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01:18<Morty>I have multiple Debian systems. I have one running Etch. It has a PATA HDD. I backed it up using partimage. I restored onto a *different* system, which uses SATA. It starts the boot, but gives me the error "waiting for root file systems".
01:19<Morty>I googled. /etc/fstab is correct. menu.lst is correct.
01:19<Morty> is correct.
01:19<jm_>define correct
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01:19<Morty>I replaced all /dev/hda with /dev/sda.
01:19<jm_>ok, but does it load a driver for your sata controller?
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01:20<simonrvn>and what about the initrd?
01:20<Morty>Not sure.
01:20<Morty>I ran update-initramfs -c -k all
01:20<Morty>Er. -u -k all.
01:20<Morty>But I had to do it from a rescue disk, while chrooted.
01:20<jm_>you can scroll back and read kernel messages to find out which drivers were loaded
01:21<Morty>I'm not completely sure which driver *should* be loaded. But I didn't see the one I expect (AHCI) scroll past.
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01:22<Morty>The restore system won't boot the rescue disk that corresponds to the old system, so I'm using a newer rescue disk.
01:22<Morty>[The old system was running Etch.]
01:23<jm_>yeah run lspci on that one and use kmuto page (/msg dpkg hcl)
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01:30<Morty>OK, it says my SATA uses the ahci driver. Which is good, 'cuz it's the one I thought from running lshw before.
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01:32<Morty>I had added ahci to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules.
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01:32<Morty>Then run update-initramfs -u -k all and rebooted.
01:32<Morty>Didn't seem to help.
01:32<Morty>[From within the chroot on the rescure disk.]
01:32<Morty>[Also had mounted /proc within the chroot.]
01:32<Morty>What am I missing?
01:33<jm_>does it load ahci sata driver?
01:33<Morty>Good question. :)
01:33<jm_>use dmesg
01:34<Morty>On the rescue, or the live boot?
01:34<Morty>On the rescue, it definitely is, because lsmod shows it, as does lshw.
01:34<Morty>On the live boot, I'm not getting far enough to run dmesg.
01:34<jm_>doesn't it give you shell?
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01:34<Morty>No. Just sits there.
01:35<Morty>Er. Do I need to be more patient?
01:35<jm_>try enabling busybox in initramfs config file and tell it to add most modules to the image
01:35<jm_>there's a timeout parameter you can specify on kernel command line
01:35<Morty>most and busybox are already there, I think.
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01:37<jm_>then it's timeout I suppose (but verify it, don't think)
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01:38<Morty>Fair enough.
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01:39<Morty>Rebooting into rescue. . .
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01:40<jm_>rootdelay=foo to sepcify timeout
01:41<jm_>gee one would hope it's easier to find that shit than to search in initramfs scripts
01:41<jm_>ahh man initramfs-tools lists it
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01:44<jm_>silly me, should have read all man pages first
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01:45<franklin_>some buddy know how install nvidia driver in debian 5.0
01:45<Morty>Yes, busybox and MOST enabled via rescue.
01:46<Morty>I gzip -dc $initramfs_file |cpio -i, and found that it did indeed have ahci.ko.
01:46<jm_>!tell franklin_ -about nvidia
01:46<jm_>franklin_: and don't ask yes/no questions
01:46<Morty>rebooted using rootdelay=5 (thanks for tip.)
01:47<jm_>yeah - new initramfs-tools include all libata/scsi/etc modules nowadays
01:47<Morty>busybox doesn't have dmesg, but I was able to /proc/modules, which showed ahci.
01:48<jm_>do you have /dev/.initramfs?
01:48<jm_>try running init there
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01:49<Morty>Still waiting for root file system.
01:49<franklin_>thanks but i have problem when i installed, x11 dont work anymore any idea why?';
01:49<jm_>check your X logfile
01:49<jm_>hmm it's waiting for root again or still? didn't delay help?
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01:49<Morty>Done waiting.
01:50<franklin_>thas happen when i install nvidia driver
01:50<Morty>Yes, it says check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline.
01:50<Morty>or mossing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev
01:50<Morty>ALERT! /dev/sda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
01:50<Morty>[I had already tried creating /dev/sda2 with mknod.]
01:50<jm_>does it have modprobe?
01:50<Morty>Already ran modprobe ahci.
01:50<jm_>try loading the module manually
01:50<Morty>Yup, done.
01:50<jm_>anything new in ls /sys/block?
01:51<jm_>franklin_: prefix lines for me with my nick if you want help -- check your X logfile
01:51<jm_>maybe ahci driver doesn't know your board or you need to disable acpi/apic
01:52<franklin_>what i need to do in x logfile
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01:52<enouf>depends on libata, or vice-versa
01:52<Morty>Rebooting with rootdelay=5 noacpi noapic
01:52<enouf>Morty: is there also a pata_marvell involved?
01:52<Morty>Same problem.
01:52<jm_>it's acpi=off IIRC
01:53<enouf>yes, that's a valid param
01:53<franklin_> some buddy play games in 3d on debian?
01:54<jm_>yes, I tried several 3d games in the past
01:54<Morty>enouf: don't think there is a pata_marvell, based on kmuto from earlier.
01:54<Morty>jm_: tried rebooting with rootdelay=5 acpi=off noapic. No go.
01:55<franklin_>and work well
01:55<jm_>Morty: but the disk works fine with rescue system, right? which kernel versions are we talking about for both?
01:56<enouf>Morty: when you ran <Morty> Then run update-initramfs -u -k are you sure you passed it the correct kernel and initrd?
01:56<Morty>jm_: the system image is stock etch 2.6.18-6-686.
01:56<jm_>Morty: how about you install something newer?
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01:56<Morty>The rescue is a *lot* more recent.
01:56<jm_>I thought it's lenny
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01:57<Morty>jm_: my goal here is to restore a backup, not to install.
01:57<franklin_>im very noob using linux you ting debian is good for me?
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01:57<Morty>jm_: no, etch.
01:57<jm_>Morty: yes, but that kernel is probably to old for this system - get 2.6.24 for etch
01:57<jm_>yes, Debian is good if you're prepared to invest some time in learning stuff
01:58<Morty>jm_: OK. . . how do I install a new kernel on a restore from an old system when I can't boot the restore?
01:58<jm_>Morty: does networking work in rescue system? can you get it to work if it doesn't?
01:58<Morty>jm_: yes, I've gotten it to work with manual ifconfig and route add.
01:58<franklin_>jm_ thanks
01:59<jm_>Morty: ok, then simply chroot into it and use apt to install 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel
01:59<Morty>Hmm. Actually, I *could* just do a simple copy of kernel from rescue. . .
01:59<jm_>franklin_: no problem
01:59<Morty>OK. . .
01:59<jm_>(mount proc and dev in there too)
02:00<franklin_>jm_ i just star it and i get debian 5.0 and i try install anvidia driver with out luck
02:00<jm_>franklin_: follow the wiki and it will work fine
02:01<jm_>dpkg told you where it is
02:01<dpkg>wish i knew, jm_
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02:02<franklin_>i did and my x server dont work after that
02:03<jm_>put your x logfile on a pastebin - you can use pastebinit or use lynx/links and
02:04<franklin_>jm_ oo
02:04<franklin_>jm_ ok
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02:08<Morty>jm_: thanks! The etchnhalf kernel did the trick.
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02:10<franklin_>jm_ where is x logfile ? lol
02:11<Morty>franklin_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or the like.
02:11<franklin_>jm_ thanks
02:11<Morty>franklin_: if you run ls -lArt /var/log, you will see your log files sorted by reverse time. Very handy, since the files you usually want are most recent.
02:12<jm_>Morty: np
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02:18<Morty>Augh. Now I don't have ethernet!
02:18<Morty>Clearly another driver issue. :(
02:18<Morty>Bloody new hardware.
02:18<stann>i need a hand
02:18<Morty>Reboot time.
02:18<jm_>franklin_: you need to update nvidia driver
02:18<jm_>Morty: no you need to edit udev rules
02:18<Morty>jm_: that would give me eth1 instead of eth0.
02:18<Morty>[I think.]
02:18<Morty>I've dealt with that problem before.
02:19<stann>whats the app in debian that show disk usage, in a pie chart ?
02:19<Morty>In this case, ifconfig -a just returns lo.
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02:19<jm_>Morty: yes, ls /sys/class/net
02:19<Morty>jm_: just lo.
02:19<jm_>stann: do you know how to search for packages?
02:19<franklin_>jm_ yea i know but after that my x server dont work and i need to reinstall cuse idont know how fixed
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02:19<jm_>Morty: is any driver loaded for it?
02:19<Morty>For lo?
02:20<Morty>I manually modprobe'd e1000 and e1000e.
02:20<jm_>franklin_: you are using nv driver, not nvidia
02:20<enouf>oh .. not the e1000e
02:20<Morty>kmuto says e1000e is right.
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02:20<stann>jm, im looking on the debian web site, and i cant nail it, the app is under administration, i think
02:20<Morty>enouf: what's wrong with e1000e?
02:20<enouf>that's not what i meant ;-)
02:20<jm_>franklin_: edit /etc/X11/xorg./conf and replace nv with nvidia
02:20<jm_>stann: apt-cache search disk usage
02:20<franklin_>jm_ no now
02:20<enouf>that's the one that can be 'bricked' - through eeprom
02:20<stann>jm, im not on debian right now
02:21<stann>i just thought maybe someone could take a look and let me know the name
02:22<enouf>Morty: i have no idea whether you should be worried or not
02:22<enouf>especially with the .24 etchnhalf .. so, your call
02:23<Morty>enouf: whoa. Thanks.
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02:25<jm_>that brick can only occur if you're using some tracing mechanism, I doubt debian kernels have that enabled
02:25<jm_>stann: there are many apps for it
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02:27<stann>jm, thanks for your help, i think i found it xdiskusage
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02:28<rohin>Hi all, is this the right channel for asking questions about building debian packages with scons?
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02:30<Morty>Yay! Used backports kernel and I have an eth1.
02:30<Morty>[Which is easily fixed.]
02:30<dondelelcaro>rohin: here or in #debian-mentors is fine
02:31<dondelelcaro>rohin: though the percentage of people who do work on packages is probably higher in #debian-mentors
02:31*Supaplex steals a cookie from YOU
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02:31<rohin>dondelelcaro: cheers
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02:39<enouf>Supaplex: just wanted to say, i think that the colored highlighting from your pciid command is awesome for users when using modinfo ;-) .. there, is where when many possible aliases appear, that can easily overwhelm :-)
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02:40<enouf>for ex; do modinfo ahci :-P
02:43<Supaplex>!pciid [0000:1111]
02:43<dpkg>grep -i `echo 0000:1111 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap
02:43<Supaplex>no artifical colors now.
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02:53<advorak>hey it's been forever since I installed debian, but, does debian block ports by default? and if so, where must I enable them (such as to unblock port 3000) ...?
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02:54<Supaplex>advorak: no
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02:56<advorak>ok great! thanks jm/supaplex :-)
02:56<advorak>That troubleshot my ruby/rails problem :-P It was binding to only ..
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03:03<Supaplex>bah. wrong cord.
03:03*Supaplex plugs irc back in ;)
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03:11<mib_zegk1b>is kde on the first of the lenny cd images?
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03:11<jm_>!tell mib_zegk1b -about cd contents
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03:16<chealer>mib_x45ksl: not on the "default" first CD, which contains gnome. it's on... KDE-CD-1
03:16<mib_x45ksl>does lenny automatically set up your ntfs partitions?
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03:40<tlacaelel_>hola boiz
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03:41<nm>hi here. I have a strange error message when I make a ps : Unknown HZ value!
03:41<nm>I googled this error
03:42<nm>and saw that this is a bug in procps
03:42<nm>but I'm on Debian Etch and procps is up to date
03:42<nm>so is it really a but or can I make something?
03:43<nm>bug*, not but
03:43<Supaplex>does ps otherwise work?
03:43<nm>yes, it works !
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03:43<Supaplex>it's cosmetic. safe to ignore.
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03:45<nm>in fact, this is the first line of the output
03:46<nm>I can't ignore it because a script that I use but didn't write myself (written in pyhton that I don't know) use the output of a ps
03:46<nm>it make the python script bugging
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03:48<Supaplex>nm: I don't know right now. I'm way too tired to recall. try a backport kernel, see if it plays different. (or upgrade to stable when you're ready)
03:49<nm>ok. I will try backport first
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03:49<Supaplex>good luck. :) ZZzzZzzz I shall go.
03:49<enouf>nm: what does 'make a ps' mean?
03:50<enouf>Unknown HZ could refer to your CONFIG_*HZ* kernel params, are you using a realtime kernel?
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03:51<enouf>and if you need some values that ps displays, and it's causing issues in your scripts, there are other ways to obtain a value
03:52<nm>enouf : when I type "ps"
03:53<nm>enouf : i'm french so excuse me if I can't speak well ;)
03:53<jm_>nm: are you using a debian kernel?
03:54<Tekno>does the uswsusp hibernate require initrd?
03:54<Tekno>or is it enough if kernel has support for resume=/dev/...
03:54<enouf>Tekno: i think so
03:54<enouf>also def needs a swap partition
03:54<Tekno>yea of course
03:55<Tekno>i'm trying to figure out why my hibernate does not work with custom kernel
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03:55<enouf>Tekno: yeah, cause i saw in someone's /etc/initramfs-tools/conf* or some file had their RESUME=/dev/sda1 or whatever
03:55<nm>jm_ : yes i'm using a debian kernel
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03:55<enouf>Tekno: cat /proc/cmdline
03:55<enouf>nm: which linux-image-version?
03:55<jm_>it does require initrd, since resume runs from initrd image
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03:56<Tekno>jm_: i compiled also WITH initrd, doesnt work
03:56<enouf>!doesn't work
03:56<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
03:56<Tekno>im maybe missing something in kernel
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03:56<Tekno>or initrd
03:57<jm_>Tekno: I am using a custom kernel and it works fine for me - does it mount and run its resume tool?
03:57<enouf>or .. you need to update-initramfs - but without more info - i'll shaddup
03:57<jm_>Tekno: how did you generate resume initrd image?
03:57<Tekno>yes it "tries" to resume but fails
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03:57<enouf>Tekno: cat /proc/cmdline
03:57<nm>enouf: uname -r -> 2.6.18-5-686
03:57<enouf>nm, i lost interest
03:57<Tekno>Im at school now so cant run commands
03:57<enouf>since i already asked and you refused to answer
03:58<enouf>so say that!
03:58<Tekno>jm_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp
03:58<enouf>nm: i asked for the pkg name
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03:58<jm_>Tekno: hmm I used a script shipped with uswsusp source code
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03:59<enouf>Tekno: not good enough - and, you;re supposed to do that on the linux-image-$(uname -r) and man update-initramfs
03:59<Tekno>jm_: well i just did sudo apt-get install uswsusp
03:59<Tekno>didnt compile it myself
03:59<Guest716>Anyone try to get a Lexmark Optra 1255 printer to work (supposed to work perfectly with linux)?
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04:00<enouf>nm: did you install a debian .deb to get that kernel? or ... did you compile debian sources?
04:00<enouf>Guest716: - also, look into CUPS
04:01<nm>enouf : 2.6.18+6etch2 (package version)
04:01<nm>enouf : I think I should update the kernel
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04:01<enouf>nm: you know Lenny has been released?
04:01<jm_>Tekno: yeah that uses dynamically linked executable, so that's why it didn't work for me
04:01<nm>enouf: yes but it is a prod server
04:02<nm>enouf: and we try not to change too much things
04:02<nm>enouf : only when we have to
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04:02<Guest716>Been there. Downloaded the ppd file and installed it. Recommends using the config program to set up the printer, but printconf doesn't see the printer and I can't use the GUI. It doesn't support blind users.
04:02<enouf>nm: well - you missed the massive -5 -> -6 security update - so you're far from that
04:03<enouf>nm: that is a "have to" situation for any production server
04:03<jm_>Guest716: you can use lpadmin to add a printer with ppd file
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04:03<enouf>and that update occured over a year ago!
