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---Logopened Sat Feb 14 00:00:11 2009
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00:00<dee25>should propiratey drivers
00:00<dee25>be checked or unchecked?
00:01<dee25>o aighht
00:01<Guest1264>test, can you read thsi?
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00:01<Guest1264>dang it
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00:02<Guest1264>could you help me, i'm trying to chat on an irc channel but noone can read it.
00:02<goodtime>what channel
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00:04<Supaplex>goodtime: how could goodtime reply if he didn't know you were asking it? hahaha.
00:04<Guest1264>what? i'm confused, could you sleep more slowly
00:05<Guest1264>speek more slowly
00:05<Supaplex>you are a troll
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00:34<fibonacci>Hello, I am trying to install nvidia proprietary drivers, but I am unable to change xorg.config because I am not root.. although I am logged in as root.
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00:36<fibonacci>So I am stuck at that point where I need to edit xorg.config
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00:39<Dargor>fibonacci, how did you manage that.
00:40<Dargor>what editor are you using
00:40<fibonacci>No editor, I just opened the file itself.
00:40<fibonacci>I followed guide for installing nvidia drivers from here
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00:41<fibonacci>If you check out that guide, I am exactly on part 2. Everything before that went smooth.
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00:42<Dargor>so are you using nano. Did you type "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
00:42<fibonacci>Not yet. Because the guy says I should open xorg.config, and change that Device section.
00:43<Dargor>from your root login, do that. then you can edit the file.
00:44<fibonacci>Alright, I'll start terminal now.
00:44<Hideo>fibonacci: how exactly did you "open" the file?
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00:44<fibonacci>First I loddeg as a root, then just clicked twice on the file. And it opened.
00:45<fibonacci>In terminal after I type "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf", I just Save it and Exit, or there I actually change this section?
00:45<fibonacci>Kinda confusing guys :)
00:46<Hideo>fibonacci: what I think happened is, you logged into X, with a user account, and opened the file
00:46<Hideo>fibonacci: you needen't do that at all, you were following the guide very literally
00:47<fibonacci>Yes, till part 2.
00:47<Hideo>fibonacci: all you needed to do were, in the terminal, _open_ the file with nano
00:47<fibonacci>Ok, I will go and do that.
00:48<fibonacci>I always check if I am logged as root or no, with command 'whoami'.. and it was saying 'root'.
00:48<fibonacci>But I will try again.
00:48<fibonacci>Once I open with nano.. do I change that Device Section as guide says, and then save and exit?
00:48<Hideo>fibonacci: you are logged in as root, in the terminal, but not graphically
00:48<Hideo>fibonacci: you have a GUI running right?
00:48<fibonacci>Yes. :)
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00:49<Hideo>fibonacci: as in a windows manager
00:49<fibonacci>Yes, of course. I am not that good with console :)
00:49<Hideo>fibonacci: bingo... that's why you should do it in the console, because, in the wm, you are logged in as a regular user
00:50<Hideo>fibonacci: b/c if you double click to open a file in the wm, you are exercising that as a regular user
00:50<fibonacci>Great so I go in terminal log in as root, run "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf", change Device section, Save, and Exit?
00:51<fibonacci>Well Hideo thats good to know, I thought if I log in as root, I am root everywhere.. :)
00:51<fibonacci>Ok then brb
00:51<Hideo>fibonacci: no... it wouldn't be wise to be totally logged in as root, especially on IRC ;)
00:53<fibonacci>hehe, ok.
00:53<fibonacci>Well here is what I got.
00:53<fibonacci>There is no text :S
00:54<Hideo>did you type nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root?
00:55<Supaplex>!start an editor war
00:55<dpkg>vim users need to get out more often
00:55<gsimmons>fibonacci: /etc/x11/xorg.conf != /etc/X11/xorg.conf
00:56<Hideo>gsimmons: ahhhh...
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00:56<fibonacci>Ok, I'll write capital X
00:56<Hideo>gsimmons: I'm glad you caught that :)
00:56<Supaplex>yeah. or we'll get on your CaSe.
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00:56<Supaplex>well, the filesystem will. :P
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00:57<fibonacci>Yea now its better :)
00:57<fibonacci>I'll just change this Device section now then.
00:58<Hideo>actually should have followed chealer's advice at the bottom of that page but meh...
00:59<fibonacci>Done, will restart.. but to answer your question.
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01:00<fibonacci>I was thinking which one, and this one looked simplier. So I took it. Becuase its first time I got Debian.
01:00<fibonacci>So I was looking for something that is more simple on the first sight.
01:01<fibonacci>Will restart gdm and come back to report results.
01:01<Hideo>alright, gl
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01:01<leo__>I'm trying to install vmware player and it asks me to specify where is the make program, what path should I give it? where is make on debian Lenny?
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01:02<Supaplex>leo__: run which make, if it's installed.
01:02<leo__>Supaplex, what does that mean?
01:02<leo__>sorry newbie here
01:03<Hideo>leo__: type "which make" in console
01:03<leo__>Hideo, does not do anything
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01:03<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
01:03<Supaplex>then you need to install make.
01:04<leo__>apt-get install make?
01:04<leo__>what does tias mean? lol
01:04<Supaplex>most likely, if I recall correctly.
01:04<dpkg>methinks tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first
01:04<Supaplex>!tell leo__ -about search
01:05<leo__>thanks guys
01:05<Supaplex>np =)
01:05<Hideo>Supaplex: tias is bad if you are newbie running as root ;)
01:05<Supaplex>hummmm indeed :)
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01:06*Supaplex fubared his cups install last time he did that
01:06<Supaplex>it's been a long time. :p
01:07<Supaplex>src and dst /etc/cups/ was mismatched. ouch.
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01:07<Hideo>haha, I once, removed /etc/* accidentally due to tab completion and lack of sleep
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01:08<Supaplex>it only took me about a whole second to panic and ^C
01:08<Supaplex>I was kinda screwed anyway.
01:09<Astero1D>How do I find out what version of GCC was my kernel compiled by?
01:09<Supaplex>years before I rm -Rf /root/ by mistake. I was using lynx to view 100's of log files in /root/something and deleted .. by mistake.
01:09<Supaplex>Astero1D: cat /proc/version
01:10<Astero1D>Supaplex, thank you
01:10<Hideo>Supaplex: yeah, my bro has a habit of running as root, so my dirty solution to his rm -rf everything was "for i in {1..9999} ; do dd if=/dev/urandom of=$i bs=1M count=1 ; done"
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01:10<Hideo>Supaplex: that way he could ^C in time
01:11<Astero1D>Supaplex, I get permission denied for /proc/version even though I am doing it as root
01:11<Supaplex>Astero1D: heh. how?
01:11<Supaplex>you can usually cat /proc/version as anyone
01:11<Astero1D>no idea
01:12<Astero1D>ok cat worked
01:12<Supaplex>what were you using before?
01:12<Astero1D>I just typed /proc/version
01:12<Hideo>it's not an executable silly
01:12<Supaplex>yeah, it's not executable. :)
01:12<Astero1D>Supaplex, ah... that makes sense :)
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01:13<Supaplex>superjet_busy: can you help me upgrade my web 2.0? the innerweb cloud needs an update. I guess your busy? ;) </taunt>
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01:16<superjet_busy>Supaplex: sure :)
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01:17<Supaplex>I asked that question in #ubuntu a few months ago and had 3 people all over it. then the double take set in 5-10 seconds after. :)
01:18<Hideo>wtf were you doing in #ubuntu?! :P
01:18<Supaplex>being a troll? :D
01:18<Supaplex>if only for a minute...
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01:20<Astero1D>One of the installers is unable to find GCC, although it's installed
01:21<Astero1D>How can I find out where exactly is GCC installed?
01:21<Supaplex>Astero1D: dpkg -l gcc\* then dpkg -L <package> | grep bin/
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01:22<Astero1D>Supaplex, that gives me syntax error
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01:23<Astero1D>dpkg, tell Astero1D -about search
01:23<Astero1D>!dpkg, tell Astero1D -about search
01:24<simonrvn>"!dpkg" is redundant
01:24<Supaplex>Astero1D: just /query dpkg anyway.
01:24<simonrvn>mind reader
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01:25<Astero1D>thanks guys
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01:26<Astero1D>this is what I am being asked now: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
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01:28<Supaplex>Astero1D: dpkg -S /boot/vmli* to figure out what kernel you have. you'll need to install headers. now is a good time to apply what dpkg said about search before :)
01:29<ranix>there is always a kernel-headers`uname -r` iirc
01:29<ranix>don't know where that package actually puts the headers
01:29<ranix>kernel-headers-`uname -r` actually
01:29<Supaplex>in /usr/src/ iirc
01:30<btmorex>if they're installed there's a symlink to them at /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
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01:31<Astero1D>so how do I check if I have them?
01:32<btmorex>ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
01:32<ranix>Astero1D: if you have them, you can check by ls-ing /lib/modules/`uname -r`/
01:32<ranix>Astero1D: actually, you can do that if you don't have them
01:32<ranix>I don't know of how to check if you have them, but not if you don't
01:32<Astero1D>it tells me no such file or dir
01:32<Astero1D>so I dont have them then
01:33<ranix>or why one would even want to check that way
01:33<Astero1D>ranix, installing vmware, and it's asking me where c headers are
01:34<Astero1D>so I need to install the 'kernel-package' ?
01:34<btmorex>no, install linux-headers-`uname -r`
01:35<Astero1D>ok done, lets see if I can continue the installer
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01:35<Supaplex>I think lenny has a vmware wrapper to streamline all that.
01:36<superjet_busy>xmms2tray always convert utf-8 name file above 256 into hexadecimal utf-8, like %e3%c6...mp3?
01:36<Astero1D>Supaplex, and how do I get it? by wrapper you mean a package?
01:36<newsense>anyone know of a good music player with support,not amarok >
01:36<Supaplex>same way you get any other
01:36<Hideo>Astero1D: /msg dpkg vmware
01:37*metalqga don't recommend using songbird anymore
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01:38<Astero1D>so to answer the question of installer: "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
01:38<Astero1D>kernel?" what would the path be?
01:39<Supaplex>Astero1D: look in /usr/src
01:39<btmorex>something's messed up... it should autodetect the headers if they're installed (at least it works for me)
01:39<Astero1D>Supaplex, ok, do I need common headers or 686 ?
01:40<Supaplex>686 i assume
01:40<Supaplex>no idea tbh
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01:41<fibonacci>Hideo, I am back. :)
01:41<Astero1D>I'm stuck again: "The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686" is an existing directory, but it
01:41<Astero1D>does not contain a "linux" subdirectory as expected.
01:41<Astero1D>it was so easy on my brother's machine, same netinstall cd and everything worked, I dont know why stuff is missing from mine
01:42<Supaplex>Astero1D: ls -ld /usr/src/*/linux
01:42<fibonacci>The PCI Bus wasn't the same as on the guide.. so couldn't start X, but changed it.. and got a Nvidia splash screen. ;) Thanks Hideo.
01:42<craigevil>newsense: if you just want to play lastfm shell-fm
01:42<Astero1D>Supaplex, no such directory
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01:42<btmorex>try /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/include
01:42<Supaplex>Astero1D: netinst doesn't install it unless it's in base.
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01:42<Hideo>fibonacci: wb, so everything worked out?
01:43<Astero1D>that worked
01:43<fibonacci>Yes, I again see everything graphical. But is there a command I could use, in order to check are drivers actually there?
01:43<Astero1D>btmorex, Supaplex thanks
01:43<fibonacci>To check if 3d works etc?
01:43<fibonacci>Because i don't notice any difference.
01:44<Hideo>fibonacci: it's glxinfo or something
01:44<Hideo>fibonacci: I'm not sure if the nvidia package provides any other utilities as I don't have nvidia
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01:44<fibonacci>glxinfo|grep renedering I tried this one. But I get .. -su: glxinfo: command not found
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01:45<fibonacci>But if there is Nvidia splash screen, I think that then its installed. Because before it wasn't there.. :)
01:45<Supaplex>glxinfo is in mesa-utils
01:46<Hideo>fibonacci: you can also look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log to check if everything went ok
01:47<Supaplex>hummm how can I auto s2disk on low battery? :)
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01:48<metalqga>Supaplex played with tuxonice?
01:48<fibonacci>Found it, but to me it doesn't mean much :) but before I go another question.. not that hard I guess. :)
01:49<fibonacci>I downloaded DVDs and by default they installed Gnome. I would like to have KDE. What would be the easiest way to do that?
01:49<Supaplex>!install kde
01:49<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see, or ask me about <kde version>
01:50<Hideo>Supaplex: I thought laptop-mode does that but apparently it doesnt :(
01:51<fibonacci>Thank you. But then how do I get rid of Gnome?
01:51<Hideo>!remove gnome
01:51<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly).
01:51<Supaplex>fibonacci: /msg dpkg uninstall gnome ?
01:53<fxiny>metalqga: see /. : world of goo ported to linux
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01:56<fibonacci>Allright then. :)
01:56<fibonacci>Will try to do it.
01:56<fibonacci>See you soon guys, and thanks a lot :)
01:57<fxiny>12358 :P
01:58<metalqga>dlding the demo, the videos look tempting
01:59<fxiny>metalqga: i'll ask you later , coffee time :)
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02:00<Hideo>fxiny: awesome is damn awesome!
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02:02<Hideo>fxiny: I finally have a use for that windows key :)
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02:04<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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02:10<Astero1D>what is this 'file:' folder in /home/me/ ?
02:11<Supaplex>is that from ls -l ?
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02:23<fxiny>Hideo: i'm using a olivetti "ank 27 102N" , an ibm type M clone : no windoze key ;)
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02:27<Hideo>fxiny: oh wow, how heavy is that thing?
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02:29<fxiny>Hideo: half a ton :)
02:30<metalqga>a nice game that is fxiny
02:31<fxiny>metalqga: yes ? are you alredy playing it in your debian box ?
02:31<Hideo>fxiny: clackity clack clack...
02:32<fxiny>Hideo: heheheh it spounds like a spanish castaneta : that's right ;)
02:32<metalqga>the .deb package installed with no probs
02:33<fxiny>metalqga: deb file ? where ? lenny ?
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02:33<metalqga>yes :P From:
02:33<metalqga>To: /hdd/WorldOfGooDemo.1.40.deb
02:33<metalqga>Size: 31.0 MB (32423456 bytes)
02:33<metalqga>Transferred: 31.0 MB (32423456 bytes)
02:33<metalqga>ops sorry for the long paste, bad opera!
02:33<Astero1D>Can someone help me decide between keepass and keepassX? and why is there no keepass in lenny repo?
02:33<fxiny>metalqga: etch compatible ?
02:34<metalqga>i'm using lenny now, cant tell
02:37<fxiny>Hideo: you know what i'm using for the cleaning ?
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02:38<rossko>hey all, when is 5.0 expected to be released, any ideas?
02:38<fxiny>a craflty hacked bicycle pump :)
02:39<fxiny>rossko: we are waiting for a new topic :)
02:40<gsimmons>Astero1D: "KeePass" is for the Windows platform. "KeePassX" (formerly KeePass/L) is a port of this application to Linux.
02:40<rossko>fxiny, ok cool, do you know when 5.0 is to be released?
02:40<Dargor>lol, your new here arnt you.
02:41<fxiny>rossko: only a new topic can tell ;)
02:41<rossko>Dargor, yeh why not
02:41<Hideo>fxiny: haha
02:41<Dargor>your talking about debian 5.0 right.
02:42<Dargor>it'll be released when you learn to code and go do everything on the todo list
02:42<rossko>ok, just because i dont contribute to debian doesnt mean you have to be a rude c*nt
02:42<Dargor>debian people dont set release dates, stuffs done when its done.
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02:43<rossko>well i was just asking a general question
02:43<Dargor>hey i havent made any code contributions to debian eather.
02:43<rossko>why not
02:44<fxiny>Hideo: pump+a plastic pipe , the nozzle is a biro pen tap ;)
02:44<Dargor>cos ive got other stuff to do. dont know c.
02:44<rossko>i guess, you must work more than me
02:44<fxiny>Hideo: it blows like an evil end level daemon ;)
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02:45<rossko>back to my Q is there any idea roughly when anyone thinks it might be out?
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02:46<blarson>real soon now.
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02:46<Hideo>fxiny: can't you just take the keyboard apart?
02:47<Hideo>fxiny: if I remember right, there were some screws in the back
02:47<rossko>blarson, is that directed to me?
02:47<fxiny>Hideo: my device is echo friendly , no canned air . no moisture . no cash ;)
02:47<blarson>rossko: yes.
02:48<rossko>blarson, thanks
02:48<rossko>blarson, i will hold out doing a fresh install then :D
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02:48<blarson>rossko: With soon defined as "sometime in the next decade".
02:49<rossko>blarson, so not worth holding out
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04:43<Scott`Steiner>is there a way to make debian use an external monitor by default on a laptop? Ie, without having to press a key combo?
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04:50<Pepper>have you tried calling xrandr?
04:50<Pepper>man xrandr
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04:53<rogerbosmans>Cherche paquet debian pour mettre thunderbird en français
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04:56<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
04:56<Scott`Steiner>thanks Pepper, I'll look into that. doing an upgrade at the moment
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05:05<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gianfranco
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05:12<gpb>Countdown to Lenny already running? :p
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05:33<fxiny>wt4x ! one more !list
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05:38<enouf_>!list fxiny
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05:39<pjj>anything known about lenny yet (if it will be out today or not) ?
05:40<fxiny>enouf_: hehe the "why italians list" is the greatest mistery of all ;)
05:40<fxiny>enouf_: dumb bananas ? :P
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05:41<enouf_>fxiny: haha .. Happy Antepasta :-P
05:41<fxiny>enouf_: today rice ;)
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05:41<fxiny>enouf_: resident cat asked for it :)
05:42<fxiny>i think ...
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05:46<pisco>pjj: *thumbs up* ;)
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06:05<metalqga>is this the mafia blacklist or what? :P
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06:33<gpb>metalqga, there exists no mafia - only Cosa Nostra :D
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06:38<padski>are we there yet? ;-)
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06:39<fxiny>i'm right on the brach behind you , lurking :P
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07:02<Pepper64>bye etch ;-(
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07:04<gillesMo>Pepper64: some pre-official news ?
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07:05<darkk>bye, dpkg :-)
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07:05<darkk>hello, dpkg@lenny :-)
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07:14<steffan>dpkg: welcome back. \:o
07:14<dpkg>i haven't a clue, steffan
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07:20<fxiny>in this time of uncertainly one thing is sure
07:20<fxiny>dpkg rulez
07:20<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
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07:40<lethalduck>This is probably a common question, although so far I havn't been able to find the answer. Can someone please direct me to where I can find out how the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list reference the packages
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07:40<dr|z3d>lethalduck: sources.list references the repositories, not the packages themselves.
07:41<lethalduck>Yes, I realise that
07:41<lethalduck>There are breaks in the URL's though, I'm not sure how that works?
07:42<lethalduck>For example deb lenny main contrib non-free ... there is a break between debian and lenny ... etc
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07:43<dr|z3d>Sure, you probably want to google for an explanation of the respository syntax.
07:43<lethalduck>I can put in my browser fine, but where is the lenny, main etc?
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07:44<dr|z3d>That line is specific to the repository.. it's not a url as such.
07:44<Kano>hi, how to disable the fast reboot that does directy start a linux kernel?
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07:45<lethalduck>dr|z3d: yeah, but how do go get to the lenny?
07:45<js>Bonjour !
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07:46<dr|z3d>lethalduck: You do so by adding the repository line to your sources.
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07:47<lethalduck>dr|z3d: yeah, but how does apt know where to look for say lenny by the line deb lenny
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07:49<Vodi>lethalduck: it looks there:
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07:51<lethalduck>Vodi: Ok, what else do we have besides dists? I know there is a pool.
07:52<Vodi>but i think there is some document on the web, which will tell you this precisly
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07:52<lethalduck>Vodi: I bet
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08:08<lethalduck>dr|z3d, Vodi: I think this covers it Thanks
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08:19<Vodi>lethalduck: yeah, this looks pretty good ;-)
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08:19<Vodi>isn't there anybody of the release-team here?
