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01:33<And1>Hey folks. Is it possible to have transparency in xterm with xcompmgr?
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03:05<SaM_>hi im currently struggling with an postfix setup i just want to filter mails with spamassassin and check them against virus with clam
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03:06<jm_>spamass-milter - milter for filtering mail through spamassassin
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03:08<SaM_>the whole thing with filter is working
03:09<SaM_>the problem that i have is that a mail with the same sender as recipient will get bounced
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03:10<SaM_>my server is working as an relay it getrs the mail from isp checks them and send them to my exchange server
03:10<jm_>why does it bounce it?
03:11<SaM_>cause my relay tries to auth against my internal exchange with the smtp_auth data for the external
03:11<SaM_>i have to work with smtp_sender_dependent_authentication
03:13<SaM_>and somehow he mess up with external auth against internal smtp
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03:15<jm_>yeah sounds like a plan
03:16<SaM_>no sounds like my problem :)
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03:21<SaM_>thats whats in my log
03:21<SaM_>6BA1B39F3664E: to=<>, relay=none, delay=28219, delays=28219/0.07/0/0, dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: SASL authentication failed: server x.x.x.x[x.x.x.x] offered no compatible authentication mechanisms for this type of connection security)
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03:23<jm_>also try #postfix on freenode
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03:31<soulier-jean-patrick>ça fé com msn
03:31<soulier-jean-patrick>moi il manque des truc
03:32<soulier-jean-patrick>elle f chier boquet elle veut pas d'imprimer
03:32<soulier-jean-patrick>o faite les xpo je l est imprimer il sont dan mon chaier dhistoir den une pochette
03:32<cdi7>il te manque
03:32<@Ganneff>please speak english
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03:32<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
03:33<soulier-jean-patrick>hello you are yoi
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03:33<soulier-jean-patrick>hello you are you
03:33<soulier-jean-patrick>you are you yesterday
03:34<cdi7>i doesn't speak english
03:34<@Ganneff>this is a support channel for Debian. do you have any debian question?
03:35<SaM_>jm_ can you have a short look against this snippet of the log:
03:35<SaM_>it seems that he mixes up the sender and recipient information
03:37<cdi7>do you speak french?
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03:37<soulier-jean-patrick_>do you conne
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03:38<cdi7>you are phoque
03:39<dr|z3d>!tell cdi7 about !fr
03:39<soulier-jean-patrick_>y ki
03:39<dr|z3d>cdi7: Go away, please. You can't even insult corrrectly in English.
03:39<soulier-jean-patrick_>do you speak french
03:39<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
03:40<soulier-jean-patrick_>tu parles français dpkg
03:40<cdi7>gros cul pd
03:40*dr|z3d mumbles something about jokers and kickage.
03:40<soulier-jean-patrick_>di comment tu tapelle en fraçais et tu habite pour que je defonse ta geule de chien
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03:42<jm_>SaM_: it doesn't look like it mixes anything to me
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03:42<cdi7>you are sexi
03:43<dr|z3d>Ganneff: You missed one ;)
03:43<SaM_>jm_ at line 13 he tries to send it to the internal smtp but he thinks that he needs to auth
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03:43<@Ganneff>dr|z3d: no
03:43*dr|z3d smiles.
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03:45<SaM_>jm_: allthough the sender is not @localdomain.tld he tries to auth with data from @localdomain.tld
03:45<jm_>SaM_: but that's probably because configuration says to do that?
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04:16<SaM_>jm_ if it is so how to tell my postfix if there comes a mail for user@domainA or user@domainB never ever try to smtp_auth but if a mail comes from user@domainA or user@domainB you have to auth
04:17<SaM_>so to say everything that comes in needs no auth but everythings that goes out needs i
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04:24<jm_>SaM_: better ask in #postfix on freenode, I never really messed with it
04:25<SaM_>jm_ thanks anyway but theres no one who wants to help :(
04:25<jm_>SaM_: be patient ;)
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05:19<Washi>hello guys; several days ago wrote here with a problem with subtitles integrated in video
05:19<Washi>does anyone know a tool for demuxing subs from those files
05:19<Washi><debian lenny>
05:20<jm_>what kind of video?
05:20<Washi>it's anime
05:21<jm_>is it DVD or what?
05:21<Washi>no, it's from the Internet
05:21<Washi>not recorded on any media
05:21<jm_>ahh then the only way is to graphically edit it
05:22<Washi>how can I accomplish that
05:23<Washi>because it seems that the video player doesn't recognise the subs
05:23<Washi>I want to try with separate .srt files
05:24<Washi>this way I'll check whether the video player recognises the subs
05:25<Washi>or generally has problems with subs
05:25<petemc>did you ever confirm that the subtitles were integrated?
05:25<petemc>how so?
05:25<Washi>tested on other machines with windows
05:25<Washi>subs visible
05:26<jm_>so just load external ones and position them over existing subs I suppose
05:26<Washi>yes but the problem is
05:26<petemc>there are websites that offer srt files for most warezed videos
05:26<Washi>you are right but anime-subs is a special case...
05:27<Washi>the fans won't publish the separate for download
05:27<Washi>so I have to manually extract them from video
05:27<jm_>why if they are already showing
05:28<jm_>you'll need to use OCR to extract them, just like it's done for DVD discs
05:28<Washi>I asked the same several teams of fans who translate from japanese into english, but the answer was not satisfactory
05:28<stevecotton>you want to watch legit DVD + fan subbing, because the fan sub is better?
05:28<Washi>they "prefer" not to
05:29<Washi>not exactly
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05:29<Washi>dvd-ripped video, on the net
05:29<Washi>with integrated subs
05:29<Washi>but I cannot see the subs
05:29<Washi>on this machine
05:30<Washi>fan subs are the ssame in the videos
05:30<Washi>but they integrate them and do not publish them for download
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05:30<Washi>which is, IMO, stupid
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05:31<Washi>but to file a bug report, I must be sure
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05:32<Washi>that's why I want to check by loading external subs, .srt files
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05:32<Washi>you mentioned I need OCR programs
05:33<Washi>what do they actually do and could you give some examples;
05:33<Washi>never used such before
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05:34<jm_>well I have no idea what else integrated subtitles could be, not that I am an expert or anything
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05:36<Washi>at an IRC channel about this type of video,
05:36<Washi>some guys said
05:36<Washi>I can extract the subs by
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05:37<michaelk>MY DICKDICK IS SO HUGE
05:37<michaelk>I HAVE A NIGGERDICK
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05:38<michaelk><michaelk> nigger
05:38<michaelk><michaelk> jew
05:38<michaelk><michaelk> MY DICKDICK IS SO HUGE
05:38<michaelk><michaelk> I HAVE A NIGGERDICK
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05:38<stevecotton>!customer debhelper
05:40<jm_>Washi: I have no idea what demuxing has to do with this, perhaps it's included as another track, but I have never heard of this or seen such videos
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05:41<Washi>ok, I understand; thanks very much, I suppose I will file a bug report and let's keep fingers crossed
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06:21<DJNomad>sup debian users
06:21<DJNomad>I am a user or debians grandson i guess you could call it just wanted to drop in and say thanks grandpa
06:21<DJNomad>aka i use linux mint
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06:55<fafa>Hi is there someone ?
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06:56*jm_ looks there
06:56<jm_>nope, noone
06:56<fafa>funny you
06:57<fafa>maybe you can help me ?
