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00:04<amphi>enouf: great, just what I need to hear after fiddling in gconf-editor - thanks for nothing
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00:04<enouf>dpkg: give amphi some XML registry love
00:04*dpkg gives amphi some XML registry love
00:05<nsa_fiend>enouf: have you found that selinux interferes with any applications
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00:05<amphi>enouf: a tie ;)
00:05<enouf>nsa_fiend: not tried - have you?
00:05<nsa_fiend>nope. just reading the wiki now.
00:05<nsa_fiend>think i'm going to though
00:06<enouf>amphi: heh - (dpkgbot tie :-P)
00:06<vonsp>does anyone know how to fix gnome-session hanging up after last upgrade on squeeze ?
00:06<nsa_fiend>enouf: recommend?
00:06<jaque>I don spik english!!!
00:06<amphi>vonsp: I don't use gnome, despite appearances to the contrary ;)
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00:07<enouf>nsa_fiend: work with what you know, and read and test yourself
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00:08<vonsp>jaque, fen spik da ork!
00:10<jaque>Vou pegar um dicionário!!!!
00:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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00:15<blast_hardcheese>Hey all, I've got a strange (possibly udev) related question
00:15<blast_hardcheese>When I type 'mount' I see that /dev/sda1 is mounted on /, but I don't have a /dev/sda1, only /dev/hda1
00:16<blast_hardcheese>The reason this is irritating me is because I have a bunch of sata disks I'm going to be adding to this machine, but I don't want any confusion as to which disk is which, since this'll be a fileserver
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00:17<blast_hardcheese>dmesg has nothing in it about /dev/sda
00:17<blast_hardcheese>only hda
00:19<goodger>blast_hardcheese: what version of debian are you using? hda was obsoleted... ages ago :S
00:19<blast_hardcheese>goodger: Lenny
00:20<blast_hardcheese>I haven't done anything strange, this is a fresh install, completed a couple minutes ago
00:20<blast_hardcheese>and it's referring to my PATA drive as hda
00:20<blast_hardcheese>Same thing with Etch
00:20<stew>goodger: hda was obsoleted? what do you mean?
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00:21<goodger>stew: was "hard disk" hd and "scsi disk" sd not replaced with "storage drive" sd?
00:22<goodger>that's what I heard from a fedora guy when I installed FC5 and found that hda had mysteriously become sda
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00:22<stew>goodger: its up to the individual driver. but general sd is for scsi and libata, hd is what ide drivers use
00:23<tcsetattr>the "hd" names have the advantage of corresponding to the physical location of the drives so you can know which one is which and they don't change names as long as you don't mess with any cables and jumpers
00:23<goodger>stew: the disk in question was ide; never mind
00:23<stew>goodger: perhaps whatever driver you were using swithced to libata
00:23<goodger>maybe FC switched to libata in FC5
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00:24<tcsetattr>the "shove everything under sd" cabal has been trying for years to ridicule away the belief that stable physical-location-based names are desirable; they've not completely succeeded
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00:28<blast_hardcheese>oh, I feel silly. I forgot to check fstab
00:29<blast_hardcheese>fstab lists / as /dev/sda1, but since I'm passing root=/dev/hda1 in grub the kernel arg probably takes precedence
00:29<Steven_M>is supported by debian?
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00:36<Steven_M>is there any way of using the aptitude -t function from the aptitude gui?
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00:41<stew>Steven_M: is not officially supported by debian, however it is run by debian developers and most of the packages are prepared by debian devlopers. debian might officially start providing its own backports sometime in the future though
00:43<Steven_M>stew: ok thanks, I hope they do soon
00:44<kop>Steven_M, stew: Mee too. I'm dying for it. (There were tasty hints in the lenny release documents iirc.)
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00:44<stew>we'll hopefully get an official sdn first
00:45<kop>stew: sdn?
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00:45<dpkg>[snapshots] an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information.
00:46<kop>stew : I'd /msg-ed dpkg myself, but still don't get it.
00:47<stew>kop: sdn attempts to archive every verson of every package ever in unstable
00:47<Steven_M>stew: great :) I want flashpugin non-free. but I'm too scared to use unoffical backports
00:47<kop>stew: For some reason now I get it. You want that (for some reason) before an offical backports. Ok.
00:48<kop>Steven_M : has it's own signing key, if that's what's worrying you.
00:48<stew>Steven_M: you should use the backports, note that flashplugin-nonfree is nothing but a downloader. it just downloads the same crap from adobe that you could get for yourself, or that an official downloader would download
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00:54<Guest521>howdy world
00:54<Guest521>dont folks talk here?
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00:55<Guest521>what was that?
00:55<amphi>Guest521: some spaces
00:55<blast_hardcheese>amphi: Bah. You're no fun.
00:56<amphi>you were scaring the gentle user of knoppix
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00:56<Guest521>im a lot of fun just ask my gal :-)~
00:57<Steven_M>stew: kop ok, is it normal to get the signing key from the backports repo itself, or should the key be in the main repo?
00:58<stew>Steven_M: whether or not it should be in the main repo was discussed at length, and it was not included
00:59<stew>Steven_M: the instructions page on shows you a few different ways to get it
00:59<Steven_M>stew ok
00:59<Steven_M>stew: thanks again :)
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01:06<able>Mar 11 12:55:38 able modprobe: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/dkms, it will be ignored in a future release.
01:06<able>Mar 11 12:55:38 able modprobe: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist, it will be ignored in a future release.
01:06<able>Mar 11 12:55:38 able modprobe: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/display_class, it will be ignored in a future release.
01:06<able>Mar 11 12:55:38 able modprobe: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS, it will be ignored in a future release.
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01:06<blast_hardcheese>that's too funny, debhelper providing administrative functions.
01:09<goodger>blast_hardcheese: that's what it's for
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01:17<blackstar>is anyone proficient in grub + OS X issues?
01:18<blast_hardcheese>woo chain0
01:19<blackstar>fun stuff
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01:21<blast_hardcheese>I'm glad I could be of assistance. I'm going back to food.
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01:22<blast_hardcheese>that was interesting.
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01:30<Steven_M>stew: one more question is flashplugin-nonfree, likely to be included r2 of Lenny?
01:31<stew>Steven_M: no. it changes too frequently to be part of a stable release
01:31<stew>Steven_M: and you should not in general expect a released version of debian to get new packages
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01:32<stew>except perhaps for newer hardware support
01:33<Steven_M>stew: ok just wondered.
01:33<stew>it seems like it would be a good candidate for volatile
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01:34<Steven_M>stew: indeed, it's not in there though
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01:39<Steven_M>stew: if I do get flashplugin-nonfree from backports, is there a of insuring that it's only package obtained from backports, and that any dependancies come from the main repo?
01:41<stew>Steven_M: since backports is setup as a non-automatic repository, you'd only get packages from there if either you request a package that is only on backports, or if you explicity request a version from backports
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01:49<Steven_M>ok, so if I do "aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree" no dependancies will come with it?
01:50<Steven_M>@ stew
01:51<k1lumin4t1>Steven_M, that package has no dependencies anyway
01:52<Steven_M>k1lumin4t1: ok sorry, sorry stew
01:52<stew>judd: depends flashplugin-nonfree --release lenny-backports
01:52<judd>stew: flashplugin-nonfree -- Depends: debconf | debconf-2.0, wget, gnupg, libatk1.0-0, libcairo2, libfontconfig1, libfreetype6, libgcc1, libglib2.0-0, libgtk2.0-0, libnspr4-0d, libnss3-1d, libpango1.0-0, libstdc++6, libx11-6, libxext6, libxt6, libcurl3-gnutls
01:52<stew>it does have dependencies
01:52<k1lumin4t1>Steven_M, nothing to be srroy about
01:52<k1lumin4t1>it does, yes
01:53<k1lumin4t1>my mistake
01:53<k1lumin4t1>I was thinking on something else
01:53<k1lumin4t1>who's judd?
01:53<k1lumin4t1>can I sing a song to Judd?
01:54<k1lumin4t1>heeeeeeeeeeyy judd (8)
01:54<stew>k1lumin4t1: a bot which is hooked up to a database of availalbe packages from a few different repositories
01:54<k1lumin4t1>well I'm going to do as basshunter
01:54<k1lumin4t1>and write a song to judd
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01:57<Steven_M>stew: so sould Intall all those dependancies manually from the main repo first and then install flashplugin-nonfree from backports?
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02:05<Steven_M>all those typos
02:06<Steven_M>stew: I mean "so should I Install all those dependancies manually from the main repo first and then install flashplugin-nonfree from backports?
02:06<k1lumin4t1>Steven_M, not at all
02:06<k1lumin4t1>Steven_M, aptitude is smart
02:08<Steven_M>I know it's just that I don't want too many packages from backports on my system
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02:29<streuner_>is nonfree stuff at all on bpo?
02:31<gsimmons>streuner_: Yes.
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02:34<stew>Steven_M: /msg apt pinning
02:34<stew>streuner_: yes, and note that flashplugin-nonfree is free software
02:36<streuner_>well, the name itself is strange then :-)
02:37<streuner_>nonfree = free
02:38<stew>it install the nonfree flashplugin
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02:43<Mahalo>Howdy... anyone working with Lenny and Virtualmin?
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02:46<Mahalo>How about Lenny, Dovecot, Postfix? Logwatch isn;t sending mail to root...
02:46<Mahalo>that is
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02:46<jm_>mail for root is typically sent to another user
02:46<Mahalo>checked mail.log
02:47<Mahalo>things look like they are sent...but they aren't there...
02:47<jm_>postfix log would have more details about it
02:48<Mahalo>lemme check... I'm pretty sure I did yesterday but nothing like the present,
02:48<jm_>(unless it uses syslog only, not sure, I use exim)
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02:49<jm_> When Postfix does not receive or deliver mail, the first order of business is to look for errors that prevent Postfix from working properly:
02:49<jm_> % egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file | more
02:49<jm_>from its README
02:51<Mahalo>Yeah, looks like postfix' logs are getting piped into mail.log
02:52<Mahalo>testing I see all of my attempts, I see failed virtuals from my virtual domains... let me take a closer look.
02:53<Mahalo>Thanks, be back in afew
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02:59<Mahalo>There's no root in /var/mail
03:02<Mahalo>I've got some searchin to do. See ya later. Thansk anyhow
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03:03<killabeez_>hey everyone got my debian install up and working
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03:03<killabeez_>just had a question or two - is there a walkthrough on installing ATI drivers for the 4870?
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03:06<killabeez__>Hey everyone just got my debian install working, can someone link me to a howto on installing the proper ATI drivers for my card?
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03:07<Mahalo>What version of...
03:09<killabeez_>Mahalo, i just need a basic howto, its the new ati 4870 card
03:10<EmleyMoor>What tools, other than hal-disable-polling, can be used to control the polling of a DVD drive?
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03:14<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>., #ati @ See also <radeon>.
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03:30<Steven_M>!apt pinning
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03:32<Steven_M>if only gnash did a better job
03:35<Steven_M>stew: /msg apt pinnig didn't work, sorry
03:36<dpkg>APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache>, or
03:36<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
03:37<Steven_M>reneger: thanks
03:37<jm_>Steven_M: next time try this instead -- /msg dpkg pinning
03:38<Steven_M>jm_: ok
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03:58<Steven_M>now for a completely different question: is the pakage iceweasel placed in volitile, so that soon after firefox realeses a new version, there is a new version of iceweasel for lenny?
03:58<jm_>it isn't on volatile
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04:02<Steven_M>jm_: so that means there won't be a new version of iceweasel for stable untill squese becomes stable correct?
04:02<jm_>Steven_M: there will be - security updates, and in rare cases packages also get upgraded in stable, but don't count on it
04:03<jm_>in fact fixes from firefox 3.0.7 should be available soon
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04:05<Steven_M>jm_: so I shouldn't upgrade to testing just to keep up with firefox?
04:05<jm_>Steven_M: naah, security updates will be available for stable
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04:09<Steven_M>jm_: ok thanks :) bere in mind that I'm not complaining about anything, I love debian. Just asking questions a new comer.
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04:11<jm_>Steven_M: yeah, otherwise when firefox 3.1 comes it's quite likely the package will be available on backports
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04:13<Steven_M>ok :)
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04:51<flip>Hello, I'm trying to get fglrx-driver installed, as radeonhd is a bit slow... but I get "broken packages". (
04:51<flip>Any ideas?
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04:53<jm_>flip: that's a bit odd, 7.4~5 is >= 7.1.0
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04:56<jm_>maybe try aptitude why
04:57<jm_>or try installing without recommends
04:59<jm_>looks like somehing has a '=' dependency on that version or somesuch
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05:11<flip>jm_: "aptitude why fglrx-driver" gives me this:
05:11<flip>i fglrx-kernel-src Depends fglrx-source
05:11<flip>i A fglrx-source Suggests fglrx-driver
05:11<flip>Does that help?
05:12<flip>I tried to trace that a bit ...
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05:12<flip>but after seeing xserver-xorg-video-4 and similar depends I gave up.
05:13<flip>I looked at google, too
05:13<flip>but got no hint
05:15<jm_>flip: did you try installing it without recommends?
05:15<flip>How does that work?
