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---Logopened Tue Feb 17 00:00:28 2009
00:01<kop>k-man : So, follow simonrvn's suggestion and aptitude update libdb-dev. ?
00:01<k-man>kop: yes - did that and it worked
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00:01<chealer>k-man: no, your system is broken
00:02<meshuggah>hi there
00:02<k-man>chealer: is that a joke?
00:02<kop>chealer : Tell me more.
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00:02<kop>k-man : Probably not.
00:02<kop>meshuggah : Hello
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00:02<meshuggah>kop : what's up ^
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00:03<chealer>k-man: no, see lines 8 and 9. your packages database needs to be fixed.
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00:04<k-man>chealer: how do i fix it?
00:05<jpinx>ping enouf
00:05<kop>chealer : Duh. I should have looked at the paste.
00:05<kop>k-man : The aptitude man page has something to say about it, IIRC.
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00:06<enouf>jpinx: hi
00:07<kop>k-man: Probably worth looking on the wiki too, if nobody here explains it. My guess is that you aptitude each broken package to fix it.
00:07<simonrvn>aptitude ui. easier. or, use safe-upgrade or such.
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00:08<jpinx>that was a marathon to get wifi working
00:08<meshuggah>jpinx, wooo!
00:08<jpinx>enouf: who was I to ping here?
00:08<kop>simonrvn : (I hatesies the aptitude ui.)
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00:08<titof>hello all, i'm looking for a log interpretation on quadro dual core architecture, with syslog i catch facility relativ to kern and i isolate it, but this file is just fullfilled as follow :kernel: Call Trace: <ffffffff801636e0>{__alloc_pages+740} with each kind of call trace, and then kernel: CPU 0: Hot: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0 Cold: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0, and this message polling is non stop , the file is growing ... please an idea, thos
00:08<titof>e 3 servers could freeze at random
00:08<simonrvn>kop: that's nice.
00:08<enouf>jpinx: gsimmons are you interested in some possible feedback on say for example? and how a new user might be better served? jpinx is someone who just went throught the ath5k to madwifi back and forth a few times
00:09<k-man>i hate the aptitude ui too
00:09<enouf>gsimmons: hi - his PCMCIA card is this 5:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC [168c:001a] (rev 01)
00:09<chealer>k-man: what does # apt-get check; output?
00:10<k-man>chealer: oh, i just aptituded one of the broken ones, and it seems to have fixed things
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00:10<kop>k-man: You shouldn't be paying attention to me when there's somebody around who knows what they're doing.
00:10<k-man>thanks guys for your help
00:10<chealer>k-man: OK, then please provide the new output
00:11<enouf>gsimmons: just a thought - if of no use - please ignore me (just trying to help when people can i guess ...) jpinx thank you for attempting to help out - just hang here a while - we'll get a response once he returns, or is ready to reply
00:11<kop>titof: You have 3 machines with the same problem?
00:11<chealer>k-man: oh, I see
00:11<titof>kop ... yes
00:11<titof>on one of those i turn back with a non smp processor , and it's up from 22 days
00:11<jpinx>enouf: I am not even sure how liable got this to work - how can I tell the config now that it's up and whether it's using madwifi or ath5k
00:11<k-man>chealer: err.. it seems to output nothing of interest
00:11<titof>but it's not a solution
00:12<kop>titof: I've no clue, but that sounds like the sort of thing you want to paste.
00:12<kop>!tell titof -about paste
00:12<chealer>k-man: good, I thought your original problem remained
00:13<kop>titof: If it was one box I'd tell you to run memtest86+ on it, but 3 with the same problem does not sound like hardware. (Unless you're using the wrong memory or something. ??)
00:13<k-man>chealer: no, it all seems fixed, thanks guys
00:13<enouf>jpinx: lspci -k and many other ways
00:14<enouf>jpinx: lsmod output, lshal etc
00:14<enouf>dmesg even
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00:17<jpinx>enouf: none of those mention madwifi - so I assume I'm using ath5k
00:18<enouf>jpinx: haha .. pastebin lspci -nnk
00:19<titof>kop : i up it there
00:19<jpinx>enouf: lspci -k says Kernel modules: ath5k, ath_pci
00:19<enouf>jpinx: still need to guess? :-P
00:20<jpinx>enouf: and no mention of madwifi anywhere
00:20<titof>kop : do you have a true way to determine and irq issue ?
00:20<jpinx>so - that's settled :)
00:20<enouf>jpinx: that's why i asked you over in #debian on which one eventually worked .. to wit; you replied madwifi :-/
00:21<jpinx>yea - which only proves that I haven't a clue
00:21<jpinx>teaching yourself during coffee breaks just isn't enough
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00:22<Student>can i install openoffice on Windows?
00:23<kop>titof : cat /proc/interrupts ? I'm not the one to be asking about kernel problems.
00:23<Student>i think yes
00:23<dr|z3d>Student: Sure.
00:24<Student>dr|z3d sure ;)))
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00:24<dr|z3d>Student: OpenOffice runs on Linux, OSX and Windows, and probably other platforms.
00:25<dr|z3d>If you're running Windows, though, you're in the wrong place, here.. why not try Linux, you might just enjoy it..
00:26<Student>first i am not using windows
00:26<Student>second i need that for my friend
00:26<Student>thirdly i need it on windows due to the problem with printer driver on Linux using cups
00:27<Student>so i thought it would be faster to do these sort of things under windows due to their drivers
00:27<dondelelcaro>Student: that's all fine and good, but this channel is for people using Debian, not people using Open Office on Windows
00:27<Student>dondelelcaro fine, i am using Debian
00:28<Student>so what is your point dondelelcaro ?
00:28<dondelelcaro>Student: try ##windows or on
00:28<Student>dondelelcaro well you need to chill a bit, that is all
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00:30<meshuggah>where can i see the logfile for the booting?
00:30<dondelelcaro>meshuggah: in dmesg or /var/log/dmesg
00:31<dpkg>well, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic). Always hold back packages using 'dpkg' to make sure!
00:31<meshuggah>dondelelcaro, thank
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00:45<enouf>meshuggah: you might also like /msg dpkg bootlogs
00:45<enouf>meshuggah: you might also like /msg dpkg bootlogd
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00:48<meshuggah>i cant mount my hd
00:48<meshuggah>one of the three hd
00:48<meshuggah>i tried with fstab
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00:49<gsimmons>enouf: Sorry, I've been in and out. Were you able to resolve jpinx's issue?
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00:52<imperia>hello. i got usb drive which is recognized like 2 disks. /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. how do i make them like single drive?
00:52<enouf>gsimmons: oh no prob ;-) .. er, semi-so - it works fine, but not yet when he boots up with the PCMCIA card inserted
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00:53<enouf>gsimmons: which i'm toying with right now - here's the /etc/network/interfaces (if you care to follow along on my little figure-it-out-as-you-go ride ;-))
00:56<enouf>gsimmons: i thought he might be able to give more useful feedback .. but i think now, it's not the case - anyways, he mentioned that perhaps at the top of that ath5k page one could list all the cards supported, however, i know it's not that easy to do ..... and i can easily digest the modinfo aliases output - newcomers maybe not so much so, especially when they don't even know how important the VendorID/ProductID pair is, nor even what it
00:56<enouf>like ;-)
00:59<gsimmons>enouf: Hmm? There's a list of supported devices near the end of the ath5k page. Unless that should be expanded to include every single known vendor/model iteration, which is better kept in places like, for example.
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01:04<enouf>gsimmons: no no ... modinfo aliases info is very well done, which is why when he 1st showed up and asked, i looked there and found the matching pciid and told him to try ath5k .. he obviously failed on generating a proper /interfaces file, came back later and another person in channel whom does know wifi fairly well mentioned how ath5k will load, but likely won't work - but then he finally said he wasn;t sure, once he saw it was a AR24xx
01:04<enouf>as opposed to a AR5xxx model
01:05<RossKO>ok one thing i have always noticed when i use kde is that when i try to launch kwrite or kate under su it gives me the error kedit: cannot connect to X server :0.0, although i have never experienced this in gnome, any ideas?
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01:06<jm_>!tell RossKO -about runstuffasroot
01:06<jm_>!tell RossKO about sux
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01:07<RossKO>jm_, thanks
01:08<enouf>gsimmons: but that other person also added the wireless-essid and ap lines to /interfaces, which helped make it work ;-) .. Now though ... i'm trying to get it to come up auto at boot time - and all i did so far was tell him to change "allow-hotplug ath0" -> "auto ath0" on line 13 in the paste
01:09<enouf>i'm waiting for his return ;-)
01:09<enouf>but i phear he may have fallen asleep or something :-P
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01:16<jpinx>enouf: trying to add auto ath0 before the allow-hotplug line in /etc/network/interfaces caused a search for a dhcp during boot, but without success
01:16<enouf>jpinx: ok ... hrm .. one sec
01:17<enouf>jpinx: ok, leave that one as is - and do this now;
01:17<enouf>jpinx: change line 15 to-> pre-up /sbin/iwconfig ath0 wireless-essid "texte por clave-992674665"
01:17<enouf>jpinx: change line 16 to-> pre-up /sbin/iwconfig ath0 wireless-ap 00:1B:9E:F7:FC:13
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01:18<enouf>jpinx: if that does still cause some DHCP searching it's likely a dhclient issue and config
01:18<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
01:18<enouf>jpinx: pastebin contents of that file please
01:19*enouf mentions once again, i've never used --let alone config-- any wifi :-P
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01:23<enouf>jpinx: ok that file's contents looks good
01:23<enouf>jpinx: just double check the HWaddr in ifconfig -a output of ath0 matches "00:1d:0f:b4:38:ed"
01:23<jpinx>enouf: the problem is what happens when I go to some other AP
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01:24<enouf>jpinx: that's another issue - forget about that for now ;-)
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01:37<jpinx>enouf: that didn't work either
01:38<jpinx>adding pre-up /sbin/iwconfig for the essid and the ap didn't bring it up at boot time
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01:39<enouf>jpinx: but - same messages/errors ?
01:40<enouf>jpinx: please do this; which wireless-essid
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01:41<enouf>jpinx: and this; which wireless-ap
01:41<jpinx>pre-up /sbin/iwconfig ath0 wireless-essid "texte por clave-992674665"
01:41<jpinx>pre-up /sbin/iwconfig ath0 wireless-ap 00:1B:9E:F7:FC:13
01:42<enouf>jpinx: please do this; "which wireless-essid" <== is a command
01:42<enouf>jpinx: "which wireless-ap" <== is a command
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01:44<jpinx>those were the edited lines in /etc/network/interfaces
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01:45<jpinx>those commands output nothing
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01:47<enouf>jpinx: ok
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01:48<enouf>jpinx: alter those slightly - change "wireless-essid" to just "essid"
01:48<enouf>jpinx: alter those slightly - change "wireless-ap" to just "ap"
01:48<enouf>so both
01:48<enouf>jpinx: cause i'm passing those params as options to /sbin/iwconfig now
01:49<enouf>jpinx: and the syntax isn't the same as what we had there - that's why i asked about messages/errors on boot
01:49<jpinx>nothing in dmesg and no ouput to the shortened commands here
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02:23<samurai>I need help with debian
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02:41<Dargor>samurai: what do you need help with
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04:02<rettub>since lenny upgrade on an ibm t21 I pressing <altgr><|> in X, urxvt or mrxvt will result in <ctrl><altgr><|>. So <altgr><{> will result in e.g. {a{a.text,.txt},b.txt,.hidden,ttt} the files of the curr dir
04:02<rettub>xev shows no extra <ctrl>
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04:03<rettub>~./.xmodmap: remove Lock = Caps_Lock, add mod4 = Caps_Lock
04:03<rettub>any ideas?
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04:04<rettub>ah ,I can produce the same behavior doing <ctrl><altgr><{><altgr><{> on etch
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04:06<sool1>oj db nen hj,bnt&
04:08<rettub>using 'dash' as the shell, I see: <AltGr><|> -> ^[|
04:09<rettub>so, what happend to me :)
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04:21<delly>ON UBUNTU wamp runing or not
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04:25<chealer>delly: ask #ubuntu
04:26<delly>how to install lamp
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04:29<chealer>delly: unless you're using Debian, this is the wrong channel to ask.
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04:30<cryingtux>Adobe Flash Player installation gives problem on lenny
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04:31<cryingtux>how to fix it? i have installed it both manually and from synaptic and still whenever i run opera it keeps on asking me for downloading Adobe Flash Player and i cant play any videos from youtube
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04:31<cryingtux>anybody , how to fix this?
04:31<jm_>does it work in other browsers?
04:31<cryingtux>jm_: i only have opera, no iceweasel
04:32<cryingtux>i remember i had same issue on lenny when it was in rc state
04:32<jm_>cryingtux: well try it in other browsers, we can't support opera here
04:32<cryingtux>i will install iceweasel and see
04:32<jm_>did the plugin itself install - did you verify that?
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04:33<cryingtux>jm_:the plugin is installed in "/usr/lib/opera/plugins"
04:33<cryingtux>i did exactly as given on their website
04:34<jm_>cryingtux: well then you have to talk to opera support
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04:34<cryingtux>im installing iceweasel now to see if it works on it or not
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04:35<jm_>for me opera picks up plugin from mozilla plugins dir and it has always worked fine
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04:36<cryingtux>i have installed "flashplayer-mozilla" from synaptic already
04:36<cryingtux>ok it works on iceweasel , so something is messing with opera
04:36<jm_>well FSVO fine anyway - there's shitloads of segfault messages in logs, but it seems to work on sites
04:37<themill>jm_: sounds like flash
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04:38<jm_>themill: yeah but that's only in opera, not in iceweasel for example
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04:39<vizor>hi guys!
04:40<vizor>what is the insserv way to disable services?
04:40<vizor>I need to disable laptop-mode service
04:40<figurate>hello wanted to know why all dirs under home are drwxr-xr-x, redhat has drw------
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04:41<themill>figurate: see /etc/adduser.conf
04:42<cryingtux>jm_: thanks, i got it fixed for both, opera now picks flash plugin from iceweasel as you said
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04:42<jm_>cryingtux: yeah it has search patch listed somewhere in options
04:43<figurate>ok thanks, what about /root, same thing?
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04:43<cryingtux>jm_: how do i install nvidia driver for geforce fx 5600 vga card ? thats the last thing i have to set on my lenny installation
04:43<figurate>I have been using debian since etch for the last couple of months but wondering if lenny has changed this policy
04:43<jm_>!tell cryingtux -about nvidia
04:44<jm_>cryingtux: check the wiki page dpkg told you about
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04:44<cryingtux>jm_: thanks
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04:49<stuart>can someone plse tell me how to change screen resolution in Debian 5 (options above 800x600 not listed)
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04:51<blarson>!tell stuart about anybody
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04:52<jm_>stuart: someone probably can
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04:53<stuart>help plse changing screen resolution when desired setting is not listed
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04:53<EmleyMoor>If it's not listed it usually means it's not supported
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04:54<jm_>check your X logfile to find out what driver has figured out by asking your monitor
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04:54<stuart>well 800x600... the laptop is good for 1024x768 and to make matters worse I'm connected to a bigger monitor via a KVM switch --- have used higher resolutions via Windows
04:55<stuart>so it's possible, just don't know how to achieve it
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04:56<stuart>i mean, the hardware supports it
04:57<stuart>is there a way to manually force resolution eg. by editing a config file?
04:57<jm_>depends on driver
04:58<stuart>dunno...some proprietary laptop thing most likely (not an nvidia or something mainstream like that)
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04:59<stuart>the point is even other linux versions have run at 1280x1024, but dpkg reconfigure command doesn't work anymore
05:00<jm_>like I said, look in the logfile
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05:01<stuart>where/what is that file called?
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05:05<stuart>mmm... not sure what I'm looking info scattered all over the file BUT there is reference to a trident video card (which I now remember it is) and a lot of modes not in use "not using default mode such and such"
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05:07<stuart>can i directly affect the vsync and hsync range to match my monitor?
05:08<jm_>maybe driver doesn't do DDC - yeah in that case you'll want to enter vsync/hsync ranges so the driver can picku the best mode
05:08<jm_>pick up
05:08<stuart>so i should try editing that file?
05:09<jm_>that file being?
05:09<stuart>the log file you told me to look at
05:09<jm_>no, you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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05:10<stuart>ah... thanks. Will give that a go. - back in a few minutes
05:10<jm_>you can also paste your log on some pastebin
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05:13<stuart>thanks -- let me take pot luck and see if I hit the jackpot
05:16<stuart>ummm ok not a good idea -- the xorg.conf file is almost empty -- no direct mention of hsync and vsync. How can I post my file?the
05:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
05:21<stuart>Contents of xorg.conf
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05:25<stuart>log file
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05:27<jm_>yeah specify it in the monitor section
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05:32<cmot>Anybody here can recommend a small (==cheap-ish) b/w laser printer that works flawlessly with Debian? etch is preferred, which would probably mean postscript...
05:32<cmot>HP has unfortunately stopped making the 1022.
05:33<jm_>we have samsung at work, works great
05:33<themill>cmot: the HP P-series printers work very well -- I have an hp p2015d.
05:33<jm_>but this one is not cheap (color & jetdirect)
05:33<jm_>colour even
05:34<jm_>and other samsuns work with CUPS too
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05:35<mayank>no audio only video on vlc player...why?
05:36<mayank>no audio only video on vlc player...why?
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05:36<stuart>not sure what to put monitor specs follow
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05:37<stuart>Horizontal Frequency (KHz) 31 - 81
05:37<cmot>anybody has experience with Lexmark E120N?
