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---Logopened Tue Feb 10 00:00:57 2009
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00:06<ubuntu>where is the ubuntu help?
00:07<blarson>!tell ubuntu about ubuntu
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00:24<Supaplex>I refuse!
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00:40<clockscan>Hello everyone I reallyneed some help
00:40<dacheng>clockscan, what?why?
00:40<clockscan>I just installed debian tonight and I am trying to build a wireless module but I getan error
00:41<clockscan>the error is:
00:41<clockscan>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
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00:42<dacheng>apt-get source linux-image
00:42<clockscan>unable to find the source for that
00:42<clockscan>do ineed to add a a source to my sourses.list?
00:43<stew>clockscan: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686
00:43<dacheng>another way :apt-get install module-assistant try
00:43<stew>clockscan: which driver are you building?
00:44<subhuti> clockscan: add to source dep-src
00:44<stew>judd: versions rt73-source
00:44<judd>stew: rt73-source -- sid/contrib: 1: lenny/contrib: 1: sid/contrib: 1:
00:44<clockscan>subhuti - you are a moron
00:44<stew>clockscan: you are running lenny?
00:44<stew>clockscan: there is no need for that
00:44<clockscan>yes I am stew
00:45<clockscan>subhuti told me to add to my sources.list
00:45<stew>clockscan: yes, i saw that
00:45<clockscan>so I had to rebuke him, I guess I chose a bad choice of rebuttals
00:45<stew>clockscan: no, you didn't
00:46<stew>clockscan: add contrib to your sources.list, then "aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a a-i rt73"
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00:50<clockscan>Thanks fo ryour help stew- I got it working perfect
00:51<clockscan>now I would be delighted if you could tell me how to remove network manager
00:51<stew>clockscan: aptitude remove network-manager
00:51<clockscan>I just switched to Debian from Slackware, so I am not familiar with the way Deb handles packages
00:51<clockscan>should I kill it from the console first or does it matter?
00:52<stew>clockscan: removing it will stop it
00:52<ameyer>I guess it doesn't matter anyway
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01:29<Woet>I have several kernels in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Is it safe to just pick the latest for default?
01:30<jm_>usually it is
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03:08<bjsm>HI ALL
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03:24<Thick_McRunfast>Hey, The bootflag "url=" when booting d-i should work, right?
03:25<Thick_McRunfast>I'm trying to pxe boot a preseeded configuration to try and get a completely remote Debian installation
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04:52<dpkg>one warez list being sent to mintlnx
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05:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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05:23<neal>I have been trying to run,, Emusic on Ubuntu, but have'nt found a suitable link/ prog to do this,, can you help.
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05:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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05:26<neal>ok,,, sorry,,,
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06:34<dbz>is there russian channel about debian?
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06:35<Ikarus>dbz: if there is it is most likely called
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06:35<dbz>yep, thanks =) I'll try
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06:36<enouf>zamolxes is gone - but; someone quite a few hours ago asked about high resolution timers or something?
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06:39<dbz>well, I'll try to ask here... I have debian (netinst) on VMWare under WinXP machine. WinXP is in the domain (if it is important). I have samba package installed; IP of host machine is and trying to connect with host using smbclient returns me NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
06:39<dbz>smbclient -L \\\\ -U=host_user_name #this is a connection string I'm using
06:40<dbz>I tried a lot of manuals and FAQs and finally I'm here =)
06:41<jm_>local connection to samba fails?
06:42<enouf>dbz: also try #debian-russian channel on
06:42<enouf>dbz: if you can't resolve issue here
06:42<dbz>smbclient -L \\\\ -U= #this returns print$ and IPC$
06:43<jm_>why are you using -U=?
06:43<dbz>another combinations wait for a long time and doesn't finish
06:43<jm_>the usage is -U username
06:43<dbz>smbclient -L \\\\ -U=root
06:44<dbz>then I entering root password
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06:44<dbz>Receiving SMB: Server stopped responding
06:44<dbz>session setup failed: Call timed out: server did not respond after 20000 milliseconds
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06:44<enouf>doesn't vmwarez do something funky with Virtualized NICs or something? (not that this is what's wrong)
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06:46<jm_>did you add the user to samba?
06:46<dbz>I never experienced connection problems from vmware to host and vice-versa on WinXP vmwarez
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06:46<enouf>and do i understand you? You are trying to connect from Host (XP) to Guest (Debian) through samba?
06:47<dbz>no, I'm trying to connect from guest to host
06:47<jm_>ahh I misunderstood then, I thought it's all in host ;)
06:47<enouf>dbz: pastebin output of netstat -tunap and lsof -i -n as root
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06:48<dbz>Kernel Interface table
06:48<dbz>eth0 1500 0 43590 1 0 0 28391 0 0 0 BMRU
06:48<dbz>lo 16436 0 735 0 0 0 735 0 0 0 LRU
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06:48<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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06:49<dbz>well, any thoughts?
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06:50<dbz>I'm using NAT for guest
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06:51<enouf>not only did you flood, you came back, and didn't even follow up with a pastebin - but you likely want vmware related channels anyway
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06:51<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
06:52<enouf>perfect timing
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07:07<skyegg>alez, tested
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07:14<groulder>so is true?
07:15<groulder>debian comes out this week?
07:16<dpkg>Lenny (5.0) will release when it's ready, with a tentative release date being set for February 14, 2009. See for details. Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>.
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07:20<b-reiter>Hi. I want to change a file in an initrd.img (can't do it the usual way, the system does not boot any more). How do I make a new initrd with cpio so that I do not get an "No filesystem could mount root" error?
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07:21<jm_>b-reiter: mkinitramfs can create it
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07:22<b-reiter>How do I tell it to use the extracted and changed files from the old initrd?
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07:24<jm_>you can write hook scripts that modify stuff
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07:26<b-reiter>I find that way to difficult. It should be possible to create a new initrd from the extracted files of an old one. I just need the right procedure for doing that
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07:33<jm_>it's only a matter of repacking it with cpio again, what's the point of a separate tool to do it
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07:38<enouf>b-reiter: why not just pass the older initrd on the initrd line?
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07:45<b-reiter>jm_, thats my point ;) It does not work with repacking with cpio. (find . | cpio -o > ../initrd and then gzip initrd)
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07:47<b-reiter>enouf, because it is gone ;) I want to use an old one but it is from a system with different partition layout so I have to edit the cryptroot file in the initrd
07:47<jm_>b-reiter: you're missing one important switch
07:48<b-reiter>and that would be?
07:49<jm_>IIRC kernel mentions that when it fails to mount it
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07:52<b-reiter>ok, I'll try it with -H newc
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07:53<fab_>hey guys, is there a german speaking debian channel?
07:53<pingouin_>what is the command to create an init ram file to boot when i build a kernel with some modules ?
07:54<fab_>thx ansgar
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07:55<jm_>pingouin_: depends on the tool you use, why don't you use make-kpkg if you need initrd image?
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07:57<pingouin_>jm_: i have to say - shame on me - i never build a kernel the "debian way" only the "classic" way...
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07:58<jm_>pingouin_: why does your kernel need initrd at all? you can use mkinitramfs for example
07:58<pingouin_>jm_: but for the first time i need to put something in module, and need the initrd file.... dont know how to do it
07:58<b-reiter>jm_, thank you very much, it boots now
07:58<jm_>b-reiter: np
07:58<mib_h10ybmf6>I have a debian minimal system were I installed debian lenny minimal, xorg, firefox and flash player 10. Firefox is working great till the point when I visit a flash site. Then my browser crashes. The error is: Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list. This dir does not exists at all. In the xorg.conf in /etc/X11 I commented in two of these links. But this didn't help. Same error, after restarting. What ca
07:58<pingouin_>jm_: ok , thank you very much, i check this mkinitramfs command
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07:58<jm_>mib_h10ybmf6: that's not a fatal error
07:59<mib_h10ybmf6>but my browser crashes
07:59<jm_>not because of that
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08:01<craigevil>mib_h10ybmf6: apt-get install libcurl3-gnutls will fix iceweasel crashing on flash sites
08:01<mib_h10ybmf6>where can I found the fatal error? In the log ( Xorg.0.log I can't find anything else
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08:01<mib_h10ybmf6>I have not installed iceweasel
08:01<mib_h10ybmf6>I have install firefox.
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08:01<mib_h10ybmf6>I will install it
08:01<jm_>well then don't ask for help here
08:02<craigevil>iceweasel=firefox :) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/2009020409 Firefox/3.0.6 (Debian-3.0.6-1)
08:02<jm_>no it's not
08:02<mib_h10ybmf6>I installed firefox 3 directly from
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08:03<mib_h10ybmf6>Thanks. Solves my error :-)
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08:28<ranix>Hey, do you guys know a similar channel where I can head for OpenGL programming discussion?
08:29<ranix>It's kind of off-topic for #debian
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08:30<OdyX>#debian-offtopic ? :)
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08:31<kasperl>I'm trying to upgrade from Etch to Lenny, but aptitude stops on trying to remove, upgrade or purge the doodled package. It (and dpkg too) complain about not being able to stop the demon via /etc/init.d
08:32<jm_>stop it manually, edit the failing script to override it
08:32<kasperl>How should I edit the failing script? Just empty the thing and make it return 1?
08:33<kasperl>The process is already stopped, there's nothing to do according to killall
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08:34<jm_>it should tell you which script fails, first find that out
08:35<kasperl>It warns on /etc/init.d/doodled missing LSB information
08:35<kasperl>But that shouldn't be it
08:35<jm_>no, it should say something like prerm, postrm, postinst etc. failing
08:35<kasperl>returned exit status 1
08:36<jm_>then it's /var/lib/dpkg/info/doodled.prerm
08:36<jm_>probably enough to just add 'exit 0' at the end
08:36<jm_>oh no, not if it says invoke-rc.d ... stop || exit $?
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08:36<jm_>just change that then
08:36<kasperl>Yeah, it does
08:36<kasperl>Just make that exit 0?
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08:37<kasperl>wow, it seems to work
08:38<kasperl>A pity the advice the dpkg bot here gives you about upgrading doesn't come up on google
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08:38<kasperl>all the google stuff mentioned just renaming everything in sources.list to lenny and aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade
08:38<jm_>that's strange, Debian docs say to read release notes ;)
08:39<b-reiter>kasperl, always did it that way, too ;)
08:39<ranix>who broke dist-upgrade
08:40<kasperl>I'll do that the next time, but generally google is a good friend of mine :P
08:40<ranix>that's been the way to advance versions for ten years
08:40<b-reiter>and usually only with apt-get not aptitude
08:40<ranix>same, b-reiter
08:40<ranix>(as in, I do the)
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09:21<timo>am I the only one with issues with gnome themes after an upgrade today ?
