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00:00<unomeasjon>NullZero, I come from a vocational class where I can only receive my certification in cisco and nothing else.. if you want to take programming the only thing they teach is vb6 :/
00:00<tcsetattr>which certificate covers "couldn't figure out how to exit an editor when the help was on the screen"
00:00<kop>sysop_ : "aptitude search mysql", although I much prefer postgresql.
00:00<sysop_>kop; true but it seems zoneminder likes mysql
00:00<NullZero>i have to admit the CompTIA certs are somewhat of a job, but the LPI cert that I'm planning on studying for apparently holds some weight to it
00:01<kop>sysop_ : There's no zoneminder package? It does not have a mysql dependency? (or maybe it's only a recommendation?)
00:01<unomeasjon>NullZero, have you ever tried for a cisco cert? They are surprisingly easy.
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00:02<kop>sysop_ : So, the package would be mysql-server
00:02<NullZero>honestly, i haven't given it much thought. I honestly don't know what a cisco type job entails
00:03<NullZero>i can't believe I just installed a lean Debian install on this eee pc and its fast
00:03<kop>NullZero : Of course it's fast. I was running Linux on a 33MHZ 486 with 16M of ram until just last year.
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00:04<NullZero>I messed around with puppy and dsl and thought those were the only options for fast low resource distros
00:04<unomeasjon>NullZero, don't install anything ubuntu based unless its crunchbang.. eeebuntu is horid slow.
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00:05<kop>NullZero : The minimal debian is tiny, but scales up.
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00:05<NullZero>unomeasjon: i threw everything eee based on this and i was very disappointed. tonight I gave debian a shot and i can't believe the results i'm getting
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00:06<urz>hello, i'm running debian unstable and it seems my debconf is broken. It keeps freezing with 100% cpu.
00:06<kop>tcsetattr : What we need is a factoid that points people to a utube video that teaches them how to use an editor: One for eamcs and one for vi.
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00:07<urz>is that a known issue?
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00:08<NullZero>i can understand why people are afraid to switch from windows, but this is so much rewarding
00:08<tcsetattr>heh. video professor for serious people.
00:08<NullZero>once i get my lpi cert, you guys can test my skills lol ;)
00:09<kop>tcsetattr : This is the last literate generation. From here on it's all voice control and video playback and most people will have minimal literacy.
00:09<unomeasjon>NullZero, anything ubuntu starts out small then when it checks for updates and installs them and bloaaats
00:09<NullZero>i was able to get Xubuntu installed, but it was still sluggish
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00:10<mimiloon>hi everybody, i have a slight problem with the permissions, i can't access a hard-drive while i'm an ordinary user and as a root i can; i even changed the permission to allow my ordinary account to access that partition; when i open the drive while i'm an ordinary user, all the folders and files are locked
00:10<tcsetattr>yet somehow the few who know how to keep the voice and video gizmos working will not be the rulers as they deserve to be
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00:11<NullZero>wanna know what my crazy dream is? it's to help bring linux to the masses. crazy thought huh?
00:11<kop>!tell mimiloon -about grounding
00:12<kop>mimiloon : You probably need to read the reference section at that talks about permissions.
00:12<ajay>tcsetattr, i created debian lenny cd on local machine using pool,but it is asking to install from mirror
00:12<ajay>why not it is taking local repository which is on cdrom
00:13<tcsetattr>because your sources.list doesn't have it?
00:13<ajay>tcsetattr, you mean to say while compiling d-i?
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00:13<mimiloon>kop: thanks, i should've read that first before posting here
00:13<mimiloon>i'm new to linux
00:13<kop>ajay : And, perhaps, because Debian now contains a lot more than will fit on 1 cd. ?
00:13<kop>mimiloon : No worries.
00:14<ajay>kop:then is it require to create dvd and test?
00:14<mimiloon>i also have a problem with the time
00:15<ajay>kop, but minimum base system can be on 1 cd..
00:15<NullZero>unomeasjon, you really should try the lxde desktop on your eee pc, its very fast
00:15<kop>ajay : It won't fit on a single dvd either. What you do depends on your requirements, how much you need. I find that I can't keep up with security without net access anyway, so just do stuff from the net. And I keep a local mirror so things are fast.
00:15<kop>ajay : yes.
00:16<kop>mimiloon : You are dual booting debian and a non-unix os?
00:16<mimiloon>my time is wrong and when i correct it, after restarting it changes a few hours back
00:16<mimiloon>i have windows
00:16<mimiloon>os also
00:16<ajay>kop,but my requirement is installing base system from iso image itself
00:17<ajay>integrity test is sussessful
00:17<kop>mimiloon: Read the install manual seciton about setting the time. You have said your hardware clock is in utc and it is not. You change it in /etc/default/rcS. See "man rcS".
00:17<unomeasjon>I love DIGSBY, when is it coming out for linux???
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00:19<mimiloon>kop: thanks again for your help
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00:22<Hideo>kop: what you said about last literate generation is sadly so true :(
00:22<NullZero>kop, if i install packages using aptitude, can i sometimes use synaptic?
00:23<kop>Hideo: We're not long past a time when you had to read both greek and latin and play a musical instrument to be considered educated. Things move on.
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00:23<kop>NullZero : It does not matter which is used.
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00:24<NullZero>silly question, but is IPtables installed in a minimal install?
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00:25<tcsetattr>iptables is "Priority: important" which means it should be there unless you made special effort to avoid it
00:25<kop>NullZero : Not the most minimal, but one up from that. I think. See the debian policy manual for how to tell.
00:26<NullZero>yup, installed :)
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00:28<lifedog>adb:thanks adb,it works well
00:28<hmn>NullZero, what linux distro is installed on this "OpenPandora"? Is it custom-made for the device, or is it some "normal" distro?
00:29<adb>lifedog: you welcome
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00:30<ajay>kop, is there any way to do installation from cd not from net mirror using preseed
00:30<kop>Hideo: So, you going to find a utube emacs and vi tuitorial and make a factoid? :)
00:30<NullZero>its a custom build of Angstrom i think thats how you spell it, click on the blog section for vids of it in action
00:31<kop>ajay : I think so, but.... RTFM.
00:31<Hideo>kop: haha
00:31<ajay>kop,RTFM ?
00:31<kop>Hideo : I think gnu put out an emacs one.
00:31<dpkg>i heard rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
00:32<kop>ajay : I'd have to rtfm.
00:32<Hideo>kop: not like it matters, I'm a vim user :P
00:32<tcsetattr>ed tutorial. ed is always there.
00:33<kop>Hideo : Do you know how to cut and paste? (I've only seen 1 vi user do this. I was impressed. Everybody else uses the gui.)
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00:33<Tarcas>RTFM also = Reuters Trader For Markets. It seems like they could have chosen something that would be an acronym that doesn't insult your clients. :-P
00:33<Hideo>kop: "*Y and "*p ?
00:33<Hideo>kop: or enter into visual mode
00:33<kop>tcsetattr : vi is always there too, for all practical purposes.
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00:33<Hideo>or also use screen
00:34<kop>Hideo : All the vi users I know just use the gui.
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00:34<tcsetattr>yank and put should be taught somewhere around the second session of vi study
00:34<kop>tcsetattr : You would think. I found emacs needed no study, so here I am.
00:34<tcsetattr>in vi, if you move your hands away from the center of the keyboard, you lose
00:34<NullZero>thanks again for helping me tonight. off to bed
00:35<kop>tcsetattr : But then, I got wrist problems, until I corrected my ergonomics in a big way.
00:35<penpen>i dont like the vi gui..the console version is much better imo
00:35<Hideo>I don't use the gui either
00:36<hmn>night NullZero
00:36<kop>By gui I mean the mouse, and whatever cut/paste the wm provides.
00:36<hmn>I just saw your reply
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00:36<penpen>kop: oh, i see what you're getting at now
00:37<kop>tcsetattr : Isn't vi backwards compatible with ed, so you just know it? (I never tried to use ed.)
00:37<tcsetattr>vi is an expansion of ex, which is similar to ed
00:38<tcsetattr>the commands in vi that start with a colon are the ex commands. those resemble ed, with some minor differences
00:38<cheal>urz: when doing what, for example?
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00:42<urz>cheal when i run apt-get install
00:43<urz>installing a package
00:43<urz>it downloads
00:43<urz>asks if i want to go through with it
00:43<urz>then hangs
00:43<urz>top shows frontend is using 100% cpu
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00:44<cheal>urz: don't you mean it asks if you want to fo through with it, *then* downloads?
00:45<urz>oh, right
00:45<urz>it downloads
00:45<urz>but then hangs
00:46<urz>i can get packages to install with dpkg
00:46<urz>after it downloads and hangs
00:46<urz>i upgraded apt, that made no difference
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00:47<tcsetattr>can you strace -p the process that's eating the CPU?
00:48<urz>it says brk over and over
00:48<tcsetattr>with increasing numbers?
00:49<urz>brk(0x2fb0000) = 0x2fb0000
00:49<urz>brk(0x2f74000) = 0x2f74000
00:49<urz>those two numbers over and over
00:49<cheal>urz: where frontend means apt-get?
00:49<tcsetattr>oh, weird.
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00:50<tcsetattr>was that a debconf process that you straced?
00:50<urz>cheal, frontend is what top calls teh prcoess
00:50<tcsetattr>/usr/share/debconf/frontend I assume
00:50<urz>it was the process eating teh cpu that top calls "frontend"
00:51<urz>maybe i should update perl
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00:53<tcsetattr>try export DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer
00:53<urz>i'm having apt download the perl packages
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00:55<urz>it finished downloading perl packages and i tried your suggestion
00:56<urz>it made no difference
00:56<chealer>urz: what packages are you installeing?
00:56<urz>it doesnt make any difference
00:56<urz>last i tried perl
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00:59<urz>upgraded perl packages now, no difference (tried installing emdebian-tools)
01:01<chealer>urz: do you have broken packages?
01:01<urz>you mean dependencies?
01:01<urz>so that apt complains?
01:01<urz>not that i know of
01:02<chealer>urz: yes
01:02<urz>apt-get install -f succedes
01:02<urz>indicaters nothing wrong
01:02<urz>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1853 not upgraded.
01:03<valdyn>urz: how much ram do you have?
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01:03<urz>MemTotal: 995636 kB
01:03<urz>MemFree: 69500 kB
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01:03<urz>from /proc/meminfo
01:04<The_Stig>does anyone even talk in here?
01:04<valdyn>urz: ok, just checking if you could be thrashing, meminfo is not useful for that really
01:04<urz>it doesnt appear to be thrashing
01:04<valdyn>urz: alright
01:04<urz>teh computer is quite responsive
01:04<urz>even with 100% cpu reported by top
01:05<valdyn>urz: 100% cpu is a better indicator than responsiveness too
01:06<urz>%MEM column in top is absurdly low for everything
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01:06<urz>nothing greater than 3
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01:06<tcsetattr>wonder why DEBCONF_DEBUG didn't do anything
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01:07<chealer>urz: which debconf version do you use?
01:07<valdyn>are we clear that debconf is hanging and not the dependency resolution?
01:07<urz>well i upgraded it trying to fix this
01:07<urz>so its latest
01:07<chealer>valdyn: yes, it's a process names "frontend"
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01:07<chealer>urz: are you able to reproduce with the squeeze version?
01:08<urz>not familiar
01:08<chealer>urz: oh, sorry
01:08<valdyn>urz: why is there 1800 packages to upgrade?
01:08<tcsetattr>because he's got etch->lenny pending, I bet
01:08<valdyn>or sarge->lenny, who knows
01:08<chealer>urz: which Debian suite do you use normally?
01:09<urz>suite? I'm running debian unstable, actually, a distro called grml which is basically debian unstable with some extra packages
01:09<valdyn>urz: thats a live cd, no?
01:09<urz>no i have it installed
01:09<tcsetattr>oh no, a non-debian confession. time to halt all work on the problem and abuse the user
01:10<valdyn>urz: ok, maybe an installable live cd
01:10<urz>well i can remove all grml packages
01:10<valdyn>urz: you should upgrade the system
01:10<urz>and take it out of apt and upgrade
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01:10<tcsetattr>if it was me I'd have put an strace'ing wrapper around that frontend by now. but it's hard to walk someone through that over IRC
01:10<valdyn>urz: probably step by step, via apt-get install <some stuff that does not hang>
01:11<urz>there is no stuff that wont hang apt
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01:11<urz>i can download anything and then install it with dpkg -i
01:11<valdyn>urz: you are saying that every debconf interaction hangs?
01:11<urz>dpkg-reconfigure debconf does not hang
01:12<valdyn>urz: or that every upgrade hits that specific hanging package?
01:12<urz>every apt-get install x where x is a debian package name
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01:12<valdyn>urz: what if you reconfigure debconf to non-interactive?
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01:13<urz>well i tried readline frontend, and that didnt do anything for me
01:13<urz>i havent tried non interactive
01:13<valdyn>urz: you have *some* broken component anyway
01:13<valdyn>urz: maybe debsums can tell you
01:13<valdyn>urz: maybe just a disk is full or something silly as that
01:13<urz>noninteractive is doing a lot
01:14<valdyn>urz: i hope your mail system works
01:14<valdyn>urz: because thats where non-interactive dumps info
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01:17<urz>i have a lot of mail
01:17<rgb30>tcsetattr: i've been having fun learning how to use sed with regexs
01:18<urz>nothing from debconf tho
01:18<urz>non-interactive works apparently
01:18<urz>it made lots of debug output, but i assume that is do to that environment variable i set
01:19<debi>hi, in debian is there any downloader similar to internet download manager in windows
01:20<urz>so Readline and Dialog dont work, but non-interactive does. hm
01:20<urz>and Dialog and Readline both do still work for dpkg-reconfigure, just not apt-get install
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01:23<tcsetattr>maybe if you select Readline and then try an apt-get install you'll get some of that debug output... if the dialog was hiding it
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01:23<chealer>debi: what is internet download manager?
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01:24<rgb30>i have a set of urls in a file. i'd they come in the form i want to change the format of the date to YYYYMMDD but leave the rest of the url intact. is this posibble? i'm not sure how to move data around yet on the fly
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01:25<debi>chealer, it is a fast downloader, it divides the single download file into multiple subfiles and later joins it into single file
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01:25<debi>chealer, is there any alternative for it in debian
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01:25<rgb30>tcsetattr: you seem to be the man on this subject. i'd appreciate any input you have.
01:26<ajay>hi to all,is it possible while installing debian display some messages about foss,debian? like redhat is having installation help
01:26<chealer>debi: I don't know, but what you're describing doesn't make any sense to me
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01:26<tcsetattr>MMM to MM implies some conversion table of names to numbers, I suppose
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01:27<debi>chealer, i want an acclerating downloader in debian
01:27<tcsetattr>on the server side, when a client makes multiple simultaneous connections to download different pieces of the same file, we used to call that "hammering the server" and considered it abusive... trying to get more than your fair share of the bandwidth
01:28<urz>no dialog was hiding anything. no dialogs were occuring
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01:29<chealer>debi: is it commercial software?
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01:30<brian|lfs>hello does anyone know how to configure sendmail to send and receive from my isps email?
01:30<debi>chealer, yes
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01:32<chealer>debi: what kind of downloads do you want to accelerate?
01:33<debi>chealer, ftp type of links and all direct links
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01:35<chealer>debi: are you using Debian at home?
01:35<debi>chealer, yes
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01:37<tcsetattr>the best download accelerator is a bittorrent client
01:37<NSAJEFF>So far from the truth
01:38<tcsetattr>don't fight with the other users for maximum download slots on the central server... help each other instead
01:38<chealer>debi: usually, it's the server that floods you, so basic software is optimal. that said, axel calls itself a download accelerator, and iceweasel-downthemall says it accelerates downloads.
01:39<urz>uh not really far from teh truth, a bitttorrent client for debian cd images is a good idea even from a selfish pov
01:39<NSAJEFF>Give me wget or give me death!
01:39<NSAJEFF>Pure, unadultered power
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01:40<debi>chealer, how to set axel as default instead of wget
01:41<chealer>debi: that must depend on the browser
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01:43<debi>chealer, i want to set the axel as default in terminal instead of wget
01:44<chealer>debi: what do you mean? you want it used as default when doing what?
01:44<urz>my understanding is that grml is nothing more than a shrink-wrapped customization of debian
01:44<xoomer>hey any tips for speeding up the system and turning off the extra terminals and any other similar Ideals, I'm running on a 400 mhz
01:45<urz>all packages that are not straight out of the debian pool are marked with 'grml' in the version
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01:46<craigevil>xoomer: search the howtos on there are a couple there on howto tweak debian for better performance
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01:49<urz>my debconf freezing issue is solved now
01:49<urz>i'm not sure what fixed it
01:49<urz>im using the dialog frontend and its working fine
01:50<debi>chealer, while i am upgrading or updating etc i want to use axel instead of wget
01:51<xoomer>Thanks CraigEvil
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01:53<chealer>debi: how do you upgrade or update?
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01:54<tcsetattr>this is not going to end well
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01:55<debi>chealer, using aptitude
01:56<chealer>debi: I don't know aptitude
01:56<tcsetattr>boom! there's the revelation. he thinks apt's http backend needs "accelerating". and that it's based on wget.
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02:00<urz>is there a bittorrent backend for apt?
02:00<urz>i suppose youd need bittorrent sources
02:00<xoomer>With Ubuntu I could install a Network Printer with Samba? with a couple of easy clicks I'm not exactly sure what to do?
02:01<urz>install cups
02:01<urz>ask google
02:02<xoomer>Cups is installed already
02:02<urz>cups can export printers
02:02<urz>is that all you want?
02:02<xoomer>its hooked to a windows machine.
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02:02<urz>the printer?
02:03<chealer>!tell urz about debtorrent
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02:05<urz>well the high level cups interface is at http://localhost:631/
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02:14<aetheria>about to try out lxde...
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02:18<xen>Hi there
02:18<xen>I've got a few problems
02:19<xen>One thing is with my screen
02:19<Ascavasaion>xen: So do I... do not get paid enough at work, have bills to pay, chest is unhappy in dusty or cold environments, etc. You?
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02:19<xen>Whenever I startup, the screen display shows up as something like 1920x1200
02:20<xen>:P excuse my slow typing please
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02:20<xen>Which is too high for my laptop's screen, meaning that only the top left quarter or so is displayed
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02:21<xen>I can change it manually each time with grandr, but I was wondering if there's a better way
02:21<tcsetattr>you need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
02:21<xen>Oddly, the Screen Resolution tool doesn't display any options
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02:22<xen>tcsettattr: ah, thanks - let me try, although I'm new to this, so you may have to walk me through it a little...
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02:23<xen>Ok, now for some random reason my Root Terminal isn't starting
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02:26<tcsetattr>I might have had the wrong package name there
02:26<tcsetattr>there's something that does a menu of resolutions when you dpkg-reconfigure it
02:26<xen>unknown option --reconfigure
02:27<xen>Wait, sorry, I'm an idiot
02:27<xen>One sec
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02:29<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template.
02:29<tcsetattr>that's the one.
02:29<xen>Well, it took me through some options to reconfigure my keyboard
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02:30<xen>(I'm using root btw)
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02:30<xen>But I'm at one screen that isn't letting me progress...
02:30<tcsetattr>hit tab to get to the OK button. (I just went through the same thing)
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02:31<xen>Ah - thanks :D
02:31<xen>xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
02:31<xen> file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20090222143105
02:32<xen>So shall I check that file out, or is it too risky...
02:32<tcsetattr>yeah, that probably sucked. I guess lenny doesn't have the resolution config in the same place it used to be
02:33<tcsetattr>you can always just go edit xorg.conf and delete the high-resolution entries
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02:34<xen>Hmm, xorg.conf doesn't seem to have them... let me show you
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02:34<xen>Section "Monitor"
02:34<xen> Identifier "Configured Monitor"
02:34<tcsetattr>I believe you
02:34<tcsetattr>I just found this:
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02:35<xen>Heh, just thought you might know where to go from there... the only thing that reconfigure changed, oddly enough, is this:
02:35<xen>Section "Device"
02:35<tcsetattr>* Don't bother with resolutions in xorg.conf We now rely on the server and drivers to do the right thing. -- David Nusinow <> Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:35:08 -0500
02:35<xen> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
02:35<xen> Option "UseFBDev" "true"
02:35<xen>It added the Option in... I wonder what it does, and why it added it when it didn't mention a thing...
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02:36<tcsetattr>apparently you're some kidn of ridiculous control freak if you think resolution should be configurable
02:36<tcsetattr>man, I remember when you had to write ModeLines.
02:36<g0nad>anyone got a clue about RAID? I've got a raid5 device as /dev/md0, and in fstab I've got /dev/md0 set to mount as /SAMBA/ but it's not being mounted at boot but the array seems to be coming up healthy
02:36<xen>Is there any way to configure the drivers or server directly?
02:37<tcsetattr>xen, I'm sure you could still specify resolutions in xorg.conf if you studied the syntax enough (or looked at an etch system to get an example to copy)
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02:37<cahoot>AFAIK xorg will respect a handcrafted conf, debian won't help you though
02:37<xen>Ok - where shall I continue to look this up - I'll try googling xorg.conf?
