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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-03-18

---Logopened Wed Mar 18 00:00:23 2009
00:01<manutea>you were right for the partition numbering :
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00:20<ray_>needs help on OpenLDAP installation on intrepid
00:21<ray_>any body there?
00:22<ajavid>this is #debian
00:22<ajavid>ray_, you want #ubuntu
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00:36<meshuggah>hello everyone
00:37<meshuggah>i want to use my keyboard like a piano,
00:37<meshuggah>hello mike_
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00:37<meshuggah>i want to use my keyboard like a virtual piano with midi notes, someone can heklp me
00:37<mike_>meshuggah, it sounds like good
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00:40<meoblast001>how do you start debian installer from debian-live?
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00:41<meshuggah>it dont give the choice when u boot?
00:41<meshuggah>or in tyhe menu when it is fully loaded
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00:45<meoblast001>meshuggah: was that to me?
00:45<meoblast001>time to go into Debian-Live
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00:48<meshuggah>it was meoblast gonbe
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00:51<meoblast001>well that went well.... not
00:56<chealer>meoblast001: you don't, unless you're using a custom image
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00:56<meoblast001>chealer: so i have to wait another 2 hours for a download?
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00:56<meoblast001>chealer: how the heck does Ubuntu do it but Debian doesnt?
00:57<meshuggah>ubuntu is better
00:57<meshuggah>debian is faster
00:57<meoblast001>i need something faster
00:57<meshuggah>like me
00:58<meshuggah>i love ubuntu but it is a bit too slow
00:58<meoblast001>this laptop is too slow
00:58<meoblast001>meshuggah: my issue is that this laptop is a piece of shit with no cd drive anymore
00:58<meoblast001>the net worth of the thing has to be less than the cd drive costs
00:58<chealer>meoblast001: well, depends on your Internet connection...
00:58<meshuggah>try netinst
00:58<meshuggah>i used netinst
00:59<chealer>meoblast001: Ubuntu is based on Debian, not the other way around.
00:59<meoblast001>meshuggah: but if netinst messes up... time to redownload another 2 hours of crap
00:59<meoblast001>meshuggah: my internet connection is decent but not good enough to deal with that BS
00:59<meshuggah>i need to install debian 4 times to make it works
01:00<meoblast001>i got so ticked at ubuntu i rm -rf *'d my home directory
01:00<meshuggah>ubuntu needed 1 time
01:00<meoblast001>Ubuntu gets the busybox black screen of death on my USB
01:00<meshuggah>install vista it is the best...
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01:00<meshuggah>what is your computer?
01:00<meoblast001>half of my RAM is required jut to display the screen
01:01<meoblast001>Inspiron 6000
01:01<meshuggah>80286 16 mhz 1 meg ram?
01:01<meoblast001>i'm just waiting till Kingston can get me my ram back
01:01<meoblast001>meshuggah: 512 megs of ram
01:01<meshuggah>lol i have 256
01:01<meoblast001>i want my home made box to run again
01:01<meoblast001>i just need my ram back from kinston
01:01<chealer>meshuggah: please stick to topic
01:01<meshuggah>sorry chealer
01:04<meshuggah>chealer, do you know how to make my virtual keyboard working? i want to use it like a piano(midi)
01:04<chealer>meshuggah: no, ask the channel
01:04<meshuggah>i did
01:04<meshuggah>nobody answer, nobody talk
01:04<meshuggah>only the off-topic ones
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01:14<chealer>meshuggah: well, you can always re-ask or ask somewhere else. BTW, it wouldn't hurt to append question marks to your questions.
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01:14<Steven_M>hi all
01:14<meshuggah>hi Steven_M
01:14<Steven_M>hi meshuggah
01:14<meshuggah>chealer, what means append
01:15<meshuggah>chealer, and i asked in #ubuntu in freenode also, and searched in google
01:15<Steven_M>does anyone here use stalonetray?
01:15<meshuggah>Steven_M, what is it?
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01:17<Steven_M>meshuggah: a stand alone system tray app?
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01:17<meshuggah>Steven_M, sorry me not talk good englis
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01:18<Steven_M>meshuggah: that's ok :)
01:19<chealer>meshuggah: it is best to put question marks ("?") at the end of questions
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01:19<meshuggah>chealer, oki
01:20<meshuggah>chealer, anyway it is what they teach us at school
01:20<chealer>meshuggah: note that if you're asking about Debian, you shouldn't ask #ubuntu, and if you're asking about Ubuntu, you shouldn't ask #debian
01:20<meshuggah>chealer, is it a war, they are nearly the same distro
01:21<meshuggah>chealer, people of different distro should make peace
01:21<meshuggah>chealer, anyway i dont want to argue with you
01:21<chealer>meshuggah: it's not a war. the topic on #debian is Debian, and the topic on #ubuntu is Ubuntu. it's that simple.
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01:22<meshuggah>i shut up now
01:22<meshuggah>tu es juste borné
01:22<chealer>meshuggah: if Debian and Ubuntu were that similar, Ubuntu wouldn't exist.
01:24<meoblast001>meshuggah: only if you are asking a question that you know applies to both Ubuntu and Debian
01:24<meoblast001>like a dpkg error or something
01:24<meshuggah>anybody here can help me with virtual keyboard midi????? i want to use my keybord like a piano playing midi note ????
01:24<meshuggah>meoblast001, both program are in both distro
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01:25<meoblast001>well... it's late where i am
01:25<meoblast001>so i should be off to bed
01:25<meoblast001>good night
01:25<meshuggah>good night meoblast001
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01:26<chealer>!tell meshuggah about ep
01:27<meshuggah>chealer, you said me to append with ?
01:27<meshuggah>chealer, dont abuse authority
01:29<Supaplex>respect mah ahhhthhoreeetaaah!
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01:35<chealer>meshuggah: "?", not "????". I have no more authority here than you have. this is simply advice
01:35<meshuggah>please stop
01:37*Supaplex watches a tumbleweed roll by
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01:43<meshuggah>anybody here knows how to make my midi work, i even cant play a simple midi file ? ! @ # $ % ?
01:44<snogglethorpe>a "simple midi file"...
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01:45<meshuggah>snogglethorpe, i was trying to use my keyboard like a midi piano and didnt succeed
01:45<meshuggah>so i tried to play a nirvana midi, and i hear nothing
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01:45<meshuggah>but i can play mp3 hear sound effect
01:45<meshuggah>but i can play and hear mp3 and sound effects
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01:51<meshuggah>i am borred and sleepy, good night everyone
01:51<meshuggah>peace chealer
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01:54<diego>hi there
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02:14<Lazha>how can I get latest version of xmlrpc ?
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02:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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02:42<DrivenMad>I am getting a whitescreen on boot of debian 5 (lenny) can someone look at my Xorg.0.log file and tell me why???
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02:53<DrivenMad>I am getting a whitescreen on boot of debian 5 (lenny) can someone look at my Xorg.0.log file and tell me why???
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03:00<jm_>DrivenMad: I don't see anything unusual in it
03:00<DrivenMad>ok thanks for looking :)
03:01<jm_>probably best to compare it to someone with very similar hardware
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03:03<DrivenMad>ok good idea.. im loading lenny on an old 1.2 gig laptop.. to start a wifi mesh node.. Accually i should probably hkeep it in console :)
03:04<jm_>other things to try would be acpi/apic kernel options, and intel x driver options
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03:08<DrivenMad>good idea.. i have had to mess with acpi in the past.. with mepis... the only distros taht i ahve successfully ran on this is mepis32 and backtrack 3 :)
03:09<jm_>alternatively trying a newer intel driver might also help, but that's got heavy dependenencies for compiling it
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03:15<nano->I'm building an automated test-setup that uploads .deb-files to a kvm, creates an apt repository and installs the debian files from there, however I get the warning about "Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security.", is it possible to disable that yes/no question?
03:15<plm156>i am trying to install sid from a businesscard image
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03:16<nano->ah.. found the flag.
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03:16<Lazha>anyone here to help for a sec ?
03:17<Lazha>I have this file xmlrpc-c-1.06.32
03:17<Lazha>but I don't know how to open it.. it says in properties its a tar file
03:17<Lazha>what's the command to untar it ?
03:17<shweppsie>tar zxvf <filename> ?
03:18<Lazha>but that file doesn't have .tar.gz in the end
03:18<jm_>that hardly matters
03:18<jm_>although using 'z' won't work if it's not compresse
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03:18<shweppsie>jm_, oops my mistake
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03:19<plm156>does anybody know how to check what version of glibc my d-i images is using ?
03:20<plm156>ls /lib ?
03:20<Lazha>cool it worked wihtout z
03:21<Lazha>if I compiled something using xmlrpc advanced version and then deleted advanced and installed 1.06.32, do I need to recompile ?
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03:21<jm_>you shouldn't be installing stuff from source on Debian systems
03:22<Lazha>I don't know what that means
03:22<Lazha><--- super new to debian
03:22<plm156>if i have /lib/libc-2.9 then should have worked ok ?
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03:23<jm_>it means it will possibly overwrite stuff installed from packages, and later when you upgrade it, the debian stuff will possibly overwrite custom stuff
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03:30<Lazha>how can I fix this line
03:30<Lazha>. /var/run/screen/S-root must have mode 700
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03:31<Tengu_>Lazha: maybe chmod... ?
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03:31<DrivenMad>thats what i was thinking too
03:32<Lazha>chmod -R /var/run/screen/S-root 700
03:32<Lazha>chmod -R 700 /var/run/screen/S-root
03:32<DrivenMad>chmod 700 ....\
03:32<Lazha>this way right ?
03:32<DrivenMad>yea that one
03:32<jm_>why does it not have such mode then?
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03:33<Lazha>is that a permanent change ?
03:33<Lazha>cuz everytime I use chmod -R it changed back or something
03:33<jm_>but why are you chmoding it? it's intentionally like that
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03:33<Lazha>I typed screen
03:33<Lazha>and got that message
03:33<DrivenMad>maybe the group ownership?
03:34<jm_>someone messed with it then
03:35<Lazha>so to change it back it would be chmod -R 700 /var/run/screen/S-root ?
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03:36<jm_>you don't need -R
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03:50<nacho>alguien en españa?
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03:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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03:51<nacho>como entrto
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03:59<Dark>hei, does anyone knows any application for circuit simulations for ubuntu???
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04:04<lili>i got a problem on start xend: /etc/init.d/xend start it errors : interface eth0 not configured yet,but eth0 obtained ip throgugh dhcp,so how to solve??thanks
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04:10<DrivenMad>lili : Thats wierd.. xend is configured to wrk on all interfaces by default
04:11<DrivenMad>maybe try enabling network bridging
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04:13<lili>DrivenMad, how does network-bridge looks like in the process table
04:13<DrivenMad>•lili• lookat this...
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04:18<lili>DrivenMadi run the scripts. and get the same error!!
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04:47<Gloonix>hello, how can I get my scanner added to libsane.rules permanently
04:48<jm_>Gloonix: did you check if it has been added in most recent release available (not specifically in Debian)?
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04:49<Gloonix>yes I am running testing/squeeze, everytime the libsane.rules gets updated it wipes my settings.
04:50<Gloonix>jm_, my scanner Brother MFC-215c is supported and has been working well since the Etch days
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04:50<Gloonix>jm_, does also list my scanner as supported
04:51<jm_>Gloonix: but why do you need to add the rules then?
04:53<Gloonix>jm_, If I don't add the the following to the /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libsane.rules, it does not work.
04:53<Gloonix>jm_, line is: SYSFS{idVendor}=="04f9",SYSFS{idProduct}=="0193",MODE="666",GROUP="scanner"
04:54<Gloonix>jm_, I have tried posting to the sane ml to get it added several times but no luck
04:54<jm_>Gloonix: I would just open a bug with sane-project or Debian with patch attached - alternatively, investigate why they say it's supported but the existing rules don't pick it up
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04:55<jm_>Gloonix: perhaps the issue is just that of permissions to access the device?
04:55<Gloonix>jm_, does the line need to specifically exist in the rules file for the scanner to be supported??
04:55<m4ximus>this a debian support channel? or where is the correct one? thanks
04:55<jm_>Gloonix: I don't know, in general there can be far more generic rules
04:56<jm_>m4ximus: check the topic
04:56<Gloonix>jm_, thats what I am thinking but a multitude of scanners are listed in that file except my Brother MFC215C :-(
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04:57<jm_>Gloonix: are you in group scanner?
04:57<Gloonix>jm_, yes
04:58<jm_>Gloonix: yeah it does seem there are no generic rules in there, just open a bug for debian with patch attached and explain it
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05:01<Gloonix>jm_, thanks I shall try to do that, hopefully better luck this time
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05:03<fipss>i'm using debian unstable now for a couple of years and just received my new notebook (dell latitute e6400). When trying to install debian testing netinst no hard disk is found. i think it has something to deal with the kernel, as i think i need a kernel >=2.6.27
05:03<fipss>is there any way to "patch" the netinst to be installed with kernel 2.6.27 or 2.6.28 ?
05:03<fipss>or any other idea which kernel module i need and how to load it ?
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05:03<jm_>kmuto has lenny installer with 2.6.28 kernel
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05:04<fipss>@jm_: thanks first of all, you know the link where i can download it?
05:05<jm_>!tell fipss about kmuto
05:05<jm_>fipss: in general I recommend you to not ask yes/no questions when you need help
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05:06<Gloonix>jm_ I removed the my scanner from the rules file then I get this error msg
05:07<fipss>jm_: ok sorry, but thank you very much for your reply, i will check out kmuto and try to get my laptop installed. thanks!
05:07<Gloonix>Failed to open device 'brother2:....' Error during device I/O...
05:07<jm_>fipss: otherwise d-i wiki/faq explain how to replace a kernel on installation media
05:08<jm_>Gloonix: permission denied?
