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00:07<PiklesOnFire>ranix, i've actually read 32bit code should run fine on a 64bit system (assuming the os and all program code is 32bit)
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00:18<blarson>ranix: Debian on 64 bit sparc systems has no problems running 32-bit applications, as long as the libraries are compiled for 32-bit mode. (Most are, only a few are compiled for 64-bit.)
00:20<PiklesOnFire>and sorry ranix, i didn't realize they were using 64bit debian until i scrolled way up ;p
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00:30<ranix>PiklesOnFire: nah forget about it
00:31<ranix>blarson: I still don't see how that can be across a wide range of libraries. Somewhere someone has to do some sloppy pointer-to-integer garbage
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00:31<ranix>blarson: does that really not exist anymore now that OSS is around?
00:32<PiklesOnFire>ranix, it still exists ;p
00:32<ranix>I remember the BS we had to deal with porting the boss' code from 16 bit to 32, when he did some byte2 = short
00:32<ranix>ahh that was horrible
00:34<ranix>or it might have been byte2 = int
00:34<ranix>I forgot
00:34<ranix>agh and then the far pointers
00:34<ranix>and the longlongs
00:34<ranix>and the huge pointers!
00:35<ranix>brb going to gouge out my eyes with a steak knife
00:35<PiklesOnFire>i'd be doing the same if i had to deal w. that ;p
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01:05<PiklesOnFire>welcom susedko
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01:11<Steven_M>from a security perspective which has the greatest risk, installing flashplugin-nonfree from Lenny backports or installing an experimentail version of gnash from experimentail?
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01:12<PiklesOnFire>i'd say flashplugin is always less secure than gnash, only because flash itself is so vulnerable and it's not opensource
01:13<PiklesOnFire>but that's just my opinion.
01:13<PiklesOnFire>gnash experimental would probably be buggy though, and testing is apparently not receiving security updates, so gnash from stable would probably be your best bet
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01:17<snogglethorpe>the caveat being that it doesn't work very well
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01:17<PiklesOnFire>yeah, but he only asked about security, not performance ;p
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01:17<Steven_M>PiklesOnFire: gnash from stable doesn't play a lot of clips properly, thanks for your feed back?
01:18<PiklesOnFire>Steven_M, gnash itself doesn't work very well at playing flash files, but last i tried, the one from experimental was working "pretty decently"
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01:23<Steven_M>PiklesOnFire: ok, and your the exprimentail version would be safer than flashplugin-nonfree?
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01:24<PiklesOnFire>Steven_M, it should be more secure, probably less stable. so it depends what you mean by "safe" i doubt it will crash your system, or even Xserver for that matter, but it may crash the browser or itself from time to time. as far as vulnerable, it is far less vulnerable than Adobe's flash, although it too is fairly safe
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01:28<Woet>Hi. I'm trying to setup a server for VPSes (using openVZ), but somehow it won't start again after installing the kernel. According to my server provider, the kernel of openVZ does not have the proper network card drivers.
01:28<Woet>How would I go forward in getting the openVZ kernel _with_ proper network card drivers?
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01:29<BabaBlackSheep>Hello, anyone??
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01:29<Woet>BabaBlackSheep: just ask your question.
01:30<Steven_M>PiklesOnFire: cool :-) Sorry I should've have defined safe. I mean safer has in harder for hackers to exploit.
01:30<BabaBlackSheep>Is there anyway in apt to see which repo I have installed a package from??
01:30<PiklesOnFire>Steven_M, you'll want gnash in that case ;p
01:30<gsimmons>!tell BabaBlackSheep -about which repo
01:32<Steven_M>PiklesOnFire: thanks :)
01:32<PiklesOnFire>any time Steven_M
01:33<BabaBlackSheep>gsimmons, thanks so much, is a similar script in unstable/testing somewhere??
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01:34<BabaBlackSheep>!tell BabaBlackSheep -about ls
01:35<gsimmons>BabaBlackSheep: Not that I'm aware. Also, please message the bot; /msg dpkg foo
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02:08<Nibbler>hey guys i'am trying to install rt2860, its a wireless card, somehow i can run modprobe rt2860sta as well and it works! but the wireless card doesnt show up in my ifconfig -a
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02:11<gsimmons>Nibbler: Not even a ra0 interface?
02:11<Nibbler>:( no and thats what drives me crazy !
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02:13<gsimmons>Nibbler: Are you using the driver built from Debian's 'rt2860-source' package, or supplied in kernel 2.6.29's staging directory?
02:14<Nibbler>i so i would say source package
02:15<Nibbler>i did what it told me there..
02:16<Nibbler>when i type in lsmod it doesnt list a device which is called rt2860... althoug my asus 900A is supposed to have htis wifi card in it
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02:19<gsimmons>Nibbler: Uh, the 900A uses an Atheros chipset internally, at least according to
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02:20<Nibbler>the people from debian-eeepc told me its more like the 901 after i installed madwifi... and didnt have any sucess
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02:22<gsimmons>Nibbler: Well, installing the rt2860sta driver (which is for the Ralink chipset) won't solve this problem for you.
02:22<PiklesOnFire>Nibbler, i'm kinda late on this, but have you tried iwconfig?
02:22<Nibbler>yea doesnt show any interfaces except eth0 and lo
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02:23<PiklesOnFire>just thought i'd ask, my wlan0 only showed up under iwconfig not ifconfig for some reason.
02:23<Nibbler>... gsimmons so how can i determine which driver i need?
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02:23<PiklesOnFire>Nibbler, you'd need to find the chipset, then match the driver to the chipset
02:23<gsimmons>Nibbler: If you can provide the output of "lspci -nnk" at a paste site, that would clarify a few things.
02:23<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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02:24<PiklesOnFire>Nibbler, if you could also pastebin the results of a lsmod, i'd appreciate that as well ;p
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02:26<Nibbler>is that helpfull ?
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02:27<PiklesOnFire>Nibbler, could you pastebin two things for me, the full output of lspci, and the output of lsmod?
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02:27<PiklesOnFire>appreciate it :]
02:28<gsimmons>PiklesOnFire: Nibbler has already provided lspci output.
02:28<gsimmons>Nibbler: Not really. A wireless LAN device does not appear to be listed. This may explain your difficulties with the MadWifi driver.
02:28<PiklesOnFire>gsimmons, yes, but i would like to see it w.out the -nnk options.
02:29<gsimmons>PiklesOnFire: How would that be helpful?
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02:30<PiklesOnFire>gsimmons, because i wasn't sure if the options you asked him to supply might cause it to not show, sorry. either way, it doesn't appear in there.
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02:31<PiklesOnFire>Nibbler, when was the last time you used this wifi device?
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02:33<Nibbler>hmm .. i used it with the eeebuntu
02:33<Nibbler>2 days ago
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02:34<Nibbler>why ?
02:34<PiklesOnFire>jw ;p
02:34<PiklesOnFire>Nibbler, what version of Debian?
02:35<Nibbler>debian lenny
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02:35<PiklesOnFire>kk. try installing firmware-iwlwifi
02:36<Nibbler>k how did you figure this out --> i dont know if it works.. but i am wondering..
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02:36<gsimmons>PiklesOnFire: Huh?
02:36<PiklesOnFire>gsimmons & Nibbler - read the last post on:
02:36<Nibbler>did this .. didnt change naything so far... aptitude firmware-iwlwifi - > Sucessfully installed
02:36<PiklesOnFire>also, Nibbler try the two links provided which are specific to the eepc
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02:37<Nibbler>--> i got the 900A there is the 901 ? are you sure?
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02:38<Nibbler>i got the eee repo , and i got the rt2860 working..
02:38<Nibbler>i did all these things..
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02:39<Nibbler>are you sure its a ralink device?
02:39<Nibbler>because i cant understand how i can find this ... information..
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02:40<PiklesOnFire>Nibbler, lspci would usually provide this information. but yours is strangely lacking it
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02:44<Nibbler>so you think the device is dead?
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02:44<PiklesOnFire>i'm trying to pinpoint exactly what wifi card is in your system, just to be sure
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02:46<PiklesOnFire>Nibbler, can you try modprobe ath5k
02:47<PiklesOnFire>Atheros chipset - btw
02:47<Nibbler>is that a good sign ?
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02:47<PiklesOnFire>if your lspci does it show anything new?
02:47<PiklesOnFire>or if/iwconfigs? anything new in those?
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02:48<Nibbler>i dont belive so..
02:49<Nibbler>but iam glad your helping me.. :-) your kinda my hope!
02:49*PiklesOnFire bangs head on desk
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02:49<PiklesOnFire>i'd say recompile your kernel :p
02:49<Nibbler>il just boot eeebuntu from the stick and look if the wlan is detected..
02:49<PiklesOnFire>jaaaay kaaaay gsimmons
02:49<Nibbler>and the reason for this ?
02:50<PiklesOnFire>the ONLY reason i'd say to recompile your kernel is if it's your last option, and then to use the one provided here:
02:50<PiklesOnFire>because it is optimized for your laptop
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02:50<PiklesOnFire>but i'm hopeful we can get it working for you ;]
02:52<Nibbler>so i could just install that kernel deb package?
02:53<PiklesOnFire>well, those two, yes...
02:53<Nibbler>iam booting eebuntu atm..
02:53<PiklesOnFire>sorry, i didn't realize the first two were debs =/
02:53<Nibbler>--> so it should be piss easy to do thisright dpkg -i packagekernel.deb
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02:54<PiklesOnFire>gsimmons, any input on this idea of installing a diff kernel?
02:55<Nibbler>strangely the eeebuntu doesnt show a wireless lan connection either..
02:55<PiklesOnFire>do you have a hotkey for your wireless? like fn+f2 or some jibberish like that?
02:56<Nibbler>it has a hotkey for it..
02:56<PiklesOnFire>try hitting it?
02:56<Nibbler>but now a button
02:57<Nibbler>should lspci show something different?
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02:57<PiklesOnFire>it should if the wifi was disabled via the hotkey
02:57<Nibbler>where do i have to press this button btw?
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02:58<Nibbler>well the wifi light is on
02:58<chitchat>Hello all. A little while ago, my pidgin stopped working for ICQ. I just have the standard Lenny release. What's the best way to update pidgin under Debian given that apt-get upgrade does not report a newer version is available?
02:58<Nibbler>let me just reboot it and have a look
02:58<PiklesOnFire>was it on to begin w. or off?
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02:58<PiklesOnFire>Nibbler, this is a good sign ;p
02:58<Guest1068>Can anyone give me the command to Forcefully install a package please.
02:58<PiklesOnFire>this is THE good sign we wanted. lol
02:59<gsimmons>!tell chitchat -about pidgin
02:59<ccds>i want to install telnet server will anybody help me
02:59<chitchat>Thanks, gsimmons!
03:00<Nibbler>eeebuntu shows wireless cons :D
03:00<Nibbler>how exciting !
03:01<PiklesOnFire>scweet Nibbler, try out lenny, and see if it comes up too
03:01<Nibbler>yup i will :)
03:01<PiklesOnFire>ccds, i've never installed telnet server, sorry =/
03:02<PiklesOnFire>apt-get install telnet, should work to get a default telnet up though if i'm not mistaken.
03:02<ccds>lets check
03:02<PiklesOnFire>but what ver. of Debian are you using ccds so i can see if i can find any other info
03:02<Nibbler>it shows up on debian :-)
03:02<PiklesOnFire>Nibbler, awesome. see if you can get it to connect now ;p
03:03<PiklesOnFire>(Nibbler, i just want to be sure it's working)
03:03<Nibbler>you are the hero of today :-)
03:03<Guest1068>does anyone know how to install a package missing one dependency before?
03:03<Nibbler>long live PiklesOnFire :)
03:03*PiklesOnFire wewt
03:03<chitchat>gsimmons: That worked a treat! Thanks again.
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03:04<PiklesOnFire>Guest1068, what do you mean?
03:04<ccds>hi pikles it shows that it is installed
03:04<man345>hello all. Question question regarding proxies...
03:04<ccds>how could i start the service
03:04<enouf>Guest1068: apt-get install -f'
03:05<enouf>Guest1068: "apt-get install -f" might do it
03:05<Guest1068>enouf, i tried that
03:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
03:05<PiklesOnFire>ccds, to start it run (as root) /etc/init.d/inetd start
03:06<PiklesOnFire>enouf, thank you for that btw, THAT message should be the topic for the channel (imho)
03:06<man345>I am behind my country proxy, what do I do to bypass it?
03:07<PiklesOnFire>man345, that is actually off topic, but you can use tor.
03:07<man345>move to where? :)
03:07<PiklesOnFire>man345, a country that doesn't filter net content ;p
03:07<man345>Actually, I am asking the same question in that channel.
03:08<man345>Basically, all anonymous proxy sites are blocked.
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03:08<ccds>but there is no service inetd in /etc/init.d
03:09<man345>And getting the privoxy list (which is required by tor) was unsuccessful, this list was also blocked by our firewall
03:09<PiklesOnFire>ccds, run ps -aux | grep telnet to see if it's already running
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03:10<man345>I meant my country firewall (Bahrain).
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03:12<PiklesOnFire>man345, join #debian-offtopic, i'll help you in there, as this issue isn't debian-centric
03:12<ccds>no it is not running
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03:16<PiklesOnFire>ccds, one sec please
03:17<Steven_M>PiklesOnFire: white: If I get gnash from the webpage and install it with dpkg -i instead of getting it through apt-get, will the same checksum and signature checks be carried out?
03:17<Falsechicken>anyone know how to change my login screen resolution?
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03:19<PiklesOnFire>Steven_M, that much i'm unsure of. I don't believe so though, although again, i could be wrong
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03:20<Falsechicken>its really annoying i cant see my login screen cuz its too high for my monitor\
03:20<PiklesOnFire>ccds, you need to "apt-get install telnetd"
03:21<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, debian version plz? and login manager being used (ie: kdm, gdm, xdm, slim)
03:21<Falsechicken>i think gdm and lenny
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03:21<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, one sec plz.
03:22<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, can you login?
03:22<WildTurkey>i'm hosting 3 domains on my server at my house.. got a wireless router internet goes through to server and pc's. dns resolves fine, but can not open web browser up to i have to use http://domain
03:22<WildTurkey>any ideas?
03:22<Falsechicken>yes. i can type my way through
03:23<PiklesOnFire>if you go to [main_menu] -> System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
03:24<PiklesOnFire>set it to what you'd like it to be on the login screen, and check the box to make it the default. then restart X (logout/ctrl+alt+bkspc)
03:24<Falsechicken>i did. that only changes my account res.
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03:24<Falsechicken>it doesent change the logon screen
03:25<PiklesOnFire>WildTurkey, I'm just taking a stab in the dark here, but it seems like an issue in bind or in your apache conf. i'm not sure though
03:25<WildTurkey>kind of what i was thinking...apache
03:25<WildTurkey>i ruled bind out because i hosted a couple of the others with another DNS
03:26<WildTurkey>should i add a servername domain to my apache directive?
03:26<WildTurkey>no .com .net ....
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03:27<PiklesOnFire>WildTurkey, unfortunately i haven't messed with apache since apache2 first hit, so i can't answer that, maybe someone else can assist you
03:27<WildTurkey>yeah, i'm using apache2
03:27<WildTurkey>i'm used to apache tho
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03:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
03:29<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, can you send me your xorg.conf (using the pastebin instructions above ;p)
03:29<PiklesOnFire>WildTurkey, have you asked on debian-apache also? they tend to be really good at helping w. apache issues
03:30<WildTurkey>no, but i will. thanks alot PiklesOnFire
03:30<Falsechicken> in windows right now. but i did look at it. under display it doesnt say any information about my card or display
03:30<Falsechicken>it just said default
03:31<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, dual-boot i'm assuming?
03:31<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, see:
03:31<Falsechicken>for times like this. my wireless doesnt work in linux
03:31<PiklesOnFire>the last post on that topic should help you out, only make sure vitual matches modes
03:31<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, what type of wifi do you use?
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03:32<PiklesOnFire>wifi card*
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03:32<Falsechicken>its a linksys usb. but i dont care about that prob
03:33<PiklesOnFire>well, the link i sent you, seems to be the fix from what i've read on most sites, so i'd try that.
03:33<Falsechicken>this one is a ltiile more pressing
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03:33<Falsechicken>ok thinks
03:34<PiklesOnFire>np :]
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03:37<WildTurkey>yeah, i have trouble getting my belkin usb wireless to work
03:37<WildTurkey>but i haven't researched it much
03:37<Falsechicken>....strange the page is not loading. can you just paste some of it in a pm?
03:37<WildTurkey>i was just running live CD on my ibook
03:37<Falsechicken>yeah. i have never had luck with wireless usb in linux
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03:39<gsimmons>WildTurkey: What specific Belkin model/revision do you have?
03:39<WildTurkey>Belkin Wireless G USB Network Adapter
03:40<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, yeah, you got it
03:40<WildTurkey>Belkin F5d7050
03:40<dpkg>The F5D7050 is a USB wireless LAN adapter manufactured by Belkin. Depending on the device's version/revision, it may have either a Prism54 (v1000), RT2500USB (v2000), RT2501USB (v3000) or ZD1211 (v4000) chipset within. Ask me about <what's my wireless> to determine your version, then ask about: <prism54> (v1000), <rt2500usb> (v2000), <rt73> (v3000) or <zd1211rw> (v4000).
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03:44<WildTurkey>it discovers it in the devices
03:44<WildTurkey>just doesn't try to setup connection with it
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03:44<WildTurkey>chip has RT2571F on it
03:45<Steven_M>ok thanks
03:45<Steven_M>@ PiklesOnFire
03:45<ccds>thanks pikels i have done it
03:46<PiklesOnFire>Steven_M, whats up?
03:46<PiklesOnFire>ccds, np dude :]
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03:47<Steven_M>PiklesOnFire: nothing, just thanks about your response about installing it manually
03:48<PiklesOnFire>oh, any time dude, just happy to help :]
03:48<gsimmons>WildTurkey: The drivers for three of the four drivers mentioned require non-free firmware for device operation. What does "lsusb | grep Belkin" return?
03:48<WildTurkey>gimme a sec
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03:49<Steven_M>PiklesOnFire: :]
03:50*PiklesOnFire bows
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03:50<PiklesOnFire>i gladly accept tips ;p
03:50<PiklesOnFire>jk jk
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03:53<donza>is the new irssi 0.8.13 going to appear to debian lenny repositories in anytime soon?
03:53<shiznatix>hello. I just installed debian on my eee pc and then from the command line installed gnome-core (to avoid installing waaaay too many things I dont need or want) but now I need the login window to start on boot. How do I do this?
03:54<PiklesOnFire>donza, doubt it, but it is in testing
03:54<PiklesOnFire>shiznatix, apt-get install gdm
03:54<shiznatix>thanks mr "pickles man of awesome"
03:54<PiklesOnFire>shiznatix, as root, obviously ;p
03:54<PiklesOnFire>and any time
03:55<shiznatix>don't fret, I am not a super noob but just don't know package names by heart
03:55<PiklesOnFire>shiznatix, aha, good to know, but i never assume anything, and i only recognize a few names on here so far ;p
03:55<donza>PiklesOnFire: ok
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03:58<Supaplex>shiznatix: generally speaking, /msg dpkg search has good advice on how to find packages.
04:01<shiznatix>thanks Supaplex guy!
04:03<atoz-chevara>it's cool :)
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04:06<shiznatix>ok now I have a minimum gnome install going on but it looks crappy, unpolished. What package gives it a decent look, like the skin or whatever?
