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---Logopened Mon Feb 23 00:00:19 2009
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00:00<Astero1D>tcsetattr, that goes before the command?
00:01<tcsetattr>yeah, do it first.
00:01<Astero1D>and then use :0.0 for display?
00:01<tcsetattr>or you could combine them into one like: XAUTHORITY=/home/targetuser/.Xauthority gmessage -display :0 'Soylent Green is people! IT'S PEEEPLLLLE!'
00:01<Astero1D>I get same error
00:02<tcsetattr>you do know that "targetuser" was something to be replaced by an actual username...
00:03<Astero1D>I replaced it
00:03<tcsetattr>env | grep XAUTH
00:03<Astero1D>get same error
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00:05<Astero1D>export XAUTHORITY=/home/john/.Xauthority; gmessage -display :0 'Testing'
00:05<Astero1D>gives me same error
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00:05<Lance4>hi again
00:05<Lance4>I got a new question
00:06<tcsetattr>ok... do this: xauth -v list
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00:06<Astero1D>aah, screw it
00:07<Astero1D>tcsetattr, thanks for help mape
00:07<Astero1D>he just shut it down :)
00:07<Hideo>all that just to screw with your brother?
00:08<Lance4>my usb hard drive has 2 partitions with info, one can be mounted and has a vfat file system, the other one cannot be mounted and is a ntfs(3.1) file system, why can't I mount both?
00:08<Astero1D>tcsetattr, thanks for all the hel mate
00:08<Astero1D>help* :)
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00:09<Lance4>and I'm running Debian 5.0 lenny on a Intel chipped laptop
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00:10<Lance4>so why can't I mount that volume ?
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00:13<tcsetattr>you don't have the ntfs mounter thing installed?
00:13<tcsetattr>ntfs3g I think it's called
00:14<Lance4>I google it
00:14<tcsetattr>oh it's got a hyphen, ntfs-3g
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00:14<tcsetattr>apt-get install ntfs-3g would be a good start
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00:15<g0nad>I've got a software RAID5 setup as /dev/md0. It won't mount on boot, it is in the fstab correctly. It's got me baffled.
00:15<g0nad>(it's not the root filesystem, just storage)
00:16<Lance4>ok its installing
00:16<Lance4>do I reboot after?
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00:16<tcsetattr>reboot? ha.
00:17<g0nad>for the most part you only need to reboot after kernel upgrades
00:17<Lance4>oh k
00:17<racecar56>ACK HELP!!! my /etc/apt/soruces.list got raided! all of the entrys are gone!!! i'm running lenny, what repos come with debian lenny?
00:17<Lance4>ok its installed
00:17<Lance4>let me see if it works
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00:17<stew>racecar56: /msg dpkg sources.list
00:18<Lance4>YAY!! ^_^
00:18<Lance4>it works now
00:18<Lance4>tnx for the info
00:18<tcsetattr>g0nad, I wonder if the mdadm startup script is run early enough to allow for an fstab entry to work
00:18<g0nad>exactly, I'm just not sure how to fix it.
00:19<g0nad>from /var/log/messages it appears that the md0 gets assembled last
00:19<Lance4>ok its good I'm playing a video off it right now
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00:19<Lance4>tnx u
00:20<Lance4>bye everyone, this place is soo helpful
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00:20<tcsetattr>ok, I see /etc/rcS.d/S25mdadm-raid comes before /etc/rcS.d/ so it should be working. what does your fstab line say exactly?
00:21<g0nad>/dev/md0 /SAMBA ext3 defaults 0 0
00:21<g0nad>if after it's booted I run 'mount -a', it mounts fine
00:21<tcsetattr>looks pretty normal. does it work after booting is complete?
00:21<tcsetattr>way to go, answer my question a millisecond after I asked it :)
00:21<g0nad>I just want it to be automagical
00:23<tcsetattr>do you see anything during boot that looks like an attempt to mount it?
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00:23<g0nad>no, nothing
00:23<tcsetattr>how about AUTOSTART in /etc/default/mdadm
00:25<g0nad>ls -1 /etc/rcS.d/* | grep md <- this doesn't give me anything
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00:25<tcsetattr>you don't have /etc/rcS.d/S25mdadm-raid ? what version of mdadm package do you have installed?
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00:26<g0nad>ii mdadm
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00:27<tcsetattr>how about /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid do you have that?
00:27<g0nad>/etc/init.d/mdadm-raid and /etc/init.d/mdadm
00:28<tcsetattr>ls -l /etc/rc*/*mdadm-raid
00:28<g0nad>/etc/rc0.d/K20mdadm-raid -> ../init.d/mdadm-raid
00:29<g0nad>/etc/rc1.d/K20mdadm-raid -> ../init.d/mdadm-raid
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00:29<g0nad>/etc/rc2.d/S20mdadm-raid -> ../init.d/mdadm-raid
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00:29<g0nad>/etc/rc3.d/S20mdadm-raid -> ../init.d/mdadm-raid
00:29<g0nad>/etc/rc4.d/S20mdadm-raid -> ../init.d/mdadm-raid
00:29<tcsetattr>wonder why yours are so different from mine
00:29<g0nad>/etc/rc5.d/S20mdadm-raid -> ../init.d/mdadm-raid
00:29<g0nad>/etc/rc6.d/K20mdadm-raid -> ../init.d/mdadm-raid
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00:30<g0nad>as in different K20 / S20 sort of thing?
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00:30<g0nad>what if I run update-rc.d mdadm-raid defaults ?
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00:31<tcsetattr>that update-rc.d is baffling to me. but it might help.
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00:32<g0nad>yeah, I just use it in good faith. but this never auto mounted :(
00:32<tcsetattr>I just did a purge and reinstall so I've got totally default setup of mdadm now, nothing left over from my old setup, and it has a /etc/rcS.d/S25mdadm-raid
00:34<g0nad>will I lose my raid5 array if I try the same? Or will it be recognised?
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00:35<g0nad>giving it a go
00:36<tcsetattr>I dunno. I don't have any md's that I'm actually using now so it was safe for me
00:37<tcsetattr>I'd say skip the update-rc.d sorcery and just run ln -s ../init.d/mdadm-raid /etc/rcS.d/S25mdadm-raid
00:38<g0nad>/etc/rcS.d/S25mdadm-raid -> ../init.d/mdadm-raid
00:38<g0nad>that's there now after a purge and install
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00:38<tcsetattr>now reboot and see what happens. and enable bootlogd so you have a record of it.
00:38<tcsetattr>hope you didn't lose any customized config by purging it
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00:42<g0nad>made a backup of mdadm.conf
00:42<g0nad>rebooting that machine now
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00:49<g0nad>/dev/md0 on /SAMBA type ext3 (rw)
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00:50<imajine_man>j/ pekalongan
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00:52<g0nad>thanks tcsetattr. You know, I think it was /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf that now has INITRDSTART='all'. It used to have INITRDSTART='none'. But, it's now clean, degraded. So have to readd a disk and wait six hours for it to rebuild. But desired result achieved.
00:53<g0nad>* /etc/default/mdadm
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01:02<Cornucopia>hi all :)
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01:05<Cornucopia>I have installed openssl-0.9.8j but my lenny still shows 0.9.8g ... how could I make 0.9.8j the default?
01:06<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: uh... why are you doing that?
01:07<Cornucopia>to have the the updated openssl
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01:08<Cornucopia>security fixes?
01:08<Cornucopia>you think 09.8g is ok?
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01:08<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: all of the known ones are already fixed in that version
01:09<dondelelcaro>(at least, AFAIK, anyway)
01:09<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: see /usr/share/doc/openssl/changelog.Debian.gz if you want to double check specific ones
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01:10<Cornucopia>this is how installed 0.9.8j:
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01:10<Cornucopia>wget && tar -zxvf openssl-0.9.8j.tar.gz && cd openssl-0.9.8j && ./Configure gcc && make && make install && cd .. && export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/pkgconfig/
01:10<dondelelcaro>well, that's pretty much broken
01:10<Cornucopia>how could I fix it?
01:11<dondelelcaro>since it's already installed to /usr; remove it and use the version that we distribute
01:11<Cornucopia>really appreciate your help dondelelcaro :)
01:11<Cornucopia>how would I remove it please?
01:11<dondelelcaro>depends on where it was installed to; I don't know what the default prefix is for openssl. Hopefully it's /usr/local, in which case you can just go through those directories and remove it
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01:12<dondelelcaro>if the default is /usr, then you have to examine the make -n install; output and see what it would have installed, and remove everything that isn't in Debian's openssl package, and then reinstall Debian's openssl package
01:13<Cornucopia>I have found it ...
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01:13<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: ok, so then presumably you installed it with a prefix of /usr/local/ssl, and you can just remove that directory
01:14<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: in general, if you're concerned about specific security bugs, you can look up the CVE number in the appropriate package's changelog
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01:14<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: if a bug hasn't been fixed, and it's been assigned a CVE number, there should be a bug filed in the BTS about it. If it's not there, file it, tag it security, and bring it to the attention of the Debian Security Team so a patch can be made to fix that problem
01:15<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: but in general, packages that we release to stable get security updates that just contain the specific fix necessary to fix the security bug
01:15<Cornucopia>if I remove /usr/local/ssl then I will completely remove 0.9.8j?
01:15<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: presumably
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01:15<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: but without seeing the output of make -n install; I can't really guarantee that
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01:16<Cornucopia>hi dkonissper :)
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01:17<Cornucopia>make -n install gave a huge output
01:17<Cornucopia>what about export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/ssl/lib/pkgconfig/ which I did?
01:18<Cornucopia>is it going to make any effect?
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01:18<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: that doesn't do anything
01:19<Cornucopia>how do u suggest I should examine the output of "make -n install"?
01:20<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: pipe it through less and see what things are installed to locations not in /usr/local/ssl
01:21<Cornucopia>I'm sorry ... but I don't know how to do it ... could you please help me? :)
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01:22<dondelelcaro>there should be a bunch of calls to install -d and similar things (or perhaps cp)
01:23<dondelelcaro>that's what you want to look at
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01:25<panthera>dondelelcaro: where do i get the source for the bts? apparently, it's not the debbugs package.
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01:25<dondelelcaro>panthera: it actually is in the debbugs package too, but it's a spectacularly old version
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01:26<panthera>dondelelcaro: thanks. also, i think to remmeber you saying at debconf last year,
01:27<panthera>dondelelcaro: that you have packages of that somewhere. true or do i have corrupted memory? :)
01:27<dondelelcaro>panthera: yeah, but they're no different from the versions you can make directly
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01:28<Cornucopia>dondelelcaro: suppose I want to make 0.9.8j my default, what should I do after installing?
01:28<dondelelcaro>panthera: there are some problems with them though, which is really why I haven't uploaded them even to experimental
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01:28<panthera>dondelelcaro: well, they would be apt-get'able which would be nice.
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01:28<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: if you really wanted to use 0.9.8j, which is a bad idea, you should start with the Debian package, and use uupdate to update to the new orig.tar.gz
01:28<panthera>dondelelcaro: anything i could help to make the upload to exp happen?
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01:30<dondelelcaro>panthera: really is the list of things that is blocking an upload
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01:30<Cornucopia>dondelelcaro: "you should start with the Debian package, and use uupdate to update to the new orig.tar.gz" ... could you elaborate buddy? :)
01:30<dondelelcaro>panthera: #2 is basically the most important part for an upload to experimental, and it'd be nice if it was actually tested to at least kind of work
01:33<panthera>dondelelcaro: that sounds, given the circumstances that i'm not familiar with bts, an easy possibility to help.
01:33<panthera>dondelelcaro: i'll have a look at in tomorrow.
01:33<dondelelcaro>panthera: yeah; it basically needs someone who has enough time to play with it to update the documentation and everything
01:33<dondelelcaro>(and I have to try not to break it from under someone who is doing that)
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01:34<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: I could, but explaining in enough detail to update a package like openssl which is non-trivial would basically require me to explain how to package things for Debian
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01:35<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: that said, man uupdate; will sort of explain what's going on there, and the new maintainer's guide will help fill in the rest of the blanks
01:35<panthera>dondelelcaro: just making sure; i'm supposed to send patches against, right?
01:35<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: apt-get source openssl; would help with the rest of it
01:35<dondelelcaro>panthera: right
01:35<dondelelcaro>panthera: you can also track the version that I'm working on too if you want
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01:35<Cornucopia>thanks dondelelcaro .. you rave mate! :)
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01:37<Steven_M>is there anyway to get proprity realtech audio drivers for debian?
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01:38<rgb30>i have a wget line that's rejecting all the files i'm telling it to get
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01:38<dondelelcaro>Steven_M: which realtek driver?
01:38<rgb30>wget -A '*.pdf' -m -np -i get1
01:38<dondelelcaro>rgb30: you want wget -A pdf
01:39<rgb30>wget -A jpg -m -np -i get1
01:39<rgb30>still rejecting
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01:39<Steven_M>dondelelcaro: not sure yet. just theorising
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01:40<jm_>just use lftp instead of wget
01:41<rgb30>i was just getting the hang of wget
01:42<Steven_M>dondelelcaro: thus far I can never get music to sound as good under Linux as it does on Windows
01:43*Steven_M goes to dinner
01:44<dondelelcaro>rgb30: then you'll have to show us the exact command that you're running
01:44<dondelelcaro>rgb30: since that's how you limit an accept to a specific extension
01:45<rgb30>wget -A jpg -m -np -i get1
01:45<rgb30>get1 is a list of urls. all direct links to pdf files
01:46<dondelelcaro>if they're direct links to pdf files, getting jpg's from them isn't going to work
01:46<rgb30>i made the correction
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01:46<rgb30>rather that was a typo here
01:47<dondelelcaro>furthermore, if you've got a link to pdfs, there's no point in limiting yourself to only getting pdf files
01:47<dondelelcaro>finally, the actual url has to end in pdf for it to be followed
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01:48<dondelelcaro>if you want it to get an html file, then get other html files, and find the pdf links on those pages, you have to let it follow html links too
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01:57<joss>hi, does glx dri work inside the openvz container?
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02:07<racecar56>im back
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02:09<racecar56>my firefox looks horrible and i'm sick of seeing it like that, what am i gonna do? it's all of my GTK+ apps that do that. i'm using debian lenny 5.0 KDE 3.5.10
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02:10<Hideo>racecar56: look into gtk-chtheme
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02:12<Astero1D>I want to learn to be able to write scripts in linux. How would I write a simple script that ssh -es into a system, does something and then exits?
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02:12<jm_>you don't need a script for that
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02:13<jm_>racecar56: install one of many gtk themes and set it as default
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02:16<Astero1D>jm_, I dont need a script for it?
02:16<racecar56>how to set a gtk theme as default
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02:17<racecar56>Astero1D: it's easy as pie to make it ssh into a system but from there i dont think it would do anything
02:18<Astero1D>racecar56, I need to automate something
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02:18<Astero1D>racecar56, there has to be a way
02:18<jm_>ssh host commands
02:19<Astero1D>I need to ssh into a system then mysqldump a database, then tar/gzip it, then script should scp this file down to my system, untar it and insert in local db
02:20<jm_>ssh host mysqldump --blabla | gzip > mydump.gz
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02:22<jhonyyy90>anyone person here speak spanish? I need help but my English is don't perfect :P
02:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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02:24<racecar56>Hideo OMG it looks SO much better, i got the murrine-themes package and i used gtk-chtheme to change the theme to aqua-ish murrine theme and it matches my keramik! thank you!
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02:26<Hideo>racecar56: np :P
02:27<unrealer>hallo, ich will mein debian verschlüsseln. da ich mein system grade erst installiert habe, wollte ich debian wieder erneut installieren und bei der installation verschlüsseln. wird bei der installation auch die swap verschlüsselt oder bleibt die unverschlüsselt und muss die im anschluss verschlüsseln?
02:28<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
02:28<racecar56>so much better than that theme i call 'the screw'd up GTK+'
02:30<Astero1D>how do I echo a newline in shell script?
02:30<Astero1D>echo "test \n here" does not work
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02:31<Hideo>Astero1D: echo -e
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02:32<Astero1D>Hideo, thank you
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02:35<Astero1D>Hideo, how do I check if login succeded? I need to ssh into a system using a shell script and write acondition to check if login succeeded or if it failed
02:36<Hideo>Astero1D: I dunno :(
02:36<Astero1D>ok thanks :)
02:37<[agatha]>good morning... got a question (probably a bit silly... ) i was running lenny but i saw a final lenny release has come out (stable) do i need to use apt-get dist upgrade or just updating the system will do?/
02:38<jm_>$? will be set to 0 if ssh login succeeded
02:38<jm_>[agatha]: safe-upgrade shall do
02:38<Astero1D>$? is what?
