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---Logopened Fri Mar 20 00:00:02 2009
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00:00<GinoMan>DAMN DEBIAN EDU!!!!!!!!
00:00<GinoMan>is there a way to blacklist packages from installing at all?
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00:00<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist'.
00:01<Jpdota>i'll be back again, going to try a couple things
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00:01<GinoMan>that's how to blacklist a module... I'm talking about blacklisting packages from being able to be installed unless a certain file is edited or something
00:02<Shaddy>It seems I spoke too soon... I can access, and even, however, when I try to access, for the past couple of days at least, my browser and wget just timeout on the connect
00:02<stew>GinoMan: man apt_preferences
00:02<Shaddy>anyone else suffering in this way?
00:05<adb>Shaddy: i suffered for years , so now i understand that
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00:08<Jpdota>adb: restarting with metacity to see if it's a compiz issue
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00:28<twb>A backup system I have has a cron.daily script that updates the MBR on its target disks.
00:28<twb>I wish to suppress the "I'm working normally" noise from grub-install. Is it safe to just >/dev/null, or will this also risk suppressing error messages?
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00:30<avu>twb, error messages of well behaved applications go to stderr, which won't get redirected by >foo
00:31<twb>avu: the key point is "well behaved"
00:31<twb>So my question is: is grub-install well behaved?
00:31<avu>you'll have a hard time finding someone who's sure about that I guess. just look at the source if you want to know for certain
00:31<avu>should be an easy enough thing to grep for
00:32<avu>(or find a way to trick it into having to display an error message)
00:33<twb>I looked at it, but I can always make mistakes
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00:33<twb>I guess worst case my script can trap 'echo zoinks!' ERR
00:33<avu>so can anyone answering your question..
00:34<twb>avu: this is called "independent confirmation"
00:34<enouf>GinoMan: ahh .. playing both networks eh?
00:34<twb>avu: it's less likely that TWO people will BOTH be wrong
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00:34<meshuggah>hi there
00:34<avu>I'd still trust my own inspection of the source more than even three random people on IRC
00:34<GinoMan>great feature of kopete
00:35<avu>especially if I'd wanted to be as sure as you seem to want to be
00:35<enouf>GinoMan: atleast they were basically unrelated - that's ok then IMHO
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00:35<enouf>GinoMan: you think i'm using kopete?
00:36<meshuggah>hmmm....chealer isnt here to argue with me..
00:37<GinoMan>enouf: I'm not sure
00:37<GinoMan>are you a kde or gnome user.... or neither?
00:37<GinoMan>maybe you're a basher, or a fluxer
00:37<GinoMan>maybe a bboxer
00:38<GinoMan>ahh.... wait
00:38<GinoMan>but even then... with bbox, fluxbox, and xfce, you could be using kopete
00:38<GinoMan>hell, even in gnome, you could be using kopete
00:38<enouf>GinoMan: logging in to various networks and channels should be pretty much easy for any irc client
00:39<GinoMan>this is true
00:39<GinoMan>but I like how kopete lets you log into the networks, and then selectively log into chatrooms which are on your buddly list... unlike the macintosh irc client colloquy
00:39<enouf>GinoMan: oh - i didn't scroll up enouigh here ! you did! also bring up grub/grub2
00:40<enouf>you suck!
00:40<GinoMan>but if my computer doesn't boot up when I shut it down and turn it back on... I'm fucked
00:41<GinoMan>because my friend and I went through hell and high water getting my xorg.conf file written correctly because X11 didn't like my graphics card and couldn't detect the monitor
00:42<dr|z3d>GinoMan: Did you buy a teashirt while you were there?
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00:42<GinoMan>they don't have tee-shirts, they all get burned up in the flames if they tried to make them
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00:43<GinoMan>ok.... here's a good question
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00:44<GinoMan>the debian make-kpkg program... is it compatable with grub2
00:44<twb>GinoMan: I don't see why it wouldn't be.
00:45<GinoMan>ok.. thx
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00:49<GinoMan>if I wanted a script automatically to run on bootup (I'm making it to check that the fglrx proprietary kernel module has been compiled since the kernel or xorg has been updated so that no matter what, the fglrx module is current)... where would I put it
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01:19<Guest893>can anyone tell me where i can find some litutre on how to network two ext hdd into my windows network. I have a TB that has all my MP3 on it and i want to make it so my wife can access them. I am not using debian but dreamlinux witch is debian lenny stable
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01:19<slimjim>can anyone tell me where i can find some litutre on how to network two ext hdd into my windows network. I have a TB that has all my MP3 on it and i want to make it so my wife can access them. I am not using debian but dreamlinux witch is debian lenny stable
01:22<dr|z3d>slimjim: read up on samba.
01:22<gsimmons>slimjim: Dreamlinux is not supported here. You would want to join #dreamlinux at instead.
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01:23<slimjim>i think that channel is dead there was noone in it same with dream-linux and dream_linux
01:23<slimjim>but i will read up on samba
01:24<slimjim>i just could not remember what linux called it so i had nothing to google
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01:25<slimjim>thanks..that will allow me to network two ext drives correct
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01:45<idcsea>hi, debian etch 4.0 is not`s halt accidently ,and errors: NMI error..are you have a strange power manager method. halt....
01:46<idcsea>yes . NMI is an options in my BIOS
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01:47<idcsea>ps -aux
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01:58<GinoMan>how do I know if my hardware supports acpi
01:59<GinoMan>is it supported if APIC is supported?
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01:59<goodger>GinoMan: was it built in the last ten years?
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02:00<GinoMan>everything seems to be less than 10 years old
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02:00<goodger>chances are it supports ACPI, then
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02:02<GinoMan>what is DMA Remapping?
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02:04<Supaplex>sounds like dma channels are swapped or virtualized or something.
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02:05<GinoMan>and ASPM support? for PCIE
02:06<cali2108>can someone help me please, my microphone doesn't works fine
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02:07<GinoMan>PCMCIA/CardBus is only on laptops right?
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02:07<jm_>well routers sometimes have that too
02:08<GinoMan>I know what you mean... I've seen that
02:08<blarson>GinoMan: There are pci to cardbus addapters.
02:08<GinoMan>ya, but I doubt I'm gonna be using that... and how do I know if the hardware supports hotplugging?
02:09<jm_>assume it doesn't if you don't know
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02:10<GinoMan>what's an ELF binary?
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02:10<jm_>are you compiling a kernel?
02:10<GinoMan>well... configuring it right now
02:10<GinoMan>from scratch
02:10<jm_>hopefully you won't ask for the rest 50 options
02:10<GinoMan>using the output from lspci, lsusb, etc
02:10<GinoMan>no... just the ones I'm completely loston
02:10<GinoMan>lost on*
02:11<jm_>you want elf support
02:11<GinoMan>I'll keep it in
02:12<JackDeth>ELF is a format of executables, it specifies the structure and fields within it
02:12<stew>you could run "file /usr/bin/*" and see if any of your binaries are ELF :P
02:12<stew>(which most of them would be)
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02:14<Supaplex>elf support should be static. anything else is optional (modules are okay)
02:14<Jpdota>has anyone else had problems in squeeze with a "Bus Error"?
02:15<Jpdota>it causes some (seemingly random) programs to fail to start
02:15<Supaplex>Jpdota: once with a short bus, but it drove off a bridge ;)
02:15<Jpdota>Supaplex: ;) occasionally things like that happen. i hope that one had seatbelts ;P
02:15<jm_>yes, it would cause programs to fail :P
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02:21<Jpdota>it's damn frustrating, because i've seen some errors in the dmesg about my hard drive, but fedora is still running fine with no warnings about the drive at all. so i'm not sure if it's hardware or software
02:22<Jpdota>i'm half tempted to do a clean install to see if that fixes it
02:22<jm_>it might be fedora is on the part of the disk that's not failing, run badblocks, look at smart reports
02:22<jm_>it might be application bug too
02:23<Lazha>how can I make a folder be totally accessable by any user ? to have read / write and delete, basically all permissions
02:23<jm_>Lazha: you want to ask that question in #windows - linux doesn't have folders
02:24<Jpdota>jm_: smartass :P
02:24<GinoMan>ok.... SCSI disk support
02:24<GinoMan>I'm pretty sure I'm on EIDE
02:24<GinoMan>but... I'm not certain
02:24<jm_>ls -l /sys/block/*/device/driver
02:25<Lazha>jm_, can you help me ?
02:25<jm_>Lazha: did you read what I told you?
02:25<GinoMan>I need to keep scsi
02:25<Lazha>yes I did
02:25<Lazha>what does Linux have then ?
02:26<Jpdota>Lazha: are you SURE you want to give someone those permissions?? that's quite a bit of power =o
02:26<jm_>Lazha: you need to read some newbie guides -- /msg dpkg grounding
02:26<jm_>777 gives everyone permission to read/write/cd
02:26<Jpdota>jm_: yay smart tests "come back in 154 minutes" :P
02:27<Lazha>I did that jm_, but every time I add something new to folder, only 1 user has access to do anything with the file
02:27<Jpdota>that's the signal that i should sleep instead of waiting for that
02:27<jm_>Jpdota: yeah, you have short and long selftests - long one can last "a bit"
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02:27<Jpdota>yep, i figure i should do the long one if i want some truly definitive data
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02:27<jm_>Lazha: right, that depends on their umask - you can add "special" permissions to retain ownership and then everyone in that group etc. will be able to do the same
02:28<jm_>yeah long + badblocks
02:28<jm_>Jpdota: what do the errors look like?
02:28<Lazha>special permissions to the folder right ?
