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00:00<acu>do you know any utility which forwards the IP address ?
00:00<jimmy>so i don't know sorry
00:01<jimmy>because even behind a proxy, its same
00:02<jimmy>you can forward your ip with --bind in ssh connection
00:02<jimmy>or in VPN
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00:03<philsf>how can I use separate files for virtualhosts in apache2? I have two domains pointing to the same IP, and apache uses only the first vhost that matches the ip
00:03<jimmy>philsf create an virtual IP
00:03<jimmy>and edit your host
00:04<philsf>jimmy: what do you mean? you mean a private ip, like 10.0.x.x?
00:04<jimmy>for example, your first VH on and the second on
00:05<philsf>but I need them to be acessible from the internet
00:05<jimmy>but the resolution is in local on apache
00:05<acu>philsf: here is the best and sure to work tutorial - hands down
00:06<philsf>hmmm, I think I get it
00:06<jimmy>it's easy
00:07<philsf>do I need to create virtual ethernet interfaces, like eth0:1, and so on? or does it suffice to create entries in /etc/hosts?
00:07<jimmy>NameVirtualHost .... ( Your VH) .. NameVirtualHost ( your second VH)
00:08<jimmy>ya virtual is for example eth0:1
00:08<acu>philsf: no need - just go to that tutorial and follow it - you are wasting your time - if you follow it - you get it done in max 20 minutes
00:08<jimmy>and in your /etc/host : firstdomaine.whatever secondedomain.whatever
00:09<acu>unless to have a social discussion :)
00:09<philsf>yes, the tutorial seems to go an easier route
00:10<jimmy>well i go to the bed
00:10<philsf>thanks jimmy, I'll check both ways
00:10<acu>philsf: I agonized plenty for the same topic - read all tutorials from apache - still did not get it fully - well ... the hyperlink kicks ass
00:10<jimmy>But i thinks all !
00:11<jimmy>i learns English
00:12<philsf>yes! it worked
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00:12<philsf>thanks acu
00:12<jimmy>bye philsf
00:12<jimmy>buy acu
00:12<philsf>actually it's exactly what I was trying, but I was using the vhosts name in the VirtualHost tag
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00:12<acu>see you jimmy
00:12<philsf>thanks jimmy
00:12<acu>sleep well
00:13<jimmy>think you
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00:13<philsf>using <Virtualhost *> on all worked. any idea why?
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00:47<todd>cpmpiz ==> Fatal: Compiz can't be ran using VESA or VGA divers.
00:47<todd>any advices?
00:47<Tekno>which graphics card you have?
00:47<todd>intel mobile gm945
00:48<todd> Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME integreted xpress card
00:49<Tekno>does glxgears work ?
00:49<Tekno>run it at terminal
00:49<todd>Tekno, yes it works
00:49<todd>glxgears ==> frames in 5.0 seconds = 511.858 FPS
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00:53<ajay>hi to all,i am having iball 8.0,was testing with lenny and xawtv application getting dmesg as spca5xx.c: VIDIOCMCAPTURE: invalid format
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00:54<rocko>which is safer to use cd or dvd ?
00:54<rocko>wouldn't dvd be better since it does not use compression as far as I know
00:55<Tekno>compression? :D
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00:55<EricB>rocko either one is fine
00:56<ajay>rocko, depends on you requirement can use burning in either of cd /dvd after encrypting data
00:56<rocko>I thought that the cd images have compressed data on them EricB
00:56<EricB>what's wrong with compression?
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00:57<rocko>I thought it is unsafe ?
00:57<Tekno>why ?
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00:57<rocko>so it is not unsafe like the live cd compression ?
00:57<EricB>unsafe how?
00:58<rocko>cause the site that makes it doesn't recommend long term use for it because they are unsure if it would stand the test of time
00:58<rocko>the site for the live cd script
00:59<Tekno>what are you talking about o_O
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01:01<rocko>nevermind I guess
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01:33<some1normal>hi all
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01:34<some1normal>can any1 help please
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01:38<rocko>DEBIAN kicks ass
01:39<rocko>how are you Tekno ?
01:39<Tekno>fine thx
01:43<rocko>are you a debian developer Tekno
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02:00<lass>bonjour !!!
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02:02<lass>je suis nouveau sur linux et j'avou que je ne comprends pas grand chose
02:02<lass>je suis dans une discussion sur un sujet en particulier je crois
02:02<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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02:03<lass>comment ouvrir un nouveau sujet s'il vous plait ?
02:03<Tekno>!fr @ lass
02:04<lass>euh désole tekno commenbt rejoindre ce canal please ?
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02:04<Tekno>I have no idea what you are saying
02:04<Tekno>go to #debian-fr
02:04<lass>sorry I just said that i was a newbie on linux
02:04<Tekno>this channel is english only
02:05<lass>trying to find my way in it but i got some trouble
02:05<lass>do you know how i can join the french user channel ?
02:05<Tekno>/join #debian-fr
02:06<lass>is there any particular place where i have to enter this command?
02:06<Tekno>same place where you are typing now
02:06<lass>I m gratful to you many thankx
02:09<lass>sorry to bother you again but do you know how i can open a new subject ?
02:10<lass>I need some information regarding the NAT configuration
02:10<Tekno>new subject ??
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02:12<lass>yes is this chat dedicated to a particular subjetc or can i post my question and any subject can be disscused soon as i have reach the chat window
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02:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
02:17<lass>ok thanks i trying to set my NAT informations
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02:39<GLaDOS>hello nerds
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02:41<GLaDOS>I'm happy to say that I have completely switched my servers from ubuntu to debian
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02:45<GLaDOS>so now that I have boxes with a decent server OS, what are some fun programs to install on said boxes to mess around with?
02:47<dmoerner>GLaDOS, depends on your needs and what you have set up now, and what you mean by "fun"
02:48<dmoerner>i just set up an edna music server on an nslu2
02:49<GLaDOS>edna looks interesting
02:50<GLaDOS>I have all my music backed up on one of my other machines but it would be nice to have a central database
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02:50<GLaDOS>and by fun I meant things like nethack that could be used by people over the network
02:51<GLaDOS>which brings me to a question. If telnet is so evil, how would I safely run a nethack server?
02:51<GLaDOS>is just dishing out login with no privelages enough?
02:52<rocko>ssh? GLaDOS
02:52<GLaDOS>nethack cant run in ssh
02:53<GLaDOS>I already use SSH for server communication from my desktop
02:53<rocko>maybe you could design a plugin for it
02:53<Tekno>GLaDOS: use another ssh connection then
02:53<GLaDOS>for nethack?
02:54<GLaDOS>wow thanks, I wasnt aware that it ran over SSH
02:54<Tekno>sure it can, why not? o_O
02:54<GLaDOS>guys in another debian IRC channel on undernet said it was telnet only
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02:55<GLaDOS>I would write a plugin if I could, but I'm barely past the stage of knowing how to navigate a system
02:55<stew>GLaDOS: i believe that is correct. I believe he is telling you you can tunnel it over ssh as you can any other tcp connection. i'm not sure why you'd care to have nethack encrypted though
02:55<GLaDOS>because of the security issues with telnet
02:56<GLaDOS>I dont think I would even want a telnet server installed on a server box
02:56<stew>GLaDOS: what security issues? that it is plaintext?
02:56<GLaDOS>right, people logging in
02:56<stew>GLaDOS: so you want to run a nethack server, but you don't want just anyone to be able to play nethack?
02:57<GLaDOS>I want to be able to run said nethack server without making my system more vulnerable
02:57<rocko>it should not a vulnerable
02:57<GLaDOS>then I was being fed bad information.
02:57<rocko>just that people can read it and log it when it is in plain text
02:57<rocko>as far as I know
02:58<GLaDOS>thats what I was aware of, and it didnt seem so bad, but then again I'm a noobie
02:58<rocko>think like your web browser that is secure
02:58<stew>GLaDOS: the thing that makes people say that telnet is vulnerable comes from the fact that it sends data plaintext. so if you use it for its intended purpuse: to login to a remote box running telnetd, its insecure in that your credentials are transmitted plaintext
02:58<rocko>and you use it most of the time in plain text for most people
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02:59<stew>GLaDOS: but this doesn't mean that if you use telnet to connect to a nethack machine that anything is any more vulnerable, it means that a snooper could watch you play nethack
02:59<GLaDOS>but if none of the users have any privelages on the system anyway then its worthless data to an attacker?
02:59<rocko>yes GLaDOS
02:59<GLaDOS>well thanks a ton then, that makes a whole lot more sense.
03:00<rocko>you could try using VPNs
03:00<rocko>they are nice
03:02<GLaDOS>between logging in as root and using sudo? anything bad happening if I dont use sudo right away?
03:03<rocko>why would you need to use sudo if you are logged in as root? GLaDOS
03:03<GLaDOS>I have heard some people say it is safer to have sudo
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03:04<GLaDOS>I dont see a security issue, but then again I'm losing the ubuntu IRC brainwashing aparently
03:04<rocko>you need to configure sudo on your machine
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03:04<rocko>on a debian box you login as normal user and just use su when you need root privileges GLaDOS
03:05<rocko>but once you are finished you have to exit
03:05<rocko>unlike sudo it has a time limit
03:05<rocko>su does not
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03:05<rocko>unlike sudo it does not have a time limit *
03:05<rocko>as far as I know
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03:05<GLaDOS>so the security issue is more about people having access to your keyboard and issuing commands from there?
03:06<Tekno>depend on sudo configuration
03:06<Tekno>I have sudo without expiration
03:07<GLaDOS>I did too on my ubuntu servers
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03:07<QPrime>an additional issue is *running* programs as the super user. generally you don't need to run applications in the super user context.
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03:10<QPrime>think carefully about why you might need to run any program as a super user... then think about it again. other than system administration you should usually leave the super user account alone... but as always ymmv.
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03:13<GLaDOS>that makes sense, thanks.
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03:14<GLaDOS>tomorrow 2 wifi rpeaters arrice
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03:15<GLaDOS>that gives me 2 blocks of wifi coverage
03:16<QPrime>planning on providing public service? thats a pretty large coverage area.
03:17<GLaDOS>exactly sir
03:17<GLaDOS>town has a horrible ISP, I have family giving me a deal with starband satellite
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03:17<QPrime>public access? :)
03:17<GLaDOS>I very basic shit
03:17<QPrime>*general public
03:18<GLaDOS>just basic surfing and email over the internet with very limited bandwidth. Ports for jsut about everything will be blocked externally but internally data can be exchanged as fast as the network can go
03:19<GLaDOS>charge just enough to cut even on the operating costs
03:20<GLaDOS>I have two linksys routers that will operate as bridges across town
03:21<GLaDOS>both are in those small clear plastic boxes glued in with a chargable battery to power them, and solar panels from a robotics project I never finished.
03:21<QPrime>best of luck to you. I've been thinking about setting up community mesh wireless in rural areas for a while. anyone with internet access provides a gateway and the rest of the network connects olpc style. need to find off the shelf APs that support mesh wireless AND will run a linux kernel.
03:21<GLaDOS>hey Qprime, I would like to run mine the same way
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03:22<GLaDOS>I just knew I lacked the skills in the programming department to pull it off
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03:24<QPrime>GLaDOS: where are you located (generally)
03:25<QPrime>(if you don't mind me asking)
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03:27<GLaDOS>playing QL atm
03:27<GLaDOS>northwest Iowa
03:29<QPrime>Northern NC here. I think I'll have to look a little further into the mesh ap idea. community data networking is one way to make sure everyone owns the 'paper and the pen'
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03:32<GLaDOS>oh, I have family over in greenville
03:32<GLaDOS>what part of NC?
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03:33<QPrime>about 40 minutes west of Hickory
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03:41<GLaDOS>O ive been there
03:41<GLaDOS>I worked a few summers at the wilds if you know where that is
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03:43<QPrime>wife is an NC native - I'm a transplant - so right now I know where the local grocery store is... and thats about it.
03:44<GLaDOS>just looked at google maps, that puts you near asheville doesnt it?
03:45<GLaDOS>carolina is great if you dont mind people who think the south won the civil war, and blacks who are so stupid you almost feel like they deserved to be property
03:46<GLaDOS>but if you dont mind the people it really is a nice place to live
03:48<QPrime>I have found that there are people to dislike everywhere. If you don't mind, I'll just ignore your last comment there friend.
03:48<GLaDOS>sorry, wasnt trying to be racist
03:49<QPrime>no need to defend... everyone has a right to say whats on their mind. - and to disagree if they don't like it.
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03:49<GLaDOS>well I shouldnt be saying things that would offend most people
03:50<GLaDOS>my point was that there are some of the most stupid people there as well as some of the most friendly
03:50<GLaDOS>but besides people I always liked how easy it was to find a place to hike to something interesting
03:51<GLaDOS>the flatness of Iowa is really getting to me right now :/
03:53<QPrime>I've had the fortune to travel a bit, and I can tell you that people are usually very much the same from place to place (in general terms of course). variations in the local culture make things interesting. but usually you will the good the bad and the ugly anywhere you go.
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03:53<QPrime>of course this is just my opinion and we all know what opinions are generally worth.
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03:54<GLaDOS>what those opinions are based on?
03:55<QPrime>on meeting people, talking with them, etc... nothing other than human contact.
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03:57<GLaDOS>so how does topography affect how you would set up said network?
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03:58<GLaDOS>everything I have thought of doing so far is completely on my own and I would like to hear what someone else is thinking about doing
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04:02<QPrime>not just topography, but also factors such as building and foliage distribution will play hell on wireless. unless you are using high quality radios don't count on more than 2000 feet of coverage per ap in wife open spaces. that more than anything will affect the *topology* of your network. as far as the *topography* goes - well, you know better than I do what the lay of the land looks like.
04:03<QPrime>wife=wide (lack of sleep catching up with me)
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04:04<GLaDOS>I was counting less than 2000 feet really since you want decent connections, not something that will keep dropping clients
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04:04<GLaDOS>especially if a client is another repeater or bridge
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04:07<QPrime>generally wireless networks are laid out in a partial mesh
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04:08<GLaDOS>so there are always 3 nodes connected to each other?
04:08<QPrime>so your best bet is likely to set up a grid system very much like the cell phone network.
04:08<GLaDOS>I was planning on it with a backbone across town of bridges
04:08<GLaDOS>town being under 2 miles square
04:09<QPrime>make sure that each ap can see at least 2 other aps and lay it down in columns.