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05:09<Gloonix>jm_, I presume, when I put that line back in everything XSane works fine...
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05:09<jm_>Gloonix: ahh here's a trick how to make sure it always works, even when you upgrade - ad it to your own udev rules file
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05:27<idebugthereforeiexist>hey folks. i have a slight issue with the debian installer. when i install debian using the lvm + encryption, i'm unable to boot afterwards, because during the installer it sees my scsi raid as SDB and my cdrom drive as SDA, but when it boots afterwards, it sees the scsi raid as SDA and then can't really boot. without lvm, i just correct fstab, but with lvm, i'm not sure how to do that
05:28<jm_>cd-rom as sda? that sounds utterly broken
05:29<idebugthereforeiexist>is apparently due to my scsi raid controller
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05:29<fipss>@jm_: just wanted to say thanks, as the kmuto installer worked out for the hard drive. thanks for your help !
05:29<jm_>fipss: enjoy
05:30<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist: not quite, cd-rom should be sr device, not sd
05:31<idebugthereforeiexist>perhaps its not the cdrom then, but something else is taking that device, meaning the installer sees the primary raid as SDB
05:31<idebugthereforeiexist>lemme check what it is
05:31<jm_>yeah, maybe USB or somesuch - well correct fstab/boot loader kernel options
05:32<jm_>and possibly rebuild initrd, that should do the trick
05:33<idebugthereforeiexist>actually, my bad, nothing is using sda... and still it forces the drive to be seen as sdb
05:33<jm_>but I don't see why that would be a problem at all
05:34<idebugthereforeiexist>correcting boot and fstab is what i usually do without lvm, but with lvm, that doesn't seem to work
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05:34<jm_>alternatively simply tell it to mount using fs label/uuid
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05:35<idebugthereforeiexist>i just use the guided install, i guess that would be in fstab i need to do that
05:35<agentscully>all right is someone a german man
05:35<jm_>indeed, and boot loader menu
05:35<idebugthereforeiexist>lemme give it a try
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05:36<agentscully>deutschlan detschland über alles übr alles in der welt von dem rhein bis zur weser von der weser bis zur bells blüh im glanze dieses glühückes blühe deutsches vaterland
05:37<agentscully>alles klar?
05:37<jm_>here's an ode to germans: Den Arm aus dem Fenster das Radio an, draussen haengt ein Fuchsschwanz dran!
05:38<agentscully> heil hitler,sieg heil heil hitler
05:38<agentscully>fuck you all
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05:39<hostel2>heil hitler
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05:40<amok>is jemand aus der 8a on???
05:41<amok>ihr seid alle scheiße
05:41<idebugthereforeiexist>wtf was that all about...
05:42<jm_>just ignore them
05:42<jm_>they go away after 2-3 minutes
05:42<idebugthereforeiexist>german 4chan
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05:44<lili>dose any body know about the irc channel of Xen progect ,offer me the address ,thanks!!!
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05:45<jm_>!tell lili -about xen
05:45<bastard>keiner on??
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05:49<lili>jm_ that`s right!!
05:49<jm_>yes, it told you about xen channel
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05:52<amok>sieg heil
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06:05<idebugthereforeiexist>jm_ : i fixed fstab & mtab (in /etc) and (in /boot/grub, menu-1st didn't need to be modified, as it was pointing to root part on the lvm). I did this all on the console at the end of my debian lenny install in console, so when I rebooted, it still failed saying the "volume group wasn't found, crypt setup: source devide /dev/sdb2 not found"
06:06<idebugthereforeiexist>is there anything else i need to modify to tell the lvm to loko at sda instead of sdb?
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06:07<Koter84>hi All!
06:08<Koter84>i'm trying to compile Asbestos from Gnome SVN
06:08<Koter84>but i get an error about some variable not being declared...
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06:09<Koter84>now, i could just put "string VariableName" but then it doesn't work either....
06:09<Koter84>does anybody use the Asbestos program? or is there a better app available?
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06:10<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist: hmm try this
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06:11<jm_>what does asbestos do?
06:11<Koter84>its a kind of VPN
06:12<jm_>there are many VPN solutions
06:12<idebugthereforeiexist>jm_ : cool, thanks, i'm having a look at it now. btw, when you said "rebuild initrd", is it the same process as with ubuntu "update-iniramfs -u" ?
06:12<Koter84>it's meant to tunnel your data over ssh without having to use localhost:1235 to connect.
06:13<Koter84>so it makes changes to yopur iptables
06:13<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist: yup, or simply dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-....
06:13<Koter84>so you can connect by using the hostname, asbestos then filters out those requests
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06:14<idebugthereforeiexist>jm_ : ah, k, will try that
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06:18<Koter84>and tunnels them to the right machine.
06:19<Koter84>i would like to use that to tunnel some connections to work/home and to my parents-place to give them computer support
06:19<Koter84>i can put the errors here....
06:20<Koter84>asbestos_router.c: In function ‘asbestos_router_class_init’:
06:20<Koter84>asbestos_router.c:40: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘dbus_g_object_class_install_info’
06:20<Koter84>asbestos_router.c:41: error: ‘dbus_glib_asbestos_router_object_info’ undeclared (first use in this function)
06:20<Koter84>asbestos_router.c:41: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
06:20<Koter84>asbestos_router.c:41: error: for each function it appears in.)
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06:20<jm_>doesn't look maintained
06:20<gsimmons>!tell Koter84 -about paste
06:20<gsimmons>Koter84: Asbestos hasn't had a commit in over three years. You may wish to use something less, uh, dead.
06:21<Koter84>yeah, i know that... (about the dead thing...)
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06:21<jm_>no wonder it doesn't build with up-to-date libs
06:22<Koter84>but i havent found a program like that... and i wont mind putting some effort into it....
06:22<jm_>looks just like some sort of more generic bouncer
06:23<Koter84>i already took care of some problems, with the dbus-binding-tool which got a new interface
06:23<Koter84>-about paste
06:23<Koter84>!about paste
06:23<fgh>there is a bug in gnome-do (lenny) unables me to launch preferences. is there a way to update to a newer version of gnome-do without upgrading the whole system?
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06:25<Koter84>does anyone of you know about such a prog? since i don't really need to use asbestos
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06:27<jm_>fgh: not unless it appears on backports or you build it yourself
06:28<jm_>whih I assume is not trivial
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06:29<stuckey>I just installed the "ekiga" package and when I try to run it I get a box that says "Gconf key error" "Ekiga got an invalid value for the GConf key '/apps/ekiga/general/gconf_test_age".
06:29<stuckey>It then says "It probably means that your GConf schemas have not been correctly installed or the that permissions are not correct."
06:30<stuckey>I'm using Lenny. Does anyone know why it's doing this?
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06:31<Linkas>hello i have pda neo freerunner with debian and xfce, and i have a problem. xfce doesn't shows bars. when i try menu-settings-window manager there is error "these settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)". what should i do
06:31<jm_>stuckey: it's in BTS
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06:35<DisSsha>Hi, could you tell me what do Debian use to check functional regression system ?
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06:38<Ethaniel>Morning everyone.
06:39<Ethaniel>(07:38 down here)
06:39<fgh>morning then :)
06:40<Ethaniel>Question: How can I disable the print spooler? I have noticed the spooler starting with Debian, but I don't have a printer so I don't need it.
06:40<fgh>jm_: build it myselfe? thats new to me, where can i read about it?
06:40<jm_>fgh: in that case I advise against doing that :)
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06:40<jm_>Ethaniel: the same way as with other stuff you don't need, uninstall it first (if you can)
06:41<fgh>hehe okie.. then ill wait and see if my update to testing will do the trick
06:41<jm_>new version is not in testing yet
06:41<Ethaniel>So the print spooler is a package? Didn't know...
06:42<jm_>it must be if it's starting
06:42<jm_>find its startup message, grep for it in /etc/init.d -> find which package it is
06:43<jm_>(if it's not obvious from the message itself that is)
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06:44<jm_>that comes with several packages
06:44<Ethaniel>But those packages will be removed too, I guess.
06:45<jm_>no, I meant several packages provide lpd
06:46<Ethaniel>Oh, okay. Done and done, lpd is gone. No more spooler for me I hope.
06:47<Ethaniel>Is there a way to determine which packages I don't actually need? Something like disabling services in Windows...?
06:48<Ethaniel>I know that sounds weird but...
06:48<Ethaniel>... this "lpd" thing left me thinking about it.
06:48<jm_>how exactly does disabling services match figuring out what you don't need?
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06:49<Ethaniel>Well, Windows services have names like "Tablet PC support", and if I'm running a desktop....
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06:49<kesha>hi all
06:50<Ethaniel>... I'm not actually tapping the display with a stylus. A thing you can expect from Microsoft.
06:50<kesha>I can`t setup the Lenny
06:50<kesha>it writes: hda: dma_intr: status=0x58 {DriveReady SeekComplite DataRequest}
06:50<kesha>ide: fail opcode was: unknown
06:50<jm_>in that case find the services installed and figure out if you need it or not, sounds like a useless suggestion, but there's nothing that will automate this for you
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06:51<kesha>How can I install Lenny with it error ?
06:52<Ethaniel>Hmmmm, I would like know more about it (and remove a thing or two in the process), but my installation is working just fine so, I'll leave it be. Thanks, jm.
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06:53<jm_>Ethaniel: don't forget that when it comes to security it's always best to remove everything you don't need
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06:54<kesha>Is it possible with it error?
06:54<Ethaniel>But at this moment, not knowing enough about packages is keeping me behing. I just saw this "lpd" thing by chance.
06:54<jm_>kesha: do you also get "error=" line?
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06:54<Ethaniel>The descriptions made by Synaptic are vague in some cases.
06:55<Ethaniel>(and I prefer apt-get but that's another thing)
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06:55<jm_>well synaptic just shows what package maintainer put in :)
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06:56<Ethaniel>For example:
06:57<Ethaniel>"DHCP client"
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06:57<kesha>It takes at bootstrap the kernel
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06:57<Ethaniel>My network is configured manually, so in theory I don't need DHCP. Can I remove it?
06:57<ubd>i am newb. i just installed debian and have some questios. first how do i change the time ?
06:57<kesha>and system are dies
06:57<jm_>!tell ubd -about set time
06:58<jrodger>kesha: I am searching the error, seems issue with your initial partition/drive error.......will let you know if I find anything. Have you done the drive partitioning yet?
06:59<jm_>status= error= usually indicate hardware errors
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07:00<kesha>no, at disk are the FreeBSD - the previos setup
07:00<jrodger>Are you replacing bsd?
07:00<sangeetha>hi all
07:01<kesha>no. I can`t, the kernel dies at startup
07:01<sangeetha>how to include animation in splashy
07:01<Ethaniel>ubd: Do you have the correct timezone?
07:01<ubd>cool i fix the time ty
07:02<kesha>ok. thanks for all, I will be change disk
07:02<jm_>!tell wenr-yd -about cn
07:02<ubd>now another question\ how do i install nfs
07:02<Ethaniel>What's that? :O
07:03<jm_>what do you mean with "install nfs"?
07:03<kesha>bye all thanks a lot
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07:03<Ethaniel>Looks like I have a font missing, my chat window almost exploded. :P
07:03<wenr-yd>no chinese?
07:03<sangeetha>how to include animation in splashy
07:03<ubd>its network file server
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07:04<jm_>search for nfs server if you need that - for mounting it's already in the kernel
07:04<ubd>nfs-common is installed but should i install nfs-kernel-server idk
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07:05<Ethaniel>Okay, gotta get some sleep, worked all night. Take care everyone.
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07:12<fgh>updating from lenny to testing didnt solve the gnome-do problem, now what.. :(
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07:13<knoppix_>can someone help me config my tv chip to knoppix
07:13<jm_>fgh: i told you it's not in testing yet
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07:13*Guest591 help
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07:14<petemc>Guest591: #knoppix on freenode
07:14<Guest591>i cant config my tv chip to work with knoppix
07:15<Guest591>sorry im new to this
07:15<petemc>this channel is for debian support, knoppix isnt debian
07:15<Guest591>where is knoppix
07:15<petemc>see above
07:15<fgh>so jm_, at the moment there is no other way than update to sid?
07:16<stuckey>jm_: Thanks, but if you're refering to #511460 I believe it only pertains to the packages in experimental (or so is said in the bug report).
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07:16<jm_>fgh: well apart frm building it no
07:17<jm_>stuckey: it says the fix is in upstream which will be released in two months or somesuch
07:17<Guest591>this there pepole in knoppix room
07:17<stuckey>jm_: but I'm not using experimental... I'm using Lenny.
07:18<idebugthereforeiexist>jm_ : hey, sorry to bug you again, but i'm close to figuring this one out. i feel like i'm just missing something.
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07:18<jm_>stuckey: sounds like exactly the same issue though
07:18<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist: that didn't help?
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07:19<idebugthereforeiexist>at this point, i boot and it says it cant find the logical volume, i drops to busybox and i can use cryptsetup to decrypt sda2 and /sbin/lvm is then able to find the volume group using vgscan... but i dont know what to do next to get it to map that group to sda2 instead of sdb2 on boot
07:19<idebugthereforeiexist>i can't figure out how to boot the system so that i can use dpkg-reconfigure to update the initrd
07:20<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist: you can do it from some rescue disc
07:20<idebugthereforeiexist>well, unfortunately, the debian lenny rescue disk will mount the drive as sdb (doh!)
07:21<jm_>so in installer it's sdb, but when you boot it for real it's sda?
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07:21<idebugthereforeiexist>crazy eh>?
07:22<jm_>but i think you can also have lvm find it by uuid
07:22<idebugthereforeiexist>not sure how to do that tho
07:22<idebugthereforeiexist>i suck at lvm at the moment
07:22<jm_>i'd have to google it
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07:29<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist:, see 4.1.10.
