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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-17

---Logopened Tue Mar 17 00:00:39 2009
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00:00<philsf>where can I find an explanation of the various freeze modes that debian goes during development (feature, version, string, etc)? I can't find in wiki.d.o
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01:11<foxes>error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file。 but, i did install the libgtkspell
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01:16<scientes>can you kexec to the debian installer? or even with the same kernel?
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01:17<foxes>i am not sure, i am trying with : ldconfig -v | grep libgtkspell
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01:20<foxes>ldconfig: 无法对 /usr/lib/ 进行 stat 操作: 没有那个文件或目录
01:20<foxes>i reinstalled that libboost_python,1.34.1 but... still has the problem
01:21<scientes>change dpkg-reconfigure your locales before pasting
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01:34<ml>any emacs user here?
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01:36<snogglethorpe>ml: of course
01:36<ml>snogglethorpe: lol
01:37<ml>snogglethorpe: ok I want to start learning emacs, what do I need to install emacs, emacs-goodies-el?
01:38<ml>or what do you suggest
01:38<snogglethorpe>ml: those sounds like a good idea
01:39<ml>anyhting else I should install?
01:39<snogglethorpe>ml: you probably what emacs22-gtk
01:39<snogglethorpe>dunno if that's the default
01:39<snogglethorpe>ml: not sure; i don't use debian emacs packages usually
01:40<ml>emacs22-gtk that's front end for X?
01:40<snogglethorpe>ml: all emacs can run on a terminal, but the -gtk version also has gtk widgets etc for X
01:41<ml>snogglethorpe: ok will install emacs, emacs-goodies-el, and take a look at the gtk version
01:42<ml>snogglethorpe: going to purge all other editors and lear one :) thxs
01:43<snogglethorpe>ml: welcom
01:43<snogglethorpe>ml: ask further questions on #emacs@freenode, probably
01:43<ml>ok will do
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02:09<Silicium01>How can I tar.gz a mysql dump in one command?
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02:16<jm_>man page for tar explains how to do it
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02:32<UBUNTU>goodger you ip is
02:33<goodger>really? I didn't know!
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02:33<UBUNTU>goodger Glad I told you then
02:34<UBUNTU>is it normal that every time someone posts I see their ip?
02:34<jm_>heh rmadison service is broken
02:34<goodger>no, it's very annoying
02:34<jm_>judd versions claws-mail
02:34<judd>jm_: claws-mail -- lenny: 3.5.0-2.1 squeeze: 3.5.0-2.1 sid: 3.7.1-1
02:34<goodger>you strike me as a ten-year-old who has nothing better to do than annoy people
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02:35<UBUNTU>goodger that hurts! 14, hey now, I came here for help on how to get debian working on my system
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02:35<seanius>Silicium01: if it's just one file (i.e. mysqldump output) you're better off gzip'ing it in once file
02:35<UBUNTU>goodger and I just noticed that everyone's ip pops up
02:35<goodger>yes, well done
02:36<UBUNTU>well is that normal?
02:36<UBUNTU>does everyone see that?
02:36<UBUNTU>what a flawed security ideal
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02:36<goodger>why would it be flawed?
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02:37<UBUNTU>well know I could deathping you
02:37<goodger>I'd like that, do try
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02:37<UBUNTU>now how would you know that is my name
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02:37<goodger>how indeed...
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02:38<UBUNTU>how would you have grasped that from me, I'm not using my usual username
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02:39<jm_>wow, I thought this only happens on fridays when moms allow kids to use their computer for 15 minutes
02:39<goodger>jm_: quite, though I don't remember being this dense four years ago
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02:40<UBUNTU>HEY! is that some kind of insult directed at me
02:40<UBUNTU>no gangbanging!
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02:40<UBUNTU>how did you get my name from me? I would like to know so I could in turn freak people out
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02:41<weweboom>weweboom = ubuntu
02:41<goodger>we realised from the message that said "UBUNTU is now known as weweboom"
02:41<goodger> perkins
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02:42<goodger>...of new jersey, united states
02:42<weweboom>ouch fail
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02:42<goodger>*waves hands mystically*
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02:42<goodger>well, my psychic powers are only approximate
02:42<weweboom>well, still you got my name, how?
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02:43<goodger>psychosis, as I said
02:43<weweboom>is that not a disorder of some kind
02:43<goodger>nope, psychic powers
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02:43<weweboom>so, if your so psychic, what's my middle name
02:44<goodger>I can't tell
02:44<goodger>the inner eye is clouded in that direction
02:44<goodger>however, the clouds are parting in the direction of your location
02:45<goodger>I see... sand... a beach! and it's got a fruit on it... a small round orange fruit
02:45<Torsten_W>i would say, near LA is the location of weweboom
02:45<weweboom>so did I stumble into a chatroom full of mediocre psychics?
02:45<goodger>yeah, looks like it
02:45<weweboom>who all happen to run debian?
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02:46<weweboom>I'm only in here because I got kicked out of ubuntu chatrooms for telling the op to go give it to his poolboy
02:46<simonrvn>weweboom: i guess the channel name isn't obvious enough
02:46<simonrvn>not surprising
02:47<goodger>weweboom: rest assured, you're only still here because we find you mildly amusing in your gross stupidity
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02:48<weweboom>wow, that's unusually cruel, I would guess you got that information from my ip, were it not for that information being partly my name, is it something stupid like my account, although I have none at debain forums
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02:48<weweboom>I take pride in being surprisingly intelligent for my age
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02:49<simonrvn>...and act 4 years younger
02:49<goodger>weweboom: age is not a factor in intelligence. if you were not so unintelligent you'd know that
02:49<weweboom>how do I act four years younger, how would you be able to hypothesise that from the 15 minutes I've been in here
02:49<goodger>you might also know how to spell debian, and that debian doesn't have forums
02:49<weweboom>goodger I am aware of that, as I am much smarter than my mother
02:50<goodger>and that you entered Duncan Perkins as your "real name" when configuring your IRC client
02:50<lili>hey,i am trying to # make world, it errors: missing separator!! what is that mean?? thanks..
02:50<weweboom>yeah I guessed that would be it, But how would you be able to see the information from my IRC client
02:51<simonrvn>lili: wrong channel, try ##freebsd on freenode perhaps...
02:51<goodger>weweboom: well, I also use an IRC client
02:51<lili>simonrvn, i am compile it on debian anyway!!
02:51<simonrvn>that's nice
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02:51<weweboom>and being new at something does not make you stupid, I sudo apt-got xchat half an hour ago, simply because there was an icon for it on cairo-dock
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02:52<goodger>I'm going to work now
02:53<weweboom>Does the newest version of debian have a graphical installer yet? with text installers I am never able to configure my WiFi chip quite right
02:53<weweboom>have fun, It's two in the morning where I am
02:54<philsf>weweboom: there's a graphic installer for some time now
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02:54<weweboom>really? when I downloaded lenny a text installler loaded
02:54<philsf>weweboom: have you read the installation manual?
02:54<weweboom>maybe not lenny, I downloaded it last august
02:54<weweboom>was there graphical installation then?
02:55<philsf>weweboom: yup, it's been some years now
02:55<philsf>not sure since when. maybe since sarge? etch certainly has it
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02:55<weweboom>well, what would you recommend? would I prefer Debian over Ubuntu, which is what I have installed now
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02:56<weweboom>I don't really know the codenames for debian, just ubuntu
02:56<weweboom>why would that be
02:57<jm_>because you seem to have problems reading the manuals etc.
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02:58<philsf>weweboom: what are you talking about?
02:59<weweboom>installing debian instead of ubuntu
02:59<weweboom>jm_ are you a op?
02:59<philsf>weweboom: what about it?
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02:59<weweboom>would I gain anything from it? is debian better than ubuntu in your opinion?
03:00<philsf>it's not that simple
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03:00<weweboom>well then in what areas would I benefit through using debian over ubuntu
03:00<weweboom>and vice versa
03:00<philsf>I use both, for different cases. I wouldn't know how to compare them in the same cases
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03:01<jm_>weweboom: yes
03:01<philsf>I have no problems with either, and have no reason to believe I would if I swapped them, so I don't see the point in your question
03:01<weweboom>well, in your opinion, ehich repository is b
03:01<weweboom>or bigger
03:01<weweboom>or better maintained
03:02<philsf>I don't know, both are big enough for me
03:02<philsf>probably bigger
03:02<weweboom>so, your saying you see no notable difference between the two
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03:03<philsf>ubuntu updates every six months
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03:03<weweboom>how often does debian update?
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03:03<philsf>and it's /somewhat/ easier to install multimedia codecs
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03:04<philsf>other than that, I think every distro is pretty much the same to use. you actually use gnome, or kde, or whatever
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03:04<weweboom>what is Debian's primary Desktop environment?
03:04<philsf>the distro pretty much boils down to defaults and packaging
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03:05<philsf>weweboom: who cares? you can use any one of them, with either ubuntu or debian
03:05<Gloonix>weweboom, you can use either gnome or kde
03:05<weweboom>Well I see what you mean by the same, but I was using Mandriva for a while and the difference is painful, there are differences, mandriva is much morer difficult to use regardless of desktop environment
03:05<Gloonix>though kde4 is in experimental
03:06<weweboom>Gloonix or xfce or openbox or windowmaker or blackbox...
03:06<philsf>weweboom: I pretty much doubt it
03:06<Gloonix>weweboom, and yes those too...
03:06<philsf>weweboom: but I'll bite the bait. what do you mean by 'difficult'?
03:06<Gloonix>i primarily use gnome but will give kde4 a try when it hits testing
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03:07<weweboom>philsf doubt the painful use of Mandriva? I found if hard that Mandriva has completely cut out terminal use, along with a horrible package manager, installing applications is just a pain
03:07<philsf>Gloonix: what kde4 is in experimental? 4.0 or 4.1?
03:07<weweboom>painful as in longer bootup time, tiny repository complete disregard of the terminal
03:08<weweboom>outdated compiz
03:08<weweboom>applications lock up frequently
03:08<Gloonix>philsf, 4.2 see
03:09<philsf>Gloonix: wow, did debian just skip a major kde release series?
03:09<weweboom>I think plasma, along with KDE 4 has a lot of potential, but until all the bugs get smoothed out, I'm sticking with gnome
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03:09<screenn>could anybody tell me how can I remove all depends packages with removed package automatically, like in the aptitude I can
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03:09<jm_>screenn: use aptitude/apt-get
03:10<screenn>sure, I'm using :)
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03:10<screenn>but synaptic looks better for search packages by description for me!
03:10<jm_>aptitude has that too
03:11<Gloonix>philsf, apprently lenny has stuck to kde 3.5 for better
03:11<screenn>and, just tired to type a lot in terminal sometimes
03:11<screenn>aptitude looks good I agree with you sure
03:11<jm_>yeah because there's a difference if you type it in a terminal or in a GUI app, really
03:12<Gloonix>screenn, synaptic does not allow doing that, but you if you wish you can remove 1 by 1 from gui...
03:13<weweboom>there's only like five people actually talking out of the 368 in herer
03:13<screenn>it sounds bad, I no have a time to remove all 1 by 1, and can't remember all depends packages!
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03:13<StarkD>is there a way to minimize gnome terminals to the gnome panel?
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03:14<weweboom> StarkD don't use gnome-terminal use yakuake
03:14<screenn>StarkD did you try use panel applets?
