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---Logopened Fri Feb 27 00:00:17 2009
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00:12<Gun_Smoke>anyone like rdiff-backup?
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00:13<Xenguy>Gun_Smoke: checked it out briefly, prefer rsnapshot
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00:13<Gun_Smoke>I was reading it was a bit better than rsnapshot
00:14<Xenguy>Gun_Smoke: I don't remember details, but I had some problems crop up when I was testing rdiff-backup for the first time, so I said enough, I'm going to rsnapshot which just seems to work
00:14<Xenguy>YMMV :-)
00:15<Gun_Smoke>haha.. yeah, well space is limited here.. so rdiff seem to fit the ticket..
00:15<Gun_Smoke>"An rsync-snapshot system basically stores older backups as complete copies of the source. As mentioned earlier in the chapter, by being clever with hard links, these copies do not take long to create and usually do not take up nearly as much disk space as unlinked copies. However, every distinct version of every file in the backup is stored as a separate copy of that file. For instance, if you add one line to a file or change a file's
00:16<Gun_Smoke>permissions, that file is stored twice in the backup archive in its entirety. This can be troublesome especially with logfiles, which grow slightly quite often."
00:16<Xenguy>Gun_Smoke: rsnapshot optimizes space also I believe
00:16<Xenguy>Gun_Smoke: hrm, whatever, I don't backup log files anyway
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00:17<Gun_Smoke>"On the other hand, rdiff-backup does not keep complete copies of older files in the backup archive. Instead, it stores only the compressed differences between current files and their older versions, called diffs or deltas. For logfiles, rdiff-backup would not keep a separate copy of the older and slightly shorter log. Instead, it would save to the archive a delta file that contains the information "the older version is the current vers
00:17<Gun_Smoke>ion but without the last few lines." These deltas are often much smaller than an entire copy of the older file. When a file has changed completely, the delta is about the same size as the older version (but is then compressed)."
00:17*Xenguy shrugs...
00:17<Xenguy>OK use it if you want to - probably works just fine
00:18<Xenguy>gotta hit the sack, I'm vegged
00:18<Gun_Smoke>from Backup & Recovery By W. Preston ..
00:18<Xenguy>Gun_Smoke: the oreilly book?
00:19<Xenguy>sitting on my bookshelf right to my left - hah
00:19<Xenguy>I'll check it out
00:19<Xenguy>gotta ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
00:19<Gun_Smoke>chapter 7
00:19<Xenguy>TTYL :-)
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00:50<Lance4>how do I put myself into the sudoers file?
00:50<Lance4>I know that but then what?
00:52<Lance4>ok I got to the file but then what?
00:52<Gun_Smoke>dunno from there.. I don't use it.
00:52<Lance4>anyone else know
00:52<Gun_Smoke>See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file.
00:53<blarson>Lance4: man sudoers
00:53<Gun_Smoke>man /etc/sudoers
00:54<viashino>Hi, can a non DD adopt an orphaned package?
00:55<blarson>viashino: Yes, if you get a DD to sponsor you
00:55<blarson>s/sponsor you/sponsor your uploads/
00:58<viashino>so only sponser can use WNPP ?
00:58<Lance4>I still don't get the sudo file
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01:08<Gun_Smoke>Laney, if it's just you on the machine try to follow the same as the root=(all) thing.. I forget what it looks like
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01:09<Gun_Smoke>below the root entry copy it with your user
01:09<Gun_Smoke>user ALL=(ALL) ALL
01:09<blarson>viashino: Anyone can use WNPP, but you can't actually upload the package without a DD sponsoring your upload.
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01:12<viashino>so I can announce which package I want to adopt first ?
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01:24<blarson>viashino: Sure.
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01:28<viashino>blarson: thanks alot
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01:53<thehardman>hola is dead
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01:59<Lance4>how do I use my wii remote under debian as a mouse?
02:00<Lance4>I tried installing WMD and CWiid and neather work on wii remote to mouse fuction
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02:01<Lance4>can anyone help?
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02:28<ricardo_nit>Tanta gente, e ninguém fala nada !! rs
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03:07<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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03:09<TMcTrain_>i got the message pcspkr already loadet on bootup, is it whise to blacklist this module to prevent autoload?
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03:09<jm_>you can ignore that message
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03:10<TMcTrain_>it disturbes me, deeply
03:10<jm_>disturb it back
03:13<TMcTrain_>as i have no speaker I keep the line in the balcklist so it won't disturb me! :-)
03:15<jm_>make sure you blacklist it properly, there's also ALSA speaker driver
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03:23<duraperidol>jm_: ni huy shui putonghua ma?
03:24<jm_>please speak english here
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03:25<duraperidol>jm_: I thought that you were a Chinese speaker, and were asking for help :-).
03:25<jm_>duraperidol: no not me, it was for jeinyang
03:25<duraperidol>for reference, english = "yingwen" in standard Pinyin,
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03:27<duraperidol>jm_: ah. sorry for the mixup. how are you?
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04:26<urbinek>i need help in iptables configuration, can somebody help me ?
04:27<jm_>!iptables tutorial
04:27<dpkg>rumour has it, iptables tutorial is
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04:29<urbinek>i've saw this but i don't know what to search... on some proum i found simple rules to share network > and it works, byt on Debian (my desktop) ports are also blocked
04:30<jm_>debian doesn't block anything by default
04:30<urbinek>i know, this rule does > and i wan't to change it
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04:32<urbinek>i'm using debian as desktop and lan server, computers in lan doesn't need to have open ports but on debian i need it
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04:32<jm_>there's nothing blocked there
04:32<jm_>ipmasq package makes network sharing easy
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04:34<urbinek>it is blocke wihout rulles it's open
04:34<urbinek>ipmasq, hmm
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04:35<jm_>there must be something else doing it then, not those rules
04:36<urbinek>i've got only those rules
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04:39<urbinek>earlier i've tried firestarter but it was to messed up so i remove and purge him
04:39<jm_>right so that's why it is so, default policy is accept AFAIR
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04:39<urbinek>how can i get rid of it ?
04:40<jm_>I still don't understand what you actually want to do
04:40<jm_>iptables -l will show you current default policy
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04:43<urbinek> so i'm open ?
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04:44<urbinek>then why port 80 is open and f.g. 1216 is not ?
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04:44<urbinek>i need open ports for p2p
04:44<jm_>because nothing is listening on it?
04:45<urbinek>i've not think about it in that way, hmm
04:45<jm_>quick test: nc -l -p 1216
04:47<urbinek>sec brb
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04:48<urbinek>~_~ i've lost connection to home server ;/
04:48<urbinek>but if you say that is open then ok :)
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04:49<urbinek>now i need some minions to restrt server xD
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05:16<laurent>hi, i had some error during installing a package via apt-get install package
05:16<urbinek>what error ?
05:16<laurent>i added some other packageand would like to "reconfigure" the package
05:16<urbinek>dpkh-reconfigure package
05:16<laurent>but now when i do a apt-get install package it states that the package is already installed
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05:18<laurent>I got no output from the dpkg-reconfigure package does it mean that hte package is "properly" installed now?
05:19<azeem>laurent: dpkg -l package | tail -1
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05:20<laurent>ii python-django 1.0.2-1~bpo40+1 A high-level Python Web framework so is it ok? azeem
05:21<urbinek>laurent: check it :)
05:21<azeem>laurent: without you telling us the exact original error, we cannot say
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05:22<goris>hi all
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05:23<laurent>i understand azeem, sorry about that but my term cache is full and the error i can't retreive the error i got. it was a post installation processing error (python one in my case)
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05:24<goris>why the Russian channel, all are silent?
05:24<laurent>urbinek: by check it do you mean try to use the application installed?
05:25<jm_>looks lik enext run was ok, otherwise it wouldn't be in 'ii' state - then again, to really know it one would need to check where it failed etc.
05:25<rettub>hi, is there a way to find out which installed apps will (possible) use the adobes flashplayer (
05:25<urbinek>laurent: yup it the eayest (?) way :P
05:26<petemc>rettub: other than iceweasel, what would you expect to be using it?
05:26<urbinek>easiest *
05:26<rettub>eg. zattoo a Tv player...
05:26<urbinek>petemc konqueror, opera etc
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05:27<rettub>all kind of browsers I think -but what else?
05:27<petemc>nothing that im aware of
05:28<urbinek>rettub: only borwsers
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05:30<rettub>urbinek: nope, i.e. take a look at - 'watch online TV'
05:31<urbinek>rettub: mhm, i've never use this
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05:31<urbinek>urbinek: and what do you exactly want ? check what apps are currently using it ?
05:32<jm_>urbinek has gone mad - talking to himself
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05:32<urbinek>jm_: xD
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05:32*urbinek gone mad
05:33<rettub>the reason for my question is, that I found very old under some /home/$USER/.mozilla and I want to symlinks them via cron to _one_ reacent version
05:33<dgodfather>Hi everyone i have a question it's Debian specific but you guys are very good with system and networking in general and maybe you can help me configure my Debian
05:33<dgodfather>when i run deluge my whole internet experience is damaged.
05:33<jm_>rettub: if you want to catch apps opening particular files, then you'll need to use other stuff to do it
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05:33<dgodfather>i can't even surf the web normally
05:34<dgodfather>i am behind a router for my home network
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05:34<rettub>jm_: any hint?
05:34<slush>dgodfather: set some speed limits
05:34<dgodfather>who can i configure my system and network so i will get good speeds? and that running deluge will not be so slow yet choke my hole internet
05:35<dgodfather>slush, yes but deluge downloads very slow as it is
05:35<urbinek>dgodfather: what is deluge ?
05:35<slush>dgodfather: blame your isp :)
05:35<dgodfather>urbinek, torrent client
05:35<urbinek>dgodfather: use ktorrent
05:35<jm_>rettub: block dump tracing or blktrace in kernel (needs to be enabled), I think inotify can also be used for this
05:35<dgodfather>well i checked a download from an http site in europe and the download speed is just as they say
05:35<dgodfather>1.5 Mb
05:35<slush>dgodfather: and your internet chokes up because your upload
05:36<rettub>I'll take a look...
05:36<slush>not your download
05:36<urbinek>dgodfather: make upload limit ant open connections limit
05:36<dgodfather>urbinek, what is connection liimit?
05:37<urbinek>dgodfather: connection limit is with how manny peers/seed client will connect
05:37<dgodfather>slush, urbinek, but it's slow connection enyway? isn't there a tweak or something? i heard there is something on widows
05:37<slush>dgodfather: see preferences -> bandwith
05:38<dgodfather>slush, in the client itself?
05:38<rettub> due to security reason with that f*ing flashplayer IMHO it would be a good idea to check for it by a daly cronjob, specially for old versions...