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04:12<PiklesOnFire>shiznatix, gnome-themes & gnome-themes-exta
04:12<PiklesOnFire>shiznatix, you might also want to install the gtk engines, but thats up to you ;p
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04:14<shiznatix>AHHHHHHHHH WHAT DO THOSE DO!?!?! (gtk engines that is)
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04:15<Supaplex>shiznatix: find out with apt-cache show <packagename>
04:15<PiklesOnFire>shiznatix, they are "themes" for gtk - which is the controls for gnome.
04:16<PiklesOnFire>Supaplex, apt-cache doesn't actually describe what the gtk engines do ;p
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04:20<Bartman007>I've been trying to track down an issue in Lenny and now sure where to go next. Some processes inexplicably run significantly (10-100x) slower than expected. This occurs in the lenny openvz kernel (both in a container and on the host node) and within a Xen domU
04:21<shiznatix>whew ok i think this is the last but in a full gnome install there is a easy network switcher to choose wireless connections and whatnot but its not there in a minimum install. how do i get that back?
04:21<Bartman007>I have not tested in the Xen dom0 yet, and have not noticed the issue when running the standard amd64 kernel. The problematic processes consume an entire core (user time) but take longer than they should
04:21<suiside>shiznatix: I believe you want gnome-network-manager
04:21<PiklesOnFire>shiznatix, network-manager-gnome
04:22<PiklesOnFire>suiside, gnome-network-manager is outdated ;p
04:22<suiside>ah, okay
04:22<talkabout>i gen an error stating i need kernel version 2.6.18 for glibc6 2.7-9 on lenny. what's the right linux-image for me? how can i find out?
04:22<talkabout>i get*
04:23<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, is your processor 64bit or 32?
04:23<petern>you are upgrading from etch or previous
04:24<petern>you should have upgraded to 2.6 on etch previously
04:24<talkabout>i am not upgrading
04:24<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, linux-image-2.6-686 && linux-headers-2.6-686 should take care of it for you
04:24<petern>lenny has 2.6.26, not 2.6.18
04:24<WildTurkey>gsimmons: lsusb spits out: Belkin Components 050d:7050
04:25<WildTurkey>i've done some research, says it's pretty simple to setup
04:25<talkabout>petern: that's the min req for glibc 3.7-9
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04:26<PiklesOnFire>WildTurkey, you're using Lenny as well, correct?
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04:26<WildTurkey>i think it's older
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04:27<WildTurkey>jeez, whats that frickin cmd to display ubuntu version?
04:27<BehiiMehii>How do I install compiz fusion?
04:27<PiklesOnFire>WildTurkey, use uname -r and post the output here plz
04:27<PiklesOnFire>BehiiMehii, are you using gnome/kde? and what version of linux?
04:27<WildTurkey>2.6.10-5 powerpc
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04:28<petern>2.6.10? ubuntu 5.04?
04:28<BehiiMehii>PiklesOnFire: Gnome, and Lenny
04:28<PiklesOnFire>WildTurkey, for reference, you're using sarge ;p
04:28<WildTurkey>something like that
04:28<Bartman007>WildTurkey: heh, that's been unsupported for ages.
04:28<petern>(p.s. this is #debian, not ubuntu)
04:28<BehiiMehii>5.1, I believe
04:29<WildTurkey>they are close in nature :/
04:29<Bartman007>BehiiMehii: 5.04
04:29<WildTurkey>i'm debian fan for my server
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04:29<BehiiMehii>I was close
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04:29<WildTurkey>but i like the ubuntu live cd make sure i'm gonna be happy with it on my laptop
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04:29<PiklesOnFire>WildTurkey, yes, they are close, but ubuntu changes (breaks) enough to make it different ;p
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04:29<WildTurkey>before i slap debian 5.0 on it
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04:29<PiklesOnFire>and BehiiMehii you want to install compiz and compiz-gnome
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04:30<Bartman007>WildTurkey: ubuntu 5.04 is in no way representative of the debian 5.0 experience (or equivalent ubuntu version either)
04:30*WildTurkey shuts up now
04:30<PiklesOnFire>BehiiMehii, possibly compizconfig-settings-manager and compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, compiz-fusion-plugins-man, and compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported
04:30<Bartman007>years of development have gone into everything involved since ubuntu 5.04 was release
04:30<WildTurkey>i didn't mean the 2
04:31<WildTurkey>i'm just using what i've got
04:31<BehiiMehii>Ah, thanks PiklesOnFire, the first two were the ones I needed. I've been off of Linux for a while, couldn't remember them :/ Lol
04:31<Bartman007>I'll shutup now too, since I missed your initial question. :)
04:31<PiklesOnFire>BehiiMehii, no worries, they change pkg names depending on what you use
04:31<WildTurkey>i'm debian fan by nature, Bartman007
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04:31<PiklesOnFire>Bartman007, yeah, WildTurkey's question was ok to ask in here. It wasn't ubuntu-centric, and can be solved by deb-heads
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04:32<Bartman007>PiklesOnFire: get out the tar and feathers, I'm ready
04:32<WildTurkey>i'm just using this stupid ubuntu live CD on my ibook before i wipe it
04:32<WildTurkey>i don't have any restore CD's
04:32<WildTurkey>my ex gf gave it to me, and i'm not going to ask for the discs
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04:33<WildTurkey>for she might ask for the dicks!
04:33<PiklesOnFire>Bartman007, why tar and feathers? :p
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04:33<PiklesOnFire>WildTurkey, your card is supported under Ubuntu, and Debian btw
04:34<Bartman007>PiklesOnFire: I started on a rant before I even knew the actual question
04:34<WildTurkey>yeah, i just gotta do a little work
04:34<PiklesOnFire>and search for 050d:7050
04:34<WildTurkey>i've found a nice looking how to
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04:34<WildTurkey>just gotta get going
04:34<WildTurkey>need coffee!!!!
04:34<PiklesOnFire>you just need to modprobe the right driver ;]
04:34<PiklesOnFire>it's 4:34am here, i need sleep ;p
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04:36<PiklesOnFire>btw - WildTurkey while you're using the LiveCD, you should create a debian install thumb drive ;p
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04:38<PiklesOnFire>oh, and Bartman007 no worries. I just don't like ppl being told they can't get support from us just because they use Ubuntu. esp when we're not that busy in here (not to you personally, it's just that's the second time that's happened today) ;p
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04:40<Bartman007>I was very particular to not say "This is #debian, go elsewhere" it was more a rant about the age of the distro used
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04:41<PiklesOnFire>Bartman007, sorry, i get things mixed up this time of the morning sometimes. someone else corrected the channel he should be in
04:41*PiklesOnFire apologizes
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04:45<talkabout>PiklesOnFire: i get this error when running "apt-get update" after replacing the whole sources.list : "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room"
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04:46<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, very common error, one sec
04:46<talkabout>can i send you links to paste bin to see the whole output?
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04:47<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, (as root) "nano /etc/apt/apt.conf" (replace nano w. fav editor and replace the quotes)
04:47<PiklesOnFire>no need ;p
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04:47<PiklesOnFire>and then just add "APT::Cache-Limit "8388608";" (again, omitting the enclosing quotes)
04:48<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, if you still get it try APT::Cache-Limit "16777216";
04:48<PiklesOnFire>double the size i just posted
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04:49<talkabout>/etc/apt/apt.conf doesn't exist :|
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04:50<PiklesOnFire>modify this file then: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf
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04:50<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, if you could, before you update, can you pastebin me your sources.list
04:50<BehiiMehii>How do I open .rpm files?
04:51<BehiiMehii>Trying to install some drivers, but I can't open them
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04:51<PiklesOnFire>BehiiMehii, RPMs are for redhat and it's variants, you can use alien to convert them to debs... i know you can also extract them, give me a moment to look up how
04:52<sassi>D'BehiiMehii: Try man rpm
04:52<BehiiMehii>Ah all right, thanks
04:52<BehiiMehii>PiklesOnFire, I don't really have a lot of time right now, so no worries
04:53<PiklesOnFire>BehiiMehii, what drivers are you trying to install? chances are there's a .deb for them
04:53<BehiiMehii>Some printer drivers, and their site only has the RPM
04:53<BehiiMehii>I have to get going now for a few, I'll be back later
04:53<PiklesOnFire>BehiiMehii, okie
04:53<BehiiMehii>Thanks for the help PiklesOnFire ;)
04:54<PiklesOnFire>any time
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04:54<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, btw - your sources.list looks good to me.
04:56<talkabout>PiklesOnFire :)
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04:56<talkabout>Segmentation faultsts... 0%
04:56<talkabout>damn :))
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04:58<nas>how do you change a file permission in /var/www with no sudo
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04:59<PiklesOnFire>nas use "su -" to become root, make the changes, then exit
04:59<nas>can only do sudo vi <filename>
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05:00<PiklesOnFire>nas, you mean, you want the file to be writable by your user/group?
05:00<nas>i want to edit the file
05:00<nas>i was able to create using the cmd above
05:00<tenzind>hi... why would i get an "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" error when i try to ssh into another machine?
05:00<nas>but i cannot edit
05:01<petern>you can't without sudo
05:01<PiklesOnFire>nas ^
05:01<nas>picklesonfire: yes i want the file to be writable by me
05:01<petern>but if you can sudo vi, can you not sudo chmod?
05:02<talkabout>PiklesOnFire: i getr that segfault error :|
05:02<talkabout>Segmentation faultsts... 0%
05:02<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, pastebin it for me plz? :]
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05:02<PiklesOnFire>the entire output
05:03<nas>i cannot sudo chmod or chown
05:03<nas>only sudo vi
05:03<PiklesOnFire>nas, what happens if you sudo chmod the file?
05:04<PiklesOnFire>ty talkabout
05:05<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, remove all the lines that you have commented out (since i'm assuming you're not going to be using them) (backup your orig. sources.list first though jic)
05:05<PiklesOnFire>then try it
05:06<nas>not allowed to execute '/bin/chown' as root
05:06<nas>not allowed to execute '/bin/chmod' as root
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05:06<petern>can you mv the file?
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05:06<talkabout>PiklesOnFire: i think it's ok to grep -v ^# the sources.list
05:06<petern>otherwise, i guess you need your sysadmin to fix it
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05:07<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, should work. just double check it ;p
05:07<talkabout>done, worked.
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05:08<talkabout>still segfault after checking repos
05:08<talkabout>Fetched 647B in 1s (482B/s)
05:08<PiklesOnFire>hm. you're using lenny yes?
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05:09<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, try apt-get clean then do you're update?
05:09<talkabout>still segfault
05:09<talkabout>ok, i'll remove "aliens"
05:10<PiklesOnFire>apt-get -f install?
05:10<talkabout>and leave only official mirros
05:10<talkabout>Segmentation faultsts... 0%
05:10<PiklesOnFire>yeah, try that, because i don't get the error w. my sources.list, but it's pretty vanilla
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05:14<talkabout>this was a woody release as i see from the old sources.list :|
05:14<talkabout>...#deb ... 3.0 r0 _Woody_ ...
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05:14<PiklesOnFire>oh wooooooow
05:15<frunsk>hi im using ntp to syncronize my clock... but it hasn't updated to daylight savings time
05:15<talkabout>Segmentation faultsts... 0%
05:16<talkabout>how can i manually remove all apt's cache?
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05:16<PiklesOnFire>apt-get --purge clean?
05:16<talkabout>rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* ? :D
05:16<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, that should work too
05:16<talkabout>Reading Package Lists... Done
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05:17<PiklesOnFire>rofl - you showed that stupid apt ;p
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05:17<PiklesOnFire>btw- aptitude ftw
05:17<talkabout>but.. still libssl-dev ain't gonna install :))
05:18<PiklesOnFire>why not?
05:18<PiklesOnFire>link meh
05:18<NakedApe>anyone running sid on a laptop and having problems with a lack of ACPI events?
05:18<NakedApe>(specifically a znote6625wd laptop)
05:19<PiklesOnFire>NakedApe, nope, but i'm running squeeze and having a similar issue ;p
05:19<talkabout>brb, gotta smoke, this apt related stuff is pissing me off :">
05:19<NakedApe>any ideas on where to start looking?
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05:19<PiklesOnFire>talkabout, i'm right there w. ya
05:20<NakedApe>my problem is that I get no events for unplugging AC, closing lid, power button etc
05:20<PiklesOnFire>and NakedApe nope, i haven't even BEGAN to dive into that yet, i just recently re-installed debian after Arch dropped fglrx support ;p
05:20<NakedApe>It did work with 2.6.28 but that got pulled :P
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05:20<PiklesOnFire>NakedApe, wow, you're lucky, if i unplug my ac, or plug it in, my screen goes black. i have to drop to a tty, then back to tty7 to get it back up and running.
05:21<NakedApe>well, I'm not running X currently
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05:21<NakedApe>this is a bottom-up install :)
05:21<PiklesOnFire>so was mine, i went up a lil too quickly though. lol
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05:21<NakedApe>but re-enabling display after sleep is another problem
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05:22<PiklesOnFire>oi, my box doesn't even suspend or hibernate right now.
05:22<NakedApe>s2disk works fine
05:22*PiklesOnFire bangs head on table as he remembers his own issues
05:22<NakedApe>s2ram works but doesn't turn on the backlight
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05:22<NakedApe>and I tried all the "majik switches" :)
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05:23<PiklesOnFire>NakedApe, what's your video card?
05:24<NakedApe>anyhow, regarding the ACPI problem: I get absolutely nothing under 2.6.26 and 2.6.29. I did get events under 2.6.28 but that got obsoleted and no kbuild was available for building proprietary drivers
05:24<NakedApe>nvidia 8600M GT
05:25<NakedApe>I tried enabling the /proc/acpi/event fs but it makes no difference
05:25<NakedApe>nothing is delivered to that socket either
05:26<NakedApe>so it might be a kernel problem
05:26<NakedApe>basically, I was wondering if A) this is a known problem and B) if anyone has spent any time troubleshooting it and could give me a headsup on where to look
05:27<NakedApe>but any input is appreciated
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05:27<PiklesOnFire>NakedApe, i'm looking into it now, see if i can help us both out at once ;p
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05:28<NakedApe>PiklesOnFire, roger that... I'll keep googling at my end too
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05:29<PiklesOnFire>NakedApe, I'm sure you've read this:
05:30<NakedApe>PiklesOnFire, actually I hadn't :)
05:30<NakedApe>but removing HAL seems like a harsh measure
05:30<PiklesOnFire>lemmie know if it helps at all. the acpi section seems promising
05:30<NakedApe>but it gave me a new idea on where to start looking, thanks!
05:30<PiklesOnFire>any time ;p
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05:34<PiklesOnFire>NakedApe, do you have the acpi-modules installed?
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05:36<NakedApe>I don't even have a package in my repos named acpi-modules
05:36<NakedApe>are you talking about the *.ko for ACPI?
05:36<NakedApe>if so: yes
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05:39<PiklesOnFire>i don't either, i saw it in a google search, sorry
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05:57<PiklesOnFire>thienhoang, hey
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05:58<Kr0m>hello everybody
05:58<PiklesOnFire>hey Kr0m
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05:59<Kr0m>i am running the 2.6.29 kernel, but i cant compile the madwifi modules
05:59<Kr0m>can anyody help me??
05:59<PiklesOnFire>&& hello knoppix_
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06:00<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, what version of Debian? and can you use pastebin to paste the errors for me?
06:00<Guest1081>Hello ^^
06:00<Kr0m>i am using debian lenny 5.0
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06:04<Kr0m>yes PiklesOnFire, i am pasting the error, one moment please
06:04<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, sorry didn't mean to rush ya
06:04<amol>hi to all,i am getting error while printing undefined in ESPwl
06:04<amol>(/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 3!
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06:05<amol>Printer busy; will retry in 30 seconds..."
06:05<Kr0m>PiklesOnFire, that is the error that i obtain when i try to compile:
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06:08<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, Lenny has the Atheros drivers in it (or it should) so you shouldn't need to compile madwifi, what prompted you to do this?
06:08<Kr0m>yes, i have tried that: module-assistant auto-install madwifi-source, but i obtain errors
06:09<PiklesOnFire>what is your wifi card?
06:09<Kr0m>the same errors, my wifi card is AR9280
06:10<PiklesOnFire>same errors, ok, gimmie a few mins to see what i can do...
06:11<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, can you try modprobe ath9k and see if your wifi works then?
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06:11<Kr0m>yes, i am now working with ath9k dirver compiled in the kernel as a module, but madwifi is more stable(or i think )
06:12<PiklesOnFire>ah, ok
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06:12<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, are you using any testing/squeeze/unstable/sid repos in your sources.list?
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06:13<Kr0m>no i am only using the repos that came with the netinstall cd
06:13<Kr0m>i havent added any more
06:13<PiklesOnFire>sweet, makes it a lil easier ;p
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06:13<user>hi all
06:13<PiklesOnFire>hi user
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06:14<Guest1084>Please I need some help with a gatway configuration
06:14<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, can you try m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi and see if you get the same error message
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06:14<Kr0m>my source.list here:
06:15<PiklesOnFire>lol, i believed you :p
06:15<Kr0m>PiklesOnFire, the same error
06:15<Guest1084>I have a server with 3 lan cards, is connected to internet router is the lan card I want to use as gateway in the lan and the card for the lan file server
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06:16<Guest1084>now if I ping all is ok
06:16<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, this may seem like a stupid question, but did you install your kernel's header files?
06:16<Guest1084>but if I transfer a file by I see the traffig go through (a 10mb lan card) so all internal traffic is very slow
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06:17<Kr0m>no, i think that if i have the source code of the kernel it is not necessary, isnt it??
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06:17<Guest1084>why all my traffic go through the default gateway interface ?
06:17<petemc>Guest1084: if the two cards are on the same subnet, what purpose does the second one have?
06:17<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, you'll still want it, just to be safe.
06:18<Guest1084>because I want to define some roles for the 192.168.253 the gateway lan card and different rules for the the lan card
06:18<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, and the madwifi-tools
06:18<Kr0m>with headers i have a little problem, i have downloaded the source code of the kernel from, and the headers that i can obtain from the repos are for 2.6.26 not for 2.6.29
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06:19<Guest1084>I don't understand why all traffic is on the also if I use for example \\\works
06:19<Kr0m>will be problems with that??
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06:19<Guest1084>if I do ifconfig I see all packets go to 192.168.1..253 and not 252
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06:20<Kr0m>PiklesOnFire, sorry for my english
06:20<NakedApe>Guest1084: because the cards are on the same subnet they are treated by the linux routing code as on the same collision domain
06:20<NakedApe>if you want traffic to go to only one, assign different subnets
06:20<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, possibly. uhm... I'm guessing you compiled your own kernel? (no apologies needed, your english is fine)
06:21<Guest1084>but I want them on subnet
06:21<Kr0m>PiklesOnFire, yes i have compiled my kernel because i need it for including the ath9k driver
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06:21<NakedApe>Guest1084: I don't think you do, really
06:21<Kr0m>PiklesOnFire, and it is funny
06:22<Guest1084>can I specify to use only for request for external IP
06:22<Guest1084>and use 252 for internal request only
06:22<PiklesOnFire>lol @ NakedApe - sry, i had to giggle about that "I don't think you do."
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06:23<Guest1084>also because I dont want internet traffic make slow the lan connection
06:23<NakedApe>ok, let's see if I understand your problem Guest1084: you want to make a machine "dual homed" so that it has two connections; one to the LAN and one to the internet at large?
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06:24<Kr0m>PiklesOnFire, sorry but i dont understand that comment: Kr0m, possibly. uhm... I'm guessing you compiled your own kernel? (no apologies needed, your english is fine)
06:24<Guest1084>I want the internet traffic go through 253 and lan traffic on 252 so internet don't impact lan speed
06:24<NakedApe>and you only have on local network inside the router?
06:24<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, you apologized for you english, but there is no need to.