02:29<jm_>yes - info coreutils -> chmod invocation -> File permissions
02:29<jm_>and then "Directory Setuid and Setgid"
02:30<GinoMan>how do I know if I have an SLI RDAC
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02:30<jm_>Lazha: this will only help with a sane umask value, so you may want to adjust that too (I think it's OK by default)
02:30<enouf>press ?
02:31<jm_>Jpdota: yes that looks like a bad sector
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02:31<Lazha>thanks jm_
02:31<Supaplex>bad sector! no biscuit!
02:32<Jpdota>jm_: ugh, well i already did e2fsck, so i'd have to wipe everything and try to let badblocks repair it or...?
02:32<jm_>Lazha: no worries
02:32<GinoMan>funny... it says "if you have SLI RDAC...... "
02:32<GinoMan>is that for SLI Video Cards?
02:32<jm_>Jpdota: no, not wipe anything - run badblocks in read-only mode, it will detect badblocks if there are any
02:32<Jpdota>jm_: yep, i meant assuming you're correct about it being a bad sector
02:32<Supaplex>Jpdota: if your disk has bad sectors, it's time to buy a new drive.
02:33<jm_>you mean LSI RDAC right, not SLI?
02:33<Supaplex>or claim any warranty
02:33<Jpdota>damn. it IS a new drive. warranty ;)
02:33<GinoMan>n/m on the sli
02:33<GinoMan>what's LSI RDAC?
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02:33<jm_>well did lspci list that device? does currently running kernel have driver loaded for it?
02:34<Jpdota>the tough part is finding where i can back up all this stuff, i was saving for a backup drive haha
02:34<GinoMan>... /me checks his lspci log
02:34<jm_>yeah that's a bitch with modern drives - they are so big, you fill it up and then it becomes hard finding space for a backup ;)
02:34<jm_>it's why I bought 500G esata drive
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02:35<jm_>if you say you have EIDE then you definitely don't need LSI RDAC support
02:35<systm>how do i get the b43 driver working?
02:35<jm_>systm: wiki explains it
02:35<Jpdota>systm: you can use the STA drivers broadcom provides, those have worked like a charm for me
02:35<GinoMan>I have IDE on the CD-rom
02:36<systm>Jpdota, i tried it, but i cant get it to compile
02:36<GinoMan>and I have SCSI on my hard drive
02:36<Jpdota>systm: did you install the headers?
02:36<jm_>yeah you still don't need LSI RDAC driver
02:36<systm>Jpdota, I got to the part where it says make -C blah, but it says it has no target
02:36<GinoMan>I have a RS480 Host bridge, then a PCI bridge, then and IDE interface
02:37<GinoMan>then 3 USB Controllers
02:37<GinoMan>then a SMBus
02:37<GinoMan>then another IDE interface
02:37<Jpdota>systm: yeah i think that's the error you get when you don't have the headers installed
02:37<GinoMan>an ISA bridge
02:37<GinoMan>another PCI bridge
02:37<systm>Jpdota, what is the package to install
02:37<GinoMan>4 CPU Host Bridges
02:37<GinoMan>a VGA Compatable Controler
02:37<GinoMan>and Audio Device (ATI)
02:37<GinoMan>an Ethernet Controller
02:37<Jpdota>systm: linux-headers-(your kernel version)
02:38<GinoMan>and a soundblaster multimedia controller
02:38<GinoMan>I don't see sata
02:38<GinoMan>at all
02:38<systm>Jpdota, i have them.
02:38<GinoMan>is it safe to remove everything sata from the kernel?
02:38<Jpdota>systm: hum
02:39<systm>im in the hyprid-wl dir, so its not that.
02:39<jm_>GinoMan: find out which drivers are in use now
02:39<jm_>no, lsmod
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02:40<Lazha>is there a way to see what users are currently logged in ?
02:40<dondelelcaro>Lazha: who
02:41<GinoMan>what is appletalk?
02:41<dondelelcaro>(or users, or w)
02:41<dondelelcaro>GinoMan: a method of networking for apples
02:41<Lazha>I don't understand what you mean dondelelcaro
02:41<dondelelcaro>Lazha: the command, who.
02:41<dondelelcaro>(or users, or w, or...)
02:41<GinoMan>for apples?
02:42<GinoMan>meaning that if you have this kernel running on an apple computer, you would use this driver
02:42<dondelelcaro>GinoMan: yes, and macintoshes, etc.
02:42<Jpdota>systm: the first make fails?
02:42<dondelelcaro>GinoMan: no, meaning that if you need to talk to a appletalk network, you need the driver
02:42<Jpdota>systm: the clean?
02:42<systm>Jpdota, it fails saying that there are no targets, same with the clean
02:42<dondelelcaro>GinoMan: odds are high that if you don't know what appletalk is, you don't need to talk to an appletalk network.
02:42<Lazha>how can I kill a user and make him disconnect ?
02:42<jm_>kill their shell
02:43<systm>should /lib/modules/'uname -r'/build have anything in it?
02:43<Jpdota>systm: is there anything in /usr/lib/`uname -r`?
02:43<systm>yes, just my kernel and modules.* files
02:43<jm_>systm: just go to the afore mentioned wiki page and read
02:43<systm>jm_ i have.
02:43<Lazha>g0d pts/1 2009-03-17 02:02
02:43<Lazha>I want to kill that user
02:43<Lazha>how would I find out what their shell id ?
02:44<jm_>systm: so why are you still trying to compile anything? debian kernels have it available
02:44<jm_>i would think twice before trying to kill a god
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02:45<jm_>Lazha: ps auxw|grep 'pts/1'
02:45<jm_>probably 'pts/1 ' is a better choice
02:46<systm>jm_, i'm being dumb about this by any means, my card is rather new, and unless i use ndiswrapper (fail) i need to use the wl driver supplied by broadcom themselves. but i need to compile it myself as well, but its not 'make
02:46<systm>making, so there is something im missing here
02:46<Lazha>g0d 9990 0.0 0.0 8300 1484 ? S Mar17 0:00 sshd: g0d@pts/1
02:46<Lazha>g0d 9992 0.0 0.0 4960 2880 pts/1 Ss Mar17 0:00 -bash
02:46<Lazha>g0d 10142 0.0 0.0 5056 3000 pts/1 S Mar17 0:00 bash
02:46<Lazha>g0d 10177 0.0 0.0 3516 1896 pts/1 T Mar17 0:00 nano
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02:46<jm_>systm: ok, let's go from start - which card is it? lspci shall identify it
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02:46<jm_>please give its PCI ID - lspci -nn will show it
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02:47<systm>is that the first 4 or the last 8 ?
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02:47<systm>or 0280
02:47<jm_>it's all 8
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02:48<systm>well there ya go
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02:49<jm_>ok the PCI ID looks correct, let's see
02:50<GinoMan>ethernet bridging is not loaded currently into my kernel, but 802.1d Ethernet Bridging is something I know I've seen in windows
02:50<GinoMan>as a feature
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02:50<GinoMan>should I keep it around as a module
02:52<jm_>systm: you're right, b43 doesn't support this yet, let me search something else
02:53<Jpdota>jm_: it'd be downright rotten luck if this drive does indeed have bad's 2 months old
02:54<jm_>Jpdota: I had that happen too
02:54<Jpdota>jm_: :( i hope someone i know(/trust) has ~200GB of storage i can back this sucker up to :P
02:55<jm_>systm: so using their binary only driver or ndiswrapper seems to be the only way for now
02:56<Jpdota>yep :( unfortunately
02:56<systm>jm_, like i said yes, but i need the binary, my APs use wpa
02:58<jm_>systm: ok, so do it that way
02:59<jm_>systm: what's the problem with that?
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03:04<GinoMan>SATA and PATA... how can I know if my mobo is capable of that without opening the computer?
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03:05<Supaplex>GinoMan: lspci hwinfo dmesg
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03:07<twb>Or look up the motherboard on the vendor's website
03:08<twb>lshw, too
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03:09<GinoMan>hwinfo gave me a bunch of sata entries I think
03:09<Supaplex>or cat /proc/partitions hd* == pata, sd* == sata, scsi, usb/misc external. maybe hdparam sdparam too?
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03:09<jm_>be careful assuming sd=sata - "new" IDE drivers also use libata
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03:09<Supaplex>oh really? humm.
03:10*Supaplex tosses the MFM drive out the window, hears a clunk and scream of pain in horror at the same time. oops....
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03:14<GinoMan>we have sata... so it should be safe to remove the pata
03:14<GinoMan>but I have to keep the sata
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03:15<jm_>if you remove pata and have ide cd-rom say goodbye to it ...
03:17<GinoMan>it's 3:16
03:17<GinoMan>I need to get to bed
03:17<GinoMan>I have a long day today
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03:17<GinoMan>I'll have to finish the configuration tomarrow or some other day soon
03:18<Supaplex>real soon now
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03:19<Jpdota>jm_: yep, looks like the disk has a bad sector :(
03:19<Jpdota>jm_: guess i know what i'll be doing on saturday eh ;)
03:19<jm_>Jpdota: your luck my vary - I have a disk with 1 bad sector in use for years :P
03:19<jm_>may even
03:20<Jpdota>:P my luck with hard drives is terrible
03:20<Jpdota>this is the THIRD one for this computer
03:20<Jpdota>granted, the 2nd one didnt fail
03:21<jm_>hopefully they'll be more reliable when we switch to SSD or something similar
03:21<Jpdota>hopefully, or something more reliable than that
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03:22<Supaplex>flash can still fail
03:22<Jpdota>but i suppose we're getting OT
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03:23<Jpdota>jm_: thanks for the help tonight, hopefully this survives until i can back it up :)
03:24<jm_>Jpdota: no worries
03:24<Jpdota>goodnight =)
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03:25<jm_>yeah, although the details of flash vs magnetic drive failing differ
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03:32<systm>jm_, whats a good wifi manager that looks good with enlightenment
03:32<jm_>systm: I have no clue, I never used wnything wireless in my life :)
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03:34<systm>anyone have a suggestion
03:34<Supaplex>never pet a burning dog
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03:36<systm>anyone have a good suggestion for a wifi manager that looks good or decent with e16?