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08:20<Vodi>(i don't think this is a correct english sentence...?)
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08:21<steffan>Vodi: i'm not sure if there are any here at the moment, probably. or you could try #debian-devel, there's bound to be a few there.
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08:22<Vodi>it's just to satisfy my curiosity ;-)
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08:23*fxiny noticed plenty of dead cats , today
08:23<Vantage>So is today still the day for Lenny?
08:24<Txt-file>vantage: no this one for your girl-/boyfriend ... ;)
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08:24<Vantage>Txt-file: some of us are stuck working :(
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08:26<metalqga>i'm constantly checking the topic ;)
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08:34<bandya>Hi all
08:35<bandya>i need help about installing debian on a P3 with 128 MB RAM
08:36<gsimmons>bandya: What specific help do you require?
08:38<bandya>in my phy dept now college has given a P3 machine with 128 MB RAM running winXP prof
08:38<bandya>i want to replace it with debian
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08:38<christoph>bandya, just installed on an P1@133MHz
08:39<bandya>which version of debian should i use so that i'll get openoffice
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08:39<christoph>bandya, lenny?
08:40<bandya>i'm using linux for last 3 months only
08:40<atari>bandya: try this one:
08:41<atari>lenny is the "new" release after etch
08:41<Txt-file>atari: the cell-cpu is i386-compatible?
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08:41<bandya>ok ok i'll try this link
08:41<christoph>atari, I find lxde a lot more pleasant than xfce :)
08:41<atari>Txt-file: P3 is not PS3 ;)
08:42<Txt-file>damn ...
08:42<atari>christoph: got an installer ;)
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08:42<Cosa>Lenny will be stable today?
08:42<christoph>Cosa, jep
08:42<atari>Cosa: Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009.
08:43<christoph>it's on its way now
08:43<bandya>thank you guys! i'll report back !
08:43<Cosa>nice ^^
08:43<steffan>that means i'm going to have to update today.
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08:43<atari>steffan: no, i have to seed 5.0 today
08:43<atari>i == you
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08:44<steffan>atari: what?
08:44<EmleyMoor>I'm entirely on lenny already - and will stay so on three machines - the other will go to squeeze
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08:46<steffan>what's the best way to upgrade?
08:47<atari>steffan: you don't have to update, you have to seed the release
08:47<amacater>aptitude install apt aptitude ; atptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade
08:47<Txt-file>dpkg tell steffan about etch->lenny
08:47<metalqga>just read the topic
08:48<amacater>OK - dumb fool here - how do I read a topic :)
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08:48<steffan>so I don't need to seed? lol
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08:49<lennard>generally by looking at the top of the screen or typing /topic
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09:17<diega>Hi, anybody was able to run a functional X in a chroot as described in here
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09:22<enouf_>diega: well
09:22<Bakuno>Anyone here?
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09:22<enouf_>1st off - the file names are changed ;-)
09:22<Bakuno>Yay people.
09:22<enouf_>XF86Config-4 is no more :-P
09:23<Bakuno>What are your thoughts on getting a laptop at 14?
09:23<diega>enouf_: :) yes, I was able to install everything but really doesn't work
09:23<Bakuno>I also learn c++ and want a career in IT.
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09:24<enouf_>diega: how does it not really doesn't work?
09:24<enouf_>Bakuno: you might want to ask those kinds of things in say ##linux on and maybe the ##c and ##c++ channels
09:25<diega>enouf_: I run startx -- :1 and I got this error in .xsession-error "get_pty: not enough ptys", and X crashes instantly
09:25<enouf_>or heck - even #debian-offtopic, (here and freenode) or #defocus, or whatever
09:26<enouf_>diega: where does it say to run startx there? :-)
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09:27<Bakuno>Port is
09:28<enouf_>diega: try --bind mounting your pts into the chroot, prior to chroot
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09:28<diega>enouf_: yes, it's default mounted through the file /etc/schroot/mount-defaults
09:28<JordiGH>lenny is being born!
09:29*JordiGH paces around nervously, smoking.
09:29<diega>congratulations everyone!
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09:29<enouf_>diega: wait ,,, is /dev bind mounted?
09:30<diega>enouf_: it's not default but I added it
09:30<enouf_>diega: and why schroot? s == secure .. and X != secure ;-0
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09:30<Bakuno>Dw I got it.
09:30<diega>enouf_: I'm trying to run a gnome upstream in there
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09:32<nico65>I've heard lenny 5.0 will be released today, isn't it?
09:33*enouf_ feels a bit liket there's a party going on somewhere that either a) i forgot, or b) nobody told me where, or c) nobody mentioned any party
09:33<JordiGH>nico65: Yes! The mirror team just finished the first part, the CD team is now working:
09:33<enouf_>JordiGH: play-by-play, eh? :-P
09:33<JordiGH>enouf_: I'm really excited about this... I've never watched a release this closely before.
09:34*JordiGH gets the beer and pizza and champagne ready.
09:34<enouf_>JordiGH: it's amazing .. isn't it? :-)
09:34<JordiGH>enouf_: It's poetry in motion.
09:34<enouf_>blinded by science, heh
09:35<stew>i've been in a foreign country without internet for the last two releases
09:35<fxiny>i heard lenny has a twin , is it true ? JordiGH you gotta work harder :P
09:36<fxiny>enouf_: galileo figaro magnifico ;)
09:36<JordiGH>fxiny: Yeah, I got two lenny installs for my mom and brother to take care of now. :P
09:36<nico65>JordiGH: But as far as I known, some local translations of release-notes still under work...
09:36<enouf_>fxiny: no porbs! ;-)
09:36<Vantage>hrmm I just changed my sources.list to use deb lenny main contrib non-free instead of etch and for some reason it's showing no updates after an aptitude update
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09:37*fxiny changes etch to stable and checks ...
09:38<metalqga>it's time to ask when will debian 6 be ready :P :)
09:38<OdyX>metalqga: roughly 22 months from now
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09:38<OdyX>it will be announced for 18 months, but will release in 22 :)
09:39<JordiGH>dpkg, wwlsr is squeeze will release WIR, SIYH.
09:39<dpkg>JordiGH: okay
09:39<fxiny>6 ? i suggest skipping 7 to piss Fat Ball*er :P
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09:39<metalqga>and this is gonna be the most asked question :P
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09:40<fxiny>upgrade says : not yet stable ...
09:40<OdyX>fxiny: wait for the announcment
09:40<fxiny>OdyX: we are all monitoring the topic :)
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09:49<enouf_>JordiGH: wwlsr == ? ...lenny squeeze release? wt4x!?
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09:51<JordiGH>enouf_: oops.
09:51<JordiGH>dpkg, forget wwlsr
09:51<dpkg>JordiGH: i forgot wwlsr
09:51<JordiGH>dpkg, wwsr is squeeze will release when WIR, SIYH.
09:51<dpkg>...but wwsr is already something else...
09:51<JordiGH>Oh, never mind, then.
09:52<dpkg>But Lenny isn't even out yet! Squeeze is the version after Lenny.
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09:55<enouf_>JordiGH: ;-)
09:55<enouf_>JordiGH: you could alter/edit that after today ;-)
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10:03<randall_>it may be the most asked question of today, but is the lenny release going as planned?
10:03<randall_>I checked the dd and dda lists, but no info on that topic there :(
10:03<OdyX>randall_: release is ongoing...
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10:04<newsense_>lenny, will you be my valentine ?
10:05<randall_>great news
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10:06<Txt-file1>newsense_: and what about etch
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10:06<newsense_>Txt-file1: etch is like an old girlfriend that was fun for a while, but its just time to move on
10:07<Txt-file1>newsense_: :D I thinked so
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10:07<randall_>hehe, etch already has this old smell
10:07*dpkg dresses up in a sexy miniskirt and showers jordigh in champagne
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10:08<JordiGH>Heh, premature partying, sorry. :P
10:10<enouf_>JordiGH: you should find a way to incorporate some of the <gothsmite> info into <champagne>
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10:11*JordiGH eyes ubuntu suspiciously.
10:11<JordiGH>Crashing our party?
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10:12<JordiGH>enouf_: Does that still exist?
10:12<JordiGH>!gothsmite enouf_
10:12*dpkg puts on black lipstick and a corset and sings Cradle of Filth songs in enouf_'s ear, off key, while scraping his fingernails down a blackboard.
10:12<Diddymus>After the release I know security updates for testing are not available immediately. Are there any other considerations or will it just roll on? Any action testing users need to take?
10:12<ubuntu>hola alguno que hable español por ahi
10:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:14<randall_>Diddymus: AFAIK testing will be pretty much empty and not usable right after release ... that's my experience.
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10:15<OdyX>randall_: that's not Ubuntu...
10:15<JordiGH>enouf_: I can't figure out how to give parameters to dpkg.
10:15<Diddymus>randall_: I would have thought it would initially be the same as lenny then updates from unstable would roll in?
10:15<randall_>hehe :)
10:16<enouf_>JordiGH: well .. which parameters?
10:16<dr|z3d>JordiGH: man dpkg
10:16<randall_>I'm not sure, but I think testing is empty and then sid rushes in ...
10:16<JordiGH>dr|z3d: the bot, not the real one.
10:16<enouf_>JordiGH: /msg dpkg dpkgbot
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10:16<randall_>but could also be equal to lenny and then sid packages roll in
10:17<randall_>anyways, it's a rough ride in the first few months
10:17<enouf_>JordiGH: you could edit using <factoid> =~ s/search/replace/
10:17<Diddymus>randall_: hope that's the case, been waiting for an updated Awesome since the freeze ;)
10:17<enouf_>JordiGH: or just say <factoid> is also [your text here - no brackets]
10:17<JordiGH>enouf_: How do you pass a username_
10:17<randall_>Diddymus: but lots more usable than a Ubuntu Alpha release
10:17<enouf_>well, that's diff - perl syntax, iinm
10:18<enouf_>either $1 and/or (.*?) or something .. i don't know
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10:18<themill>JordiGH: defining new commands is not easy
10:18<Pepper64>JordiGH: this one?
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10:19<Diddymus>randall_: Wouldn't know about that, been with Debian for ages and didn't get distracted by the pretty Ubuntu stuff :)
10:19<abrotman>and making new commands that take parameters can mess up other factoids
10:19<enouf_>JordiGH: learn also listvals, listkeys, and literal command <factoid>
10:19<enouf_>JordiGH: literal <factoid> .. iirc
10:19<fxiny>pretty a 4x !
10:20<fxiny>her uglyness :P
10:20<randall_>Diddymus: have been using Debian on my server and desktops for years, stable on servers, sid on desktop
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10:20<randall_>Diddymus: I switched to Ubuntu on my Desktops because keeping track of sid and fixing stuff took too much time
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10:21<fxiny>that's why i run stable
10:21<Diddymus>randall_: same here but I've been using testing as I need access to more cutting edge stuff - just make sure I update the desktops before the servers :D
10:22<JordiGH>enouf_: Why can't I see the source for gothsmite?
10:22<enouf_>!literal gothsmite
10:22<fxiny>but i might run again sid , experimental taking all trouble
10:22<enouf_>!literal cmd gothsmite
10:22<randall_>I've "backported" some newer packages from Sid to Ubuntu a few times, when I need it. It's not that difficult
10:23<enouf_>bah - i give up
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10:23<themill>JordiGH: listkeys gothsmite
10:24<Scott`Steiner>What's a good tutorial on samba? I've tried a few that I've found on google but they haven't been much help. I'm trying to be able to read files on my debian server from another computer via smb but the usernames/passwords are different for each computer
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10:26<fxiny>play with weird things and we end up with a bela dpkgosis's dead :P
10:26<Diddymus>Scott`Steiner: smbpasswd sets the samba password, the actual account passwords on the systems can be different to each other and the samba passwords.
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10:27<fxiny>from another comp ? make both login and samba pass the same
10:27<Scott`Steiner>Diddymus: So it would just have to be an actual username on the system, but use the password from "smbpasswd" to login? Because it doesn't seem to work
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10:28<JordiGH>!champagne enouf_
10:28<fxiny>at least this is what i remember , not using samba since ages
10:28<randall_>Will lenny actually be this first release which had a release date given in advance?
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10:28<@Ganneff>all had that.
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10:28<enouf_>JordiGH: oh crap - i got a tail?
10:29<enouf_>omg ..
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10:29<JordiGH>enouf: I still can't figure it out...
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10:29<fxiny>enouf: a tail ? you are morphing into a werenouf ,P
10:30<enouf>JordiGH: yeah - now i know waht you want - it's a bit tricky - i can get my perl based irc client to do it, most times. but not dpkgbot
10:30<enouf>fxiny: hah!!
10:30<Diddymus>Scott`Steiner: the smbpasswd is just used for logging into the share, the normal password is for logging into the server via a normal login session.
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10:30<JordiGH>enouf: I've seen someone do it! It's not so hard.
10:30<enouf>fxiny: funny thing is, i've been logged on now for <X hours> and never noticed .. or forgot
10:31<enouf>!be a enouf barbie
10:31<dpkg>Aww, enouf is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf
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10:33<Diddymus>Scott`Steiner: personally I tend to use sshfs instead of samba when I have *nix boxes at either end ;)
10:33<Scott`Steiner>Basically my setup is this: I have an xbox which uses samba to get files off my windows xp with a certain login/password (user1/pass1 for example) that is on the network so I can watch them on my TV. It can only read/write files from a specific shared folder and it has limited capabilities otherwise. I want to be able to access a share on the debian system with the same user/pass, but that user shouldn't be able to login at all
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10:33<jamal>dhcp sope any one ?
10:33<jamal>vlans dhcp scope ?
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10:34<jamal>on debian server ?
10:34<fxiny>you log in with samba
10:34<Diddymus>Scott`Steiner: smbpasswd -a user1 (this adds the account user1 to samba and will ask for a password)
10:34<jamal>dhcp vlan scope ?
10:35<jamal>hw to configure a dhcp and do vlan scope ?
10:35<Diddymus>Scott`Steiner: You don't need to have a normal account for user1 if it's not going to login
10:35<jamal>hello any one ?
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10:35<jamal>do networking on debin servers ?
10:36<sunoano>hm ... does anyone know a debian repo offering as .deb already?
10:36<sunoano>else I'll stick with etckeeper :)
10:36<Scott`Steiner>Diddymus: It gives me an error if the account doesn't exist.
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10:37<Scott`Steiner>Diddymus: Is this correct? "sudo adduser -no-create-home -shell /bin/false user1"?
10:38<Diddymus>Scott`Steiner: that's for adding a normal account, using 'smbpasswd -a user1' the -a tells it to add the samba account
10:38<Diddymus>Scott`Steiner: from what you said before you only seem to need the samba account?
10:38<Scott`Steiner>I get an error message of "Failed to modify password entry for user smbshare
10:39<Scott`Steiner>When the account doesn't exist yet
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10:40<Scott`Steiner>I seem to have it working now. I did the "smbpasswd -a" command after readding the user and it worked perfectly. Thanks
10:40<JordiGH>Aw, c'mon, there's gotta be a way to see the source to the gothsmite command. :-/
10:40<jamal>!seen jamal
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10:41<Scott`Steiner>!seen Scott`Steiner
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10:41<Diddymus>Scott`Steiner: no problem, happy to be able to help
10:41<stew>JordiGH: /msg dpkg literal cmd: gothsmite (.*?)
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10:43<JordiGH>stew: w00t, thanks, I was missing that colon.
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10:43<stew>JordiGH: (or
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10:47<angus>shutdown -r now
10:47<JordiGH>!champagne enouf
10:48<JordiGH>stew: And how do I tell it that I'm defining a command, not a factoid?
10:48<angus>sorry wrong window!
10:48<JordiGH>!champagne enouf
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10:49<stew>JordiGH: /msg dpkg cmd: jordismite (.*?) is ($1): whatever
10:49<JordiGH>stew: "but cmd: is already something else...)
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10:53<metalqga>i'm thinking of a new hdd for my laptop, which is better stick the new "bigger" in the laptop and make the old external usb, or the other way around? cant decide
10:53<JordiGH>!champagne enouf
10:53*dpkg puts on a muscle shirt and showers enouf in the finest Crystal champagnea.
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10:53<JordiGH>case-sensitive bot.
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10:54<themill>JordiGH: some of us spend a lot of time editing factoids so they are more readable and deleting useless shit from them that makes it harder to find things in the database. You're not undoing that work, are you?
10:54<abrotman>yay .. cruft
10:54<JordiGH>themill: I haven't edited any factoid, just added cruft for today. :-)
10:55<JordiGH>C'mon, it's party day today.
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11:00<fgh>how do i start a new xorg server on vga-out instead of builtin tft monitor?
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11:06<vodi>fgh: whats your graphic chip manufacturer?
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11:13<fgh>vodi nvidia
11:13<vodi>than open nvidia-settings
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11:14<vodi>this can generate a new xorg.conf for you
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11:15<fgh>but i wanna start a new server from console
11:16<StyXman>startx -- :1
11:16<fgh>wich should show up on vga out
11:16<adfasdf>hi, i'm trying to compile a compiz plpupgin and i get this
11:16<StyXman>or xinit if you want a minimal one
11:16<StyXman>fgh: ah, then, I don't know
11:17<vodi>fgh: for this you have to define a new xorg.conf where :1 refers to your vga
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11:17<StyXman>adfasdf: you need the -dev packages of libxml2 and compiz
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11:17<fgh>ah, and nvidia-settings can create that new config?
11:17<vodi>yes, is i mentioned above
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11:18<Diddymus>fgh: Are you trying to do text on the builtin TFT and GUI on the external VGA? Or are you trying to use both and extend the desktop across both?
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11:19<fgh>Diddymus i want them separated.
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11:20<adfasdf>i installed them and i get the same thing, i need to be root right?
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11:20<barnabas>any one home?
11:20<Diddymus>fgh: ok you can have two separate GUI screens but you cannot mix GUI and text console IIRC
11:21<barnabas>any php coder in the house?
11:21<barnabas>in need help
11:22<fgh>Diddymus wich means i cant start a new xserver with xinit from console when gdm started the first one?
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11:24<Diddymus>fgh: You can use Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to a console to start up another xserver and run it on the VGA, as StyXman said 'startx -- :1' should do that
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11:25<fgh>yes but i cant make it run on my vga screen? (or tv-out)
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11:26<Xeross>is portmap daemon essential or can it be turned of
11:27<avu>Xeross, depends on what other services you use
11:27<Diddymus>fgh: Some laptops can't run the TFT and external separately, they only have one or the other or a clone on both
11:27<avu>Xeross, the most common reason to run portmap these days is NFS
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11:27<steffan>lenny stable is out now?
11:28<avu>steffan, /mesg dpkg lenny status
11:28<avu>steffan, /msg dpkg lenny status
11:28<avu>it's kept up to date
11:28<Y3faz>hi, how to convert IP like into it's host name, in command line
11:28<fgh>Diddymus how do i setup it to test if my laptop can use it?
11:28<avu>Y3faz, host(1) for example
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11:28<steffan>avu: i have already read that, it says 14th february which is today, which is why i am asking if it has been released as of yet?
11:28<Xeross>avu: A guide for compiling something told me it's safer to turn it off
11:28<dazjorz>It seems here, apt-get automatically installs packages listed as Recommended as if they are listed as Required for a package... How do I turn this off when installing one package specifically?
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11:28<avu>steffan, it also says something more specific at the end
11:28<Diddymus>fgh: There is normally a 'special' function key to toggle the screens - you should see the display move between the outputs available?
11:29<steffan>avu: seems it's over-due.
11:29<avu>Xeross, again, it depends on if you actually need it :)
11:29<steffan>do you think it will be released today?
11:29<Xeross>avu: Afaik i don't use NFS
11:29<avu>steffan, it will be released when it's done
11:29<steffan>avu: obviously.
11:30<avu>steffan, everything else is pointless speculation :)
11:30<avu>steffan, just wait and see
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11:31<Xeross>so what else could it be needed for i've got pureftpd, apache, php, mysql runnign
11:31<Xeross>and svn
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11:32<kapil>dazjorz: you can use the "--no-install-recommends" option while installing a specific package.
