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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-08

---Logopened Sun Mar 08 00:00:02 2009
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00:00<ml>Silicium01: just like a regular file type u r backing up
00:01<Silicium01>ml, if it's incremental, are they in different folders?
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00:01<tazzy>can't mount the drives as they are not in my fstab
00:02<ml>yes ... it will start with hourly.0 and so on, but depends how u set it up, u need to read the howto and man page to fully understand
00:03<ml>tazzy: u can mount them they don't have to be in ur fstab
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00:05<ml>read that so u understand what fstab so
00:05<tazzy>ml:i tried and get an error in root term - mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
00:06<ml>do a ls -la in /dev see what is listed there
00:07<Deagon>hi all, need help mounting Fat32. But be warned brutal cricumstances, help and advice would be greatly appreciated
00:07<dondelelcaro>Deagon: you just mount it as you would any other filesystem
00:08<Deagon>no, don think that applies in this case
00:08<ml>use vfat as the filesystem
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00:08<Deagon>portable linux, running from .img on a pendrive that contains two fat32 partitions (neither of which can been seen by linux)
00:08<Deagon>in qemu
00:09<Deagon>i take the silence as meaning, DEATH setup
00:10<tazzy>ml:i do the ls -la in /dev and get a very long list similar to this - crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 5 2009-03-07 13:22 zero - and it goes on for 100 lines or so
00:11<ml>ok good
00:11<Deagon>its pendrivelinux 08 (but they don have an irc, and its based on debian)
00:12<ml>tazzy: find anything listed as sdb
00:12<tazzy>ml: yes - brw-rw---- 1 mike mike 8, 16 2009-03-07 21:11 sdb
00:12<tazzy>it shows me as owner and shows my group but can't mount
00:13<tazzy>i know this shows all the permissions on the system
00:14<ml>we are looking for the drive first
00:15<tazzy>ml: both sdb and sda drives are there in the list
00:15<ml>typically sda sdb sdc or hda hdb are har drives listed in /dev
00:15<ml>any numbers after sdb or sda
00:15<tazzy>yep, dha, dhb, sda, sdb and associated partitions are there
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00:16<tazzy>tired fingers :)
00:16<tazzy>sda is single partition NTFS drive
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00:17<tazzy>sdb is multi-partitoned ext2, ext3 and swap drive
00:17<tazzy>hda is single partiton ntfs drive (xp os resides there)
00:18<ml>from ur fstab only sdb2 and 5 are mounted
00:18<ml>which one r u trying to mount
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00:19<ml>oh an hdb
00:19<tazzy>i'm trying to mount and format ALL of them
00:19<ml>how hard drives r on that system?
00:20<tazzy>3 hd's, 1 30 gig and 2 160 gigs
00:20<tazzy>plus cd/dvd
00:20<ml>so u should have listed in /dev sda sdb sdc
00:21<Deagon>Okay, I got the pen drives second partition mounted as a drive, now have two drives listed. 1st one is the image that contains linux; casper-rw (its .img in windows) and second one is 384mb fat32 (that i plan to use for filesahring) which is mounted as ünknown type, unknown size.
00:21<Deagon>any suggestions?
00:21<tazzy>ml: no sdc just sda and sdb
00:22<ml>tazzy: can u see all the drives in xp?
00:23<tazzy>it would take about 8 minutes to boot up xp, but all drives were visible last time i was there
00:23<ml>r they visible whe u ran gparted?
00:24<tazzy>yes, i can see everything in gparted
00:24<ml>as separate drives
00:24<ml>from the dropdown menu
00:25<tazzy>as 3 separate drives, yes
00:25<ml>Deagon: sorry can't ya
00:25<gsimmons>Deagon: Pendrivelinux 2008 is based on MCNLive (which itself is based on Mandriva Linux) and is not supported here.
00:26<Deagon>i see
00:26<tazzy>listed in gparted as hda, sda, sdb
00:26<Deagon>im sure i read somewhere this version is based on debian, I must have been mistaken
00:26<ml>tazzy: is hda listed in /dev ?
00:26<Deagon>sorry, about hassling the debian irc
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00:27<Deagon>thanks, cya
00:27<ml>try to mount it
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00:28<tazzy>ml: mount: can't find /dev/hda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
00:29<ml>type here in irc what u r typing in the terminal
00:29<tazzy>mount /dev/hda
00:29<ml>ok that is wrong
00:29<ml>u r doing it as root correct
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00:31<tazzy>what should the command be, i got the one i used from
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00:31<ml>tazzy: u have to make a mount point first
00:32<ml>where do u want to mount it?
00:32<Tekno>mkdir -p /mnt/somefolder; mount -t fstype /dev/sdX /mnt/somefolder
00:32<tazzy>i have no idea how to answer that question
00:32<tazzy>i just want to access my hd's
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00:33<tazzy>as i said whne i logged on - super noob
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00:34<Tekno>mkdir -p /mnt/somefolder; mount -t fstype /dev/sdX /mnt/somefolder
00:34<tazzy>i can't seem to make sense of the mans or refs right now
00:34<ml>if u type what Tekno posted will work, just need to change the sdX for the device u want to mount
00:34<Tekno>and fstype to vfat,ntfs-3g or auto...
00:34<Tekno>whatever your fs is
00:34<tazzy>but how can i access that in gnome gui?
00:34<ml>u need to mount them first
00:35<Tekno>browser to /mnt/somefolder after doing that wahat I typed
00:35<ml>then u will see them
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00:35<ml>but u should read the link I posted so u understand what ur doing
00:36<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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00:37<ml>tazzy: here is a better one...
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00:37<ml>thanks for the help Tekno, i'm not to good at explaining
00:38<tazzy>ml: working on reading all that
00:39<alexander>algien para chateal
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00:40<tazzy>mL; still can't access the drives via "computer" icon due to permissions and can't change anything with gparted
00:40<tazzy>maybe i'll just kill everything and start over
00:40<tazzy>too old to learn new tricks
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00:42<Deagon>hi all, back again
00:42<ml>tazzy: what did u do?
00:43<tazzy>tried to access the now mounted sdb1 via gui but can't change any permsisons
00:43<Deagon>just been told that there is multiple variants of pdl08 and this one is debian (just as i thought) was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to help me with a small mounting issue
00:43<ml>yes tazzy because root owns it
00:44<ml>atleast it's mounted and u can see it
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00:44<tazzy>yeah, too bad i can't use it :-D
00:45<ml>one sec
00:45<tazzy>i am trying to mount other partitons using the command that tekno showed me
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00:45<ml>u won't be able to
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00:47<tazzy>yeah, it worked once, but won't work again
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00:47<ml>tazzy: as root do chmod a+r /mnt/somefolder
00:48<Txt-file>I need to create a own liveCD. Can someone give me a link to a simple tutorial?
00:48<ml>then try to read it again
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00:51<tazzy>I tried using that command that tekno gave me on other partitions/drives and it doesn't work, i even changed folder name to myfolder
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00:52<tazzy>i am dumber than a box of rocks, i have been working with computers since 1980 but windows has killed my computer intelligence
00:52<ml>did u see what I typed above?
00:53<tazzy>i'll get this right or i'll sign up for AOL dialup and install WindowsMe :P
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00:54<tazzy>ml: yes, i did that and i can access that partition but still can't get the others. I'll keep working on it, thanks
00:54<tazzy>okay, maybe not AOL dialup, that's going too far
00:54<ml>tazzy: as root do chmod -R a+r /mnt/somefolder
00:55<tazzy>did that
00:55<ml>try to read the folders
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00:57<tazzy>i can read it but can't write to it
00:57<ml>u want to write to it?
00:57<tazzy>i get the lost and found folder
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00:57<tazzy>i need to be able to write to the folders so i can store files on them
00:57<snogglethorpe>hmm, don't see the original question (just started irc), but wouldn't using the fstab "user" option be good?
00:59<snogglethorpe>tazzy: i don't see the original question, so I'm not sure what you're talking about really, but i get the impression taht you want to be able to mount a device, and access files etc as a "normal" user instead of as root...?
01:00<tazzy>i want to be able to access all my drives/partitions from gnome gui, you know save to, drag and drop, etc
01:01<tazzy>i have 320 gig of hard drive space I need to access
01:01<ml>tazzy hoe is the just mount drive partition as?
01:01<shweppsi1>what is the name of the program you can run and click on a window and it tells you the name, class, etc
01:02<tazzy>ml: i don't understand
01:02<ml>fat ext3 etc
01:03<tazzy>ext2 (?)
01:05<ml>u want to make this permanent?
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01:06<tazzy>yes, i want to kill my XP side (you know, the Dark Side) and utilize all my drive space under Linux
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01:07<ml>the drive u just mount is not the xp one correct?
01:08<Deagon>does anyone have any ideaś how i can achieve file sharing between a GOS (linux running in qemu window) and the host OS windows vista?
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01:08<tazzy>no. hda and hdb are my XP OS drives
01:09<ml>u have data on the just mounted drive/
01:09<tazzy>no, that is an empty partition
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01:09<ml>ok good
01:09<tazzy>just has lost and found folder
01:10<ml>give me sec
01:10<Deagon>my guest operating system is connected to windows through a tunnel. Not sure if windows would be able to see a samba share on the emulated linux
01:11<Deagon>i will explain my setup a little clearer to avoid confusion
01:11<ml>u should format it as ext3
01:12<ml>do a du -h in the terminal
01:12<tazzy>what am i looking for there?
01:12<ml>no don't do that wrong command
01:13<tazzy>too late!
01:13<ml>one sec trying to remenber the correct command
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01:13<tazzy>my disk just erased itslef
01:13<Deagon>i am currently running pendrivelinux (this version is based on debian) in an emulator called qemu. which is running on windows vista, which in turn is connected to the internet. PDL is tunneled/connected to vista allowing access to the internet. so a connection exists, but i having trouble filesharing between the two OSś
01:13<Jpdota>hey, the updated synaptics drivers messed up my configuration, does anybody know how i can restore the configuration i had before (or something that has the same effect)?? im running squeeze
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01:14<ml>I know it did not :P
01:14<Deagon>or more specifically, i have no idea how to file share between the two ósś
01:14<stratman4300>Hello all, I'm dialing out to the internet using a CDMA wireless card which obtains a new ip address with every connection. It works fine except everytime it connects i have to update the route manually before any traffic will pass. Any thoughts on automating this??
01:15<Jpdota>Deagon: look here --> there's some good stuff there. it's for kvm, but im pretty sure it applies to qemu as well
01:15<Jpdota>Deagon: although if you're on windows, idk how much will apply to you
01:15<Deagon>i currenty in the emulated linux
01:16<Deagon>thanks, i will take a look
01:16<ml>tazzy: df -h
01:16<tazzy>okay, done
01:18<tazzy>it shows my drives/partitions and their space plus mountpoint
01:18<ml>understand what is listed there?
01:19<tazzy>all right, my first gold star of the nite
01:19<ml>since that is empty partition why don't format as ext3
01:19<Deagon>Jpdota, my network already exists, its just filesharing thats the issue, linux cant see windows. and windows is too stupid to see linux under normal circumstances, no hope in this case
01:20<Jpdota>Deagon: did you already set up samba on the linux vm?
01:20<ml>tazzy: if the computer turns off u will need to mount that drive again
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01:21<tazzy>ml: thanks. Can they not be set to auto mount?
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01:21<Deagon>i havent tried the samba route yet. I was trying to simplefiey things by making a second fat32 partition on the pendrive
01:21<gsimmons>stratman4300: If you're using interfaces(5), you can call route using an up/post-up iface option.
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01:22<Deagon>but cant get pdl to see the other fat32 partition
01:22<tazzy>ml: the suspense is killing me
01:22<stratman4300>gsimmons: does network manager directly modify the interfaces file???
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01:22<ml>u should do a few things first
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01:23<tazzy>like delete that tiny partition that is sdb1
01:23<ml>since that will be a data drive
01:23<ml>what is sdb1 anyways
01:24<ml>used for i mean
01:24<Deagon>anyone willing to reccomend a good samba GUI?
01:24<tazzy>just a partition I made while trying to learn gparted
01:24<gsimmons>stratman4300: No.
01:24<tazzy>its is only 420 meg
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01:25<tazzy>i do a lot of video work so 420 meg is to small to utilize
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01:25<ml>post ur fstab again
01:26<tazzy>/dev/sdb2 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
01:26<tazzy>/dev/sdb5 none swap sw 0 0
01:26<tazzy>/dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
01:26<ml>that's it?
01:27<tazzy>ml; yep
01:27<tazzy>minus the header
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01:28<someABC>I wonder where could I find some java projects to volunteer
01:28<ml>u can delete it and then resize the one of the other partitions in sdb
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01:29<ml>hello someABC
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01:29<tazzy>ml:do i have to unmount before I can delete it?
01:29<tazzy>what the ...
01:30<ml>that's not the one that is mounted/
01:30<tazzy>i managed to mount sdb1 and sdb4 sdb1 is the one i wanna get rid of
01:30<tazzy>did th sdb4 all by myself
01:31<ml>good job
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01:31<ml>where did u mount it too
01:31<tazzy>ml:a bogus folder I created
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01:32<ml>ic ur getting the hang of it windows did not take all ur cells
01:32<ml>brain cells that is
01:32<tazzy>kind of like somefolder only i called it myfolder - pretty imaginative, huh?
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01:33<ml>ok do u want to make these permanent correct?
01:33<tazzy>i think after a week without Mr Gates Evil Software, i am regaining some intleiigence
01:33<tazzy>yes permanent
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01:34<ml>u should make and think to permantly mount them then not bogus like u have them now
01:35<ml>like /data
01:35<tazzy>ml:btw, i saved the reference links you sent,thanks for those
01:35<tazzy>like data, okay
01:35<ml>or whatever u want
01:35<ml>and it doesn,t have to be in /mnt eiether
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01:36<ml>it can go in /
01:36<tazzy>i kind of thought that
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01:36<tazzy>the / that is
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01:36<ml>but u must create the dir as root
01:36<ml>like mkdir /data
01:36<tazzy>yes, in the root term, right?
01:37<tazzy>hah, who needs gui when I use command line!
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01:37<ml>that's right
01:37<adri>hi all
01:37<adri>Which graphic center stage is better KDE or a gnome?
01:38<ml>it is mainly preference adri
01:38<tazzy>adri: what's better ford or chevy or dodge or toyota
01:38<ml>try them both see which one u like best
01:39<ml>but kde is closer to windows
01:39<adri>Something most stirs to background
01:39<tazzy>do a google search for kde vs gnome
01:40<adri>i want install superkaramba but superkaramba is for kde
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01:40<ml>u can install it in gnome if ya want
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01:40<ml>it will install the need kde libraries
01:41<adri>have problems with a sensors
01:42<tazzy>ml:besides a good folder to mount to, what else for permanent change?
01:42<ml>tazzy: did create the mount?
01:43<tazzy>not yet, capturing this chat
01:43<ml>after or before u should formart the drives as ext3
01:44<ml>need to edit fstab so it will automount them for u
01:44<tazzy>okay i think i can do that, i have edited fstab before
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01:45<ml>but u can't edit fstab until u know the mount points
01:45<ml>for each drive
01:45<ml>and filesystem type
01:45<tazzy>ml:right, that was part of my problem I didn't understand mount points
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01:46<ml>now u do correct?
01:46*ml hands tazzy a beer
01:47<ml>hehe np
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01:49<ml>oh and the mountpoints u make try to make then so u can remenber
01:49<tazzy>that would be a good idea lol
01:49<ml>like backups for umm backups
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01:50<ml>or else u won't know where ur files are at
01:51<tazzy>that wouldn't be good
01:51<ml>r u going to this now?