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05:38<dgodfather>urbinek, how may is a good settings?
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05:38<urbinek>dgodfather: i don't know id depens on your internet connection
05:39<urbinek>dgodfather: i have 220 global and 100 per torrent
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05:39<dgodfather>urbinek,and for 1.5?
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05:40<dgodfather>urbinek, what's upload slots?
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05:41<urbinek>dgodfather: how many ports are using to upload (i think) set 2 -3
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05:42<dgodfather>urbinek, by ports you mean slots?
05:42<urbinek>dgodfather: wait a sec
05:42<dgodfather>urbinek, OK
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05:44<urbinek>dgodfather: upload slots is amount of connections that you are uploading torrents ( i don't know how to say it right xD )
05:45<dgodfather>urbinek, got you, so i don't want to many of thous?
05:46<dgodfather>urbinek, after all these settings, how do i get my downloads to be faster?
05:46<dgodfather>it's downloading very slowly
05:48<dgodfather>urbinek, brb? what about the encryption settings there?
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05:48<dgodfather>i probably should remove that? or leave it just for handshake?
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05:53<urbinek>dgodfather brb - be right back
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05:53<dgodfather>urbinek, oh, OK :)
05:54<urbinek>dgodfather: if those settings yo should improve you download speed
05:54<dgodfather>2 more questions if you don't mind
05:54<urbinek>dgodfather: encryption is good, you won't see a diffrents
05:54<slush>dgodfather: the speed that you are downloading with, is depending on the speed from who you are downloading from
05:55<dgodfather>and what about the deluge deamon port? i should open that as well?
05:55<urbinek>slush: yup, and from you connection speed and open ports :P
05:55<goodxandros>hahaha yeah your isp controls you bw but you can make ajustment to your moden for more bw
05:56<dgodfather>goodxandros, and how do i do that?
05:56<goodxandros>hack your modem
05:56<urbinek>dgodfather: to be hones i first heard about deluge and i can't tell you yes/no but i think you can :P
05:56<goodxandros>i have a friend who does it
05:57<urbinek>goodxandros: it dosen't work on evry ISP
05:57<goodxandros>he was only getting like 30 kbs now getting 150kbs
05:57<dgodfather>goodxandros, i only get about 30 K now
05:57<goodxandros>well maybe not
05:57<dgodfather>but he isn't here i guess
05:57<goodxandros>no hes in phazenet
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05:58<dgodfather>urbinek, but deluge is like a very well know torrent client i find it weird you have not heard of it before :)
05:58<dgodfather>goodxandros, well in that case he can't help me :)
05:58<goodxandros>there are others in maddshark who do it also that ive befriended
05:59<dgodfather>and i don't even get 30K i have about 15 most of the time
05:59<goodxandros>theres alot of help in this issue just ask someone who knows
05:59<dgodfather>it's killing me
05:59<urbinek>dgodfather: on windows o've using utorrent, on debian kde+ktorrent :P
05:59<goodxandros>i dont need to do it
05:59<dgodfather>goodxandros, thanks anyway
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05:59<goodxandros>so i havent looked for that option
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06:00<goodxandros>i belive you just have to crack your modem and then your all set no matter who your isp is
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06:01<goodxandros>but id be careful lol
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06:01<dgodfather>goodxandros, well i will need to know what configuration to do.
06:01<dgodfather>but i will manage that i guess
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06:03<goodxandros>i could find out
06:03<urbinek> dgodfather, maybe jsut pay more $$ for internet :D?
06:03<goodxandros>ill see if there awake yet
06:03<dgodfather>goodxandros, 10x man
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06:06<goodxandros>naw no one is awake yet ill find out thoe it a easy thing to do i bet
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06:09<urbinek>are some one there are reading Naruto :D?
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06:13<dgodfather_>urbinek, yes i guess it shouldn't be that hard as long as you are in the modem
06:13<dgodfather_>i will do OK 10x
06:15<urbinek>dgodfather: what do you mean by 10x ?
06:16<jm_>thanks ;)
06:16<urbinek>jm_: no problem but why xD ?
06:16<petern>"te" is a vastly different sound from "tha"
06:16<goodxandros>i think you can do a setting on your moden at that speed
06:17<urbinek>aaaaaaaaaaaaa i get it ...
06:19<dgodfather_>can someone translate that little conversation for me please :)
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06:19<goodxandros>whenever i see 24x 48x 4x it implies speed rate to me
06:19<dgodfather_>goodxandros, oh well thanks :)
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06:21<goodxandros>so 10x might be the speed rate of bw seeing that we were chatting about these matters conserning bw speed
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06:22<goodxandros>i dont know how to alowcate such a thing thoe
06:22<goodxandros>never had to
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06:23<dgodfather_>i will see if i can hack my modem and what are the possibilities when inside
06:23<geekie>hai =)
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06:23<goodxandros>prob jut download faster idk
06:23<goodxandros>might set off a red flag to your isp thoe
06:24<goodxandros>so be careful
06:25<goodxandros>myfriend who does it doesnt download alot of stuff
06:25<goodxandros>to hes safe
06:25<arri>hoi all. basic question (i always forget this) - if i have multiple versions of a lib installed, how (which tool) do i configure the default/priorities ?
06:25<goodxandros>i would prob get caught lol
06:26<koollman>arri: looking for update-alternatives ?
06:26<jm_>arri: libs are rather special for this
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06:27<arri>yes, but update-alternatives is what i was looking for (+keep forgetting) .. making a big note of this one :)
06:28<jm_>I don't have a single lib installed relying on that
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06:30<arri>jm_: so what would i be doing wrong? say, when i'm having python 2.5 and 3.0 ?
06:30<jm_>arri: it's ok to use it for python, or other stuff like vi, x-www-browser/window-manager
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06:30<jm_>and so on, just not for libs
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06:32<arri>ah, hmm. ok.
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07:36<ike>hm, amsn broke
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07:44<franki^>hi, umm, i broke gnome :)
07:45<franki^>and, possibly sources.list
07:45<franki^>trying to dist-upgrade
07:45<franki^>i don't suppose anyone could tell me what my sources.list should look like for squeeze/sid?
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07:46<jm_>you shouldn't touch sid if you can't figure out what to put in sources.list
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07:46<franki^>well, i thought that i could figure out what to put in sources.list :/
07:46<disv>don't think you should have squeeze and sid in the same sources
07:46<hans>um, debian lenny does not yet support xen? ( as in the host machine dom0 ???)
07:47<franki^>disv: i thought i was just upgrading to squeeze, but i evidently did something wrong..
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07:47<jm_>!tell hans -about xen
07:47<franki^>and cat /etc/debian_version tells me squeeze/sid.. :s
07:47<geekie>I'm thinking of playing around with debian and thought a netbook would be perfect for this, now my question is, what netbooks do you guys prefer for debian 5?
07:47<shevek>franki^: If you have a line saying "deb unstable main", you should be able to fix things. Replace nl with your country code (probably), and possibly unstable to testing or stable.
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07:48<hans>jm_: i know what xen is.
07:48<jm_>hans: go read it, the link has answers to your questions
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07:50<bl4ckc00k1e>se me ha salido del user haciendo eso
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07:50<jm_>!tell bl4ckc00k1e -about es
07:50<hans>unfortunately, it doesn't mention that xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686 boots and freezes at "xen is relinquishing vga console"
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07:51<franki^>shevek: no, it tells me that i can't reinstall gnome because of unmet dependencies..
07:52<hans>jm_: and some searching online found a comment from guido that says: "
07:52<hans>There is currently no existing 2.6.23/24 xen patch that
07:52<hans>supports dom0
07:52<jm_>hans: lenny has 2.6.26, not 2.6.23/24
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07:52<jm_>hans: #debian-xen is probably a better place to ask about problems, as the web page says
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07:53<franki^>as far as i can tell, my system is working completely fine, but it won't let me install stuff normally, which is why i figured something's wrong with my sources.list but i guess the problem must be elsewhere
07:53<hans>jm_: it would be better if all the members weren't crygenically frozen
07:53<jm_>hans: tough luck
07:53<hans>jm_: indeed
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07:56<bigjocker>!tell bigjocker about es
07:56<bbeta>hi there, i looking for some advice choosing my download manager (cli)
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07:57<bigjocker>bbeta, wget
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07:57<jm_>!tell bigjocker -about selftell
07:58<bigjocker>actually screen+wget
07:58<bigjocker>jm_, cool
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07:59<disv>i use aria2 as cli download tool (espcially for rapidshare downloads)
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08:00<bbeta>disv did you change from wget to aria2
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08:01<disv>no i rarely use wget
08:02<disv>aria2 allows me to use a list to read the urls and to provide a http username and password
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08:03<bbeta>so there are wget, lftp, screen, aria2
08:04<bigjocker>bbeta, screen is a session manager ... it's used to run several sessions
08:04<disv>screen is a tool that allows you to for example ssh to a remote box, start screen, start wget or aria, and disconnect.. screen will create a session so that your download doesn't stop when you disconnect from ssh
08:05<bbeta>oh.... thank you
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08:05<bbeta>didn't know this
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08:05<bbeta>wget can privide http uernames and passwords
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08:07<D6>hi. Is it possible to remove "apt" without asking questions? "apt-get --force-yes -y purge apt" still ask something
08:07<bbeta>wget --http-user=yourlogin --http-password=yourpassword ''
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08:07<petern>remove apt? :o
08:08<urbinek>will apt remove apt O_o?
08:08<disv>when removing apt you'll only be able to install software using dpkg.. and i don't know what package dependencies will do :s
08:08<urbinek>sado maso xD
08:09<D6>I nedd to remove apt because this is debootstrapped system, and will be run on r/o filesystem
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08:09<D6>apt and apitude take ~ 10Mb, so I'd like to remove them :)
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08:12<urbinek>i dont have any idea how to remove apt xD
08:13<bbeta>i don't understand this sentece "Keep in mind that aria2 is more for heavy downloading, and if you want a webspider then wget would be a better choice." Waht is a webspider?
08:14<stew>bbeta: something that recursively follows hrefs
08:15<bbeta>stew: thank you
08:15<D6>Ok, finally "dpkg -P apt aptitude libept0" did it :)
08:16<urbinek>D6: i was about write this for you xD
08:18<bbeta>i think i'll give aria2 and wget a try and compare them by practice
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08:18<bbeta>see how much time they need for the same file from same server
08:18<bbeta>thank you vry much for your advice and help
08:19<urbinek>with g wich program i can up/down clock program 'on fly' i mean, when i'm not using it procesor is downclocked and
08:20<jm_>urbinek: load cpufreq driver called ondemand
08:20<Tekno>I use cpufreq-set
08:20<jm_>you don't need to set it manually
08:21<urbinek>jm_: is he supporting Overclocked cpu's ?