03:15<Gloonix>screenn, yeah I wish sometimes synaptic or apt had a good rollback feature
03:15<screenn>just click right mouse button on panel and set add to panel
03:16<screenn>Gloonix I'm sure in the last version synaptic was removing all depends packages automatically
03:17<screenn>when I'd used the sarge, that did it, seems
03:17<weweboom>ALEXANDER GOLOVIN OF THE UKRAINE! YOUR TIME IS NOW! ha I figured out how to find people's names! last person I guess, a personal victory
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03:19<Gloonix>screenn, first I've heard of cause I use synaptic like everyday...
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03:21<screenn>you know, I think we need to have the good gui tools also, not the only best terminal tools in ours systems
03:21<screenn>synaptic looks like the best gui package manager
03:22<Gloonix>screenn, I used to use Fedora (package hunting/management is an obstacle), Debian has the package management
03:22<jm_>try aptitude-gtk if you dare
03:23<weweboom>really!?! no one's going to ban me?
03:24<StarkD>weweboom: I'll check it out
03:24<weweboom>hey I'm sorry about that, my brother got on, please don't ban me
03:24<Torsten_W>yakuake is an kde-app, it's stupid to suggest such app for gnome
03:25<weweboom>yakuake still works flawlessly in gnome
03:25<weweboom>most kde apps work flawlessly in gnome
03:25<Torsten_W>only, if the kde-core system is installed
03:25<StarkD>screenn: well there is "application launcher" and "run application" is it those you meant?
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03:25<weweboom>just the libraries
03:25<weweboom>not the core system
03:26<Torsten_W>it's stuipid to install those libs in an gnome environment
03:26<Torsten_W>there are alternatives for gtk to
03:27<Torsten_W>tilda, yeahconsole
03:27<weweboom>regardless of if you need the core system or not, it's the best terminal emulator I've ever used
03:27<weweboom>why is it stupid? I use it and I have had no trouble with it
03:28<screenn>StarkD I use window selector
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03:28<weweboom>where does tilda appear, I just installed it, but see nothing
03:28<StarkD>screenn: well yeah ok, but I want to minimize terminals from the window selector to the panel
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03:28<Gloonix>weweboom, there is Guake for Gnome
03:28<Torsten_W>weweboom: read the manual
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03:29<weweboom>I just sudo apt-get installed it, where would the manual be located?
03:29<StarkD>weweboom: how does F12 work for yakuake when I have three temrinals running at the same time?
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03:30<weweboom>you press f12, it pops up, press it again, it goes away, when yakuake is open, press the plus button in bottom left corner to open up new tab
03:30<weweboom>Torsten_W tilda is crap, yakuake much better
03:31<StarkD>weweboom: ok but which one of the terminals pops up?
03:31<screenn>StarkD righ click, unlock elements on panel
03:31<TMcTrain>I think I'm some kind of stupid user
03:31<screenn>and try to bring icon from desktop to panel then
03:31<weweboom>none, it's a terminal emulator all of it;s own, a new terminal pops up
03:32<screenn>StarkD try drug and drop way!
03:32<StarkD>screenn: I can add the launcher to the panel yes, but I want to miminize each running terminal window to the panel
03:33<screenn>window selector?
03:33<StarkD>screenn: I do not want to use the window selector :)
03:33<screenn>you can use screen better :)
03:34<TMcTrain>I have debian lenny installed with active eth0 wich becomes IP adress over DHCP
03:34<weweboom>screenn what about democracy?
03:34<TMcTrain>how can I set this to a fix IP adress?
03:34<screenn>you just need to minimize just one terminal, and minimize all others in that by screen :)
03:36<StarkD>screenn: I used to use screen like that. now I have different colors for the terminals which isn't possible using screen
03:36<jm_>TMcTrain: edit /etc/network/interfaces, or tell your DHCP server to give you a fixed address
03:38<weweboom>screenn what about democracy?
03:39<StarkD>heh? democracyplayer?
03:39<screenn>StarkD I'm sure, the way to solve your problem exists
03:40<StarkD>screenn: yep, I just have to find it :)
03:41<weweboom>TMcTrain try ubuntu forums two os's are close enough alike to share issues such as that, the forums are more expanse than debians anywa
03:41<screenn>sometimes better to find something by yourself than ask somebody who doesn't know solution both with you :)
03:44<weweboom>well I'm out, chances are, I will never speak to any of you ever again, in which case, I bid that any challenges you may take will be fruitful, and that your life may be marry, hopefully you will wish the same upon me
03:46<TMcTrain>fix adress over DHCP server doesn't work, either the Router is crap or udev does its part
03:46<StarkD>weweboom: take care
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03:46<weweboom>and to you, good day
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03:47<jm_>why would udev have anything to do with it?
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03:50<TMcTrain>i don't know what udev does, but wenn i take my hdd from one mainboard to an other everything works except the network, removing an udev rule and reboot, everything workes fine again
03:51<jm_>that's because it renames your NIC, not because of IP-s
03:51<jm_>i.e. it becomes eth1, and then possibly eth2 etc.
03:52<TMcTrain>so the thought is close that udev may interfere with the DHCP too
03:52<TMcTrain>ok thanks
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03:52<jm_>that rule is shit - it should simply not do anything on systems with a single NIC
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05:00<debianeo>j'accède à un partage réseau depuislequel je peux lire des images mais pas de documents pdf ou bureautique (doc). j'ai samba d'installé..
05:00<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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05:25<Guest433>is any one here
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05:27<debam>hi to all i am getting printer error as Session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE No ticket cache found for userid=0
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05:28<Ikarus>Is there still something like gksu, but then without indirectly depending on half of GNOME
05:28<Ikarus>just a graphical su I can launch from a menu, it's all I need
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05:40<frank>Ikarus: sux
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05:40<debam>hi to all ,why this Error is coming for cups printer cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found!
05:40<debam>what it means?
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05:52<urbinek>Where i can find which line in MBMON shows which temp ?
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05:54<jm_>urbinek: traditionally termistor is for MB, sensor is for CPU
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05:55<urbinek>i know, but on ubuntu lm-sensors need reboot etc etc, and i'm remotly on live cd
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05:56<petern>lm-sensors does not need a reboot, and this is not #ubuntu
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05:58<urbinek>petern: in 8.04 is needed and i'm asking about mbmon which is on debian also :P
05:58<petern>it's probably in lots of distros
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05:59<jm_>so basically you know but you're still asking the question, I can see the logic in that
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06:01<urbinek>jm_: i cant use sensor so i must use mbmon, but mbmon shows me "TEMP0 : 28.0" -> mother board "TEMP1 : 47.5" -> cpu "TEMP2 : 74.0" -> ?_?
06:01<urbinek>i must know what is temp2
06:02<urbinek>petern: ok, problem just for you Where i can find in debian which line in MBMON shows which temp ? k ?
06:02<jm_>urbinek: it has mbmon but no sensors command?
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06:03<urbinek>i've run sensors-detect, a lot of stuff come out and still doesn't work
06:03<urbinek>when i've used ubuntu as desktop reboot was needed
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06:04<urbinek>there is sensors command but it doesnt work
06:04<jm_>dunno, for me mbmon only shows one temperature
06:04<jm_>run it in debug mode I guess
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06:05<urbinek>sensors ?
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06:06<urbinek>sensors -> Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need. Try sensors-detect to find out which these are.
06:06<jm_>no, mbmon
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06:07<enouf>(branched off of lm-sensors, for lenny and up?)
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06:07<jm_>wow, its debug mode is useless, doesn't even print temperatures with it
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06:08<urbinek>jm_: in yup
06:09<urbinek>enouf: how to use it ?
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06:10<petern>No Hardware Monitor found!!
06:10<petern>never mind :p
06:10<enouf>urbinek: well, i used it to check my RAM specs, /msg dpkg myram
06:11<urbinek>hehe np :P
06:11<jm_>urbinek: what kind of cpu is it?
06:11<urbinek>amd athlon 200+
06:12<jm_>ahh ok, doesn't have core sensor then
06:12<urbinek>jm_: i just need to know what is TEMP2 in mbmon
06:14<jm_>urbinek: I have no idea, it only prints one for me so I can't correlate it
06:14<jm_>but 47 is probably system and 28 CPU
06:14<urbinek>jm_: you should have at least 2 i think, motherboard and cpu
06:14<urbinek>no, system is 28 and cpu 47
06:15<jm_>urbinek: I should have 3 actually, but mbmon is not very good
06:15<urbinek>i know it fos sure
06:15<jm_>so why are you asking for fucks sake?
06:15*jm_ slams head on desk
06:15<urbinek>what is 73
06:15<jm_>it's bogus value
06:15<urbinek>ok, problem solved, chill out
06:17<jm_>rather unusual to have system temp only 28 with cpu 47
06:17<jm_>then again, 47 is close to what I had with xp 1700 and power saving trick
06:18<enouf>(was just confirming most cpu temps would be higher than mainboard temps ...unless you're talking specific MB / or Video card's Chips)
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06:19<urbinek>i have alweys higher cpu temp than system temp
06:19<urbinek>on evry mother board and cpu
06:19<urbinek> always* ~_~
06:19<jm_>I don't - even k8temp shows only 24
06:20<jm_>and motherboard CPU sensor is also lower than system temp.
06:21<urbinek>maybe better cooling
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06:55<j0nr>hi all. Not sure if this is the right place to ask but... I am trying to use Xebian on an old xbox... when running apt-get update, the repository '' cannot resolve. Any ideas why?
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06:56<jm_>non-us has stopped existing years ago
06:56<jm_>simply remove it
06:56<j0nr>but what can i use instead?
06:56<j0nr>otherwise there are no repositories
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06:59<dpkg>xebian is probably a GNU/Linux distribution - based on Debian Sarge - for the Xbox: #xbox-linux @ See also <based on Debian>.
07:00<jm_>nonus has been removed what in 2005?
07:00<petern>sarge? hah
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07:00<j0nr>the xbox-linux channel is very infrequently active. The wiki doesn't seem to yield an answer
07:00<enouf>learn something new everyday .... got a distro for a google android phone too? :-P
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07:01<jm_>debian runs on android ;)
07:01<enouf>jm_: are those CPUs that are less temp than mainboard being governed/cpufreqd/powernow ?
07:02<jm_>enouf: yes ;)
07:02<enouf>jm_: heh - someone was asking over on freeenode
07:02<jm_>good spot, I totally disregarded that fact
07:02<enouf>jm_: ahh ...
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07:03<jm_>I became so used to having that - but I really want to know why Intel implemented it so much better in e5xx CPU-s compared to E8xx
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07:03<enouf>israel vs china?
07:04*enouf runs
07:04<enouf>really ... bad joke - no idea at all .. i dont even know current cpus well
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07:05<jm_>hmm but they use the same core
07:06<jm_>ahh no, it's not the same, that explains it
07:07<enouf>jm_: ISTR even something such as stepping could have quite huge fixes to previous errata ...
07:08<enouf>atleast in amd64 venice/sandeiego s939 :-P
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07:08<jm_>enouf: yup
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07:16<rrr69>hi !! i'm frensh but on the frensh channel they don't help me. I'have a problem, when i install a sid , my network dhcp was not detect but i'm sur they work. i install a minimal install after the install i type lspci to now how modul i will load but lspci don't work. i juste have the cd how to install lspci furthermore apt-get install pciutils dont work
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07:22<jm_>rrr69: why do you need lspci?
