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00:00<Valtiel-ASD>i ws there and now i here
00:02<tristan>anyone know what sort of factors are pertinent in laptop processor upgrades?
00:03<tristan>obviously socket, but l1/l2 cache, wattage, voltage, 32 v. 64 bit?
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00:04<adb>cooler , noise
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00:05<adb>battery autonomy
00:06<tristan>battery autonomy?
00:06<tristan>i.e. charge time away from a plug?
00:06<adb>2-3 h
00:06<tristan>for similar wattage/voltage it should suck about the same battery life, or no?
00:06<adb>user time betweens charges
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00:08<adb>type of battery LiHx or so
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00:14<adb>....we're talking up to eight hours
00:16<tristan>I have a 12 cell on mine now, it goes for almost 5
00:17<Valtiel-ASD>what's new debian lenny
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00:17<Valtiel-ASD>good ?
00:17<Valtiel-ASD>good work ?
00:17<adb>look to release note
00:17<Valtiel-ASD>i downloading it now
00:18<Valtiel-ASD>i want download all 4 dvd
00:18<Valtiel-ASD>and upgrade
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00:31<meshuggah>hi there! :)
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00:47<Jpdota>Hey, my wireless card is not being friendly (aka it's dropping the signal A LOT, as in every 30 seconds, for 30 seconds), and I was wondering if there's a log I can look at somewhere to see what's wrong? BTW: for those wondering, I have a BCM4312 using the STA drivers on Squeeze
00:49<Supaplex>Jpdota: /var/log/syslog
00:49<Jpdota>Supaplex: ah true, thanks for the point, I thought I remembered seeing a log just for my card somewhere, last time I had a problem, but I could be wrong
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00:52<Supaplex>depends. some cards can make extra noise if you modprobe them with the right values. see lspci -k and modinfo, and modprobe. (and man pages if needed)
00:53<blarson>Jpdota: If it's logged via syslog, you can configure what files it goes to in /etc/syslog.conf
00:53<Jpdota>Supaplex: thanks
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01:06<Jpdota>blarson: ah yeah, nothing in that file means anything to me with relation to the card :-/...hmmm debug has some stuff about TKIP
01:07<soberon>Good night... Please There is a tutorial to install Debian with xfce? Or a distro?
01:07<jm_>read installation guide and apt howto
01:08<soberon>Installation guide in Debian place?
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01:08<jm_>yeah it's on
01:09<soberon>Thanks a lot!
01:09<jm_>you don't need to read that if debian is installed already
01:09<soberon>Not yet installed
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01:11<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r7) at <installer firmware>
01:11<jm_>direct link
01:13<soberon>Thanks again jm_!
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01:26<meshuggah>i have a radeon7000(ATI) graphic card in this computer(debian lenny), and i want to change it for a geforce4 one, do i need to install drivers or something before opening the case and swap the cards?
01:27<jm_>doesn't matter
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01:28<meshuggah>ok, so when i will reboot, it will configure itself, and will boot in gnome without problem?
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01:29<GhostlyDeath>meshuggah: if you want, you could install NVidia's drivers if needed
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01:29<jm_>no, it will fail to start X if driver is not installed/configured
01:29<GhostlyDeath>but your card will work regardless since they are all compatible
01:30<meshuggah>so, i should download the nvidia-glx package with synaptic first ?
01:30<GhostlyDeath>jm_: If it auto-reconfigures on every boot it will fall back to VESA or VGA usually
01:30<meshuggah>how will it configure if the card isnt inserted first?
01:30<chealer>meshuggah: unless you upgraded to lenny from something older, it will work fine, yes
01:30<chealer>meshuggah: no need
01:30<meshuggah>i upgraded lenny from etch
01:30<jm_>GhostlyDeath: it doesn't
01:30<meshuggah>and i got a few problems,. it is why i dont want to get some now
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01:31<chealer>meshuggah: if your X video driver is specified in xorg.conf, you may land in CLI, which isn't the end of the work if you already used a command-line text editor
01:31<meshuggah>chealer : i am a newbie, i am using linux since 2 weeks, and debian since like 4 days
01:32<chealer>meshuggah: get yourself familiar with at least one text editor now, say nano
01:32<GhostlyDeath>nano is easy to use
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01:33<jm_>and text irc client ;)
01:33<meshuggah>chealer, ok, usually i use pico, but it is only that i used it when i had redhatlinux like 6 years ago
01:33<jm_>nano is very similar to pico
01:33<meshuggah>yeah, i already installed lynx and irssi
01:34<meshuggah>anyway, i will try, i ve lynx and irssi installed, and have a slax live-cd in case
01:34<chealer>meshuggah: as jm_ said. if you don't have a backup PC nearby, you might also want to try a console IRC client (personally, I didn't do that yet)
01:35<meshuggah>chealer, i did a little irssi
01:35<chealer>meshuggah: a live CD is also a not too bad backup
01:35<chealer>meshuggah: good
01:35<meshuggah>chealer, when lenny screwed the computer
01:35<meshuggah>i try
01:35<meshuggah>thank, i will be right back if it works, and i will be right back with irssi if it didnt :))
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01:50<CubanitoIto>Hi Room
01:50<CubanitoIto>any gay in here
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02:00<meshuggah>X and gnome dont load
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02:02<Dargor>Anyone know much about /proc/<pid>/net i want to get a processes network usage.
02:02<jm_>meshuggah: you need to install the driver/configure X to use it
02:02<nonoo>My Linux version 2.6.26-1-686-bigmem (Debian 2.6.26-13) ( (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 19:13:22 UTC 2009 don t work with my lpt Printer
02:03<nonoo>Kernel 2.6.25 work*s fine
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02:04<nonoo>How can i get lpt-printing support for my Kernel 2.6.26?
02:04<meshuggah>jm_: ok, can you say me the command to download it (geforce4) please :)
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02:05<jm_>meshuggah: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, then check xorg.conf
02:05<jm_>meshuggah: if you want 3d support, then you'll need to use nvidia legacy driver
02:06<meshuggah>jm_: ok thank
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02:10<meshuggah>jm_: i did and xorg.conf dont have anything that talks about my video card(is it /etc/X11/xorg.conf?)
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02:11<jm_>meshuggah: no mention of driver in it?
02:11<meshuggah>jm_: no mention of anything
02:11<n3cro>guys, can someone help me how to install lenny on dell optiplex 320?
02:12<jm_>meshuggah: then check x logfile
02:12<n3cro>clicking install will give me error with cannot allocate resource region
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02:13<nonoo>meshuggah: you must compile a driver with the legacy nvidia binarys
02:14<nonoo>How can I print with a lpt printer on Debian 5.0?
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02:14<nonoo>cups don`t find my lpt Printer
02:14<chealer>meshuggah: how many lines does $ grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf; output?
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02:17<meshuggah>chealer: kbd and mouse :)
02:17<meshuggah>chealer: 2 lines
02:17<hever>Hi. Is there no simple screensaver that is just be able to show an Image ?
02:17<chealer>meshuggah: oh. you need to install xserver-xorg-video-vesa and/or xserver-xorg-video-nv
02:17<hever>For example GLSlideshow does some soom effects...
02:18<hever>...I don't want this effects
02:18<meshuggah>chealer: ok, but :) how?, apt-get xserver-xorg-video-vesa? i dont remember, i usually use synaptic
02:19<chealer>meshuggah: # apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-nv
02:19<meshuggah>chealer: ok thank
02:19<enouf>hever: you likely wnat some like string of JPEGs that cycles to a random one every few seconds or ?
02:20<enouf>hever: i think you can make your own, with mplayer - but i bet the DEs have tools too
02:20<hever>actualy I've just one PNG that should be shown as screensaver to lock the screen...
02:20<meshuggah>chealer: and after i do dpkg-reconfigure?
02:21<jm_>meshuggah: don't you have xorg package installed?
02:21<chealer>meshuggah: no need. # invokde-rc.d gdm restart
02:21<chealer>meshuggah: no need. # invoke-rc.d gdm restart
02:22*chealer slaps his finkers
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02:22<jm_>hever: xlock has image screensaver which does that IIRC
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02:23<meshuggah>chealer,jm_: thank you it is working now :)
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02:23<nmd202>i'm trying to grep a file for urls and direct the output to a new file, but the output all ends up on one line. i'd like each url on it's own line.
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02:23<hever>I see I can change some glslisshow parameters in advanced mode...
02:24<n3cro>hmm... has anyone encountered installing lenny on dell 320 and an error occurs "PCI: cannot allocate resource region?"
02:24<nmd202>is that possible?
02:24<meshuggah>i want to thank everyone here, you are making this channel great
02:24<jm_>nmd202: that means your file has URL-s on one line
02:24<hever>jm_, xlock is part of xautolock ?
02:24<nmd202>jm_ok. is it possible to have grep reformat the output?
02:25<jm_>hever: xlockmore
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02:26<jm_>nmd202: no, there are other tools for that
02:26<nmd202>jm_: which ones?
02:27<jm_>nmd202: sed, awk, perl, ...
02:27<hever>jm_, I don't have it in non-free
02:27<jm_>hever: it's in sid only
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02:28<hever>how hard some simple demands can be...
02:28<chealer>hever: KDE's Media Screen Saver and Slide Show can do that
02:29<enouf>nmd202: does your file only contain URLs? where did the contents come from? maybe whatever put the URLs there can append a \n to each one when it's added
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02:30<jm_>I am not even sure its image mode can display arbitrary pictures
02:30<nmd202>sed '/^$/d'
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02:30<nmd202>^^ this worked
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02:31<enouf>'slideshow' .. that's the word i was looking for
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02:32<nmd202>enouf: nm. it did not work. this is just a text file with a bunch of urls in it. i don't want to do it by hand
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02:33<jm_>n3cro: try kernel options that help screens mention
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02:34<nmd202>enouf: i don't think adding \n to a text file would work. unless i misunderstood you
02:35<enouf>nmd202: 1st of all, i was going to suggest perhaps the xml2 pkg with html2, and yes, you misunderstand, what do you think that sed is looking for?
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02:36<nmd202>enouf: dunno. i just learned about sed yesterday. don't know too much about it
02:36<enouf>as a matter of fact, i think that sed command would delete all \n .. not certain though
02:36<jm_>it deletes empty lines
02:36<enouf>oh right - the ^
02:37<enouf>that's really of no use as per his/her request
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02:37<nmd202>oh, it was one long line of urls that broke to a new line at the space between each two urls
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02:37<enouf>nmd202: does this look like it could be useful?
02:38<enouf>othwrwise learn some perl :-P
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02:38<nmd202>not really
02:38<nmd202>i just did it by hand.
02:39<jm_>it's trivial to insert \n with sed
02:39<enouf>you cuold probably grep and pipe that through xargs to add a \n after each hit
02:41<nmd202>that's it
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02:44<n3cro>how can i install debian lenny on a dell machine with a SATA drive?
02:45<n3cro>formerly i can installe debian 4.0 r4a on dell optiplex 320 with command install pci=nomsi
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02:45<n3cro>but that dont seem to work on debian lenny
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02:46<jm_>n3cro: I already tol dyou to try kernel options mentioned in help screens when you get first boot prompt
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02:52<enouf>jm_: is one of those install libata.atapi_enabled=1 ? :-P
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02:56<jm_>enouf: I was thinking of pci=nommc and the various acpi/apic options
02:56<twb>Can I rm -rf everything in /var/spool/squid/* (while squid is off)?
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02:57<twb>I'm moving a filesystem between hosts, and it'll go faster if I resize2fs it first, which means that I also want to delete useless cache data off it first.
02:57<enouf>jm_: ahh .. ok
02:58<jm_>twb: init script in debian will create those dirs if missing IIRC
02:58<twb>jm_: good-o.
03:03<n3cro>sorry jm_ i missed your first message. install acpi=off worked:). thanks a lot
03:04<enouf>twb: if it doesn't, maybe a dpkg-reconfigure squid would
03:05<enouf>(basically reruns the .postinst script - if that's an option for that pkg)
03:05<twb>enouf: well, it calls the postinst script with the package name and "configure".
03:05<twb>Or thereabouts.
03:05<enouf>n3cro: that's a pretty harsh option - might try pci=routeirq or some others
03:06<enouf>ok, never used squid
03:06<enouf>twb: did you know about configure-debian pkg? i use it
03:07<twb>enouf: meh
03:07<twb>enouf: about the only one I forget is "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" ;-)
03:08<twb>Otherwise I usually know what I need to reconfigure
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03:15<n3cro>enouf: in the same line with acpi=off also writes acpi=noirq? is the latter what i might use?
03:16<n3cro>enouf: i tried using the nolapic and noapic earlier but i still get the error saying "cannot allocate region"
03:17<enouf>n3cro: well yes, acpi=noirq is a bit better than =off ..
03:18<n3cro>enouf: ok i thought they just mean the same as there is an or between the two:D
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03:19<enouf>n3cro: you might even want to check your BIOS settings to see which Mode your SATA and PATA drives are in - and maybe alter them
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03:19<enouf>n3cro: if there's an AHCI mode there - select it - if it wasn't enabled already
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03:23<n3cro>enouf: i have a dell optiplex 320 PC and the only thing i can do in bios is turn on/off the SATA and PATA port:-/
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03:23<jm_>typical for brand name BIOS :P
03:24<BillGates>man I go to sleep
03:24<BillGates>I come back
03:24<n3cro>enouf: i also tried the 'install acpi=noirq' and it returns the same error or should i add nolapic noapic commands too with acpi=noirq?
03:24<BillGates>and I see you guys STILL talking
03:24<BillGates>talk talk talk
03:24<BillGates>is madness
03:24<n3cro>its only 4pm in here BillGates
03:24<enouf>n3cro: well - it's tough to tell
03:24<weasel>or 9am
03:24<enouf>n3cro: hold on ..
03:27<enouf>n3cro: going off of what you said worked with etch - try 'pci=nommconf' instead - also - is that i386 or amd64?
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03:28<n3cro>enouf: its an i386
03:28<enouf>n3cro: and .. have you checked the BIOS yet?
03:28<n3cro>enouf: yes
03:29<enouf>n3cro: i'm just curious why you mentioned SATA at all ..
03:29<n3cro>enouf: yes. i checked the BIOS and there is no other option other than turning on/off the SATA port
03:29<enouf>n3cro: do you know which SATA controller chip it is?
03:30<n3cro>enouf: any clue how to figure that out?
03:31<enouf>n3cro: are you sure that's not a scsi / lsi-logic PERC thing? well a livecd boot and lspci -nn output ;-)
03:31<sep>n3cro, lspci -knn
03:32*enouf is so happy Lenny has released .. just so he can safely tell people to use that -k option in lspci :-P
03:32<enouf>Etch's version didn't have it
03:34<n3cro>enouf: all i know is that when i used acpi=off, the SATA drive was recognized as SCSI. sorry im not sure if that's what you want to hear. im kinda noob at this
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03:36<enouf>n3cro: it's not :-) but it's ok
03:37<n3cro>enouf: so what i need right now is a livecd to see if it is a "scsi / lsi-logic PERC thing?"
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03:38<enouf>n3cro: we're trying to ascertain all your hardware - atleast the PCI/AGP/PCIe stuff - also grab dmesg output, and ismod output
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03:39<enouf>n3cro: have you tried pci=nommconf?
03:39<Benoitb>I'm using a laptop with an intel 5100 chipset that requires the iwlagn driver, only availbale from 2.6.27. Is there a known way to have it running on Lenny ? Can I get a newer kernel without upgrading to testing or sid ?
03:40<enouf>Benoitb: ?
03:40<gsimmons>Benoitb: Either build a custom kernel package, or /msg dpkg trunk kernel
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03:41<enouf>right - still only .26+ available/pkgd
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03:41<jm_>enouf: kernel team has 2.6.28, works fine on lenny
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03:41<Benoitb>enouf: I looked at this page but the procedure is only for testing or sid
03:42<gsimmons>Benoitb: No, it's still applicable to Lenny.
03:42<n3cro>enouf: install pci=nommconf --> Error is "PCI: cannot allocate region 1 on the device"
03:42<enouf>jm_: righto - thanks - but gotta be built ;-)
03:42<enouf>n3cro: same original error it seems
03:43<enouf>Benoitb: yes, follow the others' advice
03:43<enouf>gsimmons: when that was written, lenny == testing still?