05:15<flip>I'll search for it, thank you
05:15<flip>BTW, module-assistant for the kernel module isn't happy either
05:15<jm_>!tell flip -about apt recommends
05:16<flip>because fglrx-driver isn't installed yet
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05:16<flip>Thanks, but I only got "!tell flip..." ;-)
05:16<jm_>!apt recommends
05:16<dpkg>Since lenny, APT installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want this, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf, or as a one-off, you can: apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name, or set the APT::Install-Recommends option to false. Understand that by not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality from the packages.
05:17<flip>Aha ... #489896 - "apt-get -f install" should not install Recommends
05:17<jm_>it msg-ed you the text, must be in another window
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05:17<flip>second try worked, thanks
05:17<flip>I'll try that ...
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05:18<flip> xserver-xorg-core: Conflicts: xserver-xorg-video-2
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05:19<jm_>ahh that's more like it
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05:19<flip>ii xserver-xorg-core 2:
05:19<flip>un xserver-xorg-video-2 <keine>
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05:21<flip>Package: xserver-xorg-core
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05:22<Torsten_W>flip: apt-get purge xserver-xorg-video-all
05:22<flip>Conflicts: xserver-common, ... xserver-xorg-video-2, xserver-xorg-video-4
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05:22<flip>Then my X won't work anymore, right? So I should logout ... but then I'll have no IRC anymore.
05:23<flip>Bye ;-/
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05:23<jm_>you seem to have X from experimental
05:23<jm_>perhaps some components can't be installed due to pinning
05:24<jm_>so it tries to use 7.1
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05:24<flip>Yes, as suggested on the pkg-kde.alioth site for KDE4
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05:25<flip>apt-get purge xserver-xorg-video-all: Package xserver-xorg-video-all is not installed, so not removed
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05:26<flip>You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: unmet dependencies:
05:26<flip> fglrx-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64: Depends: fglrx-driver (= 1:9-2-2)
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05:27<Torsten_W>flip: dpkg -l | grep xorg
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05:30<flip>Still the same ... fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0)
05:30<Torsten_W>flip: purge all xorg-packages, install then the needed packages from experimental
05:30<flip>I did install all xorg from experimental, about 3 weeks ago ... I'll try.
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05:30<Torsten_W>flip: btw, xserver-xorg-wacom is not installable with xorg-server 1.6-rc
05:31<flip>Currently reinstalling ...
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05:31<flip>Thanks, but I don't need wacom ... Seems to have been the regex which installed that
05:32<flip>Reinstalled: fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0)
05:33<flip>dpkg -l :
05:33<dpkg>ii : 2.3-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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05:34<Torsten_W>flip: fglrx does not work with xorg-server 1.6
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05:35<flip>Sorry, do you mean 1:7.4? I don't know about 1.6?
05:35<flip>aha, the core ... 1.5.99
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05:37<flip>But going back isn't such a good idea ...
05:38<Torsten_W>using experimental-packages is also not such good idea
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05:39<flip>Well, it's a matter of trust ;-)
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05:43<flip>Well, thank you very much!
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05:48<mans9k>hi i need help in compiling kernel on lenny
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05:49<jm_>why are you compiling a kernel?
05:49<mans9k>the stock is slow for me
05:50<jm_>and you think self compiled kernel will be magically faster?
05:50<mans9k>and the proc is getting overheated, i am running lenny on turion 64x2, cpufreq is enabled for ondemand mode
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05:51<jm_>self compiled kernel will not help
05:51<mans9k>i hope it to be, in addition, it does not recognize my wlan card jm)
05:51<jm_>mans9k: which wlan card? it won't be faster
05:51<mans9k>what can be the solution to manage the overheating. jm)
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05:52<jm_>mans9k: well seeing as it's turion it's probably a laptop, so one can't say install better cooling - force it to run at lower frequencies I guess
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05:55<mans9k>i tried compiling a kernel, ran make-kpkg kernel_image, dpkg -i kernel, did not get mkinitrd, so used yaird
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05:55<jm_>self compiled kernels often don't need/have support for initrd
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05:56<mans9k>after i reboot i get error saying some driver for sata is unable to load
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05:56<mans9k>it tries to get the driver from /lib/modules/2.26.1 even though the latter version is 2.6.28
05:57<jm_>just use lenny kernel, your own kernel will not be any better
05:57<mans9k>lenny kernel has no support for my wlan device
05:57<mans9k>atheros 5xxx
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05:58<jm_>it does
05:59<mans9k>sorry it is atheros ar928x wireless lan
06:00<jm_>what's its pci id? use lspci -nn
06:00<mans9k>06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002a] (rev 01)
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06:02<gsimmons>mans9k: Your device is supported by the ath9k driver.
06:02<dpkg>methinks ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. Included in mainline kernel since 2.6.27-rc3. Ask about <wireless tree> to acquire for earlier kernels (only possible for 2.6.26 at this time). For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170> or <otus>.
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06:02<gsimmons>mans9k: At least, with respect to kernel 2.6.28. You can try using a trunk kernel; /msg dpkg trunk kernel
06:03<mans9k>whats a trunk kernel gsimmons, sorry for these novice questions, but i am new 2 debian, been using slack
06:03<mans9k>module ath9k not found :(
06:03<Steven_M>does anyone here use gnash?
06:04<gsimmons>!tell mans9k -about trunk kernel
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06:11<mans9k>what is the difference between linux-headers-amd64 and linux-headers-all-amd64
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06:22<mans9k>if i install this new kernel from the website can i dual boot into old kernel
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06:26<mans9k>but i see in the bugs of this kernel, ath9k does not work,
06:26<mans9k>how can i get ath9k working with this stock kernel
06:26<mans9k>it seems that upgrading kernel in debian is a real bad idea,
06:27<jm_>it isn't
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06:27<mans9k>oh well, i compiled myself and it does not work
06:28<jm_>that's why you were told to use the trunk kernel
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06:29<mans9k>and could you tell me how could i install a custom kernel
06:30<jm_>it depends on how you build it - using make-kpkg means you install it with dpkg
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06:30<mans9k>yes i installed with dpkg
06:31<mans9k>and later ran yaird
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06:31<jm_>you don't need to run that manually, it's done when the kernel is installed
06:31<daniel>where would I ask the following Q...I need a trur upstream test on my server
06:32<mans9k>is it necessary to have initrd image for custom kernels?
06:32<daniel>someone with at least 200 kb/s downstream
06:32<jm_>no, it's not necessary
06:32<jm_>!tell mans9k about initrd
06:33<jm_>!tell mans9k -about norootfs
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06:35<mans9k>well should i try removing the initrd line in the grub config and reboot
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06:36<jm_>you should inspect your kernel config - if support needed for mounting / is modular then that won't achieve anything
06:37<mans9k>can you please explain , i do not understand the latter half of ur sentence jm_
06:37<jm_>mans9k: did you read what dpkg told you?
06:37<jm_>that's the same thing I said
06:38<jm_>(the nonrootfs factoid)
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06:40<mans9k>well i guess the problem is that i had configured xfs as a module, whereas it should have been inbuilt, i am rebuilding the kernel now, lets see...
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06:42<daniel>no....really really nice people nice people willing to test my upstram, only take a second
06:43<daniel>sorry about the studder
06:44<jm_>mans9k: bingo
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06:45<mans9k>jm_, instead of using make-kpkg, if i use :make, make modules, make modules_install routine , is it ok?
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06:50<urbinek>hello there
06:50<urbinek>is there any way to avoid system reinstall after replace motherboard ?
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06:51<jm_>mans9k: yes
06:51<jm_>urbinek: you don't need to reinstall it
06:51<urbinek>jm_: what do you mean ?
06:51<mans9k>if motherboard has same chipset, u need not
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06:52<jm_>urbinek: I mean what I said
06:52<urbinek>jm_: mhm, so there won't be any problems ?
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06:53<urbinek>i've got ASRock ALIVEDUAL-ESATA2, Chipset - Northbridge: NVIDIA M1695 - Southbridge: NVIDIA nForce3 250
06:53<iusjvcbk>urbinek: just try, maybe adapt bootloader and /etc/fstab for change of root-device
06:53<urbinek>i' going to have MSI K9N Neo-F nForce 550
06:53<Prophet>iusjvcbk can you help me pls with some info ? :)
06:54<iusjvcbk>urbinek: if cpu changed and you want a optimized kernel, install/build a new one
06:54<urbinek>iusjvcbk: i don't need a optimized kerne
06:55<iusjvcbk>Prophet: maybe
06:55<jm_>urbinek: not in general no
06:55<urbinek>jm_: "not in general no" sory i don't understand ^^'
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06:56<Prophet>iusjvcbk : can you tell me where i can find a list with repositories ?
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06:56<jm_>urbinek: it'ss unlikely you will have problems because of it
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06:58<iusjvcbk>Prophet: not really, there are much repos out there, i use only debian standarts, once i used backports repo
06:59<urbinek>jm_: :) and assume that i'll have some problems, how can i fix it quick ? dpkg-reconfiure will be fine or what ?
07:00<Prophet>iusjvcbk: can you tell me pls, wich are this debian standads ? cuz in /etc/apt... i have only cd rep
07:01<urbinek>Prophet: distro ?
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07:02<urbinek>Prophet: try to translate it from Polish to English > :)
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07:02<Prophet>urbinek : tnx :)
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07:03<urbinek>Prophet: np, but i think that you won't need them :) standarts are fine
07:04<iusjvcbk>Prophet: see man sources.list
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07:22<jm_>urbinek: no, that won't solve problems if there will be any
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07:25<urbinek>jm_: ok
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07:41<MaCkeR>How do I submit bugs to BTS from reportbug using gmail's smtp
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07:42<gsimmons>MaCkeR: See
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07:42<MaCkeR>gsimmons: Oh! great.
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07:43<MaCkeR>gsimmons: thanks! Just submitting my first bug report to BTS
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07:47<mans9k>how do i create a initramfs image, when i try to do using mkinitramfs, it takes old modules, not newer ones.
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07:48<jm_>what old modules?
07:49<mans9k> update-initramfs -uv
07:49<mans9k>Available versions: 2.6.26-1-amd64
07:49<mans9k>Keeping /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64.dpkg-bak
07:49<mans9k>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64
07:49<mans9k>, instead of taking modules from /lib/modules/
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07:51<jm_>where did you find it has -u switch?
07:51<mans9k>jm_: how do i tel mkinitramfs, or yaird that it has to build for
07:52<mans9k>it has jm_ , u switch is for update
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07:53<jm_>mans9k: mkinitramfs 'version'
07:53<jm_>mans9k: then you must have some different version of mkinitramfs
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07:53<jm_>your version is probably not
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07:54<mans9k>the version of linux kernel is 2.6.28..7
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07:55<jm_>ls /lib/modules
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07:56<kostja>hey jungs...wolte mal nachfragen bei denen, die sich auskennen...was haltet ihr von 64-bit systemen? nützt es was darauf auch ein 64-bit system zu installieren? oder würdet ihr es noch bei dem 32-bit belassen?
07:56<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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07:56<jm_>in that case would work, but you must obviously be using some different script than I am looking at
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07:57<mans9k>a quick reboot, and i will be back jm_
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08:12<kostja> there anyone how has successfully installed the old Unreal Tournament an a 64-bit system? I am new to linux, so may be it's a newby problem...?!
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08:18<kostja> there anyone how has successfully installed the old Unreal Tournament an a 64-bit system? I am new to linux, so may be it's a newby problem...?!
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08:29<kostja> there?!
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08:34<Asmadeus>Hello, I'd like to change the synchronisation method of my non-official mirror, since the preferred method changed to pushes a while ago, and I've been wondering who I should ask to add me to their push list. (I can find secondary-push that would do, but no contact address.)
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08:35<ekl>uhm... pressing "U" in aptitude visual mode is equivalent to safe-upgrade or full-upgrade ? i'm reading manpages but..
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08:37<ml>ekl: I will like know to
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08:37<ml>I just do it the old fashio way aptitude safe-upgrade
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08:38<ekl>ml, i'm asking because i did full-upgrade to "switch to oak" (i was using lenny, so testing -> testing upgrade)
08:39<ekl>and full-upgrade did nothing.. so i was wondering why.. and after a while i remembered i did an "upgrade" in visual mode 2 days ago
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08:41<ekl>i use "testing" in my sources.list, so if U means full-upgrade, it's explained
08:41<ml>ekl: yes that's why I want to know something similar happened on one of my computers ever since I do it the old way
08:42<ml>having had any issues like that
08:42<ekl>i'm having no problems at the moment, but i'm curious to understand
08:43<ml>yes me too
08:43<ekl>as i have to do the same on a remote server that i have no physical access to, so i'd like to be sure of what i'm doing
08:43<ekl>i guessed U means safe-upgrade, as it's the usual way to upgrade in visual mode, but what happened suggest me it's a full-upgrade
08:44<ml>dpkg !aptitude
08:44<dpkg>ml: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
08:44<ekl>that means i did full-upgrades instead of safe-upgrades many times previously
08:45<ml>yes that could be bad for you
08:45<ekl>well.. it's a line in the manpage.. wonder why it's not already there
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08:46<ekl>btw, in visual mode help i read
08:46<ekl>"U": Mark all upgradable packages to be upgraded.