06:24<Kr0m> No sorry that comment: lol @ NakedApe - sry, i had to giggle about that "I don't think you do."
06:25<PiklesOnFire>oh, that one, haha, it's just because of the way he was trying to get his point across ;p
06:25<NakedApe>ok, Guest1084, it should still work but it isn't really a good solution because the bandwidth contest will still occur
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06:26<debam>hi to all,after configuring CUPS ipp server,client is able to print only 1 page after that status of job is printing but actually it is nnot printing till restart of system
06:27<Guest1084>I though the traffic on 252 should be indipendent from the 243
06:27<NakedApe>so basically you get *.10.100 for your LAN client, *.1.253 for your LAN port on the server and *.2.253 for your WAN port on server
06:27<debam>is there anyproblem in CUPS ??
06:27<PiklesOnFire>Kr0m, I think if you use the default kernel to compile you'll be ok, assuming you still have it in your boot options and still have it around, you can use that kernel to compile the madwifi. sorry i can't come up with anything better
06:27<NakedApe>routing only concerns itself with networks, never adresses
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06:28<Kr0m>PiklesOnFire, dont worry, thank you for your help and your time, i will try it, i have to go now, ;)
06:28<PiklesOnFire>any time Kr0m peace :]
06:28<NakedApe>Guest1084, also, you'll need to forward connections from the Internet to the *.2.253 address
06:28<Guest1084>no, sorry, my router is, on the server I have and then I use iptables to forward traffic from 1.253 to 10.100
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06:29<NakedApe>and you need to modify DNS lookups for LAN hosts to get the *.1.253 address
06:29<NakedApe>ah well, you get the idea
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06:29<PiklesOnFire>brb guys.
06:29<NakedApe>(I hope)
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06:30<NakedApe>As I said, traffic will still occur on the same physical link
06:30<NakedApe>so there will be "contention"
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06:30<NakedApe>the only way to avoid that is to have a router with more than one internal network
06:30<Guest1084>so your suggestion is to have only 1 lan card on
06:30<NakedApe>but I fear that might be a bit out of your scope at this point
06:30<debam>enouf, hi ..i am getting error while printing from client side ..
06:31<NakedApe>it won't make any difference for performance
06:31<debam>enouf, i have shared printer using CUPS
06:31<NakedApe>as far as I can see at least
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06:31<Guest1084>I though was more "elegant" solution to have separate lan card for lan and gateway
06:32<Guest1084>so the same card work as gateway and lan card for file server
06:32<Guest1084>what I don't understand is why if I specify then traffic go on 253
06:33<Guest1084>only to undestand... :)
06:33<Guest1084>if I copy a file on \\\work I see traffic go on :(
06:34<NakedApe>Guest1084, basically, because routing only concerns itself with network addresses and not host addresses it masks of the host part and thus and (with a /24 mask) becomes the same address
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06:36<PiklesOnFire>NakedApe, btw acpi is working, my screen is still staying black though
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06:36<Guest1084>I see
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06:36<NakedApe>well, I'd settle for ACPI events... I can live without s2ram :P
06:37<Guest1084>so basicaly it make no sense to have different lan card on a server in the same subnet
06:37<NakedApe>Guest1084: correct
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06:37<PiklesOnFire>NakedApe, when you installed your system, did you select laptop as one of the "tasks"
06:37<Guest1084>I have to reconfigure all
06:37<NakedApe>PiklesOnFire: yes
06:38<Guest1084>no way to force traffic on 252 without to remove the card ?
06:38<Guest1084>because 252 is on 1gbit lan
06:38<Guest1084>and 253 is only 10/100 card
06:38<PiklesOnFire>NakedApe, try installing yacpi and running it, and see if you get anything from that
06:38<NakedApe>Guest1084 well, you can, but it won't serve any purpose (for performance OR security)
06:39<NakedApe>and I would advice against it
06:39<NakedApe>as it'll probably cause you more headaches than it is worth
06:39<Guest1084>because my server is farway and I like to make a soft configuration and not hw configuration
06:40<Guest1084>and all PC in the lan has 253 as default gatewayy...
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06:40<NakedApe>PiklesOnFire: same nothing happens :)
06:40<Guest1084>I don't want to modify all clients
06:40<Guest1084>(we are without dhcp)
06:40<NakedApe>Guest1084: If this is really an important issue I suggest you look into a more capable router
06:41<PiklesOnFire>oi, it's almost 7am, i gotta get some sleep. peace all
06:41<Guest1084>more capable ?
06:41<NakedApe>one that can route between two or more local networks
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06:42<NakedApe>this usually rules out SOHO devices and puts you in the small business price range :(
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06:42<NakedApe>my solution has been to build my own router/firewall/gateway
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06:43<NakedApe>and a spare PC from yesteryear with the proper software and a few $10 NICs can go a long way :)
06:43<NakedApe>though it might not be a ver "green" solution
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06:45<Guest1084>I see
06:46<Guest1084>I am looking multihomed server docs
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06:48<NakedApe>like I said there's nothing stopping you from going multihomed on a single segment but there is nothing to be gained either (and a rather substantial increase in configuration burden).
06:49<NakedApe>but the only way to actually resolve that is to read up on the issues (what you're doing now) and make an (more) informed decision
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06:58<seven__>suggestions for the best 'itunes' clone for debian ?
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06:59<Guest1084>question: can I add a route rule on client so that any request to 192.168.1.x use as gateway ?
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07:01<NakedApe>but you can't have more than one route entry for
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07:02<NakedApe>Guest1084: actually you can, but only one will be active
07:02<NakedApe>in any predictable fashion
07:02<seven__>petern, can mpg123 decently shuffle a nested directory? I'd like to randomly play all mp3's from my external hd, I used to play files from a directory with mpg123 -z *.mp3, but I suppose it won't go deeper in the dir's then
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07:03<NakedApe>I'm not up to speed with what happens when multiple entries have the same destination and metric
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07:04<NakedApe>Guest1084, it seems that route actually accepts a /32 netmask
07:04<NakedApe>that might be useful to you
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07:05<Guest1084>ok I wll see :)
07:05<Guest1084>I am not so skilled in network so many thanks for your patient with me :)
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07:12<Guest1084>I finally undestand, is an ARP problem
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07:13<Guest1084>Linux implements the "weak end host model", in which the addresses of
07:13<Guest1084>the system are a property of the *host*, not of the *interface*.
07:13<Guest1084>This means, for example, that it is going to ARP for all your IP
07:13<Guest1084>addresses on a single physical device per physical segment.
07:13<Guest1084>is this correct ?
07:14<Guest1084>I think I have to remove one nic
07:14<NakedApe>that sounds about right yeah
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07:14<NakedApe>though I have to admit I'm not entirely up to speed on the details of that issue
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07:16<NakedApe>but instinctively I feel that it would not matter which host model was used
07:16<NakedApe>since ARP requests would be sent on both interfaces if they have the same network address
07:18<Guest1084>but only one is used
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07:20<NakedApe>if we're still talking about your current configuration (*.1.253/*.1.252) then no; ARP requests will be sent on both when ARP cache is stale
07:21<Guest1084>mmm but all traffic goes through 253 the packets on 252 are always the same, no traffic on this card
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07:22<NakedApe>well, that might be pure coincidence due to scheduling in the network stack
07:22<NakedApe>I don't really dare speculate about that
07:22<donza>im just building the new irssi from source, should i just apt-get remove old one and then make install new one?
07:23<donza>or what is the correct way of installing on debian?
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07:23<NakedApe>donza: if you "make install" it to /usr/local you should be able to have both
07:24<NakedApe>ofc, you can remove debian package if you don't need it anymore
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07:24<NakedApe>but you need to pay attention to where configs and shared files are stored if you want to use those from the debian package
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07:25<NakedApe>so the answer is "it depends on your exact needs" :)
07:25<NakedApe>however: debian never installs anything in /usr/local/ so that's your domain to rule as you wish
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07:35<zhao>hello everyone
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07:41<seven__>hmm any idea why I cannot switch to a console using ctrl + alt + Fkeys ?
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07:41<prahal>debam: lenny ?
07:41<prahal>and which printer ? that is to guess which cups driver is used
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07:43<NakedApe>seven__: macbook or other laptop with odd function key handling?
07:43<NakedApe>you may have to press some additional modifier to make F* behave as a function key
07:43<seven__>NakedApe, not at all, just a desktop running gnome and debian 5 (testing)
07:44<seven__>the odd stuff like volume up and volume down does work though :p strange stuff
07:44<NakedApe>and ofc you have tried different VTYs to make sure you didn't actually hit the one X is running on? :)
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07:44<seven__>indeed I did :)
07:44<NakedApe>does FKeys work as expected inside X?
07:45<seven__>yes, I tried F1 and it conveniently opens up a help window for that program
07:45<NakedApe>and some vague memory from way-back-when tells me there's a configuration option for this
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07:45<seven__>on that note, when I press backspace; I don't go back a page either in my webbrowser
07:45<NakedApe>but I can't really see why it would've changed from the "sane defaults"
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07:48<NakedApe>seven__: check your xorg.conf (if you have one) for the DontVTSwitch option
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07:49<seven__>no such option there
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07:50<seven__>does it matter that I'm using the nvidia-drivers with dualscreen and twinview options enabled?
07:50<NakedApe>ok, what does XkbLayout say?
07:50<NakedApe>not sure, but I don't think it matters
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07:51<seven__>no such program installed, want me to fetch it ?
07:51<NakedApe>no, it's an xorg option
07:51<NakedApe>if I wasn't being clear
07:51<NakedApe>in xorg.conf
07:51<seven__>no problem, I've been out of the linux scene for several yeqrs
07:52<seven__>just came back so some things are still far away hehe
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07:53<seven__>Identifier "Keyboard0"
07:53<seven__> Driver "kbd"
07:53<seven__>is the only thing regarding my keyboard in xorg.conf
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07:55<NakedApe>you might want to add the correct model and layout for your keyboard
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07:55<NakedApe>probably best done through the preferences menu if you're not a editor-and-conf-file jockey :)
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07:56<seven__>yeah, I kinda configured my keyboard layout the dirty way during the installation; just took the default english options and did a setxkbmap be for my belgian layout
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07:56<NakedApe>I found a post saying that this VT-switching problem was caused by an invalid xkblayout entry so a non-existant one might be a warning flag as well
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08:00<seven__>kay, I'll try to search some forums for a solution :) tnx for your effort anyway
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08:03<polydory>hi to all! Can i ask?
08:04<vitamin4o1>(beer) first :D
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08:06<polydory>I have got a few problems with my ps3 and debian.
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08:07<polydory>Only i did install is an live cd of kenshy and can not upgrade it.The rest of debian ppc does not run.Why?
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08:09<lepassive> Hi I don't find packages in synaptic! though i can install it from apt-get directly ?? I'm sorry i'm using ubuntu but i'm really stuck and can't find solution in #ubuntu
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08:10<polydory>lepassive: Try to update sources from menu bar
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08:11<lepassive>polydory, I can't find update sources in the menubar
08:11<polydory>I don´t remember but think there is an option whose permit it
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08:12<polydory>is an front end to sources.list for apt
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08:12<hyperair>hi. does debian's kernel have selinux compiled in?
08:13<lepassive>polydory, apt-get works fine, but synaptic don't populate the packages in repos, i tried to issue searches on common packages like kde haskell and no results pops up
08:13<polydory>sorry i have not got idea.My knowledge is too small...
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08:16<polydory>any one could give me an howto on lenny an ps3 (do not worry about difficult)?
08:16<anjelradko>hi,how install nvidia gtx260 on lenny? how packages i need? thanks all
08:17<adb>!tel polydory about ps3
08:18<adb>!tel anjelradko about m-a
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08:18<lepassive>should i move to Debian instead of ubuntu ?
08:18<adb>!tel anjelradko about nvidia
08:18<NakedApe>lepassive, the "Reload" button should refresh your package cache
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08:19<polydory>i am tryin to install an lenny on ps3 and when it boot crashes.I dont know what to do
08:19<lepassive>NakedApe, It sounds not to :(
08:19<anjelradko>och :(
08:19<anjelradko>no help
08:19<adb>lepassive: fix your sources
08:20<adb>how ?, i dunno
08:20<lepassive>adb, it's fixed.. that why apt-get works well
08:20<NakedApe>if apt-get/aptitude finds the package the sources should be ok
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08:20<NakedApe>and clicking "Reload" does not fix the problem?
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08:21<adb>lepassive: install using aptitude
08:21<lepassive>NakedApe, yes it does and synaptic still search-effectiveless
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08:22<NakedApe>and if you look at the repos in synaptic, do they match what you have in sources.list and sources.d?
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08:23<toussaint>hi. i did an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on squeeze/sid just now, and now apt-get suggests I can 'autoremove' a lot of packages like gnome (meta), gnome-network-admin and e.g. rhythmbox. Which seems strange to me, after all I want to preserve my desktop-environment. anybody know what is happening?
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08:24<lepassive>adb, I'll use it for a while until a fix is made as there alot of complaints about that in #ubuntu
08:24<lepassive>NakedApe, yes they do match
08:25<adb>mon cher , passe a debian alors
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08:25<NakedApe>lepassive, ok. I can only assume that it is a ubuntu specific problem then
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08:25<NakedApe>searching works alright in synaptic for me
08:25<simonrvn>adb: on a deja passe a debian, duh :P
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08:26<lepassive>adb, my only second language was german :(
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08:26<lepassive>NakedApe, okay thanks so much you and adb for your patience and help
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08:26<lepassive>sounds #debian is more friendly than #haskell :)
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08:27<NakedApe>well, considering the nature of the problem that doesn't surprise me :)
08:27<NakedApe>now, #ubuntu on the other hand... ;)
08:28<Owner>Hi all I am lookin for a was to view previews of websites contained in a folder. Does anyone know software that can do this.?
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08:28<lepassive>I've to go now thanks again bye bye
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08:32<polydory>any one could give me an howto on lenny an ps3 (do not worry about difficult)?
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08:33<Cozzie>Hello, can anyone help me with installing a package that is missing dependiences
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08:34<k0w>Cozzie : pastebin the error, please
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08:36<Cozzie>Im running Sid. and when I 'apt-get install tomboy' it says the dependency libgnome2.0-cil is not installable.
08:36<Cozzie>is there a way to ignore it.. i dont care about conserquences
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08:37<simonrvn>um, it won't run without it... *it* won't "care" about you not caring about "consquences"
08:38<simonrvn>deps exist for a reason
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08:39<Cozzie>thats fine, i dont need it to run...
08:39<NakedApe>Cozzie, also in sid it's usually only temporary as packages change names or versions
08:39<k0w>Me myself have a problem: I run apps. through anon-proxy; all ok until today; when I try to connect any browser, ssh, etc. I get "proxy server is rejecting connections".. anon-proxy is running, I am no expert at all... thanks...
08:39<simonrvn>why install it then?
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08:40<Cozzie>i just need it.. Can it be done? please
08:40<azeem_>Cozzie: you need it for what?
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08:42<Cozzie>thats only part of it... Im actually trying to install 'Gnome' and because of one dependency in tomboy, i cannot install gnome.
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08:43<azeem>Cozzie: so install everything else
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08:43<NakedApe>tomboy is not a dep for gnome
08:43<NakedApe>it's a recommends
08:44<azeem>are you sure?
08:44<Cozzie>when I 'apt-get install gnome' it says tomboy cannot be installed so it doesnt istall anything
08:44<NakedApe>do aptitude -R gnome
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08:44<azeem>you won't get gnome-office etc. then either
08:44<NakedApe>at least it is listed under recommends by aptitude and I tend to trust that :)
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08:45<Cozzie>NakedApe: that doesnt seem to be a valid command in aptitude
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08:45<NakedApe>aptitude -R install gnome ofc
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08:47<NakedApe>then "aptitude show gnome | grep -A5 ^Recommends" to see the other recommended packages
08:47<k0w>Any ide bout how can I check why my proxy (anon-proxy) may be rejecting my connections, please?
08:47<NakedApe>if there's anything in there you want to try to add
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08:48<k0w>and, this is very weird, when I configure icewesel to go through tor or anon-proxy, it connects directly to Internet and ignores my proxy completely??
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08:49<Cozzie>still no luck. It states: 'The following packages have unmet dependencies: tomboy: depends: libgnome2.0-cil'
08:50<Cozzie>Keep the following packages at their current verson: tomboy [not installed]
08:51<NakedApe>you did use "-R" right, not "-r"?
08:51<NakedApe>I just updated and tomboy most certainly is a recommends in my database
08:52<NakedApe>and -R should stop aptitude from treating that as a dependency
08:52<NakedApe>but my mirror could be lagging
08:53<NakedApe>check "aptitude show gnome" output to see if it is listed as a dependency in your database
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08:54<azeem>Cozzie: what does "dpkg -l tombody | tail -1" say?
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08:55<Cozzie>No packages found matching tomboy
08:55<k0w>I know there was some proble m with tomboy, wait i 'll google it..
08:56<k0w>here, I s for Ubuntu , some friend had a prob. with this....
08:56<k0w>No idea if in Deb is same problem, sorry..
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08:57<NakedApe>for what it's worth I have libgnome2.0-cil installed at 2.20.1-1
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08:58<NakedApe>Cozzie: pastebin your sources.list
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08:59<stuckey>Does anyone know how to mount an external flash USB drive; it isn't showing up in DMESG or when I run "fdisk -l".
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09:02<Cozzie>NakedApe: Im just going to leave it. I will just reinstall a copy of stable, and upgrade to unstable w/ dist-update
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09:05<azeem>Cozzie: you won't be able to upgrade either I guess, at least not tomboy
09:05<azeem>just wait a few days until the problem is fixed and meditate over why you have to use unstable
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09:06<NakedApe>azeem: there is no problem with that library or tomboy on my system
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09:06<NakedApe>I'm guessing he somehow botched his repos
09:06<Cozzie>The only real reason i use unstable is to have a kernel higher then 2.6.26, so aircrack-ng works without patching
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09:07<Cozzie>i did a fresh install from a businesscard.iso
09:08<azeem>that's not a very good reason to upgrade to unstable
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09:11<Cozzie>I will stick to stable for now on. thx for the help guys. tc
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09:13<zxd>how do i force packages to be installed without their recommends by default
09:13<zxd>a config option in apt.conf ?
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09:13<NakedApe>zxd -R option to aptitude
09:14<gsimmons>!tell zxd -about apt recommends
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09:14<p1n0>con vsftpd non riesco a cambiare permessi ai file uploadati, qualche idea?
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09:14<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:16<zxd>APT::Install-Recommends no or APT::Install-Recommends false ?
09:16<gsimmons>zxd: Either is fine.
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09:18<zxd>gsimmons, can I add a file to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ instead?
09:19<PiklesOnFire>zxd that would work too
09:19<gsimmons>zxd: Sure.
09:19<zxd>what if I have multiplie entries that conflict each other in other files
09:20<zxd>config options in this directory
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09:23<seven__>hm a cat /proc/meminfo shows me a MemTotal of 3031760 kB; but I have 4 gigs installed
09:23<seven__>and I'm running 64 bit version
09:23<seven__>what gives?
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09:24<gsimmons>zxd: Why would you have multiple entries with that specific option set?
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09:25<zxd>just wondering how it works
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09:25<gsimmons>zxd: man apt.conf, then.
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09:30<zxd>is suggests the same as recommends?
09:30<snogglethorpe>seven__: i'm never sure exactly that that number correpsonds to
09:31<snogglethorpe>seven__: but for instance, it may not include memory used for video cards
09:31<snogglethorpe>(if the vid card uses system memory)
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09:31<snogglethorpe>and maybe not kernel memory?