04:03<nm>yes you're right. I didn't install the server myself and I just take its responsibility.
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04:04<jm_>it's odd to have such a problem with debian kernel and ps from procps package - are you sure it's ps from debian?
04:05<Guest716>Thank you. Will try that. Didn't check to see if lpadmin worked with cups.
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04:05<enouf>well.. he's not even sure if someone compiled that kernel from debian sources or not - that name of .deb i don;t know ... nm cat /proc/version
04:06<jm_>yeah, must be some custom kernel
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04:06<Tekno>enouf: do you if kernel resume is different than uswsusp? are they totally different things?
04:06<Tekno>do you know*
04:07<jm_>uswsusp calls ioctl-s to do the job
04:07<enouf>nm: looks official debian - just it needs updating
04:07<Tekno>or does the uswsusp make hibernate image compatible with kernel resume?
04:07<enouf>nm: but follow up on jm_ ;s suggest of weirdo ps pkg
04:07<Tekno>if thats the case, why it need initrd then?
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04:08<enouf>Tekno: i don't know offhand but perhaps /Documentation/uswsusp can help
04:09<enouf>files in
04:09<nm>enouf, jm_ : i'm searching
04:09<enouf>nm: dpkg -l procps
04:10<Tekno>empty? o_O
04:10<enouf>the site has been having some issues lately i noticed
04:10<enouf>it's in the kernel source though
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04:11<nm>enouf: hum, how can I be sure this is a Debian package of propc or another?
04:11<enouf>swapsusp.txt is there - as are others
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04:11<enouf>er swsusp.txt is there - as are others
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04:11<enouf>i just told you
04:11<nm>enouf: ii procps 3.2.7-3 /proc file system utilities
04:11<enouf>judd: versions procps
04:11<judd>enouf: procps -- etch: 1:3.2.7-3 lenny: 1:3.2.7-11 sid: 1:3.2.7-11 squeeze: 1:3.2.7-11
04:12<enouf>looks like etch version to me
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04:12<Tekno>enouf: but what is difference of uswsusp and swsusp ?
04:12<enouf>nm: strace ps command perhaps
04:12<enouf>no idea Tekno
04:12<enouf>u would imply user? or universal?
04:13<enouf>userland ;-)
04:13<Tekno>no, its userspace
04:13<Tekno> or userland yea
04:13<enouf>yeah, i forget about space ; userspace/kernelspace is nicer on the eyes than /kernelland :-P
04:15<nm>enouf: I will try to update the kernel and come back here if the problem is not resolved ;)
04:15<enouf>nm: just be careful - have backups - AND
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04:16<enouf>make sure your working kernel does not get removes
04:16<nm>enouf: ok. thank you ;)
04:17<enouf>nm: make copies of /boot/grub/menu.lst (mainly to study it) and /device[s].map and such - also /etc/kernel-img.conf and maybe some others
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04:19<debam>hi to all , i am getting error as kernel mismatch at installation time
04:21<debam>my d-i is using kernel 2.6.26-1-486 and same kernel is available in pool
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04:23<trinec>Good morning! Compiling a new kernel from sources while using copy oldconfig and menuconfig to include dm-crypt and the algorithms - it shouldn't make any problems with crypted lvm? in my case the screen keeps black while booting - never had before this problem? (in that way 2.6.26, 2.6.27 worked)
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04:25<trinec>Used make-kpkg --initrd binary for package
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04:25<KaiSVK>hi all, does anyone have some informations about when will be gnome 2.24 in testing ?
04:26<KaiSVK>or when will packages move in testing again ? :)
04:27<blarson>!tell KaiSVK about testing
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04:30<KaiSVK>blarson, aha, thanx, I must say though that Lenny is a great release, everything works fine, but "can't" wait for 2.24 :) thank you again
04:31<KaiSVK>anyway, it's quite dead here :) nobody is just "chatting" ? :)
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04:32<blarson>This is a debian support channel, not a chat channel.
04:32<KaiSVK>blarson, ahaa :( sorry
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04:37<jm_>KaiSVK: is it in unstable?
04:37<KaiSVK>jm_, I think it is in experimental
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04:48<Kohvihoor>is it possible to use dualscreen setup with free nvidia drivers_
04:49<jm_>very simple setups work
04:50<Kohvihoor>or, is it somehow possible to atleast start the second monitor?
04:50<enouf>xinerama, xrandr?
04:50<Kohvihoor>because now it doesn't clone it, it just says out of range
04:50<enouf>depends what you want that 2nd monitor to dispaly
04:50<enouf>set your Vert and Hor refresh rates
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04:50<enouf>!dual monitors
04:50<dpkg>For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See,, Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>
04:50<Kohvihoor>eventually it will display other users desktop
04:50<Kohvihoor>since i'm building a multiseat.
04:51<Kohvihoor>i got it to work with a ati card, using free drivers before.
04:51<jm_>you can tell it which output to use, use that and start 2 servers perhaps
04:51<Kohvihoor>but since my company's budget for building these workstation is pretty tight, it's cheaper to use nvidia card.
04:52<enouf>here's some multiseat goodness and (using Screen)
04:52<Kohvihoor>setting up multiseat is not a problem. ;)
04:53<Kohvihoor>i just need to get the second monitor to display something
04:53<enouf>right Driving a car is not a problem, so long as it's got gas
04:53<Kohvihoor>i mean, i know how to set up the multiseat.
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05:08<Tekno>does anyone have logitech with additional buttons
05:08<Tekno>could you paste your xorg.conf plz
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05:09<Tekno>thats my
05:09<Tekno>and additional buttons are not working
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05:09<jm_>logitech what?
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05:10<nijan>Hello all, I'm trying to run X, but obviously it doesn't work. In the log I found this error: rhdatomLvdsDDC unknown record type 74. I have tried to google it but got only bug reports
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05:11<pkinsbourg>Hello friends. This is my first connection on Debian e IRC. I upgraded to Debian SID latest Gnome 2.22 and the mimetypes are not functionnal. I can start icons from the Gnome Menu, but clicking on an icon in nautilus or the desktop does not work. Can this be easily fixed?
05:13<Tekno>jm_: v450
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05:14<pkinsbourg>Sorry, I could not read the last message.
05:17<nijan>nothing important pkinsbourg
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05:17<Tekno>jm_: i mean mouse of course
05:17<Tekno>forgot to mention
05:18<jm_>Tekno: I have G5, but I don't remember if extra buttons are working, I don't use them
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05:21<zed>hi people, i'm new to linux I have kernel 2.6.26-1-686
05:21<zed> but i need to have 2.6.27, how do I update it to that version?
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05:21<zed>I have debian 5
05:22<nijan>maybe apt-get dist-upgrade?
05:22<themill>!trunk kernel
05:22<dpkg>Visit for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels. Also visit #debian-kernel on for more information on these kernels. See or ask me about <kernel package>.
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06:12<marga>Hi! I use thin clients over here, and I've upgraded a test server to Lenny, to test what problems we might encounter. One problem that I don't know how to google for: the session starts as if the user had pressed shift-numlock instead of just numlock.
06:13<jm_>shift-numlock has a special meaning for X server
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06:19<marga>jm_: yes, I know, that's what I mean
06:20<marga>jm_: instead of having numlock activated, the session starts with the accessibility stuff activated. And I'm not sure how to google for a solution for that.
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06:20<jm_>marga: is this gnome or kde?
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06:21<jm_>try starting X without gnome then
06:21<marga>jm_: uhm... ok, let me try that.
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06:24<debam>jm_: i am getting error as failed to find installer ISO image..i am testing using qemu
06:24<jm_>debam: what is the exact error?
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06:25<debam>NO installer ISO images found
06:25<jm_>who says that?
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06:26<debam>jm_: as well comes a warning apt-ftparchive -c custom-cd-scripts/lenny/apt.conf generate custom-cd-scripts/lenny/boss-di.conf
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06:27<debam>jm_ : sorry not this warning
06:27<honschu>Since lenny, why do I have now 3 tmpfs mounted? I now have only the half of my ram availible. See it's: /lib/init/rw, /dev, /dev/shm.
06:28<jm_>that's how things are for a long time now
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06:28<debam>jm_:if you downloaded iso image it may have nad file name or it may be on filesystem that could not be mounted
06:28<jm_>debam: what are you trying to do?
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06:29<debam>jm_: just i created debian lenny installable image in my system...testing it
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06:30<debam>jm_:i not used
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06:31<jm_>debam: but why don't you made already available images? those work fine
06:31<jm_>why don't you use even
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06:31<IR7045>Why Debian 5.0 was not launch with KDE 4.2.0???
06:32<IR7045>It is any problem if I change to it?
06:32<jm_>Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde
06:32<Tekno>because 4.2 is far away from being stable
06:32<Bercker>i am brasilian
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06:32<blarson>!tell Bercker about br
06:32<Bercker>algum brasileiro ae?
06:33<cliffbreaker>hi everyone. I'm new to debian. Can anyone tell me how to properly install flash plugin for iceweasel? I installed it from debian-multimedia repo but it doesn't seem to work
06:34<jm_>cliffbreaker: does your browser find it?
06:34<Bercker>fuck you
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06:35<hanthana>i would like to contribute Debian l10n
06:35<cliffbreaker>jm_: I don't think so. When I go to about-plugins there is only the opensource implementation of plugin enabled
06:35<IR7045>sorry jm_
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06:35<hanthana>pls let me know how to start my language team
06:35<jm_>IR7045: there's nothing to be sorry about
06:35<hanthana>is there any specific channel for l10n
06:35<jm_>cliffbreaker: what is the name of the package you installed?
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06:35<chlue>cliffbreaker: If you have the unstable source enabled you can install ithe package flashplugin-nonfree from there. This usually works with iceweasel without a problem
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06:35<cliffbreaker>jm_: flashplayer-mozilla
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06:36<jm_>cliffbreaker: do you see have this file: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ?
06:36<cliffbreaker>chlue: no I don't have it, and not willing to. Want to have as stable system as I can. That's the reason why I smashed Ubuntu today
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06:37<cliffbreaker>jm_: yes, It's there
06:37<jm_>cliffbreaker: which browser is this?
06:37<marga>Ok, this has been hard to test due to other bugs, but basically it's a GNOME problem. The other sessions don't light up numlock at all.
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06:37<IR7045>Im noobs on debain... this is third time i try install it standalone on my computer... which programs could be recomendend to isntall?
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06:38<IR7045>I want activated compiz, what is the name of it now? beryl? compiz? fusion?
06:38<jm_>marga: you should also ask in #debian-gnome
06:38<cliffbreaker>jm_: I have trouble both with epiphany and iceweasel
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06:38<jm_>cliffbreaker: really? iceweasel should pick it up just fine from that dir - is this i386 release?
06:38<IR7045>I have aTi graphic card, and doing gflinfo say direct rendered yes... but i not isntall ati drivers, must i isntall it? ati drivers are xgl?
06:38<jm_>ati driver is called fglrx
06:39<cliffbreaker>jm_: yes it is. I always use i386
06:39<IR7045>Im jsut have Debian 5.0 stable installed
06:39<IR7045>it is supposed I msut isntall it? offical or free driver?
06:39<jm_>cliffbreaker: verify if /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ is a symlink to the right file
06:40<jm_>it's up to you to decide what you'll install
06:40<cliffbreaker>jm_: how do I do that?
06:40<jm_>cliffbreaker: ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
06:41<IR7045>I want use compiz, is the right name? and opengl games...
06:41<cliffbreaker>jm_: the output path is /etc/alternatives/
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06:42<IR7045>and also... I try isntall opera, download the deb, install with pack manager, but i not find the link... even cant open throught one terminal... ;( whas wrongs?
06:42<jm_>cliffbreaker: run ls -l on that
06:43<jm_>IR7045: dpkg -L opera, it's in /usr/bin
06:43<cliffbreaker>Jm_: the output is: /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/
06:43<IR7045>I will try later... Im in other computer... :(
06:45<jm_>cliffbreaker: swfdec, that's not from flashplayer-mozilla
06:45<cliffbreaker>jm_: I see but don't understand why it is so
06:45<jm_>cliffbreaker: update-alternatives
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06:46<charly>hi can anybody help me in installing sun fire x4440 server with ubantu
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06:47<jm_>!tell charly -about ubuntu
06:47<cliffbreaker>jm_ : well I want to go another way: I'm going to downgrade everything installed from debian-multimedia and delete this repo. Couldn't you advise me how can I install only 1 package from backports?
06:47<charly>jm: what
06:47<jm_>cliffbreaker: that won't solve your missing flash issues
06:48<jm_>cliffbreaker: the simplest way is to download it manually and install it using dpkg
06:48<charly>is there anybody to help me
06:48<cliffbreaker>jm_: but will keep my system pure:) Btw, is there in main repos everything for watching video and playing music?
06:48<jm_>cliffbreaker: no
06:49<jm_>cliffbreaker: well it depends on format of your videos etc.
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06:49<cliffbreaker>jm_: ok so I'll need debian-multimedia anyway?
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06:50<jm_>cliffbreaker: most likely yes
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06:51<aetheria>hi guys. i am an experienced debian user, but am not too familiar with what is happening for end user's at the desktop level.
06:51<aetheria>my question is: does lenny have some sort of control panel type feature for end users?
06:51<cliffbreaker>jm_: thanks, that solved my problem with flash
06:51<jm_>cliffbreaker: np
06:52<aetheria>similar to the one ubuntu has?
06:52<chlue>cliffbreaker: libdvdcss2 and w32codecs are two typical canidates from debian multimedia
06:52<aetheria>system settings console or whatever?
06:53<IR7045>which Gnome version have debain 5.0? If i already have installed KDE 3.5.1, how i change into Gnome?
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06:55<IR7045>one more noobs question, I want isntall wine, I install wine packs from officials packeages... but I only find confg icons,... how i launch main program?
06:55<IR7045>or is automatic launched when i try open windows exe file?
06:56<enouf>which wine?
06:56<enouf>try 'which wine'
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06:58<Nemoder>wine doesn't give you a windows desktop, it just lets you run windows programs
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07:00<dr|z3d>IR7045: If you have wine set as default handler for .exe files, it will launch them.
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07:01<dr|z3d>IR7045: If you want the "full" Windows experience, you might want to try installing Windows to Virtualbox, and possibly playing with "seamless mode".
07:01<cisc0ninja>what are the chances i could get someone to help with my linux mdadm raid issues?
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07:02<cisc0ninja>keeps kicking a drive from the array for some reason every time i reboot
07:03<cisc0ninja>says "has different UUID" and that it's "non-fresh"
07:03<aetheria>cisc0ninja: so maybe you should run blkid on the partition to get the correct one and use that in whatever conf file?
07:04<cisc0ninja>ok, fyi, i have multiple raid 1's
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07:05<cisc0ninja>blkid do i need any options after it?
07:05<aetheria>use blkid to get the correct UUID
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07:05<aetheria>the name of the device of course
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07:06<cisc0ninja>ok, i'll look at that
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07:07<IR7045>[dr|z3d] thanks
07:07<aetheria>my understanding is that you don't need to explicitly list them in that conf file once they're created
07:07<aetheria>they should be in mdstat
07:08<cisc0ninja>so should i just blkid > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf ?
07:08<jm_>no, man mdadm.conf
07:08<aetheria>dude read the man page
07:08<enouf>wait ! mdadm uuids are NOT blkid uuids
07:08<aetheria>and look for the mdadm documentation by its creators
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07:09<aetheria>oh. i never needed them anyways. no need to explicitly list anything in mdadm.conf
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07:09<aetheria>we're not sure what his error msg pertains to though
07:09<enouf>cisc0ninja: might like to know about /etc/default/mdadm and /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>
07:10<cisc0ninja>well, right now it's showing my devices /dev/md0-3 loaded as /dev/.static/dev/
07:10<cisc0ninja>which i dont believe is correct
07:10<enouf>pgrep udevd
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07:11<enouf>that dir/ is for udev to map devfs equivs - or it
07:11<enouf>s db
07:11<jm_>what does that mean anyway? showing my devices /dev/md0-3 loaded as /dev/.static/dev/ ?