05:37<stuart>Vertical Frequency (Hz) 56 - 76
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05:37<jm_>adjust the numbers
05:37<cmot>themill, thanks, but I prefer to stay away from inkjets, they tend to be too expensive in the long run.
05:39<themill>cmot: it's a laser printer
05:39<cmot>themill, sorry, I was reading jm_'s comment. jetdirect is ink. so he was wrong; I did not check myself.
05:40<jm_>cmot: you obviously have no idea what jetdirect is or does
05:40<themill>cmot: use to see how good printer support is
05:41<cmot>jm_, Arrgh. No, I *do* have an idea. I'm just confused. JETdirect != DeskJET :-/
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05:41<cmot>Mea Culpa
05:41<themill>!confuse cmot
05:41<dpkg>No, those is our pineapple tomorrow, cmot? breeches of the republic of swaziland with extra ham
05:41<jm_>cmot: indeed, it just provides LAN access
05:41<cmot>themill, ah, c'mon, no need to drag dpkg into this conversation.
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05:42<stuart>jm_: thank you. That worked a treat
05:42<Bleupomme>hello I just installed lenny in a VM but I cannot find out how you change the screen resolution. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not let you change it
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05:46<jm_>Bleupomme: check which modes xrandr lists
05:46<stuart>thanks again jm_
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05:46<jm_>stuart: np
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05:48<Bleupomme>jm_: thank you I will check
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06:04<slush>angelo12981818283: wow, what a great way for an enterance
06:05<slush>now, behave and talk english .. you can ask your question or just idle if you just wanna enjoy the chatter
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06:07<adri>hi all i have a simple question
06:07<adri>i have a 4 GB RAM ddr2
06:07<adri>BUT dEBIAN SHOW ME ONLY 3.1 gb
06:07<adri>why ?
06:08<Torsten_W>adri: install 64bit debian
06:08<adri>64 ?
06:08<Torsten_W>adri: or install an bigsmp-kernel
06:08<adri>64 bit versions is are buggy
06:08<slush>adri: if you talk about windows :)
06:08<adri>my processor support 64 bit versions bu i choise 32 bit
06:09<adri>no debian 5.0 lenny :)
06:09<adri>its fun :)
06:09<jm_>you need bigmem kernel, not bigsmp
06:09<adri>its not windows xp
06:09<adri>ok i try
06:10<adri>hm not found bigsmp-kernel
06:10<adri>its a 2.6.26-1 686
06:11<adri>some gnome system sound not working
06:11<adri>i dont know why
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06:11<jm_>i recommend you read your screen again
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06:11<adri>ok thanks boys
06:11<adri>have a nice day
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06:16<figurate>cmot: brother mfc-215 works fine with etch/lenny
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06:30<cryingtux>jm_: would you please help me with a step in nvidia driver isntallation?
06:30<EmleyMoor>Is tehe a list of the readily supported netbooks?
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06:31<cryingtux>im stuck with "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source"
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06:31<jm_>it's m-a prepare ; m-a a-i nvidia
06:31<cryingtux>nvidia-kernel${VERSION} what do i put for the version part?
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06:32<cryingtux>im running lenny stable with 2.6.26-1-686 kernel
06:33<Dargor>`uname -r`
06:33<Dargor>oh na that wont be it
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06:34<EmleyMoor>cryingtux: Did you see what jm_ said?
06:34<cryingtux>EmleyMoor: yes and the " m-a a-i nvidia" part gives error, asking for source
06:34<jm_>you need to add non-free to sources.list
06:35<cryingtux>jm_: i have added those already
06:35<jm_>cryingtux: paste the error on pastebin
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06:35<Dargor>did you apt-get update?
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06:37<cryingtux>jm_: ok i ran it again and this time is downloading around 40mb files
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06:39<cortana>in a shell script, how can I test whether a string starts with a given substring?
06:39<cortana>the =~ operator stopped working in lenny.
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06:41<philsf>isn't this a perl thing?
06:41<koollman>cortana: stopped working with which message ?
06:41<cortana>koollman, no message, it just doesnt' work any more
06:41<koollman>(I think it's supported by bash, not by sh)
06:41<cortana>actually I have realised what happened
06:42<cortana>in bash 3.1, this works: [[ foo =~ '^foo' ]]
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06:42<jm_>there's always variable expansion that can be used
06:42<cortana>however in bash 3.2 it no longer matches; however this works: [[ foo =~ ^foo ]]
06:42<cortana>i wonder if I should file a bug
06:42<goodxandros>i heard ruby is going to sweep the language script nation
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06:42<karl_>hi all, i am currently on ubuntu but want to go back to debian
06:43<koollman>cortana: definitely a bug
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06:43<karl_>anyone know how to install debian into a encrypted setup ?
06:43<cortana>what severity though, i wonder
06:43<koollman>normal if you do not know.
06:43<cortana>there's really no point filing it if it's non-rc as it will never be fixed
06:43<philsf>karl_: it's supported by d-i
06:44<karl_>i know its supported to install the encrypted setup, thats how i did it, but now i want to install debian into the existing setup without deleting all my data
06:45<karl_>basically i need to mount the lvm and the partitions in the installer and tell it where to install what
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06:45<karl_>i am not sure how the encrypted setup works, it seems to mount /boot from a partition outside the encrypted lvm
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06:45<goodxandros>karl_: thats toughf
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06:45<karl_>but somehow this must be known by the kernel and initramfs at boot time
06:46<karl_>i know, usually i would just mirror my data, wipe the hd and put my data back
06:46<karl_>but i would like to do it differently this time, it should be possible me thinks
06:46<mahogny>debian 5.0, installed openjdk-6-jdk and jre. but where is the command "java"? isn't there a command like update-java-alternatives or something?
06:47<mahogny>or am I forced to make a symlink manually?
06:47<karl_>(saves me from transferring 400gb of data via usb...
06:47<goodxandros>id find out all my hardware first befor even thinking of other proobs installing debian
06:47<Lance4>I HAVE GOT DEBIAN UPDATED TO 5.0 WHOO! but... now how do I install the Second Life Viewer, Open Metaverse Viewer, for PPC Debian 5.0??
06:47<Torsten_W>mahogny: update-alternatives --config java
06:48<cryingtux>jm_: the "m-a prepare ; m-a a-i nvidia" step has completed
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06:48<mahogny>Torsten_W, update-alternatives does not exist
06:49<philsf>karl_: have you tried booting the install disc to see if it can mount the system?
06:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 398] by debhelper
06:49<mahogny>aha. su
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06:49<Lance4>can anyone help me?
06:49<mahogny>Torsten_W, thanks
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06:49<karl_>philsf: yes i have tried that before, it wipes the lvm
06:49<cryingtux>do i need to run the step 3 given in documentations?
06:49<philsf>karl_: no it doesn't
06:49<OdyX>Hi - I have a short english comprehension question: I received an SMS "Was ill - call u" - Does it mean that he will call me (i.e. I will call you) or that I have to call him (Call, You) ?
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06:50<philsf>karl_: only if you use guided setup. you must choose manual partition
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06:51<philsf>!caps | lance4
06:51<Lance4>?? sorry
06:51<Lance4>I just want some help thats all
06:52<Torsten_W>Lance4: is it in debian? no
06:52<philsf>this is considered rude, since it appears as you were shouting
06:52<goodxandros>i dont get upset if no one does help Lance4
06:52<Torsten_W>Lance4: because those apps are not in debian, wrong channel
06:52<goodxandros>they owe me nada
06:52<karl_>philsf: even in manual setup it sets up a new lvm, i was unable to mount it
06:52<Lance4>they aren't?
06:53<philsf>karl_: I just did this, it's possible
06:53<karl_>philsf: and that still leaves the initramfs and /boot mounting
06:53<philsf>karl_: I mean, the lvm part, not encrypted
06:53<karl_>philsf: could you write a small text on what you did ?
06:53<philsf>karl_: no need, it's veru simple
06:53<philsf>karl_: sec.
06:53<Lance4>on the site it says open metaverse viewer is
06:54<cryingtux>jm_: im patiently waiting for your reply
06:55<jm_>cryingtux: reply to?
06:55<karl_>philsf: the lvm i can believe, thats possible, but the problem is the encryption
06:55<Torsten_W>lno, its not
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06:55<Torsten_W>Lance4: no, it's not!
06:55<Lance4>hmm check the site
06:55<cryingtux>jm_: the "m-a prepare ; m-a a-i nvidia" step has completed
06:55<Torsten_W>Lance4: and 3rd party repos are not debian!
06:55<karl_>to make the installer setup the initramfs correctly i have to select encrypted lvm setup at the start
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06:55<jm_>cryingtux: yes, so go on
06:55<karl_>and that will setup a new lvm and wipe it...
06:56<cryingtux>do i need to go to next step that is "Install the NVIDIA user-space libraries" ?
06:56<philsf>karl_: off the top of my head, you need to enter the LVM section in order to activate the volumes (I believe RAID is auto-detected and enabled if it exists). After you see the LVM config menu, you can just exit it, and the VMs are ready to me formatted or mounted
06:56<Lance4>where do I go for help than?
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06:57<philsf>karl_: well, I was answering what you was asking, the lvm formatting is optional. I would presumo that the encryptio would be similar, since you should only need to input the passwd in order to mount it, but I've no experience with it
06:57<jm_>cryingtux: yes
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06:57<DSAD>Does anyone know if the dlink DWL-G510 Wireless card works in lenny?
06:58<Lance4>ok nvm
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06:58<cryingtux>jm_: that completed too, the nv driver installed
06:58<gsimmons>DSAD: All three revisions should be supported.
06:58<goodxandros>hahaha i csnt get synaptic to do shit
06:58<philsf>karl_: what to you mean with the initramfs part? it should be re-created anyway
06:59<DSAD>Sweet, hopefully
06:59<goodxandros>this xandros is a weird dist
06:59<gsimmons>!tell DSAD -about dwl-g510
06:59<goodxandros>its debian based but kde
07:00<goodxandros>gnome doesnt exsist
07:00<philsf>goodxandros: what's weird about that
07:00<goodxandros>got this goofy desktop
07:01<cryingtux>jm_: should i say yes or no to " Use kernel framebuffer device interface? "
07:01<goodxandros>i thought debion was strictly gnome
07:01<goodxandros>guess not
07:02<philsf>where the hell did you get this idea?
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07:02<goodxandros>ii get my wires crossed sometimes middle of the road noob here
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07:02<fastidio>hi all
07:03<goodxandros>ill cross the street sooner or later lol
07:03<philsf>I don't know *any* major distro that doesn't ship all major DEs. certainly debian has it all
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07:03<jm_>cryingtux: no
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07:04<goodxandros>yeah debian seems like the best script wright
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07:04<goodxandros>Sysinfo for 'asus-984723408': Linux running KDE 3.4.2, CPU: Intel(R)AtomCPUN270@1.60GHz at 1600 MHz (3195 bogomips), , RAM: 289/1004MB, 85 proc's, 44.37min up
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07:05<goodxandros>hahaha this little lappy was only 170$
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07:06<goodxandros>came with xandros on it
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07:06<cryingtux>jm_: i have gone all upto "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" i will restartx to see if nvidia works or not for me
07:06<jm_>cryingtux: make sure it says nvidia in driver section
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07:06<jm_>device section even
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07:07<Tengu_>hello world
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07:08<Tengu_>I'm having some trouble with my debian servers (etch and lenny) with bridges and virtual interfaces
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07:09<Tengu_>seems virtual interfaces are up really late in boot process, so that bridges can't be up... and that trash all my openvz containers as they haven't any network.... does anyone have such a problem ?
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07:17<OdyX>Hi - I have a short english comprehension question: I received an SMS "Was ill - call u" - Does it mean that he will call me (i.e. I will call you) or that I have to call him (Call, You) ?
07:17<jm_>they will call you AFAIK
07:17<nosklo>OdyX, they are sick and will call you as soon as they can
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07:18<OdyX>nosklo & jm_ Thanks ! I will then wait for their call (and job hopefully) :)
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07:19<jm_>good luck
07:19<OdyX>thanks !
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07:25<fastidio>guys, news about 2.6.28 in sid?
07:25<jm_>kernel team already has 2.6.28 kernels available
07:26<fastidio>so? when it come in repo?
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07:26<rettub>hi, I have trouble with X, eg: <AltGr><|> throws an extra <ctrl> infront of <AltGr><|> since lenny upgrade. Xlog: 'Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols' - any ideas?
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07:33<randu>hi guys
07:34<randu>i got a problm with my sound device on lenny
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07:34<randu>i got alsa installed
07:34<randu>it was working perfectly
07:34<randu>and it stoped now
07:34<randu>any ideas?
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07:37<OdyX>randu: mute ?
07:37<randu>OdyX, no whe i click the volume button in preferences it only shows me microphone
07:37<OdyX>randu: alsaconfig
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07:38<randu>its installed
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07:38<randu>OdyX, its installed already
07:39<OdyX>randu: 'man' and run ...
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08:35<thomo>Hey, Hi!
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08:43<thomo>I'm trying Lenny out for a new console-only server install - does anyone know why ssh now has all these dependencies on X11 packages?
08:43<jm_>thomo: it doesn't
08:43<frunsk>hi i have an lcd monitor connected to my atm, how do i launch an application on my laptop's monitor only?
08:43<dr|z3d>thomo: openssh-server ?
08:43<frunsk>*connected to my laptop
08:44<thomo>apt-get install openssh-server
08:44<thomo>The following extra packages will be installed: libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxcb-xlib0 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxmuu1 openssh-blacklist openssh-blacklist-extra x11-common xauth
08:44<blockowitsch>thomo: I thinks it's for X11 forwarding. But don't worry it won't install a full X server, only some support libs
08:45<jm_>!tell thomo about apt recommends
08:45<blockowitsch>!tell blockowitsch about apt recommends
08:45<jm_>!tell blockowitsch -about selftell
08:46<blockowitsch>Whoops, won't happen again :)
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08:47<thomo>hey, thanks for the tell, I had not heard about that!
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08:54<Ikarus>Hrm, anyone here using a note taking app (ie, tablet controlled) and would know one more suitable then xournal for taking notes on screenshots ?
08:55<dr|z3d>Ikarus: Tomboy, perhaps?
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08:56<Ikarus>urgh, mono app, nvm, not running that trash
08:56<jm_>Ikarus: how about kde notes thing?
08:57<Ikarus>kjots ?
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08:57<jm_>something called basket or somesuch
08:57<Tengu_>back. where do we put LANG variables so that they're exported system-wide ?
08:57<Tengu_>(on lenny system)
08:58<jm_>Tengu_: /etc/default/locale
08:58<Ikarus>might also go hacking at xournal, it is a nice app for just note taking and annotating PDFs
08:58<Ikarus>but is a pain for fullscreen screenshot use
08:58<jm_>there's something else for PDF-s in KDE
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08:59<Tengu_>jm_: mm. ok.
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08:59<Ikarus>basket doesn't get tablet use ?
09:00<Tengu_>jm_: hmm... when installing "postgres-8.3" it doesn't take this variable.... it works as ASCII... maybe it's a locale in the shell ?
09:00<jm_>to be honest, I have no idea - I just found it once
09:00<jm_>Tengu_: this only works when you login - if a daemon needs it it has to be set elsewhere
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09:01<Tengu_>jm_: where's this elsewhere? :D
09:01<Ikarus>I like the UI setup, but if I can't write on it with my pen in tablet mode, I sort of lose the advantage of quickly jotting down stuff alot of the time
09:01<jm_>Tengu_: its init script for example
09:01<Tengu_>for PDF, you can maybe have a look at Okular
09:01<Tengu_>jm_: mmm .ok
09:01<Tengu_>jm_: we'll see. thanks
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09:26<sd_>Hi! I upgraded my system from 4.0 to 5.0 . Now there is small problem: my X can not load vnc module. It says "Warning, couldn't open module vnc" (it's from Xorg.0.log) I have installed libvncserver0, vnc4server, x11vnc. What's missing. Pls help me to fix it. Thanks.
09:27<sd_>it was working ok with 4.0
09:27<dr|z3d>sd_: Try tightvncserver perhaps?
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09:27<amdgoon>mmm, don't you have to have to make a new module?
09:28<amdgoon>You are likely running a new kernel, check that first with uname -a
09:28<sd_>dr|z3d: I need to be able to see gdm login via vnc. Does tightvnc provides such functionality?
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09:29<sd_>amdgoon: 2.6.26-1-amd64 - definitely new. What exactly do I need to perform to have one?
09:30<amdgoon>sorry I was mistakenly thinking vmware, which has a kernel module.
09:30<dr|z3d>sd_: Not entirely sure. Possibly is the answer.. tightvncserver spawns its own x session.
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09:31<sd_>dr|z3d: well, I will try it. thanks
09:32<dr|z3d>sd_: You might also just try reinstalling those other vnc components.
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09:32<rettub>build and install modules for alsa with m-a for a missing modul cs46xx in lenny doesn't show me that modul in modconf if done.
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09:33<rettub>/usr/src/alsa-driver.tar.bz2#utar/modules/alsa-driver/pci/cs46xx files still exists
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09:33<rettub>any hints?
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09:34<rettub>need a modul for: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01) (ibm t21)
09:34<gsimmons>rettub: You're using the Debian alsa-driver source package?
09:34<gsimmons>rettub: It's been removed.
09:34<dpkg>The snd-cs46xx ALSA driver is no longer built due to distribution issues, specifically the firmware blob within does not carry a license. See bug #464197 in the <BTS> for more information. A workaround is available for Etch systems with an <etchnhalf> kernel, see
09:35<rettub>I know, but that module source files are in the tar!
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09:36<rettub>If they are in the tar - how can I build them?