09:31<NakedApe>it seems to include the entire installed memory
09:32<snogglethorpe>NakedApe: hmm, but it's _never_ equal to the installed memory, on any system i've ever looked on
09:32<NakedApe>my machine reports 8202424 kB and I have 8GB installed (running amd64)
09:32<snogglethorpe>NakedApe: so it's clearly omitting something
09:32<NakedApe>in my case it reports a little too much even :)
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09:32<snogglethorpe>hm in your case, it's missing about 181KB
09:33<NakedApe>uhm, yeah
09:33<PiklesOnFire>snogglethorpe, mine reports 2075252 kB, and i have 2Gigs
09:33<snogglethorpe>(8GB is 8,388,608MB)
09:33<NakedApe>ignore my math, too much blood in my caffeine-stream
09:33<petern>snogglethorpe, units
09:33<PiklesOnFire>mine is about accurate
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09:34<petern>8GB is 8192MB
09:34<PiklesOnFire>snogglethorpe, idk, yours is way off though
09:34<PiklesOnFire>petern, to the people who make the hardware, it's 8000Mb give or take
09:35<snogglethorpe>in my case, I have 256MB used by the video chip, and there's 128MB "missing" in addition to that
09:35<petern>no it's not
09:35<PiklesOnFire>to true geeks it's 8192. lol
09:35<snogglethorpe>on AMD processors, there seems to be some missing memory due to <blah> issues
09:35<snogglethorpe>but the boot messages only say it's 64MB
09:35<petern>PiklesOnFire, that's only the case for storage, not memory
09:36<snogglethorpe>(e.g., dmesg says: "Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup; This costs you 64 MB of RAM")
09:36<petern>MemTotal: 4091844 kB
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09:36<snogglethorpe>(of course, BIOS has no IOMMU option...)
09:36<petern>snogglethorpe, yeah, i get that... and indeed, it doesn't.
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09:37<snogglethorpe>petern: i'm guessing it's just missing IOMMU support for AMD processors
09:37<snogglethorpe>(in the kernel)
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09:39<petern>it's not a kernel problem, it's a bios issue
09:41<NakedApe>do you have "memory remapping" turned on in BIOS?
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09:42<NakedApe>I'm thinking maybe the mobo-manufacturers skimped on options and bundled the remapping and IOMMU "switches" into one
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09:44<petern>no options like that at all, heh
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09:48<NakedApe>PiklesOnFire: a little progress report on the ACPI problem: it now seems to work, the issue was a leftover acpi=noirq bootparam
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09:50<PiklesOnFire>NakedApe, awesome, i also got everything working properly, i just had to reinstall a few packages
09:50<NakedApe>well, display still won't turn on after suspend
09:50<NakedApe>so I'm still looking for a solution to that
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09:51<PiklesOnFire>Mine is still going black on an ac unplug
09:51<PiklesOnFire>or an ac replug
09:51<PiklesOnFire>but switching to a diff tty seems to fix it, so i'm ok w. it for now
09:52<NakedApe>anyone with a nvidia 8600M GT that has s2ram working should feel free to contribute the s2ram quirk that enabled it for them :)
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10:06<xente>anyone know why the fast-user-switch is gone?
10:07<xente>err.....that is fast-user-switch-applet for gnome
10:07<petern>did you install it?
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10:07<petern>assuming you're talking about lenny, it is installable
10:07<xente>yes...but it seems that there are broken dependencies in the latest squeeze update.......I should have looked further before I asked
10:08<xente>thanks, though
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10:38<Cadmium02>Does anyone use xmonad here?
10:38<Cadmium02>left lt +shift +enter dont do squat, so I was wondering what's wrong
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10:44<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:45<ml>Cadmium02: left lt?
10:45<Cadmium02>left alt
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10:45<ml>you mean mod-shift-enter
10:45<Cadmium02>ml, it says in docs left alt is the 'mod' key, so mod + shift + enter should launch terminal
10:45<Cadmium02>ml, yes
10:46<ml>Cadmium02: yes it should launch the terminal
10:46<Cadmium02>ml I press left alt and shift and enter and it does not launch anything
10:46<ml>what is your default terminal
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10:46<Cadmium02>gnome terminal
10:47<ml>did you try right alt?
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10:47<ml>Cadmium02: have you defined mod key in your hs?
10:47<Cadmium02>ml, I havfe not defined anything
10:48<Cadmium02>just killed gnomes default window manager and typed xmonad & in gnome terminal to start it
10:48<ml>Cadmium02: so you have noc ~/.xmonad dir or xmond.hs?
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10:49<Cadmium02>ml no such file in ~
10:49<Cadmium02>ml, I just apt-get installed it on this comp, maybe should launch it first
10:49<Cadmium02>killall metacity; xmonad & <- this look just abot right?
10:50<Cadmium02>I will loose my xchat if I do it so, if you want to tell me something, tell me now :)
10:51<ml>Cadmium02: I don't use it with gnome so I can't say....
10:51<ml>but take a look at this ...
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10:52<ml>Cadmium02: I don't use it with gnome so I can't say....
10:52<ml>but take a look at this ...
10:53<Cadmium01>yeah, ml it looks like I'm doing it right... killing metacity and launching xmonad
10:53<Cadmium01>ml, but cant launch terminal
10:53<ml>Cadmium01: you ask in #xmonad on freenode
10:54<Cadmium01>ml, good point, thx
10:55<ml>Cadmium01: # update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator <--- and select the one you want
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10:56<ml>Cadmium01: Cadmium01 then try to luanch the terminal
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10:58<ml>Cadmium01: this will help you get started ... and
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11:04<ml>Cadmium01: did you see my last msg?
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11:04<Cadmium01>ml, with configuration link?
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11:05<ml>Cadmium01: and tour
11:05<ml>Cadmium01: this will help you get started ... and
11:05<Cadmium01>ml, yep, thanks, reading it now
11:06<ml>Cadmium01: plus you need to read the gnome one also np ;)
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11:07<Boter>i have problem with grub
11:07<Boter>i recently updated on 2.6, added to menu.lst but when i boot, there is no 2.6, only old 2.4 kernel
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11:09<petern>running "update-grub" generally does everything for you
11:11<Boter>is ok what 5 line says?
11:11<petern>that's fine
11:12<Boter>ok tnx
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11:12<Boter>i hope it boots up, it's a server :)
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11:16<Boter>it's still old 2.4
11:16<Boter>uname -a
11:16<Boter>Linux snowflake #1 SMP Mon Apr 2 19:39:39 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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11:18<Boter>petern any idea?
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11:20<zem>i think something is wrong with my temperature readings in debian, any ideas?
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11:26<alo>quien eres
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11:27<Boter>i'm not at the location but as i remember there was no 2.6 on menu.lst
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11:29<stew>Boter: have you run 'update-grub'?
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11:32<Boter>this was the output
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11:37<stew>Boter: and cna you show us the actual menu.lst?
11:37<Boter>1 mom
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11:38<Boter>this is it
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11:39<Boter>but hmm
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11:39<Boter>Linux snowflake #1 SMP Mon Apr 2 19:39:39 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
11:39<Boter>it boots this Oo
11:39<Boter>it's not even on menu.lst
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11:40<stew>sounds like you are looking at the wrong /boot directory
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11:40<Boter>locate menu.lst returns only this location
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11:42<Boter>i don't get it how is this possible
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11:42<stew>Boter: perhaps on an unmounted partitoin?
11:42<stew>Boter: can you find that kernel?
11:43<Boter>just trying
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11:45<Boter>actually yes, i created it so i have .deb and sourches
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11:45<Boter>on the same partition
11:46<Boter>maybe because of grsec?
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11:48<Tuplad>if I enter a catalog, how can I search for a word in all text files that are in the folder ?
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12:07<alo>quien eres
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12:08<alo>te he prguntado quien eres
12:09<alo>quien eres
12:09<alo>como te llamas
12:09<alo>de donde eres
12:09<alo>cuantos años tienes
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12:25<mibu666>Bonsoir à tous
12:25<mibu666>j'ai une petite question bidon :
12:25<mibu666>je viens d'installer une debian 5 en virtuel (qemu) et je voudrais augmenter la résolution de l'affichage. Avez-vous une direction à me donner
12:25<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
12:25<adb>passe sur #debian-fr stp
12:25<mibu666>j'y suis déjà
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12:29<mibu666>ça réagit pas des masses sur le chan fr
12:29<azeem>mibu666: this is an english language channel
12:30<shinobi>merhaba arkadaşlar nasılsınız
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12:30<dpkg>methinks tr is türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
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12:31<mibu666>ok, sorry
12:32<pjwaffle>Why is debian so outdated even on sid? Is there like a repository that has the newest packages? If not I may make my own...
12:32<pjwaffle>no offense btw
12:32<azeem>pjwaffle: there's no other repository usually
12:32<stew>pjwaffle: you'll have to be more specific. what exactly is outdated?
12:32<pjwaffle>that's the only reason I am not a major debian user
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12:32<pjwaffle>well for example on sid the latest kernel is 2.6.26
12:32<azeem>eh, no
12:33<stew>pjwaffle: no, its 2.6.29
12:33<stew>judd: kernels
12:33<judd>stew: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-2~snapshot.12850); sid: 2.6.28-1-686 (2.6.28-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); lenny: 2.6.26-1-686 (2.6.26-13); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
12:33<pjwaffle>oh maybe I misread it :( oops
12:33<stew>bah, that is outdated
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12:34<pjwaffle>but anyway how do you upgrade to sid? add to sources.lst and dist-upgrade or what?
12:34<azeem>pjwaffle: if you have to ask you shouldn't
12:35<pjwaffle>well sid documentation is reletavely low just checking (sorry for misspelling my spellchecker is broken)
12:35<fxiny>go go , sid is a nice ... avenger :P
12:35<fxiny>outdated :P
12:35<stew>pjwaffle: yes, sid is meant for people that already know what they are doing
12:35<pjwaffle>:P I watched toy story when I was little I can't remember it
12:35<stew>pjwaffle: which is why we actively discourage people from using it
12:36<pjwaffle>stew: well I kind of do it's just occasionally I like to read documentation to check I am doing it right
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12:37<pjwaffle>I acctually enjoy experimental packages and I am a fan of the rolling release model
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12:37<pjwaffle>I do have an idea for a rolling release model for debian you know how there's stable, oldstable? well why not let those be rolling too?
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12:38<pjwaffle>and just use stable packages
12:38<stew>pjwaffle: becuase that is exactly the opposite of what we mean by stable
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12:38<pjwaffle>the dinosaur should be oldstable and woody can be stable :P and leave it at that
12:39<pjwaffle>it is so hard upgrading to a new release (well not really but for new users maybe)
12:39<polydory>sorry for disturbing.Any suggest reading for knowing much about debian? Thanks a lot.
12:39<stew>pjwaffle: the debian 'stable' distribution gets the tag 'stable' becuase we mean stable in the sense that it doesn't change, not stable in the sense that it doesn't crash, the fact that it crashes less is just a good by-product
12:39<azeem>polydory: try "The Debian System" by Martin F. Krafft
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12:39<stew>polydory: or the debian reference:
12:39<pjwaffle>polydory: linux bible's a good one but it's more general but it has a nice chapter on debian
12:40<pjwaffle>stew: ah ok I thought it meant not crashy :P
12:40<polydory>thx guys
12:40<bicker>can somebody tell me how should look containing of an sources.list ? i want to be able to install any kind of pakages
12:40<stew>bicker: /msg dpkg sources.list
12:40<zem>i think something is wrong with my temperature readings in debian, any ideas?
12:42<bicker>and can you help me with a documentation to reinstall the kernel, something step by step for beginers ?
12:42<stew>bicker: why do you want to reinstall the kenrel?
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12:43<LiCeT>hi all
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12:44<bicker>i put in my pc another lan card, i think it is 3com , and vhen i run ifconfig it show me just 1 card nextgigabit i think there is no driver for my new kard and i don-t wish tu reinstall my sistem
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12:45<bicker>it is another way to resolve my problem ?
12:46<polydory>sorry again.Debian reference looks nice but and extensive guide for installing.Preferred multiarch?
12:46<llutz>bicker: try "ifconfig -a"
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12:52<pjwaffle>by the way how do you mirror a debian repo?
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12:53<dr|z3d>pjwaffle: apt-mirror
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13:00<Marrichi>br ?
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13:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:07<pester>hi. i'm noticing that /etc/modprobe.d/sound does not exist on my system. i have to run alsaconf after each reboot/cold boot. i don't know if the two are related or not.
13:07<pester> ...what is /etc/modprobe.d/sound supposed to contain anyhow?
13:08<polydory>thanks a lot guys.I must to go.SeYa
13:08<fxiny>is an ASCII text , card alias and options
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13:33<joeStar>hi there, I have a problem with epiphany in debian testing: most of my favicons (in bookmarks) have gone away. If I $rm ~/.gnome2/epiphany/ephy-favicon-cache.xml and then run epiphany they turn back, but when I close it and re-open it, they disappear. Any idea?
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13:55<acidrain>testdisk tampoco
13:55<acidrain>si es k me dsigue dejando el lilo en el mbr de hda1
13:56<acidrain>yo me parto
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13:57<erKURITA>acidrain wrong chat I believe
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13:58<acidrain>do you thinks it's better bricosex tapper channel ? are you sure ?
13:58<francesco>how to launch adept as daemon ?
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13:58<dr|z3d>!ops acidrain is trolling!
13:58<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: acidrain is trolling!
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13:59<erKURITA>should I have redirected him to debian-es ?
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14:00<erKURITA>great :D
14:00<ranix>I don't know if that was really trolling
14:01<ranix>trolling would be more like, "My wireless card just works in Ubuntu" or "stew is abusing his mod powers"
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14:02<Hydroxide>whatever it was, it wasn't right for here
14:02<syntech>your moms a wireless card
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14:02<ranix>syntech: well your nose a hamster
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14:04*stew "a2enmod powers" and abuses mod_powers
14:04<ranix>this stew has super cow powers
14:05<stew>that would be a beef stew, not this stew
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14:05<Hydroxide>what kind of stew? I like ratatouille
14:05*fxiny steps into surrealism watching Bunuel
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14:06<syntech>your moms a stew
14:06<Hydroxide>ok, let's all stop :)
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14:07<syntech>does linux always have to look so ugly :(
14:08<adama>now that's a troll
14:08<fxiny>the way i like it
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14:08<ranix>see syntech is trolling
14:08*ranix high-fives syntech
14:08<syntech>i'm just screwing around
14:08<ranix>I must be in freenode
14:08<ranix>whoa this is oftc
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14:09<fxiny>what non-ugly is supposed to be ? wags garnments ? eyecandy ? :P
14:09<syntech>yeah eyecandy
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14:09<ranix>he wants his computer to look like this
14:10<fxiny>i'm totally tiled up
14:10<fxiny>in the tiling wm sense
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14:13<fxiny>ranix: unaceptable : she's not Rachael !
14:13<ranix>fxiny: not familiar with that
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14:13<fxiny>ranix: blade runner ?
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14:14<ranix>fxiny: sorry, I feel bad because I am bad. I have never seen blade runner
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14:16<fxiny>ranix: can't find a better looking female bot , beside dpkg :P
14:17<adama>number 6?
14:17<LiCeT>want to make "chmod a+rw" on parport0 but it get default when i reboot
14:17<ranix>fxiny: Jag känner en bott, hon heter dpkg, dpkg heter hon?
14:17<LiCeT>how can i do it on boot?
14:17<ranix>(Och hon kan banna, banna dig så hårt)
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14:20<valdyn>LiCeT: why would you do it at all?
14:20<LiCeT>my scanner dont work as "normal" user without it
14:21<LiCeT>or do you have an better way?
14:21<valdyn>LiCeT: yes
14:21<LiCeT>sounds good to me :)
14:21<valdyn>LiCeT: sane has its own group permitting users to scan
14:21<erKURITA>fxiny I can
14:21<valdyn>LiCeT: scanner or saned, i dont know, ive never used a scanner
14:22<LiCeT>hmmm...thats the fix i read on san . org
14:22<fxiny>erKURITA: hehehe
14:22<valdyn>LiCeT: then the solution would be to add whoever needs to use the scanner to the scanner group
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14:23<valdyn>LiCeT: saned group is probably for permissions to configure a scanner
14:23<LiCeT>its only 1 account and i added this account to scanner group
14:23<valdyn>LiCeT: did you log out and back in after that?
14:23<LiCeT>i restarted to
14:23<erKURITA>fxiny she's got quite the rack, if you know what I mean ;)
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14:24<fxiny>erKURITA: only replicants can take care of us ;)
14:24<ranix>erKURITA: that rack can hold my 4u any day
14:24<erKURITA>that too
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14:24<valdyn>LiCeT: be in the saned group too
14:24<fxiny>ranix: can't get 99% of it :)
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14:24<immatrRecord>hi all
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14:24<LiCeT>only as user...right?
14:25<LiCeT>thats what i did
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14:25<LiCeT>and it works only as root
14:25<immatrRecord>nobody say what run an application 32 bit on debian amd64
14:25<immatrRecord>i'm don't remember the name package
14:25<valdyn>LiCeT: whats the output of "groups" run as that user?
14:25<LiCeT>how can i see?
14:25<ranix>sudo <user> groups
14:26<ranix>or is it su <user>
14:26<ranix>it is not sudo that was retarded
14:26<valdyn>LiCeT: just run "groups" when you are logged in as that user that should be able to use your scanner
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14:27<LiCeT>groups: dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin powerdev oident scanner saned
14:27<valdyn>LiCeT: ok
14:27<valdyn>LiCeT: now show me which user saned is running as ( ps aux | grep saned )
14:28<valdyn>LiCeT: finally show me your original permissions on /dev/parport0
14:28<LiCeT>n00b 3251 0.0 0.0 3208 788 pts/1 S+ 20:24 0:00 grep saned
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14:29<valdyn>LiCeT: ok, then "grep sane /etc/inetd.conf" instead
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14:29<fxiny>ranix: banna --> Inhibit ? yes ? so is ban form icelandic ?
14:30<LiCeT>grep sane /etc/inetd.conf --> #<off># sane-port stream tcp nowait saned:saned /usr/sbin/saned saned
14:30<valdyn>LiCeT: i wonder how you can scan at all
14:30<edoroman>hi everyone, does anyone know anything about debian on android?
14:30<valdyn>LiCeT: with no saned running
14:30<LiCeT>i really dont know :
14:30<LiCeT>wait...i just rebooted right now
14:30<LiCeT>maybe dont workin
14:30<LiCeT>just a sec
14:30<ranix>fxiny: I am unsure, I know of it as slang for /mode +b
14:31<valdyn>LiCeT: you can actually scan as root?
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14:31<LiCeT>it works
14:32<LiCeT>now it freezes -.-
14:32<valdyn>LiCeT: ok, im a little confused on how scanning works, so im trying to work with that few info
14:32<valdyn>LiCeT: your user needs to be in the lp group to access /dev/parport0
14:32<LiCeT>how can u see is not running?
14:32<fxiny>ranix: i fond this on a Webster's Online Dictionary , there are many like curse , but looks like is the closest definition to ban
14:32<LiCeT>sorry for such questions
14:33<valdyn>LiCeT: its off in inetd.conf, so its not started on demand and your ps command showed nothing
14:33<valdyn>LiCeT: .. so its not running constantly either
14:33<LiCeT>just to understand what i'm doing :)
14:33<ranix>fxiny: I don't know that a dictionary is a good place to even look-up net speak, since it is so slang and the same words span dozens of languages
14:34<ranix>fxiny: it has the germanic "ban" root and I think that's about as far as you'll get
14:34<valdyn>LiCeT: to your original question, you would add your user to lp group to make him get access to /dev/parport0
14:34<valdyn>LiCeT: and NOT change permissions of /dev/parport0
14:35<LiCeT>i dont have an "lp" group :/
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14:35<valdyn>LiCeT: are you even on debian?
