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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-13

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00:11<chitchat>goodger: Thanks so much for your help ealier. After much more stuffing around with many more hidden -dev page variants, not to mention apt-file searches and googling, I finally managed to get everything to work. Phew!
00:11<goodger>chitchat: I'm glad
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01:14<snogglethorpe>anyone know the command to bind a process to a particular core/cpu?
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01:39<tcsetattr>snogglethorpe, the command appears to be "taskset"
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02:00<aetheria>is there any condition under which an upgrade would cause an entire db in /var/lib/mysql to disappear?
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02:01<snogglethorpe>tcsetattr: thx!
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03:44<petern>my alt-gr key wasn't working normally so i rebooted
03:45<petern>now it does work, but none of my media keys work, or suspend
03:45<petern>or the forward/back mouse buttons :(
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03:56<petern>odd, don't show up with showkey in the console either :o
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04:00<jm_>try evtest and xev
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04:06<petern>xev showed nothing either :o
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04:15<petern>sorted it. i had mouseemu installed for some reason, which somehow intercepted all events and then ignored a load of them
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04:16<jm_>and it interferes with keyboard too? weird
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04:56<cahoot>after resume from s2ram I notice syslog being spammed by dhclient incessantly asking the router for an ip although there already is a working connection - where/how could I stop this behaviour?
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05:23<Anonimous>k os pillan
05:23<pata_liebreeeee>ahora mismo
05:24<Stefan_Jacobs>did anyone install etch successfully on compaq cq50-106au notebook?
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05:24<Anonimous>kien es el stefan??
05:24<Stefan_Jacobs>sorry amigo I can't speak espanol
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05:25<cahoot>Stefan_Jacobs: why install etch now that lenny is stable?
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05:25<Anonimous>who are you stefan???
05:25<pata_liebreeeee>me cago en la madre del ingles
05:25<Stefan_Jacobs>because I don't have access to internet
05:25<pata_liebreeeee>tu madre por si acaso
05:25<Stefan_Jacobs>so I can't download lenny immediately..
05:25<cahoot>Stefan_Jacobs: already checked
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05:26<Stefan_Jacobs>checking it cahoot
05:26<Anonimous>where are you fron???
05:26<Stefan_Jacobs>thanks for the link cahoot :)
05:26<Stefan_Jacobs>anonimous I am from India
05:27<pata_liebreeeee>sstupid boys
05:27<amphi_>what is it about
05:27*amphi_ sighs
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05:27<pata_liebreeeee>You haven got friends!!
05:27<pata_liebreeeee>you haven't got friendssss
05:28<Anonimous>stefan, how are india??
05:28<pata_liebreeeee>anonimous is stupid
05:28<pata_liebreeeee>stefan is gay
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05:28<Stefan_Jacobs>warm and humid this time o' the year...
05:28<amphi_>!ops pata_liebreeeee Anonimous trolling
05:28<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: amphi_ complains about: pata_liebreeeee Anonimous trolling
05:28<Stefan_Jacobs>still I can see tux alround me
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05:29<Anonimous>how change the colour of the letters??
05:30<Stefan_Jacobs>I dunno
05:30<amphi_>thanks Ganneff
05:30<Stefan_Jacobs>btw anonimous... which debian you are using?
05:30<Stefan_Jacobs>still using etch or lenny now ?
05:30<Stefan_Jacobs>etch does not detect my notebook's dvd drive :(
05:30<cahoot>Stefan_Jacobs: he's not with us anymore I hope
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05:31<Anonimous>i don't know!!
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05:41<friki74>fabio es homosexual
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05:42<Anonimous>tamos solos??
05:42<YesWeCan>Who are you?
05:42<Anonimous>k tio
05:42<Anonimous>i don't know
05:43<YesWeCan>I don't speak english
05:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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05:43<Anonimous>yo soy español
05:43<llutz>azeem_: just poor trolls
05:44<Anonimous>habla en español
05:44<YesWeCan>I don speak spanish very well
05:44<Anonimous>k sino nos echan
05:44<YesWeCan>I speak french better than english
05:44<azeem_>Anonimous, YesWeCan: this is an english channel; either write in english, keep quiet or leave, please
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05:44<Anonimous>im speak english
05:45<azeem>do you have a Debian question?
05:45<azeem>Anonimous: then please keep quiet or leave
05:45<YesWeCan>My answer is...
05:46<YesWeCan>why is debian very complicated??
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05:46<YesWeCan>Anonimus isn't my friend
05:47<koollman>YesWeCan: it's user friendly. but only if the user is smart enough
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05:48<YesWeCan>Fabio gay
05:48<Anonimous>tio, o hablas en español o me echan
05:48<YesWeCan>enter here
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05:49<Anonimous>moky speak spañish, or my are kick
05:50<YesWeCan>loco rocco is conected
05:50<YesWeCan>Obama is the best
05:50<Anonimous>oh yeah
05:50<YesWeCan>Obama is black
05:50<Anonimous>obama is dark
05:50<YesWeCan>Penes flacidos
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05:51<Anonimous>yeswecan, shat up or kick
05:51<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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05:51<YesWeCan>Fabio is very stupid and very very ffffffffffffffff..
05:52<rocco>dejar de ablar en ingles frikis
05:52<Anonimous>rocco esk sino nos exan
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05:52<YesWeCan>yo tambien hablar españolo deputamadre
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05:53<Anonimous>moky se ha pueso ha hablar en ingles y a puesto el server en incles
05:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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05:54<Anonimous>moky you are crash the server
05:54<@Ganneff>Anonimous: do you have any debian question?
05:54<@Ganneff>then dont talk
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05:54<Anonimous>but i'm don't speak spanish well, but i'm trying
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05:59<IFuckedCodysMomLastNight>\j #b210
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06:41<jrodger>has anyone updated Open Office to 3.*?
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06:48<stbuser>could someone help me with stable 5.0 version plz
06:49<jrodger>what version?
06:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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06:54<cahoot>after resume from s2ram I notice syslog being spammed by dhclient incessantly asking the router for an ip although there already is a working connection - where/how could I stop this behaviour?
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06:58<zem>hi, how do you install ati drivers? i installed only nvidia until now with module asistant
06:58<jm_>!tell zem -about fglrx
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07:00<stbuser>on lenny 5.0 theres no access point listed on samsung R60 laptop with athoeros wlan0 in roaming mode - the oder problem after installing newest ati 1250 onboard driver display went dark after reboot - no tty1 login possible
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07:21<stbuser>but system is running so far ;)
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07:31<neocortex>hello, does anyone knows how and where to find and install package which contains python library collections?
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07:31<jm_>stbuser: ask again later, also check wiki for known issues
07:31<stbuser>thank you :)
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07:34<jm_>stbuser: and then follow the link to your driver
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07:44<jrodger>when will debian update open office?
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07:44<tarzeau>jrodger: did you check for it?
07:45<tarzeau>jrodger: which version would you like? they have 3.0.1-5
07:45<jrodger>yes, but only up to 2.4, I am after 3.x
07:45<tarzeau>jrodger: no debian has 3.0.1-5
07:45<jrodger>how do I get upgrade then? what repo do I need add?
07:45<streuner__>judd, versions
07:45<tarzeau>jrodger: did you check ?
07:45<judd>streuner__: -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 squeeze: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 sid: 1:3.0.1-5
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07:47<jrodger>oops, again, was dc
07:47<streuner>judd, versions
07:47<judd>streuner: -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 squeeze: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 sid: 1:3.0.1-5
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08:03<stbuser>bye have to reboot thx again
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08:08<jrodger>so which repository has Open Office 3.0?
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08:09<jackyf>jrodger: sid
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08:18<ikkerus>Hay guys...
08:18<ikkerus>Nice to get cgi irc running.. :)
08:19<ikkerus>can you tell me why all printing buttons are greyed out after upgrading from etch to lenny?
08:22<ikkerus>or anyone?! :/
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08:23<FoxBG>hi all
08:23<FoxBG>Can it inform me Some Who is the consequence in com Iz For There are fires of the menus
08:24<FoxBG>Works that have remained only are away Those menus fires
08:24<jm_>FoxBG: ar you using english translator?
08:24<FoxBG>yes :)
08:24<jm_>sorry but it's not really understandable
08:24<jm_>ikkerus: printing buttons where?
08:25<FoxBG>ok i try simple
08:25<FoxBG>i have installed compiz
08:25<FoxBG>and work fine
08:25<FoxBG>but compiz have a efdect on the menus
08:25<FoxBG>i thong fires
08:26<jm_>hmm I have no idea - did you check BTS for compiz?
08:27<FoxBG>i can paste link from youtube
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08:27<FoxBG>in this clip
08:27<FoxBG>look menus blue effect
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08:29<jm_>you want the fires?
08:29<fanto666>Hello, does lenny's dlocate with multiple filenames on command line work for anyone? Seemd it does not for me...
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08:30<FoxBG>now i see in the compizconfig
08:30<jm_>hmm maybe it's some sort of plugin you need to enable
08:30<FoxBG>mabu but who ?
08:30<jm_>I have no idea, I never used it
08:30<fanto666>the "dlocate /usr/bin/nwrite /usr/bin/bsd-write" nor "dlocate -S /usr/bin/nwrite /usr/bin/bsd-write" outputs anything
08:31<fanto666>worked in etch
08:33<jrodger>jackyf: what is sid?
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08:42<jrodger>jackyf: what are the other details? distribution? section?
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08:43<jackyf>jrodger: paste 'unstable' or 'sid' as distribution in your sources.list
08:43<jackyf>also I suppose you has been warned about unstable
08:44<craigevil>!sid faq
08:44<dpkg> or (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny...
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08:46<sangeetha>can anyone help me to create debian-archive-keyring.gpg
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08:49<maxb>sangeetha: create it? Don't you mean download it?