07:12<enouf>really.. heh
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07:12<enouf>what is 'it's?
07:12<IR7045>I jsut install debian 5.0 and now I have internet, but later the computer cant have it... I want install all tools it could be right... who help me to choose... ;)
07:13<cisc0ninja>when i do mdadm --detail /dev/md0 or md1 or md2 or md3 it says "active sync /dev/.static/dev/"
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07:14<jm_>that is weird, it lists device files used to create an array for me
07:14<Nemoder>IR7045: you could download the full DVD set and add them as a source with apt-cdrom
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07:14<IR7045>I already have the 5 dvds
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07:14<cisc0ninja>that's what it previously did for me i believe, but now it's doing this stuff, and i'm not sure about how to fix it
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07:15<IR7045>I cant find the manDVD in packs, it is removed?
07:15<cisc0ninja>well, it says /dev/.static/dev/sdb1 and sdd1 for md0
07:16<cisc0ninja>well, it says /dev/.static/dev/sdb2 and sdd2 for md1
07:16<cisc0ninja>well, it says /dev/.static/dev/sdb3 and sdd3 for md2
07:16<jm_>what does your mdadm.conf file say - do you have DEVICE line?
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07:17<cisc0ninja>yea, it says DEVICE partitions
07:18<cisc0ninja>it also has definitions of existing arrays with their uuid numbers
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07:20<aetheria>cisc0ninja: maybe paste /proc/mdstat, mdadm.conf, and mdadm --query output for the problem device
07:20<jm_>partitions is pretty generic and will most likely work fine in general - try playing arround with mdadm -E for each device
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07:24<cisc0ninja>where do i need to past this info to?
07:24<debam>jm_ same image after writing on cd it is searching ISO on harddisk not on CDROM
07:24<cliffbreaker>got 1 problem - installed vlc and when try to quit it the sound remains and I have to kill the process manually to stop it playing. Can I fix it?
07:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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07:25<avu>s, stop sending me those strange private messages please
07:25<jm_>debam: why don't you use images debian provides?
07:26<debam>jm_ : i like to create it ..
07:26<jm_>debam: in that case you should know how to debug things when they don't work
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07:29<enouf>jm_: i just returned - possible cisc0ninja is in busybox?
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07:30<jm_>enouf: I doubt he'd have mdadm command available there
07:30<enouf>actually in single user (recovery) mode - only 3 services are running via default, one is udevd, the others are dhcp and init, and something
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07:31<cliffbreaker>What is the difference between 4.x releases?
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07:33<avu>cliffbreaker, bug fixes and security updates
07:33<jm_>you mean 4.0r1-r7?
07:33<enouf>cisc0ninja: are you sure those uuids listed in mdadm.conf are correct? and see my last about single user , or livecd, or how you booted?
07:34<WhiteHorse>Hi all. This is perhaps a naive question, but when a package is upgraded, is it possible to download the previous versions? I suspect that the latest version of mysql in testing is the cause of some J/connector problems, and I'd like to revert back to the previous version.
07:34<cisc0ninja>i am booted in single user mode
07:34<cliffbreaker>jm_: yes. And the main question is if I can easily update to them through aptitude dist-upgrade or I must reinstall?
07:34<cisc0ninja>i am not sure they are correct
07:35<jm_>cliffbreaker: yes, you should - aren't you using lenny?
07:35<jm_>cliffbreaker: and use aptitude safe-upgrade for that
07:36<cliffbreaker>jm_: why safe-upgrade and not dist-upgrade?
07:36<jm_>cliffbreaker: read the man page to find out
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07:37<cliffbreaker>jm_: ok
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07:45<sjwest>hi - are there is anybody here had success upgrading cyrus imap from etch to lenny ?
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08:03<jerume>I do a ping from the server "A" to the server "C", which is a virtualised guest running on the server "B".
08:03<jerume>"A" is host in another center.
08:03<jerume>I tcpdump on the server B and i see the classical icmp's paquets request & reply
08:03<jerume>But... the reply never reach the server A.
08:03<jerume>What is(are) the conclusion(s) ?
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08:29<Tekno>I've problem with mouse
08:29<Tekno>back and next buttons arent working
08:29<Tekno>what am I missing
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08:39<marcot>Good morning. How do I mark a package as not auto in aptitude?
08:40<marcot>The oposite of M
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08:41<jm_>marcot: man aptitude
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08:41<stew>marcot: 'm' (hit ? for a list of keybindings) (the manpage doesn't have them)
08:42<jm_>but it has markauto,unmarkauto commands
08:42<marcot>stew: thanks. I didn't noticed I could scroll down in aptitude's help.
08:42<marcot>jm_: I'm using the interface.
08:43<jm_>the only useful thing in there is minesweeper
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08:58<NickNick>guys is the win32-loader included on the iso?
08:58<dr|z3d>NickNick: Are you referrring to Wine?
08:59<NickNick>i am downloading debian-500-amd64-CD-1.iso can i use that with win32-loader ?
08:59<NickNick>no not wine
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08:59<s-thet>hi all
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09:00<NickNick>anyone know anything about win32-loader ?
09:00<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r7) at <installer firmware>
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09:01<s-thet>when i program a tool that creates a log file, where am i supposed to store that logfile? /var/log is accessable for root only. is there a standard log directory for processes not running with root user?
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09:01<dpkg>it has been said that syslog is the unix facility for logging the messages that programs produce.
09:03<s-thet>ok thank you
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09:05<NickNick>thankyou for your help
09:05<NickNick>i should read the manual in future haha
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09:08<barnabas>hello who is on?
09:09<barnabas>how do i make use of kismet
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09:13<Hydroxide>ubuntu: hi. you're welcome to be here, but just to let you know, this is not the place to ask for help with ubuntu.
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09:13<Hydroxide>...or that :)
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09:14<Tengu_>Hydroxide: you scary him :D
09:14<Lenhix>Hello. I'm getting bzip2 errors when I do apt-get update. I just changed my sources.list from etch to lenny. Are there problems with the security repos?
09:14<djc>cool dvd-ram 'just works'
09:14<djc>of course, an 8G USB stick would be cheaper, faster, easier to use, and smaller
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09:15<djc>ugh.. yeah.. its slow as heck
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09:15<doki>hey there...
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09:17<djc>pissing me off
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09:20<djc>ok am I gonna stay connected now pretty please with sugarcane on top
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09:20<Ganneff>djc: this channel doesnt care.
09:21<djc>Ganneff, but you know you do, deep down inside your cpu
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09:22<enouf>djc: fix your connection, or fix your client please - thanks ;-)
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09:27<mcenroe>how to play my dvb-s card on overlay mode with kafeinne
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09:28<djc>no idea
09:28<djc>try googling
09:29<mcenroe>c deja fait merci
09:29<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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09:33<mcenroe>comment désactiver les effets visuels sur xubuntu comme sur xp cleatype ?
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09:33<mcenroe>l'ecran me soule un peu
09:33<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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09:33<djc>stew, thank you, I was trying to decide if that was french or not
09:34<stew>mcenroe: for help with xubuntu in french, you should go to #ubuntu-fr on ; this channel is english only, and this channel is debian only
09:35<mcenroe>thanks guys
09:35<dr|z3d>djc: l'ecran is screen in french.
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09:36<djc>wonder how hard it would be to program dpkg to recognize common terms in various languages and automagically issue the appropriate referral
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09:45<democrite>Hi. I'm upgrading to lenny. aptitude full-upgrade removes lvm-common. There are no lvm-common in lenny+ version, last one was etch. Is lvm2 the new tool supposed to manage LVM ?
09:46<berto>democrite: yes
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10:08<EmleyMoor>I notice squeeze has begun to diverge
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10:12<Woet>how to split up a file into chunks of 1 GB or so?
10:12<avu>Woet, split(1)
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10:31<phishbwlr>c i'm trying to use this line "apt-get install java-package" to install java and get error "Couldn't find package java-package" has anyone ever got this error?
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10:31<phishbwlr>i read about editing "sources.list" as possible solution... but not sure what line to add there
10:32<dr|z3d>phishbwlr: Try apt-cache search jre
10:32<dr|z3d>You can replace jre with whatever you think more likely.
10:32<dr|z3d>As for sources, use Synaptic, perhaps. Much easier.
10:32<dpkg>rumour has it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>.
10:33<EmleyMoor>phishbwlr: sun-java is a good search if (a) you have non-free (b) you want that
10:33<dr|z3d>!tell phishbwlr about install java
10:34<azeem>EmleyMoor: not for lenny, AIUI
10:34<EmleyMoor>azeem: Yes for lenny
10:34<EmleyMoor>I have lenny - it certainly seems to be there
10:34<azeem>why would you want to install Sun Java from non-free when OpenJDK is in main?
10:35<EmleyMoor>If OpenJDk doesn't meet your requirements...
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10:35<azeem>EmleyMoor: if OpenJDK doesn't meet your requirements, you'll likely not ask here
10:35<azeem>but *shrug*
10:36<EmleyMoor>If you need the plugin and ever use a Volano chat system there is a problem using anything but sun-java
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11:02<Lenhix>What's the package for JRE in Lenny?
11:04<stew>Lenhix: there are multiple, "apt-cache showpkg java2-runtime" will list them in the "reverse provides" section
11:05<stew>Lenhix: most people want either sun-java6-jre from the non-free repository or openjdk-6-jre from the main repository
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11:07<Lenhix>Thx stew. And, btw, are there problems with (lenny/updates)? I keep getting some bzip2/gzip errors
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11:09<saivin>hi, does anyone know how to change bg in lxde?
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11:09<stew>Lenhix: hang on, i'll test here
11:10<stew>Lenhix: worksforme
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11:12<saivin>hi, does anyone know how to change background image in lxde?
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11:12<matttis>I want to do a dist-upgrade from remote. Do I have to await some problems, maybe after rebooting, so that I can't login via ssh again or something?
11:12<saivin>i don't like the default bg...
11:13<dromero>HESTOY HASTA 20
11:13<stew>dromero: english only in here, plase. and please turn off your caps-lock
11:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:17<dromero>ME VOY HA HOTRA COSA
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11:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:18<dr|z3d>This one's looking for attention, not help, Ganneff..
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11:19<d3co>hello someone help me with this!!
11:19<d3co> dhcpd3check syslog for diagnostics. failed!
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11:20<d3co>on lenny
11:20<d3co>Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3check syslog for diagnostics. failed!
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11:23<adb>have to configure the server before
11:23<Lenhix>stew: could you please pastebin your sources.list?
11:24<d3co>with apt-get
11:24<d3co> /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server force-reload
11:24<d3co>Stopping DHCP server: dhcpd3 failed!
11:24<d3co>Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3check syslog for diagnostics. failed!
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11:24<stew>Lenhix: "deb lenny main \n deb lenny/updates main"
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11:25<matttis>So, what if sudo apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt upgrade anything although it's not lenny? I wanna have lenny on that machine!
11:25<adb>d3co: edit /etc/default/dhcp too
11:25<koollman>matttis: check /etc/apt/sources.list and, if it exists, /etc/apt/preferences
11:25<stew>matttis: can you show us what you are talking about? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
11:25<koollman>matttis: and make sure you use apt-get update before
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11:27<matttis>so, although its German, you can see it works, but nothign is upgraded
11:27<stew>matttis: ok, and what makes you think something should be upgraded?
11:28<matttis>because there was a release some days ago?
11:28<d3co>adb, what configuration I'm missing? in dhcp.conf
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11:29<matttis>its still etch / debian 4 it think, and now the stable one should be lenny / 5.0
11:29<themill>matttis: it can't be (and shouldn't be) automatic. There are steps you must follow. /msg dpkg etch->lenny
11:30<Txt-file>matttis: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
11:30<matttis>well... i see it in the sources.list ...
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11:32<matttis>typing stable instead of etch or lenny in the sources.list should remove the problem permantly, am I right?
11:32<stew>matttis: show us the output of "apt-cache policy base-files libc6"
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11:33<d3co>adb, what variable i have to change on dhcp.conf
11:33<matttis>well, no it works
11:34<matttis>I changed "etch" to "lenny" in /etc/apt/sources.list
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11:35<adb>d3co: look at /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf + /etc/default/dhcp3-server , sure have to adapt to your local net
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11:35<matttis>thx for the help
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11:35<Twister>hi all
11:35<adb>d3co: ethx interface used
11:36<blubberdiblub>matttis, you should not forget to read the release notes and the installation manual. there are things that will change between etch and lenny
11:36<adb>and *
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11:37<themill>matttis: "stable" in your sources.list is not recommended. /msg dpkg stable sources.list
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11:40<matttis>Then I hope, that I'll remember how I solved this problem in 2 years...
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11:42<themill>matttis: every release comes with release notes. You don't need to remember anything other than how to read.
11:43<Twister>I am trying to set up a preseed install for etch, most things are going ok so far (got the preseed.cfg pushed into the initrd.gz) and it loads up and runs the file. However there are a few places where it wont make a selection because apparently I dont have the correct answers. Can someone direct me to a place that has all the questions (and answers) that d-i is looking for? (one example where it is wanting manual input is the choice on what partitionin
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11:52*fxiny atrope pudding-eff sucks again : /.
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11:55<oo-dragon>hey can some one help me mount JBOD? (have 2x 1TB drives setup in JBOD from my DNS-323 NAS)
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11:57<matttis>How do I find out, if my Lenny-system (upgraded this day the last time) already had Kernel 2.6 ?
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11:57<matttis>(at the moment there still running the dist-upgrade)
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11:58<fxiny>matttis: dist upgrade ? install it
11:59<matttis>And where is the log file for the dist-upgrade. There will be some error or warning it think I have to care about, am I right?
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12:00<fxiny>matttis: -s options , aptitude -s dist-upgrade with etch aptitude . full-upgrade with lenny aptitude
12:01<stew>matttis: there is /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/aptitude ; but there isn't a log like the one you are looking for
12:01<stew>matttis: 'uname -r' would tell you if you have a 2.6 kernel
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12:01<stew>matttis: and you should not be using dist-upgrade, follow the procedure in the release notes
12:01<blubberdiblub>unless you have used "script", like the installation manual suggests
12:01<fxiny>on my box i had to manually install a 2.6.26
12:02<stew>blubberdiblub: right!
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12:02<fxiny>but this is a sarge2etch box
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12:02<stew>fxiny: what do you mean?
12:03<fxiny>stew: dist-upgrade dod not pull the new lenny kernel
12:03<stew>fxiny: ok?
12:03<fxiny>stew : everything is fine yes
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12:04<fxiny>stew: i did two dist upogrades : etch base install to lenny and a working full etch tpo lenny. no porbs
12:04<stew>fxiny: ok, well, we'd recommend that most users follow the procedure in the release notes instead
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12:06<fxiny>stew: obviously i agree with you , just to say that is quite possible dist-upgrade a sarge2etch box or etch-base-install to lenny , much easier then distupgrading sarge to etch
12:06<fxiny>less problems
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12:07<stew>fxiny: i'd don't understand what most of that means like "sarge2etch box" or "etch-base-install to lenny". but the recommended procedure to upgrade from etch->lenny is near identical to sarge->etch
12:08<amjad>how do I find type of hardrive installed on the system ie ATA,SATA SCSI ?
12:08<d3co>adb, thank it is working! :)
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12:09<hocine21>hello all
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12:10<debianforlife>amjad: take the case off and look
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12:11<amjad>debianforlife, I don't want to do that. The system is in the datacenter
12:11<amjad>will dmidecode help me
12:11<fxiny>stew: this box is from a previous sarge2etch upgrade , i managed to upgrade it again to lenny . also , i replaced an old image i had on another box : an etch base-install image . both upgrades worked without problems
12:12<debianforlife>amjad: if you look at lspci you should be able to see what sort of hard drive controller it has
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12:12<debianforlife>amjad: you can also find it in lshw
12:13<fxiny>stew: but when upgrading sarge to etch i had much more problems
12:13<stew>fxiny: you'd probably have fewer if you used the well thought out and tested procedure in the release notes
12:14<blubberdiblub>amjad: blktool, hdparm, sdparm, etc. might help you identify individual drives as well
12:16<koollman>hwinfo --disk
12:16<koollman>good sum up
12:16<koollman>and, hwinfo in general.
