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00:04<Supaplex>my mixer levels are not the same when I resume from swap. That, and the audio state of mplayer seems to go into loud static. Is there somewhat to address that? My current workaround is to quit mplayer before suspend, and manually readjust levels etc. acer aspire one on lenny
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00:17<Efex> what's the easiest way to make a partition on a computer running vista?
00:17<Efex>to install debian on it?*
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00:21<superjet_busy>it's there some way to record with hd-intel(alc268)? compiled new alsa-driver with no luck
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00:33<TedyBear>Good morning
00:34<TedyBear>I need help setting the qt settings in gnome. The applications that use qt are zoomed out to a level that they're unusable
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00:35<TedyBear>When I ran fluxbox they we're ok.
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01:22<kj4>hello every buddy
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01:30<sarahlnx>morning, kj4
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01:35<captainron>join /tuupppity
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01:49<kj4>am I on? <taps the mic>
01:50<sarahlnx>I think you are
01:51<kj4>i'm a new debian user
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01:52<kj4>what makes you think that?
01:52<kj4>morning Paistis
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01:54<kj4>why is it so quiet in here, with 300 users?
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01:54<sarahlnx>Because it's coming upto 7am here? :D
01:55<sarahlnx>hey imoet, Asteroid345
01:55<Asteroid345>Does anyone have experience installing vmware player on Lenny?
01:55<imoet>hy juga
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01:59<phishbowler>how do i add a user who is not root on my machine?
02:00<phishbowler>i keep getting applications warning me i am running as root. :|
02:01<craigevil>2am here
02:01<jm_>man adduser - installer asked you for additional user too
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02:06<Asteroid345>I am trying to run a file but it won't run, what can I do?
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02:07<phishbowler>any specific flags for a non-root user for adduser command?
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02:07<Asteroid345>calling as root but nothing, sayis command not found
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02:08<jm_>Asteroid345: read some newbie docs and learn how . is not in your path by default and how to call scripts so they will run
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02:14<Asteroid345>jm_, thanks
02:14<Asteroid345>How do i downgrade gcc ?
02:14<jm_>why do you want to downgrade gcc?
02:15<Asteroid345>I'm installing vmware and it recommends I use same version of gcc as the kernel was compiled with\
02:15<Asteroid345>4.3.2 to 4.1.3
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02:15<paistis>sarahlnx and kj4 you might want to joins debian-offtopic
02:15<jm_>so install that gcc and tell vmware to use it, no need to downgrade it
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02:16<Asteroid345>jm_, I can have several instances of gcc?
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02:16<jm_>Asteroid345: yes
02:16<Asteroid345>jm_, how would I do that? aptitude?
02:16<Asteroid345>newbie here
02:16<jm_>Asteroid345: yeah, just install another gcc-foo package
02:17<jm_>well gcc-4.1 or whatever
02:20<craigevil>Asteroid345: google for the any.any-patch
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02:24<Asteroid345>craigevil, cant find the patch anywhere
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02:25<paistis>Asteroid345: what version of gcc you want?
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02:25<Asteroid345>I apparently have 4.3.2 and vmware asks for 4.1.3
02:26<paistis>try aptitude install gcc-4.1.3
02:26<Asteroid345>I added 4.1 to synaptics but when I run the vmware install script it still tries to sue 4.3
02:26<jm_>like I said, you need to tell it which gcc to use
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02:27<Asteroid345>jm, how d i tell it?
02:27<jm_>Asteroid345: I don't know off top of my head - their documenttion should tell you about it; typically it's done by setting CC variable
02:27<Asteroid345>where do you set that variable?
02:27<Asteroid345>or where are the docs?
02:27<paistis>set cc enviroment variable to right one
02:28<jm_>in your shell before running the script
02:28<Asteroid345>sorry, no idea how that's done
02:28<jm_>I hope you are joking with that second question
02:28<paistis>export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1.3
02:28<paistis>export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1.3 <command here>
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02:29<Asteroid345><command here> you mean the script I'm running right?
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02:29<paistis>i am not sure about /usr/bin/ path but you get the idea
02:29<paistis>Asteroid345: yeh
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02:31<jm_>the syntax is 'FOO=bar baz' or 'export FOO=bar; baz'
02:32<Asteroid345>export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ./ does not work
02:33<Asteroid345>looks like it's working lets see
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03:10<yjm>есть кто с xubuntu ?
03:10<jrabbit>I Don't even need to speak your language to know we can't help you
03:11<yjm>is anybody using xubuntu ?
03:11<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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03:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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03:33<david-e>hi, I got denyhosts installed on my etch nslu2; the list of IPs in hosts.deny is successfully updated but I'm still getting "Feb 13 09:27:56 localhost sshd[13729]: Invalid user nofiles from" from an IP already in host.deny
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03:36<pattricia>are someone there?
03:38<jm_>david-e: does sshd detect a change in hosts.deny?
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03:40<david-e>jm_: how can I know?
03:40<jm_>then it's perhaps your entry in hosts.deny that's not used by sshd?
03:40<jm_>david-e: well seems you got the answer ;)
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03:41<weasel>what is the entry?
03:41<jm_>what does the line in hosts.deny look like?
03:42<pattricia>i really need help!!
03:42<weasel>pattricia: ask a question or shut up. stop shouting for fuck's sake
03:42<pattricia>wow so nice people !!!!!!!!!!!!
03:42<weasel>pattricia: and *ONE* punctuation mark suffices.
03:42<pattricia>i love when the people hate me...................
03:43<pattricia>u make me feel important............
03:43<weasel>maybe you should learn how to behave then
03:43<pattricia>so yhanks....
03:43<pattricia>maybe u need a new life
03:43<weasel>not that this is on-topic here. so ask your question or let it be
03:43<pattricia>i can help u
03:43<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
03:43<dpkg>well, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade
03:44<pattricia>what happend with u?
03:44<jm_>david-e: that works just fine here
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03:45<weasel>david-e: what's the file called?
03:45<weasel>how does your hosts.allow look like?
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03:45<david-e>SSHD: ALL
03:46<weasel>and now think.
03:46<jm_>well heh
03:46<weasel>(and read man hosts_access(5))
03:46<david-e>heh, thanx
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04:05<rootmos>how to i tell aptitute to just get the package from a differnt source than the official debian archive? I have updated sources.list but when there is an update in lenny it also updates my package
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04:46<sarahlnx>hey lion
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05:30<redondos>I can't seem to find the videos of the FOSDEM talks last weekend. are they available?
05:33<redondos>I suppose they will eventually appear on the wiki, right? (
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05:43<elimin8>Hello, im rather new to linux currently using ubuntu, could anyone tell me a way to reduce the grapical usage of the desktop so more can be used for applications?
05:44<Dargor>dont used gnome
05:44<SlimeyPete>"graphical usage"?
05:44<SlimeyPete>what do you mean by that?
05:44<elimin8>Yes, i find when i launch applications with high graplical usage (games for example or gui tools) that my system lags
05:44<Dargor>close your eyes.
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05:45<elimin8>i have 2gb of ram 5gb swap + 4gb of usb swap
05:45<SlimeyPete>elimin8: you need to check what display driver you're using
05:45<craigevil>turn off the 5 million processes ubuntu uses by default
05:45<elimin8>And thats the reason im here :)
05:45<craigevil>and mkae sure your using the correct driver for your video card
05:45<elimin8>what processes would be safe to turn off? or is there somewhere i could read up on that?
05:46<elimin8>im using the restircted driver package, but im seriously considering just installing debian
05:46<streuner_>!closing ports
05:46<dpkg><greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up.
05:46<craigevil>search the ubuntu docs for tweaking your system or google
05:46<elimin8>i changed the interface to xfce already and its helped some
05:47<elimin8>would debian be over my head?
05:47<koollman>elimin8: that's too much of swap. really
05:48<craigevil>probably not, also you do not need that much swap
05:48<elimin8>by default the system installed that swap space
05:48<elimin8>and i used the usb thinking it would be faster than accessing the hd
05:48<koollman>a default of 9gb of swap ? ;)
05:48<koollman>even 5 is really high
05:48<elimin8>i added 4gb usb swap
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05:49<elimin8>ok with 2gb of ram whats the optimal swap ?
05:49<koollman>4 or less
05:49<craigevil>unless its a laptop you probably dont need more than 1gb or 2 of swap
05:49<elimin8>so double the ram proximal?
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05:50<koollman>elimin8: 4 is the higher limit. I would go with 3, perhaps less.
05:50<elimin8>hmm is there a way to post the system information so you can see it?
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05:50<philsf>if it's a laptop, you need at least a little bit more than the physical ammount, if you intend to suspend
05:51<elimin8>its a desktop amd 64x2
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05:51<philsf>you still might want to hibernate it
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05:51<jm_>it's useful to have more swap even on a laptop if you use suspend to disk
05:51<jm_>same applies to desktop
05:52<elimin8>suspend ?
05:52<elimin8>wont that simply log me off?
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05:52<gil> hello
05:52<philsf>elimin8: 1.5x ram or 2xram is usually fine. HD are cheap these days
05:52<philsf>!suspend | elimin8
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05:53<philsf>elimin8: please speak in the channel
05:54<elimin8>oh sorry
05:54<elimin8>i was asking how to suspend the system
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05:54<dpkg>Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (a.k.a. hibernate) or suspend to ram. The in-kernel suspend now works pretty well in etch (and even better in lenny) . There are also kernel patches that provide more features such as <tuxonice>. Installing the uswsusp and hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or kpowersave should be enough. Also ask me about <suspend troubleshooting>.
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05:55<elimin8>installing the uswsusp now thank you
05:56<elimin8>thanks ill read up on that
05:57<elimin8>I guess my other question was, ubuntu is based on debian, doesnt adding applications layers over the origonal core of a linux system just slow it more?
05:58<philsf>elimin8: btw, the usb is never faster than the hd
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05:59<elimin8>oh great
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05:59<jm_>well ask ubuntu people
05:59<philsf>on the contrary
06:00<elimin8>Theres no question to me about the fact that linux is a new home to me, its just which distro to use
06:00<philsf>elimin8: and if you use gnome, you shouldn't need to use uswsusp
06:00<philsf>elimin8: you said you use ubuntu, it comes ready for suspend, afaik
06:01<philsf>and hibernate
06:01<elimin8>gnome is the default desktop but i changed the desktop to xfce
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06:01<philsf>and you're in the wrong channel
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06:01<philsf>wrong network, ftm
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06:06<sushanthreddy>what is debian
06:07<dpkg>debian is, like, See
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06:15<ludovic>hi, is there a channel for newbs, where I can ask stupid questions?
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06:15<kabotage>there are no stupid questions, but there are stupid peoples :D
06:16<jm_>!tell ludovic -about ask
06:17<ludovic>Im getting a headache with iceweasel, when I add java in the plugins they appear to be corrupted
06:17<jm_>how do you do that?
06:17<ludovic>I did it via the terminal
06:17<jm_>how exactly?
06:17<ludovic>created a symlink
06:18<ludovic>at least i think its called that in english =/
06:18<jm_>which version of debian?
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06:18<ludovic>4.0 something 7 i guess
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06:18<jm_>cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -r
06:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 364] by debhelper
06:20<ludovic>4.0 2.6.18-6-686
06:20<jm_>install sun-java5-plugin package
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06:22<ludovic>where do I get that package ? =/
06:22<dpkg>from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
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06:23<ludovic>hmmm I guess i need to switch log on now... gets info heavy :D
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06:23<jm_>you need to edit sources.list and add non-free contrib
06:24<ludovic>yeah, tried that... says acces not allowed or was not permitted
06:24<jm_>do it as root
06:25<ludovic>I did ... i think
06:25<ludovic>ok, ill try again
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06:27<ludovic>please tell me the command line... last time I copy/pated it from some site, forgot it now
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06:28<ludovic>I mean. how to edit the sources.list
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06:29<jm_>it's a text file, use your favourite editor
06:30<ludovic>umm, im lost =) what is a textfile?
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06:31<ludovic>hehe sounded wrong
06:31<jm_>you don't know what edit a text file means? maybe try the french channel?
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06:33<ludovic>I know what the words mean (uh im not french) its just that im not qui in sync with the wording... all i know is that i previously used the terminal...
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06:33<jm_>sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list
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06:36<ludovic>typed that into root terminal. outcome: acces denied
06:36<jm_>you're not root then
06:36<jm_>run id
06:37<ludovic>uid=0(root) gid=0(root) grupper=0(root)
06:38<jm_>then that should work
06:38<jm_>are you perhaps translatin error messages?
06:39<ludovic>acces denied again
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06:41<ludovic>hard to tell. so far ive been typing just what you said, AND what i had already tried... :D
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06:42<jm_>what does this return: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
06:43<_Awe__>00:53 <@Empty0> devias era ir embora.
06:43<_Awe__>00:53 < _Awe_> Empty0: .|.
06:43<_Awe__>00:53 <@Empty0> lol
06:43<_Awe__>00:54 <@|marciana|> nao,nao é nao sejas hipocrita ,pelo menos isso.
06:43<_Awe__>00:54 -!- mode/#poesia [+b *!*@localhost] by Empty0
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06:43<jm_>btw, you need to run sensible-editor in the terminal where you are root
06:43<ludovic>how do i do that
06:43<jm_>do what?
06:43<ludovic>run sensible-editor
06:43<ludovic> the terminal
06:44<jm_>open a terminal, in this terminal use "su -" to become root, run "sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list" in the same terminal
06:44<jm_>not something silly like open a terminal, run su, close it, open another one, run sensible-editor or whatever
06:45<ludovic>ok im on to it.. one mom
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06:46<jm_>bb in 15
06:46<ludovic>i get this ">". is that the correct outcome?
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06:58<inc0>hello, I have problem
06:58<inc0>do anyone had any issues with HP printers?
06:58<inc0>I'm on amd64 lenny, and I cant configure printer well:/
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06:59<inc0>It shows that its not online or in state of error, and I cant find where this error could be
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07:02<kenesh>hey people check this out
07:03<kenesh>what to you think ?it's a hoax?
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07:04<munga_>hello . I need a bit of help decoding the release file. If you wget the lenny release file from s.d.n and
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07:05<munga_>the first one has date 13/12/2008
07:05<jm_>inc0: what kind of printer?