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07:26<rrr69>jm_, to now how module i will load
07:27<jm_>rrr69: you don't need to know that - it would be loaded automatically if your NIC is supported
07:28<enouf>rrr69: to 'know' .. not 'now' (just trying to help clarify for you - no offense)
07:29<jm_>anyway, netinst CD should have lspci if you change to tty2 and you can get the info there
07:29<enouf>rrr69: see if any info you can follow from here can help
07:29<enouf>rrr69: i'm presuming WiFi
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07:31<enouf>rrr69: you can google for you pciid? i mean; even boot another OS or livecd or Make/Model of your computer
07:31<rrr69>whan i type if config eth1 .... 192.168....... I have error no peripherique to this type
07:31<enouf>s/for you/for your pciid
07:32<enouf>rrr69: prefix each command with LANG=C for english output - but that message is clear enough
07:32<rrr69>all simply enouf thanks i don't have think to that
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07:32<enouf>it would be ifup or ifconfig
07:33<enouf>rrr69: ls /sys/class/net ; /sbin/ifconfig -a
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07:34*enouf needs to go afk for a while now ... bye
07:34<rrr69>see you thanks !!
07:35<enouf>welcome rrr69
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07:36<rrr69>the frensh chanel are not nice
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07:37<j0nr>has something replaced
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07:42<jm_>j0nr: it has been moved to main ...
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07:54<j0nr>jm_: so would i replace 'deb stable/non-US main contrib non-free
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07:54<j0nr>or rather..._what_ would I repllace it with?
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07:56<panthera>you drop it completely. there's no non-us anymore.
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08:00<jm_>j0nr: no, you would delete that line entirely
08:00<jm_>or comment it out
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08:09<aleja-debianita>I'm getting this error when running nm-applet on testing as a normal user
08:10<aleja-debianita>I'm on the group netdev.
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08:22<debam>hi to all,i am getting error as Session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
08:22<debam>for network printing
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08:36<j0nr>jm_: but theres only thesae lines in total:
08:36<j0nr>deb stable main contrib non-free
08:36<j0nr>deb stable/non-US main contrib non-free
08:36<j0nr>deb-src stable/non-US main contrib non-free
08:36<j0nr>deb stable/updates main contrib non-free
08:36<j0nr>deb-src stable/updates main contrib non-free
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08:37<petern>what's hard about "remove non-us"? :)
08:38<j0nr>petern: i think i am misunderstanding sorry. I will be left with stable main contrib and security only
08:38<j0nr>thats ok?
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08:39<OdyX>non-US disappeared in etch already AFAIK
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08:40<themill>dpkg: tell j0nr about stable sources.list
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08:43<craigevil>non-us was deprecated when sarge was released
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08:44<jm_>indeed,in 2005
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08:58<j0nr>hmm i just think this xebian install is just dodgey...cant get it to upgrade... just keeps getting unmet dependancies, which apt-get -f install cannot fix due to missing apt-listchanges error not being there or something
08:58<j0nr>can't install anything
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08:59<dr|z3d>j0nr: Try a dselect update first, perhaps.
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08:59<dr|z3d>As annoying as apt related errors are, they're usually fairly easy to fix.
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09:00<stephan>Hello, how can I deny certain users the Internet on debian??
09:00<dr|z3d>stephan: Short answer.. iptables.
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09:01<themill>j0nr: given that xebian != debian, are you sure it should work with the sources.list that you have?
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09:03<jm_>j0nr: your problem is most likely that xebian is oudated to hell
09:04<enouf>j0nr: try dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges for the heck of it
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09:04<enouf>j0nr: or .. uninstall it
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09:05<Cadmium01>How do you force the process/connection to die when you close terminal (gnome-terminal)
09:06<pinglin>hi. where can I find some help in bash scripting (I mean chats)?
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09:09<stephan_>Did I miss anything when I was offline?
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09:10<adb>pinglin: try #bash on oftc or better on freenode
09:12<pinglin>thanks. I'm already there :)
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09:32<beer>is there a reson for kdenlive not to be part of Debian?
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09:34<themill>it's on dmm, it will probably be an encoding patent issue.
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09:35<sylar>anyone knows - I copied /boot to a raid1 on /dev/md1 and I tried to boot it but I get nothing, why?
09:35<themill>beer: It's also in the NEW queue now, so it may well make it into debian
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09:36<beer>sounds nice
09:36<beer>looks like a lot of nice things are begining to migrate to testing
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09:38<sylar>It is a bootable partition
09:38<sylar>do I need to do anything to the partition to make it boot execpt have the /boot on it, and make it bootable in cfdisk?
09:39<koollman>sylar: run grub-install /dev/thepartition
09:39<koollman>(assuming you use grub)
09:40<koollman>actually, not the partition. the disk
09:40<sylarr>koollman, ie grub-install /dev/md1 ?
09:40<koollman>more like grub-install /dev/sdX
09:40<koollman>on each components of your raid
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09:41<sylarr>would it not hurt any of the partitions?
09:41<koollman>it makes the disks bootable with the grub bootloader
09:41<koollman>it could hurt if there's another bootloader that should be kept
09:42<koollman>and it doesn't touch partitions
09:42<sylarr>tried, now reboot
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09:44<sylar>koollman, got error 17
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09:44<sylar>GRUB Loading stage1.5. GRUB loading , please wait... Error 17
09:45<sylar>but I take it as an advancement
09:45<sylar>at least I get to boot
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09:50<j0nr>#i think this xebian is over my head to fix
09:51<j0nr>apt-listchanges is broken
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10:01<aceuser>i have a desktop pc and tablet pc. i want to use the connect these two and get a unified desktop where I can draw on the table with the stylus, enter text with the keyboard from the pc, preferably move the cursor with the mouse connected to the pc. any idea if there is an easy way to do this?
10:01<aceuser>should i try x2x?
10:02<jm_>or perhaps synergy
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10:04<Henry_Bean>Hi, is anybody experiencing problems with canvas refreshing under gnome in sid (using compiz and metacity compositing)?
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10:08<sylar>anyone know about error 17 in grub?
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10:09<avu>sylar, what does the grub manual say about it?
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10:09<aceuser>jm_, synergy looks interesting, but i want the a single big desktop. for example, i would like to be able to run gimp and maximize the canvas on tablet, while keeping the dialogs on the monitor attached to the PC. mouse should be able to jump from pc to tablet (as synergy does, apparently). stylus input will, of course, be detected only on the tablet...
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10:11<aceuser>the idea is to unclutter the tablet and be able to use a keyboard and mouse while it is in tablet mode
10:11<aceuser>jm_, of course, i can attach an usb keyboard/mouse to the tablet, but this solves only one problem
10:11<pabs>is there any way for PS1 to set/change environment variables in the shell? I'd like to set/unset a variable based on which directory I'm in
10:12<valdyn>aceuser: thats not going to work, and it would yield shitty performance anyway
10:12<avu>pabs, you can use the preexec or precmd function to do that
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10:12<zem_>sylar: try this topic:
10:13<aceuser>valdyn, any reason why it would not work a/o have shitty perf?
10:13<avu>zem_, sigh. let him just look it up in the grub manual. it's in there, with a clear description
10:13<valdyn>aceuser: networks are slow
10:13<valdyn>aceuser: networks are orders of magnitudes slower than operations on a single gfx card
10:14<aceuser>valdyn, i'm on a local net
10:14<valdyn>aceuser: sure, i know
10:14<pabs>avu: hmm, not documented in the bash manual page, do you have an example of how it would work?
10:14<aceuser>valdyn, all i want is for the toolboxes to be on the remote desktop
10:14<aceuser>valdyn, and the keyboard and mouse input
10:15<valdyn>aceuser: you can use xdmx
10:15<avu>pabs, ah, right, this is #debian so you're likely to use bash, which doesn't support this by default :)
10:16<avu>pabs, it's possible to fake though IIRC
10:16<jm_>pabs: search for PROMPT_COMMAND
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10:16<avu>ah, there you go
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10:17<aceuser>valdyn, xmdx looks interesting. thanx :)
10:17<aceuser>valdyn, have you used it?
10:17<valdyn>aceuser: no
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10:18<aceuser>valdyn, jm_ back to work. thanx for the input.
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10:21<pabs>jm_: hmmm, unfortunately it doesn't seem to have the desired effect. I set PROMPT_COMMAND="export FOO=$PWD" but changing directories doesn't modify the variable
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10:22<jm_>pabs: yes, you need to work on understanding shell expansion
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10:24<sylar>avu: 17 : Cannot mount selected partition
10:24<sylar> This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
10:24<Cadmium01>I have a DNS related question, is there a IRC server/channel for this anywhere?
10:25<pabs>jm_: aha, got it working, thanks
10:25<avu>sylar, yes, I know what it says.. :)
10:25<jm_>pabs: np
10:25<avu>sylar, the point was to get you to read it so you can act on what it says :)
10:25<sylar>avu, o, it took me an hour to find that...
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10:26<sylar>avu, now which partition does it mean? the one that grub is on?
10:26<avu>sylar, what the schnitzel. google for 'grub manual' -> first hit -> search for 'error'
10:26<sylar>avu, or partitions that are mentioned in grub?
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10:27<avu>sylar, probably the one you're trying to load the kernel from, depending on what stage the error belongs to. do you get as far as a grub-shell?
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10:27<sylar>avu, no grub shell
10:27<avu>sylar, s/the kernel/the grub config/
10:27<avu>sylar, change the root directive in your menu.lst to point to the right partition then I guess
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10:28<urkitarke>buenas tardes..
10:29<urkitarke>jeje, mola
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10:29<urkitarke>nos veremos...
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10:30<sylar>avu, you mean "root (hd0,0)" ?
10:30<sylar>avu, that should be fine
10:30<avu>sylar, well, start a grup shell from the running system and use grub's tab completion to make sure of that
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10:31<sylar>avu, how to start grub shell? do I chroot to the the boot disk? and ?
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10:32<Cadmium01>I have a VPS server and pointed to it's nameservers. They created a reverse DNS entry for my IP. Now I want to use other nameservers (from other provider) and point DNS records to their IPs. Will the RDNS entry stay untouched?
10:33<avu>sylar, just 'grub' in the system you want grub to be configured from
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10:38<sylar>avu, but I am not able to boot that system
10:39<sylar>avu, I am booting to another linux on the same computer
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10:40<avu>sylar, that makes it a little bit more complicated at best
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10:40<avu>sylar, either grub takes a --root-directory option as grub-install does or you need to set up a proper chroot environment
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11:00<D6>Hi guys. It seems that tar/gzip don't work well with --rsyncable option, or I don't understand something... Steps to reproduce: . Resulting two archives are _different_ and not rsyncable between each other.
11:00<D6>Using Debian Lenny...
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11:04<valdyn>D6: are you overwriting the data when you unpack?
11:05<D6>valdyn: no, of course. I'm trying to create rsyncable archive of debootstrapped Debian Lenny.
11:05<valdyn>D6: looks like you are overwriting the data that you are going to backup later
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11:06<D6>valdyn: hmm, but how is it possible?
11:07<valdyn>D6: how is what possible?
11:07<valdyn>D6: that tar zxf overwrites?
11:07<djc>wtf is "debootstrapped" ?