14:35<valdyn>LiCeT: ls -l /dev/parport0
14:36<LiCeT>i changed permissions before because i had to scan...may i reboot?
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14:36<valdyn>LiCeT: /etc/init.d/udev stop && /etc/init.d/udev start
14:36<valdyn>LiCeT: dont need to reboot
14:36<fxiny>ranix: banna can be found in 7 languages , many different meanings . in icelandic banna means inhibit and ban means the same
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14:37<fxiny>so the vikings gave it to the sauvages :P
14:37<ranix>a public proclamation, as of interdiction or excommunication
14:37<ranix>I like that one
14:38<valdyn>LiCeT: what are you using to scan btw? xsane?
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14:38<LiCeT>ls -l /dev/parport0 --> crw-rw---- 1 root lp 99, 0 1. Apr 19:31 /dev/parport0
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14:38<valdyn>LiCeT: so theres your lp group
14:39<LiCeT>sorry...dont understand
14:39<LiCeT>lp 99?
14:39<valdyn>LiCeT: the 99 is something else, but lp is the group, yes
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14:40<LiCeT>cant see "lp" in groups....
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14:40<valdyn>LiCeT: that only means that you are not in the lp group
14:41<valdyn>LiCeT: but that group is only for direct parport0 access, its not needed to scan
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14:41<valdyn>LiCeT: i just tried scanning, seems like the plugdev group or somesuch does it now
14:41<valdyn>LiCeT: weird indeed
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14:42<LiCeT> scanner is doing something
14:42<xxx-_-_stavros-_-_-_xxx>why i dont install kmess
14:42<LiCeT>i dont know what
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14:43<xxx-_-_stavros-_-_-_xxx>mother fuckers
14:44-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
14:44-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*] by stew
14:44-!-mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
14:44<fxiny>good one
14:44<PiklesOnFire>thanx stew
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14:45<semplice-mente>hi all, i need some help...
14:45<LiCeT>any other ideas valdyn ?
14:46<valdyn>LiCeT: did you add your user to the lp group yet?
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14:46<LiCeT>misunderstand before
14:46<valdyn>LiCeT: how the hell did you add him to the saned group?
14:46<LiCeT>there is no group called 'lp'
14:46<LiCeT>thats the problem
14:46<valdyn>LiCeT: NO
14:47<PiklesOnFire>semplice-mente, what's up?
14:47<valdyn>LiCeT: there IS a group named lp
14:47<valdyn>LiCeT: ok lets start from scratch
14:47<valdyn>LiCeT: run "groups" and paste the output
14:47<erKURITA>+q = ?
14:47<LiCeT>just "lpadmin"
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14:47<semplice-mente>i'd like to install debian in virtualbox but i don't have enough space, so i've thought to create the virtual disk on a usb pen drive. do you think it could be a problem?
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14:48<valdyn>LiCeT: /dev/parport0 on your system IS in the lp group, therefore it exists
14:48<LiCeT>dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin powerdev oident scanner saned
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14:48<LiCeT>then i'm blind now...sorry again :p
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14:48<ranix>semplice-mente: I doubt that will be a problem unless you run it for a long time (weeks?) using the usb drive a lot. Swap on the usb might, say, burn out a few sectors of NAND
14:48<valdyn>LiCeT: groups lists the groups that your user is IN, not the existing groups
14:49<valdyn>LiCeT: now run as root "adduser <username> lp"
14:49<ranix>semplice-mente: I don't know how much of a problem that actually is anymore these days
14:49<valdyn>LiCeT: log out and back in, and then scan
14:49<LiCeT>what the hell
14:49<LiCeT>how is it possible -.-
14:49<LiCeT>i really dont see it
14:50<LiCeT>sorry again
14:50<valdyn>LiCeT: what cant you see?
14:50<LiCeT>be back in 1 min
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14:51<semplice-mente>ranix: is this the same problem of installing os on an external disk? where one needs "tricks" for swap and log file to not damage the usb disk
14:51<LiCeT>great...seems to be workin
14:51<LiCeT>thx valdyn
14:52<LiCeT>thx a lot
14:52<valdyn>LiCeT: ok, this is a somehwat wrong hack
14:52<ranix>semplice-mente: yeah
14:52<valdyn>LiCeT: but better than fucking up permissions
14:52<LiCeT>so the problem was the "lp" group....did i understand right?
14:53<valdyn>LiCeT: no, the problem is that youre not using the saned daemon to scan
14:53<semplice-mente>ranix: ok, thx! :)
14:53<valdyn>LiCeT: we fixed it by giving your direct access to the parport0
14:53<valdyn>LiCeT: thats ok
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14:53<valdyn>LiCeT: but its severely broken as soon as you have multiple users accessing your scanner at the same time
14:54<LiCeT>i'm sincere...i think i just understand a part of what your telling about
14:54<valdyn>LiCeT: which might never happen on your system, i cant tell
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14:54<PiklesOnFire>ranix, sadly, the issue still exists =[
14:54<LiCeT>maybe more when using more debian
14:54<valdyn>LiCeT: normally its user <-> saned <-> scanner
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14:54<valdyn>LiCeT: you now do user <-> scanner
14:54<PiklesOnFire>@ ranix (usb drives and burning out sectors)
14:55<LiCeT>but what happen to the daemon?
14:55<valdyn>LiCeT: needs to be activated i guess
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14:55<valdyn>LiCeT: like be removing the #<off># in /etc/inetd.conf etc
14:55<valdyn>LiCeT: im have no clue about scanning, already said so
14:56<LiCeT>have to make some copy&paste :D
14:56<valdyn>LiCeT: theres 2 ways to activate it, number one is editing inetd.conf as i told you, number two is setting RUN=yes in /etc/default/saned
14:57<valdyn>LiCeT: now if you do the scanning via saned, then being member of the scanner group is sufficient
14:57<valdyn>LiCeT: right now being member of the scanner group does nothing at all
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14:59<LiCeT>but i edited before saned RUN=yes
15:00<valdyn>LiCeT: its not running though
15:00<valdyn>LiCeT: did you reboot after editing that file?
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15:01<LiCeT> works
15:01<LiCeT>maybe next time when i'm installing i'm having a bit more of comprehension how all this works
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15:04<LiCeT>now next step is to get my printer workin ...
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15:04<valdyn>!cups setup
15:04<dpkg>rumour has it, cups setup is "aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsomatic-ppd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or you can try printconf
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15:05<LiCeT>i made it with cups
15:05<LiCeT>install it
15:05<LiCeT>is not printing
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15:06<pester>anyone using irssi? how do i scroll up?
15:06<petern>page up
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15:07<petern>or alt-p
15:07<petern>esc p
15:07<petern>etc etc
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15:08<valdyn>just pageup
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15:11<LiCeT>when i want to make something to clean my system
15:12<LiCeT>delete dependencies
15:12<LiCeT>such things
15:12<LiCeT>how to the best way?
15:12<PiklesOnFire>LiCeT, apt-get --purge remove [pkg]
15:12<LiCeT>what does autoclean?
15:13<PiklesOnFire>should auto remove it's dependencies as well, unless they are being used
15:13<NakedApe>LiCeT: check out deborphan
15:13<PiklesOnFire>autoclean cleans your cache, but only removes outdated packages
15:13<PiklesOnFire>LiCeT, deborphan is also good, as stated by NakedApe
15:13<LiCeT>cool thx
15:13<stew>LiCeT: also look at debfoster
15:14<LiCeT>thx to all :)
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15:15<LiCeT>there is something not ok on my system i suppose :/
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15:16<LiCeT>when i'm doing --purge
15:16<LiCeT>i get
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15:16<LiCeT>pakets like --> evolution-common texlive-extra-utils libepc-ui-1.0-1 ekiga tetex-extra gcalctool texlive-base-bin-doc
15:16<LiCeT>not being used
15:16<LiCeT>and want to remove
15:16<LiCeT>thats can't be good
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15:17<Zathras>hi. Running Debian Lenny AMD64 stock kernel. Suppose I want a newer kernel inc. kernel sources/headers. Any do's and don'ts or can I add 2.6.28 from a backport or something?
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15:18<ranix>Zathras: you should be able to backport your kernel with no major problem
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15:19<Zathras>rafael, yep in theory. But no issues with libc6, initrd etc?
15:19<ranix>Zathras: the chances of you actually destroying something in the attempt are rather small
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15:20<Zathras>I am more concerned about possible chains of dependencies
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15:21<EmleyMoor>Any vi experts on who could tell me this: how to replace one string with another on every line from the current to the next one startisg with a #
15:22<ranix>Zathras: dpkg will tell you if you are entering dependency hell and ask you to continue/resolve
15:22<ml>EmleyMoor: try %/string/replace/gc
15:22<ranix>Zathras: since you'll be backporting specific packages it will be very time consuming to enter dependency hell. I.e., you would have to spend great time and effort to screw up your system
15:22<stew>EmleyMoor: :,/^#/s/onestring/anotherstring/g
15:23<ml>EmleyMoor: try %s/string/replace/gc
15:23<Zathras>ranix, I now, been using debian for 10 years that's why I am checking here first
15:23<EmleyMoor>stew: Yours looks promising
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15:25<EmleyMoor>stew: Many thanks - that is going to save me hours!
15:25<Aleric>How can I cause 'diff' to recursively ignore some subdirectory when comparing foo/a/b/c and bar/a/b/c ?
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15:26<stew>EmleyMoor: worked? great. you're welcome
15:26<Aleric>I tried diff -x 'a/b/c/*' and stuff like that, but doesn't seem to work for paths, only filenames :/
15:27<ml>is there a config file I can edit to prevent monitor from going on standy?
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16:04<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
16:05<asterisc>Hi guys! I just installed lenny on an inspiron 6400 laptop, and I have problems with the multimedia keys. Any ideas from where should I start ?
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16:05<amphi>asterisc: if they create xevents, you can just bind them to whatever you like
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16:05<asterisc>amphi: and what about the OSD ? I don't get any OSD
16:06<amphi>asterisc: OSD of what?
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16:06<asterisc>amphi: in any other linux distributions I used, these multimedia keys brang up an OSD with the volume meter
16:06<Supaplex>the display part. ;)
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16:18<ml>is there a config file I can edit to prevent monitor from going on standy?
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16:18<llutz>ml: use xset (-dpms)
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16:19<BehiiMehii>How do I install the latest nVidia drivers?
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16:19<ml>!tell BehiiMehii -about nvidia
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16:20<ml>llutz: but is there a file I can edit?
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16:26<adb>ml: there is a "power management" applet , maybe use it
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16:27<ml>adb: heh, I'm not on gnome
16:27<adb>even ...
16:28<ml>just want to keep it simple
16:28<adb>it seems some BIOS has it too
16:29<ml>not here :)
16:29<ml>I'll just add to .xinitrc and be done with it
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16:30<ml>I was just wondering if there was a config file tho
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16:33<ml>llutz: thanks had forgotten about xset
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16:39<cmyers>hey guys - maybe a little off-topic, but I can't seem to find a single USB scanner with "complete" support which I can currently buy new - I've been looking at SANE's hardware support list here:
16:40<cmyers>anyone have any suggestions for a good model to get?
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16:45<adb>try #hardware on freenode
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16:51<cmyers>adb: thanks, will do
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17:21<nenneu>will /etc/init.d/networking stop stop SSH connections?
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17:21<weasel>nenneu: it will shut down your network, presumably
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17:22<ml>nenneu: /etc.init.d/ssh stop
17:23<nenneu>/etc/init.d/networking stop has stopped SSH connections, how can I start it again?
17:23<frindly>good question, i dont know...
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17:23<nenneu>ml: it's not accepting SSH connections to use start...
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17:24<ml>try restart
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17:26<squelos>does anyone know how to configure my Debian SID in order to be able to read and write in a windows partition ?
17:27<Lint>why my USB scanner don't work?
17:27<syntech>why don't you think?
17:28<frindly>squelos... there is the ntfs3g driver, with this you can mount ntfs
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17:30<squelos>well, i had installed the ntfs3g driver, but i still couldnt mount my ntfs part
17:30<squelos>i dont know why.
17:30<Boter>force it
17:30<prahal>Lint: is it told as supported in
17:31<prahal>squelos: are you in the fuse group ?
17:31<squelos>jaysus, what the hell is that ? I started off a few days ago only.
17:31<adb>!tell squelos about user accessible ntfs
17:31<frindly>maybe it is not umounted cleanly. run chkdsk from windows and try then
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17:32<prahal>adduser <your user> fuse then logout and login
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17:32<squelos>Iwell that might be it
17:33<squelos>because i have xp
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17:33<squelos>and i installed debian, and it f*cked up something
17:33<squelos>something to do with hal i think
17:33<squelos>i just have to change one line.
17:33<Lint>prahal, it's not listed there
17:34<squelos>well, then my linux shud be able to mount it
17:34<prahal>Lint: then if it has drivers from the vendor site it could work . Which brand is it ?
17:34<Lint>prahal, Epson Perfection V10
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17:35<squelos>and, i was wondering, is vim really good for programming in php ? Because im used to dreamweaver :s
17:36<Lint>prahal, it offers _some_ driver, but (1) it's rpm, and (2) it doesn't work after conversion to deb
17:36<adama>vim cannot be compared to dreamweaver
17:37<zedboy>i really prefer a straight text editor to dreamweaver.
17:38<squelos>yeah but im kinda new to coding
17:38<squelos>so i often forget stuff
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17:39<zedboy>squelos: eh, that's why php has friendly error messages to tell you when you did something wrong.
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17:40<squelos>i know, but what i like about dreamweaver, is the interface. you can open up files very easily
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17:41<zedboy>squelos: so use one of the 10 billion programmers' editors out there for linux
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17:42<squelos>are they kinda similar to dreamwearver ? But if vim is very good, ill start using vim
17:43<zedboy>squelos: vim is not remotely similar to dreamweaver.
17:43<prahal>Lint: they provide debs
17:43<zedboy>squelos: vim is a pretty hard core programmer's editor.
17:43<zedboy>squelos: it's based on something written in the early 70s.
17:43<prahal>squelos: quanta and bluefish
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17:43<zedboy>squelos: yeah, i remember bluefish, very friendly.
17:44<SlimeyPete>quanta is decent
17:44*zedboy is a fan of nedit
17:44<SlimeyPete>as far as I know, there's no WYSIWYG editor on Linux which is as feature-full as dreamweaver, but then most web devs hand-code stuff anyway
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17:45<dr|z3d>SlimeyPete: Try Kompozer.
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17:45<zedboy>SlimeyPete: yeah i never found a wyswyg-y web editor other than 'weaver that supported div-style layout. but i never thought 'weaver was as easy to use as Yahoo's SiteBuilder cheesy java thingy
17:46<SlimeyPete>dr|z3d: it's not as "good" (i.e. comprehensive) as Dreamweaver, as far as I remember.
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17:46<SlimeyPete>I tend to code stuff by hand in quanta or vim, personally
17:47<gravity>There's nvi also, although you have to download the deb yourself
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17:48<dr|z3d>SlimeyPete: On the other hand, Dreamweaver works fine in Linux under Wine.
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17:49<zedboy>ugh, staroffice.
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18:01<goodger>for the first time, I just saw someone recommend the use of Mint because Ubuntu is too buggy. I have grave concerns :/
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18:04<rapscallian>change nick
18:06<adama>!ops rapscallian is a moron
18:06<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adama complains about: rapscallian is a moron
18:06-!-rapscallian was kicked from #debian by Ganneff [behave]
18:06<goodger>adama: I don't think there was any need to summon ops for a simple spammer; just hit ignore and wait for someone to notice him...
18:06<stew>adama: please don't call people morons, even if they are being morons
18:06<goodger>nonetheless, Ganneff, thank you
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18:12<locsmif>The no-back-button during file:// , is this an Iceweasel or FireFox thing
18:13<azeem>you mean whether it is Debian specific?
18:13<azeem>I guess not, but dunno
18:13<Steven_M>hi all
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18:16<D6>Hi. Is there any nice tutorial how to install some new TTF fonts in a Debian-way? Using defoma I mean? Thanks!
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18:16<dpkg>i guess defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts.
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18:20<Steven_M>Are my sources.list and my prefrerences file set up correctly for pining from experimental?
18:21<locsmif>azeem, seemed to have accidentally happened during dist-upgrade
18:21<locsmif>restored it..
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18:23<Cypriot>hi all
18:24<Steven_M>Cypriot: hi
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18:25<Cypriot>steven do u know how can i modify a group ?
18:26<Cypriot>and i want to modify this group for only guests, i mean they can use their home dir only
18:26<Steven_M>Cypriot: You mean add a user to it?
18:26<prahal>D6: why in a debian way ? you may want to try fontmatrix . It does kind of the same thing as defoma and is non distro dependant . But it is apply user wide only afaik
18:27<Cypriot>yes i want to create a group for guest users
18:27<prahal>except if you do packaging .
18:27<D6>prahal: The target system is Debian so it's not neededto use something else than Debian-specific things which are ususally very good :)
18:27<D6>prahal: And defoma is not well documented
18:28<Steven_M>Cypriot: typing it now, I'm a slow typer
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18:31<prahal>D6: there was dfontmgr which was a guy . BUt it was not maintained/upgraded to latest perl and was removed .
18:31<D6>prahal: yeah, I know. It doesn't exist in Lenny
18:31<D6>In the latest Ubuntu too
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18:32<prahal>ah so you already learned from it all that was worth . install for an app , register for a font backend
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18:35<Steven_M>Cypriot: all of this is done as root. First of all you create a new group by running addgroup <groupname> eg addgroup guest. Then to add a user to the group you run adduser <username> <groupname> eg adduser steven guest.
18:37<prahal>defoma purpose is to me providing users with a automatic configuration . Though there are not that many apps that still need it . are you doing packaging or is to use debian tool to do the job only ?
18:39<Steven_M>Cypriot: I'm not sure how to restrict the users in guest to one directory but directory but I'll look in to it :)
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18:40<Steven_M>Are my sources.list and my prefrerences file set up correctly for pining from experimental?
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18:41<Cypriot>ok ty Steven_M i am going to check it
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18:43<Steven_M>Cypriot: did you already know the part I told you about?
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18:44<Cypriot>bolivia 6 - 1 argentina
18:44<Cypriot>wow :D
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18:47<caroline>is anyone able to help me with dvd playback?
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18:48<ml>1012 libdvdread3
18:48<ml>1013 libdvdnav4
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18:49<ml>caroline: install ^^
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18:56<ml>llutz: xset -dpms s off <--- is the correct command, without s off X server screensaver still turns on, atleast it did here
18:56<Steven_M>ml: Are my sources.list and my prefrerences file set up correctly for pining from experimental?
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18:57<ml>Steven_M: can't help you with that I don't use experimental
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18:58<ml>Steven_M: how is xmonad going?
18:59<ml>1012 libdvdread3
18:59<ml>1013 libdvdnav4
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19:00<Steven_M>ml: good thanks :)
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19:01<ml>Steven_M: is eth working in xmobar/
19:02<ml>1012 libdvdread3
19:02<ml>1013 libdvdnav4
19:02<ml>why is it pasting arggg
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19:04<zulu9>hi! be available in other languages too? (e.g. german)
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19:05<Steven_M>How do you get all users in a group called guest to share a common home directory and restricted them to that dir? You'd have to use chroot wouldn't you? This question is on behalf Cypriot.
19:06<dumbo>hello folks, good morning to all. i guess i am breaking something with debianlive. any help is a big thank you. may i ask here?
