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00:32<Emanon>I am running an irc server and can access it via LAN but over the internet I run into problems.. I have port forwarded to 6667 tcp and udp
00:32<Emanon>I am also running ssh and the hostname seems to work fine with that
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00:42<chaoticmass>I have a ext3 partition that fsck says is clean but when I mount it and try to read from it I get weird errors from the kernel and the read fails. This partition holds root so the system won't boot. What should I do to repair the partition? Sorry this isn't purely debian related, but I am using Debian Etch.
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00:43<chaoticmass>I'm currently booted from a USB Debian rescue environment I made so I can do stuff to try to repair the partition
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00:43<blarson>chaoticmass: What is the error?
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00:45<chaoticmass>blarson : I knew someone would ask :) unfortunatly I don't think I can reproduce it at the moment without rebooting. In my rescue environment I get the error only the first time I try to read the partition, every time after that it just silently hangs
00:45<chaoticmass>let me check dmesg
00:45<chaoticmass>ok, I got it
00:46<chaoticmass>whats the favorite bit bucket/copy paste thing people use? pastebin?
00:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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00:47<blarson>Also, you should try e2fsck -f on it (unmounted, of course)
00:48<chaoticmass>osted by chaoticmass on Thu 5 Feb 05:47
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00:49<chaoticmass>oops, sorry
00:49<k1lumin4t1>a good wiki system?
00:49<chaoticmass>using xterm and bitchx, tried to paste a URL and it pasted some crazy stuff
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00:50<chaoticmass>blarson : pastbin of relevant dmesg part:
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00:53<blarson>chaoticmass: Looks like that kernel doesn't like that filesystem. Was it created on a later kernel?
00:55<chaoticmass>blarson : The fs was damaged I suspect-- I dual boot with debian in Windows. In windows I have a utility to allow me to read/write ext filesystems in windows. I had just written something to my ext partition in windows and then rebooted into debian and thats when I started getting that message
00:55<chaoticmass>so I think the poorly written windows utility f'ed my ext partition
00:55<blarson>after the fsck -f, you could try forcing it to mount as ext2.
00:56<chaoticmass>do you perhaps remember the commands to see what application is using a file? trying to unmount the partition but it says its busy. lsof... something something
00:56<blarson>fuser or lsof
00:57<chaoticmass>blarson : also, a fsck -f may be all it needs-- I didnt use the -f option yet... it just said "It's clean" and I'm like ... no... fix it, hah. I skimmed the manual and didn't see the -f option
00:58<chaoticmass>ah, lsof | grep "/mnt/disk" revealed the process that was busying up the mount
01:00<chaoticmass>brb, kill -9 pid isn't killing the instance of ls that is running, keeping me from umounting the partition... rebooting
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01:05<chaoticmass>back-- so e2fsck-f is running, first thing it says is HTREE directory inode 2 has an invalid root node. Clear HTree index? -- so, do I clear it or not? will it cause loss of daters?
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01:06<jeff>hey guyz when I run apt-get upgrade, openssh server and client are "held back"
01:06<blarson>chaoticmass: I'd clear it. Any recoverable data should wind up in lost+found
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01:07<blarson>Guest126: Try apt-get dist-upgrade
01:07<Guest126>thanks, its an old box
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01:09<chaoticmass>blarson: thanks
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01:12<Guest126>does burning a dvd take any sort of minium processer requirment
01:14<blarson>Guest126: I think anything with the i/o bandwidth to handle it should be fine.
01:15<Guest126>like a P-II
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01:31<lskjflskjf>hey. i started to install an application with aptitude, but i cancelled while packages were still downloading. i want to stop the installation.
01:31<lskjflskjf>i used Ctrl-C
01:32<lskjflskjf>is there anything else i need to do to undo what i had started?
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01:33<jm_>aptitude has some sort of action log, check there
01:34<jm_>ahh cancel pending actions in the menu
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01:36<u8086>every one ok
01:36<u8086>a abc |
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01:45<Supaplex>I'm not okay.
01:45<Supaplex>I'm fantastic!
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01:47<goodger>any particular reason, supaplex?
01:47<Supaplex>just am :)
01:48<goodger>well, I'm glad someone's got some serotonin
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01:52<heffay>when i try to modprobe p4-clockmod it replies resource busy, but when i lsmod i dont see it. all i see loaded is acpi_cpufreq
01:52<heffay>how can i switch it?
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01:54<jm_>which CPU is it? p4-clockmod is useless crap
01:55<heffay>its a pentium d
01:55<heffay>i had it working a minute ago
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01:55<heffay>then i rebooted and its picking acpi_cpufreq and staying there
01:55<jm_>acpi_cpufreq is what is used for intel CPU-s these days
01:56<jm_>that p4 clockmod doesn't do any throttling at all
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01:57<heffay>the p4-clockmod was actually working pretty well from 350hz at idle to 3.0ghz. the acpi_cpufreq only floats between 2.8 and 3.0ghz
01:57<jm_>dream on, I suggest you read what it does, description will come from folks emplyed by intel
01:58<jm_>in fact they will remove it from the kernel
02:00<heffay>do you suggest i edit the ondemand file then?
02:00<heffay>it looks liek its min. speed is 2.8
02:00<heffay>which is hardly powersaving
02:00<jm_>check what cpufreq-info says
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02:01<jm_>yeah even a modern intel CPU does limited frequency scaling, for example E8200 goes only from 2000Mhz to 2.66GHz, compare that to AMD Athlon64 3200 which can go from 1000Mhz - 2GHz
02:02<jm_>the thing with p4 clockmod is it only makes CPU idle more, it doesn't change frequency at all
02:02<heffay>i kid you not, when i first had pr loaded it idled at 350hz
02:03<jm_>this is an intel engineer explaining it, also read a reply to that mail
02:03<jm_>yes, it may be faking it for cpufreq purposes, but in reality it doesn't do that
02:03<heffay>sure felt like it was at 350hz lol
02:04<jm_>yes it makes CPU do less work, i.e. it's in "idle" mode for longer periods
02:04<jm_>but it's dong "nothing" at full speed if that makes sense :)
02:04<heffay>yeah it felt like it was never revving up under load
02:04<jm_>I know it's bizarre, but that's how it is - another stunning intel invention
02:05<heffay>are you an amd user?
02:05<goodger>good old intel
02:05<goodger>they invented a 64-bit cpu architecture, watched it flop, waited for AMD to come up with a better one, and then copied it but gave it a different name
02:06<heffay>well you wont be surprised to hear that my pentium d runs insanely hot then
02:06<heffay>which is why im trying to throttle it down some
02:06<jm_>no, I have both AMD and Intel CPU-s
02:06<heffay>my computer reboots if i try to do ANYTHING while compiling something
02:06<jm_>yes, p4clockmod helps with heat, because of the above
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02:07<heffay>thats the problem im trying to solve
02:07<heffay>till i buy a diff cpu
02:07<jm_>well try removing acpi_cpufreq first then
02:08<goodger>can you even buy new CPUs for that socket now?
02:08<heffay>yeah its 775
02:08<heffay>so i can but a c2d in this mobo
02:08<jm_>yeah new CPU-s will fit in nicely if motherboard (BIOS) supports them
02:08<heffay>or a quad
02:08<heffay>it does. its a pretty new board
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02:08<heffay>c2d for sure and quad with a firmware update
02:09<heffay>so to remove acpi just apt-get remove? i dont ever remember installing it
02:09<goodger>I wonder what the AMD equivalent is
02:09<jm_>no, it's a module - you remove it with rmmod
02:09<jm_>goodger: of?
02:09<jm_>ahh CPU? yeah Phenom
02:09<goodger>jm_: the core2duo
02:10<goodger>I've missed about five years of computer developments because I've not been upgrading my box
02:10<heffay>rmmod acpi_cpufreq module in use
02:10<heffay>yeah i stopped playing with hardware when the p4 was brand new
02:10<heffay>this is all learning for me
02:11<goodger>largely because to upgrade the motherboard, ram or processor, I have to buy a new motherboard, processor and ram
02:11<ameyer>eh, five year old computers can be useful
02:11<goodger>DDR1, socket 939. not good
02:12<ameyer>though they may need additional RAM
02:12<goodger>to get new memory, I have to get a new mobo, which means a non-939 socket, which means a new processor
02:12<ameyer>they still make DDR1
02:12<goodger>to get a new processor, I need a new mobo, which means DDR2/3, which means new RAM
02:12<heffay>crap. is the fact that im running kde going to complicate this? i can see kacpid and kacpi_notify running in top
02:12<jm_>does lsmod show any used by for acpi_cpufreq?
02:13<goodger>no, the K is for kernel AFAIK
02:13<goodger>don't quote me
02:13<heffay>used by 1
02:13<ameyer>it tends to be a bit more expensive, but not as expensive as upgrading everything
02:13<ameyer>hell, they still made PC133 RAM last time I checked
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02:14<goodger>I know that DDR1 is still available but it's overpriced and I have 2G of it already... so the point of upgrading the ram would be for a speed boost (most of it is grossly underspeed for modern games)
02:14<jm_>that's preventing it from unloading (assuming module supports unloading at all)
02:14<ameyer>although PC133 insanely expensive
02:14<ameyer>goodger: 2 GB should be enough for anyone
02:14*ameyer ducks
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02:14<jm_>yeah RAM is bargain nowadays, even here one can get 4G DDR2 for 45EUR
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02:15<ameyer>wait, no, PC133 isn't insanely expensive
02:15<ameyer>PC133 laptop RAM is insanely expensive
02:16<goodger>but to do that, I have to get a new motherboard, and a decent new motherboard will be socket AM2
02:16<goodger>which means I need a socket AM2 processor.