11:32<avu>Xeross, it's needed by anything that uses sunrpc, client or server.
11:32<Xeross>and it doesn't pose any security threat when running ?
11:32<avu>Xeross, every service running on your machine is a potential security thread
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11:33<dazjorz>kapil: thanks a lot :)
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11:38<Xeross>avu: That sounds paranoia
11:38<Xeross>avu: But still if i only have port 80, 3306, 21 open it shuold be safe right
11:39<avu>Xeross, no, that's just realistic. And every halfway decent admin thinks the same.
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11:39<avu>Xeross, there is no such thing as a 100% safe machine that is also connected to the internet. /especially/ not if it is running services
11:39*gpb only opens ports when someone is knocking ^^
11:40<avu>Xeross, apache and pureftpd for example both had holes already, that allowed attackers access to your machine
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11:40<avu>Xeross, the php applications you probably run on your apache are full of those too
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11:41<Xeross>avu: Maybe phpbb has holes and pma but the rest that's running was written by me with security in mind
11:41<avu>Xeross, so what? one hole in one application is enough. :)
11:41<Xeross>avu: So how can i make my system hacker proof
11:41<Xeross>avu: Safe mode ?
11:41<avu>Xeross, don't connect it to the internet
11:42<avu>that's the /only/ way to be sure.
11:42<goodtime>you can ever be hack proof
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11:42<fxiny>why are you using the word hacker that way ?
11:42<avu>in every other case, it's just a task of weighing the risks/gains
11:42<gpb>hacker proof?
11:42<gpb>disconnect it from the net
11:42<Xeross>avu: Well who else would hack into it
11:42<Xeross>still how can i secure it enough then
11:42<gpb>shut dit down
11:42<goodtime>well theres a way to hide your ip so you cant even be pinned
11:42<gpb>remove all cables
11:42<gpb>put it in a swiss safe
11:42*Xeross sighs
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11:43<StyXman>grab a slegde hammer and...
11:43<avu>Xeross, if there was an easy answer to that question, don't you think debian would do that by default? :)
11:43<Xeross>A serious answer would help more
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11:43<gpb>install everything chrooted
11:43<gpb>or in Virtual Machines
11:43<avu>Xeross, those /are/ serious answers
11:43<gpb>so if something *is* compromised only this sevrvice is
11:43<Xeross>avu: Well i don't cound pulling the plug a way to secure a webserver
11:43<avu>Xeross, designed to show that there is neither an easy nor an absolutely secure solution
11:43<CAPSLOCK2000> /msg dpkg lenny status
11:43<goodtime>you can make your ip dissapear
11:44<gpb>"just" a webserver:
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11:44<gpb>then on a special machine
11:44<gpb>or in a VM
11:44<StyXman>CAPSLOCK2000: without the leading space
11:44<goodtime>idk how but i know someone who does
11:44<fxiny>Xeross: i am a user and i run a system made by hackers , do you think i should be concenred ?
11:44<avu>fxiny, hehe
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11:44<goodtime>they wont tell thoe
11:44<fxiny>avu: ;)
11:44<avu>fxiny, you should acknowledge how language works though ;P
11:45<avu>fxiny, terms are not defined by the people who invented or originally coined them
11:45<fxiny>avu: mainstream speaks crap
11:45<avu>fxiny, but by the public's usage
11:45<Diddymus>fxiny: hackers are the good guys, crackers are the bad ;)
11:45<fxiny>Diddymus: not sure , read the Callisti manifesto
11:45<gpb>i really believed Lenny would be released 1234567890 Unix Time :)
11:46<avu>gpb, we can still claim it was in a few months ;)
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11:46<fxiny>gdb : too late > date +%s
11:46<goodger>I thought it was to be released at noon UTC today
11:46<gpb>i know
11:46<gpb>that was 23:31 UTC or so yesterday
11:47<stew>goodger: yes, that is when the process started
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11:47<gpb> <--- speaks about first step @noon, goodger
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11:48<stew>goodger: the cds are being built. security mirror push just started, when that finishes, debian-live starts building. when those are built, we start seeding torrents
11:48<gpb>according to this table earliest possible time would be 18:30 UTC
11:49<JordiGH>Who handles the Slashdot announcement? ;-)
11:49<goodger>stew: when does squeeze get created and propogated?
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11:49<gpb>I already have cooled the champagne
11:49<JordiGH>!champagne gpb
11:49*dpkg puts on a sexy miniskirt and showers gpb in the finest Sainsbury's champagne.
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11:50<gpb>I really like the second-to-last part on the Timetable:
11:50<gpb>"Thank you mail"
11:50<gpb>thanks JordiGH
11:50<stew>goodger: uhh, later
11:50<goodger>stew: how much later? :)
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11:50<fxiny>Sainsbury shampoo ? wt4x !
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11:51<fxiny>JordiGH: your editing is not so good :P
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11:51<stew>goodger: don't know exatly. it exists now. it will be there at the next full mirror sync, but I don't know when that happens
11:51<goodger>stew: thanks
11:52*goodger is itching for updates to testing :)
11:52*dazjorz too, but he's probably going to wait two days more or so
11:52<stew>goodger: we are probably not going to turn on the cronjobs which would process the package queues until tomorrow
11:52<dazjorz>not that lenny hasn't been extensively tested, of course... :)
11:52<goodger>ah, very well
11:52<dazjorz>but you never know. :)
11:52*JordiGH just wants to experimental to recover its intended meaning: "too unstable for unstable".
11:53<metalqga>stew so we all go for the torrents?
11:53<JordiGH>I also want my experimental package to migrate down to unstable. :-)
11:53<fxiny>JordiGH: is that the Sainsbury supermarket ?
11:53<JordiGH>fxiny: No.
11:53<JordiGH>fxiny: You should visit France more often. ;-)
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11:54<goodtime>could setup an fserve here
11:54<fxiny>JordiGH: no tx , i drink spumante ;)
11:54<goodtime>or dcc peps
11:54<enouf>JordiGH: wtf@! .. gdb gets a miniskirt and i get a muscle shirt? bitch!! :-P
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11:54<enouf>er gpb even
11:55<enouf>fxiny: hAsti la Vista Spumanti? O_o
11:55<fxiny>enouf: heheheh
11:57<stew>metalqga: you meen to help seed? or what?
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11:58<JordiGH>enouf: dpkg can't sex chatters. :-(
11:58<fxiny>enouf: Asti is sweet , much better then Tesco shampoo ;)
11:58<abrotman>-offtopic ?
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12:01<enouf>fxiny: many things are more tasty than shampoop :-p --> go to -offtopic .. you too JordiGH .. not that i feel chatty
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12:01<JordiGH>I'm gonna stay in the party until the bouncer gets unfriendly.
12:01<gpb>anything ontopic here at the moment?
12:01<Blur2040>Is there an expected time to see lenny stable .isos or do i have to keep refreshing all day?
12:01<Blur2040>er, thats kinda on topic
12:02<gpb>meaning: today ^^
12:02<OdyX>Live is actually building - CD images too
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12:03<bzed>Blur2040: you could get your favourite torrent tool setup
12:03<bzed>Blur2040: so you're prepared for later ;)
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12:03<Blur2040>Eh, i'm kinda enjoying the wait
12:04<JordiGH>bzed: Just setup the balloons and distribute the party hats for now...
12:04<goodtime>theres prob some news group for that
12:04<goodger>I shall order the cake
12:05<gpb>ftp still links testing to lenny
12:05<goodger>gpb: ftp needs to be synced according to stew
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12:06*newsense_ throws out all the etch disks
12:06<gpb>sure, but one can't expect the isos before the ftp is done?
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12:06<stew>gpb: ftp is done
12:07<gpb>I wait for lenny SP1 anyway
12:07<stew>gpb: we just haven't pushed to the mirrors yet. you will get isos before the mirrors change
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12:07<gpb>according to the Timetable it's the other way round :(
12:08<stew>gpb: trust me. i'm logged into and watched it all
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12:08<gpb>can i get the password to take a closer look myself?
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12:09<Blur2040>hrm, so it seems by the timetable that the isos should be complete in an hour or two, should all go well
12:10<lennard>there is a timetable with actual times?
12:10<iobound>who cares about .isos anyway
12:10<iobound>do a net install
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12:10<goodger>iobound: how do you propose to do a net install without an iso?
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12:10*darkk waits for the torrents for .iso to install lenny at local court :-)
12:10<Blur2040>har har
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12:10<lennard>with netboot.tar.gz and pxe :P
12:10<iobound>goodger: grab the latest debian-installer usb stick thing
12:11<iobound>yeah or netboot =)
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12:11<gpb>Knoppix CD as start :p
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12:11<iobound>seriously i don't understand the purpose of building 31 cdrom .isos just for i386
12:11<gpb>yes, I did an etch install this way a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away
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12:12<goodger>iobound: i386 remains the most common deployed PC arch, and not all of them have internet access
12:12<stew>iobound: the purpose is making all the packages available in a convenient for people that need to install to non networked computers
12:12<gpb>didn't have a CD burner at hand :)
12:12<stew>and its down to 30 cds :)
12:12<Astero1D>Hi, how do I make certain commands available for all users? for example 'svn' is only available to root
12:12<JordiGH>31 cds?
12:12<JordiGH>How many floppies is that?
12:12<lennard>goodger: you sure? I'd think x86_64 would be gaining momentum by now
12:12<darkk>afaik, debian is the only OS that ships on 30 cds :-)
12:13<jeff_hann>Astero1D, add yourself to the proper group
12:13<goodger>lennard: in new builds, yes. but there is still twenty years' worth of old systems out there
12:13<gpb>Astero1D, either give all users the execute right
12:13<JordiGH>5 or 6 DVDs?
12:13<gpb>or add a group for these users and givre the group the right
12:13<lennard>goodger: yes, but many companys actually phase out their >4yo hardware :P
12:13<gpb>or use sudo
12:13<goodger>who said about companies?
12:13<lb_>nope 31: [17:58] <Sledge> we have 31 :-)
12:13<Blur2040>13,541 1.44 md floppies...assuming 650 megabyte isos...
12:13<Astero1D>gpb which is better?
12:13<goodger>lennard: also, many users of amd64 prefer i386 because they assign magical reliability improvements to it
12:14<lennard>well, those users suck :P
12:14<goodger>lennard: and if your hardware turnover is four years you're wasting a lot of money
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12:14<gpb>and I still have the "you can also get floppies" voucher somewhere for win95
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12:14<iobound>didn't lenny drop support for install from floppy
12:14<lennard>goodger: do you mean you can keep them around longer or should replace sooner?
12:15<goodger>lennard: you should keep them around longer
12:15*JordiGH hasn't seen a floppy drive in years.
12:15<lennard>atually, thats highly arguable
12:15<gpb>depends, goodger
12:15*Blur2040 looks to his Amiga.
12:15<fxiny>i still have trinux on floppies
12:15<lennard>once you start taking into account energy-cost and all that
12:15<fxiny>good fun
12:15<boris_>mikes: Hola!
12:15<goodger>I have a system sitting under my desk that has a "turbo" button
12:15<goodger>it still works perfectly well
12:16<lennard>ah yes, the slow down button :)
12:16<gpb>if I calculate TCO for reoplacing defective parts vs buying new ones *and working (slightly) faster*....
12:16<tuxcrafter>somebody that can give me some help i want to execute a command inside a terminal and the termial should work with multiple desktops, so kterm, gnome-terminal xfce4-terminal. I am trying to use x-terminal-emulator -x command but this only works with xfce4-terminal and breaks when the x-terminal-emulatior is provided by gnome-terminal
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12:16<goodger>if I'd replaced it every four years since I'd got it, it would have cost me something like £2000 and for what...
12:16<goodtime>in 1980 you could get online with a floppy useing a vax machine
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12:16<tuxcrafter>could somebody please help creating a geniric command to execture a command and terminal
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12:16<goodtime>unix based os vax
12:16<gpb>for a simple "end user" system using it till it breaks fpor god is the right decision
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12:17<dr|z3d>tuxcrafter: gksudo <command> perhaps?
12:17<tuxcrafter>dr|z3d: what the heck has gksudo to do with a termina l:-(
12:17<Astero1D>I dont get it, I just added a new group: svnusers and it does not appear in the list
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12:18<fxiny>cd dvd and all f* plastic lost the run from floppy magic
12:18<tuxcrafter>Astero1D: new groups and users are only active afer re login in
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12:18<tuxcrafter>Astero1D: or are you revering to /etc/groups file
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12:19<Astero1D>no I'm using gui
12:19<dr|z3d>tuxcrafter: Ah, in which case, does Alt+F2 not fit the bill?
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12:19<fxiny>then came knoppix , first time was amazing
12:19<Astero1D>how would I give svnusers group rights to use svn?
12:20<goodtime>i like knoppix
12:20<Astero1D>and one user cant be a member of many groups or can he?
12:20<gpb>the new Knoppix Beta is *bleh* by the way
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12:20<gpb>I'd rather install Win7 on a 486
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12:20<gpb>ok, maybe on a Pentium-133
12:20<fxiny>gpb : you mean Wall-street-vista ?
12:21*Astero1D re-logging in
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12:21<tuxcrafter>dr|z3d: please re read my question... it cant be so unclear
12:21<patrikf>is that a gcc option? *ducks and hides*
12:21<gpb>no, I mean Vista-so-close-to-KDE-it-starts-to-become-usable
12:21<tuxcrafter>dr|z3d: your advice is way way way of my questions :-D
12:21<Blur2040>Is win7 as good (relatively) as i've heard
12:21<gpb>yes, methinks so
12:21<gpb>relatively, of course
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12:21<dr|z3d>Win7 is Vista SP2, in essence.
12:22<Blur2040>hrm, well, i didn't hate vista that much anyway
12:22<fxiny>gpb: i don't believe is usable : how much ram needed ?
12:22<Astero1D>tuxcrafter, the new grup still does not show up
12:22<dr|z3d>Sure, they've added a new link of paint, streamlined it a little, but it's not that different from Vista.
12:22<gpb>the main prob with it is that the first installed user still is Administrator
12:22<tuxcrafter>Astero1D: is it in the sudo cat /etc/groups
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12:22<tuxcrafter>Astero1D: you used addgroup groupname
12:22<tuxcrafter>as super user
12:23<Astero1D>no I used GUI in gnome
12:23<tuxcrafter>Astero1D: ow sorry i dont give gnome support
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12:23<gpb>if you added yourself to a new group you have to relogin for it to take effect
12:23<angelo>hi, I have a cat cable related question
12:23<fxiny>win7 is a financial maquillage
12:23<gpb>cat cable?
12:23<angelo>I just upgraded to a gigabit enviroment (for FTP/SMB usage)
12:23<angelo>yes ethernet
12:24<Astero1D>gpb, I relogged in but group does not appear
12:24<angelo>all on just cat5 cables...
12:24<gpb>cat5 for gigabit
12:24<angelo>now I don't need the full gigabit performance but
12:24<tuxcrafter>cat5e and cat6 is for gigabit
12:24<tuxcrafter>cat5 not
12:24<angelo>on SMB/ftp I can get max like 15 to 20MB/s
12:24<angelo>on cat5.
12:24<angelo>my question is
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12:24<angelo>is the cable the bottleneck here.. and would my rates go up if I change to cat.5e ?
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12:25<tuxcrafter>angelo: probably not :-D
12:25<Astero1D>tuxcrafter, /etc/groups: No such file or directory
12:25<gpb>look if your connection is full gigabit enabled, lookk for dropped packets etc
12:25<gpb>ond *upgrade to cat5e*
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12:25<tuxcrafter>Astero1D: sudo cat cat /etc/group
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12:25<dr|z3d>angelo: In all probability, your hard drives are the bottleneck.
12:25<angelo>gpb .. so is my max speeds are like 20mb's then the cable isnt the bottleneck?
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12:26<angelo>hmm hdd is a raid0 SATA300
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12:26<angelo>on a tx2300 card
12:26<gpb>test it with buffered tests
12:26<gpb>like adding some ftp server serving files from a ramdisk
12:26<angelo>I know the hdd is a bottleneck but they could go like 50mb/s practically
12:26<StyXman>angelo: try copying things from several machines to /dev/null, so your local disk is not the bottleneck
12:26<goodtime>idk about this os im on
12:26<Astero1D>tuxcrafter, YEAH, IT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THERE
12:26<goodtime>kinda sucks
12:26<Astero1D>oops sorry
12:26<Astero1D>accidental capslock :)
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12:27<pjj>any eta on lenny cd's ?
12:27<goodtime>piggy backs off debian
12:27<angelo>might the CPU be a problem ?? it's a 1.2ghz tualatin
12:27<Blur2040>timetable seems to indicate sometime this afternoon...few hours...
12:27<Blur2040>on the cds
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12:27<goodtime>its a 1.6 atom
12:27<goodtime>1 gig ddr2 ram
12:28<goodtime>4 gig solid state h
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12:28<gpb>angelo: test with ramdisk
12:28-!-MaT is now known as MaT_cz
12:28<gpb>then you *know* it's not hdd
12:28<Astero1D>what's that command you would use to search within output of cat for example? was it grep?
12:28<angelo>lemme do that
12:29<gpb>yes Astero1D
12:29<JordiGH>Astero1D: grep thing the_file
12:29<goodtime>reinstalls fast thoe lol
12:29<goodtime>lie 3 minutes
12:29<gpb>cat somefile | grep something
12:29<JordiGH>Astero1D: but you can needlessly type that as cat the_file | grep thing
12:29<dr|z3d>Astero1D: cat <something> | grep <string>
12:29<tuxcrafter>Astero1D: sudo cat /etc/group
12:29<JordiGH>Wow, two useless cats there.
12:29*dr|z3d is lagged :/
12:29<gpb>cats are always useless.... stupid animals
12:29<Blur2040>3 minutes...puts debian to shame
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12:30*JordiGH often uses less instead of grep. "less thefile" then "/" to grep in there.
12:30<gpb>but there's more than one way to skin a cat as the saying goes
12:30<Blur2040>my kitty hurt her foot yesterday...sadness
12:30<goodtime>cat /etc/issue
12:30<JordiGH>Didn't we have a useless cat award in here?
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12:31<angelo>what is the simpelest way to make a 100mb ramdrive ?
12:31<goodtime>buy one
12:31<darkk>angelo, tmpfs has size= option
12:31<gpb>mount tmpfs -t tmpfs /mnt/tmpfs ?
12:31<angelo>tmpfs is always a ramdrive?
12:32<gpb>add -o size=100m
12:32<angelo>ok :)
12:32<angelo>lemme try
12:32<darkk>angelo, afaik, it MAY go to swap
12:32<fxiny> /dev/shm
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12:32<gpb>it won't swap :(
12:32<gpb>tried it
12:32<fxiny>where my script dumps
12:32<gpb>added a 2 Gig tmpfs on a 2 Gig RAM computer
12:32<gpb>said "disk full" for 1.7G or so
12:33<simonrvn>LENNY RELEASE DAY - ISO generation in progress
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12:33<fxiny>go go go :)
12:33<darkk>afair, ramfs may not swap and tmpfs may, but I may be wrong (too much "may" today)
12:33<steffan>d/window 1
12:33<gpb>oh well, a 100m file should not swap :)
12:34<simonrvn>darkk: need more june maybe ;p
12:34<angelo>on the ramdrive it won't go faster then 15mb/s
12:34<gpb>seems you were right... "TmpFS is a variant of RamFS, meant to use also swap if available, which is not the case in Plume."
12:34<jrabbit>OOo are we diagnosing transfer speeds?
12:35*jrabbit wants to max his debian's NFS
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12:35<Astero1D>groupadd svnusers; useradd -G svnusers asteroid; <- is this correct for creating a svnusers group and then adding myself to it? and how do I give svnusers rights to use svn command?
12:35<darkk>simonrvn, sure, but it was -30⁰C some days ago here... that's way too cold for june :-)
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12:35<gpb>june... february... my cellar is always the same temp :p
12:35<simonrvn>darkk: same here, but last weeek
12:35<jrabbit>Astero1D: is svn not is /usr/bin?