08:21<jm_>urbinek: no
08:21<urbinek>jm_: and what does ?
08:21<jm_>urbinek: nothing hopefully
08:21<urbinek>jm_: T_T
08:22<urbinek>jm_: ok, i'll try but if i don't like it how can i remove all changes ?
08:22<urbinek>apt purge ?
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08:22<jm_>urbinek: unload the driver - it's a kernel module, you don't really have to install anything extra
08:23<urbinek>jm_: modprobe [magick switch] cpufreqd ?
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08:23<jm_>well cpufrequtils are ok to easily look at current frequency etc.
08:23<jm_>urbinek: which cpu is it?
08:24<urbinek>model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5400+
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08:26<jm_>load powernow-k8 driver
08:26<urbinek>how ? modprobe powernow-k8 ?
08:27<urbinek>k, what now ?
08:27<jm_>install cpufrequtils, run cpufreq-info and paste it on a pastebin
08:28<urbinek>here >
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08:29<jm_>cpufreq-set -c 0 -g ondemand ; cpufreq-set -g ondemand
08:29<jm_>just the last command
08:29<urbinek>only cpufreq-set -g ondemand ?
08:29<jm_>yeah I think it should work
08:30<urbinek>it work's :) wil it start with system ?
08:30<urbinek>works *
08:30<jm_>you can set it in /etc/default/cpufrequtils
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08:31<jm_>and put module in /etc/modules
08:31<urbinek>create /etc/default/cpufrequtils if i don't have it ?
08:31<jm_>yeah GOVERNOR=ondemand
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08:32<urbinek>and what with /etc/default/cpufreqd
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08:32<jm_>that's userspace governor - you would want to change GOVERNOR if you will use it
08:32<jm_>decide which one you want to use
08:33<urbinek>i dont understand ^^'
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08:34<jm_>in that case i recommend you set ondemand and uninstall cpufreqd - you can always change it later if you're not happy with its behaviour
08:35<urbinek>so echo "cpufreq-set -g ondemand" > /etc/default/cpufrequtils ; apt-get remove cpufreqd ?
08:35<jm_>no, echo 'GOVERNOR=ondemand' > /etc/default/cpufrequtils
08:35<jm_>ahh you also need to add ENABLE=true to the file
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08:37<urbinek>thats right ?
08:37<urbinek>haruko:~# cat /etc/default/cpufrequtils
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08:38<urbinek>ok, now it will start with system ?
08:39<colin_>hello, i just installed Debian (2.6.18-6-686) on a Dell Poweredge 2550 server, but it looks like I nor the system can control the fan speeds of the machine, does anyone have any solutions for this?
08:39<jm_>yeah it will set the desired values at boot
08:39<colin_>hello, i just installed Debian (2.6.18-6-686) on a Dell Poweredge 2550 server, but it looks like I nor the system can control the fan speeds of the machine, does anyone have any solutions for this?
08:39<colin_>i already installed 'Dell OpenManage Server Administrator' but this only displays the system health and does not control it
08:40<urbinek>jm_: thx :D
08:40<urbinek>jm_: hmm where i can change MHz steps ?
08:41<jm_>urbinek: you can't change those
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08:41<jm_>urbinek: your CPU has shitloads of them, I only have 3 here and 2 at home
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08:42<urbinek>u mean that you have 2-3 steeps ?
08:43<urbinek>hmm, it jumpet from 1000 to 2800Mhz
08:43<urbinek>at once
08:43<urbinek>so i have 2 steps i thik xD
08:43<jm_>yeah, there are some tunables to control it - but if you're not happy with that, you're better off using an userspace governor which usually gives you more control
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08:44<urbinek>for now i'll stay withit
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08:47<urbinek>uhm another hard day in work ^^
08:48<urbinek>watching southpark and seting up debian at home ^^
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08:51<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:51<dr|z3d>!tell colin_ about ask
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08:52<colin_>i already asked the question several times
08:52<dr|z3d>colin_: apt-cache search cpufreq
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08:52<dr|z3d>See what comes up, might be something of use.
08:52<colin_>what is cpufreq?
08:53<jm_>for some motherboards pwmconfig allows fan speed control
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08:53<urbinek>jm_: but only if you got 4pin fan
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08:53<colin_>i think all my fans are 4-pin
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08:54<urbinek>colin_: do you have enabled fan control in bios ?
08:54<jm_>hmm I somehow don't remember ever seeing 4 pin fan connectors on any motherboards I have
08:54<colin_>it does not have the option in the bios
08:54<colin_>note: it's a Dell PowerEdge 2550 Server
08:54<colin_>not a desktop
08:55<urbinek>colin better don't mess with fan on server
08:56<urbinek>jm_: here you go > :P ^^
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08:57<colin_>urbinek: the fans are currently running at HIGH speed +- 11000RPM
08:57<colin_>this is not very power efficient
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08:57<colin_>no need for that much cooling on an idle system
08:58<urbinek>i don't know any softweare solution
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08:59<jm_>urbinek: yup, probably need expensive motherboard, although mine does have some control over its speed
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08:59<urbinek> jm_ mhmmmmm
09:00<colin_>i know HP has a deamon for their servers called something like HPasm, which controls fan speed and cpu throttling on HP servers
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09:01<colin_>but Dell only supports RedHat, so i was hoping one of you might have some experience with Dell machines
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09:01<urbinek>colin_: have you asked Dell for solution ?
09:02<colin_>i'm still waiting for a reply on my e-mail
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09:04<lili>colin_ what do you mean Dell only supports Redhat???
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09:04<colin_>thats the only Linux OS they support officialy
09:04<urbinek>colin_: try instal redhat rpm on debian >
09:04<naghtan>I want to introduce this commands in the grub nosmp acpi=0 noapic debug...
09:05<naghtan>I press e in the grub menu, and introduce these command at last of the second line... it is right?
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09:05<colin_>urbinek: but then i still need some sort of deamon to control fan speeds
09:05<urbinek>colin_: daemon should be in rpm
09:07<lili>which process control fan speed in Debian ??
09:08<colin_>urbinek: ... should be in rpm?????
09:08<colin_>lili: i wish i knew
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09:09<urbinek>colin_: rpm is like big fat cow, it has evrything in it, so i'm guess that it is
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09:09<colin_>isn't .rpm just an extension / filetype ?
09:10<urbinek>colin_: .rmp is package like deb
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09:10<colin_>yes so then i still need to know which package i need
09:10<colin_>which i don't
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09:11<urbinek>colin_: there isn't any info on Dell website ?
09:11<colin_>not that i can't find, no
09:11<urbinek>google ?
09:12<colin_>i tried that, but only found unanswered posts about this
09:12<urbinek>try to find rpm if ther isn't any deb
09:12<lili>naghtan: what do you want to do with you command??
09:13<colin_>Dell does have a section about monitering, but that does just that, monitor, no control whatsoever:
09:13<colin_>i already installed OMSA
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09:14<colin_>but maybe since there is so little Debian support for Dell servers, i should drop Debian and go with RH instead
09:14<urbinek>that would be the easier way
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09:15<colin_>or i could replace all the fans, or go with a tower server instead
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09:15<petemc>plenty of people use debian on dell
09:16<colin_>petemc: ok, who?
09:16<petemc>phil, joe, mark..
09:17<petemc>google use ubuntu on tens of thousands of poweredges
09:17<urbinek>you can always use some rezistors :D
09:17<urbinek>evry child should be able to install them
09:17<colin_>urbinek, no i can't
09:18<colin_>i know how, but the server would go bezerk
09:18<urbinek>why ?
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09:19<urbinek>if there isn't any magick Voltage controll server should work fine
09:19<Lenhix_>Hello, does somebody can explain me the syntax of the colors? I see command prompts with 01;35 and others with 40;31 ... is there any specific order in the colors?
09:20<colin_>why because it wouldnt be able to put the fans into the required speed setting when needed
09:20<colin_>Lenhix_: what colors?
09:20<slush>colin_: lm_sensors has fancontrol, iirc
09:21<colin_>slush: already installed
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09:21<colin_>does nothing to the fan speed though
09:21<petern>what would cause an fs on lvm to not get mounted during boot up?
09:21<Lenhix_>colin_: the colors used in the shell
09:21<Lenhix_>like dircolors -p
09:22<colin_>you have colors in your shell?
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09:23<petemc>colin_: you're sure your server fan speed control?
09:23<urbinek>colin_: are you 1005 sure that this server had dan control ?
09:24<urbinek>so you must for reply from Dell ;/
09:24<colin_>it works fine under w2k3
09:24<colin_>so you must wait? for a reply from Dell? yeah i guess
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09:25<urbinek>wait * ~_~
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09:25<colin_>i can live with some noise from my servers, but this thing really sonds like a jetengine
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09:26<urbinek>it will be bless in summer :P
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09:26<colin_>i don't know, it really is LOUD
09:26<urbinek>but cooooooooold :D
09:26<colin_>it also has 4 Seagate Cheetahs with spin at 15K RPM
09:27<colin_>is it world typo day or something?
09:27<urbinek>ok, i'm going to college, cu
09:28<colin_>have fun
09:28<bgupta>Hi guys, I am wondering if there are any best practices for package doplyment, when it comes to rolling and testing in a dev environment then to a stage environment and then fianlly to prod... I was thinkin maybe to have mutliple debian mirrors all frozen to various "patch levels" (to use an old Unix analogy)
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09:31<Lenhix_>Yep colin_. I just want to understand the syntax of the colors... but I think I already did
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09:55<lili>what is the fumction of exit status in shell program???
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09:56<D6>hi. Are init scripts in Lenny dash-friendly?
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09:56<buffoon_work>lili, you want to see the error code of the command executed? try the variable $? right after executing this command
09:57<buffoon_work>D6, afaik it should... wasn't a release goal of lenny to have dash as default for the init scripts?
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09:58<D6>buffoon_work: Don't know exactly. But about one year ago I heard that Laenny will be shipped with dash as a default shell, but it doesn't.
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10:00<buffoon_work>then lets hope that another guy is here who can tell us. I'm not sure too...
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10:01<stew>D6: although dash might not be the default sh, I don't believe there were known bashisms that were preventing it, so switching it youserlf should be safe
10:02<D6>stew: it's nice, I'll try to completly switch to dash. Thanks.
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10:03<D6>stew: BTW, is there a way to interpret escape sequences in PS1 in dash (as bash does)? I love my colored PS1 :)
10:03<simonrvn>dash works fine as /bin/sh ...
