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---Logopened Wed Feb 04 00:00:44 2009
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00:00<kop>brianwillis1984 : Let's see... ifconfig -a shows the 2 interfaces, but dpkg-reconfigure ifupdown does not reconfigure them....
00:01<brianwillis1984>on the desktop where it shows if u are connected it shows my two cards in it
00:02<kop>brianwillis1984 : I'm not a desktop kind of guy. There are too many varieties. The command line has stayed pretty much the same for 40 years.
00:02<brianwillis1984>ok let me go down there and see
00:02<kop>brianwillis1984 : hang on.
00:03<kop>brianwillis1984 : I suppose it's possible that your kernel is not detecting them. I thought you said above that "ifconfig -a" shows the 2 interfaces. Right?
00:04<kop>brianwillis1984 : let me try this here.
00:05<kop>brianwillis1984 : I must be wrong about ifupdown. Let's look at to find the right package to reconfigure.
00:05<brianwillis1984>i ran down there to double check and i see
00:05<brianwillis1984>eth0 eth1 and lo
00:07<kop>brianwillis1984 : We can give up on the questions and you can use as a guide to what goes in /etc/network/interfaces.
00:08<kop>brianwillis1984 : will need to use an editor. I've no clue what's installed, probably something like pico or nano. It will have a cheat sheet at the bottom of the screen to tell you what keys to press to do different things.
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00:09<kop>brianwillis1984 : When done, do "ifup eth0" to bring up eth0. ifconfig -a should then show you with an IP. The simplest interfaces file is like 2 lines, for a dhcp config.
00:10<kop>brianwillis1984 : I like emacs, you could say "emacs /etc/network/interfaces", but you'd have to remember to hold down the control key and press the 'c' key when done. And, you probably don't have emacs installed.
00:10<brianwillis1984>i dont really think so cause i dont even know what "emacs" lol
00:12<kop>brianwillis1984 : There's 2 editors that are "real" emacs and vi. There's a traditional war between the factions. The only advantage I see in vi is that it's always installed. You may decide differently.
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00:14<kop>brianwillis1984 : If you still have a problem, then you may need a newer kernel with support for your chipset. The sane thing to do would probably be to install lenny. It's testing now but should go stable "real soon now", supposedly within the month.
00:14<brianwillis1984>thanks kop
00:15<kop>brianwillis1984 : So, give it a try. I may be gone when you return. Tired.
00:15<kop>brianwillis1984 : Lenny is 5.0
00:15<brianwillis1984>i heard
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00:35<joshua_>hey guys i'm looking for a application that would build and run programs like QBasic i'm taking a class this semester on it and rather not install windows just for it
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00:57<inet>tor in debian stabile need info
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01:10<ubuntu>hey all.
01:10<ubuntu>anyone listening?
01:11<blarson>!tell ubuntu about ask
01:11<blarson>!tell ubuntu about ubuntu
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01:13<ubuntu>i'm actually here about a grub error..
01:13<ubuntu>so that's the same w/debian right?
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01:15<ubuntu>what was that server?
01:16<ubuntu>why is it so hard to get some help in a chanel w/336 users?
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01:16<ubuntu>!tell ubuntu about ubuntu
01:17<ubuntu>you guys suck!
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01:25<sevele>ubuntu,this is debian irc channal
01:26<heffay>can someone help me figure out why i cant change my gcc environment variable
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01:27<sevele>cwe_wet, don't hyyyyyyyyyyyy
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01:35<Supaplex>stoned: did you hear what MexiNerd just called you?
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01:42<Supaplex>nemith: he's in #debian-boot too
01:43<|1|||1|>is there a way to boot the debian installer, but have it install another (custom) kernel package instead of the default?
01:43<|1|||1|>or should I be asking on #debian-boot ?
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01:45<blarson>Supaplex: He's spamming all over. nemith is working on it but server is down so he can't akill.
01:46<Supaplex>he got it :)
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01:47<weedeater>Which vim-package do I need to have syntax hilighting?
01:47<petern>just vim
01:48<weedeater>E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version 1,1 Top
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01:49<weedeater>That's what I get when I :syntax on
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01:51<|1|||1|>dpkg -S /usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax/lisp.vim
01:51<dpkg>You Fool! /usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax/lisp.vim is installed!
01:51<|1|||1|>vim-runtime: /usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax/lisp.vim
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01:52<|1|||1|>and vim depends on vim-runtime
01:52<|1|||1|>so it should work
01:52<|1|||1|>do you have /usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax/* ?
01:52<|1|||1|>or whatever vim version
01:53<weedeater>dpkg: /usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax/lisp.vim not found.
01:53<dpkg>weedeater: wish i knew
01:54<|1|||1|>i think dpkg is a bot, not a person
01:54<|1|||1|>dpkg: you know zerp dig foo bar lip 2+1 ?
01:54<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
01:55<weedeater>version 7.0.235
01:57<weedeater> ls /usr/share/vim get's me
01:57<weedeater>addons doc registry vim70 vimcurrent vimfiles vimrc vimrc.tiny
01:57<|1|||1|>ok so do you have /usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax
01:59<|1|||1|>update-alternatives --display vim
01:59<|1|||1|>it's probably pointing to vim.basic
01:59<heffay>can someone help me figure out why i cant change my gcc environment variable?
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02:00<|1|||1|>heffay - example?
02:01<heffay>when i cc=path/to/gcc-x.x cc --version replies with the wrong version
02:01<|1|||1|>weedeater - and ls /usr/bin/vim.* to see what your choices are
02:01<weedeater>It's pointing to vim tiny, how do I change it?
02:01<heffay>im trying to temporarily revert from gcc 4.3 to 4.1 to compile a driver
02:02<|1|||1|>weedeater - update-alternatives --config vim
02:03<|1|||1|>heffay - cc=path/to/gcc-x.x $cc --version
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02:04<weedeater>I get There is only 1 program which provides vim
02:04<weedeater>(/usr/bin/vim.tiny). Nothing to configure.
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02:04<|1|||1|>wwdeater - erm... apt-get install vim (--reinstall) ?
02:05<|1|||1|>heffay you set the variable cc to something, but never use it
02:05<weedeater>should I uninstall vim-tiny
02:05<|1|||1|>weedeater - no, they can live happily side-by-side
02:06<VelvetElvis>this might not be the best channel for this, but does anyone know in what directory virtualbox installs guest OSes?
02:06<|1|||1|>which is why you have the alternatives system
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02:06<heffay>does the change of variable and the command to compile the driver all have to be the same arguement?
02:06<llutz>VelvetElvis: ~./VirtualBox
02:06<weedeater>so just like this
02:06<heffay>ive been doing one, then the other
02:06<weedeater> apt-get install vim (--reinstall) ?
02:06<VelvetElvis>great, thansk
02:06<llutz>VelvetElvis: ~/.VirtualBox
02:06<petern>just "apt-get install vim"
02:06<petern>you'll get a vim.basic then
02:07<|1|||1|>heffay - if you run it in 1 line, the variable expires when the process completes. if you want it to last, run cc==/whatever once, then from then on us $cc
02:07<petern>or vim-full if you want a bloated one
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02:07<|1|||1|>cc=, not cc==
02:07<heffay>cc=path/to to change the variable
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02:07<heffay>then $cc whatever
02:08<weedeater>That did it thanks guys.
02:08<|1|||1|>yes, its just a shell variable
02:08<heffay>ok ill try that, thanks!
02:08<heffay>brb lets see if it works
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02:10<jm_>wow he's still trying to compile nvidia driver after 24h, so much for not following the wiki and doing it the debian way
02:12<weedeater>petern: I had just done vim full a few minutes before comming here for help, this was weird
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02:14<weedeater>The box I was trying to get this working on has no gui, would that have anything to do with it?
02:14<|1|||1|>weedeater - no.
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02:17<heffay>didnt work =(
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02:18<|1|||1|>heffay - paste your work in a pastebin and send a link here
02:18<heffay>im just trying to run the nvidia driver installer
02:18<Supaplex>!nickometer |1|||1|
02:18<dpkg>'|1|||1|' is 99.870% lame, supaplex
02:19<heffay>when i $cc cc --version it replies with the correct version now
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02:20<heffay>but when i $cc sh Nvidiadriver it doesnt work
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02:21<|1|||1|>!nickometer Supaplex
02:21<dpkg>'Supaplex' is 0.000% lame, |1|||1|
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02:23<Supaplex>I get lazy getting tab complete to answer your nick, so sometimes I generally avoid comment.
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02:23*Supaplex pats dpkg
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02:25<And1>Hey folks, how can define in which language date's output is?
02:25<jm_>info libc -> Locales
02:26<heffay>what am i doing wrong?
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02:27<brianwillis1984>is gsimmons still here
02:27<And1>jm_: I'm having two programs here, one prints date in german, the other prints it in english, so it's not a locale-thing, or am I wrong?
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02:27<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: No.
02:28<gsimmons>brianwillis1984: Uh, just ask your question. To the channel, preferably.
02:28<brianwillis1984>lol i got my server online i just have one more question how can i get all of the updates and everything from synaptic package manager
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02:29<jm_>And1: which programs are they?
02:29<And1>jm_: xmobar and conky.
02:30<jm_>And1: how do you know they are run with the same environment? in any case, a tool can change its locale using libc API-s, and if it doesn't honour user's choice or gives you an option to configure it, well it's less than ideal
02:31<brianwillis1984>can anyone help me figure how i can get the packages off of synaptic package manager..cant figure out how to get the new ones off the net..or to even see the new ones
02:31<jm_>brianwillis1984: read apt howto and newbie docs
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02:33<And1>jm_: Ok, understood that, thanks.
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02:37<heffay>i still cant seem to get this environmental variable to change. can someone lend me a hand?
02:38<jm_>And1: try running both from a terminal with your own variables set
02:39<brianwillis1984>jm_: thank u
02:40<jm_>brianwillis1984: in short, it's apt update followed by apt upgrade (where apt is your tool that you use, like apt-get, aptitude or synaptic)
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02:41<brianwillis1984>well i did this in my term. apt-get update and then apt-get dis-upgrade
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02:42<brianwillis1984>jm_: what is the irc program for debian is it xchat
02:42<jm_>brianwillis1984: debian has many irc clients available
02:42<brianwillis1984>cause right now im chatting on the web with mibbit
02:42<jm_>xchat is among them and is a gui based one
02:43<VelvetElvis>not dis-upgrade
02:43<weedeater>brianwillis1984: I'm using irssi
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02:43<blarson>I use irssi
02:43<brianwillis1984>jm_: what is aircrack?