01:51<tazzy>no, i am going to do it tomorrow. i have to get up early in themorning
01:52<ml>ok gl if i'm here i will help ya
01:52<ml>tomorrow that is
01:53<tazzy>thanks, you have been a monstrously large help. this noob and noobs everywhere salute you. :-D
01:53<ml>i will show that i'm on but not looking here all the time
01:53<ml>we where all noobs at one point
01:54<ml>any other questions before ya go?
01:54<tazzy>yeah, i used to be good at computers until Bill Gates came along. I remember my first venture into DOS.
01:54<tazzy>No more ?'s 2nite. thx for all the help
01:55<ml>well once those brain cells get lose watchout
01:55<tazzy>heh heh
01:55<ml>ok np anytime
01:55<Deagon>problem solved; Windows firewall was set to allow the guest operating system (ie. pendrivelinux) full access to my network shares, needless to say it was still blocking it. which has cause me 13 hours of suffering. lol. so goodnight everyone (oh wait, DAYLIGHT) lol
01:55<ml>gn all
01:55<tazzy>i'd send ya a case of beers but I don't know how to emote on this software
01:55<tazzy>see ya
01:55<ml>congrats Deagon
01:56<ml>see ya
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01:56<Deagon>see ya, poeple. have a good day or good night. which ever applies
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03:30<zshgm>âñåì ïðèâåò, êòîíèòü þçàë touchscreen â debian 5 ?
03:30<Tekno>english only
03:31<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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05:04<gma>hello folks
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05:05<gma>one pb: on console keyboard is ok, but on X: I have to type every character twice to make one appear... even for gdm login
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05:07<gma>I really don't understand : it was an old machine I didn't have updated for 3 years
05:07<gma>any ideas ?
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05:23<Guest1160>I have installed lenny on my laptop, but I can only user it with command acpi=off, but I want to avoid this command, How can I avoid it?
05:24<Tekno>compile custom kernel
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05:25<Guest1160>I have also tried, but still the same problem, I had to use idle=mwait for kernels 2.6.24 and newer and it worked but not for 2.6.26 for lenny
05:26<seanius>Guest1160: you mean so you don't have to enter it every time you boot? or so that you don't need the option at all?
05:26<Tekno>what your exact problem with acpi ?
05:26<Tekno>doesnt boot, shutdown or what?
05:27<Guest1160>I want to use cpufreq and I need acpi for control over cpufreq
05:28<Guest1160>without acpi=off it boot up to the log screen and then freezes
05:30<Guest1160>I have to use acpi=off at kernel when I start lenny to get it up and working
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05:33<Steven_M>hi all, did I format my sources.list right?
05:33<newbye>is there an help channel for a keyboard pb (I have to type twice for any touch on keyboard on X mode...)
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05:34<newbye>Steven_M, do an aptitude update
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05:36<Steven_M>I did, I just want to make sure it's all ok, before I install anything.
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05:41<newbye>Steven_M, i don't use debian volatile
05:41<newbye>so if not sure : put a # before each line of volatile
05:42<Steven_M>newbye: ok
05:42<debam>hi to all,i am having iball WP4030 Tablet,but all functianality is not working by default..
05:43<debam>can any one help me to configure this device with xorg
05:43<Steven_M>does anyone else use volatile?
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05:45<newbye>HELP REQUEST : is there an help channel for a keyboard pb (I have to type twice for any touch on keyboard on X mode...)
05:47<debam>iball pen is working in debian but,notepad has some symbol like cut back,undo desktop etc. are not working in lenny
05:49<debam>in dmesg it is showing input,hiddev96: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [ TABLET DEVICE] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2 but not as Tablet WP4030
05:49<debam>i have compiled wizardpen driver and installed
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05:49<debam>then as well it's all shortcut symbol not working
05:51<newbye>Steven_M, do u have a special need to use volatile ?
05:52<newbye>debam, do u have the correct module installed ?
05:52<Steven_M>newbye: I thought it was recomended
05:55<newbye>Steven_M, I had a pb of this kind and did a specific research in sourceforge and other linked ressources
05:55<newbye>good luck
05:56<debam>newbye, how to find out which driver it is using..
05:56<Steven_M>newbye: ok, good luck
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05:57<Steven_M>newbye: I mean good night
05:57<newbye>Steven_M, for me I would do a lsusb -vv ohave idvendor and idproduct
05:58<newbye>Steven_M, for me I would do a lsusb -vv to have idvendor and idproduct
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05:58<newbye>and in that way I would do a modprobe command
05:58<newbye>Janc salut
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06:00<newbye>Steven_M, or a modification of module source to have it launch properly with your tablet
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06:01<debam>newbye this is my lsusb -vv output
06:02<izzi>big problems wtih upgrading to lenny, slapd dont want to upgrade
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06:06<debam>newbye correct module what i am using?
06:07<Ascavasaion>I am here on my cell phone and would like to know if anyone here can private me to tell me how to connect my laptop to the Internet using infra red?
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06:08<FloridaGuy>? isent it m-a a-m install
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06:09<saeed>I have to use acpi=off at kernel command line to get lenny up and running but I want to avoid it is it possible?
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06:12<saeed>Is there an expert in lenny out there?
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06:14<debam>saeed, it depends on your bios hardware..permanently you can add in /boot/grub/menu.lst
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06:14<debam>as a kernel param
06:14<saeed>I want to avoid it because I want to use cpufreq , and it needs acpi
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06:17<saeed>Is there a way to avoid using acpi=off
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06:19<MyWifeIs19>I downloaded a source tar ball which is unpacked now. How do I generate a list of functions in it?
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06:21<pato>Hi, when i typed ls -al, i got this:-????????? ? ? ? ? ? and also message "permision denied"
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06:22<lili>Dose anybody ever compiled sendmail program here??
06:22<petemc>why would you do that?
06:23<lili>just a necessary skill for work
06:23<pato>It has happened 2 times yet, once on folder and containing files on my usb key and yesterday on my home partition. I didn,t do anything stupid.
06:24<weasel>I'd run a fsck, sooner than later.
06:24<pato>I tried fsck -pc, but i got nothing.
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06:25<weasel>what's -pc supposed to do?
06:26<pato>oh, sorry, fsck.ext3 -pc /dev/xxx
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06:26<pato>c > check for bad blocks
06:26<pato>p > automatic repair
06:27<weasel>and why would you run a bad block check instead of actually having the filesystem checked?
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06:30<MyWifeIs19>pato: I had exactly same thing happened when an IDE connector went bad.....
06:31<pato>ok, so what should i do? But i have to say to you, "broken " files on my home partition were accesible under root, but on my usb key, it wasnt accesible by anybody. So i move files from folder, delete old folder and move it back into the folder and it is ok.
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06:33<MyWifeIs19>how do I generate cross reference on bunch of C files?
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06:33<pato>MyWifeIs19: I will check it. But hope, it is not my problem, because it is laptop. I am no sure it is possible to change cable.
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07:02<leonardo>Hello Guys
07:03<leonardo>I use kde with Lenny and something veeeeeeeery strangy happened...
07:03<highvolt1ge>hey leonardo
07:04<leonardo>The fonts of my a desktop's icons have became black....
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07:05<leonardo>Before they were white( the default)
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07:06<leonardo>And I have not changed the Kcontrol....this just happened
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07:07<leonardo>So....why what could be changing my desktop's fonts color?
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07:08<leonardo>The theme I am using is the same I was using before
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07:08<leonardo>Highvolt1ge...could u help me?
07:08<leonardo>Hi zxxd!
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07:09<zxxd>what's the channels for debian developers
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07:09<zxxd>package builders
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07:11<highvolt1ge>leonardo: no idea what's causing your problem I'm afraid
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07:12<leonardo>zxxd: Since #debian-devel is an open channel, you should not speak there of issues that are discussed in <>. There's another channel for this purpose, it's called #debian-private and it's protected by a key. This key is available in the archives of debian-private in, just zgrep for #debian-private in all the files.
07:12<leonardo>There are other additional channels dedicated to specific subjects. #debian-bugs is used for coordinating bug squashing parties. #debian-boot is used to coordinate the work on the debian-installer. #debian-doc is occasionally used to talk about documentation, like the document you are reading. Other channels are dedicated to an architecture or a set of packages: #debian-kde, #debian-dpkg, #debian-jr, #debian-edu, #debian-oo (OpenOffice package) ...
07:13<zxxd>i need information about a template package I can use for creating my own ,
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07:13<zxxd>it isn't a C program
07:14<zxxd>just a bunch of config files that I want to copy to a bunch of insalled packages
07:14<leonardo>I am a begginer user, so that was what I can do for you zxxd
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07:15<leonardo>Hello highvoltage, maybe this is a bug?
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07:25<debam>hi i am getting stuch at calibrate /dev/tablet-event while configuring my iball WP4030 using
07:25<debam>in lenny
07:26<debam>is giving output as Please, press the stilus at ANY corner of your desired working area:
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07:38<Morpheus>hi debian users
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07:53<FloF>i have a question: hwo i can make up the debug-level form proftpd? (sorry for my english, im german)
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08:24<debam>anyone is using iball digital pen tablet on lenny?
08:25<debam>my tablet subfunctions are not working
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08:25<debam>like short cut key of office word undo cut etc
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08:26<kapil>debam: is it working as a pointer device (mouse)?
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08:26<debam>kapil, yes
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08:26<debam>kapil, i am able to draw some pics,can do all what a mouse does
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08:27<debam>kapil this is dmesg output input: TABLET DEVICE as /class/input/input10
08:27<debam>input,hiddev96: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [ TABLET DEVICE] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2
08:27<kapil>you need to see if it is generating xevents for the remaining "actions" using "xev". if not then you need some kind of driver like.
08:28<kapil>for example, synaptic touchpads have their own driver which supports all the additional features.
08:28<kapil>(driver in X)
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08:29<debam>kapil, i have compiled driver wizardpen but then as well xserver is not using it
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08:31<abrotman>using the wacom driver?
08:31<kapil>debam: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for info on whether the wizardpen driver is being loaded or not.
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08:32<debam>kapil, i have checked log it is not loaded
08:32<debam>abrotman, but my device is iball WP4030
08:32<debam>and in my system wacom driver as installed
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08:33<abrotman>i'm asking if the device uses the wacom xorg driver
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08:34<debam>abrotman, how to know that which driver it is using?
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08:35<kapil>run "xinput list"
08:35<abrotman>look in the log i guess .. i was just going to suggest that you might want to read the wacom driver docs on your system .. ISTR it's semi-broken on lenny
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08:38<debam>abrotman, this is my xorg.log
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08:38<kapil>debam: it looks like it took it as a mouse. btw, you don't need to run "xinput list" as root only as the user with access to X.
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08:39<debam>kapil, i have logged in as root,yes but if it took as mouse then it is wrong i think so..
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08:40<debam>so subfunctions which are on tablet like cut undo back etc not working..
08:41<abrotman>debam: which version of debian is this?
08:41<debam>abrotman, older lenny
08:41<abrotman>you should really update it .. your kernel is pretty ol
08:41<kapil>do you have the /dev/tablet-event device?
08:41<abrotman>i can't imagine what other packages are out of date/broken
08:42<debam>kapil, yes i am having /dev/tablet-event device
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08:42<debam>abrotman, i have setup my small setup on this i dont want to disturb it and uodate
08:43<abrotman>debam: update your system to lenny .. see if the problem persists .. there is no point in trying to debug packages that aren't even in debian anymore
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08:43<debam>abrotman, i have tested once on current lenny as well
08:44<debam>but same thing happening ..
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08:44<abrotman>whatever .. have fun
08:44<kapil>debam: can't think of anything further. sorry.
08:46<debam>kapil, which is digital writing pad an d pen supported by lenny?
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08:51<hjb>hi. is there anything like plesk available in debian lenny?
08:52<hjb>(plesk is a web based sys admin console)
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08:53<dr|z3d>Remind us what plesk does.
08:53<dr|z3d>Ah. Right. Well, there's webmin.. some folk in here take a dim view of that, though.
08:53<dpkg>it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
08:53<abrotman>dr|z3d: webmin isn't in debian either
08:54<abrotman>and webmin is really bad to use
08:54<abrotman>judd: info dtc-common --release lenny
08:54<judd>abrotman: dtc-common (admin): is extra; Version: 0.29.17-1; Size: 4918.0k; Installed: 9900k -- web control panel for admin and accounting hosting services (common files)
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08:54<dr|z3d>abrotman: I know it's not in the repositories, but worth mentioning nonetheless.
08:55<hjb>hmm ,ok. i heared about webmin beeing poor quality
08:55<abrotman>dr|z3d: no it's not .. looks amateurish ...
08:55<abrotman>hjb: yes, avoid it
08:56<hjb>abrotman what's about dtc? better quality?
08:56<abrotman>hjb: never used it .. i just know it exists ..
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08:56<abrotman>you asked for some panel thingie in debian ..
08:56<dr|z3d>If you're not using webmin on a net facing server, it's at least worth a look in my view. Not as bad as some folks maintain.
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08:57<abrotman>dr|z3d: don't you ahve something else to do?
08:57*dr|z3d laughs.
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08:58<hjb>abrotman right, thant's what i've asked for :-) so, thanks for pointing it out
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09:04<hjb>ok, first review: dtc sucks :-D
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09:04<abrotman>hjb: i'll keep that in mind, thanks :)
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09:05<hjb>ii either want's cyrus or courier, but i'm running dovecot, so i can't use it
09:05<abrotman>courier is almost as fun as dovecot
09:05<hjb>don't want to change imap server just to use some fancy webmin
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09:05<abrotman>hjb: oh .. so it works fine ... just doesn't support dovecot ?
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09:06<hjb>abrotman i don't know. it depend on either cyrus and courier and i don't want to mess up my mail system by installing another server
09:07<abrotman>hjb: understandable ...
09:07*abrotman notes that wasn't a previous requirement
09:08<abrotman>hjb: if you install dtc-core .. what does it ask for ?
09:08<abrotman>bah .. nevermind
09:09<hjb>abrotman oh, i just figureded something: it depends on the following packages: the courier packages, the cyrus packages or a package called "dovecot"
09:09<abrotman>so it does work ?
09:09<hjb>but that package named "dovecot" isn't available
09:09<hjb>as dovecot is splitted into -common and -imap
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09:10<hjb>abrotman that's a bug, isn't it?
09:10<abrotman>yes, most likely
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09:11<hjb>abrotman i wonder at which point in time "dovecot" was splitted
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09:12<abrotman>but dtc-core depends on dtc-common .. -common depends on courier or cytrus
09:12<abrotman>seems silly
09:12<abrotman>what if you just wanted to manage login accounts?
09:13<valdyn>abrotman: i dont see it depend on courier
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09:13<valdyn>abrotman: just on courier-maildrop
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09:13<abrotman>or cyrus-imapd ..
09:13<valdyn>abrotman: and its not conflicting with my current mta or imap server or anything else
09:14<abrotman>eww .. maildrop is an MTA i thought
09:14<abrotman>oh .. just for local delivery
09:14<valdyn>abrotman: exactly
09:14<abrotman>still probably shouldn't depend on them ..
09:15<valdyn>no big deal either way
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09:15<hjb>valdyn but tey would still conflict with my dovecot lda, wouldn't they?
09:15<valdyn>its just a very fancy procmail
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09:16<valdyn>hjb: no
09:16<valdyn>hjb: run apt-get install dtc-core, watch the lack of conflicts and removals
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09:17<valdyn>hjb: the thing just has courier in its name, its not what you think it is
09:17<hjb>valdyn what's courier-base?
