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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-14

---Logopened Sat Mar 14 00:00:53 2009
00:01<Silicium01>meoblast001, in downloads section
00:01<Silicium01>I recommend the netinstall cd
00:01<meoblast001>Silicium01: that has the source?
00:01<Silicium01>meoblast001, oh, the source, oh sorry, no idea
00:01<chealer>Silicium01: it looks like "/string" approximates that
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00:03<pythonic>hi, is the history of the keyring likely to be available anywhere? debian archives seem not to have old versions of the debian-keyring package
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00:04<dustpylex2>what's the debian-eeepc channel? Isn't it #debian-eeepc?
00:05<chealer>meoblast001: the graphical installer is the same (debian-installer)
00:05<meoblast001>found it
00:05<chealer>!eee pc
00:05<chealer>dpkg: eee pc is <reply>see eeepc
00:05<dpkg>chealer: okay
00:05<chealer>!eee pc
00:05<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860>. #debian-eeepc on
00:06<chealer>dustpylex2: yes
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00:06<chealer>pythonic: what do you want, the changelog?
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00:07<Silicium01>Any idea on how to enable gatewayports on sshd ? (openssh)
00:08<pythonic>chealer: i'd like the signatures, especially from ~2001
00:08<pythonic>(i'm a research student, interested in social networks)
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00:16<chealer>pythonic: did you look at the keys from the debian-keyring *source* package?
00:16<Silicium01>I enabled GatewayPorts in sshd, but it still wont let me connect to third machine, can anyone help?
00:17*arriesp bye
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00:20<pythonic>chealer: oh! back then it was non-us not main!
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00:20<pythonic>thanks :-)
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00:22<pythonic>fwiw, i'll be looking for correlations between the keyring, and mailing list activity, and with any luck i'll predict this year's election :-p
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00:23<codeAries>heelllooo room
00:23<jrabbit>pythonic: lol
00:24<codeAries>i need your help frenz
00:24<codeAries>i need to know MD5 checksum for deb 5
00:24<codeAries>where can i find it?
00:24<pythonic>for the iso image?
00:25<codeAries>yes pythonic
00:25<pythonic> for amd64, or substitute your architecture where it seems appropriate
00:26<codeAries>ty pythonic
00:28<codeAries>pythonic : i need DVD image md5
00:28<codeAries>not CD
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00:29<codeAries>Ty again pythonic
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00:34<rain>hey can you change the usplash screen the same way in debian systems as you can in ubuntu?
00:34<pythonic>probably. why don't you try ti?
00:34<rain>i did but it seems to spaz out when i do...
00:35<rain>but then again im running dreamlinux
00:35<rain>it also has trouble with the lock screen
00:35<rain>is it just that the system is different?
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00:45<rain>anyway.. i guess ill just get debian and compare.. ?
00:45<rain>alrighty then.
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00:52<PLAJ10>i'm trying to install aim on debian, the dpkg doesn't seem to like the install file though
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00:55<rickbot>why not use kopete or pidgin?
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02:19<blarson>I just updated a system running sid, and the new kernel won't configure because modules.pcimap is missing. Should I copy it from the old kernel's directory, or from another system with a different processor?
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02:43<mib_kpuz6t>is there a procedure for reporting a package maintainer who doesn't seem to be paying attention to bug reports?
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02:45<blarson>mib_kpuz6t: I think there is a mia email address.
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02:48<jelloir>I just installed amarok using aptitude and it put my Laptop in sleep mode? anyone seen this before?
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02:51<jelloir>I guess this probably has something to do with it "Restarting Hardware abstraction layer: hald"
02:51<jelloir>but is that normal?
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02:55<chealer>jelloir: no
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02:57<jelloir>any idea how I would go about resolving it. I guess unless hald is not restarted its ok but if it is.....
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03:01<chealer>jelloir: start by confirming it's due to a hal restart.
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03:06<jelloir>chealer: yep definately restarting hal causes the problem. just restarted it then and put puter to sleep
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03:07<jelloir>using Lenny just to clarify
03:07<Bsims{fs}>got a question the debian package for skype is etch... will the ubuntu one work with Lenny?
03:07<Bsims{fs}>I gladly pay for skype so would like an answer
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03:08<Bsims{fs}>Hrm same file under both
03:08<mans9k>hi all, my laptop does not resume from suspend.
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03:08<chealer>jelloir: did you setup stuff for suspend?
03:09<mans9k>chealer: , how
03:09<Bsims{fs}>Any got ya's I should be aware of after coming back to Mother Debian after 4-5 years in Ubuntu land
03:10<Bsims{fs}>Last I used Debian Sarge was testing
03:10<chealer>mans9k: I was writing to jelloir
03:11<jelloir>chealer: I'm using kpowersave and the only thing I changed was the cpu speed when running on AC power?
03:11<Bsims{fs}>other than that kde 4.2 is experimental
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03:13<chealer>jelloir: is uswsusp installed?
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03:16<jelloir>chealer: no, will install now - I also forgot to mention that i'm running 2.6.28-1-686 from "deb trunk main" as it fixed some problems with my laptop's backlight dimming (Lenovo R61)
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03:16<jelloir>perhaps that causes probs??
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03:17<chealer>jelloir: no, I would have suggested to uninstall it
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03:18<jelloir>chealer: hehe I was about to type "or maybe that package causes problems" so no haven't got it installed and not going to install..
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03:20<chealer>jelloir: I doubt a kernel bug would cause that. I'd report a bug, but you can always mention you're using an unofficial kernel if it's not convenient to try with an official one.
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03:22<mans9k>when i resume from suspend , hdd spins up, but key board does not work, neither do i get any display, i need to shut down and reboot :(
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03:24<jelloir>chealer: cool, i've got 2.6.26 still installed so i'll reboot and see what gives with hal on that... just gunna finish my playlist first :) - thanks
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03:28<chahibi>How can I know from the command line which packages belong to a certain repository?
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03:29<mans9k>suspend resume does not work :(
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03:50<dweller_in_peace>Hi, I am using debian lenny on my laptop
03:50<dweller_in_peace>I have got 4 partitions
03:52<dweller_in_peace>partition1- ntfs(windows xp) partition2- ntfs (windows vista), partition3 - fat32(for storage) partition4- ext3 for debian
03:52<dweller_in_peace>I want to mount fat partition
03:52<dweller_in_peace>I am login as normal user
03:52<dweller_in_peace>I get error message
03:53<dweller_in_peace>You are not privileged to mount this volume
03:53<cahoot>try /msg dpkg vfatrw
03:54<dweller_in_peace>It says no such file or directory
03:54<cahoot>try /msg dpkg vfatrw (in your irc client)
03:55<ml>dweller_in_peace: you have to mount as root
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03:58<dweller_in_peace>Thank you, cahoot I will try to change fstab as per your advice
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04:26<cahoot>judd: versions gallery2
04:26<judd>cahoot: gallery2 -- etch: 2.1.2-2.0.etch.1 etch-security: 2.1.2-2.0.etch.1 sid: 2.3-1 squeeze: 2.3-1
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04:28<dweller_in_peace>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
04:28<dweller_in_peace>/dev/sda6 / reiserfs notail 0 1
04:28<dweller_in_peace>/dev/sda5 none swap sw 0 0
04:28<dweller_in_peace>/dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
04:28<dweller_in_peace>/dev/sda4 /mnt/fat vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0
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04:29<Supaplex>!tell dweller_in_peace about paste
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04:31<mans9k>!tell mans9k suspend
04:31<mans9k>!tell mans9k suspend
04:31<dweller_in_peace>/dev/sda6 / reiserfs notail 0 1
04:31<dweller_in_peace>/dev/sda5 none swap sw 0 0
04:32<mans9k>!tell mans9k resume
04:32<dweller_in_peace>/dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
04:32<dweller_in_peace>/dev/sda4 /mnt/fat vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0
04:32<Supaplex>mans9k: just /query dpkg
04:32<Supaplex>dweller_in_peace: stop pasting
04:32<dweller_in_peace>this is output of my /etc/fstab
04:32<cahoot>dweller_in_peace: why are you pasting this?
04:33<Supaplex>because he's ignoring dpkg's last message. :)
04:33<dweller_in_peace>not pasting any more
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04:33<cahoot>I think there's a metamessage somewhere
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04:34<dweller_in_peace>I still get same error message "You are not privileged to mount this volume"
04:34<maidaofu>intel gma915 how to improve the refresh of the external CRT monitor into 85hz using dual head (the native notebook refresh is 60hz)
04:35<Supaplex>dweller_in_peace: which volume? I only see cdrom having the user option.
04:35<dweller_in_peace>my fat volume is /dev/sda4
04:35<wozza>dweller_in_peace are you in the right group? type groups and hit enter ..
04:36<Supaplex>dweller_in_peace: then add user as another option to /dev/sda4.
04:37<dweller_in_peace>how do I add user to /dev/sda4. thanks
04:37<Supaplex>right after "defaults". do you know how to edit files with a text editor?
04:38<Supaplex>!tell dweller_in_peace -about grounding
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04:39<wozza>maidaofu install 915resolution package
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04:39<maidaofu>and then?
