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02:24<Prathibha>In simple-cdd method I am getting the following error, genisoimage: No such file or directory. Unable to open disc image file '/root/images/debian-lenny/sid-i386-CD-1.iso'. What's the problem?
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02:30<vermells>alguien de habla española?
02:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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02:32<vermells>thanks for all
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02:43<tiaz>I'm having a problem with netinstall ...
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02:43<tiaz>this particular system lives in an rfc-1918 netblock and does not have internet access
02:44<tiaz>so I set up a mirror of dvd disc 1 and used "enter details manually" at mirror selection
02:44<tiaz>however, it times out trying to find the mirror and looking at logs on the mirror it never gets the request
02:44<tiaz>using tty2 I can nc to the mirror box and pull down pages
02:44<tiaz>in hostname, I am putting the bare IP, no additional characters
02:45<tiaz>in path, I am putting the relative path with no leading /
02:45<tiaz>there is no proxy information. is this not correct? is there something else I am missing?
02:46<simonrvn>you sure you mounted/bind-mounted the dvd where it can access it? ;)
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02:46<tiaz>I can browse there myself.
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02:46<tiaz>I didn't try downloading debs from the box I'm trying to install, but I mean if I can get pages ...
02:47<simonrvn>can you mount the dvd on the box that's get this? what's preventing you from doing so?
02:49<tiaz>the box I'm trying to install? it doesn't have nfs tools or anything
02:49<tiaz>or are you saying I should burn the dvd
02:49<tiaz>I'm trying to avoid that since I already have the netinstall cd in there and I'm not physically at the facility
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02:49<Saiko>where can I download debian 4.0?
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02:50<goodger>Saiko: why?
02:51<simonrvn>ah ok
02:51<Saiko>goodger I need it
02:52<goodger>I'm sure disk images are still kept on the ftp mirrors, but it is obsolete
02:52<Saiko>or is every software for debian 4.0 compatible with 5?
02:52<simonrvn>tiaz: just for kicks, configure the sources.list as a dvd/cd, but use the https/http url you want to do that.
02:52<goodger>not necessarily, but probably
02:53<simonrvn>i think it does deb-cdrom or something like that
02:53<goodger>backward-incompatibility is rare between single releases
02:53<tiaz>where is sources.list on the netinstall image?
02:53<tiaz>it's not in /etc/apt
02:53<tiaz>also, its' either overwritten too fast for me to make the change or ignored
02:54<simonrvn>write ahead of time; it won't be yet.
02:54<simonrvn>pardon the missing words...
02:54<tiaz>the only apt-get is on the target fs
02:55<tiaz>I tried to run grub before but it turns out it isn't installed yet
02:56<jm_>netstat should show you what kind of connection d-i is trying to do
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02:56<simonrvn>without more info anyway, i don't see how i can debug this.
02:57<tiaz>jm_: thanks, that is actually an excellent hint :)
02:57<tiaz>looks like it's getting the wrong answer from the ns
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02:58<simonrvn>why would it be using the ns when you said you input the ip ?
02:59<tiaz>no idea!
02:59<tiaz>but I'm perfectly content to drop a hostname in /etc/hosts and pretend this never happened
02:59<simonrvn>prolly be better, it's temporary anyway.
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03:06<snogglethorpe>WTF, the new debian packages for linux 2.6.28 use _226MB_ of disk space...?! (compared to 82MB for 2.6.26)
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03:15<snogglethorpe>did they throw in a couple of extra kernels just in case?
03:15<snogglethorpe>(seriously, my root volume cannot fit the new kernel!)
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03:19<pexy>how can i install etch, when lenny is stable? i want to test upgrade.
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03:20<jm_>the same way you install any version of debian
03:20<dondelelcaro>pexy: the etch install media will still work
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03:20<dondelelcaro>pexy: and please only ask a question in one of the #debian channels
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03:21<pexy>dondelelcaro: yes, if i use etch install media and but choose stable distribution, it still installs lenny
03:22<dondelelcaro>pexy: uh... it installs based on the code name, iirc.
03:24<pexy>dondelelcaro: i used etch 4.0r7 businesscard iso (~40 MB) and chose stable, i got lenny
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03:25<pexy>dondelelcaro: i should probably use some bigger iso, then everything is installed from iso
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03:28<dondelelcaro>pexy: if you choose stable, that's what you'll get. You presumably want etch, or oldstable.
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03:32<snogglethorpe>(so does anybody know why 2.6.28 is sooo much bigger...?)
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03:33<Supaplex>you're chatting with a lisp.
03:34<Supaplex>at any rate, you could do a binary search on code differences if you want to test it. otherwise, compare diffs between the two.
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03:37<HookAndReel>can somebody help me figure out how to install/configure a d-link dwl-520+?
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03:38<HookAndReel>on a debian
03:38<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
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03:40<gsimmons>HookAndReel: Haven't we told you about acx111 before? /msg dpkg acx111
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03:42<beowulf_lives2>is there a way to bring a package's config files back to their origianl state?
03:42<beowulf_lives2>not really sure how to say this...
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03:43<beowulf_lives2>like x11-common
03:43<HookAndReel>Ya, but i reinstalled the OS and starting from scratch, forgot where to start.
03:44<jm_>beowulf_lives2: yes
03:46<beowulf_lives2>I could reinstall everything ya
03:46<jm_>!tell beowulf_lives2 about confmiss
03:47<tiaz>so I got the base packages fetched through tasksel, then after doing all that it tries to contact various servers at
03:47<tiaz>volatile, villa, and another whose name I don't remember
03:47<tiaz>I put them in hosts as but then the installer just hung
03:48<beowulf_lives2>i'm using irssi and don't know irc very well :-), will google confmiss
03:48<tiaz>I guess I have to set up a proxy or get them to burn full install cd1
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03:50<dondelelcaro>beowulf_lives2: it's in the msg window by default; there's probably a pink number somewhere below, so /win <thatnumber>
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03:50<jm_>the joys of irssi defaults
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03:51<dondelelcaro>I don't even remember what the defaults are anymore
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03:51<dondelelcaro>I *think* it's a message window, anyway
03:52<beowulf_lives2>ya got it
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03:52<beowulf_lives2>alt+ number
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03:58<snogglethorpe>hmm, soemthign is very suspicious
03:59<snogglethorpe>the size of the .deb file for the new super-bloated kernel package is 24MB, which is roughly the same as my home-built 2.6.28 kernel (21MB .deb) -- and yet the unpacked space for the bloated kernel is 3 x as big as the unpacked space for my kernel!
03:59<snogglethorpe>something wacky is going on...
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04:03<beowulf_lives2>so something like apt-get --reinstall install [package] should work?
04:05<jm_>no, that's not what dpkg told you
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04:14<beowulf_lives2>subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
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04:18<Gentoolio>hi!! does anybody knows where can I find a list of the auto-load modules???
04:18<jm_>that depends on hardware
04:19<Gentoolio>o.O, for example???
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04:22<Gentoolio>i just want to see what modules are auto-loaded when i startup my computer
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04:23<jm_>run lsmod and you'll get a list
04:24<Gentoolio>with lsmod i get the list of the current loaded modules
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04:24<Gentoolio>but i want to know what modules are auto-loaded in startup
04:24<jm_>yes, majority of those were loaded that way
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04:26<Gentoolio>ok, but if i want to add a module for auto-load.... where do i have to do that???
04:27<jm_>ahh please specify the problem you ar ehaving next time, it will be easier to help you
04:27<jm_>man modules
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04:28<Gentoolio>RTFM xD
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04:30<Gentoolio>thank you jm_
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04:33<yang>how can I specify sources.list to connect only via ipv4 ?
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04:36<jm_>yang: glibc 2.9?
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04:36<yang>jm_: I need to specify option so the upgrades will go just by ipv4
04:37<jm_>yang: the easiest way to achieve that is to specify ipv4 only mirror
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04:38<yang>ok, so there is no parameter for setting it to ipv4/ipv6 specific
04:38<jm_>no it doesn't care about that
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04:40<jm_>alternative might be to route it via a proxy that might have more options
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04:45<dextrocool>i have a prob to install flash on lenny
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04:46<jm_>d-m has flash plugin
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04:46<dextrocool>actually i cant read any video or music without flash ...
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04:47<dpkg>somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>
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04:53<dextrocool>actually i have a problem to get the key to update apt
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04:55<jm_>which key?
04:56<dextrocool>GPG error:
04:56<jm_>the FAQ on that page explains what to do
04:56<dextrocool>it can verify the key !
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05:00<dextrocool>dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring
05:00*dpkg installs debian-multimedia-keyring into dextrocool's head with a bone saw and a few screws
05:00<dextrocool>the link doesnt work
05:00<dextrocool>for me
05:00<azeem>which link
05:01<jm_>you can install the package with apt
05:01<dextrocool>i know but it doesnt work
05:01<azeem>dextrocool: pastebin the error
05:01<dextrocool>the error is in french
05:01<azeem>dextrocool: export LANG=C before
05:02<dextrocool>on terminal sorry i'm pretty new to debian ...
05:02<dextrocool>and so pretty dumb i guess so ..
05:02<azeem>dextrocool: run "export LANG=C"
05:03<azeem>then run the failing command again and pastebin it
05:03<dextrocool>ok it works with apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
05:03<dextrocool>thats nice
05:03<jm_>right, now run apt-get update
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05:04<[gloom]>hi there
05:06<dextrocool>so i run apt-get update
05:06<[gloom]>with the last sid update, the Knetworkmanager has stopped to manage my wired interface, thus not showinf the ethernet connector icon in the kicker, and just showing the grey earth globe one.Someone else noticing this?
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05:09<dextrocool>so how can i install flash ?
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05:11<[gloom]>dextrocool: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
05:11<jm_>install flashplayer-mozilla
05:12<dextrocool>actually i dont have firefox mozilla but iceweasel
05:12<jm_>doesn't matter, it works in iceweasel too
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05:12<dextrocool>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
05:12<dextrocool>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
05:12<dextrocool>is only available from another source
05:12<dextrocool>E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate
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05:12<dextrocool>did u get my message ?
05:12<jm_>flashplugin-nonfree is not available in lenny
05:12<jm_>use the package I mentioned
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05:13<dextrocool>how can i install it ?
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05:13<jm_>the same way you tried to install the last one
05:13<dextrocool>what was the package u mentioned ??
05:13<azeem>11:10 < jm_> install flashplayer-mozilla
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05:13<dextrocool>i try so
05:14<azeem>dextrocool: please try to pay attention
05:14<dextrocool>didnt work
05:14<snogglethorpe>dextrocool: swfdec 0.8 works too
05:14<azeem>!doesn't work
05:14<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
05:14<snogglethorpe>dextrocool: (it lacks cpu accel tho)
05:14<snogglethorpe>dextrocool: er maybe that doesn't make so much sense
05:14<dextrocool>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
05:14<dextrocool> flashplayer-mozilla: Depends: nspluginwrapper but it is not installable
05:14<dextrocool>E: Broken packages
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05:16<jm_>dextrocool: please don't paste here - which version of the package is this?
05:16<dextrocool>i dont know i just write this apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
05:16<jm_>are you perhaps on amd64?
05:16<dextrocool>i'm on the last release amd64 lenny
05:16<dextrocool>yes i'am
05:17<jm_>what does 'dpkg --print-architecture' say?
05:17<jm_>ok, you need that alpha/beta 64bit plugin, probably not available in dmm repository yet
05:18<snogglethorpe>dextrocool: try swfdec-mozilla
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05:18<dextrocool>u mean apt-get install swfdec-mozilla i suppose
05:19<snogglethorpe>dextrocool: it should be version 0.8 or greater tho... earlier versions were kind of wonky for many purposes
05:19<dextrocool>swfdec-mozilla is already the newest version !
05:19<snogglethorpe>dextrocool: what version?
05:19<dextrocool>he didnt tell me so far
05:19<azeem>dextrocool: dpkg -l swfdec-mozilla | tail -1
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05:20<snogglethorpe> "apt-cache policy swfdec-mozilla" should also work i think
05:20<dextrocool>dkpg: command no found ...:-(
05:20<jm_>dpkg, not dkpg
05:20<dpkg>jm_: I don't know, could you explain it?
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05:21<azeem>dextrocool: please pay more attention
05:21<dextrocool>yeah right
05:21<azeem>dextrocool: and try to research a bit for yourself before taking the time of the people in ehre
05:21<dextrocool>of course
05:21<dextrocool>swfdec-mozilla 0.6.0-5
05:22<azeem>oh, you're still on lenny
05:22<azeem>why is that?