12:35<angelo>what more could be a bottleneck here... :S
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12:36<angelo>I got an intel gigabit NIC PRO/1000 so that should be OK
12:36<angelo>running on a 3com gigabit switch
12:36<gpb>eh.... how's your gigabit connected on the Motherboard?
12:36<Astero1D>jrabbit, no
12:36<jrabbit>angelo: is all the other equipment 1gbps?
12:36<gpb>if PCI then.....
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12:36<angelo>it is pci .. but is that the MAX pci rate ?
12:36<jrabbit>Astero1D: why is it in sbin to begin with?
12:36<jrabbit>that seems like your real issue :P
12:36<gpb>no, but PCI has all other PCI devices share the max speed
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12:36<angelo>thought it was a little higher .. knew it was a bottleneck but thought I could go faster then 15 with it:P
12:37<Astero1D>jrabbit, is it in sbin? I dont know let me check
12:37<angelo>gpb .. aha ... thats bad news
12:37<gpb>should go faster than 15 though
12:37<jrabbit>Astero1D: if it isn't in sbin no one needs special perms to run it
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12:37<angelo>got 2 PCI raid controllers and a 100mbit NIC besides it on the board
12:37<jrabbit>they just need a writable directory usually ~
12:37<Astero1D>it's not in /usr/sbin/svn either
12:37<angelo>which shares 100mb internet
12:37-!-shubunkin [] has joined #debian
12:37<angelo>so prolly the only solution here is a system upgrade ?
12:37<Astero1D>whereis svn gives me svn:
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12:38<gpb>PCI max is 133 MByte/s
12:38<cahoot>which svn?
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12:38<jrabbit>Astero1D: make sure you installed svn-client or w/e
12:38<Astero1D>what's w/e?
12:38*jrabbit has managed to install svn the server by accident
12:38<angelo>but I do have to say the HDD were doing nothing and the inet usage was low when I did the ramdrive test ... :S
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12:38<gpb>15 is faster than 100MBit can provide so GBit should work
12:38<jrabbit>what ever :P
12:39<jrabbit>gpb: gah I still hate the bits/bytes thing
12:39<angelo>I know .. its an improvement certainly for SMB which wouldnt go higher then like 4mb/s on 100mbit :P
12:39<gpb>look at top while transferring
12:39<Astero1D>jrabbit, seriously I am a serous noob here
12:39<dr|z3d>Technically 12.5MB is the max provisioned on a 100Mb network.
12:39<gpb>for the load of the syste,
12:39<Astero1D>jrabbit, Couldn't find package svn-client
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12:40<jrabbit>thats why I said 'whatever' I don't know the specific package I'm looking for it now :)
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12:42<Astero1D>it was subversion lol, pretty streight forward
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12:43*Blur2040 just learned what svn was, realized why he doesn't know what it is and that he will likely never need it.
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12:44<steffan>how can I adduser and put them in a specified group? is it adduser --group <group> <user>
12:45<Phoenix_the_II>meh, is update-grub supposed to find windows xp installs?
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12:45<dr|z3d>steffan: man adduser
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12:45<fxiny>steffan: adduser user group
12:45<jrabbit>Phoenix_the_II: if you installed windows on top of a grub install you need to reinstall grub.
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12:46<Phoenix_the_II>i did
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12:46<Phoenix_the_II>but frankly 64-bit grub doesnt record tabs
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12:46<Phoenix_the_II>so i cant view which (hdX,Y) is what partition
12:46<Phoenix_the_II>inside grub
12:46<Astero1D>Does anyone know if it's possible to browse a svn repository with svn command?
12:47<Phoenix_the_II>i got grub working
12:47<jrabbit>Phoenix_the_II: I believe its the same nubmering s in /dev
12:47<Phoenix_the_II>cant boot into windows anymore
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12:47<Phoenix_the_II>as i dont know which partion it's located on the device mapping :)
12:47<jrabbit>yeah go ahead and edit your grub.lst and manually add windows on it
12:47<Phoenix_the_II>guess based?
12:47<jrabbit>Phoenix_the_II: can you omunt the windows disk in your gui?
12:48<Phoenix_the_II>i know which /dev/sd it is
12:48<Phoenix_the_II>but ;P
12:48<jrabbit>ok well if you pull up the properties/info screen on it in GNOME you'll see the /dev/path/to/disk
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12:48<jrabbit>Phoenix_the_II: thats what I wanted to know lol
12:48<Phoenix_the_II>KDE here :)
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12:49<jrabbit>hd1,3 refers to if I'm not mistaken the second drive 4th partition (maybe including MBR)
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12:49<jrabbit>look at the debian entry for some help
12:50<jrabbit>its fairly well documented when you break open the settings :)
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12:50<Phoenix_the_II>but, i just want to know which (hdX,Y) = /dev/sdXY... :p
12:50<jrabbit>which sd* is it?
12:50<Phoenix_the_II>2 secs
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12:52<jrabbit>Phoenix_the_II: thats it? oh
12:52<steffan>fxiny: thanks!
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12:52<Phoenix_the_II>thats it?
12:52<jrabbit>should be hd3,1
12:52<jrabbit>I think
12:53<jrabbit>I'm quite lost with your setup
12:53<Phoenix_the_II>me too
12:53<Phoenix_the_II>got 8 disks
12:53<fxiny>steffan: np
12:53<jrabbit>but sdd refers to the sata controller and the is the 4th object it knows
12:53<Phoenix_the_II>and i bios swap 1 drive to be MBR: )
12:53<jrabbit>starts with sda and goes up
12:53<Phoenix_the_II>so :p
12:53<Phoenix_the_II>when i bios boot the windows drive i get NTDLR is missing
12:54<jrabbit>ok sothe windows install is the first partitino on a disk?
12:54<Phoenix_the_II>and the only
12:54<jrabbit>ok I'm thinking this is a mostly windows issue :\
12:54<Phoenix_the_II>thats a duh :P
12:54<jrabbit>if you can't boot via bios to it GRUB can't boot to it
12:55<jrabbit>GRUB just finds a chainloader to run
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12:55<Phoenix_the_II>maybe i should swap the MBR again
12:55<Phoenix_the_II>to something else
12:55<Phoenix_the_II>install grub on some disk
12:55<jrabbit>reinstall windows to that one disk
12:55<jrabbit>start there ^
12:55<Phoenix_the_II>and lose my grub
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12:55<jrabbit>windows can ruin 9 mbrs in one fell swoop :P
12:56<Phoenix_the_II>windows ruins everything
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12:56<Phoenix_the_II>but i need it
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12:56<jrabbit>Phoenix_the_II: may I suggest a VM?
12:56<dr|z3d>Phoenix_the_II: You might find the super grub boot disc handy. Possibly.
12:56<Phoenix_the_II>gaming :)
12:56<Phoenix_the_II>dr|z3d i have that disk
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12:56<jrabbit>Sounds like your machine is suited to take what you throw at it
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12:57<jrabbit>mm well considering how much of a pain this is :D
12:57<Phoenix_the_II>1. i installed grub
12:57<Phoenix_the_II>grub installs to the MBR
12:57<jrabbit>So grub isn't finding the disk to begine with to even get windows to error?
12:57<Phoenix_the_II>wait wait
12:57<Phoenix_the_II>3. installed windows
12:57<Phoenix_the_II>4. windows installed its bootloader onto MBR
12:58<Phoenix_the_II>5. i rerun the grub setup to the MBR
12:58<jrabbit>Which windows is this? XP?
12:58<Phoenix_the_II>6. windows cant boot anymore :P
12:58<Phoenix_the_II>and when i recover the windows bootloader again
12:58<JordiGH>Does etch have "aptitude full-upgrade"?
12:58<Blur2040>This is why I always install windows first, then let grub do its magic.
12:58<Phoenix_the_II>im back to one :D
12:58<EmleyMoor>I am trying to use mozphone (moziax) on my laptop, which is on lenny. I can't be sure it is registering, but worse, it can't see any sound cards. I think it needs OSS to see them and I am not sure that is on the laptop
12:58<jrabbit>because 7/vista do some weirder stuff
12:58<stew>JordiGH: no
12:58<Phoenix_the_II>jrabbit i just reverted from vista
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12:59<cahoot>EmleyMoor: modprobe snd-pcm-oss?
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12:59<jrabbit>Phoenix_the_II: if you reinstall windows again, don't let it touch any other drives
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12:59<jrabbit>unplug them if you have to
12:59<cahoot>EmleyMoor: or did you mean oss4?
12:59<Phoenix_the_II>might be an idea
12:59<Phoenix_the_II>this is taking all day :P
12:59<jrabbit>so it only modifies that one disk and we know it can boot with that disk alone
12:59<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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12:59<Phoenix_the_II>fighting over some stupid MBR :P
12:59<EmleyMoor>I don't know anything about oss vs. oss4
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13:00<jrabbit>Phoenix_the_II: here pm me lol
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13:01<EmleyMoor>That sorted it - how do I make that module load on demand?
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13:03<EmleyMoor>Damn, that appears not to ring either
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13:04<EmleyMoor>No point for now then
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13:05<_aWe__>i just did apt-get upgrade
13:05<_aWe__>should i reboot? will it work ?
13:05<_aWe__>it upgraded libc6 ...
13:05<dr|z3d>_aWe__: No need for a reboot.
13:05<_aWe__>yes i need the reboot
13:06<blur2040>er, won't the be a new kernel?
13:06<blur2040>meaning need for a reboot?
13:06<_aWe__>but my i'm afraid it won't work
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13:06<dr|z3d>No *need* for a reboot, but you're quite welcome to do so.
13:06<_aWe__>because the last time i did the upgrade, i had to reinstall debian
13:06<blur2040>well, its gonna happen sooner or later, so you might as well do it now
13:06<blur2040>but I'd recommend a backup of important files...of course
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13:07<_aWe__>but, have there been reports of problems lately ?
13:07<JordiGH>That vmsplice exploit in Linux, wasn't that patched a long time ago in etch? I can't find the patch.
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13:08<_aWe__>i'm going to reboot
13:08*_aWe__ crosses fingers
13:08<blur2040>I mean, you've already upgraded
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13:08<blur2040>the time to second guess was...oh...before that.
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13:11<blur2040>welcome back.
13:11<_aWe_>well it worked
13:11<_aWe_>pidgin broke tho
13:12<patrikf>_aWe_: is it crashing when sounds are supposed to play?
13:12<_aWe_>no, it says it needs ssl to login into msn
13:12<patrikf>oh well...
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13:15<client>i just tried to go from stable to testing... where can i check to see if thats what i'm in now?
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13:16<path_>check the packages you installed maybe?
13:16<client>there isn't like a "about" debian place?
13:16<gpb>in /etc/ there should be some "debianversion" or so file
13:16<gpb>don't know the name
13:16<path_>cat /etc/debian_version
13:17<gpb>oh, and btw: you shouldn't go to "testing" today but to lenny
13:17<path_>it would be interesting to know how it works :-)
13:17<goodtime>cat /etc/issue works also
13:17<gpb>because if you have "testing" in your sources.list you go to the *new* testing tomorrow....
13:17<blur2040>haha, and that's gonna be trouble
13:17<iobound>anyone have any experience doing etch->lenny on an nslu2? reports?
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13:18<client>gpb... i thought lenny and testing where the same
13:19<gpb>right now they are
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13:19<blur2040>Yeah, but today, lenny changes to stable
13:19<gpb>until in a few hours
13:19<blur2040>and work on the new version begins
13:19<gpb>then lenny is the new stable
13:19<gpb>that's why i use the release names
13:20<client>ok, so everything i got today will be released tomorrow as stable
13:20<blur2040>I've never used testing right after a new release? Do things start to change real fast?
13:20<gpb>i once had this problem... "testing" in a seldom-updated system and when next trying to update sarge had changed to etch for testing and it wanted to install some hundred new packages -- over ISDN
13:20<gpb>yes client
13:21<client>so i should run upgrade again tomorrow?
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13:21<client>with "testing" in my sources.list
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13:21<fxiny>digital suicide :P
13:22<gpb>if you want the *new* testing, yes
13:22<gpb>i will stay with lenny for a while
13:22<gpb>what's the new codename, btw?
13:22<blur2040>squeeze, i believe
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13:22<client>i really wanted to test kde 4.2
13:23<client>but you recommand waiting a little until squeeze settles into itself?
13:23<blur2040>I tend to stick with stable until the freeze sets in, sometimes a little bit before
13:24<client>seems like i picked an odd day to do this.
13:24<client>but this is the best way to learn.
13:24<gpb>o i'm *really* waiting for the jokes...
13:24<gpb>"can you squeeze debian?"
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13:24<client>make debian your main squeeze
13:24<syd>unstable doesn't change much now, does it?
13:24<blur2040>eh, i think woody makes for better ones
13:24<gpb>unstable is frozen these days
13:25<gpb>but expect it to become *really* unstable the next few days
13:25*blur2040 is afraid of debian testing or unstable right after a new release.
13:25<gpb>"counting potatoes"
13:26<gpb>how.... "working" is debian hurd these days?
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13:27<blur2040>I don't know, I've always wanted to try hurd, but well, it seems like "why bother."
13:27<blur2040>Linux works just fine.
13:28<JordiGH>Hurd is supposed to be awesome in ways it isn't.
13:28<iobound>why does this page say "4.0 rev5", shouldn't it say rev7?
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13:28<gpb>because no one thought it mattered for the last five days of etch :)
13:29<amacater>gpb: Course you can squeeze Debian - if you've got a Grip, you end up with a Crush :)
13:29<gpb>can you sueeze a potatoe? Well it cant't hurd because it hasn't got any etches
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13:30<gpb>sorry s/you/lenny
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13:30<blur2040>I always snicker when I think of hurd, they get a great idea to make an operating system...except they forget to make a kernel...and then...all your software is kinda usurped by linux and nobody will ever care about hurd.
13:31<amacater>For some people, doing things to Debian gives them a Buzz, others get a Woody :)
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13:31<gpb>well, making a kernel is hard work - it took Linux a year or so for 1.0 :D
13:32<blur2040>Oh, I know, but haven't they been working on hurd for a rediculously long time?
13:32<abrotman>they've changed the kernel a few times IIRC
13:32<blur2040>That said, I'm no programmer, so my hats off to them for their skill.
13:32<miksuh>gpb: You mean Linus? :)
13:33<gpb>last time i *tried* to use it it didn't work because my hard disk was larger than 2GB
13:33<gpb>yes, it's been a while :)
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13:33<Astero1D>Where is hosts file in Linux and how can I modify it so that when I type mydomain.loc it takes me to ?
13:34<gpb> /etc/hosts of course....
13:34<Lemonzest>Astero1D: /etc/hosts :P
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13:34<gpb>like in Windows *ducks*
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13:34<Astero1D> lol, thanks guys, what do I need to do after I modify it?
13:34<blur2040>save it.
13:35<Astero1D>(I ask because in windows I have to do 'ipconfig /flushdns'
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13:35<iobound>i don't think you need to do that in windows actually
13:35<stew>Astero1D: nothing like that. perhaps restart a web browser
13:35<sepski>Astero1D, if you happen to run a name cachind daemon restart it
13:35<sepski>eg nscd or similar
13:35<chealer>hghfd: welcome, number 425
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13:37<Astero1D>cool thanks guys
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13:47<pjj>are cd's done yet ? :D
13:47<stew>not for several more hours
13:47<pjj>ok :)
13:47<OdyX>536 CDs to build...
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13:48<darkk>stew, can you estimate "several", please?
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13:49<blur2040>oh, really? damn. That timetable is a bit off, methinks.
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13:50<stew>"Current plan seems to be that we ftpmaster push the archive mirrors around 23:00 UTC, so it has time to sync everywhere. Some while later the cd mirror will get a push, and then the official announcement will happen"
13:50<blur2040>Ah, thank you for the better link.
13:50<Ananth123>so feb 15th ?
13:51<stew>they are still aiming for the 14th in SOME timezone
13:51<blur2040>Thats how it appears according to that quote.
13:51<Ananth123>before we can get it
13:51<Ananth123>oh well
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13:52<JordiGH>What does Marillat normally do with his archive around now?
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13:53<fxiny>something is happening : Couldn't stat source package list
13:53<Astero1D>is it possible to transfer files over ssh?
13:53<Ananth123>500 cds + 36 live cds....... wonder how many dvds too......
13:53<darkk>Astero1D, use scp or rsync
13:54<darkk>Astero1D, or { cat foo/bar | ssh host "cat > bar" }
13:54<Astero1D>darkk, cool, thanks (which one is better?)
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13:54<darkk>rsync (as it allows partial retransmission in case of broken connection or partial mirroring), but it requires rsync on the other side
13:55<Astero1D>I see, thanks
13:55<avu>(although sftp can do partial retransmission as well with a proper client)
13:55<fxiny>turned sources form etch to stable warning disappeared ;)
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13:56<darkk>afaik, sftp != scp, but I may be wrong.
13:56<avu>which just means you forgot to mention one popular method altogether ;)
13:56<dr|z3d>darkk: secure ftp != secure copy protocol.
13:56<jrabbit>sftp is ftp over ssh
13:57<darkk>either sftp or scp required separate ssh subsystem on server-side
13:57<jrabbit>scp is cp over ssh
13:57<avu>jrabbit, no it isn't
13:57<jrabbit>basicly it is
13:57<jrabbit>the guts of it are
13:57<avu>it has nothing to do with the FT protocol
13:57<jrabbit>then damn thats a horrid fucking name XD
13:58<avu>not really
13:58<avu>it transfers files :)
13:58<Ananth123>and securely ;-)
13:58<avu>exactly :)
13:58<fxiny>yes : Inst snort-common [2.3.3-11] (2.7.0-19+lenny1 Debian-Security:5.0/stable)
13:58<syd>it's more like a secure rcp, I thought
13:58<avu>that's scp
13:58<syd>right, that
13:58<avu>we're walking about sftp
13:58<avu>we of course *should* be talking about saft!
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13:59<avu>(ok, maybe not)
13:59<fxiny>s/etch/stable dist-upgrade > 3 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 16 not upgraded.
13:59<Ananth123>hmmm saft = simple async file transfer ?
13:59<fxiny>hard job
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13:59<avu>Ananth123, anonymous, not async
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14:00<avu>also, it's "juice" in german
14:00<avu>which is of course quite important
14:00<syd>more important than soda at least
14:00<steffan>who ever thought installing a game server could take so much time and be so difficult.
14:00<gpb>"give me your juice"?
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14:01<rohan>is there any approximation on how many hours away are we from release?
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14:01<Ananth123>rohan: 12 hrs!
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14:01<jesperj>when I do "consolechars -f /usr/share/consolefonts/Lat15-Terminus20x10" I get read_simple_font(): Wrong font file format
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14:02<rohan>avu: thanks :D
14:03<Ananth123>avu: searching for saft packages shows async instead of anon
14:03<Ananth123>like gerstensaft
14:03<_aWe_>after upgrading debian, pidgin started to give an error connecting to msn
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14:03<_aWe_>"please install compatible ssl library"
14:03<abrotman>which version of debian?
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14:04<rohan>how far away are we from 23:00 utc?
14:04<abrotman>rohan: oddly, your computer can tell you
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14:04<boris_>4 hours
14:05<boris_>or 5
14:05<boris_>damn dst
14:05<abrotman>rohan: please don't download that
14:05<abrotman>darkk: do not do that
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14:05<rohan>abrotman: yes sorry, in the excitement i asked here instead of finding myself
14:05<rohan>abrotman: i'm on windows currently, so i'm sure that won't harm me ;)
14:06<Ananth123>it just might ;)
14:06<darkk>abrotman, what's wrong with it?
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14:06<blur2040>Eh, random binary from some guy...not a good idea really, no offense intended, of course.
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14:07<darkk>that's small bash script :-)
14:07<rohan>darkk: the only problem is that it could be the C equivalent of rm -rf / and i would never know
14:07<Ananth123>even visiting random websites is risky these days :(
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14:10<blur2040>er, yes?
