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00:01<d3co>how do you do?
00:02<meshuggah>yeah, i ve installed debian 3 times in less than 2 days, really fun
00:03<meshuggah>i ve deleted ubuntu, and replaced it with etch, that i will now upgrade to lenny for the 2nd time in 6 hours..
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00:05<d3co>abrotman: look my environment
00:05<d3co>export JAVA_HOME
00:05<angasule_>yeah, sorry, keyboard shortcuts
00:06<abrotman>d3co: strace eclipse .. see what it is looking for
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00:13<Guest237>hey guys, anyoen know a good guide to lvm? i need to rezise my partitions without a gui
00:16<dondelelcaro>Guest237: man lvresize
00:16<dondelelcaro>Guest237: if you're shrinking, you'll have to resize the filesystem first, of course
00:17<Guest237>im enlarging 1 shrink another'
00:18<dondelelcaro>well, first shrink the filesystem of the one you need to shrink, then use lvresize
00:18<Guest237>ok cool
00:19<Guest237>what tool do you recommend for shrink
00:19<dondelelcaro>depends on what filesystem we're talking about
00:20<dondelelcaro>if it's ext2 or ext3, e2resizefs
00:20<d3co>them Open JDK or Sun JDK ?
00:20<Guest237>yea ext3 i think
00:21<meshuggah>i had been happy to knows all that, 1 hr ago, i wont have needed to erase all ubuntu partition to install debian
00:21<dondelelcaro>Guest237: then ext2resize is what you want
00:21<meshuggah>is cfdisk good?
00:22<dondelelcaro>meshuggah: for editing partition tables, sure
00:22<dondelelcaro>meshuggah: though you can just deal with that in the installer
00:23<meshuggah>i was trying to shrink a ntfs one, and enlarging ext3 one
00:23<dondelelcaro>if you want to do it before installation, use parted
00:23<meshuggah>but it is too late now
00:24<meshuggah>btw, how can i change the ntfs one for ext3, the ntfs one contain only some mp3 ?
00:24<meshuggah>without erasing these mp3
00:25<dondelelcaro>you can't, basically
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00:26<dondelelcaro>well, I suppose you could if you resized the ntfs partition, created a new ext3 partition, then killed off the ntfs partition and resized the ext3 partition, but by the time you did that, you could have just copied the mp3's somewhere else
00:26<meshuggah>so i need to buy a usb 2.0 pci card, and burn some dvds....burning full-dvd with usb 1.1 is very very slow
00:26<meshuggah>i only have 2 X 40 gig hd
00:27<Guest237>you shuold be able to do that with a tool like gparted right? or at least partition magic
00:27<meshuggah>winshit is removed for good on my system
00:27<dondelelcaro>AFAIK none of those utilities allow changing the filessystem on a partition
00:27<meshuggah>he bugged in my face a last time
00:27<dondelelcaro>(though that'd be a pretty neat trick, I suppose)
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00:27<meshuggah>ho i found how
00:28<meshuggah>i simply need to erase the last debian partition, it is bugged and run only terminal
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00:28<meshuggah>and i will copy the mp3 there
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00:28<meshuggah>resize the ntfs, copy some more, resize, until I copied everything
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00:37<mxldr>i did what /msg dpkg madwifi said to install my atheros card. but ath0 doesn't show up
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00:39<meshuggah>when ugrading(aptitude safe-upgrade), it talked me about restarting manually a SSH service, do i need to do it before doing aptitude full-upgrade?
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00:42<Jawoota_>joopity joo
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00:54<kingsley>What's the whiziest, most eye catching and jaw dropping linux application to convert windows users with? Compiz? Screensavers? Open Office?
00:55<Jawoota_>kingsley: gterm
00:55<Jawoota_>kingsley: that or kpdf
00:55<meshuggah>the terminal
00:55<Jawoota_>kingsley: cool shit
00:55<ohDamn>i ran !madwifi-install guide to install the drivers for my atheros card, but ath0 still wont show up. all that shows up is wlan0.
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00:56<ohDamn>any ideas?
00:56<meshuggah>i think installing linuxfromscratch is easier than installing debian...
00:57<Jawoota_>i haven't installed linux in years i have no idea
00:57<Jawoota_>is debian gnu/hurd still around?
00:57<Jawoota_>(as in developed)?
00:57<meshuggah>why are you there?
00:58<meshuggah>yeah why if you havent linux installed, you are here?
00:58<Jawoota_>i have linux installed
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00:58<Jawoota_>i just haven't reinstalled it forever
00:58<meshuggah>and it is still good ?
00:58<Jawoota_>although I confess - I'm on mIRC right now because i'm not at home
00:59<Jawoota_>meshuggah: hell yeah
00:59<Jawoota_>i just keep updating it
00:59<meshuggah>me i reinstalled linux 4 times since less than 2 days
00:59<Jawoota_>really? why is that?
00:59<Jawoota_>when you say reinstall, do you mean recompile a kernel or install debian from scratch?
00:59<ohDamn>hey, the !madwifi-install doesnt work with debian lenny
01:00<meshuggah>i am trying to ugrade to lenny, using the etch netinstal i download 2 days ago
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01:00<ohDamn>can anyone help me?
01:00<meshuggah>i never tried look scary
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01:00<meshuggah>ohdamn : i am sorry i dont know i am a newbie
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01:01<ohDamn>why is wireless on debian so hard? does ubuntu have this nonsense?
01:01<meshuggah>using linux since 2 weeks(i had ubuntu intrepid ibex but erased it 1 hr ago
01:01<meshuggah>i dont think
01:01<meshuggah>ubuntu is great
01:02<meshuggah>but debian is more lightweigth, and i want to give it his chance even if i nearly threw my computer by the window numerous time today
01:02<Bizurke>ohDamn, wireless support really depends on the chipset of the card and can vary with different distros
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01:03<Bizurke>meshuggah, Jumping in to Debian can be daunting to a new user in some cases but I suggest you stick with it as it is very rewarding in the end :-)
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01:03<blarson>meshuggah: Many drivers for wireless cards are non-free and can't be part of debian proper.
01:04<meshuggah>bizurke : it is what i am saying to myself :) it is only frustrating some times
01:04<meshuggah>blarson : it is lame
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01:06<delly>how to install xammp
01:07<delly>what is ur mean dear
01:07<meshuggah>i am sorry i speak poor english
01:08<delly>I mean, I want to install XAMPP server for php
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01:09<delly>ok friend but u have any perticuler cammand for this
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01:10<meshuggah>=> kill debian -with:bfg9000
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01:12<Bizurke>delly, there is a good set of instructions within that guide, if you read and follow the guide all should work well for you
01:12<delly>ok thanks
01:13<meshuggah>when i follow the guide to install lenny(in the topic of this channel) is it normal it show me some errors?
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01:21<chealer>meshuggah: in your browser?
01:21<meshuggah>i am following how dpkg say me
01:23<chealer>meshuggah: that is?
01:26<meshuggah>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" or "stable" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>.
01:30<chealer>meshuggah: that's to upgrade to lenny, not really "install" it
01:31<chealer>meshuggah: what errors are you talking about, anyway?
01:31<meshuggah>i cant scroll-up enough to see them in the terminal, and i dont really remember
01:32<chealer>meshuggah: when do you get them?
01:32<meshuggah>some things about restarting X, but i think it said it was not necessary for gnome(it is what i have) another one about restarting SSH manually
01:32<Bizurke>from what I was able to gather from what you told me in PM was that it may be an issue with xorg and an ATI driver
01:32<meshuggah>in safe-upgrade and some in full-upgrade
01:32<meshuggah>now it is configuring the last package
01:32<jm_>so do it manually then
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01:34<meshuggah>jm : yeah, but i didnt
01:34<meshuggah>and now i am finishing the configuration of full-upgrade
01:34<meshuggah>i will restart after
01:34<jm_>yeah do it afterwards
01:35<meshuggah>i was saying restarting the computer
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01:42<saratogacx>Hi.. I have a problem... I just upgraded to lenny and I lost my nvidia driver. I'm getting an api mismatch and I'm not sure how to get them to match again. I tried uninstalling nvidia-glx and re-installing it but no dice
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01:43<jm_>install new version of nvidia driver, rebuild the kernel module, install new nvidia-glx package
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01:44<chealer>saratogacx: did you try following the guide (on the wiki) again?
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01:44<saratogacx>I have not tried the wiki. I'm installing the latest nvidia driver now so I'll see how this works.
01:45<jm_>don't do that
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01:52<Astero1D>Hey guys, how do I troubleshoot my MIC? it does not work.
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02:02<alt->Where would you put a compiled program so that it can be executed globally?
02:02<chealer>!tell Astero1D about doesn't work
02:02<jm_>alt-: is there no Debian package available?
02:02<alt->jm_: No
02:02<jm_>alt-: /usr/local/bin or so
02:02<alt->alright, thanks
02:03<Astero1D>chealer, My sound card does not work in skype or gnome's sound windows, so I dont know how to fix it
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02:05<EmleyMoor>Does it work in anything? Does it play sounds sent directly to its /dev file?
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02:08<Astero1D>EmleyMoor, the computer plays sounds, but I tested MIC in skype and gnomes sound config window and it does not work there
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02:09<Astero1D>EmleyMoor, I dont know how else to test or troubleshoot and I would not bother you guys if I knew what tor ead
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02:10<jm_>Astero1D: arecord is the simplest testing tool
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02:10<Astero1D>jm_, I'm testing in gnome-sound-recorder 2.22.0 now
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02:11<jm_>Astero1D: also verify that your input channels are unmuted and have appropriate mixer level set
02:11<Astero1D>jm_, everything is unmuted when I double click volume control
02:11<Astero1D>(using Lenny)
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02:15<Astero1D>jm_, I guess it works now
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02:15<Astero1D>I have to sellect one of the devices in skype options to be used as output sound device, which should I choose? options are:
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02:16<Astero1D>HDA Intel (hw: Intel, 0)
02:16<Astero1D>HDA Intel (plughw: intel, 0)
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02:17<Astero1D>and 4 more, each with different number 3 and 4
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02:30<syd>does anyone have a current link for a good nvidia lenny driver howto? I need a sanity check...something known to not be outdated
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02:30<jm_>!tell syd -about nvidia
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02:34<syd>that's what I was working with, but I got to step 3 without any problems and went to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it never asked about the driver...only about keyboard
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02:40<gpb>point 3 in the wiki?
02:40<stepco>syd, I had the same problem did you get an answer yet?
02:40<syd>yes, and no
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02:41<stepco>I did a killall gdm and then 'X -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf.test
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02:41<stepco>That worked for me
02:41<gpb>well, it worked for me
02:41<gpb>perhaps do you have setup that it only asks the "real important" steps?
02:42<gpb>ahhhh, where to setup that again
02:42<meshuggah>i am gonna a 5th linux on my computer since less than 2 day..
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02:43<gpb>try dpkg-reconfigue -pXXX xserver-xorg
02:43<meshuggah>no...IT WORKS!!!
02:43<gpb>where XXX is one of
02:44<meshuggah>i deleted xorg.conf
02:44<meshuggah>and did xinit
02:44<meshuggah>and gdm
02:44<gpb>low medium high critical
02:44<meshuggah>i am in lynx, brb
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02:44<gpb>hi delly
02:44<delly>how to reinstall mysql
02:45<jm_>current X server doesn't neec configuration anymore, so you need to edit xorg.conf manually
02:45<delly>plz help me gpb
02:45<gpb>jm_: in lenny xorg.conf is not installed anymore by default....
02:46<jm_>gpb: isn't that what I just said?
02:46<gpb>aptitude reinstall <mysql-packet>
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02:46<gpb>but this doesn't clean configuration files
02:47<meshuggah>i meant irssi not lynx
02:47<meshuggah>and it is not working :(
02:47<meshuggah>when openeing gdm it got stalled at Leaving Restore TV
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02:53<gpb>did you try "dexconf"?
02:53<gpb>that's the new(?) debian x configuration tool
02:53<syd>haven't tried that
02:54<syd>can that be run in X?
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02:55<syd>or do I need to change runlevel?
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02:55<gpb>it needs to be run as root thoug
02:55<jm_>debian doesn't use different runlevel to start DM
02:55<gpb>and uses configuration from debconf
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02:55<meshuggah>i succedeed to open xfce4
02:56<chealer>delly: you can uninstall it and then [re]install it
02:56<gpb>jm_ he *could* use runlevel S ... :D
02:56<meshuggah>i wont use gnome
02:56<gpb>then use KDE :)
02:56<meshuggah>Xfce4 is lighter than gnome^
02:56<gpb>or better yet: ratpoison
02:56<gpb>it should be
02:56<meshuggah>fuck, keyboard is US mapped
02:57<meshuggah>i will use xfce4 for now
02:57<meshuggah>i am borred to reinstall debian
02:57<meshuggah>4 time in less than 2 days
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02:57<meshuggah>installing debian 4 time, upgrading to lenny 2 times
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02:57<meshuggah>now it semi-worked, at least i can boot in Xfce4
02:57<gpb>shouldn't be necessary
02:57<meshuggah>but i am a newbie
02:57<gpb>but it's good for memorizing
02:58<meshuggah>i learned tonight
02:58<meshuggah>i was shouting in my appartment some times...i was wanting to throw the computer by the windows
02:58<meshuggah>right in the snow, and it is -25C outside
02:59<gpb>then you can overclock it fearlessly
02:59<gpb>snow-cooled to -25 degrees
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02:59<meshuggah>my mothercard dont let me to overclock
02:59<gpb>syd, stepco:
02:59<meshuggah>an old p4 1.5ghz with only-rambus ram
02:59<gpb>dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
02:59<meshuggah>i tried that
03:00<gpb>Xorg -configure
03:00<gpb>cp /root/ /etc/X11/
03:00<gpb>if dexconf doesn't work
03:00<meshuggah>I deleted the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
03:00<gpb>then you have at least a clean xorg.conf
03:00<meshuggah>this way i began to resolve the problem
03:00<gpb>but then I'm at the end of my wisdom
03:01<meshuggah>i suck?
03:01<gpb>no, the lenny way of doing xorg.conf sucks
03:01<meshuggah>i will reboot, i need to see if it boot directly to xfce4 without needing me to xinit, gdm, open xfce4
03:01<gpb>but that's the standard way of new xorg versions
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03:05<meshuggah> didnt rebooted directly in directly rebooted to gnome :)
03:05<meshuggah>i surpass linux torvald now!
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03:06<enouf>meshuggah: either play with gdmsetup or update-alternatives
03:06<meshuggah>it is ok now :) i can use the mouse! i see color, i dont only see line of text!
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03:07<jm_>the power of reboot always impresses me
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03:09<meshuggah>any what_is_new_in_lenny webpage or txtfile?
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03:09<jm_>did you read its release notes?
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03:09<meshuggah>cause i see nothing new, except way more difficult to install than etch
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03:09<meshuggah>how can i ask dpkg about that^
03:09<meshuggah>i dont know the command?
03:09<jm_>it's on the web
03:10<gpb>!dpkg tell meshuggah about release notes
03:10<delly>what cammand use for uninstall phpmyadmin
03:10<gpb>uninstall the package?
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03:12<Cxoliac>So I just attempted to install debian via netinstall
03:12<Cxoliac>and the file just stopped at 708 out of 811 files
03:12<Cxoliac>I selected the USC mirror
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03:12<meshuggah>ok nothing new
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03:13<jm_>Cxoliac: transfer stopped?
03:14<enouf>funny - i've heard this stopped at 811 (or thereabouts) a few times over the last 24hrs
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03:15<meshuggah>i used i was getting between 300k/s / 550 k/s
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03:18<meshuggah>how can i flash my bios with debian^
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03:19<Cxoliac>It just stopped
03:19<Jpdota>meshuggah: depends on your computer hardware, is it made by your OEM?
03:19<Cxoliac>When it got to 708 files out of 811
03:19<jm_>flashrom - Universal BIOS/ROM/flash programming utility
03:19<Jpdota>meshuggah: sorry, by an OEM>
03:19<jm_>if you're brave enough
03:19<Cxoliac>The progress bar stopped...and hasn't started up yet
03:20<Cxoliac>I'm guessing it's the mirror I was using
03:20<Jpdota>jm_: some OEM's have nice tools
03:20<jm_>modern BIOS-es allow you to update it from within BIOS
03:20<meshuggah>yes i am brave and stupid
03:20<meshuggah>it is not modern
03:20<jm_>Jpdota: yes, even BIOS includes it nowadays
03:20<meshuggah>it is a p4 1.5ghz with 256 meg rdram
03:20<Jpdota>jm_: if he's looking to update his BIOS there's a good chance it's not modern =P
03:21<meshuggah>my motherboard manufacter sucks, i cant even overclock it..
03:21<meshuggah>i still have only usb is very long to burn a 4.7gb dvd
03:21<meshuggah>like 2hr and more
03:21<ins4ne>2 hrs for one DVD?
03:21<jm_>Jpdota: it's exactly the opposite - they have lots of bugs and there's often a good idea to update modern BIOS as opposed to old one where updates are usually not even available for years
03:21<meshuggah>it is external
03:21<ins4ne>holy..... :x
03:21<meshuggah>i even not get 1x speed
03:22<meshuggah>it is a 18X for burning dvd
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03:22<jm_>Cxoliac: try using different mirror
03:22<ins4ne>and I thought burning a Double Layer DVD with 2,4x would be a mess (45 minutes for one)
03:22<enouf>might try the biosdisk method from dell
03:22<enouf>is there even a real update for your old mobo?
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03:22<meshuggah>i dont remember the name
03:23<meshuggah>TCS is the company, i am not sure
03:23<enouf>got windows?
03:23<Jpdota>jm_: I'm not talking about the reason for updating, but the ability to do so from within the BIOS
03:23<meshuggah>i erased winshit
03:23<meshuggah>2 weeks agod
03:23<meshuggah>so i am a still learning linux-newbie
03:23<enouf>you can install wine though :-P
03:23<meshuggah>i wont trust that
03:23<meshuggah>not to flash the bios..
03:24<jm_>Jpdota: yes
03:24<enouf>nm that - all you need is freedos
03:24<meshuggah>i had it on the winshit hd i erased..
03:25<meshuggah>i should buy another computer
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03:25<enouf>you can probably even get away with booting to a cd, if you're good with mkisofs/genisoimage and floppy emulation mode
03:26<jm_>freedos provides CD too
03:26<enouf>through isolinux? or mscdex?
03:26<meshuggah>enouf : i dont understand the last part of your no i am not good with that
03:27<enouf>meshuggah: it's ok ... ;-)
03:27<meshuggah>i know mscdex
03:27<enouf>!comfort meshuggah
03:27<dpkg>There, there, meshuggah. It's OK. I'm here for you.
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03:27<meshuggah>i use computer since msdos 3.0 is out
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03:27*enouf wonders if it's a ROMpaq :-P
03:28<meshuggah>i only dont know windows vista, linux, freebsd, macos
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03:28<meshuggah>you should install msdos 3.0
03:28<meshuggah>it is faster than debian
03:28<enouf>so .. you know BeOS?
03:28<meshuggah>i know the name
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03:28<meshuggah>i am only a god in msdos/winxp and less
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03:29<enouf>same here
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03:29<enouf>but DOS? well, i forget all the commands, and i'll smash a machine now if it doesn't load DOSkey for me
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03:29<meshuggah>i suck with linux, but i am at least better than 99,5% of the human race
03:30<meshuggah>i was very young when i was running msdos 3.0, after i got 5.0
03:30<enouf>you need some tuts ... or something
03:30<meshuggah>for a while
03:30<Cxoliac>Is there a way to restart a stalled netinstall? It froze while installing packages..
03:30<meshuggah>i need a big package of some thousands tuts on every subject
03:31<enouf> and .. and and ...
03:31<meshuggah>cxoliac : put the fire in your computer
03:31<meshuggah>i will bookmark them
03:31<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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03:31<meshuggah>i think dpkg is wrong
03:32<enouf>!8ball isn't meshuggah wrong instead?
03:32<dpkg>Sure. Yeah, exactly.
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03:32<meshuggah>it is great learning by ourself, but some time it is better with the help of other
03:33<meshuggah>i shouted in front of my computer today, i wanted to destruct it with my hammer
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03:33<id_>s/destruct/destroy/ :)
03:33<meshuggah>maybe it happened 10.000 times in my life i wanted to smash a computer
03:33<meshuggah>maybe more
03:33<jm_>Cxoliac: I think it asks about retry when it fails - but don't quote me on that
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03:34<gpb>a friend of mine once managed in a rage to pulkl out his CDROM
03:34<gpb>complete CDROM
03:34<gpb>he didn't know how, though, afterweards
03:35<gpb>cause it was closed at the time, as was the computer
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03:35<jm_>I can imagine that with a case that doesn't use screws to attach storage devices
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03:35<meshuggah>maybe he is schyzophrenic and dont remember the screwdriver he had in his hand :)
03:37<meshuggah>meshuggah> !fuck
03:37<meshuggah><dpkg> The addressCharacter "!" is to get my attention in a normal channel. Please leave it off when messaging me directly.
03:37<meshuggah><dpkg> somebody said fuck was cool
03:37<meshuggah>dpkg need to try it
03:37<dpkg>meshuggah: are you smoking crack?
03:37<meshuggah>not crack
03:38<dpkg>BillGates: You're being summoned, Dark Lord.
03:38<meshuggah>he is funny this little bot
03:39<dpkg>well, spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), razor, crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>,, <list spam>.
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03:40<buffoon_work>I have a problem configuring 2 Monitors. 1 Works with the Command Line and the other with X but both with X seems to not work. Also xrandr -q only shows 1 screen and not both. I'm using a nvidia card with proprietary drivers
03:41<enouf>jm_: i have a few boxen with the optical drives just sitting in their tray/rails/channel .. no screws attached .. so i can easily move/pull them out of the way - oh the side of case is always off too :-)
03:41<jm_>buffoon_work: nvidia docs explain how to configure twinview
03:42<buffoon_work>jm_, ah, so it doesn't work with xrandr?
03:42<jm_>enouf: you have no problems with vibration with such a setup?
03:42<meshuggah>jm : the computer was possessed by evil
03:42<enouf>jm_: not at all
03:43<jm_>buffoon_work: yes, I think there are some limitations with regards to xrandr
03:43<buffoon_work>ok, trying out twinview then... thx
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03:59<Oscar_>Hi, good morning : D
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04:01<meshuggah>hi good night
04:01<Oscar_>i wanna install debian trough the debian.exe installer from goodbye-microsoft dot com
04:01<meshuggah>it is 4am, i am up since 24hr now
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04:01<meshuggah>burn i netinst cd
04:01<meshuggah>burn a
04:01<Oscar_>i already have one
04:01<Oscar_>but i dont think it will recognize my wi-fi driver
04:02<meshuggah>some time it is difficult
04:02<Oscar_>but teh, debian.exe wanna take the image from here :
04:02<Oscar_>and i have intel core 2 duo, so i ask myself wtf?! amd64?!
04:03<meshuggah>u have got a problem there
04:03<dondelelcaro>Oscar_: uh... an intel core 2 duo uses the amd64 dist
04:03<meshuggah>can you edit the amd64 part
04:03<Oscar_>dondelelcaro ah i didnt know it
04:03<dondelelcaro>(technically, it's emt64, but for the most part it's the same)
04:04<Oscar_>k now i accepted
04:04<Oscar_>and its downloading lol
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04:04<meshuggah>oscar : dont worry, it will only crash when you will reboot
04:04<Oscar_>downloadind lilo i think, now initrd.gz
04:05<Oscar_>last time i used debian was lilo :P
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04:05<meshuggah>maybe i am wrong
04:05<meshuggah>it is ubuntu or debian that installed grub on my computer
04:05<Oscar_>btw i'm just testing this installer for fun
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04:05<Oscar_>ubuntu install grub..
04:05<blarson>Oscar_: lilo is still an option.
04:06<Oscar_>blarson k :) some1 used this .exe before ?
04:06<meshuggah>me i tested upgrading to lenny today......i wanted to smash my computer a few times with a scrowbar
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04:07<blarson>Oscar_: No, no MS junk around here.
04:08<meshuggah>oscar : try linuxfromscratch
04:09<Oscar_>blarson k, gonna restart
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04:17<meshuggah>how can i install flashplayer in iceweasel^
04:17<jm_>there's a package on debian-multimedia
04:18<meshuggah>i cant find it
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04:20<jm_>you don't see flashplayer-mozilla package on d-m?
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04:23<jm_>well then you obviously don't have that repository in sources.list
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04:23<meshuggah>which repositorty^
04:24<jm_><jm_> there's a package on debian-multimedia
04:24<jm_>!tell meshuggah -about d-m
04:27<meshuggah>i think it works now, thank
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04:30<meshuggah>i found it
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04:31<meshuggah>but it dont work
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04:48<IcemanX>I had tried to upgrade from etch to lenny on fri 13.
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04:48<IcemanX>on the upgrade I get an error to update the nfs-common, because some mount points exists
04:48<jm_>fri 13th? now you know why it failed
04:49<IcemanX>so the upgrade stoped
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04:49<IcemanX>now if I retry to start the upgrade
04:49<EmleyMoor>IcemanX: umount all you NFS
04:50<IcemanX>I get the error: could not perform immediate configuration on debconf
04:50<EmleyMoor>(fdirst thing I would try, if the system itself doesn't depend on it)
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04:50<EmleyMoor>Not sure beyond that
04:50<IcemanX>yes I umount all, but what about this error
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04:52<IcemanX>some change to rescue my system without reinstall
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04:52<hizibiz>anyone knowing about how the default config changed in postgresql in lenny ?
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04:52<delly>i wanna install dareamweaver
04:53<delly>so plz help me
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04:54<IcemanX>help !!!!!!!!!!
04:54<delly>i wanna install dareamweaver
04:54<id_>What's the issue?
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04:56<hizibiz>id_: asking about postgres or dreamweaver ?
04:56<IcemanX>nobody an idea?
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04:58<jm_>IcemanX: which tool are you using for upgrade?
04:59<jm_>you have a command called apt on your system?
04:59<IcemanX>i do it normally with apt-get dist-upograde
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05:00<delly>how to install dareamweaver
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05:00<hizibiz>delly dareamweaver or dreamweaver
05:01<IcemanX>some idea?
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05:01<jm_>release notes say to use aptitude, not apt-get
05:02<IcemanX>I not tried aptitude, how to do the dist-upgrade with this?
05:02<IcemanX>can you send me the command to do it
05:02<jm_>please read release notes, it's all explained in there
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05:03<id_>delly: if you wish to install on Debian, please look into emulation software such as Wine.
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05:03<delly>no acctully i wanna install dreamweaver
05:04<jm_>delly: that is offtopic for #debian, please ask elsewhere
05:04<jm_>it's not something that Debian provides
05:04<id_>delly: alright, then install a virtual machine running a supported dreamweaver platform, and install it. :)
05:05<pingouin_>safe to dist-upgrade from Etch ? (to lenny)
05:06<pingouin_>or i broke everything ?
05:06<delly>ok thanks friend
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05:06<koollman>pingouin_: safe, if you read the documentation
05:06<IcemanX>whats the command for the dist-upgrade with aptitude
05:06<avu>IcemanX, read the release notes
05:06<id_>IcemanX: rtfm, please.
05:07<avu>IcemanX, it's all explained in there
05:07<IcemanX>aptitude safe-upgrade????
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05:07<pingouin_>i hate aptitude, i dont get anything about ;)
05:07<pingouin_>still using apt-
05:07<avu>!tell IcemanX about lenny release notes
05:07<jm_>not even minesweeper?
05:07<azeem_>id_: it's unclear which manual you're referring to, so please be more specific in the future
05:08<id_>azeem_: touche.
05:08<pingouin_>!tell pingouin_ etch upgrade
05:08<avu>!tell pingouin_ about self tell
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05:09<IcemanX>so I hope it work with aptitude, otherwise I get a mental breakdown
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05:13<gpb>IcemanX the options for aptitude are more or less the same as for apt-get
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05:14<azeem>gpb: not really for this case
05:14<GotenXiao>Is supposed to not have symlinks for sid yet?
05:14<gpb>dist-upgrade is dist-upgrade :)
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05:14<EmleyMoor>GotenXiao: Not just yet - ever
05:14<azeem>GotenXiao: sid is not supported by security
05:15<gpb>sid is assumed to be changing so fast we need no security
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05:15<GotenXiao>Awesome. *removes from sources.list*
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05:15<azeem>gpb: dist-upgrade is no longer documented AFAICT, try aptitude help
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05:16<gpb>well, in the german revision of the manpage it's still dist-upgrade...
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05:17<gpb>in the english version that's changed
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05:17<avu>dist-upgrade is now called full-upgrade. also, he really just needs to read the release notes. :)
05:17<azeem>the point is - safe/full-upgrade is certainly a better, so it makes so stop referring to dist-upgrade
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05:19<gpb>i try to....