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06:59<fafa>I can't connect to my localhost through applications (jack and bristol for example), and through telnet it doesn't work too
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06:59<fafa>ssh localhost is OK, and my apache too
06:59<fafa>tcpdump didn't say much about
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07:00<jm_>telnet needs telnet daemon, not a good idea, just use ssh
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07:01<fafa>ssh is OK but I can't connect to localhost through jack for example
07:01<jm_>what's the error? is it listening?
07:01<fafa>the message is "connection refused"
07:01<jm_>!connection refused
07:01<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
07:02<fafa>ok I have no iptables on this PC
07:02<fafa>so it can't be firewall linked problems I think
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07:03<themill>are they actually listening on localhost? look at the output of "netstat -plantu"
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07:05<fafa>the port is not listened to
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07:05<jm_>then it won't work
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07:06<fafa>ok I'm fixing it
07:09<fafa>well I have another question
07:09<fafa>some applications can't open /dev/dsp (for sound so) but nothing's running on it (lsof)
07:09<themill>does it exist?
07:10<jm_>fafa: that's used for OSS, try configuring them for ALSA, and if you can't, try starting them via aoss
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07:10<fafa>yeah I read that
07:11<fafa>it seems there's the snd_pcm mode missing
07:12<jm_>do you see it in /proc/devices?
07:12<jm_>if not, then you haven't got snd_pcm_oss loaded
07:13<fafa>sound is in /proc/devices
07:14<jm_>so the module is loaded
07:14<fafa>it doesn't appear in lsmod
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07:15<fafa>okay sorry
07:15<fafa>I got snd_pcm but it wants snd_pcm_state
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07:27<flammes>#96 89x [ 14M] [BC]Berserk_Vol34_Chap298_FR.rar
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07:42<rgonzalez3>aki ai alguien??=S
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08:21<rgonzalez3>akii kien coño se metee?=S
08:21<rgonzalez3>stoo es una mierdaa
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08:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:22<stew>(i think)
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08:29<dgodfather>Hi everyone
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08:31<dgodfather>i am using guarddog to configure iptables, and i love it. but what i am missing is the ability to see intrusion detection like firestarter gives.
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08:31<dgodfather>can anyone tell me how do i see such information when using guarddog? i looked in the guarddog manual nothing about it there
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08:34<TTT>hi, for some reason gdesklets keeps crashing on startup on my lenny setup
08:35<TTT>does anyone else have this problem?
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08:49<eljefe_overhere>When Lenny is release, how quickly will a newer kernel (2.6.27 or .28) be available in Sid or Experimental?
08:51<jm_>2.6.28 is available from kernel team
08:52<stew>and since 2.6.28 is already built, you wont see a 2.6.27 in debian
08:53<eljefe_overhere>sure. i didn't know about the kernel team, I thought it would make its way into experimental... Does that include headers etc for running VirtualBox ?
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08:55<themill>!trunk kernel
08:55<dpkg>hmm... trunk kernel is visit for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels Remember that these kernels are not intended for you to use them and they may eat your first-born.
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09:18<Aidono>looking for help : i'm newbie running kubuntu; how do i select multiple items in filemanager (windows : shift select) ?
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09:19<Aidono>in kde , if you want to select 10 items that are listed together, can you do that with two key-click combinations ?
09:19<themill>Aidono: try asking in #kubuntu on
09:19<Aidono>thx, will do
09:20<themill>Aidono: the short answer is that konqueror works the same as (or better than) windows file manager for that sort of thing.
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09:32<martinkunev>does someone know what is going on with Debian 5?
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09:33<themill>martinkunev: /topic
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09:33<martinkunev>themill sorry, I didn't saw it
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09:38<esteban__>krishina hola
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09:48<locsmif>Hi. Could someone give me an accurate definition of what a reverse dependency is? I know what it means, but I need to be able to cite some official (debian policy or so) definition
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09:49<weasel>I don't think there is an official definition.
09:49<weasel>if there was it'd be in the reference or policy.
09:49<themill>locsmif: take the definition of a dependency and reverse it. (no I'm not just being a smart arse)
09:50<stew>locsmif: "a Depends: b" means that a is a reverse dependency of b.
09:50<stew>locsmif: note that apt-cache rdepends will also say that "a Recommends: b" also means that a is a reverse dependency
09:51<locsmif>Then would it be accurate to say a reverse dependency is a package that depends on the package that lists it
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09:51<locsmif>themill, stew ok
09:51<stew>locsmif: yes
09:51<weasel>locsmif: usually you don't talk of a single reverse dependency
09:52<weasel>you talk of the reverse dependencies of X as the set of packages that depend on X.
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09:53<weasel>"Please remove foobarpkg from testing; it has no reverse dependencies"
09:53<weasel>"Please remove foobarpkg from testing; its reverse dependencies are qux and quuux, they need to go also"
09:54<locsmif>heh, that's pretty f-ed up by the way. One day you wake and see that one of the packages your package depends on, is gone. Exit your package too ;-)
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09:55<locsmif>Thanks for those answers guys
09:56<weasel>you probably don't ask for that unless qux and quux are also your packages or you talked to the maintainers.
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09:58<locsmif>I suppose the FTP maintainer does an rdepends calculation whenever a package is deleted from the repo..
09:59<stew>locsmif: yes
09:59<stew>well, not necessarily
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10:07<kanis>server localhost
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10:14<msa>If I am using debian cdbs and autotools (in rules and, how to prevent source tarball containing all the automake -generated crap?
10:14<msa>(I want just and included)
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10:28<binarymutant>msa, #debian-mentors might offer better help
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10:29<msa>binarymutant, ah thanks.. will try that later... i need to exit now...
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10:31<Azazzs>amybody know howto use apache reverse proxy and squirrelmail.....i can proxy to /squirrelmail ok but i think im not getting the html link translation right i cant log in.
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10:45<jean_>has anyone been able to get ati firemv 2400 PCIE working with xorg (more than two monitors). The only thing that worked for me is xig graphics which is a replacement for xorg (commercial product) the demo is working but to buy it costs $300. Just making sure there is nothing else I can do before buying
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10:56<iykrichie>hi all..
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10:57<iykrichie>who knows about asterisks in here
10:57<petemc>asterisk, the pbx, has its own channel i believe
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11:00<schasi>Can i somehow start the kernel in "debug" mode? Or the init scripts? My etch boots up to "Setting up ALSA... done (none loaded)." and hangs with no error at all
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11:05<iykrichie>no one knows how to use asterisks in here right?
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11:05<stew>iykrichie: people probably do, but you haven't yet asked a good question
11:06<iykrichie>stew isnt it clear enough that i need help
11:06<stew>iykrichie: yes, that seems clear
11:06<iykrichie>should i start speaking spanish.. ok.. i need help pls people.. assist me
11:06<stew>iykrichie: however, we can't help without knowing more about what you need help with
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11:07<stew>iykrichie: if you want to speak spanish, try #debian-es
11:07<stew>iykrichie: what exactly do you need assistance with?
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11:07<iykrichie>lol@stew.. can u helpe me set it up on my 8.10
11:07<stew>iykrichie: what do you mean by 8.10? ubuntu?
11:08<stew>iykrichie: wrong channel then. try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es on
11:08<themill>iykrichie: try #ubuntu-es on
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11:08<schasi>locsmif: thank you
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11:08<stew>iykrichie: or #asterisk on
11:08<locsmif>schasi, np
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11:10<Azazzs>any reverse proxy (apache) masters :P
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11:16<Azazzs>it there a newb debian irc somewhere
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11:16<dpkg>newbie is, like, someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/)
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11:17<Azazzs>all of it
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11:24<dpkg>well, sound is ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>.