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14:10<jesperj>what I wrote above
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14:12<avu>Ananth123, how damn, you're right, sorry
14:12<avu>hot damn even!
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14:14<Ananth123>avu: np :)
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14:14<Ananth123>jesperj: try re-installing the font ?
14:15<Ananth123>perhaps it really has a bad format
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14:17<_aWe_>hi, pidgin does not work after a debian upgrade
14:17<_aWe_>it tells me it needs a library to connect to msn
14:18<jesperj>Ananth123: it is worth a try atleast
14:18<Ananth123>else file a bug report
14:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 442] by debhelper
14:19<Ananth123>or ask in mailing list
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14:19*jesperj nods
14:21<syd>_aWe_: what version of pidgin?
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14:21<_aWe_>syd: 2.4.3
14:21<syd>debian sid?
14:21<Ananth123>_aWe_: what version of which library is needed ?
14:22<_aWe_>"SSL support is needed for MSN. Please install a supported SSL library."
14:22<Txt-file>main topic today: is lenny now released?
14:22<_aWe_>libgnutls is installed
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14:22<Astero1D>Where would you place folder with some application on your system? (I have downloaded some binaries that I will be using and I have them on Desktop, but where do they belong?)
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14:23<Ananth123>libgnutls26 ?
14:23<Ananth123>or libgnutls13 ?
14:23<Astero1D>In other words what's the equivalent of Program Files of windows in Linux?
14:23<darkk>Astero1D, /opt or $HOME/bin ?
14:23<_aWe_>Ananth123: libgnutls26
14:24<Astero1D>darkk, what does opt mean?
14:24<Astero1D>optional stuff?
14:24<Ananth123>hmmm i have the same and it works for me... though my pidgin ver is 2.5.3
14:24<Astero1D>what about /usr/bin or /usr/sbin and places like that, what are they for?
14:25<darkk>Astero1D, right, directory for "large" optional packets that are usually not managed with packet manager, you can get exact details in FHS
14:25<blarson>Astero1D: /usr/local/bin ?
14:25<syd>my 2.4.3-4 is working fine after upgrading
14:25<abrotman>judd: versions pidgin
14:25<judd>abrotman: pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.4.3-4 sid: 2.4.3-4 experimental: 2.5.4-1
14:25<Astero1D>darkk, what's FHS?
14:25<darkk>Astero1D, moreover, you should not install anything to /usr/{bin,lib,...} without using packet manager, /usr/local/{bin,lib,...} is done for that
14:26<darkk>Astero1D, Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
14:26<abrotman>Astero1D: maybe look at stow or checkinstall
14:26<Astero1D>darkk, thanks for all the info, I'll go read now
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14:26<blarson>!tell Astero1D about fhs
14:26<Astero1D>abrotman, what's stow? or checkinstall?
14:27<abrotman>Astero1D: packages .. they have descriptions
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14:27<Astero1D>thanks guys
14:27<Ananth123>Astero1D: just curious.... are those binaries not available in the debian repositories ?
14:28<Astero1D>I've learned more for past 3 days that all my life in Windows
14:28<Astero1D>Ananth123, no, it's eclipse PDT for php
14:28<Astero1D>and Navicat
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14:29<Astero1D>how do I launch somethign without having terminal hang? so that I launch something via terminal but terminal is released?
14:29<Ananth123>put a & at the end of the command
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14:30<Ananth123>if u want the app to be running even after u logout, use nohup before the cmd
14:30<abrotman>or use screen
14:31<blarson>!tell Ananth123 about u
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14:32<blarson>!tell Astero1D about screen
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14:33<Ananth123>Astero1D: its a package ... very useful to have multiple terminal-like interface
14:33<Ananth123>google/man for more info
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14:35<syd>useful link for today:
14:35<syd>useful link for today: 14:28 -!- gillesMo [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
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14:35<XplodingForce>Can someone tell me where I can track the release of lenny? or am I asking something really stupid now?
14:36<darkk>XplodingForce, return back in ~4...5 hours :-)
14:36<abrotman>XplodingForce: /topic
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14:37<XplodingForce>alright, thanks guys :)
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14:39<jcwu>I heard that lenny will be released in few more hours...
14:39<geotribe>interesting news
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14:39<Hideo>when it does, I'm gonna wet myself
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14:43<sunoano>I am using etckeeper. I use aptitude to install/remove etc. packages. Does this mean I have to amend /etc/etckeeper/etckeeper.conf to read HIGHLEVEL_PACKAGE_MANAGER=aptitude instead of HIGHLEVEL_PACKAGE_MANAGER=apt?
14:44<sunoano>or does HIGHLEVEL_PACKAGE_MANAGER=apt reflect both, apt-get and aptitude and one would only have to change it in case he uses e.g. synaptic?
14:44<sunoano>and yes, I read the package README and googled :)
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14:45<sunoano>no indication whatsoever found ...
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14:52<XplodingForce>so, to confirm: The best place to hear any news about releasing lenny is here? i'd love to see the process of the new version being released, but i'm not sure if that's possible. It was awesome to follow their IRC channels when FF3 was released. But I understand that the release won't be for another 4 or 5 hours? That would get quite late where I live XD
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14:52<maxb>sunoano: "apt" as a concept includes APT-get APTitude and synAPTic
14:53<sunoano>maxb: ok, thank you
14:53<maxb>though a quick look at the etckeeper scripts suggests that HIGHLEVEL_PACKAGE_MANAGER is only used in vcs commit messages anyway
14:53<sunoano>that's right; something I was wondering about too ... hm ...
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14:56<jesperj>Ananth123: not sure where I would reinstall the fonts from
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14:57<Ananth123>try some other fonts like...... aptwateva install console-terminus
14:58<Ananth123>this looks better than the default font anyways :)
14:58<Ananth123>you also need to edit /etc/console-tools/config
14:58<XplodingForce>could someone answer my question? would be great
14:58<XplodingForce>or doesn't anybody know?
14:58<meshuggah>and what is your question?
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14:59<XplodingForce>i'll copy it, posted it 7 min's ago:
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14:59<XplodingForce>so, to confirm: The best place to hear any news about releasing lenny is here? i'd love to see the process of the new version being released, but i'm not sure if that's possible. It was awesome to follow their IRC channels when FF3 was released. But I understand that the release won't be for another 4 or 5 hours? That would get quite late where I live XD
15:00<jesperj>is it safe to uninstall console-tools and install kbd?
15:00<rik_>XplodingForce: you can follow it on #debian-release, they update the topic with the current action and you can look at to see what still needs to be done
15:00<meshuggah>xplodingforce : i dunno, i first installed and tried debian this morning at about midnight
15:00<avu>XplodingForce, might be of interest to you. also
15:00<abrotman>XplodingForce: when it happens,it will be announced here among other places
15:00<abrotman>and stop repeating ...
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15:01<meshuggah>abrotman : i asked him to repeat, sorry
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15:02<XplodingForce>abrotman: sorry for the repeat, but i was looking if it is possible to see the developments before the release, not when the release itself happens
15:02<XplodingForce>everyone with an answer: tnx alot :D
15:02<abrotman>kind of late to the party
15:03<meshuggah>i am trying ubuntu 8.10 since 2 weeks, i installed debian this morning, what should I try/do in debian that is better than ubuntu?
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15:03<meshuggah>xplodingforce : try google, he knows everything
15:04<Ananth123>jesperj: i havent tried it but i dont think it should be a problem as console-tools is derived from kbd
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15:04<jesperj>Ananth123: I was thinking if some boot process perhaps rely on console-tools
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15:05<Ananth123>i think they both provide similar or same packages but im not sure
15:05<jesperj>perhaps someone else knows
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15:05<jesperj>thanks though Ananth123
15:05<jesperj>I just dont want to uninstall console-tools and install kbd and get some booting problems
15:05<jesperj>that would suck
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15:06<Ananth123>you can install both :)
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15:06<Ananth123>ahh no
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15:07<Ananth123>i really dont think it should be a problem with kbd
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15:08<jesperj>I hope not.
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15:08<jesperj>I guess I'll wait for someone who is quite sure to second that though before I try
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15:08<jesperj>just to be sure
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15:09<meshuggah>xplodingforce :
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15:09<christoph>I'm having an newly set up PC where automount is not working. Unfortunately this PC is not near any spot with web access. Is there anything I should particularly note about for help here?
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15:12<XplodingForce>meshuggah: thnx, but i'm looking for info which is a little more real-time. Already found that though: the topic of #debian-release in combination with the ReleaseTimetable provides great info. Thnx anyway :D
15:13<meshuggah>xplodingforce : take some coffee and wait! :))
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15:15<meshuggah>The cost of developing Debian 4.0 etch, assuming paid programmers from a single organization and based on source lines of code, has been estimated to be close to US$13 billion. (from wikipedia) Is it true 13 billions?
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15:16<XplodingForce>i guess they're at least using
15:16<XplodingForce>"american" bilions
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15:16<meshuggah>13 milliards de piasses américaine
15:16<MatthiasE>meshuggah: I think that's hard to estimate, because you don't know how much time it took for a developer to code a patch or to make a package etc.
15:17<craigevil>with 20k+ packages across multiple hardware thats probably about right
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15:18<meshuggah>i was thinking it was more like : 1-2 can they make money if they give it? 13 billions short!!!
15:18<meshuggah>it is crazy...
15:19<stew>how do i get my share of the 13 billion plz?
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15:19<meshuggah>stew : kidnap bill gates
15:19<XplodingForce>meshuggah: yes, here in the Netherlands we'd be talking about 13 miljard. Long scale vs short scale
15:19<meshuggah>and sell them his head
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15:19<ben_>does lenny became stable today
15:20<meshuggah>xplodingforce : long/short scale, i dont understand, i am not from north europe, and i dont speak english :)
15:20<christoph>ben_, no
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15:20<meshuggah>what i saw is that the new debian will only remove some bugs...
15:20<meshuggah>and add nothing
15:21<meshuggah>and the debian team is fighting agaisnt themself
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15:21<meshuggah>but i read fast
15:21<meshuggah>maybe i am wrong
15:21<craigevil>that happens when you have 1000+ devs
15:21<ben_>is there any problem with lenny ?
15:22<Torsten_W>yes, too many questions about the release
15:22<meshuggah>iobound : what what?
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15:22<meshuggah>i am trying ubuntu 8.10 since 2 weeks, i installed debian this morning, what should I try/do in debian that is better than ubuntu?
15:22<rpetre>meshuggah: stop listening to gossip-like reporting
15:22<rpetre>use it or not
15:22<XplodingForce>meshuggah: well, basically, al European Continental countries use a system with Million, then Milliard, Then Billion. The British and American (and most other english speaking countries) skip the Milliard, so they will go like Million, then Billion
15:22<ben_>questionning is normal
15:23<sepski>meshuggah, upgrade to a new version without reinstall :)
15:23<meshuggah>rpetre : i will listen to gossip, and i will listen to not-gossip
15:23<boris_>sepski: hehe
15:23<meshuggah>xplodingforce : yes....but 1 billions US$ is still a lot
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15:24<meshuggah>sepski : and how will i do that? i am newbie
15:24<meshuggah>sepski : is it impossible, will it detect changes by itself?
15:25<XplodingForce>yes, it sure is, but you have to "convert" al numbers from a Billion and upwards to a 1000x lower, to make it right in italian or dutch for example. That's the difference between long and short scales (you can look it up on wikipedia)
15:25<iobound>well those billions of dollars are just a though experiment anyway
15:25<sepski>use 10^x damit !
15:25<XplodingForce>that's a lot more clear yeah
15:25<XplodingForce>sorry for the terrible english by the way
15:25<rpetre>i like the "megabucks" and "gigabucks" terms, myself :)
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15:26<meshuggah>xplodingforce : my brain do it immediatly when i see US billion :) is a lot anyway...i win about 20 000 CAN$ per year....
15:26<meshuggah>xplodingforce : dont say sorry, mine is worst
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15:27<XplodingForce>you could use "cost of etch development by a private company" and "cost of US economic stimulus plan" if you want a more clear notation :p
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15:27*Myon spots some lurkers
15:27<pusling>yeah. dato is lurking
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15:28<Myon>says the long-term regular
15:28<meshuggah>xplodingforce : you live in Norvège?
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15:29<rpetre>Myon: most of us are here for the upcoming historic announcement :)
15:29<pusling>coming down from the ivory tower ;)
15:29<rpetre>a debian release actually on time... sorta :)
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15:30<dato>w/ii rpetre
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15:31<rpetre>what? not?
15:31<meebey>so will we beat ##1234567890?
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15:32<steffan>!lenny status
15:32<dpkg>Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 14, 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress
15:32<dato>so, has been any #debian-release digests posted here by somebody during the day? I just did them on #debian-devel because I was already there, but forgot about #debian.
15:32<dato>if nobody did them, I came by to do one :-)
15:33<abrotman>the ISO generation is the last we've been told AFAIK
15:33<abrotman>and Ganneff's blog post with the timeline
15:33<dato>okay, right
15:33<dato>all went well in the morning
15:33<dato>and images are being generated
15:34<XplodingForce>meshuggah: nope, i live in the Netherlands. The language is a bit like that in Norway though
15:34<abrotman>but now there's a problem?!
15:34<dato>they still need quite a few more hours, that's all
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15:34<dato>abrotman: no :)
15:34<abrotman>I'm afraid I can't do that Dave
15:34<Myon>dpkg: lenny status =~ s/Feb 14/Feb 1[45]/
15:34<dpkg>OK, Myon
15:34<meshuggah>so Netherlands is Finlande?
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15:34<sepski>last i heard was that sources was finished and amd64 was started the order beeing ARCHES="i386 source amd64 multi powerpc alpha arm armel hppa ia64 mips mipsel s390 sparc" means there is quite some time left in the build
15:34<Ikarus>XplodingForce: written old norwegian is almost identical
15:35<jesperj>FYI the problem with Terminus-fonts wider than 8 pixels resulting in an error when loaded with consolechars, the fonts worked when I switched to kbd, so I guess that might mean there is a bug in consolechars
15:35<jesperj>or whatever, the fonts works with kbd anyway
15:35<XplodingForce>meshugaah, no, what language do you speak, i'll search for the name in that language, the Netherlands is a small country, west of Germany
15:35<rpetre>dato: when are primary mirrors estimated to receive the new bits ? i'm a mirror operator and would like to insure a quick sync
15:36<XplodingForce>@ Ikarus, yes, i've heard that
15:36<meshuggah>xplodingforce : les pays-bas!! i found it, i speak french
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15:36<XplodingForce>ah, oui
15:36<Myon>rpetre: don't you get pushed for mirror pulses?
15:36<rpetre>i'm secondary
15:36<rpetre>i pull from primaries
15:36<rpetre>hello from Romania, btw ;)
15:36<meshuggah>xplodingforce : i have learnt something today!
15:36<Myon>I thought the primaries would push secondaries themselves, or something
15:37<meshuggah>hello from Québec, a french country in the canada country
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15:37<Myon>probably depends on the primary's admin
15:37<sepski>Myon, perhaps you should follow #debian-mirrors
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15:37<rpetre>sepski: you mean me
15:37<sepski>hmm yes
15:37<rpetre>i'll check, thanks
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15:37<meshuggah>abrotman : we wants to quit canada, and do our french-country in the all-english north america
15:37<abrotman>funny joke
15:38<meshuggah>abrotman : joke?
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15:38<Guest1333>when does the new debian come out?
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15:38<Myon>we can tell you speak French from the extra spaces
15:38<abrotman>Guest1333: /topic
15:38<meshuggah>abrotman : currently, the %$% english wants to celebrate in Québec, the day when they slaughtered us in 1700's
15:38<XplodingForce>meshuggah: I guess abrotman is a english canadian :p
15:39<iobound>are you gonna start a civil war
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15:39*abrotman points at #debian-offtopic
15:39<XplodingForce>I think this really isn't the place for political discussions by the way ;)
15:39<meshuggah>iobound : war?!?! we are all little peaceful-sheeps
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15:39<meshuggah>xplodingforce : no it is not the place, but it is still good
15:40<meshuggah>nobody is asking question, i want to put more live in this channel!! :)
15:40<meshuggah>if you want me to stop, i will
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15:42<barnes>anyone tried nginx and ncache?
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15:42<meshuggah>so nobody knows what i should do/try in debian, to like it more than ubuntu?
15:43<Wezz6400>meshuggah use it as your main os for a while
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15:43<phrosty>i've never used ubuntu, was under the impression it was basically a middle ground between testing and unstable
15:43<barnes>meshuggah if you like ubuntu better why are you trying to do debian as ubuntu why not just stick to ubuntu?
15:43<meshuggah>wezz : yes it will be what i will do, i think it is faster than ubuntu...i have an old p4 1.5 ghz with 256 mb ram
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15:44<meshuggah>barnes : cause if i had the time/hd space i will install every os on the earth, to see which i like best
15:44<meebey>phrosty: rumors says ubuntu is debian with bugs
15:44<XplodingForce>meshuggah: you do know that ubuntu is based on debian right?
15:44<gravity>meshuggah: They're not really all that different. You might like Debian more if you like constantly rolling upgrades either somewhat tested (testing) or more on the edge of development (unstable). Ubuntu doesn't really allow that, but it's nice if you want a 6 month upgrade cycle with basic bug fixes.
15:44<meshuggah>xplodingforce : yes, it is why i installed it this morning
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15:45<gravity>meshuggah: Also, Debian and Ubuntu have distinct, though related communities. If you prefer one community to the other, that can play a factor. Basically the software is the same though.
15:45<meshuggah>meebey : i didnt saw bugs in ubuntu, and since i am trying debian i didnt saw bugs(2hr of trying yet :)
15:45<XplodingForce>ubuntu is basically debian with a lot of extra stuff to make it more user-friendly for beginning linux users and it isn't as strict as debian-stable with packages, so it is more up-to date. Furthermore what gravity said
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15:46<XplodingForce>i don't think you're going to find a lot of bugs in debian stable ;p
15:46<gravity>I can find a zillion of them
15:46<meshuggah>gravity : first in ubuntu irc server/channel, there is about 1400 people, only 400 here
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15:47<abrotman>meshuggah: #debian on freenode has over 900 .. but many of those in any channel are lurkers ..
15:47<meshuggah>xplodingforce : i have read that they are very conservative about when it is stable
15:47<abrotman>and of course .. there is quantity vs quantity
15:47<XplodingForce>gravity: real bugs, or just things you don't like :p?
15:47<meshuggah>what is the meaning of lurkers?
15:47<abrotman>erm .. quality
15:47<gravity>XplodingForce: Real bugs. Check the BTS.
15:47<rpetre>i usually found testing exceptionally good, too, maybe except a few months right after release, when new stuff starts pouring in
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15:47<gravity>XplodingForce: stable releases with tons of bugs, just very very few release critical bugs.
15:47<meshuggah>abrotman : currently i do not see quality difference
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15:47<miksuh>meshuggah: well there is 950 guys in #debian on freenode :)
15:47<abrotman>use what works best for you ..
15:47<meshuggah>the only difference i see, is with 14yr old kid on winshit xp/vista
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15:48<gravity>meshuggah: You're not going to see a big difference with only a few minutes of use. It takes months of use to really make an impact when they're so similar.
15:48<XplodingForce>@ gravity, yeah i meant finding new bugs ofcourse :p, as a new user
15:48<gravity>meshuggah: I evaluated Ubuntu for three release cycles (about a year and a quarter) before I felt like I had a sense of how it is compared to Debian.
15:48<rpetre>also, it helps trying something else from time to time, just to realise how spoiled you are with debian :)
15:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 435] by debhelper
15:49<meshuggah>gravity : yes i know, but i am asking more experienced person than me :) if i can learn from other, it is way faster than learning by myslef
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15:49<meshuggah>i find it faster, that is a great things
15:49<noflash> /ignore -replies meshuggah
15:49<meshuggah>noflash is ignoring me ?
15:51<XplodingForce>he tried, but he's a noob, and used the command incorrectly; or he's just a jerk who's trying to tell you he doesn't like you
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15:51<XplodingForce>@ noflash, comeon, this is a channel about debian, can't someone ask for a comparison between debian and ubuntu here?