02:44<jm_>brianwillis1984: don't use di-upgrade for regular upgrades, use upgrade (or in case of aptitude it's safe-upgrade)
02:44<jm_>brianwillis1984: I don't know, is it a package?
02:44<brianwillis1984>im guessing
02:44<VelvetElvis>xchat or konversation are probobly the easiest to use. I use konversation because I'm lame.
02:44<brianwillis1984>i just type irc in the synaptic manger and that came up
02:44<VelvetElvis>i lost my irssi config and it was too much hassle to redo it
02:45<weedeater>Description: wireless WEP/WPA cracking utilities (transitional package) aircrack is an 802.11a/b/g WEP/WPA cracking program that can recover a 40-bit, 104-bit, 256-bit or 512-bit WEP key once enough encrypted packets have been gathered. Also it can attack WPA1/2 networks with some advanced methods or simply by brute force.
02:46<jm_>ahh it's no longer in lenny or newer
02:46<jm_>you should be able to read package descriptions in synaptic
02:47<sevele>is there anyone participate the Mathematical Modeling competition in America
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02:48<weedeater>Was that ^^ too many lines?
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02:53<enwe>minta tolong,,
02:53<heffay>how do i compile my nvidia driver with a different gcc version?
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02:57<jm_>heffay: by setting CC to the relevant version
02:57<jm_>as is explained by the README that comes with nvidia driver
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02:58<heffay>thats what im trying to do
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02:59<heffay>the driver didnt come with a readme either
02:59<jm_>the readme cn always be found on their web page
03:00<jm_>and it's installed in /usr/*/share/doc
03:01<heffay>this isnt helping me. gcc IS set to the correct version
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03:08<heffay>no such doc in /usr/share/doc either
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03:29<And1>Anyone knows how to fix such line-drawing problems (terminal urxvt):
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03:30<jm_>And1: it's interesting how right side looks OK, it should be the same character
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03:31<And1>jm_: Also, when I alt-tab through my opened windows, there are more or less line-characters missing. Very strange.
03:32<jm_>And1: sounds like rendering issues or somesuch
03:32<And1>This happen also in 'tree --charset utf-8' and in finch.
03:32<jm_>ahh utf-8, maybe it's not the same character there
03:33<And1>In e.g. xterm it works. Also aterm.
03:33<jm_>yeah probably best to submit a bug/contact the author/try newer version if there is one
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03:34<jm_>I never noticed such issues in urxvt, but I don't use it very much
03:34<And1>It's urxvt 9.05-1, but I'm experiencing the problem also in 9.06... I already asked in #rxvt-unicode, they also had no clue. :/
03:34<jm_>I mean I do start > 30 instances on daily basis, but I quit them shortly
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03:38<And1>Ah, I think the problem is "URxvt*depth: 32" in my Xdefaults.
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03:40<jm_>yeah affects xft rendering
03:40<jm_>so I was not million km-s off, good catch
03:41<And1>So if I don't use xft-fonts, I shouldn't have that problem?
03:43<jm_>try it, but I figure not
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03:46<And1>Damn, that also doesn't fix it. :/
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03:46<JDP>And1: What is that?
03:47<And1>JDP: Using xfontsel-style-fonts instead of xft-fonts doesn't fix my missing line-drawing characters.
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03:50<JDP>And1: I mean how are you makinig that image?
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03:51<And1>JDP: That's ncmpcpp's clock-screen.
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03:51<And1>The same as in ncmpc, I suppose.
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03:55<JDP>And1: Oh, never used it I use moc
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04:15<TMcTrain>hi there
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04:16<TMcTrain>how can I set a new hostname to a debian system?
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04:17<TMcTrain>original hostname is TEST02 and I wan't to change it to TEST01
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04:17<brianwillis>does anyone know how to get shoutcast of debian
04:17<Supaplex>TMcTrain: man hostname, fix /etc/hosts /etc/hostname /etc/mailname and possibly DNS
04:18<Supaplex>eg, /etc/hosts too
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04:18<TMcTrain>i tried hostname TEST01 this works only till next reboot
04:18<llutz>TMcTrain: man hostname tells you why
04:19<Supaplex>brianwillis: a fruit smoothie of a dsl? ... that makes no sense because neither does your question.
04:20<brianwillis>ok let me resay that how can i broadcast a internet radio station with debian..with windows i used what was called "shoutcast dnas"
04:20<TMcTrain>man hostname ... retreives the name of the actual host or set it to new value ... (bad translation but thats the point, nothing more)
04:20<marga>TMcTrain: /etc/hostname
04:21<Supaplex>TMcTrain: did you not read everything I suggested? they all apply.
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04:21<marga>Yeah, the others Supaplex mentioned, too.
04:22<Supaplex>even /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf depending on various factors. (mail servers can get grumpy when one thing is off key)
04:23<jm_>brianwillis: search for shoutcast, several options in Debian
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04:24<TMcTrain>I did an: find / -nowarn -type f -exec grep -s -H 'TEST02' {} \; but /etc/hostname didn't come up!
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04:24<TMcTrain>strange thing, thank you marga
04:24<brianwillis>i tried that and downloaded something like sc_trans? and well i have no clue how to use it like i said before i used windows and well i started that and then turn winamp on and there u go i was broadcasting
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04:26<TMcTrain>it worked!!! thanks a lot
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04:30<brianwillis>jm_: see i would have to download the bottom one right
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04:31<Supaplex>brianwillis: streaming comes to mind.
04:31<Supaplex>!tell brianwillis -about search
04:32<brianwillis>supaplex: i have been searching just dumb found
04:33<Supaplex>slimp3 - MPEG Layer III Streaming Server
04:33<Supaplex>slimserver - Streaming Audio Server
04:33<Supaplex>that's 2 of some 100 packages found with apt-cache search streaming on etch.
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04:34<brianwillis>ok i understand....but i have listeners that use shoutcast...will that work for trying to sound rude or anything
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04:34<jm_>brianwillis: no, you should use tools packaged by Debian
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04:35<brianwillis>okay thank u jm_
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04:46<TMcTrain>is that a thing from debian, I may remember that under rh the hostname command sets the hostname not only temporary?
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04:48<petemc>TMcTrain: you need to edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
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04:51<TMcTrain>thanks petemc , thats what I was told to do and it workes, thanks again! I was just curious if this is a debian thing only or if this is linux standard and I haven't recogniced it before?
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05:03<brianwillis>i figured it out what was once shoutcast on windows is icecast on linux ok
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05:07<JDP>Is there an overflow room for /exec commands and such?
05:07<petemc> /join #JDPs_overflow_room
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05:17<smash>any idea why 'update-manager' even notices about updates of packages that are on hold?
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05:17<smash>although the appropriate checkbox for the packages in questions is not tagged - the gnome panel icon will still turn orange and will notify about updates
05:18<smash>imho thats a bug
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05:33<Dargor>Hey guys, ive been learning about pipstatus, exit codes. Can anyone help me with this. how can i assign a variable like var=`bogus_command | echo face`, and get the exit status of bogus_command.
05:35<avu>Dargor, in the shell, the exit code of the previously run program is always in $?
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05:35<avu>Dargor, (`` captures the program's output, not its exit code)
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05:37<Dargor>yea, i get the exit status of bogus by ... bogus | echo face, echo ${PIPESTATUS[0]}, ... but i want to assign a variable
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05:37<avu>well, you can do var=$othervar ..
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06:15<wozza>hello, how do I recommend a package for debian universe?
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06:16<jm_>for what?
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06:17<dpkg>rumour has it, rfp is a Request For Package; see, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: "
06:17<avu>or, if you want to package it yourself
06:17<dpkg>[itp] Intent To Package, or a bug which is filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package which indicates that someone is working on packaging a piece of software for debian. This is done to avoid the duplication of work.
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06:19<jlj>is there a way to list installed packages according to size?
06:20<jlj>could you tell me how?
06:20<petemc>dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n
06:20<jm_>!compare size
06:20<dpkg>my cpu fan is bigger than jm_'s
06:20<jm_>!sort by size
06:20<dpkg>hmm... sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package)
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07:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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07:10<bizoru>hello everybody
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07:11<bizoru>i have a problem with my xorg.conf
07:11<bizoru>somebody could help me
07:11<padski>in iceweasel on lenny, in the downloads window, when I right click and choose "Open in containing folder" I get a lauch application dialog, on KDE.
07:12<padski>bizoru, best to just ask
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07:14<bizoru>i have a libretto toshiba laptop
07:14<bizoru>but i have tried configure a good resolution to it
07:15<bizoru>but i cant
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07:15<bizoru>because i dont know why it is reading the same configuration of 800 x 600
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07:15<bizoru>there is some line just like : virtual 1280 600
07:16<bizoru>it show me the same screen of 800 x 600 and I can move the entire resolution with my mouse
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07:17<padski>bizoru, yes, that is virtual desktop resolution. does your display have a higher native resolution ?
07:17<bizoru>yes off course
07:18<bizoru>im gonna show you my xorg.conf
07:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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07:20<bizoru>could you tell me
07:20<bizoru>the web to paste
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07:20<petemc>read up
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07:21<bizoru>im using xchat and it cleared the last post
07:21<bizoru>and i can see it
07:22<petemc>you could also use google to find them yourself
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07:22<padski>bizoru, and adjust settings > preferences > scrollback lines
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07:23<snowhite>hej jag har en fråga om min mailklient program EVOLUTION som har ändrats??Jag kan inte längre trycka direkt på en text i ett mail utan måste klistra och klippa...Någon som vet varför???
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07:24<petemc>snowhite: english here
07:24<dpkg>well, se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (
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07:26<snowhite>hi I wonder what has happend with my mailclient programme,because I need to clipp webbadress from mail and start a new site...???Before that I could directly come on the webb sites from mailprogramm I use EVOLUTION ...None who knows what has happend?
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07:27<bizoru>it is my xorg.conf
07:28<bizoru>i own a toshiba libretto L1 laptop
07:28<snowhite>Anyone here who knows the problem I describe here?
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07:29<bizoru>heyy people
07:29<bizoru>anyone could help me
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07:30<bizoru>this is my xorg.conf
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07:30<bizoru>i would like a to have a widescreen resolution on my toshiba libretto L1
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07:34<Ancho>bizoru: have you changed resolution of your window manager as well?