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08:46<ekl>so, i guess all means full
08:47<ml>seems like it
08:47<ekl>thanks anyway
08:47<alfa>i've got o problem with video dvd codecs
08:47<ekl>i'll investigate later, i have to go now
08:47<alfa>i can't install them properly
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08:47<ml>for upgrades you should it the term to be safe
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08:48<alfa>and bytheway i got etch
08:48<alfa>what to do??
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08:49<pmitros>I want to add a quick search engine to my Apache. I have a ton of Javadoc-generated HTML files, and the equivalent for Python and a few other languages, as well as a bunch of tutorials I downloaded off of the Internet. I'd like to be able to browse and search them quickly and easily. Right now, I stuck them in /var/www, and they are being served on localhost, and I'm wondering what the quickest way to add some sort of crude web search t
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08:49<pmitros>I don't want to switch to Tomcat and use
08:49<pmitros>Lucene, since Tomcat seems to fight with some other things I have installed
08:50<pmitros>The point of this is to do this easy, rather than fast.
08:50<pmitros>er easy and fast, rather than well
08:53<ml>alfa you want watch dvd's/
08:55<alfa>i've downloaded a torrent
08:55<alfa>and it's dvd quality
08:55<ml>iso ?
08:55<ml>should work in mplayer vlc smplayer
08:55<alfa>tomem player outputs an error
08:56<alfa>that's the error
08:56<pmitros>Try mplayer, with all the codecs
08:56<alfa>some codec ..
08:56<pmitros>MPlayer web page is helpful. They provide codecs for download illegal in the US
08:56<ml>alfa get mplayer-nogui
08:57<ml>and smplayer if you want a gui
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09:08<john_>Does anyone have any recommendations for which FTPD to go for if I need to set up a (preferrably chrooted) ftpS server?
09:10<kevc>john_: proftpd was always ok
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09:11<koollman>jazz: yup, proftpd
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09:12<ml>proftd ftw
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09:14<MrNaz>Do the stock kernels in the amd64 release of lenny support smp now, or do I still need to install a different kernel for smp support ?
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09:14<OdyX>MrNaz: they do.
09:15<MrNaz>they do support it, or they do require me to install a different kernel? (ambiguity ftw!) :)
09:15<OdyX>they do support it.
09:15<roman>Prompt icq the client in Russian
09:16<MrNaz>if i do cat /proc/cpuinfo will the presence of two CPUs in that output confirm that they are both in use ?
09:16<OdyX>MrNaz: yes.
09:16<MrNaz>thanks muchly :)
09:16<roman>Prompt icq the client in Russian
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09:17<@Ganneff>roman: do not repeat yourself.
09:17<cahoot>MrNaz: could also run top and hit 1 to see the use
09:17<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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09:17<john_>kevc: thanks
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09:18<john_>koollman: thanks
09:18<roman>Me it is simple so ban on debian-russia. to remove ban?
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09:19<amjad>I had a problem starting x on a new machine. So I booted it with knoppix, copied xorg.conf from it to /etc/X11 of Deb 5. Now x starts ok but the resolution is not good
09:19<john_>roman: What do you want?
09:19<OdyX>btw, htop is beautifuler MrNaz
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09:19<amjad>any insight on it?
09:19<OdyX>amjad: did you try without xorg.conf ?
09:20<john_>amjad: Are you saying the resolution was better in Knoppix than it is now? or was it not good in Knoppix either?
09:20<amjad>OdyX, yes
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09:20<amjad>john_, it seemed better
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09:21<amjad>OdyX, I tried with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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09:21<amjad>but did not work that way
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09:21<john_>amjad: It quite possibly was
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09:22<amjad>I also noticed XFree86 on knoppix
09:22<roman>To remove ban!
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09:22<amjad>instead of x.prg
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09:27<roman>There were problems with the coding, has solved, ban similar eternal, it is necessary to enter very much how to remove ban?
09:27<alfa>what's the command for creating a directory ..?
09:27<alfa>.. :P
09:28<alfa>i need to create it in terminal
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09:29<roman>There were problems with the coding, has solved, ban similar eternal, it is necessary to enter very much how to remove ban?
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09:31<alfa>i tryed that
09:31<alfa>i works ...
09:31<alfa>wtf.. o treyed it before
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09:44<MrNaz>I've got a fresh lenny install, just aptitude installed arno-iptables-firewall and ensured that port 22 is open... however, i can no longer ssh to the box
09:45<MrNaz>i have physical access to it, what should i check to see what's wrong ?
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09:48<jm_>MrNaz: apparently it isn't :)
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09:58<Athunye>I have to install 10 debian lenny machines. One is running as desired. Can I just copy /var/cache/apt/archives/ to a cd, and put the files on the cd to /var/cache/apt/archives/ on the another machine in order to not need to download everything for each machine ?
09:59<jm_>that will works once apt-get update has been run, or use something like apt-zip
09:59<llutz>you can
09:59<valdyn>Athunye: or use approx if all machiens are networked
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10:00<Athunye>Or, could I just put those files in a cdrom, and then apt-cdrom would recognize that cdrom ?
10:00<valdyn>Athunye: no
10:00<valdyn>Athunye: not like that,youd have to generate a proper Packages.gz file
10:01<Athunye>So, ill just put them back in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and aptitude update && aptitude <packages>.
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10:01<Athunye>They are very old pcs at a school for children.
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10:02<Athunye>Thank you guys.
10:02<valdyn>Athunye: mount /dev/cdrom /var/cache/apt/archives/ is faster
10:03<valdyn>Athunye: but that makes it ro obviously, so use is limited
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10:05<Athunye>Ok. Thanks.
10:06<Guest576>the version of pidgin shipped with debian lenny does not work with icq anymore. Will an update be delivert? (building it seems to be working, but when i try and run it error occure, possibly not linked correctly)
10:06<valdyn>Guest576: it wont
10:06<valdyn>Guest576: could have/get it
10:06<Guest576>for sid?
10:06<Guest576>will ther be a version for sid?
10:06<valdyn>Guest576: sid already has it
10:07<Guest576>ok, thx
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10:09<koollman>a linking error should be a serious enough bug, no ?
10:09<koollman>or is it already a known bug that won't be solved?
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10:10<valdyn>koollman: him not building pidgin properly is not a debian bug
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10:11<koollman>oh. rihgt.
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10:11<koollman>valdyn: but pidgin not working with a supposedly working protocol isn't ?
10:11<koollman>(that's a very different kind of bug, of course)
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10:12<stew>and if the error just broke icq support and the other protocols were fine, it sounds more like an important or normal bug than serious
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10:12<valdyn>koollman: stable does not get bug fixes in general
10:12<valdyn>koollman: gets some of those fixes
10:12<koollman>in this precise case, I can understand why. but in general I do find it rather annoying :)
10:13<valdyn>koollman: bug fixes introduce new bugs
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10:13<valdyn>koollman: debian stable guarantuees not to introduce new bugs
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10:13<anon>hi, xorg.conf is almost empty. i want its contents back. how do i do that?
10:13<valdyn>koollman: server admins and admins of large deployments need this
10:13<jm_>anon: try X -configure or write it manually
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10:14<koollman>valdyn: I know. but, sometimes, they also need to work around a known bug
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10:14<koollman>(well. I do)
10:14<anon>jm_: what does X -configure ?
10:14<valdyn>koollman: but debian is working on and is changing this by adding extra repo(s) for users
10:15<valdyn>koollman: hence theres and volatile and uh, whatever
10:15<koollman>and that's it
10:15<koollman>for the official ones. (and security, but the goal is different)
10:15<valdyn>koollman: should be official sooner or later
10:15<anon>hi, the new xorg.conf has almost no contents. how do i get the contents back?
10:15<stew>hopefully for squeeze
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10:16<valdyn>anon: write them
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10:16<jm_>anon: uhm it does what you asked for
10:16<anon>valdyn: i want them automatically. i know its possible.
10:16<stew>anon: if it previously had more contents (like, from etch), there should be a backup of it in /etc/X11
10:17<stew>anon: "X -configure" then
10:17<adriano1>entra nu banco du brasu
10:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:17<anon>X -configure is not very good.
10:17<adriano1>entra nu banco b
10:17<stew>anon: these are your options
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10:17<anon>adriano1: entre em #debian-br .
10:18<anon>stew: there is another one but i don't remember
10:18<stew>anon: i don't think so
10:18<anon>stew: i'm telling you. there is.
10:18<stew>anon: ok
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10:20<stew>anon: what is wrong with your current xorg.conf?
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10:21<stew>anon: or what is wrong with using your previous xorg.conf which should still be in /etc/X11 ?
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10:25<Zathraz>hi. A .deb is a .tgz in disguise afaik. I copied the contents of the .deb and made a slight moderation. Is a tar -zcvf sufficient to let it be installable through dpkg again?
10:25<Zathraz>(I have to force a GID in an install script)
10:25<simonrvn>there's 2 tarballs and a text file, in an ar archive
10:26<simonrvn>that's what they are
10:26<@Ganneff>Zathraz: no. a .deb is something different. man deb
10:26<stew>Zathraz: its an ar archive with a text file and 2 .tar.gzs ; yes, you can rebuild the data.tar.gz with tar zvcf, but the ar archive must stay in the same order
10:26<@Ganneff>and while there are the tools, the .deb is even different than what the usual ar command generates
10:27<simonrvn>though it's easy to unpack with ar x ;)
10:28<jm_>you can use dpkg-repack if you modified installed files
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10:28<Zathraz>I now have a tmp dir with the files. I edited one installscript. How should I put it back together? (I extracted it through using mc to enter the package and then did a copy command from mc)
10:28<Zathraz>aha. ty
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10:31<Cadmium01>I wonder if there is a site that shows approximate market share for linux Distributions?
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10:31<ebzzry>Hello everyone! Why is it that yacpi (or any ACPI info tool) does not display my battery status (all others like temp and AC adapter show)? I'm using Testing on an AMD Turion X2 (64-bit) machine.
10:32<Zathraz>jm_ : dpkg-repack seems only to be able to process packages already installed
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10:35<themill>Zathraz: btw if you're just trying to change the group or permissions of a file in a package, then perhaps look at dpkg-statoverride instead.
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10:38<Edublind>BOm dia
10:38<Edublind>será que alguem pode me tirar uma duvida?
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10:39<Edublind> como faço pra abrir e editar documentos docx do office 2007 no debian (open office)
10:40<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:41<themill>Edublind: Debian's openoffice in lenny or from for etch can edit docx files. The translation isn't perfect but it's not bad.
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10:43<Zathraz>my issue is that I have 2 servers that are kind of interlinked through NFS and users on one server have a homedir mounted on the other one. This is a headache setup with UID/GID, now I want to install a certain .deb which creates a user and group. However that GID is already in use on the other server which is probably the cause of strange behaviour.
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10:44<Zathraz>Obviously the solution would be to fix the server or to toss it out of the window
10:44<Zathraz>but both are not options right now :-(
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10:51<valdyn>Cadmium01: thats not really possible to measure
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10:52<Cadmium01>valdyn, how come?
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10:53<valdyn>Cadmium01: how do you want to count it?
10:53<valdyn>Cadmium01: units sold? not possible.
10:53<Zathraz>themill, what is "mode" in dpkg-statoverride?
10:53<Cadmium01>valdyn, by number of desktop sers
10:54<Cadmium01>sites can capture user's OS right?
10:54<Cadmium01>there has to be some sor o frough stats out there
10:54<valdyn>Cadmium01: so you really want to count desktops, not servers?
10:55<Cadmium01>valdyn, both, separately
10:55<themill>Zathraz: the permissions in octal just like you would give to chmod (e.g. 644 == rw-r--r--)
10:55<valdyn>Cadmium01: netcraft has numbers, but those are largely bullshit
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10:55<valdyn>Cadmium01: counting a virtual server that no one ever uses just like a large site
10:56<Cadmium01>valdyn, yeah, agree
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10:56<valdyn>Cadmium01: universities or companies with huge installations might be behind proxies
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10:57<valdyn>Cadmium01: you cant easily see the distro behind a webbrowser id
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11:02<Zathraz>themill, that would be for a specific file in the install then I suppose. In my case I have a packe containing a preinst script containing a line: adduser --system --no-create-home --group bacula 2>&1 > /dev/null
11:02<Zathraz>I need to force a GID to that
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11:03<themill>Zathraz: ahh.. I see. statoverride is not what you're looking for then.
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11:10<roman>What program to read and send mail with imap a server?
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11:17<Cadmium01>how do you view other pages of top command? It wont fit on my screen :)
11:17<Cadmium01>could not find it in man top
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11:19<cahoot>top -b ?
11:20<Cadmium01>cahoot, isnt b for toogle bold?
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11:21<FilipeMaia>Cadmium01, batch mode
11:21<FilipeMaia>Cadmium01, not pressing b while in top
11:21<Cadmium01>FilipeMaia, oh, it prints like cat right?
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11:22<Cadmium01>FilipeMaia, how would I use grep with top -b ?
11:22<Cadmium01>need to find a process
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11:22<petemc>Cadmium01: use ps orpgrep
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11:23<Cadmium01>petemc, thanks
11:24<Cadmium01>If I try to restart gnome (gdm? ) will I loose all open windows?
11:24<Cadmium01>sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
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11:25<Cadmium01>I actually just want to restar one of the gnome panels actually
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11:26<roman>How to update gimp?