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12:21<fxiny>dpkg you in ?
12:21<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
12:21<fxiny>so answer my /msg dpkg etch->lenny :)
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12:24<magyar_>hi, trying to backup a lenny server onto a DLT-V4 drive ( new drive and IBM cartridges) The error is:
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12:25<Astero1D>Hey guys, does this command make any sense? sh –buildpkg Debian/testing
12:26<Astero1D>I get "Unrecognized flag : –buildpkg"
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12:30<debianforlife>Astero1D, why don't you just install the driver from the debian repos? or get an nvidia... fglrx sucks anyway....
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12:31<Astero1D>debianforlife, how do I install it from debian repos?
12:31<debianforlife>install module-assistant, and do m-a a-i flgrx
12:31<debianforlife>and it will do it all for you
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12:31<magyar_>hi, trying to backup a lenny server onto a DLT-V4 drive ( new drive and IBM cartridges) The error is:
12:32<dr|z3d>!tell Astero1D about nvidia
12:32<Astero1D>debianforlife, how do I check if I already have fglr drivers installed?
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12:33<debianforlife>dpkg -l|grep local|grep ii
12:33<dpkg>debianforlife: bugger all, i dunno
12:33<debianforlife>sorry, local should be fglrx....
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12:34<debianforlife>you probably have to add contrib and non-free
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12:37<Astero1D>How do I check which video driver I'm currently using? where is th x log?
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12:38<debianforlife>yeah, it is in the log, you can also do lspci -k
12:39<debianforlife>and it will show what driver each deviec is using
12:39<dho>Astero1D: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:40<Astero1D>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep fglrx didnt show anything, so I am not using fglrx drivers, correct?
12:41<debianforlife>yeah, also if you do grep fglrx /etc/X/xorg.conf
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12:41<debianforlife>and you dont see it there it is double obvious you are not using it...
12:42<Astero1D>debianforlife, but the lspci -k has line:
12:42<Astero1D>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep fglrx
12:42<Astero1D>VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3600 Series
12:42<Astero1D> Kernel modules: fglrx
12:42<debianforlife>do you have 3D rendering?
12:43<Astero1D>debianforlife, no idea
12:43<debianforlife>load glxgears
12:44<Astero1D>debianforlife, how do I do that?
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12:44<debianforlife>i have a radeon HD 3450 and can't make fglrx work to save my life... I'm selling it and getting an nvidia...
12:44<debianforlife>open a terminal and type glxgears
12:44<debianforlife>and press enter...
12:45<Astero1D>debianforlife, Error: couldn't open display :0.0
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12:45<debianforlife>now that i think of it, a better way to tell would be glxinfo |grep -i direct
12:46<debianforlife>if it has direct rendering it will say so, if not you get a lot of output... it cant open the display? are you running X?
12:46<Astero1D>No protocol specified
12:46<Astero1D>Error: unable to open display :0.0
12:46<Astero1D>yes, running x
12:47<debianforlife>then if you are in fact using fglrx something is wrong with it... just try to install it with m-a a-i flgrx
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12:48<c36pop>hi today i set up a fresh debian lenny server and how surprising , when i typed netstat -lutnp i had almost all my demons listening on tcp6
12:48<Astero1D>it say's it's already installed
12:48<Astero1D>Version 1:8-12-4+2.6.26-13 of fglrx-kernel-2.6.26-1-686 already installed, skipping.
12:48<c36pop>can anybody explained it ?
12:48<Astero1D>I just have to "enable it" I guess?
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12:50<stuckey>Hello, I'm installing nvidia drivers the debian way. I ran the script to tell which version I need and it says "Uh oh. Your card is only supported by versions ulterior to 173, which were only packaged in experimental. Uh oh. Your card is only supported by the 71.86 legacy drivers series, which is not in Lenny."
12:50<dho>Astero1D: what driver did you define in your xorg.conf?
12:50<debianforlife>Astero1D: run aticonfig --initial -f
12:50<Astero1D>dho, I havent defined anything myself
12:51<debianforlife>taht should set up your xorg.conf file to work
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12:51<debianforlife>should, it doesn't for me, i have given up on fglrx...
12:51<Astero1D>debianforlife, nowrestart X?
12:51<debianforlife>if it doest restart, youll have to revert back to the old xorg.conf file
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12:52<Astero1D>debianforlife, ok, now how do I restart X?
12:52<Astero1D>ctl alt backspace?
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12:53<Astero1D>guess I restarted
12:53<debianforlife>did it work?
12:53<Astero1D>well, I guess it did I got X running
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12:54<Astero1D>debianforlife, what was that GL test again?
12:54<debianforlife>run glxinfo |grep -i direct and see what it says
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12:54<Astero1D>debianforlife, direct rendering: Yes
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12:54<debianforlife>so you are all set
12:55<Astero1D>now fglrx is oss or proprietary?
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12:55<debianforlife>proprietary ... which is why it doesn't work most of the time
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12:59<Astero1D>debianforlife, thanks for help
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12:59<debianforlife>you're welcome
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13:01<gdoteof>Iknow someone really wants to help me get sound working! I have it working on my ubuntu installation.
13:01<Astero1D>Is there a way to check what ips are on LAN?
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13:01<gdoteof>Astero1D: do you have access to your router?
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13:01<Astero1D>gdoteof, yes
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13:02<debianforlife>gdoteof, you don't have to have access to the router, I can't remember the command, just a sec
13:02<dr|z3d>Astero1D: You might want to look at nessus and etherape.
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13:02<dr|z3d>Useful network tools to have in your toolbox..
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13:02<gdoteof>you should be able to see it in there. log in to it and look for something like status
13:03<Astero1D>ok thanks
13:03<debianforlife>arp-scan --interface=eth0 --localnet will show you LAN IPs too
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13:03<giuseppe>hello everyone
13:03<giuseppe>may I ask a question?
13:03<Astero1D>I've sshed into my bros's computer, and want to display him "enough games, do homework message" wrning :) is there a way to do this?
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13:04<Astero1D>and then restart X o something
13:05<Astero1D>giuseppe, dont ask to ask, just ask :)
13:05<gdoteof>debianforlife, thanks that command worked for me, muchbetter than using the router
13:05<debianforlife>you get MAC addresses that way too, which is nice
13:06<giuseppe>Ok, my problem is that when I am type "make" I get this error:
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13:06<giuseppe>make -C /lib/modules/2.6.28-1-686/build SUBDIRS=/home/giuseppe/acerhdf_kmod modules make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.28-1-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. make: *** [default] Error 2
13:07<giuseppe>What Do I do wrong or do I need to fix this?
13:07<debianforlife>Astero1D, use xdialog
13:07<gdoteof>giuseppe, what are you trying to compile/install?
13:07<giuseppe>I am trying to compile an acerfan controll
13:07<giuseppe>acerfan controll
13:07<Astero1D>debianforlife, how would I do that?
13:08<giuseppe>I have an acer aspire one and without this file my fan is running at max speed all the time
13:08<debianforlife>I don't remember... that site should help though
13:08<gdoteof>apt-get xdialog
13:08<debianforlife>you might want to put an install in there...
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13:09<hacker>rpm -ivh Parallels-2.2.2222-lin.i386.rpm
13:09<hacker>error: Failed dependencies:
13:09<hacker> /bin/sh is needed by Parallels-2.2.2222-1.i386
13:09<gdoteof>if you want to install it
13:09<hacker> is needed by Parallels-2.2.2222-1.i386
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13:09<giuseppe>apt-get install build-essential
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13:10<giuseppe>apt-get install build-essential
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13:10<dr|z3d>hacker: Use pastebin in future.
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13:10<dr|z3d>!tell hacker about pastebin
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13:11<debianforlife>Astero1D, you can just do something like xmessage -print "hi" xmessage is now part of x11-utils... shows how long it has been since i last used it
13:11<giuseppe>so, no one can help me out :(?
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13:11<gdoteof>giuseppe, i am looking. can youtellme where you got your source and instructions?
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13:13<giuseppe> just with search type 3309
13:13<screenn>how can I know where is my sound card to specify that&
13:13<chealer>stuckey: hum, smells like a bug.
13:13<giuseppe>and go couple of line up
13:14<screenn>usually it was in /dev/dsp isn't it?
13:14<chealer>stuckey: you're running lenny, right?
13:14<screenn>but how can I be sure where is it now
13:14<stuckey>chealer: Yes
13:15<gdoteof>giuseppe, you are doing the aspire one fan thing. does it start with sudo aptitude install dmidecode?
13:16<chealer>stuckey: what does $ lspci -mn|awk '/"?0300"? "?(10de)|(12d2)"?/{ gsub("\"","") ; print $4 }'; output?
13:17<giuseppe>yes I am doing the fan, and if I use the first method, the fan will stop and run every 1 sec, so I have to use the second onxe because I have the 3309 firmware so that debian can recognize eveyrthing out of the bo
13:17<stuckey>chealer: 0614
13:18<giuseppe>The first method works foosr bios <= 3304
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13:20<chealer>stuckey: what chipset does your card use?
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13:21<stuckey>chealer: I don't understand
13:21<gdoteof>giuseppe, i only see the one method there. with the perl script? is this what you're looking ?
13:21<gdoteof> Iknow someone really wants to help me get sound working! I have it working on my ubuntu installation.
13:21<chealer>stuckey: what does $ lspci|grep VGA; output?
13:22<stuckey>chealer: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0614 (rev a2)
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13:22<chealer>stuckey: what does it output after running # update-pciids; as root?
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13:22<giuseppe>how to i use pastebin?
13:23<gdoteof> just go there paste something and it will give you a url
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13:23<koperton>anyone knows if there are problems with sid and silly alc861-vd intel audio card
13:23<stuckey>chealer: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 9800 GT (rev a2)
13:23<koperton>i can't get the sound
13:24<koperton> Realtek ALC861-VD
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13:24<chealer>stuckey: the script is buggy. the output you should get is "Uh oh. Your card is only supported by versions ulterior to 173, which were only packaged in experimental."
13:24<debianforlife>gdoteof: are you running etch? because in lenny that card should work out of the box
13:24<debianforlife>just run alsa-conf
13:25<giuseppe>here gdoteof
13:25<stuckey>chealer: I see... So I can't install an nvidia driver for my card the debian way?
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13:25<stuckey>chealer: while still using lenny
13:25<gdoteof>debianforlife, should! yeah.. i have ran that about 320x. i will again though just to be sure
13:25<debianforlife>gdoteof, what kernel are you running uname -a
13:26<chealer>stuckey: you can, but not by using pure lenny, no.
13:26<gdoteof>Linux debian 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 17:57:00 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
13:26<giuseppe>2.6.28-1-686 but also I have the same issue with its original kernel 2.6.26
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13:27<debianforlife>gdoteof, have you installed alsa-base?
13:27<gdoteof>yes, many times removed and reinstalled
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13:28<gdoteof>giuspe, try going to a new directory, as root, and going through those commands. do a pastebin on what happens
13:28<debianforlife>gdoteof, you could try using module assistant to install it with m-a a-i alsa
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13:28<gdoteof>i did that too =/
13:29<giuseppe>I notice that in my ubuntu box I have build under /lib/modules/kernel_version whereas I do not have it
13:29<gdoteof>debianforlife, i have done this
13:29<giuseppe>in debian
13:30<gdoteof>debianforlife, i have run this sudo module-assistant a-i alsa-source
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13:30<debianforlife>ok, same idea as what i said before
13:30<debianforlife>what exactly is failing?
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13:31<gdoteof>nothing that i can tell. i am not getting errors
13:31<gdoteof>i ever got it to find the other 4 channels which it wasn't doing by default
13:31<koperton>debianforlife: i think i have made some mistake cuz i can't get alsaconf , i just typed dpkg -S alsaconf but i can't get where is
13:31<gdoteof>but, no sound comes out
13:31<gdoteof>but i know its not the hardware, because it works fine on the same system under ubuntu
13:31<debianforlife>koperton, it is probably part of alsa-base
13:32<debianforlife>gdoteof, can you use alsamixer?
13:32<koperton>debianforlife: mm but i have it
13:32<debianforlife>by default everything is mused
13:32<gdoteof>yes, i have unmuted everything
13:33<koperton>ok like a idiot typo
13:33<debianforlife>is teh module snd-hda-intel loaded?
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13:34<gdoteof>debianforlife, pretty sure:
13:34<koperton>debianforlife: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
13:34<koperton>i mean maybe is a kernel bug?
13:35<giuseppe>gdoteof it says the same thing even with root
13:35<gdoteof>will you paste your process into pastebin so i can take a look?
13:36<screenn>I use alsa sound system
13:36<screenn>where is it in /dev/ ?
13:37<giuseppe>I notice that in my ubuntu box I have build under /lib/modules/kernel_version whereas I do not have it in debian
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13:37<giuseppe>I think may is the problem...what do you think?
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13:38<gdoteof>giuseppe, it seems like that must be the problem, but i don't see why .. just a min
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13:41<gdoteof>giuseppe, i am searching the internet and it looks like you need to install the kernel headers
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13:42<giuseppe>cool, I will try it right now.. thank you !
13:43<giuseppe>and I will let you know
13:43<gdoteof>k i will be here hoping debianforlife fixes my sound!
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13:44<debianforlife>sorry, i left for a bit
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13:45<debianforlife>gdoteof, you could try to reconfigure the kernel, maybe the driver has been mesed up dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64
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13:46<debianforlife>another tihng i have had to do in the past is manually compile and install alsa to get it working...
13:46<gdoteof>debianforlife, i have manually compiled alsa =/. it seems like there ought to be an error somewhere
13:47<gdoteof>debianforlife, will try the kernel reconfiguration. does this mean i will have to compile the kernel too?
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13:47<debianforlife>well for me, with the same sound card, it worked out of the box in 64bit lenny... so tre is obviously something wrong..
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13:47<sayaBianBian>hey lo !
13:47<debianforlife>no, it doesnt mean you'll have to recompile
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13:47<sayaBianBian>where is the french debian channel ?
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13:48<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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13:48<dr|z3d>De rien.
13:48<gdoteof>debainforlife, doesn't look like much happened ,
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13:50<Astero1D>I have to reconfigure alsa every time I reboot, what can i do about this?
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13:51<gdoteof>The command 'alsactl save' will save your mixer settings, and the command 'alsactl restore' will restore them. Put these in your boot scripts somewhere.
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13:52<gdoteof>Astero1D, or try sudo alsactl store 0
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13:52<gdoteof>Astero1d, assuming you have only one card
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13:52<Astero1D>gdoteof, let me try that
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13:53<debianforlife>gdoteof, at this point I have no idea why your sound card won't work... maybe someone on the debian forums knows... It won't be me though...
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13:54<tlacaelel>I just installed the latest release with netcd but after booting from the hard disk the screen goes blank. It won't load the operating system. Ideas?
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13:55<tlacaelel>It goes through the line-by-line boot process, but just won't do the actual gui. no cli. nothing.
13:55<gdoteof>debianforlife, thanks. yeah i have posted there with no responses for 24 hours. also on linuxquestions. ::sigh:: well it works on ubuntu so i guess thats where i will live for a while. the one thing i noticed is that i have alsa 1.0.17 on debian and 1.0.19 on ubuntu
13:56<stuckey>Does anyone know where I can find how the intel gma x4500hd us supported?
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13:57<leonardo_>Hi, found a bug on wicd package from debian squeeze
13:57<leonardo_>same version on deb file of wicd page works
13:57<Engywuck_>then file a bugreport
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13:59<rgb30>i need to sort a bunch of files. each files has a username at a specific location that is the same in each file. i want to take this group of files and process them so that each file with <user1> gets put into /<user1>, each file that contains the string <user2> gets put into /<user2> and so on. i'm wondering what utility i should use to parse the text of the each file for the username so i can create a directory for that username. each username only
13:59<rgb30> occurs once.