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08:50<sangeetha>maxb, i have generated a key
08:51<sangeetha>maxb, i want to know how to create -archive-keyring.gpg
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08:51<maxb>sangeetha: Please explain why you think you should create debian-archive-keyring.gpg
08:53<sangeetha>maxb, i have a repository and i want to create release.gpg file for that
08:53<maxb>debian-archive-keyring.gpg would be the keyring for the debian archive. Perhaps you want to create a sangeetha-archive-keyring.gpg
08:54<sangeetha>maxb, yes
08:54<maxb>How you do that would depend entirely on which software you're using to manage the archive
08:55<sangeetha>maxb, can i knowwhich software debian is using for that
08:55<sangeetha>maxb, can i know which software debian is using for that
08:55<maxb>It is using whichever software you installed and configured.
08:56<sangeetha>maxb, am not able to get u
08:56<sangeetha>maxb, can u please tell me more clearly since this is new for me
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08:57<maxb>You said "i have a repository". How are the Sources, Packages, Release files generated?
08:59<sangeetha>maxb, I have downloaded repository from debian
08:59<maxb>What did you download?
08:59<sangeetha>maxb, the whole repository
09:00<maxb>Then you should not be replacing the Release.gpg file
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09:01<sangeetha>maxb, but if i do net installation connecting to this repository
09:01<sangeetha>maxb, it is not fetching the release file
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09:02<sangeetha>maxb, its throwing an error like release.gpg not found
09:02<maxb>Then perhaps you should have downloaded the Release and Release.gpg files too
09:03<sangeetha>maxb, yes i have downloaded the release files also
09:04<sangeetha>maxb, I have done customisation of some package
09:04<sangeetha>maxb, then i will have to create a new release file
09:04<sangeetha>maxb, in turn should create a new release.gpg file also
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09:06<maxb>And how are you generating your updated Packages, Sources, and Release files?
09:06<sangeetha>maxb, through apt-ftparchive
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09:09<sangeetha>maxb, how to create release.gpg
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09:11<maxb>sangeetha: gpg -b -a -u keyid -o Release.gpg Release
09:12<sangeetha>maxb, what is the keyid here
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09:15<maxb>the id of the key you want to use
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09:16<sangeetha>maxb, ok thanks
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09:18<sangeetha>maxb, so there is no need to create sangeetha-archive-keyring.gpg
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09:19<sangeetha>maxb, ok
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09:26<moz>i need help with my ap and wireless net
09:26<moz>I'm a newbie
09:26<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <rt2x00>, <rt28xx>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
09:27<moz>it's Atheros
09:27<dpkg>Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <madwifi> for stable wireless chipset drivers; <ath5k>, <ath9k>, <ar9170> or <otus> for wireless drivers under development. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2> or <atl1e> for Ethernet adapter drivers.
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09:33<deed02392>anyone here know of a piece of software to provide remote desktop access with a web interface
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09:34<moz>cahoot, i followed the instuction of dpkg and i installed madwifi
09:35<moz>now i notice that my wlan device is not displayed by ifconfig
09:35<Tuplad>hey! I've got A LOT of background noise (sounds like a helicopter) if I record something with my mic. anyone knows how that happens and what I can do about it ?
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09:36<cahoot>moz: I've followed your issue on earlier today, considering the immens amount of time spent to patiently try to help you I think you leaving message earlier was way out of line
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09:38<moz>cahoot, ok, as you like ...
09:39<Tuplad>hey! I've got A LOT of background noise (sounds like a helicopter) if I record something with my mic. anyone knows how that happens and what I can do about it ?
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09:42<cahoot>adjust mixersettings?
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09:43<Tuplad>I have something like a helicopter sound going on :\
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09:46<deed02392>anyone here know of a piece of software to provide remote desktop access with a web interface
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09:46<edsonmarquezani>i guess tightvnc do this
09:46<edsonmarquezani>try it
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09:47<edsonmarquezani>i never tested it, but i heard something about
09:47<deed02392>it needs to be able to support proxy authentication on the client side
09:47<cahoot>deed02392: what do you mean by 'web interface'?
09:47<deed02392>and no vnc client i know of can do that
09:47<edsonmarquezani>probabily needs java on browser
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09:48<deed02392>java is enabled on the browser, but it can't handle aproxy authentication
09:48<deed02392>the java applet supplied that is
09:48<jm_>there are commercial solutuions for it
09:48<deed02392>remotelyanywhere does, but it's windodws only
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09:48<deed02392>i don't mind if it costs
09:48<deed02392>some names jm_?
09:49<jm_>deed02392: I'd have to search, don't remember it off top of my head
09:49<deed02392>please do
09:49<edsonmarquezani>windows version of tightvnc does
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09:49<edsonmarquezani>i have just testes
09:50<edsonmarquezani>i guess linux version should do that, too
09:50<edsonmarquezani>but i really never tryed it
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09:52<deed02392>what, it's client authenticates with a proxy?
09:52<jm_>deed02392: webex
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09:53<edsonmarquezani>once your client is a browser... it should word even with a proxy auth
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09:55<deed02392>but edsonmarquezani, the java applet doesn't use the browser's web connection like a wrapper, it tries to connect itself, so if proxy authentication isn't built into the client applet then it won't be able to connect.
09:55<edsonmarquezani>oh.. you're right
09:56<deed02392>yeah =[
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09:56<edsonmarquezani>but... without java... how could you do that inside the browser ?
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09:56<edsonmarquezani>there must be a way
09:56<deed02392>well, you'd have to use java :) but i need one where someone has written in the support to the java applet
09:56<deed02392>like remotelyanywhere have done for their client
09:56<deed02392>unforunately it only works on windows
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09:57<willy2>debian doesnt install my harddrivers automatically i have to select one from a list
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09:57<willy2>is there a debian live cd where it installs ie gnome automatically and xorg
09:58<jm_>uhm one can achieve totally automatic installation using preseeding
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09:58<azeem>willy2: live CDs don't install anythin
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09:58<willy2>yes but those install iso
09:58<willy2>debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso 09-Mar-2009 05:10 644M
09:58<willy2>sid doesnt work _
09:58<deed02392>harddrivers: LOL
09:58<willy2>with gnome? _
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09:59<azeem>willy2: what is your problem?
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09:59<willy2>i cant install debian coes i dont know what harddrives i have
09:59<edsonmarquezani>ok, it seens like you know more than i about it... so, i'm afraid i cant help you.. good luck ;)
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10:00<valdyn>willy2: are you sure that the automatic live cd installer that guesses which harddisk to use will do better than you guessing which harddrive to install on?
10:01<willy2>i have net install i need to know what harddrives i use??
10:01<willy2>its automatic in other softs.
10:01<willy2>so sid doesnt support gnome nor kde4 _
10:02<llutz>there's no kde4 in sid now
10:02<willy2>does it even have nvidia drivers?
10:02<willy2>can you recomend another distro
10:03<llutz>yes, no
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10:03<willy2>why cant i get the install to work ?
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10:03<jm_>wmy bet would be on lack of skills
10:03<Goruk>hey i got a oracle xe instaled on debian linux, its working at sqlplus local console but if i try to connect from a external computer with sqldeveloper for example it dont work. im missing some configuration to enable external connections?
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10:03<llutz>rhetorical question
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10:04<jm_>Goruk: you need to ask in oracle support forums
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10:12<BIG_Yack>Hello. Anybody here?
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10:13<BIG_Yack>I have a question about kernel.
10:14<BIG_Yack>I have just installed Dbian Lenny from the minimal ISO CD, which comes with kernel 2.6.26.
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10:15<petemc>thats not a question
10:15<BIG_Yack>So, in the terminal (i have no desktop installed) how do I upgrade my kernel from 2.6.26 to 2.6.28 (latest stable)?
10:15<petemc>lenny doesnt have 2.6.28
10:15<jm_>that's only available as a trunk kernel
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10:15<BIG_Yack>Is tehre really now way to upgrade? My wireless card is only compatble with kernel 2.6.27
10:16<jm_>!tell BIG_Yack -about trunk kernel
10:16<jm_>you can always compile your own
10:16<BIG_Yack>Thanks for the info. Are there any instructions availbale for compiling 2.6.28?
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10:18<jm_>ask dpkg about kp etc.
10:18<jm_>well /msg dpkg kp
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10:20<BIG_Yack>Thank you.
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10:20<Cadmium01>are files ending in ~ hidden in nome by defau;t?
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10:23<FoxM>Hi. Can I run eclipse using Sun's JVM?
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10:26<nas>guys is there a package in debian that allows central login?
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10:27<Cadmium01>nas, what's a central login?
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10:27<nas>like for example add the user to a db and user is already able to access multiple servers
10:27<nas>ssh to multiple servers
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10:28<nas>then delete the user from db, user will be unable to ssh to server
10:28<nas>is there something like that
10:28<nas>rather than adding the user in each server?
10:28<Cadmium01>not sure, I know it can be done with ssh keys
10:28<Cadmium01>not sure if there is a package ready to help
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10:28<nas>ssh keys cn do that?
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10:29<Cadmium01>I've heard, Im jst a newbie, dont count on me :)
10:29<Cadmium01>look to sshing without password
10:29<Cadmium01>to = for*
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10:30<Cadmium01>then I guess you could create keys and distribute to sers that you want to authenticate
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10:34<nas>hmm.. ok
10:34<nas>i will look into that
10:34<nas>guys any other ideas?
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10:34<koollman>nas: there are many things like that
10:35<berto>nas: you can do that with LDAP for example
10:35<koollman>nas: do you have an existing user database ? many different OS to support ?
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10:38<chnapsy>dones anyone knows a way to set a ethX nic with its MAC address using a preseed file during installation ?
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10:39<berto>nas: this is probably a bit old and not specific do debian, but you get the idea ->
10:39<nas>yeah i know LDAP
10:39<nas>but i am not aware can use the login there for ssh
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10:39<berto>you can, with pam
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10:39<berto>nas: just tell pam.d/ssh to use LDAP for authentication
10:40<berto>nas: and you'll have all your ssh servers authenticated against a single, central database
10:40<nas>oh i see, really?! :)
10:40<berto>(it doesn't have to be ldap, there are pam modules for other databases too)
10:41<nas>so deleting a user from LDAP would revoke his ssh login to the server?
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10:41<berto>nas: yes
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10:41<nas>thank you
10:41<nas>i will try it
10:41<berto>nas: and you can even share the same home directory if you export it using a network protocol
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10:42<nas>why would i want the same home directory?