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05:19<gpb>argh, how do i kill manpage-cache again?
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05:20<themill>gpb: you're right -- the de manpage still has upgrade/dist-upgrade which is a shame. If you're a native speaker, can you submit a patch for the man page? /msg dpkg reportbug ; /msg dpkg full-upgrade
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05:20<gpb>that's why I wanted to remove man cache to be sure it's still there
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05:21<gpb>thanks fpor checking
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05:22<themill>gpb: you can also "man -l /usr/share/man/de/man8/aptitude.8.gz"
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05:23<gpb>ah, I knew I had forgotten something :)
05:23<RossKO>Hello all, im having a problem with my sound can anyone help
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05:25<gsimmons>RossKO: You'll first need to describe the problem you're experiencing.
05:25<jm_>!tell RossKO -about ask
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05:26<gpb>oh well, there's a *real* old bug with german translation of aptitude manpage: #432288
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05:27<RossKO>ok well basically i have no sound, i have sid with kde4 experimental, when running lenny i had sound no problem, but now with fresh install nothing
05:27<gpb>use alsamixer?
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05:27<RossKO>what is alsamixer?
05:28<RossKO>i have kmix
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05:29<jm_>should be equally good - amixer will also show state of your mixer
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05:30<jm_>verify that your channels are unmuted
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05:30<RossKO>yeh well my card/chipset is detected as Sis SI7012 but i recieve nothing i have tried changing to other choices but still nothing
05:30<RossKO>yeh im unmuted
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05:30<RossKO>max volume on all channels
05:30<jm_>paste the output of 'amixer scontents' on some pastebin (not here)
05:30<jm_>that doesn't mean unmuted
05:31<RossKO>yeh but as far as i know im unmuted since it has been unclicked
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05:35<RossKO>whats a good pastebin site
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05:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
05:36<petemc> has pretty colours
05:37<RossKO>its ok i found one
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05:41<jm_>RossKO: noticed 'off' for master?
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05:42<RossKO>jm_, ok im not up on this stuff so anyidea howto turn on?
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05:44<jm_>RossKO: try amixer sset Master '40%' unmute
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05:45<RossKO>jm_, ok fixed, i really dunno why that was all the mute boxes are unticked
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05:46<vizor>hi guys!
05:46<vizor>I have strange bug
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05:47<vizor>when I use my laptop from battery it randomly reboots
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05:47<RossKO>jm_, its all good by the sounds of it now, so thanks dunno whats was up
05:47<petemc>vizor: when you power it on again the battery has power left?
05:47<vizor>before that I have screen freeze for couple seconds
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05:48<vizor>petemc: no it can work goot or reboot againe
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05:49<vizor>as I guess I catch kernel panics, right?
05:49<petemc>hard to say
05:49<vizor>so can anybody suggest any way to investigate this?
05:49<petemc>do you have a live cd laying around?
05:50<vizor>yes I have
05:50<petemc>try using that whilst its on battery
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05:51<IcemanX>hello agian
05:52<IcemanX>I tried now with aptitude, but I get processing was halted because there were too many errors
05:52<vizor>ok, I will try bit later, but what will I see?
05:52<petemc>vizor: if that reboots as well its most likely a hardware issue
05:53<vizor>hm, ok, thx for advice
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05:55<jm_>RossKO: run 'alsactl store'
05:56<IcemanX>some new ideas
05:56<vizor>but how to find out which part of hardware can cause this?
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05:59<jm_>vizor: perhaps serial console can also help
06:00<IcemanX>??? help ???
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06:09<IcemanX>hello, nobody an idea to help me
06:10<gpb>I didn't reqad earlier
06:10<gpb>what's your problem? full-upgrade?
06:10<gpb>take the output to pastebin and pst that link here?
06:12<IcemanX>yes, with apt I get the error: could not perform immediate configuration on debconf and with aptitude, I get also errors
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06:16<IcemanX> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
06:16<IcemanX>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libarts1c2a:
06:16<IcemanX> libarts1c2a depends on libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.8b); however:
06:16<IcemanX> Package libqt3-mt is not configured yet.
06:16<IcemanX>dpkg: error processing libarts1c2a (--configure):
06:16<dpkg>IcemanX: i haven't a clue
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06:16<dpkg>icemanx: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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06:17<rcescon>Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
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06:19<rcescon>Hello, I changed the user from IcemanX to rcescon
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06:20<Golfgeo>Hi all
06:20<gpb>!tell rcescon about pastebin
06:20<rcescon>gpb: You have an idea how can I fix my system
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06:20<Golfgeo>Got a question: There is Cisco, Extreme Networks and something like Jupiter. But what is the exact name of the last one?
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06:21<Golfgeo>Thanks mate!
06:21<gpb>dunno, though, was the first that sprang to my mind
06:21<gpb>better check it
06:21<gpb>rcescon which command did you use?
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06:22<Golfgeo>Dammit, there website isn't firefox compatible in it's width...
06:22<Golfgeo>Oh well
06:22<rcescon>aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade
06:22<rcescon>both fails
06:23<gpb>try to force it to install libqt3-mt or remove libarts1c2a
06:23<gpb>aptitude remove libarts1c2a
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06:23<rcescon>how can I do the force, please post me the command
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06:23<gpb>just remove it
06:24<gpb>and post the result in pastebin
06:24<gpb>if it wants to also remove too many files break when it asks
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06:25<gpb>!dpkg pastebin
06:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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06:26<rcescon>thanks, in advance
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06:27<leandro>hi friends
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06:28<philsf>rcescon: aptitude install -f
06:28<gpb>ok, then try
06:28<gpb>aptitude install libqt3-mt
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06:29<rcescon>should i try now the message from <philsf> or from <gpb>?
06:29<gpb>philsf first
06:29<gpb>hi leandro
06:29<rcescon><philsf> solution faild now I try the other
06:30<philsf>rcescon: please don't say fail, without pasting the error (preferrably in a pastebin)
06:30<rcescon> here the errors
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06:32<jm_>looks like the real cause is missing from that paste
06:33<rcescon>sorry, here again
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06:35<philsf>rcescon: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf
06:35<philsf>this is your error. have you googled it?
06:35<jm_>try installing debconf-english manually
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06:36<rcescon>yes I googled it, but I found no solution, how can I install debconf-english anaually
06:36<jm_>aptitude download debconf-english && dpkg -i debconf-english*deb
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06:38<philsf>right, I missed the following lines
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06:38<rcescon>also fails:
06:38<rcescon>I think I get a mental breakdown
06:39<jm_>does dpkg --configure debconf work?
06:39<philsf>rcescon: you're almost there, just need to solve debconf installation, the rest should flow
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06:39<rcescon>also error:
06:40<philsf>rcescon: dpkg -l debconf\*
06:40<jm_>how about uninstall all debconf and then install them with dpkg?
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06:41<rcescon>dpkg -l debconf:
06:41<dpkg>No packages found matching debconf:
06:41<philsf>jm_: don't dpkg or apt depend on debconf?
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06:41<philsf>shut up, dpkg :)
06:42<jm_>philsf: well he should force it
06:42<jm_>just until debconf is reinstalled properly
06:42<philsf>rcescon: try the other package, instead
06:43<rcescon>??? sorry what?
06:43<philsf>aptitude download debconf-i18n && dpkg -i debconf-i18n*deb
06:43<philsf>oh, sorry, it won't work also
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06:44<rcescon>yes, see:
06:44<jm_>try installing both debconf and debconf-i18n at the same time with dpkg
06:44<philsf>yes, jm_ is probably right, you should force the installation of debconf
06:45<philsf>but first, try aptitude install debconf
06:45<rcescon>please the command!
06:45<philsf>first, try aptitude install debconf
06:45<rcescon>ok I try the install now
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06:47<philsf>if it doesnt work: aptitude debconf && dpkg --force-all -r debconf debconf-i18n debconf-english && dpkg -i debconf debconf-english
06:47<jm_>hopefully this is just one off issue
06:47<philsf>jm_: very strange indeed
06:49<rcescon>hi guys, I think the last command will works fine, let wait for the last resualt
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06:49<jm_>aptitude install debconf solved it?
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06:50<rcescon>yes I think so, it beeing still installing
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06:50<jm_>hmm interesting
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06:50<gpb>never heard of that problem
06:50<rcescon>I give you feedback if the instll is finished
06:50<gpb>oh well, learned something new
06:51<Nemoder>lenny removed my nut on dist-upgrade :(
06:51<philsf>rcescon: the last command you mention is the install, or the longer one after?
06:51<rcescon>yes: aptitude install debconf
06:51<jm_>must have been manual installation of those debconf-foo packages that helped it
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06:52<philsf>there is probably some verbose parameter that would help, if I knew it
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06:56<rcescon>ok debconf is installed, should I try now the dist-upgrade again
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06:58<rcescon>ok :-)
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07:02<mathiouz>hi everybody
07:03<rcescon>@gpb: it still installing :-)
07:03<rcescon>I give you feedback if itś finished
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07:04<mathiouz>erh could someone help me please , i'm just trying to install xen just to play with it and i'd like to install nvidia drivers on lenny but the kernel modules refuses to compile
07:04<mathiouz>i've downloaded the patch on the repository
07:04<mathiouz>but i don't quite know how to apply it
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07:05<mathiouz>i've tried the command patch -p1 < xen.patch but it doesn't work at all
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07:05<hizibiz>mathiouz: read the first two lines of the patch file
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07:05<mathiouz>hi kurumin
07:05<hizibiz>u need to be there prolly
07:06<mathiouz>gonna check that thanks mate
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07:06<kurumin>I'm Cícero
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07:07<mathiouz>--- nvidia-graphics-drivers-173.14.09.orig/patches/xen.patch
07:07<mathiouz>+++ nvidia-graphics-drivers-173.14.09/patches/xen.patch
07:07<mathiouz>these lines hizibiz
07:07<xser>alguien sabe español
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07:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:07<mathiouz>well educated dpkg :D
07:08<xser>hola pedro_
07:08<xser>yo estoy educado cabron
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07:08<xser>putos guiris
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07:10<hizibiz>then u have to be in nvidia source tree's patch directory and try to apply
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07:11<mathiouz>when i try to apply
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07:12<mathiouz>he asks me where are the files and when i indicat the location of the file i get this kind of answer
07:12<mathiouz>Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n]
07:12<mathiouz>what must i answer ?
07:12<mathiouz>y i presume right ?
07:13<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
07:13<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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07:41<Azazzs>any reverse proxy squirrelmail users......having some problm with reverse proxy
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07:48<uks>Afternoon. Anyone know what's up with the status of the xen-vserver prebuilt kernels atm? Lenny doesn't appear to have a combined version under 2.6.26...
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07:51<Bl4ck_w0rm>can anyone help with a problem in my debian installation?
07:52<petemc>just ask
07:53<Bl4ck_w0rm>well iam trying to install debian to an machine and it stucks with the message cannot detect CDROM drive
07:54<Bl4ck_w0rm>the CSDVDW IS SH-S223F
07:54<petemc>are you using lenny?
07:55<petemc>and is that just a normal ide device?
07:55<delly>how to install lamp
07:56<delly>plz help me
07:56<koollman>delly: aptitude install apache2 php5 mysql-server ?
07:56<delly>friend in my system phpmyadmin is not working properly
07:57<jm_>Bl4ck_w0rm: what does this return: grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
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07:57<rahim123>hi there, anyone know if the debian live cd builds have the installer support enabled?
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07:58<stuckey>Does anyone know of a way to change keyboard layouts without using a desktop enviroment?
07:59<E0x>editing he xorg.conf file
07:59<jm_>Bl4ck_w0rm: so no cd - which disk driver is loaded?
07:59<jm_>stuckey: no not anyone does
07:59<stuckey>jm_: damn
08:00<Bl4ck_w0rm>but iam stucking in when it is trying to load the cd driver
08:00<koollman>stuckey: setxkbmap your_layout
08:00<rcescon>many many thanks to <gpb>, <philsf> and <jm_>, it seems my system is now fine again, all packages are updated to lenny and looks running good, thanks so lot agian :-)
08:00<philsf>stuckey: you can dpkg-reconfigure ... something I guess console-*
08:00<jm_>stuckey: xkeycaps can also help you
08:01<jm_>or various xkb switching tools
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08:01<philsf>stuckey: you, you want to change the layout of X, or the console's?
08:01<jm_>(list they layouts you want in xorg.conf and then just switch among them)
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08:01<stuckey>philsf: I'd like to be able to use an English keyboard and a German keyboard, and not have a difficult time of switching between the two.
08:02<philsf>stuckey: in X or in the console?
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08:02<stuckey>philsf: in X
08:02<jm_>that's trivially acheavable with xkb xorg configuration + layout switching, or simply use compose key to etner those umlauts
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08:02<enouf>do /msg dpkg keymap
08:02<rahim123>stuckey: yes, i know what you mean, i like to switch with ctl+shift
08:02<Azazzs>how dose one upgrade to lenny from etch .....i just changed the apt sources.list is this ok ?
08:02<Myon>apt-cache search keyboard switch
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08:02<delly>friend in my system phpmyadmin is not working properly
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08:03<jm_>Azazzs: read release notes, see topic
08:03<philsf>delly: 'not working properly' is not useful information
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08:03<stuckey>rahim123: How do you have yours set up?
08:03<rahim123>i use gnome :-)
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08:04<stuckey>rahim123: Ah... so you don't know how to do it without one?
08:04<rahim123>from a lightweight desktop or from the console i don't know how it would be done, but i've always wanted to find out
08:04<Bl4ck_w0rm>any other ideas in "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" through installation?
08:04<delly>mean is php myadmin is not install by this cammand
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08:05<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
08:05<koollman>stuckey: as I said, setxkbmap . and maybe a bit of scription or an existing tool
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08:05<delly>how to install lammp
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08:05<philsf>delly: what command?
08:06<koollman>stuckey: actually, you can even do that in xorg.conf I think
08:06<stuckey>koollman: I think that'd be good, if I could just set it in X-org.
08:06<enouf>Bl4ck_w0rm: try two separate options with 'install{gui}' as a prefix; install generic.all_generic_ide=1 and install libata.atapi_enabled=1
08:06<jm_>xorg has docs about this
08:06<koollman>stuckey: Option "XkbLayout" "us,de" , and Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
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08:07<delly>aptitude install apache2 php5 mysql-server
08:07<stuckey>koollman: ahh... awesome, I'm going to try that, thanks.
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08:07<philsf>delly: do you see phpmyadmin in this command?
08:07<philsf>delly: aptitude install phpmyadmin
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08:08<delly>error is /var/lib/dpkg/ lock
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08:10<philsf>delly: you really need to read a documentation or howto, especially if you intend to run it in the internet
08:10<philsf>otherwise, you'll get hacked, cracked, burned and ... fired
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08:10<stuckey>koollman: okay so now what do I do to change it?
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08:11<koollman>stuckey: alt-shift
08:11<delly>ok acctully i have install apache but php is not working
08:11<stuckey>Doesn't change anything
08:11<philsf>delly: search here for a tutorial
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08:13<stuckey>koollman: it doesn't change when I push alt and shift together
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08:14<delly>ok friends i will try for this but my another thing is
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08:14<delly>how to install dreamweaver
08:14<jm_>we already told you that's not debian related
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08:15<Tuplad>Anyone else having problems after today's sid update?
08:15<stuckey>Tuplad: my stomach was a little upset this morning...
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08:16<abrotman>Tuplad: that's vague, and did you check the BTS?
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08:17<delly>r u there?
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08:18<abrotman>hit him again!
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08:19<Tuplad>stuckey: :D
08:19<Tuplad>abrotman: what's BTS?
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08:19<abrotman>!btssmite Tuplad
08:19*dpkg beats Tuplad around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if Tuplad is running Unstable
08:19<Tuplad>abrotman: thanks
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08:20<openit>i use debian lenny with kde3
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08:20<Tuplad>abrotman: no I didn't check it yet, but all shortcuts on my desktop are just *.desktop files now and to open a file I always have to go right mouse button > open with
08:20<openit>i don't see how i can use suspend to ram or disk
08:20<stuckey>Does anyone know how to switch between keyboard layouts? I've set something in xorg but it isn't working...
08:20<openit>do i need a package?
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08:21<abrotman>Tuplad: go check the BTS .. if you think you're smart enough to run unstable, we'll think you're smart enough to check the BTS before coming here to ask
08:21<Tuplad>abrotman: I'm not asking for a solution, just if people have got some issues. I am already checking BTS.
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08:22<jm_>openit: my guess would be yes, you can't see
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08:24<openit>does anyone use kde3?
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08:28<openit>if there are debian developers here: thank you for lenny :) it is really great
08:29<stuckey>Does anyone here know how I can configure my x-org to allow me to swap between keyboard layouts?
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08:29<stuckey>This is what I have so far,
08:30<metalqga>Option "XkbLayout" "us,bg(phonetic)"
08:30<sushui>W: Conflicting distribution: testing Release (expected testing but got lenny)
08:30<metalqga>Option "XkbOptions" "grp: switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"
08:31<stuckey>metalqga: how's that different from what I had?
08:31<metalqga>the second line chanves the layout with alt+shift and turns on the scroll lock led
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08:31<metalqga>didnt even look at it, you asked: Does anyone here know how I can configure my x-org to allow me to swap between keyboard layouts?
08:32<stuckey>metalqga: okay thanks... going to try it.
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08:32<stuckey>koollman: thanks, works.
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08:34<metalqga>stuckey your setup didnt work?
08:34<openit>how can i disable the printer daemon to be loaded with every boot? i do not use a printer
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08:34<jm_>openit: uninstall it
08:34<OdyX>openit: # update-rc.d remove cups
08:34<stuckey>metalqga: I misspelled toggle.
08:34<weasel>OdyX: that's not really a good suggestion.
08:35<stuckey>metalqga: but good idea about the scrolllock light... I'll try that.
08:35<weasel>OdyX: if you do it that way it'll come back with the next package upgrade.
08:35<metalqga>well I misread it :P
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08:35<OdyX>weasel: true...
08:35<weasel>OdyX: just remove or better rename the startlink in the current runlevel
08:35<OdyX>openit: ^^^
08:35<OdyX>weasel: thanks for correcting me
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08:36<dewente>brothers, any one could tell me a channel for Red Hat ?
08:36<abrotman>#redhat on freenode
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08:36<OdyX>(we ain't your brothers btw)
08:36<openit>i can just uninstall it?
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08:37<debacle>hi all. I've installed debian Lenny (as testing) 12 monts ago. Now lenny is STABLE. What do i have to do to keep my debian on STABLE and not to the new testing ?
08:37<dewente>#redhat on freenode ?
08:37<jm_>debacle: edit sources.list
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08:38<debacle>jm_ : thanks. What i have to edit in /etc/sources.list ?
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08:39<jm_>debacle: well use lenny instead of testing
08:39<digitaloktay>dewente, yes, on freenode, join #fedora
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08:40<openit>dewente: or #rhel
08:41<debacle>jm: my sourses.list has lines deb lenny main of this type ... so am i alredy on stable ?
08:41<klando>Hello, with stable the only new stage is 'volatile' ? (for etch there where some etch-n-half or sthing slike that)
08:41<jm_>debacle: yeah looks fine
08:41<jm_>klando: release notes lists what's new
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08:41<klando>:-) thank you jm_
08:41<debacle>jm_: thank you a million !
08:42<dewente>openit, that is not available
08:42<dewente>digitaloktay, can you explain me this . freenode ?
08:43<openit>dewente: are you on freendoe?
08:43<EmleyMoor>Freenode is another IRC network
08:43<dewente>I just have Xchat
08:43<EmleyMoor>Xchat is a client
08:44<EmleyMoor>This is OFTC
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08:44<openit>btw, is oftc or freenode the "official" debian support irc ?
08:44<EmleyMoor>OFTC these days
08:44<azeem>openit: both
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08:44<EmleyMoor>It was on Freenode and is still maintained there
08:44<Ganneff>irc.d.o points at oftc, so oftc it is
08:45<Ganneff>yet, people are also on freenode
08:45<EmleyMoor>dewente: Connect to and join the relevant channel
08:45<dewente>what changes I have to do to my Xchat client ?
08:45<digitaloktay>919 people on freenode #debian
08:45<azeem>the #debian regulars and chanops support both oftc and freenode to first order
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08:47<digitaloktay>dewente, open new server and then open networklist
08:47<digitaloktay>dewente, and connect to freenode
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08:48<dewente>digitaloktay, thanks
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08:48<dewente>that's work
08:49<openIT>i guess on freenode #rhel is the support channel for redhat
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08:59<openIT>is there a "safe time" to upgrade to lenny? can i do it now or shouldi wait some weeks?
08:59<christoph>openIT, you can probably do it
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09:01<dr|z3d>openIT: The safe time is when you've got your data backed up. :)
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09:02<openIT>i just wanted to make sure if it might be more dangerous now
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09:02<stew>openIT: now is a fine time to upgrade to lenny. its not a fine time to upgrae to squeeze, but lenny is fine
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09:03<dr|z3d>openIT: It's more "dangerous" when it's in testing/beta. Now it's a firm release, you can be pretty sure they've ironed out any showstopping bugs, mostly.
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09:03<openIT>i meant upgradinf from lenny to squueze
09:03<themill>dpkg: tell openIT about lenny->squeeze
09:04<klando>jm_, I didn't saw anything about in the release notes, Is there a placeholder on the wiki or the main website for the Official and semi-official repository ?
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09:05<jm_>klando: non-volatile became an official service with etch
09:06<openIT>themill: ok. so it might be better to wait a while?
09:07<klando>jm_, well it does not appear in the sources.list example
09:07<themill>openIT: depends on how exciting you like things and how good at unbreaking things you are. If you don't know how to unbreak debian packages, then I wouldn't recommend using testing immediately after a release.
09:07<klando>in th e/usr/share/doc/...
09:07<jm_>klando: well I suppose the idea is people are familiar with it from etch
09:08<klando>jm_, I know, but let suppose debian get new users :-D
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09:08<klando>(I am an old one)
09:08<jm_>klando: right, it wouldn't hurt
09:08<openIT>themill: ok
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09:08<themill>klando: please check the bts and if it's not already mentioned, file a wishlist bug to have such an example included. /msg dpkg reportbug
09:08<klando>anyway, a wiki placholder for the differents repositery doesn't exist.
09:09<klando>you're right themill
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09:13<openIT>ahm...where do i find the standard debian 5 wallpaper in kde3 here?
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09:13<openIT>i changed the wallpaper and can't find the default one
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09:19<jidm>hi. is there a way to recover a folder deleted with rm -rf?
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09:20<dpkg>undeleting is probably Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see and <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
09:20<jm_>and it's a directory
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09:31<abrotman>i think he missed the SooL part
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09:33<mateu>i'm curious about the # of RC bugs lenny showed (~100) one day
09:33<mateu>then the next day it's released.
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09:33<mateu>is /release-critical/ to be take a big grain of salt?
09:35<mateu>taken with* even
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09:37<mateu>possible explanations are:
09:37<mateu>1) they were no longer deemed RC
09:37<mateu>2) the page is out of date
09:37<klando> <-- suggest to use reportbug as root, is ti mandatory to use root users to run reportbug ?!
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09:37<OdyX>klando: not mandatory at all...
09:37<OdyX>depends on your package
09:37<klando>OdyX, well, I find strange to suggest to use root user
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09:38<OdyX>klando: where do you see that it has to be run as roo
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09:38<mateu>3) they were fixed overnight 8)
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09:38<klando>Xcuse my soft paste :
09:38<klando> To install and start it, simply run:
09:38<klando>aptitude install reportbug; reportbug
09:40<klando>on the webpage
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09:41<OdyX>klando: well.. that's not "run it as root"...
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09:42<klando>OdyX, it is implicit
09:43<OdyX>but yeah, not clear at all ...
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09:43<OdyX>klando: I have alias aptitude='sudo aptitude' :)
09:43<klando>well it is really cosmetic but I find so many people working things as root (as evil)
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09:44<OdyX>klando: maybe file a bug against (i don't know the pseudo-package for webpages)
09:45<klando>well as I am on it ...
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10:00<Azazzs>where should i ask about apache problms...
10:01<dr|z3d>Azazzs: #apache on freenode
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10:11<drr>hi, pl suggest a good light weight IM. thanks.
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10:30<dpkg><harpal> up365, Is it recommanded that I must have graphics card to do that
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10:36<T_X>hi there! I want to build my own kernel, but the files from are not signed and the ssl-certificate is a self-signed one. anyway to validate the kernel-sources?
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10:58<qwer445>could somebody help me? I have big problem try install lenny from Netinst... :((
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10:58<openIT>why is also sid freezed when testing is freezed to become stable?
10:59<qwer445>all time the installer say cant find a mirror or a right copy of lenny... Im tired looking different places... :(
10:59<qwer445>Im installing Debian 5.0 lenny stable... launch 14 of feb...
10:59<qwer445>somebody could have a happy idea to help me? xD
10:59<stew>openIT: sid is never really frozen, but developers tend to not upload radically new versions in unstable becuase we want to still be able to fix a bug in a frozen package in testing by frist uploading it to unstable and let it go through the normal transition
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11:00<stew>openIT: the alternative is that when we have to fix a bug in the frozen testing, we upload directly to testing, which means that the fixed package goes into testing without first being tested in unstable
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11:14<enouf>sounds like qwer445 issues were a) wrong arch , and b) no networking support
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11:17<Zetto>hi all, why debian testing is still using gnome 2.20 and not gnome 2.24 ?
11:18<mateu>2.22 I believe it is
11:18<OdyX>Zetto: search for "stable releases" and "release freeze"
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11:19<stew>Zetto: becuase testing was frozen for 7 months up until yesterday. expect a newer gnome in unstable sometime soonish, and then for that gnome to transition to testing sometime not quite as soonish
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11:19<OdyX>2.24 will land in unstable really soon...
11:21<stew>yeah, soon we'll probably have both gnome and kde doing major transitions, and in the process, breaking testing for those users for long periods of time, as is expected after a release
11:21<Zetto>stew, OdyX, ok thanks
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11:25<openIT>i installed lenny but want a testing system ,so i will move to squeeze
11:26<openIT>on a testing system, is it better to use apt-get or aptitude, or are both ok(i now, only choose one of them)
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11:27<christoph>openIT, some say aptitude some apt-get :)
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11:27<patrikf>I'd say it's between aptitude and both are okay now
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11:28<patrikf>there was some talk that apt-get would mark automatically installed dependencies now as well, but I'm unsure about that
11:28<enouf>it does
11:28<enouf>read the apt changelogs
11:29<patrikf>ah :)
11:30*openIT dist-upgrades to squeeze
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11:38<enouf>can someone help me shorten this command/string? ~$ find /etc/{rc[06],rcS,init}.d/ -name '*rsync*'
11:38<Zetto>i think that where is not the right place to day it, but IMHO think that Debian will get more contributors using launchpad
11:38<enouf>i tried various things - none seemed to work
11:38<stew>enouf: "ls /etc/rc*.d/*rsync*" ?
11:38<Zetto>*to say it
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11:39<enouf>stew: doh ..!
11:39<patrikf>enouf: rc[06],rcS -> rc[06S]
11:39<stew>oh i didn't read that carefully enough
11:39<enouf>stew: thank you :-)
11:39<stew>enouf: that will get 12345 as well
11:39<enouf>patrikf: oh crap ;-P
11:39<stew>echo /etc/rc{0,6,s,init}.d/*rsync*
11:39<enouf>stew: suppose there's a rcX dir/ i don't want to include - the * will grab that
11:40<patrikf>enouf: echo /etc/{{rc[06S]},init}.d/*rsync* with a reasonable shell ;-)
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11:40<enouf>hrm .. thank you all .. i'm going to start embedding the knowledge
11:40<Bleupomme>I tried to install Lenny in a virtualbox. it gets stuck after the packages download. Is 256MB of mem too short perhaps?
11:41<patrikf>enouf: but maybe it would be more convenient to use file-rc for you? (has all the /etc/rc* links replaced by one configuration file)
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11:41<enouf>just for you to have a laugh or two ;-)
11:41<enouf>things i tried
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11:42<enouf>patrikf: i know about file-rc thanks - i'm testing an upgrade and want to see if rcconf works as i thought - i have rsync disabled at boot up now, and want to make sure the upgrade doesn't enable it (from K to S)
11:42<stew>upgrade wont change a K to an S. if you remove the S, and upgrade might add it back
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11:44<enouf>stew: i'm told that if one uses 'update-rc.d -f remove cups' say, upon upgrade, it'll be enabled again - true?
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11:44<enouf>stew: rcconf keeps a file with the original Sxx and Kxx values
11:44<stew>enouf: true, which is why renaming S to K is a more permanant way of disabling
11:45<stew>and i don't agree that this is good
11:45<enouf>stew: but how to properly Kxx an item? i mean, S54 should automatically become K54 ?
