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00:32<nono>i m french
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00:34<blarson>!tell nono about fr
00:34<nono>it's about debian live
00:34<nono>all arch
00:35<blarson>You can ask about debian in english here
00:35<nono>with lamp
00:35<nono>and ftp..
00:35<blarson>!tell nono about enter
00:35<nono>i don't understand.
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00:36<blarson>nono: that's ok, I don't understand your question.
00:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
00:38<Lance4>I noticed that when I press the power button or click the system tab, it dosen't give me a power off option
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00:39<Lance4>anyone know why?
00:39<nEtZaRiM>I could use some help with Doing and "Elaborate Partition" is any here that are willing to assist and help cause Gparted don't seem to want to let me accomplish this
00:39<nono> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with debian live usb; I'm running Debian version etch. when I try to do debianlive all arch persistent with lamp and ftp I get the following output.... I expected it to do that for my family and my friends" Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an an
00:39<nono>swer, ask later or ask
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00:41<blarson>nEtZaRiM: No clue what you mean by Elaborate Partition.
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00:41<nEtZaRiM>Blarson this is what I mean:
00:42<nEtZaRiM>If you look at that article real quick you will see what I'm trying to accomplish
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00:42<nEtZaRiM>"An elaborate scheme "
00:42<nEtZaRiM>Title of the section
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00:43<nono># fdisk -l
00:43<nono>for gparted..
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00:44<blarson>nEtZaRiM: Gui tools frequently limit what you can do. I recomend using cfdisk or fdisk, combined with mke2fs or other tools.
00:44<nEtZaRiM>really wow. I suck at the command line
00:44<nEtZaRiM>I've used Fdsik before plenty times though
00:44<nEtZaRiM>In WinBloze
00:45<nEtZaRiM>The thing is though I'm working on installing "AntiX" which is based on Debian
00:45<nEtZaRiM>There installer defaults to "Gparted"
00:45<nEtZaRiM>Unless they are already "Set-Up" correctly
00:47<blarson>!tell nEtZaRiM about based on
00:48<nEtZaRiM>Yeah I want to work with "King Debian" but my "skillz" aint honed in enough
00:49<nEtZaRiM>I just can't get it "Customized" to become the "OS I need it to be" cause I still suck at the command line and suck at installing programs on Linux in general
00:50<nono>warning!!! the applet in dashboard ....
00:52<nEtZaRiM>I'm decent at "Installing an OS and Partitioning though" that comes with working with WinBloze and having to do Multiple instals cause it keeps "Messing Up"
00:52<nEtZaRiM>So now I'm DONE with it
00:52<nEtZaRiM>I want antiX on there ONLY
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00:54<nEtZaRiM>The olnly thing tha'ts stopping is, everytime I creat and extended partition after creating the 1st two primary partitions is that Gparted only lets me creat one logical partition within the extended
00:54<nEtZaRiM>Make NO SENSE unless I'm just Totally JACKIN UP
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00:55<nEtZaRiM>Anyone with some info/tips?
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01:35<jrodger>I have loaded the firmware for my wifi card now but still cannot seem to activate it............can anyone point me in the right direction?
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01:36<blarson>jrodger: What wifi card?
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01:36<blarson>jrodger: What version of debian? What kernel?
01:37<jrodger>3945 intel card, Lenny LXDE window manager
01:38<jrodger>don't know how to find kernel version in debian......
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01:38<blarson>jrodger: uname -a
01:38<blarson>!tell jrodger about iwl3945
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01:39<harfooz>hi folks -- have a fresh install of Lenny and problems associated with flash from the multimedia repo. Version 10 is supposedly installed, however, iceweasel's about:plugins show Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25 installed. Can't get several sites to see that I have flash installed.
01:40<jrodger>I have the firmware for iwlwifi, but cannot activate the card.......
01:41<blarson>jrodger: What does "modprobe iwl3945" as root say?
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01:45<jrodger>dpkg: the moron #1 is a great way to keep people trying to use a distro, that kind of attitude is why Steve Ballmer is such an arsehole and why Micro$oft are flailing so badly!
01:45<dpkg>okay, jrodger
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01:51<jrodger>modprobe iwlwifi says that module not found
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01:54<blarson>jrodger: So install it. See the message dpkg sent you.
01:55<blarson>jrodger: You want iwl3945, not iwlwifi.
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02:00<nono>how to create a bootable debian live usb disk all arch persistent with lamp?
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02:03<nono>apt-get install bootable debian live usb disk all arch persistent with lamp!!!
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02:10<nono>i tried that
02:10<nono>but with all arch...
02:10<jrodger>the message from dpkg? you mean before or after he/she called me moron#1?
02:11<Borgon>hello i got a hp dv4 laptop that constantly over heats... can i place it over a bucket of ice without it messing up? maybe the moisture from the evaporating ice?
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02:13<nono>thanks cahoot.
02:14<nono>the matter is : all arch+persistent+usb dik+lamp...
02:15<nono>am i crazy??
02:17<nono>i have to work...
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02:29<nono>how to: lenny debianlive+all arch+persistent+usb disk+lamp...??!!
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03:06<Gun_Smoke>nono, you want a repository on a dist?
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03:08<nono>it's not important for me
03:08<nono>only all arch+live+lamp
03:10<cahoot>you really mean all 12 or so (whatever debian offers) architectures?
03:11*blarson doubts s390 can boot from usb
03:13<nono>this iso
03:13<nono>with lamp
03:14<Twister>hey all. If i slipstream a file into the / in initrd.gz file then create a new iso with that file. Where can I find the file i put there?
03:14<Twister>like say for example i unzipped initrd.gz to a directory, copied a file to the root of that directory then zipped it back up into initrd.gz and made a new iso and installed it
03:15<Twister>btw i got the preseeded install to work so if the people where were here earlier and helped me are still here thank you.
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03:18<petern>you'd, presumably, find it in the initrd
03:18<nono>thanks Twister
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03:36<nono>can i boot on an usb-disk with that:debian-500-amd64-i386-powerpc-netinst.iso in persistent mode??
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03:40<nono>i would like an embed server...with the install possible on boot...
03:40<nono>sorry for my poor language
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03:42<fanto666>Hello, after upgrade to lenny sound stopped working. apps report "cannot find card '0'" but alsa is loaded and e.g. alsamixer sees it
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03:44<fanto666>happends wirh 2.6.26 kernel
03:45<cahoot>fanto666: cat /proc/asound/cards - one and only one?
03:45<fanto666> 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
03:45<cahoot>fanto666: no ~/.asoundrc* present?
03:46<cahoot>fanto666: no difference between root and user?
03:47<fanto666>mpg123 works. privileges in /proc/asound seem to work for anyone
03:47<Supaplex>humm... evdev
03:48<cahoot>fanto666: speaker-test -t wav -c2 as user runs ok?
03:49<cahoot>but alsamixer does?
03:49<fanto666>ehm, no. i checked under root before (probably)
03:50<cahoot>groups <user> lists audio?
03:50<fanto666>no, may this be the problme even when files in /proc/asound are of group audio?
03:50<cahoot>user should be member of audio
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03:53<fanto666>now what to add to /etc/security/group.conf
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04:05<fanto666>that's it, loging vi kdm didn't add me to those groups. Now why, what should be the name in group.conf?
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04:06<simonrvn>did you log out completely? everything?
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04:08<fanto666>terminated my session and logged again. if I put "*" instead of "kdm", it works. /var/log/authpriv reports "kdm" as service
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04:19<fanto666>kdm ; :* ; * ; Al0000-2400 ; floppy,audio,cdrom
04:19<fanto666>remove the space between "kdm" and ";" helped
04:20<fanto666>this works: kdm; :* ; * ; Al0000-2400 ; floppy,audio,cdrom
04:20<Supaplex>I'm curious if kino only uses evdev to control a Sony Network Handycam, or if it can usb stream too.
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04:23<spiders-hp>was is da los
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04:24<simonrvn>they're colons anyway :
04:25<spiders-hp>yes bees
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04:34<Pornix>just wanted to know uname -a does not print "lenny", is there another way to show that info
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04:36<Supaplex>lenny is distro specific, not kernel specific. see /etc/apt/sources.list* or apt-cache policy <some-package>
04:38<petern>/etc/debian_version, but that'll only give you 5.0
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04:38<tange>I am trying to document a GPL violation. For that it would be really helpful if I had a script that gave me the license given a file. E.g: /bin/mv -> coreutils -> GPL v3
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04:39<petern>dpkg -S for the first step
04:39<dpkg>Badgers ate my for the first step!
04:39<tange>I already have the first step
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04:39<tange>It is the second step I find hard
04:40<Ananth123>Pornix: hack the kernel sources from the deb repo ;)
04:40<@Ganneff>this is not possible to do.
04:40<@Ganneff>one binary can be made of dozen of source files, each with different licenses
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04:41<@Ganneff>saying "bin/something is $foo" will require analyzing the whole source. and will most certainly, in many cases, point to a million licenses.
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04:42<Supaplex>weee! dpkg -S copyright | grep share/doc
04:42<Pornix>Ananth123: Yeah thats great idea :-), I am currently running testing/squeeze though
04:42<Supaplex>isn't lenny using a symlink, and the license is its own package or something?
04:42*Supaplex 's taking some sweet time before upgrading to stable.
04:43<Supaplex><<-- lazy
04:43<Ananth123>Pornix: plus you also get bragging rights... i have written several patches to the linux kernel ...... hehe
04:44<Ananth123>i mean, you can say...
04:44<tange>I guess the /usr/share/doc/*/copyright will have to do.
04:45<tange>Though I would have loved if I could just run a script and get the license (ie. without having to actually read and interpret the content of the file)
04:45<Pornix>Ananth123: However would this be hard-coded in the kernel sources or should we read the config file from something like /etc/debian_version
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04:47<Pornix>Ananth123: How about a uname -d switch (not taken yet d == distro)
04:47<Pornix>Ananth123: Should also print the distro info when doing uname -a
04:48<Ananth123>why dont you just read /proc/version ?