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10:43<nas>i mean which case would it be applicable?
10:43<berto>nas: to let your users have the same files no matter the computer they log into
10:43<berto>nas: if you don't need that, don't use it
10:44<imtermittent>does anyone know if the nvidia-glx supports a 9500GT?
10:45<imtermittent>the 9500 mobile is listed
10:45<nas>oh ok
10:45<nas>yeah that's good
10:45<amjad>is there a way to find if a laptop is debian/linux compatible?
10:45<nas>thanks berto :) :)
10:45<berto>nas: you're welcome :)
10:45<chnapsy>search linux laptop
10:46<cahoot>amjad: try
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10:46<imtermittent>mine seems to be alright with it, ATI support sucks no matter what you use
10:46<berto>amjad: buy a thinkpad :D
10:46<amjad>really berto
10:46<imtermittent>buy one with as much Intel stuff in it as possible
10:46<imtermittent>then you know it should work
10:46<amjad>berto, I have always thought IBM laptops are bad
10:46<chnapsy>does anybody here knows a lot about debian-installer and preseed files ?
10:46<berto>it was a half joke, but in my experience they have good compatibility with linux
10:47<berto>amjad: well, they're my favourite ones :)
10:47<llutz>amjad: definetly wrong, best notebooks money can buy :)
10:47<berto>amjad: I have one and I wouldn't change it for anything
10:47<amjad>imtermittent, I recently bought a PC with G4 intel graphics. Had trouble starting x on it
10:47<imtermittent>avoid anything that has ATI graphics
10:47<imtermittent>you should be alright
10:47<imtermittent>Intel stuff just works and Nvidia will with their driver
10:47<amjad>berto, llutz you opened my eyes
10:48<amjad>imtermittent, is G4 ATI?
10:48<imtermittent>a Powermac G$?
10:48<imtermittent>G4 rather
10:48<amjad>G4 is the graphics adapter in it
10:49<imtermittent>hmmmmm, never heard of that
10:49<berto>amjad: and there's good documentation to use them with linux ( although I imagine that this applies to other brands as well
10:50<amjad>imtermittent, looks like its their newest stuff
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10:50<amjad>berto, I will now look for a thinkpad
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10:51<imtermittent>have there really not been any kernel updates since January?
10:51<berto>amjad: they're not the cheapest ones, though
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10:52<amjad>not a good news, berto
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10:53<nas>guys which IRC client are you using?
10:53<imtermittent>I have apt sources for updates, I've refreshed them
10:53<berto>amjad: if you're looking for something cheaper, I've heard that dell laptops have good linux compatibility too
10:53<nas>coz i am only using FF
10:53<amjad>berto, do you any good place to buy them from?
10:53<imtermittent>but it's not offering me anything
10:53<jaku007>nas: I use pidgin
10:53<berto>i use irssi
10:53<amjad>nas, me xchat
10:53<amphi>nas: irssi
10:54*imtermittent shoots himself
10:54<amphi>pay no attention to amjad
10:54<amjad>amphi, why
10:54<amphi>amjad: because he didn't say 'irssi'
10:54<chnapsy>dones anyone knows a way to set a ethX nic linked its MAC address using a preseed file during installation ?
10:55<amjad>amphi, ohhh
10:55<amphi>amjad: er, you
10:55<amjad>I will switch to irssi
10:55<berto>I think I'm about to switch to erc, though
10:55<amphi>amjad: I joke - whatever works for you
10:56<amphi>but irssi is very pleasant
10:56<amjad>amphi, I know but I would like use what the whole prefer
10:56<amjad>whole team*
10:56<dpkg>i guess irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see , or see the #irssi channel on freenode
10:56<cahoot>nas see 114 and 115
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10:56<berto>amjad: xchat and irssi are very popular ones
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10:57<amjad>berto, yes
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10:57<imtermittent>someone explain how you go two months with no kernel updates
10:57<dpkg>i heard xchat is a nifty irc client that has gnome and transparency and panel and shaded transparency and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or for win32 xchat : or #xchat @, or in violation of GPL
10:57<dpkg>[erc] an awesome emacs-based irc client.. most people on #emacs use it..
10:58<amphi>I feared as much ;)
10:58<berto>no more words are needed
10:58<imtermittent>emacs is an operating system complete with an IRC client, but still no decent editor
10:59<imtermittent>Debian is a popular plugin as well
10:59<amjad>Today I learned a shortcut by chance. Alt+backspace erases one word to the left
11:00<amjad>word between / and /
11:00<amjad>/etc/var/www , alt_bkspc will erase only www
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11:00<amjad>ctrl+w will erase /etc/var/www
11:01<berto>amjad: someday you will find that all those shortcuts are the same in emacs too, and you'll switch forever :)
11:01<imtermittent>the Choose Best Mirror is a lot like yum-fastestmirror, it pings them all and chooses the one with lowest ping
11:01<amjad>Just wanted to share it
11:01<imtermittent>then you find out that the download speeds are actually slower
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11:01<amjad>berto, I knoe they are like emacs but never got used to emacs
11:02<imtermittent>nano is usually enough for me
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11:03<amjad>imtermittent, what about word wrap in nano
11:03<imtermittent>I don't necessarily want something with 27 key combinations just to exit the program when all I needed was to edit some text :P
11:03<amjad>imtermittent, I wanted it to show me the full line
11:04<berto>you'll only need to use 27 key combinations in emacs if you're going to use 27 different functions
11:04<berto>if you just want to write text, save and quit
11:04<amjad>berto, you gave me an idea though
11:04<berto>you need just two, or use the mouse and the menu or the toolbar ;)
11:05<imtermittent>have I done something wrong configuring my system? I have all my apt sources set up
11:05<amjad>lean emacs and you have mastered bash shortcuts
11:06<berto>amjad: up to a certain point, yes
11:06<imtermittent>bash, yay so many script extensions that work nowhere else
11:06<berto>I only learnt to use undo in bash until I used it in emacs
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11:09<amjad>by the way how you guys type, like a typist?
11:10<amjad>I tried but did not get used to it as you have to use different keys unlike typing a letter
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11:12<damiano>hello everybody
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11:13<damiano>i'm using 2.6.26-1-686-bigmem.....when i was installing nvidia drivers the got an error
11:13<damiano>XEN Kernel!
11:14<damiano>but i don't have xen kernel
11:14<damiano>how to fix this problem?
11:14<imtermittent>I was amused that Debian actually installed onto XFS and used GRUB without falling over and dying
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11:16<adb>tell damiano about multiple ask , see bts
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11:23<imtermittent>I think I'll convert my desktop over to Debian
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11:23<imtermittent>the biggest thing I lose is Ext4, but XFS is acceptable
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11:27<chealer>damiano: please paste the output
11:29<damiano>i haven't output...the installer doesn't seems XEN flag is set into kenrle configuration
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11:32<damiano>ERROR: The kernel you are installing for is a Xen kernel! <-
11:32<Dynami>How well will Debian perform on a 930mhz, 512ram
11:32<valdyn>Dynami: fine
11:33<valdyn>Dynami: yes
11:33<Dynami>I'd of thought pretty bad really. With gnome.
11:33<llutz>depends on usage
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11:34<Dynami>Do any of the versions of Debian come with the newest version of Gnome
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11:37<goodger>Dynami: simple answer: no, they do not
11:37<goodger>it might be in experimental but running experimental for general use is highly inadvisable
11:37<Dynami>But it can be compiled blah blah ?
11:38<goodger>I can only assume so
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11:39<chealer>damiano: when doing what?
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11:39<Dynami>debian-500-i386 .. is Debian 5.0 i presume
11:40<damiano>chealer: when i was installing ndvidia driver
11:40<damiano>i found a patch
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11:41<damiano> <--- here
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11:44<king>i install debian 5.0 with virtualbox in xp sp2. with the NAT link , i must run dhclient first, other wise i cannot connect to the internet, and anybody know why?
11:44<Dynami>Installing Debian inside windows isn't a very good idea anyway
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11:46<king> and do you know why?
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11:47<Dynami>Windows isn't really a stable OS
11:47<Dynami>Why not dual boot ?
11:47<chealer>damiano: at which step?
11:47<berto>that's not the answer to the question I think, he's asking why debian 5 needs to use dhcp in virtualbox :)
11:47<damiano>chealer: at the end
11:48<berto>needs to use it manually
11:48<damiano>(before the installing)
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11:48<king>berto: yes
11:48<berto>I guess debian 5 sets up net ifaces to use dhcp by default
11:48<berto>king: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces ?
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11:49<berto>you should have something like 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' I think
11:49<chealer>damiano: that's quite vague. which command are you executing?
11:50<king>yes , the same as you said
11:50<chealer>damiano: nvidia-installer isn't supported here
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11:51<berto>king: don't know then, I think it should work
11:51<berto>king: do you have 'auto eth0' too ?
11:52<king>auto lo iface lo inet loopback allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
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11:53<berto>king: try adding 'auto eth0' before 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' and reboot
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11:54<Dynami>Debian install, wish me luck :P haha
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11:54<king>ok, thanks very much. i will have a try
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11:56<imtermittent>if a distribution actually recommends using Nvidia's script, I run like hell
11:57<berto>where can I find a debian sarge mirror ?
11:57<imtermittent>they actually replace your libglu with their own version, which persists even if you use their uninstaller B-)
11:57<berto>I need some packages for an old machine
11:58<berto>koollman: great, thanks
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11:58<imtermittent>of course you have to fix that by removing your libglu RPM/DEB and reinstalling
11:58<imtermittent>but Nvidia won't tell you this
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11:59<damiano>how to install?
11:59<damiano>wit sh ?
11:59<imtermittent>I wouldn't do that
11:59<imtermittent>they corrupt system files
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12:00<imtermittent>their sh is considerably less "intelligent" than a package provided for your distribution
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12:01<imtermittent>they probably replace those files just because a distribution or two is shipping incompatible versions
12:01<imtermittent>so their answer is to obviously break the other 200 distris
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12:01<damiano>imtermittent: ok, you are right but, my kernel 2.6.26-1-686-bigmem is not XEN kernel!
