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---Logopened Tue Mar 31 00:00:07 2009
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00:00<enouf>stew: that's ok - point taken
00:00<Wolfcastle>nothing, that's what's weird about it...I didn't change anything related to sound since last restart
00:00<Wolfcastle>I use alsa btw
00:00<Wolfcastle>arts disabled
00:00<stew>enouf: actually, if you have a 10 TB NAS, just send it along. we'll make it work
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00:00<enouf>Wolfcastle: i bet you loaded some flash or flash plugins
00:00<Wolfcastle>kmix shows nothing
00:01<enouf>stew: i was waiting for a comment like that :-P
00:01<Wolfcastle>I tried alsaconfig as root and still the same
00:01<stew>enouf: i'm glad i didn't let you down then :)
00:01<Wolfcastle>enouf: not that I know of
00:01<enouf>kill kmix, but 1st go into it's prefs and untick everything
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00:02<Wolfcastle>enouf: ok done
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00:02<enouf>stew: as long as judd doesn't show sid versions 3x instead of the other releases, im ok ;-)
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00:03<stew>enouf: that's hard for me to fix without more storage
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00:03<Wolfcastle>uf I really like linux but it's sound system is just a mess
00:04<enouf>Wolfcastle: pastebin this ; as root run lsof | egrep 'artsd|esd|flash|pulse'
00:04<enouf>stew: oh .. i see ... and now understand - ok
00:05<enouf>stew: i happen to have this 10TB array handy .. interested? :-P
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00:05<stew>enouf: that would be perfect
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00:06<enouf>Wolfcastle: welp .. now do fuser -m /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*
00:06<enouf>Wolfcastle: i'd kill timidity ... and restart kde session
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00:07<Wolfcastle>enouf: ok I will try that and if it doesn't work I'll get back to you thanx anyway
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00:08<enouf>i've never seen such a clean/minimal output from my lsof command - 2 lines total :-P
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00:12<Wolfcastle>enouf: that didn't do it...
00:12<enouf>Wolfcastle: does lsof | egrep 'artsd|esd|flash|pulse' again show the same 2 entries only?
00:13<enouf>Wolfcastle: and run ps aux
00:13<Wolfcastle>now it only shows knotify
00:13<enouf>Wolfcastle: er and run ps aux | grep artsd
00:13<enouf>how would kmix work without artsd?
00:14<enouf>the sound server is enabled in Kcontrol?
00:14<enouf>Wolfcastle: i need to run - sorry ...
00:14<Wolfcastle>nope I have it disabled
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00:14<Wolfcastle>ok np thanx anyway
00:14<Wolfcastle>it has worked before
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00:14<Wolfcastle>i turned off arts a long time ago
00:15<enouf>Wolfcastle: you could try /msg dpkg alsa checklist
00:15<Wolfcastle>ok thanx
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00:19<Xenguy>Q. why does sound work fine in one user account, but not in another? This is driving me crazy...
00:19<Xenguy>both accounts are a member of the audio group...
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00:19<Xenguy>I have checked to make sure the 2 accounts are members of the same groups...
00:20<Xenguy>And yet with one account sound works fine, but another it just will not :-(
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00:21<Xenguy>I frankly hate sound on linux; even when it works I can only play music with one app at a time
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00:21<Xenguy>it's like the dark ages, frankly embarassing
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00:35<shze|laptop>I installed openjdk-6-jre and I have now /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
00:36<shze|laptop>but when I try /usr/bin/java it returns file not found
00:36<chealer>!tell Xenguy about doesn't work
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00:37<noppe>how can i get rid off pulseaudio without also removing half of the system because it somehow depends on libpulse0? or at least completely disable pulseaudio and stay happy with just alsa?
00:37<shze|laptop>but starting /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java works
00:37<shze|laptop>what's wrong with the links?
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00:38<shze|laptop>ohh, it's just wrong and points to the old version :)
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00:49<chealer>noppe: to disable pulseaudio, removing all pulseaudio packages (except libpulse) should do the job
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00:50<noppe>chealer: okay, thanks.
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01:01<_jaldhar>Hello. does anyone have 802.11n working with ath9k driver?
01:02<_jaldhar>11g is find under both lenny and ubuntu. 11n under neither
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01:26<PiklesOnFire>hey gabriel
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02:48<snogglethorpe>hmm, if I compile using g++'s -std=c++0x option, it says "auto_ptr is deprecated"... what's replaced it?
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02:51<petern>unique_ptr, apparently
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03:10<snogglethorpe>i wonder if unique_ptr works in c++98 mode...or i gotta have some config...
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03:20<Tuplad>hey! last night I have updated through aptitude, and there was an update where X driver via would be deleted and openchrome would be installed, now I can't get into X at all :O
03:21<Tuplad>I tried installing the package again though, but no success in starting X
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03:21<data-K>good morning you all... how can I ping my Virtualbox machine, please? I need to set up a script but the IP I get in my vrt. mach. thru ifconfig is dead.. any advice, please?
03:24<jm_>Tuplad: check your X logfile
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03:26<Tuplad>jm_: I can't find the file .
03:27<jm_>Tuplad: it's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
03:29<Tuplad>cant find any screen it says
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03:30<jm_>Tuplad: Failed to load module "via" (module does not exist, 0)
03:30<jm_>Tuplad: does your xorg.conf specify this driver?
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03:33<Tuplad>jm_: yes it does
03:33<Tuplad>jm_: wait up
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03:37<jm_>Tuplad: try commenting it out
03:37<Tuplad>jm_: done
03:39<Tuplad>jm_: it works :)
03:39<Tuplad>jm_: thanks!
03:40<jm_>Tuplad: np
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03:55<m_g>hey guys, if apt wants to upgrade my kernel, what files do i need to save for the worst case? only whole boot directory? (using grub)
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03:55<jm_>m_g: define upgrade my kernel
03:55<alephnull>Where does dh-make-perl look for module dependencies ? I have Class::Trigger installed but Text::CSV::Simple makes dmp complain.
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03:57<alephnull>Installing via plain CPAN works too.
03:57<m_g>jm_, replace 2.6.18 with 2.6.26
03:57<m_g>and update grub
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03:57<jm_>m_g: just install 2.6.26, it won't replace 2.6.18 - you will have both kernels in grub menu
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03:58<jm_>you don't need to update grub either, kernel package will take care of it
03:58<m_g>oki and if it doesn't boot i can try to replace /boot with my backed up /boot?
03:58<jm_>no, in that case you simply select 2.6.18 kernel in grub which you know it works
03:58<m_g>i don't have phsyical access to that machine
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03:59<m_g>but a rescue boot
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04:02<jm_>well in that case simply change the default kernel in grub via your rescue method
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04:03<m_g>ah ok, will do that, thanks
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04:12<Steven_M>Did I install the keyring for the backports properly?
04:14<gsimmons>Steven_M: You can use "apt-key list" to verify the trusted key addition.
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04:17<Steven_M>gsimmons: should I have done that before I installed the key or after?
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04:25<Steven_M>gsimmons: is it safe for me to paste the output of apt-key list to see if it looks right to you?
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04:33<Steven_M>is it safe for me to paste the output of apt-key list so that one of you can see if it looks right?
04:34<jm_>Steven_M: all people use the same keys for public repositories
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04:35<Steven_M>koollman: jm_ ok
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04:43<fladi>hi! what part of the system could be responsible for changing group ownership (users -> root) on device nodes (/dev/sr1) when loading a blank dvd in the dvd-drive? Using unstable, DE is gnome
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04:51<Bleupomme>Hello how can I check if a DVD drive can burn DL-DVD? What does MRW in /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info mean?
04:51<simonrvn>fladi: udev is a likely culprit
04:52<llutz>Bleupomme: "wodim -prcap" should help
04:52<Bleupomme>llutz: Thank you
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04:53<fladi>simonrvn: i already searched udev-config but it sets the group correctly on boot
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04:54<simonrvn>okaaay, and so what's the problem then?
04:54<fladi>simonrvn: is udev involved when inserting an empty disc?
04:54<jm_>fladi: no, that would be something else
04:55<simonrvn>if a device file is missing and needs to be created, yes. udev manages /dev only.
04:55<llutz>hald maybe
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04:56<fladi>is there a configuration for hal expect the one in /etc/hal?
04:57<simonrvn>!wayttd fladi
04:57<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, fladi?
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04:57<fladi>simonrvn: i try to burn a iso to a blank cd using brasero
04:58<simonrvn>ok. you in cdrom group?
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04:58<simonrvn>do `id`
04:58<simonrvn>(no ticks)
04:59<fladi>simonrvn: i use a different permission-layout due to ldap-users
04:59<simonrvn>yes, and why would that matter?
04:59<fladi>there is only one group called "users" which is set as the group for /dev/sr1 which is the cd-writer by udev
05:00<simonrvn>same question applies
05:00<fladi>no, the user is not a member of disk
05:00<fladi>not a member of cdrom
05:01<simonrvn>is the user a member of users ?
05:01<fladi>it's his primary group
05:01<simonrvn>so... what's the problem?
05:02<fladi>when i palce the blank cd in the drive something changes the group of /dev/sr1 from "users" to "root". thus i'm no longer allowed to write to this device node
05:03<fladi>and now i'm unable to burn the cd
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05:03<simonrvn>ah, now we're getting somewhere (sorry if i'm making you repeat yourself)
05:04<simonrvn>i'd chgrp it back, tail your logs, and try again, see what's doing it...
05:04<fladi>i'm really stuck at this point because i have no clue where i should investigate further
05:04<tholdan>did someone know why i have to run alsaconf at EACH boot ? (tried the alsactl store, but it didn't worked)
05:04<fladi>same thing happens again.
05:04<simonrvn>anythign in the logs at all?
05:04<fladi>`chgrp users /dev/sr1` -> everthing is ok; place cd in drive -> group gets changed
05:05<fladi>no, nothing in the logs
05:05<simonrvn>hm so either some weird dbus or hal thing
05:05<jm_>fladi: try to strace hal when you try it
05:05<fladi>jm_: ok
05:06<simonrvn>strace -p $(pidof thehaldaemon'sname)
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05:08<Steven_M>Did I install the keyring for the backports properly? Here's the output of the install command: and here's my key list:
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05:09<simonrvn>it would seem so ;)
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05:11<fladi>jm_: is there a special syscall i should look for in strace?
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05:12<jm_>fladi: well -e trace=file to catch everything file related, or just dump it to a file and rep for your device file
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05:13<hellobcn>hello all
05:13<hellobcn>i have a question for you
05:14<jm_>another option is block_dump
05:14<hellobcn>i have updated to lenny and X server doesn't start
05:14<hellobcn>because can't load Type1 and ati modules
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05:14<hellobcn>anybody know why?
05:15<jm_>hellobcn: no that's not the real reason
05:15<tholdan>did someone know why i have to run alsaconf at EACH boot ? (tried the alsactl store, but it didn't worked)
05:15<hellobcn>which is the reason, jm_?
05:15<jm_>hellobcn: I wouldn't know, look in the logfile
05:16<prahal>tholdan: which kernel version ? by the way alsaconf is being removed from debian so we better find out what s wrong for your setup or else it will be simply broken when this change will reach testing . Do you have in /etc/Modprobe.d/ a file like "sound" ?
05:16<jm_>tholdan: why do you need to run it at all?
05:16<prahal>and more than one sound device (for example a webcam with a microphone ?
05:16<tholdan>yes i have sound in modprobe
05:17<tholdan>and yes a webcam with a microphone
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05:17<prahal>tholdan: remove the line "alias snd-card-0 ... "
05:17<prahal>in this file
05:17<jm_>tholdan: check /proc/asound/cards - verify which is which
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05:18<prahal>and rename it sound.conf to be future proof (otherwise it won't be read by newer kernels)
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05:18<jm_>it's modprobe that reads it, not kernel
05:18<tholdan>thanks :)
05:18<Steven_M>night all
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05:19<tholdan>did i really need to remove the line "alias..." ? what does it do ?
05:20<prahal>I found it this line harms because the audio devices fight for the snd-card-0 index . Don't know why but for some time the webcam came first and then the audio card failed to load due to this line telling it should eb first or fail
05:20<prahal>You could comment it
05:20<simonrvn>synaptic has improved a lot from when it first came out, but i personally like aptitude better.
05:20<jm_>who puts that file there? I don't have it
05:20<simonrvn>woops, ECHAN
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05:20<prahal>I bet it is alasaconf
05:21<prahal>one more reasons to consider this script broken
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05:21<tholdan>thanks all
05:21<jm_>alsaconf is a binary, can't find string "modprobe" in it
05:22<jm_>ahh sorry, I looked at alsactl
05:22<jm_>yeah alsaconf does that
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05:23<jm_>must be a "new" version that does it, I do remember running it years ago
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05:35<frunsk>@work we have exchange server 2003, im able to use my personal mailbox with imap, but im having difficulty using exchange public folders/mailboxes
05:36<jm_>you should be able to access those via IMAP too
05:37<petemc_>calendar items are imap too, no?
05:37<frunsk>jm_, i haven't managed to do that though... (i tried with both evolution and thunderbird)
05:37<frunsk>petemc_, there is a td pluging that handles that
05:38<petemc_>i only noticed when i ran imapsync on an exchange mailbox and it grabbed calendar entries too
05:39<petemc_>are any of the mail clients doing something other than scraping outlook web access yet?
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05:39<jm_>frunsk: imaps://server/Public%20Folders/ or so, let me verify
05:40<frunsk>jm_, where should i set that?
05:40<jm_>frunsk: well I have never used TB, can't help you with that
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05:41<frunsk>jm_, which client are u most used to?
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05:42<jm_>frunsk: I use mutt or claws-mail, let me try it here
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05:43<frunsk>jm_, the url u gave me... should i set it as a separate account?
05:43<jm_>frunsk: well I have no idea how TB works :), maybe just try it in mutt first to see if you can access it
05:44<jm_>hmm mutt said Public Folders is a special mailbox ;)
05:44<frunsk>jm_, yeah i can try it with another app and then apply it elsewhere
05:45<jm_>then again, I never really used it so I can't properly verify if there's anything in it, let's use web front-end
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05:46<jm_>yeah it works for me
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05:47<debam>hi to all,i have configured laserjet M1005MFP printer using samba but from client side i am not able to print .
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05:48<jm_>frunsk: yup, works fine for me in mutt
05:48<jeffrey>debam, you need install the driver on your host
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05:51<debam>jeffrey,yes i have installed at client side error is Session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
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05:51<rfrochtm>et ouais !
05:51<rfrochtm>on ne pas s'ennuyer en cours de Linux
05:51<rfrochtm>Invite les autres ;)
05:51<jeffrey>I don't think you need to share your printer via samba.
05:51<lbouakha>bah vas y toi !
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05:52<jm_>jeffrey: he was asking about doing it in CUPS for three weeks or so, and it looks like now he gave up and switched to samba
05:52<jeffrey>Just install the driver on your host and connect to the printer via network.
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05:53<jeffrey>I don't really like samba, relative to windows product
05:54<petemc_>samba works perfectly well
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05:55<jeffrey>debam, you only need the ip address of the printer, and you can configure your host to print via network.
05:56<jeffrey>I prefer NFS
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05:56<debam>jeffrey,yes i am using ip address of samba server system
05:56<debam>NFS how to?
05:57<jeffrey>debam, NFS not related to your problem.
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05:58<jeffrey>debam, according to the fail msg LOGON_FAILURE, it may be something with user/password permission issue.
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05:59<debam>jeffrey, but i am using same user name and password..
06:00<jeffrey>Do you connect your printer to one linux server, and share the printer on your server?
06:00<debam>jeffrey, no no..both are same
06:01<jeffrey>You start samba server on your printer?
06:02<jeffrey>What's your network structure?
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06:06<debam>jeffrey, yes i have started samba
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06:06<zxxd>what could cause rpcinfo -p localhost to hang?
06:06<zxxd>not even output an error
06:06<debam>jeffrey, all systems connected in same LAN
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06:07<petern>hmm, what's the preferred method of configuring X with multiple monitors?
06:07<debam>jeffrey, is there other easy way to share printer in lenny?