05:22<dextrocool>yes i'm still on lenny
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05:23<dextrocool>how do i update swfdec-mozilla ?
05:23<dextrocool>to get the last version ??
05:23<azeem>you already have the latest version in lenny
05:24<azeem>you just pasted it yourself
05:24<azeem>11:17 < dextrocool> swfdec-mozilla is already the newest version !
05:24<snogglethorpe>you can add the unstable repository to /etc/apt/sources.list
05:24<dextrocool>i thought it was the 0.8 the last version man
05:24<snogglethorpe>and try to see whether installing the newer version is possible
05:24<azeem>dextrocool: lenny isn't the last version
05:24<azeem>snogglethorpe: please don't advertise unstable to users
05:25<dextrocool>lenny isnt the last version ?.??
05:25<azeem>dextrocool: eh, sorry
05:25<azeem>my bad
05:25<dextrocool>i dont get it azeem
05:25<snogglethorpe>azeem: unstable is part of debian, it's not something to hide
05:25<azeem>snogglethorpe: it's not supported in here
05:25<dextrocool>ok but how do i get the last version of swfdec-mozilla ?
05:26<snogglethorpe>azeem: people here can do as they please of course
05:26<azeem>snogglethorpe: of course not
05:26<azeem>this is a support channel
05:26<azeem>if you want, feel free to support unstable, but then make sure all follow-up questions are directed at you as well
05:26<snogglethorpe>azeem: i mean, people can restrict themselves as they please
05:27<azeem>I was talking about the official support guidelines
05:27<dextrocool>ok guys for sure u both right but i'm wondering if maybe i can have a solution to my problem with a stable version for flash !
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05:27<azeem>dextrocool: well, try swfdec-0.6 for now maybe?
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05:28<azeem>snogglethorpe: you're the (former?) FSF Miles Bader, right?
05:28<snogglethorpe>azeem: y
05:28<dextrocool>u mean a apt-get install swfdec-0.6???
05:28<azeem>dextrocool: it's not installed yet?
05:29<azeem>snogglethorpe: I don't want to alienate you, it's just that most regulars and ops in here decided that support should be restricted to stable and testing, as unstable is breaking too often
05:29<dextrocool>couldnt find package swfdec-0.6...
05:29<azeem>dextrocool: 11:23 < azeem> 11:17 < dextrocool> swfdec-mozilla is already the newest version
05:30<azeem>snogglethorpe: and if people recommend new useres to upgrade to unstable, it means a bigger support burdon for the regulars in future due to the unevitable follow-up questions
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05:30<dextrocool>yes i have a old version of swfdec running on my computer and i cant get the latest version because its unstable ,right?
05:31<snogglethorpe>azeem: ok, I won't "recommend" that people upgrade to unstable, but it seems to pretend it doesn't exist
05:31<jm_>one of the options would be to backport it yourself
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05:31<dextrocool>so can i do that ?
05:31<dextrocool>i mean how ?
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05:32<azeem>dextrocool: why don't you try the old version first?
05:32<jm_>!tell dextrocool -about simple sid backport
05:32<azeem>maybe it fits your need already
05:32<azeem>or did you already
05:32<dextrocool>i mean i have already the 0.6.0-5
05:33<dextrocool>di i have to get an old one ?
05:33<dextrocool>do i have to get an old one ?
05:33<azeem>dextrocool: did you even try to restart your browser and use flash?
05:33<dextrocool>nop actually !
05:33<azeem>go for ti!
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05:33<dextrocool>good advei !
05:33<dextrocool>advice !
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05:34<dextrocool>it doesnt work at all
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05:36<dextrocool>why debian do not have a documentation like on ubuntu website ?Is it part of the difference or just a wish to get the OS very special and pure ?
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05:36<jm_>dextrocool: you're joking right?
05:37<azeem>dextrocool: what do you mean with "doesn't work at all"?
05:37<dextrocool>if i am joking ?
05:37<dextrocool>i mean azeem thats the player doesnt work at all when i try the flashplayer
05:37<azeem>how do you try it?
05:37<dextrocool>like on
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05:38<dextrocool>no i'm not joking man
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05:38<azeem>dextrocool: did you try
05:38<dextrocool>i'm gonna try
05:38<jm_>dextrocool: the joking comment was about documentation, not flash issues - Debian has lots of documentation available
05:39<azeem>jm_: that doesn't mean it is better end-user accessible than the Ubuntu wiki
05:39<azeem>dextrocool: also, enter "about: plugins" as website and see whether flash is mentioned there
05:40<dextrocool>thats why i was telling that the end-user is more easy for beginner than the documentation for debian !thats all
05:40<dextrocool>ok azeem
05:40<dextrocool>yes i can see video on youtube actually thats great
05:41<dextrocool>and everything is fine on ''about:plugins"
05:41<dextrocool>thank you azeem
05:41<azeem>so lenny swfdec doesn't work with
05:41<dextrocool>yes it doesnt work
05:42<azeem>wait a couple of days/weeks for an swfdec-0.8 backport at
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05:42<dextrocool>its like the browser try to connect to the flashplayer but he cant find it
05:43<dextrocool>ok nice thank you for your time azeem
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05:43<dextrocool>and jm_ i would like to see a documentation easy to find like on ubuntu website it will be nice
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05:45<dextrocool>but when you are on debian its pretty easy to get to the right documentation !but its ok but not so easy like u can find it on ubuntu i think so
05:45<dextrocool>do you know what i mean ?
05:46<jm_>no, I never checked ubuntu page for that
05:46<dextrocool>ok so thats why maybe
05:47<dextrocool>thank u for help anyway !
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06:14<shashi>I'm using etch
06:15<shashi>kernel 2.6.8-2-386
06:15<weasel>a sarge kernel.
06:15<shashi>i want to update the kernel
06:15<shashi>oh it' sarge ?
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06:15<weasel>etch came with 2.6.16.
06:15<weasel>etch came with 2.6.18.
06:16<shashi>but version saying 4.0
06:16<weasel>you didn't upgrade the kernel when you upgraded from sarge.
06:16<shashi>how can i upgrade that now
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06:17<shashi>linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 will this support
06:17<shashi>weasel, i'm in trouble
06:18<weasel>I don't have the time to hold your hand.
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06:18<shashi>i have put 2 GB RAM in my system, but os detecting only 1 GB
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06:19<shashi>how can i go to upgrade the Kernel
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06:21<azeem>shashi: install the etch kernel
06:21<shashi> linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 will this support
06:22<azeem>support what?
06:22<metalqga>2GB ram
06:22<shashi>i already installed... but not yet rebooted
06:22<azeem>shashi: it's unclear whether this is a kernel problem, maybe it's a hardware problem
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06:22<azeem>shashi: is this on a remote server?
06:23<shashi>it's not hardware problem
06:23<azeem>then I suggest you try the new kernel and revert back to the old if it does not work better
06:23<shashi>thats cool azeem
06:24<adb>shashi: do > cat /etc/debian_version
06:24<adb>so on etch
06:24<shashi>uname -a says
06:24<jm_>you need highmem enabled kernel
06:25<shashi>I'm confused which one to install
06:25<jm_>i recommend 2.6.24
06:26<azeem>jm_: why don't let him try the etch kernel first
06:26<shashi>let me try first -2.6.18-6-686
06:27<shashi>i can not reboot now..I have taken downtime at 7
06:28<shashi>so wanted to prepare ... that's why asked your kind help
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06:29<shashi>thanks for your suggestions friends
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06:49<enouf>someone please tell me how to enable a metarefresh in konqueror 3.5.9(?) - i'm on a secure site (https) but if i don't use it (change pages - or click something) within say; 5-10 minutes, i have to relogin all over again - and there's 60 pages i need to review ... and there's no way that i can see to see/print all at once even
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06:52<jm_>heh firefox has plugins to automatically reload the page at given interval
06:54<enouf>jm_: i'm not sure if reloading is even what i need/want - i don't know the correct term
06:54<jm_>enouf: it usually works for such cases
06:54<enouf>i'm on my cell phone account site; retreiving old numbers (no SIM cards in these phones)
06:55<enouf>jm_: if so - then i'll try it - thanks - maybe midori would do it
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06:57<craigevil>enouf: In Konqueror go to: Settings -> Configure Extensions -> Tools [tab] -> check
06:57<craigevil>the Auto Refresh Plugin box. -> Apply -> OK
06:57<enouf>craigevil: ok - let me see ... one sec
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06:58<craigevil>once you do that it shows up under the Tools Menu
06:59<enouf>craigevil: in Tools tab all i see is 'kget' and 'text to speech' plugins, both are checked
07:00<craigevil>i just checked its there on mine KOnq 3.5.9, but i have kde installed
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07:00<enouf>i know i have Plugins enabled .. let me see
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07:01<craigevil>you need konq-plugins package
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07:02<enouf>ahh .. let me see
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07:04<enouf>craigevil: installing now - thank you
07:04<merethan>Hi all
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07:05<enouf>craigevil: i also have kde installed (older, but still 3.5.9) - just no recommends and such
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07:07<merethan>I have a problem with my cp2101 USB<>serial converter. I need the cp2101 to communicate to an autonome aircraft but debian does not recognize the chip. lsusb lists it but the driver module does not get loaded and dmesg doesn't show it. Manual loading didn't fix it either. Any suggestions what to do next?
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07:07<enouf>craigevil: the Auto Refresh plugin is there now, so i ticked it, Apply/ok -- let's see if it does what i need -- thanks again
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07:08<craigevil>np :)
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07:11<gsimmons>merethan: What Debian version are you using? What is the product and vendor ID of your device?
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07:13<merethan>gsimmons, not the current 5.0. I believe it was 4.0, kernel-2.6.18-6-686
07:14<merethan>gsimmons, ID 10c4:81e7 Cygnal Integrated Products, Inc.
07:16<merethan>My Gentoo desktop (wich I am now on) recognizes it (cp2101: Silicon Labs CP2101/CP2102 RS232 serial adaptor driver v0.07) and is able to use it. But the debian distro on my laptop does not.
07:17<jm_>try using a newer kernel then
07:17<gsimmons>merethan: Your device is supported by the cp2101 module in the 2.6.24 kernel. Install and boot with an etchnhalf kernel image.
07:19<merethan>What's the best way to do this? (I am new to bedian)
07:20<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
07:20<jm_>you can install the kernel just like you install any other package
07:20<enouf>er - see reference atleast ;-) , but apt-get {aptitude} install linux-image-version
07:20<merethan>I guess dpkg does make sure nothing breaks?
07:20<gsimmons>merethan: Specifically, use "apt-cache search linux-image-2.6- | grep etchnhalf" to provide a list of relevant kernel images, then select one appropriate for your system.
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07:28<merethan>gsimmons, tnx for help. I didn't know about cp2101 not supporting certain devices. Since my converter is cp2101 compatible I assumed it was already.
07:28<merethan>Updating now
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07:50<valdyn>merethan: you are confusing recognising at two completely different independent places
07:50<valdyn>merethan: lscpi / lsusb is independent of a kernel having a driver
07:51<valdyn>merethan: or i misread, duh
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08:00<merethan>gsimmons, It works now
08:01<merethan>Can't believe I missed something simple like this.
08:01<merethan>tnx for help :)
08:01<merethan>Now I can live see the location of my aircraft by transmitting the GPS location :D
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08:07<nasso>im have installed debian 5 in virtualbox and installed apache. it works to access the webserver via elinks locally in the virtual machine but i cant access it from the host. does anyone know how i can fix this? configure the nas in vritualbox in some way?
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08:12<merethan>nasso, setting the network mode to NAT worked for me
08:13<merethan>(in virtualbox)
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08:16<nasso>merethan, i have it set to NAT but i cant access it from the outside
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08:16<nasso>merethan, it behaves just as if it was NATed. like i need to forward port 80
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08:18<nasso>another wierd thing is that i cant ping out of the virtual server. i can surf and download packages but i cant ping
08:18<nasso>not a major disaster but still wierd :)
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08:20<merethan>nasso, you're sure the OS inside the VM has a different IP then the host OS?
08:21<nasso>merethan, yes
08:21<merethan>I have Gentoo on my laptop with IP and debian inside a VM using works fine with NAT mode configured in VirtualBox here.