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10:04<D6>It shows "\[\033[0;37m\][\[\033[1;33m\]\u\[\033[0m\]\[\033[0;37m\]:\[\033[0;35m\]\h \[\033[1;36m\]\W\[\033[0m\]\[\033[0;37m\]]$" :((
10:04<stew>D6: oh woah, you probably do not want to use dash as your interactive shell, just as your /bin/sh
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10:04<stew>D6: dash is not really meant to be used interactively, just as a something that can execute things like init scripts with less overhead
10:05<D6>stew: aha... ok, useful information. Thanks.
10:05<simonrvn>you probably want bash, zsh, or such
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10:15<blockowitsch>hello. i'm reconfiguring my apache server. how do i tell apache to ONLY accept the hostname (and not or, etc...)? If someone types instead of, i want apache to redirect to
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10:16<blockowitsch>i've already tried to use ServerName but it doesn't help
10:17<Pryon>or redirect if you have some need for the browser to show just
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10:17<colin_>blockowitsch: i would use .htaccess & rewrite
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10:17<blockowitsch>colin_: for the redirection?
10:17<blockowitsch>and how to disallow other hostnames then and
10:18<blockowitsch>or should i simply redirect everything to
10:18<colin_>don't disallow, just redirect them
10:19<colin_>* ->
10:19<blockowitsch>ok that sounds good, thanks
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10:20<Cadmium01>Hey guys, I have 2 monitors plugged in and both show same (duplicate) how do I configure gnome to display second monitor as a continuation of the first monitor?
10:20<colin_>for more help with servers/apache/php/rewrite/etc you can always take a look at #php ;)
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10:25<benj007>is it possible to boot on my existing debian partition (with a broken grub) with a debian live rescue cd or something ?
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10:27<hans>how can i get apt-get to only download the deb files without installing them
10:28<simonrvn>RTM next time
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10:28<hans>apt-get install blabla -d
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10:28<hans>tried this, still says "The following NEW packages will be installed"
10:28<colin_>apt-get --help
10:28<azeem>hans: options go first
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10:29<hans>colin_: haha, thats really funny. apt.... get help... haha
10:29<simonrvn>he's serious
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10:29<colin_>i know ;)
10:29<colin_>funny and serious even ;)
10:30<BlueG>I keep getting the "Granted permissions without asking for password" message. Where do I configure this behavior if I don't want it to do this anymore, or would like it to cache the password for, eg, only 3 minutes?
10:30<hans>anyways, apt still says it will install the packages, even with "apt-get -d install blabla" or "apt-get install -d blabla"
10:30<azeem>hans: that's expected
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10:31<azeem>logically, it will install them, except that in the end it will abort after download
10:31<hans>azeem: but it gives no indication that -d has had any effect until after you accept with 'y'
10:32<hans>might file as feature request, whatnot
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10:32<azeem>it's probably too much effort to change that
10:33<colin_>thats what she said
10:33<hans>and get the man page updated (rather than assume it is clear on this point and act like a smart ass)
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10:34<benj007>o ive just seen a forum post about to put something like "boot=/dev/sda1" at the debian cd boot prompt to boot on an existing debian partition with a broken grub
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10:35<BlueG>I realize the "Granted permissions without asking for password" message is not an error, I would just like to be able to configure how it handles passwords and permissions. The message doesn't give an indication of how to change it. Actually, that would be a nice feature, just to have the message point to where you can configure it. The message seems only marginally useful if it tells you what is happening, but not how to change it.
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10:36<azeem>BlueG: it's from policykit I think
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10:36<azeem>maybe policykit-gksudo
10:36<benj007>any ideas to do it weel ?
10:37<Cadmium01>Is there a way to switch dual monitor setting from clone to big desctop in OSS drivers?
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10:39<BlueG>azeem: meaning I need to install a separate package to configure it? I assume that alternatively there is probably a configuration file somewhere?
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10:39<Cadmium01>How do you determine video card model?
10:39<azeem>BlueG: meaning you can start researching with those search terms
10:39<azeem>BlueG: I don't think there is anything to configure, dunno
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10:41<mjk_>Cadmium01: "lspci" or "lspci -v" could help.
10:41<Cadmium01>mjk_, thanks
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10:41<Cadmium01>mjk_, do you know if there is a way to configure ati oss drivers to show 2 monitors in big desktop mode NOT close mode?
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10:42<mjk_>Cadmium01: Alas, I don't know.
10:42<mjk_>Cadmium01: But it would be lame if it wasn't possible.
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10:44<BlueG>azeem: surely there would be a way to configure something as important as whether or not to cache the root password... and if someone clicks once to have it remember, there should be a way to "forget" it as well.
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10:44<azeem>BlueG: I missed the root password part
10:44<BlueG>I will start looking, with your suggestion that it is handled by gksudo
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10:44<azeem>BlueG: are you logged in as root?
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10:45<mjk_>Cadmium01: man radeon says "radeon is an Xorg driver for ATI RADEON based video cards. It contains full support for 8, 15, 16 and 24 bit pixel depths, dual-head setup, flat panel, hardware 2D acceleration, hardware 3D acceleration, hardware cursor, XV extension, and the *Xinerama* extension."
10:45<BlueG>azeem: no, but it is remembering the root password and allowing me to run administrative tasks (like synaptic, etc) as root without giving the password
10:45<mjk_>Oh great, he left.
10:45<azeem>BlueG: is your user password the same as your root password?
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11:01<BlueG>azeem: ah-ha, gconf-editor /apps/gksu
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11:02<BlueG>azeem: I do think there should be a simpler and more obvious interface for something that important, though...
11:03<azeem>BlueG: I'm not sure gksu is supposed to be used these days
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11:13<Cadmium01>Can anyone hel me configre X for Dual monitor support?
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11:16<disv>anyone else using kde4.2 from experimental and has issues with amarok (and yes I know it's experimental)
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11:22<BlueG>azeem: do you mean gksu as opposed to gksudo? /apps/gksu/sudo-mode determines whether to use su or sudo as the backend
11:22<BlueG>so it is really for both
11:22<BlueG>It defaults to su, however, not sudo
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11:23<BlueG>which seems sensible to me as su will prompt for the root password, while sudo would fail if the user hasn't been added to sudoers
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11:23<Lenhix>How can I install the Tahoma font in Lenny?
11:24<Lenhix>Can I use the .ttf from Win=
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11:24<Cadmium01>Anyone have a minute to help with Dal monitor setup?
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11:25<Cadmium01>ATI radeon x1300 proprietary drivers installed, catalist center working. but althoght it shows me 2 monitors it does not show them separately
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11:31<fxiny>amphi: i've fixed my awesome configs , no more then 5-6% CPU now . it runs fine . smooth , time to install xmonad :)
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11:50<mammadori_work>is down or messed up?
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11:51<weasel>that would presumably be my bad.
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11:52<weasel>mammadori_work: better now?
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11:53<mammadori_work>weasel: fine now :-)
11:55<mammadori_work>btw I discovered this due to an autobuild installing the evil flashplugin-non-free... it depends on in order to be correctly configured
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11:56<torren123>i need help about iso files
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11:58<mammadori_work>torren123: I need help but I do not want to tell other help for what, I would like to be asked
11:59<enouf>torren123: what help?
11:59<torren123>i need to burn iso file on CD under debian
11:59<torren123>which pakage i need to install
12:00<torren123>without downloading from net
12:00<enouf>ok, so $ wodim -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd -dao driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /path/to/iso
12:00<torren123>i have 3 debian dvd :)
12:00<weasel>mammadori_work: I know. madness.
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12:00<enouf>torren123: for dvds, i use growsiofs (install dvd+rw-tools)
12:01<ike>ok, so i compiled the latest svn/cvs amsn , against tk/tcl 8.5, and its still fucked...
12:01<torren123>if u use $ wodim -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd -dao driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /path/to/iso
12:01<enouf>though, IINM, wodim can burn dvds too
12:01<torren123>i need ti install befor packets?
12:01<ike>and gstreamer and some other thingie for voice chat i might add
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12:02<enouf>wodim should be installed, not sure
12:02<enouf>maybe eve n genisoimage (reeplaces mkisofs)
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12:02<enouf>torren123: do 'whereis wodim'
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12:03<ike>it appears to not be able to find TkCximage
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12:09<torren123>if i try apt-get install *iso
12:09<enouf>torren123: dev=/dev/hdd is my /dev/cdrom, so alter accordingly
12:10<torren123>i want graphic interface
12:10<enouf>no, apt-get install <pkgname>
12:10<enouf>torren123: then use k3b perhaps
12:10<ike>/usr/include/tcl8.5/tk.h:23:3: error: #error Tk 8.5 must be compiled with tcl.h from Tcl 8.5
12:10<enouf>!info k3b lenny
12:10<torren123>yeah but it must be include in the debian dvd installation
12:11<fxiny>i have the info
12:11<dpkg>k3b: (A sophisticated KDE CD burning application), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 796 kB, Installed size: 2328 kB
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12:12<enouf>torren123: do you know about apt-cdrom and apt-zip?
12:12<torren123>i want just a name of pakage wich can burn iso file on cdrom
12:12<torren123>without downloading it from net
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12:14<metalqga>both k3b and gnome-baker are in the cd-set
12:14<thounder>is here anybody who can help me with apache2 ... i want a password secured server and for internal usage it should be free. But all i can find will cause that it is then without password ... at the moment i'm using a setup where internal and external must be authenticated
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12:17<ike> ./configure --with-tk=/usr/share/tcltk/tk8.5/ --with-tcl=/usr/share/tcltk/tcl8.5 should work..
12:17<honschu>HiHo, I just have a question: How to get the newest rc-kernel? I have the sources for, can I just apply the patch for rc6?
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12:19<dpkg>hmm... madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe -r ath5k ; modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
12:20<mxldr>sup beezies, it maximum-leader in the house. how is you debian day going?
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12:20<mxldr>oh, the guy who wrote ReiserFS murdered his mail-order bride.
12:21<amphi>he is yclept Reiser, funnily enough
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12:25<chahibi>I tried to upgrade my debian system to 5.0. But configuring texlive-base-bin freezes the machine.
12:25<chahibi>What log files should I read to track the problem?
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12:27<fxiny>chahibi: follow the procedure /msg dpkg etch->lenny
12:27<chahibi> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
12:27<fxiny>no errors here . a nice upgrade
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12:31<metalqga>nice nick :P
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12:32<slayer>debutant sur debian
12:32<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
12:32<slayer>un site pour personnaliser lxde
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12:33<slayer>cool merci
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13:12<amphi>fxiny: damn action man ;)
13:12<fxiny>amphi: i am a free person :)
13:13<amphi>I hope
13:13<dpkg>i heard qotd91 is <tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone!
