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00:24<fdsfasdfa>when i do apt-get is there a place it stores the packages so i can take them to other computers?
00:25<fdsfasdfa>or a way to download them and not install them?
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01:03<lenny09>i would like to install lenny on a virtual machine to try advanced installation and learn more, is there any way to do this ?
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01:04<gsimmons>!tell lenny09 -about virtualization
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01:14<lenny09>it is quite informative but waht i really mean is "how install lenny on vmware and then debian as guest os"
01:15<lenny09>"how install lenny on vmware and then lenny as guest os" so that i can learn to install lenny in expert mode
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01:31<junix>i seem to be having some issues getting sftp chrooted on debian lenny, i have added the necessary config to my /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but when I connect its not letting me in, its just dropping the connection
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01:34<boaz>how does one mount a samba drive in mepis
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01:34<boaz>version 8
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01:35<gsimmons>boaz: Mepis isn't supported here. You would want to ask your question in #mepis on the Freenode IRC network.
01:36<boaz>and how do I get there
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01:53<Necrun>this is not a debian question, but how can I append to a txt file the output of the ls command?
01:53<Necrun>something like ls > a.txt
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01:56<johns>ls >> a.txt
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01:58<clodde>i'd like to install 2.6.18 kernel into my lenny. if i add etch to my sources.list then update then aptitude install kernel-image 2.6.18 would that be ok?
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02:00<Necrun>thx johns
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03:01<nas>actually i tried gcc 3.4
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03:01<nas>ok maybe i try 3.3 as well
03:02<nas>thanks guys, k i'll try
03:02<Guest1470>hey you what is your talking about?!!
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03:02<nas>sorry wrong window
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03:03<Guest1470>I megatron
03:03<Guest1470>you kiloyton
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03:05<beer> <- there is nearly as many bugs in testing that there is in stable
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03:17<valdyn>beer: that page isnt useful for stable now
03:18<valdyn>beer: something considered a bug in testing and stable *now* might not have been a bug for the lenny release
03:19<Guest1472>Hello, does anyone know, how t configure Xserver to use radeonhd driver? I used the instructions written on this site: , but I have no output on my lcd panel (external monitor does)
03:19<valdyn>beer: example: squeeze release goal is everything compiled with gcc-4.4 -> everything in lenny gets hit by the bug " compiled against wrong package "
03:20<valdyn>beer: while that isnt a bug for lenny
03:20<valdyn>beer: should say " compiled with wrong compiler "
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03:21<valdyn>Guest1472: not at all, the config file doesnt need to exist
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03:23<david_>Dammit, I've lost connection, will repeat my question
03:23<valdyn>beer: mind, thats just a made up example, i dont know what the bugs really are
03:23<david_>Hello, does anyone know, how t configure Xserver to use radeonhd driver? I used the instructions written on this site: , but I have no output on my lcd panel (external monitor does)
03:24<valdyn>david_: dont use a config file at all
03:24<valdyn>david_: then start X, then use xrandr to set up whatever
03:24<beer>valdyn: I am getting the point
03:24<valdyn>beer: alright =)
03:25<david_>ok, will try it, thx
03:25<david_>X will use radeonhd driver as default?
03:26<valdyn>david_: it will normall use the right driver
03:26<david_><valdyn> david_: it will normall use the right driver
03:26<valdyn>david_: if it does not, then and only then it makes sense to fix it with the config file
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03:26<david_>gonna try id, bye
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04:08<zxxd>is there anything specific I must know from etch -> lenny upgrade? because I dont get any login prompt from getty anymore after upgrading
04:08<zxxd>does it depend on something specific
04:08<zxxd>on tty1 I get nothing
04:08<zxxd>no keyboard input stuck after rc.local
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04:08<fxiny>zxxd: topic --> type /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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04:09<zxxd>fxiny ???
04:09<fxiny>zxxd: type that in your irc client for the correct upgrade procedure
04:10<zxxd>fxiny I did all that
04:10<fxiny>using aptitude ?
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04:10<fxiny>aptitude install aptitude first ?
04:11<pioruns>if you haven't aptitude, use apt-get install aptitude
04:11<pioruns>then upgrade system using aptitude.
04:12<zxxd>dude i am not an idiot i did exactly as it says in that etch->lenny factoid
04:12<Saajan>Can i upgrade using synartic ?
04:12<fxiny>ok , then : more info ? hardware ?
04:13<fxiny>yes , is it new hardware ?
04:13<pioruns>what is your problem?
04:13<zxxd>fxiny: no same
04:14<zxxd>just software upgrade
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04:19<kapil>zxxd: boot to single user (use the grub alternative boot or add a 'single' to the kernel command line) and check. perhaps you didn't install getty or console-tools setup was messed up or ... too many possibilities
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04:20<fxiny>zxxd: check /var/log/aptitude*
04:20<fxiny>look into that first
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04:22<metalqga>fxiny: press F1 on the tv remote ctrl :D
04:23<fxiny>metalqga: hahah , i forgot :)
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04:24<metalqga>fxiny: at the time my fav pilot takes 10pts every time!!!
04:25<fxiny>metalqga: this is called : "bypassing ot lasers gun" ;)
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04:25<fxiny>pressing F1 , heheeh
04:26<zxxd>btw I am using xen
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04:26<fxiny>zxxd: btw ? wt4x !
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04:28<_[cipher]>howdy overone
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05:32<cr3>as normal user in dir with files lib*deb, when i type in 'dpkg -r lib' and press tab, bash completes shows list of actual installed libraries. when i do same think from root in same dir, bash completes do *deb files in that dir. why is that and how to fix it? shouldn't it be otherwise
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05:46<eanda>morning all. I have been using ripit for ripping my audio cd's It has been great and I have done almost my whole collection. But I have three audio cd's that just won't rip. One the ripit program cannot read the disc at all, but banshee can, two otheres ripit pulls in the cddb data but then fails reading the disc
05:46<eanda>any help or guidance here
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06:02<cahoot>eanda: if you use cdparanoia from cli - do you get any errormsg?
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06:03<eanda>I haven't tried that. what would be the command to run cdparanoia
06:04<eanda>I tried grip.. which uses cdparanoia but it won't load either
06:05<koollman>eanda: the command would be 'cdparanoia' :)
06:06<eanda>oh ok... thanks. brb
06:06<cahoot>eanda: (ripit uses cdparanoia it seems)
06:06<eanda> does...
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06:12<fxiny>eanda: what about abcde (cdparanoia) or mp3c ?
06:12<eanda>I haven't tried those
06:12<fxiny>i like ancde
06:13<fxiny>iirc jack uses cdparanoia
06:14<fxiny>mp3c can rip a single track
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06:15<eanda>fxinny: will abcde give me seperate tracks or the whole cd on one track
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06:18<fxiny>eanda: seperate tracks
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06:19<fxiny>reneger: i used mp3c long ago for ripping only one track
06:19<eanda>fxinny: is there a config file for abcde? so I don't have to extend a huge cli command?
06:19<eanda>abcde -d /dev/hdc
06:20<fxiny>eanda: yes , /etc/abcde.conf
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06:20<fxiny>eanda: it defaults to ogg
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06:22<fxiny>eanda: apt-cache show abcde
06:22<eanda>fxiny: can I make it redirect to a different directory while it is running?
06:23<eanda>cause it is running with abcde -d /dev/hdc and it successfully read the cd
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06:24<fxiny>eanda: can't remember that , not using it since long time , more info by running man abcde
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06:24<eanda>fxiny: well it went to the default directory ~/home.... and as wav files. How to I make it output to flac?
06:25<fxiny>eanda: edit /etc/abcde.conf # OUTPUTTYPE can be either "ogg", "mp3", "flac" or "spx", or a combination
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06:26<eanda>fxinny: ok thanks. its riiping right now..I'll get back in a few
06:26<fxiny>eanda: man abcde --> flac
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06:26<fxiny>eanda: it should work by just running abcde
06:27<eanda>fxinny. well I directed to use hdc because I have multiple cd's dvd's on this box
06:27<fxiny>i see
06:28<eanda>ut it is running right now. Why do you think abcde works but rip it doesn't
06:29<fxiny>i did not say that
06:30<eanda>oh ok
06:30<fxiny>eanda: is abcde ripping it ?
06:32<fxiny>eanda: abcde installed more packages ? try again with rip later
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06:33<fxiny>i never used rip
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06:38<eanda>fxinny: Thats what I'm doing right now. ripit works on the cd now but there is no cddb info available..
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06:38<Delf>me hello everyone ;)
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06:55<bevan>hi all
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06:57<bevan>well well well
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07:19<ottoshmidt>how can I make so that folders are opened with "File Browser" by default and not with "Open Folder"
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07:25<pwcca>when i do apt-get is there a place it stores the packages so i can take them to other computers? or a way to download them and not install them?
07:26<abrotman>or look at --print-uris
07:26<pwcca>so when i do apt-get they will all be in there so i would be able to transfer the files?
07:28<abrotman>!info apt-zip lenny
07:28<dpkg>apt-zip: (Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.18 (lenny), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 128 kB
07:30<eanda>fxiny: Thanks a bunch got all three ripped...
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07:58<christian>hi! bin debian anfänger und hab fragen, kann mir jemand helfen?
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08:00<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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08:31<eanda>abrotman: hey. I'm running fluxbox but am starting it from gdm due to multiuser logon. How do I get the xscreensaver to start on boot so that if noone is logged in the screen saver will start or how do I at least get it started up within each user loggon. It seems that GDM bypasses the fluxbox start config file
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08:32<abrotman>eanda: i don't use fluxbox .. but pretty sure that gdm will blank the screen after a bit
08:32<eanda>yes. it does. instead of blanking the screen can I make it run an xscreen saver?
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08:33<abrotman>i've never tried
08:33<abrotman>look at gdmsetup
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08:33<eanda>k. I'm going to jump to fluxbox room and see if anyone can help there
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08:34<fxiny>eanda: ~/.fluxbox/startup
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08:35<eanda>fxiny: if I use GDM for login won't it bypass my startup file?
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08:36<fxiny>eanda: do you want to run something when flux starts ?
08:36<fxiny>you log ing with gdm then run anything you want
08:37<eanda>no, only the screen saver app.. All users basically start with an empty desktop and no apps running.
08:37<eanda>but I do want the xscreensaver to be autoload
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08:39<fxiny>add it before the exec flux fox like this : /usr/bin/mrxvt & <--- or a script: ~/
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08:43<ml>fxiny: sup
08:44<fxiny>ml: don't use flux anymore ;)
08:45<ml>hehe, you or me?
08:45<fxiny>and you , i guess
08:45<ml>I tried nut prefered openbox :)
08:46<ml>I only use xmonad now :)
08:46<fxiny>i've checked the ugly vmwarez2 before : loggin in via firefox giving root pass . hahahaahah .
08:47<fxiny>seen ? when something sounds s* i say firefox instead of iceweasel:P
08:48<ml>is 3.0,8 out yet for iceweasel?
08:49<fxiny>who cares ? we get the xul* fixes from security team
08:49<ml>of didn't know :)
08:50<ml>here is my lastest masterpiece :P
08:50<fxiny>but i think is out , yes
08:50<fxiny>lemme see
08:51<fxiny>ml: do you have some small changes ? i wannna buy sun , the whole company :P
08:52<fxiny>can't believe sun is in this trouble
08:52<fxiny>is no good
08:52<ml>yes, and go ahead
08:53<ml>look at the key bindings and line 162, 163
08:54<fxiny>ml: i'm on #xmonad
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09:00<djc>fxiny, I think eanda whated to find a way to have the screensaver running even when no one was logged in
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09:00<djc>not just autostart upon login
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09:01<fxiny>djc: i see , over gdm ?
09:02<djc>whats the impression I got from readong over the scrollback
09:02<djc>i dunno if there is any way to do that
09:02<djc>could be.. no idea
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09:06<djc>Here is one huge gripe I have about FF (applies equally to IW):
09:06<djc>At some point possibly back when it was called mozilla, I used to be able to hit control-t to open a tab, and start typing the url right away
09:07*abrotman still can
09:07<djc>Well, I suppose I can as well.. *but*
09:07<fxiny>Ctrl-l now
09:07<fxiny>much better
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09:07<djc>my gripe is, if I hit, in sequence ^T h t t p : / / w w w . (etc)
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09:07<djc>When I look up to see where Im at, the first 3 or 4 characters arent there
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09:08<djc>its not buffering what I type
09:08<abrotman>djc: so it's a bit slow .. jeez
09:08<djc>and/or its not accepting input quickly enough
09:08<djc>it didnt used to be slow
09:08<djc>even 'a bit slow'
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09:08<djc>it used to keep up with me. I think foreground responsiveness has slowly been traded for 'feature creep'
09:09<fxiny>dunno you but i use tabs open relative and i have some manual settings about tabs
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09:09<djc>my point is the slowness
09:09<djc>If I hit control T, and wait a couple seconds, it works
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09:10<fxiny>is damned slow , yes , grabbing mouse input when not used for awhile
09:10<djc>or if I hit ^t, start typing, realize it lost the first few chars, backspace, and retype, it works
09:10<djc>this is even if I am *in* FF, lookiing at one tab, and go to open another
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09:10<djc>im thinking something should be buffering the keystroke input
09:10<fxiny>sometimes it just hangs like a can full of bugs
09:11<djc>its not sometimes, its always
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09:11<djc>doesnt matter how much else is running either, FF could be the only process and it still happens
09:11<djc>well, only barring X and other system stuff..
09:11<fxiny>is like sleeping , frozen
09:11<GustavF>Hi! I have downloaded an iso-file with debian. When i´ve burned it, it stand that´s everything went fine. But when i tro to boot from it, it can´t find anything. someone that knows the problem?
09:12<djc>GustavF, 'burned it' how
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09:12<djc>if you stick the CD when you have windows running do you see lots of files? or do you see the .iso file?
09:12<abrotman>GustavF: which one did you burn? and what kind of machine do you have?
09:12<GustavF>With Roxio Creator Basic v9
09:12<GustavF>A lot of files
09:13<djc>if you see the .iso file, you did it wrong. you need to make sure to tell your burning software thatthe file *IS* an image, not to make an image with that file in it.
09:13<djc>if you stick the CD when you have windows running do you see lots of files? or do you see the .iso file?
09:13<GustavF>I saw a lot of files!