02:40<[agatha]>and now another one... does anyone know how to make my ipod nano 4th gen recognized by ANY program? i am gonna try floola shortly but it doesn't look like anything else will support it, and im getting desperate ;d
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02:44<ajay>hi to all i am having webcam of iball C 8.0 which uses v4l2 driver,can anyone tell me what is the utility to use it
02:44<jm_>search for v4l apps
02:45<jm_>or for webcam apps
02:45<Tekno>cheese is nice webcam app
02:45<Astero1D>jm_, how do check if I sshed in or not? and how do I avoid output displaing in terminal from remote system that script is sshing into?
02:46<jm_>Astero1D: I already told you - $? will be set to 0 if login succeeded
02:46<Astero1D>jm_, and I can echo $?
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02:46<Astero1D>how do I disable outputting stuff that remote server ourputs?
02:46<jm_>Astero1D: it's just a variable, you can do anything with it that you do with variables
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02:47<jm_>redirect it to /dev/null
02:47<Astero1D>jm_, how is that done?
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02:47<jm_>(well not anything, it's a read-only variable I think)
02:47<jm_>Astero1D: you don't know how to redirect stuff? read abs howto
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02:48<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
02:48<Astero1D>where is abs howto/.
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02:48<jm_>!tell Astero1D about abs
02:48<jm_>the last URL
02:49<[agatha]>oh boy... now another problem...i just extracted a tar.gz file with tar zxf , now the directory has been created and with ls i get into it. but when i use ./configure says no such file or directory... what i am doing wrong now?
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02:50<Hideo>[agatha]: cd into it, not ls
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02:51<[agatha]>Hideo, just tried... still nothing
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02:51<[agatha]>im as root right now, and into the directory... i dunno maybe not being root?
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02:56<Hideo>[agatha]: test -x configure ; echo $?
02:57<[agatha]>moment i'll do it
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02:57<[agatha]>hmm no answer Hideo
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02:58<[agatha]>just a new empty line
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02:59<Hideo>well... then the file configure does not exist
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02:59<[agatha]>hmmm and how to create it or get one or...?
03:00<Hideo>ls doesn't show it?
03:00<[agatha]>hmmm how? i mean where i should use ls to see that file?
03:00<[agatha]>this is the first time i try to use it
03:01<Hideo>first of all, are you in that directory? I'm busy, not paying close attention to the chan
03:01<[agatha]>yes i am in the directory that zxf just created (used cd after ls when i noticed)0
03:02<Hideo>then type ls, do you see the configure file?
03:02<[agatha]>but i see an executable file, (which opens the program i wanted to install)
03:03<[agatha]>i think i will use virtualbox for my ipod because this is a bit of a mess for me...
03:03<Hideo>is there a README or an INSTALL file? Did you read them?
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03:03<[agatha]>yes but says nothing
03:03<jm_>what are you trying to do?
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03:03<[agatha]>install floola jm_ ... struggling with some program to put music in my ipod
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03:04<[agatha]>amarok, musicbox hipo gtkpod banshee... won't work
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03:04<jm_>maybe the problem is elsewhere, i.e. you not having permission to access the device or so
03:05<[agatha]>so i found floola but it's a tar.gz, uncompressed with tar zxf filename, got in the directory, and i was about to use ./config when the problem started...
03:05<jm_>does it have
03:05<[agatha]>hmmm no
03:05<[agatha]>just Floola and readme.txt
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03:05<[agatha]>when i run Floola like that the program opens, but i really have no idea if there's something missing
03:05<Jpdota>[agatha]: where's the url for this .tar.gz?
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03:06<[agatha]>i had to download it via torrent
03:06<[agatha]>but i will try to find the url
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03:06<Jpdota>nevermind then
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03:06<jm_>you're supposed to run ./Floola
03:07<[agatha]>hmm moment then
03:07<[agatha]>thank you !! :)
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03:08<Hideo>oh btw, if you're running crapware as root, you're asking for trouble
03:08<[agatha]>define "crapware" please?
03:09<[agatha]>it doesn't work anyway.. so VB will be the option i think
03:09<[agatha]>wonder why itunes cannot be wined
03:09<Hideo>or it might have worked, but in ways you didn't know of
03:10<[agatha]>now this is the scary part Hideo ...
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03:10<Hideo>you shouldn't run just any executable you download online as root
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03:10<Hideo>arg, afk..
03:10<[agatha]>i uncompressed as root.. just run it like my normal session, i thought it could be failing because of that
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03:11<[agatha]>yeah me too.... time to go to work :) thank you jm_ it did not quite work, but maybe i will manage later
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03:22<Hideo>I dunno, for some reason the terms "softpedia,, freeware" I get when I googled floola reminded me very much of the days of kazaa, windows, and spyware, hence why I called it crapware
03:23<Hideo>oh he/she left
03:23<Alba>ahaaa i see Hideo ... anyway as i said i think i will have to use VB it will be easier
03:23<Alba>no Hideo
03:23<Alba>still here ;p
03:23<Alba>but i am leaving, shortly, finishing my coffee and a ciggi... need to start working in an hour
03:24<Alba>need to marry a rich guy and stay @ home all day long hehe
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03:24<Alba>or win a lotto
03:24<jm_>try "100 protiv 1" quiz
03:24<jm_>or is it 1 vs. 100
03:25<Hideo>heh, stay @ home without work is a good way to age and the deathbeds
03:25<Alba>maybe it would be boring
03:25<Alba>i dunno... after some time maybe it wouldnt be so great
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03:25<Alba>had 3 weeks of holidays in xmas and it was a bit of too much...
03:26<Alba>i just hate the 10.30 shift
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03:26<sepski>with enough money one could work on what one like. instead f what brings food on the table :)
03:27<sepski>eg debian instead of admining windows servers :)
03:27<Alba>hehe i just started working for sun systems... but right now is no work, just training after training
03:28<sepski>debian instead of solaris... same thing :)
03:28<Alba>i have 3 months of solaris everywhere and sometimes i wonder why on earth i changed my nice job fixing outlooks for this
03:28<sepski>just a jest i am envyous :)
03:28<Alba>i kind of regret it... you know when you think... oh my god exactly what went thru mi mind to get into this mess??
03:28<sepski>think of it as boot camp :)
03:29<Hideo>sepski: or building your own spaceship to get off this rock :P
03:29<sepski>defititly :)
03:30<Alba>well Albi needs to iron some clothes and take a shower... so see you around guys and thanks for all your help :)
03:30<Alba>nfortunately i am not rich (yet)
03:30<Hideo>later Alba
03:30<Alba>laters :)
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03:41<ajay>hi i am not able to use webcam in debian..Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0c45:6270 Microdia U-CAM PC Camera NE878
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03:44<koperton>hi i am on sid and i would like install compiz... but i have some problem with emerald
03:44<koperton>i mean i have not decorations stuff
03:45<koperton>when i try sudo apt-get install emerald it said there is not the package ... on debian there is not emerald?
03:46<koperton>i tried with sudo dpkg -S emerald and i get only stupid stuff like oxigen packages
03:46<ajay>Astero1D, but my device is detected problem is in application
03:47<Astero1D>ajay, not sure, I'm a total newbie
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03:48<chealer>koperton: no
03:49<koperton>so i could i set compiz decoration
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03:49<koperton>text editoR?
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03:51<aqua>i attached a PL head set to my pc and it doesn't produce sound
03:52<aqua>i tried looking in the asoundconf list devices and didn't see it as a device
03:52<Astero1D>did you configure alsa?
03:52<aqua>i am quite new to debian and linux at all
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03:52<aqua>Astero1D, what do you mean?
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03:52<aqua>i have sound through the speakers
03:52<Astero1D>I am a newbie too but here's what you could try:
03:53<Astero1D>type alsaconf in terminal and it will configure your sound devices
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03:53<aqua>but it's supposed to recognize my headset?
03:53<Astero1D>if alsa is not installed, type: apt-get install alsa as ROOT in terminal
03:53<koperton>chealer: well i have nto minimize maximize and close buttons so what i have to do to get the right visualization on debian if i can't install emerald-theme-manager
03:53<aqua>and must i do that everytime i am attaching my head set?
03:54<Astero1D>aqua, wait, what type of headset is it?
03:54<Astero1D>or regular with cable?
03:54<aqua>Astero1D, nope said it's a pl head set
03:54<aqua>regular pl cable
03:55<Astero1D>plantronix? lol
03:55<aqua>mono, yes the regular cable, not usb etc.
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03:55<chealer>koperton: I don't know what visualization means
03:56<koperton>chealer: i have not minimize button, maximize button and close button if i use compiz, on other distribution i used install emerald to fix this problem
03:56<aqua>i think my alsa is configured correctly since i have perfect sound through my card
03:56<aqua>it's just i don't know how to move sound to my headset and back to speakers when i want to
03:57<aqua>or more specifically in skype, when i plugin my usb head set (it's broken) it was seen by skype and skype gave me the change between option
03:57<koperton>chealer: i mean on every windows
03:57<koperton>chealer: xD applications
03:57<aqua>but with the regular headset it is not recognized in skype, and i can't change that
03:57<chealer>koperton: I have no idea about your problem, I never used compiz
03:57<Astero1D>aqua, does your headset work with any other program?
03:57<aqua>Astero1D, nope
03:58<koperton>chealer: that's ok , thank you anyway
03:58<Astero1D>Does the headset work on ano other computer or device?
03:58<aqua>i don't know how to switch sound to it
03:58<buffoon_work>koperton, do you have problems installing emerald?
03:58<aqua>the headset is fine yes, it works on windows
03:58<jm_>you can select default alsa device in .asoundrc
03:58<jm_>or just test it with speaker-test -D foo
03:58<koperton>buffoon_work: i can't that is xD there is not on the repo?
03:58<aqua>jm_, but i am not sure it's even seen in the system as a sound device
03:58<aqua>how do i see that?
03:58<koperton>buffoon_work: i am on sid
03:59<aqua>i did asoundconf list
03:59<aqua>and didn't see it
03:59<buffoon_work>seems not...
03:59<Astero1D>aqua, I dont think speakers and headsets are sound devices... the sound card is a sound device
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03:59<jm_>aqua: you need to connect it to an audio device, or is this some sort of usb audio thing?
03:59<aqua>but a usb headset is recognized as a device vor sure
03:59<buffoon_work>maybe you have to wait a few days because maintainers are upgrading or something like that
04:00<Astero1D>aqua, you said it's not a USB device
04:00<aqua>jm_, nope, it's a pl headset inserted into the sound sockets in my pc
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04:00<aqua>the grin and pink ones
04:00<jm_>aqua: well in that case it wouldn't show up in device list
04:00<buffoon_work>sid after a release often has some dependency problems
04:00<koperton>buffoon_work: ah omg xD i am going to download from ubuntu repo , it's not the right way but i have to do a screencast right now
04:00<buffoon_work>i really don't recommend you to do that...
04:01<aqua>jm_, what do you mean?
04:01<aqua>ohhhhhhh i think i know what happens foolish me, i will check it out
04:01<koperton>buffoon_work: mmm i figured out it's was not nice way
04:01<jm_>aqua: I mean what I said, it's not an ALSA managed device
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04:01<koperton>buffoon_work: anyway thank you for your support
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04:02<Astero1D>aqua, what was the problem?
04:02<aqua>a pl device?
04:02<aqua>a regular headset?
04:03<Astero1D>what's pl?
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04:04<Astero1D>jm_, his speakers work but headset doesnt, this is hardware issue not linux isnt it?
04:04<Astero1D>jm_, but he sais it works in windows
04:04<jm_>Astero1D: it could mean one needs to tell alsa to output it to a particular output for example
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04:07<Astero1D>how can I store a password so that my script can automatically use it when it ssh es to other comp?
04:08<jm_>you should use ssh passphrase and ssh agent
04:09<Astero1D>jm_, and how would I store for example mysql password on remote pc, where I will be issuing commands to make a dump file?
04:09<jm_>Astero1D: that would largely depend on how one can specify it to mysql
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04:10<Astero1D>jm_, usually I do "mysql -u username -p" and it prompts me for password
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04:13<jm_>Astero1D: yes, you'll need to tell it the password one way or another if it's required
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04:13<Astero1D>can a shell script "supply" it?
04:13<aqua>Astero1D, sorry for disappearing but i am at work
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04:14<jm_>well man page suggests one can say --password foo
04:14<aqua>the problem was that i am connected to a kvm and the sound output was through it,
04:14<jm_>if you think that's a good idea ...
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04:14<Astero1D>jm_, how else can I automate this?
04:14<aqua>that is why sound didn't come through head set
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04:15<jm_>Astero1D: one way would be to have allow localhost connections with specific username without a password (if mysql allows that)
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04:16<aqua>10x guys you helped me a lot, Astero1D thanks, jm_ thanks
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04:17<Astero1D>jm_, I could do that, I just think it's not the most secure
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04:24<zhangsha>what can i use for share-list analyzing under debian
04:24<zhangsha>what can i use for share-list analyzing under debian
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04:25<Internat>zhangsha: can you be more descriptive? i dont understand what you kmean
04:26<zhangsha>is there Market Analysis System with debian
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04:27<jm_>Astero1D: just like putting password in a script isn't
04:27<Astero1D>jm_, agree
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04:27<Astero1D>there has to be a better way
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04:32<zhangsha>is there System for analysis of financial markets with debian?
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04:34<petemc>anything that can plot a graph at a downward angle should work
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04:35<Astero1D>petemc, hahaha
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04:41<zhangsha>System for analysis of financial markets
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04:43<simonrvn>zhangsha: wrong channel, try #finance
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04:44<Steven_M>does anyone here use the debian multimedia repo?
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04:45<Astero1D>I have to connect to ssh or use scp comman several times in shell script, so itasks me for remote pc password several times. How can I make shell script ask me a pass once in begining, set it as variable and use it every time ssh or scp command requests it?
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04:45<Astero1D>simonrvn, is that an utility?
04:45<hello>wer is hier so
04:45<simonrvn>see man page
04:45<hello>ihr omis
04:45<Guest329>iam better than you all
04:46<hello>i hacck the system
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04:46<simonrvn>Guest329: have self-esteem issues?
04:46<hello>i am the devill: "666"
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04:46<hello>fuck you to death
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04:46<hello>fuck you to death
04:46<Guest329>simonrvn: no sorry
04:46<hello>MAKE A BLOWJOB
04:46<simonrvn>nice way to die :P
04:46<Guest329>shut up hello
04:46<hello>blow me one
04:46<Guest329>SHUT UP
04:47<simonrvn>!ops Guest329 and hello
04:47<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Guest329 and hello
04:47<hello> very good
04:47<hello>wer seid ihr ihr assi
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04:47<Tekno>wheres operators
04:47<hello>tick the link
04:47<hello>and write in: the devil i the bed
04:47<hello>*in sry<
04:47<Masteroftheschool>i dontknow sry
04:48<Astero1D>!initiate virus boot > hello
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04:48<simonrvn>\o/ Maulkin - thanks
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04:48<Maulkin>Guest326: Please don't respond to the bot
04:48<Astero1D>another envious Vista user?
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04:50<Maulkin>Masteroftheschool: you can leave too.
04:50<Maulkin>And jmmmmmmmmbui
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04:51<Astero1D>simonrvn, ssh-agent is cool, but can I use a variable?
04:52<Astero1D>like ssh user@host /path/to/script < $somevariable
04:52<simonrvn>you have the man page there, read it ;). i usually use it in combo with 'keychain' and run the latter on login
04:52<simonrvn>you're not grokking the usage
04:53<Astero1D>simonrvn, I meant to say doin it without ssh agent
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04:54<simonrvn>you asked a question, i gave you a solution. try it.
04:54<Astero1D>simonrvn, ok
04:54<jm_>why do you insist on doing things the hard way?
04:54<Astero1D>jm_, me?
04:54<jm_>heck Debian can start ssh as part of your X session
04:54<jm_>Astero1D: yes
04:54<jm_>ssh-agent that is
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04:55<simonrvn>now, one thing that would be nice is getting gpg-agent to behave similarly
04:55<simonrvn> ssh-agent
04:55<Tuplad>hey! after the big big update (to 5.0 I guess), I've encountered a problem. all the extensions' associations are gone... I have to right click > open with each and every program, it won't just open by clicking on it. anyone else had this ?
04:56<jm_>simonrvn: I can see it adding itself to xsession
04:56<Tuplad>I'm using gnome btw.
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04:58<simonrvn>jm_: yeh, it does here too, but i end up with several daemons running at once, instead of one handling multiple ttys/vts
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04:58<jm_>simonrvn: ohh
04:58<Astero1D>I'm reading man ssh-agent and it's like chineese to me
04:58<subodh>hi plz tell me if photoshop CS2 can be install in ubuntu ?
04:58<simonrvn>even doing it via keychain it ended up that way
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04:59<SlimeyPete>subodh: it can, using Wine. See the Wine appdb.
04:59<dpkg>[wine] packaged in the 'wine' package., #winehq ( Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A not so buggy anymore alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.
04:59<Astero1D>subodh, ask in #ubuntu
04:59<simonrvn>subodh: why use a proprietary POS when you can use gimp?