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12:00<Bleupomme>hello, I added a route to my interfaces file. Now when I try to restart the network, it gives me ReconfiguriReconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File existsFailed to bring up eth1.
12:00<Bleupomme>Can anybody help me?
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12:01<dkr>what's the exact line you added?
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12:02<Bleupomme>up route add -host gw route del -host gw
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12:08<binarymutant>what does the madison mean in 'apt-cache madison python2.6'
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12:09<locsmif>binarymutant, man apt-cache
12:09<stew>binarymutant: in the past, all the scripts which ran the debian archive were named with girls names. madison was one of them
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12:10<binarymutant>thanks stew
12:10<locsmif>Bleupomme, don't know
12:11<Bleupomme>locsmif: That's a problem because I don't know either :(
12:12<stew>binarymutant: i'd recommend changing your up line to "route add -host gw dev eth0" (or replace eth0 with the appropriate nic). so that the route goes away when the interface does
12:12<stew>Bleupomme: ^^
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12:13<stew>Bleupomme: or, can you show us the output of "route -n" before running ifup?
12:13<stew>oh, i guess eth0 should be eth1
12:13<Bleupomme>stew: will try that
12:14<Bleupomme>stew: it does not matter actually because I can add it on the command line. And I tried to restart the interface with the route existing and non-existing
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12:14<Bleupomme>neither works
12:14<stew>Bleupomme: show us
12:15<stew>Bleupomme: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
12:16<Bleupomme>stew: actually something weird happened. It gives me this error even if I remove the route lines
12:16<stew>Bleupomme: show us /etc/network/interfaces
12:17<locsmif>Doesn't SIOCADDRT imply an error *adding* a route
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12:17<locsmif>then how can it have given that error when you said you tried it without the route
12:18<stew>locsmif: perhaps becuase ifup adds a route for the network that the primary address is on
12:18<Bleupomme>it gives me this error now without the route. I don't understand
12:18<stew>Bleupomme: note that you can remove the network/broadcast lines
12:19<locsmif>stew, aha
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12:19<stew>Bleupomme: show us the output of 'route -n'
12:19<stew>(well ifup doesn't add, but ifconfig that it calls does)
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12:19<Bleupomme>I removed the route.
12:20<locsmif>you should be getting the error manually too
12:20<locsmif>can you reproduce it by simply typing the add command twice
12:20<stew>Bleupomme: run "ifdown eth1"; does it succeed? or does it say "not configured"?
12:20<Bleupomme>I cannot do that. I am working from far far far away
12:20<stew>i'm guessing that eth1 was broght up manually, and ifupdown doesn't know that
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12:21<stew>Bleupomme: cat /etc/network/run/ifstate
12:21<locsmif>eating pizza and typing in irc is difficult btw ;)
12:22<stew>Bleupomme: yeah, that is the problem then
12:22<stew>Bleupomme: eth1 was broght up manually, not via /etc/init.d/networking or ifup (so not using /etc/network/interfaces). so now trying to bring it up again is causing a duplicate route to be added
12:23<stew>Bleupomme: if eth1 was brought up via ifupdown ifstate would also contain "eth1=eth1"
12:23<Bleupomme>stew: ok. What can I do without loosing the connection?
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12:23<stew>Bleupomme: why would you have to do anything?
12:24<Bleupomme>stew: I can add the route. If the server restarts the network will work again?
12:24<stew>Bleupomme: what started eth1 this time?
12:25<Bleupomme>Actually it should have started automatically during boot
12:25<stew>Bleupomme: yeah, but by what?
12:25<stew>Bleupomme: it wasn't started by /etc/init.d/networking
12:25<Bleupomme>stew: It should have been the normal boot procedure
12:26<stew>Bleupomme: however it wasn't
12:26<Bleupomme>stew: actually it should have
12:26<stew>i agree
12:26<stew>but it didn't
12:26<stew>or else, it did, then someone stopped networking, and brought it back up by hand
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12:26<Bleupomme>stew: wait checking somtehing
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12:27<locsmif>does a failure of ifup not cause eth1 to be removed from ifstate?
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12:29<Bleupomme>stew: don't know what it could have been then
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12:30<Bleupomme>stew: nobody on the spot has the password to login, and the server is locked in a server room
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12:30<Bleupomme>stew: but you think I could just add the routes to the interfaces file and forget about it?
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12:30<Bleupomme>stew: no risk of eth1 not coming up during restart?
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12:32<steffan>hello. :-)
12:32<locsmif>Bleupomme, add a safety mechanism if needed
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12:32<locsmif>write a script that executes last (in bootmisc or so), checks if eth1 is up and brings it up manually if not
12:33<locsmif>bootmisc should start after networking
12:33<Bleupomme>locsmif: yes I will do that.
12:33<Bleupomme>Thank you for your help guys
12:33<nicholas__>I wrote a udev rule to run a script when a particular usb device is connected... but udev runs that script several times... how to make it run just once ?
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12:34<locsmif>Bleupomme, you could grep into ifstate
12:34<locsmif>(just a tip)
12:36<nicholas__>no one to give a tip on the udev question ?
12:36<steffan>if I'm installing openssl on a server (so that IRC clients can connect), can you get a certificate of somesort or do you just install it?
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12:37<steffan>nicholas__: did you look at
12:37<nicholas__>steffan, it's just that udev runs the script several times.. I wanted it to run just once
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12:38<steffan>what does the rule act on?
12:39<steffan>if you know the path to what it acts on, then you can use udevtest and find out what is triggering it to run multiple times.
12:39<nicholas__>it's a gsm modem
12:39<nicholas__>i'm trying to autodial it
12:39<nicholas__>on connect
12:39<steffan>udevtest /dev/ttyUSB0
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12:41<nicholas__>udevtest will work even if I'm testing vendorid and productid ?
12:42<nicholas__>my problem is just that the script run 7 seven times.. I know it works.. but udev run it 7 times, breaking the connection
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12:44<steffan>i know, that's why you can use udevtest, so it shows the output of what it will do when it act.
12:45<steffan>and you _might_ be able to find out the cause.
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12:52<D6>Hello. After latest upgrade I cannot start Qt designer. strace prints tons of connect(18, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(631), sin_addr=inet_addr("")}, 16) = 0
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12:57<D6>lsof printed "rpc.mount 2575 root 5u IPv4 8848 TCP *:ipp (LISTEN)". It's seems to be a bug, bacause IPP port was taken by NFS user server
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13:00<D6>And everyone who wants to connect to ipp service will be disappointed by NFS answers :)
13:00<luc>ciao a tutti
13:00<dpkg>one warez list being sent to luc
13:01<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:01<nicholas__>steffan, I've made it, I've just modified the comparison order.. and it worked
13:02<nicholas__>steffan, thanks anyway :)
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13:04<stew>why is it always italians that do !list?
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13:05<fxiny>luc: yes, could you tell me why you asking for list ?
13:05<fxiny>and , is this the forst time you join #debian ?
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13:06<fxiny>luc: are you real ?
13:07*fxiny thinks banana secret service bots are sooo crappy :P
13:08<fxiny>enouf: ;)
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13:14<Tuplad>how do I correctly mount an external hdd ?