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09:51<christoph>hi! is there any way to get some activeSync Smartphones working with e.g. Evolution on debian?
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09:53<Txt-file>where can I get the kernel sources?
09:53<enouf>debian ones?
09:53<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC> stable main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed.
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09:54<Txt-file>enouf: thanks
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10:02<chealer>Txt-file: in your favorite package manager
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10:20<pato>i'm running Debian 4.1.2-24 with fluxbox windows manager and i have some problems with conky. Could you help me please?
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10:21<Txt-file>!tell pato about ask
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10:22<pato>ok :) Conky starts with fluxbox. But if i run any application, it stops.
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10:25<pato>Config file is coppied from from section screenshots. It was running good all the time, i have used it.
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10:26<pato>i would like to tell you something more, but i dont know what else.
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10:32<pato>oh, I can see on my screen, but it is not running, it looks like lags, because sometimes, i see change.
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10:44<toyer>hello i am using ubuntu
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10:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:44<OdyX>we aren't.
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10:45<toyer>they say debian can be updated all the time so i want to know if i can change the sources in synaptic
10:45<toyer>i want my hardy heron to be updated all the time from debian from now on
10:45<OdyX>toyer: don't try to upgrade a Ubuntu to a Debian... This _will_ break.
10:45<toyer>OdyX: no i want to use debian from now on
10:45<Hideo>you're asking for a diaster
10:45<OdyX>toyer: you have to reinstall.
10:45<toyer>but do i have pulse audio
10:47<OdyX>toyer: you can.
10:48<toyer>OdyX: but why don't debian copy all the improvements from ubuntu?
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10:48<Hideo>that's funny
10:48<OdyX>toyer: because these are not necessarily improvements... and how can you say that these are improvements without trying Debian ?
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10:49<toyer>Hideo: i am not saying debian doesn't have its own improvements, i'm just saying it could cumulate the two sets
10:49<stew>toyer: if you know of improvements ubuntu has made that debian is missing, please file wishlist bugs
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10:49<toyer>stew: but isn't ubuntu easier to use than debian? it even installs plugins in firefox for me
10:50<stew>toyer: i don't know, i haven't tried it
10:50<Stuckey>toyer: I suppose if you define easy to use as "the ability to self-install firefox plugins", then yes.
10:50<b-reiter>Many people (including me) do not see that as an improvement
10:50<Hideo>toyer: then use ubuntu ... , who asked you to use Debian
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10:50<toyer>Hideo: i want to update all the time
10:50<goodger_>toyer: please file a wishlist bug if you would like to see this implemented in debian
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10:50<Stuckey>toyer: You got to ask yourself: What do I want to do with a computer?
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10:51<toyer>Hideo: hardy doesn't have the newest pidgin
10:51<toyer>Stuckey: i want the latest updates all the time
10:51<toyer>without reinstalling the whole system
10:51<Stuckey>toyer: What updates?
10:51<b-reiter>toyer, you could try sidux
10:51<Stuckey>toyer: Latest what?
10:51<Hideo>then whine to the ubuntu people
10:51<toyer>Stuckey: the newest version of pidgin is an example
10:51<Hideo>b-reiter: I'm not sure recommending ubuntu people to sidux is the wisest idea
10:51<Stuckey>toyer: Perhaps you'd want to use Sid then?
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10:52<stew>no, sid isn't for him
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10:52<Stuckey>stew: What's the difference between sid and siux?
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10:52<toyer>is sid the new version of debian?
10:52<b-reiter>Hideo, he wants Debian with constant updates, I think sidux is better for newbies than debian unstable
10:53<Stuckey>toyer: Sid is the so called "unstable" version of Debian; it's the newest version.
10:53<toyer>b-reiter: is sidux updated continuously with no need to reinstall the whole system?
10:53<Hideo>b-reiter: I haven't used sidux, does it break often?
10:53<stew>toyer: sid/unstable is the development version of debian where packages which have never been tested are uploaded. its meant for developers, not necessarily end users
10:53<b-reiter>toyer, pretty much. Have a look for yourself:
10:53<Hideo>b-reiter: and can ubuntu noobs fix it if it breaks?
10:54<toyer>b-reiter: thank you
10:54<b-reiter>Hideo, not really, but I have only tested it briefly
10:54<toyer>Hideo: why do you think sidus is not a wise idea for me?
10:54<toyer>Hideo: sixud
10:54<b-reiter>I don't know, can ubuntu noobs fix ubuntu?
10:54<Stuckey>toyer: You should know that using the absolute newest verison of software means that you'll likely run into bugs.
10:55<Stuckey>toyer: correction: ... that you'll be running into bugs.
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10:55<Hideo>toyer: what Stuckey said
10:55<toyer>Stuckey: not absolutely the newest, but i don't want to be stuck *forever* with a version that is one year and a half old
10:55<Stuckey>toyer: I don't see anything wrong with Debian Stable then...
10:55<toyer>Stuckey: what's stronger than sid then?
10:55<goodger_>toyer: then use debian testing. or don't. we really don't mind. just don't complain about ubuntu in here
10:55<stew>toyer: debian is probably not for you then
10:56<Stuckey>Don't tell him it isn't for him... He just needs to learn.
10:56<toyer>so what i wans is sid-testing, right?
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10:56<Stuckey>Does anyone have a link to some sort of general linux introduction?
10:56<stew>toyer: no, you do not want sid
10:56<Stuckey>toyer: I don't think you know what you want.
10:56<ranix>toyer: you're probably looking for Lenny, or, testing/unstable
10:56<Stuckey>toyer: I'm going to find you some sort of introduction to linux manual...
10:56<Hideo>toyer: either sid or testing, although if you use sid you have to be able to fix it if it breaks
10:57<toyer>Stuckey: i want something moderately new and constantly updated with the latest updates, but not betas or very unstable
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10:57<Hideo>toyer: do not mix testing and sid, it's either or not both at the same time
10:57<ranix>toyer: I am a competent Debian user of ten years and I do not use sid, I use Lenny
10:57<toyer>i want to use testing then
10:57<toyer>what is lenny?
10:57<Stuckey>toyer: Then use Debian Stable (currently Etch, but is about to turn to Lenny within a few weeks).
10:58<toyer>oh i see
10:58<Stuckey>toyer: Lenny is the current testing distrubtion...
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10:58<toyer>how do i check which pidgin they use?
10:58<ranix>dpkg: tell toyer about testing
10:58<ranix>dpkg: tell toyer about moving-target
10:58<toyer>i'm not obsessing pidgin is just the easiest way for me to check
10:58<ranix>toyer: check those factoids
10:59<Stuckey>toyer: Go read this and
10:59<Hideo>toyer: go to, look at the debian package link and search it
10:59<b-reiter>toyer, check out, maybe they list pidgin
10:59<ranix>toyer: incidentally there are lots of ways to get to the same information ;)
10:59<ranix>toyer: so you don't have to do all these, pick and choose the ones you find reasonable until you feel you have understanding
10:59<Stuckey>toyer: and here's something else you should read
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11:00<toyer>thank you guys
11:00<toyer>thank you very much
11:00<toyer>what is stronger than testing?
11:00<Stuckey>toyer: Go read
11:00<toyer>and is that a moving target too?
11:00<Hideo>define stronger?
11:00<toyer>doesn't crash
11:00<b-reiter>toyer, They list pidgin
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11:00<n0x1337__>hello, i want to interact directly in C with my wlan-interface (without sockets - directly). does anyone know where i can read something about my project? i dont know where to start, where to search for an api or something.
11:01<Hideo>toyer: stable, as its name suggested
11:01<koollman>n0x1337__: what is 'directly' ? what do you want to do precisely?
11:01<stew>if you are here because you are looking for a distro with more updated pidgin than ubuntu, you probably don't want debian
11:01<stew>toyer: ^^^
11:01<toyer>Hideo: and is it a moving target too?
11:01<stew>toyer: no, stable is not a moving target. it doesn't change, which is why it is called stable
11:02<ranix>toyer: Lenny is slushy and close to release, so it's a decent time to suggest using it for a new user
11:02<stew>toyer: no release of debian has a newer pidgin than what is availble for hardy
11:02<n0x1337__>i want to interact with my access point and want to "play" with the authentication of the security processes, etc.
11:02<ranix>toyer: you can use etch also, Lenny might be a better fit
11:02<ranix>pidgin is lame anyway
11:02<Stuckey>toyer: there's something about different distributions within one of those links I gave you, specifically here
11:02<ranix>you should use pork ;)
11:02<toyer>stew: so it doesn't change with more recent stable versions and safe backports?
11:02<koollman>n0x1337__: then sockets are good enough for that, I think. raw sockets
11:03<toyer>ranix: pork? never heard of it
11:03<ranix>toyer: pork + screen
11:03<ranix>toyer: apt-cache search pork
11:03<n0x1337__>koollman: thank you, i will check this
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11:04<stew>toyer: i'm not sure i understand what you are asking, but yes, newer versions are sometime backported to stable, but you definately don't want debian stable if you are wanting to leave ubuntu because the versions are too old
11:04<stew>toyer: there is not a newer version of pidgin avialble for debian, however
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11:04<toyer>stew: it's all clear now, thanks again
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11:05<Hideo>ranix: pfft... bitlbee ftw :)
11:05<craigevil>pidgin 2.5.4-1 in exp works just fine, although you probably wouldnt be able to install it on stable
11:07<pato>doesn't anybody know to help me with my problem with conky ? :(
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11:08<toyer>BUT PIDGIN 2.5.4 IS MUCH NEWER!!
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11:09<toyer>so you 're wrong
11:09<toyer>debian's is much more recent!
11:09<toyer>debian is cool!!
11:09<koollman>toyer: that's the experimental branch
11:09<chealer>stew: unless hardy has something newer than 2.4.1 available, all Debian releases have something newer besides stables
11:09<koollman>guess what ? it's not stable ;)
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11:09<toyer>let me read some more
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11:10<koollman>toyer: if you like being up to date, maybe you would want to use testing. it changes fast enough to keep up with versions most of the time
11:10<toyer>koollman: pidgin is quite stable usually
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11:11<wozza>toyer, I only run with the LATEST NEWEST buggy software ;-)
11:12<toyer>i see no experimental on distrowatch
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11:14<b-reiter>You don
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11:14<b-reiter>'t want to use it either
11:15<OdyX>because, with it, sometimes keyboards blo
11:15<Hideo>blow up!?