03:43<enouf>Benoitb: listen to gsimmons
03:44<gsimmons>enouf: Yes. Need to s/testing/lenny/g, etc
03:44<Benoitb>gsimmons: ok, I'm going to try this and I'll report success/failure :)
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03:49<twb>Grr, fucking stupid update-initramfs.
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03:50<twb>It refuses to do its job because "ro" (really "errors=continue") is in /boot's mount options
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03:57<Zvezdichko>hey, any idea how to remove my away status?
03:57<Benoitb>enouf and gsimmons: it's working ok now, thanks ! if it doesn't require special privileges, I'm going to register on the wiki and remove the warning saying that it's not applicable to stable.
03:58<gsimmons>Benoitb: Thanks, but there's an amendment on the way.
03:58<jm_>Zvezdichko: how about you read help for your IRC client? check if it has away command
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03:58<Zvezdichko>I finally found out - /back
03:58<Benoitb>gsimmons: oh I see, then I'll just keep configuring stuff, thanks for the help
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04:05<enouf>Benoitb: nice
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04:25<gnumm>i have in my fstab this entry:
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04:25<gnumm> /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
04:25<gnumm>what is this?
04:25<zoel>i'm zoel
04:26<jm_>gnumm: it's an entry for fstab
04:26<gnumm>ah no really? -.-
04:26<gnumm>i do not have a floppy drive
04:26<gnumm>can i delete this line?
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04:27<jm_>you have my permission
04:27<zoel>hi.. all
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04:29<twb>gnumm: deleting it will only affect the floppy drive you don't have
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04:32<gnumm>twb: i place a "#" before
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04:42<enouf>why not just change auto -> noauto :-P
04:43<jm_>he has noauto option
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04:46<Glanzmann>Hello; Is there a package like apticron only that it automatically updates a system?
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04:58<buffoon_work>is there any reason why i can't use ssl in mail-notification and imap?
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05:36<Guest527>hi, i have noauto option for my ntfs partition, still debian testing mount's it at boot, why?
05:36<Guest527>this is what i have in fstab : /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs ro,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
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05:39<Jpdota>Has anyone setup apt-cacher to run on another OS other than debian? I only have one server running on the network, and it runs openbsd, so i need a generic way of installing it. any ideas?
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05:47<xen>Hi there
05:48<xen>I've installed Debian, but I have a problem
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05:48<xen>The screen appears to only be displaying the top right quarter of the whole desktop
05:49<xen>I've tried to correct this by using the Screen Resolution program
05:49<xen>(System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution)
05:50<xen>But that provides no options in the Resolution or Refresh rate lists
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05:50<xen>And even rotatian has been ghosted out
05:50<xen>Any clues as to what else I can try?
05:50<u_>how can i disable rpcbind ? i commented it in /etc/services still nmap show's it active
05:50*xen is currently installing KDE to see if that'll help
05:50<jm_>does it move arround if you approach the edge with a mouse?
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05:51<jm_>u_: don't comment it there
05:51<u_>jm_, then?
05:51<xen>jm: nope it just moves off the edge of the screen
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05:52<jm_>u_: which processes are you talking about?
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05:52<jm_>xen: is the rsolution the right on efor your monitor?
05:52<xen>I can't tell what debian has currently selected for my resolution
05:53<jm_>xdpyinfo shows it, or xrandr
05:53<u_>jm_, i was checking my open ports with nmap, so i see 111/tcp open rpcbind, do i need it? or how can i disable it
05:53<jm_>and logfile
05:53<jm_>u_: that's portmap process
05:54<xen>It appears to be too high
05:54<xen>1920 x 1200
05:54<jm_>well looks like your monitor listed that as a valid mode
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05:54<xen>I'd guess I should be around 1280x1024
05:54<u_>jm_, do i need it ? i don't know what's it for
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05:55<xen>Hmm, odd - windows lists 1280 as the highest
05:55<xen>Does xrandr allow me to alter the resolution safely?
05:55<jm_>u_: remote procedure calls, stuff like NFS needs this
05:55<hever>Hi there. I've got a problem with qemu networking. I'm using the following little script to create the following network configuration: At the guest system I'm able to ping and (my PC) but I'm not able to access the Internet. I think NAT is not correct set up but I can't see why.
05:55<xen>How do I do that?
05:55<jm_>get-edid|parse-edid to see what monitor tells the driver, or read the X logfile
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05:55<jm_>man xrandr ;)
05:56<u_>jm_, i don't have nfs
05:56<hever>I can't also access the nameserver at (my router) (even if I can access (my PC)).
05:56<jm_>u_: then you are most likely OK disabling/uninstalling it
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05:57<u_>jm_, and it doesn't show up in rcconf
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05:58<u_>jm_, yes, i don't know how, since it's not showing in System->Administration->Services nor in rcconf, and commenting it out in /etc/services doesn't work, i'm out of ideas
05:58<xen>Thanks, I'll give it a shot :)
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05:58<wirr>Hi There... Is there no option to choose wpa as a crypto option for wireless cards during installation?
05:58*xen still wonders why Screen Resoltion properties doesn't work though
05:58<jm_>u_: read about proper procedure for this in: man update-rc.d
05:58<hever>xen, (I like grandr to change screen resolution and rotation via gui)
05:58<jm_>xen: does xrandr list more than one resolution?
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05:59<xen>jm: yep - plenty
05:59<jm_>xen: then it's weird, I thought GUI would use randr extension for this
05:59<xen>hever: is that standard in the distribution
05:59<xen>Yea... oddd
06:00<jm_>!tell xen -about search
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06:01<xen>(jm: sorry, but I'm in the middle of an install - I can't use syanptic to check)
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06:01<xen>I don't appear to have grandr on my system yet though...
06:01<jm_>xen: isn't the system installted already? you can use apt-cache in a terminal
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06:02*xen is new to this...
06:02<xen>Ok, let me try
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06:02<jm_>so apt-cache search grandr - apt-cache show granrd )once you find package name)
06:02<xen>Heh, it looks like synaptic's locked it
06:02<xen>I'll have to wait
06:02<jm_>ahh doh
06:03<xen>Funny, when I installed SUSE on another laptop the speakers didn't work unless you plugged in headphones... 0_o
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06:03<xen>This time it's the screen
06:04<xen>Thank you :)
06:04<jm_>/var/log/Xorg.0.log will have details about what driver did
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06:05<hever>I've got a problem with qemu networking. I'm using the following little script to create the following network configuration: At the guest system I'm able to ping and (my PC) but I'm not able to access the Internet. I think NAT is not correct set up but I can't see why.
06:05<hever>jm_, perhaps you have an idea?
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06:06<jm_>hever: sorry, can't be arsed thinking about netmasks/NAT et al right now
06:06<u_>jm_, well i did sudo update-rc.d -f rpcbind remove , rebooted and yet it's still there
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06:06<jm_>u_: that's a bad ide - /etc/init.d/portmap stop
06:07<u_>jm_, yes :)
06:07<xen>Still, Ubuntu completely couldn't handle my screen :/
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06:07<jm_>what kind of computer is it?
06:08<xen>One other thing - I had trouble installing Synaptic to begin with
06:08<xen>...SVOA - obscure brand
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06:09<xen>With Synaptic, apt wasn't letting me install it, so I had to get the .deb
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06:09<xen>But it doesn't seem to have been put in the Main Menu
06:09<jm_>what hasn't?
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06:09<xen>Is that to be expected, and is there a way to make sure new programs are automatically added there?
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06:10<jm_>maybe it
06:10<jm_>s under debian section
06:11<xen>Wow, my bad, you're right
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06:11<xen>Well hidden - the wiki claimed it would be elsewhere >_>
06:12<xen>Also, is there a prettier GRUB available?
06:12<xen>The OpenSUSE one was awesome
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06:13<jm_>do you stare at grub prompt?
06:13<xen>But I'm not sure how I'd go about getting it to work without installing another flavour of linux
06:13<jm_>grub-splashimages - a collection of great GRUB splashimages
06:14<jm_>actually: grub2-splashimages - a collection of great GRUB2 splashimages
06:15<xen>Heh, I tried grub2 last night
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06:15<xen>And almost lost my windows partition
06:15<xen>Or so I thought
06:15<xen>Thanks for the package name - you're getting through my queries pretty quickly! :)
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06:21<triptec>in the debian installer it looks for other oses on other disks and partitions, is it possible to run it alone
06:21<triptec>and whats the name of the script/program
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06:22<jm_>triptec: yes
06:22<jm_>it's os-prober package
06:22<jm_>hooks into grub
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06:22<triptec>okay, thx
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06:23<Guest536>hello!i can't install my knoppix to my hd
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06:23<xen>jm: thanks - screen fixed with grandr
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06:23<triptec>been dist hopping all night and now my win isn't there any more..
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06:24<u_>Guest536, don't worry it was a bad idea anyway
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06:24<xen>One last question - how do I automatically detect / connect to wireless networks?
06:24<petemc>network manager
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06:25<Ganneff>Guest536: try in english
06:26<xen>petemc: that allows me to connect
06:26<xen>But I can't see the names of the available networks
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06:26<petemc>xen: works for me
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06:27<xen>Hmm, where's that in the menu system?
06:27<Guest536>hey i can't install my knoppix in my hd.i use command "knx-hdinstall" in mt root menu
06:27<Guest536>but its write command was not found
06:27<Torsten_W>this channel is named debian, not knoppix
06:28<Guest536>in FAQ write ise this chanel :(
06:28<dr|z3d>Guest536: Try another distro, then.
06:28<dr|z3d>Guest536: It sounds like you'd benefit from Ubuntu.
06:28<petemc>xen: i use it as an applet from the gnome panel
06:28<Guest536>yes i instal lunix os first time
06:29<xen>petemc: I'm sorry - I don't understand all these things
06:29<xen>How do I access the gnome panel?
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06:29<xen>And add applets?
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06:30<Washi>hello code monkeys; several days ago I wrote here for advice: python vs ruby; the problem is, I downloaded a book and picked up some of the basics on no time- everything is so easy.. but I don't like the language
06:30<petemc>xen: its a bar that runs across the top or bottom of your screen, you can right click it to get a contextual menu with an option to add items
06:30<dr|z3d>xen: Right click on the panel, add... launch panel with: gnome-panel &
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06:31<Washi>I want you to recommend a language that is standartised, complete (not like python) and fast; simplicity is a plus
06:31<Washi>no career, just a hobby
06:32<dr|z3d>Washi: Depends what you want to do. And really, this isn't the correct place to ask.
06:32<Washi>I will use it for solving some tasks, nothing very serious/crucial
06:32<triptec>jm_: you wouldn' t know if there is any way to run grub and os-prober together, as prober gives /dev/* style detection and grub likes it (hd*), my problem is that the (hd*) has not been the same and I'm using uuid but cant seem to use that for the windows entry..
06:32<jm_>triptec: like I said, run update-grub and os-prober will be run
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06:33<triptec>then I get it;)
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06:33<xen>petemc & dr z3d: Thanks - I've got the network monitor thing on now :)
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06:34<xen>Seems to tell me the network strength - I suppose that's it, but I don't see the wireless networks.. then again I'm connected ok for the time being :)
06:35<xen>Thanks again guys
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06:48<hell-0>who got debian 5.0
06:48<petemc>lots of people
06:49<petemc>you bet
06:49<IcemanX>Hello at all, since the dist-upgrade from etch to lenny samba is horrible slow, somebody an idea to fix this problem
06:49<hell-0>why is there a gui icon for root that doesnt require authentication?
06:50<hell-0>installed nvidia successfully but no gui configuration icon
06:52<Ikarus>Hrm, anyone got apt-mirror working with the security repository ? it is puking at me that it can't open the index: No such file or directory
06:52<hell-0>i had fedora so im not sure if this is standard
06:53<weasel>Ikarus: that file does exist
06:53<Ikarus>well, duh :P
06:53<Ikarus>but why isn't it successfully downloading it
06:54<weasel>who knows. maybe apt-mirror is a broken pos.
06:54<Ikarus>apt-mirror works fine on other repos
06:54<Ikarus>weasel: probably
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06:54<Ikarus>weasel: it beats the alternative of the ftpmirror script though if you only want a partial repos
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06:56*blarson uses apt-move, but it's pretty broken too.
06:56<koollman>Ikarus: you messed up the url
06:57<weasel>Ikarus: Ikarus: what is in your $var_path/$state-urls.$i file?
06:57<koollman>Ikarus: it should be
06:57<Ikarus>koollman: that is not the URL, that is just the filesystem file it downloads it to
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06:58<koollman>Ikarus: well, maybe it's not there because it's not copied from the right place either, then
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07:00<IcemanX>Hello at all, since the dist-upgrade from etch to lenny samba is horrible slow, somebody an idea to fix this problem
07:01<Ikarus>weasel: hold on, doing a single threaded run so it makes sense
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07:03<hell-0>why is there a root terminal icon in accessories that allows un authenticated root terminal access ?
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07:04<alt->is there any way to simulate a keypress (fn-f7 in this case) when X starts? The external monitor on my laptop is used fine during POST/GRUB/Debian booting up but once X is started it is no longer used. The only way to get it to come back is by hitting fn-f7 on my laptop
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07:05<hell-0>all these desperate questions
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07:17<steev>as of this morning our lenny machines in production have begun failing to install packages like this
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07:20<petern>try an update
07:21<steev>petern: I am doing that now
07:21<steev>it's taking a very long time
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07:23<dpkg>hello, zumbi
07:23<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <install x> if you are using etch or newer, or <get xorg> if you are using sarge. Ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. #xorg @ See and perhaps
07:23<steev>OK - now I'm getting a security warning. Are there new keys I need to install?
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07:24<zumbi>do you know nowadays how should i configure xorg video driver, as dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not ask me about video driver and xf86config i believe it has been deprecated
07:25<internat1>lenny automagicly configures video drivers.
07:25<steev>at the end of the update I got: W: GPG error: lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <>
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07:26<zumbi>internat1: i had installed nvidia packages to get nvidia driver. So, should i just reload X ?
07:26<zumbi>steev: i believe there are new keys
07:27<internat1>yeah i assume a restart of x will sort that out :)
07:27<internat1>maybe a reboot so the ekrnel module loads, but dont hold me to that.
07:27<steev>zumbi: what is the best practice for installing them? running apt-get update gets me "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems"
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07:29<internat1>i think if you do apt-get upgrade, you'lls ee debian-keyring in there..
07:29<internat1>or you could do apt-get install debian-keyring on its own, and that should import the new keyring files :)
07:29<Tester>Need help
07:29<steev>internat: I'll try that now
07:29<zumbi>steev: in case it does not work try:
07:29<zumbi>#gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 4D270D06F42584E6
07:29<zumbi>#gpg --export --armor 4D270D06F42584E6| apt-key add -
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07:30<steev>Thanks guys
07:30<zumbi>i know dpkg knows about it, i can not remember how to ask him
07:31<dpkg>methinks key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive
07:31<Ganneff>!apt-key 4D270D06F42584E6
07:31<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 4D270D06F42584E6 ; gpg --export 4D270D06F42584E6 | sudo apt-key add -
07:32<zumbi>steev: ^^
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07:34<alt->is there any way to simulate a keypress (fn-f7 in this case) when X starts? The external monitor on my laptop is used fine during POST/GRUB/Debian booting up but once X is started it is no longer used. The only way to get it to come back is by hitting fn-f7 on my laptop keyboard.