02:16<heffay>cpuinfo says cpu0 driver is acpi_cpufreq
02:16<goodger>the whole lot is all lumped together as one hideously expensive unit
02:16<heffay>i think thats whats using it
02:17<goodger>I like how AMD say the phenom is equipped for "critical business productivity"
02:17<goodger>as if running a quad-core processor costing £130 will run microsoft word better than a PIII
02:17<ameyer>goodger: why not just keep using your current setup until you have a compelling reason to upgrade
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02:18<goodger>ameyer: I have a compelling reason to upgrade: games don't run properly. it's just too expensive atm
02:18<ameyer>heck, my desktop's got a 2.4 GHz and 256 MB of RAM until I convince it to boot with 2 RAM sticks and it's OK
02:19<ameyer>I wouldn't game on it, though
02:19<goodger>yeah, but I bet it doesn't run TES4 on medium at 40fps
02:19*ameyer has no freaking clue what TES4 is
02:20<ameyer>err, I meant a 2.4 GHz Celeron
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02:20<ameyer>it was pretty much obsolete when I got it in 2003
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02:20<goodger>the elder scrolls 4, released in 2006 and still incapable of being run with good graphics settings on most PCs --- known for its stunning visuals and appalling framerates
02:21<ameyer>yeah, my desktop had a hard time running games from 2001 when it had Windows on it.
02:21<jm_>oblivion? modern cards can run that at very high resolutions easily
02:22<heffay>i dont see p4 clockmod in /proc/modules
02:22<heffay>only acpi_cpufreq
02:22<jm_>that's because clockmod can't load since acpi_cpufreq is loaded
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02:23<heffay>and i cant unload acpi since its in use?
02:23<goodger>jm_: my 7600GT struggles to run it at 30fps at 1024x786 with medium graphics. this I blame on the partly 2002-era memory and the athlon64 3800
02:24<jm_>goodger: ahh sure, I meant more like monsters in the shape of GTX2xx, or ATI 3870 :)
02:24<goodger>well, yeah
02:24<goodger>those don't count as "most modern cards" ¬.¬
02:24<goodger>I mean, you need an 8800 to run it properly
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02:25<goodger>or a 9600
02:25<goodger>ironically, I once owned a radeon 9600 that was similarly incapable of running HL2 appropriately
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02:26<enouf>heffay: rmmod? are you nuts?
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02:26<jm_>hmm I have no idea why you wouldn't be able to unload it, do you have some user space governors? cpufreq stats module loaded?
02:26<enouf>~$ modinfo acpi_cpufreq | grep depends
02:26<enouf>depends: freq_table,processor
02:26<heffay>ondemand is loaded
02:27<jm_>goodger: yeah but I said modern cards, not most modern cards - heck, 8800GT is what I have and it's not too pricey anymore
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02:27<heffay>i got my 8600gt for 30 bucks
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02:28<goodger>I'll be getting a 9800GT at the point at which I upgrade the current limiting factors
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02:29<heffay>i cant unload any of these
02:29<jm_>if all else fails, you can blacklist acpi_cpufreq module and then load p4 clockmod manually
02:29<jm_>(after a reboot)
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02:29<heffay>how do i go about doing that?
02:29<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
02:30<jm_>hmm that is wrong, someone removed my fix
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02:31<jm_>the syntax is: install name /bin/true
02:32<heffay>reboot time wish me luck
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02:34<goodger>ack, the sun's coming up
02:34<goodger>this is the bad time of day, the time when my brain suddenly goes "BY GOD, I'VE BEEN UP ALL NIGHT!"
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02:40<heffay>no go =(
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02:44<simy>Ello all :)
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02:44<goodger>hello simy
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02:45<simy>I've done an install via deboot strap, so i didnt do the normal method of install... I've got a wifi card, that I believe is a zd1211rw comptable card, however I'm not sure how to get a 'wifi0' spot to activate it...
02:46<simy>or even if i need to do that.. I got wireless-tools and did modprobe zd1211rw after putting firmware in /lib/firmware/zd1211 just not sure what else i need to do...
02:46<simy>I do however have sit0... dono what that is
02:46<simy>thanks jm_
02:47<jm_>first indetify the card (three options listed on that page), then follow the relevant wiki page
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02:48<simy>the card itself isnt in its casing, lol I'm gussing on what it is
02:48<jm_>doesn't need to be, there are tools that can help you, check the wiki page
02:48<simy>i seem to remember using zd1211, however that could have been an internal one
02:48<simy>i dont have lsusb, where can i get that?
02:49<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See
02:49<simy>i did apt-cache search lsusb
02:49<heffay>i blacklisted acpi_cpufreq and it still loaded
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02:49<jm_>apt-cache doesn't search for filenames, use the other methods mentioned above
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02:49<jm_>how did you blacklist it?
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02:50<heffay>added blacklist acpi_cpufreq to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
02:50<heffay>then rebooted
02:50<jm_>like I said, that very rarely works, you need to use: install acpi_cpufreq /bin/true
02:50<jm_>and if you're using debian kernel you need to update initramfs image, then reboot
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02:52<simy>jm_, that did help, it showed me i was correct in installing the zd1211rw driver :)
02:52<simy>well, using it... it says no wiki page however..
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02:52<heffay>so install /path/to/acpi_cpufreq/bin/true?
02:53<simy>lots of information here, should help though, if i get stuck ill be back :0
02:54<jm_>no, you add "install acpi_cpufreq /bin/true" to blacklist file instead of blacklist foo
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02:54<jm_>simy: no wiki for this driver?
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02:55<jm_>simy: you mean this isn't it ?
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02:57<simy>i found it...
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02:57<simy>the one page i was at said no wiki
02:57<simy>but its not working
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02:58<jm_>!doesn't work
02:58<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
02:59<simy>jm_, I'm trying to find more information but i seem to be stuck, but if/when i cant figureout whats going on, ill come back.. I try very hard to solve this kinda stuff myself... I'm batting 1000 right now, but...
02:59<jm_>simy: right, just doing it the way this wiki page says should work
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02:59<simy>I'm re-reading all the steps n such to see if i missed somthin stupid
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03:01<heffay>added blacklist install acpi_cpufreq /bin/true to blacklist and update-initramfs -u and rebooted and it STILL loaded!
03:01<jm_>that would be because that's now that I said to do
03:01<heffay>what did i miss?
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03:02<jm_>you keep adding random words, echo "install acpi_cpufreq /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist
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03:03<goodger>heffay: honey nut cornflakes
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03:04<goodger>I mean that's what you missed
03:05<heffay>breakfast of champions
03:05<simy>This is what I get after plugging in the card, and then i manually loaded the zd1211rw module. usb 5-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 \ usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice \ usbcore: registered new driver zd1211rw. uname -r shows 2.6.18-5-486. and Im at the point that I dont know where to go from here, I've tried on 2 of 3 usb ports on this laptop
03:06<jm_>do what the wiki page says
03:06<simy>get the 2.6.24 kernel?
03:06<heffay>so to be sure
03:06<simy>only browser i have is dillo... it dosnt do those inpage links thing...
03:07<jm_>well it won't hurt installing that first
03:07<heffay>i created the file myblacklist in /etc/modprobe.d containing only one line "install acpi_cpufreq /bin/true"
03:07<jm_>simy: use lynx/links/w3m/...
03:07<heffay>and then i pour milk and cornflakes on the cpu
03:07<cahoot>simy: got correct firmware?
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03:08*goodger did not know there was a browser available that lacked hyperlinking support
03:08<goodger>heffay: only if the CPU is waterproofed in some way
03:08<simy>getting kernel now
03:08<heffay>you werent kidding when you said your computer was old goodger
03:08<simy>cahoot, i believe i do... did apt-get for it...
03:08<heffay>did i do that right jm?
03:08<goodger>heffay: I'm taking about simy's
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03:09<jm_>heffay: yes, but remove other crap you added
03:09<heffay>i deleted the line i added to blacklist already
03:09<simy>ild rather use links2 -g but this is for a friends laptop, a whopping 233, woot. lol
03:09<cahoot>simy: "Debian users beware: don't use the the zd1211-firmware package, as this is for Debian's fork of the ...."
03:09<heffay>ok, ill udpate-initramfs and reboot now
03:09<heffay>wish me luck
03:09<gsimmons>cahoot: That's old information on the Linux Wireless page.
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03:10<goodger>simy: I'm pretty sure a 233Mhz system can handle links2
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03:13<simy>goodger, i got him dillo cause he might like it
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03:13<simy>goodger, i was trying to avoid mozilla firefox, etc...
03:13<simy>cahoot, i tried downloading firmware as well
03:14<simy>cahoot, however this specific tutorial says downnload that package... anways new kernel reboot time, if i done come back, then we got it working ;) lol
03:14<cahoot>simy: I was obviously spreading obsolete info
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03:14<cahoot>sime: just modprobe the module and study dmesg
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03:18<heffay>jm_, it worked!!!