09:13<djc>oh, sorry, i missed your answer
09:14<GustavF>I have an Compaq presario SR5120
09:14<abrotman>which ISO did you burn?
09:15<abrotman>wrong one
09:15<abrotman>you want either i386 or amd64
09:15<djc>id suggest stcicking with i386 for install
09:16<abrotman>for install? once it's done, it's done
09:16<GustavF>Oh, i´m sorry. I wroted wrong
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09:16<GustavF>I choosed i386 when i downloaded
09:16<djc>are you in windows now?
09:17<djc>is the disc in the drive now?
09:17<djc>open it, and tell me one of the files on it
09:18<djc>theres the problem
09:18<djc>instead of writing the image to disc, it made a filesystem and put the file in it
09:18<GustavF>So how do i solve the problem?
09:18<djc>you need to look in your burning software for a way to tell it that the file *is* an image
09:18<abrotman>GustavF: tell your CD burning program to burn an image
09:19<GustavF>I have telled that
09:19<GustavF>(sorry for my bad english)
09:20<GustavF>But i can try another software..
09:20<djc>well apparenbtly it didnt understand, or you didnt tell it write
09:20<djc>becuase thats not what it did
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09:20<GustavF>I´m downloading active ISO burner now
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09:21<djc>um.. ok
09:21<GustavF>Shouldn´t I do that?
09:23<djc>thats fine
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09:23<djc>i dont really know what/which windows software might be capable of properly burning a disc image
09:23<djc>i dont use windows
09:24<djc>I had been googling for information on how to tell your roxio to do so
09:24<djc>but if you want to try something else, thats fine
09:24<djc>by the way, that file you have is a CD image.. are you using CD's or DVD's ?
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09:25<djc>if you use a CD image, you should burn it to a CD-R
09:25<djc>not a DVD-R
09:25<GustavF>That´s the problem!
09:25<djc>but thats separate from the other problem
09:25<djc>it still didnt burn it as an image
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09:25<abrotman>it should still work
09:26<djc>abrotman, cd image on dvd works?
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09:26<dutchy>interesting... works here no problem, ^
09:26<djc>dutchy, how quickly after you hit ^t do you start typing www?
09:26<djc>try it without even looking
09:26<djc>hit the w right after the ^
09:26<djc>er ^t
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09:27<dutchy>yes, instant, but I am using a strange kernel that is geared for performance, perhaps that is why
09:27<djc>mine stalls while it displays the new tab and theres a pause before it accepts input
09:27<djc>which wouldnt be such a big deal if something would buffer it
09:27<Gun_Smoke>what should I be searching for to configure what controls blanking/powering down a monitor?
09:28<djc>power management?
09:28<Gun_Smoke>no gui
09:28<gsimmons>!tell Gun_Smoke -about screen blanking
09:28<djc>apm ?
09:28<cahoot>probably depends on your DE
09:28<Gun_Smoke>but yes, power management
09:28<dpkg>hmm... dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section).
09:28<cahoot>no gui == no X?
09:29<Gun_Smoke>cahoot, yes
09:29<cahoot>if so the man setterm
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09:29<djc>i seem to remember setting that there
09:29<djc>dont remember how exactly
09:29<abrotman>oh ...
09:29<Gun_Smoke>thanks cahoot abrotman gsimmons
09:29<dpkg>a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/ Also see <dpms> for X blanking
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09:30<adb>djc: it works well in epiphany, with no delay on ^t
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09:31<djc>adb, you cant beat it no matter how fast you go?
09:31<djc>perhaps is an issue with my wm
09:32<adb>hm , no
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09:33<adb>djc: the same in iceape
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09:34<djc>same which? it accepts input right away?
09:34<djc>ok.. well,like I said, maybe its an issue with my window manager
09:36<abrotman>which is what?
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09:37<fxiny>djc: wm ? which one are using ?
09:38<djc>and gnome
09:38<djc>but without nautilus
09:39<abrotman>djc: i'm using sawfish+gnome .. i don't have your missing character issue
09:40<abrotman>djc: maybe your computer is slow?
09:40<abrotman>djc: OMG .. maybe the gov't is stealing your keystrokes!@
09:40<djc>Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU T2350 @ 1.86GHz
09:40<fxiny>high on xmonad here , no porbs , pretty fast
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09:41<fxiny>and sooooo relaxing
09:41<djc>lemme try something
09:41<ml>xmonad here as well on old latop :)
09:41<djc>for the record, I just hit: ^t 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 in quick succession.. when I looked up the location bar it had 456...
09:42<djc>lemme try something else
09:43<djc>ok.. its either related to plugins or the number of tabs open
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09:44<djc>I tried it as a completely different user with stock iw with just a couple tabs open, and it was far more responsive
09:44<djc>whatever you want to call them
09:45<djc>whatever you want to call them
09:45<abrotman>whatever you want to call them
09:45<djc>so I suppose when I feel like spending some time with it, i'll have to try with the other account adding my extensions one at a time and see if theres a specific one causing the problem
09:45<fxiny>can't find a word , gimme more whatever you want to call time :P
09:45<lordurza>those thingys! :o
09:46<chahibi>addons, widgets, extras, helpers, extensions, modules, gears, stuff, powertoys
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09:47<fxiny>there is a perfetct name for it : save-mozilla-org-from-bankrupt-addson
09:47<fxiny>the only reason firefox beats exploder
09:47<fxiny>and opera
09:47<lordurza>exploder 4tl
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09:48<fxiny>i read firefox beats exploder in europe
09:48<fxiny>and that's good :)
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09:48<lordurza>ill have to move back to lynx :o
09:49<fxiny>i have lynx here
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09:53<fxiny>djc: why adding ? just disable one at the time
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09:54<djc>could be just their installed presence slows down.. not to mention I'd rather expirement on a different account/profile
09:54<djc>rather than the one I regularly use
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10:00<jaycee>new to debian/linux. had lenny basic installed. problem to setup wifi. lenny has networkmanager 0.6.6. ans to install 0.7.0 which is in the unstable release. wud like to know how exactly I can replace existing version thru synaptic.....
10:01<djc>why do you need to?
10:01<gsimmons>jaycee: Why do you require network-manager 0.7.0?
10:01<djc>if you are having problem getting wifi to work, its probably becuase you need the non-free firmware for your wifi controller
10:01<djc>not becuase of a NM problem
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10:02<jaycee>ok. my wifi router requires wpa-personal...
10:02<djc>im pretty certain you dont need to update nm for that.. i seem to recall using that a year ago with whatever version of nm was current
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10:04<jaycee>ok. i have the same machine on another disk installed with knoppix 6.1 which has nm 0.7.0 as the client and it works perfect with the same wifi adapter and this is the reason to insatll the 0.70with lenny.....
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10:04<djc>is wpa_supplicant installed on the debian machine?
10:04<djc>what happens when you try to connect to your router?
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10:05<djc>does NM display it as an available network?
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10:05<djc>I would tend to doubt the cause is the differnet version of NM.. its probably something else
10:05<jaycee>orry sir, i have been an Widows guy for decades but only few weeks with debian/linux. knows very little abut linux nd debian. can't aswer your quetion....
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10:05<djc>what happens when you try to connect to your router?
10:06<djc>does NM display it as an available network?
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10:06<zsakr>I try to install package "php4-mysql", but I do it with "apt-get install php4-mysql", it says it will remove a lot of packages including "apache" or "subversion" (lol ?)
10:06<zsakr>I just need the lib for php4, and it wants to remove useful package =)
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10:06<zsakr>any ideas?
10:06<djc>zsakr, possibly the one you are installing is newer and needs a newer version of apache, et al.
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10:07<djc>what version of debian are you running?
10:07<zsakr>debian sarge
10:07<djc>1. do you have sarge repos in your apt.sources?
10:07<djc>er, etc/apt/sources.list
10:08<djc>and do you have the most up-to-date apache installed
10:08<djc>at least for sarge
10:08<djc>jaycee, what happens when you try to connect to your router? does NM display it as an available network?
10:08<jaycee>when i insert the adapter into usb port, the led blinks regularly. then i start nm and requst for wlan0. but no wat i can define the security handshake between adapter and router and i think this is the problem...
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10:09<zsakr>djc: yea did that
10:09<djc>jaycee, 1. boot up with the wireless adapter in, dont insert it after. 2. it would have been best if you had the wifi adpater inserted when you installed, so the installer could help you make sure you have the right driver for it
10:09<djc>and I dont understand what "and requst for wlan0. but no wat i can define the security handshake between"
10:10<djc>you want to go into wireless networks, and see if your SSID is displayed
10:10<djc>but thats assuming you have the drivers for the wifi adapater loaded
10:10<zsakr>yes, did apt-get upgrade & dist-upgrade before ... and it removed my when I do "php -v" I got: PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20050606+lfs/' - /usr/lib/php4/20050606+lfs/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
10:10<djc>and assuming its one which can be supported
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10:11<djc>jaycee, using the same wifi adapater on the other linux box?
10:11<zsakr>djc ?
10:11<djc>zsakr, check apache config? maybe its got the wrong path
10:11<zsakr>I just want to fix this missing right now :P
10:11<djc>or php config maybe
10:12<zsakr>any parameter to force install without removing any package ?
10:12<djc>zsakr, i wouldnt recommend that.. if it conflicts, it conflicts for a reason
10:12<djc>eg its not the right version
10:12<jaycee>if you don't mind, i would like to brief you my experience with knoppix which can bring up wifi with same adapter? It might help you to analyze the problem further. After this conversation I will perform what you had suggested earlir (Ithink I had did that befoe w/o success, no harm try once more more)...
10:13<zsakr>it want to remove those packages : apache apache-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common libapache-mod-php4 libapache2-mod-php4 libapache2-svn libaprutil1 libserf-0-0 libsvn1 php4
10:13<djc>jaycee, just answer what I asked
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10:13<djc>are you using the same wifi adapter on the other linux box and it works?
10:13<zsakr>python2.3-subversion subversion subversion-tools
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10:13<djc>or is it a different wifi adapter?
10:13<jaycee>No, i had only one linux box. but the same adapter has been working with other mchines....
10:13<djc>other linux machines?
10:14<djc>what kind of adapter is it
10:14<zsakr>I just did upgrade & dist-upgrade, nothing more
10:14<jaycee>it is a dlink DWL-G122 (802.11g)
10:14<djc>zsakr, ok, if it conflicts, theres a version problem. i wouldnt suggest trying to force it
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10:14<djc>and it works on other *linux* achines?
10:15<jaycee>no, it works on other windows machine. This adapter also orks on this ame machine with knoppix 6.1
10:15<djc>ok. so this adapter *had* worked on *some* machine running linux
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10:16<djc>I just want to verify that, becuase that suggests that it is one that can work under linux
10:16<djc>some cant, becuase the manufacturer doesnt release hardware specs
10:16<djc>ok. so this adapter *had* worked on *some* machine running linux?
10:16<jaycee>yes, on this machine with knoppix 6.1 (but not working under lenny)...
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10:17<zsakr>EOL distro...means they will not update packages anymore for security & ? It doesn't meant it will fuck your system if you do a upgrade...
10:17<djc>ok.. when you go into NM.. does it recognize that you have a wifi adapter?
10:18<djc>zsakr, I woud think you could upgrade, but I started wth Lenny so I've no expertise there
10:18<stew>zsakr: yes, support for sarge was discontinuted a few years ago, you should upgrade to etch and then upgrade to lenny, so someone else doens't come along and fuck up your system through one from the increasing list of known security holes
10:19<jaycee>before I insert the dapter into usb, nm only shows the wired eth0. When i plug the adapter in, it shows an additional enter of wired wlan0...
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10:19<zsakr>stew: what do you suggest i do?
10:19<zsakr>I try to install package "php4-mysql", but I do it with "apt-get install php4-mysql", it says it will remove a lot of packages including "apache" or "subversion" (lol ?)
10:19<djc>jaycee, ok, hang on. Im not using NM, let me load it so Ic an see what you are looking at
10:19<zsakr>I just need the lib for php4, and it wants to remove useful package =)
10:19<stew>zsakr: /msg dpkg sarge->etch ; then after you are running etch, /msg dpkg etch->lenny
10:19<zsakr>yes, did apt-get upgrade & dist-upgrade before ... and it removed my when I do "php -v" I got: PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20050606+lfs/' - /usr/lib/php4/20050606+lfs/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
10:20<stew>zsakr: i also suggest using aptitude not apt-get
10:20<djc>jaycee, ok, if you right click on the NetworkManager icon, what options does it show? do you get a menu?
10:20<zsakr>stew: how can i fix this?
10:20<zsakr>I want to fix this problem
10:20<djc>zsakr, he just told you
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10:20<stew>zsakr: show us the output of "apt-cache policy php4-mysql"
10:20<stew>zsakr: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
10:21<zsakr>let me paste it stew
10:21<djc>zsakr, stop
10:21<zsakr>thats the only useful information in it
10:21<djc>!tell zsakr about pastebin
10:22<zsakr>I know djc :)
10:22<djc>i think he wants to see the whole output of that. but dont paste it to the irc window
10:22<stevecotton>php4 is replaced by php5
10:22<stevecotton>(no idea if it's a drop-in replacement thoug)
10:22<zsakr>stew: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6
10:23<djc>jaycee, you still want help? if you do I need you to stick with me and follow along
10:23<stew>zsakr: what is that?
10:23<zsakr>the output
10:23<stew>zsakr: no it isn't
10:23<stew>zsakr: the output should be something like 10 lines long
10:23<djc>!tell joan about asking
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10:24<joan>can anybody see my messages
10:24<djc>yes joan we can see you
10:24<jaycee>a poup with the following: enable network; connection information; edit wireless network; about;
10:24<zsakr>stew: Sir, why need other informations ? that's just sentences, nothing useful for you
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10:25<djc>jaycee, is there 'enable wireless' as one of the options?
10:25<stew>zsakr: ok, good luck
10:25<zsakr>:( ok I will paste
10:25<zsakr>I just dont want to bother you with unuseful info
10:25<zsakr>hold on sir
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10:25<basilisk>türk arkadaş var mı aranızda
10:25<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
10:26<jaycee>the popup has on item "edit wireless network" as one of the option..
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10:26<djc>jaycee, not "edit", "enable"
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10:26<djc>jaycee, I take it that you do not have an 'enable wireless', then
10:26<jaycee>no, i did not see "enable".....