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09:41<s-andy>hi... I'm new to rsync and I would like to transfer BTS files from
09:41<s-andy>I do: rsync but it asks for password
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09:42<gsimmons>rettub: The associated binary-only code was removed from alsa-driver to resolve bug #483918, the driver is useless without it.
09:42<s-andy>is it password protected? or I just do it wrong?
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09:44<rettub>gsimmons: thx, is there a git repro for alsa-source? should be cause of: gitcompile
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09:45<rettub>so I could go back and use cs46xx again :))
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09:46<s-andy>ok, got it - never mind
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09:49<Kryptik>Hey, I've got an installation problem related to graphics. I install and everything appears to be fine, boot and select debian, but when It loads I get a barcode like pattern and ctrl-alt-fn bring up a cursor but there's still a barcode pattern all over the screen and I can't see any text that's typed.
09:50<Kryptik>I've got a nVidia 6800GT card in an AGP 8x pro slot.
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09:50<holtind>Hello, can i mount qnx6 file systems with linux? It can only see qnx4 partitions.
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09:51<Kryptik>Single user mode boots but it's the same thing, however I think it will actually accept my commands, bt I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and nothing happened
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09:56<Kryptik>Also, Ubuntu makes it just passed the progress bar before installing and then gives me the same issue...if that helps..
09:58<gata>hi, am nu to Debian GNU/Linux; but with some experience in fedora.
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09:59<gata>can someone please give me a step-by-step guide to installing/configuring Huawei Mobile 3G Broadband modem to work with Debian
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10:00<zedboy>Kryptik: why don't you google and see if anyone's had issues with your hardware?
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10:00<bieler>Hi zusammen. Bräuchte Hilfe bei Postfix nach Update von Etch auf Lenny.
10:00<gata>HSDPA Stick E160 3 ireland network
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10:01<zedboy>bieler: di velte do redte nor english...
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10:01<Kryptik>zedboy: I've been trying that all yesterday and today ;)
10:02<Kryptik>I don't see any posts like this on any forums anywhere. I made a post on the and I've been checking it. I'm still searching google but I haven't found anything yet.
10:02<gsimmons>rettub: pkg-alsa uses Subversion (
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10:03<Zathraz>Hi. I wanted to use Incron/Inotify to detect which user is accessing a file/dir. But it seems that I need to set things up on a per user basis? Is this a correct assumption?
10:03<zedboy>Kryptik: so you see all the boot output (linux kernel blah-de-blah booting) and all that stuff, and the screen only messes up when X starts?
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10:04<Kryptik>I can get through the install (graphically or non) without any errors or weird messages. I can restart and get to grub and select Debian, Debian single user, or Windows XP
10:05<zedboy>Kryptik: and immediately after you choose linux it starts going weird?
10:05<Kryptik>When I select Debian it goes to a barcode pattern on the screen.
10:05<Kryptik>I hit ctrl-alt-fn and it does nothing.
10:05<zedboy>Kryptik: yuck!
10:05<Kryptik>in single user mode it does the same thing
10:05<zedboy>Kryptik: was there an option during setup where you told it to use VGA console?
10:06<zedboy>Kryptik: because it really oughtta work in text mode :-)
10:06<Kryptik>I can see the blinking cursor when I hit ctrl-alt-fn but in normal debian it seems to not type anything or accept any commands
10:06<Kryptik>in single user I can login, but not with root apparently.
10:06<Kryptik>i still can't see the text
10:07<Kryptik>and it's got a barcode pattern all over the screen
10:07<goodxandros>lo Kryptik
10:07<Kryptik>but when I enter my credentials and SHOULD be logged in and I type ls -la I see two blue areas (. and ..)
10:07<Kryptik>So I'm assuming I can login with the non root user it created when I get into single user mode.
10:08<Kryptik>and no, It didn't ask me anything about vga settings
10:08<rettub>gsimmons: thx
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10:08<Kryptik>The card has a VGA and DVI output.
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10:08<sd_>guys, what to install in Deb 5.0 to export X:0 via vnc? Separate vncserver packages are not good for me, as they create :1 display. I need to see current :0 display via vnc.
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10:11<d3co>where can I find repost lenny ?
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10:12<gata>Kryptik: please i need help in making my 3G HSDPA usb broadband to work in Debian lenny
10:13<gata>help from anyone please, bout 3G usb installation HOW TO
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10:18<gata>help needed please, in configuring HSDPA usb modem to work in debian
10:18<gata>network: 3 ireland
10:19<gata>amphi: help needed please, in configuring HSDPA usb modem to work in debian
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10:20<Zathraz>gata, have you tried google?
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10:20<Zathraz>you did not specify kernel version nor modem manufactor/type etc
10:21<Zathraz>so no one can help right now I think
10:21<gata>i have tried and tried and tried!
10:22<Zathraz>which brand modem?
10:22<Zathraz>which revision etc?
10:22<petemc>gata: theres been lots of chat on the ilug mailing list about the various 3g modems , check the archives
10:22<gata>OS: Debian GNU/Linux kernel Huawei Mobile Connect E160g
10:23<zedboy>gata: you need kernel 2.6.20 or newer.
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10:23<zedboy>gata: your kernel is really ancient.
10:23<Zathraz>2.6.2 that is like BC
10:23<Zathraz>no wonder it will not work
10:23<Zathraz>and it sure it is not a Lenny kernel
10:24<gata>Zathaz: how will i upgrade? i am a newbie to Linux
10:24<gata>etch to b specific.
10:24<Zathraz>above you said Lenny
10:24<zedboy>gata: go read the documentation.
10:24<Zathraz>etch comes with 2.6.8
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10:24<Zathraz>so it sounds like a mess
10:25<gata>sorry bout d mistake
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10:25<Zathraz>no use in trying to connect a brand new modem which needs the very latest drivers before cleaning up the mess
10:25<gata>kernel is
10:25<Zathraz>consider a dist-upgrade to lenny
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10:26<gata>yea, Zathraz, thanx. how do i upgrade. cos i have a dual boot with Xp pro
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10:27<Zathraz>gata, as suggested, read some docs. If you have specific questions do not hesitate to ask
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10:27<Zathraz>basically what you are now asking is either a Linux 101 course or if someone could be your free of charge sysadmin
10:28<gata>ok, Zathrax, thanx a million i appreciate. i will read some docs
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10:48<zedboy>this is the way we count our ram, count our ram, count our ram, this is the way we count our ram, so early in the morning...
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10:51<phrhd>hi, i am searching for a simple lightweight audio player that lets the user choose one of multiple sound cards easily
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10:52<phrhd>i think i would also be okay with an ncurses-based interface
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10:57<metalqga>maybe a stupid question, but havent done it in a long time.. how to format a usb memory to fat32?
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10:57<petemc>mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1
10:57<petemc>adjust to suit
10:57<meshuggah>hi there
10:57<metalqga>in lenny there's no mkfs.vfat
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10:58<metalqga>i've installed fusefat, searched for mkdosfs but aptitude didnt find
10:58<meshuggah>!hwinfo memory
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10:59<kolla>do I need to do anything if I have changed "INIT INFO" in init-scripts?
11:00<kolla>to make it take effect... or does it do that on its own on bootup?
11:00<meshuggah>metalqga, thisdont works mkfs -t vfat -I /dev/sda1
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11:00<meshuggah>i have lenny and it have mkfs
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11:00<stew>metalqga: mkfs.vfat is in lenny, /msg dpkg apt-file
11:01<meshuggah>stew : mkfs.vfat doesnt work in lenny
11:01<meshuggah>mkfs -t vfat works
11:01<stew>meshuggah: why not? is there a bug filed?
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11:01<meshuggah>stew : i dunno, i am new to lenny
11:02<stew>meshuggah: how do you know it doesn't work? do you get an error?
11:02<meshuggah>but my super-user terminal says me that mkfs.vfat doesnt exist
11:02<stew>meshuggah: what is the error?
11:02<meshuggah>Usage: mkfs [-V] [-t fstype] [fs-options] device [size]
11:02<meshuggah>ether:/media# mkfs.vfat
11:02<meshuggah>bash: mkfs.vfat: command not found
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11:02<meshuggah>mkfs showed me the first line, but mkfs.vfat showed me command not found
11:02<stew>meshuggah: its not installed by default
11:03<OdyX>meshuggah: package "dosfstools"
11:03<meshuggah>i am still new
11:03<metalqga>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "dostools"
11:03<metalqga>oops s
11:03<meshuggah>3 days ! of debian ! 2 weeks of linux! i becoming a god
11:03<metalqga>sorry I'm so unconcentrated today
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11:04<metalqga>just found my mistype
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11:04<metalqga>I wouldnt have asked here...
11:04<OdyX>meshuggah: we all were once beginners... some are beginners for a longer time
11:05<meshuggah>how can i make a log file with hwinfo?, I try hwinfo --log hardware.lst it create a file, but an empy file,
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11:06*metalqga just look at me < OdyX> :P
11:06*OdyX isn't looking at anybody in particular...
11:06<meshuggah>OdyX, :) i will be a little better every days :) like i did with ms shit since msdos 3.0....i wont install winshit, so i need and i will learn...with the help of everybody here!
11:06<OdyX>!hit metalqga
11:06*dpkg punches metalqga.
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11:07<meshuggah>ho..i am sorry, i forgot someone, Google will help me to learn too
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11:07<meshuggah>nobody knows how to use hwinfo properly?
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11:08<path>man hwinfo?
11:08<meshuggah>path : the man and the --help command point me to error
11:09<path>cat can be useful
11:09<path>sometimes :-D
11:09<dpkg>one warez list being sent to giuseppe
11:09<meshuggah>yes but i am newbie :), i used before, but i was copying and pasting text
11:09<goodxandros>i like cat does just about everything
11:09<dpkg>somebody said cat was a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. see also <more> <less> <dog>
11:09<goodxandros>once installed
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11:10<meshuggah>i only want to put in a log file what hwinfo says me, how can i do it with cat please?
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11:11<petemc>meshuggah: look up redirection in your shells manpage
11:11<stew>meshuggah: you don't want cat. "hwinfo > /path/tosomefile" will do it
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11:11<meshuggah>like in good old dos
11:11<goodxandros>man i just cant get this synapic package manger to do a thing
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11:11<meshuggah>but with slash and not backslash..
11:11<goodxandros>i jut want the kde desktop
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11:12<OdyX>goodxandros: aptitude is way better (IMHO) than synaptic
11:12<OdyX>kde-minimal AFAIK
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11:12<dpkg>it has been said that kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get KDE, ask me about <install kde>. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (, see also <kde_trouble>. KDE-related IRC channels:
11:13<OdyX>!install kde | goodxandros
11:13<meshuggah>apt-get install kde ?
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11:13<path>why not dmidecode meshuggah ?
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11:14<meshuggah>path, cause it is not enough detailed :)
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11:15<meshuggah>path, i want to know what kind of rambus ram, i have, i want to buy more, i only have 256mb
11:15<meshuggah>path, and i want to be sure to buy the right thing
11:16<cahoot>tried decode-dimms?
11:16<path>you could do that just knowing the chipset
11:16<meshuggah>cahoot, no, i will check it
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11:16<meshuggah>path, probably :)_
11:17<goodxandros>its not available
11:17<meshuggah>path, i was used to cpu-z in windows
11:17<goodxandros>apt-get install kde helped me understand
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11:17<trueno>Hi! Something weird has happenned, I just upgraded to lenny. Upon reboot I can't mount any ext3 lvm partition. Anyone has a clue? lvscan shows correct data
11:18<goodxandros>shit i hate this gui
11:18<OdyX>trueno: look at your /etc/fstab file and check UUID's, LABELS or such.
11:18<goodxandros>look dumb
11:18<meshuggah>goodxandros, which gui?
11:18<OdyX>trueno: /meguessez that there is some change in the disk numbering... or such
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11:19<goodxandros>i got ths stupid lookin desktop that looks like a cellphone munue lits with thumnails
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11:19<trueno>OdyX: I have no labels or uuids there
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11:20<OdyX>trueno: that's maybe the problem :)
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11:21<goodxandros>and youcant realy ajust the background
11:21<OdyX>trueno: UUIDs or /dev/disk/by-uuid/* prevent weird re-naming of your disks...
11:21<meshuggah>hi stuckey
11:21<goodxandros>just the font and colors
11:21<stuckey>I have to type "pon" at the terminal as root to make my internet connection come up, after I start my computer; does anyone know of a way around this, that is, a way to make the internet come up at boot?
11:21<OdyX>trueno: check that your real devices and their counterparts in /etc/fstab match
11:21<meshuggah>goodxandros, what have you did?
11:21<OdyX>stuckey: porn ?
11:21<stuckey>OdyX: "pon"
11:22<goodxandros>it cam like this man im tellin ya
11:22<JordiGH>A friend is having problems with the lenny upgrade. She's got an encrypted partition so grub points to /dev/mapper/$host-root, but that in turn points to hda5, but it now should point to sda5 because the devices got renamed. How to fix this?
11:22<trueno>OdyX: The weird thing is that manual mounting fails as well
11:22<meshuggah>do you have a little terminal-windows in it?
11:22<goodxandros>iill find a way somehow i guess
11:22<meshuggah>try typing : gdm
11:23<goodxandros>just only been like 4 days now trying
11:23<OdyX>JordiGH: /etc/crypttab and update-initramfs I think
11:23<meshuggah>goodxandros, how did you install it?
11:23<JordiGH>OdyX: But how to boot in the first place?
11:23<goodxandros>but that nothing in linux sometimes lol
11:23<OdyX>JordiGH: Live and chroot...
11:23<goodxandros>was preinstalled might be the prob
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11:24<meshuggah>goodxandros, the biggest most mysterious problem, are only little thing...always....Murphy's Law
11:24<OdyX>stuckey: you have a "dial-up" internet (generally associated to "pay-per-Mb" ) => normal that it does not come up automagically..
11:24<goodxandros>i have 3 diff distros
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11:24<OdyX>stuckey: search for "start-stop-daemon" in Google...
11:24<JordiGH>OdyX: Hmm...
11:24<trueno>OdyX: Is there a way to run a fsck.ext3 on an lvm2? It complains about bad superblocks
11:24<goodxandros>knoppix /fedora/and debian
11:24<stuckey>OdyX: I'm making a connection over PPPoE (ADSL)
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11:24<goodxandros>i just need a ex dvd burnner now
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11:25<OdyX>trueno: of course... /dev/mapper/* is an abstraction level that permits to handle it as real partitions...
11:25<goodxandros>Sysinfo for 'asus-984723408': Linux running KDE 3.4.2, CPU: Intel(R)AtomCPUN270@1.60GHz at 1600 MHz (3195 bogomips), , RAM: 325/1004MB, 97 proc's, 1.22h up
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11:25<goodxandros>was 170 bucks at best buy
11:25<meshuggah>it was cheap, and better than mine
11:25<goodxandros>its ok and very stable
11:25<meshuggah>that i paid 300$ 6 months ago
11:26<goodxandros>only a 4 ggigger thoe
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11:26<meshuggah>a solidstate hd ?
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11:26<goodxandros>so i got a 250 gig ex hd
11:26<JordiGH>OdyX: Do you know of a live CD that makes it easy to boot encrypted drives?
11:26<goodxandros>got that to work like 3 days ago
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11:27<OdyX>JordiGH: Debian Live ? (and then install your packages)
11:27<trueno>OdyX: I have no /dev/disk!!!
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11:27<OdyX>trueno: what kernel version are you running ?
11:27<meshuggah>goodxandros, maybe you should try Ubuntu, it is heavier than debian, but it configure more easily by itself
11:27<trueno>OdyX: which kernel am I supposed to have? (lenny)
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11:27<trueno>OdyX: 2.6.8
11:28<meshuggah>goodxandros, and it is debian-based
11:28<goodxandros>i had it once on a 783 dell once was easy install
11:28<OdyX>trueno: ouch...
11:28<trueno>OdyX: Might that be the problem?
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11:28<goodxandros>oops 786
11:28<meshuggah>goodxandros, i had it 3 days ago, but debian screwed it
11:28<OdyX>trueno: "could" be...
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11:29<trueno>OdyX: Which is the default lenny vanilla kernel?
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11:29<OdyX>trueno: linux-image-2.6.26-*
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11:30<meshuggah>cahoot, where can i find : decode-dimms
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11:31<JordiGH>update-initramfs has to be done from the chroot, right?
11:31<trueno>OdyX: There's been a crash after the update, I'm seeing right now... power filure or something
11:32<OdyX>JordiGH: yeah.... Make it with care...
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11:32<OdyX>JordiGH: Wait...
11:32<trueno>OdyX: Could that affect my lvm? How come can I recover my ext3 data?
11:32<OdyX>why not starting it with the older kernel ?
11:32<OdyX>trueno: LVM usually not...
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11:33<OdyX>JordiGH: why not starting with the older kernel ?
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11:33<JordiGH>OdyX: Hm.. but then how to fix it so that the newer kernel boots?
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11:33<snubby>sup folks
11:33<OdyX>JordiGH: alter /etc/crypttab and regenerate initramfs ..
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11:35<JordiGH>OdyX: But that will generate an initramfs for the current running kernel, no? How can she generate one for the newer one?
11:35<OdyX>JordiGH: man update-initramfs
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11:36<OdyX>you can even avoid generating one for the "working" kernel
11:36<trueno>OdyX: fsck.ext3 says "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2", How can I make it search for one?
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11:36<OdyX>trueno: aouch... I can't help much more...