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07:35<steev>OK - the output from dpkg's recommendation is at
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07:36<steev>apt-get install debian-keyring works, but things still won't install
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07:38<gsimmons>!tell Tester -about ask
07:38<jm_>alt-: depending on the driver you can select which output to use
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07:42<zumbi>steev: <-- need to install sudo or run commands as root
07:43<steev>zumbi: running as root
07:43<zumbi>steev: i assume you are using official repos
07:43<zumbi>steev: if you do it as root, you do not need sudo
07:43<steev>deb lenny main contrib non-free
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07:44<zumbi>also run # aptitude install debian-archive-keyring
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07:44<steev>zumbi: already did that
07:44<zumbi>but it does not look like you got the key
07:45<steev>removing sudo stops there being an error but it still doesn't look like it's worked
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07:46<mateu>goddess bless debian, not a single update required since lenny went stable a few days ago
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07:47<zumbi>steev: note that the package name is debian-archive-keyring, not debian-keyring as someone told you before
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07:47<steev>zumbi: yes, I tried both
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07:47<zumbi>steev: check if it is installed with dpkg -l | grep keyring
07:48<jm_>you need to run aptitude update after installing keyring
07:48<steev>Got both debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring
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07:50<zumbi>steev: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should work then
07:51<steev>zumbi: I know they should, but they aren't :-(
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07:51<steev>jm_: I get W: GPG error: lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <>
07:51<steev>and it suggests running apt-get update
07:52<zumbi>steev: you need lenny key, not etch !
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07:52<steev>zumbi: how come I am not getting the lenny key when I install the keyrings?
07:53<zumbi>no idea, try to do it manually
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07:53<jm_>steev: this is a key for d-m
07:53<jm_>go to their web page and read docs about it
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07:54<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>
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07:55<zumbi>steev: if you use d-m you need debian-multimedia-keyring
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07:55<steev>zumbi: this is the first I've even heard of d-m
07:55<zumbi>steev: if you like multimedia it is a great repo with lots of stuff
07:56<steev>Heh, these are not desktops
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07:57<zumbi>anyway, try to scroll back and do what Ganneff suggested by dpkg
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07:57<zumbi>that should be the way doing this things. I have no answer if that does not work, probably some missconfiguration in your system
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07:58<steev>zumbi: you mean try that with the Lenny Stable key, not A70DAF536070D3A1, right?
07:58<steev> Thanks guys you've been really helpful.
07:59<nomade_marvel>Anybody know a list of wireless adapter with native support?
08:00<jm_>nomade_marvel: check the wiki
08:00<trueno>Hi!, is there a way to "tell" my laptop to only try to mount nfs shares if I'm on a certain network?
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08:01<Ganneff>yes. dont do them manually but use tools like whereami
08:01<NoFub>I'm probably the nth person to ask this, but: What's the way to install flashplugin-nonfree in lenny?
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08:01<nomade_marvel>jm_ I'll found in wiki?
08:02<zumbi>steev: yes - that's it
08:02<nomade_marvel>[jm_]: i'm going to see!! thanks!!!
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08:06<steev>zumbi: It looks like I did that the last time - and in any case it still didn't work. I tried apt-key del A70DAF536070D3A1 and also apt-key update
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08:14<zumbi>steev: lenny key is 4D270D06F42584E6
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08:15<steev>I've just manually installed that using the Ganeff/dpkg line above
08:15<s-thet>hi all, i am unexperienced with linux and need help configuring (maybe installing) my wireless lan, does anybody want to help me please?
08:15<gsimmons>s-thet: What wireless LAN device do you have?
08:15<s-thet>i have an intel 3945
08:16<s-thet>i installed the iwlwifi package
08:16<s-thet>but in my wlan setup the only option i have for security is WEP, where i need WPA2
08:16<steev>OK this is weird - I just brought up an identical VM and things seem to be behaving as normal
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08:22<Tekno>hi guys
08:22<Tekno>my hibernate doesnt work
08:22<Tekno>(im using uswsusp)
08:22<Tekno>and debian lenny
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08:22<Tekno>theres my dmesg
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08:23<Tekno>im using s2both --force
08:23<jm_>why s2both?
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08:23<Tekno>because I want
08:23<Tekno>hybrid suspend
08:24<jm_>check what s2both says then
08:24<NoFub>Does suspend to ram work?
08:24<Tekno>NoFub: yes.
08:24<Tekno>and s2both seems to create image successfully
08:24<jm_>does s2disk work?
08:24<NoFub>What happens then?
08:25<demo>anyone here who knows to decrypt release note in antix?
08:25<Tekno>NoFub: If I cut power, startup is regular boot without hibernate
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08:25<NoFub>woah. Why cut power?
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08:25<jm_>sounds like you didn't include initrd-resume in boot loader menu
08:26<Tekno>did you look my dmesg
08:26<gsimmons>demo: antiX MEPIS is not supported here.
08:26<gsimmons>!tell demo -about antix
08:26<Tekno>it looks after /dev/sda2 but nothing happens
08:26<demo>ok, sorry thougth
08:27<gsimmons>s_thet: Which Debian version are you using? Etch (4.0) or Lenny (5.0)?
08:27<Tekno>[ 4.772917] PM: Resume from partition /dev/sda2
08:27<Tekno>[ 4.772921] PM: Checking hibernation image.
08:27<Tekno>[ 4.773458] PM: Resume from disk failed.
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08:29<jm_>are you sure your suspend works? try s2disk only and use the option to verify checksum of the image
08:29<Tekno>ok ill try s2disk
08:29<NoFub>Tekno: Why do you cut power when suspending to disk. doesn' the computer turn off by itself?
08:30<jm_>probably just to test it
08:30<Tekno>just to test
08:30<Tekno>after suspending of course
08:30<Tekno>not when suspending
08:31<NoFub>ah, right
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08:33<trueno>Hi!, is there a way to "tell" my laptop to try to (auto)mount NFS shares at startup only if I'm on a certain network?
08:33<Tekno>s2disk didnt work
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08:34<NoFub>Tekno: What happend?
08:34<Tekno>it doesnt resume from hibernate image
08:34<jm_>use checksum verification to see if checksums match
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08:34<Tekno>how ?
08:35<Tekno>tekno@eee900:~$ sudo cat /etc/uswsusp.conf | grep checksum
08:35<Tekno>compute checksum = y
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08:36<jm_>so it doesn't seem to be that - is this eeepc?
08:36<jm_>try asking the eeepc folks about it
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08:36<Tekno>this isnt eeepc specific problem
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08:37<jm_>well it works on a regular PC, so it isn't a generic problem
08:37<jm_>then again, I don't use Debian kernel
08:37<petemc>suspend stuff is generally specific to the make/model
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08:38<jm_>it's pretty much hardware specific if it doesn't work
08:38<Tekno>it should work on eeepc
08:38<Tekno>as I had it working with ubuntu
08:39<jm_>ok, looks like our suggestions are useless then, those people definitely have no chance of knowing about it
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08:42<yang>Is there a good manual on installing a second drive into raid, in the LVM+Crypto made installation (might be tricky) ?
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08:47<hahnp>yang: this would help properly.
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08:52<yang>hahnp: thanks
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08:54<yang>hahnp: vgscan only provides this sort of info:
08:54<yang>Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... Found volume group "jan" using metadata type lvm2
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08:57<taiky>i try to install a etch with the lenny installer
08:57<taiky>does anybody have already done this ?
08:57<taiky>i try to disable the apt-cdrom-setup to use the installer with suite=etch
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08:58<taiky>i try to install a etch with the lenny installer
08:58<taiky>does anybody have already done this ?
08:58<taiky>i try to disable the apt-cdrom-setup to use the installer with suite=etch
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08:58<hahnp>taiky: whats the problem
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09:03<u_>haha dpkg just asked if i'm smoking crack
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09:06<taiky>i have to install etch on all my pc
09:06<taiky>some are are very new
09:06<taiky>so hardware are not detected
09:06<taiky>is it possible to install the etch dist with the lenny installer ?
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09:07<petemc>what an idiot
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09:08<u_>why do i get my ntfs partition mounted automatically if i have noauto in fstab? i have this in fstab: /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs ro,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
09:09<u_>this hda1 get's mounted at boot
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09:11<jackyf>u_: file a bug against mount
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09:11<jm_>u_: well first you want to establish what mounts it
09:13<u_>i don't know, say i reboot and the first thing i do i open terminal and write mount, and it show's up as mounted
09:13<jm_>do a quick test, umount it, run invoke-rc.d start
09:13<jm_>does it mount it?
09:15<u_>well strange, no
09:15<u_>is it gnome then?
09:15<u_>i'm runny lenny
09:15<jm_>so it's something else doing it
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09:15<u_>does gnome have something like an automounter, or what?
09:15<ShoesLife>yes it does.
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09:25<steev>zumbi, jm_ etc:
09:25<steev>just to let you know that my final fix for the keys issue was adding the following line to the startup script
09:25<steev>aptitude update ; aptitude update
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09:29<zed>how to login as root in debian 5?
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09:29<stew>zed: are you at a graphical login prompt?
09:29<Tekno>There is "root terminal" in menu
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09:30<zed>the graphical login prompt doesn't allow to login as root
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09:30<zed>i just need to mount an ntfs partition and it says i'm not priveleged to do so
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09:31<stew>zed: you can hit ctrl-alt-f1 (or f2,f3,f4...) to get to a text login
09:31<stew>zed: and then alt-f7 would get you back to the graphical login
09:31<TMcTrain>I installed a fresh leni on my PC, now I have a module that I need to make for my installed kernel, where and how do i get the header files?
09:32<stew>zed: you might add the ntfs partition to /etc/fstab with the "user" option if you want a non-privileged acount to be about ot mount it
09:32<u_>zed, like so /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs ro,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
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09:32<hahnp>TMcTrain: apt-cache search linux-headers
09:33<u_>zed, replace hda1 with your partition
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09:34<TMcTrain>hahnp: tx
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09:36<jmleong>is this the ubuntu help site?
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09:36<stew>jmleong: no, this channel is for debian. for help with ubuntu, please go ot #ubuntu on
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09:37<jmleong>ah... i see
09:37<jmleong>thanks stew
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09:38<Lenhix>Hell guys. I have a problem: logs are not rotating; exactly: mail.log is not rotating. I pasted my logrotate.conf at Could somebody tell me if I'm missing something?
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09:39<Nora>Hola chicos
09:39<stew>Lenhix: syslog logfiles aren't rotated by logrotate. they are rotated by syslog itself. /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd should be responsible
09:40<Nora>alguien instalo debian en un servidor
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09:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:40<Nora>hp proliant ml350 4gp?
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09:42<Nora>ups perdon
09:42<dho>hi all! i'd like to remove the powernow-k8-module from the kernel as it seems to be related to a kernel-bug. adding "blacklist powernow_k8" to /etc/modules.d, depmod -ae; update-initrams -u; seems not to help: after rebooting it's still present. any hints?
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09:45<Lenhix>stew: my cron.weekly/sysklogd is at Why doesn't it work?
09:45<Lenhix>mail.log.0 is growing huge (almost 300MB by now)
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09:46<stew>Lenhix: oh, if mail.log.0 is being written to then it sounds like syslog didn't restart at the end of the rotate
09:46<stew>ls /var/log/mail.log empty?
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09:47<Lenhix>0 bytes
09:47<stew>Lenhix: can you run "/etc/init.d/sysklogd reload-or-restart" and see if errors are reported?
09:48<Lenhix>I got "Restarting system log daemon: syslogd."
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09:49<Lenhix>mail.* are still 0 bytes. Should I delete them and restart sysklogd?
09:49<stew>Lenhix: there should be no reason to restart, no
09:49<stew>or delete
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09:50<stew>Lenhix: they should start growing now
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09:51<stew>Lenhix: so it seems like the cronjob stopped somewhere in the middle. you might run, as root "bash -x /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd" and see if and where it fails. perhaps there is some permissions problem with some other log
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09:52<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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09:52<stew>Lenhix: is mail.log still 0 byets?
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09:53<stew>Lenhix: you can test with: echo "test" | logger -p mail.warn
09:54<Lenhix>stew: The output of bash -x... is at
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09:54<stew>Lenhix: and see where that goes.
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09:55<zumbi>hi, i have been trying to install nvidia driver using m-a, it is loaded as a module, but if i run nvidia-settings, it tells me that module it is not being used. It tells me to run nvidia-xconfig, which does not exist in my system. How can i get this driver working? Note: Somebody told me that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not do video driver detection anymore as it is magically done by lenny.
09:55<Lenhix>stew: the echo "test" appeared in mail.warn.0
09:55<stew>Lenhix: ok then etc/init.d/sysklogd reload-or-restart isn't working
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09:56<stew>Lenhix: you could try "bash -x /etc/init.d/sysklogd reload-or-restart" to see if/where it fails
09:56<Lenhix>Should /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd be in the crontab?
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09:56<stew>though if it were working i'd expect it to be going to mail.warn.1 since we rotated again
09:56<zumbi>is there a way to see which video driver my system is using?
09:56<stew>Lenhix: /etc/crontab runs everything in /etc/cron.weekly/ already
09:57<stew>zumbi: for x? it would be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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09:59<stew>ok, so that is trying to start one, not stop one and start one, or restartart one or HUP, which doesn't seem correct
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09:59<zumbi>(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
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10:01<zumbi>it looks like i am using NV driver not NVIDIA driver
10:01<Lenhix>So, what should I do? How can I fix the log rotation?
10:01<zumbi>where do i set up video driver?
10:01<Lenhix>Actually, all the other logs rotate well. The only one not rotating is mail.*
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10:03<dho>zumbi: you set the driver in your Xorg.conf.
10:03<IcemanX> Hello at all, since the dist-upgrade from etch to lenny samba is horrible slow, somebody an idea to fix this problem
10:04<zumbi>dho: i used to do that either running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xf86config, but that it is not working anymore
10:05<zumbi>dho: i have been told that lenny magically detects video driver, which picks nv instead nvidia driver
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10:12<valdyn>zumbi: nvidia x driver not installed? kernel module not loaded?
10:12<zumbi>agpgart 28776 1 nvidia
10:12<zumbi>nvidia 7086148 0
10:13<zumbi>valdyn: that was lsmod output
10:13<valdyn>zumbi: ok, i guess you need to set it manually then
10:13<zumbi>yes - but where?
10:13<zumbi>in the Xorg file?
10:13<valdyn>zumbi: editor or try xorgconfig
10:14<dho>zumbi: that's what i'd suppose.
10:14<zumbi>i have no xorgconfig
10:15<zumbi>plus somebody told me that lenny magically detects video driver, that was the reason why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did not ask me for video conf
10:15<djc>why not go there and read that from end to end
10:15<zumbi>djc: i come from there
10:15<Lenhix>stew: No further ideas?
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10:16<zumbi>djc: i have also seen that, it is out dated
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10:16<djc>what nvidia card do you have
10:17<zumbi>Quadro NVS260
10:17<zumbi>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 290 (rev a1)
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10:17<amjad>the gnome terminal gets currupt when I resize its window or I have long path
10:17<amjad>any workaround for that
10:18<djc>amjad, type "reset"
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10:18<djc>in that window
10:19<amjad>djc, I mean the long command gets misplaced on the commandline
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10:19<amjad>I dont't see gibberish
10:19<zumbi>chealer: ayt?
10:19<djc>close the window and open a new one?
10:19<djc>sometimes it just gets out of sync with how big it thinks the window is
10:20<amjad>djc, it's pain ssh-ing again and again
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10:20<djc>dunno then
10:20<amphi_>amjad: run screen ;)
10:21<amjad>Can I open a window/tab in a way so it just duplicates the already logged in one
10:21<amjad>amphi_, I have difficult time scrolling with screen
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10:21<Lenhix>Yep, screen rules
10:22<amphi>amjad: eh?
10:22<Lenhix>I do a ssh and then run a screen, so I got many sessions over just one ssh session
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10:26<IcemanX> Hello at all, since the dist-upgrade from etch to lenny samba is horrible slow, somebody an idea to fix this problem
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10:26<djc>download a cd/dvd?
10:26<djc>get a faster internet connection?
10:27<djc>order a dvd mailed to you?
10:27<djc>give up and go back to windows?
10:27<OdyX>djc: reread the question ?
10:27<OdyX>"samba is horrible slow"
10:27<hahnp> IcemanX which sources do you use?
10:27<djc>thught he was saying the upgrade was slow
10:27<OdyX>IcemanX: try to hun that slowliness in the samba logs etc
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10:28<IcemanX>no problems found in the log files
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10:33<amjad>I am receiving an error missing How can I find the appropriate package in Debian that will give me this perl module
10:34<adema>hey, i need some help plz :s
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10:34<petemc>!tell amjad about search
10:34<adema>i installed pulseaudio for 2 weeks to try it, but it's so buggy, i'd like to use alsa again
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10:34<adema>so i basicly killed the pulseaudio process
10:35<MrHans>I have a question about iptables, is this the righ place to ask?