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07:36<bizoru>I have been trying to do so, actually I am using xfce4
07:37<bizoru>but it doesnt show me in th elist of the avaliable resolution the one that i need
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07:46<Ancho>bizoru: i found this website with a difference with your ModeLine setting. maybe this could help
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07:53<_mo_>hi, i have a question regarding debian packaging: what is the best way to have a config file created / a template completed with values from debconf? I could build some replacement thing with sed or perl but i wondered if there is no standard way / tool in debian?!
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07:54<Zathras>hi. How can I see who last accessed a file on ext3 ?
07:54<Zathras>with stat I can see the atime but not the actual user, right?
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07:56<jm_>Zathras: correct
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07:57<Zathras>issue is that my backup verify job claims that thousands of files are new due to a changed atime. Only thing that changed afaik is that one user installed Google Desktop Index/Search on his XP box. But for instance /etc/ is not shared over samba but is still reported as being changed
07:58<Zathras>so every night I get a mail size 18mb with warnings that are bogus
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08:04<padski>Zathras, perhaps you could log this kind of info with the linux equivalent of dtrace
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08:05<Zathras>padski, what is dtrace?
08:05<Zathras>something like strace?
08:05<padski>Zathras, what is google for ?
08:06<Zathras>I will look ;-)
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08:07<padski>Zathras, there might be a simpler way, but that is one shape of hammer that comes to mind.
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08:07<jm_>but why would backup rely on atime?
08:08<padski>jm_, or claim that a file is new because the atime is changed ?
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08:08<jm_>padski: yeah
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08:11<dpkg>well, irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: See also
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08:11<Zathras>padski, systemtap is probably the thing I need then
08:12<padski>Zathras, I think jm_ had a very good point that is worth looking at first
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08:13<padski>Zathras, but yes, last I looked it was systemtap. looked kinda dangerous :-)
08:13<Zathras>I know. But I do not get feedback on verify jobs on the mailinglist for bacula for some reason
08:14<Zathras>systemtap will also only run with custom kernels as it requires kernel debug info
08:15<Zathras>it seems for some reason not very popular to run verify jobs and hence there is not much info on them :-(
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08:15<Zathras>the verify options can also be used as some kind of tripwire but I just want to verify that was is written to tape is written correctly
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08:16<And1>Is it possible to disable mousewheelscrolling in urxvt?
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08:17<Zathras>systemtap is not a true port. Someone is working on it though:
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08:32<Woetermelon>How to match specific packet lengths with iptables?
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08:33<Woet>man says '--length', but iptables says unknown argument
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08:34<jm_>it's in module length
08:35<Woet>and how to enable that module?
08:35<Woet>oh, worked
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08:41<Henk2>hm schiet niet op zo
08:41<inet>hi.How to install anon-proxy (00.02.39-8.2).deb in debian 4r4 and how include it in iptables rules
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08:51<inet>QUERY inet
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08:53<romanivanoff>ÎÁ òÕÓÓËÏÍ ËÔÏ ÎÉÂÕÄØ ÛÁÒÉÔ?
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09:08<padski>Is it a conincidence that #473818 was filed on April the 1st ?
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09:26<deavid>hi people
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09:27<deavid>i'm trying to setting up a little debian mirror for my office... but I nver wondered how big it is :-S
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09:28<deavid>i've downloaded 50Gb, and it seems to be at 40% (but no idea);
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09:35<ranix>I am running exim4-daemon-heavy and one of my guys has a cell phone that does not have TLS support. It simply cannot use it. I need to make Exim4 allow SSL connections rather than just TLS, but I can find no information about this in spec.txt or on the internet! WTF? Can anyone help?
09:35<padski>deavid, pretty big. there are specific progs for this. apt-proxy comes to mind
09:35<padski>ranix, on 465 ?
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09:35<ranix>padski: I don't care what port
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09:37<marton>hi how can i refresh the package sources?
09:37<padski>ranix, I bet google does
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09:37<ranix>padski: google does what
09:38<marton>pls helpme
09:38<padski>ranix, google cares ;-)
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09:40<ranix>padski: you aren't helping or even making sense
09:41<padski>ranix, if I understand what you are trying to do, then it is smtp over ssl (as opposed to TLS) and is assigned port 465. that tiny snippet of info is all the help I have to offer, but I hope it helps you in your search.
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09:42<deavid>padski, Ancho: i was wrong when i calcualted the aprox size of i386 + amd64 + binary (I saw the estimated mirror sizes before); but now i finally excluded the sources... but, there's no way to download only Lenny or only SId, right?
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09:43<padski>ranix, and perhaps #265818
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09:44<padski>deavid, dunno. do you really need a full mirror ? what is the advantage for you over the caching proxy ?
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09:45<deavid>padski: put it in a USB HD Drive, and you've internet "in one disk" haha
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09:46<padski>deavid, if you need to take it off the net then that is a good reason. testing and unstable change pretty quickly.
09:47<deavid>padski: you can plug it in a place where you don't have internet at all... or in a machine without network
09:47<deavid>I've 9 computers with debian Lenny/Sid there
09:48<deavid>and we install new servers frequently
09:48<deavid>and a friend wants to install KDE4 in their home... without internet :-P
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09:49<deavid>I think that syncing once per week will be sufficient for us
09:49<padski>deavid, I live in london. internet is inescapable here :-)
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09:50<deavid>padski: I have one friend living in Birmingham, and her internet is slower than a 56k modem :-P
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10:30<enouf>ranix: you have exim4-doc pkgs installed? seen file:///usr/share/doc/exim4-doc-html/html/FAQ-html/FAQ.html#TOC324 ?
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10:32<ranix>enouf: don't have it, but I'll file that for later digestion
10:32<ranix>enouf: I wound up just disabling the TLS requirement for that user for now
10:32<enouf>ranix: not that it's a direct answer
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10:33<ranix>so it works and everyone thinks I did something right when I actually did everything wrong
10:33<enouf>but - i ran this; ~$ rgrep -il smtp /usr/share/doc/exim4* | xargs grep -l SSL
10:33<petemc>you can recompile the exim package to use openssl
10:33<ranix>enouf: I found some information about stunnel and needing to establish an ssl connection, not simply negotiate as in with starttls
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10:33<enouf>ranix: give the user root privs for bonus points
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10:33<enouf>i see - i don't even do email :-p
10:34<ranix>it's not terrible when you have time to read documentation, but it's obnoxious when the boss is breathing down your neck
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10:36<enouf>ranix: i've found though, when i can't find answers quickly and easily (as in your initial post here), that i most likely am making presumptions about certain things i shouldn't - like perhaps how TLS/SSL interact, or how they're more related than one would think, etc etc
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10:36<petemc>you wouldnt want to be making too many assumptions about ssl/tls
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10:37<enouf>ranix: for example; ~$ grep smtp /etc/services mentions nothing about TLS, only SSL - yet reading the exim4-doc hits, you see quickly how that port returned (465) is used/described for both
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10:42<s4br3>Hi, I cannot get package kdenlive to run on my Sid installation. The package icon starts to bounce but never takes off. What could be wrong? Any missing packages?
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10:48<s_i_m>s4br3, how do you install it?
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10:50<themill>judd depends kdenlive
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10:50<themill>fail :(
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10:51<themill>I've used the dmm packages for kdenlive before and they worked fine though. Try running it from a terminal to get some debugging output.
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10:58<klando>is there any debian tools for upgrading xen-hypervisor from 3.0 to 3.2 ? (checking networing and all things)
10:59<klando>perhaps the 3.2 package take care of that ?
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11:07<s4br3>s_i_m, I installed kdenlive with "aptitude -t experimental install kdenlive"
11:09<chealer>s4br3: kdenlive is not in Debian.
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11:13<EmleyMoor>My session locked and I entered my password but it is taking much longer than normal to check. How can I resolve this?
11:14<EmleyMoor>Resolved itself
11:16<s4br3>chealer, thanks! I have a few other sources but forgot that kdenlive was taken from there.
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11:16<s4br3>Thanks for the reminder! Gotta reboot to install my new cable modem, which arrived today
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11:22<Woet>How to get the name/brand of an harddisk>?
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11:23<binarymutant>Woet, look at it?
11:23<Woet>binarymutant: when the server is 4000 miles away
11:23<Woet>and using SSH.
11:24<koollman>Woet: hdparm -I , or similar tools
11:24<koollman>smartmontools is good for that kind of thing too
11:24<Woet> HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid argument
11:24<Woet>and smartmontools doesn't give anything useful either
11:24<koollman>oh, that's an old hdparm ...
11:24<Woet>it's the latest from apt-get
11:24<koollman>yes. old ;)
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11:25<koollman>but, anyway, what's the output of smartctl -i -d ata /dev/sda ?
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11:26<dkr>Woet: hwinfo --disk
11:26<koollman>oh, right, that too. lot of tools for that job
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11:46<valdyn>Woet: sda3 is just not a harddisk
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11:48<enouf>~$ dmesg | grep WD
11:48<enouf>[ 11.260200] hdd: WDC AC29100D, ATA DISK drive
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11:48<valdyn>or ls /dev/disk/by-id/
11:49<enouf>or .. udevinfo :-)
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11:49<enouf>or .. lshw
11:49<valdyn>anything that does not yield the disk brand and type?
11:50<enouf>valdyn: it's all over the place - want to hear funny? my vm.swappiness is set to like 10, so it hardly gets hit, but when it does it's always 4K or so at first of the exact same data each time
11:50<enouf>valdyn: all udevinfo about disks and partitions only
11:51<valdyn>ahaha, nice one
11:51<enouf>valdyn: yes, i've dd'd (zeroed it out, then mkswap ...) over it
11:51<valdyn>i knew that the same stuff gets swapped first on a system,but not what it is
11:51<enouf>valdyn: it's NSA scary .. sheesh
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11:52*enouf is curious and uses strings/hexdump/xxd a lot :-P
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11:54<koollman>enouf: 'each time' is separated by reboots ? else, why would that page goes on the swap twice with no changes ?
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11:54<lintian>hi, i downloaded a file.tar.bz2, with which program can i open this ? thanks !