11:45<enouf>i see many become K00
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11:45<enouf>stew: hence why i'm testing ;-) before i boldly make a statement about it ;-)
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11:46<enouf>file:///var/lib/rcconf/services is the file it stores info in
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11:46<enouf>here's an idea of what it looks like;
11:46<enouf>~$ pi cat /var/lib/rcconf/services
11:46<enouf>Your paste URL is:
11:47<Zetto>what is the better way to search bugs in bugs.debian ?
11:47<stew>enouf: update-rc.d manpage has a recommendation for moving S to K as a way of disabling. if you ask me about "should" then there "should" be some easier way than renaming to K, like perhaps a way via update-rc.d that updates policy-rc.d or something
11:47<stew>but I haven't really thought it out fully
11:47<enouf>stew: i think also , update-rc.d always makes a S a S20 when one uses 'defaults' to re-add a startup
11:47<abrotman>Zetto: there is a text search on the front page of
11:48<enouf>stew: which to me, is not good
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11:48<Zetto>abrotman, "An error occurred. Error was: You have to choose something to select by "
11:48<stew>enouf: which is why i think maybe there should be an interface for disabling (which could use policy-rc.d) which leaves the S54 link
11:49<abrotman>Zetto: .. on that page ?
11:49<stew>enouf: or there needs to be some other place which the "54" is stored
11:49<enouf>stew: well, i think rcconf does that - even though it's an ncurses interface
11:49<enouf>stew: see my paste?
11:49<stew>enouf: yeah
11:49<stew>enouf: yeah
11:49<Zetto>abrotman, not on it
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11:49<enouf>stew: echo? :-P
11:49<Zetto>abrotman, this page is working well for me
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11:50<abrotman>Zetto: so which page is segfaulting ?
11:50<stew>enouf: yeah
11:50<enouf>stew: for ex; for some reason, i find no rsync in there; but i do find other disabled services; 20 19 samba
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11:51<abrotman>Zetto: you want bugs on the 'gnome' package ?
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11:51<Zetto>abrotman, more less, it's only a sample
11:51<abrotman>Zetto: for example,
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11:51<Zetto>abrotman, is working well for me
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11:51<Zetto>abrotman, hummmm, i will try
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11:52<am>does anyone knows when we will have new packages on sid? such us kde4, kernel2.6.28
11:52<enouf>stew: something is a bit screwy - i have a fairly recent sid version of rcconf which fixed many annoying bugs, but i also have a weirdo etch/lenny/sid mix .. which i need to upgrade soon .. so .. i'll stick to my little corner and run my little tests ;-)
11:53<Zetto>abrotman, thanks, it helped me alot
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11:53<enouf>patrikf: that was a sincere 'thanks' not a patronizing one ;-)
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11:54<abrotman>am: when they get there .. nothing scheduled
11:54<enouf>rd: aloha!
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11:54<stew>am: expect kde4 to start appearing within a week. (I'd expect a note on from either "Sune" or "Ana" in the next couple of days)
11:54<patrikf>enouf: yeah, well I did understand it as sincere... :-)
11:54<enouf>stew: also, i'm mounted with noatime .. so :-P
11:54<enouf>patrikf: why!
11:54<rd>du reden deutsch
11:55<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
11:55<abrotman>rd: english here please
11:55<enouf>rd: hable inglese aqui
11:55<stew>enouf: i've never actually used rcconf
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11:55<rd>i;m not inglisch
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11:55<enouf>stew: it's nice - really - take it for a spin ;-) -- read the factoid though ;-) and run update-rcconf-guide
11:55<abrotman>rd: try
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11:56<rd>i:m not speak inglisch
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11:56<patrikf>rd, dann geh nach, dies hier ist ein englischer channel
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11:58<enouf>stew: i tried to get into update-rc.d ever since i saw you mention it way back - (and invoke-rc.d), but i found rcconf right away, along with sysv{-rc}-conf and friends - gave some a spin - and tried update-rc.d - then someone asked about how to only enable a certain service, using update-rc.d, in say rc3.d/ only .. and i couldn't do it easily with update-rc.d without redefining what that service should do in EACH and EVERY runlevel :-/
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11:58<enouf>maybe invoke-rc.d was the way to go?
11:58<rd>wot is dis
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11:59<patrikf>enkrypt: no, that just calls /etc/init.d/$1
11:59<patrikf>sorry enkrypt, meant enouf
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11:59<stew>enouf: in reality, update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d are meant for maintainer scripts, and not for users
11:59<enouf>patrikf: invoke-rc.d right calls it in the current runlevel
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11:59<enouf>stew: righto
11:59<rd>i,m not gread in inglich
11:59<koollman>I have some dependancy problems with debootstrap : . (that's on a lenny system, creating a lenny chroot) ... anyone seen something similar before ?
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12:00<abrotman>rd: go to
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12:00<Zetto>what is the version of gnome in debian lenny ?
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12:00<am>2.2.22 i think
12:00<abrotman>Zetto: 2.22 with some parts of 2.24 IIRC
12:00<abrotman>rd: yes
12:00<themill>!gnome status
12:00<dpkg>from memory, gnome status is shown by the Debian GNOME packaging team at
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12:01<Zetto>abrotman, is saying that lib-gnome still is 2.20
12:01<themill>abrotman: -0.02 on both of those
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12:01<patrikf>koollman: yeah, you can't have postfix and exim installed at the same time.
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12:02<abrotman>themill: cute :)
12:02<rd>pleas speak german
12:02<koollman>patrikf: so I need to remove exim explicitely from the package list ? (or perhaps install postfix later?)
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12:02<kop>rd: We only speak german on
12:02<rd>noooooooooooooooooooo nnnnnoooooooooooo
12:02<patrikf>!ops rd is getting annoying...
12:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: patrikf complains about: rd is getting annoying...
12:03<patrikf>koollman: yeah, both should work.
12:03<chealer>Zetto: did you check the release notes?
12:03*weasel looks.
12:03<stew>rd: if you want to speak german, please use ; this is an english only channel
12:03<Zetto>chealer, not all
12:03<kop>Speaking of update-rc.d. Is there a handy dandy way to get the "number" part of the softlinks for any partcular package in various runlevels?
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12:04<@weasel>bad Myon
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12:04<Myon>slow weasel
12:04<@weasel>killing innocent people with fscking broken irc clients
12:04<chealer>Zetto: see 2.1. What's new in the distribution?
12:04<Zetto>chealer, i only don't know why distrowatch shows that lenny is still using lib-gnome
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12:04<themill>weasel: which client is that broken?
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12:05<@weasel>those two
12:05<themill>weasel: yes, I saw that, but which client is it? (curious)
12:05<@weasel>no idea
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12:05<patrikf>someone could ctcp version them
12:05<patrikf>but maybe that'd kill them again...
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12:06<djc>I am a long time *nix user, started with slackware, moved to redhat, freebsd, and currently use fedora. I am a CLI person primarily, so gnome-terminal is my most used app. I'm considering ditching fedora on a new machine, wondering if anyone can point out any desirable points about debian
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12:07<Myon>we do ship gnome-terminal
12:07<Zetto>chealer, ok, same modules came from gnome 2.20
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12:07<djc>yes, i didnt really doubt that
12:07<djc>i meant more general points.
12:07<am>djc: apt
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12:07<djc>yes, I know debian uses apt
12:08<abrotman>djc: /msg dpkg why debian
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12:08<am>apt is far better than rpm package managers
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12:08<am>like yum etc
12:08<djc>thats my question.. what reasons are there that I might want debian instead of staying with fedora, or ubuntu, or suse, or anything else
12:08<@weasel>we're such a charming bunch of people
12:09<@weasel>and won't flame you to hell for asking useless or bad questions, oh no
12:09<djc>oh well in that cases that just ends the debate! :)
12:09<djc>im definately going with linspire
12:09<themill>djc: longer support cycle than fedora might appeal. But "/msg dpkg why debian" for more information.
12:09*djc heh
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12:10<@weasel>djc: best of luck with linspire
12:10<djc>that was a joke
12:10<amdgoon>djc: better and more successful upgrading options in my experience
12:10<azeem>djc: this is a support channel, we're not the Debian sales people
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12:10<kop>djc: Two things come to mind. First, upgrades work. Second, lots of packages in-tree. Which means you don't have to do your own system's integration.
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12:11<djc>Yes, yes, I know.. was just hoping for some frank talk between fellow *nix geeks.. and yes, Im looking at the info from msg dpkg
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12:11<@weasel>if it isn't in debian it isn't worth using anyway
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12:11<kop>weasel : Not entirely true. Especially if you're running stable. But close.
12:11<cahoot>hmm grapes?
12:12<djc>actually.. here is a question.. someone suggested that the packages in stable were always far behind the testing/unstable
12:12<koollman>it's right
12:12<azeem>not right now
12:12<koollman>well, not always, but close to :)
12:12<am>packages in stable will be the same for the next two years
12:12<djc>but given that lenny was *just* released, shouldny it be fairly close to unstable?
12:12<@weasel>depends on what you mean with far
12:12<kop>djc: Well, stable came out day before yesterday, so not always.
12:12<cahoot>wasn't a question really
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12:12<azeem>djc: yes, captain obvious
12:12<koollman>djc: right now, it means stable and testing are fairly close.
12:12<kop>djc: There is backports. Depends on how impatient you are.
12:12<koollman>unstable isn't that close :)
12:12<djc>ok, the other person i was talking to wasnt sure
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12:13<stew>and there are always packages which are infrequently updated and therefore might have the same version in stable and unstable for long periods of time
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12:13<schlurchz>kop: also depends on how severe the breakage caused by old packages is. :-)
12:13<djc>i read somewhere else one can mix.. so if the package in stable is behind important fixes/features, i could always choose to use the unstable one, without updating the entire system to unstable
12:13<kop>djc: Figure on fast moving packages you might have to wait 2 years for something new, if it can't be backported.
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12:14<djc>is there something equivalant to srpms?
12:14<kop>djc: I don't find it worth the hassle. YMMV.
12:14<kop>djc: Sure.
12:14<abrotman>djc: /msg dpkg source
12:14*weasel doesn't mix suites. it's bad luck.
12:14<kop>djc: But there are reasons why you can't always rebuild a package from source, as I'm sure you're aware. That's why some packages are not backported.
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12:15<djc>im thinking for the one-off case where there is some specific package I use that I absolutely want a newer version that stable has
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12:15<stew>djc: /msg dpkg backports
12:15<kop>djc: Stable works. If you want a system that works, you probably won't find anything more stable than debian stable. If you want to use testing and be more bleeding edge that's your call.
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12:16<djc>cant even say for sure if that case will ever happen, just curious
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12:16<am>debian stable is perfect for a server
12:17<djc>ok.. well i've started jigdo'ing lenny while I was talking to ya.. so we'll see..
12:17<am>or if you dont care abouts new packages
12:17<djc>no, this is for my laptop
12:17<am>you can try debian testing
12:17<@weasel>djc: you have a local mirror?
12:17<djc>which is also my 'desktop'
12:17<am>its enough desktop
12:17<mateu>djc: do you know what improvements your looking for over fedora?
12:17<am>its enough stable
12:17<@weasel>djc: if not I'd prefer bittorrent over jigdo
12:17-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
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12:17<kop>I use stable for my desktop. Because it's important to me that my desktop be there.
12:17<djc>it looked neat (jigdo), though id try it
12:18<weasel>I wonder if it'll work :)
12:18<djc>server side for me is freebsd
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12:18<hawaj0debian>In any b who can help ?
12:18<kop>djc: I'm openbsd partial, or else debian. It depends on the requirements.
12:18<kop>tell hawaj0debian -about ask
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12:18<weasel>and try to ask in english, thanks
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12:19<djc>used to work at an ISP.. we were moving to fbsd.. i dont work there anymore, but my own personal server is still freebsd
12:19<djc>tell djc -about ask
12:19<hawaj0debian>I need some b to help for 15 min
12:19<hawaj0debian>must be guru debian
12:19<hawaj0debian>cen paypal dotate
12:20<kop>tell djc -about msg
12:20<stew>hawaj0debian: just ask your actual questions
12:20<hawaj0debian>Hi stew..
12:20<djc>was just curous what message was there... ;P
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12:20<hawaj0debian>can we get provate?
12:20*djc baffles what debian questions need to be kept private
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12:21<abrotman>hawaj0debian: just ask here
12:21<stew>hawaj0debian: you'll get better help if you just ask here
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12:21<kop>There is apparently a convention on the ubuntu channels to make people ask privately. (?!?)
12:21<hawaj0debian>:) nice :)
12:21<hawaj0debian>ok 1 sec ...compile
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12:22<Gathond>kop: probably makes it easier to get peoples credit card information:)
12:22<djc>kop I suppose that might help if a channel is busy and someone needs intensive walk thru of something
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12:23*fxiny today feels to be a "lucky bastard"
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12:23<djc>but that weighs against the benefit of having many people able to help, as well as others benefit from the answers
12:23<hawaj0debian>ok I've debian core 2.6.18-6A-AMD64.I installed then remove Gnome and NetworkMenager.Now Can't up if* my eth I responde ERROR for eth0.My atuale /etc/network/interfaces I set on static IP
12:24<hawaj0debian>seems to My Ethernet card does't see by core
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12:24<hawaj0debian>I have MCP61 intergreted LAN eth on main board GigaByte
12:24*djc translates that to 'what is the debian-default way of configuring network interfaces, without Gnome and/or NetworkManager'
12:24<djc>which will be something I'll eventually need to know as well ;)
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12:25<hawaj0debian>and lspci see at brige
12:25<cahoot>more probably a missing module
12:25<fxiny>djc: vim ? ;)
12:25<djc>fxiny, the point being, what file to edit.. im not asking, hawaj0debian looks like he needs that help
12:25<hawaj0debian>I have No device error
12:25<djc>habtool, if you do 'ifconfig' does it show eth0 ?
12:25<djc>or any ifs?
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12:26<Kryptik>I've just installed Debian and over Windows and the grub works fine, but when it boots there is no desktop or cmd and the darn text goes too fast to read. Could anyone point me in the direction of a good way to troubleshoot this?
12:26<kop>hawaj0debian : Possibly by installing and removeing packages you have re-detected your network card and caused it to change it's name to eth1 or something. Check /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and see if the mac address and "ethN" name matches what you expect.
12:26<hawaj0debian>ifconfig nothing only "lo"
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12:27<djc>modprobe eth0 ?
12:27<kop>Kryptik : What does it end with?
12:27<client>if i have both tsting and stable repository in my soucres, how do i choose whch will be used?
12:27<djc>kop maybe his X config is boned
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12:28<Kryptik>It's just blank for about 30 seconds and then I get some weird...lined patterns all over one of my monitors.
12:28<djc>yeah, sounds like X is trying and then giving up
12:28<Kryptik>If you mean what does it end with like the last thing it says before the screen goes black and it tries to bring up gnome or whatever, I've got no clue it goes too fast.
12:29<fxiny>Kryptik: monitor not detected ? maybe this can help :
12:29<cahoot>hawaj0debian: use lspci to find out the pciid of your ethernet device
12:29<Kryptik>No it goes black and then I get a lined pattern one of my screens.
12:29<kop>Kryptik : If you hold down control and alt and ,e.g., the f1 key you should get a console. Log in, become root, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
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12:30<Kryptik>like there's something wrong with the video card or something.
12:30<Kryptik>okay..what does that do?
12:30<fxiny>Kryptik: read your xorg log
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12:30<abrotman>chances are that hawaj0debian needs etchnhalf or lenny
12:30<Kryptik>fxiny: I can't read doesn't boot to a cmd OR desktop
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12:30<cahoot>abrotman: agreed
12:30<djc>it switches you to a textscreen, so you can log in. the problem is your graphics setup is hosed
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12:31<kop>Kryptik : It re-configures your xserver. You can then do ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to your graphical interface. Holding down alt and backspace will restart it. If you've reconfigured properly, it will work. If not, try again.
12:31<fxiny>Kryptik: does not boot ? is grub loading ? do you see messages scrolling ? do you get a login promt ?
12:31<koollman>well, I 'solved' my debootstrap problem (exim4 / postfix incompatibility) by not installing postfix at first and adding it later, but it's strange to not be able to exclude exim4 from the install process (excluding all exim4 packages still pulls in exim4)
12:31<kop>abrotman : That sounds right ot me too.
12:32<koollman>is debootstrap very bad at solving dependancies ? :)
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12:32<hawaj0debian>the problem was then after any reboot Gnome get netowrk settings update on next level eth - eth0,1,2 and so on to 34 eth35 settong by DHCP.I try to set static by desktop Gnome but no result then I put info to /etc/interfaces and networking restart - no result - can't see my eth just only stupid Gnome network menager eth31 (after reboot 32) so I remove NetworkMenager and set manualy /etc/interfaces then ifup or if* ...and I have error et
12:33<abrotman>dmesg | grep eth
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12:33<kop>!forcedeth mac
12:33<dpkg>If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". ask me about <z25>; the file is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules in lenny
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12:34<djc>Kryptik, just hold down ctrl and alt, and press F1
12:34<Kryptik>I'll try that. :)
12:34<djc>kop does debian forc^H^H^H^Hencourage use of sudo rather than login as root, even at console?
12:34<djc>if so theres one thing I'll have to adjust :P
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12:35<Ananth123>djc: not forced, you can login as root
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12:35<kop>djc : I don't think so, particularly. I myself find 'su -' to be more secure than sudo, because it requires the root password cracking a user account won't get you root.
12:35<kop>djc : I think debian does not want a gui root.
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12:36<djc>ok.. 'su -
12:36<djc>is my prefernece as well
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12:37<kop>djc: You can log in as root on a console. As you know the audit trail is lost. There are probably knobs to frob that adjust just what is allowed. I've not bothered.
12:37<djc>damn fingers are cold
12:38<enouf>djc: hate that
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12:38<djc>audit not important.. single user machine, no one else lives here
12:38<kop>djc: Get weightlifting gloves. The fingers are cut out and you look like a badass too.
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12:39<djc>i usually su - from within gnometerm
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12:39<djc>stupid question. debian supports lvm?
12:39<kop>djc: Yes, to both.
12:39<kop>djc :)
12:39<djc>does it default to lvm or do you have to pick it?
12:39<fxiny>djc: 30000 and over packages :)
12:40<dkr>djc: not default
12:40<kop>djc: Dunno. I'm on the old stable, where you had to pick it. The installer's changed.
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12:40<djc>ok i'll see i guess
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12:40<djc>probably not today
12:40<djc>tomorrow.. maybe
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12:40<hawaj0debian>dpkg : ok I'm startin clearin How can can he establised diferrent MAC on each eth 0-34 ?! Wow @% , Ok I'm gonna clear leave eth0 then ....1 sec...
12:40<dpkg>You are moron #1, hawaj0debian
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12:41<stew>hawaj0debian: note that dpkg is a bot
12:41<djc>did he say 0 - 34?
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12:41<djc>as in 34, ne, 35 ethernet interfaces?
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12:41<edu>How Can I install Synaptic with CD 1? I don't have internet with my laptop
12:41<hawaj0debian>now I'm clearin eth11
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12:42<themill>!forcedeth mac
12:42<dpkg>If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". ask me about <z25>; the file is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules in lenny
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12:42<fxiny>ahhh the register doubled it , hahah "Ubuntu without the straitjacket" :P
12:43<enouf>stew: FWIW - i finally upgraded rsync, which pulled in also a newer "base-files" pkg - no change in the symlinks
12:43<hawaj0debian>I'm frash so sorry I spend to much time on Atari after intaling windows my stomack can't run so back to beginig so please
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12:43<Kryptik>Okay, when I ctrl+ alt + f1 it just gives that barcode-like pattern all over both screens and then I see the flashing cursor position on top but when I type I can't see any text when I type.
12:43<djc>try ctrl-alt-F2
12:43<enouf>stew: same as prior
12:44<Kryptik>I tried ctrl-alt-f1,2,3,4
12:44<fxiny>enouf: rsync ? i'm fighting with snort , doesn't like ppp0
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12:44<kop>Kryptik : What version of debian did you install?
12:44<djc_>try ctrl-alt-F2
12:44<djc_>and try hitting enter a couple times
12:44<djc_>uhm.. also.. ,maybe check to make sure the monitor plug is connected tightly
12:44<hawaj0debian>ok I cleared
12:44<Kryptik>I did hit enter a lot of times, it moved a orange box up the side of the screen and off of it
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12:45<Kryptik>It's the pc I'm talking to you on right now.
12:45<enouf>fxiny: @@
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12:45<PaperBear>I apologise if this question is in the wrong place, but I dont really knwo where to ask - I have a problem with twinview metamodes where, if I switch metamodes using ctl-alt-+, everything looks right, but when a game switches metamodes automatically (to sit in a single screen), one monitor goes blank (as it should), but the other monitor displays what would be the middle of my desktop if both monitors were on, so I only see half the game...
12:45<PaperBear> can someone point me in the right direction please?
12:45<Kryptik>The monitor is deffinitely on tight.
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12:45<hawaj0debian>so resart?
12:45<Kryptik>but the version was 5, right on the site.
12:45<enouf>fxiny: stop showing up and leaving so fast! (in -ot)
12:45<Kryptik>I used the...
12:45<Kryptik>net installation
12:45<fxiny>enouf: that was an emergency :)
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12:46<Kryptik>5 dvd's just seemed a little excessive.
12:46<enouf>fxiny: oh - ok - i told metalqga to stop PMing you ;-)
12:46*weasel likes mini.iso
12:46<kop>Kryptik : The net install should be fine. It didn't give you any graphic problems while installing, right?
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12:46<Kryptik>I installed once graphically
12:46<Kryptik>and it looked fine
12:46<weasel>all of 8mb.
12:46<dkr>Kryptik: so you were naked?
12:47<AzaTht>ok, packages you though you forgot you maintained starting to migrate to testing....
12:47<dkr>alternate meaning of "graphically", :p
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12:47<djc__>dkr, weirdo
12:47*Kryptik shrugs
12:47<Kryptik>I guess, but yes I installed it once graphically and it looked just fine
12:48<Kryptik>then this happened so I reformatted the hdd and installed it again normally or non-graphically
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12:48<Kryptik>but it didn't help I guess. :S
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12:49<dkr>Kryptik: what video card? ( I vaguely recall a bug inintel i845g driver with console switching that sounds like what you described)
12:49<kop>Kryptik : See But you want the one for the lenny kernel version (which I don't know). Anyhow, there might be a parameter to set in grub.
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12:49<hawaj0debian>dpkg,stew : Ok I cleared /etc/udev/Z25 (there is no 70) ....I restart network same error : No such device Failed to bring up eth0
12:49<dpkg>that's too long, hawaj0debian
12:49<Kryptik>It is...
12:50<Kryptik>nVidia 6800GT
12:50<themill>hawaj0debian: stop talking to dpkg... it will just end up insulting you again
12:50<Kryptik>by bfg
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12:50<hawaj0debian>themil - ok sorry I get'it
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12:51<kop>Kryptik: You could also reboot off the install cd and go into rescue mode. Then there might be a way to tell what kernel parameters the cd used to boot, and you could use those. I'm afraid this leaves a lot of unknowns. Maybe somebody knows more of the details. You can also use the rescue mode to do a lspci and see what the video hardware is, etc.
12:51<djc__>does anyone have any idea what hawaj0debian is talking about?
12:51<Kryptik>It's an AGP card...mayb e that's it?
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12:51<kop>hawaj0debian : You can't just clear the file, you have to follow the forcedeth mac instructions. (If you've that video card.)
12:51<Kryptik>Well I put the machine together 4 or 5 years ago I know the hardware.
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12:51<kop>!tell hawaj0debian -about forcedeth mac
12:52<hawaj0debian>:) yeah :(
12:52<abrotman>djc__: udev enumerates MAC addresses and assigns them new eth# for each new one .. guessing his wacky NIC switches or something silly
12:52<kop>Kryptik : You want to know what the kernel thinks is going on.
12:52<hawaj0debian>I got forcedeth driver and can't establised network
12:52<Kryptik>Yeah, so
12:52<Kryptik>Just pop my cd in and restart and...then what?
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12:53<kop>Kryptik : That's long enough ago it should work. :-P
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12:53<Kryptik>err..what's long enough ago?
12:53<abrotman>well, i'm not explaining it again!
12:53<kop>Kryptik : I forget. Either Fn your way to instructions, or there's a "rescue" choice somewhere in the expert menu.
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12:53<kop>Kryptik : You don't have bleeding edge hardware.
12:54<Kryptik>yes, lol.
12:54<kop>Kryptik : The function keys bring up help at cd boot time.
12:54<Kryptik>Oh oh...okay
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12:55<hawaj0debian>I'got intergrated LAN eth on main board
12:56<hawaj0debian>there is no more eth devices
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12:56<hawaj0debian>I'wanna set my static IP on it
12:56<hawaj0debian>by edit /etc/interfaces
12:56<kop>hawaj0debian : type "/msg dpkg forcedeth mac" into your irc session. Then tell us what part of the instructions you don't understand.
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12:56<hawaj0debian>but there is no result
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13:00<hawaj0debian>kop please I'can get it
13:00<kop>!forcedeth mac
13:00<dpkg>If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". ask me about <z25>; the file is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules in lenny
13:01<kop>hawaj0debian : Those are the instructions. What problem are you having trying to follow them?
13:01<hawaj0debian>I did
13:01<hawaj0debian>i removed all
13:01<hawaj0debian>the is only eth0 nad mac
13:01<kop>!tell hawaj0debian -about paste
13:02<kop>hawaj0debian : Paste your udev rules file somewhere so we can see.
13:02<hawaj0debian>my god - i've no network
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13:02<hawaj0debian>and I'm writing form other machine
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13:02<kop>hawaj0debian : Ok, copy the one line left in the rules file here.
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13:03<ivan_>how to live bg
13:03<hawaj0debian>ok 1 sec
13:03<ivan_>ok 1 sec
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13:04<hawaj0debian>You mean @udev.rules file ?
13:04<hawaj0debian>or z25_persistent-net.rules?
13:04<kop>hawaj0debian : z25
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13:05<cahoot>hawaj0debian: why not end the pain and install lenny?
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13:06<kop>cahoot : Good point. If it's z25 then it must be etch.
13:06<kop>cahoot : The problem is gone in lenny?
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13:07<hawaj0debian>"SUBSYSTEM=="net",DRIVERS=="?*",ATTRS{address}=="00:00:6c:25:*:*", NAME="eth0" - there in * * are symbols
13:07<cahoot>AFAICT all problems are soved in lenny ;)
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13:08<kop>hawaj0debian : The instructions say replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*", you have something slightly different. But what about cahoot's suggestion to run lenny. You'll have to upgrade eventually anyway.
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13:09<hawaj0debian>kop:I spend h to set RAID 1 and I back tu Debian - please :( toomorw I must show in company :) they want buy hardware chaep file menager I told that Linux with RAID1 will be better :) Tomorow They gonna kill me or fire me :) HELP!!
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13:10<hawaj0debian>maybe I can install other drivers like RTL8139
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13:11<kop>hawaj0debian : Well, how about following the instructions exactly as given?
13:11<hawaj0debian>What kind of MAC ad should repalced any form my mind?
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13:11<kop>hawaj0debian : It should read, exactly, without the quotes and with the asterisk "00:00:6c:*"
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13:12<hawaj0debian>my correct MAC on eth0 in Z25 is 00::00:6c:25:8a:73
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13:13<hawaj0debian>should I replace it ?
13:13<hawaj0debian>for whom
13:13<kop>hawaj0debian : If you've a forcedeth then the problem is that the mac changes it's address. So it gets re-detected as a different card.
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13:13<hawaj0debian>that's wat was goin on
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13:13<hawaj0debian>and I removerd fuc...Netowrk Menager form Gnome
13:14<hawaj0debian>to set static ip now there is no device eth
13:14<kop>hawaj0debian : So, you tell it that any one of a number of mac addresses are really the same card by following the instructions and putting that pattern in as the mac address. (Apparently, the problem is fixed in lenny.)
13:14<hawaj0debian>and cant ifup anythig
13:14<kop>hawaj0debian : You are not listening.
13:14<kop>hawaj0debian : If you've a forcedeth then the problem is that the mac changes it's address. So it gets re-detected as a different card.
13:15<hawaj0debian>so can I remove forcedeth
13:15<kop>hawaj0debian : You need a different address for every different card, so your address assignments don't "stick". So, you put that pattern in as the mac address in the z25 rule.
13:16<hawaj0debian>and install other driver to LAN driver?
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13:16<hawaj0debian>my lan driver MCP61 intergrated on main board
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13:16<kop>hawaj0debian : No. Another driver won't drive the card. You tell udev that any mac address matching the pattern is ok.
