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00:08<twb>Why, in /etc/network/interfaces, do I need a "netmask" declaration when using pointtopoint?
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00:10<Steven_M>do I have the version of the key ring installed?
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00:29<klaan>some one can help me ?
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00:31<blarson>!tell klaan about ask
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00:32<blarson>twb: Just because it is point-to-point doesn't mean you can't use multiple addresses. But it is more likely just not specaial-cased.
00:33<twb>blarson: bah.
00:33<klaan>hi i use debian and kdeinit wont start it tells me `kdeinit: Aborting. $DISPLAY is not set`
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00:33<twb>blarson: the netmask does end up in the route table, so I guess I should use for a ppp between .1 and .2
00:34<twb>Or I could use .254 between .2 and .3, I think.
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00:36<bosco_>how do i find out my mac adress to enter in my router for mac filtering??
00:37<twb>bosco_: ifconfig
00:37<twb>bosco_: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep HWaddr
00:38<bosco_>ath0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:19:7e:48:ad:49
00:38<bosco_>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1b:38:1e:90:e9
00:38<bosco_>pan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr e6:87:c2:b4:53:16
00:38<bosco_>wifi0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-19-7E-48-AD-49-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
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00:39<bosco_>twb, which one
00:39<twb>bosco_: I don't know.
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00:40<bosco_>lol that is what i need to figure out i knew how to do all of what you have already told me lol
00:40<twb>bosco_: if you remove the "| grep HWaddr" part, you can look at their IPs.
00:40<bosco_>i am not a noob
00:40<bosco_>i know that
00:40<bosco_>i just dont want to have to go through all 4 mac adresses if i dont have to lol
00:41<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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00:41<bosco_>i guess you are right
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00:42<twb>Supaplex: that's a bit anglican... I could just as easily say "jeje" or "keke". Admittedly, this is an English language channel.
00:43<twb>bosco_: you can also use mii-tool or ethtool to find out which (ethernet) NICs are physically cabled. Or you could look at the DHCP leases file on your router.
00:43<bosco_>yah got it thanks
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00:44<bosco_>later off to bed i was to tired and could not think that is why i asked
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00:47<Steven_M>do I have the version of the key ring installed?
00:48<Steven_M>I mean do I have the right version of the key ring installed?
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00:55<FoxM>Hi. I want to view some chinese pages but iceweasel doesn't show them... what fonts should I install to view them properly?
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01:23<FoxM>Hi. How do I install all the xfonts-intl-* packages?
01:23<FoxM>using aptitude CLI
01:23<Supaplex>aptitude install <package>
01:23<Supaplex>!tell FoxM -about search
01:23<FoxM>but I want to install all the packages at once
01:24<FoxM>with one aptitude call... not one by one
01:24<Supaplex>use apt-get install. it does regex
01:24<FoxM>aptitude does no regex for 'install' command?
01:25<Supaplex>try it and see
01:25<jm_>perhaps you should read aptitude docs before claiming what it can or can't do
01:26<Supaplex>perhaps I will, as last I recall it didn't work on etch.
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01:27<jm_>it was for FoxM, you were right what it can do
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01:28<FoxM>jm_: I read it... but I thought I was misinterpreting the thing. Please spare my life! ;)
01:29<FoxM>thanks for the info. :)
01:29<FoxM>installing now ;)
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01:39<twb>I have an eth0 and a tun0 that runs on top of it, and I want both to be raised at boot time.
01:40<twb>Currently tun0 isn't activating at boot correctly, presumably because eth0 is still DHCPREQUESTing.
01:40<twb>What's the right way to declare this dependency?
01:40<FoxM>Uff... Hi. I want to be able to read asian web pages using iceweasel, but they only show boxed numbers. i tried installing all xfonts-intl-* fonts but it didn't work. How can I read those webpages? I don't want to change my localization :S
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01:40<twb>FoxM: xfonts-intl only affect really old software, not xft-using apps like iceweasel.
01:40<twb>FoxM: try stuff that starts with ttf-
01:41<twb>FoxM: e.g. ttf-japanese-mincho
01:41<FoxM>twb: thanks. I supposed that the package included dependencies to those ttf fonts, but maybe I misread... again ;) thanks... let me try again
01:42<twb>FoxM: xfonts is a completely separate subsystem.
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01:42<twb>It wouldn't make sense for xfont users to be forced to install outline fonts as well
01:42<FoxM>twb: ohhhhh.. I see... so I can remove them safely?
01:42<twb>FoxM: yes.
01:42<twb>FoxM: about the only thing that still uses them is xterm and emacs
01:43<FoxM>twb: hahaha... I see! thanks a lot!
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01:46<AndyJ>Hi people, I'm having trouble working out the ipp:// address for my network printer, is there a good debian detection tool that's likely to find it?
01:46<jm_>AndyJ: what kind of printer?
01:46<AndyJ>Hi jm it's a kyocera
01:46<jm_>AndyJ: how do you connect to it?
01:46<twb>AndyJ: are you sure it speaks the internet printer protocol?
01:47<twb>AndyJ: does it even have a network card in it?
01:47<AndyJ>according to the manual it does speak ipp and has a print server card installed
01:47<AndyJ>I can see it via it's ip address
01:47<AndyJ>but haven't been able to connect via CUPS
01:47<twb>OK, that's about all I know :-)
01:47<twb>CUPS hates me.
01:47<AndyJ>me too so far
01:50<AndyJ>It occurs to me that I've seen this problem before, and foomatic helped, running it now.
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01:52<iamfuzz>Hi, I'm tryng to build a package with a bunch of binary .so files in a folder. it's a commercial package so I don't have the source. When I build it, dpkg-buildpackage doesn't put the .so files in the tar.gz
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01:52<iamfuzz>any idea how I can force it to include those files?
01:52<iamfuzz>(dpkg-buildpackage didn't seem to exhibit this behavior in the past)
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01:54<jm_>AndyJ: did you try adding the printer as ipp://host/ipp/ ?
01:54<jm_>or http://host:631/ipp/ ?
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01:54<AndyJ>Yes, the host name is visible on the printer, but is not visible via the network (not sure what is going on there)
01:55<AndyJ>I've also tried by putting in the ip address in place of the hostname
01:55<jm_>that also works
01:55<AndyJ>For some reason, Kyocera don't publish their standard (or any) ipp address formats anywhere that I can find...
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01:56<AndyJ>If I port scan the printer, I can see that port 631 is active
01:57<AndyJ>it shows up as ipp active
01:57<AndyJ>Sorry, as open ipp
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01:58<jm_>echo 'GET /printers\r\n' | nc hostname 631
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02:02<jm_>that should show printers available on it
02:02<AndyJ>No response, if I ctrl-c out I get "Unknown Host"
02:02<AndyJ>I'll try as root just in case
02:03<AndyJ>forward host looup failed: unknown host: connection timed out
02:04<jm_>I am confused - is it resovable at all?
02:04<jm_>getent hosts hostname
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02:06<AndyJ>should the hostname be prefixed with anything? // for example?
02:07<AndyJ>I'm getting no response
02:07<AndyJ>It quite happily responds to ping and http requests
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02:09<AndyJ>If I directly pass a text file through the http interface it prints away merrily.
02:11<jm_>no, it's just hostname for nc/getent, without any :// or whatever
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02:15<weedeater>I have debian/apache2/php5.2.0-8 setup, I want to install dokuwiki.
02:16<weedeater>apt-get -s install dokuwiki gives me
02:16<weedeater>will the replacement of libapache2-mod-php5 be a problem?
02:16<AndyJ>It should be visible as a windows network printer too, but I'm not even seeing the workgroup via SMB
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02:25<jm_>weedeater: can you put it on a pastebin?
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02:29<neocortex>Hello, I just got an icon that informs me about 7 updates available. But when I start Update Manager and enter password, nothing happens. Does anyone knows what is going on?!?
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02:31<weedeater>jm_: I put it in #jeff but I already the install, I'm checking it out now.
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02:39<enouf>hurray for apt-get autoclean; (before) /dev/hdd1 ext3 8.0G 7.4G 270M 97% / (after) /dev/hdd1 ext3 8.0G 5.8G 1.9G 76% /
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02:46<jm_>only 1.7G, I have 4.7G in there
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03:05<AndyJ>Problem solved!
03:05<AndyJ>jm_: Using a simpler connection method (jetdirect)
03:06<AndyJ>I still think that it was my inability to guess the ipp address
03:06<jm_>AndyJ: did you get that nc command to return anything?
03:06<AndyJ>no nothing at all
03:06<AndyJ>just host unknown
03:07<jm_>then your name resolution is not working
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03:10<beer>looks like kernel headers on amd64 are broken for the 2.6.28 kernel (it needs linux-kbuild-2.6.28 witch cannot be installed)
03:12<enouf>beer: build linux-kbuild-2.6.28
03:13<beer>I prefere if I just could install it from repositoirs since that will be the easyest way. I will just wait for the dependency to be fixed
03:16<AndyJ>jm_: can you remind me of the nc command please? I've just added the printer's hostname to the dns table
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03:19<Steven_M>I often get errors when I do an aptiude update and drives me nuts
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03:20<jm_>AndyJ: echo 'GET /printers\n\r' | nc hostname 80
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03:21<AndyJ>looking looking
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03:24<jm_>but it didn't say unknown host now?
03:24<AndyJ>nothing at all
03:24<jm_>ait that should be hostname 631, not hostname 80, sorry
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03:25<AndyJ>no drama, I've tried for port 80 631 and 515
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03:25<jm_>hmm perhaps access control prevents it
03:25<AndyJ>It just sits there doing nothing...
03:26<AndyJ>Access control on the printer?
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03:28<AndyJ>jm_: will have to leave it for now, at least have a functioning printer, the print server has roughly one million options for me to wade through...
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03:32<jm_>hmm does rdiff-backup really not have dry run/simulate/test only/... option?
03:32<Steven_M>I get badsig errors during aptitude even after installing the keyring, as demonstated by the post here: Can anyone help me fix this problem?
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03:37<vss>hi. i am sure, that my problem should be quite general, but still i am unable to figure out, whats wrong. I have a new AMD64 based machine and i have just installed latest debian stable (ADM64) on it. i
03:37<vss> am using network-bridge configuration. when i issue "xm create blah.cfg", thent DomU basically just "hangs". nothing of interest in xend.log and DomU's state is undefined
03:37<vss>eg ------
03:38<vss>last line in xend.log claims, that the host has been "unpaused" and thats the end of it
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03:39<themill>Steven_M: that's a BADSIG message not a NO_PUBKEY message. The problem isn't that you don't have the key but that the signature is invalid. This can happen if the mirror is in a bad state.
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03:39<casinowarren>anyone in here work with kubuntu?
03:40<themill>casinowarren: you want #kubuntu on
03:40<casinowarren>thank you
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03:41<Steven_M>themill: so it's nothing to do with my system?
03:42<themill>Steven_M: no. either a problem with the mirror, or a proxy that's between you and the mirror, or (if you wear a tinfoil hat) someone's trying to slip you a dodgy Release file.
03:44<Steven_M>themill: I didn't know there were alturnate mirrors for, where can a list?
03:46<Steven_M>themill: thanks so much :)
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03:46<themill>Steven_M: btw you should use "lenny" in your sources.list not "stable".
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03:49<Steven_M>themill: what's the differnce?
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03:49<jm_>it won't be "silently" upgraded on you
03:49<themill>or "silently" broken
03:49<themill>!stable sources.list
03:49<dpkg>Despite the fact previous installers and countless websites will tell you to do this, do *not* use "stable" in your sources.list; use the release code name instead (e.g. "etch" or "lenny"). Upgrading between releases is no longer trivial; make sure you read the <release notes> and ask me about <etch->lenny>.
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03:50<Steven_M>themill: jm_ ok
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03:52<themill>Steven_M: the signature on that Release file just checked out for me, so it's more likely a proxy than the mirror.
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03:53<Steven_M>themill: do you think these proplems could've compromised or damaged my system
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03:54<themill>highly unlikely. Do you even have anything from volatile installed?
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03:54<Steven_M>themill: clamav-data
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03:56<SlayerXP>i'm being bitten by BTS#517231 - is anyone aware of a workaround for this?
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03:57<themill>Steven_M: Did you install the package while the signatures were broken?
03:57<themill>(or upgrade)
03:57<CQ>hello, anyone have curlftpfs experience? I have a weird problem, I can read all I want from teh mounted FTP server, I can touch files on it, I can CP files to it, but if I touch a file and vim it to add something it won't write, and rsyncing to the server doesn't work either... I've tried with direct_io option and allow_other option, but no luck...
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03:58<CQ>cp -a works, but gives I/O errors for every file, but the file is there and complete
03:58<themill>SlayerXP: install lenny then upgrade
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03:59<Steven_M> themill: and there could be others, because when your selecting packages, aptidude doesn't display them according to mirror
03:59<SlayerXP>themill: that's hateful.
03:59<SlayerXP>(i accept it's a workaround, but hateful nonetheless :)
04:00<themill>SlayerXP: welcome to sid.
04:00<SlayerXP>themill: oh, hold on, this _is_ with the lenny netinstall.
04:01<jm_>SlayerXP: but I think you're not installing lenny debs
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04:01<themill>SlayerXP: you're pulling in glibc 2.9 if that's the problem you are experiencing
04:02<SlayerXP>jm_: i'm asking for "stable" during the install.
04:02<themill>SlayerXP: clamav-data is the only package on volatile at the moment.
04:02<themill>Steven_M: errr ^^
04:02<jm_>SlayerXP: interesting, try checking if there's an URL listed on other tty-s
04:02<jm_>(where it's pulling from)
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04:03<SlayerXP>jm_: let me see if I still have the server at that point....
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04:04<Steven_M> themill: have there been others in volatile since lenny's release?
04:04<themill>Steven_M: I doubt that
04:04<SlayerXP>jm_: actually, the installer debug console shows packages being grabbed from both stable and unstable.
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04:05<SlayerXP>why on earth would the _stable_ installer be doing that?
04:05<jm_>SlayerXP: that's the problem then
04:05<themill>Steven_M: but have you actually types "yes" at the big scary warning that apt gives telling you to that packages can't be authenticated?
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04:10<Steven_M>themill: no, I think the only yes I've typed is when I used apt-get directly and I had to ok the installation of dependancies.
04:11<themill>Steven_M: then you've never installed a package where the chain of trust was not in place so you should not have anything to worry about here. We just need to clear that BADSIG error so you can happily aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade.
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04:14<SlayerXP>jm_: i may have fixed ti with a simple hack
04:15<SlayerXP>before the main section of the installer starts, I changed /etc/udeb-sources to contain "stable" rather than "unstable"
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04:16<jm_>SlayerXP: right, good one
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04:16<SlayerXP>jm_: will see if the install completes.
04:16<Steven_M>themill: I'm not 100% sure, I didn't should I reinstall to be sure
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04:20<enkrypt>I have a new harddrive, and I would like to install debian on it, but with an ext4 partition. how would I do that in the cleanest way?
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04:20<themill>Steven_M: what version of clamav-data do you have installed? (dpkg -l clamav-data)
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04:21<themill>Steven_M: (Given that you came to us with this BADSIG warning, I think it is highly unlikely you said OK to the very scary apt-secure warning)
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04:26<urbinek>how can i force system reboot ?
04:26<urbinek>shutdown -r and reboot aren't working
04:26<OdyX>urbinek: hard and dirty reboot ?
04:26<urbinek>OdyX: remote reboot
04:26<OdyX>urbinek: remote ?
04:27<urbinek>OdyX: i'm in work, PC is in home
04:27<jm_>do you have a dog?
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04:27<OdyX># init 6 (<- you'll loose ssh and it /should/ reboot
04:28<urbinek>jm_: yes, but for what xd ??
04:28<OdyX>a dog knowing SysRQ ?
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04:28<urbinek>yes i think but it will be difficult wihout thumb
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04:29<jm_>or if your kernel has sysrq enabled use that
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04:29<OdyX>jm_: remotely ?
04:29<jm_>urbinek: look at sysrqd
04:29<urbinek>jm_: sysrq is working via putty ?
04:30<OdyX>sysrq can work over serial console..
04:30<urbinek>jm_: ther's no sysrqd
04:30<jm_>yes there is
04:30<urbinek>how to say...
04:31<urbinek>i know about it, how to use it but i don't know how to check if its enabled in krernel
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04:31<OdyX>urbinek: $ grep SYSRQ /boot/config*
04:32<OdyX>then install sysrqd
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04:32<urbinek>OdyX: CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y
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04:32<jm_>so it's enabled
04:32<OdyX>enabled then
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04:32<themill>judd: kconfig SYSRQ --release lenny
04:32<judd>themill: Searching for 'SYSRQ' in lenny kernel config gives MAGIC_SYSRQ=y.