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06:08<petern>the default set up (fresh install) comes up with 720x400 on one monitor and flashing text garbage on the second monitor
06:08<simonrvn>petern: xinerama or xrandr
06:08<petern>xrandr lists only 720x400
06:08<petern>hmm, or lower
06:09<jeffrey>debam, just put your printer int the network, and install the printer driver on your host, then do some config, and you can use your printer
06:09<simonrvn>what are you on, a phone? :P
06:09<jm_>zxxd: strace it
06:09<petern>nvidia 7900 (using nv drivers)
06:10<petern>left monitor is 1024x768, right monitor is 1680x1050
06:10<debam>jeffrey, either configuration or driver is not working...
06:10<jm_>petern: nvidia has docs about twinview in their readme
06:10<jeffrey>I did this on Ubuntu once, it's really simple
06:10<petern>EDID information in xorg log shows all correct modes
06:10<petern>jm_, i'm using nv
06:11<jm_>petern: then check if man page for nv shows any options
06:11<jeffrey>Two things to check: 1, your driver works fine, 2, your configuration is right.
06:12<jm_>debam: I already told you several times - CUPS was made for such things
06:12<petern>same thing with xinerama enabled
06:12<debam>jeffrey, while first time both works from client side onle after rebooting it wont
06:12<petern>config is default, i.e. autodetect everything
06:12<prahal>debam: ipp drivers on the other hosts
06:13<jeffrey>make sure the IP to the printer is correct after reboot
06:13<zxxd>jm_: it's faliling to connect to the local portmap
06:13<jeffrey>if the printer gets IP address from dhcp, then the IP address may change.
06:13<jm_>zxxd: is it runninganf listening?
06:13<petern>bah, i guess i'll try the nvidia driver
06:14<debam>jeffrey, i am using static ip
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06:15<debam>prahal, to use ipp server side any configuration require?
06:15<prahal>petern: yes or nouveau driver
06:15<prahal>debam: no cups support ipp natively
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06:16<jm_>debam: ipp means cups
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06:16<prahal>you want to use system-config-printer to check every details
06:16<prahal>ipp mean internet printing protocol :)
06:17<simonrvn>is noueveau at all stable now? last time i tried with a tnt2 it froze the box.
06:17<jm_>yes, but i means you need cups installed
06:17<debam>prahal, jm_ but i saw in google that some file has to configure..
06:17<petern>silly me hoping it would work out of the box :o
06:17<jm_>debam: yes, like I told you - you need to allow remote access to a cups defined printer
06:17<simonrvn>this was when it was very new, like last year.
06:18<prahal>simonrvn: cannot tell . I don't own nvidia cards for a long time . Though from their status page it seems 2D is fine by now (except on a specific family of card
06:18<simonrvn>new, nouveau, get it?
06:18<jm_>simonrvn: according to the progress reports/status matrix lots of progress has been made
06:18<simonrvn>jm_: nice to hear
06:18<jm_>but I can't be arsed trying it yet ;)
06:18<jeffrey>I don't think you even need CUPS if you printer support network print
06:18<prahal>petern: I suggest nouveau because it support xrandr1.2 while I bet nv driver does not or partially
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06:24<zxxd>jm_: portmap is running just not responding
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06:25<jm_>zxxd: you can strace it to see if the requests reach it at all
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06:59<stuart>whats the command to edit a file when no window manager is running?
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07:00<jm_>stuart: edit it on a tty
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07:01<petemc_>editor file
07:01<stuart>jm_ I tried to enable 3d desktop and now cannot run Gnome
07:01<stuart>jm_ gedit file doesn't seem to work
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07:02<jm_>stuart: use an editor that doesn't need X11
07:02<stuart>jm_ like what?
07:02<tholdan>vim, nano, ed
07:03<stuart>jm_ is there a way to reinstall gnome at default settings?
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07:03<jm_>stuart: it's usually enough to jsut rename ~/.gnome and ~/.gconf* dirs, no need to reinstall it
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07:04<stuart>are they in etc?
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07:05<jm_>no in your home dir
07:05<stuart>ok, thanks
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07:05<stuart>if I need a sledgehammer whats the command to reinstall?
07:05<stuart>apt-get gdm?
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07:05<petemc_>!install gnome
07:05<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
07:06<petemc_>!remove gnome
07:06<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly).
07:06<stuart>thanks guys
07:07<jm_>removing gnome won't solve your problems if the settings are stored in your home dir - package removal doesn't touch that
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07:10<stuart>jm_ aahh, do you have a link to something that can help?
07:11<jm_>stuart: log out, stop gdm if running, rename those dirs I mentioned, start it again, see if it helps
07:11<stuart>jm_ I just looked in my home directory and couldn't see those other directories
07:11<stuart>just Desktop basically
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07:12<jm_>stuart: how did you check?
07:12<immatRrecord>hi all
07:12<stuart>jm_ cd / cd home/stuart dir
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07:14<immatRrecord>nobody can help me for install nvidia driver for amd64, my graphic card is an 8600 gts
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07:14<jm_>stuart: note I said .gconf* .gnome - dir won't show those dirs by default
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07:14<stuart>jm_ I don't follow - they are hidden?
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07:15<immatRrecord>thanks jm_ i listen
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07:16<jm_>stuart: ls -d .gnome .gconf*
07:16<jm_>you need to read some basic stuff about Linux
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07:18<stuart>jm_ ok - they are listed, so if I look up the rename command and rename by removing the period(s) then reboot -- is that the general idea?
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07:19<jm_>stuart: rename is mv
07:19<jm_>stuart: the thing is, if you do this with gnome running it's likely it will write it back
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07:20<petern>log out, mv the crap to another dir, login
07:20<stuart>jm_ i don't think it is running though becuase it offered diagnsotic messages when it couldn't
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07:20<zxxd>jm_: this dosen't make sense , rpcinfo -p works from everywhere except from the box itself with the ip where portmap is running !
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07:21<jm_>stuart: still, I would do this in single user mode, then let gdm or whatever start
07:21<jm_>zxxd: but do you see it checking the request in strace?
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07:25<zxxd>trying something now
07:25<jm_>zxxd: strace -p to attach to running process
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07:29<stuart>jm_ i did those command (tho not in 1 user mode) except I didnt use "*" on the end of.gconf Is that significant?
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07:30<jm_>stuart: well not renaming .gconfd is not problematic
07:31<stuart>jm_ just renamed it. Restarting...
07:31<zxxd>jm_: i am not getting anything on portmap
07:31<zxxd>when doing a local rpicinfo -p
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07:31<jm_>zxxd: you should see it waiting in the poller at least
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07:31<zxxd>nothing coming to portmap
07:32<zxxd>yes waiting in the poll(
07:32<zxxd>but nothing coming in
07:32<jm_>right so requests are not reaching it then
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07:33<zxxd>and I am running rpcinfo from the same box where portmap is
07:33<jm_>yeah in that case you would see a request from after it wakes up from poll()
07:33<zxxd>and rpcinfo from remote boxes can reach this portmap without problem
07:34<zxxd>connection timed out
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07:35<stuart>jm_ Still "failed to start the x server ... no screens found. This problem precipitated by following the instructions at In particular, I think that screen message is becuase those instructions say to edit xorg.conf
07:35<jm_>and if you strace rpcinfo itself you see it contacting port 111?
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07:35<jm_>stuart: ahh, yes, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for details
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07:40<zxxd>jm_: no it contacts
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07:41<zxxd>jm_: but if the box ip is then the kernel knows how to redirect it to no?
07:41<zxxd>I just realized I didnt have a loopback interface up and running
07:41<zxxd>now it works
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07:44<stuart>jm_ It identifies a problematic line in the xorg file and it looks like there is a backup of the original xorg.conf, namely xorg.conf~ Rather than mess with the new file should i just mv xorg.conf~ xorg.conf ?
07:45<jm_>zxxd: :P
07:45<jm_>stuart: try that yes, but in that case you may not be using the proprieatary ATI driver
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07:47<stuart>jm_ so that link.. the instructions are basically good and I may get the 3d thing happening by fixing the xorg.conf ?
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07:48<jm_>stuart: well depends what really is the issue - you can put up your log on pastebin so I can check it
07:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
07:49<jm_>stuart: allows you to upload files, which is easy to do with links/lynx - or use pastebinit if you're using lenny
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07:52<stuart>jm_ only the 1 network cable and 2 comps -- will have to unplug this one. Am using lenny so are you saying pastebinit will upload a file from the command line for me? Will I need to restart to get network?
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07:52<dpkg>pastebinit is probably a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
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07:54<stuart>jm_ would it be just pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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07:55<jm_>stuart: pastebinit -i filename
07:55<debam>jm_ after configuring cups at server how to know printer queue path at client system?
07:55<stuart>jm_ back in a few minutes
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07:56<jm_>debam: did you try configuring it just in client.conf? is that not enough for you?
07:57<debam>jm_ there is no file named as client.conf..
07:58<jm_>debam: we went through this last time - copy it from /usr/share/doc/libcups2/examples/client.conf
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08:00<jm_>debam: otherwise I have no idea what you asked me - you can simply put http://servername:631/printers/foo as printer name if you have another CUPS server printing to remote printer
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08:02<stuart_>jm_ and
08:03<jm_>stuart_: yeah, defaultdepth goes in section screen
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08:04<jm_>stuart_: so just move that line down
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08:05<famelix>cual es el tema?
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08:06<jm_>debam: just found this, looks pretty good:
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08:07<jm_>debam: but the part about clients is not really right
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08:09<debam>jm_ cups is working fine problem is that how to identify which is queue name on server
08:09<jm_>debam: - this looks better
08:09<jm_>debam: what print queue?
08:09<jm_>debam: you don't need to know that
08:09<irocksu>how can i reestablish a ssh connection to a computer of which i can only access the hdd?
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08:10<irocksu>my problem is as follows: i have a nslu2 (network attached storage) which has debian. it only has a network port and 2 usb slots
08:10<irocksu>recently i messed up at apt-get dist-upgrade
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08:11<irocksu>and now my ssh daemon is broken
08:11<jm_>debam: it's probably printer name - lpstat -a will list all available ones on your server
08:11<irocksu>i do not know how to connect to this server.
08:12<jm_>irocksu: but how do you plan on fixing it without console access? are you sure it's safe to mount your NLSU filesystem on another architecture?
08:12<irocksu>jm_: yeah been there done that.
08:12<irocksu>filesystem is ext3
08:13<jm_>irocksu: well if you know it's safe and what to fix it should be easy
08:13<irocksu>but i do not know how to fix the deamon. it messed up at the prompt where debian asks weather it should generate a new ssl key
08:14<irocksu>yeah. my connection went down
08:15<jm_>well you just generate new keys
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08:15<irocksu>hmmm... so i just need to genereate then and dump them in my root directory?
08:16<jm_>yes, ssh-keygen and they go in /etc/ssh/ssh*_key - it probably left old keys as a backup so you could simply rename them and then sshd should start, but you will want to fix it later
08:16<jm_>rename them back
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08:21*irocksu mounting filesystem
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08:24<stuart_>jm_ well I've got gnome back How do I enable the 3d affects?
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08:25<jm_>stuart_: you mean compiz?
08:25<stuart_>jm_ i guess
08:25<stuart_>jm_ yes
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08:25<jm_>stuart_: try installing compiz-gnome, other than that I have no idea
08:26<irocksu>jm_: somehow everything seems ok.
08:26<stuart_>jm_ ok thanks for all your help
08:26<jm_>stuart_: btw, if you renamed those gnome dirs, it wasn't really needed
08:26<irocksu>jm_: how can i "reinstall a package on a different fs?"
08:26<jm_>irocksu: but it's not working? did you check logs?
08:26<stuart_>jm_ yes, but i learnt some stuff along the way
08:26<irocksu>jm_: right... one moment
08:27<jm_>stuart_: so rename it back, but first get rid of new dirs that were created
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08:27<stuart_>jm_ woah you lost me
08:28<stuart_>jm_ isn't everything just fine and dandy the way it is?
08:28<jm_>stuart_: so you're not missing any settings? if so just leave it ;)
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08:29<stuart_>jm_ i wouldn't know how to name it back anyway -- i thought what we did was to replace a new version (which we thought was broken) with an older copy
08:30<jm_>stuart_: no, not when it came to .gnome and .gconf dirs - you didn't have "old good" copy for that
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08:31<stuart_>jm_ so what was the mv thing about?
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08:32<jm_>stuart_: well you said it's gnome failing to start, but it wasn't
08:33<jm_>but I did not know that at the time
08:33<jm_>so it was a wrong path to take
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08:33<irocksu>jm_: where is ssh logged? i have no entries in dmsg and syslog
08:34<omes>see sshd config from /etc
08:34<stew>irocksu: /var/log/auth.log
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08:35<stuart_>jm_ ok
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08:35<jm_>irocksu: also check /var/log/daemon.log
08:35<jm_>any failures are likely to end up there
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08:38<irocksu>jm_: ok i get: error: Host key some_mac_address blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1))
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08:38<irocksu>i guess the key is not accepted and i must genereate a new one
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08:39<jm_>irocksu: indeed, I feared that's what is happening but was to lazy to verify myself *g*
08:39<irocksu>can i generate one on another system and just copy them over?
08:39<jm_>yeah I think that will work just fine, it's an ascii file
08:40<jm_>you can find keygen commands in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst
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08:40<jm_>search for ssh-keygen - it has one function that is being called for each key type being generated
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08:40<jm_>ahh wait there's an option for this!
08:41<jm_>PermitBlacklistedKeys yes
08:41<jm_>set it temporarily
08:41<jm_>and then fix it when it boots up
08:41<irocksu>in /etc/ssh ?
08:42<jm_>at least I hope this also applies to host keys, not just for authentication
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08:43<irocksu>jm_: does not exist. should i just enter it?
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08:45<jm_>irocksu: yes
08:46<jm_>(by not exist I assume you mean that keyword, not the file)
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08:49<fran>is't a shit
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08:49<stew>fran: please keep it on-topic and don't hit enter so often
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08:50<irocksu>jm_: ok this will take another 15 min to boot ;) i hope this fixed my problem.
08:50<jm_>irocksu: why so long?
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08:50<irocksu>jm_: nslu has 200 mhz and 32 mb ram
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08:50<fran>ubunti it's a shit
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08:50<jm_>irocksu: my p2 266 booted in about 1 minute
08:51<irocksu>jm_ how much ram?
08:51<irocksu>thats the bottleneck
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08:52<jm_>irocksu: not more than 64M
08:52<irocksu>well that explains it.
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08:52<irocksu>swapping to a usb drive is very slow
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08:53<jm_>is it usb 1.1?
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08:53<irocksu>no 2.0 still not as fast as sata or ide
08:54<irocksu>the throughput is ok but the response time is slow
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08:55<jm_>I didn't notice any big differences to directly attached disks
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08:57<petemc_>all usb enclosures arent equal
08:57<jm_>I only have some el cheapo ones ;)
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08:59<jm_>i'm surprised NLSU is so popular if it really takes so long to boot
09:00<petern>i imagine most people leave them on?
09:00<jm_>most likely yes
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09:05<irocksu>jm_: yeah always on.
09:05<makkan>Hello, if i managed to trash an application thats installed trought apt-get... how could i do a fresh install?
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09:06<dr|z3d>makkan: aptitude reinstall <packagename>
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09:08<makkan>dr|z3d: it seems to install just fine but when i trie to run it says "bash: vlc: command not found"
09:09<dr|z3d>VLC should be visible from your menu.
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09:09<dr|z3d>Not in the multimedia section?
09:09<irocksu>dr|z3d: try: apt-get --purge remove package_name
09:09<irocksu>and then install again
09:10<dr|z3d>You mean makkan, irocksu.
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09:10<irocksu>dunno whatever package is brocken
09:11<irocksu>ah sorry yeah
09:11<makkan>dr|z3d: Yes but i trie to run it over ssh..
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09:11<irocksu>makkan vlc is a viewer...
09:11<irocksu>you cannot start it via ssh
09:11<makkan>it's seems that the binary is gone away
09:12<irocksu>but it should still find it
09:12<makkan>irocksu: it is much more than a viewer.=)
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09:12<makkan>irocksu: purge does not work either..
09:13<makkan>whereis vlc gives to answers, but both ar folders, it seems that there is no binar
09:13<irocksu>jm_: t.t does not work
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09:13<irocksu>at least i know what to do
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09:14<irocksu>jm_: thanks for your help
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09:17<irocksu>makkan: there is no easy way to fix this. you skrewed up the apt somehow.