13:14<Tuplad>with a vfat partition
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13:14<metalqga>it should mount automagically
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13:15<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>
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13:16<stew>!automount is also <halevt>
13:16<dpkg>okay, stew
13:16<stew>!halevt is a clean-room rewrite of <ivman> which is a generic handler for hal events
13:16<dpkg>okay, stew
13:16<adama>how do I make mounted volumes not make shortcuts on the Desktop?
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13:17<adama>or is that in one of those factoids
13:18<themill>stew: why did we need a "clean room" reimplementation of ivman?
13:18<fxiny>oh btw . today i've checked kde-core on a lenny fluxbox only box . kde was saying something about a missing swap , i'm sure swap is ok . does lenny kde want a "file" swap . i removed kde later but i'll check it again
13:18<stew>i refuse to answer on the grounds that I don't want to admit that I heard it might have licensing issues
13:18<themill>stew: ahhh...
13:19<stew>this is what the halevt author has told me. my query into it got no response
13:19<themill>halevt is not in lenny, however.
13:19<stew>but getting ivman into debian required me getting the authors to relicense it from trolltech to trolltech/gpl, and I'm guessing that maybe not all authors were consulted
13:19<themill>ahh yay
13:19<stew>and there is no longer an ivman upstream
13:20<themill>stew: yes, "currently maintained by ???" is never a good look
13:20<stew>unless i am it, and I've never acutally done a release of it, i just have lots of fixes sitting in there svn with nobody even looking at them
13:20<c4_>im about to create some filesystems in a new serial ata2 750 GB disk. What kind of filesystems showld i use for the system? and should i use the same filesystem for files between 2 and 20 MB or should i use another fs for that?
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13:21<fxiny>i like that
13:21<themill>stew: you going to RoM ivman post-lenny then?
13:21<stew>if nobody starts maintaining it
13:22<stew>which is "probably"
13:22<fxiny>why is history not recording it ? ^ i mean : ^old^new
13:22*themill fires off a quick RC bug against ivman...
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13:24<fxiny>would be nice pressing up arrow and editing ^old^new like : ^old^newest
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13:24<c4_>where is peterS?
13:25<stew>i'd probably do somehting about it if i knew what the actual violations were or that they actually exist. i suspect it is "we never actually asked that guy if he's ok with gpl, though he would be if we asked"
13:25<stew>c4_: usually kansas
13:26<themill>stew: been a long time between uploads of ivman... you've not even changed your maintainer address!
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13:27<c4_>stew: what´s your file system type for OS?
13:28<c4_>peterS is a cowboy
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13:28<stew>system type for what?
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13:29<adama>!seen peterS
13:29<dpkg>peters <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23d 10h 3m 6s ago, saying: 'Guerin: wow, congratulations!'.
13:29<c4_>stew: for installing Debian, what is best for system files?
13:30<Gun_Smoke>sending a job to a background process with & lets it terminate when I close Terminal. Is there a way for me to send a job to the bg and close the Terminal as well?
13:30<ranix>Gun_Smoke: screen will allow that
13:30<ranix>I think ctrl+z also maybe?
13:30<fxiny>yes . disown
13:30<adama>Gun_Smoke: screen or nohup
13:30<Gun_Smoke>ranix, ahhh.. yes, I knew I was forgetting something simple.
13:30<ranix>screen is super!
13:30<stew>c4_: best what?
13:30<fxiny>Gun_Smoke: job & then disown then exit
13:30<adama>screen is usually best, then you can go back to it later
13:31<ranix>ah gj fxiny
13:31<c4_>adama: do you remember the name of that 2008 movie of the gay cowboys? something like *hills
13:31<ranix>that is more correct than screen sometimes
13:31<ranix>c4_: brokeback mountain
13:31<adama>c4_: broke back mountain
13:31<Gun_Smoke>adama, yes, this is just a rdiff-backup run to a external I don't want to look at for the next few hours
13:31<stew>themill: yeah, i think i forgot with the last upload i did. i wasn't doing a very good job with that package
13:31<fxiny>so isnatall dtach
13:31<adama>Gun_Smoke: run it from cron
13:31<fxiny>Gun_Smoke: ^^^
13:32<Gun_Smoke>adama, laptop here and I am not around the external enough to merit adding it.
13:32<c4_>stew: ext3/4, reiserfs3/4? (fat?)
13:33<Gun_Smoke>although something watching for the drive being plugged in and running would be nice.
13:33<adama>ok, well try detach. I don't think Ctrl-z will work, as the task is stopped
13:33<Gun_Smoke>reading it now
13:34<stew>c4_: when in doubt, ext3
13:34<fxiny>i run firefrog3 in xterm & disown exit or i do screen , dor annoing jobs i do dtach
13:35<stew>c4_: ext4 is too new to be trusted. reiser is too historically buggy to be trusted
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13:35<c4_>damn! i was in reiser last time!
13:36<c4_>ok, it will be ext3
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13:36<metalqga>c4_ you can make a few test partitions to try out the different partitions (if you are in the mood of experimenting)
13:36<dpkg>Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see
13:36<metalqga>*fss not partitions
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13:37<c4_>ok ok... i prefer to wait and not to loose data
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13:38*ranix imagines c4_ loosing his data upon unsuspecting peasants.
13:38<ranix>he would unclip its leach and it pounces ravenously
13:38<c4_>" <peterS> fast but dangerous" XD
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13:39<fxiny>ravenbird: that's you !
13:39<ravenbird>fxiny: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
13:39<c4_>i will not trust peterS any more...
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13:39<ranix>what is the average airspeed velocity of a fully laden ravenbird
13:39<fxiny>you joking
13:40<fxiny>c4_: get a grip :P
13:40<debianNooB21>hey all, boy its a good day so far. anyways, any of you using your blackberries with debian?
13:41<metalqga>I need an audio equalizer(want to lower the high frequencies)
13:41<debianNooB21>fxiny: 210 mph
13:41<fxiny>ranix: the ravenshankar subspecies or the average ravenbird ?
13:41<c4_>debianNooB21: that´s good for windsurfing
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13:41<ranix>fxiny: I don't know, which one enjoys blackberries
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13:42<debianNooB21>any of you use blackberries? I got the storm.
13:42<debianNooB21>I am still on the fence with this thing.
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13:43<debianNooB21>c4_: i was just playing.
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13:44<steffan>debianNooB21: what's the issue?
13:44<fxiny>ranix: blackbirds eats holly(wood)-berries-seeds (?) . no blackberries in wintertime . i feed blackbirds and nutcrackers daily , no ravens allowed on my ivory tower ;)
13:45<debianNooB21>steffan: no issue so far, just want to see if people are using crackberrys with linux.
13:45<dkr>debianNooB21: I e-mail files to my bb from debian sometimes, don't see any point in another type of interaction. :)
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13:45<steffan>debianNooB21: no doubt people are.
13:45<dkr>I had to use a windows box we have for testing at work to upgrade its firmware, though
13:46<debianNooB21>steffan: thanks that is want i wanted to know.
13:46<steffan>you're welcome.
13:46<ranix>fxiny: I love the sparrows and starlings. Rescued a sparrow too, his name is Kook
13:46<dpkg>i heard bitlbee is an IRC to other chat networks gateway, connect to IRC, ICQ, MSN, Jabber, AIM, <Skype> (via plugin), etc... with your favorite IRC client!, or /connect ; type `help', or, #bitlbee @
13:47<ranix>fxiny: he will be waiting for me when I go home and we will hang out.