10:27<djc>jaycee, ok, open a terminal
10:27<stew>zsakr: the problem is that you are running sarge, but your sources.list doesn't have any sarge sources
10:27<bevan>I love debian........ just thought I'd put that out there
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10:27<Noble>Hi, I'm looking for a why to get all the computers home (7 or so) to log into a server and get their permissions and storage from there. Is this a samba domain thing? How should I go about it?
10:27<jaycee>yes, in the root...
10:28<zsakr>stew: what to do please?
10:28<djc>then type the following commands, and paste the output of *all* of them: 1. lsusb 2. lsmod 3. ifconfig 4. iwconfig
10:28<djc>use a pastebin
10:28<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:28<stew>zsakr: see chapter 4 of the etch release notes for the procedure to upgrade to etch
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10:28<ml>[ ((mod4Mask .|. shiftMask, xK_z), spawn "xscreensaver-command -lock")
10:28<ml> , ((controlMask, xK_Print), spawn "sleep 0.2; scrot -s")
10:28<ml> , ((0, xK_Print), spawn "scrot")
10:28<zsakr>stew: there's no way to fix that with sarge Sir?
10:28<djc><djc> what version of debian are you running?
10:28<djc><zsakr> sarge
10:28<djc><zsakr> debian sarge
10:28<djc><djc> 1. do you have sarge repos in your apt.sources?
10:28<djc><djc> er, etc/apt/sources.list
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10:29<stevecotton>!pal djc
10:29*dpkg points at djc and laughs
10:29<djc>zsakr, you'll recall I asked about that way back at the start
10:29<djc>wether you had sarge repos in your apt sources
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10:29<jaycee>I have just plug the adapter into USB and right click nm, I saw enable wireless.
10:29<djc>jaycee, ah.. ok.. was it checked?
10:30<stew>zsakr: yes, there is, you could add a sarge source to sources.list. the only one I know of is I do not recommend running sarge on a machine connected to the internet, especially not for things like a php webserver
10:30<zsakr>stew: how can I fix that problem with sarge sir?
10:30<bevan>any one know how to get a canon 670u working in lenny?
10:30<bevan>scanner that is
10:30<djc>if not: first, check it. then wait a bit
10:30<djc>then left-click on the icon, see if your routers SSID (network name) is listed
10:30<dpkg>sane is, like, Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or and #sane at
10:31<zsakr>stew: you strongly suggest I update to etch?
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10:31<jaycee>i just checked in and the opup just goes away, i right click again, the popup comes up and wireless enabled (with the wired also enabled)
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10:31<luis>hola aquien latino?
10:31<stew>zsakr: yes, and then upgrade to lenny
10:31<djc>jaycee, ok, if its enabled, then wait a few seconds, and *LEFT* click on the icon
10:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:31<djc>jaycee, and see if your networks SSID/name is listed
10:31<jaycee>I checked it and right click again,nm show tboth wired and wireless are enabld...
10:31<luis>ok gracias
10:32<djc>LEFT CLICK
10:32<djc>LEFT CLICK
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10:32<zsakr>stew: ok thx, gonna try upgrading :)
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10:32<stevecotton>zsakr: and at some point, you'll have to switch from php4 to php5
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10:33<djc>stevecotton, nah, php3 is the way to go
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10:33<jaycee>left click shows a popup with option to connect to 802.1x.......
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10:34<djc>jaycee, is that the name of your routers wifi network?
10:34<Noble>Hi, I'm looking for a why to get all the computers home (7 or so) to log into a server and get their permissions and storage from there. Is this a samba domain thing? How should I go about it?
10:34<djc>if these are all linux computers, then nfs might be what you want
10:34<djc>but its notoriously complex
10:34<junix>i seem to be having some issues getting sftp chrooted on debian lenny, i have added the necessary config to my /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but when I connect its not letting me in, its just dropping the connection
10:35<jaycee>wait a minute ls.....i cant follow that fast, the kb is too sticky....
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10:35<djc>you could also set them up a remote X-terminals, in which case everything would be running on the server, rather than just the storage
10:35<djc>jaycee, ok.. you can use short yes/no answers for questions that lend themselves to such
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10:36<djc>is "802.1x......" the name of your router/wifi network?
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10:36<zsakr>stew: how long have you been using linux?
10:36<zsakr>and debian in particular?
10:36<adb>heh zssak@ -oftc == ktebit@ - freenode
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10:36<jaycee>when i click the connect to 802....., it give another popup asking network id and alot of questions which are new to me..
10:37<stew>zsakr: 15 years in linux and 7 years on debian
10:37<djc>jaycee, is "802.1x......" the name of your router/wifi network?
10:37<jaycee>no, no,
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10:37<stew>10 years professionally
10:37<Noble>djc, there will be both windowze and linux computers, as my mom and dad refuses to use anything else even though I forced them to use ubuntu for 3 months. Thats 2 windows and probably 5 linux for the HTPC and my sisters and me
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10:37<zsakr>wow stew
10:37<djc>jaycee, what is your wifi router's SSID (aka 'network name/id')
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10:38<jaycee>ssid is JDNET
10:38<beer> <- so kde 4.2 will hit unstable by tomorrow?
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10:39<clodde>anyone knows if 2.6.28 kernel will be in lenny any time soon?
10:39<djc>jaycee, ok, does that appear at all on the left click popup?
10:39<djc>does it show "JDNET" anywhere?
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10:39<jaycee>no, it is not there..
10:39<zsakr>stew: may I ask about your first distro?
10:39<stew>zsakr: yggsdrasil
10:39<djc>then type the following commands, and paste the output of *all* of them: 1. lsusb 2. lsmod 3. ifconfig 4. iwconfig - use a pastebin
10:40<djc>jaycee, er type those in a terminal
10:40<Noble>Anyone? Please point me in the right direction so I can read up ^
10:40<dpkg>[samba] a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at , or, or read O'Reilly's book online (, or #samba on, or <samba etch5>
10:40<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable:, snapshot: 2.6.29-git12, 2.4: 2.4.37, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1
10:40<beer>clodde: I think Lenny will be stuck with 2.6.26
10:41<jaycee>the entry says "connect to 802.1x protected wired network"....and a new popup when click....
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10:41<beer>if you are lucky there will be a backport
10:41<abrotman>there are backports .. and potentially lenny+1/2
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10:41<djc>dpkg, Colonel is a military rank. also used to refer to KFC chicken
10:41<dpkg>djc: okay
10:41<Noble>djc, ty
10:41<djc>jaycee, ok, skip that.. that isnt what you want
10:41<djc>open a terminal
10:41<djc>then type the following commands, and paste the output of *all* of them: 1. lsusb 2. lsmod 3. ifconfig 4. iwconfig - use a pastebin
10:41<clodde>beer: thanks, there will be updates, tho i premume?
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10:42<clodde>beer: i mean for the current one
10:42<christoph>clodde, security fixes
10:42<zsakr>stew: I added only "deb etch main contrib" in "/etc/apt/sources.list"
10:42<zsakr>stew: and when I do "aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade", it upgrades nothing :P
10:42<djc>jaycee, you probably wont be able to connect to your network until you can get it to show up there.. unless its a hidden network, which if you can see it on a windows machine it isnt
10:43<beer>clodde: - you need to have the backport repos
10:43<zsakr>stew: everything seems OK for it
10:43<zsakr>stew: maybe I am already on etch... ?
10:43<djc>jaycee, that bit about a terminal and pasting commands was for you.. I will assume/hope you are working on that now
10:43<zsakr>cat /etc/debian_version
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10:44<clodde>beer: ok but for the current kernel there will be security fixes only or bug corrections also?
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10:44<djc>5.0 is lenny
10:44<zsakr>stew ?
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10:44<beer>clodde: I think there will be both but I am not sure about bug corrections
10:44<jaycee>yes, i am working on that. btw, the router can seen (wifi) by other machines nearby. It is not a hidden network...
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10:45<djc>jaycee, ok.. paste in the url to your pastebin once youve got all those
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10:45<zsakr>5.0 is lenny?
10:46<clodde>beer: thanks a lot. I was asking because 2.6.26 seems to lockup my pc randomly. I installed 2.6.18 from etch now and i'm testing it
10:46<djc>and your apt is wanting to install etch packages.
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10:46<ml>latest stable
10:46<djc>out of my leage there
10:46<zsakr>stew: how come apt is wanting to install etch packages???
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10:47<ingmar_>i made a bootable usb stick following the instructions here:, it boots well, but doesn't find the iso and tries instead to mount a cd. What might be the problem?
10:47<djc>bevan, looks like canon 670 is supported by sane-plustek
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10:47<jaycee>iwconfig command "not found" can I pass ou the output? do not know ow to use pastebin..sorry....
10:48<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:48<zsakr>stew: aptitude tells me what's wrong
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10:48<djc>jaycee, go to
10:48<ingmar_>ok, sorry
10:48<djc>it will give you a window to paste in, then submit, then it will give you a short url
10:48<djc>paste that short url here
10:48<zsakr>stew: it says I need to downgrade " libaprutil1" to install php4-mysql =)
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10:48<djc>and dont worry about the iwconfig for now
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10:49<djc>if you dont have it.
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10:49<zsakr>stew: isnt that strange?
10:49<djc>zsakr, sounds like your system is kinda halfway between sarge, etch,and lenny. you might want to give it a full-on proper upgrade to lenny..
10:50<djc>and then make sure your sources.list reflects lenny
10:50<jaycee>went to paste.debian.nt, name = jaycee, data snt...
10:50<djc>jaycee, ok, it should have shown you a short url
10:50<ingmar_>here you go :
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10:50<djc>ingmar_ = jaycee ?
10:51<gsimmons>jaycee: Firmware is required to be installed for your device prior to operation.
10:51<gsimmons>!tell jaycee -about rt73
10:51<djc>ingmar_, why did you pastebin that?
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10:52<ingmar_>dpkg sad i shoudnt write more then 2 lines here
10:52<dpkg>i don't know, ingmar_
10:52<djc>gsimmons, hey where did you find that
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10:52<djc>ingmar_, no, it said not to *paste* more than two lines
10:52<ingmar_>well, maybe i wasnt adressed by that...
10:53<djc>and it wasnt directed at you, no ;)
10:53<ingmar_>alrigth, sorry :)
10:53<djc>but still dont paste more than two lines
10:53<jaycee>ok. i am just at now.....and asked a name - should i put jaycee???
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10:53<djc>if you are typing it by hand, it isnt pasting
10:53<djc>jaycee, doesnt matter
10:54<djc>jaycee, however, what gsimmons said
10:54<djc>he apparently found info on your card
10:54<gsimmons>djc: "rt73" is listed in the lsusb output. It's also a vendor/device ID pair supported by the rt73usb driver.
10:54<stew>zsakr: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libaprutil1 php4-mysql" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
10:54<djc>gsimmons, where did you get his lsusb output?
10:54<djc>gsimmons, I was still waiting to see it
10:55<ingmar_>Anyway, anybody have an idea, why the usb image doesnt work properly?
10:55<jaycee>sorry sir, what is gsimmons (is this for me???)
10:55<djc>gsimmons, did he give that url when I wasnt looking?
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10:56<gsimmons>djc: No, but you have it now.
10:56<djc>gsimmons, you have admin access to ? :P
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10:56<gsimmons>djc: No. There's sidebar with recent pastes listed.
10:56<stew>judd: versions libaprutil1
10:56<djc>jaycee, yes, you need to install the firmware for your dlink adapter
10:57<zsakr>stew: was that for me?
10:57<stew>no judd?
10:57<djc>jaycee, go here:
10:57<stew>zsakr: so you are running a mix of packages from 3 different releases, i guess
10:57<djc>jaycee, read that, find the Lenny section (first one) and do what it says
10:57<stew>zsakr: you should finish upgrading to etch, then upgrade to lenny
10:58<jaycee>yes, iw will
10:58<zsakr>stew: <== see this one, other was with etch
10:58<zsakr>I am on lenny
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10:58<zsakr>cat /etc/debian_version
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10:58<djc>zsakr, but apparently not cleanly
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10:59<djc>youve got some non-lenny stuff
10:59<stew>zsakr: yes, that is more evidence that you are mixing packages from multiple releases, which isn't recommended
10:59<zsakr>stew: I'm just trying to modify sources.list to make it works
10:59<zsakr>stew: with only 1 source (last link from pastebin), it can't even find the package php4-mysql :/
10:59<djc>if you are on one release, dont add the sources for a newer one unless you do a full upgrade of everything to the newer release
11:00<stew>zsakr: yes, becuase there is no php4 in lenny
11:00<zsakr>my previous sources.list was only with "stable" source
11:00<djc>you probably arent going to be able to "just fix mysql". It seems like your system is a mess, you need to cleanly upgrade all packages to the lenny version
11:00<zsakr>stew: what should I do now?
11:00<stew>zsakr: and note that you should not use "stable" in sources.list, doing so causes the problems that you are having now
11:00<djc>then install php(5)
11:00<stew>zsakr: you should finish upgrading to etch, and then upgrade to lenny
11:00<zsakr>so I am on stable release, lenny
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11:01<zsakr>not mix of packages :)
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11:01<djc>zsakr,if you have 'stable' in your sources.list, then you almost certainly do have a mix of packages from different versions
11:01<zsakr>how come you say im in a mix of packages?
11:02<djc>becuase 'stable' is a moving target over time
11:02<zsakr>stew: I am on lenny since the beginning... I though I was on sarge, that's all, forget that now :P
11:02<djc>if you had all lenny packages nothing would be looking for php4
11:02<stew>zsakr: what does "uname -r" say?
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11:03<djc>zsakr, nd how long ago did you first install this machine with debian?
11:03<jaycee>I will look into the page, try to implement. Will come back later...
11:03<zsakr>few years ago I was on sarge :P but I was upgrade & dist-upgrade often, it probably have upgraded to lenny...and I didn't know ;)
11:04<zsakr>Stew: it says "" (I know anyone can root me with this kernel, the new kernel is already compiled, just have to reboot)
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11:04<djc>stew, I blame Microsoft..
11:04<zsakr>stew: thats what it says.
11:04<stew>zsakr: you came here asking about etch packages you were removing, so you clearly never fully upgraded to lenny
11:05<djc>zsakr, how long ago did you first install this machine with debian?
