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00:00<scientes>which they should allow
00:00<VTommy>no they don't i need to authenticate
00:01<scientes>idk ask in freenode#postfix about postfix forwarding with authentication
00:01<scientes>but you should send via your isp directly then
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00:03<CapaH>I have a Logitech mouse and I am trying to assign one of its buttons to a certain task - I use xev to get the technical details of pressing a particular mouse button, but I am not sure what to do with that information.
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00:46<scientes>why do people join ask, then leave
00:47<Lethias>In settin up a dual monitors for my pc, would it be best to use xrandr or xinerama
00:49<Lethias>I'm wanting to extend my desktop to the second monitor like I do in windows.
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01:09<Lethias>Whats the best way of setting up Dual monitors, xrandr or xinerama
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01:33<max_calc>hello I'm trying to configure my wireless card to work with my laptop: The output of "lsusb" is as follows: Bus 1 Device 2: ID 0864:4100 NetGear, Inc. MA101 802 11b Adapter. Would someone throw me a bone :)
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02:25<HamishB>Hi, trying to install lenny fresh on an older (c2002) HP laptop after the old hardrive (WinXP only) died. install goes well but when I reboot the system can't read the MBR. booting off the netinstall cd in rescue mode I only see /dev/hda, no hda1,2,3 partitions. 'fdisk -l' from the console sees them and /dev/hda1 et cetera show up after I 'w'rite the partition table again. then I can mount /dev/hda1 as root.
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02:25<HamishB>guessing that the death of the last hard drive took a bit of the IDE controller with it, how to automate a boot CD to bootstrap into /dev/hda1?
02:26<HamishB>then be able to remove the boot cd and use the cd drive for other stuff
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02:37<dougsko>HamishB: id say either go through the installer again and make sure to set the boot flag on the / partition or get a new hard drive. doing what youre asking with the cd drive is really not what you wanna do
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02:45<HamishB>dougsko: boot flag is on; this is the second HD I've tried; boots fine if put in another system. my strategy will be (I think) to put a kernel on a CD (bios too old to boot from usb) with a command to reread the part table (blockdev/partprobe/sfdisk -R) then somehow chroot to /dev/hda1 once I can see it. ??!?!
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02:46<dougsko>HamishB: i dont know. if it boots in another computer then your controller or somehting is probly hosed like you said
02:47<Rufus>is there anyone here who can help me with installing a RR1740 RAID card and moving /home to it?
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02:49<HamishB>dougsko: yeah, I am coming to that conclusion... but it is a beautiful laptop in every other way so it would be a pity to toss it due to a timing issue reading the partition table. so I need to figure out how to make an automated rescue CD.
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02:51<petern>install card, use bios to set up disks, boot debian, fdisk, mkfs. copy data from old /home, change fstab, done.
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02:52<dougsko>Rufus: two google searches, 'debian install raid', 'debian move partition'. you can do that with pretty much any topic and youll find what youre looking for
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03:01*uyi ucapin Assalamu'alaikum wr wb untuk Alam_Debian
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03:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
03:04<Ben90>i have a problem with totem movie player
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03:06<Ben90>can you help me?
03:06<EmleyMoor>Ben90: Please detail your problem
03:06<jean-luc>sorry, i can't you
03:06<jean-luc>it's too hurly morning ..
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03:07<Ben90>ok my totem movie player wont play mmsh protocols it says it needs a mmsh protocol source plugin which is not install
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03:08<EmleyMoor>Ben90: Do you have the debian-multimedia repository in your sources.list?
03:08<EmleyMoor>(not that I am sure it will help but it might)
03:09<Ben90>how do do that?
03:09<dpkg>dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
03:10<Ben90>im running debian 5.00 lenny
03:10*uyi gajul anton Prongosan wae Untumu garing kui!!! AMBU Peceren,Pete Jengkol!! Sikatan sik nuh!!!
03:11<EmleyMoor>Ben90: dpkg just /msg'd you a way to do this
03:11<EmleyMoor>Are you on i386 or amd64?
03:11<EmleyMoor>(or something else?)
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03:12<EmleyMoor>uyi: Please speak English on this channel
03:13<Ben90>im on i386
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03:14<EmleyMoor>The w32codecs package can be helpful - not saying it definitely is what you need though
03:14<Ben90>ok how do i get it?