10:35<amjad>petemc, you mean I do aptitude search /
10:35<adema>but i've lost the "multiplexing" (not sure it's the correct word)
10:35<petemc>amjad: read what you were told
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10:35<amjad>oh sorry
10:35<adema>i can't play 2sounds from different apps at the same time
10:35<MrHans>I want to block all IPs in this form: 82.136.123.*
10:35<MrHans>and use something like: iptables -A INPUT -s 82.136.123.* -j DROP
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10:36<adema>for example, virtualbox is launched, and i can't listen music with audacious
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10:36<amjad>petemc, there should be a way so I do not search on the internet
10:36<adema>(and the xfce volule controll doesn't show my audio interface anymore, i can't regulate the volume)
10:37<djc>pulseaudio is a sound 'server'.. alsa is sound drivers
10:37<djc>pulseaudio doesnt replace alsa
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10:37<adema>hum, ok
10:37<adema>but i killed the pulseaudio process anyway
10:37<djc>you properly deinstalled it with apt?
10:37<djc>or just manually killed it?
10:38<adema>just manually killed it
10:38<djc>that might be hint
10:38<adema>cause i might need pulseaudio again
10:38<djc>you can always reinstall it later
10:38<adema>well, sure .. but i thought it would not be a problem to keep it install^^
10:38<adema>i'm uninstalling it right now
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10:39<djc>i cant guarantee that will solve your problem, but its a good start
10:40<djc>deinstalling it might reconfigure sound to work the way it did before you installed it
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10:42<adema>djc, i remove pulseaudio and do a "alsa force-reload"
10:42<adema>but nothing change^^
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10:44<adema>djc, any idea ? :x
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10:45<Astero1D>Hey, guys, I need to buy a decent graphics card for my bro, to run some 3d games. His ATI Radeon 9600 is either crap or ahs a crappy driver for linux. Which Brand model would you reocommend? how can I find out which cardshave better drivers?
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10:48<Txt-file>Astero1D: my radeon 9600 is working
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10:53<Astero1D>Txt-file, how much are 9600 s these days?
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10:54<Astero1D>I just opened case and the cards fan is blown, guess that explains the freezing I had
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10:55<Txt-file>Astero1D: how much in what?
10:56<Astero1D>how much dioes it cost?
10:56<Astero1D>The fan was blown I dont know if that's repairable
10:56<Txt-file>Astero1D: I wouldn't buy a radeon 9600 these days ...
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10:57<Astero1D>Are othe manufacturers of Nvidia as good as nvidia itself? (like Zotac and such, PNY)
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10:59<Txt-file>the other manufactures only ship the nVidia-card with some extra-stuff ... you can use the official nVidia-driver
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11:02<jesus2000>chatear con la cañera
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11:05<Astero1D>Txt-file, thanks for advice
11:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:06<Txt-file>Astero1D: np .,. but AGP-cards are rare these days
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11:07<Astero1D>I'm trying to determine if it's AGP of PCI express, usually if pc has agp it does not have PCIExpress right?
11:07<Astero1D>It's an old Motherboard and still running P4 quite well so I dont wnt to dich it
11:07<Txt-file>there are only a few boards with both
11:07<Txt-file>that sounds not like it has PCIe
11:08<dr|z3d>If it's a P4 motherboard, it's likely to be AGP.
11:08<djc>ok.. that translated to "chat with sugarcane"
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11:10<Astero1D>I wonder if it's worth replacing the video card fan
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11:10<Astero1D>I'm going to check the local hardware store if they have such components
11:10<djc>hardware store?
11:11<Astero1D>computer hardware lol
11:11<dr|z3d>Astero1D: might be a better place to look.
11:11<Astero1D>My only option seems to be buying geforce 6200, is this an OK card for some MMORPG games like silkroad, plain shift and such?
11:12<dr|z3d>And you have plenty of options, not just that card. Look online, plenty of AGP cards still available.
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11:13<Astero1D>dr|z3d, I need to pick it up today at a local store or else my brother will switch back to windows... trying to keep him on Debian untill he get addicted to linux :)
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11:14<djc>hahnp, uhm.. ok.. anyone you know?
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11:15<cahoot>Astero1D: futile
11:16<cahoot>Astero1D: trying to force a gamer to linux seems contraproductive
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11:16<Astero1D>cahoot, trying to get him off gaming too, and into real life
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11:18<Txt-file>Astero1D: replace the radeon 9600 with a rage 128 and he will get off for buying a better card :D
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11:18<Txt-file>or a new PC
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11:20<lnxpowa>Hey, Im trying to work my way around the absence of bnx2 firmware on Lenny installer, seeing that most of my work is done remotely I have no change of loading the firmware through removable media..
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11:20<lnxpowa>Has anyone come up with a workaround for this issue that doesnt involve phisical access to the server?
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11:21<koollman>lnxpowa: how do you do your installation remotely ? pxe netboot ?
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11:22<lnxpowa>nop, I have a normal installation CD in the server
11:23<lnxpowa>just the first CD, as I always perform the most basic installion and build my way up from there
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11:23<koollman>well, that's not totally remote, then. maybe you can get someone to put the firmware on some media too
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11:24<djc>how are you accessing the machine remotely? does it already have say an older debian on it?
11:24<lnxpowa>not exacly, the cd is inserted when the hardware is mounted on the rack, and then everything is done remotely
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11:24<lnxpowa>We have an avocent KVM system
11:24<koollman>the question would be, why do you even have a CD in that case, then.
11:24<lnxpowa>up to now we did this perfectly with debian Etch installers
11:24<koollman>you could generate a custom image containing the firmware
11:24<djc>well, it sounds like there *are* some people there. there's no way you can email them a iso with the firmware on it and ask them to put it in?
11:24<djc>or a usb key?
11:25<lnxpowa>nop, there arent... its a remote Datacenter, away from the tecnicians
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11:25<djc>well someone had to have mounted the box in the rack and put the cd in
11:25<buffoon_work> can't you fetch the firmware over http during install?
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11:26<petemc>the firmware makes the nic work, be hard to use http without it
11:26<lnxpowa>yes djc, but that's done like once a year when a whole bunch of new servers come along
11:26<djc>you dont need a technician to insert a usb key, any monkey can do it
11:26<koollman>lnxpowa: so, make a netboot server, reboot the machine on it, work from that
11:26<lnxpowa>petemc exacly my point
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11:27<petemc>i use pretty much exclusively dells, it is a real pain in the ass having to get the firmware to the machines
11:27<djc>well, you could always take the firmware locally, run uuencode on it, and then type the uuencoded text back in over the console into uudecode
11:27<lnxpowa>koollman to be honest I prefered the idea of generationg a custom image containing the firmware
11:28<themill>!installer firmware
11:28<dpkg>The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) firmware either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See and
11:28<lnxpowa>that doesnt really help now, does it?
11:28<koollman>lnxpowa: well, that image could also be booted via pxe. and, really, soon you will like having a netboot server around anyway. might as well try to start that now :)
11:28<lnxpowa>the whole point is I do not have the option of inserting removable media
11:29<djc>what would you do if a power cord came out? or if there was some other hardware problem?
11:29<lnxpowa>koollman I can give it a shot... Do you have any introduction documentation on that for me perhaps? :)
11:29<djc>you must have some action plan for physical maintenance if needed
11:29<lnxpowa>djc yeah, get on the car and drive there...
11:29<djc>unless this thing is on mars or something
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11:30<lnxpowa>powercords dont come off, and hardware failures isnt exacly a common event
11:30<derik>I need to use a bash function in my trap line but that function includes one of the signals that I am trapping, so what should I add inside that function to prevent the signals from getting trapped themselves?
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11:33<derik>Late and tired. Please ignore the last six words and replace them with what makes sense.
11:34<lnxpowa>koollman however, even if I had a netboot server installation system assembled (which I just might), wouldnt I still need to build a custom image?
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11:35<petemc>derik: set -o pipefail ?
11:35<koollman>lnxpowa: you would need a custom kernel and initrd, with the standard debian installer image
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11:36<lnxpowa>koollman now that doesnt sound easy... :|
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11:37<derik>petemc: Are you sure this helps? I don't understand how this is connected to my problem.
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11:37<petemc>derik: perhaps it doesnt
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11:40<djc>koollman, couldnt he just add the firmware somewhere on the debian installer cd?
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11:43<Blacker47>weasel, I got information, that I could inform you about a bug on website of debian
11:43<Blacker47>is it wrong?
11:44<weasel>who told you to contact me? who are you? what is the issue?
11:45<Blacker47>the issue is that on the german version is in other charset than http-header and html-header says
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11:46<Blacker47>weasel, it was a "the_real" on another irc network because I can't make a normal bug-report.. thay say "or say it to weasel"..
11:47<weasel>I have little to nothing to do with the website.
11:47<weasel>please file a bug or join #debian-www, maybe somebody can help you there
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11:47<Blacker47>like a quest on an adventure game.. :-)
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11:49<metalqga>Blacker47 just send an email to the admin
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11:53<TMcTrain>how do I get i2cdetect with a new system
11:54<TMcTrain>wich packet do i have to install
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12:02<lnxpowa>djc That would be the perfect option for me really, if there was a way to insert the firmware into the cd image
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12:08<lnxpowa>cahoot thanks a bunch!! :)
12:09<Astero1D>how do I stop the xserver and then start it again?
12:09<djc>ctrl-alt-backspace will stop it, gdm will automatically restart it
12:09<Astero1D>installinng nvidia proprietary drivers and need to stop Xserver
12:09<Tekno>init 3
12:09<Tekno>to root terminal
12:09<djc>init 3 not on debian
12:09<Astero1D>what is ctrl alt f1 then?
12:09<djc>ctrl-alt-f1 just switches to a different vc
12:10<Astero1D>and then I run gdm and both start?
12:10<djc>one that (usually) isnt where X is running
12:10<Tekno>sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
12:10<Astero1D>when I ctl alt backspace gdm stops as well?
12:10<djc>just hit ctrl-alt-backspace - it will completely kill X
12:10<djc>then gdm (the gui login manager) will start it back up
12:10<djc>or heck you could just 'log out'
12:10<Astero1D>ok I'll try that, thanks guys
12:10<djc>it will do the same thing
12:11<djc>each login uses a fresh instance of X
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12:11<Tekno>but if hes using nvidia installer, xorg must be stopped..
12:11<djc>i want my dvdram
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12:12<djc>Tekno, yes, and logging out, or ctrl-alt-backspacing, will kill the Xorg server
12:12<djc>and a new one will start
12:12<Tekno>djc: but it restarts it
12:12<djc>and it will use the new config
12:12<Tekno>he wants to STOP it
12:12<Tekno>because nvidia installer requires it
12:12<Tekno>it must be ran on commandline with xorg stopped
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12:12<djc>well I would say init 3, but thats a fedoraland answer
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12:13<djc>ive noted debian doesnt use the same runlevels setup as fedora
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12:13<Tekno>sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
12:13<Tekno>should do the trick
12:13<amphi>by default runlevels 2-5 are the same on debian
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12:14<Astero1D>no, ctl alt backspace didnt work
12:14<Astero1D>it flashes error messages in welcome aplicationa nd shows screena gain
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12:15<Astero1D>ok, so gdm stop stops xserver too?
12:15<Tekno>sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
12:15<Tekno>or in root terminal without sudo
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12:18<djc>Astero1D, sorry, i thought you just wanted to stop and restart right away
12:18<djc>Astero1D, do what Tekno said
12:18<djc>then you should have a text console to log into
12:18<Astero1D>ok, nvidia installer gives me error cos my current gcc version does not match one on system ( kernel 4.1 current 4.3, ) I have both installed, how do i give the installer an option to use 4.1 with export?
12:18<Astero1D>djc, Tekno thanks guys
12:18<Astero1D>djc, np
12:19<chealer>!tell Astero1D about nvidia-installer
12:20<Tekno>sudo update-alternaves something
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12:22<djc>Astero1D, basically go to
12:23<djc>and follow the instructions there
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12:25<norbert_>hi all, I'm looking for a website or mailing list where I reach artists who might be willing to draw things for a GPL3 application; I created an application that shows over 50 dumbbell training exercises when muscle groups are clicked, but the photographs of the exercises are currently copyrighted, so I'm looking for someone who's willing to draw free alternatives (and who will of cause be credited for his or her work)
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12:25<norbert_>I have a 8.9 MB tar.gz file of the application as it currently is that I can share with anyone who might be willing to help out
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12:26<steev>Is there somewhere that will let me know the status of the various debian mirrors?
12:26<norbert_>eh, yeah?
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12:27<norbert_>type debian mirrors status in Google
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12:27<djc>shows a lot of them as 'bad'.
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12:28<norbert_>maybe that's bad as in the Michael Jackson song
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12:28<steev>yes I found that page but it lists almost everything as broken, so I assumed it must be more internal than end-user oriented
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12:28<norbert_>how about this one?
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12:31<dpkg>one warez list being sent to grezzoman
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12:36<steev>norbert_: I'll keep googling. is giving me inconsistent results, and I want to see if it's been reported, and/or which of the two backend sites is good
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12:42<linlynx6>Bonsoir comment installer un fichier .tgz s'il vous plaît
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12:43<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
12:43<cahoot>linlynx6: don't install programs that way - stick to debian
12:43<Tekno>wrong language, sir
12:43<aa>@search murakami
12:43<Supaplex>!lose aa
12:43<dpkg>aa: You Lose.
12:44<linlynx6>is bpmdj I want to install
12:44<cahoot>aa: good choice of author anyway
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12:44<aa>sorry, wrong room :)
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12:46<linlynx6>second question I got .gz files who is themes files how to install as themes
12:46<metalqga>in gnome?
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12:47<metalqga>drag and drop into appearance prefs
12:47<linlynx6>no an error apear
12:49<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
12:49<lnxpowa>heh nice
12:49<linlynx6>or where I can get theme for debian, those are gnome gtk2 files
12:50<lnxpowa>did you take a look at
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12:51<lnxpowa>if you are using gnome that is...
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12:52<linlynx6>ok I will check a look, the other site I try before was
12:53<lnxpowa>so far gnome-look has worked perfectly for me
12:54<linlynx6>wich I choose for the desktop
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12:55<lnxpowa>GDM themes are for the login portion
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12:55<lnxpowa>use the GTK 2.x
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13:00<lnxpowa>\q Who killed kenny?
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13:00<just1>/mesg hi
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13:01<just1>can anyone c dis?
13:01<just1>oh hi
13:01<just1>im a newbie to irc
13:01<djc>!tell just1 about asking
13:01<cahoot>and to spelling?
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13:07<djc>just1, did you have a question or did you just pop in to announce your newness?
13:08<just1> sorry.. was taken aback by what jus popped up
13:08<djc>what popped up?
13:08<just1>dpkg is a bot
13:08<dpkg>no idea, just1
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13:08<djc><djc> !tell just1 about asking
13:08<djc>that is what caused that
13:09<djc>useful info, to someone new
13:09<just1>man.. for a sec there i thot it was someone
13:09<djc>just canned/recorded info to save people time typing
13:09<just1>can i try it?
13:09<djc>try what?
13:09<themill>dpkg: tell just1 about msg the bot
13:10<just1>!tell djc about helping others ;)
13:10<djc>its not omniscient
13:10<just1>ya.. got that..
13:10<just1>so there are set of rules for it to tell.. nice..
13:11<djc>just has lots of answers to common issues that come up in here all the time
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13:11<just1>im using GAIM.. jus wanted to know how i can create an account in some random server!!
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13:11<djc>did you need some help with somthing?
13:11<jpinx>what's the kernel to install on lenny now?
13:12<jpinx>I've been presented with a list - never happened during install before...:|
13:12<djc>jpinx, on install?
13:12<just1>im sorry but i'll stop with that ques, since i dont want to disturb u guys anymore
13:12<jpinx>djc: yes - fresh install
13:12<djc>what are the options?
13:12<jpinx>djc: hundreds
13:13<djc>hundreds of *kernels* ?