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11:54<valdyn>koollman: its stuff that never leaves swap after a boot, once its there
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11:54<koollman>(I suppose the first thing to be paged would be some 'dead variables' part of init. oldest pages first
11:55<leonardo_>Hi all I'm using debian Lenny 64 and installed Google Earth 5, but fonts are ver small. I posted the problem here:
11:55<leonardo_>tried dunno suggestion but nothing
11:55<valdyn>koollman: stuff that could be that is before udev stuff yes
11:55<leonardo_>anyone has idea how to fix the problem?
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11:55<enouf>koollman: erm, doesn't matter - though i usually swapoff -a ; mkswap /dev/hdd2 ; swapon -a (and occassionally dd if=/dev/zero it just prior to mkswap - without rebooting
11:55<dr|z3d>leonardo_: You'd need to tweak the custom install of Wine, give it a larger DPI for windows fonts.
11:56<koollman>enouf: hmm. I see. you like to torture your swap ;)
11:56<enouf>koollman: ;-) it's my own form of 'swap shred' :-P
11:56<leonardo_><dr|z3d> how to do this?
11:56<koollman>enouf: it's strange. I think I know at least 5 or so persons that like swapoff/swapon
11:56<valdyn>koollman: SWAPSPACE2SWAPSPACE2 \
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11:57<enouf>that's the mkswap sig
11:57<dr|z3d>leonardo_: Nfi. All I know is that most google apps install a custom Wine install, one per app. And Wine itself supports changing the display font DPI. The rest is up to you :)
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11:57<fxiny>lintian: you want bzip2 , tar xvf file.tar.bz2 , or in a lazy day just unp file.tar.bz2
11:58<leonardo_>ok, thanks
11:58<RimFrost>hello everyone. i use Debian Lenny DI RC2 amd64 and when i try to update through the updater in the panel 2 rong messages comes up? First one here: and the second one here: What is rong?
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11:58<lintian>fxiny i tried tar jxvf but then i get : bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
11:58<valdyn>RimFrost: you can read the error message?
11:58<fxiny>lintian: is bzip2 installed ?
11:59<RimFrost>yes i have read it yes
11:59<valdyn>RimFrost: so?
11:59<fxiny>lintian: j win pack it
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11:59<lintian>fxiny, installing it now, i thought i tried it before, but i guess i didnt :) thanks
11:59<fxiny>lintian: apt-cache show unp
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12:00<RimFrost>well, it seem to have problems with the update?
12:00<enouf>koollman: for some insane reason (and being an old remanufactured disk might have something to do with it - plus the fact that it's an 8.4GiB/9.114GB disk - which is right on that ATA edge of CHS/LBA as you know) .. but .. i think many it's the cause of many apps crashing that sometimes do not, when there's plenty of free RAM
12:00<valdyn>RimFrost: or you seem to have had problems making a proper sources.list
12:00<RimFrost>if you look at my pastebin links
12:00<enouf>s/many/many times
12:01<koollman>enouf: I would attribute that to ram errors, first. disk errors/bugs are usually not that random, and kernel is pretty verbose when it happens
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12:01<koollman>but, for a disk so old ... could be :)
12:01<enouf>IOW - i'm thinking the swap is somehow getting corrupted (or misused or whatever) ... sigh ... Do you know Konqueror will start to load and immediately crash when i have over 80MB free - and swap is off? I turn on swap and it doesn't - and it doesn't hit swap either .. sigh
12:02<koollman>that's bad design.
12:02<koollman>a different thing
12:02<petemc>enouf: throw away that old pos compute4r
12:02<enouf>koollman: all 3 issues == fail :-)
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12:02<enouf>combined (i meant)
12:02<koollman>enouf: konqueror (and firefox) tries some stupid tricks to know 'how much free ram is there'. then use that as a variable for internal gc
12:02<enouf>wonderful ... ugh
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12:07<fxiny>enouf: is it your deschutes petemc wants you to send it to me ? ;)
12:08<enouf>fxiny: haha .. you'll NEVER get my betsy! :-P
12:08<fxiny>petemc: do not mess with the deschutes mafia :P
12:08<fxiny>enouf: ;)))
12:08<RimFrost>well this are the source list i have:
12:09<petemc>whos das dogs dead?
12:09<enouf>btw - i also have newer hitachi 80GB disks in the box + other stuffs (like new 600w PSU, etc)
12:09<fxiny>dead ? is alive and kicking
12:09<petemc>yer das dog?
12:10*enouf sends petemc to
12:10<fxiny>ten years running with my pleasure
12:10<enouf>das hound des los!
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12:10<enouf>(really munged up that spelling - heh)
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12:11<petemc>it makes a bit more sense if you say it with a norn iron accent
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12:13<fxiny>like : ze dezutes rulez ?
12:13<fxiny>enouf: :)
12:15<jthomas>I've got a head scrather, or maybe its just a dead-simple 'no' answer. We have an SFTP server. We want one group to have RW permissions on a folder, but another group to only have R permissions, and world permissions have nothing. Is there anything on a *nix box/permissions that would somehow allow two different group permissions?? (in actuality its Cygwin, but the question is valid for any *nix perms i think)
12:16<weasel>not in classic unix things.
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12:16<weasel>you could play with ACLs tho
12:16<Lenhix>Perhaps if that SFTP server supports ACLs you could get what you want
12:16<weasel>(on the filesystem)
12:16<weasel>but they are not very widely used
12:16<ranix>iirc you can slink the folder and set permissions on the simlink
12:16<ranix>that will get confusing if you do it too often
12:16<valdyn>jthomas: bind mounts can provide this
12:17<ranix>but it's okay for just one or two folders
12:17<enouf>no, symlinks are always 777
12:17<weasel>valdyn: how.
12:17<weasel>ranix: how.
12:17<jthomas>really? i thought symlinks were always 777 and they really just referred to the folder's permissions to take control
12:17<ranix>weasel: sorry, incorrect information
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12:18<weasel>jthomas: install the acl package
12:18<enouf>google setfacl getfacl etc
12:18<weasel>but be aware that most backup tools will not back up your ACLs.
12:18<ranix>that would blow
12:18<jthomas>hmm ok thanks for the pointers!
12:18<valdyn>weasel: not directly, just if you hack the client to provide one mount to one group of people and the other to the other group
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12:18<valdyn>weasel: or server, or login script
12:19<weasel>jthomas: the general opinion (and I share this) is that if you need something like this you're probably doing something wrong :)
12:19<ranix>Why not serve the folder via http insteaf of ftp to the people who cannot edit it
12:19<weasel>valdyn: yeah, you could make a directory in the path restricted, and then mount the stuff under it world readable and group-writeable for the correct group
12:20<jthomas>weasel how would you recommend it then, that the SFTP login allows one group 'corp' to have RW on everything in that SFTP login area, but other groups only have R in their respective folders and not R in other folders?
12:20<weasel>valdyn: (and have a second place there the write-able group gets to it. but ewwww.)
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12:20<dima>good evening
12:21<weasel>jthomas: I think SFTP is probably the wrong protocol to begin with.
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12:21<valdyn>jthomas: its not hard to set up acl support for this, but acl are admin nightmare
12:21<ranix>why is it sftp
12:21<jthomas>weasel the client needs a way to securely upload and download files, how would you say to change this then?
12:21<valdyn>jthomas: why cant this stuff be world-readable?
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12:21<weasel>over a vpn?
12:21<ranix>why is samba better than sftp
12:21<carlos>hola a todos
12:21<weasel>they probably are windows persons, right?
12:21<ranix>hola carlos
12:22<ranix>sftp is far better over the WAN than samba
12:22<Daemonz>I was wondering what software i can use for vm. I want to run windows in a vm environment (compatible windows 7) and using least amount of resources
12:22<weasel>ranix: because it supports the things you want in the daemon.
12:22<ranix>samba is Doing It Wrong
12:22<jthomas>yep so i have no idea why there is even SFTP involved, don''t ask me, but this is how they wanted. And they insisted SFTP.
12:22<ranix>over WAN
12:22<weasel>fortunately not my problem :)
12:22<ranix>jthomas: is it lan, wan
12:22<ranix>what what
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12:22<ranix>therefore, SFTP
12:22<ranix>nothing wrong about that
12:23<carlos>soy nuevo aqui, de hecho me pase de suse a debian hace poco
12:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:23<valdyn>jthomas: why cant this rw "group" not be a single user?
12:23<Daemonz>hola el espaniol
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12:23<weasel>and why can it not simply be world readable?
12:23<jthomas>valdyn no idea, they all wanted their own logins and passwords.
12:24<valdyn>jthomas: thats a user interface thing
12:24<ranix>when presented with unreasonable demands I do it correctly and tell them "this is how it works"
12:24<ranix>works 100% of the time so far
12:24<valdyn>jthomas: that has nothing to do with your implementation
12:24<jthomas>because the 'corp' group is one company, and all the other groups are somewhat competing client companies
12:24<ranix>make the rw 'group' a user
12:24<weasel>jthomas: then make a directory bla/corp that is group accessible for corp.
12:24<ranix>and have everyone who needs to rw use the same user
12:25<weasel>jthomas: and in that directory make the stuff that is writeable by foogroup and readable by everyone
12:25<valdyn>jthomas: you can give one group access to an upload tool
12:25<weasel>jthomas: then foogroup can write in that directory and everyone in corp can read it
12:25<weasel>that requires everyone in foogroup to be in corp
12:25<valdyn>jthomas: and you can make the directory simple group readonly
12:25<jthomas>ranix, if only... the Windows guy who keeps coming up with this stuff is just astounded that "Well Windows can do it this way" and its like, well Windows cannot do the SFTP that you required...
12:25<weasel>you can do ACLs
12:25<weasel>they will be painful
12:25<weasel>you will hurt yourself
12:25<weasel>but you can use them.
12:26<valdyn>jthomas: linux does ACLs just fine, but ACLs are a fuckup on windows just as they are on linux
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12:26<ranix>jthomas: I went through almost the same thing, but convincing someone that an old Novell server needed to be upgraded to Debian. I ignored unreasobable demands, obeyed reasonable ones, and came up with something close to what he wanted but more correct than he asked for, and he was VERY pleased with the result.
12:27<valdyn>jthomas: give group1 read access, make all users members of group1, give only members of group2 accesss to an upload tool/script
12:27<ranix>jthomas: instead of focusing on the "this is impossible" elements, just do it the right way and submit it for approval. You'll be surprised by the result
12:27<ranix>there are at least 10 ways to do it the right way
12:27<jthomas>yep. I am happy with what it is currently, which is basically rw for the client groups. they can live with that.