13:47<fxiny>ranix: plenty of sparrows here
13:47<debianNooB21>got another ?, what are some get linux certifations?
13:48<steffan>i don't understand you're question, debianNooB21
13:48<fxiny>ranix: i rescued two "tortorinas" last year . they fell ot the nest , i try hard but they died . i have two nests on my desks :)
13:48<debianNooB21>sorry, i meantr what are from good linux cert. to get.
13:48<steffan>what are from good linux cert.?
13:49*steffan shrugs
13:49<debianNooB21>what are some good linux certs.?
13:49<steffan>for what?
13:49<debianNooB21>sorry, I am speaking dumbshit today,
13:49<debianNooB21>steffan: do you have any?
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13:50<debianNooB21>i dont know for what? just want to see what people wprk to get.
13:50<dkr>in general I think certs are pretty lame, but that may be bias due to having a comp sci degree. :)
13:50<fxiny>ranix: birds use to wait humans and follow , i know for sure awks and ravens do this
13:50<stew>/etc/ssl/certs/spi-ca.pem is a good cert
13:51<dkr>debianNooB21: or a redhat cert are probably the best linux ones
13:51<debianNooB21>dkr: i think most comp sci people are dum,shits.
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13:51<debianNooB21>but that is a bias due to me not havin one, and wanting one
13:52<dpkg>one warez list being sent to salvatore
13:52<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:52<fxiny>again ?
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13:52<stew>salvatore: what are you hoping "!list" would do?
13:52<fxiny>salvatore: listen , i'm curious : why are you asking for list ?
13:52<dkr>it's an old irc warez thing, hence the dpkg joke
13:52<stew>dkr: why is it only italians that do this?
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13:53<ranix>fxiny: oh I'm sorry. That must have been awful
13:53<debianNooB21>how many of you try for lpi certs?
13:53<dkr>italians lag behind the rest of the world by about a decade
13:53<ranix>fxiny: when we rescued kook we had to stay with him for three months and feed him every 30 minutes
13:53<debianNooB21>or is dkr right in saying they are lame?
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13:53<doug__>i'm trying to configure a remote terminal that I can login to and manage routers, switches, etc.. the terminal i'm using is a soekris4526, it has an AMD 486 proc, I need to install some type of web browswer, any ideas?
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13:54<dkr>doug__: lynx?
13:55<doug__>did i mention the system has about 9mb free space?
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13:57<dkr>doug__: run an sshtunnel on the remote terminal and just tunnel web traffic through it from your normal web browser to the routers/switches
13:57<fxiny>ranix: really awful indeed . first tortorina found in the afternoon but died in the evening . the sister/brother lived longer : one day and half . she was looking at my all day , she looked pretty nice but then .... a sad story
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13:58<doug__>ok, i can open an ssh tunnel... but running traffic through it seems to be my weakness...
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14:02<metalqga>trying out caps
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14:05<AzaTht>I was thinkning replacing an old sarge system with lenny (server), but I'm unsure how to handle udev; The reason is that the kernel isn't on disk, but it flash, so it's a PITA to upgrade it, and it's version 2.6.16 + 1M patches; do you think it's possible/good idea to grab a snapshot of udev 0.114-2 and use it under lenny, or will it bork a lot?
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14:10<metalqga>where can I find information about The CAPS Audio Plugin Suite usage? no man page...
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14:15<metalqga>ok, problem solved, thanks google
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14:47<unkazs>Hola a todos
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15:10<bahuvrihi>Hi! I wonder if anyone might help to fix a fglrx problem. X cannot restart after logout and gives a EE of vm86 send signal 11.
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15:24<Jpdota>has anyone else noticed a strange bug in iceweasel 3.0.6 where when you initially open iceweasel, it covers the entire screen (including the panels)?
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15:26<christoph>Jpdota, not for me which desktop do you have?
15:27<Jpdota>christoph: you mean what DE? i have gnome with compiz as the WM, i'm running lenny
15:28<christoph>Jpdota, ok mine is fluxbox
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15:29<Jpdota>christoph: hmm perhaps it's a problem with compiz and iceweasel then?
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15:30<christoph>Jpdota, may bee no idea really
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15:31<Stuckey>Could anyone here help me set up fetchmail to get mail off a server using imap?
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15:34<amphi>Stuckey: 'poll some.server with proto imap' in /etc/fetchmailrc or ~/.fetchmailrc
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15:35<amphi>Stuckey: 'user mail_user password whatever is $USER here [nokeep]'
15:35<amphi>Stuckey: 'nokeep' deletes the mail from the remoote
15:36<Jpdota>is there a way to search the BTS by package version? if that bug isn't filed i'll file it after i get an MTA set up :P
15:36<dondelelcaro>Jpdota: yes, but that's almost not what you want to do
15:36<Stuckey>amphi: Wait I'm a little confused... I put in "poll with proto imap" and then on another line what?
15:37<Jpdota>dondelelcaro: what is a good way to search for a bug then (i talked about it above)
15:37<dondelelcaro>Jpdota: look at and/or your WM's bug page
15:37<dondelelcaro>Jpdota: you can also use and search for 'iceweasel AND fullscreen'
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15:38<amphi>Stuckey: the mail user name and password for the remote server, and which local user it should be delivered to
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15:38<Jpdota>dondelelcaro: yeah, i did look through there, but with nearly 350 outstanding bugs, that's quite a few to look through :P
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15:38<Jpdota>dondelelcaro: thanks though
15:39<dondelelcaro>Jpdota: 300 some odd isn't all that many, but you can easily look at the other page that I suggested
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15:40<Jpdota>dondelelcaro: yeah, but i'd hate to report a duplicate if it's already been reported, thus creating more work for someone :X. i'll take a look through when i get time i guess
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15:43<Stuckey>amphi: I can just write it like that? (e.g., "mailusername password localuser")?
15:44<sassi>hmm cant find how i can have different wallpapers to different workspaces.
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15:44<amphi>Stuckey: man fetchmail explains this
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15:48<Stuckey>amphi: I've found a lot of documentation on using fetchmail and mutt, but I haven't found any I feel I could digest within eight hours. Do you know of any condensed documentation that has to do with basic set up and use?
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15:49<amphi>Stuckey: probably has some info
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15:49<smash>any idea of some programme that will analyze the spectrum of voices/sounds and could match/compare these?
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15:51<dkr>smash: audacity has rudimentary sound analysis features. not really voice specific, though
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15:52<smash>well I dont need visualization tho
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15:52<dkr>maybe check out sphinx, also. it's voice recognition, but tha tmight be what is needed for "match"ing vioces
15:52<smash>what I need is especially the comparison part
15:52<smash>hm I looked into sphinx months ago
15:52<smash>wasnt what I needed :\
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15:53<ranix>some components of sphinx might be similar to what you're after
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15:53<smash>I even asked on the alsa-user ml .. no response tho (although that has been more than 2 years prolly)
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16:00<Azazzs>if i wanna do debian on a laptop there any preferred model
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16:01<smash>Azazzs: best buy notebooks with intel hardware
16:01<smash>I mean not just an intel cpu
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16:01<smash>but also intel mainboard with intel chipsets (wifi, network, onboard vga)
16:01<smash>they're quite good supported
16:02<smash>as far as wifi is concerned, I'd personally only go for intel or atheros
16:02<smash>not some broadcom crap
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16:07<Azazzs>kk trying a hp right now.....but am expection it to fail :P
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16:10<ranix>Azazzs: it's unlikely you will be entirely unable to install Debian on ANYTHING
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16:10<ranix>Azazzs: I have installed Debian on a coffee machine, a toaster, a 133mhz TI laptop from 1997 with 14 megabytes of ram, and a PDA
16:11*christoph wants to see the toaster
16:11<Azazzs>hehe k :), well im just a little newb :P
16:11<ranix>(I didn't actually install it on a toaster, just the TS Logic arm board that the guys use to control the toaster in their break room)
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16:12<Azazzs>cool :)
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16:36<paul0>i can search sources repositories using apt?
