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00:48<nmd202>hi. i'm looking for something like the old DOS beep command on linux
00:48<nmd202>just to generate a tone on from the computer speaker
00:49<Supaplex>echo -en echo -en "\007"
00:49<Supaplex>uhh, echo -en "\007"
00:51<nmd202>heh, 'uhh: command not found
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01:04<fbt>!lenny status
01:04<dpkg>Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. ISO generation in progress Mirrors now show stable => lenny.
01:05<dpkg>from memory, wwlr is Lenny (5.0) will hopefully release on February 14, 2009. See Also ask me about <lenny status> <lenny release notes> <lenny pool>.
01:06<dato>the ISO generation is finishing, then the images will get pushed to the mirrors, and then we'll announce it.
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01:07<goodger>dato: when will testing be unfrozen?
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01:07<dato>goodger: today or tomorrow (Europe)
01:08<goodger>in UTC?
01:09<dato>yes, that too
01:09<dato>today or tomorrow UTC; so, roughly withint the next 48h
01:09<goodger>oh, I see
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01:25<Springer1500>help register
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01:38<k1lumin4t1>sane detects my webcam as a scanner device. Is there any way I could override this and make it use my real hp scanner (which is connected)?
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01:43<jeancalvin>how do i go onto newsgroups??? (news://....)?
01:44<jeancalvin>is there a online program for that?
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01:50<rettub>jeancalvin: apt-cache search "news reader"
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02:13<fxiny>right : i'm upgrading my etch : volatile respects "stable" , dmm wants "lenny"
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02:13<fxiny>my thanx to
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02:18<lethalduck>Anyone know of a channel for xVN?
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02:31<bikedude880>Hey, just ran an upgrade for Lenny/Sid, restarted X, and now have an odd problem
02:31<bikedude880>Any keypress toggles the scroll lock
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02:33<Astero1D>I screwed up X after installing ATI Radeon drivers from ATI site, but reverted the xorg.conf file and now it works. Is there any additional steps I can take to completely remove the installed files? (ATI files)
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02:41<bikedude880>Any ideas why pressing any key toggles the scroll lock?
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02:42<fxiny>bikedude880: no idea but try running xmodmap
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02:44<bikedude880>The problem isn't that scroll lock doesn't work, it's that no matter what key gets pressed, scroll lock gets toggled
02:46<newsense_>bikedude880: man i had that happen once, wish i could remember what the problem was and how i fixed it
02:46<bikedude880>Damn :\
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02:48<spindle>bikedude880, did you use dist-upgrade or just upgrade?
02:48<bikedude880>Just upgrade
02:48<spindle>try dist-upgrade
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02:50<barackobama>dist-upgrade is needed before putting lenny to sources.list, or I need to run dist-upgrade with lenny packages?
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02:51<barackobama>. /msg dpkg etch->lenny
02:51<barackobama>. <dpkg> Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" or "stable" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade.
02:51<barackobama>is this valid? i dont need dist-upgrade in this scenario after i add lenny to sources.list ?
02:52<newsense_>barackobama: just as it says, safe-upgrade is the new dist-upgrade in lenny
02:52<stew>no, safe-upgrade is upgrade, full-upgrade is dist-upgrade
02:52<sepski> aptitude full-upgrade is the new dist-upgrade
02:52<fxiny>can't do safe-upgrade from etch
02:52<stew>right, it has you install the lenny aptitude first
02:52<fxiny>bikedude880: you on etch ?
02:52<barackobama>i thought it was 3 different commands
02:52<fxiny>barackobama: are you on etch ?
02:52<stew>barackobama: yes, three different commands
02:53<stew>barackobama: a more detailed process is in chapter 4 of the release notes
02:53<barackobama>i have one lenny science 2007, and one etch
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02:53<newsense_>stew: man thanks for clearing that up, i didnt even now about full-upgrade
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02:57<enouf>newsense_: know you now? :-p
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02:58<fxiny>enouf: upgrading my deschutes ;)
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02:59<fxiny>f* hard work
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02:59<enouf>fxiny: hehe .. nah, let 'er chugg - she likes hard work ;-)
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03:00<fxiny>enouf: i have a vserver , sun-java , rtorrent/mrxvt compiled , some perl modules from cpan , and something else i can't remember
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03:00<fxiny>no space :)
03:01<fxiny>-d install , apt-ftparchive and so on
03:01<enouf>fxiny: -offtopic !!
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03:03<fxiny>coming in a sec
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03:03<fxiny>whoever did this magic is due for a beer : /usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives -a
03:04<fxiny>that recreeates all symilinks when removing sun-java for the official debian packages one
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03:08<Astero1D>What are alternatives to keepasX and Revelation on linux?
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03:12<Supaplex>!tell Astero1D -about search
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03:13<pabs>Astero1D: keepassx is available in Debian lenny and later, revelation is in etch and later
03:13<Astero1D>Supaplex, I know about search but I cant just come up with random package names, I thought there would be something popular
03:14<Astero1D>pads, no other alternatives?
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03:15<pabs>ignore me
03:15<Supaplex>get creative. search by purpose.
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03:21<Guest105>hi, is contrib and non-free included in the debian testing cd's ? i set them using deb file (from man sources.list) and it only finds main but not contrib and non-free
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03:21<Supaplex>depends on how many cd's you end up with...
03:22<Guest105>i'v downloaded the first 4
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03:23<Guest105>do i need to downloaded them all to get contrib and non-free?
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03:23<Supaplex>why not use netinst and download what else you need over the network on demand?
03:23<Supaplex>those cds go out of date as soon as there are security updates anyway
03:24<Guest105>ok thanks byw
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03:29<Supaplex>meh. flash movies ftl :(
03:29<tomi>how to update from etch to etch r7?
03:30<pabs>Supaplex: clive FTW
03:30<pabs>tomi: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
03:30<Supaplex>ouuuuu me like
03:32*Supaplex stares at --help output like a newb
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03:35<Supaplex>heh error: unsupported host (
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03:37<tomi>so, debian r7 is only seciurity upgrade?
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03:37<pabs>tomi: yes. Debian 5.0 (lenny) will be released in the next day or so though
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03:38<fxiny>tomi: is a point release
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03:39<pabs>Supaplex: try this in mplayer/totem/etc: rtmp://
03:40<Supaplex>I did. No stream found to handle url rtmp://
03:40<Supaplex>ala $ mplayer rtmp://
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03:53<gpb>wow, transition to lenny takes longer than i expected
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03:54<Supaplex>I guess I should modify /etc/acpi/ to call s2disk if I want my power button to suspend the system to swap?
03:54<sepski>!lenny status
03:54<dpkg>Barring unforseen disasters, it is anticipated that lenny will be released on Feb 1[45], 2009. For further details, ask me about <wwlr>. Also see <lenny release notes> <etch->lenny>. CD images are built and being pushed to mirrors Mirrors now show stable => lenny.
03:55<weasel>we are waiting for the cd mirrors to sync
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03:55<Supaplex>real men use mini.iso ;)
03:55<fxiny>i've already -d downloaded my etch2lenny debs
03:56<fxiny>no space here
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03:56<Supaplex>I'll wait a week or two to let the masses work out the new little bugs in the mean time. :)
03:56<fxiny>sources : volatile-->stable dmm --> lenny
03:57<fxiny>i bet someone will ask why mplayer from dmm is not lenny-upgraded
03:58<Supaplex>ouu ouu me me ;)
03:58<fxiny>dmm uses lenny as keyword
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03:58<pabs>fxiny: dmm?
03:58<dpkg>from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>, or <dmm squeeze>
03:59<fxiny>pabs: i use dmm and volatile
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04:00<CQ>hello, I need to resize a logical LVM volume with ext3 on it... seems that you need to use resize2fs (2??) to shrink the ext3 volume, and then lvreduce the volume to that size... is that right?
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04:00<Supaplex>CQ: correct
04:00<Supaplex>and offline too. (unmounted)
04:01<CQ>it's my /home partition, can I do it online, or shoudl I unmount it? seems to sggest it can be done online...
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04:03<Supaplex>you can only grow ext3 online
04:04<CQ>no problem, at least it's only /home :)
04:04<Supaplex>feel free to try shrinking it. it will yell at you.
04:04<CQ>thanks, I value my data :)
04:04<pabs>backups backups backups
04:04<Supaplex>and backups
04:04<metalqga>that's why i've got a raid1 and a dvd writer
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04:05<Supaplex>raid, not so much. dvd, more likely.
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04:05<Supaplex>raid doesn't prevent you from stupidness :)
04:05<bikedude880>Thank you whomever helped me. My keyboard is back to normal :)
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04:07<pabs>dvd slow
04:08<gpb>i know some companies bitten *badly* by believing three disks in raid1 mode spare them regular *tested* backups
04:08<Supaplex>I rsync with branch hardlinking to an offsite box, and tape backups.
04:08<metalqga>supaplex i'm using the cheapest way, not the best one
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04:09<Supaplex>use what you got :)
04:10<Supaplex>I guess it's time to ready the new lenny router image to replace openwrt. hummm
04:11<metalqga>btw anybody tried dlding the stable cd/dvd? page no found :P My guess is that lenny is moving into his new house
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04:14<gpb>metalqga, CD images are just now pushed to mirrors, so temporarily broken links are normal
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04:15<CQ>why doesn't ext3 need defragmenting?
04:16<gpb>because it's quite intelligent?
04:16<tomi>what is on 5 dvd`s with lenny - all free reository?
04:16<gpb>btw: I managed once to fragment my ext3 really hard
04:17<CQ>gpb: sure, but no matter how intelligent you are, fragmentation will occur at some point...
04:17<gpb>shouldn't have deleted some small files and then put ion quite large files in rapid succession as root, though
04:17<metalqga>i read a ubuntu script that copied the data and then deleted the old one or sth like that
04:17<gpb>if you manage to not use new ext3 features you can use e2defrag
04:17<Gekz>btrfs will cure all
04:17<gpb>yes - 2012
04:18<Gekz>haha I know
04:18<Gekz>ext4 until then
04:18<gpb>I'd really hoped for ZFS on FUSE
04:19<petemc>zfs works on fuse
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04:19<gpb>but only two status updates in the wiki in 2008 made me rethink my hopes :)
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04:20<gpb>"Status: First beta released" on the web page
04:20<petemc>wouldnt you prefer a native zfs anyway?
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04:20<gpb>but one takes what one gets :)
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04:42<Astero1D>My microphone does not seem to be working in Debian Lenny
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04:42<Astero1D>can someone help troubleshoot?
04:43<Guest115>Astero1D, maybe it's muted, do alsamixer
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04:44<Guest115>Astero1D, hit the right arrow until you get to Mic, then up arrow if it's muted
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04:44<Guest115>Astero1D, "do alsamixer" i mean run alsamixer in your terminal
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04:48<Astero1D>Guest115, there are several things in there: Master, Headphon, PCM, Front, Front MI, Front MI, Surround, Center
04:49<Astero1D>I put the amm up, but still no sound
04:49<Astero1D>Guest115, I'm checking in Gome System - sound
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04:52<gpb>you need to put the mic up, perhaps amp
04:52<gpb>*plus* if you want to hear it on your own system you need to put up the mic channel on the "output" page
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04:53<gpb>what do you want to tell us, pabs?
04:53<pabs>lenny artwork on www.d.o!
04:54<pabs>The latest stable release of Debian is 5.0. The last update to this release was made on February 14th, 2009.
04:54<gpb>ahhh, still had the old cache :)
04:54<gpb>I think debian should have made the jump to 7.0
04:55<gpb>"see microsoft, we have the 7 faster than you" :D
04:55*gpb ducks
04:56<gpb>o.O who translated the news to german
04:56<barackobama>i dont think lenny+1 will be released before next windows
04:56<gpb>haven't read some of the words used there in decades
04:57<Guest115>anybody know how can i set QOS (or WMM) with ath5k ?
04:57<gpb>hmmm, if we initiate an *immediate* freeze it *could* work
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04:58<barackobama>if we initiate an *immediate* freeze then squeezy will be the same as 5.0r1
04:58<barackobama>by features and versions :)
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05:00<gpb>who cares... Win7 is also just Vista with Server 2008 kernel and a few UI enhancements
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05:01<metalqga>server 2008 used to lose files or I'm wrong?
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05:03-!-stew changed the topic of #debian to: lenny released!: /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r7 released /msg dpkg etch | FAQ: | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic
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05:05<Guest115>anybody knows why in my terminal "mm" shows as two blocks sticked together ?
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05:05<zhujiale>the website has never been so colorful!
05:05<gpb>insufficient resolution?
05:06<Guest115>got it, was allow bold font
05:06<gpb>metalqga, at least it lost drivers...
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05:06<dpkg>don't trip man! those square characters are caused by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xorg-common/FAQ.gz, or did you see boxes too?, or <search> for missing fonts
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05:06<Supaplex>Guest115: what terminal are you running?
05:07<Guest115>Supaplex, gnome terminal, it's ok, it was because of "allow bold font" option
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05:07<Supaplex>ahh. fun
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05:08<valdyn>gpb: ext4 is getting an online defragger, which is actually already there, just deactivated
05:08<gpb>so... usable in 2011?
05:09<valdyn>gpb: theres people who use it now, i dont know how stable it is
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05:09<gpb>yeah, i mean "stable, doesn't corrupt files" with "usable"
05:09<Supaplex>let's encapsulate 10 different layers of ext4 file systems and watch them all blow up in a bon fire whenit crashes.
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05:10*Supaplex speculates only re ext4, but it's still fun
05:10<gpb>I *really* laughed when I read that one should not use an (uncompressed/unencrypted) ReiserFS image on a reiserfs partition
05:10<valdyn>and btrfs is getting one too,but thats really 2011, I would guess
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05:10<gpb>because the driver then thinks the image is the "real thing"
05:11<Supaplex>haha nice.
05:11<amphi>gpb: reisfsck as 'horror reanimator'? ;)
05:11<gpb>yeah, the great Hans Reiser
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05:11<valdyn>gpb: not the driver, the fsck
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05:11<gpb>who knew everything better in filesystems than everyone else...
05:11<gpb>ah, well
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05:14<Hideo>be careful, I heard Reiserfs is a real hard drive killer
05:14<valdyn>thats nonsense
05:14<philsf>what does that even mean?
05:14<patrikf>it does have "killer performance" though
05:15<Hideo>that it does... that it does...
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05:16<screenn>congratulations, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 released!!!
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05:16<Hideo>I don't believe you, topic hasn't changed yet >:(
05:16<Gathond>Hideo: check the website then
05:17<stew>Hideo: which topic?
05:17<Gathond>of cause you might not trust these new fangled website thingies:)
05:17<Hideo>I refuse to believe the website >:(
05:17<stew>Hideo: believe ?
05:18<Hideo>no... only #debian
05:18<stew>Hideo: but you don't trust our /topic ?
05:18<vfaronov>Hideo: /topic says "lenny released!" for me
05:18<vfaronov>Hideo: so you're mostly cornered
05:18<screenn>it's unbelievably, but that is a fact we have the new stable release!
05:19<Hideo>oops, wow when did it update
05:19<Hideo>I swear it wasn't there 30 mins ago
05:19<stew>Hideo: i changed it 15 minutes ago
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05:21<Hideo>well here's to Debian, the greatest distro of them all! *cheers*
05:21<fxiny>topic changed ? hmmm
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05:22<fxiny>ahhaah good one !
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05:22<dpkg>from memory, lenny is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009: or Lenny is the binoculars or Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>.
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05:24<themill>stew: so what's the official release date then, 14th as it says on the announcement or 15th as it says on that factoid?
05:24<vfaronov>Ladies and gentlemen, prepare your BitTorrent facilities.
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05:25<themill>stew: (and why aren't you in bed?)
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05:26<JordiGH>!champagne everyone
05:26*dpkg puts on a black catsuit and showers everyone in the finest Mercier champagne.
05:26<Hideo>wait, squeeze, the name of the new testing, is that a character in Toy Story?
05:26<fxiny>dunno if 14 or 15 but some lenny/stable packages like snort were already avaiable yesterday
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05:26<stew>Hideo: the thre eye'd green alien squeeze toys
05:27<stew>hah, he really did it
05:27<stew>"use `env TZ=US/Hawaii
05:27<stew>mutt` to start the mutt you'll send the announcement with :-P
05:27<fxiny>so i belive lenny opened the eyes yesterday , had a nap , and a full drink today :P
05:27<stew>themill: look at the announcement, he sent it "from hawaii" to get UTC -1100
05:27<stew>themill: i guess its the 14th
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05:28<philsf>isn't *every* release name a character from toy story?
05:28*JordiGH spanks lenny, cuts the umbilical chord, places it in the loving arms of the ftp masters.
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05:28<stew>philsf: since they started naming them
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05:28<fxiny>i'm sure on my timezone some lenny/stable packages were avaiable on the 14
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05:28<philsf>well, one day we'll run out of characters
05:28<philsf>how many are left?
05:29<pabs>there is always TS2
05:29<stew>and TS3:
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05:29<pabs>oh, didn't know about that one
05:29<stew>pabs: (2010)
05:30<philsf>nice, so debian is assured to keep releasing characters for quite some time yet
05:30<Hideo>is the MPAA paying Debian to promote Toy Story? =P
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05:30<philsf>Hideo: is debian paying royalties to mpaa?
05:30<stew>philsf: certainly not
05:30<Hideo>f*ck that
05:31<philsf>stew: jsut kidding :)
05:31<JordiGH>Hideo: There's no trademark violation here, since we aren't making a movie about toys.
05:31<fxiny>JordiGH: what chord is that ? c i presume :P
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05:31<JordiGH>fxiny: cord?
05:31<JordiGH>fxiny: What a silly thing English is, using two different spellings for the same etymology.
05:31<fxiny>JordiGH: c chord sounds better :)
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05:33<JordiGH>what, no slashdot announcement yet?
05:33<JordiGH>Did the royal messengers not make it to Slashdot?
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05:33<fxiny>JordiGH: no /. !
05:33<Hideo>it'll be on there... 3 days too late, as always :P
05:34<fxiny>i've checked all places : reddit wired and more ,news puppets are drunk
05:34<JordiGH>Probably when cmdr_taco gets off his Valentine's Day coated arse.
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05:36<pabs>IIRC the Debian publicity folks asked them to hold off till an official announce
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05:37<fxiny>yes ? ok
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05:55<bartc>it's on slashdot now
05:55<weasel>so it must be true
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06:02<gpb>best comment so far on /.
06:02<gpb>"Savor this moment guys, a Debian release is like a Solar eclipse, you are lucky if you get to see one in your lifetime!"
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06:04<Internat>anyone know what version of gcc was used to make the lenny 2.6.26 kernel?
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06:05<pabs>Internat: check the build logs
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06:06<Internat>im confused
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06:07<robertk>debian lenny ist draußen :-)
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06:13<Internat>spam detection
06:14<Internat>its ok i got your msgs
06:14<Internat>thanks :)
06:14<gpb>i f*cking hate these pseudo-spam-detectors
06:14<Internat>im confused as to why it htinkts it was built 4.1.3
06:14<Internat>i live on its from the old days
06:14<gpb>who thins 4.1.3?
06:15<gpb>and perhaps some not-updated-recently package still has 4.1.3?
06:15<Internat>vmware configure thinks the kernel was built with 4.1.3
06:15<Internat>which makes me think im not running the right kernel somehow
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06:15<gpb>hmmm, what dows uname -a say?
06:16<Internat>Linux screamer 2.6.26-1-686
06:16<Internat>pretty sure that should be -17
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06:19<gpb>package name still is 2.6.26-1-686 for lenny
06:19<gpb>or better
06:20<Internat>then i dont know why it thinks it was built against 4.1.3
06:22<pabs>Internat: it specifically build-depends on 4.1 so presumably it doesn't compile with 4.3 or something:
06:22<enouf>Internat: cat /proc/version
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06:22<enouf>.26 was using 4.1
06:22<Internat>nf@screamer:~$ cat /proc/version
06:23<enouf>see the (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) part?
06:23<Internat>so it is 4.1.3
06:23<Internat>yeah.. i didnt know how to find that.. Thanks :)
06:23<enouf>so, install it, then export CC=gcc-4.1.3 and compile away, or whatever
06:24<Internat>thanks :)
06:24<enouf>i just saw some messages in the -kernel channel concerning 4.x vs 4.3 and i think now it's been changed, or will shortly - not sure though
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06:25<enouf>i think there was only certain ARCH(es) holding it back ; but ...
06:25<enouf>[10:19:38] <waldi> Subject: gcc-4.3-i486-linux-gnu_4.3.3-3+1_powerpc.changes ACCEPTE
06:25<enouf>[10:19:41] <waldi> better
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06:27<enouf>debootstrap ! :-)
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06:29<fxiny>SLASH DOT
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06:30<zhangsha>when i dpkg --purge vsftpd, Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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06:31<fxiny> /. "The Debian Project also wishes to announce that this release is dedicated to Thiemo Seufer"
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06:32<JordiGH>A tear shed for those lost.
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06:35<jackyf>lenny! :)
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06:37<Lenny>Err Hi Guys :)
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06:38<mk_>congratulations debian people!!!!! lenny is out!
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06:44<Guest115>do debian cd's have contrib and non-free or can i get those only from an online repo ?