07:05<munga_>the first one has date 11/12/2008
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07:05<munga_>... why there was no release for the 12/12 ?
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07:07<inc0>laserjet 1005p
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07:07<inc0>everything but printer say its printing
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07:14<ludovic>jm_ i think im at the right place now. do I add non-free on the update lines or?
07:14<jm_>ludovic: add them to all "deb ftp" or "deb http" lines
07:14<jm_>add "non-free contrib" at the end, without ""
07:14<ludovic>at the very end?
07:14<ludovic>ok :D
07:16<ludovic>k, the src one are left out or..?
07:17<ludovic>just to be absolutely in the clear :P
07:17<jm_>well you don't need them for this
07:17<jm_>you can add them there too if you wish
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07:19<ludovic>well. Ill have to see if this works, and maybe a little break too... thanks mate, been most helpful
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07:21<ludovic>jm_ how do i save and close the editor? =/
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07:21<jm_>ludovic: that would largely depend on the editor that you use
07:23<ludovic>ive have a pannel of sort at the bottom, ^O and ^X are just some of the options...
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07:24<ludovic>Gnu nano 2.0.2 seems to be the name of it...
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07:25<jm_>yeah ^x should save and quit, doesn't it?
07:26<ludovic>x quits
07:26<jm_>it should list the basic keys, quit and save being among them
07:26<ludovic>o saves
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07:26<ludovic>but how do I interact with them?
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07:28<jm_>ctrl-x ctrl-o etc.
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07:28<ludovic>âh!!! :D
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07:36<goodtime>anyone here uesing bitchx
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07:43<Guest1177>hi, i need help mounting a ntfs partition, i have this in /etc/fstab /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs ro,noauto,noexec,user 0 0 so i can mount and umount it as any user but i don't have permissions to see the files in /mnt/hda1
07:44<dpkg>[ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples: Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
07:44<jm_>specify fmask/dmask and users will be able to read it
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07:45<jm_>uhm no, it's uid/gid and umask
07:45<jm_>dmask is for fat
07:45<Guest1177>jm_, ok uid i know, and gid also, but umask ?
07:45<enouf_>Guest1177: 'help umask'
07:45<Guest1177>help umask
07:46<enouf_>in your shell
07:46<Guest1177>hihi ok
07:47<jm_>Guest1032: also /msg dpkg vfatrw
07:47<jm_>similar concept
07:48<Guest1177>jm_, thanks
07:48<enouf_>Guest1177: you could do like i do, chmod {-R} user:group /mnt/point
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07:50<Guest1177>enouf_, uhm it doesn't work , because i mount the filesystem as readonly, if if i do that before mounting it, it loses the permissions when mounting
07:50<Guest1177>enouf_, really
07:50<enouf_>Guest1177: ro? ugh .. you don't need anything then - ntfs and vfat have no concept of Unix permissions
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07:51<enouf_>Guest1177: man pmount - add your user to plugdev group
07:51<Guest1177>ok, first i try what jm_ said
07:54<Guest1177>jm_ , not working .. same thing, i can mount it but not see it, these are all the options i have in fstab ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask =444,user
07:55<jm_>Guest1177: you have no idea what umask=444 does, do you?
07:55<Guest1177>hahah :)
07:55<Guest1177>it says it's like chmod
07:55<jm_>it isn't really, it's the opposite
07:55<Guest1177>i mean it accepts MODE like chmod does
07:55<Guest1177>well, what do i put there ?
07:55<jm_>yes, but its *meaning* is different
07:55<jm_>I suggest you start with just uid=,gid= and omit umask
07:56<Guest1177>one sec
07:57<Guest1177>so what was umask for ?
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08:04<Guest1177>anybody familiar with madwifi ? i have ath5k driver working ok , but wifi0 is missing , so i can't create a new device in monitor mode using wlanconfig ..
08:05<jm_>isn't ath5k driver using wlanX devices?
08:06<Guest1177>jm_ yes ..
08:06<jm_>Guest1177: dud you try using that in place of wifi0?
08:06<Guest1177>one sec :)
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08:22<u_>jm_, got it, no need for all that wlanconfig for creating vap's with a different mode (managed, monitor) like in the stable version, there's no wifi0 because there's no need, you just change the mode with iwconfig, like iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor :)
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08:53<Vejeta>Hello, could anybody tell me documentationi about how to create your own kernel-patches?
08:55<Vejeta>petemc: I mean, the packaged kerne-patches the ones that go in /usr/src/kernel-patches
08:55<Vejeta>packaged for debian
08:55<petemc>oh, no idea
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09:09<InkBottle>Hi, had anyone tried midori with google-video?
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09:29<Stuckey>Could anyone clairify for me what could be meant by a "networked Postscript printer"?
09:30<koollman>Stuckey: a printer, connected to the network directly, and accepting postscript documents
09:31<Stuckey>koollman: Thanks
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09:33<Stuckey>koollman: Would you tell me what network protocol a printer should support
09:33<Stuckey>Or perhaps if there's a standard way of doing it in Debian
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09:34<ranix>Stuckey: wbat
09:34<petemc>jetdirect is common
09:35<ranix>Stuckey: IPX, obviously
09:35<petemc>ipx is netware stuff, no?
09:35<ranix>petemc: obviously printers should support RFC1149
09:36<ranix>petemc: and ipx
09:36<Stuckey>I'm looking at a printer that says it supports the following IPv4 protocols: ARP, RARP, BOOTP, APIPA, NetBIOS/WINS, LPR/LPD, Custom Raw Port/Port9100, DNS Resolver, mDNS, FTP Server, TELNET, SNMPv1, TFTP, Scanner Port, LLTD Responder, Web Services.
09:36<ranix>Stuckey: if it doesn't support RFC1149 it's useless
09:36<Stuckey>I'm assuming it accepts PostScript documents but it doesn't say anywhere...
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09:37<Stuckey>ranix: What's RFC1149 and why is it important?
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09:38<dpkg>it has been said that rfc1149 is Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL)
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09:39<themill>Stuckey: that only lists the network protocols, that's nothing to do with what you can send to it over the network. lpr/lpd means that CUPS will talk to it quite happily. Look elsewhere for specs on what sort of printer language it can speak.
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09:40<zumbi>do you know how can i disable beeps ?
09:40<Stuckey>themill: What does the network protocols have to do with?
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09:40<Stuckey>zumbi: What beeps?
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09:41<zumbi>when writing to the console, i press tab and it beeps
09:41<Stuckey>themill: Wait, nevermind
09:41<ranix>zumbi: bad
09:41*ranix smacks zumbi with a newspaper
09:41<Stuckey>themill: What's the difference betwen lpr/lpd and a "printer language"?
09:42<zumbi>ranix: google is also bad
09:42<themill>Stuckey: do you know the difference between http and html?
09:43<Stuckey>themill: http is a common language, used to transmit html files between computers... right?
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09:43<Stuckey>themill: the idea is that both comptuers understand http... therefore they're able to share files.
09:43<zumbi>ranix: i just wanted to know if i can disbale it writing a file in sysfs
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09:44<zumbi>ranix: $ echo "set bell-style none">> ~/.inputrc as suggested in debian guide
09:44<zumbi>ranix: $ . .inputrc
09:45<themill>Stuckey: close enough. http is a protocol -- it's a set of rules for how a conversation should go. html is the language that the content of the conversation is in. Things like http, lpr and ipp are ways of transferring data. The question that then follows is what format the data has to be in (e.g. postscript, pcl etc)
09:45<zumbi>ranix: stills beeping
09:45<zumbi>with $ setterm -blength 0 stills beeps
09:47*zumbi find the way within X11 with: $ xset b off
09:47<zumbi>dpkg: beep
09:47<dpkg>i heard beep is echo -ne '\a'. A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port, or see <bell>
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09:47<zumbi>dpkg: moo
09:47<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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09:50<ranix>zumbi: inputrc won't execute until you login again
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09:52<bzed>!tell aptituz about moo
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09:54<melkart>how can lenny be released when there are still release-critical bugs? (now 80-something)
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09:57<melkart>i see. thank you, themill
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10:18<Stuckey>themill: Is postscript the standard dataformat for printers?
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10:35<themill>Stuckey: yes. You'll generally get faster printing out of your printer with linux if it's postscript compatible, although HP printers supported by hpijs also do quite well. If you get a printer that requires a postscript->raster conversion by CUPS then your printing speed will be crap.
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10:37<Ikarus>themill: pcl stuff is also acceptably fast
10:37<kop>Stuckey : In other words, there is no standard dataformat for printers, except ASCII. Postscript comes closest to a standard, and yes, pcl is somewhere in there too. Blame the printer manufacturers.
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10:38<themill>Ikarus: through hpijs, yes. It used not to be because it went via a raster image.
10:38<Ikarus>themill: erm, ghostscripts pcl3 output isn't raster either
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10:39<themill>Ikarus: that's presumably fairly new then.
10:39<Ikarus>themill: last time I looked at it was back when Potato was stable
10:39<themill>Ikarus: (new meaning "in the last 5 years since I had to deal with a pcl printer")
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10:42<Stuckey>kop: Thanks
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10:44<themill>There was talk a couple of years ago about moving from ps to pdf as the standard printer language, but does anything actually talk pdf yet?
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10:45<Gathond>probably not
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10:46<Gathond>then again most printers does not actually speak PS any more either do they? they speak "move motor 1 2 steps clockwise", ",move ... etc"
10:46<Stuckey>The only thing I see on the printer specification page is something that says "Emulation: GDI"
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10:49<screenn>hey, whats happened with vlc it isn't playing video anymore?
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10:54<Torsten_W>screenn: could it be, that u have installed libavcodec51 from debian-multimedia repo?
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10:56<alephnull>screenn: I think the vlc in experimental fixes the problem (if it is what Torsten_W mentioned)
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10:59<screenn>I think so, because that happened before I added debian multimedia mirror
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10:59<Stuckey>Does anyone know a good way to find out if a printer accepts postscript files if it's not listed on the specification page?
10:59<screenn>after as I added demian multimedia mirror
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11:00<Stuckey>Or how to find out what it's compatible with?
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11:00<screenn>yes, I have installed libavcodec51
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11:01<screenn>now I'll remove libavcodec51 for experiment
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11:01<Torsten_W>screenn: it's not the only package
11:02<Torsten_W>screenn: and as alephnull told you, vlc has no problem with the ffmpeg packages from debian-multimedia
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11:03<screenn>really, but what I need to do for back my vlc for playing videos?
11:03<screenn>because usually I use vlc only for that
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11:04<Torsten_W>screenn: install vlc from experimental?
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11:04<Torsten_W>screenn: build vlc yourself against the installed packges?
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11:05<screenn>I have no traffic for download, just have local miorrors of Etch, Lenny, and Debian-Multimedia on my laptop
11:07<screenn>I'll disable Debian-Multimedia, and try reinstall all codecs with vlc again
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11:08<hanthana>guys any news from debian
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11:08<hanthana>we about to record our podcast
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11:09<screenn>still not work yet after that
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11:10<screenn>so, I have no ideas now as good as use mplayer for some time before it will be works again :(
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11:19<metalqga>rt73 has good native drivers?
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11:20<gsimmons>metalqga: The rt2x00 next generation driver (rt73usb) works pretty well over here.
11:21<metalqga>thanks, looking for a usb wlan and making sure it will just work
11:23<cahoot>zd1211rw as another good option
11:23<cahoot>(in kernel)
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11:41<Ikarus>how can I tell apt-get to install from experimental a certain package and all it's dependencies found in experimental
11:41<Ikarus>(as experimental is never automatically selected I'd assume some special option is for this)
11:43<themill>Ikarus: -t experimental
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11:44<Ikarus>hrm, causing all sorts of odd effects
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11:47<themill>Ikarus: aptitude's resolver (in particular the interactive resolver) might do better for you
11:48<Ikarus>themill: yeah, well it is creativly producing unmet depedencies: xserver-xorg-core: Conflicts: xserver-xorg-input-2
11:48<Ikarus>and no such xserver-xorg-input-2 exists :)
11:48<metalqga>another wlan related question: the usb wlan comes with sth like a usb hub (and fundament) with a long usb cable, will that cable act as an atenna? (highly improbable) Maybe they expect moving it around the room will increase reach?
11:49<Ikarus>metalqga: no it shouldn't work as an antenna for anything relevant
11:49<metalqga>and the last question,, this or a usb wlan with an antenna is better?
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11:49<themill>Ikarus: what package(s) are you trying to install?
11:49<metalqga>i mean external antenna
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11:51<Ikarus>themill: experimental version of xserver-xorg-video-intel and all it's dependencies
11:53<themill>Ikarus: "aptitude why xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-input-2" might be enlightening
11:53<Ikarus>yeah, I just figured it out
11:54<Ikarus>the xserver-xorg-input-wacom package is causing issues
11:54<Ikarus>because it doesn't exist in experimental
11:54<Ikarus>(hrm, wonder why)
11:55<themill>Ikarus: it's a different source package
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11:55<Ikarus>yup, appaerently
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11:56<Ikarus>this is going to give me a headache
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11:56<themill>Ikarus: it's experimental; it's supposed to
11:57<Ikarus>themill: heh, true
11:57<Ikarus>ah well, experimental is a major improvement over the days where a PAM upgrade in sid locked everyone out of their boxes
11:58<Ikarus>now that was hell :)
11:59<themill>!sidsmite Ikarus
11:59*dpkg smacks Ikarus with a crippling libstdc++5 bug
11:59<themill>ahh... they were the days
11:59<Ikarus>meh, a libstdc++5 bug isn't half as bad :P
11:59<Ikarus>that way you could still log in and onto IRC to ask wtf is wrong
12:00<fxiny>what about a typo when editing a pam file ? :P
12:00<Ikarus>the only way around this was to boot up with init=/bin/sh and go from there
12:01<fxiny>i boot from my maintenance system
12:01<Ikarus>since that day I run on virtual console 6 a getty which does NOT depend on PAM
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12:04<metalqga>ok rephrasing my previous question. how much are the gains from the external antenna in a usb wlan? are there any other than directing it away from the groines :) ?
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12:06<Gathond>metalqga: depends on the antenna in question most likely
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12:07<fxiny>better monitor then !list :P
12:07<Gathond>metalqga: please don't message me
12:07<fxiny>a big improvement
12:07<metalqga>ok post the link here?