04:32<urbinek>k, then how to use it via ssh..
04:33<jm_>for the last time - sysrqd
04:34<themill>Steven_M: so you have the version from volatile from yesterday -- you'd know if you typed yes to a big scary warning yesterday, wouldn't you?
04:35<urbinek>can't install sysrqd... instalation stops at unpacking ..
04:37<jm_>what's the error?
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04:37<urbinek>no error, just stop doing anything
04:37<jm_>try to unpack it manually in tmp
04:38<themill>you can also just echo to /proc/sysrq-trigger can't you?
04:39<jm_>ahh of course
04:39<jm_>just do that instead
04:39<urbinek>echo 1 > /proc/sysrq-trigger
04:39<jm_>no, you'd want to sync umount and then reboot
04:39<enouf>you also want kernel.sysrq = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf
04:40<enouf>for future
04:40<enouf>echo s, then u, then b
04:41<urbinek>what does kernel.sysrq = 1 ?
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04:43<urbinek>enouf: echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger ; echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger ; echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger ?
04:43<enouf>it enables it
04:43<enouf>urbinek: yeah, but single quote each letter,
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04:44<enouf>and use && instead of ;
04:44<urbinek>what's diffrent ?
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04:45<urbinek>here we go... echo "s" > /proc/sysrq-trigger && echo "u" > /proc/sysrq-trigger && echo "b" > /proc/sysrq-trigger
04:45<enouf>although, that'
04:45<enouf>s not the whole story
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04:46<SlayerXP>jm_: yeah, that worked, I've updated the BTS.
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04:47<Steven_M>themill: thanks for all your help, I'm going to bed now. with a bit of luck using a different mirror will bypass the bad proxy.
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04:47<marcel>hey friends
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04:48<urbinek>what is optimal size of rasaizerfs partition ?
04:48<marcel>how do you downgrade debian 5 to 4 ?
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04:48<themill>Steven_M: yeah. good luck with it!
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04:48<themill>dpkg: tell marcel about reinstall
04:48<urbinek>300GB is mounting and mounting...
04:48<urbinek>and i've 1TB hdd ..
04:48<Steven_M>themill: thanks :)
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04:50<urbinek>it's isn't up, omg i've kill debian ^^
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04:52<OdyX>urbinek: that's the problem of blind remote reboot
04:53<urbinek>OdyX: i know, usually i'm using reboot but i don't know why it doesn't work this time
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04:53<themill>probably sitting at an fsck prompt
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04:54<urbinek>i must shrink those artitions
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05:08<inet>hi how to cofigure portsentry
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05:13<urbinek>20 min and still dead..
05:14<urbinek>it shouted down i think xD
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05:22<urbinek>some dog pushed reset button :D
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05:24<urbinek>it's alive... alive! ALIVE!! :D
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05:29<jrodger>LXDE Rocks!
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05:31<OdyX>KDE Rocks!
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05:31<OdyX>ask jrodger
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05:32<jm_>heh rdiff-backup doesn't like if you write /foo//bar/baz in globbing lists
05:32<GeoPhoenix>: )
05:32<urbinek>Kde rocks :P
05:32<jrodger>I used to use KDE but found it a little heavy......
05:33<GeoPhoenix>: )
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05:33<urbinek>jrodger: kde 3.x or 4x ?
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05:34<jrodger>I still like it but.....for speed and efficiency...........ROCK ON LXDE!
05:34<jrodger>I'm a convert, was using Fedora 10, KDE 4.2
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05:36<urbinek>i've tried kde 4.1 it was fat and slow like areo vista ;/
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05:36<jm_>LXDE - that's the stuff knoppix switched to, right?
05:36<GeoPhoenix>kde 4.1 ,4.2 who cares
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05:37<urbinek>GeoPhoenix: me :p i realy like kde but now i'm on 3.x
05:37<GeoPhoenix>3.5.10 :P
05:37<GeoPhoenix>me too
05:37<urbinek>3.x line is the best like for now
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05:41<urbinek>but i dont like to be in back...
05:41<urbinek>i wan't to 3.x be still developed
05:41<urbinek>want *
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05:44<thyago>telnet 1863
05:45<GeoPhoenix>: |
05:45<urbinek>it's still happens to me :D
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05:45<thyago>e awe fresco!
05:46<GeoPhoenix>has anyoe installed qtcreator for debian ?
05:46<dlb>wtf is debian???
05:46<GeoPhoenix>what ?
05:46<dlb>frescura pow
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05:47<urbinek>dlb xD
05:47*GeoPhoenix slaps dlb
05:47<urbinek>debian is a kind of animal
05:48<GeoPhoenix>yes with 5 legs
05:48<GeoPhoenix>and 2-3 heads
05:48<dlb>on rachada???
05:48<urbinek>yup, realy
05:49<dlb>ty for your help
05:49<urbinek>np problem
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05:50<urbinek>GeoPhoenix: shhh :P if gentoo is a kind of penguin then debian is a kind of snail xD
05:52<urbinek>GeoPhoenix: you realy doesn't know xD ?
05:52<GeoPhoenix>Pygoscelis papua
05:53<urbinek>hmm, my friend (gentoo user) have that same look xD
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06:08<urbinek>wts is smug o_O?
06:09<urbinek>k, never mind
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06:14<urbinek>wtf O_o
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06:23<ubuntu>could anyone assist me with reinstalling grub ? It's failed from installing 8.10
06:23<blast_hardcheese>Hey, I've got a MotionEye webcam, I've modprobe'd meye and sonypi (which I guess is related to the camera), but /dev/video0 is not created. I've also loaded videodev
06:23<blast_hardcheese>ubuntu: Wrong channel, did the #ubuntu people not help?
06:23<ubuntu>ahh thanks,
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06:24<blast_hardcheese>I was thinking we were on freenode, there's a big channel on there.
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06:25<urbinek>blarson: just no one know how to help or they are afk
06:25<urbinek>blast_hardcheese *
06:26<blast_hardcheese>urbinek: blargh
06:26<blast_hardcheese>ubuntu: Are you using grub 1 or 2?
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06:29<ubuntu>I sorry, are you referring to the stage files ?
06:29<blast_hardcheese>What version of grub do you have installed
06:29<Pitxyoki>I'm with the legacy version.
06:29<Pitxyoki>I think that's the default for debian.
06:29<blast_hardcheese>Pitxyoki: not in Lenny, and he's on Ubuntu
06:30<Pitxyoki>Ah, sorry. You were asking him.
06:30<ubuntu>is there a command that I can invoke from the GRUB prompt in order to find version ?
06:30<Pitxyoki>And... Really? grub2 is already the default?
06:30<blast_hardcheese>ubuntu: Type grub and hit enter
06:30<blast_hardcheese>(as root)
06:31<ubuntu>like sudo grub ?
06:31<ubuntu>arright, done
06:31<blast_hardcheese>did it error?
06:31<blast_hardcheese>Ok, you're on grub 1
06:31<ubuntu>the error is in the FIND command
06:31<ubuntu>when I try to find stage1
06:31<blast_hardcheese>don't do that
06:32<blast_hardcheese>actually yeah, that would probably help
06:32<blast_hardcheese>find /boot/grub/stage1
06:32<ubuntu>that returns the error 15
06:32<blast_hardcheese>does it now
06:32<ubuntu>I'm not sure grub can see the partition
06:33<blast_hardcheese>Edit the file /boot/grub/
06:33<blast_hardcheese>as root
06:33<ubuntu>do I understand that you have to mount the root of the installed Ubuntu somewhere so that the grub on the live cd can see it ?
06:34<blast_hardcheese>Oh, you're in the livecd?
06:34<blast_hardcheese>I thought you were booted into the system
06:34<ubuntu>I'm sorry
06:34<blast_hardcheese>silly me
06:34<blast_hardcheese>should have asked
06:34<ubuntu>I can't get into grub to choose Linux
06:34<blast_hardcheese>What error does it give you?
06:34<ubuntu>grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
06:34<ubuntu>Error 15: File not found
06:35<blast_hardcheese>No, when you try to boot without the CD in the drive
06:35<jm_>just use grub-install instead
06:35<ubuntu>just gets into XP
06:35<ubuntu>I tried that as well
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06:36<dpkg>To reinstall boot loader simply boot to your Debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide> and <rescue mode>.
06:36<ubuntu>yes, thank you- I've seen that post as a solution but I'm not quite sure I can do that
06:36<ubuntu>I'll try however
06:36<jm_>why not?
06:37<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Wouldn't forcing ext2 break the journal?
06:37<jm_>blast_hardcheese: one doesn't need to use -t ext2 at all
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06:37<blast_hardcheese>jm_: My point being why is it in the guide if it is not wise?
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06:37<jm_>blast_hardcheese: I wouldn't know, I didn't write it
06:38<blast_hardcheese>Fair enough.
06:38<jm_>now I need to figure out why rdiff-backup isn't doing what I expect from it
06:38<blast_hardcheese>Do you know anything about getting /dev/video* populated? I've loaded videodev, sonypi, and meye, but the block devices don't show up
06:39<blast_hardcheese>Not exactly sure what creates them
06:39<jm_>blast_hardcheese:/dev/video is supposed to be a character device
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06:39<jm_>blast_hardcheese: udev
06:39<blast_hardcheese>Right, but how do I get udev to create them?
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06:39<blast_hardcheese>udev is running, I know that
06:40<jm_>it's not creating it because the driver is not detecting your device or it's a wrong driver (usually boils down to this)
06:40<jm_>did you check what driver said after loading it? dmesg
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06:47<Pitxyoki>Ena p?.
06:47<Pitxyoki>Em menos de trinta segundos entra uma ShoesLif1 e um artista_frustrado.
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06:47<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
06:48<djc>Or possibly
06:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
06:48<Pitxyoki>well, the portuguese one is empty.
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06:48<Pitxyoki>Anyway, I was just noticing that here two portuguese-speaking people entered one after the other.
06:48<avu>Pitxyoki, try on freenode
06:49<djc>Ah, well, that happens. If you can manage english well enough, people here can help out
06:49<Pitxyoki>I was just pointing that.
06:50<Pitxyoki>by the way, that phrase by dkpg is missing some chars.
06:50<blast_hardcheese>I got it!
06:50<Pitxyoki>It should be "Este canal ? apenas em ingl?s. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugu?s."
06:51<blast_hardcheese>Pitxyoki: Wrong charset?
06:51<Pitxyoki>Did you read those chars when dpkg sent that?
06:51<jm_>it is like that but your IRC client is not showing it right for you, it's in utf8
06:52<Pitxyoki>What charset should I be using then?
06:52<djc>utf-8 ?
06:52<jm_>well use whatever you want
06:52<Pitxyoki>what the heck?
06:53<Pitxyoki>/charset shows "Current charset: ANSI_X3.4-1968"
06:53<jm_>that's C
06:53<themill>nice and modern :)
06:53<Pitxyoki>I have "system default" on xchat's network list.
06:53<Pitxyoki>and locale tells my that I have
06:54<djc>im in xchat as well
06:54<djc>it tells me:
06:54<Pitxyoki>Can you tell me what's wrong?
06:54<djc> Current charset: IRC
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06:54<blast_hardcheese>It's irritating that they hid the charset option in xchat
06:54<Pitxyoki>And what do you have on the server list?
06:54<themill>Pitxyoki: your desktop environment may well have something to say about what charset you're using too.
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06:55<djc>"IRC (Latin/Unicode Hybrid)
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06:55<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
06:55<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
06:56<Pitxyoki>Now it shows well.
06:56<djc>Hiw kird wis doff?
06:56<Pitxyoki>I'm just wondering why doesn't xchat use UTF-8.
06:56<djc>Ok not really
06:56<djc>I have utf-8 as an option as well
06:56<djc>ive never looked at the setting, to be honest
06:56<Pitxyoki>I changed it to IRC.
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07:07<blast_hardcheese>jeez, when is Squeeze going to be out
07:07<blast_hardcheese>I'm sick of waiting
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07:08<Pitxyoki>Squeeze is just about two weeks "old".
07:10<themill>blast_hardcheese: siyh...
07:10<blast_hardcheese>themill: :)
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07:22<umarzuki>hi, is there any gnome apps to export mails from kmail to evolution? also, is there any gnome apps that can rival knetwork-manager interms of wireless connectivity?
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07:24<connar>any1 here have an idea about installation of protege?
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07:25<urbinek>connar: aptitude install protege ?
07:25<connar>urbinek: it doesnt work
07:26<urbinek>then compile it from source
07:26<umarzuki>it seems protege is not in deb repo
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07:26<connar>urbinek: can u help me out in source complilation?
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07:27<urbinek>connar: pm me
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07:38<antony7>hi all... any tips for newcomer on setting debian security? or pointer to good site/software? somebody just created 3 new users and changed my root password :( luckily I have another user who can sudo..
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07:39<urbinek>antony7 how did he do that ?
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07:39<Lemonzest>antony7: i'd reboot into single user mode, change password, and delete those extra users (and home dirs)
07:40<antony7>urbinek, I don't know that... we do have some php application.. he might have came in from that.. I really have no clue..
07:40<noflash>I'd reload the box
07:40<antony7>@lemonzest.. can't reboot into single user right now.. it's a box on my ISP
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07:40<antony7>@noflash reload = reboot?
07:41<urbinek>antony7: do as Lemonzest say, change root passowrd, demove additional users
07:41<Lemonzest>then i'd also do a chkrootkit
07:41<antony7>is there any software that can help me identify any security hole in my debian box?
07:42<umarzuki>hi, is there any gnome apps to export mails from kmail to evolution? also, is there any gnome apps that can rival knetwork-manager interms of wireless connectivity?
07:42<antony7>@urbinek I changed back the root password... and the extra user password.. haven't deleted them.. but deleted any executables in the home dir.. the users might be useful in investigating how he broke in
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07:42<jm_>umarzuki: how does kmail store it? isn't it simple mh folders?
07:43<antony7>@lemonzest thanks.. chkrootkit and nmap.. checking them now...
07:45<yang>jm_: to deny connections on apache do I add "apache2 :ALL" into /etc/hosts.deny ?
07:46<umarzuki>jm_, i'm not really sure
07:46<jm_>yang: no, you need to use htaccess rules
07:46<yang>jm_: but it worked for sshd denying...
07:47<jm_>yang: yes, ssh uses libwrap
07:47<yang>so the 2 files hosts.allow and hosts.deny doen't work for apache at all...
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07:48<jm_>not that I know
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07:49<ike>no new firefox and libpng?
07:49<Nemoder>any xfce users running testing notice their CPU usage max out on the panel with the latest update?
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07:50<dr-schnell>Hello. i am using vpnc to connect to a Cisco concentrator this is working fine, but i can still ping devices on my own network , i want to have all my traffic routed to the concentrator. How can i accomplish this? i am using Debian Lenny
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07:53<antony7>result of chkrootkit:
07:53<antony7>Checking `ifconfig'... INFECTED
07:53<antony7>Checking `pstree'... INFECTED
07:53<antony7>Searching for t0rn's v8 defaults... Possible t0rn v8 \(or variation\) rootkit installed
07:53<antony7>Searching for Showtee... Warning: Possible Showtee Rootkit installed
07:53<antony7>Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 465)
07:53<antony7>Checking `lkm'... You have 29 process hidden for readdir command
07:53<antony7>You have 31 process hidden for ps command
07:53<antony7>chkproc: Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
07:54<antony7>should I try to remove them.. or reinstall???
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07:54<Nemoder>safer to reinstall
07:54<alex__>illo ke diisee
07:54<petern>yes, reinstall
07:55<alex__>ke ji no
07:55<petern>and get it off the network
07:55<dr-schnell>i also thinks that a reinstall would be safer and faster
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07:55<alex__>what's yor name?
07:55<antony7>argh.......... ok guys.... :) thanks for the help :)
07:55<alex__>eeeiiii ke aseeii
07:55<dr-schnell>What has this server been used for?
07:56<alex__>ningunoo parlaa el españoo
07:56<antony7>web server
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07:56<antony7>oh.. and mail server too ... :D
07:56<Nemoder>you might also review your setup to make sure the same doesn't happen again
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07:57<antony7>@nemoder this time, I'll read this first: lol
07:57<dr-schnell>do you known why this happend, missing security updates etc?
07:57<antony7>I actually suspect some of the php programming caused this...
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07:58<antony7>I saw some shell processing php files in user upload area
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07:59<dr-schnell>ahh ok, it is always great to identify the cause
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08:00<antony7>but then again.. I'm not really sure too :D I'm really a non linux guy asked to admin this box...