12:28<weasel>jthomas: let's step back again.
12:28<ranix>jthomas: disallow ftp for the client groups and make http read access or something
12:28<weasel>jthomas: and tell us what you need.
12:28<weasel>jthomas: which groups should be allowed to read? and which group should be allowed to write?
12:28<ranix>unix geeks love our permissions arguments
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12:31<jthomas>i need: on Windows; SFTP server with: 7 client groups, each with multiple user accounts with their own login user/pass for each account Say 'user1' 'user2' etc, as part of 'group1'. Then one overriding Corp group with individual members with own user/pass; these members are part of 'Corp' group but also listed in each of the client groups, for read access. So when user1:client1 logs in with SFTP, they are restricted to that folder /home/SFTP/
12:31<jthomas>client1/ and have rw on that folder, but only r on history/ subfolder. Anyone in Corp needs RW in all folders including history/ subfolders.
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12:32<koollman>jthomas: you want something a bit more complex than unix permissions
12:32<koollman>like, posix acl
12:32<valdyn>koollman: scroll up
12:32<weasel>jthomas: and why not simply add every one in corp to all the individual groups?
12:32<jthomas>lol yep so i heard
12:32<jthomas>weasel I have done so.
12:32<weasel>it's not like you have many
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12:32<weasel>jthomas: great. so what is the problem with that?
12:33<koollman>oh, cygwin ? damn.
12:33<jthomas>but, the client1 group cannot have write access to history/ but only read access. 'Corp' group needs rw tho to history/ folders.
12:33<weasel>jthomas: chgrp it to corp
12:33<weasel>jthomas: and make it world readable.
12:33<jthomas>competing client companies, cannot be world readable
12:33<weasel>(not that that protects you from group1 moving history away, if it is under group1)
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12:34<weasel>if history is under group1 and group is not world +x then nobody not in that group can get into the directory
12:34<weasel>so it can be a+rx
12:34<jthomas>a ??
12:34<jthomas>isn't that o ?
12:34<weasel>no, all is user, group _and_ others.
12:35<jthomas>news to me :)
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12:35<weasel>option one:
12:35<weasel>rwxrwx--- grp1 /foo/group1
12:35<weasel>rwxrwxr-x corp /foo/group1/history
12:35<weasel>rwxrwx--- grp2 /foo/group2
12:35<weasel>rwxrwxr-x corp /foo/group2/history
12:35<jthomas>ok so just protct the folder above and make the contents world readable is what you;'re sayinhg
12:35<weasel>every one in corp needs to be in grp*
12:36<weasel>and you cannot protect against users in grp* just moving the history dir aside
12:36<weasel>rwxrwx--- grp1 /foo/group1
12:36<weasel>rwxr-x--- grp1 /foo/group1-history
12:36<weasel>rwxrwxr-x corp /foo/group1-history/history
12:36<weasel>is option 2
12:36<weasel>or like that:
12:37<weasel>rwxr-x--- grp1 /foo/group1
12:37<weasel>rwxrwx--- grp1 /foo/group1/data
12:37<weasel>rwxrwxr-x corp /foo/group1/history
12:38<weasel>only that the x in group probably should be s, everywhere.
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12:38<jthomas>what is s
12:38<weasel>ask google.
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12:38<jthomas>lol ok
12:38<jthomas>gg:"what is s"
12:38<weasel>google for setgid directory
12:41<jthomas>that looks like it could be of use, thanks for the tip on that. But I think how we have it currently works four _our_ client; its the Windows guy here who thinks it needs to be different but he said to just go with what it is currently (basically, RW for the client groups)
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12:52<TimFreeman>I'm running Etch and have the released Openoffice 2.0 installed. I want to install Openoffice 2.4 from etch-backports. I believe I have followed the instructions at ...
12:52<TimFreeman> When I say "aptitude -t etch-backports install", it chatters a little and says "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not ...
12:52<TimFreeman>upgraded.". The three non-upgraded packages are two kernels and flashplugin-nonfree, so they aren't relevant. What do I have to do to make it install from etch-backports?
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12:53<fxiny>TimFreeman: run aptitude update first
12:54<fxiny>i can see bpo oo installs tons of packages on my etch
12:54<TimFreeman>I see that the Etch version of is 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 and the backports version is 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1. I don't know how version numbers are ordered. Is the backports version newer?
12:55<fxiny>yes , 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1
12:55<TimFreeman>fxiny: Yeah, I ran aptitude update before, and I ran it just now at your request. It grabbed a bunch of updates from backports before, and none just now.
12:55<fxiny>TimFreeman: here : 0 packages upgraded, 49 newly installed, 0 to remove and 127 not upgraded
12:56<TimFreeman>Oh. I think I have something stupid in /etc/apt/preferences: Package: *
12:56<TimFreeman>Pin: release a=stable
12:56<TimFreeman>Pin-Priority: 1500. I'll try getting rid of that. Hold on...
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12:57<fxiny>TimFreeman: run -s : aptitude -t etch-backports -s install
12:57<TimFreeman> hilt
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12:59<TimFreeman>fxiny: If I set aside /etc/apt/preferences, then aptitude has updates to do when I say "aptitude -t etch-backports install". Problem solved, I think.
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13:05<nikee>hi. I hit repeatedly a kernel bug with ext3 on 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP. is it my own problem or of general interest?
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13:07<hahnp>nikee: you could report the bug
13:08<nikee>hahnp: well, I just wanted to ask somehwere here if it is relevant at all...
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13:09<enouf>jthomas: windows? who cares about windows? let alone it's users/admins
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13:10<fxiny>enouf: sleeves up ! ;)
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13:10<jthomas>tell me about it!
13:10<enouf>maybe you should tell them it'll cost $5000 per seat to implement what they want .. then they'll be happy - just make sure it's paid to your offshore bonus account
13:10<enouf>fxiny: :-P
13:11<enouf>jthomas: usually poking the guy in the eye is enough to shut his dumbass up
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13:17<enouf>nikee: which bug?
13:17<nikee>enouf: kernel oops when deleting a file on an ext3 2TB partition...
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13:17<fxiny>2TB ? hmmm
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13:18<enouf>nikee: raid/lvm/crypto ? (not that it really matters, but)
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13:18<enouf>nikee: what disks are they, how big is each disk (GB) ?
13:18<nikee>enouf: raid5 and not really done an fsck for a long time, I suppose. :)
13:19<nikee>enouf: 8x 300GB SATA
13:19<enouf>nikee: so - you're saying it's worked fine for long time using other kernel versions?
13:19<nikee>enouf: well 7, since it's running in degraded mode, but still...
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13:20<themill>gsimmons: nice work on all those wifi pages. Wow!
13:20<enouf>nikee: how about comparing versions of e2fsprogs (though i realize the kernel has all the relevant FS code)
13:20<nikee>enouf: yes, exactly. however it's nearline-storage for me, so some files were not touched for a long time...
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13:20<nikee>enouf: comparing with what?
13:20<enouf>nikee: are you mounting with any funky options?
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13:20<nikee>enouf: nope...
13:21<nikee>enouf: though the filesystem is at least 3 years old...
13:21<enouf>nikee: e2fsprogs - you've noticed a change/issue/oops between versions, but how about changes between e2fsprogs pkg versions (upgrades)
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13:21<enouf>s/change/issue/oops between versions/change/issue/oops between kernel versions
13:22<enouf>gah -
13:22*enouf reminds himself that sed can use almost anything as a separator
13:22<nikee>enouf: I was running 2.6.24-amd64 before, I think
13:23<enouf>s#change/issue/oops between versions#change/issue/oops between kernel versions <== better?
13:23<enouf>nikee: 2.6.24 sounds like an etchnhalf kernel which implies Etch system
13:23<enouf>is that the case?
13:24<enouf>have you upgraded to Lenny fully? or just installed a newer .26 kernel? from etch-backports? or from Lenny?
13:24<nikee>enouf: yeah, some unstable packages on top of 4.0, IIRC.
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13:24<nikee>enouf: it's a fresh install on new hardware.
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13:25<enouf>nikee: it's not fresh if your raid5 has been being used for a long time
13:25<nikee>enouf: installed 4.0 686 and changed to unstable, dist-upgrade'd and installed the 64bit kernel.
13:25<nikee>enouf: the ext3-fs is for sure not, correct.
13:25*enouf is lost in this sordid history and explanation
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13:27<tzafrir_laptop>back to my php/sqlite3 problems
13:27<tzafrir_laptop>I keep getting the php (cli) script hang
13:28<nikee>enouf: to make it short... I had this 2TB array running for a long time now and am migrating it to nexenta. therefore, I also changed some hardware.
13:28<tzafrir_laptop>It is hung on a FUTEX_WAIT
13:28<enouf>gsimmons: bravo and thanks! (if themill thinks it's good - it can't be all that bad ;-))
13:28<enouf>themill: psst .. which wifi pages?
13:28<nikee>enouf: so now the old raid5-array is running on the new hardware, along with a fresh install of debian.
13:29<enouf>themill: gracias ;-)
13:29<enouf>nikee: so, i gather / FS was never on the raid5?
13:30*nikee lol
13:30*nikee scratches his head...
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13:30*enouf thinks gsimmons possibly came from the gentoo-wiki college .. :-)
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13:31<nikee>enouf: let's settle with that I have an old ext3-partition that oopses on 2.6.26-1-amd, ok?
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13:32<enouf>nikee: no, not ok - not even close to being ok
13:32<enouf>but, let's agree to disagree ;-)
13:32*enouf has no idea what lexusnexenta is
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13:33<nikee>enouf: do I need to use special tools to gather the blood of the goat I just sacrificed? :)
13:33<gsimmons>themill: Thank you. That all began after revising the bcm43xx page. Still need to get hostap, orinoco_usb and p54(pci|usb) done.
13:34<themill>hehe. Is there a generic landing page on the wiki that we can direct people to?
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13:35<gsimmons>Ah, just "WiFi" will do, they're linked from that. It should be in dpkg's wireless factoid already.
13:35<themill>excellent :)
13:35<enouf>oh ... half caps?
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13:35*nikee dismounts some random capacitors from the motherboard. bouf!
13:36<enouf>i think i recently tried /wifi and /wireless
13:36<enouf>and/or /WIFI and /WIRELESS :-p
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13:37<themill>gsimmons: is there any merit in changing the key for "freeness" to reflect the difference (perceived or otherwise) between free driver+non-free firmware and non-free driver? I feel it's a useful distinction although I know others disagree.