09:18<irocksu>makkan: try to dl the package and install it via dpkg
09:18<irocksu>if that fails you have to do it manually.
09:18<dr|z3d>makkan: Or use Synaptic.
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09:19<irocksu>dr|z3d: if aptitude does not work then synaptic is no better
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09:20<irocksu>dr|z3d: afaik they both just wrap around apt-get and do pretty much the same.
09:20<dr|z3d>irocksu: True, that. We don't have error messages from makkan, though, and frankly, it seems he'd be better off with Synaptic.
09:20<dr|z3d>irocksu: I know what Synaptic does, thanks nonetheless :)
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09:21<irocksu>i had once the same problem. tried to install slapd
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09:22<irocksu>but i rm -r the whole directory
09:22<irocksu>somehow neither apt-get nor dpkg can recover from this
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09:23<jm_>irocksu: so you'll need to regen the keys
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09:24<makkan>I will try that.. i don't get any error messages,, maybe i can get some hint,, but a friend toold me that's it's probably dpkg that thinks i have installed my own package and therefor does not install correct
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09:33<zxxd>where is the config file telling gdm what default theme to use
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09:34<stew>zxxd: /etc/gdm
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09:41<pawel>how to format hard disk?
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09:42<dr|z3d>pawel: use gparted.
09:42<pawel>isn't atere any 'terminal way'?
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09:43<dr|z3d>man format
09:43<dr|z3d>man fdisk
09:44<dr|z3d>Q to exit.
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09:46<makkan>i solved the problem, after some research i found that the binary vlc actually belongs to vlc-nox
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09:53<oznt>hi, can someone help with moin on debian ? I followed the syntax reference to add images, but it does not display images. Is there something I need to configure in debian in order to display images ?
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10:00<Cadmium02>I created public/provate key pair, copied puublic one into remote host's .ssh/athorized_keys file. WHen I tr to connect and use -v to see what isgoing on, I see this:
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10:02<bazil>use ssh-copy-id
10:03<Cadmium02>bazil, are you repling to me?
10:03<bazil>yes, ssh-copy-id user@host
10:03<Cadmium02>bazil, what does that mean?
10:04<bazil>type comman ssh-copy-id in your term
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10:07<Cadmium02>I did that but nothing changed
10:08<bazil>did it ask your password?
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10:08<Cadmium02>not key passphrase, just shell password
10:09<Cadmium02>I deleted the athorized keys file and let ssh-copy-id crete it
10:09<Cadmium02>debug shows that id_dsa pubkey is offered and then identity and id_rsa are checked instead of id_dsa
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10:12<bazil>if you dont want to use rsa - man ssh_config IdentityFile
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10:12<Cadmium02>bazil, if I use id_rsa it looks ar id_dsa private key, if I create id_dsa then in looks ar id_rsa private key
10:13<Cadmium02>I dont know what's happeing
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10:14<Cadmium02>Offering public key: /home/me/.ssh/id_dsa
10:14<Cadmium02>Trying private key: /home/me/.ssh/identity
10:14<Cadmium02>Trying private key: /home/me/.ssh/id_rsa
10:14<bazil>rm your keys on local and remote side, ssh-keygen, enter pass-phase, ssh-copy-id user@remote_side
10:14<Cadmium02>Does this look right to you?
10:15<Cadmium02>bazil, ok, I'll try once more
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10:18<Cadmium02>bazil, did it, exactly like that, ssh-copy-id propted for passphrase. still wont let me in using keys
10:19<bazil>ssh-copy-id prompted for passwd of user on the remote side not for passphrase
10:19<Cadmium02>bazil, it prompted passphrase first then remote site password
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10:20<bazil>strange behavior
10:20<Cadmium02>bazil, even when I use scp to copy public key it will ask me for passphrase
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10:21<bazil>what in your ./ssh/config
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10:21<Cadmium02>no such file
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10:21<petemc>its after you copy the public key that you shouldnt be prompted, not during or before
10:21<Cadmium02>petern, it prompts me during copy
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10:22<chuanren>files in /etc/modprobe.d/ need .conf as ext.
10:23<petemc>Cadmium02: it shouldnt matter, but i put my keys in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2
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10:24<Cadmium02>I'll try renaming it
10:25<Cadmium02>nope, didnt help
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10:25<petemc>Cadmium02: this should be easy, you must be missing something, try googling for a guide and follow it closely
10:26<Cadmium02>petemc, did it several times
10:26<Cadmium02>tried both dsa and rsa
10:26<Cadmium02>I think the key is in the debbuuging message
10:26<Cadmium02><Cadmium02> Offering public key: /home/me/.ssh/id_dsa
10:26<Cadmium02><Cadmium02> Trying private key: /home/me/.ssh/identity
10:26<Cadmium02><Cadmium02> Trying private key: /home/me/.ssh/id_rsa
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10:27<sid>Hi everybody! Having a problem with my new Toshiba Satellite P300D Notebook. It has two graphic cards (Radeon Mobility HD3200 and HD3470 and I can't get any new LiveCD to boot into X. Already read that this is because of the two graphic cards. Ubuntu 8.04 runs and installs out of the box, but in Ubuntu 8.10 or 9.04 X doesn't start up. Also tried Mint6, Suse11.1 and Mandriva2009, all to no avail. Probably the fglrx driver that is in kerne
10:27<sid>l 2.6.25-2.6.28 has some problem with that dual card setup. Anyone out there that can give me a hint on this?
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10:30<prahal>sid: I ebt this is due to randr 1.2 not supporting more than one card in the box at a time . randr 1.3 is supposed to add this support back (you may want to try experimental packages or xorg 1.6 and the drivers that matches)
10:30<Cadmium02>why is my comp offering id_dsa when kyes are setup with rsa?
10:31<sid>Thanks prahal! Will give this a try!
10:32<adb>Cadmium02: flushed old config ?
10:32<Cadmium02>adb, how do I do that?
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10:32<adb>i dunno
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10:33<Cadmium02>adb, dont think there is anything to be flushed
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10:39<sprok_>anyone know how to access exchange public mailboxes w/o OWA?
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10:48<erica>anyone actually here? could need a little help :/
10:48<pawel>what is the difference between lenny and etch?
10:48<gsimmons>!tell erica -about ask
10:48<Cadmium02>erica, just ask the question
10:48<petern>lenny is version 5.0, etch is version 4.0
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10:52<erica>Well ok, i'm running debian lenny. I'm having trouble connecting to my wpa-psk-secured wireless network. I have been trying to get wpasupplicant for this, but i was getting told the package did not exist when i tried to apt-get it. I got it manually from and now i haven't got the slightst idea of how to run it >.<
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10:52<sun>hi i want to install xmms on testing but its not there. i found on that its in a distro called 'oldstable'. if i edit my sources.list and get xmms from oldstable, has anyone gotten it to work? (i saw a webpage saying that i didnt work for someone)
10:52<OdyX>erica: are you using Gnome or KDE ?
10:53<erica>OdyX: gnome
10:53<OdyX>sun: you'd better forget xmms . It has been taken out of stable/testing/… for good reasons
10:53<OdyX>erica: you should better use network-manager
10:53<dpkg>[xmms] the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see For alternatives, look at <xmms2>, <rhythmbox>, <amarok>, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see for removal reasons
10:53<gsimmons>erica: See
10:54<erica>OdyX: yes i have tried to, but i do not get the option to say that the network uses wpa, only avaiable option is wep :/
10:54<OdyX>erica: that's a problem of the driver afaik
10:55<erica>OdyX: ohh. any suggestions on how to fix it?
10:55<OdyX>erica: fix the driver… ;)
10:56*OdyX is going now… Sorry.
10:56<erica>OdyX: well, thank you for helping :P
10:56<sun>odyx thanks. its too bad, xmms was great, the others have features i dont want or need
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10:56<gsimmons>erica: You may want to try using wpa_supplicant (independently of Network Manager) instead. See the later sections of that document.
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10:58<erica>gsimmons: i will take a look at that :)
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11:11<pawel>is lenny testing or stable?
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11:12<petern>it is stable now
11:13<@Ganneff>guess why the topic starts with "lenny released!"
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11:13<pawel>and where can I get lenny root filesystem for NSD-100?
11:13<petern>takes a month and a half to sink in :)
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11:23<dpkg>hello, zumbi
11:23<zumbi>dpkg: where is debian video archive?
11:23<dpkg>zumbi: what are you talking about?
11:24<dpkg>i heard video is interrupt 10h for the video BIOS
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11:24<zumbi>dpkg: meetings
11:24<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, zumbi
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11:24<dpkg>sound is probably ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>.
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11:26<dpkg>[media] TP
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11:27<zumbi>dpkg: video is also Located at
11:27<dpkg>zumbi: okay
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11:28<zumbi>dpkg: media is also Debian recorded media can be found at
11:28<dpkg>zumbi: okay
11:28<zumbi>dpkg: fool
11:28<dpkg>According to Murphy's law, nothing is foolproof. - Also, if you make anything even a fool can use, only fools will use it.. Moses - Also, Any man can make a mistake; only a fool keeps making the same one.
11:29<zumbi>dpkg: you need the forest gump one
11:29<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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11:30<forest>oddly enough, so do i
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11:34<pawel>where can I get lenny root filesystem for NSD-100?
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11:36<panv> do i need to run any command after editing xorg.conf for changes to take effect ?? or i just reboot >??
11:36<petemc>you only need to restart x
11:36<petemc>not reboot
11:37<panv>petemc, how can i know the maximum resolution that my monitor can support ?
11:37<panv>please >?
11:37<s4br3>Hi, I just bought 2GB DDR2 RAM to my previous 2GB DDR2 RAM. I run linux-image-2.6-amd64 on Debian sid/experimental. on a Intel Core2Quad Q6600. However, the KDE 4.2 System monitor only shows 3.4GB? Is there a 32-bit limitation in my system somewhere?!
11:38<panv>ok. thanks.
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11:38<petemc>panv: theres also edid stuff
11:38<panv>will google all those things..
11:38<panv>thank you very much
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11:41<llutz>s4br3: it is
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11:42<s4br3>llutz, thanks. How would I identify the culprit software?
11:42<Yoda-BZH`Wk>s4br3 32bits systems can only address ~3.4GB, use -bigmem to see all your ram
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11:42<burun0>pawel: there's a base files package in /pool/main/b/base-files in debian dvd
11:42<llutz>s4br3: it's a kernel-limitation
11:42<llutz>s4br3: you'll need 64Bit or 32Bit-Kernel + PAE
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11:43<Yoda-BZH`Wk>(-bigmem kernel*)
11:43<s4br3>Yoda-BZH`Wk, is the -bigmem a boot option? I have the 64-bit kernel
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11:45<s4br3>There are no hits on bigmem
11:46<llutz>for example
11:46<petern>bigmem is only needed for > 4GB
11:47<ml>llutz: aptitude search image
11:48<llutz>ml: tell it s4br3
11:48<ml>llutz: right sorry
11:48<Yoda-BZH`Wk>hmm, with a linux-image-2.6-i686 I wasn't able to see my 4GB RAM, linux-image-2.6-i686-bigmem I was able to see the full size
11:48<ml>s4br3: aptitude search image
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11:49<petern>maybe it depends on how the bios lays out the memory
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11:50<zxxd>what's the equivalent of the group wheel in debian ? adm or staff?
11:51<petemc>adm is for logs
11:51<petemc>im not sure there us an equivalent
11:52<zxxd>petemc do you have that group?
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11:53<s4br3>aptitude search bigmem returns nothing
11:53<petemc>wheel? no
11:53<ml>s4br3: aptitude search image
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11:54<prahal>zxxd: none . wheel is so close to root
11:54<llutz>aptitude search bigmem|wc -l returns 85
11:54<Yoda-BZH`Wk>s4br3 grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep -v '#'
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11:54<stew>zxxd: none by default, it can be set up if you desire it though, /msg dpkg wheel
11:54<s4br3>aptitude search image returns a lot, including the one I run now: i linux-image-2.6-amd64 - Linux 2.6 image on AMD64
11:55<prahal>sudo provides a way to implement this group
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11:55<s4br3>Yoda-BZH`Wk, that returns nothing
11:55<ml>s4br3: look thru the list it's there
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11:57<s4br3>ml, I have 12 different which start with linux-image, but none of them have bigmem
11:58<ml>i linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
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11:58<s4br3>my source is "deb unstable main non-free contrib"
11:58<ml>p linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4p linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
11:58<prahal>but this is amd64 isn't it supposed to support big addressing by default
11:59<prahal>and it may well be that the mad64 repo does not ship 32 bits bigmem kernels
11:59<s4br3>prahal, That is why I got a 64-bit kernel.
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12:00<ml>s4br3: did you check what your bios shows?
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12:00<prahal>yep the bigmem kernel are only available for i386 from
12:01<ml>s4br3: might a limitation of your bios
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12:02<s4br3>ml, It is a less-than-a-year ASUS P5KPL motherboard with an Intel E8400 core2duo (not Q6600 as I wrote before)
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12:04<Yoda-BZH`Wk>errrr, my fault, effectively -bigmem series are only for x86 -_-'
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12:06<Nava2>any one help me how to add swap after installed hardy without using partition editor
12:06<squelos>hi all
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12:07<ml>s4br3: I understand but check what your bios is showing, maybe test the memory
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12:08<squelos>i was wondering, can i configure privoxy somehow ?
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12:08<s4br3>ml. I need to reboot then
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12:14<gsimmons>squelos: Yes, via the configuration files in /etc/privoxy/ . You would want to read its man page and user manual.
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12:15<squelos>ok thanks :) Its coz im new to linux. And, does privoxy and tor just work for surfing on the net ?
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12:17<valdyn>squelos: privoxy is a http proxy, that kind of limits its functionality to the web
12:17<valdyn>squelos: while tor is for tcp traffic, which includes many things, but not all
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12:19<prahal>hum max mem 4Go .. maybe it is not really supporting exactly 4Go
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12:20<s4br3>hmmmm... In BIOS: "System Usable Size : 3584MB".
12:20<ml>s4br3: maybe a bios update?
12:20<prahal>s4br3: also seems G31 intel chipset only support 4Go address space (not really 4Go memory as the previous link tell 512 Mo could well be taken by your video card
12:21<prahal>is this a G31 or G33 ?
12:21<ml>onboard video, could be using some of the missing memory also
12:22<s4br3>Hmmm. That would make sense as I have an nVidia 8800GT 512MB
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12:23<prahal>stupid marketing ... tell 4Go support ... well only without video card :-(
12:24<ml>wow that sucks
12:24<prahal>cause I believe the remaining memory is not used , only the address space is already taken
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12:26<squelos>and btw, does anyone remember how can you calculate the number of gigs supported by a 32bits sys ?
12:26<s4br3>Here is another description -
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12:27<s4br3>squelos, 2³²
12:27<squelos>is it just 2²32 ?
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12:27<squelos>im french, so my english aint too good.
12:28<squelos>but,someone told me how to calculate how much memory a 32 byte systeme can support
12:28<squelos>i think its 2²32
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12:29<s4br3>Actually 3(2^32)/4, with a hardware workaround since lately
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12:30<s4br3>Originally it was (2^32)/2
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12:31<prahal>s4br3: so this is a G31 see previous link which tells it is in fact 4Go addressing space, not 4Go memory (the addressing space behing shared between mainboard memory and pci devices thus the video card memory takes its share
12:32<squelos>so i would be less than 3.2gigs, because you have some memory in your graphics card
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12:34<s4br3>How would I determine if I have an Intel G31 or G33 chipset in my mb?
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12:35<adb>apt-cache show dmidecode
12:35<ml>s4br3: you could look at the pcb for a marking
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12:35<ml>yes dmicode works too ;)
12:35<s4br3>ml, pcb?
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12:36<ml>s4br3: the motherboard
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12:37<ml>but try what adb suggested
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12:39<ml>s4br3: # dmidecode | less
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12:43<Lethias>Is there an effecient way of removing kde from lenny? It ended up being installed due to a program i wanted to try.