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04:42<dweller_in_peace>I added the following line
04:43<dweller_in_peace>/dev/sda4 /mnt/vfat defaults,user,umask=022 0 0
04:43<dweller_in_peace>and it works now
04:43<wozza>maidaofu RTFM.. perhaps?
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04:43<dweller_in_peace>thank you guys very much for your help.
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04:46<wozza>*maidaofu* you will have to play with the monitor options
04:47<wozza>btw: have you tried grand?
04:47<Clear>Hi, i used the tar xfz command to unpack my files, but it says cannot open: no such file or directory, how fix this?
04:48<maidaofu>intel gma915 how to improve the refresh of the external CRT monitor into 85hz using dual head (the native notebook refresh is 60hz)
04:48<cahoot>Clear: try xzf
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04:48<Clear>kk, gonna try, thanks
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04:49<wozza>maidaofu did you try grandr?
04:50<maidaofu>just 60hz provided
04:50<maidaofu>in vga
04:50<cahoot>maidaofu: use gtf to create a modeline
04:50<wozza>and does the CRT flicker?
04:51<Clear>cahoot, i still get the same error =/
04:51<maidaofu>in 60hz, it is
04:51<Clear>i just downloaded something with wget, i dunno what is the default directory where it will be downloaded, and how i get there
04:51<maidaofu>but in 85hz, the monitor is normal
04:52<cahoot>Clear: you need figure out where the file is
04:53<cahoot>Clear: probably the dir from where you executed wget
04:53<wozza>maidaofu man xorg.conf look at Option "TargetRefresh" "rate" under Monitor Section
04:53<Clear>i think i just did that in de default dir
04:53<Clear>i started up my pc, and did wget, that's all
04:53<Clear>i didnt mess around with dirs, so i dont understand why itsnot working
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04:54<cahoot>Clear: ls Desktop
04:55<Clear>ls: cannot access Desktop: No such file or directory
04:55<ml>Clear: try cd then ls Desktop
04:56<cahoot>Clear: anyway - what are you trying to achieve with the tar ball?
04:56<Clear>my ircd
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04:57<cahoot>Clear: installing from src?
04:57<cahoot>Clear: why not use a debian package?
04:57<Clear>how does that work?
04:57<Supaplex>!tell Clear -about search
04:57<cahoot>Clear: do you use debian at all?
04:58<Clear>debian 5.0
04:58<Clear>but i'm newbie :p
04:59<cahoot>Clear: should take your time and learn some about debian and its packge management
04:59<Clear>gonna read docs at the site
05:00<ml>!tell Clear -about aptitude
05:00<maidaofu>is this possible the refresh of external crt monitor can be set at 85hz under the native refresh is 60hz?
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05:04<jrodger>I tried to add the "unstable" repo to get OpenOffice 3.0 but must have got it wrong, can someone help me?
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05:24<jrodger>how do you add different repos?
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05:30<cahoot>jrodger: you ask for instructions on how to add unstable sources, in effect creating a 'mixed' system - I think most are reluctant to publicly give such advice
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05:31<jrodger>I just want to add openoffice 3.x if there is another way
05:32<cahoot>judd: versions openoffice
05:32<judd>cahoot: openoffice --
05:32<cahoot>judd: versions
05:32<judd>cahoot: -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 squeeze: 1:2.4.1-17+b1 sid: 1:3.0.1-5
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05:33<cahoot>jrodger: doesn't seem possible using stable debian atm
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05:35<jrodger>ok, I will wait then
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05:37<cahoot>jrodger: might be backported in the future
05:37<jrodger>any ideas/guesses as to how long?
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05:41<cahoot>sorry - no
05:41<Supaplex><wir> :)
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05:54<AlexPCP>Any body speak Russian?
05:54<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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06:17<bruthe>hi everybody
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06:34<revsteven>CIAO A TUTTI
06:35<revsteven>informazioni tecniche posso chiederle qui?
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06:36<revsteven>c'è qualcuno???
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06:36<revsteven>perfavore rispondete
06:36<revsteven>ho un problema urgente
06:37<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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06:40<Supaplex>lol. I'm so silly. I'm trying to figure out why mplayer is craptastic, and I was ssh -X to one box, and then again back to myself.
06:41*Supaplex clearly needs ... some zZzzZzzz's now
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07:35<peej>I'm trying to get my mic working on lenny with dell xpsm1330 : 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02). With snd_hda_intel from the latest m-a compile everything but the mike works. Suggestions?
07:37<peej>me decides to try enabling all the gnome-volume-ctrl settings and playing around with them...
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07:38<zem_>peej: run "gstreamer-properties" and check if correct device is set
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07:41<peej>zem: I've fired up gstreamer-properties (as root) - I'll try playing around with test buttons
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07:45<peej>zem: default output is fine. What do I do to test default input? I don't understand how I should approach this.
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07:46<peej>(default output gave a sound on test)
07:47<peej>actually, so does default input if you select test sound.
07:47<peej>as the plugin
07:47<mAIlman>hey, i will get right to my questions: just installed debian lenny and want to have a server with it (apache, mysql, php, OWN DOMAIN (eg. does anybody have a great tutorial on doing that? tnx
07:49<peej>mAIlman, try searching - there's probably something good there
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07:50<mAIlman>tnx i'll try
07:51<mAIlman>is there an automated installation for servers like a wizard or something?
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07:53<zem_>peej: but you are interested with default input, not output
07:53<peej>not sure. I think the core principle is mainly do an apt-get, and tweak update-rc.d to sort out how you set up the basic stuff. after that it's read the fine manuals for apache to beat it into the shape you want.
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07:54<peej>zem: yep. So I'm rtfming trying to see what I should be doing to test my mic
07:55<dpkg>an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site:
07:55<peej>mAIlman, apache/mysql/php whatever...
07:56<peej>abrotman, yeah, but that's more for cloning systems. mAIlman want's wizards to point and click and set up stuff.
07:56<abrotman>peej: no, FAI is for the installer
07:57<peej>mAIlman, webmin might me handy
07:57<abrotman>how is webmin going to automate system installation?
07:57<peej>abrotman, not installation. tweaking the services into shape.
07:57<abrotman><mAIlman> is there an automated installation for servers like a wizard or something?
07:57<abrotman>instgallation ..
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07:58<mAIlman>thanks for the FAI
07:58<mAIlman>i'm just trying to install webmin,
07:58<abrotman>webmin isn't in debian
07:58<peej>mailman: do you mean tweaking services or basic installation of services?
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07:58<abrotman>there's also preseeding
07:59<peej>abrotman, why not?
07:59<mAIlman>basic install and maybe tweaking later in case of errrors
07:59<abrotman>because webmin is a pile of crap
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07:59*peej guesses it is too painful to sync with packages
08:00<peej>abrotman, why do you reckon it's a pile of crap?
08:00<mAIlman>i tried ISPConfig a year ago but my little brain were still too little to understandit
08:00<abrotman>full of security problems? makes admins into morons
08:00<peej>dpkg, preseeding?
08:00<dpkg>well, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or or Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running.
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08:01<peej>abrotman, heh - I've just been playing with webmin on centos a few days ago - to let an end user do his own cron scheduling with point and click
08:02<mAIlman>So the Preeseed menas i could just configure commands that should be done during the installation as in this tutorial :
08:02<abrotman>peej: is it a server or desktop ?
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08:02<PMF>hi folks. i have a fresh install of lenny, but its unstable with my areca card - which was also the case with etch. after compiling a kernel from, etch was fixed, so i wanted to do the same for lenny...
08:02<PMF>except this time around i used encryption, and after the kernel compile the new kernel doesnt boot as it doesnt even ask me for an encryption key at boot, and therefore obviously cant find the files its looking for. what do i need to do to get it to ask me for the key at boot?
08:03<peej>abrotman, webmin ran on a server, the user ran on a thin client. closed off network.
08:03<abrotman>peej: teach them crontab :)
08:04<abrotman>i wouldn't personally use that howto
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08:05<abrotman>it does some weird (potentially wrong) things
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08:06<mAIlman>there is one more updated here:
08:06<mAIlman>and if not one of them, what tutorial would you recommend?
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08:10<abrotman>i don't want to read five pages :)
08:11<mAIlman>no need to
08:11<mAIlman>first you install debina via deb. installer
08:11<mAIlman>then some packages required
08:11<mAIlman>then the mail server
08:11<mAIlman>then apache, mysql
08:12<abrotman>peej: see ..
08:12<mAIlman>and configure all together
08:12<abrotman>mAIlman: i'm not going to stop you from doing it, i just said i wouldn't use it'
08:13<mAIlman>yes i know. that is why im asking for some other links to tutorials :-)
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08:21<peej>abrotman, see ?
08:21*peej has his mic working - sort of - now need to figure out what setting does what. Too many config options....
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09:38<c444>i have 4GB, so why # free shows me total mem: 885600 ?