13:16<hawaj0debian>I have only one card
13:17<hawaj0debian>when I put "lspci -v" mode
13:17<hawaj0debian>a see no Ethernet card
13:17<hawaj0debian>it's detect it as "bridge"
13:18<kop>hawaj0debian : You said that there were many lines in that z25 rule, so it's detecting the card.
13:18<djc__>hawaj0debian, you're looking at the wrong thing
13:18<kop>hawaj0debian : Why can't you fix the z25 rule so that it's right?
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13:18<djc__>i think the problem is language related
13:18<kop>hawaj0debian : The z25 rule you pasted is wrong. You need to fix it.
13:18<kop>djc__ : Clearly.
13:18<hawaj0debian>djc might be right
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13:19<djc__>hawaj0debian, what is your native language?
13:19<hawaj0debian>How Can I fix my z25 rule ?
13:19<djc__>it would probably help if you could find someone who knows debian that also speaks your language
13:19<hawaj0debian>I guess
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13:20<hawaj0debian>any polish guyes here?
13:20<djc__>anyone here speak polish?
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13:20<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
13:20<kop>hawaj0debian : You make the line read: "SUBSYSTEM=="net",DRIVERS=="?*",ATTRS{address}=="00:00:6c*", NAME="eth0"
13:20<djc__>hawaj0debian, there you go.. try the polish debian channel
13:20<hawaj0debian>yeah one sec :0
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13:22<kop>hawaj0debian : Oops. I left off a colon. But it probably does not matter. Like so: "SUBSYSTEM=="net",DRIVERS=="?*",ATTRS{address}=="00:00:6c:*", NAME="eth0"
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13:23<hawaj0debian>Guyes You gonna ^&*(
13:24<hawaj0debian>I've been on in
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13:24<hawaj0debian>and the say sth " We startting need people to run channel " :) and there is nobody Know anybody other channel ?
13:25<hawaj0debian>or server
13:25<hawaj0debian>mabe I will be first man after I :) heh e resolve problem with forcedeth
13:25<kop>hawaj0debian : Did you fix the line?
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13:26<djc__>hawaj0debian, you know how to edit a text file?
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13:26<hawaj0debian>kop please tell me one more time clearer waht should I do in Z25 file ?
13:27<hawaj0debian>Yes I use MC heh :) no Vi
13:27<kop>hawaj0debian: Like so: "SUBSYSTEM=="net",DRIVERS=="?*",ATTRS{address}=="00:00:6c:*", NAME="eth0"
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13:28<djc__>hawaj0debian, before you do that, do this:
13:28<djc__>dmesg | grep -i eth | head -1
13:28<kop>djc__ : This is what he pasted into the channel. I don't know whether he munged it.
13:28<djc__>should be just one line output
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13:30<djc__>xandros, what about boost mobile?
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13:31<steffan>window 1
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13:33<djc__>how can I install using lvm
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13:33<djc__>where is install using lvm
13:33<djc__>!install using lvm
13:33<dpkg>i guess install using lvm is at
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13:34<Astero1D>How can I format an external hard drive? It's NTFS but I could format it to fat
13:34<Astero1D>I was wondering if there is any gnome app out there
13:35<hawaj0debian>djc:forcedeth.c: Reverse Engineeerd nForce ethernet driver.Version 0.56
13:35<djc__>Astero1D, you want to erase whats on it?
13:36<Astero1D>djc__ yes, I am rturning it to store
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13:36<Astero1D>djc__, that's the command?
13:36<djc__>mkfs is the 'format' command
13:36<djc__>of mkfs.<fstype>
13:36<djc__>if you just want to wipe the drive
13:36<Astero1D>so mkfs.vfat /dev/hdb then?
13:36*weasel notes wiping != formating
13:37<djc__>you could always dd if=/dev/zero of=/the drive
13:37<hawaj0debian>guys have any idea how to bring my ethernet to live?
13:37<djc__>hawaj0debian, did you edit that udev file?
13:37<Astero1D>djc__, how do I select the drive to be formated?
13:37<hawaj0debian>I'm in so
13:37<djc__>Astero1D, yeah, that wont be a secure wipe, if you are worried about keeping private data private
13:37<hawaj0debian>what should I edit
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13:38<Astero1D>djc__, I want it to be a secure wipe, so noone can revive the info
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13:38<djc__>then you probably want to dd /dev/zero over it
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13:38<djc__>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdwhatever
13:38<billybigrigger_>anyone here familiar with nagios or zabbix?
13:39<djc__>make *SURE* you use the right /dev/whatever
13:39<Astero1D>djc__, what would the complete command with options look like?
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13:39<djc__>if you use the wrng one you could wipe your in-use drive
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13:39<hawaj0debian>I see #PCI device 0x10de:0x03ef (forcedeth)
13:39<hawaj0debian>then next line
13:39<hawaj0debian>SUBSYSTEM.......and soon
13:39<Astero1D>mkfs.vfat no command found
13:40<djc__>ok, where you see 0x10de:0x03ef
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13:40<djc__>replace that with 0x10de:*
13:40<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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13:40<djc__>Astero1D, mkfs isnt a secure wipe
13:40<djc__>if you want a secure wipe use dd
13:40<hawaj0debian>in comment # PCi............ on the top
13:40<djc__>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdwhatever
13:40<djc__>hawaj0debian, are you familiar with pastebin?
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13:40<djc__>hawaj0debian, go to, and copy/paste the entire content of that file there. it will give you a url
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13:41<djc__>copy that url here to the irc channel
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13:41<bozz>Astero1D, mkfs.vfat is part of dosfstools package
13:41<Astero1D>djc__, does the drive have to be mounted when I issue the d command?
13:41<hawaj0debian>pastebin :( no
13:41<djc__>Astero1D, you definately do NOT want it mounted
13:41<djc__>but again, make absolutely sure you've got the right drive
13:41<bozz>Astero1D, try and you ll see what happens =)
13:42<hawaj0debian>djc - I have no netowrk !!!
13:42<djc__>if you dont, dd will happily wipe out your live system
13:42<hawaj0debian>I talkig from other machine
13:42<djc__>hawaj0debian, then how are you... ok you have two pc's
13:42<Astero1D>ok so I will unmount /dev/hdb and then issue "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb" is this right?
13:42<djc__>ya.. depending on the size, it might take some time
13:42<djc__>it might now hurt to add,
13:42<bozz>djc__, why is mkfs not "secure" ?
13:43<hawaj0debian>YES YES YES
13:43<djc__>bozz, becuase it doesnt overwrite anything on the drive
13:43<hawaj0debian>no networ
13:43<djc__>bozz, it just empties the fs
13:43<gpb>dd nowadays is not hurt by wrong bs, djc_
13:43<Astero1D>djc__, ok so I will unmount /dev/hdb and then issue "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb" is this right?
13:43<hawaj0debian>I need up my eht
13:43<gpb>at least at resonably fast hdds
13:43<djc__>Astero1D, it might not hurt, to add bs=1024
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13:43<djc__>well not so mught 'right', as 'larger'
13:43<gpb>if you want hdb cleared, yes
13:43<Astero1D>djc__, what that for?
13:43<bozz>even if changes filesystem? from ntfs to vfat, i m not sure there s risk
13:43<hawaj0debian>I can rewriting all date form z25
13:43<djc__>depends on how private the info on there is, and who might be trying to get at it
13:44<gpb>it writes in Blocks of 1kB then
13:44<djc__>dd is a fast way to wipe the drive
13:44<gpb>can be faster
13:44<gpb>can bbe slower
13:44<christoph>any suggestions for an useable Debian archive mirror in germany? {ftp,ftp2} are both really leaky today
13:44<gpb>probably doesn't matter
13:44<bozz>sure it is
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13:44<hawaj0debian>mabye I can install RTL or other driver?
13:45<gpb>according to there are only two "official" mirrors
13:45<djc__>again, it depends on what was on there, who might be looking for it, and what the consequences to you of them getting it are
13:45<goodxandros>man this synaptic wont change the desktop to gnome or kde lol
13:45<gpb>I'd try a random one then
13:45<djc__>hawaj0debian, you'd have to use a different nic
13:45<goodxandros>this linux is weid
13:45<gpb>like Hong Kong or so which probably doesn't have much traffic at this time
13:45<djc__>a specific NIC card needs a specific driver
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13:46<djc__>even if you have on onboard the mainboard, you could still add a PCI nic, if you have one
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13:47<djc__>bozz, if its classified info, and you dont want the enemy to get it, even dd might not be good enough
13:47<christoph>gpb, let's see what does then
13:47<hawaj0debian>ok maby I'm gonna find djc__ or kop can you help with correct install I can plug in right now and disable eth on main bord in BIOS
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13:47<fxiny>christoph: i always use because is fast and reliable . tell your isp off
13:47<gpb>a RTL8139 one should have the driver, right?
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13:48<djc__>habtool, if you get a different nic it will probably 'just work'
13:48<djc__>hawaj0debian, that is
13:48<christoph>fxiny, it was all the time but today it started to time out
13:48<fxiny>not here , i'm in it and it works very well
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13:49<adama>so now unstable = squeeze ?
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13:49<gpb>so, testing=squeeze
13:49<djc__>network card
13:49<christoph>fxiny, maybee, it was unusable around noon
13:49<djc__>nic = network card
13:49<gpb>unstable=sid, as always
13:49<adama>hmm, I have "unstable" in my sources list, and also "lenny"
13:49<fxiny>oh btw : volatile switched to lenny flawlessy , i noticed it
13:49<hawaj0debian>ok I can test it
13:50<hawaj0debian>I have in box older card
13:50<adama>I will switch to testing
13:50<hawaj0debian>but it is UP after Power on
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13:50<hawaj0debian>debian will find new nic ?
13:50<fxiny>while dmm had some problems , for some minutes went to "sarge" mode
13:51<fxiny>but aptitude and apt detected it !
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13:52<fxiny>nice message like :"expected etch found sarge"
13:53<fxiny>so no porbs
13:53<adama>hmmm, it appears I have syntax-highlighting specific for sources.list in vim, and it's not recognizing "squeeze"
13:53<adama>need to update
13:53<hawaj0debian>How about lenny - when I done reinstal job 100% my card will be working with static IP ?
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13:54<hawaj0debian>I'dont wanna lose RAID job
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13:54<hawaj0debian>than is seems i would do partitioning job
13:55<hawaj0debian>how to instal lenny core without new prtitionig
13:57<adama>why not just upgrade your existing install?
13:57<fxiny>adama: i think vim is not syntatically squeeze compatible : i'd switch to emacs if i were you :P
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14:00<hawaj0debian>I found some old nic how to find label or what is core name on it ?
14:02<hawaj0debian>I see PULSE H1012 9934 Philippines
14:02<hawaj0debian>and GD825559
14:03<hawaj0debian>It is will run on RTL drivers?
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14:04<hawaj0debian>399 users of chat - is anybody who can help from plug eth card to ifup my network on debian?
14:04<adama>if it's old, it should just work. don't know what driver
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14:05<hawaj0debian>but It is menage with file transfer in company 20 computers
14:05<adama>say again?
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14:06<Ananth123>hawaj0debian: in most cases, debian should autodetect the card
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14:08<djc__>hawaj0debian, just shut the machine down, put the new nic in (if you want you can disable the onboard one in the bios), then boot back up
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14:08<djc__>the kernel will boot up and should automatically figure out what driver it needs to use
14:09<djc__>ok im booting down. back later.. maybe
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14:09<hawaj0debian>djs ths so much
14:09<hawaj0debian>be back 5 min
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14:10<hawaj0debian>one more Q
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14:10<hawaj0debian>this VIA was workinkg on Gnome why cant working now?
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14:13<Ananth123>your via graphiccard ?
14:13<Odinux>I need help
14:13<Odinux>I have a bug after the installation of Debian Lenny with GRUB.
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14:14<Odinux>anyone can help me?
14:15<amphi>!tell Odinux -about ask
14:15<billybigrigger_>can anyone suggest a good system monitoring app? i just want to monitor my home server over http
14:15<Odinux>I have some picture for you to help to explain the bug
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14:17<Odinux>that's just after the installation of debian lenny
14:17<amphi>Odinux: I can't look now, webkit's gone mental ;)
14:18<Odinux>the other picture is take when I mount my partition with partedmagic
14:18<robertk>billybigrigger: a friend of mine is using:
14:19<cahoot>Odinux: it's a 160x120 pixel picture
14:19<Odinux>ya 2 sec
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14:20<Odinux>that just happen after the reboot of my fresh new installation of debian lenny.
14:21<Odinux>I don't know what to do with that.
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14:21<MoDaX>Odinux: have you chose to install grub to mbr?
14:22<hawaj0debian>Hello need some help with ethernet network nic
14:22<Odinux>I have installed it with the bussinesscard cd iso
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14:22<hawaj0debian>I found in BIOS "On-chip MAC Lan - AUTO"
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14:22<hawaj0debian>should I leave it on Auto or Disable
14:22<cahoot>try disable
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14:23<adama>yeah if you are wanting to use that old card you were talking about
14:23<cahoot>(if you have another nic in place)
14:23<hawaj0debian>I had forcedeth drivers problem - maby that way AUTO
14:23<hawaj0debian>adama: I don't now what to do
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14:24<hawaj0debian>I'm in BIOS to disable LAN mainboard card
14:24<hawaj0debian>but I figure out that there is otpion On-chip MAC - AUTO maby thats way had problems with forcedeh
14:24<christoph>Hi! Anyone an Idea what killed automount as in{1,2}.png ?
14:24<adama>oh, no I doubt it
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14:25<billybigrigger>robertk, thanks
14:25<robertk>billybigrigger, you are welcome
14:25<MoDaX>Odinux: reinstall grub
14:25<Odinux>how to?
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14:26<adama>Odinux: in your live boot there, open a terminal and type grub
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14:26<Odinux>can I do this with the bussiness cd in the section rescue?
14:26<hawaj0debian>ok - gonna Disable and reboot with plug other older ethernet card
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14:28<adama>Odinux: maybe?
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14:28<nathan_>some time come to robolox
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14:29<adama>nathan_: stop
14:29<nathan_>me why
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14:29<coiax1>Is ext4 worth switching to?
14:29<nathan_>im just new here
14:29<hawaj0debian>adma: ok i reboot with new nic and ifconfig does't see any nic
14:30<adama>nathan_: if you have a question about Debian, ask it
14:30<nathan_>it happind to me
14:30<hawaj0debian>eth0:...........No such device
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14:30<adama>hawaj0debian try ifconfig -a? dmesg|less, and search for eth?
14:30<nathan_>wen you come on roblox il pwn you
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14:32<hawaj0debian>adama : I found it sth on eth2
14:32<nathan_>come to roblox!!!!
14:32<adama>ok... does it work then on eth2?
14:32<hawaj0debian>ifconfig -a - found eth2
14:33<adama>!ops nathan_ is an idiot
14:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adama complains about: nathan_ is an idiot
14:33<nathan_>is any one listening to me
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14:33<nathan_>i can pwn you!
14:33-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
14:33<stew>nathan_: please keep it on-topic
14:33-!-mode/#debian [+q nathan_!*@*] by weasel
14:33<@weasel>sure you can.
14:34<stew>nathan_: do you have anything at all about debian?
14:34<@weasel>game's over. everybody go do something useful, like fix a bug in squeez
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14:35<cahoot>hawaj0debian: so what devices are eth0 and eth1 in z25-persistent....
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14:37<honschu>What is the official irc-channel? this or at freenode?
14:37<hawaj0debian>cahoot: in Z25 I have - 3 lines - for eth0,eth1,eth2 (eth0,1- forcedeth) 3 line e100
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14:38<adama>honschu: this.
14:38<avu>honschu, not that it matters, but points here
14:38<avu>honschu, so this would be considered more 'official'
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14:39<Jpdota>although that one has about 2x the number of users :P
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14:39<hawaj0debian>shoud i change /etc/intrafaces on eth2 (e100) ?
14:39<cahoot>hawaj0debian: I'd disregard eth0 and eth1 for the time being and config eth2 in interfaces
14:40<hawaj0debian>so can I celar z25 and leave eth2 (e100) line
14:40<hawaj0debian>and ifup eth2 ?
14:41<weasel>hawaj0debian: how many interfaces do you have?
14:41<cahoot>hawaj0debian: leave z25 since it'll be recreated anyway at reboot
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14:41<hawaj0debian>I disable nic on mainboard in BIOS , plug older PCI nic to slot and Power On computer
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14:42<cahoot>(if you don't blacklist forcedeth I guess)
14:42<weasel>hawaj0debian: then why not remove z45_persistent-net-generator.rules and z20_persistent.rules and stick to using eth0.
14:42<Lemonzest>how stable is debian-multmedia?
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14:43<cahoot>weasel: he disabled the onboard and udev still makes use of forcedeth
14:43<hawaj0debian>weasel: You meen U know the way How can i being may LAn mainboard card and can set up ?
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14:43<weasel>cahoot: he said he had only one interface.
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14:44<weasel>did he lie?
14:44<cahoot>one onboard and now also a pci nic
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14:44<hawaj0debian>i had LAN maiboard that way a habe older lines in Z25
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14:45<hawaj0debian>now I have eth2 on e100 driver
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14:45<hawaj0debian>and eth0,1 on forcedeth
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14:49<f3rN>i'm in
14:49<hawaj0debian>Ok.I modify /etc/interfaces from eth0 on eth2 and ifup :) and Reconfiguration network intrafaces ...done!!!!!!!
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14:50<hawaj0debian>but there is no WAN
14:50<hawaj0debian>can't ping any interent address
14:50<hawaj0debian>resolve ?
14:50<cahoot>dhclient eth2?
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14:50<adama>hawaj0debian: add routes?
14:50<Ananth123>what does ifconfig show ?
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14:51<hawaj0debian>I establish ip on eth2
14:51<hawaj0debian>can ping my LAN machines other comupters
14:52<stuckey>Is it normal to have fonts display in epiphay (before adjusting the font size) that are too small to be read? (I'm estimating they're probably 4pt.)
14:52<hawaj0debian>but can't internet maby DNS problem resolve ?
14:52<stuckey>I'm going to take a screen shot of this and post it....
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14:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:54<hawaj0debian>adama: add rotes ?
14:54<stuckey>Here's how the fonts look in epiphany for me:
14:54<stuckey>Could someone please tell me if that's normal?
14:54<goodxandros>Sysinfo for 'asus-1145388021': Linux running KDE 3.4.2, CPU: Intel(R)AtomCPUN270@1.60GHz at 1600 MHz (3195 bogomips), , RAM: 593/1004MB, 102 proc's, 1.41h up
14:54<hawaj0debian>Ok I get't I modify resolve.conf on my correct dns srv
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14:55<adama>hawaj0debian: you should have a default route for general traffic, with a gateway on your LAN. should be in the output of "route -n"
14:55<hawaj0debian>seems to be done !
14:55<adama>also resolv.conf :)
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14:55<Astero1D>I have an external hard drive where I have sensitive data. I need to erase/format this external hard drive in a way that noone will be able to retrieve this data in future. What command/utility do I need to use?
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14:56<cahoot>hawaj0debian: you have some work to do unless you want the same problem at next reboot
14:56<hawaj0debian>adama: ok i did resolve.conf but im wonderig what will be after reboot
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14:56<adama>Astero1D: a power drill
14:56<f3rN>somebody know where i could talk about printer drivers?
14:56<hawaj0debian>will be ifup etc autmaticly?
14:56<adama>hawaj0debian: it will not change unless it's overwritten by DHCP
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14:56<Astero1D>adama, is that an actual program or just a joke/\
14:56<Astero1D> :)
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14:57<adama>hawaj0debian: it depends on your interfaces file (auto eth2)
14:57<cahoot>Astero1D: shred?
14:57<adama>Astero1D: joke... try shred, or dd
14:57<goodxandros>i used the fstab to format my external hd to linux
14:57<gpb>Astero1D, just one round with dd if=/dev/zero does suffice
14:57<hawaj0debian>adma : one sec i'll rewrite You my interfaces file
14:57<cahoot>Astero1D: or aptitude show wipe
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14:57<goodxandros>now it only can be seen on linux os
14:58<debacle>hi all. i'm on lenny and i'm trying to install libgtk2.0-dev. apt tel me the package does not exist. Suggestions ?
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14:58<adama>goodxandros: are you using windows? shame
14:58<goodxandros>im not
14:58<Astero1D>gpb, 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb' <- is this syntax correct?
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14:58<adama>what OS cannot see the drive?
14:58<goodxandros>Sysinfo for 'asus-1145388021': Linux running KDE 3.4.2, CPU: Intel(R)AtomCPUN270@1.60GHz at 1600 MHz (3195 bogomips), , RAM: 593/1004MB, 103 proc's, 1.45h up
14:58<Astero1D>It's an NTFS formated hard drive
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14:59<goodxandros>i canged iit from ntfs to linux format in the fstab
14:59<blarson>Astero1D: Depends on how parinoid you are. I think 5 passes writing different data, then smashing it into tiny peices and incenerating is what is used on sensitive ones.
14:59<adama>Astero1D: after that command it will be an unformatted drive
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14:59<adama>goodxandros: ohhh I see
14:59<openIT>is it possible to speak to debian devs here?
14:59<goodxandros>mine works ok
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15:00<adama>goodxandros: changing fstab will not change the drive
15:00<Hydroxide>openIT: there are some debian developers here, but it's not any sort of official contact method.
15:00<blarson>openIT: yes, sometimes.
15:00<Astero1D>blarson, smashing is not an option, I'm returning it to the store
15:00<goodxandros> messed up a little thoe
15:00<goodxandros>cant use it as a download dir
15:00<openIT>i just wanted to say that the program "wxmaxima" is getting really old in debian, even in sid
15:01<goodxandros>but i can copy to it and the files work on it
15:01<hawaj0debian>adama: my interfaces goes:auto lo,iface li inet loopback,allow-hotplug eth2,auto eth2,ifface eth2 inet static, adrress 192.168....,netmask.....,gateway......
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15:01<hawaj0debian>I wanna keep same static IP all the time after rebootr
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15:02<debacle>can anyone help please ?
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15:02<adama>hawaj0debian: auto eth2 means it will start if theres a cable plugged in, static means /etc/resolv.conf will not be overwritten, and will keep that address. You're good to go, reboot to confirm though
15:03<hawaj0debian>ok gonna reboot to chack
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15:05<gpb>blarson: there was an artilce in /. recently that says after scanning with magnet tunnel microscope that once is enough
15:05<gpb>sorry for taking so long - had something in the oven
15:05<gpb>and yes, Astero1D that's the command
15:06<Astero1D>is the hard drive /dev/sda and sdb or hda and hdb?
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15:07<Astero1D>goodxandros, thanks
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15:07<goodxandros>sdb1 might be the external thoe
15:07<Odinux>I have a problemsGRUB1.5 starting...
15:07<Odinux>ERROR 15
15:08<Odinux>just after the installation of Debian Lenny
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15:08<Astero1D>what should I set bs= to? in dd command?
15:08<goodxandros>linux i think
15:08<goodxandros>reformat it
15:09<goodxandros>to linux
15:09<Odinux>I have try reinstall grub but the problems still here
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15:09<hocine21>hello body !
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15:10<Odinux>Hello, Debian Lenny, Error Grub1.5 -> ERROR 15, what can I do with that?
15:10<Astero1D>gpb, do I need to set bs= parameter to anything?
15:10<randu>Hi, I got a quick question.. Which game/video card is th best fot debian lenny?
15:10<gpb>you may, but it's not necessary
15:10<dr|z3d>hocine21: It's everybody, or everyone. Not body.
15:10<billybigrigger>how come i cant find sun-java6-jre in apt? but shows it in lenny
15:11<goodxandros>heh i dont have grub any more i did a while bac with ubuntu and xp installed
15:11<gpb>perhaps it's in non-free?
15:11<Astero1D>gpb, how long should I expect to pass if the hard drive is 150 gb?
15:11<dr|z3d>randu: Some nvidia variant, probably.
15:11<billybigrigger>how do i enable non-free?
15:11<goodxandros>like 5 min
15:11<billybigrigger>or can i just download the .deb from
15:11<gpb>let it run for a while, then go to another command line and issue "killall -SIGUSR1 dd"
15:11<goodxandros>i have a 250 i did it with
15:12<plugwash>is there any way to find all files with a particular owner or group?
15:12<gpb>go to first command line, see what's written there
15:12<goodxandros>was only like 5 min
15:12<randu>dr|z3d, do you if nvidia video cards have drive problems on debian?
15:12<Astero1D>I love linux, never going back to windows again. learned more in 5 days then 10 years with windows
15:12<gpb>plugwash: man find
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15:12<goodxandros>hahaha as it should be
15:12<goodxandros>me too
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15:13<Odinux>I need help please
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15:13<gpb>!dpkg tell Odinux -about help
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15:14<cheal>!tell debacle about bat
15:14<goodxandros>brb Astero1D
15:15<Jpdota>Is anyone familiar with setting up getmail (particularly with gmail)? I'm using it with a Maildir mailbox
15:15<cheal>!tell billybigrigger about non-free
15:15<randu>do you guys know if nvidia game card have driver problems on lenny while launching a game
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15:16<Odinux>I have a grub error stage 1.5 -> Error 15, Who can help me with that?
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15:17<cheal>randu: there are several X drivers for NVIDIA chipsets
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15:17<Odinux>Just after the installation of Debian Lenny at the first reboot, I have the GRUB error 15 and I cannot do anything but CTRL+ALT+DEL
15:18<Odinux>I have try to reinstall grub in the hd0
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15:18<Odinux>with the rescue mode
15:18<Odinux>but nothing the same error occurs
15:18<billybigrigger>how do i enable java in iceweasel?
15:19<hawaj0debian>THX for anybody Who help me.I have 2.6.18-6 debian core and GigaByte MainBoard with integrated vIA LAN nic ethernet card.When I start to mod my connection to static IP horror start on.Forcedeth driver goes crazy we was try sth to ifup but thera was no result.I plug older nic 100th and disable on-board LAN and all ifup . If is anbody who can help to back me on Onboard LAN and know how to set it will be fine - let me know on rafal1969@op.
15:19<goodxandros>now there a new question
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15:19<Astero1D>can someone type my name? I'm testing xchat settings
15:20<Astero1D>again please
15:20<Astero1D>hmm, noo beep, I set it to beep on highlighted message but... not working
15:21<gpb>Astero1D Astero1D,
15:21<gpb>Odinux: is your menu.list correct?
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15:21<gpb>please post it with pastebin
15:21<gpb>!dpkg pastebin
15:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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15:22<meshuggah>hi there
15:22<cheal>!tell billybigrigger about install java
15:22<gpb>oh, and the outputs of fdisk -l please, too
15:22<Astero1D>how do i set the default sound device? I think there are many here on my system and applications are using wrong by default
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15:23<Jpdota>Astero1D: use System --> Preferences --> Sound
15:23<Jpdota>Astero1D: just test different devices til you find the right one
15:23<meshuggah>i know it is a little newbie-like question, but how do i mount permanently will full user access(read/write) my 2 other partition(1 NTFS, 1 ext3)
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15:23<goodxandros>idk man
15:23<Jpdota>meshuggah: first you need ntfs-3g installed
15:23<Astero1D>Jpdota, its set to ALSA
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15:24<goodxandros>im lucky igot sound
15:24<randu>ok which nvidia game cards are good for lenny
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15:24<Jpdota>Astero1D: which one? there should be quite a few options
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15:24<Astero1D>Jpdota, I will post a screenshot
15:25<Jpdota>meshuggah: then you need to edit your /etc/fstab you fan find exact instructions in man fstab
15:25<meshuggah>jpdota : what is fuse^
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15:27<Jpdota>meshuggah: for example, i have this /dev/sda8 /home/dignan/Music ntfs-3g rw,user,users,auto,uid=1000 0 0
15:27<goodxandros>sorry i wasnt morehelpful Astero1D im in the middle of the road linux user myself
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15:28<Jpdota>meshuggah: which mounts /dev/sda8 to /home/dignan/Music with the settings following ntfs-3g and so that it isn't checked or dumped
15:28<Astero1D>goodxandros, np, thanks man
15:28<goodxandros>not up to op status yet
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15:28<amphi>Astero1D: alsa is what you should be using; you may want to modprobe snd_pcm_oss if you use legacy stuff that wants /dev/dsp
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15:28<meshuggah>jpdota : do i really need to instal ntfs-3g cause i succeeded to mount, i can see them with a super-user terminal window, but i know it will reset when i reboot and that i did it the bad way
15:28<meshuggah>i will check it
15:28<DaBonBon>i am using the install guide to install my system using pen drive. i have put the kde-CD1.iso on the pen drive. yet, the gtk installer can't find it. it searches only the hard disk drive for the ISO. what do i do?