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08:01<dr-schnell>heh, this is also always happening to me when i am watching the Windows servers
08:02<antony7>lol... it happened to me on both domains :D
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08:04<dr-schnell>i have been wondering about how safe the netinstall installation is? alot of the books i have been reading, says that the box never should be connecting to the network before patches has been applied??
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08:05<Nemoder>the net install grabs the latest versions of packages
08:06<dr-schnell>but the kernel is first updated after installation
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08:09<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:10<marcel>how do you downgrade debian 5 to 4 ?
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08:11<themill>[09:48] <themill> dpkg: tell marcel about reinstall
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08:11<themill>marcel: you're obviously not asking the right questions....
08:11<marcel>that bot tells me
08:11<marcel>aptitude reinstall
08:11<marcel>but that cant downgrade
08:12<themill>It also tells you how to reinstall the entire system.
08:12<themill>But why do you want to downgrade to etch?
08:12<dr|z3d>Remove the Lenny repositories, replace with those for etch, and then do a reinstall.
08:12<marcel>plesk doesnt work on lenny
08:12<marcel>i need etch
08:12<marcel>ok ill try thanks
08:13<themill>marcel: etch will only be supported for another 12 months or so, don't ignroe the problem
08:13<dr|z3d>If all fails, just reinstall from scratch from the etch cd, having backed up critical data first.
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08:16<defor>tar -c /long/path/to/the/directory/i/want/to/archive stores the whole path in the archive, how do i force tar store only "/archive" or even only the files inside "archive"?
08:16<defor>without cding into it, that is!
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08:17<Woet>My syslog is spammed with this, and I believe it causes lag too:"
08:17<Woet>t is
08:17<Woet>Mar 5 05:12:27 giraffe pdns[15844]: Recursive query for remote with internal id 0 was not answered by backend within timeout, reusing id
08:17<Woet>Mar 5 05:12:27 giraffe pdns[15844]: Error receiving packet from recursor backend: Connection refused
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08:18<Nemoder>defor: easiest way is to just cd to that directory first
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08:18<alex__>como os vaa
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08:18<defor>Nemoder: i know, but can you give me some clue as to what another way is?
08:18<alex__>speak spanish
08:18<dpkg>sp is, like, troubled: you stats pimp!
08:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:19<Nemoder>heh oops
08:19<alex__>mi name is ale
08:19<alex__>y tengoo +'2oihfñkljdasfjdasñjfñdasf
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08:19<craigevil>!ops alex__ spamming
08:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: alex__ spamming
08:19<alex__>frolic comeme el boli
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08:24<defor>Nemoder: any other way that you can think of?
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08:25<themill>defor: there's a -C option to tar
08:25<SaM_>hi someone informations about libmapi?
08:26<defor>themill: it seems it's not documented on its man page
08:26<themill>it is in both etch and lenny....
08:27<defor>themill: yes, it is, i searched it as "-C ", but it was followed by a comma :)
08:27<stew>you wanted to search for "-C\b" :)
08:28<themill>even just -C gets you there as the first hit...
08:30<flareguner>Hello! Russian's available ?
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08:31<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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08:34<Tuplad>hey! my conky meters show that I am constantly downloading and uploading (7kb/s) while I'm idling and have no connections to the net. can I check what is DLing/UPing ?
08:35<Tuplad>thanks, I'll try it
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08:36<weasel>or wireshark if you like a gui
08:36<trinec>when I try to make a debian live cd with lh_build with kde everything works fine, but with gnome I'll get "Package gnome-cups-manager" has no installation cadidate... tried allready another mirror?!
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08:36<Tuplad>weasel: tcpdump is amazing :) thanks!
08:36<shiznatix>When I installed debian I partitioned my HD (sda) with 7 gigs for / and the rest (~140gigs) for /home. I have now run out of space on the 7 gig partition and want to just move everything together on the HD, no separate partitions. I booted from a live CD but gparted won't let me merge sda1 with sda2 (makes it look like there are physically 2 drives when there is only 1, I doubled checked). How can I get my root partition to be on the larger drive?
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08:39<jm_>probably move stuff on sda2 to the right place, copy from sda1 to sda2, then delete sda1 and try to resize sda2
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08:41<shiznatix>jm_, well I tried already taking a chunk of the free space from the /home partition and copying the / partition to it and then setting its boot flag to true but it still won't boot from it. It is still using sda1 as the root partition, how do I get rid of that?
08:42<jm_>shiznatix: fstab/kernel parameters
08:42<yonatan>Q: is this the place to ask about ubuntu desktop?
08:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:43<dpkg>from memory, linux mint is a distribution based on Ubuntu. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. Go /join #linuxmint @ See <Based on Debian>., or
08:43<shiznatix>jm_, my fstab:
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08:43<yonatan>sorry for disturbing, how do I change the channel?
08:43<dpkg>A SLAX-based linux distribution derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions, <WHAX> (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor.
08:43<jm_>shiznatix: check boot parameters that kernel gets
08:44<shiznatix>jm_, not sure how to do that one. any tutorials or whatnot?
08:44<jm_>shiznatix: check /boot/grub/menu.lst for grub, /boot/grub/grub.cfg for grub 2
08:45<shiznatix>jm_, roger, if I have here: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro....... should I change that to /dev/sda8 ro?
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08:46<jm_>shiznatix: indeed
08:46<jm_>shiznatix: wait, if it's GRUB 1 then look for #kopt= line
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08:46<jm_>and change that too
08:47<shiznatix>jm_, it is grub 1 (menu.lst). will change both and give it a quick try
08:48<jm_>jeez I just wasted two hours trying to use --max-file-size and --exclude-globbing-filelist-stdin together in rdiff-backup, only to realize using max file size made it ignore other excludes
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08:50<shiznatix>jm_, w00t looks like it worked perfectly. thanks a bunch
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08:55<jm_>shiznatix: np
08:55<defor>tar -c /long/path/to/the/directory/i/want/to/archive stores the whole path in the archive, how do i force tar store only "/archive" or even only the files inside "archive" WITHOUT cding into it?
08:55<urbinek>*waka*waka*waka* '< ¤¤¤ [' '] ¤¤¤ [' '] ¤¤¤ [' ']
08:56<urbinek>sorry, not there ^^'
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08:57<defor>themill: -C doesn't do what i want, it complains about not having enough courage to create an empty archive or something like that
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08:58<jm_>defor: man tar, find --strip-components
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09:00<defor>jm_: it seems that works only with extraction, i need something similar on compression
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09:00<defor>jm_: i mean on archiving
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09:03<amjad>I have a new computer and rying to install debian 4.0. It is not detecting the hard drive ans adking me to load the driver. Is there anyway I can know which driver I should load
09:04<jm_>amjad: install debian 5.0 instead
09:05<amjad>yes, jm_ , but the guy is a developer and wants to use the same version as used by production our production servers
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09:06<jm_>amjad: which kernel version is it?
09:06<jm_>defor: then use --transform
09:07<jm_>defor: or simpler yet: cd <dir> ; tar cvf blabla.tar archive
09:07<jm_>i.e. use relative path when telling it which dir to store in the archive
09:08<amjad>hmm, 2.6.18-6-686
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09:09<jm_>you should be able to install with lenny netinst
09:10<defor>jm_: my question included "WITHOUT cding into it"
09:10<jm_> - Installing the "Etch-And-A-Half" release
09:10<defor>jm_: what is etch&1/2?
09:11<themill>defor: -C should work quite happily... tar -C /path/to/base -cvf foobar.tar .
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09:11<themill>defor: alternatively, use a subshell "(cd /path/to/base && tar -cvf foobar.tar .) " Note that the location of the tarball is different though
09:12<defor>themill: here it complains about not having enough courage to create an empty archive
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09:12<themill>defor: the things to stick into the archive should be relative to the path you've given to -C
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09:15<jm_>defor: you can't do it without chdir, either by tar or manually
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09:17<peej>I have a 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) for my audio. Lenny *almost* plays mp3s through it. (almost == mp3 players play as if it is all working, but no sound comes out). I've maxxed all the audio settings, unmuted everything, but no luck. Suggestions?
09:17<themill>jm_: I'm working on the assumption that we're trying to avoid "cd" not chdir(2).
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09:17<jm_>themill: yes, I have no idea why cd is so problematic
09:18<connar>anyone here knows how to start protege frm terminal?
09:18<themill>jm_: yeah well... some people don't know about pushd/popd or cd -
09:18<jm_>or subshells
09:19<ranix>subshells were rough the first time I ran into them without understanding
09:19<ranix>particularly makefiles running each line in a separate shell
09:22*peej reckons dell xps m1330 is a reeking pile of crap. The chips inside vary over the months. There seems to be no way you can be sure the laptop you buy will function well in linux.
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09:23<jm_>peej: you could try more recent version of alsa
09:23<themill>peej: all laptop manufacturers do that.... the model number seems to relate more to the colour of the case than anything else these days.
09:23<peej>btw, it plays sound in u*tu. Maybe I should move to squeeze.
09:24<peej>jm_ : good idea. I'll try that first.
09:24<themill>judd versions alsa-source
09:24<judd>themill: alsa-source -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 squeeze: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg+1.0.18a-1
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09:24<connar>anone here knows how to install and run Protege in ubuntu?
09:25<themill>connar: try #ubuntu on
09:26<ranix>installing linux might be too easy these days
09:26<ranix>how can you install it without knowing what you installed
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09:27<ranix>because you couldn't possibly come to #debian asking ubuntu questions unless you had no idea what you were doing
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09:29<themill>ranix: or because you think that #d is a version of #ubuntu for "harder" questions. We get a lot of that. Also realise that xchat in ubuntu just has "debian servers" highlighted by default and it then throws you into #debian.
09:30<peej>I get the message: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! for debconf-utils alsa-source. I already have the newest debian-archive-keyring and debian-maintainers. Somebody enclue me please?
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09:30<Hydroxide>themill: do you know if someone has filed a bug in ubuntu's launchpad about that? it'd be nice to get them to fix it in time for jaunty
09:31<themill>Hydroxide: filed. ignored. ignored. ... I finally made a patch for them last week and it's been included for jaunty :S
09:31<Hydroxide>themill: I'm glad it'll be fixed at last, then :) good job
09:32<Hydroxide>themill: they really don't do a good job maintaining their universe packages in a sensible way
09:32<themill>Hydroxide: It doesn't change the "default" for people who have run xchat once before though -- xchat copies its internal defaults into the user's ~/.xchat on first invocation.
09:32<Hydroxide>yeah. hard to do a perfect solution.
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09:33<craigevil>the bug for ubuntu/xchat has been on launchpad for over a yr, it still point to #debian go figure
09:33<Hydroxide>craigevil: a few lines up, themill said he submitted a patch that they have included into their next release, jaunty
09:33<themill>Hydroxide: I gave them a dpatch patch which already had the right sequence number in it... it would have confirmed even more of my predjudices had the patch also been ignored....
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09:34<craigevil>hopefully they actually use it :)
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09:34<themill>craigevil: supposedly included and patched. Let's hope they don't lose it on the next resync as happened with their konversation patches of similar nature.
09:34<Hydroxide>I don't think they're actively hostile to debian, and most of the people who actually work for canonical have a good attitude toward the relationship, but a lot of the people who maintain universe packages don't really feel much of a sense of responsibility toward debian or aren't even always aware of the relationship much
09:35<peej>so minimizing taking up packages from universe would seem wise.
09:36<themill>or just use debian...
09:36<Hydroxide>peej: that's not something we have any control over. many packages that we debian people fully support in our main distribution and consider normal for people to want to use on their systems are much less well supported by ubuntu in their universe distribution
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09:38<peej>Hydroxide, er... that's consistent with what I'm saying, right?
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09:38<jlj>Hi, I'm trying to set up a virtual sound card using alsa and 2 regular cards. The audio plays fine through both cards, but the cpu load increases incrementaly the longer it plays. Ie it starts at ~5% for a mp3 and increases to 100% after about 15 minutes. Anyone have any idea why?
09:39<peej>jlj, no, but that's really interesting. Does it do the same for any app? Eg, mpg123, multiple sources?
09:40<jlj>It did when I tried a youtube video. I could check with xine and some other apps too. But yea I think so
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09:49<jlj>yup. It went to 100% cpu load again. strange
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09:54<defor>themill: what's the final dot for in "tar -C /path/to/base -cvf foobar.tar ."?
09:55<themill>defor: that's the list of files. "." is the directory /path/to/base. If you just wanted /path/to/base/contents in the tar, then you'd use "tar -C /path/to/base -cvf foobar.tar contents"
09:56<defor>themill: why not "*"?
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09:58<themill>defor: * would be expanded by the shell in the wrong place. * would be in cwd but you'd have different files in /path/to/base.
09:58<themill>(and tar doesn't expand * for you like some commands do)
09:58<weasel>or you could cd /path/to/base && tar cvf /wherever/foo.tar .
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09:59<themill>weasel: we've been over that one several times now... not quite sure why it's not acceptable.
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09:59<weasel>themill: ah. I see. somebody doesn't like the easy, reliable and portable way.
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10:01<defor>themill: this is very odd: if i replace the "f foobar.tar ." part with " . > foobar.tar", i get a literal "." parent dir in the archive (instead of no parent dir)? what's the reason?
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10:02<themill>defor: * would also not catch files or directories that started with a ".".
10:02*peej discovers m-a
10:03<weasel>f <target> is not optional.
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10:03<weasel>(at least not the way you think)
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10:03<themill>well... stdout can be fun!
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10:04<weasel>themill: no f <target> doesn't mean stdou.
10:04<weasel>that's the point.
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10:04<defor>weasel: but tar still works! without it and with redirection, what is the
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10:04<weasel>you're just lucky.
10:05<weasel>you haven't set the TAPE environment variable anywhere.
10:05<weasel>if you want stdout, say f -
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10:06<themill>weasel: so it does mean stdout unless you have TAPE set... :P
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10:06<TMcTrain>i installed Lenny with german language and keyboard layout, but in SSH shell there wouln't shown special caracters
10:06<TMcTrain>how can i get this working?
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10:07<defor>weasel, themill: still the same odd difference when replacing "f foobar.tar ." with "f - . > foobar.tar"!
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10:13<defor>weasel: i haven't used tapes for a very long time and i don't think using tapes is reasonable these days anyway
10:13<ranix>defor: what? where would you get that idea
10:13<ranix>defor: what do you use for off-site backups then
10:14<defor>ranix: are you kidding? ever heard of usb sticks?
10:14<ranix>defor: I dub thee Sir Retarded
10:14<ranix>carry on
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10:19<peej>defor: yup. never could get 1 gig on a c60 cassette.
10:19<defor>ranix: are you implying the tar application is retarded too?
10:19<azeem>ranix: please refrain from personal attacks
10:19<ranix>defor: tar stands for "tape archive"
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10:19<TMcTrain>I need a small http-server (perl-cgi / bash) any suggestions?
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10:20<ranix>defor: I have used it several times for... tape archives
10:20<ranix>azeem: sorry, I was at a loss for words and it slipped out
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10:20<peej>TMcTrain, lighttpd (pronounced "lighty")
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10:21<defor>ranix: would you recommend something else for creating archives?
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10:26<ranix>defor: I've switched to dump and restore because it's the simplest possible procedure
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10:26<ranix>defor: dump an entire filesystem, restore an entire filesystem, from any media any time
10:26<ranix>defor: I use DLT tape
10:27<ranix>for compressed dump images about 46-50 gigabytes in size
10:27<defor>ranix: i need it for small directories
10:27<ranix>incrementals are 4-10 gigs daily, performed to temporary storage
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10:29<ranix>defor: I put all my important business in /home/ on its own filesystem and dump it independently
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10:29<ranix>it's a "disaster recovery" schema, not just "backup"
10:29<azeem>defor: I suggest ignoring ranix
10:30<ranix>usually a good suggestion
10:30<azeem>ranix: then why are you doing Debian support?
10:30<ranix>azeem: I help occasionally
10:31<ranix>besides, I think knowing dump/restore and comparing it to tar/gzip is the correct way to figure out how to back up your data
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10:32<Tengu_>ranix: lvm dump and so on ?
10:32<azeem>ranix: I'm not sure defor asked for backing up data
10:32<azeem>he asked for tarring up a directory
10:32<Tengu_>[called snapshots if I'm not wronf]
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10:32<ranix>I don't think dump knows of lvm
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10:34<pasquale>uhm.. im been trying to install a game, but it looks like I've a video card from '80 -- looks really lame
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10:35<pasquale>i was wondering if it was because of what we modified yesterday
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10:39<johnco>Ok, reinstalled and fixed the error I had made.