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04:09<QPrime>sounds like you have the basic plan figured out.
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04:10<GLaDOS>very basic though
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04:13<QPrime>management of ap to ap association is gonna be messy though if you are using low-end units. you generally have to enter the mac address of the ap units to associate with into the repeating ap radios. more than 15 to 20 ap units and you might start pulling your hair out.
04:14<GLaDOS>Well the town is laid out by cross streets every 1/5 miles squared
04:14<GLaDOS>so a spreadsheet will be a very good idea
04:16<rocko>moin moin
04:17<QPrime>you might try pairing ap radios together (one client ap and one master ap) with a bridge (a small hub or switch) at each 'cell' site that might actually give you the best approximation of a mesh network (and some reasonable flexibility as well)
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04:20<QPrime>you are also going to need to watch out for switching loops - I can feel a broadcast storm coming on unless you manage the ap to ap association with an iron fist.
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04:35<GLaDOS>I just got done talking toa kid running a botnet and thinks he's an amazing hacker
04:35<ajay>hi to all,in lenny pool spca5xx source code is not available...
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04:35<cahoot>gspca now?
04:35<GLaDOS>I wonder if one could propigate a virus of sorts that would run an antivirus shell, spread, and then delete itself from it's origional host
04:36<ajay>cahoot, i think there is some difference between spca and gspca
04:36<hhuai>who can help me, i want install the adobe flash,but i can't connect them web address.
04:36<GLaDOS>you want someone to email it to you?
04:37<hhuai>GLaDOS: thank you.
04:37<GLaDOS>you just want the little flash app that's like 200kb right?
04:37<cahoot>ajay: The gpsca video for linux (v4l) driver, provides support for webcams and digital cameras based on the spca5xx range of chips
04:37<gsimmons>ajay: spca5xx was superseded by gspca (Debian bug #446980).
04:38<hhuai>GLaDOS: for firefox.
04:38<cahoot>(according to aptitude show gspca-source)
04:38<GLaDOS>thats doable, 1 sec
04:38<QPrime>GLaDOS: anyway - gotta run. good luck with the wireless project.
04:38<GLaDOS>later bro
04:39<ajay>cahoot, i have installed gspca from lenny but while using my iball camera i am getting error
04:40<ajay>gsimmons, cahoot
04:41<hhuai>GLaDOS: my email addr, thanks.
04:42<GLaDOS>HAHAHAHAHAHA Some fool jacked my steam account
04:42<cahoot>ajay: googled on the cameras usbid + gspca?
04:42<GLaDOS>installed $70 worth of games on it
04:42<GLaDOS>and then steam support returns the account to me
04:42<GLaDOS>asshole never played any of my games other than audiosurf so I know that I need not fear a VACban
04:43<ajay>cahoot, Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0c45:6130 Microdia
04:43<ajay>cahoot, but it was working quite not properly with old spca...
04:44<ajay>so i am searching correct driver....
04:50<GLaDOS>hhuai you want flash player 10 right?
04:50<hhuai>GLaDOS: yes.
04:52<cahoot>ajay: gspca seems to be the 'driver' bot listed as 'test' and with quality 3 out 5
04:53<gsimmons>ajay: Does "lsmod | grep sn9c102" return anything? (don't paste the output, a yes or no will suffice)
04:53<GLaDOS>uploading the file, will send off the email as soon as its done
04:54<ajay>gsimmons, cahoot is showing in lsmod
04:54<GLaDOS>but if you dont mind, why cant you get to the adobe site yourself?
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04:54<GLaDOS>let me stick this in a zip file, 1 sec
04:55<GLaDOS>you can open a rar file right hhuai?
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04:56<gsimmons>ajay: Exit out of any V4L apps, "modprobe -r sn9c102 && modprobe -r gspca ; modprobe gspca", then try xawtv again. If it works, blacklist the sn9c102 module: /msg dpkg blacklist
04:56<hhuai>GLaDOS: yes, i have 7zip.
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04:56<GLaDOS>trying to upload a second time
04:56<GLaDOS>damn microshit if they wont let me upload this
04:57<cahoot>GLaDOS: no real need getting verbally emotional in channel
04:57<GLaDOS>Im an emotional kinda guy :/
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04:59<GLaDOS>its sent
04:59<GLaDOS>dont know how soon you will get it though
05:00<hhuai>GLaDOS: thank you.
05:01<GLaDOS>did you get it?
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05:02<ajay>gsimmons, cahoot ..still it is giving different error,,
05:03<hhuai>GLaDOS: install_flash_player.exe ,???
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05:03<GLaDOS>its virus free, it went straight from the site to my desktop, to a zip file
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05:03<hhuai>GLaDOS: my system: Linux debian 2.6.26-1-686
05:04<GLaDOS>want the tar.gz?
05:04<gsimmons>ajay: Blacklist sn9c102, then physically disconnect and reconnect your webcam. Try xawtv again.
05:05<hhuai>GLaDOS: yes.
05:05<remes>hello, I have a dell laptop (XPS M1210), and I just intalled Ubuntu 8.1. My computer does not have microphone. Ubuntu only recognize built in sound devices. Does anyone knows how to install USB sound devices?
05:05<cahoot>just plug it in
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05:06<remes>no, plug and play doesn't work for them
05:07<remes>and also I may need to choose a device once that more than one is installed
05:07<cahoot>remes: in my experience it does - also you want to join #ubuntu
05:07<GLaDOS>k, uploading the tarball
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05:08<GLaDOS>and hhuai, sorry for my little email rant I wrote while I was waiting for it to upload
05:08<cahoot>remes: i e #ubuntu on
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05:09<GLaDOS>why wouldnt he just go to the ubuntu support IRC to begin with?
05:09<hhuai>GLaDOS: That's nothing.
05:09<cahoot>the client defaulting here?
05:09<hhuai>GLaDOS: thank you.
05:09<GLaDOS>you got the right one?
05:10<GLaDOS>just sent it
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05:11<hhuai>GLaDOS: i geted.thanks.
05:11<GLaDOS>very cool man
05:11<GLaDOS>glad I could finally do something useful
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05:13<ajay>cahoot, gsimmons ..with xawtv it was giving same error but after disabling 3d compiz it is working fine
05:14<GLaDOS>but can you live winthout compiz?
05:14<ajay>cahoot, gsimmons thanks alot..
05:14<c4__>I have changed my old CRT monitor for a LCD one. Should i change something? Here is some guy that says: "use anti-aliased fonts if you have anti-aliased fonts enabled (much easier on the eyes if your using a LCD screen)."
05:14<hhuai>GLaDOS: that's very useful. thanks, bye-bye.
05:14<GLaDOS>later man
05:14<hhuai>GLaDOS: ?
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05:15<c4__>where are that anty-aliasing fonts?
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05:16<GLaDOS>gimme your old CRT monitor
05:16<GLaDOS>I got 7 in my PC atm
05:16<GLaDOS>Im too poor to buy LCDs atm
05:17<GLaDOS>seriously though, are you sure it wasnt the setting in your OS to AA the font?
05:17<c4__>you are too poor and you are consuming 700 Watts
05:17<GLaDOS>well beyond that
05:17<GLaDOS>my PC has 3 9600 GSOs in it right now
05:18<GLaDOS>I cant afford a powerful enough PSU so I have a second 800 watt sticking out of the front to power the cards and a 600w PSu for the motherboard. The video card's PSU has a paperclip hotwiring the molex
05:19<GLaDOS>and fyi I power my servers by running an extension cord under the snow to a power outlet on the side of my neighbor's house
05:21<ajay>cahoot, gsimmons but after closing application like xawtv or camora still cameras night vision LED's are on
05:21<ajay>how to make it off?
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05:23<c4__>where the hek are that damn anti aliasing fonts?
05:24<c4__>GLaDOS: I will send GreenPeace to your home
05:24<GLaDOS>I just stowed 400 rounds of 223 this morning
05:24<GLaDOS>go for it
05:24<GLaDOS>I'll help bring down CO2 emissions a tad
05:24<ajay>cahoot, is 8.0Mpixel but not showing clear picture using camoram,xawtv
05:25<ajay>any tweaking require?
05:28<GLaDOS>are there any browser based games that I can run on a server?
05:29<GLaDOS>like Ogame or something?
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06:28<fastidio>hi all
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06:29<fastidio>have to wait for linux-kbuild-2.6.686?
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06:29<fastidio>can't do anything?
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06:30<fastidio>try to install linux-headers-2.6-686-1 on sid
06:30<fastidio>but linux-kbuild is missing
06:30<fastidio>excuse me
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06:31<Pitxyoki>fastidio, what do you want to do?
06:31<Pitxyoki>The latest kernel on debian is still 2.6.26.
06:32<fastidio>in sid ther's 2.6.28
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06:32<fastidio>and i 've installed it
06:32<Pitxyoki>When did that come?
06:32<fastidio>3 or 4 days ago
06:33<fastidio>but i'm in trouble with the kernel headers
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06:36<fastidio>no one knows?
06:36<Pitxyoki>Well, if it just entered sid it's normal some dependencies may be missing.
06:36<fastidio>i think so too
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06:36<fastidio>have to wait
06:37<Pitxyoki>linux-headers-2.6.28-1-686/i386 unsatisfiable Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.28
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07:01<goodtime>anyone here
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07:02<goodtime>hey Casper
07:02<Casper>hey goodtime
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07:03<goodtime>would ypu know if fedora is able to find drivers for things like sound cards or other hardware etc durring install
07:04<dpkg>Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, although it is not supported by RedHat officially, you can get help from the community: #fedora @
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07:04<goodtime>ty stuckey
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07:06<Casper>somebody there knows why I get buffing after maxumum 10 sec when I try to play my music there are shared thrug a samba server
07:07<Casper>the distro I use to play the music on is a debian
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07:11<GLaDOS>are there any browser based games that I can run on a server?
07:11<GLaDOS>like Ogame or something?
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07:12<GLaDOS>I've been googling it and all I come up with is big companies
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07:14<dr|z3d>GLaDOS: Try increasing the playback buffer on your player.
07:14<GLaDOS>nice, I see that I can download the ogame from the source
07:14<GLaDOS><Casper> somebody there knows why I get buffing after maxumum 10 sec when I try to play my music there are shared thrug a samba server
07:14<GLaDOS><Casper> the distro I use to play the music on is a debian
07:14<GLaDOS>redirect that to casper lol
07:15<Casper>thanks driz3d
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07:15<Casper>and thanks GlaDOS for redirecting the message
07:15<GLaDOS>np, just know it gets confusing in here sometimes
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07:17<Casper>driz3d I can't find anywhere ind the media player to increasing the buffer. Do you know any player where you can du that?
07:18<Pitxyoki>No, wait.
07:18<Pitxyoki>wrong chan
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07:18<GLaDOS>the best chan is 4chan
07:19<ajay>hi to all,which webcam tool is nice which can grab nice quality pics/
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07:38<Kr0m>hello everybody
07:38<Kr0m>can any body haelp me with a lenny installation??
07:39<Kr0m>i cant boot froma ia64 netinstall cd
07:39<Torsten_W>Kr0m: because u have not an ia64 cpu
07:40<Kr0m>i have a core 2 duo, recently adquired, if i am not wrong i have a ia64 bit, isnt it??
07:40<abrotman>Kr0m: likely you need i386 or amd64
07:40<Torsten_W>Kr0m: it isn't
07:40<Torsten_W>Kr0m: core2 is amd64
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07:40<abrotman>or i386
07:40<Kr0m>it is strange, when i boot from cd it doesnt appear any screen, only the cursor blinking
07:40<richard>Any single ladies in here then
07:40<abrotman>Kr0m: it's NOT ia64
07:41<abrotman>richard: wrong channel
07:41<Kr0m>which microprocessor corespond to ia64 architecture??
07:41<Torsten_W>intel itanium
07:41<abrotman>itanium .. you don't have that
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07:42<Pitxyoki>Kr0m, what you want is the -bigmem kernel.
07:42<abrotman>you don't even know how much memory he has
07:42<Kr0m>the amd64 iso is the most optimized for core 2 duo??
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07:43<Kr0m>or i should install the i386 iso
07:43<abrotman>Kr0m: yes .. but causes more issues with binary-only software
07:43<dr|z3d>Kr0m: No.
07:43<Torsten_W>Kr0m: if u will use 64bit, use amd64
07:43<dr|z3d>Kr0m: The name gives it away.. is core 2 duo an amd processor?
07:43<abrotman>dr|z3d: knock it off
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07:44<Kr0m>thank you very much for myour help
07:44*dr|z3d knocks it off at the corners and chamfers the edges.
07:45<Kr0m>if i install the i386 iso with a system with 4Gb of RAM and i compile the kernel with support for that amount of ram, i obtein the same performance that if i install the amd64 iso???
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07:45<Pitxyoki>abrotman, isn't the bigmem image for machines that support more than 4GB of ram?
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07:46<abrotman>Pitxyoki: no point if you don't have more than 4GB, and also both the -amd64 kernels in i386 and amd64 natively do 64GB
07:46<Gathond>Pitxyoki: more than 900 I think
07:46<dr|z3d>Kr0m: Possibly of interest:
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07:46<Gekz>dr|z3d: amd64 is x86_64
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07:46<abrotman>Gathond: no, the -486 only supports up to 960MB .. the -686 does up to 4GB with PAE
07:46<Gekz>dr|z3d: it's called amd64 because amd did it before Intel did, apparently
07:47<dr|z3d>Gekz: Okeydoke. Me bad.. "all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension"
07:47<Gathond>abrotman: ok, I just remember having to recompile a kernel to get over that limit once
07:47<abrotman>Gathond: you shouldn't have had to do that .. but whatever
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07:48<Kr0m>yes but i can install an amd64 iso and use 4GB of RAM without compilling the kernel for that isnt it?
07:48<Gathond>abrotman: yes I should, it did not have any of the highmem options set at all
07:48<abrotman>Gathond: unless it was like .. sarge?
07:48<Gathond>abrotman: it was 4+ years ago
07:48<Gathond>so quite likely
07:48<abrotman>ah ok .. perhaps then
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07:48<dr|z3d>Kr0m: 4GB is the max you can access without PAE on a 32bit OS.
07:48<abrotman>Kr0m: yes
07:48<abrotman>dr|z3d: wrong
07:48<Gekz>dr|z3d: it's more like 3.4GB
07:49<dr|z3d>I thought that was a Windows limit?