11:36<meshuggah>allo snubby
11:36<trueno>OdyX: Thanks indeed
11:36<snubby>tips hat @ meshuggah
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11:41<Diowizwo>hello everyone :)
11:41<meshuggah>hi Diowizwo
11:41<snubby>yo @ Diowizwo
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11:42<sd_>well, il looks that (x11 module) doesn't exist in Lenny. :( And it's impossible to connect to :0 display with x11vnc to have access to gdm login. Any solutions?..
11:42<JordiGH>OdyX: Does it matter if it's called sda5_crypt or hda5_crypt?
11:42<OdyX>JordiGH: you make me doubt...
11:42<OdyX>JordiGH: let me check...
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11:43<JordiGH>OdyX: Initramfs is gonna take care that whatever I call it there is the device that gets generated in /dev/mapper, right?
11:43<OdyX>meshuggah: "where can i find : decode-dimms" => package i2c-tools (learn to use )
11:43<sd_>remote desktop acces is one of strong sides. Why it's obsoleted now?
11:43<meshuggah>OdyX, thank
11:44<OdyX>JordiGH: I have: "sda5_crypt /dev/sda5 … …" you have to alter the second one I guess...
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11:45<JordiGH>OdyX: But it's just a name, right? Is it used elsewhere? If she leaves it as hda5_crypt pointing to /dev/sda5, that's fine?
11:45<OdyX>JordiGH: that's what I would have done...
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11:47<sassi>Hey why cant ppl recive my "list" when they try to connect to my ftp.. ? i have the port open but still.. any other things i should have open.. using proftpd
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11:48<Diowizwo>I have a little problem met lenny at the moment: when it's booting, it hangs at the point where netatalk is starting (no HD activity). I've tried starting it manually in single-user mode but that didn't the trick. Reinstalling did not work either. Any other solutions?
11:49<cahoot>meshuggah: part of lm-sensors
11:49<meshuggah>No EEPROM found, are you sure the eeprom module is loaded?
11:50<cahoot>meshuggah: modprobe eeprom?
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11:50<meshuggah>cahoot, OdyX : THANK you :)
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11:50<meshuggah>ti works now
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11:55<meshuggah>$50 for 128mg ram !!!! MR16R 0828BN1-CK8 ....damn rambus
11:55<geof1>hello all... I just upgraded to Lenny yesterday and I do have a problem that disables to forge ahead.... I do have Problems with sun-java5 package....
11:55<koollman>meshuggah: you have to pay it by milligrams ? right. it's not nice ;)
11:56<sassi>were can i find proftpd config? noobie here. :)
11:56<geof1>it says: dpkg: error while cleaning up:
11:56<geof1>subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
11:56<geof1>E: Sub-Process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code (1)
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11:56<koollman>sassi: /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf
11:57<meshuggah>koollman, and the worst is that i need 2 to make it works, like 2 or 4 memory module(not 1 or 3)
11:58<koollman>sassi: and you should have a look in /usr/share/proftpd-doc , too. (there's a config example with comments in there, I think)
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11:58<sassi>just needed to open passive ports
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12:03<marsu_>hello everybody !
12:03<meshuggah>Samsung Rambus 512MB 16bit 800MHz ECC 40NS Memory => 229.99$ + shipping/handling......i need 4 of them dammit
12:03<meshuggah>hi marsu_
12:04<marsu_>I'm looking for a software which may have a very specific name I do not know yet... I have a lot of pdf files, books for example, and I would like to build a database which would let me search through them quickly enough
12:04<marsu_>and in which I could add "metadatas" for each file... ;-)
12:04<marsu_>do you have any idea of how this kind of software may be named ? ;-)
12:05<meshuggah>i am sorry
12:05<JordiGH>marsu_: grep?
12:05<marsu_>with pdf files ? And where are the metadatas ? ;-)
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12:06<marsu_>there are tags in pdf files, but nothing really efficient
12:06<JordiGH>marsu_: If a PDF isn't just a bunch of images but has actual text, then the text will be visible with grep.
12:06<petemc>grep doesnt build an index
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12:06<marsu_>the fact is that I am talking of gigabytes of data...
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12:07<petemc>marsu_: did you not see my suggestion?
12:07<JordiGH>Yeah, the problem here is that PDF is a largely opaque format that you're trying to make transparent.
12:08<marsu_>petemc: I'm on Swish-e's website, and it may be a good answer even though I first thought a software would be better ;-)
12:08<petemc>it is software
12:08<petemc>theres also lucene and the like
12:09<marsu_>I meant that it requires a web server to run
12:09<petemc>you want an application then?
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12:09<marsu_>actually I am not that interested by full-text search as most of the files are scanned ebooks
12:09<marsu_>oh, so you make this difference between 'application' and 'software'
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12:10<marsu_>I did not know, but then I think I meant 'application' ;-)
12:10<marsu_>( I'm french )
12:10<JordiGH>Logiciel is software or application?
12:10<marsu_>logiciel = software
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12:10<marsu_>and I'd say programme = application
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12:11<meshuggah>it is about thjat
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12:12<meshuggah>can i plug a ata/133 hdd on a ata/100 motherboard?
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12:12<apatheticsheep>howdy folks
12:12<meshuggah>allo apatheticsheep
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12:15<shevek>I suppose Debian isn't actually tested on 486 by anyone? I'm trying to install lenny on it, but I get a kernel panic directly after typing "boot" in grub...
12:15<JordiGH>Ack, is there a way to configure keys in Pidgin, or do I have to edit its source and recompile it?
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12:15<shevek>(that's with the hd-boot kernel and initrd)
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12:16<meshuggah>shevek : you should install a lighter distro
12:16<apatheticsheep>I am looking for suggestions. I was considering how one might index and search imap email quickly and simply through a moblie browser, or terminal. i was thinking something involving fetchmail and beagle or something like that.
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12:17<apatheticsheep>users have sidekicks
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12:18<shevek>meshuggah: I need it only to test the hgafb driver, and it must eventually run on Debian anyway (though not on a 486), so I prefer using Debian. And it shouldn't actually matter, should it? It's the same software; Debian can be a very light distro if you install it right.
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12:20<meshuggah>shevek, sorry
12:20<marsu_>petemc: thank you for your answers, I think swish-e willdo the trick ;-)
12:20<marsu_>good evening everybody !!!
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12:22<shevek>Well, I need to reboot to put another kernel on my hd...
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12:36<Azazzs>where is the syslog.conf on lenny ?
12:36<Azazzs>aint it default
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12:37<adama>Azazzs: should be in etc
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12:37<gauthierm>Anyone know where I could find package version information for old releases of Debian?
12:39<Azazzs>adama: hmm not in mine ditro
12:39<Azazzs>adama: /etc/syslog.conf right
12:39<LL00>any way to install debian on harddrive from debian live cd?
12:39<schlurchz>Hi all. I keep getting spurious EACCES errors with files in a nfs mounted directory. See for some details
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12:40<schlurchz>I've no idea what's going on, anyone with a clue here?
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12:43<rickbot>hi @ll
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12:43<rickbot>the lenny install disk won't boot on my server
12:44<rickbot>'non-system disk or disk error'
12:44<rickbot>boots fine elsewhere. any ideas?
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12:45<rickbot>the machine ran itch fine and anything else boots ok
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12:47<gauthierm>JordiGH: thanks
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12:49<fxiny>rickbot: don't understand . if it boots elsewhere how can it be a debian fault ?
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12:51<rickbot>wondering if there's any known issues with some hardware
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12:52<rickbot>anything else boots ok on the same machine
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12:53<fxiny>but you said it boots fine on some machines
12:55<rickbot>yeah, it does. just not on this machine. its an old p3 compac server and can't seem to find the boot sector on the lenny disk
12:55<rickbot>but other install disks including etch work fine
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12:56<fxiny>rickbot: old ? is it a dvd ?
12:56<fxiny>+R or -R ?
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12:56<fxiny>rickbot: i mean the plastic and the reader , how old is the reader ?
12:57<fxiny>some old readers don't play with +R
12:57<rickbot>its a cd-rw drive. don't know how old it is
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12:57<rickbot>the disk is a cd-rw not dvd
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12:58<fxiny>mine died long ago , i won't replace it
12:58<rickbot>tried google. found nothing
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12:59<enouf>rickbot: it's either a) cd 'track' issues b) the isolinux version used to create the orig ISO c) the genisoimage version used to create the orig ISO d) broken buggy BIOS and broken ROMpaq - which app did you use to burn the cd-rw?
13:00<rickbot>used k3b 4x DAO
13:00<enouf>rickbot: when that happens, it easy enough to grab a floppy, and throw smart boot manager on it, use that to boot - then select CD from there
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13:01<enouf>rickbot: saved the log of the burn? put the cdrw in another machine it boots in, and run Check Integrity
13:02<rickbot>no didn't save log. the disk can boot fine on other machines though
13:02<enouf>i realize that
13:02<rickbot>i'll try check integrity
13:03<rickbot>gotta use this machine. see ya in a bit
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13:05<blarson>really old cd drives can have problems with cdrw, or even cdr.
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13:05<weasel>sometimes burning at lower speed or using a different blank make helped
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13:06<bigjoint>weasel, alias xinz ???
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13:07<meshuggah>how can i say to debian to stop using the integrated soundcard, and use the soundblaster one?
13:07<cahoot>try asoundconf
13:10<NickMindXPBOX>i need a little guideness in my life. xinetd is considered a super deamon, are there any other deamon that a call a super deamon
13:11<fxiny>on emore tip : my old drive used to overheat my cd , before dying . i remember installing a readhatta No 1 cd leaving the tray open to cool down , before loading the second
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13:11<fxiny>then came woody , and i changed the drive :)
13:11<stew>NickMindXPBOX: "apt-cache showpkg inet-superserver" will list them in the "reverse provides" section
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13:12<rickbot>just tried the lenny-kde-cd1 and same thing
13:12<rickbot>something in lenny doesn't like this machine apparently
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13:13<enouf>blarson: (and anyone else interested) might be interested in
13:13<enouf>i guess that might include rickbot
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13:14<zedboy>meshuggah: does the kernel see the soundblaster?
13:15<meshuggah>it is ok now :)
13:15<zedboy>meshuggah: you can kill the driver for the integrated one.
13:15<rickbot>hmm wonder if this drive doesn't read rw disks...
13:15<meshuggah>cahoot : thank, i needed to reboot
13:15<meshuggah>zedboy : it is an idea :)
13:15<meshuggah>zedboy : the sound distort on this one
13:15<meshuggah>yesterday the card was working, but not after io opened the case and tried to install another hd
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13:16<enouf>fumbling freddy fingers
13:16<meshuggah>is it possible an old motherboard and bios from about 2001 can use a 120gb?
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13:16<enouf>meshuggah: should be ok - check BIOS date
13:16<fxiny>rickbot: your old drive , does it overheat the plastic ?
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13:16<rickbot>feels cool enough
13:17<enouf>meshuggah: likely it's fine
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13:17<meshuggah>from ECS
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13:17<enouf>p4 == pentium4 era :-P
13:18<meshuggah>ok cause someone gave me one yesterday(he gaves me it cause i reinstalled/reformated and installed winshit98 on his p3
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13:18<meshuggah>on his athlon sorry
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13:18<enouf>440CX though seems a bit misleading thuogh, since by then the 440bx set was dead
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13:18<meshuggah>maybe i should try the Cap Limit jumper on the drive
13:19<meshuggah>or this hd is dead
13:19<enouf>meshuggah: wait - what's the issue? see if the BIOS sees all 120G
13:19<enouf>meshuggah: you might need an 80 wire IDE cable
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13:19<meshuggah>enouf : the bios dont detect it
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13:19<enouf>then check the jumpers + 80wire cable
13:19<meshuggah>the cable has 39 pin
13:19<openIT>when i use a testing debian, should i run upgrade or dist-upgrade to upgrade my system?
13:20<enouf>right, pin 20 is missing - so what?
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13:20<enouf>meshuggah: i said 80wire, not 80pins
13:20<NickMindXPBOX>stew: i see the list, those are all apart of inet-superserver? If so, then are there any other deamons (services) like inetd that are considered a super deamon. is inet-superserver like xinetd or inetd?
13:20<enouf>80wire IDE still have 40pins
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13:21<NickMindXPBOX>sorry for the noob ?, just trying to educate myself/
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13:21<enouf>meshuggah: yeah, but we all call them 40 pin hun, since the connector has room for 40
13:21<meshuggah>enouf : ok ok, i will stop arguing :P
13:21<enouf>meshuggah: as opposed to 44, as in 2.5 laptop drives
13:22<ryanc>aptitude is slow on a 266MHz system.
13:22<meshuggah>the 80 wires is for interference
13:23*enouf starts drinking heavily ... again
13:24<meshuggah>enouf, will flashing the bios can help?
13:24<enouf>meshuggah: 1st check other things - then check BIOS update changelogs
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13:25<meshuggah>enouf, you know a lot more than me, how i can see the update changelogs?
13:25<enouf>meshuggah: you find your Mobo manu site, and review the changes made with each BIOS revision
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13:25<meshuggah>i did
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13:26<enouf>what's the newest/latest dated revision?
13:26<enouf>nice broken url :-p
13:26<meshuggah>2003/03/28 : there is revision for this day
13:27<meshuggah>the last one
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13:27<enouf>meshuggah: so, now, review what changes have been made between your date and that date
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13:28<meshuggah>enouf, i did...a few time...and no they arent talking about big hd
13:28<enouf>meshuggah: do other disks work in/on the mobo? it's possible your BIOS got corrupt too - or maybe just needs to Load Setup Defaults or something
13:28<meshuggah>enouf, but i think this company/website sucks
13:29<meshuggah>enouf, i tried to autodetect it
13:29<meshuggah>enouf, i even broke an ide card when testing it
13:29<enouf>i outlined in detail the steps i would take - if you want, use them, if not - have fun ;-)
13:29<meshuggah>the ?middle slot? broke
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13:30<meshuggah>please 8(
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13:30<meshuggah>me i would try the caplimit jumper
13:30<enouf>and i don't like it when people ignore my specific questions when they're seeking help .. an they just spew random useless information instead
13:31<meshuggah>i am sorry enouf, my english is poor, and i dont understand everything, and i cant type everything i get in my mind, i dont find the words
13:31*meshuggah slaps himself with a metal baseball bat
13:32<enouf>] <enouf> meshuggah: do other disks work in/on the mobo?
13:32<meshuggah>enouf, I thank you for your help
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13:32<meshuggah>3 X 40gig
13:32<meshuggah>1 ide dvdrom
13:32<meshuggah>1 usb dvd burner
13:32<enouf>meshuggah: and they alll work properly? ok ..
13:32<meshuggah>i removed the floppy yesterday
13:33<meshuggah>i installed an old 40gig yesterday at the place of the 120g
13:33<meshuggah>it is still ok, i never got 3 X 40 = 120 Gig on a computer before lol :)
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13:33<meshuggah>but 2 X 40 g + 120g = 200 would be better :)
13:34<meshuggah>i tried the 40gig to see if it was the cable or motherboard, it is the disk
13:34<meshuggah>or a too old pc for this disk
13:34<enouf>some larger newer HDDs have firmware that detect whether there's an 80wire cable attached or not
13:35<meshuggah>this one is 07may2005
13:35<enouf>i have 2x 80GB Disks in my pentium2 pc
13:35<enouf>from late 1999
13:35<enouf>BIOS from ~2000
13:36<enouf>meshuggah: i use 80wire cables
13:36<meshuggah>how can i see if they are 80wires cables?
13:37<meshuggah>i have a few, people give me some old pieces
13:37<enouf>the URL i posted shows you explicitly - close up even
13:37<amphi>meshuggah: send them to a lab for analysis
13:37<meshuggah>amphi, good idea thank
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13:38<meshuggah>enouf : yes but i dont see the diff with the 2 picture
13:38<meshuggah>i see color diff
13:38<enouf>amphi: the ones where the people dress you up in a nice strapped white coat, right? :-)
13:39<amphi>enouf: I was thinking of Laboratoires Stob, but that would do, I suppose
13:39<amphi>I see no rôle for the Freedom Chair here, sadly
13:39<enouf>amphi: ;-)
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13:39<meshuggah>pet pis repete
13:40<meshuggah>enouf, the ide cable i ve broken yesterday(the plastic plug in the middle(2nd connector) went away, can i still use the cable to attach 1 device?
13:41<jkoenig>meshuggah: probably.
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13:41<jkoenig>meshuggah: provided none of the conductors were broken in the process
13:41<flaco>hello, I need to buy a wireless adapter (usb) any recommendations?? I'm using lenny...
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13:42<meshuggah>enouf, i even dont have USB 2.0 on this mobo
13:42<meshuggah>only 1.1
13:42<meshuggah>so my external dvd 18x burner, burn a dvd to a sonic speed of 0.4x-0.6x
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13:43<enouf>sounds like it's time for some dumpster diving for you
13:43<meshuggah>good idea
13:43<enouf>you'd make bill proud
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13:43<meshuggah>near an hospital or school
13:44<meshuggah>maybe hydro-quebec
13:44<enouf>wherever there's a high probability of medical waste, sure
13:44<meshuggah>they are supposed to be at different dumpster
13:44<meshuggah>with biological hazard signs
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13:45<meshuggah>enouf, seriously i continue to check the 2 IDE cable picture, and i cant spot the difference
13:45<enouf>then google, or read about the diffs
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13:46<rickbot>yep, old cd drive can't read rw disk
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13:46<meshuggah>rickbot : yes, my 2x and 10x old drive cannot
13:47<enouf>rickbot: you swapped out the drive for another newer one? and the lenny cdrw now boots?
13:47<rickbot>this is 40x
13:48<meshuggah>!puke meshuggah
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13:48<rickbot>burned other image onto the disk which worked before and the disk wont' boot
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13:49<rickbot>worked on cd bfore but not now and the only diff is that its a rw disk so i think i can assume...