08:21<enouf>craigevil: ahh .. you then have to go to 'Tools' in the menu bar, hover over AutoRefresh > and select the time (how often)
08:22<nasso>i found a "tutorial" about fortforwarding in virtualbox
08:22<merethan>nasso, can you ping the guest OS from the outside?
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08:23<nasso>they are on different subnets too. in your case it seems like it get its ip from the same dhcp as your host. mine i NATed
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08:23<nasso>my host has a 192..-ip and my virtual debian has a 10..-ip
08:24<merethan>oh, well, that makes stuff a bit more complicated with subnets and such
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08:25<merethan>I just tied pinging my VMbox and it didn't work either
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08:25<merethan>however I can ping from within the VM tot real machines on my LAN
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08:26<nasso>i cant ping in or out
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08:26<buffoon_work>merethan, if you have NAT in your VM it'll work always like that. You have to configure port forwarding for certain services and use the hosts (192..) IP
08:27<merethan>oh, yes, ofcouse
08:27<merethan>Just like WAN<>LAN
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08:28<merethan>Me not sharp today :)
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08:28<nasso>is it possible to forward all ports?
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08:28<jm_>you can forward on per IP basis
08:28<nasso>there should be a GUI for configuring the NAT in virtualbox. cant get the commandline to work :/
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08:28<merethan>nasso, perhaps just the ports you need would be sufficient?
08:28<nasso>merethan, yeah
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08:29<merethan>euh, dunno anything about that
08:29<merethan>Haven't done that so far with VBox
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08:31<nasso>damnit. i forwarded the ports according to link i posted before and when i restarted the virtual machine i get an error
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08:32<nasso>NAT#0: configuration query for "Protocol" string failed.VBox status code: -2107 (VERR_CFGM_NOT_STRING).
08:33<nasso>oh. ran the wrong command :p
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08:35<wb>hi everyone, i lost my heart;who can teach me?
08:35<nasso>wb: what do you mean?
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08:36<wb>lost love,i know here is not fit to say this.i am so.....
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08:36<nasso>wb, im sorry...
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08:40<wb>nasso you are not worry;
08:40<metalqga>wb there are always better opportunities
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08:41<wb>opportunities is what mean? thanks
08:41<wb>go to #debian-zh
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08:42<wb>afa505 use this command /join #debian-zh
08:42<wb>en ,here all use
08:42<afa505>大家好.equal (hello everyone)
08:42<wb>you and i are same country
08:43<wb>guang dong
08:43<wb>where are you?
08:43<wb>why you can in put chinese
08:44<wb>but i can't
08:44<afa505>i don't know
08:44<metalqga>wb try to put your thoughts in one sentence pls
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08:45<afa505>i use this system last week
08:45<wb>what you use to input chinese?you did't know?
08:46<nasso>does anyone know how to diable fullscreen mode in virtualbox?
08:46<afa505>this edition is chinese
08:46<Torsten_W>nasso: host + f
08:46<nasso>yeah. the portforwarding worked :)
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08:46<wb>ok,i know
08:47<nasso>Torsten_W, what is host? win-tangent? that didnt work
08:47<wb>i think use english system is more nice look
08:47<Torsten_W>nasso: here is not #vbox
08:47<Torsten_W>nasso: hostkey is the reght ctrl
08:48<nasso>Torsten_W, okay. thanks
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08:48<nasso>Torsten_W, oh. there was i vbox channel. i tried #virtualbox and then came here because i was installing debian :)
08:48<nasso>Torsten_W, #vbox is empty :P
08:48<Torsten_W>nasso: not on freenode
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08:49<nasso>Torsten_W, oh. my mistake. i thought i was on freenode
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08:51<nasso>is this the official channel for debian or is freenode?
08:51<nasso>i got here through ubuntu and xchat
08:51<WayneSallee>I'm trying to set up ndiswrapper with only a wireless connection.
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08:52<dr|z3d>nasso: This is technically the official debian channel. #ubuntu is hosted on freenode.
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08:53<nasso>dr|z3d, there is a debian on freenode too. its twice as big as this. more than that
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08:53<dr|z3d>nasso: fair enough. I guess you take your pick, then.. depends on what vibe you prefer. :)
08:53<MrNaz>does lenny properly support software raid10 now?
08:54<nasso>dr|z3d, i choose both ;)
08:55<metalqga>i choose this one
08:56<gsimmons>WayneSallee: Were you going to ask a follow-up question? Do you actually require use of NDISwrapper for your wireless LAN device?
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08:57<WayneSallee>I have not found a linux driver for it.
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09:00<gsimmons>WayneSallee: What is "it", exactly? WRT to NDISwrapper, the necessary Debian packages for its use are all within main. You'll obviously need to supply the NDIS driver yourself; /msg dpkg ndiswrapper
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09:02<WayneSallee>It's an Atheros wireless card
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09:05<WayneSallee>Acer Aspire 3680
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09:09<WayneSallee>How do I install ndiswrapper without internet?
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09:14<WayneSallee>hmm looks like I fond a linux driver after all.
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09:30<stew>wanghu: hefeihong: english only in here
09:32<hefeihong>where is here?
09:33<stew>this irc channel
09:33<stew>hefeihong: is there a reason you are using two clients from the same IP address?
09:34<dpkg>from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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09:37<WayneSallee>The instructions say to type make, but I keep getting an error, no such file
09:38<gsimmons>WayneSallee: This is for? You really need to start providing context for your problems.
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09:39<WayneSallee>The linux driver for the wireless card
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09:41<gsimmons>WayneSallee: Which is what? Please provide details relating to your issue (such as the driver name, version) if you're after assistance with its installation and/or use.
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09:42<WayneSallee>**********lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/build: No such file or directory
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09:45<gsimmons>WayneSallee: MadWifi is packaged for use on Debian systems, which can be installed via module-assistant. /msg dpkg madwifi ; /msg dpkg madwifi-install ;
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09:47<WayneSallee>Ok thanks
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09:59<christoph>Hi all! can anyone recomend me an small mailinglist system? I think mailman is far to big for my setup ....
09:59<Bleupomme>hello. Is there a way to automatically update the cdrom entry in fstab after a kernel update that changes the block device?
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10:01<oliva>hi there ... I have a LCD panel and I noticed that the X image tremble. How can I fix?
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10:02<enouf>Bleupomme: that seems silly - and the kernel doesn't change anything, udev might though
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10:03<enouf>Bleupomme: look at man kernel-img.conf (though - possibly)
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10:04<Bleupomme>enouf: thx
10:04<carl_henrik>Does anyone have experience with a high-performance, silent NAS which can run Debian?
10:05<enouf>Bleupomme: ~$ find /etc/udev -name '*cd.rules'
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10:05<enouf>Bleupomme: look at that file
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10:05<enouf>whether it's 70, or z25 or whatever it's called these days
10:05<D6>Hello guys. I'd like to remove all GRUB messages like "Grub loading stage 1.5 Grub loading, please wait..", and I found in source code only "loading stage 1.5" and "Grub loading, please wait..". I removed it and GRUB now shows only "GRUB ." Does anyone know the place in source code where I can remove this message?
10:06<enouf>maybe stage1
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10:06<enouf>careful though - better make backups
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10:07<enouf>D6: ~$ strings /boot/grub/stage1 | grep GRUB
10:07<D6>enouf: it works fine, the only problem that I cannot find that initial "GRUB" message
10:07<Bleupomme>enouf: I will explain my problem to you. I upgraded an etch with cdrom on /dev/hdc to lenny. After the update the cdrom device has become /dev/hda.
10:08<D6>enouf: aha, I see.
10:08<Bleupomme>enouf: now I have to upgrade lots of boxes. Do you think I can safely sed -i "s/$olddevice/$newdevice/"?
10:09<Bleupomme>enouf: and how do I find out what the new and old devices were?
10:09<D6>enouf: thanks!
10:09<enouf>Bleupomme: i've never heard of such nonsense .. unless your BIOS is such crap or you have removable trays or something
10:10<enouf>"cat /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules"
10:10<enouf>Your paste URL is:
10:10<enouf>Bleupomme: ^^^^^^
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10:11<oliva>anybody can help with this display tremble?
10:11<enouf>D6: np - glad i could help
10:11<Bleupomme>enouf: the udev rule creates the symlinks but from experience I cannot rely on these
10:11<Bleupomme>enouf: It's ok I will try to find a solution with sed
10:12<enouf>then don't - use blkid, ls -l /dev/disk/by-*
10:12<enouf>use dmesg even
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10:14<enouf>~$ grep -E 'hd[ab]|ATAPI' /var/log/dmesg <--suit to fit
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10:14<uladf>How can i start in Debian a server under another user account than root?
10:15<adb>by sudo ?
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10:15<oliva>uladf: start a Debian server? a service?
10:15<uladf>Yes, a service
10:15<OdyX>user space linux ? kvm ?
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10:16<oliva>uladf: do you have root access to the machine?
10:16<uladf>when the server is startet with the command "bigserver" and the user should be "serverboss", how do i use sudo to do this.
10:16<uladf>oliva: yes i have root access
10:16<oliva>the use sudo
10:16<frunsk>has anyone found a workaround for this gtk_file_system_error_quark fix problem with ruby and gtk?
10:17<oliva>uladf: use sudo
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10:17<uladf>oliva: so you mean: "use sudo bigersver serverboss" is this the correct commandline?
10:17<uladf>sry, i mean "use sudo bigserver serverboss"
10:18<Bleupomme>enouf: this is what I will put in a startup script: cdromdev=$(cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info | grep -i "drive name" | perl -pe 's/drive name:\s*//i');cat /etc/fstab | perl -pe "s/^[^\s]+(.*iso9660.*)/\/dev\/$cdromdev\1/" > /etc/fstab.replace
10:18<WayneSallee>msg: command not found
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10:19<uladf>i also want to mention, that this service needs to be startete automatically after reboot with this username
10:19<gsimmons>WayneSallee: The /msg links provided earlier are commands for your IRC client, used to access a factoid from dpkg.
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10:21<WayneSallee>Oh ok. I gues this ChatZilla is not that great. :-)
10:22<WayneSallee>It did show up this address:
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10:23<WayneSallee>oops I mean :
10:24<Allard>hi, i try to start the desktop on debian with startx but it gave me an error: x server not found
10:24<Allard>what should it do to fix this?
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10:24<enouf>Bleupomme: welp .. that wouldn't work here, mine are listed backwards drive name: hdb hda
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10:26<WayneSallee>gsimmons: those instructions assume you have internet.
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10:30<gsimmons>WayneSallee: That's right. It's preferable to temporarily connect your system to a wired, Internet-accessible network to initially install the required software. Otherwise, you'll need to manually acquire, transfer and install the referenced packages (and their dependencies) to your Debian system manually.C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C
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10:33<WayneSallee>Then I guess that is what I'll have to do.
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10:51<buffoon_work>I'm having problems with whitelists in squid. My configuration should be: "Deny everything from the servers except ..." In short i have 2 ACLs (Server and whitelist). if I have "http_access deny servers !whitelist" everything gets blocked.
10:53<buffoon_work>acl citrixwhitelist dstdomain "/etc/squid/whitelist" is the 1st acl and acl server src the 2nd.
10:54<buffoon_work>if I replace the http_access line with "http_access allow server" every site works great
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10:57<erKURITA>buffoon_work I don't really know how it works on squid, but I've known allowance rules to work like
10:57<erKURITA>"Allow this" "Allow that" "Deny All"
10:57<erKURITA>At first it may look weird, but you're blocking everything but 2 things
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10:58<buffoon_work>well, the line "http_access deny server !whitelist" says "if the acl server matches, deny everything but whitelist"
10:59<buffoon_work>the thing is just that it blocks everything and I would like to make security updates...
11:03<gsimmons>buffoon_work: Shouldn't that read "http_access deny server !citrixwhitelist"?
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11:05<buffoon_work>gsimmons, well, i guess that isn't the matter. i wanted to simplify everything in here a little bit and it seems that i forgot to cut the citrix away =)
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11:07<buffoon_work>but now i think that it goes on because the rule doesn't match here. I guess i should add "http_access allow server whitelist". I said that the deny rule shouldn't be applied but i never said that squid should allow it sow it'll deny it becaus i have a "http_access deny all" rule after this rule
11:07<buffoon_work>I'm trying that now
11:08<buffoon_work>yep, that works
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11:30<golua>Does the official Debian Subversion package do have inbuilt SASL support?