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09:17<abrotman>hjb: still not replacing dovecot
09:17<valdyn>hjb: every debian package has a description, look at it
09:18<valdyn>hjb: thats _all_ i do myself
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09:19<hjb>valdyn yeah, have done. so unless it would install courier-mta, my system wouldn't be messed up by installing dtc
09:19<valdyn>courier-imap isnt getting installed
09:19<hjb>that one for dovecot, and -mta for exim4
09:19<hjb>but none of them are going to be installed
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09:20<hjb>the "dovecot" dependency is still a bug, though
09:20<valdyn>hjb: thats a recommend
09:20<valdyn>hjb: or suggest?
09:21<valdyn>Suggests: courier-authmysql, courier-authlib-mysql, dovecot
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09:21<valdyn>hjb: clearly a bug, but it doesnt affect anything really
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09:22<valdyn>hjb: i dont actually know if "Replaces:" also works like "Provides:"
09:22<valdyn>hjb: .. in which case this was not a bug
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09:23<hjb>valdyn my system shows docevot (NOT AVAILABLE), so i guess "no"
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09:23<hjb>valdyn but your right, it's just a suggest, so nothing is affected
09:23<valdyn>hjb: i dont know how you are getting that message: is mail-transport-agent NOT AVAILABLE?
09:24<hjb>valdyn no, aptitude shows that in the dependency list
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09:25<hjb>valdyn but if Replace: would work like "Provides:" that may mean that perhaps "dovecot-common" is missing that "Replaces:"
09:25<hjb>no idea
09:26<hjb>i'll just report that bug on dtc-core and see how things turn out
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09:26<valdyn>hjb: dovecot-common already has Replaces: dovecot
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09:27<hjb>valdyn ok, then "Replace:" doesn't work that way
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09:28<hjb>ok, right now i have to take back what i said about "dtc"
09:28<hjb>i have to leave for i while and test later on
09:28<hjb>review follows ;)
09:29<hjb>valdyn abrotman thanks so far
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09:30<pwork>Hello, I'm building Quake 3 from source on a 64 bits Lenny : 1/ made all necessary changed in build scripts (gcc -m32, g++ -m32, -L/usr/lib32), but I get a linking error : "skipping uncompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.2/../../../ when searching for -lXxf86dga"
09:30<pwork>It seems to look in '/usr/lib', but the above command mentions '-L/usr/lib32' : how can this be ?
09:31<pwork>'-L/usr/lib32 -lXxf86dga'
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09:34<valdyn>pwork: -L does not disable preexisting directories
09:35<pwork>valdyn : thanks, for sure I forgot some '-L' when 'sed -i s/a/b/g' files
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09:36<pwork>Another strange thing is that gcc-multilib and ia32-libs packages don't provide all X11 libs :
09:36<valdyn>pwork: i dont see debian providing the dev stuff for this library
09:36<valdyn>pwork: not for 32-bit development on the 64-bit arch
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09:37<pwork>/usr/lib32/ /usr/lib32/ /usr/lib32/ /usr/lib64/libXxf86dga.a /usr/lib64/ /usr/lib64/ /usr/lib64/ /usr/lib64/ /usr/lib64/ /usr/lib64/libXxf86vm.a /usr/lib64/ /usr/lib64/ /usr/lib64/
09:37<pwork>valdyn : It's provided for 64b, but there are missing entries for 32b
09:37<valdyn>pwork: so-files are not sufficient
09:37<valdyn>pwork: right
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09:38<pwork>valdyn: is there some package or tarball that contains those 32b dynamic libs ?
09:38<valdyn>pwork: not really
09:39<pwork>Quake3 readme file states : "make sure you have the X Direct Graphics Access and X Video Mode extensions headers for your X11"
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09:40<valdyn>pwork: whats wrong with openarena?
09:40<pwork>But it's not about headers gere, just about libs, if I don't misunderstand
09:41<pwork>valdyn : I'm building Quake3 to get debug runs since I'm working on SymbianOS v3 portage
09:41<pwork>valdyn : It must fit in 50 MB RAM instead of 64 MB :)
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09:45<valdyn>pwork: id rather use a 32-bit debian chroot environment than sort out this stuff manually
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09:46<pwork>valdyn : Ok, I did it since I don't know how to chroot and don't want to break things :) I think here are the holy libs :
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09:47<down>hallo guys, there is a way to downgrade for lenny?
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09:48<down>gnome is having some problems, gedit dont work well, and firestarter simply dont work
09:48<abrotman>downgrade not supported
09:48<pwork>valdyn : Can I know from which lib version is the '/usr/lib32/' I have, so that I can grab compatible missing libraries ?
09:48<abrotman>down: how did you install gnome?
09:48<abrotman>pwork: apt-file
09:49<down>well, i was using lenny
09:49<pwork>abrotman : thanks
09:49<down>then i upgrade to squeeze
09:49<valdyn>pwork: that file is not even in debian?
09:49<down>and after some days (20 days), after some upgrade, gnome present this problems
09:50<valdyn>pwork: or my dpkg -S is broken
09:50<abrotman>down: it may be fixed in a few days
09:50<pwork>valdyn : I searched and found it there, so I believe it's in gcc-multilibs or ia32-libs packages
09:50<abrotman>libxxf86vm-dev: /usr/lib/
09:50<abrotman>libxxf86vm1: /usr/lib/
09:50<valdyn>abrotman: wrong one
09:50<down>well, there is a week since im triing to fix myself, but nothing
09:51<abrotman>he's on amd64 using ia32-libs ?
09:51<valdyn>abrotman: yes
09:51<down>abrotman, do you know where are the problem?
09:51<pwork>abrotman : yeah I'm
09:51<abrotman>kids and their fancy toys
09:51<abrotman>!beer antgel
09:51*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for antgel
09:51<valdyn>pwork: chroot is easier
09:52<valdyn>pwork: headers+so files alone are not enough
09:52<valdyn>pwork: you would have to manually extract the whole library development stack from 32-bit debian
09:53<pwork>valdyn : Ok, I go for it so :) For the moment, I believe a new files tree must be created somewhere (/usr /lib /mnt and so on) else than in '/', it's frightening
09:53<valdyn>pwork: or rebuild the stack
09:53<valdyn>pwork: its not, its a matter of running debootstrap once
09:53<dpkg>[debootstrap] <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>., or see, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
09:53<down>abrotman, about the problem i've presented, do you know where are the problem? (lib or file)
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09:54<valdyn>ok, that factoid is more frightening
09:54<valdyn>debootstrap is packaged, in debian
09:54<abrotman>down: check the bts
09:54<down>sorry, what is bts?
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09:54<pwork>valdyn : "you would have to manually extract the whole library development stack from 32-bit debian" : I'm too much beginner to understand that :) Just thought that '-m32' switch and 32b headers/libs would do the job
09:54<pwork>Go for a chroot so
09:55<valdyn>pwork: that does not fix the X library stack
09:55<down>ok, i know now
09:55<gsimmons>valdyn: I'm assuming the factoid was written for users of non-Debian systems (eg. cross-installations).
09:55<valdyn>gsimmons: i guess
09:56<abrotman>it's also very old
09:56<gsimmons>That too.
09:57<abrotman>IIRC written about the time that debtakeover was being used
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09:58<pwork> : dead link ;)
09:59<valdyn>i wonder how exactly wine build on amd64
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10:01<stew>valdyn: as a 32 bit binary
10:01<valdyn>stew: sure
10:01<valdyn>stew: against which libraries
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10:01<valdyn>stew: i dont see 32-bit development packages for many things
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10:07<Zap>I'm brazilian
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10:08<pwork>Changing subject, I installed a Debian Lenny when it was in the 'unstable' branch : now that Lenny is in the 'stable' branch, does it mean that 'apt-get' now searches packages in 'stable' ?
10:08<Guest27>I have Debian 5.0 Lenny
10:08<pwork>Guest27: hello
10:08<Guest27>he was with problems
10:08<stew>pwork: lenny was never the unstable branch. apt-get will search wherever /etc/apt/sources.list tells it to
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10:09<Guest27>I have a notebook of the Intelbras
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10:09<Guest27>with Debian 5.0 Lenny
10:09<Guest27>show this problem
10:10<Guest27>PCI:acpi interrupt
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10:10<pwork>Guest27: I have the same issue, just don't bother with it
10:10<stew>Guest27: you haven't said what the problem is? can you try to explain what the problem you are having is on a single line?
10:11<stew>pwork: what issue?
10:11<pwork>Guest27: BIOS or linux bug, but it doesn't make the system fail :)
10:11<pwork>stew : the 'acpi_interrupt' message always appears when in console mode
10:12<Guest27>While boot show PCI:acpi interrupt
10:12<valdyn>Guest27: why is that a problem?
10:12<pwork>stew : As soon as the system goes to sleep, it gets automatically awake, and this error is repeateadly triggered for a few minutes
10:12<Guest27>The BIOS of the PHOENIX
10:13<valdyn>Guest27: are you using automatic translation software?
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10:14<pwork>stew : I meant the 'testing' branch. Ok, 'apt-get' provider form 'sources.list', but since Lenny is now 'stable', does it mean that new 'testing' packages shifted to the old 'unstable' ones ?
10:15<Guest27>acpi=off and noapic don't happen nothing
10:15<pwork>Where is the old-testing/new-stable Debian so, I'm lost in the Matrix, or the MAtrix is lost in me, I don't get it xD
10:15<weasel>pwork: "so"?
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10:15<valdyn>pwork: every testing becomes stable at some point and a new testing is made
10:15<valdyn>pwork: unstable stays unstable forever
10:15<pawel>where can I receive help on Ubuntu?
10:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:17<pwork>valdyn: Ok. In fact, some work colleagues where in old-stable and had to shift to stable-lenny, so I wonder if it will be the same to shift from old-testing to new-testing, if the stable shift triggers the unstable shift too.
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10:18<pwork>valdyn : stable shift triggers testing shift ok, you just answered it
10:18<valdyn>pwork: thats one reason why you want to use release codenames in sources.list
10:18<valdyn>pwork: lenny instead of stable, squeeze instead of testing currently
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10:18<Guest27>I have notebook Intelbras i21
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10:19<valdyn>Guest27: youre english is bad -> go to channel for your language
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10:20<pwork>valdyn: Ok, just checked /etc/apt/sources.list and effectively : it only mentions the distribution codename, not the development state/branch. So I'm in 'stable' now, goodbye nice updates :(
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10:20<Guest27>I have one notebook of intelbras i21
10:21<Guest27>When the system initiates appears the message: PCI: acpi interrupt
10:22<pwork>Guest27: Is the ACPI/APIC bug a big problem for you ? Can you boot in your Debian system ? If yes, don't pay attention to it :)
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10:22<pwork>Guest27: I believe it's not a problem because you managed to boot in to connect here ;)
10:22<NickL>Hi All, I'm looking for help setting up dual monitors, one standard LCD (NEC 2070nx) and one wide screen (HP 2335) on my Quatro FX500/600 on lenny
10:23<Guest27>The Command acpi=off and noapic does not function
10:23<pwork>Guest27: [spam] Don't bother with it
10:23<pwork>Guest27: [spam] Don't bother with it
10:23<media>any sidux users?
10:24<pwork>media, hi
10:24<media>hi pwork
10:24<Guest27>I am connected here with the Linux Fenix
10:24<adb>media: try #sidux
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10:25<media>how do I try sidux?
10:25<media>it was not in the list
10:25<adb>do > /j #sidux
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10:26<Guest27>How I make to initiate Debian 5,0 with this problem?
10:26<media>thanks it worked
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10:30<pawel>I don't know how to make LPT working, seems like computer does not detect LPT, can someone help me? some data about my computer is at
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10:30<Guest27>Where I can find Piter Punk, it changed of place when Patrick Volkerding was with health problems.
10:31<Guest27>How I make to create a Brazilian canal?
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10:31<pwork>valdyn: debootstrap is magic :))
10:31<adb>i had : waiting a root fs , and dropped a initramfs on 2.6.26 , any idea how do i may go further ?
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10:32<NickL>Hi All, I'm looking for help setting up dual monitors, one standard LCD (NEC 2070nx) and one wide screen (HP 2335) with my Quatro FX500/600 on lenny, I can easily get 1920x1200 when running the widescreen on its own using the nv driver, the official nvidia driver only allows the resolution to go up to 1600x1200, xinerama or twinview don't help and xrandr doesn't fully support my card
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10:33<leandro>bom dia
10:33<pwork>themill: debootstrap is magic :)
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10:34<leandro>I need help
10:34<pawel>I don't know how to make LPT working, seems like computer does not detect LPT, can someone help me? some data about my computer is at
10:35<adb>pawel: don't do double post please
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10:35<adb>leandro: !tell leandro about pt
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10:38<NickL>any suggestions for a good place to ask about xorg problems?
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10:43<pawel>noone knowd?
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10:47<valdyn>pwork: lsmod |grep parport
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10:48<pwork>valdyn: Yes, it's loaded (still don't know what it is so far)
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10:48<valdyn>pwork: check bios for ioport , dma channel, use something like "modprobe parport_pc io=foo dma=blah"
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10:50<pwork>valdyn: Aren't you mistaking the person you want to help on this point ? :)
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10:50<pwork>valdyn: If this is for the ACPI issue, I've the problem too, so I'll check it, thanks
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10:51<InkBottle>do you see a problem with this dhclient.conf:, because see this dmsg:
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10:51<guy>for the first time, I have a 100% native 64 bit system, with flash, java, all the codecs, etc etc etc
10:51<guy>I are so proud!!
10:52<pwork>guy: wow! a 64b native flash plugin!! Tell mem ore ;)
10:52<pwork>tell me more
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10:52<nonamo>Hey anybody use the bluez bluetooth packages on debian?
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10:53<clausismus>i have a problem
10:53<clausismus>i have a aspire one a110 netbook
10:53<guy>let me get the link - I saved the page to disk, but didn't bookmark, lol
10:53<clausismus>and i'd like to install debian
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10:54<tom>!which repo
10:54<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or
10:54<pwork>guy: I installed the original macromedia flash plugin, but through a wrapper : only available in 32b I believe
10:54<nonamo>clausismus, does the aspire have an existing OS loaded?
10:54<gsimmons>clausismus: And the problem is?
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10:54<InkBottle>the difference between my new and my old dhcp.cong seems to be "option rfc3442-classless-static-routes code 121 = array of unsigned integer 8;" and this: rfc3442-classless-static-routes
10:55<clausismus>i downloaded the lenny-netinstall iso and maked an bootable usb-stick with unetbootin
10:55<clausismus>but the installer want a cdrom
10:55<InkBottle>could it involve problems in the dhclient.cong I gave previously?
10:55<gsimmons>!tell clausismus -about acerone
10:56<clausismus>yes, i have eeeBuntu-base installed
10:56<clausismus>but it's very slowly
10:56<clausismus>i'd like a minimal install of debian, so that i can use selected packages
10:56<guy>how-to for 64 bit flash:
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10:57<guy>it worked for me, anyway
10:57<clausismus>acerone?? what is it?
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10:59<dpkg>The Aspire One netbook is a low-cost laptop PC manufactured by Acer. Models supplied with Linux are shipped with the <Linpus> Linux Lite operating system and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see for installation, configuration and troubleshooting instructions.
10:59<clausismus>ah thx
10:59<gsimmons>clausismus: Follow the installation methods in the wiki page referenced above.