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13:49<meshuggah>my 10x was able to read cd-r but not cd-rw,
13:50<rickbot>same here by the looks of it
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13:57<meshuggah>i want to use ascii code to write : like pressing ALT-99 for C, what should i install?
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13:59<meshuggah>enouf, i am sure you know
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14:11<avu>meshuggah, 'ALT-99' is some windows thing I guess..
14:12<avu>meshuggah, see what character it actually produces, man 7 ascii can help
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14:12<meshuggah>it work
14:12<meshuggah>i am sure it is
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14:13<meshuggah>it worked in msdos before, windows before, redhat linux before
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14:13<meshuggah>i will check manual
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14:13<jkoenig>meshuggah: it works on the text-only console, but you need to find a terminal emulator which support it if you want it in X
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14:13<meshuggah>uh 99 is c
14:13<meshuggah>not C
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14:14<meshuggah>ok cause i want to chat using that, it always reset my fr keyboard in us mode
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14:15<jkoenig>meshuggah: what special characters to you need to type ?
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14:16<meshuggah>i dont know in english
14:16<meshuggah>like = e with a = / on it
14:17<meshuggah>and i am borred that lenny reset my fr keyboard with us one
14:17<jkoenig>meshuggah: yeah it's accent in english as well.
14:17<meshuggah>US one
14:17<jkoenig>do you want a US a french keymap ?
14:18<jkoenig>(because there's us_intl which composes accents if you need)
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14:18<meshuggah>i want my keyboard canadian french to be mapped to canadian french map
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14:18<meshuggah>but debian reset that every reboot
14:18<Astero1D>I was reading shred commands man page and it seems it will not work for ext3 filesystem? anyone has experience with this?
14:18<jkoenig>meshuggah: how do you change it ?
14:18<meshuggah>so i want to let him win, but i will use ALT-1-255
14:18<Astero1D>How do I securely remove a file or directory?
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14:19<jkoenig>meshuggah: ok.
14:19<meshuggah>and i choose the french option
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14:20<meshuggah>no one is selectionned right now
14:20<jkoenig>meshuggah: you can set it permanently by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (as root) in a terminal
14:20<meshuggah>but before i reboot, it was selectioned to the french one
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14:21<meshuggah>but i configured to the french one when installing etch and when upgradnig to lenny
14:21<meshuggah>this computer is too old, his memory is bad
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14:21<jkoenig>meshuggah: heh :-)
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14:21<jkoenig>meshuggah: try "dpkg-reconfigure -p medium xserver-xorg", for skipping the boring questions.
14:22<meshuggah>jkoenig, I can't even understand well when doing the first page of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:22<meshuggah>framebuffer and things i am not sure to 100% understand
14:22<meshuggah>so i dunno what to answer lol
14:23<jkoenig>just press enter for everything,
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14:23<jkoenig>except the keyboard-related questions
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14:23<enouf>why not 'setxkbmap fr' ? and /msg dpkg locales and /msg dpkg keymap
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14:24<jkoenig>enouf: so that it will be permanent
14:24<valdyn>Astero1D: you cant do that
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14:25<jkoenig>meshuggah: just answer 'ca' instead of 'us' when asked about the keyboard layout.
14:25<meshuggah>but it was ca
14:25<meshuggah>it was already
14:25<enouf>Astero1D: there's a pkg called secure-delete, but that needs to be setup prior, IINM
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14:26<valdyn>Astero1D: you can only if you use a filesystem that has no journaling and nothing like defrag, and never defrag or move a partition
14:26<Astero1D>I shreded a file, looks like it worked... dono
14:26<enouf>Astero1D: there's a tool called scrub out there are well somewhere in the wild
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14:26<jkoenig>meshuggah: oh.
14:27<meshuggah>enouf; i dont zqnt q french lqyout)azerty i live in cqnqdq
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14:27<enouf> i guess
14:27<meshuggah>ok better
14:27<meshuggah>anyway you helped me
14:27<meshuggah>i replaced fr by ca
14:27<enouf>well, replace fr with ca
14:27<meshuggah>done :)
14:28<meshuggah>will i need to do it each time i boot ?
14:28<meshuggah>éèàùò !!
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14:28<jkoenig>meshuggah: i think the keymap let you compose accents (type an apostrophe, then e, for instance)
14:28<valdyn>Astero1D: it didnt
14:28<enouf>maybe .. i think you need to follow up with those other factoids
14:28<meshuggah>jkoenig : it is what i want
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14:29<dpkg>To enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command, or
14:29<meshuggah>jkoenig, when doing è we need to press two button
14:29<meshuggah>1 after the other
14:29<meshuggah>the only 1 accent that we dont need to is é
14:29<meshuggah>cause it is used a lot
14:30<meshuggah>enouf : if i want to do what dpkg says us, but i want to use the left-alt button?
14:31<enouf>so map it that way
14:31<enouf>meshuggah: xmodmap -ppk
14:31<enouf>meshuggah: xmodmap -pk
14:31<enouf>meshuggah: xmodmap -pk | less
14:31<enouf>find that keycode
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14:32<jkoenig>meshuggah: you can use "xev" to show the keycode of pressed keys.
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14:33<enouf>and 'showkey' in console
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14:37<michael2>valdyn: the man page of shred says shred works when ext3 filesystems mode is data=ordered, which it is by default
14:38<valdyn>michael2: unless he defragged at some point
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14:39<michael2>valdyn: you mean that undeleting doesn't work then because defrag moves the data, and we no longer know where the old data was?
14:40<valdyn>michael2: yea
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14:42<billybigrigger>where can i find pre-built amd64 OO 3.0+ packages?
14:42<billybigrigger>or if i want 3.0 or 3.01 do i have to compile?
14:43<valdyn>shred is really hard to use right
14:43<valdyn>cant even use a text editor like vim, or shred is pointless
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14:44<Odinux>I need help for PureFTPD in Debian Lenny.
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14:45<Odinux>anyone can help me?
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14:45<billybigrigger>Odinux, whats up
14:45<billybigrigger>ill try and help you
14:45<billybigrigger>i use proftpd myself...
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14:45<billybigrigger>so i can't guarantee anything
14:46<billybigrigger>ya whats up, what's your problem
14:46<Odinux>ok the thing is I cannot connect myself to my server with the
14:46<billybigrigger>can't connect to your local machine?
14:46<Odinux>but I can connect to it with the external ip address but he made me an error
14:47<Odinux>for me because that's unroutable for me but for you I think he will work.
14:47<Odinux>but the think is I cannot login into my server internal ip
14:48<Odinux>I follow all the procedure like always and he don't want to
14:48<billybigrigger>so you can login with (example) but not
14:48<billybigrigger>you can't login through your local lan
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14:48<billybigrigger>that's kinda odd, i've never had that problem
14:49<billybigrigger>can you ping the machine? ping
14:49<Odinux>bizzare things because all the router is configured
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14:49<Odinux>yes my webserver at works
14:49<Odinux>with firefox here
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14:50<jrabbit>192.168.* is local
14:50<jkoenig>Odinux: have you checked the log files on your server ?
14:50<billybigrigger>im lost here i think
14:50<valdyn>Odinux: ip forwarding on? proftpd listening on which addresses?
14:50<billybigrigger>lol is the pureftp deamon running?
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14:51<jkoenig>Odinux: probably either pureftpd's own in /var/log or /var/log/daemon.log
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14:51<Odinux>ok I will check I'm connect to my server in SSH with putty so I will check that
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14:52<billybigrigger>well if he can access port 80 on the local lan, pureftp isnt accepting local connections or the service isnt started
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14:53<openIT>one question
14:53<Odinux>nothing wrong in the log
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14:53<openIT>wasn't kde 4 put in sid because of the freeze or because kde4.0 was horrible?
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14:54<frindly>hello, any xserver developer here?
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14:54<jkoenig>Odinux: how does it fail exactly ?
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14:55<jkoenig>Odinux: timeout, connection refused, error at login time ?
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14:56<frindly>i have problems with the new configuration free xserver
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14:56<jkoenig>Odinux: valdyn's questions about forwarding and the addresses on which it listens are relevant as well.
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14:57<lpcn>hi, how to add compiz in startup programs pls pls, adding "compiz --replace" dosent work for me. thx
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14:59<chealer>openIT: KDE 4 was basically not put in sid
14:59<valdyn>lpcn: why would autostarting it help make it work when compiz --replace already does not work?
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15:01<lpcn>compiz --replace work in console
15:01<openIT>chealer: so they hadn't put it in sid even if there wasn't a freeze for an new stable?
15:01<lpcn>but in autostarting menu no
15:01<trueno>Hi there!
15:01<valdyn>lpcn: which desktop environment are you using?
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15:02<chealer>openIT: right
15:02<valdyn>lpcn: make compiz run, however you want, compiz --replace is fine, then run gnome-session-save
15:02<Odinux>not timeout
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15:02<meshuggah>hi frindly
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15:03<openIT>nice , they think the right way :)
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15:03<meshuggah>i tried to plug a 120gig hd, i put it master , i plugged it and started the conmputer, it dont works and i dont hear it, is it dead?
15:03<lpcn>valdyn, Done
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15:04<valdyn>lpcn: that's all
15:05<lpcn>valdyn, apperciate your help, thank you
15:05<lanceallott>meshuggah: you could go to bios setup and see if it is detected
15:06<valdyn>Odinux: ftp is convoluted, i would drop asap
15:06<meshuggah>lanceallott : it is not
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15:07<lanceallott>meshuggah: not good, try removing the jumper...don't use any at all
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15:08<meshuggah>no jumper = slave
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15:08<meshuggah>and it is not slave, it is master, the slave is the dvdrom
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15:08<meshuggah>i even tried it alone on the ide card
15:08<meshuggah>i dont hear spin
15:08<meshuggah>hear it spin
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15:09<meshuggah>:( it is as big as all my 3 hd on this computer :(
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15:10<lanceallott>meshuggah: sounds old...hold it in you hand and give it a quick flick or two with you wrist
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15:10<meshuggah>or putting it in the freezer in a ziplock bag?
15:11<lanceallott>meshuggah: you read that book
15:11<meshuggah>lanceallott, lol :)
15:11<meshuggah>maybe 150 pages of that
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15:12<meshuggah>unfortunately i ve been given some computer piece, even a good p4 3ghz, but the asshole unplugged the cpu and let it loose in the case, so 1/2 of the cpu pins are deformed
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15:12<meshuggah>hello a 2nd time frindly
15:13<frindly>hi meshuggah
15:13<frindly>installed lenny?
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15:14<frindly>hi siduy
15:14<meshuggah>frindly, yes i succeed
15:14<frindly>thats fine. what graphic card?
15:14<lanceallott>meshuggah: then you will haft to get you BiC mechanical pencil (03mm) and start bending...very carefully
15:15<meshuggah>lanceallott : i dont really trust my hands for thisd
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15:15<meshuggah>and i dont want to screw up my mobo
15:15<meshuggah>frindly, ati radeon 7000
15:15<meshuggah>VE32M DDR
15:15<meshuggah>something like that
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15:17<trueno>How can I find the uuid's of all my partitions? I have no /dev/disk/by-uuid folder
15:17<lanceallott>meshuggah: I've straitened many a pin that way, what other options do you have?
15:17<frindly>ok. i have a nvidia onboard graphic card. i see after installing only a black screen. out of range
15:17<enouf>trueno: why not?
15:17<enouf>trueno: anyway - try blkid
15:18<schlaefer>frindly: what did you install?
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15:18<enouf>udevinfo - and lshal as well trueno
15:19<trueno>enouf: I have a 2.6.8 kernel, although I have dist-upgraded to lenny.
15:19<enouf>trueno: er, you did it wrong then ;-)
15:19<meshuggah>lanceallott : ok, but can it screw up my mobo?
15:19<trueno>enouf: the uuid's are partitions inside a lvm
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15:19<trueno>enouf: what was /is wrong then?
15:19<enouf>trueno: i don't think LVM uuids are the same as /dev/disk/by-uuid/
15:20<enouf>trueno: and neither are mdadm ones - that i do know
15:20<enouf>use your LVM tools to figure out what you need
15:20<lanceallott>meshuggah: if the cpu won't fit in the slot, dont force will just haft to buy a new cpu
15:21<enouf>meshuggah: stop being a wuss - i've straightened bent pins all the time on CPUs
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15:21<frindly>schlaefer: lenny. i boot from cd, install the system and after reboot... black screen, out of range. the automatic deteciton was wrong. after using my old xorg.conf everything is fine
15:21<trueno>enouf: my problem is that _after_ the upgrade, i had a power failure, and after that I can't mount the ext3 partitions any longer, and I don't know what to do to recover my data!
15:21<Odinux>I can connect to pureftpd server with my external ip, BUT I CANNOT Connect to the same server with his local address ip, what can I do with that?
15:21<enouf>trueno: boot a livecd and fix it
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15:21<meshuggah>hmm ok
15:21<lanceallott>meshuggah: but if it is anywhere close it will go in...
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15:21<jkoenig>Odinux: what does "netstat -lnt4 | grep :21" say on the server ?
15:22<jkoenig>Odinux: does it list your local IP ?
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15:22<jkoenig>(or, which means any of them)
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15:22<Odinux>ok 2 sec I will check that
15:22<stuckey>Is it normal for videos in youtube to begin at the very end?
15:23<trueno>enouf: by the way, I did a normal dist-upgrade with no problems, but I don't get why the kernel has not been replaced (?).
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15:23<Odinux>it's says
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15:23<trueno>enouf: After the power failure, my / is okay, (wa a normal ext3) the partitions in the lvm are the ones no longer working
15:24<jkoenig>Odinux: how does the connection fail ?
15:24<enouf>trueno: likely an initrd issue - and as i said - you did it wrong
15:24<trueno>enouf: then the thing is, how can I fix it?
15:24<jkoenig>Odinux: and do you have any NAT iptables rules ? (iptables -L -t nat, as root)
15:24<trueno>dpkg lenny
15:24<dpkg>from memory, lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>.
15:25<enouf>trueno: the move from 2.6.8 mkinitrd vs iniitramfs and from hotplug vs udev/hal/dbus can wreak havoc ;-)
15:25<meshuggah>lanceallott, can you explain me how to do it, like if i was a kid?
15:25<Odinux>Status: Connecting to ...
15:25<Odinux>Status: Connection established, waiting for the greeting
15:25<Odinux>Error: Could not connect to the server
15:25<enouf>yes, read those factoids trueno
15:25<trueno>enouf: mmm
15:25<trueno>enouf: apt-get install linux-kernel-2.6.26 (?)
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15:26<enouf>that's one way
15:26<schlaefer>frindly: did you try to install a official nvidia driver from
15:26<Odinux>oh no you dont said to me iptables is installed by default?
15:26<enouf>apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-image
15:26<enouf>select one
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15:27<schlaefer>Odinux: what says iptables -L?
15:27<jkoenig>Odinux: no if you didn't set it up (or other firewall software) it should be ok.
15:27<meshuggah>what is a mechanical pencil : un crayon a mine?
15:27<jkoenig>Odinux: but you should check anyway :-)
15:27<lanceallott>meshuggah: get mechanical pencil..remove the lead...position it over bent down...gently straighten...just eyeball it
15:27<Odinux>odinux:/home/jpl# iptables -L
15:27<Odinux>Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
15:27<Odinux>target prot opt source destination
15:27<Odinux>Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
15:27<Odinux>target prot opt source destination
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15:28<meshuggah>lanceallott, ok i understand
15:28<Odinux>it's says that before I was kicked
15:28<meshuggah>lanceallott, but i dont have one lol
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15:28<trueno>enouf: let's go then, thanks!!
15:28<schlaefer>Odinux: the iptables are ok
15:28<jkoenig>Odinux: and try the '-t nat' version as well.
15:28<Odinux>ok I will try that
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15:29<Odinux>command not found
15:29<lanceallott>meshuggah: you can get a pack of 10 at wallyworld for $2, i recommend BIC's
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15:29<jkoenig>Odinux: sorry i meant, "iptables -L -t nat"
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15:30<meshuggah>lanceallott, in a site it says to use a credit card
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15:30<lanceallott>meshuggah: trust me...mech pen is mmmuch better
15:31<jkoenig>Odinux: ok looks good as well.
15:31<Odinux>like I said I can connect to my server with my external ip but not with the internal ip address
15:31<jkoenig>Odinux: well i don't have another idea.
15:32<jkoenig>Odinux: your ssh connection uses the internal address right ?
15:32<Odinux>the port 20 and 21 are forwarded to
15:32<Odinux>yes my ssh use
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15:32<jkoenig>Odinux: ok
15:33<jkoenig>Odinux: maybe you can check pure-ftpd's configuration file for ACLs or something similar.
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15:33<Odinux>where is the configuration files?
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15:34<Odinux>when I restart the server it says:
15:34<Odinux>Restarting ftp server: Running: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -l puredb:/etc/pure-ftpd/pureftpd.pdb -l pam -u 1000 -E -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -B
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15:36<jkoenig>Odinux: have you had a look at the manual page ? ("man pure-ftpd")
15:36<jkoenig>Odinux: and does /var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log contain anything suspect ?
15:36<Odinux>ok I will check
15:37<walrus>Guys - this might seem like a silly question, but I think I just uninstalled my graphics driver, and I can't install it. It's supposed to be fglrx-glx-ia32 (I have amd64), but I thought I didn't have it, so, because a terminal message told me to and because I suck at using linux, I wrote 'sudo apt-get -f install', which apparently removed the driver. Now I can't install it, because of dependencies.. It says fglrx-driver is a dependancy, but I
15:37<walrus>can't install fglrx-driver (Well, it's not in repos at least)..