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15:29<Jpdota>meshuggah: the best way to use ntfs in linux is ntfs-3g, there may be other ways, but i don't know about them
15:29<Astero1D>how do I take a screenshot in gnome?
15:29<chealer>Jpdota: all those supported by version 173.14 or 96xx should be about equally good, barring performance differences.
15:29<Astero1D>my screenshot button does not do anything
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15:29<Jpdota>chealer: ? i didn't ask the question =)
15:29<Astero1D>amphi, I ran that command and it didnt output anything
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15:30<chealer>Jpdota: sorry
15:30<chealer>randu: all those supported by version 173.14 or 96xx should be about equally good, barring performance differences.
15:30<Jpdota>chealer: that was randu
15:30<amphi>Astero1D: rejoice - that means it worked
15:30<meshuggah>jpdota : i only did : mount /dev/hdb5 /mnt/other (old debian [partition) and mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/mp3 (old ntfs partition)
15:30<amphi>Astero1D: does anything produce sound?
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15:30<Astero1D>oh crap, I used dd command and had sdb mounted at that time
15:31<Astero1D>should it be mounted or just connected?
15:31<gpb>just connected
15:31<gpb>but doesn't matter now...
15:31<gpb>hmm, may matetr
15:31<Astero1D>gpb, did I mess up anything?
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15:31<gpb>*if* it writes something back
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15:31<Astero1D>should I quit the operation?
15:32<Astero1D>it's been running for a while now
15:32<goodxandros>are you done
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15:32<Astero1D>goodxandros, no, I had it mounted, forgot to unmount
15:32<goodxandros>i would mess with it
15:32<Jpdota>meshuggah: perhaps ntfs-3g is already installed, i don't know if it's a default item
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15:32<goodxandros>oic lol
15:32<chealer>DaBonBon: FWIW, it may be a bit more simple to use the default install (without GTK)
15:32<randu>chealer, do you know if it has driver problems cause i had radeon and it has terrible drivers
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15:33<chealer>randu: there are problems, yes
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15:33<DaBonBon>chealer: but what difference does it make? it can't find the iso that's on the pen drive
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15:33<randu>chealer, thank you
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15:34<chealer>DaBonBon: well, for one thing I already did what you're trying to do with the default interface :) other people may be able to help you with the GTK interface too. it *should* work
15:34<Astero1D>gpb, should I stop the operation? then unmount dist and restart?
15:34<randu>Astero1D, eseigi 9600 da 173.14 mushaobs nvidiaze
15:34<meshuggah>jpdota : i t wasnt installed, but now i ve installedi t
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15:34<DaBonBon>chealer: ok, then i'm replacing the initrd and vmlinuz with the non-gtk ones :) thanks
15:34<randu>Astero1D, driverebs kide ar akvs problemebi
15:34<gpb>hmmm, how far is it, Astero1D
15:35<Astero1D>gpb, dont know
15:35<Astero1D>does not show status just hanging there
15:35<Jpdota>meshuggah: alright, well yes, to make something mount every boot you need it in the /etc/fstab file
15:35<gpb>shouldn't matter, but if you really want to be sure....
15:35<DaBonBon>chealer: one more thing - the release notes mention some bootloader problem when installing using pen drive. did you experience it? is it just a matter of editing the
15:35<gpb>you get status if you send it a SIGUSR1
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15:35<Astero1D>gpb, how do i do that?
15:35<gpb>go to another console and issue "killall -SIGUSR1 dd"
15:35<meshuggah>jpdota : ok thank for your help:)
15:35<gpb>then go back to it
15:36<Jpdota>meshuggah: not a problem :)
15:36<goodxandros>thats good to know gpb
15:36<Astero1D>gpb, 9331888640 bytes (9.3 GB) copied, 1523.32 s, 6.1 MB/s
15:36<gpb>hey, that's mentioned in the manpage :)
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15:37<gpb>then I'd do it
15:37<gpb>only 6 MB/s? USB?
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15:37<Astero1D>no 150 gig hard drive external
15:37<Astero1D>ctrl + C then?
15:37<goodxandros>how much ram does your putter have
15:37<chealer>DaBonBon: could you point me to the section that discusses this?
15:38<goodxandros>ram is key in linux
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15:38<Astero1D>4 gigs, goodxandros
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15:38<Astero1D>gpb, ran ctrl +C, then dd command again
15:38<goodxandros>wow slow format for that
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15:39<DaBonBon>chealer: still no dice, even the text installer can't find the ISO
15:39<gpb>try some bs=64k or so then
15:39<DaBonBon>chealer: where did you place the ISO? in the root of the pen drive right?
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15:39<Astero1D>gpb, shouldnt I let it run now for a while?
15:39<Astero1D>should anything be displayed?
15:39<Astero1D>it's just a blinking cursor on next line
15:39<meshuggah>jpdota : do i type default or auto^
15:39<gpb>no, dd doesn't display anything
15:40<gpb>only when pushed with the SIGUSR1 signal
15:40<DaBonBon>chealer: here, the official install guide -
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15:40<Astero1D>gpb, I should wait now then right?
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15:40<Astero1D>what does bs=64k do?
15:40<Astero1D>will it NOT erase anythign smaller than 64k?
15:40<gpb>it tries to write in 64kByte blocks
15:40<meshuggah>jpdota lik e: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/mp3 ntfs defaults 0 0
15:41<Jpdota>meshuggah: defaults includes auto
15:41<gpb>may be faster, may be not
15:41<Astero1D>cos' I ahd some passwords in plain text
15:41<Jpdota>meshuggah: that should do what you want it to do
15:41<meshuggah>jpdotas : ok i wasnt sure :)
15:41<Jpdota>meshuggah: but put ntfs-3g
15:41<meshuggah>ha okyes
15:41<gpb>ntfs only has read-only
15:41<Astero1D>I have ntfs-3g installed
15:41<goodxandros>id save thayt
15:41<Jpdota>gpb: the default ntfs driver does, correct?
15:42<chealer>DaBonBon: you mean the warning in 4.3.3. Booting the USB stick ?
15:42<meshuggah>thank for your help
15:42<gpb>default ntfs is read-only, IIRC
15:42<Jpdota>gpb: that's probably how he mounted it originally, but for rw you need ntfs-3g
15:42<gpb>ntfs-3g is read-write
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15:42<gpb>and worked for me so far flawlessly
15:42<Jpdota>gpb: yeah, same :)
15:42<DaBonBon>chealer: no, the boot problem i was telling you about is mentioned in the release notes
15:42<DaBonBon>chealer: where did you place the iso? on the root of the pen drive?
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15:43<meshuggah>now i need to reboot?
15:43<chealer>DaBonBon: but where in the release notes?
15:43<gpb>you can mount manually
15:43<gpb>but additionally it will auto-mount on next reboot
15:43<Jpdota>meshuggah: well if you want to be sure everything is how you want it :)
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15:43<Jpdota>meshuggah: but we'll still be here next time you reboot ;)
15:43<meshuggah>i will reboot anyway, i have an error when booting, i want to remember what is it and remove it
15:44<meshuggah>ok brb
15:44<gpb>maybe a black hole summons us all?
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15:44<gpb>ok, his problem won't matter then
15:44<Jpdota>gpb :) true
15:45<DaBonBon>chealer: i can't find it now. but if your system is installed, why are you concerned about that?
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15:45<Astero1D>gpb, is "killall -SIGUSR1 dd" command for testing what's up or will it kill the dd process?
15:45<chealer>DaBonBon: no problem. I just wanted to answer your question and maybe learn about the problem.
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15:45<Astero1D>gpb, in ither words I wanted to know "how much is left"
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15:47<meshuggah>it works fine now
15:47<DaBonBon>chealer: ok, can you please help me with this unable to find iso problem?
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15:48<meshuggah>the error is something about MTA, exim(exim4 i think) that it is non-zero size and probably broken i think it is about mail SSH or something
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15:48<chealer>DaBonBon: yes. yes, on the root
15:48<meshuggah>when i upgraded to lenny it asked me to reboot, i didnt :)
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15:48<DaBonBon>chealer: and which CD iso had you used?
15:48<adama> I did a dist-upgrade and it removed some libs, then I rebooted to install the DVD-RW. Any idea what I'm missing?
15:48<goodxandros>ok brb
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15:48<chealer>DaBonBon: debian-Lenny-DI-rc2-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
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15:49<meshuggah>can i see a log file for the booting^
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15:49<DaBonBon>chealer: and the installer just found it, automatically?
15:49<adama>meshuggah: dmesg|less
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15:49<chealer>DaBonBon: yes. d-i tells you it can't find an iso?
15:50<Jpdota>Hey, does anyone know how I can get new-mail notifications on my desktop? ie: i'm using getmail, exim4, and mutt to get, send, and manage my mail, is there a way that i can have some sort message pop up when getmail finds new mail?
15:50<bozz>does aterm support utf8? if not, what vterm does please?
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15:51<DaBonBon>chealer: yes, it can't find the iso, and offers to do an intensive hard disk scan to find it
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15:51<DaBonBon>even after that it can't find
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15:51<chealer>DaBonBon: did you check the logs?
15:51<DaBonBon>the iso is correct, it's md5sum matches
15:51<christoph>bozz, rxvt-uncode obviously supports utf8, no idea about aterm though
15:51<meshuggah>adama : i type that^
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15:51<DaBonBon>chealer: umm no, do you mean the logs on vt1?
15:52<christoph>bozz, aterm seems to not support unicode
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15:52<chealer>DaBonBon: tty1 is the initial one. they may be on tty4 or you can look at them via tty2
15:52<bozz>thanks christoph, i'll have a look
15:52<gpb>Astero1D, it just shows how far it is
15:53<adama>meshuggah: yes?
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15:53<gpb>if you have a 150GB disk and 6MB/s you can calc yourself how long it takes
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15:53<Astero1D>gpb, it wont actually kill it right?
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15:53<DaBonBon>chealer: it is stalling on some other isos in my hard disk. it says not a debian iso for each one of them
15:54<gpb>except if you forget the -SIGUSR or issue -9 or -SIGKILL or something like that
15:54<meshuggah>i cant find the error with dmesg|less
15:54<gpb>meshuggah, and with cat /var/log/messages ?
15:54<chealer>DaBonBon: what do you mean, stalling as in taking a long time or taking an infinite time?
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15:55<DaBonBon>chealer: no, it just said that in the vt4 logs "not a debian iso" for each one of them, on /dev/hda5
15:55<DaBonBon>but it's not even trying to search the pen drive
15:55<chealer>DaBonBon: so it doesn't look for isos on your pendrive?
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15:56<chealer>DaBonBon: and you don't see anything about trying to mount the pen drive?
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15:56<DaBonBon>i think it's erroring out because there is an iso with spaces in its name
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15:57<meshuggah>adaman : i still cant find it
15:57<Astero1D>gpb, it's a lot lot faster with bs parameter. Are you sure it will erase everythign and not ommit files less than 64kb because I set bs to bs=64k?
15:57<DaBonBon>well i am rebooting and renaming the iso with spaces.. but this is really foolish :-s
15:57<gpb>yes, I'm sure
15:57<chealer>DaBonBon: strange. I can always retry it if that doesn't help you. I'll be back in about 10 minutes
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15:58<Astero1D>gpb, thanks
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15:58<gpb>bs= means "write 64jkB of input data at the same time"
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15:59<gpb>you may even use ibs and obs for input- and output-Blocksize :)
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15:59<gpb>but that was only necessay for tape devices in ancient times
15:59<gpb>just after the fall of Rome
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16:01<DaBonBon>chealer: i removed spaces from names of all ISOs. still no luck
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16:02<DaBonBon>it's just not trying to access the pen drive
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16:04<DaBonBon>chealer: umm any ideas for me, what do i do?
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16:05<djc>ok, ive got a new drive, fresh install of 5.0
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16:05<djc>ive got an old drive connected via usb, it was fedora, it has lvm
16:05<meshuggah>exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog on ether.Void has non-zero size, mail system might be broken
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16:06<djc>any suggestions how I can mount the volumes from the usb drive?
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16:06<djc>I can see them in system-config-lvm
16:06<djc>but they dont show in /dev/mapper, and lvm says they have no fs
16:06<meshuggah>i can rm paniclog safely ^
16:06<Kryptik>I still can't get the display to work.
16:06<djc>meshuggah, yes, but you might want to look at it first..
16:06<Kryptik>Command line doesn't even print. :/
16:07<meshuggah>2009-02-16 00:34:46 Exim configuration error in line 28 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp:
16:07<meshuggah> malformed macro definition
16:07<meshuggah>? :)
16:07<djc>so look at line 28 of that file
16:07<meshuggah>lol ok )
16:07<djc>rm paniclog
16:07<djc>restart exim
16:07<djc>see f it comes back
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16:08<djc>from the name, id guess some system config utility automatically credted that.. so, perhaps you might want to let it recreate it, rather than edit it by hand
16:08<meshuggah>djc : it appeared when i was upgrading(trying to) to lenny
16:08<djc>anyone with suggestions on how I can mount the volumes on a prior system drive that is now connected via usb?
16:09<meshuggah>i didnt listen when it said me to restart exim
16:09<Kryptik>Are there forums I can ask about this on?
16:09<meshuggah>can i see the #of line with pico^
16:09<meshuggah>or should i use another editor
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16:09<djc>Kryptik, sounds like a prob with your video card support.. very srange
16:09<djc>meshuggah, ^C shows line in pico
16:09<Kryptik>I don't even know where to begin looking for an answer, I haven't found anything useful or that made the problem any better. :/
16:09<hahnp>Kryptik: did you reconfigure your xorg?
16:09<djc>or you can just count down, its only 28
16:09<DaBonBon>chealer: any more ideas for me?
16:10<djc>Kryptik, you might want to see if there is a local linux and/or debian guru near you
16:10<Kryptik>I was told to do that and I tried typing that but I can't see anything.
16:10<hahnp>DaBonBon: whats the problem?
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16:10<djc>hahnp, i was here before, i dont think he can even get to a text console
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16:10<meshuggah>this is the line : ##############################################
16:10<hahnp>nice one :D
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16:10<meshuggah>djc : yeah but i am lazy :)
16:10<djc>try rm paniclog and just restart exim
16:10<DaBonBon>hahnp: i am using the install manual to install using pen drive, and the installer does not recognize the iso which is present on the pen drive
16:10<meshuggah>i think i will do just that
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16:11<DaBonBon>hahnp: instead it offers for a full disk search, and even after that it doesn't find the iso on the pen drive
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16:11<djc>DaBonBon how did you put the file on the drive?
16:11<DaBonBon>the iso md5 matches, so that's not a problem
16:11<DaBonBon>djc: umm i just copy pasted it
16:11<djc>an iso is a disk image.. you cant just copy it on there
16:11<djc>yeah, that dont work..
16:11<djc>you've gotta write it out raw
16:11<djc>go back and read the instructions
16:11<blarson>djc: Did you try vgscan after adding the disk?
16:11<djc>blarson, yeah, no help
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16:11<`Butthead>I have an issue, I tried to install a package for apache docs, told me to update via apt-get update, so I did, and a dist-upgrade, but I didnt notice a libc6 for kernel 2.6, I am on a 2.4 kernel, so now I have 299 1/2 installed packages, and I need to put in a 2.6 kernel first, can someone help me out?
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16:12<djc>blarson, it does see the volume group
16:12<Kryptik>djc: yes that's right I can see the cursor blinking and it moves when I type, but there's a barcode-like background and there doesn't appear to be any reaction when I type things.
16:12<djc>and it sees the lv's in it.. but I dont have /dev/mapper entries for them
16:12<djc>what is supposed to create the dev/mapper stff?
16:12<DaBonBon>djc: i am quite sure i have read it correctly - If you used an hd-media image, you should now copy a Debian ISO image (businesscard, netinst or full CD image; be sure to select one that fits) onto the stick.
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16:12<Kryptik>I tried entering root and passwd, the other acc and passwd, special install parameters....
16:13<djc>DaBonBon, where are you reading those from?
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16:13<djc>Kryptik, you are probably going to have to fins someone local to help you.. this seems a bit beyond what can be helped remotely
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16:14<DaBonBon>djc: the installer itself is searching for an iso
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16:14<Kryptik>Except I'm right here and I can't see anything or do anything anyways, so I don't really see the advantage...but
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16:14<hahnp>Kryptik: maybe your monitor wire is not connected correctly ?!
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16:14<Kryptik>I'm speaking to you right now on the same computer
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16:14<djc>dan what step # you following?
16:14<DaBonBon>hahnp, djc : any ideas?
16:14<meshuggah>it worked
16:14<Kryptik>It's deffinitely connected correctly.
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16:15<djc>Kryptik, you need someone local that knows what they are doing to physically be ther at your pc, i think
16:15<meshuggah>hel,lo stuckey
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16:15<djc>DaBonBon, what step # you following?
16:15<stuckey_>When I start up my computer I have to type "pon" at the terminal to activate my pppoe connection; is there anyway that I can get my internet to come up automatically at boot?
16:15<Kryptik>I know, you said that already djc. Thanks for your help but that's not really an option for me.
16:16<DaBonBon>djc: " Adding the installer image" is done
16:16<hahnp>how do you get into irc?
16:16<meshuggah>stuckey : yes there is a way
16:16<DaBonBon>basically the pen drive is completely prepared, and booting
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16:16<Kryptik>hahnp: I'm using windows right now, on the same computer.
16:16<hahnp>is this running already?
16:16<DaBonBon>hahnp: i have a desktop to get into irc :) i'm installing on my laptop
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16:17<djc>Kryptik, if you cant even get to a text console either something is very unusual abuout your PC or your display adapater
16:17<hahnp>Kryptik: can you just try to press ctrl + alt + backspace
16:17<djc>hahnp, he tried ctrl-alt-F1.. he cant even get a text console
16:17<Kryptik>No I get it but it's all fucked up still.
16:18<chealer>DaBonBon: give me a few minutes to rebuild the stick
16:18<djc>well if you cant see text on it, it isnt usefull.. ok.. wait..
16:18<djc>did you say you get the grub screen?
16:18<Kryptik>I see a change, and I see the cursor but nothing comes out when it prints characters or when I tuype
16:18<djc>when it boots?
16:18<DaBonBon>chealer: thanks!
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16:18<Kryptik>I get grub, but I can't get anything else.
16:18<djc>Kryptik, ok, try this, when you see that, do you see 'single user mode' option?
16:18<djc>if so try it
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16:18<hahnp>Kryptik: that seems to me like X is started not correct...
16:18<Kryptik>I tried it before and the same thing happened but
16:18<djc>its possible that when X tries to start its hosing your video mode
16:19<djc>single user mode wont even start X
16:19<Kryptik>you want me to do what?
16:19<hahnp>start single user mode
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16:19<djc>if you cant boot to single user mode even, then something is seriously hosed
16:19<Kryptik>Well it looks the same. :/
16:19<Kryptik>I've already tried that.
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16:19<hahnp>doesnt make sense to me
16:19<djc>then you are beyond remote help
16:19<Kryptik>I installed ubuntu server and it's just fine.
16:20<djc>you will need a ldebian guru to come physically help you
16:20<djc>or figure out wtf is wrong
16:20*Kryptik sighs
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16:20<Kryptik>I've been trying...
16:20<djc>where are you?
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16:20<Kryptik>Google really isn't as helpful as they say it is...
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16:20<meshuggah>how can i edit grub ? i want to remove the choice of booting on hdb5(this partition with debian lenny is screwed up and has 0 byte left anyway)
16:20<djc>Im sure there is some debian user group or guru somewhere near you
16:20<Kryptik>Idk, I'll just ask around until I find someone...
16:20<hahnp>maybe the whole installation failed
16:20<djc>pico /etc/grub.conf
16:21<gpb>meshuggah, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
16:21<djc>yeah, you could try to reinstall from scracth
16:21<goodxandros>there some servers here in irc
16:21<meshuggah>ok i do what ^
16:21<Kryptik>Maybe, but I doubt if I can get to grub and I can see it loading shit and tying to start the kernel and all that...
16:21*djc defers to gpb
16:21<meshuggah>3 choices...
16:21<meshuggah>sorry i will try menu.lst
16:21<meshuggah>it is wrote : menu :)
16:21<Kryptik>I reinstalled 3 times now :/
16:21<djc>im a fedora user just starting to convert to debian
16:21<goodxandros>with other linux channels
16:21<hahnp>Kryptik: can you paste your grup configuration here?
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16:22<djc>hahnp, i dont think he can even get into his system
16:22<hahnp>yes but
16:22<Kryptik>This IS the system, but
16:22<meshuggah>djc : im a winshit xp user starting to convert people to ubuntu(i converted 1), but now i will learn debian more, and convert them to debian
16:22<djc>hes on a second machine to get here.. er, yeah
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16:22<goodxandros>ill pm you Kryptik
16:22<hahnp>on startup he could press E for edit or something
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16:22<hahnp>end there it is... the grub cofiguration
16:22<djc>yeah, but hed have to write it all down, then reboot to windows to get in irc and type it all in
16:22<meshuggah>but now xp is in his grave and wont get out his tomb
16:23<hahnp>oh come on what do you want me to do :D
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16:23<meshuggah>it is not menu.lst
16:24*meshuggah slaps ubuntu
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16:24<hahnp>yes perhaps he should go and get some freaky old linux guru to adapt hist crazy configuration
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16:24<meshuggah>sorry ubuntu, it was an accident :)
16:24<gpb>please post me your menu.lst, meshuggah
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16:25<DaBonBon>chealer: any luck?
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16:25<sd_>Hi guys! I have a problem. My boss partially upgraded his Etch to 5.0 . He installed about only 75 pkgs before he spot that something wrong... Now his X + gnome isn't stable. So what to do now? Now I see there is a mess in his /etc/sources.list .. Please advice what do I need to have in sources.list to finish the upgrade correctly from Etch to Lenny 5.0 stable?
16:25<meshuggah>i said nothing
16:25<meshuggah>it is
16:25<meshuggah>i didnt scrolled down
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16:25*meshuggah slaps meshuggah
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16:25<hahnp>sd_ try apt-get dselect-upgrade
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16:26<meshuggah>djc, gpb : is it a good idea to cp menu.lst in a backup directory^
16:26<meshuggah>or if i screw something it is too late anyway?
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16:26<djc>meshuggah, i dont suppose it would hurt
16:27<hahnp>meshuggah: ^^
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16:27<gpb>copy it away
16:27<meshuggah>anyway, i installed and reinstalled debian 4 times in 2 days....
16:27<gpb>*should* be able to restore it
16:27<meshuggah>a fifth time is nothing ! :)
16:27<sd_>hahnp: it doesn't help. Pls tel me the correct content or sources.list . I suspect there is something wrong in it.
16:27<DaBonBon>oh forget it.. i solved the problem by copying the iso to the root of my hard disk.
16:27<hahnp>meshuggah: that depends on what you will screw ^^
16:28<pharm>Argh. Something has eaten my mime-types. All the .desktop files on my Gnome desktop are now application/octet-stream and don't do anything any more. Anyone know how to regenerate the mime info?
16:28<hahnp>sd_: can you paste your source.lst
16:28<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
16:28<meshuggah>anyway i have some livecd of different linux distro here, i should be able to copy it back
16:28<djc>im gonna try rebooting with the usb plugged in
16:28<anti_windows>Is ATI dual monitor support drastically different in ubuntu fiesty compared to gutsy ??
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16:28<sd_>hahnp: ok. pls wait...
16:28<plugwash>I have a strange issue, i'm getting frequent error emails to root from cron with the same error but there is nothing in roots personal crontab and the most frequent thing in the system crontab appears to be daily
16:28<binarymutant>anti_windows, maybe you want #ubuntu on
16:28<plugwash>any idea what could be triggering the job that fails?
16:28<chealer>DaBonBon: I'm copying the KDE iso, if you're still interested
16:28<anti_windows>binarymutant: ok thanks
16:29*anti_windows goes to freenode
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16:29<DaBonBon>chealer: yes i am. if possible, i want to install using the pen drive. i'll wait for you then, please
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16:29<jim>Hi everybody.
16:30<meshuggah>anti : install intrepid, why not^
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16:30<jim>I am reading release notes in french. Does somebody know how to send my notes to the writers ?
16:30<meshuggah>jim : tu veux dire quoi^
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16:31<jim>I want to send the corrections to the people writing release notes in french
16:31<meshuggah>i am gonna change my keyboard map, it has been a while i ve not used a us keyboard
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16:31<meshuggah>jim : can you find some email where you got release notes?
16:32<meshuggah>jim : send them to bill gates
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16:32<DaBonBon>meshuggah: umm, what's the point of acting oversmart?
16:33<DaBonBon>chealer: you're using the final lenny iso, or the RC1 as you used previously?
16:33<hahnp>sd_: mom
16:33<meshuggah>i am not acting oversmart, i suck, i am using linux since 2 weeks
16:33<meshuggah>i would be stupid to act oversmart
16:34<DaBonBon>then what was the point in saying "send them to bill gates"
16:34<sd_>hahnp: what? something wrong? :)
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16:34<meshuggah>dabonbon : a point?!? there is not
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16:34<sd_>hahnp: ..i see. ok. thank you.
16:34<Kryptik>well...this is discouraging. :/
16:35<hahnp>sd_: non-free ;)
16:35<meshuggah>dabonbon : are you always serious? not
16:35<sd_>hahnp: yes, we use some proprietary Nvidia drivers -- it's in non-free
16:35<chealer>DaBonBon: the RC2
16:36<chealer>DaBonBon: the only final iso I have is DVD 1 and my USB key is only 2 GB. I'll start it now
16:36<DaBonBon>chealer: ok. what surprises me is that after i copied the iso to the root of /dev/sda5 it worked flawlessly. though now i've rebooted and waiting for you to try
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16:36<sd_>hahnp: free nVidia drvs don't support wide LCD screens correct way...
16:36<DaBonBon>meshuggah: heh ok
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16:41<sd_>hahnp: any ideas?
16:41<totovld>hello everyone
16:41<meshuggah>hi toto
16:41<totovld>i'm going nuts with 3 servers that could stall randomly and i'm needing some help
16:41<totovld>they all run on a 2.6.16 kernel realease
16:41<stuckey>Where is a typical place to save torrent files?
16:41<meshuggah>toto : i wish i could help you...:(
16:42<DaBonBon>stuckey: no, just save them on the desktop
16:42<meshuggah>why not ~/downloads/torrents/
16:42<dr|z3d>stuckey: Your home directory is more likely.
16:42<stuckey>No I mean... Like downloaded torrents.
16:42<chealer>DaBonBon: hum, it doesn't seem to find it
16:42<stuckey>Like the files that you're downloading and seeding...
16:42<DaBonBon>chealer: ok, then how did you do it the first time around?
16:42<hahnp>sd_: what about testing?
16:43<meshuggah>what is single-use-mode(from grub/menu.lst) : Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 (single-user mode) do i need it?
16:43<totovld>first of all ... what this message talking about , i'm finding a lot in my logs : kernel: out of order segment: rcv_next B868157D seq B8681B25 - B86820CD
16:43<schlurchz>meshuggah: only in case of emergency.
16:43<metalqga>stuckey you never sleep
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16:43<stuckey>metalqga: no, I don't need sleep.
16:43<sd_>hahnp: what do you mean?
16:43<schlurchz>meshuggah: (or special system maintenance)
16:44<metalqga>I save em in /hdd/torrents from where deluge takes em and deletes em
16:44<meshuggah>schlurchz : what kind of emergency? or special maintenance?
16:44<stuckey>metalqga: no I mean like the files that you've downloaded from a torrent...
16:44<schlurchz>meshuggah: to repair a b0rked system, for example.
16:44<metalqga>\/hdd torrents is the parttition where deluge dlds torrents
16:44<stuckey>metalqga: that you're then sharing to thoer epople
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16:44<chealer>DaBonBon: it may be because I'm not booting from the same PC or because the key's content isn't identical
16:44<dpkg>torrent is, like, apt-cache search torrent and then pick a package you like, install it and read its documentation
16:44<hahnp>sd_: in your source.lst just replace etch with testing
16:44<hahnp>and make n apt-get update
16:44<metalqga>i've got a 80gb hdd that is torretns only
16:44<hahnp>after that n apt-get dselect-upgrade
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16:45<stuckey>metalqga: What if you didn't have an external? Would you just use /var/opt?
16:45<sd_>hahnp: why not with "stable"?
16:45<hahnp>then you have the nealy neweset "stable" stuff
16:45<hahnp>they are newer
16:45<XCODE>My debian has a big problem
16:45<metalqga>i've got 3 "internal" hdds, 2 pata 1 sata
16:45<schlurchz>meshuggah: or in case you want to boot into a minimal system, with little to no daemons running
16:45*abrotman gives XCODE little blue pills
16:45<hahnp>sd_: other chance is to manually install the neccesary driver
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16:45<DaBonBon>chealer: any ideas?