11:00<clausismus>this is what i looked for
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11:01<zxxd>with cdbs-edit-patch should I put raw patch data from running a diff command I dont understand what to put in there if i am editing an existing patch
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11:03<pwork>guy: thanks for link ;) That's what I did too
11:03<pwork>guy : it works good on many sites, but randomly crashes on for example
11:04<guy>hmmmm - so far it hasn't crashed on me - but I don't use flash a whole lot anyway, maybe I'm not a good indicator of how good it is
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11:07<valdyn>64-bit flash works better than nspluginwrapper anyway
11:07<valdyn>( for me )
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11:11<guy>I think it was about 5 years ago, I set out to build a native 64 bit box, and it has taken this long to accomplish the goal
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11:19<pwork>guy: Took you 5 years to install an OS ?? :p
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11:21<guy>took that long for Sun Java to create the support
11:21<guy>Java was the last piece of the missing puzzle
11:22<guy>and, Flash was the next to the last, of course
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11:22<pwork>guy : Good news for Java, I'm still using the 32b plugin hack
11:23<pwork>I checked it a mont ago, and the 64b 'plugin' directory was in the JRE package, but the library was not there : reserved for future use
11:23<pwork>(a month)
11:23<guy>Well, I'm not a real purist at heart, but I did set my goal, and I finally reached it on Ubuntu
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11:24<stew>the 64 bit icedtea plugin is in stable
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11:24<guy>you have to use the JDK package - the plugin is in the JRE subdirectory inside the AMD64 sub sub
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11:24<pwork>stew : Since I work with Java, I prefer fitting with the original Sun version :)
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11:25<LL00>which packages I can get pam modules for ia32 applaications?
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11:25<guy>Places like Runescape give you a crap video interface on icedtea
11:25<LL00>I'm on amd64 and some application need pam module 32bits
11:26<TeXNiK>pls russian debian channell
11:26<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
11:26<stew>LL00: ia32-libs: /emul/ia32-linux/lib/
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11:27<LL00>hum I installed ia32-libs :(
11:27<stew>LL00: what exactly are you trying to do?
11:27<stew>LL00: parhaps you need ia32-libs-dev
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11:28<LL00>I got this error
11:28<LL00>vmware-authd[7360]: PAM [error: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
11:28<anymous>hello, is only debian using /etc/network/interfaces, I mean, if I find this file on a device, does it mean it is debian based?
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11:29<stew>LL00: looks like its looking for a secific file from vmware, try
11:29<stew>anymous: no, many other distros use /etc/network/interfaces
11:30<stew>anymous: try "lsb_release -a"
11:30<LL00>I read that vmware need 32bits pam module
11:30<anymous>stew, thanks, it's a dvb-s receiver, and only busybox running, only a few commands available
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11:32<guy>If you install 64 bit VMWare, it needs no 32 bit libraries
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11:32<LL00>I don't know if there is 64bit VMware
11:32<abrotman>there is also #vmware on freenode
11:32<LL00>I get the tar.gz one
11:32<guy>there is - you can look for a torrent
11:32<LL00>I'm there too
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11:33<anymous>anyways, thanks.
11:33<LL00>vmware server 1.08
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11:33<guy>the 64 bit one is necessary anyway if you wish to install a 64 bit guest
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11:33<stew>guy: a torrent? is vmware freely redistrubable now? or are you suggesting he get a pirated copy?
11:34<LL00>vmware server 1.x and 2.x yes
11:34<guy>I would never suggest such a thing - but it was faster to download via torrent than to download from the official site
11:34<guy>and, yes, I DO have valid licenses, if you're interested. ;)
11:35<LL00>for linux I saw only 1 tar.gz and 1 .rpm
11:35<stew>guy: its still illegal
11:35<guy>that's wrong
11:35<abrotman>guy: no, it's illegal to redistribute it
11:35<guy>that's right
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11:36<abrotman>that's what it means when you torrent it
11:36<guy>downloading it isn't re-distributing lol
11:36<abrotman>(i guess unless is releasing torrents)
11:36<LL00>how you know if there is 64bits?
11:36<LL00>or 32bits
11:36<avu>guy, you don't seem to know how bittorrent works
11:36<abrotman>LL00: this is really a question for #vmware, not #debian
11:37<guy>because I installed it several times already
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11:37<guy>yes, I know how bittorrent works
11:37<abrotman>guy: when you torrent (download) you're also uploading .. you're illegally redistributing it
11:37<guy>and I know that there is a huge grey area between legal and illegal
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11:37<valdyn>illegal in some countries
11:37<pawel>I don't know how to make LPT working, seems like computer does not detect LPT, can someone help me? some data about my computer is at
11:37<valdyn>not per se in europe, for instance
11:37<guy>I also know that RIAA is busy brainwashing everyone to believe that torrents are illegal
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11:38<valdyn>i can legally distribute to friends
11:38<abrotman>guy: you accept a license when you sign up for a key .. it's illegal based on that agreement
11:38<valdyn>definition of friend yet has to be done in court i think
11:38<cahoot>pawel: why not use cups?
11:38<guy>Nope - those "agreements" are coercive, and therefore non-binding
11:38<valdyn>abrotman: eulas also are pretty worthless
11:39<avu>abrotman, (to be anal though, many of those EULAs are at least partially null and void in many countries outside of the USA)
11:39<valdyn>abrotman: in many ports, probably not in the US
11:39<abrotman>valdyn: i'm just saying that you've accepted it .. and that's what it states .. i'm not arguing the legality or enforceability
11:39<guy>fair enough: I readily violate coercive "agreements"
11:40<stew>guy: please don't encourage others to
11:40<guy>or, why not?
11:40<stew>guy: becuase its not appropriate on this network
11:40<Silicium01>Is it possible to setup cron in such way, that it would run a task on computer start if it was unable to run it when it was scheduled? (for example lets say I run it at 11 PM each night, but last night it was turned off, so it would run this morning when I boot?
11:40<avu>guy, you don't know where they live. you may encourage them to break the law.
11:40<stew>and forget the enforcability of a EULA, copyright law is enforcable
11:41<guy>copyright law has been pretty snafu'd as well.....
11:41<stew>if you claim that the EULA is void, then so is any rights you may have had to distribute the software you don't own
11:41<guy>but RIAA and their compatriots are taking a beating in court recently
11:41<stew>what does this have to do with audio?
11:41<guy>you mentioned copyright law
11:41<abrotman>Silicium01: anacron should do this
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11:42<guy>and the audio people are relying on the adulterated copyright laws
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11:42<stew>guy: this has veered way off-topic. please just don't encourage people to pirate softare here
11:42<guy>let's say that people who never attempt to make a single dollar by way of copyright infringement should be safe
11:42<stew>guy: lets not
11:42<Silicium01>abrotman, thanks, that soudns interesting, is it based on cron?
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11:43<abrotman>Silicium01: it's probably already installed on your box .. apt-cache show anacron
11:43<valdyn>guy: they arent safe
11:44<valdyn>guy: they are safe from going to jail, they get cease and desist letters all the time
11:44<LL00><stew> LL00: ia32-libs: /emul/ia32-linux/lib/ <-- stew which debian version?
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11:44<valdyn>guy: and thats bad enough for almost everyone
11:44<valdyn>guy: because those letters cost $$
11:44<stew>LL00: i was looking at lenny, but this is not the library that your software is looking for, it is looking for the unix2 pam module, that just the generic pam interface
11:44<guy>most people are sheep, of course ;)
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11:45<LL00>stew so I should ln -s on this unix2 pam module?
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11:45<stew>LL00: certainly not
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11:49<LL00>what about if I install this package
11:49<LL00>and ln -s on this pam_unix2
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11:49<abrotman>not a good plan .. ask #vmware where that file comes from
11:50<pawel>cahoot: what are cups?
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12:31<serraemeira>Heeeeeeelp guys....I've just installed Lenny KDE in my laptop....but I cannot see my mouse cursors
12:31<serraemeira>Someone could help me?
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12:33<Txt-file>Where can I find a simple tutorial for costomize the LiveCD?
12:33<predator92>does the keybord work fine?
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12:33<serraemeira>And I can click on icons and windows....
12:34<serraemeira>But the cursor has gone...
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12:37<predator92>is you can try to change the design of the cursor, but i don't know wether this will make it visible
12:38<serraemeira>I have just tried this and didnt work
12:40<predator92>then i don't know at the moment, but i have no time to look for more because i have to set up my new cluster
12:40<serraemeira>Maybe something thanks
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12:40<amphi>serraemeira: does 'xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr' make it appear?
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12:47<sandsmark>how can I list all installed packages that isn't available in any available repo ?
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12:48<dpkg>If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. etch->lenny or removing dmm), then you might want to check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Use synaptic or the aptitude user interface and look in the section "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" for a list of them. From the CLI, "aptitude search ~o". Also ask me about <list repositories>.
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12:48<sandsmark>E: Unknown pattern type: o
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12:52<kop>sandsmark : Probably gotta run lenny.
12:52<sandsmark>this is to plan the upgrade to lenny :)
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12:53<kop>sandsmark : Maybe apt-cache would help??
12:53<sandsmark>I found nothing in the manpage
12:53<themill>sandsmark: ~o is lenny only, but the "Obsolete" section in the UI is in etch as well
12:54<sandsmark>ah, thanks
12:54<themill>sandsmark: also /msg dpkg which repo
12:54<abranches>hello everyone. I'm having problems to open some video files, because of the codecs. I added the debian-multimedia repositories, installed w32codecs and some other codecs but it's still not working
12:54<abranches>any help?
12:55<abranches>it says that the codecs could not be found
12:55<kop>abranches : "it"?
12:55<abranches>I also tried with mplayer and vlc
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12:58<amphi>abranches: ffmpeg can deal with many - do you have that installed?
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12:59<abranches>amphi: I don't think so. i'm gonna check it
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13:01<amphi>abranches: mplayer plays wmv here with ffmpeg - I have no w??codecs installed
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13:02<bilbo_pingouin> hello everyone. I have some issues with the wifi config of my EEE PC 901
13:02<abranches>it's working :) I actually tought the w32codecs were needed to play .mov and some avi but I was wrong
13:03<abranches>amphi: thank for the help
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13:03<bilbo_pingouin>I tried more or less all the possible configurations presented on the wiki for the EEEPC
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13:03<amphi>abranches: good-oh
13:03<bilbo_pingouin>I managed to connect to a non-protected network
13:03<bilbo_pingouin>but not to a WPA-2
13:04<bilbo_pingouin>has anyone time to help me?
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13:05<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860>. #debian-eeepc on
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13:05<blacky>print "hello debian guys";
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13:06<blacky>greetings from germany....
13:06<gsimmons>bilbo_pingouin: You've gone through the "Known Issues" section on ?
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13:07<bilbo_pingouin>gsimmons: yes, dpkg: thanks I'll go ask on that chan, then... I have already Debian on it...
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13:09<Silicium01>I only need a read permission to rsync the files from server to my computer right?
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13:10<Silicium01>Is there a way to find all files/dirs in a certain directory reursively where I dont have even read permission and rcyns would have failed to download?
13:11<ml>Silicium01: y don't u setup a cronjob as root
13:12<Silicium01>ml, I'm doing it manually right now
13:12<Silicium01>just need to check if rsync may have skipped some files
13:12<ml>do it as root then it get everything
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13:12<abrotman>Silicium01: why not just chmod -R ?
13:12<Silicium01>ml, agree, but I already started it and there are lot of file (prefer not to restart it)
13:13<Silicium01>abrotman, dont want too restart the operation, just need to check dirs
13:13<ml>if u r u using rsnapshot
13:13<Silicium01>ml, just using rsync
13:14<Txt-file>How can I costomize the LiveCD?
13:14<ml>u should do as root with the -a option is the one that preservers permission
13:14<abrotman>Txt-file: /msg dpkg livecd .. i believe the project website has docs for that
13:15<Silicium01>ml, I will from now on, but this time: or will rsync tell me in the end if it failed to sync some files due to permissions?
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13:15<Silicium01>ml the reason why I dont want to restart the operation is because it's like a half an our job
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13:16<ml>i uderstand Silicium01 but if u keepit the way u have it u will own all the files
13:16<Silicium01>ml, it's a home directory, so it's fine
13:16<Txt-file>abrotman: didn't find something
13:16<ml>the way I suggest keeps permissions intact
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13:17<Silicium01>ml, what if there is no user 'silicium' on local machine?
13:17<ml>if it's the home dir the only thing u should not have permissions is for lost+found
13:17<Silicium01>is it ok to have files with a permission of non existing user?
13:18<Silicium01>ml, I had some files with root permission (from my newbie days)
13:18<ml>yes, but u keep original permission so u can keep track of things unless u don't care
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13:19<ml>yes those will not get copied
13:19<ml>hence do it as root
13:19<ml>with -a
13:19<Silicium01>ml, will rsync tell me which files it failed to copy?
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13:20<ml>i think there is a way let me look
13:20<Silicium01>I will do it as root with -a option if it tells me it failed to sync some files
13:20<ml>it won't if ya do it as root
13:20<ml>oh wait Silicium01
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13:20<Ascavasaion>I am running Ubuntu and on bootup I am seeing this message about six times during screen flashes and resolution changes..."[29.830014] serial8250: too much work for irq3"... when I do a dmesg | grep serial8250 I get about twenty messages similar to the above one. Can anyone help?
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13:21<Silicium01>Ascavasaion, just curious, did you ask in ubuntu channel?
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13:21<Ascavasaion>Silicium01: Yes hehhe
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13:22<avu>Ascavasaion, well, you're wrong here
13:22<media>how do I connect to sidux irc?
13:22<Ascavasaion>avu: what do you mean?
13:22<avu>Ascavasaion, this is #debian
13:22<ml>Silicium01: u can also do it as root to the same dir where u save the original files when u ran rsync as a regular user
13:22<Ascavasaion>avu: Ubuntu = Debian not so?
13:22<avu>Ascavasaion, no
13:22<Silicium01>Ascavasaion, nope
13:22<ml>so it will take up less time
13:23<Silicium01>ml, can you explain please?
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13:23<Ascavasaion>Oh, well.. umm... thanks for nothing.
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13:23<ml>post the command u used Silicium01
13:23<Silicium01>Ascavasaion, it's ok we'll still help you :)
13:23<avu>Silicium01, no we won't.
13:23<Silicium01>avu, lol
13:24<Silicium01>Ascavasaion, do you know why?
13:24<Silicium01>Ascavasaion, do you know why acu wont help you?
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13:24<Ascavasaion>Silicium01: Not aclue.
13:24<ml>Ascavasaion: debian does not = ubuntu
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13:24<avu>Ascavasaion, you're not using Debian. this channel is for Debian support. everything else is off-topic.
13:25<Silicium01>ml, cant get to command I used, still downloading
13:25<Silicium01>ml, one sec
13:25<ml>Silicium01: r u doing it thru a network?
13:26<Ascavasaion>Let me leave then.... bye.
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13:26<Silicium01>ml, yes
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13:26<Silicium01>downloading from vps to local machine
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13:27<ml>now i understand y u don't want to restart, thought they where local machines
13:27<Silicium01>rsync -r -a -v -e "ssh -l silicium" /home/Backup
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13:27<Silicium01>ml, yeah, sorry, I should have mentioned it, didnt want to seem stubborn
13:27<AbsintheSyringe>abrotman, good one ;)
13:27<Silicium01>above is the command I used
13:28<avu>Silicium01, do rsync -av /home/backup instead
13:28<ml>ic u r preserving file permissions
13:28<avu>Silicium01, the -r is implied by the -r, the -e is unneded too
13:28<djc>i have an installed working lenny system. when I set it up, I left some space near the beginning of the drive.
13:29<djc>if I install an (other) system there, it will override the MBA, and then i wont have an easy way to boot back to lenny
13:29<Silicium01>avu, ml, so now I can run same command using root user and it will do it faster? (not update already downloaded files) ???
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13:29<djc>is there an easy/simple way, before I do that install, to make a bootable cd or something that will just put my MBR back?