07:49<Gathond>no, 64 GB is the limit with PAE
07:49<Gathond>for the system anyway
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07:49<padski>doesn't 32 bits address 4GB exactly ?
07:49<Gathond>dr|z3d: chipset actualy
07:49<Gathond>padski: yes
07:49<Kr0m>the kernel option is a patch for 32 bits processors ??
07:50<Gathond>padski: PAE is about mapping 16 different 4 GB areas around
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07:50<Gathond>padski: which means the system can yhave 64 GB, but every process can only see 4 GB
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07:50<almost>hello just wondering when signing a file with a key its not correct see here
07:51<abrotman>Kr0m: is this a desktop or server?
07:51<Kr0m>a desktop, does it import??
07:51<Kr0m>is it relevant?
07:51<padski>Gathond, which, I have heard said, fails to meet one of the main use cases for tons of RAM: very large processes
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07:52<Gathond>padski: indeed
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07:52<Gathond>padski: it probably does have its uses though
07:53<Gathond>I suspect database systems could run sessions in seperate processes
07:53<Gathond>which can then use 4 GB for each client etc
07:55<padski>Gathond, but if you are in 32-bits then it is backward compatibility you are chasing
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07:56<Kr0m>the kernel option is a patch for 32 bit processors?? or it is necessary for 64 bit ??
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07:56<abrotman>yo don't need to patch anything
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07:57<Gathond>padski: well PAE is older than AMD64 so I figure it was a quick fix on intels part:)
07:57<dpkg>well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
07:58<dpkg>Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines.
07:58<padski>Gathond, 32-bit is still the norm on windows
07:58<Kr0m>im not talking about any pathc, im talking about PAE and High Memory Support in the Linux kernel
07:58<abrotman>Kr0m: you still don't have to patch anything
07:58<Gathond>padski: perhaps, don't know, don't care:)
07:59<Kr0m>i want to know if that option is necessary for 32 bit processors, 64 bit or both??
07:59<petern>PAE shouldn't be an option of 64 bit... i don't know about high memory
07:59<abrotman>Kr0m: use the -amd64 installer
08:00<padski>Kr0m, PAE is an extension to 32-bit
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08:00<Kr0m>padski: it means that in a 64 bit processor i dont need it for recognising 4Gb of RAM, isnt it??
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08:02<Gathond>Kr0m: yes
08:02<Kr0m>sorry for mi english
08:03<Gathond>Kr0m: provided your chipset memory controller is up to the task
08:03<Kr0m>my english
08:03<Gathond>this 2 year old laptops aint, so it maxes out at 4 GB (of which 700 or so is taken by the PCI map)
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08:04<Gathond>so depending on circumstances you may not be able to see all 4 GB regardless of 32/64 bit
08:05<Kr0m>Gathond, which circuntances are you talking about?
08:06<Kr0m>in wich circuntances you are not able to see 64Gb of RAM in a 64 bit system??
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08:06<Gathond>Kr0m: if the memory controller (for intel non I7 chips this is in the motherboard chipset) is not supporting 64 GB
08:07<Gathond>the early c2d laptop chipsets for example only support 4 GB of address space
08:07<Kr0m>ok, thank you for the information
08:07<Gathond>and since the PCI devices needs to be mapped into that space you can't actually use 4 GB of memory on those
08:07<Gathond>not because the CPU can't but because the hardware handling the memory interface cant
08:07<Kr0m>interesting infomation
08:08<Gathond>3275 is the available memory here (4 GB in the machine)
08:08<Gathond>newer chipsets should not have this restriction though
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08:09<Kr0m>in my 32 bit operating system with 64 bit processor and PAE in the kernel i have 3.7 Gb recognised
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08:09<Gathond>Kr0m: yeah
08:09<GLaDOS>anyone have a preference on free imageboard server software?
08:10<Gathond>you probably has less PCI gear than me:)
08:10<Gathond>I suspect the PCI-X mapping for the graphics card takes a good chunk here
08:10<Gathond>this is a 64 bit OS though
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08:11<awdbmtzy>anybody can help with irssi/ssl or tell me where to get help?
08:13<valdyn>!tell awdbmtzy -about ask
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08:17<awdbmtzy>valdyn: /msg dpkg I have a problem to connect irssi over ssl answer: i haven't a clue
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08:26<Kr0m>good bye everybody and thank you for all
08:27<Kr0m>ill try the amd64 iso, now
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08:28<padski>awdbmtzy, dpkg is a bot
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08:35<debam>hi to all ,i am having iball digital pen tablet 5543:0003 UC-Logic Technology Corp can anyone help me to configure this deviace..
08:35<debam>it has been detected..and i am able to use with openoffice writer
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08:37<debam>but other functionality like open cut internet explore is not by default working so some configuration require to be done i think so
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08:39<debam>i got link but not in english..
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08:42<Golfgeo>Hi all
08:42<Golfgeo>Got a problem with stellarium: The extra star catalogs I've downloaded via the gui arn't being used automaticly, what to do?
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08:54<djc>Find a stellarium support channel/list ?
08:54<dutchy>can someone that runs KDE 3.5.10 verify something for me? I think I found a bug but don't want to look foolish reporting a bug that 1) is only on my system and not on others 2) is applied to a older branch of code
08:55<dutchy>here's what's happening. I put a window on desktop 2, I then minimize it and go to dekstop 1, I select the window from the taskbar and it moves the window to desktop 1, even though the settings in the config specificall tell it not to to that.
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08:56<adema>hey hello every one
08:56<djc>Sure it isnt just switching to 'desktop 2' ?
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08:56<adema>i'd like to move copy my entire system partition onto another partition
08:56<adema>should i use cp or dd ?
08:56<djc>unless the filesystem size and layout is identical, you do NOT want to use dd
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08:57<djc>and cp will be slow as hell
08:57<dutchy>djc: yes, I can verify that by seeing it move it with other windows open and viewing the "desktop preview pager" panel app.
08:57<adema>ok so, not dd, not cp
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08:57<djc>adama, you execpt to be able to boot from it?
08:57<Tekno>i'd use clonezilla
08:57<djc>or just make a fresh install on the new drive?
08:57<Tekno>or rsync if you just want to copy files
08:57<dutchy>agreed, clonezilla
08:58<Tekno>clonezilla is the best
08:58<adema>djc, in fact, my actual drive, is in a mess, and i'd like to move my system partition
08:58<adema>so i must copy the content onto another
08:58<djc>then copy over your personal files (/home)
08:58<djc>if your system is a mess and you want to 'start over', with a new drive,
08:58<adema>i'll modify grub menu.lst and do a grub-install and it will works fine i think^^
08:58<djc>i would suggest a fresh install
08:59<dutchy>I'd vote for new install, then copy /home
08:59<adema>my home is fine
08:59<djc>then connect the old drive somehow, and copy all your personal data and files
08:59<djc>or just mount them
08:59<djc>do a fresh install then put the old drive in and mount /home from it
08:59<adema>i don't want to do a fresh install
08:59<adema>so, i'll use cp anyway ...
09:00<dutchy>fresh install doesn't take that long, faster than the copy I bet
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09:00<TMcTrain>how can I cange Screen resolution?
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09:00<adema>but, i don't want to reinstall!
09:00<djc>only save/copy *your* personal files
09:00<djc>either by copy, or keep on same drive and mount again
09:00<adema>i have a perfect workind testing debian
09:00<dutchy>adema: your computer, your choice
09:00<adema>i _just_ want to move it
09:00<djc>then why do you need to do anything?
09:01<adema>'cause i reduce the size of my old windows partition, and i want my home to have more space
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09:02<adema>and, with my actual config, i have to move my system onto another partition then, delete the old system partition then, modify the size of my home partition
09:02<djc>you have a second, blank drive?
09:02<dutchy>you can just install the packages that are currently installed, all you need is a new testing iso and a list of apps and feed that list into aptitude or apt-get (script it of course) and then move /home from old hd to new one, done.
09:03<djc>you could just leave your system where it is, and make the entire new drive a new /home
09:03<dutchy>that works too
09:03<djc>and copy stuff from the old "/home" to it
09:03<dutchy>use both drives
09:03<dutchy>that gives even more space
09:03<djc>then remov the old /home
09:03<djc>and use its space for something else
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09:04<adema>no i can't do that djc
09:04<djc>"moving" an installed OS from one drive to another is.. well.. the least desirable option
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09:04<adema>so you're telling me that is not possible to copy the content of a partition into another oO ?
09:04<djc>you dont want to go moving around your system stuff
09:05<djc>im not saying it isnt *possible*
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09:05<djc>im just saying its something thats a pain in the ass, and very easy to find yourself where you have no working system at all
09:05<adema>well why ? i'll just have to modify menu.lst from grub and my fstab
09:05*dutchy agrees with djc
09:05<adema>k k
09:05<djc>adama, well, its your system
09:05<djc>so do what you want
09:05*dutchy agrees with djc again
09:05<djc>you came for advice, take it or leave it
09:05<adema>i really though it would be easy to do that^^
09:06<adema>i'll do a fresh install :)
09:06<dutchy>the fresh install is the easy way
09:06<djc>you can save you list of installed packages
09:06<dutchy>based on the statement "my hd is a mess"
09:06<adema>djc, how ?
09:06<djc>dpkg -L
09:06<dpkg>wish i knew, djc
09:06<djc>or -l
09:06<adema>ok thx
09:06<djc>man dpkg
09:07<djc>you are installing on the *new* drive?
09:07<adema>yes, but i don't have a free cdrom now, so i'll have to wait
09:07<dutchy>I might even have a script lying around that does it.
09:07<dutchy>(listing the packages in a format so you can install it later)
09:07<djc>i recently took my laptop, that had a 160GB drive with fedora 7 on it
09:07<djc>i bought a new 320G drive
09:07<adema>i'm currently using debian on a usb-stick(i though copy my system while using debian on a stick won't compromise my system)
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09:08<djc>swapped the drives out, installed lenny on the new drive
09:08<djc>and used a usb<->sata adapter to mount the old one
09:08<dutchy>you need to do dpkg -l > awk '(print $2)' or so, then remove the libs (which get pulled in anyway)
09:08<djc>previously having made a note of what fedora packages were installed,
09:09<djc>then I went through the stuff on the old drive after mounting it over the usb
09:09*dutchy has reinstalled many times
09:09*dutchy is almost an expert at installing
09:09<dutchy>(does use expert mode)
09:09<djc>once I got down to like 25GB of 'assorted junk' left in my old home dir, I just copied it over into a /home/oldmachine directory
09:09<dutchy>on businesscard iso
09:10<djc>and eventually, once some time has gone by (to allow for the "Oh!, I forgot to copy X" moments), I'll wipe the old 160GB free and have it as a big empty 'extra' space to store things
09:10<dutchy>djc: I use offline storage for that sort of stuff, put /oldcomuter on external drive that I collected.
09:11<adema>well there is no netinstall iso for debian-testing ? oO
09:11<adema>i'll take the xfce+lxde :o
09:11<dutchy>adema: sure there is
09:11<djc>dutchy, well, thats my enventual goal, but I didnt want to wipe said external drive until I had everything I wanted off of it
09:11<djc>and I didnt want to take the time to tediuousl pick though my (quite disorganized) old home dir
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09:12<djc>I organize by keeping the mess around and just getting more free space ;)
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09:14<debam>hi to all ,while compiling package i am getting error as checking for XORG... configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old
09:14<debam> you may set the environment variables XORG_CFLAGS
09:14<debam>and XORG_LIBS
09:15<dutchy>adema: get the businesscard, then tell it to install testing
09:15<dutchy>that's the fastest way to do it
09:15<dutchy>then install the pacakges you want, then copy the home, then you are done
09:16<adema>well, can i install debian from debian ?(dunno if i'm clear^^)
09:16<dutchy>adema: yes, you can do that too
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09:17<dutchy>you can do it from scratch the hard way
09:17<debam>what should be contained XORG_CFLAGS while compiling
09:17<dutchy>with debootstrap and all that mess.
09:17<adema>'cause i can't write my iso(i don't have a valid cdrom right now)
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09:18<dutchy>adema: mind if we go private?
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09:18<adema>no, come on :p
09:18<dutchy>I don't want to clog the channel, that's all
09:19<dutchy>you need specific advice that I can give, don't want it, fine.
09:19<adema>yes i know
09:19<adema>well, you mistanderstood me
09:19<adema>i can come in private^^
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09:19<adema>"come on" -> "go private"
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09:22<abrotman>!tell adema about debootstrap
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09:27<immatRrecord>hey abrotman !
09:27<abrotman>hi again
09:27<immatRrecord>how are you ? good sleep ?
09:28<immatRrecord>My fan turn again and again ...
09:28<jrodger>here's a curly one for everyone....I love FAST,, but do you think that the new fast boot program will make it into LILO or GRUB?
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09:28<immatRrecord>LILO for LVM jrodger !
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09:29<jrodger>no the new program....apparently is loaded into BIOS or on motherboard.....hang on will get the article
09:30<immatRrecord>ah ... What program ?
09:30<jrodger>is on ars technica
09:31<jrodger>or something....looking fo it now....something like smart boot
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09:32*abrotman wonders what this has to do with lxde
09:33<padski>abrotman, speed of desktop, speed of boot. commonality: speed
09:34<jrodger>not really an lxde issue abrotman but to make things start faster...I mean LXDE is fast enough but would know everything else out of the water if this was part of the boot
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09:34<TMcTrain>how can I cange screen resolution under debian -> fluxbox
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09:36<adema>does the package wireless-tools is in the xfce-lxde iso of debian testing
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09:36<adema>it's not on the netinstall version, i don't have an ethernet connection :P
09:36<gsimmons>!tell adema -about cd contents
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09:39<dutchy>adema: the live version afaik has no installer
09:39<adri>How I can read a title in a first grade-1251-format during movie?
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09:41<adri>Subtitles are bulgarian and Mplay Er refuses to read them
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09:41<adri>system need a cp1251 but Debian is a utf-8 platform
09:42<adri>and what i doing now
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09:56<kernix>how can I use netstat to see which address I'm downloading a file from?
09:57<padski>kernix, -p
09:57<abrotman>probably some grep wouldhelp too
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09:58<kernix>I'm using Iphone
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09:58<kernix>and I'm using a program that needs to download 2GB file, and I don't have wifi here, so I'm trying to know which file it tries to download
09:58<kernix>and if I have the address I can download it from my PC
09:58<AbsintheSyringe>does anyone else have a problem with update-manager? apparently my is showing when there are updates present, but cannot perform any action, squeeze
09:59<padski>kernix, you have debian on your iphone ? or your iphone is just a modem in this ?