12:43<cahoot>!remove kde
12:43<dpkg>remove kde is, like, aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data
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12:43<Lethias>thanks cahoot
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12:44<s4br3>dmidecode | more gives: "Memory Controller Information: Maximum Memory Module Size: 2048 MB, Maximum Total Memory Size: 8192 MB" etc. So, it should work
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12:47<prahal>no indication of the chipset name ? I don't know how much dmidecode can be trusted . Those are data shipped by the manifacturer in rom ... may not be as trustable than knowing the chipset name and double checking
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12:48<prahal>if it is an AM/PS as in it definitely is a G31 as told in the article
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12:55<elops>Hi all I have a SATA HDD which has failed from a MS OS when I boot Knoppix live using noideraid it hangs and will not boot, if i disconnect the faulty hdd it boots up fine and then connect the faulty SATA and run partit (think that is what it was called for partitioning HDD's) partit sees the hdd and reports it has a partition with NTFS filesystem, my question is how can I then mount this drive so I can recover the files from it to another HDD in
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12:56<elops>is there a util in Linux that will iterigate the drive sector by sector and recover what it can ? I have one in windows that is excellent but windows just hangs as soon as you try anything with the drive
12:57<prahal>yes there is
12:57<prahal>a min
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12:59<prahal>maybe "testdisk" can fix the partition . To try after having backed up what you can via scrounge-ntfs
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13:01<s4br3>prahal, no there was no name. I will reboot to check the BIOS again.
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13:37<s4br3>Hi, I enabled something in BIOS, and increased the available memory from 3.4 to 3.9GB!
13:38<ml>s4br3: congrats :) what did enble btw?
13:39<ml>!tell smile about ask
13:39<s4br3>something like "shared memory" or "mapped memory". Don't remember the word
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13:44<Guest985>hmm, no flash sound in gnome on lenny , suggestions?
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13:44<seven__>tried to find flash non free through synaptic but couldnt find it, if that would have helped
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13:44<nEtZaRiM>Shalom to all
13:45<nEtZaRiM>Is anybody here willing and got the time to help me out? I got some questions about
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13:46<s4br3>cya. thanks for the help!
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13:46<nEtZaRiM>I added the link as I was recommended to on the debian multimedia web site
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13:46<nEtZaRiM>But I get an error say the package can't be authenticated?
13:47<nEtZaRiM>I'm guessing this is because it it "Official from Debian"/
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13:47<nEtZaRiM>meant to say "aint official" fault
13:47<petern>if you go back to the web page, it'll tell you how to solve that
13:47<nEtZaRiM>Ok appreciate it
13:48<ml>nEtZaRiM: did you install the debian-multimedia-keyring
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13:48<erpos>ahoj,je tu nekdo?
13:48<nEtZaRiM>I haven't installed anything debian multimeda yet....I do add the "link as I was told by the web site instructions" though
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13:49<nEtZaRiM>did add*
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13:49<erpos>kdo je debian?
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13:49<stuckey>Hello, I'm trying to mount a usb drive and it isn't showing up in dmesg. How do I mount it?
13:49<ml>seven__: did you enable
13:49<noflash>erpos, english here
13:50<erpos>ja ale moc anglicky neumim
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13:50<ml>nEtZaRiM: you need to instal that and that error will go away
13:50<nEtZaRiM>Yeah I aint download the key ring cause it say it's unsafe
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13:50<erpos>neni tady nekdo mluvici cesky
13:51<dpkg>from memory, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
13:51<seven__>ml, just checked the settings from epiphany, and the 'non-free' repositories aren't enabled, is that what you were talking about ?
13:52<seven__>synaptic that is
13:52<nEtZaRiM>Why would debian say "it's not safe" possibility that it could crash my system and cause others to "Hack It Up" basically what the message means when one clicks to download the "keyring"
13:53<ml>nEtZaRiM: debian-multimedia is not official repo
13:53<ml>but it is safe as asI know
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13:53<nEtZaRiM>So that's it anytime something aint "Offical" it's gonna default me to that message?
13:53<erpos>jak se muzu dostat na debian-CZ
13:53<petern>it's a general warning
13:53<nEtZaRiM>I understand then....appreciate it bro...
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13:55<stuckey>Anyone know how to mount a flash drive in debian?
13:55<stuckey>It's one of those ones on a usb stick.
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13:55<erpos>i dont speak english
13:55<adb>even an official debian repo "it's not safe" without debian-keyring
13:55<cahoot>i principle like any disk
13:55<adb>nEtZaRiM: ^^^
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13:56<ml>seven__: this what I have in my sources.list ...
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13:57<seven__>u sure I need those for :
13:58<seven__>system:/media/IPRO-DISK/mp3# cat /etc/debian_version
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13:58<ml>you are using testing
13:59<nEtZaRiM>Before I go decide to do this, has any of yall had some "negative" issues after installing the "packages from debian-multimedia"?
13:59<seven__>so i should do 'deb <url> testing' right ?
13:59<ml>nEtZaRiM: no, go right ahead
13:59<nEtZaRiM>Appreciate it
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13:59<ml>seven__: reading what you there now
14:00<ml>it should be testing
14:00<erpos_>mluvi tu nekdo cesky
14:00<seven__>okay, ty for the help. ill go ahead :)
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14:01<seven__>seems i screwed up the syntax of the repo line
14:02<seven__>now synaptic doesn't want to start anymore ;p
14:02<ml>just re-edit it
14:02<seven__>sources.list is in /etc i presume ?
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14:02<ml>seven__: /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:08<seven__>kay, fixed that, downloading the new sources now
14:08<seven__>i just need the non-free flash package right?
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14:10<Cadmium02>how can I manage hashed known hosts file?
14:10<stew>Cadmium02: what do you mean by manage?
14:10<Cadmium02>stew, know which line is which, remove the right one when server fingerrprint changes etc...
14:11<stew>Cadmium02: "ssh-keygen -R hostname" to remove an entry
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14:11<seven__>ty ml , fixed the problem :)
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14:13<Cadmium02>stew thanks
14:13<seven__>okay, next issue, dualhead
14:13<seven__>i've already managed to get that working with nvidia-settings
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14:13<seven__>but I want to be able to drag windows from one screen to another
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14:13<seven__>and now i have like, 2 separate screens
14:13<nEtZaRiM>I got another question now. I downloaded the "keyring" and ran the command as "root" like I'm suppose too, but it said nothing was changed?
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14:14<nEtZaRiM>Added the "one up the update links/reops to source list" to see if it was still gonna take and nothing?
14:14<LiCeT>hi all
14:15<nEtZaRiM>Meant to say ( I added one of the update link/repos to source list)*
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14:15<ml>nEtZaRiM: what did you add?
14:15<nEtZaRiM>deb oldstable main
14:15<LiCeT>can somebody help me get my scanner "canoscan n640p" work?
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14:16<nEtZaRiM>I just figured it OUT...I should GO KNOCK MY SELF OUT
14:16<ml>nEtZaRiM: ;0
14:16<nEtZaRiM>Would helped if I added the "CORRECT" one
14:16<Cadmium02>is it possible to cat a file without word wrap?
14:17<stew>Cadmium02: cat does alter the file at all
14:17<nEtZaRiM>deb stable main ;)
14:17<nEtZaRiM>Let's see what happends now
14:17*ml crosses fingers
14:18<Cadmium02>stew, it displays line on next line if it does not fit on screen, I dont want it to show me rest of the line on next line
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14:18<Cadmium02>it thats possible
14:18<stew>Cadmium02: what is "it"
14:18<Cadmium02>cat known_hosts for example
14:18<Cadmium02>it displays keys on several lines when key does not fit in width on screen
14:18<stew>Cadmium02: which terminal emulator are you using?
14:19<Cadmium02>bash, gnome terminal
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14:20<stew>Cadmium02: well i suppose an easy way would be to figure out how many characters wide your terminal is and use cut to cut the lines short
14:20<stew>Cadmium02: like "cut -c -80 < filename"
14:20<stew>Cadmium02: err "cut -c -$COLUMNS < filename" should work
14:21<Cadmium02>stew, interesting, will try
14:21<petern>i was too slow, just about to say use cut :/
14:21<petern>but you don't need the < :)
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14:22<nEtZaRiM>Even after adding them updates "myspace music" still don't come through like it should?
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14:22<ludovico>Ciao a tutti
14:22<ludovico>ho un problema
14:22<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
14:22<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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14:23<Cadmium02>stew, nice soltion, works even after resizing terminal :)
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14:26<nEtZaRiM>How would I go about uninstalling "all the updates" that came through and uninstalling that "keyring" cause it aint help nothing
14:26<nEtZaRiM>I'm still getting the same issues
14:26<ml>nEtZaRiM: what issues?
14:27<nEtZaRiM>Youtube don't play "correctly/constantly freezing up" and "myspace music dosen't come trhough"?
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14:28<adb>nEtZaRiM: using ubuntu ?
14:28<nEtZaRiM>Kinda got me back at square one....but would rather have "Orginial Default Stable System" than have "Unofficial Packages"
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14:28<nEtZaRiM>Using "Debian 5.0 Lenny Stable
14:28<ml>nEtZaRiM: you need to install flashplayer-mozilla
14:28<nEtZaRiM>Should the updates have "grabbed that"?
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14:29<nEtZaRiM>Or what were they for..?
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14:29<ml>what updates, you just added multimedia repo
14:30<nEtZaRiM>All 12 that it allowed me to...I didn't write them down though
14:30<junior_>pq esta e engles
14:30<nEtZaRiM>I knew I should have
14:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:30<junior_>como fasso pra colocar em portuques
14:30<ml>nEtZaRiM: install flashplayer-mozilla
14:30<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:31<nEtZaRiM>You got a link of how I would "correctly install it" I'm still learning
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14:31<ml>tell nEtZaRiM -about aptitude
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14:32<nEtZaRiM>and not that good at "compiling from source or installing in linux"
14:32<ml>nEtZaRiM: aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
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14:33<ml>tell nEtZaRiM about aptitude
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14:33<ml>!tell nEtZaRiM -about aptitude
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14:34<adb>ml: seen his sources ?
14:34<nEtZaRiM>Says the packages are BROKEN.....just more this a good one today
14:34<nEtZaRiM>ha ha ha lol
14:34<nEtZaRiM>I finally pulled the other off at debian I guess I aint doing too bad
14:34<ml>adb: no but he did add multimedia
14:35<adb>i'll take a look at ...
14:35<nEtZaRiM>how would I do a past bin you could look at this code in the terminal
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14:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:36<debacle>Hi, I've installed clan and every time i run /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon restart i got this message "This version of the ClamAV engine is outdated." is this normal ?
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14:37<debacle>sorry for typo i've installed Clam
14:37<dr|z3d>debacle: Running freshclam?
14:37<nEtZaRiM>If anyone cares to help out and glance here it is
14:38<nEtZaRiM>I think I did that correct
14:38<debacle>dr|z3d: freshclam gives no error
14:38<prahal>nEtZaRiM: running pulseaudio ? sorry I don't know if this went in stable
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14:38<debacle>dr|z3d: so the datbase seems to be updated. is an Engine problem here !
14:38<prahal>nEtZaRiM: flashplugin-nonfree that is
14:39<nEtZaRiM>Score is -9881
14:39<nEtZaRiM>Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] ^C
14:39<nEtZaRiM>That was the last two lines after I ran the "aptitude command for flashplayer-mozilla"
14:40<ml>nEtZaRiM: are you on 64bit install
14:40<adb>why ?
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14:41<nEtZaRiM>That's what my "terminal actually looks like" I'm not sure if I say yes to this though if it's gonna work?
14:41<petern>just live without flash
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14:42<nEtZaRiM>My comp is "Amd 64 Dual core"....
14:43<prahal>nEtZaRiM: install flashplugin-nonfree not flashplayer-mozilla
14:43<petern>i installed it the other day on 64 bit
14:43<petern>unfortunately i cannot remember how :(
14:43<petern>(and that machine is out of action)
14:43<nEtZaRiM>I was just told to install (flashplayer-mozilla)?
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14:44<prahal>this one is not shipped by debian but by debian-multimedia . Don't know if it still is maintained . Been a long time it is duplicated effort
14:44<nEtZaRiM>Now I'm suppose to be installing flashpluing-nonfree?
14:45<nEtZaRiM>Flash is already "installed" but it don't work correctly...makes no sense
14:46<petern>you can get an open source 'compatible' plugin easily, but they don't work too well with most things unfortunately
14:47<petern>the genuine plugin is 32bit only, so extra hoops are needed to make it work
14:47<ml>nEtZaRiM: just accept aptitude actions at worst flash won't work, but you have no problems
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14:49<Kilerhageman>How do I install SSL? apt-get install ssl?
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14:49<adama>Kilerhageman: openssl
14:49<ml>Kilerhageman: openssl
14:49<prahal>I cannot tell much about how to set it up under amd64 . you could give a shot at mozilla-plugin-gnash it looks to me as a good free version (not complete far from it ).
14:50<prahal>and it is available for amd64 natively
14:51<M4sl0>can anyone help me with getty ?
14:52<prahal>M4sl0: yes
14:52<M4sl0>i had problem when i set baud_speed to 460800bps
14:52<nEtZaRiM>Okay appreciate the help yall
14:53<nEtZaRiM>Gonna have to logout and come back in something happend when I was in terminal and can't figure it out
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14:53<debacle>Sory again. None has fixed ClamAV engine problem ?
14:53<nEtZaRiM>Was gonna try what ml said and just accept aptitude's commands
14:53<M4sl0>using RS232 to USB and when i type getty -h -t 60 ttyUSB0 460800 vt100 getty after five seconds exits
14:53<prahal>M4sl0: as a dialin or tty line ?
14:53<nEtZaRiM>Now terminal is saying another "process" or something has it "locked up"
14:54<M4sl0>tty line, sorry i forgot to type here -L
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14:54<ml>nEtZaRiM: is the first terminal still running aptitude
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14:54<adb>rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
14:55<adb>as root ...
14:55<nEtZaRiM>I typed "exit" and it took me to "colored terminal" that I could operate with a mouse....But I closed them all out
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14:55<nEtZaRiM>Don't know why it keeps "blocking me" only thing I know do is "Log Out" and "Log In"
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14:57<pawel>is there any way to update etch to lenny?
14:58<petern>see topic
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14:59<bernardo>How can I configure wpasupplicant to connect to a generic public wireless nework, like a cybercafe or an airport ?
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15:00<nEtZaRiM>Same problem sucks being ignorant when you really don't want to be
15:00<nEtZaRiM>ha ha lol
15:00<nEtZaRiM>Log out aint fix it either
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15:00<nEtZaRiM>I pulled another good
15:01<ml>nEtZaRiM: 14:53 < adb> rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
15:01<ml>14:54 < adb> as root ..
15:02<prahal>M4sl0: could it be that the line is already opened ? lsof -l /dev/ttyUSB0
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15:03<pawel>ok I want to install newest Debian in this ->
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15:03<prahal>bernardo: the easiest is to use network-manager for such use . or wicd .
15:03<Cadmium02>I have configured local and remote servers properly to be able to connect to remote server from local using ssh and keys
15:04<pawel>but there is only etch version
15:04<Cadmium02>but it is still asking me for ssh pass instead of key passphrase
15:04<nEtZaRiM>Man I must have really "Jakced" something up...ha ha ha lol
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15:04<nEtZaRiM>Someone care to look at a paste bin and trying to help
15:04<M4sl0>praha1: no, it isn't. getty allows me to connect only with baud 230400. when I tested it on 460800 worked all fine, but getty won't work
15:05<ml>nEtZaRiM: you can also use the 64bit version of flash ....
15:05<Cadmium02>ssh -v remote debgging showed that /home/user/.ssh/identity and /home/ser/id_dsa are checked bt not id_rsa
15:05<bernardo>prahal: network-manager works with wpa encryption?
15:05<Cadmium02>What can I do?
15:05<ml>nEtZaRiM: what happened?
15:05<prahal>bernardo: it is wpasupplicant underneath so yes
15:05<nEtZaRiM>Well to be honest I can't get "nothing" done now
15:05<nEtZaRiM>Something is "Locked" up
15:06<nEtZaRiM>I ran the command you gave me and it started to work
15:06<ml>aptitude won't run?
15:06<nEtZaRiM>I would have to paste
15:06<nEtZaRiM>Hard to explain
15:06<nEtZaRiM>You got that pastebin link
15:06<pawel>I want to install newest Debian in this -> but there is only etch version. Can I use files from /pool/main/b/base-files instead of these from tar?
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15:07<ml>!tell nEtZaRiM -about paste
15:07<bernardo>prahal: how can I set network-manager to initializes in the startup?