13:13<jpinx>includes bigmem, vserver, etc
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13:13<just1>but how can i create an account to connect to some channel for example
13:14<djc>just1, irc doesnt use 'accounts'
13:14<just1>tell me about blootbot
13:14<djc>although you can register a nick on some servers
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13:14<just1>so i can jus connect to a server?
13:15<djc>yep.. if you try to use a nick on a server that has nick registration and someone else has registered that nick, it will let you know and reset your nick
13:15<djc>/msg nickserv help
13:15<djc>and it will explain about registering a nick
13:15<djc>basically you give it an email addy and a password
13:15<just1>GAIM had me enter a screename and password for this server which i had created thru d site
13:16<djc>if you are going to use irc, you might want to use an actual irc client rather than a multi-IM client
13:16<djc>its called a 'nick'
13:16<djc>screen names are an aoluser thing
13:16<just1>which client do u suggest i use?
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13:16<djc>what OS do you use?
13:16<just1>mine is a debian
13:16<djc>this is a debian support channel
13:16<just1>ryt place!!
13:17<djc>go into the package manager, search for irc, pick one
13:17<djc>I use xchat
13:17<blarson>I use irssi
13:17<just1>cool.. i'll try both..
13:17<just1>so i just connect using /attach command ryt??
13:17<djc>read the docs for the irc client you use
13:18<djc>GUI ones will have menu's for selecting/connecting to a server
13:18<just1>!tell me about blootbot
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13:18<djc>and joining channels
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13:18<djc>there are many irc networks
13:18<djc>generally you dont just randomly onnect to them
13:18<just1>well.. actually im behind a proxy server so how do i connect ?
13:19<djc>irc clients can use proxy servers
13:19<just1>config? irssi?
13:19<just1>since CLI
13:19<djc>i just checked xchat's and it has a proxy setting in the network setup
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13:19<djc>"read the docs for the irc client you use"
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13:20<just1>k.. thanks a lot folks.. will b bac soon if i need help!!
13:20<just1>else i'll b bac via irssi or xchat
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13:49<gnumm>does aynone know where i can get the beautiful lenny wallpaper?
13:50<gnumm>i changed wallpaper in kde and i can'tz find it again
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13:57<simonrvn>gnumm: should be somewhere in /usr/share/backgrounds or such
13:57<Ish>where would i put a .pl file that is a cgi file?
13:58<gnumm>it is not in /usr/share/wallpapers
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14:00<simonrvn>gnumm: should be somewhere in /usr/share/backgrounds or such
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14:01<simonrvn>oh, it doesn't exist. sorry
14:01<Miles_Prower>I need help : I wanted to replace GDM on my machine by XDM, but broke both. I'd like to go back to GDM (still installed and configured, inactive) but can't remamber how to do it. dpkg-reconfigure ?
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14:03<gnumm> /usr/share/backgrounds doesn't exist
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14:04<hjb>Hi. Yesterday i've updated my lenny "testing" system to lenny "stable" (i.e. i've installed the latest updates without changing anything)
14:04<hjb>Now my laptop doesn't boot anymore
14:04<simonrvn>gnumm: i suppose you know the name of the file?
14:05<hjb>i'm running grub 1.96 on that machine
14:05<simonrvn>since you said it's not there both times
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14:05<simonrvn>Miles_Prower: yup, dpkg-reconfigure
14:05<simonrvn>gdm or xdm doesn't matter
14:05<hjb>when i try to boot, i get "error: unknown command 'initrd'"
14:06<Miles_Prower>I just ran dpkg-reconfigure -a, taking some time and well, haven't seen anything about GDM or XDM so far :p i'll wait
14:06<simonrvn>Miles_Prower: no that won't work
14:06<Engywuck>you have to set in /etc/alternates or so
14:06<simonrvn>totally different command
14:07<Engywuck>sorry, no debian sytsem available right now
14:07<simonrvn>Miles_Prower: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
14:07<simonrvn>then pick one
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14:07<hjb>the initrd errror can be fixed by removing a wrongly added newline
14:07<hjb>but then i get "error: unknown command 'linux'"
14:07<Miles_Prower>Thought it meant “all (available options)”, I guess I should read the manual next time
14:07<hjb>what's quite confusing
14:08<simonrvn>hjb: odd it would screw up so badly. mine was ok on first install.
14:08<Miles_Prower>Perfect! Thanks a lot
14:08<gnumm>simonrvn: which file? the wallpaper?
14:08<simonrvn>Miles_Prower: um, what?
14:08<simonrvn>gnumm: yeh
14:08<gnumm>no :)
14:08<hjb>i mena: hey: i've installed this grub2 from a debian system and it can't boot linux?!? what's wrong here?
14:08<simonrvn>Miles_Prower: np
14:08<Miles_Prower>Hm… "invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed."
14:08<Engywuck>Miles_Prower: try update-alternatives
14:08<Engywuck>!dpkg update-alternatives
14:08<dpkg>from memory, update-alternatives is a program to run from the command line. or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system
14:08<hjb>simonrvn yeah, i never thought it would screw up so badly
14:09<nickmack>hello, does anybody knows if theres a program that allows one to manage applications remotely on N810?
14:09<simonrvn>Engywuck: update-alternatives will only change the x-session-manager. the display manager isn't configured that way.
14:09<hjb>simonrvn somehow i've managed to boot it this morning, but i can't get it to boot at all now
14:09<Engywuck>ahh, k
14:10<djc>fr whoever was looking for the stock wallpaper
14:10<simonrvn>hjb: sec, i'll pastebin a section of mine so you can boot. modify to suit your set up of course.
14:10<Miles_Prower>I know it's a security issue, my this machine isn't at risk (it's a Eee 701), but is it possible to remove both GDM and XDM to get straight into my Openbox session?
14:10<hjb>simonrvn thanks
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14:12<djc>Miles_Prower, you could do a text login, and then start X.
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14:13<hjb>simonrvn hmm, looks quite like mine
14:13<Miles_Prower>Hm. I'm looking for an auto-login in the X session as my user account (and with the correct locale, fr, which is not the case atm)… Might as well keep GDM for the sake of it but I wish I could uninstall it to gain some room on a very minimal setup
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14:14<hjb>simonrvn same problem again "linux: unknown command"
14:15<djc>Miles_Prower, well, gdm can do auto login
14:15<djc>you need to login somehow
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14:15<djc>gdm handles graphical login, /bin/login handles text console login
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14:15<simonrvn>hjb: i've seen that happen on occasion. i'd soft reset the box and try again.
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14:16<simonrvn>grub2 seems to not take errors very well. make sure you've run update-grub too
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14:16<hjb>simonrvn that's like what i've done this morning: i'd changed to grubs rescue mode, back to "normal" which implies a soft-reset and afterwards it booted
14:16<hjb>simonrvn i'll try that again
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14:17<hjb>simonrvn oh, i've found something out... the 'linux' module in grub wasn't loaded
14:18<hjb>simonrvn i'll try insmod linux and then booting
14:19<simonrvn>heh, ok
14:19<hjb>simonrvn something is seariously fucked up here, i'll guess :-)
14:19<simonrvn> insmod gfxterm
14:19<simonrvn> insmod vbe
14:19<simonrvn>i have that too
14:20<hjb>simonrvn thos are in place, thanks. but the "search" doesn't accept --by-uuid
14:20<hjb>is there a module for that, too?
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14:20<simonrvn>lsmod should show you the loaded modules
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14:21<hjb>simonrvn hmm, but where can i find the *not* loaded modules?
14:21<hjb>and what they are good for?
14:22<hjb>my "search" command seems not to be full-featured
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14:22<simonrvn>insmod <tab> should work
14:23<sd_>Hello! Where to adjust file size limit in Etch? When I try to transfer 24Gb file into filesystem it complains (cp) "File size limit exceeded" having copied 16Gb only...
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14:24<hjb>simonrvn yes, true, at least somehow: it shows the root fs, and i've found all available mods under /boot/grub
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14:24<hjb>simonrvn now i have to find which one i need
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14:25<hjb>that'll take some time ;)
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14:31<Miles_Prower>dpkg-reconfigure -a takes a looooooooooooooong time ;_;
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14:34<rjent>Greetings, if I do a xhost + is this setting retained?
14:34<rjent>upon say a reboot
14:34<rjent>for a given user
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14:37<hjb>rjent no
14:37<rjent>hjb: so if I tell a user to do this for the a given session it is ok?
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14:38<hjb>rjent think so
14:38<panthera>rjent: it's better to use xauth
14:38<hjb>depends on what you try him to do ;)
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14:40<h2>We're all trying to be good lads and use approx on our networks, but I and others are getting hash sum mismatch errors that break upgrades
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14:41<rjent>panthera and hjb: thanks for the response
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14:41<rjent>I needed to do it for a one time install of an gui app that needs root access
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14:47<themill>!root x
14:47<dpkg>If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>!
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14:50<h2>looks like these are known and unfixed bugs for years now, so I guess the question is, when you get these types of errors, in approx, how can you work around them? It looks like approx is in fact not at all a working proxy, and fails when multiple systems use it at the same time
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14:54<goodxandros>thanks dpkg
14:54<goodxandros>good to know
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14:56<simonrvn>goodxandros: dpkg is a bot...
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15:07<Supaplex>interesting. bash isn't tab completing with escaped spaces.
15:07<goodxandros>cool lol
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15:09<enouf>Supaplex: pinf
15:09<enouf>Supaplex: ping
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15:09<Arcalyth>Hi, can anyone help me/
15:09<Supaplex>!tell Arcalyth -about ask
15:09<enouf>soon .. a bot of great power that can do pciids will be introduced :-)
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15:09<goodxandros>hahaha and here i was thinking dpkg was some clever dude who didnt mind answering good questions
15:09<Supaplex>enouf: no thanks to my hackory eh? :)
15:10<Arcalyth>Supaplex I've come in here numerous times, asking the same question, and nobody helped. So I have to act like a noob apparently. =/
15:10<enouf>Supaplex: nor mine
15:10<goodxandros>yeah peps arnt like that i should have known
15:10<Supaplex>Arcalyth: perhaps no one knows. you can increase your odds with "how to ask smart questions" (google that)
15:10<themill>enouf: hehe
15:11<Arcalyth>Supalex: I'd appreciate if you could read then
15:11<hjb>simonrvn thanks for your help. after all i'll figured the error with help from #grub. problem was that i hadn't run 'grub-install' after upgrading the package
15:11<hjb>strange that that isn't in some post-inst script, though
15:11<enouf>Supaplex: dd style though - and besides, why on earth would anyone need to see their pciid alias matched in coior? i never understood thst
15:11<dkr>hjb: well, there is a message telling you you might have to do it. :)
15:11<enouf>themill: ;-)
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15:12<hjb>dkr yeah, the one that i obviously missed ;-D
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15:13<cshock>can someone tell me how to install nvidia drivers on debian lenny
15:13<Arcalyth>Supaplex: I'd appreciate if you could read then (sorry, misspelled your name the first time)
15:13<dkr>hjb: I almost did myself. used scroll lock during the aptitude update to read, heh
15:13<Supaplex>enouf: makes it a little eaiser to illustrate how we decided this line is what we want. I suppose I could convert it to awk and just spit out the module name only.
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15:14<dkr>Arcalyth: try su<tab> :)
15:14<enouf>Supaplex: but a plain <my command> is formatted fine
15:14<Supaplex>Arcalyth: no, your nick complete works fine. I have a asus netbook, and I use s2disk manually. I haven't got around to integrating it into the power button.
15:14<Arcalyth>dkr: I'm aware lol
15:14<Arcalyth>Supaplex, I'm not concerned about integrating it with my power button. I want it to work properly first.
15:14<enouf>Supaplex: even to me, it's confusing actually
15:14<Supaplex>dkr: or su<tab><tab><tab><tab> until it says Supaplex. otherwise sunoano or suiside or sutula or SuperDale etc... :P
15:15<dkr>Supaplex: smart people sort nick completion order by last spoke rather than alphabetically :)
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15:17<Supaplex>ahh. s/people/irc clients/. mine does that too, but alas you're right. :P
15:17<Supaplex>!pciid [0123:5678]
15:17<dpkg>"$1: egrep -i `echo $1 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$uname -r/modules.alias"
15:18<Arcalyth>Supaplex: Any ideas?
15:19<Supaplex>Arcalyth: I've told you everything I can think about your issue. try the users mailing list
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15:20<Arcalyth>Supaplex: I will. thanks.
15:20<Supaplex>!pciid [0000:1111]
15:20<dpkg>egrep -i `echo 0000:1111 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
15:20<Supaplex>enouf: better?
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15:21<cshock>can someone tell me how to install nvidia drivers on debian lenny
15:21<themill>Supaplex: soon, hopefully, judd will have a plugin that can do the lookup directly for us
15:21<Supaplex>cshock: /msg dpkg nvidia
15:21<cshock>thank you
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15:21<stew>soon as in a few hours from now, thanks to themill's not wanting to do his real work
15:22<enouf>Supaplex: ~$ grep '10de.*0614' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.pcimap
15:22<enouf>is fine
15:22<enouf>to me
15:22<themill>stew: heh ;( too true
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15:25<Supaplex>enouf: the bot is a little limted on CMD: entries.
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15:25<Supaplex>humm I could drop -Ei I suppose.
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15:27<c36pop>hi i ve to set up a debian server for my work ; my collegues ask me to set up a terminal server so i choossed vino
15:27<Supaplex>enouf: awk /'10b7.*9055'/'{print $1}' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap :)
15:27<c36pop>but ever on the same ethernet switch it is extremely slow
15:27<c36pop>is there another solution
15:28<dam>Arcalyth: is your netbook an EeePC by chance?
15:28<Arcalyth>dam: no.
15:28<Supaplex>dell iirc
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15:29<dam>oh, sorry
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15:29<dam>Supaplex: yours?
15:29<Supaplex>cshock: so is it the switch, or vino?
15:29<Supaplex>dam: mine's the acerone
15:29<c36pop>i do not understand it is extremely slow
15:29<cshock>what supaplex
15:29<dam>22:14 < Supaplex> Arcalyth: no, your nick complete works fine. I have a asus netbook...
15:29<Supaplex>cshock: my tab complete bad. sorry
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15:30<Supaplex>!lart irssi's tab/nick complete
15:30*dpkg beats irssi's tab/nick complete senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
15:30<cshock>can i install nvidia drivers through apt get
15:30<Supaplex>cshock: sort of
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15:31<cshock>i tried envy but the .deb file wouldnt install
15:31<InkBottle>does anyone know what is the problem with at the present time?
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15:31<cshock>when i click install package it just closes after that and doesn't install
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15:32<stuckey>Hello... I'm trying to play a movie in mplayer in fullscreen. When I press 'f' it stays the same size, when I expect it to go fullscreen. I'm using Lenny.
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15:35<vhyedfot>stuckey: maybe caps lock activated?
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15:35<stuckey>vhyedfot: no I tried it at the terminal also.
15:35<djc>stuckey, put the mouse over the window
15:35<enouf>Supaplex: yes, but with your way, a) you have no idea of the kernel version and b) you do not see what matched
15:35<stuckey>djc: I tried it at the terminal also...
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15:37<vhyedfot>stuckey: not shure,i use xine is f fullscreen key of mplayer,too?
15:37<dkr>vhyedfot: yes
15:38<InkBottle>stuckey: what does 'mplayer -fs foo.avi' gives?
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15:39<stuckey>InkBottle: goes fullscreen but the video is centered and small.
15:39<Supaplex>enouf: a) uname -r b) --color ? you want just the module name alone, right?
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15:39<dkr>stuckey: weren't you discussing this in another channel? didn't follow other ocnversation though. did you try vo=xv,x11 ?
15:39<InkBottle>stuckey: might a problem with the '-vo'; it doesn't bear full screen
15:39<Supaplex>enouf: and, the bot will eventually not require $users' already running system,
15:39<stuckey>dkr: neither worked...