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03:15<EmleyMoor>Add the debian-multimedia repository to your sources list, then aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade ; aptitude install w32codecs
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03:30<Rufus__>i can't install the highpoint rr1740 drivers
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03:33<EmleyMoor>Rufus__; How are you trying? What happens?
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03:34<Rufus__>i downloaded the open source driver from
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03:35<Rufus__>how do I get the driver into linux?
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03:36<EmleyMoor>Rufus__: I would think there would be documentation in what you downloaded
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03:36<Rufus__>yea, no it's not
03:36<EmleyMoor>Well, in that case it should bu available quite near to where you downloaded it
03:37<EmleyMoor>be, even
03:37<Rufus__>it says i have to run make
03:37<Rufus__>but then make isn't found
03:38<Rufus__>how do i get make?
03:38<Rufus__>apt-get install make ?
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03:38<EmleyMoor>Rufus__: Yes - or aptitude install make
03:38<Rufus__>ok, installing now
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03:39<Rufus__>grep: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/build/include/linux/version.h: No such file or directory
03:39<Rufus__>expr: syntax error
03:39<Rufus__>../../../inc/linux/Makefile.def:85: *** Only kernel 2.4/2.6 is supported but you use 2.. Stop.
03:39<Rufus__>i'm using lenny which has 2.6
03:40<Rufus__>the driver is for kernel 2.6
03:40<EmleyMoor>Are you sure you haven't missed a step, or had a step fail?
03:40<stew>Rufus__: aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
03:40<Rufus__>thats why i'm here
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03:41<Rufus__>stew doing it now
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03:45<Rufus__>ok no errors
03:45<Rufus__>i'll reboot
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04:02<EmleyMoor>Can we help you?
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04:04<EmleyMoor>What of it?
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04:07<Rufus>Hey, thanks so much to the people that helped me before
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04:07<Rufus>got the raid working
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04:07<tully>whats a good dl mgr thats rs compat
04:07<Rufus>just one thing
04:08<Rufus>how can I make sure /home is located on /dev/sda1?
04:08<tully>Rufus, type mount and see if /dev/sda1 is located at /home, if not then umount it and type mount /dev/sda1 /home
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04:09<Rufus>fkn ace
04:09<Rufus>thankyou soooooo very much
04:09<tully>np bud
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04:11<nhanth87>oh, it not true
04:12<nhanth87>because /home is mounted
04:12<nhanth87>and U can't mount him to some where
04:13<EmleyMoor>It's more partition management really
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04:18<szymon_g>i've got a probably stupid question: how can i install 64bit flash 10 on debian? i tried to copy to /usr/lib64/iceweasel/plugins (i created that directory) and it didnt worked- i get only segfaults. also creating directories like /iceweasel/firefox/plugins didnt help. i've got it in my ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins
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04:20<szymon_g>... anyone?
04:20<nhanth87>hi szy
04:21<Peg_^>hi :)
04:21<nhanth87>iceweasel is firefox customize for knoppix
04:21<nhanth87>and u can't use /ice.../plugin for other distro
04:21<nhanth87>use the #
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04:22<Peg_^>hi =D
04:22<qimo>were you from
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04:22<Peg_^>Who ?
04:22<tully>i'll never understand mozilla
04:22<qimo>you peggy
04:22<Peg_^>Peg :p
04:23<Peg_^>France :)
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04:23<qimo>ah france nice country
04:23<qimo>i'm from belgium
04:23<Peg_^>nice girls :)
04:23<Peg_^>ok ^^
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04:24<qimo>sarcozy is a funny men
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04:25<dpkg>To use the beta flash non-free player without running into problems in usermode download the tar.gz from, mkdir /home/`whoami`/.mozilla/plugins and copy the extracted .so into it.
04:25<simonrvn>szymon_g: ^^^
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04:26<Peg_^>You speak french qimo ? A lot of belgian speak french ^^
04:27<Peg_^>oh ...
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04:27*Peg_^ catch breath
04:27<Peg_^>anyone hnow "sinequanon" ?
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04:38<union2_992>Ïðèâåò, à ðóññêî ãîâîðÿùèå åñòü?