15:07<ml>nEtZaRiM: read msg fromdpkg
15:07<Kilerhageman>How can I delete a directory without removing all the files and submaps in it?
15:08<Kilerhageman>Because it got like 100's of them inside
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15:09<prahal>have to go . bernardo it is automatic . You just need not have the interface you want network manager to control be defined in /etc/network/interfaces
15:09<M4sl0>prahal: oh, sorry i forget to describe the device on I am communicating: it's aten uc-232 wich uses usbserial, pl2303 modules, limit of baud is 480600 bps, but it can operate with higher settings in windozer (1mbps), at other computer is another USB dongle on windozer with PuTTy wich support speed up to 1mbps
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15:09<nEtZaRiM>If anyone is upto the challenge
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15:10<nEtZaRiM>If not hopefully "Shutdown" will it fix it...ha ha ha lol
15:10<bernardo>prahal: but it's not automatic here... and the interface is defined
15:10<ml>nEtZaRiM: Could not lock the cache file; this usually means that dpkg or another apt tool is already installing packages. Opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages will NOT be preserved!
15:11<nEtZaRiM>So how would I fix it?
15:11<ml>nEtZaRiM: you have another instance of aptitude running
15:11<nEtZaRiM>I mean I done logged out and er thing
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15:11<nEtZaRiM>I have no other terminals running or nothing
15:11<ml>did you try what adb suggested?
15:12<adb>yes he done
15:12<nEtZaRiM>I typed that commad
15:12<cahoot>a stale lockfile ?
15:12<ml>cahoot: yes nEtZaRiM does
15:13<nEtZaRiM>If no one here know I'm hoping shutdown will fix it
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15:13<pawel>I want to install newest Debian in this -> but there is only etch version. Can I use files from /pool/main/b/base-files instead of these from tar?
15:13<ml>nEtZaRiM: a reboot wil fix it
15:13<nEtZaRiM>Well I'm just gonna reboot then
15:13<nEtZaRiM>Appreciate yalls help
15:14<nEtZaRiM>YHWH Bless
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15:15<Kilerhageman>How can I delete a directory without removing all the files and submaps in it?
15:15<Kilerhageman>Because it got like 100's of them inside
15:15<prahal>M4sl0: I believe this is due to using vt100 . It may not be capable of supporting higher rates than 230400
15:16<stew>Kilerhageman: "rm -r directory" will remove a directory and its contents
15:16<M4sl0>prahal: thanks
15:16<Kilerhageman>Thanks stew :)
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15:16<M4sl0>prahal: and what alternative i should use please ?
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15:17<M4sl0>prahal: i tried vt400, ansi without success
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15:18<bernardo>how can I configure network-manager???
15:19<ml>nEtZaRiM: you can also use the 64bit version of flash ....
15:20<M4sl0>bernardo: somewhere .gconf/system/networking/wireless/networks/
15:20<adb>cat /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
15:22<leonardo_>Hi all, I have a problem on a page and I think it's related to flash plugin
15:22<leonardo_>I use Debian Lenny 64
15:23<leonardo_>On Wikimapia page if you click on a polygon with right buttom you see menu options
15:25<leonardo_>click on any polygon with right buttom
15:25<nEtZaRiM>Wish I knew I would for sure try and help
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15:25<nEtZaRiM>I'm having issues as well
15:25<leonardo_>which ones?
15:25<nEtZaRiM>I'm on amd 64 too
15:26<nEtZaRiM>Youtbe and myspace music don't work correctly
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15:26<nEtZaRiM>Seems to be "flash related"
15:26<nEtZaRiM>If i'm not mistaken
15:26<leonardo_>my problem is that if i move between menus
15:26<leonardo_>the place that i clicked with right bottom
15:27<leonardo_>is diselected
15:27<nEtZaRiM>I followed the steps at "" hoping it would fix it...but same issues if after correctly least thats my experience on this toshiba laptopi
15:27<nEtZaRiM>Yeah I aint having that issue
15:28<nEtZaRiM>ml I donwloaded 64 bit version of flash...
15:29<nEtZaRiM>Is there any install instructions or would I just use the same command aptitude?
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15:30<Kilerhageman>How do i copy a dir to an another dir?
15:30<ml>nEtZaRiM: untar the file you donwloaded ... tar xvfz
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15:31<ml>nEtZaRiM: mv to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ as root
15:31<ml>nEtZaRiM: what flashplayer where you using before?
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15:32<ml>Kilerhageman: cp -r
15:32<stew>nEtZaRiM: is there a reason you are downloading the flash plugin yourself instead of using the flashpluign-nonfree package?
15:32<ml>stew: native 64bit
15:32<stew>ml: yes
15:33<lynko>Kilerhageman: And if you want to copy only the content I think you can do: cp -r dir/* anotherdir/
15:33<ml>stew: yes?
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15:34<stew>ml: is there a reason he is downloading the flash plugin from adobe instead of using the flashpluin-nonfree package which downloads and installs the native 64bit plugin for him?
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15:37<stew>nEtZaRiM: i'd recommend just installing the flashplugin-nonfree package from the contrib section of (/msg dpkg bpo) ; it will take care of this (and future upgrades) for you
15:38<ml>stew: I was just trying to help him, I'm not on 64bit and did not know that nonfree was now available is 64 bit
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15:39<trg>anyone know if i can install Debian on an intel imac to replace osx?
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15:41<nEtZaRiM>How would I go through and uninstall my "currectly installed flashplugin/plugins
15:42<nEtZaRiM>Cause you try this out:
15:42<ml>nEtZaRiM: with aptitude, if you know how you installed it
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15:43<nEtZaRiM>Cause this is what the above websites says: Important: All users should uninstall any currently installed Flash Player before installing the latest prerelease.
15:43<ml>nEtZaRiM: yes you should
15:44<valdyn>nEtZaRiM: its bollocks
15:44<nEtZaRiM>I mean I don't know what "flashplayer I'm currently running or how to find out that info"?
15:44<valdyn>nEtZaRiM: use debian packages
15:44<valdyn>nEtZaRiM: we cannot really support 3rd party stuff
15:44<nEtZaRiM>So would be hard to use "Synpatic" cause I don't know what I'm lookin for
15:45<valdyn>nEtZaRiM: for flash
15:45<valdyn>nEtZaRiM: stew already told you
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15:48<nEtZaRiM>So what I'm currently runnings is "bollocks"?
15:48<bernardo>how can I make debian recognize my touchpad?
15:49<ml>nEtZaRiM: they are just suggesting you use flashplugin-nonfree instead
15:49<dpkg>i heard touchpad is Touchpads are usually PS/2, set them up in X on /dev/psaux, proto IMPS/2, or ask about <synaptics>
15:49<nEtZaRiM>Ahhh I see
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15:50<ml>!tell nEtZaRiM -about bpo
15:50<dpkg>hmm... synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see Does not support auto-configuration.
15:51<adb>bernardo: use >> /msg dpkg synaptics
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15:51<prahal>M4sl0: oups I misunderstood the doc previously shows what should eb shown in the dmesg output for to check if high speed support is enabled on the kernel side. and how to set the tty* line via setserial to this speed
15:52<prahal>I have not found any table of maximum baud per vt type . I am not confident they matter
15:53<zedboy>where did i get /usr/bin/X11/lame ?!
15:53<zedboy>dpkg: /usr/bin/X11/lame not found.
15:53<dpkg>zedboy: are you smoking crack?
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15:53<zedboy>dpkg: yes.
15:53<dpkg>yes. is, like, it too early to make a package ?
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15:54<hustla>hello peoples'
15:54<adb>!ell zedboy about lame
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15:54<adb>!tell zedboy about lame
15:54<zedboy>adb: shoulda known that
15:55<dpkg>hello, zumbi
15:55<zumbi>do you know if there is a place to talk about licenses ?
15:55<koollman>hell ? :)
15:55<zedboy>zumbi: the DMV?
15:55<hustla>damn yall are FREAKS
15:55<zumbi>DMV? what is it?
15:56<hustla>am i invisible or something/?
15:56<zedboy>hustla: or just being ignored.
15:56<zumbi>I do not know if there is a problem hosting Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 content in debian ? (it is not distributed within the distro)
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15:57<hustla>seen...iight am sorry iight
15:57<hustla>i wanna ask something tho
15:57<hustla>yall are using linux right
15:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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15:57<hustla>ok ok
15:58<hustla>i wanna set up microsoft office on linux....using wine
15:58<hustla>any assistance please
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15:58<prahal>hustla: ms office 2003 or 2007 ?
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15:58<hustla>two thousand and seven
15:59<hustla>sorry my numeric keys not working
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15:59<zedboy>hmm, my debian-archive-keyring is up to date but I'm still getting "can't be authenticated" errors.
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15:59<valdyn>!fgi hustla install+microsoft+office+wine
15:59<clam>what was that all again?
15:59<trg>anyone know if i can install Debian on an intel imac to replace osx?
16:00<clam>my terminal was messing up because i started xchat from it
16:00<clam>and wouldnt run the cat command
16:00<prahal>because 2007 is not supported under wine . is what you are looking after if you don't want to spend hours hacking weird stuff to end up with something that sometimes work sometimes don't
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16:01<clam>i wil be back. i gotta get lunch im hungry
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16:01<valdyn>prahal: intructions are easy and straightforward
16:01<valdyn>prahal: for 2007
16:01<prahal>hum ... I may not be up to date so
16:01<valdyn>prahal: yea, this is a month old or two
16:01<prahal>promise I don't work for codeweavers though I heavely use crossover
16:03<hustla>can anyone gain access to my pc and do this thing for mee?
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16:03<valdyn>hustla: you need for pay support for that
16:03<valdyn>hustla: we would just turn your box into a spam bot
16:04<hustla>ok ok
16:04<hustla>jus please help me out
16:04<valdyn>hustla: go google as i told you
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16:04<hustla>yh i got up to the point where it was goin to install but some error came up with d setup
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16:05<valdyn>hustla: are you running debian?
16:05<hustla>i dont even kno what the hell is debian
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16:06<zedboy>hustla: so why are you bothering everyone here?
16:06<valdyn>hustla: this is a support channel for debian specifically, we dont get paid
16:06<hustla>am running xubuntu
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16:07<stew>hustla: please go to #xubuntu or #ubuntu on for help with xubuntu
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16:11<hustla>ok about to download debian.......i see a whole bunch of choices...which one is d better on?
16:11<dondelelcaro>hustla: start with stable; pick whatever architecture you have
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16:16<LiCeT>how can i unrar *.r00 *.r01 and so on?
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16:17<dondelelcaro>LiCeT: for a in *.r*; do unrar $a; done; or similar
16:17<dondelelcaro>LiCeT: see also find and xargs
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16:19<skysober>lo all.... I have a screwed upgrade from etch to lenny. Installing new version of config file /etc/default/useradd ...
16:19<skysober>(Reading database ... 65431 files and directories currently installed.)
16:19<skysober>Preparing to replace libuuid1 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 (using .../libuuid1_1.41.3-1_i386.deb) ...
16:19<skysober>Unpacking replacement libuuid1 ...
16:19<skysober>Setting up libuuid1 (1.41.3-1) ...
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16:20<hustla>what was that all abou??
16:20<skysober>oops.. didn't like that copy/paste
16:20<dondelelcaro>skysober: paste the complete output, including the command that you ran using a paste site
16:20<skysober>I have my server locked.. upgrade from etch to lenny...
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16:22<prahal>skysober: did you ran it through aptitude ?
16:23<prahal>sorry cannot see talkitup . No account
16:23<skysober>yes .. eta
16:23<valdyn>lynko: unrar file.rar
16:23<valdyn>lynko: nothing fancy needed
16:23<valdyn>LiCeT: ^^
16:24<valdyn>dondelelcaro: that would fill his disk
16:24<valdyn>dondelelcaro: or overwrite 100 times )
16:24<LiCeT>the files are called *.r00 .r01 .r02
16:24<LiCeT>and so on :(
16:24<skysober>and right now my server is in 'hold' as I am afraid to do anything
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16:24<prahal>error is : Could not connect to database ...
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16:24<valdyn>LiCeT: pick any, run "unrar file.r00"
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16:25<valdyn>LiCeT: it finds pieces automagically
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16:25<skysober>I have had that in other things once in awhile... even in a regualr comand line...
16:25<prahal>for those who may know what this means (I believe this is debconf db though I never experience this)
16:25<acxty>Hi guys, is root-portal available for lenny?
16:25<valdyn>LiCeT: though usually the first one is .rar, 2nd one .r00 or somesuch
16:25<prahal>oh regular command line too ... is pam using custom things (ldap, ...)
16:25<LiCeT>yeah i know :D
16:25<adb>!tell acxty about search
16:25<LiCeT>but it wont work
16:25<dondelelcaro>skysober: and that's the entireity of the output? eventually dpkg should fail
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16:25<skysober>well the server people screwed up the server when they installed the email part.. it has never worked right. I was hoping an upgrade woulod fix it
16:26<LiCeT>geht me the help all the time
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16:26<valdyn>LiCeT: why wont it work?
16:26<dentifrice>hey there
16:26<dentifrice>I have a remote machine that won't reboot after a segfault running /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart (with NFSv4); I tried reboot -f, shutdown -r 0, to no avail
16:26<LiCeT>i get the unrar help when executing the command you told me
16:26<dentifrice>how can I possibly force the machine to reboot?
16:26<valdyn>LiCeT: which command precisely is giving which (wrong) output precisely
16:27<dondelelcaro>skysober: but anyway, we need the full output, including the command, and up to when dpkg fails with an error and returns you to a prompt
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16:27<LiCeT>no "wrong" output
16:27<LiCeT>just the unrar help
16:27<prahal>skysober: dpkg -l libpam*
16:27<valdyn>LiCeT: geez
16:27<skysober>@prahil It's locked.... I have no prompt
16:27<valdyn>LiCeT: i cant ask more precisely
16:27<dondelelcaro>skysober: is it just repeating that output continuously?
16:27<valdyn>LiCeT: and i just need what i asked for
16:28<skysober>did 3 times and froze
16:28<adama>I have a box with Lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 I am going to put in 8GB of RAM - will I need to upgrade the kernel or anything?
16:28<dondelelcaro>skysober: can you log into the machine still?
16:28<dondelelcaro>adama: what type of machine is that?
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16:29<LiCeT>unrar file.r00 --> unrar help
16:29<LiCeT>thats it
16:29<skysober>still logged in right now - using secureCRT to get in (like putty, but more)
16:29<adama>dondelelcaro: umm a server?
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16:29<valdyn>LiCeT: "unrar x file.r00"
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16:29<skysober>but I didn't want to ctrl x or anything
16:29<dondelelcaro>adama: is it an i386 machine? an amd64 machine?
16:29<skysober>and my sites are still online but I hve not reboot or anything.. didn't get that far
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16:30<adama>AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+
16:30<dondelelcaro>skysober: log in with a different terminal, and see what is going on
16:30<prahal>skysober: could you try opening another session in paralell
16:30<skysober>okay, logged in with a new session... now what to type?
16:30<valdyn>adama: you need a 64-bit kernel or a highmem64 kernel, which i dont know if debian ships at all
16:30<LiCeT>thats it...thx mate :)
16:31<dpkg>-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit.
16:31<valdyn>adama: there ^ ^
16:31<zedboy>adama: but you should be running a 64bit kernel
16:31<dondelelcaro>adama: you want the amd64 kernel, actually
16:31<lynko>dentifrice: see this page, what you are looking is probably Alt-SysRq-S (sync filesystem) Alt-SysRq-U (remount ro) Alt-SysRq-B (reboot), if you want more information search for "magic sysrq key" on google (SysRq is usually Print Screen)
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16:31<adama>ok... such as?
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16:31<prahal>this really looks like an /etc/pam.d/common-session setup issue
16:32<prahal>could you look in this file if you see anything db related ? ldap, mysql , dbd
16:32<skysober>prahal would you like access to take a look?
16:32<dentifrice>lynko: thanks
16:32<dentifrice>lynko: is it included in debian kernels by default?
16:33<acxty>I have a problem after updating to lenny, sometimes xserver suddenly crash and need to restart the computer so it work again. I had been searching on the web for an answer but didn't find anything. May someone guide me with that?