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11:06<zsakr>stew: no, I just added a etch source, because you tell me to upgrade to etch, nothing more
11:06<zsakr>stew: upgrade & dist-upgrade doesn't do anything, I am full upgraded on "stable"
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11:06<djc>"stable" is a moving target over time
11:07<djc>zsakr, how long ago did you first install this machine with debian?
11:07<adb>tell djc about multi-asking ;)
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11:08<djc>adb, thpthpthpthp
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11:08<djc>I just love it when someone is trying to get help, and you ask them a question, and they keep on about other things and wont answer what you asked
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11:09<djc>zsakr, you probably want to remove any mention of 'stable' from your sources.list, and replace it with 'lenny' once you've fixed your machine
11:09<djc>and fully upgraded to lenny
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11:10<djc>and when a new release supercedes lenny in the future, decice when (and if) to upgrade, and follow the procedure to do so and then replace lenny in your sources.list with the new name
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11:15<stew>zsakr: you should add a source, and specify "lenny" instead of "stable": /msg dpkg sources.list
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11:15<jaycee>First command line "deb lenny main contrib non-free" returns: "bash: deb: command not found"....
11:15<djc>jaycee, thats not a command
11:15<djc>you need to add that to your sources.list
11:16<djc>jaycee, if you arent sure how to edit a test file
11:16<djc>you can go into synaptic, and add it within its UI
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11:16<djc>in fact..
11:16<zsakr>stew: why specificy lenny? stable = lenny
11:17<djc>zsakr, it does *now*
11:17<djc>in the future it will be something else
11:17<djc>you dont want a moving target
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11:17<stew>zsakr: becuase when stable becomes squeeze, you'll run into the types of troupbles you are having today
11:17<djc>jaycee, go under 'system', 'administration'
11:17<djc>jaycee, 'synaptic package manager'
11:17<djc>wait for it to load
11:17<zsakr>if one is specifying stable throughout the sources.list he should be using stable in the sec portion too.
11:17<zsakr>only specify a 'name' in the sources.list if you want to be pinned TO that release
11:18<djc>then click settings, repositories
11:18<jaycee>am there already
11:18<zsakr>stew ?
11:18<djc>jaycee, click on the 'non-free' option
11:18<stew>zsakr: its recommended to never use "stable" in sources.list
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11:19<djc>zsakr, you *dO8 want to be pinned to a release, until you decide to upgrade the whole system
11:19<djc>if you leave it at 'stable' it slowly upgrades bits as you add packages
11:19<djc>so you have some older packages and some new
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11:19<hollywoodb>is there a way to version bump a package? Geany has been stagnating at 0.14 for nearly a year, 0.15 has been sitting in experimental for nearly 6 months, and 0.16 is out. I'd like to run 0.16 as it has a couple fixes I'd like to have
11:19<zsakr>stew: but can you tell me why?
11:19<stew>11:17 < stew> zsakr: becuase when stable becomes squeeze, you'll run into the types of
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11:19<stew>11:17 < stew> zsakr: becuase when stable becomes squeeze, you'll run into the types of troupbles you are having today
11:19<djc>whatever is the current 'stable' when you add software is what versions of software you get
11:20<djc>s if you installed from sarge you start out with all sarge
11:20<djc>then if you install apache after stable besomces etch, you get etch apache
11:20<djc>then if you try to install php after sable becomes lenny it tries to install lennys php
11:20<djc>and you have incomptaible bits
11:20<stew>zsakr: the recommended upgrade procedure to move from one release to another is not as simple as running 'aptitude dist-upgrade', so you should switch from one releease to another deliberately
11:21<djc>jaycee, anyway, select that option, then close
11:21<djc>then click 'apply'
11:21<djc>then 'reload'
11:21<djc>jaycee, ok, then go back to terminal
11:21<djc>and go to step 2
11:21<djc>from that web page
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11:21<djc>in fact just do step 2.. then reboot
11:22<djc>you can use NM to do the rest
11:22<zsakr>stew: "if one is specifying stable throughout the sources.list he should be using stable in the sec portion too."
11:22<zsakr>stew: "only specify a 'name' in the sources.list if you want to be pinned TO that release"
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11:22<zsakr>could you tell me what would be wrong to do that?
11:22<zsakr>like technically
11:22<djc>zsakr, one should *NOT* be specifying stable in sources.list. one *does* want to be pinned to a specific version, until you decide to upgrade your entire system
11:23<djc>otherwise, as you install software at different times, you get bits from different stable releases
11:23<djc>that is what is wrong with that
11:23<jaycee>in fact i have used the search function of synaptic and found ralink and wireless-tools already....
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11:23<djc>jaycee, ok, you can do that too
11:23<zsakr>stew: why will one run into problems if you use the apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze with 'stable' in the sources.list?
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11:24<zsakr>stew: only if you are trying to jump major release #s with >=1 in the middle
11:24<djc>either way, once they are installed, i would just reboot
11:24<djc>sarge -> etch -> lenny *are* major releases
11:24<djc>with >=1 at the beginning
11:25<stew>zsakr: i've answered this a couple times already
11:25<jaycee>so should i continue to install these 2 s/w to system thru synaptic?
11:25<djc>jaycee, thats fine
11:25<zsakr>stew: trying to go from 'etch' to 'stable when stable = squeeze then yes, expect there to be issues
11:25<stew>zsakr: becuase apt-get is too dumb. becuase the recomended procedure is much more complicated than that, you'll find that apt-get dist-upgrade from release X to release X+1 will not come up with an optimal solution to upgrade
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11:25<zsakr>since lenny is in th middle
11:25<jaycee>ok i will do it now....
11:25<stew>zsakr: read chapter 4 of the release notes
11:26<zsakr>where can I get php4-mysql source to compile it manually please ?
11:26<djc>jaycee, then just reboot, and after its back up left-click the networkmanager icon and see if your JD.. uhm.. whaever it was, is there
11:26<stew>zsakr: why do you want it? its no longer supported by anyone, including the php developers
11:26<stew>zsakr: you should be switching to php5
11:27<zsakr>ok sir
11:27<zsakr>I fully understand
11:27<zsakr>but can you tell me just ONE thing
11:27<djc>zsakr, your system is currently an abortion of mixed versions of packages.. you really want to fix that first.. and I doubt anyone here is going to be able to offer you help doing anything with it
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11:27<zsakr>I'm talking in GENERAL here
11:27<zsakr>suppose we talk in GENERAL
11:27<djc>other than fully upgrading your whole system to a specific release
11:27<djc>in general, you can google for any information you need
11:28<zsakr>"why will one run into problems if you use the apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze with 'stable' in the sources.list?"
11:28<Silicium01>I'm tempted to buy a laptop that does not go to POST screen, whhich hardware component could be causing this?
11:28<djc>especially if you a dead set on ignoring advice from people who know what they are talking about
11:28<zsakr>stew: only if you are trying to jump major release #s with >=1 in the middle
11:28<zsakr>stew: trying to go from 'etch' to 'stable when stable = squeeze then yes, expect there to be issues
11:28<djc>Silicium01, there arent too many removable/replaceable components in a laptop that could be causing that
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11:29<zsakr>stew: not in my case, in general, are my 3 comments above wrong?
11:29<Silicium01>djc, so I probably should not buy it then ha?
11:29<zsakr>stew: I know that debian: the entire system is dsigned to go from release to release, but with no interum releases in between. has been for years though they didn't really get it right until etch
11:29<djc>Silicium01, well, if you are willing to lost whatever about of money they want for it.. eg, it might be worth buying for five bucks
11:30<jaycee>he installation of ralink and wireless-tools has been completed. need reboot?
11:30<zsakr>my professor actually asked me this:
11:30<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
11:30<zsakr><zsakr> "why will one run into problems if you use the apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze with 'stable' in the sources.list?"
11:30<zsakr>"only if you are trying to jump major release #s with >=1 in the middle"
11:30<djc>jaycee, you might or might not, but it is probably the simplest way to make sure the firmware and kernel mod get loaded right
11:30<zsakr>"trying to go from 'etch' to 'stable when stable = squeeze then yes, expect there to be issues"
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11:31<djc>gsimmons, if the mod is already loaded will it still load the firmware?
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11:31<jaycee>ok I missed your last msg. cross my fingers and will reboot.....see you....
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11:31<gsimmons>djc: The firmware will (attempted to be) loaded when the interface is raised.
11:31<djc>jaycee, you might not need to
11:31<djc>gsimmons seems to be a bit more of a debian expert than I ;)
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11:32<djc>jayce not that rebooting would *hurt* anything
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11:33<djc>gsimmons, qotd2 is funny
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11:37<n3ph1l1m>im from the philippines, i am new with this kind of os... how can i connect using a usb 3g modem?
11:38<djc>if the modem is supported, you'd use it like a phone modem
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11:39<djc>you are running debian lenny (5.0) ?
11:39<gsimmons>n3ph1l1m: There is some documentation available at
11:39<n3ph1l1m>thanks guys but im using antix
11:39<djc>gsimmons, how would a stock debian do regular dialup networking anyway?
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11:39<djc>n3ph1l1m, Ah.. this is a debian support channel
11:39<djc>you'll probably want to find one for "antix"
11:40<dpkg>antiX MEPIS is a MEPIS-based live CD distribution. User forums: See also <MEPIS> and <based on Debian>. #mepis on
11:41<djc>gsimmons, and by that I mean 'via GUI tools included with debian, from the perspective of a newb unix user, used to windows dialup'
11:41<n3ph1l1m>sorry guys... as i said im new to this... i was an ms user then fascinated with this system
11:41<djc>Im sure I could hack it with pppd and/or diald 'the old way'
11:41<debacle>hi all, i have a conf file under /etc/apache2/conf.d i'm trying to move it under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled. Editing it i'd like to make a virtualhost ... can anyone help ?
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11:42<debacle>can any one explain deff between conf.d and sites.enabled dir ?
11:42<djc>not me.. my apache runs on a freebsd box
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11:42<djc>my debian box is a workstation, no apache
11:42<zsakr>I can't install libapache-mod-php5 and php5-mysql
11:43<zsakr>I need apache, mysql, php5, php5-cli with mysql....
11:43<debacle>djc: ok ... i hope others can help me
11:43<djc>zsakr, One more time, since you seem to be sitting in the really high seats of the stadium:
11:43<djc>your system is a mixed-up mess of different versions of packages. you probably arent going to be able to cleanly install much until and unless you fully and properly upgrade your system to lenny
11:44<djc>I beleive stew has pointed you at some resources
11:44<gsimmons>djc: Probably using either gnome-ppp or kppp.
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11:44<djc>gsimmons, Ah I was looking in admin/networking.. if I had a modem installed, I wonder if it would show up there
11:45<djc>id plug something in just to see, but ive no rs232 ports ;)
11:45<djc>only usb
11:45<djc>and no usb modems
11:45<gsimmons>!tell debacle -about apache2
11:46<gsimmons>debacle: The referenced README.Debian file provides an overview of the configuration file/directory layout.
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11:47<zsakr>I can't install libapache-mod-php5 and php5-mysql
11:47<abrotman>we can't help you without actual errors
11:47<debacle>gsimmons: i've already looked at readme ... but there is something borken here (and very probably it's me! )
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11:48<zsakr>abrotman: what should I show you?
11:48<abrotman>the error would be helpful
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11:48<gsimmons>debacle: Well, it tells you the difference between conf.d and sites-enabled. You might want to describe your problem in greater detail.
11:49<djc>abrotman, refer to previous.. his system is a mix of lenny, etch (and maybe sarge) packages, because he's been using 'stable' in sources.list
11:49<abrotman>then he should finish his dist-upgrade
11:49<zsakr>abrotman: I installed libapache-mod-php5, now php is enable in apache
11:49<zsakr>but no more mysql support
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11:50<djc>abrotman, im no expert, i started right with lenny.. but he and stew have been going round and round
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11:51<december>Hello all. Anybody running ext4? Is there a (semi-official) updated cd image with a more recent kernel?
11:51<debacle>gsimmons: thank you at first ! OK her ( is the conf.d/squirrelmail.con file
11:51<djc>december, why do you want ext4?
11:52<abrotman>!tell december about kmuto
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11:52<abrotman>december: use at your own risk
11:52<djc>looks very bleeding edge. stuff to stay away from.. except maybe on testing machines with no important data
11:53<zsakr>abrotman: no error, just that it cannot find mysql_connect() on a php script executed on apache
11:53<zsakr>abrotman: coz of mysql missing somewhere in conf or packages
11:53<abrotman>zsakr: wasn't i trying to help you yesterday?
11:53<debacle>gsimmons: by default it's configured to run from http://webserverip/squirrelmail but i'd like to run only from
11:53<abrotman>zsakr: is php5-mysql installed ?
11:53<jackanory>stable <- testing <- unstable <- experimental <- pipe dream <- ext4
11:53<abrotman>zsakr: did you check /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini to see if the was enabled ?
11:54<djc>jackanory, heh..
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11:54<debacle>gsimmons: if i make a new virtualhost and set as documentroot /usr/share/squirrelmail it should work ... i think but it do not !
11:55<zsakr>abrotman: no
11:55<abrotman>are you going to now?
11:55<december>I'm not installing it on any servers yet, I have to reinstall my workstation and I've been thinking to try and evaluate ext4. I could partition it with PartedMagic or perhaps the Ubuntu beta, but I'm not sure what will happen with a default Stable install when it sees the ext4 partitions
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11:55<djc>debacle, perhaps the squirrelmail scripts assuming "/squirrelmail/ as part of its path
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11:55<zsakr>I use apache 1
11:55<djc>debacle, here is an option, leave the existing setup
11:55<december>djc, just out of curiosity really
11:55<djc>then add a virtualhost that just does a redirect to that
11:56<zsakr>abrotman: and if I install php5-mysql, it removes libapache-mod-php5, coz of dependency or whatever
11:56<djc>users will be able to type '' and it will get them there
11:56<december>abrotman, how well tested is that?
11:56<abrotman>zsakr: okay .. fine .. check /etc/php5/apache/php.ini
11:56<abrotman>december: i'm sure the guy that made it tested it
11:56<jackanory>december: the fedora 11 beta has ext4, according to slashdot. might be worth a spin
11:56<djc>alernatively, you could frame it
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11:56<djc>if for some reason you dont want users to see that address
11:56<abrotman>december: lenny's .26 has ext4_dev
11:57<djc>not on anything you store anything remotely important on
11:57<debacle>djc: mmm ... ok ... probably the trame is the best solution !