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11:16<Hideo>if you use experimental, you're a terrorist!
11:17<ike^>Ok, i've got a weird usb problem with, apparently, never seen this before
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11:18<OdyX>ike^: I also have problems with libusb <-> linux 2.6.28
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11:18<wozza>Hideo, I am tourist.. is that close enough =)
11:18<Stuckey>Does anyone know of a good started guide to mutt?
11:19<ike^>ah, ok, maybe building a newer one will help until debian gets up to date
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11:19<Hideo>wozza: close enough, off to Gitmo you tourist!
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11:20<wozza>at least my bugs are fresh and uptodate =7 but seriously I can handle it, but I wouldn't't recommend it (unless you're unemployed)
11:21<Hideo>that's a double negative, so you do recommend it
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11:30<ike^>OdyX, libusb-1.0 helped
11:30<ike^>the constant logging stopped
11:30<ike^>well a little
11:30<ike^>i dont have to listen to the hd write all the time
11:30<ike^>and the cpu usage doesnt go trough the roof as much
11:30<OdyX>ike^: the problem for me is that libfprint is not compatible with libusb-1.0-1
11:31<ike^>its only a temporary fix anyway
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11:32<Hideo>ike^: there were some usb fixes in changelog for, I'm not sure if it's related, but you should probably upgrade to anyway
11:32<ike^>and there that fix went out the window
11:32<ike^>damned disk is chugging away again now
11:33<ike^>k i'll try that
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11:33<ike^>could just pull the power to the disk ;)
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11:38<enouf>ike^: sounds like you might want to check out what sdparm info can tell you about it's sleep state
11:39<enouf>or that the result of some sort of weirdo async mount?
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11:42<ike^>it tells me it s a kingston device ;)
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11:46<b-reiter>I have a problem with lenny on a Thinkpad T61p. When I suspend to ram (echo mem > /sys/power/state) it does suspend nicely, it resumes too, but after that the hard drive is not accessible any more. Unfortunately that leaves me without logs. I get "bus error" or "input/output error" or simply "command not found" on disk access.
11:46<b-reiter>Root fs is encrypted but I don
11:47<b-reiter>'t think it is the cause
11:47<b-reiter>Fu... US layout... ;)
11:48<b-reiter>I don't find anything related there
11:49<fxiny>suspend to ram a crypto system can cause problems . already read it all ?
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11:50<fxiny>blazing fast reader
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11:50<wozza>i suspend to ram a crypto with cryptdisk
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11:50<wozza>i also use automount and autossh
11:50<fxiny>that's the only good url i fond about suspend to ram
11:51<b-reiter>It did work at some point
11:51<k1lumin4t1>is there any app to change the encoding to a group of text files?
11:51<fxiny>i have a luks system but i do not suspend it to ram
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11:52<wozza>b-reiter, but you get the video and capslock back?
11:52<wozza>yeah ok - command not found.. sorry
11:52<wozza>did you reconfigure you're kernel and move ATA to a module or anything like that?
11:53<wozza>also why not use the s2ram or hibernate scripts? or are you a purist?
11:54<b-reiter>wozza, video yes (nvidia), will test capslock
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11:55<wozza>I mean.. do you get the keyboard back?
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11:56<wozza>or does he just stop on a VT with some error?
11:56<b-reiter>yeah, keyboard does work, kernel is 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel from lenny repo
11:57<wozza>you might also me able to access anything in /dev/kmsg
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11:57<wozza>standard kernel.. hmmm
11:57<b-reiter>never tried s2ram or hibernate, will have a look at that
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11:58<wozza>yeah maybe it's the power mode, say you bus goes to sleep but your drive goes into a different power state..
11:58<wozza>or does the disk spin up again?
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11:58<b-reiter>What I changed recently is switching to noop elevator, will try with standard one
11:58<b-reiter>its an SSD
11:59<wozza>god I wish I knew what you are talking about?
12:00<wozza>good luck & have fun =)
12:00<b-reiter>I mean I have a flash disk and not a hard drive, therefore a different elevator
12:01<b-reiter>Also it takes a long time to suspend, about 30 seconds, that can't be normal
12:02<b-reiter>It seems to work without the elevator=noop kernel option. Should have thought of that before asking, sorry.
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12:03<b-reiter>nope, there it is again...
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12:04<b-reiter>I guess the SSD is at fault, STR did work well with a HDD
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12:06<Lemonzest>i found lenny suspends/hibernates my desktop perfectly
12:07<Lemonzest>worked OOTB, no fiddeling
12:07<b-reiter>Yeah, it may be a hardware issue
12:07<b-reiter>What do you use for suspend?
12:08<Lemonzest>me? dunno i just select suspend from the gnome logoff menu and it does its thing
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12:09<Lemonzest>its a default install on a core2 system, on an MSI P43 Neo-F
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12:09<Lemonzest>(P43 North/ICH10 South)
12:09<Lemonzest>AMI bios
12:09<b-reiter>I never did a default install ;)
12:10<cinzia>are you english?
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12:10<OdyX>b-reiter: try uswsusp
12:10<b-reiter>But I use GDM for login, it has a suspend command in the action menu, will try that
12:10<OdyX>b-reiter: you need uswsusp, hal, and pm-utils
12:10<cinzia>ARE YOU ENGLISH??
12:10<OdyX>cinzia: no. and don't shout !
12:10<b-reiter>cinzia, can't you read?
12:10<fxiny>i'm from uranus :P
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12:11<b-reiter>OdyX, thx, will test it
12:11<lup>ciao a tutti
12:11<cinzia>serious...are you english?
12:11<OdyX>b-reiter: then pm-suspend - pm-hibernate from pm-utils
12:11<OdyX>cinzia: seriously no.
12:12<cinzia>what are you?
12:12<cinzia>i'm italian
12:12<cinzia>and you?
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12:13<cinzia>can you help me for increse my english?
12:13<OdyX>this it not an english-learning channel
12:13<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian is See
12:13<b-reiter>cinzia, I don't think this is the right channel for language lessons
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12:14<cinzia>and where is it?
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12:14<cinzia>yes leo
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12:14<leo>dove è
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12:14<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:14<leo>come và
12:14<cinzia>are you italian?
12:15<noflash>cinzia, this is a debian support channel, not a chat channel
12:15<cinzia>e allora ke kazzo parli inglese XD
12:15<fxiny>take your lorry away
12:15<leo>da dove vieni
12:15<cinzia>ma qui sono tutti iglesi dimmerda
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12:15<noflash>cinzia, english please
12:16<leo>usi molto linux
12:16<cinzia>non tanto
12:16<noflash>!ops cinzia and leo refuse to speak english
12:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: noflash complains about: cinzia and leo refuse to speak english
12:16<stew>leo: cinzia: english only in here please
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12:16<cinzia>leo parliamo english
12:16<cinzia>se no ce cacciano
12:16<leo>sai come si configura un antivirus
12:16-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
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12:17<fxiny>goog one
12:17-!-mode/#debian [+q cinzia!*@*] by Ganneff
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12:18<fxiny>my valentine for the lorry driver :
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12:19<b-reiter>Thank god for ext3's ability to not fuck up on all these hard resets ;)
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12:24<b-reiter>I think I found the problem. The SSD does not like the sata link power optimizations a custom rc script invokes at boot. I guess I should not mess up my systems so much...
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12:25<koollman>b-reiter: that's a good guess :)
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12:26<b-reiter>Well, it was a recommendation mentioned by powertop.
12:27-!-mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ
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12:28<b-reiter>Oh my, so much trouble for nothing. Well, on the brighter side, I learned a lot about cryptsetup, initramdisks, suspend, ... And I found this nice channel ;)
12:29<enouf>fxiny: hola! .. go over there ;-) ==>
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12:29<RIVE>Hi, good morning.
12:29<fxiny>enouf: ==> where ?
12:30<enouf>fxiny: er .. DUH! :-) -offtopic :-p
12:30<metalqga>to the right
12:30<enouf>o~/ put your hands on your hips! /~o
12:31<fxiny>enouf: ROCKY !
12:31<enouf>haha .. yep
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12:32<b-reiter>Thanks OdyX, wozza and fxiny, it works wonderfully now
12:32<OdyX>b-reiter: Cool ! bp
12:33<dkr>enouf: musical notes have a circle part, then a staff, then a flag on top. e.g. o/~
12:33<fxiny>b-reiter: good news
12:33<dkr>♪ would be even easier, though. heh
12:33<enouf>dkr: not my music!
12:34<b-reiter>Now I can write my own scripts for suspend when the lid is closed, and suspend to disk when the battery is low
12:34<b-reiter>One could call that a real laptop then ;)
12:35<OdyX>b-reiter: or use the WM facilities :)
12:35*OdyX haz KDE4.2 that handles it all.
12:35<RIVE>I'm triying to compile darkice, i did aptitude build-dep darkice the problem that i have is that i don't know where are the files to compile it.
12:35<OdyX>(KDE3.5.9-10 with kpowersave too by the way)
12:35<b-reiter>I habe fluxbox and that handles only windows ;)
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12:49<wozza>b-reiter look at powersaved
12:49<wozza>she will take care of that for you!
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12:50<wozza>remember.. try not to reinvent the wheel - unless it's either fun or better ;-)
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12:51<OdyX>wozza: reinventing the wheel for free sex you mean ?
12:51<knopper>how to become a root?
12:51<knopper>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
12:51<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
12:51<OdyX>that is not what I was waiting for
12:51<OdyX>sudo or su
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12:53<wozza>Odyx, now you're in the wrong channel lol..
12:53<knopper>and how can I install the sound drivers?
12:53<dpkg>i heard sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>.
12:53<tczern>anyone here who installed the Nimbus Theme for Gnome?
12:54<tczern>I have everything but not the design for 'controls'
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12:59<Stuckey>Does anyone here know how to set up the e-mail client Mutt?
13:00<hahnp>apt-get install mutt
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13:00<tczern>how can I remove a theme from the Theme Manager?
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13:01<Stuckey>hahnp: funny... but I already got that far. I'm trying to use it to check my email over IMAP now
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13:14<knopper>what is a good torrent program for debian?