06:44<Dargor>you can get everything from the online repos
06:44<Dargor>havent used a cd in ages.
06:45<Guest115>i have set up a local repo with deb file (from man sources.list) with the first four debian cd's, and they all work with main, but none have contrib or non-free
06:45<JordiGH>Guest115: contrib and non-free are not officially part of Debian, so they don't ship in the official distro, which is the CDs.
06:46<Guest115>JordiGH, ok , so how do i get them ?
06:46<JordiGH>Guest115: contrib and non-free are provided as a courtesy, but with less of a promise of support than the rest of Debian.
06:46<JordiGH>Guest115: From an online repo. :-/
06:46<Guest115>JordiGH, i mean download them in an iso
06:46<JordiGH>Guest115: There is no such ISO.
06:47<adema>hey got a question
06:47<JordiGH>too many Guests, name yourselves!
06:47<Guest115>well i really am i guest
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06:48<JordiGH>Guest115: I think that not shipping non-free in ISOs is how Debian reminds you how evil non-free is. ;-)
06:48<Guest115>JordiGH, yeah, but contrib?
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06:48<Guest115>JordiGH, lot's of stuff happend there
06:49<adema>i installed debian with a normal i386 cd, but i just realized that a core 2 duo is a 64bits cpu, so should i reinstall with a ia64 cd ?
06:49<JordiGH>Guest115: I can't remember, actually. I actually have vague memories that contrib is in the cds.
06:49<dr|z3d>adema: Depends if you want 32bit or 64bit Linux..
06:49<JordiGH>adema: Do you really need it? And note that ia64 isn't the same as amd64.
06:50<Guest115>JordiGH, well not in the first four for sure
06:50<adema>i know it's different
06:50<adema>i just want what's best for my laptop
06:50<JordiGH>adama: core 2 duo is amd64.
06:50<adema>amd ??
06:51<JordiGH>adema: Yeah, ia64 is something else, another chip made by Intel. Itanium isn't core 2 duo.
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06:51<Gathond>adema: amd64 is in the case a name for 64 bit X86's
06:51<Gathond>I think intel calls it x84_64 or some such oem em64t
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06:52<adema>it's a bit strange anyway^^
06:52<JordiGH>adema: Unless you have specific needs or more than 4 gigs of RAM, you're not going to notice much difference between 64 bits or 32, and in some rare situations you might even see a slowdown in 64bits (if you do certain kinds of number crunching, for example).
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06:53<Guest115>can i get 1680x1200 in console?
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06:53<JordiGH>Guest115: which console? ttys?
06:53<JordiGH>Guest: Ack, name yourself, it's annoying to tab-complete your name.
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06:54<blablablame>JordiGH, the max i had was 1400 or so
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06:55<JordiGH>blablablame: That sounds really high. Do you know that your monitor can handle it? Did you try passing vga parameters to the kernel?
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06:56<blablablame>hwinfo --framebuffer shows max is 1400x1050 for my card (nvidia 6200 256mb), but people with older cards (like riva) got it to 1680 or so, so i was wondering.
06:57<blablablame>makes no difference if i pass video=nvidia
06:57<blablablame>it's an 22'' monitor so the default font size too big
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06:58<wekt>What were results of the vote to remove non-GPL code from linux for debian?
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06:59<pabs>postponed till after lenny is released IIRC
06:59<pabs>but s/non-GPL/non-free/
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06:59<amacater>Non-free isn't part of Debian :)
07:00<fxiny>wekt: did you tell me something about suspend to ram long ago , was it just about pam_mount ? ?
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07:01<amacater>Firmware/binary blobs - there was a fudge around that, in order to speed the Lenny release, we'd assume GPL compliance for redistributable code for the moment unless obviously non-GPL and non redistributable
07:01<amacater>The firmware issue will be revisited at some point - as probably will be the rationale for non-free, I guess
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07:02<dazjorz>the new name of testing is squeeze?
07:02<wekt>fxiny: I haven't used suspend to ram for a long time. I've forgotten any association to pam_mount by now. Suspend to disk, I expect, would write things that should be secure insecurely to disk - so should avoid it.
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07:03<fxiny>wekt: is because , looking for docs , i found this interesting url
07:04<fxiny>i already use keyfiles no porbs
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07:04<fxiny>but i do not supend to ram
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07:05<pabs>wekt: you can put swap inside LUKS so it is encrypted when you suspend
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07:06<wekt>pabs: then you enter key for swap when you resume?
07:06<pabs>for the whole disk, but yeah
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07:07<fxiny>pabs: my swap is in a dedicated encrypted partition, but there are issues with data loss when suspending . that url offers a nice solution . i have not test it yet
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07:13<onur>Hi. I have a problem. I am trying to make a debian package. I am successfully building my package. I am uploading this package to my host. When i try to get package with dget, it's saying: dscverify: vdr-plugin-softdevice_0.5.0-1.dsc failed signature check. But `gpg --verify vdr-plugin-softdevice_0.5.0-1.dsc' is saying: gpg: Good signature from "Onur Aslan... I dont found the problem. Do you have any idea?
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07:20<jackyf>onur: pastebin package build log
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07:28<jackyf>onur: looks good...
07:28<jackyf>do you have uploaded all three actual files to host?
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07:29<gpb>I just projected when squeeze will become stable
07:29<gpb>if lenny is stable the same duration as etch was (678 days) the next stable would be 24.12.2010
07:30<pabs>but will it come before or after Toy Story 3?!
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07:30<sevele>hello everyone
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07:32<jackyf>onur: try contacting devscripts' maintainers
07:33<gpb>pabs: are we out of Codenames already so we need Toy Story 3? :D
07:34<fxiny>why ? i'm waiting for ugly scud :P
07:34<fxiny>nasty release :P
07:34<onur>jackyf: it's only working when i use dscverify with --no-default-keyrings option.
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07:35<jackyf>onur: try also asking in #debian-mentors
07:35<onur>ok thank you jackyf
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07:39<etenil>Hi everyone
07:39<etenil>congratulations for the release of Lenny ;-)
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07:41<etenil>I have a question about apt, I have an offline machine and I'd like to generate a download script to install a package and dependancies. How can I do that?
07:41*patrikf just migrated three systems to lenny without any problems whatsoever
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07:41<iobound>Hi, when I try to do 'aptitude update' on my nslu2 after changing sources to lenny, I get: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 4D270D06F42584E6"
07:42<patrikf>etenil: if its possible, easiest would be to first select the package in aptitude, resolve possible conflicts etc.
07:42<Stuckey>etenil: I looked into that a while ago and didn't really find any information on how to do it; I ended up just doing it dependency-by-dependency. I believe though that someone said something about a program called "apt-zip".
07:42<patrikf>etenil: but instead of hitting "g", quit aptitude and run "aptitude install" (without arguments) when you want it to install the stuff
07:42<blablablame>how can i make dpkg forget about packages that were purged?
07:42<patrikf>etenil: oops, misunderstood your question.
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07:43<etenil>patrikf: I have found info on apt-zip
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07:43<pjj>my debian 64 bit netinstall cd doesn't boot :( , (Loading /install.amd/vmlinuz. doesn't go further than that)
07:43<etenil>patrikf: Looks like what I'm looking for
07:44<pjj>it's on a core2duo laptop from acer
07:44<EmleyMoor>blablablame: Why do you want to?
07:44<Stuckey>Does anyone know if there's an nvidia driver in the debian non-free repository?
07:44<dpkg>module-assistant is probably a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare
07:44<patrikf>Stuckey: ^^^^
07:44<blablablame>EmleyMoor, well can i?
07:45<rettub>iobound: same for me - dono why yet :(
07:45<graytron>iobound: same here
07:45<iobound>could it be volatile?
07:45<patrikf>Stuckey: makes it as simple as "module-assistant auto-install nvidia"
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07:45<graytron>iobound: except i get the warming when i just want to keep at oldstable :)
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07:45<blablablame>EmleyMoor, what i mean is , if i search for a package that was purged, like dpkg -l package it shows up with "pn" , can i make it not showing up at all?
07:46<iobound>hah :)
07:46<iobound>graytron: on an nslu2?
07:46<Stuckey>patrikf: okay so I have to download the driver from nvidia?
07:46<graytron>iobound: no, i mean i get the same warning with aptitude update :D
07:46<iobound>graytron: yes but do you have an nslu2?
07:46<graytron>iobound: no
07:46<rettub>Internat: what's about: ' lenny main'
07:46<patrikf>Stuckey: no, it's in non-free
07:46<graytron>iobound: but i think its the same issue :)
07:47<iobound>graytron: do you use the volatile repositories
07:47<patrikf>Stuckey: m-a will do everything for you, download, compile, create a .deb, install it
07:47<rettub>syr s/Internat/iobound/
07:47<Stuckey>patrikf: impressive
07:47<graytron>iobound: nope. i only have etch, lenny & sid sources in sources.list
07:47<iobound>rettub: i don't have debian-multimedia on that machine so it's not that
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07:47<graytron>iobound: i guess we needs lenny's release.gpg or something
07:48<pjj>any idea why my lenny cd doesn't want togo further than : "Loading /install.amd/vmlinuz.....) or does it take a while to start up, every X minutes it adds a dot behind it
07:48<iobound>well it's not stopping the upgrade in anyway so...
07:48<Stuckey>patrikf: do you know which package it's downloading exactly? I don't see one named just "nvidia".
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07:52<Lance4>Debian newbe right here! But no newbe to Linux
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07:53<rettub>I can't do 'safe-upgrade' cause of 'libcups2: Conflicts: libcupsys2 (< 1.3.7-6) but 1.2.7-4etch6 is installed and it is kept back' - so I've to use 'full-upgrade' - right? Or is there an other solution
07:54<rettub>same for ghostscript
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07:55<rettub>I wonder cause 'libcupsys2' is a dummy package
07:56<graytron>iobound: "sudo aptitude install debian-archive-keyring=2009.01.31" fixed that for me
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07:56<iobound>graytron: k thanks
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07:58<Lance4>ok I'm on debian 40 r5 or r7 something close to that and min. after I installed 5.0 was released and I said "no now what?" So I went to the debian site and tried updating, no use I can't get anything to update please help!!
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07:59<blablablame>do i have to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status to make dpkg really forget about "purge ok not-installed" packages or is there another way?
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08:00<abrotman>!tell Lance4 about etch->lenny
08:01<abrotman>blablablame: should be a way in man dpkg i'd think
08:02<patrikf>Stuckey: nvidia-kernel-source iirc
08:02<blablablame>abrotman, i don't see one, i tought it was this one --forget-old-unavail but aint
08:02<patrikf>Stuckey: but you'll need some others for glx too
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08:03<Stuckey>patrikf: How do I determine what all is needed? And which cards it supports?
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08:03<blablablame>why do i get small solid squares in console instead of ' or ` ?
08:03<abrotman>blablablame: is the package actually still avaialable ?
08:04<abrotman>blablablame: which IRC client are you using? and which locales did you generate ?
08:04<patrikf>Stuckey: does that computer lack network connection?
08:04<blablablame>abrotman, :) in my tty
08:04<Stuckey>patrikf: it has a network connetion
08:04<blablablame>abrotman, not irc
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08:04<patrikf>Stuckey: then put non-free in your sources.list and let aptitude figure out the details
08:04<blablablame>abrotman, locales says LANG=en_US.UTF-8
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08:05<blablablame>abrotman, do i need to change the locale to what ? and how?
08:05<abrotman>which terminal are you using ?
08:05<blablablame>abrotman, in tty (text mode)
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08:05<Stuckey>patrikf: okay I'll try that thanks.
08:05<blablablame>abrotman, ctr-alt-F1
08:05<Stuckey>Could anyone tell me how to burn a DVD from the terminal?
08:06<abrotman>blablablame: in which application ? or really just the command line ?
08:06<blablablame>abrotman, in man for example
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08:06<patrikf>Stuckey: install cdrkit and read man wodim
08:06<iobound>Stuckey: man growisofs
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08:07<patrikf>oh, no cdrkit package anymore? then install wodim and growisofs ;-)
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08:07<artista-frustrado>I've got a problem with a scanjet 4c connected to a Adaptec AHA-7850 scsi pci controller
08:09<artista-frustrado>the controller dumps its state every time I try to scan something
08:09<artista-frustrado>dmesg finishes with aic7xxx_dev_reset returns 0x2002
08:12<Stuckey>Does anyoen know if there's support for LightScribe in Linux?
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08:13<Lance4>ok so how do I edit sources.list?
08:13<Stuckey>iobound: this growisofs isn't for burning is it? It's for creating an .iso file?
08:13<Stuckey>Lance4: as root, run gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
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08:14<datak>and does anybody how to add the 'open terminal here'to right click menu in Nautilus.plz?
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08:17<Lance4>and how do I run in root?
08:17<blablablame>anyone knows why my LG lcd , in console (tty) from time to time lowers the light? it's like it want's to go in standby, stays like that 3 to 4 secs and then light's full again, i know the screen blanks after a while (like a console screensaver?) but this is different
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08:17<abrotman>Lance4: it's probably easier if you use a CLI text editor
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08:18<abrotman>command line
08:18<abrotman>text mode
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08:18<Stuckey>Would the proper way to burn an .iso image be with Joliet and ROck-Ridge extentions?
08:19<datak>@Stuckey yes
08:19<abrotman>Lance4: are you in X now ? you can use something like xterm .. use su to become root .. then use something like nano to edit that file
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08:19<Stuckey>I'm really confused about this... I just want to put an .iso on a DVD
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08:20<Lance4>how do I get to x?
08:20<blablablame>and i notice the same behaviour in X too, when say, i maximize an terminal (with black background with white it doesn't happed)
08:20<abrotman>Lance4: if you're not using X .. just skip that part and become root with su and use nano
08:20<datak>2Lance startx
08:20<dr|z3d>Lance4: startx
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08:20<abrotman>just skip using X
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08:21<iobound>Stuckey: it's for burning too i believe
08:21<Lance4>im in nano now what?
08:21<Stuckey>iobound: what's the difference between it and wodim?
08:22<iobound>don't know
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08:22<abrotman>Lance4: did you open the file? change where it says 'etch' to say 'lenny'
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08:22<Lance4>I can't save it!
08:23<Lance4>its in read only mode
08:23<abrotman>did you become root first ?
08:23<abrotman>that's why
08:23<Lance4>how do I
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08:23<abrotman>with 'su'
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08:23<Xyem># su -
08:23<abrotman>Lance4: if you're not using X .. just skip that part and become root with su and use nano
08:23<Lance4>su typed where?
08:24<abrotman>in the console
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08:24<dazjorz>Can I get a list of all the packages installed from a particular repository?
08:24<abrotman>get out of nano .. type .. 'su' .. then type the password .. then when you're root, type nano /etc/apt/sources.list .. and change etch to lenny ...
08:24<dazjorz>something like a "reverse apt-cache policy"
08:24<abrotman>!tell dazjorz about which repo
08:24<sheldonh>i've given up on apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng as viable apt caching infrastructure for a large network of debian servers and amd now considering squid3. i don't see anything obvious about concurrency limits in the default squid3.conf. will squid3 just keep accepting and processing connections until it falls over? that's pretty close to the behaviour i want, actually :)
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08:25<Xyem>sheldonh, have you tried 'approx'?
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08:25<dazjorz>abrotman: yes - but I wanted the "reverse" of that, i.e. not find the repository belonging to a package, but a list of packages belonging to a repository
08:25<Lance4>everywhere it says etch?
08:26<abrotman>dazjorz: did you read it ?
08:26<abrotman>Lance4: yes .. except any CDROM lines
08:26<abrotman>if you have them .. though they should be commented out anyways
08:26<dazjorz>abrotman: Yes - though I didn't fully understand the large command listed, could you confirm it does what I wanted?
08:26<sheldonh>Xyem: i haven't, and to be frank, i've had enough of these "value added" apt proxy ideas. they don't seem to add enough value to compensate for that they're not written with scalability in mind. so i'm thinking let me just use something that's got over a decade of testing at scale under its belt
08:26<abrotman>dazjorz: why are you questioning me!?!
08:27<sheldonh>Xyem: how many hosts are you serving with approx?
08:27<dazjorz>abrotman: I'll ask my shell ;)
08:27<abrotman>sheldonh: did you try apt-proxy also ?
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08:27<dazjorz>looks interesting
08:28<sheldonh>abrotman: i think we were using apt-proxy first, even before apt-cacher :)
08:28<Xyem>Only a couple so I can't say anything for scalability
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08:28<sheldonh>abrotman: i doubt any of these things have been tested for handling more than 200 hosts at a time
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08:28<abrotman>sheldonh: i think apt-proxy has been around longer than apt-cacher
08:28<sheldonh>abrotman: apt-cacher-ng is a joke. it has a hardcoded "freak out and stop doing anything useful" limit of 200 in the code :)
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08:29<sheldonh>abrotman: yes, and gave us more problems :)
08:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 427] by debhelper
08:29<sheldonh>abrotman: frequent death, alas
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08:29<abrotman>once shoujld be enough :)
08:29<Xyem>I just use apt-mirror/apache now
08:29<sheldonh>anyway, forget i said anything about apt-caching, and i only have a question about squid configuration ;)
08:29<sysop>hi all
08:29<Xyem>Hey sysop
08:29<Lance4>ok once I edit it how do I save?
08:29<sheldonh>Xyem: are you allowed to mirror if you don't make it publically available?
08:30<abrotman>Lance4: i thought nano told you at the bottom of the screen
08:30<Xyem>sheldonh. yeah
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08:30<Xyem>Lance4., Ctrl + O
08:30<Lance4>one sec
08:31<sheldonh>Xyem: oooooooh. when i suggested mirroring, one of the guys on my team said we weren't allowed to unless we made our mirror public, and he said it with such conviction that i just believed him :)
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08:31<abrotman>sheldonh: that's not true at all
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08:31<Xyem>Well my mirror only serves my household ( 5 machines )
08:31<iobound>sheldonh: haha then you wouldn't be allowed to install debian without making the machine publically available either
08:31<sheldonh>iobound: ha! point :)
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08:32<Xyem>I don't have the upload capacity to make it public ( 50kb/s with throttle cap at 500MB )
08:32<sheldonh>well that solves that, thanks very much guys. time to stop monkeying about with half-arsed work-arounds and just mirror
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08:32*Xyem thumbs up
08:32<madnashua>hi, I'm a bit new to debian. I've had testing running for the last couple of months (for an updated python package), now that lenny is stable should I change my sources.list to point to the stable repos?
08:32<Xyem>madnashua, depends if you want to continue following testing
08:32<iobound>madnashua: it should point to the release name always, 'lenny', otherwise you'll get surprises like tonight
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08:33<abrotman>madnashua: pointing at lenny is fine .. currently lenny and stable are the same
08:33<Xyem>and whether your sources.list says lenny or testing
08:33<sheldonh>iobound: how long was it "tonight" with etch? ;)
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08:33<Stuckey>Anyone know how to tell the /dev address of a certain DVD rom drive on a machine?
08:33<Xyem>I have a question of my own, I'm new to Debian ( trying to move from Ubuntu )
08:33<Stuckey>Xyem: Ask
08:33<iobound>sheldonh: not sure i get you? when the symlink switches and you're unprepared for it and update mindlessly you might get a shock
08:33<Lance4>ok ! got sources.list edited now how do I update from 4.0 r7 to 5.0?
08:33<sheldonh>abrotman: you sure lenny and stable are currently the same thing?
08:34<Stuckey>Lance4: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
08:34<sheldonh>iobound: release delay joke :)
08:34<Stuckey>Lance4: Read stuff on
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08:34<Xyem>I installed the RC2 of Lenny last night ( right before it was released apparently :P ) and then changed to sid as I want to follow that
08:34<abrotman>sheldonh: /topic
08:34<Xyem>But sid seems way behind Intrepid which is several months old now..
08:34<Lance4>oh so now I follow the web site info
08:34<iobound>Xyem: wait a couple of days and you'll get an avalanche of new packages
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08:35<madnashua>iobound: ah ok, I'll switch to lenny. I'm happy with the system as is, thanks :)
08:35<sheldonh>abrotman: ugh. tomorrow's gonna be a nightmare :)
08:35<Xyem>So I was wondering, does 'sid' freeze or something similiar until the stable is released?
08:35<iobound>Xyem: yes
08:35<Lance4>I'll be back if something wrong happens
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08:35<Xyem>Good luck Lance4
08:35<Xyem>Ah, that makes sense
08:35<sheldonh>abrotman: still says no release date has been set, and i've been watching that :(
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08:36<abrotman>sheldonh: i can't control the website too!
08:36<Xyem>I needed a newer kernel for my wireless ( iwlagn )
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08:36<sheldonh>abrotman: you're fired :)
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08:36<themill>sheldonh: you might want to refresh that page then
08:36<EmleyMoor>Apart from my main machine I am now absolutely up to date
08:36<abrotman>it's possible the website didn't get pushed yet?