03:19<jm_>heffay: of course it worked
03:19<heffay>thank you
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03:23<simy>well, i decided to come back in say it worked :)
03:23<simy>I'm also getting links2, lol dillo is driving me up a wall
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03:35<heffay>nite all
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04:15<jlj>is there a way to get a UUID for a ntfs partition? The ones I get from ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ don't seem to work
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04:20<jm_>try ntfsinfo perhaps, there's also ntfslabel
04:20<jm_>not sure why you'd need that anyway
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04:24<jlj>jm_: I need it to mount partitions from a removable drive
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04:25<jlj>I think it might be a known bug in mount though..I might try mount-by-label instead
04:26<EmleyMoor>jlj: Does actually specifying the /dev/disk/by-uuid work?
04:26<jm_>jlj: that doesn't work for NTFS or does it?
04:26<EmleyMoor>(rather than UUID=)
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04:26<cahoot>EmleyMoor: got your vinyl tags sorted?
04:27<stepomaticc> /j #sidux
04:27<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Did this one manually but there will be others
04:27<cahoot>like 500 more?
04:28<EmleyMoor>Maybe 20 or so - but I haven't seen David's yet
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04:28<jlj>EmleyMoor: I'll try
04:29<cahoot>EmleyMoor: cut the tracks up 'by hand'?
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04:29<EmleyMoor>cahoot: I tend to use gramofile for that
04:29<jlj>EmleyMoor: Yes! It worked! But can I do this in fstab?
04:29<EmleyMoor>jlj: Yes
04:30<jlj>EmleyMoor: Ok, great. Thanks!
04:30<EmleyMoor>I seem to recall I had to for one of mine
04:30<cahoot>EmleyMoor: gramofile tends to stumble on live recordings in my hands
04:30<cahoot>the applauses confuses
04:30<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Live recordings are another matter
04:31<EmleyMoor>I generally use gcdmaster to make CDs of them - as for mp3s, since I did them as part of the overall process, it hasn't come up
04:32<EmleyMoor>audacity is useful for a lot of stuff
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05:33<zulu>suppose my debian linux router as 3 interfaces 192.168.[012].35 and its hostname is 'blaou' what should I put in my /etc/hosts ?? blaou ?
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05:37<stevem__>On (or anywhere else) can I see what packages require the package I'm looking at - rather than what packages it requires?
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05:38<avu>stevem__, apt-cache rdepends
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05:41<stevem__>avu ok I think debian keeps installing the 'recommends' packages
05:41<stevem__>it's annoying, is there a way of turning that off
05:41<avu>stevem__, it does so by default for a while now
05:41<avu>yes there is
05:42<stevem__>I'm trying to make a cut down gnome from scratch you see
05:42<avu>Apt::Install-Recommends "false";
05:42<jm_>!install gnome
05:42<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
05:42<stevem__>i.e. don't wanna use gnome-desktop-environment
05:42<stevem__>jm_, yes thank you for spamming that channel - that I already know
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05:43<jm_>thanks for letting that channel know about that in time
05:44<stevem__>avu, it's silly things like gnome-volume-manager has totem, gthumb, nautilus-cd-burner, and sound-juicer as recommends!
05:44<stevem__>they don't directly have anything to do with it
05:45<avu>if you really think that this is wrong (and can say about more about why), report a wishlist bug or something
05:45<avu>until then, I just told you how to diable automatic installation of recommendations
05:46<stevem__>I just think they are more 'suggests'
05:46<stevem__>avu, is that a command or something?
05:46<stevem__>or a setting in a file?
05:46<avu>t's something to put in your apt.conf
05:46<stevem__>right ok
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05:48<stevem__>well thats more a directory - just make a new file in it?
05:48<avu>no it isn't
05:48<avu>you can use apt.conf.d too, yes
05:49<jm_>or you could ask dpkg - but maybe you don't want to be spammed again
05:49<stevem__>jm_, it's just trigger happy and it really annoys me
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05:50<petemc>you must have very little else to get annoyed about
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05:50<avu>!confuse stevem__
05:50<dpkg>No, what was our pineapple yesterday, stevem__? breeches of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra herring
05:52<stevem__>why are the recommends packages installed by default? is there a thread that talks about the rationale of that - seems to go against the very name... recommends not depends
05:53<avu>that's why you can easily turn it off.
05:54<avu>!start an install-recommends war
05:54<dpkg>apt-get now installs a minesweeper when I told it to install bacula. *sob*
05:54<jm_>probably thinking like so: it's helpful for inexperienced users, but those who hate it usually know how to turn it off
05:55<stevem__>avu, I'm soooo sorry if whats going through my mind is a done-to-death conversation
05:55<stevem__>so I'll just stfu instead
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06:10<k1lumin4t1>is there any free software mailing list solution web-oriented?
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06:13<petemc>k1lumin4t1: a web orientated mailing list?
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06:14<petemc>most mlm have ways to show the archives on the web
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06:15<sassi>hey iam having trouble getting my xserver to work iam a pretty new to this any suggestions on were to lookup help for this ?
06:15<madroach>hi! My /var/log/syslog in sarge is not beeing rotatet. Is this supposed to be done by logrotate or by savelog + syslogd-listfiles ?
06:16<jm_>you need to explain your problem and someone might be able to help sassi
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06:16<jm_>madroach: check in cronjobs
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06:17<sassi>okey my problem is when i boot my system i get this msg could not start X server and then the dialog stats that it cant find any screens or something.
06:17<jm_>in lenny it's done via savelog
06:18<jm_>check X logfile in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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06:20<sassi>stats fatal server error no screens found
06:20<sassi>it says*
06:20<k1lumin4t1>petemc, yes. But that only relies on a webserver for it
06:21<sassi>dose that "mean" i dont have any monitors plugged in or something.
06:21<petemc>k1lumin4t1: you'll find most things, if you want to put them on the web, need a web server
06:22<jm_>no, you need to check other parts of the log - that is just a consequence of a previous error
06:22<sassi>well it also says no devices detected
06:22<sassi>(EE) No devices detected
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06:23<jm_>paste the logifile on some pastebin
06:23<sassi>hmm gotta change computer then 1 moment
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06:26<jm_>why change?
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06:28<sassi>how should i else copy and paste the log? dont have a browster just a terminal as for now
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06:28<jm_>you can use or command line pastebin clients
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06:46<sassi2>i was the one with the x server problems uploaded the log.. here
06:46<Rattty>can someone help me with an offline kernel upgrade?
06:47<jm_>Rattty: most likely yes
06:47<Rattty>I dont think I need to compile one of my own
06:47<Rattty>I have 2.6.18 now
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06:47<jm_>sassi: what does lspci say for your gfx card?
06:47<Rattty>and my 3g modem wont work well with that
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06:48<Rattty>Oh Id have to reboot to debian for that
06:48<Rattty>its on same machine
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06:48<Rattty>shall I?
06:48<everettz>Looking for the article that explains why gnome 2.24 isn't in experimental or unstable. I had it once but lost it can can't find it on google.
06:48<sassi2>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0605 (rev a 2)
06:48<sassi2>thats what it says
06:48<Rattty>oups not for me ok :P
06:49<jm_>sassi: run update-piccids
06:49<jm_>then re-run lspci
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06:49<cahoot>Rattty: you know what kernel you need?
06:49<sassi2>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 9800 GT (rev a2)
06:49<Rattty>yes at least 2.6.20
06:49<jm_>you need nvidia driver for that card
06:49<cahoot>Rattty: etch or lenny?
06:50<sassi2>okey so after i installed the drivers it should work then
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06:52<cahoot>Rattty: a temporary eth connection isn't an option?
06:52<Rattty>not in an easy way that I can think of :-\
06:52<cahoot>Rattty: if it is I'd try an upgrade to etch-n-half
06:52<Rattty>I have wlan card not installed that I could possibly use to hijack a connection
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06:53<Rattty>or setup laptop as router
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06:53<sassi2>jm_: okey tryed to install the drivers but it says no precomplied kernel was found bla bla.. so i hafto change kernel or something ?
06:53<Rattty>that looks good :D
06:53<cahoot>Rattty: but I suspect it will need some deps
06:53<jm_>sassi2: no, just follow the lower part of the document where it explains how you compile your own module using m-a
06:54<Rattty>but its more than just dpkg -i,, yeah you sai dit :P
06:54<Rattty>(I suspect)
06:54<jm_>Rattty: not really
06:54<jm_>well depending if you need firmware or somesuch
06:55<Rattty>I think I already have that for the 3g modem
06:55<cahoot>Rattty: huawei ?
06:55<Rattty>yeah e220
06:55<Rattty>Ive tried a couple of things with 2.6.18 but it doesnt seem to work
06:56<cahoot>Rattty: you could always dl the kernel-image and see if dpkg complains
06:56<Rattty>yes I have it now, thanks for help :)
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06:57<pingouin_>what can i use to create an dvd structure to burn it later, to be read in 'classic' dvd player ?
06:57<jm_>dvdauthor is one app
06:58<petemc>apt-cache search dvd author lists a few
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06:59<sassi2>jm_: getting some errors when i run the m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source cmd
06:59<jm_>sassi2: like?
06:59<sassi2>ah dident read below :P ill try again
07:01<sassi2>fails here now
07:02<jm_>is your networking working? do you have non-free in sources.list?
07:03<sassi2>ofc my network is working and non-free should not be in my list since i dont want to pay right
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07:04<jm_>haha now that's QOTD material
07:04<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
07:04<jm_>the first statements explains why it's in non-free, it's got nothing to do with "paying"
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07:05<sassi2>well to much work ill trow in a other gfx and test my luck that way :/ or something.