15:52<meshuggah>xplodingforce : maybe i speak too much, but i dont think i said something insulting or bad...i am currently saying that i think i will like debian more than ubuntu cause it is faster
15:52<craigevil>no ubuntu is offtopic
15:52<meshuggah>ubuntu come from debian....we cant talk about children of debian?
15:52<XplodingForce>something about ubuntu only is offtopic, but is a comparison between debian and ubuntu?
15:53<sepski>meshuggah, you have any idea how many childre debian have.... we'd never get to do any debian talking... this is the grown up channel
15:53<abrotman>really ubuntu is offtopic here
15:53<sepski>the kids have their own children rooms
15:54<sepski>when on the children metaphor allready. does anyone know if debian have older then grandchildren ? :)
15:54<XplodingForce>well sepski, at the moment, there isn't a lot of debian talk. And i understand that something about ubuntu is offtopic, but a comparison between debian and <other distribution> isn't IMO
15:54<abrotman>yes, it really is
15:54<XplodingForce>yeah? well, ok
15:54<Myon>XplodingForce: this isn't a discussion, it is just repeating the same non-facts/questions
15:54<sepski>XplodingForce, there is #debian-offtopic
15:54<meshuggah>1. debian faster...2.ubuntu community better
15:55<XplodingForce>alright, sorry for the disruption then
15:55<dpkg>i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
15:55<pusling>hah. ubuntu community is full of crap, at least the part of the community with commit acces to their repository
15:55<Myon>meshuggah: my condolences if you are deriving that just from the size of irc channels
15:55<meshuggah>opinion is not meaningless
15:56<dblem>meshuggah, just because you can get a group hug from the ubuntu community, no matter how annoying you are, doesn't necessarily make it better ;)
15:56<Myon>meshuggah: just try to be less noisy, thanks
15:56<rrr69>ubuntu sucks
15:56<meshuggah>myon : no, i am not deriving from size, i am comparing with are saying me to stfu, when i only ask the difference with 2 OS
15:57<meshuggah>ok ok i will stfu
15:57<abrotman>because this channel is for Debian support .. not comparisons of Debian to every other distro in the world
15:57<XplodingForce>back to debian: multiplatform builds of lenny are ready :D
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15:57<steffan>!ubuntu pretty much explains it.
15:57<dpkg>pretty much explains it.: please take your ubuntu question to #ubuntu on as they are able to help you much better with ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian and #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced ubuntu users.
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15:58<meshuggah>DAMN..i am not asking ubuntu question, i am asking about DEBIAN difference
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15:58<gravity>I already answered that question
15:58<rrr69>see you !! enjoy #debian-fr
15:58<mastroquet>XplodingForce: lenny was to be released today, wasn't it? You mean it could be a matter of hours now?
15:59<craigevil>meshuggah: google there are many articles on the differences
15:59<meshuggah>how can i upgrade to version 5 ?
15:59<abrotman>mastroquet: not technically released yet
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15:59<pusling>meshuggah: as a anonymous canonical employee once said, ubuntu is just debian with added bugs.
15:59<abrotman>meshuggah: which version of debian did you install ?
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15:59<abrotman>if you want to discuss ubuntu, please go to #ubuntu or #debian-offtopic
15:59<meshuggah>abrotman : the last one, the 4 something...i downloaded the netinst this morning
15:59<avu>!tell meshuggah about etch->lenny
15:59<XplodingForce>it's not released yet, but if you look here: , they're at mirror team now
15:59<abrotman>meshuggah: yes, which one ?
15:59<meshuggah>yes etch
16:00<abrotman>meshuggah: see what the dpkg bot just told you
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16:00<jesperj>Does anyone know of a tool that converts TTF/truetype fonts to PSF/console fonts?
16:00<dr|z3d>At the end of the day, if Debian, Ubuntu, Suse or any other Linux distro takes market share away from MS, we're winning. That's the thing to focus on, not inter-distro feuds.
16:01<abrotman>please drop it
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16:03<stepomaticc>love debian love ubuntu love openbsd love opensource
16:04<abrotman>please drop it
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16:04<meshuggah>you know he is right...
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16:07<mastroquet>stepomaticc : I agree with you, but there's an item in your list that's quite wronf, regarding free softawre
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16:08<sepski>XplodingForce, no it's still at cdbuild team.
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16:09<mastroquet>stepomaticc: the second one is clearly not free software ;)
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16:10<Myon>mastroquet: EOD
16:11<XplodingForce>@ sepski: yeah, i'm sorry, just saw that, I misinterpreted an earlier announcement. CDbuild is nearly finished though
16:11<stepomaticc>mastroquet: let's drop it ;)
16:11<stew>XplodingForce: no, it won't be finished for several more hours
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16:12<sepski>just started building ppc. so there is still alpha arm armel hppa ia64 mips mipsel s390 sparc left
16:12<billybigrigger>is there anyway to see what kind of transfer speed im getting when copying files between my 2 hdd's?
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16:12<meshuggah>how can i make iceweasel my default web broweser?
16:13<iobound>billybigrigger: "iostat 1"
16:13<abrotman>meshuggah: in what?
16:13<stew>meshuggah: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
16:13<Myon>billybigrigger: or rsync -P
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16:13<XplodingForce>sepski: oh, yeah, sorry again, I looked only at the main arch's. I'll shut up about stuff I don't know much about
16:13<meshuggah>stew : it dont work, it cant find update-alternatives
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16:14<abrotman>meshuggah: as root
16:14<meshuggah>ho ok
16:15<meshuggah>it works, thank you
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16:17<meshuggah>dpkg said me some things about upgrading to lenny, but i dont know what it is meaning by and how to do that : Subscribe to <d-d-a>
16:17<dpkg>meshuggah: what are you talking about?
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16:17<abrotman>you can probably ignore that now
16:17*abrotman removes that
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16:18<patrikf>meshuggah: otherwise, <d-d-a> would have meant that you could ask dpkg about d-d-a in turn
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16:18<patrikf>meshuggah: but for this specific issue, what abrotman said
16:18<meshuggah>what is d-d-a ???
16:18<dpkg>debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process and it's your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' < /dev/null" or Ask me about <apt-listchanges>
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16:22<meshuggah>in debian, how can i check for the type of rambus rdram i have? i want to buy more, 256mb is really not enough
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16:23<stew>meshuggah: try dmidecode
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16:27<meshuggah>stew : with this command, i can only see how much i have...not the kind...but it is saying me that : Maximum Memory Module Size: 128 MB Maximum Total Memory Size: 512 MB, does it means that i can only install 512 mb ram max? or can i change that with a bios setting or with moving a jumper?
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16:27<stew>meshuggah: no idea
16:27<billybigrigger>iobound, iostat shows speeds in what? kb/sec?
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16:28<sepski>meshuggah, a bios upgrade might also do something with those contraints
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16:28<meshuggah>sepski : ok, i think i have not installed the last bios upgrade for my motherboard
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16:34<flami> /msg dpkg lenny status
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16:37<LL00> or which one is official one?
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16:38<gpb>according to the topic which refers to .org only
16:38<mastroquet>good night everyone
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16:39<LL00>what is .net? for release team right now?
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16:39<Latino>for the lulz
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16:40<LL00>what mean lulz?
16:40<gpb> is the secret new pagge for debian
16:40<gpb>get squeeze stable here
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16:40*flami gets the guns (with free lead bullets )
16:41<Latino>LL00 it's a really bad joke
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16:43<gpb>i know....
16:44<gpb>my ability for good jokes was damaged years ago while using MSDOS 3.0
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16:44<meshuggah>lol, i was 8yr old when using msdos 3.0...maybe it is why i only say bad jokes...
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16:51<gpb>ahhh, debian needs some sort of blog while countdown to new release runs
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16:51<edwin>dpkg should msg us every time the lenny status is updated
16:51<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, edwin
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16:52<stryke>is lenny being released today
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16:52<gpb>ne, lenny will be co-released with Windows 7
16:53<gpb>real answer: read the topic
16:53<gpb>!dpkg tell stryke about lenny status
16:53<meshuggah>stryke : yes
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16:54<zulu>sorry for this stupid question but I can't ping my eth0 interface (my iptables allows it INPUT and OUTPUT)
16:54<Scott-Steiner>I'm trying to configure X to use my external monitor by default and not my laptop screen. But when I follow the guide at I don't get the same results in my xorg.conf file. I only get generic settings: Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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16:54<Latino>zulu, is eth0 up?
16:55<zulu>ifconfig tells so :)
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16:55<iobound>how many packages in lenny are identical with the etch packages? (no rebuilds, same md5sum?)
16:55<ansgar>zulu: Can you reach the interface via TCP?
16:55<gpb>which etch release?
16:56<iobound>r7 perhaps?
16:56<zulu>yes I can connect to it with another host using ssh
16:56<bzed>iobound: probably... 10 :)
16:56<bzed>iobound: that's a wild guess... but not many
16:56<ansgar>zulu: Maybe you drop ICMP or ICMP echo requests somewhere?
16:56<gpb>I had only half of my packages or so updating from r5 to lenny
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16:57<miksuh>iobound: almost none, not many anyway
16:57<iobound>is absolutely everything rebuilt when libc is bumped?
16:57<zulu>ACCEPT all --
16:58<zulu>tells iptable concerning INPUT
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16:58<zulu>for OUTPUT my policy is ACCEPT
16:58<zulu>did I miss something?
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16:58<ansgar>zulu: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all can also ignore echo requests.
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16:59<ansgar>zulu: Does it work with no iptables rules? (and ACCEPT as default policy of course)
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17:00<zulu>ansgar I even can't use ssh to logon on eth0 from the localhost using
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17:02<JordiGH>!lenny status
17:02<dpkg>Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress
17:02<Scott`Steiner> I'm trying to configure X to use my external monitor by default and not my laptop screen. But when I follow the guide at I don't get the same results in my xorg.conf file. I only get generic settings: Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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17:16<billybigrigger>have most of the show stopper amd64 bugs been worked out? currently im running lenny i386 on my amd x2 5000 and was wondering if i should switch over to amd64 today
17:16<patrikf>abiword will crash on amd64 if you open the styles dialog
17:16<billybigrigger>its mostly a file/print server, and i watch the odd x264 movie on it...
17:17<billybigrigger>i don't do any OO work on it
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17:17<billybigrigger>but i guess abiword isn't part of OO now is it :P
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17:18<blal>how do i dist-upgrade from etch to Ubuntu fistey?
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17:18<billybigrigger>blal, you can't
17:18<billybigrigger>blal, download the ubuntu install image
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17:18<billybigrigger>blal, and fiesty is about 3 releases old
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17:20<billybigrigger>blal, do you understand that debian and ubuntu are 2 totally different distributions of linux? ubuntu stems from debian, but they are not cross-compatible with each other, you can't dist-upgrade between them
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17:22<mateus>does ubuntu pass stuff back to debian or just take from?
17:23<gravity>Some stuff gets passed or taken back to Debian
17:23<gpb>it does pass back at least bug reports
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17:26<blal>we're both right
17:27<blal>also, i wanted xubuntu
17:27<blal>not that that point's material
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17:28<Corsac>what a weird idea
17:28<mateus>blal: why not upgrade to lenny?
17:29<blal>thats just not the same thing
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17:29<Corsac>my point
17:30<mateus>blal: your right. lenny would be more advanced than ubuntu feisty. 8)
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17:30<blal>its got lazers n shiz...
17:31<mateus>how close is ubuntu 9.04 to sid?
17:31<Txt-file>mateus: in what?
17:32*mateus is just trying to better understand ubuntu and debian relationship.
17:32<mateus>does bleeding edge version of ubuntu pilfer a lot from sid?
17:32<gravity>There's a wiki page somewhere describing it
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17:33<mateus>when I do ubuntu updates (and there are a lot compared to debian), it oftens says fix from debian upstream.
17:33<Knorrie>what i learned, ubuntu uses some combination of testing+unstable, hacks a lot of user-experience stuff above and releases it
17:34<mateus>so I wondered if that was coming from sid or testing fixes.
17:34<Knorrie>testing fixes usually come from sid
17:34<Knorrie>unless it's testing-security which has been there for some time now, to get some really important fixes right into testing
17:35<Knorrie>(correct me if i'm wrong)
17:35<gravity> explains how Ubuntu does what they do
17:35<mateus>yeah, that's nice compared to what it used to read "testing security fixes are not guaranteed to be timely"
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17:36<Knorrie>"but a bug which is release-critical for Debian may not be as important for Ubuntu."
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17:37<Knorrie>the rules are different
17:37<Knorrie>debian likes to stick to it's rules, even when it delays a release
17:37*Knorrie personally likes that
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17:37<gravity>Anyway, it's far better to ask such things in Ubuntu channels. They're the active party in most cases. Debian itself is what's on-topic here, not Ubuntu.
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17:38<blal>what if they say to ask in the Debian channel?
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17:38<mateus>I use both and since they are related quite a bit imo, thought it to be ontopic to discuss their relationship.
17:39<Knorrie>blal: #ubuntu is populated with ubuntu users asking questions, you never get an answeer
17:39<gpb>tell them since they are based on debian and not vice versa they should be able to tell differences :)
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17:39<Knorrie>the ppl who now stuff do not want to talk about #debian in #ubuntu :)
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17:39*Knorrie shuts up
17:39<gravity>blal: It's their problem.
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17:40<blal>ours too
17:40<gravity>blal: Not really.
17:40<alexxoid>hi guys, does anybody have been setuped a voxware metasound decoder?
17:41<goodtime>if i realy am going to find out theres way
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17:41<goodtime>just read stuff
17:42<goodtime>theres torrents
17:42<Rababa>I installed the world of warcraft on debian and when its supposed to start it dissapears
17:42<Rababa>im using wine
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17:42<goodtime>not everything works in wine
17:42<Ikarus>WoW does
17:42<Rababa>yea but wow does
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17:42<Ikarus>Rababa: tried starting it in a terminal and checking what errors you get ?
17:43<Rababa>what do you think the problem could be
17:43<Txt-file>Rababa: what wine version?
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17:46<adfasdf>i'm trying to install vmware, but when trying to configure it i get this:
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17:47<fluor>hey there
17:47<fluor>is aptitude the default package manager under Lenny, or is it apt-get?
17:47<billybigrigger>adfasdf, you have the wrong gcc version
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17:48<fluor>is apt-get considered deprecated, or does it remain a valid option?
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17:48<billybigrigger>/tmp/vmware-config3/vmmon-only/Makefile:126: *** Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 4.3.2 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.1.3.
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17:48<billybigrigger>/tmp/vmware-config3/vmmon-only/Makefile:128: *** For proper build you'll have to replace gcc-4.1 with symbolic link to /usr/bin/gcc. Stop.
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17:48<billybigrigger>adfasdf, lines 46 and 47
17:48<gravity>fluor: It's still a valid option, although in most cases aptitude is better.
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17:48<adfasdf>so ci can just make a symbolic link, how do i do that?
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17:49<billybigrigger>adfasdf, ln -s creates a symlink
17:49<fluor>gravity: thanks; I heard a rumour that apt-get would be back as the default for Lenny; shall I assume this is not true,?
17:49<mallards>make sure to install the packages they list on step 2
17:50<gravity>fluor: Is there really a "default"?
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17:50<gravity>fluor: I mean, you choose what to run, right?
17:50<billybigrigger>adfasdf, btw, what version of debian?
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17:50<fluor>gravity: right. I guess I'll stick with apt-get then
17:50<billybigrigger>adfasdf, in my lenny repo gcc version is 4:4.3.2-2
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17:51<adfasdf>yeah that's what i have installed
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17:51<yanlu>I have a question considering dns resolving. seems very basics. I'm running into walls after having checks all the options stated in the wiki
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17:51<yanlu>yeez, I should first try to type slower :/ so many spellings errors ...
17:52<billybigrigger>adfasdf, apt-get update doesnt update anything?
17:52<yanlu>should I just braindump my problem or is someone willing to listen :)
17:52<billybigrigger>adfasdf, err apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
17:53<mallards>yanlu - go for it
17:53<petemc>yanlu: there should be nothing more to it than having the address of a working nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf
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17:53<yanlu>ok, so today I took the leap to go from etch to lenny. All worked out, everything is up and running except dns resolving
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17:53<chealer>fluor: there is no default package manager
17:53<yanlu>resolving works fine until it tries to connect to the dns itself
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17:54<billybigrigger>adfasdf, read that, its about install vmware on lenny with your same problem
17:54<yanlu>I connect through a gateway which also is my dhcp server
17:54<fluor>the etch release notes advocated aptitude though
17:54<yanlu>behind the gateway are my dns servers located
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17:54<mallards>yanlu - it has "nameserver" or something
17:54<yanlu>I can ping them
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17:55<yanlu> /etc/resolv.conf has two entries which have been pushed by the dhcp server
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17:55<yanlu>these entries work, e.g. on other machines also configured with this dhcp server
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17:56<mallards>yanlu- can you paste your config?
17:56<yanlu>the resolv.conf?
17:56<yanlu>nameserver 88159.1.200
17:56<yanlu>nameserver 88159.1.201
17:57<mallards>do the other systems on the network have the same ip's?
17:58<yanlu>as configured for their dns servers? then, yes
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17:58<tuxcrafter>why does this not work with gnome-terminal :-S /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator --execute screen -m -S ssh-tunnel
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17:58<mallards>ok - can you traceroute those ip's?
17:58<tuxcrafter>--execute does not seem to work
17:58<yanlu>yes, with -n ofcourse
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18:00<yanlu>my /etc/nsswitch.conf states:
18:00<yanlu>hosts: files dns mdns
18:00<yanlu>among other, for now, irrelevant lines of course
18:00<petemc>yanlu: did you say resolving works?
18:00<adfasdf>well i fixed the gcc error and now i get this error
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18:01<mallards>yanlu - what does /etc/hosts have in it?
18:01<yanlu>lots :)
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18:01<yanlu>the lodown:
18:02<yanlu>,, 7 internal addresses and ipv6 defaults
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18:03<yanlu>iptables is empty, I flushed it and made sure INPUT FORWARD and OUTPUT are accepting connections
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18:04<yanlu>when a process is trying to resolve you can see the udp connection in netstat but nothing is returned
18:04<mallards>yanlu- have you tried completely shutting down iptables
18:04<dblem>adfasdf, is that really ver. 1.0.0 in line #34? Try 1.0.8, I'd be surprised if x.0 built against 2.6.26.
18:04<steffan>!lenny status
18:04<dpkg>Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress
18:04<yanlu>mallards: how would you propose todo this. unloading the module?
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18:05<yanlu>rmmod iptable_filer; rmmod ip_tables
18:06<mallards>yanlu - /etc/init.d/iptables stop
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18:06<yanlu>I do not have a iptables init.d script
18:06<petemc>nor does debian
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18:07<yanlu>then that is correct since I am currently running lenny ;)
18:07<yanlu>ip_tables module has been unloaded
18:07<petemc>yanlu: is the gateway doing firewalling? have you tried other nameservers?
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18:08<yanlu>petemc: yes it firewalls but only for the entire network not on a host by host basis. other machines in the same network can resolve hosts through the same dns servers
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18:10<yanlu>yanlu: I have just tried three different nameservers from other isp's but none work. I still define the problem as "local"
18:10<petemc>can you telnet to port 53 of the dns servers?
18:11<mallards>good question petemc
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18:11<yanlu>yes using nc I can connect over tcp and udp
18:11<mallards>telnet 53'
18:11<yanlu>but I do not recieve any response when I enter data and linebreak it (enter)
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18:13<petemc>yanlu: are any of the other hosts inside the network capable of running dns temporarily?
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18:14<petemc>i generally blame firewalls until i can completely rule them out
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18:14<Astero1D>how can I check what driver is being used by my video card?
18:14<Astero1D>I have 2 computers and both have problems running games
18:14<Astero1D>One has ATi Radeon 9600 and other one is ATI Redeon HD 3600
18:14<yanlu>I have disabled the firewall to this ip address, and placed it into a DMZ
18:15<petemc>being in a dmz doesnt sound like unfettered access
18:15<mallards>yanlu - when did the problem start happening?