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13:14<b-reiter>I always used mldonkey
13:14<Stuckey>knopper: rtorrent
13:15<knopper>apt-get install mldonkey
13:15<knopper>Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
13:16<knopper>Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut
13:16<knopper>Lese Status-Informationen ein... Fertig
13:16<knopper>E: Konnte Paket mldonkey nicht finden
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13:17<OdyX>!apt mldonkey-server
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13:18<knopper>apt-get install mldonkey-server
13:18<knopper>Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
13:18<knopper>Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut
13:18<knopper>Lese Status-Informationen ein... Fertig
13:19<knopper>E: Konnte Paket mldonkey-server nicht finden
13:19<stew>!tell knopper about paste
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13:20<fxiny>why nicht finden ? are you running etch ?
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13:21<OdyX>/meguessez sarge.
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13:21<fxiny>sarge ? time to downgrade to potato then :P
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13:22<stew>i guess knoppix
13:22<knopper>I run knoppix, is that the problem?
13:22<b-reiter>sarge did have mldonkey iirc
13:23<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
13:23<devas>How can i open .ISO file directly in VLC Player , I am using Ubuntu
13:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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13:24<dpkg>well, weasel is larger than a breadbox, or see <mushroom>
13:24<OdyX>okay :)
13:25<fxiny>first of all .ISO isn not the right extension unless yoyr app runs file on it
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13:25<stew>!weasel is also someone who loves extraneous hilights
13:25<dpkg>okay, stew
13:26<weasel>dpkg: forget weasel
13:26<dpkg>i forgot weasel, weasel
13:26<weasel>dpkg: ignore stew
13:26*dpkg sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, stew"
13:26<fxiny>i love that bot
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13:26<fxiny>dpkg be my Rachel
13:26<dpkg>fxiny: I don't know, could you explain it?
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13:31<christoph>anyone an idea why mutt places it's mboxes into ~ and not into ~/Mail ?
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13:31<fxiny>my mutt places mboxes into Mail
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13:31<fxiny>of course
13:32<fxiny>christoph: ~/.muttrc > mailboxes ~/Mail/mbox
13:32<christoph>fxiny, mine does not no matter if I have folder set to ~/Mail or no folder setting at all
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13:33<fxiny>mutt hates folders .P
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13:33<fxiny>christoph: edit your ~/.muttrc
13:34<steffan>christoph: little knowledge of it, but can't you choose where they get put using something like 'set mbox="$HOME/Mail/mbox";' in muttrc.
13:34<fxiny>christoph: grep mailboxes ~/.muttrc | wc -l 36
13:34<fxiny>mutt rulez
13:35<fxiny>and i have a nifty ~/.mutt/.privrc
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13:35<fxiny>hooks scores mlists all in there
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13:36<steffan>looks like we have a mutt-enthusiast on our hands.
13:36<fxiny>to me mutt is one of the best app ever
13:36<steffan>has anyone else experienced that when SSHing to a remote server to use irssi+screen, irssi works faster when not running in a screen?
13:37<steffan>i never used to have typing lag when just using irssi, but now i've started using it +screen, typing is lagged.
13:37<berto>steffan: I used that for years and I have never had any problems
13:38<steffan>berto: uhm, must be my connection.
13:38<steffan>typing lag sucks when SSHing to a remote server.
13:38<Stuckey>Does anyone know how to set up Mutt?
13:38<Stuckey>I saw someone say something about Mutt a second ago...
13:38<steffan>Stuckey: follow their site? :-)
13:38<Stuckey>steffan: too complicated
13:39<fxiny>steffan: no lags here : irssi jailed in a screen session
13:39<christoph>fxiny, ok seems to work now -- any idea why the folder thing did not work out? it's in the offical docs ...
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13:39<steffan>Stuckey: the impossible can be achieved, if you follow their instructions. :-)
13:39<steffan>!tell Stuckey about mutt
13:39<steffan>Stuckey: dpkg has some links on the configuration, have a look at those. :-)
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13:40<christoph>fxiny, ah the original != translation of mbox* has some explanation
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13:40<fxiny>christoph: i have no idea about folders , i tend to avoid folders , i set my mutt up first time i installed debian
13:40<steffan>Stuckey: if you have a more specific question during setup then ask.
13:41<steffan>hi, christoph
13:41<fxiny>christoph: i use profiles as well . worth looking into it
13:41<christoph>fxiny, well starting with the basics first ;)
13:42<fxiny>christoph: urlview and msmtp to send via gmail
13:42<Stuckey>steffan: okay thanks
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13:43<christoph>fxiny, it's my own web/mail server in this case ;)
13:43<fxiny>that's great . i mean msmtp . you do a hook like : send2-hook '~f' 'set sendmail="/usr/bin/msmtp -a gmail"' and voila' . your isp dies !
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13:44<fxiny>i like giving all my secrets to gmail :P
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13:47<fxiny>berto: so if you mutt a mail as , msmtp ignores your isp and send via gmail . if you open your gmail account you can see your sent/mail there . i love it
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13:47<fxiny>christoph: ^^^^
13:47<christoph>fxiny, do you have an receipe for sending saying "open: Not a directory" ?
13:47<fxiny>berto: tab completion ;)
13:48<fxiny>christoph: what do you mean ?
13:49<christoph>fxiny, doing a mail -> agree to send with 'y' ->
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13:51<fxiny>christoph: i bet is a wrong ~/.muttrc . just guessing . mutt > m > to > and y in the end
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13:53<ghee>hey guys, i'm having network printing issues. when i try to print after specifying the url in the kde print wizard, I get the error: client-error-not-authorized. Any ideas?
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13:54<enouf>ghee: poked about in kcontrol?
13:55<ghee>enouf yeah, but i'm a newbie in printing. i thought it might be the cups server users, so i set it to anonymous. still no go
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13:55<christoph>fxiny, jep doing exactly so
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13:57<enouf>ghee: try as root, no issues? add users to correct groups needed?
13:57<christoph>fxiny, "Error sending message, Child exited 1"
13:58<christoph>fxiny, thx
13:58<enouf>ghee: check cups logs too - /etc/cups/* for config
13:58<fxiny>christoph: np . i myself started using someone else config
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13:59<fxiny>christoph: then i added a bogofilter macro , i love bogofilter :))
14:00<ghee>enouf thx i'll check the cupslog. (i was in kcontrol in admin mode, but still was no go). back in a sec
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14:02<fxiny>enouf: :)
14:02<christoph>fxiny, ok it's the sendmail program
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14:06<ghee>enouf can i bother you for a more basic question. i can't connect to the xserver from a terminal. is there some easy way to change that?
14:07<enouf>ghee: locally? or remotely?
14:07<ghee>enouf locally
14:07<enouf>as root you mean? echo $DISPLAY
14:08<enouf>wait, locally? is X running? alt-f7 ;-)
14:08<mase_>"export DISPLAY=:0.0" if your're working locally, but you have to disable access control
14:09<ghee>enough yes as root. echo $DISPLAY didn't do anything, just left a blank line in the terminal
14:09<ghee>enouf x is running, i'm in kdm
14:09<enouf>right - see what mase_ just said
14:09<enouf>er ..
14:09<enouf>kdm is a DM
14:09<mase_>yes, and you have to execute "xhost -ac" as normal user
14:09<mase_>(that disables access control)
14:09<christoph>fxiny, would you mind giving me your smtp settings for adopting?
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14:12<ghee>mase_ sorry what is "-ac"? when i run "xhost -ac" i get "xhost: bad hostname "ac""
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14:13<enouf>ghee: well, how did you gett into kdm, fresh boot? or you logged in a tty, and ran startx? or ..
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14:14<mase_>ghee sorry, forget about that, i did not read that you're in KDM
14:15<ghee>mase_ woohoo, it worked! thx! can't tell you how frustrating that was
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14:15<ghee>enouf it was a fresh boot. OK, 1 down 1 to go. i found a cups config option online i'm going to try
14:16<mase_>? cups? for what?
14:16*enouf has to go
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14:17<ghee>mase_ yeah, the error msg i came here for...
14:17<mase_>what URL did you set in the wizard?
14:18<mase_>is cups local?
14:18<mase_>"remote" ips are forbidden by default (as you already might have catched)
14:18<ghee>mase_ url = printer url (
14:18<dpkg>i heard cups is a printing system available at or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup>
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14:19<ghee>mase_ re local, well the printer is in another office, i'm accessing via network
14:19<ike^>iip. its impossible to install libxul-dev
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14:19<ghee>mase_ ooooh. but i've printed to it before...
14:19<fxiny>christoph: plenty of examples in the tubes :
14:19<mase_>the cups config has thede "access" blocks where you have to insert the netmask
14:20<mase_>oh, ok
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14:20<mase_>have you changed something in the network (ip's, netmasks etc)
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14:21<mase_>oh, sorry, i misunderstood again
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14:21<mase_> is not the ip of cups but the ip of the printer?
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14:21<ghee>mase_ yes
14:22<mase_>and cups is local?
14:22<ghee>mase_ to clarify i've printed to this printer on other setups (ubuntu, sidux) just not this fresh install yet
14:23<ghee>mase_ sorry by cups being local you mean it's part of my localhost?
14:23<mase_>what was the error message again?
14:23<ghee>mase_ when i try to print after specifying the url in the kde print wizard, I get the error: client-error-not-authorized
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14:24<mase_>can you access to the cups web interface locally?
14:25<Stuckey>Is there any way to use wget to get mutilpile files from a sever?
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14:25<ghee>mase_ er, i guess - you mean via kcontrol center printing?
14:25<mase_>no, mom
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14:27<mase_>i think it was something like "http://localhost:631" (in a browser)
14:27<steffan>Stuckey: take a look at, search for 'multiple'.
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14:27<christoph>fxiny, working now :)
14:27<avu>mase_, yeah, the cups web interface listens on localhost:631 by default
14:27<steffan>Stuckey: wget <something> <something> <something> will work too! :-)
14:27<ghee>mase_ yup that works
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14:28<mase_>is the printer apearing? can you print a test page (via web interface)
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14:30<fxiny>christoph: sending via gmail ?
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14:31<ghee>mase_ the printer i set up appears. when i print a test page it requests user/psswd. it accepts my user name/psswd, but nothing prints
14:31<ghee>mase_ root/psswd isn't accepted
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14:32<Guest748>hey guys, how do I get mencoder on my etch?
14:32<christoph>fxiny, sending via my mailserver ;)
14:32<fxiny>christoph: good . time to go now :)
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14:33<mase_>Guest748 mom, there is a multimedia repository, let me have a look
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14:35<ghee>mase_ just tried altering the config file for cups. do i need to reboot for it to take effect?
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14:35<mase_>Guest748 you can add "deb etch main" to your sources to get mencoder/mplayer (i hope)
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14:35<mase_>ghee no, normally a "/etc/init.d/cups restart" is enough
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14:36<mase_>ghee (as root, to restart cups)
14:36<Guest748>mase I have just done that, ill let u know what happens
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14:40<ghee>mase_ still no go...