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09:50<c444>hi lass
09:50<lass>i havind trouble finding my ip adresse of my network wi fi card
09:51<lass>when entering the command "ifconfig"
09:51<lass>(sorry my english isn't fluent)
09:51<lass>i actually can see my network card when i enter the command iwconfig
09:52<lass>can anyone help me
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09:53<c444>lass, go to pastebin and paste the result
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09:56<c444>lass: and tell me the page
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09:58<lass>c444 =>
09:58<lass>c444, thanks
09:59<c444>lass: Your device wlan0 is not configured (i think) go to /etc/network and configure it, or install some dhcp client (and server?)
10:00<lass>c444 : i' have done that i think can i paste my /etc/network configuration for you to have a lokk if it is correct or not?
10:03<c444>just do it
10:05<c444>lass: i dont know about wpa, sorry
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10:05<lass>ok thankx
10:06<aleksander>hi. ;]
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10:09<gsimmons>lass: No IP address is reported as your interface isn't associated with an access point. Have you run "ifup wlan0"?
10:10<gkahla>is anyone familiar with the f-spot package included with Lenny? I think I'm having library troubles...
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10:10<lass>gsimmons, that's what i figured out
10:12<lass>gsimmons, do you think i can edit the ip address and the ssid directly in the /sbin/iwconfig/wlan0 directory ?
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10:12<aryah>so, Im attempting to downgrade libgtk2 from unstable version back to testing. If I force the version, apt kindly offers to remove all of my desktop. If I set pin for testing to 1001 in preferences and do dist-upgrade, it offers a more-or less sane sollution. But then it wants to revert some unrelated packages, like nvidia module to testing too - its on pin 1010 but its as if anything beyond 1001 is the same? can I make apt resolve dependencie
10:12<aryah>s like it does with dist-upgrade but only on one package or could you point me to some literature on downgrading?
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10:15<zem_>lass: have you tried iwconfig wlan0 essid <AP name>?
10:15<gsimmons>lass: No. If you want to set a static IP address for this interface, define it within /etc/network/interfaces; man 5 interfaces . You're already specifying SSID(s) to use within /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf.
10:15<simonrvn>aryah: downgrade isn't supported. if you want to do that, you have to do it manually. and that isn't supported, and quite tedious.
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10:18<lass>gsimmons, zem_ : thank you very much
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10:20<zem_>lass: you can put it in /etc/network/interfaces
10:20<zem_>lass: it should associate it on boot then
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10:21<lass>zem_, ok ill reboot my pc thankx again
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10:29<aryah>well, I tried it anyways and pressed the faithfull enter, so what are my chances of seeing X in less than a few hours if an nvidia module gets removed for the testing version for a moment before returning back to the correct one? :) sorry, I knew one is not supposed to do such things, but im trying to learn a bit about the debian system ...
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10:38<valdyn>aryah: downgrading is not supported
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10:42<simonrvn>aryah: downgrade isn't supported. if you want to do that, you have to do it manually. and that isn't supported, and quite tedious.
10:42<simonrvn>aryah: downgrade isn't supported. if you want to do that, you have to do it manually. and that isn't supported, and quite tedious.
10:43<abrotman>tell him again!
10:44<aryah>ok, I understand, thx for the warning, its past tense now, it wasnt many packages, it might be ok
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10:51<Geek`N`Proud`>simonrvn: it's not that hard and it is supported by dpkg just not by policy ;-p
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10:51<simonrvn>hard != tedious
10:52<hollo>hi.. im looking into clustering.. im used to use ultra monkey, and now im facing a new setup.. which bring me to some research :) ultra monkey havent been updates for quite a few years.. someone know if there are any just as nice alternatives?
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10:53<hollo>.. sure ultramonkey seems to be stable enough.. but, i just dont like projects which is not beeing updated anymore..
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11:00<Pitxyoki>To use a program with a different language, shouldn't it be enough to do "LANG=pt_PT.UTF-8 <program-name>"?
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11:01<simonrvn>that's a case where i'd use LC_ALL=
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11:03<Pitxyoki>For some reason, aMule isn't obeying that anymore.
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11:04<Woet>Some VPS (or dedicated servers) companies have a so called recovery mode, which makes the server boot into a mode that is not dependant on the GRUB/kernel/whatever
11:05<Woet>is there any tutorial or more information available on how to achieve such a thing?
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11:14<c4__>why # free -m shows me total mem: 864?
11:14<Pitxyoki>Ah, sorry.
11:14<Geek`N`Proud`>c4__: how much should you have?
11:14<Pitxyoki>I have to install the amule-common package.
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11:17<c4__>Geek`N`Proud`: 4GB
11:18<Geek`N`Proud`>c4__: are you using 32-bit or 64-bit Debian?
11:19<c4__>Geek`N`Proud`: 32 bits, do you know a kernel parameter that could be? i have a "debian way" home brew compiled kernel
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11:19<Geek`N`Proud`>c4__: yes I think I know what you've done
11:19<Geek`N`Proud`>look at the user/kernel split setting you chose
11:19<Geek`N`Proud`>technically 32-bit can't even do 1GB without workarounds
11:19<Geek`N`Proud`>and video RAM counts in that
11:20<Geek`N`Proud`>my advice is get 64-bit
11:20<c4__>ok... i have an nvidia 8400GS that has some own memory and can share some amount of ram
11:20<Geek`N`Proud`>yeah that could be why
11:21<Geek`N`Proud`>if you've compiled it without certain options that explains it
11:21<c4__>Geek`N`Proud`: Where is that user/kernel split thing?
11:22<Geek`N`Proud`>and read carefully.. this has loads of downsides
11:23<Geek`N`Proud`>if you have more than 1GB you want 64-bit ideally.. even though you could push it to 4GB
11:23<Geek`N`Proud`>(or even 64GB with PAE)
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11:24<c4__>Geek`N`Proud`: And do you think that Sun Netbeans will still (steal or steel more or less keep) working with 64 bit linux kernel?
11:25<c4__>i think the word is still
11:25<Geek`N`Proud`>c4__: are we talking about an IDE here?
11:26<Geek`N`Proud`>any and all userspace apps work on a 64-bit kernel with the right 32-bit userspace libraries
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11:27<c4__>ok, and the kernel source is 64 or 32 bits or the compilation of the same kernel source makes 64 bits or 32 bits code?
11:27<c4__>i mean, i go to, and 32 and 64 bits is the same code?
11:27<Geek`N`Proud`>yes it is
11:27<Geek`N`Proud`>the same source is for every architecture
11:27<c4__>good for that 8o)
11:28<c4__>wow! better so
11:28<Geek`N`Proud`>but you need a 64-bit system ideally to compile the 64-bit kernel
11:28<c4__>ok ok a 64 bit compiler and libraries,...
11:28<c4__>i got it (more or less)
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11:29<c4__>i will do that
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11:29<c4__>damn! olways someone call in the best part >o/
11:34<Geek`N`Proud`>c4__: it appears netbeans works on all platforms there's a JRE for
11:34<Geek`N`Proud`>so a full x86_64 (AMD64) system would be fine too
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11:39<D6>Hi. Could anyone please answer a strange question: aptitude has well-known bug with "hold". The most recent bugreport: Bugzilla also has several bugreports about "hold". Why this bug wasn't fixed before Lenny release? Why is it still not fixed? Thanks!
11:40<D6>This is very strange, because we also have a patch
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11:41<D6>some months ago...
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11:47<Woet>Some VPS (or dedicated servers) companies have a so called recovery mode, which makes the server boot into a mode that is not dependant on the GRUB/kernel/whatever
11:47<Woet>is there any tutorial or more information available on how to achieve such a thing?
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11:54<metalqga>sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is on
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11:54<metalqga>but it isn't (panasonic digital camera SD mem card)
11:54<respena_>I bought a PCI WIFI card, with a chip atheros (unfortunately, this was the only card with the chip specified on the box, so I took it). It's "00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC (rev 01)" but it doesn't seem to appear on Am I dommed ?
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11:55<respena_>Or do I still have a chance to make it work ? Even if it's with a non free driver :/
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11:57<pmitros>I always forget the commandline tool to print the integers... Anyone recall what it is off-hand?
11:58<respena_>seq ?
11:58<gsimmons>respena_: What are the vendor and device codes for your card? (lspci -nn)
11:58<pmitros>Ah. Thanks. That was it.
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11:58<respena_>gsimmons: 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC [168c:001a] (rev 01) ?
11:59<respena_>Errr, I found 3 threads about this chip on ubuntu forums, and no solution was found :/
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12:00<gsimmons>respena_: Your device is supported by the ath5k driver is Lenny, probably Madwifi also. See the ath5k or WiFi/ath_pci wiki pages respectively.
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12:03<respena_>gsimmons: Oh ? It's rellay supported by the free driver ? This is a great relief then :)
12:03<respena_>So I guess I should add this to the wiki if I can make it work ?
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12:06<respena_>Hm, ok ath5k module is loaded.
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12:07<respena_>And kwifimanager shows me few results for a scan. I guess this works then (I do not have a wifi connexion here) :)
12:07<respena_>gsimmons: thaks a lot
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12:46<ficib>chiedo aiuto a qualcuno; oggi per la prima volta ho installato debian. non ne capisco una mazza.. Vi chiedo perche' quando devo vedere un file avi aprendo totem si chiude subito?