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02:38<tcsetattr>"man xorg.conf" would be a start
02:38<cahoot>xen: could use gtf to create a modeline
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02:38<xen>Ah, ok - what's a modeline then, and are there any drawbacks?
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02:40<tcsetattr>ModeLines are now not really necessary, but in the old days you couldn't just say "I want 1024x768". you had to tell the video card the dot clock rate and the number of clocks in the hblank interval and vblank...
02:40<Lance4_[PC]>question: how do I convert my windows firefox bookmark files so I can use them in debian when its installed on the same pc?
02:41<Tekno>Lance4_[PC]: use foxmarks to sync your firefoxes
02:41<Tekno>foxmarks is addon for firefox
02:41<Tekno>which you can use to syncronize your bookmarks in two firefoxes
02:41<Tekno>or more
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02:41<tcsetattr>it was like 10 numbers you had to configure to specify the mode. and if you were off a little bit, the screen would be squished or off to the side. xvidtune was the tool to help adjust your modelines.
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02:42<cahoot>xen: xrandr -q doesn't offer the wanted resolution?
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02:43<xen>xrandr -q
02:43<xen>Can't open display
02:44<xen>That's as super user
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02:44<Lance4_[PC]>ah ok so I can install it on my current OS's firefox, than take the file it makes save it on a usb flash drive or usb hard drive, than install debian and then install the foxmarks on debian's firefox and then tell it to use that same file?
02:44<cahoot>xorg must be running
02:44<tcsetattr>the thing about xrandr is that it means he's starting the X server up in the wrong resolution and then fixing it afterward. it would be nicer to start it up in the right resolution, wouldn't it?
02:44<xen>grandr runs ok, but never saves a thing
02:45<tcsetattr>which used to be easy since they were in the default xorg.conf and you could just rearrange them
02:45<Tekno>Lance4_[PC]: just try it, its simple to use
02:45<Lance4_[PC]>but I could do what I just said right?
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02:45<Tekno>Lance4_[PC]: just install foxmarks on both firefoxes, you dont need to save any files
02:45<cahoot>but xrandr lists the one he wants there's no need create a modeline
02:46<Tekno>you just need to make account to foxmarks
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02:46<Lance4_[PC]>oh so its a website thing?
02:46<tcsetattr>I never said he should create a modeline. I was just reflecting on how far we've come.
02:46<xen>Ok, well looking at the options, it looks like Display's Virtual option seems best
02:46<Lance4_[PC]>so no matter what firefox I use it just needs to be able to use foxmarks?
02:47<Tekno>Lance4_[PC]: yea foxmarks + your personal foxmarks account
02:47<xen>Is a virtual resolution the real display resolution though... seems an odd name
02:47<Lance4_[PC]>so will it work with debian's firefox?
02:47<Tekno>Lance4_[PC]: yes
02:47<tcsetattr>virtual resolution is the total size of the screen that you can see by pushing the mouse against the edges of the visible part.
02:47<Lance4_[PC]>ok, but what about my passwords??
02:48<Tekno>Lance4_[PC]: you can sync them also if you want
02:48<Tekno>or only bookmarks
02:48<Lance4_[PC]>foxmarks does that too?
02:48<xen>Ah, interesting - that was the problem that I was getting - I can move the mouse past the edge of the screen
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02:49<xen>When I restart
02:49<xen>And only the top left displays
02:49<xen>I'll try adding that now
02:49<Lance4_[PC]>now transitioning from window xp---->debian 5.0 will be easier then I thought
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02:49<xen>Thanks - I'll be back if it doesn't work
02:49<fxiny>iceweasel bookmarks ? they are in a sqlite file
02:49<Lance4_[PC]>tnx for info
02:50<cahoot>you think ff bookmarks is the main obstacle?
02:50<Lance4_[PC]>w8 what?
02:51<Lance4_[PC]>soo... will it work?
02:51<Tekno>just do as I said
02:51<Tekno>and you're fine
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02:52<xen>Damn - gedit's not letting me save the file
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02:52<fxiny>read only ? root owned ?
02:53<xen>No privelages
02:53<xen>Can I get root in this session?
02:53<xen>As in, add root privelages to gedit
02:54<Lance4_[PC]>one more question: I have debian on my Mac Powerbook G4 and I just recently got it to 5.0 from 4.0 r7, after a new update and restart or the laptop it won't hook up to the net
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02:54<Lance4_[PC]>*of the laptop
02:55<fxiny>xen: i'd use vim
02:55<xen>vim eh?
02:55<fxiny>it will tell you what
02:55<cahoot>xen: gksu gedit?
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02:55<xen>cahoot: I believe so
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02:56<xen>I'd rather use a visual editor though truth be told
02:56<fxiny>vim can be more visual then gedit
02:57<fxiny>and i am an emacs user ...
02:57<Lance4_[PC]>its shows its hooking up, but when I use a web browser is just acts like it wasn't hooked up to the net, I tried both wired and wifi in my home before and after, Before: both worked, After: both shows that its working but no apps or web browsers are acting like it is hooked up
02:57<Lance4_[PC]>whats wrong?
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02:58<Lance4_[PC]>oh and the update took place after the update from 4.0 r7(etch) to 5.0(lenny)
02:59<unomeasjon>sup guys
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03:00<xen>fxiny: ok, but vim's annoying the hell out of me trying to just open the file
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03:02<Lance4_[PC]>anyone know what up with my other debian laptop?
03:02<xen>I've also got a problem mounting my windows drive in linux
03:02<xen>It's there in computer://
03:02<xen>But it's saying that I don't have the privileges to mount it...
03:02<fxiny>xen: best editor for editing conf files ever , just learn the basic : run vimtutor
03:03<fxiny>Lance4_[PC]: are you trying to sync windows firefox bookmarks with iceweasel ? any *.sqlite files in firefox/windows ?
03:03<xen>0_o I don't even have vimtutor... let me see if I can get it... I just want to be able to save a file!
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03:04<Lance4_[PC]>no no its another problem I'm having
03:04<cahoot>Lance4_[PC]: not really without a more precise error description
03:04<Lance4_[PC]>here its again
03:04<Lance4_[PC]>one more question: I have debian on my Mac Powerbook G4 and I just recently got it to 5.0 from 4.0 r7, after a new update and restart or the laptop it won't hook up to the net
03:04<Lance4_[PC]>its shows its hooking up, but when I use a web browser is just acts like it wasn't hooked up to the net, I tried both wired and wifi in my home before and after, Before: both worked, After: both shows that its working but no apps or web browsers are acting like it is hooked up
03:04<Lance4_[PC]>oh and the update took place after the update from 4.0 r7(etch) to 5.0(lenny)
03:04<cahoot>Lance4_[PC]: so you don't get an IP?
03:05<Lance4_[PC]>no it shows everything
03:05<xen>Ah, I get a similar problem sometimes
03:05<xen>For me, the wifi connects
03:05<unomeasjon>how would i go about installing wine
03:05<xen>And shows signal strength
03:05<xen>But then after a few minutes I can't connect to anything
03:05<Lance4_[PC]>it show that it hooked up on both wifi and wired in my house
03:06<unomeasjon>how would i go about installing wine
03:06<xen>Iceweasel saying things like "can't connect to server etc."
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03:06<xen>unomeasjon: use Synaptic
03:06<xen>Or apt-get wine
03:06<fxiny>xen: vim file . press i , edit , esc , :wq
03:06<Lance4_[PC]>so what I reinstall debian?
03:06<xen>apt-get -install wine
03:07<xen>fxiny: thanks :)
03:07<cahoot>Lance4_[PC]: can you ping
03:07<Lance4_[PC]>on my other pc?
03:07<fxiny>xen: i --> insert , w ---> write , q ---> quit . welcome to the logic side of the moon :)
03:08<cahoot>Lance4_[PC]: from the troubled laptop
03:08<xen>(type it into your console)
03:08<cahoot>Lance4_[PC]: then try ping
03:08<unomeasjon>jon@jon-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get -install wine
03:08<unomeasjon>E: Command line option ‘i’ [from -install] is not known.
03:08<cahoot>scratch the dash
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03:09<Lance4_[PC]>brb have to turn it on
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03:10<unomeasjon>how do i delete downloaded updates to free some space up
03:10<cahoot>aptitude clean
03:11<cahoot>(or apt-get clean)
03:11<unomeasjon>is that a command
03:11<unomeasjon>oh ok
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03:12<unomeasjon>what does wine run well
03:13<unomeasjon>like doom?
03:13<xen>Oh, the other way round
03:13<unomeasjon>will doom run in wine
03:13<xen>I guess simple windows based apps
03:13<Tekno>theres native doom ports already
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03:13<xen>I believe it can do graphics, but that's the less easily supported side
03:14<unomeasjon>can i get doom buy typing sudo apt-get doom
03:14<unomeasjon>lol awww
03:15<Tekno>sudo apt-get install prboom
03:15<fxiny>why apt ? lenny aptitude is much better
03:15<fxiny>i did a perfect etch2lkenny upgrade using aptitude
03:16<Lance4_[PC]>ok I pinged and this came up: PING ( 56(84) bytes of data
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03:16<unomeasjon>ok installing prboom
03:16<unomeasjon>what is it
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03:17<unomeasjon>what is prboom
03:17<Tekno>its "doom"
03:17<fxiny>apt-cache show prboom
03:17<Lance4_[PC]>than "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" poped up over and over
03:18<unomeasjon>after its done installing how do i run it
03:18<Lance4_[PC]>ok I pinged and this came up: PING ( 56(84) bytes of data
03:18<Lance4_[PC]>than "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" poped up over and over
03:18<Lance4_[PC]>and over still as we speak
03:18<xen>The odd thing for me is that wifi's working today with no problems
03:18<cahoot>ctrl-c to stop
03:18<xen>It always works in XP on the same laptop, but rarely in linux
03:19<Lance4_[PC]>ok it stoped
03:19<xen>I can't see what's wrong now it's working I guess...
03:19<g0nad>I have a RAID5 device that Lenny won't mount at boot. fstab is OK as mount -a works
03:19<g0nad>any ideas?
03:19<Lance4_[PC]>whats wrong?
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03:20<Lance4_[PC]>try reinstalling debian on that comp?
03:20<g0nad>/dev/md0 /SAMBA ext3 defaults 0 0 : this is fstab line
03:20<g0nad>but it won't mount on boot, but it will mount with mount -a
03:20<cahoot>Lance4_[PC]: try ping as root
03:20<g0nad>seems odd
03:20<unomeasjon>hey this is a nice doom clone but there arent any enemies
03:20<Lance4_[PC]>one sec
03:21<unomeasjon>who wants to play with me
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03:21<Lance4_[PC]>ok I did su for root then the ping thing and the same thing pops up
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03:22<Lance4_[PC]>so what up with it
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03:23<unomeasjon>hey if you type prboom -fullscreen it opens fullscreen imagine that
03:23<Lance4_[PC]>this happened after I ran a current update after the one from 4.0 r7 to 5.0
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03:24<aetheria>lxde is pretty nice
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03:24<Lance4_[PC]>w8 brb from bathroom
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03:25<unomeasjon>is there duke nukem for linux
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03:29<joss>anyone knows what the connection reset by peer vnc message means, trying to access display 0 vnc server from display 2 xorg session?
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03:29<xen>unomeasonjon: google it
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04:10<fxiny>aetheria: is lxde light as fluxbox ? i'm asking cause i see it pulls gnome packages
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04:16<Matzee>good morning everyone!
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04:34<Matzee>guys, i'd like to try to set up an email server, which one do you recommend? i'd like to have imap, and some web user interface. :)
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04:41<honschu>I didn't get the name of a small program to analyze the fopens of another program. you call it "xxx less /tmp/1"
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04:48<u_>i have a weird issue with my monitor in debian lenny, what happends is when i maximize my gnome-terminal, after say .. 10 to 15 secs the monitor starts to lower the brightness, stays like that unitl i move the mouse, it's really annoying and i have no clue why
04:49<u_>does the same thing in tty, but it alternates, i mean it lowers the brightness then after 10 or so seconds comes back again to full brightness
04:49<u_>i guess it's something about black backgrounds
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04:50<Tekno>kill gnome-power-manager and see if it helps
04:50<u_>this never happends if i don't do what i said earlier
04:50<u_>i mean with firefox open, or xchat
04:50<u_>or any other thing, and in windows never
04:51<u_>ok, i killed it, let me see
04:51<u_>same thing
04:51<u_>the minute i maximize the terminal (wich has a black background) does it
04:52<u_>if i change the backdound in the console it doesn't
04:52<u_>it drives me crazy !
04:52<fxiny>looks like it fades after some secs , any settings in gnome cc ?
04:52<u_>that's the word, "fades"
04:53<u_>what is gnome cc
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04:53<fxiny>not running gnome since ages : a control center ?
04:53<enouf>crappy copy?
04:54<fxiny>enouf: hehe
04:54<u_>no strange settings there
04:54<Matzee>oh! life is back to the channel! morning everyone :)
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04:54<Tekno>how do I control which browser gnome-terminal opens when I click url ?
04:54<fxiny>enouf: we fade to gray , party time :)
04:54<u_>it's not the screen saver either, it's not dpms since i disabled it also
04:55<enouf>u_: does it only happen with gnome-terminal?
04:55<enouf>u_: have compiz? using?
04:55<u_>and in tty
04:55<u_>no compiz
04:56<enouf>er - gnome-terminal is not tty
04:56<u_>but , if i change the terminal backgound it stops, it only has issues with BLACK
04:56<u_>i know
04:56<u_>in tty also
04:56<enouf>oh, it happens in BOTH X and ttys?
04:56<u_>but in X only happends in gnome-terminal, and only when it has a BLACK background
04:57<u_>it's crazy
04:57<enouf>so then why did you say yes to "does it only happen with gnome-terminal" ?
04:57<u_>in X
04:57<u_>i mean in X it only happends in gnome-terminal
04:57<enouf>all other X apps, no issue?
04:57<u_>no issues
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04:58<u_>and i can't really give up using the terminal
04:58<enouf>u_: how far will it eventually fade if you let it?
04:58<u_>not much
04:58<enouf>u_: and do you always log in through gdm?
04:58<u_>it fades to some point then stays that way
04:58<u_>until i move the mouse
04:59<u_>with gdm
04:59<enouf>u_: run gdmsetup
04:59<enouf>u_: and see /usr/share/gdm/.defaults
04:59<enouf>or similar
05:01<u_>well i openend gdmsetup, i don't see anything of interest, and i'm searching for .defaults since it's not in /usr/share/gdm
05:01<beer>have you tried to installing kde 4.2 from experimental? I have tried to do that (using the guide but every time I tried the packet kde4 (and most subpackets like kdebase does not work becouse of dependencies
05:03<u_>gdm defaults is in /usr/share/gdm/.defaults, now what do i look for in here?
05:03<enouf>u_: i've noticed odd behaviour almost like using kde crap some time ago - but it really only occured when i went to adjust the gamma sliders in the Display setup area
05:03<Matzee>hey guys, can you recommend me a mailserver? i wanted to try zimbra, but they have only versions for etch....
05:03<enouf>u_: no clue, i never used gnome
05:04<u_>enouf, hmm it didn't happend in ubuntu if you want to know :)
05:04<enouf>i know gdm can be set to some sort of TIME= session .. maybe there's a FADEsomething, but from what you describe, i doubt it
05:04<u_>so i don't blame the monitor
05:05<enouf>so - in TTY/Console - it happens to all apps no?
05:05<enouf>as soon as you fire up gnome-terminal you
05:05<enouf>as soon as you fire up gnome-terminal you're using X and a /dev/pts
05:06<u_>in TTY it's all the same, it doesn't matter what i do, if i do 'ls' or compile something, it's not about computer inactivity that would trigger some standby mode
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05:07<u_>in X it's the gnome-terminal that missbehaves
05:07<enouf>u_: so .. listen, just try and boot into single mode, bypass gdm
05:07<u_>for example, all this time i was chatting here the monitor never faded
05:07<Lance4_[PC]>sorry I took long
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05:07<enouf>u_: cat /proc/cmdline please
05:08<Lance4_[PC]>anyone have an answer for my problem?
05:08<enouf>i wonder if you have any vga= or video= or something
05:08<u_>enouf, root=/dev/hda2 ro
05:08<u_>no i don't
05:08<enouf>also - are you using a custom initrd?
05:08<u_>i don't use framebuffer
05:08<enouf>u_: well try with fb ;-0
05:08<u_>enouf, yes :)
05:08<enouf>it's nice ;-) for TTY
05:09<u_>enouf, i don't find a nice vga number for my 22 inch monitor
05:09<u_>enouf, native resolution is 1680x1050
05:09<enouf>oh dear ,, hrm .. there's one .. er ..
05:09<u_>enouf, i don't get that with fb
05:09<enouf>uvesafb maybe
05:09<u_>enouf, that maybe later, i spend much more time in X in gnome-terminal that in TTY
05:09<enouf>u_: you don't need 1680x1050 for a tty :-P
05:10<Lance4_[PC]>i'll just reinstall my debian i guess
05:10<enouf>yes, but .. the vga=xxx option forced vesafb to load - compare diffs of /proc/iomem before/after
05:10<enouf>and dmesg | grep -i vesa
05:11<u_>enouf, was that for me?
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05:11<enouf>i also wonder if "get-edid | parse-edid" might show something
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05:12<fxiny>enouf: are you still on the "fade" issue ? i think is a gnome feature , i vaguely remember kicking in last time i ran gnome
05:12<enouf>so, bypass gdm, and also try with vga=
05:12<enouf>fxiny: lovely feature :-)
05:12<u_>yes crappy feature
05:12<enouf>fxiny: frankie feature creature :-P
05:12<fxiny>enouf: hehehe
05:13<u_>i'll try it now
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05:13<fxiny>enouf: spiders from mars , incoming ! :P
05:13*enouf runs
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05:18<aetheria>fxiny: it installs gdm. then you run the lxde environment you get gdm, lxsession, openbox, lxde-settings, lxpanel, gam_server processes running. its pretty light, but not hyperlight
05:19<u_>enouf, no luck, i rebooted into single user mode, killed gdm with /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then startx, opened the gnome-terminal and same thing after 30 seconds or so
05:19<aetheria>fxiny: actually i'm going to try to turn off gamin since i don't need it
05:20<aetheria>alas, it has no rc script, noting in /etc/default. how friendly.
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05:20<fxiny>aetheria: gdm gksu gnome-icon-theme openbox-themes are recommended .aptitude -R will skip 'em . not so light ? that's what i wanted to know , thanx :)
05:21<u_>enouf, i have my monitor connected to the pc with DVI
05:21<enouf>u_: gdm doesn't come up in single user mode
05:21<aetheria>someone somewhere decided i need gamin and didn't want to give me the choice to not use it
05:21<u_>enouf, anyway does the same thing with the RGB cable
05:22<u_>enouf, i also tried various driver versions of the nvidia binary driver (from and the same
05:22<enouf>u_: gdm doesn't come up in single user mode
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05:22<aetheria>egrep -ri gam_server /etc comes up empty
05:22<u_>enouf, i had lag, so how do i do it
05:22<enouf>boot your kernel in (recovery) mode from the grub menu
05:23<u_>enouf, that is what i did
05:23<enouf>enter root pass when asked
05:23<u_>enouf, ah, i did ctrl-d
05:23<enouf>right - wrong :-P
05:23<u_>i reboot now
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05:26<enouf>fxiny: thing is, he says it also happens in all the TTYs - when using a black background - so far, the only thing in common, between that and X (gnome-terminal) that i can see, is the fact that he goes through GDM on every boot - and you know gdm has it's own config files all over the place, depending on how it's setup
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05:28<enouf>if you select Gnome or something from there, then yes; all files in /etc/X11/ also become a factor, .. but to choose Console or tty or whatever, i'd think not those files, but others ... and in order to even see the gdm login screen, isn't X basically already up at that point?
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05:28<fxiny>enouf: i remember gnome terminal fading to *gray* (tm) kinda screensaver , i'm sure there was a setting
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05:29<Tekno>is there program like Maximus in debian repos?
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05:30<fxiny>enouf : i'm after a decent desktop for my new born lenny . in my to do list : xmonad come before awesome , lxde ? maybe . i have resurrected an old kde partition for testing becasue i feel kde needs more support then gnome , i don't think i'll run gnome
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05:31<u_>enouf, looks like i can grow old waiting for the monitor to fade :)
05:32<enouf>u_: er .. what?
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05:32<Internat>im in the mood for retarded ness tonight.. the umask is just the oposite of the ocatal right? so if the otcal was 6770 the umask would be 1007 right?
05:32<u_>enouf, i mean in single user mode it doesn't do it
05:32<enouf>Internat: what?