12:02<imtermittent>damiano: This has nothing to do with the kernel
12:02<damiano>i have to change somethings
12:02<imtermittent>they corrupt MESA files
12:03<imtermittent>686-bigmem is probably a PAE kernel btw
12:03<imtermittent>I have never used Debian til today, but that's what it sounds like
12:03<imtermittent>their naming convention for kernels is bizarre
12:03<damiano>imtermittent: i have to use bigmem beacause i have 4 GB RAM.... wthout bigmem i can use only 3 GB
12:03<imtermittent>PAE lets a 32-bit system address 64 gigs of RAM assuming that the hardware and BIOS are compatible
12:04<imtermittent>you should use a 64-bit kernel if you can
12:04<imtermittent>much less painful than PAE
12:04<imtermittent>it supports large amounts of RAM natively
12:04<damiano>i can install 64?
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12:05<imtermittent>get the AMD64 version of Debian if your system supports it
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12:05<imtermittent>AMD64 is the same thing as Intel64, btw
12:06<koollman>and is very different from ia64, too.
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12:06<damiano>i have intel quad core q6600
12:06<imtermittent>well yeah, IA64 is not backwards compatible for IA32 software
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12:06<damiano>i think i could install 64
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12:06<imtermittent>that's why they call it 32-bit, x86, 86-32, i386, i486, i586, i686
12:07<imtermittent>solve confusion by making more
12:07<koollman>damiano: yes, you can
12:07<snogglethorpe>damiano: you want "amd64" or "x86-64"
12:07<imtermittent>damiano: Yes, anything since Core 2 Duo can
12:07<imtermittent>including dual core Celerons
12:07<amphi_>damiano: just make sure your cpu flugs contain 'lm' ;)
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12:07<damiano>amd64" or "x86-64" i don't know the differences :)
12:08<amphi>verdammt tail
12:08<imtermittent>Intel licensed AMD64
12:08<dpkg>hmm... amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64>
12:08<imtermittent>so you call it Intel4 on their processors
12:08<imtermittent>or just generic term of x64 or x86-64
12:08<Lewald>What console browser supports saving completely, with pictures and other files in a folder?
12:09<amphi>intel64? to confuse with itanium? ;)
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12:09<damiano>so i can install amd64
12:09<damiano>amd64 != amd processor?
12:09<petern>ia64 ... haha
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12:09<petern>x86_64 == amd64
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12:10<petern>amd64 == amd's 64 bit architecture, as used by 64 bit intels, except itanium
12:10<berto>does Intel64 exist with that name ?
12:10<berto>it was called EM64T last time I checked
12:11<petern>or "ia64"
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12:11<berto>ia64 is a different thing
12:11<berto>ia64 is itanium
12:11<berto>em64t is the name intel gave to their amd64-compatible cpus to avoid using the name of their competitor
12:12<amphi>methinks the horse is dead
12:12<amphi>damiano: it's handy to give some idea of what a pastebin contains
12:12<petern>confusing :(
12:13<damiano>if i install linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 have i to change all my applications?
12:13<themill>no, intel is now using Intel64 instead of em64t. Just to be perverse once more
12:13<damiano>i have thunderbird, firefox ecc ecc
12:13<berto>themill: sh*t
12:13<damiano>are 32 bit
12:13<themill>berto: the name keeps changing, the technology is the same.
12:13<themill>!why amd64
12:13<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See
12:13<berto>so many names for the same thing
12:14<berto>themill: yes I know, I just didn't know that they were calling it Intel64 too
12:14<damiano>if i cnahge the kernel have i to change the application?
12:15<amphi>damiano: you can have 32-bit userland with 64 bit kernel, as far as I know
12:15<berto>damiano: in theory you can use a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland,but some apps might fail
12:15<themill>berto: yeah, that's the latest name.... although I haven't checked for a month or two... may have changed again...
12:15<berto>I had problems with qemu IIRC
12:15<berto>or kvm
12:15<berto>but most apps should work fine I think
12:16<berto>I think that some apps using ioctls broke when I tried the 64bit kernel
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12:26<snogglethorpe>i was pleasantly surprised how easy it is to _build_ 32-bit apps on an amd64 system (just a single compiler option and everything works)
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12:27<Chernotinick>preciso de ajuda
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12:33<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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12:37<Woet>My server provider replaced some hardware, and now tells me that I need to reconfigure my server with the new mac address
12:38<Woet>does anyone have any idea what they mean by that?
12:38<morgaline>bonjour y a t-il quelq'un qui parle francais
12:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
12:38<amjad>If /tmp has wrong permissions, where will that be logged?
12:38<morgaline>j'ai un probleme de wifi
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12:39<cahoot>pas Fifi?
12:39<amjad>If /tmp has wrong permissions, where will that be logged?
12:39<llutz>nowhere by defaul, afair
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12:40<cahoot>amjad: what perms do you have?
12:40<nas>guys which tech mailing list do you subscribe to?
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12:40<amjad>They were wrong rwsrwxrwx, I fxed it but was wondering if it should log it anywhere
12:41<amjad>maybe the apps that use them log in their own log files
12:41<amjad>maybe the apps that use /tmp log in their own log files
12:42<Woet>My server provider replaced some hardware, and now tells me that I need to reconfigure my server with the new mac address. how should I find and set my new mac address?
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12:43<cahoot>Woet: simply removing 70-persistent-network.rules isn't enough?
12:43<Woet>cahoot: let me have a look
12:43<Woet>cahoot: where would I find such file?
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12:43<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
12:43<cahoot>Woet: /etc/udev/rules.d
12:43<Woet>cahoot: just remove it and reboot?
12:44<cahoot>restart network simply?
12:44<Woet>cahoot: I'm in recovery mode of my server
12:44<Woet>that's in my /etc/udev/rules.d/
12:45<cahoot>z25_persistent-net.rules is the one
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12:45<Woet>okay, remove it?
12:45<cahoot>it will be recreated
12:45<cahoot>hopefully correct
12:45<Woet>thank you, let's see what happens
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12:48<Chernotinick>I need help
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12:57<Sheepa>I'm having trouble reading data from a non-blocking socket, read() returns 0 with errno EINPROGRESS. How do I know how much data was read?
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13:03<simonrvn>!tell Chernotinick -about ask
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13:12<sylar>anyone knows why epiphany get flash version 9, when iceweasel get ver 10?
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13:14<brlancer>evolution (2.22.3-1.1 on Lenny) shows the time as an hour earlier than it is; it looks like it's not updated for DST but my packages are current and I've got the correct TZ and DST selected
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13:14<etcsys>hi all
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13:15<brlancer>can anyone hit me w/ the clue-by-four?
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13:16*goodger fetches brlancer a mighty smash to the back of the head with a cast-iron cluebat
13:17<snogglethorpe>don't make cluebats like that anymore...
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13:17<goodger>snogglethorpe: not commercially, no...
13:18<petern>mmm, cast-iron cluebats
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13:25<Cadmium01>Can I use /dev/null >> file to clear file completely?
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13:27<brlancer>Cadmium01: just '>'
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13:28<Cadmium01>brlancer, are there other methods to "clear" files?
13:28<brlancer>'cat /dev/null > filename' is the standard
13:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 406] by debhelper
13:29<Geek`N`Proud>>> appends
13:29<Geek`N`Proud>> overwrites
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13:30<dpkg>methinks commands is The Linux command reference may be found here: and here:
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13:41<fxiny>is just me or pgrep can't see iceweasel or firefox ?
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13:47<brlancer>fxiny: "-f The pattern is normally only matched against the process name. When -f is set, the full command line is used."
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13:50<fxiny>brlancer: right , pgrep -f iceweasel works , it seems doing it only with iceweasel : pgrep mrxvt shows the pid
13:52<fxiny>maybe because of "/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin" ?
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13:52<fxiny>ps aux | grep mrxvt --> mrxvt
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13:53<fxiny>same foe emacs
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13:53<fxiny>brlancer: i got it now :)
13:54<Cadmium01>where are the xsession settings saved?
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13:55<Cadmium01>or .xinitrc file
13:55<fxiny>xsessions are in /usr/share/xsessions
13:55<fxiny>dunno what you are looking for
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13:56<Cadmium01>fxiny, I am following a ttorial and need to start wmaker with ssh-aent
13:57<dpkg>well, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips:
13:57<Cadmium01>it tells me (the tutorial) there should be ~/.xinitrc
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13:59<Cadmium01>fxiny, in Gnome there is GUI sessions preferences windw, I wonder where it saves the configuration?
13:59<fxiny>kdm ? look into /usr/share/xsessions
13:59<fxiny>i'm not using gnome
14:00<fxiny>sometimes quingy , slim , kdm or startx
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14:02<Cadmium01>fxiny, how doI fing the file where wmakr is spawned?
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14:02<fxiny>Cadmium01: wanna use gdm ?
14:03<Cadmium01>fxiny, I use gdm
14:03<fxiny>any *.desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions ?
14:04<Cadmium01>fxiny, so all users use same set of sessions>?
14:05<fxiny>Cadmium01: there's a gdm pull down menu , have you seen it ?
14:05<Cadmium01>fxiny, not sure what you mean
14:06<fxiny>Cadmium01: how do you log in ?
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14:06<Cadmium01>I use gdm, and there's a login page, not sre what it's called
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14:07<fxiny>Cadmium01: you can load gnome or anything else , just click/pull down gdm menu
14:07<Cadmium01>fxiny, I need to add ssh-agent to X
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14:08<Cadmium01>fxiny, I have different interface, but it does not matter, I am looking for a file that has X startup script
14:08<Cadmium01>so that I cn start X with ssh-agent
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14:11<fxiny>Cadmium01: a ugly hack could be editing a /usr/share/your.desktop like : Exec=/home/Cadmium01/dir/
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14:12<Cadmium01>fxiny, nah, I just read that apparently Debian launches X with ssh agent already
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14:13<fxiny>so do the startx and add anything you want to ~/.xsession
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14:24<sylar>anyone knows why epiphany get flash version 9, when iceweasel get ver 10?
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14:29<sylar>jaku007, are you soing me?