16:46<XCODE>how do i customize the resolution inside of parralels
16:46*metalqga the matrix? abrotman?
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16:46<sd_>hahnp: he just did something wrong with sources.list and now I don't know what should I have to be able to finish the upgrade correct way. No, there are no problems with driver...
16:46<hahnp>oh okay
16:47<hahnp>sd_: whats the error by trying apt-get dselect-upgrade
16:47<nmd202> anyone know of a channel for GIMP?
16:47<XCODE>how do i customize the resolution inside of parralels
16:47<hahnp>XCODE: what do you want to do?
16:47<XCODE>When i try and change debians resolution it just flickers and nothing happens
16:47<XCODE>im inside of configure kdesktop and setties for screen is grey and says screen 1 i cant change it
16:48<hahnp>reconfigure your xorg.conf
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16:48<XCODE>what do i type in it?
16:48<sd_>hahnp: gdm login comes up ok. But Gnome doesn't want to come... I think I need to finish the upgrade first. Pls give me the correct content of sources.list for this.
16:48<hahnp>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
16:48<meshuggah>do i need to keep old kernel 2.6.18-6-686 in my grub/menu.lst ?
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16:48<XCODE>do i run that command
16:48<hahnp>sd_: when you type apt-get dselect-upgrade whats the error?
16:49<hahnp>XCODE: try
16:49<sd_>hahnp: apt-get dselect-upgrade does nothing, no errors.....
16:49<schlurchz>meshuggah: depends. If it's your only kernel, keep it. :-p
16:49<hahnp>apt-get -f install
16:49<XCODE>hahnp it says could not run specified command
16:49<meshuggah>schlurchz : lol, no, old kernel(old from 1 day), i got : kernel 2.6.26-1-686
16:50<DaBonBon>chealer: i hate to bother you again and again, but i am a bit curious now. is it a bug in the installer?
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16:50<hahnp>XCODE: are you root?
16:50<XCODE>oh wait 1 sec
16:50<schlurchz>meshuggah: I would get rid of it, if everything's working.
16:50<chealer>DaBonBon: I don't know. I'll try to get my stick working, but it may take some time.
16:50<hahnp>sd_: nothing to be done ^^
16:50<DaBonBon>chealer: what will you do to get it working?
16:51<hahnp>sd_: do you get a screen?
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16:51<XCODE>hahnp how do i iopen terminal
16:51<sd_>hahnp: yes I doo in text console :)
16:51<hahnp>i mean you said gdm comes up
16:51<meshuggah>schlurchz : yeah, i succeeded to make it work after some hours....yesterday i was shouting at my computer, and i was wanting to threw it by the window, right in the snow....i reinstalled debian 4 times in 2 days
16:51<XCODE>nvm got it
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16:51<XCODE>yes i am root now
16:52<hahnp>run the command again
16:52<schlurchz>meshuggah: interesting technique. I tend to do 1 install in 2-3 days. :-)
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16:52<XCODE>i ran it and says cannot run command
16:52<hahnp>^^ whats the error?
16:52<sd_>hahnp: yes only gdm. You see in sources.list there are directives to use Etch repository. I need simple thing -- the correct ones to upgrade the system to 5.0 . Could you advice me..
16:52<meshuggah>schlurchz : lol =D
16:52<XCODE>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg: Command not foun
16:53<BlueG>when sharing a copy of Debian installation discs, I need to make a written offer to supply corresponding source (or supply them together in the first place), right? GPLv2 requires offer of a physical copy, which I didn't get from Debian or anyone else, so I can't pass on the offer I received (since I didn't receive one), or is there something I am not aware of here?
16:53<hahnp>XCODE: do you use debian?
16:53<XCODE>something happened
16:53<XCODE>what do i type into kwrite?
16:54<BlueG>Is there a way to find specifically which discs contain corresponding source for a given installation disc?
16:54<hahnp>sd_: i use only deb etch main
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16:55<meshuggah>ok i am gonna reboot, if if am not here in 1 minute, you will hear me swear and shout, even if i am 5000 km away...
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16:55<hahnp>try just using deb etch main non-free
16:55<hahnp>XCODE: kwrite? what do you want to do
16:55<XCODE>it says Dbdriver "config::/var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
16:55<XCODE>i want to customize my resolution
16:55<hahnp>oh man^^^
16:56<maxb>Huh. I just upgraded a machine running testing with the first batch of post-thaw updates, and they deleted /etc/nsswitch.conf
16:56<XCODE>will it work hahnp
16:57<hahnp>XCODE: there is another session with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg anyway
16:57<hahnp>you can try to delete the lock... and run the command again
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16:57<hahnp>delete /var/lib/dpkg/lock
16:57<schlurchz>sorry :-)
16:58<BlueG>what exactly are the requirements to meet the license terms when sharing copies of Debian?
16:58<meshuggah> is working now :(((
16:58<meshuggah>i want to make some fun, how can i screw up lenny now?
16:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 418] by debhelper
16:59<hahnp>screw up ^^
16:59<schlurchz>meshuggah: delete /var/lib/dpkg/lock :-)
16:59<meshuggah>hahnp : was getting used to have problem, it is fun to resolve problem, now i have none :(
16:59<adama>meshuggah: chmod -R -x /
16:59<chealer>DaBonBon: it found it this time. I hadn't cleaned the key the first time, there were clear errors
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16:59<hahnp>meshuggah: try rm -rf / and then rebuld everything manually
17:00<hahnp>have fun ^^
17:00<meshuggah>i want to try it someday
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17:01<DaBonBon>chealer: what errors?
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17:01<XCODE>can someone please help me customize my screens resolution these arent working
17:01<DaBonBon>chealer: you mean to say, file system errors?
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17:01<chealer>DaBonBon: MD5 stuff, you'd notice if that was the problem. maybe
17:01<hahnp>XCODE: ^^ have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:01<Astero1D>What GUI gnome app can I use to set startup options( when I login, I want to run skype) or what file do I edit if I'm on CLI?
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17:01<hahnp>XCODE: other chance try. X -configure
17:02<chealer>DaBonBon: after iso-scan tried /dev/hda[1256], I get iso-scan: Mounted /dev/sda1 for first pass
17:02<chester--->ma ktos troche czasu ?
17:02<DaBonBon>chealer: ye
17:02<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
17:02<DaBonBon>i got the same
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17:02<XCODE>nothing happened
17:02<XCODE>i type the command and noting
17:02<hahnp>whats on the screen
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17:02<chealer>DaBonBon: and right after that iso-scan: Found ISO ./debian-Lenny-DI-rc... on /dev/sda1
17:02<chester--->potrzebuje w debian zmienic jasnosc ekranu
17:02<XCODE>tutaj to samo
17:02<DaBonBon>chealer: ok, that's strange
17:03<XCODE>ale oni nie wiedzom jak
17:03<chealer>DaBonBon: on which partition is your iso?
17:03<hahnp>XCODE: there must be somethiing like... configuration was written to /root/
17:03<XCODE>i open run command
17:03<DaBonBon>chealer: there is only one partition on the pen drive
17:03<XCODE>and did run as root
17:03<XCODE>and nothing
17:03<chealer>DaBonBon: and what's its device?
17:04<DaBonBon>chealer: sda12
17:04<meshuggah>xcode : find your xorg.conf cp it somewhere, after delete it, after try xinit, if you get in X type gdm will probably not work, but it is what i did to make it works yesterday
17:04<DaBonBon>chealer: exact same as you
17:04<chealer>DaBonBon: so do you actually get "iso-scan: Mounted /dev/sda1 for first pass"?
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17:05<hahnp>XCODE: whats the output of X -configure
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17:05<DaBonBon>oops no
17:05<DaBonBon>i get mounted /dev/hda1 for first pass
17:05<DaBonBon>it never gets to sda1
17:06<chealer>DaBonBon: OK. and you're sure that /dev/sda1 does exist *in d-i*, right?
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17:06<DaBonBon>i saw in vt2
17:06<DaBonBon>it exists
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17:06<DaBonBon>that's how i came to know it's sda1
17:07<DaBonBon>i was expecting it to be sdbX like my pen drives are on other distros
17:07<chealer>DaBonBon: did you try grepping syslog for sda1 and look for errors?
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17:07<DaBonBon>i'm trying to run a fsck on the pen drive now from my main distro
17:08<sd_>hahnp: well, I found something. I currenly follow this document:
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17:09<jidm>im having problems with splashy on debian lenny. It runs well until the progress bar is full. Then just stops there, with the full progress bar. I have to press F2 in order to continue.
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17:10<tom222>Hi. How can I list all installed experimental packages?
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17:10<tom222>I can't find anything in `man dpkg` that would do it.
17:11<jidm>anyone using splashy? And how do it work for you? Thanks
17:11<chester--->potrzebuje zainstalowac drivery do grafiki w debianie
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17:11<chester--->pisze ktos po polsku ?
17:12<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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17:13<DaBonBon>chealer: well i'm starting all over again.. i hope it works this time
17:13<jidm>tom22: i only know that if you run "aptitude search ~o" you will see a list of obsolete, manually installed and experimental packages.
17:13<adama> ...I think I've lost my file associations. This has also happened for .desktop files, .drive files, ... how to get them back??
17:14<chealer>DaBonBon: you may also be able to try the pen drive on another machine, or using another pen drive
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17:15<jidm>(sorry, lacking a 2 on your nick) tom222: i only know that if you run "aptitude search ~o" you will see a list of obsolete, manually installed and experimental packages.
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17:24<DaBonBon>chealer: i'll try for a bit now, but as it's really late i guess i'll have to do it tomorrow. but for you, it went without a hitch, right?
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17:24<Scrambled>Hi All. Just doing tests upgrading etch to lenny to my servers and discovered some problems with bnx2 firmware. I need to rmmod and then modprobe the module to make it work, after installer the proper firmware package. Reading the bugs I saw nothing about solbing this problem definitly. How things are going in this matter?
17:24<DaBonBon>chealer: though i still don't understand what errors you were talking about, the first time
17:24<Astero1D>partition manager in gnome wont let me format drive in fat, it's grayd out, what do I need to enable it?
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17:25<chealer>DaBonBon: when I built the stick right, yes. I had to grep the syslog before the installer was quite a few steps later when I realized it had detected the iso
17:26<DaBonBon>chealer: what do you mean by building it "right"?
17:26<DaBonBon>maybe i'm doing the same mistake?
17:26<chealer>DaBonBon: I built the stick too quickly (I was watching TV) and must have done something wrong. there were IO errors and the an MD5 sum mismatch
17:26<Astero1D>how do I format hard drive in fat?
17:27<chealer>DaBonBon: I doubt it, the errors were obvious. if you want, show your syslog
17:27<DaBonBon>shit i don't know what i did, now when i boot it just says MBR FA: and hangs there
17:27<goodxandros>fat 32
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17:27<goodxandros>old ass 32 bit
17:27<DaBonBon>doesn't boot at all
17:28<Slurb>dabonbon boot with a disk and run fdisk /mbr
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17:28<DaBonBon>hmm? that command was windows 9x era right?
17:29<Slurb>use a disk from then
17:29<DaBonBon>i don't have windows 9x anywhere
17:29<max>ciao a tutti
17:29<Slurb>thats the only thing i can think of
17:29<max>chi mi da una mano?
17:29<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:29<DaBonBon>the debian manual suggests doing install-mbr /dev/sdb which i think spoiled it
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17:29<max>grazie mille,ciao
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17:30<amphi>ciao ;)
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17:31<tuzok>hello, is there any guide on how to "upgrade" from lenny-testing to lenny-stable?
17:31<DaBonBon>tuzok: if your sources.list says "lenny" you'll automatically go to stable
17:32<chealer>DaBonBon: aha. maybe you didn't buidld the stick correctly (if it does that on several machines)
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17:33<DaBonBon>chealer: ok, now it's booting fine. grepping syslog shows that iso-scan isn't even trying sda1
17:33<chealer>DaBonBon: or you hit something like
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17:34<chealer>DaBonBon: OK, and what else does syslog say about sda1? or could you provide the syslog?
17:34<DaBonBon>no, i had to just set the partition to bootable, then it worked
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17:34<DaBonBon>is there any way of providing it?
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17:35<chealer>DaBonBon: you could copy it on your stick and move the stick to your PC
17:35<DaBonBon>grepping for sda1 just shows "kernel: sda1"
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17:36<DaBonBon>ohhh yes now it says found iso ./debian-xxx.iso
17:36<DaBonBon>but the very next line says failed mount ./debian-xxx.iso
17:36<DaBonBon>failed mounting /dev/sda1
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17:37<syd>after installing most of the screensaver packages (including xscreensaver and rss-glx) I can preview all of them, but when the screensaver is supposed to run I get a black screen, except for with the few in the gnome-screensaver package
17:37<DaBonBon>like you said, first it said "mounting /dev/sda1 for first pass"
17:37<DaBonBon>then found, then failed mounting those 2 lines
17:37<DaBonBon>why could it possibly fail mounting? :o
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17:38<InkBottle>:%s/lenny/squeeze/ in you source list, is that it?
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17:39<DaBonBon>chealer: i tried it again, same error. failed mounting
17:39<chealer>DaBonBon: hum. are you able to mount the iso manually?
17:40<chealer>DaBonBon: (also, maybe the log says why it failed to mount but grep doesn't show it)
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17:40<DaBonBon>chealer: trying to mount it manually says "cannot setup loop device no such file or director"
17:41<chealer>DaBonBon: is /dev/sda1 mounted?
17:42<DaBonBon>i mounted it manually right now, to /mnt/tmp
17:42<tom222>jidm: Thanks. :)
17:42<InkBottle>To upgrade to squeeze, should I do a dist-upgrade, or seting the source-list up to date and doing a usual aptitude; then u; then U; then g, sould be enough?
17:42<chealer>tuzok: did you get an answer to your question?
17:43<DaBonBon>chealer: after one point it's failing to mount ISOs
17:43<DaBonBon>even normal non-debian ones
17:43<chealer>DaBonBon: what do you mean, which point?
17:43<tuzok>oh, yes, sorry. Thanks to DaBonBon, solutions was quite straightforward .)
17:44<chealer>tuzok: good. my bad, my DNS had issues.
17:44<DaBonBon>chealer: i don't know, is there a limit to how many isos can be mounted in the install environment?
17:44<DaBonBon>on my hard disk there are many ISOs and it's trying to mount each of them, and then failing
17:45<DaBonBon>after a certain ISO it just said "failed to mount" for every subsequent iso
17:45<tuzok>one more question: does anyone found or created a fine image for lightscribe test for Lenny stable AMD64 DVD?
17:45<chealer>InkBottle: a dist-upgrade is a fine way (but I don't know aptitude)
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17:45<totovld>hello guys ... please help me : could you interpret this message seen dozen times on my log messages ?
17:45<totovld> kernel: out of order segment: rcv_next EC7F66AF seq EC7F71FF - EC7F77A7
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17:46<chealer>DaBonBon: oh. hum, I'm not aware of that.
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17:46<abrotman>totovld: i'd guess it's a TCP thing
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17:47<gpb>totovld, google helps
17:47<gpb>yes, it's a TCP problem
17:47<gpb>packets arriving in wrong order
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17:47<DaBonBon>chealer: ok i have now moved all the ISOs so deep in the directory tree that on first find it won't find those at all
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17:48<totovld>gpb : thanks for having better fingers than mine ... i'll not speak baout brai,
17:48<InkBottle>chealer: the three following ways: aptitude -s full-upgrade, safe-upgrade; and usual 'U' have given me the same results: 247 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded
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17:48<InkBottle>does it seem dangerous
17:49<gpb>that's normal
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17:49<chealer>DaBonBon: normally, it should not have more than 1 mounted at any time, so I don't see how a possible limit on the number of concurrent mounts could be reached. but I don't know.
17:49<DaBonBon>chealer: YAY it worked ow
17:49<gpb>look if the to be removed are important, but....
17:49<DaBonBon>i found the problem then, i guess - trying too many isos busts the installer
17:49<DaBonBon>guess i'll file a bug after all this is done
17:50<chealer>DaBonBon: nice. but they can still be mounted manually, right?
17:50<DaBonBon>no, it was giving some error about loop
17:51<chealer>gpb: as gpb wrote
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17:51<chealer>DaBonBon: No such file, or what?
17:52<DaBonBon>DaBonBon chealer: trying to mount it manually says "cannot setup loop device no such file or director" ---> that
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17:52<chealer>DaBonBon: but that remains after /dev/sda1 is mounted?
17:53<chealer>DaBonBon: first /dev/sda1 needs to be mounted, then you can mount the iso on sda1
17:53<DaBonBon>i don't know, should i go to vt2 and try mounting some other iso?
17:53<chealer>DaBonBon: yes. your bug is non-obvious without further info
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17:53<DaBonBon>right now, /dev/sda1 is mounted to /hd-media
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17:53<DaBonBon>and /dev/loop0 to /cdrom
17:54<DaBonBon>i don't understand - should i mount the hard disk partition first, and then some other iso?
17:55<chealer>DaBonBon: uh, yes then
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17:56<DaBonBon>yes, i could mount parted magic 3.6 iso to /mnt/iso
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17:57<XCODE>hey i have a big problem i try and change my screen resolution in debian... and when i press apply my screen flickers but does not change anything
17:57<XCODE>im running debian 5 in parralels
17:58<DaBonBon>and clonezilla too. so yes, chealer , right now i can mount ISOs
17:58<XCODE>Can anyone help?
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17:58<DaBonBon>chealer: i think the problem is, while iterating through list of available ISOs and checking each one for presence of "debianness", it chokes when there are too many ISOs found
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17:59<XCODE>can anyone help?
17:59<chealer>DaBonBon: yeah. if my DNS would work I'd try checking iso-scan's sources, but feel free to report the bug, your theory is good.
17:59<InkBottle>I'm upgrading to sqeeze :)
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18:00<XCODE>Can anyone help?
18:00<XCODE>hey i have a big problem i try and change my screen resolution in debian... and when i press apply my screen flickers but does not change anything
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18:01<DaBonBon>chealer: i'll do a bit more experimenting, and report it tomorrow. it's 4:30 am here now :)
18:01<DaBonBon>thanks for all the great help!!
18:01<chealer>DaBonBon: ;) it's a pleasure
18:01<DaBonBon>whoa something strange happened
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18:01<XCODE>Can anyone help?
18:02<DaBonBon>i used the KDE CD1 to install, and kde wasn't installed at all!
18:02<azeem>DaBonBon: you still need to select desktop environment I guess
18:03<InkBottle>XCODE: what are you doing to try to change your screen resolution?
18:03<DaBonBon>azeem: while installing i made sure that "Desktop" was marked with a *
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18:03<azeem>DaBonBon: so what happened? You're in the graphical mode now?
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18:03<DaBonBon>i am in text mode
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18:03<chealer>DaBonBon: was GNOME installed?
18:03<DaBonBon>kdm isn't there at all
18:03<azeem>DaBonBon: then it's more likely that the graphical mode doesn't work
18:03<XCODE>i need to change my resolution cause it doesnt fit my screen
18:03<InkBottle>XCODE: does your screen flicker once, or several times during a while?
18:03<DaBonBon>chealer: no
18:03<azeem>DaBonBon: run dpkg -l kdm
18:04<themill>DaBonBon: did you install the "desktop" task?
18:04<azeem>00:02 < DaBonBon> azeem: while installing i made sure that "Desktop" was marked with a *
18:04<DaBonBon>themill: yes
18:04<InkBottle>XCODE: it's not to bad then
18:04<DaBonBon>azeem: kdm isn't installed. -l says so too
18:04<XCODE>what do i do?
18:04<XCODE>i cant see my task bar
18:04<azeem>DaBonBon: then run tasksel
18:04<DaBonBon>i was suspicious, because the install compelted way too fast
18:04<XCODE>i have to scroll down in parrallels
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18:04<azeem>DaBonBon: make sure you actually hit enter on ok, other stuff might make it abort IIRC
18:04<tuzok>Does anyone has usable lenny image for lightscribing? There's very nice one at hungarian website, but it's unavailable...:
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18:05<InkBottle>XCODE: what are you actually doing to see your screen resolution change?
18:05<XCODE>right clicking the desktop
18:05<DaBonBon>azeem: did it, no change
18:05<XCODE>and going to configre desktop
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18:05<InkBottle>XCODE: I see
18:05<XCODE>then display
18:05<DaBonBon>azeem: it just quits
18:05<XCODE>and i change it and click apply and nothing
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18:06<XCODE>any ideas anyone>
18:06<XCODE>any ideas?
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18:08<DaBonBon>errmm guess i'll need to reinstall, or at least manually install those packages. PITA.
18:08<InkBottle>XCODE: have you got the target resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
18:08<azeem>DaBonBon: wait a sec
18:08<XCODE>i cant edit it it says i dont have permission
18:08<XCODE>let me open it
18:08<DaBonBon>while installing it asked me, do you want to use the network, i said no
18:09<chealer>DaBonBon: are you used to Debian?
18:09<azeem>DaBonBon: try "aptitude install kde-desktop"
18:09<InkBottle>XCODE: You have to be super-user
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18:09<azeem>DaBonBon: which CD did you download?
18:09<DaBonBon>chealer: yes, why?
18:09<DaBonBon>azeem: KDE CD1
18:09<InkBottle>XCODE: does /etc/X11/xorg.conf give any resolution at all?
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18:10<azeem>DaBonBon: please pastebin and/or transcribe the content of /etc/apt/sources.list
18:10<XCODE>how to i become a super usuer
18:10<azeem>XCODE: try to run grandr
18:10<chealer>DaBonBon: there aren't many packages to install if you know Debian and KDE. kde-core is a great start
18:10<chealer>!install kde
18:10<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see, or ask me about <kde version>
18:10<azeem>chealer: obvious it's a seperate problem?
18:11<azeem>obviously*, lag
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18:11<XCODE>how do i run grandr
18:11<chealer>azeem: I don't understand what you mean
18:11<XCODE>and i just typed su in konsole and nothing happened
18:11<XCODE>does anyone have aim or could help me?
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18:11<DaBonBon>i know how to install kde, that isn't the problem. the problem is, why wasn't it installed by default?
18:12<gpb>well, debian install gnome by default
18:12<azeem>00:09 < azeem> DaBonBon: please pastebin and/or transcribe the content of /etc/apt/sources.list
18:12<DaBonBon>gpb: not if you use the KDE CD1
18:12<azeem>gpb: please read scrollback
18:12<DaBonBon>azeem: it has 3 things -- the lenny cd iso, security, and volatile
18:12<azeem>there you go
18:12<gpb>ahhh, sorry
18:12<azeem>DaBonBon: what's the exact name of that "lenny cd iso"
18:13<DaBonBon>azeem: lenny official kde-CD Binary-1
18:13<XCODE>how do i run grandr?
18:13<DaBonBon>and when i do "apt-get install kde" it prompts me to insert the cd, and downloads nothing
18:13<azeem>DaBonBon: what does "apt-cache show kdm | grep Version" say?
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18:13<DaBonBon>which means that all is there on the cd, just not installed by default
18:14<InkBottle>XCODE: when you made the installation you gave a password for root
18:14<azeem>00:08 < azeem> DaBonBon: try "aptitude install kde-desktop"
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18:14<XCODE>why does linux make everything so hard?
18:14<InkBottle>XCODE: and when you type su it doesn't ask you for a password?
18:14<DaBonBon>azeem: DaBonBon and when i do "apt-get install kde" it prompts me to insert the cd, and downloads nothing
18:14<DaBonBon>i already did that
18:14<azeem>DaBonBon: so?
18:15<chealer>DaBonBon: your cdrom line is useless when you install this way. you could change it to a file line, though it's less convenient
18:15<XCODE>i did that
18:15<azeem>kde and kde-desktop aren't the same thing
18:15<XCODE>and logged in as su
18:15<XCODE>tried editing the kwrite file and nothing
18:15<InkBottle>XCODE: so u are super user now?
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18:15<azeem>InkBottle: lenny doesn't need a xorg.conf anymore
18:15<XCODE>now what?
18:15<InkBottle>azeem: really?
18:16<azeem>InkBottle: did you read the release notes?
18:16<XCODE>still says acess denied
18:16<stepco>They say it doesn't, mine doesn't work without xorg.conf
18:16<azeem>ok, then please read them before you try to help users
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18:16<XCODE>any suggestions?
18:16<azeem>XCODE: run grandr, or, if you don't have that, xrandr
18:16<XCODE>how do i run that
18:16<DaBonBon>azeem: couldn't find package kde-desktop
18:16<XCODE>not everyone was born with a linux cd next to them
18:17*themill wonders what proportion of users successfully run lenny's xorg with a config file
18:17<DaBonBon>i guess i need to add the lines for main contrib non-free
18:17<azeem>XCODE: from the console
18:17<XCODE>what do i type
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18:17<XCODE>this isnt a comic book?
18:17<DaBonBon>but i wonder why all this is even needed to be done, if i am using a KDE CD
18:17<azeem>grandr might be easier
18:17<XCODE>says no protocol specidied
18:17<InkBottle>azeem: I would have been carefull; but I've been under lenny for long, and then I haven't read the release note
18:17<XCODE>grandr command not found
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18:18<azeem>XCODE: are you running gnome or kdeß
18:18<stepco>My lenny system worked great without an xorg until I loaded the Nvidia driver
18:18<InkBottle>azeem: and I've allways needed a xorg.conf file under lenny
18:18<azeem>stepco: well I guess that's expected
18:18<chealer>I'll be back later
18:18<XCODE>what do i do?
18:18<DaBonBon>chealer: bye, and thanks again
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18:19<amphi>stepco: there's a moral in that story somewhere ;)
18:19<DaBonBon>azeem: i guess i'll try installing once by burning the cd, and not using the pen drive. don't think that should make a difference though, do you?
18:19<azeem>eh, what pen drive?
18:19<DaBonBon>azeem: i installed using pen drive
18:19<XCODE>does anyone have aim who could help me?
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18:19<azeem>what does that have to do with CD1?
18:20<DaBonBon>because i copied the ISO of CD1 KDE to pen drive?
18:20<azeem>and nothing else?
18:20<azeem>how did you make it bootable?
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18:20<azeem>XCODE: please be less unpatient
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18:21<stepco>It works great now as well, just ran 'sudo xorg -configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf.tes
18:21<XCODE>do u have aim?
18:21<azeem>XCODE: maybe you should start over and explain which resolution you are currently running and what resolution you want
18:21<DaBonBon>azeem: i followed the complete instructions in the install guide
18:21<Tuplad>guys! I've got a mysterious problem :O I was trying to open a video file, but when I clicked on it my mouse slipped and while I had the LMB clicked it went up the screen and I released the mousebutton... the file is completely gone :O can I somehow trace it or something?
18:21<XCODE>I right click my desktop i do configure desktop then i go to display and try and change my resolution and it doesnt change it fickers and goes back to my login screen
18:21<azeem>DaBonBon: which chapter?
18:22<XCODE>note i am in mac osx parralels
18:22<azeem>XCODE: right click which desktop?
18:22<XCODE>my debian desktop?
18:22<azeem>maybe you meant your Mac OS X desktop?
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18:23<DaBonBon>azeem: chapter 4 section 3
18:23<azeem>I don't run KDE, so I don't know about this configure desktop thing
18:23<DaBonBon>i think what has happened is, the hd-media installed did not know about kde and installed generic packages.
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18:23<DaBonBon>i'll try burning a cd and then reinstalling
18:23<themill>DaBonBon: should be no need to do that.
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18:24<azeem>DaBonBon: I think what you're doing is a CD-reinforced businesscard install
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18:24<azeem>so basically you have a tiny install+ the CD packages, but apparently the tasks don't cope with this
18:25<azeem>DaBonBon: what was the reason you chose not to use network?
18:25<DaBonBon>themill: it's not strictly needed, but i want to see if the CD does it properply
18:25<themill>fair enough
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18:25<DaBonBon>azeem: i don't have always free net, my net is free only at night
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18:25<azeem>I see
18:25<DaBonBon>installer bugs are filed against package "debian-installer" right?
18:26<azeem>I think
18:26<DaBonBon>it's not a report i'm sending
18:26<XCODE>first 1 to help me gets 25$ over paypal
18:26<gpb>impressive how many people are installing lenny right now
18:26<azeem>DaBonBon: I'm just telling you the correct way
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18:27<azeem>DaBonBon: in any case, please mention this pen-drive thing right away this time, to save some mail ping-pong
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18:27<adama>XCODE: you should probably be asking the Parallels people. You are working in an environment wea re not familiar with
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18:27<DaBonBon>azeem: yes i am filing a bug for this pen drive thing only
18:28<DaBonBon>the only bad thing is i won't be able to attach the logs
18:28<stepco>I understand that xorg doesn't need a conf file now, but can anyone give me a reason not to have one?