18:16<yanlu>it means it now really doesnt interfere with the NAT forwarding from and to this machine ...
18:16<petemc>if you say so
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18:17<mallards>which filesystem offers the best performance for compact flash over IDE?
18:18<chealer>Astero1D: you can check xorg.conf, unless you're using lenny.
18:18<gpb>ah... welcome lenny
18:18<gpb> points stable to lenny now
18:18<yanlu>gpb: really?
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18:18*gpb orders a round of champagne
18:19<gpb>lrwxrwxrwx 1 1176 1176 5 Feb 14 22:52 stable -> lenny
18:19<yanlu>happy valentines day then
18:19<yanlu>I am really getting frustrated by my dns resolve problem here though
18:19<yanlu>I cannot seem to find the problem
18:20<mallards>yanlu - when did the problem start
18:20<Astero1D>chealer, I am using Lenny
18:20<yanlu>mallards: after upgrading to lenny :/
18:21<mallards>yanlu - hate to say it, but have you tried a format/reload?
18:21<Astero1D>Is there any chat room or forum that "specializes" in gaming and linux? I need to get my video cards working right
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18:21<yanlu>mallards: how do you mean format/reload?
18:22<mallards>format drive, install debian from cd
18:22<mallards>fresh install
18:22<yanlu>this has been a running system for quite some months on etch
18:22<gpb>what is your exact problem?
18:22<petemc>do you have dig installed on the machine?
18:22<Jooon>Astero1D: you can probably check the forum at
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18:22<gpb>haven't read for a while
18:22<petemc>yanlu: does dig +trace work?
18:23<gpb>do you get no dns resolved?
18:23<yanlu>mallards: I will not backdown for something trivial as a dns resolve problem
18:23<yanlu>petemc: dig is running your command now
18:23<gpb>I'd look if my dns packets leave my machine with wireshark....
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18:23<yanlu>petemc: ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
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18:24<petemc>yanlu: it would be useful if you could use a nameserver not through a firewall
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18:24<mallards>maybe the firewall offers dns service?
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18:25<yanlu>gpb: tcpdump shows only outgoing dns connections
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18:26<yanlu>no packets coming back
18:26<yanlu>smells more and more like a sick gateway/fireall to me
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18:26<LeVaK>did debian change the stable release from etch to lenny lately?
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18:26<yanlu>LeVaK: at 22:52 on 14th of feb 2009
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18:27<LeVaK>cos apt just notified me of some strange thing:)
18:27<LeVaK>and i don't see any news on
18:28<chealer>Astero1D: if xorg.conf doesn't tell, you can check X's log
18:28<themill>LeVaK: make sure you have "etch" in your sources.list not "stable" until you have read the release notes and you are sure you are ready to upgrade.
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18:28<gpb>outgoing but no incoming?
18:28<LeVaK>yep, changes to etch right now....
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18:29<gpb>yeah, sounds like strange filter somewhere
18:29<malinha> /server
18:29<LeVaK>themill: where can I find release notes?
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18:29<rutski>I was just surprised to learn that apt-cache (show|showpkg|showsrc) don't show license information
18:29<themill>dpkg: tell LeVaK about lenny release notes
18:29<rutski>is there anything I can do from here?
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18:29<billybigrigger>how can i find out what version of libsdl i have installed?
18:30<rutski>billybigrigger: try "dpkg -l | grep libsdl"
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18:30<rutski>although there is probably a better way
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18:31<billybigrigger>i have a newer version of sdl installed, but when compiling freedroid i get this error...
18:31<billybigrigger>checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.3... no
18:31<billybigrigger>configure: error: *** SDL version 1.2.3 not found!
18:31<yanlu>argh, I have made the gateway to relay dns and now it works
18:31<billybigrigger>but the command you gave me reports i have 1.2.6 installed
18:32<yanlu>but all in all I dont want that to be the case :)
18:32<yanlu>but, working system
18:32<chealer>rutski: to get license information?
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18:32<rutski>chealer: right, via a command line tool, given a package name
18:32<yanlu>mallards: petemc: gpb: thx
18:32<randu>hi how can i find what type of video card i have and what drives are installed
18:33<billybigrigger>Mirrors now show stable => lenny. <===== 8-) getting closer
18:33<gpb>rutski: just don't use "non-free" and know the rest is free :D
18:33<chealer>rutski: $ pager /usr/share/doc/foo/copyright
18:33<gpb>before installing? don't know another way
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18:33<rutski>chealer: I don't have said packages installed
18:33<rutski>and would prefer to get the info without installing them
18:34<rutski>heh, yea :(
18:34<rutski>ah, well my concern is about dvipng, you see
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18:34<rutski>I'm wondering if I can use its output in a commercial project
18:34<rutski>I suppose the question generalized to any GPL'ed project
18:35<rutski>can the output be used in a commercial project?
18:35<rutski>wait... heh, silly me; of course it can
18:35<gpb>you *could* use something like
18:35<rutski>ah, indeed I could
18:35<gpb>so if you know the package name and version (gettable from dpkg) build some http request etc
18:35<chealer>rutski: oh. then not really, except what gpb wrote
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18:36<gpb>not the best idea, but....
18:36<Astero1D>How do I find out the name and model of my video card in Lenny?
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18:36<chealer>randu: for the video card, use lspci
18:36<rutski>yea, it's not; I just poked around and saw that the license file names aren't uniform
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18:37<rutski>randu: "glxinfo | grep renderer" might also be of interest
18:38<chealer>Astero1D: you'll find it in lspci
18:38<rutski>oh, oops; that glxinfo thing was @ Astero1D
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18:49<steffan>doesn't look like we're going to get lenny then.
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18:50<steffan>but saying that, 11 minutes left.
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18:50<JordiGH>What's this harbinging of doom?
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18:50<themill>!lenny status
18:50<dpkg>Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny.
18:50<JordiGH>Oh, for UTC time.
18:51<maxb>lenny's released
18:51<JordiGH>There's still 8 hours left for lenny to be on time where I am, mate.
18:51<Astero1D>where exactly in xorg.log is the section thatd escribes what driveris used for my video card?
18:51<steffan>maxb: i only checked dpkg about 30 minutes ago, how long ago was it released?
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18:52<themill>depends what you call released... mirrors are starting to show lenny as stable, but there are no ISOs yet and no announcement.
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18:52<maxb>maxb@aao:~$ wget -q -O- | fgrep Codename
18:52<maxb>Codename: lenny
18:52<LeVaK>would it be safe to upgrade etch to lenny on WAMP server or should I wait for a month ?
18:52<LL00>hum they all gone to bed
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18:52<themill>LeVaK: depends what the W stands for.
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18:52<JordiGH>LeVaK: Wait for the release notes, but I think they're up already.
18:52<LeVaK>LAMP ivn
18:52<LL00>release announce will be at 6 UTC
18:52<gpb>lenny *should* have less bugs than etch right now
18:52<steffan>LL00: any idea what that is GMT?
18:52<nmd202>so i'm looking for a way to use locate to generate a list of files then have all the files it finds deleted
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18:53<abrotman>nmd202: xargs
18:53<gpb>Utc = gMT in winter
18:53<steffan>nmd202: what will you be 'locate'ing?
18:53<JordiGH>steffan: UTC is GMT without BST.
18:53<gpb>ok, some seconds difference
18:53<steffan>so 6AM?
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18:53<nmd202>steffman: index.dat files
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18:53<nmd202>on a nt drive
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18:53<LL00>yep, they asleep
18:53<steffan>nmd202: so you will be doing 'locate index.dat'?
18:54<steffan>ugh, that sucks. i'll be dreaming by then.
18:54<JordiGH>nmd202: find / -name "some*file" -exec rm {} \;
18:54<gpb>find /mnt/ntdrive -name "index.dat | xargs rm
18:54<JordiGH>nmd202: But this is slower than locate.
18:54<mallards>i thought CST is -6 hours from UTC
18:54<LL00>but all isos are oon ftp
18:54<gpb>find /mnt/ntdrive -name "index.dat" | xargs rm
18:54<LL00>for most archs
18:54<chealer>Astero1D: could you paste your xorg.log?
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18:54<steffan>yes, that.
18:54<JordiGH>gpb: find's exec option!
18:54<gpb>because locate already did the find run it's of course faster
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18:55<gpb>exec is slower quite often
18:55*steffan sets his alarm cloak.
18:55<steffan>clock*, even.
18:55<gpb>exec opens rm for each file, xargs not
18:55<JordiGH>gpb: I'm not sure that locate can pipe stuff to xargs like that, though. Whitespace is a bitch.
18:55<LL00>steffan, are you from germany?
18:55<steffan>LL00: no, UK
18:56<themill>JordiGH: it can, but use the appropriate options to cope with spaces in names.
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18:56<JordiGH>gpb: Unless the number of files is in the tens of thousands, I kinda doubt it matters.
18:56<gpb>i didn't use locate...
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18:56<nmd202>themill: yeah, i just got caught up on the spaces in the paths
18:56<JordiGH>themill: -d0 and whatnot. Can locate also output it?
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18:56<gpb>but if you really insist use -print0 in find and -0 in xargs options
18:56<themill>man locate, -0
18:57<JordiGH>themill: Yeah, found it.
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18:57<avu>xargs with find is mostly useless thanks to -exec
18:57<avu>the saying 'exec starts the argument for each file' is so very out of date
18:57<JordiGH>So I enabled colour in my bash prompt, but I don't like the colour suggested in Debian's .bashrc. It's a bright green. Where are xterm colour codes documented?
18:57<avu>GNU find has had the + option for a LONG time now
18:57<gpb>-exec is a bitch if you want to use more than one command per find....
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18:58<gpb>+ option?
18:58<gpb>what's that?
18:58<avu>-exec foo {} + instead of -exec foo {} \;
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18:59<gpb>hmmm, never seen it documented
18:59<avu>well, it is
18:59<gpb>but maybe i haven't looked
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18:59<JordiGH>avu: Interesting. That's a nice trick.
19:00<JordiGH>avu: Does + have to be escaped?
19:00<avu>JordiGH, depends on your shell..
19:00<avu>JordiGH, not with bash or a default zsh setup
19:00<JordiGH>avu: The only shell that matters. ;-)
19:00<avu>ah, so zsh :)
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19:01<JordiGH>avu: Hehehe, to each their own, I guess. ;-)
19:02<avu>indeed. Anyway, I don't know anything off hand for either of those shells that gives a lone + a special meaning
19:02<gpb>the only shell that matters is dash, of course
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19:02<JordiGH>!start a shell war
19:02<dpkg>zsh is better than lsh
19:02<gpb>ksh ftw
19:02<avu>ok, now let's talk about editors ;)
19:03<gpb>vivivi - the editor of the beast
19:03<billybigrigger>can someone lend a hand trying to compile freedroidrpg and it compiles fine, but without OpenGL support...i have nvidia driver installed and working...glxgears works..wolf enemy territory rendering i think im missing some opengl -dev pkgs, where can find them to install?
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19:03<avu>gpb, now we can spend hours arguing if that's an argument for or against it :)
19:03<gpb>that's why i brought it :)
19:03<Knorrie>or should we just not do that?
19:03<nmd202>'locate -0 index.dat | xargs -0 rm' worked for me
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19:04<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Is it an autotooled project? Does ./configure give you an indication of what's missing?
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19:04<billybigrigger>JordiGH, this is my ./configure
19:04<billybigrigger>JordiGH, look at line 103
19:04<billybigrigger>and on
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19:06<billybigrigger>is this something i should file a bug report about?
19:06<Knorrie>only when you're rebuilding a debian package
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19:07<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Eh? That's a hasty conclusion, unless you're building the freedroidrpg from source and you're doing it the Debian way.
19:07<JordiGH>Speaking of which...
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19:07<JordiGH>!wayc billybigrigger
19:07<dpkg>billybigrigger: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude?
19:08<gpb>do you have opengl dv packets installed?
19:08<billybigrigger>im compiling the newest version
19:08<billybigrigger>repo version is out of date
19:08<gpb>then file a bugreport upstream
19:08<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Why are you not compiling the Debian way?
19:08<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Or did upstream change significantly? You've done apt-get build-dep freedroidrpg?
19:08<r0nin>can you use the etch floppy boot image to boot lenny on a usb drive?
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19:09<billybigrigger>i dont know the debian way of compiling
19:09<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Try that first.
19:09<billybigrigger>i just was reading freedroid's INSTALL
19:09<billybigrigger>what are the steps to follow debian's compiling method?
19:09<JordiGH>billybigrigger: What's upstream's version?
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19:10<billybigrigger>JordiGH, the version im trying to compile?
19:10<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Well, compiling Debian packages begin by getting the dependencies and apt-get build-dep. If it's really a Debian package, then "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" in the package's top source directory should create .debs for you.
19:10<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Yes. If it's not newer than 0.11, I'll slap your hand.
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19:11<billybigrigger>JordiGH, hehe freedroidrpg-0.11.1.tar.bz2
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19:11<JordiGH>billybigrigger: That's packaged for Debian. It's in the experimental distribution, though.
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19:12<billybigrigger>JordiGH, oooh
19:12<billybigrigger>JordiGH, k
19:12<Knorrie>because testing/unstable is somwhat frozen because of the release
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19:12<billybigrigger>JordiGH, well how do i remove this install i made a massacre of and install a .deb?
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19:13<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Do "sudo make uninstall" from the place where you did "make install".
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19:13<JordiGH>billybigrigger: And then erase that source dir.
19:13<gpb>if you wait some days it should wander to squeeze (new testing)
19:13<gpb>the freeze did hinder some packages
19:14<gpb>rightfully, of course
19:14<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Then enable the experimental repo in your sources.list (or probably wait a few days) and then install the newer one.
19:14<billybigrigger>so...can i download this .deb§ion=all
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19:14<gpb>yes, you can
19:14<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Possibly, but probably not. You should install it with aptitude.
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19:14<gpb>and then install directly with dpkg
19:14<gpb>*should* work
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19:14<billybigrigger>if i download that deb i wont have to enabled experimental repo correct?
19:15<diego>hi there, I have a multifunctional printer ... the printer works
19:15<gpb>*if* there are no dependecies that need to be updatet, too
19:15<diego>I want to use the scanner
19:15<diego>any help ?
19:15<gpb>I'd just wait some days
19:15<JordiGH>gpb: Nah, that's bound to be full of fail. Will need other dependencies.
19:15<craigevil_>better to use exp repo and do apt-get install -t experimental package or just wait a few days for it to make its way into sid
19:15<gpb>monday alle experimental packages with at least some merit should wander to sid, next week to squeeze
19:15<JordiGH>billybigrigger: Enable experimental. It's pinned low by default, so it won't install anything from experimental unless you specifically request it.
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19:16<gpb>*if* experimental repo than I'd recommend apt-pinning
19:16<billybigrigger>JordiGH, ok
19:16<JordiGH>billybigrigger: But yeah, your best bet is probably to wait a few days, unless you really need the game NAO.
19:16<gpb>so he dowsn't accidentally upgrade all packages to experimental
19:16<billybigrigger>well then ill just install the old 0.10 version
19:16<JordiGH>gpb: Experimental already has a low pin by default.
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19:16<gpb>ah, it has default pinning
19:16<gpb>didn't know that
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19:17<billybigrigger>when 0.11.1 comes to sid it should update no?
19:17<billybigrigger>or only if i have sid repos enabled
19:17<gpb>only with sid repos
19:17<billybigrigger>so 0.11.1 wont be in stable for a year or so?
19:17<chealer>diego: how can you be helped?
19:17<billybigrigger>or whenever next rls is
19:18<gpb>etch was stable for some 1 and a half years or so
19:18<craigevil_>only packages installed from exp would update, i have Ooo, pidgin, wesnoth a few other things from exp, even doing apt-get dist-upgrade only those things upgrade
19:19<JordiGH>billybigrigger: It should probably wander into squeeze very soon, within a couple of weeks at most. It doesn't have any important bugs filed against it.
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19:19<diego>help with scanners?
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19:20<chealer>diego: what help do you need?
19:20<streuner>buy a scanner which is supported, done.
19:20<Asteroid345>I installed ATI drivers using ATI installed and now when I boot I get black screen with red lins and dots, how do I switch to command line so I can fix it?
19:20<Knorrie>Asteroid345: tried ctrl-alt-f1 ?
19:20<chealer>billybigrigger: right, if it ever gets there
19:21<Asteroid345>Knorrie, yes, tried and it restarts computer
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19:22<Knorrie>Asteroid345: try adding 'single' to the kernel-line in the grub menu
19:22<chealer>JordiGH: note that it needs to be uploaded to unstable first. 2 weeks is pretty much the minimum it could take
19:22<Asteroid345>Knorrie, in the end?
19:22<Knorrie>Asteroid345: yes
19:22<Asteroid345>let me try
19:22<gpb>usually 10 days in sid before becoming "testing"
19:23<Knorrie>Asteroid345: that should prevent all services to be started
19:23<chealer>Asteroid345: boot in single-user mode
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19:23<gpb>don't know if this is shortened short after a release
19:23<Knorrie>Asteroid345: just a simple mode where you can login as root and fix studd
19:23<JordiGH>chealer: Well, point is, it won't take too long. :-)
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19:24<Asteroid345>Knorrie, when I go int grub it gives grub> cli, what do I type there?
19:24<Asteroid345>theer are no other cmmands and just single does nothing
19:24<Knorrie>Asteroid345: no, when you reboot, when the grub menu shows up
19:25<Knorrie>Asteroid345: press any key, search for the line you want to edit
19:25<Knorrie>Asteroid345: press E
19:25<Asteroid345>Knorrie, yes, grub shows up an I have a choise t select between 2 lines or press c and gett cmmand line
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19:25<Knorrie>Asteroid345: ah, then, press e to edit some of the current configuration options
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19:26<Knorrie>Asteroid345: select the line with the kernel things and press e to edit it
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19:26<chealer>JordiGH: hopefully... but hope is not always sufficient just after a half-year of freeze
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19:26<Asteroid345>Knorrie, I notised there was a single user selection so I'm booting that
19:27<Knorrie>Asteroid345: that's ok
19:27<Knorrie>ust fine
19:27<Doomguy93>How do I make my own channel server in IRC ?
19:27<Asteroid345>Knorrie, so what can I do now to fix the problem?
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19:28<duraperidol>doomguy93: define channel server? your own channel, or your own irc server (ircd) ?
19:28<Knorrie>Asteroid345: i dont know about 'the problem' exactly, i'm trying to get you into an environment you need to whatever it is, fix that
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19:29<JordiGH>chealer: How long was the freeze anyways?
19:29<Doomguy93>ummm own channel or whatever it is, for example like this
19:29<Knorrie>Asteroid345: what do you see? what did the 'system' ask you to do?
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19:30<chealer>JordiGH: lenny was frozen on 2008-07-27, so between 6 and 7 months.
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19:30<Knorrie>Asteroid345: probably the 'problem' is that some ATI things were installed that screwed your system
19:30<Asteroid345>I installed the ati driver and now ehn it boots it gives black screen with some red green dots and some lines\
19:30<Asteroid345>Knorrie, yep.
19:30<Asteroid345>I ned to ervert it or configure it right\
19:31<Knorrie>Asteroid345: does the booting using single give you a command prompt?
19:31<Asteroid345>Knorrie, yes
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19:32<Asteroid345>I have to go, fix it later
19:32<Knorrie>so you can do a `cd /etc/X11` ?
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19:32<Asteroid345>thanks for your help Knorrie
19:32<Knorrie>and ls to show the files?
19:32<Knorrie>i guess the ATI installer has made some backup copy of your xorg.conf there
19:32<justme>good evening folks, has Lenny been released yesterday or has the final release been moved to today?
19:32<justme>(good morning not evening)
19:33<Knorrie>Asteroid345: you could try to mv the current xorg.conf to whatever and figure out whatever backup copy of the file was the last working copy
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19:33<baryluk>justme: mirror's already done :) cdimages are building (i386/amd64/ppc done)
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19:33<Asteroid345>Knorrie, I'll try that
19:33<justme>very nice :> are there any major changes to RC2 ? (new package versions etc?)