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03:37<neoprog>i have a probleme whit my squid proxy server (on lenny) : the winbind service fault to start after a server crash (cut down of the vm server power) :
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03:38<jm_>it tells you the reason
03:39<systm>if wicd isnt up for lenny, could i compile a version from etch?
03:39<systm>i mean sid*
03:40<systm>sorry that question was wrong, if there isnt a build up for lenny, but there is for squeeze how would i go abouts getting a hold of it?
03:40<jm_>!tell systm -about ssb
03:41<neoprog>invalid permissions on socket directory /var/run/samba/winbindd_privileged ?
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03:41<systm>er.. that just confused me more...
03:42<neoprog>but i d'ont change this permission :(
03:42<neoprog>a crash can chnage this ?
03:42<Supaplex>systm: you can compile the one from sid. it's called a backport. see if backports has it already, if not then roll your own.
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03:43<jm_>the winbindd_privilege dir is create in the init script, and its ownership/permissions changed accordingly
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03:43<systm>Supaplex, how do i check backports, dpkg sent some stuff but it didnt make sense, in that regards.
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03:44<Supaplex>I think it might be at if not, you go to the backports website and look it up there.
03:45<Supaplex>systm: fell free to ask (not me) more if you still have questions about it. I'm off to bed.
03:45<neoprog>so if i del this dir and restart the /etc/init.d/winbind script
03:45<neoprog>all is ok ?
03:45<jm_>yeah try that
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03:47<neoprog>great :) it's works :)
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03:47<neoprog>many thnaks :)
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03:47<neoprog>but why the init script d'ont clear that ?
03:48<jm_>from what I can tell it should do the same each time you start it
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04:19<joss>howto build xen kernel, downloaded the sources applied patch
04:20<joss>this source.orig and diff, however i can't seem to decode how to apply those there
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04:31<stuart>I wanna play UT 3 on my P4 but I need a new graphics card. How does AGP 7800GS compare with comparably priced PCI-E cards? (Should I junk my system, or can I get away with this).
04:32<jm_>you can find benchmark numbers for that on tomshwardware I think
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04:33<Gloonix>whats a good mp3 player aprt from VLC and RythmBox
04:34<jm_>exaile, audacious, there are many other players available
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04:35<jm_>kde has amarok or somesuch
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04:42<mepk>my graphics card can't work well. intel Gmax4500m can't use 1280X800, but in windows can
04:43<Gloonix>jm_, I want one that that displays directorys/files, RythmBox does not do this
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04:43<mepk>I am newer for debian. Can some help me?
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04:44<jm_>Gloonix: so try the ones I mentioned above
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04:46<mepk>It can use 1024X768 in debian.
04:46<jm_>mepk: check X logfile - it should list some details about modes and monitor capabilites there
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04:51<mepk>Section "Device"
04:51<mepk> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
04:51<mepk>Section "Monitor"
04:51<mepk> Identifier "Configured Monitor"
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04:52<Noble>Can anyone tell me the difference between iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT and iptables -A FORWARD -o eth1 -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
04:55<Noble>And also, which should I be using if im going to run web servers
04:56<jm_>did you read any itpables documenation?
04:56<Noble>Yes, ive read some
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04:57<Noble>I found a script that forwards connections thats already established, but I suppose thats not what I want for a web server?
04:57<Noble>the router is also running SRCDS, ventrilo and samba
04:59<jm_>depends where webservers are etc.
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05:01<Noble>So basicly I can do iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT and iptables --table nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE and block incomming traffic on the ports I dont want accesed from internet?
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05:03<Gloonix>jm_, I am giving amarok exaile a try... I like amarok so far
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05:07<pitarma_>tao ai
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05:28<simonrvn>pitarma_: fix your network
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05:28<simonrvn>Danielmorais: fix your network
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05:37<wawiawan>piye kabare din......
05:38<wawiawan>ngantuk din.
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05:40<lewis2>anyone good with javascript/ajax?
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05:42<wawiawan>no and u
05:43<wawiawan>go in
05:43<Lemonzest>ajax is for cleaning kitchen worktops!
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05:44<wawiawan>where u from lew..
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05:49<bunder>join yuk..
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06:02<wawiawan>din ngapain aje..
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06:03<angasule>the kernel in squeeze is the same as in lenny, right?
06:04<angasule>hasn't received any updates?
06:04<jm_>yes - you can verify on p.d.o
06:04<themill>judd kernels
06:04<judd>themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); sid: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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06:05<angasule>sorry, 7am :)
06:05<wawiawan>hei ike dmna
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06:09<jrodger>I try and install printers (foomatic gui) but when I complete the printer does not appear, what am I missing? is a network printer and installing by IP
06:10<jm_>you can use web interface to add printers to CUPS
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06:10<jrodger>which web interface?
06:11<jm_>from README.Debian: The printers can be added with either the lpadmin program or the web
06:11<jm_>interface, which is located at http://localhost:631/admin by default.
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06:14<Alex23>csá all
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06:17<wawiawan>alek is u
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06:48<rnd>wo finde ich ein funktionierendes Paket für gpsdrive unter 8.10? Allerdings muss es aktueller sein wie 2.10pre4 - sollte mindestens das neue Fensterhandling für kleine Bildschirme unterstützen und open streetmap support wäre auch ganz gut.
06:49<rnd>dieser Link ist leider tot:
06:50<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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06:50<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
06:51<rnd>oh, wrong language, sorry
06:52<rnd>I am looking for this .deb file: .... but it is a death-link
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06:53<penpen>rnd: the one in lenny shows version 2.10~pre4-6.dfsg-1+lenny1..obtainable from apt
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06:54<rnd>penpen, oh, sorry. I am in the wrong language and the wrong channel. I am a ubuntu user
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06:55<rnd>but I will try to install the deb ... maybe it works.
06:56<jm_>does ubuntu really have such stupid defaults causing so many people to end up here?
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06:58<rnd>jm_, no, ubuntu ends in the right channel. but this is xubuntu
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07:11<eanda>hey all- how do I set permissions on a folder so that even though any user can write to the folder the the permissions written will always be root as the owner and users as the group
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07:34<mupi>I installed tor on my debian box from repos but when I try to run it there is not response.
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07:36<mupi>Although when I port scanned I got the following port 9050/tcp open tor-socks.
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07:46<dakka>hello, any guru's around i can pick the brains of?
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07:47<dakka>hmm, every1 asleep?
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07:51<jrodger>nope, no sleep in Oz dude!
07:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
07:52<dakka>hey there fellow Aussie ;)
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07:59<jrodger>dakka: where you from?
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08:00<jm_>shouldn't you call each other mate?
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08:04<jrodger>mate is a general teem of mutual respect for another gentlemen, despite lvel on social status and standing - in Oz, we're all equal except if you're Kerry Packhe's passed awayer and
08:04<jrodger>and he's passed away
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08:06<dakka>good one mate ;) lol
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08:12<pierre_thierry>what is the recommended way to get a package's original conffile?
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08:13<pierre_thierry>I have installed bacula, the package bacula-director-common has three conffiles, including /etc/init.d/bacula
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08:13<pierre_thierry>the latter was already existing
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08:13<pierre_thierry>I don't have /etc/init.d/bacula.dpkg-new, and reinstalling the package won't do anything, and dpkg won't ask me if I want to replace the file
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08:18<jm_>pierre_thierry: it will replace it if you use it properly
08:19<pierre_thierry>could you define "properly"
08:19<pierre_thierry>I selected the package for reinstall in aptitude and applied my modifications
08:19<jm_>!tell pierre_thierry -about confmiss
08:20<pierre_thierry>my config file is not missing...
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08:22<jm_>yes it is
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08:22<jm_>or am I not understanding something?
08:22<pierre_thierry>jm_: well the file is existing, so I'm not sure we have the same understanding of "missing"
08:23<jm_>pierre_thierry: ok, I am misunderstanding then, sorry
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08:23<pierre_thierry>confnew, then
08:23<pierre_thierry>I guess
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08:24<jm_>dpkg -D200 would show what is going on with that
08:24<dpkg>jm_: I think you lost me on that one
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08:25<stevem_>Lo, I'm thinking of starting a commercial entity where hardware, services, and support would be sold but not software... and utilising FLOSS wherever possible.
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08:25<pierre_thierry>oh, I misread /var/lib/dpkg/info/bacula-director-common.conffiles
08:25<pierre_thierry>it's not /etc/init.d/bacula that's in it, but /etc/init.d/bacula-director!
08:25<stevem_>Does debian have any official paid support option if we ever find a problem we can't handle and need to escalate up?
08:25<petemc>there is no escalate up
08:25<pierre_thierry>stevem_: nothing official, no
08:26<stevem_>right didn't think so
08:26<petemc>ubuntu has support offerings
08:26<stevem_>yeah I know
08:26<pierre_thierry>but you can always try with one of the consultants
08:26<petemc>and a commercial backer
08:26<stevem_>but Ubuntu makes me puke
08:26<eisie>is anyone here who can tell me where i can download debian etch?