04:48<Ananth123>cat /proc/version shows distro name
04:48<Ananth123>with version number
04:49<Ananth123>at least for me :)
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04:49<Supaplex>lsb_release -d
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04:54<Pornix>/proc/version is showing (Debian 4.1.2-24) but I am running testing, why not 5.0?
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04:55<Supaplex>gcc 4.1 I assume
04:57<Ananth123>it was compiled with gcc 4.1.2 i think
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04:58*Supaplex wonders if lsb_release -d got overlooked :)
04:58<Ananth123>me too :)
04:58<Ananth123>Pornix: why do you need that info from the kernel ?
04:59<Supaplex>poor kernel has its privacy invaded.
05:01<Pornix>Ananth123, I need it to provide some useful info to meself in my scripts
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05:06<simonrvn>um, it's called *kernel* version... but he/she/it left...
05:07<simonrvn>yes, that part of the strhing is the gcc version
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06:04<midas>is there a way to load 1 module per device?
06:04<midas>and preferrably sort of blacklist the rest for that device
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06:06<dondelelcaro>midas: why bother?
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06:06<midas>dondelelcaro: because my raid array wont work?
06:06<dondelelcaro>midas: what does that have to do with blacklisting modules for the device?
06:07<midas>because my device will disconnect the drives when it loads sata_mv, my second raidcard NEEDS sata_mv
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06:07<midas>hence, a problem.
06:08<dondelelcaro>what device is this? why does it disconnect when you load sata_mv?
06:08<midas>device 1: 02:01.0 SCSI storage controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. MV88SX6081 8-port SATA II PCI-X Controller (rev 07)
06:08<midas> Kernel modules: sata_mv, hptmv6
06:08<midas>it should only use hptmv6
06:08<midas>device 2: 03:01.0 RAID bus controller: Adaptec Serial ATA II RAID 1420SA (rev 01)
06:08<midas>Kernel modules: sata_mv
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06:09<dondelelcaro>uh... so why not just use the sata_mv driver?
06:09<midas>and no, i cant use sata_mv for the first device because of a bug when you attach 4 or more drives
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06:10<midas>patching the bug breaks the second card, so i really need to blacklist modules per device.
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06:11<dondelelcaro>well, it doesn't exist, unless the module specifically has options to limit the hardware that it probes
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06:25<Joel`>are c libraries already pre-installed on lenny?
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06:27<petemc>Joel`: libc6 is
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06:27<Joel`>thanks petemc
06:27<xdanx77>Hello. If i build a debian package with "dpkg-buildpackage" and fakeroot it got the error : fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2.Is there some sort of log where to look this up ? (i.e. build.log) ?
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06:29<xdanx77>it fails at : installing build system files
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06:33<azeem>xdanx77: no, there's no log usually; you should redirect the output (including stderr) to a logfile yourself for inspection
06:33<Joel`>I ran into a small problem.
06:34<Joel`>-bash: ./compile: Permission denied
06:34<Joel`>yet im root
06:34<azeem>Joel`: is it +x?
06:34<xdanx77>azeem : thank you . i will use the famous 2>&1 > file ;)
06:34<azeem>Joel`: and you shouldn't compile as root
06:34<Joel`>no idea azeem this is my first day working with debian
06:34<azeem>Joel`: then why do you compile something?
06:34<xdanx77>Joel : please take a look at the fakeroot command
06:34<Joel`>azeem its for my runescape private server i'm trying to get running on my private server
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06:36<azeem>Joel`: still, compile as user, install as root
06:36<Joel`>it's not really a program that has to be compiled/installed azeem its java files that have to be compiled into class files
06:38<azeem>and you don't want to install them in the file-system?
06:39<Joel`>not really
06:39<Joel`>just need to compile them
06:39<Joel`>i just did apt-get install build-essential
06:39<Joel`>and got 60,3m of packages
06:39<Joel`>might be that
06:41<azeem>might be
06:43<Joel`>azeem i just did chmod +x ./compile
06:43<Joel`>then chmod +x ./run
06:43<Joel`>and i think it worked, is there a way in X to see the active processes?
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06:44<xdanx77>Joel : what does compile contain.Is it a shellscript where javac get's called ?
06:44<azeem>Joel`: top
06:45<xdanx77>Joel : so what fails if you call it ? Have you installed a jdk pacakge (i.e. sun-java6-jdk) ?
06:45<Joel`>yes xdanx77
06:45<Joel`>and i installed all c libs etc
06:45<xdanx77>Joel : please take a look at the "fakeroot" man page or gnu info pake and try to run the script with the fakeroot command if you aren't root
06:46<Joel`>i'm root since i own the vps
06:46<azeem>Joel`: so what's your current problem
06:46<xdanx77>Joel: fakeroot sh ./compile
06:46<Joel`>don't know checking if its working atm
06:46<xdanx77>Joel : you say vps it a openvz instance you are on ?
06:46<azeem>Joel`: well, we can't check for you
06:46<Joel`>1 sec
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06:47<Joel`>yep azeem openvz
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06:48<Joel`>nope not running -.-
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06:49<azeem>Joel`: well, debug it then, dunno
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06:49<azeem>and/or contact the people who supplied that program for suport
06:49<\3TATUK>my system hangs after it says "Power down." after a "shutdown -h now"
06:49<Joel`>azeem im gonna try and do some stuff
06:49<Joel`>hope to get it work
06:49<\3TATUK>(laptop)--any idea?
06:49<Joel`>thanks for ur help
06:50<xdanx77>Joel` : what does exactly fail ?
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06:51<Joel`>xdanx77 to be honest i have no idea about this, im just trying to get this server running so my friends can play on it
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06:52<xdanx77>Joel ` :ok...that's bad .You should contact the support (if you've paid for something like that.) Hope you didn't by a so called root server.Then you're on your ow.
06:52<xdanx77>Jole ` : s/ow/own
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06:52<azeem>are we sure the problem is with root permissions?
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06:53<Joel`>xdanx77 yep im on my own hehe :P also good to learn stuff tho
06:53<azeem>Joel`: inspect the run command and see what it really does, try to add debugging output, check error codes and possibly try to make it more verbose
06:53<azeem>if that fails, try to strace the real executable or somethign
06:53<Joel`>this is basicly the run command
06:53<xdanx77>Joel`: then you should make yourself familar with generall linux basics .Buy a good book for the distro you use and explore,explore,explore....
06:54<azeem>Joel`: pastebin int
06:54<Joel`>its 2 lines :P
06:54<Joel`>cd bin && java -Xmx1024M server
06:54<azeem>Joel`: see whether java has a debug switch or anything
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06:54<azeem>Joel`: also see whether "server" writs log output somewhere
06:55<Joel`>i'll try thanks
06:55<xdanx77>Joel`: as far as i now -Xmx is used for reserving memory for the jvm.I hope your vps has enough. (i.e 1024 Mibibyte)
06:55<xdanx77>Joel' : especially if you're on a OpenVZ System...
06:55<Joel`>my vps has 2048
06:55<Joel`>i think
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06:55<Joel`>2048 yeh
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06:56<xdanx77>Joel : grep -i memtotal /proc/meminfo
06:56<xdanx77>Joel : then you know if you have enough
06:57<xdanx77>Joel : try this -> fakeoot ./compile . What does it says ?
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06:57<Joel`>MemTotal: 2048000 kB
06:57<xdanx77>Joel` : then it's ok. (fakeoot = fakeroot)
06:57<azeem>Joel`: maybe they still kill you off because the overall system's mem is short, dunno
06:57<Joel`>-bash: fakeroot: command not found
06:57<azeem>without further info it's hard to say what goes o
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06:58<xdanx77>Joel : apt-get install fakeroot
06:58<Joel`>xdanx77 just dont apt-get install fakeroot
06:58<Joel`>just done
06:59<Joel`>fakeroot ./compile
06:59<Joel`>Error occurred during initialization of VM
06:59<Joel`>Could not reserve enough space for object heap
06:59<Joel`>Could not create the Java virtual machine.
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06:59<Joel`>-.- weird
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07:06<Joel`>xdanx77 where does debian install when you do the aptitude install
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07:07<xdanx77>Joel: that is generally package depended.What does. You can look this up with $> dpkg -L package-name
07:08<Joel`>k ty
07:08<geekie>I can't find information which install dvd contains what :s
07:09<Joel`>found it xdanx77
07:09<Joel`>ty :P
07:09<Joel`>its in/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-
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07:13<midas>okay, i almost have this figured out, now i need to find out how to switch kernel modules.
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07:13<midas> Kernel driver in use: sata_mv
07:13<midas> Kernel modules: hptmv6
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07:15<geekie>I've been looking trough the website but I really cant see what the dvds contain only see that "its sorted by most popular packages"
07:15<geekie>that doesnt really help
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07:22<valdyn>geekie: why do you care? no internet?
07:22<dpkg>rumour has it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but which is not required for a base install to complete, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image>
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07:23<geekie>valdyn: yeah no internet
07:23<valdyn>geekie: you *need* the first medium ( cd or dvd ) to install
07:23<valdyn>geekie: and you very likely need nothing else but the first dvd
07:23<geekie>I am downloading that one.. :)
07:23<geekie>Aah ok
07:24<geekie>I want gnome on it, is that on the first dvd aswell?
07:24<sepski>!cd content
07:24<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
07:24<valdyn>geekie: sure
07:24<geekie>ah cool thanks :)
07:24<valdyn>geekie: theres a huge amount of packages that has few users, gnome is quite popular
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07:25<geekie>Waiting for my wificard so I can have net on it
07:25<geekie>but thought I would do the install now I'm impatient :P
07:26<beeriz>hello guys
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07:32<geekie>Hai beeriz :)
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07:57<mjk_>Does anyone happen to know how to prevent the kernel from interpreting the random data on my HDD as Atari Hard Disk partition table (AHDI)? I get lots of error messages and want to get rid of them, hopefully without re-compiling the kernel
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08:00<maeltysv>mjk_: tried change type by fdisk? filter logs (sry, dont remember pkg-name)?
08:01<numaan>How do I add language support for my local language in lenny?
08:01<mjk_>maeltysv: Hm, filtering is a nice idea ... the message goes even to the console, I guess I could tell rsyslog to put that into /var/log/messages or similar.