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07:05<jm_>as you wish
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07:05<sassi2>:) hope ati is better.. thx and cya
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07:05<jm_>dream on
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07:27<pingouin_>jm_: petemc thanks for the clue
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07:46<abyss>anyone can help me to get an shell command like: echo 'text' >> file with the current date in front?
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07:46<abyss>echo date + 'text' >> file didnt do it
07:46<koollman>abyss: echo $( date ) 'text' >> file
07:46<abyss>koollman, thank you a lot
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07:47<koollman>abyss: 'date' is a command outputting the current date, the $( .. ) syntax means 'take the output of whatever is inside, and use it as an argument'
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07:48<neo>hi all
07:48<abyss>ah nevermind!
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07:49<neo>anyone wants to help me with iwl4965 driver pls?
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07:49<gsimmons>neo: What specific help do you require?
07:50<neo>i got etch and a half with 2.6.24 working,
07:50<neo>iwl4965 installed, and driver seems to not work at all
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07:51<neo>lsmod gives me mac80211 and iwl4965 working, but nothing happens
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07:51<neo>dont know what could be a problem at all...
07:51<neo>installed firmware, everything...
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07:53<themill>neo: modprobe -r iwl4695 ; modprobe iwl4695 ; dmesg
07:54<themill>err... s/4695/4965/ :(
07:55<neo>dmesg> iwl4965: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN driver for Linux, 1.1.17ks
07:55<neo>iwl4965: Copyright(c) 2003-2007 Intel Corporation
07:55<neo>ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:0b:00.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17
07:55<neo>PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:0b:00.0 to 64
07:55<neo>iwl4965: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN
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07:55<themill>dpkg: tell neo about paste
07:56<neo>strange... everything seems 2 work just fine...
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07:56<themill>neo: so what did you expect to happen and what didn't happen?
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07:57<neo>i turn it on, and nothing happens.led doesnt work, try iwlist wlan0 sc, gives no result
07:58<neo>like its there but doesnt work
07:58<dpkg>Many wireless drivers (including the ipw* and iwl* drivers) will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work.
07:58<themill>neo: ^^
07:58<neo>im sorry?
07:59<neo>well this seems 2 be true... but how i fix that
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08:01<neo>(btw., laptop is dell xpsM1530)
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08:06<neo>so, do i need 2 upgrade my kernel or..?
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08:10<lobo>hola curso de redes
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08:11<neo>themill, any suggestions pls?
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08:11<themill>neo: you're the one with your keyboard in front of you -- only you can find the kill switch if that's the problem.
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08:12<neo>yes, but i dont know how to do it exactly... never met with that kind of prob...
08:12<neo>sorry to waste your time man..
08:12<petemc>you dont know how to press function f2 ?
08:12<petemc>press and hold the fn button, then press the f2 button
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08:12<neo>but it doesnt help..
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08:13<OdyX>physical switch on the side of the laptop ?
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08:13<neo>hate those grrr
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08:13<cahoot>neo: dual boot?
08:13<neo>yes :)
08:14<neo>nice pick :P
08:14<themill>doesn't iwlwifi complain about the kill switch in dmesg? (not we saw neo's dmesg because he didn't use a pastebin...)
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08:15<neo>dmesg says unknown key pressed (for fn+F2)
08:15<neo>(i dont know how to paste it here)
08:16<themill>It's not necessarily Fn+F2 though.
08:16<xrm>win 6
08:16<themill>neo: can you *pastebin* the output of: modprobe -r iwl4965 ; modprobe iwl4965 ; dmesg ; iwconfig ; ifconfig -a
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08:17<OdyX>neo: make sure that your physical switch is on the "wifi is on" position
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08:19<neo>its on...
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08:25<cahoot>neo: this might be on the wrong track - but - you do have the correct firmware in place?
08:25<Ikarus>Anyone know what image I need to grab to write to a USB stick to run a ia64 install from it ?
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08:25<neo>cahoot: its firmware-iwlwifi (card is intel4965)
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08:27<cahoot>neo: right
08:27<Ikarus>or is there no hd-media for ia64 yet ?
08:27<neo>i dont says kill switch must be turned off for wifi to work... ftw..
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08:28<themill>Ikarus: are you sure you want ia64 and not amd64? (99.99% of people who come in here asking about ia64 really want amd64)
08:28<Ikarus>how the hell did I make that little mistake :)
08:29<Ikarus>(oh, I know, Intel indoctrination....)
08:29<jm_>har har
08:29<Ikarus>jm_: if Intel calls it Intel 64 bit extensions on every bloody piece of paper....
08:29<enouf>ia == itanium arch :-p
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08:30<jm_>Ikarus: they don't want to admit defeat, even if it's just marketing related
08:30<enouf>heh, and price/cost related ..
08:30<Ikarus>enouf: well, costwise this box was 30% cheaper then a similair performing AMD box
08:31<Ikarus>ofcourse it is the cheapest box you can get with 4 cores
08:31<enouf>Ikarus: it's not ia64 either :-)
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08:40<neo>so, any new suggestions? i tried i think whole keyboard to find that killswitch, nothing worked...
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08:42<neo>reading on google that it might be a bug...
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08:44<kapil>neo, perhaps this means that you need modprobe option rfkill=0
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08:46<neo>nope... still doesnt work...arghhh
08:48<neo>should i try kernel upgrade?
08:48<kapil>is there a physical switch somewhere on your device. i know the dell's have one for example.
08:48<neo>yes, it is...on the right side
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08:49<neo>i read on sourcelabs that guy turned acpi off and then it worked for
08:50<cahoot>neo: if you toggle it - any signs of change in dmesg?
08:50<kapil>there is also a sysfs file for the wireless device which is called rfkill or some such
08:50<doudou>when i open a file with iceweasel, sometimes it propose xpdf, but sometimes it propose only to download, what is wrong?
08:51<themill>doudou: the remote site is sending a funny header for the pdf.
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08:52<neo>cahoot: i pasted dmesg 30mins ago, but now its changed... it says usb hum on when i toggle it
08:52<kapil>neo: some file like /sys/class/net/{wlan0,wmaster0}/rf*
08:52<jm_>doudou: wget or HEAD will show the mime-type
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08:54<doudou>jm_ so, it comes from the server? iceweasel do not reconnize ".pdf" but only read the server mime type?
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08:55<kapil>neo, if the file has a 1 make it a 0 with echo 0 > name_of_file
08:56<doudou>themill excuse i did not saw your answer, i cant do anything more?
08:56<doudou>why ie handles this correctly?
08:56<doudou>i suppose ie does, i left win for about 3 years
08:57<themill>doudou: I don't believe so. IE is braindead in this regard and blatantly ignores instructions from the server when it shouldn't do.
08:58<doudou>themill, how can i iceweasels links to mime-types? maybe i need to add some frequent mistakes?
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08:58<doudou>excuse, how can i check mime-type handling by iceweasel
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08:59<doudou>maybe i have enought information to search now, thanks
09:00<doudou>do you know where i can find concrete examples of uml analysis? i read uml method but it is very heavy
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09:00<themill>doudou: it's not the mime-type that's the problem. It's that the (mime) header also contains "Content-disposition: attachment; filename=blah.pdf" which provokes "save" rather than "open" behaviour. (s/inline/attachment/ to get "open" instead)
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09:03<doudou>themill i suppose that iceweasel could read the header and propose somethink even if it is not conform to standards
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09:06<jm_>doudou: yes
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09:08<doudou>thanks, i understood, maybe there is a plugin that when you ask to save a file that you may be able to open could propose to save but also to open it?
09:08<jm_>I always get save/open with prompt, it's only a matter of selecting open with choice
09:09<doudou>but it looses the choice of xpdf
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09:09<doudou>i must leave, thanks
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09:11<munga_>not very debian specific : how can I convince dar (the backup tool) not to backup all directories that contain a .nobackup file ?
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09:19<Lenhix>Check dar's documentation
09:19<josias_>boa tarde
09:20<Lenhix>Does dar support that kind of option? (not making backups of directories with a .nobackup file, or a list of directories to not make backup of)
09:20<Lenhix>josias_: here is english only
09:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:21<munga_>Lenhix: I did, it seems you can exlude files with -X and directories with -P, but it's not clear to me how to exclude a entire directory if it contains a file .nobackup...
09:21<josias_>como instalar o portugues
09:22<munga_>Lenhix: maybe it does not, but maybe I'm missing something ... like a smart wild card
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09:28<Lenhix>If that option isn't available I think you'll have to add those dirs to the -P option manually
09:28<Lenhix>Perhaps you can send a feat. req.
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09:36<twobitsp1ite>is there a command to get all the info about my ram? i.e., make/model/speed, etc?
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09:37<gsimmons>!tell twobitsp1ite -about myram
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09:40<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:46<elias>Hello! How can I use on an etch distro ?
09:46<elias>(I tried adding : deb etch all )
09:46<weasel> is a search engine
09:46<elias>but it couldn't apt-get update
09:46<weasel>it's not the ftp archive
09:46<OdyX>elias: what are you trying to do ?
09:46<elias>!wow! thanks
09:46<dpkg>i heard debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
09:46<mikexcr>from you can download packages ;-)
09:46<elias>I am trying to install figlet!