08:36<Xyem>So tomorrow, my laptop breaks? :D
08:36<sheldonh>nope, stale webcache
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08:37<iobound>Xyem: right after unfreeze sid usually gets a bit rough around the edges
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08:37<iobound>Xyem: use "apt-get upgrade" instead of dist-upgrade and let it breaking hold stuff back
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08:38<sheldonh>torrent must be pretty warm right now ;)
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08:38<OdyX>sheldonh: download of multiple images up to 2.5 Mb/s
08:38<Xyem>iobound, on the sid FAQ or something, it says "do you know what to do if XYZ breaks".. my answer is "No, but I'm willing to learn"
08:38<Xyem>I hope that qualifies :)
08:38<polywaffle>anyone care to tell me what version of networkmanager and nm-applet lenny uses by default plz
08:38<sheldonh>so now i guess sarge/updates will drop off soon?
08:38<patrikf>!tell polywaffle about
08:38<EmleyMoor>I suppose I can say I have one machine on squeeze now but nothing has changed yet
08:38<patrikf>!tell polywaffle about pdo
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08:39<Stuckey>sheldonh: there's something going on/planned to keep all archives.
08:39<abrotman>polywaffle: use
08:39<sheldonh>Stuckey: good news. but sarge will stop receiving security updates soon, right?
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08:39<Xyem>Oh, I have another question about RAM usage
08:39<Stuckey>sheldonh: I'm not sure
08:39<Xyem>Or maybe more specifically about 'free'
08:40<sheldonh>Stuckey: the next DSA will reveal all ;)
08:40<themill>sheldonh, Stuckey: sarge stopped receiving security updates last March
08:40<sheldonh>i thought oldstable continued to receive updates until testing became stable :(
08:40<Xyem>How do I calculate what the actual usage ( without cache or buffers or anything ) is?
08:40<themill>dpkg: tell sheldonh about oldstable security
08:41<fous>hi all
08:41<themill>sheldonh: no, about 12 months after the previous release
08:41<Xyem>Hey fous
08:41<fous>i got some problem with update keys
08:41<fous>W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
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08:41<fous>whats the right way of corection this problem?
08:41<sheldonh>phew. so when we're not having an etch release debacle, the support lifecycle on debian is actually pretty tight\
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08:42<iobound>fous: someone else said they apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
08:42<sheldonh>themill: no wait. that policy would have it work out to about 3 years of security support per release, right?
08:42<Icoo>guys just a quick question...when will the first squeeze cds start to show up?
08:42<themill>sheldonh: something close to that, yes
08:42<fous>iobound: thx ;)
08:43<sheldonh>it's gonna be an interesting week :)
08:43<themill>it is?
08:44<EmleyMoor>How long do we expect it to be before squeeze starts diverging from lenny?
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08:44<Icoo>I am probably getting a new PC on Monday and I would like to install sqeeze but I cant find any CDs for testing
08:44<sheldonh>speaking of weeks... was 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24 a security update? i caused quite a commotion at work (rebooting 1,100 cheap servers in multiple data centres is painful) because i was concerned that the changelog deliberately excluded a serious security issue, but i didn't see any follow-up DSA
08:44<EmleyMoor>Icoo: Nothing has changed yet
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08:45<Icoo>I know its the same as Lenny right now...but I need at lest a net inst cd of squeeze to do a fresh install and stay on testing
08:45<sisifo>so, now that lenny is stable, apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade my system to the next testing ?
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08:46<iobound>Icoo: just install a minimal stable lenny install and switch to squeeze afterwards
08:46<EmleyMoor>Icoo: You could do one of lenny and edit your sources.list to "testing"
08:46<EmleyMoor>At this point the effect is the same
08:46*themill thinks all of these questions should be answered with "IYHTAYS"
08:47<Icoo>so when will the flood gates open (new packages comming into squeeze)
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08:48<sheldonh>themill: if you have to ask, you...?
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08:48<EmleyMoor>... shouldn't
08:48<sheldonh>how disappointing :)
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08:49<themill>If you don't know that you can get squeeze by installing lenny, then you shouldn't be going anywhere near it for about 2 months prior to the release. (i.e. for a year or more)
08:49<sheldonh>wait. themill, were you responding to sisifo or me? :)
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08:50<EmleyMoor>I have had a box on testing since testing was sarge
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08:51<sisifo>I'm using testing. Now that Lenny is out, shouldn't dist-upgrade do an upgrade to all the packages ?
08:51<sisifo>It only upgraded 4!
08:51<EmleyMoor>sisifo: No need
08:52<EmleyMoor>If you stay on testing you will end up with squeeze as it diverges
08:52<sheldonh>sisifo: debian's QA wouldn't be much good if the difference between release day and the day before was hundreds of packages
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08:52<sisifo>got it.
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08:53<sisifo>but, after dist-upgrade to testing: cat /etc/issue
08:53<sisifo>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l
08:53<themill>sisifo: depends on what you have in your sources.list. If you have lenny, you'll get lenny; if you have testing, you'll get testing.
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08:53<sisifo>i have testing
08:53<person>When I copy a load of debs from another system into my cache, aptitude does not use these packages and instead decides to go and download them from the repo again. How can I make it use the cached packaegs?
08:53<avu>sisifo, testing was just copied from lenny
08:54<avu>sisifo, there's no new version of base-files yet
08:54<sisifo>ok thanks
08:54<avu>(or anything else for that matter)
08:54<sheldonh>person: where did you put the files?
08:54<dazjorz>how interesting to see this move happen from close-by
08:54<flair>hi is there a rule i need to add to iptables if i want to apt-get
08:54<dazjorz>I've seen I think two debian releases, but I followed this one closely, quite fascinating
08:54<person>sheldonh: in /var/cache/apt/archives. Thanks.
08:54<Xyem>Do the sid packages get a full update overnight via a script?
08:54<flair>i can access web, can apt-get update, but gets stuck when i try to download apt-get install blah
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08:55<sheldonh>person: and you're sure they're for the versions and architecture that you're trying to install?
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08:56<person>sheldonh: I'll just check that I'm using an amd64 system
08:56<person>They say amd64 in them
08:56<RaNDoM>can anyone help me? I need to know the best way to set up ftp for bothe public and private access
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08:57<person>sheldonh: Hmm, maybe it's worked this time
08:57<RaNDoM>I have pure-ftpd installed ok but not sure how to configure it
08:57<gpb>don't use FTP? ;-)
08:57<RaNDoM>use what then??
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08:57<gpb>for private access I'd use anything else for security reasons
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08:58<RaNDoM>that doesn't help a newbie m8
08:58<gpb>isn't there some pure-ftpd example conf in Documentation
08:58<person>Hmm, maybe I just didn't copy all the packages I needed
08:58<dazjorz>RaNDoM: I, and probably us all here, recommend either SFTP or SCP
08:58<RaNDoM>is there a gui package that uses pure-ftpd
08:59<dazjorz>RaNDoM: you need to configure pure-ftpd using the configuration file
08:59<sheldonh>person: excellent :)
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08:59<dazjorz>RaNDoM: the easiest way: install openssh-server, add a UNIX user for every FTP user you want using adduser, set the password using passwd
09:00<RaNDoM>would i be right to assume the pure-ftpd.conf file is not created when the daemon is installed?
09:00<person>sheldonh: Thanks for offering help, sorry for being silly :P
09:00<dazjorz>RaNDoM: it is probably created when the daemon is installed
09:00<RaNDoM>yes I will add users
09:00<dazjorz>RaNDoM: if it's not, check /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd/ or similar
09:00<dazjorz>they usually contain configuration examples
09:00<RaNDoM>but I also need to create a public anon ftp
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09:03<sheldonh>person: no worries
09:03<RaNDoM>one other question: what if i want to point more than one user at a single secured share
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09:04<dazjorz>by the way - these packages with their version set to 1.234-5lenny6 for example - where is that version number set? in debian/control of the source archive or something?
09:04<dazjorz>how exactly is that number built?
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09:07<sheldonh>Xyem: can you tell me how much space your mirror uses (and which release you're mirroring)?
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09:12<smartiger101>is there anyone here?
09:12<cahoot>I think he left
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09:13<smartiger101>I am new here
09:13<smartiger101>could you let me know where you are from?
09:14<abrotman>do you have a debian support question?
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09:14<smartiger101>NO,J just using this chat program,
09:15<smartiger101>i use Ubuntu operating system
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09:15<amphi>smartiger101: try #ubuntu on
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09:19<dazjorz>missed the slash there
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09:23<wea0>I have been using Lenny for a long time. Now that it is stable I still want constantly updated packages. What should I do? Just change every entry in sources.lst from lenny to squeeze?
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09:25<gpb>then you'll get the new testing
09:25<gpb>but I'd wait a few days since the changes need to trickle down first
09:25<path>wow there're tons of changes on devel-changes
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09:25<wea0>But then it'll just work?
09:26<gpb>it should...
09:27<newbie>iam trying to setup a tftp server in debian lenny does not work...I have tried installing tftpd and atftpd but still no luck ...pls help
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09:29<gpb>what's your exact problem?
09:29<gpb>not serving files?
09:29<newbie>not serving or accepting files
09:29<gpb>hmmm, it's a long long time i used it
09:30<gpb>is the tftp locatin read-/writable for the tftp user?
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09:31<newbie>sorry iam trying to set up this for first time .....I have a location which has been given read write access to every one and i tried the following command
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09:31<newbie>atftpd -r 30 home/test/TFTP/ --daemon --trace
09:32<newbie>but when i do ps-ef| grep atftp I do not find atftp started for some reason
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09:37<tonyblob>happy lenny day
09:37<newbie>I also tried /etc/init.d/atftpd start
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09:41<newbie>plz help
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09:42<gpb>have you looked in log files?
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09:47<Xyem>You still here sheldonh?
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09:58<Stuckey>Hello, does anyone know how I can find the current pppoe configuration settings on a machine, where the configuration file is located?
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10:00<Stuckey>nevermind found it
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10:12<Plasm>I have some problem with the lenny netinst for amd64. When trying to access any debian mirror i get 'Bad archive mirror'. There seems to be a valid network setup though. At least the access to a time server passed without any error message. Any ideas?
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10:13<gpb>perhaps not all mirrors are synced yet?
10:13<gpb>try ?
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10:13<Plasm>i considered that... and since i have no intimate knowledge about what the installer expects i cant be sure. But there seem to be valid lenny trees present
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10:14<dpkg> is not the principal mirror for debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead. Ask me about <mirrors>. See for more information.
10:14<rd>moin moin
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10:17<Plasm>well i tried a number of mirrors. top 5 in germany.... top 3 from the US to be thorough.... all the same error message. ah well. i dont have to install today. if its still the same next week ill check if i386 is any different
10:17<Plasm>having a phenom system with 8gb ram id prefer an amd64 installation
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10:20<Lightkey>ifvoid: ping
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10:21<Stuckey>I'm about to install stable on a new machine, is there a way to have an internet connection on this machine if it's using pppoe to connect to the internet?
10:21<Stuckey>(internet connection during installation)
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10:40<dpkg><jeanpoldeux> How can I know if the cpu of my girlfriend is a 386 or a 586? <greycat> jeanpoldeux: it's proprietary.
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10:46<ifvoid>Lightkey: ?
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10:47<Lightkey>ifvoid: could it be that you never came back to FreeSCI for the new version? ;-) now it is too late! *bwahahaha** Lenny is released and FreeSCI has been taken over by ScummVM the same day! :p
10:48<ifvoid>yeah, I've been pretty busy with Real Life
10:48<ifvoid>taken over by scummvm?
10:48<Lightkey>yup *nod* *nod*
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10:49<ifvoid>ah I see
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10:49<Lightkey>_sev posted a news on just now
10:49<ifvoid>that's good news actually
10:50<ifvoid>I think scummvm development is a lot more active than freesci has been lately
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10:50<Lightkey>that was the thinking behind it
10:51<newbie>thanks gpb ..i reinstalled tftpd .I also found that I had not allowed the subnet in hosts.allow ....but still I am having an issue in accepting file to tfp is able to serve files
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10:56<FoxM>Hi. I have mouse that is listed under /proc/bus/input/devices as 'sysfs=class/input/input3' and 'handlers=mouse2 event3'. How do I configure it in xorg.conf to use it as a mouse? Note that I can't use /dev/input/mice because this is a tablet pc and to make it work, I needed to send the events for the mice to the void driver.
10:57<newbie>where should we check for tftp server logs?
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10:58<Guest145>Hi everybody, I have a problem, may be you could help me
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10:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:59<Guest145>ok, but my problem is with hardware, not with Linux
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10:59<cahoot>newbie: the first place to look would be /var/log
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11:00<Guest145>I need to recover data from a hard drive that crashed
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11:04<FoxM>Hi. I have mouse that is listed under /proc/bus/input/devices as 'sysfs=class/input/input3' and 'handlers=mouse2 event3'. How do I configure it in xorg.conf to use it as a mouse? Note that I can't use /dev/input/mice because this is a tablet pc and to make it work, I needed to send the events for the mice to the void driver.
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11:08<newbie>not able to find tftp logs in /var/log...tried /var/log/syslog ...It shows logs of my USB being inserted installed etc & other events we need to enable any logging for tftpd ?
11:09<Ikarus>so anyone have a suggestion for useful use of a fingerprint reader on your laptop, given they are insecure as hell
11:09<cahoot>newbie: the second place to look would be tftp's config file
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11:10<cahoot>Ikarus: adjust light/sound?
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11:17<gigi>xdcc send
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11:21<FoxM>Hi. I have mouse that is listed under /proc/bus/input/devices as 'sysfs=class/input/input3' and 'handlers=mouse2 event3'. How do I configure it in xorg.conf to use it as a mouse? Note that I can't use /dev/input/mice because this is a tablet pc and to make it work, I needed to send the events for the mice to the void driver.
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11:22<stuckey>I just installed stable on a computer and I'm having some trouble with the internet connection; could anyone offer me some help?
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11:26<stuckey>Here is my /etc/network/interfaces files:
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11:27<jmw>stuckey: you declare interface 'provider' twice, you also end up in a loop with your ups
11:28<jmw>interfaces is called by /sbin/ifconfig, you shouldn't call it again in your rules
11:28<stuckey>jmw: are you refering to the first file or the second?
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11:28<stuckey>jmw: Yes, but there's two files posted there.
11:29<jmw>er... why?
11:29<stuckey>jmw: the first one is the one the system made, which didn't work. The second is the one I made which works... more or less.
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11:29<jmw>stuckey: then remove your pre-up line
11:29<jmw>and call 'provider' something more useful
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11:30<stuckey>jmw: which line is the "pre-up" line?
11:30<jmw>pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up
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11:31<jmw>no wait
11:31<jmw>forget that, sorry
11:31<jmw>i can't read on a sunday
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11:35<sheldonh>Xyem: yes :)
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11:38<stuckey>Does anyone here know anything about connections over PPPoE? I installed stable with the "install modules=ppp-udeb" boot option, which configured a pppoe connection that worked during installation, but now booting into the system the connection doesn't work automatically and has to be manual configured to get an internet connection.
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11:41<T_X>hi! are there any known bugs for iwl4965 wireless chipsets? I'm having lots of packet loss, but over ad-hoc only
11:42<T_X>I've heard, that there should be some ad-hoc fixes in the 2.6.29-kernel, should just give this one a try?
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11:42<T_X>it's pretty anoying, I have to use ad-hoc, but it's not really working with this package loss
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11:46<T_X>stuckey: I just installed pppoeconf which took care of most of the stuff. it added an entry in /etc/network/interface and in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets
11:47<elashish>does anyone know why Helix isn't in Lenny repos?
11:47<stuckey>T_X: and now when you reboot it automatically brings up the internet connection?
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11:48<T_X>yes, it does
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11:49<T_X>it creates an ppp0 device and connects the computer to the internet. shall I copy some of the config files to pastebin so you could check the differences?
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11:50<stuckey>T_X: that'd be nice thanks
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11:54<wekt>elashish: because RealNetworks is run by deceiptful people (extra nice word selected) who trick their employees into signing something that would cause them to lose their stock in event of a layoff and then lay them off? Probably not the reason, but it would be a good one.
11:54<dr|z3d>wekt: *deceitful
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11:59<T_X>stuckey: here you go ->
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11:59<T_X>hope you find something in there :D
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12:00<T_X>but I think I just did it with pppoeconf. and this did not work for you?
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12:06<stuckey>T_X: I got the exact same config as you... but mine doesn't come up automatically.
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12:07<mallards>question: does apt-get include/exlude recommended packages?
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12:09<jackyf>mallards: it installs them by default
12:09<jackyf>since lenny
12:10<mallards>ok thanks
12:10<avu>mallards, (you can change that in your apt.conf if you like though)
12:13<T_X>stuckey: and pon works?
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12:13<T_X>should start the pppoe connection
12:13<T_X>and poff closes it
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12:15<billybigrigger>if im switching from lenny i386 to amd64 my /home isn't going to be compatible correct? so backup anything i need in /home and start fresh?
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12:17<T_X>ah, and sorry, of course you need a file uner /etc/ppp/peers/
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12:20<flami>Hum since I updated from etch to lenny apache cant seem to bind to port 80. i checked with netstat , but theres no process that uses the port. what else could i check ?
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12:21<fous>hi all again :)
12:21<fous>i've just updated to lenny and got no colorschemes in vim
12:21<flami>strace gives me ... -1 EADDRINUSE (Address already in use) . Im wondering why that could be .
12:21<stuckey_>T_X: sorry... my connection lagged out... did you say something?
12:21<teratoma>flami: what happens when you telnet to port 80
12:21<fous>is there some package i should install?
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12:21<T_X>eh, yes, one more thing, I forgot the files under /etc/ppp/peers/
12:21<teratoma>fous: which vim package do you have installed
12:21<flami>teratoma: connection refused
12:22<fous>teratoma: vim-fulll
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12:22<teratoma>flami: have you looked at your apache error log ?
12:22<jkoenig>fous: tried ':syn on' ?
12:22<stuckey_>T_X: okay those are also the same.
12:22<jkoenig>i don't think it's enabled by default
12:22<fous>jkoenig: vim says this E185: Cannot find color scheme desert
12:22<stuckey_>I'm just going to ask again and see if anyone knows.
12:23<teratoma>fous: fous: what does grep syntax /etc/vim/vimrc | grep -v "^\""
12:23<flami>well that would be the 2nd error : Unable to open logs
12:23<flami>teratoma: --^
12:23<teratoma>flami: looks like you have some errors to fix
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12:23<flami>i definitely do :P
12:23<teratoma>real nerds install vim-nox anyway
12:23<stuckey_>Hello, I'm having some trouble with getting my internet connection to come up automatically. I have to go to the terminal and restart networking and then bring up eth0 with ifconfig (or the reverse order) so that the internet connectino works. Could anyone here offer me some help?
12:24<BlueG>any idea why we still have OpenOffice 2.4.1 in Lenny? Are there problems with 3?
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12:24<fous>teratoma: i don't think, that there is a problem in /etc/vim/vimrc, it says
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12:24<jackyf>BlueG: because OpenOffice 3.0 released after the start of Debian Lenny freeze
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12:25<teratoma>fous: my /usr/share/vim/vimrc doesn't have that ... but i have vim-nox installed
12:25<fous>teratoma: anyway
12:25<BlueG>jackyf: oh, ok. What would be the best way to get OOo 3 running on Lenny?
12:26<teratoma>have you tried downloading openoffice 3 and running it ?
12:26<jackyf>BlueG: wait for lenny-backports or install ooo3 from unstable
12:26<jkoenig>fous: there's a desert.vim file in vim-script and vim-runtime
12:26<BlueG>teratoma: not on debian
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12:26<jkoenig>fous: you probably have vim-runtime but maybe try to install vim-script..
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12:27<jkoenig>fous: is it a scheme you chose or is it the default ?
12:27<fous>jkoenig: i use desert
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12:28<LL00>!dpkg ipw3945
12:28<dpkg>If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>.
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12:29<LL00>!dpkg iwlwifi
12:29<dpkg>[iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @
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12:29<fous>jkoenig: i've installed vim-runtime and vim-scripts, did not help
12:30<jkoenig>fous: can you paste your full /etc/vim/vimrc (and ~/.vimrc) files ?
12:30<BlueG>jackyf: so, how would you install it from unstable? would I need to build it from the source package, or is there any easy way to install the binary package from unstable without upgrading the whole system? Something about "pinning" maybe?
12:30<teratoma>i have vim-common vim-full vim-gnome vim-gui-common vim-runtime vim-tiny installed
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12:30<tcsetattr>is there a special channel for people fighting their way through an upgrade?
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12:31<jkoenig>fous: do you remember how you selected the scheme ?
12:31<teratoma>BlueG: pinning is probably what you want. you'll probably screw up your system the first couple of times. have fun
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12:32<fous>jkoenig:, i don't have ~/.vimrc, everythink is set in /etc/vim/vimrc
12:32<jkoenig>ok thanks
12:32<BlueG>teratoma: haha, I love tearing things up. Why else would I have ever played with Gentoo? :-p
12:33<jkoenig>fous: mmh, you 'runtimepath' (line 2) references an old version
12:33<jkoenig>update /usr/share/vim/vim70 to /usr/share/vim/vim71 and it should be ok
12:33<teratoma>gentoo is for quadraplegics who type with a stick strapped to their chin
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12:34<fous>jkoenig: ok, helped :) thanx, how did this happen? did i do something wrong while installation process?
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12:35<jkoenig>fous: no but since you changed the configuration file, dpkg did not install the new version
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12:35<schichtleiter>everyone celebrate!
