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---Logopened Tue Mar 24 00:00:42 2009
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00:08<snogglethorpe>btw, anyone have an intuition for how fast the atom CPU (single core, 1.6ghz) in one of these netbooks feels in comparison to a (mobile?) turion at 1.8ghz? from reading around, i've seen some comment that mabye it's about half the speed at the same clock
00:08<twb>I'm not familiar with turions at all, sorry.
00:09<snogglethorpe>twb: roughly the same performance as a pentium-m
00:09<twb>I'm not familiar with those, either :-)
00:09<enouf>ok, compare it to a core2duo notebook then
00:09<snogglethorpe>core2duo is certainly going to be faster of course
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00:10<twb>The atoms I've used have more than fast enough for a full gnome desktop, fwiw
00:10<enouf>the question is; if same clock, what's the ratio
00:10<snogglethorpe>(2 cores + humongous cache + out-of-order + ...)
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00:11<manphiz>twb: still no exact data, but it is said to be a 3-core battery...
00:13<daniel>"still questioning myself"--anyone know much about server bandwidth requirements?
00:13<snogglethorpe>"lots is good"?
00:13<daniel>lol but is 2mb upstream good enough as a start
00:14<snogglethorpe>isn't all of this highly dependent on what exactly you're gonna do with it...?
00:14<daniel>joomla site
00:14<daniel>no streaming
00:14<snogglethorpe>"my granny's dog lace fan page addendum" is less demanding than, say, "slashdot"
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00:17<daniel>maybe up to 50 people at first, email and lamp server, no streaming media, except for maybe some flash
00:17<twb>daniel: bandwidth between what and what?
00:18<daniel>2mb upstream is what I will start with
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00:19<daniel>rr business class acount, I can go higher, but want to get away with as little as possible for now
00:25<snogglethorpe>what's the recommended way of dealing with bug reports which are apparently being ignored...?
00:26<snogglethorpe>(meaning, never replied to, nor modified in the bug system, but the maintainer is apparently uploading new releases of the software [which don't fix the bug])
00:26<snogglethorpe>should I send a followup? contact the maintainer directly...?
00:28<dondelelcaro>snogglethorpe: mail the bug and provide more information or a patch if possible
00:28<snogglethorpe>dondelelcaro: i suppose a patch is a good idea
00:28<snogglethorpe>dondelelcaro: maybe the maintainer's jus being lazy
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00:29<sortadi>what happened with madwifi in debian testing?
00:29<dondelelcaro>usually the maintainer is just busy, or doesn't know the right way to fix the problem, or something else
00:29<sortadi>I'm trying to build madwifi module using module-assistant
00:29<sortadi>for Debian Testing on amd64
00:30<dondelelcaro>sortadi: there's a driver already in the kernel
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00:30<sortadi>dondelelcaro, with all due respect, that driver stinks
00:30<sortadi>dondelelcaro, it doesn't support scanning
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00:32<dondelelcaro>sortadi: provide patches to fix it, then. See 519446.
00:32<dondelelcaro>(and in the worst case, you could still use the driver in stable)
00:32<sortadi>dondelelcaro, I had the same problem a month ago when I first installed this laptop. It came out of the box with that driver you're speaking about. I couldn't scan anything. Then I used madwifi-source to build madwifi and it went just fine
00:34<sortadi>dondelelcaro, so how come there's madwifi-source on Debian squeeze and not a needed dependency for it as madwifi-tools?
00:34<dondelelcaro>sortadi: uh... there isn't?
00:34<sortadi>dondelelcaro, no
00:35<sortadi>dondelelcaro, there's just madwifi-source and not madwifi-tools, hence m-a fails
00:35<dondelelcaro>sortadi: neither exists in squeeze.
00:35<sortadi>dondelelcaro, hmmm so I guess they were outsted quite recenty
00:35<sortadi>dondelelcaro, since I have it installed here
00:35<dondelelcaro>about a week ago
00:35<sortadi>no wonder
00:36<dondelelcaro>(since 2.6.28 made it in)
00:36<sortadi>so you suggest going to lenny=
00:36<dondelelcaro>you can use lenny's version, or you can use the ath drivers
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00:41<sortadi>dondelelcaro, I don't see 2.6.28 in squeeze
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00:44<dondelelcaro>sortadi: it hasn't migrated yet
00:44<dondelelcaro>!why is linux-image-2.6.28-1-686 not in testing
00:44<dpkg>linux-image-2.6.28-1-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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00:46<GinoMan>it doesn't support alpha, hppa, mips, and sparc?
00:46<GinoMan>is that really the only reason
00:47<snogglethorpe>"missing 1 binary"?
00:51<dondelelcaro>because the build failed
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00:53<gnewb>So that is why the matlab thing did not function, let me repair that now.
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01:01<k1lumin4t1>madwifi > *
01:01<dondelelcaro>k1lumin4t1: uh... it's non-free, binary-only garbage. We can't support it, can't fix bugs in it, so we aren't going to distribute it.
01:02<dondelelcaro>if you have problems with the ath drivers, make patches, file bugs, or otherwise help the developers of the ath drivers to make them better.
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01:03<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, I don't have enough time to help developers, nor the knowledge to build patches, sorry
01:03<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; then complaining isn't terribly productive
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01:45<pongy>c'è nessuno???
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01:52<cesurasean>how come I can't change my resolution to a smaller one?
01:52<cesurasean>some kind of video card issue, I presume.
01:55<chealer>!tell pongy about it
01:57<twb>cesurasean: xrandr
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01:57<GinoMan>hey, what's a command line tool I can use to download a page from a website
01:58<GinoMan>and store as a temporary file for parsing
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02:00<UnDerTaKer>hey all
02:00<twb>GinoMan: wget
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02:05<GinoMan>wget ?
02:05<twb>GinoMan: there is a manual included in the wget package.
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02:09<Siccness>whats up all
02:09<GinoMan>.... sorry... dumb question
02:09<GinoMan>not much
02:09<jm_>Siccness: ceiling for me
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02:12<slimjim>can anyone tell me if this looks write for command (mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdb1)
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02:15<slimjim>anyone in here tonight
02:16<datak>is morning here!! ;)
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02:17<slimjim>know anything bout fdisk and all that
02:17<le_Lapin>totally OT: i'm a P4 1.3GHz 32 or 64 bits ?
02:18<slimjim>32? i thought only AMD made 54bit
02:18<slimjim>i mean 64
02:19<jm_>le_Lapin: 32bit
02:19<slimjim>that is what i was thinking too
02:19<slimjim>64bit is AMD
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02:20<datak>actually is not 64 bit, is lie 63 1/2 ;)
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02:21<slimjim>well never the less window$ isnt a true 64bit os anyways =)~
02:21<slimjim>hey anyone up for trying to take a stap at helping me with my 1tb ext usb drive. trying to get it formated
02:21<snogglethorpe>man 1/2 a bit...
02:22<snogglethorpe>that's gotta take some advanced tech
02:22<jm_>now that will take some time - formatting 1TB
02:22<slimjim>yea i was able to fdisk it to fat32
02:22<slimjim>but when i mk it does not go thur/
02:23<slimjim>i did it with ext3 but got error at the end was not able to mount it
02:23<slimjim>not sure if when i fdisk it i did not flag it bootable if that might have been the issue
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02:24<slimjim>jm_ wanna take a stap at it
02:24<jm_>no that's irrelevant for anything other than booting
02:24<slimjim>ok well you want details
02:25<slimjim>as to the drive and if so i can also pastebin if you want
02:25<jm_>what exactly is the problem?
02:26<slimjim>ok it was not working right between my win$ machine and my linux box. stupid Western Digital auto run crap so i was gona format it and make it a clean drive. decided to go all linux since i have a small linux distro on the lappy also. follwed steps to a tea and when the mk was done it had an error
02:26<slimjim>the problem was it would mount i would open it then it would unmount and not let me see it again
02:27<jm_>what was the error?
02:27<slimjim>now i can not seem to get mk to work to make it f32
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02:29<slimjim>ok give it a min just did "mkdosfs -F32 /dev/sda1 and now it is doing something not sur ewhat yet but something the light is flashing but terminal is not showing anything else but (mkdosfs 3.0.1 (23 Nox 2008)
02:29<jm_>are you sure you are formatting the right drive? be very careful or you'll end up formating your / or /home
02:30<slimjim>i am guessing it is formating. cuase with ext3 it would show me progress
02:30<slimjim>yea sep dev
02:30<slimjim>my home and all are hda
02:30<slimjim>this is sda
02:30<jm_>interrupt it and use -v
02:30<slimjim>ctrl c to interupts
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02:31<slimjim>got nothing wont let me interupts it
02:31<slimjim>light on drive is stil flashing
02:31<slimjim>i can unplug it but not sure what dammage that might do
02:31<jm_>what state is the process in?
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02:32<slimjim>ok i am back at $
02:32<slimjim>now you want me redo (mkdosfs -F32 /dev/sda1 -v
02:32<jm_>put -v before device
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02:33<slimjim>ok after -F32
02:33<slimjim>or instead of -F32
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02:34<slimjim>got a failed whilst writing reserved sector
02:35<jm_>check dmesgoutput
02:35<jm_>dmesg output
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02:35<slimjim>comes back with alot you need me to pastbin
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02:37<slimjim>hold on let me clear the terminal window and redo dmesg
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02:40<jm_>wyeah there are errors related to your USB drive there
02:40<slimjim>yea i see that
02:40<slimjim>so how do i start from scratch =)
02:40<slimjim>i am so lost now.....