16:33<lynko>dentifrice: yes, as far as i know
16:33<adama>will this work: linux-image-2.6-amd64
16:33<zedboy>adama: ya
16:33<adama>But 64-bit support for programs is not so good correct?
16:34<adama>I want to run Steam servers (l4d, CS etc)
16:34<adama>will it work on 64 bit kernel?
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16:36<dentifrice>lynko: thanks, it worked!!
16:36<lynko>dentifrice: :)
16:37<valdyn>adama: this does not break your current programs at all
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16:38<adama>valdyn: ok, thanks
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16:39<petern>it'll give you a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit userland
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16:39<petern>or something like that
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16:39<adama>that sounds good, as long as I get all my ram
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16:40<acxty>Sometimes xserver crash 4 times in a row after updating to lenny, had someone have that problem before?
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16:43<bobrox>i'm trying to compile a kernel, but y have an error, may somebody can take a look at kernel 2.6.26 with xen 3.2 patch
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16:45<Nazcafan>am I the only one having a segfault when trying to launch gnome-settings-daemon on squeeze ?
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16:50<tanjix>hi together... can i force the install of a package using dpkg when it returns an error?
16:50<tanjix>this is the error:
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16:51<clam>i get segfaults no matter what i do on xbmc
16:51<clam>but i think its because the videocard is not working the way it should
16:51<clam>and im having a heck of a time trying to get it to initilize
16:51<clam>drivers say they install
16:52<clam>but i cant change my screen resolution and it keeps on saying upon boot hardware could not be found.
16:52<clam>even though when you test it, the nvidia drivers work fin
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16:53<clam>but when gnome launches default vesa drivers are used
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16:53<clam>any ideas people?
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16:54<clam>nothing huh?
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16:56<hustla>calm: i dont think d helpers are in d convo
16:56<jpablo>Hi there...Can anybody tellme if knows about a free software for the control of user of my business
16:57<jpablo>schedule and activities
16:57<clam>wouldnt open office do that?
16:57<ArthurLiu>planner ?
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16:58<clam>yeah sounds like he wants something like an outlook planner but free and for linux. i thought openoffice has something like that
16:59<clam>evolution mail and calendar
16:59<jpablo>The idea is that I can upload the software in the server
16:59<clam>give a good google jpablo im sure you can find it ;)
16:59<clam>i would sooner use google documents though
17:00<jpablo>Ok clam thanks for the help..
17:00<clam>no prob ^_^
17:00<clam>now if someone could help me out
17:00<clam>that would be awesome :P
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17:01<hustla>where d operators went
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17:03<clam>well im going to hope that nvidia-xconfig fixed everything
17:03<clam>brb and rebooting
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17:05<LiCeT>good n8 all
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17:08<bastiaan>someone knows which kernel 'patch level' the debian kernel of lenny has?
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17:10<bastiaan>okay great
17:10<bastiaan>thats just the 6 in 2.6.26
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17:18<azeem_> /W 25
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17:24<makdin>ada yg ol ga
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17:24<dpkg>i heard id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360
17:24<azeem>dpkg: id is also #debian-id
17:24<dpkg>azeem: okay
17:25<azeem>makdin: this is an english language channel
17:25<makdin>oh yes
17:25<makdin>i'm sory
17:25<makdin>where server debian
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17:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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18:01<djc>poop tarts
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18:03<PiklesOnFire>mmm i like poop tarts
18:05<PiklesOnFire>lmao - epic fail
18:06<djc>firetruck fail -
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18:07<azeem>djc: please keep it on topic
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18:08<djc>right.. because I wouldnt want to interrupt all this traffic from people asking for help
18:09<azeem>or checking this window whether people need help because it has activity
18:11<djc>you should ask for extra in your pay for having to check it when the traffic is ot
18:12<PiklesOnFire>lol @ djc
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18:13<PiklesOnFire>djc, we do have an offtopic channel for this reason. but, srsly, people post offtopic crap in here all the time when it's slow
18:13*PiklesOnFire needs help
18:13<PiklesOnFire>can anyone recommend a good usnet group? :p
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18:13<djc>Depends on your definition of 'good'
18:13<azeem>PiklesOnFire: usnet?
18:14<PiklesOnFire>azeem, usenet - wiki it ;p
18:14<PiklesOnFire>djc, one where i can dl lots of uhm... stuff?
18:14<azeem>PiklesOnFire: how is that Debian related?
18:14<djc>PiklesOnFire, azeemwas confused by your dropping the 'e'
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18:15<djc>comp.sci.linux.debian is a good one, I hear
18:15<djc>assuming it exists
18:15<PiklesOnFire>azeem, as debian has usenet software, and i need a server in order to make the software perform, i see it as being related
18:15<djc>no one uses usenet for downloading "uhm.... stuff" anymore
18:15<azeem>PiklesOnFire: it's not
18:15<azeem>at least it's off-topic here
18:15<azeem>so please take it elsewhere
18:16<djc>PiklesOnFire, so, you think GM and Chrysler are gonna survive?
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18:17<PiklesOnFire>djc, thanks, i found one that exists that's similar to that. plus i found a few that are great for streaming radio from XD
18:17-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
18:17<azeem>djc: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
18:17<azeem>please continue your conversation in a different chan
18:20<Azhrarn_>Has anyone here had the pleasurable experience of installing Debian on a Poweredge 1950 recently? I'm about to go find some broadcom employees to stab in the face
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18:33<djc>So. Anyone have any opinions on the rocket/satellite/missile North Korea plans on launching? I've heard they are running linux on it, but the people I've heard arent sure if they are using Ubuntu or Debian.. anyone know?
18:33<PiklesOnFire>i heard it was gentoo actually...
18:35<djc>hrm.. the prominent google hits are something else
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18:43<bobrox>I installed xen on my system and there is 2 boot entry in grub
18:43<bobrox>Xen 3.2-1-amd64 / Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 and Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64
18:43<bobrox>what is the diference between them ?
18:44<PiklesOnFire>one is probably single user mode
18:44<PiklesOnFire>usually, the second one in the list
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18:45<bobrox>yes, but the second don't boot: unsuported filesystem ex2fs, and i have ex3
18:46<djc>Uh.. ext3fs is extfs with extensions
18:46<djc>er ext2fs with
18:46<bobrox>lol sorry
18:46<PiklesOnFire>exactly, if ext3 works, ext2 should work as well...
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18:46<djc>"ex2fs" or "ext2fs" ?
18:47<djc>ok.. just wondering if that was a typo here or in the config
18:47<djc>where/how did you install Xen?
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18:47<bobrox>1 week ago, with debian pakages
18:47<banished>Hi, are there some USB Netinstall images with iwconfig/wpa_supplicant avaliable?
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18:48<djc>bobrox, hrm.. dunno then.. tried google?
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18:49<djc>might want to find a Xen support resource
18:50<bobrox>i tryed but there is not a lot of resource for xen
18:50<djc>well.. you might want to keep googling.. try googling for the exact text of the error you get when trying to boot that
18:51<bobrox>ok thx
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18:53<kristianpaul>some guy running debian crypted here !
18:53<PiklesOnFire>debian crypted?
18:53<natanael>i want to pair my bluetooth keyboard and mouse
18:53<djc>natanael, and?
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18:54<natanael>and had kbluetooth running, but when i started "sudo hidd --connect 00:AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF" no pairing dialog opend
18:55<natanael>so i tried bluetooth-applet but it even doesn't put an icon in the taskbar
18:55<natanael>of my kde4
18:55<djc>are you using a builtin bluetooth support in your pc?
18:55<natanael>a usb-bluetooth dongle
18:55<djc>is it recognized?
18:55<natanael>with hcitool scan i found my devices
18:55<djc>it loaded the right modules?
18:56<kristianpaul> PiklesOnFire : encrypted sorry
18:57<natanael>djc: i hav just restarted /etc/init.d/bluetooth and now the bluetooth-applet starts
18:57<PiklesOnFire>kristianpaul, i figured, do you need help encrypting your debian? i may have missed your question ;p
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18:58<kristianpaul>PiklesOnFire, i want to, but i dont know the perfomance and the inplications of do that
18:58<djc>natanael, its working now?
18:58<natanael>djc: no
18:58<djc>kristianpaul, why do you want to do that?
18:58<natanael>djc: now i get "Can't create HID control channel: Connection refused" after i inserted the pin on the keyboard
18:58<kristianpaul>djc, secure my data
18:59<kristianpaul>djc, if my laptop is stolen
18:59<PiklesOnFire>kristianpaul, there are several guides for how, as far as performance issues, they are VERY minimal. I notice no latency in my programs, and maybe a 2% increase in CPU usage
18:59<PiklesOnFire>my laptop is a 2ghz intel core duo w. 2 gigs of ram though ;o
18:59<djc>natanael, sounds like you are a ways away from pairing.. sounds like your system isnt quite talking to the bluetooth dongle yet
19:00<kristianpaul>PiklesOnFire, i guess the use of the disk space is being reduced some way
19:00<kristianpaul>PiklesOnFire, i mean is not the same 20 gb unecrypted than 20gb encryted
19:00<PiklesOnFire>kristianpaul, not at all actually. i had ~78 gigs to start, and the same when i ended
19:01<PiklesOnFire>kristianpaul, your 20 gig drive MAY shrink to 19, but i doubt it will impact it even that much
19:01<natanael>djc: but hcitool scan still finds the devices
19:01<kristianpaul>PiklesOnFire, is 120 actually (20 was an example)
19:01<PiklesOnFire>kristianpaul, like i said, i doubt it's going to affect the size of it in any way that you might notice.
19:02<djc>natanael, im not sure then.. i havent used any bluetooth myself
19:02<natanael>does anyone else use bluetooth inputdevices?
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19:05<djc>someone had success.. maybe see what they did
19:05<djc>although it sounds like they rebuilt their kernel.. not quite sure why
19:05<djc>you probably dont need to do that
19:06<PiklesOnFire>kristianpaul, did you guys have any other questions about it?
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19:15<kristianpaul>PiklesOnFire, i'm done,
19:15<PiklesOnFire>kristianpaul, kk, hope i helped
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19:19*PiklesOnFire is away: I'm busy - leave me a pm
19:19<CyberNautiker>guetn Morgen
19:20*PiklesOnFire is away:
19:21<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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19:30<servidor>hi! i plugged an ibm network card but cant see it on lspci, what can i do to check the hardware support?
19:30<djc>dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp
19:30<djc>if it doesnt show up in lspci it probably is broken
19:31<djc>lspci will generally show all pci cards, regardless of wether they are 'supported' or not
19:31<djc>im assumings it is a pci card?
19:31<servidor>djc, ok... but its blinking nicely... what can be wrong?
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19:31<Noder>hello everybody ..
19:32<djc>all I can suggest is shut down and make sure its plugged all the way in.. or,
19:32<djc>shut down, unplug it, save the lspci output with it *not* installed, then shut back down, put it back in, and compare that with the lspci putput with it in
19:32<djc>it may be there, you just dont recognize it
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19:33<djc>if it really doesnt show up at all in lspci when you know its inserted properly, then either the card is broke or maybe the pci slot is bad
19:33<djc>try a different slot
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19:33<Noder>i've just made upgrade of squeeze and updater removed gnome package . :( ? anybody knows how why this colud happen
19:33<servidor>ok.. ill try it...
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19:33<djc>Noder, perhaps the package was obsoleted/replaced by something?
19:34<djc>isnt squeeze the bleeding edge devel?
19:34<djc>maybe it just doesnt have gnome
19:34<natanael>i think my problem is, that no gui asks me for the bluetooth pairing pin
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19:34<djc>natanael, that url I ghave you was no help?
19:34<natanael>not realy
19:34<Noder>uh .. possible but why updater left me with unsolved deps . everything worked till now ..
19:34<djc>eg, you did what it said, and it didnt work?
19:35<Noder>now if i try to reinstall gnome it says system-tools-backends: Breaks: gnome-system-tools (< 2.22.1-1) but 2.22.0-3 is to be installed
19:35<djc>Noder, If you are upgrading to the bleeding edge you should expect stuff to break
19:35<djc>and have the knowledge on how to fix it
19:35<jason_>Can anyone assist me with ZeroC Ice for PHP using apache2?
19:35<djc>if you dont, you should stay away from bleeding edge, and stick with lenny
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19:36<Noder>i've upgraded to squeeze only because of few newer packages .. kernel/wifi
19:37<djc>Noder, that doesnt change what I said.. in a development tree, stuff *will* break.. some work will be half done.. its like trying to move into a building thats still under construction
19:37<Noder>it looks like somebody reverted gnome-system tools on squeeze repo to 2.22.0-3
19:37<Noder>from 2.22.1-1
19:38<natanael>i think my problem could be a kde bug
19:38<Noder>djc: yes .. i know you're right :) but .. maybe somebody have a similiar problem and could help :)
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19:42<Noder>ok .. i know what's broken
19:43<jason_>Can anyone assist me with a ZeroC Ice for PHP problem I'm having on Apache2?
19:43<Noder>somebody put newer gnome-system-tools but without corresponding newer versions of other packages .. ;/ looks like i must to wait till somebody will put the rest -_-
19:44<PiklesOnFire>jason_, i would suggest staying in this channel, but also trying debian-apache for more accurate support
19:45<PiklesOnFire>Noder, can you pastebin your sources.list for me plz?
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19:45<Noder>PiklesOnFire: on private ?
19:46<PiklesOnFire>public, if anyone else decides to join in helping you, they will have it available on the chat ;p
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19:46<Noder>here it goes :
19:46<Noder>cat /etc/apt/sources.list
19:46<Noder>deb squeeze main non-free contrib
19:46<Noder>deb-src squeeze main non-free contrib
19:46<Noder>deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
19:46<Noder>deb-src squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
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19:47<PiklesOnFire>use pastebin Noder
19:47<Noder>sorry - didn't know ^_^
19:47<PiklesOnFire>haha, 's okie
19:49<Noder>ugh .. pastebin says that i'm trying to spam ^_^
19:49<PiklesOnFire>bwahahaha, dang pastebin
19:50<CyberNautiker> !ctell Noder paste
19:50<simonrvn>prolly 'cause of the multiple urls... *sigh*
19:50<Noder>simonrvn: probably ..
19:50<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
19:51<simonrvn>!paster =~ s,,,
19:51<dpkg>simonrvn: OK
19:51<Noder>here it is :)
19:52<simonrvn>defunct url...
19:52<PiklesOnFire>simonrvn, works for me
19:52<PiklesOnFire>Noder, have you tried removing the experimental from the mix?
19:52<simonrvn>because it redirects to paste.d.n
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19:53<Noder>nope .. sec 'll try
19:53<Noder>all entries ?
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19:54<PiklesOnFire>just the two listed under experimental ;p
19:54<Noder>u mean comment out whole lines or only params "experimental"
19:55<PiklesOnFire>the entire lines
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19:55<PiklesOnFire>Noder, our sources.list are almost identical, except you have the experimental repos added, which is probably causing the breakage
19:55<Noder>nuttin changed ;/ ..
19:56<Noder>now i'm trying to call
19:56<Noder> apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment fast-user-switch-applet gnome-system-tools gnome-network-admin gnome-core gnome-accessibility liboobs-1-4 system-tools-backends
19:56<Noder>says : system-tools-backends: Breaks: gnome-system-tools (< 2.22.1-1) but 2.22.0-3 is to be installed
19:56<PiklesOnFire>Noder, i'm assuming you did apt-get update first?
19:56<Noder>^_^ .. yes ofc
19:57<PiklesOnFire>haha, i just hafta ask
19:57<Noder>mmkay ^_^
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19:58<PiklesOnFire>Noder, my sources.list - just for reference
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20:00<PiklesOnFire>although, yours does have the volatile entry. have you tried to remove that as well?
20:00<PiklesOnFire>er, nvm, you already have it removed, sorry
20:00<Noder>sec .. i'll try your's list
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20:02<Noder>uhm .. the same
20:03<Noder>even on your's source list :)
20:03<Noder>ofc made apt-get update ^_^
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20:04<PiklesOnFire>lolz, hm. have you tried to remove the gnome-system-tools and then reinstall after an update?
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20:04<Noder>apt-get remove gnome-system-tools
20:04<Noder>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
20:04<PiklesOnFire>apt-get --purge remove gnome-system-tools
20:05<banished>Hi, Debian installer does not recognize any partitions on /dev/sda, hoever, there are some, I can boot the installed system and access all partitions
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20:05<PiklesOnFire>banished, are the partitions on an lvm or encrypted device?