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14:41<steffan>what's the whole point of groups (concerning adduser)?
14:41<steffan>and the main reason why people use them?
14:41<steffan>at the moment, when i adduser, it just creates a new group with the same name as the user.
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14:42<mase_>steffan i think its a question of "taste". i think suse doesn't do so.
14:43<mase_>steffan but it is nice to be able to add other users to "your" group to let them view your files (spezial "friends")
14:43<steffan>so there is no point in it (by default)
14:43<mase_>steffan for exampe
14:43<Gathond>well and just have a group to default a users files to
14:43<Gathond>since they have to have one
14:43<mase_>well, it does not hurt, so wy not
14:44<Gathond>just having all users generate files with a common groups would negate most of the whole security idea imho
14:45<mase_>Gathond but you can handle it by "just" locking the home directory. others can't acces recursively...
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14:45<mase_>Gathond (for example)
14:45<Gathond>mase_: still it is a mess imho
14:45<Gathond>much nicer and simpler to just default to the users groups as well
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14:46<mase_>right, but might overcharge most users that want to "present" files... but youre right of course
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14:48<mase_>Gathond thats why debian is debian and suse is suse ;)
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14:50<mase_>ghee have you tried something like "tail -f /var/log/cups/access_log" while trying to print something?
14:50<steffan>Gathond: do you have an example of what an adduser.conf would look like acording to your idea? :-)
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14:51<teratoma>is there a graphical gnome interface for openvpn that would work, even though i use wicd instead of network-manager ?
14:51<mase_>steffan you mean that a user-own group is NOT automatically created?
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14:51<Guest748>mase it worked :)
14:51<Gathond>steffan: take a look at debians, it is how it has always behaved for me
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14:52<steffan>i have the default, Gathond :-)
14:52<steffan>is that what you mean?
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14:52<Gathond>steffan: yes
14:53<steffan>teratoma: 'aptitude search openvpn' or§ion=all.
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14:53<steffan>teratoma: doesn't look like there is one though, not already on as a package anyhow. google? :-)
14:53<steffan>Gathond: ah, okay! i already have it like that anyhow. :-)
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14:56<teratoma>steffan: yeah i know how to use google. i couldn't find anything that works
14:56<teratoma>i mean i looked around in packages and aptitude search.
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14:56<teratoma>maybe wicd will be in lenny or stable some day
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14:57<Guest748>would it be possible to make an action happen when files are uploaded to an ftp server?
14:57<ghee>mase_ just tried it. it says cups-get-classes successful ok and get-jobs successful-ok
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14:58<hahnp>Guest748: you could use a cronjob
14:58<mase_>teratoma you don't want to include a "kde" application? ;)
14:58<teratoma>mase_: I run gnome and lenny. what horrible things will happen if i start including kde ?
14:58<mase_>ghee ? but it didn't accept your password?
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14:59<mase_>teratoma i think its tolerable...but ok, its a hard step if you don't already have included some KDE stuff
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15:00<steffan>Guest748: see the private message from dpkg, and you might want to take a look at 'man 5 crontab'. :-)
15:00<ghee>mase_ no i just got a repeat of that error!
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15:00<mase_>ghee and tailing the error file (tail -f /var/log/cups/error_log)?
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15:01<mase_>ghee i think there has to be an error shown in a log somewhere...
15:01<zenith>gonna throw out a stupid question because im not sure
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15:02<zenith>if i have a hardware raid controller, and say 2 arrays, the OS should see them as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb or do i still have to manage the raid at the OS level
15:02<mase_>zenith depends on the controller
15:02<stew>zenith: you shouldn't haveto do anything at the os level
15:03<mase_>zenith some only support "software" raid, some manage them by them self
15:03<stew>zenith: the os should just see each array as a drive
15:03<zenith>so i just have to make sure its a 'true' hardware controller
15:03<stew>zenith: right
15:03<mase_>zenith but there are some controllers that can be programmed at os level
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15:04<mase_>zenith and after "programming" them, the array appears as one
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15:04<zenith>i thought so, i just wasnt sure
15:05<mase_>zenith but have a look into your bios
15:05<zenith> pretty up to date and accurate?
15:05<mase_>zenith real "hardware" raid controler normally give an option for configuring the raid
15:05<zenith>i dont have a bios as of yet, still pricing out the server at this point
15:05<mase_>zenith (in the bios)
15:06<zenith>i heard good things about 2ware and etch, but they seem to be partial to PCI-X
15:06<stew>zenith: if the 'raid controller' is on the motherboard, its probably not a real raid controller unless the motherboard is multiple hundreds of us dollars
15:06<mase_>zenith i think raid for private issues are quite unneccessary, btw
15:06<zenith>its for a file server
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15:08*OdyX always bypasses the hardware RAID - if things go bad, it'll be very bad...
15:08<mase_>zenith so you want raid0?
15:08<amjad>I want to copy /var/www/ /var/www/ I there any way, so I dont have to type the full path two times
15:08<hahnp>!raid0 :D
15:08<dpkg>i heard raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see <LVM>). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. Ask me about <qotd168>.
15:08<amjad>Could it be achieved with eg brace expansion
15:09<stew>amjad: cp /var/www/{old,html}
15:09<stew>err that last / should be .
15:09<zenith>im gonna install / to RAID1 and /home to RAID5
15:09<amjad>zenith, let me try that
15:09<mase_>amjad or "cd /var/www/; cp index.old index.html"
15:10<themill>or use "rename"
15:10<stew>amjad: you can always "echo cp ...{old,html}" first to see how it expands
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15:13<amjad>stew, yes, it works, thanks
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15:13<amjad>mase_, thanks for the help too
15:14<Arcalyth>Hi all. I installed Debian Lenny onto my laptop (Dell Studio XPS 16) and I'm having trouble getting suspend/resume to work properly. Suspend works fine, but resume gives me a black screen displaying only my cursor and what looks like dead pixels (but they're not). I installed the proprietary ATI driver. I'm not sure where to look for a solution, I've tried following some suggestions found on google (such as enabling vbe states and
15:14<Arcalyth> such) but nothing's working. Help?
15:15<steffan>Arcalyth: what's the problem?
15:15<Arcalyth>suspend/resume = black screen
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15:16<mase_>is the cursor the mouses one or a terminal cursor?
15:16<steffan>Arcalyth: is that after resuming?
15:16<Arcalyth>cursor provided by X
15:16<Arcalyth>steffan yes
15:16<mase_>have you something like compiz installed or another 3d desktop?
15:16<Arcalyth>I tried killing X then suspending using /usr/share/acpi-support/suspendorhibernate suspend but that doesn't actualy shut off my screen or put my computer to sleep
15:17<Arcalyth>mase_ yes, I do have compiz-fusion installed
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15:17<mase_>Arcalyth ok, i think thats a problem. (with ati-compiz)
15:18<Arcalyth>ati-compiz? is that a package?
15:18<zenith>ok so im reading here, if their 'true' hardware RAID controllers, then i dont have to worry about compatibility issues and recompiling the kernel? the os would never know the difference?
15:18<steffan>Arcalyth: there's problems with compiz, i've heard a few occurances of this happening. :-)
15:18<mase_>Arcalyth no, ati in compination with compiz
15:18<Arcalyth>oh. heh, duh..
15:18<Arcalyth>it's a ATI Mobility HD 3780 or something like that
15:19<mase_>Arcalyth had an problem like you (but not only with suspend)
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15:19<Arcalyth>So I should try disabling compiz, then try to sleep?
15:19<mase_>Arcalyth what happens for example if you (without suspending) switch to a terminal and switch back to graphickal mode?
15:19<sassi>got the same thing when i install the drivers and reboot the screen is black and on the top its looks like dead pixels
15:19<Arcalyth>mase_ works just fine
15:19<ghee>mase_ sorry to be away, was messing with the config file... i found the error file. should i paste it somewhere?
15:19<sassi>ati hd 3850
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15:20<mase_>ghee ok, try to paste at
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15:24<mase_>ghee well, you are "Unauthorized" ;)
15:24<mase_>ghee but why is the printer "busy"?
15:24<ghee>mase_ yeah ;)
15:25<ghee>mase_ i wondered the same. i get the sense that even though that's the right url it's not getting through
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15:25<Arcalyth>mase_ I can switch to a terminal and back to X without any problems
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15:31<mase_>ghee but you can ping the printer?
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15:31<ghee>mase_ yes, from my user account
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15:32<mase_>Arcalyth ok, was just a question, but still sounds like a "ati in combination with compiz" error. have you tryed to switch compiz of?
15:32<Arcalyth>yeah let me try that.
15:34<Arcalyth>Well, that seemed to work, mase_
15:34<Arcalyth>but I can't move my mouse :P
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15:34<Arcalyth>My cursor is frozen in the place it was before I suspended.
15:35<goodger>Arcalyth: unplug and replug the mouse?
15:35<mase_>that was to fast... have you switched of compiz and then tryed a suspend?
15:35<Arcalyth>goodger it's a touchpad
15:35<Arcalyth>mase_ yes I switched compiz off
15:36<Arcalyth>I'm typing to you now from the computer I'm working on, the suspend/resume gave me my screen back.
15:36<Arcalyth>Just, my mouse is frozen.
15:36<mase_>i wonder about your speed...
15:36<Arcalyth>kill <compiz_processes>
15:36<mase_>you rebooted, switched off compiz, and tryd to suspend?
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15:37<Arcalyth>then suspended through gnome-power-manager
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15:37<mase_>no, i meaned "before" trying to suspend
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15:37<mase_>ah, ok
15:37<Arcalyth>Yeah. killed compiz then suspended with no compiz
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15:38<mase_>so maybe try to disable compiz for ever and test the whole thing again...
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15:42<Arcalyth>mase_: Mouse is still frozen. I never started compiz
15:42<ghee>mase_ ok, too much headbanging for one day. thx for all the help!
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15:42<mase_>thats strange;
15:42<Arcalyth>Is there a kernel module being disabled or something for my touchpad?
15:42<mase_>you did not have this problem with compiz?
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15:43<mase_>is the "rest" working?
15:43<Arcalyth>My cursor was still frozen with compiz, but I also got a blank screen, so this is an improvement =)
15:43<mase_>ah, ok
15:43<rjent_>I am stuck attempting to push to with the following Any ideas would be appreciated. fwiw: I can push to other projects at but not this one.