15:42<enouf>Supaplex: no, i want to see the module + the match, but left justified with a tab is enough to show importance of name vs useless numbers
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15:43<enouf>(seemingly useless)
15:43<dkr>seems to have been issues with nv driver fullscreen for a while, heh
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15:46<enouf>Supaplex: and .. if i post the real kernel name - and they run it - it will fail - which will tell me much
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15:49<ghee>hey guys virtualbox issues after a kernel upgrade... is there an easy way to make my disk image available again?
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15:49<balazsbela>any packages for 2.6.28 kernel ?
15:49<Supaplex>ghee: what are we to assume here? is debian the guest or the host? what kernel versions?
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15:50<ghee>sorry debian's the host, kernel now is 2.6.28 from 2.6.26 i believe
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15:51<Supaplex>ghee: was there a kernel module needed to access the disk image etc?
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15:52<ghee>i assume so. everything worked fine when i'd installed. after the upgrade i installed the new vb modules for the current kernel, but that didn't work
15:53<ghee>now though i've completely uninstalled and reinstalled, but i can't associate vb w/ the existing disk image
15:54<Supaplex>is vb on an offical repo? you may need to recompile them. maybe they have a module-assistant way to do it.
15:55<EA3B>Hello all. I'm having a problem upgrading an ia64 box to Lenny. The package console-common can't be installed because thee preinst script doesn't recognize perl. Where should I look for help? Can I force a package install and supress execution of pkg scripts?
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15:55<ghee>ubuntu and fedora have dkms but i don't think debian does, at least i didn't see it in the repos. anyway thx, i think i'll just make a new image, it's no loss really
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15:57<s-thet>hi all
15:57<lau>i would like to dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config i am behind my isp at home and do not know how to fill debconf, smbdy can help?
15:57<lau>1st i selected ' mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail'
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15:58<s-thet>i try to install my nvidia graphics and now the setup tells me that i need gcc 4.1 instead of 4.3, because the kernel was compiled with 4.1 do i have to install that 4.1 version and where can i get it please?
15:58<lau>2sd i just put my hostname
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15:58<lau>3rd i put ';192.168.x.x'
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15:58<s-thet>the setup also said something about changing the copilers name to 4.1, could anybody tell me how that could work please
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16:00<lau>and i am kind of stuk :(
16:01<nickmack>hey guys
16:01<nickmack>i need some help here
16:01<Supaplex>!tell nickmack -about ask
16:02<Supaplex>s-thet: I ran into something like that too. if the same gcc is available, you can /msg dpkg search on how to find it.
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16:03<Supaplex>it's been a week since I had that issue, but gcc wasn't in my repo.
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16:09<Zvezdichko>uh, when I try to mount /dev/sda1 it tells me refused to mount it for uid=1000
16:09<Zvezdichko>any idea what I should do?
16:10<dr|z3d>mount it as root.
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16:10<dr|z3d>ie prefix the mount command with sudo
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16:11<dr|z3d>Or change the permissions for your user account. sudo users-admin
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16:13<Zvezdichko>Oh, good idea
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16:13<Zvezdichko>but I don't like to do it every time I boot
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16:13<Zvezdichko>I will try modifying my /etc/fstab
16:14<Supaplex>then use auto
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16:16<stuckey>How do I install kernel source tress?
16:18<dr|z3d>stuckey: apt-get install linux-source.. or similar.
16:18<stuckey>dr|z3d: Says it's already installed.
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16:18<adama> has broken dependencies in squeeze. should I report that?
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16:19<dr|z3d>Then you have no need to install it, stuckey :)
16:19<stuckey>I'm trying to install the nvidia driver, but the nvidia installer says that they're not installed.
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16:19<c36pop>HI I HAVE TO GIVE TWO ip to one nic in debian lenny but with network manager it is not possible
16:20<stuckey>dr|z3d: It says "unable to find kernel source trees for the current running kernel."
16:20<c36pop>is it a good idea to remove it and switch back to the old model
16:21<petemc>sounds like it if you want to have 2 ips
16:21<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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16:22<c36pop>petemc ; yes
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16:23<adama> # it looks like they are moving OOo 3 into squeeze but are just partway done?
16:25<adama>it's been like this for a couple of days though
16:25<Maulkin>You appear to have mixes unstable and testing sources.
16:25<valdyn>adama: you have unstable sources
16:26<adama>I don't see any testing
16:26<adama>I'm running unstable
16:26<valdyn>adama: and oo.org3 is moving to unstable, not squeeze
16:26<adama>I thought squeeze is unstable??
16:26<valdyn>adama: its not
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16:27<dpkg>sid is, like, the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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16:27<justaguy>is there a #sid?
16:28<justaguy>or #unstable?
16:28<Supaplex>no, but we have a slow and painfull infant death channel. ;)
16:28<valdyn>justaguy: i think theres a #debian-devel channel somewhere
16:28<adama>hmmmm, let me see if I can fix this
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16:28<justaguy>I was just curious, offtopic?
16:28<c36pop>hi can i remove network manager ??
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16:28<valdyn>c36pop: can you?
16:29<c36pop>and configure my deba server with ifconfig and scripts
16:29<valdyn>c36pop: remove it, read man interfaces
16:29<c36pop>i have to give twi ip adresses to the same nic
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16:29<Supaplex>c36pop: eth0 eth0:1 eth0:2 ...
16:29<Supaplex>see the interfaces man page. it explains all
16:29<elnino>my crons stopped running, what i can look at? I've enabled cron logging, and all I see is: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php4 ] && find /var/lib/php4/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php4/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm) - I have no idea what that means.
16:30<valdyn>c36pop: however nm does not interfer with the interfaces you set up in /etc/network/interfaces
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16:30<c36pop>yes but it semmes tha network manager tooked the step on it no ?
16:30<valdyn>c36pop: so you dont need to remove it
16:30<valdyn>c36pop: just need to restart it if you are not rebooting
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16:31<c36pop>and ifconfig command in rc.local ist it not good ?
16:31<valdyn>c36pop: thats silly to manually do what debian provides a nice environment for
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16:32<elnino>ok. I found where the /var/lib/php4 cron is comming from, so apparantly some crons are running, but none of my cron.dailys or cron.hourlys are running.
16:32<c36pop>i have two ips for the same nic with one of them bridged to a openvpn tap so i used to do it with scripts in the past
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16:32<Supaplex>c36pop: there's usually a "debian way" about things.
16:32<c36pop>ok i ll check thanks
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16:36<EA3B>Is it possible to supress execution of a preinst script when installing a package using dpkg?
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16:39<themill>EA3B: you can unpack without actually installing using the -x option. man dpkg.
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16:40<EA3B>themill: Thanks. I have a broken package that I need to install.
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16:40<EA3B>themill: I'm more familiar with rpm...
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16:46<adama>OK now I am running squeeze/testing not squeeze/unstable, excellent. I'm surprized nothing broke earlier :P
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16:48<BlueG>where can I find a detailed comparison of rpm vs deb?
16:48<valdyn>BlueG: whats the point?
16:48<valdyn>BlueG: both have pretty much the same features
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16:49<BlueG>I had heard that deb had some features rpm lacked, but never specified what
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16:50<BlueG>how does a dev generally go about creating debs?
16:51<valdyn>BlueG: maybe thats true, maybe not, but it's not that important, debian package management would be better than redhats even if debian used rpms
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16:52<BlueG>valdyn: what is the advantage of debian package management over redhats?
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16:52<valdyn>BlueG: the debian developers and debians policy
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16:53<valdyn>BlueG: and debian is huge, no distro packages near as much software
16:54<BlueG>valdyn: yes, I can certainly see the advantages there
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16:54<BlueG>I'm about to install Lenny on a couple more machines. I swapped my wife's machine to debian when ubuntu broke everything...
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16:55<BlueG>I even burned some Lenny installation discs for a local university food bank :-)
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16:57<lord>is debian with the freebsd kernel a usuable sdesktop system or more something in development?
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16:57<weasel>it's something to play with
16:58<weasel>probably not (yet) something to use in production
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17:14<c36pop>hi my hostname is XXX and in etc.hosts i have a line XXX , at home everything works fine
17:15<c36pop>but at work when i type dhclient eth0
17:15<c36pop>my line in et/hosts becomes XXX.COMPANY.LOCAL
17:15<c36pop>and after reboot debian is extremely slow if i do not change that line
17:15<c36pop>any idea ?
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17:26<Engywuck>seems like dhclient changes your hists file... strange
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17:26<Engywuck>you have no dhcp at home?
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17:30<amjad>how can i check installed perl modules?
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17:35<themill>amjad: what do you want to check about them>
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17:36<amjad>themill, I want to see if HTML::Template is installed or not.
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17:37<themill>amjad: if you have locate installed and up to date, "locate HTML/Template" failing that, use find on /usr/share/perl5
17:37<amjad>themill, ok, let me try that
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17:38<themill>amjad: you can also use apt-file to to find the files or apt-cache search HTML::Template to work out what package it's in.
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17:40<Supaplex>apt-file search HTML/ :)
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17:40<randu>hey guys
17:40<amjad>themill, thanks for the tips. It worke
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17:46<randu>i just bought an agp nvidia game card and installed it but it keeps overheating when i launch my game, im gona return it but im thinking the other nvidia cards that are for agp is stores dont have the fan so its most likely for them to over heat so would you suggest going back to radeon?
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17:47<Supaplex>no fan? are they nuts?
17:47<dr|z3d>Passive cooler?
17:47<randu>its got a heat controler
17:47<randu>but its not as powerfull as a fan
17:47<jeremiah_>Are man pages all gzipped by default?
17:47<dr|z3d>You could mount a fan on top of the cooler, possibly.
17:48<randu>cause the game im launching freezes right away goe up to 130 degrees lol
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17:49<randu>the cooler itself cost 50$+
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17:49<randu>and im buying like a 70-90$ game card
17:49<randu>is it still worth it?
17:50<dr|z3d>Sure, if it stops your card from overheating. Or just buy a better card with better cooling.
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17:50<themill>jeremiah_: yes
17:50<ColInvictus>evening all
17:51<jeremiah_>themill: Thank you. :)
17:51<randu>k thx
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17:52<randu>any gamers on linux?
17:52<ColInvictus>how do i change the order of my soundcards in /proc/asound/modules - i've tried using the advice in the ubuntu forum but that fails, and leaves me with only the wrong soundcard available
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17:54<Supaplex>ColInvictus: might be in /etc/udev/rules.d/ someplace.
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17:58<ColInvictus>Supaplex: noob here. what do these files do? looks like they tell the system what hardware to look for. is that right?
17:58<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
17:58<Supaplex>comes to mind. but that's ethernet.
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18:00<Supaplex>it appears audio isn't a persistant thingy. just a stab in the dark. sorry :)
18:01<ColInvictus>ok, so the problem is that BOTH sound chipsets are recognised, but the only one active is the motherboard set, and i need to change the order ALSA recognises them in so that the PCI overrides the motherboard
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18:02<Tarcas>ColInvictus: easy answer is to remove the module for the motherboard's chipset.
18:02<ColInvictus>Tarcas: fairy nuff... how?
18:03<Tarcas>modprobe is the utility. I haven't used it much. (I roll my own kernels and include what I need)
18:03<Tarcas>I'm sure someone else here can help better than I. I need to run anyway.
18:03<ColInvictus>OK, thanks anyway
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18:05<ColInvictus>anyone? /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base seems to be loading every sound module in the world. would removing everything but the one i need help?
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18:05<dpkg>Add module to kernel: "modprobe foo"; Remove module from kernel: "modprobe -r foo". See also: <modules>, <modconf>, "man modprobe", "man modprobe.conf", /etc/modprobe.d/* , <blacklist>
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18:05<ghee>hey guys
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18:07<ghee>a sound question for you... would the "capabilities" my sound card was listed as having using lshw be the options that can be called in loading the snd_hda_intel module? and if so, how do i find out what those capabilities refer to?
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18:07<ColInvictus>...Tarcas, dpkg : tried, but the problem is the modules are already loaded, just overridden by the onboard chips?
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18:11<ghee>ColInvictus I got on too late to catch your problem. But blacklisting my onboard soundcard and slightly modifying /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base got my usb audio working
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18:18<Lemonzest>i just checked in exprimental for wine, and its got mismatched versions, some are 1.1.13 others are 1.1.14, is it currently being uploaded or something?
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18:19<cisc0ninja>i'm having an issue with my debian server can anyone help me?
18:19<cisc0ninja>i know that i have a little bit of a linux raid issue, but that's not the main part
18:19<cisc0ninja>how do i go about making it so that certain services dont start at boot/run level change?
18:20<cisc0ninja>i can boot into single user mode but i can't bring up networking services in run level 1, if i go to run level 2 then the services auto start and system crashes
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18:21<cisc0ninja>sorry to be a bother
18:21<Supaplex>ColInvictus: update-rc.d
18:22<Supaplex>cisc0ninja: ^^^
18:22<Supaplex>ColInvictus: nm me :)
18:23<Supaplex>nm means never mind, but it wasn't directed to you.
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18:23<Supaplex>cisc0ninja: eg the "nm" part. update-rc.d however is meant for you.
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18:27<cisc0ninja>ok, thank you supaplex
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18:31<Supaplex>has lenny fixed the xen+nvidia issue? (it's more a non-free issue, but you know what I mean...) perhaps I will look into the release notes. :) (soon)
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18:35<ColInvictus>back to basics: how do i get lenny to load tha module for CA0106 before any other sound driver?
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18:37<GhostlyDeath>yknow, if the screen is locked in GNOME, shouldn't you not be able to shut the computer off by pressing the power button (depending on your settings)?
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18:38<dlublink>one know where I can find a mirror that I can install debian 4.0 from ???
18:38<GhostlyDeath>The "Please choose an option" dialog box popped up while locked
18:38<VelvetElvis>i'm having trouble getting the virtualbox kernal modual to load after upgrading the packages in sid. anyone know about this?
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18:38<Supaplex>VelvetElvis: bts might
18:39<VelvetElvis>I didn't see any bug reports but I guess I can file one
18:39<Supaplex>I know someone else asked about it. try doing some homework to get to the bottom of it, if you can.
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18:48<ghee>ColInvictus install sound-slot-0 /sbin/modprobe <driver_name> in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
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18:49<ghee>ColInvictus I would also blacklist your onboard card in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
18:50<ghee>ColInvictus that's what I did with my soundcard. I also just commented out its "install" in the alsa-base file
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18:53<chudy>hi everybody
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18:54<chudy>one question,has anybody any concept about omnet pp/inet?
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18:59<chudy>whois Caroll
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19:14<twb>I'm trying to make an Etch system do LVM, but lvm2 isn't being copied into the initramfs.
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19:15<twb>dpkg -L lvm2 shows that this package doesn't provide *any* files in /usr/share/initramfs -- contrary to what I can see on another (Hardy) box, and IIRC what I've seen on Lenny boxes.
19:15<dpkg>ii lvm2 shows that this package doesn't provide *any* files in /usr/share/initramfs -- contrary to what I can see on another (Hardy) box, and IIRC what I've seen on Lenny boxes. 2.4-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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19:15<twb>Is this because etch is retarded, or have I forgotten a step, or is my package lvm2 improperly installed?
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19:16<Engywuck>is there a reason to use oldstable instead of stable?
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19:17<abrotman>Engywuck: if oyu're not ready to upgrade your system yet
19:17<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
19:18<twb>Engywuck: political reasons, essentially.
19:18<Engywuck>just asking
19:19<Ethaniel>How can I tweak network parameters? I adjusted the MTU size, but I don't know about the rest...
19:19*pmitros usually uses oldstable for about a month after the new stable is released
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19:20<twb>Ethaniel: sysctl.conf
19:20<pmitros>That way, if there are any critical bugs in the upgrade process, I'll know about them.
19:20<pmitros>Or non-critical bugs, for that matter
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19:23<Engywuck>I upgraded a week or so before calling it stable :D
19:23<Engywuck>well for the lvm case
19:24<pmitros>I've had Debian on my desktop probably for over a decade now. It works just like when I installed it, and I like to keep it that way, so I'm pretty cautious there.
19:24<Supaplex>humm wt-drbd-d-i-f
19:24<Ethaniel>TCP Window Scaling is automatic in Debian?
19:24<Engywuck>did you try to manually start creating the initramfs?