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11:31<themill>judd: depends subversion --release lenny
11:31<judd>themill: subversion -- Depends: libsvn1 (= 1.5.1dfsg1-2), libapr1, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libsasl2-2
11:32<themill>golua: ^^ guess so, by the looks of that
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11:32<golua>themill: but svnserve --version doesn't list sasl support
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11:33<themill>golua: etch or lenny?
11:33<themill>judd: depends subversion --release etch
11:33<judd>themill: subversion -- Depends: libsvn1 (= 1.4.2dfsg1-2), libapr1, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libsvn1 (>= 1.4)
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11:34<golua>Debian 4.1.1-21
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11:35<christoph>never heard of an debian 4.1.*
11:35<themill>what's that from? looks like the gcc version or something
11:35<golua>dmesg says so
11:35<themill>golua: cat /etc/debian_version
11:36<golua>debian_version says 4.0
11:36<djc>dmesg says that where?
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11:36<djc>dmesg is your kernel ring buffer/log
11:36<golua>so it's etch
11:36<themill>golua: right... so that's etch, which has a pretty old and horrid version of svn and sasl support appears not to be built in.
11:36<golua>yes, what a crap
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11:37<golua>does Lenny do have sasl support inbuild?
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11:37<themill>judd: depends subversion --release etch-backports
11:37<judd>themill: subversion -- Depends: libsvn1 (= 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1), libapr1, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libsasl2-2, libsvn1 (>= 1.5.0)
11:37<djc>oh.. thats 'debian gcc .deb version"
11:37<themill>djc: yes.
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11:38<themill>golua: does. But be aware that you can't go backwards from svn 1.5 to svn 1.4 as the on-disk format for both repo and checkout are different.
11:38<metalqga>how can I make nautilus start without loading the entire dekstop and icons? (running it inside fluxbox)
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11:38<djc> --no-desktop
11:38<cox>Hi there..some one already did an USB install??
11:38<djc>man nautilus
11:39<metalqga>thx djc
11:39<golua>this depends subversion command is not working here
11:39<golua>"depends subversion "
11:39<djc>or just open a term window and manipulate your FS the way real unix admins do with cp,mv,rm,etc
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11:39<golua>is there a command preceding
11:40<fxiny>amphi: xmonad :O
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11:40<golua>apt-get depends subversion does not work either
11:40<adb>golua: judd: depends subversion
11:40<djc>cox nobody what?
11:40<themill>golua: "depends" is a command for judd, one of the bots in the channel. If you want subversion 1.5 with sasl support then (a) read up about the changes from 1.4 to 1.5 and (b) /msg dpkg bpo
11:40<azeem>cox: your question is just too vague
11:41<golua>themill: oh ok
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11:41<themill>golua: on your own command line, you'd use "apt-cache depends" not apt-get.
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11:41<cox>azeem: excuse me, i answer before if someone already installed à debian by using a USB key;;;
11:42<djc>cox, Someone probably did, yes
11:42<golua>themill: "apt-cache depends subversion --release etch" does not work, only without release works
11:42<golua>depends subversion --release lenny
11:42<themill>golua: correct. --release only works with judd, the bot here. man apt-cache.
11:42<golua>how do i use this bot?
11:42*fxiny is aliasing apt-get to Jethro Tull "living_in_the_past.mp3" :P
11:43<cox>Have any problem to boot on the key? Mine don't even after i used install mbr
11:43<themill>dpkg: tell golua about judd
11:43<fxiny>aptitude !
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11:43<djc>golua, the command is only of use to get info from the bot here in the channel, not to install whatever it is you are looking for
11:43<metalqga>cox use syslinux, there is a nice how-to somewhere
11:43<themill>(and that info is already in the scrollback)
11:43<azeem>cox: I didn't install *on* a key, so you don't want me to help, right?
11:44<cox>metalqga: i'll check it, thanks
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11:44<golua>depends subversion --release lenny
11:44<golua> <judd> subversion -- Depends: libsvn1 (= 1.5.1dfsg1-2), libapr1, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libsasl2-2
11:44<golua>i will upgrade to lenny, this is easier
11:45<cox>azeem: i don't speak about a live USb, but install using a usB key instaedof a CD-ROM
11:45<metalqga>cox i've done that
11:45<djc>fxiny, oh sure, just ignore all of us using printing terminals, your amazing screen-based program is useless to us!
11:45<azeem>cox: you said your usb-key doesn't boot after installation?
11:45<djc>cox, sounds painful. can you get a usb cdrom drive?
11:46<fxiny>djc: i'm running xmonad+xmobar+dmenu+mrxvt+screen+irssi+xmms2 ;)
11:46*djc scrolls back by pulling the paper backwards
11:46<djc>fxiny, are you choking? anyone know the heimlich?!
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11:47*djc dont even get me started on backspacing
11:47<fxiny>djc: i have awesome installed and wmii but hell . compiling xmonad and xmobar is a dream
11:47<metalqga>djc: it's actually pretty easy
11:47<fxiny>djc: and org-mode++
11:47<jifix>hi i usr debian stable (lenny) and after looking at some websites it stops and i can't see any website
11:47<jifix>on port 80
11:48<cox>djc: sumùmary, i get the bootimg.gz that i unflat using zcat...then cp a netinstall.iso;...but when i boot on USB, it seems that key isn't recognized..
11:48<jifix>if the website is on anyother port i can see it
11:48<djc>yes, but on my printing terminal doesnt have an erase function
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11:48<djc>jifix, sounds like a problem with your $isp or network
11:48<jifix>and i can to anything else like ftp im...
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11:48<djc>or perhaps your firewall/router, if you have one of those
11:48<fxiny>btw : tx to dmm ppl about the latest atrope flash upgrade , just done , no more headeache
11:49<fxiny>flash versions and such amenities :P
11:49<azeem>cox: that's a problem with your hardware then I guess
11:49<cox>djc: i want to use this way cause the cd -rom drive of the laptop awfully sick;;
11:49<fxiny>life is sweet
11:49<jifix>my brother you uses windoes xp an our computers are on a hub which is connected on a router don't can problems
11:49<azeem>cox: see whether you need to change your BIOS setup or something
11:49<djc>cox, perhaps try using an external usb cdrom drive to install
11:50<djc>jifix, rhaps there's some proxy setting you need
11:50<cox>i go and see some doc metalgca give, and i tell you what i fdind;;thanks to all
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11:51<adb>well , /msg dpkg usb install
11:51<jifix>by using the a proxy server nohing change i have to restart my modem in order to work or sometimes my computer
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11:52<magyar_>hi, is there a way to add a user to a group and not haveto logout and in
11:52<djc>magyar_, i dont beleive so
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11:53<djc>I assume you mean 'to gain the new groups membership'
11:53<goodtime>i have 3 users on my client
11:53<goodtime>konversation irc client
11:53<djc>goodtime, ?
11:54<goodtime>but cloneing is usaly frowned apon in irc channels
11:54<djc>goodtime, what are you talking about?
11:54<fxiny>djc: good question :)
11:55<goodtime>you can set up a way to have 3 users in channel
11:55<adb>why ?
11:55<goodtime>3 diff nicks in the same channel
11:55<djc>if it has something to do with magyar_'s question, im pretty certain he was referring to unix users and groups, not irc nicks
11:55<goodtime>i dont realy see the neeed for it either
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11:56<goodtime>oic heh
11:56<gbrun500>Hi to all. Con someone help me with an iptables problem? =/}
11:56<carl_henrik>magyar_: sg
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11:56<carl_henrik>magyar_: Not good, but it may work for you
11:56<djc>gbrun500, not unless you explain what the problem is
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11:57<gbrun500>;) let me explain you... i'm slow 'couse my english's not good at all
11:58<djc>im not saying I am an iptables expert, but if you give a general summary of the problem, someone might be able to help
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11:58<gbrun500>It's a just new debian netinst amd64 installation for a personal server
11:58<djc>if someone can, they will ask for more info, or maybe point you to information on the net
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11:59<gbrun500>with two net cards (in fact, one rj45 and a usb internet modem)
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12:00<gbrun500>and with a little recipe that i found i configured iptables so that the other pcs can navigate
12:00<gbrun500>the problem is that these pcs cant navigate
12:00<gbrun500>i ping the server ( and it's ok
12:00<gbrun500>i ping and it's ok
12:00<djc>ok, you are trying to use your box as a router
12:01<gbrun500>the web client (mozilla or links o ie) seems to find the url
12:01<djc>are you using fixed ip's on the 'other' machiens, or via dhcp?
12:01<gbrun500>but the dont download any data
12:01<gbrun500>fixed ip
12:01<gbrun500> for the box
12:01<djc>do yo uhave the router machine set as the 'default route' ?
12:01<djc>in the 'other' machines
12:01<gbrun500> - 4 for the clients
12:02<djc>ok, did you tell the 'clients' that is their default route?
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12:02<gbrun500>the gateway is
12:02<djc>are the clients unix or windows?
12:02<gbrun500>and the dns too (i installed bind9)
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12:02<gbrun500>one is ubuntu and the other winxp
12:03<djc>what iptables guide did you use
12:03<fxiny>all windows then :P
12:03<djc>fromt the ubuntu machine, can you taceroute by numeric IP to places on the net?
12:03<gbrun500>everyone sees everything
12:03<djc>you can do:
12:03<gbrun500>including external ips
12:03<djc>traceroute -n
12:03<djc>from the client machines?
12:04<djc>and it goes out
12:04<djc>what iptables guide did you use, dod you have a URL?
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12:05<djc>on the ubuntu box, in a shell, can you:
12:05<djc>telnet 80
12:05<gbrun500>no... that the problem
12:05<gbrun500>ping goes wrong
12:05<gbrun500>telnet 80 fails =/
12:05<djc>you can treaceroute but not ping?
12:05<gbrun500>excuse me
12:05<koollman>oh! you broke the internet again! :)
12:05<gbrun500>ping goes good
12:06<gbrun500>telnet goes wrong
12:06<djc>what error do you get when you try telnet
12:06<gbrun500>no error.. it just wait...
12:06<djc>also, i assume you *can* telnet and access web from the 'router' machine?
12:06<gbrun500>yes.. i can
12:07<gbrun500>the most ridiculous is that the SAME configuration on ubuntu installed on the server works fine
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12:07<gbrun500>so i asume that ubuntu does something automatically that debian doesn't...
12:08<djc>wait, you are saying if you put ubuntu on the ;router', and use the same iptables setup, the clients work?
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12:08<gbrun500>that weird i think..
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12:09<weasel>which router?
12:09<weasel>running which OS?
12:09<weasel>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
12:09<djc>he says it worked with ubuntu
12:09<djc>his guide includes that
12:09<fxiny>gbrun500: what cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward say ?
12:10<djc>and he *can* ping and traceroute from client boxes
12:10<weasel>I don't care about his guide
12:10<gbrun500>client(s) => switch => debian pc => internet
12:10<gbrun500>it says 1
12:10<djc>im assuming he followed his guide,
12:10<djc>since he would have no net access from the client machines if not, not even ping
12:10<weasel>paste the output of 'for t in nat filter mangle; do iptables -t $t -vnL; done' somewhere.
12:10<djc>something with tcp or syn is messed up
12:11<djc>perhaps add ifconfig -a as well
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12:12<gbrun500>i cant.. i'm not on the box... i'm at work =/... i thought it could be something easy that comes from my ignorance....
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12:12<gbrun500>when i come back home i will tell you ok?
12:13<gbrun500>excuse me for bothering
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12:17<Allard>hi, i try to start the desktop on debian with startx but it gave me an error: x server not found
12:17<Allard>what should i do to fix this?
12:17<Maulkin>install xserver-xorg?
12:18<Tengu_>and configure your ~/.xinitrc maybe.. ?
12:18<Allard>i thought it was preinstalled in linux lenny?
12:18<Allard>kk, thanks
12:18<Tengu_>it's not ubuntu...
12:18<djc>i would think it was not only preinstalled but also started gui login directly.
12:19<djc>unless you made some install choices that told it not to
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12:22<forest_> is not letting me join this channel from irssi.... but I can join bash from irssi... am i missing something...?
12:22<forest_>#bash I mena
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12:22<djc>what does it do when you try?
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12:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:24<corey>when i boot debian there is no GUI but, it appears to be in terminal. How do I get to the desktop
12:24<Maulkin>forest_: Which channel?
12:24<djc>corey, sounds like something didnt work right on your install
12:24<forest_>djc - actualy it says "banned"
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12:24<forest_>I am testing to make sure it wasn't bc I was logged on to my machine as root...?