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19:34<Knorrie>Asteroid345: and rename that to xorg.conf and try to start the window manager thing (gnome? kde? )
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19:35<baryluk>justme: mostly bugfixes, don't know about d-i
19:35<JordiGH>chealer: Freeze time alone is one Ubuntu release cycle, heh. :-)
19:35<JordiGH>chealer: This is praise for Debian.
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19:36<maxb>Superb irony that Debian releases just as Ubuntu enters FeatureFreeze (thursday)
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19:36<Knorrie>freeze for what?
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19:37<miksuh>maxb: what do you mean?
19:37<chealer>JordiGH: yeah, well it wasn't "supposed" to be that long
19:38<Knorrie>never mind
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19:39<maxb>miksuh: I mean that a lot of uploads to unstable are now going to happen *just* barely too late for potential syncing to Ubuntu for this cycle
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19:39<Knorrie>unstable is unstable
19:40<boris_>maxb: cool!
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19:40<Knorrie>miksuh: just be glad the new bugs did not get in
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19:42<miksuh>maxb: ah, I just did misread a bit what you said :) Maybe I'm a bit too tired :)
19:42<miksuh>well almost 3am here
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19:43<Knorrie>miksuh: sorry, i just highlited while i wasnt supposed to talk to you
19:44<Knorrie>miksuh: almost 2am here
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19:45<steffan>is everyone staying up for the release, lol
19:45<Knorrie>seems like that yes
19:45<boris_>almost 3am here ;0
19:45<maxb>releases are overrated :-) I run testing
19:46<Knorrie>seems the repo's are switching now
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19:46<Knorrie>iso's being almost ready
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19:47<boris_>Xineohp; What ?
19:47<Xineohp>Just looking to see what linux IRC you using.
19:47<Xineohp>Nothing special.
19:47<boris_>on debian sid
19:47<steffan>Xineohp: do people use anything other than irssi?
19:47<miksuh>xchat here
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19:47<jrabbit>no go away
19:48<justme>I also use Xchat....
19:48<maxb>xchat, but only through irssiproxy :-)
19:48<Xineohp>Yeah. Mirc, and xchat. I never seen anyone else use Konversation.
19:48<Xineohp>I'm using Konversation.
19:48<steffan>it was a rhetorical question.
19:48<justme>Xineohp, I am not using KDE - why should I use Konversation ;> ?
19:48<boris_>bitchx ? :P
19:48<justme>just because I want to install a bunch of kde libs?
19:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 424] by debhelper
19:49<justme>at console I would also prefer irssi
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19:49<boris_>Anyone else from Greece guys ?
19:49*billybigrigger wonders when the dvd img's will appear
19:49<wired>i like that band boris
19:49<wired>fuckin rad
19:50<Xineohp>LOL, alrighties.
19:50<abrotman>lots of people use xchat, pidgin, konversation and i'ms ure a few other GUI clients
19:50<steffan>the mirrors are already set to stable, i believe.
19:50<Xineohp>I use pidgin as well.
19:50<Knorrie>yay my mirror has squeeze :)
19:50<steffan>or that's what they're saying.
19:50<jrabbit>Konversation is much nicer then xchat fyi
19:50<bzed>irssi :)
19:51<miksuh>ooh, stable now points to lenny in too :)
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19:51<steffan>definetly, irssi.
19:51<justme>When asked about the IRC client there will be as much answers as if you ask which Linux Distribution anyone prefers.
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19:52<steffan>in the perfect world there would be debian, and irssi though, justme.
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19:52<Xineohp>I actually use Ubuntu.
19:52<bzed>steffan: and screen!
19:52<Knorrie>steffan: and vim :)
19:52<justme>and nano
19:52<Knorrie>and screen yes
19:52<steffan>bzed: ofcourse! i use screen with irssi.
19:52<bzed>justme: no. you're out ;)
19:52<steffan>i'd be lost without it.
19:52*bzed too.
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19:52<Knorrie>!start editor war
19:53<dpkg>How high?
19:53<abrotman>!start an editor war
19:53<dpkg>xemacs is known to cause ulcers
19:53<jrabbit>emacs has an irc cleint it's not an editor
19:53<justme>bzed, I am also able to use vi(m) but i just prefer nano :p
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19:53<Knorrie>abrotman: :)
19:53<Knorrie>justme: if it fits, and you're comfortable with that, just use it, ignore the wars :
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19:53<Blur2040>eta on lenny isos yet? it's gotta be soon
19:54<Knorrie>Blur2040: RSN
19:54<steffan>i've been using nano for the past 3/4 years, but i want to make the change to vim. (it's one of my new years resolutions,
19:54<stew>Blur2040: last estimate i hears was 0400 utc
19:54<justme>Knorrie by the way ;) using apitude or apt-get ?
19:54<bzed>Blur2040: hint: become active, work at the installer or release team or similar, and you'll get them first (to test of course...)
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19:55<Knorrie>justme: aptitude is the way to go using lenny
19:55<stew>looks to me like 8 of 12 arches are built
19:55<dpkg>vi is, like, said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or <vim> is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see <vi tutorial>, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or
19:55<lantizia>I know you've probably had people asking already, but any word on Lenny's release for today?
19:55<bzed>lantizia: in the progress
19:55<Knorrie>justme: just remember setting Aptitude::Recommends-Important "false"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf
19:55<steffan>lantizia: 0600, is the word on the street.
19:56<steffan>but than again, nothings been announced.
19:56<lantizia>0600... what time zone?
19:56<lantizia>oh GMT so 0600am 15th feb then
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19:56<steffan>lantizia: correct.
19:56<steffan>so set you're alarm clock.
19:56<lantizia>nah I'll stay up :P
19:56<Blur2040>haha, i heard 23:00 a few hours't count too hard on it
19:57<lantizia>only 5 hours till 6
19:57<stew>Blur2040: 23:00 was when the mirror pulse was starting
19:57<Xineohp>LOL, I learned what 12345678910 day is.
19:57<craigevil>abrotman: why not update the /topic here like it is in #debian on freenode
19:57<Xineohp>It was like around yesterday.
19:57<Xineohp>It's something to do with UNIX time.
19:57<Blur2040>I'm all sorts of behind on everything then
19:57<lantizia>Xineohp, you mean 1234567890 unix time
19:58<Blur2040>yeah, a fun little milestone is all
19:58<abrotman>craigevil: i thought someone had
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20:00<atari>does anyone know where this picture is from an what licence it has?
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20:01<Blur2040>have not seen it before
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20:01<stew>atari: a DD named Ben Hutchings created it
20:01<fbt>nice pic
20:02<Blur2040>heh, hopefully it makes it out on the 14th...somewhere
20:02<stew>oh, no
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20:02<stew>Maulkin created it
20:03<steffan>will 'aptitude remove' remove a package and all other packages that were installed because of <package>?
20:03<steffan>or just the package?
20:03<atari>stew: THX!
20:03<stew>steffan: it will remove the package. any packages which are marked as automatically installed, with no manually installed reverse depencies would also be removed
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20:04<baryluk>steffan: only package
20:04<Blur2040>one of my few frustrations with linux
20:04<steffan>how can I get it to remove other packages that were installed because of it?
20:04<stew>steffan: this means if you install A which also installs B to satisfy a dependency, then removing A will remove B also, if nothing else id depending on B
20:04<lantizia>steffan, autoremove
20:04<stew>steffan: it will happen automatically
20:04<steffan>stew: i thought so.
20:05<steffan>stew: thanks.
20:05<lantizia>steffan, needed with apt-get, but not with aptitude
20:05<steffan>oh, i used aptitude.
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20:06<lantizia>does aptitude even depend on apt-get, or does it use dpkg directly? i mean, can we just deprecate apt-get and point the command to aptitude
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20:06<Blur2040>wait, does synaptic do autoremove?
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20:07<abrotman>apt-get does some things aptitude doesn't
20:07<lantizia>abrotman, what like?
20:07<abrotman>apt-get source for one
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20:09<Blur2040>So, am I a total dope for using synaptic which appears to leave orphans behind when aptitude doesn't leave them behind?
20:09<[8sch]>can maybe someone help me with geting a bcm4306 connecting to wlan (wlan0 is activ)
20:10<stew>lantizia: the aptitude package depends on the apt package for libapt, which also provides apt-get
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20:10<lantizia>Blur2040, aptitude should still see them, autoremove may still work
20:10<lantizia>I wish there was a autopurge, I do alot of purging :)
20:11<steffan>i'll probably have some packages floating around somewhere, and i'll come across them one day.
20:11<steffan>and then think, why didn't i use apt-get.
20:11<Blur2040>Ah, so I'd have to go into aptitude and it should see packages that have been tagged automatic...after a synaptic install...and remove them?
20:11<lantizia>I'm always using apt-get when I'm better off using aptitude
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20:12<lantizia>maybe we could have aptitudes improvments put in to apt-get and point aptitude to apt-get ?
20:12<stew>steffan: you can use deborphan or debfoster to find things that you might want to uninstall
20:12<gsimmons>[8sch]: See
20:12<steffan>stew: which one?
20:12<Blur2040>I've been using deborphan myself...but if aptitude does it automatically, I won't be touching synaptic anymore
20:12<lantizia>Blur2040, exactly... run aptitude autoremove and see what it lists
20:12<stew>steffan: both?
20:12<stew>lantizia: it should say "no such command: autoremove"
20:13<lantizia>why is that an apt-get thing?
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20:13<stew>it is
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20:13<lantizia>damn it, see it's silly having 2!
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20:13<stew>lantizia: then please impement "source" and "build-dep" in apatitude
20:13<lantizia>I'd rather update apt-get
20:13<lantizia>I'm used to typing that :D
20:14<lantizia>and it's shorter
20:14<Blur2040>so, summation: aptitude has autoremoval functions, apt-get doesn't
20:14<stew>lantizia: the please create ncurses and gtk frontends to apt-get, improve apt-get's dependency resolution, and improve apt-cache's searching
20:14<lantizia>Blur2040, no it's apt-get autoremove :)
20:14<stew>Blur2040: apt-get does
20:14<Blur2040>ah, ok
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20:14<stew>(as of version 0.7)
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20:14*Blur2040 really should read more manpages.
20:15<steffan>stew: it seems that i only have to use deborphan (Find orphaned libraries), not debfoster, to do what i want to-do.
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20:15<lantizia>stew, so I take it Synaptic and that other debian-ified gui packager thing I saw in lenny once... are both aptitude users?
20:15<stew>if you only care about the libraries, sure
20:15<stew>lantizia: no
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20:16<Blur2040>Well, then, why use synaptic at all then?
20:16<lantizia>I don't :)
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20:16<steffan>stew: it looks like debfoster is only used when installing things, though?
20:16<steffan>or can it be used for removing things also?
20:16<stew>steffan: afaik it is only for removing things
20:16<Blur2040>well, er, why should it be there at all?
20:17<steffan>stew: 'aptitude search debfoster' disagrees.
20:17*lantizia begins the annual valentines apt-club
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20:17<steffan>Blur2040: deborphan looks good for finding orphaned libraries.
20:17<steffan>and it 'just works'.
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20:17<stew>steffan: apt-cache show debfoster
20:18<Blur2040>yeah, it works pretty well, but i'd rather just have it done automatically
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20:18<billybigrigger>since the mirrors now show lenny as stable...if i found a netboot mini.iso for debian 5.0 i should be able to netinst lenny correct?
20:19<stew>billybigrigger: sure, you could have installed lenny a week ago too
20:19<steffan>how should i go about setting up web hosting on my server? (this would be the first time i've ever touched web hosting, i have a domain from, and it has an option to enter my nameservers).
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20:19<steffan>Blur2040: it's good for things you haven't realized about in the past. :-)
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20:20<lantizia>steffan, new to all this? I have an excellent debian friendly control panel that'll take care of domains/nameservers while not hiding you away from all the work
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20:20<lantizia>gnu gpl licensed
20:20<steffan>how should i get started? what do i need installed to handle it all?
20:20<lantizia>steffan, take a gander at...
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20:21<lantizia>steffan, it's guide will help you to know what to apt-get... then syscp is just a bunch of php files to help you manage it all
20:21<lantizia>steffan, it'll also show you have to configure each package
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20:23<steffan>lantizia: so that will give me the information (regarding nameservers), that i need to give to my domain provider?
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20:24<steffan>this is the first time i'm hosting the nameservers/hosting myself.
20:24<lantizia>steffan, if your hosting the nameserver yourself then the nameserver address will be your servers hostname on the internet
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20:25<steffan>lantizia: i don't think i'll need the control panel etc. isn't there a simpler way to-do it all?
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20:25<lantizia>steffan, you can google for guides I guess... to be honest I swear by that control panel - it helps you get everything set up you need.... web, domains, ftp, mail, antispam, nameservers
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20:26<steffan>i'll take a look at it, it just looks bigger than what i need.
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20:26<lantizia>steffan, it's tiny trust me
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20:26<lantizia>steffan, not like one of these HUUGE plesk installs or CPanel
20:26<steffan>oh, ok.
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20:27<steffan>aslong as it's small, and it just works than it will be fine.
20:27<lantizia>just a cron job, and php pages to manage the packages you've configured (and free to keep configuring manually_
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20:27<dric64>hi, does somebody speak french here ?
20:27<lantizia>the shiny new web site makes it looks bigger than it is :D
20:27<steffan>i was just looking for something to run in the background, and edit using SSH but if that's small, then it should be okay.
20:28<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
20:28<lantizia>steffan, theres a channel on freenode for it too #syscp
20:28<steffan>ah! okay. :-)
20:28<lantizia>steffan, 99% of them debian users
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20:30<steffan>i don't understand people who put 'night' or 'good night' in their away messages, it's not like they would put 'morning' in it.
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20:33<goodtime>because morning is a greeting message
20:34<goodtime>night is a good by
20:34<goodtime>hence why its a away message
20:36<kolla>and here I thought it was about what time of day it is...
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20:39<lantizia>to me it always felt off hearing 'good morning' at the end of a say a news report... fine its morning, but don't you normally say that at the start
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20:47<goodtime>well i guess not
20:48<goodtime>idk i do sometime if im in a good mood
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20:52<comex>Starting after an upgrade, whenever I focus a window from a Qt app, the entire screen screws up, apparently because it's using a weird colormap. If I run the qt app with -cmap, this does not occur.
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21:47<barackobama>Too quite here, something happening, and I am very excited.
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21:53<billybigrigger>how long does it take to generate lenny iso images??? are we going to see lenny released today? or are we all in the dark?
21:53<Hideo>barackobama: don't you have a country to fix? Get back to work!
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21:55<abrotman>billybigrigger: define today ...
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21:55<jcwu>it should be released by now......
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21:56<billybigrigger>its 8pm sat 14th for me
21:57<billybigrigger>so are we looking at a release tommarow or today still?
21:57<abrotman>someone said 0400UTC on the 15th earlier
21:57<Latino>does it make any difference?
21:58<barackobama>Right now is 03:00 UTC
21:58<barackobama>packets already availiable, waiting for iso builds
21:59<billybigrigger>that what i asked, how long does it take to build the iso images?
21:59<billybigrigger>i thought by now they might start appearing on some mirrors
22:00<abrotman>what do you want the ISO for ?
22:00<barackobama> * Topic is 'lenny release in progress: /msg dpkg lenny status
22:00<barackobama>but I am not sure that dpkg is updated in real time
22:00<barackobama>and after it will be generated there are some steps
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22:05<baryluk>billybigrigger: only s390 image are missing now :) i386 and amd64 are additionally tested on some machines
22:06<billybigrigger>amd64 images are done, just being tested? or they're ready and have been tested
22:07<baryluk>was tested, there are some problems with non-english locales AFAIK
22:07<baryluk>it is amd64-kde-cd-1 version
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22:08<boris_>which one ?
22:09<baryluk>ask manty , or just wait
22:09<billybigrigger>so when will i be able to download the netinst, or gnome install cd/dvd?
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22:10<abrotman>billybigrigger: why would you ? just upgrade the system live
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22:10<billybigrigger>dont trust upgrades
22:11<billybigrigger>and im running i386 on my amd x2 5000
22:11<billybigrigger>so im going to be installing amd64
22:11<billybigrigger>so im waiting for new images :P
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22:11<abrotman>you can just get the rc2 netinst and use that
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22:20<kop>billybigrigger : Why wouldn't you trust upgrades? They'll cause headaches if you've been installing stuff from hither and yon, but work fine if you've stuck with apt.
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22:29<keka>@search LFY
22:30<keka>@search linux books
22:30<keka>@find linux books
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22:34<barackobama>I think I read somewhere that zsh will replace bash, but now I can't find any information about it in google (I just find that it will be not in lenny)
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22:35<barackobama>or I am wrong?
22:35<stew>barackobama: one can replace bash with zsh if they prefer zsh. its not like zsh is becoming the default login shell or anything though
22:36<fbt>!lenny status
22:36<dpkg>Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny.
22:36<baryluk>currently /bin/sh -> /bin/bash
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22:37<barackobama>ooh thanks, it was about dash, thanks
22:37<barackobama>and on etch machines after standard update procedure it will be also replaced?
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22:46<baryluk>barackobama: no, still standard is bash, but practically all packages will work when you will change it to dash (on installation of dash it ask for it)
22:46<baryluk>so all scripts using /bin/sh don't use currently any bash-only feature. mostly all
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22:47<barackobama>ok, so basicly to switch I need to run aptitude install dash
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22:51<barackobama>I think I can be wrong, I will do some research, but unfortunetly this is not very clear, I hope it will be covered somewhere in documentation or wiki...
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22:56<sisifo>how do i put the search box to use instead of ?
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22:57<sisifo>thank you! you rock
22:57<barackobama>no problem
22:57<barackobama>google rock too :)
22:58<sisifo>that variable has only the string "Google" in it
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22:59<sisifo>barackobama: help me please
22:59<baryluk>google sucks
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23:01<barackobama>for address bar search about:config -> keyword.URL
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23:03<sisifo>barackobama: i changed that value to 03:54 < Casaubon> até teclam de forma diferente
23:03<sisifo>03:54 < boson> n ligo a isso
23:03<sisifo>03:55 < AppleOfSodom> em lisboa não há rio, há riu
23:03<sisifo>03:55 < Casaubon> no irc ou na vida real?
23:03<sisifo>03:55 < Casaubon> pois
23:03<sisifo>03:55 < boson> no geral
23:03<sisifo>barackobama: i changed that value to
23:03<sisifo>and it didn't help
23:03<sisifo>it gave me results
23:03<barackobama>this only change "address bar search", at least this works?
23:04<sisifo>yes it did! sorry
23:04<sisifo>how about the search box ?
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23:07<sisifo>its the search box i really want barackobama
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23:12<barackobama>something like this, you need to make or find xml file, it's not possible to do it just from interface
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23:14<sisifo>barackobama: got it
23:15<sisifo> installed this
23:15<sisifo>thank you anyway
23:15<barackobama>yes, this is called "OpenSearch plugins"
23:15<kop>barackobama : If you want to use a different shell, see chsh. See also update-alternatives.
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23:19<neonlightning>kop, i ment to do update-alternatives all but due to not having used debian in a while ran dpkg-reconfigure --all and man do i regret it
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23:23<kop>neonlightning : It should default to the choices you've already made. (But who wants to answer those questions. I'm unclear on how to get out of it. I'd bet that a simple ctrl-c would stop it safely. But that's a big bet. It also works because I don't enable the gui update-alternatives interface. Although it could always be killed.)
23:24<neonlightning>idk i've done it before on purpose in a previous install but i'm kinda worried about breaking something with a break maby i'll wait till the next dialog pops up
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23:25<neonlightning>because its already taken over an hour
23:25<baryluk>`dpkg-reconfigure debconf` mayby
23:25<baryluk>i mean, change to High
23:25<kop>neonlightning : Gives you plenty of time to read the docs and search the wiki for a way out. ;-)
23:26<neonlightning>well its already running and its only set to medium and i've also answered alot of questions i figure i'll just let it go though as aside from slowing down things a fair bit its not really hurting
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