08:26<petemc>eisie: its called oldstable now, if that helps
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08:27<eisie>thx, i have a look
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08:28<stevem_>See we would (example software here...) utilize something like FreeNX whenever possible if someone wants Terminal Server like abilities... but give the customer the option of a higher paid support contract so we can get a support contract with NoMachine too.
08:28<stevem_>Although I don't see many going for it
08:28<petemc>stevem_: from a company perspective, ubuntu can make more sense, with releases with guaranteed support times etc
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08:29<stevem_>Does any developer or group of developer or long-looong time users of debian offer any kind of (unofficial in debians eyes) support contracts?
08:29<dsfargeg>can someone help me, i need some file that has important information for the internet connection settings, like the username,password etc. I need it, because i want to change a part of the info, so the computer wouldn't connect to the internet even if restarted. i tried changing the password in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets but it didn't work....
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08:30<petemc>stevem_: ive bought support from phil hands before
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08:30<petemc>and would strongly recommend him
08:30<stevem_>petemc, have any more information than 'phil' ?
08:30<petemc>phil hands
08:30<petemc>just like i said
08:30<stevem_>this guy?
08:31<stevem_>ah ok :) and he is a brit
08:31<stevem_>oh and he runs the kent mirror too, nice
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08:50<san>hi, may i know how to run my ide from my server. but my server does not have X server.
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08:51<jm_>san: you can connect to it with ssh and run X apps - you only need x libs on the server
08:52<san>ok jm , is there any documentation for that
08:53<jm_>san: maybe, just enable X11 forwarding for sshd, and then make sure ssh on client does request it
08:55<san>ok jm , i try
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09:02<marcot>Why do the Packages which depend on ... show a different result the apt-cache showpkg Reverse Depends field?
09:03<jm_>what do you mean?
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09:04<marcot>jm_: When I use aptitude's interface and see the field Packages which depend on sysklogd, I get a different result from apt-cache showpkg sysklogd.
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09:08<jm_>marcot: it looks like aptitude can handle meta packages, while apt-cache can't
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09:08<marcot>jm_: and apt-cache showpkg is showing reverse recommends as reverse depends.
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09:12<jm_>marcot: so I think the info in aptitude is better
09:12<marcot>jm_: I think this is a bug in apt-cache
09:12<jm_>marcot: looks like it yes
09:14<marcot>jm_: it's #204156
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09:18<Cadmium01>I was sshing into my machine and it told me Authenticity could not be determined, got a prompt for yes - no to connect. I checked known_hosts and there were 2 keys stored. after I connected to my host there were 4 hosts in my known k=hosts... is something fshy here?
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09:18<jm_>marcot: heh
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09:20<Cadmium01>Could it be a middle man attack or something?
09:20<koollman>Cadmium01: that, or an ssh upgrade
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09:20<Cadmium01>nothing was upgraded on remote machine
09:21<Cadmium01>I pdates something on local, but dont know what it was
09:21<Cadmium01>koollman, is the part were there are 2 more keys in known hosts fishy?
09:21<Cadmium01>after 1 connection
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09:23<Cadmium01>how can I convert hashes from known_hosts to something meaningful?
09:23*action09 hi
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09:25<Cadmium01>Is there supposed to be 2 lines per host in known hosts?
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09:25<koollman>not sure.
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09:35<Cadmium01>anyone knows?
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09:39<jm_>yeah it adds 2 for me
09:40<Pryon>Hmmm. I'm only seeing one line per host in mine.
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09:42<jm_>hmm it's strange, it only added one line for a host, but it also added another line, no idea what that is
09:42<jm_>ssh-keygen -F only shows one
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09:44<jm_>don't you love security through obscurity?
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10:00<Cadmium01>jm_, Pryon thes second one turns out to be the IP of host
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10:02<Cadmium01>jm_, Pryon use this python script to see what you're looking at :
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10:03<jm_>Cadmium01: yes, after using ssh-keygen -F IP it now shows the other added entry
10:04<jm_>so it seems normal
10:04<Cadmium01>It's incredible ho I learn something every day now that I switched to linux.
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10:04<Cadmium01>Windows just dums people down
10:05<jm_>well there's plenty of chance to learn there too, just the stuff is nowhere near as accessible
10:05<Cadmium01>jm_, exactly
10:05<Cadmium01>I just feel like Debian/linux and the community encourage me to learn
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10:07<davi>How to play a .swf fly?
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10:10<Cadmium01>fly ?
10:10<Cadmium01>davi, I think totem video player plays swfs, doesnt it?
10:11<davi>Let me try
10:11<Cadmium01>or is it flv...
10:11<jm_>flv yeah
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10:13<davi>Cadmium01, I am trying to save to hard disk a video. Any hint welcome
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10:13<Cadmium01>davi, where are you saving video from?
10:13<davi> Note: It is not from youtube
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10:14<Cadmium01>is it a flv file?
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10:15<davi>Let me look the RUL
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10:18<davi>Cadmium01, The video at bottom of page,
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10:21<Cadmium01>davi, this is not Debian related, so join #debian-offtopic and lets discuss it there
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10:25<FiJee>по русски кто ответит?
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10:25<Alcap>hey there
10:25<Alcap>I'm having a few hal issues with lenny
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10:26<Alcap>I require assistance, I was describing the problem
10:27<Alcap>sometimes kaffeine or amarok refuse to open
10:27<Alcap>restarting hal fixes it
10:27<Cadmium01>FiJee, need russian help?
10:27<FiJee>Cad, yeah
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10:27<Alcap>today, I inserted a USB stick and I couldn't mount it, no matter how hard I tried...
10:27<Cadmium01>join #debian-ru
10:27<Alcap>restarting hal also fixed it
10:27<FiJee>thanks a lot
10:28<Alcap>I don't know what's causing this, can anyone help me out?
10:28<Alcap>where does hal log is files to? messages?
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10:28<stew>Alcap: i don't think it logs, but you can watch hal events with "lshal --monitor"
10:29<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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10:29<scientes>where are my startup scripts for desktop sessions?
10:29<Alcap>~/.kde/autostart if you use KDE
10:29<scientes>and why would kde not listen to the turning off/on of startup enctries i did in gnome
10:29<scientes>ahh there are two copies one for gnome one for kde
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10:31<scientes>nah there is nothing in .kde/autostart
10:31<Alcap>stew, it says: "Start monitoring devicelist:" then it's empty
10:31<Alcap>I tried to restart amarok
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10:31<DTE>hi all
10:31<Alcap>I'm going to insert an usb stick
10:31<DTE>i want to collect some netflow statistic from another router
10:32<DTE>i've gave a look to flow-tools and fprobe, but i still have some problems to understand how they work
10:33<Alcap>thanks stew
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10:35<DTE>anybody used flow-capture?
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10:37<debam>hi to all i am getting error as glib.h: No such file or directory
10:37<Cadmium01>What do I need to do to install xmonad wothout getting rid of gnome?
10:38<yang>I have tried to add an entry inside /etc/crypttab "luks-1c08a5b7-9bcd-45a3-a93e-27501bfc29b6 UUID=1c08a5b7-9bcd-45a3-a93e-27501bfc29b6 none" the error with "initramfs" is "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab -"
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11:25<olivier>hallo junge
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11:26<olivier>bin nämlich ne bei ubuntu und möchte mal fragen wie man ein program instalieren kann
11:27<digitaloktay>olivier, dpkg -i und dann programmname
11:27<digitaloktay>olivier, /j
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11:28<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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11:29<streuner__>olivier: /j #ubuntu (
11:29<olivier>digitaloktay, jemand hat mir gesagt ich sollte so mit " sudo.. anfangen
11:29<streuner__>olivier: english please
11:29<digitaloktay>olivier, wechsele zu
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11:30<digitaloktay>streuner, he is on wrong channel :D
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11:31<digitaloktay>olivier, "/j" eingeben ohne anführungzeichen
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11:43<ottoshmidt>gnome panels dont load in debian :( I have launched xchat through terminal
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11:43<ottoshmidt>how to fix that?
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11:47<DanC82>Why would packets sent to ip address A (on eth0) be accepted by eth1 (ip address B)? I have iptables setup to only accept port 22 input on NIC eth0 but occasionally when I ssh to user@A the packets are being dropped because they are accepted by NIC eth1?
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11:51<sam_pogio>Hello everybody.
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11:59<sam_pogio>I have to work on an new ruby project, and the environment I 'll work on is different from mine. I try to create chroot environment to separate diferents ruby environment but I have some trouble with this.
11:59-!-dr|zed is now known as dr|z3d
11:59<sam_pogio>- So my first question is : Is chroot a good thing to do what I want?
11:59<sam_pogio>- How can I change the hostname for my new environment without changing my current session one?
11:59<sam_pogio>- How to deal with permissions ? Should I create the same users from my linux system to my chroot env ?
11:59<sam_pogio>- Is there some tips and importants things to do ?
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12:04<zem_>ottoshmidt: killall gnome-panel
12:04<zem_>ottoshmidt: gnome-panel
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12:25<meth>im using squeeze, i have upgraded my system no, and i have problems with the keyboard
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12:40<cahoot>meth: (out of interest) what version of xkb-data?
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12:42<cahoot>meth: ok thanks - I had a passing problem with keyboard (had to hit twice for each char) xkb-data 1.5.2 seems to work fine here on two sid systems
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12:42<meth>i cant write any character usin alt gr key
12:42<meth>so i cant write (at)
12:43<meth>and so many characters
12:43<cahoot>meth: not even if you choose correct map with setxkbmap?
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12:44<meth>it says all works ok
12:44<meth>and i restart x but no
12:44<meth>it fails
12:45<cahoot>meth: already checked Xorg.0.log?