12:24<corey>I have been to the desktop before although it is a new install
12:24<djc>colby, try alt-f7
12:24<Maulkin>forest_: which IP are you connecting from?
12:24<corey>djc: I have been to the desktop before although it is a new install
12:24<djc>foolano, ooh, it might be
12:25<forest_>should be
12:25<djc>forest_, it might be rejecting your ident
12:25<Maulkin>17:25 -!- forest []
12:25<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
12:25<Maulkin>forest_: That's why
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12:26<forest_>thanks, that what I though
12:26<corey>djc: someone typed something on my laptop that allowed it to get to the desktop
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12:26<forest_>Actually that was a good reminder that I was still logged in as root on my local machine-- smart policy!
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12:27<corey>djc: someone typed something on my laptop that allowed it to get to the desktop
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12:27<djc>startx would be it
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12:28<djc>assuming it was properly installed and configured
12:28<djbig>hello everybody
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12:28<djbig>can somebody help me to set up portforwarding with firehol?
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12:28<corey>djc: I think its working
12:28<Allard>my monitor says that it has no proper connection when i try the graphic mode of linux? :s
12:29<djc>Allard, your X configuration is probably using a mode that isnt supported by your monitor
12:29<corey>djc: thank you very much! It is working now
12:30<Allard>how can, it is a damn new acer monitor :s
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12:32<djbig>can somebody help me to set up portforwarding and allowing only 1 ip to acces my db server behind my firewall?
12:32<djbig>(using firehol)
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12:32<djc>Allard, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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12:33<fxiny>boom :P
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12:34<Allard>djc, i'm gonna try that, thanks
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12:40<djbig>when portforwarding with firehol do I need redirect nat to-source or nat to-destination?
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12:43<valdyn>djbig: to-destination
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12:48<djbig>can you give me an example valdyn?
12:49<djbig>if i want to forward any packet from WANIP1:PORT1 to LANIP1:PORT1 what should i insert in firehol.conf?
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13:01<djbig>can somebody help me to set up a portforwarding rule in firehol?
13:01<Reached>Hey. I was originally going with Slackware but I was told debian is more beginner friendly. What should I get for a very old laptop? i386 right?
13:02<Reached>I would like to do a netinstall if I can. Its hooked up to broadband.
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13:03<fxiny>any known xmonad/iceweasel key collisions ? my x froze
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13:04<fxiny>i bet firebug did it
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13:05<servidor>para entrar en ubuntu-es please
13:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:07<urbinek>o can't install wine, i've got error: libldap2 (>=2.1.17-1) but it is not installable
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13:09<djc>urbinek, how are you trying to install?
13:09<djc>using apt-get/aptitude/synaptic?
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13:09<urbinek>apt-get -f install wine
13:09<fxiny>f is bad
13:09<djc>also try apt-get update
13:10<fxiny>why are you forcing it ?
13:10<urbinek>fxiny: habit, some times fixes errors
13:10<sepski>urbinek, are you sure you'r sources.list is sane ?
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13:11<djc>from what im reading in man apt-get, its not something you want to use unless you are specifically trying to fix something
13:11<fxiny>oh damn . could it be flash upgrade freezing my x ?
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13:11<urbinek>djc: i cant upgrade, frozen packages
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13:12<djc>urbinek, maybe thats the problem
13:12<fxiny>urbinek: i strongly believe in aptitude ability to sort things out , what aptitude -s install wine says ?
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13:12<urbinek>mu repo >
13:12<fxiny>unofficial ? i see
13:13<urbinek>fxiny: aptitude is trying to crrect problems
13:13<urbinek>apply ?
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13:13<fxiny>urbinek: i'm still able to run a very old wine version in lenny : Installed: 0.0.20041019-1
13:13<peej>I have a dell xps m1330 with lspci giving: BCM4312. The blobware from broadcom loads up and the kernel (lenny .26) says it is BCM4315. suggestions?
13:14<djc>peej, does it work?
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13:14<peej>scanning doesn't show anything.
13:14<peej>sorry, shows an error:
13:14<peej>eth1 Failed to read scan data : Invalid argument
13:15<djc>whered you get this blobware
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13:15<urbinek>fxiny: i can't install via aptitude
13:16<fxiny>urbinek: any warnings/errors ?
13:16<peej>broadcom site:
13:16<fxiny>urbinek: anyway : dpkg -i <libwine_first> then wine
13:16<peej>followed notes at :
13:16<fxiny>but i do only aptitude
13:16<djc>peej, maybe you got the wrong one?
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13:17<peej>djc: :-) I'll check again...
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13:19<urbinek>problem solved, bad repos
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13:20<fxiny>is anyopne having problems with dmm latest flash upgrade flashplayer-mozilla_1%3a10.0.22.87-0.1_i386.deb ? i'm trying to troubleshoot a damn X freeze
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13:21<fxiny>could be flash , or some key collisions iceweasel-xmonad
13:21<peej>djc, no such luck. I guess I can try some other kernels. This machine is 64 bit after all.
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13:22<urbinek>hmm, is there any way to install Firefox on debian ? not Ice Weasel
13:22<djc>iceweasel *is* firefox
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13:22<djc>exact same code, just without the (TM) name
13:22<fxiny>djc: only when it crashes ;)
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13:23<urbinek>so why there is IW ? not Fx
13:24<sepski>!why iceweasel
13:24<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
13:24<uandeslau>your names is
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13:24<urbinek>mhm, that's suck
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13:24<urbinek>but opera is still better :D
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13:25<sepski>urbinek, it's just a name change. it's of utterly no consequence except the pain to have to explain it over and over again on irc. :P
13:25<fxiny>i am a hero : to compile xmonad conf i installed : " Other libraries --> added 1440" :)))
13:25<uandeslau>man or woman??
13:25<mataii>I'm trying to learn Debian so I install 4 r6 on the hp server
13:25<mataii>then i add proxy by http_export.. and ftp_export....
13:25*peej is disgusted with natwest bank. fails with iceweasel, works with firefox. Idiots.
13:25<urbinek>sepski: another pain in the ass :)
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13:25<mataii>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
13:25<mataii>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=43 time=135 ms
13:26<mataii>I'm trying apt-get php5 or apt-get update and nothing
13:26<mataii>I recive "Error etch/updates/contrib Packages
13:26<mataii>400 Bad Request [IP: 80]"
13:26<christian>anyone know what file I would look at to view my server's DNS cache?
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13:27<djc>mataii, if you want to find out if a specific record is cached or not, I beleive part of digs output indicates that
13:27<christian>we just wanna see the whole list of what the server has cached
13:28<djc>i think bind supports the ability to dump its cache.. man named
13:28<djc>any particular reason? or just curious
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13:28<christian>we're just having a DNS issue at an elementary school running Mac Server ( I know it's a bit different but thought it might give me a clue)
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13:29<mataii>I'm green :( this are my first steps, I'm inside small network trough proxy server
13:29<petemc>osx uses lookupd, which debian doesnt
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13:30<mataii><djc> ok I try man named
13:31*peej discovers wifi card has 255mW power option :-)
13:32<djc>mataii, what was assuming you are running named (bind)
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13:32<djc>if you need to look at what a mac osx server has cached, you're in the wrong channel
13:32<petern>exactly the maximum value of a signed byte... coincidence?
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13:34<djc>signed would be 127
13:34<christian>yes I know I'm in the wrong channel and sorry for the question, but I think you guys have given me some good answers and I thank you
13:34<fxiny>peej: 255mW ? good for killing mosquitoes :P
13:34<djc>not trying to kick you out
13:34<christian>just wanted a general location of where that list would be found on a ubuntu server to see if it was in the same general area
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13:35<djc>just saying we arent likely to know how to check the cache of a mac servers dns.. well.. unless its running bind
13:35<christian>oh no worries I didn't take it that way
13:35<djc>or ubuntu
13:35<peej>fxiny: for a very small cup of tea :-)
13:35<djc>although its more likely to be running bind than osx
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13:36<mataii><djc> I have linux proxy
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13:36<djc>you want to check the dns cache on the linux router/server, not on the mac box
13:37<djc>yeah.. look in the bind documentation.. it has some way of giving it a signal to dump its cache.. might have to specify what file to dump to in the config somwhere
13:37<enouf>heh ~$ sudo strings /var/lib/ntop/dnsCache.db
13:37<fxiny>enouf: you ok ? :)
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13:38<mataii>I want :) install some php squid..... . Pings are working so wdns are working I think??
13:38<enouf>fxiny: -ot please
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13:39<christoph>is there any reason for EXIM not to use TLS? there are emails comming in that pass by tls from a to b then go unencrypted from b to c just to start using tls again from c to d ...
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13:39<djc>a, b, c, and d are all different servers?
13:40<djc>each server will do what it is configured to do
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13:41<christian><djc> thanks for your help
13:41<djc>if you control b, and it is supposed to connect to c using TLS, then you'll want to check its config
13:41<djc>christian, find what you were looking for?
13:41<christian>I think so, for the most part
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13:42<christian>thanks again
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13:42<djc>no prob.
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13:42<djc>if you dont control b, but whoever does has some responsibility to you to use tls to relay mail to c, then you'll want to contact that person
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13:43<djc>if b is just some random server on the net, then you probably have no say in wether it uses TLS to connect to C or anything else
13:44<adama>I have a process that will not stop, and is killing my cpu... root 13731 86.2 0.0 0 0 ? ZN Mar01 1268:43 \_ [aqua_1.13_i686-] <defunct>
13:44<djc>defunct processes arent really 'there' any more
13:44<djc>the cpu you see is the total it used before dying
13:44<adama>well it is sure eating my cpu
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13:45<djc>I see a \_
13:45<djc>suggesting it has a parent?
13:45<barnes>adama use top to see what process is useing cputime
13:45<blackmamba>salve a tutti
13:45<djc>it wont go away until the parent does
13:45<dpkg>one warez list being sent to blackmamba
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13:48<djc>I love it when someone comes in and asks a question about something, you take the time to ask a followup question and offer some suggestions, and they dont even respond
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13:50<adama>sorry my computer is being very slow and I am doing things
13:51<NinaNina>geforce4 mx4000 does not work on lenny?
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13:51<djc>adama, i asnt referring to you
13:51<adama>I did get the process killed by kill -9 <parent pid> but something else is now killing the CPU still
13:51<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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13:53<adama>top says Cpu(s): 7.8%us, 3.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 43.1%id, 45.3%wa, 0.5%hi, 0.2%si, 0.0%st
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13:54<adama>Xorg is at the top of the list, and stops responding rfrequently
13:54<djc>you want to look at the 'top' processes to see whats using the most cpu
13:54<adama>but it's only like 20% CPU
13:55<djc>what is 'aqua' anyway?
13:55<adama>what's this id and wa things?
13:55<AzaTht>if I have an customer requesting help using pptp, how should I respond you think?
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13:55<djc>AzaTht, do you support pptp?
13:56<adama>it was a project computation on the BOINC system
13:56<djc>that is completely impenetrable to me..
13:56<djc>what software is 'aqua'
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13:56<adama>boinc was the parent, which died only with kill -9
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13:57<djc>what is boinc?
13:57<adama>distributed computing
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13:57<adama>like seti @home
13:57<AzaTht>djc: it's not like we are officially supporting pptp, it's mearly if I should help him using pptp, or try to help him use anything more wise
13:57<djc>I see
13:58<djc>adama, you might want to reboot.. perhaps that software is unsable
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13:58<djc>AzaTht, I guess that depends on your expertise with pptp, what your company's relation with this customer is, etc..
13:59<djc>im not really sure thats a question anyone here can answer
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14:05<adama>ok it was firefox-bin apparently
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14:05<adama>killed that and running smooth now
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14:06<adama>RAM usage dropped 90%
14:06<panfist>how can i reference all of the output that scrolls by when the system starts up
14:06<panfist>like...dmesg|grep something
14:06<Klayd>yo people. need your help
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14:07<Klayd>how can i install 9.2 ATI Catalyst on Debian 5?
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14:08<Klayd>its an error "bad interpretator"
14:08<stew>Klayd: what command gave you that error?
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14:09<Klayd>sh /way to file downloaded from ATI website
14:10<Klayd>and trying -listpkg has a seem result
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14:10<stew>Klayd: what is -listpkg ?
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14:11<stew>Klayd: what is "9.2 ATI Catalyst" ?