12:08<Gathond>metalqga: just keep it in the channel, or a pastebin if there are more than 4 lines
12:08<metalqga>this is the wlan in question
12:08<Gathond>but data on the internal antennas are usually unavailable, so whether they are better/worse differs a lot.
12:08<metalqga>the other one is a dlink with the same chipset
12:08<Gathond>in general an external antenna should be able to work better, if it is properly designed anyway
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12:10<metalqga>hmm, thanks...
12:10<Katleta>How do I figure out if POSIX shared memory is enabled on my system?
12:11<Katleta>(I am installing ATI drivers and it's in the instructions)
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12:14<metalqga>katleta just install it via aptitude
12:14<metalqga>it's the best way
12:15<themill>Katleta: try installing the drivers the debian way -- /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner
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12:15<Katleta>how would I do that?
12:15<Katleta>what is fglrx ?
12:16<dpkg>i guess fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>., #ati @ See also <radeon>.
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12:17<Katleta>how do I have non free soursesin sourses.list again?
12:18<metalqga>sth like this in the sources.list deb lenny main contrib non-free
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12:18<metalqga>for lenny, change lenny with etch for etch
12:18<Katleta>metalqga, I add that to ourses or replace mains?
12:18<themill>And for etch, use
12:20<metalqga>then aptityde update
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12:20<Katleta>metalqga, ok did that. Can i run "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" all togather?
12:21<Katleta>or do I have t do it one by one?
12:21<metalqga>yes that's what dpkg told ya
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12:22<metalqga>ok got the wlan working with no troubles thanks all
12:23<metalqga>oh last question, wifi-radar or .. ?
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12:26<Katleta>I got: "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
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12:27<Ikarus>hrm, is wacomcpl or another wacom control panel and callibration app packaged for Debian, it is not in wacom-tools
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12:28<nassim>OLA A TOO EL MUNDO
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12:29<Katleta>When i reconfigure xorg, it only configures keyboard and does not get to video
12:29<stew>Katleta: that is expected, the newer xorg can detect the video card and monitor at runtime for most people
12:30<Katleta>stew, so I should do what?
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12:30<Katleta>stew, I am running Lenny
12:30<stew>Katleta: about the "FATAL: Error inserting fglrx" message?
12:30<Stuckey>Hey, lenny is stable tomorrow, right?
12:30<stew>Stuckey: hopefully
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12:31<Katleta>stew, ok gotcha
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12:31<Stuckey>stew: you know what time?
12:31<Ikarus> why is this bug there still anyway
12:31<Katleta>bow do I reconfigure vidoe card if reconfiguring xorg does not ge me to that poit?
12:31<stew>Stuckey: the process starts at 1200 UTC, there is no way of knowing how long it will take
12:31<Katleta>it exits after keyboard configuration
12:31<stew>Katleta: what do you need to change in the configuration? why doesn't the default configuration work for you?
12:31*Ikarus guesses Ron Lee isn't that active
12:32<Katleta>need to install proper drivers for radeon 9600
12:32<metalqga>my vga is the same
12:32<metalqga>and if you aren't a big fan of 3d shooters then the free/ati driver is better
12:34<Katleta>I'm not, but my bro is... seting it up for him
12:35<stew>Katleta: for 9600 there is no reason to use the non-free fglrx driver, you could use the free radeon driver instead
12:35<metalqga>them continue installing fglrx
12:35<stew>Katleta: what does "uname -r" say?
12:35<metalqga>stew as far as I remember the free driver is not as good at 3d opengl as fglrx
12:35<Katleta>metalqga, I thought I finished installing it?
12:35<stew>metalqga: how is it not as good?
12:35<Stuckey>stew: will there be an announcement on debian-announce
12:36<metalqga>fewer fps
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12:36<stew>Stuckey: yes
12:37<Tuplad>Could anyone help me out ? I've got an external Lacie Hdd which has 2 partitions. One NTFS and one VFAT. On plugging in it mounts the vfat partition, but gives me an error for the NTFS one. How can I properly mount the second 900gb partition ?
12:37<cahoot>the error doesn't give a clue?
12:38<stew>metalqga: you know this to be a fact? or you are guessing? are you sure that fglrx still supports this card?
12:38<metalqga>stew as I said i'm still using that vga
12:38<Katleta>I get Fatal: Module radeon is in use. when i try to modprobe -r radeon drm
12:39<Tuplad>cahoot: no clue, just that it can't mount it
12:39<Stuckey>Does anyone know of a decent scanner/printer that's Postscript compatible? It doesn't have to be a laser.
12:39<stew>Katleta: why are you trying ot remove radeon?
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12:39<Katleta>stew, I am trying to install nonfree radeon driver for 9600. I dont care how ifI can only do it
12:39<cahoot>Tuplad: and if you try mount it manually?
12:39<stew>Katleta: ok
12:40<Tuplad>cahoot: mount only shows /dev/sda1 on /media/EXCHANGE type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=lower,uid=1000) so I don't know what to mount really ;(
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12:40<cahoot>fdisk -l /dev/sda?
12:40<Stuckey>Katleta: there's an OSS driver for that card. fgflx I believe the project is called.
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12:41<billybigrigger>mornin all
12:41<stew>Stuckey: there is an oss driver named radeon for that card. fglrx is the non-free driver. he, for some reason, wants the non-free one instead of the free one
12:42<Stuckey>Katleta: you should use the oss driver.
12:42<Tuplad>cahoot: thx :D there we go !
12:42<Katleta>Stuckey, what is that?
12:42<Katleta>What do I do to NOT have module Radeon in use?
12:42<stew>Katleta: meaning "open source software". he's talking about the one that is free and comes with debian that fully supports your card
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12:43<Katleta>Stuckey, I need to give nonfree a try to see if it starts the game I am trying to run
12:43<Katleta>stew, any ideas how I can make Module radeon be not in use?
12:43<Stuckey>Katleta: you should configure x and I believe it will pick up the correct options.
12:44<Tuplad>cahoot: one last question though. I mounted it through sudo but can't access it through normal user. how can I fix it ?
12:44<dpkg>If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs
12:44<Katleta>Stuckey, it does not get to that point, quits after keyboard config
12:45<Tuplad>cahoot: thanks!
12:45<stew>Katleta: is X currently running?
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12:48<Stuckey>If postscript printers are the fastest, then why don't manufactures make all of their printers postscript compatible?
12:49<stew>Stuckey: becuase postscript is much harder and more expensive for them to implement
12:49<stew>Stuckey: they have to do more processing in the printer, instead of doing the processing in the printer driver
12:50<stew>metalqga: that is confirmation that the fglrx driver doesn't support his card and he should use radeon? or what?
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12:51<Stuckey>stew: But wouldn't it be worth it... if it's so much faster than doing processing on the client.
12:52<stew>Stuckey: i don't know
12:52<Stuckey>stew: Do you know how well GDI is supported in linux?
12:52<Katleta>when I configure xorg, it does not let me get to video card point
12:52<stew>Stuckey: i don't konw what that is
12:52<Stuckey>Katleta: I was going to tell you earlier to fix your keyboard problem first, and then try to configure.
12:52<stew>Katleta: correct. its not supposed to any longer. the correct driver should be detected at runtime
12:53<Stuckey>stew: G.D.I. is Graphical Device Interface, from Microsoft
12:53<Stuckey>stew: it'a a PDL
12:55<metalqga>stew: page 4 it says "ATI RadeonTM 9600 Series"
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12:56<bandya>Hello Every body
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12:57<bandya>I need help regarding installing debian on an older system
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12:58<Guest1199>bandya - how old the system is ?
12:58<bandya>It's a PIII
12:58<bandya>with 128 MB ram
12:58<Guest1199>video ?
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12:58<bandya>I suppose
12:59<Guest1199>u need some more RAM otherwise it'l be too slow , I tried it
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12:59<metalqga>stew: the packages state they support r5xx r6xx r7xx but the 9600 is r3xx, whick might be the problem
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13:00*Supaplex looks at this 228945920 bytes of a directory inode and says ow
13:00<metalqga>but the original fglrx drivers support it.
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13:00<nmd202>looking for the right install cd. i don't want the installation to install etch-half. just etch.
13:01<Guest1199>bandya - The solution is to install a older Debian on a P3 with 128 , I doubt i'd like it
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13:01<stew>bandya: what do you need help with? there should be no problem installing debian on that machine
13:02<nmd202>will debian-40r7-i386-CD-1 install etch or etch-half?
13:02<stew>nmd202: etch
13:02<Guest1199>bamdya - Generally I tried to install the DVD version of Debian etch - pretty consuming :(
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13:02<stew>nmd202: the etchnhalf cds would have "etchnhalf" in the iso name
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13:03<Guest1199>bandya - If u like somthing very lite witch installs in 20 mins try KNOPPIX Live CD instead
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13:04<dr|z3d>bandya: You might find puppy linux a happy medium.
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13:04<stew>why not debian?
13:05<Guest1199>Debian is good but resource consuming
13:05<dr|z3d>Puppy's better on older hardware I would have thought, especially those specs bandya mentioned.
13:06<stew>dr|z3d: is puppy as good for what he is going to use the machine for?
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13:06<dr|z3d>stew: It's quite a broad distro, sure. Main bases covered.
13:07<stew>Guest1199: how is debian more resource consuming than knoppix?
13:07<shibin>i am having a problem in installing kdevelop-3.5.4
13:07<shibin>can someone help me
13:07<Guest1199>In his case smth like KNOPPIX with IcewM ONLY - KDE min 256 megs
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13:08<stew>Guest1199: right, so knoppix is not actually a good suggestion for him
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13:08<metalqga>i'd use debian base wtih x-core and fluxbox
13:08<adama>shibin: show us your command and its output using a pastebin. /msg dpkg paste
13:09<Guest1199>Yes , fluxbox is a good variant on most machines
13:09<shibin>checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
13:10<shibin>what is a pastebin
13:10<adama>!tell shibin -about paste
13:10<GridSimForNow>hi, anyone familiar with openCV?i have a code which is running in windows, but i gave ERROR in Linux. this is the code :
13:10<GridSimForNow> cvCreateTrackbar( "Position",
13:10<GridSimForNow> "Video2",
13:10<GridSimForNow> &g_slider_position,
13:10<GridSimForNow> frameCount,
13:10-!-GridSimForNow was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
13:10<adama>lol, that is why we use pastebins
13:11<stew>shibin: do you really need 3.5.4? you cant use some older 3.5.x which is already packaged?
13:11<chealer>Guest1199, dr|z3d: Knoppix and Puppy Linux are offtopic here.
13:11<Guest1199>OK , sorry
13:12<stew>its also silly to be recommending to him without knowing what he wants to do
13:12<shibin>i am using 3.5.4 to get familiarize how to compile from source & also for my project
13:12<stew>shibin: and 3.5.0 or 3.5.2 won't work?
13:12<stew>shibin: or 3.3?
13:13<Katleta>How do I check which driver my system is using for Video card? the installer from ATI finished successfuly
13:13<Katleta>I just want to make sure I'm using it now
13:13<stew>Katleta: in X?
13:13<Katleta>stew, I guess so
13:13<shibin>that will be fine but i want know what is going wrong during configuration
13:13<stew>Katleta: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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13:14<stew>shibin: we'd recommend you just "aptitude install kdevelop" instead of compiling it. if you insist on compiling it, we'd recommend recompiling the debian packages, and "apt-get build-dep kdevelop" might help
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13:15<Katleta> would not be the nonfree would it?
13:15<shibin>i know that but plz tell what is this error means configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
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13:16<stew>Katleta: yes, fglrx is non-free
13:17<Katleta>stew, is it possible that I installed nonfree ati drivers but am still using oss?
13:17<stew>Katleta: certainly, i'd hope so in this case
13:17<Katleta>it says in log: Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
13:17<Katleta>(II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
13:17<Katleta>is this oss or not?
13:18<stew>Katleta: not
13:18<Katleta>stew, thank you
13:18<shibin>what is a pastebin means
13:18<metalqga>its the nonfree
13:18<stew>shibin: a website where you can paste a bunch of text, and it creates a url that you could share with us, so we could all see the text
13:18<Katleta>stew, metalqga , thanks for helping out.
13:18<metalqga>Kaleta: interminal fglrxinfo
13:19<metalqga>it should contain OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
13:19<shibin>thanks can u plz tell me how to do that ??
13:20<Katleta>metalqga, yep, that's what it is
13:20<stew>shibin: how to do what, exactly?
13:20<Guest1199>Hey Guys ! I'd like to install Compiz on A GeForce4 MX 440 SE 64 MB - IS it worth trying, heard it must work ??
13:20<metalqga>it means you did really installed the driver
13:20<Katleta>So generally should i buy Nvidia or ATI (now that I am switching to Linux) ?
13:20<stew>Katleta: intel
13:20<Guest1199>Compiz on Debian
13:20<Katleta>stew, intel makes video cards?
13:20<stew>Katleta: yes
13:21<metalqga>i'd choose ati
13:21<shibin>a website where u can paste a bunch ....
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13:21<metalqga>i still keep my intel 8mb vga :P
13:21<Guest1199>IMHO - ATI has problems with driver upgrade
13:21<stew>shibin: go to ; paste stuff into the big box. hit send
13:21<metalqga>but is better than intel and doesnt have structural probs like nvidia
13:22<Guest1199>Nvidia has better driver support
13:22<metalqga>better*=more fps
13:22<stew>intel has better driver support by far
13:22<metalqga>but read the problems they have with their hardware?
13:22<Guest1199>partially agree - maybe u right
13:22<goodger>Katleta: they make mediocre integrated cards that are currently the only nearly-half-way-decent cards with free and open-source drivers. ATI have opened their specifications, but no driver has emerged so far, and their proprietary driver is decidedly poor. nvidia have no plans to open anything from what I can tell, but their driver is better than ATI's and their cards are decent
13:22<metalqga>ati's free driver support is improving fast
13:23<stew>nvidia at least gives us a free driver. it's however completely crippled
13:23<metalqga>read phoronix's site
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13:23<Guest1199>So what about Compiz on GeForce 4 MX 440 ?