05:33<Internat>sorry. file system permissions
05:33<u_>enouf, i'v been staring at the maximized gnome-terminal for about 3 minutes and it doens't fade :)
05:33<enouf>Internat: forget the 1st digit, 4th place
05:33<enouf>Internat: dirs are 0777 and file 0666 - now, do the math :-P
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05:34<enouf>u_: beauty - how did you fire it up? did you have to startx 1st?
05:34<Internat>im confused. forget the first digit?
05:34<enouf>Internat: the 0 in my example means other things
05:34<fxiny>u_: have you looked at the screensaver options ?
05:34<u_>enouf, yes, went in single user mode, *with root password* then startx
05:34<fxiny>that's bad
05:34<enouf>Internat: your 6 should be removed from your 6770 example
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05:34<u_>fxiny, it's after 30 minutes
05:35<enouf>u_: right - so you're root user now as well
05:35<fxiny>u_: you should not run x as root
05:35<u_>xchat says it's stupid
05:35<enouf>feivel: we're testing something :-P
05:35<fxiny>u_: add a new user and login
05:35<enouf>er fxiny
05:35<enouf>next step
05:35<Internat>why? i want the setuid/setgid bit
05:35<fxiny>u_: make it u2_magnificent ,)
05:36<enouf>u_: do what fxiny suggested - or .. well, there's way too many files/dirs to find to mv from ~ that are gnome related
05:36<u_>enouf, so all it's left is figure out why gdm does it , right?
05:36<enouf>u_: listen - now, boot normal - su - (to become root) try it
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05:36<enouf>u_: something gdm is doing, i'd say
05:37<enouf>reading some config from somewhere - OR - there's files in your username ~ that's causing it
05:37<feivel>enouf: ???
05:37<u_>ok , see you after reboot
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05:37<enouf>feivel: bad tab
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05:37<feivel>enouf: ok :-)
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05:40<enouf>Internat: what?
05:40<enouf>Internat: setuid/setgid has nothing to do with umask
05:40<Internat>ah. nm i think i just worked out what my problem is
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05:41<Internat>im trying to use umask to force a permission set, but umask can only take away, it cannot grant
05:41<Internat>small logic flaw. i didnt realise that
05:41<u_>enouf, ok, you were saying su -
05:41<enouf>u_: ok .. yeah
05:41<enouf>enter root passwd
05:42<enouf>you've logged in through gdm into regular DE now?
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05:42<enouf>are you in an xterm?
05:42<enouf>no no no
05:42<enouf>close that ;-)
05:42<enouf>u_: pkill gnome-terminal
05:43<enouf>u_: crap - fire up xterm
05:43<u_>one sec, i neet to apt-get it
05:44<u_>enouf, ok, i have xterm and su - then root password
05:44<enouf>now, from there launch gnome-terminal
05:45<u_>enouf, #gnome-terminal, cannot open display
05:45<u_>enouf, i''d have to export DISPLAY or something right?
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05:46<enouf>u_: yep
05:46<enouf>u_: export DISPLAY=:0.0
05:46<u_>enouf, ahh, now it's No protocol specified
05:47<u_>enouf, can't i just open xterm and do sudo gnome-terminal ?
05:47<u_>enouf, that works
05:47<enouf>u_: see, what gdm/gnome wants you to use for root access is gksu/gksudo
05:48<enouf>u_: so " open xterm as username and do sudo gnome-terminal" works?
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05:48<u_>enouf, yes
05:48<u_>enouf, i have it opened
05:48<enouf>u_: so .. no more fading?
05:48<enouf>in gnome-terminal
05:48<u_>let me see
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05:51<u_>enouf, i guess no
05:51<enouf>define no
05:51<u_>enouf, :) it's not fading
05:51<u_>enouf, when run as root
05:52<u_>enouf, must be some user setting?
05:52<enouf>so .. create a new user, reboot, login as that user through gdm into gnome, fire up g-t
05:53<u_>enouf, i'm on it
05:53<enouf>u_: can you show me output of 'groups' as your existing username?
05:54<enouf>we'll call existing username -> user1 new-username-> user2 to avoid confusion ;-)
05:54<u_>enouf, one sec
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05:55<u_>enouf, this is the output of groups for user1: u dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev powerdev
05:55<u_>enouf, yes my user is u :)
05:55<enouf>that's fine .. er , i think :-P
05:55<enouf>utmp might not like it :-P
05:55<u_>enouf, really?
05:56<enouf>no idea
05:56<u_>enouf, so now i reboot and login through gdm with user2?
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05:57<enouf>u_: yep
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06:00<kurniawan>hai all
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06:07<enouf>u_ is user2 in all the same groups as user1 ? also, compare printenv output between user1/user2
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06:11<u__>enouf, silly thing, it's not fading with user2
06:11<u__>enouf, i don't know what to say
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06:13<enouf>u__: then i'd gather it's something in your /home/user1 .. or .. i know gdm/gnome might have stuff in /etc/ or even /usr/share/gdm
06:13<enouf>u_ is user2 in all the same groups as user1 ? also, compare printenv output between user1/user2
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06:14<u__>enouf, nope user2 has only it's own name when i run groups
06:14<u__>enouf, user1 has much more groups, like floppy and stuff
06:15<enouf>u__: if you want; dpkg-reconfigure gdm (is gdm the only choice?) install something else instead, use kdm, xdm, use them, dpkg-reconfigure <any-DM-name> should offer all installed
06:15<u__>enouf, sorry about that i mean user1 has these groups : u dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev powerdev
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06:15<fxiny>not using screen ? ahi ahi ahi
06:16<u__>enouf, i only have gdm installed
06:17<enouf>u__: so now ; usermod -a -G dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev powerdev user2
06:18<enouf>u__: so now ; usermod -a -G dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio,video,plugdev,powerdev user2 <--comma separated list
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06:20<u_>enouf, i missed what you said
06:20<enouf>u__: so now ; usermod -a -G dialout,cdrom,floppy,audio,video,plugdev,powerdev user2 <--comma separated list
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06:22<enouf>stop that u__
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06:25<enouf>stop that! u__
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06:37<lectron>i want to install gnome beside my kde on debian testing
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06:37<lectron>but not a bloated gnome like kde, but more somthing like kdebase
06:37<lectron>what do i need?
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06:39<gsimmons>lectron: 'gnome-core', probably.
06:39<gsimmons>!tell lectron -about install gnome
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06:41<lectron>thank you :)
06:42<lectron>gnome-core install a lot of dependencies
06:43<enouf>likely Recommends
06:43<lectron>can i just remove it and its dependencies without problens when i do not like gnome?
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06:46<fxiny>they are everywhere !
06:47<Matzee>hi guys, one quick question. i'm about to install dovecot and i can't create a certificate file. how do I do that? normally the ./configure and then the make and make install shoud create me a dovecot.pem file, and it doesn't so i suspect that my openssl developement package somehow doesn't work correctly. could anyone help me pls?
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06:49<fxiny>Matzee: see if this helps :
06:50<superjet_busy>it exists in debian
06:50<Matzee>thanks i'll check it out
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06:51<KCM|Poire>is there someone available to help me with Xen (on Debian Lenny) ?
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06:54<gsimmons>KCM|Poire: You'll need to describe your problem first. There is also #debian-xen on this network.
06:54<lectron>is tcp/ip activated in debian lenny?
06:54<KCM|Poire>ok gsimmons, i'll go there, and if nobody can help me, i'll come back here and describe my problem
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07:10<xubuntu>może mi ktoś pomóc w instalacji xubuntu ?
07:11<boris_>you want to install xubuntu, that's for sure
07:12<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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07:20<flof>ich bin nicht ganz so gut in debian bewand, habe dashalb eine frage:
07:21<flof>ich habe gerade debian 5.0 istallier und damit auch einen sql-server, aber anscheinend war das postgres 8, ich möchte aber mysql haben. wie kann ich postgres deinstallieren und mysql installieren?
07:22<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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07:39<ajay>hi to all,which udeb require for ethernet card at time of installation?
07:39<ajay>i am getting error as no ethernet card detected
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07:46<gsimmons>ajay: Which Ethernet card do you have?
07:46<ajay>gsimmons, rtl8139/8139c
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07:53<fxiny>8139 should be detected
07:54<fxiny>ajay: which debian flavour are you instaling ?
07:54<ajay>fxiny, debian lenny created localy
07:55<enouf>ajay: perhaps
07:55<enouf>fxiny: and gsimmons AFAIK (from hanging over in -boot) ajay is building a custom installer
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07:56<ajay>enouf, yes you are correct.i am creating customized lenny
07:56<fxiny>enouf: rtl 8139 is in the kernel since ever
07:57<valdyn>ajay: custom installer kernel?
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07:58<ajay>enouf, this time i got stuck in new debian-cd with
07:58<ajay>valdyn, no kernel is same
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07:58<valdyn>ajay: theres rt8139 and and rt8139cp iirc
07:58<valdyn>ajay: try loading manually,and check if the pci id is known to it
07:59<enouf>too and cp
07:59<valdyn>ajay: pci ids are at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap
08:00<ajay>valdyn, enouf fxiny gsimmons ..which is correct way to compile a d-i for installing debian from cd itself not other way..
08:00<enouf>sometimes, atleast on *buntu systems, they both load, and conflict
08:00<fxiny>valdyn: you are right : 8139cp 0000:00:11.0: Try the "8139too" driver instead. , 8139cp 0000:00:12.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+
08:00<fxiny>8139C+ ?
08:01*enouf hides
08:02<fxiny>it seems c is an issue : eth1: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' . B and D not C
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08:03<ajay>i always compile d-i by using make build_all and keeps all udeb in pool,but unnecesary i am including all d-i like required for netinstall etc
08:03<ajay>all d-i takes quite more space
08:03<ajay>all udebs takes more space
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08:04<ajay>how to find out udebs which require for installing from CDROM iso
08:05<fxiny>ajay: i have no space here , upgraded to lenny locally , 2.5G 2.2G 219M 91% / , axing locales and stuff like that
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08:06<fxiny>ajay: 768M of packages
08:07<ajay>fxiny, list of pkg?
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08:07<fxiny>ajay: 1078 packages
08:08<boris_>fxiny: apt-get remove; apt-get autoremove; apt-get clean; apt-get autoclean; aptitude purge '~c';
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08:09<goodxandros>oh god i messed up bad i think in the synaptic package manager
08:10<goodxandros>hahahha yeah my desktop is dead and has dissapeard
08:10<goodxandros>oh jesus
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08:11<fxiny>ajay: i did it my way and i was wrong . stew told me so i started again . upgrade takes three steps /msg dpkg etch->lenny , aptitude install aptitude will download not more then 40 packages maybe 20 , after that aptitude safe-upgrade some 500 and in the end aptitude full-upgrade , 1078 in all
08:12<fxiny>ajay: on my PII aptitude took over two minutes to sort all dependencies before starting .. best dist upgrade ever , not a single problem
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08:13<ajay>fxiny, already i downloaded complete lenny pool on my system,i like to create lenny install dvd..not to upgrade system
08:14<fxiny>ajay: i had to -d download all debs before , no room in /
08:14<fxiny>is a 2.5G old partition
08:15<fxiny>a 10 years old box
08:16<fxiny>i'm impressed by lenny aptitude , i don't care how long it takes but hell it seems aptitude has a high AI now
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08:17<ajay>what is difference between build_cdrom_isolinux and build_cdrom_gtk
08:17<ajay>which is correct for compiling d-i
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08:18<enouf>ajay: i'd think the gtk one also has some things for GUI (the various installgui , expertgui, rescuegui boot options)
08:19<enouf>ajay: why don't you read the installation guide?
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08:20<enouf>ajay: you were asking about iso-scan over in -boot channel - if you only would browse your d-i you checked out from svn ; see /trunk/packages/iso-scan/debian/iso-scan.postinst
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08:24<ajay>enouf, same make build_cdrom_gtk
08:24<ajay>sorry miss written here
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08:27<enouf>fxiny: amphi listen .. i'm noticing something odd - when you "modprobe -l | grep iso9660" do you get any hits? If not, try 'isofs' for me
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08:28<amphi>enouf: yeah, isofs.ko
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08:30<enouf>amphi: right - so why does the d-i iso-scan file README say ; # Load up every filesystem known to man. The drive could have anything. FS="ext2 ext3 ext4 reiserfs fat vfat xfs jfs iso9660 hfsplus hfs ntfs" for fs in $FS; do modprobe $fs >/dev/null 2>&1 || true
08:30<enouf>er .postinst not README
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08:30<amphi>I know not ;)
08:31<enouf>modprobe -l | egrep 'ext2|ext3|ext4|reiserfs|fat|vfat|xfs|jfs|iso9660|hfsplus|hfs|ntfs'
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08:31<enouf>and you'll see iso9660 (isofs) is missing
08:32<amphi>looks like; I'm not running a debian kernel here in any case, though
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08:32<enouf>amphi: heretic!
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08:34<PeteyWilliams>I'm having trouble getting sound to work. My sound card (Maestro3) shows up in lspci but I have no sound in any programs. I'm using XFCE if that helps.
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08:35<gsimmons>PeteyWilliams: You require firmware for your sound driver.
08:36<gsimmons>!tell PeteyWilliams -about maestro3
08:36<stuckey>How do I disable gdm at startup, so that I can edit xorg.conf, and then re-enable gdm at startup?
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08:39<enouf>stuckey: you could 'invoke-rc.d /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
08:39<stuckey>enouf: then the same but with start at the end?
08:39<enouf>er . .wait - stuckey easiest, likely would be to install rcconf, and use that to disable it
08:40<goodxandros>man im a dangerous linux user
08:40<enouf>stuckey: you should actually disable autologin, if it's set, so if/when gdm comes up, you can select "Console only" or whatever the actual choice is
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08:40<flof>i have a question:
08:41<stuckey>enouf: Oh okay... I didn't know there was an option in GDM to select console only mode. So when it boots up and I see the login thing, I can just select a console only mode?
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08:41<enouf>stuckey: you should be able to yes
08:41<stuckey>enouf: I'm going to try that... thanks.
08:41<goodxandros>i freakin tamper to much
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08:41<PeteyWilliams>Ah, thanks gsimmons. I have another problem with this laptop. I have an external monitor connected ant it shows the bootup processes but when gdm starts it kills the feed. I already tried two guides on thinkwiki but I only have one device show up in my xorg.conf
08:41<enouf>amphi: heh, the users can't even be bothered to click around anymore .. heh
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08:42<flof>how can i edit my Character size?
08:42<PeteyWilliams>How can I get it so that gdm doesn't switch to the laptop's screen only when loading?
08:43<flof>... in debian
08:43<enouf>flof: where? when? why?
08:44<flof>i have 1400x900 pixen and my Character size is to big. how i can the Character size edit?
08:44<goodxandros>change the sans
08:44<flof>sorry for my english im from germany
08:44<flof>and how?
08:44<goodxandros>my sans is at 10
08:44<valdyn>flof: in gnome?
08:45<goodxandros>uh hang on
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08:45<Danger>Hi guys, can you help me get DVD play back with VLC working for AMD x64 Lenny
08:46<flof>how i can edit?
08:46<goodxandros>im sorry im running a totaly differnt debian distro that sucks and im kinda a noob but it prob is a sans issue
08:46<enouf>flof: does pressing ctrl+alt+numkey[+/-] a few times help? pastebin output of 'xrandr'
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08:47<stuckey>enouf: there's not an option
08:47<enouf>stuckey: what are the options? that's just silly
08:47<enouf>!tell stuckey -about rcconf
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08:48<flof>enouf: it dont get.
08:48<enouf>just install that; run update-rcconf-guide , do what you need to do, re-enable gdm'll run from console - needs root/sudo
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08:48<enouf>flof: ok
08:48<goodxandros>hey im wrighting that down
08:49<Danger>If it helps guys I've managed to get it working with an i386 install of lenny using the videolan codecs, but with lenny x64 just can't get dvd play back working, it's no biggy though
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08:49<Danger>will XP in virtual box be able to play DVD's?
08:49*enouf will never understand why drxx was removed -- and this autoconf stuff is around, that appears to be broken a bit - but because there's no 'template' file, the lusers are lost
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08:51<Danger>Also I take it there's no way of Debian reading BluRay disks?
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08:52<valdyn>Danger: you need libdvdcss2 from dmm
08:52<dpkg>it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>
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08:53<Danger>thanks valdyn are you sure that works with Lenny x64 as that's what I've done already
08:53<stuckey>enouf: I used "update-rc.d -f gdm remove" and "update-rc.d -f gdm defaults". It seemed to work okday.
08:53<pwork>Hello, I installed a Debian Lenny 2 monthes ago with LVM encryption (automatically set for '/root', '/usr', '/etc', '/home' and swap nodes) and now wants to get some nodes decrypted without loosing data. I read lvremove's man page, but fear that it will not only decrypt data out of the volume group, but also delete it. Can you give me some hint to achieve this please ?
08:55<enouf>amphi: ugh ... 08:50:30] <enouf> Nevermind - for some reason, when 'isofs' is not loaded, a "modprobe iso9660" works and loads isofs.ko and friends
08:55<enouf>stuckey: right - knock yourself out
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08:55*pwork +x
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08:56<enouf>stuckey your gdm sucks smelly ass if it doesn't have a choice to login to console
08:57<Danger>if this gets stored some hints: for nvidia users you need to set your xinittab to default to 1 before installing their drivers
08:57<enouf>there is no xinittab
08:58<Danger>yes there is!
08:58<Danger>it's in etc
08:58<Danger>erm okay inittab
08:58<enouf>~$ ll /etc/xinittab
08:58<enouf>ls: /etc/xinittab: No such file or directory
08:59<enouf>Danger: an you dont need to do that - but it's one way
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08:59<Danger>thanks fella, it was the only way that worked for me, the nvid help file was less than useless so thought I'd say it here
08:59<enouf>Danger: and you mean to alter id:2:initdefault: to id:1:initdefault:
09:00<enouf>Danger: ever look at your grub menu? how about man telinit ?
09:00<Danger>not very experienced with *nix so just trying to be helpful
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09:00<enouf>see those annoying seemingly double'd entry stanzas, but they say (recovery) ?
09:01<enouf>Danger: ok - not trying to pick - just clarify ;-)
09:01<enouf>no worries - i just thought when you said xinittab, you were using a *buntu or something
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09:02<Danger>no worries, got tonnes of useful stuff from here so try to post something useful! but I did lol @ myself for xinittab!
09:02<amphi>enouf: "alias iso9660 isofs" in modules.alias ;)
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09:03<Danger>on topic is bigmem available for debian i386?
09:03<pwork>So are some of you experienced with LVM management ?
09:03<enouf>amphi: i never understood module aliases, nor the need for them
09:03<Danger>(<- he is not)
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09:04<enouf>amphi: and i never came across other ones that work that way
09:04<christo>Iw ould like to install lenny on a powerG5, can anyone help me ?
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09:04<enouf>Danger: /msg dpkg -bigmem
09:05<christo>powermac G5 has trouble with booting from lenny cd
09:05<enouf>Danger: it's only avail for i386, since that's the x86 32bit variant - the 64bit one (amd64) doesn't need PAE and such
09:05<omg_onoez>hi, if i have hdd 1TB volume and i am going to store large files there and i need to read and write it fast
09:05<omg_onoez>what fs should i choose?
09:05<amphi>enouf: I have 1400 lines in my modules.alias here ;)
09:05<omg_onoez>(sorry for my english)
09:06<enouf>amphi: now you're starting to scare me
09:06<Danger>enouf: is that WRT to dvd playback?
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09:07<Matzee>hello everyone
09:07<Danger>Danger: it's only avail for i386, since that's the x86 32bit variant - the 64bit one (amd64) doesn't need PAE and such
09:07<Matzee>is here someone who knows things about dovecot?
09:07<Matzee>I'm trying to set up dovecot on a debian/lenny environment. could someone maybe have the time to walk me through some key steps please?
09:07<enouf>christo: try the #debianppc channels, on here, and on - and mail at
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09:08<christo>enouf, thanks
09:09<ramonito2009>hello. i need help installing live-helper. my sources list seems to be missing something. i cant install live-heper or anything. can anybody point me to a realible sources.list
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09:10<pwork>ramonito2009 : Which is your Debian version ?
09:10<Danger>omg_onoez in your case I'd say look a your RAID settings rather than your fs
09:11<fxiny>enouf: 1400 ? scaring indeed , sounds so area51 ;)
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09:14<jeff_>would Debian be Newb friendly like Ubuntu, Fedora, or mint? (im familiar with all three)
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09:14<pwork>Ok, it seems that nobody has LVM experience here, too bad ;) See you
09:14<gsimmons>pwork: lvremove doesn't decrypt anything. If you wish for some logical volumes to no longer be encrypted, you'll need to recreate each LV and associated filesystem (without LUKS), then transfer your data out.
09:15<enouf>amphi: fxiny the scary part is; i think i've visited this issue not long ago :-/
09:15<pwork>gsimmons : Thanks for method steps mate
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09:15<enouf>specifically that iso9660 vs isofs
09:15<Danger>jeff_ it is IMO, but you might want to look at <throw up> Ubuntu </Throw up>
09:16<Danger>I like to think of Ubuntu as the cartoon version of linux but just IMO
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09:17<fxiny>jeff_: as the wrote "no straight kacket" here :P
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09:17<pwork>gsimmons : Can one use 'vgexport someLvName' and 'vgimport someLvName' to backup from the LUKS LV and restore to the standard ext3 LV ?