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18:29<amphi>stepco: I have one
18:29<azeem>stepco: less errorprone? more future-prove?
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18:29<themill>stepco: it makes changing hardware easier
18:29<amphi>stepco: if you read /var/log/Xorg.0.log you'll see what it thinks of it ;)
18:30<stepco>I can see that, but it's really tough to troubleshoot X problems without it
18:30<amphi>stepco: the log is for troubleshooting
18:30<kop>themill, stepco : Changing hardware is a good reason. May as well keep the config around, just with another name. That way you can use it if necessary but it won't get in the way.
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18:31<XCODE>Ok i need 1 question to save my life... i am logged in as a super user how do i edit a the xorg.conf i am already logged in as super user either im retarded or something or it wont save for crap
18:31<azeem>XCODE: logging in one terminal only gives your superuser there
18:31<azeem>if you run kwrite from the KDE menu, that's your regular user again
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18:32<dr|z3d>XCODE: You could run gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf
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18:32<azeem>XCODE is running kde
18:33<kop>XCODE : If your emacs and vi adverse, run nano. Read the bottom of the screen once it starts and it will tell you how to use it.
18:33<XCODE>why would i download a specific debian and not be a superuser why would u even consider to code a piece of code into an operating system to limit the owner to permissions less than an arabian women in a mens bar in saudi arabia
18:34<azeem>XCODE: did you ever have a virus on windows?
18:34<azeem>XCODE: we didn't invent this, this is Unix tradition since 1970
18:34<azeem>XCODE: now wonder why there are no Linux viruses
18:34<gpb>actually, there are
18:34<gpb>five or so
18:34<kop>XCODE: For the same reason that you have to go through more than one door to get inside a bank vault. Compartmentalization greatly enhances security.
18:34<gpb>none in the wild :)
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18:35<XCODE>ok i typed gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf and nothing happened
18:35<azeem>gpb: are you always that smart-assy?
18:35<gpb>especially when I'm tired
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18:35<gpb>like right
18:35<XCODE>so can someone please guide me to do this
18:35<fanto666>Hello, can I browse locked PDF 1.6 docs in lenny?
18:35<DaBonBon>ubuntu, fedora and most other distros have hard disks as /dev/sdX .. how come debian is still on hdX?
18:35<azeem>XCODE: it's not like editing xorg.conf will help you much
18:35<XCODE>because there isnt a single person in this universe that can simply change the resolution on a linix os
18:35<azeem>without a lot of furhter work
18:35<XCODE>why was it created then
18:36<azeem>for experts
18:36<azeem>XCODE: again, which resolution do you run currently, and which do you want?
18:36<InkBottle>azeem: I'm reading release notes and I don't find what you said about xorg.conf
18:36<amphi>xrandr doesn't work?
18:36<fanto666>all PDF browsers I tried in etch want a password
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18:36<XCODE>im in 1440 x 1050
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18:36<kop>XCODE: And by experts. It's only recently that the X development has forked and been taken over by a more egalitarian bunch.
18:36<XCODE>and i need 1440 x 900
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18:36<slush>DaBonBon: hdx = ata disk, sdx = scsi/sata disk
18:36<XCODE>its that simple
18:37<XCODE>just a simple click wont create a virus
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18:37<azeem>same holds for Windows
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18:37<XCODE>just give me simple step by step instructions of what you would do if you were me
18:37<azeem>XCODE: so, what "xrandr" say?
18:37<azeem>XCODE: as your regular user
18:38<DaBonBon>slush: right, but i think hda became sda after libata was introduced?
18:38<kop>InkBottle : I noticed that myself. But the release notes undergo refinement in the next few weeks. Regardless, you want to take the word of the upstream X developers.
18:38<XCODE>OMG xrandr says minium 640 x 400 and current is 1440 x 1050
18:38<XCODE>it worked what do i type in to make it default
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18:39<DaBonBon>azeem: could you please do me a favour? scroll up and find what error i had on trying to mount an ISO
18:39<azeem>I thought you wanted 1440 x 900 or something
18:39<DaBonBon>it was something like loop: no such file or directory
18:39<XCODE>i do
18:39<XCODE>but xrandr use to not work
18:39<XCODE>how to i tell xrandr
18:39<azeem>23:40 < DaBonBon> chealer: trying to mount it manually says "cannot setup loop device no such file or director"
18:39<XCODE>to change 1440 x 900
18:39<Astero1D>what can I play a sound in terminal with? need to setup soudns in Xchat
18:40<azeem>XCODE: what other modes are mentioned?
18:40<azeem>is there, like 1440 x 900 mentioned?
18:40<slush>DaBonBon: i'm not sure, you could have a point, but my ide disks still have hdx and my sata disks have sdx ;)
18:40<azeem>not sure why you didn't think about this yourself
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18:40<XCODE>my 1440x900 is listed
18:41<slush>and i should go to bed, so nn all
18:41<XCODE>what is the command to set my resolution to 1440x900
18:41<DaBonBon>azeem: thanks :)
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18:41<azeem>XCODE: please be less impatient
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18:41<azeem>XCODE: what display does it say you're connected at?
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18:42<azeem>like it says here
18:42<azeem>LVDS connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
18:42<adfasdf>so for anyone interested in bakcup their linux boxex, i recommend acronis, i just used and it's awesome
18:42<kop>XCODE: The manual says "xrandr -s size", I assume size would be 1440x900. But then I don't really know how this works or what would make it permanant.
18:42<adfasdf>just thought i'de share
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18:43<adfasdf>i had a init cannot execute /sbin/getty. i couldn't get any answers so i did a restore and it took about 15 minutes and it worked flawlessly
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18:43<XCODE>wow it worked for a second then set back to 1440x1005
18:43<Jpdota> Hi, I'm testing my package before making an RFS, and when I ran it through piuparts, However I get this error: E: Packages need to be removed but remove is disabled What should I do to resolve this? The package does not have any pre/postrm scripts, although it does depend on another binary package from the same source package, so maybe this is the problem?
18:43<DaBonBon>damn the bug submitted so fast i'm sure it didn't submit
18:43<azeem>00:41 < azeem> XCODE: what display does it say you're connected at?
18:43<DaBonBon>i think it was a problem in MTA from my side
18:43<DaBonBon>is a copy preserved, when i submit a bug?
18:44<kop>XCODE : Better wait than type some random command that neither you nor I knows how it works.
18:44<azeem>DaBonBon: try "mailq"
18:44<XCODE>it worked
18:44<DaBonBon>azeem: exim: permission denied
18:44<azeem>DaBonBon: as root
18:44<XCODE>i typed xrandr -s 1440x900 and it flickered for a sec was at the right resolution and then went back to the login screen
18:44<kop>DaBonBon : You may get a bounce in root's mailbox (/var/mail/root)
18:45<chealer>DaBonBon: yes. you'll have a file in /tmp
18:45<DaBonBon>azeem: shows something like 1m 20K *** frozen *** and then my email id
18:45<DaBonBon>chealer: yes i edited it, and now tht file isn't present in /tmp
18:46<DaBonBon>reportbug also said the "Copies sent to : <my email id> " but i haven't recd anything yet
18:46<XCODE>does anyone have aim here?
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18:47<kop>XCODE : Doesn't gnome have some sort of menu item on the login screen to set the resolution? I thought I saw one once.
18:47<DaBonBon>frozen means the bug is submitted right? then i can go sleep
18:47<InkBottle>kop: Right, I agree
18:47<kop>XCODE : I believe the pidgin package does aim.
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18:47<XCODE>i know i was wondering if anyone could help me on there
18:47<XCODE>so they could explain
18:47<azeem>explain what?
18:48<XCODE>how to do this xrandr thung?
18:48<chealer>DaBonBon: no. but you can still go sleep :)
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18:48<azeem>XCODE: it's unclear what your current problem is
18:48<XCODE>I installed debian on my macosx thru parralels
18:49<kop>XCODE : All xrandr is doing for certain is confirming that X knows that your desired resolution is available.
18:49<DaBonBon>chealer: umm how do i force it to send now? i will be shutting down the laptop
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18:49<azeem>XCODE: right
18:49<azeem>XCODE: what is your *current* problem
18:49<themill>Jpdota: I believe that's an error from apt-get not from piuparts.
18:49<XCODE>and now i am wanting to change mr screen resolution casue i can see my task bar
18:49<XCODE>so im at
18:49<XCODE>1440x1000 something
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18:49<XCODE>i need 1440x900
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18:50<azeem>XCODE: last time I asked you about 00:42 < azeem> 00:41 < azeem> XCODE: what display does it say you're connected at?
18:50<azeem>XCODE: as you didn't answer that I assume you fixed your resolution problme
18:50<XCODE>screen 1
18:50<chealer>DaBonBon: I don't have the command in mind, but don't worry, the mail queue is permanent
18:50<Jpdota>themill: So does that mean the package itself is fine? I thought the whole point of piuparts is to make sure it installs/uninstalls/etc?
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18:50<azeem>XCODE: please go to, and transcribe the "xrandr" output there
18:50<DaBonBon>chealer: but there is a chance i will never boot into this debian install again
18:50<kop>DaBonBon : You want to check /var/log/mail.log to see why the hasn't already sent.
18:50<azeem>XCODE: or at least quote the full line which says "connected"
18:51<themill>Jpdota: depends on how you invoked it. I'm guessing your package tries to install a dependency that conflicts with something that's already installed inside your build chroot. Perhaps. I'm taking wild stabs in the dark here...
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18:51<DaBonBon>kop: mail.log warn err info all are empty
18:51<XCODE>all it does is lists all my modes
18:51<XCODE>and it lists the modes i need 1440x900
18:51<DaBonBon>azeem: would you know, how to get exim4 to send a mail now, and not be frozen?
18:51<kop>DaBonBon : But mailq says the mail's in the queue, right?
18:52<DaBonBon>kop: it says "frozen"
18:52<azeem>DaBonBon: please don't ask people directly
18:52<azeem>if people know and have time, they answer
18:52<azeem>XCODE: how many lines of output?
18:52<DaBonBon>azeem: yes, that was a very foolish mistake!! sorry.
18:52<Jpdota>themill: Is there some information I could give you that would help you see what's going on?
18:53<chealer>DaBonBon: exim -M foo
18:53<kop>DaBonBon : What I would try (being someone who prefers postfix) is to "dpkg-reconfigure exim4". I'd guess it'd ask you what it needs to know to turn itself on.
18:53<azeem>XCODE: any lines with "connected" or "disconnected"?
18:53<themill>Jpdota: can you pastebin the debian/control?
18:53<azeem>it's dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config I thinkg
18:53<XCODE>default connect 1440x1050+0+0 0mm x 0mm
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18:53<azeem>XCODE: connect or connected?
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18:54<azeem>XCODE: try "xrandr --output default --mode 1440x900" then
18:54<Jpdota>themill: yes
18:55<cimo>has anyone tried to install it on USB ?
18:55<azeem>Jpdota: why the Depends: libpcap0.8?
18:55<XCODE>it did the same thing
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18:55<azeem>can you explain "the same thing" a bit betterß
18:55<XCODE>just flickered and asked me to retype my password in at the login screen
18:55<DaBonBon>kop: wonderful, that did it i think
18:55<kop>DaBonBon : It's azeem who got it right.
18:56<Jpdota>azeem: It needs it to work, it's a JNI library, which is basically a Java interface to a C/C++ library, in this case libpcap
18:56<DaBonBon>well, now the "frozen" part is gone, but the message still appears in the queue. is that correct?
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18:57<kop>DaBonBon : Maybe now there's stuff in the logs?
18:57<azeem>XCODE: I blame parallels
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18:57<DaBonBon>no, logs are blank, kop
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18:58<kop>XCODE : I get the same feeling as azeem. The hardware's not acting like real hardware. But, I don't know much about X.
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18:58<DaBonBon>what happens when the mail is sent? "mailq" shows empty?
18:59<kop>DaBonBon : chealer said "exim -M foo". You might look up what that's supposed to do in the man pages and then try it now that things are unfrozen.
18:59<kop>DaBonBon : Yes.
18:59<chealer>DaBonBon: no. did you try runq?
18:59<DaBonBon>it's supposed to mean the message id, and i typed it, and now the frozen part is gone
18:59<XCODE>how do i edit the .conf with admin priveledges thats what paralles is telling me to do
18:59<chealer>DaBonBon: that no was for "is that correct?"
18:59<azeem>XCODE: what is parallels telling you?
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19:00<DaBonBon>chealer: no difference even after running "runq"
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19:00<DaBonBon>man i really wish this bug is sent fast
19:00<XCODE>to change the xconf with admin privelegdes
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19:01<azeem>XCODE: ok, so are you saying parallels is talking to you?
19:01<azeem>XCODE: if so, what *exactly* is it saying
19:01<kop>XCODE : It's a bit behind the times then. Perhaps that is your only option. We seem to be off in parallels land here.
19:01<azeem>don't paraphrase
19:01<DaBonBon>is there anything more i can try to get the mail sent now?
19:02<DaBonBon>or atleast if i can see the contents of the mail, i'll send it manually using my gmail
19:02<XCODE>First, open up a terminal. From there, type the following:
19:02<XCODE>sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
19:02<XCODE>You might need to enter an admin's password here. You should be presented with a text window with a bunch of stuff. Ignore most of it, but look for the following:
19:02<XCODE>Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
19:02<XCODE>It'll appear several times throughout the file. Each time you see it, add your desired resolution (in your case, 1680x1050) so that it appears like the following:
19:02-!-XCODE was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
19:02<ShoesLife>i don't know where else to go
19:02<ShoesLife>can you solve me some calculus ?
19:02<azeem>ShoesLife: no
19:02<ShoesLife>Pe^x^2 dx
19:02<kop>DaBonBon : There's nothing in the log, the queue is unfrozen (whatever that means). Perhaps exim is not running? (I should give up because I don't know squat about exim.)
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19:03<DaBonBon>hmm now i know my mistake. when reportbug asked is exim configured, i said yes
19:03<DaBonBon>i should have said no
19:03<abrotman>ShoesLife: there's a #math on freenode
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19:04<kop>DaBonBon : Somebody said there's a copy in /tmp. Look and see what's there, cat it out and cut and paste into gmail if you like.
19:04<DaBonBon>can i see the contents of the mail?
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19:04<ShoesLife>thanks abrotman
19:04<DaBonBon>no it's not there in /tmp, ko
19:04<themill>ShoesLife: try #math, but you can't calculate that indefinite integral.
19:04<chealer>DaBonBon: you'll find it in /var/spool/exim4/something
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19:04<azeem>DaBonBon: exim -Mvb <msgid>
19:05<oc3>its Xcode
19:05<digitaloktay_ot> gn8 leute, people
19:05<oc3>ok how do i edit x11/xorg.conf with admin priveledges plz allow me to
19:06<azeem>oc3: somebody told you already - su then run nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf
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19:06<kop>oc3: In a terminal window type "su -", enter the root password, then type "nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf"
19:06<adama> ...I think I've lost my file associations. This has also happened for .desktop files, .drive files, ... how to get them back??
19:07<abrotman>adama: did you try to right click on the file and change the "Open With" ?
19:07<DaBonBon>azeem: thanks
19:07<kop>DaBonBon : worked?
19:07<DaBonBon>i got the original message
19:07<DaBonBon>submitting the bug again
19:08<DaBonBon>seems that there are some errors like not permittd or so
19:08<oc3>its a blank page
19:08<azeem>DaBonBon: right, your exim is likely still malconfigured
19:08<DaBonBon>now stupid bugreport is wasting my time trying to get a list of all bugs on installation-reports
19:08<kop>oc3: You typed the wrong thing after nano. exit nano and try again.
19:08<azeem>oc3: what does "ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf" say?
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19:08<DaBonBon>azeem: yes, seeing that that i have never used it before, that's quite possible
19:08<oc3>it says
19:08<oc3>GNU nano
19:08<azeem>01:07 < azeem> oc3: what does "ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf" say?
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19:09<oc3>it just types it as if im typimg it in notwepad
19:09<meshuggah>hey, i want to play some MUD games, anyone can suggest me a good client for this (on debian lenny)
19:10<azeem>oc3: what?
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19:10<oc3>it open GNU nano
19:11<oc3>and it asks me to type something in
19:11<oc3>does anyone here have a mac
19:11<DaBonBon>ok i submitted again and it said connecting to via SMTP
19:11<oc3>plz help me
19:11<azeem>I asked you
19:11<azeem>01:07 < azeem> oc3: what does "ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf" say?
19:11<oc3>it just is blank
19:11<azeem>eh, no
19:11<DaBonBon>now i'm sure it's submitted
19:11<DaBonBon>great :)
19:11<azeem>ls always returns something
19:11<DaBonBon>THANKS a lot for the help azeem, kop , and chealer
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19:12<DaBonBon>i'm off to sleep now, goodnight, and have a great day
19:12<meshuggah>bye bonbon
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19:12<oc3>shell has a little bell
19:12<oc3>that wont let me typ[e
19:13<azeem>open a new shell then
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19:14<oc3>i will pay u to plz help me
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19:15<azeem>oc3: in any case, I doubt editing xorg.conf will help if xrandr fails
19:15<azeem>but good luck
19:15<oc3>no wonder linux isnt as big as mac
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19:16<meshuggah>copy backup and delete xorg.conf, after run xinit
19:17<azeem>oc3: 00:56 < azeem> XCODE: I blame parallels
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19:19<oc3>im using vmware then
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19:21<meshuggah>oc3 : what is not working?
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19:23<meshuggah>max cavalera?
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19:24<sOUlfLy>chi mi chiama :')
19:24<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
19:24<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
19:25<meshuggah>it is not italian
19:25<meshuggah>max cavalera come from brazil(portuguese) and he rules
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19:25<azeem>meshuggah: how is that related to Debian?
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19:25<meshuggah>azeem : it is not related
19:25<azeem>meshuggah: please keep it on topic then
19:26<meshuggah>i will do my best
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19:31*dpkg pukes on meshuggah's shoes
19:31<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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19:34<meshuggah>what debian games channel should i join? there is some i am sure?
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19:35<s3a>is pyfragtools in lenny repositories?
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19:35<meshuggah>i will check
19:36<meshuggah>i didnt found in synaptic
19:36<dpkg>from memory, games is Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, quake, xevil, bzflag, the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program,, #gametome for newer games. WikiWikiWeb:LinuxGames,, jumpnbump, supertux, gtetrinet and pathogen, nethack, freeciv, dopewars,
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19:38<meshuggah>when i download a package in synaptic, is there a mean to automaticaly make a link for it in the menu?, it dont do it always
19:39<dkr>I downloaded the .deb with a demo of World of Goo and it didn't work since I didn't have glibc-2.4. :) This is the sign I needed to dist-upgrade. :)
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19:39<meshuggah>dkr : which distro do you have?
19:39<dkr>meshuggah: no, the individual package maintainer has to do it ( which is why it's a bit random)
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19:40<meshuggah>ha ok
19:40<dkr>meshuggah: well, have several systems, the home one I could run the demo on was etch
19:42<meshuggah>ok, you should upgrade to lenny, if it works easily the first time, it is only 1 hr or something...but if it is like me, you will reinstall debian 4 times before make your computer run in X and gnome
19:43<meshuggah>4 times in less than 2 days....and now i ve been given 30 minutes ago a 120gig hd, so i will need to "play" with my computer some time now..
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19:44<oc3>can u help me with my parralels problem
19:45<meshuggah>oc3 : maybe, what is your problem?
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19:47<meshuggah>oc3 : i need to go to the store fast, i will be right back in about 20 minutes
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20:06<meshuggah>i am back
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20:09<billybigrigger>can someone lend a hand here
20:09<billybigrigger>i cant uninstall wine
20:09<billybigrigger>apt-get remove wine does nothing
20:09<billybigrigger>but i know its installed
20:10<billybigrigger>wine --version spits out wine-1.0.1
20:10<abrotman>billybigrigger: dpkg -l "wine*"
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20:11<Chrono>please i need help. i have installed some packagers (tuxonice and laptop-mode and after remove, hal stopped working . anyone knows how to fix it?)
20:12<plugwash>wine is just a metapackage
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20:12<plugwash>afaict removing libwine should drag most wine stuff off your system
20:13<Chrono>(i use Debian Lenny, AMD64)
20:13<Chrono>(hal stopped working. on startup. gdm canot starts)
20:13<Odinux>I have a question
20:13<Odinux>What's wrong with that partitionning?
20:13<Odinux>1 primary 200Mb /
20:13<Odinux>2 primary 16Gb /var
20:13<Odinux>3 primary 1Gb SWAP
20:13<Odinux>5 logical 1Gb /usr
20:13<Odinux>6 logical 150Mb /home
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20:14<Odinux>what's wrong with that?
20:14<plugwash>it depends what the machine is being used for
20:15<Chrono>anyone knows why hal stopped working?
20:15<Chrono>on my problem?
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20:16<Chrono>please help
20:16<Odinux>is being used for a web server
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20:17<plugwash>odinux generally it looks ok as long as you don't keep too much crap installed and noone uses thier homedirs for much
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20:18<Odinux>the problems is if I configure like that my debian at the installation I have stage 1.5 error 15 with my GRUB
20:19<Chrono>why noone helps me?
20:19<Odinux>so I have do the all in one partition + swap and my grub have no problems
20:19<Odinux>so the problems is the partitionning
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20:19<Odinux>what wrong with that?
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20:19<paranga>please help
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20:20<abrotman>paranga: did you ask a question ?
20:21<abrotman>oh .. nick change
20:21<Odinux>hello anyone can help me with my partition problems?
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20:24<meshuggah>!slaps Odinux
20:24<abrotman>that's not nice
20:24<Odinux>Debian Lenny, Partition Problems help
20:24<meshuggah>no it is not
20:25<abrotman>Odinux: how is that a problem ?
20:25<meshuggah>i am sorry odinux
20:25<meshuggah>i dont know how to help you
20:25<meshuggah>scroll up 1 page
20:25<paranga>i have installed and removed tuxonice and laptop-mode-..
20:25<abrotman>Odinux: do not msg me
20:25<paranga>now, when start gnome it dont woks
20:26<abrotman>Odinux: i'm not going to respond in msg
20:26<Odinux>I will explain here
20:26<abrotman>paranga: try to strace it
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20:26<paranga>why noone helps me?what is it?
20:26<paranga>sorry, my english isnt good
20:26<abrotman>Odinux: i don't think your partitioning is causing the grub 15 error
20:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:27<meshuggah>paranga : if i can help someone when he asks something, i will, if i dont know how, i will keep my mouth closed...:(
20:27<Odinux>yes it does because I let Debian choose my partition and I have no problems
20:27<Odinux>1 partition + Swap
20:27<Odinux>no problems
20:27<Odinux>but when I partition my disk I have a grub 15 error
20:28<Odinux>so the problems is with my partitioning
20:28<paranga>abrotman, the strace is a debig toll?
20:28<abrotman>Odinux: put your partition table in a pastebin
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20:29<paranga>(abrotman, on Debian-BR nobody answers my question)
20:29<Odinux>What can cause error 15 if when I don't partitioning myself he doesn't do the error?
20:29<abrotman>Odinux: put your partition table in a pastebin
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20:30<abrotman>type it in?
20:30<meshuggah>paranga : speak the best iu can in english, i am sure people can read and understand
20:31<paranga>thanks man
20:31<paranga>i have a hal problem
20:31<paranga>when starts gnome
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20:31<Odinux>I cannot type it abrotman because now I dont have the problems because is only in one partition
20:31<abrotman>paranga: rm /var/cache/hald/fdi-cache .. try again
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20:32<Odinux>but when I will reinstall the debian I don't want problems anymore
20:32<abrotman>Odinux: uhm .. you pasted it above but got kicked
20:32<Odinux>2 sec
20:32<Odinux>I have posted it
20:32<meshuggah>odinux : how do you set up your partition that bugs, manually or you take the make-auto-5-or-something-partition setting
20:32<meshuggah>we can scroll up odinux
20:33<meshuggah>unless people here are all lazy
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20:33<abrotman>are you sure it all got pasted before he got kicked?
20:33<abrotman>i didn't think so ..
20:33<meshuggah>odinux : debian can make all these partition by itself
20:33<Odinux>I do it myself with the partitionning tools in the debian lenny installer
20:33<paranga>problem started when i tried to install both laptop-mode and tuxonice. after remove then, Gdm not starts on boot, and when i try start it hal dont works
20:33<meshuggah>odinux like i did yesterday...and the partition was workin
20:34<abrotman>paranga: rm /var/cache/hald/fdi-cache .. try again
20:34<meshuggah>odinux : i let lenny do the 5 or 6 partition by itself, the partition worked :)
20:34<meshuggah>oc3 : congratz
20:34<oc3>now only problem is internet
20:34<oc3>it says im connected
20:35<Odinux>ya but the problems is
20:35<meshuggah>oc3 : and ?
20:35<honschu>oc3: it?
20:35<meshuggah>odinux : what error msg do it says?
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20:35<Odinux>it's says
20:35<Odinux>I have a picture the proof
20:35<Odinux>look at that
20:36<Odinux>that's the error
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20:36<Odinux>and look at the configuration:
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20:36<Odinux>I have mount it with partedmagic to see that
20:36<paranga1>abrotman it dont works
20:37<meshuggah>odinux : wait i will try to look at them
20:37<paranga1>same error of initialize hal
20:37<abrotman>which is ?
20:37<meshuggah>they are like a little large
20:37<meshuggah>parangal :dont know, try xinit
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20:38<paranga1>i am using gnome without hal
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20:38<paranga1>no mouse, no soung
20:38<Odinux>but meshuggah like I says, if I let Debian choose itself is partition, the problems disappear and grub load like normal
20:38<Odinux>so I realize that the problems is with my partitionning at the installation who cause that
20:39<meshuggah>odinux : yea, but u said you let debian choose itself ONE partition and 1 for swap,...let him choose the 5-6 partition option
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20:39<paranga>abrotman, internal error, canot initialize hal
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20:39<Odinux>ya but
20:40<paranga>i checked all HAL dependencies, all ok
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20:40<Odinux>I want to choose myself how many Gb each partition have
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20:40<meshuggah>odinux : ya but you can change it after you let him choose i think
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20:41<paranga>please, i dont know what to do
20:41<meshuggah>odinux or try removeing the quiet part of the your .lst
20:41<Odinux>ya what is that
20:41<Odinux>do you think he can fuck all the rest?
20:42<meshuggah>but i dont have it
20:42<meshuggah>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro
20:42<meshuggah>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
20:42<meshuggah>i dont have quiet after ro
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20:42<Odinux>I will see actually if he have it with only 1 partition and a swap
20:42<abrotman>paranga: strace /etc/init.d/hal start
20:42<Odinux>I will check now 2 sec
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20:44<Odinux>yes HE have it
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20:44<paranga>abrotman i cant read all, after thne command it past so much fast
20:44<Odinux>exact same configuration like the picture
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20:45<abrotman>paranga: put it in a pastebin
20:45<paranga>cant, i have no mouse
20:45<meshuggah>odinux : i have 6 partitions
20:45<abrotman>paranga: use a CLI browser
20:46<meshuggah>you have 5 , if what you pasted before been kick was all wrote
20:46<paranga>it talks, numeric argument required
20:46<Odinux>do you see the
20:46<meshuggah>ho ok
20:47<paranga>iabrotman t talks, numeric argument required
20:47<paranga>abrotman it talks, numeric argument required
20:47<Odinux>I don't know what's causing that fuck
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20:47<pirate_tux>hi. I would like to know is Squeeze is already released or not
20:47<abrotman>paranga: check
20:47<Odinux>because it boot when he is on 1 partition and SWAP
20:48<Odinux>and He make error when I try to mannually partitioning my debian after the first reboot error 15
20:48<Odinux>I don't know what to do with that
20:48<meshuggah>odinux : let him choose 6 partitions, install, and resize after
20:48<Odinux>I tink it come from my how many MB or how many GB each partition has
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20:49<meshuggah>check how many mb it give by itself, and compare to yours setting
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20:49<Odinux>what's the lowest partition can I create by myself?
20:50<Odinux>sure I can compare but the fact is, it was working before I reformat all the computer
20:50<Odinux>and it was working with that configuration before
20:51<Odinux>For what reason he doesn't want to work now that's the question
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20:51<Odinux>I want to try first a VMWare machine with my partition first
20:51<meshuggah>odinux : it is a computer...
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20:52<meshuggah>try changing the order your bios boot
20:52<Odinux>I will try it in a VMWARE machine with my partition / 200MB , /var 16GB like I do before
20:52<meshuggah>make your hd first
20:52<Odinux>I try HD only and he does the same error
20:52<meshuggah>i ve found this solution in google :)
20:53<Odinux>It's fucking bizzare because the hd is in the primary master.