07:29<idebugthereforeiexist>ah, thanks
07:29<idebugthereforeiexist>lemme see
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07:31<jm_>it says this shouldn't matter
07:31<idebugthereforeiexist>ok, so that presents a certain problem. it says lvm is resilient to drive number reordering, but in my instance, when it boots, it says it cant find the group, hence cryptsetup doesn't know what to decrypt
07:32<idebugthereforeiexist>so somewhere it is trying to find the volume group before lvm runs vgscan
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07:32<idebugthereforeiexist>(without decrypting the drive, vgscan finds nothing)
07:32<idebugthereforeiexist>what an intricate web this weaves
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07:33<jm_>perhaps the issue is with cryptsetup then?
07:34<idebugthereforeiexist>is possible, but i'm not sure where to look to get it to look else where
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07:35<miro18>de posse
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07:36<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist: initramfs has cryptopts that you can pass to kernel and it passed it to cryptsetup, alternatives, 'debug' will generate lots of debug info
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07:39<ast>Hello, i get this error when i startup my debian lenny installation my ARM SoC board
07:39<ast>Boot from Slackware 12.1 install CD or DVD with the usb drive connected
07:39<ast>to the PC.
07:39<ast>At the "Boot:" prompt, simply hit enter. This will load the defualt huge
07:39<ast>kernel image.
07:39<ast>At the "Keyboard:" prompt, do what you have to do. I simple hit enter
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07:39<ast>sorry, this wasnt my intention!
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07:40<ast>I get this error: ifup: failed to lock statefile /etc/network/run/ifstate: Permission denied
07:41<ast>this is at bootup... so it should executed as root, any idea?
07:41<jm_>you need to run ifup as root
07:41<idebugthereforeiexist>jm_ : what does cryptopts do?
07:41<ast>jm_: i am root
07:41<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist: man initramfs-tools explains it better than me
07:42<jm_>ast: another thing, this is actually stored in /dev/shm - perhaps your tmpfs is not mounted properly there
07:42<idebugthereforeiexist>jm_ : i've been able to isolate the problem to the file /conf/conf.d/cryptroot in the initramfs and thats where cryptsetup tries to mount from
07:42<ast>it appears once at bootup, and when i login as root and execute that: # /etc/init.d/networking restart it happens too
07:42<idebugthereforeiexist>ok, looking
07:42<ast>jm_: ah!
07:43<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist: right! cryptsetup has hooks in initramfs to add its own stuff, so it probably has it somewhere in /etc or so
07:43<idebugthereforeiexist>jm_ : so presumably i can override cryptroot with cryptopts
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07:43<jm_>ast: do you have /dev/shm mounted?
07:43<ast>Hm df -h shows: tmpfs 30M 0 30M 0% /dev/shm
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07:44<ast>I created the rootfs with deboostrap, therefor it could be a problem with /dev/shm
07:44<jm_>mount will show it too (and the flags)
07:44<ast>tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
07:45<jm_>looks fine to me
07:45<ast>Should i have a fstab entry for that?
07:45<ast>I've only proc added in fstab
07:47<jm_>naah, /etc/init.d/ does the trick
07:47<ast>Could it be a problem of the kernel? I compiled a custom kernel for that board
07:47<jm_>ast: hmm if you missed shm then mount would fail
07:48<jm_>ast: grep for SHM in your kernel config
07:48<ast>when i attach this root fs to a qemu machine, it works... I also use no initramfs for that board
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07:49<ast>CONFIG_SHMEM=y, but # CONFIG_TINY_SHMEM is not set
07:49<ast>at the qemu machine i use a stock kernel, with initrd
07:50<jm_>hmm what else would cause it
07:51<jm_>how about TMPFS?
07:52<jm_>is it the same for debian kernel?
07:53<jm_>and I am assuming it's got no selinux stuff
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07:54<ast>i've no debian stock kernel config at hand
07:54<jm_>you do, it's in /boot
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07:56<ast>no, my desktop is ubuntu atm and on arm you dont install kernels to the fs, you put it by yourself on a partation... i've no kernel from .deb here... i try it with disabled CONFIG_TMPFS_POSIX_ACL config
07:57<ast>hm, but ubuntu has it enabled...
07:57<jm_>ohh, probably some flash ram thing for the kernel
07:57<jm_>yeah I don't expect that to cause problems, but I really have no clue why this would fail
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07:59<CQ>anyone here use curlftpfs? it keeps erroring with a fsync() failed on vim (file is not written), errors on cp (fiel IS written) ... ?
07:59<jm_>ahh it's lock that fails, not file creation, I haven't paid enough attention
07:59<wakariera>i dual boot with xp and i want to get rid of XP completely is this possible
07:59<ast>Kernel without CONFIG_TMPFS_POSIX_ACL brings the same message
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08:00<jm_>wakariera: why wouldn't it be possible?
08:00<wakariera>how do i do it please tell me
08:00<wakariera>i really need space
08:00<dr|z3d>wakariera: It's possible, sure, though you need to make sure you don't nuke the bootloader if it's on the xp partition, or reinstall grub after you've nuked it.
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08:01<wakariera>i wanna know how to nuke it real bad any help
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08:02<dr|z3d>wakariera: Plenty. Google is your friend.. I've given you some pointers there.
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08:04<wakariera>anyone used fdisk before
08:04<amphi>seems unlikely
08:05<ast>wakariera: use cfdisk
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08:05<ast>jm_: What do you mean with somekind of flash ram problem? ATM i boot from a usb stick, but memory is on board...
08:06<ast>i've only 64mb, might that cause problems?
08:06<jm_>ast: naah, not a problem - that was just a guess on how you install a kernel on it
08:06<ast>What does ifup there exactly? is it a special file operation (lock)?
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08:06<jm_>it locks the file so another process can't modify it while it does its job
08:06<ast>I get the kernel over network (tftp)
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08:07<ast>jm_: is there a userspace tool to lock files that way? Just to do some tests.... Might the kernel not support that somehow?
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08:09<jm_>ast: well flock, mutt_dotlock, lockfile
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08:10<wakariera>once i have removed th windows partition how do i extend my linux partition?
08:10<jm_>ast: grep for FILE_LOCK in options
08:11<ast># CONFIG_FILE_LOCKING is not set
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08:12<jm_>be very careful when playing with any options shown to you when config_embedded is enabled
08:13<ast>jm_: I see! I would like to find the config in menuconfig... do you know a Symbol to "where is in kernel config" resolving tool?
08:14<jm_>ast: just use / to find it
08:14<ast>jm_: yeah, when i edit .config directly, but i want to find it in make menuconfig... :-)
08:14<jm_>ast: no, menuconfig has /
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08:14<jm_>yes, honestly
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08:15<ast>Wow, cool!
08:15<ast>would have saved me many minutes of config search :-)
08:15<ast>Thanks a lot!
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08:16<valdyn>wakariera: recreate it with the same starting point
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08:19<ast>jm_: I copied the config from a template, there were some other important things missing, but for this problem i searched more than two hours!
08:20<jm_>ast: would be obvious if I actually paid atention when reading the error message :)
08:20<dotirc06>je voudrais savoir si il fallait faire des partition séparé pour un hebergement mutualisé
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08:21<ast>yeah :-) at the end you now always what you should 've done better :-)
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08:22<ast>I just started the new kernel, it works! Thanks again!
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08:47<idebugthereforeiexist>jm_ : I got the damn thing working! ^_^
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08:47<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist: what was it?
08:49<idebugthereforeiexist>just so you know, when i did in the end was drop down to busybox, manually decrypt using cryptsetup and then type exit, to continue the boot process. edit /etc/crypttab and change it to point to sda2, run "dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools" and voila, reboot and it works
08:49<jm_>right, so the idea the issue was with cryptsetup and to find it somewhere in /etc was the right one ;)
08:49<idebugthereforeiexist>i was considering extracting initrd.img with gzip/cpio, editing the file and then repacking, but fortunately i didnt have to
08:49<idebugthereforeiexist>yeh, pretty much
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08:50<idebugthereforeiexist>but, i learned a lot more abut how these things work
08:50<idebugthereforeiexist>thanks very much for your help!
08:50<jm_>(it would help if I actually ever used lvm/cryptsetup/debian kernels)
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08:51<idebugthereforeiexist>hehe, well, i'm going to see if i can find when debian does it during the installer, so i can pre-empt it and change crypttab so i can skip that extra step
08:51<idebugthereforeiexist>if possible
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08:51<jm_>ahh if nothing else you can do it before it reboots (from tty2)
08:51<idebugthereforeiexist>and, if i have time, it would be nice to know why the heck it gets changed to sdb2 in the deb installer
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08:52<jm_>you can find which device is which by looking in /proc/partitions or by looking at files in /sys/block/sd*
08:52<idebugthereforeiexist>i dont suppose theres a very to get the deb installer to switch the devices around
08:53<idebugthereforeiexist>or maybe symlink sdb2 to sda2
08:53<idebugthereforeiexist>so the installer sees it the way it should
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09:13<blast_hardcheese>Where can I find information as to why lenny still doesn't have anything better than deluge-torrent
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09:13<blast_hardcheese>There are apparently reporting bugs in revisions prior to 1.0,
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09:13<petemc>stable doesnt ever get new software
09:13<petemc>fixes are backported to whatever version was around at the time testing was frozen
09:14<jm_>blast_hardcheese: because that was in stable when it was frozen etc.
09:14<jm_>uhm was in testing when it was frozen
09:14<blast_hardcheese>crap, I thought lenny would have the newer version.
09:14<blast_hardcheese>Installing from unstable wants to upgrade my libc6, not exactly pleased with that
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09:15<johnfg>hi guys
09:15<stew>blast_hardcheese: /msg dpkg ssb
09:16<blast_hardcheese>screw it, I'll just build from source.
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09:16<Cadmium01>I am using postfix to send mail. Which package do I need to configure server with DKIM, domainkeys?
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09:16<johnfg>For some reason, even though ntpd is installed, and it's checked in services, it doesn't update my time. Any ideas what's wrong?
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09:18<dr|z3d>johnfg: Have you checked your syslogs? Perhaps the server's timing out?
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09:19<johnfg>Nope, but I will. Thanks!
09:22<gsimmons>Cadmium01: dkimproxy or dkim-filter
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09:22<Cadmium01>gsimmons, they are both same?
09:22<gsimmons>Cadmium01: No, read their package descriptions.
09:23<Cadmium01>gsimmons, how do i do that ithout installing them first?
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09:27<gsimmons>Cadmium01: apt-cache show foo, aptitude show bar,, et al.
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09:32<ubd>how do i disable window manager satrt auto
09:32<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
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09:33<ubd>how do i find out which wm i have
09:33<petemc>you mean display manager?
09:33<petemc>cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
09:33<ubd>i know this is not gnome but idk what it is
09:34<jm_>update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
09:34<ubd>gdm ok
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09:35<ubd>ok which will i remove then lxde gdm or openbox
09:36<petemc>you asked how to stop having x windows started automatically?
09:36<petemc>so you just need to read what it says above
09:36<petemc>why are you talking about removing window manager?
09:37<petemc>what starts x windows is your display manager, you can remove it or use one of the above methods to have it not start
09:37<ubd>i have no idea what does windows manager stands for actually
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09:38<ubd>ok now i m going to write startx only right
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09:39<petemc>assuming you have the package that provides startx installed, sure
09:40<dpkg>X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap
09:40<ubd>ok another question
09:40*ranix slaps petemc with a large trout.
09:40<ubd>how do i get rid of shadow passwords thing
09:40<jm_>ubd: you don't want to
09:40<ubd>i need to opy psswd
09:41<jm_>copy it where?
09:41<ubd>windows machine
09:41<ranix>iirc passwords are a hash
09:41<ranix>if you don't know the key you don't turn the lock
09:42<ranix>in the past I have locked myself out of a system and solved that by replacing that line of shadow with a hash of a different password
09:42<ranix>basically "changing the lock"
09:42<jm_>copy passwords to windows? you mean the actual passwords?
09:42<ranix>but you aren't going to get the actual password out of shadow
09:42<ubd>cat /etc/passwd | grep ^user > ./passwd
09:42<ranix>unless it's very weak and you can rainbow table it
09:43<jm_>you can't get those, shadow or not
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09:43<ubd> is this compatible with shaodw passwds
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09:44<jm_>doing things that way is not a good idea, but yes, you can copy passwd and shadow lines manually
09:44<ranix>doubt windows would do anything meaningful with them
09:45<ubd>i believe shadow passwds cuase trouble for nfs
09:45<ubd>if its possible to get rid of it pls tell me
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09:49<debam>hi to all how to share printer over a network without samba?
09:49<mcrxds>for linux machines, you can use an IPP or LPD server. CUPS provides that.
09:50<mcrxds>there are other programs that implement IPP too.
09:51<debam>mcrxds, but my printer is connected to a system where debian install.
09:51<debam>using normal GUI it can be done?
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09:52<jm_>windows also supports ipp
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09:53<mcrxds>debam, install cups, there is a GUI. for it all. it will autodetect the printer if it's on USB or parallel, usually.
09:53<debam>jm_ on server i configured printer as local printer and want to share with other linux..any extra configuration i have to do?
09:53<mcrxds>CUPS is the normal program that gets installed for printers. There is a way in the GUI to permit it to be shared.
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09:53<mcrxds>tell other linux machines to install a network printer, point at machine with printer attached.
09:54<jm_>debam: just use cups on all systems
09:54<jm_>and allow them to connect
09:54<mcrxds>as jm_ says, you can tell windows to print directly with IPP. there are probably some +/- which I don't know about doing it that way vs samba.
09:54<debam>jm_ mcrxds, printer is detected but any extra configuration require to allow them to use?