04:59<simonrvn>subodh: ask in #ubuntu
04:59<subodh>sorry i came here by mistake
05:00<Astero1D>subodh, use gimp mate
05:00<subodh>what is gimp mate ?
05:00<Astero1D>opensource image manipulation program like photoshop, GIMP
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05:00<Sigkim>How do I get an ident server to run? I've installed pidentd yet when I nmap myself it shows port 113 as being closed
05:00<Astero1D>by 'mate' I was refering to you
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05:01<subodh>Astero1D - i dont know about gimp
05:01<Astero1D>subodh, download it and try it
05:01<Astero1D>you can get it for windows too
05:01<Astero1D>(if you have not switched yet)
05:02<petemc>Sigkim: is it running? ps aux|grep -i ident
05:02<jm_>Sigkim: is it configured to run standalone?
05:02<jm_>ahh no, it always starts from inetd - try sending SIGHUP to that
05:02<jm_>but update-inetd should do that
05:02<petemc>i use oidentd which doesnt use identd
05:02<petemc>erm, inetd
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05:03<simonrvn>same here, and handles NATted hosts well
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05:03<boris_>Sigkim: man update-inetd
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05:07<Sigkim>ah, thanks boris and jm_
05:08<Sigkim>i'm going to try it right now
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05:10<Sigkim>It shows the port as open in nmap now, but still doesn't auth. The port is forwarded, is there a way to enable logging on it to see what's going on?
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05:12<simonrvn>you shouldn't use nmap on localhost
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05:13<Sigkim>It shows "tcp 0 0* LISTEN" in netstat
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05:15<paveq>what can I do when I can't get keyboard working correctly
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05:15<paveq>correct keymap seems to load, but not all keys work correctly
05:15<paveq>very very weird
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05:15<paveq>any attempt to fix this has failed
05:16<dgodfather>HI guys, if i installed a package with dpkg (downloaded), and a new version is out in dpkg package too. how do i upgrade?
05:16<dgodfather>i didn't find anything about that. can you direct me to a good place explaining that?
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05:18<cliffbreaker>hi everyone. Got a slight problem with vlc - just installed it and it doesn't play videos - when I open avi file there is only audio from it and no picture. Why is it so?
05:19<simonrvn>Sigkim: that's fine
05:20<simonrvn>dgodfather: that's why there's a sources.list and apt
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05:22<Sigkim>simonrvn: But it doesn't respond to ident requests, is there a way to enable logging?
05:22<simonrvn>depends, they usually log to syslog
05:22<dgodfather>simonrvn, yes i know but VirtualBox newest version isn't in apt
05:22<dgodfather>isn't managed AFAIK
05:23<dgodfather>simonrvn, R U saying it's not possible?
05:23<simonrvn>sun has a source
05:23<simonrvn>add it, update, be happy
05:23<dgodfather>simonrvn, oh, great thanks
05:23<jm_>Sigkim: how do you know it's not?
05:24<themill>dgodfather: Just when their .debs break, be sure to ask them about it, not us.
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05:25<dgodfather>themill, it makes you mad that people use a sun product for a sun official site?
05:25<dgodfather>and not the one maintained in debian?
05:26<simonrvn>why would it make him mad?
05:26<jm_>cliffbreaker: you're probably missing video codecs
05:26<simonrvn>it's just the truth dude. it's third party. we're not responsible for what you do to your box.
05:26<Sigkim>jm_: Because Sigkim is ~fff@
05:27<Sigkim>and [05:08:13] *** No Ident response
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05:27<themill>dgodfather: no, not at all. It's just that *when* they make broken .debs, we can end up spending a lot of time trying to work out what's wrong, and the problem isn't with the debian packages at all but with some other crap that we have no way of fixing.
05:27<jm_>Sigkim: try it locally
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05:33<dgodfather>themill, got you. and you meant if the source package break? or if i only download the .deb file and install?
05:34<themill>dgodfather: both.
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05:34<dgodfather>but i see that in their source an older version is obtained.
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05:36<dgodfather>well thank you guys
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05:38<vfaronov>Hello. Running lenny. exim4 (serving as a local-only MTA) insists on making useless DNS queries unless it gets an FQDN from `hostname --fqdn`. Is there any way to circumvent this besides putting the FQDN into /etc/hosts?
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05:40<azeem_>vfaronov: what's wrong with putting the FQDN into /etc/hosts?
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05:41<vfaronov>azeem: Well, nothing in particular, but I have avahi running so it's responsible for my FQDN (foobar.local). I am not sure if they will live together happily so I wanted to check for alternative solutions
05:41<Sigkim>jm_: I checked the log and now I get "netlink_lookup: write failed: Connection refused"
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05:42<vfaronov>So far both exim4 and avahi seem happy with the setup, but I'm not versed in the workings of the resolver, so...
05:43<jm_>Sigkim: right that's why it probably doesn't work
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05:44<petemc>vfaronov: perhaps if you explicitly set the primary_hostame parameter exim wont do the lookups
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05:45<jm_>Sigkim: I get the same with pidentd, but oidentd works OK
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06:05<vfaronov>petemc: Thanks, that seems to have worked (by defining a MAIN_HARDCODE_PRIMARY_HOSTNAME macro in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.localmacros)
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06:07<red_>hi how can I mount a local file system
06:07<jm_>put it in fstab
06:08<Tekno> /etc/fstab
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06:50<lalelu>debian news says they're building a snapshot archive of all current and future packages. i'd rather have all past and current packages there.
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06:51<koollman>lalelu: something like ?
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06:53<dpkg>methinks snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information.
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06:57<jm_>looks like petemc has the best english parser/mind reader implemented - I also thought the question was about debian-archive
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06:58<lalelu>sometimes there are holes in the chronology of concerning the news item, 3GB per day _is_ insane
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07:15<ikonia>elkbuntu: hi
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07:15<elkbuntu>ikonia, :)
07:16<ikonia>just saying hi
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07:22<richi_>Hello, i have Debian Lenny AMD64 and got the following error: /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.2/../../../../lib/libipq.a(libipq.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `ipq_errmap' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC. I have compiled the same on a 32 bit debian sid system.
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07:26<jm_>richi_: you need to do what it tells you
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07:53<rybar>i'm using lenny latest kernel (2.6.26-1-amd64) with openafs, works fine
07:54<rybar>but 2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 does not work good with openafs
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07:54<rybar>there are some backtrace errors, when i start using afs
07:55<rybar>where should i propagate this?
07:55<rybar>i've build openafs modules using module-assistant
07:55<jm_>probably try newer kernel first
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07:56<jm_>or if it's in afs, newer release of that
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07:59<rybar>so i'm forced to use the non-distro-stable kernel/afs/openvz?
08:00<jm_>forced? no one is forcing you
08:00<jm_>you can always check BTS and submit a bug if there isn't one yet
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08:11<jmux>Hi - I'm on Etch with a NSS + PAM ldap backend. I have more the 32 groups assigned to my user. id + id <uig> are ok, but /proc/$$/status just shows 32 groups. /proc/sys/kernel/ngroups_max is - as expected - 65536 - any ideas how to get more then 32 gids per process?
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08:15<jm_>jmux: kernel limits the display to 32 only
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08:20<jmux>jm_: ok, is there a way to get real list of groups of a process?
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08:24<jm_>jmux: how about getgroups()?
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08:26<jmux>jm_: ok - without writing a C program... any simple unix command available?
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08:27<soni>what was you trying to fo jmux?
08:27<jm_>jmux: not that I know, and you shouldn't need to write a C program
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08:32<jmux>soni: I've backported VrtualBox 2.0.2 for Etch some time ago. One of my users tried to start it today, but the program tells him, he is not in the vboxuser group. I checked his groups, the device rights are correkt, but he's unable to start VirtualBox.
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08:34<jmux>So I had a look at /proc/$$/status and as there were just 32 groups, without the vboxuser one, I thought this might be the problem.
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08:34<soni>hmm. Sorry, can't think of any solution. Have used VirtualBox for a little time.
08:35<jm_>connect to his shell with gdb, run 'call getgroups(0,0)' - what does it say?
08:35<weasel>soni: don't you do that again.
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08:35<u_>enouf, hi
08:36<enouf>u_: aloha
08:36<u_>enouf, crappy internet connection yesterday
08:36<enouf>u_: why were you ctcp pinging me?
08:36<enouf>oh - ok
08:36<u_>enouf, i was trying to msg but ..
08:37<u_>enouf, anyway about that weird proble
08:38<jmux>jm_: I just got an other idea - but checking with gdb will take some time - never thought to use gdb this way :-)
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08:39<u_>enouf, remember i tried loggin in with root and didn't happend ? the fadeing in gnome-terminal that is, so i maded a couple of users to test, and the problem never repeated, it was just happening with the original user i added when installing debian
08:40<jm_>jmux: ahh maybe ltrace-ing the app will also reveal what it detects
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08:42<u_>enouf, the user was "u", so the next logic thing to do was removing user "u" then add it again, that way any gnome setting would go away, so i backed my home dir and did it, but the silly thing didn't work, same thing, so i noticed that removing user "u" left some settings, i mean when you remove a user with userdel -f -r user it should remove everything related to that user right ? well in my case it seems it was remembering because i had the same
08:42<u_>wallpaper and other stuff after removing and adding the same user
08:42<u_>sorry for the flood :)
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08:43<u_>if i added another user it didn't remember the wallpaper
08:43<u_>so i added user "u" again with a different id 1003 ( from the original 1000)
08:44<u_>and it works
08:44<u_>but if i remove user "u" and add it again with uid 1000 happends again and remembers the wallpaper
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08:44<u_>crazy thing
08:44<richi_>if i do that i got the following error: ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/
08:44<enouf>u_: using shadowed passwds at all?
08:45<richi_>ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ undefined symbol: ipq_create_handle
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08:45<u_>enouf, i guess so, my user is in /etc/shadow
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08:45<enouf>u_: and /etc/gshadow?
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08:46<u_>enouf, yes
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08:46<u_>enouf, i can repeat the issue any time, when i add user "u" with uid 1000 :)
08:47<enouf>u_: well, it's something gnome knows about your user u / or it's id
08:47<enouf>try username 'waldo' or something as 1000
08:47<u_>enouf, i guess so, i'd say about id 1000 more then the name, because the same name with id 1003 works
08:47<u_>enouf, hmm ok
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08:48<u_>see ya
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08:48<k-man>i have this package selinux-policy-default installed on my system
08:48<k-man>do i need it? can i uninstall it?
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08:51<enouf>k-man: dmesg | grep -i selinux
08:51<k-man>err.. nothing
08:51<enouf>i'm pretty sure it's disabled via default still .. which is fine, if so, sure, uninstall it
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08:52<k-man>my dmesg seems full of lirc messages
08:52<enouf>k-man: grep -i selinux /var/log/dmesg
08:52<enouf>buffer is overrun
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08:53<soni>gtg, see ya
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08:55<u_>enouf, well with waldo (uid 1000) it doesn't happend, so gnome remembers the name too
08:56<u_>enouf, anyway i don't care using uid 1003 with my original user so i'd say it's fixed
08:56<enouf>u_: righto - now, go to gnome devs and let them know :-P
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08:56<u_>enouf, like fill a bug?
08:57<u_>enouf, it would seem like i'm making fun of them :)
08:57<u_>but hey, i know it's true
08:58<u_>enouf, thanks
08:58<enouf>welcome u_
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08:59<u_>bye all
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09:15<tuxcrafter>how do i remove the openoffice mini icons so the default tango style is used?
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09:16<themill>judd versions
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09:16<judd>themill: -- etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 sid: 1:2.4.1-12 lenny: 1:2.4.1-17 sid: 1:2.4.1-17 squeeze: 1:2.4.1-17 experimental: 1:3.0.1-1 sid: 1:3.0.1-2
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09:21<Breadcultis>hello, I just installed lenny
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09:22<Breadcultis>can someone help me get the intel wireless firmware pls
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09:23<gsimmons>Breadcultis: You'll need to be more specific. Which Intel wireless device do you have?
09:23<Breadcultis> one that goes with this
09:23<Breadcultis>how do I let apt-get get at it?
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09:24<Breadcultis>something to do with enabling non-free packages ?
09:24<gsimmons>Breadcultis: That's right.
09:24<gsimmons>!tell Breadcultis -about non-free sources
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09:24<Breadcultis>awesome, thanks!
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09:34<insigne>ola td bem
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09:46<tuxcrafter>does somebody know a open source variant of
09:46<tuxcrafter>so i can use my huawei e220 with an other datacard
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09:53<k6orj>Hello, need help with my fstab and ntfs.
09:53<Tekno>go ahead
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09:54<k6orj>Tekno I can't get it to work
09:55<ubuntu>how to create a startup usb disk whith xubuntu live???????
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09:55<ubuntu>sorry 4 the bad english but i'm italian
09:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
09:56<k6orj>Tekno need help with my fstab and ntfs.
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09:56<lewder>Howdy i have a problem with configuring x to use my newly installed nvidia drivers. When i run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' i dont get asked about screen, drivers etc but only keyboard options. any ideas ?
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10:01<stew>ubuntu: please go to #ubuntu-it on for help with ubuntu/xubuntu in italian
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10:04<ets>Greetings people! I'm having trouble with my 4965 AG wireless
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10:05<ets>I have installed the firmware, modprobed it to be active
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10:06<ets>yet I get a result that states that I killed my wireless card(I have it in iwconfig)...anyone?
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10:07<ets>hey there loup :)
10:07<loup>what plugin do i need that firefox plays some videos in it?
10:07<ets>you need the non-free flash plug-ins
10:07<ets>to get that you need to add the "special" repositories-
10:07<ets>the non-free ones
10:08<themill>dpkg: tell ets about killswitch
10:08<loup>no, i mean mov. videos for example
10:08<themill>ets: I *think* that's what you mean by "I killed my wireless"!
10:08<loup>quicktime movies
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10:15<loup>no idea?
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10:17<ets>loup-to play those you have to install w32codecs
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10:19<loup>32..? i have a 64bit debian
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10:23<orochi>hi everyone :> i'm using firefox and the latest version of adobe's flash plugin...i've noticed that when i'm playing games that require a lot of mouse clicking, the cpu usage goes through the roof and the games become there any sort of setting i can change to fix that?
10:23<debianforlife>flash is a disgusting hack and unless you have a somewhat fast computer it will go slowly...
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10:24<orochi>debianforlife: i have a dual core 2.4GHz processor if that helps :>
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10:25<debianforlife>are you using firefox of iceweasel?
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10:25<orochi>debianforlife: firefox downloaded from the official site, it's the same thing in iceweasel however
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10:26<debianforlife>i'd start by disabling all my addons/other plugins to make sure nothing is conflicting
10:26<vvas>ah, looks like i'm not the only one having this problem
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10:27<orochi>debianforlife: and after you've done that? about:plugins only lists the flash plugin at the moment because i've removed everything else
10:27<vvas>just joined, but are you talking about something this?
10:27<orochi>incidentally the "disgusting hack" has never given me problems on any other platform :>
10:27<vvas>s/something/something like/
10:28<debianforlife>orochi, after you disable the other plugins/addons restart firefox and see if the slowness persists
10:28<debianforlife>I have never had much issue with flash, but all I really use it for is watching videos online
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10:28<vvas>hm, apparently not
10:29<vvas>ok then, here goes: i've just run a routine apt-get upgrade and it broke firefox in the way the screenshot shows
10:29<orochi>debianforlife: i've never had an issue with it either, until i started trying to play games with it :>
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10:29<vvas>any ideas what might be causing this?
10:29<orochi>same problem after restarting btw, and i've turned off compiz to see if that was causing the slowdown...still there
10:30<loup>is it possible to "ask" for gimp 2.6.x in lenny backports?
10:30<orochi>loup: you could try, but you'd probably be waiting a while for nothing :> it'd be faster to remove the version debian packages and build a package from source
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10:32<fmg>is there yet a way to suspend to disk with dom0/xen-hypervisor? hal/uswsusp work fine with "normal" kernel and lenny
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10:33<Elessar>do you know if there is a way to partition a drive with GPT instead of MBR, during the debian installation?
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10:34<debianforlife>Elessar, it is easiest to do it from OSX
10:34*Elessar has no osx :)
10:34<Elessar>neither a mac pc :)
10:35<Elessar>i may just have a solid state drive that would not like to be (c,h,s)-partitionned
10:35<debianforlife>why would you want a GPT partition table on a pc?
10:36<Elessar>because i think it is better to drop the old (c,h,s) compatible emulation, and use only LBA
10:36<debianforlife>GPT is a pain in the ass because it isn't supported by fdisk
10:36<Elessar>or, maybe, because i have more than 2TB
10:36<Elessar>but it is fully supported by parted, is not it?