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11:37<e7th04sh>during installation i selected hostname of e7th.04sh,org, but now i registered free subdomain from dyndns... how do i make a permament change of domain on my system? I made an attempt - changed /etc/hosts etc/hostname /etc/mailname but when i telnet to my smtp on localhost, it still thinks it's the old name
11:38<e7th04sh>i made a reboot before
11:38<petemc>e7th04sh: what does hostname -f say?
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11:41<e7th04sh>and that's correct
11:42<petemc>which mta?
11:42<petemc> no idea then, exim will use whatever the output of hostname -f is if primary_hostname isnt set
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11:43<themill>e7th04sh: look in /etc/postfix/ in particular for the myhostname and mydomain variables.
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11:44<themill>e7th04sh: postfix will also use /etc/mailname on debian.
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11:45<e7th04sh>/etc/mailname was manually set to correct value before last reboot
11:47<e7th04sh>the install is fresh, so the configuartion files are almost completely unmodified
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11:48<e7th04sh>there is line "append_dot_mydomain = no"
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11:48<e7th04sh>oh, i got it
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11:49<e7th04sh>thanks for help, myhostname was set... should i comment it out, and then uncomment the myorigin= line?
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11:51<themill>e7th04sh: it's longer than I care to remember since I last set up a postfix machine... but looking at that config, it has all of myorigin=/etc/mailname ; myhostname = ; mydomain = set. NFC whether that's the desired way of doing it these days (or even then, come to think of it... I was young(er) and stupid(er) then...
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11:55<e7th04sh>ok, this fixed it for postfix, but i might run into wrong hostname related problems, with software that was installed before i changed hostname...
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11:58<themill>e7th04sh: yes... changing hostnames is a pain in the backside. You may want to grep through your config files to see if there are any other instances of the domain name. (rgrep /etc There could also be user configs that need updating too, of course.
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12:19<simonrvn>HUGE PITA
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12:19<simonrvn>(changing hostnames and/or domainnames)
12:19<simonrvn>not something you want to be doing everyday....
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12:20<goodger>I typically do it once per reinstall >.<
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12:20<simonrvn>heh heh heh
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12:21<simonrvn>one of the systems here has gone through a few debian releases, one domain, and one hostname change
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12:47<circuit>some new bugs on last 24h
12:48<stew>circuit: bugs in what?
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12:50<circuit>i dunno. but when i try upgrade it talk about bugs. like lib6. low priority
12:50<circuit>i think there is no problem installing it
12:50<circuit>its right?
12:51<e7th04sh>anyways, altough in general i experience debian being faster than xp (that mnight be due to the fact that xp was never reinstalled since i bought coimputer from last owner, who wasnt what i would call experienced user...)...
12:52<e7th04sh>..., i experience one problem - it is flash content of websites, it works slow and ugly
12:52<sylarr>I can't boot
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12:53<sylarr>I had my root on /dev/sdd1, and I took the HD to another computer, with only one disk so it is /dev/sda1 now, and it hangs with the following error:
12:53<sylarr>Begin: Waiting for root file system... ...
12:53<circuit>e7th04sh, flash player for Debian AMD64 is slow a bit. but are u using whath architeture?
12:53<e7th04sh>i386 i think
12:53<sylarr>and I have tried chaning fstab, and grub kernel line
12:53<e7th04sh>i have Celeron
12:53<circuit>ok, u have installe libfalshplayer?
12:54<sylarr>and even tried update-initramfs -u -k myversion
12:54<e7th04sh>lemme check that
12:54<circuit>say mozilla-flashplayer
12:54<sylarr>anyone know?
12:54<sylarr>I use etch
12:54<e7th04sh>i, of course, have iceweasel here, if that matters
12:54<circuit>sylarr, i think that part of boot sistem is on your hardware
12:55<circuit>e7th04sh, search on aptitude: aptitude search mozilla-flashplayer
12:55<stew>sylarr: you might try: /msg dpkg uuid
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12:55<sylarr>circuit, this happens also in the original computer when changing number of disks or their order
12:55<e7th04sh>ain;t got any package like that avalaible
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12:55<stew>sylarr: and note that i do have a machine where "waiting for root filesystem" actually takes 30 seconds to suceed
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12:56<circuit>e7th04sh, flashplayer-mozilla ?
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12:56<circuit>if you have it probably will works fine
12:56<stew>circuit: that's not a debian package
12:57<e7th04sh>Adobe Flash Player platform support library for Esound and OSS
12:57<sylarr>stew, I get an (initramfs) prompt eventually
12:57<e7th04sh>uninstalled, but i don;t think it;s what you refer to
12:57<e7th04sh>i'll make search through synaptic, for "flash" in names and descriptions
12:57<circuit>e7th04sh, its a nonfree pack that works well here
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12:58<e7th04sh>i think i have nonfree on
12:58<e7th04sh>still, i don;t see that package
12:58<themill>judd: versions flashplayer-mozilla
12:58<judd>themill: flashplayer-mozilla -- etch-multimedia: 1: sid-multimedia: 1: lenny-multimedia: 1:
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12:59<themill>e7th04sh: you need debian-multimedia if you want that package. /msg dpkg dmm
12:59<circuit>oll be going now, bye
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12:59<sylarr>stew, and I don't know how uuid will help, because all the places that i can change the device name, I have changed it to /dev/sda1 and so it should work, if that is the only problem
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13:00<sylarr>stew, it would be nice to change to uuid one day so this will not happen again, but yet something is missing now
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13:00<sylarr>stew, what I know about is /etc/fstab, and /boot/grub/menu.lst
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13:21<sylarr>lenny rescue environment sucks, I have tried to edit there stuff with vi and vim, and could barley do anything
13:21<sylarr>the screen is not stable letters drops in from nowhere
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13:24<patrjzja76>ciao a tutti
13:24<dpkg>one warez list being sent to patrjzja76
13:25<dpkg>one warez list being sent to adema
13:26<dpkg>one warez list being sent to lemonzest
13:26<Lemonzest>hmm, i dint get owt
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13:29<Cadmium01>I donloaded the bittorrent package, but man bittorent has no entry and bittorrent does not run?
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13:39<yfk>I've bought this wireless keyboard, and it works for windows XP, the grub load menu and I can click Esc to avoid the partition test routine on startup. I can even type my login name with it but not it won't work after Debian starts. how can I fix this?
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13:44<raphi>yfk: then something is wrong with the X-server config I guess.
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13:45<alessandro>need help with freetds
13:45<yfk>raphi: you think xorg is in charge of this?
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13:46<raphi>yes, if grub is working and if you can type some letters during the boot, yes!
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13:47<Cadmium01>what's the difference between apt-get remove and apt-get purge?
13:48<gsimmons>Cadmium01: man apt-get
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13:49<raphi>Cadmium01: purge will also remove config files
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13:50<Cadmium01>gsimmons, raphi thanks
13:50<yfk>raphi: there is Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" there. I guess this has to do with the wired usb keyboard I usually use. do you think I should remove these lines and retry or maybe try and find a driver for the wireless keyboard?
13:52<fxiny>amphi: got the "the craft of functional programming" , starting from next sunday (needing booze to swallow it)
13:52*yfk is giving it a try
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13:52<amphi>fxiny: heh - in dead tree format?
13:53<Cadmium01>what are the most common bittorent cli clients?
13:53<fxiny>amphi: hehehe , three second hands copies avaiable . 100% in pristine conditions ;)
13:53<ELJusticeiro>I need help
13:53<Athunye>I cannot mount the media with the deb packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/. It says I must specify the file system. I tried -t iso9660 and -t udf with no success. Any help would be appreciated.
13:53<fxiny>amphi: :)
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13:55<raphi>Athunye: what tells you dmesg | tail
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13:58<gsimmons>ELJusticeiro: Fedora is not supported here. You would want to join #fedora on
13:58<petern>hmm, i have a 'problem' with suspending
13:58<Athunye>raphi: It says about 9660 extensions RRIP_1991A and Microssoft Joilet Leve 3. I burned the media with k3b, as a "data" project.
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13:58<fxiny>amphi: hahaha , in the preface : "haskell and hugs" , it looks friendly :)
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13:58<petern>under windows, when i suspend, i can press a key or move the mouse, and it'll wake up
13:59<petern>under lenny i have to press the power button
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13:59<petern>is this changable anywhere? heh
13:59<raphi>athunye: but does it tell you 'error..' or 'mounted..'
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13:59<fxiny>is acpi magic
13:59<fxiny>petern: ^^^
14:00<Athunye>raphi: UDF-fs No VRS found.
14:00<Athunye>The only thing that seems an error is that.
14:01<Athunye>If I just mount /dev/cdrom0/ it goes fine.
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14:01<fxiny>Athunye: etch or lenny ?
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14:03<petern>yeah, echoing stuff to /proc/acpi/wakeup lets me change it
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14:05<petern>(or acpitool)
14:05<raphi>Athunye: what's the exact command which fails?
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14:07<Athunye>raphi: mount /media/cdrom0/ /var/cache/apt/archives/, or the same command plus -t iso9660 or -t udf after "mount"
14:07<yfk>raphi: kewl, It's working
14:07<yfk>thanks man
14:07<raphi>yfk: np
14:07<raphi>Athunye: ok, try /dev/hdX instead of /media/cdrom... :-D
14:08<Athunye>raphi: OK. Let me see. :D
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14:09<fxiny>mount -t <what> /mount/point
14:10<dpkg>one warez list being sent to e7th04sh
14:10<Athunye>Now it would work out. It says that /var/cache/apt/archives/ is busy, though. :)
14:10<raphi>fyiny: the /dev/hdX needs to be replaced with the device-file of the cdrom.
14:10<yfk>kewl, there's warez here
14:10<dpkg>one warez list being sent to yfk
14:10<fxiny>raphi: i see , yes :)
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14:14<Athunye>Thank you guys any way. I'll inspect it more deeply later. :)
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14:16<e7th04sh>if i messed up my dovecot.conf, where can i get the original? shame on me i didnt backup
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14:18<BlackWizard>hello I have a problem where must I ask about it
14:18<Teddyowd>where i can find a useful debian based system like ubuntu?
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14:18<petern>obviously :D
14:18<fxiny>e7th04sh: /msg dpkg confmiss
14:18<gsimmons>BlackWizard: You can just go ahead and state your problem.
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14:19<e7th04sh>fxiny should i just run this command, or remove the broken file first?
14:19<e7th04sh>never mind
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14:21<t0ki>Ach jaj
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14:23<Ananth123>how do i change my default language in X back to english ? i had tried to see how it looks like in french using locale-gen but now even after changing back to english, all new apps are displaying in french
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14:24<Ananth123>i have even set /etc/environment to en_US.UTF-8 but no avail
14:24<Ananth123>any new app that i install is being displayed in french
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14:24<Ananth123>i have even tried removing kde
14:25<nsa_fiend>what's that 3d desktop package !=compiz
14:25<nsa_fiend>the other one
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14:26<stew>nsa_fiend: 3ddesktop? beryl?
14:26<petern>i've got a 3d desktop
14:26<e7th04sh>Not replacing deleted config file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
14:26<e7th04sh>Not replacing deleted config file /etc/dovecot/dovecot-ldap.conf
14:26<e7th04sh>Not replacing deleted config file /etc/dovecot/dovecot-sql.conf
14:26<nsa_fiend>yep. thx
14:26<petern>i can put my legs under it :D
14:27<petern>isn't beryl just a different window decorator for compiz?
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14:27<gsimmons>It merged with Compiz Fusion, anyway.
14:27<stew>petern: it was a separate project, which was later recombined with compiz aiui
14:28<petern>possibly, it all got a bit confusing, as i don't follow it
14:28<craigevil>e7th04sh: /msg dpkg confmiss
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14:28<nsa_fiend>well, i dont think my gpu will runn compiz so i was going to try beryl cause it was older. thought i might have a better chance with that
14:28<e7th04sh>craigevil, i already read and followed that
14:28<e7th04sh>and the result is the paste
14:28<azeem_>nsa_fiend: beryl isn't older really
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14:30<petern>there's always xcompmgr, although that won't give you much :D
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14:33<e7th04sh>anyways, i haven't changed root password, but my root password doesn;t work anymore
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14:34<e7th04sh>what is wrong? :(
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14:34<meshuggah>e7th04sh, you have been hack
14:34<e7th04sh>yeah yeah
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14:34<meshuggah>debian is pretty insecure compared to winshit95
14:34<e7th04sh>i don't recall ever being "a hack", sorry ;]
14:35<e7th04sh>but the question is serious, anyways... what could i possibly have done wrong
14:35<meshuggah>i mean hacked
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14:35<meshuggah>e7th04sh, i am sorry i dont know
14:35<meshuggah>i am still a newbie here
14:35<e7th04sh>thanks for letting me know ;]
14:35<meshuggah>everything works on my computer except the tv-out
14:36<And1>Hey folks, how do I use my ~/.fonts/* with xfontsel?
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14:36<meshuggah>someone can help me with tv-out / nvtv
14:36<meshuggah>e7th04sh, what did you say before i entered this channel?