12:45<meth>it says xkbcomp fails
12:45<meth>(EE) XKB: Couldn't compile keymap
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12:50<meth>yes like that
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13:04<dpkg>one warez list being sent to antonio
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13:22<adri>hi all
13:22<adri>anybody can help me ?
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13:23<adri>why when i`m connected on irc server localhost is refused ?
13:23<adri>resolve to and nothing
13:23<adama>is your irc server running on the standard port?
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13:24<adri>yes 6667
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13:24<adama>nmap localhost -p6667 -- does it say open?
13:24<adri>[SOCKET ERROR]: Connection refused
13:24<adri>6667 is open
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13:25<adri>but shown opnly when ircd is running
13:25<adri>bopm give me errors to
13:26<adri>refused hosts
13:26<adri>and i dont now what i doing
13:27<adama>I don't know what bopm is
13:27<adri>proxy monitor
13:27<adri>lock proxy list in websites
13:27<adama>try specifying the port 6667 with your irc client
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13:27<adri>my irc client is kvirc
13:28<adri>port is corect
13:28<adama>any log in the ircd log?
13:29<adri>Attempting connection to localhost (Standalone Servers) on port 6667
13:29<adri>Looking up the server hostname (localhost)...
13:29<adri>Server hostname resolved to
13:29<adri>[SOCKET ERROR]: Connection refused
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13:30<adri>Connection attempt failed [localhost]
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13:33<adri>mamy i must describe my IP in first line in hosts ?
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13:33<adri> localhost and my IP ?
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13:36<adama>perhaps your irc server is configured to listen on "" or whatever your eth0 is, not the loopback
13:36<adama>try connecting to your regular ip
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13:37<adri>i have a 2 process ircd and bopm and why there link only with IP
13:37<adri>with hostname or servername process dont started
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13:38<adri>firedns_resolveip4("servername is here"): Refused
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13:39<adama>I don't know about all that
13:39<adri>its not normal
13:39<adri>i can`t understand to
13:39<adri>just try try and try :)
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13:40<adri>ok thanks so much
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13:41<fxiny>amphi: news from planet Claire : i can run mutt like never before : XMonad.Util.Run , it opens a term with mutt on it peacefully *smiling* . xmms2 ? no need for a term , only keyboards commands via submap like : ((0, xK_n), spawn "xmms2 next")
13:41<fxiny>wm of the century :P
13:42<Cadmium01>What is the standard minimum size of a screen on machines? (I mean the number of characters that fit on screen in CLI)
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13:42<fxiny>and quitting mutt the term shutdown automagically
13:42<fxiny>so mutt has a guy :)
13:43<Cadmium01>fxiny, I really wanted to try xmonad, Does it replace Gnome? or DOes gnome use other window manager itsleF?
13:43<fxiny>Cadmium01: you can use xmonad *in* gnome
13:43<fxiny>as a wm
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13:44<fxiny>Cadmium01: look at this fine line : , ((modMask x .|. shiftMask, xK_m), raiseMaybe (runInTerm "-title mutt" "mutt") (title =? "mutt"))
13:44<Cadmium01>fxiny, what does gnome use as wm now?
13:45<Cadmium01>fxiny, and what does that fine line accomplish? lol
13:46<fxiny>Cadmium01: so pressing "mod shift m" i open mutt in a term
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13:46<Cadmium01>mod? which keys is that?
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13:47<fxiny>and pressing q for quitting the term goes away , damn good !
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13:47<fxiny>Cadmium01: mod ? type xmodmap
13:47<fxiny>Cadmium01: i use the left alt
13:47<Cadmium01>fxiny, any howtos out there? want to be able to switch back and forth to gnome's wm and xmonad
13:47<simonrvn>Cadmium01: metacity
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13:48<fxiny>Cadmium01: type on google : gnome xmonad
13:48<fxiny>this mutt thing really impressed me
13:48<Cadmium01>fxiny, what does d=gnome use s wm default?
13:48<Cadmium01>as wm by default
13:48<fxiny>Cadmium01: simonrvn told you
13:48<Cadmium01>oh, ok
13:49<Cadmium01>simonrvn, thanks
13:49<Cadmium01>fxiny, thx
13:49<fxiny>Cadmium01: np
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13:52<Cadmium01>fxiny, there is a xmonad package in apt in Lenny, I guess I can just get that
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13:53<Cadmium01>how can I read packae decription/howtos/docs befoier installing??
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13:55<simonrvn>Cadmium01: man apt-cache
13:55<fxiny>Cadmium01: debian provides all xmonad docs you need
13:55<binarymutant>Cadmium01, synaptic or apt-cache showpkg
13:55<Cadmium01>cool thanks
13:56<fxiny>Cadmium01: get all the haskell stuff , don't worry about the 250 or so MB size , just get everything
13:56<gnewb> <that shows alot
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13:58<shaya>is there an option for apt to get it to run multiple downloads from same repository in parallel?
13:58<fxiny>i forgot : same term trick for ssh t
13:59<fxiny>you get the sshPrompt , type as usual in it and when connected bahm ! the term is ready :)
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14:01<fxiny>now i'm after google wikipedia and more , search . i want just type a search say when in emacs or in mrxvt . and loading it in iceweasel for later
14:01<fxiny>this wm is so deep
14:01<fxiny>is not a toy
14:02<binarymutant>dwm > xmonad :P
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14:03<fxiny>no way , look at the contrib : xmonad > wmii > dwm , like the song "first and last and always" :P
14:03<fxiny>last clone is the best of all
14:04<fxiny>binarymutant: i already have two haskell books , i hope to be able to learn it
14:05<binarymutant>fxiny, is haskell compiled? or high level?
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14:05<fxiny>binarymutant: haskell
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14:06<fxiny>i read a couple of pages and it seems a very interesting language
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14:07<fxiny>look at the things they've done cloning dwm with haskell . look at the docs
14:07<gnewb>How would I update Gnome, I have 2.22.3, I may want Gnome 2.26?
14:08<MrBrandon>can someone here help me with installing debian sparc OS on an older sun microsystems ultra 10?
14:08<fxiny>i use only mrxvt iceweasel and emacs : with xmonad i fly
14:08<MrBrandon>when I try booting from cd, after allocating the memory, it says "memory not aligned"
14:08<cahoot>gnewb: face it - bleeding edge and debian doesn't mix
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14:09<gnewb>hehe, good one
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14:12<MrBrandon>thanks guys
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14:14<kurumin>teste 123
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14:15<fxiny>came back soon :P
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14:22<kierah>has anyone tried (recently) to set up a samba print server?
14:23<kierah>seems like all the documentation recommends this global attribute in the config: passdb backend = guest
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14:24<kierah>but that makes log.smbd contain
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14:24<kierah>[2009/03/20 10:06:31, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic(1663) PANIC (pid 2664): pdb_get_methods_reload: failed to get pdb methods for backend guest
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14:30<svend>Is there a way, using aptitude, to install the recommends for a package that is currently installed
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14:30<svend>Something like apt-get install --fix-policy --install-recommends
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14:38<gnewb>svend: Something like apt-dpkg-ref?
14:39<svend>gnewb: I haven't used that command before. It's not an aptitude command, is it?
14:39<gnewb>svend: This page may show you:
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14:40<gnewb>svend: I am still looking for the Aptitude like widget.
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14:42<gnewb>svend: Here is some data on that:
14:43<gnewb>svend: pkgsynch and others are in the repository
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14:49<gnewb>svend: I rarely,if ever actually put a command in a chat, that is just not wise and not advised.
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14:50<svend>I understand
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15:07<hypnotic>hi there, did the distro upgrade process for debian change this year?
15:07<avu>'this year'? :)
15:08<avu>hypnotic, the upgrade process is a little bit different for every release
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15:08<hypnotic>aha ok
15:08<avu>that's why there are release notes, describing what to do
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15:09<hypnotic>well I started with lenny testing, when it became stable I used lenny 2 weeks and changed the source list from lenny > testing again without doing a aptitude full upgrade or dist-upgradepos to
15:10<hypnotic>dont mind the 'pos to' at the end of the sentence
15:10<hypnotic>is this the correct procedure?
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15:12<jcole>i have my own internal debian packages... which debian app will generate these type of pages for me? ->
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15:19<jcole>chahibi: gitting it now :)
15:19<hypnotic>avu: where can i find these release notes?
15:20<simonrvn>!lenny release notes
15:20<dpkg>rumour has it, lenny release notes is at . See also and . Also ask about <i-g>, <installer firmware> <etch->lenny key> <errata>
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15:22<hypnotic>!squeeze release notes
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15:22<hypnotic>simonrvn: i am trying to upgrade to squeeze not lenny
15:23<hypnotic>simonrvn: or better said, i updated to squeeze but i am trying to find out if i did it correctly
15:23<simonrvn>squeeze wouldn't have release notes...
15:24<hypnotic>how can I then determine what the correct procedure is to upgrade to squeeze?
15:24<burun0>good question
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15:24<Nya>I'm trying to install Debian, but am having some problems, anyone mind helping?
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15:25<hypnotic>ofcourse Nya
15:25<burun0>we can try
15:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
15:26<Nya>I'm trying to install from a cd on a computer with a broken ps2 port.
15:26<Nya>I use a usb keyboard, but it doesn't recognize it until the system starts up.
15:27<Nya>But the cd I have doesn't want to autostart the installation, and I've had no luck trying to hit <enter> in any way.
15:27<simonrvn>hypnotic: it's testing, usually you just change sources.list update and pray / meditate / cross fingers
15:27<llutz>Nya: enable usb-legacy support in cmos/bios
15:28<Nya>Would that be in the iso?