08:02<mjk_>maeltysv: I don't have a partition table, btw., it's just "random data" (well, by a complete coincidence, it /could/ also be encrypted data :-)
08:03<maeltysv>mjk_: console logging can be filtered by /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7
08:03<mjk_>maeltysv: Ah, thank you!
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08:04<numaan>are there any packages I need to install for my local language support?
08:05<mjk_>maeltysv: I just came up with another idea: decr*pt device, save the first 512 bytes, remove encr*ption layer, overwrite the first 512 bytes with different random data, decr*pt again, then restore the saved 512 bytes on the decr*pted device. :-)
08:05<mjk_>numaan: aptitude install locales
08:05<wnd>or if you have the package already installed, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
08:05<mjk_>numaan: Don't know if that is enough.
08:06<wnd>mjk_, if that functionality (read: getting the errors) requires some specific module to be loaded you could try to blacklist it
08:06<numaan>locales is installed but when i try to write in my language fonts are not joining properly its a right to left language
08:06<mjk_>wnd: Ah, also a nice idea ... grepping lsmod now ..
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08:09<maeltysv>mjk_: linux can use hole disk as one and only partition, should it not be possible to give hole disk a type?
08:09<elhobab>Hi i've problem with synaptic .. i couldn't open it
08:09*EmleyMoor thinks "My God, it's full of holes!"
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08:10<EmleyMoor>elhobab: What happened when you tried?
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08:10<dr|z3d>elhobab: try dselect update
08:10<elhobab>whene i tray to do i've an error... E: Error: could not create configuration directory /home/root/.synaptic - mkdir (2 No such file or directory)
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08:10<dr|z3d>Ah, that's a bit more serious.
08:10<dr|z3d>aptitude reinstall synaptic perhaps?
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08:11<elhobab>dr|z3d, i don't understand :s
08:11<maeltysv>mjk_: filling mbr (fist 512 byte) with random data will crash your disk
08:11<elhobab>dr|z3d, sorry
08:11<dr|z3d>elhobab: from a terminal: aptitude reinstall synaptic
08:12<themill>elhobab: /home/root/ looks pretty screwy...
08:12<oipunx>hi, I have sound and it works with mplayer but mp3blaster wont work, it says failed to open sound device
08:12<dr|z3d>Yeah, should be /root
08:12<oipunx>i use alsa
08:12<maeltysv>mjk_: maybe you could use mbr (the package/prg) to skip kernel stuff on disk
08:13<elhobab>themill, dr|z3d, imust reinstall synaptic ??
08:13<dr|z3d>elhobab: Try it.. see if it fixes your issue.
08:14<themill>I doubt it. I suspect a screwy $HOME
08:14<elhobab>dr|z3d, i'll do
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08:15<mjk_>maeltysv: The disk is supposed to look /completely/ random (that's important for encr*ption and other things)
08:15<dr|z3d>themill: Any idea why he's likely to have a fooey root home dir?
08:16<mjk_>maeltysv, wnd: I'm just overwriting the first 512 bytes with new random data (after having saved the decr*pted original data before, of course :-), let's see how this goes ... it seems there is no module for partition detection.
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08:17<lifedog>hello,i am looking for a download software surpported BT,p2p and mutli-thread,any ideas?
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08:18<fxiny>aria2 ?
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08:18<dr|z3d>lifedog: some software suggestions: frostwire nicotine transmission
08:18<elhobab>dr|z3d, themill , it's working thanks.... but i've another question:)
08:18<fxiny>rtorrent here
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08:19<maeltysv>mjk_: which encryption do you use? i am using cryptsetup
08:19<elhobab>i'm new on debian .. i want to be the owner a sudoer user.. how to??
08:19<maeltysv>mjk_: luks
08:19<lifedog>rtorrent?it is good?
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08:20<fxiny>rtorrent is very good , but "download supported p2p multithread" means aria2 , ask for a torrent client
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08:20<maeltysv>mjk_: AGAIN: filling mbr (fist 512 byte) with random data will crash your disk
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08:20<maeltysv>mjk_: i know what i am talking about :(
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08:21<lifedog>thanks,i will search for aria2
08:21<dr|z3d>lifedog: Please talk to me here. I'm recommending the following applications: transmission (bittorrent client). frostwire (limewire client), and nicotine (soulseek p2p network client).
08:21<fxiny>where is he ? mjk !!
08:21<fxiny>lifedog: are you after a torrent client or a downwload app ?
08:22<lifedog>a download app
08:22<maeltysv>in mbr are special bits about geometry of disk
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08:22<mjk_>maeltysv: I'm not using LUKS, as that is a proof that it's encr*pted.
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08:22<mjk_>fxiny: hi! :-)
08:23<fxiny>lifedog: aria2 , snarf , axel
08:23<maeltysv>some bits will deny any reconstruction of mbr without special external hardware
08:23<fxiny>mjk_: :)
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08:23<maeltysv>mjk_: some bits will deny any reconstruction of mbr without special external hardware
08:23<dr|z3d>lifedog: If your repositories have the software, you can install it all at once by typing the following from a terminal: sudo aptitude install frostwire transmission nicotine
08:23<mjk_>maeltysv: There is no MBR on that disk and never will be.
08:24<lifedog>thanks all,there seem to be a lot choices
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08:25<fxiny>installing emacs22 spits a tons of errors , but then emacs22 works , is lenny emacs22 stable or what ?
08:25<maeltysv>mjk_: please tell me how your hardware is able to access disc without mbr ...
08:26<fxiny>"ioio backticks" and such
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08:28<mjk_>maeltysv: The hardware does not care about MBRs or whatever structures on the disk. It reads sectors, that's all. The rest gets interpreted by software. I use cr*ptsetup on a disc with random data on it, run mkfs.ext3 on the decr*pted device, et voila: I have an encr*pted FS. After "cr*ptsetup remove <name of decr*pted device>", there is nothing as random data on the HDD.
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08:28<mjk_>maeltysv: And after another "cryptsetup add ..." (or whatever, can't remember syntax), all your data is accessible again.
08:28<fxiny>right , emacs21 is not removed : gnus depends on it . removing 21 aptitude suggests emacs1-nox . a bit messy ...
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08:36<maeltysv>mjk_: i am a lame greenhorn, maybe i am using wrong phrase, but the bios/disk controller on standart disks must read the first bits (mbr?) to be able to access your crypted data AFTER the first bits.
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08:36<lifedog>dr|z3d: hello,i installed the nicotine,and it seem to register a user first?
08:38<fxiny>maeltysv: why that ? you encrpyt a device not an mbr
08:38<mjk_>maeltysv: No, I'm booting from a USB stick (which is not encr*pted), the rest is done directly by the Linux kernel, which doesn't use the BIOS at all.
08:38<lifedog>dr|z3d: and it said Your IP address has not been retrieved from the server
08:39<mjk_>maeltysv: The MBR is only important for media that should be booted from by the BIOS.
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08:42<dr|z3d>lifedog: You register by just supplying a unqiue user/pass the first time you use it.
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08:43<lifedog>dr|z3d: thanks,it works,i l enjoy it
08:43<maeltysv>fxiny: device = mbr + partition table + data?
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08:45<fxiny>maeltysv: forget the device : cryptsetup <recipe> luksFormat /dev/ice ; cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/ice home ;mkfs.ext3 /dev/mapper/home ,and now you can mount it
08:47<fxiny>maeltysv: recipe --> cryptsetup -y -s 256 -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 luksFormat /dev/ice
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08:48<fxiny>maeltysv: when you are done : cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/ice home ; pass ; ls /dev/mapper ; mount /dev/mapper/home /mnt/point
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08:49<maeltysv>fxiny: shame on me ... once i run dd if=/dev/(u)random of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 and my disk was no longer accesible, and no reconstruction was possible ever.
08:50<fxiny>maeltysv: i use scrub for that
08:50<laurent>i downloaded the installation lenny cd 1
08:50<maeltysv>fxiny: so i learnd differenc between mbr and the rest
08:50<laurent>my machine does not support to boot on cdrom (it is a old one)
08:51<fxiny>laurent: no porbs , can you boot grub ? or : any floppy drive ?
08:51<laurent>i managed to mount the cdrom and i see all the files
08:51<laurent>yes grub
08:51<laurent>how can i launch the install from cli ?
08:52<laurent>the cdrom/install folder is empty :(
08:52<fxiny>laurent: my cd drive died years ago , i do hd install , browse to debian docs for "hd install"
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08:57<stuckey>What's the difference between packages "evince" and "evince-gtk"?
08:58<abrotman>they have descriptiosn i'm sure
08:58<avu>stuckey, apt-cache show can tell you
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08:58<stuckey>avu: It just says that evince-gtk is built without GNOME support... but I don't know what that means.
08:59<dr|z3d>stuckey: The difference will be in the toolkit. GTK is gnome's native toolset, so it probably says the opposite.
08:59<avu>stuckey, well, that it won't have gnome dependencies but will probably be missing some gnome-integration features
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09:00<stuckey>dr|z3d: What do you mean by toolkit?
09:00<geekie>Meep unpleasant suprise
09:00<geekie>freaking machine only had cd and no internet =[
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09:01<avu>stuckey, don't listen to him, both versions use gtk :)
09:02<stuckey>avu: Okay... Sorry but I'm just confused as to what the difference is between the two.
09:02<dr|z3d>stuckey: gtk is gnome's toolkit, qt is kde's. The toolkit determines how the app looks, so you tend to choose apps with your environment's toolkit for preference, for better visual integration.
09:02<avu>stuckey, I just told you
09:02<stuckey>dr|z3d: avu: Thanks
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09:02<abrotman>dr|z3d: that is not true
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09:03<abrotman>dr|z3d: did you even read the package descriptions
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09:03<dr|z3d>abrotman: I was talking in general terms.
09:03<avu>dr|z3d, well, in general terms that don't apply here at all :)
09:03<abrotman>wtf ..
09:03<avu>dr|z3d, as both versions use gtk
09:04<dr|z3d>Yeah, sure, in that respect disregard anything I said. Sorry. *laugh*
09:04<dr|z3d>But in general terms, if the toolkit distinction in a release is between gtk and qt, go for the one that best suits your encironment's toolkit. That's what I wanted to say. :)
09:05<dr|z3d>QT for KDE, GTK for Gnome.