19:06<dumbo>error message: mount aufs on /root failed with option noatime,dirs=/cow=rw://filesystem.squashfs=rr
19:06<Steven_M>ml: yeah it randomly starting working :)
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19:07<adb>dumbo: try #debian-live ?
19:07<ml>Steven_M: great :)
19:07<dumbo>i did upgrade from lenny to squeeze and did a proper workout.
19:07<dumbo>no one is replying there, adb.
19:07<dumbo>okay fine again i shall ask there.
19:08<adb>maybe use list@debian-live
19:08<adb>see /topic there
19:09<dumbo>aah. i did forget to skip the topic. i am sorry. :-)
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19:33<goodger>hello; is there any specific Debian Way entry banning the use of pulseaudio? dpkg does not mention it
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19:35<ml>goodger: what do you mean?
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19:36<goodger>ml: are there any high-level problems with using pulseaudio that I should know about?
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19:37<ml>goodger: when I used it I had no problems
19:37<avu>goodger, it at least works well for me on one of my lenny machines
19:38<avu>although I probably wouldn't even have thought about using it if I hadn't needed networked sound
19:39<goodger>thank you. I am told by an ubuntu user that it does a number of things collectively described as "awesome"
19:39<ml>yes, I tried it out, but since I don't need network sound I got rid of it, just use alsa now
19:40<avu>yep, I see no reason to use it besides the networking either
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19:41<ml>plus it does use some cpu cycles
19:41<avu>I use it at home to listen to music played on my laptop using the stereo plugged into our kitchen-box
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19:42<ml>avu: nice ;)
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19:45<goodger>ok, so now I have pulseaudio running (I guess) and precisely nothing has changed in GNOME's sound stuff. does anyone know whether it's in a newer version of GNOME? :/
19:46<goodger>(I'm on squeeze; gnome 2.24)
19:46<avu>nothing to do with gnome..
19:46<avu>if you want a pulseaudio mixer, you have to use a pulse audio mixer
19:46<avu>gnome's mixer is an alsa mixer
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19:47<ml>goodger: check in the menu should see some new entries
19:48<goodger>ah, yes... pulseaudio preferences /o/
19:48<goodger>but gnome sound still asks me if I want to enable ESD
19:48<ml>I'm not on gnome any more but don't you have to get rid of esd?
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19:49<goodger>it's not installed, apparently..
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19:50<avu>installing/using pa won't magically change existing GNOME dialogs
19:50<avu>pa is not part of GNOME in any way
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20:32<natsukashi_>Being a newbie to Linux, will I get mindraped if I try to install Debian?
20:32<meshuggah>what is mindraped?
20:33<natsukashi_>like mindfuck, but less offensive!
20:33<dumbo>follow the trial and error method.
20:33<amphi>less offensive?
20:33<locsmif>natsukashi_, you'll get raped properly and thoroughly, like all newbies
20:34<locsmif>there is no way around it.
20:34<natsukashi_>Awesome, how many times will I have to reinstall it? :D
20:34*dumbo slaps my forehead
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20:34<locsmif>natsukashi_, as many times as you damage something beyond repair
20:35<amphi>none, if you read the install guide and the debian reference, probably
20:35<dumbo>natsukashi_, try ubuntu, many URL and blogs just say one line. ubuntu: an os for those who cant install debian.
20:35<locsmif>unless you listen amphi
20:35<locsmif>listen to*
20:35<dumbo>does it help?
20:35<natsukashi_>dumbo: I am using Ubuntu. x>
20:35<dumbo>follow the trial and error method.
20:36<dumbo>try and try till you succeed.
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20:36<meshuggah_>natsukashi_, did u tried a linux distro yetor only windows?
20:36<locsmif>natsukashi_, were you used to GNOME
20:36<meshuggah_>yet "space" or only windows
20:36<natsukashi_>meshuggah: I'm using Ubuntu right now. So I'm almost used to Linux
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20:37<locsmif>natsukashi_, let me rephrase that: are you an Ubuntu or Kubuntu user?
20:37<natsukashi_>locsmif: Yes, but I like fluxbox better. I use Ubuntu, not Kubuntu
20:37<locsmif>natsukashi_, you'll be fine
20:37<dumbo>which arch?
20:38<natsukashi_>i386 I believe. I can't boot in to Windows to use Everest to check
20:38<dumbo>natsukashi_, which type of processor you plan to install and failing to install.
20:39<natsukashi_>dumbo: i386
20:39<dumbo>is it a dual core or just a p4 by intel/others
20:39<dumbo> good luck, a little lengthy, but then again "LET THE FORCE BE WITH YOU."
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20:40<meshuggah__>how can i install a Sid package in lenny stable without changing all the dep on sid?
20:40<locsmif>natsukashi_, show us uname -a
20:40<dumbo>i dont even get this much help also.
20:40<natsukashi_>dumbo: Thanks. :D
20:40<locsmif>meshuggah__, you can't
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20:40<dumbo>apt-get -t arch package
20:40<dumbo>may be wrong.
20:40<locsmif>unless the package has very liberal dependencies
20:40<amphi>!tell meshuggah__ -about simple sid backport
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20:40<natsukashi_>locsmif: Linux natsukashi-desktop 2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 29 19:24:39 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
20:40<dumbo>natsukashi_, :-)
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20:41<locsmif>natsukashi_, there you go, you have i686
20:41<dumbo>natsukashi_, cat /proc/cpuinfo and paste it in
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20:41<locsmif>go dumbo
20:41<locsmif>let's see what he's got
20:41<dumbo>locsmif, i will believe it once i see the cpuinfo display output.
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20:41<amphi>natsukashi_: or see if 'grep lm /proc/cpuinfo' says anything
20:42<locsmif>maybe he has AMD
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20:42<amphi>locsmif: that won't contain 'lm' in the cpu flags if it's 64 bit?
20:42<cesurasean>Is there anyway to connect remotely with VNC to a Debian Lenny system without having to login to the computer first?
20:42<natsukashi_>amphi: nope. It went through but didn't say anything
20:43<locsmif>amphi, nope
20:43<dumbo>just as i expected.
20:43<dumbo>dual core.
20:43<amphi>locsmif: ah, thanks
20:43<dumbo>you dont need that url
20:43<locsmif>amphi, lm, afaik, denotes Intel 64bit extensions
20:43<dumbo>try reading this one.
20:43<locsmif>pni is sse3 right?
20:44<locsmif>not that it matters much here.
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20:44<dumbo>it is.
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20:45<cesurasean>Is there anyway to connect remotely with VNC to a Debian Lenny system without having to login to the computer first?
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20:45<dr|z3d>cesurasean: Sure, use tightvncserver.
20:46<natsukashi_>dumbo: I'm pretty sure that my computer is Single Core. It's about 4 years old. And line 12 says that I've got 1 CPU core. :o
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20:46<cesurasean>apt-get install tightvncserver?
20:46<amphi>natsukashi_: it is single core
20:46<dr|z3d>cesurasean: sure.
20:48<dumbo>natsukashi_, try and type this command /exec -o cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i processor
20:48<dumbo>processor : 0
20:48<locsmif>amphi, btw: svm = AMD pacifica virtualization extensions | vmx = Intel IVT (vanderpool) virtualization extensions
20:48<dumbo>it will count for you, if the current shows wrong info in the display this will show the right one.
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20:48<locsmif>dumbo, it's complex
20:49<dumbo>locsmif, how?
20:49<locsmif>you have ht, actual dual cpu and multiple cores
20:49<dumbo>"natsukashi_, try and type this command /exec -o cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i processor" this one?
20:49<locsmif>ht shows two 'cores'
20:49<dumbo>oh. yeah true.
20:49<amphi>locsmif: ain't standards great ;)
20:49<dumbo>he just said 4 year old.
20:49<dumbo>worth a gamble.
20:49<natsukashi_>dumbo: bash: /exec no such directory
20:49<locsmif>amphi, heh
20:50<dumbo>./exec -o cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i processor
20:50<dumbo>remove the . before ./ natsukashi_
20:50<natsukashi_>I did
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20:50<locsmif>dumbo, I recently worked through this with a friend working on his a system info script, a fork of mine..we worked out what the cpuinfo rules were for making known wether a CPU is ht, multicore or multicpu
20:50<natsukashi_>dumbo: you can use // to start a sentence with a slash btw. :)!
20:50<dumbo>locsmif, no clue
20:51<locsmif>he seems to have a 32bit single core CPU with hyperthreading
20:51<djc>apt-get install hardinfo
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20:52<dumbo>natsukashi_, has got ht
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20:52<dumbo>now i am clueless.
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20:52<natsukashi_>djc: was that aimed at me? o:
20:52<cesurasean1>When I use tightvncserver, and type anything into terminal via the connection, it doesn't type the characters on my keyboard that I press. It keeps pressing random things.
20:52<cesurasean1>Any suggestion?
20:53<locsmif>natsukashi_, you have 32 bit single core pentium 4 with hyperthreading
20:53<djc>aimed at anyone that finds it useful
20:53<djc>cesurasean1, its a server, not a client
20:53<locsmif>You should install Debian 32 bit with SMP kernel
20:53<djc>you run the server on the remote machine
20:53<djc>then you run the client locally and connect to it
20:53<djc>or, just ssh to the server
20:53<natsukashi_>djc: what does the package do?
20:53<prahal>cesurasean1: which client vinagre ?
20:53<cesurasean1>once I connect to it, I'm unable to type anything into termainal ran on the host machine
20:54<djc>natsukashi_, install it and try it out
20:54<cesurasean1>no, VNC client for Windows
20:54<djc>cesurasean1, yes, becuase the server is running
20:54<dumbo>why cant natsukashi_ install amd64 bit?
20:54<cesurasean1>I'm trying to VNC from a windows box to a linux one
20:54<djc>cesurasean1, open up a client and connect to the server then
20:54<dumbo>purpose is the same.
20:54<prahal>cesurasean1: which client ? realvnc ?
20:54<cesurasean1>I connect from realvnc to tightvncserver
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20:55<cesurasean1>but, everything I type ends up as garbage
20:55<locsmif>natsukashi_, or use netinstall
20:55<djc>thre are two modes of 'vnc server' for *nix.. one connects to the *existing* X sesssion, if one is running.. everything you do will also be echoed on the remote machines screen
20:55<djc>two, virtualized, whereby the server starts a seperate X-server instance.. the console of the remote machine will remain seperate
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20:55<natsukashi_>locsmif: I find boot cds funnier. I just have to download the first one, right? The other one is for random packages if I'm not mistaken.
20:55<cesurasean1>yes, I want tightvncserver
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20:56<locsmif>natsukashi_, yeah sort of, I'd download the DVD then
20:56<cesurasean1>but, everything I type into tightvncserver from the GUI ends up as garbage
20:56<cesurasean1>like a space mark is a .
20:56<cesurasean1>a is typing out as b
20:56<djc>if you just need to work on the remote machine, it might be simpler just to use ssh (with a local X server if you need to use GUI tools)
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20:56<djc>you wont be able to type anything on the tty session where you run the vnc server
20:56<djc>it isnt interactive on the terminal
20:57<cesurasean1>so I can't use my keyboard when connecting to tightvncserver?
20:57<djc>i dont think you understand how vnc works
20:57<locsmif>natsukashi_, with stable, it pays to have the DVD set handy, when you ever have to maintain a standalone PC.. (which happens more than people think)
20:57<dumbo>natsukashi_, give both a shot. amd64 and i386.
20:57<natsukashi_>Ridiculous download speed. 8mb/s
20:57<djc>its not something you interact with via a tty/terminal
20:57<dumbo>and both install procedure is almost same. with slight difference here and there.
20:57<cesurasean1>I know how vnc works!
20:58<cesurasean1>I've installed, and connected fine.
20:58<djc>well there you go then
20:58<djc>whats the problem?
20:58<cesurasean1>but when I use my keyboard on the GUI, it's typing characters that I don't press.
20:58<cesurasean1>when I press the space bar, it presses a .
20:58<natsukashi_>dumbo: Why are you so intent on me using 64bit? x>
20:58<djc>sounds like your client is borked
20:58<cesurasean1>when I press a, it shows a r
20:58<dumbo>ssh and authenticate? and then vnc?
20:58<locsmif>natsukashi_, he's not sure if your system is 64bit or not
20:58<cesurasean1>client is borked?
20:59<djc>broken. corrupt.. miswritten.. buggy
20:59<dumbo>natsukashi_, because 64 bit is your processor arch. thats why.
20:59<locsmif>natsukashi_, me personally, I am sure that your system is 32 bit.
20:59<prahal>cesurasean1: wrong caracters or modified caracters (I mean could this be that alt, ctrl or shift are locked due to a bug)
20:59<prahal>ok not that issue then
20:59<cesurasean1>it seems to be a bug with tighvncserver
21:00<cesurasean1>I don't have this problem when I use Remote Desktop
21:00<dumbo>natsukashi_, is downloading at 8 mb/sec. he can download both the images in almost no time.
21:00<natsukashi_>I am also quite sure that my processor is 32bit. But what am I missing out if I install 32bit on a 64bit system?
21:00<dumbo>so if amd64 fails or complains and bails out? its a 32 bit.
21:00<djc>to be honest I dont see the point of vncinto to a *nix machine.. i can see it for accessing a win box remotely
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21:01<djc>but for remoting a machne running X, it makes more sense to just export the local X display
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21:01<djc>or tunnel it over ssh
21:01<dumbo>ssh is ideal.
21:01<dumbo>then you can turn on Xorg over ssh.
21:01<djc>of course that assumes the local machine is a real machine running X as well, and not a wintoy
21:01<locsmif>natsukashi_, you're wasting time, your system is 32 bit, there is nothing to miss.
21:02<locsmif>natsukashi_, if your system was 64bit, we would have seen the lm flag in your cpuinfo output
21:02<djc>but I could never stand trying to accomplish anything sitting in front of a wintoy anyway
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21:03<natsukashi_>locsmif: I haven't even started downloading the 64bit yet. I'm just wondering why I should care whether if it's 32 or 64. In other words. How is 64 superior to 32?
21:03<dumbo>djc, if cesurasean1 says its a linux machine and he has no issues with rdp then x is a must installed.
21:03<dumbo>then again the ssh and then start x is more logical over vnc.
21:04<djc>dumbo, i think hes trying to vnc into a debian box from a wintoy
21:04<dumbo>there are many more thin clients.
21:04<cesurasean1>djc, correct.
21:04<dumbo>putty has got ssh x forward.
21:04<djc>doesnt do any good unless he has X for win
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21:04<cesurasean1>but, everytime I press something on the keyboard, it doesn't type what I want it to.
21:04<djc>which is either hard to find and/or $notfree
21:04<dumbo>win got support for SUA
21:05<dumbo>he can install SUA packages.
21:05<djc>cesurasean1, then find a different vnc client
21:05<locsmif>natsukashi_, it might be superior if you had a 64bit machine, due to enhanced instruction set support (64 bit instruction set) and memory management for memory ~4GB and more.
21:05<dumbo>its like cygwin.
21:05<dumbo>subsystem unix application.
21:05<dumbo>or something like that.
21:05<dumbo>cygwin like stuff from M$
21:05<dumbo>natsukashi_, experiment.
21:05<natsukashi_>locsmif: Okay. Thanks. :D
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21:06<dumbo>there is nothing to loose.
21:06<locsmif>natsukashi_, for example, mnenomics for copying blocks of data in memory (QWORDS, etc.)
21:06<locsmif>natsukashi_, coprocessor stuff, long integers and floats, etc. etc.
21:06<dumbo>is this a production server or a desktop for trial. if second? then no harm to do the trial and error approach. natsukashi_
21:06<locsmif>dumbo, sure there is, time :p
21:06<djc>dumbo, sounds like it'd be simpler just using a local debian machine instead
21:06<dumbo>djc, what if its farrrrrrrr away?
21:07<dumbo>locsmif, natsukashi_ will be on the leading side while experimenting.
21:08<locsmif>plus: no 'lm' flag, no 64 bit
21:08<djc>dumbo, what if whats far away?
21:08<djc>replace the local wintoy with a local debian box.
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21:09<djc>either by replacing the hardware, or by replacing the software on the existing hardware
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21:09<dumbo>Doesn’t work on a comment. which means the approach is not safe.
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21:09<natsukashi_>Also, how big should my Debian partition be?
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21:09<dumbo>natsukashi_, auto partition.
21:10<locsmif>dumbo, ^^
21:10<dumbo>till you get to understand how you need to use your disk space.
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21:10<djc>yeah, you can do that too
21:10<prahal>cesurasean1: can you try starting a session that is not gnome
21:10<cesurasean1>im trying a different vnc client for windows
21:10<cesurasean1>to see if that was the problem
21:10<djc>cesurasean1, its also possible that windows is the problem
21:11<dumbo>djc, i mean if cesurasean1 is trying to access the Linux host from windows guest.
21:11<dumbo>well. i too sometime do that from qemu windows image.
21:11<djc>dumbo, "guest" ? I dont think any vmware is involved
21:11<cesurasean1>same problem with a different VNC client
21:11<dumbo>djc, cesurasean1 never spoke about it. so should we negate it?
21:11<djc>i think hes sitting at a wintoy, trying to vnc a remote *nix machine
21:11<cesurasean1>yes, djc, I am.
21:12<dumbo>locsmif, dunno man. i didnt play with the 64 bit for a few months now.
21:12<djc>which is going to suck regardless of how he does it
21:12<ruipedroca>Hi, I'm having some trouble to make xsane find a scanner. Can anybody help?
21:12<prahal>cesurasean1: looks close . Try not using gnome on the server
21:12<cesurasean1>and I tried another windows client
21:12<djc>ruipedroca, what kind of scanner
21:12<djc>scsi? usb?
21:12<dumbo>thinclient thinclient
21:12<djc>what does sane-find-scanner say
21:12<djc>what brand/model of scanner?
21:12<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, what version of Debian are you using, and what type of scanner?
21:12<dumbo>scsi scanner?
21:12<dumbo>it exists?
21:12<ruipedroca>found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0, product=0x2c12) at libusb:005:003
21:13<djc>what does scanimage -L say?
21:13<prahal>ruipedroca: brand ?
21:13<dumbo>never used a scanner till date, nor a printer.
21:13<dumbo>presses the pass button.
21:13<djc>what brand/model of scanner?
21:14<ruipedroca>with normal user, sees nothing. With root: "scanimage: hp-option.c:3713: hp_optset_fix_geometry_options: Assertion `tl_x && tl_y && br_x && br_y' failed"
21:14<djc>its an hp scanner?
21:14<djc>what model?
21:14<ruipedroca>yes. HP Officejet J4680 All-in-One
21:14<cesurasean1>no, my problem is much different than that bug you stated.
21:15<cesurasean1>when I type a, it presses b, when I type b, it presses c, and so on.
21:15<dumbo>cesurasean1, ltsp
21:15<djc>ruipedroca, i dont think sane supports officejets.. you need hpoj
21:15<prahal>cesurasean1: I have read quite many bug reports and it is as close as one could get ! you should try not running gnome-session at least
21:15<PiklesOnFire>hpij? djc
21:16<dumbo>linux terminal server project
21:16<prahal>this is obviously a keyboard mapping issue
21:16<locsmif>dumbo, actually, the 'tm' flag in natsukashi_'s cpuinfo output settles it: that indicates it is a 32bit processor. (rm = 16bit, tm = 32bit, lm = 64bit)
21:16<cesurasean1>what does that mean
21:16<ruipedroca>ok, can I use synaptic to get it?
21:16<locsmif>natsukashi_, ^^
21:16<dumbo>locsmif, you can not be dead sure.
21:16<natsukashi_>How big is the basic Debian installation?