09:18<jeff_>well, Ive been using ubuntu for about 7 months- obviouly not a pro- mint, is very similar....
09:18<gsimmons>pwork: Absolutely not.
09:18<Danger>Well if you're a user of Debian based Distro then Debian makes sense
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09:19<Danger>Opensuse 11.1 is just out, so might be worth a look, if it wasn't crap, but unfortunatley it is
09:20<pwork>gsimmons : I do this because I manage my Debian computer from a remote mouse/keyboard (synergy software) and needs to get access to the machine before the LUKS password prompt. So, network, openvpn, and synergy must not be encrypted at boot time.
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09:21<fxiny>pwork: luks and remote ? have you been at ?
09:21<pwork>fxiny : No, I do a quick search now
09:21<Danger>So what are all the Debian guys running hardware wise?
09:21<fxiny>pwork: there is something about luks and remote
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09:22<Danger>If one of you have a working USB wireless card I'll faint right now
09:23<gsimmons>Danger: You can go ahead and start.
09:23<Danger>ha ha ha
09:23<Danger>I wish
09:23<urke>I'm new in Debian world and need help to compile CAPT driver for Canon i-SENSYS printer, but getting problem with dpkg-buildpackage
09:23<Danger>hardware wise, I will Phenom X3 8GB DDR, on here chatting on my macboo tho :(
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09:24<Danger>^^ DDR 2 that should be, so what about you lot then!
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09:24<urke>I compiled and installed cndrvcups-common_1.80-2_amd64.deb but now getting error: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: couldn't find library /usr/lib/ needed by debian/cndrvcups-capt/usr/bin/captmoncnab9 (its RPATH is '').
09:25<Matzee>could someone give me any help with dovecot mailserver config?
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09:26<ml>urke see if that lib is in aptitude
09:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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09:28<Danger>dpkg -install shutup
09:28<dpkg>Danger: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
09:28<Danger>ha ha
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09:32<urke>ml, that lib is installed in host /usr/lib with package cndrvcups-common_1.80-2_amd64.deb I compiled and installed right before compiling this cndrvcups-capt
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09:32<pwork>Some quote for LUKS encryption advantages :) : "You leave the USB drive at home and some jerk breaks into your house, steals your drive, rapes your wife, and kills your kids? No problem."
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09:34<pwork>fxiny : In this article, only '/root' is LUKS encrypted, so access to '/etc' and '/usr' is possible. I will need to remove them from VG anyway ;)
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09:35<fxiny>pwork: i have a full LUKS encrypted system , no lvm : what's your problem ?
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09:36<pwork>fxiny : If you have a LUKS encrypted system, you have a volume group and logical volumes ?!? No ? I explained my issue up in the chat ;)
09:37<fxiny>pwork: lateral thinking : mine is a cloned system . i set the layr up and i'0ve cloned it .
09:37<fxiny>so you can do the same with lvm
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09:37<fxiny>lvm is not an issue
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09:37<pwork>fxiny : Ok
09:38<fxiny>pwork: so yoiu can do anything you want as long as you know where the vital luks files are
09:38<fxiny>including how to create initram
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09:48<pwork>fxiny : Sorry if I sound stubborn, but I'm a very average linux user and so, don't get it all. At boot, only '/boot' is reachable before cryptsetup asks password. So, I aim to build a new initramfs to get a hook on boot process before cryptsetup password prompt yeah, but it will need to access '/usr' and '/etc' to start network, start openvpn server and synergyc client, and those nodes are encrypted at this boot moment.
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09:48<Tekno>How can I start gnome-terminal with predefined charset
09:49<Tekno>iso8859-15 for example
09:50<fxiny>pwork: i am a user . yes only boot is unencrypted , ext2 fs . initram knows where root is because you build it accordingly. then you have cryptab , fstab and keys
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09:51<fxiny>you can load an encrypted partition or an unencrypted partition , think about swap . mine is encrypted byut i can make it unencrypted if i want
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09:53<pwork>fxiny : Anyway, I'll need to provide the password to get access to '/etc' and '/usr' data
09:53<pwork>fxiny : Unless those nodes are put on non-encrypted LV in the VG
09:54<fxiny>pwork: is that a remote box ? no maintenance system ? i mean a normal small system ?
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09:54<pwork>fxiny : Yes, it's a normal small system. I just try to get access to it from a LAN remote keyboard
09:55<pwork>fxiny : And getting this access before cryptsetup pwd prompt
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09:56<pwork>fxiny : Getting access includes : starting the network, the openvpn server, and then the synergy client
09:56<enouf>boot a livecd
09:56<fxiny>is remote
09:57<enouf>LAN and remote don't jive :-P
09:57<pwork>enouf : It's a "every day" use ;) So live CD doesn't fit well
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09:58<pwork>A single screen is plugged in laptop and in desktop computers. Then, the laptop is closed on the ground since I don't have much space, and I control it with the desktop computer keyboard and mouse
09:59<pwork>So it's "remote", but I get physical access on it :)
09:59<fxiny>pwork: i can mount any encrypted partitions from a normal system . remember i am a user but if i have to set a remote luks system , i certainly install a "maintenance" base-install only+cryptsetup next to boot in case of trouble. i boot that and i mount my luks partitions no porbs
10:00<fxiny>250MB is enough
10:01<pwork>fxiny : Ok, so a solution would be to install a second linux on the HDD, and to manually/scriptly mount partitions after boot.
10:01<enouf>thinks about kexec possible uses
10:01<fxiny>pwork: no . the solution is asking a guru first
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10:02<pwork>fxiny : thanks, didn't know this app
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10:02<fxiny>pwork: users like me can have ideas , gurus are authoritative
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10:03<pwork>jandremendesc : ola
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10:03<pwork>fxiny : hey, all nickname start with a "j" : Java Gurus ?
10:04<fxiny>java sucks :P
10:04<fxiny>c rulez
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10:06<pwork>Ok, so if a jGuru did follow the discussion, what does he think of possible solutions ?
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10:07<fxiny>pwork: i think a new initram can do it , i was told long ago to use initram instead of a "maintenance" partition , is still in my todo list
10:07<mallards>what are all the /dev/tty[1-63] used for?
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10:08<mallards>i know they are virtual terminals but what do they do? when are they used?
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10:08<pwork>mallards : I think it(s "terminal" devices, and that sTty are "serial terminal" devices
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10:09<pwork>mallards : oups, sorry, don't torture me, don't know much than you ;)
10:09<fxiny>pwork: i'll be back in 20
10:09<pwork>fxiny : no pb, thanks for your time
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10:12<valdyn>mallards: ttyX are local consoles, you dont really need most of those
10:12<pwork>mallards : Google told that --> "/dev/tty[number] are virtual consoles, you can switch through them by press ctrl + left alt + f1-f7 (normal linux system has seven virtual consoles)."
10:13<pwork>mallards : Just tried it --> Current console is '/dev/tty7'
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10:13<valdyn>mallards: now you are free to spawn as many as you want, so you *could* use them all
10:14<pwork>mallards : tty1 to chat with wife1, tty2 to chat with wife2 : no errors possible, very useful
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10:18<mallards>so for a headless - ssh-only system you will never use most of them
10:19<pwork>gsimmons : VG has etc, usr, home LG and is set on sdax : If I want to get etc and usr non-encrypted, and accessible in '/etc/rc.x' at boot time, before cryptsetup pwd prompt, do I need to move these nodes on other sdax partitions, out of the VG so, or can i just let them non-encrypted in the VG ?
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10:21<gsimmons>pwork: You have /etc in its own LV?
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10:22<pwork>gsimmons : Yes, sda2 is in the only VG, and each node is in its own LG
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10:23<pwork>gsimmons : '/dev/machinename-vg/etc'
10:23<pwork>gsimmons : '/dev/machinename-vg/swap', and so on
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10:24<pwork>(L"V" sorry)
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10:25<kire>que onda
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10:26<zumbi>!tell kire about es
10:26<kire>es cribe bien
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10:33<pR>hellow :]
10:34<pwork>pR : hello
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10:34<gsimmons>pwork: Is root (/) still an encrypted LV in your setup?
10:34<pwork>gsimmons : Yes, I have '/dev/machinename-vg/root' too
10:35<pwork>gsimmons : only /boot is non-encrypted
10:35<orochi>hello :> i'm using debian lenny, it's been working out great since i first installed it...however, the pre-packaged nvidia drivers don't support opengl 3.0 for my card, is there any way that i can easily switch out the prepackaged drivers for the official ones?
10:35<gsimmons>pwork: I'm not sure if what you are asking for is possible. AIUI, you'll be asked to provide the passphrase for your encrypted root, before other filesystems (encrypted or otherwise) are mounted at their respective points.
10:36<pwork>orochi : Uninstall debian's prepackaged nvidia drivers, and manually get and install the .sh from nvidia
10:36<orochi>pwork: Ahh, that's all there is to it? The last time I asked about this people in the channel told me in no uncertain terms not to use nvidia's official installer...for some reason :>
10:37<pwork>gsimmons : Ok, I can unencrypt /root, /etc, /usr and so on (I just want to keep /home and swap encrypted)
10:37<pwork>pwork : But I wonder if I have to put them on one other sdx partition, or if can let them in the sda2 VG
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10:39<pwork>gsimmons : I fear the cryptsetup passwor prompt manages the whole VG. So, if I let unencrypted LV in this VG, I wonder if I'll be able to access them (start network and so on) before pwd prompt
10:40<pwork>orochi : I have an ATI GPU, and did it : official drivers install, it worked flawlessly
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10:41<orochi>pwork: interesting, i'll have to give it a test run on my laptop later on before i try it on my desktop...the desktop hasn't been rebooted in 46 days, stable as hell
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10:41<gsimmons>pwork: No. Think of the VG as an administrative unit. It is the LV which contains the respective (un)encrypted filesystem.
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10:41<pwork>orochi : Maybe is there special issues with Nvidia official linux drivers and Debian, I'm not knowledged about it
10:42<pR>wow wow no russians in here ?
10:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
10:42<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>.
10:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:43<orochi>wow, dpkg's Ubuntu line is a whole lot less vitriolic than it used to be ;> whoever manages the bot must have been in a good mood that day
10:43<pwork>gsimmons : Thanks :)) So I 'dd' all needed LV data now, remove encrypted LV with lvremove, and will then create new unencrypted LV, that will be feed with the 'dd' backed up data.
10:44<pwork>gsimmons : That way, I'll hopefully be able to edit the '/etc/rcx.d' process to start network and needed stuff before cryptsetup pwd prompt
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10:45<enouf>pwork: don't forget about possible need for /tmp and /var
10:45<pwork>pR : French, but I'll share some good old Iron Maiden's "Mother Russia" with you :)
10:46<pR>yeh yeh u win take a cake
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10:46<pwork>enouf : I will only let '/home' and swap encrypted :) In fact, I thought that all LVs data was decrypted when booting, so that it was simple to tell debian not to encrypt it back at shutdown
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10:47<pwork>'was wrong
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10:48<bkw>Isn't correct usb image when I'm going to boot debian-500-amd64-netinst.iso? When I booted installation from usbstick I got a message about module/kernel mismatch
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10:48<enouf>IINM, and not sure this applies to all encryption schemes, basically the VGs/LVs/partitions whatever is the 'FS' is mounted 'ro', then a copy of it is loaded as a COW FS with encryption - something lke that -- feel free to correct me anyone
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10:50<sun>hi i am on a website and it wants me to install java runtime env, and redirects iceweasel to sun's website to download and sudo install. id rather use one of the ones listed under aptitude, which is the best for all-purpose webbrowsing? do they all automatically work under iceweasel?
10:50<valdyn>enouf: encryption schemes work on block device layer, not fs layer
10:50<pwork>I found no HowTo on google to get a LV persistently decrypted : hope there won't be data loss
10:51<fxiny>enouf: first you luksOpen the device , then you kame you fs on it like mkfs.ext3 /dev/mapper/home
10:51<enouf>valdyn: good to know - ok - then i must revise my thinking about it - but sure, an VG/LV/mdadm/dm are all block devices
10:52<valdyn>enouf: a vg is not a block device
10:52<enouf>valdyn: even if they are virtualized, rather than physical
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10:52<fxiny>lvm does not matter
10:52<valdyn>enouf: right
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10:52<Matzee>i might be asking a stupid question. is debian using mbox or maildir ? :)
10:52<enouf>fxiny: thanks - you da man ;-)
10:52<valdyn>enouf: virtualised block devies are just problematic regarding encryption
10:52<fxiny>pwork: make sure you are not dding an enclyoted bolume
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10:54<pwork>fxiny : I plan to mount each LV from a Ubuntu live CD, and to back it up to a NTFS mass storage device partition from it
10:55<pwork>(with the ntfs-3g fs)
10:55<valdyn>sun: install a package like sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin
10:55<fxiny>pwork: be careful : ntfs permissions on your way , tarball it first
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10:56<fxiny>pwork: can't you add new unencrypted volumes ? and just clone it over m remove the enclytion and put it back ?
10:56<fxiny>f* i need to fix my eyes
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10:57<bkw>Isn't boot.img.gz compatible with debian-500-amd64-netinst.iso?
10:57<fxiny>pwork: and , how many passwords are you using ? why not just one ?
10:58<pwork>fxiny : I use just one, it's the same for all LVs
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10:58<valdyn>bkw: or you are trying to use the i386 boot.img with amd64 iso
10:58<pwork>fxiny : Defined in debians setup steps ;)
10:58<valdyn>bkw: what was your complete error message?
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10:59<fxiny>pwork: i use keyes in /etc/cryptkeys/
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11:01<bkw>valdyn: is the one I tried to use. I got a message about that no kernel modules was found when it's searching for an iso
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11:02<fxiny>pwork: looking for the LUKS/suspend/loss-of-data issue i found this interesting site : , have a look at it
11:03<pwork>fxiny, gsimmons, enouf : Here is the content of '/etc/crypttab' : sda2_crypt /dev/sda2 none luks . That's why I was wondering if new non-encrypted LV in this VG would be reachable before pwd prompt.
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11:04<pwork>But it's okat for that point
11:04<pwork>fxiny : thanks
11:05<fxiny>pwork: none means no keyes , this is with keyes : instead of none --> /etc/cryptkeys/root.key
11:05<fxiny>one cryptab line like that for every device
11:06<Danger>fxiny is there no end to your debian knowledge?
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11:06<fxiny>Danger: debian is beautiful , i say it again : i am a debian user
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11:07<fxiny>Danger: i happy like this
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11:09<Danger>he he good to hear fxiny, I'm a happy Debian user too. Just my BluRay drive might was well be in the bin with it!
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11:09<pwork>fxiny : Ok, so I could simply put the password in a file to avoid the cryptsetup boot prompt ;) Sounds easy, but not good at all for security purpose
11:10<valdyn>Danger: because you cant read blueray movies?
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11:10<valdyn>Danger: blue ray data disk should work fine
11:10<Danger>I can't read them, or play them!
11:10<valdyn>Danger: that doesnt make sense
11:10<valdyn>Danger: blue ray drives dont need extra drivers
11:10<Danger>Hmm.... well I can't seem to read them,
11:11<Danger>Lenny x64 AMD, just wont read them at all
11:11<valdyn>Danger: why cant you? whats not working?
11:11<Danger>one sec I'll get you the exact problem
11:11<fxiny>pwork: you must give one password . there are alternatives like usb or smartcards
11:12<bkw>valdyn: seem to be a kernel mismatch between installation kernel and the iso kernel. it failes to load modules
11:12<valdyn>bkw: what is the precise error message?
11:12<fxiny>Danger: patience is the name of the game . all things will be sorted out , or you'll get the solution , is always been like this .
11:13<pwork>fxiny : Ok, and the password you type is checked against the '/etc/cryptkeys/somefile.key'. What is it checked against when there is no such '*.key' file ?
11:13<pwork>(in my case, so far)
11:13<Danger>fxing I know if only there was a patch for my impatience
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11:15<fxiny>pwork: if i understand you unencrypt a large container , i have single encrypted partitions so if i do the none way i must type one pass for every device
11:15<bkw>valdyn: No kernel modules were found. this probably is due to a mismatch between kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive
11:16<valdyn>bkw: or you using an i386 boot.img with an amd64 iso
11:16<valdyn>bkw: you can see which kernel is booting, you can also check the files on that iso
11:16<pwork>fxiny : Ok, so when using 'none', the whole all LVs have the same pwd, and pwd is stored in one other place
11:17<Danger>valdyn Just tried "The Matrix" bluray, and it can't mount it
11:17<valdyn>bkw: and wheres that initrd again with your installing method
11:17<valdyn>Danger: its encrypted
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11:17<Danger>So there is no way for me to mount it, or play it?
11:17<valdyn>Danger: you need a for pay licensed blueray player
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11:18<Danger>I have one, for windows
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11:18<valdyn>Danger: i dont know if you can buy one for linux
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11:18<Danger>Cheers anyhow valdyn
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11:19<valdyn>Danger: most likely not i would guess because linux does not exactly make vendor drm easy
11:19<metalqga>fsck.vfat -t usually takes a looong time? (20G) partition
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11:19<fxiny>pwork: no : say yiou have a partition encrypted , you run : cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/hdxxx home you give the pass now , check ls /dev/mapper , you see the device --> "control home" and you mount it mount /dev/mapper/home /mnt/point
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11:20<pwork>fxiny : thanks :) ready for reboot and backup now
11:20<valdyn>Danger: id be surprised if you could play the blueray disk in linux anyway, since its very cpu intensive
11:20<Danger>Random extra question, when running pretty "standard" perl scripts I see no performance difference from 64bit Lenny over 32Bit lenny - is that normal?
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11:20<valdyn>Danger: yes
11:21<pwork>Thanks for help, I'll be back here when non-encrypted LV will be okay ;) Go for a Ubuntu live CD journey
11:21<Danger>valdyn - I can play them in windows, only got a Phenom X3 @ 2.3 but it works fine
11:21<pwork>See you
11:21<Danger>thanks valdyn
11:21<valdyn>Danger: that is because every gfx chip supports hardware accelration for these video codecs
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11:21<bkw>valdyn: I write to sdb and copy the netinst(a64) iso to the stick, just according to the manual
11:21<valdyn>Danger: but you would have no hardware acceleration on linux
11:22<valdyn>Danger: s/every/every new/
11:22<bkw>valdyn: alt+f2 and uname gives 2.6.26-1-amd64
11:22<Danger>valdyn I thought as I'd installed the correct nvidia drivers that would not be a problem
11:22<valdyn>Danger: you thought wrong
11:22<Danger>ha ha :)
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11:22<Danger>thanks for letting know :)
11:23<valdyn>Danger: nvidia has a patched mplayer that adds that hw acceleration
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11:23<valdyn>Danger: xine is working on that too, mythtv too, but i doubt any of that is in debian yet
11:24<Danger>sounds great, best keep track of those developments, great to know though, thanks mate
11:24<bkw>valdyn: doesnt the installation kernel(2.6.26-1-am64) match the kernel in the lenny netinst iso?
11:25<Danger>for some reason I thought VLC player would be the first to add that support
11:25<bkw>maybe the boot.img is too new
11:25<valdyn>Danger: nvidia did select mplayer
11:25<valdyn>bkw: hardly, its not finding the modules, its not finding modules that dont match
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11:27<bkw>valdyn: Strange, it should work. Anyway I'll write the netiso to a cd.
11:28<Danger>valdyn that fair enough, in fairness to nvidia I was pleased to see that their drivers where so simple to install, I've had problems with ATI drivers in the past, and lenny and compix worked great... shame that the HD "bits" aren't working yet
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11:28<Danger>compix = compiz
11:28<valdyn>Danger: oh, it works
11:28<valdyn>Danger: its not in debian yet
11:28<Danger>valdyn what distro are you using where it works then?
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11:29<valdyn>Danger: i built my own mplayer
11:29<fxiny>valdyn: a pathced mplayer ? is nvidia supporting foss developpers ?
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11:29<Danger>ha ha awesome work valdyn
11:29<valdyn>fxiny: the vdpau api is open, the mplayer patch is free
11:29<valdyn>fxiny: free as in libre
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11:30<Danger>the term libre confuses me, article in Linux Format this month kept using it without explaining what it means
11:30<valdyn>fxiny: and the results are excellent, but its a pity that every hardware vendor will be having its own api
11:30<debianforlife>how can I access tty on my machine from ssh?
11:31<valdyn>Danger: its free as in freedom
11:31<valdyn>debianforlife: to do what?
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11:32<debianforlife>what I want to do is start x from ssh on my desktop so i can watch a movie, i'm to lazy to actually get up and go to the kerboard...
11:32<Danger>you can use vncserver to do this?
11:32<valdyn>debianforlife: you can start x from ssh
11:32<debianforlife>i have a remote screen
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11:32<debianforlife>valdyn, how?