14:30<adama>sylar: they do not use the same plugin directory. You could probably just copy the plugin file from one to the other
14:31<adama>cp /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ /usr/lib/epiphany-gecko/2.22/plugins
14:31<sylar>what directory does epiphany use?
14:31<adama>something like that
14:31<sylar> /usr/lib/epiphany-gecko/2.22/plugins have just one desktop something plugin
14:31<sylar>so where does it get flash9?
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14:31<adama>I noticed that
14:32<adama>good question
14:32<simonrvn>or symlink it...
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14:34<adama>try it I guess. It looks like Epihany is supposed to use mozilla's plugin dir
14:35<sylar>ok, i'll try
14:36<fxiny>sylar: check how many flash versions epiphany is using now
14:36<revertTS>are there any ways to make apt-caches output more readable? I'm having a terrible time looking through package lists...
14:36<revertTS>color, perhaps?
14:36<fxiny>i had my iceweasel using 9 and 10 last week
14:36<sylar>fxiny, pplication/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes
14:36<sylar>application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes
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14:37<sylar>fxiny, from about:plugins
14:37<fxiny>sylar: can't read it , no utf8 here
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14:38<sylar>well there is only one for suffixes swf
14:39<fxiny>i had old mozilla-firefox mozilla and firefox dirs then i upgraded to lenny using dmm flash and my iceweasel was loading 9 and 10 from -->tools-->add ons --> plugins
14:40<fxiny>pretty weird
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14:41<sylar>I made a symlink, and it is still loading 9
14:41<sylar>ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /usr/lib/epiphany-gecko/2.22/plugins/
14:41<sylar>I guess that isn't it
14:42<fxiny>run find /usr/lib -name flash* -print
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14:42<sylar>5 results
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14:43<sylar>beside what we know there is /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree{,-unpackdir,-extrasound}
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14:44<sylar>no flashplayer*
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14:50<doom_buggy>hi. my headset isnt showing up as a device in the config of an audio application. kmix does not display it either.
14:50<doom_buggy>i'm using alsa.
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15:06<Cadmium01>re password managers running on debian by defalt?
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15:08<Cadmium01>I've setup some ssh keys, and it will only ask m efor passphrase once when I connect to a host where I have authorized local host. Is there some sort of automatic ssh-agent running?
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15:10<kop>Cadmium01 : Typically when you use authorized_hosts and setup keys you are not asked for a password. (It might be possible to make it ask, I suppose....)
15:11<simonrvn>there should be yes
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15:11<simonrvn>an agent running, plus env. var. to indicate what socket to check
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15:12<Cadmium01>kop, no, not pasword, but passprase for the key itself
15:12<simonrvn>!keychain is <reply>Keychain is an application to have ssh and/or gpg agents be run for you at a login shell. apt-cache show keychain
15:12<dpkg>simonrvn: okay
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15:12<simonrvn>&keychain is <reply>Keychain is an application to have ssh and/or gpg agents be run for you at a login shell. apt-cache show keychain
15:13<Cadmium01>simonrvn, does Lenny have keychain configured by default?
15:13<Cadmium01>simonrvn, It only asked me for passphrase once, this is why I am wonderring
15:13<svend>The pxlmono.ppd driver produces a squashed printout that takes 1/4 of the page. The laserjet.pdd prints correctly.
15:14<simonrvn>Cadmium01: no it does not
15:14<Cadmium01>simonrvn, I'll describe what I did and what heppened, one sec
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15:16<simonrvn>don't bother
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15:16<Cadmium01>I createds dsa private and public keys in .ssh/ with my passphrase, then copied they public key to my remote host and placed it in autorizd_hostsd2 file. Now when I ssh in gnome-terminal, it pops up a password entering window, if I enter there I am sshed into remote host. If I close the connection and ssh again it does not ask me for pasprase
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15:17<Cadmium01>Does this mean some sort of ssh agent is running
15:17<svend>Cadmium01: yes
15:17<Cadmium01>svend, how do I determine what ssh agent is running ?
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15:18<democrite>Hi everyone.
15:18<svend>`ps aux | grep ssh-agent` or `echo $SSH_AUTH_SOCK`
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15:18<democrite>I'm having a trouble when upgrading vim : "E: Failed to fetch MD5Sum mismatch".
15:19<democrite>Is there something I can do ?
15:19<democrite>Or is it due to the security mirrors ?
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15:20<simonrvn>Cadmium01: gnome is running an agent for you
15:21<simonrvn>gnome-keyring-daemon or something....
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15:22<Cadmium01>simonrvn, I would like to know what exactly it's running and how it works?
15:22<Cadmium01>where can I read about it?
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15:23<simonrvn>yeh, it's called a manual
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15:23<Cadmium01>simonrvn, thanks
15:24<simonrvn>man gnome-keyring<tab><tab> will probably find it for you, or check the gnome help
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15:25<democrite>Ok, I guess I just have to wait.
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15:26<jaku007>democrite: why not update to lenny? :)
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15:27<Cadmium01>what a hack is the default gnome-keyring-manager password?
15:27<Cadmium01>I never set it
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15:29<djc>Cadmium01, it probably just wants your login password
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15:30<Cadmium01>djc, didnt work
15:30<valdyn>Cadmium01: empty?
15:31<Cadmium01>valdyn, didnt work either
15:31<Cadmium01>neither did the root password
15:31<valdyn>Cadmium01: you did probably set it to something else then
15:31<Cadmium01>valdyn, no I never touched it
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15:32<Cadmium01>valdyn, how can I reset it?
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15:32<valdyn>Cadmium01: but you can run the gnome-keyring-manager-properties ( or preferences or whatever ) to change it
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15:33<valdyn>Cadmium01: or just gnome-keyring-manager, duh
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15:35<Cadmium01>valdyn, well, I cant access it because of the passwrd
15:36<djc>try the root pass there
15:36<Cadmium01>djc, does not work
15:36<valdyn>Cadmium01: ^^
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15:39<Aconitic>Hi, I am trying to setup dual monitors in gnome and am unable to figure out how to do this. Ive looked online and didnt find much. I have an ati 9600pro 256mb with one lcd on dvi and one on vga
15:39<Cadmium01>valdyn, in .gnome2/keyrings/ there is a login.keyring - is it safe to delete?
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15:40<Aconitic>oh and i mean having my desktop across both,not mirrored
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15:42<Cadmium01>Aconitic, install grandr
15:42<Cadmium01>apt-cache search grandr
15:43<Cadmium01>Aconitic, if that does not help, then download ATI proprietary drivers from ati's website
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15:52<jthomas>Aconitic grandr is for XOrg drivers; if you're using the ATI drivers then there should be an app specifically for that
15:53<Aconitic>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/acroread-fonts-kor_8.1-0.0_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/Resource/CMap/Adobe-Korea1-H-Host', which is also in package acroread-fonts-jpn
15:53<Aconitic>yeh trying to install grandr gave many erros
15:54<simonrvn>Aconitic: do not go downloading stuff from ati's site, use the debian packages. better yet you can use the free software radeon driver with that
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15:54<simonrvn>Aconitic: packaging bug
15:54<simonrvn>that's not grandr...
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15:55<Cadmium01>this keyring thing is so fricking confusing
15:55<Aconitic>i have to add debian sources to apt?
15:56<Aconitic>sorry im kind of new
15:56<Cadmium01>now many keychain, keyring
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15:57<jthomas>Aconitic no worry, we're all new sometime, somewhere.
15:57<Cadmium01>Aconitic, use apt-get update
15:57<dpkg>methinks fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>., #ati @ See also <radeon>.
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15:58<jthomas>Aconitic type this in your IRC program (this program): /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner
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15:58<Cadmium01>Aconitic, first download proper drivers for your model of card from ATI website, then change downlaoded files permissions to be executable
15:58<Cadmium01>Aconitic, then run the file by doble clicking
15:58<jthomas>it tells you what to do but ask if you have questions
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16:01<stephenallred>Hi, I'm having an issue with a new install of debian 5 (amd64)
16:01<Cadmium01>downlaod it
16:01<Cadmium01>change permissions to execute (from right click, permissions) or terminal "chmod a+x"
16:01<simonrvn>Cadmium01: DO NOT SUGGEST THAT S/HE DO THAT
16:02<Cadmium01>simonrvn, why?
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16:02<stephenallred>Installer runs fine and grub runs fine after install. But when I boot debian from grub it freezes with the following message:
16:03<Cadmium01>Aconitic, when installation finishes run "aticonfig --initial=dual-head --screen-layout=right"
16:03<simonrvn>a number of reasons, like overwriting many files already packaged and installed. it's totally untracked by package management, we also do not support that sort of thing here.
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16:03<Cadmium01>Aconitic, then restart X by ctl + alt + backspace
16:03<simonrvn>if you want to go help him trash his debian do it elsewhere
16:03<stephenallred>Booting 'Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64'
16:03<stephenallred>root (hd0,0)
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16:04<stephenallred>Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
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16:04<simonrvn>in many cases, that stuff *is already packaged*
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16:04<Cadmium01>simonrvn, where does it say in channel rules that I cant help with proprietary drivers?
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16:04<simonrvn>it's not a debian package. simple.
16:05<stephenallred>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet
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16:05<Cadmium01>simonrvn, ok, I agree
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16:06<stephenallred>[Linux-bzImage, setup=0x3000, size=0x1a95f0]
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16:06<stephenallred>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64
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16:06<Cadmium01>stephenallred, what are you doing?
16:07<simonrvn>i'm not saying "stop helping him" just that we don't support the 3rd party stuff here. we already have a lot on our collective plate in here
16:07<stephenallred>[Linux-initrd @ 0x890000, 0x65fc9c bytes]
16:07<stephenallred>And then freezes
16:07<simonrvn>lemme guess, pasting his dmesg ...
16:07<Cadmium01>dpkg tell stephenallred about pastebin
16:07<Cadmium01>!dpkg tell stephenallred about pastebin
16:07<Cadmium01>!dpkg tell stephenallred about paste
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16:09<schmichael>anybody know the status of libasound2-plugins 1.0.19 in sid?