15:37<walrus>What am I supposed to do now? xD
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15:37<walrus>debian lenny, kde3.5 if it makes any difference
15:38<Odinux>nothing it contains a thing that I have transfered successfully when I was connected to the external ip
15:38<Odinux>not error
15:39<jkoenig>Odinux: well I don't have any idea then.
15:39<jkoenig>Odinux: maybe you can try another ftp server (or use the public IP from your LAN)
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15:40<Odinux>ok I will create one with vmware to see
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15:40<Odinux>is seems the router doesn't like the ftp with the internal ip
15:41<Odinux>He try to connect but he fails
15:41<Odinux>maybe if I try with another ftp client software
15:41<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference, or
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15:41<billybigrigger>well if OO 3.0 is in experimental how do i install it?
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15:42<jkoenig>Odinux: you can even try with 'telnet' to see if it's a connection problem or something higher-level.
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15:42<Odinux>telnet ?
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15:43<walrus>Actually, nevermind what I said. Not that anyone seems to care. : P
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15:43<Odinux>command not found
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15:44<walrus>On the other hand, in Display Settings, I can't choose resolution, and the resolution I have right now is crap. How do I change it?
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15:44<jkoenig>oh. Is that a Debian you're connecting from ? If so, you can 'apt-get install telnet'
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15:44<jkoenig>Odinux: also, use "telnet 21" (specify the ftp port)
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15:49<jkoenig>Odinux: it looks like it's definitively pure-ftpd which kicks you out (not a connection problem)
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15:49<jkoenig>Odinux: it probably does so based on your source address
15:50<Odinux>what can I do with that
15:50<jkoenig>Odinux: check the manpage and look for some stuff about access control.
15:51<jkoenig>Odinux: it's weird there's no trace in the logs though, maybe you can try to "grep pure /var/log/*" and see if something comes out.
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15:52<Odinux>oh lot of log here
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15:54<Odinux>/var/log/syslog:Feb 17 15:53:13 odinux pure-ftpd: (?@?) [ERROR] Sorry, invalid address given
15:54<lanceallott>Odinux: have you tried to ssh in instead of telnet and from X fish
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15:55<jkoenig>Odinux: you definitively want to read the manual page
15:55<jkoenig>Odinux: (run "man pure-ftpd")
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15:56<jkoenig>Odinux: also, you can probably configure the command-line in /etc/default/pure-ftpd (that's a guess though)
15:57<VelvetElvis>has anyone else been having trouble with the new virtualbox packages in sid?
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15:58<VelvetElvis>I get an error message on boot that a kernal module has failed to load and then when I try to start a VM I'm told to execute a non-existant entry under /etc/init.d
15:59<jochar>hi. i got plain debain 5.0 and i wanto add domain to point to nameservers can someone help me with that, my hosting company said i should use centos and lxadmin, but i preffer debian
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16:00<sepski>jochar, do you want to run a nameserver on your debian. or just tell it to use a spesific nameserver ?
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16:01<jochar>run my odw would be preffered, or what would be the easiest? i got only one ip tho
16:01<jochar>own even
16:01<Odinux>error usually indicates that the server was unable to open a connection back to the FTP client due to the client application attempting to re-use a socket that is still in use.
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16:02<Odinux>I thing that's what stopping the internal connection
16:02<sepski>jochar, if your ip is static you can run a nameserver. install bind9, and follow any bind9 tutorial on the web
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16:03<jochar>i got a fresh debian 5 install and a vps server
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16:04<trueno>enouf: It _did_ work!!! It actually worked after upgrading the kernel, thanks a lot!!
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16:05<sepski>jochar, that is nice, but what are your intentions? unless it cost you, or you want to learn, or you plain insist on it. it might be just as well to use your registrar's DNS server and update your info using whatever web admin tool they provide.
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16:05<Odinux>What is the reason that I cannot login with my internal ip but I can log into the server ftp with my external ip?
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16:06<jkoenig>Odinux: the ftp server open connections later, when you actually try to download somthing; in your case, you get rejected right after connecting
16:07<jkoenig>Odinux: I would suggest you to install another ftp daemon and see if it works better
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16:07<jochar>they web tool is lxadmin and that requires centos that i dont like and takes 2.2gb of hdd and i only got 10... i want my domaint to point to my server ip and i want to be in control of it
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16:08<lanceallott>Odinux: host.allow maybe
16:08<Odinux>ya but it works very good with my external ip
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16:08<jkoenig>Odinux: check the contents of /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny
16:08<lanceallott>Odinux: /etc/host.allow
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16:10<lanceallott>Odinux: will it should be hosts.allow
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16:10<Odinux>nothing in hosts allow and deny
16:11<Odinux>#text with that before but nothing uncommented
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16:13<Odinux>I follow that site when I install it:
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16:15<sepski>jochar, aptitude install bind9 then read
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16:15<sepski>and use etc/bind9 instead of /var/named
16:16<sepski>you might find a more debian angled tutorial if you bother to google just a tiny bit
16:16<sepski>but the basics are the same
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16:18<jochar>thanks sepski that will keep me busy for a while
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16:21<Odinux>I want to know if that address work at your home:
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16:22<meshuggah>yes it is
16:22<meshuggah>si senor
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16:25<meshuggah>allo jdee25
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16:25<jdee25>nutin much
16:26<jdee25>why theres no sound on this?
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16:26<meshuggah>n sound on what?
16:26<jdee25>this chat room
16:26<meshuggah>people talking?
16:26<dpkg>methinks evil is closed, proprietary software
16:27<meshuggah>talk to dpkg he is funny :)
16:27<dpkg>methinks fuck is cool
16:27<dpkg>i guess gates is In a world of free software, there are no fences or walls. So who needs Gates and Windows?
16:27<jdee25>i have kopete
16:27<ranix>please test the bot in pm
16:27<jdee25>how come no sound when they im me
16:27<meshuggah>ranix, sorry :)
16:28<meshuggah>jdee25, i dont know kopete
16:28<jdee25>u dont?
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16:30<meshuggah>no and i dont have kde
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16:31<meshuggah>i use lynx
16:31<meshuggah>irssi, sorry not lynx
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16:31<meshuggah>lynx is my browser
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16:37<chealer>jdee25: ask #debian-kde
16:37<lifestream>Hey all. Doesn't the edev driver configure all the mouse *media* buttons automatically?
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16:38<meshuggah>hi lifestream
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16:38<lifestream>hi there :)
16:39<lifestream>If I suddenly disapear it means my laptop battery went kaboom ^^
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16:51<meshuggah>enouf, what is the terminal command to change my keyboard map to ca ?
16:51<meshuggah>henn benj007
16:51<benj007>how are you
16:52<meshuggah>i am fine
16:52<meshuggah>and you ?
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16:52<benj007>me too
16:52<enouf>meshuggah: x or console?
16:52<enouf>meshuggah: setxkbmap ca for x
16:52<meshuggah>this one
16:52<benj007>who is a pro of filesystem, partition etc here ?
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16:53<meshuggah>benj007, => enouf .....he knows everything
16:53<enouf>meshuggah: use your ~/.nash_history ;-)
16:53<enouf>meshuggah: use your ~/.bash_history ;-)
16:53<enouf>meshuggah: stop that - not even funny
16:53<meshuggah>ok i will try
16:54<meshuggah>enouf, it is a compliment :)
16:54<enouf>meshuggah: history | grep setx ;-)
16:54<benj007>after a mistake with zcat I have a problem on my external hdd
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16:54<meshuggah>thank enouf
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16:54<enouf>meshuggah: i know ... still say anyone knows everything is foolish
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16:56<benj007>I wanted to do a zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1 (image of debian installer for usb key), but sdb1 was my external 500g hdd :)
16:57<meshuggah>enouf, yeah i know nobody knows everything, only the kid think that, when i say that you know everything, i mean that you know a lot(anyway more than me) :)
16:57<meshuggah>benj007, i am sorry i am not really good
16:58<enouf>meshuggah: ok then - still - allow each to answer if they can and want to (no worries though now, drop it please)
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16:59<enouf>benj007: well .. was your 500GB HDD bootable? had an OS installed? or just a partition + fs + data?
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17:00<benj007>so now I have a small filesystem fat16 of just 250m on a big partition of 500g , so I can see only this small part when I browse the hdd
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17:00<enouf>benj007: and how big in MB or KB is that boot.img.gz file when decompressed?
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17:01<benj007>yes was just partition + fs + data
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17:01<benj007>and the boot.img.gz is only around 250 meg
17:01<enouf>so you overwrote your 1st 250M of your sda1 then
17:01<benj007>yes I think so
17:02<enouf>benj007: what FSType was the partition originally?
17:02<enouf>benj007: the 500G one
17:02<benj007>but I don't know how to access my datas because now I have a small fs fat16 corresponding to the img.gz
17:03<benj007>on a big partition
17:03<benj007>for my previous datas
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17:03<enouf>benj007: so yuo had one big sda1 of fat32 ?
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17:03<benj007>now gparted tell me that the whole 500g are fat16
17:04<enouf>benj007: ok, well - that 'data' that was on your 1st 250M might be gone for good - can you live with that, so long as you fix the partition?
17:05<enouf>benj007: and possibly .. a bit more data, from other blocks that were parts of files that started somewhere below the 250M mark
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17:05<benj007>no problem for the first M but I reaaly want to access to the others G of course :)
17:06<enouf>benj007: best i can think of, without getting into fs recovery is try what "/msg dpkg gpart" tells you - also, take a look at testdisk and it's "photorec" utility
17:06<jochar>is sepski still here
17:07<enouf>benj007: if you have an extra 500G disk and you want to make a copy of what's there before messing with it - use ddrescue/gddrescue
17:07<benj007>gpart or parted you mean ?
17:07<jochar>server can't find NXDOMAIN < im getting this now but domain ping points to my ip
17:07<dpkg>gpart is probably a great tool to recover partition table when deleted some partitions by mistakes or overwrited the partition table - Now in Debian, install it the usual way .. or go get it at:, or more recent verstion at authors site:, or see also testdisk
17:07<enouf>is NOT gparted
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17:09<benj007>testdisk wants to restore the partition according to the size of the new FS 250M
17:09<benj007>only that
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17:09<benj007>because my partition appears like a 500G but the FS is 250m
17:09<benj007>so testdisk wants to do that
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17:10<adb> /sbin/iwconfig
17:10<smash>hello - anyone's ever used make-kpkg with distcc?
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17:12<benj007>enouf: gpart is running and for the moment its the same than with testdisk
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17:14<enouf>benj007: i said to use a certain utility from testdisk
17:14<enouf>not to run testdisk
17:15<meshuggah>anyone can point me to a website or something about how to make my debian more lightweight
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17:15<benj007>yes photorec
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17:16<jochar>ip is pointing to the right direction but nameservers wont reply :(
17:17<meshuggah>jochar, :(
17:17<k6orj>Hello everyone, Anybody have any luck installing Intell PRO/Wireless 3945ABG with the 2.6.26-1-686 kernel?
17:17<jochar>im setting up bind9 now on lenny
17:18<gsimmons>!tell k6orj -about iwlwifi
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17:18<s3a>is there a link that has ALL debian lenny bugs in one page or similar?
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17:22<k6orj>gsimmons Thank you reading. No laptop complete without wireless.
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17:22<stevex>elo mam takie male pytanie sprzetowe jesli w laptopie mam pamiec 1GB 667 Mhz i dokupie 2GB 800Mhz to pamieci beda pracowac na szybkosci 667 ?
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17:24<meshuggah>stevex, please speak in english
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17:24<meshuggah>stevex, or at least try
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17:27<enouf>!listvals slavic
17:27<dpkg>Factoid search of 'slavic' by value returned no results.
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17:28<enouf>!listvals slovenia
17:28<dpkg>Factoid search of 'slovenia' by value (3): si ;; jonka ;; .si.
17:28<dpkg>from memory, si is self-injury, or slovenia
17:28<enouf>dpkg: self-injure yourself
17:28<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, enouf
17:28<benj007>enouf: maybe with the boot sector I could change it to say that its a FS of 500g and fat32
17:29<enouf>that's what gpart is for
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17:29<enouf>s3a: /msg dpkg rc bugs
17:29<benj007>enouf: for the moment still only a 250m possible partition, still running
17:30<benj007>enouf: but because the partition is really a 500g but the FS 250m, all those softwares will want to only restore a 250m partition
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17:31<nmd202>hey. possible to grep for lines that contain '<a href= <random url>' then end in '.tar.gz'
17:31<nmd202>i was thinking regular expressions
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17:32<nmd202>but is it possibel to combine regular expressions with a text search string to refine a search?
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17:32<petemc>use grep -E
17:33<nmd202>like 'all lines that contain sally and end in run'
17:33<enouf>benj007: well .. then all that software is stupid :-P
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17:34<nmd202>but is it possible to combine regex with a text string or should i pipe the output through a second instance of grep
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17:34<benj007>enouf: ^^ testdisk gave me warnings about my geometry, but gpart no
17:34<petemc>nmd202: of course it is, thats what regular expressions do
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17:36<benj007>enouf: maybe I can restore correctly this small partition and then create a fat32 partion over the rest to access to the datas
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17:38<enouf>benj007: you could try zeroing out the 1st 250M and then reinstall a boot sector, then try the same tools again - but you then definitely will not to recover whatever was within that 1st 250M, at the least
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17:39<enouf>benj007: the real issue will be then .. trying to repair the FileSystem stucture
17:39<nmd202>this is what i tried. i want to find all lines that contain 'aug_files' and end with 'zip'
17:40<nmd202>grep \^>'<img src"aug_files'.zip$ aug
17:40<nmd202> the file 'aug'
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17:41<enouf>try maybe aug_file.*zip$ ?
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17:41<nmd202>didn't know i could use wildcards
17:41*enouf sucks at regex
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17:42<k6orj>Ok apparently the driver for my Intel 3945 wireless card is installed.. I think? but I just don't know how to use it. I am using KDE
17:43<amphi>k6orj: does ifconfig -a show the interface?
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17:44<Arcalyth>Hi all. I recently installed Debian Lenny onto my Dell Studio XPS 16 laptop. To make a long story short, suspend/resume doesn't work. I narrowed down one problem with resume giving me a blank screen to compiz running during suspend. I made a in /etc/acpi/suspend.d/ that kills compiz (but that doesn't seem to be working because resume still gives me the messed up screen, can someone help with that?). The other problem
17:44<Arcalyth>I have is that my touchpad doesn't work at all on resume. I tried binding/unbinding it and also reloading the psmouse module, neither works. What should I do?
17:45<k6orj>amphi No . . . lo and eith0
17:45<amphi>k6orj: what version of debian is this?
17:45<dpkg>If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>.
17:45<k6orj>lenny 2.6.26
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17:50<revlo>is there somewhere a mhh bigger list of changes in ldap stuff (mostly slapd) during the change etch -> lenny then just the slurpd mentioned on the release notes? there is at least the fact that lennys ldap utils are linked against gnutls... (best would be a migration guide ^^)
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17:51<k6orj>Werid: GPG error: etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done Couldn't find any package
17:51<k6orj>matched "ipw3945-modules-2.6.26-1-686" Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ipw3945-modules-2.6.26-1-686" The following NEW packages will be installed: firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d The following packages will be REMOVED: dvdauthor{u} ffmpeg{u} libavdevice52{u} libdc1394-22{u} libimlib2{u} libsmbios1{u} libswscale0{u} libxp6{u} perl-doc{u} perl-tk{u} 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 10 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 99.1kB o
17:51<k6orj> 25.3MB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y Writing extended state information... Done Get:1 etch/non-free firmware-ipw3945 0.4+etchnhalf.1 [61.5kB] Get:2 etch/non-free ipw3945d 1.7.22-4 [37.6kB] Fetched 99.1kB in 4s (24.3kB/s) (Reading database ... 153350 files and directories currently installed.) Removing dvdauthor ... Removing ffmpeg ... Removing libavdevice52 ... Removing libdc1394-22 ... Remov
17:51<k6orj>libsmbios1 ... Removing libswscale0 ... Removing libxp6 ... Removing perl-doc ... Removing `diversion of /usr/bin/perldoc to /usr/bin/perldoc.stub by perl-doc' Removing perl-tk ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Selecting previously deselected package firmware-ipw3945. (Reading database ... 151473 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking firmware-ipw3945 (from .../firmware-ipw3945_0.4+etchnhalf.1_all.deb) ... Selecting previously deselected pack
17:51<k6orj>3945d (from .../ipw3945d_1.7.22-4_i386.deb) ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Setting up firmware-ipw3945 (0.4+etchnhalf.1) ... Setting up ipw3945d (1.7.22-4) ... Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded. (warning). Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Writing extended state information... Done Reading task descriptions
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17:51<avu>what the schnitzel
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17:51<stew>!tell k6orj about paste
17:52<enouf>there's atleast 2000 chars there! @_@ .. how's that .. oh nm
17:53<benj007>enouf: arf I've just seen that I had to do the zcat on /dev/sdX and not on /dev/sdXY, I think I was very tired... :(
17:54<k6orj>stew I posted on that page but don't know where it went.
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17:54<enouf>benj007: right - and even so, if it's 250M when decompressed, it would've still overwritten your shit, oh wait a minute
17:54<enouf>benj007: erm .. because you got the /dev/name wrong to begin with ... twas my point .. now
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17:55<enouf>you did originally zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda1 ?
17:55<enouf>your 1st 63 sectors should be fine then
17:55<benj007>and I had to do sda
17:55<enouf>which includes your MBR
17:55<benj007>according to the manual
17:55<enouf>are you even paying attention?