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09:55<jm_>debam: I think it denies remote access by default, so you might need to enable it, but test it first
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09:56<debam>jm_ i have done using samba but at client side i am able to print only once after reboot
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09:57<debam>later printing it is stopped.
09:57<debam>jm_ mcrxds getting error for samba at client side as ession setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
09:58<debam>so i was trying another way to configure share printer
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09:59<jm_>debam: just use cups, it's simpler
10:00<debam>jm_ what should be given as URI?
10:01<debam>for cups at client side?
10:03<jm_>debam: edit /etc/cups/client.conf
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10:07<Cadmium01>What is syslog, and how do I check it?
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10:12<jm_>Cadmium01: man syslog ; apt-cache show rsyslog
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10:13<Cadmium01>jm_, thanks
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10:18<romaxmaniax>Hello guys, I have a problem with tgafb on lenny/alpha is this the good place to ask my question ?
10:19<dr|z3d>romaxmaniax: Sure. Just ask..
10:22<romaxmaniax>Well it's quite simple, I install lenny on two alpha systems with both a 21030 based video card via ttyS0 console. Once installed, modprobe tgafb gives me a blank screen ??? Any idea ?
10:22<jm_>does it still work after that?
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10:23<romaxmaniax>via ttyS0 console, yes.
10:23<Xeross>hey, i want to generate a ssl certificate for use with apache but without having to input everything manually
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10:23<Xeross>so i can let a script call it
10:23<jm_>then check if driver said anything (dmesg)
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10:26<romaxmaniax>I have no access to those systems now but if I remember well, the module just load OK without any error but still no framebuffer.
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10:27<jm_>you could trye vesa fb module(s)
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10:28<davi>What Debian image install on a Intel core i7? i386?
10:29<romaxmaniax>I'm not sure that vasa fb will work on a 21030
10:30<Hydroxide>davi: yes
10:30<davi>thanks Hydroxide
10:32<romaxmaniax>I have found a bug report #404485 . This is exactly what I have as problem but the bug report seems to be fixed.
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10:34<dondelelcaro>romaxmaniax: that's a bug report for d-i; unless you're having a problem with installing Debian, that won't help you. In any event, the solution is including the right modules in the initrd.
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10:37<romaxmaniax>dondelelcaro:I had to install both systems via serial console. No working tga framebuffer in the installer also.
10:38<dondelelcaro>romaxmaniax: ah, ok. It may not have been actually fixed. Feel free to unarchive and reopen that bug with more information
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10:40<romaxmaniax>dondelelcaro: That's strange... this is quite a old bug?
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10:41<romaxmaniax>dondelelcaro: I suspect a problem with the module it self or with fbcon...
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10:45<romaxmaniax>dondelelcaro: TGA is also quite old :-)
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11:25<Volk>Ïðèâåò âñåì
11:25<Volk>Åñòü âîïðîñ ïî WiFi
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11:30<pablo_>kien anda por ahi??
11:30<pablo_>hay alguien ahi???
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11:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:32<Cadmium01>I have this in my mail log: warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock
11:32<Cadmium01>but the file exists.. what am I doing wrong?
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11:32<Henry_Bean>hi, which is the package that draw windows in gnome? because I'm having a serious refresh/repaint issue and I don't know where to report this bug
11:32<Cadmium01>err.. warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock: No such file or directory
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11:39<nT4BR>hey guys, i can install debian lenny througt livecd?
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11:39<fgh>so, realy. it looks like there is no other way to get a newer version of gnome-do than to dist-upgrade from squeeze to sid?
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11:41<nT4BR>kurumin, hi ;D
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11:41<nT4BR>so, have one way to install debian lenny througt live cd?
11:41<chealer>nT4BR: not easily
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11:42<nT4BR>chealer, have one article about?
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12:01<knoppix_>hello is there anyone away in here today
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12:02<Guest612>I have tried several times to intall knoppix 5.3 onto my hard drive and it seems to take forever or maybe freeze up
12:02<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
12:02<Guest612>i do not have enough ram to load up Ubuntu 8.10 as there is only 256
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12:03<petern>ubuntu isn't debian either...
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12:04<Guest612>ok well is there a way to install debian without a cd, ie netinstall i have a live cd of linux and a eth connection
12:04<Guest612>is there a way i can install linus onto my HDD
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12:04<petern>linus himself?
12:05<ottoshmidt>Guest310, I guess USB is possible
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12:06<ottoshmidt>hi all, I am new to debian (use ubuntu mostly yet), and I can't install somth with super user
12:06<Guest612>is there a way to put a ISO onto a USB i have a 1gig usb drive and a vew smaller version on linux i have puppy and DreamLinux
12:06<ottoshmidt>I do sudo but I am told that my user is not in the sudoers file, never had deal with sudoers in ubuntu
12:06<Guest612>petern sorry i misspelled linux for linus
12:07<Guest612>have you tried -su
12:07<gravity>ottoshmidt: man visudo
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12:07<ottoshmidt>ok, man visudo
12:07<Guest612>gravity do you know how to burn a ISO to USB drive. to make it like a bootable CD
12:08<gravity>Guest612: There's a debian-installer image for USB thumbdrives and there should be documentation for using it in the manual, iirc
12:08<ottoshmidt>Guest310, there was a wiki for ubuntu install, have no idea for debian
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12:09<gravity>Guest612: If you're going to be installing Ubuntu instead of Debian though, go to #ubuntu on freenode. They'll help you there. The installers are pretty different, aiui
12:10<Guest612>the distro does not matter
12:10<gravity>Guest612: Actually it does
12:10<Guest612>it is an older box amd 1.2ghz but only with 256meg ram
12:10<gravity>Oh, I see what you mean
12:11<Guest612>i am saying i don't care what distro just one that i know will work so if you say debian is beter then that is fine, it will mainly be used to use my ATI tv tuner card to watch tv
12:11<Guest612>and mess with linux and get back into it
12:11<Guest612>till i cam find some old ram for it and up it to 3gigs
12:12<Guest612>but for some reason my live cd's wont install i have Knoppix 5.3 and i run the installer (yes i know not intended for HDD install-but there is an installer) and ubuntu hangs up. so i just want to load something on it so that way i can get it running for now
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12:15<Serenella>ciao ragazzi ho installato debian lenny 5.0 sul samsung nc10 ma ho un problema con la risoluzione grafica nel senso che ho il monitor config a 1024*600@60 bè ho problemi con la frequenza perchè lo schermo "sfarfalla" ed io non riesco a vedere il monitor bene. chi mi può aiutare?
12:15<Serenella>grazie in anticipo :)
12:15<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:16<Serenella>thank's :)
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12:17<ottoshmidt>bash: visudo: command not found
12:17<gravity>ottoshmidt: As root
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12:18<ottoshmidt>how, as root?
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12:19<gravity>slimjim: Speak in the channel please
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12:19<slimjim>sorry gravity)
12:19<slimjim>do you think a Xfce DE distro would be beter to use since the RAM is low
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12:23<kierah>anyone alive in here?
12:24<slimjim>i am but i am looking for help
12:24<slimjim>i might be able to help but doubt it
12:24<kierah>well, my question is pretty easy to answer i bet
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12:25<slimjim>well go head kierah
12:25<kierah>ive installed lenny from the dvd install binary, and now i want to wean my system off the dvd
12:25<gravity>slimjim: Probably, y es
12:25<kierah>how do i tell aptitude to use a source from the internet?
12:25<gravity>slimjim: Or don't even use that and use something really light like one of the *box or tiling wm's
12:25<stew>kierah: edit /etc/apt/sources.list (/msg dpkg sources.list)
12:26<kierah>yay ty
12:26<slimjim>it can run xfce and fluxbox, right now i am running knoppix live dvd 5.3 but limited on what i can do. I want to be able to install to the HDD and then use all the ram plus swap file. that way i can conf my ATI card and get sound out of my tv tuner
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12:30<slimjim>does anyone know if there is a network iso or instal that can be put on a pendrive (thumbdrive) and boot from it.
12:31<petemc>!usb install
12:31<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide , see "usb stick" section, for images. (Older, outdated articles and
12:31<ottoshmidt>why would I be told "permission denied", even if I have become root
12:31<petemc>ottoshmidt: no execute permissions
12:32<ottoshmidt>how to add those permissions?
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12:32<petemc>chmod +x
12:32<petemc>but it can be other things too, filesystem mounted noexec etc
12:32<ottoshmidt>but the file is on CD
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12:32<petemc>what are you trying to do?
12:32<slimjim>but how do i get the files onto the pen drive to begin with
12:33<petemc>slimjim: did you read the guides mentioned ?
12:33<ottoshmidt>cd to location an ./
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12:33<slimjim>let me go check them out
12:33<slimjim>sorry i did not see that post
12:33<petemc>ottoshmidt: you could try sh /path/to/
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12:34<ottoshmidt>how to sh with administrator?
12:35<petemc>do what?
12:35<petemc>are you sure theres no debian package of what you're trying to install
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12:35<ottoshmidt>oh, I meant sudo sh,
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12:36<ottoshmidt>now I am told to install GNU make
12:36<LostPlanet>how come when i start up the "irc" command it always tries to connect to first. can't i have it wait for me to specify a /server command ?
12:36<ottoshmidt>ok ok I'll google it
12:36<petemc>ottoshmidt: install build-essential
12:36<LostPlanet>i checked /etc/irc/servers and blanked that out, but it still tries
12:36<ottoshmidt>thanks all
12:37<stew>LostPlanet: which client are you using?
12:37<stew>LostPlanet: and which distro?
12:37<LostPlanet>client is ircII
12:38<LostPlanet>debian etch
12:38<kierah>are aptitude and synaptic pkg manager (in gnome) friends? is it unwise to use both interchangeably?
12:39<kierah>nvm, i found a diagram
12:39<LostPlanet>kierah : yes i think as long as you are not doing something unusual like setting up a testing - unstanble mix they can work together just fine
12:39<LostPlanet>where is this diagram ?
12:40<LostPlanet>i'd like to see it
12:40<kierah>ooh ty, one sec
12:40<LostPlanet>wow, that's quite a diagram
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12:41<kierah>i know, im positively filled with glee at how much less retarded this all is compared to windows sys admin
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12:42<LostPlanet>if you are coming from windows and have a negative opinion/ bias on linux you should probably stick with the GUI for a bit
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12:43<kierah>well, ive been a linux user for quite a while, so im hoping i have enough background to make sane decisions w/ apt
12:44<kierah>(we'll see)
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12:44<LostPlanet>use aptitude
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12:44<slimjim>ok i am going thur the walk thur. i am going to gedit the jump drive should i make it ext3 file system with partion editor in order to format it
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12:44<kierah>will do LostPlanet, ty
12:45<LostPlanet>stew -- any ideas on my ircII automatically connecting up ?
12:45<LostPlanet>also i seem to get a no route to host error a lot that i didn't used to get
12:45<LostPlanet>when connecting to
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12:45<LostPlanet>using default port of 6667 i think
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12:46<LostPlanet>kierah : you know that diagram makes things more complicated than they need to be because you dont' need all the stuff in there. i would search on debian's website for documentation on aptitude / package mangement and see whta you can find
12:46<LostPlanet>they might have some nice overviews of how things work
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12:46<LostPlanet>also that diagram might be outdated
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12:47<kierah>might be, but it was linked from /msg dpkg apt
12:48<LostPlanet>did you also look at the /msg dpkg aptitude ?
12:48<kierah>no not yet
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12:49<LostPlanet>also in that document are other sections on aptitude . section 6.2 is "beginning debian package management"
12:50<LostPlanet>i admit i sometimes find aptitude a bit frustrating when trying to "find" a package that i dont know the name of
12:50<LostPlanet>i think there is a command line tool for searching, but i'm not familiar with it. sometimes i use the GUI synaptics package manger to search
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12:52<LostPlanet>okay. i'm heading out for a bit . later all.
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12:57<slimjim>okay making headway, i got the s3 micro cruzier as a reg pen drive, and following the guide. if i get stumped will ask for help thanks for all the help
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13:04<slimjim>ok i got it thanks everyone for all your help
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13:06<ottoshmidt>Please install the build and header files for your current Linux kernel.
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13:06<ottoshmidt>I already did build-essentials and what is header files?
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13:06<stew>ottoshmidt: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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13:07<ottoshmidt>bash: linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686: command not found
13:07<amjad>Is there a way to see the settings for apache like we have for postfix ie postconf -n
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13:08<stew>ottoshmidt: that's the name of the package to install, not a command to run
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13:11<ottoshmidt>stew, thanks mate
13:12<stew>you're welcome
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13:20<christoph>hm seems root's crontab is not run (or at least the part I'M interested in) on my system. where can I investigate?
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13:22<d3co>someone know default users in tomcat? :)
13:22<d3co>on lenny
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13:29<Cadmium01>isnt that th edamnest thing? I get " warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock: No such file or directory" , but the file exists and service is started...
13:30<Cadmium01>netstat -an | fgrep LISTEN shows: unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 68356854 /var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock
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13:34<kierah>did you get the warning while starting up the service?
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13:34<kierah>sry, that last question was directed at cadmium01
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13:45<Cadmium01>kierah, no no warnings
13:45<Cadmium01>postfix cant access it for some reason
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13:52<Cadmium01>How can I make dkim-filter listen to lcolhost ovet TCP instead of unix socket?
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13:58<Cadmium01>Debian README says "As an alternative, you may opt to connect to the filter over TCP. The
13:58<Cadmium01>filter can be bound to localhost to prevent other hosts from accessing it"
13:58<Cadmium01>How do I do that?
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14:01<fxiny>Cadmium01: is it amavis-milter ?