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09:59<kernix>no debian in it
09:59<abrotman>AbsintheSyringe: that program pisses me off :)
10:00<kernix>but I can ssh it and run netstat
10:00<AbsintheSyringe>abrotman, same here, but it was working "fine" until recently
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10:00<AbsintheSyringe>abrotman, I'm using aptitude either way, but if it's there, I wanna use it, or remove it :)
10:00<abrotman>AbsintheSyringe: i forcefully removed it from gnome .. it was wrong all the time :)
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10:00<padski>kernix, but then we would be off-topic ;-)
10:01<AbsintheSyringe>abrotman, I guess I'm gonna do the same thing
10:01<padski>kernix, so pastebin the output
10:01<kernix>I used Debian few years ago doesn't it count ? :)
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10:01<abrotman>AbsintheSyringe: it just irritated the crap out of me .. maybe i was using it wrong .. but it would pop up all the time and tell me there were updates, but there were none
10:02<padski>kernix, and perhaps output of netstat --version
10:02<kernix>padski, come to #pastebin?
10:04<valdyn>kernix: why dont you use wireshark or tcpdump?
10:04<abrotman>on an iphone ?
10:05<AbsintheSyringe>abrotman, yeh, update managers in general are teh meh factor
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10:06<adema>just a last question
10:06<AbsintheSyringe>but, either way I'm gonna report this as bug
10:06<abrotman>AbsintheSyringe: maybe if you exclusively use it, it may work better .. i just killed it off
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10:06<AbsintheSyringe>abrotman, you know, there could be a lot that could be changed to better of course
10:07<adema>to install grub on the mbr with the correct /boot/grub/menu.lst, i just have to execute grub-install /dev/hda par exemple ?
10:07<abrotman>AbsintheSyringe: hence the meh .. dont' care enough :)
10:07<valdyn>adema: yes, but menu.list is not installed
10:07<valdyn>adema: yes, but menu.lst is not installed
10:07<AbsintheSyringe>abrotman, yep, but I'm trying to :)
10:07<adema>valdyn, meaning ?
10:08<valdyn>adema: grub reads it when grub is running
10:08<adema>ok, so that's just what i want^^
10:08<valdyn>adema: so maybe you already have grub installed, changing menu.lst doesnt require a new grub-install
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10:09<adema>valdyn, how do i tell grub to use the menu.lst of a certain partition ?
10:12<valdyn>adema: grub-install scans the location /boot/grub/menu.lst and on which disk/partition that when you run that
10:13<adema>so i'll have to chroot in the correct partition than do a chroot :P
10:13<adema>then do a grub-install (sorry :p)
10:14<valdyn>adema: that works, but theres a --root-directory=foo switch, i havent ever used it
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10:25<dihoruar>hi all i have big problem i just downloaded debian 5 and i burn it to a disk and boot from it now when i am in installation i get this error: no disk drive detected
10:26<dihoruar>c'mon people
10:26<FloF>hi, i have a problem: i have installed "wu-ftpd" and the ftp-root is "/home/ftp/, but i will change it to "/var/www/". how i do this?
10:26<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
10:27<padski>dihoruar, what sort of hardware is that ?
10:27<dihoruar>disk drive... i think my harddisk drive but on topic on internet people say it is the chipset :S
10:28<padski>which is ?
10:28<dihoruar>chipset? the procesor?
10:28<FloF>padski, can you help me?
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10:30<padski>FloF, been a long time since I used wu-ftpd
10:30<abrotman>use a better ftpd
10:30<abrotman>vsftpd or proftpd would be better/easier to configure
10:31<FloF>i have proftpd had i tested, but i dont know hwo i can change the root-tree. (sorry for my english, im from germany)
10:32<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
10:32<padski>although, obviously, you are welcome, but sometimes it helps
10:33<dihoruar>padski do you know where i must search for answer to my problem .. i mean i have google it but i dont find the correct answer
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10:33<FloF>in i dont become help really
10:33<padski>dihoruar, what hardware do you have ?
10:33<dihoruar>what do you wanna know my motherboard?
10:34<padski>dihoruar, it might help you to include this sort of data in your inquiry, yes
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10:35<padski>FloF, sure, but don't confuse action with progress ;-)
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10:38<dihoruar>motherboard is ecs N3U400-A nforce 2 ultra 400
10:38<dihoruar>motherboard is ecs N2U400-A nforce 2 ultra 400
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10:39<abrotman>they still make mobos?
10:40<dihoruar>i dont know really this computer is maked out pieces if you understand me i dont bought it in a store
10:40<dpkg>from memory, kmuto is For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
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10:41<dihoruar>ah you mean i need a recenter kernel
10:41<abrotman>possibly ..
10:41<abrotman>wait .. your mobo sounds old
10:41<abrotman>does it have sata ?
10:42<dihoruar>you mean on the website?
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10:42<padski>2004 old
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10:43<epitaph>FloF, in proftpd, use the DefaultRoot directive
10:43<epitaph>FloF, dunno about wu-ftpd
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10:52<smr>Can I find somerwhere a list of all wifi chips that support WPA and that I can use with a free driver ?
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10:53<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
10:54<Tekno>madwifi is crap
10:54<gsimmons>smr: I can inform you of the drivers that don't support WPA, if that would make things easier.
10:54<padski>Tekno, it was good when there was no other option
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10:54<azeem>somebody update that factoid with the current atheros driver name
10:54<smr>gsimmons: What should I use if it's not WPA ? WEP ? I wouldn't feel secure with that
10:54<michele>ciao a tutti
10:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:55<padski>is madwifi completely obsolete
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10:56<padski>is the rest of it all ath5k or is there ath_pci as well ?
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10:57<valdyn>padski: ath5k was not as good last i checked
10:57<padski>dpkg , s/<madwifi>/<atheros>/
10:57<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, padski
10:57<valdyn>padski: not as good as madwifi
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10:57<padski>that was silly
10:57<Tekno>latest ath5k works better than madwifi
10:58<padski>I suspect it depends on your hardware
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10:58<Tekno>but for example, changing mode from adhoc<->regular on-fly works
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10:58<Tekno>in madwifi it doesnt afaik
10:59<valdyn>rate control was bad, when i tried, but thats 3 months ago
10:59<gsimmons>smr: You'd want WPA. Some of the legacy 802.11b device drivers in the kernel don't support it.
10:59<gsimmons>Tekno: You need to destroy and recreate the VAP (default station) to change operating modes with the madwifi driver.
11:00<Tekno>thats the problem
11:01<smr>"gsimmons smr: You'd want WPA. " <= Err yes, that's what I asked.
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11:03<gsimmons>Probably not up-to-date WRT WPA2.
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11:05<smr>Ok so according to I can choose between rtl8180, rt2500, rt2400, ath5k and adm8211. Only 5 possibilities :/
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11:07<dmoerner>the rt2500and rt2400 drivers still require some firmware i believe, but i may be wrong
11:09<gsimmons>dmoerner: You're wrong. :) It's the later revisions (eg. RT2501/RT2600) that do.
11:09<dmoerner>gsimmons, ah, good to know. thanks
11:09<smr>I guess that the chips are not always written on the box right ? So I'm not sure if a card is fine or not ?
11:10<gsimmons>!what's my wireless
11:10<dpkg>Install the 'hwinfo' package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or, or ask about <whats my hardware>
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11:11<gsimmons>smr: The chipset directory link above is a useful reference.
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11:11<adema>i just copy my system with cp
11:11<adema>and it works fine :)
11:12<smr>gsimmons: thanks but i'm trying to find what to buy, not if my card is good.
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11:17<padski>smr, it would make sense to look at what hardware vendors like dell and the netbook manufacturers are offering on their linux hardware. i recall something being said about intel being good ( a while back).
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11:17*eleckttruss i have a question...
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11:18<eleckttruss>how can i auto star a aplication when im going into my session im using lxde and debian
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11:32<stuckey>Does anyone know the name of the command line music player? It uses an ncurses interface...
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11:32<goodger>stuckey: mplayer?
11:32<stuckey>moc... just found it.
11:32<stew>stuckey: cplay?
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11:41<Kr0m>hello wolrd
11:41*eleckttruss at
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11:42<eleckttruss>hello world
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11:42<Kr0m>i am trying to boot from debian lenny netinstall cd
11:42<Kr0m>but the kernel with that distro isnt compiled with ath9k driver
11:42<eleckttruss>do u check on google?
11:43<Kr0m>i need it to install the distro trough internet
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11:43<Kr0m>yes i have googled
11:43<eleckttruss>what did u found?
11:44<Kr0m>i have compiled a kernel with support for my network card and i have subtituied the vmlinuz that goes with the distro for my kernel
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11:45<dpkg>rumour has it, kmuto is For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see
11:45<Kr0m>but when i boot it appears: "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c"
11:46<Kr0m>the people in forums says that it is because i try to boot a 32 bit kernel in a 64 bit OS
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11:46<Kr0m>but the kernel is compiled for 64 bits and the iso is amd64 netinstall
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11:50<beer>can someone install nvidia-glx on amd64 on sid/unstable?
11:51<Slurb>yes beer
11:51<Kr0m>i am downloading the kmuto iso
11:51<Slurb>i used the nvidia installer from command line though
11:51<Kr0m>good bye, i will be booting
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11:51<Kr0m>thank you for the link
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11:52<beer>so you was installing the nvidia driver from and not via "apt-get -t unstable install nvidia-glx?
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11:53<Slurb>i have a custom kernel
11:53<Slurb>thats the only way
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11:54<Slurb>i think you may be able to use apt-get as well
11:54<Slurb>i believe its in the repos for lenny
11:54<Slurb>i just have to build custom modules for my kernel
11:55<beer>it is in lenny but it is a old one (17*) and a 180 in sid
11:55<beer>the new 180 should help on performance in kde 4
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11:56<beer>but when I am trying to upgrade apt complains about a missing nvidia-kernel-180.29
11:56<goodger>beer: when trying to upgrade what?
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11:58<fenix>hi guys
11:58<goodger>beer: please pastebin your sources.list
11:58<fenix>can someone give me a litle help with a problem in lenny 5
11:58<beer>when trying to upgrade nvidia-glx on amd64 apt complains about nvidia-kernel-180.29
11:58<fenix>it installed my sound card
11:58<dmoerner>fenix, please pastebin the dmesg errors
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11:59<dmoerner>think of it as a bonus...i already saw the question in mentors :)
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11:59<goodger>beer: I will be able to help you in a moment
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12:00<dmoerner>that's not an error
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12:01<dmoerner>fenix, what is the chipset and have you tried the alsa checklist? /msg dpkg alsa checklist
12:01<beer> <- my source.list
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12:02<dmoerner>beer, are you trying to upgrade to sid
12:02<beer>I have already upgrade to sid, but nvidia-glx cannot be upgraded
12:02<azeem>beer: sid isn't supported here
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12:03<beer>is testing supported here?
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12:04<dmoerner>fenix, what is the sound card? lspci will tell you
12:05<fenix>Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
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12:05<goodger>beer: lenny is not testing, squeeze is testing
12:06<eljefe>how can i check which driver X is using?
12:06<dmoerner>fenix, does it work if you rmmod snd_hda_intel snd_pcm snd_timer snd soundcore snd_page_alloc && modprobe snd_hda_intel by hand
12:06<beer>I know that lenny is stable now
12:07<fenix>its in use by snd
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12:07<goodger>beer: please pastebin the complete output when upgrading nvidia-glx
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12:09<dmoerner>fenix, try changing the order to snd_hda_intel snd_pcm snd_seq snd_timer snd_seq_device snd soundcore
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12:10<beer> <- when trying to get nvidia-glx from sid
12:11<fenix>ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel does not exist in /proc/modules
12:11<fenix>ERROR: Module snd_pcm does not exist in /proc/modules
12:12<timh>hi guys, I'm trying to setup debmirror, but I constantly get gpg errors ... can anyone help me with "gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found" ? I have imported the keyring, I even given an ultimate trust to the key and tried to download from
12:12<dmoerner>fenix, that's no problem, that just means it successfully removed these modules on the first run
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12:13<fenix>ok tried to run aplay again and same error
12:13<timh>and yes, I have asked google, with no luck :(
12:13<gsimmons>timh: Using Lenny? See /usr/share/doc/debmirror/NEWS.Debian
12:13<goodger>beer: looks like the problem is that you're running a mangled hybrid of lenny and sid. bad luck :(
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12:15<timh>gsimmons: yes, lenny (checking again now)
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12:15<timh>gsimmons: thanks for pointing this out :)
12:15<fenix>dmoerner: its strange that the mixer shows the sound card but i cant get any sound output
12:16<dmoerner>fenix, yeah that is odd. are you sure there isn't anything else that is muted?
12:16<fenix>yes it shows the letters OO
12:17<Silicium01>why does chmod -R ga-w dir strip write permission from User too?
12:17<fenix>dmoerner: its normal the dmesg output about the sound card??
12:17<dmoerner>yeah that's not a problem, at least what you pasted me
12:18<eljefe>Silicium01 what about 'go-w' -- group, others. ga means group, all -- all includes User
12:18<eljefe>ugo -- user, group, others. I remember that because it sounds like the car brand Yugo
12:19<Silicium01>eljefe, I see, thanks mate!
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12:19<fenix>dmoerner: after run vlc i get this output on /var/messages/log
12:19<fenix>Mar 7 17:12:40 fenix-pc kernel: [10099.254836] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1b.0[A] -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 22
12:20<EmleyMoor>What do I need to do to activate "third mouse button emulation" on my laptop? It's running lenny with gnome desktop
12:21<EmleyMoor>Ah, hang on - found what it's using for middle button
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12:23<pawel>what is hardware address of 1st LPT port in Debian?
12:24<azeem>pawel: why do you need to know?
12:24<fenix>dmoerner: i will restart to check something brb
12:24<pawel>I want to make a robot :)
12:24<azeem>pawel: seems like you got bigger problems then
12:25<pawel>I mean /dev/ <what?>
12:25<azeem>that's not the hardware address
12:25<pawel>I know thet for rs232 the address is /dev/ttyS0
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12:25<azeem>pawel: /dev/parport0
12:25<pawel>tyhen what?
12:25<azeem>it's the device node?
12:25<pawel>thanks a lot.