13:13<dpkg><jeanpoldeux> How can I know if the cpu of my girlfriend is a 386 or a 586? <greycat> jeanpoldeux: it's proprietary.
13:14<fxiny>amphi: is the second time im told to leave offtopic , you know ? i am laughing :)
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13:15<fxiny>amphi: next i'll joing #offtropic :P
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13:15<fxiny>amphi: i feel much beter here :)
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13:16<fxiny>amphi: you know how i call that ? i call it freenodism :P
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13:17<metalqga>brb fxiny and amphi, thanks for your thoughts
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13:24<Cadmium01>how do you disable randr
13:24<Cadmium01>or how do you increase maximum display resoltion?
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13:26<amphi>Cadmium01: you can use xrandr, or does it not show the res. you want?
13:27<Cadmium01>amphi, it gives me error when I try to set up displays
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13:27<Cadmium01>it ways user set resoltion is smaller than max resolution
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13:27<Cadmium01>amphi, maybe if I can up the resolution it will work?
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13:28<amphi>Cadmium01: perhaps you need a 'virtual' line in your xorg.conf?
13:28<Cadmium01>amphi, do you have an example?
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13:28<Cadmium01>amphi, really strggling with this
13:28<amphi>Cadmium01: I believe you need to set that to the maximum dimensions of both displays together
13:28<chahibi>How can I use tasksel to install packages needed by a certain language?
13:28<Cadmium01>amphi, let me try that
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13:33<Cadmium01>ok, back
13:33<Cadmium01>amphi, adding Modes didnt succeed
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13:37<onaogh>somebody make package of metasploit
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13:56<Cadmium01>Can someone help me setup dual monitors please?
13:56<amphi>Cadmium01: did you read the link cahoot posted?
13:57<Cadmium01>amphi, I just scrolled and fond it
13:57<Cadmium01>will start reading
13:58<amphi>that's what I used, and it works well - xrandr is great
13:58<franki^>does anyone have any idea what i could do about this ?
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14:01<Cadmium01>this is what my reconfigured X conf looks like
14:03<amphi>why have you shown this deeply dull file to me?
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14:04<Cadmium01>amphi, because it's what I have.. after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:04<Cadmium01>it does not do anything else
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14:13<jp>Anyone here
14:13<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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14:13<jp>I cant go inside the ubuntu IRC
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14:14<Torsten_W>that's not the problem of #debian
14:14<jp>i found the installation of Compiz fusion
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14:14<Torsten_W>here is no support for ubuntu
14:14<jp>in debian
14:14<jp>so is not the same?
14:14<jp>thnaks anyway
14:14<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:33<bahuvrihi>Hi! I'm having a problem with KDE on lenny: keyboard layout doesn't change with the Xorg hotkey.
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14:36<tcsetattr>bahuvrihi, what is the "Xorg hotkey"?
14:37<bahuvrihi>The one, that is set in xorg.conf, alt-shift in my case.
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14:37<bahuvrihi>KDE has this option to reset it, using the setxkb utility, but it won't work either.
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14:38<tcsetattr>I don't know anything about that hotkey. but I think you're probably another victim of bug#480021. take a look at and compare your logs to what was reported there.
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14:39<tcsetattr>especially the "(EE) Error compiling keymap (server-0)" part. do you have that in your Xorg.log.0?
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14:41<bahuvrihi>Nope. You see, in a different DE xkb group switching works all right...
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14:44<tcsetattr>oh it's a "group" key. now I sort of know what you mean.
14:44<fxiny>the modifier ? xmodmap
14:44<tcsetattr>it could still be related. what do you get from grep -i xkb /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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14:46<bahuvrihi>I get twicely repeated confirmations of xorg.conf options.
14:47<bahuvrihi>xmodmap says mod1 is alt.
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14:47<tcsetattr>different bug. I give up
14:48<tcsetattr>xkb seems to have a lot of problems in lenny
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14:50<bahuvrihi>Thanks anyway, I'll go look through xkb-related bugs.
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14:51<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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14:56<Cadmium01>Can someone look at my xorg.conf? for some reason, when I go into catalist center it tells me I only have one monitor enabled
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15:03<Cadmium01>If I have a compter with DVI out that is connected to a regular monitor splitter, will it still work?
15:04<Supaplex>regular vs extra large?
15:04<Supaplex>what's a "regular" monitor splitter. be more specific.
15:04<Cadmium01>Supaplex, asking me?
15:04<valdyn>Cadmium01: you are talking about dvi-out cable, not the digital link
15:05<Cadmium01>like one with blue connectors
15:05<valdyn>Cadmium01: useing the vga signal its still the same as a vga cable
15:05<Cadmium01>it's 1 dvi to 2 blue connectors
15:05<Cadmium01>my displays are showing p in clone mode
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15:05<Cadmium01>and I'm unable to set up extended view in catalist
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15:05<Ananth123>monitor splitters are quite risky.. have seen quite a few monitors being fried
15:05<Cadmium01>it tells me I only have one desktop enabled
15:06<Cadmium01>valdyn, are yoou familiar with setting this up properly?
15:06<sepski>Cadmium01, and you want to split one of the cloned singnals into 2 so you can have 3 identical views ?
15:06<valdyn>Cadmium01: i dont really understand your hardware setup
15:06<valdyn>Cadmium01: i think you are just sending the same signal to both displays
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15:07<Cadmium01>sepski, valdyn, I have 2 monitors, that right now show same thing (second one is a clone of first)
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15:07<valdyn>Cadmium01: you have one or two outputs at your gfx card?
15:07<Cadmium01>valdyn, let me check
15:07<sepski>Cadmium01, some cards provide dual screen on one dvi port. so that's not soo uncommon
15:08<Cadmium01>one connector coming out(dvi) from graphics card and is connected to a cale that creats 2 blue connectors
15:08<valdyn>Cadmium01: blue what? vga?
15:08<sepski>that's all fine. and if you connect a regular vga splitter to it you should be able to get 3 (or 4) identical displays.
15:09<Cadmium01>sepski, no, I dont want anything to be connected, 2 is enough
15:09<Cadmium01>just have cloned view, instead want "big monitor" or extended view
15:09<Cadmium01>valdyn, vga right
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15:09<Cadmium01>so mon2 shows same thing as mon1
15:10<Cadmium01>Iw ant to have mon2 e continuation of mon1
15:10<valdyn>Cadmium01: use xrandr to play with dual display, you dont need to mess with xorg.conf if catalyst supports xrandr properly
15:10<sepski>Cadmium01, depends on your card driver and config
15:10<dpkg>i heard xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection;
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15:10<Cadmium01>valdyn, I installed granrd, and it wont alow me to do that
15:10<Cadmium01>clone is selected and extendedis greyd out
15:10<valdyn>Cadmium01: now i already know that nvidia doesnt properly support xrandr 1.2, i dont know about catalyst
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15:11<valdyn>Cadmium01: ok, maybe catalyst does not support the either
15:11<Cadmium01>sepski, ati catalist drivers, x1300 card
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15:11<Cadmium01>valdyn, what do I do then?
15:11<valdyn>Cadmium01: at least the catalyst control center or whatever it is called should see 2 monitors, but it does not?
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15:12<Cadmium01>valdyn, it kind of does, but they appear in same spot, both in one display
15:12<Cadmium01>and one of the dialogies tells me I have only one desktop enabled
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15:12<valdyn>Cadmium01: no idea, i dont know fglrx specialties
15:13<elhobab>Hi every body
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15:14<elhobab>please i want to install english interface and arabic and i dont know how to do??
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15:17<elhobab>please could you help me??
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15:17<dpkg>i guess locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers)
15:18<elhobab>it is graphical methode or not??
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15:18<valdyn>elhobab: does it matter?
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15:18<Cadmium01>finaly ot it to work... the dual monitors
15:18<elhobab>but sorry i didn't understand
15:19<valdyn>elhobab: read what dpkg said
15:19<elhobab>ah ok
15:19<elhobab>i'll try
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15:21<elhobab>waw i've an error message
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15:21<elhobab>debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Ressource temporairement non disponible
15:22<valdyn>elhobab: what did you do?
15:22<valdyn>elhobab: do you understand that error message?
15:22<fgh>hmm, my network manager in gnome (Wicd) says i have 40% signal from my wlan but when i trying to connect i wont get an ip. someone have any ideas?
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15:22<elhobab>no no
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15:22<valdyn>fgh: dhcp over wlan sucks
15:23<dr|z3d>fgh: Set a static ip, or trying the pump command.
15:23<valdyn>fgh: i cant tell you why that is so exactly, but you will be much better off if you use a static ip
15:23<elhobab>i just taped dpkg-reconfigure locales
15:23<dr|z3d>fgh: Also make sure you're running a dhcp client on the host and a dhcp server on the router.
15:23<valdyn>elhobab: you have another one running still
15:24<valdyn>elhobab: like another dpkg or apt-get or aptitude
15:24<elhobab>no no
15:24<valdyn>elhobab: you cant run more than 1 at a time
15:24<valdyn>elhobab: you could also have hard resetted your box while one was running
15:25<elhobab>it may
15:25<fgh>so should i set my ip in wicd or edit configfile manually?
15:25<valdyn>fgh: why would it matter *where* you set it?
15:25<elhobab>valdyn, there is any solution pls
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15:26<Jpdota>valdyn: i've had no problems with dhcp over wlan...
15:26<valdyn>Jpdota: its fine when signal is good or somesuch
15:27<Jpdota>valdyn: hum weird, it shouldn't make too much of a difference, unless you're dropping like 90% of packets lol
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15:27<valdyn>elhobab: run as root: "fuser /var/cache/debconf/config.dat", tell the output
15:28<Jpdota>elhobab has quit :P
15:28<Jpdota>i demand support NOW! :P
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15:29<valdyn>since that thing does not use lock files he actually manually started a program that locked it and does not remember
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15:30<valdyn>Jpdota: i dont understand the wlan issue
15:30<valdyn>Jpdota: i just *see* people having problems using my dhcp
15:30<Jpdota>valdyn: i don't have one
15:31<Jpdota>maybe send more offers?
15:31<valdyn>Jpdota: and bad signal quality, but the quality is still good enough for some web browsing with static ip
15:31<valdyn>Jpdota: yea i think its just udp packets getting lost
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15:31<valdyn>Jpdota: so, how do i send more offers?
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15:32<Jpdota>valdyn: no idea =/ never seen it in the dhcp config, but there must be a setting somewhere right?
15:32<valdyn>Jpdota: i think so
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15:36<valdyn>Jpdota: i see gazillions of options but none changing the actual serving of data
15:36<Jpdota>valdyn: you using dhcpd3 or ???