02:41<slimjim>i am guessing start by unpluging the drive from the box first right
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02:42<jm_>try that yes
02:42<slimjim>ok and you want the (dmesg | tail)
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02:44<jm_>no, just try it again - I just needed that to confirm you are seeing an error, but I have no clue what it all means
02:45<slimjim>hahaha ok
02:45<slimjim>let me try
02:45<slimjim>ok it is attached now no error you want output
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02:48<slimjim>jm_ still there
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02:49<jm_>well just try the mkfs again, otherwise you'd need to talk to people who know USB stuff
02:50<slimjim>ok let me try that aagin (mkdosfs -F32 -v /dev/sda1)
02:51<slimjim>came back with contains a mounted files system let me unmount it
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02:53<slimjim>anyone here know USB harddrives
02:53<jm_>there's probably a similar error in dmesg now
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02:57<slimjim>yea let me look
02:58<slimjim>ok looks like i have to blast is again
02:58<slimjim>let me try linux chanell i dont think anyone else is awake in here
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03:06<slimjim>if you wait a min i can get the other pastebins go to with it
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03:19<Supaplex>!lart herself
03:19*dpkg pulls out his louisville slugger and uses herself's head to break the homerun record
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03:22<simonrvn>Supaplex: what did you do this time? :P
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03:33<Supaplex>tricked dpkg :)
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03:40<slimjim>can someone tell me the command for mk to format ntfs
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03:43<gsimmons>slimjim: mkntfs (ntfsprogs package)
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03:44<slimjim>what about mkfs.ntfs
03:44<jm_>that won't solve your problems reported by USB stack
03:44<slimjim>i think what was going wrong was i was fdisking wrong
03:44<slimjim>found it in the code i was fdisk /dev/sda1 isntead of /dev/sda
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03:45<slimjim>this last go around i got no erros or anything jm with hpfs/ntfs option 7 for type in fdisk and dmesg showed now erros nor did fdisk -l
03:45<slimjim>so now i am formationg
03:45<slimjim>was mkfs.ntfs /dev/sda1 the wrong command )(
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03:46<jm_>slimjim: but you had a working default partition table - I don't see how this woulc have casued it
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03:46<slimjim>i dunno i started from scratch with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=10<>
03:46<slimjim>without the <>
03:47<jm_>ahh bummer, yes that deleted it
03:47<slimjim>then unpluged it waited a min then pluged it in
03:47<slimjim>then started the whole process over and finally got it so i could get to the fdisk and then fs
03:47<slimjim>but while i was trying to make the partion i kept telling fdisk to goto /dev/sda1 instead of sda =)
03:47<jm_>even mkdosfs should work now
03:48<slimjim>what i want to know tho is mkfs.ntfs /dev/sda1 will that work and format it the right way
03:48<slimjim>cause it is saying initializing device with zeros
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03:48<slimjim>and the ligh on the drive is flashing
03:48<jm_>you have ntfs related resources on
03:48<jm_>that will take some time
03:49<slimjim>yea i am sure it will...but it started should i stop it and do another way. right now i just want to get it started so i can lay down for a bit =) what is your sugestion
03:49<jm_>well you need to leave it running if you want ntfs
03:50<slimjim> i did it right then for the mkfs.
03:50<slimjim>proper command that is
03:50<slimjim>i am so out of it. and got way to used to GUI that when it was time to go back to the command it is hard to get back in touch with it
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03:55<slimjim>jm_ i am going to let it run thanks agian
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04:03<kaiten4>It's 2009. do I still need xgl for compiz for NVidia cards? Or can I use AIGLX.
04:04<Nemoder>aiglx will work
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04:05<kaiten4>Nemoder: I'm sorry. I forgot to mention, I'm using legacy nvidia driver/hardware. Still a go?
04:05<Nemoder>not sure what driver version they added it
04:06<kaiten4>cause I have aiglx and the correct xorg.conf for it, though I run compiz, my WM dissappears, everything dissappears and then I have no WM. Could be a configuration error, or I am using the completly wrong server idk.
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04:09<kaiten4>I'll go ahead and install xgl
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05:00<p1n0>conoscete una buona lista server x amule ?
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05:15<Xeross>Hey, how can i convert the loadAvg to %
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05:15<petern>you don't
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05:16<Xeross>How can i get cpu % then
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05:16<petern>top will tell you
05:16<jm_>% of what?
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05:17<Xeross>cpu usage
05:17<Xeross>i need to parse it into php so top wont work
05:18<avu>top -b -n 1
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05:20<laurent>hi, i set a new system user thru adduser --system --group ... cmd and i gave this user a .ssh/authorized_keys
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05:21<laurent>now i can access a remote shell on that machine even if it is set to /bin/false :(
05:23<laurent>how can i prevent from remote shell access but allow cmd like ssh://gitreposotories... ?
05:23<laurent>i mean git ssh:// ?
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05:24<avu>only allow the user/key in question to run git-shell
05:24<avu>you can do that per key in the authorzed_keys file
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05:25<ml>/usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten tcp <--- what does that do?
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05:27<DjMT>do it and find out
05:27<DjMT>it prolly means don't listen to tcp
05:27<DjMT>socket connections to X server
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05:28<ml>DjMT: heh it's already running at boot and I did not set it up
05:28<laurent>ok avu, i will add command="git-shell" at the begining of each ssh pub-keys, thank you :)
05:28<ml>why is running
05:28<avu>ml, it starts the X server without it listening for incomming TCP connections..
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05:29<ml>avu: is that for security purposes ?
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05:29<avu>ml, the 'not listening for incomming TCP connections' part, yes
05:30<avu>ml, most people don't need that. you can still use ssh to do remote X stuff
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05:31<ml>avu: ask becuase I see it using a few cycles now and again 1%-3% and some memory
05:31<Skaarj>i found an error in an documentation-translation .... where should i report it ?
05:31<avu>ml, well of course your X server uses resources..
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05:32<avu>Skaarj, most likely
05:32<avu>Skaarj, ie use reportbug(1)
05:33<ml>avu: oh so that is not a seperate process just part os X
05:33<avu>ml, no idea what you mean by that. Of course it's a seperate process, if it wasn't, you wouldn't see it in the process list
05:34<avu>ml, it is not "part of X", it /is/ the X server
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05:35<mikeyjk>anyone here have any experience with debian on the ps3?
05:35<Skaarj>avu : there are only categorys for packages ... this error isnt related to an package
05:35<ml>just find it wierd in one computer it doesn't use hardly anything and the other it used that above
05:35<avu>Skaarj, of course it is?
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05:36<avu>Skaarj, every bit of documentation comes in some package
05:36<amphi>ml: xrestop might be enlightening
05:36<ml>amphi: hello
05:36<ml>amphi: how so?
05:37<amphi>ml: try it ;0
05:37<Skaarj>avu , soory i forgot to say that i am talking the documenation on and nothing liek manpages
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05:37<amphi>ml: it'll show processes that are using significant X resources
05:38<avu>Skaarj, I even thought you did. and still, it all has its package. what document are you talking about exactly?
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05:38<ml>amphi: I must need to install it nothing happens
05:39<Skaarj>avu: i found a bugreportinglink at the bottom of the document
05:40*ml installing xrestop
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05:42<hever> Hi. What time to use with dump -T ? Manpage tells the date ctime(3) uses. But this doesn't work. I used for example 1237885980 or "Tue Mar 24 10:37:33 CET 2009" both don't work what means I'm getting an error like: DUMP: bad time "1237885980". What format must I use to specify the date ?
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05:47<ml>amphi: xrestop does not mention anything unusual
05:48<ml>or anything to do with tcp
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05:49<Xeross>Is there a command that outputs disk size and space used of a disk
05:50<ml>Xeross: df -h
05:50<Xeross>i prefer just df so it doesnt shorten em
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06:11<philsf>can someone shed some light on what mighr have caused the following saslauthd errors? This is the first occurrence yesterday morning, and it started working again by 20h, on its own. I didn't make any change in configurations that might have caused this. It seems to only have happened to one user, while another could authenticate and send mail without issues.
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06:16<urbinek>is it worth to use ext4 ?
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06:18<gnewb>ext4 looks like the what NTFS did for DOS, I am still looking into it, seems stable.
06:18<jm_>you should wait with ext4
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06:20<gnewb>I agree with jm_ it is still in testing, but if you like to alpha/beta , then use a 4g part and goof around with it.
06:20<urbinek>and migration from ext3t to 4 is easy or i must backup data
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06:22<philsf>why do people even ask if backup is needed?
06:22<urbinek>philsf: because they don't know if convert is safe
06:23<philsf>urbinek: whenever you feel inclined to ask if you should backup your important data, the answer is yes
06:23<gnewb>I backup on a regular basis, just cause I can, and it is really not that hard a job.
06:24<gnewb>Ext4 is backward compatible with ext2,3, source>
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06:25<gnewb>According to that it was released in Dec 2008
06:27<gnewb>Also looks like the switch is on, but still make a backup
06:28<gnewb>Also has an online defragmenter thing:
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06:29<gnewb>That is a long line of code.
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06:29<philsf>what does "broken out" mean? broken code?
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06:31<gnewb>philsf: I have no idea, yet
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06:36<gnewb>This is neat:
06:36<gnewb>oh wait, that should be #off-topic?
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06:42<mikeyjk>Does anyone know how to retrieve / reset root password from kboot?
06:42<mikeyjk>I tried passwd root
06:42<mikeyjk>but it said access denied
06:42<mikeyjk>rage ensued
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06:42<jm_>no not anyone does
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06:45<jm_>!tell mikeyjk -about i forgot root's password
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06:50<jrodger>mikeyjk: are you in the sudoers?
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06:52<mikeyjk>Sudoers? sudo = pseudo-root?
06:52<mikeyjk>also, I can't remember my user name :(
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06:54<gnewb>I write all that stuff down as I am installing, then it goes in my desk, or briefcase. (for future references)
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06:57<ant_>use a knoppix, reboot and alter your /etc/passwd with a new one with a known password in it...
06:58<gnewb>matter of fact, I need to back that stuff again.
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07:02<stevem_>Lo, I'm on an etch box and I need to change the DNS in resolv.conf (whats in the interfaces file is fine) but something keeps overriding it
07:03<stevem_>what keeps overriding it and how can I tell it my preferred DNS settings instead
07:03<stevem_>no its not DHCP, static
07:03<petemc>do you have resolvconf installed?
07:03<stevem_>"Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)"
07:03<jm_>it even gives you the clue
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07:03<stevem_>that would be a yes :D
07:03<petern>well :)
07:04<stevem_>how do I inform it to not use as the DNS... the DNS server I run on here is not recursive now you see
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07:08<stevem_>penpen, do I run like... cat resolv.conf | resolvconf -a eth0
07:08<stevem_>-after- I've editedthe file?
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07:11<enouf>stevem_: i cam late, maybe /msg dpkg fixresolvconf is for you - dunno
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07:16<wouter_>a regex question: how can i delete files not ending on fixed? rm *[^fixed] doesn't seem to work...
07:16<jm_>wouter_: [] is for character classes, not for words
07:16<enouf>use find
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07:18<pawel>how mto create icons in FluxBox?
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07:19<jm_>it's doable with extended regex in bash/zsh
07:19<enouf>jm_: so basically, his command is saying don't delete files that start with any character followed by a f, or a i, or a x, or a e ,or a d? (something like that?) (negate whatever the * does for now)
07:20*enouf is pretty bad at regex
07:20<jm_>enouf: it says delete files not ending in f, i, x, e or d
07:20<jm_>or rather match
07:20<enouf>i see .. ok, but that's because of the ^, yes? i mean shouldn't there be a $ on the other side?
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07:21<jm_>yeah ^ means negation in []
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07:21<enouf>er, i mean because of the * ... oh, i see - i did not know that .. hrm, i only knew the ^ as pinning to beginning of line/word - thanks
07:22<enouf>but now i see, in context of the [], it means negation - thanks again
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07:23<enouf>such as when doing a "apt-cache search ^libapache2" (although i realize there's the --names-only option, and the results actually seem to return other fields that match, not just the 1st character of the line)
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07:24<stevem_>enouf, would it be easier to just remove resolvconf entirely, it seems more trouble than its worth
07:24<enouf>or say dpkg -l alsa | grep ^.i
07:24<themill>wouter_: look at the extglob option for bash -- that allows you to do negative matching of terms
07:24<jm_>with extglob bash option set, it's !(fixed$), zsh is even simpler with extended globbing enabled
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07:25<enouf>is that (extglob) set in echo SHELLOPTS= ?