13:23<Katleta>goodger, interesting, thanks for info. Hard to make conclusion on which to buy/support though
13:24<shibin>thank u for that i am sending ./configuration information
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13:24<stew>shibin: we don't really need it. we already understand your problem
13:24<goodger>Katleta: if you are a gamer, you are pretty much restricted to ATi and nVidia. I have chosen nVidia because their drivers are better; in the future, when open-source drivers are available for ATi, I shall probably move to them
13:24<shibin>what is my problem then??
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13:25<stew>shibin: you haven't installed the qt development packages required to compile kdevelop, as i mentioned, "apt-get build-dep kdevelop" should install all of the packages needed to compile kdevelop. however, again, I'd not recommend compiling it, it just recommend installing one of the versions debian has already compiled for you
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13:27<shibin>how can i know what package of qt is not installed as i was install lot of pt package using apt-get install
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13:28<stew>shibin: you could look through config.log to see which file it was looking for when it generated that error, and search for the package with apt-file
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13:28<stew>shibin: is there some reason you are compiling kdevelop instead of just installing the pre-compiled version?
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13:29<shibin>i want to learn how to tack errors while compiling
13:29<shibin>as all the time i end with error
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13:30<shibin>and go for pre-compiled one
13:30<goodger>would it be possible to gain a noticeable latency improvement in day-to-day desktop operations of my system by compiling deb-src packages with high execution optimizations, or would it just be a waste of time and disk space?
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13:31<metalqga>and cpu time
13:31<mase>i think it would be a waste of your time
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13:31<mase>you mean doing it like gentoo?
13:31<goodger>mase: to an extent, yes
13:32<goodger>leaving everything except optimization flags alone
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13:33<mase>i dont think you would recognize a difference. (except crashing some things)
13:33<goodger>compiling specific to the k8 architecture, with -O3, and all possible instruction sets enabled
13:33<goodger>I don't see that any of that would crash anything...
13:33<fxiny>you running out at cpu power ?
13:33<mase>no, i mean by having problems with compiling everything
13:34<fxiny>what for ? if ain't debian ain't good :P
13:34<goodger>fxiny: the system is very latent at times, particularly iceweasel, particularly when compared to firefox on windows [as covered in a /. article this morning)
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13:35<mase>i think this is not solvable with re-compiling with optimization
13:35<fxiny>goodger: this is a PII 400 , i can run iceweasel firefox3 and firefox3.1b2
13:35<fxiny>in etch
13:36<goodger>it runs
13:36<shibin>i am not able understand config.log
13:36<goodger>it's just painfully slow at times
13:36<shibin>can u plz tell me about it
13:37<mase>shibin what config.log?
13:37<Guest1199>Guys - are you having the same slowdown in Firefox with Flash installed in it ??!!?
13:37<goodger>especially javascript performance, though 3.0 was a great improvement
13:37<fxiny>but i do not actually care about firefox3 in etch ,i want to see performances on this PII . i can't see better firefox3.1b2 performances comparing to firefox3
13:37<mase>Guest1199 yea, flash is a horrible waste of cpu
13:37<shibin>i am new to this so i dont know ?
13:37<Guest1199>Firefox is slow when I openmore than 7-10 tabs
13:37<stew>shibin: you'd have to ask a more specific question
13:38<fxiny>on thing is sure : bpo2.6.26 runs better then standard 2.6.18 . on this box
13:38<Guest1199>mase - how to solve it - to move to Opera or what ?!?
13:38<shibin>i mean how to look at config.log to see error
13:38<fxiny>so i believe you should try the best mix you can get , in etch
13:38<mase>Guest1199 no, i think its a pure flash issue.
13:38<stew>shibin: i'd use "less config.log" or open it in an editor
13:39<Guest1199>on Opera it's normal ! without slowdowns
13:39<shibin>i opened it it mcedit
13:39<mase>Guest1199 flash does not use any hardware acceleration like xv for videos for example
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13:39<shibin>but cant understand anything
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13:39<mase>Guest1199 opera can use the adobes flash plugin?
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13:39<Guest1199>mase I dunno !
13:40<rickbot>mase: yes
13:40<fxiny>the only problem i had moving from sarge to etch is scp/ssh . i use ftp to tranfer files from this box to my main one
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13:40<Guest1199>I tried Opera with flash ON - it works perfectly !
13:40<mase>Guest1199 i think its just about the flashplugin itself, independent of the browser
13:40<mase>Guest1199 oh really?
13:40<shibin>should i paste config.log in
13:41<stew>shibin: if you have a specific question you want to ask us about it, then sure
13:41<Guest1199>mase - YES it works better than Firefox ! I tell u !
13:41<rickbot>mase: you can put it in the opera plugins dir but also, opera will look in the mozilla plugins dir and use whatever it finds there
13:41<metalqga>it works as good as in ff
13:42<Guest1199>IMHO - Opera is better at this point !
13:42<metalqga>at least it crashes as often
13:42<rickbot>works fine here
13:42<metalqga>at least opera saves the last session, so I could resume browsing
13:43<stew>as does ff
13:43<fxiny>goodger: firefox3 , with libs in opt , sometimes crashes x , some sites are f* up . that could be your problem
13:43<rickbot>both need to have this enabled in settings
13:43<fxiny>goodger: same sites in lenny ice3 are ok
13:43<Ikarus>hrm, is there a file in package search for experimental
13:43<Guest1199>i like Opera cause U can shutdown images and use only text when u need it - Saves time !
13:43*metalqga opera has this as default?
13:44<Ikarus>I seem to have misplaced xf86Version.h ;) used to be in xserver-xorg-dev isn't there anymore
13:44<stew>Ikarus: yes,
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13:44<stew>Ikarus: or, if you have experimental in your sources.list: /msg dpkg apt-file
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13:44<Ikarus>stew: hrm, if is to be believed we lost it somewhere
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13:45<fxiny>mwetalqga : opera lacks good extensions . firefox without extensions is useless
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13:45<metalqga>actually extenions make ff insecure
13:45<amjad>how can capture traffic from multipe different IPs using tcpdump
13:46<amjad>not using net
13:46<metalqga>opera's extensions are 'trusted' whatever it means
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13:46<amjad>the IPs are from different networks
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13:46<shibin>i have pasted the config.log in ,now the Question is that which Qt package is missing from this file
13:47<adama>amjad: tcpdump -i eth2, eth4 ?
13:47<stew>amjad: "host or host"
13:48<adama>oh yeah, ognore me
13:48<amjad>adama, I don't want to capture from all IPs, just few
13:48<mase>shibin "libqt3-mt-dev" ?
13:48<amjad>Can I do that using or
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13:49<stew>mase: he actually doesn't want to know the solution, i've given him several solutions, he wants to know how he could determine that himself
13:50<shibin>how did u understand that plz tell me "mase"
13:50<fxiny>goodger: i see , is all about javascriptm , i keep it disabled with an extension , i would not run firefox through wine
13:50<fxiny>some becnhmarks makes no sense
13:50<goodger>fxiny: it's not possible to do my job without javascript enabled on the majority of sites I use. the application itself, further, is written partly in javascript
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13:51<fxiny>goodger: do you use noscript ?
13:51<mase>shibin i don't get your problem at all, but does "apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev" not work?
13:51<goodger>fxiny: for the sites that don't require javascript to work
13:51<shibin>it worked
13:51<shibin>that error is gone
13:51<Hideo>hi ya fxiny
13:52<stew>mase: his problem is not "how do i make this compilation work" but "how do i read config.log"
13:52<fxiny>goodger: i'm running 3.1b2 just now , it performs like 3
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13:52<fxiny>Hideo: hey ! long time , how's going ?
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13:52<shibin>how did u understand this package was missing from config.log
13:52<Hideo>fxiny: it's going alright, how are you?
13:52<mase>stew aaahh, ok, that was not catchable for me ;)
13:52<fxiny>Hideo: fine , i hope to finish my lenny tomorrow :)
13:53<fxiny>not sure ;)
13:53<mase>shibin the line "(library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!"
13:53<metalqga>i hope to be dlding the dvds tomorrow
13:53<Hideo>what do you mean? lenny is out already?
13:53<fxiny>Hideo: not yet
13:53<darth>alguem pode me ajudar?
13:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:54<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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13:54<fxiny>Hideo: its me taking my time . etch is still so good for me
13:54<mase>shibin and since you want to compile something, you need the "dev"-package, and in debian its libqt3-mt-dev
13:54<Hideo>fxiny: ah, I misunderstood
13:54<EmleyMoor>lenny is due out tomorrow all being well
13:54<fxiny>valentine ready :)
13:55<fxiny>no one can match debian taste
13:55<Hideo>fall in love with Debian all over again!
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13:55<goodger>people will have all saturday afternoon and sunday to fix their broken upgrades, and then get back to normal operation on monday
13:55<shibin>but that line says only that library is not found
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13:56<nmd202>can i just get rid of artsd?
13:56<nmd202>remove it i mean
13:56<EmleyMoor>shibin: Next step: Find out which package it is in
13:56<mase>shibin jey, that can also mean the "libraries header files", which are in the dev package
13:57<EmleyMoor>When compiling it usually means that
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13:57<mase>nmd202 in kde3 not directly, but you can use pulseaudio, which will be standard in kde4
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13:57<shibin>now a new error "chosen, are no KDE headers installed" does that mean dev itself
13:58<mase>shibin normally yes
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13:58<Hideo>fxiny: I just switched to ratpoison, I'm liking it so far :)
13:58<mase>shibin you can install kde-dev which also will install all the qt-dev stuff
13:59<fxiny>Hideo: is it mantained again ?
13:59<shibin> apt-get install kde-dev
13:59<shibin>Reading package lists... Done
13:59<shibin>Building dependency tree... Done
13:59<shibin>E: Couldn't find package kde-dev
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13:59<mase>shibin oh, sorry that was wrong
13:59<Hideo>fxiny: I'm not sure, even if it isn't, it does seem to be working okay atm
14:00<mase>shibin its kdelibs4-dev, i hope
14:00<metalqga>fxiny we celebrate both valentine and trifon zarezan (the latter is sth related to drinkig) :P
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14:00<mastroquet>fxiny: maintained? you mean ratpoison?
14:00<fxiny>Hideo: i have an unfinished fluxbox lenny . i've checked kde yesterday , just a check . i'm planning to install xmonad and/or awesome .
14:01<fxiny>mastroquet: yes
14:01<fxiny>mastroquet: wasn't discountinued ?
14:01<fxiny>or unmantained ?
14:01<mastroquet>fxiny: no
14:01<Guest1032>how do you install the kernel source?
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14:02<Hideo>I think it's unmaintained but I haven't encountered any particularly annoying bug yet
14:02<fxiny>mastroquet: seen ? is not anymore developped
14:02<fxiny>there was something about
14:02<mastroquet>Hideo: I'm usint ratpoison from git right now, how could it be "unmaintained"?
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14:03<Hideo>mastroquet: ah then I'm wrong, I'm sorry
14:03<fxiny>mastroquet: from git ? so someone restarted it
14:03<fxiny>good news
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14:03<Hideo>I just use whatever is in unstable
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14:03<fxiny>Hideo : you are not wrong , there was something about it
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14:04<mastroquet>last changes are from 08/11
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14:04<mastroquet>buy Shawn
14:05<Hideo>fxiny: "awesome" as you mentioned above is also a wm ?
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14:05<mastroquet>and Shawn is thez original author of Ratpoison
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14:06<shibin>but when i installed kdelibs4-dev that error was gone
14:06<mastroquet>Hideo: awesome is a wm based on dwm
14:06<fxiny>mastroquet: good news : i'0m on ratpoison site , Feb-19-2008 1.4.3 released !
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14:07<Hideo>mastroquet and fxiny are the default key bindings of awesome and xmonad similar to ratpoison's ?
14:07<mastroquet>fxiny: I prefer to use more recent stuff from git
14:07<fxiny>Hideo: awesome and xmonad , i will try to run both togheter with fluxobox , kicking for goods all "folders" desktops env
14:07<shibin>hai mase still their
14:08<mase>shibin what, the problem?
14:08<fxiny>mastroquet: you are right , i will get it from git :)
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14:08<fxiny>Hideo: they are *tiling* windows managers
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14:09<fxiny>ratpoison is uniq
14:09<shibin>just asked as lost connection
14:09<Hideo>fxiny: yep, I just don't want to learn another set of key bindings
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14:09<Hideo>I kinda like ratpoison's key binds b/c they are so similar to screen's
14:09<fxiny>Hideo: i use wmii keybindings in fluxbox and i use vimperator in firefrog
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14:10<fxiny>i fly :)
14:10<nmd202>what's the command to check what users are part of what groups?
14:10<mase>shibin aah, ok, did not recognize. sorry, kde-dev was wrong, it should be kdelibs4-dev i hope
14:10<fxiny>nmd202: groups ?
14:10<stew>nmd202: groups username
14:11<stew>...mutters something about "apt-cache showsrc kdevelop | grep Build-Depends"
14:12<stew>and again, apt-get build-dep kdevelop
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14:13<Serg-io> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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14:15<fxiny>Hideo: emacs org-mode is in lenny :)
14:16<fxiny>tab tab tab :)
14:16<Hideo>fxiny: what is that about? :)
14:17<fxiny>Hideo: todo organizer and more . there is a google lab something vid plus manuals
14:17<Hideo>fxiny: wow awesome is not bad at all, I'm gonna try to stick with it for a few days
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14:17<fxiny>Hideo: yeahh , is nice
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14:21<New2Linux>Ok I need debian for school work, Im into studies. I have a Acer Ferrari 3000 can anyone please help me what debian IMG. file is best to install
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14:22<ranix>fxiny: to chmod all hidden files in a users home dir, I once did chown user:user .*
14:22<mase>New2Linux IMG-files?
14:22<ranix>fxiny: chown -r actually
14:22<New2Linux>yeah what type of install i should do
14:22<ranix>fxiny: not realizing that would hit ../* recursively
14:22<New2Linux>I want to install a plain linux on that PC
14:22<mastroquet>New2Linux: If you have an ethernet connection, netinstall is the way to go
14:22<ranix>all files were owned by the president's wife until I realized what had happened
14:23<mase>New2Linux if you are really new to linux the DVD images would be the best for you i think
14:23<New2Linux>Im not really new to it...but sort of...