09:47<elias>but apt-get install figlet responds as:
09:47<OdyX>elias: are you on etch ?
09:47<mikexcr>aptitude install figlet? ;)
09:47<elias>yes OdyX
09:47<elias>debian:~# apt-get install figlet
09:47<elias>Reading package lists... Done
09:47<elias>Building dependency tree... Done
09:47<elias>Package figlet is not available, but is referred to by another package.
09:47<elias>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
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09:47<gsimmons>!tell elias -about paste
09:47<gsimmons>!tell elias -about non-free sources
09:48<mikexcr>elias: download figlet from for lenny
09:48<elias>? gsimmons, can you explain ?
09:48<OdyX>mikexcr: badidea...
09:49<elias>I agree!
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09:49<gsimmons>elias: Did you receive private messages from dpkg? Read them. You need to amend your /etc/apt/sources.list file to reference non-free sources, prior to using your package manager, in order to install figlet.
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09:50<mikexcr>OdyX: why? or... try download figlet .deb from and dpkg -i .deb
09:51<elias>can you give me one more cent? :) how can I reference non-free sources?
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09:51<OdyX>mikexcr: he is on etch...
09:51<mikexcr> -> debian non-free repositories
09:52<OdyX>mikexcr: and this doesn't solve the dependencies...
09:52<mikexcr>OdyX: ouhh yeah... that's true...
09:52<OdyX>mikexcr: Debian has a package manager for good reasons...
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09:53<mikexcr>btw, what's figlet?
09:53<twobitsp1ite>aptitude shows the version of kdebase to be "4:3.5.9" does that mean it's kde4?
09:54<gsimmons>twobitsp1ite: No.
09:54<gsimmons>!tell twobitsp1ite -about epoch
09:54<BlueG>How soon is Lenny becoming the new stable? If you install Lenny testing now, from the rc2 netinst cd, will it continue to track Lenny when it becomes stable rather than moving to the new testing?
09:55<OdyX>BlueG: if you have "lenny" in your sources.list yes
09:55<Lenhix>As long as you keep "lenny" in your sources.list rather than "stable"
09:55<OdyX>BlueG: target release date is St-Valentine
09:55<Lenhix>Really? Wow :)
09:55<OdyX>BlueG: but can be + 1 week or + 1 month...
09:56<dpkg>i guess rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate
09:56<BlueG>ok, but that is the default, to have lenny in sources.list, right
09:56<twobitsp1ite>gsimmons: ahh, thanks
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10:19<josias_>como usar o debian
10:20<josias_>por favor
10:20<josias_>e o xchat-gnome irc
10:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:22<josias_>mas eu ñ sei como usar o debian-br alguem pode me ajudar
10:22<OdyX>josias_: type /j #debian-br
10:22<Lenhix>josias_: /join #debian-br
10:23<Lenhix>(that should work on every IRC client, hehe)
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10:23<josias_>este hehe conheço e vc dielly
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10:24<lintian>hi, i have to find a file on all usb disks connected to my computer, what's the right way to do that ?
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10:27<themill>monicamira: /join #debian-es
10:28<OdyX>monicamira: por favor.. este canal esta para inglès solo.
10:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:32<themill>monicamira: please stop
10:32<k1lumin4t1>is there any opensource solution for mailing lists that's completele web oriented? I mean, something I can put up just with a Web server and a DB server
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10:32<monicamira>ya lose
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10:33<monicamira>te odio
10:33<themill>!ops please help monicamira find somewhere else to play
10:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: please help monicamira find somewhere else to play
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10:35<astronut>k1lumin4t1: you need a mail server?
10:35<samanta>runrhnekbwuy ntm
10:35<k1lumin4t1>astronut, no. A webapp that does something like a mail list
10:35<astronut>k1lumin4t1: no, i mean how do you expect to recieve mail without a mail server?
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10:37<k1lumin4t1>astronut, a mailing list needs a mail server mandatory?
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10:37<themill>thanks, Hydroxide
10:38<astronut>k1lumin4t1: yes - otherwise how does it get the email?
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10:38<astronut>unless apache added a mod_smtpd that i'm not aware of
10:39<k1lumin4t1>astronut, haha, yes
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10:41<binarymutant>when Lenny becomes stable (Feb 14?) what will the new unstable be called?
10:41<sander_m>Hi. Does anyone happen to know if the "OpenContent License" is DFSG-free? Section 1 of the OCL says that you may not charge a fee to access the content licensed under the OCL.
10:41<themill>binarymutant: unstable doesn't change name. testing will be known as squeeze.
10:41<sander_m>Google isn't very helpful in finding old dicussions on this
10:41<binarymutant>cool, thanks themill
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10:45<sander_m>themill: Thanks. Your google skills are better than mine. Unfortunately that thread does not answer the question
10:46<astronut>sounds non-free to mefrom the quotes but i'm not 100% sure of the context from which they were quotes
10:46<themill>sander_m: google terms: "open content licence"
10:46<sander_m>themills: Thanks :-)
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10:56<Hydroxide>sander_m: any license that forbids charging a fee to access the content is not DFSG-free. however the recipients who pay you the fee need to have the right to redistribute the content without charging a fee or paying the person they themselves got it from
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10:57<sander_m>Hydroxide: That's what I though. I already dound a thread on debian-legal that says the OCL is non-free
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11:08<Ikarus>hrm, no support for installing to raid 1 in the buisnesscard iso ?
11:10<petemc>depends on the raid
11:10<valdyn>sander_m: that license makes it pretty much undistributable on physical media
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11:11<Ikarus>petemc: for anti-vendor lock in I was planning on using software raid
11:11<petemc>you can do that
11:11<petemc>business card just doesnt have the base system, or ppp support
11:11<valdyn>sander_m: or I should say "just that Section 1 excerpt", it might list exceptions..
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11:11<Ikarus>petemc: hrm, not spotting the option in the installer and I know it used to be there
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11:12<EmleyMoor>Ikarus: Just define some partitions as physical volumes for RAID and then you'll see them
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11:13<sander_m>valdyn: It says you may charge for distribution on physical media. But it says that you may not charge for access through e.g. the internet. So, definitely not DFSG-free. And I found a thread from 2005 that says so as well
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11:15<sander_m>What is a goof, DFSG-compliant documentation license BTW? Because it seems that may have problems, like CreativeCommons, GFDL, OCL, etcetera
11:17<Hydroxide>sander_m: based on a Debian-wide vote, the GFDL without invariant sections is DFSG-free. the Creative Commons BY-3.0 and BY-SA-3.0 licenses are also DFSG-free. you can also use the GPL or most other software licenses - they work fine usually for documentation. there's often even a source format if you use something like docbook or latex
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11:17<Hydroxide>sander_m: you might want to see if you can use the same license that the software which the documentation applies to uses
11:18<sander_m>Hydroxide: That would be AGPLv3 in my case
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11:20<Hydroxide>sander_m: in that case, I'd suggest using the GPLv3 for your license, since it's explicitly compatible with the AGPLv3 based on language in both documents. or you could use the AGPLv3 directly if you like the additional provision.
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11:23<sander_m>Hydroxide: Thanks I'll consider it. The software I'm writing is being funded under the provision that it's licensed under the AGPLv3 and the docs under the OCL. While I have no problem with the AGPLv3 I did think that the OCL may cause trouble. Nothing prevents me from dual or triple licensing the source or docs but I prefer to not deal with too many licenses at the same time. I'll think about GPLv3 for the docs.
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11:30<bgat>can anyone tell me how to get Keyspan serial adapters working under lenny?
11:30<valdyn>!which driver
11:30<dpkg>driver locator is, like, To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into
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11:33<bgat>valdyn: acutally, Keyspan serial adapters are USB devices
11:34<valdyn>its somewhere in the debian wiki, for usb too
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11:35<valdyn>bgat: or /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.usbmap
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11:36<Stuckey>Does anyone know how you can take screenshots with mplayer? I've done it before but I can't seem to remember how now...
11:37<valdyn>Stuckey: thats in the manpage
11:37<Stuckey>valdyn: No it isn't
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11:38<equipo02-06>como estas!!
11:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:38<equipo02-06>alguien caliente en la red???
11:38<equipo02-06>alguien que me complasca
11:39<path>equipo02-06, vete a joder a otro lado
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11:39<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
11:39<OdyX>!tell equipo02-06 -about es
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11:39<gsimmons>bgat: You may require firmware for your device. You can acquire this from the linux-firmware GIT (;a=tree;f=keyspan;hb=HEAD).
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11:40<bgat>hmmm. I tried Google again, and found this page:
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11:53<bgat>regarding the link above, I'm on an amd64 platform and I'm unsure what to do with the source packages. can anyone help?
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11:55<petemc>bgat: there looks to be a deb for amd64 on that page
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11:55<petemc>oh, for etch - you're on lenny?
11:55<bgat>petemc: yea, I'm on lenny.
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11:59<bgat>if I untar the keyspan_1.26.1.tar.gz file, I find a debian/rules in there. But I can't seem to tell it anything that produces an amd64 .deb.
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12:01<hairy-slutboy>hello guys, how can i format my USB?
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12:03*simonrvn dislikes ask and run away questions...
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12:04<bgat>hairy-slutboy: sudo rm -rf /
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12:05<Hydroxide>bgat: 10-minute timeout. dont' tell people to do that.