07:26<enouf>grah, i meant $SHELLOPTS=
07:26<jm_>shopt extglob
07:26<jm_>maybe it uses SHELLOPT too, I don't use bash
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07:28<stevem_>aptitude purge resolvconf
07:28<stevem_>the BEST command ever
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07:29<themill>stevem_: only if you have a simple setup like yours. If you have a laptop, then aptitude install resolvconf is the best command ever...
07:29<stevem_>yeah well this is a static IP server in a datacenter
07:29<stevem_>and I've no idea why resolvconf was there in the first place
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07:30<themill>stevem_: "aptitude why" can be helpful.
07:31<themill>(lenny onwards only, though)
07:31<stevem_>its in etch too
07:31<stevem_>ah no, it isn't - "unknown command"
07:31<stevem_>whats 'why' ?
07:31<stevem_>aah does it show why the *uck something got installed and when? :D
07:31<stevem_>unpolitely :P
07:31<themill>stevem_: not when, just has a go at explaining why. It's not definitive though because it can't be.
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07:33<themill>stevem_: "aptitude why package1" talks about why package1 may have been installed. "aptitude why package1 package2" tries to work out why installing package1 would drag in package2. There's also "why-not" for looking at conflicts.
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08:05<pawel>how to install ncurses
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08:06<Torsten_W>apt-get install ncurses-base?
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08:21<munga>in the Index file (talking about pdiffs) is it always true that history + 1 = history + patch ? that is to obtain a Packages of today I need just to apply the pdiff for today to the Packages of yesterday ?
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08:21<munga>Or ... can anybody point me to the relevant doc ?
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08:22<^i4>hi all
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08:23<enouf>pawel: are you looking for libncurses5-dev for kernel menuconfig?
08:23<^i4>anubody know lenny livecd haves textlike øàôñó ñåé÷àñinstall or not?
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08:24<^i4>is livecd haves textliked interface for installation process?
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08:28<pawel>enouf: I am looking for solution of 'configure: error: You need ncurses and ncurses-devel packages.'
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08:43<fgh>hm, ive got some problems with my soundcard. ive got sound but its not from speakers, its stright from the box??
08:44<jm_>demons I tell you
08:44<jm_>check if you have pcspkr loaded
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08:44<dr|z3d>fgh: Set the default speaker output with alsamixer.
08:45<fgh>im using oss..
08:45<dr|z3d>Ah, then do the same with the oss stuff. Ensure you external speakers are selected.
08:45<fgh>but how?
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08:46<fgh>and yes i have snd_pcsp loaded, it should be? always been
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08:47<petemc>i thought snd_foo was alsa, no?
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08:50<jm_>hardly always when it wasn't available in older kernels
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08:51<petemc>jm_: did oss stuff use the same naming conventions? i dont recall myself
08:51<jm_>petemc: nope, at least the one in the kernel
08:53<fgh>oh, so maybe im using also? sure could be so, from some update ive lost traction of.. hm
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08:55<gnewb>What is xmms?
08:55<Hallgard>hello, i have a problem with lenny :(... i installed the cd1 i386 stable version,... now i try to install some packeges, but it allways says i should load the " »Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 _Lenny_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20090214-16:29«" from the cdrom... but i could install mc without the cd... so why it sometimes says i should load the cd?
08:56<petern>because sometimes the packages are on the cd, and sometimes they're not
08:56<petern>remove the cd source from your apt sources if you don't want to use it
08:56<gnewb>Hallgard: I think you need to alter or tweak the sources.list
08:57<Hallgard>ah ok!
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08:57<jm_>apt-cache policy should show you where it's coming from
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08:58<gnewb>Mine had to be altered a bit, it was asking for CD also.
08:58<Lemonzest>soon as i've installed from DVD i remove the apt cd source and use normal apt mirrors
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08:59<Hallgard>thx, works :)
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09:04<gnewb>What is the difference between Single User Mode and other choice?
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09:05<petern>single user is for system recovery
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09:05<gnewb>Thank you
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09:07<fgh>how do i know if my soundcard is supported by alsa?
09:07<gnewb>I booted into SUM because I had to do some back-ups and install some stuff from back-up data. I guessed correctly. I guesss.
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09:09<jm_>fgh: ask hcl
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09:10<gnewb>fgh: System>Preferences>Sound, that has a GUI thing that shows what is detected and stuff, I am still learning text stuff.
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09:13<gnewb>Is there a safe-mode for terminal, konsole or do I just keep reading?
09:13<dr|z3d>gnewb: Sounds like you need to keep reading :)
09:13<gnewb>Okee dokee
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09:14<gnewb>aptitude or nano is suggested by Debian?
09:15<dr|z3d>Tools for the job. aptitude is a cornerstone of Debian, so yes.
09:15<gnewb>Thank you.
09:16<gnewb>I am going to reconfigure some items now, this should be fun.
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09:19<fgh>apt install alsa did the trick..
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09:56<leonardo_>Hello guys, I have a problem with pin priority
09:56<leonardo_>Take a look at my /etc/sources.list
09:57<leonardo_>Take a look at my /etc/apt/preferences
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09:57<leonardo_>Take a look at the apt-cache policy's result
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09:58<kunds>who can i go to the linux mint server ?
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09:58<kunds>who can i go to the linux mint server ?
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09:59<leonardo_>You can see that debian-multimedia priority remains stays in 1001, but I would like it stays in 500
09:59<leonardo_>Please, help me
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10:01<patrikf>leonardo_: in preferences: origin "... should be release o="...
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10:01<jm_>and you could post all of it at once
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10:02<patrikf>leonardo_: and the origin of the d-m packages isn't but "Unofficial Multimedia Packages"
10:02<tiagosab>Hi! I am running x11vnc and when connect to it I have only a black screen. Tried in three machines (two amd64, one i3860), all up-to-date lenny, and the same results. Any thoughts?
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10:03<kunds>who can i get to the spotchat servers ???
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10:05<leonardo_>patrikf, could be origin "",o=unofficial ?
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10:05<leonardo_>or release o=unofficial ?
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10:06<leonardo_>patrikf, or release o=unofficial ?
10:06<patrikf>leonardo_: please read again what I said and look at "man apt_preferences"
10:06<leonardo_>patrikf, sorry Im a begginer
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10:10<themill>Why are you trying to pin at all?
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10:12<leonardo_>themill, it's better to give preference to the official repos, don't you think?
10:12<themill>there are very few packages that are in both repository so it's mostly a non-issue.
10:13<jm_>well if you really care then don't use d-m at all
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10:13<themill>mplayer is about the only one I can think of.... a couple of the libavcodec things as well perhaps
10:14<jm_>acroread, mencoder, flash
10:14<leonardo_>Ok folks, I think you are right! Thank you for the answers....
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10:17<themill>jm_: acroread is only in dmm. flash has a different package name, mencoder is only in dmm
10:18<jm_>themill: yes, I meant those are the ones people care about
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10:19<themill>ahh, right. But pinning is irrelevant unless there are multiple sources for the same package. (Unless you're talking about pins of < 0)
10:19<jm_>but I see I misread what you wanted to say
10:19<themill>yeah... English isn't my strong point today... too many things to do... too little time
10:20<jm_>yeah my klondike ratio for today is miserable, need to recover it tomorrow
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10:25<gnewb>Fun stuff!
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10:31<gnewb>What is squid and how does it function?
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10:31<dr|z3d>Squid is a caching (web) proxy. Google for more info, gnewb
10:32<gnewb>Thank you
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10:32<gnewb>I prefer scroogle scrapper, but they are the same function
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10:33<dr|z3d>Scroogle scraper and Squid are worlds apart.
10:33<dr|z3d>Do some research via google.
10:33<gnewb>dr|z3d: I just meant for searching
10:34<dr|z3d>It's obvious you haven't a clue about Squid. Please, do some research.
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10:34<gnewb>That is next on my list.
10:35<dr|z3d> &
10:35<dr|z3d>Good place to start.
10:35<gnewb>Thank you.
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10:38<gnewb>Is it -v squid to tell me the version installed?
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10:42<tiagosab>[2nd try] Hi! I am running x11vnc and when connect to it I have only a black screen. Tried in three machines (two amd64, one i3860), all up-to-date lenny, and the same results. Any thoughts?
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10:42<dr|z3d>tiagosab: Are you trying to connect to an existing X session?
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10:42<Takatski>I'm new to linux, how do I go about downloading the client through the terminal?
10:42<Takatski>irc client*
10:43<dr|z3d>Takatski: aptitude install xchat
10:43<tiagosab>dr|z3d: yes, I want to use an existing session.
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10:43<Takatski>How do I login as root :/?
10:44<dr|z3d>Takatski: You shouldn't. See sudo su and gksudo
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10:47<Takatski>so I would type sudo aptitude install xchat?
10:48<Takatski>Or is there another command in there?
10:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>)
10:48<dpkg>i guess su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access
10:49<tiagosab>Both client and server say everything is fine, except that I cannot see anything
10:49<Takatski>I looked it up on the internet haha
10:49<ml>!tell Takatski -about visudo
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10:50<Takatski>I type in sudo into the terminal and it said command not found :/
10:50<dr|z3d>aptitude install sudo
10:51<Takatski>Lol, this is getting complicated..
10:51<Takatski>I'm installing something on a server I'm renting..
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10:51<ml>Takatski: do you know the root password?
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10:51<Takatski>Of my server yes
10:52<Takatski>Not sure if thats the root password
10:52<Takatski>or just a password for ftp
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10:52<ml>do su and will be prompted for root password
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10:52<ml>then you can install what you need
10:53<ml>when do type exit
10:53<gsimmons>gnewb: squid -v ; also reportable via dpkg -l squid
10:53<gnewb>Thank you
10:53<Takatski>Kk i'll try it
10:54<Takatski>Haha apparently its not root
10:54<gnewb>Takatski: Have you tried aptitude?
10:54<Takatski>I'm not sure what that is.
10:55<ml>Takatski: then you need to cantact the admin to give root ascces
10:55<Takatski>I'm very unfamiliar with linux
10:55<gnewb> <<<it is that
10:55<Takatski>Alright, thanks ml
10:55<ml>!tell Takatski -about aptitude
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10:55<ml>!tell Takatski -about root
10:56<gnewb> <<from Debian, that link came from this site.
10:56<ml>Takatski: read the messages from dpkg
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10:57<Takatski>I did, thanks.
10:57<ml>ok np gl :)
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10:58<gnewb>Oh, no wonder, I do not think it is installed.
10:58<gnewb>Thank you gsimmons
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10:59<InkBottle>!why is aptitude saying 'simplyhtml' is not available, though seems to say there is no ploblem?
10:59<dpkg>InkBottle: what are you talking about?
11:00<ml>lol dpkg
11:00<ml>heh ;)
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11:01<InkBottle>there is a package whose name is simplyhtml and aptitude says it's not available.
11:02<gnewb>InkBottle: I use Bluefish.