14:23<billybigrigger>New2Linux, theres the link to the dvd downloads
14:23<billybigrigger>you only need to download the first dvd to install
14:24<New2Linux>alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch] ---What shall I choose of this
14:24<fxiny>ranix: blody hell ! i did a rm * yesterday as root in my home when replacing my backups to test kde . thouht i was in the backup dir :P i rsynced it immediately :)
14:24<billybigrigger>New2Linux, i386
14:25<New2Linux>on the acer ferrari?
14:25<stew>New2Linux: note, you don't need to download an entire dvd, you could also install with a cd image
14:25<New2Linux>I have now installed it with a nix called vector linux...
14:25<mase>New2Linux i386 does work, but you may be able to use amd64, depends on your processor
14:25<stew>New2Linux: do you know what cpu you have?
14:25<ranix>haha whoops!
14:25<billybigrigger>im pretty sure acer ferrari 3000 doesnt have dual core
14:26<billybigrigger>i looked into buying one awhile ago
14:26<stew>New2Linux: specifically which amd?
14:26<mase>billybigrigger ... but its mor about 64-bit or not, isn't it?
14:26<fxiny>ranix: i do the old chmod user.user , don't like ":"
14:26<ranix>fxiny: I didn't know there was a .
14:26<billybigrigger>well from what i've heard/read 64bit is still kinda unstable
14:26<ranix>honestly I have never read the manpage of chmod
14:26<New2Linux>dont go to fast on me now!
14:26<stew>billybigrigger: you heard wrong
14:27<ranix>I should get around to doing that
14:27<billybigrigger>for school work like he wants, 32bit os should do the trick
14:27<mase>billybigrigger no
14:27<billybigrigger>ok, argue away, just my 2 cents
14:27<billybigrigger>Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2500, 512MB of DDR SDRAM, 60GB hard drive, DVD RW drive, 128MB ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 graphics, 15-inch SXGA LCD, 10/100 Ethernet, 802.11g wireless, Bluetooth, Microsoft Windows XP Home
14:27<New2Linux>I into IT at school and are now trying out apache
14:27<billybigrigger>thats acer ferrari 3000
14:27<ranix>billybigrigger: I agree, but not with actual Debian packages. Only third party software, because developers are too stupid to be trusted with pointer arithmetic
14:27<billybigrigger>have fun with 64bit on that
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14:28<New2Linux>then I heard that debian is the best OS
14:28<New2Linux>for Apache
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14:28<New2Linux>corr. Apache2
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14:28<billybigrigger>New2Linux, the i386 download is what you want
14:28<mase>New2Linux yea, its the best, but you have to be quite used to linux
14:28<New2Linux>yeah but thats why Im into school
14:29<New2Linux>we are learning Apache with Linux
14:29<New2Linux>so I am that new
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14:31<fxiny>nie one
14:31<New2Linux>Ok then I try to download the CD of I386
14:31<New2Linux>and install that one
14:31<mase>New2Linux ok
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14:32<New2Linux>Its 21 CDs!!!
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14:32<New2Linux>Can that be right!
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14:32<mase>New2Linux no, you just need the first dvd
14:32<stew>New2Linux: you only need the first if you can get onto the internet with the default kernel
14:32<mase>New2Linux than you can switch to http-recources
14:32<stew>New2Linux: the 21 cds are every single package in debian (and some that arent) for installation onto computers that can't get onto a network
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14:33<fxiny>last week or this week can't remember , someone asked about "using debian in commercial apps" , i think that url is a good answer
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14:44<Stuckey_>Has anyone here ever had a system turn itself off after inserting a USB flash drive into a USB port?
14:45<mase>Stuckey_ :D thats cool, no, i didn't
14:45<mase>Stuckey_ sounds like a power problem
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14:46<Stuckey_>mase: How do I go about fixing it? Any ideas?
14:46<mase>Stuckey_ do regular usb sticks work?
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14:46<mase>Stuckey_ is it a hard power off or a shutdown?
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14:46<Stuckey_>mase: hard power off
14:46<Stuckey_>mase: immediate
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14:47<Serg-io>dang.. im trying centerim, should work on the key combos
14:47<mase>Stuckey_ for me it seems your power supply unit is to weak. A usb drive can use about 1 additional ampere on 5V
14:48<Stuckey_>mase: I've got a Conair 650w power supply...
14:48<mase>Stuckey_ oh, but sticks work?
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14:48<Stuckey_>mase: I'm looking into that now
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14:50<Stuckey>mase: looks like the flash drive is dead... Do you know how to tell if it works or not?
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14:51<mase>Stuckey_ do you have another computer?
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14:51<Stuckey>mase: nope
14:51<mase>Stuckey_ the one youre chatting with ;)
14:51<Stuckey>mase: Yeah this is the only one.
14:52<mase>Stuckey_ well, can be also the motherboard, not able to handle the power consumption
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14:53<mase>Stuckey_ have you tried a stick? (sorry, i repeat myself)
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14:53<Stuckey>mase: What do you mean?
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14:53<mase>Stuckey_ your usb drive is a hard disk, isn't it?
14:53<Stuckey>mase: it's a usb stick
14:54<mase>Stuckey_ and the computer stops working (power off) with an usb stick? (sorry, thought it was a external hd)
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14:56<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to get rid of a chroot including all last remnants?
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14:56<mase>EmleyMoor remnants? what do you mean
14:56<Stuckey>mase: I inserted a USB stick and the computer powered itself off.
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14:57<ranix>Stuckey: that's not horribly unusuial
14:57<mase>Stuckey thats strange. do you have another usb stick?
14:57<EmleyMoor>mase: There are bits left over from old sessions - used schroot
14:57<ranix>Stuckey: what kind of computer
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14:57<Stuckey>ranix: ASUS PQ5 with Intel e8400, Debian Lenny
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14:57<mase>EmleyMoor what bits from what session?
14:58<EmleyMoor>I no longer have any serious need for the chroot and iceweasel had stopped working in it anyway
14:58<ranix>Stuckey: front or rear usb
14:58<Stuckey>ranix: I'm using the usb ports on the motherboard.
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14:58<mase>EmleyMoor chroot? iceweaseal? what are you doing?
14:58<ranix>Stuckey: yeah just try again. Asus motherboards are prone to rebooting when you hit the IO ground with static electricity
14:58<ranix>Stuckey: Advantech also
14:59<metalqga>hey guys, you have no idea how much more helpful you are than the other help channles!
14:59<mase>EmleyMoor you do a chroot and want to strat iceweasel?
14:59<Stuckey>ranix: okay thanks for the help
15:00<mase>-strat + start
15:00<EmleyMoor>mase: There's the bits mount shows
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15:00<EmleyMoor>I used to need 32-bit iceweasel for java plugins - not now
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15:01<mase>EmleyMoor ah, that was your "mount" output? thats not normal...
15:01<mase>EmleyMoor (after chroot?)
15:02<EmleyMoor>mase: No - no chroots active
15:02<mase>EmleyMoor oha
15:03<mase>EmleyMoor what have you done? does these directories appear in your fstab?
15:03<EmleyMoor>Not in fstab
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15:04<mase>EmleyMoor so how have you got these mounts?
15:04<EmleyMoor>They are what I think it refers to as recovered sessions
15:05<shibin>You have no kdelibs documentation generated by Doxygen installed.
15:05<shibin>You should install Doxygen from, reconfigure
15:05<shibin>and rebuild the kdelibs sources. You should 'make apidox' and
15:05<shibin>'make install' in your kdelibs build dir, and then rerun this
15:05<shibin>configure script.
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15:06<mase>EmleyMoor can you explain what you are doing?
15:07<EmleyMoor>Am doing? Nothing. Have done in the past? Run iceweasel and realplayer using schroot
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15:08<mase>EmleyMoor a chroot should not concern mounts on the "main" system..., does it?
15:08<shibin>sorry i accidently did it
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15:09<EmleyMoor>mase: It puzzles me a bit. It served me well while I needed it
15:10<mase>EmleyMoor oh, sorry, i'm not familiar with schroot, i thought it was a typo of chroot on your side....
15:10<shibin>i have pasted a text in and i installed it but again this msg came
15:11<mase>shibin have you installed "libqt3-headers" ?
15:12<EmleyMoor>mase: Sorted it
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15:13<EmleyMoor>FFR, schroot --all-sessions -e will remove that lot
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15:14<shibin>how to do " 'make apidox' and'make install' in your kdelibs build dir"
15:15<mase>shibin you should not need these fucking doxygen documentation of kde to compile your application...
15:16<mase>shibin may be you missconfigured something in your project?
15:16<shibin>what is that
15:17<mase>documentation for the kde, that your project seems to "demands"
15:17<shibin>what automake-config
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15:17<mase>-kde +kde-api
15:18<shibin>what does that mean
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15:19<shibin>plz tell about make apidox
15:19<shibin>what does that do
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15:20<mase>apidox menas generation of documentation (dox-doxygen, is a documentation tool) for the "api"(appilaction interface) of KDE
15:20<mase>you don't need that!
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15:21<shibin>thank you mase for that i didnt know that
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15:22<kk>checkout this liberty reserve money spinn promo @
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15:23<mase>shibin no one knows, was just the "make" target that your log told should not get this message at all
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15:25<mase>shibin how have you startet your project? with kdevelop wizard?
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15:26<shibin>i just needed a gui development tool so i thought this would do as kde has great look
15:26<mase>shibin you mean kdevelop?
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15:27<mase>shibin kdevelop is the best!
15:27<mase>shibin so you used the wizard to create your own project?
15:28<shibin>i am just a beginner so i dont know what a wizard is
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15:29<mase>"kdevelop-> create new project"... etc
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15:30<shibin>first i though of using gambus but it didnt look good
15:30<mase>wuhaaa, not basic, please... ;)
15:31<mase>no, really, kdevelop is perfect
15:31<jkivi>netbsd newbie question.. zyd driver "recognises" the zyxel ag-220 (rev2.00/48.10) as "ugen0"
15:31<jkivi>does this mean, the firmware does not get loaded?
15:32<jkivi>the version is netbsd-current (5.0rc2)
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15:32<mase>jkivi its the rev of the hardware
15:32<jkivi>sorry.. wrong channel :D
15:32<jkivi>mase: wrong rev?
15:33<mase>no, the revision of the hardware is independant of the revision of you os of course
15:33*metalqga don't recommend using songbird anymore
15:34<mase>(rev 2.00 is usual for current PCI revision for example)
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15:35<jkivi>mase: kernel lacked the product id, so i added it to usbdevs and recompiled kernel - no success.
15:35<relek>i'm running debian lenny, and my compiz fusion and X is using around 40% when i'm moving wiindow around
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15:36<relek>sorry 40 cpu usage:)
15:37<jkivi>.. but propably i'd better go to #bsd or #netbsd (linux has started to be everyday work for me, so i need some hobbies.. this time, netbsd) :D
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15:38<mase>jkivi yes (bsd channel), but the product id has nothing to do with the revision...
15:38<mastroquet>jkivi: LFS is a nice hobby of this king, too
15:39<jkivi>mastroquet: been there :D
15:39<jkivi>mase: thanks, that clarified a bit.
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15:40<mase>relek proprietary drivers of your graphic card installed?
15:41<mase>relek try to exec "glxinfo |grep direct" to see, if direct rendering is working at all...
15:41<relek>i'm using nvidia drivers version180.29. i'm not sure what you mean by propietary
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15:42<mase>relek ok, these should work
15:42<relek>Direct rendering:YES
15:42<mase>? ok, thats unnormal
15:42<relek>direct rendering: Yes
15:42<relek> GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_direct_state_access,
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15:43<mase>relek ok, compiz wastes quite a bit of cpu. what cpu do you have?
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15:44<cHeLo77>hi all
15:44<relek>core 2 duo 1.6ghz
15:44<mase>ok, should not be "40%"
15:44<relek>could throttling have an effect on it?
15:44<mase>not really
15:45<mase>and your xorg.conf loads "nvidia" driver, not "nv"?
15:45<relek>yes nvidia
15:45<mase>no rotated display?
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15:46<mase>how do you meassure the 40%?
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15:47<relek>htop and the gnome system monitor
15:47<relek>it goes back to 1-2% when windows are still
15:48<william>a he,he,he,he
15:48<relek>but if i'm watching a movie on youtube for instance it's ~40%
15:48<cHeLo77>Unable to load system description Tables?
15:48<cHeLo77>Some who can help me with that?
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15:48<relek>here's my xorg;
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15:49<mase>relek ok, but the adobes flash plugin is horrible. it does not use any hardware acceleration...
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15:49<relek>ok, that was just an example, it does that even if i'm not using youtube
15:50<mase>youtoube-> flash
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15:51<relek>me moving xchat from side to side makes the dpu go to 20%
15:51<Stuckey>Does anyone know of a printer/scanner (all in one) that's postscript compatible?
15:52<relek>the x process
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15:53<relek>compiz stays below 5%, sorry i rebooted this morning, and now the X process is what's jumping'
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15:55<relek>it does the same thing when i scroll
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15:56<mase>whow, seems to be a nvidia driver problem (showing up in the X-task)
15:57<forestmars>Does anyone know an ftp-server for Debian that supports the (quote) port command?
15:57<forestmars>This is need to do server-to-server transfers, but is restricted by most *modern* ftpd's for security reasons
15:57<mase>port command?
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15:58<forestmars>yes as in "quote port 192,168,10,125,24,231
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15:58<forestmars>used to do server-to-server transfers
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16:00<mase>forestmars sorry, never heared about the "quote port" stuff. what does it adduce?
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16:01<forestmars>again it's for setting up a file transfer between 2 remote servers, ...
16:01<forestmars>you quote passive on one, and send that to quote port on the other
16:01<forestmars>but that's kind of a security issue
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16:01<forestmars>however this is being done on a local network, and thus is really really handy
16:01<forestmars>but it's hard to find a version of ftpd that supports it anymore!