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14:02<Cadmium01>fxiny, the package name is dkim0filter
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14:04<fxiny>Cadmium01: no idea then . to bound to localhost edit
14:04<fxiny>mynetworks and inet_interfaces
14:04<Cadmium01>dkim-filter seems to be another service
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14:04<Cadmium01>it creates unix socket service
14:04<christoph>anyone? the crontab for root works here for all commands but the one I just added :-/
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14:05<christoph>the command runs fine and path is set up in the crontab
14:05<fxiny>Cadmium01: i did once with clamsmtp
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14:07<fxiny>christoph: how do we guess what you added to crontab ?
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14:07<fxiny>can't find a suitable BOFH chapter :P
14:07<pablo>hi, some packages depend on gconf only to load a schema file. is there a solution for packagers to avoid that dependency?
14:08<christoph>fxiny, an self-made shell-script
14:08<christoph>dumping some stuff for later data-mining
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14:09<fxiny>christoph: i have plenty of scripts like that
14:10<fxiny>christoph: just dumpuing or displaying it at screen ?
14:10<christoph>fxiny, I need some regular output
14:10<christoph>or want ...
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14:11<christoph>and the script is running as it should but it seems to not even be tried in crontab
14:11<fxiny>christoph: any error messages mailed to you ?
14:12<christoph>fxiny, nothing
14:12<christoph>and the mailsetup works for sure
14:12<christoph>the crontab for another user mails me without trouble
14:13<fxiny>christoph: can you run it manually ?
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14:13<christoph>fxiny, the script? yes it runs succesfully and does what is wanted
14:14<fxiny>christoph: can you type the crontab line ?
14:14<fxiny>it doesn't matter the script name
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14:15<christoph>fxiny, it's solved I missed the fact that emacs in contrast to vi does not automatically append an \n at files and cron does not like crontabs without empty lines at it's end
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14:16<fxiny>christoph: i am a emacs user but i never ever use emacs for editing configs : i use *only* vim
14:17<christoph>fxiny, may be more sensible
14:17<christoph>server setup vs local setup should change at least one
14:18<christoph>independent from what's best having 2 different things is just insane
14:18<fxiny>christoph: you forgot "crontab -e" ?
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14:18<christoph>I was using crontab -e
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14:18<christoph>but EDITOR was emacs there
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14:19<fxiny>no way
14:19<fxiny>i keep vim
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14:19<fxiny>christoph: vim :q! is handy
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14:20<fxiny>and when something goes wrong i just grep for the nasty little "i"
14:21<fxiny>christoph: i added haskell-mode just today
14:21<christoph>for which one?
14:21<christoph>I'm mostly usong markdown mode or slime
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14:24<fxiny>christoph: have you tryed org-mode ?
14:24<fxiny>i do everything with it
14:24<DimkaS>Hello. What happened to Testing?
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14:24<DimkaS>Error showing url: Operation not supported
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14:25<fxiny>DimkaS: xmonad-open ->>bash: xmonad-open: command not found :P
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14:26<fxiny>DimkaS: :)
14:26<DimkaS>that's another case
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14:27<chealer>DimkaS: your question is too vague to be answered
14:28<DimkaS>it is. Just trying to find out if anyone met same problem
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14:38<Cadmium01>this is great... now I cant copy a file lol
14:38<Cadmium01>sudo cp dkim-filter.sock /var/spool/postfix/var/run/dkim-filter/
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14:38<Cadmium01>file is there though srwxrwxr-x 1 dkim-filter dkim-filter 0 2009-03-18 10:53 dkim-filter.sock
14:39<Cadmium01>what's the s in front of this file? srwx ?
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14:39<Cadmium01>is this a symblink?
14:39<Cadmium01>ls -l does not show
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14:40<ranix>A simlink shows as -> (target)
14:40<ranix>do a ln -s target linkname
14:40<ranix>and then a ls -l
14:41<ranix>you'll see it
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14:42<Cadmium01>ranix, no I just want to copy file
14:43<Cadmium01>103384242 srwxrwxr-x 1 dkim-filter dkim-filter 0 2009-03-18 10:53 dkim-filter.sock
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14:43<Cadmium01>this is a regular file right?
14:43<Cadmium01>trying to cpy it
14:43<djc>yes the S means that file is a symlink
14:43<djc>its not a symlink
14:43<djc>its a socket
14:43<djc>its not a file
14:44<djc>l would be symlink
14:44<djc>!named pipe
14:44<dpkg>hmm... socket is Normally, it's where your limbs are attached to, as in "I'm going to rip your arm out of the socket." In network speak, a socket is composed of an IP address and a port number. For example, a socket could be " port 80." See also TCP/IP and ports.
14:44<djc>dpkg, oh you're a lot of help
14:44<dpkg>no idea, djc
14:44<fxiny>Cadmium01: is a socket . s is setuid
14:44<djc>no, s as the first character is 'socket'
14:45<djc>er.. ywah
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14:45<djc>misread what you said
14:45<fxiny>oh f*
14:45<fxiny>djc: true
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14:45<djc>Cadmium01, in other words, mainly, you cant copy it, it isnt a file
14:45<fxiny>ranix: i'm intoxicated by Cadmium :P
14:45<Cadmium01>fxiny, how do I move that damn socket to a different place
14:45<djc>not a good idea
14:45<ranix>sounds dangerous
14:46<ranix>Cadmium is a heavy metal
14:46<djc>whatever put it there expects to write to it there
14:46<ranix>whoops my mistake
14:46<ranix>it is a transition metal
14:46<ranix>probably still not good to become intoxicated on
14:46<djc>to move it, tell whatever sw is using it to put it somewhere else
14:46<Cadmium01>djc, Debian manual tells me I need to move it to postfix chroot
14:47<djc>and probably, postfix will recreate it in the choot environment
14:47<Cadmium01>dkim-filter Debian readme
14:47<djc>in that case
14:47<djc>if you really need to make it yourself
14:47<djc>man mkfifi
14:47<djc>but really, its best to let applications that want to use fifo's to make them on their own
14:48<djc>(fifo=socket=named pipe)
14:48<Cadmium01>djc, I am so tired of trying to do a simple thing like this, exhausted, 3 hours streight strgle...
14:48<djc>why chroot postfix?
14:48<Cadmium01>I dont know
14:48<djc>unless you are running an ISP or webhost, there isnt really any need to
14:49<Cadmium01>I havent done anything
14:49<djc>why running postfix anyway?
14:49<Cadmium01>I installed postfix
14:49<djc>debian defaults to exim
14:49<fxiny>why not ? i run postfix
14:49<Cadmium01>then I installed dkim-filter and cant get it to use the damn socket
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14:49<Cadmium01>Debian readme tells me I need to move it to chroot
14:49<djc>unless you already know (something other than the default MTA) and have some specific reason to use it, id just stick with default
14:49<djc>mv might work
14:50<djc>you said you were trying to copy
14:50<fxiny>Cadmium01: grep damned configs for the socket path first
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14:50<fxiny>maybe you can change it
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14:51<fxiny>path and name
14:51<Cadmium01>fxiny, I did, it's pointing to the right onw, but postfix is chroooted and wont access it
14:51<djc>well.. if the effective chrooted path matches the non-chrooted path, it shlould be fine
14:51<fxiny>Cadmium01: change it then
14:51<Cadmium01>fxiny, change what?
14:51<djc>becuase the chrooted prog will not see the parent dirs
14:51<fxiny>djc: you found the conf with the socket name ?
14:51<djc>try moving the whole containing directory, rather than its contents
14:51<Cadmium01>djc, right, so I want to move the socket into chroot
14:51<fxiny>or path ?
14:52<djc>fxiny, me?
14:52<Cadmium01>let me try entire folder
14:52<fxiny>djc: sorry tab f* completion
14:52<djc>Cadmium01, you understand what chroot means?
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14:52<djc>if you chroot an app to /foo/bar/baz, then when its running chrooted, it sees that as "/"
14:52<Cadmium01>it's a mini filetytte, like root specificaly for postfix, right?
14:53<Cadmium01>djc, right
14:53<fxiny>Cadmium01: it makes no sense moving a file , find out who made it first
14:53<djc>so if you have /var/path/something/file.txt
14:53<djc>and you run chroot to /var/path/
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14:53<djc>then anything in that chroot would see /something/fiile.txt
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14:53<Cadmium01>djc, right
14:53<djc>without the extra i. of course
14:53<djc>unless you've enabled the i-doubling mode of chroot
14:53<Cadmium01>/var/spool/postfix/ <- is postfixes chroot firectory
14:54<djc>why were you running postfix in chroot, again?
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14:54<Cadmium01>I wasnt , it's a debian package set that way
14:55<Cadmium01>I want to move /var/run/dkim-fileter/ to /var/spool/postfix/var/run/dkim-filter/
14:55<djc>so do that
14:55<Cadmium01>it wont work
14:55<djc>mv /var/run/dkim-filter /var/spool/postfix
14:55<Cadmium01>folder contains .sock file that wont move
14:55<djc>mv /var/run/dkim-filter /var/spool/postfix/var/run/
14:55<djc>you try the command exactly like that?
14:55<djc>you might need to stop postfix while you move it
14:55<Cadmium01>djc, actually I tried cp -R
14:56<djc>cp = copy
14:56<djc>mv = move
14:56<Cadmium01>cp each file one by one
14:56<djc>use mv
14:56<djc>1 stop postfix (or pause it, or something)
14:56<djc>2. mv /var/run/dkim-filter /var/spool/postfix/var/run/
14:56<fxiny>/var/spool/postfix/var/ ?
14:56<djc>then restart postfix
14:57<djc>cd /var/run; mv dkim-file /var/spool/postfix/var/run/
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14:57<djc>then it will appear as /var/run/dkim-filter to postfix, in the chrooted environment
14:58<fxiny>Cadmium01: where's this damned milter ? pachage name ?
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14:59<Cadmium01>fxiny, dkim-filter
14:59<Cadmium01>mv: cannot move `/var/run/dkim-filter' to `/var/spool/postfix/var/run/': No such file or directory
15:00<Cadmium01>ls /var/run/dkim-filter/ works...
15:00<djc>mkdir //var/spool/postfix/var/run/
15:00<djc>wait,that should exist
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15:00<djc>doesnt it?
15:00<Cadmium01>it did I deleted proipr to your mv command
15:00<djc>ok /var/spool/postfix/var/run/ has to exist first
15:01<djc>/var/run is part of the chrooted environment
15:01<fxiny>Cadmium01: two packages , lemme see them : -d downloading
15:02<Cadmium01>djc, moved, let me rstart postdix and see
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15:02<Cadmium01>djc, I will need to start /etc/init.d/dkim-filter start too, now that I moved sockets, will it break?
15:03<djc>Cadmium01, who knows
15:03<Cadmium01>lol, let me try start everything
15:03<djc>i dont efven know what it is. but if its not also running chroot, then probably
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15:05<fxiny>Cadmium01: found it
15:05<fxiny>i won a plastic bag
15:05<Cadmium01>djc, ook, now I get permission denied in mail.log, this is good, I need to change some grops
15:05<Cadmium01>fxiny, what did you find?
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15:06<fxiny>Cadmium01: from the package i -d downloaded --> /etc/default/dkim-filter
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15:06<Cadmium01>Postfix users who wish to access the dkim-filter service via UNIX socket
15:06<Cadmium01>(the default) may need to add the postfix user to the dkim-filter
15:06<Cadmium01>group and ensure that UMask is set to 002 in /etc/dkim-filter.conf, in
15:06<Cadmium01>order to make the socket readable by Posfix.
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15:06<Cadmium01>thought it was 2 ines
15:07<fxiny>Cadmium01: read that file
15:07<fxiny>no more excuses
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15:07<fxiny>uncomment to specify an alternate socket :P
15:08<Cadmium01>oh my god...
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15:08<Cadmium01>fxiny, how did you find it?
15:08<Cadmium01>I mean, I usually dont know what to look for
15:08<fxiny>Cadmium01: i'm reading it with mc , too lazy to unpack it :P
15:08<Cadmium01>how are you reading and what?
15:09<fxiny>Cadmium01: i'l reading the package
15:09<fxiny>Cadmium01: you want me to unpack it ? :P
15:09<Cadmium01>I meant to say how did you discover that that was the file where sockets were indicated?
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15:10<Cadmium01>sucks to be newb
15:10<fxiny>Cadmium01: because is logic
15:14<fxiny>Cadmium01: when you go in any sites looking for info on unusual things , you always read : "if you are running debian install <packagename>" while all fetoras alike are into deep s* dowloading stuff and banging heads . then you read configs and you see that someone knows better and does it better.
15:15<fxiny>clear as water
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15:18<Cadmium01>useradd -G dkim-filter postfix <- this will add postfix user to dkim-filter group right?
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15:26<bertodsera>Hi all! I have a problem with apt-get update. Everything used to work just fine for a year or so, today I suddenly get a message saying "W: GPG error: stable Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'". See
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15:27<bertodsera>I'm obviously running as root, I have the debian-keyring in place (never had before, just installed it thinking it might help, it didn't)
15:27<bertodsera>I see the keys (some 195 of them) when I do a list
15:28<maxb>Does /etc/apt/trusted.gpg exist?
15:28<bertodsera>and the keyrhing file is absolutely in place on the public remote rep
15:28<bertodsera>sec... checking
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15:29<bertodsera>nope, missing
15:29<bertodsera>how do I create it?
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15:31<maxb>cp /usr/share/apt/debian-archive.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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15:32<maxb>apt-key update
15:32<bertodsera>BTW, I have to excuse myself: the #debian channel I was in before was on frenode. I thought it was here, but it actually wasn't
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15:35<amjad>how do I exclude dir from tarring/
15:35<amjad>I want to tar a dir but want to exclude some withing that dir
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15:36<Hydroxide>amjad: --exclude
15:36<Hydroxide>amjad: check exact usage in the man page or via google.