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16:09<schmichael>this bug makes it sound like it should be coming:
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16:10<schmichael>but shouldn't it be in the new queue?
16:10<schmichael>i'm trying to switchover to pulseaudio, and its very difficult without that package :(
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16:12<stephenallred>Ok, right. I've just installed Debian 5. Install all went fine, but booting from grub gives the following and then the system just sits there with a flashing curser
16:13<schmichael>yikes :(
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16:14<stephenallred>This is the 3rd try at the install, all of them had the same result.
16:14<stephenallred>Any ideas? Cheers.
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16:15<schmichael>i've none. tried 32bit?
16:16<schmichael>thats a completely random guess
16:16<schmichael>i've never seen it not give *any* indication of what went wrong
16:16<stephenallred>I've not, but I wouldn't be able to address all my RAM in 32bit :S
16:18<stephenallred>The only thing I can think of is it doesn't like my other RAID array.
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16:20<stephenallred>Is it known to not like ICH7R RAID arrays being present?
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16:24<stephenallred>It it's helpful the Ubuntu alternate install CD gives the error
16:24<stephenallred>If it's even.
16:24<schmichael>i think its safe to say somethings going wrong with the raid detection
16:25<stephenallred>Do you know if it's possible to get it to ignore the RAID array? I use that for Windows (gaming).
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16:27<schmichael>oh you didn't install to the RAID?
16:28<stephenallred>No, another disk.
16:28<schmichael>then i can't imagine why the raid would be getting in the way :-/
16:28<schmichael>it should ignore it if you didn't install anything to it
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16:31<stephenallred>That's what I thought.
16:33<intermittent>is there a site or something where you can get updated programs that are like, unofficial?
16:33<intermittent>the new Pidgin has some features I kind of need
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16:36<schmichael>intermittent: and
16:37<schmichael>or check the version of debian higher than yours (if you use stable, try testing, if you use testing try unstable, if you use unstable try experimental)
16:37<schmichael>looks like pidgin is in volatile
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16:39<stephenallred> is my raid setup. I installed Debian to the Samsung.
16:40<intermittent>schmichael: thanks :)
16:42<stephenallred>And is Debian just sitting there.
16:42<amjad>does anyone knows about a program like snoopy?
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16:43<Osaris>hi if anyone could help me with /etc/postfix/ No such file or directory
16:44<amjad>Osaris, it means you did not put a command before it
16:44<amjad>Osaris, try ls -l /etc/postfix/
16:45<amjad>Osaris, or it may mean you don't have it in /etc/postfix/
16:45<Osaris>mm my ssh connection died. ill try it but that is in the /var/log/syslog
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16:46<amjad>Osaris, do ls -l /etc/postfix/ to see if it is really present
16:46<Osaris>cd /etc/postfix/
16:46<Osaris>-bash: cd: /etc/postfix/: No such file or directory
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16:46<Osaris>but i see instances of postfix that is on the ips
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16:47<tcsetattr>stephenallred, is the console responsive to keyboard? control-ScrollLock or SysRq+T to see the task list
16:47<amjad>Osaris, you dont even have /etc/postfix
16:47<Osaris>seems so yes
16:47<amjad>Osaris, do lsof -c postfix | less to see what files postfix is using
16:48<amjad>Maybe, there deleted and postfix has the config in ram only
16:48<stephenallred>tcsetattr: nope, keyboard input seems to be being ignored.
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16:48<amjad>So if u try to stop postfix, it will complain if you start it again
16:49<stephenallred>Numlock etc are not changing their lights when pressed either.
16:49<Osaris>with lsof -c postfix | less its got nothing
16:49<Osaris>but what i dont understand
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16:50<Osaris> postfix-209.144.27.bla
16:50<Osaris>there is instances of postfix for every ip
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16:51<Osaris>but /etc/postfix/ is missing in action
16:52<Osaris>sorry i am a noob with postfix configurations
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16:52<Osaris> Mar 13 18:50:53 ss35 postfix/sendmail[4383]: fatal: open /etc/postfix/ No such file or directory
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16:53<Osaris>what i ussually do is run a script one of the developers wrote. Think some of the code might have changed
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16:54<stephenallred>Oww, single user mode startup prints "Probing EDD (edd=off to disable)..." more than normal boot and then stops.
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16:55<tcsetattr>funny thing about suggesting "lsof -c postfix | less" is... when the shell prints "lsof not found" because lsof isn't installed, the user doesn't get a chance to read it before less clears the screen to display its empty input.
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17:00<mib_btljsp>hi -- is there a procedure for reporting that a maintainer doesn't seem to be paying attention to a package?
17:00<dkr>tcsetattr: lsof -c postfix |& less :)
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17:03<Osaris>dpkg -l | grep postfix
17:03<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep postfix
17:03<Osaris>ri postfix 2.5.1-2ubuntu1.2 High-performance mail transport agent
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17:08<nenene>What's the command to restart a server running Debian over SSH?
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17:09<nenene>Osaris: That will reboot it from end to start?
17:09<nenene>It's via SSH so I want to make sure it goes okay
17:10<Osaris>are u root?
17:10<Osaris>if root just type reboot
17:10<thtux>also you can use "init 0"
17:10<thtux>init 6
17:10<Osaris>then it will take a min or 2 before u can ssh to it
17:11<Osaris>as the system boots
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17:14<Osaris>so postfix looks installed on the server but then i dont understand why it did not create that conf files and folders
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17:18<Osaris>Removing postfix ...
17:18<Osaris>invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/postfix not found.
17:18<Osaris>dpkg: error processing postfix (--remove):
17:18<Osaris> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 100
17:18<Osaris>Errors were encountered while processing:
17:18<dpkg>osaris: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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17:21<Osaris>forgot about flood bots
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17:23<Osaris>sorry i dont understand that command
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17:28<Osaris>dpkg message output
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17:31<amjad>Osaris, if you do netstat -tap | grep postfix. do u see something?
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17:34<amjad>it means postfix is not running
17:34<amjad>do u see postfix in ps aux | grep postfix
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17:35<amjad>or it maybe running on non-standard port
17:35<Osaris>postfix 30698 0.0 0.1 5428 1776 ? S 22:17 0:00 pickup
17:35<Osaris>i see a few of the sub processes
17:36<Art4k>were i can find desktop effects ?
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17:36<amjad>Osaris, what about ps aux | grep master
17:36<Osaris>i would have removed it but i think the script the main admin wrote does the configs for postfix ect
17:37<Osaris>root 30696 0.0 0.1 5420 1820 ? Ss 22:17 0:00 /usr/lib/postfix/master
17:38<Osaris>i see a few
17:38<Osaris>prob 1 for each ip
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17:38<amjad>what do u see with lsof -c master
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17:40<Osaris>for what is lsof , c and master?
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17:40<amjad>for sure, postfix is running, now which config file it is using, I am out of ideas
17:41<amjad>list open files
17:41<amjad>by master
17:41<amjad>master is the master daemon for postfix
17:41<Osaris>master 30972 root 15u FIFO 8,1 12591296 /var/spool/postfix-
17:41<Osaris>there is a few postfix stuff
17:42<Elixyr>chiudo bye all
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17:44<amjad>Osaris, do locate
17:45<amjad>Osaris, to see if there is any on the system
17:46<Osaris>there is
17:46<Osaris>but for the ips
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17:47<Osaris>if i paste it all the bot will kick me
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17:51<amjad>looks like this is being used by /etc/postfix-
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17:52<Osaris>yes but if i go look on another server of us
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17:53<Osaris>then i see the normal /etc/postfix/ and also /etc/postfix-<ip>/
17:53<Osaris>and on this server with the prob not
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17:57<Osaris>if i do a reinstall would it retain its settings?
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17:58<lvm>bonsoir a tous j'ai une question je n'arrive pas a installer wippien sous xubuntu quelqu un conneterai les ligne de commance a faire ??
17:59<action09>lvm slu ici c'est orienté debian, demande putot sur le channel #ubuntu-fr par exemple sur Freenode
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18:04<Osaris>it seems that it did not install a few things for postfix
18:04<Osaris>when i try a remove
18:05<Osaris>Removing postfix ...
18:05<Osaris>invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/postfix not found.
18:05<Osaris>dpkg: error processing postfix (--remove):
18:05<dpkg>osaris: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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18:05<sylarr>how to play midi file?
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18:06<captain>anyone who understands udev at all here?
18:06<Osaris>invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/postfix not found.
18:06<Osaris>dpkg: error processing postfix (--remove):
18:06<dpkg>osaris: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
18:07<Osaris>damn bot
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18:07<dpkg>somebody said midi was Musical Instrument Digital Interface, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or
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18:10<anarkiabmx>is there some one who speak Spanish
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18:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:14<anarkiabmx>hola christian
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18:17<tiaz>I'm using apache2. I have some rewrite rules in one virtual host to force SSL, but they are applying to every virtual host. how can I prevent this?
18:18<dondelelcaro>tiaz: have them inside of the <VirtualHost> block
18:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 383] by debhelper
18:19<tiaz>I do.
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18:21<jamieF>W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
18:21<jamieF>Anyone know how this can be solved?
18:21<gsimmons>!tell jamieF -about etch->lenny key
18:22<jamieF>gsimmons: in other words, ignore it for now?
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18:24<gsimmons>jamieF: You can proceed with the upgrade, as dpkg described.
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18:24<jamieF>gsimmons: thanks
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18:25<Guest947>hey kuthoeren?
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18:31<maxxi>can anybody recommend me a debian distribution based for PC with minimal resources
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18:33<Osaris>-bash: /etc/init.d/postfix: No such file or directory
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18:39<adb>maxxi: i installed lenny on cpu@120 MHz + 192 MB ram, less 600 MB hard disk used
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18:43<maxxi>adb: Does lenny work on Pentium III 600 Mhz, 128 MB RAM and 20 GB hard ?
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18:44<maxxi>adb: and which graphical environment?
18:44<NSAJEFF>Can you symlink a /home/$user directory to an external server?
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18:45<adb>maxxi: its a server , so no graph, but on yours gnome may be ok
18:47<adb>or less ressources as xfce4 and /or many others
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18:48<Pitxyoki>I access the internet through a wireless router to which this computer is connected and I'm trying to connect a laptop through it's ethernet card to this computer's.