21:16<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, i'm using almost an identical printer/scanner
21:16<djc>search for hpoj in synaptic, yes
21:16<dumbo>natsukashi_, what is the cpu make/model?
21:16<prahal>hpij is long gone :)
21:17<djc>hpijs is still there
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21:17<PiklesOnFire>hpijs and hplip work for me
21:17<djc>for printing
21:17<ruipedroca>PiklesOnFire: how did you manage to
21:17<djc>need hpoj for scanning
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21:17<ruipedroca>I'm on hplip latest
21:17<dumbo>natsukashi_, how big depends on what you want to install.
21:17<natsukashi_>dumbo: Intel Pentium 4. If that's what you're asking. :o
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21:17<djc>search for hpoj in synaptic, yes
21:17<ruipedroca>should I try hpijs?
21:17<djc>hpijs is for printing
21:18<djc>need hpoj for scanning
21:18<dumbo>i have a 2.1 gig p4 purchased in 2003
21:18<PiklesOnFire>if you install hpoj it will remove hplip
21:18<ruipedroca>ok, but I can already print
21:18<dumbo>its a single core single cpu.
21:18<natsukashi_>dumbo: Well, basic features, kluxbox, gnome, support for a lot of programming languages and a few programs
21:18<ruipedroca>ok, I'm going to install hpoj
21:18<dumbo>whats the processor name/model number
21:18<prahal>oh sorry I was thinking of hpoj . hplip will install everything needed . Hpijs is just the ghostscript driver :-/
21:18<dumbo>i guess 7-8 gig hdd space. natsukashi_.
21:18<natsukashi_>dumbo: Don't know. :D
21:19<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, use hplip. it should get it working for you
21:19<locsmif>natsukashi_, I give up, just try 64bit and fail. ;)
21:19<natsukashi_>'kay ^^
21:19<dumbo>natsukashi_, trial and error will prove us right.
21:19<dumbo>try both.
21:19<djc>ruipedroca, actally
21:19<djc>try hplip first
21:19<djc>i think thats newer
21:19<dumbo>i686 will work anyway.
21:19<ruipedroca>well, but I'm already with hplip
21:19<dumbo>whats the issue if we also try 64 bit.
21:19<prahal>cesurasean1: keyboard mapping is the way keyboard key are bound to caracters
21:20<dumbo>here i go one more try with debianlive.
21:20<natsukashi_>dumbo: Time is money and I'm unemployed!
21:20<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, then try like djc said and use the hpoj...
21:20<dumbo>this fuck acts like a crack.
21:20<djc>PiklesOnFire, does hplip provide a sane driver? or is its scanning entirely seperate from sane?
21:20<ruipedroca>hplip keeps saying "5012 Error"
21:20<dumbo>natsukashi_, sign up for exclusive membership. i am also in the same club of unemployed.
21:20<PiklesOnFire>djc, idk honestly, i followed a guide i found online for my printer. i'll see if i can locate it again for ruipedroca
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21:21<natsukashi_>hm, how big is my Ubuntu partition now again ...
21:21<Falsechicken>anyone know how to fix the font on my logon screen? I changed the resolution and now the font is really small. like crazy small. like dots
21:21*natsukashi_ talks to himself
21:21<dumbo>natsukashi_, autopartition
21:22<dumbo>let debian select the default values.
21:22<natsukashi_>40GB it is
21:22<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, i'm guessing the fix i sent you yesterday fixed it?
21:22<dumbo>so you get it up ASAP.
21:22<Falsechicken>yeah. i edited xorg.conf
21:22<natsukashi_>dumbo: I don't trust autopartition!
21:22<natsukashi_>I'd rather partition myself
21:23<ruipedroca>I've installed hpoj, but xsane stills doesn't find it. Should I restart any service?
21:23<Falsechicken>and told it only one resolution. now all the font is crazy small. even the session options and the message when you log into root is small.
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21:23<prahal>ruipedroca: hp-toolbox should provide more meaningfull error
21:24<locsmif>natsukashi_, try the 64bit partitioner
21:24<ruipedroca>ok, I'll check it out
21:24<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, you are using gnome?
21:24<djc>natsukashi_, lenny's auto paritition in the installer is fine
21:24<locsmif>it will partition your hdd automatically ;-)
21:24<dumbo>Falsechicken, xdebconfigurator
21:24<djc>it will make a /boot, and a /
21:24<djc>and swap
21:24<djc>i think, anyway
21:24<prahal>ruipedroca: oups but without hpoj . This one is old and will probably break hp-toolbox
21:24<djc>as long as nothing else is on the drive, it cant hurt to let it
21:24<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, [main menu]->System->Prefs->Appearance->Font ;[
21:24<djc>even if there is, it should let you know and use free space only
21:25<dumbo>djc, just for kick i installed with auto and i got just / and swap.
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21:25<dumbo>it didnt do the /boot
21:25<dumbo>and its not lenny i used squeeze
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21:25<PiklesOnFire>dumbo, it doesn't create a separate /boot unless you tell it too
21:25<dumbo>and before that i tried sid
21:25<Falsechicken>but will that apply to the login screen or just my account? because the resolution only applied to my account
21:25<PiklesOnFire>dumbo, i <3 squeeze ;p
21:25<dumbo>hehe. me too.
21:25<natsukashi_>I have a lot of information on the same disk. That's why I'd rather partition myself
21:25<djc>dumbo, maybe if the drive isnt too large it doesnt need /boot
21:25<dumbo>sid too.
21:25<PiklesOnFire>Falsechicken, sorry, that's your account. crap
21:26<dumbo>but it pisses me off at times.
21:26<PiklesOnFire>dumbo, sid's too unstable for my taste. i <3 something new, but stable ;p
21:26<dumbo>120 gb is small considering 350 for laptop these days.
21:26<natsukashi_>Also, when I tried Ubuntus auto-partitioner and it wiped my whole C: drive. ;_;
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21:26<ruipedroca>prahal: I've already installed hpoj now..
21:26<ruipedroca>hplip stills functions
21:27<dumbo>PiklesOnFire, hehehe. i like squeeze/sid
21:27<dumbo>just when it breaks? i goes uttering all kind of things.
21:27<dumbo>like i am doing with live-initramfs
21:27<PiklesOnFire>dumbo, exactly, which is why i like a straight squeeze
21:27<natsukashi_>also, there isn't any big difference in the Terminal between Debian and Ubuntu, right?
21:27<Falsechicken>yeah. so im stuck
21:28<dumbo>i never used ubuntu
21:28<dumbo>i wuv debian.
21:28<dumbo>Falsechicken, xdebconfigurator
21:28<Falsechicken>ok ill try that.
21:28<dumbo>and restart x
21:28<dumbo>and check.
21:28<natsukashi_>dumbo: Tell me how to install fluxbox and I'll notice if I'll have any major problems. :)
21:29<dumbo>apt-get install fluxbox
21:29<PiklesOnFire>natsukashi_, apt-get install fluxbox
21:29<natsukashi_>Since the most complicated thing I can do is to install things through the terminal. >.>
21:29<prahal>ruipedroca: hplip is a package that takes care that all the dependencies for printing, scanning, memory stick are there . You also want hplip-gui
21:29<prahal>reinstalling it will remove hpoj
21:29<natsukashi_>Alas, the same as Ubuntu. I'll survive!
21:29<dumbo>synaptic got a gui
21:30<natsukashi_>synaptic is awesome
21:30<ruipedroca>yes, I'm running the gui hplip version 3.9.2 wich I got from hp site today
21:30<dumbo>i mean synaptic is a gui for apt cli, i mean a gui wrapper.
21:30<natsukashi_>Right, which file system is the best to install Debian on? ext3?
21:31<prahal>ruipedroca: gasp you mixed debian with upstream ... that won't work well if you did not upgraded everything from upstream at the same time (and probably a few libraries too)
21:31<PiklesOnFire>natsukashi_, that's a matter of opinion and file usage, i like xfs personally
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21:31<prahal>well it may work ... only that become hard to know why something could go wrong
21:31<dumbo>i try and i try. just 3 week back live-initramfs worked like a charm. now i feel sleepy with so many failed attempts.
21:32<dumbo>ext2 else ext3 if you want journalled.
21:32<prahal>ruipedroca: does hp-toolbox start and report the status ?
21:32<natsukashi_>PiklesOnFire: If I say that I enjoy speed. Which file system would you recommend?
21:32<dumbo>ext4 is nice too.
21:32<ruipedroca>well, I've installed lenny a few days ago, and then run all the updates
21:32<ruipedroca>so I guess it is up to date
21:32<dumbo>ext2 gives you the defrag option.
21:32<ruipedroca>but you're saying I should have updated also after installed hplip today, right?
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21:32<PiklesOnFire>natsukashi_, i'd go with ext4/xfs. they both support EAs and ACLs as well, which is always good ;p
21:33<natsukashi_>Okay. :)
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21:33<prahal>ruipedroca: well let s try with the current state of affair first .
21:33<PiklesOnFire>natsukashi_, ext2/fat is good for /boot btw, which doesn't need such amazing filesystems, and grub doesn't really support reiser, xfs, or ext4
21:33<ruipedroca>ok, any ideas? I feel stuck..
21:33<PiklesOnFire>oh natsukashi_ reiser is another good choice, but i find xfs has a slightly better performance curve
21:34<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, i'm still looking for the article i used to get up and running
21:34<ruipedroca>ok, thanks
21:34<PiklesOnFire>any time
21:34<dumbo>agrees with PiklesOnFire xfs is very good.
21:34<natsukashi_>I guess I'll go with xfs then. :)
21:35<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, best way to find out, is to create a few partitions, and toy around w. creating and deleting files of diff sizes and randomness and such, as well as copying the files... find which works best w. your system
21:35<PiklesOnFire>esp if you're going to use lvm/encryption which takes a minimal performance hit on all filesystems
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21:35<prahal>ruipedroca: no I told that hplip current upstream could break if you did not took all the pieces from upstream . And even then lenny packages would have been more stable than upstream ones "on debian" . did you ran ?
21:35<PiklesOnFire>natsukashi_, actually, sorry
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21:36<ruipedroca>prahal: yes, I've ran it just like the instructions for debian on hp site
21:36<dumbo>cesurasean1, did you try nxclient?
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21:36<dumbo>its a very thin client.
21:37<dumbo>and if you see the URL it says it even works with a 14.4 kbps dialup adapter.
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21:37<natsukashi_>... gparted doesn't let me format to ext4
21:37<natsukashi_>That's strange
21:37<dumbo>did you load ext4 support?
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21:38<natsukashi_>dumbo: I doubt it
21:38<PiklesOnFire>natsukashi_, what version of Debian, sorry
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21:38<natsukashi_>PiklesOnFire: I'm currently using Ubuntu 8.10
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21:38<natsukashi_>Going to upgrade to Debain 5.0
21:38*PiklesOnFire doesn't know about ubuntu's support for ext4, sorry =/
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21:39<dumbo>i guess i am trying live-initramfs daily 5-6 times. each time successful image. but it hangs at with the squashfs=rr error.
21:40<dumbo> says the bug is fixed. and i am using a higher version with the same bug.
21:40<dumbo>may be its an advanced feature.
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21:41<prahal>ruipedroca: ok . what about hp-toolbox . Does it start and report the status (if so which is the error text ?)
21:42<dumbo>is scanner config this tough?
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21:43<ruipedroca>prahal: yes, it starts ok, it appears both the printer and fax, but it states "device communication error 5012"
21:43<PiklesOnFire>dumbo, not generally ;p
21:43<prahal>ruipedroca: could you run hp-setup as root . It should show you the same process as during the install .
21:43<dumbo>PiklesOnFire, i dont have a scanner device. so that scanner thing leaves me blinking.
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21:44<natsukashi_>Which burning tool do you folks recommend for Gnome btw? :)
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21:44<PiklesOnFire>natsukashi_, i use brasero
21:44<PiklesOnFire>xcdroast is good also though ;p
21:45<dumbo>if you got a scsi device and burn speed is slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww?
21:45<DeepDayze>xcdroast is kinda old though
21:45<dumbo>reconfigure kernel and all should be fine.
21:45<ruipedroca>when I try as root it displays a warning saying root should not do it
21:45<ruipedroca>and then: warning: No display found.
21:45<ruipedroca>plus: error: hp-toolbox requires GUI support. Exiting.
21:45<dumbo>genisoimage? cdrecord --help
21:45<natsukashi_>PiklesOnFire: Brasero just crashes for me. :)
21:45<dumbo>if you like console
21:46<prahal>ruipedroca: hp-setup that is not hp-toolbox
21:46<PiklesOnFire>natsukashi_, ew, that's no good
21:46<natsukashi_>nah, more found of GUI
21:46<dumbo>brasero never used.
21:46<PiklesOnFire>gnome-baker is like brasero, but... idk, i'm just not as fond of it
21:46<ruipedroca>prahal: I've ran hp-toolbox, see the warning: "warning: hp-toolbox should not be run as root/superuser."
21:46<dumbo>is it a scsi drive.
21:46<dumbo>or an ide device?
21:47<prahal>ruipedroca: hp-setup is not the same as hp-toolbox .
21:47<ruipedroca>ok, I got it
21:47<ruipedroca>will try now
21:47<natsukashi_>dumbo: dunno. Doesn't say. :o
21:47<PiklesOnFire>natsukashi_, first off, laptop or desktop?
21:47<PiklesOnFire>most likesly ide...
21:48<PiklesOnFire>but that's not always the case
21:48<natsukashi_>Well, it's four years old
21:48<dumbo>dmesg | grep -i cd-rom
21:48<dumbo>ide for sure.
21:48<dumbo>you need to tweak it with hdparm
21:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 396] by debhelper
21:49<dumbo>else your burning speed will be raced by a koala.
21:50<PiklesOnFire>a turd sitting in the grass
21:50<dumbo>you can wake up next morning and brush and have breakfast and if lucky you may hear k3b play the trumpet.
21:50<PiklesOnFire>nah, you could prolly come back from work and it'll still be burning ;p
21:50<dumbo>w/o verifying * conditions apply
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21:50<dumbo>wont bet on that.
21:54<ruipedroca>ok, I just finished now the automatic installer, this time as root
21:54<ruipedroca>but xsane doesn't still find the scanner
21:54<ruipedroca>shall I restart something? cups?..
21:54<prahal>hp-toolbox still shows the same error ?
21:55<natsukashi_>fill me in on how to tweak my burning thingy in a few minutes. I've got to attend to some addictions
21:55<dumbo>scanner + debian = lethal
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21:56<dumbo>you need to edit /etc/hdparm.conf and set dma on for the burning drives.
21:56<dumbo>that should do.
21:56<dumbo>if no then further dig.
21:57<ruipedroca>it refreshed, then the same "device communication error 5012" appears
21:57<dumbo>scanner + debian = lethal. ruipedroca. stay away. toss it into a river and take a deep breathe.
21:58<dumbo>then say "AUM"
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21:58<prahal>ruipedroca: if it still show the same error . Could you paste in the output from "hp-check -t" ran as root
21:58<ruipedroca>yeah, I just feel like it
21:59<PiklesOnFire>mmm maryjane
21:59<ruipedroca>making progress: I tried to print and it printed
21:59<ruipedroca>and another line appeared on the hplip reporting it successfuly
22:00<ruipedroca>so the 5012 error its a log when I try to launch xsane and it doesn't find the scanner
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22:00<dumbo>ruipedroca, last try? recompile kernel.
22:00<ruipedroca>tried it again and confirm
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22:01<asdfasdfasdf>hi there
22:01<ruipedroca>how can I do it?
22:01<dumbo>and enable scanner support in kernel or recompile that thingie "scanner" blah blah as a loadable module
22:01<dumbo>and then take a shot?
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22:01<dumbo>asdfasdfasdf, asl please.
22:01<prahal>ruipedroca: what is the output from "groups" ran as your user
22:01<asdfasdfasdf>i would like to install debian 5 but i dont know what is my computer architecture.. how can i find out that?
22:02<dumbo>natsukashi_, will guide you.
22:02<dumbo>natsukashi_, table is all yours.
22:02<ruipedroca>prahal: "user dialout fax cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin powerdev scanner
22:02<prahal>dumbo: scanner support from the kernel is gone hundreds years ago :)
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22:02<ruipedroca>dumbo: I'll try anything
22:02<dumbo>prahal, then no go than order deep soup.
22:03<dumbo>maryjane. merry me, maryjane.
22:03<PiklesOnFire>rofl - great song
22:03<dumbo>what time is it PiklesOnFire. my watch says 4:20
22:03<ruipedroca>funny thing is before I've installed debian, I had ubuntu 8.04 and I could scan with xsane, ie, same hardware
22:03<ruipedroca>but not out-of-the-box though..
22:04<prahal>ruipedroca: what is in /etc/udev/rules.d/55-hpmud.rules
22:04<natsukashi_>dumbo: mine says 04:03, I live in Sweden. GMT+1
22:04<dumbo>try the same apporach.
22:04<PiklesOnFire>dumbo, 10:04 ;p
22:04<dumbo>4:20 is the code for maryjane.
22:04<PiklesOnFire>i know that ;p
22:04<PiklesOnFire>my watch always says 4:20
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22:05<dumbo>prahal, doesn't udev auto configure the device's IPC?
22:05<dumbo>if its gone from kernel? then udev must handle it. isnt it?
22:05<ruipedroca>prahal: its about 2 pages of text, should I paste it here or ...?
22:05<dumbo>may be i am wrong correct me.
22:06<PiklesOnFire>i think you're right dumbo
22:06<prahal>ruipedroca: you can install pastebinit and just run "pastebin /etc/udev/rules.d/55-hpmud.rules"
22:07<dumbo>PiklesOnFire, mmm.
22:07<dumbo>ruipedroca, and me in same boat but different destination.
22:07<dumbo>ruipedroca, is stuck with scanner and me with live-initramfs
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22:08<PiklesOnFire>dumbo, pm me. update me on your issue if you don't mind
22:08<prahal>dumbo: it does . Only I don't know which group is used by the upstream installed (debian one for this version is lp for printing AND scanning ) . Changed recently from "scanner"
22:08<prahal>this will tell
22:08<natsukashi_afk>I'm gonna try to sleep. Thanks for the help everyone. :D
22:08<dumbo>natsukashi_afk, be my guest.
22:08<dumbo>PiklesOnFire, wait up.
22:11<dumbo>prahal, seriously? i never used scanner. so it leaves me clueless.
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22:11<ruipedroca>prahal: it says:
22:11<prahal>dumbo: :) who is taking care of digitalizing all those old photos !
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22:12<prahal>ruipedroca: ok so group "lp" membership is needed
22:12<nas>i cannot compile vserver in lenny
22:12<prahal>to be able to access the scanner
22:12<dumbo>old skewl aka old school via M$ OS running the scanner.
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22:12<ruipedroca>ok, I'll do it
22:12<prahal>adduser <your user> lp
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22:13<ruipedroca>ok, now what?
22:14<ruipedroca>dumbo: if I can help in some way, please say so
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22:14<prahal>logout and login is the usual way . To test you can "su <your user>" and run in this shell hp-toolbox
22:15<ruipedroca>ok, Ill do it
22:15<prahal>the error should be gone . You can also double check that in this shell you have membership for lp after "su" by typîng "groups"
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22:15<dumbo>slow tabber.
22:16<dumbo>before i could tab ruipedroca? he closed his connection.
22:16<nas>> lenny hangs when applying the vs2.2.0.7 patch to the vserver kernel
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22:18<dumbo>ruipedroca, i am stuck with live-initramfs
22:18<cesurasean1>I can't use the $ key when using Remote Desktop
22:18<ruipedroca>prahal, xsane now WORKS!!!
22:18<cesurasean1>anyone have a clue if this is a bug?