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09:05<fxiny>hmm , you forgot gtk-engines ...
09:05<avu>that would be useful if everyone used either KDE or GNOME. fortunately, there are lots of other options too
09:05<dr|z3d>Sure, of course.
09:06<Joe>Just a question can you get the Time on Xubuntu in 12hrs instead of 24?
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09:06<dr|z3d>Most folk tend to use Gnome, or KDE though.
09:06<laurent>fxiny: grreat link exactling matching my expectation ;)
09:06<avu>Joel`, you're wrong here
09:06<dr|z3d>Joel`: Just edit XFCE's clock settings.
09:06<avu>dr|z3d, don't help people with ubuntu problems here please
09:06<abrotman>Guest81: go to #xubuntu on
09:06<avu>dr|z3d, you're just telling them that it's ok to come here with those
09:07<dr|z3d>It's an Xfce issue, no? Not Ubuntu specific.
09:07<abrotman>dr|z3d: i'm not going to warn you again
09:07<avu>dr|z3d, we can't know that.
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09:07*dr|z3d chuckles.
09:07<abrotman>it's not funny
09:07<dr|z3d>avu: I can know. I use Xfce :)
09:07<fxiny>laurent: debian installs on walking spiders too , i've seen a plug , a real chuncky plug with linux on it , some asian stuff . can'tm remember if is debian-based but i wouldnbt be surprised
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09:09<avu>dr|z3d, that doesn't mean you know how other distributions alter/configure it. and even if you do, it's off-topic here
09:09<dr|z3d>Joel`: Please direct further questions to #xubuntu or #ubuntu on :)
09:09<fxiny>xfce ? lxde is pretty fast but mouse driven , not for me : i'm on awesome moving to xmonad
09:09<dr|z3d>LXDE's ok, but it's a bit visually rough around the edges.
09:10<laurent>do you know if i can find vmlinuz and initrd.gz in the debian installation CD1 ?
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09:12<dr|z3d>avu: Afaik, Xfce's panel clock options are universal and not distro speicific. I'd be interested to hear of a distro that's explictly disabled some of those options. :)
09:12<avu>dr|z3d, that's not the point.
09:12<fxiny>laurent: check this one :
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09:13<laurent>sry i fund it in install.386 folder, thx again fxiny
09:13<fxiny>laurent: np
09:13<avu>dr|z3d, this channel is for debian support not support for stuff from other distributions which you happen to think is or might be the same there as in debian
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09:15<fxiny>avu: unless we flame : bash4.0 vs zsh :P
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09:15<avu>fxiny, heh.
09:16<fxiny>avu: i'm reinstaling zsh , you know ? dzen/xmonad/zsh script :)
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09:38<radcoll>y a quelqu un ?
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09:46<mirak>how can I know the output name for xrandr --addmode ?
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09:48<stuckey>Having trouble opening a .ps file (that I made with iceweasel) in evince-gtk, here's the output from the terminal when I run 'evince *.ps':
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09:52<cahoot>ghostscript is installed?
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09:52<cahoot>gs -v returns GPL Ghostscript 8.62 (2008-02-29) ?
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09:55<stuckey>cahoot: returns command not found
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09:55<cahoot>so install ghostscript
09:58<christoph>anyone an idea how to convert svg into greyscale? the inkscape effect does nothing here
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10:00<christoph>converting *.eps would be fine as well
10:00<abrotman>gimp ?
10:00<abrotman>in inkscape, save it as raster .. then open it in gimp and do what you want ?
10:00<cahoot>IM doesn't manage svg?
10:01<abrotman>baby steps!
10:01<christoph>abrotman, I would like to keep it as an vector graphics
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10:02<abrotman>christoph: in my inkscape .. under Effects->Colors .. i have Greyscale
10:02<christoph>jep but it does nothing
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10:03<abrotman>told me to install python-lxml
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10:04<christoph>which i installed on request
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10:07<js25>who can help me whit java runtime evironement???
10:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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10:12<themill>christoph: it appears to have issues with opacity settings. I found that I had to fiddle the opacity down and then back up to 100% before it handled it OK. I'm guessing that the backend parser that does the greyscale conversion gets confused by the format of something that is sent to it but inkscape corrects that when you change it.
10:12<panfist>last night i built a raid5 array with mdadm. it was working fine last night and it has synced overnight. i just checked it today and mdstat is telling me that one of the drives has failed. how do i find out why? smartmontools tells me that all the drives in my system are healthy
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10:15<christoph>themill, hm how exactly did you do it?
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10:18<themill>christoph: selected an object that hadn't been converted to greyscale in my first attempt, set the opacity to 99% and then back to 100% in the Fill/Stroke options. Then it worked. Looking at the svg, there are some whitespace changes in the attributes when you do that. Someone's parsing the svg in a whitespace sensitive manner when they shouldn't be...
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10:20<christoph>hm ok did not do it for me unfortunately
10:20<themill>oh well... worked for me on the one image I tried it on... was worth a shot
10:21<christoph>jup for sure, thanks anyway :9
10:21<christoph>maybee the parser is week and changeing some other random stuff may work for me
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10:23<themill>christoph: try Edit->Select all in all layers and then do the greyscale converion
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10:24<DanC82>Anyone in?
10:24<themill>(it's still temperamental though)
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10:25<DanC82>Need help with abnormal apache2 access log
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10:25<DanC82>Ive just been looking through my access.log and found three entries from
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10:26<DanC82>The problem is that this is a private testing machine with an obscure URL
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10:26<DanC82>is this a robot if it is accessing phpmyadmin login?
10:26<themill>DanC82: welcome to port scanning...
10:27<DanC82>one off? or shutdown?
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10:27<abrotman>first thing i tried to greyscale worked
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10:29<inntegra>hi good morning 2 u all guys i am new on this system and i dis just install xubuntu intrepid on my office laptop this morning, the thing is that i have a multifunctional canon imageCLASS D340 and want to install it but i cant find anything about it can somebody help me pls ????
10:30<mjk_>Visit #xubuntu
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10:30<christoph>themill, nope unfortunately
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10:30<inntegra>thx i assumed this was xubuntu since is coming as default sorry
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10:32<mjk_>inntegra: No prob. =)
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10:32<inntegra>is this channel the only one i mean xubuntu?? cause is so empty
10:33<inntegra>i am the only one
10:33<inntegra>i dont think i cant get anyhelp in there
10:33<christoph>will go the pixelgraphics route for now
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10:33<mjk_>inntegra: There's #xubuntu, #xubuntu-offtopic and #xubuntu-devel on Freenode, according to
10:33<dr|z3d>inntegra: #xubuntu #ubuntu and #xfce recommended.
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10:34<inntegra>mm is weird cause according to the channel list of this chat theres no xubuntu channel available
10:34<dr|z3d>inntegra: /server
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10:35<mjk_>inntegra: You're on the wrong server.
10:35<mjk_>inntegra: On Freenode #xubuntu, there are 80 nicks =)
10:37<inntegra>well this is the server this xubuntu has as a default so assume there must be something wrong with it since this os brought me here by itself, but how can i change the server in here??
10:37<mjk_>inntegra: /connect (if you're using irssi) or /server (if you're using ircII or another IRC client)
10:38<inntegra>ok thxs
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10:38*themill offers odds that he's using xchat...
10:39<mjk_>Sounds like it has a GUI. Bah. :-)
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10:39<themill>mjk_: known bug:
10:39<bl4ck0n3>hy folks
10:40<bl4ck0n3>anyone can help me ?
10:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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10:42<Woet>16:42:50.647162 IP > UDP, length 15
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10:42<Woet>16:42:50.647206 IP > UDP, length 15
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10:43<Woet>how would I block such packets using iptables for example?
10:43<bl4ck0n3>I have the lastest version of linux gamers ISO, but i wanna run in a pendrive and i cant
10:43<Woet>I tried with -m length --length 15, but that doesn't block them for some reason
10:43<bl4ck0n3>make my pen boot
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11:10<perlsyntax>does anyone know how i can update al the package?
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11:11<abrotman>perlsyntax: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
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11:13<perlsyntax>i did the internet install
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11:13<perlsyntax>abrotman i didn't that and didn't work.
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11:13<abrotman>so what do you want it to do?
11:14<perlsyntax>i not sure i want to get all the new updates
11:14<perlsyntax>is debian .0 is thestable one?
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11:15<perlsyntax>is debian 5.0 the stable one
11:16<perlsyntax>is there any deb links i need to upgrade?
11:16<avu>perlsyntax, if you're still running etch (4.0) and want to upgrade to lenny (5.0), see the topic
11:16<avu>!tell perlsyntax about etch->lenny
11:16<perlsyntax>that what i want to do
11:16<avu>well, read and do what the bot just told you then
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11:27<altona123>hi. can anyone help me with aircrack? it keeps saying my key is A1:23:45:67:81:23:45:67:81:23:45:67:8F although it isnt
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11:28<narada>@altona123 what's the prob?
11:29<altona123>why does aircrack claim that the key is a12345678... ?
11:29<narada>it is HEX ??
11:29<altona123>yes it is
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11:30<narada>sorry, I don´t see the point??
11:31<altona123>those hex numbers do not stand for the right key. i can see that because of the repeatition of the names
11:31<altona123>i want aircrack to get the right key. or maybe not to get any key. that a 12345678 12345678 f looks like an error. why is that?
11:32<narada>aha, tshi I don't know, sorry.. I used AC for long time, and now a few, but I dont know more than normal user..
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11:34<valdyn>altona123: why do you think its the wrong key?
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11:35<narada>yes, I dont get the point, too !!
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11:35<valdyn>altona123: looks like a very common key
11:35<altona123>it is the wrong key
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11:35<valdyn>altona123: how do you know?