11:07<D6>valdyn: that I'm overwriting something
11:07<D6>djc: man debootstrap
11:07<valdyn>D6: tar x does overwrite
11:07<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>: . It is key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <i-g>.
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11:07<djc>D6, no manpage
11:08<D6>valdyn: As you can I see, I _removed_ old directory
11:08<D6>valdyn: look at the link I posted
11:08<valdyn>D6: oh, even more obvious
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11:10<djc>onbe think I can tell you the "f" option of tar needs to be last
11:10<djc>tar -zcf filename.tar.gz
11:10<valdyn>D6: you should compare timestamps at least
11:10<valdyn>D6: probably permissions too
11:11<djc>the filename.tar.gz needs to be right after the -f
11:11<djc>since thats what the -f is specifying
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11:11<djc>or tar -zc -f filename.tar
11:11<D6>valdyn: Even more - if I create two tar archives from the same "rootfs-lenny" directory, but with different names, md5sum says that they are different
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11:12<D6>with tar cf rootfs-lenny.tar1 rootfs-lenny
11:12<D6>tar cf rootfs-lenny.tar2 rootfs-lenny
11:12<valdyn>D6: cmp them
11:12<valdyn>D6: im lazy to read the manpage now if naming is included in the sum
11:12<djc>I beleive gzip sometimes stores the name of the file its compressing as its compressing
11:13<djc>so as to be able to give the file the same name again when decompressing
11:13<D6>"Binary files rootfs-lenny.tar1 and rootfs-lenny.tar2 differ"
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11:13<djc>try tarring without gzipping
11:13<D6>djc: yes, it does. But -n option doesn't help
11:13<djc>just tar -cf filename.tar directory
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11:14<Gathond>or tar might save the time it created the archice in it
11:15<djc>I just made two tars of the same folder (no gzip), and the md5sum is identical
11:15<djc>ah but two tar.gz have differing md5s
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11:16<djc>yes gzip stores the name of the file its compressing in the .gz file
11:16<djc>becuase you can do gunzip --list to see it
11:17<D6>tar files have identical size but different md5
11:17<djc>so if you tar -zcf file1.tar.gz and tar -zcf file2.tar.gz the first will havefile1.tar as the name and the second file2.tar
11:17<berto>djc: the name is not stored in the file
11:17<berto>djc: it's the name of the file minus the .gz extension
11:17<djc>lemme see the command you used to make those tars
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11:18<djc>berto, heh.. so it is.. just tried renaming to see.
11:18<D6>djc: look at the two links I posted. I used the same name in both .tar.gz archives
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11:18<djc>D6, I mean the commands you used to *make* the tarfiles
11:18<djc>try this exactly:
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11:19<djc>tar -cf file1.tar rootfs-lenny
11:19<djc>tar -cf file2.tar rootfs-lenny
11:19<djc>ld md5sum file*.tar
11:19<djc>then md5sum file*.tar
11:19<D6>djc: I did it
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11:19<djc>if those md5sum are different.. then... uhm... weirdness
11:20<berto>djc: unless tar stores the date
11:20<djc>berto, it didnt on mine..
11:20<berto>I don't know if it does
11:20<djc>i did two tars, got identical files
11:20<berto>but that might be an explanation
11:20<berto>or the atime of the files
11:20<djc>is anything like /proc mountes within lenny-rootfs ?
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11:21<D6>if tar saves timestamp just in one place, it's ok and the archive should be rsyncable anyway
11:21<djc>to be honest if you are trying to rsync something, id suggest putting it there with rsync in the first place
11:21<D6>djc: no, no proc or sysfs mounts. But it contains /dev with special device files
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11:23<D6>hmm, now md5sums are identical
11:24<D6>don't understand anything
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11:31<D6>djc: oh no, wrong algorithm. Should be: TAR directory, REMOVE directory, UNTAR archive, and finally TAR the directory again into another archive. Then compare two archives. They will be different.
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11:32<koollman>D6: they could be different for many reasons. while containing exactly the same data.
11:32<koollman>file order comes to mind
11:32<D6>is it possible to create rsyncable archives?
11:33<ranix>D6: I cannot reproduce your problem
11:33<ranix>I mkdir foobat
11:33<ranix>touch foobat/harbl
11:33<ranix>tar -cvf tar.tar foobat/
11:33<ranix>rm -r foobat
11:33<ranix>unp tar.tar
11:33<ranix>tar -cvf tar2.tar foobat/
11:33<ranix>diff tar.tar tar2.tar
11:33<ranix>no output
11:34<koollman>D6: I'm not sure. perhaps a specific tar, or a gnu tar option. I never thought about it, but it would make sense
11:34<D6>ranix: one file is not enough I think. Try to reproduce with huge number of files with different timestamps (your / ?)
11:34<vermelhua>hi there... one personalisation question... How to change the Desktop name? Speacilly in the location bar!
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11:35<koollman>D6: why aren't you using rsync on the directory directly ?
11:35<D6>ranix: My archive contains 30k files
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11:35<D6>koollman: it is about ~ Gb
11:35<D6>1 Gb
11:35<ranix>D6: tar on / is a little dangerous
11:35<koollman>D6: so ?
11:35<ranix>are you actually tarring /?
11:35<D6>ranix: ah, yes.
11:35<ranix>I mean, there are simlinks and hardlinks that could confuse tar
11:35<D6>koollman: it will take two days to rsync this
11:36<koollman>D6: it would take about as much as the archive
11:36<D6>ranix: tar understands symlinks
11:36<ranix>tar is not filesystem-aware is it?
11:36<koollman>ranix: it is
11:36<ranix>ah nevermind me, then, you seem to know more about it
11:36<koollman>tar was created for posix fs
11:36<D6>koollman: but I can rsync gzipped archive for 5 hours, it is much faster :)
11:36<D6>than two days
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11:37<koollman>D6: you can rsync, and ask rsync to compress
11:37<koollman>and it would be better than tar/rsync, the second time
11:37<koollman>(also, two days for 1 gb ... my, my. I lost all sense of proportions :) )
11:38<D6>koollman: not all peaple have 8 Mbit channels ;)
11:38<koollman>well, I wouldn't upload at 8Mbit/s
11:38<koollman>but ... 1, at least, yes.
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11:39<koollman>D6: actually ... idea : use cpio
11:40<koollman>the file order is predictible. so, rsync would work a bit better
11:40<koollman>and do not compress, let rsync do the compression
11:40<koollman>(that is, add -z to rsync)
11:41<koollman>external compression reduces rsync effectiveness
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11:46<D6>koollman: thanks for suggestion, I'll look at this
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11:59<vincenzo>ciao, di che si parla?
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12:02<brblack_>hello peoples
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12:15<D6>koollman: Ok, I did the same steps but with cpio: Result is the same - two archives are different :(
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12:36<bloony>anyone know why the videos I record in cheese is speedy?
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12:41<gcs>Hi, I have Lenny on x64 arch.
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12:41<gcs>Own compiled kernel, USB keys work fine. But I got an USB harddrive, which is not detected.
12:41<gcs>What may I miss?
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12:43<Pitxyoki>What happened when you tried with the kernel shipped with Debian?
12:44<gcs>Previously it was too old to recognise my sATA chipset.
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12:45<gcs>Any idea, what can go wrong? Is USB keys and USB harddrives differs from the kernel point of view?
12:46<mprice>what file system is your USB Hard Drive?
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12:47<djc>gcs, no, they both just look like block devices
12:47<djc>gcs, does fdisk on the usb harddrive show any partitions?
12:47<djc>fdisk -p will just safely 'print' whats there
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12:48<djc>fdisk -l /dev/theusbharddrive
12:49<Curan>hello out there, dows anyone, by chance, have a Level1 GNS-4000 NAS device? And if so, know what is inside and whether it will run under Debian?
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12:54<gcs>djc: The USB harddrive is _not_ recognised/detected. Thus no /dev/anything.
12:55<gcs>Nothing in dmesg .
12:55<gcs>USB pendrives do work.
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12:57<mprice>have you tried mounting it yourself?
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12:58<Gathond>gcs: are you sure the drive is on? I've seen some USB harddrive enclosures with either dual USB cables or external power supplies, as they may not be able to operate on the 500mA, 5V supply from one USB port
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12:59<gcs>mprice: This question is aimed to me? What I try to express that there is _no_ device detected. I have nothing under /dev that may be the disk and nothing in dmesg when I plug it in.
13:00<Gathond>I have however seen laptops capable of supplying in excess of the 500mA requirement
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13:00<Gathond>so the milage may vary depending on the exact USB host capability
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13:00<gcs>Gathond: It has only one connector. I plug the cable in, and I hear something like spin up. Also a red and a blue led start to light.
13:01<gcs>Gathond: So it has power.
13:01<Gathond>sounds like it should run yeah
13:01<mprice>pastebin the output of fdisk -l
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13:02<mprice>have you used this USB hard drive on any other computers?
13:03<gcs>It is not mine. I got it from a friend of mine to copy some stuff on it.
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13:03<gcs>He uses winxp.
13:04<mprice>if he didn't unmount it correctly in XP there is what the problem is
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13:05<gcs>mprice: Even if he wouldn't done that, the device should be detected.
13:06<mprice>not necessarily
13:06<Gathond>doubtful, as the device should register in dmesg and on the USB bus regardless of hte status of the filesystem
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13:06<gcs>mprice: The partition may be dirty then, yes. But the device should be visible.
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13:08<gcs>OK, soon I will reboot with stock Debian kernel.
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13:08<gcs>No idea what the problem is. :-(
13:10<Gathond>so you have build your own kernel?
13:10<Gathond>have you included USB storage support?
13:10<mprice>his usb key works just fine
13:11<Gathond>I would think a harddisk and a USB key would be the same here though
13:11<gcs>Gathond: Yes, it is my own rolled kernel. USB pendrives work as expected.
13:11<gcs>Checked, I have usbstorage and sd_mod compiled in.
13:11<Gathond>of cause there is the chance this thing just don't adhere to the specs
13:12<Gathond>and winXP is just more lenient or perhaps the device comes with a windows driver
13:12<mprice>do you have the ntfs module in your kernel?
13:12<gcs>No, I use ntfs-3g.
13:13<gcs>That doesn't need ntfs module.
13:13<Gathond>not really relevant if the block device is not detected though
13:14<gcs>Yup, seems mprice doesn't understand that the device itself is missing. So there's no partition, there's no filesystem until it is detected.
13:14<mprice>i understand I'm not stupid
13:15<mprice>i have had the same problem before
13:15<Gathond>is it also missing if you look in /proc/usb?
13:15<gcs>OK, sorry. No offense, you just ask thing related to the partition itself. Like ntfs module support.
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13:15<gcs>Gathond: /proc/bus/usb ? Yes, it is missing.
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13:16<Gathond>gcs: yeah, sounds right, I partly guessed the path:)
13:16<Gathond>gcs: unfortunately I don't really think I can help you troubleshoot it at that level
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13:18<gcs>Gathond: As I see, my only option is to reboot with Debian stock kernel and hope it will be detected. Then do an lsmod and check which one may be the one and only. :-)
13:18<mprice>if your usb key is working then its something to do with the usb hard drive then
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13:19<gcs>mprice: Can be. :-| Thanks for trying to help anyway.
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13:19<Gathond>might work yeah, although to my knowledge usb-storage should be usb-storage
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13:19<Gathond>but my main knowledge of USB is that I think it sucks bollocks
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13:20<gcs>Gathond: Have you heard USB3 specs?