11:33<valdyn>debianforlife: "starx2
11:33<e|>startx ?
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11:33<valdyn>debianforlife: "startx"
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11:33<debianforlife>you can only run startx from a tty
11:33<debianforlife>which is why i want to access the tty from ssh...
11:33<valdyn>debianforlife: because you configured it to be like that
11:33<Danger>^^ he is right
11:33<valdyn>debianforlife: thats ridiculous
11:34<debianforlife>well then, how do i fix it?
11:34<valdyn>debianforlife: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
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11:38<Danger>okay valdyn so I have a host machine with deb lenny and a virtual box client using fed 10 when I type ip addr on the fed box I get no valid ip address back for it, whats that all about
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11:38<Danger>I can connect to the deb host, but not the other way round
11:39<Danger>so annoying
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11:43<debianite>Hi, I'm installing Lenny from the net install cd but it stops after retriving the last file from the server, any ideas why?
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11:46<user01>hi has anyone found a free (receiving) electronic fax service that sends faxes in a format readable by some native linux app in debian?
11:47<user01>i read a blog that jfx files can supposedly be read by evince
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11:58<Lance4>hi again
11:59<Lance4>got another question
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12:01<Lance4>I have debian 5.0 on a dell inspiron 1000 and I'm lost on how to install flash player for it
12:01<Lance4>anyone know how?
12:01<fxiny>from dmm
12:01<Tekno>it has flsh player already
12:01<Lance4>yea but the better one
12:01<Lance4>the adobe one
12:01<Tekno>sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
12:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
12:02<Lance4>I tried that all ready
12:02<Lance4><adobe flash>
12:02<ansgar>Lance4: flashplugin-nonfree is only in unstable. It was not release with Lenny.
12:03<Lance4>it says I can use the testing version
12:03<zumbi>!tell Lance4 about adobeflash
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12:04<zumbi>!tell Lance4 about adobe flash
12:04<Lance4>from the site "At the time of writing (2009-02), there is no lenny-backports for flashplugin-nonfree, like there was for Etch below. (which is the recommended way to install flashplayer).
12:04<Lance4>Until then you can use the DebianTesting hint below."
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12:04<fxiny>dmm provides flashplayer-mozilla
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12:05<fxiny>if you have resources try the free ones
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12:05<fxiny>ram cpu
12:06<fxiny>ram , cpu , beer :P
12:06<Lance4>I have 512mb and a Celeron Intel CPU
12:06<fxiny>so why not trying the free implementation first ?
12:07<Lance4>I did
12:07<dpkg>methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>
12:07<fxiny>get flashplayer-mozilla there , then
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12:08<k1lumin4t1>has anybody around upgraded KDE 4.1 to KDE 4.2 to Debian Sid/Experimental?
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12:08<fxiny>add it to your sources.list , aptitude update && aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
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12:09<SnoFox>Is Lenny still considered "testing"?
12:10<Maulkin>testing is now squeeze
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12:10<Lance4>what do I put in soruces.list?
12:11<Lance4>I look and I can't find the line(s) I put
12:11<Tekno>just install .deb from
12:11<Tekno>easiest way
12:11<fxiny>wrong , dmm takes cares of upgrades for you
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12:14<Lance4>so I can install flashplugin-nonfree for debian 5.0 lenny?
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12:14<bighornram>using gnome with alsa mixer, how do I change bass/treble ?
12:14<Tekno>19:12:13< Tekno>
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12:15<Tekno>works in lenny
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12:15<Lance4>ok brb then
12:15<TheLevy23>can anyone help me?
12:15<Lance4>oh w8 do I uninstall the other flash plugin that was pre-installed?
12:16<Tekno>sudo apt-get purge swfdec-mozilla
12:16<Lance4>w8 i thought it was su for root
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12:17<TheLevy23>i can't seem to get 5.1 speakers
12:17<TheLevy23>and on windows they work
12:17<TheLevy23>here all i can hear is 2.1
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12:17<cahoot>TheLevy23: if you try speaker-test -t wav -D surround51 -c6 ?
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12:18<TheLevy23>ALSA lib conf.c:3079:(snd_config_update_r) hooks failed, removing configuration
12:18<TheLevy23>Playback open error: -22,Invalid argument
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12:19<cahoot>TheLevy23: speaker-test -t wav -c6 ?
12:19<Lance4>hey it shows that it removed gnome
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12:19<TheLevy23>what can i do?
12:19<altair>I've a question. I've installed KDE4 on my lenny and then alsa packages but alsaconf doesn't exist... Do you how to install from scratch the audio support on Debian?
12:20<Lance4>I typed "su" Than "apt-get purge swfdec-mozilla" and it removed gnome
12:20<lectron>i have a serious question and do not want to start a flame ;)
12:20<Lance4>is that bad?
12:20<lectron>why is the ubuntu gnome so slow compared to the debian gnome?
12:20<lectron>i tried both
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12:20<Tekno>ubuntu has zillion services etc running at background
12:21<phealy>having a weird gnome problem - the association for .desktop files seems to have gone missing - double clicking one on the desktop opens it in a text editor instead of running the program. this is on unstable. anyone know here or should I find a gnome channel?
12:22<lectron>Tekno: can you please name some?
12:22<Lance4>hey Tekno the line: sudo apt-get purge swfdec-mozilla"
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12:22<Tekno>Lance4: ?
12:22<Lance4>got rid of my gnome
12:22<Lance4>what now?
12:22<Tekno>install gnome back then
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12:23<Lance4>apt-get install gnome?
12:23<gsimmons>altair: alsaconf is in the 'alsa-utils' package. You're required to run this script as root.
12:23<altair>I'm root when i'm trying
12:23<TheLevy23>i don't understand what should i do
12:23<altair>I'll check if alsa-utils in correctly installed...
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12:24<TheLevy23>please i need help
12:24<TheLevy23>it's very annoying
12:24<Lance4>hmm... it reinstalls swfdec-modzilla when I type: apt-get install gnome
12:25<Tekno>dependencies :/
12:25<phealy>lance4: because gnome requires it?
12:25<Tekno>btw gnome is just a metapackage
12:25<Tekno>it doesnt actually remove anything
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12:25<Tekno>or does it ? :/
12:25<altair>gsimmons: my alsa-utils in fine but alsaconf is a "command not found"
12:26<phealy>tekno: if you remove that and then do an autoremove things can get ugly ;)
12:26<phealy>later all
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12:27<Lance4>so will it still work the flashplayer-nonfree?
12:27<altair>gsimmons: I'm wondwring if there is a way to remove all the audio related packages and redo all the alsa installation
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12:28<valdyn>altair: thats pretty pointless
12:28<valdyn>altair: alsaconf is in a specific package that you can install
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12:28<valdyn>altair: and linux-sound-base depends on everything you need for sound
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12:28<altair>I'm trying to install it
12:29<cahoot>shouldn't really need alsaconf
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12:29<altair>but I search a way to configure my ESS alegro
12:30<valdyn>altair: why would you need to "configure" it? what are you trying to do?
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12:30<altair>ehmm It doesn't work
12:30<gsimmons>altair: What Debian version are you using?
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12:30<Lance4>I like to play flash games is there a easy to install plugin for that?
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12:31<Lance4>so can I still use that with the other flash plugins?
12:31<valdyn>altair: whats the output of "aplay /dev/urandom"
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12:31<altair>It was a Lenny since the last apt-get upgrade with a sources.list full of stable testing and experimental repositories
12:31<altair>now it's an ibrid...
12:31<altair>'cause I add kde4 on my lenny
12:32<cahoot>and sound is your main problem?
12:32<altair>ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'
12:32<altair>the last was the first line of the output requested
12:32<gsimmons>altair: Are you aware that ESS Maestro3/Allegro devices now require firmware?
12:33<jrabbit>why the hell did you add experimental without pinning?
12:33<altair>I know I do a mistake
12:33<altair>but after a lot of trying.. you know
12:33<valdyn>altair: paste the output of dmesg
12:33<valdyn>altair: on a paste sit
12:33<valdyn>altair: on a paste site
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12:34<altair>what is a paste site?
12:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:34<altair>ah ok i read
12:34<altair>let me try
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12:36<altair>this is my dmesg
12:36<altair>a paste site...really interesting
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12:36<valdyn>altair: [ 943.314198] firmware: requesting ess/maestro3_assp_kernel.fw
12:36<gsimmons>altair: See lines 294 and 307 of your paste. You need firmware.
12:37<dpkg>The snd-maestro3 ALSA driver now requires firmware for its operation. Refer to the procedure at
12:37<valdyn>altair: so you dont have the firmware
12:37<altair>ok I'm trying
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12:37<altair>I think It will be hard
12:37<valdyn>gsimmons: why didnt it require firmware before?
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12:37<bighornram>is there an equalizer that can be used with alsa in squeeze?
12:37<gsimmons>valdyn: Because it used to be included in the driver.
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12:38<valdyn>bighornram: not if your soundcard does not have one
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12:39<bighornram>hmm, so if it doesn't show available it the card probably doesn't support it?
12:39<Lance4>ok I think I'm good
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12:39<altair>this service is very useful, I'm downloading the firmware.
12:39<valdyn>bighornram: equalizers could be done in software, but i dont see one
12:40<valdyn>bighornram: xmms includes an equalizer for itself, as might different players
12:40<bighornram>valdyn: hmm this dell xps m1330 sounds like a 56 chevy.
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12:43<EmleyMoor>I keep doing that
12:43<lectron>how can i see which services are cureently running?
12:44<valdyn>lectron: netstat -plunt
12:44<EmleyMoor>Is there a good digital TV card that works in Debian and also has at least composite input?
12:44<lectron>valdyn: doesn't show all
12:44<valdyn>lectron: nothing will show all
12:44<krisfremen>lectron: services --status-all
12:45<lectron>and this one doesn't work :)
12:45<krisfremen>wait... that one was for fedora.. oops xD
12:45<valdyn>lectron: thinking in terms of "services" is probably a windows idea
12:46<valdyn>lectron: you can list all network services with netstat -plunt
12:46<lectron>not only network
12:46<krisfremen>too many distros, too many commands... hard to keep track :D
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12:46<lectron>i see :)
12:47<valdyn>lectron: what are you missing in netstat -plunt though?
12:48<altair>it works!! my ess alegro is workin
12:48<altair>thank you very much
12:48<lectron>i wanted to see all daemons/services whoch are just running, not only there related to network
12:48<valdyn>lectron: a daemon is not really much different from a non-daemon
12:48<valdyn>lectron: the actual difference is tiny
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12:49<valdyn>lectron: users on a desktop spawn various daemons that you dont need to care about too
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12:50<lectron>and how can i see now which ones are running?
12:50<lectron>i mean this
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12:51<valdyn>lectron: they talk about a subset of daemons there
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12:51<pwork>Sorry, I'm with Ubuntu's Xchat and can't see users list to find back previous helping people :) I backed up all LV through 'cryptsetup luksOpen', 'mount -o ro' and 'tar'
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12:52<lectron>can you please repeat ? :)
12:52<valdyn>lectron: hmm?
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12:52<lectron>what you said before i leaved
12:53<valdyn>18:51 < valdyn> lectron: they talk about a subset of daemons there
12:53<lectron>yes i want to know which of them are actually activated on my debian
12:53<lectron>or enabled
12:53<pwork>Is that better to backup with 'dd' (without mounting so), or to backup with 'tar' + 'mount -o ro' ?
12:53<valdyn>lectron: you want to know which services are started from /etc/init.d/ when you boot up?
12:54<valdyn>lectron: things in there are not even all daemons, even though they are services
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12:54<lectron>and what is running in the background after the login
12:54<valdyn>lectron: ps aux lists everything running
12:54<tcsetattr>lectron, how about running pstree and just take a look at how all the processes are related? the ones you can't identify as part of your login session are the daemons
12:54<rebelworm1>hi everyone
12:55<tcsetattr>and any that are in doubt, just take their name and "man" it
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12:55<valdyn>lectron: if you ignore the programs run by your physical users you got a list of system "programs" running
12:55<pwork>rebelworm1: hi
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12:55<rebelworm1>i have just joined the site today
12:55<lectron>thank you
12:56<valdyn>lectron: and processes in [ ] is kernel threads
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12:57<valdyn>lectron: 69 kernel threads on my system
12:57<rebelworm1>i need some info on setting my tank up can anyone help?
12:57<pwork>If I did a 'tar' on a partition node (assume it's /usr) from Ubuntu live CD, will there be rights problems or other issues when restoring it after ?
12:57<lectron>what is portmap?
12:59<tcsetattr>portmap is common infrastructure for several different services that use RPC. Try using "aptitude why portmap" to find out what needs it
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13:01<tcsetattr>did "aptitude why portmap" give an answer? I'm curious, since I can't think of anything that a "normal" user would have installed that needs it
13:02<tcsetattr>oh, maybe fam.
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13:03<lectron>k3b and fam
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13:07<pwork>gsimmons: I backed up all LV in tarballs. Now, I just wonder which LV to remove from VG : I just need to access network, openvpn and synergyc. VG contains 6 LV : /, /usr, /var, /tmp, /home and swap. Iyo, which are to be removed for those to start before cryptsetup prompt ?
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13:08<pwork>gsimmons: Even if I remove /, /usr, /var and /tmp, won't I be prompted too early for swap access ?
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13:09<EmleyMoor>I can't get any pictures out of zapping - and trying teletext on it crashes it
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13:09<EmleyMoor>When I start it I get these errors:
13:10<EmleyMoor>Cannot restore previous mode: /usr/sbin/zapping_setup_fb failed. DMA is not possible on screen 0.
13:11<EmleyMoor>Cannot start capturing: /build/buildd/zapping-0.10~cvs6/src/tveng25.c:map_xbuffers:2578: ioctl VIDIOC_REQBUFS failed: 0, Success
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13:11<lectron>which packages will be in lenny backports?
13:11<lectron>any idea?
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13:12<Maulkin>lectron: most of them?
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13:12<pwork>fxiny: Yeah! found back your nick :) If you can read what I just asked to gsimmons 10 lines up from here, what is your opinion ?
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13:27<pwork>fxiny: Ok, I just understood that encrypted volumes have nothing related with LUKS encryption :) It's just a container setup.
13:27<pwork>fxiny: Ok, I just understood that LVM have nothing related with LUKS encryption :) It's just a container setup.
13:28<fxiny>pwork: one question : can you run an unencrypted system , with some extra space home tmp whatever , call it anything you want (lvm. partition) it does not matter what , but encrypted and automagically mounted at boot ?
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13:29<fxiny>pwork: it seems to me you start building from the roof :)
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13:30<lectron>how most of them?
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13:32<pwork>fxiny: I don't understand what you mean :) "can you run an unencrypted system", "but encrypted at boot" --> In what I plan, just '/home' and swap will be encrypted. I try to get other previous encrypted LV decrypted, to be able starting services before cryptsetup pwd prompet
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13:33<pwork>fxiny: I'm ready to lvremove backup-up encrypted LV, and then lvcreate and feed them back with backed-up data
13:33<fxiny>pwork: no ? so start running a normal system and add manually an encrypted partition to it , then mount this partition at boot , automagically
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13:34<pwork>fxiny: I can't reinstall Debian from scratch :) Too much configuration work on it ;) When I first used Linux (Mandrake), I formatted HDD when encountering something difficult, now I try not to do so
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13:36<fxiny>pwork: go to . there are two nice LUKS tutorials , one is luks+lvm from scratch , read 'em and you'll be able to do what you want , trust me
13:36<pwork>fxiny: Ok ;) Thanks for help
13:36<fxiny>pwork: with debian is actually possible building from the roof :)
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13:41<toktok>clue -
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13:43<pwork>fxiny: The roof is on fire
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13:45<fxiny>pwork: party time : burning down the house ;)
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13:46<Guest201>Can anyone reccomend a firewall? there are loads to choice and I just want a simple and secure one.
13:47<cahoot>yuo're sure you need one?
13:47<pwork>fxiny: xD Answer posted in a little hour
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13:49<Guest201>I guess it is wise to install a firewall for a belt and braces approach
13:52<pwork>gsimmons: when I 'vgdisplay', "format mentions "lvm2", so I believe that a non-encrypted logical volume shouldn't be placed in this VG but in a new one, and that the password handles the whole VG. Sounds good ?
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13:54<pwork>gsimmons: Sorry, once more, I confused LVM with LUKS :)) No pb to have LUKS LV and ext3 LV in the same VG
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14:04<lectron>i'm a student and i wanted to know if it would be better to use stable with backports or testing
14:05<peeaivo>hey, how I configure wlan on debian?
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14:05<Tarcas>lectron: what are you using it for?
14:05<lectron>my desktop?
14:06<Tarcas>for a desktop, testing should be sufficient. If you're really concerned about stability though, stick with stable.
14:06<lectron>office(openoffice), multimedia(listen to music, watching movies) internet (firefox and chat) and sometimes games
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14:06<Tarcas>expecting to install many brand new packages?
14:07<lectron>it is ok
14:07<lectron>as long as my system won't broke as often as in sid
14:07<valdyn>lectron: your sid broke?
14:07<lectron>i used sid, but the dist-upgrades sometimes didn't work well :)
14:08<valdyn>lectron: you cannot safely use dist-upgrade in sid nor testing
14:08<Tarcas>lol, no, I find testing to be stable enough for a desktop.
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14:08<valdyn>lectron: so ... watch what its doing instead of just going <enter>
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14:09<Cypriot>hi, is it possible to connect 2 different tunnel broker with tspc
14:10<lectron>would stable with backports be more save?
14:11<Tarcas>I've not used backports. I stick with either stable or testing for any system I run, but I expect it would be.
14:11<fxiny>lenny already needing backports ? wt4x !
14:11<Tarcas>lectron: you realize that Lenny just became stable so only the newest packages will be missing from it, right?
14:12<lectron>i think for the future:)
14:12<lectron>for the moment it is ok
14:12<fxiny>lenny is nice , use it and have a life
14:12<lectron>sure, i am not that person only having a pc as friend ^^
14:12<lectron>it would just be nice having a newer openoffice from time to time
14:12<Tarcas>Lenny works great for me. You can always upgrade to testing from stable. Going the other way is a bit of a challenge.
14:12<fxiny>i am , that's ahy i use debian :)
14:13<fxiny>easy life with stable
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14:13<fxiny>you get security support , then backports helps in the end . nice cycle
14:14<fxiny>volatile , dmm . want more ?
14:14<Tarcas>oh, I'm using Etch, not Lenny. My mistake. Well, that works too. :-)
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14:15<fxiny>etch works indeed
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14:16<Tarcas>Will they still be backporting security fixes to Etch, or is that totally frozen (obsolete) now?
14:16<fxiny>i think they will
14:16<lectron>thank you for the infos :)
14:16<fxiny>for a while
14:16<Tarcas>cool. Well, this explains why GAIM never upgraded to Pidgin. :-D
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14:17<fxiny>etch2lenny transition is so smooth i will move my main box to lenny asap
14:17<SnoFox>Is it possible to use two different video cards for TwinView?
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14:18<Tuplad>can I find out through apt-get where a package is installed if I can't find it by any other way ?
14:18<mase>SnoFox normaly yes but then it is not called twinview anymore (i think twinview was a nvidia specific "name")
14:18<tcsetattr>Tuplad, dpkg -L pkgname will list all files installed by the package
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14:19<SnoFox>mase: I see. What's the normal name now? And do you have a guide to help me go about doing this? nvidia-settings won't let me use all three displays as Twinview.
14:19<Tuplad>tcsetattr: thanks!
14:20<mase>SnoFox its called "multi-head" or something like that. i think you have to set up your xorg.conf manually
14:20<SnoFox>Ah, darn. Okay, that shouldn't be too hard. I always have to mess with it to get any of my displays running properly in the first place.
14:21<EmleyMoor>I want to install something that I can only find as an .ipk - are there any caveats in using ipkg?
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14:22<Tarcas>fxiny: to do that, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all instances of "etch" to "lenny" and apt-get dist-upgrade correct? Is there anything else?
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14:22<mase>Tarcas "apt-get update" before "apt-get distupgrade"
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14:23<fxiny>Tarcas: no , that's what i'0ve done first . follow this procedure : /msg dpkg etch->lenny
14:23<tcsetattr>Tarcas, you should really read the release notes ( before doing an upgrade. there are good tips in there. like making sure you're running the right kernel before you go too far
14:24<Tarcas>oh... duh. :-D
14:25<Tarcas>I roll custom kernels on my routers, but I think my desktop is the debian vanilla, from whenever the install happened.
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14:26<hazard2>does anyone else's 'top' command actually give cpu% for active processes? (mine always seem to be zero, even when I know some process is doing something)
14:27<mase>hazard2 strange, top should work...
14:27<hmn>hazard2, mine does
14:27<hazard2>Huh...I wonder what I did then...
14:27<fxiny>Tarcas: i follwed dpkg procedure : aptitude install aptitude , aptitude safe-upgrade ( installed the 2.6.26 kernel here and rebooted) aptitude full-upgrade . not a single problem
14:27<hazard2>I tried deleteing my toprc
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14:28<hazard2>whatp package is top part of?