14:11<panfist>i keep getting this line in my dmesg that is kind of worrying me: ata1: failed due to HW bug, retry pmp=0 --
14:11<Klayd>it's videodrivers o_O
14:11<panfist>i get it for ata1 through ata6
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14:12<enoch>i have a prob with flashplayer
14:12<enoch>i see sync errors in the video from youtube...
14:12<stew>Klayd: can you show us the output of "hexdump $filename | head -1" for whatever file you are having trouble with?
14:12<enoch>i'm using lenny with nvidia-glx, xcompmgr, screenlets and flashplayer 10 from debian-multimidia repos
14:13<simonrvn>that's flash's fault. it's cpu intensive, and videos aren't always in sync with their audio. you can't do much about it.
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14:13<enoch>the problem is not the audio
14:13<enoch>i have problem with v-sync sorry
14:13<enoch>i see some lines on my screen when the camera move
14:14<enoch>i think is a xcompmgr problem
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14:14<enoch>how can i configure xcompmgr?
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14:15<enoch>or can you suggest me a light alternative to compiz?
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14:17<djc>klando, you dont want to install 'video drivers' that way.. for the most part, the Xorg server included with debian will work with most common videocards with no additional 'stuff'
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14:20<djc>this appears related:
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14:24<enoch>if i try flashplayer 9 from lenny backports?
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14:33<Cadmium01>How is it possible, that local setting would be used on a machine that I am sshing into?
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14:41<And1>Anyone knows where I can get a jdownloader .deb?
14:42<djc>what is jdownloader?
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14:43<Klayd>Русские есть?! ^o^
14:43<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
14:44<djc>Русскоязычные, пожалуйста, используйте #
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14:45<Klayd>не могу с кодировкой разобраться. мой первый день в линуксе t-t
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14:46<Klayd>maybe somebody can help me with installing koi-8r? to all russians
14:46<djc>Я переводе с Google - вы можете получить помощь в России, если вы идете на #debian-russian @
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14:47<Klayd>thx a lot, djc
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14:47<t0aster>can wine run bat files?
14:47<fxiny>sorted my x crash : iceweasel-plugin showed flash 9 and flash 10 at the same time . dmm upgraded /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla , old /usr/lib mozilla and iceweasle pointing to flash 9
14:48<Klayd>but my another trouble with encoding on #debian-russia
14:48<djc>wine can run, if you have it
14:48<fxiny>pretty spooky
14:48<djc>and you can run batch files there
14:49<t0aster>djc do i have to have a copy of
14:49<djc>be rather hard to run it if you dont
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14:50<djc>google freedos
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14:51<amjad>Is there any that allows me to see constant output of ps
14:51<amjad>Is there any way that allows me to see constant output of ps
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14:51<djc>watch ps
14:51<djc>or top
14:51<t0aster>it fialed
14:51<amjad>I want to see the command line options of some processes
14:52<djc>t0aster, what failed?
14:52<amjad>watch does not show me that as it runs every 1 s
14:52<djc>t0aster, uh. did you obtain first?
14:52<djc>and copy it into your wine c_drive ?
14:53<amjad>same with top, also it does not show the options used to start the command
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14:53<fxiny>try htop
14:53<djc>what do you need to run a batch file for anyway?
14:53<metalqga>if a browser crashes, first look at flash-plugin ...
14:53<djc>whats in it? whats it supposed to do?
14:54<djc>generally batch files were for scripting on dos/windows systems.. not really sure what the point would be in wine
14:54<t0aster>decompress some files with dec.exe
14:54<fxiny>metalqga: what if you have *two* ? :P
14:54<hesse>servus all
14:54<t0aster>it's for a win32 app
14:54<djc>compressed with what?
14:54<metalqga>dual channel flash :P
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14:54<djc>install unarc?
14:54<dkr>amjad: top can display the whole commandline,
14:54<fxiny>double dare
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14:55<t0aster>djc: not in my repos
14:55<djc>hrm. im sure theres *nix sw that can extract from .arc
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14:55<t0aster>i have ark installed
14:55<amjad>dkr, it refreshes every sec while the command I was to see runs very fast
14:55<fxiny>it can happen . mine is a sarge-2-etch-2-lenny box
14:55<t0aster>not sure what else i need
14:56<djc>if you can, link/send me one of those files and let me see what I can do with it
14:56<fxiny>so i bet both flash kicked in and x froze
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14:56<dkr>amjad: the refresh period is adjustable
14:56<t0aster>found it
14:56<t0aster>djc: they are rather large
14:56<djc>found what? sw to unarc?
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14:57<t0aster>i found unarc on freshmeat
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14:58<djc>yeah I found that. no .deb tho
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14:59<djc>could compile by hand.. pia tho
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14:59<oipunx>hi, I have a usb flash drive with no partition on it as seen in fdisk, but disktype say there is an old partition I used to install debian
14:59<djc>its pd.. no reason it couldnt be in debian
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15:00<oipunx>how do I completely delete it?
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15:00<djc>just make a new partition table, and mkfs whatever fs you want on it
15:00<djc>no need to 'delete'.. just overwrite
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15:01<dkr>crap, you broke it
15:02<djc>t0aster, dare I ask what on earth you've obtained in *arc* format?
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15:02<djc>I mean, arc was obsolete before windows95 cam out
15:03<djc>anyone old enough to remember SEAWare vs PKWare ?
15:03<t0aster>haha pkware
15:03<koollman>hmm. yes. but I was a young kid
15:03<dkr>nomarch says "This package is very useful for E-Mail virus scanner scripts for attachement unpacking." so maybe virus makers still use .arc because it might be an unfiltered way in due to its rarity
15:03<djc>the zip format originated with pk
15:03<fxiny>pkware super powers ? :P
15:03<djc>becuase SEA had a 'patent' on .arc and sued pk
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15:04<djc>I think every BBS in the US converted to zip within days of when pkware released pkzip
15:04<djc>and arc died, and few remember it
15:04<djc>and even end-clusers know what a zip file is today
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15:05<djc>dkr, yeah, but if no one has an unarc-er how would they install the virus?
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15:05<oipunx>djc: it still shows the old partition
15:06<djc>oipunx, i thought you said fdisk coulndt see any partitions?
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15:06<oipunx>yeah but disktype can
15:06<djc>whatever you are using to see the partition, use it to delete all the partitions and make a new one
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15:06<djc>wtf is disktype
15:06<oipunx>!dpkg disktype
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15:06<oipunx>or not..
15:07<fxiny>it checks isos
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15:07<djc>oh.. you wrote a raw iso to it
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15:07<djc>.iso doesnt use 'partitions'
15:07<djc>just use fdisk to make a new partition
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15:07<djc>and then mkfs it
15:08<oipunx>well i did and the old one still shows up as using 238mb
15:08<djc>and who cares what disktype shows
15:08<djc>shows up where?
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15:08<djc>there is no 'old' partition
15:08<djc>make a partition, taking up the whole device..
15:08<djc>then mkfs it
15:08<djc>and mount it
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15:09<djc>then use it for whatever
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15:09<oipunx>it doesnt get recognize sometimes
15:09<oipunx>with those two
15:09<oipunx>like it works if you mount it here
15:10<oipunx>but it wouldnt work if I try to mount it on kvm
15:10<oipunx>or on some windows machine
15:10<djc>what fs type did you use?
15:10<oipunx>hold on let me put on pastbin
15:10<djc>when you mkfs
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15:11<djc>if you want to use it in windows, you'll need vfat
15:11<t0aster>i tried this vmware-vdiskmanager -x 15Gb freedos.vmdk
15:11<t0aster>er, ignore that
15:11<djc>djc, and you'll need to set the partition type appropriate in fdisk so windows sees it as vfat
15:12<oipunx>i did use vfat..
15:12<djc>ok one sec
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15:14<djc>ok looks like your 'disktype' is doing a string pattern match.. becuase the data is still on there and not overwritten, its finding that.. or something.. do this:
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15:14<djc>dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdf count=10240
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15:14<djc>(making sure sdf is still the usb stick)
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15:14<djc>then start over with fdisk
15:15<oipunx>0+0 records in
15:15<oipunx>0+0 records out
15:15<oipunx>0 bytes (0 B) copied, 9.87e-06 s, 0.0 kB/s
15:15<djc> //dev/zer
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15:15<djc>not null
15:15<djc>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdf count=10240
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15:16<oipunx>let me try fdisk again
15:16<djc>you might
15:16<djc>want to make the single partition
15:16<djc>partition number 4
15:16<djc>instead of 1
15:16<djc>i seem to remember windows likes that
15:16<djc>for some reason
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15:20<oipunx>nice it's not showing up anymore
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15:20<oipunx>let me try under kvm see if it works
15:20<dpkg>[kvm] kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios.
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15:21<djc>i assume you mean the latter, and I assume you mean 'under windows in my vm'
15:21<djc>since kvm itself isnt an OS
15:22<oipunx>yeah i use virtual machine to run windows
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15:23<djc>anyway.. one thing to keep in mind 'disktype' doesnt show partitions, it just looks for string patterns.. that '238M' wasnt an amount of space 'taken', it was probably a size attribute in the .iso header it found
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15:23<djc>and it shouldnt have mattered.. but who knows what things can confuse windows
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15:24<djc>i am off
15:24<djc>good luck
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15:39<marcio>can we talk about c programming here?
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15:47<t0aster>some apps i'm installing from source are all ending up in /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin. is there a fix for this? what prefix would i want to use to have them end up in /usr/bin?
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15:50<sepski>t0aster, that question is usualy worded the other way around. you should feel yourself lucky you WANT source stuff in /usr/local usually
15:50<t0aster>then what? just create a symbolic link?
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15:50<Gathond>t0aster: just add /usr/local/bin to the path?
15:50<Gathond>assuming it is not already there
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15:51<t0aster>gathond: i haven't had any luck getting that to work
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15:58<maxb>t0aster: You're supposed to put stuff you build from source in /usr/local. The way it works is /usr is for the distro, /usr/local is for the local sysadmin to do what they want.
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15:58<t0aster>so how would you add /usr/local/bin to the path. i've tried it a few times but i haven't fot it right yet.
15:58<maxb>Well, on any normal system, it'll be there by default
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15:59<edinho>ness esse lance e cabulozo
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16:00<t0aster>it is
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16:01<edinho>seguinte não to conseguindo entra nos chat's dos site e nem consigo ver videos no youtube alguem sabe como faço???
16:01<edinho>alguem fala portugues ai???
16:02<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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16:08<t0aster>back. i cant seem to create a symbolic link
16:09<t0aster>i was using 'ln -s /home/toaster/appdir/app app'
16:09<t0aster>is there something wrong with that?
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16:11<indiyon>me aburro
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16:11<maxb>t0aster: always always post the exact error messages when something goes wrong
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16:12<t0aster>nm. i fixed
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16:21<natansietuniedostanie5369_>jest tu ktos???
16:22<natansietuniedostanie5369_>chyba niema .[[
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16:22<g3org3s>hello .. can anyone suggest to me plz a soft for proxy servers under debian ?
16:24<g3org3s>Torsten_W do you if with squid i can restrict access thru usernames and passwords ?
16:24<Torsten_W>read the doku
16:24<g3org3s>ok =) 10x
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16:26<spettit>hey all
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16:28<spettit>i have just installed Lenny on a Via EPIA 5000 with a 500 533 mhz proc and 1 gig of ram. it seems to be dragging worse than i thought it would. I don't plan on using this box for any heavy lifting, but I would like to hear some suggestions on making in run a bit lighter.
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16:33<ml>spettit: what is it running now?
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16:35<spettit>ml: i'm not sure what you mean by 'what'. it's running debian lenny on a base VIA EPIA 5000
16:35<oipunx>if u did a manual install it shouldnt have any extra processes
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16:36<ml>i mean as DE
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16:36<spettit>okay it's running gnome, i also have synergy running on it, but that's it
16:37<spettit>it's pretty flat
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16:37<ml>you should try xfce or better yet a WM like openbox
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16:38<frank>maybe fluxbox
16:38<oipunx>fluxbox is best :)
16:38<ml>heh i prefer openfox
16:38<dr|z3d>Depends what your needs are; Xfce works well for some.
16:38<ml>openbox even
16:39<dr|z3d>If you're used to Gnome, then Xfce is easy.
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16:40<spettit>i've used xfce, kde, and gnome... i think i've touched fluxbox before
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16:41<oipunx>fluxbox is the fastest i've used
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16:59<retroj>hello. `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' reported the following "hostname --fqdn did not return a fully qualified name" It said I need to configure my /etc/hosts. I am running a simple desktop system, not an internet server. what should my fully qualified domain name be?