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16:36<paul0>hm, apt-cache showsrc
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16:40<steffan>who wanted to know how to get source packages using apt?
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16:41<steffan>the deb-src entry in your /etc/apt/sources.list should be pointed at unstable. it should also be enabled (uncommented).
16:41<steffan>then use, 'apt-get source packagename'.
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16:42<paul0>steffan, i want to compile packages from sid/experimental in my computer (which uses lenny)
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16:44<steffan>paul0: we don't support experimental.
16:44<steffan>!tell paul0 about experimental
16:44<jandd>hi, since a few days I have problems with mutt (lenny) connecting to my imap server that uses a signed certificate, is anyone else experiencing such problem?
16:45<steffan>jandd: no.
16:45<stew>is that the new gnutls breakage that people have been talking about?
16:45<steffan>jandd: can you explain the problem?
16:45<stew>yeah, probably
16:45<jandd>stew: maybe
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16:45<stew>someone was talking about a regression from the latest security fix
16:46<jandd>steffan: it just doesn't accept my server's certificate (that worked fine a few days before)
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16:46<jandd>it shows the hash and that it's signed by CAcert's level 3 root certificate but doesn't accept it
16:46<jandd>gnutls-cli can connect to the server and accepts the certificate
16:47<stew>jandd: see if 514578 is related
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16:50<jandd>stew: looks similar ... I'll try the libgnutls downgrade to 2.4.2-4
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16:51<normanu>hey guys what is a good up to date package in Debian to use for loadbalancing ?
16:52<jandd>2.4.2-6 (from sid) doesn't have the problem ... thanks for the hint
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16:53<kj4>hello all
16:53<stew>jandd: you might look into how to get it working with the newer gnutls, aiui, upstream considers this a feature not a bug
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16:54<kj4>just did a clean install from the lenny/xfce disk. nice work! i've installed debian before (etch)
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16:55<jandd>stew: it works with the version in unstable ... only the testing version seems to be broken. My certificate is directly signed by the trusted CA root using SHA1 (not MD5), maybe my problem was similar but not exactly the same
16:56<hyperbuddha>is there a vnc server built in
16:56<stew>testing and unstable should have the same version?
16:56<stew>judd: versions libgnutls26
16:56<judd>stew: libgnutls26 -- lenny: 2.4.2-5 sid: 2.4.2-6 experimental: 2.6.4-1
16:56<hyperbuddha>or do i need to install one
16:56<kj4>how do I add automount capability to the xfce desktop?
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16:57<dr|z3d>Install xfce4-goodies perhaps kj4
16:58<hyperbuddha>sorry to repeat but is there a vnc server built in
16:58<jandd>stew: upgrading from 2.4.2-5 to 2.4.2-6 fixed my problem ... lenny is deeply frozen and I don't know if this would be a good enough reason for unblocking gnutls26
16:59<kj4>dr|z3d, there isn't such a package, do I need to add/enable repositories?
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17:00<stew>jandd: looks like it got unblocked
17:00<jandd>great :-)
17:00<stew>jandd: oh, no that was to get -5 in
17:00<dpkg>from memory, vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at, or, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>.
17:00<dr|z3d>kj4: Quite possibly. Maybe might help.
17:01<hyperbuddha>!vnc setup
17:01<dpkg>methinks vnc setup is Install x11vnc on the remote host and a vnc viewer on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 <remotehost>; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! vnc securely tunneled over ssh!
17:01<jandd>stew: :-( ...
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17:02<FreeSWnoob>hey guys i need help with an ssh problem
17:02<stew>jandd: aha
17:02<stew>jandd: and
17:02<FreeSWnoob>i want to change the port ssh connects on to 2222, (really antything other than default 22)
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17:03<jandd>stew: maybe I should improve my mailing archive searching skills :-)
17:03<hyperbuddha>How do i connect to wifi
17:03<kj4>command to display running daemons?
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17:04<jandd>FreeSWnoob: man sshd_config
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17:05<stew>jandd: :) i went there because it was the maitnainer address.
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17:07<brandong1394>hey hey
17:07<domidebian>FreeSWnoob: man sshd ? -> vi /etc/ssh/sshd_/sshd_config
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17:09<valdyn>FreeSWnoob: so edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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17:26<Ethaniel>I can't uninstall a package, I've tried apt-get remove with the --purge switch, but it's not working. Any ideas?
17:27<dr|z3d>Ethaniel: What's the error?
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17:28<Ethaniel>"The package wine needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it"
17:28<stew>Ethaniel: aptitude reinstall wine
17:28<stew>Ethaniel: or apt-get install --reinstall wine
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17:29<dr|z3d>You might want to add wine's repository.
17:29<stew>whichever repository it was previously installed from
17:30<Ethaniel>"Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal."
17:30<Ethaniel>That's what it says.
17:30<stew>Ethaniel: did you try reinstalling it?
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17:31<Ethaniel>Yes, "aptitude reinstall wine" gives me that error.
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17:31<kj4>could someone recommend a good forum, other than the official, or is that the best?
17:31<Ethaniel>Is there any way to manually delete the package?
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17:32<Ethaniel>In a way that "apt-get check" shows no errors related to wine.
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17:33<weasel>dpkg -i /path/to/wine...deb
17:33*dpkg installs /path/to/wine...deb into weasel's head with a bone saw and a few screws
17:33<weasel>dpkg: shut up
17:33<dpkg>No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
17:33<weasel>wanna bet?
17:33<weasel>dondelelcaro: your bot could really show more respect towards opers
17:33*dr|z3d chuckles.
17:33<dpkg>R E S P E C T, or if you want to be respected, please show respect.
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17:35<kj4>is this the same channel as on freenode #debian?
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17:36<Ethaniel>What's a "missing arch"?
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17:41<Ethaniel>Okay, now it says this:
17:41<Ethaniel>"Unpacking replacement wine ...
17:41<Ethaniel>dpkg-deb (subprocess): data: failed to exec lzma -dc: No such file or directory
17:41<Ethaniel>dpkg-deb: subprocess <decompress> returned error exit status 2
17:41<Ethaniel>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault."
17:41<helmut>Hi. I've got some (aparently broken) pdf file. It is displayed correctly on lenny/i386 xpdf but does not show any text (only structure) in sid/amd64. Any idea why or how I can display it?
17:41<Ethaniel>Basic chinese to me, I'm out of ideas.
17:41<dondelelcaro>weasel: heh
17:42<dondelelcaro>weasel: it's an equal-opportunity offender
17:42<helmut>xpdf has error messages:
17:42<kj4>goodnight all- very happy with the install process using the lenny/xfce disk!
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17:46<Ethaniel>No dice, I can't remove it, upgrade it or reinstall it. I nedd a way to manually purge wine.
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17:49<dondelelcaro>Ethaniel: no, you need to install lzma
17:49<helmut>as producer for my broken pdf " 2.3" is listed. why should that be broken?