19:24<Supaplex>Ethaniel: no. you have to type with window size for every packet. ;)
19:24<pmitros>My server, I'm cautious with too. Laptops get replaced often enough that I just run Ubuntu there.
19:25<Supaplex>Ethaniel: why do you ask?
19:25<Ethaniel>Good one, Supaplex. :P
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19:25<Ethaniel>Just curious. I changed the MTU size, I want to know if I can do the same with TCP Window and RWIN.
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19:26<Ethaniel>Which, well, are the same thing.
19:26<Ethaniel>(Windows-tainted mind)
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19:28*Supaplex ponders how he shall juggle lvm(s)+drbd all on the same disk (for vserver too)... humm...
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19:28<dpkg>rumour has it, drbd is a block device which is designed to build high availability clusters. This is done by mirroring a whole block device via (a dedicated) network. You could see it as a network raid-1. It is basically raid 1 over two pcs.
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19:28<dk4nno>good day
19:28<dk4nno>i need help
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19:28<Supaplex>!tell dk4nno -about ask
19:29<dk4nno>but i know english littlebit
19:29<Supaplex>dk4nno: what language is native for you?
19:29<dk4nno>ok supa... i'm instaling e17 in debian 5
19:29<dk4nno>Supaplex, spanish
19:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:30<Supaplex>humm e17. sounds fun. haven't played with it yet.
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19:30<dk4nno>Supaplex, what do u using?
19:31<pmitros>Ugh. Enlightenment. I remember installing Enlightement. Lots of eye candy, but my machine crawled. I switched back to twm pretty fast. It was a disaster.
19:31<pmitros>And it was a top-of-the-line 486dx4/100 too, at the time
19:31<dk4nno>pmitros, what do u say?
19:31<Supaplex>dk4nno: openbox
19:31<dr|z3d>These days Enlightenment's one of the lighter weight window managers.
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19:32<Ethaniel>I stick with XFCE. Simple, and it works.
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19:32<Supaplex>!start a wm war
19:32<dpkg>fluxbox blows chunks!
19:32<dk4nno>i've a new laptop.. and i instaled debian... my new laptop is a acer aspireone
19:32<twb>dk4nno: only if by window manager you mean desktop environment -- which would be misleading and incorrect.
19:33<Supaplex>openbox rawkz on the acerone. =) imo
19:33<dk4nno>is good.. but i need more speed
19:33<Ethaniel>dk4nno: Nice one, me wants. :P
19:33*Supaplex pats his acer1
19:33<dk4nno>rula chevere
19:33<Ethaniel>But I'll wait for some Ion-based netbook.
19:34*pmitros wants a Gigabyte M912, once they're available in the US, and prices level off
19:34<Ethaniel>Or a Nano alternative... (VIA, where are you?)
19:34<dk4nno>fluxbox is good.. but i dont like install here
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19:34<dk4nno>they understand me?
19:35<pmitros>Ion seems pointless to me. Why pair a 2W processor with an 18+W chipset?
19:35<wakariera>me in love with lenny
19:35<Ethaniel>It's better than the 945G...
19:35<pmitros>It looks pretty on paper, until you look at the power consumption
19:35<wakariera>i just did an update from etch n its so good
19:35<dk4nno>what do they think? who is better... e17 r fluxbox?
19:35*pmitros likes fluxbox
19:36<abrotman>dk4nno: they're completely different
19:36<wakariera>i have e16 but i prefer blackbox or flux
19:36<dk4nno>i know
19:36<wakariera>flux is th fastest isn it
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19:36<mustafa>hi all
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19:37<dk4nno>i go to install e17
19:37<pmitros>945GSE isn't great, but it's still less power than the Ion.
19:37<dk4nno>bu i've a problem
19:37<xoomer>I have a question, Related to the PPC port of debian?
19:37<dk4nno>i dont know about a good repository
19:37<wakariera>is there a peer guardian source anywhere anyone?
19:37<twb>!tell xoomer -about ask
19:37<abrotman>xoomer: you can ask here or #debianppc
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19:38<dk4nno>thx for all...
19:38<dk4nno>i'll go tu .es
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19:38<Ethaniel>pmitros: But we have to look beyond battery performance. An Ion-based netbook can break Microsoft limitations. We can have netbooks with 2GB of RAM and 12 inch screens...
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19:39<xoomer>ok so I have a Apple G4 and I'm trying to find an OS that supports the hardware already in the apple, like the Ati Pro video card. I tried fedora and it doesn't support the Video or sound..
19:39<Ethaniel>And I think a 6-cell battery could do the trick.
19:40<abrotman>xoomer: it should ...
19:40<abrotman>xoomer: i have a ppc mini .. running lenny, works fine
19:40<xoomer>ok what is lenny?
19:41<twb>!tell xoomer -about lenny
19:41<xoomer>ok thats good.. cause thats the one I'm d/ling now...
19:41<twb>Ethaniel: in the context of netbooks, what is an ion? Link to Wikipedia article?
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19:42<twb>xoomer: I ran Debian 4.0 or 5.0 (I forget which) on an early PowerPC Mac Mini without any problems.
19:42<Ethaniel>Ion: Nvidia-chipset based solution for netbooks.
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19:42<twb>Ethaniel: ARM, or still just a shitty x86?
19:42<xoomer>Well this is G4 400 MHZ
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19:42<abrotman>xoomer: mine is a 1.4Ghz i think ..
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19:43<Ethaniel>It uses an Intel Atom. If you want ARM in a netbook you have to wait for FreeScale netbooks....
19:43<twb>xoomer: mine was certainly a G4, but I don't remember how fast it was. It wouldn't surprise me if it was 400MHz.
19:43<twb>Ethaniel: well, NVIDIA are also making noises about ARM SoC for netbooks.
19:43<xoomer>OSX was just to slow so I'm figuring I should just try and see if I can make it any faster.
19:44<xoomer>the install process is pretty simple right? I don't have to much work do I?
19:44<Ethaniel>Yes, but they are stepping softly. ARM means "no Windows", and you know how people react to that usually.
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19:44<abrotman>xoomer: there's a PPC installation guide if you want to read it
19:44<twb>Ethaniel: with a suffusion of joy?
19:45<xoomer>yes I should probably read it.
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19:46<Ethaniel>twb: Actually, with whining and a strange look. Look at the Eees. All netbooks started with Linux, but Windows showed up three months later.
19:46<twb>xoomer: for the most part, Debian 5.0 should allow you to just keep clicking "next".
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19:46<twb>Ethaniel: I think you're hanging out with the wrong people.
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19:46<twb>Ethaniel: maybe they're actually dogs or something.
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19:47<Joshua5150>man! I am loving Lenny!
19:47<Joshua5150>Its rock solid!
19:47<Ethaniel>I don't know, I just learned that there's life beyond Windows.
19:48<xoomer>I hope so... I read that i dont have to download all the disks just the first one and that should allow me to install a base system..
19:48<abrotman>xoomer: you can just grab the 160MB netinst if you prefer
19:48<Joshua5150>Download the netisntall
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19:51<xoomer>cause I have already d/l the the 1st disk
19:51<Ethaniel>Changing the subject a little bit: I forgot to install Flash. Using apt-get is the way or I need to take another road?
19:51<themill>dpkg: tell Ethaniel about adobe flash
19:52<dr|z3d>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
19:52<abrotman>dr|z3d: that doesn't work unless you're using unstable
19:53<asteroid>just read that gnash is installed by default in lenny
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19:53<dr|z3d>abrotman: Ah, okeydoke. Me bad.
19:53<abrotman>asteroid: i think if you use gnome it install swfdec
19:53<Joshua5150>gnash didnt work very well for me
19:53<Joshua5150>I installed the flashplugin-nonfree and everything worked fine
19:54<Ethaniel>And the "sources" entry for is...?
19:54<abrotman>Ethaniel: go to their website and look
19:55<themill>Ethaniel: or ask dpkg about it... follow the links...
19:55<ColInvictus>anyone: how do i change the alsa module load order?
19:55<abrotman>you can use module rules
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19:58<ColInvictus>i get sound from the motherboard sound chips, but my CA0106 soundcard is silent. anyon
19:59<xoomer>Yeah ITS Alive..... Doing something!
19:59<pmitros>Ethaniel: Sorry. I was on the phone. I'm not sure how Ion relates to life beyond Windows.
20:00<xoomer>See what I don't understand is how you can have windows without walls
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20:00<Ethaniel>(flashplayer-mozilla works like a charm, thanks)
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20:00<pmitros>Ethaniel: Indeed, low-performance machines were what created the first serious niche for typical end-user GNU/Linux. Windows can't run very well there.
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20:05<Ethaniel>What I'm saying is that thanks to Ion, manufacturers will be able to play more with their hardware. I've seen netbook specs and, well...
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20:05<Ethaniel>... I can count an exception or two, but basically, they're the same.
20:05<Ethaniel>Atom+945G, 1 GB, 10 inch screen.
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20:06<pmitros>Have you seen the Gigabyte M912?
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20:07<pmitros>The major limitation to Netbooks for me is display resolution. 1024x600 isn't enough for even basic work.
20:07<pmitros>This is the first Netbook with adequate resolution since the disastrously bad HP 2133
20:08*abrotman points at #debian-offtopic
20:09<pmitros>abrotman: Is there a page somewhere with channel rules I could read?
20:09<Ethaniel>Hmmmm, maybe we should stop then.
20:09<pmitros>Oh. Topic. NM.
20:09<abrotman>you don't have to stop . i'm just asking you to go to #debian-offtopic .. you can go on forever there :)
20:10<xoomer>I just got in an arguement with the partitioner
20:11<Ethaniel>Xoomer: What's wrong?
20:12<pmitros>abrotman: I just read and Those should mention off-topic conversation somewhere.
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20:13<abrotman>you mean the one where the topic of the channel is debian support ?
20:13<Supaplex>what's the difference between high speed and full speed usb in dmesg?
20:14<abrotman>1.1 vs 2.0 ?
20:14<pmitros>abrotman: I'm not disputing the purpose of the channel. I'm just saying it should be in the documentation.
20:15<abrotman>or you could just go to #debian-offtopic ...
20:15<pmitros>abrotman: I did.
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20:15<xoomer>oh, I fixed it... its installing the base system now.
20:15<abrotman>the other guy didn't :)
20:15<Ethaniel>Fullspeed is 12 mbit per second. Hispeed is 480 mbit per second.
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20:16<dr|z3d>Ethaniel: So what abrotman said +- :)
20:17<pmitros>abrotman: I went to debian-offtopic, stopped the conversation, and then politely pointed out that the channel documentation could be improved, given the stated purpose of the channel. A lot of support channels have perfectly accepted off-topic conversation during idle times (e.g. #linux on Undernet).
20:17<Supaplex>well ffs this cf reader is usb1.1 then. that explains the awesome slowness.
20:17<abrotman>so change it, it's a wiki
20:17<pmitros>abrotman: I would, if I knew the rules and the justification for them. I do not, which is why I went there in the first place.
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20:22<xoomer>I miss corel's version of Linux... it was the first one that I was able to use and configure.
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20:23<xoomer>me and slackware had been in arguements for a long time
20:23<pmitros>I miss WordPerfect for Linux from SDCorp, shortly before Corel took over. It was a sweet word processor.
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20:24<xoomer>I have an old version of WordPerfect I'll send it to you if you want.
20:24<xoomer>its for the commodore 64
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20:25<xoomer>get a c64 emulator and a 5 1/2 in drive and you can run it..
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20:25<pmitros>Seriously. WP7 for Linux was actually very likely the best word processor ever written.
20:25<randu>is theer any software for linux where I can put max load on CPU and or Video Crd? to test which oen causs freezing?
20:26<xoomer>so how bad did corel screw things up?
20:26<randu>one causes*
20:26<dr|z3d>randu: Try blender and rendering some advanced scenes.
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20:26<randu>dr|z3d, what about cpu load?
20:27<asteroid>or ask homer simpson :)
20:27<randu>I dont want to install blendr and create scenes just to test vcard
20:27<pmitros>Corel screwed things up pretty badly. They cut off SDCorp from making the native Unix port, and instead, made their own port. They used some Windows emulation framework to do it (I can't recall if it was Wine or something else). The Corel port was dramatically slower and less useable than the SDCorp one, but the SDCorp one died.
20:27<randu>there's got to be some tool out there
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20:27<pmitros>randu: cpuburn
20:27<xoomer>They own winzip
20:27<dr|z3d>randu: 3d rendering is *very* cpu heavy.
20:28<randu>dr|z3d, so it's CPU not video card? I am suspecting that CPU overheatng is causing cmputer to freeze not the video card
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20:29<pmitros>randu: For graphics card, I'm not sure. What CPU+GPU+MB+memory are you using?
20:30<randu>pmitros, pentium 4 3htz, Geforce 6200, not sure about ram
20:30<dr|z3d>randu: cpu for rendering, gfx card+cpu for realtime viewport manipulation.
20:30<randu>I installed cpuburn but it tells me no command was found
20:31<pmitros>randu: In my experience, the CPU is almost never to blame. Graphics card, memory, power supply, chipset, then CPU are in order of likely cause of failure. P4 was pretty powerhungry, though, so you may be right that it is overheating.
20:31<xoomer>I wonder why they killed it I'm reading Raving reviews of Corel's linux all over the place
20:32<dr|z3d>xoomer: Bottom line: It never made them enough/any money.
20:33<xoomer>true but neither did Lindows...
20:33<xoomer>or BeOS
20:33<randu>pmitros, I am running burnBX from cpuburn, cpu shows 98% to 100% and no freeze, then it must be video card eh?
20:33<pmitros>randu: Likely. NVidia drivers also s*ck b*lls.
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20:34<randu>pmitros, so do the ATI ones, so what am I supposed to get?
20:34<pmitros>randu: I like Intel :)
20:34<randu>I have AGP slot on my computer I'm limited to AGP cards
20:34<xoomer>I like PPC
20:34<pmitros>Intel makes nice drivers. The hardware is a tad slow, but what can you do?
20:35<randu>What is my choise right now If I want t get an AGP card with decent drivers?
20:35<pmitros>randu: To the best of my knowledge, all Intel cards are on-chipset, so you'd need a new motherboard.
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20:35<dr|z3d>xoomer: Nope.. and where are they now.. Nowhere. Gone, dead, buried. (and resurrected as open source Haiku in the case of Beos).
20:35<Supaplex>thank goodness drbd8 is available from a kernel module package. no more fscking m-a on a system that has no room for it anyway (embedded)
20:36<pmitros>randu: What's your budget?
20:36<randu>is there any ATI card (agp) that will work Ok on Linux?
20:36<pmitros>randu: Also, bear in mind it might be memory or power supply or chipset.
20:36<xoomer>I have a ATI Rage Pro that I'm hoping will work with Lenny
20:36<twb>Why isn't lvm being added to the initrd?
20:36<randu>pmitros, I just dont want to ditch this p4, it works fone foe eevrytig else except finding a decent graphics card
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20:37<pmitros>randu: P4 isn't worth it. How many hours a day is the machine on?
20:37<randu>yeah, could be power supply... I doubt he memorry though, it's been fine for a long time
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20:37<randu>3-4 ?
20:38<pmitros>Oh. Then maybe it is. If it was on 24/7, i'd be costing you $100+ in power bills.
20:38<randu>inclued inre nt, could care less :)
20:38<pmitros>Most P4s, you actually save money on if you upgrade to something more power-efficient. But if it's only on for 3-4 hours, it probably doesn't work out that way.
20:39<xoomer>That Reminds me...
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20:39<randu>If I weer to go with a new mobo + CPU, which chipset would be 'best" ?
20:39<xoomer>I have to put together my other computer.
20:39<pmitros>Anything Intel. Intel makes by far the best drivers. Preferably not something ultranew.
20:40<xoomer>does anyon know if there is a Distro for my Toshiba Pocket pc?
20:40<randu>pmitros, so socket 775 with a intel chipset then?
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20:40<abrotman>xoomer: debian ? :)
20:40<Supaplex>the king of my local jungle is wire apparently.
20:40<pmitros>Personally, for the types of things I do, I'd probably go for one of the Intel Nettops. Dirt cheap, ultra-low-power, and X/Linux are well supported.