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10:43<sander_m>Hi. Is there any place I can see the status of mirrors? I'm getting somewhere between 5 and 30 Kb/s from where I usually get much, much more.
10:43<johnco>What is the recommended backup pkg for a home user?
10:44<johnco>sander_m: Is that the nearest server?
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10:44<sander_m>johnco: Yes. Network-wise it's right around the corner
10:45<johnco>sander_m: Have you tried FTP over HTTP or visa versa?
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10:45<themill>johnco: I use rsnapshot but that's probably not for every home user
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10:46<johnco>themill: Thank you, I got backup ninja and backuppc, is still a fresh install, so nothing to really back up..yet, but am still looking
10:47<sander_m>johnco: FTP is just as slow as HTTP
10:48<johnco>sander_m: was worth an effort, perhaps those lines are congested.
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10:49<sander_m>johnco: I guess.
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10:50<johnco>sander_m: what are your standard ping results for site xyz?
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10:51<sander_m>johnco: Less that 100 ms
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10:52<johnco>sander_m: then it might be on your end, or the ISP , I am still a newb to this stuff,
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10:53<sander_m>johnco: I'll wait. At least the packages I wanted to install are finally downloaded. It took me nearly half an hour just to get glade2
10:53<johnco>Well that is a yipeee
10:53<johnco>slow, but job accomplished
10:56<johnco>Now I have to read about 10 pages on how netmasq or whatever works so that my IP is not slewn all over the internet.
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10:56<sander_m>Good luck
10:57<johnco>Is fun to play with that sorta stuff.
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10:58<johnco>I also have three sites to maintain and do not really want to leave Gnome prints all over.
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11:00<johnco>Into the shell I go, you all have a great time, and thank you for the assistance.
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11:07<pawel>what's lenny?
11:07<petern>debian 5.0
11:07<Cadmium01>pawel, it's the code name for the latest stable release of Debian
11:07<pawel>how to read file in console mode (without executing it)?
11:08<blarson>!tell pawel about lenny
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11:08<OdyX>cat, more or less
11:08<OdyX>vi{m}, {x}emacs, nano
11:08<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, editor is Something used to edit (change, create, modify, append, remove stuff from) files. There are both text editors and binary editors. <vi> and <emacs> (or flavors of same) are the standard *nix editors, though n00b5 might find <nano>, gedit, <nedit>, etc., more useful. The usual difference between, say, an editor and a word processor is that editors _just_ do plain text. See also <binary editor>.
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11:10<pawel>is gedit also available in base Debian without GUI?
11:10<gravity>gedit is fundamentally a gui program, isn't it?
11:10*themill looks for the gedit-nox package ...
11:11<pawel>is there any non-gui editor?
11:11<pawel>I have old computer without gui
11:11<themill>pawel: many: vim, emax, nano, ...
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11:11<themill>oh so much fail... I clearly need a coffee
11:12<Maulkin>!coffee themill
11:12*dpkg decants a fine broth of fair trade International Roast Caterers Blend for themill, courtesy of maulkin
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11:12<themill>Maulkin: eww!? but thanks...
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11:14<pawel>I can't exit vim!
11:14<gravity>pawel: Start with nano. If you have Debian already installed, it should be there
11:14<gravity>pawel: :q!
11:14<gravity>colon-q-!-<enter> will quit vim
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11:16<pawel>nothing happens
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11:16<pawel>I'm in editing mode I think
11:17<gravity>pawel: Try hitting escape first. Then :q!<enter>
11:17<pawel>ok. I'm back to Bash :)
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11:17<webflex>now use nano ;)
11:18<ptr>I refuse
11:18<gravity>pawel: Go with nano first. Try vim and emacs at a later date when you feel like spending some time with your text editors
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11:19<pawel>I prefer nano.
11:19<gravity>It's very easy to use, but not nearly as powerful. If it suits your needs though, then go with it.
11:19<pawel>I don't have emacs installed.
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11:22<dpkg>/quit you fool!
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11:24<pawel>is there any netwok configuration command?
11:25<Maulkin>Edit the file /etc/network/interfaces
11:25<gravity>There's a good manpage for that file
11:25<ranix>man interfaces
11:25<Maulkin>Then use ifup and ifdown
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11:25<pawel>I can't connect to Internet, but Debian detects my PCIMCIA (by ifconfig)
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11:26<webflex>ppl how do I change a name of a pen drive?
11:26<webflex>by command?
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11:26<ranix>sounds like you want to alter the drivelabel in fdisk
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11:28<pawel>how to scroll man up?
11:29<webflex>try the arrows
11:29<pawel>does not work
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11:30<craigevil>try shift+page up
11:30<peej>pawel, b
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11:31<pawel>thanks, shift+page up works
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11:33<TMcTrain>how can i change the language / font settings for console under lenny?
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11:39<pawel>what command configures network on eth0 via DHCP?
11:42<cahoot>looking for dhclient eth0?
11:43<ranix>pawel: I prefer the reader "less" to the default "more"
11:43<ranix>pawel: you should give it a shot and see if you like it
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11:44<ranix>makes reading manpages much easier
11:44<pawel>I don't have less
11:44<ranix>apt-get install less
11:44<pawel>I don't have net xD
11:45*ranix checks himself.
11:45<ranix>am I on the net right now?
11:45<pawel>yes you are
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11:45<themill>ranix: [16:25] <pawel> I can't connect to Internet, but Debian detects my PCIMCIA (by ifconfig)
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11:46<pawel>I have another old computer with Debian
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11:47<pawel>dhclient eth0 displays usage
11:47<dos3d_unilos>i have a nvidia realtek onboard sound card, which is detected, drivers are loaded, but no sound from speaker, alsamixer shows all channels unmuted. if i connect head phones to head fone jack, i get very low volume sound, which mutes / unmutes by switching surround on/off. i have a laptop running debian amd64
11:48<dos3d_unilos>can some one help me please
11:51<pawel>how to configure eth0 using DHCP?
11:51*dos3d_unilos says is the channel mute or is $me disconnected
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11:52<dos3d_unilos>pawel : ifconfig eth0 netmask <ipaddr>
11:53<dos3d_unilos>using dhcp : dhclient eth0 or dhcpcd eth0
11:53<schatan>tagchen... bin nach dem debian wiki fuer prism54 gegangen... benutze ein sinus 1054 data wlan usb stick
11:53<schatan>jedoch erhalte ich prism54usb: eeprom read failed!
11:54<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
11:54<schatan>und prism54usb: probe of 4-6:1.0 failed with error -22
11:54<schatan>oh sry
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11:55<pawel>dhclient eth0 - USAGE: (...) | dhcpd eth0 - command not found
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11:57<TMcTrain_> damn network connection
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11:58<pawel>how to use dhclient?
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11:58<cahoot>pawel: why not use the normal debian method via /etc/network/interfaces?
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11:59<pawel>I'll try
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11:59<pawel>but I'm n00b in terminal
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12:00<pawel>ACCESS DENIDED!
12:01<pawel>ok nano readed it.
12:01<pawel>2 lines
12:01<pawel>auto lo
12:02<pawel>iface lo inet loopback
12:02<pawel>what does it mean?
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12:03<cahoot>pawel: first: you need root privileges to edit interfaces, second man interfaces to see how/what you need to add
12:03<pawel>i'm root
12:03<pawel>ok i'll read man
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12:05<pasquale2>im having troubles to install nvidia drivers..
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12:05<pasquale2>after i did all the steps, when i write: glxinfo |grep rendering
12:05<pasquale2> it even says "command not found"..
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12:06<pawel>iface eth0 inet dhcp ?
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12:09<pawel>ifup --allow=hotplug eth0 eth1
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12:14<pawel>yes! it works!
12:14<pawel>I HAVE NET!
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12:15<pawel>now I will install some packages (about 100)
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12:17<pawel>I thinked sudo is installed by default.
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12:18<dos3d_unilos>well can ne 1 help me
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12:19<dr|z3d>!tell dos3d_unilos about ask
12:19<pawel>can Ubuntu packages be installed on Debian
12:19<amphi_>pawel: not a good idea
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12:20<dos3d_unilos>i have a nvidia realtek onboard sound card, which is detected, drivers are loaded, but no sound from speaker, alsamixer shows all channels unmuted. if i connect head phones to head fone jack, i get very low volume sound, which mutes / unmutes by switching surround on/off. i have a laptop running debian amd64
12:20<dr|z3d>pawel: It's possible, sometimes, but it's not advised.
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12:20<dr|z3d>Because Ubuntu packages are tailored to Ubuntu, not Debian.
12:20*amphi wonders what ubuntu packages that debian doesn't
12:20<pawel>is there nmap for Debian?
12:21<pawel>nemesis, python?
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12:21<amphi>!tell pawel -about search
12:21<Gathond>amphi: a set of satanic skins? :)
12:21*dos3d_unilos waits...
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12:25<pawel>there is sometning like "#line commented by installer because ailed to verify" in sources.list
12:25<pawel>and then " lenny/updates main"
12:26<pawel>uncomment it?
12:26<TMcTrain_>how canI set language for console?
12:26<dos3d_unilos>how can my sound card work again
12:27<pawel>uncomment it?
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12:28<pawel>are universe and multiverse only Ubuntu repositories?
12:29<dos3d_unilos>seems bad day for me
12:29<pawel>are they also available for Debian?
12:29<Elessar>if someone knows enough about the debian-installer preseed and partman: is there a way to preconfigure the disc label type (gpt, instead of msdos)?
12:29<Elessar>pawel: non, these are ubuntu terms
12:29<dr|z3d>pawel: Yes, those are Ubuntu's repositores.
12:29<Elessar>pawel: in debian, there is main, contrib and non-free
12:29<Elessar>pawel: these cryptic universe multiverse restricted are only ubuntu :)
12:30<pawel>I have only lenny/updates main - uncomment it and add lenny/updates contrib non-free ?
12:31<Elessar>rather modify the man line:
12:31<Elessar>deb-src lenny main contrib non-free
12:32<Elessar>main, contrib and non-free are only sections of repositories, so they can be specified on a single line.
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12:32<pawel>is it french?
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12:32<Elessar>My config is french. :)
12:32<Elessar>I use the french repository, that is closer to me.
12:32<Elessar>But use the one that is closer to *you*. :)
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12:34<Elessar>And also add these section to the security line!
12:35<Elessar>So that you have these sections enabled for both the main archive repository and the security updates.
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12:36<Elessar>This should give you a two lines sources.list, four lines if you have the deb-src lines, used for getting source packages.
12:37<ricco>hi all... can help sy to me? I'd like to start a program automatically after the X start on Lenny (Gnome window manager)
12:37<ricco>how can I do that?
12:37<pawel>I have, and src
12:37<dr|z3d>ricco: Just save your session.
12:38<pawel>do I need ?
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12:38<pawel>and what contrib differs from main?
12:39<dr|z3d>ricco: Or Edit your Startup prefs in Gnome..
12:39<ricco>one more question: I can't listen to music but I can use the Skype, it has sound
12:39<pawel>*how :)
12:39<Elessar>contrib contains packages that need non-free software to build or to run
12:39<dr|z3d>ricco: System -> Prefs -> Startup Apps..
12:40<fxiny>ricco: control center --> Session Properties & Startup
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12:40<pawel>non-free means that I must buy it after some days?
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12:40<Elessar>No, non free means non-free as in non-free speech. :)
12:40<Elessar>It means they do not follow Debians's free software guidelines.
12:41<ricco>drjz3d:ok, i found it
12:41<Elessar>In general, because you have no access to the source code, or because you are not free to modify them.
12:41<fxiny>and free means free of debt , being money a measure of debt :P
12:41<pawel>they're free to use (I don't pay) bat aren't open source?
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12:41<ricco>but the most important thing is the sound
12:41<Elessar>pawel: right
12:41<fxiny>free from*
12:42<Elessar>pawel: free to use, no, not necessarily
12:42<Elessar>pawel: there can be restrictions to their use
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12:42<Elessar>pawel: there can be a restrictive licence agreement, that may forbid you to do certain things
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12:43<djc>probably explain it best
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12:43<Elessar>yes, it surely does :)
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12:44<djc>Open Source != Free
12:44<Elessar>well, open source == free software != freeware, i would say
12:44<djc>Its possible for there to be 'Open Source' software that is not "Free"
12:45<Elessar>open source == free as in free speech, after all, debian has *free* software guidelines :)
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12:45<pawel>that you must pay for it? if it si open source anyone can compile it and distribute!
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12:45*Elessar does not have this problem in french :)
12:45<fxiny>that's about propietary and foss
12:45<gravity>For most people, the difference is negligible, but within the community people should be aware of the difference
12:45<djc>it isnt about monetary cost
12:45<clodde>Hello. Can Lenny's ffmpeg encode to mpeg4? I'm using the program "motion" and i was planning to switch from Etch to Lenny but i've read ffmpeg mpeg4 encoding was removed for licensing reasons, is that true?
12:46<Elessar>pawel: you can pay to buy a debian dvd, for instance
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12:46<djc>There are companies that give away 'freeware' that is not Free Software (or even 'Open Source')
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12:46<Elessar>pawel: burning dvd is not free, so it is normal to be paid for that
12:46<Elessar>this is only an example
12:46<djc>Well, the blank dvd's themselves arent free
12:46<djc>nor mailing them
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12:47<djc>there is Free Software for burning dvd/cd's
12:47<pawel>I know what is the difference between open source and freeware
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12:48<djc>There is also a difference between 'Free Software' and 'Freeware'
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12:48<djc>I refer you again to
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12:52<pawel>is also deb (not deb-src) at
12:53<pawel><Elessar> deb-src lenny main contrib non-free
12:53<pawel>is there also deb lenny main contrib non-free
12:53<azeem>why don't you try?
12:54<azeem>and what do you have in your sources.list right now?
12:54<azeem>put it on a pastebin
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12:54<pawel>won't I break something?
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12:54<azeem>by pastbinning?
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12:55<pawel>I can't paste
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12:55<pawel>I have cdrom,,
12:56<azeem>pawel: did you say no to the question about internet updates?
12:56<pawel>cdrom only deb
12:56<pawel>the rest deb & deb-src
12:56<fxiny>amphi: XMonad.Layout.MagicFocus and DragPane : best wm around :)
12:56<azeem>pawel: did you say no to the question about internet updates?
12:56<pawel>my internet is now working
12:57<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
12:57<fxiny>amphi: copying from iceweasel to emacs with magicfocus and a horizontal layout like dragpane is a bliss ;)
12:58<azeem>pawel: so fr
12:58<pawel>I am now editing sources.list
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12:58<pawel><Elessar> deb-src lenny main contrib non-free
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12:58<pawel>will it work when I add the same but with deb, not deb-src ?
12:59<azeem>pawel: 18:52 < azeem> why don't you try?
12:59<pawel>won't I break something?
12:59<azeem>also, combine the stuff dpkg wrote with what Elessar wrote and make your own judgement
12:59<azeem>pawel: why do you think so
12:59<azeem>pawel: also, you asked "will it work", not "will it break"
13:00<pawel>I think so because I'm editing system files an I'm n00b in that
13:00<pawel>ok, I'll try.
13:01<amphi>fxiny: ;) I start to feel my desultory quest for the ideal wm is over
13:01<azeem>pawel: do you have gnome?
13:01<fxiny>amphi: mee too :)
13:02<pawel>I'm back.
13:02<pawel>azeem: no, I don't
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13:02<pawel>I don't have gui
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13:03<pawel>because I hame i386 250 MHz processor, 64MB RAM and $ GB HDD
13:03<pawel>*4 GB
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13:04<azeem>pawel: hrm?
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13:04<pawel>neither gnome nor kde would work
13:04<azeem>pawel: then running apt-get will be painful anyway
13:04<azeem>but go ahead
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13:04<pawel><azeem> pawel: then running apt-get will be painful anyway | why?
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13:06<amphi>fxiny: didn't try xmobar yet, I'll get around to it in the fullness of time
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13:07<fxiny>xmobar beats konqui and gkrellm
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13:07<pawel>is there any gui that would work on that old computer?
13:08<fxiny>cpu mem swap eth0 eth1 date and weather all togheter in a nice bar
13:09<fxiny>a bit better then dzen
13:09<pawel>is there any gui that would work on that old computer?