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12:07<Hydroxide>(anyone who didn't already know: that will start wiping out your entire Linux system if you run it and provide the password to sudo, or are already root when you run it.)
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12:09<fxiny>i wonder why that command never ask for confirmation , in the 2009 year ...
12:09<fxiny>it should
12:09<fxiny>with a LARGE warning
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12:11<fxiny>if not rm at least that crap thing called sudo
12:11<shibin>is someone their
12:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:12<Scurz>I'm trying xen, so, I installed the kernel 2.6.18-4-xen-686, see the menu.lst : ; but the kernel doesn't boot, any ideas why ? I normally installed all needed packages...
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12:13<EmleyMoor>Scurz: At what point does the kernel fail?
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12:13<netzwurm>hm. didn't iceweasel use to be able to print selections on websites?
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12:14<Scurz>EmleyMoor: I think it tries to boot, after the bootloader, but I can't see because it's on a dedicated server...
12:14<shibin>my friend installed debian etch and now he cant boot into the system it show an error :
12:14<shibin>PXE-E61: Media test failure, check cable
12:14<shibin>PXE-061: Media test failure, check cable
12:14<shibin>PXE-M0F: Exiting Intel PXE ROM
12:15<shibin>can some tell what went wrong ?
12:15<EmleyMoor>shibin: Check he's booting disk, not just network
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12:15<shibin>boot priority is set to hdd
12:16<EmleyMoor>shibin: Did he install a boot loader?
12:16<shibin>yes gurb
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12:16<Scurz>EmleyMoor: no idea?
12:16<EmleyMoor>shibin: To the mbr?
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12:17<EmleyMoor>Scurz: No - hard to tell without seeing it
12:17<shibin>i didnt get it
12:17<ben_>i m looking for a girl
12:17<bgat>Hydroxide: can I go play now? I promise not to hit little h.s. again. :)
12:17<Scurz>EmleyMoor: sure...
12:17<shibin>to the mbr means
12:17<ben_>a girl?
12:17<Hydroxide>bgat: yeah :) I just don't want people in #debian telling other people in #debian commands that would wreck their systems
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12:18<EmleyMoor>shibin: Did he install it to hda/sda or hda1/sda1?
12:18<Hydroxide>bgat: I did say 10 minutes, and I meant 10 minutes. :) [Yes the timing was automated.]
12:18<shibin>i really dont know that
12:18<bgat>I know. ;)
12:18<shibin>i think it is sda
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12:19<OdyX>fxiny: look to safe-rm
12:19<EmleyMoor>shibin: It ought to work then...
12:19<shibin>again i didnt get it
12:20<fxiny>OdyX: in etch ? can't find it
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12:20<OdyX>fxiny: ack.. in Lenny :-)
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12:21<fxiny>OdyX: good news , then :)
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12:21<EmleyMoor>shibin: If it never worked, I'd try again
12:22<EmleyMoor>shibin: Are you sure the disk still works?
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12:22<shibin>before installing debian he had installed ubuntu 8.XX it worked fine
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12:23<ToreadorVampire>Hey all - what would be the best way for me to see how specific stuff has changed between etch and lenny?
12:23<shibin>what would have gone wrong??
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12:23<EmleyMoor>shibin: Maybe it broke.
12:24<shibin>no it is not broken
12:24<ToreadorVampire>I'm looking at using apache2 mod_disk_cache and it seems that the version in etch is an older/development version - was wondering if it has had a significant upgrade in lenny ...
12:24<EmleyMoor>shibin: How do you know?
12:25<shibin>because in the bios it identified the hdd by name
12:25<ToreadorVampire>And I could probably find out if I could just browse some of the default .conf files in the apache2 package for lenny ... but where would I find that? (rather than downloading/installing it)
12:25<kapil>ToreadorVampire: look at the changelog
12:25<EmleyMoor>shibin: That proves little
12:25<ToreadorVampire>kapil> Excellent ... where would I fin that? ;)
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12:25<stevem_>Lo, I'm trying to make Fn+F8 work on my dell lappy - so I installed hotkeys-setup so it gives it a code... and now it doesn't moan in dmesg
12:25<EmleyMoor>shibin: I'd try installing again
12:25<shibin>and also it was working fine before installing debian
12:25<stevem_>but I've no idea what it's been 'called' so I can add it in metacity via gconf-editor
12:25<stevem_>to run xrandr --auto
12:25<EmleyMoor>Before before before... we are now after
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12:26<shibin>he tried installing it more than 5 times
12:26<kapil>ToreadorVampire: there is a link on the page mentioned by koollman
12:26<ToreadorVampire>Thanks, just spotted it :)
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12:26<kapil>with the title "Debian changelog"
12:27<EmleyMoor>OK - well, all I can suggest is that he missed something vital - but as it seems to be doing nothing it's hard to tell what
12:27<silent>please email to Linus Torvalds
12:28<shibin>is their anything that i can tell him to do
12:28<Hydroxide>silent: that's not a debian-related question, and the answer is easy to find out with google
12:28<Hydroxide>silent: just search for 'linus torvalds email'
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12:30<shibin>thank you EmleyMoor for the time.
12:30<ToreadorVampire>Hmm, looks like nothing new ... oh well - thanks :)
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12:31<administrator>hallo Leute
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12:32<busyfingers>can i ask for help with setting up a wireless connection on etch, i'm a noob so please bear with me
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12:33<gsimmons>busyfingers: What wireless device do you have?
12:34<busyfingers>its a sit4ecom usb adaptor
12:34<busyfingers>sorry that shoud read sitecome.
12:35<busyfingers>) without the e at th end)
12:35<gsimmons>busyfingers: Can you be more specific? A model number and hardware version/revision (if known) would assist.
12:36<busyfingers>its a 54g turbo. is that any help; to you?
12:38<gsimmons>busyfingers: Not really. A product ID may be written somewhere on your device. Otherwise, install the "usbutils" package, run "update-usbids && lsusb" (as root) and provide this output at a paste site.
12:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:39<busyfingers>ok i'll look at the device, i dont feel comfortable with commandline work yet.
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12:40<twobitsp1ite>did ATI ever open source their drivers?
12:41<busyfingers>gsimmons, , i have a product number on the device, is that more hel;pfull to you?
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12:41<twobitsp1ite>I remember a year or so ago news that AMD was going to it
12:41<gsimmons>busyfingers: Unless it begins with "WL", no.
12:41<enouf>!radeon vs radeonhd
12:41<dpkg><radeon> project started under non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, second project, <radeonhd> started (from scratch) with focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at:
12:42<busyfingers>it does,here goes....WL-172 v1 001
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12:45<norrs>Hey. I was wondering if anyone could assist me on creating an init.d script
12:45<norrs>I used the skeleton provided in /etc/init.d and inserted the correct variables at top of script. Tho, I get this lovley error which doesn't make sense for me:
12:46<norrs>(as script run's fine if I just copy and paste the $daemon $daemon_args that I print out..)
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12:46<gsimmons>busyfingers: AFAICT, your device uses a Ralink RT2501USB (rt73) chipset. For Etch, you'll need to install both a driver and firmware. Follow the procedure at , let us know if you encounter difficulties.
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12:48<busyfingers>gsimmons, thank you kindly for that advice, i;ll follow that up and see how things progress/
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13:45<piotrusbor>somebody is hear
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13:49<Valtiel-ASD>it's to late
13:50<fxiny>typical omat
13:50<fxiny>they log in and out in a minute
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14:05<NickUK>Hello, I am currently having problems running some games, I am getting low FPS for example on Guild Wars on login screen it is very blocky and very bad FPS
14:05<NickUK>However in Windows it runs just fine all my hardware is supported by Guild Wars
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14:06<mikexcr>wine? cedega?
14:06<OdyX>NickUK: glxinfo | grep direct
14:06<mikexcr>maybe try cedega
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14:08<NickUK>direct rendering : Yes
14:08<NickUK>However it runs perfect in windows no problems
14:08<NickUK>and cedega is another version of linux?
14:08<dpkg>rumour has it, cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or and the packaging saga summarised at
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14:09<kabarsedge>NickUK, cedega is a type of emulator that allows you to run Windows programs on a linux box
14:09<NickUK>So i can install this with apt-get?
14:09<simonrvn>it's basically wine + some extra code aded on by transgaming ...
14:09<kabarsedge>no, it's a product you must purchase
14:10<NickUK>Looks like a download then xD
14:10<kabarsedge>but I've always felt it worth the money if you run Linux as your primary desktop
14:10<Valtiel-ASD>this is proprietary
14:10<NickUK>Well i will download it
14:10<avu>NickUK, not download. buy.
14:10<NickUK>Then if it works
14:10<NickUK>I will buy it
14:10<NickUK>If it does not work then no need for me to buy it
14:10<kabarsedge>it works, trust me, what apps are you looking to run?
14:11<NickUK>Guild Wars
14:11<NickUK>things like that
14:11<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
14:11<simonrvn>avu: thank you. you saved my eyes from being burned up
14:11<Valtiel-ASD>NickUK: Half-Life i use on wine good
14:11<Valtiel-ASD>worck correctly
14:11<kabarsedge>NickUK: Half-Life runs great on it, I haven't played the others
14:11<Valtiel-ASD>and WarCraft 3 tft
14:12<Lenhix>!wtf tft
14:12<dpkg>Gee... I don't know what tft means...