11:02<ml>InkBottle: you hae the correct sources listed
11:02<InkBottle>forget it that's weired
11:02<InkBottle>that mpight be a pine probem
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11:06<InkBottle>no, it's a dependency problem in simplyhtml-doc: it suggests simplyhtml ans say it's not available. though it is. weired
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11:10<InkBottle>What I am trying to do (forget about simplehtml): is printing an html file. The file is large and I want a good rendering. I have used midori because it's faster. But the rendering of DejaVu-sans is bad at 300dpi (very bad, though another font would print fine).
11:10<InkBottle>So how could I print it?
11:10<InkBottle>I read somewere printing is devil :)
11:11<InkBottle>the rendering of dejavu looks raterized, though it shoud not at 300dpi
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11:11<InkBottle>it's a postscript printer
11:12<Wesley>Hi all. i'm getting a "wating for root file system" after a kernel upgrade
11:12<Wesley> -> mine shows root=/dev/sda2 ro - to what do I change this?
11:12<InkBottle>It is all right at 600dpi, but it's only a tricks, not a real solution
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11:13<Wesley>anyone that can help me out with this? been stuck on it for hours :<
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11:15<InkBottle>wuold you know how to use html2ps making it use images and css present in the directory?
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11:16<turkjeus>HI guys, I got a problem on lenny, sometimes xserver suddenly crash
11:16<turkjeus>what may be causing this
11:16<turkjeus>I only have this problem after upgrading to lenny
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11:22<kvas>i'm russian
11:22<kvas>Is there Russian channel?
11:23<kvas>like #debian-ru?
11:23<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
11:23<kvas>petemc, thank you!
11:23<flukxo>howdy, i used smbfs to mount and unmount a remote file system used for backups, however after the unmount, they still show up on mtab. what is going on?
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11:25<flukxo>i'm using lenny, btw
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11:27<adb>Wesley: i'll try to locate the right partition using > Solution < and /or reinstall the kernel
11:28<Wesley>fdisk /dev/sda1 shows /dev/sda2 as where the OS is installed
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11:29<Wesley>root = (hd0,1) boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro
11:30<kvas>i've NVidia GeForce 2 MX videocard. I've installed nvidia-legacy-96xx and packages, depends on it. When I run nvidia-xconfig and restart X11 server, X11 fails. Log give me information , that there isn't "nvidia" driver. Please help me! I'm Russian and sorry for mistakes in this message and sorry for language barrier...
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11:32<kvas>i've NVidia GeForce 2 MX videocard. I've installed nvidia-legacy-96xx and packages, depends on it. When I run nvidia-xconfig and restart X11 server, X11 fails. Log give me information , that there isn't "nvidia" driver. Please help me! I'm Russian and sorry for mistakes in this message and sorry for language barrier...
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11:35<adb>Wesley: install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
11:36<Wesley>how am i suposed to do that? im unable to boot the system
11:36<slimjim>does anyone know how long it should take for mkfs.ntfs to format at 1tb drive
11:36<StarkD>how do I enable japanese fonts in iceweasel? it didn't make any difference when installing iceweasel-l10n-ja. should it?
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11:37<adb>Wesley: use Solution , oot from your favorite LiveCD distribution, ... chroot in the system
11:37<adb>s /oot /boot *
11:38<gsimmons>slimjim: A while, if you omitted use of the -f or -Q options.
11:39<Wesley>adb: so I boot from the debian live cd, do sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt, then wget the new kernel and change paths in menu.lst etc?
11:40<Wesley>ill try that
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11:41<adb>well , after mount . do "chroot /mnt"
11:41<Wesley>and I can just wget ?
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11:42<Wesley>xhroot cannot run command /bin/bas exec format error
11:42<Wesley>chroot* sorry
11:43<adb>have booted in rescue mode ?
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11:43<Wesley>i booted from a debian live cd adama
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11:44<adb>yes , chose than " rescue"
11:44<Wesley>where :/
11:45<adb>do F1/2 to see the options
11:45<Wesley>ahh thanks
11:45<Wesley>let me reboot
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11:47<adb>Wesley: it is a new installation ? so why not install lenny ?
11:47*debinux_ is back.
11:47<Wesley>it's not a new instakk
11:47<Wesley>I've upgraded the system, now it won't boot back
11:48<Wesley>available boot methos "live and livefailsafe"
11:48<Wesley>i see no rescue option ..
11:48<adb>use a debian netinstall cd
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11:48<adb>it has rescue
11:48<Wesley>does it have to be 64?
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11:49<slimjim>gsimmons i used this command (mkfs.ntfs /dev/sda1)
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11:49<adb>not really
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11:50<Wesley>i have a debian 5.0 netinstall cd, will it do adb?
11:50<Wesley>thanks for helping out btw :<
11:50<dragon>i'm the ultimate linux noob.........anyone using linux mint 6.0?
11:50<gsimmons>dragon: Linux Mint is not supported here.
11:50<dpkg>linux mint is probably a distribution based on Ubuntu. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. Go /join #linuxmint @ See <Based on Debian>.
11:51<dragon>thanks so much
11:51<adb>Wesley: btw . how many kernels system has ?
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11:51<Wesley>one kernel only
11:51<adb>why ?
11:51<Wesley>so i cant fall back to an old one
11:51<Wesley>I dont know ..
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11:52<Wesley>all I wanted was to be updated
11:53<Wesley>ah, i found the rescue mode!
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11:54<Wesley>what are the steps to take adb?
11:55<Wesley>it's askinf for the nornal things such as network setup, hostname etc
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11:56<adb>do all steps to somethings "update grub'
11:56<valdyn>Wesley: you need a 64-bit kernel to rescue a 64-bit system
11:56<Wesley>install grub bootloader?
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11:59<valdyn>!unix lessons
11:59<dpkg>somebody said unix lessons was (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be
11:59<valdyn>Wesley: ^^
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12:05<kvas>i've NVidia GeForce 2 MX videocard. I've installed nvidia-legacy-96xx and packages, depends on it. When I run nvidia-xconfig and restart X11 server, X11 fails. Log give me information , that there isn't "nvidia" driver. Please help me! I'm Russian and sorry for mistakes in this message and sorry for language barrier...
12:07<valdyn>kvas: so you didnt really install those drivers ( completely )
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12:07<pawel>how to view .zip in Fluxbox?
12:07<valdyn>kvas: which packages did you install?
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12:08<valdyn>pawel: like in any other window manager
12:09<kvas>nvidia-legacy96txx and kernel-sources
12:09<valdyn>kvas: why the hell kernel sources?
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12:09<valdyn>kvas: if you dont provide precise information i can only guess the solution
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12:10<pawel>valdyn: how?
12:10<valdyn>pawel: ls ?
12:10<valdyn>pawel: what do you really want?
12:10<valdyn>pawel: man zip
12:11<ml>!ru <--- kvas did ask for help there?
12:11<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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12:11<pawel>to assign .zip extension to viewing/unpacking program in Fluxbox
12:11<slimjim>does anyone know how long mkfs.ntfs should take to format a 1tb drive
12:11<valdyn>pawel: fluxbox is only a window manager, it has nothing to do with this
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12:12<valdyn>pawel: you want to do something with a file manager it seems
12:12<dr|z3d>pawel: Set that in your file manager.
12:12<dr|z3d>Either Nautilus, or Thunar, or pcmanfm, or whatever you use.
12:12<pawel>it is called Archive Manager in Ubuntu.
12:13<pawel>how to install something similar in Debian?
12:13<dr|z3d>No, you set your file associations in your file manager.
12:13<dr|z3d>aptitude install fileroller or similar.
12:13<pawel>where is file manager?
12:14<valdyn>pawel: why arent you using gnome?
12:14<valdyn>pawel: fluxbox is nice and all, but you are asking us to teach you computer basics, not linux or debian basics
12:14<pawel>because my comp wont run it.
12:15<valdyn>pawel: why not?
12:15<ml>pawel: why don't get help in the #fluxbox channel
12:15<pawel>cpu 300mhz 54m ram
12:15<pawel>3.5 gb hdd
12:15<valdyn>ml: because fluxbox has *nothing* to do with this
12:16<pawel>then how to get file manager?
12:16<valdyn>pawel: fluxbox is *not* a small window manager
12:16<ml>valdyn: yes, I know but it's more relavent there
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12:16<valdyn>pawel: if you add your gnome apps to fluxbox, its not going to be small at all
12:16<pawel>how to?
12:17<valdyn>pawel: now i could tell you to get nautilus and fileroller, but thats *not* small, might aswell use gnome
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12:17<valdyn>pawel: so try "aptitude install nautilus file-roller", so what you get
12:18<valdyn>pawel: so try "aptitude install nautilus file-roller", see what you get
12:18<valdyn>pawel: nautilus is the file manager that you know from ubuntu, file-roller is the archive manager that you know from ubuntu
12:19<valdyn>pawel: and i just saw your system spec, DONT do this
12:19<pawel>then what?
12:20<valdyn>pawel: to be honest i can only recommend you learn the shell and probably midnight-commander
12:20<pawel>do you know any lighter file manager?
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12:20<valdyn>pawel: mc is light enough for your system
12:20<ml>pawel: pcmanfm
12:20<ml>pawel: or thunar
12:21<ml>but should use mc
12:21<valdyn>i do wonder though if pcmanfm is nice to use on such a system
12:21<ml>with that system
12:21<valdyn>i know what i would use.
12:21<valdyn>( bare shell )
12:21<ml>the terminal would optimal
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12:22<ml>even with higher spec systems
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12:22<valdyn>pawel: give pcmanfm a try..
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12:23<pawel>basic question: what is lighter - thunar or pcmanfm ?
12:23<valdyn>pawel: do you know norton commander?
12:23<valdyn>pcmanfm by FAR
12:23<ml>pawel: I would take the time and learn a bit of linux
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12:24<pawel>I know a (small) bit of linux
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12:24<dpkg>I am the firestarter!, or, or a stephen king book
12:24<pawel>but shell is boring and ineffective
12:24<petemc>its not the shell that is ineffective...
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12:25<valdyn>pawel: mc is faster than any graphical filemanager i think
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12:25<ml>pawel: it's not, but use with you are comfortable with
12:25<valdyn>( i dont use it though, i use bare shell everywhere.. )
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12:26<ml>pawel: in your case I would also use mc, but terminal is what I would chosse
12:26<pawel>what is segmentation faulty tree?
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12:27<valdyn>the thing with these old computers is that debian is not at all made for them
12:27<valdyn>packagemagement alone should be extremely slow
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12:29<valdyn>pawel: depends on the context
12:30<valdyn>pawel: its really a term made up by someone, not somethiong "official"
12:31<pester>so i borked my installation of grub on my primary hdd. i guess i need to reinstall it.
12:31<pawel>is there something that can install depencies (i am tired with apt-get install <all the zilions of depencies required to get tomething large>
12:31<patrikf>pawel: apt-get does that automatically.
12:31<pester>the os is intact and i can boot using a different grub if i edit the menu at runtime.