10:36<debianforlife>yeah, i believe so
10:37*Elessar is currently doing some tests with a disk image on a file
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10:37<debianforlife>yeah, it is
10:37<Elessar>and with kvm and the debian installer
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10:38<debianforlife>since the debian install doesn't use parted you'll probably have to partition it with parted from a boot disk
10:38<Elessar>(apart: kvm/qemu's ability to directly load a linux image and an initrd really rocks, with debian's netboot installer)
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10:38<Elessar>well, the funny thing is that, it i define an (empty, whatever) GPT on my disk before installing, the debian installer does not complain, and does use it!
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10:39<debianforlife>well, fdisk sort of supports GPT
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10:39<Elessar>so i guess this is the best solution, to define the partition table with another system, and then only, use the debian installer and its partman to define partitions
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10:40<Elessar>fdisk sees the protective MBR, as I see it
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10:40<tzafrir_laptop>hmmm... my insists on jumping to the original desktop in which it was opened
10:40<Elessar>but on architectures like IA64, I suppose the Debian installer uses directly GPT…
10:41<Elessar>tzafrir_laptop: that looks like a bug i saw recently
10:41<tzafrir_laptop>hmmm... no. rather it keeps on switching the focus the that original desktop
10:41<Elessar>tzafrir_laptop: entry point here <> :)
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10:43<debianforlife>tzafrir_laptop: ooo does some annoying things, like opening windows in the middle of 2 screens when using Xinerama too... there is something seriously messed up with its window management
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10:45<debianforlife>Elessar, interesting point about IA64, I wish the installer would support GPT with x86, it would make it much easier installing on a macbook
10:45<Elessar>wait, on an already GTP-partitionned machine, what does the d-in do?
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10:45<Elessar>does it mess up the partition table?
10:46<debianforlife>d-in ? huh?
10:46<Elessar>debian installer
10:46<Elessar>i meand “d-i”
10:46<debianforlife>yeah, it upset the whole thing dearly
10:47<debianforlife>I ended up partitioning it from a macOSX boot disk
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10:47<Elessar>debianforlife: well, i shall try it
10:47<sergiu>anyone know, where is the synaptic package manager in debian?
10:47<debianforlife>Elessar, you can't hurt anything
10:47<Elessar>debianforlife: right now, i have disk image that has a gpt label, i shall see what the debian installe does with it
10:48<debianforlife>I haven't run the debian installer with GPT since etch, maybe it has gotten better
10:48<Elessar>but i think parted does a much better job than macos x's tool
10:48<Elessar>at least, it did, last time i tried it
10:48<debianforlife>yeah, it does, the macosx tool puts 128MB buffers of free space between partitions, for some unknown reason
10:48<Elessar>but right now, i am interested on gpt for pc
10:49<Elessar>debianforlife: and, last time i tried it, for some reason, it resized my swap to 5 GB without notifying me of it
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10:49<Elessar>for me, macos x's partitionner is just b0rken :)
10:50<debianforlife>which version of mac was this?
10:50<Elessar>no idea
10:50<darius12>does dnsmasq have a channel?
10:50<Elessar>that was my brother's computer, so i do not remember
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10:51<debianforlife>I still wouldn't let d-i do anything besides format partitions on GPT disks
10:51<Elessar>i guess the best thing to do is to debian-live a gnu parted on it
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10:56<Elessar>debianforlife: well, i do not know what etch would have done, but here, the debian installer kept the GPT without any problem
10:56<sergiu>how to install language support?
10:56<Elessar>debianforlife: what i had: a GPT with one big partition
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10:56<Elessar>debianforlife: what i did: resize this partition and its filesystem, then create a swap and a / partition, from the debian installer
10:56<sergiu>lenny is lame
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10:56<Elessar>debianforlife: what i have now: a perfect GPT with three partitions
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10:57<debianforlife>Elessar, cool, i'm glad it works with d-i now, thanks for updating me on that!
10:57<debianforlife>sergiu, lenny is lame... squeeze is where it is at!
10:57<debianforlife>unless you want a server or something...
10:58<sergiu>there is not synaptic manager, language support and others administrative tools
10:58<debianforlife>have you tried apt-get install synaptic ?
10:58<sergiu>how to install language support?
10:58<Elessar>sergiu: sure there is… how did you install your system?
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10:59<sergiu>Elessar, installed as romanian default language
10:59<sergiu><Elessar, it isn't . i have installed synaptic by myself after installation..
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11:00<Elessar>well, i do not know how it is for romanian, but when i install a standard debian lenny, choosing “french” at the beginning, i end with a perfectly translated system
11:00<Elessar>synaptic would not be part of the “desktop” task, then? i did not know that
11:00<sergiu>and how to install language support, anyone know:D
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11:01<sergiu><Elessar> there isn't also the Software sources tool.
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11:01<Jflesch>sergiu: apt-get install locales (or dpkg-reconfigure locales if already installed)
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11:01<Elessar>what is the “Software sources tool”?
11:01<Jflesch>you will also need specific language pack for applications like kde apps
11:01<Elessar>never heard of it…
11:02<debianforlife>it is easier to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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11:02<Elessar>oh, it is a kind of interface to manipulate sources.list entries, that is it?
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11:02<sergiu><Elessar> software that let you to chose the software repositoty, have you heard of it?
11:03<Elessar>sergiu: vim /etc/apt/sources.list, for me :)
11:03<moffeh>having trouble connecting my usb external hdd in debian, when plugged in gnome says invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume...
11:03<Elessar>i thought it was integrated in synaptcis
11:03<Elessar>moffeh: did it tell you something else, some detail?
11:03<debianforlife>moffeh, you need to add your self to the removable devices group, or whatever it is called. go to the grop admin tools in the system menu
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11:03<sergiu>i thought it was integrated in synaptcis: yes, it is in someway
11:04<Elessar>debianforlife, moffeh: plugdev, i guess
11:04<sergiu><Jflesch>, i want to change the system language
11:04<moffeh>Elessar: No it jusst refuses to mount it. the current filesystem on it is NTFS
11:05<Elessar>moffeh: content of /etc/fstab?
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11:05<debianforlife>there is some option in user-admin to let a certian user mount removable media.. i went through this on my laptop project... and IIRC it does moent NTFS as long as you have that option checked
11:06<sergiu>how to install language support
11:06<debianforlife>I set up 30 laptops for a highschool.... so they had to be nice and user friendly...
11:06<moffeh>Elessar: havent done anything to fstab, should i? i mean "normal" usb sticks mounts on the fly w/o problems
11:06<Elessar>moffeh: yes, but, for instance, if /etc/fstab says they are vfat, it has no chance to work with ntfs
11:07<Elessar>moffeh: but there should be no entry for usb keys in fstab, in standard installs…
11:07<debianforlife>sergiu, how did you install your system? you don't have synaptic or language support. this is default usually
11:08<moffeh>hmm got it to mount now, but normal users have no permission, guess ill play around with fstab for this. thanks Elessar
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11:08<sergiu>i have installed it from CD-1
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11:10<sergiu>i will try to reinstall it again.
11:10<Elessar>moffeh: do you see a line about usb keys in your fstab, finally? there should be none, normally
11:11<Elessar>sergiu: at the beginning, there is a language choice, and, at the end, a task selection dialog, where you will be able to choose “desktop”, that will install a standard gnome desktop
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11:12<debianforlife>alternately, you could just run tasksel, and get the same dialog without reinstalling
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11:16<sergiu>there is not the openoffice program
11:16<Jflesch>sergiu: to change the system languages, you just need to configure the locales accordingly
11:16<Jflesch>(and maybe also reboot, hmm :)
11:16<sergiu><Jflesch> how to do this
11:17<Jflesch>apt-get install locales, or, if already installed, dpkg-reconfigure locales
11:18<Jflesch>if I'm right, dpkg-reconfigure should ask you which locale must be the default one
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11:19<Breadcultis>hello again!
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11:21<Breadcultis>is NetworkManager supposed to work with TKIP?
11:21<debianforlife>I didn't realize network manager worked at all... wicd works much beter
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11:21<Breadcultis>I'll check that out
11:22<Tekno>howw do I get nm 0.7 to lenny
11:22<stew>Breadcultis: yes
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11:24<Elessar>Breadcultis: yes, it is. i used it with tkip :)
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11:26<orochi>debianforlife, oddly enough i just tried installing the .deb of opera and all of the issues with flash seemed to disappear :> not exactly an ideal solution but at least i can play browser games properly now
11:27<Breadcultis>nm can see my network, but it won't connect... any way I can find out what's going on?
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11:28<debianforlife>orochi, interesting... What version of firefox did you have? 2 or 3?
11:28<orochi>debianforlife: well in iceweasel's case i had the latest version that is offered in lenny, with firefox i had the latest 3.0.x version from the mozilla website
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11:29<Breadcultis>whenever it's possible, I find a flash exe running in wine is faster than running in firefox
11:29<orochi>Breadcultis: it seems as if a lot of interactive flash stuff in firefox causes cpu usage to go straight through the roof, across both cores on my cpu
11:30<orochi>in opera it just kind of merrily plays along like it's supposed to :>
11:31<Breadcultis>haven't tried opera in lunix
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11:32<debianforlife>I don't usually have much of a problem with flash in firefox, might be because I have a 3.0GHz core2 quad....
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11:32<Elessar>i think this is because flash uses a infinite even loop without any speed limit, or with a very high limit
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11:33<Elessar>and it is limited in its windows implementations
11:33<debianforlife>are you using the 64bit version? it has more issues than the 32bit version
11:35<Elessar>i do not know what flash version orochi uses, but i use none, if you are asking that to me :)
11:35<Elessar>or, better, i use swfdec
11:36*Elessar considers that flash websites are not worth being visited by me :)
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11:37<debianforlife>LOL, I use noscript to block flash, among many other thnigs. I only use flash when I want to waste time watching things on youtube...
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11:37<Breadcultis>isn't wicd in the debian repo?
11:38<debianforlife>it is only in sid
11:38<arno>Hi, I'm using unstable (64bit), and for a few days, websites using a background image render incorrectly. see example . Do anyone else has the same problem ?
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11:38<Breadcultis>sid? is that another named version, like lenny?
11:38<debianforlife>Breadcultis, if you want to use it in lenny or squeeze you have to add its repo
11:38<arno>here is an example of incorrect rendering: (this website has changed now)
11:39<boris_>oh, come on Breadcultis just get it from sid
11:39<Elessar>debianforlife: well, for that, swfdec has an advantage: in the “proprerties” dialog, it displays the files loaded by a flash script, and, among other, the FLV stream
11:39<boris_>it doesn't hurt one package from sid
11:40<Elessar>debianforlife: there is even a button to directly save the FLV stream into a permanent file
11:40<debianforlife>Elessar, really? COOL!
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11:40<Elessar>arno: wait, i had the exact same problem
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11:41<Elessar>arno: it is somewhere in the bts, but here is a workaround:
11:41<Elessar>arno: Section "Device"
11:41<Elessar>arno: Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
11:41<Elessar>arno: in xorg.conf, of course
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11:42<Elessar>arno: si c'est bien de ça qu'il s'agit, ça devrait régler le problème
11:43<Elessar>back to english :)
11:43<Elessar>debianforlife: totem also has a direct youtube search and view plugin
11:43<arno>Elessar: thanks, it fixed the problem :)
11:43<Elessar>debianforlife: and vlc 1.x can directly play youtube and dailymotion url
11:44<Elessar>debianforlife: these are my main tricks to resist in a flashized world :)
11:44<Elessar>arno: avec plaisir!
11:44<Breadcultis>before I get a package from sid, should I try to get the dependencies from the stable version?
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11:45<debianforlife>Breadcultis: are you talking about wicd?
11:45<arno>Elessar: do you known where in the bts (ie: on which package: iceweasel or Xorg) is the workaround documented ?
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11:46<Elessar>Breadcultis: i think aptitude will complain if it cannot do so
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11:47<Elessar>arno: xserver-xorg-video-intel, i think
11:48<arno>Elessar: thanks :)
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11:49<Breadcultis>yes, wicd
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11:49<Breadcultis>there was lag
11:49<debianforlife>i gave you a link, read it, i tells how to install it very clearly
11:50<Breadcultis>the sourceforge one?
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12:01<Breadcultis>it installed, and the nm-applet vanished before my very eyes
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12:04<Tekno>How do I compile rigsofrods
12:04<Tekno>tekno@eee900:~/rigsofrods/build$ ls
12:04<Tekno>configurator LayoutEditor rorserver_new updater
12:04<Tekno>dependencies main skeleton wsync
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12:06<debianforlife>Breadcultis, you can run wicd-client as a normal user
12:06<Tregard_KMH>Hi honey i'm home
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12:06<Tregard_KMH>Oops wrong channel. Sorry
12:06<pakita>qual seu pais
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12:07<debianforlife>Tregard_KMH, I was about to say WTF
12:07<pakita>meu nome e aliny
12:08<pakita>oi colega
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12:11<pwork>tcsetattr : Hi, I'm back to you. I finally solved my yesterday's problem (crash at boot after LV decryption) : when restoring data, '/tmp' had lost its rights, so I couldn't startx. I did a chmod 1xxx on /tmp, and all came back with no pb
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12:12<tcsetattr>that was it /tmp had bad permissions and the kernel panicked?!
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12:12<metalqga>dpkg: ssh
12:12<dpkg>[ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" ( Clients for other platforms include <putty><cygwin><niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your ssh server include <fail2ban> <denyhosts>. Also see <scp><sftp><ssh without password><sshx><ssh linedraw><debug sshd>.
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12:12<pwork>tcsetattr : I don't know if it's directly related, since I didn't get the Kernel Panic! after each reboot attempt (non deterministic)
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12:13<tcsetattr>pwork, after you left last time, someone else came up with a good suggestion: do a memtest86 on your system. it could be bad RAM causing all the nondeterministic failures.
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12:13<tcsetattr>if the trouble comes back, think of that
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12:14<pwork>tcsetattr : Good tip yeah :) I will launch a live rescue CD tonight
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12:14<InkBottle>Hi, what is the kde-debian channel?
12:14<pwork>tcsetattr : Thanks for help so, and see you here
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12:15<InkBottle>I'm trying to install kde4-minimal from unstable and I can't resolve dependancies
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12:16<loup>InkBottle: it will be put in sid the next days i guess
12:16<loup>InkBottle: and you need the sid repos activated
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12:17<InkBottle>loup: I already upgraded to sid
12:17<InkBottle>I wanted to install it from experimental
12:18<InkBottle>but aptitude doesn't want to do it
12:18<InkBottle>dependencies problems
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12:18<loup>i got also dependencies problems
12:19<loup>but i switched to stable :D
12:20<chahibi>What package do I need to install to be able to fetch C function manuals with man?
12:20<chahibi>man fflush for example doesn't work
12:20<chahibi>while man printf does
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12:21<tcsetattr>without manpages-dev, you're getting the printf(1) command, not the printf(3) library function
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12:22<tcsetattr>after you install manpages-dev, you'll have to say "man 3 printf" to get the other one.
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12:29<Breadcultis>wicd isn't working either
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12:30<chahibi>TR103, wach
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12:30<debianforlife>Breadcultis, i just got back right as you said "wicd isn't working either". I lost my internet connection for a while
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12:31<chahibi>TR103, How are you
12:31<Breadcultis>that's when I just got back too
12:31<Breadcultis>wicd works fine with wired ethernet connection
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12:32<debianforlife>does the wicd GUI even show your wireless card?
12:33<Breadcultis>where would that be?
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12:34<debianforlife>if you hit "refresh" the available wireless networks should come up
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12:35<debianforlife>do you have wireless drivers installed at all?
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12:35<k1lumin4t1>has anybody installed KDE 4.2 on Debian through sid/experimental
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12:35<Breadcultis>it shows up a few wireless networks
12:35<Breadcultis>so it's using the card
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12:36<debianforlife>and you cant connect?
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12:37<debianforlife>did you remove the lines in /etc/network/interfaces about wlan0 (or whatever your wireless is called)L
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12:38<Breadcultis>actually there was nothing about my wireless card in there to begin with
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12:39<debianforlife>just "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" ?
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12:39<Breadcultis>yes, and "allow-hotplug eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
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12:40<debianforlife>do you have network manager installed?
12:40<Breadcultis>I did
12:40<Breadcultis>not sure now
12:41<debianforlife>dpkg -l |grep network-manager
12:41<dpkg>ii |grep network-manager 1.1-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
12:41<Breadcultis>I had this network card working with this network before, using wpa_supplicant
12:42<debianforlife>ohhhh... you are using encryption then
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12:46<debianforlife>click the little arrow by the network name, click advanced settings, then check "use encryption"
12:46<Breadcultis>I did that
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12:47<Breadcultis>not sure if I should choose preshared key or passphrase (neither work yet anyway)
12:47<debianforlife>Breadcultis, and that doesn't work? strange, worked for me right out of the box
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12:48<debianforlife>do you have the CA cert?
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12:48<debianforlife>without spaces in the filepath, otherwise it will not work
12:48<Breadcultis>CA who? me?