15:43<Arcalyth>(blank except some dead-pixel looking things and my cursor)
15:43<mase_>seems to me there were two problems
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15:44<mase_>yes, you can force the touchpad's kernel module to get reloaded
15:44<Arcalyth>do you know what that module is called?
15:44<mase_>depends on your computer
15:45<Arcalyth>some common ones? =/
15:45<themill>usually, psmouse
15:45<Arcalyth>according to xorg.conf the driver is "mouse"
15:45<Arcalyth>modprobe mouse, not found
15:46<themill>xorg != kernel
15:46<Arcalyth>themill figured, but at least I'm trying to look =/
15:46<mase_>can you paste a "lsmod" to ?
15:46<Arcalyth>yeah, sec.
15:47<mase_>cool, my server gets another reason to exist...
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15:49<Arcalyth>issue. I don't know how I'm going to paste with no mouse to select the text and no selection feature that I know how to use by keyboard in a terminal..
15:49<Arcalyth>oh duh
15:50<Arcalyth>usb mouse. heh. let's see if that works
15:50<mase_>:D what browser? is STRG working?
15:51<Arcalyth>whee, usb mouse works
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15:54<Arcalyth>why isn't copy/paste working
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15:56<Arcalyth>I can't copy/paste it >_>
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15:56<mase_>you have to get a "microsoft excel" course to get that working ;)
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16:02<hahnp>you can try shift+insert
16:03<ranix>he's having trouble copying it in the first place
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17:28<sun>hi i bought an ethernet switch is this the same as a router? i just want to connect 2 computers to my dsl...
17:28<bsssh>Hey guys! Simple question on bash,.. Is there difference between $var1="$var2$var3" and $var1="$var2""$var3"...?
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17:29<bsssh>no, router is switch with firewalling/port routing capability. Yes it should work.
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17:30<sun>bsssh what is portforwarding for?
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17:30<bsssh>to connect two networks.
17:30<bsssh>for pcs sharing one ip.
17:30<bsssh>one external ip.
17:30<c4_>i have a problem with ntfs-3g and fuse. I can access a dir under linux, but i can`t access the same dir under windows, i think that linux is "encripting" or "adding some user" to the folders and files. what can i do?
17:31<sun>bsssh oh.. but wont both my pcs be sharing the same external ip?
17:32<bsssh>sun it depends. If you want two parallel connections over DSL then switch will do. If you need ONE connection share only router will do.
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17:34<Guest762>hey guys, when an email is sent through my exim4 server, or when an ftp user logs in and uploads files, I want to run mencoder on the jpg files it uploads in real time. Is this possible, to triger the mencoder command upon one of these actions?
17:34<bsssh>c4_ read man ntfs-3g. Possilbly you need to add some mount parameters, like correct locale.
17:34<sun>bsssh i see.. well i dont care either way... i guess it depends on what comcast will do or what the dsl modem will do?
17:35<c4_>bsssh: locale can be that?
17:35<c4_>bsssh: and how do i know the locale of windows?
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17:36<bsssh>sun If you want parallel networking use switch, however if you want merge two or more internal IPs over one external you need router. I would use router.
17:36<sun>bsssh ok... how come router is better??
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17:37<bsssh>sun router is switch with much more intelligence, including traffic shaping.
17:38<goodger>and under no circumstances use a hub
17:38<bsssh>besides two parallel DSL connections might cost extra.
17:38<goodger>it's surprising how many people need to be told that
17:38<bsssh>goodger hub is the neandertaler.
17:39<bsssh>switch is normal bob. router is minister of defence.
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17:41<gbp>is there a lot of difference between the nv and nvidia driver for xorg?
17:41<goodger>bsssh: the "minister of defence" analogy is flawed, considering that the british sec. of state for defence is a moron
17:42<bsssh>gbp nv doesnt support hardware acceleration afaik.
17:42<bsssh>gbp but is open source. so its much more trustworthy.
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17:46<billybigrigger>hi all
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17:46<gbp>bsssh: ok thanks - I'm just having issues getting the binary nvidia driver to install under 2.6.29-rc2 (using the .run package from legacy downloads)
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17:47<bsssh>try smxi... at least it works for debian sid....
17:47<billybigrigger>i had a 500gb HDD (hdb1) formatted and partitioned on a fresh install today
17:47<billybigrigger>and it seems that root is the owner of it, so i cant make dirs or write to it
17:47<billybigrigger>how do i safely change the owner of hdb1 from root to myself?
17:48<billybigrigger>can i chown billy:billy /dev/hdb1 ??? or am i way off here
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17:48<dr|z3d>billybigrigger: You don't. :)
17:48<billybigrigger>well the drive is empty
17:49<billybigrigger>freshly formatted and partitioned today, so theres no data on the disk
17:50<gbp>you need to mount the hdb1 partition into a directory, and then create a directory and modify the permissions for your user
17:50<billybigrigger>it is mounted to a dir
17:50<billybigrigger>. /media/storage
17:50<billybigrigger>want to see my fstab?
17:50<dr|z3d>So chown the mount :)
17:50<bsssh>billybigrigger does that dir have 770?
17:50<billybigrigger>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 6 2009-02-10 12:15 storage
17:51<billybigrigger>will i be fine if i just chown it?
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17:51<bsssh>can you read it as normal user?
17:51<billybigrigger>ya i can read
17:51<billybigrigger>just cant write
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17:51<Guest762>is there a way to make mencoder wait to recieve jpg files and transcode them and stream it realtime?
17:51<bsssh>and you cant write. so make sudo chmod 770 storage
17:51<gbp>chown billy:billy /media/storage ; chmod 770 storage
17:52<dkr>Guest762: heh, I was thinking of that yesterday when you asked about your situation, no I don't think mencoder can do that, it takes all the files as arguments when it starts
17:52<bsssh>oops sorry. 777)
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17:52<billybigrigger>777 worked
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17:52<billybigrigger>root is still owner of that mount though, which is fine
17:52<billybigrigger>thanks :P
17:52<bsssh><billybigrigger> wait)
17:53<gbp>billybigrigger: do you understand what you just did?
17:53<billybigrigger>i think
17:53<billybigrigger>i changed permissions from user read to user r/w???
17:53<bsssh><billybigrigger> it would be much safer if you chown that dir to you billy:billy and do 750. Or chown it to a group, make yourself part of that group and chown 770.
17:54<Guest762>dkr: ffmpeg would you think?
17:54<bsssh><billybigrigger> 777 means everyone can write there... its a proof of concept. its not good for normal use.
17:54<billybigrigger>well thats what i thought in the first place...but its a separte disk, used only for storage music/vids so i wasnt worried about it
17:55<billybigrigger>ill chown it
17:55<dkr>Guest762: I don't know. I've only used it for dvd encoding
17:55<bsssh>best way is to own that dir and close access for all other(750).
17:55<billybigrigger>now chmod 750 gives only my user r/w and everyone else read correct?
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17:55<billybigrigger>or just my user r/w? no read for anyone else?
17:55<bsssh><billybigrigger> owner do all, group rw, not execute. other nothing.
17:56<billybigrigger>bsssh, thanks for the help :P
17:56<billybigrigger>drwxr-x--- 3 billybigrigger billybigrigger 28 2009-02-10 15:52 storage
17:56<billybigrigger>look good?
17:56<billybigrigger>looks good to me :P
17:57<bsssh><billybigrigger> np mate) yep thats it
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17:58<bsssh>4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P
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17:58<billybigrigger>can someone tell me if it was a good idea to use XFS for this system? its basically going to be a file & print server, i thought XFS might be the i correct?
17:59<billybigrigger>bsssh, no ones ever explained it to me like that before :P kinda makes sense now haha
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17:59<billybigrigger>so chmod 677 would be owner R/W group ALL other ALL ????
17:59<bsssh><billybigrigger> I did YERY extensive research several months ago. use reiser for lots of small files. ext3 for all other.
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18:00<billybigrigger>and 776 would be owner ALL group ALL other R/W???
18:00<bsssh><billybigrigger> dont use other FS. they are either ported or less supported.
18:00<themill>dpkg, qotd232 is <reply><bsssh> 4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P
18:00<dpkg>okay, themill
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18:01<themill>dpkg, permissions is also <qotd232>
18:01<dpkg>themill: okay
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18:01<themill>bsssh: :P
18:01<billybigrigger>bsssh, am i understanding those chmod perms correctly?
18:01<billybigrigger>bsssh, well i dont want to reinstall using ext3 haha!
18:01<hmn>i'm trying to use swfdec-mozilla 0.6.0-5 on lenny.. when i load a video on google news, i just get the sound and a my browser freezes. any ideas?
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18:02<bsssh><billybigrigger> yep, you understood it right)
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18:03<bsssh><billybigrigger> reiser has nice features for filesystems using much small files. ext3 rocks for other stuff.
18:03<Txt-file>hmn: search a newer version of swfdec
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18:03<billybigrigger>bsssh, well i thought XFS comes 2nd place to smaller files but on larger files it comes first, and XFS is also the quickest to mount/unmount
18:03<hmn>Txt-file, how would i do that on lenny?
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18:05<themill>hmn: you could try making a backport (don't know how possible that will be, /msg dpkg ssb) or using the Adobe Flash plugin (/msg dpkg adobe flash)
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18:05<Txt-file>hmn: you could install the version from sid
18:06<hmn>themill, ok, but i definitely don't want adobe flash.. i'm trying to avoid non-free for now
18:06<Gun_Smoke>I'm trying to figure out the best way to keep a running backup of /home on an external disk. rsync works well for adding files, but is there a way to have files removed from say /media/disk automatically when they no longer exist at /home ?
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18:06<hmn>Txt-file, i've never installed anything from sid before. how do i do that?
18:07<Txt-file>hmn: the version in sid is better than the etch one but it is also not realy good ..
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18:07<themill>Gun_Smoke: rsync has a --delete option for that, but consider using something like rsnapshot (ask dpkg about it)
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18:08<hmn>Txt-file, right now i'm using the lenny version, not etch. iirc, the etch version was completely unusable
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18:08<Gun_Smoke>I figured there had to be a clever way of doing it, and the disk doesn't have the space for a couple copies laying around on it.
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18:09<Gun_Smoke>"You are moron #1" haha what's that all about?
18:09<Txt-file>hmn: do you know how to compile software?
18:09<themill>Gun_Smoke: you left dpkg dazed and confused
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18:10<themill>Gun_Smoke: rsnapshot will only work on unix filesystems (i.e. not a vfat formatted, needs to be ext3 or similar)
18:10<Gun_Smoke>that's fine here..