12:35<jkoenig>fous: you probably have a /etc/vim/vimrc.dpkg-new file, which contains the new version.
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12:35*schichtleiter dances
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12:37<fous>jkoenig: absolutely right... so now my config works, thanks for help
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12:38<jkoenig>fous: you use both debian and vim.. you deserved it :-)
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12:39<fous>jkoenig: ??? is this bad combination? :)
12:39<schlurchz>Hi all. Anyone knows how to play audio cdroms with audacious? I see no such menu option, is this bug #509347? I can hardly imagine that it's outright not possible to play cdroms with audacious...
12:39<jkoenig>no I mean you deserved the help
12:39<jkoenig>fous: they're kindof my religion too :-P
12:40<fous>jkoenig: :) anyway, debian is only on my servers, on desktop runs gentoo :)
12:40<path>schichtleiter, there are plugins
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12:41<nsajeff>What are the benefits of running gentoo on a desktop?
12:41<Ananth123>free room heater
12:41<fous>nsajeff: it is really up to date :)
12:41<lopes>where you from?
12:41<path>schlurchz, I got it working on i386
12:42<teratoma>there is a large BDSM community who run gentoo
12:42<Amorphous>lopes, please don't message random people in private without their consent
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12:42<nsajeff>I'm running AMD64 and its just too many headaches for a simple desktop in my humble/inexperienced opinion
12:42<fous>teratoma: :D lol
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12:42<path>nsajeff, flash-related issues?
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12:43<nsajeff>Flash issues regardless of distro but that's beside the point! :)
12:43<Ananth123>its better to run the binary packages in some cases.....
12:43<schlurchz>path: how did you do that?
12:43<path>I've run amd64 for desktop without any pain for months
12:43<teratoma>asking about ubuntu and gentoo in #debian is kind of weird
12:43<Ananth123>and source compilation produces ultrafast binaries...
12:43<Ananth123>like swiftfox project :)
12:43<fous>teratoma: im not asking :)
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12:43<stuckey_>Hello... Does anyone here know how to set up a pppoe internet connection to come up automatically at boot?
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12:43<nsajeff>We're just discussing them. I'm personally running Deb on my servers/desktop
12:43<teratoma>those xterms just fly by!
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12:44<nsajeff>Frankly, I grew tired of Ubuntu. I experienced some very odd memory leaks that were non-existent in Deb
12:44<kapil>nsajeff: you can run in 32-bit mode on 64-bit arches. this may be more stable and even faster in some cases.
12:44<noflash>nsajeff, frankly, anything but debian is off topic in here
12:44<jkoenig>stuckey_: i think pppoeconf will ask you if you want it up on boot.
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12:45<nsajeff>I tried 32-bit, its fine/stable but my issue is recompiling the kernel for my 4gb ram is not appealing
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12:46<stuckey_>jkoenig: The program isn't installed...
12:46<nsajeff>noflash, I disagree. We're discussing the merits.
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12:46<jkoenig>stuckey_: do you have you connection running (apart from the "at boot" thing ?)
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12:46<Vanished>Hi there
12:46<stuckey_>jkoenig: Yes I'm using it right now...
12:46<jkoenig>stuckey_: how do you bring it up ?
12:46<stuckey_>jkoenig: I just restarted networking and then brought up ifconfig eth0
12:46<noflash>nsajeff, I don't care what you's channel policy
12:47<stuckey_>jkoenig: which doesn't make anysense to me... why that is that it would make it work
12:47<kapil>nsajeff: "bigmem" kernels not big enough?
12:47<nsajeff>noflash, please powertrip on someone else.
12:47<teratoma>in #centos you get kickedbanned for not following eric raymond's laws
12:47<Vanished>I have a problem with amsn-plus, I install it and activate it but it doen't colorate nicks. So I releunch amsn but amsn-plus desactivate itself and the problem is the same >_<
12:47<nsajeff>kapil, I've not used "bigmem" I may look into that
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12:48<jkoenig>stuckey_: what do you mean, "brought up ifconfig eth0" ?
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12:49<stuckey_>jkoenig: I typed "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and then "ifconfig eth0".
12:49<stuckey_>jkoenig: I typed "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and then "ifconfig eth0 up".
12:49<grummund>Hi, any mkisofs experts out there that could help me with a command line pls?
12:49<stuckey_>jkoenig: disregard the first one
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12:50<patrikf>grummund: sure you mean genisoimage? ;-)
12:50<jkoenig>can you paste /etc/network/interfaces (for instance at ?
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12:50<grummund>patrikf: i didn't know about that, what's the difference?
12:51<patrikf>grummund: debian doesn't ship anymore with cdrecord/mkisofs because of licensing issues.
12:51<jkoenig>stuckey_: back in a minute
12:51<patrikf>grummund: the replacements (cloned from an old version with proper licensing) are called wodim and genisofs
12:52<jkoenig>stuckey_: mmh 'ifconfig eth0 up' should be done by ifupdown; do you really need it ?
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12:52<grummund>patrikf: thanks. i was aware of the licence issue but not aware of genisoimage
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12:53<BlueG>teratoma: would it be possible to write a script to pin a specific package? Say several of my friends are running Lenny and want OpenOffice 3 as well, could I write a script to do it for them as well?
12:53<grummund>so any genisoimage experts out there? ;-)
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12:54<teratoma>BlueG: why do you hate your friends
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12:54<teratoma>BlueG: figure out how to pin just the openoffice packages from unstable onto your system
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12:55<stuckey_>jkoenig: the system make that interfaces file... i didn't touch it
12:55<Lemonzest>hey, i'm following some build instructions for a doom engine, and it says "apt-get build-dep" but build-dep is not here on lenny, whats replaced it?
12:56<jkoenig>stuckey_: yeah, I mean, do you really need to manually "ifconfig eth0 up" to bring up your connection ?
12:56<grummund>i have a directory structure - foo/bar/{A,B,C,D}/..., what options to genisoimage to create an iso with only foo/bar/{B,D}/*, but maintaining the full path?
12:56<patrikf>Lemonzest: you're talking nonsense
12:56<stuckey_>jkoenig: I don't know... that's just what I typed and now it's working
12:56<baryluk>Lemonzest: sure it is
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12:57<grummund>it may involve -graft-points ??
12:57<stew>Lemonzest: lenny's apt-get has a build-dep command for sure
12:57<stew>Lemonzest: if you are getting an error, show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
12:57<Lemonzest>whats the aptitude name for it
12:57<stew>Lemonzest: there is none, you have to use apt-get for build-dep and source
12:57<jkoenig>stuckey_: given your /etc/network/interface, I would say you connection will be up at boot (and you don't need to manually up your interface). Is it not what you experienced ?
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12:58<stuckey_>jkoenig: It didn't work at boot
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12:58<stuckey_>jkoenig: I then typed /etc/init.d/networking restart
12:58<stuckey_>then ifconfig eth0 up... and it worked.
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12:58<patrikf>grummund: genisoimage ... -graft-points foo/bar/B=foo/bar/B ...
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13:00<patrikf>grummund: or: genisoimage ... -root foo/bar foo/bar/{B,D}
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13:00<Lemonzest>my mistake, i was using it on its own, forgot the libsdl1.2 part, its working as it should now
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13:01<grummund>patrikf: i wasn't sure if -root would maintain the directory structure
13:01<robsteATplanwxDE>I have a newbie question abou installing lenny on a Sata HDD
13:01*grummund tries it anyway...
13:01<patrikf>grummund: try it :-)
13:01<patrikf>oh, yeah, you said you would. ;-)
13:02<Lemonzest>robsteATplanwxDE: worked fine on my ICH10 SATA chipset, even had it set to AHCI in bios
13:02<Lemonzest>i did a net install with a Busniess card iso (small 35mb one)
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13:03<grummund>my notes for mkisofs say to use -r for Rock Ridge, is that still necsesary with genisofs
13:03<grummund>genisoimage even
13:03<jkoenig>stuckey_: well my best guess would be a transient problem happened at that time and everything's okay, but feel free to ask here again if it happens more than once.
13:03<patrikf>grummund: yeah. it's the same codebase (or nearly so)
13:03<robsteATplanwxDE>i Have troubles installing it on a hdd connected to a Sillicon Image 3114 pci car. There come Drdy and read error messages
13:03<robsteATplanwxDE>but the drive works fine under windows
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13:04<patrikf>grummund: you can, however, use a .genisoimagerc
13:04<istike>lenny is now stable?
13:04<jkoenig>stuckey_: as far as I can say, the system will try to bring up your connection at boot, and "ifconfig eth0 up" prior to that
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13:06<grummund>patrikf: funny - mkisofs is a symlink to genisoimage ;-p
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13:07<robsteATplanwxDE>I googled about this. Some say it is a hardware problem, some say it has to do with the kernel version
13:07<patrikf>grummund: right, it seems there are compatibility packages.
13:08<grummund>so i was probably using it already
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13:11<billybigrigger>how come guided partitioning wants to set my swap area as 6gb? haha a little overkill no?
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13:12<baryluk>there is no good rule for swap space size, i think 2xram, but no more that 2gb is good
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13:12<nsajeff>I have 4gb physical and was running 6gb...seemed to make little difference as I'm just using the physical ram with no swap now and no issues..
13:13<baryluk>6gb, probably a big, if you have big disk who carse, 2-4 gb will suffice
13:13<billybigrigger>2xram was only needed in the old days when there was only 512mb ram on a typical system, isnt this correct?
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13:13<baryluk>billybigrigger: i say, but no more than 4gb
13:13<billybigrigger>i thought linux nowadays only needs like 1gb, 2gb swap is still overkill
13:13<baryluk>billybigrigger: depend on application
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13:14<baryluk>billybigrigger: i have machines which constantly uses 1.2 GB of swap :/
13:14<billybigrigger>well its a 200gb disk, used only for the os and my home
13:14<nsajeff>baryluk, what sort of applications are you running?
13:14<baryluk>performance is preety good, because memory isn't reference quite often
13:15<billybigrigger>500gb sata for storage so the extra 2-4gb for swap isnt going to kill me, i just thought that 6gb for swap was a little crazy
13:15<billybigrigger>does the partition manager (guessing parted or gparted) just assume this number on a percentage of the disk or where is this 6gb coming from?
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13:18<billybigrigger>and i think the partitioner just locked up on this install
13:18<billybigrigger>wow, this is gey
13:19<Supaplex>I've seem some craptastic hardware in my day :)
13:19<klando>with new testing, does kde4 left experimental stage ?
13:20<klando>or 'is going to'
13:20<billybigrigger>well i've done a few installs over the last few weeks on this machine and never has it locked up on partitioning, must be this netinst image im trying
13:20<billybigrigger>bloody amd64
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13:21<petemc>billybigrigger: you can switch to a console which tells you what the installer is doing
13:21<billybigrigger>i just heard the disk crunching away
13:21<petemc>its much better to do that than complain and call things "gey"
13:21<billybigrigger>but it wasn't doing a damn thing for the last 5-10 thats why i assumed it locked up
13:22<billybigrigger>now it stopped's never taken this long to get the partitioner running on this machine...
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13:25<Supaplex>check tty3+4
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13:26<chealer>klando: is going to
13:27<billybigrigger>well i think its locked now
13:27<klando>and then kde3 will be removed ?!
13:27<billybigrigger>tryed to switch ctrl-alt-f1 f2 f3 f4 does nothing
13:27<billybigrigger>progress bar hasnt moved anywhere
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13:27<Ananth123>billybigrigger: bad sectors ?
13:27<billybigrigger>been sitting here for about 15 mins now
13:27<Ananth123>in your partition table area ?
13:27<billybigrigger>Ananth123, no, i just installed etch, and lenny a few times in the last 2 weeks on it
13:27<Supaplex>billybigrigger: internal or external?
13:28<apraxas>oh sorry guys
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13:28<billybigrigger>is hard-resetting my machine at this point going to do anything?
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13:29<billybigrigger>well its going to do something, but anything bad?? hehe
13:29<klando>billybigrigger, can you try the sys-req-key ?
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13:29<baryluk>billybigrigger: shouldn't hurt too much. mayby reboot, and do badblocks -v manually ?
13:29<billybigrigger>i pressed sysrq
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13:30<klando>billybigrigger, it is not one key, but a combinatio
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13:30<billybigrigger>oh haha
13:30<billybigrigger>well i tried ctrl
13:30<billybigrigger>and alt and ctrl alt
13:31<billybigrigger>but too late
13:31<billybigrigger>restarted already
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13:31<klando>+U for umount
13:31<Supaplex>alt+sysrq+z for help
13:31<klando>+K for kill
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13:31<klando>etc ..
13:31<Supaplex>left alt. not sure if right alt works. :)
13:32<chealer>klando: most of the packages are the same, so it's more an upgrade than a removal
13:32<billybigrigger>now i restarted and tried graphical install again, now its locked on select keyboard layout
13:32<billybigrigger>i got through a few screens and now nothing
13:33<billybigrigger>both alt-printscrn do nothing
13:33<klando>chealer, yes that's right, thank you for details chealer
13:33<klando>memory issue ?
13:33<billybigrigger>this is a brand new rig
13:33<billybigrigger>brand new memory
13:34<billybigrigger>doing txt installer now
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13:35<baryluk>mayby cpu is too hot?
13:35<billybigrigger>txt installer is just flying through everything
13:35<baryluk>or gpu
13:35<billybigrigger>onboard gpu
13:36<billybigrigger>and i just checked in bios, cpu temp is 37C
13:36<billybigrigger>i think its a graphical installer bug
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13:36<billybigrigger>already formatting partitions
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13:36<billybigrigger>in txt mode
13:36<jrgp>does lenny support ext4?
13:37<baryluk>kernel 2.6.24, ext4 is in 2.6.28
13:37<jrgp>is it possible to upgrade to that kernel once running lenny?
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13:37<jrgp>so ext4 is "possible" in lenny?
13:38<gpb>everything is possible in lenny
13:38<baryluk>on my home machine i actually have 2.6.29-rc5 :)
13:38<gpb>not necessarily easily though :D
13:39<gpb>ext4 final was in 2.6.28
13:39<billybigrigger>the lenny graphical install is definately buggy on my machine, i've been in txt mode for ~5 mins and roughyl 60% done base install, where gfx install hung on loading partitioner and keyboard layout select
13:39<gpb>so you'd need a newer kernel than lenny brings with
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13:39<jrgp>can I get 2.6.28 via # apt-get update; apt-get upgrade?
13:39<billybigrigger>gpb, yes
13:40<billybigrigger>jrgp, if you have the right apt sources.list
13:40<baryluk>mayby from unstable
13:40<nsajeff>How can I install Lenny and ensure my /home partition remains intact(yes, it is on a separate partition)
13:41<baryluk>mayby even single .deb file will be sufficient
13:41<baryluk>ext4 is nice, because it supports upgrade :)
13:41<gpb>sid has 2.6.26, too
13:41<baryluk>from ext3
13:41<gpb>I'd say wait a few days till sid is no longer frozen
13:41<billybigrigger>looks like unstable only has 2.6.26
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13:41<goodtime>hahahha i got this freakin 250 gig externall hd to work i xandros linux
13:42<goodtime>praise be
13:42<gpb>good for you?
13:42<gpb>what has this to do with debian?
13:42<chealer>jrgp: 2.6.28 is not in Debian, no
13:42<goodtime>xandros piggy backs off debian
13:42<gpb>not yet
13:42<jrgp>*sigh, chealer*
13:43<gpb>so does two dozen other distributions
13:43<billybigrigger>2.6.28 is in ubuntu's 9.04 release, wouldnt this kernel stem from debian somewhere?
13:43<billybigrigger>experimental maybe?
13:43<goodtime>well my cat /etc/issue beggs to differ
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13:44<baryluk>billybigrigger: possible, but there can few problems. i don't recommend it if you aren't advanced user
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13:44<billybigrigger>im not looking for the new kernel
13:44<baryluk>manual compilation is easy
13:44<gpb>you can install kernel-package and do make-kpkg on a vanilla kernel, if you like to
13:44<billybigrigger>gpb, wants it
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13:44<gpb>me doesn't want it
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13:44<billybigrigger>then how did we get on this topic?
13:44<baryluk>nothing interesting in experimental right now
13:45<gpb>jrgp asked
13:45<billybigrigger>baryluk, think i should file a bug for those graphical install problems?
13:45<billybigrigger>gpb, correct you are
13:45<gpb>"<jrgp> does lenny support ext4?"
13:45<gpb>I'm always correct
13:45<baryluk>i should find exactly what is bug
13:45<baryluk>s/i /you /
13:46<chealer>billybigrigger: it's not in experimental, no
13:46<kie27>greets all, just upgraded a server to lenny (via ssh), backed up config file, upgrade seemed to go OK, rebooted, although i can ping the box, cannot ssh as get no route to host.
13:46<billybigrigger>i hate it when people do that, what does s/i /you / mean baryluk
13:46<gpb>well, for anything to move sid has to thaw first
13:46<gpb>kie27: read the release notes?
13:46<billybigrigger>i've never understood that, is it an inside g33k joke or what?
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13:47<Supaplex>billybigrigger: man sed
13:47<gpb>billybigrigger, s/x/y is "substitute x with y" in sed and/or vim
13:47<m_glijer>hi everyone
13:47<billybigrigger>never used sed or vim to tell you the truth
13:47<billybigrigger>so im lost
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13:47<billybigrigger>read man page for sed, and have no clue what a stream editor is
13:47<Ananth123>its a regular expression syntax
13:48<tcsetattr>comes all the way down from ed... to the descendants sed, vi, etc. anyone who ever edited anything in unix should have seen it
13:48<billybigrigger>obviously i don't need to know, i have 0 programming knowledge so its beyond me
13:48<baryluk>billybigrigger: find-and-replace in each line :)
13:48<Ananth123>stream editor is when you edit one line at a time ;-)
13:48<billybigrigger>wow look at them all coming out of the woodwork!
13:48<gpb>kie27, please read chapter 5.1.5 of release notes
13:49<billybigrigger>Ananth123, line by line editing sounds fun!
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13:49<baryluk>i think people should upgrade in screen session if connected via ssh
13:49<Supaplex>ya think?
13:49<baryluk>and not reboot :)
13:49<dr|z3d>Daft question du jour. How can I remove "Applications", "Places" and "System" text from the Gnome panel and just leave the icons?
13:49<baryluk>i they don't access to power button:)
13:49<gpb>oh, and 4.6.4
13:49<Ananth123>billybigrigger: try it out!! it is :-))
13:50<baryluk>dr|z3d: right click?
13:50<gpb>*never* do dist-update via ssh
13:50<Ananth123>it was quite fast in the early days of 2400 baud modems.....
13:50<billybigrigger>Ananth123, haha no thanks
13:50<Supaplex>baryluk: never underestimate the power of qemu -snapshot -curses /dev/hda (but it's not a valid test of drivers in this case, as qemu uses different drivers)
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13:50<dr|z3d>baryluk: No, you're confusing gnome with xfce, perhaps :)
13:50<billybigrigger>Ananth123, haha i bet
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13:50<billybigrigger>Ananth123, 2400 baud is too old for me, first pc with a modem was 28.8k
13:51<gpb>oh, and chapter 4.1.3
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13:51<Supaplex>my first pc with a modem was 300 baud
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13:51<teratoma>why doesn't apt-get support zmodem
13:51<baryluk>dr|z3d: yes you can remove App Place System from panel, Right click -> Remove from panel :)
13:51<Supaplex>and it cost a %*@$( fortune
13:51<billybigrigger>Supaplex, no doubt
13:51<gpb>"If you are upgrading remotely via an ssh link it is highly recommended that you take the necessary precautions to be able to access the server through a remote serial terminal. There is a chance that, after upgrading the kernel and rebooting, some devices will be renamed (as described in Section 4.6.4, “Device enumeration reordering” ) and you will have to fix the system configuration through a local console. "
13:51<gpb>if people would only *read*
13:51<dr|z3d>baryluk: I want to remove the text, not the functionality.
13:51<baryluk>ah. there is another applet, which small "foot" icon
13:52<baryluk>"mMain menu" AFAIK
13:52<dr|z3d>baryluk: Thanks, will look. No easy method to edit/remove the text on the panels is one of my main Gnome annoyances. Mostly I use Xfce.
13:53<billybigrigger>baryluk, i finally got it, you rephrashed my q "should i file a bug" with "should you file a bug"
13:53<baryluk>Supaplex: -hda /dev/hda -snapshot is really nice :)
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13:53<billybigrigger>sorry for the off-topic jibberish
13:53<baryluk>billybigrigger: exactly ;) you now know sed:)
13:53<baryluk>part of..
13:54<kie27>gpb: thanks for the answer
13:54<billybigrigger>if only it were that easy
13:54<teratoma>does qemu do 64 bit guests ?
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13:54<baryluk>amd64, ppc64 and mipsel, mayby others
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13:55<fenix>hi guys
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13:55<fenix>can you give me a little support
13:55<fenix>im trying to get X to run
13:55*billybigrigger passes the tissue box around
13:55<fenix>but i always get an error message
13:56<fenix>No display devices found
13:56<fenix>Screen found but none have a usable configuration
13:56<billybigrigger>fenix, try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg in a terminal
13:56<billybigrigger>fenix, what gfx card do you have?
13:57<fenix>its a laptop
13:57<fenix>asus f3sc
13:57<billybigrigger>are you at a terminal now?