14:28<fxiny>Tarcas: volatile and dmm perfect
14:28<fille_>hazard2, dpkg -S `which top`
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14:29<Tarcas>cool, thanks fxiny. I'll check over the release notes during my downtime at work, and I may try the upgrade on my desktop in the next couple of weeks.
14:29<fille_>so procps
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14:30<fxiny>Tarcas: lenny aptitude is impressive . in my old PII 400 took two full minutes to sort all dependencies before starting
14:30<hazard2>Hmmm, I can't re-install it, since it has dependencies that would badly break the system
14:30<fxiny>aptitude peeled the yak as someone told me here .P
14:31<Tarcas>fxiny: good to know, because this is a P II 550. Not much better.
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14:31<hazard2>Brings back memories of aptitude on my old P1-166....
14:31<fxiny>Tarcas: 4 hours in all , but hell ! i did almost nothing comparing to the old way
14:32<fxiny>Tarcas: 1078 packages
14:32<hazard2>Well, I'm stumped, I've got no idea why top isn't able (or willing) to sort by process CPU usage
14:32<Tarcas>Wow. I'll fire it off before I head to work one day. Unless my DSL is significantly slower than yours, it'll be done long before I get home.
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14:33<fxiny>Tarcas: installed from a local dir , no space : / is 2.5G
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14:34<fxiny>that was the game , -d downloading all packages
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14:34<Tarcas>so it might be a bit longer then?
14:35<fxiny>Tarcas: i think so , i have one more box with two etch on it so i'm better off this way
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14:36<hazard2>nope, users can't use top CPU usage sorting either mysetrious...
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14:40<mase>hazard2 isnt there a shortcut to do so?
14:41<hmn>hazard2, have you tried "aptitude reinstall procps" ? that doesn't remove it, shouldn't break your system
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14:42<pwork>Do you know what the logical volume "-wi-a-" means please ? I can't find it in lvm man nor lvm howto.
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14:42<pwork>It's LV attributes
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14:43<FirstSgt>how would I do this command at the debian server startup: mount --bind /var/ftp/incoming /home/bob/incoming
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14:46<slush>FirstSgt: put in in /etc/fstab
14:46<FirstSgt>how do i add the --bind ?
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14:47<slush>source destination none defaults, bind 0 0
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14:48<FirstSgt>okay, thanks slush
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14:53<FirstSgt>can i use wildcards when mapping fstab... e.g. i want /opt/tmp to be in /home/*/mount_link
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14:53<tetrimino>can someone help me install my EN8800GT? and please don't just redirect me..
14:54<transiency>get the .sh from nvidia
14:54<tetrimino>is that all?
14:54<transiency>run it
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14:54<tetrimino>....sorry then :D
14:54<FirstSgt>well, u run it
14:54<FirstSgt>make sure it has +x
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14:55<tetrimino>yeah of course.. just remembering having problems with that.. but member i remember wrong :D
14:55<hmn>or use "source"
14:55<FirstSgt>e.g 555
14:55<Jpdota>Hey, i'm having issues with my wireless in squeeze. It's just stopped working mysteriously, I haven't changed my wireless drivers or kernel, and for a while I was having an intermittent connection but now it just attempts a connection but never actually connects. I am using the broadcom STA drivers. The card itself is working, I have confirmed it on Fedora (also running the STA drivers). Any ideas as to where I could check to debug this or a known solutio
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14:56<hmn>i wonder if hazard2 even saw what i wrote
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14:56<hmn>hi TMcTrain
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14:57<TMcTrain>how can I prevent linux from executing a script in init.d during bootup?
14:57<petemc>update-rc.d -f foo remove
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14:57<TMcTrain>i have an error in this sript and the system wont boot up properly
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14:58<petemc>wouldnt it be better to fix the error?
14:58<TMcTrain>first I need to boot the system! :-)
14:58<hmn>TMcTrain, use a livecd like Knoppix to boot it
14:59<TMcTrain>is there no other way?
14:59<petemc>you can boot into single user mode
14:59<hmn>i'm sure there is..
14:59<TMcTrain>how do I do that?
14:59<Jpdota>TMcTrain: at grub, select single user mode :)
14:59<TMcTrain>hopefully the module istn't loaded there! :-)
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15:00<hmn>if it is, see previous advice :)
15:00<petemc>module? i thought it was an init script?
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15:01<TMcTrain>sorry it is a init script that causes a module to execute wrong
15:02<TMcTrain>so i need to log in to change the init-script back to default
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15:02<hmn>TMcTrain, probably a daemon actually, but this is just semantics
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15:04<hmn>(as opposed to a loadable kernel module, which is something different and loaded in a different way, i think)
15:04<TMcTrain>i wrote a script to loog some hardware changes on an extern bus! this script should be loaded during bootup, but causes some kind of error!
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15:05<hmn>i take it you didn't install it using update-rc.d then?
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15:06<TMcTrain>i did
15:07<TMcTrain>all worked fine
15:07<TMcTrain>the logging script on testing
15:07<hmn>well then, try the line petemc posted
15:07<TMcTrain>the init script for normal bootup
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15:07<TMcTrain>but as i added the line to execute the logging script in the init-script it did go wrong
15:08<TMcTrain>folks i forgott to ad an & after the line! :-)
15:09<tetrimino>after downloading make and gcc it came up with another problem..
15:09<tetrimino>something to do with gcc and my kernel
15:09<tetrimino>need fix now! lol!
15:10<tetrimino>\o/ <(help)
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15:12<TMcTrain>tx for the help
15:12<hmn>did you get it fixed?
15:13<TMcTrain>yes, i got in with single mode and admin password to prevent the init scrips to execute
15:13<hmn>good :)
15:13<TMcTrain>so i could add the & at the end of the line! :-)
15:13<TMcTrain>the bootup got stucked in an infinite logging loop! lol
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15:31<Grendal>Hey guys
15:32<Grendal>The minimal boot CD, when ran, only gives a blank console. I have an x86 archiecture PC, and I finished (attempting) to uninstall GRUB from a previous Linux installation that turned sour.
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15:42<sysop_>im running lenny, and I need to get a package marked as 'unstable' I dont have an entry in my '/etc/apt/sources.list' where can I find the URL ?
15:42<drasko>any ideas?
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15:42<stew>sysop_: in general, you shouldn't install packages from unstable onto stable directly, use a backport instead, /msg dpkg backports
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15:45<sysop_>stew; ty
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15:46<ninja>hello, i'd like to have help having my wifi work
15:46<ninja>i'm on debian sid kernel 2.6.26-1
15:47<ninja>b43 and ndiswrapper won't work
15:47<ninja>card bcm 4311
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15:48<drasko>any ideas?
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15:50<Lethalman>ninja: strange, b fwcutter works in most cases that I know
15:51<Lethalman>ninja: how have you installed b43?
15:51<ninja>as explained on the wiki
15:51<sysop_>is there such a thing as a windowing interface that doesn't use X?
15:51<Lethalman>ninja: link us
15:51<boris_>404 LOL
15:51<Lethalman>sysop_: framebuffer?
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15:52<Lethalman>ninja: how do you say it doesn't work?
15:52<sysop_>Lethalman; do you know of a manager that runs off a frame buffer?
15:52<Lethalman>sysop_: manager?
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15:52<sysop_>Window Manager
15:52<Lethalman>definitely not
15:53<Lethalman>but you can find gui toolkits running on top of fb
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15:53<sysop_>Lethalman; ty
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15:53<Lethalman>and... guess what, I don't think any GUI program will ever run on fb out of the box :)
15:53<sysop_>Lethalman; whys that?
15:54<Lethalman>sysop_: because most of programs use X
15:54<ninja>the led on my laptop isn't on, wicd doesn't see any wireless stuff, dhclient won't work for wlan0, BUT i have at least one (maybe two) wireless routers on in the area
15:54<Lethalman>or a GUI toolkit that runs on top of X
15:54<holly>never been on this before just found it installed on my computer =s
15:54<ninja>i think it is enough to say it doesn't work
15:54<Lethalman>there're some toolkits that support fb but in most cases it's weak
15:54<sysop_>Lethalman; doesn't X have a server that runs on a frame buffer?
15:55<Lethalman>sysop_: _a driver_
15:55<Lethalman>well yes, but you said you don't want X, don't you?
15:55<sysop_>Lethalman; it sounds like its almost my only option :)
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15:55<Lethalman>you should explain better
15:56<holly>what kind of chat room is this?
15:56<sysop_>i just need something as lean as possible, It's only going to be used once in a while and its running on a low resource machine, P3 550, 128mb ram, w/ mysqld, apache, php running on it as well as zoneminder
15:57<sysop_>with everything installed I'm almost at the top of my ram
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16:05<racecar56>ok i have a weird thing where iceweasel looks ugly... i'll take a screenshot..
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16:11<racecar56> there is a screenshot
16:12<racecar56>oops wait a sec
16:12<Tengu_>403 :d
16:12<racecar56>oh noes gotta restart
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16:26<pwork>gsimmons: Are you still here ? I deleted wanted LV from VG, recreated new ones, untar data saves on it, and am ready to reboot from the Ubuntu live CD to the Debian Lenny disto. I didn't modify the /etc/fstab at all, and just wonder if all is Ok before rebooting and potentially breaking things.
16:27<pwork>gsimmons: Particularly, I don't know how cryptsetup is now aware that is has 4 less encrypted LVs (var, tmp, usr, root)
16:27<pwork>(that it)
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16:30<pwork>:) Ok, I try to reboot
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16:41<pwork>Help ! That didn't work as expected :( I can't boot anymore in Debian system
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16:43<padski>pwork, any idea of the cause ?
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16:43<pwork>Context : I backup up 4 LUKS encrypted LV with tar (var, tmp, usr, /), deleted LVs, created new ones, restored data, and reboot the system : all loads well, but when X starts and that I connect to my user account, it fails and comes back to the login screen. I close X, try to 'su', and here I get a bunch of hexadecimals strings
16:43<pwork>padski: Yes, it's due to this recent change
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16:44<pwork>What I aim to is un-encrypt 4 LVs
16:44<padski>pwork, so it does boot, but you have trouble logging in ?
16:44<pwork>I did the restore process (tar xvf) from this Ubuntu live CD, without chrooting
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16:45<pwork>padski: Yes, in text console, I can log in as normal user, but if I 'su', it crashes
16:45<padski>pwork, crashes ?
16:46<pwork>padski: I type 'su', my password, and immediately get a bunch of hexadecimal strings
16:46<pwork>No error message
16:46<pwork>So, I'm compelled to reboot hardwarely
16:46<padski>pwork, Virtual Consoles ?
16:47<pwork>padski: No, it's the standard text console that you reach with Ctrl + Alt + Del, from X login GUI
16:47<pwork>It's related to LUKS and LVM, it's sure
16:47<pwork>But I reached my knowledge limit here and can't fix..
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16:50<padski>pwork, back in a mo
16:50<pwork>Before, from Ubuntu Live CD, I could reach my /dev/sda2 encrypted volume through 'sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 name'
16:51<pwork>padski: thx
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16:51<queixume>bon día
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16:51<pwork>Now, it gives this message : "No key available with this passphrase"
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16:53<racecar56>all my gtk apps look ugly im running debian lenny kde3 edition
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16:54<racecar56> theres a pic of iceweasel
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16:55<pwork>That's good for the previous error, just forgot to 'modprobe dm-crypt'
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16:57<padski>pwork, hi again
16:58<pwork>padski: hi
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16:58<pwork>padski: I just mounted the HDD volume group from Ubuntu
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16:58<padski>just wanted to try that ctrl-alt-del console thing. I don't have that, but it rings a bell. anyways, can you get VC1 with ctrl-alt-F1 ?
16:59<pwork>All seems fine (LV number and sizes)
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16:59<padski>pwork, given that it boots, it can't be too badly broken :-)
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17:00<racecar56>how do i get gtk to not be ugly?
17:00<pwork>padski: Cool yeah, since I can reach the X login screen and that all services starts good, data should not be broken
17:00<pwork>padski: I can get VC1 right now, since I write you from the Ubuntu live CD
17:01<pwork>it runs X fine ;)
17:01<pwork>padski: If I reboot to Debian, I won't be able to launch an IRC client
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17:02<padski>pwork, well see if you can get a VC and if you can logon at it. if not then perhaps boot straight to a shell
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17:03<pwork>Ok, I reboot, try to log on as root through VC1, and tell you what happens in 2 mins
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17:03<pwork>padski: Do you have some more advices I can test when I'll be there ? Reboots are very time consuming ;)
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17:04<padski>pwork, if you get in you could install irssi, a text irc client
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17:04<padski>pwork, you could also see if you can logon as yourself rather than root
17:04<pwork>padski: That's only true if I can log in as root without failure ;) I try and be back on IRC in 2 mins
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17:05<pwork>padski: I can log as myself in text console, but when I 'su' to root : crashes
17:06<pwork>Ok, I just hope that those reboots won't hurt the Debian setupt
17:06<padski>pwork, and you can't get another VC when you see this ?
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17:06<pwork>I suppose yes, I didn't tried yet. I go for it. See you in 2 mins
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17:09<c4_>where is: Sysfs=/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:10.0/0000:02:09.0/input/input6 ?
17:10<nskirov>need some help with an Intel 82865G integrated graphics card, display is really choppy (couldnt find much on it via googling)
17:10<padski>c4_, mount will tell you if/where sysfs is mounted
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17:10<c4_>padski: thats an imput davice not an hd
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17:11<c4_>im trying to fin the remote control imput
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17:11<tcsetattr>ls -l /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:10.0/0000:02:09.0/input/input6 and look at where the symlinks point, and maybe cat some of the files in there.
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17:14<tcsetattr>another possibility for identifying that device would be lspci | grep 0000:02:09
17:15<Guest227>how are you tcsetattr
17:16<tcsetattr>what is this, sidux default irc user?
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17:16<Guest227>uh tcsetattr
17:16<Guest227>what are you talking about?
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17:17<Guest227>sidux default what ?
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17:17<tcsetattr>you joined with the nick "sidux" and then switched to Guest227, looks like someone who's lost
17:17<Guest227>I see
17:17<Guest227>why does that matter tcsetattr ?
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17:18<padski>!based on debian
17:18<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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17:19<tcsetattr>this is a techie channel, not for random smalltalk. (unless it's smalltalk the programming language and you're using it on Debian)
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17:22<nskirov>can anyone help with "libGL error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument) "?
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17:22<racecar56>lolz at how he said no radom smalltalk unless it's the programming language
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17:25<pwork>padski: I'm back !
17:25<padski>pwork, how did it go ?
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17:25<pwork>padski: Successfully logged on as root when bootong in 'single-user mode'.
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17:25<pwork>padski: I installed irssi, but when I '/join #debian', I get the msg : "You was banned"
17:26<padski>nskirov, what hardware ?
17:26<nskirov>Intel 82865G Integrated Graphics
17:26<tcsetattr>heh. #debian *!*root@*
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17:27<padski>heh. didn't know about that
17:27<pwork>padski: If I boot normally and that I log as root or standard user in text mode, I immediately get a bunch of messages and can't get a prompt. I wrote down some of these messages keywords : "mark_inode_dirty", "vfs_ioctl", "system_call_after_swapgs"
17:28<pwork>:) How can I get in touch with you in you so ? I just look for another text-client
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17:28<c4_>how do i found the device that is producing an "event" that i can see with: tail -f /var/log/syslog ? (is the ir remote control in the TV board)
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17:29<padski>pwork, that does begin to sound like a crash.
17:29<pwork>tcsetattr: Yes, my default nick was "root", so I issued a '/ nick pwork' before '/join ...''
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17:30<tcsetattr>pwork, it's the username/ident not the nick
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17:30<tcsetattr>pwork, did you also notice the keyword "Oops" or "panic"?
17:30<pwork>tcsetattr: No, I didn't see this
17:31<padski>nskirov, which release are you on ?
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17:31<pwork>But when I log on in 'single user' mode, I can access every nodes with no problem : files are not damaged it seems
17:31<pwork>tcsetattr: If I go back to irssi and do '/ident pwork', I won't get banned anymore ?
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17:31<octomathid>does anyone in here know how to install the debian net install over an at&t dsl connection? for the life of me i cant figure out how to read the pppoe concentrator, but i know it should normally work
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17:32<padski>nskirov, I was looking at debian bug #496053
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17:33<tcsetattr>I don't know this fancy irssi stuff.
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17:34<abrotman>pwork: you cannot IRC in #debian as root
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17:37<pwork>abrotman: I understand that, but don't know how to shift from 'root' to 'pwork'. '/ nick pwork' didn't do the trick
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17:38<pwork>I must find another IRC text client that is in Lenny's repositories
17:38<pwork>bitchx is not
17:38<tcsetattr>/query abrotman and beg :)
17:38<padski>pwork, could you log onto one VC as pwork ?
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17:38<abrotman>use irssi .. don't irc as root
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17:38<lou>can i ask you 3 questions about debian lenny? :)
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17:39<pwork>abrotman: Ok, I reboot and will launch irssi as a normal user ^^
17:39<tcsetattr>abrotman, if you read back a couple of pages you'll see that his system is oopsing when he tries to log in as non-root... or somethign like that. we haven't really got the whole picture yet.
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17:39<nskirov>padski, while that bug does seem to describe the same problem it seems to be resolved in lenny
17:39<pwork>tcsetattr: yes, I can only log in in text mode, single user mode, as root
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17:40<padski>nskirov, yes. it is the closest match I could find with google. is your log similar ?
17:40<abrotman>he might be able to su to another user ?
17:40<lou>when i install a package from stable-backport, is it still supported with security fixes?
17:40<abrotman>lou: not officially i don't think ..
17:41<tcsetattr>pwork, that's a good idea to try. if you can't log in as normal user, first log in as root then "su username"
17:41<abrotman>lou: i think you'd have to wait for the package to show up in the normal repo, and then for the BPO packager to do it
17:42<nskirov>padski, yes trying to switch to i810 now but kinda lost since new to deb
17:42<lou>will openoffice 3 be put in lenny backports?
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17:44<padski>lou, there is an openoffice in etch-backports
17:44<abrotman>padski: but OO3 ?
17:44<abrotman>lou: if it's technically possible, probably
17:44<abrotman>lou: what do you need from OO3 ?
17:45<abrotman>nskirov: there is no 'i810' in lenny
17:45<lou>it can better read MS office docs
17:45<lou>i share some docs with other people
17:46<abrotman>lou: uhm .. did you actually try the one in lenny?
17:47<lou>yes, for the moment i can read and save them
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17:47<lou>but i never know
17:47<lou>idon't know which office they use
17:47<abrotman>lou: from what i understand they added the XML MS Office compatibility stuff to the OO in lenny
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17:48<lou>would be cool
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17:49<nskirov>abrotman, "ls /usr/lib/dri" gives me, among others,
17:49<abrotman>that's not the X driver i don't think
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17:52<Kuifje>hello all
17:52<lou>oh i just read testing might be interesting...quiet stable and from time to time new software
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17:52<Kuifje>i have installed proftpd with the inetd option without knowing what inetd is, and it turned out to be the wrong decision
17:52<lou>is testing ok for a "normal" desktop? office + music
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17:52<Kuifje>now im trying to remove proftpd
17:53<Kuifje>but thats not working
17:53<tcsetattr>Kuifje: maybe you can fix it with dpkg-reconfigure proftpd
17:53<abrotman>Kuifje: dpkg-reconfigure <package name>
17:53<pwork>padski: I'm back ! On Debian's single user mode with irssi :)
17:53<Kuifje>ah, thanks
17:53<Kuifje>that may work
17:53<Hideo>nskirov: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
17:53<nskirov>abrotman, oh, it isnt?
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17:55<pwork>The only problem is that I can type commands from here :) And Ctrl + Alt + F2 won't give another prompt to work on
17:55<Kuifje>hmm, now it's not working aymore
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17:55<jrabbit>pwork: ahhahahaa
17:56<Kuifje>Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo '' error: Name or service not known
17:56<The_Stig>I am....THE STIG
17:56<tcsetattr>pwork, when you're stuck with a single tty, you can turn it into multiple tty's with screen (apt-get install screen; screen) or you can learn to use job control. you don't need multiple terminals to have a multitasking experience
17:56<nskirov>Hideo, "Installed: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6"
17:56<jrabbit>screen is shockingly not shipped with debian
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17:56<pwork>tcsetattr: Ok, I install screen
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17:57<tcsetattr>job control is simple: press ^Z to suspend a process, then run your command, then type "fg" to bring back the one you suspended. Just don't suspend an irc client for more than a couple minutes or you'll ping out
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17:57<tcsetattr>more shocking than screen not being installed by default is all the new unix users the last few years who never learn job control basics...