13:21<gcs>Well, off to reboot.
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13:21<ranix>there's nothing wrong with usb
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13:21<ranix>it is for what it is for
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13:24<no-video>hey guys, i have installed compiz fusion, but now when i restart my computer, GUI of Debina dont start
13:24<no-video>it becomes a black screen. so i want to remove compiz and return using metacity, that is istalled
13:25<no-video>but i dont know how to enter on text-mode to remove compiz. what can i do?
13:25<mprice>reboot into recovery mode, no-video
13:25<dpkg>somebody said single was <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care)
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13:26<mprice>it shoudl be the second kernel option in grub
13:26<no-video>well, i dont have the single opition on my boot menu
13:26<Supaplex>you have to add it to the kernel command line then. do you use grub? lilo? some other boot loader? what platform?
13:28<Supaplex>title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-6-vserver-amd64 (single-user mode)
13:28<Supaplex>nm platform. if you have grub, pick the menu item with (single-user mode) in it.
13:28<fxiny>still 2.6.18-vserver ?
13:28<Supaplex>failing that, type e to edit before
13:28<fxiny>i upgraded to lenny porbs my vservers
13:28<Supaplex>fxiny: haven't upgraded this box yet. I just finished backups last night.
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13:29<fxiny>Supaplex: it works *fine *:))
13:29<no-video>on boot screen, click e button?
13:29<Supaplex>fxiny: I still have the hand rolled deb I made from cvs, so I'll reinstall that if I have issues.
13:29<fxiny>just a missing context
13:29<Supaplex>no-video: do you have a keybaord?
13:29<fxiny>Supaplex: mine was bpo mixed but aptitude upgraded it
13:30<no-video>yess, but i dont have a single-mode opition on my boot screen
13:30<mprice>what do you have listed, no-video?
13:30<sylar>anyone knows about grub on raid1 /dev/md1 ?
13:30<Supaplex>11:30 < Supaplex> failing that, type e to edit before
13:30<no-video>Debian-5.0 Windows-vista
13:30<sylar>I do grub; root (hd0,0) ; and get Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82
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13:31<mprice>thats exactly what it says, no-video?
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13:31<fxiny>Supaplex: hand rolled deb ?
13:31<Supaplex>fxiny: yup
13:31<mprice>I don't think you can do grub in raid
13:31<fxiny>Supaplex: better then my tarball !
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13:32<mosty>grub works with raid
13:32<Supaplex>fxiny: uupdate ftw :)
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13:32<mprice>it has to be a seperate boot partition
13:32<mprice>it does?
13:32<mosty>i use grub on raid1, works fine
13:32<mprice>what about raid0?
13:32<Supaplex>what about raid on mars? what about raid in my cookie dough?
13:32<mosty>what fool would use raid0 on their boot partition?
13:33<mprice>that's not what I am asking, mosty?
13:34<mosty>i've never tried booting from a raid0 partition, so i can't say
13:34<fxiny>tell mars spiders to raid 0 :P
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13:37<ranix>you can't raid0 boot
13:38<ranix>unless you have some kind of hardware raid that's transparent to the OS
13:38<mprice>but you can in raid1?
13:38<ranix>raid1 is fine
13:38<mprice>thanks for clearing that up ranix
13:38<mprice>wasn't sure about raid1
13:38<ranix>no problem
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13:39<ranix>raid1 puts the same data on two drives as if you had only the one drive
13:39<ranix>so you could actually yank a drive and keep going
13:39<ranix>although I believe raid1 reads faster due to being able to pull data from both drives
13:39<dkr>why do you think you can't boot from software raid0?
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13:40<ranix>"boot from" and "put the /boot/ partition on" are different
13:40<dkr>yes, raid1 has a slight boost in reads, but of course takes longer to write since it makes a copy
13:40<djc>you can boot software raid
13:40<djc>with an initrd
13:40<ranix>"boot from" and "put the /boot/ partition on" are different
13:41<djc>you can do that to
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13:41<ranix>at the very least it would be a stupid thing to do
13:41<dkr>it should be called aid0 :)
13:41<ranix>you also *can* force your processor to think it divided by zero
13:41<ranix>but why would you do that
13:42<djc>100/100 = 1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
13:42<dkr>ranix: there are infinite reasons!
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13:42<djc>sorry, my bad, i meant
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13:42<djc>100.0 * 100.0 / 100.0 = 1.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
13:42<fxiny>Supaplex: i forgot : i put rtorrent in a vserver , sharing the home with the host as usual . my cpu was always at 100% so i just stopped it
13:43<djc>good night
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13:44<fxiny>djc: look at me how i am leet : Prelude> 100.0 * 100.0 / 100.0 --> 100.0 :P
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13:45*gravity headdesk
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13:45<fxiny>gravity: seen ? i found it :)
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13:48<gravity>Hrm, works right in rakudo as well
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13:49<fxiny>perl6 ? nice
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13:51<gcs>OK, just for the record. This was a something which I call user error.
13:52<gcs>The cable has two USB jacks/endings. One is a shorter distance from the disk itself, the second is on a longer part of cable.
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13:53<fxiny>and the cat chewed it ?
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13:53<gcs>I plug in the longer part one, as it was more comfortable for me. It spins up, yes. But does not work. If I plug the shorter jack in, it works as expected.
13:53<gravity>I have a drive like that
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13:54<gcs>fxiny: I think the longer one is something like an USB port replicator.
13:54<fxiny>i have a fine iomega usb cable
13:54<fxiny>thick and silver
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13:55<adama>gcs: the length of USB cable can make an external HDD not work. You may have better results with a rear (mobo-attached) usb port as well
13:55<adama>because the front ones are connected to the mobo with more cable still
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13:55<fxiny>cable quality is important
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14:01<gcs>Gotta go. Cheers!
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14:04<emperor>what is vritualbox
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14:04<fxiny>probing time ?
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14:20<Clear>I'm trying to compile something, and it says it needs a C compiler, what is the best C compiler for Debian to download? Link?
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14:22<fxiny>Clear : install build-essential
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14:24<Clear>Thank you very much Fxiny! I got it :)
14:25<fxiny>Clear: try using debian packages instead of compiling
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14:47<Clear>Hm, How do I add all users to the sudoers list?
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14:48<petemc>not aware of a way to automate it
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14:50<Clear>ah, thanks people :)
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14:53<Cadmium01>What command can I use to query a DNS server?
14:53<Clear>Hm, lol, how do I save that file and close it?
14:53<Cadmium01>I need to retrieve TXT records for
14:54<themill>Cadmium01: nslookup -q=TXT
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14:54<Cadmium01>themill, how would I indicate the specific nameserver?
14:54<themill>Cadmium01: nslookup -q=TXT
14:55<Cadmium01>themill, thank you
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15:04<no-video>hi, i come back
15:05<no-video>i dont have a single-opition on my grub, but i need to remove compiz-fusion because it have bugged my GUI
15:05<no-video>using Squeeze, AMD64
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15:06<no-video>i need to enter text-mode to remove compiz... or if you have some other idea
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15:09<no-video>PLEASE HELP
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15:14<zumbi> no-video hi
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15:14<zumbi>no-video: not sure what your problem is
15:14<dpkg>rescue is, like, at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
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15:14<no-video>well, i need enter text mode during boot
15:15<zumbi>do you have grub? use single user
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15:15<zumbi>alt+f1 does not work?
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15:15<no-video>i have grub, but on boot menu, dont have the single-opition
15:16<no-video>when i need to press alt-f1?
15:16<zumbi>edit grub with 'e' and add single user
15:16<zumbi>ctrl+alt+f1 sorry
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15:17<no-video>when can i press ctrl+alt+f1 to enter text-mode?
15:17<no-video>(when can i press e to edit boot menu?)
15:17<zumbi>no-video: do that when X is running
15:18<zumbi>the grub option on grub interface, before boot
15:18<no-video>but its the problem, when may X load it , it turns black screen
15:18<no-video>ill try, ty
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15:19<Clear>Hm, I've set that my user can use FULL sudo, but when I try: sudo ./Config , it says: sudo: ./Config not found
15:20<valdyn>Clear: ls ./Config works though?
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15:20<Clear>hm, then it just says: ./Config and nothing more
15:21<valdyn>Clear: its not an executable anyway
15:21<Clear>Well, on my root it works, but on my normal user not.
15:21<valdyn>Clear: what works?
15:22<Clear>On my root, I will get the screen to compile my IRCd
15:22<valdyn>Clear: after running which command?
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15:24<Clear>That works well on the root account, but on my normal account, it will say permisson denied, and with sudo it says command not found
15:24<valdyn>Clear: its not full sudo or you are in different directories
15:24<valdyn>Clear: you shouldnt be compiling anything
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15:24<valdyn>Clear: root has no business doing compilation
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15:25<zumbi>Clear: apt-get install sudo
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15:25<Clear>Sudo works already zumbi
15:25<valdyn>sudo is restricted to $PATH maybe, i dont know
15:25<Clear>But not in this case
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15:25<zumbi>Clear: do you have the right line in /etc/sudoers
15:26<Clear>I did that
15:26<valdyn>Clear: we cant verify this if you dont show us
15:26<zumbi>echo $PATH, do you have sbin dirs?
15:26<Clear>Sudo should work in all dirs
15:27<zumbi>which sudo will tell you where it is usually under /usr/bin
15:27<valdyn>Clear: youre confusing yourself and us by not showing the actual complete commands
15:27<Clear>and echo $PATH says: /usr/local/bin:usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
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15:28<zumbi>Clear: are you also aware of capitalization? is Config instead config ?
15:28<christoph>is there any good reason for binary files in /var/log (not counting gz compressed textfiles)
15:28<Clear>Capitals are right :(
15:28<valdyn>christoph: if a program logs binary files, obviously
15:28<zumbi>christoph: no binaries in /var/log
15:29<christoph>well both proftp and mysql seem to dump some non-text stuff there
15:29<valdyn>christoph: surely that is documented
15:29<tcsetattr>/var/log/lastlog and /var/log/wtmp come to mind as non-text files
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15:30<fxiny>snort dumps binary files
15:31*zumbi was worng
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15:34<Clear>Is it possible to run commands in dirs of other users from the root?
15:35<valdyn>Clear: is that a new problem?
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15:35<valdyn>Clear: or still the old one that cant be solved jsut because you dont give information?
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15:36<Clear>Well it has to do with the other problem, I'm newb at debian :s
15:36<valdyn>Clear: run your commands, cut and paste the whole thing, put that up on a paste site
15:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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15:37<Clear>Okay, I'll do that valdyn
15:37<valdyn>Clear: run ls in between to prove the files are there
15:38<Clear>This will be a lot of type work :-)
15:38<valdyn>Clear: why? cant cut&paste ?
15:39<Clear>Don't know how that works, I'm sitting in front of my Debian machine with my Vista laptop :P
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15:39<fxiny>mind the radioactivity :P
15:39<valdyn>Clear: is the debian machine networked?
15:40<dpkg>Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe>
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15:40<valdyn>Clear: or you could install an irc client in that debian box
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15:41<Clear>Hm, that would be a good idea
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15:43<Clear>Ah, got it working :)
15:43<Clear>Now I can paste
15:44<RrodolfoS>hi!!, how can i make a frame relay router??
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15:47<dpkg>somebody said pppoe was Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet. "apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf" and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian. This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPoE support, in 2.4 kernels, enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support.