14:12<Valtiel-ASD>and Counter-Strike Source
14:12<NickUK>This laptop i dont think will play source
14:12<NickUK>it isnt the fastest laptop going
14:12<Valtiel-ASD>The Frozen Throne
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14:12<NickUK>128mb of Video ram plays 1.6 goode
14:13<Valtiel-ASD>i download an free codevavers croccover
14:13<NickUK>I have crossover for games
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14:13<Valtiel-ASD>1 day it's was free for downloading
14:13<NickUK>Which works great acsept on Guild Wars and Silkroad
14:13<NickUK>Yes thats how i got it there servers were overloaded quite bad at one point
14:13<Valtiel-ASD>and don't need license bayng
14:14<NickUK>So i saved them the trouble of wasting extra bandwidth and downloaded it from another place because there site was so clogged
14:15<NickUK>So can somebody tell me what this Application i am grabbing at the moment does
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14:16<NickUK>Also if somebody could also help me, I have lost my bottom bar and having to use ALT+Tab or by adding to my top bar a little drop down bar showing what applications i have running.
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14:17<Lenhix>You could press Alt+f2 and execute the desktop manager control panel to check what happened to your bottom bar
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14:20<NickUK>well i removed it when i put avant window manager on here
14:20<NickUK>but i dont know how to get it back
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14:28<simonrvn>NickUK: we already did tell you
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14:28<beer>Hi. I just installed debian sid/experimental with xserver 1.6 on my laptop. And I hvae installed nvidia driver blob but failes to start. Then I have read a bit and lookes like if I ignore ABI check I can get x running iwht the blob but I dont know how to ignore it
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14:29<simonrvn>/lastlog cedega
14:29<NickUK>I have this Cedega installed now but it has made nothing to FPS/Lag in-game how do i make it work
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14:29<NickUK>IM a bit of a linux noob
14:30<simonrvn>you use it to launch the windows app on your linux install
14:30<NickUK>So i reinstall my-game?
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14:32<NickUK>ahh.. Got it
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14:55*Christmas bye all, cya later
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15:13<NickUK>Hello, I am having problems with Cedega, When ever i press MOUNT On my guild wars disc it does nothing
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15:25<ethaniel>I've been using Debian for a few days, I finaly fixed the issue with the time (it was Windows fault), but I'm curious for all the info that shows up when Debian is booting. Is there a way to read that info, some kind of log or something?
15:26<petern>/var/log/dmesg, for some of it
15:26<adama>ethaniel: man dmesg
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15:28<ethaniel>Excellent, thanks.
15:28<dkr>ethaniel: also /var/log/messages has a lot of it (with timestamps added!) :)
15:29<dkr>also, while booting you can hit ^s to stop the screen from scrolling (and use shift-pageup/down to move around) and ^q to quontinue
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15:38<pirdon>як можна встановити xfce
15:38<ethaniel>I added a "1024x600" resolution to X, and it's working great, but for some reason the fonts are smaller now. I had to override font settings in Iceweasel to see something and adjust font size in XFCE. Did I missed something?
15:38<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
15:39<pirdon>nepanima we
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15:41<ethaniel>This comes from a "Windows-tainted" mind, but is there a DPI adjustment, maybe?
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15:42<adama>ethaniel: you can put a dpi setting in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf, in the "Device" section for your video device. Put these 2 lines:
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15:43<dr|z3d>ethaniel: Sure there's a DPI adjuster for Linux. Xfce will allow you to customize that in the Window Manager settings.
15:43<adama>Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE"
15:43<adama>Option "DPI" "96 x 96"
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15:43<adama>is how I did it anyways
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15:45<Kuifje>hello all
15:46<ethaniel>I must admit, I feel like having eight again. I learn something new about Debian every day. :P
15:46<Kuifje>i want to install netcat, is it included in the repositories of apt-get?
15:46<jw_>Kufije: apt-get search netcat
15:46<dkr>Kuifje: why not try? :)
15:47<dkr>or aptitude search netcat
15:47<themill>judd versions netcat
15:47<judd>themill: netcat -- etch: 1.10-32 lenny: 1.10-38 sid: 1.10-38
15:47<Kuifje>not a valid operation
15:47<dkr>Kuifje: use aptitude
15:48<dkr>he typo'd
15:48<dkr>or, just use "install" rather than search
15:48<jw_>i did
15:48<Kuifje>also illegal operation
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15:48<dkr>are you root?
15:48<Kuifje>never mind
15:48<Kuifje>and found it
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15:54<Kuifje>another question, how do I uninstall software which I haven't installed via a package manager?
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15:54<Phroon>Ok, I was a moron when I installed Debian on my ancient laptop; I deselected "Standard system". Is there a way to install that whole group of packages later with aptitude, or will I have to either install each package manually or should I just do a complete re-install?
15:54<Kuifje>where does it save the software?
15:55<dkr>Kuifje: some software might include an uninstall option, e.g. make uninstall
15:55<Kuifje>somewhere in /dev/?
15:55<Lenhix>Nope, I don't think any software messes with dev other than udev
15:55<dkr>Kuifje: more likely /usr/local
15:55<themill>Phroon: just run "tasksel"
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15:57<antonio>ciao ha tutti
15:57<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:05<Phroon>themill: Thanks, it wasn't on the list but that gave me enough to figure it out.
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16:06<antonio>quale il canale italiano?
16:06<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:16<NickUK>hi, I am currently having problems with the Cedega everytime i goto install Guild Wars i get the error
16:16<NickUK>Failed To launch installer processe
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16:23<jstein>hi, my console cant display utf-8 chars. Which is the right way in debian testing to install an utf-8 font (and which should i take?)
16:25<valdyn>jstein: thats not completely possible
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16:28<josias_>boa noite
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16:50<partha>hello I am having problems on using ubuntu archives with debian synaptic package manager
16:51<partha>on adding the repositories I get the error message
16:51<partha>W: GPG error: jaunty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
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16:51<partha>please can someone help
16:51<blarson>!tell partha about ubuntu
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16:52<Javeir>Hi guys!
16:53<partha>thanks, I shall join ubuntu
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16:54<Javeir>I have a question regarding mount ... i have a second hard drive (hda6) mounted at /hd/old ... i want a folder on that hard drive, /hd/old/fun to be mounted on my main drive as /super/funtime ... how would i do that? mount?
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16:55<Cyorxamp>Hey are the MD5 sums for the new RC2 ISO's correct?
16:55<Cyorxamp>I've downloaded it twice now on two different servers and got two different MD5 sums than the one published at ...
16:56<Cyorxamp>can anyone confirm what they get for the first CD for AMD64?
16:56<jw_>Javeir: ln -s /hd/old/fun /super/funtime
16:56<jw_>Javeir: man ln
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16:56<Javeir>yea, i tried that, it doesnt'w ork for my purposes
16:57<jw_>Javeir: well you can't mount a directory on a drive, just the drive itself
16:58<Javeir>is there any other way than mount or synlinks to do it?
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16:58<jw_>Javeir: what's wrong with a symlink?
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17:10<raevol>does anyone use checkgmail? wondering how to set it up to use a proxy
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17:11<xxiao>raevol: why not use firefox's webmail,
17:12<raevol>does it have a tray applet?
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17:12<xxiao>raevol: i think yes
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17:12<xxiao>just give it a quick try...
17:15<raevol>the reviews are saying it doesn't, lots of people asking for that feature
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17:16<raevol>nope, doesnt have i
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17:19<EagleScreen>i have some new debian packages
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17:28<valdyn>ranix: gmail has pop3 and imap access
17:29<And1>How do I download a package via aptitude, compile it with non-standard parameters and then install it?
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17:30<dpkg>To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>.
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17:30<And1>Thanks dkr. :)
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17:53<Emanon>Every time I reboot I have to open ports, how does one permanently open ports on iptables?
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18:01<goodger>where are messages from init logged?
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18:03<abysed>you can type dmesg and itll show bootup stuff
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18:04<Myon>goodger: enable bootlogd in /etc/default/bootlogd
18:05<goodger>Myon: thanks
18:05<Myon>for kernel messages, see abysed
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18:05<goodger>I wanted the "Starting HTTP server... apache2."
18:05<goodger>so I can tell what's being output
18:06<Myon>that's not a kernel message
18:06<goodger>no, it's an init message
18:06<goodger>I hope
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18:07<gbp>does anyone know where I could find out any ways to improve xorg performance?
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18:14<pbdl>hello everyone
18:14<pbdl>i'm wondering if i can make a quick question. a bit basic, just to clear a doubt
18:14<dondelelcaro>pbdl: you just did; but you can ask more questions if you like.
18:15<pbdl>someone asked me what's the difference between installing lenny now, and when it's released. i said possibly some configuration difference. can there be anything else, like different packages?
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18:15<dondelelcaro>pbdl: the installer may be slightly different, but assuming you upgrade the packages and stay with lenny, there's not much difference
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18:17<dondelelcaro>pbdl: at least, at the end state. There is of course a difference between the state that lenny is now and the state that lenny will be in at the release.
18:17<pbdl>dondelelcaro: thank you very much. just to be clear, assume it was the beta installer with tons of fixes between that and the final. it's basically configuration, did it install the proper driver, that sort of thing right?