17:56<benj007>now yes :)
17:57<enouf>all you have to do, is a) format ONLY the 1st 250M of sda1 as fat32/vfat and b) run a fsck on it, and repair it hopefully - but gpart should see what's in your MBR
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17:57<enouf>you might only have to zero out the 1st 250M and run a fsck / scandisk whatever on it
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17:58<benj007>mbr and boot sector, is it the same ?
17:59<enouf>here's what i'd do; create a blank file of ~ the approx correct size ; loop mount it using losetup ; run mkfs.vfat on it ; cut and paste ;-)
17:59<enouf>benj007: no, MBR is the 1st sector CHS 0,0,1 .. each partition also has it's own 1st sector (it's boot sector)
17:59<benj007>because testdisk say me that my boot sector is ok but it's a FAT&- BS
18:00<enouf>benj007: the 1st 63 sectors of the disk (where the MBR and another 32256bytes live) are hidden from File systems to use/touch .. but dd can get at it easily
18:02<benj007>ok thanks enouf I try to undertsna dand analyse what you tell me right now :)
18:02<benj007>many thanks
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18:03<k6orj>Stew Fixed part of it had a bak link in my sources list. But still no go on the "ipw3945"
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18:03<benj007>I don't know loop mount and losetup , but google is my friend :)
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18:04<k6orj>FATAL: Module ipw3945 not found.FATAL: Error running install command for ipw3945
18:05<amphi>k6orj: did you read what the bot said?
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18:05<benj007>enouf: whats the other way to format only the first 250M ?
18:05<themill>k6orj: you can't use ipw3945 with the 2.6.26 kernel.
18:05<enouf>benj007: basic steps and more are here
18:05<k6orj>Yes copy & paste
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18:06<enouf>benj007: i said it backwards, it needs a FS prior to any mounting, - loop/losetup , or otherwise
18:06<meshuggah>any way to reduce the maxspeed i download thing?(yeah i want to reduce my speed)
18:06<djc>ok.. got my wm set back up how I like it.. got xchat reconfigured..
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18:07<djc>so far no complaints
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18:07<k6orj>themill copy and paste.
18:07<enouf>benj007: i don't know of any FS tools for vfat or otherwise offhand that you can tell to stop at a certain point/sector/cylinder
18:07<k6orj>deb lenny main contrib non-free
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18:07<themill>k6orj: what about it? Try constructing a sentence...
18:07<k6orj>deb-src lenny main contrib non-free
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18:11<k6orj>themill Sorry was trying to add a few lines together but when I hit the enter key it sends the message.
18:11<themill>k6orj: don't add lots of lines together, use a pastebin, it's easier for everyone.
18:12<jdee25>how u install
18:12<jdee25>the flashplayer 10
18:13<themill>jdee25: etch or lenny?
18:13<themill>jdee25: you can't. sorry, flash 9 it is for you.
18:13<jdee25>than how
18:13<jdee25>u install that than?
18:14<themill>dpkg: tell jdee25 about adobe flash
18:15<d3co>i can't run eclipse!
18:16<k6orj>themill I have the error message I got after running "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945" posted on pastebin
18:16<themill>k6orj: which pastebin? url?
18:18<themill>k6orj: you need to tell me exactly which post it was... a url like is much more useful to us.
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18:18<themill>k6orj: but as I told you earlier, you can't use the ipw3945 driver with the 2.6.26 kernel. It just will not work.
18:18<themill>dpkg: tell k6orj about iwlwifi
18:18<meshuggah>which is heavier : gnome or kde?
18:19<themill>meshuggah: little difference if any
18:19<meshuggah>themill, and both are heavier than xfce right?
18:19<themill>meshuggah: never looked at xfce. Rumour has it you are correct though, but in such things, it's rarely worth paying attention to rumours. Try it yourself.
18:20<k6orj>themill I have contrib and non-free in my sources list.
18:20<themill>k6orj: run this and put the output in a pastebin: aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi firmware-ipw3945- ipw3945d-
18:20<djc>im on 2.6.26 and ipw2945 worksforme
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18:20<djc>er 3945
18:20<themill>djc: bet it doesn't.
18:21<themill>djc: ipw != iwl
18:21<djc>er.. what?
18:21<k6orj>I must have somthing wrong with the sources list.
18:21<themill>djc: they are two completely different drivers.
18:21<themill>k6orj: there's nothing wrong with your sources.list.
18:21<djc>well.. if you have an intell 3945 wifi chip, use iwl3945 it works fine
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18:22<themill>djc: quite. There's just a very high attenuation filter between me and k6orj at the moment...
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18:23<djc>mine got installed when i installed lenny.. i just had to go into synaptic and grok for the nonfree microcode for it
18:23<djc>then after that was installed it 'just worked'
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18:23<themill>djc: yes. This is how it is supposed to be.
18:24<djc>will debian make coffee for me?
18:25<meshuggah>djc : yes
18:25<djc>damn debian.. I dont drink coffee
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18:25<meshuggah>djc : he can serve you beer or whiskey
18:25<themill>!beer djc
18:25*dpkg pulls out a fine Delirium Tremens for djc
18:25<benj007>enouf: is it the right command to backup my actual mbr in a file called mbr.bin ? "dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.bin bs=512 count=1"
18:25<djc>now dont go ruining my joke
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18:27<djc_>benj007, uhm, sure.. but what do you need to backup your mbr for?
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18:27<k6orj>themill Indon't know what would cause: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ipw3945-modules-2.6.26-1-686"Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ipw3945-modules-2.6.26-1-686"
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18:27<benj007>to then read it just to see if its still the right mbr
18:27<benj007>I can read it with the command file I think
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18:27<djc_>and if you are saving it to your hard drive, if it gets erased, how would you restore it if you were unable to boot into your system ?
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18:28<djc_>'read it with the command file' does not cimpute
18:28<themill>k6orj: that is caused by you not being able to use the ipw3945 driver with that kernel. Those packages are a kernel driver... they don't exist. Anywhere. You need to use the iwlwifi driver instead. As I have told you 3 times now.
18:28<k6orj>Ok I will look I am sorry
18:29<k6orj>themill Ok I will look I am sorry
18:29<themill>k6orj: run this and put the output in a pastebin: aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi firmware-ipw3945- ipw3945d-
18:29<djc_>you do you mean like "file mbr.bin".. which will happily confirm for you that its an x86 boot sectore
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18:29<lee28>I am very new and clueless with ubuntu 8.10 and I was hoping I might be able to get some help frrom some one
18:29<djc_>but doesnt tell you if its the same x86 boot sector you may or may not have had before
18:30<djc_>if when you power up, your system boots into grub, your mbr is fine
18:30<themill>lee28: if you're using ubuntu, then you probably want #ubuntu on instead.
18:30<lee28>oh ok how do I get to that
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18:32<djc__>excuse my french
18:32<djc__>I think my wrtg needs a reboot... maybe
18:32<djc__>offline for a bit
18:32<benj007>i can see "mbr.bin: x86 boot sector, mbr, extended partition table (last)\011"
18:33<djc__>yeah, its a boot sector.. why are you worrying about it?
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18:33<enouf>benj007: you can call your backup of your MBR anything you like
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18:34<djc__>the question is, why do you think you need a backup of it, and if it got corrupted and you couldnt boot into your system, do you have a plan on how to access the backup and reinstall it?
18:34<enouf>djc__: because he did zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda1 when he meant /dev/hda or similar
18:34<enouf>djc__: why wouldn't you back it up?
18:35<urdh>does anyone here have experience with netbooting sparcs from a mac?
18:35<enouf>you boot a livecd and restore it - easy
18:35<djc__>or just, oh I dunno, rerun grub to put it back?
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18:36<benj007>according to this website I could read the partition table like like
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18:36<benj007>but ive got only "extended partition table (last)\011"
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18:37<lee28>I am trying to apply the udf-0.9.8 file system patch and I wouldnt have a clue how to do it
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18:39<benj007>its possible to write a new fresh mbr code with testdisk
18:39<themill>lee28: /server /join #ubuntu
18:41<jdee25>when i try to edit
18:41<jdee25>the souces.list
18:41<jdee25>keep saying acess denied
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18:41<k6orj>jdee25 must be root
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18:42<benj007>enouf: is it a good idea to try to copy a new fresh mbr code with testdisk ?
18:42<Zvezdichko>Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp! I have trouble with apt-pinning
18:43<Zvezdichko>I pin the priorities one over another, but when I do apt-get update/upgrade, it still search for older versions
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18:43<jdee25>u root?
18:43<jdee25>im not editing the file by command
18:44<k6orj>jdee25 are you using kde?
18:44<jdee25>yea debian
18:45<k6orj>put k6orj in the message so I know when you are talking to me. It rings a bell in my computer.
18:45<themill>dpkg: tell Zvezdichko about pinning
18:46<benj007>enouf: I think the best solution is to rebuild a nice boot sector for the whole partition in FAT32
18:47<k6orj>jdee25 Click on the K>System>More Applications>File Manager Navigate to the file you want to edit and click from there. Should work
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18:48<Ikarus>Hrm, going to have to pull a mirror of Debian and sneakernet it into work one of these days
18:48<Ikarus>512kbit/s downstream is a pain
18:48<Zvezdichko>Oh, I see
18:48<Ikarus>carrying my laptop has much more bandwidth :P
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18:49<Zvezdichko>Thanks, I wanted to install KDE 4.2 on my debian lenny (stable), obviously it's too early to do that
18:49<enouf>benj007: i told you how i would do it - it's up to you to decide what to do - i have to go now, i'll bbl though
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18:50<benj007>thanks enouf
18:50<enouf>benj007: you don't need fresh new MBR code, you have that - AFAICT .. and if you did need one, use the mbr pkg, and use install-mbr
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18:51<enouf>benj007: but yes, you do need a new/rewritten sda1 boot sector (sector 63/64) use fdisk -lu to notice
18:51<k6orj>Ok everyone. Now that I have wlan0 in my ipconfig how do I connect to a router using KDE
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18:52<benj007>enouf: I will try to see
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18:52<djc__>k6orj, you got the networkmanager icon?
18:52<enouf>benj007: you might even just be able to fire up cfdisk or any partitioning tool and mark sda1 as fat32 (0x0c IIRC)
18:52<djc__>looks just like the windoze network icon?
18:52<djc__>right click it.. make sure 'enable wireless' is set
18:52<Arcalyth>Hi all. I recently installed Debian Lenny onto my Dell Studio XPS 16 laptop. To make a long story short, suspend/resume doesn't work. I narrowed down one problem with resume giving me a blank screen to compiz running during suspend. I made a in /etc/acpi/suspend.d/ that kills compiz (but that doesn't seem to be working because resume still gives me the messed up screen, can someone help with that?). The other problem
18:52<Arcalyth>I have is that my touchpad doesn't work at all on resume. I tried binding/unbinding it and also reloading the psmouse module, neither works. What should I do?
18:52<djc__>then left click it, it should scan for ap's
18:53<enouf>benj007: that would be the PartitionID .. which alone isn't enough, not when the FS is damaged
18:53<enouf>ok --> out
18:53<k6orj>djc_ I don't see it but I will try to get it.
18:54<themill>k6orj: install the network-manager-kde package and then start the KNetworkManager applet from the KDE menu.
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18:54<djc__>themill, odd, i thought it was installed stock
18:54<djc__>oh.. for kde
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18:55<themill>djc__: I think it is, but it might not be running. No harm in checking.
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18:55<And1>Hey folks, could anyone using nicotine-plus on etch deliver some screenshot to me please?
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18:57<jdee25>thanks alot man
18:57<Astero1D>Will PCI express 2.0 video card go into PCI express slot? or do I need a pci express 2.0 slot?
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18:58<dr|z3d>Astero1D: Hand on, you asked the *same* question yesterday. The answer is yes, but you'll lose performance.
18:59<pah>is there anything to be awareof if changing lenny to squeeze in sources.list?
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18:59<Ikarus>pah: right now, no
18:59<Astero1D>dr|z3d, no thatw as my brother and i dont think he figured it out :)
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18:59<Astero1D>dr|z3d, loose half the performance?
18:59<Ikarus>hrm, I guess it is rather evil to mirror Debian entirely if apt-proxy or apt-catcher-ng is more appropriate, but otoh, it saves me alot of time in first-downloads
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19:00<Astero1D>dr|z3d, so there is really no point in buyng a pci express 2 card right?
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19:00<dr|z3d>Astero1D: Couldn't tell you offhand the performance hit, google will know :)
19:00<pah>hmmm, seems it doesnt'l like squeeze/volatile for now :)
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19:01<dr|z3d>Astero1D: The only reason would be if you intended to upgrade to a pcie2 mainboard at some future point. So in essence, no.
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19:01<dr|z3d>(Unless you plan on upgrading the mainboard *soon*)
19:01<Astero1D>dr|z3d, yep, that makes sense.
19:01<pah>ooops, 203 upgradeable packets *already*?
19:01<Astero1D>dr|z3d, no plans for that
19:02<pah>wow, thought it would take longer :)
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19:03<Ikarus>Anyone want to recommend how to mirror Debian at the moment ? the ftpsync script or apt-mirror ?
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19:19<stevee>Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me with a Lenny install issue?
19:19<meshuggah>stevee, what is it^
19:20<stevee>I have a Thinkpad R52. I've had it dual booted with XP and Etch for quite a while... I thought I'd give Lenny a go
19:21<meshuggah>did you installed yet? or you worry you will get some problems?
19:21<stevee>I burnt a net install CD, and booted from it... Everything went smoothly, after 40 minutes it got to 25% in the "Select and install software" progress bar, retrieving file 815 or 815, and then just stopped dead
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19:21<Pyrhos>network down ? :o
19:22<meshuggah>stevee, it stopped for a long while?
19:22<stevee>I'm connected via cat5 (couldn't get the installer it detect the ipw2200 firmware on my usb stick)... Nope, network fine
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19:22<wil>holaa ... !!
19:22<abrotman>stevee: didn't i tell you earlier to skip that part ?
19:22<stevee>yup, I walked away and left it for 5 minutes, progress bar never moved from 25%, no activity on the network or the CD
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19:22<stevee>@abrotman, not me... I haven't been here before!
19:23<meshuggah>stevee : ant activity of your hd?
19:23<abrotman>oh .. must have been someone else
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19:23<stevee>I skipped that part myself and rolled out the cat5 cable anyway ;-)
19:23<marsha>I'm trying to do a network install of etch, but cannot find get the mirror setup right.
19:24<stevee>I didn't have any problem like this with etch, it went on beautifully smoothly
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19:24<abrotman>stevee: skip the tasksel part ... do it after the install finished
19:25<marsha>how would I go about finding out which mirror I can download and net install etch from?
19:25<abrotman>!cd archive
19:25<dpkg>A repository of older(unsupported) CD images can be found at
19:25<stevee>@meshuggah, no activity at all...
19:26<abrotman>marsha: 4.0r7 in that URL
19:26<marsha>so I would manually set the repo in the installer to that?
19:26<stevee>I had to boot back up from a knopix CD, change the active partition and get back into XP, where I am now
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19:26<marsha>Silly question, how do I specify 4.0r7?
19:27<dondelelcaro>marsha: if you're using etch, it comes automatically
19:27<stevee>@abrotman: The tasksel?
19:27<abrotman>i hate @foo
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19:27<marsha>dondelelcaro: I'm trying to net install to a machine that has no os
19:28<abrotman>stevee: skip the part where you pick the Desktop/laptop/standard
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19:29<marsha>the net install floppies from last year don't want to let me grab the kernal modules
19:29<dondelelcaro>see /topic
19:29<dondelelcaro>err, echan
19:29<stevee>abrotman: I didn't change those, I just went along with what it had selected, which was desktop, laptop and something else I forgot! It was just the same as Etch had done
19:30<marsha>Once I get etch installed then I can upgrade to lenny. My 'puter's CD-ROm is not working, thus the network install
19:30<stevee>At least Ubuntu had the decency to screw up right at the front menu, not after 4 minutes! :p
19:30<stevee>I mean 40 minutes!
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19:31<abrotman>stevee: right .. uncheck them ... just install standard
19:31<marsha>abrotman: Thanks for the help - much appreciated :)
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19:32<stevee>abrotman: Okay, I'll try that... How do I add the roles later? (I'm still really a newbie in Linux)
19:32<abrotman>stevee: depends what you want to install ..
19:32<abrotman>X ? KDE? Gnome?
19:32<stevee>I'm used to gnome
19:33<abrotman>aptitude install gnome xorg
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19:33<stevee>oh, that easy :-) cool
19:33<stevee>I'll give that a go
19:34<stevee>How do I get the bits from the laptop role?
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19:34<blarson>stevee: tasksel
19:35<stevee>thanks... Like I said... N00bie!
19:35<stevee>Hopefully next time I'm here it will be from within Lenny over the ipw2200 wireless (crosses fingers)
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19:35<stevee>thanks all
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19:38<abrotman>maybe he should have asked about the firmware ?
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19:42<tirimz>hey guys, can u help me? There is a way to control scaling governor (cpu frequency) by power manager ?
19:43<dr|z3d>tirimz: If your cpu supports it, sure.
19:43<dr|z3d>apt-cache search cpufreq
19:43<meshuggah>any Speech Recognition software for debian?
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19:43<tirimz>i have cpufreq installed, but everytime i have to change it on gedit ...
19:44<tirimz>there is a way to change it by buttons on gnome? like power manager
19:44<abrotman>meshuggah: /msg dpkg search
19:45<tirimz>like rightclik powermanager button, power mode, conservative
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19:45<dr|z3d>apt-cache search cpufreq .. try that, then come back..