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17:10<brian>elo elo elo
17:11<retroj>hi. what should my hostname be on a simple desktop machine? I thought it could be anything, and I set it to "jupiter", but exim4 complains that it is not a valid fully qualified domain name
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17:14<petemc>retroj: do you plan on sending any mail with that machine?
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17:14<retroj>petemc: yes. I am configuring exim4 to use my ISP as a smarthost
17:15<petemc>i dont think it will matter much in that case
17:15<petemc>but its easy to configure a fqdg, just add entries to /etc/hosts foo
17:16<retroj>`/etc/init.d/exim4 restart' complains: "hostname --fqdn did not return a fully qualified name, dc_minimaldns will not work. Please fix your /etc/hosts setup."
17:16<petemc>i think thats just a warning tho
17:16<petemc>at least it should be
17:17<retroj>sending mail with the `mail' command does not seem to send them to the ISP
17:17<petemc>what do the logs say?
17:17<retroj>which log?
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17:18<petemc> /var/log/exim4/mainlog
17:18<petemc>dont paste here tho
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17:20<retroj>need to experiment a bit
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17:24<Tekno> <-lol
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17:25<retroj> I have an authentication problem with my ISP. that may be the only problem
17:25<spettit>thanks for the advice
17:25<spettit>i installed xfce and it's running 100x better
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17:25<dpkg>one warez list being sent to stracqua
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17:35<Athunye>I've installed the junior-math package, but can't figure out how to open or use it. Any hints ?
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17:37<dkr>Athunye: cd /usr/share/doc/junior-math and read the README or other documents you find there? :)
17:37<Athunye>dkr: OK. Thanks :)
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17:39<Athunye>That did not help :(
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17:46<Aaron_I>howdy all!
17:47<Aaron_I>was wondering where to look for improving real time preemtion in lenny?
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17:47<Aaron_I>so better desktop experience rather than background processes...
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17:54<Aaron_I>would there be a better place to ask this question?
17:55<nosklo>Aaron_I, I think you can recompile the kernel to change the scheduler policy
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17:57<WayneSallee>How do I change what server it gets updates from?
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17:59<streuner>WayneSallee: /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:59<streuner>WayneSallee: /msg dpkg sources.list
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18:00<WayneSallee>Also where can I find an up to date list of available servers?
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18:00<streuner>WayneSallee: /msg dpkg mirrors
18:00<themill>WayneSallee: is the only entry
18:00<streuner>if you using stable/lenny
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18:01<WayneSallee>I'm still on Etch
18:01<WayneSallee>Still trying to get wireless to work
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18:01<streuner>upgrade to lenny
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18:02<WayneSallee>the server keeps eroring out.
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18:02<WayneSallee>best way to upgrade to lenny after I get the server working?
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18:02<WayneSallee>connection to server that is.
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18:05<WayneSallee>Currently I've been using the texas one.
18:05<WayneSallee>I thought I'd try a diferent one.
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18:05<WayneSallee>can I take the cd rom entries out of that list?
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18:06<WayneSallee>so that it stops asking me for the cd rom
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18:06<WayneSallee>How does it decide the default, is it always the first one one the list?
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18:08<themill>WayneSallee: just comment it out with a #
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18:08<kriebel>I am trying Xen with Lenny and my domU hangs just at/after starting cron
18:08<simonrvn>because it prioritizes local sources first.
18:08<WayneSallee>I'm on windows now, what's a good irc client for Debian?
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18:09<kriebel>WayneSallee: if you use gnome, xchat-gnome is nice and simple
18:09<kriebel>if you like the command line, irssi is very good
18:09<kriebel>if xchat-gnome appears to suck, install the real xchat
18:10<WayneSallee>It won't let me save the changes to the list.
18:10<dkr>Athunye: aha, there is a separate junior-doc package which contains a guide
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18:10<WayneSallee>Yea, I use gome,,, I'll try xchat
18:11<WayneSallee>What's the real xchat?
18:11<kriebel>the package "xchat"
18:12<kriebel>instead of xchat-gnome
18:12<kriebel>the latter hides some preferences and advanced features of the UI
18:13<kriebel>it seems the gnome people think that a bunch of grannies are using Linux and so the UI needs to be really simple
18:13<dkr>Athunye: the project seems a bit dated/incomplete though, it seems the point is just to categorize other packages. and the junior-math ones for now just installs xaos and bsdgames for some reason
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18:13<WayneSallee>Ok, I just now downloaded xchat. I hope it's easy to install.
18:13<kriebel>has someone showed you debian?
18:13<WayneSallee>I never could get it to let me save the list file.
18:13<kriebel>just use the gui...
18:13<dkr>kriebel: welcome to 1997 when we were making the same complaints about hiding all the netscape options and making control the default meta key
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18:14<themill>WayneSallee: you have to edit the sources.list as root
18:14<WayneSallee>ok thanks
18:14<kriebel>WayneSallee: are you talking about sources.list or something in x-chat?
18:15<kriebel>isn't there a gui for debian-mirror-select or whatever it's calleD?
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18:15<kriebel>I thought I saw one once
18:15<dpkg>a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
18:15<spettit>i've always liked xchat and bitchx
18:15<WayneSallee>Well my time is running out, got to run. I'll try it later when I get back. Thanks!
18:15<kriebel>dkr: your beard is longer than mine. I hadn't used Linux yet in '97
18:16<kriebel>although, I was only 14
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18:17<ooter>wow apt-spy, ya learn somethin new every day
18:17*kriebel is running it now
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18:17<ooter>apt-file is another handy one I learned about a week or two ago
18:17<ooter>helped me track down some .h I needed
18:18<kriebel>wtf... why does apt-file suggest some KDE packages
18:19<dkr>kriebel: it wasn't meant to be taken literally. "on the internet no one knows you're a dog" etc.. just pointing out that dumbing down interfaces is far from a new thing. :)
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18:22<kriebel>quiet evening
18:22<kriebel>I guess openprojects is still a bigger network
18:22<kriebel>gah, I mean freenode
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18:38<dkr>kriebel: hah, now you sound old, calling it by it's name of 8?9? years ago
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18:40*dkr looked it up, 2002, so almost 7 years
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18:47<xjunior>hi, i'm with a big problem here. seem that my "fn" key is always pressed (actually, the the fn key functionality is inverted), but only when i'm logged on gnome. on gdm it's "ok". can somebody help me to fix it?
18:47<darrell>hi everyone
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18:49<ooter>hi darrell
18:49<darrell>how you doing ooter?
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18:50<ooter>I'm doin alright
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18:50<ooter>just browsin reddit
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18:52<darrell> anyone have any ideas as to why I migh only see CLI when I use tightvncserver to veiw a seedbox i am trying to set up ?
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19:02<ooter>darrell: look at the note at the bottom of this: apt-cache show depends tightvncserve
19:02<kriebel>darrell: what's a seedbox?
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19:29<bernas>hi all... please can someone help me? I have a HP notebook, core2duo... which version of debian should I choose?
19:30<koollman>no. amd64 or i386
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19:31<koollman>ia64 is intel itanium . you do not have that kind of hardware. no one does :)
19:31<bernas>hmmm... ok... thanks koollman
19:31<flokireal>hi, i newly installed debian lenny with lxde. any users of lxde?
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19:33<flokireal>can you suggest me a mutimedia player? light-wight one?
19:33<bernas>koollman, but if I choose i386, can I use both of proccessors?
19:33<koollman>bernas: that's not related. yes. you will be able to use them
19:33<koollman>bernas: the difference is 32bits or 64bits environment
19:33<bernas>sorry my lack of knowledge...
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19:35<bernas>koollman: could u explain me the difference between the amd64 and the i386?
19:35<flokireal>oipnux: i will try mplayer. thanks!
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19:37<koollman>bernas: it would be rather long to explain, and it's 1:36 am here. basically, if you are hesitating, go with i386
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19:37<bernas>ok. thanks
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19:38<ooter>i read something about the differences once w/ windows
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19:38<ooter>it had something to do with how much memory gets used/recognized
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19:39<flokireal>i have an other question. which system monitor program is better for lxde? a program that does the same job as gnome system monitor.
19:40<ooter>well there's always gkrellm, or even just running top in a terminal
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19:41<shze>how do I get the ap-get policy pkg information for a source package?
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19:43<ooter>apt-cache policy or apt-cache show
19:43<themill>or showsrc
19:43<dondelelcaro>there's no real policy information for source packages
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19:44<shze>apt-cache show|policy dont print information for src pkgs.
19:44<shze>is there a way to see where a src-pkg comes from in the out of apt-cache showsrc?
19:46<themill>shze: what are you trying to find out?
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19:46<shze>themill: I have various deb-src lines in my sources.list, how do I see from which one a src-pkg comes?
19:47<themill>shze: ahh. when you download using apt-get source?
19:47<shze>themill: yes, exactly
19:48<themill>shze: you need to force that by specifying the exact package version with "apt-get soure packagename=1.23-4".
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19:48<themill>get the package version from apt-cache policy packagename
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19:49<shze>themill: that only works if you have the same deb and deb-src lines in sources.list, but I only have the deb-src for experimental...
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19:50<themill>shze: apt-cache showsrc packagename will still show you the package version
19:50<shze>themill: yeah, but not the repository
19:51<shze>and the debian website is not always up to date...
19:51<themill>shze: apt does not distinguish on repositories, only the version
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19:52<shze>themill: thanks, will try apt-cache showsrc
19:52<themill>shze: you can always just use dget with the dsc file from your mirror
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19:53<shze>themill: good idea, will try that. thanks a lot!
19:54<sysop2>is there a way to low level format a thumb drive in debian?
19:55<dmoerner>sysop2, use fdisk to rewrite its partition table. use mkfs.* to put the correct file system on it. if you need to wipe the mbr of the flash drive, install syslinux and then dd if=/usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/your-drive
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19:59<sysop2>the problem is fdisk wont read it
19:59<sysop2>does fdisk /mbr work in linux the way it did in dos?
19:59<sysop2>dmesg shows it connecting with errors and it shows up in /dev
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20:06<ogre>first day debian user. i am getting error "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "firmware-iwlwifi"" when trying to install wireless firmware via aptitude
20:07<dmoerner>ogre, you need to enable non-free and contrib in /etc/apt/sources.list. /msg dpkg non-free
20:07<ogre>dmoerner, thanks alot buddy :)
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20:41<rsoutelino>did anyone have trouble with display on Debian 5?
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20:43<rsoutelino>I have a black screen after my installation, and the xorg.conf is different in debian 5
20:43<kriebel>I havn't installed a machine with X yet
20:43<kriebel>can you got to a text-mode virtual terminal?
20:44<rsoutelino>I solved the problem running dpkg-reconfigure in debian 4, but this command only have keyboard configuration options on debian 5
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20:44<kriebel> is really good at autodetecting things
20:45<kriebel>if you can get to a text console, look through the log in /var/log/X.0.log or whatever
20:45<kriebel>to see what it's failing at
20:46<rsoutelino>the error message says that the frequency of the monitor is set wrong, and apparently the screen resolution, but the xorg.conf is too much different from last stable version
20:46<rsoutelino>i am gonna check this
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20:48<rsoutelino>what should i look for in this file?
20:48<kriebel>not much
20:49<kriebel>unless you use a 3rd party driver
20:49<kriebel>actually, just rename it out of the way and try again
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20:50<rsoutelino>I am not using such driver. I've just instaled the system and no errors ocurred during the instalation, but the first log in ended in a black screen
20:51<rsoutelino>my monitor is a 19" LCD widescreen
20:51<rsoutelino>i don't even know what driver the system is using, because the xorg.conf don't have this information
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20:52<rsoutelino>have you already seen the debian 5 xorg.conf?
20:52<kriebel>I've seen one in Lenny before it was stable
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20:52<rsoutelino>Section "InputDevice"
20:52<rsoutelino> Identifier "Configured Mouse"
20:52<rsoutelino> Driver "mouse"
20:52<rsoutelino>Section "Device"
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20:54<rsoutelino>Section "Device"
20:54<rsoutelino> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
20:54<rsoutelino>isn't it weird?
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20:56<rsoutelino>right now i am remotely accessing this machine, is it possible to reboot the machine remotely and have access to a shell without being able to press alt+F1?
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20:58<kriebel>rsoutelino: just tell gdm or whatever not to start in the default runlevel
20:58<kriebel>gdm runs as a service
20:59<rsoutelino>just a second
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21:00<ircleuser>somebody from italy?