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04:46<szymon_g>simonrvn: thanks, but this way i get segfaults when i go into youtube, not when i try to open flashmovie
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04:47<szymon_g>zsh: segmentation fault firefox
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05:02<simonrvn>szymon_g: aptitude install youtube-dl and play them in mplayer, vlc, or something
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05:05<szymon_g>i dont have it in repos o.O anyway, its not really a solution.
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05:06<szymon_g>ok, have to go.
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05:11<Ben90>any one here
05:12<Ben90>Hello? anybody here?
05:13<Ben90>im having trouble with totem movie player
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05:14<Ben90>it keeps saying The playback of this movie requires a MMSH protocol source plugin which is not installed.
05:17<Ben90>never mind.
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05:22<petern>hmm, what bit of apache would cause a request for "/news" to go to "/news.php" ?
05:23<petern>(yes the server's debian ;))
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05:24<koollman>petern: mod_rewrite configuration, perhaps. (directives like 'RewriteRule ...')
05:24<koollman>or perhaps 'RedirectMatch ...'
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05:25<petern>trying to use rewrite but the .php is added before then
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05:38<petern>koollman, found it, was MultiViews
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06:07<benjamin_>was ist lenny?
06:08<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
06:09<benjamin_>wer bist du?
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06:39<aaziz>Hi All ..I'm using etch with php & mysql ..I'm getting this err " warning: Cannot modify header information" many thanks for ur help
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07:32<aaziz>Hi All. can any one tell what causes this error "
07:32<aaziz>Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by "
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07:33<petern>try a php channel
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07:36<aaziz>I'm new in php, What is php channel
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07:36<mdambrosio>aaziz: #php maybe? :)
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07:52<KaiSVK>hi all, I have 4 PATA disk with data on my "server", and I wanned to install debian on a USB disk, everything went fine, but it didn't boot up, Grub Error message 21 does anyone know to help me or at least say if it is possible to boot the debian from USB drive ???
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07:55<GodFather>anyone there?
07:55<GodFather>server gives me this when I try to do sudo -bash: sudo: command not found
07:55<GodFather>its a debian 4.0 dedicated server
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07:56<myshell>apt-get install sudo
07:57*GodFather humps myshell <3
07:57<GodFather>(you won't believe how many times I had to tab for that)
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07:58<GodFather>so I'm trying to get this userface running, a virtual desktop
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07:59<KaiSVK>dougsko, thanx I wanted to do that ;)
07:59<dougsko>KaiSVK: google can make all your dreams come true ;)
07:59<GodFather>and when I try to install gnome it tells me E: Package gnome-app-install has no installation candidate
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08:00<dougsko>GodFather: the package isnt named, gnome-app-install
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08:00<VTommy>anyone can help me setup postfix relay with authentications
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08:01<VTommy>i have look for the pass 3 days online to find solution but to no success
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08:02<GodFather>sudo apt-get install xorg gnome-core gdm gnome-media gnome-system-monitor gnome-system-tools gnome-volume-manager gnome-utils gnome-app-install synaptic firefox evince file-roller gdebi alacarte totem p7zip unrar lzma
08:02<GodFather>i typed that btw
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08:02<dougsko>GodFather: my advice is to try just installing 'gnome' and let the manager take care of the dependencies
08:03*xlotlu tries apt-get remove that
08:03<dougsko>if there's anything left over that it didnt install that you want, go for it. but let it do the bulk of the work
08:04<GodFather>I was going to do that but this server is kinda slow (1.2ghz) so i was adviced to leave some packages out and type that one
08:04<GodFather>i even watched someone do it on vnc >_< but it worked on his end lol
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08:05<dougsko>thats just how id approach the situation from a troubleshooting perspective. do one small step at a time. how else could you ever know where the problem is?
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08:06<dougsko>also, you dont need a "fast" machine to install packages. there's no compilation involved
08:06<Nemoder>also, using aptitude in place of apt-get can make dependencies less of a headache
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08:06<dougsko>yeah good point. aptitude is win
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08:07<VTommy>anyone can help me setup postfix relay with authentications
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08:08<GodFather>mm I'l try that and read up on aptitude
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08:09<dougsko>GodFather: really, its basically the exact same usage-wise as apt. so instead of apt-get install foo, its aptitude install foo
08:09<Nemoder>GodFather: aptitude accepts the same parameters as apt-get, although it also has a menu system if run by itself
08:09*Nemoder is too slow
08:09<GodFather>ah i see the menu now
08:10<klh>are you sure Nemoder: "using aptitude in place of apt-get can make dependencies less of a headache,"I only use apt-get and don't get dependencies trouble
08:10<Nemoder>!why aptitude
08:10<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
08:10<KaiSVK>dougsko, I try to install grub on the usb disk on another pc than the server, is that ok ?