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15:28<ranix>cmos/bios ^^^
15:28<hypnotic>simonrvn: o I thought debian had reliable and safe procedures for this, in contrary to ubuntu
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15:29<ranix>hypnotic: squeeze is unstable. You want reliable and safe procedures for upgrading to an unstable repository
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15:29<ranix>hypnotic: please review your request
15:29<simonrvn>hypnotic: no, i was sorta kidding... dist changes like that are usually safe, barring package version issues and such
15:29<hypnotic>ranix: huh, squeeze = testing
15:29<simonrvn>squeeze is not unstable
15:29<ranix>squeeze is also not stable
15:29<Nya>Oh, on the computer's bios itself?
15:30<llutz>Nya: yes, check for it
15:30<Nya>I didn't think of that . . . >_<
15:30<Nya>I was trying to edit the bootloader on the iso.
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15:30<hypnotic>i am talking about the stability of upgrading procedures, not the stability of the system
15:30<ranix>Wasn't the testing repository once called "testing/unstable"?
15:30<Nya>Ok, thank you for helping, sorry for missing the obvious.
15:30<jcole>hypnotic: ubuntu jaunty = testing/unstable also... expect pain with debian squeeze or ubuntu jaunty
15:30<ranix>or was that just an inclusive nominer
15:31<Nya>I'm actually on the computer, so I need to get off.
15:31<Nya>Thanks again!
15:31<simonrvn>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
15:31<dpkg>At present, it should be no more difficult than s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while. If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny.
15:31<simonrvn>hypnotic: ^^^
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15:31<hypnotic>well, i am running squeeze approx since lenny became stable and have not had a serious bug since
15:32<ranix>serious bug depends heavily on your personal, human level of exception handling ability
15:32<stew>hypnotic: we'll were about to start several major transitions, so that is likely to change
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15:33<ranix>for some, an xorg.conf manual edit can be a serious issue
15:33<ranix>for others, that's no big deal
15:33<jcole>hypnotic: sed -i 's/lenny/squeeze/g' /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; echo done
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15:33<hypnotic>simonrvn: i updated to squeeze a while back without the aptitude full-upgrade, can u recommend I do this at this moment instead of exactly at the moment you upgrade?
15:34<stew>hypnotic: anytime you want to do a full-upgrade. do you understand the difference between full-upgrade and safe-upgrade?
15:35<stew>hypnotic: you should read about them in "man aptitude" then
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15:35<simonrvn>man aptitude
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15:40<hypnotic>aha ok, so there is not magical changed in the system architecture with a dist-upgrade, its only choosing a package management strategy
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15:40<hypnotic>* a magical change
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15:41<stew>yes, which afaik is why they are being renamed. 'dist-upgrade' was misleading to people
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15:42<hypnotic>yes much better yes, the idea that debian is just a collection of packages, and the distro a filter did clash with the distro upgrade idea
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15:42<petern>hmm, new kernel
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15:43<hypnotic>but how does a mere upgrade fit into this? what does upgrade do different than full-upgrade?
15:44<hypnotic>or safe-upgrade
15:44<hypnotic>i just did a upgrade after changing sources.list to squeeze
15:45<fxiny>why squeeze ? what's wrong with lenny ?
15:45<hypnotic>why lenny, whats wrong with squeeze?
15:46<fxiny>why are you running squeeze instead of lenny ?
15:46<hypnotic>i always run testing
15:46<fxiny>very logic
15:47<hypnotic>i have a i7 and some things were not working
15:47<hypnotic>nic, lm-sensors
15:47<hypnotic>well they still wont work ;)
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15:48<hypnotic>most linux distros are using a broken driver for my nic
15:48<hypnotic>onboard nic
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15:49<fxiny>it sounds like a kernel business
15:49<hypnotic>it can not activate the nic from some kind of sleep mode
15:49<hypnotic>yeah i was looking into upgrading to sid with 28 kernel
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15:50<hypnotic>have to spare debian installs to play with
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15:51<hypnotic>but you guys are saying squeeze is going to be a very unstable jungle very soon?
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15:53<stew>just after a release testing will often get broken as many library transitions which were held out of the previous testing all start to happen
15:54<stew>transition that should happen soon or are happening that I can think of off the top of my head are imagemagick, tcl, ruby?, python, gnome, kde
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15:55<stepomaticc>can somebody say hi so i know hi is ok
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15:57<hypnotic>stew: aha ok, and why is this? the rules for package transitions from unstable > testing havent changed right?
15:57<hypnotic>hi stepomatic
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15:58<hypnotic>stew: i used sid a long time and never had problems with that either, but squeeze will get worse than a normal sid installation?
15:58<stew>hypnotic: why is what? no the rules for package transitions haven't changed.
15:59<stew>testing breaks less often than sid, but when it does, it often breaks for longer periods of time
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15:59<Gun_Smoke>can someone either confirm that cal -w is broken or I'm doing something wrong? I've tried cal -w cal -3w cal -w 2009 etc etc.. what am I missing.. I only want to know what week this is this year..
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15:59<hypnotic>stew: if those rules havent changed, why will squeeze be more unstable than normal, those packages will remain in sid if they havent met the normal testing criteria?
16:00<stew>hypnotic: becuase testing was frozen for 8 months and was just unfrozen
16:01<stew>hypnotic: and another problem is that in order to facilitate these transitions sometimes a lot of packages have to be removed from testing to let new ones in
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16:01<hypnotic>stew: oooo you mean to tell that testing was very stable for the last 8 months (more stable than normal) and that now testing will go back to its normal stability
16:01<Gun_Smoke>stew, just unfrozen today? this week.. sorry just sort of dropping in..
16:01<stew>hypnotic: yes, testing was frozen for many months in order to prepare the lenny release
16:02<stew>Gun_Smoke: unfrozen on february 15th, when lenny was released
16:02<Gun_Smoke>stew, .. ah.. duh.. lol
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16:02<hypnotic>stew: well i am using testing for 2 years now, so its not that testing is becoming more unstable than normal but that testing was more stable than normal for the last 8 months
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16:03<stew>hypnotic: it is that testing is more unstable than normal
16:03<stew>hypnotic: not just that testing was more stable than normal
16:03<hypnotic>stew: than 2 years ago?
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16:03<stew>hypnotic: yes
16:04<hypnotic>stew: ok, that probably because the testing 'filter' was gone for 8 months
16:04<stew>testing was frozen 2 years ago
16:04<hypnotic>2 years?
16:05<hypnotic>and what about unstable?
16:05<stew>hypnotic: what about it?
16:05<dpkg>somebody said slushy was when a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
16:05<hypnotic>are there similar changes in sid?
16:06<stew>hypnotic: see above
16:06<hypnotic>i always used lenny and sid next to each other
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16:06<hypnotic>ok so from my point of view, i am now coming into debian unstable
16:06<gravity>hypnotic: I think you'll be ok, but be aware that things will very likely break in some fashion
16:06<hypnotic>with squeeze
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16:07<hypnotic>gonna be exciting then
16:07<gravity>Although if you're used to sid breakages you should be ok, barring what stew mentioned about things breaking for longer, though less often
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16:08<hypnotic>im gonna try to ride the testing wave, but i just installed a testing debian for a friend of mine, maybe a quick reinstall would benefit him then
16:08<gravity>And yeah, if your attitude is that it's exciting rather than horrifying, I imagine you'll be ok :-)
16:09<hypnotic>well i was beginning to get a little bored the last couple of months with linux
16:09<hypnotic>so bring it on
16:09<hypnotic>breaking means learning
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16:13<hypnotic>how do you think about using the same home for testing and stable?
16:13<hypnotic>how = what
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16:17<Nya>Hello, I was having troubles with the keyboard and someone suggested enabling Legency-usb in the bios.
16:17<Nya>I tried that, but didn't have any luck.
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16:18<gravity>hypnotic: I do that for unstable and stable. It's not perfect by any means and can cause some problems, but then I only use stable as a backup so I don't need to do it ofent
16:18<gravity>often even
16:18<Nya>I didn't see the option in the bios, and it still won't let me press <enter> to start the install.
16:20<hypnotic>gravity: did the same for testing and unstable, wasnt to happy with it, but if i am gonna install stable now can u recomment copying my /home/user to /home/newuser or just configure everything from scratch
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16:21<hypnotic>gravity: /home/user is testing at the moment
16:21<hypnotic>gravitiy: have no idea how often conf files change
16:21<hypnotic>gravitiy: i mean conf files for users
16:22<Nya>If you don't remember, I was trying to install but the usb keyboard isn't recognized until the system starts, and the Debian installation cd won't autostart; if anyone has any other advice it would be very appreciated.
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16:23<Nya>I'd wanted to edit the bootloader on the cd so that I would autostart, but I'm not sure what to change.
16:23<hypnotic>Nya: can u handle grub with your usb keyboard?
16:23<Nya>You mean can I navigate it?
16:23<Nya>No, I can only get into the bios.
16:24<hypnotic>nya: hmmm nasty
16:24<hypnotic>Nya: i never use usb keyboards, so have no idea how to solve this
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16:24<hypnotic>Nya: can u try another usb keyboard?
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16:25<Nya>But, I have the iso open on another computer, could I try editing the bootloader?
16:25<hypnotic>Nya: at work i am using an usb keyboard and that works normal
16:25<Nya>And, I'm afraid I don't have any others.
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16:26<Nya>It's connected through a pci usb card, if that makes a difference.
16:26<hypnotic>Nya: i guess if u manage to install debian, u still cant use your grub in the future with this keyboard (or these settings in the bios)
16:26<hypnotic>Nya: aha that could well be the problem
16:27<Nya>What could?