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15:37<amjad>Hydroxide, it gives me tar: --exclude: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
15:37<bertodsera>tnx :) much better now... but still on error:
15:37<Hydroxide>amjad: yeah. you have to tell it what directory to exclude
15:37<amjad>I am using --exclude "path_to_dir"
15:38<bertodsera>I have to add one thing. Upon importing the keyring from /usr/share gpg hang and I had to terminate it manually
15:38<bertodsera>maybe something got lost?
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15:38<bertodsera>I see loads of keys and it said it had imported 195 of them before getting stuck
15:39<amjad>Hydroxide, works now, was using the option after the dir to backup
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15:41<bertodsera>maxb: what I did id "apt-get install debian-keyring" && "gpg --import /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg". The first time I tried to list the keys it hang. Then I resterted it with time and it made it in some 5-6 minutes. Very CPU intensive, though
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15:42<maxb>bertodsera: There's two things wrong with that
15:42<maxb>First, debian-keyring is the keyring of Debian Developers, *not* the keyring of archive signing keys - that's debian-archive-keyring
15:43<bertodsera>LOL, how dumb of me :)
15:43<maxb>Second, gpg --import imports to a user's keyring, not to apt's keyring
15:44<bertodsera>so lotsa how-to online should be corrected :) so okay, I install debian-archive-keyring, how do I import into apt's, then?
15:44<maxb>"apt-key update"
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15:44<maxb>but the mere act of installing debian-archive-keyring should run that for you anywa
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15:45<bertodsera>tnx :) I'll keep this channel forever open :) You have been of great help :)
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15:48<redsolo>Need some help upgrading my kernel, when upgrading using aptitude, i get the following error when upgrading:
15:48<redsolo>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-13_i386.deb (--unpack): failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.ko': No space left on device
15:48<dpkg>redsolo: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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15:49<redsolo>and if I check my drives, i got at least 32mbs (which would be enough, right?)
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15:51<stew>judd: info linux-image-2.6.26
15:51<stew>judd: info linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
15:51<judd>stew: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 (admin): is optional; Version: 2.6.26-13; Size: 19775.4k; Installed: 58232k -- Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
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15:52<stew>redsolo: Installed: 58232k > 32mb
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15:53<redsolo>steq: ok, so its just a problem with size...
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15:54<losinggeneration>in testing, is libgecko2.0-cil broken? (it depends on libxul which AFAIK has been removed in favor of xulrunner)
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15:57<kannan>i am kannan.....
15:59<jello>!greet kannan
15:59<dpkg>Gr33tz, kannan
15:59<kannan>hi i am from india
15:59<kannan>u guys
15:59<kannan>i have a doubt
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16:01<kannan>i am install lenny..but GUI is not come
16:02<kannan>help me
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16:16<Lazha>when I ctrl+a , ctrl +d in screen I get an error "Command type mis-match. How can I fix that ?
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16:25<kierah>lazha, do you have any keybinds defind in your screenrc?
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16:28<kierah>does anyone have experience setting up CUPS and Samba to share a local printer with remote windows boxes?
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16:30<deniz>is there a gnome-art equivalent for kde?
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16:32<patrjzja76>ciao a tutti
16:32<dpkg>one warez list being sent to patrjzja76
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16:35<bambix>hi all
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16:35<bambix>mind if i ask a question?
16:35<bambix>i installed mysecureshell but it didn create a sftp_config file
16:36<bambix>now i can connect because there is no sftp_config
16:37<Cadmium01>what is mysecureshell?
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16:37<Cadmium01>openssh isnt good enough?
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16:37<bambix>mysecureshell is ftp over ssh
16:37<bambix>i just followed a tutorial, Iḿ no expert
16:38<Cadmium01>is it a debian package?
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16:38<Cadmium01>how did you install it/.
16:38<bambix>used the .deb file
16:38<bambix>dpkg -i
16:38<dpkg>bambix: i don't know
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16:39<Cadmium01>bambix, are you familiar with apt-get program?
16:39<bambix>i had to add a source for it though
16:39<Cadmium01>I recommend you use apt-get and install everything from apt rather than random deb packages
16:39<kop>I'm trying to run an suid program from php (apache module) and it does not seem to be suid-ing. Can't I do this?
16:39<Cadmium01>and there is no secure ftp packages in regular repos?
16:39<bambix>ok... so there is no quick way to get a sftp_config file from you guys?
16:40<Cadmium01>bambix, I dont know what that is so, probably not from me
16:40<bambix>i googled sftp debian and it came up with mysecureshell
16:40<Cadmium01>use apt-cache search
16:40<bambix>ehm ok
16:40<Cadmium01>use apt-cache search sftp
16:41<bambix>doing so as we speak
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16:41<bambix>ok it found the mysecureshell
16:41<bambix>but not the config file?
16:42<kierah>bambix, i believe you can also use dpkg-reconfigure (see man dpkg-reconfigure) to repeat the config sequence that happened when you installed the package
16:43<bambix>ahw this is bollox Iḿ apt-get removing mysecureshell, wich one did you suggest again (for secure ftp over ssh?)
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16:44<kop>bambix : You have a reason why you're not simply using scp?
16:44<Konigwolf>Hey guys.
16:45<bambix>honestly no
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16:45<Konigwolf>this is weird.
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16:45<bambix>ok hereś the situation, Iǘe got a nas with ftp but itś not very secure, so i did a small install of debian in vmware server 2 to bring up a secure ftp server
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16:46<Konigwolf>Anyone know the reason I can't download from the apt server?
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16:46<Konigwolf>Nevermind.. Figured it out.
16:46<bambix>what would be the way to go to create a secure ftp server from debian to an external ftp?
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16:46<bambix>I was thinking I mount the ftp server it supports nfs if need be
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16:47<bambix>any tips?
16:47<adama>bambix: Install linux on the NAS, that's what I did
16:47<adama>now I use rsync :D
16:47<kop>bambix : Ftp is insecure. If you use sftp then that's served by the standard sshd ssh server.
16:47<kierah>bambix, youre going in the right direction
16:48<bambix>install linux on the nas? itś a dedicated nas
16:48<kierah>bambix, openssh is pretty standard
16:48<bambix>Ive got libssl
16:48<adama>bambix: the server (the NAS) needs to be running an SSHD
16:48<adama>to use scp or sftp
16:48<bambix>i can install anything on it, itś embedded
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16:48<bambix>no console just a webinterface
16:49<adama>bambix: you'd be surprised. what is the model of your NAS?
16:49<bambix>buffalo terrastationpro
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16:52<kierah>bambix, if you're able to install an ssh daemon (openssh includes one), you should be able to use a program like putty to open an ssh tunnel from a windows machine to your nas. and then you can ftp (or any kind of file transfer) over that tunnel however you like
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16:52<kierah>and it will be secure
16:53<bambix>ok, but it would be nice if i could just use something like filezilla as a client
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16:53<bambix>instead of doing it command line
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16:54<kierah>i havent personally set this sort of thing up w/o using putty to tunnel, so i dont have all the details, but that should be possible
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16:57<bambix>Iĺl figure something out, thanks for the help
16:57<kierah>good luck
16:57<Konigwolf>Hmm, any way possible to have complete anonymity, on IRC? I understand this is the Debian Channel, but I was just wondering.
16:58<adama>not possible, the bottom line is that FTP is insecure and that is all your NAS provides. You may be able to find out how to install linux on your NAS, which will let you do what you want. I have a Linksys NAS200 which I installed Linux on for that reason.
16:59<adama>Konigwolf: you could try something like tor or some anonymizing proxy
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17:00<Konigwolf>Hmm, that I can run through IRC?
17:00<adama>I don't know
17:00<adama>how it works
17:01<dr|z3d>You can run IRC over Tor, sure, but plenty of networks ban Tor use.
17:01<dr|z3d>(This one doesn't).
17:01<Konigwolf>I see that.
17:02<dr|z3d>Please chat to me here, Konigwolf, not via pm.
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17:03<Konigwolf>Well, what would you reccomend, then other than tor. I don't know how to connect irc through a proxy :/
17:04<QPrime>tor is nice, but there are known attacks against it (most of which require network coordination). don't trust it for strong anonymity.
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17:09*action09 hi
17:10<DrRoboto>thank the Debian devs that they kept KDE 3.5 available for Lenny
17:11<DrRoboto>Unlike the Ubuntu devs, who tore KDE 3.5 out of Intrepid :(
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17:12<DrRoboto>lol, its fun running lenny from within a XP VMWare VM
17:13<tom112>Hey. `vrms` claims nvidia-glx is a "Non-free package with status other than installed". I presumably removed it rather than purging. How can I purge it?
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17:13<tom112>`apt-get purge` doesn't do it, since it's not installed. I could reinstall it and then purge it, but is there a nicer/shorter solution?
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17:14<stew>tom112: dpkg -P packagename or aptitude purge packagename
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17:15<tom112>stew: Thank you. :)
17:15<stew>you're welcome
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17:16<valdyn>tomaw: apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx
17:16<valdyn>tomaw: uh, or if that dosent work, dpkg --purge or aptitude purge
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17:26<jolteon_>Well I got it to work on my Laptop.
17:26<jolteon_>Thank you with the advice about Tor.
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17:31<kop>I'm having a pbkac moment. I've a suid shell script, the permissions are -rwsr-xr--, yet when I add the "id" command to the script it tells me my identity has not changed. What's wrong here?
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17:32<lygiaclark>ai, fudeu
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17:36<kop>djc: Thanks very much. I'll take a look. I _knew_ something was borked.
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17:37<djc>actually thats not a very good explanation of why
17:38<djc>but they key bit, is that 'most modern OS dont allow it'
17:38<djc>eg, "you cant"
17:38<kop>djc : Sure it is. Shell sucks.
17:38<djc>but more at the core, the binary running your script (/bin/sh) isnt suid root
17:38<kop>djc : Now I recall years ago writing a perl wrapper so I could suid.
17:38<djc>nor should it be
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17:39<djc>even perl has to have a special perl interpreter
17:39<djc>marked suid
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17:39<kop>djc : Makes sense.
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17:40<kop>djc : Happen to know if python will suid?
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17:43<djc>i doubt it
17:43<djc>suid interpreted languages are generally a bad idea
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17:44<djc>dare I ask what you are trying to do that you need a suid script for?
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17:45<kop>djc : I've a web interface to a certificate authority database. I can secure the path to the webserver, but don't want the server (in general) to have access to the certificate authority key.
17:45<kop>djc: It runs on a secure network, but I don't care. I want the ca key secure.
17:46<djc>does it need to return instant results?
17:46<kop>djc : Kinda sorta. What are you thinking?
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17:46<djc>eg, could you have a 'queue', where the webserver puts a 'job' in a spool directory, then a cronjob (running under the appropriate user) checks every 5 minutes for new jobs and runs them?
17:47<kop>djc: That's an excellent idea. I can use incron. (maybe)
17:48<djc>you'd probably want the queue runner to sanity check the jobs, perhaps even a bit anal-retentively, make sure all the i's are dotten and t's are crossed in the 'job' submission
17:48<djc>its a technique ive used in the past
17:49<djc>cant quite remember what for at the moment, its been a while
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17:49<djc>be sure to escape all user submitted or otherwise untrusted inputs
17:49<djc>quote everything
17:50<kop>djc: The only trick would be returning status codes.
17:50<kop>djc: Right. Never trust the user. Ever.
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17:50<djc>detect and/or strip all non-desired characters
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17:50<kop>djc : I'm not going to execute general commands. Just specific operations from a limited available set.
17:51<djc>email? or even perhaps expose a bit of the fact that its a 'queue', and let the user refresh the browser to see if there is an update to the status of their job?
17:51<kop>djc: So my command interpreter can ignore anything it does not understand. But, how _would_ I get results back to the user?
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17:51<djc>"Your request is being processed. Your job id is D9R67. Please refresh to check if your job is complete"
17:51<djc>or something
17:52<djc>use language appropriate for what you are doing
17:52<S3v3N>Hello. I configured oidentd and psybnc right but now i have question. What to change that oident will use the ident of psybnc not the user as ident in debian. Please help.
17:52<kop>djc : I can have the web script wait on a lock before returning results.... Then maybe I wait one second for the lock to be taken before waiting?.....
17:52<djc>perhaps give them an ETA, based on the cron interval and the number of jobs waiting?
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17:53<kop>djc: The program doing the work can release the lock when it's done;
17:53<djc>each cron interval coudld process all waiting jobs, so it wouldnt be a multiple
17:53<djc>well, depends on how long you expect them to wait.. standard cron min interval is one minute
17:53<kop>djc: Incron is triggered by filesystem events.
17:53<djc>be better to let...
17:53<djc>im not familiar with that
17:54<djc>it would seem more responsive if it let them refresh
17:54<djc>and/or include an auto refresh
17:54<kop>djc: Me neither. But I happened to "aptitude search cron" the other day and it turned up.
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17:54<djc>and then the webserver could look for results in a similar type of queue
17:54<djc>output queue
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17:54<djc>perhaps a hybrid
17:55<djc>have it look for instant results, but if it doesnt complete within 5 seconds, then tell them to wait and refresh
17:55<kop>djc: I can wait on a lock and timeout if necessary.
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17:56<S3v3N>Hello. I configured oidentd and psybnc right but now i have question. What to change that oident will use the ident of psybnc not the user as ident in debian. Please help.
17:56<kop>djc: (Or I hope I can. I hate php.)
17:56<djc>Ive done quite a bit of php... its been a while tho ;)
17:57<djc>not to much fs access tho.. mainly db
17:57<djc>cgi in bash
17:57<kop>djc: I'm switching to python.
17:57<kop>S3v3N : Dunno what any of that is, but man nsswitch.conf might possibly help.
17:57<djc>im installing incron.. im intrigued.. no use on my workstation, but something to play with
17:58<djc>kop, not likely.. thats about resolving hostnames
17:58<djc>not ident
17:58<kop>djc : It's also about user databases.