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13:47<gsimmons>themill: That would be useful. Perhaps a section/column stating the driver's license, along with another yes/no/depends one regarding non-free firmware. Best to propose any suggestions on the debian-www ML.
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13:48<ProteusIq>Hello, I am looking for Blender help!
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13:48<ranix>ProteusIq: uninstall it
13:48<ProteusIq>it is working fine
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13:49<ranix>I found it easier to assemble polygons from vector coordinates than to use that bloody thing
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13:49<ranix>vertex coordinates rather
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13:52<jimmy__>ciao a tutti
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13:54<weasel>verheesj: trust me when I say that nobody cares.
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14:00<enouf>wow - flooded myself with /list .. gah .. had to quit .. otherwise likely would've been kicked :-P
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14:01<enouf>koollman: themill petemc fxiny valdyn and whomever else was following my "swapoff -a ; mkswap /dev/hdd2 ; swapon -a" here's an instance where mkswap didn't clear the file's contents at all (no reboot ofcourse)
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14:02<enouf>now i have to dd the sucker
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14:02<fxiny>enouf: run scrub
14:03<enouf>fxiny: like this? # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdd2 bs=4M
14:03<nikee>enouf: here's what dmesg says when trying to delete a file from the ext3-partition:
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14:03<weasel>why would mkswap overwrite the disk.
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14:04<fxiny>enouf: scrub fills it with a file full of patterns
14:04<enouf>weasel: i thought it would zero out the partition .. it has in the past ...
14:04<weasel>nikee: best guess is that your filesystem is broken.
14:04<weasel>enouf: no, it hasn't.
14:04<weasel>enouf: not in a long, long, long time at least
14:04<weasel>probably not ever
14:04<nikee>weasel: it sure is, I guess. however, the kernel should not oops then, should it?
14:04<enouf>hrm .. other FSs do .. mkreiserfs does, IINM
14:04<weasel>enouf: no.
14:04<enouf>grah ..
14:05<weasel>they will all just create the minimal infrastructure necessary to hold the data
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14:05<enouf>crap -- you're right weasel .. my bad - losing braincells
14:05<weasel>if you want a partition to be overwritten write crap onto it. badblocks, dd, whatever
14:05<weasel>nikee: well, probably not
14:06<enouf>for some reason, a while ago, i even argued your point to someone - then tested it, and i cou;d've swore it wiped it out
14:06<enouf>swap/mkswap stuff
14:06<enouf>fxiny: i don't want patterns, it's easier to test for 0s or .. nothing at all :-)
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14:06<fxiny>enouf: it dpesn't , i sanitized my luks system swap
14:07<fxiny>enouf: scrub is gently , it just creates a huge file
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14:07<enouf>fxiny: i'll remember that when i really need it though - thanks
14:07<alvaro>pues nada que os de por culo solo queria preguntaros que como se instala software de arquitectura 386 para 586
14:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:10<fxiny>enouf: on my small swap partition i ran badblocks : badblocks -s -w -t random -v /dev/hdb6
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14:12<enouf>fxiny: sweet ;-) just to follow up
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14:12<fxiny>enouf: sweet , do you have some 100 years ? try this : dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/ice
14:13<enouf>fxiny: haha .. i know better - hey, checkout your entropy values :-P
14:13<fxiny>enouf: heheheh : spot the 'nsa : scrub -S -p nnsa -r -X /mnt/point
14:14<enouf>ruh roh :-P
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14:15<fxiny>enouf: long ago there was a windoze encrypting app which could generate fakes encrypted files . that was even better
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14:15<enouf>fxiny: rot13 ?
14:15*enouf runs
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14:16<fxiny>the idea is giving the spy something to look into it , more fun m that's why i like scrub ;)
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14:17<jthomas>Anyone familiar with rSnapshot? My setup wants to create the whole remote tree "mnt/backups/weekly.0/" in my destination (local disk), so I get /mnt/localdrive/mnt/backups/weekly.0/ when I only want /mnt/localdrive/weekly.0/
14:18<enouf>fxiny: ~# find /proc -name '*entropy*' -type f | xargs cat -
14:18<fxiny>enouf: google for skval and then try rot13 skval ...
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14:19<fxiny>enouf: "skval torpedo"
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14:28<enouf>weasel: getting back to this swap thing, and mkswap, how would you expect the behaviour (result) of those commands to be if it were a swapFILE instead of a partition? i would guess the old swapFILE's contents will remain (but their blocks marked as writable, once again) until overwritten, and a new contiguous (if such a large block is available) block would be used for the new swapFILE .. agree?
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14:29<enouf>although, i suppose one might have a harder time running strings on an old swapFILE, since finding the start/stop boundary would be more difficult
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14:29<ranix>man shred
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14:29<enouf>man scrub!
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14:30<fxiny>shred can cook your hd
14:30<enouf>!start an encryption war!
14:30<ranix>shred can cook my hd
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14:30<ranix>that's OK
14:30<ranix>I have patient information on it
14:30<ranix>if the hard drive survives the shred, I'll reuse it
14:30<fxiny>check out scrub
14:30<enouf>Rediculate: what's it waiting for?
14:30<enouf>erm ranix .. drats
14:30<ranix>if not, my boss would have tried to drill holes in it anyway
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14:30<enouf>ranix: psst .. acid bath, ..or .. glory hole :-P
14:31<enouf>ranix: tried dban yet?
14:31<ranix>enouf: passing sensitive information through the glory hole?
14:31<enouf>Google has a physical shredder O_o
14:31<ranix>you might be onto something
14:31<ranix>I think they call that a darknet
14:31<enouf>ranix: but ofourse - where else to make such a deposit?
14:32<ranix>enouf: I guess it's already used for genetic information
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14:32<ranix>in a manner of speaking, it was the first darknet!
14:32<ranix>but, sometimes unwanted packets piggyback
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14:33<enouf>ranix: i tried .. at my bank .. but they didn't like that too much :-p
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14:34<EmleyMoor>Is there an interface to lame that makes it easy to fill in the id3 tags and make good filenames in Debian?
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14:35<cahoot>not importing from cd's?
14:35<Emanon1>I installed the ssh package on debian etch and wish to change edit the config file but I am unable to locate it
14:36<EmleyMoor>cahoot: No - this is an LP I've recorded and edited
14:37<fxiny>enouf: for editing id3 tags ?
14:37<Emanon1>o nvm I got it
14:38<EmleyMoor>fxiny: I'm looking to convert the wavs to MP3s adding id3 tags and making sensible filenames
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14:39<fxiny>EmleyMoor: id3tool is an editor , then thre are cli apps for pulling id3 tags from the net
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14:40<EmleyMoor>fxiny: I very much doubt they'll be pullable
14:40<fxiny>they are
14:42<simonrvn> borked
14:42<cahoot>EmleyMoor: - search for roughly halfway down
14:42<EmleyMoor>This LP was never released on CD
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14:42<EmleyMoor>I will look to see if someone else has done it
14:44<simonrvn>you guys did happen to notice that he said "I've recorded and edited", right?
14:44<simonrvn>i.e. original works
14:45<cahoot>no this guy didn't grasp the real meaning of that
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14:45<EmleyMoor>Well, not original works - but the digital recording was done by me...
14:45<ranix>whoa whoa whoa
14:45<ranix>he recorded and edited the works?
14:45<simonrvn>mm, ok
14:45<ranix>that's copyrighted material
14:46<ranix>what are you doing!
14:46<ranix>DMCA violations if you distribute that without authorizing yourself
14:46<EmleyMoor>ranix: Preservation of the sound from a cherished LP
14:46<enouf>it means .. he went into a concert with a digital camcorder and made a bootleg
14:46<enouf>ahh .. LP => Digital Stonage
14:46<fxiny>we all did it on tapes
14:46<simonrvn>ranix: if you're being serious, shut the hell up please, if not, well your delivery sucks ;).
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14:47<nikee>EmleyMoor: if you cherish the LP, then pleas don't convert it to a lossy format like MP3, use FLAC instead.
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14:47*nikee peas?
14:47<simonrvn>yeh, flac or such non-lossy
14:47<EmleyMoor>nikee: I want it in MP3 as well as a non-lossy
14:47<enouf>keep it as a WAV!
14:48<dkr>why care about losing sounds you can't distinguish with the human ear?
14:48<EmleyMoor>It will be going on CD
14:48<ranix>simonrvn: there's a specific way to say stupid things like that, some people find it funny
14:48<ranix>simonrvn: the delivery was pretty good actually
14:48<fxiny>anything stupid is funny
14:48<enouf>dkr: my dog loves mozart!
14:48*enouf hides
14:48<cahoot>dkr: trying to pull the rug from under the hifi crowd?
14:48<fxiny>enouf: i love mozart !
14:48<dkr>ranix: it was funny. the whoahs and exclamation points made it very obvious. he was just being obtuse. :)
14:48<ranix>fxiny: mozart sucks! Chopin is better
14:48<enouf>ranix: your delivery was fine .. up until that dmca post - imho ofcourse
14:48<simonrvn>ranix: you need more !!!oneone for instance, or a :P. text is hard to "get the feel of" sometimes :(
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14:49<ranix>no no no, this is internet. You have to be kind of funny and then kill the joke
14:49<fxiny>ranix: mozart was a great music coder , all rock musicians sampled mozart
14:49<ranix>fxiny: chopin was the father of techno
14:49<ranix>nntss nntss nntss
14:50<enouf>dkr: the real issue is; if your 'gear' cannot reproduce the audio frequencies, no point in having it there :-P
14:50<simonrvn>dkr: what if your range is not within normal parameters? ;P
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14:51<ranix>are their sounds that cannot be received by the human ear?
14:51<dkr>simonrvn: shhh, on the internet no one knows you're a dog. don't give hints!
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14:51<amphi>even cheap headphones will make 128kb/s cbr mp3 sound like crap
14:51*simonrvn tries not to bark too loud
14:51<fxiny>ranix: i am a big fan of mozart and nick fiend : techni sampled chopin was the father of techno
14:51<ranix>There might be sounds that we don't consciously recognize that still add to the experience in a non-quantifiable way
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14:51<adama>if he's going to put it on a CD, just keep WAV!!