08:10<klh>happy to make you laught ;)
08:11<dougsko>KaiSVK: yeah that shouldnt matter
08:11<Nemoder>apt-get isn't bad, it just can't do everything aptitude can
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08:11<KaiSVK>dougsko, fdisk -l I can not see that the disk is boot *
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08:12<Nemoder>although personally I still use dselect, I guess I'm a masochist :)
08:12<dougsko>KaiSVK: well thats probly it then :)
08:12<KaiSVK>but grub says error 21
08:13<klh>ok, thanks for advise, hey dselect is perfect way ^^
08:13<And1>Hey folks, how would I xmodmap german umlauts to right-Alt+{a|o|u}?
08:14<dougsko>KaiSVK: honestly, i dont really know any more than what i linked you. ive never ran into any grub problems personally
08:14<dougsko>KaiSVK: id say just do it again and see what happens
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08:16<GodFather>and should I install raw X before installing gnome?
08:16<dougsko>GodFather: if you install gnome, itll install X for you since gnome depends on it
08:17<GodFather>and how do I go from the aptitude menu to the command thing again?
08:17<dougsko>just run aptitude install gnome
08:18<djc>i thinkhe's asking how to exit aptitude
08:18<Nemoder>q for quit
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08:18<Nemoder>or ctrl-t then q
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08:20<djc>besides the gui, does synaptic do anything different than aptitude?
08:21<Nemoder>synaptic is different but they all use the same package system so you can switch between them without issues
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08:22<djc>yes, i realize that.. im just wondering if synaptic has advantages over aptitude as far as dependencies, etc
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08:24<GodFather>ah thanks q worked
08:24<dougsko>djc: nah, its just graphical
08:24<GodFather>i was on the toilet sorry :P~
08:25<VTommy>anyone can help me with postfix relay with authentications
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08:29<GodFather>dougsko> GodFather: my advice is to try just installing 'gnome' and let the manager take care of the dependencies << you mean manager asin the app manager on the desktop?
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08:29<GodFather>asin, I install gnome, then nxserver and use the nxclient to get into my server and then install apps as I wish?
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08:30<dougsko>GodFather: no, like, let aptitude figure out that gnome needs X. all you need to know is that you want gnome
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08:33<GodFather>Setting up xkb-data (0.9-4) ...
08:33<GodFather>E: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
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08:35<koollman>GodFather: time to 'aptitude update'
08:36<GodFather>and then run aptitude install gnome again?
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08:40<GodFather>and i'l have to install all the separate stuff after that? like gnome-system-monitor and apps like firefox?
08:40<GodFather>or when you install gnome is it like a complete package
08:41<koollman>I think the 'gnome' packages will require most of the common gnome packages
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08:42<djc>GodFather, hint, install what you think you need. if you go to look for something you want, and it isnt there, install it then
08:42<djc>you don't need to plan quite that far in advance.. as long as you have net, you can always add more
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08:43<djc>koollman, could also use tasksel to install 'desktop' or 'laptop'
08:43<djc>which installs a collective group of commonly used applications
08:44<djc>once you have gnome running, I'd suggest browsing through synaptics 'sections'
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08:44<djc>if you are looking for stuff 'you might want'
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08:57<nappo>c'è qualcuno che può darmi una mano?
08:58<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:06<GodFather>okay, after I did aptitude install gnome
09:06<GodFather>it gave me this
09:06<GodFather>Errors were encountered while processing:
09:06<GodFather> linux-sound-base
09:06<GodFather> alsa-utils
09:06<GodFather> alsa-base
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09:06<GodFather>then it finished
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09:18<gnufan_>Grr - Xorg seems to mess up occasionally on this machine - some change that went in just before release of lenny. Symptom is that suddenly the keyboard seems unresponsive inside of the GNOME desktop. X log reports a couple of messages "Open ACPI Successful ..." and "Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting : succeeded". It happens rarely and has just happened again. Anyone have any ideas on useful things to record before I restart gdm?