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13:57<billybigrigger>nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:58<fenix>then what
13:58<billybigrigger>find the line that says Driver "xxxxxxx"
13:58<billybigrigger>what driver are you running?
13:58<billybigrigger>should be in the device section
13:59<billybigrigger>well what i'd do, is try entering "vesa" in there
13:59<fenix>i already tried that
13:59<billybigrigger>and try to get a working X display, then your going to have to install the nvidia drivers correctly
13:59<fenix>X runs but no image
13:59<billybigrigger>do you see monitor or screen sections in your xorg.conf?
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14:00<billybigrigger>can you copy/paste your xorg.conf to a pastebin somewhere?
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14:00<fenix>how can i kill X when i cannot see anything
14:00<stew>fenix: you are running sarge aka oldstable?
14:00<stew>fenix: ctrl-alt-bksp
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14:00<fenix>im running debian 40r7
14:01<billybigrigger>k well in your screen section do you have a bunch of depth modes and resolutions?
14:01<fenix>ctrl-alt-bksp doesnt work
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14:01*billybigrigger is installing with onboard nvidia gfx right im probably going to have to do this as well haha
14:02<nuque>hi everybody
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14:04<stuckey_>jkoenig: okay I'm going to reboot and see what happens.
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14:04<fenix>ctrl-alt-bksp doesnt work
14:04<nuque>samebody know how can i do , programation in visual basic for linux ?
14:04<istike>i wanna be your friend
14:04<fenix>ctrl-alt-f1 doesnt work
14:04<Ananth123>fenix: use the -retro option when starting x
14:05<nuque>i m intrested in do this
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14:05<billybigrigger>fenix, try rebooting the machine into single-user-mode
14:05<billybigrigger>fenix, when grub starts up select single user mode, this will boot you straight to a console
14:05<fenix>yes i did that
14:05<nuque>like windows
14:06<billybigrigger>well ctrl-alt-bkspace isnt going to restart X if your at a console
14:06<Ananth123>fenix: or add Option "DontZap" "off"
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14:06<fenix>what do you wanna know about the resolutions
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14:07<BlueG>what about installing openoffice 3 from the OO.o deb package? Do the OO.o maintainers actually maintain an apt repository you could add, or would you have to do manual upgrades with that method?
14:07<stuckey>jkoenig: I rebooted the machine, no network. I ran /etc/init.d/networking restart, and it came up just fine.
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14:09<baryluk>BlueG: check experimnetal
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14:09<stuckey>Hello---I'm having some trouble with my network connection. When booting up the machine the network connection doesn't come up, I have to manually "/etc/init.d/networking restart" for the internet to work. Would someone please offer me some help?
14:09<baryluk>BlueG: 1:3.0.1-1: amd64 i386 in experimental
14:10<stuckey>Here is my network interfaces file:
14:10<wubbbi>Hello :) I have downloaded the Live CD of Lenny and I love it. But is there a way to install the Livecd on hdd? Is there a installer or do I have to do it manuell???
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14:10<fenix>billybigrigger: are you making an installation too
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14:10<kie27>gpb: checking the /etc/networking/interfaces i already have "allow-hotplug eth0" and "auto lo" as per release notes 5.1.5. what do i need to do to ensure the ssh service comes up on reboot?
14:11<BlueG>baryluk: would it be better to try to install it from experimental on Lenny than to try using the deb from OO.o?
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14:11<chealer>wubbbi: there is no way
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14:12<wubbbi>oO sh*** soo I have to get the DVD??? Is there really no way? :/ very bad :(
14:12<gpb>well, is eth0 assigned an ip address?
14:12<baryluk>BlueG: no idea. wait a week, mayby they will enter unstable
14:12<jkoenig>wubbbi: you can install from the network, using only a small CD image
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14:13<the_champ>For some reason, on my etch, wlan0 is not there (I've tried everything, including ifconfig -a), can someone tell me how to 'add' it? I added the necessary lines to me /etc/network/interfaces but still nothing.
14:13<wubbbi>jkoenig: is there a risk on it? Or is it save to install?
14:13<baryluk>installing from livecd, hmm, probably only using debootstrap, not easy for newbiee :)
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14:13<jkoenig>wubbbi: you need to do backups
14:13<wubbbi>backups of what?
14:13<gsimmons>the_champ: Is this your ZD1211 device you previously mentioned in here? Some of these devices aren't known to the zd1211rw driver in the 2.6.18 kernel.
14:14<jkoenig>wubbbi: backup of your data
14:14<jkoenig>wubbbi: installing debian involves creating a disk partition for it,
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14:14<wubbbi>jkoenig: my hdd is emphy ... I have bought a new one yesterday ^^
14:14<jkoenig>possibly resizing the ones of another system,
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14:14<the_champ>gsimmons: yes, zd1211b, I installed that and the drivers are installed but I'm trying to set up wlan0, shouldn't have anything to do with my device
14:14<Xyem>Are the debian repositories slow right now?
14:14<jkoenig>wubbbi: oh then no problem,
14:14<wubbbi>^^ ok
14:15<chealer>wubbbi: no, you can use any installation media
14:15<gsimmons>the_champ: Using kernel 2.6.18? Use a 2.6.24 ("Etch and a Half") kernel instead, see
14:15<gpb>Xyem: right after a new release becoming stable causing the whole word zo update? no chanche for that
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14:16<baryluk>wubbbi: it will be easier to use netinst cd, installer will create partitions automaticly
14:16<Xyem>I'm only getting like.. 400b/s
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14:16<chealer>Xyem: the repositories are spread over tens of mirrors. there's no real slowdown in general
14:16<baryluk>Xyem: use netselect-apt to choose mirror
14:17<the_champ>gsimmons: so I should change to 2.6.24?
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14:18<gsimmons>the_champ: If it's a ZD1211-based device, yes. Please refer to the wiki page.
14:18<Xyem>baryluk, that's not installed
14:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 426] by debhelper
14:19<Xyem> must be slow because I changed it ( dropped the .uk ) and it is fine now
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14:19<Xyem>I tried to access it from Firefox but it said 'Too many connections'
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14:19<baryluk>Xyem: package netselect-apt
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14:20<Xyem># package: command not found
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14:21<the_champ>gsimmons: so I can just burn the etch and a half netinst image to a cd and install it and try again?
14:21<baryluk>Xyem: try
14:22*Xyem sighs
14:22<gsimmons>the_champ: No, installation is not required. Please read the "troubleshooting" section regarding installation of an etchnhalf kernel image on your system.
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14:22<Xyem>Trying to install nVidia drivers installs a lot of rubbish..
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14:24<Xyem>Maybe I should leave Debian until Sid unfreezes but settles down ( relatively speaking )
14:24<the_champ>gsimmons: so install zd1211-firmware then?
14:24<Xyem>I have to use a newer kernel than is currently in there for my wireless but then that make installing nVidia drivers a pain/impossible
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14:25<gsimmons>the_champ: Yes, this is required.
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14:25<the_champ>Thanks, I'll go try that :)
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14:26<gpb>!dpkg etch
14:26<dpkg>hmm... etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to lenny. Release notes and upgrade instructions: Also ask me about <etch->lenny><oldstable><oldstable security>. Currently <4.0r7>.
14:26<gpb>wow, already updatet
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14:27<jrabbit>what does testing become?
14:27<jrabbit>unstable is allways sid iirc
14:27<stew>jrabbit: testing is now squeeze
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14:28<Xyem>Does anyone have any suggestions to what I should do? I want something newer than Ubuntu ( hence wanting to run sid ) but Sid seems to be behind Intrepid..
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14:28<metalqga>Xperimenta? :P
14:29<dr|z3d>Xyem: Lenny just came out. Today.
14:29<dr|z3d>Xyem: Or there's jaunty, if you want to stick with Ubuntu. Your call.
14:29<EmleyMoor>What are you missing in sid?
14:29<Xyem>drjz3d, I know, Lenny has old kernel which won't run my wireless..
14:30<Xyem>Ah, that's it
14:30<dr|z3d>Xyem: Not so tricky to download and install your own kernel.
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14:30<Xyem>I have downloaded a later kernel.. now I can't install nVidia drivers
14:30<dr|z3d>Xyem: try dr <tab> for tab completion.
14:30<dr|z3d>Xyem: So download an older one and use that for now.
14:30<Xyem>I followed this:
14:30<the_champ>gsimmons: ok, I just installed the zd1211-firmware package. now what should I try?
14:31<gsimmons>the_champ: What does "uname -r" say?
14:31<billybigrigger>im trying to compile's driver, and my gcc version (4.3) doesnt match the version that my kernel was built with, (4.1), how do i set my CC variable to 4.1? or is it safe to skip this and continue on?
14:31<the_champ>gsimmons: 2.6.18-6-686
14:31<gsimmons>the_champ: Install an etchnhalf kernel image as previously suggested. Restart your system to boot into this kernel.
14:32<EmleyMoor>I read that lenny supports Eee PC - does that mean it's easy to get one fully functional with it?
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14:32<the_champ>gsimmons: thanks, I'll try that :)
14:32<Xyem>dr|z3d: I can't use an older kernel because then my wireless won't work ( it's a laptop so wireless is very important )
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14:32<fenix_>fenix> whats the fimware directory??
14:32<EmleyMoor>(if so, is there anything to read on the subject?)
14:32<fenix_> <fenix> its /lib/firmware
14:32<fenix_> <fenix> im trying to put iwl4965
14:33<silent>it write error gnome-panel
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14:33<silent> There was an error loading or storing information about your settings for gnome-panel. Some options for your setup may not work correctly.
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14:33<the_champ>gsimmons: the download links for the etchnhalf package are broken :|
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14:34<stuckey>Hello ... I just installed debian but my internet connection doesn't come up automatically at boot.
14:35<stuckey>Is anyone here good with networking?
14:35<gsimmons>the_champ: No, not an installation medium. A kernel image _package_, eg. "apt-cache search linux-image-2.6- | grep etchnhalf", select one appropriate for your system.
14:35<EmleyMoor>stuckey: What kind of connection?
14:35<stuckey>EmleyMoor: It's an ethernet connection with PPPoE
14:35<the_champ>gsimmons: I can't do that seeing I don't have any internet connection at all (I'm doing this on an old gateway box so I have to transfer via usb)
14:36<stuckey>EmleyMoor: I used the "install module=ppp-udeb" option at boot, and the internet worked fine during installation, but then after reboot it doesn't come up.
14:36<gsimmons>!tell the_champ -about apt ofline
14:36<gsimmons>!tell the_champ -about apt offline
14:36<EmleyMoor>stuckey: I know nothing about the PPPoE side... but I would try loading that module
14:37<stuckey>EmleyMoor: When I do "/etc/init.d/networking restart" everything goes just fine.
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14:37<fenix>whats the directory to place ucode files??
14:37<stuckey>EmleyMoor: it says something about a module loaded...
14:37<stuckey>EmleyMoor: but my question is, why isn't this done automatically?
14:37<fenix>on debian 40r7
14:37<baryluk>stuckey: ad module to /etc/modules
14:37<stuckey>baryluk: How do I find out which one it is?
14:37<baryluk>stuckey: because ppp module isn't driver for hardware
14:37<fenix>baryluk: ucode files too??
14:37<baryluk>lsmod, or dmesg
14:38<stuckey>baryluk: so if something isn't a driver for hardware it isn't laoded at boot?
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14:38<baryluk>fenix: /lib/firmeware, or somewhere don't remeber
14:38<baryluk>fenix: can't you just install package with it?
14:38<stuckey>baryluk: it seems stupid that you install this with the option "install modules=ppp-udeb" but then it doesn't work once you restart.
14:38<gsimmons>fenix: Your desired microcode files are already packaged in 'firmware-iwlwifi' in non-free.
14:39<fenix>baryluk: but modprobe doesnt work
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14:39<fenix>gsimmons: im without network on laptop
14:39<fenix>i have to install network drivers
14:39<baryluk>download .deb file from pool by hand
14:40<baryluk>there is no dependencies for it
14:40<dazjorz>hmm, weird, the dist-upgrade process to lenny removed apt-file
14:40<gsimmons>fenix: You can acquire the .deb from and install it manually. The drivers are included in mainline kernels from 2.6.24.
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14:40<dazjorz>what's the reason for that? I see apt-file still exists in lenny
14:40<baryluk>dazjorz: yes, apt-file is still in lenny
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14:44<fenix>ok i install it but i continue without iwl4965
14:44<fenix>modprobe says module not found
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14:44<Xyem>I think I will re-install Intrepid and revisit Sid in about a month or so
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14:44<Woet>does match 80.254.73.* in iptables?
14:45<gsimmons>fenix: What does "uname -r" return?
14:45<Xyem>Then my wireless card will work and from then on, I'll just follow sid
14:45<the_champ>gsimmons: sorry to keep on bugging you but I'm lost on what to do :(
14:45<chealer>!tell billybigrigger about nvidia-installer
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14:45<billybigrigger>chealer, got it already
14:45<dazjorz>baryluk: any idea why apt-get dist-upgrade wanted it uninstalled?
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14:46<fenix>!tell fenix about nvidia-installer
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14:46<gsimmons>fenix: The iwlwifi drivers are not included in that kernel version. Install an etchnhalf kernel image to provide 2.6.24, which has the iwl4965 module.
14:47<baryluk>dazjorz: try installing it
14:47<baryluk>mayby there is so versions conflict in deep dependecy tree :)
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14:47<chealer>!tell fenix about selftell
14:47<fenix>what version should i install
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14:47<dazjorz>baryluk: yeah, I'll try that once it's done
14:47<chealer>stuckey: please provide your interfaces file
14:48<fenix>i installed debian 4.0r7 yesterday
14:48<stuckey>chealer: and here's ifconfig:
14:48<fenix>thanks chealer
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14:49<chealer>stuckey: there seems to be something wrong with your interfaces file. I believe "provider" should read "ppp0"
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14:49<fenix>gsimmons: what version should i install
14:50<gsimmons>the_champ, fenix: Acquire the etchnhalf kernel image .deb from , transfer this to your respective system and install via dpkg -i.
14:50<fenix>sorry gsimmons and the_champ
14:50<chealer>stuckey: which Debian suite did you install?
14:50<stuckey>chealer: it's lenny stable, just downloaded it today.
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14:51<Woet>does match 80.254.73.* in iptables?
14:51<the_champ>gsimmons: thanks :D
14:51<gsimmons>fenix: I'm sorry, you're actually after the AMD64 image. Amend the link as required.
14:51<stuckey>chealer: Like I said I just installed with the boot option "install modules=ppp-udeb" and the internet worked jsut fine while I was installing, but upon reboot it doesn't come up.
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14:52<fenix>gsimmons: i only see i386
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14:52<fenix>i think it doesnt exists for amd64
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14:52<chealer>stuckey: if you can reproduce this with pure pppoeconf, I think that would be a new bug. otherwise it may be a ppp-udeb bug.
14:53<stuckey>chealer: I never used pppoeconf
14:53<chealer>stuckey: (also not reported)
14:53<fenix>gsimmons: sorry i see it
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14:54<chealer>stuckey: sorry, that would be a ppp-udeb bug. which may be related to #482455
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14:55<fenix>gsimmons: i386 has 18MB and amd64 has 8kb
14:55<gsimmons>fenix: What does "dpkg --print-architecture" return?
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14:55<stuckey>chealer: how do I pull up the bug report for #482455?
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14:56<chealer>stuckey: if you use KDE, running "" will work, otherwise you can go to
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14:57<stuckey>chealer: this doesn't seem to be related...
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14:59<chealer>stuckey: right, on second look it looks like it's merely reporting an inconsistency, not an actual bug
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15:02<chealer>stuckey: what do you have in /etc/ppp/peers/ ?
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15:04<stuckey>chealer: provider
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15:04<bahuvrihi>Hi everyone! Grats with the Lenny release!
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15:04<steffan>will a server need a reboot after upgrading to lenny via. apt-get?
15:04<bahuvrihi>A question: how can one make 2 mouse pointers?
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15:06<chealer>steffan: did you check the logs?
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15:07<chealer>steffan: did you check the release notes?
15:07<baryluk>steffan: don't reboot if you have physical access to machine
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15:10<steffan>no i haven't read the release notes yet, i haven't touched anything.
15:10<steffan>and it's remotely hosted, no physically access.
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15:10<steffan>so i guess i can upgrade without re-booting.
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15:12<baryluk>steffan: there can be few problems, ie. renamed devices, read release notes
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15:13<baryluk>steffan: you can update only packaes without reboot, sure, but what if there will be power loss tomorrow ? :)
15:14<fenix>how can i connect to an wireless ap in console
15:14<baryluk>man iwconfig
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15:15<greek_linuxer>i downloaded lenny live cd
15:16<greek_linuxer>i want to install it in a virtual machine
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15:16<greek_linuxer>what's the konsole command to run the gui installer?
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15:17<the_champ>gsimmons: I have etchnhalf installed now, what should I try next?
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15:17<gsimmons>the_champ: Have you installed the 'zd1211-firmware' packge? Do you have a wlan0 device available to you? (iwconfig)
15:17<stuckey>chealer: okay so I sent a bug report ... what happens now?
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15:18<Ananth123>my trackpad seems to have stopped working after i updated the kernel to 2.6.28..... any idea how to fix it?
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15:18<meshuggah>hello everyone
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15:18<the_champ>gsimmons: should I reinstall zd1211-firmware on this kernel?
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15:18<gsimmons>the_champ: No, that's not necessary.
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15:19<meshuggah>greek : what?
15:19<chealer>stuckey: you should receive a confirmation mail when your mail is processed
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15:19<the_champ>gsimmons: nope, just lo
15:19<petemc>greek_linuxer: it should ask you if you want to use the graphical installer when you boot from the cd
15:20<petemc>greek_linuxer: actually, ive not used the live cd, so that may not be the caswe
15:20<chealer>greek_linuxer: you can't install a live system
15:20<gsimmons>the_champ: Have you restarted your system to boot with the etchnhalf kernel? Use "uname -r" to verify.
15:20<stuckey>chealer: said the bug report wasn't properly formatted...
15:20<the_champ>gsimmons: yes; 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
15:20<chealer>stuckey: what do you mean?
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15:20<stuckey>chealer: "tag cannot be processed!"
15:20<greek_linuxer>chealer:you mean there's no option to install the live cd?
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15:21<the_champ>the green light is on on my adapter
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15:21<meshuggah>hi intero, how are you?
15:21<esher>greek_linuxer, use the netinst. you can't install with the live cd
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15:21<chealer>greek_linuxer: no. Debian can be installed from some live CDs, not by default.
15:21<intero>meshuggah: hello man, not too bad, but have flu :-S
15:22<chealer>stuckey: from where?
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15:22<meshuggah>intero : lol, drink a 6 pack of beer, it will resolve your problem :) at least you will dont care about the flu after drinking 1-2 6 packs..
15:22<stuckey>chealer: I sent it to
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15:22<gsimmons>the_champ: Sounds like it isn't a ZD1211. The F5D7050 has had four hardware revisions, /msg dpkg f5d7050 for details. If you don't know what you have, run "lsusb" and provide _only_ the output relevant for your USB WLAN device (ie. one line) in here.
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15:23<intero>meshuggah: plan to, if i am not better by tomorrow hehe ;)
15:23<chealer>stuckey: manually (with an MUA)?
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15:24<the_champ>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 050d:705c Belkin Components
15:24<stuckey>chealer: I ran reportbug, and then copied and pasted it into gmail.
15:24<the_champ>gsimmons: the box says ver4000 also
15:24<chealer>stuckey: hum, and you got a failure mail in return?
15:24<stuckey>chealer: yes
15:24<chealer>stuckey: could you show it?
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15:24<stuckey>chealer: I just sent it again... waiting to see if it works this time.
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15:25<LaFarge>can anyone help me with lilo, I tried, but lilo doesn't set that, pls help
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15:26<gsimmons>the_champ: Well, that's definitely a ZyDAS. "modprobe -r zd1211rw && modprobe zd1211rw" and check your kernel ring buffer ("dmesg") for anything of note. It should be requesting firmware.
15:26<stuckey>chealer: okay nevermind, it went through this time.
15:28<intero>i am having some issues with X. in particular, when i type with my keyboard on plain console i have experiment a normal behavior, while if i run X i experience some kind of interference, it's as if the ctrl key was automagially always pushed, which make it hard to to almost everything... also, if i launch X by console, that's what i read on screen: . please notice that everything was working fine until a week ago or so.
15:28<meshuggah>i want to upgrade to lenny, it says to change all non-local etch reference by lenny(in sources.list) how can i know if it is local or non-local(yea..i am a newbie, installed debian 1 1/2 days ago)
15:28<the_champ>gsimmons: zd1211rw 1-2:1.0: firmware version 4725. (zd1211b chip)
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15:28<kc9eye>Should sysklogd be replaced with rsyslog before the minimal upgrade to Lenny?
15:29<the_champ>gsimmons: that did something useful, now eth0 has appeared.