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14:37<meshuggah>e7th04sh, did i miss something that can help me help you
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14:37<kapil>And1: ~/.fonts is usually used with fontconfig tools not xfont tools
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14:38<And1>kapil: Hmm, I don't know exactly what the difference... -- Well I just want to find out the -*-*-...-*- string of such a font, is there an xfont-tool which does that?
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14:40<fxiny>And1: xfontsel
14:41<And1>Uh, I meant a fontconfig tool, like kapil said. - fxiny: The fonts in ~/.fonts/ aren't listed in xfontsel. I already did 'fc-cache -fv'...
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14:43<And1>Maybe I should also tell you, that there are .ttf fonts in ~/.fonts ...
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14:47<meshuggah>i know it is off-topic, but anyone know where is the opensolaris channel, which server?
14:48<azeem>google it
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14:48<meshuggah>thank you
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15:03<sg1mad>Needs help with --bind
15:03<sg1mad>mount --bind /home /glftpd/site/incoming
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15:04<sg1mad>gets permissin denied in folders inside the /home partition
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15:05<peterius>update manager from X has not been working for me for a few days
15:05<peterius>I've been doing "apt-get upgrade" from console
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15:09<petern>hmm, is it possible to emulate a mouse button with a keypress?
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15:16<ml>fxiny: sup
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15:20<fxiny>ml: yes ?
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15:21<ml>for smartBorders to I had to add line ... smartBorders
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15:21<ml>fxiny: work
15:22<amphi>ml: better go and lie down ;)
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15:22<ml>amphi: heh
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15:23<fxiny>ml: not doing much , i'm planning a dive into haskell over the weekend
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15:24<ml>amphi: this xmonad thing is intoxicating
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15:24<ml>fxiny: nice enjoy :)
15:24<grib>ok, so I have my dselect DB in a bad way, it wants to uninstall a million important packages because I made a mistake and requested an incompatible pkg, then didn't hit "X" immediately. The packages it wants to delete are listed as "*--" status. Is there a way to run a dpkg batch command to forget all dselect's ideas about what it wants to do, and return to the "status quo" "***" status?
15:24<amphi> ml isn't it? ;)
15:25<fxiny>i've checked almost all layouts , no more guessing but just plain haskell syntax before painting windows
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15:26<ml>fxiny: i now see how smartBorders works :)
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15:26<fxiny>ml: intoxicating ? hahaha
15:27<ml>fxiny: I needed to add a lni smartBorders for it to work
15:27<ml>fxiny: :)
15:27<nsa_fiend>there a way to boost audio coming through alsa?
15:27<fxiny>ml: yeahhh , xmonad works in a misterious way , it makes you feeling smarter :)
15:27<nsa_fiend>like an amp or something digital?
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15:28<fxiny>ml: because we have to think , plan and experiment before loading a neww config
15:29<fxiny>i like that
15:29<ml>fxiny: but I had take out because if I decide to use the mouse the screen goes crazy
15:29<amphi>nsa_fiend: I run my player through jack-rack and jackeq which lets me fiddle with things pretty much as I like
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15:30<ml>fxiny: hence intoxicantion :)
15:30<amphi>nsa_fiend: increasing the gain too much will just lead to horrid clipping if you overdo it though
15:30<fxiny>ml: wanna use the mouse ? no porgs : XMonad.Layout.DragPane and magicFocus
15:30<nsa_fiend>yeah. i know
15:30<fxiny>but DragPane gives me trouble with screen
15:31*ml does know the ways of XMonad.Layout.DragPane
15:31<fxiny>so i do (Mirror (Tall...
15:31<ml>* doesn't
15:31<amphi>fxiny: I see repaint problems at times here
15:31<fxiny>amphi: with ncurses ?
15:32<amphi>xrefresh sorts them out though
15:32<fxiny>amphi: Ctrl L ?
15:32<amphi>fxiny: no
15:32<ml>amphi: can you explain think I'm expirencing same thing
15:32<fxiny>amphi: what else ?
15:32<amphi>fxiny: sometimes floating windows above my term completely or partially disappear
15:33<nsa_fiend>amphi: how did you set that up? did you do it yourself from experience or can you give me a linky?
15:33<fxiny>amphi: not using floating yet
15:33<amphi>I don't know if it's the term, screen, or something to with do[Center[Float
15:33<amphi>fxiny: I have little things like xmag xfontsel and so on doCenterFloat
15:34<fxiny>amphi: oh i see
15:34<amphi>I don't want new tabs or tiled windows rearranging themselves for such things
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15:35<amphi>xev [xg]message feh are some others that doCenterFloat
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15:35<fxiny>amphi: 99% of my time is mrxvt iceweasel and emacs , i'll check emacs speedbar tomorrow if it floats with the clown ;)
15:36<amphi>bah, iceweasel
15:36<amphi>midori ;)
15:36<ml>iceweasel :)
15:36<amphi>I use xfce4-term - I like the tabs down the side, not along the top
15:36<fxiny>pasting layouts horizontal icewilly enacs with magicFocus . something point&clicks user can only dream of
15:36<amphi>ml: let them eat XUL
15:37<fxiny>amphi: but with a windescreen and loads ow windows i think magnify is better then magicFocus
15:37<amphi>it's pronounced 'zool', we informed by those on high
15:37<amphi>*we are informed
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15:38<amphi>fxiny: could be -I have tindescreen here ;)
15:38<grib>found my own solution, just edit /var/lib/dpkg/status and :%s/deinstall ok installed/install ok installed/g
15:39<fxiny>amphi: down the side ? have you tryed a 90% master with 3 slaves on the right , arranged like vertical tabs , and magicfocus ?
15:39<mido>i had this problem when i was trying to install wine on the system and had errors on packages wine and wine-dev " /usr/bin/dpkg recieved a segmentation fault"
15:39<mido>can anybody help?
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15:40<fxiny>wanna on the left ? Mirror then
15:40<tcsetattr>amazing that someone out there is still torturing himself with dselect.
15:40<Odinux>my ftp user cannot access symbolic link directory ?
15:40<amphi>fxiny: the terminal's tabs, I mean
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15:40<sylarr>can anyone help me?
15:40<Odinux>I need help
15:40<sylarr>I have took a disk from one computer to a newer hardware, and it doesn't boot
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15:40<fxiny>amphi: you can have the same effect with windows stacked like tabs
15:40<grib>tcsetattr: I've been using dselect since about 1995, so I'm pretty well used to its quirks
15:40<sylarr>a live cd boots
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15:41<sylarr>but I copied /boot from the live cd and it is not enough
15:41<sylarr>what else do I need?
15:42<fxiny>amphi: as soon as you focus on one of the stacked-on-the rigt windows , it moves to the master place
15:42<mido> i had this problem when i was trying to install wine on the system and had errors on packages wine and wine-dev " /usr/bin/dpkg recieved a segmentation fault" can anybody help?
15:42<fxiny>it works with the keyboard or the mouse
15:43<tcsetattr>segfaulting dpkg is about the worst thing that could happen. Congratulations! is it repeatable?
15:45<tcsetattr>you get that by running dpkg manually, or was there an apt-get or aptitude command that triggered it?
15:46<amphi>fxiny: is what I mean
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15:48<mido>i was trying to install wine by dpkg
15:49<Odinux>Is there a way can I access to a symbolic link throw ftp?
15:49<fxiny>amphi: yes . vertical tabs . nice . if you like that , don't use a tabbed layout but try arranging windows on the side like tabs and focus on any
15:50<fxiny>amphi: so you can have tabs on the left and windows-tabs on the right
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15:50<fxiny>with magicfocus
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15:51<fxiny>is an amazing effetc
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15:51<amphi>intoxicating, eh?
15:51<fxiny>it really fly
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15:51<fxiny>amphi: hehehe
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15:52<fxiny>amphi: i've checked magnify and zoom (?)
15:52<amphi>fxiny: I'll look later - at the moment I'm fiddling with my user css for midori
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15:52<fxiny>amphi: midori ? how is it ?
15:52<amphi>fxiny: did you try fade with xcompmgr ? ;)
15:52<amphi>fxiny: works pretty well here
15:53<amphi>midori, that is - I didn't play with fade and xcompmgr either
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15:55<amphi>fxiny: but I'm building webkit and midori from git, and libsoup from svn
15:55<fxiny>amphi: nice plan
15:55<ml>fxiny: I don't think I explained my self before about magicfocus and mouse... lets say a term as master and I have iceweasel on another window and try to scroll on iceweasel the screens goes crazy
15:56<fxiny>ml: saved my xmonad.hs ? that works
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15:57<fxiny>ml: focus brings slaves panes to master and you scroll only when they are master
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15:57<ml>fxiny: can you paste it again seem to have rm
15:57<steffan>How can I restart MySQL on debian?
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15:58<amphi>fxiny: is midori with my css
15:58<fxiny>ml: you wanna with dragpane ?
15:58<Odinux>steffan: /etc/init.d/mysqld restart
15:58<amphi>fxiny: heh, the tempter
15:58<fxiny>amphi: nice !
15:58<ml>fxiny: sure give me everything you got ;)
15:59<fxiny>ml: just one , lemme search for dragpane
16:00<steffan>Odinux: as root, right?
16:00<ml>amphi: nice
16:01<amphi>I hate white pages, as you might guess ;)
16:02<ml>amphi: I was going to try midori but just uesd to addons and read that is not stable
16:02<fxiny>amphi: that's really nice
16:02<ml>amphi: yes noticed
16:02<amphi>it's not so much midori as webkit
16:02<Odinux>steffan: yes
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16:03<ml>fxiny: ok off to look thanks
16:03<fxiny>ml: open just two windows
16:03<Odinux>steffan: try /etc/init.d/mysql restart or /etc/init.d/mysqld restart as root
16:04<fxiny>ml: iceweasel xmoand contribs and emacs loading your xmonad.hs , try to copy and paste
16:04<steffan>Odinux: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
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16:05<YianPan71>ellhnika milaei kaneis??
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16:05<Odinux>Im not an expert but if you check your log you will find the error then search on google to find an answer.
16:05<fxiny>ml: say you have a 3 to 1 ratio , if you "mod j" to the narrow window you have to resize it . with magicfocus you fly
16:05<steffan>Odinux: Do you happen to know where it's logged?
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16:06<YianPan71>ellhnika milaei kaneis??
16:07<fxiny>ml: because magifocus brings the narrow up and you have it automagically at 66%
16:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gr is for help in greek try or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to & to #debian-el. General Resolution
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16:08<fxiny>ml: this is for small screen . use Tall with wide screen
16:08<peterius>I'm using testing but the preferences for the update manager don't list keys for squeeze, only etch and lenny
16:08<peterius>also update manager doesn't seem to work
16:08<e7th04sh>thanks for all help today, see you not too soon :P
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16:09<gooey>getting debian for the first time
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16:10<peterius>like right now, I click on it, it asks me for password and then nothing
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16:12<ml>fxiny: wow !!!
16:12<ml>fxiny: nice
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16:13<ml>fxiny: just need to get use it
16:13<ml>fxiny: i'm goin to add to my xmnad.hs
16:13<fxiny>ml: heheeh
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16:14<ml>and for wide screen this much better :)
16:15<ml>fxiny: thanks for helping me
16:15<fxiny>ml: no porbs
16:15<ml>fxiny: I will figure haskell someday
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16:16<fxiny>ml: there is a book called "the craft of functional programming" , maybe more dunno
16:16<fxiny>it seems interesting
16:17<ml>fxiny: you reading that?
16:17<fxiny>ml: is on my todo list
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16:19<fxiny>ml: wide screen ? magicFocus (Tall 1 (3/100) (1/2)
16:20<fxiny>but not good for pasting
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16:21<fxiny>time to go
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16:27<nT4BR>how do i can make my partitions ntfs avaible since the beginning of session
16:28<Pitxyoki>You add an entry for them on /etc/fstab
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16:28<ml>yes fstab
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16:28<nT4BR>ok, i will try this
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16:29<hbd>hi all
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16:32<hbd>me from Russia not english speak )
16:32<sylarr>anyone knows how to update a kernel offline?
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16:33<nT4BR>hbd, cool, i'am brazilian, not english hehe
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16:33<hbd>he he like Dedian ?
16:34<adb>!tel hbd about ru
16:34<nT4BR>i have used fedora 10, and every time when i will use pat-get, i type yum ;P
16:35<nT4BR>hbd, i'am testing debian lenny ;)
16:35<dkr>nT4BR: make an alias, :)
16:35<hbd>im user Ubuntu and test Debian very good sys )
16:36<dkr>I actually alias aptitude to "a". Yes, I am that lazy a typist
16:37<nT4BR>alias rulez,
16:37<nT4BR>hbd, ubuntu is based in debian ;)
16:37<tcsetattr>my 'a' alias is for 'alias'. makes it easier to define more aliases.
16:39<nT4BR>and if i install debian AMD64 (my computer is one amd athlon 64) i will have problems with compatibility?
16:39<nT4BR>much ppl say this ;(
16:39<hbd>Ubuntu very good ..... more bug (((
16:40<nT4BR>hdb, i prefer fedora ;D
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16:40<dkr>tcsetattr: that could have a fit into a yo dawg meme, :)
16:40<nT4BR>odinux, are u brazilian?
16:41<Odinux>lol no
16:41<nT4BR>Viva its one english word? O.O
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16:43<nT4BR>AFK ;D
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16:44<Odinux>lol i'm just joking about viva but debian is truly great!