12:47<adema>speak english :p
12:47<ficib>ok I try :D
12:47<ficib>now isntalled debian the first time
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12:48<ficib>i dont view files .avi because the rprogam totem stop immediately
12:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:48<ficib>ok tmk
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12:49<abrotman>and avi is only a container
12:49<abrotman>ficib: tried vlc?
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13:11<themusicgod1>what would be more valuable for the debian/free software community for me to know more about & take a class about: crypto & netsec, image processing, management support systems, low level hardware design(adders, clocks, vlsi?...)
13:12<Net>I have a question regarding security updates. Should the security updates also include bug fixes that are not security related ?
13:12<themusicgod1>Isn't the whole point of security updates that they just be security updates?
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13:13<Net>I was just going to correct myself. What I meant to say was updates in general
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13:18<Net>I guess I am trying to find out is what is Debian's policy is for updates to packages.
13:19<Pitxyoki>Net, I think the security updates are only just that: security updates and nothing else.
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13:21<jirka>I don't want to boring you - could someones help me with my E3500 Cam problem?; and yes i googled, "newsed" and so on :-). lenny installed, v4l mods etc.
13:21<abrotman>Net: ideally, no
13:21<Net>So if a software package fixed some bugs that effected functionality, would those patches be applied and when would this occur ?
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13:21<abrotman>Net: the security updates shuld fix the security issues, not other stuff IIRC ..
13:21<dpkg>[policy] available at - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly.
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13:22<abrotman>Net: if a package has fixes for something like an RC bug, those happen at point releases if they're allowed in
13:22<abrotman>it depends on the impact of the fix
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13:23<Net>I see
13:24<abrotman>oh .. wrong manual anyways ..
13:24<potyl>Hi, I've just installed debian lenny and I have no sound (i'm using gnome). How can I troubleshoot this?
13:24<abrotman>!alsa checklist
13:24<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
13:25<Net>I was originally looking at that manual :)
13:25<Net>thanks abrotman and Pitxyoki for your comments
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13:26<Pitxyoki>I'm not on the 'audio' group and I have sound.
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13:27<Pitxyoki>Anyway, I solved my audio woes with alsamixer.
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13:28<jirka>Net, Pitxyoki: may i ask you about webcam's?
13:28<Pitxyoki>You may ask me anything.
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13:28<Pitxyoki>I just might not know the answer.
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13:30<Net>go for it..
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13:30<jirka>i've got a E3500 Logitech; and gooogled, 'newsed' and so on. mod'd's from qc an ga and and nd camarona & etc. don't work... *sniff*
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13:32<techboi128>Would anyone know where to get information on were to obtain a code for ?
13:32<abrotman>did you try asking them ?
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13:33<techboi128>yes I have been waiting to join but the registration is always closed
13:33<diego>Hi there, Im mounting an image with a loopback and I want gnome to believe its a dvd (not a harddrive) so totem will play it
13:33<diego>any help :D ?
13:33<jirka>Pitxioki: i'm sure i can ask you everithing, do i get an answer? :)
13:34<diego>the image is from a UDF dvd, the dvd plays fine if recorded
13:34<meoblast001>i'm looking for some information
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13:35<meoblast001>i've used Linux for quite some time (2 years) and while looking for the perfect distro for me, i realized i need to make my own.... i've expirimented with simple-cdd and googled around, but can't find any useful information on making a modified debian distro, does anyone know of any good reads i can read for info?
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13:37<Net>jirka: check out this link
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13:37<zem>i just have to ask, what do you need from a distro that none of them has?
13:37<potyl>I followed the instructions posted above and I still have no sound :(
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13:38<Net>potly: what type of sound card ?
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13:39<potyl>I have a sound blaster audigy 2 Zs (it was working for many years with different versions of ubuntu) and an integrated one (don't know what)
13:39<abrotman>potyl: for you or all users ?
13:40<potyl>for all users :(
13:40<potyl>I created a new user in order to test and no sound.
13:40<abrotman>tried as root?
13:40<potyl>Is the GDM greater making sound when it first displays? I only hear a PC beep
13:40<zem>potyl: go to system->preferences->sound, then test different devices
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13:41<potyl>GDM doesn't let me login as root, although I followed the instructions above and did aplay as root and nothing
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13:41<cahoot>potyl: run asoundconf and make sure the audigy is default
13:42<potyl>with the sound dialog I get plenty of gstreamer errors: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback.
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13:42<potyl>asoundconf as root?
13:42<cahoot>should do for user too
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13:43<potyl>whoa, not that's bad
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13:44<potyl>before aplay would do something but I will not hear it, not it spits lots of error in the console: ALSA lib conf.c:3513:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or directory
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13:46<potyl>A few hours ago I had ubuntu here and "asoundconf list" was showing me 2 devices while Debian shows me only one.
13:46<Net>potyl: in a console try doing a "dmesg | more" to see if there are any error messages displayed about your sound card
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13:46<aaron>ciao come foziona
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13:49<potyl>I don't see any anomalies in dmesg, although I'm not too sure that I know what I'm looking for there :P
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13:51<Nazcafan>I get an error while upgrading the glibc
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13:51<potyl>what's strange is if after I reconfigure alsa I can hear a small and short pffffff from the speakers
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13:53<fxiny>potyl: fix your spacecraft o-rings :P
13:54<Net>potly: did a quick google search and found this it's for fedora but it may give you some hints
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13:54<Nazcafan>I always feel kind of nervous when upgrading glibc fails
13:55<candyban>Hi guys, are the debian-security archives mirrored in the regular archives?
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14:03<potyl>noise! noise! I can hear it :D
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14:05<Net>potyl: I hope that is a good thing
14:05<potyl>I'm not too sure of what I did. Net's link reminded my that many years ago (~3/4 years) I had a similar problem with the sound card. One of the mixers in alsa was muted
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14:06<potyl>This sound blaster has a LOT of mixers in alsa. This can be scary. I think that the mixers can save their states (i'm not too sure about this) so it will explain why in th new ubuntu I had no sound (it probably reset the state of the card) and it affected debian.
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14:08<potyl>But resetting the mixer wasn't enough. Because aplay or alsa saved the some configuration and was spitting plenty of alsa errors like: ALSA lib confmisc.c:1286:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.pcm.dmix.device'
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14:08<potyl>This last errors got fixed by removing .asoundrc and .asoundrc.asoundconf.
14:08<potyl>I hope that this will help someone else.
14:09<potyl>I will reboot and see if it will work again. Cross your fingers !
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14:20<potyl>The noise is now music!
14:20<potyl>So I know that it works. Although it wasn't so straight forward.
14:21<potyl>Wait, don't celebrate yet. :D
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14:21<potyl>After the reboot alsa was confused. I did an alsaconf and it couldn't detect the cards!
14:22<potyl>But after a second alsaconf it found the cards.
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14:22<potyl>Is there a way to tell alsa what configuration to use? It would be nice if this would be permanent.
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14:22<pablo>ep 9001
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14:23<pablo>cerco driver ep 9001 surecom
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14:24<pablo>per ubuntu
14:24<de>it is porpugues
14:24<Net>bye for now..
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14:25<de>it is brasil
14:25<pablo>no italian
14:25<de>end brasil
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14:27<metalqga>the camera was the problem, the cardreader can rw on the sd card
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14:35<potyl>Debian doesn't see my webcam as a audio input source.
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14:36<potyl>That's not good as it's the microphone that I use in skype.
14:36<potyl>How can I detect the device?
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14:43<potyl>Ok I found that if I load the following modules: v4l2_common video snd_usb_lib snd_usb_audio I have the webcam microphone available.
14:44<potyl>How can I tell debian to load the modules after each reboot?
14:44<doom_buggy>yeah. so firefox wont compile on my system from source so i just grabbed the linux-i686 build. i untarred it and put it into /opt as per a suggestion i got somewhere on irc. problem is i need to install things like flash and mozilla-mplayer... but i think they are not being installed to the right location. anyone see a way i could fix this?
14:46<potyl>doom_buggy: you should be able to install the plugins in your home account, simply copy the .so files to ~/.mozilla/plugins
14:46<doom_buggy>...copy them from where?
14:47<potyl>well flash from the .tar.gz that abobe gives you
14:47<potyl>mozilla-mplayer you could simply download the .deb and extract the .so file from there
14:47<doom_buggy>ok. how do i extract the .so from the deb?
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14:48<karlsbox>hello all...
14:49<karlsbox>new to chat and have some questions about dual boot with debian and windows
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14:50<potyl>doom_buggy: the gnome archive manager can read them I think
14:50<doom_buggy>can read what?
14:50<potyl>the debs
14:50<potyl>but you can just use dpkg --extract
14:51<potyl>doom_buggy: you seem to be going into a lot of troubles for firefox. Can't you just use iceweasel?
14:52<doom_buggy>this is the only problem i have right now. besides, i consider it a learning experience.
14:53<potyl>I'm not sure that playing with firefox is a "learning experince"! It's more like masochism.