15:36<valdyn>Jpdota: yes
15:36<Jpdota>hmm alright, going to look at some of the config tools for it, see if they offer a solution
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15:40<Cadmium01>a regular user does not seem to have access to shutdown command, nor does gnomes menu display the link, what needs to be done?
15:41<dr|z3d>Add an applet to the panel.
15:41<valdyn>Cadmium01: how are you logging into gnome?
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15:41<Cadmium01>login and logot is there
15:41<valdyn>Cadmium01: "there" means what?
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15:41<Cadmium01>in System menu of gnome
15:41<Cadmium01>in terminal shutdown is not found
15:42<valdyn>Cadmium01: i asked you how you are logging into gnome
15:42<valdyn>Cadmium01: i *know* what your problem is.
15:42<Cadmium01>valdyn, with login screen
15:42<Cadmium01>using X
15:42<valdyn>Cadmium01: like gdm?
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15:42<valdyn>Cadmium01: add the user to powerdev group iirc
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15:42<valdyn>Cadmium01: shutdown will still not be usable, but the menu will
15:43<Cadmium01>valdyn, sorry for noob question, but can user belong to many groups?
15:43<valdyn>Cadmium01: sure
15:43<valdyn>Cadmium01: you can think of such groups as of capabilites
15:43<Cadmium01>user appears to be powerdev user
15:43<valdyn>Cadmium01: audio group = capability to play audio
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15:43<valdyn>Cadmium01: etc
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15:44<Cadmium01>just checked, user is part of powerdev group
15:44<Cadmium01>still no menu
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15:45<valdyn>Cadmium01: are you actually using debian?
15:45<Cadmium01>valdyn, yes, Lenny
15:46<Cadmium01>valdyn, I ctrl + alt + backspace ed few times, cold that have caused it?
15:46<valdyn>Cadmium01: no
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15:46<Cadmium01>valdyn, maybe menu item is unchecked, where do I edit menu items?
15:46<valdyn>Cadmium01: run alacarte
15:46<Cadmium01>as root>
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15:47<valdyn>Cadmium01: no
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15:47<Cadmium01>valdyn, no such option to check there
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15:49<Cadmium01>I gess restarting wont change anything, now will it>
15:49<valdyn>Cadmium01: no idea
15:49<Cadmium01>gonna try
15:49<valdyn>Cadmium01: i do wonder what you did to remove that button
15:49<Cadmium01>I've been messing with xorg.conf only
15:49<valdyn>Cadmium01: the default install has it
15:49*Cadmium01 rebooting
15:50<valdyn>Cadmium01: maybe you didnt install gnome, but picked special packages only
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15:52<Cadmium01>valdyn, restarted and it's there now
15:52<fgh>hm, now ive setup static ip and wicd says im connected with 65% signal but still cant get pingreply or anything else
15:53<Cadmium01>when I logged ot though, I wasnt in GUI
15:53<Cadmium01>maybe that had something to do with it
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15:53<Cadmium01>maye it was the login manager crashed during xserver restarts'=
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15:55<Jpdota>valdyn: looked through all the options, doesnt seem to be one...maybe it's hardcoded in :(
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16:01<johnfg>hi guys
16:02<johnfg>How can I remove a corrupted directory from a usb hard drive? It's in partition /dev/sda1.
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16:02<metalqga>rm dir as root?
16:02<johnfg>I get the error message: rm: cannot remove `testnfs': Input/output error
16:02<metalqga>or run ckfs.vfat
16:02<dondelelcaro>johnfg: uh... that usually means bad things for your drive
16:02<johnfg>metalqga, Nope, won't work. See above.
16:02<amphi>johnfg: sounds like the drive is dying
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16:03<dondelelcaro>johnfg: back up your data, and then try to repair the filesystem
16:03<johnfg>metalqga, Did you mean fsck?
16:03<metalqga>no, i've got a very old hitachi drive with some bad sectors, badsectors removed the bad ones :P
16:03<metalqga>sorry too much beer tonite :P
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16:03<metalqga>thx johnfg
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16:04<johnfg>Is there a special flavor of fsck for ntfs?
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16:04<amphi>johnfg: afaik, if you get such messages on a modern drive, it means it's run out of spare realloc blocks
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16:04<gotOS>if i get a current install cd will it set me up with lenny?
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16:04<sepski>metalqga, that was true for very old drives. modern drives allready do bad block replacements as part of their lifecycle. and when the OS discover badblocks the disk have found quite many of them allreadt. and it's probably not going to last for long (ofcourse exceptions exsists)
16:05<sepski>gotOS, yes
16:05<gotOS>are all the kinks ironed out of lenny yet?
16:05<johnfg>This is an <almost> brand new seagate freeagent pro, 500gb.
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16:06<sepski>all ? ofcourse not there are allways bugs in software. but lenny is stable and hence i'd trust it further then any other distro you'd throw money after
16:06<gotOS>and what kernel does lenny use?
16:06<sepski> afaik 2.6.26+17
16:07<sepski> would tell you a proper answer
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16:07<gotOS>do you remember what etch-half used?
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16:07<themill>judd, kernels
16:07<themill>come back judd!?
16:08<themill>[21:08] <judd> Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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16:08<t_>dpkg, rice
16:08<dpkg>rice is probably good for you
16:08<burnclouds>Hey all
16:09<burnclouds>I have a debian-testing box runnig the 686 kernel
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16:09<gotOS>when i tried to use etchnhalf my fs would not mount. it seems 2.2.24 did not support booting an encrypted lvm. anyone know if this has been solved in 2.2.26?
16:10<burnclouds>I recently added 2 Gigs of ram giving a total of 6G. I need to run a 32 bit environment, So I used apt-get install to add the bigmem kernel. Now all my kernel 686-bigmem and 686 give me a grub error 28 "item could not fit into memory" any Ideas?
16:11<metalqga>keine ideas
16:11<dondelelcaro>burnclouds: bigmem is for >> 4G.
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16:11<dondelelcaro>burnclouds: just use your old kernel, which supports up to 4G.
16:11<burnclouds>correct I have 6G
16:11<bzed>burnclouds: give the amd64 kernel a try
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16:12<burnclouds>I did grub thows error 28
16:12<gotOS>dondelelcaro: know anything about encrypted lvms?
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16:12<dondelelcaro>burnclouds: if you're running amd64, you want the amd64 kernel. The only real reason to use the bigmem kernel is if you have substantially more than 4G; the overhead for it is substantial
16:12<burnclouds>I have tried 686, 686-bigmem and amd64 all three thow grub error 28
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16:13<burnclouds>I'd be happy just to get back to the 686 kernel
16:13<dondelelcaro>burnclouds: the grub error is something separate, and indicates that it can't fit something into memory
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16:13<burnclouds>ok how do I fix the grub error?
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16:13<themill>!wb judd
16:13<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! judd has returned!
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16:18<burnclouds>how do i fix a grub error 28
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16:20<burnclouds>any one?
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16:26<midas>hi, i have the following setup: adaptec 1420A 4 port sata controller using sata_mv module and a highpoint rr2220 controller that _cant_ use the sata_mv module altho it tried to. have compiled the drivers for the highpoint, but need to load the sata_mv for the adaptec. Is there some way to load a module for 1 device only?
16:26<midas>and im using debian etch.
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16:30<valdyn>midas: why cant it run both devices?
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16:31<midas>because the rr2220 borks on the sata_mv module, it seems it's something with the 8 port controller and sata_mv
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16:31<valdyn>midas: which driver is it using then?
16:31<midas>the highpoint rr220x driver provided by highpoint
16:31<valdyn>midas: what if you load the highpoint driver first?
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16:32<midas>how do i do that? im not that familliar in modules + kernel
16:32<valdyn>midas: add it to /etc/modules
16:33<midas>i have
16:33<valdyn>midas: that file is evaluated before driver automagic
16:33<valdyn>midas: err
16:33<valdyn>midas: is the system root on a seperate controller?
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16:33<midas>bootdisk is a simple ide drive
16:33<valdyn>midas: so do this manually first, remove both, then modprobe in order
16:34<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist'.
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16:34<midas>first blacklist them and then add them?
16:34<valdyn>midas: no
16:35<valdyn>midas: we can figure this out later, AFTER you tested it
16:35<valdyn>midas: so remove both, load in order, see if that works
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16:35<midas>what do you mean by remove? remove from /etc/modules?
16:35<valdyn>midas: i mean modprobe -r
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16:36<valdyn>midas: it might be that the best solution is to use a somewhat new kernel
16:36<valdyn>midas: which one are you running? 2.6.18?
16:36<midas>just a sec, had to pull the highpoint from the machine first so it would boot with the sata_mv driver loaded, gonna plug it in
16:36<midas>from backports
16:37<midas>in 2.6.18 sata_mv had more bugs
16:37<valdyn>midas: you should file a kernel bug, as this is most likely trivial to fix
16:37<valdyn>midas: now lets see what loading in order helps..
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16:37<midas>just a sec, have to plug the card
16:37<midas>and she isnt that quick
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16:39<midas>okay booting again valdyn
16:39<barnes>is lenny ext4 patched to work without ext4dev?
16:39<valdyn>barnes: yes
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16:40<valdyn>barnes: whatever that means
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16:40<midas>valdyn: just a sidenote on ext4, i had to mount them with ext4dev even when i had created it with mkfs.ext4
16:40<valdyn>midas: lenny doesnt ship ext4
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16:41<valdyn>barnes: lennys kernel just has ext4dev, not ext4 though
16:42<Tekno>.28 has ext4
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16:42<midas>woo, valdyn i think removing them already did the trick
16:42<barnes>valdyn ok
16:42<valdyn>midas: uh?
16:42<midas>no nevermind
16:42<midas>sata_mv needs to be loaded
16:42<midas>first 8 already work
16:43<barnes>Tekno aint it in .27 and btrfs in .28?
16:43<valdyn>its both 28
16:43<midas>ok valdyn, i did modprobe hptmv6, which is the highpoint card, then modprobe sata_mv
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16:44<midas>ends up in a kernel panic.
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16:44<Tekno>barnes: .28 has stable ext4
16:44<Tekno>not ext4dev
16:44<elhobab>hi valdyn do you still here??
16:44<valdyn>midas: did i understand this right that you already tried not loading hptmv6 at all and only loading sata_mv?
16:44<valdyn>elhobab: yes
16:45<elhobab>sorry i was busy
16:45<midas>valdyn: in previous attempts, yes
16:45<midas>just now i tried loading them both
16:45<metalqga>sepski: so new dives won't reallocate bad sectors with badsectors?
16:45<elhobab>i reboot pc and all is fine
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16:46<valdyn>midas: i would try the sid kernel
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16:46<midas>is that a good idea with debian etch?