12:26<azeem>the hardware address would most likely be the i/o port number
12:26<azeem>though that has nothing to do with Debian obviously
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12:26<petern>i would imagine you're unlikely to need its 'hardware' address
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12:29<timh>gsimmons: thanks a lot
12:29<gsimmons>timh: np
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12:34<pawel>is any driver needed for Debian to support pendrives?
12:36<pawel>and if I connect pendrive, where it is in text mode
12:37<azeem>usb pendrives you mean?
12:37<azeem>no driver is needed for these
12:37<azeem>and they are wherever you mount them at
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12:40<EmleyMoor>The device nodes are /dev/sd... as a rule
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12:41<roelof>* Verbonden. Nu bezig met aanmelden...
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12:45<fenix>hi again
12:45<fenix>sound continues to refuses to play sounds
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12:54<blarson>!tell fenix about alsaconfig
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12:55<fenix>hummm.... nothing append
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12:56<cahoot>fenix: you test sound with speaker-test?
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12:57<EmleyMoor>Any specific plugins etc. I should make sure I have for best performance in youtube?
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12:57<fenix_>blarson: i already made that
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12:58<fenix_>the problem is that my sound card are not working
12:58<fenix_>it has mixer and everything but i cant get any output
12:59<cahoot>fenix: test sound with speaker-test -t wav -c2 in a terminal - any error?
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13:00<fenix_>no error but no sound
13:01<cahoot>fenix: and you know for a fact it's unmuted ?
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13:01<fenix_>its unmuted
13:02<fenix_>Master 00
13:02<cahoot>fenix: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything?
13:02<fenix_>headphone MM
13:02<pawel>when I try to start fluxbox there's an error "couldnt connect to x server" what I've got to do to fix it
13:02<azeem>pawel: start x server
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13:02<azeem>pawel: are you in text mode or graphics mode?
13:02<fenix_>Front 00
13:02<fenix_>Front Mic MM
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13:02<azeem>pawel: logged in as root or normal user?
13:03<pawel>how I prefer :)
13:03<pawel>now root
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13:03<azeem>then log in as normal user, X shouldn't be started as root
13:03<azeem>then try e.g. startx
13:03<Silicium01>do programs stop starting from time to time?
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13:03<azeem>Silicium01: usually not
13:03<Silicium01>gnome seems not to be able t o launch things
13:04<Silicium01>starting iceweasel ... hangs and dissapears
13:04<azeem>Silicium01: is your file-system full?
13:04<Silicium01>azeem, no
13:04<Silicium01>same with system monitor
13:04<azeem>Silicium01: check that no other instance of iceweasel is running on a different desktpo
13:04<pawel>when I type startx as root, "command not found"
13:04<azeem>pawel: I just told you not to run it as root
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13:04<Silicium01>I cant start anything
13:04<pawel>as normal user too
13:05<dr|z3d>Silicium01: Have you tried iceweasel with -safe-mode and/or -no-remote ?
13:05<azeem>pawel: install the xorg package
13:05<azeem>Silicium01: how do you start it?
13:05<Silicium01>dr|z3d, even openoffice wont start
13:05<azeem>Silicium01: can you start things from a terminal window?
13:05<Silicium01>azeem, click on launcher or from gnome menu
13:05<dr|z3d>Silicium01: Tried a reboot?
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13:05<Silicium01>dr|z3d, havent rebooted yet
13:05<Silicium01>starting terminal... hangs azeem
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13:06<dr|z3d>Silicium01: Personally I'd do that before anything else.
13:06<Silicium01>dr|z3d, is this common?
13:06<Silicium01>what could have caused this azeem , dr|z3d
13:06<azeem>Silicium01: wait a second
13:06<azeem>Silicium01: check the last few lines of ~/.xsession-errors
13:06<dr|z3d>Silicium01: Not as uncommon as you might imagine.
13:06<azeem>for hints
13:06<pawel>temporaily failure resolvng (...)
13:06<azeem>pawel: get networking going then
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13:06<Silicium01>azeem, how would i check, cant start gnome terminal
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13:07<azeem>Silicium01: hit ctrl+alt+f1
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13:07<azeem>then login on the console
13:07<kippi>I am looking at writing a scrolling bar that I can pass all types of information to, what would the best language be to do this?
13:07<pawel>ok, I'll reconfigure DHCP, brb
13:07<Silicium01>azeem, ok, how do I get back to gui after ctrl alt f1?
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13:07<azeem>kippi: this is off-topic here
13:07<Silicium01>azeem, to chat again...
13:07<azeem>Silicium01: alt+f7 or alt+f8 usually
13:07<Silicium01>azeem, ok let me try
13:07<azeem>Silicium01: but maybe you can't
13:07<kippi>azeem, where is the best place to ask?
13:07<azeem>if your session is so broken
13:07<azeem>kippi: that question is off-topic as well
13:08<azeem>plus I don't know
13:08<kippi>azeem, is that all you can come up with
13:08<Silicium01>weird, azeem , after ctrl alt f1 I was prompted to login in CLI
13:08<kippi>most people are very helpful on irc
13:08<azeem>Silicium01: that's what I told you
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13:08<azeem>kippi: this is not a random-question channel, sorry
13:08<Silicium01>azeem, should not I have been logged in?
13:09<azeem>Silicium01: hrm?
13:09<azeem>19:05 < azeem> then login on the console
13:09<Silicium01>azeem, ok let me try again
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13:11<Silicium01>azeem, last 10 lines showed "playing some wav file, for xcha
13:11<azeem>Silicium01: what's the time stamp?
13:11<azeem>ls -l ~/.xsession-errors
13:11<azeem>is it recent?
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13:12<pawel>xorg works :)
13:13<Silicium01>azeem, yes
13:13<Silicium01>file is recent
13:13<pawel>fluxbox too!
13:14<pawel>thank you very much.
13:14<azeem>Silicium01: did you try the gnome-run dialog (I think via alt+f2 from the desktop=
13:14<azeem>maybe that one still lets you run gnome-terminal
13:14<azeem>Silicium01: you don't have any other terminal open by chance?
13:15<Silicium01>azeem, alt f2 opens the run box, but cant launch anything
13:15<Silicium01>no terminals are open
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13:15<Silicium01>azeem, I had been sudoing a bit, maybe some permission related thing happened in X?
13:15<Silicium01>azeem, I changed the hostname of machene and restarted
13:16<Silicium01>dont know if it ahs anything to do with it
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13:16<Silicium01>sucks to be a boon
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13:16<Silicium01>azeem, I'll restart X
13:16<Silicium01>dr|z3d, is it safe to restart X by ctl alt backspace?
13:17<dr|z3d>Silicium01: Try a reboot, if you still have those issues, ask again. Start X first if you think it might help.. I'm dubious.. and yes, ctrl+alt+backspc.
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13:17<Silicium01>alright guys, see you around in a bit
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13:18<immatRrecord>Hey Silicium01 !!
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13:18<Silicium01>restarted X, and it's ok now
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13:18<Silicium01>hi immatRrecord
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13:19<Silicium01>I must have lost the permissions somehow
13:19<immatRrecord>hi Silicium01, do you win yesterday with your interface ?
13:19<Silicium01>immatRrecord, are you jimmy?
13:19<immatRrecord>yes :)
13:19<Silicium01>immatRrecord, no, it didnt work, sorry I did not say goobye
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13:20<immatRrecord>-_-', i'm back later
13:20*Silicium01 thanks immatRrecord
13:20<immatRrecord>No prob Silicium01, see later !
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13:27<nsa_fiend>so i'm browsing the web and have a couple lite apps running. all of a sudden X restarts and i'm staring at my login screen again.
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13:31<fenix>cahoot: are you there
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13:33<goodger>bonjour sushi
13:33<sushi>j'ai un soucis
13:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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13:35<sushi>(i'm noob)
13:35<dmoerner>sushi, /join #debian-fr
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13:45<timh>I constanlty get timeout errors when using debmirror ... is that "normal" or does my provider have some issues? (I have tried several other mirrors)
13:46<Jpdota>hey the new synaptics update broke my configuration settings, does anyone know how to fix them? im running squeeze. i was using gsynaptics to configure my touchpad
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13:47<fenix>dmoerner: hi again
13:47<fenix>still not getting any sound
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14:01<dr|z3d>!tell atonetoile about fr
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14:05<abdoul>bonsoir a tous
14:05<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
14:06<abdoul>ok merci
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14:06<goodger>the french seem to be invading in particularly large numbers this evening
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14:10<EmleyMoor>I am trying to use gsynaptics to see what it can configure but it says I need to set SHMconfig true in xorg.conf - what exactly do I need to do?
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14:12<cahoot>I've Option "SHMConfig" "true" (in Section Inputdevice)
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14:13<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Tried that - think I need an extra section - trying the example
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Still no go - maybe I need to do something more to make the change active
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14:18<EmleyMoor>Still no go
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14:19<EmleyMoor>From a default lenny setup, where do I go?
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14:26<fgh>i have a nvidia gf4200, what is the right "debian-way" to install gl-drivers for x?
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14:28<dr|z3d>fgh: Use envyng, probably.
14:28<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... still no go on gsynaptics
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14:36<pawel>is there any ftp putting program for DEebian (text mode)
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14:38<EmleyMoor>pawel: What exactly are you trying to do?
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14:41<nkuttler>pawel: ncftpput works for me
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14:44<th_>algum brazuca na area?
14:45<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:45<pawel>thanks a lot.
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14:46<pawel>where cai i get ncftpput? isn't it for window$ ?
14:47<stew>pawel: in the ncftp package
14:47<pawel>thanks. I must o.
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14:57<immatRrecord>Silicium01, i'm back
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15:21<meshuggah>i have debian lenny with gnome ; i have a little problem while trying to install compiz, i can run it and see the beautiful effects, but i cant see the useful little blue bar upside all the program windows, where i can close, minimize or expand, anyone can help me?
15:26<meshuggah>everybody is dead?
15:26<dr|z3d>meshuggah: Sounds like you don't have window furniture.. a common complaint.. try initialising the emerald wm, perhaps.
15:26<meshuggah>ok thank dr|z3d
15:27<meshuggah>i cant find it in synaptic
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15:27<meshuggah>is it because no lenny package of it exist?
15:27<meshuggah>or my repository isnt set the right way?
15:28<dr|z3d>apt-cache search emerald
15:28<meshuggah>ok thank another time
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15:29<meshuggah>i only find the 2 games i found in synaptic, i will try to find help in google
15:30<dr|z3d>aptitude install emerald
15:30<dr|z3d>Does that not work for you?
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15:31<dr|z3d>Also, aptitutude install fusion-icon might help, meshuggah
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15:31<meshuggah>dr|z3d, i already have it and i dont see the emerald in it
15:32<dr|z3d>meshuggah: You need to install that, I'm surprised emerald isn't in default repositories.
15:32<meshuggah>i tried the 2nd command and it says me impossible to find this package(but in french :)
15:32<dr|z3d>Sounds to me like you need to enable additional repositories, then.
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15:33<meshuggah>but in google i dont see in the search result of (lenny emerald) something about emerald package
15:33<meshuggah>but i see one in building it
15:34<meshuggah>i will try
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15:35<meshuggah>i found that rep : deb ./
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15:35<yfk>when I mount this HFS+ partition I can read from it but not write to it... how can I fix this?
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15:38<meshuggah>yfk : did you check the attributes?
15:38<yfk>meshuggah: you mean if I have permission or fstab?
15:39<meshuggah>permission, sorry, i am newbie
15:40<meshuggah>dr|z3d, with the rep i found, it works :)
15:40<dr|z3d>meshuggah: Great stuff! :)
15:40<yfk>meshuggah: doesen't let me write as root neither, so I guess It's not that...
15:40<dr|z3d>meshuggah: Does it fix your window furniture issue, though?
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15:45<meshuggah>yfk, if you can read french go there :
15:46<meshuggah>dr|z3d, it installed with some errors
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15:49<meshuggah>yfk, try installing packages : hfsplus, hfsutils, hpmount. if it dont work, it is becuase they disabled something because of the @journal@ thing, if so, reformat it with this thing
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15:49<meshuggah>without this thing(journal)
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15:52<gnufan>at some point in the recent past (v10 of the player?) Adobe Flash plugin stopped sharing sound devices nicely with everything else (possibly with the lenny kernel that requires me to have an alsaconf because of the PC speaker driver). I've fiddled and fiddled, learnt a lot about Audio in Linux, but still Flash defeats me. Do I have to use Pulseaudio to get flash to share nicely in lenny, or is there something else going on here?
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15:54<meshuggah>anyone here wants to give me some rambus memory stick(like 512mb) ? :)) 256 isnt enough
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15:54<louiscvh>somebody know about cpanel ?
15:54<Frans>hi, what would be the best way to install debian on a beagleboard (arm) I can get to u-boot but I cannot boot from usb cdrom afaik (and I only have usb or an SD card to boot from)
15:55<meshuggah>dr|z3d, while installing emerald, it broke some compiz p-ackage
15:55<dr|z3d>meshuggah: On 256M you'd want to run Xfce or another lightweight environment, if you're running Gnome/KDE.
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15:56<meshuggah>dr|z3d, yes, it is what i was running with ubuntu, but with debian it was a little lighter and ok, i tried xfce but i should configure it the way i want, and i dont know a lot about linux :)
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15:57<meshuggah>dr|z3d, i am running it since maybe 1 month, 1 week of ubuntu, 3 weeks of debian(i erased winshit xp after the week of ubuntu)
15:57<meshuggah>dr|z3d, but i will need to use xfce if i want to run 100% of the time compiz :)) it is sure
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15:57<padski>Frans, google says:
15:58<Frans>padski: thanks, just found that too
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15:59<Frans>padski: actually found it before but then thought it required qemu, but now saw there are also instructions for non qemu
15:59<Frans>thanks alot
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15:59<padski>Frans, you are welcome. enjoy!
15:59<meshuggah>dr|z3d, btw, i can reinstall compiz, cause emerald doesnt want gtk, so no gnome-compiz nor compiz, i cant install emerald ...anyway i cant with my knowledge
16:00<gnu_fan>gnufan: maybe it's bug in adobe's flash
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16:02<gnufan>gnu_fan: Maybe - but I doubt I'm the only one here with Iceweasel, Gnome, ALSA, and Flash 10 -- am I the only one whose Flash doesn't share sound nicely?