13:09<fxiny>old ? pII 400 here
13:10<pawel>64m ram/
13:10<Gathond>e16 probably
13:10<Gathond>it was developed when 64 MB was a lot:)
13:11<Gathond>it may not actually run any really usefull applications at this day in age
13:11<fxiny>this one was born with 64
13:11<fxiny>and now is a f* damned advanced box running lenny
13:12<Cadmium01>I want to be able to connect to a computer that's behind a rotter that I dont controll
13:12<Cadmium01>what are my options>
13:12<djc>talk to whoever controls the router?
13:13<djc>maybe they dont want you to do that
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13:13<pawel>is Debian very much different from Ubuntu?
13:13<Cadmium01>djc, what if that's not an option?
13:13<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: hamachi for you. Easiest method.
13:13<blarson>!tell pawel about ubuntu
13:13<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, hamachi sucks, does not work for me
13:13<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: Works *fine* here.
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13:13<djc>If you dont control the router, it isnt your network, and perhaps doing what you want could be considered illegal
13:14<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: You might find ghamachi helps.
13:14<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, it wont ping the computers on network
13:14<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, cant get ghamachi, penguinbyte is down
13:14<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: Could be remote computers firewalls interferring.. or yours.
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13:15<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: ghamachi is available elsewhere, just ensure you get 0.81
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13:15<Cadmium01>remote comp is behind roter, no firewalls on Debian lenny by default is there?
13:15<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, cold not find i telsewhere
13:15<dr|z3d>The router itself may be blocking pings.
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13:15<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, no, I cant ssh either
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13:16<pawel><pawel> is there any gui that would work on that old computer?
13:16<dr|z3d>Doesn't appear you looked too hard, Cadmium01..
13:16<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, that liks to penguinbyte
13:16<dr|z3d>pawel: How old is old?
13:16<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: Ah :/
13:16<pawel>i386 250 MHz processor, 64MB RAM and 4 GB HDD
13:17<Cadmium01>pawel x desktop environment?
13:17<azeem>pawel: have you fixed your sources.list yet?
13:17<pawel>yes i have
13:17<fxiny>pawel: i'd try fluxbox awesome or xmonad , forget iceweasel
13:17<pawel>all works fine
13:17<fxiny>pawel: or lxde
13:18<pawel>what is xfce
13:18<fxiny>lxde is for mouse users
13:18<fxiny>lxde is light
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13:18<pawel>what is xfce?
13:18<dr|z3d>pawel: You might get away with running puppy linux on that hardware.
13:19<dr|z3d>Xfce is a lightweight environment, similar to Gnome.
13:20<dr|z3d>You'd really want some more ram in that system, at the very least. But, tbh, that spec will be painful to run.
13:20<fxiny>almost impossible
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13:20<fxiny>xfce is not that light
13:20<pawel>I am looking for light and fash GUI, in which FIrefox and Thunderbird will work
13:20<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: Give me a second, I'll make ghamachi available, have a copy here.
13:21<amphi>'for mouse users', heh
13:21<Cadmium01>pawel, even if you fing light and fast desktop environment, what are you going to run on it except terminal? lol
13:21<dr|z3d>pawel: Anything less than 500Mhz with 256M ram will be painful. 512M ram is preferred, with a gui based environment.
13:21<fxiny>pawel: forget firefox , maybe links2 can run on a 64 ram box
13:21<amphi>pawel: ff & tb will work with any, or indeed no, window manager
13:21<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, thanks
13:21<pawel>ff worked in windows.
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13:22<pawel>but I removed windows
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13:22<pawel>it sucks :)
13:23<pawel>which of them is fastest and lighest?
13:23<fxiny>awesome and xmonad
13:24<fxiny>but they are not for noobs
13:24<fxiny>try lxde
13:24<pawel>*light, fash and for n00bs
13:24<fxiny>fluxbox is not that hard
13:25<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, thanks mate
13:25<pawel>what is lighter, lxde or fluxbox?
13:25<fxiny>lxde is a point-and-click-forget-settings desktop
13:25<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: ghamachi needs sudo/gksudo.
13:26<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, gotcha
13:26<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: And you're best advised copying to /usr/bin
13:27<fxiny>pawel: but why not going for a really advanced wm like a tiling wm ? awesome is user friendly
13:27<pawel>what is lighter, lxde or fluxbox?
13:27<fxiny>even easier then fluxbox
13:27<pawel>because i'm n00b
13:27<dr|z3d>Fluxbox os lighter, for sure.
13:27<ml>you can also try openbox
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13:28<fxiny>yes , openbox is light , lxde is based on openbox
13:28<adb>fxiny: on gnome ...
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13:29<fxiny>adb: i am on the best wm : xmonad
13:29<fxiny>is addictive like tetris
13:29<adb>i have to try too
13:30<fxiny>awesome is nice but look at xmonad contrib , you'll die
13:30<adb>i see
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13:31<Cadmium01>gnome isnt asking me for admin pass, what's up with that?
13:31<ShoesLife>it's in the keyring
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13:32<pawel>I think fluxbox is lighter and faster than lxde
13:32<fxiny>pawel: fluxbox is configurable
13:32<pawel>what do you think?
13:32<dr|z3d>fxiny: Sell us the benefits of xmonad..
13:33<fxiny>i have flux awesome wmii and xmonad atm . kde sleeping in a corner
13:33<fxiny>dr|z3d: XMonad.Layout.MagicFocus
13:33<fxiny>dr|z3d: is fantastic
13:34*dr|z3d installs to check the goodness.
13:34<fxiny>dr|z3d: a tip : xmobar ;)
13:34<dr|z3d>fxiny: Thanks, will have a looksee :)
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13:35<fxiny>dr|z3d: i am totally addicted , fantastic docs
13:35<pawel>lxde is not configurable?
13:35<pawel>in any way?
13:35<Cadmium01>can you guys direct me to some basic networking tutorials that explains network devices, routing etc?
13:35<fxiny>pawel: just a bit
13:35<dr|z3d>fxiny: I remain to be convinced.. it's gotta be something special to usurp Xfce for me :)
13:36<pawel>Is fluxbox lighter than it?
13:36<fxiny>dr|z3d: is much more then special
13:36<ml>yes pawel
13:36<pawel>i will install fluxbox
13:36<fxiny>dr|z3d: i run xmonad on etch , some debian.people backports
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13:37<pawel>is there any way to install fluxbox without autostart?
13:37<dr|z3d>pawel: Disable gdm, perhaps.
13:37<pawel>I mean to start if from console with a command when I want
13:38<ml>you need to edit ~/.xinitrc
13:39<fxiny>dr|z3d: yo can look into dzen as well ( iprefere xmobar) and don't forget dmenu from dwm/dwm-tools
13:39<ml>and purge gdm if you are not using it
13:39<amphi>fxiny: you're on etch?
13:39<fxiny>amphi: on lenny
13:40<pawel>how to purge gdm and edit whai in /.initrc ?
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13:40<Cadmium01>I'm reading a manpage: man netstat and it is refering to route(8) is this some sort of a navigation link?
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13:42<ml>pawel: take a look at this :
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13:42<fxiny>amphi: that was last year , me checking xmonad
13:43<ml>pawel: do you use gdm?
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13:44<ml>or is it tinstalled/
13:44<djc>Cadmium01, 'man route'
13:44<fxiny>pawel: you can check slim
13:44<ranix>Cadmium01: that route manpage is in section 8
13:44<ranix>Cadmium01: in case of manpage overlap, you could "man 8 rout" to see the entry for "rout" in section 8
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13:44<ml>with that hardware just use startx
13:45<amphi>fxiny: ah
13:45<ranix>and "man 3 rout" in section 3
13:45<Cadmium01>ranix, thanks
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13:45<ml>pawel: just do: aptitude purge gdm
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13:46<TMcTrain>my linux doen't show special caracters keyboard layout is ok, but not the display of files in console using cat, ls etc.
13:46<TMcTrain>what do I have to change in settings?
13:46<pawel>but do i need to install it again after I purged it?
13:46<ml>is it installed?
13:47<dr|z3d>pawel: If you need a greeter, try aptitude install slim .. much more lightweight.
13:47<pawel>fluxbox? no.
13:47<fxiny>amphi: but it crashed , maybe it was my fault
13:47<ml>gdm pawel
13:47<ml>not fluxbox
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13:48<fxiny>amphi: anyway i was looking forward to stable lenny packages
13:48<fxiny>and i am here ;)
13:48<fxiny>i have to say that awesome is good and fast .
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13:49<ml>so no gdm?
13:49<pawel>after I purged gdm, use /etc/init.d/gdm start to start it?
13:50<ml>no it's gone
13:50<ml>< dr|z3d> pawel: If you need a greeter, try aptitude install slim .. much more lightweight.
13:51<ml>but follow the guide on the link I pasted
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13:51<pawel>for what do i need greeter?
13:52<ml>you don't that's if you want one
13:52<ranix>pawel: for what do you need gdm
13:53<ml>pawel: take a look at this :
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13:55<amphi>fxiny: yeah, gorgeous is snappy enough
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13:56<fxiny>amphi: it is . fast light and new user friendly
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13:56<ml>fxiny: link for awesome?
13:56<k1lumin4t1>How could I recover a grub2 debian testing installation after installing Windows XP?
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13:57<Guest774>k1lumin4t1, you must boot your PC with a Live CD of Linux
13:57<fxiny>ml: just go for it : awesome install just two packages , xmoand a trillions
13:57<k1lumin4t1>Guest774, I just did that. And then?
13:58<Guest774>ok , now you must to mount your HD in, for example, /mnt
13:58<k1lumin4t1>Guest774, ok
13:58<Guest774>if you hard drive is sda1
13:59<ml>fxiny: is it a WM?
13:59<k1lumin4t1>yes yes
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13:59<k1lumin4t1>Guest774, I know what you mean
13:59<k1lumin4t1>Guest774, then?
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13:59<Guest774>if you partition of linux it's in sda3 , for example
13:59<Guest774>mount /dev/sda3 /mnt
13:59<k1lumin4t1>Guest774, and then chroot into it?
13:59<fxiny>ml: yes :
14:00<Guest774>k1lumin4t1, next you must change with chroot your /
14:00<k1lumin4t1>Guest774, ok
14:00<fxiny>ml: comparing it to dwm and other tiling wm is more new user friendly
14:00<Guest774>k1lumin4t1, wait a minute
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14:01<pawel>when I will comment exec fluxbox in .initrc computer will start in text mode - no gui?
14:01<fxiny>awesome comes with all tiling wm features and loads of layouts
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14:01<ml>fxiny: i will take a look, but i,m used to openbox
14:01<pawel>when I will comment exec fluxbox in .initrc computer will start in text mode - no gui?
14:02<ml>yes pawel
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14:02<ml>after you login then do startx to start fluxbox
14:02<fxiny>ml: is all about about your daily routines , i won't go back to a normal wm
14:02<pawel>and how to start fluxbox from text mode?
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14:03<ml>read above pawel
14:03<Cadmium01>should a hostname of a linux system be or is enough?
14:03<ml>fxiny: i'm going to try it out later
14:04<Cadmium01>I'm setting it in /etc/hosname
14:04<ml>gl pawel
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14:04<ml>fxiny: have you used openbox?
14:04<peelt>how do you install and configure your own jabber voice server/clients system? what's your favorite documentation site or wiki? thanks for answering i accept private msgs too
14:04<fxiny>ml: a wm must manage windows , a tiling wm does it , xmonad does even more
14:05<Elessar>fxiny: awesome \o/
14:05<fxiny>ml: yes i know openbox , i use fluxbox
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14:05<ml>can you compare for me?
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14:05<fxiny>ml: but fluxbox ,compring to a tiling wm is like windows ;)
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14:06<fxiny>Elessar: yes , awesome is good , fast light and funny
14:06<fxiny>more then wmii
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14:07<Elessar>fxiny: I tried awesome once, and then kept it and never came back to wmii. :)
14:07<fxiny>ml: take this xmonad magicfocus thingy
14:08<peelt>please answer
14:08<peelt>this is not for school, i need it for my network
14:08<Cadmium01>peelt, havent used it, no idea, sorry
14:08<Cadmium01>peelt, what is Jabber?
14:08<Elessar>But for me, aweseome is most importantly: modern and elegant.:
14:08<peelt>Cadmium01: jabber is when you chat
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14:09<peelt>Cadmium01: like msn, only open source
14:09<Cadmium01>I see
14:09<Elessar>peelt: wait, i think i can answer, just give me some time to read you
14:09<magyar_>hi, anyone using courier-maildrop? Is there a way to specify a different "filter" file besides default ~/.mailfilter?
14:09<peelt>Elessar: thank you a lot
14:09<ml>peelt: can help either
14:09<ml>looks good fxiny
14:09<Elessar>Cadmium01: Jabber is the instant messaging network based on xmpp protocol, that is Internet (IETF) standardfor IM.
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14:10<peelt>yes, instant messaging
14:10<fxiny>ml: two splitted windows , horizontal . iveweasel and emacs . 75% and 25% . say you have emacs on the smaller and you have to type into emacs . you focus it and magicfocus *moves* it on the largest window for you :)
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14:11<fxiny>no resizing
14:11<ml>that's nice fxiny
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14:11<fxiny>ml: there is more then that , much more
14:11<Turtle`>anyone here to lend a hand?
14:11<ml>fxiny: any good tutorials to help get started?
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14:12<Turtle`>no one? :/
14:12<buffoon>hi! i did an dist-upgrade (on sid) yesterday and today i got millions of messages like: "buffoon modprobe: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, it will be ignored in a future release."
14:12<beagle_skywalker>rnd_name, hello
14:12<fxiny>ml: just let aptitude recommended installing all debs or apt-cache search for xmonad docs . debian provides a full documentation
14:13<buffoon>and not just for blacklist, it seems for every module...
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14:14<fxiny>ml: same docs are avaiable on line at the haskell site
14:14<ml>ok fxiny ima give it a try later, thank you
14:14<fxiny>ml: huge contribs
14:14<ml>haskel site?
14:14<fxiny>ml: tons of layouts screenshots
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14:14<ml>link please
14:14<fxiny>yes , is a haskell thing
14:14<fxiny>google ?
14:14<ml>lol ok
14:15<Turtle`>I cant boot lenny, right before it launches the GUI my monitor complains about the signal being too high, am currently sat on the terminal at the machine, how can I change the res of xserv?
14:15<c36pop>hi how can i in batch delete all the files that are older than 1 week in a folder
14:15<c36pop>in bach sorry
14:16<beagle_skywalker>Turtle`, you are new in linux?
14:16<fxiny>ml: so many screenshots and user configs . this is a typical : watch it before installing it thingy
14:16<rnd_name>is there a method for mounting an encrypted LVM (passphrase is known) with either a livecd or on another system?
14:16<fxiny>be carefull , is like tetris ...
14:16<Turtle`>beagle_skywalker: yes, although im not new to computers, rarely used unix or linux
14:17<beagle_skywalker>login in a terminal
14:17<beagle_skywalker>and you must edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
14:17<ml>ok i googled which site? .org .com
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14:19<Turtle`>yeah i googled the problem and figured it was in xorg.conf which needed changing but you recon yo could take me through editing it quickly?
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14:19<fxiny>ml: all this documentation is debianized : , uou google for the screnshots
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14:20<ml>thank you fxiny
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14:21<fxiny>ml: seen ? is not hard , any links explains how to edit your configs
14:21<beagle_skywalker>Turtle`, what's the exactly the problem?
14:22<Turtle`>debian goes through the normal boot procedure fine, but as soon as it comes to the point it needs to load a GUI the monitor says it cant handle the resolution
14:22<beagle_skywalker>Turtle`, the resolution of xorg?
14:23<beagle_skywalker>k1lumin4t1, i was reading information about grub2, and the commands are equals to grub
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14:25<beagle_skywalker>k1lumin4t1, the process to reinstall grub2 are equal that grub
14:25<Turtle`>well if the resolution is too high and the monitor brings up an error message and I get a black screen when loading the GUI im guessing that xorg?
14:25<ml>fxiny: it looks good, just need to read up on this
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14:25<beagle_skywalker>Turtle`, edit xorg.conf and modify the options of resolution
14:26<beagle_skywalker>with VI or emacs or nano
14:26<Turtle`>ok, cheers beagle_skywalker
14:27<k1lumin4t1>beagle_skywalker, hmmm the same proccess hasn't worked for me yet
14:27<beagle_skywalker>cheers Turtle` and you can modify too the frecuency of your monitor
14:27<fxiny>ml: you can install awesome . get used to tiling wm by playing with it while reading
14:27<Turtle`>are they standard linux cmds
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14:28<beagle_skywalker>k1lumin4t1, mmmmmm..........
14:28<pawel>how to shutdown debian in text mode?
14:28<ml>fxiny: there are so many options
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14:29<urbinek1>how can i restore fonts setting in kde ?