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13:59<Supaplex>perl =)
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14:00<gdoteof>something like mv *username1* /username1
14:00<gdoteof>oh wait
14:01<gdoteof>its not in the file name
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14:01<gdoteof>but in the file
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14:01<Supaplex>are those literal? that looks like xmlish
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14:01<Matzee>hello everyone
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14:02<Matzee>guyy, could someone please help me a little bit? i got problems with desktop-base on lenny...
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14:03<stuckey>Could someone tell me how I can find out if a particular video chipset is supported in stable? Is there a website with a list or something?
14:03<rgb30>Supaplex, gdoteof: the username is in the text of the file, but it is in the same place in each file if that makes any sense
14:04<fxiny>find grep xargs should do it
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14:05<chealer>Matzee: no without knowing how you can be helped
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14:06<Matzee>ok sorry for not being specific :)
14:06<chealer>stuckey: no. almost everything is supported
14:06<stuckey>chealer: The newest from intel... the x4500hd?
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14:07<Matzee>so. i got the following message when i try to apt-get install desktop-base
14:07<Matzee>Setting up desktop-base (5.0.3) ...
14:07<Matzee>/var/lib/dpkg/info/desktop-base.postinst: line 6: 13852 Illegal instruction update-gconf-defaults
14:08<Matzee>dpkg: error processing desktop-base (--configure):
14:08<Matzee> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 132
14:08<dpkg>matzee: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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14:09<Supaplex>Matzee: nm the bot for a min. apt-get clean then retry. this may be a hardware issue.
14:09<Matzee>ok thanks 1 sec i try it
14:09<blink>I'm having consistant issues with my lenny system after upgrading from etch... the system hangs for seconds at a time everytime I try to use tab completion or run an application; the load average spikes, cpu stays at 0... I'm wondering if there's a channel to go to about lenny specific issues or should I continue here?
14:10<rgb30>fxiny: the username will be stored in a path type string in the form of '/home/<user>'. the length of the username will be different every time. i was thinking of using a regex to find the username, but is there a way to specify something like '/home/[however_many_chars_before_the_next]/' ?
14:10<Matzee>Supaplex, i got the same message after trying with clean
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14:11<chealer>stuckey: it's supported, but probably not well. lenny's intel driver doesn't seem to support it
14:11<Matzee>and now i can't even remove it
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14:12<stuckey>chealer: How did you find this information?
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14:13<chealer>stuckey: I picked the third hit from gg:x4500HD vesa and looked at the intel manpage.
14:13<Supaplex>Matzee: I don't see anything on bts. you could debug it with strace, or even gdb, but I don't have time to walk you through it. try disabling the cache on your processor and see if that helps. (if it works, then you have defective cache). and use memtest86+ to check the ram too.
14:13<chealer>stuckey: the third hit being
14:14<Matzee>Supaplex, thanks, i think you got me to an idea :)
14:14<chealer>stuckey: ...and I found the chipset used in GMA X4500HD with wp:GMA X4500
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14:16<metalqga>cant mount vfat with normal user rw permissions
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14:17<blink>is there a specific channel for lenny upgrade support or should I ask here
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14:17<Supaplex>try #debian ;)
14:17*Supaplex is tEh starvededededed
14:17<blink>I'm having consistant issues with my lenny system after upgrading from etch... the system hangs for seconds at a time everytime I try to use tab completion or run an application; the load average spikes, cpu stays at 0... I'm wondering if there's a channel to go to about lenny specific issues or should I continue here?
14:18<Supaplex>lenny is stable. here is fine.
14:18<blink>I just need to see why the load average is spiking, that would be enough :/ vmstat shows nothing out of the ordinary
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14:19<metalqga>phh did it, ignore my previous statement
14:19<Tech-Frog>I got this really weird problem, I installed the game Chromium DSU, but when I try to play it, Google Chrome opens, what the heck?
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14:21<dr|z3d>chromium is another name for Chrome. Possibly there's a naming conflict?
14:21<dr|z3d>Tech-Frog: Try: locate chromium and see what turns up.
14:21<Supaplex>blink: I doubt it works any differently when you add a new user to test?
14:22<blink>iostat says 15% of the time is spent of IO wait, 81 on idle
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14:22<blink>Supaplex: it's an issue for all users, bash and zsh. it's also affecting php scripts on apache as it hangs, then delivers as expected after a delay
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14:24<Danger_>A few questions if that's okay, I'm using Debian Lenny x64 AMD, and I can't get virtualbox to work,
14:24<chealer>stuckey: could you check the new version of the script and tell me if it's fixed?
14:25<fxiny>for file in *; do if ( grep 'user' $file );then cp $file dest_dir/;fi;done
14:25<stuckey>chealer: where's the script at?
14:26<stuckey>chealer: works.
14:26<chealer>stuckey: thanks
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14:29<debianforlife>gdoteof, you still on? You could try download the alsa drivers. Just uncompress the file, cd to the directory, ./configure&&make&&make install and you should be all set, here is the driver
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14:38<blink>is anybody familiar with IO bottlenecks or should I take this to the forums? iostat is showing 66% iowait
14:39<dondelelcaro>blink: depends greatly on what you're doing, and what is blocking on io
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14:40<Supaplex>blink: iotop might help.
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14:40<blink>Supaplex: awesome, thanks
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14:41<blink>dondelelcaro: I'm doing nothing. any time i interact with the system there's 3-60s of latency before it finally happens
14:41<blink>from tab completion to using apache2+php to serve a web page, all cause iowait to spike
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14:42<Supaplex>happy hammering of the tab key can be hazordous to your health.
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14:45<fxiny>yeahhh from blink to blind :P
14:45<fxiny>Supaplex: :P
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14:47<blink>Supaplex: I'm talking about tab completion for hostnames, stuff that's defined in my .zshrc
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14:49<simonrvn>blink: what kernel? are you using libnss-ldap?
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14:50<blink>kjournald seems to be at 15% IO
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14:50<blink>simonrvn: Linux 2.6.26-1-686 (development) 20/02/09 _i686_
14:50<dkr>blink: I use tcsh, but zsh probably has similar feature whereby you can put the list of hostnames read from ~/.ssh/known_hosts or the like in a variable and assign that for the context sensitive tab completion of stuff like ssh. (that way no disk io needed for the tab completion)
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14:51<Le_Vert>hello :)
14:51<blink>dkr: therer shouldn't be an io anyway, the shell should have that stuff in memory after it's started
14:51<Le_Vert>I'm looking for some help to debug a weird issue
14:51<simonrvn>blink: how about the other question?
14:51<simonrvn>Le_Vert: just ask the channel
14:51<blink>checking, I don't think so
14:51<Le_Vert>I have keymap problem inside vim and screen, when running them from X
14:51<simonrvn>blink: ok
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14:51<blink>simonrvn: no, it's not installed
14:51<Le_Vert>from a real tty it works as expected
14:51<Le_Vert>outside vim or screen it works too
14:52<Le_Vert>it only affects the numerical pad
14:52<Le_Vert>ie: "*" doesn't work
14:52<simonrvn>blink: i've seen similar stuff happen. stuff in high latency response times... the load average shoots up too
14:52<simonrvn>different kernel
14:52<simonrvn>different arch even
14:52<blink>simonrvn: this only occured after the upgrade... it's similar to when a drive goes to sleep and you spend time waiting for it to spin up
14:53<simonrvn>happened last night....
14:53<blink>but in this case, it's a RAID array
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14:53<Le_Vert>okay, more tests: konsole = broken, xterm = work
14:53<simonrvn>the box is ok right now
14:53<simonrvn>Le_Vert: pick another keymap maybe
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14:53<Le_Vert>simonrvn, no it's looks like being a konsole issue
14:53<simonrvn>konsole will obey kcontrol settings
14:54<blink>at this moment, the box is running fine, I can't figure out what's causing it... sometimes it spikes after a reboot, other times not. the only time I caught it spiking, kjournald was the one doing it
14:54<Le_Vert>oh, i see
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14:54<Le_Vert>kde keymap broken
14:54<simonrvn>blink: hm
14:54<Le_Vert>but konqueror works fine, as well as konsole when I do not use vim or screen
14:54<simonrvn>kjournald is a kernel thread, that manages the ext3/ext4 journals
14:55<simonrvn>Le_Vert: oh, probably konsole doesn't deal with screen very well
14:55<blink>simonrvn: I use xfs
14:55<Le_Vert>that's really annoying
14:56<Le_Vert>I don't think I had the issue before upgrading to kde 4.2
14:56<simonrvn>blink: yeh but if there's a bug, it won't matter ;)
14:56<Le_Vert>I will just remove .kde4 and see if it works better :)
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14:56<Le_Vert>thanks anyway !
14:56<blink>simonrvn: i just had a dev hit a page on apache and apache2 and kjournald snapped up ti 99% in iotop
14:57<simonrvn>sounds fucked :(
14:57<blink>then dropped a few seconds later, and now there's no issue doing the exact same thing that caused it to happen the first time
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14:58<simonrvn>blink: something is interacting with it to do that
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15:00<blink>simonrvn: I found the same behavior described here
15:00<blink>Problem: ls and writes to disk hangs for a long time, then suddenly executes.
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15:00<blink>in fact she's using the same raid controller too
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15:01<rigormrts>i use knoppix livecd and i cant install amarok
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15:02<rigormrts>which packages must i install ?
15:02<tlacaelel>Has anyone had trouble installing i386 on an intel HP Laptop?
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15:03<simonrvn>blink: i don't
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15:06<tlacaelel>ximonrvn: if I tried to install i386 on my laptop it "should" work then? Hmm. That might not be my problem then.
15:08<geko>hi, postgresql won't run out of the (lenny) box. my last experiences (etch and before) usualy had a running instance avalieabe
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15:09<geko> after installation via apt-get. did that change?
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15:15<Astero1D>Do all HP all in one pronters work OK in linux? or only the ones in the Printers list?
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15:16<craigevil>most if not all HP all-in-one printres work just fine, sometimes you have to use the HP interface to scan but other than that they work just fine
15:16*pmitros prefers to check specific models.
15:17<pmitros>Avoids surprises
15:17<Astero1D>craigevil, even thought the model I want is not in the Gnome printers list?
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15:17<Astero1D>HP OfficeJet J6480
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15:17<craigevil>no clue about gnome but i would still say yes.
15:17<dmulholland>hey, I just installed debian lenny, what software sources do I need to add to get the more up to date version?
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15:18<pmitros>Will work fine.
15:18<Astero1D>pmitros, it's not in the list you gave me
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15:18<pmitros>I found it in the list I gave you.
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15:19<hazard2>Anyone know how to get aptitude/apt-get/dpkg install a package (and dependencies) into some arbitrary folder?
15:19<pmitros>I don't know about scanning. That's a different list.
15:19<Admin>sorry can i rebuilt kernel (add remove modules ) like in red hat linux
15:20<Astero1D>pmitros, J6480 is not in the list
15:20<dondelelcaro>Admin: yes, but there's generally no point
15:20<pmitros>Astero1d: That is, sir, because you don't know how to use a dropdown.
15:20<chealer>dmulholland: which more up to date version?
15:20<pmitros>Astero1d: "Officejet J4680 All-in-one" is quite clearly on the list
15:20<dmulholland>as in unstable or where might I get LyX 1.6... :)
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15:21<pmitros>Oh. 64.
15:21<dondelelcaro>Admin: see /topic and refrain from /msg'ing me
15:21<pmitros>My bad.
15:21<chealer>!tell dmulholland about iyhtays
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15:21<Astero1D>pmitros, so does this mean it will not be supported?
15:22<Astero1D>I'm trying to find a cheap all in one with fax :)
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15:22<chealer>dmulholland: you can get lyx 1.6 from testing
15:22<Astero1D>or should I say relatively cheaper model
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15:22<pmitros>Astero1d: It doesn't mean that. It means it might not work. Google shows other people getting it working
15:22<pmitros>astero1d: On the other hand, I prefer to buy things on lists, since they're easier to get working.
15:23<Astero1D>pmitros, gree
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15:23<Astero1D>pmitros, fax probably ahs nothing to do with OS right?
15:24<Astero1D>my main concern should be printing and scanning
15:24<pmitros>Fax, as in put in a piece of physical paper, type some digits, and have it go out? Typically no. Unless you're trying to fax from a computer.
15:25<pmitros>Astero1d: Actually, this is probably more useful:
15:25<Astero1D>pmitros, cool
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15:26<pmitros>astero1d: So it appears fully supported by the HP drivers.
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15:26<Astero1D>pmitros, the ones we were looking at previously were OSS right?
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15:27<pmitros>I believe it is free software, yes. I'll confirm
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15:29<pmitros>Correct. HPLIP is free software. Some combination of BSD, GPL, and MIT
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15:30<Astero1D>pmitros, thanks
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15:31<Astero1D>I guess HP is most trusted printer for linux, what comes on second place? brother?
15:31<pmitros>Personally, though, I'd prefer a cheap laser and a cheap scanner
15:31<pmitros>Epson is quite good.
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15:32<pmitros>I'd always gone with Epson. I *believe* they were the first to release free drivers. Generic PCL or PostScript printers are even better.
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15:32<pmitros>The Epson inkjets, however, tended to have significant problems with nozzles clogging.
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15:36<ramoonas>hi all. I have serious problem with my etch. Today iceweasel broke. It refuses to start. It says "close all other iceweasels" before starting. But there are'nt any. Reboots dont help. Any ideas appreciated
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15:36<pmitros>asteroid: You may enjoy this:
15:37<pmitros>Wow. Reboots don't help? Weird. Question: Have you tried logging in as a different user?
15:38<pmitros>My first guess is there's a lock file somewhere that needs to be deleated.
15:38<ramoonas>no. but i will try now. give me a sec.
15:38<cahoot>ramoonas: might be a stale lock file left in $HOME/.firefox/<random something>
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15:39<pmitros>astero1d: That's slightly outdated, but the information's still pretty good. Especially if you're running a stable distribution like Debian.
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15:40<pmitros>astero1d: 2008 version. Last release before it became politically incorrect for a "neutral" site to make recommendations:
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15:42<ramoonas>cahoot, pmitros: you were right, stupid me. A lock somewhere. Removing ~/.mozilla did solve the problem. Why didn't i think of that? i feel blonde :D thanx
15:44<ramoonas>by the way since i have you. Perhaps you have heard of some issues with lenny xserver i810 driver. It is driving me nuts
15:44<ramoonas>no acceleration :(
15:44<debianforlife>I'd love to get acceleration with mine too....
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15:44<pmitros>My Firefox somehow deletes stale lockfiles for me, I believe.
15:44<ramoonas>what is your graphics card?
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15:46<debianforlife>a 975GM
15:46<debianforlife>it is in my macbook
15:46<pmitros>For me, Intel always just worked, but that was in Ubuntu...
15:47<ramoonas>mine. 82865G. Does it have no acceleration only in some specific apps or in the whole environment?
15:47<debianforlife>glxinfo|grep direct says it has direct rendering... but google earth and other glx programs work just as well without it
15:47<pmitros>Are you using the i810 driver, or the Intel driver?
15:47<craigevil>xserver-xorg-video-intel should give 3d not great but 3d
15:47<pmitros>(Device section of xorg.conf
15:47<debianforlife>i use the intel driver
15:48<ramoonas>same here. Stellarium, celestia works fine, but other programs (like icedove) lags like a turtle
15:48<debianforlife>but it is the same as the i810 driver
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15:49<ramoonas>i googled for 3 days, did not find any solutions. How about you?
15:49<debianforlife>the intel driver is the same as the i810 driver, the i810 driver is actually a link to it...
15:49<debianforlife>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-01-25 15:48 /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ ->
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15:50<pmitros>The i810 driver is outdated. The intel driver is what you should be using.
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15:50<pmitros>My guess is the symlink is for backwards-compatibility with people who have xorg.conf set up to use the old one, but I don't know.