16:46<elhobab>valdyn, i taped dpkg-reconfigure locales
16:46<valdyn>midas: with the goal of not using hpt crap
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16:46<userme>where can i get an iso for etch?
16:46<valdyn>elhobab: you have another program running
16:46<elhobab>sorry i don't know how to choose desired language
16:47<elhobab>no it's okay now :)
16:47<valdyn>elhobab: ok
16:47<userme>are they still available?
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16:47<valdyn>elhobab: so what can possibly be the problem?
16:47<userme>and when i'm looking at my sources.list and i want to keep etch, what do i put in place of lenny? just etch?
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16:47<trooper>hi, just a question, if somebody knows... when be squeeze available in the ftp servers?
16:47<elhobab>any idea i rebooted pc and all is fine know
16:47<valdyn>midas: the 2nd probability would be patching one of both drivers, i cant do that for you
16:47<midas>userme: debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso should hit you up with something on google
16:48<elhobab>i said: in the shell .. dpkg-reconfigure locales
16:48<valdyn>elhobab: yes, so?
16:48<elhobab>a list of languages is appeared i dont know how to choose the desired language
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16:49<Rainga>does anyone know if the version 5.0 supports this mainboard ? cuz i tried ubuntu ant it wont work...
16:49<valdyn>elhobab: with space key
16:49<trooper>hi, just a question, if somebody knows... when be squeeze available in the ftp servers? (sorry fot the english)
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16:49<valdyn>Rainga: look it up yourself at:
16:49<trooper>hi, just a question, if somebody knows... when be squeeze available in the ftp servers? (sorry for** the english)
16:49<dondelelcaro>trooper: it's already there
16:49<valdyn>!which driver
16:49<dpkg>hmm... driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into
16:49<elhobab>ok thanks .. thank you very much:)
16:49<valdyn>Rainga: ^^
16:49<trooper>yes?,, because i didnt see it
16:49<Rainga>yeah ?
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16:49<midas>valdyn: sid is testing now?
16:49<dondelelcaro>trooper: for example
16:50<Rainga>!which driver
16:50<dpkg>driver locator is, like, To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into
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16:50<midas>(for my apt sources)
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16:50<elhobab>valdyn, it's okay ;) thank you very much :)
16:51<valdyn>midas: sid is sid is unstable
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16:51<elhobab>valdyn, and sorry for my stupid question it's my first week with debian lenny :)
16:51<valdyn>midas: apt source can reference release stages OR codenames
16:51<midas>ah okay
16:51<valdyn>elhobab: not a problem, welcome
16:52<elhobab>i'll tray my new interface and come back:)
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16:52<trooper>dondelelcaro thanks you.. i only search in, and te lastest updates in the server was in 12-Feb-2009 (not for stable versions)
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16:53<Rainga>valdyn: i 've to say currently i am using windows ... so how can i run 'lspci -n' ?
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16:54<valdyn>Rainga: boot a livecd
16:54<trooper>somebody try squeeze with kde4.2 ?
16:55<valdyn>Rainga: or just try installing debian, not like thats alot more effort
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16:55<midas>probably even faster than starting a live cd
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16:55<midas>netinst with nothing on it. it's a breeze to install
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16:58<Rainga>valdyn: i checked the hardware database and found a mainboard thats nearly the same thank you ;)
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16:59<trooper>i can't find squeeze images...
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16:59<upof88>i'm a total noob to xubuntu and i need help with my usb mouse. am i in the right place?
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17:00<amphi>upof88: no ;)
17:00<amphi>upof88: try #ubuntu on perhaps
17:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:00<upof88>ok thanks amphi
17:01<elhobab>valdyn, i'm here again but.. sorry it doesn't work
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17:03<elhobab>whene i login with english, an error appear: english utf8 doesn't exist. and it's login with french interface
17:04<valdyn>elhobab: theres a current locales, check the LANG variable, and theres generated locales, all of which can be currently used
17:05<valdyn>elhobab: so en_EN.UTF-8 was not generated -> you did not select it in dpkg-reconfigure locales
17:06<valdyn>elhobab: french appearantly was the default system locale when gdm was started
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17:08<elhobab>valdyn, i selected it
17:08<beezap>could anyone here help me solve a little issue with a live toram issue?
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17:09<elhobab>valdyn, i'll do it again and come back.. wait plz :)
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17:09<valdyn>elhobab: theres en_US and en_EN
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17:09<userme>if i want to stick with etch what should my sources.list look like?
17:09<valdyn>elhobab: you can also just install locales-all
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17:09<valdyn>userme: it should reference etch
17:10<valdyn>userme: not stable
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17:10<userme>ok. do you know if 2.2.26 supports encrypted lvms? i tried to upgrade to it while i was running etch, but it would not boot my fs
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17:11<userme>or is there any way to find out without upgrading?
17:11<valdyn>userme: /boot being on what?
17:12<valdyn>userme: the kernel has nothing to do with this
17:12<userme>boot being on the same disk and unencrypted. the boot process failed on being unable to locate my lvm
17:12<Jpdota>valdyn: the kernel would need to support the fs
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17:13<valdyn>Jpdota: so? we are not talking on the fs level
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17:13<userme>i was running etch and compiled 2.2.26, but boot failed each time stating lvm could not be located. not sure what it means
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17:13<userme>so i had to revert to 2.2.18
17:13<valdyn>userme: im sure it states something else
17:13<Jpdota>valdyn: well if the kernel can't read /boot, it won't boot
17:13<userme>it could read boot
17:14<userme>it went through half the boot process. then it failed where i usually enter my passphrase
17:14<joss>is there like a way to install single package over apt, when i accidentaly deleted one file and can not find it?
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17:14<joss>package manager would say that package is allready installed all up to date, what to do?
17:14<valdyn>userme: you are using the 2.6.26 backport?
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17:15<attickid>Hello, Ive been using ubuntu for a while and I would likke to move to Debian cause I would like to learn a little bit more about linux, will the change be so shoking for a begginner?
17:15<userme>valdyn: no. this was a while ago but i compiled 2.6.26 i got from
17:15<Jpdota>joss: apt-get install --reinstall package
17:15<valdyn>attickid: you dont need to migrate to debian for this at all
17:15<valdyn>attickid: use ubuntu without using a gui
17:15<valdyn>attickid: i mean, admin the box without usinga gui, thats all
17:16<valdyn>userme: so you really just created a wrongly configured kernel
17:16<midas>valdyn: just a quick question, i found a bug with my highpoint card that when you use more than 4 ports the system gives timeouts. like im having now. Can i apply a patch from over the default sid kernel?
17:16<userme>do you think i left out an encryption option while makeconfigging?
17:16<valdyn>midas: how would i know?
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17:16<valdyn>midas: try and see
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17:16<midas>hehe okay :p
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17:17<valdyn>userme: im not going to debug your kernel config, you can use a debian kernel.
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17:17<Cypriot>hi all
17:17<userme>sorry. i dont know much about installing new kernels.
17:17<userme>i was following a tut i found online
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17:18<Cypriot>anyone using tspc?
17:19<userme>valdyn: what do you mean a debian kernel?
17:19<midas>kernel provided by debian i guess
17:19<attickid>valdyn: thank you. so you say, it wouldnt be much difference to change from ubuntu to debian?
17:19<userme>is 2.6.26 in the debian repos?
17:20<midas>in the backports for etch yes
17:20<userme>might as well just use lenny then, right?
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17:20<midas>i dont know which kernel lenny is shipped with
17:21<userme>dpkg kernels
17:21<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable:, prepatch: 2.6.29-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.29-rc6-git4, 2.4: 2.4.37, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1
17:21<diego>I have a problem ... when I connect my PDA (just to charge) in console mode I keep getting messages of a device being connected
17:21<diego>because it seems
17:21<diego>my PDA changes an address all the time
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17:21<midas>diego: windows mobile?
17:21<userme>diego: man dmesg
17:21<diego>yes, windows mobile
17:21<midas>ifso: disable active sync via usb
17:21<diego>but I just want to charge and disable the annoying messages
17:22<userme>dmesg -n 1
17:22<diego>midas: I will look if I have an option to disable activesync or dmsg -n 1 :) thx
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17:24<joss>jpdota: nice,thx
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17:25<spike>I'm actually under ubuntu but I want to install Debian and I don't know what torrent choose = /
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17:26<jim>hello everybody
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17:27<jim>I just migrated from etch to lenny; I cannot start a psql anymore getting this message : "psql: FATAL: authentification Ident échouée pour l'utilisateur « jim »"
17:27<jim>any clue ?
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17:34<adema>i tried to use a socks v5 proxy with aptitude
17:34<adema>export http_proxy=""
17:34<adema>but it doesn't work :s
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17:45<elhobab>valdyn, :'(
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17:45<adema>oh well
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17:45<adema>there is not support for socks5 proxy
17:46<elhobab>valdyn, it's still the same thing
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17:46<elhobab>i installed all english but it doesn't work
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17:47<elhobab>valdyn, there is any relation with sudoer user??
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18:15<penny>I recently upgraded my Debian server to 4.0 -> 5.0 and recently noticed I get this message when trying to attach to a screen session: "Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 775." - Obviously it's tell me what to do - but I just wanted to double check with others that this won't cause any security issues. Thanks
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18:21<dr|z3d>penny: Just chmod it. Should be fine.
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18:23<penny>thank you
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18:31<tcsetattr>as you're making /var/run/screen group-writable, it's not a bad idea to check the group ownership too. should belong to group utmp
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18:32<penny>drwxr-xr-x 11 root utmp 4096 2009-02-20 16:33 screen
18:32<penny>I'm still unable to attach to my screen sessions
18:33<penny>I set the wrong permissions the first time
18:34<penny>other users can read and execute the different sessions?
18:34<penny>hopefully screen handles all the security around that?
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18:36<dondelelcaro>screen should be g+s utmp
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18:36<dondelelcaro>and /var/run/screen should be g+w
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18:44<penny>in /usr/bin/:
18:44<penny>-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 328448 2008-06-12 16:36 screen
18:44<penny>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6844 2008-04-15 17:18 screendump
18:45<penny>'/var/run/screen' (directory):
18:45<penny>drwxrwxr-x 11 root utmp 4096 2009-02-20 16:33 screen
18:45<tcsetattr>those are correct
18:45<penny>thanks very much for the help
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18:45<penny>I was just worried about some of my users on the box
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18:46<penny>didn't want them hijacking my screen sessions or what not
18:46<penny>appreciate the assistance everyone
18:46<tcsetattr>the +s bit gives /usr/bin/screen access to the +w directory no matter who runs it. that way people get the access they need when they run screen, and they can't mess with the directory using any other programs
18:47<tcsetattr>you'd have loved screen when it was setuid root :)
18:48<penny>haha, is that risky or no?