20:53<Odinux>it's not supposed to have a problems with that
20:53<Odinux>I will try with vmware now
20:54<Odinux>I will see if he work with vmware with the exact configuration
20:54<pirate_tux>hi people. I would like to know is Squeeze is already released or not
20:54<Odinux>I dont know what to say if it work here and not at the other com
20:54<meshuggah>i think it is because it dont find a stage1/2/3 file
20:54<meshuggah>(google said me that)
20:54<meshuggah>lenny has been released
20:54<chealer>!when will squeeze release
20:54<dpkg>There is no estimate for the release of <squeeze> currently. Subscribe to <d-d-a> to get news on the topic.
20:54<Odinux>yes but it is like you see with the 2st picture
20:55<Odinux>when I was going in the grub folder everything was here
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20:55<Odinux>also stage1 ...
20:55<meshuggah>in a webpage it says it is because it dont find a stageX file
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20:56<pirate_tux>meshuggah: I am using Debian Lenny. Can I already change my apt sources.list entries to point to "squeeze", or should I wait a little bi more (say a couple of weeks or months) ?
20:56<LL10>Odinux, read on fr chan
20:57<meshuggah>pirate : i think you should wait some weeks
20:58<pirate_tux>meshuggah: thanks for your advice. I will wait.
20:59<meshuggah>pirate : lenny went out less than 2 days ago
20:59<meshuggah>wait a month or something
20:59<honschu>in 10 days the cronjob will copy from sid to squeeze
20:59<meshuggah>so, maybe 2 weeks
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21:00<pirate_tux>meshuggah: all I will need to do is to change the source-list entries to point to "squeeze" ?
21:00<amphi>honschu: heh
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21:02<meshuggah>pirate : you will also need to update some things
21:02<pirate_tux>meshuggah: update what king of things?
21:02<pirate_tux>meshuggah: update what kind of things?
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21:02<meshuggah>all the things that has been updated to squeeze
21:03<paranga>no similar errors abrotman
21:03<meshuggah>odinux : ?
21:04<pirate_tux>meshuggah: Ok, so I will only need to change the sources.list entries and then do an "aptitude uodate" followed by an "aptitude full-upgrade" ?
21:04<paranga>abrotman, its secure aptitude remove hal and aptitude install hal?
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21:05<abrotman>paranga: aptitude reinstall hal
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21:06<paranga>please, can the one who answer my question answer it again?
21:07<paranga>i have problem here
21:07<meshuggah>pirate :i think it should be better this way : aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade
21:08<paranga>(i had a problem before read the answer, please talk it again...)
21:08<paranga>its secure aptitude remove hal, then aptitude install hal?
21:08<dr|z3d><abrotman> paranga: aptitude reinstall hal
21:08<pirate_tux>meshuggah: Ok, I will follow your advice. Thank you for all your help!
21:08<paranga>ok, ill try
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21:09<meshuggah>pirate :it wasnt much
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21:09<dr|z3d>aptitude install aptitude will do precisely nothing, meshuggah
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21:10<meshuggah>dr : maybe i type too fast :)
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21:11<dr|z3d>pirate_tux: If you update your sources, either aptitude update or dselect update are fine.
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21:11<dr|z3d>pirate_tux: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade is fine, also.
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21:13<pirate_tux>dr|z3d: ok, but I think doing the thinks as meshuggah as told is more secure
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21:17<pirate_tux>dr|z3d: Besides I have now remembered I have a bookmark which recommends to do the upgrades in the manner meshuggah as told... Look at this link:
21:17<pirate_tux>I mean "has told"
21:18<meshuggah>pirate : it should works, the worst things is that you will simply reinstall it, like i did 4 times in 2 days, it is fun
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21:19<pirate_tux>meshuggah: do you mean format and reinstall the system from zero??? I don't want to do that...
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21:20<lanceallott>i think you should change lenny to stable, in apt-sources list
21:20<meshuggah>pirate : 1)it will works
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21:21<abrotman>meshuggah: try pirat<tab>
21:22<meshuggah>abrotman : like in terminal :) i am not used to :) thank
21:22<meshuggah>abrotman, hey hi
21:23<pirate_tux>abrotman: I didn't know we could complete de nicks just like in the terminal! THis is great. Hey, you know everything, don«t you?
21:23<abrotman>uh .. no
21:24<meshuggah>pirate_tux, yes he knows...
21:24<amdgoon>I used to, when I was 17
21:24<amdgoon>then I got older
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21:25<pirate_tux>meshuggah: Yeah, we knows ALMOST everything. He just doesn't konw he knows everything :)
21:26<pirate_tux>I mean he knows
21:26<lanceallott>the only thing I know, is that I don't know
21:26<pirate_tux>lanceallott: socrates
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21:27<lanceallott>pirate_tux: really!! I didn't know that
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21:27<paranga>hey abrotman, i discovered that the error is on Dbus
21:27<pirate_tux>lanceallott lol
21:28<paranga>its why hal dont works
21:28<Astero1D>my Xchat does not play sounds, I want to test the application setting (external aplication to use in xchat for sounds) what could I use?
21:28<abrotman>paranga: is dbus installed ?
21:28<paranga>yes, but bugged
21:28<abrotman>and libdbus-1-3 ?
21:29<paranga>all dependencies of hal are installed
21:29<paranga>dbus error 255
21:29<abrotman>paranga: and if you /etc/init.d/dbus restart ?
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21:31<paranga> line 269 Stopping: numeric argument required
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21:33<paranga>please search error for me, i have no way to enter sites anymore
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21:33<abrotman>paranga: do you ahve slashy or usplash isntalled ?
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21:33<lanceallott>maybe the higher the number the more verbose the error msg.
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21:34<paranga>i wasplashy
21:34<abrotman>paranga: do you actually use it ?
21:34<paranga>no, i was triing to fix an hibernate problem with it
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21:34<abrotman>can you uninstall it ?
21:35<abrotman>splashy and usplash are the only packages that have that .sh file
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21:35*abrotman wonders how splashy would fix a hibernate problem ..
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21:36<meshuggah>oops, sorry
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21:36<paranga>but what are exatly this funcions ?
21:36<paranga>just images?
21:36<leo__>can someone type my name? checking xchat sound config
21:36<leo__>paranga, cool, thanks
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21:37<paranga>abrotman, i have removed then
21:37<paranga>i have to restart now?
21:38<abrotman>try to restart dbus now
21:38<paranga>some error
21:38<abrotman>same ?
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21:39<pirate_tux>I need to sleep. bye
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21:39<abrotman>paranga: same exact error ?
21:39<meshuggah>good night
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21:39<paranga>same line, same error
21:39<abrotman>paranga: dpkg -P splashy
21:39<HookAndReel>Can anyone help me figure out how to connect to the internet wirelessly? I just installed Debian and I'm a complete novice at Linux.
21:39<abrotman>HookAndReel: we need to know your wifi chipset
21:40<abrotman>paranga: restart dbus
21:40<HookAndReel>I have a DWL-520+ DLink
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21:40<dpkg>Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111 wireless network chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx100/111 drivers ( Packaged for Debian as 'acx100-source', installation instructions available at Also ask me about <acx100 firmware>. Device matrix: #acx100 @
21:40<paranga>abrotman, god thank you
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21:41<Wilduck>question: Is it normal that I can watch, but not hear youtube videos in iceweasel?
21:41<abrotman>make sure all your volume levels are up
21:41<Wilduck>or other flash videos
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21:41<Wilduck>actually, it loops the first 1/4 sec of the sound
21:41<Wilduck>it's really annoying
21:42<Wilduck>sounds like (woowoowoo...)
21:42<abrotman>paranga: all fixed up ?
21:42<abrotman>Wilduck: a britney spears song ?
21:42<Wilduck>I installed a flash plugin by myself
21:42<Wilduck>maybe I screwed that up?
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21:42<abrotman>on lenny? i386?
21:43<abrotman>flash10 ?
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21:43<abrotman>any other sound do that ?
21:43<Wilduck>not mplayer
21:43<Wilduck>but all flash videos
21:43<abrotman>i normally just grab the tar.gz from adobe and drop the .so in the plugins directory
21:43<Wilduck>although, seeqpod works...
21:43<Wilduck>don't know if that's flash
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21:43<Wilduck>that's pretty much what I did
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21:44<Wilduck>it had a couple more steps...
21:44<abrotman>i can only think someting is wrong with your sound setup
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21:44<Wilduck>I've thought that too
21:44<Wilduck>I didn't have sound for a while
21:44<paranga>thanks abrotman, all working
21:44<Wilduck>had to mess around with some drivers when I first set this up
21:44<abrotman>have you tried as another user ?
21:45<Wilduck>only this user and root
21:45<abrotman>paranga: glad to hear it .. glad you did some digging on your own too :)
21:45<abrotman>Wilduck: same for both ?
21:45<abrotman>flash as root *shudder*
21:46<Wilduck>do you think I should mess with my drivers again?
21:46<Wilduck>or is there a good way to trouble shoot this?
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21:46<abrotman>Wilduck: try another website with a different flash player besides youtube ?
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21:46<Wilduck>yeah, I've tried quite a few
21:47<Wilduck>I don't know if is flash
21:47<Wilduck>but that works
21:47<Wilduck>it seems to be anything with video and sound
21:47<Wilduck>doesn't work
21:47<abrotman>Wilduck: .. same with those videos ?
21:47<paranga>can you help me with another error? the error i was trying to fix before, when i hibernate(suspend to disk), all works, but after loading snapshot when turn on, it freezes
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21:48<abrotman>that i can't help with
21:48<abrotman>!suspend troubleshooting
21:48<dpkg>A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp.
21:48<randu>hey guys do you know if pci and pci express slots are the same? i want it for a game/video card
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21:49<Wilduck>That one has no sound, but the video also stops playing every couple seconds, unless I move the navigation bar
21:49<enouf>randu: they are not
21:49<abrotman>Wilduck: tried another browser ? a webkit one perhaps ?
21:49<dr|z3d>randu: They couldn't be more different, from a graphics card pov.
21:49<randu>enouf, so the game card woult go on a pci slot if it need pci express right?
21:49<enouf>AGP is more closely related to PCI, and so is even PCI-X, but not PCIe (PCI-Express)
21:49<Wilduck>a webkit browser?
21:49<Wilduck>not sure what that is...
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21:50<enouf>randu: no, it would go into the PCIe slot - see - see
21:50<abrotman>Wilduck: using gnome or kde ?
21:50<dpkg>i guess pci-e is PCI Express, an expansion card interface format. Not to be confused with <PCI-X>.
21:50<dr|z3d>randu: pci is best avoided these days.
21:50*abrotman blames arts
21:50<dr|z3d>randu: (In respect of graphics cards)
21:50<abrotman>Wilduck: something like konqueror
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21:51<Wilduck>konqueror has no flash capabilities at the moment
21:51<abrotman>it sure should
21:51<Wilduck>(grey box)
21:51*abrotman looks at enouf
21:51<abrotman>Wilduck: ah .. that's different
21:51<enouf>Wilduck: yours? mine does
21:51<enouf>enable plugins
21:51<abrotman>Wilduck: readlink /etc/alternatives/ ?
21:51<enouf>grey? white? brown? green? ..
21:51<randu>dr|z3d, k ill keep it in mind thx
21:51<randu>enouf, thx mate
21:52<enouf>randu: /msg dpkg what's my hardware
21:52<enouf>so you can see your system hardware ., and know what you have .. and try your motherboard manuals ;-)
21:52<lanceallott>I'am running Iceape and flash works great for me
21:53<Wilduck>there's a in that directory
21:53<randu>enouf, kool thx
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21:53<enouf>abrotman: fwiw - i only used it a few times, on the same site (for some news)
21:53<dr|z3d>Sometimes flash can get borked, especially after a Firefox/Ice* upgrade.. worth trying a reinstall of Flash.
21:53<enouf>randu: np ;-)
21:54<Wilduck>I guess
21:54<abrotman>Wilduck: there should be a /etc/alternatives/
21:55<Wilduck>truth, i found it
21:55<skismatik>Shopping for a new web server. What is debians support life cycle? or is it perpetual How does it compare to say ubuntu servers LTS (Long Term Support) release? Or... dare i say Fedora/openSUSE sitting at around 2 years.
21:56<skismatik>LTS is 5 years
21:56<skismatik>my current web server was in service for 3 years. that is a min 4 me.
21:56<abrotman>Wilduck: and what does it point to ?
21:56<enouf>skismatik: usually 1 year after Stable becomes oldstable - IINM
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21:56<enouf>skismatik: Etch just became oldstable - it was released in April 2007
21:57<enouf>skismatik: so, add 1 yr to now, and you get?
21:57<skismatik>enouf so... as a comparison about 2 years?
21:57<Wilduck>point to?
21:57<Wilduck>it's a binary isn't it?
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21:57<abrotman>Wilduck: no .. ls -l /etc/alternatives/
21:57<enouf>4/2007 -> 2/2010 == ?
21:58<skismatik>? = 3++
21:58<enouf>skismatik: /msg dpkg releases .... just about 3 yrs, a little under i'd say
21:58<Wilduck>oh, crazy... : /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/
21:58<skismatik>ok thats helpfull... I couldn't seem to find that at
21:58<dpkg>hwinfo is, like, your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles
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22:00<abrotman>Wilduck: what you want to do is setup the alternatives system to have the ability to point to the one you installed
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22:00<Wilduck>that sounds difficult
22:01<abrotman>give me a moment :)
22:01<bailinphil>good evening, i don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but i wonder if anyone's ever seen an input device essentially disable all others in xorg's X server?
22:01<bailinphil>in my case, when i add an elo touchscreen's config to my xorg.conf and start x
22:01<bailinphil>everything's fine, until i touch the screen
22:02<abrotman>update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ <full path to your> 10
22:02<bailinphil>at which point the keyboard and mouse essentially cease to exist
22:02<abrotman>i think that's right
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22:03<Wilduck>now to find where my is =P
22:03<abrotman>Wilduck: you put it there!
22:03<Wilduck>I know! That was weeks ago!
22:03<dr|z3d>Wilduck: try: locate <filename>
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22:04<abrotman>Wilduck: locate
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22:04<bailinphil>is there a better channel to ask such a specific question as mine, like #xorg or something?
22:04<Wilduck>I found it
22:05<abrotman>Wilduck: let me know when you've done that
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22:05<bailinphil>i'm also curious as to why xorg.conf is so much shorter for lenny than it was for etch?
22:05<dondelelcaro>bailinphil: because X has gotten much better at figuring things out on its own
22:06*bailinphil pats X on the back
22:06<bailinphil>but i can still add my own InputDevice and ServerConfig to it just like before, i guess?
22:06<bailinphil>it doesn't seem to complain
22:07<Wilduck>well, bash told me "update-alternatives: command not found" should there be a space ther?
22:07<abrotman>Wilduck: as root
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22:07<randu>ok um is pci express slot and pci express 2.0 the same slots?
22:07<randu>or whats the difference
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22:08<dr|z3d>randu: The difference is speed.
22:09<Wilduck>I think it needs a priority...
22:09<abrotman>that's what the 10 is on the end
22:09<Wilduck>missed that...
22:09<randu>dr|z3d, so if i have the pci express slot will pci express 2.0 go in it?
22:09<randu>and work?
22:09<Wilduck>not sure what that did, but there were no errors
22:09<dr|z3d>randu: Think usb and usb2, or agp2x and agp4x.. same deal, essentially.
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22:10<abrotman>Wilduck: update-alternatives --config .. pick the one that is
22:10<dr|z3d>randu: No. You'll need a pci express 2 slot to support a pci2ex card.
22:10<Wilduck>wait what?
22:10<bailinphil>this link says otherwise
22:11<abrotman>Wilduck: when you run `update-alternatives --config` .. it shold give you a few options .. choose the one that is
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22:11<bailinphil>but i'm just googling it for the first time myself
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22:11<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: pci express v2 should be backwards compatible
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22:11<Wilduck>ok, that's done
22:11<dr|z3d>bailinphil: Fair enough, I was given to understand pciex2 wasn't backward compatible.
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22:12<randu>how do i determine if my motherboard has pci e 2 slot or what ever it has
22:12<randu>dr|z3d, so how do i determine if my motherboard has pci e 2 slot or what ever it has
22:12<dr|z3d>dondelelcaro: Okeydoke. I stand corrected.
22:12<abrotman>Wilduck: restart your browser (kill *all* of them)
22:12<bailinphil>could be, like i said i'm a total nub, had never heard of PCI-E 2 so i googled it out of reflex
22:12<paranga>abrotman, i need your opinion about it: Since last month i was using Lenny testing. Now it is stable, but i like dynamically of testing. My question is: Shoud i try squeeze ? I was happy with Lenny testing, but can starting testing be more difficult?
22:12<dondelelcaro>dr|z3d: though apparently there are some chipsets where this isn't the case; the specification was designed that way, though
22:12<kabarsedge>randu: Why don't you just open your case and look at the motherboard
22:12<bailinphil>well, total nub for that spec
22:12<abrotman>paranga: i'd wait a bit
22:12<dr|z3d>randu: google for the specs of the board.
22:13<abrotman>paranga: sometimes the period after a release makes 'testing' a bit iffy for normal users
22:13<bailinphil>so can anyone help point me in the right direction for information with my touchscreen / X problem?
22:13<paranga>ok, i understand
22:13<bailinphil>if not, no worries, i know how to dig
22:13<dr|z3d>dondelelcaro: Ah, ok. I assumed the same for pciX as for AGP.
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22:14<lanceallott>lspci -v
22:14<abrotman>Wilduck: working better ?
22:14<randu>dr|z3d, k thx
22:14<Wilduck>still trying to kill all the iceweasels
22:14<bailinphil>that for me lance?
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22:14<lanceallott>bailinphil: yes
22:14*abrotman can't believe it takes that long :)
22:14<dondelelcaro>heh; pcix is totally different from pcie
22:14<bailinphil>ok, brb, thank you
22:15<meshuggah>!grub error
22:15<Wilduck>It works!
22:16<Wilduck>I honestly thought it wouldn't!
22:16<meshuggah>someone knows how work grub and how to resolve his problems?
22:16<abrotman>Wilduck: you doubted me ?
22:16<Wilduck>I doubted me
22:16<Wilduck>thanks so much
22:16<Wilduck>how did you know how that would work?
22:16<meshuggah>Wilduck, abrotman knows everything
22:16<Wilduck>well I'm convinced
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22:16<meshuggah>Wilduck, his name is Linus Torvald
22:17<Wilduck>wait really?
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22:17<meshuggah>he doesnt want that it become public, but he is
22:17<abrotman>Wilduck: because i had to work through it a long time ago
22:17<dr|z3d>Doh. Everyone knows Linus uses Redhat!
22:17<Wilduck>well thank you
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22:17<abrotman>though i guess someone should update the wiki :)
22:18<meshuggah>abrotman, grub error 2 ? what is it and how to resolve its problem
22:18<abrotman>!grub errors
22:18<dpkg>i heard grub.errors is grub error X? go to to find out what it means
22:18*abrotman runs
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22:19<lanceallott>abrotman: is there a way to get the quick launch bottons on my interet
22:19<lanceallott>to work
22:19<abrotman>your keyboard ?
22:19<abrotman>i've heard some people use the lineakd package
22:20<abrotman>!info lineakd stable
22:20<dpkg>lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB
22:20<lanceallott>its and iogear usb keyboark
22:20<abrotman>keyboark indeed
22:21*dr|z3d chuckles.
22:21<lanceallott>thanks I'll check it out
22:21<bailinphil>in that listing, i'd hope to see the touchscreen on /dev/tty0
22:21<bailinphil>it's on a serial port
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22:21<bailinphil>i don't notice anything right away
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22:22<bailinphil>it's an ELO touchscreen
22:22<bailinphil>now, like i said, if i actually touch it the mouse will move around, but i'll lose keyboard and mouse
22:23<bailinphil>also, i can't "click" on things with the touchscreen, but it does know how to move the mouse around and follow my finger
22:23<bailinphil>so that's something
22:24<bailinphil>here's my xorg.conf
22:24<lanceallott>!info lineakd stable
22:24<dpkg>lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB
22:25<bailinphil>and my X log:
22:25<bailinphil>which says that it's finding the screen
22:26<bailinphil>i was hoping to find something along the lines of, "hey idiot, that touchscreen's interrupts are set to the same channel as your mouse" or something to that effect
22:26<bailinphil>but nothing amazing pops out at me
22:28<bailinphil>i misspoke above, i meant /dev/ttyS0
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22:33<dpkg>[evil] closed, proprietary software
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22:33<bailinphil>actually, if you happen to be looking at this lance, check out lines 820 and 821 of the log
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22:34<bailinphil>it's odd how that mention of /dev/ttyS0 comes right after the information line about the mouse
22:34<bailinphil>i don't see it anywhere else
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22:34<bailinphil>but the mouse was configured above to be /dev/input/mice
22:35<abrotman>simonrvn: you'll never find that person .. no way!
22:37<Astero1D>I installed Amarok ok Gnome, and it installed bunch of KDE stuff into my applications -> other list, now I removed amarok but stuff is still there (some KDE stuff too), how do I get rid of this junk?
22:37<bailinphil>just from the menu?
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22:37<Astero1D>bailinphil, no, remove from system
22:38<bailinphil>oh, i usually use "dpkg --remove <blah package>"
22:38<bailinphil>or --purge
22:38<bailinphil>i'm not sure if that's textbook though
22:38<dr|z3d>Astero1D: You'd be better installing Exaile if you want a GTK experience akin to Amarok.
22:39<dr|z3d>Astero1D: Or possibly Songbird.
22:39<Astero1D>dr|z3d, I will get Exaile, but for now want to get rid of KDE stuff that Amarok installed
22:39<bailinphil>and "dpkg --list | grep Amarok" to find out whatall packages Amarok's got around
22:39<lanceallott>bailinphil: is it a usb mouse or ps/2 mouse
22:39<kop>Astero1D : The etch recommendation was to use aptitude for installs and uninstalls, and then all dependencies would be removed when no longer needed. I don't know what the story is with lenny but I've heard that the functionality was added to apt-get. What did you use to install/uninstall?
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22:40<lanceallott>have you tried using the touchscreen with mouse unplugged
22:40<Astero1D>I think I used Gnome add remove, kop
22:40<bailinphil>listen to kop, not me Astero1D
22:40<bailinphil>i'm about to go do that lance
22:40<bailinphil>i'm pretty sure i have, and i think the results are the same
22:40<bailinphil>thanks again
22:41<kop>Astero1D : That would be synaptic? That should work like aptitude. What version of debian are you running?
22:41<bailinphil>i can just kill / restart gdm, right?
22:41<bailinphil>not the whole machine?
22:41<Astero1D>kop, Lenny
22:41<bailinphil>stop gdm, yank mouse, restart?
22:41<kop>bailinphil : Ctrl-alt-backspace kills X, then it restarts by itself.
22:41<bailinphil>yeah i know but i want to pull this mouse
22:42<bailinphil>wasn't sure if that could be done before restarting X or while it's down
22:42<kop>bailinphil : Yank mouse, restart X.
22:42<bailinphil>blah, blah, blah, i'm gonna go try some things
22:42<Astero1D>Konqueror - is it for gnome?
22:42<lanceallott>bailinphil: does the mouse attach directly to the box or into the keyboard
22:43<Astero1D>I am searching everything with KDE in synaptic
22:43<Astero1D>maybe I can remove it all
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22:43<dr|z3d>Astero1D: Be careful, you might remove stuff that leaves your system in a state.
22:43<Astero1D>dr|z3d, oh man... this sucks
22:44<kop>Astero1D : I'm not familiar with lenny yet. You should be able to "apt-cache depends amarok" (possibly after installing apt-cache) and then remove the dependinces by hand. Just the stuff that shows up in the menu.
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22:44<bailinphil>mouse attaches straight into box via usb, pulling it and restarting X did the original problem
22:44<bailinphil>i.e. keyboard works fine, then i touch the screen
22:44<bailinphil>and it no longer functions
22:45<bailinphil>and the touch part doesn't do much--for example, i can't drag windows around by their title bar
22:45<Astero1D>kop, lot of that would be something that gnome depends also I assume
22:45<kop>bailinphil : You could try searching the bug reports.
22:45<Astero1D>Is stuff with KDE description in synaptic safe to remove?
22:45<bailinphil>it may be worth mentioning that this is a live-boot lenny image
22:45<kop>Astero1D : Really, you could just remove those packages that show up in the menu.
22:46<bailinphil>that i made
22:46<dr|z3d>Astero1D: Not always.
22:46<kop>Astero1D : You didn't install anything else in the meantime that would need those packages?
22:46<Astero1D>kop, which menu?
22:46<bailinphil>but i'm doing all the touchscreen stuff after it boots normally
22:46<bailinphil>just to learn what it wants
22:46<Astero1D>kop, apt-cache depends amarok <- menu?
22:46<kop>Astero1D : The menu that has stuff in it that you don't want.
22:46<lanceallott>bailinphil: honestly i never tried touch screen stuff and any suggestions from me are just guesses
22:46<kop>Astero1D : That is a command.
22:46<bailinphil>ok, well, i'll search the bug reports as suggested, thanks
22:46<stroyan>Astero1D: You can get rid of some unused packages with "apt-get autoremove". You can also list unused packages by installing the deborphan package and running deborphan.
22:47<bailinphil>sure, that's fine lance
22:47<kop>Astero1D : You type it at the command line.
22:47<bailinphil>there is a package xserver-xorg-input-elographics which Just Worked in etch
22:47<Astero1D>ok, thanks
22:47<kop>bailinphil : It's a place to start.
22:47<Astero1D>stroyan, I'll try that
22:47<bailinphil>(after 3 days of searching for it and doing the xorg configuration myself to calibrate the screens, etc.)
22:47<bailinphil>but since then, solid as a rock
22:47<kop>bailinphil : You still have an xorg.conf?
22:48<bailinphil>now i'm trying to get set up in lenny
22:48<bailinphil>etch, or lenny?
22:48<kop>bailinphil : lenny
22:48<bailinphil>i linked to the conf i'm trying now in lenny
22:48<bailinphil>one sec, grabbing it
22:48<stroyan>Astero1D: You need "deborphan -a" to list non-library orphan packages.
22:48<kop>bailinphil : I hear that X complains in the log if you have a conf, because it's supposed to autoconfigure. Maybe your conf is messing things up and if you remove it things will work?
22:49<bailinphil> kop, thanks
22:49<bailinphil>they do, but of course the touchscreen is disabled
22:49<Astero1D>stroyan, I'm looking at deborphan content now, no kde stuff is mentioned
22:49<kop>bailinphil : Why "of course"?
22:50<bailinphil>honestly, i could almost ignore the problem if (a) the touchscreen worked with clicking and all, and (b) ctrl+alt+f1 got me back to a terminal where i could do stuff
22:50<bailinphil>oh, should X automatically discover my elo touchscreen and configure it?
22:50<bailinphil>i'm used to telling it what's what, though i've been informed that it's smarter now
22:50<kop>Astero1D : apt-cache showpkg foo shows what depends on foo, I think. So you could ask to see what depends on the packages you don't think you want. (Those that show in the menu.)
22:50<bailinphil>i also tried X -configure earlier
22:51<Astero1D>kop, cool
22:51<bailinphil>and it made a much larger, more detailed xorg.conf
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22:51<kop>bailinphil : I'd try letting X do it's thing by itself.
22:51<bailinphil>which also doesn't do anything with the touchscreen whatsoever
22:51<kop>bailinphil : I'm not running lenny. You might read the X log and see what it says about having a conf.
22:51<lanceallott>bailinphil: dont delete just move it someplace safe
22:52<Astero1D>I would not need kcontrol for example right? (control center for kde)
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22:52<bailinphil>haha, also linked above kop
22:52<kop>lanceallott : Good point.
22:52<bailinphil>i don't follow you lance?
22:53<lanceallott>bailinphil: make a backup copy...
22:53<bailinphil>of xorg.conf?
22:53<bailinphil>live-boot dvd, i'm only ever working in memory
22:53<bailinphil>when i break stuff i can just restart the box
22:53<bailinphil>there's no writeable media at all on there unless i mount some
22:54<lanceallott>bailinphil: thats even safer
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22:54<bailinphil>the end goal of all this is to make a kiosk with games on it in the hospital
22:54<kop>bailinphil : I don't see any complaints about having an xorg.conf. But it couldn't hurt to give the autoconfig a try.
22:54<lanceallott>bailinphil: but you still have to remove the old to rebuild the new
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22:55<bailinphil>lanceallot: xorg.conf? i had been overwriting the one in /etc/X11
22:55<bailinphil>kop: autoconfig was the first thing i did, boot it up
22:55<kop>Astero1D : Who knows. apt-cache is the program to use to find out if anything thinks it needs the program.
22:55<bailinphil>and the results of that are: keyboard, mouse work fine