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09:18<gnufan_>The Xorg log messages are some sort of reset, I looked that up last time it happened.
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09:21<gnufan_>Menus aren't working in applications - the mouse over highlights the item underneath, but no menu drops down on click.
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09:21<dougsko>gnufan_: that might be a gnome problem and not X
09:23<gnufan_>dougsko: agreed - just wondered if there was a useful troubleshooting procedure, none of the logs show much of interest. .xsession-error probably ought to have date stamps - I think I'll file a wishlist bug....
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09:24<dougsko>gnufan_: yeah i dont think youll really find anything relevant in the X logs. and i dont know if gnome really does any serious logging at all
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09:26<GodFather> The NX Client set-up procedure detected that your "IPP CUPS" printing
09:26<GodFather> backend doesn't allow printing from the NX session. In order to have
09:26<GodFather> printing support in your NX system, you need to set proper permissions
09:26<GodFather> on the IPP backend. Please execute:
09:26<GodFather> chmod 755 /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp
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09:26<Cadmium02>Are there any drivers for blu-ray drives?
09:30<gnufan_>dougsko: Oh well still working through applications - doesn't stop on killing screensaver like a similar Ubuntu bug....
09:32<GodFather>anyone used nx server?
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09:34<gnufan_>hmm - starting a non-GNOME application got me a menu, and an error about other application having "grab". At least something to search with.
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09:46<gnufan_>Hmm killing the GNOME settings daemon seemed to work?!
09:46<GodFather>why can't I login as root on nomachine nx?
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09:55<pawel>how to add etch sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
09:56<GodFather>sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
09:56<GodFather>then just add them and update
09:57<GodFather>sudo apt-get update
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09:57<pawel>1. don't have gui 2. I know I have to *just* add them, but what to add?
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09:57<GodFather>those are commands for command window
09:57<GodFather>not gui
09:57<pawel>gedit is graphical.
09:58<GodFather>it opens a txt file
09:58<GodFather>from putty
09:58<pawel>what to add for Etch sources?
09:58<GodFather>sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
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09:59<GodFather>no idea then, I'm really new, sorry.
09:59<pawel>how to add etch sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list (what line to add)?
09:59<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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10:00<skiter>hi, I have problems with nm-applet. it don't connect wireless network with key
10:00<skiter>only without key
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10:05<pawel>will 'apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6' install GRUB when I don't have it?
10:05<pawel>if I've got another kernel
10:05<pawel>or just replace the old one?
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10:06<stew>pawel: what do you mean by "the old one". what version of debian are you running now?
10:06<pawel>hacked NAS edition xD
10:06<GodFather>anyone know why can't I login as root on nomachine nx?
10:07<pawel>uname -a: Linux NAS 2.4.27-star #1759 Wed Aug 15 03:31:19 PDT 2007 armv4l GNU/Linux
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10:08<pawel>won't I brick the nas?
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10:21<jaycee>Would like to get expert advice on Symphony (version 1.2 on Ubuntu 8.0.4). Basically, is it installable and functioning with on Lenny???
10:23<petern>does not appear in my package list
10:23<pawel>will 'apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6' install GRUB when I don't have it?
10:23<pawel>if I've got another kernel
10:23<pawel>just replace the old one?
10:23<pawel>won't I brick the nas?
10:24<pawel>hacked NAS edition xD
10:24<pawel>uname -a: Linux NAS 2.4.27-star #1759 Wed Aug 15 03:31:19 PDT 2007 armv4l GNU/Linux
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10:25<pawel>I don't want ANY bootloader other than this on chip.
10:25<ranix_>jaycee: get the .deb and try it out
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10:25<ranix_>jaycee: only one way to find out
10:25<ranix_>a .deb will not break anything without giving you substantial warning
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10:26<ranix>of course, it would be much easier if they'd just release source code
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10:27<e7th04sh>i have creative webcam that works under vista, what do i do to get it working under debian?
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10:28<e7th04sh>!give e7th04sh webcam
10:28*dpkg gives e7th04sh webcam
10:28<e7th04sh>!give e7th04sh everything
10:28*dpkg gives e7th04sh everything
10:28<@Ganneff>stop playing with the bot (or go to /msg) please
10:28<e7th04sh>sure sure, sorry
10:29<e7th04sh>i just hoped he has some info on webcams
10:29<GodFather>hey Ganneff you have experience using nomachine?