11:57<djc>nothing against ext4, that applies with pretty much any major filesystem upheavage
11:57<december>abrotman, I'm just not sure about installing random images in secure networks. ;)
11:57<debacle>djc: thanks
11:57<jackanory>djc: i feel the same way about ext3 ... :)
11:57<abrotman>december: as opposed to using a new filesystem ?
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11:58<djc>if its on a debian server how is it random
11:58<abrotman>djc: /msg dpkg kmuto
11:58<djc>abrotman, ?
11:58<abrotman>december: AIUI, kenshi just replaces the kernel
11:59<december>abrotman, my desktop doesn't hold any important data really so I can test a new file system, but installing some malware is a whole other can of worms
11:59<december>jackanory, interesting, but then I'd be stuck with Fedora... :)
11:59<djc>again, how is a kernel image 'random' if its hosted on a debian server?
11:59<abrotman>december: kmuto is a DD .. i don't think he's putting "malware" on a debian installer that he hosts on a machine
11:59<abrotman>djc: it's an unofficial installer
11:59<djc>or at least, anymore random than any other debian kernel there
12:00<djc>abrotman, for.. what?
12:00<zsakr>abrotman: what should I check in this file ?
12:00<december>abrotman, if he's a DD, that's all I needed to know, thanks
12:00<zsakr><abrotman> zsakr: okay .. fine .. check /etc/php5/apache/php.ini
12:00<abrotman>zsakr: look for .. is there a ; at the beginning of the line
12:00<abrotman>djc: for an installer ?
12:00*abrotman thinks djc is about 10 minutes behind
12:00<djc>abrotman, uhm. ok.. just wondering why you were telling me about it
12:00<abrotman>djc: because you're arguing with him
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12:01*abrotman gives up
12:01*djc too
12:01<abrotman>december: glad to help :)
12:01<djc>abrotman, weren't we saying basically the same thing, anway?
12:02<december>abrotman, do you know if the next point release have a kernel upgrade?
12:03<abrotman>december: keep an eye on debian news bits for "lennynhalf"
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12:03<abrotman>december: the next point release likely won't have it .. but i believe it is planned (like etch had etchnhalf)
12:03<abrotman>djc: no .. you were being confusing :)
12:03<zsakr>abrotman: PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
12:03<zsakr>I have that when I restart apache =(
12:03<abrotman>zsakr: did you finish upgrading your system to lenny yet?
12:04<december>djc, people can put online lots of things that isn't necessary backed or approved by Debian
12:04<zsakr>I uncommented line
12:04<zsakr>abrotman: it is lenny
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12:04<djc>abrotman, he's all yours
12:04<abrotman>i already helped him!
12:05<abrotman>zsakr: it looks like php5-mysql isn't installed
12:05<djc>i think he's beyond help
12:05<zsakr>how would I install it?
12:05<abrotman>like you installed everything else one would think
12:06<jackanory>er apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, adept ?
12:06<djc>"<zsakr> I use apache 1"
12:06<zsakr>I told you I can't install it or it removes the module for apache :/
12:06<djc>is there even an apache 1 in lenny?
12:06<abrotman>i don't think so .. i'm double checking
12:06<djc>which release was apache 1 last in
12:06<abrotman>zsakr: there is no apache1 in lenny .. you'll have to go to apache2
12:06<abrotman>djc: etch
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12:07<djc>zsakr, yet more evidence that your system is NOT fully upgraded to lenny
12:07<jackanory>great tune, apache. that hank marvin is a guitar god. i didn't know they released another version
12:07<djc>the fact that /etc/debian_version says 5.0 doesnt mean every package is lenny
12:07<simonrvn>zsakr: stop using the apache1 module...
12:07<simonrvn>*cough* apache2: libapache2-mod-php
12:08<simonrvn>*cough* apache2: libapache2-mod-php5
12:08<djc>apache 2 module isnt gonna do any good if apache is v1
12:08<december>djc, I just wanted to have some context where the install image came from... ;)
12:09<december>abrotman, I guess ext4 is still a long way off then... I thought the inclusion in some distros would mean it was stable enough for some workstation installations, but guess not...
12:10<djc>suitability for 'some' is a sliding scale
12:10<djc>some people run bleeding edge
12:10<djc>some people run what was stable 3 versions ago
12:10<djc>and everything in between
12:10<abrotman>december: that's subjective i suppose
12:11<djc>Im sure *somewhere* some machine is still running Slackware from 1998
12:11<djc>Or Redhat 4.0
12:11<djc>Or (shudder) Windows 3.1
12:11<abrotman>yeah . or something old like unix .. jeez
12:12<djc>I remember having to do ISP support for some CAD shop that was running some old HP-UX.. it wasnt fun
12:12<jackanory>my first distro was abacus 0.1
12:13<djc>zsakr, assuming this machine is supporting 'customers' - here is my advice.. on a new machine, install a fresh lenny. set it up right, using current versions of stuff. make sure sources.list is "lenny" not stable to avoid this problem in the future.. then slowly migrate your customers over
12:13<djc>heck even if its not supporting customers Id do that
12:13<abrotman>it's kind of late .. the machien is halfway to lenny anyways
12:13<december>djc, I was recently in a job interview where they stressed the importance of HPUX... I have a lot of Unix experience, but I never figured HPUX still had much importance...
12:14<djc>yeah well that way whatever he has thats at least halfway working stays that way in the meantime, and he ends up with a new clean install
12:14<djc>and can migrate things incrementally
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12:15<abrotman>december: pharmaceutical ?
12:15<djc>december, people hang on to old shit, let me tell ya
12:15<december>abrotman: yeah... For my desktop at work it's not all that important... I wouldn't put it on servers though.
12:16<december>abrotman, no... HP, hahaha... I guess explains the HPUX... :)
12:16<abrotman>hpux is still being developed
12:16<december>abrotman, HP for Nokia I believe
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12:17<december>abrotman: It's just shit out of luck to try and learn HPUX BEFORE you get a job working with it...
12:18<december>abrotman, all that certification stuff is so damn expensive
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12:18<december>abrotman: have you been using HPUX?
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12:19<abrotman>not in a long time
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12:23<december>djc, funny you should mention... I've got a machine here with slackware 4.0, which must be from about 1998-1999...
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12:24<djc>what kernel is it running
12:24<djc>im thinking 1.3something
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12:25<december>no, must be 2.2... perhaps early 2.4? Not sure.
12:25<djc>or wait.. was that 2.0
12:25<djc>uname -a ?
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12:26<december>it's not online
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12:28<december>djc, hasn't been used in many years TBH... but it's still around until someone decides to throw it out
12:28<december>got to go, wife's hungry... and things go south pretty quickly then... ;)
12:28<december>djc, abrotman, thanks for the help
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12:32<mcluvin>having issue with rt2x00usb connecting Linksys wusb54g
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12:34<witte>mcluvin: what issue? which kernel do you use?
12:36<mcluvin>cannot connect to network. rt2500usb driver is loaded
12:36<mcluvin>iwconfig shows device
12:36<witte>mcluvin: do you have the firmware?
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12:37<gsimmons>witte: rt2500usb doesn't require firmware.
12:37<witte>!ralink firmware
12:37<dpkg>Firmware is required for the <rt61pci> and <rt73usb> drivers from the <rt2x00> project. Install the <non-free> 'firmware-ralink' package (etch-backports, lenny) to provide. Alternatively, manually acquire from, extract and transfer the *.bin file(s) to /lib/firmware.
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12:38<witte>gsimmons: oh, i have a ralink chip, but not that one, that's why I said firmware
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12:39<witte>mcluvin: what kind of wireless network are you setting up? with or without encryption? and did you set your essid?
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12:41<mcluvin>wpa personal
12:41<mcluvin>set essid using wicd
12:41<mcluvin>tried to connect to neighbor without encryption and no dice either
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12:44<mcluvin>installed firmware, lost connection while I tried to reload wifi through wicd
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12:44<mcluvin>still nothing
12:44<gsimmons>mcluvin: Just to confirm you have a WUSB54G with a Ralink chipset, please provide the output of "lsusb | grep WUSB54G".
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12:45<mcluvin>Bus 005 Device 002: ID 13b1:000d Linksys WUSB54G Wireless Adapter
12:45<witte>mcluvin: ok, can you give the output of your /sbin/ifconfig <dev> and /sbin/iwconfig <dev> and /sbin/iwlist <dev> scan to a pastebin (with <dev> your wireless device, such as wlan0)
12:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:51<witte>mcluvin: ok, now try to get an ip: dhclient wlan0 (need to be root for that)
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12:52<mcluvin>witte: it is timing out, want the output in pastebin?
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12:53<witte>mcluvin: no, probably the wpa settings are not correct
12:53<witte>mcluvin: how did you configure the wpa personal?
12:54<mcluvin>through wicd and wic-client
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13:00<mcluvin>witte: also tried manually in /etc/network/interfaces
13:00<witte>don't know it, probably this is similar to any other wireless configuration tool...
13:00<witte>ok, I might have been away a few moments
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13:01<cahoot>mcluvin: may I suggest running wpa_supplicant from cli?
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13:01<witte>mcluvin: sorry, i was toying with my wireless connection and it vanished :)
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13:05<mcluvin>cahoot: getting a timeout
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13:05<cahoot>no error?
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13:06<mcluvin>ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such file or directory
13:06<witte>mcluvin: did you try rutilt for your configuration (it is specific for rt2x00 cards), and it's a debian package
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13:08<mcluvin>cahoot: updated with full error output
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13:09<mcluvin>witte: looking into rutilt now
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13:11<mcluvin>witte: rutilt doesnt appear to support wpa, only wep
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13:23<mcluvin>tried to reboot see if firmware did anything but no dice
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13:27<witte>mcluvin: some ideas: do you have any messages on your wireless in your dmesg output?
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13:28<witte>mcluvin: can't you turn of security for a while and confirm that the card is working, and it's the encryption which is the problem
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13:32<mcluvin>witte: will test without encryption now. But it does seem that it gets past the encryption part and errors out at getting an IP
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13:35<witte>mcluvin: your router is delivering ip's to your machine ?
13:35<witte>mcluvin: other devices work fine with the same router?
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13:49<mcluvin>witte: does not work with encryption disabled
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13:50<kristianpaul>some guy that use gnupic here?
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13:52<witte>mcluvin: strange, that usually should work
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14:00<i10neorg>Can't ssh on local network using debian clients when using Linksys firmware (WRT54G) on local router.
14:00<i10neorg>Ubuntu and Windows ssh clients, fine.
14:01<i10neorg>Different firmware (like openwrt) on local router, debian local ssh is fine.
14:01<dutchy>all in same subdomain?
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14:01<i10neorg>Login seems fine, then just pauses indefinitely before login prompt.
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14:02<i10neorg>Yes, all on same subdomain.
14:02<i10neorg>I'm guessing it's a change in the last few years. I don't remember an issue back then.
14:02<dutchy>very strange indeed, perhaps a key problem somewhere
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14:02<i10neorg>I can ssh -vvv, but nothing pops out at me.
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14:03<dutchy>I'd help if I could possibly recreate the problem, but ssh local and remote work fine here
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14:03<i10neorg>dutchy: Could we confirm if it's a key problem with verbose ssh output?
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14:04<i10neorg>I know, it's so weird.
14:04<dutchy>a lot of it is dependant on how the sshd is setup
14:04<dutchy>but if it works with ubuntu it should work with debian
14:04<i10neorg>Even stranger I ran into the problem on someone else's Linksys network a quarter ago. Same systems, Debian ssh only.
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14:05<i10neorg>Now you have me thinking though.
14:05<dutchy>quite strange, I have same router on this setup
14:05<i10neorg>I'm going to confirm it's not just /my/ Debian installation.
14:05<i10neorg>Yeah, if it were a real problem, I'm sure I'd have heard other people talk about it.
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14:11<chomwitt>why glibc-doc-reference pkg is in non-free section? The pdf it has has the gpl license!
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14:21<dondelelcaro>chomwitt: uh... no, it's under the GFDL
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14:22<chaoticmass>Is there a way to change the default file open dialog used by applications (such as iceweasel) in Debian Etch? I think my system is using the Gnome file dialogs (even though KDE is my desktop) and they're not working well for me.
14:23<gravity>chaoticmass: That's entirely up to the application itself.
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14:23<gravity>chaoticmass: So you can't change it without changing the code.
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14:25<chomwitt>dondelelcaro: Strange. i'm reading . its strange that a gnu doc is non-free. conceptually speaking.
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14:25<chaoticmass>gravity: there must be a way for some apps though because even some of my KDE applications (such as ksnapshot) will use the gnome dialog instead of the KDE one. The gnome dialog chokes when you navigate into a samba shared folder with 1000+ folders. I'm coming here as my iceweasel instance is still hung for a few minutes now while the file dialog works.
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14:26<gravity>chaoticmass: Well, iceweasel uses the gtk, so it won't use your KDE dialog box. I have no idea why something like ksnapshot would be though.
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14:27<chaoticmass>gravity: well, thats too bad. ugh this sucks. I really hope this is something that gets fixed some day. Been using Debian for a few years now and it continually annoys me. Guess I'm just blowing off some steam :\
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14:28<deniz>is there a "ruler" feature in gimp so that I can draw a perfectly straight line?
14:28<chaoticmass>So I guess its the gtk dialogs (not gnome) that I think suck.
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14:30<gravity>deniz: google is your friend:
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14:33<gravity>Sorry, EWIN
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14:33*abrotman steals gravity's ATM PIN
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14:34<deniz>gravity, thx
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14:34<gravity>abrotman: That's actuall s00p3r s3kr1t unpublished data from work
14:34<abrotman>gravity: now i just have to figure out how to apply it :)
14:35<gravity>abrotman: Good luck!
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14:35<kdemar>hala amigos
14:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:36*abrotman adds 10 to the secret number to get a numeric palindrome!
14:36<kdemar>ahy alguien que hable español
14:36<gravity>heh, nice
14:36<kdemar>quien eres
14:37<abrotman>kdemar: #debian-es
14:37*jlouis factors the number into 7 71 151
14:37<kdemar>yo soy de arica chile
14:37<dnog>pues mete en #debian-es
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14:38<kdemar>soy nuevo en esto
14:38<abrotman>english here
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14:38*fxiny trades the new number for a jar , with vodka ...
14:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 425] by debhelper
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14:39<dnog>kdemar: please join in #debian-es
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14:42<dutchy>I was about to tell him to do that in Spanish, oh well.
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14:44<cesurasean1>Can someone tell me why I'm getting this error after upgrading to lenny? warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied
14:46<fxiny>has libsasl2-2 been upgraded ?
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14:46<cesurasean1>fixed it with adduser postfix sasl
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14:52<deniz>where do i find out the supported digital pens hardware list for debian lenny?
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14:54<un|matrix>hi guys, i'm having some problems in kopete... there are no protocols on the list where u wanna add an account
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14:57<un|matrix>so noone cares? heh, no wonder everyone's gone to ubuntu
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14:58<fxiny>every who ? :P
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15:03<CrashnBrn>can someone help my figure out my gnome vnc issue please?
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15:13<jlouis>fxiny: let the poor bastard jump to Ubuntu. Then we don't have to take care of odd requests I don't understand
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15:15<petern>odd requests with an unspecified 3 minute answer deadline
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15:19<fxiny>jlouis: ;)
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15:21<deniz>is it true voice/video support is coming out in april for pidgin?!?! or was that an april fool's joke? (
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15:22<petern>judging by the video link...
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15:27<rufensis>can anyone help a debian newbie setup a wireless card? I crossed over from ubuntu today and am having loads of trouble with broadcom drivers and figuring out ndiswrapper
15:27<fxiny>jlouis: i think someone should update this : or just plain sed it s/windows/untu/ ;)
15:27<dondelelcaro>rufensis: you just need the firmware; you shouldn't need ndiswrapper
15:28<deniz>petern, it's an april fools joke???
15:28<rufensis>do you know of a good how to to get me through the firmware steps?
15:28<dondelelcaro>rufensis: install b43-fwcutter; and you should be good to go
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15:29<jlouis>ah bash! can't resist the temptation!
15:29<jlouis>and I am waiting patiently for xfce 4.6 to trickle down to my mirror
15:29<rufensis>thanks dondelelcaro
15:30<rufensis>first time on irc, too, btw
15:31<dondelelcaro>rufensis: np
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15:32<dondelelcaro>rufensis: yes, but it's in non-free. Also, please keep everything on #debian; I may not notice private messages
15:34<dondelelcaro>!tell rufensis -about b43-fwcutter
15:34<dondelelcaro>rufensis: what dpkg (a bot) told you has more information about that package
15:34<rufensis>do i need to enable any new libraries to be able to search for non-free, and if so, where do i find them? I remember doing this sort of thing on ubuntu with medibuntu and all that. is there something similar with debian?
15:35<dondelelcaro>!tell rufensis -about non-free sources
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15:38<ludovico>qualcuno di voi mi sa dire come posso installare Firefox?
15:38<jlouis>Do we have an !it as well?
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15:39<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:39<dondelelcaro>of course...
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16:10<prahal>what tool would you use to acquire video from a webcam (ie cheese is freezing while attempting to, pitivi reports an error in the console and grabs nothing, avidemux and kino are not able to )
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16:12<Denny>Hello, I am a new user to debian Linux, and was looking for some help ... can anyone give me a hand?
16:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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16:15<Denny>Ok, So i am trying to install XMMS with Gnome Ver 2.14.3 so i use the shell to type the command that is says in the install file ./configure it starts its thing, and ends with configure: error: no acceptable C Compiler found in $PATH what do i do?
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16:16<goodger>Denny: where did you get gnome 2.14 from?
16:17<Denny>Um... i downloaded it a while ago... and just installed it.. I think i got it from a torrent site...
16:17<Denny>is that a problem?
16:17<goodger>well, gnome 2.14 is very old
16:17<Denny>oh .. i see...
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16:17<goodger>debian's current release has gnome 2.22
16:17<Denny>ok ..
16:17<Necrun>why don't u use apt or synaptic?
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16:18<goodger>ok, so to install a C compiler you want to run "aptitude install build-essentials"
16:18<goodger>but, as Necrun rightly points out, xmms is also available through aptitude
16:18<Denny>where do i type that? just in the same window? I am very new to this./...
16:18<adb> build-essential < ***
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16:18<Necrun>open a terminal window
16:18<goodger>Denny: having changed to root (su), type it in
16:19<Denny>ok .. i have a terminal window open
16:19<Necrun>type 'su' without the quotes
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16:19<Necrun>and then ur password like root
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16:20<vinicius>hi! what can i do to be able to play mp3 files on rhythmbox?
16:20<Necrun>now just type waht goodger told u
16:20<vinicius>i've installed some gstreamer packages, but nothing happenned till now
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16:20<Denny>aptitude install build-essentials i tuped that in .. and it said type 'gnome-audio' is not known on line 12 in the source list /etc/apt/sources.list
16:21<Denny>ok .. hang on i did not see the type su thing first... i will retry
16:21<goodger>vinicius: have you installed gstreamer0.10-plugins-{bad, ugly, good}?
16:21<vinicius>goodger, yup!
16:23<goodger>all of them, I mean? (not just one of the three)
16:23<Denny>same thing .. is not known on line 12
16:23<goodger>er, silly question, also: have you restarted rhythmbox since installing the packages?
16:24<goodger>Denny: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file
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16:25<Denny>i am not useing my debian system to talk to you .. i am using my Windows based right now .. there was no irc program on my Debian system
16:26<goodger>does anyone have any opinion on trickle? LXFUK is supposed to be covering it next issue and it looks interesting; is there any specific reason to use it?
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16:26<goodger>Denny: I asked the bot to give you instructions to use pastebin, whereby you can send things to this channel without using IRC on your debian box
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16:26<Denny>oh ok .. hang on
16:26<goodger>Denny: (you can install an IRC client when you've fixed your APT configuration)
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16:28<acu>I want to install a HP Deskjet F2110 all-in -one - I run Lenny and while I run hplip I get this message: ./hplip-install: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
16:29<acu>what's the solution
16:29<adb> run it as root ?
16:29<goodger>acu: are you running as root?
16:30<goodger>hmmm... it ought not complain about /bin/bash being "bad" :/
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16:30<acu>I downloaded as user - change the permissions to that folder then run the sh .... run as root
16:31<Denny>goodger: done pasted at
16:32<Necrun>delete the line 12 XD
16:32<Necrun>and 13 i think
16:33<adb>and 14
16:33<goodger>woah, that's hideously outdated
16:33<Necrun>whats newer etch or sarge? i use sid long time ago XD
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16:33<goodger>Denny: as root, edit it and delete lines 11 and 12
16:33<Necrun>really? damn i remember when sarge was testing XD
16:34<goodger>Necrun: etch is newer, but was recently obsoleted by lenny :P
16:34<Necrun>XD damn
16:34<Denny>ok .. so how would i do that... i am really new.. i wanted to learn this..
16:34<Necrun>again Denny
16:34<Necrun>open a terminal
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16:34<Necrun>type 'su' without the quotes
16:34<Necrun>type ur password as root
16:34<goodger>Denny: ok, with your terminal as root, type "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" and hit enter, then make your changes, save and close the editor window
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16:35<prahal>nevermind about video capture issue . cheese could be gotten to work by disabling XV output (selecting X11) via gstreamer-properties
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16:36<Denny>ok thats done
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16:37<goodger>Denny: now run (still as root) aptitude update, to reload the package manager's impression of the world
16:38<Denny>in the terminal window?
16:38<Denny>ok its doing its thing
16:38<GustavF>Hi again! Now i´ve installed Debian succefully. But i have one problem.. My internet... I´m connecting wireless... And i can´t find the drivers..
16:38<goodger>all text-based instructions are entered into the terminal
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16:40<Denny>i just pasted something at .. something it said at the end...
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16:40<Denny>is that ok ?
16:40<Denny>or should i type what it said to ...???
16:40<goodger>wait a second
16:40<goodger>ah, no
16:40<Denny>thanks for your help
16:41<goodger>you need to go back into editing the file and remove the lines with cdrom (assuming you wish to eventually upgrade to the more recent version of debian)
16:42<Denny>once i get these bugs worked out.. i can update online yes?
16:42<Denny>ok so all the lines that say cdrom right?
16:42<Denny>and thats in the sources.list file?
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16:44<Denny>so to confirm .. delete line 2 4 13 14?
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16:44<vinicius>theres no alsaconf anymore... is this cmd deprecated?
16:44<goodger>Denny: delete lines 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 13, 14
16:45<Necrun>vinicius, do it like root
16:45<Denny> so thats all it should say?
16:45<vinicius>Necrun, well... alsa-tools is installed, but there´s no alsaconf
16:46<adb> alsa-utils
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16:46<vinicius>adb, also
16:46<goodger>Denny: that's fine. now run aptitude update again
16:46<GustavF>Is it someone some know som site there it´s drivers to debian to the hardware Belkin wirless g plus mimo usb adapter?
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16:47<adb>vinicius: apt-file search alsaconf
16:48<vinicius>alsa-utils: /usr/sbin/alsaconf
16:48<Denny>goodger... DONE :)
16:48<goodger>Denny: may I PM?
16:48<Denny>of course
16:48<vinicius>adb, it is installed, but theres nothing on this location
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16:49<adb>vinicius: dpkg -L alsa-utils| grep alsacon
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16:50<vinicius>adb, that returns nothing
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16:51<vinicius>adb, i did, with --purge
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16:51<adb>dpkg -l | grep alsa-utils
16:51<dpkg>ii | grep alsa-utils 2.7-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
16:52<adb>vinicius: ^^
16:52<vinicius>adb, ii alsa-utils 1.0.19-2 ALSA utilities
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16:52<adb>judd: versions alsa-utils
16:52<judd>adb: alsa-utils -- etch: 1.0.13-2 lenny: 1.0.16-2 squeeze: 1.0.16-2 sid: 1.0.19-2
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16:54<adb>vinicius: so found a bug in sid: alsa-utils ?
16:54<vinicius>adb, i dont know... just updated this today...
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16:54<vinicius>adb, i know in some dists they were deprecating this cmd and removing from alsa-utils
16:54<vinicius>adb, i dont know about debian
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16:55<vinicius>adb, the fact is that i dont have sound now :)
16:55<adb>vinicius: i dunno too
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16:55<adb>try to use testing version
16:55<vinicius>adb, thanks anyway
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16:56<adb>or even lenny are tha same
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16:56<adb>are the*
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16:57<eljefe>vinicius run as root: alsaconf
16:57<vinicius>eljefe, sudo: alsaconf: command not found
16:57<vinicius>adb, perhaps you can help to set the sound without this...
16:57<eljefe>install it first perhaps
16:57<vinicius>adb, i have the old config file.. its giving me some strange outputs
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16:58<vinicius>eljefe, it IS installed
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16:58<eljefe>oh :(
16:58<vinicius>eljefe, :)
16:58<vinicius>eljefe, thats the prob
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16:59<vinicius>adama, eljefe im getting this error on startup: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, it will be ignored in a future release.
16:59<vinicius>adb, eljefe along with several other config files...
17:00<adb>vinicius: download alsa-utils 1.0.16-2 . and install it with 'dpkg -i '
17:01<vinicius>adb, well.. i just reloaded the module... it seems its working now...
17:01<adb>ok , be happy
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17:08<xlotlu>meh, terrible forcedeth bug in 2.6.29
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17:09<nomopofomo>How would I check to see if any programs have been installed recently?
17:11<nomopofomo>My computer froze up and the HD was making tons of noise like I was installing something. Was worried that maybe my security has been compromised. Any help?
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17:11<eljefe>those errors are on my systems also, its not (yet) a concern and i bet the system (well, debian admins) will fix itself as time goes on
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17:12<eljefe>nomopofomo run 'last' to see who was on your system and from where
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17:14<eljefe>and 'history' to see if any commands we run from various accounts (nomopofomo, root)
17:14<adb>cat .bash_history
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17:16<nomopofomo>Problem is I'm running Ubuntu so no root account :(
17:16<nomopofomo>No clue how to get history from it.
17:16<eljefe>sudo history maybe
17:16<Lethalman_>nomopofomo: ubuntu has a root account
17:16<Lethalman_>it hasn't a password, but the account is there man :)
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17:16<eljefe>'sudo su' would get you there
17:17<nomopofomo>No kidding... K...
17:17<eljefe>is this a high-visibillity box? its unlikely that you got hit unless you have SSH open and weak passwords
17:17<nomopofomo>No history... I'm still a little paranoid though. Why does my harddrive keep making intermittent noises?
17:17<eljefe>its dieing
17:18<eljefe>i'd bet so
17:18<eljefe>hold on
17:19<eljefe>run: 'sudo aptitude install smartmontools' then run 'smartctl --test=short /dev/sda'
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17:19<eljefe>oh the second one, also with sudo
17:20<eljefe>but that won't tell you with certainty that the drive is OK or not OK
17:21<nomopofomo>Quick question while I run that, how reliable is a program like chkrootkit?
17:21<abrotman>nomopofomo: you should go to #ubuntu on freenode for support
17:21<nomopofomo>They are pretty worthless.
17:21<abrotman>then install debian
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17:21<nomopofomo>About the only question they can answer is how to install the latest NVIDIA drivers
17:22<goodger>chkrootkit as packaged in debian is fairly reliable, so long as it itself has not been rootkitted
17:22<goodger>unfortunately, we cannot support ubuntu here
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17:22<abrotman>This channel is for Debian support. We do not support Ubuntu or other debian derivatives
17:22<nomopofomo>I know.
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17:22<nomopofomo>But Ubuntu is based on Debian.
17:23<abrotman>nomopofomo: Install debian or go to #ubuntu on for support
17:23<abrotman>or even ##linux on freenode
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17:24<goodger>(we will of course be very happy to assist you installing debian)
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17:25<nomopofomo>That was my first Linux distro, actually... I think the reason I switched to Ubuntu was only for Synaptic.
17:25<goodger>I've used ubuntu since 5.04 and I can tell you very definitely that they didn't invent synaptic
17:26<nomopofomo>Can't remember using Synaptic with Debian. Does it come packaged with it?
17:26<nomopofomo>Since when?
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17:27<dondelelcaro>nomopofomo: since before ubuntu existed
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17:27<srmrmr>hey guys, i need to manually restart my wireless card. How can i do it?