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15:48<GhostlyDeath>The file /var/lib/dpkg/status is corrupt, what do I do?
15:49<Lemonzest>GhostlyDeath: get out, back to doom channels with you
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15:51<mcrxds>I'm looking for some understanding of when "apt-get dist-upgrade" will still hold a package back, rather than install the new Depends of a new package....
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15:53<petemc>!held back
15:53<dpkg>methinks kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see Ask me about <dist-upgrade>.
15:53<GhostlyDeath>Lemonzest: The hell is your problem?
15:54<Lemonzest>GhostlyDeath: jezz, i'm kidding lighten up
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15:54<Lemonzest>this is the GhostlyDeath of remood fame correct?
15:55<GhostlyDeath>Yes, I lead ReMooD
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15:55<GhostlyDeath>but that has nothing to do with this
15:56<valdyn>GhostlyDeath: /var/backups/
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15:59<dpkg>dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade> <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>
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16:02<mcrxds>petemc, so far I haven't learnt anything. I am creating packages (mostly virtual packages that install prereqs for a product)... and sometimes when I add a new Depends, I get a held back, even though I did dist-upgrade.
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16:02<mcrxds>doing an explicit "apt-get install foo" (where foo is already installed, but a new foo is available) solves this.
16:04<petemc>does doing apt-get -s install foo give more info?
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16:05<GhostlyDeath>valdyn: Is their a way to recreate the /var/lib/dpkg directory?
16:06<GhostlyDeath>The file /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted also
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16:07<dpkg>run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available"
16:07<mcrxds>petemc, I'll have to wait for this to happen again to try that.
16:07<mcrxds>it doesn't happen every time.
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16:09<mcrxds>could it occur if a package which I explicitely asked for is *not* out of date, but a package that it depends upon is, and that new package has new dependancies? Or maybe add another layer... beacuse I've got about 16 different variations on how to deploy, I've chopped up my configuration into many little pieces...
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16:09<mcrxds>no sense in install rails on a machine if it will just run apache as load balancer, etc.
16:09<mcrxds>but, if it's all gonna be in one machine, then I need everything....
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16:12<Clear>I got it pastbinned:
16:12<tcsetattr>mcrxds, also try "aptitude why-not packagename"
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16:14<mcrxds>like I said, it doesn't happen every time...
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16:16<valdyn>Clear: those files are all owned by root?
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16:17<Clear>No, owned by allard
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16:17<valdyn>Clear: ok, use "sh Config" instead of "./Config"
16:18<tcsetattr>1. run "file Config" 2. stop using sudo without a reason (no, "I don't trust myself with the root password to my own machine" is not a reason)
16:18<Clear>valdyn, that worked
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16:18<Clear>Oh my god, me is happy :D
16:19<valdyn>!wikifaq Clear Permissions
16:19<dpkg>Clear: check out or if that doesn't work, try
16:19<Clear>Sorry for being so unclear with this nickname, I'm newb
16:19<Clear>Thank you :)
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16:20<valdyn>Clear: this was a shell script, shell scripts can be run like that if they are not executable. What executable and the other permissions mean you should read up on what dpkg said
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16:28<Clear>I get permission denied again, at the end of the compiling
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16:39<k1lumin4t1>has anybody experienced problems playing youtube High Definitio Videos on firefox using flash 10 plugin? I get stuttered video
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16:41<Gun_Smoke>I'm curious about a connection firestarter keeps complaining about.. I am assuming it's coming from the modem, port 68 source UDP for DHCP. Does that sound about right?
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16:43<k1lumin4t1>Gun_Smoke, we couldn't possibly know who's
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16:43<k1lumin4t1>Gun_Smoke, try whois'ing it or diging it
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16:45<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: bootpc
16:46<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: just some nic that could boot from the network
16:46<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: while you obviously dont have a server it could use, thats ok, ignore it
16:46<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: all thinkpads should do this too, by default at least, or any "better" nic that supports network booting
16:47<Gun_Smoke>valdyn, only if enabled in bios correct?
16:47<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: cheap stuff you can buy often doesnt have the ( opional ) rom for this, just a socket
16:47<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: i think its on by default in the bios
16:47<Gun_Smoke>I have no way of looking.. machine is in Texas.
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16:48<Gun_Smoke>I was looking at the logs for a friend and noticed a very noisy entry about this.
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16:50<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: those relatively cheap lenovo notebooks do it too by default
16:50<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: ( i just saw in my log )
16:51<Gun_Smoke>valdyn, ahh.. good to know.. Firestarter was logging every packet which was crazy.. so I figured that out.. and this entry was still coming up.
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16:54<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: its not a always on machine that is doing this but something that boots up
16:54<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: ( so can hardly be a modem )
16:54<Gun_Smoke>I'll have to asks her to look but that might be a very pointless attempt..
16:54<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: or just his/her laptop
16:55<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: or computer
16:55<Gun_Smoke>it was a heck of a phone call getting ssh and 22 open :)
16:55<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: you can log the packet and determine the device from the MAC address
16:56<valdyn>Gun_Smoke: unless theres a router in between
16:56<Gun_Smoke>valdyn, I doubt it.
16:56<Gun_Smoke>well I know there isn't... didn't need to forward anything to get in.
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17:05<emy>come si deve fare a cambiare la risoluzione schermo non posso piu' vedere 1024x1240
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17:06<emy>premetto che ho la sceda video Nvidia 9600 gt 1024 mb.
17:06<Gun_Smoke>!it > emy
17:07<emy>yes hi ave big proble to change definition my display
17:08<emy>mi Nvidia is 9600gt 1024 mb.
17:08<emy>tank you gun smoke
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17:09<emy>hi and1
17:10<Gun_Smoke>good it worked..
17:10<emy>best regard for all bye emy
17:10<emy>next week
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17:11<Gun_Smoke>!es > Gun_Smoke
17:12<Gun_Smoke>rather than spamming the channel.. could someone help me out... lol idiot here.
17:12<dr|z3d>Gun_Smoke: Try gRandr.
17:12<erKURITA>wait, redirections work with dpkg ?
17:12<erKURITA>!kernel > erKURITA
17:13<Gun_Smoke>erKURITA, that's what I was after...
17:13<dr|z3d>!tell Gun_Smoke about es
17:13<erKURITA>!tell Gun_Smoke -about es
17:13<dr|z3d>!tell erKURITA about kernel
17:13<Gun_Smoke>dr|z3d, that did it..
17:13<erKURITA>dr|z3d I know, silly ;)
17:13<erKURITA>Thanks anyway
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17:27<ludwig>Has anyone an idea where fetchmail puts its UIDL list?
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17:33<joah>Hi anyone there
17:34<joah>this is my first entry using Ubunu n all you know
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17:35<joah>who is lenny
17:35<Gun_Smoke>!tell joah about ubuntu
17:35<stew>joah: lenny is the codename of the current stable release of debian. named after the binoculars in toy story
17:36<joah>so is ubuntu adopting lenny
17:36<stew>joah: you may find that ubuntu has some bugs, such as the xchat bug where it connects ubuntu users to the channel instead of
17:36<stew>joah: lenny has nothing to do with ubuntu
17:37<joah>wouldnt know the difference at this time
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17:37<Gun_Smoke>stew, OH... *that* bug...
17:37<stew>joah: debian is a different linux distro than ubuntu. you want to be in the #ubuntu channel on not this channel
17:37<maxb>This is a bit of a long shot, but: Has anyone tried upgrading mailman from testing->unstable? I think the unstable package is broken.
17:38<stew>maxb: /msg dpkg bts
17:38<joah>how do i switch over
17:38<Gun_Smoke>joah, what client are you using?
17:38<maxb>Yeah, unfortunately I'm using a patched+rebuilt source package here, so filing a bug is a bit iffy
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17:38<maxb>I'm going to need to build a VM / chroot to test in
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17:41<Gun_Smoke>joah, <ctrl>+<s> find in the Networks list.. then connect.. once connected you need to do /join #ubuntu
17:41<Gun_Smoke>dont forget the forward slash /
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17:42<Gun_Smoke>joah, then network may simply be called FreeNode in your list..
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17:52<no-video>hello guys, i need help
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17:52<JakeRX>Is there a reason I can't open any kind of File Viewer/Manager when I'm remotely connected to my Linux box using a VNC viewer? An icon appears saying it is starting and then it disappears.
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17:52<no-video>i have deleted the compiz, but the gnome-starting problem still
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17:54<no-video>Im using squeeze, AMD64. I have installed compiz-fusion, but during use, it crashed and GDM dont started again
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17:55<no-video>then i entered single mode and removed compiz, but dont works.
17:56<no-video>i was using compiz icon that was selected compiz as default, not metacity.
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17:57<no-video>i think that compiz-icon changes a sistem file that set the default as Compiz. Have a way to change it back to metacity?
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17:58<no-video>please help
17:58<azeem_>no-video: GDM doesn't have anything to do with the window-manager
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17:59<no-video>well, ti wasnot starting
17:59<azeem>no-video: so figure out why
17:59<seanius>no-video: if you reboot the system, does gdm come up?
17:59<azeem>maybe it was running already?
17:59<no-video>no, its the problem
18:00<seanius>no-video: that should have nothing to do with compiz, though maybe in your efforts to get compiz set up it changed something else?
18:00<no-video>when login must be put, it just dont appear
18:00<lvdz>ive got an old computer, on which i installed Debian 3.0, but i can't remember the root password. I have access to my usr account tho. Is there any way i can recover that password ?
18:00<no-video>screen flashes somecolors, but dont start
18:01<seanius>no-video: can you go to the text console with ctrl-alt-f1?
18:01<gsimmons>!tell lvdz -about ifrp
18:01<no-video>no, just by single mod
18:01<seanius>no-video: try backing up and then removing your xorg.conf
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18:02<seanius>you probably won't get fancy 3d graphics but hopefully the defualt will at least... work
18:02<azeem>lvdz: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password
18:02<no-video>ok ill try.. some other ideas?
18:03<no-video>ok, thanks, ill try
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18:04<lvdz>well thank you guys
18:04<JakeRX>I am connected remotely to Lenny from a vista machine using a VNC viewer. For some reason, I can't open any "Computer" or "File Viewer" or anything to browse files. Any ideas?
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18:04<lvdz>but what does " 'fsck' your root file system " mean ? :)
18:04<azeem>file system check
18:04<azeem>man fsck
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18:05<lvdz>thats what i just typed :)
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18:07<seanius>JakeRX: do you know what window manager you're uing in the vncviewer?
18:08<JakeRX>Sorry, I don't. Is there a way to check?
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18:08<seanius>heh... take a screenshot and put it at picpaste? :)
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18:09<JakeRX>Is Gnome my window manager?
18:09<seanius>or see if
18:09<seanius>er, wrong window
18:10<azeem>JakeRX: no
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18:10<stew>JakeRX: gnome isn't a window manager
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18:10<seanius>you might be running gnome inside of vnc, but there should also be a window manager like metacity running
18:11<seanius>and if you're running gnome there ought to be some desktoip icons
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18:12<no-video>guys, i tried to remove xorg.conf , but dont worked. Too much fails
18:12<no-video>so much errors
18:12<no-video>then i tried to use a default xorg.conf
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18:12<JakeRX>I don't have any desktop icons, I am running gnome inside of vnc. I will try to do some research and get back with you all about my window manager
18:12<no-video>not worked too
18:13<seanius>JakeRX: what's in the .vnc/xstartup file of the user running vnc
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18:13<no-video>then, what i have to do?