16:44<adb>please keep on topic
16:45<Odinux>it's my favorite linux OS
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16:48<hbd>it's my favorite linux OS +1 he he
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17:00<nT4BR>heheh its my second favorite linux distro ;P
17:00<nT4BR>because i dont have experience with he
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17:00<Woet>Someone on my shared webhosting is using the webhosting to DDoS specific servers
17:01<Woet>how to find out which user it is?
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17:09<adama>Woet: apache logs?
17:09<Woet>adama: apache doesn't log outgoing PHP connections
17:09<Woet>only incoming apache requests
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17:12<adama>hmmmmm I don't know then... watch "netstat -p|grep something..." or something like that maybe
17:13<Woet>only will display httpd processes
17:13<Woet>not users
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17:16<Woet>also, how to resolve this issue?
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17:20<urbinek>hello there
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17:23<Woet>how can I get it removed? :/
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17:24<urbinek>aptitude install webmin
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17:48<blast_hardcheese>Why does one out of the three disks I've got in my RAID get marked as spare every time I --assemble a pre-existing RAID?
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17:49<blast_hardcheese>in mdadm
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17:51<bighornram>gnome forgot how to open .pdf documents. how to I reteach it?
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17:51<avu>blast_hardcheese, what's the raid level?
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17:51<blast_hardcheese>avu: 5
17:52<avu>bighornram, right click on a .pdf file and go to properties, it's there somewhere
17:52<avu>blast_hardcheese, poor you
17:52<blast_hardcheese>avu: It's just weird and I'd like to not have to thrash my disks for an hour and a half to get my RAID integrity back
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17:56<djc>evince , if not acroread
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17:57<blast_hardcheese>When I --assemble --scan I get: mdadm: /dev/md/2 assembled from 2 drives and 1 spare - not enough to start the array while not clean - consider --force.
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17:59<blast_hardcheese>All that's really puzzling me is why it won't mark all three drives as active. The RAID was completely up and clean before I --stop'd it, it should just be reassembled into a working state
17:59<blast_hardcheese>very strange
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18:02<tcsetattr>grep spare /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
18:02<blast_hardcheese>nothing returned
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18:05<peterius>is /var/lib/meta-release supposed to do anything?
18:05<peterius>sorry, /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release?
18:06<tcsetattr>after studying the man page... mdadm -G -x 0 -n 3 perhaps?
18:06<peterius>also, why do I have an apparently ubuntu meta-release file when I'm running debian?
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18:08<stew>peterius: what version of update-manager-core do you have installed?
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18:08<peterius>stew: 0.68.debian-7
18:08<peterius>but I've never had anything to do with ubuntu so...
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18:09<stew>peterius: what does "dpkg -s /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release" return?
18:09<stew>peterius: that file comes with the ubuntu versions of the update-mangaer-core package but not the debian update-manager-core
18:09<peterius>if I don't have to run that command as root, it says its not installed
18:09<peterius>I found it because I googled an error that update-manager gave me
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18:10<stew>peterius: sorry that should be dpkg -S not dpkg -s
18:10<stew>peterius: and no, it doesn't have to be run as root
18:11<peterius>dpkg: /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release not found.
18:11<dpkg>peterius: I don't know, could you explain it?
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18:11<stew>peterius: so that file didn't come from a package
18:12<peterius>stew: what do think of pastebin?
18:13<peterius>and also how did an ubuntu file get on my system?
18:13<stew>peterius: i have no idea. either you installed it, or maybe you had the ubuntu package insteadd and somehow it wasn't properly cleaned up
18:13<stew>peterius: but according to a search on, no package provides that file
18:14<stew>peterius: the same search on says that in ubuntu, update-manager-core ships that file
18:14<blast_hardcheese>tcsetattr: Very possibly, I completely forgot about -x. I had been using that before but I guess it fell out of my head somewhere.
18:14<stew>peterius: do you have debsums installed?
18:14<peterius>stew: I deleted it, but update-manager still gives me the same output
18:14<peterius>stew: debsums?
18:14<stew>yes, debsums
18:15<peterius>is that like a checksumming utility?
18:15<peterius>dpkg -S debsums says its not found
18:15<dpkg>Package: debsums says its not found: Status: install ok installed
18:15<stew>peterius: install debsums and tell me what happens when you run "debsums update-manager update-manager-core | grep -v OK"
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18:17<And1>Hey folks. I still have problems sending mails via mutt/exim to the interweb. My "hostname" in mutt is just the hostname of my pc, maybe that's because it just doesn't work?
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18:17<peterius>stew: nothing
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18:18<peterius>stew: I've been really careful, I installed debian on this laptop a while ago and I installed a couple different glibs in order to use some weird software and everything got screwed, so I installed from scratch and I've been very careful not to install anything weird that might confuse debian package manager, candidates are xscreensaver, openssl, kdevelop and some kde libs, and that's about it
18:19<peterius>an ubuntu file makes me think either I have "hackers" or some testing version of debian accidentally got the wrong file uploaded into the repositories
18:19<peterius>maybe that was fixed and just not removed
18:19<stew>peterius: check the bts
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18:20<panagos>does anyone have any ideas why the entropy levels of my system dropped from an average of 3000 bytes before 10 days to around 200 bytes now? thanks!
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18:21<stew>peterius: /msg dpkg bts
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18:21<slonbg>hi. trying upgrade from sarge to etch (in order to upgrade to lenny later). I changed everything in sources.list from sarge to etch, then apt-get update, and now I try to upgrade aptitude first (as shown in this article: so, apt-get install aptitude proposes to remove kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp, but this is my current kernel. and it...
18:21<peterius>stew: well I submitted a bug about the update-manager actually
18:21<slonbg>...does not offer any install newer kernel. is this right? should I proceed?
18:21<peterius>stew: but it looks like there have been a bunch of problems, since sometimes last september with the updatemanager
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18:22<stew>slonbg: you should certainly not let it remove your running kernel
18:22<nkuttler>mysqld just stopped on three of my remote servers at the same time.. anybody experiencing the same?
18:22<stew>slonbg: do you have aptitude installed currently?
18:22<slonbg>stew - yes
18:22<stew>slonbg: try using aptitude instead of apt-get. it tends to be smarter
18:23<slonbg>stew: i.e. aptitude install aptitude?
18:23<stew>slonbg: yes
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18:25<adama>nkuttler: no
18:25<slonbg>stew: same thing. offers to remove kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp
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18:26<Pitxyoki>Why does that page recommend using aptitude instead of apt in the first place?
18:26<Pitxyoki>You can simply do apt-get upgrade ; apt-get dist-upgrade
18:26<stew>slonbg: "aptitude install aptitude kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp="
18:27<m_l>use one or the other not both
18:27<slonbg>Pitxyoki: for the same reason stew said, aptitude should be smarter
18:27<Pitxyoki>How do you define "smarter"?
18:27<stew>Pitxyoki: becuase that has a far worse chance of actually working. aptitude has been recommended over apt-get for a long time now becuase it is much better at resolving dependencies
18:28<stew>Pitxyoki: its got a much better dependency resolver. and has the ability to do things like present you with several possible ways to get out of a dependency conflict
18:28<Pitxyoki>Oh, well...
18:28<Pitxyoki>I never had a problem like that with apt...
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18:29<stew>"aptitude install aptitude ;aptitude safe-upgrade ;aptitude full-upgrade" will do the right thing in many more cases
18:29<slonbg>stew: says something about broken packages, some packages can not be installed, and unable to resolve some dependencies
18:29<Pitxyoki>More than "never had a problem"?
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18:30<stew>Pitxyoki: would you recommend he remove his currently running kernel then?
18:30<Pitxyoki>I'm not recommending anything.
18:30<stew>Pitxyoki: then what?
18:30<Pitxyoki>I'm just asking why should one prefer aptitude over apt.
18:30<Pitxyoki>What I'd recommend was that he upgraded the kernel in the first place.
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18:31<Pitxyoki>...and then proceed to the upgrade from the newer kernel.
18:31<slonbg>stew, it lists some packages, incl. libc6 as kept back
18:31<stew>slonbg: if libc6 is being held back, so is aptitude
18:31<stew>Pitxyoki: and how do you recommend he does that?
18:32<Pitxyoki>Change his sources.list to etch, then apt-get update then apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 or whatever arch he's using.
18:32<stew>Pitxyoki: and let it reomve the currently running kernel?
18:32<Pitxyoki>Then reboot to the new kernel then upgrade the rest of the packages.
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18:32<Pitxyoki>He didn't say that installing a newer kernel tried to make him remove the currently running one.
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18:32<stew>Pitxyoki: it will, however
18:32<Pitxyoki>Or at least I didn't read that.
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18:33<Pitxyoki>What? Why?
18:33<stew>slonbg: i'd recommend using the aptitude frontend to sort out the dependencies
18:33<stew>Pitxyoki: becuase it wants to remove initrd-tools
18:33<Pitxyoki>slonbg, I'd recommend using the apt frontend to install or upgrade all packages.
18:33<Pitxyoki>But that's just my opinion.
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18:34<stew>slonbg: i'd recommend trusting the debian release team over whoever he is
18:34<slonbg>how should i look for "broken" packages
18:34<stew>slonbg: you can search for them with by hitting / and searching for "~b"
18:34<stew>(without the quotes)
18:34<Pitxyoki>I'd recommend that too.
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18:35<stew>slonbg: what you want to do is mark your kernel with = to mean hold, and mark aptitude for upgrade. it might help to tell it specifically to upgrade libc6 and hold initrd-tools
18:35<stew>slonbg: you could try this from the command line with "aptitude install aptitude libc6 initrd-tools= kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp="
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18:37<slonbg>stew: libc6: Conflicts: initrd-tools (< but is installed and it is kept back
18:37<stew>slonbg: ahh, then try initrd-tools+ instead of initrd-tools=
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18:38<stew>dpkg: info initrd-tools sarge
18:39<slonbg>stew: now the kernel is not proposed for removal
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18:39<stew>bah, dpkg doesn't know about sarge anymore
18:40<stew>but i wonder if maybe the sarge install is slightly out of date
18:40<_markus__>I'm running quite a few lenny (to some extend, etch too) systems and wondering: what's the easiest for me to know if a certain installation has updates to be installed? Since the installation differ, it may be different packages on different system and I would need to know which system have which new updates. Any idea how this can be done?
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18:40<slonbg>stew, it was not updated for a while
18:40<slonbg>how can i check when the last package was updated/installed
18:40<stew>_markus__: cron-apt will send you email
18:41<TheKing> <- how do I fix that?
18:41<_markus__>stew: ok, thans, will look into it!
18:41<stew>TheKing: aptitude install locales
18:41<stew>slonbg: there isn't a good reliable way
18:42<stew>slonbg: the fact that you are running 2.6.8-2 instead of 2.6.8-3 is an indication that it was not up to date with the latest sarge though
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18:42<slonbg>stew: ok, i guess i'll byte the bullet and go ahead with the latest command u provided, and will try the aptitude command from the article. or should i keep with the release notes?
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18:43<stew>slonbg: sticking to the release notes is the safest
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18:43<TheKing>another question
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18:44<TheKing>how do i change apache2's default /var/www path
18:44<TheKing>to something else
18:44<slonbg>stew, thanks. now i have to find etche's rel notes.
18:44<stew>TheKing: edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
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18:44<stew>slonbg: /msg dpkg etch release notes
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18:45<slonbg>stew, thanks
18:45<stew>slonbg: hah, and it has you running "aptitude install initrd-tools" to avoid what we just went through
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18:45<slonbg>yep, if nothing else helps, read RTFM :)
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18:46<slonbg>stew: thanks for the help, and sorry that i did not find/read the doc first
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18:46<stew>you're welcome
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18:57<TheKing>anybody know the apt-get mysql php package?
18:57<blast_hardcheese>Probably LAMP
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19:00<Steven_M>hi all
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19:02<Steven_M>worryingly, I don't know whether my donation to debian went through yesterday?
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19:04<Steven_M>Guest638: don't you mean /list
19:04<NSAJEFF>Anyone know the console that you can hotkey to drop down from the top of your screen?
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19:05<dkr>NSAJEFF: yukuake guake
19:05<NSAJEFF>dkr, thanks! Thats the one
19:05<blast_hardcheese>NSAJEFF: There are about 300 of these
19:05<dkr>I only know of them because someone asks what the gnome equivalent of yakuake is every other week here, :)
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19:06<NSAJEFF>Ah, fair enough
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19:07<Steven_M>blast_hardcheese: hehe
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19:08<Stolen>could someone tell me what this means, when i type finger
19:08<Stolen>root root *pts/1 1d Mar 10 17:50 (:2.0)
19:08<Stolen>the :2.0 part =/
19:08<blast_hardcheese>Stolen: You just fingered yourself :\
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19:10<sylarr>something is wrong with etch->lenny
19:10<gooey>what does sudo mean
19:11<sylarr>dpkg etch->lenny
19:11<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" or "stable" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
19:11<sylarr> aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade
19:11<blast_hardcheese>gooey: superuser do
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19:11<sylarr>but there is no safe-upgrade
19:11<sylarr>and no full-upgrade
19:11<gooey>blast_hardcheese: lol sorry that was a test, im trying out debian for the first time and i just want to see how easily it is to get flamed
19:11<sylarr>what should I do?