14:51<fxiny>ranix: f* mouse
14:52<ranix>fxiny: apt-get install ratpoison
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14:52<simonrvn>you also might miss out on some harmonies
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14:52<EmleyMoor>adama: WAVs will go to make the CD
14:52<ranix>simonrvn: harmonics was the word you were shooting for there
14:52<fxiny>ranix: i did it
14:53<nikee>ranix: right. the most often forgotten dimension is the temporal one. stereo image gone, hi-hats that have no real attack etc.
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14:53<ranix>nikee: quick, don the tinfoil hat
14:53<fxiny>ranix: anyway now is too late . i was thinking about the nick fiend "sample my sausage" joke ;)
14:53<adama>EmleyMoor: not sure what you were trying to say just then
14:53<simonrvn>ranix: yes, but i did mean that too
14:54<simonrvn>he'll burn the wavs onto the cd
14:54<EmleyMoor>adama: I want to have both a CD made from the WAVs and a set of MP3s made from them
14:55<EmleyMoor>(I can do CDs easily)
14:55<nikee>mp3's are LAME, use OGG instead.
14:55*nikee chuckles...
14:55<metalqga>flac is the king
14:55<nikee>yeah, but that wouldn't rhyme... :)
14:55<EmleyMoor>nikee: If the thing I might want to play them on could do OGG well, I would
14:55<Dma>But uses too much disk space. I'll stick to 192kbps MP3s or OGG
14:55<nikee>Dma: excuse me?
14:56<metalqga>Dma you aint an audio freak :P
14:56<nikee>Dma: new iFons (for example) have between 8GB and 16GB.
14:56<fxiny>ogg is fine but most classical music comes as ape . i spend hours converting ape to flac , and at the end most of the time sucks
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14:57<nikee>fxiny: why? because you don't like the composer or the orchestra? :)
14:57<metalqga>download the notes :P
14:58*nikee shall be looking out more for APE's instead of FLACS...
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14:58<Dma>nope metalqga, I'm not.
14:58<nikee>metalqga: no room for partitions on his partitions, comprende? :)
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14:59<fxiny>nikee: converting classical music form ape to flac mess up the sound , sometimes
15:00<nikee>fxiny: why don't you buy the CD then? I do that when I like the music...
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15:01<ranix>hey do any of you guys want to buy some solid gold speaker wire? It's the besst for true audio crispness. I also have some magnetic accoustic cable elevators guaranteed to enhance your definition and encrispsulate your intonations
15:01<fxiny>nikee: i have a huge music collection . all legal cd's
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15:02<fxiny>but i live in this time and the time is for sharing , rights must change
15:02<metalqga>and cds get scratched
15:02*EmleyMoor has an oxygen-fre listening room <g>
15:02<adama>aaaaaanyways, EmleyMoor I think grip will do what you want
15:02<nikee>fxiny: that was no criticism, just the way I deal with music I don't get in the format I want...
15:02<EmleyMoor>adama: I will look at it
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15:03<nikee>adama: crip is nice too.
15:03<nikee>adama: and completely shell only.
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15:04<adama>I use grip, not especially interested in trying others
15:04<fxiny>nikee: i'm not a classical music person . i like most of the classical composer because i can hear all modern music , trance alike for example , is just a sample of classical music composed by coders like mozart
15:05<fxiny>is like good c code . who came first had the chance to do the best
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15:05*nikee mozart was a coder?
15:05<fxiny>he had that brain for sure
15:06<fxiny>and some coders are artists like mozart
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15:06<fxiny>i am a listener
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15:10<metalqga>most companies define listeners as consumers, wrong, wrong.....
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15:18<mope>how do i hide all output in a terminal? i need the equivalent of "stty -echo" covering all output, not only typed text
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15:20<camille>wai wai wai
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15:20<adama>mope: put ">/dev/null 2>&1" on the end of all your commands?
15:21<camille>wai les mecs
15:21<adama>camille: English only please
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15:21<mope>adama: isn't there a better way? in my particular situation i can't use your suggestion
15:22<adama>mope: I don't know, maybe :s
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15:22<mope>a stty -echo equivalent will be perfect
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15:23<mope>i only want to prevent accidental output
15:23<mope>not all output
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15:23<mope>like, all output sent while the terminal is trying to display something else, nicely formatted
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15:25<adama>mope: I'm not really sure what you mean, and probably don't have any answer, though someone else here might. I assume you've read the stty man page?
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15:25<mope>adama: yes, but i didn't see anything as helpful as stty (-)echo
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15:36<enouf>vev__: obviously dlocate is predicated on it's own database, and requires update-dlocatedb to be run every now and then (but cron.* covers that - though my cron.daily are disabled -- too annoying)
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15:36<enouf>bah - i meant valdyn , not vev__
15:37<enouf>mope: command & works many times
15:38<enouf>it all depends on where the command usually sends stderr/stdout , iinm
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15:44<mope>enouf: i don't understand, what command &?
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15:49<enouf>mope: 'command &' sends the job into the background
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15:50<jean_>does keytouch work with metacity
15:50<enouf>mope: you can bring it into foreground using 'fg' or 'fg %1' for 1st job, once running, type 'jobs'
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15:57<ranix>verheesj: stop being obnoxious
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15:58<ranix>!ops verheesj is being mean to me
15:58<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ranix complains about: verheesj is being mean to me
15:58<weasel>verheesj: please turn off noisy away
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15:59<verheesj>fuck off ranix or I will fuck you up prick
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15:59<@weasel>verheesj: this kind of language is completely inappropriate in here.
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16:01<verheesjj>can you -q me please
16:02<verheesjj>I appologise
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16:05<sample>подскажите, lenny себя нормально ведет на ноутах? у меня dell 500 ставил версию 4.0 была проблема с точпадом.
16:05<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
16:05<hahnp>maybe something else
16:06<dpkg>i guess gr is for help in greek try or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to & to #debian-el. General Resolution
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16:17<recognizer>hi, someone knows how to fix this?
16:17<recognizer>$ xdpyinfo
16:17<recognizer>No protocol specified
16:17<recognizer>xdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0.0".
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16:18<recognizer>hi, someone knows how to fix this?
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16:21<padski>recognizer, is that as the same user as is logged onto the display ?
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16:22<recognizer>i want to install oracle 11g and I created an user call oracle
16:23<padski>the user running xdpyinfo is oracle, but you are logged on as recognizer (or whatever) ?
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16:24<dkr>hahnp: you had it right the first time, :) you can tell greek from cyrillic because cyrillic contains greek letters but also latin letters like C. :)
16:25<recognizer>the command who show this
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16:30<kop>recognizer : "who" shows who's logged in. You want useradd. (I prefer postfix over oracle for most uses.)
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16:30<kop>recognizer : Or maybe you want: ps ax
16:31<hahnp>dkr: ;)
16:31<kop>recognizer : Or: cat /etc/passwd
16:31<recognizer>already solved the problem with sux
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17:52<verheesj>weasel - I appologise :)
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17:57<@Ganneff>verheesj: and keep public away off please. it is unwanted in here. thanks.
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17:59<hypyrbole>Hi all. I'm putty-ing into my debian box at home, from work. Into a screen session. If I highlight text (a URL) with the mouse, how do I copy the text? I intend to paste the address into links2 in the same screen session(but another window in that session). Does screen have a clipboard/buffer? Thanks.
17:59<@Ganneff>yes it does have
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18:00<Myon>hypyrbole: ^A[ ^A]
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18:00<weasel>hypyrbole: or you could use the mouse
18:00<adama>hypyrbole: putty will copy and paste by selecting and right-clicking respectively. I don't think screen will make any difference
18:00<Myon>hypyrbole: like the middle button
18:00<weasel>hypyrbole: putty paste is right-click iirc
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18:01<Nidhoegger>i ave installed guarddog and want the initscript to be startet on boot, under gentoo i had to add it with rc-update. how do i do that under debian lenny?
18:01<weasel>hypyrbole: and if links2 is doing weird curses stuff try pressing the shift key during pasting
18:01<adama>Nidhoegger: update-rc.d
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18:02<Nidhoegger>how do i use it :(
18:02<Nidhoegger>the --help switch isnt really helping
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18:03<dpkg>rumour has it, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>
18:03<alberto>ciao a tutti
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18:05<Nidhoegger>buecksteuck01:~# update-rc.d guarddog default
18:05<Nidhoegger>gives me the --help
18:05<adama>Nidhoegger: update-rc.d guarddog defaults
18:05<dpkg>one warez list being sent to alberto
18:05<adama>missing s
18:06<adama>need to fix that factoid..
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18:06<adama>note that /etc/init.d/guarddog must exist and have the proper format
18:06<Nidhoegger>got it, thanks
18:07<Nidhoegger>the goddamn s :D
18:07<llimeht>dpkg, init.d =~ s/default/defaults/
18:07<dpkg>llimeht: OK
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18:07<adama>the --help does say defaults
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18:07<llimeht>adama: good catch
18:08<Nidhoegger>your right
18:08<Nidhoegger>overread that
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18:09<Slurb>and violla
18:09<Slurb>it works
18:09<Slurb>i hope
18:09<dpkg>viola is, like, a string instrument, related to the violin but slightly larger. It is *not* the French word for "there it is".
18:09<Slurb>my bad
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18:10<Slurb>no like ta dah
18:10<adama>hypyrbole: are we boring you?
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18:14<debianNooB21>when i run the 'set' command as root, i get one page of all my environment variables. if I run the 'set' as another user. I get 20 or so pages of program code. Is this wrong?
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18:15<llimeht>debianNooB21: no, that's usual. You've probably just got bash completion enabled for your user but not for root
18:16<debianNooB21>llimeht: bach completion, you mean command completion?
18:16<debianNooB21>if so, root has command completion.
18:17<llimeht>debianNooB21: yes. and it's not just for the command itself, it's also for the options to the command (e.g. type aptitude then hit tab twice)
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18:20<debianNooB21>llimeht: is bash completion enabled by default?
18:20<llimeht>debianNooB21: no
18:21<llimeht>debianNooB21: well, command completion is always available, extra bits like completion for options need to be enabled
18:22<debianNooB21>llimeht: i never enable it for my user account. how does it get enabled?
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18:28<hypyrbole>Sorry all for not thanking you for your help. I just man-paged screen and discovered the copy buffer. I knew we'd have a better name for it than "clipboard".