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16:03<silentcrew>ciao a tutti
16:03<silentcrew>c'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi
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16:05<krishna>silentcrew: guarda a #debian-it
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16:13<goodtime>/> uname -a && cat /etc/*release
16:13<goodtime>Linux asus-859029795 #2 Tue Jul 8 12:00:00 EDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
16:13<goodtime>cat: /etc/*release: No such file or directory
16:13<goodtime>/> cat /etc/issue
16:13<goodtime>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
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16:14<goodtime>sorry for the flood
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16:18<goodtime>nice little pc
16:18<goodtime>got a 250 hd seagate for it today
16:19<goodtime>got the 900
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16:21<chealer>!tell goodtime about enter
16:22<Stuckey>Hello, does anyone here know of an ink-jet printer (preferable networkable) that's postscript compatible?
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16:23<goodtime>yeah im orignally from another channel
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16:24<goodtime>this pc has this script that auto joins this channel
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16:24<goodtime>not a bad place
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16:33<mxldr>i just installed etch. i want to watch youtube. how do i get flash?
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16:34<dpkg>somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
16:35<mxldr>Building dependency tree... Done
16:35<mxldr>E: Couldn't find package adobe_flash
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16:35<mxldr>hey? why'd i get kicked?
16:35<christoph>hm what's the best way to debug framebuffer issues?
16:36<dpkg>from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
16:36<dpkg>methinks gnash is a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch>
16:36<kop>!tell mxldr -about paste
16:36<mxldr>oh, my bad
16:37<dcp>hey guys, does anyone know why a rebbot is taking forever since i did an "aptitude upgrade" on my remote machine?
16:37<dpkg>i heard gnash_etch is After adding a mirror for <>, aptitude install mozilla-plugin-gnash konqueror-plugin-gnash libqt3-mt=3:3.3.8b-5~bpo40+1 && x-www-browser
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16:37<mxldr>geting flash should not be this hard
16:37<kop>christoph : Dunno. Seems like a serial console would be a good place to start, but that's just me.
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16:38<christoph>kop, sounds hard
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16:38<kop>mxldr : /msg dpkg if you want factoids rather than spamming the channel.
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16:38<kop>christoph : Pretty easy, but you do need a crossover serial cable and a terminal emulator on another box.
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16:39<kop>dcp: Maybe it's fscking the drives?
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16:39<kop>mxldr: If you want the adobe version you need to enable non-free repositories in sources.list.
16:39<dcp>kop: every time?
16:39<christoph>kop, so unles my notebook mgically gets an serial port there is no way??
16:40<kop>dcp: Nope. Just once per partition every so many mounts/days.
16:41<kop>christoph : Maybe something that starts sshd so you can get in to try stuff when the console's borked. That's the goal.
16:41<christoph>kop, ok I'll add it to my todolist ;)
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16:42<kop>christoph : You might ask again later when somebody knows more than me is around.
16:42<christoph>kop, ok ;)
16:42<christoph>thanks anywa
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16:42<kop>christoph : (Starting sshd is easy. You do need to know the box's IP etc to connect.)
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16:43<christoph>kop, I'm in X now on this machine but I can't get the framebuffer working while booting up
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16:44<kop>christoph : Humm. Do the Ctrl-alt-Fn keys work to bring you to another console. Then you could go back and forth between that and ctrl-alt-f7, which is where X lives (iirc).
16:45<christoph>kop, X is fine but F1-6 only brings some noise
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16:47<kop>christoph : That's where you've problems then. You might read (iirc) kernel_parameters.txt in the kernel docs. There may be a boot parameter that will do something to fix your framebuffer issue. I don't know much about it, but it seems reasonable. Sadly, that means rebooting is involved. It's in the linux-doc-* package for your kernel version.
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16:49<christoph>kop, I'll have a look
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17:05<mxldr>i did what !flash said, and my flashplayer still doesnt work
17:05<mxldr>how do i get flash to work?
17:06<Caliban>apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
17:07<mxldr>flashplayer-mozilla is already the newest version.
17:07<mxldr>but youtube still doesnt work
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17:07<mxldr>Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
17:08<mxldr>why is flash not working?
17:09<mxldr>how do i get flash to work?
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17:09<mxldr>how did you guys watch youtube?
17:09<Caliban>humm ....
17:09<Caliban>nothing special ....
17:09<Caliban>have a DSL link ?
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17:09<mxldr>well, debian sucks. i just want to watch youtube
17:10<mxldr>and i can;t
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17:10<mxldr>pm1700:/home/mxldr# apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
17:10<mxldr>flashplayer-mozilla is already the newest version.
17:10<mxldr>but then, when i go to
17:10<mxldr>Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
17:11<mxldr>what am i doing wrong?
17:11<Caliban>mxldr, have you restarted firefox ?
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17:11<mxldr>i did ctrl-alt- backspace and restarted X
17:11<chealer>!tell mxldr about enter
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17:13<amphi_>and I was just about to tell him about the youtube mplayer script....
17:13<Caliban>hummmm ....
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17:13<Caliban>I think he just mispelled youte url ...
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17:15<angelo>hey .. is it worth going through the trouble of upgrading my EXT3 drives to EXT4?
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17:16<dr|z3d>angelo: No.
17:17<dr|z3d>angelo: If you create a partition from scratch, sure, go ext4, but converting them from ext3 is not worth the effort.
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17:22<bzed>dr|z3d: that's not true.
17:22<bzed>dr|z3d: upgrading *is* worth the work, but it won't give you all features and some will only appear for newly written data
17:22<bzed>angelo: ^
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17:22<bzed>but I'd not do that now probably
17:23<dr|z3d>bzed: Sure, in the sense that it doesn't give you all the new features, it's less than optimal.
17:23<bzed>although ext4 is supposed to be stable
17:23<bzed>dr|z3d: still better thant ext3, so it's worth the trouble.
17:24<dr|z3d>bzed: What advantages remain after you've converted?
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17:27<bzed>dr|z3d: extents,uninit_bg,dir_index
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17:28<bzed>and not to forget, a *MUCH* faster fsck
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17:30<angelo>how do I convert ext3 to ext4 ?
17:31<dr|z3d>I was reading that article before you linked to it, bzed *chuckle*
17:32<dr|z3d>angelo: Check the article bzed linked to.
17:33<angelo>ok :)
17:33<angelo>Ill look in to that
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17:33<angelo>is there a better way to share my debian folders to XP/Vista then SMB ?? it works cool but it is so damn slow :(
17:34<angelo>since I'm doing live sync over netwerk via SMB I could really use a way that is faster
17:34<bzed>angelo: replace x/vista by linux ;)
17:34<angelo>thats one option :P
17:34<angelo>no but for real ... Is there a better protocol then SMB that both OS's work with ?
17:34<bzed>angelo: there's no real other way than smb, although you could probably use nfs witht the unix extensions for windows
17:35<bzed>but I'm not sure how well nfs works
17:35<bzed>but I think they've added that
17:35<angelo>hmm ok
17:35<bzed>but I doubt they work with vista
17:35<dr|z3d>angelo: Ftp, perhaps.
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17:35<angelo>I read alot about slow smb speeds on google ... but is there any real way to speed it up ?
17:35<bzed>never had a problem with smb
17:35<bzed>it's really fast usually
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17:36<dr|z3d>smb shouldn't be slow. Quite fast when I've used it, on the Linux side at least.
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17:36<angelo>so its not a problem everyone faces ...
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17:37<bzed>dr|z3d: btw, interestingly the kernelnewbies stuff about ext4 is more uptodate than the ext4 part in the wiki, ted tso asked for help to fix that last weekend :)
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17:37<bzed>angelo: what are you syncing?
17:37<angelo>its not like sandslow ... I mean I stream movies etc over SMB that works well.. but like backuping like a few gigs is a pain in the *ss
17:37<bzed>angelo: for backup somethung like unison probably works much better
17:38<angelo>bzed my video edit workspace .. of like 2 to 300GB
17:38<angelo>the first backup session took about 2 days over SMB :P .. now its only differential so its do able
17:38<dr|z3d>angelo: Try goodsync on Windows, and either smb or ftp. You might do some tests to measure relative speeds.
17:39<angelo>goodsync ? ok
17:39<angelo>Ill look in to that
17:39<angelo>I use allwaysync now .. you know it ?
17:39<dr|z3d>No. If it does ftp, see if that works any better than smb.
17:40<angelo>tried ftp with allwaysync but it kinda fucked up .. almost lost my data because of it :P
17:40<angelo>but that was allwaysync's faulth
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17:40<angelo>oh on a sidenote... I changed to gigabit network lately and I heard it worked better if I switch to jumbo packages ...
17:40<dr|z3d>Perhaps goodsync will succedd where allwaysync failed. You can but try.
17:40<angelo>is that true ?
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17:45<bzed>angelo: unison will probably fast, too. or use rsync or similar tools from cygwin :)
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17:49<NickMindXPBOX>what dhcp client software is use most on debian?
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17:51<bzed>NickMindXPBOX: I guess dhcp3-client
17:53<steffan>what's the best uptime monitor? something that will e-mail me if the server isn't responding (or other signs that it is down)?
17:53<steffan>are there free services that monitor it remotely?
17:54<EmleyMoor>nocol is good if you've a box or two to run it on
17:54<steffan>i have one server, which is the one i want to monitor.
17:54<EmleyMoor>Oh - no good then
17:54<tomas>Even is there weren't such things, you can allways write a short bash script for this.
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17:55<steffan>but would it be pointless running it on the machine i want to monitor?
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17:56<billybigrigger>how come alt-f2 does run a program in gnome?
17:56<tomas>That depends.. I you want to monitor the state (up/down), then yes, it would be pointles.
17:56<billybigrigger>isnt that something built into gnome or is that is built into Ubuntu?
17:57<steffan>tomas: do you know if there is software to monitor the status of a IRCd? (instead of the whole server)
17:57<EmleyMoor>If you've seen it do something in Ubuntu, maybhe it is
17:57<EmleyMoor>What do you expect it to do?
17:58<billybigrigger>who me?
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17:58<tomas>steffan : Sorry, never had IRCd running on my machine..
17:58<billybigrigger>im just used to hitting alt-f2 to run a program, instead of going to a terminal and using up a term to run a program
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17:58<EmleyMoor>Works on mine
18:00<tomas>steffan : If there is a process running, you can check if the process exists..
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18:00<NickMindXPBOX>bzed: is this dhclient3 ?
18:01<billybigrigger>well onto another question...i just installed a new 500gb sata drive that im wanting to use for storage...i loaded up gparted and partitioned it now im sitting in fstab....will the default options be good enough for this drive?
18:01<EmleyMoor>billybigrigger: More than likely yes
18:01<billybigrigger>i see my / partition has errors=remount-ro this necessary for a storage drive?
18:01<EmleyMoor>billybigrigger: No - only / needs that
18:02<billybigrigger>k thats what i though
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18:03<bzed>NickMindXPBOX: yes
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18:04<NickMindXPBOX>bzed: i that how you would release and renew an IP address? or is there a better why?
18:04<NickMindXPBOX>thanks for your help.
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18:05<billybigrigger>k now if i want to make this storage drive accessible by ftp would it be wiser to leave the owner root or change to my user and make it 777???
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18:05<billybigrigger>probably 777 as my user right?
18:05<billybigrigger>but i guess it wouldnt matter the owner if its 777
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18:06<EmleyMoor>775 as the ftp server user/group, I'd suggest
18:06<tomas>777 sounds not good. Definitely not for regular files.
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18:11<billybigrigger>k 1 more q hehe
18:11<billybigrigger>if i make a system symlink, if all permissions are set correctly, will that symlink work with proftpd/filezilla client
18:11<billybigrigger>as in, if i make a symlink in the ftp users home dir to /media/storage will it follow it correctly?
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18:15<tomas>billybigrigger : I think you do not need to worry about clients. You worry about the server. I'm not quite sure (you better try it using the symlink), but i saw using "mount --bind" for this.
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18:17<tomas>^^ Great unix time 1234567890 in ~15 minutes
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18:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 362] by debhelper
18:19*EmleyMoor is keeping an eye on the time
18:19<Rydekull>Friend of mine created a small ooneliner, :-)
18:19<Rydekull>So im watching that :-P
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18:23<tomas>Rydekull : That bash script is cool 8-)
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18:23<Rydekull>tomas: Yeah, I liked it
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18:25<tomas>Rydekull : I think I will make a screenshot in that second to make it a lasting memory..
18:25<Rydekull>tomas: Something worth showing your grandchildren
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18:26<tomas>Rydekull : Yup. I missed 10000000000, though :-/
18:26<Rydekull>tomas: aww
18:27<tomas>Rydekull : 1234567890 is probably the last "nice" number there will be before the great overflow :-P
18:28<Rydekull>hrm, yeah, sounds about right
18:28<tomas>*the end of the world, I mean.. ^^
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18:29<tomas>That second will be the best of all I think
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18:30<mirani>hi! ive got two machines connected in a cable modem shared network through a windows machine... the first one is an ubuntu box, and works well with an static IP, the second one is a debian box that i dont manage to connect... is there an easy way to configure this debian box using the ubuntu box as reference? eg. just copying configuration files... ?
18:31<mirani>i tried to apply the same /etc/network/interfaces with no success
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18:31<Rydekull>tomas: happy epoch ;-)
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18:32<mixter>happy epoch everybody!
18:32<tomas>HAPPY EPOCH!
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18:32<dondelelcaro>mixter: you'd have to change the ip address, of course, but otherwise the same configuration should work
18:33<mirani>kurumin, so ingles nesse canal velho
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18:33<mirani>dondelelcaro, yes, but it didnt worked
18:34<LightKnight>happy 1234567890 and happy lenny everybody :-)
18:34<dondelelcaro>mirani: then you'll have to give us more details; what's the output of ip addr; ip route; cat /etc/resolv.conf; and what the ip address on the windows machine is
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18:34<mirani>dondelelcaro, ok... wait some
18:34<tomas>Must say, 1234567890 was quite a good second :-P
18:35<Rydekull>tomas: checked out :-P
18:37<tomas>Rydekull : :-) Nice..
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18:37<mirani>dondelelcaro, well... ive got nothing in resolv.conf
18:38<ranix>happy 1234567890
18:38<dondelelcaro>mirani: so there's your first problem
18:39<mirani>dondelelcaro, ill try to copy it
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18:42<tomas>So, with 1234567890 gone, all that's left is wating for the doomsday.
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18:42<tomas>Happy epoch everybody and cya some other time.