15:29<intero>meshuggah: i guess that local would be something like a cdrom or so. i.e. something fixed
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15:29<meshuggah>intero : k, thank
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15:30<intero>meshuggah: you can paste your source.list somewhere for us to check if you feel safer
15:30<the_champ>gsimmons: my god, its connected to my neighbors network now! xD
15:30<baryluk>kc9eye: no, sysklogd (1.4.1-18 => 1.5-5)
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15:30<meshuggah># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r7 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090210-11:46]/ lenny contrib main
15:30<meshuggah>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r7 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090210-11:46]/ lenny contrib main
15:30<meshuggah>deb etch main
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15:30<stuckey>I'm having a problem with displayed fonts... perhaps someone here knows something about this. My on screen fonts (particulary those within epiphany on, for example) are extremely small and difficult to read. Could anyone tell me how I can fix this?
15:31<meshuggah>so i remove everything except the deb cdrom lines?
15:31<stuckey>They're probably the size of two pen heads...
15:31<intero>meshuggah: use
15:31<stuckey>Pens as in ball point pens... not needle pins.. but that's pretty small
15:31<meshuggah>k...and how i use that? :)
15:32<intero>meshuggah: unless you have a lenny dvd, having those lines won't help. i think you can even remove those
15:32<ranix>stuckey: you need glasses
15:32<intero>meshuggah: it's a web site to paste stuff instead of pasting here
15:32<ranix>stuckey: I have the name of an optometrist
15:32<metalqga>stuckey System-> preferences->appearance
15:32<stuckey>ranix: Where abouts?
15:32<meshuggah>intero : ok, thank you :)
15:32<ranix>stuckey: rhode island
15:32<intero>meshuggah: anytime
15:32<the_champ>gsimmons: should I just change the stuff in my interfaces file to eth0 instead of wlan0 now?
15:32<stuckey>ranix: Ahh... too far away for me.
15:32<ranix>stuckey: OK
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15:33<ranix>stuckey: try the xfonts packages
15:34<kc9eye>Anyone replacing sysklogd with rsyslog per Lenny release notes?
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15:34<stuckey>ranix: you mean xfontsel
15:34<gsimmons>the_champ: You can change the interface assignment via udev; /msg dpkg z25 . Probably best to set this to "wlan0" or similar.
15:35<meshuggah>intero : maybe you can help me with another thing, since i installed etch yesterday at midnight, in the boot manager, i can boot on my ubuntu hd, and i cant access this hd, and another partition(an old NTFS partition with only mp3) on the same hd than debian. I hope they arent erased, how can i resolve my problem
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15:35<meshuggah>btw, sorry for my poor english
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15:36<stuckey>chealer: the maintainer told me I'd have to find out why...
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15:36<ranix>stuckey: I mean xfonts-100dpi and stuff
15:36<ranix>and 75dpi
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15:37<stuckey>ranix: what's that do?
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15:39<intero>meshuggah: i don't think you've lost your data. you just have to access it the right way
15:39<intero>meshuggah: which means, mount the ntfs filesystem
15:40<intero>meshuggah: are you using ubuntu?
15:40<chealer>stuckey: what's the bug number?
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15:41<meshuggah>i am now using debian etch, but 2 week ago i installed ubuntu intrepid ibex, and before i didnt use any linux distribution since 5 years, so i am not sure how to mount it, and how to make grub or lilo(i dont remember which one) boot with ubuntu
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15:44<chealer>stuckey: don't worry, that maintainer isn't known to be particularly useful. but you can look at the logs, as I suggested.
15:44<the_champ>gsimmons: I changed the udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules file to make it wlan0. should I just restart now?
15:45<gsimmons>the_champ: On Etch, running udevtrigger should be sufficient.
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15:45<the_champ>gsimmons: done, next?
15:46<gsimmons>the_champ: Uh, configure it? See
15:47<the_champ>gsimmons: oh ok :P I know what to do then. Thanks so so so ... much for your help! =)
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15:47<gsimmons>the_champ: np
15:48<fenix_>i cant manage how to connect to a wpa2 AP
15:48<billybigrigger_>is there anywhere i can view other debian systems' hard_info benchmarks???
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15:48<fenix_>it always authenticates and deauthenticates
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15:49<metalqga>billybigrigger_: you may find phoronix's benchmark suite interesting
15:50<metalqga>*test suite
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15:51<zzack3>hi guys, I need help (if you can): my "/" partition run of space, I tried many way to clean up some space, but I didn't achieve the goal
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15:52<Aizawa>zzack3: Try using Gparted. I don't know exactly how it works though!
15:52<teratoma>zzack3: stick output of "df -H" in pastebin
15:52<angasule_>zzack3: use the 'du' command to check directory sizes
15:52<gpb>zzack3: how large is it?
15:52<Aizawa>Shows what I know.
15:52<zzack3>the partiton is 500mb large
15:52<angasule_>zzack3: 'aptitude clean' might be of use (check the manual pages for it)
15:52<billybigrigger_>metalqga, i have phoronix-test-suite installed, is there a gui for it or is it CLI?
15:52<amphi>zzack3: apt-get clean? ;)
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15:52<angasule_>500MB? that's tiny
15:52<gpb>then we need the df output
15:53<zzack3>can i paste the df output here?
15:53<metalqga> billybigrigger_ the cli is easy to use, and they have a site where you can compare your hardware with others
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15:54<stuckey>chealer: #515480
15:55<chealer>stuckey: yeah, metalqga was faster :)
15:55<teratoma>zzack3: < teratoma> zzack3: stick output of "df -H" in pastebin
15:55<stuckey>chealer: huh?
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15:56<chealer>stuckey: [15:42:30] <metalqga> chealer:
15:56<zzack3>I'm not sure on what to do, because (first of all) I'm in the middle of a corrupted upgrade (because of the disk space) and I in the other partition I have a LVM volume and I'm concerned in resizing that partition
15:56<stuckey>chealer: oh haha okay
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15:56<gpb>!dpkg pastebin
15:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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15:57<gpb>another one who hasn't read release notes ^^
15:57<gpb>df just shows what's free
15:57<billybigrigger_>metalqga, ok i have this error running unigine-tropics ./bin/main_x86: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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15:58<billybigrigger_>metalqga, so i went and installed libstdc++6-4.3-pic
15:58<billybigrigger_>metalqga, same error, do i need the -dev packages or what?
15:58<metalqga> billybigrigger_ might work
15:59<billybigrigger_>metalqga, libstdc++6-4.3-dev is already the newest version.
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15:59<metalqga>if not sure, check their forum
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15:59<zzack3>I'm so noob... I pasted the output in pastebin, how can you see it?
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15:59<teratoma>WE CAN READ YOUR MIND
16:00<zzack3>maybe with this link...
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16:00<teratoma>i think you're doomed, reinstall.
16:00<xandros>idk read it and we will read your mind
16:01<zzack3>so funny, here anybody can read my mind... lol
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16:02<ranix>why did you pastebin a df -h
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16:03<zzack3>It will be helpful to paste another output? which one?
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16:04<markys>Hey, little question: when I choose "laptop" in the software selection menu of the installer, which packages does it install?
16:04<markys>is there a list somewhere?
16:04<zzack3>ranix, any ideas?
16:04<Aizawa>In ubuntu I have this package manager which isn't synaptic.. I don't know what it's called, but it's more user friendly, in the menu it's called "Add/Remove...". Does Debian have this feature?
16:05<metalqga>yes Update Manager
16:05<markys>Aizawa: according to the menu, it's called gnome-app-install
16:05<metalqga>ops, but still yes
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16:06<fenix>im going crazy
16:06<fenix>i cant make anything today
16:06<metalqga>you're not alone
16:07<fenix>iwconfig is giving me my wirelless settings
16:07<fenix>but i cant ping any site
16:07<fenix>or my router
16:08<fenix>i made iwconfig wlan0 essid "My Router"
16:08<fenix>but no luck pinging
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16:09<gsimmons>markys: If your system is already established, run "tasksel --task-packages laptop". Otherwise, see
16:11<markys>gsimmons: exactly what I was looking for: a list of the packages selected by each option. Thank you!
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16:13<mallards>whats the best filesystem (performance) for a ide-based compact flash drive?
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16:13<baryluk>fenix: dhclient wlan0 ?
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16:13<fenix>it tries to get the ip from
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16:13<fenix>maybe a network broadcast
16:13<fenix>but doesnt get anything
16:13*Xyem thwacks Ubuntu upside the head
16:13<zzack3>bye, thank you for you help
16:14<baryluk>fenix: mayby you arent associated with ap
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16:14<baryluk>check iwconfig
16:14<fenix>wlan0 says My Router
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16:15<baryluk>mallards: ext2? jffs? mayby logfs (i don't know its state currently)
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16:15<baryluk>depends on size
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16:16<mallards>baryluk: ext2 since it doesnt use journal
16:16<baryluk>fenix: mayby try, iwconfig wlan0 mode infrastrocture
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16:16<baryluk>mallards: journal can kill your compact flash quickly probably
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16:18<fenix>baryluk: it says invalid argument infrastructure
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16:19<chealer>!etch 2.6.20
16:19<dpkg>somebody said etch 2.6.20 was avaiable at - ask me about <bpo>
16:19<fenix>its managed already
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16:19<chealer>valdyn: I suppose that's outdated?
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16:20<baryluk>fenix: can you paste somewhere output of iwconfig?
16:20<fenix>i have to write it all
16:20<fenix>its on the other laptop
16:21<baryluk>is there mac adddress of ap there?
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16:25<fenix>im trying to open pastebin to send you the link
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16:26<fenix>baryluk: yes is the ap mac
16:27<reuben>hi i have a question for an mdadm guru
16:28<reuben>can you grow with only one disk at a time or can you grow several drives at once
16:28<fenix>baryluk: any ideas what should be the problem
16:28<chealer>dpkg: forget etch 2.6.20
16:28<dpkg>chealer: i forgot etch 2.6.20
16:28<baryluk>fenix: looks good, very good
16:28<baryluk>mayby firewall, or routing, or no dhcp
16:28<fenix>how can i see my ip
16:28<baryluk>ip a
16:28<fenix>everything off
16:29<fenix>ifconfig doesnt give me any ip
16:29<stuckey>Hello does anyone here know anything about ppp-udeb?
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16:30<stuckey>I just installed Lenny, but when the internet connection doesn't work when the computer starts. I have to put in "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and then it works.
16:30<stuckey>Could anyone offer me some help on this?
16:31<meshuggah>i want to use in my sources.list....but i dont know how to edit the right way this file, now i screwed it, how do i use this mirror
16:31<meshuggah>i didnt made a backup of this file first
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16:32<stuckey>meshuggah: always make backups.
16:32<meshuggah>but it is too late
16:32<Xyem>stuckey: Perhaps you need to move the network configuration to start later in the boot process
16:33<stuckey>Xyem: how do I do this?
16:33<gravity>meshuggah: Put your sources.list in a pastebin and so we can take a look at it
16:33<meshuggah>ok i will try
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16:34<fenix>baryluk: i figure it out
16:34<fenix>it was the key
16:34<fenix>now its working
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16:35<meshuggah>i did(i tried to) i used "moi" as nickname
16:35<Xyem>stuckey: Off the top of my head, you need to go into the 'rc' directories and find a file named something like 'S40networking'
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16:36<Xyem>stuckey: You would need to rename it to something like 'S60networking'
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16:37<gravity>meshuggah: Please speak in the channel and not in private /msg, so that everyone can help you
16:37<gravity>meshuggah: And that's not a pastebin
16:37<meshuggah>but if i do, i will get kicked....see
16:37<meshuggah># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r7 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090210-11:46]/ etch contrib main
16:37<meshuggah># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r7 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090210-11:46]/ etch contrib main
16:37<meshuggah>deb etch main
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16:37<Xyem>stuckey: Be warned, I've not done this so it may break something.. it might be better to find out which one is starting your ppp and move that before networking
16:37<steffan>meshuggah: gravity a'ready explained you can't flood here, use the pastebot or #flood.
16:37<meshuggah>steffan : I KNOW
16:38<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
16:39<Xyem>stuckey: As a workaround, you might be able to restart the networking somewhere later in boot up ( such as another startup script so it is obvious it is a workaround )
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16:39<steffan>meshuggah: the default /etc/apt/sources.list can be found at, once you have restored it to what it should be, we might be able to help you.
16:39<Xyem>stuckey: Sorry I can't give you a more definitive answer, I'm just voicing what I would do in your situation
16:39<stuckey>Is 3D acceleration needed by anything except games?
16:39<meshuggah>steffan : thank
16:40<stuckey>Xyem: no problem... it helps.
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16:40<Xyem>stuckey: As long as it works in the end, right? :)
16:40<stuckey>Xyem: It is possible though that something besides the start up order is at fault? Perhaps a module isn't being loaded?
16:40<stuckey>Xyem: I say this because that's what restarting network says in the terminal, says something about a module being loaded.
16:40<Xyem>stuckey: What module?
16:41<stuckey>Xyem: not exacly sure... but I believe it has to do with PPPoE
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16:43<steffan>meshuggah: you can then add the repositories of your choice using 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'.
16:43<steffan>if nano is your prefered text editor.
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16:43<meshuggah>steffan : i tried that,. it is how i screwed it
16:43<meshuggah>steffan : but with the webpage you pointed me, it is still screwed
16:44<Xyem>stuckey: Have you tried manually telling Debian to load the 'ppp-udeb' module during startup?
16:45<Xyem>stuckey: To test, you could restart, do 'modprobe ppp-udeb', then restart networking and see if it stops telling you it has loaded a module
16:45<steffan>meshuggah: the webpage that i pointed you too shows you what /etc/apt/sources.list was like when you first installed debian.
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16:45<steffan>meshuggah: you can revert back to that and use it as your base.
16:45<steffan>meshuggah: do you know how to do that?
16:45<meshuggah>steffan : yeah, but i think it got changed with a canada one
16:46<meshuggah>i pasted something and copied in sources.list
16:46<steffan>meshuggah: you want to use Canadian repositories?
16:46<meshuggah>i cant say what, i am gonna get kicked
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16:46<steffan>meshuggah: use,
16:46<meshuggah>steffan : no, the canada one was very slow
16:46<meshuggah>steffan : 20k/s
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16:46<steffan>meshuggah: just use the ones that come on install.
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16:47<steffan>meshuggah: ie. the ones displayed on the link i posted to you.
16:47<meshuggah>steffan : i have found this one : and it is 450k/s
16:47<Xyem>meshuggah: Not as bad as the uk ftp mirror I used earlier @ 440b/s :)
16:47<steffan>hm. i haven't touched my /etc/apt/sources.list since i got it.
16:47<steffan>except for a few small changes to it.
16:48<meshuggah>steffan : do u read french?
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16:48<steffan>meshuggah: no, I speak English.
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16:49<meshuggah>steffan : ok....when doing apt-get update...i got like 500 lines of error
16:49<steffan>you've confused me now, what is it you actually want to do? restore your /etc/apt/sources.list to what it looked like when you first installed debian?
16:49<steffan>or use repositories of you're choice?
16:49<meshuggah>steffan : i want to use
16:49<steffan>either way, you should probably remove the "screwed" /etc/apt/sources.list first, and replace it with the default, and use that as a base.
16:49<meshuggah>steffan : YES BUT the base get me like 500 lines of error
16:50<meshuggah>steffan : i can paste them in pastebin, but it is wrote in french
16:50<steffan>meshuggah: you want to use that, as well as the defaults?
16:50<chealer>Xyem: ppp-udeb isnt' a LKM, it's a udeb
16:50<meshuggah>steffan : and i dont want to translate each line :)
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16:50<chealer>stuckey: again, I'd look at logs
16:50<meshuggah>steffan : i want debian to work like i want, else i am gonna remove it
16:51<meshuggah>steffan : i only want to have a mirror that is fast
16:51<meshuggah>steffan : is fast
16:51<chealer>stuckey: nothing really needs 3D acceleration besides games
16:51<Xyem>chealer: Ah, thanks for the correction
16:51<steffan>then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, meshuggah.
16:51<steffan>and add the repositories of your choice.
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16:51<stuckey>chealer: Thanks!
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16:51<meshuggah>steffan : i tried earlier, but i screwed it, and with the standard one, it is still screwed
16:51<stuckey>chealer: What the nis the proper way to set up a machine with an nvidia card?
16:52<chealer>stuckey: unless you need 3D acceleration or your card's chipset model is "new", there's nothing particular to do.
16:52<Xyem>stuckey: What output do you get from 'lspci -k' when the connection is working?
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16:53<stuckey>chealer: It's the 9800 GT, which is fairly new. There isn't anything in xorg about a video card...
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16:53<fenix>i cannot get nvidia driver to work too
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16:54<wired_>Could someone possibly help me mount my dvd rom properly?
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16:54<fenix>i cannot find the nvidia kernel
16:54<steffan>meshuggah: you need to 'apt-get update' after changing it to the standard sources.list. and then after that, you can add the repository of your choice with something ~like ' deb stable main main contrib non-free'.
16:54<stuckey>chealer: here's my xorg.conf:
16:55<meshuggah>steffan : yes i did apt-get is that that show me all the calice de tabarnak d'esti lines of erro
16:55<baryluk>wired_: what is the problem?
16:55<wired_>iv been looking on the internet for reference on mounting but none has worked so far
16:55<meshuggah>i will remove the key in synaptic
16:56<wired_>i cannot get my dvd rom to mount
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16:56<chealer>stuckey: that should be decently supported without the need to do anything particular.
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16:57<Xyem>stuckey: Can you show me the output when you restart the networking ( when it says it has loaded a module? )
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16:57<openit>lenny is great :)
16:57<stuckey>Xyem: Yeah, give me a second.
16:57<openit>thank you
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16:57<steffan>wired_: what have you tried so far? have you found out what /dev/cdrom is linked to? 'ls -l /dev/cdrom',and k eep on going until you go through the layers of soft-links
16:57<stuckey>chealer: So why doesn't it have any drivesr loaded in xorg?
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16:58<baryluk>wired_: check `dmesg` for the name of yout dvd driver device name /dev/hdb, or /dev/scd0 ? it can be
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16:58<wired_>baryluk: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-02-14 15:37 /dev/cdrom1 -> hdc
16:59<chealer>stuckey: lenny's xorg.conf doesn't specify the video driver by default. that doesn't mean no video driver will be loaded when X is started.
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16:59<stuckey>chealer: oh okay...
16:59<stuckey>chealer: So which driver is it using?
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17:01<baryluk>wired_: mount -t udf /dev/hdc /media/cdrom -o ro (or -t iso9660)
17:01<xandros>maybe you can fstab it
17:01<chealer>stuckey: it should use nv. X's log will let you confirm.
17:01<meshuggah>steffan : i removed (# before the line) the non-us one, now it works, but it still have one line of error, it show : W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:4D270D06F42584E6
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17:02<stuckey>chealer: doesn't say anything about the "nv" driver there...
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17:02<xandros>yeah fstab and then format it to linux
17:02<wired_>no medium found
17:02<stuckey>chealer: And if this driver isn't doing hardware acceleration, what does it do?
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17:03<Xyem>stuckey: I think the 'nv' driver provides 2D acceleration but not 3D acceleration
17:03<Aeyoun>Hi, looking for help. I have got the following Blu-Ray drive (firmware 1.10) connected to SATA1. I can boot into the installer, but when the installer tries to mount the disc the installer cannot find it. The disc is debian-500-amd64-netinst.
17:03<stuckey>Xyem: So what is the benefit of that?
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17:03<Xyem>stuckey: You can watch video
17:04<stuckey>Xyem: awesome
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17:04<Xyem>stuckey: Otherwise, it might be quite choppy due to a limited fill rate ( I guess )
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17:04<wired_>baryluk: no medium found
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17:04<gravity>You get a driver that's better than vesa for normal use
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17:04<stuckey>thanks gravity
17:05<stuckey>gravity: how do I install it?
17:05<openit>do you think it is better to wait some weeks before upgrading lenny to squeeze?
17:05<Xyem>stuckey: It probably allows more resolutions too
17:05<stuckey>Xyem: Yeah my on screen fonts look like shit right now
17:05<chealer>stuckey: the nv manpage talks about it. it does 2D acceleration as Xyem wrote. if X isn't using nv, it might be using a generic driver, but I think that would be abnormal.
17:05<xandros>i install with fstab
17:05<xandros>works well
17:05<gravity>stuckey: xserver-xorg-video-nv
17:05<baryluk>wired_: check dmesg | grep hd
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17:05<baryluk>or dmesg | grep DVD
17:06<chealer>openit: for how long did you use testing?
17:06<stuckey>gravity: says it's already installed.
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17:06<wired_>game me bad sector error
17:06<Xyem>stuckey: You should be able to force using the nv driver with the appropriate 'Driver' option
17:06<wired_>hdc: LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-451S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
17:06<wired_>hdd: LG CD-RW CED-8083B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
17:06<wired_>hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
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17:07<stuckey>Xyem: will using nv make my fonts look decent?
17:07<openit>chealer: i use lenny 3 days now, but i want to upgrade to testing to have newer software
17:08<openit>chealer: but i think i'll use lenny now a while before upgrading
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17:08<Xyem>wired_: Is that a SATA DVD drive?
17:08<chealer>openit: that may be a good idea, yes.
17:08<wired_>well origionaly its the first hdc the lite on
17:08<Xyem>stuckey: If you are using an flatscreen monitor, it might put it at the correct ( native ) resolution and make the fonts look right
17:09<stuckey>Xyem: okay thanks I'm going to kill x and run x --configure
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17:09<chealer>Xyem: depends on what you mean by "decent"...or which video driver X is currently using.