20:05<Noder>the same response
20:05<banished>it does recomend to create a new partition table, but then *all* partitions are gone
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20:05<banished>the partitions
20:05<banished>no lvm or encryption used
20:05<PiklesOnFire>Noder, i'm sorry, i'm running out of ideas here...
20:06<PiklesOnFire>banished, what format are the partitions in?
20:06<Noder>uhm .. ok .. PiklesOnFire thank you anyway
20:06<banished>ext3 and ntfs
20:07<PiklesOnFire>Noder, i'm still gunna keep looking up info, see if i can find anything about it for you, so stay in the chat for a lil bit ;p
20:07<PiklesOnFire>banished, and the debian installer recognizes nothing on the disk?
20:09<banished>If i select it, it wants to create a new, empty partition table
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20:10<orochi>anyone else notice in lenny that flash tends to crash firefox when you fullscreen it? :>
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20:11<PiklesOnFire>banished, which installer are you using?
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20:12<adb>orochi: firefox or iceweasel ?
20:12<Noder>ok .. tkank you
20:12<orochi>adb: both unfortunately
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20:12<banished>PiklesOnFire: debian-500-amd64-netinst.iso
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20:13<orochi>adb: actually, no...double-checking on it, in iceweasel it works fine, in firefox it crashes :> i must have run firefox twice by mistake when i last tried it...hmm
20:14<natanael>it seams to work now
20:15<natanael>i think the problem was, that i had to start bluetooth-applet as superuser
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20:15<natanael>i have to restart now
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20:16<PiklesOnFire>Noder, i'm sorry, i can't find anything related to this. i think it might be because of the experimental software on your system, but i can't be 100% sure
20:17<Noder>i've just made dpkg -P gnome-system-tools .. it did clean something but i don't know yet if it helps
20:17<PiklesOnFire>Noder, i can't recall where, but I remember reading that it's a bad idea to mix the experimental repository because of it's tendency to break things, that's why i've been staying purely testing
20:17<PiklesOnFire>Noder, woohoo XD good luck!
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20:18<banished>can't I just soweway tell it to mount /dev/sda5 and install the system there?
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20:19<banished>(yes, I can mount it)
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20:19<PiklesOnFire>banished, you could drop to a terminal and do it i suppose. i don't know where the installer mounts to install
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20:21<adb>in ram ?
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20:22<PiklesOnFire>Noder, i now have 28 updates available, haha, lemmie see if i get a breakage
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20:24<banished>PiklesOnFire: I mounted it on the terminal, this works, unfortunately it's just a busybox and it doesn't even provide wpa_supplicant to get my wireless working :-/
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20:25<PiklesOnFire>banished, i know for a fact the netinstall disks don't have wpa_supplicant on them, they didn't even have my wireless drivers (iwl3945) but getting a base system installed and then using a network plug or burning debs to a cd SHOULD get you up and running
20:25*PiklesOnFire is away: i'll brb, if you need me shoot me a pm
20:27<Noder>PiklesOnFire: running in to the fire ? :D
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20:27<banished>well, installing a base system requires recognizing the partitions :-/
20:28<banished>I can mount them and access anything, but they don't show up in the installer
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20:29<monarka>Olá boa noite a todos
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20:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:30<monarka>preciso esclarecer uma duvida com relação ao Debian etch
20:30<Noder>PiklesOnFire: r u makin this update ? :D
20:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:35<PiklesOnFire>Noder, makin which update?
20:35<Noder>u said u got 28 updates avail
20:36<PiklesOnFire>oh yeah, i installed most of them, doing a dist-upgrade removes gnome-system-tools, fast-user-switch-applet, and gnome-network-admin
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20:36<PiklesOnFire>i'm assuming because it's installing the system-tools-backend's new version
20:37<Noder>so - you ended up just like me
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20:37<PiklesOnFire>it's deff a breakage on the repo side
20:37<PiklesOnFire>so i'm not upgrading until it's ready ;p
20:37<tito>how can i tell where a specific program is installed?
20:37<Noder>just like i thougt so
20:38<Noder>next time i'll be more carefull
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20:38<Xenguy>tito: different ways, but this works: dpkg -L appname...
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20:38<Xenguy>tito: that will list all the files in the package
20:38<tito>i just want the install path
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20:39<Xenguy>tito: paths are included
20:39<PiklesOnFire>tito, install paths are complicated because of the way that packages are laid out, files get installed all over your system. Xenguy's way is probably the best way to do it
20:40<Xenguy>tito: ppl use aptitude nowadays too, but I'm still old-fashioned <shrug>
20:40<Noder>PiklesOnFire: i've found solution
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20:40<PiklesOnFire>Noder, what is your solution?
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20:40<Noder>PiklesOnFire: downloaded manually gnome-system-tools_2.22.1-2_amd64.deb from sid
20:40<Noder>then installed back gnome etc
20:41<PiklesOnFire>Noder, good call ;]
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20:42<Noder>PiklesOnFire: uhh .. everything's fine now ..
20:42<Noder>PiklesOnFire: thank you very much for your support.. :)
20:42<PiklesOnFire>Noder, any time :]
20:42<Noder>:) literally ? rotfl :D
20:43<PiklesOnFire>if you're in the states, sure
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20:43<Noder>nope .. :) Poland/Europe :)
20:43<PiklesOnFire>Noder, than, sadly, i can't promise you "any time" but if i'm here, and i can help, i'm always willing ;p
20:43<Noder>'tis 02:43 am here ^_^
20:43<tito>thanks, got it.. i want to click on a jnlp (java web start file) and open it up but it just opens firefox and prompts me to save it. any ideas?
20:44<banished>what does the installer do after creating the partitions usually?
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20:44<adb>install base system
20:44<PiklesOnFire>banished, using #debian-installer might give you better assistance as it's directly related to your issue. just an fyi
20:45<banished>ah, thx
20:45<Formica>Hi all, in /var (a mounted part), i sum MB with "du -sh /var" and got 550M, but with "df --H", i've got 823M, why this difference ?
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20:46<Noder>PiklesOnFire: doh .. i'm curious why while reinstalling gnome it installed a lot of useless stuff like abiword
20:46<PiklesOnFire>Noder, because gnome is a meta package ;p
20:47<Noder>so - should i install only gnome-desktop-env ?
20:47<PiklesOnFire>Formica, 'df' only reports usage stats on filesystems, 'du', on the other hand, measures directory contents.
20:47<adb>Noder: install only gnome-core
20:47<PiklesOnFire>Noder, ^
20:47<Noder>ok .. me tries now :D
20:48<Formica>PiklesOnFire, so the good information is 'du' ?
20:48<PiklesOnFire>Formica, depends on what you mean by "good information"
20:49<Formica>PiklesOnFire, hum, i whant to know if my space left is "897-550" or "897-823"
20:50<PiklesOnFire>Formica, see this post: - but to answer your question, df would be the "good information"
20:50<djc>du tells you how much space is used by a specific set of files
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20:50<djc>df tells you how much space is used by all the files on a fiven file system
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20:51<djc>du counts the actual size of files
20:51<djc>whereas fs counts the space taken up by them
20:51<djc>the difference has to do with the sector size
20:51<Formica>PiklesOnFire, "for Dummies" -_-' , but thx
20:51<djc>a 1 byte file still takes at least one full sector
20:51<PiklesOnFire>Formica, any time
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20:52<PiklesOnFire>djc, blocks, not sectors ;p
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20:52<djc>blocks/sectors/clusters whatever
20:53<PiklesOnFire>djc, blocks are used by filesystems, sectors are typically used by the hardware itself.
20:53<djc>the concept is the same
20:53<djc>you cant store a 1 byte file and only use 1 byte of space
20:53<PiklesOnFire>djc, concept is SIMILAR, but far from the same ;p
20:53<PiklesOnFire>well, you could if you had 1byte blocks, but that's pretty lame
20:54<djc>the block addresses would take more space than the entire drive ;)
20:54<PiklesOnFire>haha, pretty much
20:55<Formica>thx for answer, i understand now
20:55<Noder>PiklesOnFire: yeah :) .. now everything's fine :D
20:55<djc>a 1 byte file is pretty lame anyway
20:56<PiklesOnFire>djc, no kidding ;p
20:58<Noder>PiklesOnFire: how to make a list of all installed packages in system ?
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20:59<PiklesOnFire>Noder, "dpkg -l > ./installed.txt"
20:59<PiklesOnFire>will generate a txt file with all installed packs
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20:59<Noder>PiklesOnFire: god bless you
21:00<PiklesOnFire>Noder, yw?
21:01<Noder>me goes reboot .. thank you once more
21:01<PiklesOnFire>any time ;p
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21:10<jason_>why is it when I uninstall mumble, it keeps the murmur server running, and doesn't delete the files installed with apt-get install, and the server keeps running when i reboot too...
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21:10<jason_>How can I completely remove the package and its contents so it is just like it was before i installed it?
21:11<PiklesOnFire>jason_, apt-get --purge remove [pkg_name]
21:11<jason_>it says its already removed
21:11<jason_>but the daemon still runs on reboot
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21:11<PiklesOnFire>wb kristianpaul =]
21:12<kristianpaul>PiklesOnFire, hey
21:12<kristianpaul>PiklesOnFire, i'm not english, what's "wb"?
21:13<djc>'welcome back'
21:13<locsmif>Hi all. I've upgraded Etch to Lenny, but now Apache constantly gives me this warning during start or restart: [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
21:13<dpkg>thanks, djc. It's good to be back.
21:13<djc>!dpkg wb is also short for Welcome Back
21:13<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! is also short for Welcome Back has returned!
21:13<dpkg>thanks, djc. It's good to be back.
21:13<kristianpaul>djc, oh, nice
21:14<PiklesOnFire>locsmif, have you checked your apache2.conf?
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21:17<locsmif>PiklesOnFire, it seems to be caused by ports.conf, it now contains a NameVirtualHost directive
21:17<locsmif>Is ports.conf new?
21:18<jason_>anyone have any information for me?
21:18<locsmif>(If I comment out the NameVirtualHost directive in there, the warning disappears)
21:18<djc>locsmif, are you using name virtual hosts?
21:18<djc>how many websites do you host? how did you set them up?
21:18<locsmif>djc, you always do when you use Apache 2.x
21:18<locsmif>but I don't host more than one w.s.
21:18<djc>you can set apache up any way you want
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21:19<djc>then you should setup your apache config the way you want it to be
21:19<locsmif>djc, I use it that way so I can easily expand with an additional website
21:19<locsmif>but right now, I point everything to one default
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21:20<locsmif>djc, it seems the NameVirtualHost directive moved from 000-default to ports.conf, and a dup creates this warning
21:20<djc>apache is another area (mail being one) where if you are seriously running it, rather than relying on stock/system default config, you should be fully aware of exactly how its setup for your situation
21:20<djc>own the config
21:20<djc>dont let it own yo
21:20<locsmif>I get the intention, putting it in ports.conf is probably better, I'll remove the one from 000-default
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21:21<PiklesOnFire>locsmif, have you read:
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21:22<PiklesOnFire>jason_, have you checked to make sure the mumble-server package was removed as well? also check that mumble-server-web is removed also
21:22*PiklesOnFire is away:
21:22<locsmif>PiklesOnFire, sure:
21:23<jason_>yeah I figured it out, thanks a lot PiklesOnFire, though late ;)
21:23<jason_>that was it though
21:23<gsimmons>!tell PiklesOnFire -about away
21:23<PiklesOnFire>gsimmons, do you know how to disable them in xchat? because i can't seem to find it
21:24<gsimmons>PiklesOnFire: If it isn't described in the documentation, ask in #xchat on freenode.
21:24<djc>PiklesOnFire, prefs/ chatting/ general
21:24<djc>"announce away messages"
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21:25<jason_>How can I make it so that my FTP Client can view my /var/www
21:25<jason_>instead of going straight into ~/
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21:26<locsmif>jason_, depends on the FTP client
21:26<jason_>Well, its Firezilla
21:27<locsmif> depends if you mean client side folder view or remote server folder view
21:27<jason_>and I use the FTP feature from Notepad++
21:27<djc>the server controls what the starting dir is
21:27<djc>not your client.. although some clients can be setup to issue a cd on connect
21:27<jason_>well, I was having problems with apache when I set the defaultdirectory to /home/jason/public_html
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21:27<djc>but why ftp html? ssh in and edit it directly
21:28<djc>public_html is for
21:28<locsmif>jason_, apache or ftp? which is it?
21:28<djc>webhost I ran, we put /home/username/ as their webroot
21:28<jason_>because notepad++ will automatically update files through FTP
21:28<jason_>as soon as I save them
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21:28<djc>if you edit them on the server they will already be 'u[pdated' in place
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21:29<jason_>what software can I use on the client that keeps them neat and in tabs
21:29<jason_>notepad++ has a lot of cool features
21:29<jason_>especially with syntaxing
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21:29<djc>this is on debian?
21:29<locsmif>jason_, sounds good enough
21:29<djc>notepad sounds like 'windows'
21:29<jason_>notepad++ on windows
21:29<jason_>well, its multiplatform
21:29<jason_>i think
21:29<djc>install debian instead
21:29<PiklesOnFire>btw - djc thanks
21:30<jason_>I have debian on this computer lol
21:30<jason_>I just want to do my web design through windows
21:30<jason_>even my coding
21:30<PiklesOnFire>jason_, if you don't mind me asking, WHY? ;p
21:30<manphiz>notepad++ infringes DFSG effectively IMHO
21:30<locsmif>jason_, you have an ftp user which you use to edit your website config
21:31<locsmif>jason_, set the ftp config homedir for that user to /var/www or so. Whatever, that should do it.
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21:31<locsmif>your client software or OS are of no interest to #debian
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21:32<locsmif>unless your client OS is Debian ofcourse ;-)
21:33<banished>any ideas how I can point the installer to a specific location?
21:34<locsmif>banished, I don't get the Q ..
21:34<locsmif>Do you mean partition?
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21:35<banished>the problem is, that the installer doesn't see any partitions - it recomends to create an empty partition table
21:35<banished>I however can mount all partitions flawlessly
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21:35<locsmif>banished, does fdisk report any errors
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21:35<banished>locsmif: fdsik on what?
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21:36<locsmif>banished, did you do things in another tty while the installer was running
21:36<locsmif>how did you mount the partitions? using some livecd?
21:36<banished>omitting empty partition (5) - that's what it's saing
21:37<banished>I use the netinstall cd, i can mount them on another tty
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21:38<locsmif>that is sort of what I meant by 'doing things in another tty' above...
21:38<locsmif>perpaps show us fdisk -l on
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21:39<banished>as there is no wpa_supplicant, that's difficult
21:39<banished>but fdisk -l lists all partitions
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21:41<locsmif>banished, hard to diagnose problems with no info
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21:41<banished>I don't have much more info either :(
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21:42<banished>anything I could try?
21:42<Caldavien>any one available to help with some trouble concerning rsync?
21:43<locsmif>perhaps unmount the partitions and have the installer 'rescan' the partitions again if at all possible. I don't have the resources here to run an installer to look up the exact screen I mean, nor do I know its screens by heart..
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21:44<locsmif>make sure there are no partition ordering problems (fdisk would report them, and offer to fix them in advanced mode)
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21:44<locsmif>make sure your partitioning scheme is valid (no nested partitions, such as 'sda1p1'
21:45<banished>locsmif: i rebootet the computer a few times after fdisk provided some 'fixes' when I applied it to sda2 - unfortunalely it just changed the partition ID from ext3 to ntfs, which is false
21:45<banished>I'm not aware of such things
21:45<locsmif>banished, that sounds like a problem origin right there, something must be up with that
21:46<gsimmons>Caldavien: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
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21:46<locsmif>banished, running /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/sdXY can help
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21:47<locsmif>replace XY with a1, a2, b1, whatecer
21:47<locsmif>whatever..sorry lights are off here, one blew.