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14:55<potyl>doom_buggy: are you familiar with apt-get? You can use it to get the source of a package and to install all build dependencies.
14:55<potyl>doom_buggy: this could help you to have firefox compiled and installed.
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14:56<doom_buggy>i use aptitude, but yeah
14:56<potyl>for instance "sudo apt-get source iceweasel" will download the source of the package iceweasel
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14:57<doom_buggy>someone was saying that the problem was with debian using an outdated gtk
14:57<doom_buggy>i think
14:57<potyl>and "sudo apt-get build-dep iceweasel" will install you (hopefully) everything you need for building it
14:57<doom_buggy>i specifically want firefox installed
14:57<doom_buggy>i could have iceweasel any time.
14:58<potyl>once you know that iceweasel is firefox, the building procedure of iceweasel should help.
14:58<potyl>at least installing the build dependencies should do as they should be the same
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14:58<doom_buggy>i was building ff from source
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14:59<doom_buggy>configure: error: --enable-application=APP was not specified and is required.
14:59<potyl>wouldn't APP be firefox or gecko or xul?
14:59<doom_buggy>then another error after adding that configure option
14:59<potyl>check in the source of icewease in the file debian/rules
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15:00<potyl>that's how the debian mantainers build the package
15:00<potyl>the thing is that firefox is so big that it's split over many packages, this will be another chanlenge
15:00<potyl>but you like to learn :D
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15:09<capitaozap>Olá Pessoal.
15:10<capitaozap>Boa tarde.
15:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:10<capitaozap>i'm sorry
15:11<OdyX>no problem !
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15:12<linuxguy>hi guys
15:13<linuxguy>I am trying to get a virtual console to go out to a second monitor any clues? the only thing i can find involves using frame buffers and the con2fb command
15:14<linuxguy>and the con2fb command doesnt seem to be in debian anymore
15:14<linuxguy>I assume it got dropped due to being obsolete.
15:14<linuxguy>so what replaced it?
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15:25<j-rodriguez>alguien sabe si ya esta disponible una solución para la tarjeta de video sis
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15:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:26<zxd_>what's the difference between purge and remove
15:26<abrotman>the aptitude man page tells you
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15:28<j-rodriguez>quien tiene un portátil con una tarjeta sis
15:28<zxd_>abrotman it says about purge
15:28<j-rodriguez>y que tenga buena resolución
15:28<abrotman>j-rodriguez: #debian-es
15:28<abrotman>or speak english here
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15:29<abrotman>zxd_: sorry .. the apt-get man page explains it better i guess
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15:32<zxd_>abrotman: does the purge/remove command remove all installed files or do i need to specify them again in postrm maintainer script in the package
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15:33<abrotman>they do different things
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15:35<linuxguy>sorry but my internet keeps going down.
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15:35<linuxguy>so how do a make a virtual terminal go to the second monitor?
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15:40<nightdrever>ok how do i change the appearence of ubuntu easily?
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15:41<Supaplex>nightdrever: by installing debian. ;)
15:41<Supaplex>!tell nightdrever -about ubuntu
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15:42<nightdrever>well thats ok is debian better than ubuntu?
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15:42<nightdrever>and can u install it through something like wubi?
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15:43<pauline>how are you ?
15:43<dpkg>debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see
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15:44<cahoot>nightdrever: you have a working ubuntu?
15:44<Supaplex>nightdrever: better? sure. You're asking #debian, so pardon our bias =)
15:44<nightdrever>yes i have installed it through wubi
15:44<nightdrever>so it duel boot i also have windows xp
15:44<nightdrever>and why is debian better?
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15:45<cahoot>nightdrever: in that case I'd suggest you get used to that and get some basic linux experience/knowledge and possibly move on from there
15:45<Supaplex>!tell nightdrever about why debian
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15:45<Neto_Martins>Algum brasileiro na sala?
15:45<nightdrever>i would just like the best distribution of linuz.....but i dont know what is the best version?
15:45<Supaplex>nightdrever: installing anew isn't really going to solve much.
15:45<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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15:46<Supaplex>any of the major distros is good enough to get grounding in. after you have an opinion of a few things, feel free to dabble until you make up you mind.
15:46<nightdrever>appearend and easy to use
15:46<Neto_Martins>alguem aki é do Brasil? Preciso saber algum server BR
15:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:47<cahoot>nightdrever: then stick with ubuntu
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15:47<nightdrever>ok........i just dont like the appearance
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15:48<Supaplex>we don't dabble with ubuntu, so please ask them how to alter the apperance.
15:48<cahoot>nightdrever: well - if have problems finding out how to change appearance I doubt you'll be happy with any other linuxdistro
15:48<nightdrever>how to i change to that room......sorry im a newbie
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15:50<streuner>nightdrever: /connect irc.fe
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15:50<streuner>hm, too late
15:51<Supaplex>ditto. :P
15:51*Supaplex removes start with /server and then /join #ubuntu after you're connected. from his yank buffer.
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15:58<suzzi>Hi. how do get a monitor that's been brought to sleep by X (I think) to wake up without moving the mouse or touching the keyboard?
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15:58<suzzi>(I only have ssh access to the machine in question)
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16:01<suzzi>hm, I could probably use xrandr(1) to turn the output in question off and on again, but that sounds like an option that's more complex then needed. I mean there probably must be a way to do whatever X clients do when they report 'activity', right?
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16:01<valdyn>suzzi: no, x clients activity is not going to turn the display back on
16:02<gravity>There's likely an extension call that you can use to turn on the monitor again, although I don't know what it is
16:03<suzzi>I tried xset dpms force on but that didn't help
16:03<suzzi>it seems the display isn't turned blank by dpms but through some other means
16:03<fxiny>what about running xclock -display :0 ?
16:03<suzzi>I tried just starting a client, didn't work
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16:04<suzzi>pkill -f xscreensave did the trick 8)
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16:12<irch>Hello guys. My Internet connection requires a pppeo authentification and from time to time I get disconnected and the only solution i`v come up with is to re-connect. By "disconnected" I mean everything else works, besides the http browsing. I`v looked trough the log, but I can`t come up with nothing useful. Can somebody give me a suggestion on where to start with this issue. It really get annoying. Thanks.
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16:13<valdyn>itch: like what works?
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16:14<itch>valdyn: like, chatting with you right now.
16:14<valdyn>itch: does "host" work ?
16:14<itch>valdyn: also I have the torrents and something downloading with wget that also works
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16:15<itch>valdyn: yes, it works
16:15<valdyn>itch: and webbrowsing does not?
16:15<itch>valdyn: noup
16:16<valdyn>itch: what if you restart the webbrowser?
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16:18<itch>valdyn: Yup, it does work if I restart the webbrowser
16:18<valdyn>itch: which webbrowser is this?
16:18<itch>Mozilla Firefox
16:18<valdyn>mm, i have no idea why it would need a restart
16:19<valdyn>next time try if you can access urls by ip instead of by name
16:19<itch>valdyn: What`s weird is that it only happens when I`m using this internet connection
16:20<valdyn>itch: i bet, this is not regular behaviour
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16:20<valdyn>itch: but regularily some things also just do not change even if you reconnect
16:20<valdyn>itch: like the nameserver
16:21<itch>I know. But if I re-connect, it works after without having to restart the web browser ..
16:22<valdyn>itch: thats something else, depending on how you reconnect
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16:22<itch>valdyn: poff dsl-provider / pon dsl-provider
16:22<valdyn>itch: youre probably bringing down the whole ppp0 interface, instead of just pppd reconnecting
16:22<valdyn>itch: im not 100% clear what poff/pon do
16:23<valdyn>itch: im sure its different from automatic reconnect
16:23<itch>valdyn: Hmmm.
16:24<itch>valdyn: Anyway, thanks for your time :)
16:24<Supaplex>pon and poff start and stop the pppd connection. eg, pon fires up the dialer and goes with it. see pppconfig
16:25<meoblast001>what does this mean dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to icecat-3.0.6/a.out: binary file contents changed
16:25<Supaplex>as for pppoe, there's pppoeconfig I think. and it should be in interfaces(5)
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16:25<alyre>Get psyBNC for w1nd0ze on
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16:25<valdyn>suzzi: pppoeconf, but i dont know how that would help me
16:26*Supaplex is stuck with openwrt at his dsl gw router until he tosses a bigger CF in there
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16:27<valdyn>itch: check if your browser goes into offline mode
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16:27<salaidh>Get psyBNC for w1nd0ze on
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16:27<valdyn>itch: i have not seen that happen in linux, but i barely use firefox / iceweasel
16:27<valdyn>itch: on windows the browsers will not go back into online mode automagically
16:27<amphi>what a good idea!
16:27<valdyn>( and im not getting disonnects anyway )
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16:29<itch>valdyn: what browser do you use in linux ?
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16:29<valdyn>itch: mostly epiphany-browser
16:31<doom_buggy>is there a way to have two drives appear and act as one?