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17:09<enouf>dondelelcaro: hi - sending a small PM to you please? (concerning dpkgbot)
17:09<baryluk>wired_: did you put dvd disc right side into dvd driver? :D
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17:10<dondelelcaro>enouf: ask away
17:10<Xyem>chealer: I've seen fonts on flatscreens not at native resolution.. anything better is "decent" :)
17:11<Xyem>chealer: I suppose it depends on what is actually wrong
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17:11<meshuggah>what is the meaning of : E: Dynamic MMap ran out of roomE: Erreur(error) apparue(received) lors du traitement(when executing) de(le) sgml2x (NewVersion1)E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
17:11<chealer>Xyem: yeah, assuming he wasn't at native resolution (I might have missed that)
17:11<meshuggah>i was doing apt-get update
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17:14<stuckey>Xyem: "REconfiguring network interfaces...Plugin loaded"
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17:14<stuckey>chealer: ran X -configure, copied file, screen fonts look better now.
17:14<stuckey>chealer: it's using the nv driver now.
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17:16*Xyem prods client
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17:17<stuckey>Xyem: that's what it says when I run "/etc/init.d/network restart"
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17:18<chealer>stuckey: would be nice to know which driver X previously used (though there are good chances that whatever the problem is will fix with a newer X11)
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17:18<stuckey>chealer: I don't know how to find that out.
17:18<dazjorz>I think a Debian package is corrupted.
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17:19<gpb>lenny stable is bad
17:19<gpb>I'm used to my daily dose of updates
17:19<Xyem>stuckey: Can you paste up your '/etc/network/interfaces'
17:19<gpb>I'm *craving*
17:19<dazjorz> - debianutils_2.31.tar.gz should be 136.6 kB but when I open it, it's 550 KB and dpkg-source doesn't want to unpack it because size is 563200 instead of expected 139842
17:19<NSAJEFF>Issue; I tried reinstalling Lenny with just the netinstall cd, however, it does not detect my wifi networks and goes up in flames..
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17:19<Xyem>stuckey: And what interface is ppp meant to be working over?
17:19<dazjorz>Could somebody confirm? :)
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17:20*Xyem thwacks IRC client
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17:20<Xyem>My tab completion doesn't work :(
17:20<stuckey>Xyem: use irssi
17:20<chealer>stuckey: you'd have to look in X's log (the one(s) before it started using nv)
17:20<stuckey>chealer: I just so happen to have that here:
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17:21<Xyem>Does it support SOCKS proxy?
17:21<stuckey>chealer: Wait... sorry... here:
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17:21<stuckey>Xyem: I'm not sure
17:21<stuckey>Xyem: but probably, it's pretty good.
17:21<Xyem>stuckey: Line 12 looks odd
17:22<stuckey>Xyem: what's wrong with that?
17:22<Xyem>"provider provider" just strikes me as an odd line
17:23<stuckey>Xyem: it's correct... that's the name of the file "provider".
17:23<chealer>stuckey: so it was using vesa. if you don't see this fixed by at worst squeeze's release, there's something wrong.
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17:23<stuckey>chealer: that this should be set automatically to use "nv" instead of vesa?
17:24<openit>i installed lenny with kde3
17:24<openit>wenn i want to remove akregator
17:24<openit>it sais that over 300 packages could be removed with autoremove
17:24<openit>why ? :(
17:24<Xyem>Sorry stuckey, I can't see anything else wrong
17:24<chealer>stuckey: yes
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17:24<fenix>i finnaly was sucessfully installing nvidia driver
17:24<stuckey>chealer: I'll keep an eye on it then. Thanks for the help.
17:25<stuckey>Xyem: thanks for the help anyway... I'm going to give up for today, and pick this back up tomorrow night.
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17:25<fenix>but i get an error when starting X
17:25<fenix>Nvidia(0) Failed to load the Nvidia kenel module
17:25<fenix>any idea
17:26<dazjorz>nevermind - something on this side is causing it :S
17:27<Xyem>stuckey: I'll be around, hopefully we can crack it :)
17:27*fenix any ideas about how to solve this issue
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17:28<NSAJEFF>Issue; I tried reinstalling Lenny with just the netinstall cd, however, it does not detect my wifi networks and goes up in flames..
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17:28<baryluk>fenix: modprobe nvidia ?
17:28<chealer>fenix: how did you install it?
17:28<fenix>not found
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17:29<baryluk>fenix: there is lots of faq about nvidia instalation, find one :)
17:29<fenix>i followed the debian sample
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17:29<Xyem>I'm off for the night
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17:30<Xyem>Thanks to those that helped me earlier and good luck to everyone with outstanding issues
17:30*Xyem tips his hat
17:30<fenix>baryluk: any idea??
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17:30<chealer>fenix: that needs work. use this instead
17:30<chealer>!tell fenix about ngd
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17:31<kc9eye>"There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 4D270D06F42584E6", While aptitude update for upgrade to Lenny?
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17:33<chealer>!tell meshuggah about mmap
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17:38<fenix>its a problem installing nvidia-kernel
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17:40<gsimmons>kc9eye: See
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17:41<kc9eye>gsimmons: Thanks
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17:44<kc9eye>You would think that would be in the Release Notes?
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17:45<baryluk>kc9eye: it is already fixed.
17:45<baryluk>in volatile archive
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17:45<baryluk>the lenny's signing key isn't present in etch repos, but is in etch/volatile
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17:46<baryluk>kc9eye: deb etch/volatile main contrib non-free
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17:47<kc9eye>baryluk: Thanks, QSL
17:47<baryluk>and then install debian-archive-keyring
17:47<baryluk>from it
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17:47<baryluk>then change everything to lenny, and upgrade
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17:48<hp_>mis huexos
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17:48<meshuggah>ok.. i am upgrading to lenny now
17:49<meshuggah>if it fuck my computer, be sure i remove debian, and continue to ubuntu, i got too many problems with debian..
17:49<meshuggah>in 1 1/2 day...
17:49<kc9eye>QSL, will do, Thanks.
17:50<ben123>i just updated to lenny and got some questions about: after updating to lenny, my munin shows me that the "local timer interrupts" are at 250/sec all the time, on etch there wasn't any of this...? is this a problem or just soemthing new to lenny?
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17:50<meshuggah>and why did they choose lenny for the name...?!?
17:52<meshuggah>etch was cool..but lenny.....why not bob or joe or thegreatbillgates?
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17:52<baryluk>meshuggah: Toy Story
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17:53<meshuggah>baryluk : ok, it was a character in this movie?
17:53<baryluk>all codenames
17:53<meshuggah>yeah but lenny it dont sound good
17:53<baryluk>squezee sound strange
17:53<dpkg>releases is, like, See for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases.
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17:54<meshuggah>maybe i am asking too many questions :) i always have 5000 questions in my head every minutes...
17:54<fenix>baryluk: do you know why i cant install nvidia-kernel on 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
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17:55<baryluk>fenix: mayby. (missing kernel headers ? ), don't know, find some instruction on net
17:55<meshuggah>baryluk : i understood what you was meaning...dont worry, i think i am typing/spelling like 3 yrs old
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17:55<baryluk>meshuggah: sqeuzee is bad codename, people will do mistakes...
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17:56<meshuggah>ho...all the codename are coming from toystory
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17:59<Mulliken>Hi there
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18:00<meshuggah>hello mulliken
18:00<Mulliken>I have a problem, I just downloaded teamspeak, but when i run the it responds : error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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18:00<Mulliken>do you have an idea ?
18:01<meshuggah>maybe installing or i dont know...i am newbie since 1 1/2 day
18:01<xandros>ill try to remember hang on i had teamspeak like 3 years ago
18:01<meshuggah>what is teamspeak?
18:01<stew>Mulliken: is there a reason you aren't using the debian packages of teamspeak?
18:01<craigevil>m install it using aptitude? teamspeak-client or teamspeak-server
18:02<Mulliken>stew : does exist a debian package of teamspeak ?
18:02<Mulliken>I didn't know lol
18:02<xandros>you can talk as many way calling in irc scripts
18:02<meshuggah>mulliken : open synaptic
18:02<Mulliken>teamspeak is a program to speak with other persons
18:02<Mulliken>with mic
18:02<meshuggah>somewhere in your menu
18:02<baryluk>meshuggah: voice conference software
18:02<xandros>only one at a time thoe
18:02<meshuggah>i would say how, but my debian is french
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18:03<meshuggah>synaptic = 3 button on the screen up left
18:03<craigevil>teamspeak-client is in non-free, so make sure you have non-free in your sources.list then use aptitude to install it
18:03<meshuggah>and first button in this menu
18:03<meshuggah>ansd you will find synaptic there
18:03<meshuggah>after search for teamspeak
18:04<craigevil>apt-cache search teamspeak, much quicker than opening synaptic
18:04<Mulliken>yeah you're all right
18:05<Mulliken>It run
18:05<Mulliken>thank you ;)
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18:05<Mulliken>the name is teamspeak-client lool
18:05<xandros>i thought it was to hard to use with more than 3 peps
18:05<Mulliken>and I tried just teamspeak >_<
18:05<baryluk>Mulliken: apt-cache search :)
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18:06<meshuggah>craigevil : yeah maybe, but i am a newbie, and i am beginning to try to learn terminal command :)))
18:07<jkom>I upgraded etchnhalf to lenny. Everything looks good except that I still seem to be running the etchnhalf 2.6.24 kernel. That's supposed to update automatically. Any reason why it wouldn't?
18:07<xandros>be careful of bash
18:07<xandros>if your a noob
18:07<fromport>Hi! Anyone here has experience with x58 mobo setup ? lenny's installer wont recognize the e1000e card and when i put the drives in the bios in ide mode it locks-up after reboot
18:08<meshuggah>xandros : and what is bash :)
18:08<xandros>a power ful way to do stuff good and bad
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18:09<xandros>there are some bash commands that help alot and if done wrong you kill linux
18:10<meshuggah>the best way to learn to use it, is to screw up my computer with it, the same way i learned msdos 3.0 and everything i learned on computer
18:10<fromport>is there a (unofficial) cd/boot-image out there with the lenny installer with a "slightly" more recent kernel installed ? (working e1000e driver)
18:10<xandros>sink or swim
18:11<gravity>meh, the shell shouldn't be scary
18:11<meshuggah>i reinstall/reformat/ os often, i am getting used to
18:11<meshuggah>no it is not scary
18:11<meshuggah>but winshit xp got me used to use the mouse :)
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18:11<xandros>i used fstab to get my xandros to see my external hd today
18:12<xandros>i was like great no bash happening
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18:13<meshuggah>15 minutes before the end of the lenny's download
18:13<meshuggah>i hope my computer will still work after
18:13<xandros>except i had to format it to linux so now it wont work in mac or windows lol
18:13<meshuggah>cause it showed me some error line
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18:14<xandros>thats ok i bought it for this litte eeepc 900 anyhow it only comes with a 4 gig hd
18:15<xandros>so now its 254 gig
18:15<meshuggah>it is better
18:15<meshuggah>i have 2 X 40 gig and it is not enough
18:15<xandros>just under 200 buck for everything
18:15<meshuggah>everything = including the computer???
18:16<meshuggah>it is nice
18:16<xandros>its very nice
18:17<xandros>1 gig of ddr2 ram and a 1.6 ghz atom cpu made by asus
18:17<xandros>solidstate hd
18:17<EmleyMoor>I could cope with a small laptop for my own stuff...
18:17<fenix>now X gives me a error Please insure that there is a supported nvidia gpu
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18:18<meshuggah>8 month ago i paid 300$can for this computer(p4 1.5 ghz, 256 mb ram(rambus rdram) 40 gig hd, flatscreen(14 or 15" idk) and a little set of cheap speaker, ah and a printer
18:18<Mulliken>Do you know how to find sound driver ? Is it in /dev/dsp ??
18:18<shze>is there a way to deactivate the network-manager daemon permanently without deinstalling it?
18:18<debianite>Hi, do you guys know when there wil be any Squeeze net install iso?
18:18<EmleyMoor>This computer cost me (or will, when I pay it off) GBP630
18:19<shze>do I have to remove the /etc/init.d/* links or is there a setting in /etc/default/*
18:19<meshuggah>debianite : i dont know how to use a keyboard, i am sorry i am not able to help you
18:19<debianite>meshuggah: comme again?
18:19<xandros>major might have your driver
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18:20<meshuggah>debianite : i dont understand, i am sorry i am a french-speaking human, so my english is poor
18:20<fenix>:( its seems that i would be able to get graphics on my laptop
18:20<themill>debianite: since squeeze isn't much different from lenny at the moment, there is no need for squeeze isos at this stage
18:20<meshuggah>anybody want to give me some rambus ram ? :)
18:21<debianite>meshuggah: so is mine, but I'm still able to comunicate. :)
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18:21<meshuggah>you forget one m in communicate
18:21<plsd>I'm using Debian 5.0 and an intel graphics card. Is compiz any harder to install than doing "aptitude install compiz"?
18:21<meshuggah>forgot sorry
18:21<shze>any ideas about deactivating network-manager?
18:21<debianite>themill: thanks, you are right...
18:22<debianite>meshuggah: thanks,for the reminder!
18:22<meshuggah>shze : try typing : debian deactivating network-manager in
18:22<meshuggah>lol :)
18:22<themill>shze: n-m will ignore any interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces. Check the documentation in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/
18:22<shze>themill: oh, ok, that helps. thanks!
18:22<meshuggah>2 minutes before upgrading to lenny...will i need to restart after?
18:23<baryluk>themill: n-m will only ignore interfaces with "static" configuration
18:23<baryluk>meshuggah: if kernel was upgrade (it is), then you should restart
18:23<debianite>meshuggah: I've got somme spare ddr...
18:24<meshuggah>my motherboard have only 4 rambus slot
18:24<meshuggah>maybe ebay want to "give" me some rambus
18:24<amacater_>meshuggah ; Don't forget aptitude update aptitude ; aptitude update apt ; aptitude full-upgrade
18:25<meshuggah>amacater : ok, i did, but it was showing me some error
18:25<amacater_>Or something close to that - it's important to update apt and aptitude _FIRST_ :)_
18:25<themill>baryluk: right, but there's if you're wanting n-m out of the way, you presumably don't want dhcp, otherwise you'd just use n-m...
18:25<amacater_>Rambus - hard to find and VERY expensive for what it is.
18:25<meshuggah>amacater : yes it is :)
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18:25<themill>amacater_: fsvo of "close to that" that is actually correct
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18:27<xandros>that what im on
18:27<fenix>guys please help me
18:27<fenix>i dont know what to do now
18:27<fenix>i google it but i cant find anything useless
18:27<fenix>now X gives me a error
18:27<meshuggah>fenix : i would help you, i would help everyone in this channel, but i am using linux since 2 weeks, and debian since less than 2 days...
18:28<EmleyMoor>fenix: What error are you gettting?
18:28<xandros>try typing linux x
18:28<fenix>Failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module! Please insure that there is a supported nvidia gpu in this system, and that the nvidia device files have been created properly
18:29<xandros>oh shit
18:29<xandros>thats roughf
18:29<themill>fenix: etch? lenny? nvidia proprietary drivers? nv free drivers?
18:29<EmleyMoor>Which NVidia card do you have?
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18:31<fenix_>modprobe and modinfo seems fine
18:31<EmleyMoor>Which NVidia card do you have?
18:31<fenix_>8400 GS i think
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18:31<meshuggah>xandros : is your computer's battery good?
18:31<EmleyMoor>OK - and are you trying the nv or nvidia driver?
18:32<fenix_>8400M G
18:32<fenix_>i followed the nvidia tutorial
18:32<themill>fenix_: which nvidia tutorial?
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18:34<fenix_>i dont know what to do now
18:34<themill>fenix_: are you ircing from linux on this machine?
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18:35<EmleyMoor>Not sure nvidia driver supports that card
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18:36<fenix__>fuck my isp sucks
18:36<fenix__>fuck my isp sucks
18:36<fenix__>did you wrote anything
18:36<themill>we've noticed!
18:36<EmleyMoor>Not sure nvidia driver supports that card
18:36<meshuggah>fenix : phone them and shout
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18:37<fenix>i saw some tutorials that says that works
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18:38<plsd>How can I see if Compiz is running? I followed this for Debian 5.0 and installed the packages libgl1-mesa-dri and compiz and then I restarted X and did "compiz --replace", but it looks the same.
18:39<gravity>plsd: mnimize and maximize a window
18:39<plsd>gravity, It looks just like before
18:39<amphi>plsd: run that command in a term, and see what it says
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18:40<OdyX>!release numbering
18:40<plsd>amphi, doh it seems something went wrong.
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18:44<plsd>Sorry, I did ctrl+c in terminal and had to restart X. If anyone wrote anything after my pastebin link I missed it.
18:45<amphi>I didn't ;))
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18:46<cheal>fenix: sorry, I also lost my connexion, but if you didn't figure out your problem yet, which version of the nvidia drivers did you install?
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18:47<klando>mauvais chan mjfcolas
18:47<meshuggah>mjfcolas : salut
18:47<meshuggah>mjfcolas : écoutes le pas
18:47<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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18:47<plsd>I might as well ask something else meanwhile. Whenever I start Debian I get a message saying "automatic network service discovery disabled". I found this but when I check "System/Administration/Network in the General tab" there is no Automatic Service Discovery box to uncheck. Any ideas on how to fix this in Debian?
18:47<mjfcolas>bon, je voulais vous dire, que j'avais réussi à installer moin paquet, sans compiler
18:48<cheal>meshuggah: no French here. use #debian-fr
18:48<gravity>plsd: You might want to start in /usr/share/doc/avahi-*
18:48<meshuggah>cheal: ah sorry i didnt know :)
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18:48<gravity>assuming that's who's making the noise
18:48<meshuggah>sorry man
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18:49<meshuggah>i was thinking linux is free and open....
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18:49<meshuggah>what is the meaning of bbl ?
18:50<EmleyMoor>Be Back Later
18:50<klando>be back later
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18:50<streuner>meshuggah: /msg dpkg bbl
18:50<dpkg>Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <madwifi> for stable wireless chipset drivers; <ath5k>, <ath9k>, <ar9170> or <otus> for wireless drivers under development. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2> or <atl1e> for Ethernet adapter drivers.
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18:50<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 is supported in lenny., #madwifi @
18:50<plsd>gravity, What should I do there? (I installed Debian a few hours ago so I haven't really made any changes))
18:50<themill>mxldr: /msg dpkg madwifi
18:50<mxldr>msg dpkg madwifi
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18:51<dpkg>Test Failed.
18:51*EmleyMoor gives wxldr a new packet of /s
18:51<gravity>plsd: Are you really worried about it?
18:51<EmleyMoor>mxldr even
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18:51<mxldr>what are you guys talking about?
18:52<mxldr>what is /s?
18:52<mxldr>and what is mxldr even?
18:52<plsd>gravity, I don't know what it is, I'm just guessing something isn't right if it keeps popping up.
18:52<gravity>plsd: Where does it pop up? When you log in?
18:52<EmleyMoor>/ signs, and you
18:52<enouf>plsd: complain to and their bloatwarez
18:52<EmleyMoor>(I typo'd - wxldr - and was correcting)
18:53<plsd>gravity, yeah in the bottom right corner it comes up for a few seconds every time I log in.
18:53<mxldr>what does even mean?
18:53<dpkg>Test Failed.
18:53<EmleyMoor>In this case "rather than what I typed before"
18:53<enouf>all DEs must die .. and so must the Federal Reserve
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18:53<plsd>"Network service discovery disabled. Your current network has a .local domain, which is not recommended and incompatible with the Avahi network service discovery. The service has been disabled."
18:54<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!
18:54<enouf>avahi? rofl
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18:54<enouf>kill that shit
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18:57<baryluk>enouf: not nacassarly shit, i find it usefull in home with few computers, all services are automaticly discovered, very nice
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18:58<plsd>I think I found the solution. I changed AVAHI_DAEMON_START=1 to 0 in /etc/default/avahi-daemon
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19:02<enouf>baryluk: shit. period
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19:03<enouf>baryluk: naturally, it's just IMO
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19:03<dpkg>madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
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19:04<mxldr>what is modprobe in lenny?
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19:04<mxldr>if i apt-cache search modprobe, it says couldn't find package modprobe
19:04<binarymutant>it should already be installed
19:05<plsd>(trying again) I'm trying to get Compiz to work on Debian 5.0 with Intel GMA 3100. I installed the packages libgl1-mesa-dri and compiz and then I restarted X and did "compiz --replace" which gives me this message
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19:06<mxldr>what device is my atheros card? wlan0?
19:06<mxldr>or wmaster0-00?
19:06<gravity>plsd: What does "glxinfo | grep direct" say?
19:07<gsimmons>mxldr: Please start reading the factoids you request.
19:07<AMD_> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
19:07<pioruns>hello. how to install from .deb file in terminal?
19:07<plsd>gravity, direct rendering: Yes
19:07<binarymutant>pioruns, dpkg -i
19:07<pioruns>thank you
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19:08<streuner>pioruns: /msg dpkg bobbitt - just in case ;-)
19:08<gravity>I've no idea why compiz would be doing that
19:08<plsd>Turns out that ctrl+c didn't even close it. I still see the error message in terminal, now with this under it: "gtk-window-decorator: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0."