15:51<debianforlife>yes, but my point is that it doesn't matter which one you use
15:51<craigevil>ramoonas: take a look at my xorg.conf i get decent 3d, games like tuxracer, openarena, glest all play just fine>
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15:51<pmitros> #intel-gfx may be of more help too
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15:52<ramoonas>craigevil: thanx. I think i will try on my other box. It has same problems
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16:00<flexy>how can I get the udev to make mode of the path to /dev/bus/usb/002/004 to be 777? There is a usb scanner/printer/copier there, and scanimage -L can't find a device without any lesser permissions without sudo
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16:01<debianforlife>try adding yourself to the scanner group
16:01<cahoot>join scanner group
16:01<flexy>I've tried that, but the path is root.root
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16:02<flexy>only the last device is lp.scanner
16:02<debianforlife>did you log out and then back in after adding yourself?
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16:03<pioruns>Hello. How to set sources.list, to use tesing or sid repo only for one package? is that possible (i'm using stable, and wan't all other packages to use stable repo)
16:03<debianforlife>what package? mixing testing is a bad idea
16:03<flexy>I have to chmod 667 /dev/bus/usb/002 to get the device found at lesser rights
16:03<debianforlife>it is probably in backports
16:04<cahoot>flexy: is the devices usbID found in /etc/udev/ruels.d/z60-libsane*
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16:05<flexy>cahoot: no, there was not, but I added it
16:05<pioruns>i just wan't to have Wine from testing/sid. I try to use Wine-repository, but latest dev version is not working for me
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16:05<flexy>cahoot: SYSFS{idVendor}=="03f0", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1411", MODE="0777", GROUP="scanner", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes" did the trick, scanner now gets rights and ownerships right
16:06<flexy>cahoot: it's just the path to the final device, which needs 667
16:06<cahoot>shouldn't 0666 suffice?
16:06<flexy>I would think so, but no
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16:07<cahoot>0664 seems to be the general perms
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16:08<flexy>cahoot: just checked again, you were right, 0666 is enough for final device
16:09<flexy>but 0667 is required one step up at the device path
16:10<cahoot>did you restart udevd?
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16:10<flexy>no, I'm doing it manually with chmod, just checking the permissions needed to get scanimage -L to show device without sudo
16:11<gotrunks>hi all
16:11<flexy>so, this is done just to check the rights needed to get scanner showing
16:11<cahoot>since all other scanners only need 0664 I doubt you do the 'right' thing
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16:12<cahoot>and - if ownership is root.root it seems to med udev hasn't done its job
16:13<flexy>cahoot: ok, the 0664 surely is enough for the final device, when user is in scanner group, BUT the path before the final device, it's owned by root.root and needs 0??7
16:13<gotrunks>does anybody know what is the correct channel to ask about networking interfaces?
16:13<cahoot>I'd restart udev and replug the scanner and check perms flexy
16:13<flexy>cahoot: I'll do that, 2 mins... :)
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16:15<flexy>cahoot: no, scanner is not found without sudo
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16:16<cahoot>flexy: check dmesg after plugging in the scanner
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16:16<flexy>cahoot: it shows the device just fine.
16:17<cahoot>flexy: btw is this a dedicated scanner or a multipurpose device?
16:17<flexy>cahoot: scanner, printer, copier
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16:18<cahoot>flexy: so maybe it gets handled by some other udev rule?
16:18<flexy>cahoot: printer is working fine, scanner is working fine with sudo quiteinsane, but only with sudo. Or if I chmod 667 the path to final device
16:19<flexy>ls -l /dev/bus/usb/ shows: drw-rw-r-- 2 root root 120 2009-02-20 23:14 002
16:19<cahoot>grep for the usbID in /etc/udev/rules.d ?
16:19<flexy>there is the problem?
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16:19<flexy>owner root, group root? ok, I'll grep
16:20<flexy>by usbid do you mean idvendor, idproduct or some other id?
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16:21<flexy>no, nothing by that
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16:21<lobug>hi guys ... i have a problem with my NAT router since i upgraded it from etch to lenny. i have a cable modem at eth1 which requires an MTU of 576 and the LAN at eth0 uses ethernet default of 1500. ping with small packet sizes works under all conditions. I can send big packets from the LAN to the router and from the router to the i-net, but not from the LAN to the i-net. so it seems the router should do some kind of frame splitting but it do
16:22<cahoot>flexy: just grep for 1411 and see what's turned up
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16:23<flexy>cahoot: just the device line I added
16:23<cahoot>flexy: you realize the device might have insufficient support?
16:23<flexy>after which I got the ownership of the device to be lp and group scanner
16:24<cahoot>flexy: you realize the device might have insufficient support?
16:24<cahoot>flexy: since you had to manually add the id
16:24<flexy>ah, ok.
16:25<flexy>but it has worked, and it works now also, with sudo
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16:25<cahoot>flexy: I'd google the usbID
16:25<cahoot>flexy: actually you might try update-usbids
16:25<flexy>as I see it, it's the rights and the ownership of the path to final device in the /dev/bus/usb/002/004 that is the problem
16:26<flexy>because the /dev/bus/usb/002 is owned by root and group is root also, 664 is not enough
16:26<cahoot>flexy: disregard the last
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16:26<flexy>and because the /dev/bus/usb is owned by root and group is root also, 664 is not enough
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16:27<flexy>non root user can't see to the device because of the rights of the path to final device?
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16:27<flexy>am I totally wrong with this idea?
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16:28<cahoot>flexy: I still believe the root of your problem is your udev rule isn't used correctly
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16:28<flexy>if I do strace -f -ofile scanimage -L ; grep /dev/bus/usb/002/004 I get following line
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16:29<cahoot>flexy: try (as root) update-usbids
16:29<flexy>11682 open("/dev/bus/usb/002/006", O_RDWR) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
16:29<cahoot>flexy: try (as root) update-usbids and restart udev
16:29<flexy>sorry, 004 is now 006 after couple replugins of the usb cable
16:30<flexy>done that, should I replug the usb cable?
16:30<cahoot>do that and check perms
16:31<flexy>final device: crw-rw-r-- 1 lp scanner 189, 134 2009-02-20 23:30 007
16:31<flexy>one step back in the path to final device: drw-rw-r-- 2 root root 120 2009-02-20 23:30 002
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16:31<flexy>root.root with 664
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16:32<cahoot>is that a change from before?
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16:34<cahoot>sorry out of bright ideas
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16:35<lobug>can anyone here help me with my router prob?
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16:39<flexy>cahoot: chmod 777 /dev/bus/usb/ ; chmod 777 /dev/bus/usb/002/ and the device works without root priviledges...
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16:41<flexy>how can I get udev to make that automatically?
16:41<simonrvn>better would be to make a group and make it group write
16:41<simonrvn>then add at-keyboard/console users to that group
16:42<simonrvn>or use a current one, like usbdev
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16:42<flexy>770 or what ever, but to get the rights so that someone in scanner group has rights to use it
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16:43<flexy>I really hate the idea to make chmod -R 777 /dev/bus to rc.local, but that seems the only way to make things happen automatically after boot
16:45<flexy>ok, done, forget the issue.
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16:47<aetheria>Is there anything like a comprehensive comtrol center for end users?
16:47<dr|z3d>aetheria: Sure. There's gnome's control centre, for one.
16:48<aetheria>dr|z3d: i saw that, but the description indicated that that was only for gnome-related settings
16:48<dr|z3d>Whether that's comprehensive enough for you is a different matter.
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16:48<aetheria>i'm considering putting debian on the desktop of a very inexperienced user
16:48<aetheria>who knows only limited english
16:48<dr|z3d>Well, if you use Gnome, it's reasonably comprehensive. If you don't use Gnome, it's probably not what you want.
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16:49<aetheria>i guess, as long as everything works for her, it doesn't really matter. she probably wouldn't use the control center anyhow
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16:49<aetheria>my biggest worries are what happens when she connects her camera and her printer
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16:50<aetheria>i agree with you about gnome however. i have another user similar to her using it and its pretty much flawless for her!
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16:50<aetheria>seriously, she is barely literate in english at all, but uses it with almost no problems
16:51<aetheria>the hardest things are like showing them how to eject a CD/DVD via the icon, how to open a music player to listen to shoutcast...
16:51<dr|z3d>Camera and printer.. hmm.. well, they might be instantly recongnised, they might not. Really depends.
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16:52<aetheria>dr|z3d: well i guess that's where i come in as their admin friend
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16:52<cahoot>I doubt the camera should be a problem
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16:53<dr|z3d>Yeah, I see ya, phrosty. Behave yourself! :P
16:53<aetheria>i don't know if she even has a printer.
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16:54<aetheria>as long as she can connect her little canon camera and have some easy way to get the pictures off it, i think she'll be happy
16:55<dr|z3d>Chances are it'll be recognised and offer to download her pictures automatically.
16:55<aetheria>oh, the other big issue is network connections
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16:56<aetheria>i can get the device set up if need be, but she needs to be able to find/connect to wireless networks easily
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16:57<aetheria>i guess network-manager works pretty well for that
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16:58<aetheria>ok, well i'm about to go to her now and show her the virus that the scanner found and explain to her that Linux is much better...
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16:59<cahoot>hmm a missionary
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17:01<k6orj>Hello, I need help getting kwifi magager to connect to an incripted network.
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17:10<t3rra>hi all
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17:11<t3rra>guys how chance xorg.cfg for nvidia
17:11<farsight>hi all
17:11<dr|z3d>!tell t3rra about nvidia
17:11<t3rra>guys how chance xorg.cfg for nvidia?
17:11<farsight>which OS you running?
17:11<dr|z3d>t3rra: If you're new to IRC, know that repeating yourself every 15 seconds will win you no friends.
17:12<farsight>last time i did that i hunted the file down in ubuntu
17:12<farsight>and changed the resolution
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17:12<klaan>some run 2.6.28 ?
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17:13<amphi>.28.2 here
17:13<farsight>t3rra what are you hoping to change in the xorg file?
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17:13<Tekno>.28.6. here
17:13<klaan>you now if have webcam suport for kopete ?
17:14<amphi>no webcam, no kopete here ;0
17:14<farsight>kopete has webcam support. Note on an eee pc 1000 the webcam does not work in kopete. Possibly try aMSN
17:14<klaan>its work but now in my kde4.2
17:15<klaan>dont work
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17:15<linuh_>how can i view list of possible versions of gimp in apt-get?
17:15<klaan>apt-cache search gimp
17:16<farsight>i think that may be what my eee pc uses. My webcam doesn't work either. In kopete the webcam isn't even considered a device in the devices menu
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17:16<linuh_>kill me for my english!!
17:16<klaan>ya works with jasper libs
17:16<linuh_>thank you, klaan
17:18<farsight>please forgive me for my stupidity but is this IRC channel solely for debian users, or for derivatives like ubuntu too?
17:18<klaan>ubuntu is debian
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17:19<dkr>farsight: solely for debian
17:19<greek_linuxer>i use mandriva, do i have to quit from the channel?
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17:19<farsight>ok then thanks for the information. I just seem to recall hearing that ubuntu was a derivative of the originial debian OS design. Thank you to both klaan and dkr :)
17:19<dkr>solely for debian questions/help, not solely for debian users. :)
17:20<dkr>!tell farsight about ubuntu
17:20<lc0083414_>I need help configuring a wpa-psk wifi network in kde
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17:25<klaan>squeeze wil be the next version ?
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17:29<klaan>i updated my source list with squeeze mirrors
17:29<greek_linuxer>is testing still in freeze?
17:29<boris_>greek_linuxer: lol
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17:32<klaan>greek_linuxer you have x64 version of debian ?
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17:33<greek_linuxer>klaan:i don't even use debian
17:33<klaan>to bad
17:33<pmitros>What do you use?
17:33<boris_>wp mitros
17:34<klaan>Linux debian
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17:36<greek_linuxer>pmitros:what was the ctcp version for?
17:36<pmitros>Wow. Mandriva. How quaint.
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17:37<pmitros>Curiousity. When you said "i don't even use debian", I was wondering if you were a non-Debian Linux user or a Windows user (or potential troll)
17:37<pmitros>You were the former, obviously.
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17:38<klaan>debian its first
17:38<klaan>adn slack second
17:39<greek_linuxer>i have abandoned windows
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17:39<greek_linuxer>i use them only for specific projects for my university
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17:40<boris_>greek_linuxer: which univ ?
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17:40<greek_linuxer>TUC=technical university of Crete
17:41*pmitros only had one project in a decade of university schooling where Windows was required.
17:41<boris_>crete has good weed
17:42<boris__>another boris, woo!
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17:43<greek_linuxer>well the only project that was linux oriented and i had to do it in linux was writing a small kernel to solve the philosophers problem
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17:44<klaan>someone use a tv-tunner with debian ?
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17:50<greek_linuxer>pmitros:which department did you attend?
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17:50<pmitros>Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
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17:51<greek_linuxer>nice man
17:52<greek_linuxer>i' studying Electronics and computer engineering
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17:53<alec>pop wheelies
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17:56<rgb30>yeah. so #perl is dead. anyone here code?
17:56<rgb30>i want to read variables from an array so i can print them in a text string. i want to read one variable at a time. do i need to specify @array[0], @array[1], etc. or is there a way to have the referenced array incremented by one on each pass through the loop. BTW this is being used in a loop.
17:56<pmitros>Lots of us code, but mostly not in Perl, because, as you said, Perl is dead.
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17:56<rgb30>i was referring to the channel
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17:57<rgb30>but if perl is in fact dead. what has taken it's place?
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17:57<pmitros>I would say, for the most part Python, but several languages.
17:57<amphi>significant whitespace ;)
17:58<Sorcerer>I code in C.
17:58<boris_>rgb30: use foreach
17:58<pmitros>C's on the edge of complete obselence, for better or worse.
17:58<Sorcerer>pmitros, are you crazy
17:58<Sorcerer>C will never be obsolete
17:59<Sorcerer>its used by alot of people
17:59<pmitros>I mean, it will be used for a long time, in the same way as Fortran and COBOL, due to legacy code, but it's marketshare will decline, and it won't be useful for new projects.
17:59<greek_linuxer>rgb30:you mean dynamically enlarge your array?
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17:59<rgb30>greek_linuxer: no. just read from it one at a time
17:59<boris_>rgb30: man perlintro and search for foreach
17:59<greek_linuxer>use a loop then
18:00<boris_>greek_linuxer: i'm from greece too
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18:00<boris_>i study cs @
18:00<rettub>rgb30: @a = qw(1 2 3 4); foreach (@a) { print "$_\n";}
18:00<MarcN>Anyone else have problems with mt-daapd on Lenny? I can't get tangerine working either. Suggestions?
18:01<rgb30>thank you
18:01<greek_linuxer>pmitros:C is the language that has many low level commands
18:02<greek_linuxer>it will always be the best choise for writing operating systems
18:02<pmitros>greek: Sadly, the wrong set of low-level commands.
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18:03<t3rra>install nvidia drivers in debian 5.0 is impossible ?
18:03<greek_linuxer>boris:unipi is my hometown's uni
18:03<pmitros>greek: C was a great cross-platform assembly language through the 70'1, 80's, 90's, and even early 00's. The problem is that now, performance is limited by how well you manage memory, and how well you scale to multicore.
18:03<pmitros>greek: C sucks at both of those. You can't manage cache coherency with malloc, and it doesn't have the right set of primitives to write effecient multicore code.
18:04<boris_>oh, come on, you can use ada if you want pmitros, but don't come back crying if your os is so slow
18:05<pmitros>boris: You're missing the point. C, fundamentally, cannot achieve reasonable performance on systems where performance is limited by memory heirarchy and where the processors have an unknown, growing, number of cores.
18:05<goodxandros>hello all
18:05<pmitros>boris: In the past, C was verbose but fast. Now, it is verbose and slow.
18:06<t3rra>some buddy can helpme by remote with install nvidia driver
18:06<greek_linuxer>pmitros:what's the language of your choise?
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18:07<pmitros>malloc() gives no control over where memory is allocated, and you have pointers, so your runtime cannot even move it around. Good garbage collectors dramatically improve cache coherency.
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18:07<greek_linuxer>exactly,good garbage collectors
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18:08<pmitros>greek: I don't have a single language of choice. I end up using Python a lot these days, because I've been doing low-performance web stuff recently, and some numerics. I've done a fair amount of Scheme. I've coded in C longer than anything else. I hate Java, but sometimes I have no choice. I like Sun's Fortress, but it isn't mature yet.