16:27<hypnotic>pci card
16:27<hypnotic>you dont have usb ports on your pc?
16:27<Nya>The native usb ports on this computer are broken too >_<
16:28<Nya>It's an older one I got from someone.
16:28<hypnotic>are you gonna use it as desktop or server?
16:28<Nya>Desktop, I only have other laptops right now.
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16:30<hypnotic>Nya: i am afraid i cant help u with this problem, but editing the menu.lst looks like a nice idea, but do you have windows installed on this pc?
16:30<fire>всем здарова
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16:31<fire>а тут русские есть?
16:31<hypnotic>u could try
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16:32<Nya>Do you know if that would auto start the installation process after a certain time period or not?
16:32<hypnotic>install debian from windows, reboots to the installer
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16:33<Nya>Ok, I'll try that.
16:33<Nya>Thank you for helping!
16:33<fire>slakware cool
16:33<hypnotic>when u install it from windows, it adds a line to the windows bootloader, and then u might get into the installer
16:33<hypnotic>Nya: ok, good luck
16:33<Nya>Oh, would I have to be able to move down to it?
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16:34<Nya>I actually tried using the cd from windows, but then I can't move the selection and it autostarts windows.
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16:34<hypnotic>maybe, but u can edit boot.ini in your xp so that debian installer is default boot
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16:35<Nya>Thank you again!
16:35<Nya>That should work, actually.
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16:53<student>Question: I'm running backtrack 4 beta, installed on a Macbook Pro 3,1 and suddenly my sound stopped working after a recent reboot. Any thoughts?
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16:57<gnewb>I want to get a Manual, UNIX or is there a Debian Manual that I can get, I have no printer capabilities, so is there a PDF version?
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16:59<stew>gnewb: the debian reference:
16:59<gnewb>stew: Thank you
17:01<gravity>Stikazzi: You're in the wrong channel
17:01<avu>why is it always italians that come in here thinking they can get warez?
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17:03<gnewb>Lots of reading to do now, thank you kindly
17:03<stew>Stikazzi: what are you trying to do?
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17:06<dpkg>one warez list being sent to heth
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17:07<heth>come posso scaricare
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17:15<cmyers>Greetings all - I have a lenny system on a linode which I am trying to upgrade to testing. In doing so, glibc is updated, and it gives a "FATAL: kernel is too old" error, but the kernel I am running is the latest 2.6 kernel available for linodes ( Is 2.6.23 really too old to work with debian testing at this time?
17:15<dpkg>one warez list being sent to heth
17:15<cmyers>or perhaps they build their kernel with a weird option which is confusing it?
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17:18*cmyers hears crickets
17:18<tcsetattr>from a "testing glibc" point of view, 2.6.23 is pretty darn old.
17:18<gravity>heth: This isn't a warez channel. Stop it or leave.
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17:20<stew>heth: what do you need help with?
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17:30<gnewb>Thank you stew, I now have mc and other neato stuff.
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17:33<gnewb>I am going to start learning again.
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17:35<dpkg>it has been said that qotd79 is <Overfiend> I think I want to fork GCC. Any time a compiler warning or error would be spewed, my version would just say: gcc: something wrong d00d
17:35*adama searches freshmeat
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17:38<valeria>1st time user just installed ubuntu 8.10
17:38<valeria>having problem w wireless
17:38<stew>valeria: ask #ubuntu on
17:38<valeria>cannot install Broadcom 4306
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17:40<valeria>I tried a lot of things no luck
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17:40<valeria>how do I #ubuntu
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17:41<valeria>how do i ask #ubuntu
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17:41<stew>valeria: "/server" and "/join #ubuntu"
17:42<valeria>Stew : in browser or terminal?
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17:44<stew>valeria: in your irc client
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17:45<valeria>Stew: Thx 4 help. sorry, total newbie. 1st day . 1st try. not sure what that means.
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17:46<pioruns>Hello! I wan't to listen internet radio using console. Which program i should have?
17:46<avu>valeria, in the exact same place you just wrote that message, you write /server
17:47<avu>pioruns, mplayer for example
17:47<valeria>stew: will do.thx again
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17:50<mralexandro>i have sound issues in ubuntu hardy heron 8.04. is this the correct channel for that?
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17:50<avu>mralexandro, no
17:50<mralexandro>ok may i pleasy have the channel
17:50<mralexandro>and if required server
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17:51<mralexandro>maybe i should try on freenode ?
17:51<avu>#ubuntu on
17:51<stew>mralexandro: #ubuntu on
17:51<mralexandro>thanks guys
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18:11<cmyers>tcsetattr: thanks for the reply about glibc. Do you know what kernel I need, minimum, to work with the glibc in testing right now? Or where I can find that info?
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18:12<cmyers>looks like testing is on 2.6.26?
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18:21<cmyers>weird....linode has kernels as new as 2.6.28 on their list, but they aren't showing up for me. Guess this is an issue to take up with linode at this point =) thanks guys.
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18:28<chealer>cmyers: testing has Linux 2.6.26, yes
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18:48<Wilduck>Hey, I'm trying to use aptitude to install gcc, but don't have my install cds with me. Is there a way around this?
18:50<simonrvn>comment out the cd line(s) and install from remote, make sure you include security too.
18:51<Wilduck>I don't know how to do that...
18:51<Wilduck>the cd line's in what file?
18:51<Wilduck>is install from remote an option in some program?
18:52<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
18:52<dpkg>from memory, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in Lenny, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>
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18:52<simonrvn>!tell Wilduck -about security
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18:53<Wilduck>so in sources.list, I should comment out the line starting with deb cdrom?
18:53<case_>I have an older computer that cant use ipv6, i've tried blacklisting it but it still wont work
18:53<Wilduck>do I then need to restart aptitude?
18:54<azeem>Wilduck: why do you need gcc?
18:54<Wilduck>I'm trying to learn c, and need a compiler
18:55<Wilduck>is there a better option?
18:55<simonrvn>!tell Wilduck -about b-e
18:55<Wilduck>so I need both of these?
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18:55<case_>how can I blacklist ipv6?
18:56<simonrvn>Wilduck: install build-essential, it'll drag in a few things, like the bot told you
18:56<Wilduck>in addition to gcc, or in place of it?
18:57<simonrvn>the former
18:57<Wilduck>ok, thanks
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18:58<azeem>case_: I think you can uncomment the "# alias net-pf-10 off" in /etc/modules.conf
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18:59<ncfi1013>i can't see my cursor arrow. what should i do?//
19:00<simonrvn>move it around a bit
19:00<adama>ncfi1013: plug in your mouse?
19:01<ncfi1013>it is plugged in
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19:01<adama>ncfi1013: cat /dev/input/mice , and move it around
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19:02<ncfi1013>it moves it selects its the amazing invisible mouse cursor!
19:02<adama>neat :)
19:03<simonrvn>run away, quickly!
19:03<adama>there is a command for this... trying to remember here
19:03<simonrvn>:P. hm, maybe the theme did something weird? x lost some data? were you running some OGL app?
19:03<simonrvn>x set perhaps?
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19:05<adama>ncfi1013: run gconf-editor, and check in desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse
19:05<Wilduck>simonrvn, thanks for the help
19:06<adama>if you are using gnome
19:06<Wilduck>it looks like it installed nicely
19:06<k0pp>does anyone know about PXE booting? or network booting or whatever its called
19:06<adama>probably, ask your real question
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19:06<simonrvn>Wilduck: have fun
19:07<ncfi1013>adama permission denied and im in linux intrepid
19:07<Wilduck>I will
19:07<simonrvn>ubuntu intrepid. ...
19:07<k0pp>i have no idea what my real question is, basically, i have a machine without an OS on it, and i dont have any blank cd-r's. i want to know if i can install linux on that machine from PXE network boot (i think thats what its called)
19:07<adama>ncfi1013: we can only support debian here, sorry
19:07<simonrvn>ncfi1013: /server
19:07<simonrvn>ncfi1013: /join #ubuntu
19:08<azeem>k0pp: yes, start reading the documentation
19:08<k0pp>azeem, where?
19:09<azeem>on the net, e.g.
19:09<k0pp>ok. but azeem, just to be sure.. that is possible, right?
19:09<lexiyntax>k0pp: If you have a USB memory device of some sort handy, that's easier.
19:09<azeem>k0pp: sure, if your computer supports pxe boot
19:09<k0pp>lexiyntax, i have failed many many times making a USB drive bootable
19:09<azeem>but yeah, if it can boot off usb, that'd be even easier
19:10<k0pp>if someone could point me at a _easy_ tutorial to follow, i'd give it a shot
19:10<azeem>k0pp: did you read the relevant sections in the debian-installer manual?
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19:10<k0pp>azeem, i dont use ubuntu currently.
19:10<k0pp>im just here because.
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19:10<k0pp>i dont use debian currently*
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19:14<goodger>I think I should win a prize--- system load average is currently 11.10
19:14<azeem>k0pp: so ask the channel of whatever linux you're tryng to install
19:15<k0pp>azeem, my question is OS independent i believe
19:15<lexiyntax>k0pp: This looks promising:
19:15<azeem>k0pp: yes, but this channel only does Debian support
19:15<k0pp>teag lexiyntax im reading that now :p
19:16<k0pp>azeem, im very aware
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19:16<azeem>k0pp: apparently not
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19:16<k0pp>why are you trying to argue with me, i had a question that had nothing to do with any OS really, just for anyone who had tried it
19:17<azeem>you started argueing that the debian-installer manual wasn't applicable
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19:18<Steven_M>hi all
19:18<josh>anybody use backtrack?