12:31<pawel>it does not
12:32<valdyn>pawel: something large like what?
12:32<patrikf>pawel: yes it does.
12:32<ml>pawel: yes it does
12:32<pester>pawel: yes it does.
12:32<pawel>'following packages have unmet depencies'
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12:32<valdyn>pawel: thats not useful out of context either
12:33<pawel>* depends * but is not going to be instaalled
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12:33<patrikf>pawel: pastebin the apt-get output
12:33<valdyn>pawel: or use "aptitude why" ( see manpage )
12:34<ml>!tell pawel -about paste
12:34<pawel>where's pastebiin in fluxbox?
12:34<ml>!tell pawel -about aptitude
12:34<valdyn>fluxbox again has nothign to do with that
12:35<ml>pawel: read messages from dpkg
12:35<pawel>^c starts new line in terminal (xterm emulator) and ^v writes ^V
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12:35<valdyn>pawel: sure
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12:36<pester>so... reinstalling grub?
12:36<valdyn>pester: yes
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12:37<valdyn>pester: if you have to ask this, how you can be so sure that grub is even broken?
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12:37<pawel>apt-get install pastebin??
12:37<ml>pawel: read messages from dpkg
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12:38<valdyn>pester: whats " a different grub " ?
12:38<pester>valdyn: cause grub does not load on the disk in question. i have to boot to a different disk and edit the menu by hand at boot time
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12:38<pester>two installations. two disks
12:39<valdyn>pester: ok, alright
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12:40<valdyn>pester: grub-install /dev/sdb ( or whatever that disk is )
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12:41<valdyn>pester: but that grub might not be able to boot if you have to regenerate the devices.lst, just try
12:41<gutterpunk>Hi! Is it possible to use an SSH tunnel to tunnel all TCP sessions? It would be great if it's possible to tunnel all protocols through this tunnel, maybe using netfilter or something else
12:41<gutterpunk>any ideas?
12:42<valdyn>gutterpunk: why must you use ssh for this?
12:42<pester>valdyn: ok. so does get installed to /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1? or is /dev/xxx1 swap?
12:42<pester>i'm guessing it's swap... yeah it's swap
12:42<valdyn>pester: to disk, not to partition
12:42<gutterpunk>valdyn, I don't... It's just secure that way. An alternative if fine too
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12:42<valdyn>gutterpunk: use something made for this
12:43<valdyn>gutterpunk: you want a vpn or somesuch
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12:43<gutterpunk>valdyn, what type do you recommend for a peer-to-peer vpn tunnel?
12:43<pawel>ml: thanks, aptitude now works
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12:44<valdyn>gutterpunk: no idea really, i cant help you
12:44<ml>pawel: np
12:44<valdyn>gutterpunk: ssh is just defenitely the wrong way
12:44<zhengyi>gutterpunk: google openswan and/or openvpn
12:44<gutterpunk>valdyn, thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
12:44<gutterpunk>zhengyi, I'll look into them
12:45<pester>is this supposed to be a 'quick' operation. that was really fast
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12:45<pester>just a blip of text onto the screen and; done;
12:46<valdyn>pester: sure
12:46<pester>ok. rebooting. brb
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12:52<gnewb>What is Hurd?
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12:53<patrikf>gnewb, there's wikipedia
12:53<gnewb>Thank you.
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12:56<gnewb>That is neat.
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13:08<gnewb>Now I have to cut the grass.
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13:08<immatRrecord>hi all
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13:09<immatRrecord>nobody said what my fan turn always, i've an AMD 64..
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13:22<ml>amphi_: you have a tail ;p
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13:27<meshuggah>hello chealer !! wassup?
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13:29<meshuggah>someone can help me with my TV-OUT (i have lenny+geforce4) ??????
13:30<adb>tried google ?
13:30<meshuggah>yes a lot
13:30<meshuggah>i tried a lot of things
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13:31<meshuggah>i tried modifiying my xorg.conf, i tried nvtv, i tried nvidia-setting something
13:31<meshuggah>and a lot of goole
13:31<meshuggah>i wasted maybe 10 hours of my time
13:32<adb>sometimes configuring is a live time ...
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13:33<meshuggah>i know that in nvtv, my tv encoder is named unknow....only some hex
13:33<meshuggah>like 00:0Ef
13:33<meshuggah>maybe i cant
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13:34<meshuggah>hello reecon
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13:35<meshuggah>i mean like 00:00Eh
13:35<vaxima>i've installed debian 5.0 lenny successfully, but which commands i need to type in, to install an apache 1.3.xx httpd with php4? apt install ........ ?
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13:36<adama>vaxima: why do you want those old thing?
13:36<meshuggah>more exactly is : (unknown chip)0:6E and (unknown chip)0:0A
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13:37<adama>if you really do, /msg dpkg search
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13:37<vaxima>adama: only a simple "apt install apache2", the next generation kick?
13:38<InkBottle>I am looking for cleaning html code; I would need an editor that shows well the nesting of html tags
13:38<adama>I don't know, ask dpkg about search like I said
13:38<vaxima>even simply said, i need an stable old-style httpd with php4 :-)
13:40<adama>I don't know if apache 1 is still available in lenny. Unless you have a good reason though, I definitely recommend apache2 and php5
13:41<vaxima>"apt-get install apache2" and "apt-get install php5"? 2 lines, and all is oki dokie? :-)
13:41<adama>apt-get install apache2 php5 :)
13:41<adama>one line
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13:44<adama>When I double-click a .pdf file in the iceweasel downloads window, firefox grabs 100% CPU and does nothing, locks up and I have to force-quit it.
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13:48<InkBottle>do you know why konpozer had never been a debian package?
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13:50<adama>no one packaged it?
13:52<gravity>They appear to provide a deb on their web site
13:52<InkBottle>So about html editor, I tryed blue fish but it's not what I need
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13:52<InkBottle>I would need it to be more that just a text editor
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13:53<InkBottle>gravity: yes, and for years it's never been in debian repos
13:53*fxiny loads "try this os editor" answer
13:53<sts>does anybody know which variable i could use for the current build architecture in debian/rules?
13:53<sts>is there something like $ARCH?
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13:54<adama>InkBottle: try quanta - I have it but never used it.. . seems like it might be what you want
13:54<InkBottle>adama: I 'm going to give a look
13:54<gravity>InkBottle: Well, adama's answer of "no one packaged it" is probably correct
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13:55<gravity>Presuming nvu's license is ok. I don't think packaging mozilla-based stuff is trivial though, so that's a more likely reason, along with "no one cared enough"
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13:56<amphi>sts: you could get it from dpkg --print-architecture perhaps
13:56<InkBottle>by the way amaya allways had crached at opening
13:57<sts>amphi: no, because i can build i386 and amd64 on the same architecture (just building a package of already compiled binaries)
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14:07<jlj>is there a way to route audio from line in on one card to line out on another?
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14:10<dr|z3d>jlj: Sure. Use Jack.
14:10<zem_>jlj: make/buy a cable
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14:11<jlj>so it can't be done using regular alsa? (a cable would be useful for lineout-linein, but this is linein-lineout)
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14:15<francesco>some problem with qt and phonon include in debian
14:15<francesco>maybe pakage is broken
14:15<francesco>anyone can help me ....
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14:15<sts>amphi: $(DEB_BUILD_ARCH) does what i needed.
14:15<muwiess>any Idea where I can look for an irc problem?
14:16<sts>ok. so now it builds for both architectures. how can i integrate my own patches into the package?
14:16<muwiess>can't make it work Operator priveleges
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14:23<francesco>where can i find the qt pakage amministrator ?
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14:24<francesco>i want say i'm that there is a small problem with them
14:24<petemc>file a bug
14:24<francesco>whre ?
14:24<petemc> , use reportbug
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14:24<dpkg>i guess reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,, or see for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>.
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14:31<amphi>fxiny: Prompt.Shell is great ;)
14:33<fxiny>amphi: custom fonts ?
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14:33<fxiny>i have custom fonts for shellPromt and sshPrompt
14:33<goodger>what should I call a program that allows administrators of large networks to have software and configuration files automatically pushed to client computers based on those computers' categories?
14:33<simonrvn>i'm getting "Can't locate auto/CGI/Session/DB_File/ in @INC" errors when trying to edit a page in ikiwiki...
14:33<fxiny>guess ? terminus ;)
14:33<goodger>I can't call it stateless linux, red hat have done it already
14:34<simonrvn>wtf is up with that?
14:34<simonrvn>goodger: 'spider web' ?
14:35<goodger>what has that got to do with it? >.<
14:35<simonrvn>or spiderweb ..
14:35<amphi>fxiny: heh - no, I didn't fiddle with that yet
14:35<vaxima>oh well, my debian 5.0 lenny looks stable :)
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14:36<vaxima>some bad guys hav' hacked my host running debian 3.1 sarge --> my own mistake :/
14:36<simonrvn>goodger: a name proposition ...? heh
14:36<amjad>Is there a prog called chcase?
14:36<simonrvn>vaxima: might as well start over with lenny ;).
14:36<amjad>I can't seem to find it
14:36<goodger>simonrvn: it should at least be related to the function of the program :P
14:37<fxiny>amphi: but my favourite is Util.Run (spawnPipe) , for mutt ;)
14:37<amjad>its used to change case of file names
14:37<simonrvn>goodger: it's more related to the structure, granted.
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14:38<efort>I'm trying to get debian installed with evolution, iceweasel, and on an asus eee 2g machine. I keep running out of space. How can I install w/o all the extranious crap!
14:38<goodger>simonrvn: if it were related to the structure it'd be "clientserverlan" :P
14:38<fxiny>amphi: sshPromt opens a term when connected to remote , but that one opens a term with mutt running on it
14:38<goodger>efort: extraneous crap?
14:39<fxiny>amphi: i feel so sorry for point and click users :P
14:39<simonrvn>goodger: bah, mr. picky :P
14:39<goodger>simonrvn: :P
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14:39<efort>apt-get install evolution loads about 500 MB of stuff
14:39<fxiny>amphi: ah : i set up a submap for controlling xmms2
14:40<efort>I only have a 2G disk
14:40<fxiny>this ain't a wm but kinda of an os emacs style ...
14:40<goodger>efort: evolution, iceweasel and OOo are simply large, I'm afraid
14:41<simonrvn>i guess no one here has used ikiwiki... :(
14:41<efort>it's gnome and it's libraries that are killing me
14:41<goodger>efort: evolution uses gnome libraries
14:41<simonrvn>so drop kick it off your system
14:43<efort>If I already installed evolution will apt-get gnome then take less space than it claims it will?
14:43<efort>*apt-get install gnome...
14:43<goodger>evolution will install the libraries first, so gnome won't need to install so many of them the second time
14:44<efort>will that also make the system boot to x
14:44<simonrvn>oh wait, hold on
14:45<goodger>surely it boots to X already
14:45<fxiny>efort: aptitude -s install evolution : Need to get 89.8MB of archives. this is not a gnome box
14:45<simonrvn>yeh, if it does already, well...