21:01<rsoutelino>I'm rebooting the machine......
21:01<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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21:07<burnclouds>s-video question
21:08<burnclouds>I have a 9100 IGP mobility. I'm trying to get iceweasel on my s-video display
21:08<burnclouds>The best I can get is black and white fuzz
21:08<burnclouds>I tried xrandr --addmode S-video "800x600"
21:08<burnclouds>xrandr --output S-video --mode "800x600"
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21:09<burnclouds>but thats how i get the fuzz
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21:12<Tekno>you need xrandr --newmode also
21:12<Tekno>at first command
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21:24<Necrun>hi, i have an issue with NeworkManagerD it's loading a lot of CPU, like 89%, does anyone know why?
21:25<Gun_Smoke>Anyway to check how long a process has been running? Specifically dd. top report 18:08.04 but that can't be right.
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21:28<dkr>Gun_Smoke: ps has a START field
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21:28<ameyer>I'm getting a new computer with a Core2Duo in a few weeks (or less if Dell is playing their normal shipping games). Should I install AMD64 or i386?
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21:29<dkr>Gun_Smoke: you can also send a USR1 signal to dd for it to output some stats
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21:29<ameyer>and, for what it's worth, I know that the main reasons to go with i386 on 64 bit hardware have been Flash, Java, and codecs.
21:29<stew>ameyer: i don't believe those are still valid reasons
21:30<stew>depending on exactly what you mean by 'codecs'
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21:31<ameyer>the proprietary crap that doesn't have free drivers available
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21:31<ameyer>though, as far as I can tell, w64codecs does exist
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21:32<Gun_Smoke>dkr, I can't find much on USR1. How is that implemented?
21:32<ameyer>as far as I can tell, there's a flash 10 alpha for AMD64, but the java browser plugin still could theoretically be an issue.
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21:33<bighornram>ameyer: I can tell you the flash alpha works fine on my machine
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21:33*ameyer probably could live without Java for a while, though.
21:33<stew>judd: info icedtea-gcjwebplugin --arch amd64
21:33<judd>stew: icedtea-gcjwebplugin (web): is extra; Version: 1.0+dak1-1; Size: 64.7k; Installed: 204k -- Java plugin based on IcedTea and gcjwebplugin
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21:33*ameyer tried to install that on his i386 box and it just didn't work
21:34<stew>ameyer: did you file a bug?
21:34<Gun_Smoke>ahhh.. got it!
21:35<ameyer>erm, 1 of my i386 boxes
21:35<Gun_Smoke> ps -FC dd
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21:35<ameyer>stew: I should have, but I didn't
21:35<Gun_Smoke>root 22717 22716 6 795 592 1 16:42 pts/3 00:18:55 dd if /dev/urandom of /dev/sdb1
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21:35<stew>people should stop writing java applets anyway
21:36<ameyer>and by "just didn't work" I mean "Iceweasel had no clue it was installed"
21:36<stew>ameyer: how did you install it?
21:36<stew>ameyer: and what version?
21:37<dkr>Gun_Smoke: USR1 i documented in man dd, fyi
21:37<ameyer>Installed it with aptitude and it was so long ago I don't remember
21:37<Gun_Smoke>dkr, thanks. I'll look a little deeper..
21:38<ameyer>err, it appears that icedtea6-plugin was what failed
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21:42<ameyer>fun, the icedtea plugin freezes firefox after throwing a bunch of java error messages and a bunch of "Something very bad happened. I don't know what to do, so I am going to exit :("
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21:43<Gun_Smoke>alright... so kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid which should be replaced with the correct PID from above, will not actually kill the process? I'd be pissed as hell to have this random write to die.. 5 hours in.
21:43<ameyer>as I said, I can live without java
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21:47<stew>judd: versions icedtea6-plugin
21:47<judd>stew: icedtea6-plugin -- experimental: 6b14-1~exp1
21:47<stew>not suprising that the experimental one might be broken
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21:50<Gun_Smoke>whoa.. this is going to take WAY longer than I had expected... 21686415872 bytes (22 GB) copied, 18411.9 s, 1.2 MB/s
21:50<Gun_Smoke> out of a 150GB drive
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21:54<Gun_Smoke>Does that seem right?
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21:55<Gun_Smoke>35 hours to write random data to a 150GB drive...
21:56<simonrvn>seems slow, but i dunno what you're doing.
21:56<simonrvn>you using urandom?
21:56<Gun_Smoke>dd if /dev/urandom of /dev/sdb1
21:56<abrotman>Gun_Smoke: jebus .. why? use /dev/zero
21:56<Gun_Smoke>abrotman, much faster?
21:56<simonrvn>it doesn't block, but it is slow..
21:57<abrotman>Gun_Smoke: all you're trying to do is erase it?
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21:57<Gun_Smoke>abrotman, no, I'll be encrypting it after.
21:57<simonrvn>zeroing it should be fine anyway
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21:58<abrotman>Gun_Smoke: should be faster than urandom
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21:58<ameyer>yeah, $400 (well, more like $460 shipped) for a 2.8 GHz C2D, 3 GB of RAM, 250 GB HD system with a 19 inch monitor to (sort of) replace a 5+ year old desktop and a netbook didn't seem too bad
21:58<Gun_Smoke>I was hoping for less than 4-5 hours.. geezee..
21:58<abrotman>and you might want to try a larger blocksize
21:59<Gun_Smoke>alright, any other ideas? I'm not selling the drive or anything.. It just sits unattended here at home and I figured if I'm backing /home up to it might as well be encrypted.
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22:00<ameyer>if you were getting rid of it, I'd suggest a sledgehammer
22:00*ameyer ducks
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22:01<ameyer>disassembly, removal of platters, and using a sledgehammer should work as well
22:01<ameyer>or a drill through the platters
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22:03<russ>Can Debian run on a NES?
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22:05<TheRufus>Good afternoon all
22:05*ameyer guesses not to Russ's question
22:05<ameyer>you mean Nintendo Entertainment System, right?
22:05<russ>I thought it runs on many old platforms
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22:06<TheRufus>just a question, I'm building a file server for a client which will use a RAID5 array. I'm thinking of using this card
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22:07<TheRufus>are there any known issues or problems that anyone knows of?
22:07<TheRufus>anything to look out for as far as configuring goes?
22:07<TheRufus>They were thinking of using XP Pro, but I talked them into deb
22:08<TheRufus>the system will have an AMD Phenom 9950 CPU and 8Gb Corsair 1066MHz RAM
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22:09*ameyer wonders if that's overkill for a file server
22:10<russ>fuck you all
22:11<TheRufus>this customer needs speed
22:11<TheRufus>she needs thousands and thousands of JPG's flying across the network
22:11<russ>what runs on a super tampon?
22:11<TheRufus>too much ram?
22:11<TheRufus>2Gb enough?
22:11<simonrvn>sounds like overkill to me
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22:12<ameyer>I was thinking too much CPU. More RAM might help for caching, but 8 GB is a lot
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22:12<Tekno>I have 6GB
22:12<TheRufus>dual core CPU?
22:12<TheRufus>I want low power
22:12<simonrvn>um, the file server is not going to be *displaying* them
22:12<TheRufus>my current server at home runs on an AMD BE-2300
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22:13<ameyer>dual core would be good enough, I think.
22:13<ameyer>Possibly single core if you can find it
22:14<russ>i said fuck you all ass holes
22:14*simonrvn still thinks that's overkill
22:14<simonrvn>the dual i mean
22:14<ameyer>I'd think the bottleneck would be the HDs
22:14<TheRufus>she needs speed, but at least 3Tb of data
22:14<TheRufus>STFU russ you tool
22:15<simonrvn>the biggest bottleneck is going to be file i/o
22:15<ameyer>hell, a 486 can serve crap and saturate a 10 mbps line
22:15<simonrvn>TheRufus: ignore him
22:15<TheRufus>but ssd is too expensive
22:15<ameyer>more RAM could help with file i/o
22:15<TheRufus>so back to 8Gb
22:15<simonrvn>yeh, and fast disks
22:15<TheRufus>dual core low power CPU, 8gb ram
22:16<TheRufus>seagate 1Tb 7200RPM x4
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22:16<simonrvn>man, if i had a box like that, it wouldn't be my file server ;).
22:16<simonrvn>can you get 15K RPM?
22:16*ameyer thinks that it's too bad that single core is all but dead
22:16<TheRufus>not in SATA
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22:16<TheRufus>need SATA since SCSI is too expensive to get to 4Tb of data
22:17<ameyer>and 4 1 TB drives in a RAID5 configuration would only hold 3 TB
22:17<simonrvn>no kidding haha. it's expensive to get 36 GB ;)
22:17<TheRufus>and the WD Raptors are 10k RPM, but only 250Gb
22:17<ameyer>you need 3.2 TB
22:17<TheRufus>i know about the redundancy of RAID5
22:17<TheRufus>she needs it
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22:17<TheRufus>she's a wedding photographer
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22:18<ameyer>seriously, though, 4 1 TB drives in a RAID5 configuration doesn't provide the 3.2 TB you say she needs
22:18<ameyer>err, I misread
22:19*ameyer wonders where the hell 3.2 TB came from
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22:19<russ>i am sorry my wife typed that she was up set that i was on the computer
22:20<TheRufus>hello LOL
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22:22<TheRufus>AMD ATHLON X2 Dual Core 4850e, 8Gb Corsair 1066MHz Dominator RAM
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22:22<TheRufus>Gigabyte GA-MA770-DS3 mobo
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22:30<markrian>There's a table of framebuffer modes for various resolutions and bit depths, telling you what boot parameters you need for which. Where is this documented in Debian? Pretend that I don't have access to google ;)
22:31<gsimmons>!tell markrian -about fbcon resolution
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22:32<markrian>Oh thank god. I mean, thanks gsimmons.
22:33<markrian>How would I have found that information out for myself? I tried searching with apt-cache, man -k, find/grep, no luck - how does one glean this knowledge without fellow human beings' help?
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22:35<markrian>(or google)
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22:37<abrotman>markrian: has some framebuffer docs IIRC
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22:39<markrian>abrotman: my problem is that I often find myself wanting to configure the framebuffer when I have no net access, so I'm really after where that information is stored - but hwinfo, or the kernel module source will have to do, I think :/
22:39<abrotman>should also be in your kernel docs i believe
22:40<WayneSallee>Where's a list of the download servers?
22:40<dpkg>i guess debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
22:40<abrotman>or you mean CD mirrors ?
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22:41<WayneSallee>I've been using Texas, and it's bugging out on me.
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22:44<markrian>abrotman: yeah, kernel docs will do it. Thanks.
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22:49<WayneSallee>What's the best way to upgrade to lenny
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22:49<dondelelcaro>WayneSallee: read the release notes and follow them. See /topic
22:50<WayneSallee>What topic?
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22:53<WayneSallee>What topic?
22:53<Tekno>use /topic -command
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22:53<Tekno>!last dpkg
22:54<brunner>Is there a way I can monitor my CPU temperature?
22:54<brunner>would you tell me how? =]
22:54<WayneSallee>That just killed the terminal
22:55<Tekno>brunner: kgrellm is pretty good
22:55<Tekno>for configuring lm-sensors etc.. do as a root 'sensors-detect'
22:55<Tekno>im not sure if you need to install something first
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22:57<brunner>Tekno: thanks
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22:58<WayneSallee>What's the best way to upgrade to lenny?
22:58<abrotman>!tell WayneSallee about etch->lenny
22:59<WayneSallee>Just type that in the comand prompt?
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23:00<WayneSallee>What's the best way to upgrade to Lenny?
23:01<abrotman> .. read everything
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23:08<WayneSallee>Where is the list of download servers? I've been using texas, and it's been bugging out on me.
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23:10<Gentoolio>hi, how can i see the modifiable kernel variables???
23:10<Tekno>what you mean
23:11<amphi>Gentoolio: in /sys and /proc ?
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23:12<Gentoolio>yes, but how can i know exactly wich of those are modifiable, because not all can be modified
23:12<Tekno>why you want to modify them ?
23:12<Tekno>if everything works, dont touch them
23:12<Gentoolio>it's a school project :s
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23:23<Gun_Smoke>well /dev/zero was .5M/s faster than /dev/urandom
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23:41<Tekno>where do I get freenx-server for debian?
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23:46<dmoerner>!+tell Tekno -about freenx
23:46<dpkg>told Tekno about freenx.
23:51<Tekno>repository is down :(
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