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19:50<guilherme>hi, how can i use gcc 4.1.2 if i have installed this one and 4.3 too?? thanks
19:50<abrotman>CC=whatever compilecommand
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19:52<Puffy>hi guys
19:52<tirimz>is it gnome-cpufreq-applet?
19:52<Puffy>I have a question about packaging
19:53<tirimz>is it gnome-cpufreq-applet? drjz3d
19:53<Puffy>so, I want to package FASM but the source code for it is written in FASM
19:53<Puffy>so how should I set up the makefile?
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19:53<tirimz>is it gnome-cpufreq-applet? dr|z3d
19:53<guilherme> CC=whatever , do i have to use before i try to compile or use like gcc ./... -o ./ CC=whatever ?? thanks
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19:56<tirimz>(because i use a daemon, but its way to treat cpu changes then i change power governor )
19:56<Puffy>having a self-hosted compiler is alright then?
19:57<dr|z3d>tirimz: Quite probably that's what you want, yes.
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20:00<tirimz>dr|z3d, i have tried to install gnome-cpufreq-applet, but it simply not installs. on aptitude it haves a "v" on left
20:01<dr|z3d>Try installing via Synaptic, you should get more feedback on why it fails.
20:01<tirimz>it talks i have installed gnome-applets.
20:02<dr|z3d>So you already have it installed, perhaps? Have you tried adding it to a panel?
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20:04<tirimz>im tring but there is nothing talking about it
20:05<abrotman>right click on the panel, choose Add .. find it
20:05<tirimz>i did it
20:05<tirimz>i cant find
20:05<tirimz>mini-Inhibition is only thing that apears to be
20:05<dr|z3d>search for cpu
20:05<dr|z3d>or govern
20:05<tirimz>cpu monitor and nothing for governor
20:06<tirimz>my cpu monitor just talk what is my cpu frequency
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20:06<tirimz>but no way to change it
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20:07<tirimz>cpu monitor just show my frequency, no way to change it
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20:12<guilherme>how can i use gcc 4.1 if i have 4.1 and 4.3 installed??
20:13<tirimz>it must be cpufreq-selector? i typed dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets and it appears for chosing between needing of sudo or not for change cpufreq
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20:15<tirimz1>it must be cpufreq-selector? i typed dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets and it appears for chosing between needing of sudo or not for change cpufreq
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20:15<tirim>it must be cpufreq-selector? i typed dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets and it appears for chosing between needing of sudo or not for change cpufreq
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20:16<tirim>why nobody talks nothing
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20:18<meshuggah>tirim, hi
20:18<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, rm is used to delete a file (syntax: rm <file>), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2) RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs) Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release. <safe-rm>
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20:19<meshuggah>i want to remove a directory with rm, and to delete all the subdirectory including files and everything, what is it? L)
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20:23<Ikarus>meshuggah: rm -r
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20:24<meshuggah>oki tank iou
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20:26<tirim>it must be cpufreq-selector? i typed dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets and it appears for chosing between needing of sudo or not for change cpufreq. BUT i cant find him on right click, add applets
20:27<tirim>add to pannel
20:28<tirim>please whats happening
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20:28<enouf>tirim: tried gconf-editor? or maybe even cpufreq in an xterm/console?
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20:30<enouf>tirim: some documentation you can read is in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ and man pages - also checkout and /cpuidle there
20:31<enouf>tirim: i know nothing about gnome, nor applets - /msg dpkg gnome
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20:32<tirim>i have cpufreq installed and so gnome-applets
20:33<tirim>but it dont appears on add to panel
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20:37<enouf>tirim: try firing up gnome using gksu or gksudo
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20:37<enouf>tirim: try System > Preferences >
20:37<enouf>tirim: firing up == starting up
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20:38<enouf>tirim: heck, try gnome-control-center
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20:38<enouf>!+tell tirim -about gnome
20:38<dpkg>told tirim about gnome.
20:39<tirim>i tried to restart gnome if its the problem
20:40<tirim>oooohh, t found a tutorial, this is possible do it now,.. thanks
20:40<tirim>it works, thanks for helping
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20:41<tirim>and thanks for some english vocabulary...
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20:42<tirim>firing up is new for me.. im Brasilian... ty
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20:42<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
20:42<tirim>oh, i nkow these chjanels, but here i foun more help
20:42<dr|z3d>Obviously you're welcome to hang here, also.
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20:57<GT>Whenever I open a terminal on my brand-new Debian install, messages along the order of
20:57<GT>Message from syslogd@localhost at (date):
20:57<GT>localhost kernel: [(numbers)] do_IRQ: 0.83 No irq handler for vector
20:57<GT>stream down the window, making it very hard to really do anything in the terminal. System performance is otherwise fine. Does anyone know what this is indicative of, and how to solve it?
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20:59<GT>Whenever I open a terminal on my brand-new Debian install, messages along the order of "Message from syslogd@localhost at (date): localhost kernel: [(numbers)] do_IRQ: 0.83 No irq handler for vector" stream down the window, making it very hard to really do anything in the terminal. System performance is otherwise fine. Does anyone know what this is indicative of, and how to solve it?
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21:05<nmd202>i'm trying to use sed to replace some text in a file in the form of 'sed -i s/hot/cold/ *.txt' BUT the text i'm trying to replace has the '/' character which is being interpreted as the beginning of the next replace field. i tried using '\' before the '/' but that did not work. can anyone see what i'm doing wrong here?
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21:07<abrotman>can you give us an actual example? (and there is a #sed on freenode)
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21:08<dkr>GT: I'm guessing, but perhaps a BIOS setting regarding interrupts might be set to something unusual?
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21:10<dkr>nmd202: perl -pi -e's@hot/with/slashes@cold@' *.txt
21:11<nmd202># worked just as well
21:11<dkr>sed may let you use other delimiters like that the same way, but I was unsure so went with what I know, :)
21:12<GT>Actually, I think it's probably my TV tuner card. I've had problems with it before, but Ubuntu treats it fine. I'm now concentrating on getting my ability to boot Ubuntu back, which I seem to have mysteriously lost when Debian installed GRUB differently than I expected...
21:12<dkr>yeah, flaky and/or unrecognized hardware could give the kernel issues with understanding the interrrupts it is sending
21:13<dkr>use a rescue disk/the install cd
21:14<GT>I'm planning to boot off my USB drive, since I can at least get a terminal up on that, but I'm not really sure just how to fix the problem.
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21:16<GT>See, I already have a separate /boot partition at hd0,0. I thought I had gotten the Debian installer to see it and try and use it, and made sure not to format it, but it asked me later if I wanted to install it to the master boot record on my hard disk, or... What's the other option there?
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21:28<kapil>GT: manually install the necessary lines in your grub configuration and skip debian's grub installation step.
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21:34<mib_dbsvxo>what is the diference between aptitude full-upgrade and dist-upgrade?
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21:35<mib_dbsvxo>why so much peoble quit?
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21:36<dpkg>methinks netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated).
21:36<mib_dbsvxo>why so much peoble quit?
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21:36<mib_dbsvxo>what is the diference between aptitude full-upgrade and dist-upgrade?
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21:37<mib_dbsvxo>aptitude dist-upgrade x aptitude full-upgrade. whats the difference?
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21:38<Pyrhos>dist-upgrade is deprecated
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21:39<Pyrhos>man aptitude
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21:41<mib_dbsvxo>ok, i was using it to upgrade etch->lenny and now i used lenny->squeeze
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21:41<mib_dbsvxo>all woeking
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21:49<stevee>Hello again, just thought I'd say thanks for the help... Here I am, on the thinkpad R52, using xchat from within gnome :)
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21:50<stevee>I still have the wifi to sort, which should be fun as I'm using wpa2, but I think I shall leave that for the morning. So thanks for the assistance earlier... Installing the base system and then manually using aptitude to add gnome and xorg did the trick
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21:50<abrotman>but do you have wifi ?
21:51<stevee>abrotman: not yet
21:51<abrotman>okay then ..
21:51<abrotman>should be just install the firmware .. though i guess you have to do the WPA dance
21:51<stevee>I remember giving up trying to get wpa2 to work in etch, so I imagine it's going to be fun tomorrow!
21:51*abrotman always trips and falls over
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21:51<stevee>anyway, many thanks for the help
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22:03<racecar56>yay for lenny
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22:13<GT>Okay, this is going to sound real, real slow, but in, say, the type of interactive configuration thing that comes up for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, how are you supposed to check and uncheck items?
22:14<GT>I've tried just about every key I can think of, and the asterisks don't appear or disappear.
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22:19<chealer>GT: by pressing space
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22:20<GT>SPACE! Of course it's the one thing I didn't hit..
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22:51<amdgoon>After trying a couple of different repositories, I am not able to install iceape, instead I get the error about it being referred to by another package, obsolete, etc.
22:51<amdgoon>Has it been removed?
22:52<amdgoon>using lenny on the machine here
22:52<abrotman>apparently so
22:53<amdgoon>hmmm, I'm surprised.
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22:53<amdgoon>I guess there will be a notice somewhere in the debian site.
22:54<k6orj>I can't get my laptop to connect wifi with KDE
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22:56<k6orj>Anyone get there laptop to connect to wifi with KDE?
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22:57<chealer>amdgoon: basically, yes
22:57<chealer>k6orj: yes
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22:58<amdgoon>hmmm, looking at bug#511477 now.
22:58<stevee>abrotman: WPA2 alive and working :)
22:58<stevee>Now I really am going to go to bed! (4am in UK!)
22:58<abrotman>so much for morning :)
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22:58<stevee>Well it *is* morning, technically!
22:59<amdgoon>good morning stevee
23:00<stevee>A few interesting fiddles to get NetworkManager to work, like put my user into netdev group so I can actually use it, but after that little oddness, it works well :-)
23:00<stevee>Hello amdgoon :)
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23:01<stevee>right, def off to bed now... Lappy all happy, dual boot working perfectly, power management working, centrino wifi working, video streaming from Thecus box working... Not a bad nights work :)
23:01<stevee>nn all
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23:03<kop>I'm mirroring debian with the old anonftpsync script. I'm mirroring all releases, and only excluding certain architectures (ARCH_EXCLUDE="alpha ...). When I run "aptitude update" I get the message "W: Conflicting distribution: etch Release (expected etch but got sarge)". What's the problem?
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23:06<kop>According to the mirror trace I'm mirroring the master as of Feb 17th, so it does not seem that being out of date is the problem.
23:06<kop>My sources.list uses "etch" only, never stable or sarge or anything.
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23:07<wired>Im on Debian 5.0 and I am wondering how I can get sunjava plugin working on here?
23:07<amdgoon>kop: the aptitude update is being run on a different machine, not the mirror?
23:07<abrotman>wired: i386?
23:08<abrotman>apt-cache search sun jre
23:08<kop>amdgoon : yes.
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23:08<wired>it says openoffic suite
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23:08<wired>openoffice suite
23:08<wired>what do i do
23:08<abrotman>wired: and you probably want to search for the 'sun plugin' also
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23:08<ch4rles_>?DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0
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23:09<kop>I figure I'll move to a different mirror tool (apparently the recommended one is now a debian package) when I upgrade to lenny, but in the mean time I'd like to upgrade from my mirror so things don't take forever.
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23:10<blarson>!tell wired about install java
23:10<amdgoon>kop: odd, i also am using the anonftpsync for a mirror here. Have used it to move a machine to lenny, so far so good.
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23:11<amdgoon>I was concerned the mirror would fail some how, but nothing bad yet.
23:11<wired>it just gave me opensync plugin for sunbird and iceowl
23:13<kop>amdgoon : I suppose it makes sense for me to make sure that source.list has a "backup" repository when it comes time to upgrade the host that's got the mirror. It's good to hear it works for someone. I guess I'll try googling my error msg.
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23:13<kop>Btw, apt-get update gives the same error message.
23:15<amdgoon>hmmm, sorry I cannot assist more. If you point that box at a different mirror and try to apt-get update, does it still happen?
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23:17<wired>what package is java to install?
23:17<kop>amdgoon : I'm thinking it's because I'm using apt-cacher for Let me try turning apt-cacher off. (Sounds like an apt-cacher bug.)
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23:18<kop>!tell angelo -about es
23:20<kop>amdgoon : Nope. That's not it.
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23:23<kop>amdgoon : I have another mirror of debian-multimedia. That seems to be where the problem is. I'll have to figure it out.
23:23<chealer>wired: it depends on what you mean. java is a programming language.
23:24<wired>i need the iceweasle plugin
23:24<amdgoon>just wondering if a mirror has a bad Release file?
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23:26<kop>amdgoon : Here we go. dates back to Feb 14 9AM (ish) UTC. So, before the release. I guess I wait for my mirror to update.
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23:28<amdgoon>interesting, so once that syncs up, it can work again?
23:28<cellular>i have debian lenny
23:28<cellular>and i installed ati fglrx driver 9.1
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23:29<kop>amdgoon : That's what it's complaining about. I suppose I could temporarly remove it from my sources.list. The site seems to be plogged up, but then maybe I've the wrong url....
23:29<cellular>X server dont accept DidplaySize and DPI option
23:29<cellular>in xorg.conf
23:30<kop>cellular : How did you install the driver, using synaptic or aptitude or something?
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23:30<cellular>i buid deb pkg from original
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23:30<amdgoon>kop: I used: deb lenny main
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23:31<kop>cellular : In my experience you want to get as much software from the debian repositories as possible. If its' in the non-free repository then use apt to install it and you won't have problems. (But you'll have to undo what you did.)
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23:32<cellular>kop: u have fglrx driver installed?
23:32<kop>cellular : No, not that I know.
23:33<cellular>driver is ok
23:33<kop>amdgoon : I used because it kept oldstable, the only one I could find that kept oldstable.
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23:33<cellular>but i have small fonts
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23:33<cellular>because bad DPI
23:33<kop>amdgoon : Which, at the moment I need until I get around to upgrading everything.
23:33<Ethaniel>Hi everyone, I'm having a little problem. I updated Guest Additions under Debian, and suddenly lost my Internet connection. For some reason, "eth0" became "eth1", so I modified the configuration, and I can navigate again. But, now I'm having problems with sound, and I think it's a similar issue. ALSA detects the sound board, but alsamixer shows all volume in zero. I raise the volume but...
23:33<Ethaniel>...still have no sound. Any ideas?
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23:34<kop>Ethaniel : What is "Guest Additions"?
23:34<amdgoon>ah, right. thanks for the info, I have around 20 etch boxes to keep going for another couple of months.
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23:35<Ethaniel>"VirtualBox Guest Additions"
23:36<Ethaniel>I think it's happening the same with the network card.
23:36<Ethaniel>Suddenly changed from eth0 to eth1.
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23:36<Ethaniel>So, maybe is the same with the sound board.
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23:37<Ethaniel>Changed from "something" to "another thing", and I just don't know how to find it.
23:37<kop>amdgoon : is now up to date to Feb 17 with multimedia, so updating my mirror should fix things.
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23:37<mu>Hi, what do you do if there is information missing/wrong in the wiki?
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23:37<kop>munga`: You fix it.
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23:38<kop>Ethaniel : see below
23:38<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
23:38<mostaza>huh I dont see how
23:39<mostaza>oh, I guess I need to sign up...
23:39<kop>Ethaniel : So, if the virtual mac address changes you get a different nic. There's a couple of other udev rules that do the same sort of thing with other hardware.
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23:40<kop>Ethaniel : You can probably fake it with the udev rules like the "forcedeth mac" hack.
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23:42<cellular>who have debian lenny + ATI fglrx driver pls q me
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23:43<Ethaniel>How can I check the actual status of my card, or to check if Debian thinks there's two cards installed?
23:43<wired>could i use the etch repositories on debian 5.0?
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23:45<kop>wired : You'd need to use the lenny repositories. (But check the release notes, or the announcment. I recall something about backports becoming official, so you may need to use a different url ... or something.)
23:45<Ethaniel>(Well, if Lenny is out I could reinstall everything...)
23:45<kop>Ethaniel : You check the udev rules file.
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23:46<wired>do you know where i could find instructions?
23:46<kop>Ethaniel : The one mentioned in the factoid.
23:46<kop>wired : At
23:46<wired>only gives me etch repos
23:46<kop>wired: Then check the release notes and/or release announcement.
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23:48<Ethaniel>Okay, I found the udev rules. Three entries, the only difference is the MAC address. Now, the equivalent of this for a sound card would be...?
23:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 377] by debhelper
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23:50<wired>i dont see anything
23:50<kop>Ethaniel : Dunno. The file is written by a rule in a file with the word 'generator' in it. So look at all the '*generator*' files and see what file names they create.
23:50<wired>do any of you have backports on 5.0?
23:51<kop>Ethaniel : All I know about is the nic udev stuff. The rest I'm guessing about.
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23:52<Ethaniel>Okay, I'll see what I can find. Thanks, kop.
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23:52<kop>wired : Maybe there's nothing at for lenny because nothing's been backported yet? I think you'll have to google.
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23:53<wired>kop: With debian-multimedia should i add the lenny repos?
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23:56<kop>wired : Dunno.
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23:57<GT>Person switching from Ubuntu to Debian, and having to switch back because their hardware does something funny with Debian. Debian overwrote /bot/grub/menu.lst, failing to recognize that Ubuntu existed. Person having a great deal of trouble trying to rewrite menu.lst to boot to Ubuntu, as simple as that seems to them. Help?
23:59<kop>GT: I'm assuming you've separate partitions for Debian and Ubuntu. So, your Ubuntu boot partition is still there. Mount it and look at it's menu.lst. Copy the appropriate lines into the Debian menu.lst. (Or muck around with which menu.lst is used. See the grub info pages.)
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