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18:10<Guest762>I want to make a webpage that runs some shell commands when a user pushes a button. What do I need to do this, PHP or CGI?
18:10<hmn>Txt-file, i know how to use ./configure and make.... never compiled anything on debian yet
18:12<hmn>with dpkg and so on
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18:12<hmn>i don't know how to build a .deb
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18:13<Txt-file>hmn: then you should use the sid-version <- there you can get it ... download and dpkg -i it
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18:13<hmn>Txt-file, ok, thanks :)
18:14<Txt-file> <- this too
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18:14<hmn>right, i was going to ask about that
18:14<hmn>will it download any other dependencies it needs?
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18:16<hmn>it's been a while since i've installed a .deb directly
18:16<Txt-file>hmn: no ... only dpkg tells it if it can't be installed
18:17<hmn>ok, so it will tell me what i need then?
18:17<hmn>or just that it can't be installed?
18:17<Txt-file>it tells you what is missing
18:18<hmn>thanks again, i'll try it
18:19<billybigrigger>what is the best way to setup file sharing in etch? i have etch installed on this file server, and i will be sharing with another linux laptop and a windows would NFS work in my case or should i setup samba?
18:19<billybigrigger>or is there another way to go about filesharing between nix/windows?
18:19<Txt-file>billybigrigger: I use samba and it works very fine
18:20<billybigrigger>is there a samba gui app?
18:21<billybigrigger>or is it all smb.conf editing?
18:21<Txt-file>sure ...
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18:23<Txt-file>billybigrigger: the smb.conf is simple enough that you don't need a GUI but there are also a few ones
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18:35<kope3>how can i make my own channel?
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18:36<steffan>kope3: that's not a debian issue. :-)
18:36<themill>!irc primer
18:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, irc primer is
18:36<kope3>where do i go for such issues?
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18:36<steffan>kope3: but or oftc might be able to help you. :-)
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18:37<kope3>!!irc primer
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18:37<kope3>!irc primer
18:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, irc primer is
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18:37<kope3>is there an oftc help channel?
18:37<steffan>kope3: you can '/msg dpkg <topic>' if you need debian-support.
18:38<steffan>kope3: yes, /join oftc
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18:38<steffan>kope3: #oftc*
18:38<steffan>themill: any ideas to why my hash key isn't working on irssi?
18:38<kope3>would this be the appropriate channel for ubuntu support?
18:39<steffan>kope3: third time lucky, this is the debian channel.
18:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:39<themill>kope3: no, try #ubuntu on
18:39<themill>steffan: nope... I know nothing about irsii
18:39<steffan>themill: ah, ok. :-)
18:40<steffan>what IRC client do you use out of curiosity, themill?
18:40<steffan>i see.
18:40<kope3>i would like to make an ubuntu channel
18:41<themill>kope3: there is already one on a different network.
18:41<dr|z3d>kope3: It's as simple as /join #ubuntu
18:41<steffan>kope3: go for it. but there is already one on this network, and a very (~1,000 users) large one on freenode.
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18:41<steffan>both channel names will be taken on both networks. :-)
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18:56<hmn>seems the latest swfdec-mozilla doesn't work with google news either. argh!
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18:57<bighornram>Is there a port number that I have to allow so totem can view an asf feed? It appears to connect, then attempts to buffer then says playing but nothing shows up.
19:00<hmn>in fact it's not working on youtube either
19:00<hmn>maybe my computer's just too old
19:00<Txt-file>hmn: what browser?
19:01<hmn>i tried iceweasel also
19:01<billybigrigger>will a package built for lenny work for etch? or what? im trying to download deluge and it has packages built for lenny and sid
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19:02<themill>billybigrigger: unlikely
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19:02<billybigrigger>so compile it myself then
19:03<billybigrigger>so if i compile deluge myself, how do i set it as default torrent app instead of GNOME BitTorrent???
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19:04<gaara>i need hope
19:04<hmn>hmm, seems it needs a codec
19:04<hmn>i'm trying that now
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19:05<gaara>when i try to restore backup the file.tar.gz move to cprestore and nothing happend
19:06<gaara>some one help me plz
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19:07<gaara>no one
19:08*themill wonders what "cprestore" is
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19:14<billybigrigger>how do i get the latest version of setuptools??? im trying to compile deluge-torrent and get this error...
19:14<billybigrigger>The required version of setuptools (>=0.6c6) is not available, and
19:14<billybigrigger>can't be installed while this script is running. Please install
19:14<billybigrigger> a more recent version first.
19:14<billybigrigger>(Currently using setuptools 0.6c3 (/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages))
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19:14<bighornram>how do I make mplayer the default player for iceweasel?
19:14<valdyn>bighornram: edit ~/.mailcap
19:15<valdyn>bighornram: ( for that torrent program )
19:16<Txt-file>where can I find the dhcp/dns logs?
19:16<valdyn>Txt-file: /var/log/messages
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19:17<billybigrigger>how do i get the latest setuptools?
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19:18<debianNooB21>Hi all, how can i tell if my serial port is configure properly?
19:18<maku>Hello, I'm planning to install debian on my pc, but i have 2 questions.
19:18<maku>First, which arch should I select? I have 64 bit intel processor
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19:19<Txt-file>maku: i386 for no problems or amd64 for some resolvable problems and a little more speed at some points
19:20<maku>what problems exactly?
19:20<billybigrigger>how do i update my version of python setuptools???
19:20<billybigrigger>im trying to compile deluge torrent, i have 0.6c3 and need 0.6c6
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19:22<hmn>billybigrigger, google says
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19:35<brezhnev>Buenas noches...
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19:54<lucas_amorim>billybigrigger: did you try "apt-get update" and then "apt-get install PACKAGE"
19:54<billybigrigger>i have the latest
19:54<billybigrigger>i hate compiling
19:55<lucas_amorim>are you using lenny?
19:55<billybigrigger>haha i dont think ive ever succesfully compiled anything
19:55<billybigrigger>i didnt know lenny was available
19:55<lucas_amorim>what then?
19:55<Lounge>story of my life
19:55<billybigrigger>yes etch
19:55<billybigrigger>should i install lenny?
19:55<lucas_amorim>try adding the lenny backports repo to your sources.list
19:56<lucas_amorim>or just upgrade to lenny, maybe a newer version of the package is available there
19:56<lucas_amorim>you'd have to check
19:56<billybigrigger>well its deluge torrent
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19:57<billybigrigger>there's a .deb for lenny and sid (no etch for some reason) so i was trying to compile it myself
19:57<lucas_amorim>what is the name o f the package it is complaining about?
19:57<billybigrigger>and after getting the newest python setuptools, gcc exited error status 1
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19:57<billybigrigger>its not complaining about a package now, its gcc
19:58<Lounge>it can't find gcc or its not the correct version?
19:58<lucas_amorim>python-setuptools is 0.6c8-4 on debian lenny...
19:59<lucas_amorim>billybigrigger: what versoin of gcc does it need? you may be able to setup an environment variable like this CC=gcc-4.3 or whichever the version it needs
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20:03<lucas_amorim>billybigrigger: In my opinion, you should upgrade to lenny or add the lenny backports repository to your etch's sources.list
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20:05<gbp>are the nvidia-glx-legacy-* drivers debian packages of the binary drivers from, or of open source nv drivers?
20:06<Lounge>apt-cache search nvidia-glx
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20:07<lucas_amorim>gbp: These are the non-free drivers, they are not open source
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20:07<lucas_amorim>but I can tell you if they are form
20:08<lucas_amorim>can' t *
20:08<lucas_amorim>sorry, bad keyboard
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20:09<Lounge>nvidia still refuses to go open source with their accelerated 3d drivers.. big boo i say
20:11<lucas_amorim>yes, I use their proprietary drivers :(
20:11<Lounge>still protecting the intellectual property thereof
20:11<gbp>so theoretically if i install the package correctly and try to use the "nvidia" driver for my video, it should "Just Work (tm)" or do I need to do something else?
20:11<ameyer>Lounge: s/intellectual/imaginary/
20:11<ameyer>(and I might add potentially violating the GPL)
20:11<Lounge>am~ lawers
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20:13<bjsm>hi all
20:13<Lounge>i don't see why nvidea doesn't make some open source acelerated drivers that doesn't have any of their intellectual mumbo jumbo in them :/
20:13<lucas_amorim>gpb: well, I didn't go that way when I installed my nvidia card. I just downloaded an executable script from their own site. If you have problems with their installer, I think there is an irc at freenode called #nvidia-installer or something
20:14<lucas_amorim>Lounge: lol
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20:14<Lounge>i said something funny? interesting
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20:14<gbp>lucas_amorim: yeah, I tried the .run executable but it didn't work for me under my new kernel (2.6.29), but it worked under the 2.6.26-1-686 which came installed with lenny, but I wanted to upgrade/customise the kernel and not stay with 2.6.26
20:15<gbp>lucas_amorim: I tried to find out what the hell was going wrong too, using all sorts of tools, but even the .run doesn't give useful errors - the information it prints in its so called debugging log is the same information it prints on screen
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20:17<lucas_amorim>gpb: I think the problem is about the xen support in the kernel, I had this problem, but I am afraid this is off-topic here
20:17<billybigrigger>whats newest lenny?
20:18<gbp>lucas_amorim: 2.6.26 is fundamentally different to 2.6.29?
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20:18<gbp>i will just go back to 2.6.26 and customize the config and see if the NVIDIA .run thing works I guess
20:18<adama>billybigrigger: yes, which will be just "lenny" on saturday *crossed fingers*
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20:19<billybigrigger>so on saturday im going to have to install lenny all over?
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20:19<billybigrigger>well ill keep etch until saturday then :P
20:19<adama>on saturday they will hopefully release lenny, but it should be identical to the current lenny_rc2
20:19<ameyer>you wouldn't need to reinstall
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20:20<ameyer>a simple dist-upgrad should work
20:20<adama>and no, you never need to "reinstall"
20:20<bighornram>How do I change my default player/plugin for iceweasel FROM Totem TO mplayer?
20:20<adama>bighornram: it's in the prefs somplace I think
20:20<lucas_amorim>gbp: I am not knowledged enough to help you further, but the guys in the nvidia installer channel surely are :p
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20:40<astronut>does anyone use electricsheep, and if so, do you use an alternate server? i can only get coral cache errors with a default install
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20:44<goodger>astronut: I have no problems with it whatsoever
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20:50<astronut>goodger: if i run it in debug mode, i get filesize errors, if i go to those URLs they are "over hourly quota" messages from nyud
20:50<bighornram>how do i tell what gstreamer plugins I have installed?