18:08<greek_linuxer>java for example doesn't have one
18:08<goodxandros>anybody here run xandrros
18:08<pmitros>Java's GC is a POS.
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18:08<pmitros>piece of sh*t
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18:08<t3rra>best linux distrit for noobs
18:09<greek_linuxer>lol,ok agree
18:09<pmitros>Python is slow now, but I think the performance will improve. I'm cautiously optimistic about it.
18:09<goodxandros>and ive already kinda messed it up
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18:10<greek_linuxer>i don't know how to code in Python,although i have heard that' more "up-to-date" than C++
18:10<pmitros>greek: Have you ever coded in a functional programming language?
18:11<goodxandros>i cant remember how to get the permissions on my file structure for a external drive
18:11<greek_linuxer> and google for reviews
18:11<goodxandros>only did it once befor and it was confuseing
18:11<greek_linuxer>pmitros:i code in C
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18:11<greek_linuxer>C++ and Java
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18:13<greek_linuxer>and Sql
18:13<pmitros>greek: Try something functional for a while. Do your brain good.
18:13<goodxandros>well everything went wrong when i gave in and downloaded some torrents
18:14<goodxandros>i hate torrents now
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18:14<pmitros>greek: Scheme is a good place to go. It's almost pure functional, so you're unlikely to try to write structured/OO code.
18:14<boris_>greek_linuxer: you can read the sicp
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18:15<goodxandros>ty pmitros
18:15<greek_linuxer>pmitros: unfortunately i don't have time for programming and especially learning new stuff
18:16<pmitros>greek:, although the paper version is better
18:16<boris_>goodxandros: riaa sued you ?
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18:16<pmitros>greek: Why?
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18:17<greek_linuxer>i'm writing exams this period and when are finished i have to start working my thesis
18:18<pmitros>Never let your schooling interfere with your education.
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18:21<greek_linuxer>you're right but working too much on a computer makes you looking for different things to spend your free time
18:21*pmitros always kept learning, no matter how hard school and work tried to get in the way
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18:22<pmitros>greek: Then don't learn on a computer. Pick up a SICP, and read it outdoors.
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18:22<pmitros>greek: In the sun.
18:22<pmitros>greek: On the beach
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18:22*pmitros wishes his !@#$ place of living had sun and beach
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18:23<greek_linuxer>when i'm on the beach i prefer looking hot girls than reading
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18:23<pmitros>greek: If you want to more than look, that requires $$$, which requires education
18:23<lc0083414_>anyone have any luck configuring wifi networks with wpa-psk?
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18:24<themill>steffan: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
18:24<greek_linuxer>education doesn't bring money necessarily
18:25<debianforlife>lc0083414_, you can use wicd if you want a nice GUI
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18:25<steffan>lc0083414_+ you can't connect to it using debian currently?
18:25<pmitros>Of course. But it helps. A lot.
18:25<greek_linuxer>what are you doing for a living?
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18:26<pmitros>Me? I do consulting 3 days per week right now, and putz around 4 days per week. I'm trying to do a startup in part of the putzing around time.
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18:26<steffan>themill+ just double checking, the upgrade (on a server) can be done without a re-boot? (i don't have physical access to the machine).
18:27<themill>steffan: a kernel upgrade is part of the process, so a reboot is required.
18:27<greek_linuxer>where do you live?
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18:28<steffan>themill+ ok.
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18:30<greek_linuxer>are you a MIT graduate?
18:30<pmitros>Isn't everyone in Massachusetts?
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18:31<greek_linuxer>what do you mean?
18:31<pmitros>The last one was sarcasm
18:31<boris_>west coast universities are better ;)
18:31<steffan>themill: hm, ok. i was mislead in here before then.
18:31<debianforlife>college is over rated...
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18:32<pmitros>College is. Education isn't.
18:32<debianforlife>i never said education was over rated... I can teach myself just fine
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18:32<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic
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18:35<grassroots>why is xmms missing from the repository?
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18:36<themill>dpkg: tell grassroots about xmms
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18:36<grassroots>thanks themill
18:36<grassroots>themill do you have any alternatives you can recomend
18:37<themill>grassroots: I use amarok. To see what other people use, /msg dpkg popcon
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18:39<greek_linuxer>audacious for the win
18:40*Miles is installing Debian for the first time. and for server purposes no less. ;)
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18:42<grassroots>themill amarok looks pretty bloated
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18:42<themill>!bloatsmite grassroots
18:42*dpkg removes grassroots from the channel as they are obviously superfluous and no-one would even use them. (Just remember that one person's bloat is another person's useful feature.)
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18:46<grassroots>i think id rather use mp3blaster then some kde bloat festival app
18:47<path>or just mpg321
18:47<Miles>any recommendations for a first-time installer of Deb?
18:48<Miles>planning on using the CPU its being installed on as a server.
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18:48<Miles>Apache, SQL, FTP, and local network file sharing.
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18:49<Miles>using the minimal CD installer on an always-on inet connection.
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18:52<blarson>win 5
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18:55<tcsetattr>since upgrading to lenny my X server is unhappy with xkb. any attempt to use xkbset causes it to dump some errors about xkbcomp failing. what's going on?
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18:56<hamid>is there any body there
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18:58<path>tcsetattr, you could run gdb &
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18:59<path>its meaningless what you've said
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19:00<tcsetattr>gdb on which? I've already grabbed a copy of the data being fed to xkbcomp. gdb'ing my way through the X server to find where it came from might work. but it would be hard. so I hope someone's seen this before.
19:01<tcsetattr>if you didn't know that the X server invokes xkbcomp and feeds it stuff through a pipe... then what I said wouldn't make sense. but if you didn't know that you probably can't help me anyway.
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19:03<path>it would be hard but thats the point, right? :)
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19:04<t3rra>can i update kde 3.5 to 4.1 in debian and how?
19:05<tcsetattr>X server is about the worst thing to gdb. not just because it's a huge amount of code to try to understand, but you can easily get into a deadlock situation where it's stopped and the keyboard isn't usable
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19:09<tcsetattr>ah, Bug#480021 appears to be identical to my problem.
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19:11<recognizer>hi everyone, I have a problem with my mouse, I can't configure, I have testing and the mouse is ps2, any suggest? thanks
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19:13<tcsetattr>try to debug the X server myself or try to motivate the maintainer to work on Bug#480021... which is more futile
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19:32<MarcN>Anyone using DAAP to share music on your lan? I'm having problems with mt-daapd and tangerine
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19:40<asteroid>doesn't look to be a viable surving option to me, but i might be wrong
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19:42<MarcN>asteroid: funny thing is mt-daapd works just fine on my ubuntu/intrepid laptop, but really wanted to use the debian mt-daapd on my debian/lenny server... Install fails.
19:42<MarcN>going to build mt-daapd from source (after installing build-essentials -- hey it is a server)
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19:42<pmitros>"The candle that burns the brightest burns the shortest"
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19:46<gata>MarcN; hi. nu to this forum. needs some advice. perl or shell scripting which is better for a newbie?
19:47<MarcN>gata: gotta run out on an errand. back later
19:47<gata>ok, thanx
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19:48<asteroid>learning bash is a good idea, if you are talented try sed & awk
19:49<blunted>how come when i goto a site with flash it like doesn't show up
19:49<blunted>its liek a giant gray play button
19:49<asteroid>perl should be a wiffy for you after that :)
19:49<blunted>like youtube
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19:49<asteroid>try ctrl+r
19:50<gata>asteroid; thanx, i appreciate. any idea bout books to start me up?
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19:51<asteroid>o'reilly has some good books
19:51<gata>ok, will try to get some from ebay then. thanx asteroid.
19:52<asteroid>good luck and success to you
19:53<pmitros>gata: I'd go for Python, actually.
19:53<pmitros>gata: Some shell script is useful too.
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19:53<pmitros>gata: Perl is slowly on the way out.
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19:57<gata>pmtros: then i will just go for shell scripting then. startng with the basics
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19:59<randu>I just bought an HP all in one printer and I'm trying to figure out whether it's not functioning properly or I got it all wrong? What does "two sided" printer mean? Will it automatically copy both sides of given paper and print it on both sies of a blank paper?
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20:01<blarson>randu: two-sided means that it can print to both sides of a single page on request. It may not be able to do it for copies without feeding the page back in.
20:02<randu>blarson, so duplex printer is diferent rom two-sided right?
20:03<blarson>randu: No. Just a different name for the uneducated.
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20:04<randu>blarson, how would I find the printer that will autocopy both sides and print n both sides?
20:04<randu>is there a 'feature" out there for that?
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20:04<debianforlife>depends how much you want to spend
20:04<debianforlife>of course it exists...
20:05<randu>is it possible uner 150$?
20:05<debianforlife>i'll go out on a limb and say no, well, maybe on ebay or something
20:05<randu>I see
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20:06<pmitros>$150, almost certainly not.
20:06<randu>so I am correct to understand that I sould not expct a "duplex" or "two-sided" printer to automatically copy and print both sides?
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20:07<pmitros>Duplex, certainly. Never heard "two-sided" before, but I would hope so.
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20:07<randu>pmitros, certainly will NOT right?
20:07<debianforlife>most good photo copiers do double-sided copying
20:08<pmitros>"Duplex" means prints on both sides without having to do any work
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20:08<randu>how do I look for the featuer for both page scanning+printing at same time?
20:08<pmitros>It costs a lot more than $150 on all printers I've seen
20:08<randu>is there a ame for it?
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20:09<pmitros>I've never seen doing both at once listed on features. I doubt many can
20:09<pmitros>But I could be wrong
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20:09<randu>pmitros, I just bought a duplx one for 99$ hp J6480
20:09<debianforlife>get a photo copier...
20:09<pmitros>Wow. Then prices have fallen
20:09<debianforlife>they do both boths...
20:10<randu>debianforlife, I got an all in one
20:10<asteroid>with or without a linux driver?
20:10<pmitros>Yeah. You're right. It is duplex.
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20:10<pmitros>Wow. How technology gets cheaper.
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20:11<randu>debianforlife, do you know what "both both feature " i called?
20:11<randu>so ic an look for it
20:12<debianforlife>no idea... on the copier I just press "double-sided" and it does it for me
20:12<pmitros>Why inkjet?
20:13<gata>pmitros, asteroid, thanxs once more. gotta run.
20:13<randu>debhelper, it cpies both sides and prints without you feeding the other side of the page back in?
20:13<randu>(I eman the original cpy)
20:13<asteroid>ciao gata
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20:13<randu>pmitros, dont know, why not inkjet?
20:14<pmitros>Insane per-page costs if you print a lot. Ink dries out if you print not a lot, sometimes clogging the heads. .
20:14<pmitros>I misunderstood your both-both question.
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20:14<pmitros>You want "duplex copy" or "duplex scanning" and "duplex printing"
20:15<pmitros>Laser is also faster.
20:15<snogglethorpe>pmitros: are there any cheap lasers these days?
20:15<debianforlife>samsung ML-2010 is cheap
20:15<debianforlife>$70 or something
20:15<pmitros>snogglethorpe: I bought a color laser for $100, on sale. Typical price is $150 for a color laser or so.
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20:16<randu>oh so it's duplex copy + duplexprint
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20:16<snogglethorpe>pmitros: sounds pretty good ... (how on earth can they make a profit at prices like that...? i thought laser printers were fairly complicated beasts...)
20:16<debianforlife>they make the printers cheap and charge a fortune for the cartridges
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20:17<pmitros>That works better for inkjets than for lasers. Laser cartridges last a while, typically. I also buy non-Samsung ones, which aren't too bad.
20:17<randu>how much are laser cartridgs compared to inkjet?
20:18<snogglethorpe>so it's one of these things where a new cartridge costs 70% of the pinter cost? :-)
20:18<asteroid>the price is in the pudding :P
20:18<debianforlife>randu, it is something like 4x the price for a laser cartridge for me, but it lasts 10x as long
20:19<debianforlife>in the long run laser printers are WAY better
20:19<randu>ok, cool
20:19<snogglethorpe>mmmm... pudding....
20:20<randu>thanks for all the advice guys
20:20<randu>got to quit. adios
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20:21<snogglethorpe>i take it all printers mentioned here are debian-compatible btw ... :-)
20:21<Hazelesque>Hi there, the init script for nfdump seems to be broken
20:21<Hazelesque>it returns false on "start" when VERBOSE=no
20:21<snogglethorpe>(at my work, there are printers which I cannot for the life of me get to work with anything but windows)
20:21<pmitros>snoggle: I believe so, yes.
20:21<Hazelesque>ie, it does
20:21<Hazelesque>[ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && log_end_msg 0 ;;
20:21<Hazelesque>which "fails" when VERBOSE == no
20:22<MarcN>fwiw, mt-daapd builds/runs from source just fine. Too bad the lenny package is broken.
20:22<debianforlife>snogglethorpe, as long as you use lenny the ML2010 works fine
20:22<MarcN>snogglethorpe: what kind of printers?
20:22<Hazelesque>and, thus, since the init script "fails" when starting (even when "nfcapd_start" is set to "no" in the defaults file), the post-inst script for the nfdump package fails
20:23<pmitros>Is there a way to check what the maximum external resolution my laptop can drive single/dualhead before buying a monitor?
20:23<MarcN>snogglethorpe: I'm a bit biased to hp printers. Been years since they were a problem.
20:23<Hazelesque>which means I get " subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
20:23<Hazelesque>which is annoying
20:23<snogglethorpe>MarcN: just reading soem online reviews... the "HP LaserJet 1200" seems well liked
20:23<debianforlife>pmitros, what graphic card is in your laptop?
20:24<pmitros>HP printers are reasonable. The top-feeder lasers have had significant QC problems on-and-off for a while.
20:24<snogglethorpe>(what on earth does "SOHO user" mean?)
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20:24<MarcN>snogglethorpe: Small Office/Home Office
20:24<pmitros>debian: This one has an NVidia of some sort. lspci says "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go] (rev a2)"
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20:25<MarcN>snogglethorpe: did you see the hp printer support in CUPs? Pretty extensive.
20:25*Hazelesque tires of this, and replaces nfdump's postinst script with "#!/bin/true" and moves on with life
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20:26<simonrvn>Hazelesque: file a bug too
20:27<snogglethorpe>MarcN: well didn't really try (my only cups experience is with networked printers, where cups tends to do pretty badly)
20:27<pmitros>debian: Any clue how to find out? I wouldn't mind finding out for my desktop too, actually.
20:27<debianforlife>I believe all nvidia cards before the 8800 or something support max of 4096x4096
20:27<debianforlife>both screens added together
20:28<MarcN>snogglethorpe: cups works well for me with networked printers at work -- all large hp networked printers.
20:28<debianforlife>so it is generally better to put external screens under or above the internal one
20:28<debianforlife>the quadro cards support max res on all screens
20:29<pmitros>Even the el-cheapo shared memory ones?
20:30<debianforlife>not sure about that one, probably, but i'm not completely sure
20:30<pmitros>There's no way to ask X?
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20:31*pmitros is contemplating buying a 23" 2048x1152 display
20:32<debianforlife>Niceness.... it might work if you disable your laptop's screen...
20:32*pmitros wants both heads
20:33<snogglethorpe>MarcN: if your printer operates generically, it seems ok -- lots of old PS printers at work are fine -- but some printers, while you can "connect" to them using the printer protocol port, don't print anything sensible; cups tries to send them postscript, but they simply print the postscript source!
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20:33<Hazelesque>pfft, cups ;)
20:33*Hazelesque uses netcat to print
20:34<pmitros>It's $200 new, and $170 refurbished.
20:34<MarcN>snogglethorpe: I'm just saying hp printers usually have drivers for cups.
20:35<snogglethorpe>MarcN: well, good to know anyway; I wish I had more influence over what they bought at my work place!
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20:35<debianforlife>pmitros, according to this, no
20:35<snogglethorpe>(recently they bought hundreds of usb memory sticks -- all of which only work with custom windows drivers...)