14:29<ml>pawel: as root shutdown -h now
14:29<fxiny>ml: yes , you can do anything you want:)
14:29<pawel>will it halt or power off?
14:29<dr|z3d>pawel: man shutdown
14:29<urbinek1>before update thay wer like > and after > ~_~
14:29<dr|z3d>halt = power off.
14:29<pawel>thx :)
14:30<dr|z3d>Check the man page.
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14:30<beagle_skywalker>k1lumin4t1, try to read man grub 2
14:30<beagle_skywalker>Turtle`, standart for all distributions?
14:30<fxiny>ml: this is a good tutorial :'s_Configuration
14:31<ml>fxiny: this will be much better than using screen and xterm
14:31<magyar_>anyone using maildrop?
14:31<clodde>man fc opens nano. Is this normal or a bug? Lenny here..
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14:32<urbinek_at_home>any 1... ?
14:32<beagle_skywalker>i 'm go to eat something
14:32<fxiny>ml: mrxvt+screen+irssi here :)
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14:33<fxiny>ml: and i found out there is elscreen too . for my emacs :)
14:33<ml>ic that i will still use screen
14:33<beagle_skywalker>I'll go for snack
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14:34<Turtle`>cheers balazsbela
14:34<ml>fxiny: xterm+screen+irssi :)
14:34<Turtle`>ahh too late
14:34<fxiny>ml: heheeh
14:35<pawel>i installed fluxbox (apt-get install fluxbox) but startx does not work :(
14:35<fxiny>ml: i've checked a tabbed xmonad layout today , i was tabbed up : mrxvt 9 tabs . iceweasel tabs , emacs tabs , and all windows tabbed :)
14:35<ml>pawel: did you edit ~/.xinitrc ?
14:36<dr|z3d>pawel: try fluxbox from a prompt.
14:36<ml>nice fxiny
14:36<pawel>i don't have ~/.xinitrc
14:36<ml>make it pawel
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14:36<ml>nano .xinitrc
14:36<fxiny>ml: not a single mouse click !
14:36<ml>nice :)
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14:38<fxiny>ml: i forgot vimperator ;)
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14:39<massimo_>Non riesco a configurare la rete wireless, qualcuno mi può aiutare?
14:39<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:40<fxiny>no list tonight ? :P
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14:41<urbinek_at_home>so any one know how to restore fonts settings ?
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14:42<pawel>exec fluxbox - error:couldn't tonnect to XServer
14:42<massimo__>si grazie mi puoi dire come si fa?
14:43<pawel>vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano.
14:43<pawel>what's this?
14:44<pawel>what's x server?
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14:44<pawel>and how to connect?
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14:45<dr|z3d>pawel: Do please make liberal use of google.
14:46<pawel>how to connect?
14:46<ml>pawel edit .xinitrc and change ....
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14:46<ml>exec fluxbox with...
14:46<ml>exec startfluxbox
14:47<ml>try that
14:47<jthomas>x server is the graphics part of Linux. without it you only have command line. You'll need to make sure the X Server is installed (aptitude install xserver-xorg) and running; after installing it a reboot should help it run automatically.
14:49<fxiny>pawel: echo "exec fluxbox" > ~/.xsession
14:49<fxiny>then startx
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14:51<magyar_>anyone using maildrop?
14:52<enouf>fxiny: maybe also update-alternatives --config x-* ?
14:53<fxiny>enouf: hey :)
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14:57<pawel>translation error :(
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14:58<pawel>how to download package in English?
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14:59<pawel>how to install English packages without automatic translation?
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15:00<pawel>how to install English packages without automatic translation?
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15:02<fxiny>enouf: time to go , catch you tomorrow :)
15:02<rnd_name>i have a question about file permissions. if a linux vilesystem
15:02<rnd_name>if a fs is mounted on another system . will the permissions stay in effect?
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15:03<rnd_name>fxiny enouf
15:03<fxiny>other being the crappiest os of all ? nt* ?
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15:03<rnd_name>no. a live cd
15:04<rnd_name>nt coulnd'
15:04<fxiny>sorry , i'm late i really have to go
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15:04<rnd_name>*nt couldn't even mount my fs
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15:05<pawel>how to install English packages without automatic translation?
15:06<pawel>or switch console language?
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15:08<pawel>hello urbinek
15:08<pawel>are you Polish?
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15:10<pawel>is purging a package uninstalling it?
15:10<pawel>and does it remove zilions of depencies?
15:10<urbinek_at_home>om, polak :P
15:11<pawel>znasz sie na debianie?
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15:11<urbinek_at_home>pawel: to zależy, z czym sie gryziesz ?
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15:12<pawel>jak zainstalować anigelski pakiet bez tłumaczenia
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15:13<urbinek_at_home>a tłumaczeinia nies aprzypadkiem zewnetrzne ?
15:13<urbinek_at_home>no to nic na to nie poradzisz
15:13<urbinek_at_home>musis zzmienic jeżyk całego systemu
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15:13<pawel>jak to zrobić?
15:13<urbinek_at_home>chyba, zę paczki są tłumaczoe i kompilowane osobno a potem trzymane na odpowiednich serwerach
15:13<urbinek_at_home>w sumie ie wiem
15:14<urbinek_at_home>tekstowo ?
15:14<Astraller>A s cirillicey zdes' kak?
15:14<urbinek_at_home>nie mam pojęcia, czekaj
15:14<Astraller>Кириллицу на канале понимают?
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15:14<urbinek_at_home>how to remove language support ?
15:15<urbinek_at_home>or change systemlanguage
15:15<pawel>in text mode
15:16<urbinek_at_home>potem walnij reboota i powinno hulać po angielsku
15:17<urbinek_at_home>brb, shower
15:17<pawel>wielkie dzięki | thank you vwey much
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15:22<jon1620>Linux is cool
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15:22<pawel>of course
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15:29<pawel>I must go
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15:29<pawel>good bye
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15:30<Bicker>what should i install to work this command db_load ?
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15:31<Bicker>i want to create a .db file for my vsftpd
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15:38<xiq>hello, i have a question... winxp destroyed grub, how can i reinstall it ?
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15:39<dpkg>hmm... rescue is at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
15:39<urbinek_at_home>xiq google it, ther's plenty of how-tos
15:39<xiq>but i only get "how can i deinstall grub"
15:39<zumbi>!rescue mode
15:39<dpkg>Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see
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15:40<xiq>thank you all :D
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15:41<Bicker>deb4.2-utils is not enaught to create a .db file with db_load ?
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15:43<xiq>how can i find out wheter it is hd0,1 or 0,2 or so on?
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15:44<urbinek_at_home>as root: fdisk -l
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15:46<el_isma>I'm updating a etch to lenny. After the update aptitude tells me there are broken packages (apt-utils libc6 libc6-dev locales) and to solve this it will remove linux-kernel-headers install and update some packages... Is this safe? Correct?
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15:48<lancelot_of>hallo everybody
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15:54<urbinek_at_home> :P
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15:54<el_isma>I'm updating a etch to lenny. After the update aptitude tells me there are broken packages (apt-utils libc6 libc6-dev locales) and to solve this it will remove linux-kernel-headers install and update some packages... Is this safe? Correct?
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15:58<themill>el_isma: are yo following the release notes?
15:58<el_isma>themill: yes
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15:59<Cadmium01>Whats a best way to search for a string in files?
15:59<themill>el_isma: can you pastebin the command and output?
15:59<themill>Cadmium01: grep
16:00<Gathond>Cadmium01: strings and grep perhaps
16:00<el_isma>themill: already ran the update :S now I'm at aptitude safe-upgrade. It gave a load of packages to install and/or update, which doesn't seem to remove anything weird, so I guess I'll go ahead
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16:01<themill>el_isma: sounds fine then. aptitude update shouldn't be complaining about broken package though. That is a little odd.
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16:02<action09>hi all
16:02<tghy>Hello there!
16:02<el_isma>themill: it was when I tried aptitude install aptitude
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16:02<el_isma>themill: for it to succed, it wanted to remove linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18
16:02<dr|z3d>el_isma: Have you tried dpkg --configure -a ?
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16:02<el_isma>themill: and no other action would satisfy it
16:02<themill>el_isma: ahh... It will complain about things but should solve things. Those kernel headers are no loss though as you're about to upgrade your kernel anyway.
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16:03<tghy>Can anyone hint me a IRC channel for programmers, or can i ask one question here???
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16:03<el_isma>themill: ok, thanks. Running safe-upgrade now
16:03<dr|z3d>tghy: Programmers are an eclectic bunch.. can you be more specific?
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16:03<adb>hmm , never saw linux-kernel-headers
16:04<tghy>dr|z3d: C++ ETC
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16:04<el_isma>adb: it's needed if you want to build modules
16:04<steffan>tghy: C++ related to debian?
16:04<steffan>or general C++
16:04<themill>adb: good point.... that's a sarge->etch transitional package
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16:04<themill>judd info linux-kernel-headers --release etch
16:04<judd>themill: linux-kernel-headers (devel): is optional; Version: 2.6.18-7; Size: 1831.4k; Installed: 10968k -- Linux Kernel Headers for development
16:05<dr|z3d>tghy: Either on this network or freenode you might find channels that suit. This one probably isn't what you need.
16:05<mamie>hello !
16:05<el_isma>wow... updating on a "real server", downloads at 2000KB/s :D
16:05<tghy>Not especially C++ and Debian. I need only ask about library and some manual for work in network
16:05<el_isma>tghy: try #c++ ?
16:05<steffan>tghy: then why are you in #debian and not #c++?
16:05<tghy>Perhabs here are some developers of Debian
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16:06<steffan>seeing as it's #Debian, I wouldn't be suprised.
16:06<tghy>Debian channel is too commonly
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16:07<tghy>For my question this common is enough
16:07<dr|z3d>tghy: Ask your question, we'll soon tell you if you're in the right place.
16:07<steffan>tghy: it's already been answered.
16:07<tghy>Also i found bug in Debian and solve for him.
16:08<tghy>steffan: thx
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16:08<steffan>!tell tghy about bug
16:08<steffan>read the message from dpkg about submitting bugs, tghy
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16:09<tghy>What here is NOT offtopic?
16:09<tghy>Too specific channel
16:09<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic
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16:09<dr|z3d>Anything broadly Debian related, tghy.
16:10<tghy>Then all okay with me
16:10<dr|z3d>Rather than beating about the bush, ask your question, concisely.
16:10*el_isma agrees
16:11<enouf>wow - 50 lines of useless crap
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16:11<tghy>Its usefull crap
16:11<dpkg>"This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day.
16:11<dkr>51,52,53,54,55. :)
16:11<enouf>and midori just crashed .. again
16:12<enouf>killing all my webmail
16:12<dr|z3d>Bit unstable, Midori.
16:12<dr|z3d>Blame webkit.
16:12<enouf>and , it can't even copy into buffer and paste
16:12<enouf>!beat webkit
16:12*dpkg beats webkit with a large stick.
16:12<dr|z3d>Midori shows promise, but it's not yet ready for mass deployment.
16:13*el_isma is a bit scared, never upgraded a server before
16:13<enouf>and i can't seem to unsubscribe from debian-powerpc mailing list .. :-/
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16:14<tghy>Ure peoples are too hard
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16:14<enouf>and last night, i went to watch some pirates of carrib crap, and no player would recognize it, isoinfo said it was iso9660, and dvd+rw-mediainfo output seemed ok, bit none of xine, mplayer, vlc could open/read it .. :-(
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16:15*el_isma wonders why a headless server has X11
16:15<dr|z3d>enouf: Missing codecs, sounds like.
16:16<enouf>dr|z3d: not at all - thanks for trying though
16:16<enouf>dr|z3d: the 2nd and 3rd DVDs worked
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16:16<dr|z3d>enouf: Ah, DVD damage then?
16:17*dr|z3d assumed some obscure codec and a torrent download.
16:17<amphi>enouf: that'll teach to watch such piffle ;)
16:17<enouf>dr|z3d: perhaps - but no, commercially, store bought pressed dvd
16:17<el_isma>I don't trust optical media.
16:18<enouf>(perhaps == damaged)
16:18<enouf>i never will
16:18<el_isma>Too easy to damage, too unreliable
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16:18<tghy>All offtopic. We could made channel for each letter!!!
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16:21<daveengland>hello there! could anybody tell me, where could i get gadgets? for the desktop?*
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16:22<dr|z3d>daveengland: Try installing capplets
16:22<Cadmium01>are pyc files recompiled every time I launch py program?
16:22<Cadmium01>or do I need to delete them for changes to take effect?
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16:22<el_isma>Cadmium01: i believe they get recompiled if the py source has changed
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16:23<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: How did you get on with ghamachi/hamachi? All sorted?
16:24<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, not yet, pinging does not work always (and other protocols as well)
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16:24<Cadmium01>connections arent working properly for some reason
16:24<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: Sounds like firewall issues.
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16:25<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, I read that it's more routing isses
16:25<Cadmium01>sometimes it works other times it doesnt
16:25<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: Routing should be fine enough, but hmm..
16:25<dr|z3d>Powercycling hamachi sometimes helps if you can forge a tunnel.
16:26<frank>aptitude says 2 packages not upgraded, how to display which packages are not upgraded?
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16:26<Cadmium01>Powercycling ? what's that dr|z3d
16:26<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: If you're running ghamachi, power off, power on. Aka power cycling :)
16:26<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, I'll try that when I get home
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16:27<el_isma>great, aptitude safe-upgrade is spamming: manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct. What do I do?
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16:28<el_isma>should I halt the upgrade?
16:28<dr|z3d>el_isma: Nah, leave it to carry on.
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16:29<dr|z3d>el_isma: Short of a power cut mid upgrade, you should be able to recover from minor errors.
16:29<el_isma>dr|z3d: will it end? or is it looping??
16:29<dr|z3d>Leave it for a few, it may well resolve itself (or give up).
16:30<el_isma>oh, it gave up now
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16:31<Turtle`>hi, anyone around
16:31<el_isma>hi, Turtle`
16:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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16:32<dr|z3d>Other than the 400 folk in here, Turtle`, no, channel's empty. :P
16:32<Turtle`>hey el_isma im after a bit of help =]
16:32<el_isma>Turtle`: ask
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16:33<Turtle`>im just installin lenny, and I was in here a while ago asking about changing the resolution/refresh rates when the GUI loads as monitor just says signal out of range (res/refresh too high) and displays blank screen
16:34<el_isma>WTH is "Configuration file `/etc/ssh/moduli'" ? Should I keep it or install new version??
16:34<dr|z3d>Install new version.
16:34<dr|z3d>The old one will be backed up.
16:35<el_isma>I just have no idea what that file does
16:35<enouf>Turtle`: set your vert/hor refresh rates in xorg.conf in monitor section
16:35<dr|z3d>el_isma: When in doubt, install new version. That's my policy.
16:36<Turtle`>yeah i opened xorg.conf for editing, but there are no default values set in the file, i followed a guide editing it and getting the settings right for the monitor but it still complains when it tried to load the GUI
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16:36<el_isma>why on earth would aptitude decide to install texlive on my server? O.o
16:36<dr|z3d>Because it's a dependency.
16:36<el_isma>to what?
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16:37<el_isma>I remember having to install texlive by hand on my lenny desktop
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16:37<dr|z3d>aptitutude why <packagename>
16:38<Cadmium01>Anyone use gmail notify?
16:38<adama>Turtle`: try this: go to a tty (Alt-Ctrl-F2) log in as regular user, and put: DISPLAY=:0.0 xrandr -s 800x600 then Alt-Ctrl-F7
16:39<adama>where 800x600 is the resolution you want
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16:40<adama>then configure it properly with the display control panel thing
16:40<Turtle`>ok, another quick question, im not new to computers, programming etc etc but haven't used linux before, is debian a wise choice? i tried red hat a few years back didn't like it very much
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16:41<el_isma>Turtle`: wrong channel to ask the question, I guess :) Debian is wonderful :)
16:41<adama>Debian is the best OS ever, no one here will disagree *shakes fist and glares around*
16:41<dr|z3d>Turtle`: Probably not. You might be better with Ubuntu.
16:41<el_isma>if you're a true newbie, maybe ubuntu will be better
16:42<dr|z3d>Ubuntu is Debian made easy, essentially.
16:42<Turtle`>is ubuntu more of a very user friendly sparkley ill do everything for you os
16:42<dr|z3d>I know others will disagree.
16:42*dr|z3d prepares for the brickbats.
16:42<dr|z3d>Turtle`: Exactly.
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16:42<adama>!sudosmite dr|z3d
16:42*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to dr|z3d and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
16:43*dr|z3d laughs.