18:48<Pitxyoki>How can I do this?
18:48<Pitxyoki>I've seen some how-tos, but I seem to be missing something.
18:49<Pitxyoki>The network is something like: internet <-> router <-> (wlan0) this PC (eth1) <-> (eth0) laptop
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18:49<Pitxyoki>The problem is that from the laptop I have only been able to ping the PC, and nothing else.
18:51<dkr>Pitxyoki: you have to enable packet forwarding and nat on the pc
18:51<Pitxyoki>Do you know how can I do that?
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18:52<Pitxyoki>By the way, both the PC and the laptop are running Debian.
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18:53<adama>Pitxyoki: to enable packet forwarding do: echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
18:53<adama>Pitxyoki: for simplest NAT, do: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
18:54<adama>where eth0 is your WAN iface
18:54<Pitxyoki>I tried following this howto, which gives both of those suggestions:
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19:00<Pitxyoki>It doesn't work.
19:01<adama>Pitxyoki: from the laptop, can you ping the router's IP?
19:01<Pitxyoki>When I ping from the laptop, if I run wireshark on the PC, I only see ARP requests getting here.
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19:01<adama>probably just a DNS issue
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19:02<adama>from the laptop, can you ping google's IP? E.g.
19:02<Pitxyoki>I see the ARP requests when trying to ping
19:02<Pitxyoki>I get results with that.
19:03<adama>you need to put whatever the nameserver you have on the desktop, onto the laptop
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19:03<Pitxyoki>I could swear that that didn't work a while ago.
19:03<adama>for that you edit the file /etc/resolv.conf
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19:04<Pitxyoki>It works.
19:04<adama>just copy that file from the desktop to the laptop. If you want to do it properly, configure a DHCP server on the desktop.
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19:05<Pitxyoki>The resolv.conf file had the address of my university's dhcp server.
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19:05<Pitxyoki>(where I connected it a while ago)
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19:05<adama>you mean DNS. probably unrachable now
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19:05<Pitxyoki>yes, sorry
19:06<jamesF>i'm currently using MySQL and apache2, to run a Wordpress blog, both are two resource hogs and I need equivalents which are much much lighter
19:06<adama>well, enjoy :)
19:06<Pitxyoki>It was a 10.whatever IP.
19:06<jamesF>all i use both for is for wordpress
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19:06<Maulkin>try lighttpd
19:06<Pitxyoki>I tried what they say in that ubuntu tutorial.
19:07<Pitxyoki>Why didn't that work?
19:07<Maulkin>Because you're (presumeably) running Debian?
19:07<Pitxyoki>They say that it should be enough to add "prepend domain-name-servers,;" to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
19:07<jamesF>Maulkin: indeed. lighttpd instead of apache2, and what instead of MySQL?
19:07<dondelelcaro>jamesF: sqlite or similar
19:07<dkr>jamesF: sqlite
19:07<Pitxyoki>Maulkin, yeah, but the configs are very similar most of the times.
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19:07<Maulkin>Err, you don't really have a choice for wordpress (I think)
19:07<dondelelcaro>(I have no clue if wordpress will actually work with sqlite, though)
19:08<jamesF>sqlite and lighttpd are both capable of working with with Wordpress?
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19:08<Pitxyoki>man dhclient.conf
19:08<adama>Pitxyoki: well those are probably just examples. You probably want to use your ISP's DNS server(s) or your main router next to your modem
19:08<dkr>jamesF: you could also simply configure mysql and apache properly to use a lot less resources.
19:09<Maulkin>What sort of resources do you mean here? I don't see them as hugely heavy...
19:09<adama>jamesF: the question is whether wordpress supports sqlite
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19:10<Pitxyoki>adama, I mean: the resolv.conf file wasn't changed when I set that line at dhclient.conf.
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19:10<adama>Pitxyoki: ok those are not just examples. BUT what I said stands, you want to use closer ones. The file is not changed until you run dhclient again
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19:10<jamesF>adama: sqlite isn't supported aparently.
19:10<jamesF>hmm, i need to configure MySQL then
19:11<Pitxyoki>Maybe running dhclient was what was missing for me to ping addresses.
19:11<jamesF>can it be made as small as sqlite, or will it still be a resource hog?
19:11<adama>/etc/my.cnf - reduce thread count, memory allowed, stuff like that
19:11<jamesF>adama: okay, anything else?
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19:11<adama>/etc/mysql/my.cnf sorry
19:12<adama>jamesF: probably. google for some tips :)
19:12<adama>Pitxyoki: yes that probably would work
19:12<adama>try it now, and it will put those DNS in resolv.conf (presumably)
19:14<Pitxyoki>It deconfigured the interface, started sending DHCPDISCOVERs on eth0 to 255.255.255... and didn't seem to touch resolv.conf
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19:16<Pitxyoki>I'm setting static IPs on both computers
19:16<Pitxyoki>So I don't expect them to be given by dhcp...
19:17<adama>do you have dhcp server configured on the desktop?
19:17<adama>and running
19:17<adama>well yeah you have to do that
19:18<adama>if it's just a one-time thing it's easier to just set the IPs statically
19:18<Pitxyoki>I'm just trying this thing.
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19:19<Pitxyoki>I was just thinking of copying some files from a computer to the other one, but I decided to try this out just to see if I could.
19:20<adama>Pitxyoki: you don't even need the DNS stuff to do that
19:20<Pitxyoki>And speaking of that..
19:20<Pitxyoki>If I enable samba shares on the laptop, wouldn't they be visible to the Internet?
19:21<adama>you'd have to forward ports on the router and the desktop
19:21<Pitxyoki>Yeah, I know. But I wanted to see if I could have web access like this. Maybe some day I'll replace my router with some old computer and then I won't be starting from zero.
19:21<Pitxyoki>And what if this desktop was directly connected to the modem?
19:22<Pitxyoki>I remember when I used windows some years ago, that I had my network shares open to the internet from the computer that was behind the gateway PC.
19:22<adama>you'd still have to forward the port
19:23<adama>or set that computer as a DMZ
19:23<Pitxyoki>Ah, yes!
19:24<Pitxyoki>I don't remember the network setup...
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19:24<Pitxyoki>But I know I learnt I shouldn't use DMZ anymore.
19:24<jamesF>ugh, I was upgrading to debian 5.0 on a remote server via SSH and my computer restarted.
19:24<jamesF>it's still running by the looks of things: 13602 pts/1 Ss+ 0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 20 --configure libgpm2 links libpcre3 libglib2.0-0 bzip2 perl perl-modules libtimedate-perl cpio patch make d
19:25<jamesF>i was on: aptitude upgrade
19:25<jamesF>how can i get it back?
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19:26<adama>Pitxyoki: it's not usually a good idea to put Windows shares right out on the Internet
19:27<Pitxyoki>Now I know that.
19:28<adama>jamesF: dpkg-reconfigure -a
19:29<orro>hi, my sound doesn't work, it works only when i go to system->preferences->sound and click test there. I had to change the device (the autodetect doesn't work) so i guess that debian does not know what device it should use
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19:30<zem>the card is "Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1888 at irq 17" if it matters
19:31<ml>zem are you using alsa?
19:32<jamesF>now it's asking me what interface to use mentioning debconf
19:32<jamesF>what ever it used before?
19:32<jamesF>i have no idea..
19:32<jamesF>i only use SSH to it anyhow
19:32<abrotman>zem: so what sounds don't work?
19:32<ml>zem: did you try alsamixer to set the levels
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19:32<zem>ml: i did
19:33<zem>abrotman: any sounds except sound preferences test
19:33<ml>yes good question abortman
19:33<Pitxyoki>Thanks adama and dkr!
19:33<abrotman>zem: that's not helpful .. which applications? which WM/DE?
19:33<jamesF>adama: any idea?
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19:34<adama>jamesF: no...
19:34<zem>vlc doesn't work, totem does :/
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19:35<zem>i mean sounds in vlc do not work while they do in totem
19:35<captain>anyone care to help me figure out why sometimes i boot up and get a /dev/adsp3 (and sound doesn't work well) and sometimes i boot up and get a /dev/adsp (and sound works well)? the device node major/minor num's are different too
19:35<ml>zem: did you try the prefs in vlc?
19:36<captain>14, 44 bad... 14, 12 good
19:36<abrotman>zem: modprobe snd_pcm_oss
19:36<captain>seems to be random at bootup :(
19:36<zem>ml: can't find device choiche in vlc
19:37<ml>zen I don't use vlc or i'd guide you
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19:39<zem>vlc configured
19:39<ml>zem: you can try... if you get sound aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
19:40<zem>but how to tell debian generaly what device to use
19:40<Pitxyoki>By the way, adama, do you know how does port triggering work?
19:40<zem>ml: no sound with "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav"
19:41<zem>ml: because, when i changed device from default in vlc it works
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19:41<abrotman>zem: diud you try to modprobe snd_pcm_oss
19:41<Pitxyoki>If I understand it well, the router will only open the incoming port after a connection has been established through the outgoing port, right?
19:41<zem>abrotman: i did
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19:41<zem>abrotman: nothing chaged, nothing happened
19:41<abrotman>zem: is esd/esound running ?(using gnome?)
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19:42<zem>abrotman: how do i check that please?
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19:42<zem>abrotman: yes, it's gnome
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19:43<abrotman>zem: ps aux | grep esound .. or | grep esd . i can't remember what the process is called
19:43<zem>as long as i can chose the device to which i want a program to play music i can make it work, but as long as it choses default device it doesn't
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19:43<ml>maybe esd maybe messing things up, I don't use it so I have no idea
19:43*captain is wondering if zem's issue is the same as his...
19:44<jamesF>adama: I did the command you told me, but now it's finished
19:44<jamesF>but something is still running in ps x
19:44<zem>nope, no esd or esound
19:44<jamesF>13602 pts/1 Ss+ 0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 20 --configure libgpm2 links libpcre3 libglib2.0-0 bzip2 perl perl-modules libtimedate-perl cpio patch make dpkg-dev libperl5.10 ir
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19:45<ml>zem: are you sure alsamixer setting are correct
19:46<jamesF>adama: any idea?