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18:31<hypyrbole>Also thanks for suggesting using the mouse in putty, but I prefer to learn the keyboard route. Entering copy mode works exactly the way I want. Thanks again. Another new thing I learned.
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18:33<stroyan>debianNooB21: You can enable bash completion by editing ~/.bashrc and uncommenting the lines for ". /etc/bash_completion"
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19:00<vincent>how could I run an exe file with wine? I mean, wine can open my exe books, but only the coverpage...
19:03<debianNooB21>i am trying to add a new user with 'useradd tempuser -p password' but that user can not do anything. home dir doesn't get created, can't login. what am i doing wrong? Man i suck
19:04<vincent>don't use useradd, try adduser
19:05<blarson>debianNooB21: Are you running it as root?
19:05<debianNooB21>vincent: Why? this is what I just read "The adduser command is identical to useradd, because it is merely a symbolic link <soft_link.html> to it.
19:06<vincent>no, they are defferent
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19:06<debianNooB21>yes I am using the root command.
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19:10<Maulkin>debianNooB21: they're different. If you *need* to use useradd, read 'man useradd' and pay special attention to the '-m' argument
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19:13<debianNooB21>I will user adduser from now on. But a lot of website say to use useradd.
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19:14<debianNooB21>even the man page for useradd states 'When invoked without the -D option, the useradd command creates a new user account using the values specified on the command line and the default values from the system. Depending on
19:14<debianNooB21> command line options, the useradd command will update system files and may also create the new user’s home directory and copy initial files.'
19:15<debianNooB21>july is my fav.
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19:17<debianNooB21>just to clear my head. if you use useradd you much use the command options? Nothing is defaulted?
19:18<dmoerner>debianNooB21: yes, that is correct. "adduser" is the one that holds your hand
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19:19<dkr>no, it assigns shell to /bin/bash by default
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19:25<debianNooB21>from the man page:: may also create the new user’s home directory and copy initial files. but you must use the -m option.
19:26<debianNooB21>if i run useradd -D i see all the defaults, but nothing really get created
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19:27<twobitsp1ite>are there any open platform/source PDAs out there?
19:27<debianNooB21>eg if I run useradd username3 -p password3 that user still can not login until i run passwd on username3 as root.
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19:28<debianNooB21>so from my eyes useradd does not be edit the passwd file.
19:28<debianNooB21>by default that is
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19:28<blarson>twobitsp1ite: Nokia makes some based on debian. zarus (sp?) was the first linux pda I heard of, but I don't know if they are still around.
19:29<Xenguy>debianNooB21: adduser ?
19:29<twobitsp1ite>blarson: I'll google around... thanks
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19:31<debianNooB21>Xenguy: are you telling to use adduser? :)
19:31<Xenguy>debianNooB21: just suggesting it as a possible alternative...
19:31<Xenguy>debianNooB21: I seem to recall it is a little more friendly
19:32<Xenguy>worth a try
19:32<debianNooB21>Xenguy: ya i am going to from now on.
19:32<debianNooB21>Xenguy: i was just make commect about useradd
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19:37<jughead>Does anyone know if there's a channel for VTWM?
19:37<balder>Not sure man
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19:39<debianNooB21>going back to bash completion, it seems to be enable by default. if I create a user with adduser. i see bash completion uncommented by default.
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20:24<bighornram>I'm trying to setup mysql server and keep getting "can't connect to local mysql server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2). I'm remotely connected ssh.
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20:31<bighornram>How do you issue commands for mysql server remotely?
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20:46<bighornram>I'm unable to get a connection to my mysql server via ssh connection. How can this be done?
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21:02<What-s_my>bighormram, why do you use ssh to connect to mysql-server? mysql-client makes it...
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21:02<AlLnAtuRalX>Hey guys
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21:02<AlLnAtuRalX>I'm a newb who's just starting out with debian
21:02<AlLnAtuRalX>and I wanted to know if there was an x86-64 version
21:03<amphi>there is
21:03<dpkg>rumour has it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64>
21:04<AlLnAtuRalX>So is it worth it to use on a system w. 8gb of ram and a core 2 quad?
21:04<AlLnAtuRalX>because I heard a lot of issues with x86-64 linux
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21:07<blarson>AlLnAtuRalX: Depends on your use. If 4gigs/process is enough, you don't need amd64.
21:07<AlLnAtuRalX>that's the upper limit of i386?
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21:08<AlLnAtuRalX>for the foreseeable future I should be fine with i386 then... even though I'm sure advancements in 64 bit will be made eventually
21:08<AlLnAtuRalX>any other advantages of i386?
21:08<blarson>bigmem and amd64 kernels can handle more memory, but i386 can only address 4 gigs per process.
21:08<bighornram>What-s_my: using ssh to connect to the machine. How is the best way to configure the server remotely then?
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21:09<blarson>You can use 64-bit kernels on i386 with appropriate processor.
21:09<AlLnAtuRalX>so it even i386 will allow me to take advantage of the full power of a quad core?
21:10<blarson>Some programs will run faster on amd64 due to more registers. And there is the memory limit.
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21:12<What-s_my>bighornram, mysql -h urServer -u root -p
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21:19<oigres>Is there a kernel amd64 more recent than 2.6.26-1-amd64 ?
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21:19<oigres>I guess the bot may help me but I forgot how to ask that! :=)
21:20<oigres>!tell me about kernel
21:20<blarson>!tell oigres about selftell
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21:21<balder>I'm new... How do you use selftell?
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21:21<blarson>!tell balder about selftell
21:22<balder>selftell help
21:22<blarson>!msg the bot
21:22<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
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21:22<oigres>Is there a place where I can get a linux deb image?
21:22<balder>Thank you
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21:27<oigres>Got it guys... i just added to my apt! Tx!
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21:27<debianNooB21>!tell me how to get laid
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21:36<bighornram>can someone direct me to instructions to configure a newly installed mysql-server? I can only connect remotely to the server. thanks
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21:38<abrotman> ?
21:38<bighornram>keep getting error I can't connect via mysql.socks connection
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21:40<balder>bighornram, are you bound to in your the config file?
21:40<balder>set it to
21:40<abrotman>only connect remotely ?
21:41<abrotman>bighornram: did you check the my.cnf where it says it will only listen on localhost ?
21:41<balder>that will allow all IP's
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21:44<bighornram>my.cnf just changed to 0's
21:45<balder>restart mysql
21:45<balder>then assuming that the user that you are logging in as has the permissions all will be well
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21:52<abrotman>uhm .. there's a much easier way
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21:54<Student>how can i Format and partition my harddisk with Vfat, under debian?
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21:55<balder>abrotman, are you talking about the mysql remote access?
21:55<abrotman>Student: mkfs.vfat
21:57<abrotman>oh .. it seems they changed the my.cnf again
21:57<Student>abrotman is there any graphical utility?
21:57<abrotman>Student: i'm sure there is .. gparted maybe ?
21:58<Student>abrotman why this "Disk Manager" utility does't help me in that?
21:59<abrotman>never used it .. oculdn't tell you
21:59<Student>abrotman you had used gparted with good effect?
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22:00<bighornram>still getting connect to server at 'localhost' failed. access denied for user
22:00<abrotman>Student: not to create a vfat, but i did resize one
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22:03<balder>do you have the permissions set for the user that you are trying to connect as?
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22:03<bighornram>is a reinstall, trying to connect to set root password and remove anonymous users.
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22:04<bighornram>had installed and did a dpkg -P for mysql-server and trying to setup from scratch.
22:05<balder>do you have access to the machine locally?
22:05<Emanon>I have installed ircd and ssh on a dedian comp and it was working fine but I having trouble making the LAN ip's static
22:06<bighornram>not very easily.
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22:07<balder>when you installed mysql, it should have asked you for the default password.
22:07<balder>can you ssh into the machine?
22:08<bighornram>it didn't ask me anything. i am connected ssh
22:08<balder>that is good enough for now.
22:08<balder>did you try with no password?
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22:09<bighornram>i can start and stop the server but then when i try mysqladmin version i get error can't connect
22:10<bighornram>and have no idea if the root and anonymous accounts are set or not
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22:11<balder>have you tried to just run mysql from ssh?
22:11<balder>not through mysqladmin
22:13<bighornram>www:/home/jeff# mysql
22:13<bighornram>ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
22:14<balder>get root
22:14<balder>if you just set up mysql, jeff is not a user of the DB system yet
22:14<bighornram>i am in that directory, but logged in as root
22:14<balder>mysql -p
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22:16<bighornram>prompts for password, entering with none says can't connect
22:17<abrotman>but it's prompting you
22:17<balder>try to stop mysql, enter in safe skipping the grant tables, then resetting your password
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22:19<bighornram>started in safe as mysql user
22:20<balder>mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables &
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22:25<balder>enter as root
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22:25<balder>now man handle the mysql table, setting you password as you will
22:27<bighornram>says cannot execute SET PASSWORD because is running with the skip grant tables option.
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22:29<balder>can you select?
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22:30<balder>you should be able to view the password, write it down, restart mysql, enter as root
22:30<bighornram>what do I enter to view?
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22:31<balder>select * from user;
22:31<balder>select * from user where User = 'root';
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22:32<bighornram>no database selected
22:32<balder>use mysql;
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22:33<mattzhere>oops.. sorry... my bad
22:33<goodger>terrible tracker
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22:54<balder>bighornram, did it work?
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22:56<bighornram>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
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22:56<bighornram>though did it with password and tried without also
22:57<balder>did you get to the mysql> when you used the password?
22:57<bighornram>no said access denied
22:57<bighornram>for user @ localhost
22:57<bighornram>user root@localhost
22:57<balder>were you able to see the password when you ran the select statement?
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22:58<balder>and you entered it exactly?
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22:58<bighornram>i can see it for localhost, and machine name
22:58<bighornram>yes double checked it.
22:59<balder>were they all the same?
22:59<balder>do you have phpmyadmin insalled?
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23:05<bighornram>yes and I just used the password from another user I created before. i was able to use phpmyadmin to open it. but not the root one
23:07<balder>I suppose that that user didn't get GRANT * privileges when you created it, to be able to reset root password.
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23:07<bighornram>looking at that right now. maybe
23:08<balder>I hope so, for your sake.
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23:12<bighornram>balder: that worked! life is good again.
23:13<bighornram>thanks so much
23:13<balder>no problem man
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23:27<bbzez>hey guys
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23:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, maven is a VAT-capable audioconferencing tool for the MacOS and is available at
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