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16:03<meshuggah>gnufan i ve what you say, flash is ok, but i dont understand what you are saying about sharing sound
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16:05<gnufan>meshuggah: whenever I visit a page in Firefox which has flash sound, then Firefox grabs /dev/snd/pcmC1D0p and keeps it till it is shutdown. Any sound app using ALSA then fails. Alternatively any sound app running (rhythmbox for example) will share nicely with other apps, but if it is running before firefox tried to do flash sound results in silent flash.
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16:06<meshuggah>gnufan, ok, it is working nicely here, but i really sdont know how to resolve your problem , i am sorry
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16:08<gnufan>meshuggah: Are you using ESD (see sound preferences in the GNOME System > Preferences - sound tab.
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16:09<meshuggah>is disabled
16:09<meshuggah>do tyou want me to try it enabled?
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16:12<gnufan>meshuggah: nah - I think there is something else wrong - I just found system sounds no longer mix with rhythmbox....
16:12<meshuggah>gnufan, ok
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16:24<meshuggah>any window decorator for compiz, except emerald?
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16:27<amphi>meshuggah: gtk and kde decorators
16:28<knowledge_>how can i install firefox 3 on debian...?
16:29<Torsten_W>apt-get install iceweasel
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16:29<meshuggah>iceweasel is firefox rebranded
16:29<knowledge_>iceweasel no
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16:29<meshuggah>i dodnt know why
16:29<amphi>!tell meshuggah -about why iceweasel
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16:30<meshuggah>ok, it it stupid
16:30<knowledge_>when you download firefox 3 on site it's run another webbrowser
16:30<meshuggah>amphi, what is the name of gtk decorator? gtk-decorator?
16:31<helpnad>how can i install doomrl on debian?
16:31<amphi>meshuggah: gtk-window-decorator
16:31<meshuggah>hello helpnad
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16:32<meshuggah>amphi, lol, i cant find it in synaptic
16:32<meshuggah>helpnad, what is doomrl?
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16:32<meshuggah>helpnad, to run doom ?
16:33<amphi>meshuggah: it's provided by compiz-gtk, it seems
16:33<amphi>!tell meshuggah -about search
16:33<knowledge_>with wine, no...?
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16:33<meshuggah>amphi, lol ok :)
16:33<helpnad>doom rl! only in terminal i can play this game
16:34<amphi>meshuggah: apt-file is very useful
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16:34<amphi>meshuggah: you can search for files in packages that are not installed
16:34<meshuggah>helpnad, you need to download a shareware of doom and use the .wad file,(or download warez of it) first
16:34<meshuggah>amphi, ok thank for the information :)
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16:35<amphi>meshuggah: I don't know about synaptic - aptitude is the recommended tool as far as I know
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16:37<meshuggah>amphi, it is faster yes and funnier, but winshit xp made me lazy with command line, i erased it from this computer and trying to get used again with command line(I was from msdos 3.0 to winshit xp)
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16:37<amphi>aptitude has a menu driven interface too, albeit text (ncurses)
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16:38<meshuggah>amphi, yes aptitude, i used it a little while lenny upgrading screwed my computer :)
16:39<meshuggah>amphi, what is the meaning of ncurses? :)
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16:39<amphi>meshuggah: ncurses is a library for drawing text mode windows, boxes, menus, etc
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16:39<meshuggah>amphi, i already have compiz-gtk, and already searched for window decorator(search in synaptic) do you have others ideas?>
16:40<meshuggah>ok like ansi?
16:40<meshuggah>a little like
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16:40<amphi>meshuggah: /usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator doesn't exist?
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16:41<meshuggah>amphi, but even if compizfusion-icon show it and enable it, it dont show me the minimze, closing and blue upside of window
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16:42<amphi>meshuggah: you use gnome?
16:42<helpnad>i have downloaded the game from the site and then i wrote in terminal cd and then i drug and drop the folder of the game. i don't know what to next :(
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16:43<amphi>meshuggah: if so, see what happens if you run 'gtk-window-decorator --replace' in a term
16:44<meshuggah>helpnad, copy the .WAD files in the doomrl directory
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16:45<meshuggah>amphi, nothing except a little black box flashing, it is talled
16:45<amphi>it's running then
16:45<amphi>is compiz running? ;)
16:46<amphi>what does 'ps aux | grep compiz' say?
16:46<meshuggah>1000 4940 3.4 9.0 29440 23196 ? SL 16:37 0:08 compiz.real --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp
16:46<meshuggah>root 4944 0.0 0.3 3144 780 pts/3 S+ 16:42 0:00 grep compiz
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16:47<amphi>meshuggah: you run gnome, kde, what?
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16:49<amphi>ask in #compiz-fusion on freenode about that - there's some line you need in your xorg.conf, I think
16:49<amphi>!blame nvidia
16:49*dpkg blames gnuk and nvidia for all the evil in the world
16:49<amphi>emerald gave you no decos either, eh?
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16:50<mib_ny81he>hello there
16:50<mib_ny81he>just 1 question
16:50<meshuggah>emerald isnt done in a package for standard rep, when i tried one that i ve found in google, it screwed compiz, and i needed to erase everything about compiz
16:51<meshuggah>in lenny
16:51<mib_ny81he>when will iceweasel be updated?
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16:54<meshuggah>i dunno
16:55<mib_ny81he>no developer in the room?
16:55<mib_ny81he>firefox was i supose iceweasel would be to
16:56<amphi>meshuggah: if you want emerald, you should d/l the source of the appropriate version, and build it yourself, IMHO
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16:56<amphi>I don't know why it's not packaged
16:56<dondelelcaro>mib_ny81he: sometime after a new upstream release it will be updated
16:56<mib_ny81he>how much time usualy till update?
16:57<dondelelcaro>depends on how much has changed and what the maintainers of iceweasel are doing
16:57<dondelelcaro>since 3.0.7 only released on the 4th, asking for it now is kind of premature
16:57<dondelelcaro>that said, if you want to see it sooner, I'm sure that the iceweasel maintainers would welcome help
16:58<dondelelcaro>you could start by going through and triaging their bugs
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16:58<mib_ny81he>ok...then it will be included in system updates in the future right?
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16:58<dondelelcaro>it will be uploaded to unstable, and will likely migrate to testing
16:58<dondelelcaro>it won't ever be updated in stable
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17:00<mib_ny81he>and what about graphical grub?
17:00<maxb>Is there a more specific channel where it is appropriate to ask about wanna-build/buildd ?
17:00<dondelelcaro>mib_ny81he: what's your question?
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17:01<mib_ny81he>is there one graphical grub/startup/boot?
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17:02<dondelelcaro>mib_ny81he: grub-splashimages or grub2-splashimages
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17:02<mib_ny81he>err....maybe the first
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17:04<mib_ny81he>in the start of the grub menu and post grub menu
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17:06<dondelelcaro>if you want something after the grub menu, that's splashy
17:06<mib_ny81he>is that a package?
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17:07<mib_ny81he>sorry for the ignorance
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17:07<mib_ny81he>costum startup splash?
17:08<maxb>dondelelcaro: I'm trying to set up a buildd for a private archive, and I'm rather puzzled where I should actually be getting the buildd software from - there appear to be multiple forked versions on various sites, none of which appear to particularly alive
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17:09<dondelelcaro>maxb: sbuild is the software that's actually running on Debian buildds
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17:09<maxb>sbuild is one piece of the puzzle, yes, and that's actually in the archive, which is good
17:10<maxb>There is also a wanna-build package built out of the sbuild source
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17:10<dondelelcaro>yerp, that's part of it too
17:10<maxb>However, the actual buildd daemon itself doesn't appear in any obvious place
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17:11<maxb>There's a git repo at git://, but it hasn't been touched in a year
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17:12<maxb>There's a svn repo at, but that doesn't look maintained either
17:12<dondelelcaro>yeah, I'm actually not sure which version Debian's buildd's are running
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17:13<dondelelcaro>I think the git repository is the most recent one, and is probably what Debian's buildd's are actually running
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17:14<helpnad>i did it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) thanks mate!
17:14<christoph> /away
17:14<maxb>Hm... seems odd that it's managed to not require any change at all since 2008-01-06
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17:22<CuteAlien>Hello. I installed Lenny today. Got already a lot stuff running, but so far I fail getting hardware acceleration for my nvidia card. I tried already and . Do you have any hints for me?
17:23<Tekno>just get them from and run with sh in text mode
17:23<Tekno>cant be easier
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17:23<CuteAlien>ok, thanks, I will try that
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17:26<CuteAlien>hm, wait - that's just the file I tried already. It complains about wrong gcc and when I cc to 4.1 it also does not compile
17:26<CuteAlien>Tekno, just to be sure - you did this yourself and it worked?
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17:28<CuteAlien>did you compile the kernel for it or did you download one from nvidia when it asks that?
17:29<Tekno>I choosed no when it asked it
17:29<Tekno>so it compiled..
17:29<Tekno>against my kernel sources
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17:31<CuteAlien>ok - that's where it complained about needing gcc-4.1 So I set that with cc and then it started compiling but failed with that log:
17:32<meshuggah>anyone can help me to make my TV-OUT working in debian lenny with geforce4 ?
17:32<CuteAlien>wait a sec... my fault - that's not the same version :-(
17:32<CuteAlien>*sigh* see you later :-)
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17:41<CuteAlien><--- now with hardware accelerated 3d :-)
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17:55<nsa_fiend>anyone ever heard of the utility 'base64'?
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17:56<mj>but you're on the nsa's side :O
17:56<nsa_fiend>can it do images for favicons?
17:56<nsa_fiend>:/ right
17:56<nsa_fiend>and ur high
17:57<nsa_fiend>and not making any sense
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17:57<mj>how does 'yes' not make sense?
17:58<nsa_fiend>mj> but you're on the nsa's side :O
17:58<nsa_fiend>^^^does not make any sense
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17:58<mj>depends if i have the superpower of halucinating 'r's between 'f's and 'i's
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17:59<mj>it's a very limited superpower, but it's useful sometimes
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17:59<nsa_fiend>...and retarded
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18:00<mj>now /that/ doesn't make sense...
18:01<nsa_fiend>why not? you don't have a super power to make you understand that?
18:01<mj>a superpower to understand the nonsensical?
18:02<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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18:06<mj>would that really be a superpower, or a mental handicap?
18:06<nsa_fiend>why dont you and your superpower discuss it with your alter-ego and get back to me.
18:06<goodger>let's start again
18:06<mj>yeah, where were we, base64?
18:06<goodger>with the assumption that mj is not currently host to cannabinoids and that nsa_fiend is not an agent of the US government intelligence services
18:06<nsa_fiend>oh no you dont
18:06<mj>it really only does the encoding and decoding, you'll need to add the header
18:06<nsa_fiend><nsa_fiend> and ur high
18:06<nsa_fiend><mj> yes...
18:06<nsa_fiend>wrong on the first cound
18:06<nsa_fiend>start again
18:06<mj>i didn't say on what xD
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18:06<nsa_fiend>actually i was under the 2 line limit, but if you say so
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18:09<scass>ciao a tutti
18:09<dpkg>one warez list being sent to scass
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18:10<dpkg>hmm... warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. or
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18:10<nsa_fiend>!dpkg time
18:10<dpkg>i heard time is found on, or 2009.03.07 23:10:40, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see
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18:11<abrotman>nsa_fiend: leave the bot alone
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18:13<scass>ciao a tutti
18:15<meshuggah>someone can help me configuring my geforce4 video card to use the TV-OUT (in lenny) ?
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18:18<avtobiff>meshuggah, can you use xrandr --output VGA --mode 800x600 ?
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18:18<avtobiff>meshuggah, nice name btw. i love that band
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18:20<meshuggah>lol thank you:)
18:20<avtobiff>meshuggah, did xrandr work?
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18:22<avtobiff>meshuggah, then try google debian nvidia tv out
18:22<avtobiff>this seems good:
18:22<meshuggah>ok thank i will try it
18:22<avtobiff>i.e. meshuggah have you tried nvtv?
18:22<meshuggah>maybe 2 weeks ago
18:22<meshuggah>without resulf
18:22<avtobiff>did it work?
18:22<CuteAlien>strange, Java still insist on using the onboard soundchip - which is even disabled in the bios - instead of the soundcard. The rest of the system uses the soundcard. I remember I had that before... long time ago...
18:24<avtobiff>meshuggah, have you installed nvidia-glx?
18:25<avtobiff>meshuggah, check out appendix j "configuring tv-out" in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README
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18:27<meshuggah>i cant find it
18:28<meshuggah>i installed nvidia-glx-legacy
18:31<avtobiff>meshuggah, are you using etch?
18:31<avtobiff>which package did you install? nvidia-legacy-xxxx
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18:31<meshuggah>96xx ihave a geforce4mx something 64mb
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18:32<avtobiff>meshuggah, try /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx-lecacy-96xx then
18:33<avtobiff>meshuggah, check the README files there for tv-out configuration
18:33<meshuggah>the readme there do about 2 pages
18:33<meshuggah>ok i found it
18:33<meshuggah>it was compressed
18:34<avtobiff>yeah, use zless
18:35<avtobiff>meshuggah, or cat file.gz | gunzip | vim - :)
18:35<meshuggah>i did gzip -d
18:36<avtobiff>meshuggah, you didn't have to do that. with zless you can read the file directly
18:37<meshuggah>ok goot to know
18:37<meshuggah>i am a newbie
18:37<meshuggah>using debian since 1 month, linux since 1 month 1 week
18:37<avtobiff>cool, what did you use before debian (the first week)? :)
18:37<avtobiff>that is not gnu/linux
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18:38<avtobiff>ok cool
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18:38<avtobiff>how come you switched to debian?
18:39<meshuggah>it was a little too heavyweight for my computer, and when dualbooting with debian , debian screwed my ubuntu partition, and i didnt wanted to reinstall it, so i full install debian on my computer
18:39<meshuggah>sorry for my poor english
18:39<mj>it's okay :)
18:40<max>where r u from meshuggah ?
18:40<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
18:40<meshuggah>now i want to watch some movie on my tv, without having to burn them on dvd with usb1.1(it take more than 2 hr for a dvd)
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18:40<meshuggah>i am from quebec
18:41<max>i'm french :)
18:41<avtobiff>meshuggah, did you find the correct section in the README?
18:42<meshuggah>avtobiff, yes but it is too hard for my brain right now lol
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18:42<meshuggah>max, you come from france?