16:31<valdyn>doom_buggy: various ways
16:31<itch>valdyn: is it better than Firefox ? I know it uses the same rendering engine
16:31<valdyn>itch: nah, its not better
16:32<doom_buggy>valdyn: suggestions? is doing this "called" something
16:32<valdyn>itch: its naturally better integrated into gnome, and im used to it, thats all
16:32<itch>valdyn: I see.
16:32<valdyn>doom_buggy: if you want to concatenate those 2 drives, keeping both drives storage, thats a stupid idea
16:32<doom_buggy>valdyn: why?
16:32<valdyn>doom_buggy: if you want to do a raid1, thats also feasable
16:33<valdyn>doom_buggy: because if one drive breaks then the whole data is gone
16:33<dpkg>it has been said that squashfs is a compressed read-only filesystem for Linux. Squashfs is intended for general read-only filesystem use, for archival use (i.e. in cases where a .tar.gz file may be used), and in constrained block device/memory systems (e.g. embedded systems) where low overhead is needed. The filesystem is currently stable, and has been tested on PowerPC, i586, Sparc and ARM architectures. Merged into mainline kernel, available in ...
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16:33<valdyn>hmm, thats not what i meant
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16:41<PMF>can anyone help me with booting from an encrypted volume?
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16:42<itch>valdyn: ok, now not even "host" does not work ..
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16:42<itch>!ping me
16:42*dpkg tolls a 5-meter-bell over itch's head
16:42<valdyn>itch: whats in /etc/resolv.conf ?
16:42<chealer>!wayttd meoblast001
16:42<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, meoblast001?
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16:43<itch>valdyn: 2 nameserver , one domain and one search
16:43<meoblast001>chealer: i was trying to make a deb of iceweasel for learning purposes.... but i've downgraded to trying to make a deb of pidgin
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16:44<doom_buggy>is there a calculator of sorts that would tell me what space requirements would be for different types of installs?
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16:46<meoblast001>how do i customize the install process? like.. what if i want to add configure flags?
16:46<meoblast001>whewn making ad eb
16:47<azeem>meoblast001: what do configure flags have to with the installer?
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16:47<meoblast001>azeem: sorry... the compile process
16:47<meoblast001>azeem: when making a deb... i'd like to use custom configure flags
16:47<azeem>meoblast001: download the source package, edit debian/rules, rebuild
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16:48<meoblast001>azeem: what if i want to use an updated version of the software?
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16:50<zumbi>meoblast001: did you read the bugreport i pasted ?
16:50<meoblast001>one sec while i read it
16:51<azeem>meoblast001: that's a different question
16:51<zumbi>meoblast001: fine, what you need its in experimental
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16:51<meoblast001>zumbi: ? no.... i'm just expirimenting :P
16:52<meoblast001>i've only made 2 debs in my life and i want to get more familiar with the process
16:52<zumbi>experimental is a debian component, as sid, testing, as so on
16:52<meoblast001>zumbi: i know
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16:52<meoblast001>zumbi: but experimental does describe what i am being
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16:53<zumbi>meoblast001: until now, debian did not support changing CFLAGS on the fly
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16:53<meoblast001>zumbi: well i'm just trying to make debs... i wanted to do that to disable a feature to make it easy on me
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16:54<zumbi>but work in progress, changes are on 'experimental' as that bugreport states :)
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16:55<NSAJEFF>I just installed squirrelmail and configured it. however when I go to it takes me to the squirrelmail directory instead of index.php. What should I do?
16:56<meoblast001>zumbi: well... right now i'm on Ubuntu..... i'm switching to Debian very soon though on my laptop.. as soon as i get my important files off
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17:02<chealer>NSAJEFF: so PHP works, right?
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17:08<azeem>aaron: do you have a debian question?
17:08<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:10<diego>hi there
17:10<diego>I'm trying to make a CD Image
17:11<diego>and in some point, dd says 'dd: reading '/dev/cdrw': Input/output error' and stops
17:11<diego>any hints to skip those errors and do the best possible
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17:25<Kumool>hello, is there a way that one can set an accent in g or h? like ^+g\h ?
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17:25<simonrvn>using your compose key perhaps
17:25<simonrvn>i really dislike ask&leave...
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17:28<NSAJEFF>chealer; yup php works
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17:29<valdyn>dinomite: use ddrescue instead
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17:30<chealer>NSAJEFF: which Debian suite do you use?
17:30<NSAJEFF>What do you mean?
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17:30<chealer>!tell NSAJEFF about suite
17:31<NSAJEFF>Oh, you meant my version; 5.0
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17:32<zumbi>NSAJEFF: probably he was asking if you use stable(lenny), testing(squeeze) or unstable(sid)
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17:32<zumbi>yeap - 5.0 is stable :)
17:34<chealer>NSAJEFF: do other indices, like index.html, work?
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17:34<NSAJEFF>index.html works fine on other sites. But squirrelmail is pointing to instead of
17:35<NSAJEFF>And not loading it automatically
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17:35<NSAJEFF> DirectoryIndex index.php
17:35<NSAJEFF> </IfModule>
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17:38<zxd_>what number gives me this permission drwxr-x--t
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17:39<chealer>NSAJEFF: I'm talking about this site
17:40<NSAJEFF>Yes, my primary domain loads index.html just fine, just not
17:41<chealer>NSAJEFF: what about the domain in question
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17:43<zumbi>zxd_: 1750 ?
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17:48<doom_buggy>are subversion snapshots necessarily more recent than releases?
17:50<doom_buggy>... and where is svn anyway?
17:50<doom_buggy>i'm seeing frontends but no original package
17:50<Pitxyoki>What are you talking about?
17:51<doom_buggy>1) in my repos i dont see 'svn' 2) are subversion packages necessarily more recent than official releases or do they have nothing to do with each other
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17:52<petemc>judd: info subversion
17:52<judd>petemc: subversion (devel): is optional; Version: 1.5.1dfsg1-2; Size: 1239.1k; Installed: 4096k -- Advanced version control system
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17:53<doom_buggy>maybe i'm just looking for the wrong file/package
17:54<dpkg>i guess subversion is a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at read the book:, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. at #svn
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17:55<chealer>doom_buggy: not all snapshots are more recent than all releases, no
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17:58<chealer>NSAJEFF: what is DirectoryIndex set to?
17:59<NSAJEFF>DirectoryIndex index.html
18:00<chealer>NSAJEFF: the value needs to include index.php
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18:00<NSAJEFF>So, I can add DirectoryIndex index.html index.php
18:00<chealer>NSAJEFF: yes. which apache version do you use?
18:01<NSAJEFF>version 2
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18:03<NSAJEFF>fixed it]
18:03<NSAJEFF>just added index.php to the end of DirectoryIndex
18:04<NSAJEFF>Now I need to figure out how to set it so I can just type in and it'll forward me to
18:04<NSAJEFF>I just forget how
18:04*NSAJEFF goes off to read about apache
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18:26<k1lumin4t1>what's the logical sequence of actions through command line to get a hard disk set to store data?
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18:28<weasel>partition, make a filesystem, mount it.
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19:05<kidx13>vlc stiil have bug on lenny ?
19:05<Supaplex>I suppose there's at least one.... did you check bts?
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19:06<kidx13>Supaplex : bts ?
19:06<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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19:07<kidx13>its say still problem with codec (sorry for my bad english, no to good of english language)
19:08<dpkg>well, lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>.
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19:08<Supaplex>kidx13: /msg dpkg paste and show us what you see
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19:10<kidx13>where i write that ? on terminal ?
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19:11<kidx13>for now i use smplayer, but i more like vlc
19:11<djc>!tell kidx13 about paste
19:11<Supaplex>"its say still problem with codec". is the program saying that now? How does it show you? Is it from the terminal? Is it a popup dialog? What's your native language, we might have a better channel
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19:23<MHz128>Hello! Does anyone know of functional method for downloading RTMP streaming video? not from youtube...
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19:25<zxd_>how can i get the list of conffiles from a .deb package
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19:27<meoblast001>why is this error occuring
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19:29<Woet>this happens everytime I use apt-get
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19:31<Jflesch>Woet: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
19:31<Woet>already tried
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19:32<Jflesch>Woet: apt-get install --reinstall locales ?
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19:32<Jflesch>wooch, looks bad
19:32<Woet>I had to update my GLIBC to host L4D (Left 4 Dead) servers, but now it seems locales is totally fucked because of this?
19:32<Jflesch>Woet: debian unstable ?
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19:33<Woet>Jflesch: No, I updated my GLIBC
19:33<Jflesch>Woet: well a *lot* of things depends on the glib
19:33<Jflesch>you're lucky that your system is still working imo
19:33<Woet>well, I merely updated it :/
19:33<Woet>i didn't remove it
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19:34<Jflesch>yep, but this kind of lib is so important that things can get messy pretty quickly :/
19:34<meoblast001>where do i go to find deb-makers?... like... people who make debs regularly
19:34<Woet>well, Left 4 Dead requires the newer GLIBC
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19:34<Jflesch>meoblast001: debian maintainers, I thing it's the correct term
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19:34<Woet>Jflesch: how would I restore my old GLIBC?
19:34<meoblast001>so would it be #debian-maintainers?