18:48<penny>I just worry about certain things
18:48<penny>I haven't been doing too much work with Linux lately
18:48<penny>and if I don't know 100% what's going on
18:48<penny>I get paranoid and worry about it
18:50<tcsetattr>security holes in screen are pretty rare. and group utmp doesn't have a lot of special abilities, even if someone did find a way to break into it.
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18:54<penny>I appreciate your help man
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19:07<calen>whats up
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19:18<vinicius>how can i test the tv output of a card?
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19:21<hypyrbole>Quickie: am i right in thinking there is now no need to add the non-us repos for debian?
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19:21<hypyrbole>according to there is no need to after Debian 3.1
19:21<hypyrbole>but the README at each of the mirrors listed on the page don't say that
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19:30<elad>How do I install and run my own SMTP server?
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19:31<dr|zed>apt-cache search smtp server
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19:34<dpkg>somebody said mta was Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>.
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19:40<Rioting_pacifist>how can i check if a filesystem has been remounted ro
19:41<dr|z3d>Rioting_pacifist: Try writing to it :)
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19:43<icmp_request>hello guys! :-) I've compiled the latest kernel with acpi support as module, and everything works but the power button (it doesn't turn off when pressed but doesn't begin the shutdown process)
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19:45<Rioting_pacifist>ok i was hopping for something abit nicer, and is there a way to remount a drive rw (like / for example)
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19:49<Rioting_pacifist>disregard that I... found man mount
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20:57<Ouroboros>anyone ever get this message from openssl md5: (lock_dbg_cb): (lock_dbg_cb): already locked (mode=9, type=1)... seems to happen deterministally for certain files
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21:27<optimize-Debian>hey guys, are u ok? How can i edit what modules to load during the boot?
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21:28<kevc>edit /etc/modules
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21:29<optimize-Debian>ok, ty
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21:32<qwerty>alguien me enseña?
21:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:33<cttsai>Hi, I want to adopt an orphaned package, and I have retitled the bug. How can I make that package on "Packages currently being adopted" list ?
21:33<qwerty>alguien me ayuda
21:33<abrotman>qwerty: #debian-es
21:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:34<qwerty>hay alguien que pueda ayudarme
21:34<rogerioadris>o que quieres ?
21:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:35<abrotman>english only here
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21:35<rogerioadris>debian Brasil ?
21:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:35<rogerioadris>canal ?
21:36<burnclouds>I have a Squeeze box with the 686 kernel. I'd like to swith to the amd64 kernel. can I just install the linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 package? or is it far more complex?
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21:36<qwerty>sois maravillosos seres debian
21:36<penpen>burnclouds: no, because your userspace apps would be compiled for 32bit
21:36<abrotman>burnclouds: aptitude install linux-image-amd64
21:36<stew>burnclouds: yes, it is that simple
21:36<penpen>it is?
21:37<abrotman>yes it is
21:37<abrotman>you can have a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland
21:37<penpen>i didnt know that :)
21:37<qwerty>estoy orglloso de vosotros y de mi como hombre
21:37<burnclouds>if I reinstall with the 64bit installer how is the multimedia support?
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21:38<abrotman>burnclouds: depends what you mean by multimedia i suppose
21:38<stew>qwerty: i've silenced you in this channel, as it is an english only channel, go to #debian-es if you want to speak spanish
21:38<burnclouds>flash, divix, mpeg etc..
21:38<Jpdota>qwerty: va a #debian-es
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21:39<optimize-Debian>stew , querty is praising us
21:39<stew>optimize-Debian: not anymore
21:39<burnclouds>Are there currently any large gaps in multimedia support in 64bit debian?
21:40<Jpdota>burnclouds: no
21:40<Jpdota>burnclouds: 64-bit is just as good as 32-bit
21:40<stew>there are gaps in both
21:40<Jpdota>i'm using it as we speak, and all my anime works fine :P
21:41<Jpdota>what are these gaps you speak of stew?
21:41<ranix>there were recently minor problems with third party software in 64 bit
21:41<ranix>like flash and adobe reader
21:41<optimize-Debian>hey guys, anyone knows what the module sbp2 does?
21:41<stew>Jpdota: most people would expect things like mp3 encoders and the ability to play things like divx
21:41<Jpdota>flash works fine for me, though you have to get it through experimental
21:41<stew>flash players are in debian for both
21:41<Jpdota>stew: they do....
21:41<ranix>but, if you pay attention, flash and adobe reader always have stupid problems anyway
21:41<stew>Jpdota: they do what?
21:41<Jpdota>stew: they do work
21:41<ranix>arbitrary code execution being not the least
21:42<stew>Jpdota: there are no such things in debian though
21:42<Jpdota>stew: ok, if you discount non-free -.-
21:42<stew>Jpdota: there are no mp3 encoders in non-free either
21:43<k6orj>stew trying to configure wpa with wifi-radar any sugestions?
21:43<stew>k6orj: sorry, i don't know what that is
21:43<Jpdota>stew: libmp3lame0?
21:44<abrotman>not in debian
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21:44<k6orj>stew ok thanks
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21:44<stew>Jpdota: what abou tit?
21:44<ranix>you said tit
21:44<optimize-Debian>guys, on my /etc/modules there is a loop on starting off all. why?
21:45<kevc>optimize-Debian: 'loop' is probably a module
21:45<tcsetattr>you mean the loopback block device, /dev/loop* ?
21:45<optimize-Debian> my /etc/modules
21:46<Jpdota>hum, well i suppose that's true, but i use debian-multimedia
21:46<burnclouds>I have heard that running the 686 kernel on a 64 bit processor can create a preformance hit. It that true?
21:47<stew>burnclouds: it depends on what you might be doing with it
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21:47<kevc>optimize-Debian: 'loop' isn't a command, it's a module
21:47<stew>burnclouds: but in general, no
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21:47<optimize-Debian>well, module of what?
21:47<Tekno>loopback device
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21:47<stew>optimize-Debian: mounting a file as a filesystem
21:48<Tekno>for example, if you want to mount .ISO, you need "loop" module
21:48<stew>optimize-Debian: like, for instance, if you were to "cp /dev/cdrom /tmp/foo.iso" the loop module would let you mount the /tmp/foo.iso file as if it were an actual cdrom
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21:49<optimize-Debian>but i dont use it...(or i thin idont use)
21:49<Tekno>remove it then
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21:49<Tekno>or leave as it is
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21:51<optimize-Debian>well, 1st time i have installed Debian i think it was faster (2 months ago). But after some changes (modules, etch->lenny->Squeeze) it appears to be a bit slower than before
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21:51<optimize-Debian>what can i do to clean-up my sistem to it become faster
21:52<stew>add more memory
21:52<rogerioadris>help driver Acer CrystalEye webcam
21:52<rogerioadris>notebook acer aspire 4720z
21:52<optimize-Debian>isnot memory problem. i have 2GB, and it uses less than 500MB
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21:53<optimize-Debian>on use, Debian is fast, but on boot and halt it is slow
21:53<Tekno>sysv-rc-conf is a friend
21:53<kapil>rogerioadris: modprobe uvcvideo. apt-get install luvcview.
21:54<stew>optimize-Debian: point the /dev/sh symlink at /bin/dash instead of /bin/bash
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21:54<optimize-Debian>how can it speedup my sistem?
21:54<tcsetattr>the solution to slow boots is don't reboot so much.
21:55<kapil>tcsetattr: indeed. i think this constant rebooting is a hangover from using that other O/S
21:55<dpkg>i heard dash is a <POSIX> compliant shell that is much smaller than bash. It is the shell on the Debian installation floppy, and is useful for checking whether a shell is POSIX compliant. Also, Herbert Xu's forked version of ash. Also xush.
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21:56<stew>optimize-Debian: its much smaller and loads much faster
21:56<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
21:56<Supaplex>19:57:01 up 539 days, 18:58, 4 users, load average: 0.10, 0.17, 0.08
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21:57<snogglethorpe>(are boots slow? on modern hardware they don't seem slow...)
21:57<Supaplex>optimize-Debian: no slow boot problems here. :P
21:57<optimize-Debian>well, when i sleep i use to turnoff computer
21:57<Supaplex>I use s2disk on my laptop for that.
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21:58<optimize-Debian>i too. but after some hibernates it apears to be more slow
21:59<Supaplex>what are you running? do you keep mozilla apps open all the time?
21:59<penpen>optimize-Debian: how much swap have you set up on your partitions?
21:59<optimize-Debian>2GB swap, 2GB ram
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22:00<optimize-Debian>there is a partition for swap
22:00<optimize-Debian>but memory dont apears to be the problem here
22:00<penpen>optimize-Debian: i mostly just wanted to make sure you actually had swap, and not running without it
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22:01<optimize-Debian>well, can be that i use cpufreq to power economy.. that must be why its slower than before
22:02<stew>optimize-Debian: its probably not slower than before
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22:02<optimize-Debian>before it takes 30 seconds to load full Sistem
22:02<optimize-Debian>now its around 1 minute
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22:03<stew>optimize-Debian: take a look at what scripts are starting in /etc/rc2.d and remove software you don't need
22:03<stew>optimize-Debian: or switch to dash
22:03<optimize-Debian>what is difference between dash an bash?
22:04<Supaplex>the spelling. dash is very minimal
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22:05<optimize-Debian>spelling? well i use splashy
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22:09<optimize-Debian>its my /etc/rc2.d :
22:10<optimize-Debian>there is some redundant thinks?
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22:11<optimize-Debian>i think cpudyn, powernowd and cpufreqd are redundant?
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22:14<kapil>you also have cupfrequtils, powersaved ... too many tools trying to do the same thing perhaps
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22:16<optimize-Debian>i can delete some /etc/rc2.d, and it will improve my speed?
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22:17<stew>optimize-Debian: it would imporove your boot up time until you upgraded the software that provided those links, which would cause them to reappear
22:17<stew>optimize-Debian: if you don't want to run the software, just uninstall it
22:17<optimize-Debian>its unistalled
22:17<optimize-Debian>there are some links
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22:18<stew>what links?
22:18<optimize-Debian>no, forget
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22:20<optimize-Debian>some of these softs are unistalled. but links remain here
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22:23<optimize-Debian>ill try restart now,
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22:39<Francisco>Boa noite pessoas
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22:41<Francisco>Tem alguem que fale portugues e possa me explicar por que existem 5 DVDs do debian para download?
22:41<Francisco>Esta certo isso? Sao 5 DVDs para a instalacao completa?
22:41<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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23:46<brandon>anyone know why xchat gnome would stop working?
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23:47<brandon>xchat gnome just stopped working anyone know why
23:47<brandon>that could happen?
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23:50<brandon>you guys are a real help
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