18:42<avtobiff>meshuggah, even if it takes 1h45min it is worth it, no? ;)
18:43<max>yeah, but I'm currently in Berlin
18:43<meshuggah>avtobiff, lol, maybe, i think i will try to make nvtv works :)) i am sure i am misconfiguring it
18:43<meshuggah>max, go outside and shout sieg heil
18:44*mj drinks AbsintheSyringe
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18:44<meshuggah>he tries to shoot himself absinthe...
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18:44<meshuggah>lol, better to drink it
18:44<max>is that some nazi joke or what ?
18:44<meshuggah>max, yes it is some lame joke
18:44<AbsintheSyringe>mj, cheers :)
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18:45<meshuggah>max, it means : (french)le salut de la victoire
18:45<mj>that was close enough to lisp to excite me
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18:45<max>right, sorry I can't really laugh of that, leaving here, and having a few german friends :p
18:46<max>sprichst du deutsch oder ?
18:46<mj>sprechen sie :D
18:47<pwork>Hi, Quake3 is now available on Nokia N95 128 MB RAM, and I'm attempting to make it work an the 64 MB version. I just finished a picture/sounds compression script to and try to zip-back *.pk3 Quake files. Zip files must not contains absolute file paths and some file names are the same, but in different directories : zip -rf pak0.dir/* pak0.pk3 fails with : cannot repeat names in zip file
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18:47<pwork>How can I sort it out ?
18:48<mj>iirc there's a switch for preserving directory structure
18:48<mj>it's probably flattening it, and counting a file in a subdir as the same
18:48<max>nein mj, ich sprachte mit meshuggah ;)
18:49<pwork>I believe 'zip -rj' deletes directories and stores it as '<zip_root>/file1, <zip_root>/file2, and so on'
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18:49<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
18:50<pwork>mj : Ok, I look for the switch, but just found '-j' to remove directory structure and '-jj' to keep the full path (including drive) for MacOS
18:50<meshuggah>max, i only know some words, i dont speak it sorry
18:50<mj>zip is icky, btw :p
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18:50<pwork>If I don't use '-j', it stores '/home/username/temp/baseq3/and_so_on'
18:51<mj>gonna open them zipped?
18:51<max>that's cool, dpkg doesn't seem to like german anyway
18:51*mj bets a compressed fs like squashfs would work well
18:51<pwork>I just need 'and_so_on/foo/file1'
18:51<meshuggah>max, avtobiff doesnt like it, not dpkg, lol :)
18:51<AbsintheSyringe>pwork, want quake live invitation?
18:51<meshuggah>max, maybe he prefer french :P
18:51<jimmyf>Hey, i'm new to linux and just install debian but i can't select a resolution higher than 800x600, does anyone know how to fix this?
18:52<avtobiff>pwork, are you building the zip-file yourself? can't the n95 understand tar.gz?
18:52<pwork>AbsintheSyringe : I already registered there ;)
18:52<max>meshuggah, ha ok i understand, sorry I'm new on irc
18:52<avtobiff>meshuggah, he?
18:52<meshuggah>avtobiff, he was saying that dpkg doesnt like german, but it is you who said to dpkg to warn him
18:53<meshuggah>max, dpkg is a bot
18:53<pwork>avtobiff : Quake N95 portage meets the same requirements as the original game ;), that's zip files, with the pk3 extension, and with no full-paths stored in it, on relative ones, so I seek how 'zip' can store relative-paths
18:53<max>yeah I know that much, thanks ;)
18:53<meshuggah>max, you can talk to him using !
18:53<max>meshuggah, ok
18:54<pwork>avtobiff : Quake SymbianOS v3 portage so far
18:54<meshuggah>max, dpkg is funny
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18:54<max>meshuggah, how can we make him tell jokes ?
18:55<pwork>(mistake : only relative-paths)
18:55<avtobiff>pwork, paths in zip are always relative
18:55<pwork>dpkg -fortune
18:55<dpkg>pwork: wish i knew
18:55<max>dpkg -fortune
18:55<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, max
18:55<pwork>avtobiff : Ok, I'll make a try with the generic 'zip -r' so ;)
18:56<meshuggah>max, message him some message (without !, ! is only when in channel)
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18:56<meshuggah>he doenst know this one
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18:56<avtobiff>try /msg dpkg if you want to play with the bot
18:56<meshuggah>and we should speak with him in msg
18:56<meshuggah>cause people doesnt like it
18:56<max>thanks avtobiff
18:57<max>dpkg fortune
18:57<dpkg>from memory, fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement
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18:57<max>dpkg weed
18:57<dpkg>max: I give up, what is it?
18:57<meshuggah>do /msg dpkg evil
18:58<pwork>I try to spare some RAM by down-sizing jpg and tga files, and removing waves, but I don't know if it'll be enough to fit in 50 MB instead of 64MB minimum.
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18:58<pwork>find . -name '*.jpg' -print |xargs -n1 sh -c 'convert $0 -resize 320x240\> $0' --> downsizing jpegs
18:58<max>meshuggahh ok thanks, he answers with private msg
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19:00<avtobiff>pwork, you could do find find . -iname '*.jpg' -exec convert -resize 320x240 {} {} \;
19:00<themill>pwork: you probably want mogrify rather than convert
19:00<avtobiff>pwork, -find
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19:01<pwork>themill : The problem with mogrify is that it downsizes some images, but also upsizes smaller ones, what I don't want
19:02<pwork>'>' in '320x240\>' grants it
19:02<themill>that convert command won't work at all though. mogrify takes the same arguments as convert
19:03<pwork>themill : this convert command works : I'm checking the script step by step, and it gave expected results ;) Anyway, I'll give the '>' switch a try with mogrify
19:03<themill>You also really should use "find ... -print0 | xargs -0 ..." so that you don't have trouble with spaces in fileanmes.
19:03<pwork>themill : ok
19:04<themill>!using find
19:04<dpkg>hmm... using find is
19:06<themill>pwork: you also should look at the -I option to xargs and then not use sh. Or just use find ... -exec as avtobiff suggested.
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19:10<pwork>themill: ok (I'm really poorly knowledged in linux shell commands)
19:11<themill>pwork: :) the UsingFind page that dpkg mentioned is quite good.
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19:16<pwork>Quake3 video files are *.RoQ files :) Maybe more RAM to save here
19:17<pwork>themill : Is mogrify better than convert in some points ?
19:18<themill>pwork: mogrify and convert are identical except that mogrify is designed to change the file whereas convert is designed to create a new file. Using convert with the same filename for both input file and output file can lead to problems.
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19:19<pwork>themill : Ok, I shift to mogrify so. The best would be that only size is changed, and that image metadatas remain unchanged.
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19:19<themill>pwork: as ever for these sorts of things, test on a copy of a small data set ... then later try it on real data
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19:21<meshuggah>lol, i ordered a free opensolaris CD from SUN, and they send me it free, and more, they give $1 to World Food Program or Medecins sans frontieres as a token of appreciation.....i am not sure microshit would do something like that
19:22<meshuggah>(yes i even dont know half how to make my computer running linux and i want to install other OS)
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19:25<pwork>themill : mogrify did well with the '>' switch ;)
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19:27<mj>solaris is nice
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19:28<themill>pwork: glad to hear that. It should behave identically, except for not needing the output filename.
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19:30<wdicarlo>does anybody know of a problem with the kqemu module?
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19:35<pwork>pak0.pk3 : 480 MB to 224 MB :) Let's see if it runs
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19:36*mj crosses his fingers
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19:38<mj>evenin :)
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19:38<pwork>mj : Bye, thanks :)
19:39<jimmyf>Hey, i'm new to linux and just install debian but i can't select a resolution higher than 800x600, does anyone know how to fix this?
19:39<meshuggah>jimmyf, install your videcoard
19:39<meshuggah>jimmyf, i mean videocard
19:41<mj>jimmyf, depends where the problem lies - it's probably your /etc/*/xorg.conf
19:41<mj>that needs extra information
19:41<mj>but how you do that depends how dirty you like to get your hands
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19:42<jimmyf>ya i tried editing the xorg a little bit by adding a display with a few different resolutions
19:42<jimmyf>but then it failed when i restarted
19:42<abrotman>jimmyf: which video card?
19:43<jimmyf>i have a geforce2
19:43<abrotman>the nv driver should at least give you decent 2d .. did you try xrandr ?
19:43<mj>i'm not actually sure why i'm here, as i've never used debian
19:44<mj>i think my client likes the channel
19:44<abrotman>because you're using xubuntu ?
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19:44<mj>but even that is a lie....
19:45<mj>oh, the twisted little lives we lead
19:45<jimmyf>what is xrandr?
19:45<dpkg>[xrandr] a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection;
19:45<mj>it deals with resizing and rotating X
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19:46<mj>at runtime \o/
19:46<mj>before it, you could only change resolutions by restarting X :'(
19:46<abrotman>that's not true at all
19:46<mj>lol, and with some naaaarsty control alt plus/minus
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19:47<mj>abrotman, ; can it be accepted as true if i do a s/you/i on it? :p
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19:47<mj>i was talking in the curious first-third tense
19:47<mj>i mean, you were
19:47<abrotman>less enter key please
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19:47<mj>this place has silly rules
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19:57<jimmyf>well i tried to install some drivers and now its failing to start the xserver
19:58<abrotman>install some drivers?
19:58<jimmyf>nvidia drivers
19:59<goodger>jimmyf: please pastebin your xorg.conf and explain precisely how you installed said drivers
19:59<meshuggah>it happened to me a few time when trying to upgrade to lenny, and when installing a new videocard
19:59<meshuggah>my xorg.conf was nearly empty
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20:00<jimmyf>well i'm not actually on the linux pc right now so i can't really paste it
20:00<jimmyf>i tried replacing it with one of the backups and that didn't work
20:00<goodger>ah :S
20:00<abrotman>meshuggah: that's how it should be
20:01<jimmyf>but anyways, the xorg.conf i replaced it with basically just says Configured Mouse, Configured Video Device, Configured Monitor, etc
20:02<jimmyf>under the Device section there is an Option "UseFBDev" "true"
20:02<jimmyf>i don't know what that is
20:02<jimmyf>from most of my research i think my resolution problems were linked to the fact that my monitor isn't being recognized properly
20:03<jimmyf>its a 44" panasonic 720p lcd tv
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20:04<goodger>the monitor is largely irrelevant if the correct sync/refresh rates are being fed to it
20:04<goodger>if it's running on *snaps fingers*
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20:05<goodger>...DVI, then it won't need any of that data
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20:09<jimmyf>well i got my gui back up, that option device thing was screwing it up
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20:10<jimmyf>so how do i use this xrandr thing
20:10<abrotman>man xrandr
20:10<jimmyf>i typed it and it says min.... max 800 x 600
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20:13<stuart>What's a good search thingy for Debian? Beagle or...?
20:13<jimmyf>when i type xrandr -fb 1024x768 it says it can't be larger than 800x600
20:13<goodger>beagle is quite good...
20:13<immatRrecord>hi all
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20:15<abrotman>jimmyf: if you run just xrandr . it will show allowed resolutions
20:15<immatRrecord>every one can test the link : and
20:15<FloridaGuy>reinstalled debian 5 with gnome..gnome has no window menu icons...any idea's on whats missing
20:15<immatRrecord>i want now if link is valid :)
20:16<jimmyf>ya, it says my max is 800x600
20:16<jimmyf>i want 1024x768
20:17<immatRrecord>edit your Xorg
20:17<pwork>ml: It didn't work ;) I go for a Q3 compile on linux, beeing able to activate debug mode when running the game :)
20:17<abrotman>FloridaGuy: how did you install gnome ?
20:17<immatRrecord>nobody for test my links ?
20:17<abrotman>test them yourself
20:18<immatRrecord>but on my host link is valid
20:18<immatRrecord>i now that
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20:18<jimmyf>what should i edit my xorg too?
20:18<FloridaGuy>the base install cd with desktop envierment..with it auto installed everything
20:18<jimmyf>i tried editing it once and it didn't turn out too well..
20:18<immatRrecord>in your xorg, section device
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20:18<immatRrecord>in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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20:20<abrotman>FloridaGuy: make sure metacity is installed
20:20<immatRrecord>so abrotman, i want test links because the web server is on my localhost...
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20:21<jimmyf>my device section just says Identifier "Configured Video Device"
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20:22<FloridaGuy>abrotman, it was installed so i checked reinstall....going to logout and back in and see what happens
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20:23<mivok>Hello.Does anybody know if Lenny has wvdial by default?
20:23<amphi>mivok: installed by default? I would say not
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20:24<mivok>Than you amphi
20:24<abrotman>pppconfig maybe
20:24<FloridaGuy>abrotman, reinstalling metacity fixed it
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20:28<jimmyf>Everything i've read about installing nvidia drivers says something about Xfree86 - which i don't have
20:28<jimmyf>do i need to get xfree86 somehow?
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20:30<goodger>jimmyf: no, xfree86 is long, long since obsoleted
20:30<goodger>jimmyf: you need to install nvidia drivers from the debian repositories...
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20:30<jimmyf>i believe i tried that and it broke it
20:31<penpen>xfree86 was the old name of the xorg project, more or less
20:31<jimmyf>i'm thinking i might have gotten the wrong ones, since i'm using geforce2 i think i need some legacy 7.xx thing or something
20:31<jimmyf>which i haven't seen in the repository
20:31<penpen>jimmyf: nvidia-kernel-legacy
20:32<FloridaGuy>nvidia 173 does not suport gforce2
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20:32<abrotman>legacy ...
20:33<jimmyf>apt-get nvidia-kernel-legacy doesn't work
20:34<goodger>try aptitude install nvidia-kernel-legacy
20:34<penpen>which kernel do you have
20:35<abrotman>does he have contrib or non-free sources?
20:35<penpen>"apt-cache search nvidia legacy" will show you the list of packages
20:35<penpen>and yeah, likely nonfree since they're binary packages
20:35<penpen>unless he wants to build it using m-a
20:35<penpen>but thats probably still in nonfree :p
20:36<FloridaGuy>ok now boot into my new nvidia
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21:00<meshuggah>pete pis repete s'en vont dans un bateau.
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21:02<meshuggah>pete tombe a l'eau.
21:02<meshuggah>qui qui reste?
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21:03<meshuggah>repete dammit!
21:04<meshuggah>!fr meshuggah
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21:06<meshuggah>!tell meshuggah stfu
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21:10<datapolitical>i'm attempting to update from 2.4 to 5, and having trouble installing the 2.6 kernel to begin the process
21:11<datapolitical>should I just reinstall debian?