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12:49<debianforlife>yeah, one of the things it wants when you use tkip
12:49<Breadcultis>if it doesn't happen automatically, I don't have it
12:49<Breadcultis>just a 63 character password/phrase/key
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12:51<loup>i wanted to ask what are there debian 4rX updates
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12:52<tcsetattr>struggling to parse "what are there debian 4rX updates"
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12:52<tcsetattr>does that mean "what are they" or "where are they" or...
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12:54<loup>sorry i meant what are these :)
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12:55<tcsetattr>well 4.0 was released a while ago (2 or 3 years maybe), and then as security bugs are discovered, security fixes get released individually
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12:56<tcsetattr>after a while, there are a lot of known security bugs in the 4.0 release CDs, and if you're doing a new install you have a lot of security updates to apply right away. so 4.0r1 is released with all the fixes so far included on the installation disks.
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12:56<tcsetattr>also the rX releases usually include a few small updates that are not security-related
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12:57<Maulkin>22 months ago.
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12:57<tcsetattr>so the latest rX is basically equivalent to the initial release with all the updates applied to it. when it gets far enough behind, then they release rX+1
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12:58<tcsetattr>you can install 4.0r0 on one machine and 4.0r7 on another, and if you apt-get update&&apt-get upgrade them both, they'll end up being exactly the same (but the r0 machine will take longer to get there because it'll have to download more updates)
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12:59<loup>btw, on stable should i use upgrade or dist-upgrade?
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13:00<Tekno>why not
13:00<loup>(i choosed apt-get over aptitude because i saw kpackage uses apt-get, i hope it was a good choice)
13:00<dr|z3d>aptitude tends to be more verbose.
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13:01<tcsetattr>you don't need to use dist-upgrade unless upgrade says that something is being held back. that will rarely happen if you're staying with stable, until the next stable release comes out and you upgrade to that.
13:01<dr|z3d>For example, apt-get update won't tell you how many available updates you have, aptitude upate will.
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13:02<loup>tcsetattr: ok
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13:02<dr|z3d>apt-get won't ask you to manually resolve dependencies with multiple solutions. aptitude will. Little differences like that, loup
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13:02<loup>dr|z3d: i thought it might be dangerous to mix apt-get(from kpackage) and aptitude
13:03<Tarcas>aptitude also tracks why a particular package is installed. for instance, if you aptitude install X which depends on X-lib, when you aptitude remove X, it will take out X-lib too. apt-get will not.
13:03<tcsetattr>I mix them a lot (mostly apt-get, aptitude occasionally) and haven't seen any problems
13:03<dr|z3d>loup: No danger whatsoever. They're interchangeable.
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13:04<loup>Tarcas: but apt-get autoremove will remove them right?
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13:04<Tarcas>Sorry, not familiar with that.
13:04<dr|z3d>Sure, apt-get autoremove will work fine.
13:04<Guest13>is adobe flash in the repos or do i have to download it manually?
13:04<loup>ok thanks
13:04<dr|z3d>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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13:05<Guest13>dr|z3d, thanks
13:05<dr|z3d>Guest13: You'll need to enable the correct repository.
13:05<Guest13>dr|z3d, nonfree?
13:05<stew>Guest13: flashplugin-nonfree is in debian's contrib repositories
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13:06<dr|z3d>Guest13: nonfree = not open sourced. ie adobe's flash plugin, in this instance.
13:07<blink>I have an issue after upgrading from etch to lenny where my load avg is around 45, and pdflush and kjournald are stuck at 99% IO, and iostat shows 30% iowait
13:07<blink>should I report this as a bug or try to fix it here?
13:07<k1lumin4t1>is it possible to reinstall a Debian system which has / and /home under a LVM volume wtihout having to reformat everything, just / ?
13:07<Guest13>do i put it in the third party or is it in thd debian software tab?
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13:08<dpkg>Do you mean DFSG?
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13:09<dpkg>somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at, or
13:09<Guest13>dr|z3d, so where do i get the debian contrib repos?
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13:10<tcsetattr>blink, it's hard to say where the bug report should go without a little more investigation. for example which process is using the most CPU? what block device is getting the most IO traffic, and what kind of filesystem is on that device?
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13:12<blink>tcsetattr: cpu usage is 0 to 1%, the block device is a hardware RAID using a Perc6, the filesystem is XFS
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13:13<blink>if there's anything I can do to narrow down the issue, I'm willing to do it
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13:14<Guest13>so how do i add the contrib repo?
13:14<tcsetattr>that sounds like enough information for a good bug report :)
13:14<dr|z3d>Guest13: You have all the info you need to hit up google with :)
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13:15<tcsetattr>blink, when the kernel people (XFS and hw raid driver maintainers) see your bug report they'll have more questions but that's a good start
13:15<Guest13>dr|z3d, ok i see the data thanks
13:15<blink>who do i differentiate if it is a kernel bug or xfs bug (or even something else?) I have the ouput from dmesg after `echo t > /proc/sysrq-trigger`, I guess I can include that too
13:15<dirk_>hi. I'm trying to write a very simple bash-script that terminates one program when a symbolic number is reached. I'm very new to bash, what I actually want to do is something like this: "when [ "$VAR" = "14" ]; do killall PROGRAM; done" -- the problem is of course that "WHEN"-loop doesn't exist....
13:15<blink>thanks tc, I'll log a bug report :)
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13:17<tcsetattr>dirk_, how is your "when" different from an "if"?
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13:17<dirk_>tcsetattr, if doesn't loop?
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13:17<tcsetattr>ok, then, if that's a loop, how is $VAR going to get updated? if it's not 14 at the start of the loop it'll never be 14 unless you do something inside the loop that changes it
13:17<buffoon_work>dirk_, use "while [ "$VAR" != "14" ]
13:18<dirk_>tcsetattr, outside the script. buffoon_work -- thanks! thanks!
13:18<tcsetattr>outside the script? that's not possible you know.
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13:19<dirk_>tcsetattr, it is in this case -- $var is "$(echo -n "$(vnstat|grep today|cut -d\| -f3 |cut -d. -f1|sed 's/^[ \t]*//')")"
13:19<buffoon_work>tcsetattr, well, if that code is just dummy code and it is a command in the test then it'll work
13:19<tcsetattr>oh whell then that makes sense.
13:19<tcsetattr>while [ "$(...)" != 14 ]; do sleep 1; done
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13:19<tcsetattr>better put a sleep in otherwise you'll be running that command continuously, chewing CPU until the value changes.
13:20<tcsetattr>you eat less CPU if you check for the change once per second and then end the loop when you get the hit. or once-per-minute, or whatever interval makes sense for you
13:20<dirk_>tcsetattr, aight. thanks alot. I need to brush up my old - somewhere existing - bash-knowledge.
13:22<dirk_>but hrm.. "while [ "$VAR" != "14" ] -- is alright -- but I need to actuallt terminate a program with 'KILLALL' when the number is reached --
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13:23<tcsetattr>yeah. that goes after the loop. The loop waits for the 14 to occur, then ends. after the "done" you put whatever you want to happen after the 14 is reached.
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13:23<dirk_>oh! of course! sweet!
13:24<tcsetattr>if you want to go back and start looking for 14 again after the killall and run killall again the next time it occurs, you put another loop around the whole thing
13:24<tcsetattr>if the killall just needs to happen once, then it doesn't belong inside any loop
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13:29<dirk_>tcsetattr, I was trying to make everything work inside the bash script -- I didn't see the obvious solution in just putting one extra line after the while loop! =)
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13:30<eusebia45>hola a todos
13:30<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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13:30<carmela>hola eusebia
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13:31<eusebia45>que t6al carmela estas bien
13:31<carmela>ola eusebia
13:31<jpinx>eusebia45: de donde estas?
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13:32<jpinx>no creeo que hay tanto espanolas aca
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13:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:32<jpinx>Tarcas: it's all off-topic :p
13:32<sebas>estoy en el curso de ordenadores
13:32<eusebia45>seba entonces se te ha partido la dentadura?
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13:33<caleb>can you help me with vmware-player??
13:33<carmela>ola jose maria cuaresma
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13:34<Tarcas>jpinx: I can't tell. Send 'em to offtopic then. :-/
13:34<robert>chanell pl ?
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13:34<mainal>hola eusebia
13:34<bremner_>Would I be an idiot to make zsh-beta my login shell? Assuming I like zsh, of course.
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13:35<robert>where is polish channel
13:35<dpkg>somebody said po was Piss Off or Post Office
13:35<jpinx>carmela y todos - tienes que ir a
13:35<caleb>alguien me puede ayudar con vmwareplayer??
13:35<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
13:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:36<carmela> ola sebatian
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13:36<eusebia45>hola mainal como estas
13:36<mainal>charanga siempre estas averiado
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13:37<mainal>cuaresma caranga siempre esta averiado
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13:37*fxiny fires up the wow signal power array detector
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13:37<themill>!ops carmela sebas mainal and eusebia45 are all nicks from the same ip
13:37<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: carmela sebas mainal and eusebia45 are all nicks from the same ip
13:38<carmela>ola manolo como estaloli
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13:38<fxiny>themill: yeahhh my machine never fails ;)
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13:38<k1lumin4t1>where in the debian website is the section to download squeeze's netinst images?
13:38<themill>thanks, stew
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13:39<dondelelcaro>k1lumin4t1: they may not exist yet, but is where they would be
13:39<dondelelcaro>k1lumin4t1: just use the lenny netinst, and upgrade to testing
13:40<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, ok
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13:40<dmoerner>win 4
13:40<aperez>can you help me with vmware-player??
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13:42<Breadcultis>good news!
13:42<user_>now i see they puled flash plugin from the repos
13:42<fxiny>so they fix lynx dump in lenny , is not eating anymore the blank space on the left , but now i have to align with sed 's/^[ \t]*//' ! bugs sometimes are handy :P
13:42<Breadcultis>I turned my security off and on again, and now the connection works
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13:43<themill>dpkg: tell user_ about adobe flash
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13:43<chealer>aperez: vmware is not supported here
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13:44<Breadcultis>dpkg: tell Breadcult about adobe flash
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13:44<aperez>It's because I have a problem on lenny when I run serial port!!!
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13:45<aperez>on linux it's working but on vmware is not working
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13:51<dethstar>I'm having problems with an Intel HDA sound card.. can't seem to get get any sound out of it.
13:52<dethstar>looks like it's using the Realtek ALC888 codec..
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13:52<dethstar>I just got the machine. It's a little dell studio 540 slim.
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13:53<dethstar>everything else have been working just fine.. just not the sound
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13:57<user_>im going back to disros that make it easier to add stuff
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13:57<cahoot>dethstar: what if you try speaker-test -t wav -c2?
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13:58<dethstar>cahoot, got an i/o error
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13:59<dethstar>cahoot, said it was unable to create stream
13:59<cahoot>dethstar: cat /proc/asound/cards - anything returned?
14:00<dethstar>cahoot, yeah. Intel HDA
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14:01<cahoot>dethstar: and fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* ?
14:01<dethstar>/dev/snd/controlC0: jeremy 6604 F.... mixer_applet2
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14:03<gauravsah>hi everyone
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14:04<dureyes>anyone here gets this error message with Mplayer "MVs not available" it plays the movie ok........
14:04<cahoot>dethstar: alc888 should be supported by the alsaversion in lenny
14:04<dethstar>cahoot, I wonder why I gets no sound then..
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14:06<cahoot>dethstar: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
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14:06<dethstar>cahoot, Realtek ALC888
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14:07<cahoot>dethstar: try alsa force-reload and then speaker-test again
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14:08<dethstar>cahoot, I get Unable to set hw params for playback: Input/output error; adn then Setting of hwparams failed: Input/output error
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14:17<cahoot>dethstar: this might possibly apply:
14:18<cahoot>i e try modprobe snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1
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14:19<cahoot>(well first modprobe -r snd-hda-intel)
14:19<dethstar>cahoot, I thought it might be the same as well until I saw that others with the slim version of the studio were still having those problems..
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14:20<cahoot>dethstar: already tried 6stack-dell as option?
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14:23<dethstar>cahoot, yeah I was about to see about that alsa upgrade script on that last post
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14:27<steven>hi, any users here using awesome on debian who have an rc.lua to share ? :)
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14:28<charles>alguien de argentina?
14:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:28<debsan>podes entrar a debian-es o debian-ar
14:28<charles>aah ok
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14:41<Breadcultis>I lied, wicd didn't work, the cable was still just plugged in
14:41<Breadcultis>but! I went back to nm (because it looks prettier) and played around with the options, set them up the long way, and it worked!
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14:43<Breadcultis>aw crap, it didn't actually work
14:43<Breadcultis>my wireless security is just off
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14:48<dethstar>cahoot, got it werking ;)
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14:48<dethstar>cahoot, upgraded alsa
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14:48<dethstar>cahoot, I think
14:49<dethstar>cahoot, added "options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=1" to the end of my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
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14:50<dethstar>cahoot, reloaded alsa... and everything started working
14:50<dethstar>cahoot, thanks
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14:57<Alba>evening... wondering if there's any possibility of pluging my laptop to the TV to watch movies... i used to be able to do it with windows... but with debian i am not sure
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14:58<dr|z3d>Alba: Try VLC. That will allow you to stream movies over your lan.
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14:59<Alba>hmm the tv and the laptop are not in a network dr|z3d i used to be able to plug the lappy to the tv and watch movies on the big monitor... i havent tried since i have debian but i was wondering if it's like that
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15:00<dr|z3d>Should be possible, Alba. The first stage is to check your tv out on the laptop is working. If you can get that to work, then it should be fine.
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15:01<Alba>ah ok dr|z3d so just like another monitor, right?
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15:03<cahoot>connect the tv and see if it turns up on xrandr -q?
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15:05<debianforlife>you can also use grandr for a nice GUI interface for xrandr
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15:08<dr|z3d>Alba: Just like another monitor, sure.
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15:11<Breadcultis>so I changed my security to WEP, still using networkmanager, and I can get onto the network just fine
15:11<Breadcultis>for half a second :'(
15:11<c36pop>hi i have installed a debian lenny server but i dont know how to configure the updates automatically
15:11<c36pop>if i force them is it a good idea ?
15:12<Alba>i've never been able to make it work Breadcultis so i just crypted the network by mac adress
15:12<Alba>works as fine
15:12<judge>hello all ... im new to debian... so here is a noob quistion ... i just installed nvidia but how do i activated it?
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15:12<mase>c36pop no, because the update could need to ask you some questions
15:12<c36pop>Breadcultis: wpa problems ?
15:12<c36pop>mase: yes
15:12<Breadcultis>yep, WPA problems, now WEP problems
15:12<debianforlife>judge: use nvidia-xconfig
15:12<Alba>i think i just got too fed up of it, so just filtered by MAC
15:13<c36pop>Breadcultis : what problem ?
15:13<c36pop>Breadcultis: i managed to configure it on my laptop si maybe i can help
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15:13<Breadcultis>first, my system just would not connect to a TKIP secured network
15:13<c36pop>Beradcultis : are you using wpa-supplicant ?
15:13<Breadcultis>I tried both nm and wicd
15:13<Breadcultis>I have that installed
15:13<Breadcultis>I tried
15:14<Breadcultis>I used to have it working with Arch
15:14<c36pop>ok ; wait a sec ill give you my command line that resolve alls imilars problem on differetn computers
15:14<debianforlife>Breadcultis, since you are having more issues than most with wireles, what card and drivrers are you using?
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15:14<judge>debianforlife, okei i see ermmm i proberly havent installed it corect im getting a error when i run that command ...
15:14<racecar56>why does the flash player that comes with iceweasel make youtube videos invisible
15:15<c36pop>Breadcultis : first create a file called /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
15:15<stew>racecar56: which flashplayer are you using?
15:15<debianforlife>judge, how did you install nvidia
15:15<chealer>judge: activate what?
15:15<judge>debianforlife, synaptic
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15:15<Breadcultis>intel something... Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG
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15:16<racecar56>i'm using the one that come with debian
15:16<c36pop>ho this one works fine with wpa
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15:16<c36pop>can you create the file we will try
15:16<Breadcultis>I installed the flash player from adobe's site and now it just makes my firefox crash :)
15:16<chealer>c36pop: what do you mean by forcing them?
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15:17<Breadcultis>I have made a wpa_supplicant file
15:17<judge>debianforlife, i have installed the nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-686
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15:17<c36pop>c36pop: i mean sometimes it asked some question ; i have mainly a private subversion server on it ; i dont want a n update to crash everything
15:17<c36pop>so put those two line in it
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15:17<racecar56>apparently it looks like i have swfdec 0.6
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15:18<c36pop>sorry abd this one also
15:18<c36pop>without those 3 lines i never managed to get it working
15:18<debianforlife>judge, then the nvidia driver should be installed.. did you run nvidia-xconfig as root?
15:18<Breadcultis>I'll try this, thanks
15:18<judge>debianforlife, yes ...