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14:46<fxiny>efort: -R is less : 77.8MB
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14:47<efort>ok, I'll go install Gnome doing so is mainly a space issue
14:48<goodger>fxiny: what does -R do? it doesn't appear in my aptitude --help
14:48<fxiny>apt-get installs 83 packages against aptitude 41 ! aptitude rocks
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14:48<fxiny>goodger: no recommended
14:48<goodger>thought it might be \o/
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14:49<fxiny>good damned job done
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14:49<goodger>fxiny: any ideas for a name for my system? :P
14:49<fxiny>Supaplex: monkeys on the amazon area singing ? :P
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14:50<petemc>goodger: smegma
14:50<fxiny>goodger: a name for a system ? i have some spare passwords if you want :P
14:50<fxiny>Supaplex: heheeh
14:50<gnewb>good one
14:50<goodger>petemc: vaginal discharge!
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14:51<goodger>fxiny: spare passwords would be much appreciated
14:51<gnewb>Do the old kat on the keyboard
14:52<gnewb>That was a fun program when it came out.
14:52<simonrvn>[y25y[8 [y80 38 [y2359-2569 [-5270 2 yhe1]uj14u7=04
14:53<goodger>what are you doing at simonrvn's house?
14:54<goodger>ah, no, he's sitting on the windowsill...
14:54*goodger will call the system Crouton for the moment
14:54<fxiny>goodger: what's that ? sounds klingon :P
14:54<simonrvn>how is that any better than mine? ;)
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14:55<goodger>fxiny: it's a very small piece of toast that's put in soup :P
14:55<fxiny>goodger: ahhhh : crostino yeahhhh
14:55<simonrvn>sounds like you're having lunch ;p
14:55<gnewb>Like a cube of sugar, but is bread
14:55<simonrvn>FSVO bread ;p
14:56<goodger>from the french: "crouton"
14:56<fxiny>crunchy , i like it with garlic&oil
14:56<gnewb>andf anchovies
14:56<fxiny>ahahah yes !
14:56<goodger>also good in salads
14:56<goodger>and also for administering your debian network :P
14:56<adb>cassee la croute
14:56<gnewb><<<<<<<<is 1/2 Italian
14:57<fxiny>take the anchovies off and add some pachino tomatoes and cheese
14:57<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
14:57<simonrvn>casser, avoir cassee
14:57<gnewb>That works also
14:57<fxiny>goodger: you starte it ;)
14:57*Supaplex follows the conversation into #debian-offtopic
14:57<goodger>I contend that the offtopic rule should apply only when on-topic discussion is actually happening
14:58<fxiny>Supaplex: are you there ?
14:58<gnewb>Is there a de-fragment for the HDD on this system?
14:58<Supaplex>I r now.
14:58<dpkg>i guess defrag is generally not needed in linux. or or a respawn in a multiplayer game
14:59<fxiny>not needed and not welcomed :P
14:59<cahoot>ext4 offers defrag - no?
14:59<gnewb>I thought that ext2/ext3 did also.
14:59<Supaplex>not traditionally
15:00<gnewb>Just re-install and then use the backups?
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15:01<Guest1603>hi. is there an easy way to access partitions created on a lvm logical volume?
15:01<Supaplex>dpkg: defrag is also tip: fragmentation is low until you start using the default reserved-blocks-percentage space
15:01<dpkg>okay, Supaplex
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15:02<goodger>Guest1603: they ought to have /dev/sd~ style block devices...
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15:03<Guest1603>goodger: can I do something to have them detected? fdisk seems to not be successful (error 22)
15:03<Supaplex>gnewb: traditionally, there's intentionally no defrag for ext2/3 because the filesystem is already pretty optimal. ext4 should use similar semantics to avoid most fragmentation too.
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15:04<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
15:04<amjad>I want to send an email every 10 min, from 9 to 5 pm. I am using */10 09-1800 * * *
15:04<goodger>Guest1603: they should be created by the lvm process at boot...
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15:04<amjad>what is wrong with it?
15:04<Guest1603>goodger: thanks. ah. so reboot it is. that's a bit of sucker.
15:04<simonrvn>amjad: check your time syntax...
15:04<simonrvn>man 5 crontab
15:04<Supaplex>amjad: 09-1800 looks wrong to me.
15:04<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '' returned no results.
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15:05<goodger>Guest1603: well, you could just restart the lvm process
15:05<simonrvn>very wrong
15:05<amjad>simonrvn, I checked I can specify a range with -
15:05<gnewb>Supaplex: That makes sense. I do know that Volumes become fragmented, just wondered if there was a utility that I could also play around with.
15:05<fxiny>amjad : 1800 ?
15:05<simonrvn>amjad: not like that
15:05<amjad>fxiny, I do I say PM
15:06<fxiny>amjad: no just 18
15:06<simonrvn>23 0-23/2 * * * echo "run 23 minutes after midn, 2am, 4am ..., everyday"
15:06<simonrvn>straight from the effing manual
15:06<simonrvn>!manpagesmite amjad
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15:07<Guest1603>goodger: how do I do that? sorry, I'm dense today. also, I have the root partition also on the lvm (though not on the same lv)
15:07<fxiny>amjad: last will be at 10 to 19
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15:08<amjad>thanks, simonrvn fxiny . That was a stupid mistake on my part
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15:08<goodger>Guest1603: you open a web browser and type "lvm restart" into the search engine of your choice, I believe
15:09<simonrvn>amjad: enjoy
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15:10<amjad>simonrvn, thanks
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15:12<gnewb>LVM>>> <<<is explained there
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15:16<gnewb>On my other HDD I have gNewSense installed, do I have to fix grub or something so it will dual boot?
15:16<pwcca>out of those 30 or so cds which ones are needed for a base debian install.... right now im trying the netinstall but i think the network is blocking it
15:17<pwcca>its stuck at select and install software and its been there for 2hrs now although its still moving
15:17<pwcca>50mins left
15:18<fxiny>pwcca: old box ?
15:19<pwcca>well yes/no itsa dell 620
15:19<pwcca>im trying to get this installed for class to set up snort and honeyd on it
15:20<pwcca>if i reboot now will it still work
15:21<fxiny>goodger: i have the name : bruschetta
15:22<fxiny>gnewb: ^^^ ;)
15:22<gnewb>Good one
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15:25<gnewb>pwcca: It took me about 4 hours with a DVD, so I do not know.
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15:26<pwcca>it says it has 25mins left but the bar still hasnt moved one bit
15:26<gnewb>pwcca: Could just be net congestion, it is that time of day, I would wait it out.
15:26<pwcca>its stuck at 10%
15:26<pwcca>im on dsl
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15:26<pwcca>and at a school with only a few people on the netwok
15:27<gnewb>Even T-1 gets or suffers from net congestion
15:27<pwcca>yea i am on 3 1.5mb dsl lines
15:27<pwcca>with a very shitty load balancer
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15:28<Supaplex>pwcca: what vendor?
15:28<gnewb>Is that time of day, . Traffic gets heavy about now.
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15:28<pwcca>im guessing bellsouth
15:28<Supaplex>bellsouth doesn't make a load balancer
15:29<pwcca>ohh yea thought you were asking who was the isp
15:29<pwcca>the load balancer.... hmmm id have to go look
15:29<pwcca>maybe a dlink
15:30<Supaplex>one dlink with 3 dsl lines in it?
15:30<pwcca>i think it is a dlink
15:31<pwcca>but yea 3lines
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15:31<gnewb>I am going to get back into configuring and then Ruby stuff.
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15:31<Supaplex>how craptastic.
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15:32<pwcca>im finishing up a paper for my bs project management class
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15:33<debacle>hi all. I've installed postfix but i've no etc/postfix dir. Is there a way to reinstall it ?
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15:34<pwcca>have you done ./configure; make; make uninstall?
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15:35<debacle>no ! i'm using aptitude.
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15:36<pwcca>cant you force a new install over it?
15:36<pwcca>cause thats what i had to do in fc8
15:36<debacle>how can i do this ?
15:36<pwcca>i only know how to do it with rpm
15:36<debacle>i've tryed reinstall ... but it do not work !
15:37<pwcca>look at the apt-get switches
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15:39<debacle>i've tryed reinstall ... but it do not work !
15:40<Guest1603>debacle: apt-get install --reinstall
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15:41<Guest1603>or use dpkg --purge with forcing dependency override and then install it back.
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15:44<debacle>Guest:1603: mmm ... apt-get tips works !
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15:50<pwcca>ooo the countdown is at 0
15:51<Gun_Smoke>when looking at a ftp server with iceweasel the file sizes are displayed in KB, is there a way to have the sizes displayed in MB or GB? Iceweasel issue or the server side?
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15:51<pwcca>how are you checking the file sizes
15:51<pwcca>are you cmdline or gui?
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15:52<Gun_Smoke>pwcca, with iceweasel, so gui
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15:52<pwcca>never used or hjeard of it
15:52<pwcca>i dont use ftp anymore
15:53<Gun_Smoke>pwcca, iceweasel is Debian's firefox
15:53<pwcca>i use secureshell and yesterday i used winscp to copy the debiannet install and when i looked at it this morning it left everything inside the iso encrypted
15:54<catap>how can i add -fPIC to CXXFLAGS by cdbs?
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16:09<Xeross>how can i return all lines that contain a certain string from all files in a directory
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16:09<Xeross>Trying to get all apache requests this hacker on my system made
16:09<petemc>grep foo *
16:10<petemc>you might need zgrep if the files are gzipped
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16:14<erKURITA>Xeross additionally, append -nh as options for line numbers and filename matched
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16:16<ubuntu>kann mir jemand genau erklären wie ich xubuntu auf festplatte d installiere
16:16<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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16:36<krlos>andy, hi
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16:37<fastidio>hi all, may someone tell me why i can't add song to amarok2 playlist?
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16:37<andy>how are you?
16:38<fastidio>simply a debian user
16:38<dr|z3d>fastidio: Perhaps you don't have the requisite codec support installed?
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16:40<krlos>andy ... fine... thansks.... working
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16:40<andy>haha ok
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16:41<spons>i'm trying to install a program and the readme says
16:41<spons>To compile and install:
16:41<spons>sudo make install
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16:42<dr|z3d>spons_: Those instructions are straightforward.
16:42<spons_>but when i do them
16:42<dr|z3d>Open a terminal, navigate to the containing folder.
16:42<spons_>i get a geen doel gevonden *no path found?
16:42<dr|z3d>Oh, what happens?
16:43<spons_>and it stops
16:43<spons_>sudo make install
16:43<spons_>spons@spons-pc:~/Bureaublad/abgx360-1.0.1$ make
16:43<spons_>make: *** Geen doelen opgegeven en geen makefile gevonden. Gestopt.
16:43<dr|z3d>You need to do ./configure from the directory of the app.
16:43<dr|z3d>And then sudo make install
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16:43<dr|z3d>And not before make.