19:35<Jflesch>Woet: hm, I'm curious : left4dead runs on Linux ? I mean the game ? not the server ?
19:35<Woet>the server
19:35<Woet>but it requires a newer GLIBC
19:35<Jflesch>Woet: to restore it, well, try apt-get install glibc
19:36<Jflesch>and see what it says
19:36<Woet>Jflesch: no such package
19:36<Woet>and 'libc6' is already updated + upgrades
19:36<Woet>and 'libc6' is already updated + upgraded
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19:37<Jflesch>Woet: apt-get install libglib2.0-0
19:37<Woet>already newest version
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19:37<meoblast001>i'm so confused at what "dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source" means
19:38<Jflesch>Woet: by the way, how did you upgrade ? using a dpkg repository or by manually replacing the glib files ?
19:38<Woet>Jflesch: by installing libc6 and tzdata .deb files
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19:39<Jflesch>Woet: so you updated your libc, not your glib ?
19:39<Woet>Jflesch: correct
19:39<Jflesch>hm, okkk, so it doesn't really explain your error message when you try to fix your locales :/
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19:40<Jflesch>Woet: by the way, debian stable / testing / unstable ?
19:40<digitaloktay>how can i change the language to german in midnight commander?
19:40<Woet>Jflesch: etch, stable
19:40<Jflesch>digitaloktay: by changing your system settings probably
19:41<digitaloktay>Jflesch: my system is in german but mc in english
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19:42<Jflesch>Woet: hm, next time you want to upgrade your libc, I suggest you simply upgrade to testing or unstable :)
19:42<Jflesch>Woet: anyway, I'm not sure to see what could cause your locale problem
19:42<Woet>well, I just want the errors gone
19:42<Woet>possibly suppresed
19:42<Woet>since the server is running fine (with reboots too)
19:43<Jflesch>Woet: do they really bother actually ?
19:43<Woet>it kinda does when installing 10 packages
19:43<Woet>hard to see whether one had an error
19:43<Jflesch>I mean, they are just warnings ?
19:43<Jflesch>hm right
19:43<Woet>yes, and they hide the actual errors I might get
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19:43<Jflesch>Woet: what you can do is simply bypass the locales by doing an export LANG=C before running any program
19:44<Jflesch>(if you want to bypass them all the time, you can add "export LANG=C" to your ~/.bashrc)
19:45<Woet>thank you Jflesch :)
19:45<Woet>too bad it doesn't work
19:45<Woet>the latter solution that is
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19:45<Jflesch>Woet: you mean the export LANG=C or the adding to ~/.bashrc ?
19:46<Jflesch>then also add "source ~/.bashrc" to your ~/.bash_profile :)
19:46<Woet>I don't got a bash_profile
19:46<Woet>I'll add it there :p
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19:46<Jflesch>then create one ? :)
19:46<Woet>that worked, thanks!
19:47<Jflesch>you're welcome
19:47<Jflesch>Woet: but remember it's just a workaround
19:47<Jflesch>you may have other problems
19:47<Woet>didn't have any in 4 months
19:47<Jflesch>well then hopefully you will be fine :)
19:47<Woet>with reboots, running many apps, etc
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20:00<MyWifeIs19>I have sound barely working(only 2 channel) with snd-hda-intel module. For some reason the module is insisting it's "HDA SB ATI" when it should say "HDA VT1708B". How do I fix this?
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20:01<s3a>to boot a lenny INSTALLER from usb, what must I do other than copying the cd1 .iso to my 4gb flash drive?
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20:09<Supaplex>s3a: the install guide should describe how to prepare a usb stick.
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20:10<s3a>Supaplex, if partition editor says my usb device is /dev/sda1 and the guide im following says to do sudo zcat ~/boot.img.gz > /dev/sda will it still work or do i have to do sudo zcat ~/boot.img.gz > /dev/sda1?
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20:11<Supaplex>the boot has its own partition. it'll rewrite it.
20:11<Supaplex>if you have a u3 drive, you can toss the netinst at it with the u3 customizer (needs winblows)
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20:13<djc>to write a bootable iso to a device you need to write it to the whole device, not a partition
20:13<djc>so /dev/sda not sda1
20:13<djc>note that anything previously on there will be lost/erased
20:13<djc>so use a 'blank' one
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20:16<Supaplex>also, iso, and disk images are different. isos are for cd/dvd/etc type media. usb sticks are considered block devices (so use a disk image). u3 just allows a usb stick to present a special section of the flash as a cd/dvd drive with that media in the drive too. it won't be visible from the read/write area. (firmware hides it)
20:16<Supaplex>but, that's excess information. it's not too likely you want to go the u3 custom route.
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20:29<djc>forced streaming video blows chunks
20:29<djc>esp with a flaky net
20:29<djc>would be so much les annoying to let it dl in background then play without hiccups
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20:34<doom_buggy>hi. mplayer just stopped working for me. every time i try to open a media file with it it spits an error dialog at me
20:34<doom_buggy>... anyone know if there is a #mplayer somewhere?
20:35<piero>Hi! I have a 1,1GHZ Pentium III with 256MB 100mhz RAM. Due GNOME is working too slow I'm thinking about change my desktop to XFCE or FluxBox. But, what is the best choice for performance, once all my favorite programs are GTK-dependent? (iceweasel, evolution, etc..) ?
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20:36<amphi>piero: lxde might be worth considering, if you like DEs
20:37*Supaplex lubs openbox all across the board
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20:38*amphi likes xmonad
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20:43<doom_buggy>i was looking for screens of openbox and i stumbled across this
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20:43<Supaplex>ouu. niftyness
20:44<Supaplex>openbox alone is more lean than that. :)
20:44<doom_buggy>i want the calendar and system stats on my system
20:44<doom_buggy>ever seen them before?
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20:45<Supaplex>not before you showed me
20:46<piero>amphi, this is the first time a see xmonad.. sounds like cool!
20:47<amphi>piero: it is, very ;)
20:47<valdyn>doom_buggy: you want gnome-desklets
20:47<doom_buggy>valdyn: is that what those are?
20:47<valdyn>doom_buggy: the weather thing should be from that
20:47<valdyn>doom_buggy: i know that system monitor, cant remember the name atm
20:47<doom_buggy>yeah. i want it
20:48<doom_buggy>dunno if kde will like it though...
20:48<valdyn>doom_buggy: install gdesklets
20:48<zem>valdyn: conky?
20:48<valdyn>zem: maybe
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20:49<zem>if you mean lower left corner
20:49<valdyn>zem: aye
20:49<zem>then it's conky
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20:49<valdyn>alright, thats packaged too
20:50<doom_buggy>just found superkaramba
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20:50<valdyn>conky doesnt seem to work with metacity and composite enabled
20:50<valdyn>doom_buggy: thats something like gdesklets yea
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20:51<valdyn>doom_buggy: that guy is using xfce, so gdesklets at least would suit him better
20:51<zem>i have no idea... works fine for me on gnome...
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20:52<valdyn>zem: yea, no one but me uses metacity with composite ;)
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20:53<zem>desklets, sounds just like something to bloat up my system ^^
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20:53<valdyn>zem: yes
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20:57<dva>hi there! could anyone help me set up wifi pci card driver on amd64?
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20:59<dva>hi there! could anyone help me set up wifi pci card driver on amd64?
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20:59<djc>there are people here who might be able to answer questions if you ask them
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20:59<djc>eg, ask something specific
21:00<Venator>how to unistall tovid (command line)?
21:00<dpkg>rumour has it, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware
21:01<dva>i have pci wifi card with realtek 8185 chipset. i am using Lenny, and can not connect 2 computers with ad-hoc mode. suggestions?
21:01<djc>how are you trying? do you get errors? do they just not show up? what happens when you try?
21:01<Venator>I tray eat, but dont unistall
21:01<Venator>I use ./configure and make install
21:02<djc>in general, you dont want to install from source, use apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic
21:02<dva>iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc produces:>Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
21:02<dva> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Device or resource busy.
21:02<doom_buggy>this looks pretty clean
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21:02<djc>for stuff you compiled and installed by hand, there really isnt an 'uninstall' concept unless it includes itself
21:02<djc>eg, it isnt part of debian
21:02<djc>so debians package management doesnt know anything about it
21:03<doom_buggy>do you still have the source dir? you could try 'make uninstall'
21:03<djc>dva, its possible the card/driver doesnt support ad-hoc
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21:03<dva>great! could i connect 2 pc-s anyhow without accesspoint?
21:03<djc>dva, have you been able to connect to something in infrastructure mode (eg to an access point)
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21:04<amphi_>dva: what card is it?
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21:04<djc>to be honest, if they are in the same room, just run an ethernet cable. if not, then why not just get an AP?
21:05<djc>ad-hoc mode is voodoo
21:05<dva>it is some chinese card. connex with realtek 8185 chipset
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21:06<Supaplex>realtek needs to create a new brand called craptastic for some of these chipsets.
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21:06<dva>no ad-hoc. new ap -> $$ -> :(
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21:09<zem>dva, have you tried ifconfig wlan0 down and then iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc?