11:36<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:36<altona123>because i am using the right key now to be online
11:36<abrotman>avu: he's looking for warez
11:36<avu>abrotman, and the people in #debian-it can probably tell him off for that better than we can ;)
11:36<valdyn>altona123: maybe your real key just isnt shown in hex
11:37<altona123>moreover i dont know how to convert the hex into the password. i tried to «iwconfig wlan0 ssid bla mode managed key a1:23:45....» and iwconfig said «not associated»
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11:38<valdyn>altona123: i cant believe that aircrack would find such a typical key by mistake, the error is most likely you
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11:38<narada>try her
11:39<altona123>so where is the error? i am able to crack the wep key from my old router
11:39<valdyn>altona123: iwconfig shows the key its currently using on that interface
11:39<narada>noo u can make iwconfig ath0 essid XXXX key :s (plus) YOUR KEY for ascii
11:39<narada>sorry wla0 not ath0
11:40<narada>wlan , srupid eeepc keyboard
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11:41<altona123>yes. i normally use that key:s and then the real password. with aircrack i just tried the hex password with key: ...
11:41<altona123>but that password isnt accepted
11:41<narada>NOT :
11:41<narada>just key YOUT KEY
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11:42<altona123>what might the error be=
11:43<narada>ther looks to be some error in the output AC produces, as I assume, I just got something faaairly similar once cracking a very distant router, so we got corrupted packets that AC should refuse; anyway we got always some wrong funny number in the output..
11:45<altona123>i was thinking about whether the problem could be caused by other clients using individual keys
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11:48<narada>no I tink this is not possible at all
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11:48<narada>maybe in case of ARP spoofing??
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11:51<altona123>what is not possible?
11:52<narada>to be be caused by other clients using individual keys
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11:55<client>does anyone have experience installing debian on the acer one?
11:55<EmleyMoor>How do I acquire the key for a release I just updated to? (so that the source is trusted)
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11:56<narada>gpg --import key.asc @Emley
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11:57<EmleyMoor>narada: That imports a key - but how do I get the key to import?
11:58<narada>gpg --keyserver x-hkp://
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11:58<narada>I think
11:58<EmleyMoor>narada: No...
11:58<fxiny>EmleyMoor: debian-archive-keyring_2009.01.31_all.deb ?
11:58<narada>sorry then
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11:59<client>craigevil... i've seen that site. i wanted to know if you had found any huge problems with it... i think i've heard problems with the hibernation settings
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11:59<EmleyMoor>fxiny: If I install that as per any package, should that solve it?
11:59<fxiny>it should
12:00<craigevil>client: sorry no clue i have an Eee, try searching at or
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12:00<EmleyMoor>OK - will try on my VMs...
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12:11<[gloom]>Hi. I would like to contribute to the development of a specific package. What is the protocol to do so? Should I contact by email the mantainer of the package?
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12:11<guybrush->hello guys.
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12:13<guybrush->sorry to interrupt, any one knows why iostat -N print devices as dm-[0123456] instead of the lvm names?
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12:24<toaster>is 2.6.28 in the debian repos?
12:25<magellanino>can i change the color on lxterminal?
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12:29<avu>toaster, nope. the kernel team maintains its own repository with newer versions though
12:30<toaster>avu: the kernel team? are these versions stable? where can i get them?
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12:31<windio00>has anyone tried areca raid controller cards with debian?
12:32<craigevil>windio00: google esx driver
12:32<windio00>craigevil, thanks
12:33<abrotman>avu: i think it made it finally
12:33<craigevil>2.6.28 is in sid
12:34<avu>oh, I just searched for the meta-packages, and those still point to .26, even for sid
12:34<avu>sorry about that
12:34<abrotman>yeah .. and apparently the .26 has been removed from sid
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12:37<EmleyMoor>My machine locked out and is now a bit slow due to a RAID rebuild (!)
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12:42<harfooz>hi folks I am trying to install the nvidia driver using the Debian wiki instructions. When I attempt dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I never get asked about a driver as the instructions say. Any ideas about what that means I should do?
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12:43<abrotman>harfooz: if you're using lenny, it shouldn't do that .. it should be able to figure i tout
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12:44<EmleyMoor>I think there may be a few outstanding problems caused by the crash I had
12:44<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you can avoid rebuild time after a crash with bitmap
12:44<harfooz>I am using a fresh install of lenny, but when I look at xorg.conf there isn't any indication of a module section or a driver section.
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12:45<valdyn>harfooz: so?
12:45<EmleyMoor>valdyn: I will look into that
12:46<harfooz>So the instructions indicate two sections are supposed to be changed in the dpkg-reconfigure. Are the instructions at the Debian wiki incorrect for lenny?
12:46<windio00>does mini-itx have problems with debian ?
12:47<valdyn>harfooz: i have no clue what you are referring to
12:47<windio00>when i googled all it says is there are still some linux issues
12:47<windio00>not very precise . . .
12:48<valdyn>harfooz: now if you pay me i might read the whole thing trying to figure what you mean
12:48<harfooz>When I msg'd dpkg about nvidia, the response said For instructions that should work, see
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12:50<valdyn>harfooz: the debconf way now doesnt do much at all, since X in lenny works via autodetecting everything by default
12:50<xdanx77>Has some one ever rebuild the apache 2 (from deb src ,lenny amd64) and run into "Different modules built into httpd binaries,will not proceed" .It occurs after a dff about the different mpm's.The problem is "mod_log_config" which apears in worker but not in prefork.
12:50<harfooz>'k -- reading forum posts now about this and there are many indications that the autoconfig doesn't work as it should.
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12:51<valdyn>harfooz: so, either it works for you now already without running dpkg-reconfigure blah, or you need to go the manual way
12:51<harfooz>let me try manually adding it. later
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12:51<toaster>valdyn: i was trying to install an nvidia binary and it balked saying that the gcc version that was installed is different from the version that had compiled the kernel. does that mean i need to reinstall the current kernel?
12:52<valdyn>toaster: debians packages dont do that
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12:52<toaster>valdyn: debians packages dont offer 3d graphics
12:52<xdanx77>toaster : are your kernel headers for you current kernel under /usr/src/linux (symlink to version) ?
12:52<toaster>nv and nvidia dont
12:52<valdyn>toaster: you can probably use something like "CC=gcc-4.1 sh nvidia-installer"
12:53<valdyn>toaster: debian has nvidia-glx, thats as 3d as it gets
12:53<toaster>xdanx77: i have nothing in /usr/src
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12:53<toaster>valdyn: i've always used the binaries off the nvidia site
12:54<valdyn>toaster: so read the error message again to see which gcc you need or see the gcc in /proc/version
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12:54<toaster>i believe i upgraded to 4.3 after upgrading the kernel
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12:55<toaster>could i just reinstall the curent kernel?
12:55<valdyn>toaster: thats not relevant
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12:55<valdyn>toaster: i told you what to do
12:55<xdanx77>toaster: if you're not installing the deb package (if you got the nvidia driver from you need the kernel headers for your kernel direclty under /usr/src/linux.I think there is an enviroment variable if they reside under on other place
12:55<valdyn>xdanx77: the problem is not kernel-headers, he had a very specific error message
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12:56<toaster>xdanx77: i usually take care of that when i get to that point in the installation process. it's not even getting that far
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12:56<xdanx77>toaster : the error (not 100%) point to that problem.I ran into the same on my thinkpad laptop (ok,gentoo amd64 ,not debian)
12:57<toaster>that's not the problem.
12:57<toaster>i'm very familiar with that problem though
12:57<valdyn>the error *specifically* points to him using the wrong compiler
12:57<toaster>and know the solution. thank you
12:57<toaster>ok. brb
12:58<xdanx77>toaster : sorry if i understood something wrong..
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13:00<valdyn>xdanx77: debian kernels never are at /usr/src/linux
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13:00<valdyn>xdanx77: er, kernel - headers, or source
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13:02<bremner>is there a nifty way to mount an ext3 file system and remap a specify uid/gid pair (not root)?
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13:03<SnitraM>I've installed 4.0r1 on a old Dell Optiplex GX1. The mouse is not working in X. I've also tried booting Knoppix with the same results. Any ideas?
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13:04<xdanx77>valdyn : ok.,only if you run a non selfbuild deb kernel .
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13:06<valdyn>toaster: so you did actually figure that its gcc-4.1? or did you just copy me?
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13:07<valdyn>toaster: im just asking so i dont tell you to install the wrong package(s)
13:07*SnitraM OMGs!
13:07<SnitraM>Forget my question. The mouse was disabled in BIOS. Duh!
13:09<valdyn>maybe he should use a console irc client in a situateion as his
13:10<fxiny>bremner: somthing like find /dir -uid 1000 | xargs chmod ?
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13:12<bremner>fxiny: err, sure. I guess meant some magic on the fly translation. It's just one hierarchy, so chmod -R works too, but now I have to set it back after
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13:13<fxiny>bremner: -R will change all not just uid 1000
13:13<bremner>fxiny: good point. Basically I have two copies of my home directory, with different uids.
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13:15*bremner remembers how much he hates the UI of unison-gtk
13:15<bremner>can you really not edit a profile in unison-gtk after it is created?
13:16<fxiny>gtk ? a gui ? never use that
13:16<toaster>valdyn: The CC version check failed:
13:16<toaster> The compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.1) does not exactly
13:16<bremner>fair enough. I thought the merging part was easier
13:16<toaster>match the current compiler (gcc 4.3). The Linux 2.6 kernel module loader
13:16<toaster>rejects kernel modules built with a version of gcc that does not exactly match
13:16<toaster>that of the compiler used to build the running kernel.
13:16<toaster> If you know what you are doing and want to ignore the gcc version
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13:17<bremner>[14:16] <toaster> If you know what you are doing :-)
13:17<fxiny>and i don't use unison anymore , i do -avz --delete
13:17<fxiny>rsync -avz --delete
13:17<bremner>fxiny: but I actually, in this one instance, want two way synching
13:17<fxiny>unison then
13:18<bremner>anyway, you can edit the profiles with e.g. vi, but, still...
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13:19<fxiny>bremner: prf files ?
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13:19<bremner>fxiny: them ones, yest
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13:19<t0aster>valdyn: it was 4.1 so you were right after all
13:20<t0aster>still didn't work
13:20<fxiny>bremner: root = /home/dir root = /mnt/point/dir ?