16:44<spons_>lets try
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16:45<spons_>still getting the same
16:46<spons_>did the ./configure thing and it sayd blablabla... configure: error zlib not found
16:46<spons_>i assume i need to install zlib
16:46<spons_>whats zlib:p
16:47<spons_>*found it
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16:49<fastidio>dr|z3d: sorry, but I've looked for the codec, but don't know what to install
16:49<spons_>configure: error: "libcurl not found!"
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16:53<dr|zed>fastidio: What content are you trying to enqueue?
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16:54<fastidio>a mp3 file
16:54<dr|z3d>fastidio: IE what file format?
16:55<dr|z3d>IE = In other words.
16:55<fastidio>ok, thanks
16:55<dr|z3d>Derives from the Latin. :)
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16:56<fastidio>when I try to add a mp3 to the playlist nothing happens
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16:56<fastidio>if I want to listes a web radio, it works
16:56<dr|z3d>Yup, that does sound like codec support.
16:57<fastidio>but it don't tell me that can't reproduce the file
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16:57<fastidio>simply don't enqueue it
16:58<dr|z3d>fastidio: See if this article sheds some light:
16:59<dr|z3d>You might also want to consider giving exaile a try, and also possibly songbird.
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17:00<rickbot>that article concerns amarok on ubuntu which, in my experience doesn't work well
17:01<fastidio>if I open a mp3 file with another player i can hear it
17:01<PC52615>how's everyone doing????
17:01<MC50448>whats up?
17:01<rickbot>ubuntu doesn't work well mixing kde apps with gnome but on debian, this is not a problem
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17:01<rickbot>in my experience
17:02<fastidio>someone uses amarok from epxerimental with good results?
17:02<PC52615>wat up toast/?????////
17:02<rickbot>sid version working fine here
17:02<rickbot>on kde and xfce
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17:03<fastidio>sid version is 1.4
17:03<rickbot>whats in experimental?
17:03<PC52615>what are you guys talking about?
17:03<rickbot>ah.. kde 4 stuff
17:03<PC52615>idk lol
17:04<fastidio>amarok is amarok
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17:04<rickbot>version 2 is built around kde 4. it has a number of dependencies from kde4
17:05<PC52615>you guy's talk so sophaticated
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17:05<rickbot>i've tried it and thought it wasn't ready...
17:05<fastidio>don't want to talk about kde, gnome, what is better and so on
17:06<MC50448>you guys use big words i dont understand them lol
17:06<rickbot>i wasn't talking about which is better
17:06<fastidio>would like just to know why won't work amarok
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17:06<PC52615>how old are you ppl
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17:07<rickbot>if its version 2, because kde 4 isn't ready for prime time yet
17:07<MC50448>hi mofo will you talk to me
17:07<PC52615>fo sho mo
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17:08<MC50448>lol wierdo im sitting next to you
17:08<PC52615>i kno
17:08<fastidio>i'll wait
17:08<MC50448>lol wirdo
17:08<PC52615>n e one wanna talk????
17:08<MC50448>i do lol
17:08<MC50448>whats new
17:09<rickbot>are you here for debian issues or just to piss around
17:09<PC52615>just to piss around lol
17:09<MC50448>just to talk to other ppl
17:09<rickbot>thought so
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17:10<MC50448>so how is everyone
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17:11<PC52615>you guy's are SO boring lol
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17:12<PC52615>by the way what are you guy's talking about?
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17:13<demedura>I'm having a trouble with a server I juste updated to lenny (with a kernel update 2.6.26-1 IIRC).
17:13<demedura>Now it won't start.
17:14<demedura>With recue mode everything works perfectly
17:14<PC52615>you are kwazzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
17:14<MC50448>i dont get it
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17:14<demedura>ie : I can mount all fs, ping, update etc.
17:14<MC50448>lol u talk funny
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17:14<demedura>But when I start without CD, it fails.
17:14<PC52615>are you guys DORKS lol
17:14<demedura>The reason is that /dev/mapper/fs-root doesn't exists.
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17:15<MC50448>lol what the hell is that
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17:15<PC52615>you guys talk FUNNY
17:15<demedura>Any idea what could cause this ? I checked that /lib/modules-${kernel-number} exists, in doubt I even reinstalled the kernel.
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17:15<demedura>An idea ?
17:16<PC52615>mr too
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17:16<stas>somebody kick those bots out of the channel
17:16<MC50448>lol sorry im not a dork
17:16<MC50448>im not a bot
17:16<PC52615>ah f u stupid person jus because u talk funny
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17:17<PC52615>an i aint a f in bot u bot
17:17<MC50448>whats a bot???
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17:17<PC52615>these dorks lol'
17:17<Supaplex>!ops prebubescent kids and their bots
17:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: prebubescent kids and their bots
17:18<PC52615>what the heck r u guys talkin bout wierdo's
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17:20<Supaplex>may as well +b *!*@65.19.225.* instead. :)
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17:20<lain>Supaplex, why ban all the that net ? i mean the 254 hosts behind 65.19.225 ?
17:20<Hydroxide>Supaplex: that's a whole class C...
17:20<demedura>Nice op hl function. good idea.
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17:22<Supaplex>granted, but the ident was my focus.
17:22<demedura>Let me rephrase this now that the kids are gone.
17:22<demedura>I'm having a trouble with a server I juste updated to lenny (with a kernel update 2.6.26-1 IIRC). With recue mode everything works perfectly. But when I start without CD, it fails.
17:22<demedura>The reason is that /dev/mapper/fs-root doesn't exists.
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17:23<demedura>Any idea what could cause this ? I checked that /lib/modules-${kernel-number} exists, in doubt I even reinstalled the kernel.
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17:24<fastidio>rickbot: was phonon-backend-xine
17:25<fastidio>once installed, amarok works
17:25<rickbot>i've heard people complaining about phonon. don't know much about it
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17:30<stas>demedura, boot from a CD to your lenny system and try update-initramfs -u
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17:32<debacle> I'm configuring postfix with tls. (here you can find the postconf output. the problem is that TLS seems to not work. If i telnet my smtp i get no 250-STARTTLS message. May anyone help me please ?
17:32<debacle>i've configured postfix by reading this
17:32<demedura>stas: thanks i'll try this. Does that mean you thinks it's possible that my initramfs is corrupt ? isn't it supposed to be updated by the reinstalltion of the kernel ?
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17:33<stas>demedura, it supposed but who knows what happened in your case.
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17:35<And1>Anyone here could help me using mutt with IMAP? I get the message "Maildir: No such file or dir", my maildir is $HOME/.Maildir ...
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17:36<stas>Andl, read this
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17:39<And1>stas: Already tried that. And I'm getting the "No such file or dir"-message...
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17:40<And1>Maybe INBOX is the wrong name...
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17:43<debacle>can anyone help ?
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17:44<stas>Andl, paste your muttrc somewhere i would have a look. I use mutt with IMAP accordingly to that how-to i mentioned.
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17:45<stas>debacle, at least i cannot because i do not use postfix at all
17:46<debacle>stas: ok ... thank you anyway !
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17:51<demedura>stas: this still doesn't work.
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17:52<demedura>I tried the update-initramfs -u among other thigs, but this is still stuck at start
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18:04<stas>demedura, that is not so good.
18:04<demedura>Ok it seems that it was unable to start raid. I started manually.
18:05<demedura>Now I need to start lvm.
18:05<demedura>(I guess)
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18:07<stas>demedura, check this thread
18:07<stas>maybe it will help.
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18:12<fastidio>goodnight folks
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18:22<demedura>stas: thanks a lot, I just found the vgchange by myself, but this was the way to do it.
18:22<demedura>I still have no clue why the raid fails at start, but I'll see this after some sleep ;)
18:22<demedura>Thank for your patience.
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18:26<drasko>hi all. I am trying to use gsynaptic to switch off anoyying touchpad on my laptop, but it asks : You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics, and I am sure I put that in my xorg.conf. What might be wrong?
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18:43<drasko>how to enable shmconfig?
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18:45<maxb>drasko: Depends.... is your synaptics device configured in an xorg.conf "InputDevice" section, or is your X server new enough to be using hal for all of that?
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18:45<drasko>maxb, I tried in InputDevice, no effect
18:46<drasko>gsynaptic is still complaining
18:46<maxb>You completely restarted X after changing the conf file?
18:46<maxb>pastebin the xorg.conf you already tried?
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18:46<drasko>yes, I tried, will paste now
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18:47<maxb>(I run Ubuntu on my laptops, Debian on servers, so I'm not entirely familiar where Debian is in comparison to Ubuntu with X versions)
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18:47<maxb>Also, which Debian distro is this?
18:48<maxb>Are *any* of the other touchpad Option lines taking effect?
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18:49<drasko>and Section "ServerLayout" is comented out... I do not know what it is used for, so I comented it out.
18:50<maxb>Does X still work just as well if you remove *all* the InputDevice sections? (Be prepared for it to break and needing to revert the config file on the console)
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18:51<drasko>To comment out all Iput sections?
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18:52<maxb>I want to establish whether the version of X you're using cares about inputdevice configuration in xorg.conf at all
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18:53<gravity>drasko: man xorg.conf will tell you
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18:53<maxb>And what version is it (dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core) ?
18:54<drasko>ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4.2-7 Xorg X server - core server
18:55<drasko>I will resart X now
18:55<maxb>Hmm, that's quite a bit older than mine (1.6.0)
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18:56<drasko>Well, it seems to work with all InputDevice comented out
18:56<drasko>That's not good
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18:57<maxb>I think you can remove those minimal Device/Monitor/Screen sections too :-)
18:57<maxb>OK then, let's assume that the hal-based config I'm using on Ubuntu *might* work for you too.
18:57*maxb pastebins
18:57<k0pp>xorg.conf fails?
18:58<k0pp>speaking of, if theres a pro in here with xorg, i'd like to have them look at my config and tell me why its making my box freeze when KDM starts up when my second video card is plugged in
18:58<k0pp>i'll paste it
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19:00<chealer>drasko: "it works" meaning that X starts or that your utility stops complaining about SHMConfig?
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19:00<drasko>it works means that X starts
19:00<drasko>not shmconfig
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19:02<maxb>So, if you copy that into a file, and put it at /etc/hal/fdi/policy/my-synaptics-prefs.fdi
19:02<chealer>drasko: you need to enable SHMConfig, but in an active section
19:03<maxb>And then restart hal, and X, it might work.
19:03<drasko>chealer, looking at my xorg.conf,, which section would that be?
19:03<maxb>Leastways, that's how to do it on ubuntu
19:04<chealer>drasko: the big, non-commented Section "InputDevice"
19:04<drasko>chealer, well - here you go
19:04<drasko>it does not work
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19:05<drasko>maxb, I am sure I tried similar thing before. It did not work.
19:05<drasko>Let me try again
19:05<chealer>drasko: that section is not active in the xorg.conf you pasted. as gravity said, xorg.conf's manual page will tell you what ServerLayout is used for.