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17:52<Ethaniel>I can't install lzma, the wine package errors are getting in the way....
17:52<helmut>did apt download lzma?
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17:54<Ethaniel>"aptitude download lzma" worked. What do I do now? How do I install lzma?
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17:58<helmut>Ethaniel: look in /var/cache/apt/archives there will be a file lzma_*.deb
17:58<helmut>Ethaniel: you can install that by prepending dpkg -i to the filename
17:58<Ethaniel>Let me see...
17:58<helmut>my pdf problem is solved: it actually was a decoding error, so I was talking about differnt files of which the badly decoded was aparently broken.
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18:03<Ethaniel>Excellent! That worked perfectly. Thank you all! :D
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18:07<Ethaniel>evolut_: Yo hablo español, pero soy bastante novato...
18:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:07<EvoLuT>dpkg, asias xD
18:07<dpkg>EvoLuT: I give up, what is it?
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18:08<EvoLuT>That is that?
18:11<Ethaniel>Any lightweight PDF reader you can recommend?
18:11<Ethaniel>To use in Debian, of course.
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18:15<EvoLuT>Ethaniel, You have proved(tried) the pdfedit ?
18:15<helmut>Ethaniel: xpdf
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18:15<mike>Hello all, I'm using Debian Etch and OpenVPN. What is the right way for me to edit /etc/resolv.conf so network-manager doesn't periodically overwrite it?
18:16<dmoerner>mike, are you using dhcp?
18:16<Ethaniel>Hmmm, both look nice...
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18:16<dmoerner>mike, add "prepend domain-name-servers server;" to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
18:17<dmoerner>where server is the server you want
18:17<dmoerner>you can configure other parts of resolv.conf in there too; the file is well-commented
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18:19<Ethaniel>I'm having a few issues with my mouse. Changing the mouse protocol would help?
18:21<mike>dmoerner, I'm having trouble finding a setting that equates to 'search' in dhclient.conf. Is it "supersede domain-name ..." ?
18:22<dmoerner>mike, i don't know. you could try supersede
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18:22<angasule_>unbelievable, stupid web developers, I still encounter trouble when writing my last name in forms
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18:23<frindly>anybody here for chatting?
18:23<mike>ok, thanks dmoerner.
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18:56<lskjflskjf>anyone use tsocks?
18:57<humbolto>I am trying to dpkg-buildpackage ffmpeg with x264. Enabled the confflags in debian/confflags, or actually they were already. all necessary -dev packages are installed but still it builds without x264 support
18:57<humbolto>what do I need to do?
18:58<humbolto>weak-build-deps += libx264-dev confflags += --enable-gpl --enable-libx264
18:58<llimeht>judd versions ffmpeg
18:58<judd>llimeht: ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8 lenny: 0.svn20080206-16 sid: 0.svn20080206-17 experimental: 3:0.svn20090204-2 etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3 sid-multimedia: 3:20090128-0.0
18:58<llimeht>humbolto: do the dmm packages not include that already?
18:58<lskjflskjf>judd versions mplayer
18:58<judd>lskjflskjf: mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch5 etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch5 lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3 sid: 1.0~rc2-20 etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.2
18:59<humbolto>llimeht: not using these
18:59<humbolto>llimeht: also need amr support and such
18:59<humbolto>really want to know how to get this to complile correctly the debian way
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19:00<humbolto>when I run ./configure --enable-gpl --enable-libx264 everything seems alright, but these options don't seem to get set from the debian/rules file
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19:00<humbolto>think I got it
19:01<humbolto>let me check
19:02<humbolto>as it says ifneq (,$(findstring externalcodecs,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) in debian/confflags, I guess I have to do a DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="risky externalcodecs" sudo dpkg-buildpackage
19:02<humbolto>but it does not seem to work either
19:04<humbolto>still not working
19:04<humbolto>don't get it
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19:07<humbolto>ok stupid me, sudo needs to go before the options
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19:07<humbolto>or actually that should not be needed at all
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19:15<eljefe_overhere>So, what do I do if I plug in my USB drive and it doesn't come up? and dmesg sees it but my KDE desktop doesn't react?
19:16<Dargor>you mount it manually
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19:16<eljefe_overhere>but dmesg doesn't tell me the device
19:16<llimeht>!kde automount
19:16<dpkg>To automatically mount optical disks and USB keys under KDE, install kdebase-kio-plugins and add the needed users to the plugdev group. You will have to log out and back in before it works.
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19:17<eljefe_overhere>no, its worked recently, like two days ago
19:17<Dargor>have you been compiling custom kernels
19:17<eljefe_overhere>lol no
19:17<llimeht>eljefe_overhere: oh. What version of kde?
19:17<eljefe_overhere>kde 4.2
19:18<llimeht>eljefe_overhere: nfc then. kde4.2 isn't in debian yet.
19:18<eljefe_overhere>experimental, but ok thanks anyways.
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19:18<eljefe_overhere>it happened in the past also on 3.5.9 as well.
19:18<llimeht>eljefe_overhere: try #debian-kde as they will know more about the exptl packages
19:19<eljefe_overhere>ok lets rephrase; how to mount a drive if dmesg doesn't tell me what it is?
19:19<llimeht>eljefe_overhere: fdisk -l will tell you the device name
19:19<llimeht>:( I've not seen that problem for a good many years
19:19<eljefe_overhere>that shows my three hard drives, but not this device.
19:20<Dargor>did you plug it into the network port by mistake.
19:21<Dargor>they fit
19:21<eljefe_overhere>aaahhh... no, and I've tried a number of USB ports also
19:21<llimeht>Dargor: dmesg is unlikely to mention the event though
19:21<eljefe_overhere>often it will, "new usb device found at /deb/sdX' or something
19:22<llimeht>eljefe_overhere: was a new device node created?
19:22<eljefe_overhere>how to know that?
19:22<llimeht>eljefe_overhere: ls /dev/sd*
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19:23<llimeht>so what did you see in dmesg?
19:24<Dargor>did you put the usb key through the washing machine.
19:24<eljefe_overhere>usb 3-1.2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice \\ scsi23 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices \\ usb-storage: device found at 45 \\ usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning \\ usb 3-1.2: New USB device found, idVendor=0781, idProduct=7434 \\ usb 3-1.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 \\ then some info about Sansa Clip and serial number
19:24<llimeht>Dargor: they normally survive that
19:25<eljefe_overhere>i've tried restarting /etc/init.d/hal but no go
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19:26<eljefe_overhere>i know that a reboot fixes this :( but I also know that I have like 1 or 2 reboots left before a massive fsck that I've been avoiding
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19:28<lskjflskjf>i'm looking for a way to sort through several text-files and change each instance of "hot" to "cold". i'd like to do this all at once instead of manually searching/replacing hot/cold in each file. anyone know a way to accomplish this?
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19:28<llimeht>lskjflskjf: sed -i s/hot/cold/ *.txt
19:28<Dargor>yea, write a script to do it.
19:28<eljefe_overhere>perl -p -i -e 's/hot/cold/g' /path/to/file/name*
19:29<lskjflskjf>so that's why you guys keep typing s/<blah>/<blah>
19:29<lskjflskjf>will that line of perl work?
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19:30<llimeht>yeah, both perl and sed can do this trivially.
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19:30<lskjflskjf>dunno how ppl manage on windows any more
19:30<llimeht>lskjflskjf: cygwin
19:30<lskjflskjf>yeah. i just heard of mingw today.