13:30<avu>Silicium01, use -u
13:30<ml>the -a option -a = -rlptgoD
13:30<avu>Silicium01, rsync has a nice manpage you know :)
13:30<midro>hello, i have a trouble with modprobe ipv6, i need disable it without reboot.
13:30<midro>root@listen ~: # rmmod ipv6
13:30<midro>ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use by sit
13:30<Silicium01>avu, :) ok
13:30<djc>rmmod sit ?
13:30<ml>yes Silicium01
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13:30<midro>rmmod sit
13:31<ml>but u have to wait till it's finished
13:31<midro>root@listen ~: # rmmod sit
13:31<midro>root@listen ~: # rmmod ipv6
13:31<midro>ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use
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13:31<Silicium01>ml, what is -rlptgoD
13:31<djc>possibly some of your if's have ipv6 addresses assigned?
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13:31<djc>why do you need to disable it, anyway?
13:32<midro>setup is corrupted, so i want try again
13:32<ml>that will explain the options
13:32<avu>Silicium01, that's what rsync -a does. read the manpage. :)
13:32<midro>because after module load, i cant start sit0 interface
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13:32<djc>what setup? you shouldnt need to remove the module to reconfigure
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13:32<midro>i want to disable it
13:32<midro>and enable again
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13:33<djc>so use ifconfig to remove ipv6 addresses from interfaces
13:33<djc>having the module loaded doesnt mean its doing anything
13:33<midro>inet6 addr: fe80::21c:c0ff:fe60:ce25/64 Scope:Link
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13:33<midro>i need to remove it ?
13:34<ml>Silicium01: u should also use the options... --delete --numeric-ids --relative --delete-excluded
13:34<avu>ml, and you should learn how to spell "you" :)
13:34<ml>lol avu just lazy i guess
13:34<Silicium01>ml, I will read the man page, thanks
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13:35<ml>Silicium01: is this a one time thing?
13:35<Silicium01>ml, yep
13:35<Silicium01>just need to downlaod to local and then upload to other server
13:35<Silicium01>or downlaod to lcoal and then server to server
13:36<ml>ok ic
13:36<Silicium01>switching hosts
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13:37<ml>wait till it's finnish and do it as root with those options and it will copy everything
13:37<Silicium01>ml cool thanks
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13:37<Guest40>amsn not working on my eee pc
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13:38<ml>np but read the man page to understand what you [avu :P] are doing Silicium01
13:38<__iron>Guest40: what doesnt works ?
13:38<Silicium01>lol, gotcha
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13:39<ml>i'll be around i ya need more help
13:39<__iron>Guest40 i need more informations
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13:39<Guest40>can anyone give me some help
13:39<Silicium01>Guest40, is the eepc from Asus?
13:39<Silicium01>nice little netbook
13:39<Silicium01>what os it it running?
13:40<avu>!doesn't work
13:40<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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13:40<Guest40>what do u mean os
13:40<Silicium01>avu, I love that lol
13:40<__iron>dpkg: hehe
13:40*dpkg laughs so loud it bursts its buffers and everything ends up in bit-buckets
13:40<Silicium01>Guest40, operating system
13:40<Guest40>i dont know
13:41<__iron>Guest310: os == operating system
13:41<Silicium01>then call Asus and ask for customer support
13:41<ml>lol i need to learn these commands for this channel
13:41<Guest40>i have and they couldnt help
13:41<ml>anybody have list?
13:41<Silicium01>ml, I want them too
13:41<djc>Guest310, is it running the software asus put on it or did you put something else on it?
13:41<avu>Guest40, well, this IRC channel you're in now is for support with a specific operating system called Debian. If you're not using Debian, you're off-topic here and we really can't help you.
13:42<djc>if its the sw asus put on it, then what it doesnt or doesnt work is between you, asus, and/or whoever you bought it from
13:42<__iron>Guest40: do you use ubuntu ?
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13:42<fxiny>amphi: XMonad.Actions.WindowBringer :)
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13:42<ml>sup fxiny
13:42<djc>if you are using some other software (other than what it came with), then you'd want to look at the resources for that software
13:42<amphi>fxiny: aye - there are so many tasty things ;)
13:42<fxiny>ml: hey
13:43<amphi>fxiny: I'm back with xmobar again, by the way
13:43<fxiny>amphi: is incredible
13:43<djc>Guest40, is it running the software asus put on it or did you put something else on it?
13:43<saeed>Can I ask a question about sidux?
13:43<fxiny>amphi: xmobar++
13:43<__iron>Guest40: amsn works on my debian
13:43<djc>guest40, the system software,that is
13:43<gsimmons>saeed: No. But you can ask any Sidux questions in #sidux.
13:44<Guest40>how do u get it to work
13:44<ml>fxiny: i read the links, but right now don't feel like learning a new language, not that i know any heh
13:44<djc>if its running the operating system asus put on it, then you'll need to either get help from asus, or from an eee-pc support resource
13:44<saeed>I want to avoid using acpi=off at the kernel start point -what is a replacement for that?
13:44<fxiny>amphi: i'm after fonts , dmenu/xmonad fonts , i can do it with additionalKeys , but i want more
13:44<__iron>Guest40: i just opened a shell
13:44<__iron>and typed amsn
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13:44<abrotman>saeed: fix your bios ?
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13:44<djc>this is neither an eee-pc support channel, or an amsn support channel
13:45<fxiny>ml: i'm not learning haskell (yet) , no need to speak haskell to have fun with xmonad
13:45<djc>if you've installed debian on your eee-pc, then this channel might be of help
13:45<__iron>djc: i think its a debian support channel
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13:45<__iron>and amsn is a part of debian
13:45<saeed>I don not think there is any thing wrong with Bios
13:46<__iron>Guest40: do it works ?
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13:46<djc>__iron, its onl 'part of debian' if he's running debian
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13:46<ml>fxiny: true oh can u explain the difference between xmonad and awesome3, besides the language
13:46<fxiny>amphi: i'm using this fonts with xmobar : Config { font = "-xos4-terminus-bold-*-*-*-*-200-*-*-*-*-iso8859-15"
13:46<__iron>btw Guest40 send a private msg to me maybe i can help you
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13:46<amphi>fxiny: Actions.ConstrainedResize doesn't work quite as I would like :(
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13:46<amphi>fxiny: teh big
13:47<fxiny>amphi: i love magicfocus
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13:47<Guest40>whos said send a message
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13:47<amphi>fxiny: I'm on a 12" 1024x768 panel here
13:47<fxiny>ml: awesome is good for new users , xmonad is pure fun
13:47<saeed>Is there a magic command to use at the kernel start point to replace acpi=off
13:47<ml>fxiny: ic
13:48<amphi>fxiny: smartBorders behaves very nicely
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13:48<fxiny>amphi: magicfocus is for you : you stick windows on the right and resize 'em like vertical tabs . magicfocus will play nice
13:49<xfalt>I need help
13:49<fxiny>amphi: i've seen that smartBorders . not done it yet
13:49<fxiny>ml: have you checked awesome ?
13:50<ml>I read a bit of both
13:50<ml>fxiny: xmonad and awesome3
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13:50<fxiny>amphi: seen maximize ?
13:50<ml>they both seem a like
13:51<xfalt>I don't know how can I do list command in xchat
13:51<xfalt>I used mIRC
13:51<ml>fxiny: but xmonad is more powerful i gather
13:52<xfalt>IS IT /LIST?
13:52<fxiny>ml: awesome is an easy to install and play with wm . xmonad is more configurable . plenty of nice things
13:52<amphi>fxiny: no, I didn't try that
13:52<xfalt>HELP BITCHES
13:52<amphi>fxiny: I run mostly tabbed here
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13:53<amphi>fxiny: draPane is nice
13:53<xfalt>One question please
13:53<fxiny>amphi: yes ! i'm using dragpane and magicfocus now
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13:53<xfalt>This server has one chan?
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13:54<xfalt>Has this server one channel?
13:54<amphi>fxiny: I'll check out magic focus - does that move the focused window to the master pane?
13:54<fxiny>amphi: i've checked 17 differebt layouts . i'm ready for multilayout
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13:54<amphi>xfalt: no, many
13:55<fxiny>amphi: yes . magicfocus does just that
13:55<xfalt>ok, thnks amphi
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13:55<amphi>fxiny: mouse follows focus is an amusing inversion of common wm behaviour ;)
13:56<fxiny>amphi: hehehehe
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13:56<fxiny>amphi: is exactly what i wanted
13:56<ml>can some share the list of commands or this channel
13:56<amphi>fxiny: do you use unclutter? if not, I recommend it
13:57<fxiny>amphi: not yet , what is about ? like avoidStruts ?
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13:57<amphi>fxiny: avoid windows that set hints that they are docks and so on, I believe
13:57<fxiny>good one
13:57<amphi>ie. automatically leave space for them
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13:59<fxiny>amphi: is avoidstruts then ---> myLayoutHook = avoidStruts (magicFocus (dragPane Horizontal 0.1 0.5) ||| Full)
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14:00<fxiny>ml: heheh . i'm sure you are reading :))
14:00<amphi>fxiny: looks right to me, but I'm still fumbling my way through this haskell stuff ;)
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14:00<fxiny>ml: jump on xmonad :))
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14:00<ml>i'm very temped too
14:01<ml>i'm just so used to openbox
14:01<amphi>fxiny: you could slip smartBorders in there too - that would remove borders in Full (if it has them, which I forget0
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14:01<amphi>ml: so was I ;)
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14:02<ml>amphi: a convert ic
14:02<amphi>ml: yes, as of a few days ;)
14:02<fxiny>amphi: yes ? adding it to org-mode right now . i'm totally addicted to emacs org-mode
14:02<ml>nice :0
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14:02<ml>how hard has it been amphi?
14:03<amphi>ml: and filled with the customary zeal of the recent convert ;)
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14:03<ml>lol congrats amphi
14:03<amphi>ml: it's been fun - haskell syntax is quite odd if you're not familiar with it, IMHO
14:03<amphi>ml: there are tons of docs and example configs
14:03<fxiny>amphi: i'm trying to let maximize bringing the focused window in full screen , it does some 90% but is damned nice
14:04<ml>yes fxiny share some with me
14:04<ml>btw thanks fxiny
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14:04<fxiny>ml: you don't need to know haekell to play with xmonad . just jump on it
14:04<amphi>ml: I've not finished yet, by the way - endless tinkering is possible, it seems ;)
14:05*ml thinks fxiny is trying to convert the universe to xmonad, lol
14:05<fxiny>amphi: endless yes ! if awesome is gorgeous xmoand is endless :)
14:05<amphi>heh, indeed
14:06<fxiny>never had such fun
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14:06<ml>well let me get back to reading :P
14:06<ml>ima jumping it seems
14:06<fxiny>ml: but a bit of haskell can help
14:07<fxiny>it was meant for amphi
14:07<fxiny>ml: not you :)
14:07<amphi>fxiny: verily - one will have to learn some, it seems
14:07<fxiny>amphi: i mean , i will get stuck soon or later so i will learn a bit of haskell
14:08<chomwitt>hi. is seahorse and gnome-keyring exclusive in a system , or there could be both (like it seems happening in my debian lenny)
14:08<amphi>fxiny: right
14:08<fxiny>amphi: there is a blog/site on the "5 minute per day" line
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14:08<amphi>fxiny: I already want to fiddle with ConstrainedResize ;)
14:09<fxiny>amphi: fiddle fiddle , and tell me ;))
14:10<abrotman>chomwitt: i have both here .. we already covered this
14:11<petern>hmm, what name was debian 3.0?
14:11<chomwitt>abrotman: sorry but there seems to be two deamons in my system, so its not a simple front-end change.
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14:11<Farhadix>Hi guys, Can send mail between local users by exim?
14:11<abrotman>chomwitt: so use seahorse
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14:12<abrotman>Farhadix: yes
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14:12<Farhadix>abrotman, easy or hard? have pop3 access?
14:12<chomwitt>abrotman: what do u mean use? the gnome apps are using a deamon , not i.
14:13<fxiny>amphi: i have no mod4Mask here : ibm type M clone . so i have to use controlMask , f* hacks ;)
14:13<abrotman>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
14:13<amphi>fxiny: you could make capslock mod4
14:13<fxiny>amphi: yes
14:13<amphi>I've done that
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14:14<fxiny>amphi: emacs is not complaining . yet
14:14<fxiny>amphi: i noticed some screen problems , and i've seen there is someting about screen somwhere
14:15<fxiny>amphi: sometimes when resizing dragpane
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14:16<amphi>what happens? I've seen some ncurses programs misbehave then, without screen
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14:16<ml>fxiny: i'm reading but have quick question... can I use the .gtkrc-2.0 with xmonad
14:17<fxiny>amphi: can't rememember where , i'm sure is a known issue and there is a workaround
14:17<fxiny>ml: you can use xmonad in gnome and kde as a wm
14:17<amphi>fxiny: let me know if you find it
14:17<fxiny>amphi: sure
14:17<media>hi all
14:17*ml likes pretty icons
14:18<amphi>ml: gtk progs will use their themes etc. as normal, if that's what you mean
14:18<fxiny>ml: not a single icon here :)
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14:18<ml>yes amphi
14:18<amphi>icons are the devil's work
14:18<ml>for like iceweasel fxiny
14:18<amphi>damn, my pork chili is maturing nicely
14:19<fxiny>ml: dmenu or do your keybinding
14:19<Silicium01>I'm reading man rsync and cant seem to find the mention of remote to remote transfer... am I missing something?
14:19<amphi>should be 'ready to serve' an a matter of days ;)
14:19<fxiny>ml: do you know dmenu ?
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14:19<amphi>dmenu works very well
14:19<ml>no fxiny
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14:20<ml>what does it do
14:20<amphi>generates a completing program menu from your $PATH
14:20<fxiny>ml: is a smart menu :)
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14:21<fxiny>something avu and zsh users like
14:21<ml>with openbox i just use obmenu or edit the xml file by hand
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14:22<amphi>ml: for keybindings to launch commands, you mean?
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14:22<ml>yes the rc.xml
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14:22<ml>oops not commands
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14:23<ml>just regular keybinds to luanch apps
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14:23<fxiny>ml: dmenu is a dwm goodie : install dwm-tools for it
14:23<fxiny>dwm is coded in c
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14:23<ml>ic ima need to read up on dmenu
14:24<amphi>ml: right; you can do the same in xmonad, if you want, or just use dmenu
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14:26<fxiny>amphi: today i've upgraded my vserver to lenny . guess what ? one more perfect upgrade :)
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14:26<fxiny>some monir config editing
14:26*dpkg waves a finger in the air. "Yay."
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14:27<ooter>hey does anyone know if debian wille ver have a prebuilt grsecurity patched kernel available?
14:27<ml>ic amphi
14:27<ooter>er, will ever
14:27<ooter>I found out if you make your /tmp noexec, grsecurity even stops the ld trick from executing anything
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14:31<fxiny>amphi: pork chilly ? i watched dodeskaden today , kurosawa masterpiece , there was some weird cooking like that :)
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14:32<amphi>fxiny: you might like
14:33<fxiny>amphi: hahaah
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14:42<pitecantropus>good after noun
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14:42<Morpheus>hi all
14:43<pitecantropus>hi Morpheus
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14:44<pitecantropus>is there a way to install a program in another file system? other than /
14:44<pitecantropus>sounds very easy but i didnt want to try it and mess up
14:44<dutchy>pitecantropus: you can compile the source of a program as user and run it as that user.
14:45<fxiny>/usr/local /opt . which program ?