17:28<srmrmr>Squeeze amd64
17:28<abrotman>the driver or the networking?
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17:28<srmrmr>i think the driver
17:29<srmrmr>why networkmanager dont find it anymore
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17:29<srmrmr>sometimes it happens, and everytime i need to reboot
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17:31<srmrmr>its like: im using internet, than it just disapear
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17:31<abrotman>srmrmr: do you know which driver makes your card work?
17:31<srmrmr>i click networmanager and it only found common networl
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17:33<abrotman>did you try to re-modprobe it ?
17:33<knoppix__>hy all
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17:34<Guest1534>help here?
17:34<atoz-chevara>srmrmr, yeah...and use wicd for managed your network card
17:34<abrotman>Guest1534: why would you msg me ?
17:34<abrotman>atoz-chevara: that's not available in lenny
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17:35<Guest1534>i try to wach live a tv program on internet and i get this erorr : No plugin found to handle this resource (mms://x.x.x.x
17:35<atoz-chevara>abrotman, hmm...i'm use it
17:35<Guest1534>anyone could help me pls ?
17:35<abrotman>Guest1534: you want to go to #knoppix on
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17:36<Guest1534>abrotman, no help here?
17:36<srmrmr>atoz-chevara, i use network manager gnome
17:36<abrotman>not for knoppix
17:36<abrotman>Guest1534: or install Debian
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17:38<atoz-chevara>srmrmr, hmm...use this, modprobe ath_pci
17:38<srmrmr>when i try modprobe ath_pci: "WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi, it will be ignored in a future release."
17:39<srmrmr>AND not works for anything
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17:41<atoz-chevara>srmrmr, this my output command for lspci...
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17:42<atoz-chevara>srmrmr, i'm using madwifi too
17:42<srmrmr>no output...
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17:43<srmrmr>its like its not exists
17:44<Venator>Hi evebody.... I deleted my file /etc
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17:44<Venator>I can to rebuild this now?
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17:45<srmrmr>atoz-chevara, whats the diference between madwifi and ath5k
17:45<dpkg>hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
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17:45<patrikf>Venator: first, of course, you'll have to recreate your /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:46<Venator>Patrikf, I don't now how to acess the system now
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17:47<Venator>when I restart my computer I cont to acces the system
17:47<patrikf>Venator: well, chroot into it from a live cd
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17:47<atoz-chevara>srmrmr, view this information about ath5k
17:48<patrikf>though you might also simply backup your data and reinstall from scratch
17:48<patrikf>Venator: please don't pm me
17:48<patrikf>Venator: you can ask dpkg (the bot) about chroot
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17:48<patrikf>/msg dpkg chroot
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17:49<srmrmr>atoz-chevara, i read, but it is better than madwifi? it have the same tools?
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17:50<patrikf>Venator: you'll have to mount your root system, e.g. in /mnt/root, then mount --bind /dev /mnt/root/dev; mount --bind /proc /mnt/root/proc; chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash --login
17:50<patrikf>srmrmr: ath5k is the open-source replacement for madwifi
17:50<patrikf>srmrmr: as it is quite new, performance might be not as good as with madwifi
17:51<Venator>let see
17:53<ComradeHaz>Hi guys, I'm trying to do an upgrade but get the following: Please could you advise as to what's going on with regards the untrusted packages. I wasn;t worried about the fact the servers were unreachable until I saw that. It's not some kind of 'man in the middle' attak is it?! :OO :D
17:53<srmrmr>atoz-chevara, i found the same error on a forum about kismet. they have same problem than me
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17:55<srmrmr>it appear that this error occurs after some users exit kismet
17:55<Venator>Patrikf, whot to mount the root?
17:55<srmrmr>same error. card disappear, needs restart
17:55<Venator>I am new user in debin
17:56<patrikf>Venator: read the mount manpage: "man mount", and/or google
17:56<srmrmr>Guys, how to solve this problem? "WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi, it will be ignored in a future release."
17:57<ComradeHaz>srmrmr: it will e ignored in a future release ;)
17:57<eljefe>srmrmr i think it will get fixed by debian as time moves on
17:57<ComradeHaz>forget it.
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18:00<srmrmr>but it means 1 more minute than i restart computer
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18:01<eljefe>i don't think that is related to your wireless going down, and the config files are still being used, its just saying in the future they may not be.
18:02*enouf concurs
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18:13<ComradeHaz>Hi guys, I'm trying to do an upgrade but get the following: Please could you advise as to what's going on with regards the untrusted packages. I wasn;t worried about the fact the servers were unreachable until I saw that. It's not some kind of 'man in the middle' attak is it?! :OO :D
18:14<dondelelcaro>ComradeHaz: that 404s
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18:28<goodger>how does one kill zombies?
18:28<dpkg>A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
18:28<goodger>ah, kill the parent. thanks
18:29<goodger>trickle appears to be having rather a deleterious effect upon firefox...
18:30<enouf>goodger: it's possible init [1] inherited the child, so if init is the parent - only a reboot would do, IINM
18:30<goodger>enouf: it seems to have died, thanks
18:30<enouf>great then ..
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18:38<rufensis>A newbie in crisis. Used to be on ubuntu and installed lenny today. All was working well until i tried to set up NFS networking as I had done on my ubuntu system, following the same guide. This command managed to crash my desktop and take me to a balck screen and terminal prompt. aptitude -P install nfs-kernel-server nfs-common portmap
18:39<rufensis>Anyone have an idea?
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18:53<mkirlar>hi all
18:53<mkirlar>i just installed debian
18:54<mkirlar>but i cant create ipv6 tunneling with sit0 or ip tunnel add
18:54<mkirlar>i can use just tunnel service protocol client
18:54<mkirlar>tun Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
18:55<mkirlar>tspc is working but sit not
18:55<mkirlar>what can i do any comment?
18:57<rufensis>Help! my first day with debian and the whole thing crashed when trying to setup NFS. I can't get past command prompt now. No X.
18:58<maazu>NFS is outdated
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18:59<rufensis>any idea how i can get back to X. When I restart it shows more kernels somehow, 686 and 486!
18:59<rufensis>i can't get past a command prompt
19:01<rufensis>this command killed it: aptitude -P install nfs-kernel-server nfs-common portmap
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19:07<ndshacker>hello im having trouble with samba shares: I cant find my printer
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19:07<ndshacker>I know it is there since all my windows computers can see it, but samba doesnt
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19:08<ndshacker>bah nvm
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19:09<ndshacker>now that ive reboot ed it works :s
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19:13<franklin>Hi, I need do do some statistics (based on some data that are already in a DB). what good (gui?) tool would you recommend ?
19:16<maazu>franklin: need to be more precise ie. is this some kinda powerpoint projection thing displaying a chart?
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19:21<franklin>maazu: I need a tool to play with my data, figure out how things are "connected"...
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19:24<franklin>i.e find out How wthings are related (like "80% of X are member of Y")
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19:26<maazu>franklin: well, if intense number crunching is involved, your better off writing chi-tests using c++
19:26<maazu>franklin: +ve correlation
19:27<petemc>what in particular makes you suggest c++ as a solution?
19:28<franklin>maazu: It's a table with about 70000 lines of data.
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19:29*franklin wish he learned more about statistics at school.
19:29<petemc>if its a databse, uml sunds like what you want
19:30<maazu>franklin: can parse 70000 lines with a while loop and insert them into a priority queue
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19:33<franklin>maazu: I am more looking for a point and click tool for statistics wanabes.
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19:33<franklin>petemc: what uml? Unified Modeling Language??
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19:35<petemc>franklin: yes, you dont think thats appropriate for your needs?
19:38<franklin>petemc: That's something I have never used.
19:38<patrikf>I don't think UML is appropriate for your needs
19:39<petemc>why not?
19:39<patrikf>franklin: I know that there's GNU R for statistical processing, but never used it
19:39<franklin>I think I'm going to play with OOo's calc (and it's DataPilot). that's very basic but I hope I can work something out of it.
19:40<franklin>patrikf: apt-cache remind me about it... I don't feel like jumping into it this Weekend.
19:40<patrikf>petemc, have you ever used UML?
19:41<patrikf>to statistically analyse data? what tool did you use?
19:41<petemc>not to do stats
19:41<maazu>franklin: that was what i was suggesting
19:42<maazu>Open Office's powerpoint
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19:42<maazu>have nice 3D pie charts
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19:43<franklin>maazu: the nice charts will come later... I need to get a better understanding of the data first.
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19:43<aina>hi everybody
19:43<petemc>patrikf: i guess i focused on visualizing connections, on rereading you're correct
19:43<skilz>Java exec found in /usr/java/jre1.6.0_13/bin/
19:43<skilz>Suitable java version found [/usr/java/jre1.6.0_13/bin/java = 1.6.0_13]
19:43<skilz>Configuring environment...
19:43<skilz>Loading FrostWire:
19:43<skilz>CLASSPATH SET TO:
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19:44<maazu>franklin: most databases provide min/max queries
19:44<maazu>franklin: avg() too
19:44<aina>i just wanted to ask some of you whether alienware box is well-supported on debian gnu linux
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19:46<franklin>maazu: Yes. but I also need to easily "agregated" some data and "zoom" some parts.
19:46<abrotman>it depends on the hardware in it, not who made it
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19:46<ndshacker>hello how can I add my self to root priveleges?
19:46<patrikf>aina: that's like asking whether it's safe to eat mushrooms.
19:46<ndshacker>i cant even use sudo
19:46<ndshacker>since it says im not a "sudo'er
19:47<patrikf>ndshacker: read "man sudoers", edit using visudo as root
19:47<ndshacker>er what?
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19:47<franklin>maazu : thank you for your help. I keep your suggestion in mind if OOo don't do the job (I may come back to you [#debian])
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19:48<maazu>franklin: cool :)
19:49<ndshacker>this is my first day on debian: i just switched from ubuntu and aside from having to open root prompt in order to use root priveleges it couldnt be better
19:49<abrotman>did you install and configure sudo?
19:49<ndshacker>um... no?
19:50<ndshacker>i didnt think i needed to, it came with ubuntu so i thought it was a standard
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19:52<dpkg>methinks sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>)
19:52<dpkg>i heard visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers)
19:53<patrikf>!tell ndshacker about selftell
19:53<maazu>times up
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19:57<ndshacker>ok heres a question, i opened visudo, but it wont close :|
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20:01<petemc>that seems more like a statement than a question
20:01<petemc>ndshacker: esc :wq if your editor is vim, ctl x is its nano
20:02<ndshacker>thank you
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20:07<ben_>i'm having a problem with sudo
20:08<ben_>it says x is not in the sudoers file this incident will be reported
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20:08<ben_>and x being the user name
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20:10<deniz>is it possible to get something from apt into a folder on my desktop and not install it so that i can bring it over to my other computer with a flash drive and use the file from there? it's in non-free and it's the firmware for my wireless card for the pc i want internet on
20:10<patrikf>deniz: download the .deb from a debian mirror and install with dpkg -i
20:11<deniz>patrikf, how do i "download the .deb from a debian mirror?"
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20:11<deniz>patrikf, deb lenny main contrib
20:11<deniz>non-free is the sources.list
20:11<ben_>how do i fix my sudoers file?
20:11<adb>!tell ben_ about sudo
20:11<deniz>ben_, su, password, visudo
20:12<ben_> i tried visudo but no luck
20:12<deniz>ben_, what did you do in ur visudo file?
20:12<patrikf>deniz: you can browse the repo by hand (pool/), use which has links to the .debs at the bottom of each package page, or apt-get --download-only and copy the deb from /var/cache/apt
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20:12<ben_>it say im not in the list.
20:12<patrikf>deniz: simplest is probably p.d.o
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20:13<Schreck>sudo tar cvf - scripts > /dev/st0
20:13<Schreck>Access denied to /dev/st0
20:13<Schreck>How to use just one time the sudo ?
20:13<deniz>ben_, copy paste ALL=(ALL) ALL
20:13<deniz>USERNAME under root ALL=(ALL) ALL
20:13<petemc>deniz: apt-zip does something like what you need
20:14<patrikf>Schreck: sudo sh -c 'tar cv scripts >/dev/st0'
20:14<deniz>petemc, what does it do exactly and how do i do it?
20:14<Schreck>Thanks a lot patrikf
20:14<petemc>deniz: it allows you to copy packages and deps to removable media
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20:15<deniz>petemc, o ya thats exactly what i want :D how do i use it?
20:15<petemc>deniz: install it, read its docs
20:15<deniz>petemc, just do apt-zip instead of apt-get install ?
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20:16<Schreck>Is it possible to make a tar.gz on a magnetic tape drive ? o_O
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20:17<deniz>petemc, could you give me a command that would download firmware-ralink wireless-tools from deb lenny main contrib
20:17<deniz> onto my desktop please? :(
20:17<abrotman>Schreck: you can tar to the device
20:17<Schreck>Yes abrotman
20:18<Schreck>But I would like to put on the flow to tar.gz
20:18<Schreck>Is this possible ?
20:18<patrikf>you can surely tar the tar.gz
20:18<patrikf>maybe there's some better solution, I've never used a tape drive in my life :)
20:19<Schreck>patrikf Hehe
20:19<Schreck>This works
20:19<Schreck>tar cvf - tmp > /dev/st0
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20:20<patrikf>Schreck: please do away with the "f -"
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20:20<Schreck>patrikf Niet hehe :/
20:21<ben_>how do i login as root?
20:22<patrikf>Niet... means Nyet? Neat?
20:22<petemc>ben_: what do you want to do as root?
20:22<ben_>open visudo
20:22<Schreck>patrikf This means negative hehe
20:22<petemc>ben_: open a terminal su
20:22<patrikf>Schreck: but "f -" is superfluous.
20:22<Schreck>Yes, result with
20:23<Schreck>sudo sh 'tar cvz scripts > /dev/st0'
20:23<patrikf>Schreck: you tell tar to write to a file instead of stdout, but then supply stdout again.
20:23<Schreck>sh: tar cvz scripts > /dev/st0: No such file or directory
20:23<ben_>how do i do that?
20:23<patrikf>Schreck: -c...
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20:23<petemc>ben_: you dont know how to open a terminal?
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20:24<ben_>yes i do.
20:24<ben_>but what is su?