19:18<k0pp>all i can do is just say wow. anyways, thanks lexiyntax. im already half way through it :P
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19:18<k0pp>josh, yep.
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19:18<Guest1051>kopp..i cant get it to load on my pc
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19:18<lexiyntax>k0pp: More examples and info here-
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19:19<Guest1051>im using xubuntu tha guy @ the computer shop told me i could load all of the things from backtrack to xubuntu
19:19<k0pp>josh, forgive my asking, but your BIOS has your CDROM as your primary boot device yes?
19:19<Guest1051>yes why?
19:19<azeem>Guest1051: how did you get into this channel?
19:19<k0pp>josh, im attempting to hel you debug your issue
19:19<azeem>Guest1051: and which version of Xubuntu are you running, in case your know?
19:20<simonrvn>goodger: nah, that's nothing i've been on a single-cpu box where the load was 100-odd
19:20<Steven_M>who here uses the aptitude blue menu interface, instead of the aptitude command line interface?
19:20<simonrvn>Steven_M: lots of people
19:20<k0pp>josh, is it just.. skipping by the backtrack boot sequence entirely and booting your xubuntu? or is it failing at some point
19:21<simonrvn>!tell Steven_M -about ask
19:21<Guest1051>this is my first day on xubuntu...i couldnt get my broadband to work right i had to get the computer guy to set it up
19:21<azeem>Guest1051: which version of xubuntu?
19:21<Guest1051>it wont let me into backtrack the screen just goes black
19:21<k0pp>Hrm, is this the new beta Backtrack4?
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19:22<Guest1051>it says xfce 4
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19:22<Steven_M>simonrvn: that's good
19:22<simonrvn>Steven_M: *read* it
19:23<azeem>Guest1051: what does "lsb_release -a" say?
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19:25<ottoshmidt>zem_, thing with my gnome-panel was that I removed some evolution-server packages and panel itself unintentionally, and that was why it wouldn't load :D
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19:27<Steven_M>when you select mark upgradable from the aptitude blue menu interface, does it do a safe upgrade or a full upgrade?
19:27<azeem>Steven_M: full/safe upgrade only make sense machine-wide
19:27<azeem>you're defining package-specific policy then
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19:29<Steven_M>azeem: sorry I don't understand.
19:30<azeem>Steven_M: maybe I don't understand what you're trying todo
19:30<azeem>sorry then
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19:32<synz>in csh, what does this mean: "if($?tcsh)"
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19:32<stew>Steven_M: no, it does whatever you tell it to do. it will give you an explicit list of all the tasks it will perform before performing them, you can adjust it as you like
19:32<dpkg>one warez list being sent to salvo
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19:33<synz>sweet, we gots debian FOSS warez in here now
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19:35<goodger>honest goodger's discount .deb emporium, the one-stop shop for all your floss warez needs!
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19:35<simonrvn>hehe... he just did that in freenode's #debian
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19:35<synz>I hope his Debian warez come with keygens
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19:36<Steven_M>azeem: what I need to know is, is going through the blue menu interface and selecting mark upgradeable a good way to install security ugrades, or should I do full upgade with the command line?
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19:37<synz>blue menu? is that anything like the "blue pill" vs the "red pill"?
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19:38<goodger>Steven_M: unless in cases of an "interesting" dependency situation, Synaptic, apt-get and aptitude are all very capable of installing updates
19:39<ml>Steven_M: I woul do it in cli safe-upgrade
19:39<simonrvn>Steven_M: mark upgradable can be enabled to do it auto. from the options. then you just do update (u), (g; prepare/install)(g; download), etc.
19:40<goodger>I would also do that, but that's just because it's more efficient
19:40<synz>oh my, is he talking about dselect?
19:41<ml>synz: no aptitude
19:41<goodger>synz: I don't think anyone here is talking about dselect
19:41<synz>oh, whew
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19:41<ml>hes talking about aptitude gui
19:42<ml>well sort of a gui
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19:44<simonrvn>nui, ncurses ui or tui, text ui ;p
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19:46<Steven_M>so using the aptitude blue menu interface and selecting mark upgradeable, then pressing g is no different from doing aptitude upgrade via command line, right?
19:46<josh_>is there any way i can download the backtrack apps to xubuntu
19:48<goodger>Steven_M: indeed
19:48<goodger>!tell josh_ about ubuntu
19:48<josh_>yeah...i need to learn a bit
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19:50<Steven_M> goodger: good I was worried it would do a safe-upgrade instead of upgrade
19:50<goodger>Steven_M: those are the same thing. upgrade is deprecated, too
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19:53<Steven_M> goodger: ok, so there's no way it would skip some upgrades?
19:53<ufo49>Hi alle
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19:53<goodger>Steven_M: if you run it within the ncurses interface, I believe it will attempt to do a full-upgrade, but don't quote me
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20:14<Wilduck>quick question: I'm using kdm, can I have my /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc file point to any jpg in the urs/share/wallpapers directory?
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20:23<Wilduck>Answer: you can, but it will throw off your theme
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20:26<anesh>how do i install xp after ubuntu?
20:27<anesh>my computer shuts down when i install xp
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20:27<goodger>anesh: unfortunately, neither of those operating systems are supported here. please refer to #ubuntu on freenode, and may help
20:27<themill>!dual boot guide
20:27<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. see for an ISO image to help fix up grub problems.
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20:29<anesh>do u think because ubuntu installed my computer shuts down when i install
20:29<blarson>!tell anesh about ubuntu
20:29<anesh>when i install xp*
20:30<abrotman>anesh: how is this a Debian issue ?
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20:31<anesh>sorry iam leaving now
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20:47<xsun>Hi there, I'm looking for some good UML tool in Debian repository. Anyone have some suggestion to me?
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20:51<aijnknknj>hello i m using knoppix 4.0 and i just got this hard drive and i formatted it to ntfs. now im trying to get data off a windows harddrive onto my new hard drive without using windows. when i tried making the blank hard drive read write access i got a big warning about getting my files corrupted
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20:52<xsun>Ok, I will use dia anyway...
20:54<goodger>xsun: neato is quite pleasant
20:54<goodger>!tell aijnknknj about knoppix
20:55<xsun>Ok goodger, I will try! Thanks for you tip!
20:55<goodger>good luck, xsun... you'll probably need it with neato :)
20:55<xsun>Is neato in Debian official repository?
20:55<xsun>I did not find
20:56<goodger>xsun: it's within the graphviz package
20:56<goodger>you'll want to look up its website for documentation etc.
20:56<xsun>libgraphviz-perl this one?
20:56<xsun>Ok then
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21:01<synz>aijnknknj, it's probably using the old ntfs module. try ntfs-3g instead
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21:19<Steven_M>goodger: are you still there?
21:19<goodger>technically, yes
21:20*abrotman is skeptical
21:20<goodger>slightly delirious
21:20<goodger>how can I help?
21:20<Steven_M>goodger: hehe :)
21:21<goodger>oh, you were upgrading
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21:23<_ricco_>hali... valaki még ébren van? virtualbox-szal kapcsolatos kérdésem lenne, mégpedig az, hogy nem tudom beüzemelni az USB-t
21:23<Steven_M>goodger: Does this log entry proove the upgrages went without any problems?:
21:24<goodger>Steven_M: it appears to
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21:27<Steven_M>goodger: does the important bit at the top of the log mean that if something fails, it wouldn't show up in the log?
21:28<goodger>Steven_M: yes
21:28<goodger>were there any errors when it was actually running?
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21:33<synz>I'm having troubles running remote X-based binaries located on a remote system on my local X server. I have $DISPLAY set to myIP:0.0 but it still doesn't work. xhost is set to + so all access is granted. any clues?
21:33<Steven_M>not that I could see but there were a lot messages that flashed by to quick. I think it's rather silly for a log to omit errors.
21:33<Steven_M>@ goodger
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21:34<synz>errors are normally directed to stderr (which is normally the tty you're currently using), but they can also be directed to a logfile as well
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21:35<Steven_M>synz: ok
21:35<synz>how are things in kiwi-land?
21:36<Steven_M>very good, nice fine day. :)
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21:36<Steven_M>synz: where are you from?
21:37<synz>San Francisco Bay Area
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21:38<Steven_M>synz: cool, how are things there?
21:39<synz>not bad. the sun is beginning to shine more, so we have sunny weather with a cool breeze
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21:40<Steven_M>synz: sounds good :)
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21:46<awatt>it is me linuxMafia
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21:46<awatt>Linux LinuxMafia 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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21:48<awatt>so i need to add non-freeÉ
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21:53<dpkg>methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
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22:48<Steven_M>goodger: I've got one last question for you
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22:50<abrotman>Steven_M: just ask
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22:57<Steven_M>goodger: I ran aptitude full-upgrade before, if any of the previous upgrades were skiped before because of aptitude doing a safe-upgrade instead of a full-upgrade would the be upgraded now?
22:57<abrotman>if there's an update available
22:58<abrotman>and there are no other issues
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23:00<donza>is there a bug with lenny installer? i get an error telling there aint boot partition on the first primary partition of my hdd
23:00<donza>but there is
23:01<donza>im using raid1
23:02<Steven_M>abrotman: here's the output
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23:33<vharus>hello; I've got a quick question. I want to add a public key to my authorized_keys2 file. can I just paste it below the origenal one? or does there need to be a break.
23:34<kop>vharus : It needs to be on another line.
23:34<vharus>nods. thanks
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23:54<stuart>Do ATI AGP cards work with linux 3d desktops?
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23:58<Piet>not with open source drivers, but yes
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