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14:45<pitecantropus>any ... my root fs is almost full
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14:45<fxiny>so check lvm2
14:45<pitecantropus>php + mysql ... are plenty heavy
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14:46<egiambalvo> hello .. I am looking for some help with my ftp server, I am a beginner debain / linux user
14:46<pitecantropus>-/usr/local/ -> are in / who is almost full
14:46<pitecantropus>--- .... /usr/local/ -> are in / who is almost full
14:46<fxiny>same for opt
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14:47<dutchy>pitecantropus: in that case, you may want to either do what fxiny says or look at /var/cache/apt/archives or so and see if there are files there you can delete
14:47<dutchy>there are many other files you can delete as well
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14:47<pitecantropus>i see
14:47<dutchy>yeah, but locales aren't usually that big
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14:47<fxiny>locale-purge package
14:48<dutchy>but the archives are
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14:48<dutchy>also, /var/log can have big files
14:48<pitecantropus>but .. then programs cant be installed on another file systems ..
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14:49<dutchy>pitecantropus: you can move things....
14:49<dutchy>ie: mount /var from another partition
14:49<pitecantropus>right! course
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14:49<dutchy>so copy all of /var to another place, then change fstab to mount that place to /var instead and remove the old /var
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14:49<pitecantropus>right now my others partitions are read only
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14:50<pitecantropus>yes! could be
14:50<ml>fxiny: ima switch to xmonad, at very least give it a try
14:50<dutchy>then the original question is moot.
14:50<mti>i don't get eth1 configurated on clusterknoppix for a home cluster. ( reconfiguring network interfaces...eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device // is my network card not compitable?? can anybody help??
14:50<fxiny>linux is smarter then windows : instead of you installing in another fs lvm2 brings the space/fs where you need it
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14:51<fxiny>ml: try awesome first to practize , just two packages , remember dmenu dwm-tools
14:51<pitecantropus>lvm2??? hope it comes with debian standard packages
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14:51<ml>fxiny: i will start on it tomorrow, thanks for pointing me in this direction:)
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14:52<fxiny>ml: np
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14:52<ml>fxiny: i rather start with xmonad
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14:53<ml>i'll practice with xmonad
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14:53<fxiny>ml: be prepared : hard to give up , is like tetris ...
14:54<ml>fxiny: ok, but hopefully that won't happen
14:54<Silicium01>I thoulg have gzipped the folder, 3 gb downloading for 2 hours...
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14:55<fxiny>ml: me amphi and you are heading to wm-rehab :P
14:55<ml>Silicium01: much longer to go?
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14:56<Silicium01>about 800 mb to go ml
14:56<ml>fxiny: if u r around be willing to help me out
14:56<ml>Silicium01: the secaon pass should be much faster
14:56<ml>Silicium01: let me know how it goes
14:57<Silicium01>ml, yep will let you know
14:57<ml>ok cool
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14:57<Silicium01>ml, is there a way to time things other than staring at the clock?
14:58<ml>Silicium01: make sure u say my nick in the channel or I won't notice
14:58<Silicium01>perhaps some linux command?
14:58<Silicium01>ml, gotcha
14:58<ml>Silicium01: yes don't stare at the clock :)
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14:59<Silicium01>ml, windows XP habits...
14:59<Silicium01>am I glad I'm done with it though lol
14:59<ml>good to hear that
14:59<Silicium01>so many years waisted... I didnt know
14:59<kernix>hey, quick question. I'm downloading a file through a program, and I want to know which file it's downloading. how can I see the full link of the file? using netstat -p tcp doesn't give me the full link, only there server
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15:00<ml>most of us have being there Silicium01
15:00<Silicium01>kernix, shouldnt the 'program' tell you that?
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15:01<Farhadix>Hi again, why this command does not work? if test "`du -sh /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep -o \"[0-9.]*\"`==1"; then echo "Not Yet"; else "Time to fly"; fi
15:01<kernix>Silicium01, that would make the life much simplier indeed, it doesn't. Only say that it download 2GB file.(it's a wiki-offline program, it download the dump of wiki)
15:01<Farhadix>it only print Not Yet,
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15:01<weasel>Farhadix: what is it supposed to do?
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15:02<Silicium01>weasel, I guess "time to fly? " lol
15:02<Farhadix>if archives size take more than 1 print Time to fly
15:02<weasel>takes more than 1 what?
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15:02<Farhadix>1 gig
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15:03<Silicium01>Farhadix, look at the output of yourown command, what does it output?
15:03<Farhadix>I can't explain well,
15:03<weasel>if [ "`du -sm /var/cache/apt/archives | awk '{print $1}'`" -gt 1024 ] ; then echo y; else echo n; fi
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15:03<Silicium01>Farhadix, what does du -sh /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep -o \"[0-9.]*\" output?
15:03<Silicium01>is it 1 ?
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15:03<Warp4>good afternoon all
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15:04<Warp4>finally got around to installing Debian 5 on my laptop :)
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15:04<Silicium01>Farhadix, if it's one it's printing right
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15:04<Silicium01>Warp4, well done
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15:04<Farhadix>prints right, but does not work
15:04<weasel>it prints crap
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15:05<weasel>it can't possible work sanely when you pass -h to du
15:05<Warp4>Silicium01, yeah 4 doesn't like the Vostro for some reason, but 5 works fine (granted i had to get the drivers for the internal wifi adapter, but using that now <G>)
15:06<Silicium01>Warp4, what's Vostro?
15:06<fxiny>du -sk ?
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15:06<Silicium01>Warp4, nvm, googled
15:06<Pitxyoki>Does anyone know how can I see when was the last time apt did an update?
15:06<Silicium01>Warp4, just wondering, when you bought the laptop, did it come with Windows?
15:06<Pitxyoki>...or how can I know when is it scheduled to update again?
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15:07<weasel>Farhadix: and how do you know if these are kilobytes, megatbytes, gigabytes or terabytes?
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15:07<Warp4>Silicium01, yeah it did.
15:08<Farhadix>now it's gigabytes
15:08<Silicium01>Warp4, I wonder what is the price someone pays for OS when they buy a laptop with windows on it, so like I wonder how much you paied for that windows copy...
15:08<Warp4>heh yeah
15:08<weasel>do not use du with -h
15:08<weasel>-m will work. or no option
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15:08<Silicium01>Warp4, does Dell offer same hardware without OS?
15:08<Warp4>Silicium01, this is my second laptop. the first one was a redneck NASCAR one they actually put a blank hard drive in and sold me without windows.
15:09<Silicium01>Warp4, did they give you a discount for doing that?
15:09<Warp4>Silicium01, i believe only if you order the computer from them directly, but don't quote me on that. heh, ive even had OS/X 10.4 running on this Vostro for a while.
15:09<Warp4>Silicium01, on my first laptop, yes, they did.
15:09<Silicium01>Warp4, if it's no secret, what was the difference between non OS and windowze one?
15:10<Warp4>different hard drive
15:10<Warp4>both laptops came with windows preinstalled
15:10<fxiny>is is "vostro" ain't mafia , mafia trademarked "nostro" :P
15:10<Warp4>they took the hard drive with windows as well as the license sticker and put a clean drive in (and actually upgraded to a bigger hard drive for about $10.00 more)
15:11<Silicium01>Warp4, at least there is choice :)
15:12<Warp4>well for that laptop, yeah :)
15:12<Warp4>Silicium01, so yeah, im runnig 3 virtualized Deb5 based 'servers' and this laptop :)
15:12<Silicium01>Warp4, beautiful
15:13<Silicium01>I got one up mysqlf, 5.0 ticking like a swiss watch :)
15:13<Warp4>Silicium01, unfortunately, they dont make a Linux client for GuildWars so have to have at least one 'Doze machine in the apartment :)
15:13<pitecantropus>os/2 warp ... what a system ... used on computer cashiers
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15:13<Warp4>pitecantropus, and ATM machines
15:13<Warp4>and BBSes :)
15:13*Warp4 still runs a BBS
15:13<pitecantropus>that that one
15:13<pitecantropus>atm ---> means?
15:14<Silicium01>Warp4, oh, i even converted my brother and he quit playng games and is learning how to model in Blender...
15:14<Farhadix>why this print y ?!!!!
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15:14<Warp4>pitecantropus, ATM = Automated Teller Machine
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15:14<pitecantropus>right right ... i used to work on them ... around them
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15:15<pitecantropus>they got an x.25 protocol to comunicate with the router
15:15<Silicium01>Warp4, every user counts, I am trying to have all my coworkets switch to Debian :)
15:15<Warp4>Silicium01, but yeah, if I have to use windoze on this laptop, i have vmware workstation installed :)
15:15<abrotman>Farhadix: ask #bash
15:15<pitecantropus>interesting stuff
15:15<Silicium01>Warp4, me too, for some rare ie7 website testing
15:15<abrotman>Farhadix: #bash on
15:16<Farhadix>abrotman, I had a discussion about this with weasel
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15:17<mibman>Hello everyone. Was wondering if anyone can help me solve a startup/ package reinstall problem.
15:17<mibman>It's just that my computer is giving me the "logged out in 10 sec" problem.
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15:18<mibman>And I lenny can's start up normally.
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15:19<mibman>The error message says that seahorse-agent fails to load because it can't load the shared dependency
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15:19<mibman>It says: cannot read from data: invalid argument.
15:20<richard>Hi, this is a newbie to debian lenny, need some help with flash sites and iceweasel
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15:20<richard>how do i install flash player with apt-get?
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15:20<mibman>Richard: You don't have to do it like that man.
15:21<mibman>There's a much simpler solution, and it doesn't involve the command line either.
15:21<richard>mibman: so how is it done then?
15:21<mibman>Go to the adobe website,
15:21<mibman>and download the zip file there of flash I think.
15:21<mibman>Oh, wait,
15:22<mibman>the tar.gz file I mean.
15:22<mibman>Just untar it,
15:22<mibman>copy the file from inside,
15:22<fxiny>richard: i'm using dmm flashplayer-mozilla
15:22<dpkg>dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>
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15:23<fxiny>but i'm sure there is a thread about it in a mlist
15:23<fxiny>no time to read it
15:23<mibman>and paste it onto an iceweasel directory. Lemme check the directory.
15:24<mibman>replace standard with your user name.
15:24<mibman>That's it.
15:24<richard>mibman: oke, i'll give it a try! thanks man!
15:25<mibman>No prob. Come back if it doesn't work or something.
15:25<dutchy>mibman: that's the hard way, the easier way is fxiny's way, enable the repo, then just apt-get install it.
15:25<fxiny>yes , and volatile mlist "flashplugin-nonfree in Debian"
15:26<mibman>I think it's the pretty easy way. Well, back in the time when I was a new migrant to linux, all the apt-get/ synaptic/ repo stuff was just so foreign.
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15:26<mibman>The unzip and copy paste onto a specific folder was pretty straighftorward,
15:26<dutchy>mibman: the sooner one gets used to used to the linux way, the easier it becomes later
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15:27<dutchy>I should say the debian way
15:27<dutchy>not linux way
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15:27<fxiny>the problem with flash are versions , last atrope version was not working in etch ending in breakage , dmm takes care of this
15:27<mibman>Yeah. But it was really a pain back then. I had no idea what a repository was. No idea how to use one, etc.
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15:27<ooter>even just knowing debian pretty well now, I can jump between fedora or opensuse and learn the basics fairly easily
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15:28<mibman>It took me several hours just to setup up synaptic, etc.
15:28<fxiny>but is flash goes to volatile i might use volatile
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15:28<dutchy>mibman: well, linux is different, so yes, it is a learning curve
15:28<ooter>what exactly is volatile?
15:28<dutchy>fxiny: brave man
15:28<dpkg>volatile is, like, a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free
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15:29<mibman>I've never really used etch, so I couldn't comment about that.
15:29<fxiny>dutchy: lazyness is a bliss ;)
15:29<ooter> : \
15:29<mibman>Never had flash problems with lenny though.
15:29*dutchy has no problems with flash from dmm
15:29<fxiny>mee too
15:29<dutchy>but it does break from time to time on upgrade
15:30<dutchy>but that depends on which version of debian you're running
15:30<cliffbreaker>hi everyone. Can't get my webcam ID 0ac8:307b work though module gspca is installed and driver is registered on plug-in and /dev/video0 file is created. Can anyone please help?
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15:33<fxiny>i am a long time Marillat/dmm user and volatile , botha rea in my sources , but there is this thread about "policy conflicts" so i will wait to see what comes
15:33<fxiny>both are*
15:33<fxiny>no resources for foss flash
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15:36<mibman>I think I use dmm for the wmv codecs. And several players I think. I'm not too sure. Great place though.
15:37<fxiny>years after years of good debs , read mplayer
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15:37<mibman>Yeah. I like smplayer. It plays wmvs for me.
15:37<mibman>I don't know why, but VLC only has sound coming out.
15:38<mibman>When playing wmvs I mean.
15:38<zem_>mibman: have you debian-multimedia repository?
15:38<Warp4>ok is anyone using skype under the amd64 version of lenny?
15:38<mibman>zem: yep.
15:39<zem_>mibman: that's your problem with vlc
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15:39<zem_>mibman: broken codecs in debian-multimedia
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15:40<mibman>zem: Oh. Hmm. Thanks for the heads up. SMplayer plays 'em fine, so no problem there really.
15:40<zem_>mibman: it's problem with vlc/debian afaik, everything else should work just fine
15:41<mibman>Noooo! Stupid libsoup. Now my SMplayer doesn't work too.
15:42<mibman>zem: Would you have any idea how I can fix my VLC? Looks like I'll be needing that other repo.
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15:43<mibman>zem_: Hmm. But if it's a debian/vlc problem, I guess I'm just out of luck then.
15:43<mibman>Oh well.
15:43<zem_>well... i fixed it by removing debian-multimedia repository and then downgrading all packages it upgraded
15:44<zem_>but i didn't use the repository again, so i don't know if it just upgraded my packages on regular update or because of some dependecies
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15:46<mibman>Hmm. Maybe I should just have to pass on vids for now. I've only attempted downgrading once and it wasn't very pleasant nor the attempt very successful. Haha. Thanks anyway.
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15:46<zem_>mibman: yeah, it wants to remove gnome and some other packages
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15:47<mibman>zem_: Yeah. Very scary. When I was new, I remember ending up removing gnome while installing stuff. The day after I woke up to a black command line only interface. Man.
15:49<mibman>Although after all the initial learning, Debian runs really nicely. You just have to get through that initial hump.
15:49<petern>black command line interface?
15:49<petern>that was what we aimed for when i started...
15:49<zem_>well, i just told him to downgrade all (3 i think) packages it upgraded, and then to reinstall all the others he wanted to remove
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15:50<mibman>petern: What do you mean? Turn the gnome terminal black?
15:51<tcsetattr>I wonder if people would have a less horrified reaction to seeing a text console if the default background color was something else. is it just "white text on black background" = "think of MS-DOS, scream and run"?
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15:51<petern>there was no gnome..
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15:53<mibman>zem_: honestly man, my current motto the less I tinker with installation/ config files/ stuff I don't understand yet, the better. I'll just have to make do with no vids for now.
15:53<petern>although there was this new windowmaker that looked a bit like afterste
15:53<zem_>tcsetattr: yeah, i'm with you, green background with big white friendly "Dont panic" would help :)
15:53<mibman>petern: Man, that must have been a long long time ago.
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15:53<petern>'97. i'm a relative 'noob'
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15:54<mibman>That was a LONG time ago. Haha. I've just been acquainted with Debian and Linux last December.
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15:56<fxiny>horrified ? they can switch to "blue text on blue background" :P
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15:57<zem_>or white on blue... that would be unpleasantly familiar
15:57<ooter>that would make a great login screen actually :D
15:57<fxiny>i have no mercy :P
15:58<tcsetattr>ah, the smooth blues of the C=64
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16:00<tcsetattr>to change your default (on a single VC): setterm -background blue -store
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16:00<mibman>Sorry to be off topic guys, I was wondering if anyone has any clues regarding "force reinstallation?". I want to force reinstall a problematic package.