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13:21<fxiny>or root = ssh://remote//home/dir
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13:21<fxiny>i don't use it anymore but was not hard
13:22<t0aster>ok. i'm just going to try nvidia-glx
13:22<bremner>fxiny: It is dead easy, I agree. I was just complaining that if I wanted to use vi, I wouldn't have created the dang files with unison-gtk. Sorry to waste your time
13:23<t0aster>didn't know nvidia-glx offered 3d
13:23<fxiny>bremner: you can write a script unison -batch ...
13:24<fxiny>then you run it , and forget it like me now ;)
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13:26<fxiny>bremner: still have some around, as many line as you want : unison -batch /home/user/dir/ ssh://remotebox//home/ueser/dir/ -force /home/user/dir/
13:27<fxiny>why using a gui when you can use bash ? :)
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13:28<bremner>fxiny: using -force, I agree, but then you might as well use rsync (or mirrordir)
13:28<fxiny>bremner: i use both rsync and mirrordir , yes !
13:29<bremner>fxiny: to be honest, it is exactly the tool I use once a year that a gui is useful for.
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13:29<bremner>fxiny: also, I don't actually know how the merging goes with the command line version, maybe it is nifty
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13:31<fxiny>bremner: i'm moving to lenny , i will use only tiling windodws managers and emacs , org-mode will take care of plans . notes to do and such , i want to downsize everything i can
13:31*bremner is typing this from sid with xmonad :-)
13:31<fxiny>bremner: :))))
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13:31<fxiny>that's the way !
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13:32<hardwire>is there a debian packaging channel?
13:32<fxiny>bremner: have you checked org-mode ?
13:32<bremner>yes, I use org-mode for my agenda and time tracking
13:33<fxiny>bremner: i have no words :)
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13:33<dpkg>it has been said that fudge is not in the repos, because there's no maintainer willing to be a fudge packager.
13:34<fxiny>vanilla fudge ;P
13:34<fxiny>play that :P
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13:35<fxiny>Supaplex : you can't beat me at this things ;P
13:35<laurent>i copied /boot/* onto a second hdd and i dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=512 count=2
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13:35<laurent>when i boot-up the second hdd the display stucks at GRUB
13:36<Supaplex>laurent: why not install it the right way? see the install guide on how to install debian from existing linux systems. it covers grub quite nicely.
13:36<fxiny>bremner: are you using dzen or xmodbar ?
13:37<bremner>fxiny: xmobar
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13:47<laurent>Supaplex: yep, i can't in my border-case :), but i am sure i can install grub onto a slave disk than make it master later. i just do not implement the right way...
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14:03<t0aster>what can i do about broken packages. i want to remove the broken package NOT fix it's dependencies
14:03<fxiny>aptitude purge <brokerilla>
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14:05<t0aster>fxiny and what does 'aptitude -f install' do?
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14:08<fxiny>t0aster: force install . dpkg --configure -a will do with broken packages , aptitude can do it as well
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14:09<fxiny>t0aster: you'd better simulate : aptitude -s purge <packages>
14:09<fxiny>t0aster: same for install
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14:15<t0aster>it was just one package. avahi-daemon and avahi-utils keep trying to install on my system for some reason
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14:15<t0aster>fxiny: i'm not sure why they keep coming back
14:17<edju>trying to uninstall some kde stuff but haven't because an uninstall of kdepim, e.g., will also uninstall kde. must i remove the whole de to get rid of one program?
14:19<EmleyMoor>I have a customised console keymap that works on lenny and squeeze but fails on sid due to violating "explicit keymaps". How do I fix that?
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14:19<fxiny>t0aster: aptitude speaks why , try : aptitude why avahi-daemon
14:20<t0aster>dont see the need for a dns daemon on my system...
14:20<t0aster>-f forces install without dependencies?
14:21<t0aster>i'll use that
14:21<fxiny>t0aster: try aptitude -s purge avahi-daemon
14:21<fxiny>see what happen
14:21<t0aster>it's purged. but it's coming up as a requirement for wine
14:21<t0aster>and i dont want it
14:22<EmleyMoor>wine or avahi-daemon?
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14:22<t0aster>wait. not wine libwine-sane
14:22<fxiny>t0aster: i have an old wine version but no avahi-daemon
14:22<t0aster>i wine Depends libwine-sane (= 1.0.1-1)
14:22<t0aster>i A libwine-sane Depends libsane (>= 1.0.11-3)
14:22<t0aster>i A libsane Recommends avahi-daemon
14:22<EmleyMoor>It's only a recommend
14:23<t0aster>yeah. what's that -R
14:23<t0aster>to skip it?
14:23<fxiny>t0aster: aptitude -R install <norecommended>
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14:25<fxiny>t0aster: i usually let aptitude installing recommended , take xmonad , if you do aptitude -R install xmonad you won't get all packages for editiing your config
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14:25<fxiny>so aptitude does a good job by installing/showinf recommended
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14:25<t0aster>a dns daemon isn't necessary for what i use my system for
14:26<fxiny>you can always run -s and -R after -s
14:26<fxiny>you get more info
14:27<fxiny>recommended are useful , you read and make your decision
14:27<chealer>edju: no
14:27<t0aster>fxiny: unless a dns daemon does something i'm not aware of
14:28<fxiny>t0aster: i don't have it ,. but again say yoyu want be relax while testing new packages , aptitude recommend packages are useful
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14:30<fxiny>the xmonad example is the best i can think of for showing how aptitude recommend packages are useful
14:30<t0aster>nah. if wine really balks i'll just take it out back and put it down
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14:31<fxiny>if you do -R install you must read all docs to know which haskell packages you want for editing xmonad conf
14:31<fxiny>is definetly an option i appreciate
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14:32<t0aster>fxiny: what would a dns daemon running on my system do?
14:32<fxiny>nothing to do with bloathed stuff
14:32<edju>chealer: apt-get purge kdepim --- will remove kde*.
14:32<fxiny>t0aster: i'm not talking about that package i'm saying aptitude gives important informations
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14:33<t0aster>yes it does
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14:33<t0aster>fwiw, this is the only instance where i have required this approach to my situation
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14:35<interbird>Installed compiz on lenny but scrolling a window is very slow; works normal on ubuntu, anyone any idea ?
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14:36<fxiny>t0aster: try this : aptitude -R -s install xmonad and aptitude -s install xmonad . do you think all recommened are useless ? they try editing xmonad conf
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14:36<t0aster>if i had a test system i would but my space is limited right now
14:36<fxiny>if you -R install you must read docs
14:37<fxiny>cause aptitude won't tell you again what is needed . i'm sure there are more examples like this
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14:38<fxiny>so imho telling new users to disable recommended is wrong
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14:39<fxiny>very wrong
14:39<t0aster>i haven't -R installed anything
14:39<dmoerner>then again if you aptitude -r install xmonad right now in sid it will error out...
14:39<t0aster>what is xmonad anyway?
14:40<fxiny>no idea . that could be sid , i've checked it on a 2.5G / partitions -R and no -R
14:40<fxiny>t0aster: xmonad is a tiling window manager
14:40<fxiny>like awesome and wmii
14:42<t0aster>never used either
14:43<amphi>fxiny: I'm back on gorgeous ATM ;)
14:44<amphi>'gorgwous wm' merits a fork (or at least a spork, pace abrotman ;)
14:44<fxiny>amphi: me too : i'm on the largest / now : 4.0G 2.7G 1.1G 71% / . tomorrow i'll do xmonad
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14:44<abrotman>amphi: why i oughtta ...
14:45*amphi hides
14:45<fxiny>amphi: a fork ? why not kde ? with konsole in and off all crappy kids applets and control center ?
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14:45<amphi>fxiny: I joke - just for the ameliorated name
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14:46<amphi>I doubt the author would be willing to change 'awesome wm' to 'gorgeous wm', even if a petition were to be organised
14:46<fxiny>amphi: ;)
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14:47<fxiny>amphi: xmonad has some fine arrows
14:47<t0aster>anyone using an nvidia card?
14:47<fxiny>but gorgeous is easier to install
14:47<amphi>fxiny: I've not tried it yet
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14:47<fxiny>amphi: tons of haskell stuff to install
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14:48<amphi>'xmonad is configured in haskell' - oh noes ;)
14:48<fxiny>amphi: i used two xmonad debian.people packages in etch
14:48<fxiny>amphi: gorgeous was not like is today
14:50<fxiny>amphi: there is a nice zsh script for xmonad and dzen but i will do xmodbar
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14:51<fxiny>amphi: have you checked org-mode ? you vim user ? ;)
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14:53<t0aster>can anyone look at this? i'm trying to install nvidia drivers from the binaries on their site.
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14:54<t0aster>is it possible for me to rebuild the running kernel to fix this problem?
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14:54<t0aster>i mean, if i rebuild the running kernel will it be built with the current version of gcc?
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14:55<Twister>hey all, im trying to preseed lenny, ive got everything except 1 question answered. It is the one that asks if you want to scan any other cd for packages and I cant seem to find that option anywhere in the documentation, does someone happen to know it?
14:56<fxiny>amphi: i'm off . tell enouf to take care
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14:56<The-Swede>Hey all Debian's. COuld anyone perhaps enlight me in the wonderful world of USB topology ? I have multiple units attahced BUT never fysically moved around on the USB ports. I was having a wild idea of using "PLACE:" to determine their uniquness in udev since the devices lacks ID and serial information. ?
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15:07<goemb>i have just installed lenny on my wind board mini server and can't seem to get dma working. it's an ICH7 sata controller and hdparm says "HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" on hdparm -d /dev/sda.
15:08<goemb>any ideas on how to solve this? i already tried a custom kernel and the problem remains the same.