19:11<blast_hardcheese>gooey: huh
19:12<sylarr>anyone knows how to upgrade to lenny?
19:12<avu>!tell sylarr about etch->lenny
19:12<avu>read that. do what it says.
19:13<sylarr>avu there is no safe-upgrade
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19:13<avu>again. read it
19:13<sylarr>and no full-upgrade
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19:13<avu>you didn't read it.
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19:13<avu>do everything it says. in order.
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19:13<Steven_M>has anyone in here donated on this page before:
19:14<avu>Steven_M, stop spamming please
19:14<sylarr>avu I did
19:14<avu>sylarr, well then you don't have a problem. because you upgraded aptitude to the new version from lenny before using safe-upgrade
19:14<avu>sylarr, and that new version does have it
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19:16<sylarr>I have a problem so probably the upgrade of aptitude didn't work
19:16<_markus__>stew: thanks a lot! wouldn't have solved it without the examples in /usr/share/doc but that's why they exist :)
19:16<avu>!doesn't work
19:16<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
19:16<sylarr>you mean the aptitude install aptitude
19:16<sylarr>I'll do it again
19:17<avu>if that failed, of course you can't just continue witht he further steps and expect them to work.. :)
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19:17<cj>anybody there
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19:19<Steven_M>avu: I only wish to ask, is it normal to get a confirmation e-mail? I didn't get one and I don't know whether my donation to debian went through.
19:19<sylarr>avu, it seem to have had errors
19:20<sylarr>now I have one Error about one openoffice packge
19:20<avu>sylarr, well, if you want help, you should tell us what there errors are precisely :)
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19:21<sylarr>"A package failed to install trying to recover:"
19:21<sylarr>that is the error avu
19:21<avu>sylarr, it's only a small part of the whole error message
19:21<Supaplex>dpkg: error
19:21<dpkg>The error is on line 89373
19:21<avu>sylarr, show us exactly what you typed and the complete output you got. use a pastebin.
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19:22<sylarr>avu, I am between two computers here so that's why I don't paste
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19:23<sylarr>but I read it more carefully and it say the openoffice package is in too bad shape to be removed and it need to be reinstalled before it can be removed
19:23<sylarr>so I guess I will try to do that
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19:24<avu>sylarr, I thought you were trying to upgrade to lenny, not to remove openoffice?
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19:25<deed02392>hi guys, i've got a problem i think can be solved with something called 'linking'?
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19:26<deed02392>i've got a website all up and running at the moment in /home/myname with lighttpd
19:26<deed02392>i've offered to put up hosting for my friend, so to do this i'm gonna have to do vhosting
19:26<sylarr>avu, it stops the upgrade of aptitude because of this bad openoffice package
19:26<sylarr>avu, I don't know wy
19:27<deed02392>but according to lighttpd to achieve this i have to have everything in a folder that's the name of the domain
19:27<deed02392>now obviously my name isn't the name of the domain and i can't rename it or it'll mess everything up
19:27<avu>sylarr, well, did you do aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade *before* changing your sources.list to lenny as dpkg suggested?
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19:27<sylarr>avu, and now I try to reinstall this , and it doesn't work due to conflicts
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19:27<sylarr>avu yes
19:28<deed02392>so i was thinking can i create a folder like /home/lighttpd/ and link that directory to /home/myname, thereby having browser requests to that host directed there when lighttpd requests it?
19:28<sylarr>I did it all
19:28<avu>sylarr, yes, change your sources.list back to etch and resolve the problems before doing the upgrade
19:28<avu>sylarr, read the release notes for more detailed instructions on upgrading if what the bot wrote isn't enough
19:28<deed02392>anyone got any idea if that would work?
19:29<avu>deed02392, why don't you just set the document root of that vhost to the directory you want?
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19:29<avu>deed02392, $HTTP['host'] =~ "foo" ( document.root = "bar" ) or something like that
19:29<deed02392>according to it's module documents the name of the folder of the files for that vhost has to be the same name as the domain of the site
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19:30<avu>deed02392, that's just this silly simple vhost module
19:30<deed02392>which mod would i use in your case then?
19:30<avu>deed02392, but if you're bent on using that, sure, you can try symlinking too
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19:30<deed02392>well i'm not bent on anything.. i'm open to ideas, whichever is easiest
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19:31<avu>deed02392, you don't need any module
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19:31<deed02392>just that $HOST directive?
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19:32<avu>deed02392, just match on $HTTP['host'] and do whatever you want to happen if the match happens
19:32<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
19:32<deed02392>ok i'll try avu, cheers
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19:32<locsmif>NSAJEFF: ^^
19:32<avu>deed02392, has several examples of just that
19:32<deed02392>excellent, cheers
19:32<joss>is there an output possibility to apt-get install to display installed files per package as verbose output everytime i run apt-get install package?
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19:35<locsmif>!tell NSAJEFF about confmiss
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19:42<sylarr>avu, I did safe-upgrade and got at the end about 3 packages with unmet dependencies. Should I continue?
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19:44<sylarr>also there are two packages that I have fixed so they will not be upgraded, and forgot by now how I did that
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19:47<gerson>oi gente!
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19:47<_markus__>where can I still find sarge packages or sarge repositories, just in case?
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19:48<porq69>how i can program one module for kernel
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19:49<shilow>can someone help me ran an upgrade through update-manager ahwile back and it hosed my gnome i hadn't rebooted in 42 days and when i finally rebooted gnome-desktop-environment was gone and i'm not able to reinstall because the package python-evolytion is missing i've googled around but can't seem to find anything can anyone help?
19:50<shilow>[ython-evolution even
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19:55<user02>out of curiosity, how does the debian team design its website? what tools do they use?
19:56<stew>user02: i would assume they mostly use vim and emacs
19:56<user02>hmm is there still a rivalry there?
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19:57<user02>i kept with vim but maybe ill look at emacs
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20:02<sylarr>what should I do in etch->lenny if I get unmet dependencies for a few packages in 'aptitude safe-upgrade'
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20:02<stew>sylarr: nothing, they will be taken care of during the full-upgrade that you'll perform subsequently
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20:02<sylarr>thanks stew
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20:04<petern>nothing, because etch's aptitude does not support 'safe-upgrade'
20:05<sylarr>1500MB is gona be downloaded
20:06<sylarr>petern, lenny's aptitude has safe-upgrade surprisingly
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20:06<stew>petern: its recommended to install lenny's aptitude to perform the etch->lenny upgrade
20:07<abrotman>prior ?
20:07<abrotman>oh ..nevermind
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20:16<adb>!ru ?
20:16<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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20:19<matroskin>ÓÐÁÓÉÂÏ ))
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20:23<bizhan>HI All, I have a general Linux question, I have created a simple ramdisk based on busy box, when I type ifconfig it complains /proc/net/dev does not exist, do you know how that directory gets created, thanks?
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20:29<user02>hmm is the standard row width of a plain text email 64, 76, or 80 characters?
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20:31<user02>haha my question was 77 characters
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20:36<maxb>I don't know about "standard"
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20:36*maxb throws 72 into the pot
20:37<maxb>AFAIK the only reason for that length is to fit in an 80 character terminal even after the messages has been quote-intended a few times.
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20:43<user02>i think im going to go with 64, nice computer number and effective words per line
20:43<user02>for reading
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20:51<deviliano>ciao a tutti
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20:56<nightdrever>im new
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20:56<nightdrever>what is this for?
20:56<dpkg>somebody said debian was See
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20:57<bighornram>what is a good calendar choice to use to sync with google calendar? sunbird? evolution?
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20:58<nightdrever>what do you think is an esensual download for ubuntu?
20:58<abrotman>nightdrever: ask #ubuntu on
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20:59<abrotman>bighornram: which formats does google understand ?
20:59<nightdrever>how do i get there? sorry im new
20:59<abrotman>nightdrever: /server ... after it connects /join #ubuntu
20:59<abrotman>those are IRC client commands
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21:00<bighornram>abrotman: says mozilla sunbird, but googling i find a libopensync-plugin for evolution, though seems to have some bugs.
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21:00<rjent>Greetings, would someone be so kind as to recommend a usb ethernet adapter to use with Lenny?
21:01<abrotman>bighornram: apt-cache search sunbird ?
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21:03<nightdrever>ok im new to linux....what should i download for ubuntu?
21:03<bighornram>sunbird seems to equal iceowl
21:03<bighornram>will give that a try
21:03<abrotman>nightdrever: ask #ubuntu on
21:03<nightdrever>i dont know how to get there
21:03<abrotman>nightdrever: /server ... after it connects /join #ubuntu
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21:04<abrotman>bighornram: ah yes ...
21:04<dpkg>Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey), IceOwl(Sunbird).
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21:09<charlesf>Can someone help, the debian installer dit not recognise my nic card (intel Ethernet network pro 100)
21:10<abrotman>lspci -nn .. what is the PCI ID?
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21:11<charlesf>cinci it was supposed to be a net inst i beleive lspci is not installed ( lspci : command not fount)
21:11<vivi>tdO baum?
21:11<abrotman>and you have no network to install pciutils eh ?
21:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:12<charlesf>but in the install log i get :lspci -knn ... Intel corp. 82557/8/9/1 Ethernet Pro 100[8086:1229]
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21:12<abrotman>judd: pciid 8086:1229
21:12<judd>abrotman: [8086:1229] is '82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e100' in lenny. See also
21:13<abrotman>says the e100 should drive it
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21:14<charlesf>lsmod list e100
21:14<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:15<abrotman>charlesf: did you configure the device?
21:16<joss>cnyk: cool, still have that one also, are you sure i need to copy the i586/xen dir out from there?
21:16<charlesf>not shure to understand what you mean by configure
21:17<abrotman>charlesf: whta does /etc/network/interfaces look like ?
21:18<charlesf>only lo was set by the installer
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21:20<abrotman>charlesf: try adding `auto eth0` and `iface eth0 inet dhcp`
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21:22<charlesf>done then ifup -a ==> scanning the dhcp but got no answer... The light are not flasing on my nic
21:22<charlesf>got the message SIOCSFLAGS: cannnot asign requested address
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21:32<charlesf>ifconfig only list lo and "ifup eth0" sais interface eth0 already configure
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21:35<abrotman>what does /etc/init.d/networking restart .. do ?
21:35<charlesf>let me try
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21:36<charlesf>still the same ... scanning dhvp but nothig at the end
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21:41<charlesf>my /etc/modules list eepro100 should i try e100 instead ?
21:44<charlesf>after that should i load the module
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21:51<veni>sie sprechen deutsch?
21:51<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
21:51<Imdsm>hi, i've recently installed debian 5.0.0 on my laptop and had a few problems with hanging when i tried loading the kernal, i found out this was a problem with ACPI, and fixed it with noapic nolapic noacpi acpi=off, which lets me boot up debian but unfortunately means i can't use my wireless card. i'm a bit confused also as to if it does disable the use of my 2nd core (using intel pent t2310 dual-core), as i can see CPU 0 and CPU 1 usa
21:51<charlesf>I have noticed the eepro100 is in the blacklist anyway.
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21:57<charlesf>tks i will try later
21:57<kiwi>I have a quick question
21:59<kiwi>on the ftp, the dvd set for ppc only shows one iso file
21:59<kiwi>but the md5sum list shows 5
21:59<abrotman>which FTP?
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22:00<abrotman>there are five jigdo templates
22:00<kiwi>do I just need the one or are there more?
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22:00<kiwi>don't know what jigdo is
22:00<abrotman>you can just use the netinst if you have broadband
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22:00<kiwi>I just want the dvd set
22:01<kiwi>what's jigdo?
22:01<dpkg>i heard jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. at or
22:02*kiwi is reading through the links
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22:05<Txt-file>abrotman: how to change the dpkg-factoids?
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22:05<abrotman>they're all perfect!
22:06<Txt-file>no ... the de could have the on this server as main-german-help-channel ;)
22:07<Txt-file>but all the others are perfect
22:07<abrotman>uhm .. it does .. this is
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22:08<Txt-file>then is just another name for
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22:09<kiwi>alright I think I got the gist of what I need to do
22:09<kiwi>thank you very much
22:10<Txt-file>kk didn't know it ... thanks you
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22:10<duder>i'm having a hell of a time trying to get a /30 connection to a cisco router working. verified the router config by connecting to a win box.
22:11<duder>/etc/network/interfaces file has the static ip set with the proper mask
22:11<duder>proper broadcast and even the gateway
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22:11<duder>this is the second nic on that box, the first, also having a static ip (all rfc1918 range)
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22:12<abrotman>netmask? you probably don't want two gateways defined in your interfaces file
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22:12<duder>ok, so it's not kosher even for two seperate interfaces?
22:13<duder>in that same interfaces file, that is
22:13<eldowan>Is there some application or method that can report on the bandwidth usage of a USB port? kind of like network throughput?
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22:14<duder>how should i go about setting up this second nic card to belong to this second network?
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22:15<duder>and now the wife's hollering at me...
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22:16<abrotman>duder: problem being that it would try to set each as the default route
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22:23<duder>how do i get around that?