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17:58<djc>i dont think it has anything to do with ident tho
17:58<stew>S3v3N: if you use an ident server like nullidentd you can make it say whatever you want
17:59<S3v3N>maybe you don't understand me look...
17:59<djc>besides, helping people into pretending they are being anonymous on irc isnt my schtick.. if you cant figure it out, you dont get to pretend to be anonymous
17:59<k>hi, im trying to manage my open windows -- specifically trying to resize them proportionally such that if for example i have 4 windows open, they each occupy equal space on the screen (one in each corner) is there a way ic an do this with ease?
17:59<stew>S3v3N: do you actually care to try to give accurate ident information?
17:59<S3v3N>oidentd works fine but the problem is that oidentd uses user in debian as ident not the ident from psybnc, understand?
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18:00<djc>k, thats dependent on your window manager, if it supports such a function
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18:00<S3v3N>i need oidentd because i have trust on quakenet...
18:00<djc>I rarely use anything but full screen windows
18:00<djc>but I have 10 'virtual' X consoles
18:01<kop>djc: I prefer 80 column xterms.
18:01<djc>kop thats probably about what mine are.. maybe a bit wider
18:01<k>djc i was hoping there would be some featuer in compiz
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18:02<djc>k, i dont know anything about compiz, or what it is. if its a window manager, try reading its documentation
18:02<amphi>k: easy in xmonad ;)
18:02<djc>kop, ok, I lied 150 or so cols
18:02<djc>fonts smaller than I thought
18:02<djc>xchat font is bigger
18:03<kop>djc : Way too wide for the eye to track back to the next line with ease. (And if you don't use the space, why have it?)
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18:03<djc>kop, i dont read prose that way
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18:03<kop>djc: ? Line by line?
18:03<k>xmonad?? amphhi
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18:04<djc>kop shrug.. it works for me
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18:04<kop>djc: Ok. Thanks for the ideas.
18:04<djc>if I find a case that doesnt, I'll resize it as needed
18:04<djc>kop good luck
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18:04<djc>btw, thius a web ca? or private?
18:04<amphi>k: a tiling window manager; there are several others
18:04<kop>djc: Private.
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18:05<DrivenMad>dhcpd question: waht do i ahve to type in dhcpd.conf to add a subnet declaration to eth0?
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18:08<djc>man dhcpd
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18:08<djc>or possibly man dhcpd.conf
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18:10<djc>Or possibly 'firefox
18:10<djc>or equivalent
18:10<petemc>almost certainly not firefox..
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18:11<petemc>DrivenMad: you configure which interface it listens on in /etc/default/dhcp3-server , you then need to an entries for subnet declarations in the conf, but the syntax is simple
18:11<djc>although I think the binary is still called firefox ;)
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18:11<petemc>name { subnet netmask}
18:11<DrivenMad>ahhh sweet tahts what i was looking for!! thanx petemc :) i knew there was another file somewhere :)
18:12<djc>lol... yep: /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a iceweasel
18:12<petemc>and you can add options for routers, domains etc
18:12<djc>thats just.... self-conflicting
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18:13<petemc>missed a semicolon, but you werent asking about that syntax anyway
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18:28<k0pp>if i was to create a folder in /dev/input, would it be erased upon reboot?
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18:31<k0pp>Guest654, help with what?
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18:31<Nemoder>k0pp: if you are using udev then yes
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18:33<Hirschle>ive got a USB -> IDE adapter, when i connect a IDE hard drive, dmesg says "[ 4647.556906] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdj] Attached SCSI disk", but when i tray cfdisk /dev/sdj, it says "FATAL ERROR: Cannot read disk drive"...what can i do? it does it with different disks, so its not a hardware error
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18:34<Hirschle>and qtparted doesnt even show it
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18:39<blarson>Hirschle: Sure it could be a hardware problem. Does your disk get enough power to spin up? Could be the addaptor.
18:40<paveq_>is it possible to install kde-core without pulling all xserver stuff with it?
18:40<Hirschle>it has an external power supply
18:40<djc>does it work with *any* disk
18:40<djc>perhaps the adapter simply isnt supported
18:40<Hirschle>under windows with any ;)
18:41<djc>try regular fdisk
18:41<Hirschle>fdisk also wont get it
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18:41<Hirschle>parted does not, too
18:41<Hirschle>and qtparted also not
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18:41<Hirschle>dmesg shows every info, so i dont know why it shouldnt work, it says it has now the name sdj
18:41<djc>perhaps the usb->ide adapter is just not supported fully
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18:43<Hirschle>4642.398275] usb 2-10: New USB device found, idVendor=152d, idProduct=2338
18:43<Hirschle>[ 4642.398283] usb 2-10: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5
18:43<Hirschle>[ 4642.398286] usb 2-10: Product: USB to ATA/ATAPI Bridge
18:43<Hirschle>[ 4642.398288] usb 2-10: Manufacturer: JMicron
18:43<Hirschle>[ 4642.398292] usb 2-10: SerialNumber: 152D203380B6
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18:43<Hirschle>tried to post a nopaste link....simply forgot to copy it ^^
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18:46<tcsetattr>cat /proc/partitions | grep sdj ; file -s /dev/sdj
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18:52<k>i want to try wmii out without deleteing compiz or my settings do I do this?
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19:12<dpkg>< koshnaranek> what are we going to do tonight, brain? < nvz> koshnaranek: same thing we do every night pinky, try to take over the world.
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19:47<dpkg>somebody said flw31 was <p88> anymous: a trojan is pretty much impossible <p88> this system is 1 day old
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19:48<dpkg>< tga> -funroll-loops will fix everything < tga> oops, wrong channel
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19:51<aryah>so, how much mileage is it possible to get from free graphics drivers for nvidia? no 3d at all?
19:51<aryah>should resolutions be normal at least?
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19:52<abrotman>depends on the card
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19:54<aryah>even that is good news :) its GeForce6100, maybe 6150, embedded in the motherboard, I dont suppose you know offhand what to expect with it? If so, point me where to troll :)
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19:58<aryah>test works! :)
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20:03<aryah>nouveau is what I shoult try out for this purpose?
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20:09<doom_buggy>where would i find my firewall logs?
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20:10<djc>next to the fireplace?
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20:10<djc>"what firewall logs" ?
20:10<djc>for that matter
20:10<djc>"what firewall"
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20:11<djc>Linksys? Netgear?
20:11<djc>Most likely, somewhere in the web config interface for it
20:11<llimeht>iptables, most likely. firestarter...
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20:12<djc>unless you are using a *nix computer to protect some $lesser_systems from the net, *nix computers dont really need 'firewalls'
20:12<djc>if you dont want to accept connections on port X, dont run anything that listens to port X
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20:13<djc>and regardless of OS, a 'firewall' as a concept is a seperate piece of hardware from whatever you are protecting. Running a piece of software on the same machine that its supposed to be protecting is nonsensical
20:14<djc>If the machine is secure, the software is irrelevant. If its not secure, its ineffective
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20:15<tcsetattr>but without a firewall, how will we get those lovely firewall logs which make us feel good by showing us how many "attacks" they've stopped?
20:15*llimeht is sorry he interrupted the monologue, now.
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20:16<djc>are you using your *nix computer as a firewall between the Internet and some other, less secure machines?
20:16<tcsetattr>and someone might be able to ping me and get an accurate result! THE HORROR!
20:16<djc>/ctcp ping tcsetattr
20:16<djc>hey I aint getting no result here dangit!
20:16<djc>yer wall of fire must be in the way
20:17<tcsetattr>well yes, I suppose /ignore is sort of a high-layer "firewall" :)
20:17<tcsetattr>I meant real ping. ICMP ECHO. The one the GWFs are afraid of.
20:17<djc>it was a joke
20:18<djc>the wf I got
20:18<djc>fuzzy on the G
20:18<tcsetattr>good one, considering that you had to guess my blanket /ignore of all private messages has effectively broken CTCP PING in my client
20:18<djc>or that I never actually sent a ctcp
20:18<djc>but just doubled the / so it showed in the channel
20:19<tcsetattr>"Goober With Firewall"
20:19<djc>Goober.. right
20:19<tcsetattr>a class of people who send complaints to ISPs based on normal network traffic because their "firewall" software logged it as such (which it does to justify its own existence)
20:19<djc>llimeht, to answer your original question, your firewall logs are probable somewhere in its web config UI
20:19<llimeht>not my question...
20:19<djc>actually I already mentioned that
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20:20<tcsetattr>the original questioner must have lost interest WAY back.
20:20<djc>oh.. right
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20:21<djc>and if you are actually using a *nix box as a firewall between an outside Internet connection and windows boxes and don't already know where its logs are, you kinda skipped some steps of setting it up
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20:22<djc>but im assuming you were talking as if a *nix workstation had or needed some sort of equivalent to the useless 'windows firewall software' that has eitehr been add-on or more recently incuded with windows. Which it does not
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20:23<tcsetattr>which packets are you gonna log, the ones that you're dropping (and therefore can't possibly do anything to you) or the one's you're passing (which are therefore legitimate by your own definition)? I can't see an argument for either
20:24<djc>Every once in a while on my fbsd box I review the system logs.. tons of failed ssh and ftp attempts
20:25<djc>and just kinda chuckle realizing they arent gonna get anywhere with brute force
20:26<simonrvn>*cough* change port on ssh; don't run ftp if you can.
20:26<djc>something is screwing with my tcp windows
20:26<djc>not sure how to find out what
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20:28<djc>simonrvn, why? brute force will get them nowhere
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20:28<simonrvn>less crap to deal with
20:28<djc>define 'deal with'
20:29<djc>every once in a while when im bored, I glance at the logs for a chuckle or two
20:29<djc>and then go on my way
20:29<llimeht>"Every once in a while" sounds like best practice to me too.
20:30<djc>usually at least once a day I 'last -20'.. just to see if any logins show other than me
20:30<Bette>Hello... any one there can help me out of this error ?? <---
20:30<tcsetattr>I can sometimes *hear* the ssh dictionary attackers in the unique rhythm of hard drive clicks caused by the sshd's default logging and sleeping between retries
20:30<djc>and there are one or two legit ids other than mine
20:31<djc>tcsetattr, Ah I don't have that problem.. the machine is in a server rack 35 miles away
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20:31<abrotman>!tell Bette about overwrite
20:31<simonrvn>tcsetattr: i could too, the system disk is loud
20:31<djc>Bette, sounds like you've got some goofed up dependencies
20:31<llimeht>Bette: are you trying to upgrade from etch to lenny at the moment?
20:32<Bette>llimeht i typed apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, it finds 169 upgrades.
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20:33<llimeht>Bette: what version of debian do you think you're running? etch? 4.0?
20:33<llimeht>Bette: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for us?
20:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
20:33<abrotman>yeah .. that's not going to be pretty
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20:33<djc>llimeht, she already demonstrated knowledge of pastebin with her oritinal error
20:34<djc>er.. im gessing 'her' from the nick. sorry if im wrong
20:34<Bette>hehe im not a girl xD "i have always been called Bette in my family because i always have been the smallets kid in my fam" hehe
20:35<tcsetattr>that libcupsys2-gnutls10 doesn't exist in Debian 5.0 (lenny), it's a leftover from the previous version, you will need to get rid of it
20:35<Bette>okay. na dhow does i do that.. "sorry for the bad english"
20:35<Bette>and *
20:36<djc>Bette, apologies then..
20:36<Bette>djc its okay :)
20:36<tcsetattr>you might try doing a dist-upgrade.
20:37<Bette>libgtk2.0-0: Depends: libcups2 (>= 1.3.8) but it is not installed
20:37<llimeht>Bette: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l dpkg aptitude libc6" for us too?
20:37<tcsetattr>apt-get dist-upgrade, or do it with aptitude, let them figure it out.
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20:38<Bette>aptitude will do it.. hope it works
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20:39<bloom>does anyone know what went wrong in my last TeX upgrade that now pdflatex uses all Type 3 fonts?
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20:39<llimeht>Bette: you currently have an interesting mixture of etch and lenny. I suggest that you read the upgrade notes for etch to lenny and follow them. /msg dpkg etch->lenny
20:39<llimeht>Bette: In particular, upgrading dpkg and aptitude first would probably be a good move.
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20:40<soren1>hi good evenning
20:40<Bette>the dist upgrade is startet.
20:40<soren1>does anybody has got this error when try to run debian with a flash memory
20:40<soren1>Buffer I/O error on device mtdblock0, logical block 2
20:40<soren1>uncorrectable error : <3>end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock0, sector 24
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20:42<soren1>anybody can help me?
20:42<Bette>llimeht Hmm do you have a good sources.list to lenny ?
20:43<llimeht>Bette: your sources.list should be fine, although once you've finished this upgrade, you should replace "stable" with "lenny" in it.
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20:46<soren1>anybody can help me with this error: Buffer I/O error on device mtdblock0, logical block 2 uncorrectable error : <3>end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock0, sector 24
20:47<Bette>llimeht the samba daemon how shall that be running ? "Daemon or Inetd"
20:47<soren1>I try to running debian from sd memory
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20:48<llimeht>Bette: it's your samba daemon -- how do you want it to run? If in doubt, probably daemon.
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20:53<llimeht>Bette: try aptitude -f install libcupsys2-gnutls10_ <== note the final _
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20:55<Bette>woks.. and now i got error with debianutils_2.30_i386.deb
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20:55<Bette> <-
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20:59<llimeht>Bette: try "aptitude full-upgrade passwd=1:4.1.1-6" (although I can't see that would be any different...)
20:59<Txt-file>I have a device with RS232-interface but my PC has no RS232 anymore. But I have a USB to RS232 adapter. do I need any driver or something else
21:00<Bette>hmm thats only give me a Help screen
21:00<llimeht>Txt-file: usually, yes. The ftdi ones have drivers in the kernel as well non-free drivers from the manufacturer. No idea about other chipsets though.