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21:10<dva>yes, actually i did, but ->SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not supported, and....
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21:10<zem>i tend to ignore SIOCSIFFLAGS errors :/
21:11<zem>usualy it does what you want it to anyway
21:11<zem>but i don't have any experience with adhoc networking
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21:13<dva>could this help ?dmesg -> Mar 14 18:11:21 darkstar kernel: [24840.915164] wlan0: Trigger new scan to find an IBSS to join
21:13<dva>Mar 14 18:11:26 darkstar kernel: [24845.668024] wlan0: Trigger new scan to find an IBSS to join
21:13<dva>Mar 14 18:11:28 darkstar kernel: [24848.428035] wlan0: Creating new IBSS network, BSSID e6:e5:d5:d9:53:ec
21:13<dva>Mar 14 18:11:28 darkstar kernel: [24848.428051] wlan0: Failed to configure IBSS beacon template
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21:14<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
21:14<simonrvn>don't paste here...
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21:18<dva>i tried ndiswrapper but no help. i used x64 winxp drivers but it hangs kernel
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21:37<Mozart>I have just used the Debian Small Image (150 MB) and installed Debian with gnome.
21:37<Mozart>But now my screen flickers.
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21:37<Mozart>It looks like there is a problem with the graphics driver.
21:38<Mozart>I cannot even choose a higher screen resolution than 8xx * 6xx.
21:38<Mozart>And I have gnome here.
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21:38<Mozart>Can I install kde?
21:39<Mozart>Ok, kde is not that important, but how can I look up the graphics driver?
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21:42<valdyn>Mozart: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to check if proper monitor specs were detcted. if they were not, add a section to /etc/X11/xorg.conf like:
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21:42<Mozart>Thank you.
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21:43<valdyn>Mozart: mind, change my calues to ones fitting your monitor, or you may damage it
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21:53<Mozart>Hm. I am too tired to learn a lot now. :( Thanks anyway!
21:53<Mozart>Good night
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22:10<guilherme>hi, i need to compile a .idl file (COM) how can i do this at linux?? in Windows i'm thinking in use midl
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22:13<djc>what exactly is this file?
22:14<djc>note that this 'three characters tacked onto the end of a filename' is a windows convention which often is meaningless in the *nix world
22:14<guilherme>it is the google earth api
22:14<djc>at least, as a mechanism for identifying the content-type of a file
22:15<djc>no i mean what language or type of file is it
22:15<djc>that url redirects to what looks like a parking page
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22:16<djc>in my experience an api isnt a 'file you download', its a specification for how to talk to a particular type of service
22:17<djc>ok, i see a file like that there.. it appears to be a cpp code
22:18<djc>you'd need to incorporate that into your cpp program that you wanted to use that api in
22:18<guilherme>but in this case, do you know how to use this functions??
22:18<guilherme>but, how can i incorporate this??
22:19<djc>you would include it within *your* program, which you were writing in cpp (C++)
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22:19<djc>What are you trying to do?
22:19<djc>look at the file with 'less'
22:19<djc>its a text file
22:19<djc>C++ code
22:19<djc>it has comments in it
22:19<guilherme>just add #include earth.idl in my code and use the function normaly??
22:20<djc>No idea
22:20<djc>I'm not a C++ programmer
22:20<djc>look at the file, read the comments
22:20<djc>Note C++ not C
22:20<guilherme>ok, thanks
22:20<djc>if you know C++, then I would suspect the coder is understandable to you
22:21<djc>if you don't, then I suspect you wont be able to make any use of it
22:21<enouf>guilherme: ask #c++?
22:21<enouf>is cygwin a possibility?
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22:22<guilherme>ok i will do it, thanks for all
22:22<djc>some of the info at that webpage suggests you need t have the google earth program installed, which I think only exists for windows
22:22<djc>possibly you wont be able to use it anyway
22:22<enouf>(/me loathes even mentioing that term)
22:22<enouf>guilherme: how about in wine?
22:23<enouf>last stop, a VM, or dual boot
22:24<enouf>.com files remind me of dos for some reason
22:24<enouf> comes to mind
22:25<guilherme>i have vista installed here, but the problem is that i've got an error when i try to do this at win, i dont know if it's becouse vista.
22:25<guilherme>the file is .idl i asked in orkut and they said about an language COM
22:26<djc>note that this 'three characters tacked onto the end of a filename' for identifying the type of data in a file is a windows convention which often is meaningless in the *nix world
22:26<djc>its C++ code
22:26<djc>its not "an IDL file"
22:26<tcsetattr> lists 12 different things that call themselves "IDL". not very specific.
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22:27<djc>Just like what you get if you make an HTTP request to port 80 of for "/", what you get is of type "Text/HTML". not "an HTM file"
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22:28<djc>Of course what you get if you open a file that ends in ".DOC" is 'undocumented proprietary gibberish'
22:28<tcsetattr>I think you mean this one though: - which is very deep windoze stuff. and I don't think that stuff is really C++
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22:28<djc>looked like cpp to me
22:28<djc>but that confirms that its some sort of windows-only stuff
22:28<djc>not much use on *nix
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22:29<tcsetattr>"COM IDL is similar in appearance to C/C++ declarations with the addition of keywords such as "interface" and "library" for defining interfaces and collections of classes, respectively."
22:30<djc>well it started out with lots of lines like "cpp_quote( " .... "
22:30<djc>so.. whatever
22:30<djc>in any case, this is #debian
22:30<djc>perhaps you want #windows
22:30<tcsetattr>and remember when being screwed by this aggressively non-portable garbage, the Google motto is Don't be evil. So it must not be. Somehow.
22:31<djc>google earth is one area where whatever entity they bought was was deeply non-portable garbage-entrenched
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22:35<guilherme> what do you think about that?
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22:36<enouf>oh .. the COM / DCOM wintendos weenie crap
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22:37<enouf>ActiveX is based off that, as is ActiveDesktop shit
22:38<NSAJEFF>Anyone have numbers on the average bandwidth a debian mirror can expect to use? I have a HA server I'm considering putting to the purpose
22:38<enouf>see WSH and VisualBasic shit in ##windows related channels
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22:39<enouf>NSAJEFF: there's ways to control bw usage for Apt
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22:39<tcsetattr>uh oh the NSA wants to trojan our packages :)
22:39<NSAJEFF>enouf, I know but I don't want to throttle, want to be prepared
22:39<enouf>do you mean maintaining a mirrror?
22:39<NSAJEFF>tcestattr, too late ;)
22:40<NSAJEFF>I don't have one setup the process
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22:40<enouf>tcsetattr: the NSA is trumped via DHS as of bush/cheney lunacy
22:40<enouf>NSAJEFF: what's the exact question then?
22:41<NSAJEFF>I asked it already
22:41<NSAJEFF>What type of bandwidth can I expect to use on an unthrottled mirror
22:41<enouf>more people that hit your site - more bw usage ... simple
22:41<NSAJEFF>Stupid answer
22:41<NSAJEFF>I'm asking for average numbers
22:41<enouf>NSAJEFF: no, stupid question
22:41<NSAJEFF>Clearly you didn't bother to try and understand it then.
22:42<enouf>welcome to my bozo box - enjoy your stay ;-)
22:42<goodger>do you want to talk to enouf's supervisor?
22:42<tcsetattr>seemed like a simple question to me. I don't know where to find the answer, but it wasn't hard to understand
22:43<enouf>(try not to let all the smelly clown feet smack you in the head too much)
22:43<NSAJEFF>Shove off enouf. You chose to be an ass in answering my question. Typical snide answers from you
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22:43<tcsetattr>it would depend on whether you go in the "primary" mirror list
22:44<NSAJEFF>tcesetattr, what do you figure primary mirrors are dealing with in terms of bandwidth per month?
22:44<NSAJEFF>I was thinking it might reach into the tera's...
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23:01<schmichael>when i hit alt-<some number> in bash waht does that prompt for (arg <some number>) mean?
23:02<schmichael>nevermind :)
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23:54<oodug>Could anyone answer a few questions for a Linux virgin?
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23:56<oodug>Is there anybody out there?
23:56<schmichael>oodug: yep, sometimes we're just slow :)
23:57<oodug>I must admit it's been years since I've touched IRC
23:57<tcsetattr>everyone's just staring at you hoping you'll quit beating around the bush and ask a question, or leave.
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23:57<schmichael>sometimes we're blunt too
23:57<tcsetattr>what's really surprising is how many choose to leave without ever having asked anything. that's no way to get attention.
23:58<schmichael>yeah, lots of people come, ask "hello?", wait 30 seconds, then leave
23:58<oodug>well my question is will I be able to learn linux and set up a system with Debian at the same time, or should I choose a different, more "useable" distro
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23:58<oodug>I have some computer science skills, but I'm just getting into scripting and don't know much about the command line
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23:59<schmichael>oodug: i think you'll find the opinion in here a bit biased ;-) in general debian should be fine
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23:59<schmichael>oodug: distributions like ubuntu make some things a bit easier by using a livecd for an installer by default and having a more friendly package installer than synaptic
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