10:29<pawel>will 'apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6' install GRUB when I don't have it or just replace the old one? I have Debian hacked NAS edition (followed tutorial from ). Won't I brick the NAS?
10:29<jaycee>Am a linux noob. had DL symphony...deb and followed the ultra simple install instruction (click and follow screen instruction) but get me nowhere except it triggers the file roller - no further steps available......
10:30<pawel>will 'apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6' install GRUB when I don't have it or just replace the old one? I have Debian hacked NAS edition (followed tutorial from ). Won't I brick the NAS?
10:30<gsimmons>e7th04sh: What is the vendor/device ID of your webcam? (lsusb)
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10:30<e7th04sh>I am not sure if i understand... Is creative a vendor?
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10:31<e7th04sh>model is vf0420
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10:35<e7th04sh>it's usb webcam... how do i check if it's working? maybe it just works and i am doing something wrong?
10:35<kop>jaycee : As a noob you want to be installing from the debian repositories. No downloading from hither and yon.
10:35<djc>jaycee, what is symphone? did you get it through synaptic or aptitude?
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10:36<djc>kop, Ive been to hither, I think, maybe, but how do I get to yon?
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10:37<pawel>will 'apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6' install GRUB when I don't have it or just replace the old one? I have Debian hacked NAS edition (followed tutorial from ). Won't I brick the NAS?
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10:38<jaycee>this in an openoffice equivalent product from IBM which I have been used to not buying MS Office.....
10:39<jaycee>one can DL symphony from IBM site....
10:40<djc>what kop said, however
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10:40<e7th04sh>dmesg shows my debian correctly recognized the webcam model
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10:40<djc>you should use aptitude or synaptic
10:40<djc>if some site offers a debian lenny repository, you could do it that way
10:40<djc>you'd add their repository to your sources.list
10:40<djc>then update/refresh
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10:41<djc>if they don't, then it is likely it wont work right on lenny
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10:43<gsimmons>e7th04sh: The "Creative Live! Cam Vista IM VF0420" (041e:4064) is supported by the ov51x-jpeg driver. Assuming use of Debian Lenny, this can be installed and loaded via: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a ov51x-jpeg && modprobe ov51x-jpeg". You may unload and blacklist the kernel-supplied ov511 driver.
10:43<jaycee>ok. I got you. I think I should get the answer IBM. ks alot....
10:43<gsimmons>s/may unload/may need to unload/
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10:44<camel__>is there anywhere I can get a debian netinst-like CD image, but with a 2.6.29 kernel?
10:44<camel__>I need it to complete a netinst, as 2.6.26 cannot recognize the network devices in my laptop :(
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10:45<djc>none of them?
10:45<djc>not even the ethernet port?
10:45<camel__>djc: yes, not even the ethernet port.
10:45<camel__>it looks like 2.6.28 would also be OK
10:45<djc>might be simpler just to get the first regular cd
10:45<djc>and install from that
10:45<camel__>and then...?
10:46<djc>what laptop do you have? what nic does it have?
10:46<camel__>oh, the CD is recognized
10:46<camel__>so worst case, I could put a kernel tree on a CD
10:46<camel__>umm, a sony vaio P-something
10:46<camel__>it has a yukon ultra 2 (88E8057)
10:46<e7th04sh>gsimmons thank you
10:46<camel__>here is the diff adding support for it:
10:46<djc>must be some very oddball hardware
10:46<camel__>yeah, it's just too new :(
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10:47<mathieu>peut t'on configuré une imprimante (Printe Canon PIXMA IP3600) en réseau avec Samba
10:47<djc>you could install from lenny CD 1, then seperately download the linux-image deb and put it on a cd
10:47<dpkg>methinks be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS.
10:47<camel__>mathieu: die
10:48<djc>camel__, ?
10:48<camel__>djc: sorry, just speaking german for a bit ;)
10:48<amphi>!tell mathieu -about fr
10:48<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
10:48<camel__>djc: umm, that's not a bad idea
10:48<ranix>camel__: no trolling allowed
10:48<djc>alternatively, if you had say a USB nic that was supported..