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17:58<Hideo>nskirov: read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel/README.gz and man i810
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17:59<tcsetattr>wait, I just realized pwork wasn't saying that logging in on tty2 doesn't work. he was saying there is no tty2 because it's single-user mode and getty ain't running. that should be fixable with openvt
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18:04<pwork>I installed screen but get : Cannot install on terminal / dev / console error when launching 'screen'
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18:05<tcsetattr>pwork, never mind that. try running "openvt sh" instead
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18:05<tcsetattr>basically screen is too sophisticated to function in single-user mode. openvt is more primitive
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18:06<jrabbit>this begs the question, why are you in single-user mode?
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18:07<nskirov>Hideo, will check it out
18:07<tcsetattr>because he's all messed up, I guess. I wasn't here for the start of the conversation so I don't know what underlying problem he's trying to fix. seems like he's got a disk going bad, or filesystem corrupted already
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18:09<pwork>Wooohoo! Here we can work : I have a root terminal and this irssi terminal :)
18:09<tcsetattr>openvt to the rescue
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18:09<tcsetattr>now what were you working on? I missed the beginning of the conversation
18:10<padski>pwork, good luck with that, got to go
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18:10<pwork>Ok : I have a Debian Lenny amd64 installed with 6 encrypted LV : var, tmp, usr, home, swap and /
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18:11<d4rkl0rd>hello, where did my xmms disappeared after upgrade????
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18:11<pwork>From a Ubuntu live CD, I backed up tmp, var, usr, / , deleted LVs, created them back and restored data
18:11<tcsetattr>xmms has been beaten to death with a shovel for being obsolete and depending on obsolete gtk libraries
18:11<pwork>I aim at having those nodes unencrypted
18:11<themill>dpkg: tell d4rkl0rd about xmms
18:11<d4rkl0rd>tcsetattr: but what should I use now?
18:11<themill>dpkg: nickometer d4rkl0rd
18:11<dpkg>'d4rkl0rd' is 97.880% lame, themill
18:11<themill>that all?
18:12<d4rkl0rd>is there anything like winamp? or just bloody kaboodle?
18:12<tcsetattr>once you start using "LVs" that puts me in unfamiliar territory
18:12<stew>!nickmeter themill
18:12<dpkg>themill is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
18:13<abrotman>d4rkl0rd: try audacious
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18:13<Kuifje>i've installed proftpd, when i use the inetd option its working fine, but with the standalone option it isnt
18:13<d4rkl0rd>abrotman: mnt, installing
18:13<pwork>tcsetattr: Yeah, I don't know much about it too
18:13<Kuifje>any ideas?
18:14<abrotman>Kuifje: did you read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/proftpd/ ?
18:14<themill>I'm at a disadvantage at answering questions like "is there anything like winamp" seeing as how I've not used it for 10 years.
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18:14<abrotman>themill: it hasn't changed :)
18:14<Kuifje>abrotman, no.
18:14<Kuifje>will do now
18:14<d4rkl0rd>themill: i havnet used winamp too since I 7 years ago turned to linux, but I have used xmms
18:15<themill>So why do you want something like winamp?
18:15<pwork>If I boot in normal mode, I get the X password prompt, but it can't let me in icewm. So, I log on in text mode, and get an instant system crash
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18:15<d4rkl0rd>themill: because when i left winamp it was 99% like xmms
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18:16<d4rkl0rd>and xmms I miss so much right now, but audacious looks quite good
18:16<pwork>So I'm here, stuck in the tty console and really need your help to get things better :)
18:17<tcsetattr>pwork, look at /var/log/kern.log and see if there is a record of your crashes.
18:17<pwork>tcsetattr: ok
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18:18<d4rkl0rd>abrotman: thank you much, it has scrobbler built in, wow
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18:20<pwork>tcsetattr: No, there is no trace in it
18:20<pwork>tcsetattr: No errors messages so
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18:23<pwork>tcsetattr: From data I backed up, I also restored 'var' and 'tmp', maybe they are in conflict after the changes I did
18:23<pwork>tcsetattr: From data I backed up, I also restored 'var' and 'tmp', maybe they are in conflict after the changes I did
18:23<tcsetattr>seems like you've got a lot of problems, pwork. findign the cause of the crashes should be the first priority but we don't know enough about them
18:23<pwork>tcsetattr: How can we so ?
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18:24<tcsetattr>it would be nice to see a COMPLETE screenshot of your mark_inode_dirty/vfs_ioctl error dump. I'm still not sure what that is. if it's a kernel Oops then we need to know more about that
18:24<pwork>I grant I didn't change a lot of things, just removed 4 encrypted LV, created 4 non-encrypted LV, and restored data on it
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18:25<pwork>tcsetattr: Is that information dumped to a file when system is crashing ?
18:25<racecar56>what happened to xmms?
18:25<tcsetattr>kern.log if the system is healthy enough to put it there :)
18:25<tcsetattr>pwork: plus I haven't really been following your entire story. what happens when you do a normal boot? the crash occurs before the login prompt, or after you enter the username, or after you enter the password?
18:25<pwork>tcsetattr: lol, ok
18:26<tcsetattr>got a camera? sometimes on a hard crash the easiest method of investigation is to take a picture of the screen, make a PNG/JPG, and upload it
18:26<sylarr>I am having a bit of a problem - my server stop responding it happened twice yesterday, and today, no response from keyboard/mouse, network, etc.
18:26<pwork>tcsetattr: The system boots up with no error message, I get to the X GUI login screen, but I get some GUI bug when logging in, so it come back to the X GUI login screen. I then go to console, log in as normal user, and immediately get a bunch of messages
18:27<pwork>tcsetattr: No prompt
18:27<sylarr>But after reboot it acts OK
18:27<sylarr>anyway to debug the problem?
18:27<tcsetattr>how about you disable the freakin X login? turn off the xdm/kdm/gdm boot scritp!
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18:28<pwork>tcsetattr: :) I'm happy to have this login screen usually. But here, If I Ctrl+Alt+Del to go in text mode, I can log in and immediately get a system crash
18:28<tcsetattr>the easiest way to do that in my opinion is apt-get install rcconf; rcconf ... it'll give you a checklist of stuff to start on boot. use arrow keys, tab key, and space bar to go through and turn off xdm and friends
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18:30<pwork>tcsetattr: In kern.log, I can give you some messages so :
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18:30<pwork>tcsetattr: iomem range something could not be reserved
18:32<pwork>tcsetattr: clocksource tsc unstable
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18:32<tcsetattr>are those messages recent?
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18:33<tcsetattr>kern.log goes back about a week. make sure you're not reading some old irrelevant stuff
18:33<pwork>tcsetattr: 30 per cent of the kernel.log file
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18:33<pwork>tcsetattr: Ok, I'll only read from 80 per cent so
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18:34<tcsetattr>there should be a date and time on every line, you don't have to go by percentage :)
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18:34<Popo>algum brasileiro
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18:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:36<pwork>tcsetattr: lol, indeed
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18:37<tcsetattr>plus every time it reboots, you'll see a line where the kernel identifies itself as "Linux version 2.6.24" or whatever version you've got. the line before that one would be the last thing printed on the previous boot (right before previous crash)
18:38<tcsetattr>well, maybe a few lines back. look for the timestamp jump
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18:38<pwork>tcsetattr: To get things clearer, I will delete and touch this file again, do a sample crash, and be back in 2 mins
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18:38<tcsetattr>what about the camera?
18:38<tcsetattr>whenever I give someone multiple suggestions, they never pick the easy one.
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18:39<pwork>tcsetattr: :) I don't have one
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18:39<tcsetattr>in kern.log if you don't see the word "Oops" or "panic" then it's not got what we're looking for
18:40<tcsetattr>oh well, sharpen your pencil and get busy scribbling
18:42<tcsetattr>hmm... I'm talking to someone who left already.
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18:45<themill>tcsetattr: first sign of madness....!
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18:46<pwork>I just got a kernel panic : attempted to kill init
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18:46<tcsetattr>ahhh! that's the juicy stuff!
18:47<pwork>tcsetattr: :))
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18:47<tcsetattr>sharpen your pencil and get busy scribbling. kernel bug-hunters will want to see all the information that comes from the panic
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18:51<pwork>From the ATI GPU driver : ERROR : IRQMGR returned error 1 when trying to disable interrupt source ff000066
18:52<pwork>tcsetattr: I believe that kernel loaded successfully and that error message is in another castle, hmm, another "file"
18:52<tcsetattr>ATI GPU driver? you still messign with X? I'm telling you, you got problems big enough you should not be letting X start up at all.
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18:53<pwork>tcsetattr: Yeah, I didn't disable it yet. Just rebooted in single user mode
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18:55<pwork>tcsetattr: I reboot once more to get the crash stack and write down the maximum amount of info
18:55<tcsetattr>for the record, "panic" is more severe than "Oops". it's the kernel deciding that it has gotten so confused that committing suicide immediately is the best way to cause the least amount of damage.
18:55<pwork>tcsetattr: Hmm, it's some Peter Petrelli stuff
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18:56<pwork>Ok, I reboot and be back in a few mins
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19:05<tqft>tried installing lenny amd64 - died part way through and I have a partial install on partition - the error messages should live where? died while trying to configure libc6 From /var/log/dpkg.log 2009-02-17 08:47:09 status half-configured libc6 2.7-18
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19:07<pwork>No new info
19:08<tcsetattr>no new crashes?
19:10<pwork>tcsetattr: :) No new information on the crash, just it : RIP jbd journal_file_buffer
19:10<tcsetattr>you should be able to collect a whole screenful of information, not just one line
19:11<pwork>But I don't think it's a kernel bug, since the system was working good before I deleted encrypted LV and created/restored the same but without encryption
19:11<tcsetattr>a panic is always a kernel bug. No matter how bad you screw up your filesystems, you should never be able to cause a kernel panic
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19:12<tcsetattr>I don't know why you refuse to copy down a screenful of information that would be helpful to your cause. you could have chiseled it into stone by now if you weren't busy being uncooperative
19:12<abrotman>uhm .. or your hardware is bad
19:13<tcsetattr>well yes if your RAM chips are on fire, a panic is legitimate
19:13<pwork>tcsetattr: It's straight forward so :) I was busy understanding why (and I can't write down all, since screen is auto scrolling when crash occurs)
19:13<pwork>I reboot and write down the max ok
19:15<tcsetattr>continuous scrolling after the crash? that's an interesting symptom by itself
19:15<pwork>tcsetattr: In addition, crash is not deterministic, I don't always get messages in the end. Sometimes, screen just stays stuck
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19:16<tcsetattr>..and he always leaves after answering about 1/4 of the questions
19:16<Tarcas>Yup. I was just about to suggest that that does sound like a memory problem and suggest memtest. :-(
19:16<Tarcas>...or PSU
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19:17<tcsetattr>memtest is not a bad idea we'll try to squeeze that in on the next pass
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19:18<click170>Can someone point me to docs on using ftpsync to create a mirror? The ^only^ doc I can find is a README that doesn't actually say how to just make a copy of one of the existing mirrors for local use
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19:19<Tarcas>if he's getting random crash errors, that doesn't sound like software. bad memory is possible, and bad power supply always yields the weirdest errors...
19:19<tcsetattr>ftpsync? is that part of Debian?
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19:20<click170>Its the suggested method for creating a mirror I thought
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19:22<click170> Suggests it as the recommended method
19:22<click170>I was using apt-mirror before and it worked just fine but with the release of Lenny its mucked it up
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19:24<tcsetattr>huh. I would have thought that the preferred method of creating a debian mirror would be part of debian (in the main apt-get section). apparently not.
19:25<tcsetattr>my word! it's a splatter-all-over-cwd tarball! haven't seen many of those lately.
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19:31<pwork>tcsetattr: I'm back with a photograph (a nieghbour lend me his machine)
19:31<tcsetattr>oh boy
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19:34<DeepDayze>better be good :)
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19:36<pwork>It's 1:30 AM in France, so I will post it tommorow (must install a Vista OS to install Nokia drivers to access the photograph on the phone)
19:37<pwork>I'll be back here to provide the link for photo or debian list bug submission
19:37<icmp_request>Hello guys! My systems seems to be ignoring the /etc/localtime and TZ variables... I don't know what is wrong... how can I make it set the localtime instead of system time?
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19:37<abrotman>icmp_request: what's the result of `grep UTC /etc/rcS/default` ?
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19:38<pwork>I found this in /var/log/messages, and it's not normal : root=/dev/mapper/virtualgroup-root ro --> It shouldn't be read-only
19:38<icmp_request>grep: /etc/rcS/default: No such file or directory
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19:38<hawkeey>I am having problems with iwl3945 driver. It seems to generally have a very hard time associating with an ap.
19:39<icmp_request>so that's the problem I should change to 'no'?
19:39<tcsetattr>UTC=yes means the time stored in your hardware clock is Universal Coordianted Time (aka Greenwich Mean Time). that is the correct thing to do since there's no time zone indicator in the hardware clock.
19:39<tcsetattr>set it to 'no' only for compatibility with OSes that do the wrong thing
19:40<icmp_request>tcsetattr, so the config file is right
19:40<icmp_request>my BIOS time is in GMT
19:40<tcsetattr>yes. and if you dual-boot windoze, right is wrong.
19:40<icmp_request>I wish to add a -3 to localtime
19:40<icmp_request>this is a linux-only laptop
19:40<icmp_request>I mean, -3 to timezone
19:40<tcsetattr>what exactly is the symptom you're trying to fix? if you run "date" right now, what dose it say?
19:40<icmp_request>the utc
19:41<icmp_request>even if I "export TZ=-3"
19:41<tcsetattr>try TZ=GMT-3
19:41<icmp_request>or if I copy the correct glibc localtime to /etc/localtime
19:42<icmp_request>I've already copied /usr/share/zoneinfo/xxx/mytimezone to /etc/localtime
19:42<tcsetattr>right. localtime should take care of it. let's try the TZ=GMT-3 as a test first though
19:42<icmp_request>it actually treated GMT-3 as GMT+3
19:42<tcsetattr>also, make sure /etc/localtime is world-readable (chmod 644 or 444 is reasonable)
19:42<icmp_request>pretty weird
19:43<Hideo>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
19:43<tcsetattr>are you 3 hours east of England, or 3 hours west of England?
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19:44<icmp_request>it treated -3 as +3
19:44<Gun_Smoke>when searching with aptitude ~dsomething is there a way to include extra words to search for?
19:45<tcsetattr>3 hours west of England should be GMT+3 (and it's also in the middle of the ocean, ain't it?)
19:45<icmp_request>wait it made it
19:45<abrotman>icmp_request: yes, set it to no
19:45<icmp_request>dpkg-reconfigure tzdat
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19:45<icmp_request>it worked thx :)
19:45<tcsetattr>/etc/localtime should work though and make TZ unnecessary
19:45<icmp_request>no, it's GMT-3 America/Sao Paulo
19:46<icmp_request>but dpgkg-reconfigure tzdat worked thanks :)
19:46<Morty>3 hours *west* is TZ-3.
19:46<tcsetattr>ah, yes, South America does stick out farther east than the North, doesn't it
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19:46<Morty>Er. GMT-3.
19:46<icmp_request>yup, I think it's 2 hours ahead of EST
19:46<tcsetattr>GMT+3 doesn't mean "my time is GMT time +3", it means" you have to add +3 to my time to get GMT"
19:47<pwork>tcsetattr: Are there specific log files for system shutdown ? I could read a red "Failed!" message when shuting down, and another message related to VG
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19:48<icmp_request>anyway thanks for the help problem solved :)
19:48<tcsetattr>I know that I'm GMT+5, and my clock is 5 hours behind GMT.
19:48<tcsetattr>here's another trick: you can set TZ to the name of a zoneinfo file, like TZ=/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Sao_Paulo
19:49<Morty>No need to hardcode full path.
19:49<icmp_request>I see... :)
19:49<Morty>env TZ=America/Sao_Paulo date
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19:50<Tarcas>tcsetattr: that's not right. I'm in GMT-5 (CST) and when it's 6 AM here it's 11 AM in GMT. GMT - 5 = CST.
19:50<tcsetattr>the full path makes it tab-completable though :) ... hmm zsh has completion for TZ= that doesn't require full path. neat
19:51<tcsetattr>Tarcas, which CST is that?
19:51<tcsetattr>your hostname looks like it's saying "St. Louis, Mo". that's GMT+6.
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19:52<tcsetattr>if you're in GMT-6 then it's 6:51am for you right now. go back to bed
19:52<NSAJEFF>I can't help but wonder, how many Ubuntu users come here and pretend to be Debian users..
19:52<NSAJEFF>Epic fail.
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19:53<Hideo>why do they have to come here and pretend to be debian users? Is there help channel completely incompetent too?
19:54<abrotman>why are you asking here .. go ask them
19:54<icmp_request>tcsetattr, I don't think so... maybe on timezone GMT has the opposite effect but GMT -6 is 6 hours behind GMT
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19:54<abrotman>icmp_request: did you change it to 'no' ?
19:55<Morty>Apparently tcsetattr is correct, at least WRT to the TZ variable.
19:55<Morty>$ env TZ=GMT-5 date
19:55<Morty>Mon Feb 23 05:50:47 GMT 2009
19:55<icmp_request>abrotman, no thx the problem was already solved because my hardware clock is set to GMT
19:55<Morty>$ env TZ=GMT+5 date
19:55<Morty>Sun Feb 22 19:55:16 GMT 2009
19:55<icmp_request>yup, but that's how it works on the script
19:56<icmp_request>it's making nosense because should be the opposite lol
19:56<tcsetattr>GMT+5 is where I live. we're on US Eastern Standard Time (New York time). it's almost 8pm here.
19:56<Morty>GMT+5 is also where I live, but somewhat to the South [MD.]
19:57*abrotman is in between!
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19:57<icmp_request>see below the map the comparative
19:57<NullZero>hello, i have a sudo problem :(
19:58<tcsetattr>notice that if you run "date -R" to get the date in standard mail-header format, it will show the opposite sign.
19:58<tcsetattr>TZ=GMT+5 date -R ... Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:58:13 -0500
19:58<tcsetattr>confusing enough?
19:58<NullZero>i configured the sudoers file, but whenever I try to do anything, the root password only works
19:59<NullZero>perhaps its an issue with the groups?
19:59<Morty>Solaris interprets GMT+5 the same way as Linux.
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19:59<hawkeey>NullZero: did you configure it to require to the root password?
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19:59<Morty>NullZero: uh, what's in your sudoers file?
19:59<Morty>NullZero: and what happens when you run sudo -l ?
20:00<tcsetattr>perhaps the TZ variable initially assigned positive values to the west because UNIX was invented in America and we didn't want to make ourselves negative when there were no users over there in positive-land :)
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20:00<icmp_request>well cya guys thnx for the help :)
20:00<hawkeey>Two questions: Is it possible to revert to ipw3945 in lenny? Also, is it possible to tune the settings of iwl3945 somehow?
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20:01<NullZero>root ALL=(ALL) ALL
20:01<NullZero>"my username" ALL=(ALL) ALL
20:01<Morty>NullZero: does "my username" have quotes? If yes, try removing them.
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20:05<NullZero>it works with sudo -l, but for instance, I can't get it to work with Synaptic
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20:06<Morty>Well, what does sudo -l say you can run? What error do you get when you run it with synaptic? What exact command are you running?
20:07<abrotman>which version of debian is this?
20:07<NullZero>sudo -l says my username may run (ALL) ALL
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20:08<NullZero>i'm using Lenny, when i go to the Synaptic app, it asks for admin password. it only opens up with root password
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20:09<hawkeey>NullZero: trying doing a sudo synaptic
20:09<hawkeey>does that work?
20:09<hawkeey>The problem is that gnome might still be trying to su rather than sudo
20:10<NullZero>i'm going to log out and try it
20:11<NullZero>synaptic launched without asking for a password
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20:11<NullZero>I try launching from GUI and now its asking for admin password
20:12<hawkeey>right the GUI doesn't know to use sudo atm
20:12<NullZero>my first real exposure to linux was Ubuntu, but now giving Debian a try
20:13<hawkeey>there might be a way to configure it that way, let me look into for a second
20:13<NullZero>when i run sudo synaptic, it didn't ask for a password either
20:13<NullZero>is that how its supposed to be?
20:14<tcsetattr>when you leave Ubuntu, you will find yourself using sudo a lot less and su more. sudo is overkill for simple single-admin boxes
20:15<NullZero>now i realize why Ubuntu is user friendly :)
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20:15<tcsetattr>someone in Ubuntu-land got a stick up his ass about su and it became a tragedy :)
20:15<hawkeey>NullZero: well sudo caches your login ...
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20:16<NullZero>tcsetattr: ouch :(
20:16<hawkeey>NullZero: try this... sudo -k. Then try to run it.
20:16<tcsetattr>sudo is meant for delegating limited authority to junior admins, and for simulating setuid scripts. it's not supposed to be an su replacement
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20:17<hawkeey>ok, well there is a gconf attribute that you can change to alter the behavior
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20:18<NullZero>hawkeey, it works!
20:18<hawkeey>NullZero: what works/
20:19<NullZero>i ran sudo -k, then ran sudo synaptic and asked for password in which my USER password works
20:19<hawkeey>ok, well now we have to tell the GUI version to do that
20:20<NullZero>debian is great, "working man's linux" ;)
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20:21<NullZero>hawkeey: i found the fix
20:21<abrotman>why not just run synaptic ?