19:08<pioruns>and what to use to install from .deb in GUI?
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19:09<enouf>if there isn't a console, you're not on GNU/Linux
19:09<enouf>give it up.../
19:10<pioruns>there is a problem, open gdebi with package deb. click "install" and gdebi dissapear
19:10<binarymutant>pioruns, use the dpkg
19:10<pioruns>i will
19:10<enouf>gdebi has got her panties in a bunch
19:10<Arcalyth>Hi. Can someone tell me the validity of this statement: "Linux slows down when one directory has more than 1024 directories in it."
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19:11<binarymutant>Arcalyth, false
19:11<enouf>Arcalyth: _: man tune2fs, see dir_index
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19:11<abrotman>Arcalyth: you mean 1024 'files' ?
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19:11<Arcalyth>abrotman I suppose. I'm just asking because a friend told me that, but he tends to not know what he's talking about.
19:12<enouf>so .. come here and spread the shit
19:12<plsd>Arcalyth, Sounds like bs, I have folders with several thousand folders/files and I don't notice any slowdowns (wherever that would happen)
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19:13<Uranium>Ciao a Tutti... ;)
19:13<Arcalyth>That's what I thought, I just wanted to ask people who knew that they were talking about =)
19:13<Arcalyth>thank you all
19:13<abrotman>Arcalyth: firstly, it depends very much on the filesystem
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19:13<plsd>Arcalyth, just try putting a bunch of crap in a folder and try it out yourself :)
19:13<craigevil>i have a dir that has 2000 directories and 30k of over 10gb files in it no problems
19:13<enouf>Arcalyth: maybe hand him some tidybowl cleaner and flush him too
19:15<enouf>~# ls -R | wc -l
19:15<enouf>more than 1024 - no probs :-PP
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19:17*enouf must go ... off to find new p**** :-)
19:18<Arcalyth>Yeah, he insists that it causes slowdown, and that he can't even get accurate directory listings while on ssh.
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19:19<themill>Arcalyth: then he's talking crap or he's managed to screw up his file system.
19:19<Arcalyth>but.. I suppose this isn't the place to ask about that =)
19:19<Arcalyth>so thanks for the help anyway.
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19:19*themill places bets on another l33t reiserfs installation
19:21<mxldr>you know the guy who made reiserfs killed his wife?
19:21<mxldr>no joke!
19:21<streuner>tell news
19:21<avu>thank you captain obvious
19:22<mxldr>you guys already knew?
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19:22<NSAJEFF>...VERY old news.
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19:22<mxldr>why did he make reiserfs? how did he make money?
19:23<NSAJEFF>I think he was a business owner if I remember correctly
19:23<abrotman>mxldr: wikipedia ?
19:23<NSAJEFF>Or a 'higher' up
19:23<kbs>Is there a HOWTO on setting up a netboot server within a pre-existing DHCP network? That is -- relay IP assignment requests to another DHCP server, but pass on the next-server flag to the local bootp server? dhcp3-relay doesn't seem like the right approach
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19:24<Knives>Hey, could anyone give me a good and reasonable explanation of why debian is better than ubuntu?
19:24<Knives>Or vice versa, perhaps.
19:25<NSAJEFF>Any suggestions on connecting to my laptop via ssh without access to the router? I was thinking something along the lines of VNC but as I mentioned, I cannot get access to the router to configure dyndns or port forwarding..
19:25<mxldr>unbuntu is too black for me
19:25<avu>Knives, there are no clearly defined metrics to determine which operating system is "better" than the other
19:25<abrotman>Knives: depends on the purpose of the machine
19:25<Knives>I see
19:25<mxldr>knives, for most people, unbuntu is too african
19:26<abrotman>mxldr: stop, not funny at all
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19:26<Knives>so, would it be safe to presume that debian is catered more towards the typical code/programmer
19:26<Knives>and ubuntu, the average consumer.
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19:26<abrotman>Knives: not at all ...
19:26<mxldr>abrotman: yeah bro, it is funny
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19:26<abrotman>no, it's not, please stop
19:27<Knives>Hey, please stop bickering guys...I didn't want this to turn into a debate about how african an OS is
19:27<Knives>Just wanted a categorical answer
19:27<streuner>mxldr, do you want troll here
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19:27<mxldr>i'm not trolling. you guys just cant take a joke
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19:27<avu>Knives, well, you won't get one. at least not from anyone sane. :)
19:27<NSAJEFF>It wasn't funny and I'm a skinny-white guy..
19:28<avu>Knives, it's just not that easy
19:28<Knives>I see.
19:28<Knives>Well, I asked Jpdota from this channel...he said debian is clearly better.
19:28<NSAJEFF>Ubuntu; desktop. Debian/Slackware/other old-school distro; server
19:28<Knives>I think he's incredibly biased and misinformed.
19:28<avu>Knives, well, then he's a zelot
19:28<Jpdota>You called?
19:28<mxldr>NSAJEFF: i thought it was funny, and i'm a medium-build mulatto
19:28<Jpdota>zealots are us
19:29<avu>Knives, there simply is no "clearly better" in regards to operating systems. if anything, they all suck.
19:29<Knives>Thank you for the answer NSAJEFF
19:29<NSAJEFF>avu, agreed
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19:29<Knives>and avu
19:29<Knives>I have a better understanding now...Jpdota was feeding me wrong information.
19:29<NSAJEFF>Frankly, I feel they all have major short-comings. Just a question of what you're willing to skimp on.
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19:32<mxldr>are there going to be any new versions of reiser FS?
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19:32<Jpdota>NSAJEFF: I understand the typical argument that Debian is more geared towards stability makes it less qualified as a desktop OS. However, I think that stability is a major factor in the suitability of an OS for the desktop
19:32<NSAJEFF>I think its a questionable future. I doubt it personally and am therefore avoiding it
19:32<Jpdota>Actually, I don't remember where, but I read that ReiserFS development is continuing
19:33<mxldr>but how? isn't the guy in jail?
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19:33<NSAJEFF>Jpdota, completely agree and good point. I however feel that it lacks a great deal of user-friendliness for a 'consumer' level user
19:33<Jpdota>mxldr: it's open source, new people have apparently stepped up
19:33<Knives>Good point NSAJEFF
19:33<Jpdota>NSAJEFF: true, so perhaps it's a better OS for an advanced computer user?
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19:35<Jpdota>mxldr: hopefully that provides a satisfactory answer
19:35<NSAJEFF>Jpdota, entirely my point. I perceive a server OS as geared towards an advanced user and I feel debian fits both roles and as such can fill them both well
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19:35<NSAJEFF>If targeted correctly
19:35<Jpdota>Fair enough, I agree with that statement
19:35<Knives>NSAJEFF, if you don't mind me asking, do you work for the National Security Agency?
19:36<NSAJEFF>I don't imagine I'd be flaunting that :)
19:36<NSAJEFF>If it were the case
19:36<Knives>Ok good, because I have torrented a shitload of illegal crap...
19:36<NSAJEFF>Likewise ;)
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19:36<NSAJEFF>I do however work for its Canadian counterpart...
19:36<Knives>Oh I see
19:36<NSAJEFF>Nothing too scary. Just sys admin work
19:37<Hydroxide>NSAJEFF: csis?
19:37<NSAJEFF>Hydroxide, indeed
19:37<Hydroxide>NSAJEFF: I'm surprised you're allowed to say that in public. though I guess if you're not doing anything covert it's not too surprising
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19:38<NSAJEFF>Hydroxide, we're allowed to discuss our place of work. Certain individuals certainly have to maintain secrecy regarding their positions. I however, don't. I'm a lowly system admin after all :) BOFH...
19:38<Knives>I run covert operations for Sun Microsystems...I've finished missions in Guam and Thailand.
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19:41<mxldr>I admin the network between superman and aquaman and superfriends league of justice
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19:43<digitaloktay>hi people
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19:43<xandros>hahaha the synaptic wonnt let me remove nice huh
19:44<xandros>oh god now to manualy do it
19:44<xandros>i hope
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19:51<NSAJEFF>Any suggestions on doing a netinstall when I cannot connect to my wifi networks?
19:53<dr|z3d>NSAJEFF: Can youo cat5 to the router?
19:55<abrotman>NSAJEFF: which wifi card?
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19:59<Mulliken>Hi there, I just reinstalled my debian and I can't read streaming with iceweasel
19:59<Mulliken>Java is installed
19:59<Mulliken>What do I need to be able to read streaming on youtube for example
20:00<Mulliken>please ?
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20:00<craigevil>!adobe flash
20:00<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and cannot be in a stable debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easist way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta>
20:00<craigevil>Mulliken: ^
20:04<Mulliken>I've just aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
20:04<Mulliken>but it changed nothing under iceweasel
20:05<craigevil>did you restart iceweasel? if not restart it and look in about:plugins
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20:08<Mulliken>craigevil, sure I restarted ^^, but about:plugins doesn't have any *flashplayer* nowhere just at the begining Name of file :
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20:09<craigevil>like this ? File name: /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/
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20:11<Mulliken>Oh got it
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20:11<plsd>I'm trying to get Compiz to work on Debian 5.0 with Intel GMA 3100. I installed the packages libgl1-mesa-dri and compiz and then I restarted X and did "compiz --replace" which gives me this message
20:11<Mulliken>I did : aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
20:11<Mulliken>I work
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20:11<Mulliken>Thank you craigevil
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20:18<ColoGuy>what's up?
20:18<Mulliken>nothing lol
20:18<Mulliken>This world is corrupted
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20:19<Mulliken>But we can do nothing against it
20:19<ColoGuy>it's been corrupted since the beginning of time
20:19<ColoGuy>just gotten really good at oit
20:19<ColoGuy>my typing is corrupt
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20:20<Mulliken>Masters of world, hudge bankers are playing with us
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20:21<ColoGuy>they're just taking whatever they can get their hands on
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20:33<kc9eye>Broadcasting live from standard "etch/gnome" to "lenny/gnome" upgrade!
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20:34<kc9eye>Thanks for the help from this room, I appreciate it!
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20:52<plsd>I'm trying to get Compiz to work on Debian 5.0 with Intel GMA 3100. I installed the packages libgl1-mesa-dri and compiz and then I restarted X and did "compiz --replace" which gives me this message
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21:01<twb>When preseeding, how do you set "seen" to false?
21:01<twb>i.e. so I can provide a default value but still prompt the user
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21:05<honschu>plsd: Which driver do you use in X for your graficcard?
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21:06<plsd>honschu, not sure, how do I check? I installed a couple of hours ago so whatever the default is.
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21:07<honschu>with lsmod or better the xorg logfile. did you restart X after installing libgl1-mesa-dri and so on? Nevertheless, compiz shouldn't just crash.
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21:09<akheron>alguien ya tiene los repos oficiales de testing squeeze?
21:09<akheron>Quiero upgradear mi lenny
21:10<honschu>english please
21:10<akheron>sombody have the oficial repos of squeeze testing?
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21:10<akheron>i want to upgrade my lenny
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21:11<twb>akheron: s/lenny/squeeze/ in your sources.list
21:11<plsd>honschu, I did restart X after installing those. Could the driver be "ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0"?
21:11<baryluk>akheron: there is about 100 offical mirrors :)
21:11<honschu>squeeze is still the same than lenny for the next 10 days. but you can change lenny with squeeze in the repos
21:11<gravity>plsd: No, that's the version of the interface between the X server and its video driver(s)
21:12<honschu>plsd: nope - look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
21:12<akheron>thanks men, i'm do it now
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21:12<plsd>honschu, I am, there's a lot of stuff there, trying to look for something that looks like the driver :)
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21:13<honschu>plsd: It's not that hard to read. look out for "Chipset" in a line with (--)
21:14<honschu>or just paste it to pastebin
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21:14<plsd>honschu, this?
21:15<honschu>ok good, it's the right i810 driver. what says "glxinfo" ?
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21:17<honschu>nice, plsd it all looks good
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21:18<honschu>i have a i915, never tried compiz - I'll give it a shot and look at the line
21:18<plsd>honschu, thanks!
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21:20*twb pines for a GMA500
21:20<baryluk>honschu: i have i915, compiz works, but not very fast when runbning big resolution
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21:21<noppe>could someone tell me what font is used here?
21:22<plsd>baryluk, When I used compiz in Ubuntu it was faster than metacity, at least it felt like it.
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21:23<abrotman>noppe: more than one font
21:23<amphi_>plsd: what's the problem?
21:23<dr|z3d>noppe: There are 3 discreet typefaces in use in that screenshot.
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21:24<amphi>that blasted tail again
21:24<plsd>amphi, I'm trying to get Compiz to work on Debian 5.0 with Intel GMA 3100. I installed the packages libgl1-mesa-dri and compiz and then I restarted X and did "compiz --replace" which gives me this message
21:24<dr|z3d>noppe: Did you mean the handwritten script typeface?
21:24<amphi>the same segfault as before?
21:24<noppe>abrotman: well, yes. sorry, i meant the one on top "the universal.."
21:24<noppe>dr|z3d: yes, that one
21:25<plsd>amphi, if that was to me then yes (at least I think so, if that's called a segfault :)
21:25<dr|z3d>noppe: You might have some luck with
21:26<plsd>By the way, in VLC hotkeys don't work unless I'm in full screen. For example I can press f to go out of full screen but not back into it. And space only works in full screen. Does it work for anyone else?
21:26<blast_hardcheese>Hey, I've got a RAID I just built with mdadm, when I modify the partition table I get an error 22, invalid argument. It says the new partition table will be available on next boot, but nothing appears to change; When I fdisk it says I should have a partition at /dev/md/md0p1 but that doesn't exist
21:26<amphi>plsd: try this, in a term: "LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 INTEL_BATCH=1 compiz.real --indirect-rendering --sm-disable --replace ccp &"
21:26<amphi>plsd: does it segfault the same way?
21:27<noppe>dr|z3d: thanks, i'll give it a try.
21:27<plsd>amphi, compiz.real (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'ccp'
21:28<plsd>amphi, and then my title bars disappeared :)
21:28<amphi>plsd: do 'aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager libcompizconfig0 python-compizconfig'
21:29<honschu>amphi: I just install them
21:29<amphi>plsd: that's because it killed the running WM, and then failed to start itself ;)
21:29<amphi>plsd: you use gnome?
21:29<plsd>amphi, yeah
21:29<amphi>plsd: 'metacity --replace &' will get your title bars back ;)
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21:29<honschu>plsd: amphi said it, you need to install the compizconfig stuff too
21:30<honschu>plsd: I had the same error.
21:30<plsd>it's installed now
21:30<dr|z3d>plsd: You might want to install compiz-icon also.
21:30<plsd>so do I do 'compiz --replace &' now?
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21:31<amphi>plsd: no, try the long command I gave you
21:31<honschu>it's just very funny ;-)
21:31<plsd>dr|z3d, didn't find that package
21:31<dr|z3d>plsd: maybe fusion-icon then..
21:32<plsd>ok so it's obviously running since alt+tab looks smooth. But still no window borders
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21:33<plsd>Fixed it! I did metacity replace and then compiz replace (not the long one, thought I'd try the short one too)
21:33<dr|z3d>plsd: Sounds like you're lacking a window manager.. sapphire I think comes with compiz.. or you can use whatever else.
21:34<dr|z3d>Ah, good, you got it licked.
21:34<plsd>But now that terminal window is "busy", I can't write anything in it. And is compiz on by default now?
21:35<dr|z3d>Probably not. Save you session and it should be.
21:35<honschu>lol, the cube looks funny - it's eyecandy, but is there a good reason why to use it for work?
21:35<plsd>wobbly windows is insane. I never had that in ubuntu and wasn't prepared for it. Thought it was in my head at first :D
21:36<kop>I like the image on the debian home page. I guess it's about time there was something catchy there.
21:37<kop>For 6.0 Debian it's probably safe to assume that most people won't read, so there should be a clickable video on the home page.
21:37<honschu>plsd: Do you know a list of all keybindings for this compiz?
21:37<baryluk>kop: in 7.0 we will have telephatic release notes
21:38<kop>baryluk : Nah, voice recognition. I hear IBM recently released an engine. No reason it shouldn't be exposed.
21:38<plsd>honschu, I know a few, I found a list once and I think you can see them in compiz config too.
21:38<plsd>By the way, thanks to everyone for helping!
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21:39<dr|z3d>I got the alternative compact Gnome launcher working, baryluk, but I'm still weirded out now by seeing running apps displaying text next to the icon. Don't like it, much prefer to just see the icon on the taskbar, and Gnome seems to have no option to change it. :/
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21:40<meshuggah>hi everyone
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21:41<meshuggah>i have now upgraded to lenny BUT i can't run X i can only do things in terminal
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21:41<kop>meshuggah : Did you follow the release notes?
21:41<meshuggah>i took me 2hr to find how install thing in textmode
21:41<meshuggah>kop : yes
21:41<abrotman>meshuggah: which WM do you want ?
21:45<abrotman>and what's your video card?
21:45<meshuggah>and i remember lynx when i used it 5 years agom, and with it i found irssi
21:45<meshuggah>radeon 7000
21:45<abrotman>so you did .. aptitude install gnome xorg gdm ?
21:45<meshuggah>ok i will try that
21:45<kop>abrotman : (Why would they have gone?)
21:45<abrotman>gone ?
21:45<kop>abrotman : gnome, xorg, gdm. It sounds like he had them before the upgrade.
21:45<abrotman>not sure he did .. making sure
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21:45<amphi>plsd: you can get your term back by doing ctrl-z and then typing 'bg' blind - the screen won't update, but the command will work
21:45<amphi>plsd: then you can type 'disown' and close the term, if you want
21:45<plsd>amphi, thanks!
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21:45<amphi>plsd: or just alt-f2 and 'compiz --replace' in the run box
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21:49<ircleuser>is there a channel for c programming?
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21:50<abrotman>there is ##c on freenode
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21:51<meshuggah>it didnt work
21:51<meshuggah>but i think i know the answer
21:51<meshuggah>1) they were 145 package to install
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21:52<meshuggah>2) now i dont have free space on hd, and it didnt finish the installation
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21:53<meshuggah>3) debian has screwed the boot manager, so i can't boot to hda1 with xubuntu, and running a partition manager, to give more to hdb5, using hdb1
21:53<meshuggah>can i do that in terminal
21:54<meshuggah>can i boot to xubuntu? to modify this partition and continue trying to install lenny
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21:55<meshuggah>someone hear me ? or my computer is getting possessed and want me to suicide tonight?
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21:57<dpkg>it has been said that lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>.
21:58<meshugga1>allez donc chier
21:58<honschu>just a simple question, how to exit compiz? just killing?
21:59<dr|z3d>honschu: install fusion-icon perhaps.
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22:00<plsd>ah compiz-fusion-plugins-main, that's where all the plugins I was missing were.
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22:02<amphi>plsd: plugins-extra is probably worth having too
22:02<honschu>metacity --replace
22:03<honschu>nice game this compiz stuff ;)
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22:03<plsd>amphi, thanks!
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22:04<rohan>hi.. does debian 5 kde 3.5.9 use konqueror as the default file manager, or dolphin?
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22:06<honschu>€rohanI suppose it's konqueror
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22:07<rajamocyc>w r u
22:07<rohan>honschu: great, thanks :D
22:07<rajamocyc>from thai
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22:07<cheal>rohan: it's polite to wait a minute before cross-posting
22:08<rohan>cheal: my mistake, sorry.
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22:11<Ikarus>some WMs just scare me
22:11<Ikarus>like awesome....
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22:34<edugonch>Hello, I have a problem here, a clean install of Lenny with GNOME and NVidia Driver, have a AMD X2 and looking in the system monitor can see that CPU 2 is consuming 100%, I now that it is not normal, what can I do to fix it, thanks
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22:36<edugonch>alsamixer is taking 49% of CPU
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22:43<chealer>edugonch: so...kill it
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22:44<edugonch>Well, that's simple, and, what can I do to have sound and not have the 100% of my CPU used
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22:47<baryluk>mayby `strace` it
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22:49<angasule_>is it just me or having shortcuts tied to the output symbol rather than the keypress is *really* annoying to anyone who changes layouts? :(
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23:08<astronut>i think he means xmodmap mappings or something
23:09<Alberto28>Why everyone just leave?
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23:45<chealer>edugonch: which desktop environment do you use?
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23:46<d3co>someone knows about jre on lenny!
23:47<abrotman>d3co: ask a better question
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23:48<edugonch>I kill it, now only 14% of CPU use it, something is wrong with alsamixer
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23:52<d3co>abrotman: i had set my java_home in /etc/profile, its good netbeans and openoffice but i have problems with eclipse!
23:53<abrotman>how did you install the jre ?
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23:53<d3co>.bin jdk
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23:55<chealer>edugonch: I don't know GNOME, but you could use amixer
23:55<abrotman>d3co: wrong
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23:55<abrotman>d3co: which version of debian ?
23:55<abrotman>oh ..
23:55<edugonch>I'll try it, thanks
23:56<d3co>why wrong!!
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23:56<abrotman>d3co: aptitude search sun jre
23:56<abrotman>it's already packaged for you
23:57<d3co>but other applications have no problems
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23:57<abrotman>did you strace eclipse ?
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