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21:12<Woet>my server is sending a lot of data (100 mbit) to 1 specific IP
21:12<Woet>how am I able to find out which process is the cause of this?
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21:13<Pitxyoki>netstat -ptuna
21:14<Woet>nothing shows up there
21:14<Woet>it does show up in tcpdump though
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21:16<abrotman>streuner: .. table of contents are hard!
21:16<Pitxyoki>Woet, you can try installing nethogs to see which programs are consuming what bandwidth.
21:16<Woet>let me try
21:18<Woet>Pitxyoki: only 1 process, 'root' and 'unknown'
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21:18<Pitxyoki>That's kind of suspicious.
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21:18<datapolitical>dumb question, if I reinstall debian will I lose all the other files on the machine?
21:19<datapolitical>or will it just overwrite the system files
21:19<Pitxyoki>datapolitical, it depends.
21:19<abrotman>datapolitical: depends how the system is partitioned
21:19<Woet>Pitxyoki: it shows up at tcpdump -n, as outgoing packets
21:19<Pitxyoki>You can tell it not to format the partitions.
21:19<Woet>length of 9216
21:19<abrotman>datapolitical: why woudl you reinstall ?
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21:19<Pitxyoki>What does wireshark say?
21:19<datapolitical>because I'm updating from 2.4
21:19<datapolitical>to 5
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21:20<datapolitical>I need to update the kernel first
21:20<datapolitical>in order to do that
21:20<datapolitical>and I'm getting dependency errors when i try
21:20<abrotman>such as ?
21:21<Woet>Pitxyoki: so, it's impossible?
21:21<Pitxyoki>I don't know.
21:21<Pitxyoki>Have you seen that with wireshark?
21:21<Woet>i'll install it
21:22<datapolitical>running apt-get -f install tells me to update the kernel :)
21:23<abrotman>oh jeez .. you should have upgraded your kernel in etch before going to lenny
21:23<Woet>Pitxyoki: I don't have a desktop system
21:23<datapolitical>how do I do that?
21:23<Woet>Pitxyoki: '(wireshark:15122): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:'
21:24<Pitxyoki>Sorry about that.
21:24<Pitxyoki>Then I don't know how else could you check that.
21:24<Woet>.. cool
21:24<Pitxyoki>You could save a tcpdump output file and open it with wireshark on some other computer.
21:24<Woet>and then it'll magically get the process out of it?
21:24<datapolitical>i'm not running lenny yet
21:24<Pitxyoki>I think it's done with tcpdump -w somefile
21:24<Woet>I doubt it.
21:25<Pitxyoki>And then you open somefile on wireshark to analyze the traffic.
21:25<abrotman>datapolitical: you can try changing your sources back to etch .. and installing linux-image-2.6-686
21:25<Woet>yes, and it won't tell me the process, which is what I'm trying to get
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21:27<fenix_>tem algum brasileiro aqui?
21:27<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:27<Pitxyoki>Woet, you could guess it by seeing what kind of traffic is that.
21:27<abrotman>datapolitical: keep it in the channel
21:27<xfm>Hello, I have problems importing a *eps graph in lyx
21:27<datapolitical>what's the command line for changing my sources to etch
21:27<fenix_>como faço para entrar no canal brasileiro...
21:27<datapolitical>basically editing /etc/apt/sources.list?
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21:28<fenix_>estou procurando o Piter Punter do Slackware...
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21:28<fenix_>Piter Punk foi mal...
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21:29<Pitxyoki>fenix_, clica duas vezes em cima de: #debian-br
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21:31<abrotman>datapolitical: the reverse of what you did to change them to lenny?
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21:33<datapolitical>abrotman I ran the update, didn't realize what happened
21:34<datapolitical>how do I specify in sources.list etch rather than lenny
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21:35<abrotman>everywhere it says lenny make it say etch
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21:36<datapolitical>it says testing
21:36<datapolitical>i'm assuming change that
21:37<datapolitical>to etch
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21:41<steveo>can anyone help me out with getting wvm formats working on my ubuntu 8.10?
21:41<abrotman>steveo: #ubuntu on
21:41<steveo>i read and followed everything in relation to it and still no go
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21:41<steveo>ok thanx
21:43<datapolitical>should i activate the Force-Loopbreak option?
21:43<datapolitical>to let it install e2fsprogs
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21:52<datapolitical>well, that hosed my system
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22:06<rocko>debian MOSH pit
22:06<rocko>Debian RULES
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22:07<rocko>hello lenny where is etch and sid your buddies ?
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22:11<dpkg>somebody said qotd149 was <goccia> anyway : what it is most important to me is getting three times in a row a y/n question doing the libc6 install-dance and watching a stopping starting done daemon sequence ending in perfection: whoever has done this, i mean a three questions in a row, well is a great person
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22:12<kop>What's the right thing to use if you want cron a sub-minute intervals. I'm collecting network statistics. I'm thinking of writing a python script to run things a sub-minute intervals and invoke it every minute from cron. But surely somebody has already solved this problem.
22:13<abrotman>kop: you can't
22:13<kop>abrotman : I can't use cron. But I can do something.
22:14<abrotman>yeah .. that's not it
22:14<abrotman>write a script that does it .. sleeps for foo# seconds .. does it again .. big long loop
22:15<kop>abrotman : Right. Set an alarm and wake up every so often. But, somebody must have one already....
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22:15<abrotman>while (1); do thing ; sleep 15 ; end while
22:16<abrotman>in a bash script one would think
22:16<kop>abrotman : That will slip the-time-it-takes-to-do-thing, every 15 seconds, gradually moving away from the 15,30,45... second mark. That's why an alarm is better.
22:17<abrotman>well .. how often do you want it ?
22:17<kop>abrotman : I don't know yet. Somewhere between .1 and 10 seconds.
22:17<abrotman>you could just try to modulus the time .. and run on that
22:18<kop>abrotman : Yeah. But sleep won't cut it for sub-second intervals.
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22:19<kop>abrotman : Hence, python.
22:19<abrotman>if you need subsecond .. just don't let it sleep ?
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22:41<Txt-file1>has someone tested CUDA? Will it work and are there some programms wich can use the card?
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22:43<zzt32>When I get new messages in Pidgin, its task list icon doesn't blink :S Any idea what's up? Running Lenny.
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22:45<abrotman>zzt32: i believe you have to configure it to do so
22:45<jrodger>Does anyone know much about the LPI certification?
22:46<zzt32>abrotman, hrm.
22:46<abrotman>zzt32: Plugins -> Message NOtification .. Configure it
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22:47<datapolitical_>abrotman, so my debian install won't boot now. I'm reinstalling. Have I lost whatever files I had on there, or will the install just overwrite the config files?
22:48<abrotman>datapolitical_: use a liveCD to boot and mount and rescue your files ..
22:48<abrotman>i have no idea what your partition scheme is so i can't tell you if you will overwrite them or not
22:48<datapolitical_>when you say liveCD
22:49<datapolitical_>got it
22:49<abrotman>if you have a separate /home/ you can choose to not format it ..
22:49<zzt32>abrotman, took a close look at the standard config & that plugin config - doesn't seem to be in there. :(
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22:50<abrotman>zzt32: hrm .. wonder where mine came from
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22:51<zzt32>I wonder if I've improperly configured GNOME some how... I'll add a new user and try pidgin there.
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22:53<datapolitical_>I don't have much on there (not that I exactly remember, I set it up mostly just to have the server there to connect to from college)
22:53<zzt32>abrotman, same issue.
22:53<datapolitical_>so I get the live CD
22:53<datapolitical_>boot from that
22:53<datapolitical_>(the rescue CD)
22:54<abrotman>zzt32: AFAICT .. that's how mine is setup for ontifications, through that plugin
22:54<zzt32>I see...
22:54<zzt32>one moment
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22:56<kop>datapolitical_ : You can use the debian install cd as a rescue cd. You may find other live cds more featureful.
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22:59<datapolitical_>the netinstall?
23:00<kop>datapolitical_ : yes
23:00<kop>datapolitical_ : Press the function keys at boot for help.
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23:01<datapolitical_>and i'll be able to mount the drive
23:01<datapolitical_>see which files are where
23:01<datapolitical_>and then do the install
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23:02<tazzy>super noob here with partition/drive permission/format issues looking some help
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23:03<kop>!tell tazzy -about ask
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23:04<tazzy>i can't seem to find a way to access partitions or drives other than lenny drive. I keep getting permission errors
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23:07<kop>tell tazzy -about grounding
23:07<tazzy>i've tried editing fstab - no results, tried chmod in root term - no results
23:07<kop>!tell tazzy -about grounding
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23:08<kop>tazzy : You probably need to put your user in the right group (assuming your trying to access ntfs partitions). You'll find the answer on the debian wiki or in the reference manual.
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23:12<tazzy>i'm not trying to access ntfs at this point, just a ext2 partition with unknown owner, have been digging thru refs, mans, guides for a week and am lost, windows has spoiled me, too many years since i used good ol' DOS
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23:14<tazzy>can't change ownership of partition because I can't change permissions
23:16<tazzy>i have 320 gig of space i'd love to be able to access but can't
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23:19<penpen>tazzy: try mounting the drive as root somewhere, chown -hR user:user that folder
23:20<tazzy>i'll try that
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23:23<datapolitical_>well, for some reason the thing won't boot from a disk image
23:23<datapolitical_>even one the drive just burned itself
23:23<datapolitical_>that or I'm obscenely impatient
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23:24<datapolitical_>how long will it flash _ before it loads?
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23:24<tazzy>penpen tried the chown and can mount the drive but still showing owner as unknown and can't change permission, thanks for your help
23:25<poncho>in linux, whats is similar getch()
23:26<poncho>in c
23:26<Tekno>it is getch()
23:26<poncho>in programing c
23:27<poncho>in linux
23:28<tazzy>still can't mount any drive or partition other than file system and dvd drive
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23:28<amphi>well, getch is in ncurses
23:29<amphi>poncho: getchar(3) is what you're after perhaps
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23:30<peterius>lenny is active, not testing now?
23:30<Txt-file>is the sqaushfs supported by debian? I have to reconfigure a ubuntu-livecd. Or is there a simple way for reconfigure a debian-livecd?
23:30<peterius>stable, rather
23:31<peterius>hmm... should I go to the new testing to find fixes for bugs then?
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23:35<tazzy>i've tried setting permissions with chmod, tried chown, tried chgrp - nothing seems to be working. i changed the partition size to very tiny and created a new partition with gparted, still can't access anything but file system and dvd drive
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23:37<amphi>peterius: why not? ;)
23:37<amphi>if you have 'testing' rather than a name in your sources.lst, you can track the testing branch indefinitely
23:38<peterius>oh, maybe I should do that
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23:38<tazzy>i think i'll just jump off a cliff or reinstall XP - results would be the same either way :)
23:39<amphi>tazzy: what are you trying to do?
23:40<tazzy>access about 320 gigs of hd space
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23:42<tazzy>i've tried setting permissions with chmod, tried chown, tried chgrp - nothing seems to be working. i changed the partition size to very tiny and created a new partition with gparted, still can't access anything but file system and dvd drive
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23:43<ml>tazzy: what permissions does have now?
23:43<tazzy>i don't know
23:43<ml>ls -la
23:43<ml>^ do the above
23:44<tazzy>did, don't understand results
23:44<amphi>what fs is on it?
23:44<ml>did u get a list?
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23:45<tazzy># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
23:45<tazzy>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
23:45<tazzy>/dev/sdb2 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
23:45<tazzy>/dev/sdb5 none swap sw 0 0
23:45<tazzy>/dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
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23:45<ml>ok... right name is owner next to that is the group
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23:46<Silicium01>How do people do backups?
23:46<Silicium01>rsync? is there a better automated way?
23:46<ml>Silicium01: I use rsnapshots
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23:47<Silicium01>ml, are you experienced?
23:47<tazzy>dang got kicked
23:47<ml>somewhat as away
23:47<ml>tazzy: can't post more than 3 lines at a time
23:48<tazzy>i see that now
23:48<tazzy> <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
23:48<tazzy>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
23:48<tazzy>/dev/sdb2 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
23:49<ml>Silicium01: read the how to
23:49<tazzy>/dev/sdb5 none swap sw 0 0
23:49<tazzy>/dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
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23:49<tazzy>that's my fstab info
23:49<ml>tazzy: did u mount the hard drive u want to access
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23:50<Silicium01>ml, are there any alternatives to rsnapshot that I should look into?
23:50<tazzy>what i actually have is sdb1, sdb2, sdb3, sdb4, sdb5, sda1(NTFS), hda (ntfs)
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23:51<tazzy>sdb5 is a swap, the rest I am trying to utilize in debian
23:51<ml>Silicium01: that's what I use, with a cronjob does a very good job... u can also do an image with clozilla
23:52<tazzy>i have been reading mans, guides, refs etc for a week and can't find a solution to my problem
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23:52<ml>tazzy: what is sb1?
23:52<tazzy>ml:i can't mount the drive or the partition
23:52<ml>tazzy: what is sdb1?
23:52<Silicium01>ml, did you mean clonezilla?
23:53<ml>yes oops
23:53<ml>Silicium01: rsnapshot does incremental backups
23:54<Silicium01>ml, what does that mean?
23:54<tazzy>ml: sdb1 is a tiny partition
23:54<tazzy>it is ext2
23:56<ml>Silicium01: lets say u edit text1.txt and save it after rsnaphot runs it will get backed up, then u edit text1 again and rsnapshot runs after that it keeps both original and new version
23:56<tazzy>all i want to do is to reformat all my partitions and drives so that I can use them in debian. i could have done that at install but wasn't sure if linux was right for me
23:56<Silicium01>ml, simmilar to svn?
23:57<tazzy>now that i want to get rid of win-doze i can't seem to access my drives
23:57<ml>tazzy: to access the drives they must be mounted
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23:58<tazzy>can't mount them
23:58<tazzy>don't have permission
23:58<ml>r u doing as root?
23:58<tazzy>tried chgrp in root term
23:58<tazzy>no luck
23:58<tazzy>tried chown no luck
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23:59<tazzy>tried chmod 777 to everything on my system - it still hates me :-(
23:59<ml>one sec tazzy
23:59<Silicium01>ml, do you know if it saves files in readable way? or in some sort of database like SVN?
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