20:36<MarcN>snogglethorpe: my place of work *is* hp, pretty good guess what we use.
20:36<snogglethorpe>MarcN: lol
20:36<pmitros>Oh well.
20:36<debianforlife>i have a quadro FX1300 in my computer , you can buy it for me ;P
20:38<Wyzard>snogglethorpe: "encrypted" USB drives perhaps?
20:38<snogglethorpe>Wyzard: yup
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20:38<Wyzard>snogglethorpe: Some of those have been found to be pretty weak
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20:39<snogglethorpe>Wyzard: i don't doubt it; they seem pretty cheezy
20:39<debianforlife>i have read many articles on slashdot about how easy they are to hack
20:40*blarson is considering buying a refurbished printer as a source of ink cartriges, it's cheaper than the ink it comes with. And epson claims to included full ink cartriges, unlike hp and some other vendors.
20:40<pmitros>blarson: Why not just buy third party ink cartridges?
20:40<debianforlife>you can get refill kits for some printers
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20:42<blarson>pmitros: I had a printer die after using 3rd-party cartriges. Worked for a while, but I think the ink dried out and jammed the print head.
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20:43<debianforlife>a lot of printers now, especially HP have the print head in the cartridge. which makes the expensive and hard to get 3rd party
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20:56<Knorrie>207 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
20:56<Knorrie>\o/ squeeze+
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20:58<iykrichie>hello all
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20:59<iykrichie>hello evry one
20:59<Knorrie>hi iykrichie
21:00<iykrichie>i am feeling this..
21:01<iykrichie>are u on ubuntu linux @knorrie
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21:01<Knorrie>nope, this is #debian, not #ubuntu
21:02<rgb30>ok. so this didn't work for me. at all.
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21:02<rgb30>and i know this isn't #bash, but i cant join that chan right now so meh
21:02<rgb30>if anyone understands that lemme know
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21:03<Knorrie>rgb30: what do you want to accomplish running that line of code?
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21:04<Knorrie>you got a dir with files that have names like urls?
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21:04<tcsetattr>first you used 'ls|sort' where you probably meant `ls|sort`
21:04<avu>well, that can't really work, can it?
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21:04<avu>since slashes aren't allowed in filenames
21:05<tcsetattr>but the |sort is pretty much irrelevant since ls sorts its output already.
21:05<avu>also, don't use ls for that
21:05<avu>just use globbing
21:05<tcsetattr>then you set a variable called R and didn't use it.
21:05<Knorrie>for i in *
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21:05<tcsetattr>well, lots of problems.
21:06<rgb30>i have several files with urls in them. for each file i want to create a new folder named after the original file and use wget -i <filename> to download the urls in each file to the directory named after the input file.
21:06<rgb30>well, it would have to be more like 'wget -i <input_file> -O <output dir>'
21:06<Knorrie>files with urls in them... so not in the name but in the content of the file?
21:06<rgb30>or something
21:07<tcsetattr>meanwhile... my latest problem is that apt-file has stopped working. it says it Can't get
21:07<rgb30>yes. a list of urls
21:07<rgb30>wget accepts a text file with a list of urls for input with the -i option
21:07<avu>for file in *; do folder="${file}_folder"; mkdir "$folder"; cd "$folder"; wget -i "../$file"; cd ..; done
21:07<avu>something like that
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21:07<tcsetattr>oh yeah and stop calling directories "folders".
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21:08<avu>tcsetattr, why?
21:08<tcsetattr>because it's not the correct term, isn't that enough?
21:08<avu>"correct term"?
21:08<avu>there's no officially accepted dictionary of "correct terms" in CS
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21:10<tcsetattr>try the system man pages if you want to see the correct terms for basic OS concepts. Or the POSIX standard. I doubt you'll find "folder" anywhere except in documents written by outsiders who haven't assimilated into the *nix culture.
21:11<avu>that's hardly an argument against using the term.
21:11<rgb30>avu: looks like that worked
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21:11<avu>you're right that in the UNIX "culture", it isn't as common
21:12<avu>but everyone here understood what he meant and most modern operating systems use the term in some capacity, so it's hardly "not correct" as you claimed
21:12<avu>anyway, EOD
21:13<tcsetattr>it's *wrong* in unix culture. Our directories are the direct descendants of Thompson and Ritchie's directories. They said "directory", not "folder".
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21:13<avu>well, you clearly don't understand how language works then :)
21:14<avu>I bet you're also one of the people telling everyone using the term "hacker" for someone who breaks into computers that they're wrong
21:14<tcsetattr>No source with any authority in unix has defined "folder" as a synonym for "directory". That makes it sloppy usage
21:14<tcsetattr>avu, no I mostly harp on the redefinition of "kilobyte", but let's not do that one now :)
21:15<tcsetattr>any ideas on the apt-file update problem?
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21:15<Knorrie>tcsetattr: first do a apt-get update?
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21:16<tcsetattr>let me make this simpler... does anyone have any evidence that apt-file in lenny actually works, ever? (especially if you have a line in sources.list)
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21:18<Knorrie># apt-file update
21:18<Knorrie>Can't get
21:18<blarson>folders are things to store punch-cards in, while spindling and mutilating them.
21:18<Knorrie>it gives a 404
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21:19<avu>apt-file works fine. but yes, the security archive doesn't seem to have a Contents file
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21:19*blarson wonders if anyone here is old enough to understand that remark.
21:19<Knorrie>blarson: my dad is
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21:20<avu>that just means that you it does not work at all however
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21:20<tcsetattr>so apt-file thinks security should have a Contents file, but it doesn't. much like Bug#479585 in which the same problem was seen with experimental.
21:20<avu>just that you won't find stuff from that repository
21:20<avu>blarson, that has nothing to do with being old enough
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21:21<avu>everyone has/had a CS tutor that likes bringing that stuff up again and again :)
21:23*blarson didn't. But I was an EE major.
21:23<tcsetattr>oh! so it actually succeeded in downloading the other Contents files, and it's ready to work? "Can't get..." looked like a fatal error to me. I just assumed it had given up without downloading anything.
21:24<avu>tcsetattr, it's just telling you that it couldn't get one of the file it would have liked to download :)
21:24<avu>tcsetattr, run apt-file -v update to get the positive news too :)
21:26<tcsetattr>all I saw was a long period of silence and then an error message (which didn't say "404 not found", just the stupid vague "Can't get")... felt like a connection timeout
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21:31<rgb30>any way to search a whole directory for files that contain matching lines?
21:31<Knorrie>grep foo dir/ -R
21:32<rgb30>and the string is unknown
21:32<Knorrie>match to what then
21:32<rgb30>just want to see if there is any repeated data in a set of files
21:32<Astero1D>how do i edit and remve some of the gnome menu items?
21:33<Astero1D>like ones in Applications, or System menus
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21:34<Knorrie>rgb30: cat bla/* | sort | uniq -c
21:34<tcsetattr>uniq -d would be a better choice
21:34<phishbowler>how do i set my display to load as non-GUI it is gnome right now, i'm trying to upgrade to lenny... and getting bunch of errors.
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21:35<Knorrie>rgb30: collects all content, sorts it and counts how many duplicates of each line occur
21:35<rgb30>i'm getting a '1' at the left of every line
21:35<MarcN>phishbowler: disable gdm on startup. Or set initlevel to something like 2
21:35<rgb30>counts duplicates or how many times each line occurs
21:35<Knorrie>rgb30: yes
21:35<rgb30>thank you
21:36<tcsetattr>uniq -d will delete all the single-instance lines and just show the one that occur more than once.
21:36<Knorrie>rgb30: how much *
21:36<dpkg>delete is probably the opposite of insert
21:36<tcsetattr>not delete from disk, just delete them from the output of the pipeline :)
21:36*dpkg spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... rfc1570... PPP LCP Extensions. W. Simpson. January 1994. (Format: TXT=35719 bytes) (Updates RFC1548) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD)
21:36<rgb30>shut up dpkg
21:39<Tarcas>rgb30: you realize dpkg is a bot, right?
21:39<Astero1D>How do I customize Applications menu in gnome?
21:39<Astero1D>there are a few things I need removed
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21:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:41<tcsetattr>not a lot of gnome people awake in here apparently
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21:42<Astero1D>tcsetattr, :)
21:45<greek_linuxer>Astero1D:system->preferneces->main menu
21:45<Astero1D>greek_linuxer, awesome, thanks
21:46<Steven_M>hi all :)
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21:49<Astero1D>where do temporary downlaoded files go in iceweasel?
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21:52<Steven_M>for some reason aptitude isn't finding all the packages it should, eg konversation. Here's my sources.list:
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21:54<tcsetattr>is the package you're looking for located on the first DVD?
21:54<tcsetattr>the bot can probably answer that, but I don't know how to ask :)
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21:56<Steven_M>tcsetattr: I don't think so, but I've got the net repos enabled too.
21:57<tcsetattr>you don't have the main net repo enabled, just security and volatile
21:58<debianforlife>Astero1D, right click on it, and choose "customize" or something like that
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21:58<tcsetattr> only has packages that have received security updates. and since lenny was released a few days ago, there aren't a lot of those yet.
21:59<tcsetattr>I don't know what exactly is in volatile so that's where my theory could fall apart...
22:00<Steven_M>tcsetattr: Oh, I see
22:01<streuner>tcse, /msg dpkg cd contents
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22:02<streuner>dpkg, cd contents
22:02<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
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22:03<dpkg>i heard repos is See entry for 'sources.list'
22:03<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
22:04<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
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22:14<rgb30>can anyone take a look at this? master is a list of userspace names. what i mean is each user has his own website on a server in the form of<user>. each line of the file contains a different username. i want it so that for each line, the command prints out<user>/lesson{1..5}.txt then goes on to the next line and does the same thing.
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22:23<dondelelcaro>rgb30: so use sed or perl or awk or bash whatever other language you want to do it. It's pretty simple.
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22:25<kop>I'm writing a program and looking for the right name. What's the word for extending a client/server pair so it works over the network? netify is kind of dorky. Any suggestions?
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22:26<eria>what does it do
22:26<kop>eria : Makes pmacctd/pmacct work over the network.
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22:27<kop>eria : Simple shell glue using socat.
22:27<kop>eria: That might be a good approach. Thanks.
22:27<eria>what is socat?
22:27<kop>eria : Like nc on steroids.
22:28<eria>nc isnt already bloated?
22:28<eria>enough for you
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22:28<eria>sounds cool tho, ill look into it
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22:29<kop>eria : Turns out to be useful.
22:30<Guest878>8=====D (O-:
22:30<Guest878>8=====D (O-:
22:30<eria>lol that is rude
22:31<eria>dpkg: gentoo
22:31<dpkg>somebody said gentoo was a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also or ask me about <greenhouse>. or rice rice rice rice, or, or <funroll-loops>, or #gentoo @
22:31<eria>lol ill never get over that
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22:31<Guest878>why would someone say that ?
22:31<Guest878>8=====D (O-:
22:32<Guest878>im the funz0rz
22:32<Guest878>UBUNTU SUX
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22:33<Guest878>J0KE LOLZ
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22:34<Steven_M>Can someone please tell me whether this is the the correct syntax for adding a primary mirror to the sources.list file?
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22:35<Guest878>8=====D (O-:
22:35<Guest878>8=====D (O-:
22:35<Guest878>8=====D (O-:
22:35<Guest878>8=====D (O-:
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22:35<gsimmons>Steven_M: It's not. man sources.list
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22:37<rgb30>yeah. i'm having some trouble getting the command right
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22:40<rgb30>this is close, but i cant seem to direct the output to a file. i'm getting alot of bash: <blah> No such file or directory. so i'm guessing it's trying to run the text as a command
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22:40<Steven_M>gsimmons: found it, thanks :)
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22:41<tcsetattr>why semicolon after echo?
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22:44<rgb30>this is another one.
22:44<Steven_M>back soon
22:44<rgb30>i think it's something small. maybe just been staring at the screen too long
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22:44<tcsetattr>is it $user or is it $file?
22:44<rgb30>master is the name of a file containing usernames
22:44<eria>deb lenny main contrib non-free
22:45<eria>thats how source should look
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22:46<rgb30>tcsetattr: is what user or file?
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22:47<kop>Is there a really good gplv3 compatible shell script that I can use as a template for command line argument parsing? I'm tired of rolling my own.
22:47<tcsetattr>your loop variable. while read user; ... you should do something with $user ... and you're using a $file that's not apparently set to anything. I guessed one of those should change to match the other.
22:48<rgb30>sry. i'm new to this
22:48<tcsetattr>you made up the variable name. you should know what it's called
22:49<rgb30>sry. this is what i meant.
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22:54<pbdl>Hey guys and gals, forgive my too many beers installed over here. I just need to ask a simple question to the venerable community :P
22:54<pbdl>How do i find out when i installed Debian (or my current install)?
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23:00<mustafa>hi all
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23:03<kop>I guess it's time to write a good one with getopts and be done with it.
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23:04<mustafa>does anyone know can i use more than 1 login in tspc.conf?
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23:28<gator99>Does anyone have a solution to flash on Debian, My flash seems to be really slow, and not matching up to the music at all.
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23:36<kingsley>gator99: Perhaps try a different flash site, or upgrade to a more recent version of flash.
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23:39<gator99>How do I upgrade to a recent version of flash, im using the defualt ones installed on Debian
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23:43<Asteroid1D>Does anyone know what compiz is? Does it replace gnome?
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23:47<kop>Asteroid1D : It's some sort of workspace/window management layer. It does not replace gnome, but gives you things like wiggly windows and rotating cube desktop switch visuals. It's 3d bling.
23:47<Asteroid1D>lifedog, hey
23:47<lifedog>i m newer to debian & here
23:47<Asteroid1D>it does not seem to be in synaptic... just wantd to give it a try
23:47<dpkg>compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at, #compiz @
23:47<Asteroid1D>lifedog, welcome, so am I :)
23:48<kop>Asteroid1D : The project may have merged with beryl (?) so the name may be different.
23:48<pbdl>gator99: i think swfdec may be Lenny's default. ;
23:48<lifedog>aha:),but it works well on my laptop,it is much better than winxp
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23:49<Asteroid1D>lifedog, that's ust the beginning
23:49<Asteroid1D>lifedog, linu xis awesome, and I kow I will never switch back to windows, ever, ever again.
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23:49<kop>Is there a getopt_long for shell, and where would I find it?
23:50<lifedog>yes,sometime i will change to windows,because of the work
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23:50<hmn>i've been reading a blog post about a security vulnerability in GNOME, which has been known since 2006 (at least), and yet i just tested it on lenny and it still works. i'm wondering if they'll fix it.
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23:51<kapil>kop: /usr/bin/getopt
23:51<lifedog>i did not find the software for my job:'(
23:51<kop>kapil : That eats long options, like --verbose.
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23:52<hmn>specifically, .desktop files can look like ordinary files and run arbitrary commands
23:52<pbdl>hmn: link?
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23:53<lifedog>excuse me,anyone use the intel HD audio card?
23:53<kop>hmn: Any file can look like an ordinary file and run arbitrary commands, so where's the problem?
23:53<kop>!tell lifedog -about ask
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23:54<hmn>kop, all it takes to execute the file is double-clicking, which normally opens files in an editor, and it does this even if the execute bit is not set
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23:55<lifedog>kop,i did not find the /dev/dsp, and the card works,there is sound
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23:56<hmn>kop, and when i say it can look like an ordinary file, i mean it can completely rewrite its apparent filename. you can't see that it's a .desktop
23:57<kop>lifedog : If you want a specific name, you mess with udev. There's a readme. /usr/share/doc/udev/ somewhere.
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23:57<kop>lifedog : You tell udev to make a softlink.
23:58<lifedog>link to /dev/dsp?
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23:58<pbdl>hmn: there's a lot to scroll through until he says something?
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23:58<Woet>I just restored a backup of my MySQL database, but now it complains about debian-sys-maint not being able to login
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23:59<hmn>pbdl, yeah, well it's a little subtle... but right now I have a file sitting on my desktop with an apparent name like foo.odf and showing the math icon, but which actually opens a gnome-terminal and runs a command
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