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18:49<billybigrigger>i made a symlink in my ftp dir to /media/storage....i can see this symlink, and it works on my system...takes me to my storage drive /media/ when i ssh into my box...the symlink works, and i can create dirs and files blah blah
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18:50<billybigrigger>when it comes to ftp...i get CWD Storage then 550 Storage: No such file or directory
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18:50<billybigrigger>which is wierd cause it does exist...and they all use my system user
18:50<billybigrigger>ftp/ssh both the same user
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18:51<billybigrigger>so is that a problem with filezilla ftp client or is there something wrong in my proftpd.conf?
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18:53<putchi>can anyone show me where I can enable the status messages on kopete? I can't seem to find the option...
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18:57<d3co>jre troubles!!
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19:00<x_>hey how to i do i=$i +1 in unix
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19:00<x_>i kno this isnt tha right channel but i dont know where to ask such a stupid question
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19:01<ModestUser>x_: i=$((i+1))
19:02<ModestUser>x_: ask in #bash
19:02<x_>yea i just found that channel right as soon as u said that
19:02<x_>but thxs
19:03<goodger_>happy lenny day!
19:03<steffan>friday the 13 is over atlast, Day changed to 14 Feb 2009.
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19:07<billybigrigger>friday the 13th is still goin strong for me! was a lucky day for me strangely enough
19:08<InkBottle>Hi, what information does one have to provide to inform a bug report?
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19:08<InkBottle>the simple version
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19:08<billybigrigger>got my ID card i've been waitin for, tittay club here i come! haha
19:09<steffan>!tell InkBottle about bug report
19:09<steffan>InkBottle: see the message from dpkg.
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19:10<steffan>billybigrigger: that is a legal ID card right?
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19:10<steffan>and friday 13th wasn't too bad for me either.
19:10<billybigrigger>steffan, it taken away from me for a DUI
19:10<steffan>billybigrigger: i see.
19:10<billybigrigger>and the court squashed on of my tickets worth 2500, so instead of paying the $5500 i was supposed to today i only paid $2800 haha was an awesome day for me
19:11<billybigrigger>time to celebrate haha, and now i have ID w00t!
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19:12<InkBottle>steffan: all right
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19:14<steffan>InkBottle: that should provide you with everything you need to include.
19:14<putchi>billybigrigger: I lost all my documents. Identity card, driver's licence, bus fare card...
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19:15<putchi>Lost my wallet somewhere between the bus and a street 5 min away from the bus stop
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19:15<billybigrigger>any money lost
19:15<goodger_>putchi: your passport was in your wallet?
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19:16<putchi>I don't have one
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19:16<putchi>I'm European, and I haven't travelled outside Europe yet
19:16<putchi>and no, fortunately no money was lost
19:16<goodger_>ah, yes
19:16<billybigrigger>im takin a few weeks off here in may to check out europe
19:16<billybigrigger>putchi, you heard anything good about Contiki?
19:16<goodger_>the civilized countries across the english channel have got rid of their passport control
19:17<putchi>Contiki? what's that?
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19:17<billybigrigger>travel agency here in canada
19:17<billybigrigger>they have a bunch of resorts all over europe
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19:17<putchi>No, I haven't seen one yet :S
19:18<billybigrigger>taking a 22 day trip, london, to paris, some other places in france, venice, rome munich, amsterdam
19:18<goodger_>billybigrigger: going to a travel agency's resort does not qualify as checking out europe
19:18<putchi>Stop by Portugal too
19:18<billybigrigger>prauge and back to london
19:18<putchi>it's a great country to visit
19:18<billybigrigger>goodger_, no, then after that contiki trip im stayin in europe for 2 weeks to back and check out the things i want to see
19:18<putchi>it's a few hours by plane from france
19:19<goodger_>billybigrigger: better.
19:19<billybigrigger>and only some places have resorts, the rest you stay in hostels
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19:20<x_>hey i want to grep a file for a word and when found print that line and the line above it? wat are the parameters i need to pass to grep?
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19:20<x_>i kno it sould be in bash but no one is responding their
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19:25<dee25>can somebody help me with the resolution
19:25<adama>x_: check the manpage
19:26<dee25>i have a dell intel 82865G
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19:26<dee25>and im stuck at 800x600
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19:27<adama>dee25: is your desired resolution listed in the output of "xrandr"?
19:27<dee25>when i type that in
19:27<dee25>it shows the default 800x600 and 600x480
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19:28<adama>dee25: you didn't answer my question
19:28<dee25>i just answer ur question
19:29<dee25>my desired is not listed
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19:29<dee25>just those 2
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19:30<phish>What line would I write in visudo to just set up a non-root user? every time i try to run a program i get warnings like "WARNING!!! You are running an irc server as ROOT!"?
19:30<adama>it says maximum 800x600?
19:30<dee25>yea max
19:30<phish>i know how to do adduser as well.. but maybe is there a way to restrict permission through adduser? or is it all done in visudo?
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19:31<billybigrigger>dee25, how bout adding your max resolution in xorg.conf?
19:31<dee25>was trying but idk how to mess with that
19:31<billybigrigger>dee25, i had to do that to an old p4 with onbarod i845 last week
19:32<dee25>ooo yeaaa
19:32<goodger_>phish: simply do not run the IRC server with sudo?
19:32<billybigrigger>dee25, nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
19:32<billybigrigger>go down the section where it says screen
19:32<billybigrigger>phone br
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19:34<goodger_>phish: do not PM without permission
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19:34<billybigrigger>dee25, k lemme dig up that old xorg.conf
19:35<phish>goodger.. how do i write to you then?
19:35<phish>your writing comes up in red
19:35<dee25>ok i see screen
19:35<goodger_>in the channel
19:35<phish>oh well how did you emphasize to me
19:35<kabotage>hi, i got this "Could not generate a backtrace as the debugger 'gdb' was not found."
19:35<phish>does everyone see that text?
19:35<goodger_>it's red because your client is highlighting messages with your nick
19:35<billybigrigger>dee25, ok hold on
19:35<phish>oh okay.. i thought it was a private message. i'm using xchat.. was confused. sorry.
19:35<billybigrigger>dee im going to msg you here
19:36<kabotage>do i need to install gdb to get a backtrace?
19:36<phish>ahh thanks... that makes a lot more sense. haha
19:36<goodger_>re: your permissions errors when running the server as a normal user: investigate what group to add it to in order to access the files in question (probably ircd or something)
19:36<phish>are there pre-defined groups i can add users to?
19:36<phish>like is "www" a group or something..
19:37<goodger_>you need to find that out
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19:37<phish>okay, thanks that helps a ton. thought i was custom naming groups in sudo file.
19:37<billybigrigger>dee25, did you get my message?
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19:38<dee25>u said hold on
19:38<billybigrigger>i sent you a private message though
19:38<dee25>oo didnt notice lol
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19:54<billybigrigger>dee25, i gotta run
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19:57<Ikarus>anyone know the name of the default metacity theme
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19:57<fabiosarts>i'm not T.T
19:57<InkBottle>would this be all right for a bug report:
19:58<dondelelcaro>InkBottle: your bug is actually in the plugin
19:59<dondelelcaro>InkBottle: since that's software for which we do not have the code, there's not much that can be done
19:59<fabiosarts>any debian based distro that i can use on my 233 mhz laptop?
19:59<dondelelcaro>fabiosarts: Debian itself will run on that
19:59<InkBottle>dondelelcaro: thank you, you helped me :)
19:59<InkBottle>something I don't have to do
20:00<dondelelcaro>InkBottle: but that said, feel free to file the bug against flashplugin-nonfree, but it's not going to result in much of anything, since we can't actually fix the problem.
20:00<fabiosarts>it didn't run on mine :S
20:00<fabiosarts>i use lenny
20:00<dondelelcaro>fabiosarts: what's the problem with it running?
20:00<InkBottle>dondelelcaro: It works fine with iceweassel
20:00<fabiosarts>hmmmm, there's a step where the computer freezes
20:01<dondelelcaro>fabiosarts: you may need to use noacpi or similar to work around broken acpi implementations
20:01<fabiosarts>on the installer, i can't remember which is
20:01<InkBottle>dondelelcaro: can "we" fix the problem, concerning midori: meke it not to crash, eventually using another flash player?
20:01<dondelelcaro>InkBottle: you can try using gnash instead
20:01<dondelelcaro>(or possibly swfdec, or whatever is in use now)
20:01<fabiosarts>oh, i've the acpi problem, how did you think that would affect the installation?
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20:02<dondelelcaro>fabiosarts: if you aren't starting with noacpi and the other options recommended by the installer, you could easily see random hangs like you're seeing
20:02<InkBottle>dondelelcaro: there is something swfdec. what do you think of it, compared with gnash?
20:02<fabiosarts>ohhh, thanks
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20:02<dondelelcaro>InkBottle: don't really know; they're both constantly getting better. Try both and see what you think
20:02<dondelelcaro>I personally avoid flash
20:03<fabiosarts>another problem about my soundcard, it didn't work, it shows me a weird error when i boot this distro
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20:03<fabiosarts>i'll check my syslog and paste these errors here :)
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20:04<InkBottle>dondelelcaro: thanks
20:04<iobound>is it possible to do an etch->lenny upgrade in small steps? i.e. first apt, libc, then perhaps the shells, then bind, etc.
20:04<iobound>i was thinking of upgrading my nslu2 but i don't want to wait forever while everything runs in one go
20:04<dondelelcaro>iobound: in theory, but you almost certainly don't want to do that
20:04<iobound>with the downtime that would imply
20:05<iobound>dondelelcaro: why not?
20:05<dondelelcaro>iobound: driving it manually and figuring out the discrete steps is a huge pain
20:05<snogglethorpe>InkBottle: i think at the currentime, swfdec seems to work with youtube, whereas gnash doesn't
20:05<dondelelcaro>iobound: the machine should still be able to serve requests even while it's being upgraded
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20:05<dondelelcaro>for youtube, I suggest youtube-dl
20:05<snogglethorpe>InkBottle: i tend to check every 3-4 months :-)
20:06<iobound>dondelelcaro: you know typically bind and postfix etc are shutdown early during upgrade and isn't started until near the very end
20:06<dondelelcaro>iobound: yes, but you can immediately restart them
20:06<iobound>also i think the 32mb in the nslu2 might make a huge apt upgrade tax the system as it is
20:06<snogglethorpe>InkBottle: swfdec basically seems to do youtube perfectly, but eats more cpu than flashplugin-nonfree (I guess it's currently not accelerated)
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20:07<dondelelcaro>iobound: that part won't be bad if you only expose a small subset of packages to the slug
20:07<iobound>what do yo umean expose
20:07<dondelelcaro>as in prepare a mirror which only has the packages you plan to have installed and their dependencies on it
20:08<dondelelcaro>the reason why so much memory is needed during upgrades is because calculating the dependency graph takes a relatively large amount of memory
20:08<iobound>you mean, roll my own "release" thing? to limit the # available packages
20:08<dondelelcaro>just roll your own mirror, actually
20:08<iobound>sounds difficult :) but thanks for the idea
20:08<InkBottle>snogglethorpe: how would you install it to work with midori?
20:08<iobound>also i guess i would need to manually figure out all dependencies anyway then
20:09<iobound>maybe it would be easier to just reinstall, i'd love to get on the EABI train
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20:10<InkBottle>snogglethorpe: does it worth to install the sid version instead of the lenny one (0.8 vs 0.6)?
20:10<iobound>also is there a web page that details how the release is going right now
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20:17<InkBottle>should I remove flash-mozilla in order to midori to use swfdec: how to make it use swfdec?
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20:19<chealer>InkBottle: # update-alternatives --config
20:19<pjj>anything known when the 5.0 cd's will be downloadable? :)
20:19<nmd202>i guess i'm trying to create a script to export a proxy setting when run.
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20:20<fabiosarts>that's my problem T.T
20:20<InkBottle>chealer: thanks
20:20<nmd202>all i have is one line 'export http_proxy="<url_to_proxy>:<proxy_port>'
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20:21<nmd202>that is all the file contains
20:21<nmd202>am i missing something
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20:21<angelo>is it wise to use samba4 for general use already ?
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20:23<fabiosarts>dondelelcaro: do you speak spanish? (is only to know)
20:24<dondelelcaro>fabiosarts: nope
20:24<dondelelcaro>(well, only a little)
20:24<fabiosarts>ohh, ok, thanks :)
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20:25<nmd202>oh, and how do i go about making a change to bash permanent?
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20:25<path_>editing your .bashrc
20:25<mxldr>how do i change the background color in emacs?
20:26<mxldr>or make it transparent?
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20:26<path_>er doing it increases your *skills* ?
20:27<InkBottle>withe swfdec 0.6 it doesn't "really" play the videos, but it doesn't crash :)
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20:28<path_>fabiosarts, tried different kernel / alsa-drivers?
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20:29<fabiosarts>i didn't tested compiling alsa
20:29<path_>well there you have m-a
20:30<mxldr>how do i change my emacs background color?
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20:31<ohDamn>how do i change my emacs background color?
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20:31<InkBottle>can you tell me what the "+" stands for?
20:32<adama>what would you say are my chances of successfully installing a DVD-RW on IDE while the machine is on, without it crashing? zero?
20:32<rpetre>close to zero
20:33<rpetre>especially if you have another hdd on the same controller
20:33<rpetre>removing an ide device is less risky
20:33<adama>I could take the existing CD-rw off the cable
20:33<path_>ohDamn, tried google? :-)
20:33<adama>and put in the dvd-rw
20:33<rpetre>but adding one is russian roulette
20:34<rpetre>it really messes up ide signaling and stuff
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20:34<rpetre>if you really don't care about the hardware inside that machine you can try and satisfy your curiosity
20:34<adama>rats... I just don't want to log off... I have somethinglike 60 windows open
20:34<rpetre>but i'd strongly recommend a power off
20:35<path_>you see how google works ? ;)
20:35<rpetre>adama: suspend2disk ?
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20:35<InkBottle>dondelelcaro: what about that? the same seg fault
20:35<snogglethorpe>InkBottle: dunno about midori, but you really need 0.8 of swfdec to see youtube
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20:36<InkBottle>snogglethorpe: till now I see nothing
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20:36<rpetre>anyway, any word yet about lenny being really-really released today? :)
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20:36<pjj>would like to know that aswell
20:37<rpetre>things are awfully quiet, smells like a nice surprise in the making :)
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20:39<rpetre>shouldn't the rc-bugs graph drop to zero before release, though?