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21:47<hustla>guys guys guys
21:48<hustla>i need some help man
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21:48<hustla>my resolution is 800x600
21:48<hustla>i want it to be 1024 x 786
21:48<banished>locsmif: recocnizes ext3 correctly, only fdisk -l gets it false
21:48<hustla>can u help me please
21:49<Caldavien>Im trying to copy a file from a ubuntu8.10 desktop to my debian5 server, thier both located on the same network(same room actually). Ive installed rsync on both machines, when I attempt to run comman "rsync /home/folder/file name@comp:/home/folder" I keep getting connection refused error, Im trying to do this via ssh and not with a daemon
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21:49<locsmif>banished, basically we need to see that output
21:49<banished>hustla: which Graphics card?
21:49<banished>let me hook up a ethernet cable..
21:49<banished>is there ssh within the netinstaller?
21:50<hustla>well to tell u d truth i dont kno d name of d card
21:50<Caldavien> I think its prolly a simple syntax or config error but Im still pretty new to linux in general and cant seem to find what Im loking for
21:50<hustla>but its onboard the dell lattitude
21:50<banished>hustla: lspci | grep VGA
21:50<hustla>am new to linux
21:50<locsmif>banished, I don't could also come back here with a livecd at some point, in order to have a closer look at that table
21:51<locsmif>something's wrong with it
21:51<banished>hustla: just type it into the terminal.. (maybe you'd have a look at ubuntu, it makes things a lot easier for the beginner)
21:51<gsimmons>!tell Caldavien -about connection refused
21:51*banished ducks to not get hit
21:51<banished>locsmif: I'll try
21:52<hustla>what command should i type
21:52<locsmif>banished, perhaps your partition table is preparing an April Fools joke on ya ;P
21:52<banished>the LiveCD ist just the first out of those 12 CDs, right?
21:53<banished>hustla: lspci | grep VGA
21:54<locsmif>banished, I'm not aware of any Debian official livecd, you'd have to try Knoppix or something. However, Knoppix != Debian, so that you'd only use to get in here and show us partition data via or so.
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21:54<hustla>ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02)
21:54<banished>wow, an ancient one
21:55<locsmif>banished, otherwise, if not Knoppix, you can also just type the fdisk -l output over..
21:55<banished>locsmif: yes, I tried partedmagic some time before, the issue is also true for gparted
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21:55<banished>however, Sidux managed to uinstall fine
21:56<banished>hustla: paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, driver should be ati
21:56<hustla>banished can u help me still
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21:57<hustla>it says permission denied
21:57<banished_>hustla: what have you done?
21:57<hustla>typed that into the therminal
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21:57<banished_>typed what?
21:58<PiklesOnFire>hustla, can you paste the output of xrandr on and link me to the results?
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21:58<banished_>fdsik -l
21:58<hustla>Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600
21:58<hustla>default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm
21:58<hustla> 800x600 60.0* 56.0
21:58<hustla> 640x480 60.0
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21:59<locsmif>banished, yes, that looks wrong
21:59<PiklesOnFire>banished, looks VERY wrong
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21:59<locsmif>extended partition cannot be sda3
21:59<hustla>Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600
21:59<hustla>default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm
21:59<hustla> 800x600 60.0* 56.0
21:59<hustla> 640x480 60.0
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22:00<banished_>hmm anything else than the amount of ntfs partitions, that's wrong with it?
22:00<locsmif>extended partition cannot be sda3
22:00<PiklesOnFire>banished, you shouldn't have 8 partitions on a disk
22:00<locsmif> or can it
22:00<PiklesOnFire>no more than 4 primary
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22:00<PiklesOnFire>hustla, please use - do not directly paste into the chat
22:00<hustla>ohh ok
22:01<banished_>hmm, someway these partitions have got there
22:01<PiklesOnFire>then after you paste there, paste the link to the chat ;]
22:01<locsmif>PiklesOnFire, have you ever seen an extended partition on sda3?
22:01<banished_>there was even another partition, but I merged two
22:02<PiklesOnFire>locsmif, NEVER, it is usually sda5 on my system
22:02<hustla>ok i pasted it
22:02<PiklesOnFire>hustla, now paste a link to it in here :p
22:02<banished_>I merged sda1 and sda2 so every partition after them swicthed in place
22:02<locsmif>PiklesOnFire, well the extended partition container is usually on ..4, and the first partition in the extended container is usually ..5
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22:02<PiklesOnFire>locsmif, yeah, sounds right
22:03<locsmif>banished, let me show you a normal one
22:03<banished_>hustla: now paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf - open it with your favourite editor ;-)
22:03<banished_>locsmif: normal one?
22:03<PiklesOnFire>hustla, exactly what banished asked
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22:03<PiklesOnFire>banished_, yeah, as stated, your partition table is not up to par
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22:03<locsmif>banished_, see above
22:04<banished_>um, I don't have any spare partition table
22:04<hustla>wen i type the /etc/X11/xorg.conf into the therminal it say permission enied
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22:04<banished_>hustla: no, OPEN it, it's a text file
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22:04<hustla>ohh ok
22:04<locsmif>banished_, extended partitions consist of two elements: the container, on h/sd.4, and its partitions, on h/sd.5,6,7,8 ..etv
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22:05<banished_>yes, everything moved foreward after 'removing' sda2
22:05<banished_>and enlarging sda1
22:05<banished_>sda3 got sda2 and so on
22:05<hustla>Banished: Thats blank
22:06<banished_>so the container swiched in place as well
22:06<hustla>no text in it
22:06<locsmif>banished_, you can have no more than four primary partitions, or three primary partitions and *one* extended container with more partitions
22:06<locsmif>banished_, so your MBR is completely invalid now
22:06<banished_>so what to do? (it still works..)
22:06<banished_>hustla: how did you open the file?
22:06<hustla>double click
22:07<hustla>it opened as a word document
22:07<locsmif>banished_, yeah, mount is merciful, otherwise you wouldn't be able to backup your data
22:07<PiklesOnFire>banished_, backup the files, and then reformat the drive ;p
22:07<banished_>I even booted into the system right now
22:07<PiklesOnFire>hustla, try from a terminal - sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:07<banished_>PiklesOnFire: unfortunately I don't have 400GB of space left somewher else
22:07<locsmif>banished_, /dev/sdb ;-)
22:08<PiklesOnFire>lol @ locsmif
22:08<banished_>/dev/sdb2 459G 427G 18G 97% /media/disk2part2
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22:08<PiklesOnFire>i'll be back in a lil bit guys :p
22:09<hustla>Banished command not found
22:09<locsmif>banished_, you need to move everything one forward again
22:09<locsmif>banished_, after sda2
22:09<banished_>but then I have too much partitions
22:09<PiklesOnFire>hustla, are you using gnome or kde or xfce or another gui
22:09<locsmif>who said that, windows?
22:10<banished_>the whole story was that I had to install Windows XP some weeks ago (yes..) and it complained about too many partitions
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22:10<PiklesOnFire>oh, hustla, then do "sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf" (w.out the quotes)
22:10<banished_>hustla: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:10<abrotman>hustla: go to #xubuntu on for support, this channel supports Debian
22:11<locsmif>banished_, extended partitions can have many logical drives
22:11<banished_>or use #ubuntu, #xubuntu is quiet extinct often
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22:11<hustla>yeah but its blank
22:11<hustla>no text in it
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22:11<abrotman>hustla: not our problem .. if you want support here, install Debian
22:11<banished_>hustla: xubuntu 8.10?
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22:12<PiklesOnFire>abrotman, no need to be rude ;p
22:12<hustla>Banished : Yea
22:12<abrotman>i'm not being rude .. if he keeps going he will be banned from this channel
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22:12<banished_>I thought it still creates such a file, I thought only fedore doesn't do so
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22:13<banished_>So you think by creating anothr primary partition the problem may solve itself?
22:13<hustla>how much Hard drive spaces does debian take up??
22:14<banished_>I hoped I could rather cut down my partition mess..
22:14<banished_>hustla: depends
22:15<locsmif>banished_, no
22:15<hustla>whats d minimum
22:15<locsmif>banished_, you need to actually fix the MBR
22:15<locsmif>doing basic things to it will not solve it necessarily
22:15<banished_>how to do so without loosing data?
22:16<locsmif>banished_, calculator + manual editing (Sorry...)
22:16<banished_>just some sort of 'fixmbr' and things will be fine?
22:17<locsmif>banished_, create a backup using dd
22:17<locsmif>(MBR backup)
22:17<banished_>I think I rather stick with sidux than
22:17<banished_>oh, no
22:17<locsmif>banished_, I could tell you this in #sidux too, but it's your choice ;-)
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22:18<locsmif>banished_, you might end up losing data at some point anyway
22:18<banished_>the reason i wanted to reinstall was that I want to switch to amd64
22:18<locsmif>banished_, you do understand how seriously fucked up your MBR is..
22:19<locsmif>data loss is around the corner
22:19<banished_>and the reason I wanted to switch to debian was that I can't install any kernel > 2.6.28 if I want to keep fglrx
22:19<banished_>hm, really?
22:19<locsmif>banished_, install the debian kernel then
22:19<banished_>the 64bit one?
22:19<banished_>with existing 32bit userland?
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22:19<locsmif>install what works
22:20<banished_>but how can the messed up mbr cause data loss in the long run?
22:20<locsmif>banished_, same way a potentially disastrous bug bites you sooner or later
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22:21<locsmif>some day it will come back to bite you, for example when running a partition editor again
22:21<locsmif>some partition editors will not be able to handle this weird situation and will kill your data
22:21<banished_>yes, gparted would even now
22:22<banished_>but editing partitions is nothing I do dayly
22:22<locsmif>banished_, I could potentially fix it by hand
22:23<locsmif>You could send me a copy of the MBR
22:23<locsmif>It's only one sector, isn't it
22:23<banished_>what would I have to do? how to fix the mbr?
22:23<locsmif>I'd sacrifice your swap partition
22:23<locsmif>then move the extended partition in its place
22:23<locsmif>but with manual editing
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22:24<banished_>editing what? the sector using a hex editor?
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22:28<locsmif>banished_, been there, done that, got the shirt.
22:30<banished_>soulds like fun
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22:31<banished_>So i either touch the bytes by hand or I trust in grub/lilo voodoo?
22:31<locsmif>dd if=/dev/hda count=1 bs=1 skip=$((0x1be)) count=64 | hd -v
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22:39<locsmif>banished_, the fifth column in that output represents the type
22:40<locsmif>3rd row, 5th col: 05 (extended), 4th row, 5th col: 82 (swap)
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22:40<banished_>ok, but what will happen to the used space?
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22:40<locsmif>3rd row needs to be written onto 4th row, and after that 3rd row must be only 00's
22:41<locsmif>banished_, you will lose one gig of paritioned space, i.e. your swap
22:41<locsmif>banished_, however, if you create a new swap partition, it may be a new logical drive
22:41<locsmif>it will, however, be in wrong partition order
22:42<banished_>and it won't confuse anything that there is suddenly such strange data mess where the extended container should be (aka swap)?
22:42<locsmif>...which you can then fix with fdisk in expert mode, with 'x' and 'f'
22:42<locsmif>banished_, always create a backup
22:42<banished_>of the mbr?
22:42<locsmif>at least of the MBR
22:42*banished_ shivers in fear
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22:43<locsmif>banished_, forget it, you should do this without backups anyway
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22:43<locsmif>it should work, but I don't want to take responsibility though.
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22:43<locsmif>do this without backups.
22:43<locsmif>so...that's what you can do..good luck
22:43<jrabbit>mbr isn't important to file structure.
22:44<ranix>why not mkfs /dev/hda
22:44<ranix>rather than /dev/hda1
22:44<aragorn29>does anybody knows what the symbol ~ means in bash?
22:44<locsmif>ranix, say what?!
22:44<abrotman>aragorn29: $HOME
22:44<locsmif>jrabbit, could be a solution
22:44<ranix>locsmif: that was my response earlier in freenode when someone mentioned that. I said "What?"
22:44<abrotman>aragorn29: you mean like "cd ~" ?
22:45<ranix>locsmif: but several people said "Well why not?" as if it was normal
22:45<ranix>so I began wondering, well, why not?
22:45<locsmif>ranix, heh
22:45<abrotman>aragorn29: it translates to $HOME IIRC
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22:46<aragorn29>abrtman, ok thanks =)
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22:46<abrotman>i'm sure "man bash" would tell you for sure
22:46<locsmif>banished_, use testdisk as an alternative
22:47<abrotman>yes it does
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22:47<locsmif>banished_, it will scan for partitions and try to write back a sane MBR/Extended Partition
22:47<banished_>so I replace 05 with 00 and 82 with 05?
22:48<locsmif>banished_, no! Did I say that?!
22:48<locsmif>banished_, forget it, use testdisk or so..
22:48<aragorn29>if i write ~ and then press tabs the users of the system shows up
22:49<abrotman>aragorn29: echo $HOME .. says what ?
22:49<aragorn29>for what should i use that?
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22:49<aragorn29>nope its ~tab in bash
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22:50<abrotman>aragorn29: i think you wanted cd ~/<tab><tab>
22:50<banished_>I still wonder what to dio with testdisk - I don't have any lost partitions
22:50<abrotman>aragorn29: cd ~<otheruser> would change to that user's $HOME
22:51<aragorn29>=) cool thanks
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22:52<banished_> still, the space conflict seems interesting
22:54<aragorn29>anyone knows how to download a package with apt-get without install it?
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22:54<adb>apt-get -d ?
22:55<aragorn29>apt-get install package --download-only??
22:55<adb>apt-get --help
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22:56<locsmif>banished_, got to go, good luck
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22:56<banished_>maybe I should just see what happens when I boot into the amd64 kernel..
22:57<ranix>what do you expect to happen
22:57<banished_>I don't know - either kernel panic or working 32bit applications with > 4GB memory support
22:57<banished_>the best way to find out is just trying it
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22:58<ranix>amd64 doesn't require a new apt repository, so I think it should work just fine
22:59<ranix>oh nevermind, the opposite of what I said is true
23:00<ranix>that makes more sense now
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23:06<jason_>how can I set permissions for my username to be able to modify /var/www/ through ftp
23:07<ranix>jason_: man chmod I think for the right info
23:07<ranix>jason_: or hit google for info
23:07<ranix>jason_: you're trying to learn about "permissions" in Linux
23:08<ranix>unix in general
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23:09<aragorn29>its not actually "permissions" in linux but "permissions" in ftp isnt it?
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23:09<ranix>would be a strange ftp server that maintains its own acl when the file permissions are right there for it
23:10<ranix>I would probably smack the author
23:10<ranix>with a fish
23:10<tonsofpcs>anyone know of a software vision mixer / production switcher?
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23:11<aragorn29>so you first grant permissions to the ftp daemon and then to the user of the ftp??
23:12<jason_>what I meant was, would it be smarter to add my ftp username as the owner?
23:12<jason_>or create a group, and add the www directory under group ownership from that group
23:14<ranix>jason_: either way is sufficient, as long as you do it reasonably the same every time so you can make sense of it later you are good to go
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23:14<aragorn29>are the ftp users real unix accounts or virtual users?
23:14<jason_>I use my actual real linux account to connect to SFTP
23:15<jason_>but it doesn't, by default, have write permissions into /var/www
23:15<jason_>and I want it so that when I connect to the SFTPd, it allows me to modify the files
23:15<aragorn29>ok then its unix permissions hehe
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23:16<ranix>jason_: I would add the ftp username to the www-data group personally, and give www-data rw (and dir +x) on /var/www/*
23:16<ranix>jason_: I adduser ranix www-data
23:16<aragorn29>yep, i guess group permissions over the www should the right bet
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23:16<jason_>thanks ranix
23:17<ranix>anytime, I'm here all week
23:17<ranix>tips in the hat
23:17<jason_>is www-data on debian by default?
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23:17<ranix>I think it's an apache thing
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23:18<jason_>naw ranix
23:18<jason_>its group id 33
23:19<jason_>by default
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23:31<aragorn29>anyone knows of a good book of ldap on debian?? =)
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23:32<banished>I just wanted to mentiun: it indeed works. However, there are some issues, hdb, the secondary CD drive causes some timeouts and errors, but that was true with the 64bit Debian CD as well, only wlan doesn't work (still it finds some networks with iwlist)
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23:46<ranix>banished: you should really switch your apt repository to amd64
23:46<ranix>banished: a few things I know about C (which I'll admit can be fuzzy) says it's a bad idea to use 32 bit code in a 64 bit environment
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23:47<ranix>banished: some pointer math should freak out, and it shouldn't take too long
23:47<ranix>banished: specifically, memory swapping
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