20:50<abrotman>bighornram: dpkg -l "*gstreamer*"
20:51<goodger>astronut: interesting
20:51*goodger checks
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20:51<goodger>no, mine is running fine still
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20:52<astronut>is the URL it attempts to grab
20:52<heffay>my computer crashed in the middle of an update and now when i apt-get update i get an error
20:52<heffay>dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0127'
20:52<dpkg>heffay: bugger all, i dunno
20:52<astronut>deleted incomplete sheep id=33032 got=449 want=4718253
20:52<astronut>abrotman: exactly
20:52<abrotman>astronut: stop hogging all the bandwidth!
20:52<abrotman>heffay: dpkg --configure -a ?
20:52<heffay>tried that
20:53<heffay>thats the error it returned
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20:54<abrotman>heffay: what's in the 0127 directory ?
20:54<astronut>abrotman: i'll try to restart right at the hour
20:54<abrotman>astronut: you assume the quote starts on the hour
20:54<astronut>abrotman: i assume it's a possibility - so it's worth attempting
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20:56<heffay>a bunch of files
20:56<heffay>.adobe, .bashrc, .config, etc
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20:58<heffay>the exact error im getting is this
20:58<heffay> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0127' near line 1:
20:58<dpkg>heffay: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
20:58<heffay> EOF after field name `ER17cmExecutionStatus'
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20:59<abrotman>i'm not sure if you can just remove that directory or not
21:01<heffay>what if i try temporarily renaming it?
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21:01<heffay>and running apt agagin
21:01<heffay>i dont even know what that dir is for
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21:04<astronut>abrotman: now i'm getting failed to connect
21:04<abrotman>astronut: you broke it
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21:05<abrotman>i'm still getting a quota error
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21:06<bighornram>how do I uninstall the iceweasel plugin for windows media?
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21:07<bighornram>I've removed all totem files from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins but it still is present in preferences in iceweasel
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21:08<heffay>anyone want to take a crack at this?
21:10<abrotman>heffay: it's still not going ?
21:11<abrotman>nothing or something ?
21:11<heffay>nothing has changed
21:11<heffay>apt is still messed up
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21:12<lskjflskjf>anyone seen a reliable "url generator" for linux?
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21:12<stew>lskjflskjf: what does a url generator do?
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21:13<abrotman>like tinyurl ?
21:13<heffay>ha you were abrotman
21:14<heffay>rm /updates seems to have worked
21:14<abrotman>all of it?
21:14<lskjflskjf>i first saw it as a feature in HiDownload. it allows user to create list of urls to download.
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21:14<abrotman>i was abrotman!!!!!!!!!!!
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21:14<goodger>abrotman: you are abrotman
21:15<abrotman>i am abrotman!!!!!!!!!!!
21:15<goodger>abrotman: you will be abrotman in the future
21:15<abrotman>3pm, judge wapner
21:15<abrotman>fifteen minutes
21:16<astronut>he could have a sexchange and become abrotwoman
21:16<goodger>astronut: wouldn't be as catchy
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21:16<stew>then he'd be abortman
21:16<abrotman>argh ...
21:17<rickbot>hey, sex changes are off-topic here!
21:17<astronut>i guess i could pass it through a proxy to chop of the
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21:22<heffay>scratch that its still fubar
21:22<heffay>i have no idea whats wrong with it
21:22<abrotman>different error ?
21:22<heffay>no same thing
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21:24<heffay>if i remove /updates and dpkg --configure -a i get "cannot scan updates directory `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/': No such file or directory"
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21:25<abrotman>you probably want that there
21:25<abrotman>$ ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/updates/
21:25<abrotman>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-02-10 19:48 /var/lib/dpkg/updates/
21:26<heffay>mine is the same
21:27<astronut>try an apt-get update once you create it
21:27<abrotman>try the dpkg --configure -a again ?
21:28<heffay>it doesnt change anything
21:28<abrotman>whihc ?
21:29<heffay>when i apt-get update i get cannot scan updates directory `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/': No such file or directory
21:29<heffay>the error is dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correctthe problem
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21:30<astronut>and what error do you get when you run that?
21:30<abrotman>heffay: ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/updates/
21:31<abrotman>oh ..
21:31<abrotman>which is it now ?
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21:31<abrotman>yes .. which ?
21:31<heffay>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-02-10 18:17 updates
21:31<abrotman>the updates or the configure ?
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21:32<astronut>what's the output from dpkg --configure -a
21:32<abrotman>i got a gal .. in kalamazoo
21:32<heffay>parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0127' near line 1:
21:32<heffay> EOF after field name `ER17cmExecutionStatus'
21:32<abrotman>again ?
21:33<heffay>it never went away
21:33<abrotman>but 0127 is gone now ?
21:33<heffay>no its there
21:34<abrotman>heffay: ls /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0127/ .. pastebin please
21:34<heffay>if mv 0127 and --configure again i get
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21:34<heffay>parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0132' near line 1:
21:34<heffay> field name `' must be followed by colon
21:34<abrotman>you had power failure ?
21:34<heffay>the computer rebooted out of of nowhere in the middle of an upgrade
21:36<heffay>it does that sometimes when im compiling. i dont know if its running too hot or what, the power supply is 450w so i dont its lack of voltage
21:36<abrotman>heffay: i'd guess to remove your apt cache .. empty the updates directory .. touch /forcefsck and reboot
21:36<abrotman>clean your apt cache
21:37<heffay>i just touch /forcefsck
21:37<heffay>rebbot now?
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21:41<lskjflskjf>i'm having trouble configuring my http/https/ftp proxy settings/env variables
21:42<lskjflskjf>they don't seem to be having any effect when i set them
21:42<abrotman>effect on what ?
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21:43<lskjflskjf>i'm trying to use wget to grab something but through a proxy
21:43<lskjflskjf>basically i'm trying to set my http_proxy environmental variable
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21:47<abrotman>supposedly it respects $http_proxy
21:47<abrotman>though there's also a username/pass option
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21:47<lskjflskjf>then i think my problem is in setting the variable itself
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21:48<lskjflskjf>that's the syntax i was using.
21:48<abrotman>using where?
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21:48<lskjflskjf>just declaring it from the console
21:49<abrotman>export foo=bar
21:49<abrotman>i'm assuming bash
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21:54<heffay>well it still doesnt work, but at least the error msg is different now
21:56<abrotman>eh ?
21:58<billybigrigger>do i need to download all 5 dvd's for a lenny install???
21:58<heffay>the new error is parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0132' near line 1: field name `' must be followed by colon
21:58<Hydroxide>billybigrigger: no, the first one will do, though in order to install any packages from the other dvd's you'll need to configure Debian to use our online package repositories instead
21:59<Hydroxide>billybigrigger: (the installer will make that easy)
21:59<billybigrigger>dvd 1 is the install dvd
21:59<Hydroxide>billybigrigger: yeah. as I said, that will suffice.
21:59<billybigrigger>then just edit my apt sources correct
21:59<Hydroxide>billybigrigger: yes. it'll even ask you to choose a network mirror during the install
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21:59<billybigrigger>ok cool
22:00<billybigrigger>anyone have any good links to lenny dvd covers???
22:00<Hydroxide>billybigrigger: you may at some point want to remove the CD from the apt sources (and then run aptitude update or apt-get update) so that it doesn't want you to have the CD in there
22:01<billybigrigger>man this makes me mad :P i got etch installed this morning and config a bunch of stuff and have to do it all over again! bah!
22:01<abrotman>heffay: aptitude clean .. remove the contents of the updates directory .. try again ?
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22:02<billybigrigger>probably the first time i've ever gotten print sharing working correctly and i gotta re-do it haha
22:02<billybigrigger>oh well
22:02<heffay>aptitude command not found
22:03<Hydroxide>billybigrigger: you don't have to
22:03<Hydroxide>billybigrigger: you can upgrade from etch to lenny
22:03<billybigrigger>ill do a fresh install
22:03<billybigrigger>i dont ever trust upgrades
22:03<kabarsedge>heffay: did you do a step by step install
22:04<Hydroxide>if you like. Debian tests them a lot more than the vast majority of OSes, including both Windows and Ubuntu (and to a slightly lesser extent, Mac OS X too)
22:04<abrotman>heffay: apt-get clean ?
22:04<heffay>aptitude was installed
22:04<heffay>in fact, aptitude is what i was doing when the computer crashed
22:04<kabarsedge>it might be a path issue
22:04<abrotman>that can't be good
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22:06<Hydroxide>billybigrigger: if you want to see what's involved in upgrading, here's a draft version (still not finalized of course) of the release notes:
22:07<Hydroxide>billybigrigger: they're pretty close to final - the release is targeted for this Saturday. Happy Valentine's Day :)
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22:08<billybigrigger>hah, gf will love me, spending a day playin with the new release
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23:20<levani>grub won't let me boot from CD, what can I do?
23:20<goodger>boot to CD with your BIOS?
23:21<levani>goodger, that's what I'm doing
23:21<levani>but it takes me to grub screen
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23:21<goodger>levani: then grub is installed on the CD in the drive
23:22<levani>nope, I'm trying to boot from a cd that has winXP
23:22<goodger>then your BIOS is not actually booting to the CD, or else the CD does not have an appropriate windows bootloader correctly loaded onto it
23:23<levani>BIOS shows me the text: Booting from CD...
23:23<levani>I'm gonna check cd in my other comp
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23:35<heffay>can someone help me fix my broken apt? i lost power during an upgrade
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23:39<kop>heffay: You'll have to tell us what it says is wrong.
23:40<heffay>when i dpkg --configure -a it replies
23:40<heffay>parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0132' near line 1:
23:40<heffay> field name `' must be followed by colon
23:43<kop>heffay: I'd try "aptitude upgrade" again, but that's just me. Better to rely on somebody who knows what they're talking about. For all I know my suggestion would make things worse.
23:43<craigevil>i would try apt-get clean then run apt-get update or aptitude update again
23:44<kop>That makes sense.
23:45<heffay>aptitude not found even though its installed
23:45<heffay>apt-get clean and update dont fix anything
23:46<heffay>this is really messed up. i feel like im might have to reinstall from scratch
23:46<craigevil>delete everything in /var/lib/dpkg/updates
23:48<heffay>whoa craigevil. that did it
23:48<heffay>good show!
23:48<heffay>what does that directory contain?
23:48<craigevil>figured it would i check in mine and it was empty and i do apt-get dist-upgrade daily
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