21:01<llimeht>Bette: ahh... because you don't yet have lenny's aptitude.
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21:02*llimeht wishes Bette had listened to him rather than tcsetattr...
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21:02<abrotman>in other shocking news ...
21:03<djc>Txt-file, plug it in and try it?
21:03<abrotman>oh wait .. i said about overwrite :)
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21:03<llimeht>abrotman: you think it's up to "force it and pick up the pieces afterwards" territory?
21:04<abrotman>llimeht: we'll see after Bette does aptitude install aptitude dpkg right ?
21:05<llimeht>abrotman: yeah... I suspect that it will still try to install these other packages though...
21:05<abrotman>overwrite isn't the end of the world
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21:05<Txt-file>kk ... I thinked that there is a driver for most usb to RS232-adapter but so I have to try & error
21:06*abrotman performs a bris on llimeht
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21:06<Bette>but how can i fix all these errors :/
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21:06<class>Howdy. I need some info - Of all the iso's on the site, which should I download? I read that the first CD has all the stuff I need, but I'm not shure which you mean by that - The Alpha? The First CD I need for my specific architecture?
21:06<abrotman>Bette: can you aptitude install aptitude dpkg ?
21:07<Bette>i just did
21:07<llimeht>Bette: "aptitude install aptitude dpkg" while crossing figures and sacrificing goats might work for you
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21:07<abrotman>Bette: did it throw errors?
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21:08<abrotman>Bette: server or workstation ?
21:08*llimeht takes that as a sign that it's time to go to bed
21:08<llimeht>night all
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21:09<abrotman>Bette: do you actually use samba on it ?
21:10<Bette>he dont know :/ i run a IRC server, BNC and Webpage.
21:10<Bette>and eggdrop
21:10<abrotman>wait .. it runs gnome too ?
21:11<Bette>Text based
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21:11<abrotman>uh .. you've got gnome installed
21:12<class>Hm... So, can anyone help?
21:12<abrotman>Bette: if you dpkg -P samba .. what happens ?
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21:13<abrotman>this is going to be ugly
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21:14<abrotman>Bette: i386 ?
21:14<Bette>sounds bad :(
21:14<Bette>hmm not sure !!
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21:15<tcsetattr>not just bad. "very bad inconsistent state".
21:15<Bette>Linux 2.6.9-023stab048.6-enterprise #1 SMP Mon Nov 17 19:09:18 MSK 2008 i686 GNU/Linux <-
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21:15<Bette>i686 :/
21:15<Bette>never heart about that
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21:16<abrotman>Bette: dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -P samba
21:17<k0pp>anyone feel like helping me get Xforwarding working? i keep getting this error when ssh -X user@host: /usr/bin/X11/xauth: (stdin):1: bad display name "my-machine:10.0" in "add" command
21:17<abrotman>wtf ...
21:18<k0pp>i figure it has something to do with 'hostname -f' returning: "hostname: unknown host"
21:18<lvdz_>good night
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21:18<Silicium01>Is there a nice Debian way for configuring Yahoo DomainKeys?
21:19<abrotman>Bette: vi /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.postrm .. put an "exit 0;" on the line after the shebang
21:20<Bette>shebang ?
21:20<tcsetattr>update-inetd missing the problems continue to pile up.
21:20<Bette>|| <--- or what ? there is standing exit 0 but not exit 0;
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21:21<k1lumin4t1>is there any way to take advantage of all the available space on a virgin hard disk using Ext3 format? I recently formated what it's supposed to be a 320 GB HD, and now it marks 290 GB of available space of which 278 GB are free
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21:22<abrotman>Bette: the shebang is the #! at the top
21:22<abrotman>tcsetattr: you didn't help
21:22<Bette>aarg okay
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21:23<Bette>abrotman Just after "! or "!/bin/sh -e ??
21:23<abrotman>on the line after the #!
21:25<Bette>it CANT like me :/
21:25<abrotman>did you remove the file?
21:25<tcsetattr>can't you just rm the postrm script? or cp /bin/true on it? does it really have to be a shell script?
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21:26<tcsetattr>or cp /bin/true /usr/sbin/update-inetd, it's already screwed anyway
21:26<Bette>abrotman i did not remove anything
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21:27<abrotman>Bette: what are the first three lines of the /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.postinst ?
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21:31<abrotman>Bette: oh jeez .. /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.postrm .. sorry
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21:31*abrotman is losing his mind
21:31<noel>it work's
21:31<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
21:32<noel>amd athlon...
21:32<noel>old school
21:32<Bette> abrotman
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21:33<abrotman>Bette: the line *after* the shebang
21:33<abrotman>so ..
21:33<abrotman>#!/bin/sh -e
21:33<abrotman>exit 0;
21:33<Bette>uncoment Right ?
21:34<abrotman>yes .. uncommented
21:34<Bette>WUHU IT WORKS
21:34<Bette>sorry for caps xD
21:34<noel>debian works ;-)
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21:34<abrotman>Bette: now hold on a sec .. don't go any farther yet
21:35<abrotman>Bette: can you now `aptitude install aptitude dpkg` ?
21:36<Bette>without errors
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21:36<abrotman>Bette: now .. can you `aptitude full-upgrade` without error ?
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21:38<abrotman>is that good or bad ?
21:38<Bette>Errors were encountered while processing: libgnome32, libgnorba27, gnome-bin, libgnorbagtk0, libgnomeui32
21:39<Bette>Current status: 5 broken [+5], 221 updates [-13].
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21:40<abrotman>and now it won't continue ?
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21:41<abrotman>are you pasting or just telling ?
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21:42*Bette is pasting hes dick off haha
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21:45<tcsetattr>you could try doing passwd by itself
21:45<abrotman>Bette: what if you `aptitude install gnome-libs-data` ?
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21:48<tcsetattr>tried a dist-upgrade since getting rid of the samba problem?
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21:49<Bette>abrotman and the full upgrade works :O
21:49<abrotman>tcsetattr: if you were actually paying attention, you'd know
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21:49<abrotman>Bette: you might want to try that a few times ..
21:49<Bette>only the debianutils_2.30_i386.deb fails.
21:49<abrotman>the full-upgrade i mean
21:50<abrotman>oh .. one still fails ?
21:50<abrotman>paste the output
21:50<Bette>wait sek i past
21:51<Bette> <--- Line 192
21:51<abrotman>Bette: aptitude install passwd ?
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21:54<tcsetattr>looks to me like /usr/sbin/add-shell isn't supposed to be in passwd, even in etch. a leftover from sarge, or a bad intermediate testing version perhaps?
21:56<abrotman>Bette: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.30_i386.deb
21:56<Bette> !!
21:59<abrotman>so it worked ?
21:59<Bette>i think
21:59<Bette>shall i try full-upgrade ?
22:00<tcsetattr>Preparing to replace debianutils 2.8.4 <--- yep, that's the sarge version.
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22:00<abrotman>Bette: yes
22:01<Bette>new error
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22:02<abrotman>Bette: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libpam-modules_1.0.1-5_i386.deb
22:02<tcsetattr>how about "dpkg -l passwd", I wonder if that's still the sarge version too.
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22:02<Silicium01>my apt-get shows me looot of packages "not being used" any more and recommends autoremove. When I didnt delete anyhting before and gnome and all the stuff is very much needed... How did apt-get end up with the idea that I need to remove those packages?
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22:07<Bette>abrotman BAAH
22:08<abrotman>Bette: need to see the errors
22:08<abrotman>Bette: aptitude install passwd .. then try the full-upgrade again
22:09<Bette>HOLY CRAP
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22:11<abrotman>you lost mktemp ?
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22:11<abrotman>Bette: aptitude install mktemp ?
22:12<tcsetattr>that libcupsys2-gnutls10 package appears to also be leftover from sarge.
22:12<tcsetattr>what's going on here is partially the forbidden "skip-a-release" upgrade scenario
22:12<Bette>gives the same error
22:12<abrotman>if you try to install mktemp ?
22:13<abrotman>probably easier just to remove libcupsys2-gnutls10
22:14<tcsetattr>upgrading from sarge to etch should have installed the etch version of libcupsys2-gnutls10 which is a basically empty transitional package, then there would be no file conflicts when upgrading to lenny. The sarge->lenny replacement doesn't work.
22:14<abrotman>apparently lots of things didn't happen
22:15<tcsetattr>what he's got now is a mixed sarge/etch/lenny system which there's no clean way out of
22:15<Bette>abrotman what do we do with the package ?
22:15<abrotman>brilliant deduction ...
22:16<abrotman>Bette: can you `dpkg -P libcupsys2-gnutls10` ?
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22:16<Bette>yes.. o errors
22:16<Bette>o = No
22:16<Bette>install mktemp ?
22:16<abrotman>Bette: did you `aptitude install passwd` yet ?
22:16<abrotman>try `aptitude install mktemp passwd`
22:17<Bette>done no errors
22:17<Bette>full-upgrade ?
22:17<abrotman>go ahead
22:18<Bette>its totaly finish with full-upgrade
22:19<abrotman>try it again
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22:19<Bette>i just did 4 times
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22:19<abrotman>Bette: you're going to have to verify *every* package version on that system to make sure oyu're up to lenny
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22:19<abrotman>and i really mean every single one
22:19<Bette>how :/
22:20<abrotman>Bette: compare `dpkg -l` to a list of package versions for lenny
22:20<abrotman>if you find one that is out of date .. try to upgrade it
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22:21<Bette> Cant get more
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22:24<toshiaki>sorry, how to install a serial port webcam for debian?
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22:27<abrotman>Bette: i didn't say i was going to check .. you should :)
22:28<Bette>i dont know mutch about it
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22:29<tcsetattr>for a start you could look under aptitudes "Obsolete and local" package list
22:29<kop>Can you put raid0 in after the fact or is a restore required?
22:32<Bette>i will jump over in my bed.. im really tired.. and BIG THANKS for the help...
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22:36<cesurasean>how do I connect to a linux machine from a windows machine?
22:36<cesurasean>besides ssh
22:36<cesurasean>I want to be able to access the desktop
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22:36<cesurasean>or gui
22:38<cesurasean>I tried vnc, but can't seem to connect.
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23:26<julio>inglish or spanish??
23:26<simonrvn>english here
23:26-!-julio is now known as sUperaCtivo
23:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:26<simonrvn>espagnol ^^^
23:26<sUperaCtivo>thanx :)
23:26<simonrvn>no problema
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23:27<polyvox>aguante debiannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
23:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:27<simonrvn>espagnol ^^^
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23:28<polyvox>i'm argentina
23:28<simonrvn>still spanish ;)
23:28<simonrvn>(yes, i know there's dialects)
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23:29<polyvox>where are you from smonrvn
23:29<sUperaCtivo>look i have problem with my dell studio 1535
23:29<polyvox>what problem?
23:29<sUperaCtivo>where can i go?
23:29<simonrvn>polyvox: great turtle island
23:30<sUperaCtivo>the microphone "integrado" dosen't work
23:30<polyvox>question here
23:30<Dyno>simonrvn, can i PM you?
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23:30<sUperaCtivo>i use ubuntu Linux 2.6.27-11-generic
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23:31<simonrvn>sUperaCtivo: /join #ubuntu when you go on the "Ubuntu Servers" in xchat
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23:34<polyvox>somebody is SYSADMIN?
23:35-!-Smiles [] has joined #debian
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23:35<streuner_>usually all debian users are admins :-)
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23:36<jpablo_>It's a good answer
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23:37<polyvox>aaaaaaaaaaaaaa okkkkkkkkk
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23:37<polyvox>i'm an novato
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23:37<polyvox>i'm a novato o lammer
23:38<streuner_>well, iam in many things a newbie too ;-)
23:38<streuner_>so just ask
23:38<polyvox>i don't have questions
23:38<polyvox>just look
23:39<polyvox>i'm isterting in hackkkkkkkk
23:39<polyvox>i loved :)
23:39<polyvox>and you?
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23:40<jpablo_>What do you meet in the hacking?
23:40<polyvox>in hacking
23:41-!-SmilesI [] has quit []
23:41<polyvox>low things
23:41<polyvox>i'm reading the ezine Hack x crack
23:41<polyvox>in the number 27
23:41<jpablo_>It's a good subject..but There are several types
23:42<polyvox>programing and undertanding over exploit
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23:42<jpablo_>Black and white Hat
23:42<streuner_>thats OT here
23:42<streuner_>so discuss that elsewhere please
23:43<polyvox>what is OT???
23:43<jpablo_>off topic
23:43<polyvox>aaaaaaaa okkkkkkk
23:43<polyvox>it's good
23:44<polyvox>i know many tools
23:44<jpablo_>The best way for that is used Debian and free software
23:45<polyvox>like nc nessus wiresharl nemesis hping2
23:45<jpablo_>Backtrack has several tools
23:45<jpablo_>but I use Debian in my work
23:45<jpablo_>For the Network security
23:46<polyvox>how many years you have in security
23:47<jpablo_>3 years
23:47<polyvox>and you have some title?
23:48<jpablo_>System engineer
23:48<jpablo_>But My knowledge is for the free software used
23:48<polyvox>i'm studyng for licenciatura in sistemas
23:49<jpablo_>where are you from?
23:49<polyvox>and you?
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23:49<polyvox>jaja estamos hablando ingles al pedo jaja
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23:50<polyvox>y q edad tienes?
23:50<polyvox>tienes alguna pagina o blog personal
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23:53<stew>polyvox: english only in here please
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23:54<Supaplex>pretty please =)
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23:56<k1lumin4t1>I just upgraded the ati kernel driver (fglrx-source) trhough aptitude but the new one works crappy. Is there any way to downgrade it or know what was the previous version?
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