18:14<no-video>please help!
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18:16<adama>no-video: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:17<adama>then pastebin to us your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log if it doesn't work
18:18<no-video>i come soon
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18:20<valdyn>JakeRX: try starting nautilus
18:21<JakeRX>Alright I may be out of my league, but a "ps -Af" showed an X-windows-manager running as root. I think I saw nautilus running in the process list.
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18:21<niklas>my /home is on a separate partition from /, what would happen if I format the /home partition?
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18:23<valdyn>niklas: nothing special
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18:24<niklas>So I can still log on with my regular username?
18:24<valdyn>niklas: yes
18:25<niklas>ok good
18:25<daneil>Hi. i think I messed up my debian box. I had testing installed (it says testing on sources.list) and I think that I installed some unstable packages on it. The login says Debian Squeeze/Sid
18:25<valdyn>niklas: some things wont work, like creating config files at $HOME, obviously, but you can log in
18:25<valdyn>niklas: im not sure you can log into X though, probably not
18:26<daneil>now the keyboard in X is all messed up. It works on the CLI
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18:26<valdyn>daneil: thats testing, not sid, if you sources.list sais so
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18:27<niklas>but I could do something like copy my home folder onto the root partition, then log on and create a new /home folder and copy the files back and just restart?
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18:27<daneil>what happens if I change my sources.list to lenny? Because I had debian testing it was lenny
18:27<valdyn>niklas: why restart?
18:27<valdyn>niklas: use cp -a, if you loose permissions thats not nice
18:28<valdyn>niklas: ( and cp as root )
18:28<stew>daneil: it depends on when you upgraded last and what packages have been upgraded
18:28<valdyn>niklas: why are you formatting?
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18:30<niklas>I made the leap and partitioned my whole hd for linux, /, and /home on 200gb with no windows. but now I want slackware too
18:30<niklas>and I have this huge /home partition I don't use
18:31<daneil>well, maybe it will be easier for me to fix the keyboard problem in X then to fix my dabian/flavor mixup
18:31<tcsetattr>resizing a filesystem is possible. you don't have to erase and rebuild it
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18:31<herm>Hi everyone,
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18:32<herm>would anyone be kind enough to help me on what I suspect to be a gconf issue
18:32<niklas>oh? what program would you recommend for that, tcsetattr?
18:32<no-video>hello guys, it worked, but now i dont have nm-applet of gnome, so i cant conect wifi internet that i use from university
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18:33<daneil>Has anyone seen a problem in X when I hit any key on the keyboard the scroll lock light will turn on, then of, then on? It seems to be related to xkb-data
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18:34<no-video>for true, i lost lot of stuffs, like hibernate, powersave, and others. But The real more important is the Network manager
18:34<no-video>nm-applet of Gnome
18:34<tcsetattr>niklas, I suspect parted could manage it for you. if not, apt-cache search resize filesys
18:34<herm>Here is my issue I try to launch the package upgrade by using the update-notifier icons ..... and then I have errors in xsessiosn-errors I am in testing debian
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18:35<no-video>i only have internet by wifi, but i dont have how to conect without nm-applet
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18:35<no-video>if i have internet, the other things i recover myself
18:36<danie1>no-video: You might have to connect to the wifi using the terminal iwconfig
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18:38<herm>here are the traces .... sorry but there is some french in the error message but I beleive the interresting part ie in english
18:38<niklas>ok thanks tcsetattr and valdyn
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18:40<lvdz>how can i edit a file (command line) ? vi isnt loaded apparently
18:40<amphi_>nano ?
18:41<lvdz>command not found as well
18:41<danie1>no-video: Another option is to get the nm-applet package and copy it to a usb stick. Then install in your machine using dpkg
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18:41<petemc>lvdz: does /usr/bin/vi work?
18:41<no-video>ok ty
18:42<no-video>well, but its installed, just dont open
18:42<no-video>lots of errors
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18:44<JakeRX>I think I've got some information: In my Current Session, it says a few of my currently running programs are: Gnome-panel, Nautilus, Metacity There are some others and there are Icons corresponding to the state of the program...
18:45<danie1>Has this happened to anyone: When X is running and I type a letter, the letter is typed, but the
18:45<danie1>scroll lock light is displayed. When I type another letter, the scroll
18:45<danie1>lock light goes out, and either the previous letter typed is deleted, or
18:45<danie1>the key behaves as an enter key, entering the previously typed single
18:45<danie1>letter as a shell command in the x terminal window
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18:45<danie1>oops, sorry for the flood guys
18:46<adb>tell danie1 aout paste
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18:46<adb>tell danie1 about paste
18:46<danie1>just learned that I should not paste in IRC
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18:47<dr|z3d>Learning fast, danie1!
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18:48<danie1>I might not be able to fix my X keyboard but i learned one think about IRC
18:49<herm>anyone for my issue or some french in the error message is considered as rude word ? ;o)
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18:53<lvdz>petemc: ok cool ill try that
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19:01<lvdz>petemc: no unfortunately it doesnt
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19:02<petemc>lvdz: what kind of system is this?
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19:10<herm>for me 2.6.26-1-686
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19:12<herm>debian testing
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19:20<screenn>have you an ideas how to use suspend mode on debian laptop?
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19:24<Hrms>Algum Brasileiro na sala
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19:25<HAppY>Hi everybody !
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19:25<Saka>hi herm
19:26<herm>hi saka .... anyone woule help me on a bug on the update-notifier ?
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19:29<stuckey>How do I play a DVD with mplayer
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19:30<herm>(boum!!!) o==\*\+
19:30<herm> \--\
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19:31<herm>hello, sould you please help me on a bug on the update-notifier
19:31<herm>here are the traces of the xsession-errors
19:31<herm>I am in 2.6.26-1-686 debian testing
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19:32<meoblast001>i'm trying to make a bootable installer of Debian on USB but my BIOS keeps saying "Missing Operating System"
19:32<meoblast001>can anyone help/
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19:33<herm>hello, Would you please help me on a bug on the update-notifier here are the traces of the xsession-errors I am in 2.6.26-1-686 debian testing
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19:35<sdhoeppner>What string do I need to add to /etc/syslog.conf in order to put all entries from ". 7008ABR" into /var/log/smc/router.log
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19:36*sdhoeppner a bit of a remote syslog nubie
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19:37<Saka>Herm sorry i can't
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19:38<herm>been hoping for an hour ... but my faith is strong
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19:41<herm>leaving : 1AM in France... I will come back to you tomorrow. Cheers
19:41<Hrms>algum brasileiroooooooooooooooo
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19:42<sdhoeppner>I've setup remote syslog and am successfully getting a feed from a remote device. I'd like to dump all log entries from that remote device into a separate log file.
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19:42<greywolf>so, noob here installed linux and trying to figure out a simple programming language to output web results to .csv
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19:43<sdhoeppner>the tags currently hitting syslog are ". 7008ABR"
19:43<greywolf>i understand the file system and basic commands and kde, but no coding skills any good websites to go to/
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19:46<sdhoeppner>what line do i need to add to /etc/syslog.conf to stick everything into /var/log/smc/router.log
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19:58<Saka>hi , may i ask you something. If you got a multiple local user on a debian machine. you want to add another disk just for hosting some data for users. how do i need set up my fstab for the device /dev/hdb1 to mount and be read/write access for the whole local users ?
20:00<meoblast001>i'm reading a tutorial that said "When you are done, unmount the USB memory stick (umount /mnt) and activate its write protection switch.".... what is a write protection switch and how do i activate it?
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20:01<Silicium01>Does anyone know what's the park about "domainkeys=neutral (no sig)" in email headers all about?
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20:02<Saka>does anyone can help me ?
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20:04<Silicium01>Saka, cant you greate a group that has read write access to that drive? and then add users to that group?
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20:08<daneil>just thought I'd let you guys know. xkb-data in debian testing and sid broke my xorg keyboard
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20:08<daneil>downgrading from version 1.5 (in testing and unstable) to 1.3 (in lenny) fixed things up
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20:09<Saka>hi , may i ask you something. If you got a multiple local user on a debian machine. you want to add another disk just for hosting some data for users. how do i need set up my fstab for the device /dev/hdb1 to mount and be read/write access for the whole local users ?
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20:22<sylar>anyone know?
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20:22<sylar>I init-premount stop me on an outdated partition name that I dont know where it gets it from?
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20:24<Saka>hi , may i ask you something. If you got a multiple local user on a debian machine. you want to add another disk just for hosting some data for users. how do i need set up my fstab for the device /dev/hdb1 to mount and be read/write access for the whole local users ?
20:24<Miodek-linuxfan>hi all, can someone please help mi with Bluez i really would like to switch from windows to linux but im stuck with my usbdongle not running and the problem is i use it evry day ?
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20:24<sylar>Saka, that has to do with file permission on the filesystem
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20:25<sylar>Saka, you should put your users on a group that has permission , or allow everyone to read write
20:26<sylar>Saka, chmod 666 ; for eg
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20:34<juscelio>alguem brasileiro
20:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:51<ranix>I have a program listening on port 9000
20:51<ranix>I want to pipe the contents of a file repeatedly to the program via the command line. I understand I can use /dev/udp or netcat
20:52<ranix>But, I'm not certain how to repeatedly send the contents
20:52<ranix>oh, I'm stupid
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20:54<Pitxyoki>for ((i=0; i<2; i+=1)); do
20:54<Pitxyoki> ./prog $i
20:54<Pitxyoki> sleep 1
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20:54<Pitxyoki>why is it that that script doesn't show prog's output?
20:55<Pitxyoki>If I call it as ./prog 0, for example, I see the program's output on bash, but using the $i inside the loop, I don't.
20:55<ranix>huh I seem to be missing /dev/udp
20:55<Pitxyoki>ranix, I'm talking about the script I pasted here.
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20:55<ranix>that script is strange
20:55<Pitxyoki>(I hope it showed here complete)
20:55<Pitxyoki>It's a simplification of something bigger I have here.
20:55<ranix>while true; do foo > /dev/udp/ip/port; done
20:56<ranix>is correct
20:56<ranix>if I can find what gives /dev/udp
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20:56<ranix>and just ctrl+c it
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20:57<ranix>hm apparently debian can't easily have /dev/udp
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21:02<paul0>hi, i have icedtea6 installed here, how do i set up epiphany to use it?
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21:20<digitaloktay>how can i see the correct Hdd temp? hddtemp shows /dev/sda: SAMSUNG SV0412H: 240°C :S
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21:45<Saka>anyone here ?
21:46<Saka>ya quelqu'un de dispo pour m'expliquer 2 - 3 truc sur fstab
21:47<Saka>anyone here to help me on fstab file ?
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21:50<Supp>Hello, i need to install debian Lenny on Intel centrino DUO, an i i
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21:52<Supp>what architeture i can use:? AMD64 is supported?
21:53<Supp>or i need to use i386?
21:54<Supp>Intel Centrino Duo, it appears support 64bits computing
21:54<Supp>AMD64 is supported by this processor:
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21:55<mike_hunter>yeah, but amd64 has lots of problems.
21:55<stew>Supp: if it is a 64 bit cpu, then you can use amd64 or i386
21:55<stew>mike_hunter: what problems?