20:24<petemc>a command
20:24<Schreck>patrikf Still doesn't work hehe
20:24<adb>!tell ben_ about su
20:25<aina>ben_, su gives you the possibility to become another user or the super user
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20:25<ben_>but after that what do i do then?
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20:25<adb>enter your passord
20:26<ben_>then what?
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20:27<ben_>i entered my password
20:27<ben_>now what?
20:27<adb>the commands you want
20:28<aina>ben_, so if you want to visudo then type it ;)
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20:29<ben_>it worked!
20:29<ben_>thank god.
20:29<adb>now enter 'exit'
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20:29<ben_>then what
20:30<ben_>do i have to reboot
20:30<aina>no need to reboot
20:30<ben_>ok good
20:30<ben_>now would i be able to use sudo?
20:30<adb>retry: sudo
20:31<ben_>thanks guys
20:32<ben_>works great
20:32<aina>that's kewl
20:33<ben_>so now we got that out of the way is there any tweaks i could possibly do?
20:33<skilz>hi im trying to get frostwire working but it's saying something about a java error
20:33<skilz>please refer to channel flood
20:34<ben_>what can i tweak now?
20:35<abrotman>skilz: you have to tell us before you paste .. try
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20:36<aina>ben_, what do you intend to do actually
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20:37<ben_>some net speed tweaks and so on...
20:37<ndshacker>Ok another problem, debian lags ;ike mad whenever i close + open a window, as in: i get black lines as the window closes or opens
20:38<ben_>now how would i go about making my gameport joystick work?
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20:39<platypus73>hi there anyone online?
20:39<ndshacker>this is absolutly horrid, if I wanted to lag while moving xchat i wouldve stuck to windows
20:39<aina>ben_, well i think you should have some good tutorial on internet 'cause debian is huge and learning needs time and patience
20:39<ndshacker>less: stop pinging me >.<
20:39<platypus73>windows sucks
20:40<ben_>i have all the time in the world
20:40<aina>platypus73, i agree ;)
20:40<ndshacker>platypus: i know
20:40<platypus73>I am new but happee to be here
20:40<ndshacker>i was using that to say how angry this whole laging thindg is making me
20:40<aina>platypus73, welcome in the linux world then
20:40<platypus73>it has been such a relief to leave the old windows
20:40<aden>whats up
20:40<platypus73>it has open my eyes to anew world
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20:41<ndshacker>geez: should've stuck to ubuntu if I wanted these problems :|
20:41<aina>platypus73, let me guess : you've been working on win vista isn't it ?
20:41<platypus73>sorry for my writing .. i am celebrating
20:41<platypus73>never vista... on;y xp
20:41<platypus73>it sucks
20:41<platypus73>i love this
20:42<aina>platypus73, vista is worse lol
20:42<platypus73>remember braveheart?
20:42<ben_>can someone help with making my gameport joystick work?
20:42<ndshacker>jesus :| my pc is lagging while moving my cursor
20:42<ndshacker>less: stop freaking pinging me
20:42<platypus73>i imagine i will have lots of questions.. but so far ubuntu has made my lif ea lot more easier and cheaper
20:43<ndshacker>platypus: this isn't an ubunt uchannel
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20:43<skilz>I just downloaded java from and installed it in /usr/java
20:43<platypus73>well i just made it here from there
20:43<ndshacker>oh for christs sake :|
20:43<abrotman>that was not good
20:43<abrotman>skilz: you should install the java already in debian
20:43<platypus73>cant be bad
20:44<ndshacker>how can my pc be lagging on google O.O
20:44<abrotman>skilz: lenny?
20:44<skilz>Linux ironlak 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
20:44<skilz>think so
20:44<ndshacker>im going back to ubuntu, sorry guys, but if my pc cant handle debian, ill deal with ubuntu
20:44<abrotman>skilz: apt-cache search sun java .. you'll see a bunch of them
20:44<ndshacker>expecially since my pc has > 1 gb ram and nearly 2 ghx cpu
20:44<skilz>so which one do I need?
20:45<abrotman>skilz: sun-java6-jre i'd guess .. i don't use frostwire
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20:46<ndshacker>maybe ill ocme back when my pc doesnt lag like ***** on debian :(
20:46<ndshacker>less: wtf? why are you pinging me so much?
20:46<ndshacker>6 times since ive been here: geez
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20:46<ben_>i need help.
20:47<dli>can I use apt-get to install d-i to a usb-hdd system?
20:47<platypus73>any spanish online
20:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:47<ndshacker>dli: no
20:47<ndshacker>during install you can mount it as your usr
20:47<abrotman>dli: what are you trying to do?
20:47<ndshacker>but you cant install to an extra hdd
20:47<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
20:47<Schreck>Does anyone uses mag tape for backup here ?
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20:48<abrotman>Schreck: lots of people ...
20:48<dli>abrotman, I have a usb-hdd holding debian lenny right now. I just wonder whether I can install from it also, beyond debootstrap
20:48<Schreck>abrotman Ok I hope I can have answer so... Hehe
20:48<abrotman>dli: install to what?
20:48<dli>abrotman, beyond holding a livecd on it
20:48<Schreck>When I make a tar on the mag tape... and when I check
20:49<Schreck>I can not have a mode appendable
20:49<abrotman>Schreck: tried /dev/nst0 ?
20:49<dli>abrotman, boot the usb from another computer, I have debian from usb, click installer to start installation
20:50<abrotman>dli: not that i know of .. debootstrap does that .. you could mirror the ISO on your USB drive perhaps?
20:50<dli>abrotman, I knew these two solutions:( hoping for something even easier
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20:51<Schreck>abrotman It still doesnt work
20:51<patrikf>dli: you can use apt-zip, ask dpkg
20:52<dli>patrikf, thanks
20:52<abrotman>Schreck: you want to run two different backups without the tape rewinding in between ?
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20:52<Schreck>abrotman Yes that's it
20:52<dli>patrikf, it's not an installer
20:52<patrikf>dli: agh, misunderstood your problem, thought you didn't have any network
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20:54<Schreck>abrotman: What I don't understand, is that I launche the two backups, one after the other, without any other command
20:54<Schreck>And it's only the last backup that is visible when I make a ==> tar tvf /dev/st0
20:55<abrotman>yes .. you're overwriting your first
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20:56<Schreck>abrotman: Do you know the way to avoid this ?
20:56<abrotman>Schreck: did you try something like `tar -zxf /dev/nst0 blah1 && tar -zxf /dev/st0 blah2` ?
20:56<Schreck>abrotman: No... Hehe
20:57<abrotman>didn't i kind of say that earlier?
20:57<abrotman>and you can leave off the "z" if you prefer
20:57<Schreck>I would like to launch these backups at different times
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21:01<deniz>im following: and even after a full restart it doesnt work -------------------> only possible error I see:
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21:02<abrotman>deniz: anything interesting in dmesg ?
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21:04<deniz>abrotman, it doesn't show all but:
21:05<gsimmons>deniz: Note that ifconfig is supposed to be run as root.
21:05<abrotman>deniz: did you try to configure wlan0 in your interfaces file ?
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21:08<deniz>abrotman, i have only done: from i cant do #6 since network monitor only shows wired ethernet and some connection called lo
21:09<abrotman>your dmesg seems to imply the device is functioning
21:10<deniz>abrotman, if it matters in the guide it said to use a lenny mirror but i used that mirror but changed it lenny to squeeze (since im using squeeze)
21:10<deniz>squeeze amd64 if it matters
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21:14<deniz>abrotman, do you know what i should do?
21:14<gsimmons>deniz: Try configuring your interface (wlan0) independently of network-manager (ie. /etc/network/interfaces).
21:15<deniz>gsimmons, is my /etc/network/interfaces
21:16<gsimmons>deniz: You'll need more than that. See
21:16<deniz>gsimmons, what do you mean by "you'll need more than that?"
21:17<gsimmons>deniz: With respect to /e/n/i setups, you need to provide both the SSID and the PSK, assuming WPA(2)-PSK usage.
21:18<deniz>gsimmons, that last line you said confused me very much
21:21<gsimmons>deniz: You need to state the network name (SSID) and passphrase. If you want to use NetworkManager, you shouldn't have wlan0 defined in /etc/network/interfaces to begin with.
21:22<deniz>gsimmons, so i have to comment every single thing in /etc/network/interfaces ?
21:22<deniz>gsimmons, and then use network-manager-gnome?
21:23<gsimmons>deniz: No, only wlan0.
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21:25<deniz>gsimmons, what if i just copy the whole /lib/firmware of ubuntu 8.10 and put it in /lib/firmware will it work? i tried that b4 and it worked on lenny but on squeeze it didn't work with ubuntu 8.04, what if i copy ubuntu 8.10's /lib/firmware
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21:26<yolanda>ylanda say hi]
21:26<gsimmons>deniz: No, rt2561.bin is being requested without issue, according to your dmesg output. You have the firmware. This isn't your problem.
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21:27<deniz>gsimmons, i am very confused, could you do this through remote desktop please?
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21:28<deniz>gsimmons, i beg you please, it should take like 5 minutes that way
21:29<deniz>gsimmons, ill pay attention too so ill learn how to do it again
21:30<gsimmons>deniz: No. If you want to use network-manager, comment line #8 in /etc/network/interfaces. This should instruct NM to recognize wlan0 as a configurable interface.
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21:31<deniz>gsimmons, that's it? and then it'll work?
21:31<gsimmons>deniz: Probably. You'll have to it first.
21:31<gsimmons>s/to it/to do it/
21:32<deniz>gsimmons, what does s/to it/to do it/ mean?
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21:32<deniz>gsimmons, i made it like this now but i don't know what to do next
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21:36<deniz>gsimmons, plz tell me what to do next because i feel im close to solving my problem
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21:38<alatz>is there a GUI for managing groups? How do I see available ones?
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21:41<deniz>alatz, system-->administration-->users and groups
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21:43<alatz>Gotta be blind!? Sorry rather go to bed... :P
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21:44<gsimmons>deniz: After you've commented or removed wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces, start up network manager/monitor again. Verify you can configure wlan0.
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21:48<Steven_M>hi all
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21:52<eeeuser>Q: Anyone know how gnome-open makes its decisions about which program to use to open files? Im on XFCE and I can't change the apps it uses....
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21:57<Steven_M>which do you think is better and why: using the flashplugin-nonfree package from Lenny backports or the flashplayer-mozilla packages from the debian-multimedia repo?
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22:03<brian17>i want to do a upgrade from lenny to squeeze
22:03<brian17>are my sources ok?
22:05<eeeuser>I'm no expert, but why is contrib & non-free missing from security?
22:05<abrotman>though you probably want security updates for contrib/non-free
22:05<eeeuser>brian17: ^^
22:06<brian17>last time i tried to upgrade it hung
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22:07<eeeuser>I did an upgrade a few days ago, it worked... So all i can say is that it is possible for it to work.
22:07<brian17>is the appropriate command
22:08<brian17>aptitude full-upgrade?
22:10<eeeuser>but do an update first
22:10<bzed>brian17: you know that squeeze ist not yet stable?
22:10<brian17>yes, but my sound doesn't work properly in lenny
22:10<brian17>so i have nothing to lose
22:10<eeeuser>so it becomes aptitude update && aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude && aptitude full-upgrade
22:11<brian17>why the second command?
22:11<eeeuser>to isntall the latest packaging system, before you try to use the old one to install the new, I guess. As I said im no expert.
22:12<eeeuser>Read the release notes :)
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22:14<eeeuser>brian17: you could just pin your alsa install and pull one from experimental/testing.
22:15<brian17>how do i do that
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22:17<eeeuser>I had to do it before lenny was stable for my eee. Here:
22:18<brian17>for me debian is a toy os
22:18<brian17>ill just upgrade
22:19<Steven_M>brian17: toy os?
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22:19<pjwaffle>is it me or am I not able to update to sid!?
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22:19<brian17>when i run aptitude full install it asks me if i want to leave dependancies unresolved...
22:20<pjwaffle>I simply added sid to sources.list and did update and dist-upgrade
22:20<brian17>what do i say
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22:20<pjwaffle>but the kernel is version 2.6.26
22:20<pjwaffle>which isn't right
22:20<eeeuser>which deps?
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22:21<Steven_M>brian17: why a toy OS, do you doubt debian's capabilities?
22:22<brian17>what do i do if i get something like this: Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
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22:23<eeeuser>brian17:it depends upon what dependencies you are leaving unresolved. If its something for supertuxkart, then you probably don't care. If its for say glibc, then you may care.
22:23<brian17>then do i say yes?
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22:23<eeeuser>If you say no, it will abort. If you say yes, it will proceed. This may or may not have implications, as previously mentioned.
22:23<brian17>right now this is what is being prompted:
22:23<brian17>foo2zjs recommends tik
22:24<eeeuser> foo2zjs - Convert Ghostscript pbmraw or bitcmyk format into a
22:24<eeeuser> ZJS printer stream
22:24<eeeuser>So its probably a minor thing.
22:24<eeeuser>you can remove foo2zjs if you are worried.
22:25<brian17>Steven_M: Debian is a toy OS because I am not using it for productivity
22:27<Steven_M>brian17: ok cool, just wondered
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22:28<Steven_M>brian17: what os is your main one?
22:28<brian17>windows xp
22:28<brian17>only windows xp can run visual studio
22:29*eeeuser has no need for IDEs ;)
22:29<Steven_M>brian17: fair enough :)
22:29<brian17>well i guess vista and 7 could too
22:29<eeeuser>gcc & make == cool.
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22:46<goodger>what about windows 2000 sp4, server 2003, server 2008?
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23:06<jaycee>noob to debian/linux just installed lenny need help to bring wifi up with Dlink DWL G122 adapter. Had ralink and network-tools installed thru synaptic. nm-applet not able to link adapter with router (wpa-personal)...
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23:29<pwcca>i have a bunch of packages in an iso file, im in vmware and i mounted the cd how would i edit /etc/apt/sources.list so that when i use apt-get i use the cd, the cd has only .deb files on it
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23:35<dpkg>apt-cdrom is, like, used to add new CDROMs to apt's list of available sources. Ask me about <apt-cdrom_external>.
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23:39<Steven_M>swf clips payback on my box, is there a way to increase the buffer size?
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23:43<ga_bash>Denny : you could use xchat..
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23:43<Woet>How would I update my machine to use SSL 3.0 rather than 2.0?
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23:50<bevan>greetings to all
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