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16:43<Turtle`>yeh, thats not what im after! like i say im not new to computers, just new to linux, and would prefer something thats more of a challenge that would actually give me an understanding of how it all works as opposed to sugar coat everything and make it easy :P
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16:45<dr|z3d>Turtle`: Don't think Ubuntu will hide everything. It doesn't. It simply makes it a lot easier to get the essentials working. You're still free to tinker, and be challenged.
16:45<adama>Turtle`: stick with Debian, it's widely supported and you can always ask here - #ubuntu is full of extreme noobs
16:46<dr|z3d>Today's noobs are tomorrows gurus, adama.. :)
16:46<el_isma>Turtle`: Go for Fedora XD
16:46<Turtle`>dr|z3d: noted, but seeming as I've already got debian on the go at the moment, ill stick with it as long as I can :P
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16:47<gravity>dr|z3d: You know, I said that in the past too, but their channel seems perpetually incapable of making the leap. At least, that's my sense, since so many Ubuntu users come here for help.
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16:47<gravity>dr|z3d: The Ubuntu culture doesn't really encourage tinkering in the same way
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16:48<dr|z3d>gravity: If you mean #ubuntu on freenode, sure, it's a bit overwhelming for the newb, what with 1000+ occupants.
16:48<gravity>Although, to be fair, plenty of their users do tinker quite a bit
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16:48<gravity>dr|z3d: That's not why they come here though. It's because they can't get help there.
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16:49<dr|z3d>gravity: Quite possibly.. that's what I mean.. for the newb, text goes by too fast on #ubuntu :) It's often a little *too* active a channel.
16:50<Turtle`>hmm, adama can you explain your suggestion a bit more, mind if I pm you?
16:50<gravity>dr|z3d: I don't think that's the reason
16:50<gravity>dr|z3d: The usual response when we ask them why they don't ask in #ubuntu is "no one is answering me"
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16:51<gravity>At least in my experience
16:51<Astraller>Podskazhite chem mozhno konvertirovat' VOB v FLV??
16:51<el_isma>gravity: I agree. I used to use Ubuntu, and many times no one on #ubuntu had any clue. #debian clue-index is way higher
16:52<kop>!tell Astraller -about ru
16:52<adama>Astraller: English please. you probably want mencoder or ffmpeg though
16:52<johnco>I have no idea about this stuff,yet
16:53<johnco>I am happy to learn though
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16:53<Turtle`>adama: can i pm you about this?
16:54<kop>Turtle` : Debian has IMO superior package management, lots of packages so you don't have to be your own system's integrator (newbies should install from the debian repositories only), and has superior upgradeability so you don't ever need to re-install.
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16:54<kop>Turtle` : We prefer to keep chat on-channel, but of course you two are free to do as you like.
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16:54<gravity>I don't know that those are the best arguments in favor of Debian over Ubuntu...
16:55<kop>Turtle` : If you want to understand Linux the boot process is a great place to start. Read the rc scripts.
16:55*dr|z3d isn't convinced, either.
16:55<kop>gravity : Probably not over ubuntu.
16:55<johnco>This is a fun one, I like it lots better than some others.
16:55<adama>Turtle`> yeah
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16:55<kop>gravity : Just in general.
16:55<gravity>But over Fedora, sure
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16:56<dr|z3d>Fundamentally, Ubuntu is really just Debian with a few stabilizers thrown in.
16:56<el_isma>kop: My experience is that Ubuntu tends to break stuff just before a release. Packages that are used often by users like Katapult was broken for a looong while in kubuntu. I guess by now they have the show a bit more together...
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16:56<dr|z3d>And, sure, a more liberal policy wrt "free".
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16:56<cdlu>debian + money = ubuntu :)
16:56<gravity>Or destabilizers, if you're one of the lucky ones who got fucked by pulseaudio :-\
16:56<el_isma>dr|z3d: taken away, I'd say
16:56<kop>dr|z3d : I've always been under the impression that Ubuntu has some un-stabilzers thrown in, at least in comparison to debian stable.
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16:57<Pitxyoki>*cof* stabilizers *cof* lol *cof*
16:57*gravity hides his burns
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16:57<dr|z3d>Pulseaudio. *laugh*
16:57<johnco>How do I ls stuff? I cannot seem to remember that.
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16:57<gravity>johnco: ls?
16:57<kop>!tell johnco -about grounding
16:57<dr|z3d>johnco: try: man ls
16:57<gravity>johnco: But what's wrong with just ls itself?
16:57<johnco>Thank you
16:58<dr|z3d>johnco: Hit Q when you've finished with man to exit.
16:58<marius_>I am trying to install Ekiga 3.011 (which is in experimental) however it needs libopal 3.4.2 and I do not know where to find it
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16:58<johnco>I must have been doing the wrong syntax or spacing
16:58<kop>johnco , dr|z3d : (And then read "man less", to learn how to navigate the man page interface.)
16:59<Pitxyoki>Maybe what you want is ls -l ?
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16:59<johnco>Thank you, I started on UNIX/Basic, 20+ years ago, I was FAST back then.
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17:00<kop>johnco : The basics are still the same. (Even basic is probably still the same.) You will need to learn how to use the package manager.
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17:01<johnco>I like the package manager thing, it gives a nice description of the item selected.
17:01<kop>johnco : It's what keeps your system from turning to muck.
17:02<johnco>Yes, it is called Synaptic
17:02<kop>johnco : It enables you to rely on debian for your system's integration. Install stuff yourself and you're on your own when the system upgrades or whatever.
17:03<johnco>I have yet to make a full backup, I just backed up the root and other system critical things.
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17:04<johnco>kop: Yes, I like to use the selections thing, get repos from Debian, or that are approved by Debian, keeps things stable, I think.
17:04<kop>johnco : Some like dirvish. I prefer to roll my own rsync script.
17:05<pjwaffle>hey where can you download only apt-get I am making a custom linux distro for my teacher but I can't find the apt-get download link anywhere
17:05<kop>johnco : (That's for real backups where you keep multiples over time.)
17:05<pjwaffle>I prefer a source tarball
17:05<pjwaffle>or SVN
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17:05<johnco>I saw Ruby in there, but have yet to install that.
17:06<kop>pjwaffle : Nice thing about rsync based stuff is keeping incrementals with hardlinks. Lots o "full backups" that take up only the space needed to store the incremental diffs.
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17:06<gravity>johnco: It's a treasure trove of software. It goes on forever :-)
17:06<johnco>Yes, I noticed that.
17:07<pjwaffle>I love rsync... does anyone know of an rsync mirror that mirrors lots of stuff (a generic mirror for OSS software?)
17:07<Pitxyoki>The source is at the bottom of the page.
17:07<johnco>Is rsync a network based item or is it also for Home User?
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17:07<pjwaffle>johnco: its pretty much for both
17:07<kop>I've found the thing to do is ask what's best for what purpose here. That's how to find out what does what.
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17:08<johnco>Ok, writing notes in longhand, rsync is next.
17:08<kop>(And when it comes to hardware there's (now the linux foundtation?),, and
17:09<kop>johnco: See 'script' or irssi for irc logs.
17:09<johnco>I lent my printer to a gal down the street, a year ago
17:09<pjwaffle>I know how to use rsync but is there an rsync mirror?
17:09<pjwaffle>a generic one
17:10<gravity>pjwaffle: What does that mean?
17:10<pjwaffle>eg. hosts GNU software or debian cds
17:10<gravity>I'd be surprised if GNU didn't run such a mirror for their stuff
17:10<johnco>I downloaded irssi, still reading the change logs and how to.
17:10<gravity>And for Debian CD's you use jigdo, iirc
17:10<kop>pjwaffle : Gnu has (spelling?). See for debian mirrors.
17:10<pjwaffle>by the way I love debian nice work guys!
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17:11<kop>johnco : I wish I knew how to use irssi. I like the logging, but hate that it has different "windows" for /msg traffic and such. And it's featureful enough that I can't figure out how to frob tne knobs.
17:11<pjwaffle>I was wondering how an semi-expert user (I have compiled the linux kernel but I am no real programmer) could contribute to the debian project
17:11<pjwaffle>a not an*
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17:12<kop>pjwaffle : docs. Bug reports. See the debian developer pages.
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17:13<kop>pjwaffle : Contribute to the debian wiki.;
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17:14<johnco>Log everything on your box, when it crashes, as boxes do, send the log or report in, I have not yet done that, but it seems like a good way to start.
17:14<gravity>pjwaffle: Translations also
17:14<gravity>pjwaffle: Also, learn to code and fix some bugs :-)
17:15<pjwaffle>I found a bug in the git version of git://
17:15<kop>pjwaffle : Or join a Linux users' group and help out.
17:15<pjwaffle>it won't compile usermode
17:15<gravity>Are LUGs still relevant?
17:15<gravity>I haven't been to one in years
17:15<pjwaffle>meh I have one around here
17:15<pjwaffle>I go sometimes
17:15<johnco>I cannot get past the /etc/whatever/ yet, but I am relearning.
17:15*kop keeps thinking that it'd be fun to hand out Linux and Openoffice/Firefox CDs in front of a Microsoft store when it opens.
17:16<dr|z3d>pjwaffle: You can also help by recommending/installing Linux on your friends/colleagues Windows based machines. Every little helps!
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17:16<pjwaffle>I acctually tell everyone I meat about it
17:16<kop>gravity: is pretty cool. There may be one in your neighborhood. There's no subsitute for a real person when it comes to getting help.
17:16<johnco>What is the deal with Silverlite, and is Debian 'buying' into it?
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17:17<dr|z3d>kop: I'm thinking of organising a flash mob on some large computer stores to, um, install Linux on the pcs :)
17:17<gravity>kop: Well, to be fair I hang out with a tight knit Debian/Free Software crowd, so I don't really need a LUG
17:17<pjwaffle>I reccemend debian uses moonlight instead from mono
17:17<gravity>So I guess I'm biased
17:17<dkr>yeah, LUGs are more newbie oriented. I never attend ours, but answer questions on the mailing list
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17:18<gravity>johnco: There's an implementation called Moonlight built on the mono platform. It's available in the debian multimedia repository, but I'm not sure if it's been outright rejected from Debian yet
17:18<pjwaffle>my LUG is pretty good they have newbie and expert talks
17:18<pjwaffle>last one was about kerberos
17:18<kop>freegeeks hand out free computers to those willing to assemble one from old parts and do a Linux install.
17:18<gravity>johnco: But as for buying in to it, I doubt anyone in Debian will be writing stuff for the distro itself on top of Silverlight
17:19<pjwaffle>gravity: I agree that would be stupid
17:19<johnco>I do not know how old this is: but there it is.
17:19<dr|z3d>johnco: I think the date in the url gives an approximate article age :)
17:20<pjwaffle>hehe yeah its easy to see
17:20<johnco>Ahh yes,,,/bashes his head on the keyboard
17:20<pjwaffle>*tells johnco to stop being suicidal and remember the good things in life (like cookies)
17:21<gravity>Oh man, thanks. Now I want a cookie.
17:21<johnco>I like cookies
17:21<pjwaffle>I love snickerdoodle
17:21<pjwaffle>I have one at lunch almost everyday (well acctually 3 :D)
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17:21<johnco>cookie break!
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17:29<johnco>Thank you
17:30<johnco>Let me install and grab those things while they are in front of me.
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17:38<pasquale>i was trying to install nvidia drivers, when: /home/dexian/Desktop/nvidia-settings-180.29.tar.gz: /home/dexian/Desktop/nvidia-settings-180.29.tar.gz: cannot execute binary file
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17:38<pasquale>was wondering how come.. im still a noobie
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17:38<josea>hola a todosss
17:39<ubuntu_>can the passwd file be edited by hand?
17:39<josea>alguien configuro ZIMBRA????????????????
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17:42<dpkg>to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ...
17:42<adb>pasquale: ^^^
17:43<pjwaffle>hey is there a paq implementation in the debian repo?
17:43<pjwaffle>I guess I should probably compile it myself
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17:45<adb>apt-cache search paq
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17:47<pjwaffle>well I am gonna log bye
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17:47<adb> apt-cache show paq8l
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17:58<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
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17:59<Ethaniel>Just checking: A network card based on the RTL8139D chipset by Realtek is compatible with Debian, right?
18:00<dondelelcaro>Ethaniel: yes
18:00<dondelelcaro>at least, IIRC, anyway.
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18:01<Ethaniel>Then my card is not working. I can't believe this, I'm surrounded by faulty hardware...
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18:01<Ethaniel>Have you seen those cheap, generic network cards? They look like a matchbox. :(
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18:05<Ethaniel>And I have a ton of ISA cards, but the computer where I want to install Debian doesn't have an ISA slot.
18:05<Ethaniel>I guess I'll have to buy a good old 3com network card to do the job.
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18:17<Doper>need advice - what is optimal size for separate /usr and /var partitions?
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18:17<Doper>debian sid, kde 3.5, plenty of soft will be installed
18:18<Doper>most of it from repos
18:18<adb>2.5 + 2 GB
18:18<adb>my guess
18:19<Doper>isn`t it too small?
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18:20<adb>i use ~ 4 GB for all / on destop w/o /home dir
18:20<Doper> alone is about 600mb
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18:21<adb> 600 mb ? maybe 60 or so
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18:31<eljefe>I'm trying to install Debian Testing NetInstall on vbox; I failed earlier today because the installer couldn't find the hard drive that I had created. Someone in freenode #vbox suggested that I upgrade from the 1.x version that I have at work; here at home I have 2.1.4_OSE but the Debian installer still cannot see the hard drive. Any help anyone? This is on a Sid host.
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18:38<adb>you need to add to vbox a virtual hard drive
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18:40<FloridaGuy>just installed debian 5 with LXDE desktop....have no package manager gui in how do i install gnome from cli
18:41<adb>apt-get install gnome-core
18:41<adb>or use aptitude
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18:43<Pitxyoki>Flimzy, did you install Synaptic?
18:43<FloridaGuy>adb, 1st is working good
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18:44<FloridaGuy>Pitxyoki, no....just did a base install with lxde
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18:45<Pitxyoki>Try to install synaptic and see if it appears at the menu.
18:46<Pitxyoki>That's the graphical installer you want.
18:46<FloridaGuy>gnome-core installing now
18:46<FloridaGuy>im use to distro's that always install the package managers gui
18:47<FloridaGuy>i havent used debian sence i tryed 2.2 or 3.0...been that long
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18:52<FloridaGuy>so sence i havent used debian sence 3.0...between 3.0 and 5.0 how much better has it got
18:52<Pitxyoki>adama, are you sure gnome-core will install synaptic?
18:53<adb>who need synaptic ?
18:53<avu>FloridaGuy, ofer 9000 general goodness units
18:53<FloridaGuy>gnome-code installed it for me
18:53<FloridaGuy>opps gnome-core
18:54<FloridaGuy>avu, lot of packages
18:54<Pitxyoki>Perhaps what you want is gnome-desktop-environment. That'll give you a kind of newbie-friendly environment with a lot of the stuff you may need (or not).
18:54<FloridaGuy>Pitxyoki, i use gnome in other distro's so im not newbie to gnome
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18:55<FloridaGuy>ok now im going to logout of lxde and into gnome
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19:00<Ethaniel>eljefe: You say Debian can't detect the virtual drive you've made in VBox?
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19:00<FloridaGuy>so far seems
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19:03<FloridaGuy>cant find nvidia in synaptic...just nvidia-xconfig
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19:06<Pitxyoki>FloridaGuy, the nvidia modules must be built using the sources.
19:06<adb>!tell FloridaGuy about m-a
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19:08<Pitxyoki>You can open a terminal and type m-a a-i nvidia-kernel (or nvidia-kernel-legacy if you have a legacy nvidia adapter).
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19:08<Pitxyoki>(m-a a-i is an alias for module-assistant auto-install)
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19:40<adb>eljefe: you need to add to vbox a virtual hard drive before use debian-netinstall.iso
19:41<adb>- just installed lenny for tests in vbox -
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19:42<Ethaniel>With the latest version of Vbox you can use either IDE mode or SATA mode for the virtual drive. I'm running Debian under Vbox right now.
19:43<Ethaniel>Using ChatZilla in IceWeasel.
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19:43<adb>better than xchat ?
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19:45<Ethaniel>Well, I haven't used xchat before. Is it good?
19:45<Ethaniel>(or "it is good? Can't remember...)
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19:50<adb_vbox> an X on /dev/hda1 989M 581M 358M 62% /
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19:50<eljefe>Ethaniel and adb I've done that, still the debian testing net install isn't recognizing it
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19:51<adb_vbox>eljefe, you choose IDE hard ?