22:24<duder>two nics, two networks, one box i guess would be the scenario
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22:25<abrotman>you can have two routes .. but onyl one default
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22:25<duder>so then i need to just add a static route after bringing up the interface
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22:28<duder>end up with something like this for /etc/network/interfaces
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22:29<abrotman>does it work?
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22:31<duder>unfortunately no :(
22:31<abrotman>whata bout it doesn't work?
22:31<duder>destination host unreachable
22:31<duder>though i think i may have done the route command 'not right'
22:32<duder>as in, what i ended up with was what i originally had from the interfaces file
22:32<abrotman>route -n might help you
22:32<duder>yeah, that's what i'm using to see the routes
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22:33<duder>i ended up doing 'route add -net netmask gw'
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22:33<duder>which pretty much just put me back into the same situation as before with the mask and gw being defined in the interfaces file
22:33<abrotman>and then neither interface works ?
22:33<duder>no, the other one works fine
22:33<duder>i'm not having any issues with that
22:34<duder>it's just getting that second network to 'work'
22:35<abrotman>can you ping it from another machine ?
22:36<duder>the router? no, this is the only interface configured on it thus far
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22:37<duder>but when plugged in to a win laptop with the same network settings applied, ping and telnet both work fine to it
22:37<duder>so from my angle, it's pretty much looking like something i'm not doing right as far as the deb box is concerned
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22:42<duder>f0/0 <-> eth1 [[box]] eth2 <-> greater network: suppose this would be the "layout" so to speak
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22:44<duder>tcpdump (eth1) is showing the arp requests going out
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22:44<duder>but it's not getting any sort of answer
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22:45<duder>which is kind of weird because ifconfig shows "RX bytes:4928 (4.8 KiB) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)"
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22:45<abrotman>are the arp replies going out on eth0 ?
22:45<duder>no transmitted bytes. very strange i think
22:45<duder>eth0 is not in play
22:46<duder>that nic has been removed physically
22:46<abrotman>sorry .. eth2
22:46<duder>they are not going out over eth2 though
22:46<duder>lol, no, i was being an ass
22:46<abrotman>figured it out ?
22:47<duder>no, about the eth0/eth2 thing
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22:47<duder>this has had me pulling what little hair i've got out for the last two days
22:47<tcsetattr>I haven't been paying much attention here but... "route add -net netmask gw" can't possibly be good. It says "to get to, forward through" - that's an infinite chicken/egg problem
22:48<tcsetattr> can't both be a member of the remote network you're reaching through the gateway and also be the gateway itself
22:48<duder>i see what you're saying
22:49<duder>but, it's not really a 'remote' network
22:49<duder>it is the network
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22:50<tcsetattr>well you don't use "route add" with a "gw" argument for a network that the machine is directly connected to. you use that for something you have to use a gateway to get to! meaning it's at least 2 hops away
22:50<duder>ah, ok
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22:50<tcsetattr>if your Debian box is ON that network, then it must have either or as an interface address
22:51<duder>the router is configured as .1
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22:51<tcsetattr>if you set it up with as an address and as a netmask, the route to should appear automagically
22:51<duder>it should, i agree
22:51<duder>but for whatever reason, it is not
22:51<duder>maybe something to do with the other network being there, i'm not sure
22:52<tcsetattr>"other network" on a different interface shouldn't matter (unless they overlap which is bad)
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22:52<duder>after networking restart i end up with a routing table entries like this
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22:53<abrotman>duder: you might want to use to show us the routing table
22:53<duder>dest= gw= genmask= flags=U metric=0 ref=0 use=0 iface=eth1
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22:53<tcsetattr>yeah, that's the one.
22:53<Guest687>yo aqui quien alla
22:53<duder>destination unreachable
22:53<tcsetattr>that's correct. it will cause to be routed to eth1. that includes
22:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:54<tcsetattr>run /usr/sbin/arp -n and see what shows up
22:54<tcsetattr>after attempting a ping
22:54<duder>for hw address
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22:55<duder>blank hwtype,flags,mask
22:55<duder>got the iface right though
22:55<tcsetattr>does the "Iface" column show the right interface?
22:55<duder>eth1, indeed
22:55<tcsetattr>then your other box is not responding to the arp requests.
22:55<duder>if that were the case, the win box shouldn't be able to connect either
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22:56<duder>that's what's killing me. everything 'seems' right. yet it's not
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22:57<duder>and with a different machine, all works well to/from the router
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22:58<tcsetattr>maybe you have some stupid iptables setup that's dropping the arp replies?
22:59<duder>none atm
22:59<tcsetattr>time to get a packet dump from the other end. find out why it thinks some arp requests just aren't worth replying to
23:00<tcsetattr>or even initiate the ping from the other end, see how that goes
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23:01<duder>tcpdump shows nothing on that interface while being pinged from the router
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23:02<tcsetattr>ask the router for its arp table to find out if it knows anything
23:02<duder>it's got it's side of the /30
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23:03<duder>turned arp debug on
23:04<duder>trying to ping it again and not getting any debug statements
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23:04<duder>tcpdump is showing the arp requests on eth1
23:04<duder>arp who-has ...1 tell ...2
23:05<tcsetattr>outgoing. we need something to show an incoming packet.. just to prove that there's some activity on the wire!
23:05<duder>lol, i agree
23:05<tcsetattr>try a ping from the cisco end, and then "show ip arp" (if I remember my cisco commands)
23:06<duder>for mac
23:06<duder>nothing on tcpdump's end
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23:08<tcsetattr>makes me wonder if there's something wrong at the link level. speed/duplex negotation screwup maybe
23:09<duder>both are set to auto at present
23:09<duder>i'll play with those a bit
23:10<duder>see if i can get any kind of reaction
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23:10<tcsetattr>cisco used to tell people "force the speed" as the first automatic answer whenever there was an ethernet problem
23:11<Silicium01>Is it possible to change Gnome Language?
23:11<Silicium01>so that everything would appear in different languages (menus, tools etc)
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23:14<nsajeff>I did something bad...
23:14<nsajeff>I "kill -9 ***" while in the middle of a postfix installation while at the config screen
23:14<nsajeff>And now I can't fix the apps I installed or remove them
23:14<nsajeff>apt-get install postfix libsasl2-2 sasl2-bin libsasl2-modules procmail
23:14<kapil>nsajeff: "apt-get -f install" doesn't work?
23:15<nsajeff>Get a ton of errors
23:15<nsajeff>Can't reinstall or remove them now
23:15<kapil>look through /var/log/dpkg.log and see what was installed. perhaps you can use "dpkg" to fix things.
23:16<nsajeff>tried that
23:17<nsajeff>I tried killing the remaining postfix.config process...can't do it
23:17<nsajeff>li61-78:/var/log# ps aux | grep postfix
23:17<nsajeff>root 4026 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 03:08 0:00 [postfix.config.] <defunct>
23:17<nsajeff>root 4282 0.0 0.1 1728 584 pts/1 S+ 03:16 0:00 grep postfix
23:17<nsajeff>li61-78:/var/log# kill -9 4026
23:17<nsajeff>li61-78:/var/log# ps aux | grep postfix
23:17-!-nsajeff was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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23:18<tcsetattr>ah, trying to kill a zombie. and I thought NSA guys were supposed to be competent at least!
23:18<kapil>that is a defunct process. it should not cause a problem.
23:18<nsajeff>It is though.
23:18<nsajeff>tcsetattr, kindly fuck off ;)
23:19<tcsetattr>its parent process is the problem. run pstree -pH 4026
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23:19<kapil>nsajeff: you are being helped by tcsetattr. be polite!
23:20<nsajeff>"ah, trying to kill a zombie. and I thought NSA guys were supposed to be competent at least!" Is not polite.
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23:20<Silicium01>who are nsa?
23:20<kapil>how about "< tcsetattr> its parent process is the problem. run pstree -pH 4026"
23:20<nsajeff>Best you not know Silicium01
23:21<tcsetattr>kill has no effect on zombie processes ("defunct", "Z" in status column) because they're already dead. the only way a zombie process goes away is when another process buries it. that is the parent process's responsibility, or init if the parent dies.
23:21<nsajeff>kapil, please note the time-stamps
23:21<Silicium01>nsajeff, now I wanna know even more
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23:21<nsajeff>My comment was targeted at his. Yes, he is helping now and its much appreciated and I will respond in kind.
23:21<Silicium01>national security agency?
23:21<nsa_fiend>anyone know of a open source pdf editor?
23:22<tcsetattr>excuse me for trying to act like a person and use humor instead of being a mindless drone.
23:22<tcsetattr>and now, there's 2 of them! :)
23:22<nsa_fiend>or just a free one?
23:22<Silicium01>wow 2 indeed
23:22<Silicium01>tcsetattr, seriously who are nsa?
23:22<nsa_fiend>right. pdfs anyone?
23:22<kapil>nsa_fiend: depends on whether you want to "edit" the pdf or just annotate it.
23:23<tcsetattr>everyone but you, Silicium. you're being studied.
23:23<nsa_fiend>definitely need to be able to manipulate the data already in the pdf
23:23<Silicium01>tcsetattr, please dont confuse me further lol
23:23<tcsetattr>Still wondering if the first guy found the parent of that zombie process yet. it's really a good thing to look at.
23:23<tcsetattr>pstree is fairly self-explanatory, I hope
23:23<kapil>you could use pstoedit. or, you could convert to ps and use ipe.
23:24<nsajeff>tcsetattr, I killed it, fixed the installation with apt-get -f install and ran dpkg
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23:24<nsajeff>And sent you a private message.
23:24<Silicium01>seriously you guys, who's nsa? some sort of college?
23:24<nsajeff>National Security Agency.
23:25<tcsetattr>oh. general /ignore on private messages bites again. sorry
23:25<nsajeff>No worries.
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23:25<kapil>Silicium01: turn the "n" around to get the country which "National" refers to.
23:25<Silicium01>nsajeff, wow, you guys run Debians?
23:25<tcsetattr>pick any of these:
23:25<nsajeff>USNSA doesn't sound right..
23:26<Silicium01>I picked Natuurwetenschappelijke Studievereniging Amsterdam
23:27<tcsetattr>I pick National Scrabble Association!
23:27<nsajeff><--Scrabble champ once upon a time ;)
23:27<Silicium01>there you go
23:27<nsa_fiend>kapil: pstoedit allows manipulation of pdfs?
23:27<nsajeff>I'm quitting my job and going pro!
23:27<kapil>tcsetattr: that doesn't quite work since it is Scrabble (TM) so it is ns(tm)a
23:28<kapil>nsa_fiend: i think it handles pdf as well. let me check.
23:29<Silicium01>nsa_fiend, isnt Evince document viewer good enough?
23:29<nsa_fiend>is scrabble over?
23:30<duder>probably should have tried this earlier... tossed in a new nic
23:30<kapil>nsa_fiend: "pstoedit - PostScript and PDF files to editable vector graphics converter"
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23:32<tcsetattr>"evince" is a good scrabble word. get rid of a V and a C.
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23:35<kapil>Silicium01: i've heard about evince being able to edit pdf's. but it is not listed in the features at
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23:42<ppooopr>is nautilus-gksu safe to install?
23:45<nsa_fiend>i ran 'set QTDIR="/usr/share/qt4"' but the variable still did not seem to set correctly. there is no output from 'env | grep QT'
23:47<tcsetattr>"set" is not used for setting environment variables. it sets etierh the command line array (in Bourne-family shells) or a regular non-environment shell variable (in csh)
23:47<ppooopr>why is it so dead in here?
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23:48<tcsetattr>s/etierh/either/ wow, what a typo
23:48<nsa_fiend>then i ran 'QTDIR=/usr/share/qt4 ./configure'. now i'm getting a new error about qmake being found but failing a check
23:49<nsa_fiend>configure: QMAKESPEC environment variable is not set
23:49<nsa_fiend>checking for QT qmake... found /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake but it failed check
23:49<ppooopr>is this the extent of the debian community?
23:49<ppooopr>ii mean on irc
23:50<duder>definetly a network issue on debian
23:50<duder>took down the other interface
23:50<duder>and only brought up the one to the cisco. all was well
23:50<duder>brought the other interface back up, couldn't get out from it
23:51<tcsetattr>the routing setup must be wrong somehow
23:51<ppooopr>so there's 2 interfaces?
23:51<duder>yeah, i'm not configurizing something right :(
23:51<duder>two physical interfaces to two seperate networks
23:52<ppooopr>and they converge here?
23:52<duder>both static. yes
23:52<duder>i'm not concerned with making them 'talk across' at this juncture
23:52<duder>i'm just trying to get them both 'up' at the same time
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23:53<tcsetattr>can you post your complete netstat -rn output
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23:53<duder>let me get it back on this network
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23:53<ppooopr>so they wouldnt even be able to communicate with one another?
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23:55<ppooopr>i guess this is what you get when you have something run entirely by volunteers, not that its a bad thing- it just has its downsides
23:55<duder>probably not without some more config'ing
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23:56<tcsetattr>ppooopr, did you join this channel just to complain about it not living up to your expectations?
23:56<duder>netstat -rn @
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23:57<ppooopr>no i joined this channel to find out if nautilus-gksu safe to install?
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23:58<ppooopr>safe to have on your system i meant
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23:59<duder>ah, btw, eth1 has now become eth3 since i popped in a different nic
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