20:41<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic
20:41<pmitros>A bit slow, so not great if you're a gamer or somethign.
20:41<randu>pmitros, Intel Nettops? what's that?
20:42<pmitros>abrotman: Is this considered off-topic? I'm trying to help someone find hardware that's well supported by Linux and
20:42<abrotman>should be a short conversation :)
20:42<pmitros>abrotman: There's a swarm of machines like this one:
20:43<abrotman>pmitros: wrong person ?
20:43<pmitros>My bad. s/abrotman/randu/
20:43<xoomer>Abrotman: Its a toshiba E310? is it possible that it might run?
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20:43<abrotman>xoomer: depends on the CPU/architecture
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20:43<xoomer>Must find out...
20:44<pmitros>randu: Very low power, all Intel, very small, quite cheap, but rather slow. Intel releases full drivers with source, and works well with the free software community, so I like them.
20:44<abrotman>xoomer: given how old this is .. i'd say something should run onit
20:44<randu>just last quetion, do all intel chipes work well? o should I go with 45P?
20:45<pmitros>randu: I can coninue in #debian-offtopic if you want to keep going. This is outside of bounds of on-topic, apparently.
20:45<abrotman>pmitros: nope, you're fine, i misread
20:45<xoomer>this is a Intel StrongARM SA-1110
20:45<abrotman>pmitros: just smack me next time :)
20:45<randu>pmitros, ok, I just joined
20:45<Supaplex>pmitros: anything like that with a pci-e expansion slot? specs there don't say.
20:45*abrotman wishes intel was actively selling discrete cards
20:46<stew>they're actively working on getting there, aren't they?
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20:47<abrotman>stew: i haven't heard anything in quite some time, but that was the rumor
20:48<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
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20:49<mathbr>Hi. Is there a dd available in the rescue mode of the Debian Lenny Netinst CD?
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20:52<twb>anna-install dd?
20:53<mathbr>twb: What do you mean?
20:53<blarson>mathbr: Sorry, we don't include a debian developer with every CD. It's an extra-cost option.
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20:55<mathbr>I'd like to use it to make a hardcopy of my server but at least on this computer here the Netinst CD fails to enter the rescue mode (IRQ and SATA errors). Thus I'd like to know if I can just use what I already have.
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20:56<Supaplex>mathbr: you might be better off with debian live
20:56<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. and #debian-live on OFTC (
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20:56<mathbr>So there is in fact no dd available in the rescue mode?
20:56<cisc0ninja>supaplex, does it matter that i just tried to upgrade from etch to lenny?
20:56<Supaplex>mathbr: what do you get when you cross an Elephant and a Rhino?
20:57<Supaplex>cisc0ninja: matter why, possibly?
20:57<cisc0ninja>i received errors when upgrading and it said to reboot and then try again, and when i rebooted the services started hanging
20:57<mathbr>I don't want to guess.
20:57<Supaplex>mathbr: hell if I know
20:57<cisc0ninja>i have an apache setup with drupal
20:57<cisc0ninja>and it basicly hangs on boot and doesn't go any farther
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20:58<Supaplex>cisc0ninja: what's the last line or two on the console?
20:58<cisc0ninja>i just rebooted the machine it's coming up now
20:58<cisc0ninja>well, i'm booting into single user mode again
20:58<abrotman>stew: btw .. i see you failed to get yet another position ;)
20:58<cisc0ninja>but i'll dmesg for you in a second
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20:59<stew>abrotman: i did what?
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20:59<abrotman>stew: you failed to become secretary also :)
21:00<twb>Sigh, I hate trying to fit the boot process
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21:00<twb>It won't auto-assemble the RAID1 arrays anymore, though I can manually assemble them
21:00<stew>btw, thanks to themill, judd is more tricked out
21:00<abrotman>i heard
21:00<stew>judd: kconfig CIFS --release lenny
21:00<judd>stew: Searching for 'CIFS' in lenny kernel config gives CIFS=m CIFS_WEAK_PW_HASH=y CIFS_XATTR=y CIFS_POSIX=y CIFS_EXPERIMENTAL=y CIFS_UPCALL=y CIFS_DFS_UPCALL=y.
21:00<twb>i.e. mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sd?1 works, but mdadm -A /dev/md0 doesn't.
21:00<abrotman>judd: pciid 8086:1234
21:00<judd>abrotman: [8086:1234] is '430MX - 82371MX Mobile PCI I/O IDE Xcelerator (MPIIX)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'piix' in lenny. See also
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21:01<Supaplex>judd: pciid 8086:100e
21:01<judd>Supaplex: [8086:100e] is '82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000' in lenny. See also
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21:03<cisc0ninja>yea, because i booted to single user mode it's not showing me the previous error i was receiving when booting into normal mode
21:03<mathbr>Supaplex: I just fired up Qemu to find out and yes, dd is available in the rescue mode.
21:03<cisc0ninja>i'm not finding it in the logs anyways
21:03<cisc0ninja>you previously said to try the command update rc.d correct?
21:04<cisc0ninja>it say command not available or something like that
21:04<mathbr>Question solved. Thanks and bye.
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21:06<Supaplex>cisc0ninja: which update-rc.d
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21:13<cisc0ninja>init id 1 respawning too fast : disabled for 5 mins
21:13<cisc0ninja>it does that error msg from init id 1 through 5
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21:13<cisc0ninja>and continues to do that while booting up
21:13<cisc0ninja>directly after it tries to start apache
21:13<cisc0ninja>or apache2 actually
21:14<cisc0ninja>i think i previously fixed this by booting into a rescue mode and then changing something, but i dont remember what
21:15<cisc0ninja>i think it just seems to happen when the service is broken for some reason and i think it has to do with the fact that apache is working with drupal, but you guys are the experts not me
21:15<cisc0ninja>init no more processes left in this run level
21:15<cisc0ninja>is the last thing it just said
21:15<cisc0ninja>but it loops
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21:18<Supaplex>that was so not fun.
21:18<Supaplex>!lart softlocked qemu
21:18*dpkg duct-tapes softlocked qemu to the floor and drools on him
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21:20<Supaplex>cisc0ninja: grep ^1 /etc/inittab getty I assume? sounds like your /dev/ has no tty tty[1-6] or getty isn't installed right
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21:20<Supaplex>cisc0ninja: ldd `which getty`
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21:24<cisc0ninja>1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
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21:27<cisc0ninja> => (0x000072da5e5fe000)
21:28<cisc0ninja> => /lib/ (0x000038260c1f7000)
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21:30<Supaplex>hummmmmmm after killall -9 qemu, how do I get my cursor back?
21:30<cisc0ninja>when the system boots i get a message "waiting for /dev to populate" i think the raid is going bad, but it also says can't find /dev/mem and yet i'm still able to boot into single user mode and it still bypasses those messages and continues to boot
21:31<cisc0ninja>in normal mode
21:31<Supaplex>can you ssh in?
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21:32<Tarcas>um... can't find /dev/mem sounds like RAM issues. Tried memtest?
21:32<cisc0ninja>not worried about it right now, i dont believe that is stopping the system from booting
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21:33<cisc0ninja>like i said the system bypasses those msg's and continues to attempt to boot, loading services etc...
21:33<Supaplex>Tarcas: grep /dev /proc/mounts | head -n 1
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21:33<cisc0ninja>it's just right after apache it starts freaking out giving me that error and wont do anything else
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21:34<Supaplex>cisc0ninja: if /var/log is writable, you could fireup syslog and check /var/log/syslog (or at least dmesg). did you google for the waiting for ... to populate message?
21:35<cisc0ninja>no i didnt google for that because i was unaware if that was really important, i just assumed that had to do with the raid being messed up and i would intend on fixing that after i got it to boot
21:35<cisc0ninja>yea, i'm looking at dmsg, let me try and see if syslog is started or not
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21:36*Supaplex /detaches to restart xorg. stupid cursor is mia!
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21:39<Supaplex>there we go...
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21:49<cisc0ninja>supaplex, is there something imparticular i need to be looking for?
21:49<cisc0ninja>i see some stuff, and i kinda understand what's going on, but i'm not exactly sure what i need to be looking at in the log
21:50<cisc0ninja>part of what i am showing throughout the system or at least in /etc/ is i have a service, then i have a duplicate with .dpkg-new attached to the end of it
21:51<Supaplex>cisc0ninja: based on the udev init.d script (on etch), udevsettle is waiting on the kernel
21:51<cisc0ninja>rather than replace the existing package it just added it and somehow both of them are broke in the process
21:51<cisc0ninja>i started kernel logging, is that where i need to look then?
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21:52<Supaplex>there might be something in there
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21:52<Supaplex>I haven't had your piticular issue before, so I can't really say what's wrong for sure.
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21:57<cisc0ninja>it's ok, everyone tells me my system is weird
21:57<cisc0ninja>yea, all kern.log shows me is my raid issues
21:58<cisc0ninja>sdd3 has different UUID to sdd5
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21:58<cisc0ninja>kicking non-fresh sdd from array
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21:58<Supaplex>not bah you. bah xen and networking.
21:59<cisc0ninja>yea, i'm not a big supporter of virtualization
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21:59<Supaplex>i'd use real hardware, but the thin client is so under powered, a new install could take a day :P
22:00<twb>I finally worked it out. I have to use root=/dev/mapper/x-y instead of root=/dev/x/y or root=UUID=z
22:00<Supaplex>so I've got the CF card from it in the usb2.0 reader now.
22:00<cisc0ninja>the only thing i dont like about it is the fact that people run a lot of production vm's and then their main box gets rooted so they just lost everything
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22:02<cisc0ninja>sshdPRNG is not seeded
22:02<Supaplex>dom0's never publicly accessible here.
22:02<cisc0ninja>that's good
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22:03<cisc0ninja>there are probably a million reasons idk as to why i can't start ssh in run level 1, but i don't understand what that error means, "not seeded"?
22:03<Supaplex>what's the word for word error?
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22:04<cisc0ninja> sshdPRNG is not seeded
22:05<cisc0ninja>i know why now
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22:05<cisc0ninja>it can't access /dev/random because it's not there
22:05<cisc0ninja>no offense to anyone
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22:07<cisc0ninja>i issued MAKEDEV urandom and it gave me udev active devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/
22:07<cisc0ninja>which is where all my raid array's seem to be at right now because they're jacked up
22:08*Supaplex looks at the dhcpd.conf on this box and gasps "It's 4y+ old!"
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22:25<Supaplex>wahou. yes. YES *YES* fscking networking finally werks
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22:28<twb>Supaplex: did you purge NM? ;-)
22:29<Supaplex>never used it
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22:29<twb>The number one cause of network problem! :-P
22:29<Supaplex>operator error too. :D
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22:32<kop>twb: Ummm, my favorite is having the little tab on the ethernet plug fall off.
22:33<twb>kop: what, you don't use BNC to avoid that? ;-P
22:35<Supaplex>well, he had to upgrade from sneakernet and punchcards. he finally ran out
22:35<kop>twb: That only works until somebody decides to cut off the ground on their computer's 3 prong plug so they can use a 2-wire extension cord. Then you start getting current flowing over the BNC. Much ungoodness ensues.
22:36<twb>I've never SEEN a two-wire extension cord.
22:36<twb>Maybe they're illegal here on account of being fucking dangerous
22:36<kop>Supaplex : Frankly, paper tape rocked. And I used to enjoy other folks illuminated punch card decks, with art all over the top of the deck.
22:37*Supaplex shuffles kop's deck
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22:38<debam>hi to all,can any one tell me about new debian-cd package
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22:39<debam>where to add a new package name so that it will be added in install CD
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22:41<Golfgeo>Hi all
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22:43<debam>where to add a new package name so that it will be added in install CD in debian-cd package
22:43<Golfgeo>Got a small problem with my laptop and extra crt: When I boot (lilo) and my crt is attached the primary monitor turns out to be my crt and not my laptop screen... How can I force a consol boot on my laptop screen?
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22:50<Phib3r_0ptik>hey guys, im new both to here and debian
22:50<Phib3r_0ptik>i've just installed a wireless card and installed debian squeeze onto my computer
22:50<Phib3r_0ptik>i was running lenny with a wired connection before
22:51<Phib3r_0ptik>now i can't seem to get apache working properly
22:51<Jokol>I have a problem, my dns server dont work, how I can enter alternative dns servers instead of sugguested by network?
22:51<Phib3r_0ptik>i am connected to the internet via the wireless card, so it is working fine
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22:51<Phib3r_0ptik>but i cannot ping this comp, from my other computer/s
22:51<Phib3r_0ptik>and it cannot ping them
22:51<Phib3r_0ptik>however it can access the internet and the router
22:52<Phib3r_0ptik>when i connect the wired connection directly to my laptop, i can access the apache default page
22:52<Phib3r_0ptik>but i cant when connected via wireless
22:52<Phib3r_0ptik>any suggestions?
22:52<Supaplex>Jokol: /etc/resolv.conf
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22:53<Jokol>thank you
22:53<Supaplex>Phib3r_0ptik: traceroute perhaps?
22:53<Phib3r_0ptik>on what, this computer?
22:53<Phib3r_0ptik>to the other comp?
22:53<Phib3r_0ptik>or vice versa
22:54<Supaplex>via wirless. neither pc can ping each other that way, so why would it matter?
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22:55<Phib3r_0ptik>on this comp to my other one: traceroute to (, 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
22:55<Phib3r_0ptik> 1 ( 3001.320 ms !H 3001.315 ms !H 3001.302 ms !H
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22:55<Phib3r_0ptik>on the other comp: destination host unreachable
22:55<Supaplex>one computer is wireless and the other is wired only, right?
22:55<Phib3r_0ptik>(its running windoze atm)
22:55<Phib3r_0ptik>nope, both are wireless
22:56<Phib3r_0ptik>i have a wired computer as well (to the router)
22:56<Phib3r_0ptik>but i am not using that atm
22:56<Phib3r_0ptik>but if i use that the same thing happend
22:56<Supaplex>sounds like your router isn't permitting wireless to wireless.
22:57<Phib3r_0ptik>ill try pinging the other wired comp then
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22:57<Jokol>i have a feeling that with linux my notebook is hotter (in the place where I have hdd and touchpad)
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22:59<chealer>!tell Phib3r_0ptik about enter
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23:06<peyman_t>Jokol: well linux is hot!
23:06<rebecca>where do i go to get help with my sound not working?
23:07<peyman_t>rebecca: wanna ask here?
23:08<Ouroboros>are there user settings that affect name resolution?
23:08<rebecca>ok sure, i have a dual boot on my laptop and for some reason the sound doesnt work on linux
23:08<rebecca>it worked until i upgraded and now nothing but silence
23:09<peyman_t>rebecca: did you try alsaconf?
23:09<metalqga>!alsa checklist
23:09<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
23:09<rebecca>i dont know how to pull up the terminal line
23:10<Ouroboros>rebecca: menus on top..
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23:11<rebecca>ok lemme get this down and ill try it
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23:16<metalqga>i love it when ppl leave as soon as they get what they were looking for
23:17<Ouroboros>another satisfied customer, i guess
23:17<metalqga>will be back to ask how to get root acoount :P
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23:18<Ouroboros>any chance someone here is familiar with SGE ?
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23:20<Supaplex>well yeah. what is it? :D haha.
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23:24<xoomer>ok so how do I set up my ati Rage 128 in lenny so I can actually see more than 800x600
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23:25<Ouroboros>use vesa? :P
23:26<xoomer>its a ppc port
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23:49<debam>hi to all i have created install cd using lenny,but getting error as mismatch between installer kernel and kernel avaiblae in archive
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23:52<co-nkl>any bocy
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23:53<co-nkl>i can connect my phpbb3 with my postgre8.1
23:54<co-nkl>what is the problem
23:54<co-nkl>in my debian etch
23:55<chealer>co-nkl: what is your native language?
23:55<co-nkl>can u help me>>
23:56<co-nkl>i`am from indonesian
23:56<co-nkl>help me please
23:57<Tekno>ask something
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23:58<simonrvn>!tell co-nkl -about ask
23:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 386] by debhelper
23:59<co-nkl>how to connect phpbb3 n potgresql8.1 in debian etch
23:59<co-nkl>phpbb3 cannot connect with databse server potgresql
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