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19:06<maxb>You might want to check your lshal output, to see if the reported product string does actually contain the "Synaptics TouchPad" that's in what I pasted
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19:06<drasko>chealer, when I uncomment ServerLayout part, X wont even start
19:07<drasko>so I commented it out
19:07<chealer>k0pp: that's quite certainly a bug
19:07<k0pp>indeed it is
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19:09<chealer>drasko: that may be, but that's how you do it
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19:09<maxb>drasko: You don't need a ServerLayout section at all, in most normal configurations
19:10<drasko>chealer, is there some reason why it breaks in this configuration?
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19:11<drasko>maxb, withouth ServerLayout, I can not enable option SHMConfig
19:11<maxb>no, that makes no sense
19:12<ml>what can I use to monitor my network traffic?
19:13<ml>dkr: is tha a ncurses app?
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19:13<chealer>drasko: presumably... the log may tell you
19:14<ml>would prefer ncurses app
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19:19<ml>dkr: thanks
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19:43<dpkg><abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night
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19:57<goodger>I now have a paper entitled "Crouton: An Extensible System to Administer the Availability and Configuration of Software on a Network of Personal Computers Running Debian"
19:58<abrotman>does it come with dressing?
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19:58<goodger>yes, honey mustard or vinagrette, your choice
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20:03<Panterh3art>can someone help met with this
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20:05<abrotman>!find tcl.h lenny
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20:05<dpkg>Debian Search of 'tcl.h' (6 of 36): (/usr/lib/perl5/Tk/pTk/tcl.h) in perl/perl-tk ;; (/usr/include/oop-tcl.h) in libdevel/liboop-dev ;; (/usr/include/xotcl/xotcl.h) in libdevel/xotcl-dev ;; (/usr/include/plplot/pltcl.h) in math/plplot-tcl-dev ;; (/usr/include/kde/keditcl.h) in libdevel/kdelibs4-dev ;; (/usr/include/tcl8.4/expect_tcl.h) in devel/expect-dev.
20:06<abrotman>only 36 huh ..
20:07<abrotman>Panterh3art: get the tcl8.x-dev package to match the tcl you have instlaled
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20:09*goodger /o/s at kernel modesetting
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20:15<goodger>with kernel modesetting, it appears that linux's GUI is finally on its way to being fixed
20:15<Wilduck>linux has a gui?
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20:16<ycs>Wilduck: it's called irssi
20:17<Wilduck>wait, isn't that an irc client?
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20:18<ycs>I think so. If it isn't I don't know how I got here..
20:18<maxb>Panterh3art: Requiring someone to follow a link to even know what your problem is, is making it hard for people to help you
20:19<Wilduck>ok, now I'm just confused. An irc client is a gui for linux?
20:19<Wilduck>I don't see the connection...
20:20<goodger>I did, of course, mean the X-y bits
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20:24<djc>The linux irc-client GUI is broken?
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20:26<djc>Panterh3art, so did you read the file its referring to? Do you have tcl installed? (
20:26<Panterh3art>it worked
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20:26<Panterh3art>needed to do a apt-get install on tcl-dev
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20:27<NX>difference between apt-spy and netselect ? please!
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20:31<abrotman>Panterh3art: didn't i say that 15 minutes ago ?
20:32<Panterh3art>yes u did
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20:46<forest>debian-multimedia repository includes lame 3.98 which has a known bug... what do I need to do to install lame 3.97 instead ?
20:46<forest>build from source?
20:47<forest>or is there a way to fetch the lame 3.97 binary ?
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21:01<debacle>Hi, using ls i 've found a dir who has drwxrwsrwx as privileges. Can anyone tell what is 's' in the group ?
21:02<abrotman>debacle: man chmod
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21:03<rjent>debacle: set user or group ID on execution (s)
21:03<debacle>rjent: is not x for execution ?
21:04<rjent>debacle: set user or group ID on execution
21:05<rjent>search for +s in man chmod
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21:08<debacle>rjent: ok
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21:11<debacle>rjent: thank you !
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21:29<forest>Are people using soundconverter on Lenny or is there a *better* package for converting ogg > lame ?
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21:31<Nemoder>forest: I just use a script: for file in *.ogg;do oggdec -o - "$file"|lame -h -V 4 --vbr-new - "$(basename "$file" .ogg).mp3";done
21:32<Nemoder>granted, there is no way to avoid quality loss going from ogg to mp3
21:32<forest>this is just to get my ogg files on my blasted ipod :-O
21:32<Nemoder> might be another option :)
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21:35<forest>thanks Nemoder , I have a nano, so there's a good chance that won't work on my *current* ipod
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21:36<forest>however when I get my next one I will make sure it's compatible
21:36<forest>and use linux on it instead of...
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21:38<forest>Nemoder: which package supplies oggdec?
21:39<Nemoder>apt-file search bin/oggdec
21:39<Nemoder>vorbis-tools looks like
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21:39<forest>yes that's what I just found too
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21:40<forest>but thanks for apt-file--- I wasn't using it yet!
21:40<taken>what can i use in gnome to manage wireless networks?
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21:41<abrotman>gnome has a wireless manager
21:41<abrotman>not in lenny
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21:43<taken>wicd is nice, tks
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22:27<Iain_8>Does anyone know why the icons on iceweasels buttons would show up broken?
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22:34<bernardo>hello, I'm using Lenny with kernel 2.6.26-amd64 and I want to know how can I make my wireless card work? (intel wifi link 5100)
22:35<bernardo>I already have the firmware
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22:37<abrotman>bernardo: the .26 kernel doesn't support that card
22:38<gsimmons>!tell bernardo -about iwlagn
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22:38<bernardo>really? but what if i compile it with the driver or something?
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23:02<mruwzten>hm. is there an opensource application that does something like yahoo pipes?
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23:08<slimjim>hey can anyone tell me the avg time it should take to mkfs.ntfs on a USB tb i started it about 24hrs ago and it is only at 7% at this moment.
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23:11<rsmbau>Has any one sucessfully set up WiFi with Atheros with only free software? If so how?
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23:13<slimjim>hey can anyone tell me the avg time it should take to mkfs.ntfs on a USB tb i started it about 24hrs ago and it is only at 7% at this moment.
23:13<gsimmons>!tell rsmbau -about atheros
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23:16<slimjim>hey can anyone tell me the avg time it should take to mkfs.ntfs on a USB tb i started it about 24hrs ago and it is only at 7% at this moment.
23:16<gsimmons>!tell slimjim -about repeat
23:16<gsimmons>slimjim: mkntfs performs volume zeroing and a bad sector check by default, unless disabled via -f or -Q.
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23:17<slimjim>ok can i cancel it then and start it over with -f or -Q or should i let it run
23:17<slimjim>or is there a beter way to format it
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23:19<bernardo>is there a mac-style menu bar available for gnome?
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23:21<kristianpaul>bernardo: awn
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23:21<kristianpaul>but require 3d working
23:21<slimjim>gsimmons do you recomend that i can stop the current mkfs and start a fresh one, or a beter way to format it.
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23:24<bernardo>kristianpaul: how do I know if mine is working?
23:24<kristianpaul>with compiz-fiusion i guess
23:24<chealer>slimjim: what do you mean by "a USB tb"?
23:24<bernardo>kristianpaul: how's that?
23:26<slimjim>chealer it is a western digital 1tb ext hard via USB. I changed the partion on it and reconfig to my liking, then when i went to mkfs.ntfs i did it not know it would default to zero and bad sector scan.
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23:26<kristianpaul>bernardo: there is a packages called compiz-fussion, thats i remenber
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23:27<jrabbit>slimjim: I'd suggest using ext3 if you can get away with it or maybe FAT if you have to ensure readability
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23:27<slimjim>i thought fat had issues with file system over 4gb
23:28<jrabbit>slimjim: if you're just going to use it on one computer it might be worth the effort to install ext3 drivers on that one windows computer that would interface with it
23:28<jrabbit>And not "vfat" or fat32 what linux doesn't limit your access to
23:28<slimjim>it will be between my box and lappy
23:28<jrabbit>iirc it's /files/ that are over 4GB
23:29<jrabbit>not normally an issue
23:29<slimjim>jrabbit right now it is in the process of zeroing should i cancel that out and re file it
23:29<slimjim>i rather ext3
23:29<jrabbit>slimjim: if you want to
23:29<jrabbit>I'd go with it
23:29<slimjim>is there a beter way then mkfs.ext3
23:29<jrabbit>I've had more success with the ext2 drivers for windows then the commercial product "MacDrive" for HFS partitions
23:30<jrabbit>slimjim: gparted?
23:30<slimjim>jrabbit for some reason when i was doing that before it would unmount it and then no longer see it
23:30<jrabbit>I'm not sure if it's installed an hidden or installed and in the menu or not instaleld at all.
23:30<jrabbit>slimjim: well thats not gparted's fault
23:31<jrabbit>it uses the lowerlevel tools you've been using
23:31<jrabbit>just kind of abstracts them
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23:31<jrabbit>So I'd look at your logs both gparted and syslogs about the mounting
23:31<slimjim>ok....well i will look at it i can just ctrl-c to make the current action stop
23:31<bernardo>is there a flash player plugin for iceweasel? ( I'm using amd64)
23:32<jrabbit>Yeah. it'll leave the drive in a *BAD* place but it's nothing worse then a worthless full FS
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23:32<jrabbit>you'll jsut delete everythign on the cdrive to start
23:32<jrabbit>thats the best step I've found
23:32<jrabbit>if you can get it EMPTY you can partition it will better success
23:33<slimjim>k so cancel and start from scratch with making the partion and everyting
23:33<jrabbit>yeah if you've had issues thats the best place to start
23:33<slimjim>good help
23:34<jrabbit>if you have problems with that see if you can paste some log outputs or detail your process out.
23:36<kristianpaul>bernardo: swfdec, gnash, or a malevolus flash non-free
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23:36<slimjim>i sure will i can paste it on pastbing
23:37<slimjim>you know what i mean...sicky keys.
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23:40<bernardo>kristianpaul: wich one is the best?
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23:48<slimjim>jrabbit being that is a terabit drive i am asuming even gparted is going to take some time to complete the file system
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23:49<jrabbit>most likely.
23:49<jrabbit>initializing a drive to be blank shouldn't take that long
23:50<jrabbit>is it new?
23:50<slimjim>fairly new
23:50<slimjim>on a few months old
23:50*jrabbit has had some weird errors from block failure
23:50<jrabbit>funny thing is thats where the windows bootloader used to be
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23:51<slimjim>i have issues with my other windows bootloader on my lappy but i got rid of it and put linux on that also, but this tb drive is for mp3 and mpeg storage (movies and music)
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23:53<jrabbit>I just mean i had to change the partitinos and skipped that block and it worked
23:54<jrabbit>I had indecipherable errors
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23:54<Montreaux>Hi need some help pls
23:54<slimjim>that is what i was having at first, but the weird thing is this drive is a ext drive but western digita had some autorun crap that would mess up in linux and make everything nowrite
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23:57<slimjim>jrabbit still formating =) ? not sure if that is good or bad
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