15:19<c36pop>then you have to make your network {} config section
15:19<c36pop>and run the following command as root
15:19<Breadcultis>I don't know what user group I am :x
15:19<c36pop>wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -Dwext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
15:19<c36pop>it should work
15:19<c36pop>type id
15:20<judge>debianforlife, the error is a VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver line.
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15:20<Breadcultis>id tells me a bunch of things
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15:21<racecar56>if i install adobe flash player from the .tar.gz will it crash my firefox too?
15:21<Breadcultis>groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom) etc
15:21<Breadcultis>I'd predict yes
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15:21<Breadcultis>I'll reinstall with the one in the repo
15:21<c36pop>Breadcultis here youll find a good conf file that you can adapt
15:21<Breadcultis>thanks c36pop
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15:22<debianforlife>judge, oh, so what you need to do is edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and in the device section add driver "nvidia"
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15:23<c36pop>Breadcultis : it is bettr to create the network {} section but one wpa_supplicant is started correctly , you can do network scanning and value changing with wpa_gui
15:23<chealer>racecar56: installing Adobe Flash Player directly from Adobe is not supported here.
15:24<judge>debianforlife, in device i have : driver = nvidia, vendorname = nvidia corp, identifier = device0
15:24<racecar56>yea but i tried it and it works :>
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15:25<judge>debianforlife, so it should be okie ? i can just restart x and nvidia should be up and running
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15:25<c36pop>could anybody answer to this question : i have install a debian server and by default netstat shown me all the listening connection as tcp6 ; so i removed the ipv6 module ; on my debian / testing i never removed anything and ipv6 is launched but netstat shos correctly everything as tcpV4
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15:25<debianforlife>judge, you dont want equal signs
15:25<judge>debianforlife, no i know
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15:26<meshuggah>hi there
15:26<debianforlife>judge, why dont you post your xorg.conf file to pastebin and i'll check it over
15:26<Breadcultis>E: Couldn't find package wpa_gui
15:26<judge>debianforlife, just to link em here ... they are in " " and space
15:27<Breadcultis>I used to just use the wpa_supplicant... I'll try that again
15:27<c36pop>look in your synaptic
15:27<meshuggah>i want to install the geforce driver i downloaded on the nvidia website, but i need to close X how can I do it?
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15:27<racecar56>anyway why dosen't swfdec work? back in my ubuntu days it did
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15:28<debianforlife>judge, yeah, that looks good
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15:28<c36pop>Breadcultis : apt-get install wpagui
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15:29<c36pop>meshuggah: you mean starting without X ?
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15:29<chealer>meshuggah: which display manager do you use?
15:29<judge>so how do i enable compiz?
15:30<meshuggah>c36pop : starting without X :) is /etc/init.d/gdm stop works?
15:30<debianforlife>judge, I don't know about compiz.. I'm not into that stuff, but you can google it, or someone else might know
15:30<meshuggah>c36pop, starting without or closeing it now, i only need to do it once, but starting without it would be cool
15:30<c36pop>meshuggah: are you using gnome ?
15:30<chealer>racecar56: depends on what you mean by working. swfdec is still in development
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15:31<c36pop>meshuggah : locate the starting scrit in /etc/rc2.d/ it should be S20gdm
15:31<c36pop>and type mv /etc/rc2.D/S20gdm /etc/rc2.d/K20gdm
15:31<c36pop>then one started
15:31<chealer>c36pop: meshuggah left
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15:33<meshuggah>c36pop, sorry
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15:33<c36pop>meshuggah : locate the starting scrit in /etc/rc2.d/ it should be S20gd
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15:33<c36pop>and type mv /etc/rc2.D/S20gdm /etc/rc2.d/K20gdm
15:34<meshuggah>c36pop, anyway it didnt worked my gcc version isnt the same, my kerneyl isnt the same, and the drivers doesnt want to install
15:34<c36pop>then once started if you want X type K20gdm start
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15:34<c36pop>ho strange i update it last week without problem
15:34<meshuggah>c36pop, ok i will try to find that, i wuold like to boot without X, It will remind me of the msdos 3.0 days
15:35<meshuggah>c36pop, thank
15:35<Breadcultist>rebooted, now my wep seems to be connecting ok
15:35<c36pop>wep or wpa ?
15:35<Breadcultist>the crappy one
15:35<c36pop>i thought you wanted wpa
15:35<Breadcultist>indeed I did
15:35<Breadcultist>but I'll take what I can get
15:35<c36pop>did you created tje wpa conf file ?
15:35<chealer>c36pop: he's asking how X can be closed once, not to stop launching it on startup
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15:35<Breadcultist>I did
15:36<meshuggah>c36pop, what is the rc1.d, rc3.d, rc4.d,...?
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15:36<chealer>meshuggah: if gdm doesn't offer you to close X, you can use # invoke-rc.d gdm stop
15:36<c36pop>and did you launched wpa_supplicant with the above command ?
15:36<meshuggah>chealer : i tried /etc/init.d/gdm stop worked, but drivers didnt
15:37<Breadcultist>something like that
15:37<Breadcultist>gonna try wpa gui now
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15:37<c36pop>yes simply type wpa_gui when wpa_supplicant is correctely started
15:37<c36pop>then scan ...
15:37<meshuggah>so, anybody knows how to install the geforce4 mx drivers in debian lenny
15:37<Breadcultist>aw, you have to have it already started :[
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15:38<c36pop>wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -Dwext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
15:38<c36pop>this is the command i m using
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15:38<c36pop>the Dwext option means something like generic and works for almost all card
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15:38<c36pop>adapt wlan0 to your config
15:38<Breadcultist>ok I'll do that
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15:40<chealer>meshuggah: yes
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15:40<meshuggah>chealer, how?
15:40<chealer>meshuggah: did you follow the guide?
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15:42<c36pop>Breadcultis: i have to go good luck
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15:42<meshuggah>chealer, i followed what people said me, but it was like 1 week ago, i dont remember exactly what i did, but it didnt worked, the screen is too large for my display, gl doesnt work, and games run bad
15:42<chealer>!tell meshuggah about ngd
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15:42<chealer>meshuggah: follow the guide
15:42<meshuggah>chealer, thank you
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15:46<meshuggah>chealer, i dodnt understand
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15:48<Breadcultist>wpa_gui just reads: endless cycle of 4wayhandshake, associating, disconnected, trying to associate, disconnected :D
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15:50<meshuggah>i want to install a graphic driver, i do not want to be asm-coding a 3d-fps game...
15:50<Breadcultist>does the debian installer automatically install a video card driver?
15:51<serge>how this happen, that debian formated my ntfs partition ...
15:51<meshuggah>Breadcultist, not for me..
15:51<Breadcultist>either way, didn't set up my xorg
15:51<meshuggah>Breadcultist, and i need to type 500 lines of code to make it works, and my english is poor...
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15:52<Breadcultist>it was a bit easier than that in arch!
15:52<disv>depending on if you have nvidia or ati, installing the driver isn't that hard
15:52<serge>why this lame epiphany web browser do not show with the download speed.
15:52<meshuggah>disv, ?? i am trying to read the damn guide...yes it is hard
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15:53<meshuggah>serge, download iceweasel, it is firefox rebranded
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15:53<disv>meshuggah do you have nvidia?
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15:53<meshuggah>disv, yes, geforce4
15:54<meshuggah>disv, why the fuck i need to install kernel module
15:54<disv>use module assistant
15:54<meshuggah>disv, and what is that
15:54<chealer>Breadcultist: it depends on the user's choices.
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15:54<disv>and look for "m-a"
15:55<chealer>meshuggah: please watch your language
15:55<disv>module assistant is a tool that will do most of the work
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15:55<simonrvn>meshuggah: when you understand the why, and i don't think you'll even be asking that afterwards....
15:55<Breadcultist>I forgot what I chose!
15:55<meshuggah>chealer, i will try, sorry
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15:55<meshuggah>m-a not found
15:56<chealer>serge: what do you mean by formatting your ntfs partition?
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15:56<disv>apt-get install module-assistant
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15:56<serge><chealer>, i have an ntfs partition... when i have mounted it with ntfs-eg, it was empty...
15:56<disv>on the link i gave you there is a section "Use module-assistant"
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15:56<Breadcultist>thanks, disv !
15:57<meshuggah>disv, and yes i am looking the dvidiagraphicsdrivers page, and yes i dont understand a line of it
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15:58<chealer>serge: which partitioning method did you use?
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15:58<meshuggah>disv, i need also nvidia-kernel-common
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15:59<serge>chealer, from terminal..
15:59<disv>meshuggah: in console type as root: "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common"
15:59<meshuggah>disv, ok done
15:59<chealer>serge: oh. and what did you do?
16:00<meshuggah>disv, after m-a autoinstall something?
16:00<serge>chealer, what?
16:00<Breadcultist>looking for ati card
16:00<meshuggah>?m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source i write it like that>?
16:00<disv>meshuggah: m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-source
16:00<simonrvn>m-a a-i foo
16:00<chealer>serge: when did Debian format your ntfs partition?
16:00<serge>i have tried to mount it with ntfs-3g tool, but the partition is empty .gg
16:00<meshuggah>what about the ${version} thing
16:00<disv>never mind that
16:00<meshuggah>ok thank
16:01<Breadcultist>the first google result for debian ati crashes my iceweasel ;D
16:01<chealer>disv: that won't help
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16:01<serge><chealer> when? i did not indicate to format it at installation setup..
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16:01<serge>but can debian format ntfs partitions.. ?
16:01<chealer>serge: yes, when did Debian format your ntfs partition?
16:01<disv>debian can erase partitions yes
16:02<meshuggah>disv, it is really not like how people said me 1 week ago, i think maybe it will works now
16:02<serge>chealer, i don't know, i do not have an explication why partition is empty.. how this happen gg
16:02<meshuggah>disv, (it seems more complicated) :)
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16:03<chealer>serge: it can, yes
16:03<disv>this method really isn't that complicated, you just have to go through it once
16:03<serge>chealer but by default , debian is not configured to format ntfs partition i think..
16:03<chealer>serge: without knowing when it was formatted, that's probably impossible to tell
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16:04<serge>i am not newbie at installation, i have installed 100 hunders of distros
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16:05<disv>serge indeed debian doesn't format drivers, maybe unless you chose guided partitioning, but even then you'll have to confirm writing the changes to disk
16:05<chealer>meshuggah: m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-source; won't help you
16:05<meshuggah>chealer, ........
16:06<meshuggah>chealer, so how do i ...
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16:06<serge><disv>, i just leaved that "ntfs" parititon as it, did not touched it . gg...
16:06<meshuggah>I only wan to install a graphic driver....
16:07<disv>then indeed it shouldn't be touched by the debian installer
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16:08<serge>i will try to make an experiment .. to write something on that partition an perform yet another installation
16:08<disv>chealer what am i missing, if he just wants to install nvidia drivers, then what am i missing?
16:08<chealer>meshuggah: you'd better follow the guide
16:08<meshuggah>chealer, yes but i dont understand much of it, i am french
16:09<chealer>disv: he also wants them to work. installing a random version won't help
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16:09<meshuggah>ether:/etc# uname -r
16:09<meshuggah>so this is the version i replace with eht $thing
16:09<chealer>meshuggah: well, ask for help from the French channel if there's something you don't understand
16:10<meshuggah>apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r) what is the {version} i am sure i dont type it exactly likwe that
16:10<disv>euhm, i've always installed my nvidia drivers like that.. got a gf9800 myself
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16:10<chealer>meshuggah: no, that's your Linux image. the version is the one of the nvidia drivers
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16:11<s4br3>Hi, when I try to update Debian Sid/Experimental I get an error on "lp-solve". Is this a known issue? I got it an hour ago for the first time.
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16:11<chealer>meshuggah: you type it like that. you defined $VERSION above.
16:12<meshuggah>chealer, how do i know it
16:12<chealer>meshuggah: the section about versions explains that
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16:12<meshuggah>chealer, how many pages do i need to read to install a graphic driver? :)
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16:13<Breadcultist>how do I get the free ati driver?
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16:13<Breadcultist>that worked for me last time... on my ati mobility radeon x300 :x
16:14<meshuggah>chealer, dont get me wrong, i love to read, but that is absurdly hard
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16:15<chealer>meshuggah: it depends on the driver. you can install the vast majority of drivers trivially. non-free drivers are harder. the nvidia driver may require 6 pages on average.
16:16<disv>am i missing some complicated stuff about installing an nvidia driver?
16:16<meshuggah>chealer, sorry i will try to be more patient and calm
16:16<racerx>can someone help me with vpn using pptp? I created a connection with my username and password but the vpn is forwarding my computername as the username instead.
16:16<meshuggah>chealer, but i see nowhere in the help-webpage something about Version page
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16:17<disv>if you do apt-cache search nvidia you'll see all the possibilities
16:17<Breadcultist>glxgears seems to work... does that mean anything at all?
16:17<Breadcultist>in terms of graphics drivers being present or absent?
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16:18<valdyn>Breadcultist: "glxinfo | grep -i direct" does
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16:19<Breadcultist>direct rendering: Yes
16:19<Breadcultist>that sounds positive
16:19<valdyn>Breadcultist: glxgears will work if you have properly install hw accelerated opengl installed or if you have software ogl installed, cant have both installed at a time
16:19<Breadcultist>so I'm still at square one
16:20<chealer>disv: it's non-free, it uses an out of tree LKM, and there are several versions. so it can be quite complicated, particularly if you don't understand English easily
16:20<Breadcultist>I haven't the foggiest idea what's on my system
16:20<valdyn>Breadcultist: why? you have hardware accelerated opengl
16:21<meshuggah>tabarnak de calice
16:21<Breadcultist>would that be some sort of generic driver or a specific ati one?
16:21<valdyn>Breadcultist: specific ati one
16:22<chealer>meshuggah: please watch your language
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16:22<Breadcultist>so it's safe to put that info in my xorg
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16:22<valdyn>Breadcultist: glxinfo | grep -i renderer
16:22<Breadcultist>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL
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16:22<meshuggah>chealer, i tried the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but it only asked me things about the keyboard..
16:22<Breadcultist>that sounds kinda genetic... :/
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16:23<valdyn>Breadcultist: DRI R300 sounds generic?
16:23<Breadcultist>idunno :(
16:23<chealer>meshuggah: why are you trying the debconf way?
16:23<valdyn>Breadcultist: what the fuck does it matter anyway?
16:23<Breadcultist>not sure
16:23<Breadcultist>but in my xorg file
16:24<Breadcultist>it doesn't have anything ATI
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16:24<valdyn>Breadcultist: oh the magic auf hardware autodetection
16:24<meshuggah>chealer, cause with the manual way, i do not find lines about anything other than keyboard
16:24<chealer>!tell Breadcultist about enter
16:24<valdyn>Breadcultist: its trivial, it works fine, leave it as it is
16:24<Breadcultist>thanks for the notice
16:24<meshuggah>i need nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx
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16:25<chealer>meshuggah: hum. could you provide your xorg.conf?
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16:25<Breadcultist>I'll leave it as it is then, now... onto adobe flash
16:25<meshuggah>what is the webpage to paste it
16:25<meshuggah>i dont remember, please :)
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16:25<meshuggah>pastebin i think
16:26<chealer>!tell meshuggah about paster
16:26<meshuggah>thank again
16:28<guilherme>i have a C++ source code that was writed with ms visual c++, can i compile it in my linux or will i have same problem with then?? is there a lib that correct it or i will need to rewrite part of the code???? thanks
16:28<Breadcultist>can't hurt to try compiling without changing
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16:29<chealer>meshuggah: if that was your xorg.conf, then you have lines which aren't about your keyboard. in particular, Section "Device" is relevant for the manual way.
16:30<guilherme>this code isnt mine, the author sayd about ms safe string that will be incompatible with linux
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16:31<Breadcultist>if I want to watch youtube and play browser games, is flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound what I need?
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16:32<meshuggah>chealer, what is => Option "UseFBDev" "true"
16:32<chealer>meshuggah: I don't know
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16:32<valdyn>guilherme: its a matter of which apis were used
16:33<valdyn>guilherme: theres no simple answer
16:33<meshuggah>chealer, ok
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16:33<valdyn>guilherme: except if you dont want to fix anything, then most likely it just wont work
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16:34<valdyn>guilherme: visual c++ makes it very hard to create portable code and automagically creates totally unportable stuff )
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16:35<valdyn>guilherme: yet you could try compiling it against wine
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16:36<guilherme>the problem is that i need to compile it to use at matlab, and i cant use wine for that
16:36<valdyn>guilherme: that does not make sense
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16:36<valdyn>guilherme: or did you miss the fact that i said "compile against wine", i didnt see "run with wine"
16:37<meshuggah>chealer, i think it is working now, at least the width of the screen is back to normal
16:37<meshuggah>chealer, glxinfo is working now
16:38<Breadcultist>how about glxgears, you know you love those spinning cogs
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16:38<meshuggah>chealer, and now i can see my mouse pointer in brutal chess, and i ve more than 2fps now...thank a lot
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16:39<guilherme>sorry, i cant understand "compiling it against wine"
16:39<meshuggah>chealer, and now, what/how about TV-out
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16:41<chealer>meshuggah: I don't know about TV-out. nvidia-settings might help.