21:55<stew>Supp: i don't think amd64 has tons of problems
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21:58<DrivenMad>Hello everyone :)
21:58<DrivenMad>Got a troubleshooting question on Debian 5.
21:59<DrivenMad>When installed on my dell laptop.. the install goes great, but when it reboots. it ends up on a white screen.. any idea how to fix this?
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22:01<Silicium01>How do I add domain authentication to email?
22:01<DrivenMad>I can ctl-alt f2 and get a login comsole
22:01<Silicium01>Any howto/website would be greatly appreciated
22:01<kop>DrivenMad: Either ctrl-alt-f1 to get to the console and debug X from there (hint: /var/log/Xorg.0.log) or boot from the install cd in rescue mode and chroot and do the same.
22:02<DrivenMad>ok thx will try that now brb :)
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22:05<DrivenMad>ok im nano viewing that file.. will it show an error?
22:06<kop>DrivenMad : Most likely. The problem is recognizing it. You know about paste?
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22:06<DrivenMad>yea i think so like copy paste?
22:06<meoblast001>does anyone know if Debian ISO's are compatible with Ubuntu's USB-Creator?
22:06<meoblast001>i'm trying to make a Debian USB Installer and doing it manually keeps failing
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22:07<kop>Sanity check. I'm running php as a apache module. SuExec is not going to do anything. What's the right way to run an external program as another user, set the suid bit?
22:07<kop>!tell DrivenMad -about paste
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22:08<DrivenMad>sweet :)
22:08<kop>DrivenMad : You can paste the whole log and someone here might look at it for you.
22:08<DrivenMad>ok kewl.. let me get into irc on the laptop :) hehehe might take a bit :)
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22:09<kop>!tell meoblast001 -about debian-live
22:09<meoblast001>kop: i'm not looking for a live cd
22:09<meoblast001>i want anything that will install on this system
22:09<meoblast001>and a new CD drive for this laptop would cost too much
22:09<kop>meoblast001 : debian-live allows you to make your own.
22:09<meoblast001>kop: i'm trying to get this to work on a USB pen drive
22:10<meoblast001>the debian-installer
22:10<meoblast001>kop: just made it... let me try this out
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22:10<kop>meoblast001 : You can make a live usb stick with debian live, and there's a way to install while running debian. I usually use pxeboot myself.
22:11<kop>Short attention span. If he comes back someone tell him again.
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22:15<meoblast001>kop: i got the drive to boot but when Debian-Installer looked for my CD drive, it couldnt find it because i was using USB
22:15<meoblast001>kop: are there any workarounds for that?
22:15<kop>meoblast001 : You can make a live usb stick with debian live, and there's a way to install while running debian. I usually use pxeboot myself.
22:16<DrivenMad>hehe installing proftpd on the nix laptop :) so i can push the log file kop :)
22:16<kop>DrivenMad : scp
22:16<meoblast001>kop: would i have to download anything else? it takes me 2 hours to download debian
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22:16<meoblast001>kop: i suppose if it doesn't work i could use Ubuntu 8.04 for now and find this laptop a new home
22:17<meoblast001>that is......... when i'm done using it myself
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22:17<kop>meoblast001 : pxeboot will let you boot the netinstall image, which is small. But it's one of those things that you have to turn your brain on for the first time you do it.
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22:17<meoblast001>kop: eh.... seems like a lot of downloading
22:17<kop>DrivenMad : Ok the, 'man scp'.
22:17<Guest547>sorry, my program just exited, can anyone help me install apache server software so i can make a home server on ubuntu? its been a while since ive used this os so i dont even remember how to message 1 person on here
22:17<meoblast001>kop: i think for the time being i'll just put ubuntu on here.. i have a few ubuntu iso's on here
22:17<kop>meoblast001 : About 180MB IIRC.
22:18<meoblast001>that would take about 45 minutes
22:18<dr|z3d>Guest547: apt-cache search apache
22:18<dr|z3d>Guest547: Then aptitude install <packagename>
22:18<dr|z3d>You'll see what you need.
22:18<meoblast001>kop: are there any other ways to trick the debian installer into thinking the cd drive is elsewhere?
22:18<dr|z3d>Google will clarify any vaguaries :)
22:18<DrivenMad>ahhh gotcah thx :)
22:18<kop>!tell Guest547 -about ubuntu
22:18<Guest547>drjz3d: ok, lets see if i can get this lol
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22:19<kop>DrivenMad : Also google putty.
22:19<DrivenMad>ahh ok ..well i have secure crt installed for connecting to my clarkconnect box :) that will work right?
22:19<kop>meoblast001 : I think so, but I don't know what they are.
22:20<meoblast001>kop: i guess i'll just bite the bullet then and use Ubuntu
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22:20<kop>meoblast001 : You might try pressing the function keys at boot and see what the help says.
22:20<meoblast001>i wanted something super light weight on here
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22:20<kop>DrivenMad : Dunno. Prolly.
22:20<DrivenMad>hehehe kk
22:21<DrivenMad>will putty act as a server to connect to?
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22:21<kop>DrivenMad : Run the server on the debian box. Otherwise, dunno. maybe.
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22:21<DrivenMad>ok ekwl
22:21<DrivenMad>kewl :)
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22:27<DrivenMad>hehe ok got openssh installed.. jsut tring to figure outthe path where it put it :)
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22:29<binarymutant>the scroll lock turns on with every other key press, how can i get this to stop?
22:30<binarymutant>only while in X though
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22:34<binarymutant>the scroll lock is messed up :(
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22:38<Satsujinkyo-san>hi all
22:39<Satsujinkyo-san>can someone help me with h264 playback?
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22:40<Satsujinkyo-san>i have debian squeeze, and when i`m playing h264 720p video via mplayer (x11+alsa drivers) it`s lookin` quite ugly
22:40<Satsujinkyo-san>looks like a frame skipping to me
22:41<Satsujinkyo-san>in windows with coreavc on the same pc everything is ok
22:41<Satsujinkyo-san>what might be the problem?
22:41<aredhel>Satsujinkyo-san, maybe ask in #mplayer on freenode?
22:42<Saka>anyone master of the fstab here ?
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22:43<abrotman>Saka: just ask your real question
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22:43<Satsujinkyo-san>aredhel tnx, i`ll try that
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22:44<amdgoon>Saka: ?
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22:45<ringer>join #mint
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22:46<DrivenMad>ok kop i finally got it posted at thanks... FYI getting a white screen on debian boot
22:46<mike_>Saka, you can not use 'mount -o umask=0 /dev/hdb1' to mount your disk?
22:47<deniz>is there much more you can do with kde than gnome in terms of eye candy?
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22:48<ringer>can someone tell me how to connect to the mint server?
22:49<kop>DrivenMad : Ask the channel again. I'm not here.
22:49<dpkg>i heard linux mint is a distribution based on Ubuntu. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. Go /join #linuxmint @ See <Based on Debian>.
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22:55<aryah>if it wouldnt be too impolite to clutter this channel with a non-technical question, might I ask about the opinions of ppl here on mono gnome applications? Is the patent threat and semicompatibility with .net an actuall threat to floss? Is is dangerous if a flagship floss project like gnome continue increasing num of interesting new features depend on mono?
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22:56<abrotman>aryah: stop reading the boycott-novell site
22:58<aryah>hah, I didnt actually take them serious, only saw some posts on fsdaily linked from there. Still could you plz explain what a saner perspective on mono might be?
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22:59<abrotman>aryah: maybe ask #debian-mono
22:59<aryah>ah, k
22:59<abrotman>they might be biased .. fair warning
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23:01<aryah>k thx
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23:02<simonrvn>aryah: of course they'll be biased, but the truth is somewhere in-between ;). best way is to make up your own mind.
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23:05<binarymutant>my apt-get says it can't resolve whats up w/ my apt?
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23:06<dr|z3d>binarymutant: Your DNS is up with your apt.
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23:07<abrotman>binarymutant: do host/nslookup/dig find it?
23:07<binarymutant>I can ping it though
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23:10<kop>Is [[:alnum:][:digit:]][[:alnum:][:digit:]-_]* a good eregexp for a sane filename checker? Is there a better choice?
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23:11<abrotman>just find hte first space and quit on that :)
23:12<kop>abrotman : I guess I should through a . in there too.
23:12<abrotman>or multiple .
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23:29<brian|lfs>iis anyone familer with grub2 at all
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23:29<brian|lfs>I'm trying to dual boot between debian and widnows and am not having much luck
23:30<brian|lfs>debian boots just fine but I can't seem to get windows to boot
23:30<dr|z3d>Sounds like a blessing. Try Virtualbox, perhaps.
23:30<manutea>could you give more details?
23:31<brian|lfs>ya the default conf that debian created doesn't boot windows for me
23:32<brian|lfs>so I did some research on the net and am still not having luck anyhow I can pste my windows section
23:32<brian|lfs>from my grub.cfg
23:32<manutea>it doesn't show up in the list?
23:33<brian|lfs>ya shows up fine just doesn't boot
23:33<manutea>any error message?
23:33<brian|lfs>ya doesn't look rootnoverify
23:33<brian|lfs>and doesn't like chainloader +1
23:35<manutea>seems like the right commands to boot windows though. do you know if it's booting from the right hard disk?
23:35<brian|lfs>ahh to much trying different examples
23:35<brian|lfs>I just looked at my conf again I had the wrong partition numbers
23:35<brian|lfs>in it
23:35<brian|lfs>I'm going to reboot and double check and see what I get for an error again
23:36<manutea>good luck
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23:36<brian|lfs>be back in a few
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23:40<brian|lfs>I figure it out
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23:40<manutea>did it work?
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23:40<brian|lfs>didn't realize the partitioning numbering is different in grub 2
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23:41<brian|lfs>in legacy grub it starts at 0 in grub2 it strts at 1
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23:41<manutea>hey thanks i didn't know that !
23:42<Lazha>can someone help me with rtorret, I need to completely remove it and all its dependencies, same with libtorrent
23:42<manutea>i guess this will save me some trouble later
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23:42<brian|lfs>I should of looked at my kernels before and I would of noticed
23:42<brian|lfs>the funny thing is the hard disks still start at 0
23:43<manutea>hard disk start a 0 and partitions at 1?
23:43<brian|lfs>makes no sense to me
23:44<brian|lfs>I personally think everything should start t 1 or 0 lol
23:44<brian|lfs>not both
23:44<manutea>probably makes sense to the developpers
23:45<manutea>are you sure of that actually? maybe you have some kind of small "hidden" partition at the beggining of your disk that fools you
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23:45<brian|lfs>if I do then there would be small partitions on both disks
23:46<brian|lfs>the drive that has my linux on it is the same way witht he linxu kernels
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23:47<brian|lfs>would cfdisk show hidden partitions anyhow?
23:47<manutea>i guess so. isn't fdisk the usual tool?
23:49<brian|lfs>thats true there is my grub conf file is your curious
23:49<brian|lfs>not sure why it says don't edit all over it lol
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23:51<manutea>what's that "bigmem" at the end of the name of your kernels?
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23:52<brian|lfs>thats my kernel
23:52<brian|lfs>I installed the debian big memory kernel
23:52<brian|lfs>because I have 6 gigs of ram
23:52<brian|lfs>be back in a few minues
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23:54<blarson>IIRC sector 0 of a hard drive is the boot block.
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23:59<brian|lfs>thats true
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