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15:12<t0aster>i dont see headers for my kernel in the repos
15:13<Tekno>what is our kernel then
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15:13<t0aster>the headers available to me are all of the 2.6.26 variety
15:13<t0aster>me? 2.6.28
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15:14<Tekno>if you compiled kernel, you need to compile headers also
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15:15<Tekno>make-kpkg kernel_headers
15:15<Tekno>in kernel source folder
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15:41<valdyn>goemb: leave it as it is, you cant switch dma off on sata
15:42<valdyn>Tekno: except that he already has headers if he compiled the kernel himself
15:42<valdyn>Tekno: ( unless he deleted the source tree )
15:42<goemb>thanks, byebye
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15:43<Tekno>valdyn: just doing make-kpkg kernel_image does not make .deb for headers
15:43<valdyn>Tekno: thats not what i said
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15:43<valdyn>Tekno: headers are referenced by that symlink in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
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15:44<valdyn>Tekno: and that is already correctly pointing at his source tree
15:44<Tekno>it depends
15:44<valdyn>Tekno: on what?
15:44<Tekno>if he just extracted tar from
15:44<Tekno>and compiled it
15:45<valdyn>Tekno: its the same, if he used make-kpkg or not
15:46<Tekno>I needed to make headers .deb to install nvidia drivers properly
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15:46<Tekno>with make-kpkg kernel-headers and then dpkg -i headers.deb
15:46<valdyn>Tekno: that only if you moved the source you built the image
15:46<valdyn>Tekno: that only if you moved the source you built the image from
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15:58<dpkg>[repo] a repository (mirrors), where debian package archives are stored.
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15:59<tom_>Hmm, I was looking for the reply to do with finding which experimental packages I have installed. Anybody know the correct command?
15:59<bremner>tom_: for a specific package, you can try apt-cache policy foobar
16:02<abrotman>!which repo
16:02<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or
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16:15<Allard>Hi, I installed debian lenny on my pc, but when i try to start it up, there's a lot of commands an things, but after a few minutes my monitor says that it has no connection
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16:15<Allard>so i pushed the power button of my pc
16:16<Allard>and suddenly it worked, and asked for my pass
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16:16<Allard>so i try to type, and it shuts itself down
16:16<Allard>whats wrong?
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16:17<Ananth123>tom_: perhaps you can check with the version numbers using 'dpkg --list'
16:18<Mykroft>Allard: sounds like a video problem
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16:18<Mykroft>when you get that blank screen press ctrl-alt-f1
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16:19<Mykroft>pressing the power button probably triggered a shutdown which killed whatever was bogarting your display
16:19<Allard>ok, gonna try that, thanks
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16:20<Allard>but how can?
16:20<Allard>it's a new acer monitor :s
16:20<Mykroft>it's not really a problem with your monitor
16:20<Mykroft>probably a compatibility issue with your video card and whatever xorg is configured for
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16:23<Allard>ok, i pressed crtl alt f1 and it worked
16:23<Allard>thanks man
16:23<Mykroft>no prob
16:24<Allard>but now i'm logged in, but it's all with command line
16:24<Allard>what's the command to start the graphic interface?
16:24<Mykroft>something is wrong with you xorg
16:24<Mykroft>startx would start it normally but i don't think that's going to work for you
16:25<Allard>then i get a fatal server error message
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16:25<Allard>on the install i enabled dns server and all that stuff
16:26<Allard>i thought it would be good
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16:26<Allard>so might that cause the fatal server error?
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16:26<valdyn>Allard: that stuff is unrelated
16:27<Allard>it says things like: unable to connect to X server
16:27<valdyn>Allard: paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste site
16:28<valdyn>Allard: and tell us about your actual video hardware
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16:29<Allard>sorry i'm a new user in linux, just installed it, how do I open the log? :s and paste it here
16:29<Allard>cuz it's on my other pc
16:29<valdyn>Allard: its a text file
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16:29<valdyn>Allard: if the pc is networked you can log in via ssh and use cut & paste
16:29<aetheria>is debian-multimedia down?
16:30<valdyn>Allard: putty is a windows ssh client
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16:31<valdyn>Allard: maybe you yet have to 'aptitude install openssh-server' on that debian box
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16:32<valdyn>Allard: and while you are at it you might aswell grab winscp too, to copy files
16:32<Allard>hm, i'll keep that in mind
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16:40<aetheria>hmm, this is really odd. i can't access through one of my providers. i wonder if it could be aggressive blocking of certain routers or subnets to counter spammers?
16:40<aetheria>it hops to, an address owned by a french provider, then stops
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16:42<ST1GD3R>Hi :)
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16:45<abrotman>aetheria: there are mirrors
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16:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:49<sergio>Queria uma ajuda xD sobre uma coisa xD
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16:49<tom_>abrotman: Thanks. :)
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16:50<panfist>is oreilly's "using samba" (2007) a good book?
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16:51<abrotman>decent enough
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16:52<panfist>are you just saying that because it's oreilly or have you actually read more than one resource on samba
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16:55<abrotman>panfist: maybe ask #samba on freenode
16:57<panfist>ahh thanks
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17:01<aetheria>abrotman: good idea! thanks.
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17:24<myrddin>Hello all. I'm having an issue with an alsa driver and think I'm going to need to submit a bug report. Do you think it should be filed regarding package linux-image-2.6-amd64?
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17:24<t0aster>what's the problem?
17:26<sunoano> ping -c3 is failing here. can anybody confirm?
17:26<myrddin>My card is a SupremeFX II that came with my Asus Crosshair II mobo. I get awful distortion. My m-audio card works great. I tried running an Ubuntu livecd, and the sound is great on the Asus card.
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17:27<bAndie91>hi all
17:27<myrddin>I ran 'lsmod | grep snd >& lsmod.log' on both distros and the modules loaded matched exactly
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17:31<bAndie91>ive a problem with "SUID" on debian, ext3
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17:45<harfooz>Hi all. I'm back on my etch drive while I try hunting for the last two pieces of my lenny installation that will have it complete: getting flash to work on various web sites (, for example) and being able to play
17:47<harfooz>It's been a couple of years since I've done an installation -- are there forums or sites that list common solutions (I figure these issues are common).
17:48<harfooz>i.e. is the typical place people go to, or are they still using mail lists as often as they used to do>
17:49<harfooz>good deal -- that's where I got the nvidia/xorg solution.
17:49<valdyn>harfooz: and you just dont have flash, its not in lenny
17:49<dpkg>well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>
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17:51<harfooz>dm is where I've most recently tried for flash. With their plugin I'm able to play youtube videos (and hear sound unlike the default alternative) but most other sites still don't display the flash content, and instruct me to go get the flash player from adobe. ( for example)
17:51<t0aster>anyone help me with nvidia drivers installation. i dried the line that dpkg gave me in response to nvidia m-a and something very wrong happened.
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17:51<harfooz>t0aster: I just finished an nvidia installation myself.
17:52<harfooz>toaster: the problem I had was my video card required a "legacy" driver.
17:52<harfooz>There is a script that helped me figure out which version to use...let me find it.
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17:53<harfooz>t0aster: read this section
17:53<harfooz>To determine which version you should use, you can run this script, which will propose to set VERSION.
17:54<harfooz>t0aster: that was an important part of my installation because of my older card.
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18:19<Spindel>Hi. I have installed Debian 5 Lenny (amd64) and I have problems with my ATI Radeon HD 2900XT. The screen is flashing, it becomes black the most of the time :( I have tried to install ATI drivers but I cant get it work
18:20<t0aster>did you check the physical connection
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18:21<Spindel>t0aster: I am on the same computer now and using Windows 7. It is no problems
18:21<t0aster>harfoox: what model are you using?
18:22<Spindel>t0aster: U can read the errors in this thread ->
18:23<Spindel>it is when I'm trying to install ati drivers
18:23<Spindel>i have never used debian/linux before
18:23<t0aster>yeah, no. i'm dealing with my own gfx probs now
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18:24<t0aster>this chan is dead btw. lazy sunday i guess
18:24<Spindel>yeah, will try freenode now
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18:24<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
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18:26<craigevil>Spindel: try
18:27<harfooz>t0aster: GeForce4 MX I believe it is.
18:27<Spindel>craigevil ?
18:27<t0aster>someone told me that nvidia-glx is equivalent in ability to the binaries on nvidias site. i'm only trying it this way because of this.
18:28<maxb>Is there any way to ask aptitude to go directly to a dependency resolution that includes no removals, only keeps?
18:28<t0aster>i'm considering just reinstalling the kernel. but i dont know if that will solve my problem
18:28<t0aster>amphi: this make any sense to you?
18:28<harfooz>t0aster: That didn't come up for me, but I did read several posts where they recommended simply installing gcc4.1
18:28<t0aster>i have it installed
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18:29<t0aster>and i tried running this to get the nvidia driver installed
18:29<t0aster>CC=gcc-4.1 sh
18:29<t0aster>someone here tole me to do this ^^^
18:29<Spindel>craigevil: What should I try?
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18:30<amphi>t0aster: I know nothing about nvidia, I'm happy to say
18:31<t0aster>there is a nvidia on freenode, no?
18:31<harfooz>t0aster: I've read about doing what you did also.
18:31<harfooz>t0aster: if I didn't need 3D for the children's games, I just wouldn't even bother with the driver hassle. :-(
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18:32<t0aster>i just want to be able to run googleearth
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18:32*harfooz nods
18:32*harfooz needs to scoot to play in the snow for a while.
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18:43<Twister>hey all, I am trying to put some files into a debian installation so i dont have to download them after the install. Can someone give me an overview of how this would work? (or point me in the right direction)
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18:44<abrotman>what kind of files?
18:44<azeem>Twister: download a CD or DVD instead
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18:47<Twister>abrotman: i have a few script files that i want to push into an install
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18:48<Twister>the installer dont have to run them
18:48<Twister>just want them to be there so they can be run manually
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18:49<Twister>where do they need to go i guess is the better question to ask. I know how to unzip the initrd.gz, put things in it if thats what i need to do, just need to know where they would go in that structure
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18:51<bzed>Twister: create an usb stick installer and just drop them on the stick?
18:51<bzed>Twister: or rebuild a cd installer with your additional files
18:51<Twister>im looking to rebuild the cd installer
18:51<Twister>but where do i put the files
18:51<Twister>is the best question
18:51<Twister>i want them to be in the /
18:51<Twister>i tried just putting them there but it didnt work, i coudlnt find the files after the install
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18:53<bzed>Twister: something like should work
18:53<bzed>Twister: that's how you get the files on CD
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18:54<bzed>Twister: then run the installer, switch to console before rebooting, and copy them to /target - that's where your new installation is mounted in the installer
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18:55<dudu>alguem aqui ja usou biglinux???