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16:45<serge>what is better to install, x86 or x64 system?
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16:45<Breadcultist>if I try installing flash from adobe again, could it magically not be broken this time?
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16:48<chealer>serge: it depends on the software and performance you need. on a desktop system, at least Sun's Java plugin may be an issue with x86-64
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16:48<chealer>serge: #debian-amd64 may know better
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16:49<chealer>Breadcultist: you only need the Flash plugin, which can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree
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16:50<Breadcultist>doesn't work unless I do some messing around to get stuff from older repos...
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16:53<Breadcultist>actually it's not such a long process, I'll do that
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16:56<BlueG>when installing Lenny, I mistyped the lvm encryption passphrase so that they didn't match... this caused it to send me back to selecting the partitioning scheme and then re-erasing the hd (which takes quite some time), is this normal? Shouldn't mistyping the password simply prompt you to retype the password?
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17:03<Breadcultist>question, how do I do this: "Edit /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list to allow sid/flashplugin-nonfree from Debian unstable to be installed ..." - what line(s) do I need to add?
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17:04<Breadcultist>that one doesn't exist yet
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17:10<enouf>Breadcultist: "touch /etc/apt/preferences" and voila, existance - man apt_preferences
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17:11<disv>hmmm my rt2500 drivers performance is really poor..
17:11<enouf>Breadcultist: /msg dpkg pinning (and/or /msg dpkg ssb)
17:11<disv>max 55KBps ffs
17:11<Breadcultist>hmmm thanks!
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17:16<valdyn>disv: rt2x00 or rt2500 ?
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17:23<Elessar>i have a software (to name it: ejabberd) that runs as a simple user, and needs a certificate key file
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17:23<Elessar>what would you recommend: add ejabberd to the ssl-cert group, open /etc/ssl/private to other people and put the key in it?
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17:24<valdyn>Elessar: put the private key to where the ejabberd user can read it
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17:24<valdyn>Elessar: and dont mess with permissions of /etc/ssl/private/, that would be fucked up
17:24<Elessar>the thing is that it splits my ssl management
17:24<valdyn>Elessar: so what
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17:25<valdyn>Elessar: you can still create a link in /etc/ssl/private
17:25<Elessar>i should put something to remember what i did, in order to remember to do the same next time i change my certificate
17:25<Elessar>a symlink, that is a perfect (what is the english expression for something that makes you remember something?)
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17:27*Elessar thinks to something like a knot in one's handkerchief, a post-it…
17:27<Elessar>anyway, thank you
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17:41<sergiu_>i want to remove epiphany-gecko but there is a dependencies conflicts ..
17:41<sergiu_>anyone know how to remove this browser without to remove the whole system?
17:42<sergiu_>aptitude remove epiphany-gecko ; 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 216 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
17:42<sergiu_>Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 551MB will be freed.
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17:44<zumbi>sergiu_: what about using dpkg?
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17:46<debianforlife>sergiu_, what version of debian are you running? one silly package liquidating the whole system like that is a very ubuntuish thing, strange
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17:47<dondelelcaro>sergiu_: aptitude is removing everything, because removing what you asks removed the gnome package, and everything else is automatically installed because of that
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17:47<dondelelcaro>sergiu_: what you want to do is to use the curses interface of aptitude to mark the packages installed by the gnome package as manually installed, then remove the gnome package and epiphany
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17:48<k1lumin4t1>hw could I workout a non-met debian package dependency?
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17:49<k1lumin4t1>I can't install kde 4.2 using unstable/experimental, as explained on the debian-kde team site, because of that
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17:49<sergiu_>anyone know, is the debian-russian an official partner of debian?
17:49<dondelelcaro>k1lumin4t1: you'd have to give more information
17:49<dondelelcaro>sergiu_: which debian russian?
17:50<sergiu_>channel , #debian-russian
17:50<sergiu_>i mean if it is registered to debian loco team or something this..
17:50<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, kdebase-workspace depends on kdebase-workspace-bin (>= 4:4.0.2-2) but it's not instalable
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17:51<dondelelcaro>k1lumin4t1: because it's only in experimental
17:51<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, I'm doing aptitude -t experimental kde4-minimal
17:52<dondelelcaro>k1lumin4t1: you'd have to examine the output of aptitude install kdebase-workspace-bin; to see what was going on there
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17:53<dondelelcaro>but supporting packages in experimental is something that we really don't do here; you should really be capable of figuring all of that out if you're going to use experimental
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17:53<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, is there a way I could build all packages by myself?
17:54<disv>there is a problem with kde4 in the experimental repos
17:54<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, where is it documented?
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17:54<dondelelcaro>k1lumin4t1: but it's almost certainly not what you want to do. Where are you trying to install these experimental packages?
17:55<dondelelcaro>there probably are multiple problems with them... they're in experimental, after all...
17:55<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, in my laptop
17:55<disv>from what i read earlier kde4 will be moved to unstable soonish
17:55<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, I want to give kde 4.2 a try
17:55<dondelelcaro>k1lumin4t1: and you're running what version of Debian?
17:55<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, Unstable/experimental
17:55<disv>yeah normally they work perfectly, they're out of sync.. i tried installing them as well earlier today
17:55<disv>broken packages, missing dependencies
17:56<dondelelcaro>well, they did a new upload of some packages recently
17:56<dondelelcaro>so it's quite likely that the experimental autobuilders haven't caught up (or your mirrors are out of date)
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17:57<disv>i used both the de/fr experimental repos.. same issue
17:57<dondelelcaro>so if you're running i386, for example, you'll need to wait for the 4:4.2.0-2 binary packages to be built
17:58<dondelelcaro>(or find yourself a copy of kdebase-workspace-data 4:4.2.0-1 from
17:58<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, don't you have any idea on how much time does that take?
17:58<dondelelcaro>usually under 24 hours
17:58<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, it's asking me for kdebase-workspace-bin 4:4.2.0-2
17:58<k1lumin4t1>and all the other packages have *-2
17:58<pancaran>can i istall debian from kde knoppix?
17:59<dondelelcaro>k1lumin4t1: yeah, because that's the most recent version; the Architecture: all packages are -2, but not every architecture has built the -1 packages
17:59<pancaran>istal debian without boot
17:59<dondelelcaro>err, s/-1/-2/
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17:59<dondelelcaro>pancaran: yes, you can, but you might as well just use the Debian installer
18:00<dr|z3d>I've just reinstalled the non-free nvidia driver for my ancient tnt2 riva. Now X can't find any screens. What's the best way to fix? dpkg-reconfigure xorg.. or something else?
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18:00<dondelelcaro>pancaran: see
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18:05<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, is actually dead?
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18:06<adb>yes, it is integrated in debian
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18:11<dbbolton>i can't boot from usb or from the network. i can't boot an debian cd, but i can boot damn small linux. is there any way to install debian to the hard drive
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18:12<bzed>dbbolton: how do you boot damn small linux?
18:12<dr|z3d>Hmm. Well, dpkg-reconfigure xorg gets me precisely nowhere.
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18:14<dbbolton>bzed from a cd with "failsafe" and "nousb"
18:14<bzed>dbbolton: then booting the debian installer with proper options should work, too
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18:15<bzed>dbbolton: have a look at the available options in the installer's boot menu
18:15<bzed>dbbolton: noapic is probably a good thing to test, or similar options
18:15<bzed>nousb should work, too
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18:16<dbbolton>bzed i think i tried disabling every thing that can be disabled from the boot menu but i'll double check
18:16<dbbolton>usually it just freezes after a couple seconds of hitting enter
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18:22<dbbolton>i tried "noapic" and "acpi=off", but again it stopped during the boot process
18:23<dbbolton>the cd drive shut off and no keystrokes do anything
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18:23<Sgw>For updating Java to version 1.6 I got: jre-6u11-linux-i586.bin How do I use this file?
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18:23<dbbolton>Sgw chmod +x file, ./file
18:24<themill>Sgw: you don't. You use the debian packages.
18:24<themill>Sgw: etch or lenny?
18:24<Sgw>themill: I didn't see anything about 1.6, lenny
18:24<Sgw>themill: my version now is 1.5
18:24<Sgw>themill: o, think I only looked in stable area
18:25<themill>Sgw: install the sun-java-6-jre package from non-free. /msg dpkg non-free sources ; /msg dpkg install java
18:25<Sgw>themill: thx ill try that
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18:29<Lance4>Anyone know how to install java in debian?
18:30<Lance4>I used the add/remove apps program to install but I don't thing the plugin for Iceweasel was installed
18:31<themill>dpkg: tell Lance4 about install java
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18:36<meshuggah>anyone here knows how to use TV-out with debian lenny?
18:37<Lance4>ok I all ready have openjdk-6-jre
18:37<Lance4>but there is a site that acts as if I don't have any java installed
18:38<themill>Lance4: did you install icedtea-gcjwebplugin?
18:38<BlueG>what do you get by selecting Web server, Mail server, and SQL database at install time?
18:39<Lance4>so I type in "apt-get install icedtea-gcjwebplugin"?
18:39<themill>Lance4: yes
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18:40<Lance4>ok installed
18:40<Lance4>now sohould I be good to go?
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18:40<adama>Lance4: try it
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18:41<Lance4>restarting web browser
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18:41<Lance4>going to site
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18:42<Lance4>trying game on site.....
18:42<Lance4>tnx u
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18:44<Lance4>the window with the game in it just quit on me
18:44<Lance4>and it didn't load all the way
18:45<Lance4>now what?
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18:45<the-next>hola q como estan
18:45<themill>Lance4: i386 or amd64?
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18:45<Lance4>intel so I think i386
18:47<themill>Lance4: not necessarily. What does "uname -r" say?
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18:47<Lance4>it says "2.6.26-1-686"
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18:48<Lance4>so I'm guessing i686?
18:49<themill>Lance4: right, so that is i386. In that case, you could try installing "sun-java6-plugin" from non-free and then change the java that is used with update-java-alternatives. It may work better...
18:49<Lance4>uh... what?
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18:50<Lance4>so do I unintall the other java one
18:50<themill>Lance4: go back and read what dpkg told you earlier. /msg dpkg install java ; /msg dpkg non-free sources
18:50<Lance4> /msg dpkg non-free sources
18:50<themill>Lance4: You don't need to uninstall openjdk, you would just need to switch which java is used by running update-java-alternatives (and following the instructions it gives)
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18:51<Sgw>lance4, i might be getting it soon
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18:52<Sgw>themill: do u know if I'm getting jre v6, is it best idea to get jdk v6 also? want to be as stable as I can, but need this
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18:52<themill>Sgw: if you aren't writing java apps, you don't need the jdk.
18:52<Sgw>themill: ah thx
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18:53<Lance4>it says it can't find sun-java6-plugin when I type apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
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18:56<Lance4>so... again now what?
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18:57<Sgw>Lance4, I found that it's on backports, I added "deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list Then $ sudo aptitude update, Then $ sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports install sun-java6-jre . do at your own risk... I'm just trying this out now myself
18:57<Lance4>uh ok
18:57<adb>on lenny ?
18:57<Sgw>found it at, do google search for that with java 1.6 in title
18:58<Sgw>replace lenny with etch if u need
18:58<themill>Lance4: did you enable non-free in your sources.list?
18:58<Lance4>don't know how
18:58<themill> is not needed for java 6 in lenny.
18:58<themill>Lance4: so go back and ask dpkg about non-free sources again.
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18:58<Sgw>themill: ah good catch, ill take that out later then
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19:00<Sgw>themill: what do u mean ask dpkg? i read man and didn't find anything about non-free
19:00<Lance4> /msg dpkg non-free sources
19:00<themill>dpkg: tell Sgw about non-free sources
19:00<Lance4>ok so how do I ask?
19:01<themill>dpkg: tell Lance4 about non-free sources
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19:01<Sgw>themill: ah ty didn't know we had that :P
19:01<themill>Lance4: your client probably opened up a new window or tab with message from the dpkg bot
19:01<Lance4>got it just now
19:01<xxx>themill you are from debian-russian?
19:02<themill>err... no.
19:02<xxx>sorry then
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19:03<Lance4>ok, is it a bad thing to be installing non-free app and program updates?
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19:06*Lance4 wishes that someone could just control my pc and install what I needed
19:06*Lance4 *his
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19:12<Sgw>themill: I'm still showing java 1.5 after installing, the out-dated site I mentioned earlier had a step: "update-alternatives --config java" But I get command not found. Do you know what I do to have 1.6 as primary java?
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19:14<themill>Sgw: can you pastebin the output of: dpkg -l "*java*" | grep ^.i
19:14<Sgw>themill: yea sec
19:15<Lance4>do I have to unstall openjava before I install sun-java6-plugin?
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19:17<Lance4>themill: do I have to unstall openjava before I install sun-java6-plugin?
19:17<drunkyGriffin>server<> [<6667>]
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19:17<Sgw>themill: no such file or dir for grep ^ .i it is showing both java 5 and java 6
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19:18<themill>Sgw: that's all one command
19:18<themill>Lance4: [23:50] <themill> Lance4: You don't need to uninstall openjdk, you would just need to switch which java is used by running update-java-alternatives (and following the instructions it gives)
19:18<Sgw>themill: I did as 1
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19:18<Sgw>themill: sounds like I should uninstall sun-java5-jre
19:18<themill>Sgw: ahh.. no space between the ^ an d.
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19:19<Sgw>themill: ok
19:19<themill>Sgw: may as well, in any case
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19:19<Lance4>themill: should I get rid of non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list after I install this?
19:19<themill>Lance4: no, you'll need to keep it there to get updated versions of java in the future.
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19:20<Lance4>but will it matter to the rest of Debian when I update it?
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19:20<Lance4>update debian
19:21<themill>no. Just leave your sources.list as it is now.
19:21<Lance4>and when I run update-java-alternatives what code do I use?
19:21<Sgw>themill: if u want to have a look, looks like only v 6 from this command
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19:22<themill>Sgw: if you wanted the browser plugin, you also need to install sun-java6-plugin
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19:23<Sgw>ah ok, was actually getting for a VPN program, but might as well keep versions the same
19:23<Lance4>I typed update-java-alternatives and shows this
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19:23<Lance4>debian:/home/lance# update-java-alternatives
19:23<Lance4>usage: update-java-alternatives [--jre-headless] [--jre] [--plugin] [ -t|--test|-v|--verbose]
19:23<Lance4>-l--list [<jname>]
19:23<Lance4>-s--set <jname>
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19:23<Sgw>themill: thx for your help, pretty sure I got all I needed
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19:24<themill>Sgw: no worries
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19:24<themill>dpkg: tell Lance4 about paste
19:24<themill>Lance4: so from that output, what do you think the next thing you might run would be?
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19:26<themill>Lance4: that'll be step 2. First, we need to know what names they have. --list will tell you them
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19:27<Lance4>ok it shows
19:27<themill>Lance4: So something like: update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun
19:28<Lance4>that are them
19:28<Lance4>so the I set the 2nd one?
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19:30<Lance4>it shows a bunch of no alternatives
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19:31<Lance4>one of them is appletviewer
19:31<Lance4>I thought I needed that
19:32<themill>appletviewer is to view applets outside of a browser
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19:32<Lance4>well what about jconsole?
19:33<Lance4>I just ran the game I tried before
19:33<Lance4>and it worked
19:33<aetheria_>Lance4: you want to install java-package then run make-java-package
19:33<aetheria_>that gets you the office sun jre
19:34<abrotman>uh .. no
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19:34<Lance4>so I'm good I think
19:35<Lance4>what about updating from non-free
19:35<Lance4>is that ok
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19:36<aetheria_>oh, i see there's already a sun-java6-plugin so you don't need that unless you want the entire jre or jdk
19:37<Lance4>themill: what about updating debian from non-free is that ok?
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19:38<themill>Lance4: "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" should do just what you want it to.
19:38<themill>aetheria_: umm, no. The entire jdk is available from the debian packages.
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19:39<Sgw>themill: The paste I made did only show java6, but in just dpkg -l "*java*" I see sun-java5-jre. Both dpkg and apt-get show I don't have sun-java5-jre. But $java -version says version 1.5.0.... How do I know what version of jre I really have working??
19:39<Cornucopia>hi all :)
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19:39<Lance4>themill: so updating and upgrading with the non-free in my sources.list file is just fine
19:39<Lance4>tnx for helping
19:39<themill>Sgw: other versions of java will be visible to dpkg but will be status "rc" (i.e. removed).
19:40<Lance4>it seems to be working
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19:40<Lance4>bye everyone
19:40<themill>Sgw: to make everything use java 6, do what Lance4 just did with update-java-alternatives.