22:18<cesurasean1>im running Debian Lenny
22:18<dumbo>the bugtracker says its fixed. and i am using a higher version with the same bug.
22:18<ruipedroca>Thanks a lot!! Really appreciate the help!!!
22:18<dumbo>ruipedroca, celebrate.
22:19*dumbo beats the drums
22:19<dumbo>ruipedroca, is giving us all a treat.
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22:19<prahal>thanks mandriva I found this exact error meaning on their help forums
22:19<ruipedroca>yeah, that's it guys!!!
22:19<dumbo>cesurasean1, nxclient
22:19<dumbo>try it.
22:20<dumbo>i dont think debian provides it.
22:20<ruipedroca>Debian rules!!
22:20<dumbo>install and then give a shot.
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22:20<dumbo>ruipedroca, right. amen.
22:21<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, now do a backup of your data before something goes horridly wrong ;p
22:21<ruipedroca>dumbo: I'd like to help you, but I don't even know whats live-initramfs.. is it bugging you?
22:21<dumbo>partimage /dev/rootfs
22:21<dumbo>ruipedroca, since last sunday.
22:22<dumbo>daily 6 attempts.
22:22<ruipedroca>PiklesOnFire: great idea! Can I do a simple backup of the printer and scanner?
22:22<dumbo>all fail attempts.
22:22<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, idk, i do full system backups, only excluding a few directories, usually around a 3gig archive file using pax and bzip2
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22:23<dumbo>partimage......... wewwwwwwwwww
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22:24<dumbo>partimage lets you backup a full hdd
22:24<ruipedroca>PiklesOnFire: that sounds fine! Can I burn it onto a dvd while running the operative system?
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22:24<ruipedroca>dumbo: ok, Ive got it!
22:24<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, yes you can XD
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22:24<dumbo>then you can mount it with qemu.
22:25<dumbo>and may make a live cd of it.
22:25<cesurasean1>what is nxclient?
22:25<PiklesOnFire>and ruipedroca you can create a custom livecd, include it w. that, and then you always have an easy way to restore ;p
22:25<dumbo>and you will end up frustated like how i am with live-initramfs.
22:25<dumbo>nxclient is an extremely thin client.
22:25<PiklesOnFire>bwahahahaha, dumbo - great minds think alike ;p
22:25<cesurasean1>I don't need a thin client for Windows.
22:25<prahal>bah is down !?(
22:26<dumbo>just the difference in opion kicks the horse to walk atleast.
22:26<cesurasean1>I'm using tightvnc for Windows and trying to remote VNC to a debian box
22:26<PiklesOnFire>prahal, indeed :[
22:26<cesurasean1>everything works fine with keyboard mapping, except for the $, etc
22:26<dumbo>cesurasean1, did you try it?
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22:26<cesurasean1>nxclient for Windows?
22:26<ruipedroca>PiklesOnFire: I've read about it and I was wondering how to do it
22:26<cesurasean1>nxclient for Windows Operating System?
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22:27<dumbo>nxclient got windows binaries too.
22:27<ruipedroca>I'm on an encrypted raid 1 and installed openoffice 3, gimp and a few other programs
22:27<twb>Can someone who has not been playing silly buggers please do a "stat /var/log/" and tell me what the access permissions are?
22:27<dumbo>did you try the keyboard mapping?
22:27<ruipedroca>so creating a custom cd would be great
22:27<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, i'll send you a link to a general how-to for creating the image, burning it and making a livecd is a bit more of a process
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22:27<ruipedroca>PiklesOnFire: thanks a lot!
22:27<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, what filesystem do you use?
22:28<ruipedroca>could I then install it again or will it only be a backup?
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22:28<ruipedroca>i'm on ext3
22:28<ruipedroca>in all partitions
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22:29<PiklesOnFire>ruipedroca, you could use the standard livecd in recovery mode, have your backup on a usb disk, and use that to recover. that's what i typically do. i only burn a dvd about once a month and that's for major changes, but that's just me. i also like my usb way too ;p
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22:29<bignose>aptitude has nice search capabilities, including searching on the binary package's dependency relationships.
22:29<PiklesOnFire>and ruipedroca one last question before i help w. the backup, do you use extended attributes or ACLs?
22:29<prahal>twb: Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
22:29<bignose>what tool can I use to perform complex serches on source package dependencies (e.g. Build-Depends, Build-Depends-Indep)?
22:30<dumbo>ruipedroca, dpkg --get-selections > myselections to back up your packages, then dpkg --clear-selections to clear after a new install, then dpkg --set-selections <myselections to put back new packages to the apt package db, then apt-select dselect-upgrade, after you do the apt-get update with all repo and et al.
22:30<ruipedroca>PiklesOnFire: no, i'm not using ACL's nor EA's
22:30<twb>prahal: thanks
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22:31<ruipedroca>ok, i guess i'll try that first in an another computer
22:31<dumbo>ruipedroca, dpkg --get-selections > some-short-name-for-package-list
22:31<PiklesOnFire>kk, tar+bzip2 is good for your backups ;p pax is useful for acls and ea's though
22:32<dumbo>then dpkg --clear-selections after you install debian back.
22:32<cesurasean1>The NX service is not available or the NX access was disabled on host
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22:32<cesurasean1>what does this mean with the NX client?
22:32<dumbo>then dpkg --set-selections < some-short-name-for-package-list
22:32<dumbo>then apt-get update with your repo distrib and all
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22:33<prahal>bignose: devscripts
22:33<dumbo>if it says new gpg keys? then get the keys and type gpg --recv-keys keys (--key-server keyserver flag is optional.
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22:33<ruipedroca>hey guys, would you do me a favor? Could you email me a .txt file with all this conversation in case i need to follow this someday?
22:33<ruipedroca>i had to log out and log in again and i've missed half of it..
22:33<prahal>dctrl-tools especially
22:33<dumbo>and then finally apt-get dselect-upgrade
22:33<dumbo>and viola all old packages are back.
22:34<bignose>prahal: thanks
22:34<dumbo>and backup your /etc directory.
22:34<cesurasean1>how do I install nxclient for debian?
22:34<ruipedroca>dumbo: ok!
22:34<cesurasean1>or get my nxclient to connect
22:35<dumbo>nxclient can be obtained from the providers URL.
22:35<dumbo>and they got an extensive manual.
22:35<dumbo>google nxclient
22:35<prahal>cesurasean1: and
22:36<prahal>you need freenx on the server side
22:36<ruipedroca>please, guys, just take a minute to email me this conversation
22:36<dumbo>i forgot to say that.
22:36<dumbo>you need nxserver or freenx-server* for that.
22:36<dumbo>ruipedroca, i guess i didnt enable chat log.
22:37<prahal>though nx is worth the trouble . Way faster than anything else
22:38<ruipedroca>adb: ok, thanks!
22:38<dumbo>i said it already.
22:38<dumbo>it works on a 14.4 kbps
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22:41<bernardo>flash plugin for mozilla on lenny 64?
22:41<gsimmons>adb: Uh, wrong network. Those are logs of the freenode channel.
22:41<dumbo>inside 32 bit chroot.
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22:42<ruipedroca>Thanks to all, specially prahal, PiklesOnFire, dumbo and adb!!!!!!!!!
22:42<ruipedroca>Love Debian!!
22:42<dumbo>ruipedroca, welcome.
22:42<dumbo>me too.
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22:43<bernardo>what is the best flash plugin for mozilla on lenny 64
22:43<cesurasean1>nxclient works fine now with the $ key, and keyboard mapping. :)
22:43<cesurasean1>thanks for the help
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22:43<cesurasean1>thanks dumbo
22:43<dumbo>bernardo, you can run it in a chroot environment only IIRC.
22:43<adb>gsimmons: ah , ...
22:44<dumbo>else you can use the gnu swf support, aka gnash
22:44<dumbo>cesurasean1, :-)
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22:44<Steven_M>hi all
22:44<dumbo>atleast linux esply debian community is extremely helpful.
22:44<bernardo>dumbo: thx
22:44<dumbo>in openbsd i was bluntly told, RTFM idiot. :-(
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22:45<dumbo>and i was walking with openbsd crutches.
22:45<dumbo>bernardo, :-)
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22:45<bernardo>dumbo: does it work with mozilla?
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22:45<dumbo>bernardo, all of 'em.
22:45<dumbo>but you will see major quality difference.
22:46<dumbo>you can try clive to suck the videos and then play those flv files.
22:46<dumbo>apt-cache search clive
22:46<bernardo>dumbo: because i just installed it and it's not working...
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22:46<prahal>mozilla-plugin-gnash ?
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22:46<dumbo>this is the right one.
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22:47<martinmdp>hi All
22:47<martinmdp>sorry for the question, but i'm trying since a month to do apt-get upgrade and always obtain 0 packages, 0 updates ... is it ok??
22:47<joao>alguem br ?
22:47<prahal>swfdec is another one ... they are on par with regards to video but I found gnash supported more functionanlities (send via post , such things. Still far from complete but still)
22:47<dumbo>check your repo
22:47<bernardo>joao: fala ai
22:47<bernardo>prahal: thx
22:47<bernardo>dumbo: thx
22:48<dumbo>bernardo, :-)
22:48<joao>to tentando entrar no server da brasnet mais num da
22:48<bernardo>joao: ah ta
22:48<joao>pq mano ?
22:48<prahal>fare well
22:48<bernardo>joao: num sei nao...
22:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:48<dumbo>prahal, IIRC i need flash just to see some youtube videos.
22:49<dumbo>which i can very well get via clive
22:49<gsimmons>martinmdp: What version of Debian are you using?
22:49<dumbo>so i dont need mush of support.
22:49<joao>fla ai um otro server bom ai bernardo
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22:50<locsmif>martinmdp, something is obviously wrong
22:50<dumbo>martinmdp, can you recheck your /etc/apt/sources.list
22:51*dumbo agrees with locsmif
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22:51<prahal>martinmdp: do you do "apt-get update" before that ?
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22:52<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
22:52<dpkg>i guess in is India. For Debian India, see #debian-in
22:52<Steven_M>Hi all
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22:52<twb>I should read more scrollback
22:52<twb>Is pt_BR really so different from pt_PT?
22:53<locsmif>A little bit
22:53<Steven_M>Are my sources.list my prefrerences file set up correctly for pining from experimental?
22:53<twb>Is pt_BR really so different from pt_PT (as to need a separate chanal)?
22:53<locsmif>that..probably not
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22:53<martinmdp>i do apt-get update before apt-get upgrade, always, my sources.list : deb lenny main non-free contrib
22:53<locsmif>Angolans speak PT as well, so they'd have to make a choice between the Portuguese and Brazilian channel..
22:54<Steven_M>I mean: Are my sources.list and my prefrerences file set up correctly for pining from experimental?
22:54<locsmif>no security line in there, martinmdp
22:54<dumbo>deb lenny/updates main contrib deb lenny main contrib non-free, one has non-free other doesnt
22:54<dumbo>edit it.
22:54<locsmif>martinmdp, no security line
22:55<locsmif>martinmdp, most updates come from security
22:55<martinmdp>ok, i goin to check that (sorry for my english)
22:56<martinmdp>thanks dumbo
22:56<dumbo>experimental got security line?
22:56<twb>locsmif: (my guess would be that it's not much worse then es_ES vs. south american es... or en_GB vs. en_US)
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22:58<martinmdp>still having 0 updates
22:58<martinmdp>when i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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22:59<locsmif>martinmdp, and no errors?
23:00<dumbo>martinmdp, said 0 updates.
23:00<dumbo>did you refresh the list?
23:00<martinmdp>0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 0 no actualizados.
23:00<martinmdp>(in spanish)
23:00<dumbo>dpkg --clear-selections
23:00<dpkg>dumbo: are you smoking crack?
23:00<prahal>martinmdp: ran apt-get update
23:01<martinmdp>prahal already do apt-get update
23:01<dumbo> dpkg --clear-selections lets you clear your current package db
23:01<dpkg>dumbo: I give up, what is it?
23:01<dumbo> .dpkg --clear-selections lets you clear your current package db
23:01<dumbo>aah works.
23:01<locsmif>martinmdp, paste the output of the commands "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy" to
23:02<locsmif>give us the urls of your pastes
23:02<dumbo>apt-get dselect-upgrade
23:03<nas>guys where is the url for submitting large text
23:03<russh347>I have an A31p which I've been using for a few years now. Just dist-upgraded it (testing). Boot now results in "Out of Memory: Kill process 2 (migration/0) score 0 and children" repeating forever.
23:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:03<nas>it's several liner error message
23:03<russh347>Seems to occur after populating /dev
23:03<martinmdp>my apt-get update:
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23:03<russh347>nothing ends up in /var/log
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23:04<martinmdp>is in spanish
23:05<dumbo>i just keep volatile just to be safe. which i asked to add.
23:05<martinmdp>apt-cache policy:
23:05<dumbo>blame me. not him.
23:05<adb>martinmdp: hmm using lenny , volatile, testing ....
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23:06<dumbo>okay i will guess i need to reboot. be back with the standard kernel.
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23:07<dpkg>volatile is, like, a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free
23:07<martinmdp>eureka boys
23:07<martinmdp>59,1 Mb upgrades
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23:08<nas>this is the error i encopuntered
23:08<martinmdp>i miss the security repository
23:08<locsmif>martinmdp, hmm, I think I said that
23:08<locsmif>< locsmif> martinmdp, no security line < locsmif> martinmdp, most updates come from security
23:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 390] by debhelper
23:09<locsmif>your paste of apt-cache policy showed it though
23:09<locsmif>martinmdp, however, I'm worried about the lack of normal Debian repo
23:09<martinmdp>yes locsmif, i added the security line from dumbo, but forget change "testing" for "lenny"
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23:12<locsmif>martinmdp, you didn't replace "deb lenny main contrib non-free" with "deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free" , did you?
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23:14<locsmif>martinmdp, volatile is not a replacement for lenny, it is an addition, if I'm not mistaken.
23:14<dumbo>locsmif, is correct.
23:15<dumbo>i just keep it to be safe.
23:15<martinmdp>im using volatile locsmif
23:15<locsmif>martinmdp, then you need lenny + volatile + security sources
23:15<martinmdp>yes locsmif, i ll show you
23:15<dumbo>if anything important comes up? i can grab it as it is.
23:15<locsmif>martinmdp: please do
23:16<dumbo>runs lh_build again. long pause stare,
23:18<locsmif>martinmdp, just as I thought
23:18<locsmif>martinmdp, that sources.list is *wrong*
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23:19<dumbo>i told you to add those two lined to the existing one.
23:19<dumbo>my fault i am a bad helper.
23:19<Overfiend> /m dpkg whip dumbo with a chain
23:19<Overfiend>oh, all right
23:19<martinmdp>no dumbo u are a great helper
23:19<Overfiend> /m dpkg whip dumbo with a feather boa
23:19<martinmdp>i'm the noob
23:20<nas>guys can please look into this error
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23:20<martinmdp>y should remove the volatile lines ?
23:21<Overfiend>I wonder how much spamassassin contributes to global warming. It's going to take it about 1 month to chew through 10 months' worth of accumulated mail. And that's nearly all mail to, not list traffic.
23:21<Overfiend>1 month, on a dual 1.25GHz G4
23:21<dumbo>Overfiend, you scare me.
23:21<dumbo>i am a greep peace supporter.
23:21<Overfiend>dumbo: muahahaha
23:21<Overfiend>mostly, my scarin' days are over
23:21<dumbo>they will make me campaign for them in the summer month.
23:22*Overfiend glares around evilly.
23:22<dumbo>for me scary days are on and will be in the list for a long time.
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23:22<martinmdp>dumbo: thanks !
23:22<Overfiend>dumbo: you think the spam situation is bad, try upgrading a 10-months out-of-date unstable box to lenny
23:22<dumbo>martinmdp, last time i gave you the incomplete answer.
23:23<Overfiend>I'm doing it in batches b/c I was a dumbass and forgot to start procmail under screen
23:23<Overfiend>so I really don't want the X server to die
23:23<martinmdp>dumbo: no problem :)
23:23<nas>anyone knows about this error kernel/built-in.o: In function `getnstimeofday':
23:23<dumbo>Overfiend, i got one usb with etch since 2007 nov no use.
23:23<dumbo>if you say so? i will try.
23:23<Overfiend>dumbo: EPARSE
23:23<dumbo>martinmdp, :-)
23:24<dumbo>Overfiend, use dietx
23:24<Overfiend>E: Unable to locate package dietx
23:24<martinmdp>now i have 260 mb of upgrades :D
23:24<adb>martinmdp: you want run lenny or testing ?
23:24<dumbo>diet x package?
23:24<locsmif>nas, difficult
23:24<dumbo>he can run all.
23:24<Overfiend>I wouldn't do that. X must be enjoyed in fullness.
23:24<dumbo>nas, its wrt to what?
23:25<adb>martinmdp: so change all to lenny
23:25<Overfiend>nas: what's the actual error message? you only pasted the part of the diagnostic that says what function the problem was found in
23:25<martinmdp>yes adb i'm on lenny :)
23:25<adb>don't use any testing
23:25<locsmif>nas, does it compile without the patch applied (iow: if you skip the patch -p1 .. line?
23:26<dumbo>adb, why not?
23:26<adb> testing is no lenny
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23:26<Overfiend>it's the kernel, so it's not C++, so a single diagnostic should not exceed 16kB and get you kicked for pasting
23:26<dumbo>why not testing?
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23:26<locsmif>If so, the patch is causing a link error and may require some additional -l parameters to gcc
23:26<adb>dumbo: he want lenny
23:26<dumbo>okay then.
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23:26<nas>dumbo: it is with respect to this post
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23:27<nas>locsmif: think got to execute the patch
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23:27<nas>not usre
23:27<nas>not sure*
23:27<dumbo>oh shit vs.
23:27<nas>haven't tried without the patch
23:27<dumbo>i surrender.
23:28<Overfiend>__umoddi3 vaguely rings a bell
23:28<Overfiend>but only a vague one
23:28<dumbo>nas why not xen?
23:28<dumbo>i never used either of them tho.
23:29<martinmdp>thanks for all boys, good night for everyone :)
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23:30<dpkg>it has been said that xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on or see
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23:40<dumbo>W: was corrupt & W: was corrupt, then i ran debootstrap in chroot and it updates. why such autism with the debootstrap
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23:47<hdtdi>hi there
23:48<hdtdi>i installed iceweasel but i cant find how to install flash player plugin can someone help me ?
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23:51<dpkg>flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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23:53<hdtdi>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
23:53<locsmif>add non-free to sources
23:53<stew>hdtdi: what version of debian are you running?
23:53<locsmif>apt-get update
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23:53<hdtdi>i did already apt-get update
23:53<stew>hdtdi: you have to get it from then: /msg dpkg bpo
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23:53<stew>and its on contrib, not non-free
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23:53<stew>err i
23:54<stew>err 'in' not 'on'
23:54<GarsanDe>necesito ayuda por aca pueden ?
23:54<nas>dumbo: bec we use vserver
23:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:54<dumbo>nas sorry man!
23:54<locsmif>stew, apologies
23:54<dumbo>no clue.
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23:55<stew>locsmif: no worries, its obviously an easy mixup :)
23:55<locsmif>stew, I get nothing from apt-cache policy, and I have backports in the sources
23:55<locsmif>O wait, commented out :)
23:55<stew>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
23:55<judd>stew: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.5
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23:56<locsmif>stew, I guess I never installed flash on my Debian stable server in the first place
23:56<dumbo>flashplugin-nonfree is in debian-multimedia repo
23:56<locsmif>binary shit seems like a Bad Thing on a server ;-)
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23:57<dumbo>swfdec or gnash
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23:59<dli_>dumbo: gnash is under more active development
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