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20:39<snogglethorpe>InkBottle: dunno; you might try running iceweasel to verify that swfdec is working
20:39<snogglethorpe>InkBottle: if so, then you know it's a prob with midori
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20:53<InkBottle>Midori bug report again:
20:53<InkBottle>what is the severity?
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20:55<maquina4>hola que tal
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20:56<InkBottle>where/how do I say it's a normal bug?
20:56<maquina4>hola yo hablo español
20:56<maquina4>alguien que hable español
20:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:57<InkBottle>I found
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21:05<phish>hi is there a firewall on debian by default? i'm trying to set up an IRC server and having trouble even with port forwarding set up.
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21:07<lucas_amorim>Hi folks, how about Lenny release? any delays? Will it be saturday as announced?
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21:07<newsense>lucas_amorim: i believe it's still a saturday release date
21:08<newsense>i track testing so it'll be about 2 weeks for me to get any updates
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21:12<phish>does anyone know if there is firewall built into debian?
21:12<lucas_amorim>Do you know how can I share my 3G connection (which comes from my usb HSDPA modem) through my laptop's wifi card? I have installed dnsmasq and then went on NetworkManager where I clcicked on create new wireless network, set its name, no encryption and then clicked ok. I seems to have tried to create a connection for a while, but then disconnects
21:12<lucas_amorim>any Ideas?
21:13<lucas_amorim>newsense: I have been using since its release as testing, I have decided to stick with it for one more year since its fits my needs for now. :)
21:13<nmd202>phish: IPTABLES, guarddog, firestarter
21:15<phish>nmd202: are any of those enabled by default?
21:16<nmd202>IPTABLES is the underlying firewall setup on a linux system. guarddog and firestarter are front-ends for configuring IPTABLES rulesets
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21:16<mikegrb>itym 'iptables'
21:16<nmd202>creating IPTABLES rules is a whole subject you could study
21:17<nmd202>or you could just install firestarter or guarddog or any other front-end
21:17<phish>i have a feeling that the firewall is blocking outside traffic for the ircd i have installed. how would i just make that one rule change?
21:17<nmd202>and have a nice gui interface to help you set up your firewall
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21:17<phish>oh okay that might work. i could try that.
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21:18<phish>apt-get firestarter?
21:18<nmd202>is this a default install or have you changed anything relating to firewall/network config?
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21:18<nmd202>apt-get install firestarter
21:18<phish>default install
21:18<nmd202>then i don't think it would be the firewall
21:18<nmd202>by default, no traffic is blocked to your system
21:19<phish>i can connect with local ip address 192.168.1.x but not the WAN ip
21:19<nmd202>does your router have a built in firewall?
21:19<phish>port forwarding is set up.. can't figure out how to isolate this problem
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21:19<phish>yes it does
21:19<nmd202>and you forwarded through it?
21:20<phish>see i had it running on the same network using a windows machine, with port forwarding set up. now with debian it won't work.
21:20<nmd202>id the ircd on the debian machine or are you trying to connect to it with the debian machine?
21:21<phish>yes the ircd is on the debian machine now, i stopped the windows version of it.
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21:21<nmd202>did you change the config in your router to forward to the debian 'version' of the ircd?
21:21<phish>and i can connect to debian ircd with xchat using 192.168.1.x but not the true IP
21:22<nmd202>does the port appear open on the true ip?
21:22<nmd202>can you telnet to it?
21:22<phish>yeah.. the ahh.. windows machine was and the debian machine is
21:22<phish>so made exact same rules for both
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21:23<nmd202>what rules did you make?
21:23<phish>maybe i should remove IRC port forwarding for the first machine. i dunno... makes no sense.
21:23<nmd202>cant you either forward to one or the other?
21:23<nmd202>not both?
21:24<phish>IRC - TCP Any -> 113
21:24<phish> TCP Any -> 194
21:24<phish> TCP Any -> 1024-1034
21:24<phish> TCP Any -> 6661-7000
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21:25<phish>oops.. sorry about that
21:25<nmd202>yeah. dunno what that means
21:25<kop>!tell phish -about paste
21:25<nmd202>try removing the one for the windows machine
21:25<phish>yeah ill give that a try
21:25<nmd202>sounds like the connection is not getting through the router
21:25<nmd202>*past the router
21:26<kop>nmd202 : I think you've got it. There's only 1 ip on the router and so only 1 ip/port combination for the entire local network when it comes to fowarding.
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21:28<nmd202>phish: unless you specified two different ports to be forwarded. one to the windows machine and one to the debian box
21:28<phish>nmd202: that worked
21:28<nmd202>cool. i had no idea what i was talking about
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21:29<phish>it ahh... was picking up the first port forward rule specifed (windows machine) and ignoring the second to the other machine on the network.
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21:30<phish>that makes sense, i have one ip address.. the traffic should only be routed to one machine. not both. Thanks man
21:30<nmd202>yeah. you could always use two different ports, one for each machine. but be sure to tell ppl that
21:30<phish>oh no kidding, i didn't even think of that.
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21:31<phish>is there a server version of debian?
21:31<advogado>tc de onde?
21:31<phish>i can't remember if i installed a desktop version or if that was just ubuntu im thinking of..
21:31<advogado>tc de onde?
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21:32<phish>ill google it.. haha i'm happy i got the ircd up.
21:32<nmd202>you can always install the components you want at any time. apache, ssh, ftp, whatever
21:32<nmd202>just use aptitude
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21:43<phish>is there a server version of debian?
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21:43<phish>or only one version? i can't remember what i'm running.. or how i got a GUI on this.
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21:46<superjet_busy>phish: cat /etc/issue
21:47<duraperidol>phish: there is no such thing as a "server version"
21:47<phish>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0
21:47<duraperidol>because the only difference between a desktop and a server
21:48<duraperidol>is really the intent, and what programs you do (or don't) have installed
21:48<phish>oh okay.. people are telling me i shouldn't be running a GUI if i am setting up an ircd
21:48<phish>and i can't even remember if i chose to install gnome or how i got to it
21:48<duraperidol>that is because a gui uses a hefty chunk of yer ram and cpu cycles
21:48<duraperidol>and if you are using a heavy ircd like unrealircd + anope
21:48<superjet_busy>phish: stick to stable in sources.list will make it always a "server version"
21:49<duraperidol>that will be quite intensive.
21:49<phish>so how do you go with out the gui, just do fresh install?
21:49<duraperidol>well, i personally use debian testing "lenny"
21:49<duraperidol>no no, you can uninstall the gui
21:49<duraperidol>or, you can have it so that you can start it in cli (black screen )
21:50<duraperidol>and type a command "startx" when you want to switch between black screen and gui.
21:50<duraperidol>i run my own ircds, i might be able to help :-)
21:50<phish>how would you set up the startx command
21:51<phish>oh sweet :)
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21:51<phish>just trying to start my very first one and want to do it right
21:52<phish>i'm guessing i have to modify a config file to stop it from loading GUI and go straight to CLI.
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21:53<blarson>!tell phish about wm
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21:56<superjet_busy>will lenny release on time this time?
21:57<dpkg>i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release (5.0, currently also known as "testing"). Lenny will be released real soon now.... To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. See also <wwlr> <testing> and <lenny status>.
21:58<kop>phish : In my opinon the best thing to do is let the gui be there and just don't use it. Ctrl-Alt-Fn for n=1 to 5 will get you a command line. Then, assuming you have enough swap space, the gui will just swap out and not be used until you do ctrl-alt-f7. OTOH, if you _never use the gui then just un-install it until you need it.
22:00<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
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22:00<simonrvn>phish: ^^^
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22:01<kop>superjet_busy : You mean will it release in the middle of 2008? No.
22:01<phish>For ctl-alt-fn what is fn?
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22:01<kop>phish : The function keys across the top of the keyboard.
22:03<kop>simonrvn : Someday I'll learn how to search the dpkg factoids.... I never seem to remember them.
22:04<simonrvn>i just got a decent memory ;p
22:04<kop>simonrvn : I've just got a decadent memory. What's a few little letters here or there? ;-)
22:06<phish>kop: thank you, that works great.
22:07<superjet_busy>kop: no, just 2.14
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22:08<kop>!tell superjet_busy -about wwlr
22:09<kop>phish : The grounding docs may be useful.
22:09<kop>!tell phish -about grounding
22:11<superjet_busy>kop: great, it seems lenny will be on time :)
22:11<nmd202>what's on time?
22:11<nmd202>days weeks?
22:13<kop>nmd202 : But, seems to me, it could take a couple of days to get to all the mirrors.
22:13<nmd202>that page makes no sense
22:15<kop>nmd202 : I take it to mean they start the release process at 12:00 UTC.
22:15<nmd202>what? today?
22:15<kop>Feb 14.
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22:16<nmd202>holy crappers batman. i've been spending too much time in the batcave.
22:16<nmd202>what else have i missed?
22:16<kop>nmd202 : Uh, Cuba has a state sponsored version of Gentoo?
22:17<nmd202>i can finally upgrade to ff3
22:18<nmd202>and get some other toys i've been waiting for
22:18<kop>nmd202 : Me too. Maybe I'll get to watch youtube too.
22:18<nmd202>i can watch it now
22:18<nmd202>what are you doing wrong
22:19<kop>nmd202 : Not trying? I think my hardware's not up to the job. I've got a thin client, and old PIII (?) with no fan, with a 10Base-T nic. I'll at least need to upgrade the nick to get the bandwidth for video.
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22:20<kop>nmd202 : And I don't know if I've got sound across the network either. Frankly, I don't ever want web sound and video. I don't need the ads.
22:21<nmd202>i was just thinking about all those pcs in university labs and libraries and such. do you think they are all thin-clients? or they all have a OS on there somewhere?
22:21<nmd202>i'm happy with adblockplus.
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22:22<kop>nmd202 : I bet there's an OS in there. Although there may be some nfs mounts, sometimes.
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22:32<nmd202>so, i'm running aptitude upgrade and it's grabbing alot of packages from backports. is that ok?
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22:34<kop>nmd202 : Fine, until you move to lenny. In that case better read the release notes. They have something to say, but I forget exactly what.
22:34<nmd202>the release notes for lenny?
22:35<kop>nmd202 : Yes. I read the pre-release version. I forget where. Probably dpkg knows.
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22:35<nmd202>can't imagine anything that would keep me from upgrading
22:36<kop>nmd202 : No. But there was something in the upgrade procedure regarding backports.
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22:36<kop>nmd202 : I also recall something about backports becoming offical. I don't know if that's really happening. Sorry for being vague. I'm tired.
22:36<nmd202>i'll just remove them from my sources.list for now
22:36<nmd202>i need to read it
22:37<nmd202>if i can find it
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22:37<kop>dpkg: lenny release notes
22:37<dpkg>Latest draft release notes at . See also, or
22:38<kop>nmd202 : With luck, soon they will be easy to find.
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22:39<Astero1D>how do I connect to a remote computer using ssh from my terminal?
22:39<dondelelcaro>Astero1D: man ssh; briefly, ssh foomachine;
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22:40<Astero1D>I need to transfer a folder from one system to another
22:41<Astero1D>it does not seem like there is a ssh daemon on other system though
22:41<Astero1D>What could I do? what are my options? (there is vnc server running though)
22:41<dondelelcaro>Astero1D: so use scp or rsync or tar over ssh, or whatever. If there isn't an ssh daemon on the other machine, you can't use ssh to connect.
22:42<Astero1D>dondelelcaro, how can I check/install a ssh daemon?
22:42<Astero1D>check if there is one
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22:43<dondelelcaro>Astero1D: aptitude install openssh-server
22:46<Astero1D>dondelelcaro, once it's installed it will run automatically?
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22:53<k1lumin4t1_>does anybody know how to write upside-down?
22:53<dee25>i cant change my resolution i have a dell intel 82865g
22:54<dee25>montior E153FP
22:54<dee25>and im stuck at 800x600 and 600x480 i have ubuntu 8.10
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22:55<k1lumin4t1_>dee25, this is not #ubuntu, but you could try installing and configuring 915resolution
22:55<dee25>alright if i get it would i do?
22:55<dee25>how u install it?
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23:01<ghee>hey guys i'm having compiz issues. would love to get back to kde in sid, but "kwin --replace & killall compiz compiz.real" isn't doing the trick...
23:02<ghee>any ideas?
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23:14<dee25>i dl the 915resolution from the site how u run it?
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23:31<blur>Is there any set time for lenny's release tomorrow?
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23:34<Gatton>update your sources.list now. beat the rush ;-)
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23:35<blur>i'm waiting for an iso, i had a system wigout and am using an ubuntu live CD until lenny
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23:35<Gatton>good point. wonder when the isos will show up
23:36<Astero1D>I was looking for a nice picture managment tool and found picasa for linux. Is there any other ones that are known and you'd recommend?
23:36<AbsintheSyringe>Astero1D: digikam?
23:37<blur>Hopefully soon. So many little things about ubuntu that I hate...but it feels a lot like i think i could almost stay with it.
23:37<Gatton>seems like F-spot is popular. i ahven't used it though
23:37<Astero1D>AbsintheSyringe, is that what you use?
23:37<AbsintheSyringe>Astero1D: yeh
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23:38<Gatton>blur what do you hate about ubuntu? personally i always felt it was bloated
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23:40<Astero1D>I switched from linux from windows yesterday. I tried ubuntu and didnt think there were any reasons why I should run Ubuntu and Not Debian. Debian rocks. It's stable.
23:40<blur>well, (and someone tell us to shut up if we're getting too far off topic), oversimplified installer with few options, the goofy way it handles root it always has some goofy issue with my laptop when debian doesnt
23:41<Astero1D>yeah, screw sudo, go root!
23:41<Gatton>i see. well i always run sudo passed root first thing heh
23:41<Gatton>if i screw up my machine well then it's my fault
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23:42<blur>i mean, i'm not a power user, don't need to touch root account much, aside from updates and initial setup...but it just bothers me.
23:42<Astero1D>any of you guys use picasa?
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23:43<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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23:55<dee25>cant change resolution im stuck at 800x600
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23:58<Guest1264>do you have propriatery drivers
23:58<goodtime>change the font
23:59<goodtime>are you useing unbuntu
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