19:40<Cornucopia>I have installed curl 7.19.3 and I'm getting this error with curl: curl: (6) Resolving host timed out:
19:40<Sgw>themill: ah thx, did a reboot and missed
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19:40<Cornucopia>any one could help with resolving that issue?
19:40<Sgw>mt lol
19:41<themill>Sgw: ahh,... update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun
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19:42<Sgw>themill: update-java-alternatives: command not found
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19:42<themill>Sgw: as root?
19:42<simonrvn>try /usr/sbin/ in front and running it with sudo
19:42<Sgw>themill: got it :)
19:43<simonrvn>though themill has a point you probably don't have sudo set up yet.
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19:43<Sgw>simonrvn: I do have a fairly new install but did get to sudoers
19:43<themill>!sudosmite simonrvn
19:43*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to simonrvn and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
19:44<abrotman>Cornucopia: installed it from where ?
19:44<simonrvn>one-shot deals, hey, it's useful.
19:44<Cornucopia>from source
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19:44<abrotman>does the debian package work?
19:44<Cornucopia>lenny comes with 7.18.x
19:44<simonrvn>besides, you configure sudo right you close a few loopholes
19:44<Cornucopia>I need version 7.19.3 for rtorrent
19:44<abrotman>does the debian package work?
19:45<abrotman>rtorrent is also packaged
19:45<ADO>I've got a load of purge, deinstall, etc entries if I do a "dpkg --show-selections". I'm guessing this is why I can't even do an "aptitude upgrade aptitude". How do I get rid of the pending things?
19:46<Cornucopia>yeah but the stable rtorrent is 0.8.2 while the available one on lenny is 0.7.9
19:46<abrotman>so does the debian curl package work ?
19:46<Cornucopia>while the other version available of rtorrent is on experimental repo which is 0.8.4
19:46<Cornucopia>on my fresh install of lenny I could not find curl
19:47<abrotman>judd: versions curl
19:47<judd>abrotman: curl -- etch: 7.15.5-1etch1 etch-security: 7.15.5-1etch1 lenny: 7.18.2-8 sid: 7.18.2-8 squeeze: 7.18.2-8
19:47<Cornucopia>so I installed lubcurl3
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19:48<abrotman>so you knew the version of curl in lenny .. but couldn't find it to install it, so you just thought you'd compile it from source?
19:48<abrotman>all this .. even though rtorrent is already in lenny ...
19:48<Cornucopia>lenny doesn't have the stable version of rtorrent
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19:49<Cornucopia>which s 0.8.2
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19:49<amphi>Cornucopia: what does that do, that you need, that 0.7.9 does not?
19:49<Cornucopia>even though, rtorrent has an issue with curl < 7.19.x
19:50<Cornucopia>rtorrent 0.8.2 is the stable version as per rtorrent home page
19:50<abrotman>stop avoiding his quesiton
19:50<abrotman>have you even tried the rtorrent packages in lenny?
19:50<Cornucopia>what question? :)
19:50<Cornucopia>no ..
19:51<abrotman>so you can't actually verify your curl issue still exists ?
19:51<Cornucopia>I will tell you why :)
19:51<abrotman>i doubt it will validate your decision :)
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19:52<Cornucopia>I can't yes, :) but it's on the rtorrent known bugs list at rtorrent home page
19:52<abrotman>rtorrent bugs are not necessarily Debian bugs .. debian patches/fixes/backports lots of stuff that upstream may not
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19:53<Cornucopia>and also, I need xmlrpc support and afaik the lenny package doesn't have it
19:53<abrotman>you really should try it
19:53<abrotman>yeah .. that's probably why the lenny rtorrent depends on libxmlrpc .. silly people
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19:54<abrotman>!depends rtorrent lenny
19:54<dpkg>rtorrent: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libtorrent10, libxmlrpc-c3
19:54<ADO>are there changelogs for packages somewhere?
19:54<abrotman>yes .. many places
19:55<ADO>it often seems hard to work out whats been fixes other than looking at the patches in the src package
19:55<ADO>whats my magic command/location of changelog?
19:55<dmoerner_>ADO: aptitude changelog package
19:56<ADO>fair enough, that is an obvious place...
19:57<dmoerner_>they are also installed into /usr/share/doc/package/changelog.Debian.gz
19:57<Cornucopia>abrotman: curl 7.19.3 is installed at /usr/local
19:57<abrotman>and what?
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19:58<Cornucopia>may be the reason for the error is that libcur 7.19.3 (which installed when I built curl 7.19.3 ) conflicts with libcurl3 7.18.x that came with lenny?
19:59<abrotman>maybe you should install the debian packages
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20:00<k1lumin4t1>how's debian amd64 these days in usability?
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20:02<stevecotton>k1lumin4t1: stable
20:02<k1lumin4t1>stevecotton, you using it?
20:02<stevecotton>have been on amd64 unstable for ages
20:03<k1lumin4t1>stevecotton, I have a AMD Sempron 64 bits Compaq Presario Laptop and been wondering if I could go with Debian amd64
20:03<stevecotton>and it's an official arch for Debian 5.0 (the one that just released)
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20:03<dpkg>lenny is probably the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>.
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20:04<ranix>well I'll be damned
20:04<k1lumin4t1>stevecotton, is it possible to run nividia driver in it?
20:04<ranix>Slashdot dropped the ball
20:04<ranix>why wasn't I notified
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20:06<ADO>i'm pretty sure it was on slashdot...
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20:06<stevecotton>!tell k1lumin4t1 about nvidia
20:07<abrotman>ranix: it was on slashdot
20:07<k1lumin4t1>stevecotton, what about flash in amd64?
20:08<ADO>adobe released amd64 flash for linux...
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20:08<ADO>it actually seems to be more stable than the released version of flash
20:08<ranix>abrotman: I must have been too busy to read that day
20:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 395] by debhelper
20:09<abrotman>ranix: it was a sunday ...
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20:09<stevecotton>goodnight all
20:09<ranix>abrotman: well I was far too busy to read slashdot on Sunday
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20:10<ranix>I don't need to be working at all on Sunday
20:10<ranix>too busy relaxing for that
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20:10<dkr>reading /. == working? haha
20:11<ranix>it's the best way to know why morons are calling me with acrobat reader viruses
20:12<ranix>and also to pretend I know what he's talking about when the boss tries to make small talk "Did you hear about that new virus"
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20:12<ranix>very useful
20:12<ranix>also hearsay on lawsuits and GPL and Obama's medical imaging plans
20:13<ranix>very relevent to my job
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20:32<deadowl>Today I was unable to install Debian on a 32bit SparcStation, an Alphastation 300, and an SGI Indy.
20:33<doyle23>hey guys i have a question prob everyone knows . im using ubuntu and cannot fastforward on dvds using totem even after i installed all the restricted extras . what am i missing??
20:33<simonrvn>doyle23: missing a /join #ubuntu
20:33<blarson>deadowl: 32 bit sparcs aren't supported anymore.
20:33<deadowl>yes, i know so much
20:34<deadowl>I tried using a legacy netboot because that's the only way to install anything on it.
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20:34<deadowl>no working optical
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20:34<deadowl>well, actually, the only machine with a working optical was the alphastation 300
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20:35<deadowl>and I tried netboot, net install, and base system install.
20:35<deadowl>none worked
20:35<abrotman>need more info
20:35<deadowl>ended up getting some bootstrap error when loading the base system every time.
20:36<deadowl>know what a bootstrap error would be?
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20:37<abrotman>deadowl: which installer?
20:37<deadowl>abrotman, 1 sec i'll look
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20:41<deadowl>and ...netinst.iso
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20:42<abrotman>okay .. so you just did the basic install and it died?
20:42<abrotman>did you use internet sources? or just the CD?
20:43<deadowl>tried both ways
20:43<deadowl>same error both ways.
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20:44<deadowl>I was able to get a couple of Sun Ultra 1s to work with Debian where I wasn't getting them to work with Ubuntu though (they were hanging on loading the partitioner)
20:45<deadowl>But then it was epic fail from there.
20:46<abrotman>there is a #debian-alpha, but might be mostly dead
20:46<deadowl>compared to here anyway
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20:47<deadowl>how about a channel for SGI MIPS?
20:48<deadowl>The installer went haywire, wanted me to manually partition
20:48<deadowl>then it failed at loading the kernel
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20:49<deadowl>then before I left I re-netbooted and got a guided partition. But I won't know until tomorrow whether the second go actually worked
20:49<deadowl>In either case there are 4 SGI MIPS boxes compared to one Alpha box.
20:50<deadowl>oh, do you know whether a supported netboot exists at all for SPARC-32?
20:50<abrotman>not for lenny i don't think
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20:50<deadowl>not so much limiting to Debian.
20:50<abrotman>you might want to try the mailing lists for each architecture
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20:52<abrotman>for example
20:52<blarson>deadowl: There is #debian-sparc
20:53<abrotman>but it's sparc32 i think .. dead in lenny i believe
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20:54<deadowl>Yea, I've already got all 17 of the sparc64s installed with something.
20:54<blarson>sparc32 is no longer supported by debian. Basicly admiting reality, it didn't work well in etch, and noone with the kernel knolage thought it was worth their time.
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20:54<deadowl>was etch regression would you say?
20:55<deadowl>like, would it be worth it to try netbooting sarge?
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20:55<blarson>Openbsd may support sparc32.
20:56<blarson>deadowl: sarge isn't in the standard archives anymore, but you may be able to get it running.
20:56<rgb30>so i used to run a win32 app with wine and it ran fine with no problems at all. now whenever i run the app my pc says something about running above termperature and beginning throttling. this only happens in under wine in linux. is there something that could have happened to cause my cpu to run hotter when i use this application?
20:56<abrotman>deadowl: FWIW .. i think netbsd still supports sparc32
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20:57<deadowl>abrotman, I began investigating that earlier.
20:57<blarson>rgb30: Could just be more dust in your fan, or bearings going out.
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20:58<rgb30>what's that stuff in a can that cleans dust out of the computer?
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20:59<deadowl>rgb30, air.
20:59<crunchyfrog>rgb30, air?
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20:59<abrotman>compressed air cans
21:00<Guest66>can you help me?
21:00<abrotman>did you ask a question?
21:00<deadowl>rgb30, if I find soda residue on a circuit board, is it screwed?
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21:01<aetheria_>you need to wash it off with deionized water and allow it to dry thoroughly
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21:01<deadowl>I had ethanol suggested to me
21:01<aetheria_>DI is safer
21:01<rgb30>wHo suggested that?
21:02<deadowl>biggest problem is that it has seeped into a button.
21:02<abrotman>##hardware on freenode ...
21:02<aetheria_>circuit boards are usually washed in H2O as part of the mfg process
21:02<deadowl>and I really really really need that button to work.
21:02<rgb30>u like pushing buttons, yes?
21:02<aetheria_>spray the button out with contact cleaner
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21:02<aetheria_>H2O shouldn't hurt it either
21:02<rgb30>is the audience listening?
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21:04<deadowl>I'm thinking my problems with the SGI probably has to do with the partitioning.
21:04<deadowl>because this walkthrough I'm reading really stresses that
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21:33<jmichaelx>using kde3.5 in lenny, and now squeeze, screensavers start up, then freeze after maybe 5-10 seconds. would anyone know what it might be that i would need o install and or change to fix this? thanks!
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21:35<Nemoder>jmichaelx: opengl screensavers? might be video driver problem
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21:39<jmichaelx>Nemoder: yes, i think this is primarily with opengl screensavers... i am using the OSS ATI driver with a radeon 900 AGP adapter
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21:40<jmichaelx>radeon 9000*
21:40<Nemoder>yes it sounds likely that is the issue, you might try the non-free driver or disable all the opengl screensavers
21:40<BlueG>What are the main reasons Debian uses PostgreSQL rather than MySQL by default? How big are the differences from a web development perspective?
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21:40<jmichaelx>ty Nemoder
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21:41<abrotman>BlueG: i could see licensing being one issue
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21:42<jmichaelx>Nemoder: i need to doublecheck this, but i believe that these same screensavers work just fine with other DE's.. is it likely that the video driver would still be the problem?
21:42<BlueG>I thought MySQL was available under a free, copyleft license?
21:43<Nemoder>jmichaelx: don't know about that, although some DEs make use of opengl themselves so perhaps the driver has problems doing both at once
21:44<jmichaelx>Nemoder: ahh, that sounds quite possible. thanks for the input.
21:45<abrotman>BlueG: IIRC it has two licenses
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21:46<BlueG>well, if one of them is, for instance, GPL, I don't see the problem...
21:46<abrotman>BlueG: .. see the licensing section
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21:50<BlueG>it does seem to be GPL, with Sun's FLOSS license exception for the client libraries, although the trademark on the name "MySQL" might be problematic...
21:51<abrotman>there's a section about OEMs VARs .. .etc
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21:52<BlueG>They sell "proprietary" licenses as well
21:52<BlueG>but that doesn't in anyway limit the rights of anyone who recieves the software under the GPL
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21:53<tcsetattr>aside from that, MySQL used to be under a license that had bigger problems. Debian's preference for postgres dates back to that period
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21:53<tcsetattr>so it could just be inertia
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21:54<BlueG>From a practical standpoint, how will using PostgreSQL instead of MySQL affect someone learning web design using php? Most tutorials I have seen assume you are using MySQL
21:54<abrotman>BlueG: it's a F/OSS exception
21:54<BlueG>tcsetattr: ok, I guess that makes sense
21:55<abrotman>but in general, pgsql is a better database
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21:55<abrotman>IMO anyways .. for wahtever that's worth
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21:57<BlueG>abrotman: ok. Any particular features that standout? What differences will you run across in using it from php for database-backed web design?
21:57<abrotman>BlueG: for a simple site, not really
21:58<BlueG>ok, I think I'll go with it.
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21:59<abrotman>it being ?
21:59<BlueG>PostreSQL :-)
22:00<abrotman>good choice!
22:00<abrotman>now all we hve to get you to do is not use phppgadmin
22:01<BlueG>Am I right in thinking that the base system includes an MTA configured for local delivery only and a print system, but the mail server task gets you a MUA and an MTA for external delivery etc, and the print server task gets you a print server for remote printing?
22:01<BlueG>abrotman: done!
22:01<BlueG>I tend to avoid those kind of tools anyway
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22:10<blast_hardcheese>What's the best way to install xorg? I was doing xserver-xorg, but someone told me that was wrong,
22:10<abrotman>aptitude install xorg
22:10<stew>blast_hardcheese: aptitude install xorg
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22:10<blast_hardcheese>awesome, thanks abrotman, stew
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22:11<Cornucopia>I'm getting this from curl: "curl: (6) Resolving host timed out:
22:11<Cornucopia>would you help me please to resolve that?
22:12<abrotman>Cornucopia: did you install the debian curl yet?
22:12<dondelelcaro>Cornucopia: uh... surely you want
22:12<abrotman>actually .. "wwww" works also
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22:19<Cornucopia>yes, abrotman .. I did install curl package ..
22:20<abrotman>Cornucopia: so what does `curl --version` return ?
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22:22<Cornucopia>abrotman: it give me the7.19.3 version which I have complied from source
22:22<abrotman>so you're still not using the debian version ...
22:23<abrotman>i have curl installed on lenny, it works perfectly fine
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22:24<Cornucopia>yeah, how can make the system recognize curl version installed from debian package instead of the one i did manually?
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22:32<Semitry>i have a disk drive that i need to recover. I've used dd with noerror,sync but when it reaches a certain sectore the drive stops responding, if i skip a range of sectors then it'll read again, is there a way to combine all the sector with nulls during the failed reads?
22:33<enouf>Semitry: use gddrescue
22:33<Semitry>enouf: reading! thanks
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22:40<vfaronov>Hello. How can I restrict X.Org Server 7.3 to the set of modes explicitly listed in xorg.conf?
22:40<vfaronov>I specified one mode, but SDL-based games still try to switch to another mode (which I don't want, and which doesn't work) when run in fullscreen mode.
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22:55<Steven_M>does anyone here use the WM ratpoision?
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22:59<simonrvn>!tell Steven_M -about ask
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23:01<Steven_M>how do you rezise a diagolog box window in Ratpoison?
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23:03<k1lumin4t1>is this mirror actually true: ?
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23:05<abrotman>k1lumin4t1: see #debian-kde
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23:11<jras006> #Apache
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23:11<jras006>join #Apache
23:12<jras006>anyone know where I can get help with Apache?
23:14<gsimmons>jras006: #apache on
23:14<dr|z3d>jras006: #apache on freenode.
23:15<jras006>wiked thanks..
23:15<dr|z3d>jras006: Also, for future reference, it's /join #apache .. not the forward slash..
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23:43<denny>i wanna some help to u
23:43<denny>plz help me
23:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
23:45<denny>i m using window 2003 server and another is ubuntu i want to connect the server as a client
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