19:51<Steven_M>hi all
19:52<adb_vbox> choose'd *
19:55<Steven_M>does debian have a program that selects mirrors and automaticly safe changes to /etc/apt/sources.list?
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19:56<abrotman>apt-spy kind of does that
19:56<eljefe>adb_vbox yeah i have; its a default 8gb
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19:56<abrotman>and netselect-apt
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19:56<eljefe>i've tried both ways to use the drive, v3 and v4 of whateveritis
19:57<Steven_M>abrotman: ok thanks :)
19:57<Ethaniel>Weird, at least IDE mode should work.
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19:58<Ethaniel>Are you using any additional parameters during the install? Expert install, maybe?
19:59<adb>not needed , it's to vbox to export the hard drive
19:59<Ethaniel>I'm using SATA port 0 with no issues...
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20:07<Guest817>Hello. Anyone using an HP 5300C and know how to turn it on? I can feel four pushbuttons in front and some kind of toggle/switch on the side, but sane-find-scanner and lsusb show nothing. Power supply is warm. If there's a power LED, I can see well enough to find it or if it's lit.
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20:08<Guest817>Or can anyone recommend a USB flatbed scanner for linux that's still being sold new?
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20:09<Tekno>hp's work fine afaik
20:09<Guest817>I can't even tell if the thing is turned on. No power switch that I can feel.
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20:11*Guest817 thinks sold him broken equipment again.
20:12<wellnow>send it back
20:12<wellnow>then hack them till they cry
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20:14<wellnow>anyone ever run a test on their RAM?
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20:14<Guest817>Back in the 80's. Yep.
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20:15<Maulkin>wellnow: sure
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20:15<Maulkin>fail for me
20:16<Maulkin>Guest817: you may want to set a proper nick.
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20:20<Guest817>Sorry. Afraid I'l be told my nick would be off topic in #debian, so I'll just keep what the server gives me.
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20:26<dr|z3d>Guest817: Great opening line. Are you a troll, perchance? :)
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20:50<sam_>wher from
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20:57<abrotman>do you want to quit or get help ?
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21:01<lili>I forget the slash /
21:02<lili>abrotman:what is the time of your area,are guys all sleep or what?
21:03<abrotman>not much going on here ..
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21:15<Ethaniel>00:15 down here...
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21:36<mib_usqnze>I have a problem with the flash player plugin
21:36<mib_usqnze>I had 9.0 working fine
21:37<mib_usqnze>then I downloaded the tar gz of 10
21:37<mib_usqnze>and installed it
21:37<mib_usqnze>and now I see in about:plugins "9.0"
21:37<mib_usqnze>and I can't see anything using flash
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21:40<trans>hi all
21:40<trans>i need some help plz
21:40<trans>iwanna learn c languge idont know any thing about it
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21:40<trans>iwanna learn it under linux
21:40<trans>can any one guide me
21:41<mib_usqnze>I can
21:41<mib_usqnze>download the book learn c in 24 hours
21:41<mib_usqnze>and then start coding
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21:42<trans>mib_usqnze thank u very much
21:42<trans>by the way mib_usqnze iam new user for linux
21:43<mib_usqnze>if you are starting from zero
21:43<mib_usqnze>it's the same linux or windows
21:44<trans>i mean about compiling and this things which compialr i need to use and how to compile
21:44<mib_usqnze>it takes time to master programming
21:44<mib_usqnze>it's the same
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21:44<mib_usqnze>read that book and there it tells you
21:45<mib_usqnze>compiling is just a very simple step
21:45<trans>cool iwill download it
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21:46<chealer>!tell mib_usqnze about enter
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22:00<Sadneophyte>hi I just installed debian 5 I was looking for a package that allowed for command completion in bash from history with the page up and page down buttons. I got used to this behavior in other linux distros, and would love to have it in debian...
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22:02<dondelelcaro>Sadneophyte: uh... you mean with C-r and C-s?
22:02<penpen>Sadneophyte: it should work with the up and down arrow keys?
22:03<rnd_name>my system has been crashing. fresh install so i'm confident it's hardware based. i tested my ram and i just ran disk tests on each hdd. not sure what else it could be.
22:03<Sadneophyte>sorta but pgup pgdn ... Ie I type cd /etc/pgup and it looks for the last command in my bash history which started that way... and finishes the command
22:04<rnd_name>the screen will freeze, then sometimes it will flash black then come back like normal, and other times it just stays frozen
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22:04<trans>mib_usqnze wt program i need to open pdf book
22:04<trans>wt program i need to open pdf book?
22:04<Sadneophyte>penpen it is a behavior I got used to on my silly fat slow ugly suse box...
22:04<rnd_name>it's happening right now so if anyone has any ideas before i have to reboot...
22:04<adam_>adobe reader
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22:05<penpen>trans: xpdf is good
22:05<adam_>nvr gtg
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22:05<trans>penpen thank you
22:06<rnd_name><dondelelcaro>: you have any ideas on this one. btw this problem is constant across platforms (dual-boot)
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22:06<dondelelcaro>Sadneophyte: just map history-search-forward and history-search-backward to some key. man bash; for details.
22:07<penpen>rnd_name: it sounds like a hardware problem then
22:07<dondelelcaro>rnd_name: is there anything you can do to trigger it?
22:07<rnd_name>open more apps...
22:07<rnd_name>seems stress-based
22:07<dondelelcaro>rnd_name: probably heat related then
22:07<rnd_name>sometimes not though
22:08<dondelelcaro>another alternative is power supply issues
22:08<dondelelcaro>I'd start by unplugging everything from the power supply that you don't need, and reducing the number of memory sticks you have
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22:08<rnd_name>i've been getting some heat messages about the cpu running above threshold lately that weren't there before... when i run win32 apps with wine (intensive resource hoggers)
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22:09<FloridaGuy>trying to do nvidia......mike:/home/mike# m-a a-i kernel-nvidia
22:09<FloridaGuy>kernel-nvidia, what is kernel-nvidia?
22:09<FloridaGuy>thats what i get
22:09<dondelelcaro>it's nvidia-kernel
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22:09<rnd_name>dould a power supply just start crapping out all of a sudden
22:09<Astero1D>hi guys, how can I check what mail server I am suing?
22:09<dondelelcaro>rnd_name: yes
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22:10<Astero1D>and how do I properly set hostname it's using?
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22:11<FloridaGuy>have no nvidia-kernel-source
22:11<gsimmons>Astero1D: dpkg -S /usr/lib/sendmail
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22:12<Sadneophyte>dondelelcaro penpen thanks!
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22:13<Silicium01>gsimmons, I got postfix: /usr/lib/sendmail
22:14<Sadneophyte>dondelelcaro penpen also it was already commented out in the /etc/inputrc :) thanks again
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22:14<Sadneophyte><- bash dummy!
22:14<Silicium01>so what am I using? "postfix ?
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22:14<FloridaGuy>how do i change or add to the repo...all i have is main
22:15<dondelelcaro>FloridaGuy: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
22:15<penpen>Sadneophyte: no problem
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22:15<FloridaGuy>dondelelcaro, ok...but where do i get different repo links to add
22:16<dondelelcaro>FloridaGuy: you pretty much don't need any others.
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22:17<FloridaGuy>dondelelcaro, im trying to do m-a -a-i nvidia-kernel and its says i have no nvidia-kernel-source
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22:18<dondelelcaro>!tell FloridaGuy -about non-free
22:18<kop>Silicium01 : That looks suspiciously postfix-y. (I much prefer postfix myself.)
22:18<rnd_name_>dondelelcaro: my scrollback shows activity after my display stopped responding. makes me think it's the GPU. is there a way to test my video card to see if it's having problems?
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22:18<Silicium01>kop, what do you mean its's suspicious?
22:19<dondelelcaro>rnd_name_: possibly, but my personal opinion is that it's easier to just rip the card out, and put a different one in to test
22:19<kop>Silicium01 : I mean that I've not followed your convseration, and never seen your output, but yes, that looks like maybe it is postfix's sendmail implimentation.
22:19<rnd_name_>yeah. i actually have onboard as well. but no 3d frills... :(
22:19<rnd_name_>okie. brb
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22:20<Silicium01>kop, my goal is: 1 determine what mail server I am using, configure it to "use" proper hostname
22:20<FloridaGuy>! non-free sources
22:20<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
22:20<rnd_name_>dondelelcaro: is there anything i need to do to my xorg.conf before trying this?
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22:21<Silicium01>kop, can you give a bit of advice?
22:21<kop>Silicium01 : wait
22:21<dondelelcaro>rnd_name_: nope
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22:21<dondelelcaro>rnd_name_: unless you heavily modified it to work with your current card, anyway.
22:22<gsimmons>Silicium01: man 5 postconf
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22:23<kop>Silicium01 : The answer to what MTA are you using is probably in update-alternatives, but if you've only 1 installed that answers the question. Try "aptitude show postfix" and see if it says it's installed.
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22:23<Silicium01>kop, says it's installed
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22:24<kop>Silicium01 : The answer to making your system use the right hostname is to change /etc/mailname. See /etc/postfix/ and the myorigin directive.
22:24<Silicium01>kop, the thing is about a year ago I installed several (2 ?) and messed with configuration and now I need to find out which one is running and configure it right
22:24<kop>Silicium01 : By default debian uses /etc/mailname, but you may have messed with things.
22:25<kop>How do you get a list of the generic names that update-alternatives uses?
22:25<Silicium01>no idea...
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22:26<kop>Silicium01 : Somebody here knows. Meanwhile, I'm rtfm-ing.
22:26<dmoerner>kop, ls /etc/alternatives?
22:27<kop>dmoerner : I don't think so. I tried that. And I don't see, e.g., editor listed there. But maybe that's because I don't have multiple editors installed? (But I do.)
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22:28<dmoerner>kop, if you have tab completion bash knows
22:28<dmoerner>i have editor in /etc/alternatives
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22:28<kop>dmoerner : Humm. I do too. I must have made a mistake.
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22:29<kop>Silicium01 : So, look for something like mta or mail in /etc/alternatives. Is there anything like that? (Or maybe "sendmail".)
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22:29<Silicium01>there is a /etc/alternatives/ directory
22:30<kop>Silicium01 : You're looking for an entry in that directory that is the "generic" name for a mail transfer agent.
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22:31<kop>Silicium01 : See if "ls -l /etc/alternatives | grep postfix" gives you anything.
22:32<Silicium01>there is bunch of sendmails in it though
22:33<Silicium01>sendmail, sendmail-msp, sendmail-mta and some gz files
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22:33<kop>Silicium01 : Then : update-alternatives --display sendmail
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22:33<kop>Silicium01 : That will tell you what mta you are using.
22:34<kop>Silicium01 : or maybe : update-alternatives --display sendmail-mta
22:35<kop>Silicium01 : It will say "link currently points to ..."
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22:35<Silicium01>link currently points to /usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail
22:35<Silicium01>/usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail - priority 25
22:36<Silicium01>sendmail itself is an mta?
22:36<Silicium01>and so is postfix?
22:36<kop>Silicium01 : I suspect you are running sendmail.
22:36<kop>Silicium01 : Yes.
22:36<Silicium01>kop, ok
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22:36<kop>Silicium01 : dpkg -S /usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail will tell you the package name.
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22:37<kop>Silicium01 : I find sendmail uncool. YMMV.
22:37<Silicium01>kop, now I have this question that has been buging me for ages
22:38<Silicium01>say I have a domain name registered, lets say
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22:38<Silicium01>if that is the domain name that I point to the machine's IP, what should the hostname of that machine be?
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22:39<Silicium01>in other words /etc/mailname and /etc/hostname should have in them?
22:39<Silicium01>or in them?
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22:39<kop>Silicium01 : For mail it does not matter. (For other things it does.) The DNS MX record points to an A record that has the name of the machine that receives mail for the domain's MX record.
22:40<kop>Silicium01 : You can point an MX record to a machine in another domain, no problem.
22:40<Silicium01>ok, that makes sense, I can point different subdomains and MX records to different Ips right? is that what you are saying?
22:40<Silicium01>so how do I create "hosts"
22:41<kop>Silicium01 : I suggest reading rfc1034
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22:42<Silicium01>kop, I'm just afraid it will get cmplicated and I will get discouraged...
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22:43<kop>Silicium01 : That document is simple and clear. It may get complicated when it comes to configuring a dns server, but you can bet it will be a lot less complicated to configure the server if you understand the underlying concept.
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22:44<Silicium01>kop, I will start reading, just before I do, one question: if I regoster domain, say and then create A records for and and then point the A record to appropriate IPs, what do I have to do on the machines other than configuring /etc/hostname
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22:45<kop>Silicium01 : You can always go to dns in wikipedia, but frankly the original source document can sometimes be the best way to learn.
22:46<kop>Silicium01 : I can't think of anything. If you want them to receive mail you need to install an MTA, and on debian the mta probably won't receive mail from the net by default. They'll be a knob to frob to turn that on.
22:46<kop>Silicium01 : /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian will have debian specific instructions about turning things on.
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22:48<kop>Silicium01 : (In the general case you don't even have to configure /etc/hostname.) When you register you'll need to specify a DNS server for the domain, which had better be the dns server you're creating A records on.
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22:49<Silicium01>kop, already did that
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22:49<Silicium01>I just had problems with hotmail and yahoo rejecting emails send from my server and someone suggested it's because I did not have hostname or host configured
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22:57<kop>Silicium01 : Spam has made mail recipients picky. Some server won't accept mail from machines claiming to be something other than the name their IP address reverse-maps to. Others require the sending machine be able to receive mail, etc.
22:58<kop>Silicium01 : The best approach is to have each lan have at least one local mail server that's properly configured and on an IP with a proper DNS setup and then have all local hosts route outbound mail through the lan's mail relay only.
23:00<Silicium01>where is the sendmail config file again?
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23:01<kop>Silicium01: /etc/sendmail/ But you probably want to mess instead with /etc/sendmail/ and then generate But if I were you I'd stay away from sendmail and start with something that won't make you crazy in time.
23:02<Silicium01>so uninstall sendmail and install postfix then?
23:02<Silicium01>it seems I have both
23:02<Silicium01>at least dpkg finds both packages
23:02<kop>Silicium01 : You could just uninstall sendmail then.
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23:03<Silicium01>apt-get purge sendmail-bin ?
23:05<Silicium01>can I do dpkg -P sendmail*
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23:11<jojo>what would be the proper procedure to get a newer version of an app into unstable -> testing -> stable?
23:13<dmoerner>jojo, file a wishlist bug against the package requesting that a new version is packaged. if you really want a backport, then send the request with a justification to the backports mailing list
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23:15<maxb>Is there a simple command to delete the top entry from a debian/changelog file? I can't think of a oneliner
23:15<abrotman>tail ?
23:16<dondelelcaro>maxb: you pretty much don't delete them. add a new one with dch
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23:18<Silicium01>Hee's the problem, I think I have both sendmail and postfix installed on my debian. When I shutdoen sendmail via /etc.init.d/sendmail stop no imails are sent via small php script with mail() function, even though I have ran /etc/init.d/postfix start
23:19<Silicium01>how can I completely remove this sendmail and have postfix deliver mal and act as sendmail
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23:21<FloridaGuy>how do i choose my video card
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23:24<dmoerner>FloridaGuy, what do you mean? how do you get a driver? or what video cards are supported well by debian?
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23:27<FloridaGuy>dmoerner, i have nvidia....did m-a a-i nvidia-kernel....but still have nothing drivers installed but xorg.conf....has nothing for nvidia
23:27<dmoerner>FloridaGuy, yes, you will need to add it manually
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23:28<FloridaGuy>dmoerner, there isent anything in this distro that adds your hardware
23:29<dmoerner>FloridaGuy, upstream xorg does not automatically detect proprietary drivers
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23:30<FloridaGuy>dmoerner, how do i add it
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23:40<Silicium01>Does anyone have a minute? Just need to uninstall sendmail and install postfix + ensure it works
23:41<Silicium01>Does not sound like a tough task, but I've been struggling
23:42<ArthurLiu>Silicium01, "install postfix" is *not* a simple task :)
23:42<Silicium01>ArthurLiu, how come?
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23:42<Silicium01>apt-get install postfix, right?
23:42<ArthurLiu>mail servers are not simple to configure
23:43<Silicium01>do you have any experience in this?
23:43<Silicium01>I really could use some help
23:43<ArthurLiu>have you tried one of the dozen HOWTOs ?
23:43<Silicium01>send me the lnk to best howto please
23:43<Silicium01>cant find a decent guide
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23:56<ArthurLiu>Silicium01, start with and then
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