18:56<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:01<Twister>i know how to do what your saying..but that dont help..however..i might be able to preseed the "installation" of the files
19:01<Twister>so i guess in a way that did help
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19:04<bzed>Twister: copy them on the cd
19:04<bzed>Twister: and add a preseeding config
19:04<bzed>Twister: and copy the files in
19:04<bzed>d-i preseed/late_command
19:04<Twister>yep :)
19:04<bzed>that will run at the end
19:04<Twister>working on that now :)
19:05<Twister>so say i wanted to copy a file called test
19:05<bzed>d-i preseed/late_command string cp /cdrom/test /target/foo
19:05<Twister>it woudl be d-i preseed/late_command cp test /target (/target = / in the new fs?)
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19:06<bzed>you'll have to specify the path to test, see above (I'm not 100% sure that it is mounted in /cdrom, though)
19:06<Twister>or does /target point to something different
19:06<bzed>no, /target is the new root fs
19:06<bzed>cp test << that doesn't work
19:06<bzed>cp /cdrom/test or so...
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19:07<Twister>so cp /cdrom/test /target (or whatever the cdrom is mounted as)
19:07<Twister>or /target/test
19:08<bzed>that will answer man cp :)
19:08<bzed>use it as you use cp
19:08<Twister>actually that last part wasnt a question, it was a correction
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19:36<t0aster>what does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xor do?
19:36<abrotman>in lenny? not much
19:37<Twister>worked like a charm
19:37<t0aster>my gfx setup is borked. i just went from 1024x768 to 640x480
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19:38<t0aster>kdm was giving me a blank screen so i changed nvidia to nv in my xorg.conf
19:38<t0aster>*X was giving me a blank screen
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19:39<abrotman>nvidia card?
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20:16<orochi>'d be nice if java was actually as cross-platform as it's advertised to be ;> it seems like the same piece of code to play a sound file can have three different effects on three different platforms
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20:32<bsulzer>hi ev'ryone
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20:32<bsulzer>anyone knows when the nvidia-kernel-180.29 is coming out?
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20:34<abrotman>judd: versions nvidia-kernel-source
20:34<judd>abrotman: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 experimental/non-free: 180.22-2
20:34<abrotman>seems the newest is .22 .. guess it will get there when the DD in charge does it
20:35<bsulzer>abrotman: DD? what's that? but thx
20:35<abrotman>Debian Developer
20:35<bsulzer>abrotman: oh, ok. thx
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20:38<bsulzer>hm. how do i 'downgrade' a package? i accidentally upgraded the nvidia-glx package
20:39<Tekno>in synaptic
20:39<Tekno>from top bar
20:39<Tekno>package -> lock version
20:39<Tekno>or was it force version
20:40<bsulzer>oops, sorry. in aptitude
20:40<Tekno>I dont remember
20:40<Tekno>I use synaptic
20:40<abrotman>how do you accidentally upgrade?
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20:41<bsulzer>abrotman: i think i meant 'keep' but did something else in the 'dependency solver'
20:41<bsulzer>of aptitude of course
20:42<bsulzer>well synaptic is not of any use for me right now, i just lost my X
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20:43<bsulzer>Tekno: never mind, i just got something. i'm gonna try this.
20:44<Tekno>ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep nvidia
20:44<Tekno>there you can install it with dpkg -i
20:44<Tekno>(if you havent cleaned your apt cache)
20:44<abrotman>aptitude install package=version
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20:46<bsulzer>abrotman: well, is there a way to show which versions are available?
20:47<bsulzer>abrotman: aptitude show nvidia-glx?
20:47<abrotman>apt-cache policy foo
20:47<bsulzer>abrotman: i remember reading in a forum not to mix apt-get/apt-cache with aptitude. is there something about it?
20:48<abrotman>apt-cache doesn't matter ... it just reads
20:48<abrotman>mixing aptitude and apt-get takes skill :)
20:49<bsulzer>abrotman: how is that meant?
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20:50<bsulzer>abrotman: taking skills. well, i won't mix aptitude and apt-get. i don't have these skills
20:50<abrotman>then don't .. but you can still use apt-cache
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20:51<bsulzer>abrotman: ok, thx. and if there isn't showed just one 'version' of this package, there is only one, right?
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20:52<myrddin>anyone out there with an nvidia onboard soundcard (alsa module snd_hda_intel)?
20:54<myrddin>Hi Tekno, what kind of soundcard do you have?
20:55<myrddin>I've done a fresh install of debian 5, and all I get is distortion. I don't have that issue with Ubuntu.
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20:55<myrddin>have you had any issues?
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20:56<myrddin>hmm. thanks!
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21:00<t0aster>audacious is taking forever to load. from click to play is like 10 seconds. and my system isn't even under load
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21:16<client>my krfb crashes when i try to use says it was caused by signal 11 sigsegv
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21:16<client>can someone help me make sense of that?
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21:16<dondelelcaro>client: that's a segfault, and usually indicates a bug somewhere
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21:27<bsulzer>hi again. it seems i need to ask, how i build a source package in aptitude
21:28<bsulzer>fyi: i googled and i read the man pages
21:28<blarson>bsulzer: ? aptitude isn't used for building source
21:29<bsulzer>blarson: then it leads me to another question. what do i have to pay attention to when i mix aptitude and apt-get
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21:29<dondelelcaro>bsulzer: you don't; aptitude install build-essential fakeroot; aptitude build-dep foopkg; apt-get source foopkg; cd foopkg; dpkg-buildpackage -b; or similar.
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21:30<blarson>bsulzer: aptitude used to treat packages installed with apt-get as auto-installed and remove them. apt-get now updates the auto-installed list so this doesn't happen anymore.
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21:31<bsulzer>blarson: so i can mix it without any damage/misconfig/or_something_else?
21:32<bsulzer>dondelelcaro: thx. i'll try that
21:32<blarson>bsulzer: AFAIK yes. But I don't use aptitude.
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21:33<bsulzer>blarson: but it's so beautiful. especially for a n00b like me... ;)
21:33<bsulzer>blarson: thx, btw
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21:35<Steven_M>hi all
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21:35<Steven_M>how do use a system tray like stalonetry in xmonad?
21:37<bsulzer>dondelelcaro: is it possible that it's apt-get -b source <sourcepackage>?
21:39<dondelelcaro>bsulzer: you can run that if you want. It basically does the same thing.
21:39<dondelelcaro>bsulzer: why are you building packages from source, htough?
21:41<bsulzer>dondelelcaro: cuz i updated my nvidia-glx in sid. and this uses a nvidia-kernel-180.29 in the package tree there is only a nvidia-kernel-174.xx
21:41<klando>hellp, I have issue with swap during boot : I first get an 'unable to find swap-space signature', but juste 2 seconds after, I have a 'Adding 1951856k swap on /dev/sda5. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:1951856k
21:42<klando>any idea what is going on ?
21:42<klando>s/hellp/hello/ :-)
21:43<bsulzer>dondelelcaro: and are there any known issues about mixing aptitude/apt-get with dpkg?
21:44<klando>(and I have only one swap partition afaik)
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21:45<bsulzer>are there any known issues about mixing aptitude/apt-get with dpkg?
21:45<bsulzer>dondelelcaro: sorry, wasn't meant to send only to you
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21:56<teratoma>i thought deep down apt-get was really just a front end to dpkg
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21:57<bsulzer>teratoma: well, blarson told me that apt-get used to screw up certain things if you mix apt-get and aptitude.
21:57<bsulzer>teratoma: wouldn't it be 'logical' that there is some similar thing with dpkg?
21:58<teratoma>i think you're confused
21:58<bsulzer>teratoma: why?
21:59<bsulzer>teratoma: i only assume the worst...
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22:01<t0aster>someone was saying something about the kernel maintainers have the latest kernel releases
22:01<t0aster>*the debian kernel team
22:03<bsulzer>someone could tell me how i can show the depencies in dpkg?
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22:13<panfist>i was just wondering if there was a template for this because it seems like feature a lot of people would like to have
22:14<panfist>i would like to have a startup script that runs screen and opens a few screens and runs some commands in those windows...i want to create a persistent shared screen session with several "tabs" open on startup
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22:16<panfist>in short a startup script that starts screen in detached mode
22:17<panfist>and also i've never installed an /etc/init.d/* script, but i heard there is something more to it then just putting a script there
22:17<abrotman>!run at startup
22:17<dpkg>Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local
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22:18<panfist>thanks i think i can do that
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22:24<CodecP>Hey guys, hope this isn't a problem, but... I need to add a IP to my Debian etch(?) server. according to /proc/version or whatever the file is, it says I'm running debian 4 (Debian 4.1.1-21)
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22:28<abrotman>CodecP: man 5 interfaces
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22:38<brodie>is running "apt-get install apt" as the lenny release notes recommend when upgrading supposed to upgrade numerous other unrelated packages?
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22:38<abrotman>brodie: it will pull in other packages, yes
22:39<abrotman>though i think it tells you to `aptitude install apt dpkg`
22:40<brodie>i think it's strange that it's trying to upgrade all gcc-related tools and apache. though i think i may have misread the notes in that running both apt-get install apt and aptitude install aptitude are two separate options
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22:44<Out_Cold>hey, i'm trying to install a VM debian OS and i'm not sure how to find out what my ethernet card is.. any ideas?
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22:49<CodecP>Should I be concerned if I get this?
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23:10<panfist>does lenny have ext4 support?
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23:15<kapil>panfist: the e2fsprogs in lenny do support ext4
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23:17<twb>Is there a specific sources.list entry for etchnahalf?
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23:18<chealer>panfist: there's no official support, no
23:18<chealer>twb: no
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23:19<panfist>is there a howto to upgrade the kernel in lenny to .28?
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23:31<twb>!dynamic mmap
23:31<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
23:31<twb>WTF kind of number is 12582912?
23:33<twb>12MB ?
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23:55<heffay>can someone give me a hand configuring lirc? when i try to irrecord file_name it cannot open /dev/lirc
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