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16:01<mibman>It won't install itself because it can't make "backup links" or something.
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16:01<ooter>apt-get install --reinstall something
16:01<amphi>mibman: forcing is usually a bad idea - what is the exact error message?
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16:02<fxiny>mibman: is your / full ?
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16:02<mibman>Well, that it can't install because of the fact that it can't make backup links.
16:02<mibman>I still have 2 gigs of space.
16:02<mibman>It's really confusing me.
16:02<mibman>I've tried synaptic, aptitude, apt-get, etc.
16:02<mibman>no avail.
16:03<fxiny>mibman: is df showing a funny fs ?
16:03<themill>mibman: exact error messages helpful; /msg dpkg bat
16:03<fxiny>i had an accident last week
16:03<mibman>themill: I'll go try that command
16:03<fxiny>a full / while upgrading
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16:04<fxiny>then df showed some "overflow" and all my scripts dumping in /tmp abouting
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16:05<fxiny>upgrading to lenny with a 2.5 / is asking too much :)
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16:06<fxiny>could not let the f* "overflow" out , i rebooted
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16:07<mibman>Sorry for the wait guys, here's the error message:
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16:07<mibman>E: /cdrom//pool/main/libs/libsoup2.4/libsoup2.4-1_2.4.1-2_i386.deb: unable to make backup link of `./usr/lib/' before installing new version
16:07<fxiny>df --> overflow /tmp
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16:07<mibman>fxiny: I'm actually currently using gnome failsafe,
16:08<Silicium01>rsync -av /home/user/backup <- is this the right way to rsync and update local backup direcotry?
16:08<djc>which has nothing to do with full disks
16:08<mibman>fxiny: At startup Debian was sayign something about a faulty installation or disk drive full.
16:08<Silicium01>ml, are you around mate?
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16:08<djc>mibman, thers your problem then
16:08<fxiny>mibman: seen ? type df and check
16:08<djc>df will show you whats full
16:08<fxiny>mibman: that s* overflow it goes away when rebooting
16:09<mrbucket>i'm trying to get dovecot to dump core because i'm trying to troubleshoot a trap divide error; i have no idea how to get 'ulimit -c unlimited' over to the processes that dovecot spawns. should i put it in the init script, or..?
16:09<mibman>djc: Full disk?
16:09<fxiny>but anything playing wioth /tmp can't work , that was my experience last week
16:09<djc>mibman, "<mibman> fxiny: At startup Debian was sayign something about a faulty installation or disk drive full."
16:09<mibman>fxiny: Only the cd rom drive seems to be full. All other disks still have space apaprently.
16:09<djc>sounds like you've got a full parititon
16:10<tcsetattr>for really mysterious cases, df -i
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16:10<djc>paste output of df -h somewhere
16:10<ml>sup Silicium01
16:10<fxiny>mibman: i did have space as well some 350MB but df showed a funny "overflos" fs eitn tmp mounted on it
16:10<Silicium01>sync finished about to launch another "proper" one with -u and root
16:11<fxiny>overflow with /tmp mounted on it
16:11<Silicium01>just wanted to double check, is this syntax ok:
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16:11<ml>Silicium01: -u??
16:11<Silicium01>rsync -av /home/user/backup
16:11<Silicium01>ml, -u as in update
16:11<djc>Silicium01, man rsync
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16:11<Silicium01>djc, id that, read it. but get errors
16:11<djc>what errors?
16:12<ml>Silicium01: wait one sec
16:12<bighornram>greetings, I'm running squeeze, had to install an older version of gdesklets to avoid a current bug. How do I prevent apt-get from upgrading the gdesklets package when I do an upgrade?
16:12<Silicium01>djc, rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1220) [sender=3.0.3]
16:12<mibman>df -h
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16:12<cahoot>bighornram: put them on 'hold'?
16:13<djc>Silicium01, that looks like a bug, or something.. not something wrong with your invocation
16:13<fxiny>i stopped the upgrade , cleared /var/apt/cache but then i noticed my scripts dumping in /tmp aboriting . checking df for tmp i noticed this "overflow" fs (?)
16:13<djc>mibman, ok, the only real fs you have is /, and its 80%
16:14<fxiny>and i cowardly rebooted :)
16:14<fxiny>i was -d upgrading , so the system was fine
16:14<Silicium01>rsync -avu /home/user/Backup <- will this update backup folder on lcoal machine with data from site?
16:14<ml>Silicium01: use -n option to test
16:14<mibman>fxiny: I've rebooted multiple times really, it still isn't clearing up. Although I really think this isn't a disk full problem.
16:14<Silicium01>ml -avun ?
16:15<mibman>I mean, at the start-up, seahorse-agent won't load.
16:15<Silicium01>ml ok
16:15<mibman>something about "error while loading shared libraries"
16:16<mibman>and then it mentions /usr/lib/libsoap-2.4
16:16<djc>mibman, sounds like something is seriously hosed with your installation
16:16<fxiny>mibman: i'd try removing the offending package , just simulate : aptitude -s purge
16:17<fxiny>is it removing gnome ?
16:17<djc>if this is a new installation, id wipe erase and start over.. if its an existing setup with personal info on it, id try to copy your personal files to other storage, and do the same thing
16:17<mibman>djc: Yeah. That's what I'm thinking too. I'm trying to force reinstall the package.
16:17<tcsetattr>mibman, enable bootlogd so you'll have a record of all the crap that goes wrong during boot
16:17<mibman>fxiny: Yep, I've checked a while ago, it removes a lot of stuff.
16:17<Silicium01>ml, dry run showed this:
16:17<mibman>Let me check again with your command though.
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16:18<fxiny>mibman: i don't use apt-get anymore . i only do aptitude installs
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16:19<fxiny>i could be wrong but 3 out of 3 aptitude perfect backups are not a joke
16:19<bighornram>cahoot: thanks!
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16:20<ml>hmm Silicium01 one sec
16:20<fxiny>different configurations , bpo+dmm+volatile repos , vservers , very good upgrades
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16:21<fxiny>anf fonts ! this time fonts are good . no more sarge2etch s* fonts problems
16:21<ml>Silicium01: u did as root?
16:21<Silicium01>ml, yep
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16:22<ml>how files r owned by root?
16:22<Silicium01>ml, I guess regular user did downlaod everything
16:22<Silicium01>ml, how many are owned by root?
16:23<ml>looks like it, u probably saved those files as a regular user
16:23<ml>*files i menat
16:23<Silicium01>ml, lot of them were owned by root, but other users had read access
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16:23<Silicium01>ml, usualy other users have read access right?
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16:24<ml>normarly no
16:24<Silicium01>ml, well.. if say I create a file with nano test
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16:25<ml>u own it not root
16:25<Silicium01>it creates a file with -rw-r--r--
16:25<ml>yes i think ur right
16:25<Silicium01>which means everyone can read it
16:25<ml>let me try
16:25<mibman>sorry guys, I was referring to the wrong file I think. It's libsoUp not libsoap.
16:25<mibman>And, yeah, it takes down gnome too.
16:25<mibman>If I remove it that is.
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16:27<ml>yes ur right forgot bout that
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16:27<mibman>I'm really hoping for just a reinstall of the offending package since I already have quite a number of files in my installation, but if it can't be fixed, I'll guess I'll just have to live without it.
16:27<mibman>Or rather, just live with it.
16:27<Silicium01>ml, that soudsn like a security threat to me
16:27<ml>so u should have everything except that one file
16:28<Silicium01>ml, for a while I used to use shared hosting, so I guess users with enough linux skill could have read all my files!
16:28<ml>yes heh
16:28<Silicium01>ml, omg, wow
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16:29<Silicium01>ml, only now do I realize how scary it is to "run" a site on shared server and not have a clue about security
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16:30<ml>well they could only read the files not modify them
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16:30<ml>but yes shared server is not good unless u trust them
16:30<Silicium01>ml, yeah, but I ahd some mysql password files in my dir
16:30<Silicium01>ml, brb
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16:32<ml>amphi: did u try awesome before xmonand?
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16:32<amphi>I played with it briefly
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16:32<amphi>I messed about with wmii for a bit too
16:32<amphi>but xmoand seems a lot more fun
16:33<ml>ya will to help me out if u r around?
16:33<ml>great :0
16:33<amphi>I've used if for a couple of days now ;)
16:33<amphi>so, a more expert guide could not be desired
16:33<ooter>wmii is the shizzle
16:34<ooter>once you get used to it
16:34<ml>ima try it and most likely switch to xmonad
16:34<ml>tomorrow :)
16:34<amphi>in the fullness of time...
16:35<ml>if thers a tomorrow
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16:38<ml>amphi: xmonad will work better for me since, I use mainly term apps and iceweasel would like to have them side by seamlessly
16:39<mibman>I'm off guys. Enjoy.
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16:40<amphi>ml: tiling will be nice for you;possibly dragPane also
16:41<ml>with openbox
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16:43<ml>< amphi> ml: tiling will be nice for you;possibly dragPane also
16:43<ml>what u do mean?
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16:43<amphi>openbox doesn't dotiling; dragPane is an xmonad extension
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16:44<ml>just realised that heh
16:44<ml>after a google search
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16:44<ml>what does < amphi> ml: tiling will be nice for you;possibly dragPane also
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16:45<ml>what does dragPane do?
16:45<ml>is it dragPane or dragPanel?
16:45<amphi>the former
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16:46<ml>ok searching
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16:47<ml>amphi: just reading the same page thnxs
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16:50<ml>amphi: this what u mean?...
16:52<amphi>that's just two windows in a tiled layout; dragPane allows you to adjust the relative sizes with the mouse
16:52<amphi>there are also keybindings to do it, but dragPane is handy at times, and finer grained
16:53<ml>amphi: what is the difference without using dragpane
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16:54<amphi>no mouse control of relative sizes; also shrinking/enlarging the master pane is done in larger increments
16:55<amphi>'ic'? you find that disgusting?
16:55<ml>no what u mean?
16:55<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
16:56<amphi>oh, I understand - a horrid shorthand ;)
16:56<ml>you are the second person to do :P
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16:59<ml>amphi: where can i get a list of this channel commands?
17:00<petern>4 year old comics? i dunno...
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17:00<panv>what is the path to my java runtime ?
17:00<panv>where is my java runtime installed ?
17:00<panv>please somebody guide me.
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17:01<PhrostByte>google "how to find files in linux", panv, i'm sure there is something that would have saved you time coming here.
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17:01<ooter>find /usr -type f -name 'java*'
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17:02<panv>what is the path to my java runtime >?
17:03<ml>read up panv
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17:07<panv>sorry, i had a bad connection... now i got the messages ml
17:07<ml>Silicium01: get lost? heh
17:07<ml>np panv
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17:08<Silicium01>ml, I was out just returned :)
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17:08<Silicium01>ml, sorry did you write to me?
17:09<ml>Silicium01: thought u fell into ahole
17:09<Silicium01>lol :)
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17:09<Silicium01>back and on track again :) continuing the backup, the mysql turn now :)
17:09<ml>just wondering how things are going
17:09<Silicium01>ml, so far so goo
17:10<ml>Silicium01: you restrict read permissions to files or folders
17:10<ml>if you want
17:10<Silicium01>ml, yep, I really dont need to now, since not on shared hosting any more
17:11<ml>ok cool
17:11<ml>well atleast now you now bout permissions
17:11<Silicium01>ml, oh yeah, couldnt leave without it :)
17:11<ml>Silicium01: did you redo it as root?
17:12<Silicium01>ml, yes
17:12<Silicium01>only .bash_history updated , as I had made some changes
17:12<ml>Silicium01: didn't take long correct
17:12<Silicium01>5 sec
17:12<ml>ok cool
17:12<Silicium01>it's awesome
17:12<ml>well now you basics of rsync
17:13<Silicium01>ml, thanks for all the help, really appreciate it
17:13<ml>no problem glad to help
17:14*ml not a guru but tries to help on what he knows
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17:15<ml>Silicium01: gl setting up your new server
17:15<Silicium01>thanks! :)
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17:15<ml>Silicium01: may I ask what is doing/
17:15<ml>server that is
17:15<Silicium01>ml, I dont need luck, just need man pages and cool guys like ones in #debian ;)
17:15<ml>heh :)
17:16<Silicium01>ml, webserver, some svn repos and mysql, regular web developer stuff
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17:17<ml>for your website?
17:17<Silicium01>ml, yes
17:18<ml>personal or professional
17:18<Silicium01>small client websites, nothing seroius
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17:19<ml>Silicium01: leave ya to setup your server i'll be around
17:20<Silicium01>ml, ok, chat later ;)
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17:39<unknown>hello all
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17:42<knoppix__>anyone know how to get usb mouse/keyboard working in knoppix 5.1
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18:18<grummund>hi, any experts here that could help explain the build structure of a kernel module source package (alsa-source) please?
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18:19<grummund>i'm trying to add a kernel module to that .deb but when i re-build the package it skips past my module
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18:31<Tuplad>hey! I've inserted an usb stick in my computer but something went wrong and it f'd up. error was "different physical/logical endings". I removed the partition of 2gb and added a new one, w95 fat (lba). but now I can't get it working at all. could anyone give a hint on what to do ? :}
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18:33<tcsetattr>after you add a partition you need to create a filesystem on it. have you done that?
18:33<Tuplad>tcsetattr: I suppose I did, how do I check :}
18:34<tcsetattr>try running file -s /dev/whatever
18:34<Tuplad>tcsetattr: fdisk -l gives: System W95 FAT32 (LBA)
18:34<Tuplad>tcsetattr: /dev/sdb: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows XP MBR, Serial 0x13220e5; partition 1: ID=0xc, active, starthead 1, startsector 62, 3913130 sectors
18:34<tcsetattr>now try file -s /dev/sdb1
18:35*Tuplad fails.
18:35<Tuplad>tcsetattr: /dev/sdb1: data
18:35<tcsetattr>so you need to mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 or something like that.
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18:36<Tuplad>tcsetattr: that didn't work out, but thanks, I'll google on it :)
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18:38<Tuplad>tcsetattr: isn't it mkdosfs ?
18:38<tcsetattr>same thing, as far as I know
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18:39<Warp4>Tuplad, what is this partition to be used for?
18:39<Tuplad>Warp4: file storage
18:39<Tuplad>Warp4: but the stick isn't mine, so I have to return it in the same state it was :p with a fat32 partition.
18:40<Warp4>oh now that sucks
18:40<tcsetattr>what did mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 tell you?
18:40<Tuplad>it didn't tell anything
18:40<Tuplad>I can't make it work :\
18:40<tcsetattr>then it worked! file -s /dev/sdb1
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18:40<tcsetattr>there's an old unix rule: No News Is Good News. if the command didn't complain, it must have worked.
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18:40<Tuplad>tcsetattr: no, I get "no such file or category"
18:41<Tuplad>tcsetattr: file gives: /dev/sdb1: data
18:41<Tuplad>tcsetattr: tried mkfs -t vfat -c /dev/sdb1 but it's the same as mkfs.vfat
18:41<Warp4>Tuplad, are you able to mount the stick?
18:41<Tuplad>Warp4: no
18:41<Warp4>when you tried what error message did you get?
18:42<tcsetattr>do you have dosfstools installed? does /sbin/mkfs.vfat or /sbin/mkdosfs exist?
18:42<Tuplad>Warp4: tried mounting ?