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20:21<NullZero>i have to go into the menu options and add it
20:21<hawkeey>NullZero: Run gconf-editor
20:22<NullZero>i'm there
20:22<hawkeey>NullZero: go to /apps/gksu
20:22<hawkeey>and then check sudo-mode
20:22<abrotman>that seems a bit drastic
20:22<hawkeey>abrotman: do you know a better way to flip that switch?
20:23<abrotman>i'm not sure why he has to at all
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20:23<tcsetattr>Ubuntu-ism. doesn't think he should type his root password to perform administrative tasks.
20:24<NullZero>abrotman: i'm planning on studying for a linux cert soon and I want to be exposed to this stuff
20:24<abrotman>yeah .. don't use sudo :)
20:24<tcsetattr>get exposed to using the root password appropriately. (which means su when needed, but only when needed and get out of there when you're done)
20:24<NullZero>tcsetattr: i'm just trying to understand the inner workings, I don't want to necessarily replicate the Ubuntu experience
20:25<abrotman>then stop using sudo and synaptic
20:25<tcsetattr>well anything that keeps you interested and learning is good I guess
20:25<NullZero>i use aptitude to install my packages
20:26<hawkeey>so can anyone point me in the right direction for a iwl3945 discussion?
20:28<abrotman>hawkeey: there is an intel wifi channel on freenode i beleive
20:28<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch> <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @
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20:29<NullZero>kawkeey: i appreciate your help
20:31<tcsetattr>synaptic is the only interactive package-choosing tool I've actually been able to understand. luckily I don't need interactive, I can use apt-cache search '...' | less
20:31<Gun_Smoke>what about aptitude search
20:31<tcsetattr>right, that too. I'm OK with aptitude as long as it's not in interactive mode
20:32<Gun_Smoke>I'd like to know how to use aptitude search ~d to match two or more key words
20:32<tcsetattr>I just haven't learned all those ~ thingies for aptitude search
20:32<Gun_Smoke>I use aptitude search or show just about daily.
20:33<tcsetattr>I don't even know where they're documented. aptitude man page doesn't seem to have any explanation of them.
20:33<Gun_Smoke>yeah it's in the man page..
20:34<tcsetattr>which part of the man page tells me what ~d means?
20:34<Gun_Smoke>search and show starts on line 175
20:35<NullZero>silly question, but is there a commercial enterprise version of debian, besides Ubuntu
20:35<mikegrb>debian suits the commercial enterprise I work for just fine
20:35<abrotman>for what reason?
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20:36<hawkeey>NullZero: You mean like the Fedora / RedHat stuff? No
20:36<Gun_Smoke>tcsetattr, all explained from line 175 down.. ~ precedes an option such as the ones listed in bold
20:37<hawkeey>NullZero: There are many distros which derive from Debian, but Debian itself is stubbornly free with a few exceptions.
20:37<tcsetattr>in my aptitude(8), line 175 is blank and line 176 says "full-upgrade"
20:37<NullZero>mikegrb: is there official debian support if needed?
20:37<hawkeey>NullZero: welcome to official debian support :-) ... some companies offer it
20:37<abrotman>NullZero: for what reason? there are companies that do that for distros
20:38<dpkg>rumour has it, consultants is
20:39<tcsetattr> /usr/share/man/man8/aptitude.8.gz 10398 bytes
20:39<NullZero>like hawkeey mentioned, Redhat, Novell and Canonical support their distros
20:39<hawkeey>NullZero: Debian is not a company
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20:40<NullZero>my company uses Solaris and Redhat
20:40<hawkeey>NullZero: good for your company
20:41<NullZero>does anyone help with funding?
20:41<zumbi>NullZero: what is your point?
20:41<NullZero>i'm just curious
20:41<zumbi>all that information is on site
20:42<Gun_Smoke>tcsetattr, Line 197 but the formatting is incorrect. But you should know know where to look.
20:42<hawkeey>it's any open source community ... some volunteers... some people paid by corporations to help, etc.
20:42<NullZero>ok so debian is classified as a non-profit, ok i'm satisfied :)
20:43<NullZero>now i'll shutup since I might be annoying you all
20:43<tcsetattr>yes, Gun_Smoke, I see that it says the search command can use patterns starting with a tilde. I don't see anything that defines the meaning of the various letters that can come after the tilde.
20:44<tcsetattr>there are examples using the tilde scattered all over the place, from which one may form generalizations at a guess, but that's not equivalent to documenting what the letters mean.
20:45<NullZero>thanks again for the help and i apologize for being uninformed
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20:47<brian>does anyone know what package I need to install to get xshape
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20:48<tank>I downloaded ndiswrapper through Synaptic, which says it is installed, however, lsmod does not show it installed
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20:49<tank>Oh this is a fresh install (netinstall of etch, upgraded to lenny)
20:49<Gun_Smoke>tcsetattr, This covers everything related to aptitude.
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20:52<tcsetattr>yeah, there it is. in a web page instead of a man page. that's why I ain't learned it.
20:53<tcsetattr>my order of preference for documentation goes: 1. reading a man page; 2. plain README; 3. reading the source code; 4. PDF/PostScript; 5. reading a disassembly dump while pretending it's source code; 6. anything HTML related
20:54<Hideo>my order of preference: 1. bug #debian; 2. bug #debian; 3. bug #debian; =P
20:54<Astero1D>I'm trying to tunnel to a remote machine and use mysql, but get following errors:
20:54<Astero1D>channel 3: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused
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20:55<kingsley>Astero1D: Have you searched Google's web and usenet indices for that error message?
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20:56<Astero1D>yes, and tried some of the suggestions but I have everything set right (or I think I do)
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20:57<kingsley>Astero1D: Have you searched Google's usenet indices?
20:57<Astero1D>kingsley, what are those?
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20:58<kingsley>Astero1D: I suggest searching Google's web and usenet indices for ways to elicit more diagnostic information.
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20:59<Astero1D>kingsley, ok, thanks
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20:59<kingsley>Astero1D: You're welcome.
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21:13<Astero1D>I have a script file that I want to execute using gnome-terminal, but $ gnome-terminal /home/asteroid/script does not work
21:13<Astero1D>How can I do this right?
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21:17<bzed>Astero1D: read the manpage :)
21:17<Astero1D>bzed, ok :)
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21:18<mvd>Astero1D: is the script chmod'ed properly?
21:18<Astero1D>mvd, yes
21:18<Astero1D>I think I need the -e option
21:18<mvd>that was what I was going to suggest next
21:18<tcsetattr>with xterm, you use xterm -e 'your command here' to run the command inside the terminal. if gnome-terminal is similar, that would make sense
21:19<Astero1D>mvd, do I need to enclose the path in " "
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21:19<mvd>the manpage indicates gnome-terminal is the same that way
21:19<tcsetattr>if the command has spaces or funny characters in it, you gotta quote it.
21:19<tcsetattr>if it's just 1 word (by the shell's definition of "word") the quotes won't matter.
21:20<Astero1D>Does anyone know a good linux native mysql GUI tool (better than Mysql Query Browser) ???
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21:29<guilherme>how can i change sun java and open jdk??
21:30<rgb30>anyone know of a security vuln in truecrypt?
21:30<rgb30>thought i read something about their work having holes in it
21:30<mvd>guilherme: what do you mean by "change" ?
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21:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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21:32<guilherme>i i have this two installed how can i set one of then as standard
21:32<mvd>guilherme: man update-alternatives
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21:32<mvd>guilherme: more specifically: update-alternatives --config java
21:35<Steven_M>hi all
21:35<Steven_M>what would cause this error?
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21:36<guilherme>i have a program in java, and i have sun java 6 installed, but i doesnt work, when i try to use .jar file it open normaly, what it could be??
21:37<mvd>guilherme: what errors do you get?
21:37<sylar>can anyone help me with lvm on mdadm?
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21:39<guilherme>i dont get errors the program doesnt start, it shows a logo and stops, with the logo in the center of the screen
21:42<mvd>guilherme: are you running from the command line?
21:43<guilherme>i run in the command line and it shows : Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from cytoscape.jar
21:44<mvd>sounds like an error in the jar file, then
21:44<mvd>I don't know much about those
21:45<guilherme>but i opened the jar file and it worked, but dont load the plug ins, i used this program some time ago, bofore format my notebook, and it is working good
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21:51<guilherme>ok, thanks for all i need to go, thanks
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22:02<rgb30>just tried to run an app and got an error message
22:02<rgb30>/lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found
22:03<rgb30>running etch. is this a older version of libc?
22:03<rgb30>dont' see it in the repos. can i just compile install the tarball of the libraries or should i find another solution
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22:04<tcsetattr>etch has glibc 2.3; your app requires 2.4
22:05<tcsetattr>ugprading libc in isolation won't be easy
22:05<tcsetattr>you'll end up with so many upgrades that you'll be half-way to lenny
22:06<rgb30>really. thought i had dont that before
22:06<tcsetattr>does do glibc? I'd be surprised, but I've been surprised before
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22:06<Steven_M>is my system in danger because of this error:
22:07<tcsetattr>Steven_M, what version of debian-archive-keyring do you have installed?
22:07<rgb30> how's lenny going?
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22:07<tcsetattr>how's lenny going for me? it gave me interesting problems to solve, and I like that.
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22:08<sylar># pvcreate /dev/md0
22:08<sylar> Device /dev/md0 not found (or ignored by filtering)
22:09<Steven_M>tcsetattr: oh, I just rang it again and it's gone
22:10<The_Stig> I am...THE STIG
22:11<abrotman>The_Stig: do you have a debian question?
22:11<The_Stig>isnt this a social channel?
22:12<abrotman>no, you want #debian-offtopic .. this is a support channel
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22:13<Steven_M>tcsetattr: 2009.01.31
22:13<tcsetattr>that's the new one. that's why the complaint went away
22:14<sylar>abrotman, can you help me?
22:14<tcsetattr>I got it too during my upgrade. there's apparently not a smooth transition from the old keys to the new keys. you have to just hold your breath and hope someone doesn't exploit that gap in the package-signing system
22:14<abrotman>sylar: buy hwraid
22:14<tcsetattr>well, does /dev/md0 exist? ls -l /dev/md0
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22:15<sylar>tcsetattr, yes
22:15<sylar>I have just made md0 #mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb3 /dev/sdc3
22:15<faca>hello, In a RAID5 with 5 disks, those disks can fail?
22:16<sylar>faca, yes
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22:16<sylar>faca, and raid 5 can have from 3 disk minimum
22:16<faca>sylar, 2 discs can fail (5 in total with RAID5) without losing data?
22:17<faca>#define discs disks
22:17<sylar>faca, 1 disk can fail without loosing data (hardware failure)
22:18<Steven_M>tcsetattr: if I had had accidentaly installed something while the complaint was there. Would my system be compromised?
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22:18<tcsetattr>Steven_M, no, because what you had was a valid key, but apt didn't know it yet.
22:19<faca>sylar, RAID5 but this has 5 disks, no matter the number of disks you have? can always fail even 1 single RAID5 that has 5 or 10 disks?
22:19<tcsetattr>Steven_M, however, the only way you could tell the difference between your situation and an ACTUAL compromise would be to manually verify the key fingerprint (A70DAF536070D3A1) from a trusted source.
22:19<sylar>faca, yes , only one fail at a time without loosing data
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22:19<sylar>faca, if you want more disk fail then use raid6
22:20<tcsetattr>Steven_M, the gap is that people who see that warning will not do the manual verification, thus opening the way for a theoretical compromise of the package-signing system
22:20<faca>sylar, Then I do not understand these people that has 5 disks in a raid 5! :(
22:20<tcsetattr>but we lived a long time without package-signing and not too many people got hit by rogue packages
22:20<sylar>hmm ## fdisk /dev/md/0
22:20<sylar>Unable to read /dev/md/0
22:21<faca>sylar, I have a server with 2 broken discs, 5 comprising the RAID5, bone will be impossible to recover data no?
22:21<tcsetattr>faca, the more disks you put into a RAID5, the higher ratio of useful space you get. with 3 disks, you get to use 2/3 of the total space and the rest is redundancy. with 5 disks, you get to use 4/5 of the space.
22:21<sylar>faca, raid 5 use one disk for the backup purpose , so if you have 10 disks you will have 90% utilization of the space
22:21<tcsetattr>increasing the number of disks in a RAID5 doesn't increaase the reliability - for that you need to use RAID6 or RAID10 or something like that.
22:22<sylar>faca, plus more disk is faster for big files
22:22<faca>sylar, ok, thanks.
22:22<sylar>faca, also , what is the chance that two disks will fail at the same time?
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22:27<Steven_M>tcsetattr: the thing is, and this embrasing for me to admit. I think I might've accidenty insttalled kmplayer a short time ago during the complaint. How do I check whether things are fine?
22:30<tcsetattr>ok, interesting question. I got the same warning as you during the upgrade, and I didn't bother to check it out either. what that means is I implicitly decided that I trust all the ISPs along the route from me to the debian server I downloaded from
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22:31<tcsetattr>what if I was wrong? in theory, I could be compromised now and not know it.
22:32<tcsetattr>a man-in-the-middle could be giving me malicious packages, including the new keyring that includes his signing key. how can I probably, in hindsight, verify that A70DAF536070D3A1 is a valid key, without trusting anything currently on my system?
22:32<tcsetattr>possibly by finding a copy of the keys on
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22:34<Steven_M>tcsetattr: so you think I'm over reacting, you don't think debian's repo could got broken into?
22:34<tcsetattr>it's all just too theoretical for me :) whatever answer I come up with you can say "but why do you trust THAT?"
22:35<tcsetattr>yes, definitely overreacting. just google A70DAF536070D3A1 and you'll see it's a common occurrence, if it was an attacker he's hit a lot of people :)
22:36<Steven_M>tcsetattr: ok sorry :)
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22:37<Steven_M>I just thought it was it was dangerous to install anything during a complaint
22:38<Steven_M>and foolishly, I may have done just that
22:38<tcsetattr>yes, it's OK to be a little concerned. but like I said, we had no key verification at all on Debian packages until recently, and there wasn't exactly an epidemic of trojan horse packages
22:39<Steven_M>ok :)
22:40<tcsetattr>I think etch was the first release to have checking in apt. there was debsig, but nobody used it
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22:41<rgb30>i'm getting an message when i run a java application
22:41<rgb30>a new version of your java runtime environment (1.6.0_12) is available. as it might contain security relevant changed, you should updte as soon as possible. do you want to update now?
22:41<tcsetattr>I'm a little worried about how much I've been able to ramble on in here today with nobody correcting me. Hope it means I've been right a lot
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22:44<rgb30>i downloaded an update and ran it. saw a bunch of line with content like
22:44<rgb30> creating: jre1.6.0_12/man/man1/
22:44<rgb30> inflating: jre1.6.0_12/man/man1/java.1
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22:44<rgb30>i'm wondering is that it or do i need to do something else?
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23:16<Astero1D>How do i find ips of all computer connected to LAN?
23:17<Hideo>Astero1D: nmap
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23:18<Astero1D>Hideo, thanks
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23:27<Astero1D>How do I list available displays?
23:28<Astero1D>like there's supposed to be 0:.0 or something
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23:28<Astero1D>trying to remember the parameter to be used with gmessage
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23:29<tcsetattr>:0.0 would be the usual DISPLAY
23:30<Astero1D>tcsetattr, why is this usual name so unusual to me?
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23:30<Astero1D>what's all the :0.0 supposed to mean?
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23:30<tcsetattr>it refers to screen 0 on display 0 on the local machine.
23:31<Astero1D>so gmessage -display :0.0 'my message' ???
23:31<tcsetattr>in core X11 terminology, a "screen" is a single monitor while a "display" is a unit consisting of a keyboard, a pointer device (mouse/trackball/touchpad/etc), and at leat one screen.
23:32<Astero1D>can I indicate for which user I want the message to be displayed?
23:32<tcsetattr>you're trying to connect to an X display belonging to another user? you'll have to get authorized somehow...
23:32<Astero1D>I'm sshing into my bro's comp, and the su, and then want to display him a message
23:33<tcsetattr>try running the "w" command. it sometimes shows the X display of a user's X login
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23:33<Astero1D>tcsetattr, what do you mean?
23:33<sylarr>is this normal for mdadm raid 5 to start with one drive spair?
23:34<tcsetattr>Astero1D, I mean at the shell prompt, hit the "w" key and then hit ENTER. It's a command that's one letter long :)
23:34<sylarr>mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 2 drives (out of 3) and 1 spare.
23:34<Astero1D>tcsetattr, ok, how do I use the info that it displayed?
23:34<sylarr>from what I know spair mean an idle drive that doesn't do anything and wait for the other to fail
23:34<sylarr>but I have only 3 drives
23:34<sylarr>so how can it be a spair?
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23:35<k1lumin4t1>is there anyway to downgrade the whole system using apt?
23:35<tcsetattr>Astero1D, look at it real hard until you spot the display name? or just use :0 that's likely to be the one.
23:36<Astero1D>it does not show display names
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23:36<tcsetattr>JUST USE :0 THEN!
23:37<chealer>!tell k1lumin4t1 about downgrade
23:37<Astero1D>tcsetattr, No protocol specified
23:37<Astero1D>gxmessage: unable to initialize GTK
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23:37<tcsetattr>you know, when I was a newbie, we used to pester other users in the computer lab by logging in remotely and playing sounds on the speaker. (permissions on /dev/audio weren't managed well.
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23:37<Astero1D>tcsetattr, haha lol
23:37<tcsetattr>you could be working and then suddenly your computer said "Soylent Green is people! It's PEEPLLE!"
23:38<Astero1D>or spontaneous fart sounds
23:38<Astero1D>that would be awesome
23:38<tcsetattr>we had a toilet flush soud.
23:38<tcsetattr>I hope you see the analogy with your gmessage plans :)
23:38<Astero1D>tcsetattr, I get an error message now
23:38<Astero1D>No protocol specified
23:38<Astero1D>gxmessage: unable to initialize GTK
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23:39<tcsetattr>sorry, I have no idea how gmessage works. it must require something more than just a normal -display arg
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23:41<tcsetattr>ok, I just installed gmessage
23:42<Astero1D>tcsetattr, I dont think it's possible to issue it for other users, no mention of it in man page
23:42<Astero1D>But there has to be a way, I mean this is Linux, everything is possible....
23:43<tcsetattr>it's just a matter of connecting to the display and getting the xauth right. (you have to steal the xauth)
23:43<tcsetattr>I don't know what it means by "No protocol specified"
23:43<tcsetattr>you did run gmessage -display :1 'blah blah blah' right?
23:43<Astero1D>no, -display:0.0
23:44<tcsetattr>put a space in there! you've got the argument squished against the option
23:44<Astero1D>sorry, I do have the space
23:45<tcsetattr>-display is the option, :0.0 is the argument you're giving it. there are some programs that take squished args, but this doesn't seem to be one of them
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23:46<tcsetattr>here's a way to check for a listening X server: netstat -xa|grep X11
23:46<racecar56>my gtk apps look ugly, what do i do?
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23:46<tcsetattr>drink beer until they're pretty?
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23:47<Astero1D>tcsetattr, how does that help me?
23:47<Astero1D>lol, @ beer
23:47<tcsetattr>just run it and tell me what it said :)
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23:48<tcsetattr>ok, you got an X0 and an X20, that means :0 and :20 should work as displays. one of them may be an ssh forwarder (going back to your own display perhaps)
23:49<Astero1D>so :20:0 then?
23:49<tcsetattr>instead of gmessage, gtk piece of crap (and ugly too according to racecar56) how about you just do a query: xdpyinfo -display :0
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23:50<Astero1D>tcsetattr, that outputed bunch of stuff
23:50<racecar56> is an example of what happens
23:51<tcsetattr>so it connected to the :0 display successfully.
23:51<Astero1D>no sorry
23:51<Astero1D>that was my local comp
23:51<Astero1D>No protocol specified
23:51<Astero1D>xdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0".
23:52<tcsetattr>why do you keep saying "No protocol specified"? where's that coming from?
23:52<Astero1D>it's outputed in the terminal
23:52<Astero1D>when i run: xdpyinfo -display :20 - it outputs that
23:52<tcsetattr>something really kooky is going on. does it say that for EVERY command you run?
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23:53<Astero1D>every? line cd and ls?
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23:53<Astero1D>cd worked, opening anno worked
23:54<tcsetattr>do "strace xdpyinfo -display :0" and tell me the last few lines
23:56<Astero1D>tcsetattr, let me know if you need more lines
23:56<tcsetattr>yeah, need more. how many did it produce? a few hundred?
23:57<racecar56>lucky you your paste is the 2900th's
23:58<tcsetattr>the error message comes directly from the X server! now to figure out what it means...
23:59<tcsetattr>oh it's an authorization message. could be made a bit clearer. you need to steal the target user's xauth
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23:59<tcsetattr>try export XAUTHORITY=/home/targetuser/.Xauthority
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