19:46<zem>ml: yup, unless you can somehow change default sound device there
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19:48<ml>zem: so sound now works in vlc?
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19:48<ml>and aplay = no sound?
19:49<captain>zem: just curious - did aplay give you an error?
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19:49<zem>captain: nope
19:49<zem>ml: yup
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19:50<ml>hmm i'm at a loss, just doesn't make sense
19:50<zem>i think i found a solution, need to restart x, be back in no time
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19:52<captain>zem: sorry... i missed a lot, and i might not be much help cause i'm having sound problems too... but maybe it's worth a shot...
19:52<captain>oh he left
19:53<ml>he gets sound with totem and vlc <-- afterit was configured but no sound with aplay
19:54<captain> ya i have the same problem
19:54<doom_buggy>i have a sound card and a usb headset. when i boot only the headset is shown in kmix/alsamixer/whatever. i can however run alsaconf and select the soundcard, but once i do the usb headset disappears. i'd obviously like them both to be available to me at the same time and not have to run alsaconf again to switch.
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19:54<doom_buggy>this use to work flawlessly on etch so i know it's possible with my hardware
19:54<captain>ml: we may be having a similar issue
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19:55<captain>i'm now thinking it has something to do with this...
19:55<captain>wait if i paste... will i be thought of as flooding?
19:55<captain>dpkg: error
19:55<dpkg>The error is on line 89373
19:55<ml>captain: yes if it's more than a few lines
19:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:55<captain>it's 9
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19:56<captain>that's what i was looking for :) thanks
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19:56<captain>anyway i have two "sound cards" ... one says "modem"
19:56<jamesF>should I stop all processes before upgrading?
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19:57<zem>it's working now
19:57<captain>i'm wondering if the order that their modules get loaded has something to do with it...
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19:58<ml>zem: sound in iceweasel with aplay?
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19:58<zem>had to enable "multimedia system selector" in menu and set the default sound device there
19:58<zem>ml: works in iceweasel
19:58<captain>zem: you enabled that where? mind if i try? :P
19:58<ml>oh I don't gnome sound would never know that
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19:59<ml>captain: give that a trry
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19:59<captain>you enabled "multimedia system selector" where?
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19:59<zem>captain: system->preferences->main menu
19:59<ml>zem: and with the aplay command/
19:59<Wagner>HELP-ME PLEASE
19:59<zem>it's in system->preferences
20:00<Wagner>Install GMA X3100
20:00<zem>ml: can you please repeat the path to wav file?
20:00<Wagner>Video Controller Intel GMA X3100
20:00<ml>zem: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
20:00<jamesF>Maulkin: :(
20:00<zem>captain: and you have to restart
20:00<jamesF>i don't know what's causing that
20:00<abrotman>Wagner: which version of debian are you using?
20:00<zem>ml: it works
20:01<Wagner>BRlix 1.0
20:01<Wagner>Witch debian
20:01<captain>zem: hmm... i don't see it in there
20:01<abrotman>Wagner: it is not debian, ask in ##linux on
20:01<ml>zem: congrats ;)
20:01<captain>zem: anyway i'm happy for you... a bit jealous too :P
20:01<zem>ml: tnx
20:01<jamesF>can someone take a look at
20:01<Wagner>its debian
20:01<abrotman>no it'snot
20:01<ml>lol captain
20:02<zem>captain: you found main menu?
20:02<abrotman>Wagner: we do not support debian based distros here, please go to ##linux on freenode for support
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20:02<captain>but that just selects what appears in the menu...
20:02<zem>captain: down there, last item is preferneces under system
20:02<dmoerner>jamesF, install util-linux
20:02<Wagner>Ok, thanks
20:02<zem>yes, there you put multimedia system selector in menu
20:03<captain>ya that's the part i don't see
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20:03<zem>and then use main menu to run it ^^
20:03<ml>zem: what did you restart x or reboot
20:03<zem>ml: reboot
20:03<captain>can you hit properties on it and see what it points to?
20:04<ml>zem: Ttrying to make a mental note :)
20:04<zem>captain: gstreamer-properties
20:05<ml>captain: gl i'm off later
20:05<captain>thanks ml
20:06<captain>have a good one
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20:08<captain>lol thanks... i'm guessing i have to install some package to see it
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20:10<zem>what's the problem you have anyway captain?
20:10<captain>similar to yours
20:10<captain>when i select the device... i can hear sound
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20:11<captain>but some things won't let me do so (esp. flash player)
20:12<zem>correct device in gstreamer-proporties?
20:12<captain>well... i don't have that yet
20:12<captain>so i'm gonna look for which package owns it
20:12<captain>and install it
20:12<captain>and see if your fix works for me :D
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20:18<captain>zem: hmm... gnome-media is the package... but no shortcut... i ran it from the console and it seems like it's making progress...
20:18<captain>let's see if flash player picks it up :)
20:18<zem>you have to restart at least X if not the linux
20:18<zem>at least i had to
20:19<captain>k i'll try that...
20:20<captain>zem: ok i'll have to try it when i can afford to reboot :/
20:20<captain>anyway thanks a lot zem... if it works i owe you a beer :D
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20:21<zem>captain: i hope it does, share and enjoy ^^
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20:24<captain>thanks :)
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20:38<jaf>Hello, how can I make MySQL less of a resource hog? I'm in my.conf
20:39<captain>hmmm... zem if you're still there...
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20:39<captain>i think i found the root cause of our issues
20:39<abrotman>jaf: you probably should ask #mysql on freenode or see for documentation
20:39<captain>and you may end up where i am depending on reboot too
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20:43<zem>captain: well... i solved my problem, but it proves i was right all the time, just had to chage default device
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20:45<captain>ya... i would try rebooting a few times too though... cause i thought i fixed mine similarly before, but mine works on some bootups and doesn't work on others
20:45<captain>hehe they call it "sound card roulette" :P
20:45<captain>thanks for the help again zem!
20:46<zem>^^ np
20:48<captain>k gonna reboot and give it a shot
20:48<captain>c u later :)
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21:26<steffan>is it possible to check the crontab for another user?
21:26<meshuggah>in lenny, which program can i use to convert .flv and .mp4 video file in .avi?
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21:27<abrotman>steffan: as a user or root?
21:27<steffan>abrotman: root.
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21:28<steffan>abrotman: crontab -u <user> | crontab -e
21:28<abrotman>steffan: sure .. does it not work ?
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21:29<steffan>ah, i was trying to define the user first, then -e, but it seems you can crontab -u <user> -e
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21:30<steffan>thanks anyhow, abrotman
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21:36<meshuggah>in lenny, which program can i use to convert .flv and .mp4 video file in .avi?\
21:36<avu>meshuggah, ffmpeg
21:36<meshuggah>avu, thank
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21:37<meshuggah>avu, and how do i use it ? :)
21:38<abrotman>meshuggah: it has documentation .. read it
21:38<avu>meshuggah, read the manpage, it's really quite easy
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21:39<meshuggah>did you read it?
21:39<meshuggah>it is really confusing
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21:39<avu>not really. stop bitching and read. :)
21:39<avu>you gave it a whole 30 seconds
21:39<abrotman>i think that was 35 or so
21:40<meshuggah>803 lines
21:40<avu>you don't have to read them all
21:40<dpkg>[man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @
21:40<avu>perhaps this is the time to start learning how to deal with manpages :)
21:40<meshuggah>i do not do it often
21:40<erKURITA>Then get used to
21:40<avu>you almost never have to read the whole thing, especially not if all you need is such a simple use case
21:40<meshuggah>i need examples
21:41<meshuggah>examples is way more better than this man page
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21:41<avu>many manpages /have/ examples
21:41<avu>so does the ffmpeg manpage btw :)
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21:41<abrotman>meshuggah: stop being lazy
21:41<meshuggah>i am searching
21:41<meshuggah>i am only explaining what i am thinking
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21:41<meshuggah>damn msdos 3.0 has exemples
21:41<avu>you're complaining instead of doing
21:42<meshuggah>lol it is easy
21:42<meshuggah>803 lines for that
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21:42<avu>surprise surprise, the application can do much more than you need right now
21:43<meshuggah>i know
21:43<meshuggah>i love to complain
21:43<avu>I guess that's why the manpage has such a huge EXAMPLES section
21:43<avu>well, complaining even brought you somewhere in this case! to my ignorance list, that is! yay!
21:44<meshuggah>since when do you use debian?
21:44<meshuggah>or linux?
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21:45<meshuggah>i am using linux since 1 month
21:45<meshuggah>give some time
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22:03<megbox>falar sobre web cam
22:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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23:14<rbansal>Hi All
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23:15<rbansal>I have a small query, I am trying to download the pre-build binaries of MIPS32 (Big-endian) cross toolchain using emdebian
23:15<rbansal>But I am not getting success in that
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23:16<rbansal>So can anyone help me how can I do that.
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23:16<rbansal>Hi yuyu
23:17<yuyu>what's up?
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23:34<PLAJ10>I just installed debian, I can't get the ethernet working
23:37<rickbot>so how are you here?
23:39<PLAJ10>i have 2 computers
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23:40<PLAJ10>why isn't my network working
23:40<PLAJ10>this should be plug and play
23:41<PLAJ10>can someone help me
23:44<PLAJ10>hmm something is not right
23:44<PLAJ10>its reporting my 2.7 Ghz AMD opteron as a 800 mhz?
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23:51<Silicium01>How do I search manpage for a string?
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23:55<chealer>PLAJ10: just ask your question
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23:55<PLAJ10>i need help getting my ethernet working
23:55<chealer>Silicium01: depends on the tool you visualize with
23:56<Silicium01>chealer, I am using man sshd to read about sshd, but need to search for a word in it
23:56<chealer>Silicium01: then it depends on your pager
23:56<Silicium01>if you know how to enable GatewayPorts in sshd you could tell me that too :)
23:56<Silicium01>chealer, what is my pager?
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23:57<Silicium01>chealer, I'm using more
23:59<meoblast001>where can i download the source of the debian graphical installer?
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