18:17<pbdl>dondelelcaro, yes besides date difference
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18:19<dondelelcaro>pbdl: pretty much; assuming the installer works for you now, there's no real point in worrying about it
18:19<dondelelcaro>pbdl: the main problem with installing lenny right now is that it doesn't have immediate security support
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18:20<pbdl>dondelelcaro: that's what i answered, except the security difference. But he's keeping stable i think, so i think i didn't mislead him too much :)
18:21<pbdl>dondelelcaro, again, thank you for the answer. appreciate it
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18:35<josias_>boa noite gente
18:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:37<josias_>como configurar compiz confusion no ubuntu
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18:43<jw_>Hi c4_
18:43<c4_>why modprobe can find saa7134-alsa ?? : lampa:/lib/modules/ modprobe saa7134-alsa
18:43<c4_>FATAL: Module saa7134_alsa not found.
18:43<c4_>lampa:/lib/modules/ ls
18:43<c4_>saa6752hs.ko saa7134-alsa.ko saa7134-dvb.ko saa7134-empress.ko saa7134.ko
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18:43<themill>dpkg: tell c4_ about paste
18:43<c4_>damn! sorry
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18:46<themill>c4_: I presume that's the kernel you're actually running?
18:46<c4_>mmmhh let me see that
18:46<themill>c4_: uname -r
18:47<c4_>themill: kernel version different module version?
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18:48<c4_>i have replaced the /boot/nzImage file
18:48<c4_>have to be
18:48<ratbag>anyone here know how to extract passworded rar files with debian?
18:48<themill>c4_: sounds like you're making hard work for yourself. If you're going to compile your own kernels, why not do it the debian way?
18:48<ratbag>i installed unrar-nonfree
18:49<ratbag>but when i try to open a passworded rar file is says this
18:49<ratbag>This archive is password protected.
18:49<ratbag>Please specify a password with the command: Edit->Password
18:49<ratbag>if i click Edit the password field is greyed
18:49<ratbag>anyone know what to do?
18:49<c4_>themill: u r wright, forgot how
18:50<themill>dpkg: tell c4_ about kernel package
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18:51<c4_>themill: can i get the kernel version inside bzImage with some kind of zcat and grep ?
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18:54<c4_>/boot/grub/menu.lst was wrong XD
18:54<c4_>damn gotta boot again
18:55<c4_>bye! thanks themill
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19:02<Ethaniel>From a "Windows-tainted" mind: Any recommendations for a mp3 player under Debian?
19:02<dpkg>well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
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19:08<twobitsp1ite>is it just me or do all of the sites having to do with linux PDAs/etc seem really out of date?
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19:09<ranix>pdas are really out of date
19:09<EagleScreen>Ethaniel: banshee, totem, amarok...
19:09<dr|z3d>Ethaniel: Exaile if you're using Gtk, or Amarok if you're on QT.
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19:09<njg>I have a puzzling networking question, if you're ready
19:10<njg>running etch. if I do "tcpdump -i eth1 arp", I see no traffic
19:10<njg>on other machines attached to same hub, plenty of traffic.
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19:14<twobitsp1ite>like... the Zaurus seems old, but its the one mosst boasted. The website has dead links, and the Nokia 770 is too "myspace generation" oriented...
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19:17<dr|z3d>Ethaniel: There's also Songbird, which is definitely worth a look. for the download.
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19:21<craigevil> is for ubuntu not debian
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19:21<Ethaniel>Does Totem have an equalizer?
19:22<dr|z3d>Ah, Ubuntu. Me bad.
19:23<Ethaniel>I'm using XFCE, by the way. I see Totem is recommended for GNOME...
19:24<dr|z3d>Ethaniel: Try Exaile if you want something a bit more fully featured for music.
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19:24<dr|z3d>Whilst totem is ok, it's an all-round media player, so you're not getting the full experience.
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19:27<Ethaniel>What about something "smaller", Winamp or Foobar-like?
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19:30<Ethaniel>I could use XMMS, I saw it while trying DSL.
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20:07<ben_>I have a question for anyone who wants to answer. I want to install Ubuntu Server on my pc (running vista 64). How can I install Ubuntu on an external Harddrive connected via Firewire?
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20:08<avu>!tell ben_ about ubuntu
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20:09<rotciV>how do i active/enable composite on Debian Lenny?
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20:10<rotciV>!tell rotciV about compiz
20:10<avu>!tell rotciV about selftell
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20:15<nubcake>hmm, it seems bash help channels have kinda gone to minimal support, just have a quick question, how come if i do this, echo "sed sfa werr" | cut -d ' ' -f1-2 it reports "sed sfa" but if i make a .sh script and do VAR=`echo "sed sfa werr" | cut -d ' ' -f1-2` i get an error too many arguments.
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20:16<avu>nubcake, works for me
20:16<nubcake>like vim shows the -2 as red, instead of pink
20:17<avu>nubcake, that exact line you wrote works fine in bash.
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20:17<avu>are you sure it's that line throwing the error? have you tried using set -x?
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20:20<nubcake>avu: genius thanks. been a while since ive played with bash. was a different line ;x
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20:34<Emanon>I am at a complete lose as to what is blocking the connection to my irc server on debian. It doesn't seem to be iptables, the router or the listen commands (in the ircd conf). Any ideas what would stop the internet from accessing it
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20:38<blarson>Emanon: Could be your ISP.
20:38<Emanon>I wouldn't put it past telus
20:38<Emanon>but ssh works
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20:46<luciano_uisk>hi to all
20:46<Emanon>blarson: what exactly about my isp?
20:46<luciano_uisk>i am trying to compile a kernel, just for fun, but i am having trouble with the wireless card
20:47<luciano_uisk>i dont know why, but the kernel of my distro can use the card, but the kernel i compiled dont
20:47<luciano_uisk>and i used the same .config
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20:49<luciano_uisk>anyone knows what is the module for the d-link wireless cards?
20:49<luciano_uisk>i guessed that was fuse, but it is a FS module, ..
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20:51<malt>I installed debian and everything seems to work ok, just that it saids something about swap during install and I didn't install it and now it let's users on the PC, install w/e they want through package manager, without asking for a password
20:51<malt>would sudo fix my problem?
20:51<malt>with restricting accounts
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20:55<malt>what is swap partion, during the debian install?
20:55<malt>I am always use to it bring called formatting or reformatting
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21:04<gmiguel>hi o/ people
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21:10<gmiguel>I have a problem with my debian, with the last sid update, the system does not respond and only blinking capslock
21:12<gmiguel>I'm now checking de kernel log but only found this irregular
21:12<gmiguel>ACPI: BIOS bug: multiple APIC/MADT
21:13<streuner>how about to just disable APIC then?
21:13<streuner>it wouldnt hurt anyway
21:15<malt>What is the command to reconfig, or to setup a swap partion. I didn't do it during the install.
21:15<streuner>well, you need to partition the HD for swap, make an entry in /etc/fstab
21:16<astronut>is down?
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21:17<dpkg>i guess swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that.
21:17<gsimmons>astronut: Works for me.
21:18<gmiguel>streuner: XD thanks
21:18<streuner>malt: two options, 1) as file 2) as partition
21:18<astronut>keeps not working here
21:18<astronut>gsimmons: can you resolve?
21:19<malt>It's letting my users access everything without it asking for root command
21:19<gsimmons>astronut: That's right.
21:19<malt>because of it said something about swap partion wasn't installed, but that I could install it later.
21:19<malt>Will sudo, replace this?
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21:20<astronut>i get lost in
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21:28<malt>streuner, without that swap partion, why does it let all my users access update manager and admin tools, when it doesn't even ask for a password at times
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21:29<superjet_busy>why not gnome-volume-manager just put few ntfs partions into menu of gnome, not all of them, how to set it?
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21:34<malt>Granted Permission without asking for password
21:34<malt>that's what it saids going in admin places, that needs to be passworded.
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21:35<malt>Can I change this to ask for password everytime, or do I need to install something?
21:35<malt>it's worrying me, been messing with it for a while now.
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21:38<malt>got it, it was on remember password, so I just used passwd
21:38<malt>and fixed it and checked not to save password.
21:39<malt>well I corrected my self I ment
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22:18<malt>Also How can I setup my cordless Skype phone in debian, it was called skylink.
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22:23<MattD>Anyone run on to iceweasel connecting to the net but firefox won't?
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22:24<s_i_m>MattD, check your connection settings, like proxy etc. maybe you forgot to change something
22:25<MattD>I did they all look the same
22:25<s_i_m>strange then. that should not happen
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22:27<MattD>no important i can use iceweasel but i thought firefox might be nice because it is recognized by more websites
22:27<s_i_m>hm. that should be customizable, i mean the user-agent string the browser returns
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22:28<craigevil>MattD: just change the user.agent in about:config so it says Firefox rather than iceweasel
22:28<s_i_m>that is it
22:28<craigevil>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/2009020409 Firefox/3.0.6 (Debian-3.0.6-1)
22:29<MattD>where is that located?
22:29<craigevil>type about:config in the address bar then agent
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22:31<MattD>ok thanks
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22:57<company>I managed to freeze X playing with mysql and openoffice3. I ssh to restart X, but all my tty's are garbled. Reset doesn't help, neither does killing all the getty's. hmm
22:58<company>i'm not going to have to reboot am I?
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23:52<malt>anyone know how to get the cordless 2 in 1 skype phone to work for debian? I see it has a option for it in the skype menu, but my phone can't seem to get connected to the PC to register.
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23:58<lennie>hello, anyboy use treo650 and gnome-phone-manager well?
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