19:31<lskjflskjf>i think i actually said "zomg!"
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19:34<eljefe_overhere>me either, really. but these mounting of usb failures are driving me batty when they don't work.
19:34<eljefe_overhere>so, after some tune2fs runs, I'ma rebootin.
19:34<eljefe_overhere>windows style, with 5+ yrs of linux under my belt and its my job.
19:34<llimeht>eljefe_overhere: is it always the same usb stick that causes the problem?
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19:35<eljefe_overhere>this is a mp3 Samsa Clip. other times its a stick, or an external drive. seems to be after I run a dist-upgrade tho.
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19:35<eljefe_overhere>the update that I got this morning was like 10 packages, none related to HAL nor the kernel
19:36<llimeht>eljefe_overhere: ahh... KDE doesn't respond well to having hal restarted underneath it
19:36<eljefe_overhere>i noticed. but the issue was before that.
19:36<llimeht>or udev. Or any of its libraries for that matter
19:36<eljefe_overhere>back in a few.,
19:36<eljefe_overhere>its not KDE thats having thee issue tho.
19:36<llimeht>yes, that's true, it seems
19:36<eljefe_overhere>se ya
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19:37<schmidt>OLA A TODOS
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19:42<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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19:44<eljefe>mmm k lets see what happens now.
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19:49<efuentes>buenas solo tengo una pregunta
19:49<efuentes>esque a un amigo le preste mis discos de debian etch
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19:50<efuentes>para que instalara en su maquina
19:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:50<frindly>hi. spanish?
19:50<frindly>bad. english better... i dont understood spanish
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19:57<AzaTht>asked before but never got an answer, I'll try again
19:57<AzaTht>I was thinkning replacing an old sarge system with lenny (server), but I'm unsure how to handle udev; The reason is that the kernel isn't on disk, but it flash, so it's a PITA to upgrade it, and it's version 2.6.16 + 1M patches; do you think it's possible/good idea to grab a snapshot of udev 0.114-2 and use it under lenny, or will it bork a lot?
19:58<maxb>I'm no expert, but I'd be utterly shocked if that worked ;-)
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19:59<frindly>what a question...
19:59<frindly>i must read it again to understood
19:59<Dargor>why dont you just reinstall everything
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20:00<Dargor>are you trying to keep that kernel
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20:00<maxb>In the long run I think you'd be better upgrading the kernel
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20:30<AzaTht>I can't easly replace the kernel
20:31<AzaTht>it's for a customer device
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20:32<maxb>AzaTht: Well I guess the question then, is, how badly do you want something newer than sarge.
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20:41<AzaTht>maxb: I have lenny running on it now, so basically it works
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20:42<AzaTht>It's for an upgrade to an older device for loyal customers
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20:49<FreeSWnoob>any ideas where i can get some opinions on failover routers?
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21:17<InkBottle>Hi, how can I do to have math symbol to display correctly with konqueror?
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21:17<enouf>install fonts?
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21:19<enouf>¼ ¾ ½ 10²
21:20<InkBottle>it is this page:
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21:24<amphi>InkBottle: looks ok (I think ;) here in midori with deja vu sans
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21:27<InkBottle>amphi: I also use dejavu sans, I think I stil have a problem with this ≡ for instance
21:29<InkBottle>are you ok with this page: (see ∈)
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21:39<InkBottle>I go back to firefox, bye
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21:40<d3nd3>wirst du wirklich nich nach berlin kommen?
21:41<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
21:41<d3nd3>scusi falsches fenster
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21:52<secvuln>I remember debain
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21:53<secvuln>I use to hate it. :P
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22:36*billybigrigger is happy
22:37<billybigrigger>just got my new home server together and posted on first try muahaha
22:37<billybigrigger>gotta love that
22:37<jm>Can anyone help a moderate newb to troubleshoot a pivot_root: no such file.. issue?
22:37<billybigrigger>k, now my question, im installing lenny rc2 dvd right now, how much of a pain is it going to be on saturday when lenny goes stable?
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22:38<stew>billybigrigger: it will be no different. the rc2 installer is actually the one being released. there are only a couple of packags that will change before then
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22:39<billybigrigger>stew, so on saturday it will be as easy as an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade --yes???
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22:39<stew>billybigrigger: yes, and depending on which packages you ahve installed, they might do nothing
22:39<amphi>billybigrigger: make sure your sources.list contains 'lenny' rather than 'testing' if you want to stick with lenny
22:39<stew>he'd have to go out of his way to get it to say testing
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22:40<amphi>stew: ok; if I recall correctly when I installed many moons ago, it said testing - but I could be wrong
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22:40<stew>amphi: this was fixed with sarge
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22:41<amphi>stew: ah, thanks
22:41<stew>(i think sarge, it was definately fixed when etch was testing)
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22:43<billybigrigger>do i have the naming scheme down right here??? etch (stable) lenny (testing) and sid (unstable)??
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22:44<avu>billybigrigger, at least for the next few days, this remains right, yes :)
22:44<stew>billybigrigger: yes, and after this weekend it will be etch=oldstable lenny=stable squeeze=testing sid=unstable
22:44<billybigrigger>so how come sid doesnt become testing?
22:44<avu>sid is the unstable kid from next door
22:44<avu>who tortures toys
22:44<stew>sid is always unstable. named after the kid in toy story that breaks toys
22:45<avu>he obviously remains unstable :)
22:45<billybigrigger>oh ok heh
22:45<stew>instead a copy of lenny is made and named squeeze and squeeze starts getting packages from unstable
22:45<billybigrigger>so squeeze is sid, and the development starts on new sid packages?
22:46<stew>since "we should try to always have testing in a releasable state", we can't just make sid testing, becuase there is stuff in sid that should never be released
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22:46<stew>billybigrigger: no, so sqeeze and lenny start off identical. deveopment always starts in sid, and when packages have been in sid for some amount of time and meet certain criteria, they move from sid to testing
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22:47<billybigrigger>so is the testing release always usable?
22:47<billybigrigger>to a point?
22:47<stew>however, the 'move from sid to testing' has been embargoed for many months trying to prepare for the release. that will change after lenny is released
22:47<stew>billybigrigger: no, it can become quite broken, and when it does it can remain broken for a while, since it has to wait for new packages to go into sid first
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22:48<billybigrigger>how old is etch then?
22:48<stew>billybigrigger: right after a release testing usually becomes nasty as a flood of new packages migrate from sid for the first time in months
22:48<dpkg>hmm... etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r7>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen
22:48<billybigrigger>so about a year
22:48<avu>about 2 years
22:48<stew>closer to 2 than to 1
22:48<billybigrigger>my bad haha im still stuck in 08
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22:49<billybigrigger>is that a regular release schedule for debian?
22:49<billybigrigger>or is it done when its done?
22:49<stew>!release history
22:49<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. Squeeze comes after Lenny. See also <>.
22:49<avu>there is no regular release schedule :)
22:49<stew>billybigrigger: there is no schedule. we set goals, then try to release as soon as the goals are met and we get rid of the known bugs
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22:50<billybigrigger>i think last debian rls i used was woody, ive been back and forth between distros for awhile, im used to ubuntu's release every 6 months, which gets kinda old having to upgrade so often
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22:52<billybigrigger>every package goes through those goals before a release? wow
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23:07<Garda>it PMed me
23:07<WEW>Garda aga
23:08<Garda>that's bot language
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23:48<brezhnev>buenas noches gente
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