18:42<Warp4>Tuplad, yeah, telling debian that the usb stick is available for use
18:42<Tuplad>tcsetattr: whereis mkfs: mkfs: /sbin/mkfs.ext4 /sbin/mkfs.ext4dev /sbin/mkfs /sbin/mkfs.cramfs /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /sbin/mkfs.ntfs /sbin/mkfs.minix /sbin/mkfs.bfs /sbin/mkfs.ext2 /usr/share/man/man8/mkfs.8.gz
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18:42<Warp4>tcsetattr, i dont think he wants to format the stick
18:42<Tuplad>tcsetattr: guess I don't have dosfstools installed
18:42<tcsetattr>you need to apt-get install mkdosfs then
18:42<Warp4>im assuming he already has a filesystem on it
18:42<Tuplad>tcsetattr: doesn't exist
18:43<tcsetattr>Warp4, he already mangled the original partition table...
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18:43<Warp4>tcsetattr, oh, then that could be a problem (read my scrollback)
18:43<Tuplad>Warp4: I can't get it mounted, it says "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
18:43<tcsetattr>apt-get install dosfstools that is
18:44<Tuplad>installed dosfstools and mkfs.vfat works :)
18:44<Tuplad>it's busy :}
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18:45<Zap>I'm brazilian....
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18:46<Guest69>tem algum brasileiro aqui?
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18:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:47<Tuplad>damn, it didn't work out
18:47<Tuplad>got this: mkfs.vfat: failed whilst writing reserved sector
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18:49<Tuplad>tcsetattr, Warp4, you've got any ideas maybe ? :o
18:49<Warp4>Tuplad, was there any data on this drive originally?
18:50<Tuplad>Warp4: yes, but I started deleting and then the problems started
18:50<Tuplad>Warp4: a bunch of anime
18:50<Tuplad>Warp4: nothing important
18:50<Warp4>hmmm if i were a betting man, id say you were screwed
18:50<Tuplad>files don't matter, I just want to get the stick working
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19:04<jpinx>Tuplad: umount it, repartition it, remount it, remake the fs
19:04<Tuplad>it already worked out :)
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19:05<Tuplad>what I find weird now is that it says 452mb is in use :O
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19:05<jpinx>what fs did you create?
19:05<Tuplad>W95 FAT32 (LBA)
19:05<Tuplad>same as before
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19:06<jpinx>and you created this fs in linux?
19:07<jpinx>go back to umount and repartition and then format it in a windows box
19:07<Tuplad>alright :)
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19:07<jpinx>filesystems appear IME to like being made by their own OS
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19:08<Tuplad>true story
19:09<Tuplad>thanks all!
19:09<Tuplad>I'm out :)
19:09<jpinx>Tuplad: you might even try partitioning it in Wondws
19:09<Tuplad>jpinx: I will :)
19:10<jpinx>go od luck ;)
19:10*Tuplad waves
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19:12<memnon>Oh, jpinx is here, too ;)
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19:13<jpinx>amateur, but everywhere ;)
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19:14<metho>anyone here know how to get rid of gdesklets entries from bottom taskbar.
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19:19<jpinx>fly-by questioning :)
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19:36<Silicium01>what's the command to list all users?
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19:37<dondelelcaro>Silicium01: there isn't a universal command to do that, though usually getent passwd; is good enough
19:38<Pitxyoki>Or users.
19:38<Pitxyoki>Issued by root.
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19:43<ooter>you could always look at /home too
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20:32<mrbucket>a million iptables guides are telling me "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" to allow established connections. I get a "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" when i do it, and im having trouble figuring out why..
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20:36<Steven_M>hi all
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20:39<Steven_M>did I format my sources.list correctly:
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20:40<Txt-file1>Steven_M: looks good but I would comment the cdrom out
20:42<seriouslycgi>does anyone know how i can fix video playback on lenny? it just crashes any video application, and i can only get it to play with mplayer -vo x11 which is ok for short term
20:42<Txt-file1>seriouslycgi: how does it crash? any failures?
20:43<seriouslycgi>X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)1.0% 17 0 is what mplayer spits out without the -vo x11 options
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20:44<Txt-file1>vlc tested?
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20:45<mrbucket>can anyone help me with a stupid iptables issue?
20:45<seriouslycgi>yeah it plays audio only
20:45<seriouslycgi>totem crashes mplayer errors from command line
20:46<Steven_M>Txt-file1: Thanks. Are the volatile lines ok too?
20:46<Txt-file1>Steven_M: looks so
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20:48<Steven_M>thanks again Txt-file1 :)
20:48<chomwitt1>how is it possible package gnome-keyring not to depend on package 'libgnome-keyring'?
20:48<Txt-file1>Steven_M: np
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20:49<Txt-file1>seriouslycgi: did you take a look to the 540 google results? just searched with your pasted error
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20:49<seriouslycgi>yes thats how i came to know mplayer options
20:50<seriouslycgi>but it doesnt fix the problem
20:50<seriouslycgi>i had about 20 tabs open
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20:50<mxldr>are debian users smarter than ubuntu users?? are they more 1337?
20:50<seriouslycgi>i thought maybe it was a common issue?
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20:51<seriouslycgi>ubuntu users are debian users mxldr
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20:53<Txt-file1>seriouslycgi: looks like someone resolve his problem with X11 error: BadAlloc
20:53<seriouslycgi>thanks ill check i tout
20:53<seriouslycgi>it out
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21:10<ringo999>anybody using rtorrent with a webinteface? which one are you using? I tried to install wtorrent but non success...
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21:32<k9>am from france and i try virtuaserver whith ubuntu
21:32<k9>gr8 ^
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21:32<k9>am on vista64 ans thx to us
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21:33<k9>tou l'monde s'en tape
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21:35<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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21:35<amphi>mais pas pour ubuntu...
21:36<k9>oh c'est un débian-like
21:36<amphi>!ubuntusmite k9
21:36*dpkg takes away all the CO2 in the air around k9 and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!"
21:36<k9>bien sur!!
21:37<amphi>k9: meilleur #ubuntu sur
21:37<k9>nono je ne fais pas de pub
21:37<k9>j'aime ce canal
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21:38<k9>480 secondes
21:38<k9>pas mal
21:38<Txt-file>!kick k9
21:38*dpkg kicks k9 in the ass.
21:38<k9>cé direct ici
21:39<k9>chui francais vzetes racistes?
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21:39<k9>ca pue en fait ^
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21:44<jiminy>How can I tell which video driver I'm running? I've installed amd64 testing.
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21:45<Txt-file>!tell jiminy about xorg.conf
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21:45<nnnn>hola a todos
21:45<nnnn>como puedo hacer para que los programas no se me instalen desde el cd
21:45<nnnn>sino desde los repositos de internet
21:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:46<jiminy>Txt-file: I've already looked there; it doesn't have any information about the driver. (I'm trying to work out which of the open-source ATi drivers is actually running. I can tell from aptitude they're both *installed* . . . )
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21:47<nnnn>es castellano
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21:47<Txt-file>jiminy: you must insert it
21:47<Txt-file>Driver "radeon" under Section Device should do it
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21:48<jiminy>Txt-file: ?! I'm trying to find out what *is* running, not change it.
21:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:49<Txt-file>ok ... didn't get it ... but for this I have no idea but I think that vesa is running
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21:50<prahal>Txt-file: no . Newer X autodetect
21:50<prahal>jiminy: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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21:50<jiminy>prahal: Cheers. Will have a look.
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21:51<jiminy>Found it. Thanks, all.
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21:54<goodtime>hmmm the strangest thing has accured
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21:55<amphi>oh no
21:55<goodtime>the external hdd i formatted and mounted to linux as media has changed back to ntfs lol
21:55<goodtime>and it works better
21:55<goodtime>now wtf does this meen idk
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21:56<amphi>is it just the partition type, or the fs?
21:56<goodtime>it even says i have no permissions on it but i download to it and i play stuff read books etc etc
21:57<prahal>goodtime: beware than low to middle range corruption render ntfs parition garbage
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21:57<amphi>'file -s /dev/whatever' says what?
21:58<goodtime>well i have the fstab opened up
21:58<goodtime>and it ssda1
21:58<prahal>I tried it for compatibility reasons and kept an ext3 on the same drive . When corruption happened (and it happens often on ecternal drives) guess which one I became fond of
21:58<amphi>goodtime: what does 'file -s /dev/sda1' say"
21:58<goodtime>so should i do anything
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22:00<goodtime>freakin weird stuff lol
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22:01<amphi>what says it's ntfs?
22:01<goodtime>naw just uhhh ext2
22:02<goodtime>no format indecated
22:02<amphi>did you run the command I suggested?
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22:02<goodtime>oic hang on
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22:04<goodtime>hmmm that file says linux system
22:04<goodtime>file data ext2
22:05<Silicium01>Is there any other place, other than /etc/hostname where the hostname is stored?
22:05<amphi>so where are you getting this ntfs business from?
22:05<Silicium01>ok good
22:05<goodtime>the properties in my file manager
22:05<avu>Silicium01, you should also edit /etc/hosts to reflect changes you make to the hostname in most cases though
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22:06<Silicium01>avu, good point, but not sure if I have any records in there., let me check
22:06<amphi>goodtime: what does 'fdisk -l' say about the partition type?
22:07<Silicium01>avu, should I change the autogenerated line in /etc/hosts?
22:07<Silicium01>it's like ip and then my username
22:08<Silicium01> username
22:08<avu>Silicium01, that's not a username, it's a hostname
22:08<Silicium01>avu, it's same as my username, should I leave it?
22:08<goodtime>says its linux
22:08<avu>Silicium01, if that'sthe same as your username, that's entirely coincidental
22:08<avu>Silicium01, it should reflect your hostname..
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22:09<Silicium01>ok, I will alter it then
22:09<avu>Silicium01, if your hostname ist the same as your username, it's correct. otherwise it isn't
22:09<Silicium01>avu, cool, that means it's incorrect
22:09<Silicium01>avu, just one question
22:10<Silicium01>by hostname you mean or just host
22:10<adb> hostname is local name
22:10<prahal>anybody uses tcpd and have logs in /var/log/daemon.log . It seems it is muted or broken for me
22:11<Silicium01>adb, I've put in /etc/hostname
22:11<Silicium01>Is that correct?
22:11<adb>not good
22:11<goodtime>you guys are way beyond me lol
22:11<Silicium01>adb, so it should be just host?
22:12<adb>in /etc/hosts is ok
22:12<adb>usually only "localhost"
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22:13<Silicium01>adb, what should I have in /etc/hostname?
22:13<Silicium01>this certainly consuses me, would be great if I could sort it out
22:15<Silicium01>Ok, let me state this in it's entirety and maybe someone can answer. I ahve a server setup on vps. I have registered a domain name "" and want the machine's hostname to be "grudge". what should I put in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname ????
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22:17<kop>I've got a python script that's calling os.fork(). If I don't os.wait() in the parent then the children become zombies. Is there something I can do besides wait that keep the zombies away? I don't want the parent to block.
22:18<avu>kop, you can call wait nonblocking
22:18<tcsetattr>you can do a non-blocking wait() or you can do a wait() after you get a SIGCHLD, or you can just set the SIGCHLD to SIG_IGN
22:18<kop>Silicium01 : It does not matter what's in /etc/hostsname. What matters is what's in DNS. (mostly) I always put the unqualified hostname in /etc/hostname, but others like the fully qualified hostname.
22:18<avu>kop, also, #python on freenode is probably a better channel for such questions
22:19<kop>avu: Right.
22:19<Silicium01>kop, example: would be qualified and test would be unqualified?
22:19<kop>tcsetattr : I've not done a lot of forking. I'll rtfm.
22:19<kop>Silicium01 : yes.
22:19<kop>Silicium01 : All the machines everywhere on the net will see only what's in DNS.
22:20<Silicium01>kop, so it's ok if I put in /etc/hostname ?
22:20<kop>Silicium01 : Yes.... Although I've reasons why I use unqualified hostnames, I've forgotten them.
22:21<Silicium01>kop, what goes into /etc/hosts then?
22:21<Silicium01>I just need to properly setup this machine
22:21<kop>Silicium01 : On second thought, maybe I always use fully qualified hostnames in /etc/hostname....
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22:21<kop>Silicium01 : If dns is right you don't mess with /etc/hosts.
22:22<Silicium01>kop, my debianw as setu before I had dns configured so I need to set this file up right
22:23<kop>Silicium01 : It can have just localhost in it, although it usually has the unqualifed and qualified hostnames pointing to the machine's IP.
22:23<Silicium01>machine's real ip or ?
22:24<kop>Silicium01 : The real one, or leave the name out of /etc/hosts entirely.
22:24<Silicium01>kop, currently in hosts file there is my real ip, followed by my username, I doubt that's what it should be, so i will set it to my real ip and unualified and qualified
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22:24<Silicium01>kop, if I set /etc/hostname to, should I have dns record or is dns record enough?
22:25<kop>Silicium01 : (You will then need to use dig to debug dns problems because /etc/hosts will interfere with the local resolver.)
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22:25<kop>Silicium01 : Usually people want
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22:34<oipunx>should I use ext4?
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22:34<oipunx>has there been any problems with it?
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22:47<Silicium01>what do you do to change your name server on debian?
22:47<Silicium01>can I just edit /etc/resolv.conf ?
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22:48<Silicium01>amphi, you got to be kidding me... I spent last 2 days trying to find out how to do it, people were giving me instructions to edit network interfaces etc... and apparently it's that simple?
22:49<Silicium01>amphi, do all devies, software on my machine use resolv.conf?
22:49<Silicium01>btw, noone mentioned resolv.conf I just stumbld upon some forum entry online
22:50<kop>!tell Silicium01 -about grounding
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22:51<amphi>Silicium01: yes
22:52<kop>Silicium01 : You need to mess with the interfaces file if you want to pick up your nameserver from dhcp. (I think.) Otherwise, resolv.conf is fine.
22:52<amphi>Silicium01: I personally find it worth running dnsmasq, a caching dns forwarder, but YMMV
22:53<amphi>kop: dhclient will do that automatically by default, I think, unless you specify not too in its config (as I do, as my nameserver is
22:53<kop>Silicium01 : You should be going to the manuals at (or the wiki) for answers and not taking random advice off the web. The other people to ask questions are the people who wrote the particular software your working with -- their project site/lists/irc/etc.
22:54<amphi>Silicium01: installing the debian reference might be a good move
22:54<Silicium01>kop, agree, it's just sometime it takes ages to dig for simple answer and irc is faster
22:54<Silicium01>amphi, is that a standalone package in apt?
22:54<kop>amphi : I prefer bind. Just because it's everywhere and will do everything. I don't want to have to learn 2 tools. (Although as it happens I do use dnsmasq for special purposes.)
22:54<amphi>Silicium01: yes
22:55<Silicium01>ok thanks guys
22:55<amphi>kop: dnsmasq is nice and simple; for me, bind would be taking a sledge hammer to a gnat ;)
22:55<kop>Silicium01 : Irc is ok. It's just those random web "forums" that are extrainous. (sp)
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22:55<amphi>although I did use bind for this before I discovered dnsmasq
22:56<kop>amphi : I often want split horizon. Hence bind.
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23:04<amphi>kop: split horizon?
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23:11<kop>apmhi: Different zones for the same domain served to different networks. E.g. Some names visible only on the LAN but not the net.
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23:15<kop>amphi : Actually, dnsmasq will do that, IIRC. But it doesn't secondary and so forth and just isn't worth mucking with for my regular uses.
23:15<adb>masu3701: wrong channel
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23:17<masu3701>adb: i just install xchat? how do i register
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23:18<amphi>kop: uhuh
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23:41<dmoerner>what is the difference between openjdk-6-jdk and cacao-oj6-jdk
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