10:49<camel__>ranix: ?????????????
10:49<camel__>yeah, no such luck
10:49<camel__>i'll give the CD1 thing a go
10:49<camel__>so, thanks :)
10:49<pawel>will 'apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6' install GRUB when I don't have it or just replace the old one? I have Debian hacked NAS edition (followed tutorial from ). Won't I brick the NAS?
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10:50<ranix>iirc, linux-image is simply a kernel
10:51<djc>pawel, perhaps you need a nas-hacked edition of lenny, if you are looking to upgrade
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10:54<pawel>will linux-image install a bootloader or set new kernel a default one/
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10:55<E0x>pawel: not
10:55<E0x>linux-image donde have any bootloeader like dep
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10:56<E0x>os if you already have grub installed it just will regenerate the menu.lst
10:56<E0x>file for add the new kernel
10:56<davius>hi! How do I change the default boot option in GRUB?
10:57<petern>see /boot/grub/menu.lst
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10:59<e7th04sh>gsimmons, i am a newbie, i am now in this dialog of module assistant
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11:00<e7th04sh>i went through all steps but the last one
11:00<e7th04sh>what do i do on the last one?
11:01<gsimmons>e7th04sh: Did you run "m-a a-i ov51x-jpeg"?
11:01<davius>well, it shows default 0. Do I have to change it to Default 4 so that it makes the fifth option the default
11:01<Cadmium02>Hey guys, do you know if Lenny has blu-ray drivers?
11:01<e7th04sh>i copypasted the line you gave me :]
11:01<petern>davius, yup
11:01<davius>thnx petern... I'm out to test it. ciao
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11:02<Cadmium02>I am going to buy a sony vaio laptop, which I will be connecting to my dhtv tv and was wondering if it will al work with Linux
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11:02<ranix>Cadmium02: I guarantee it will at least partially work with linux
11:03<ranix>Cadmium02: if you're buying it anyway, try it out and see if you like it
11:03<Cadmium02>ranix, "at least partially" ?
11:03<ranix>wireless and video are always a pain in the ass
11:03<e7th04sh>gsimmons i copypasted the line you gave me :]
11:03<ranix>because of the closed nature of wireless and video chipsets and drivers
11:03<ranix>they are backwards technology with 50 yesr-old development practices
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11:04<Cadmium02>It would suck if I had to use windows because of this on my laptp
11:04<amphi>Cadmium02: you should look on or for info, perhaps
11:04<Cadmium02>I'd rather not but a laptop than have to se windows again
11:04<amphi>sony are generally nasty and proprietary as far as I know
11:05<zedboy>Cadmium02: there's plenty of laptops outthere that work 100% on linux
11:05<amphi>the few vaios I've seen seemed very flimsily built
11:05<ranix>Cadmium02: you should go out of your way to get a laptop with good video and wireless
11:05<ranix>Cadmium02: it will save you the time in frustration later, guaranteed.
11:05<amphi>Cadmium02: get a stinkpad ;)
11:05<ranix>and by 'good' I do not mean "ZOMG PLAYS CRYSIS"
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11:06<Cadmium02>ranix, what do you mean?
11:06<ranix>check amphi
11:06<Cadmium02>I am thinking sony vaio with blu-ray reader
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11:06<Cadmium02>will debian read blu-ray?
11:06<ranix>linux-laptop and
11:06<gsimmons>e7th04sh: What do you mean by "the last one"? You can ignore my previous ov511 driver unload/blacklist suggestion.
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11:08<ranix>Cadmium02: I don't know why you would go out of your way to get a DRM device
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11:08<Cadmium02>ranix, do I have any other choice for hd ?
11:09<ranix>it is not impossible to download hd videos
11:09<e7th04sh>i have a module list and it expects me to do something with something from that list
11:09<ranix>since it's quite possible illegally, I assume there must be a way to do it legally
11:09<e7th04sh>you probably thought it's somethign obvious, but i am stuck :p
11:09<ranix>I may be mistaken
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11:10<ranix>I have purchased exactly one DVD in my lifetime
11:10<ranix>first and last
11:10<Cadmium02>ranix, I have never bought a dvd :)
11:10<ranix>Cadmium02: bluray is the same imo
11:10<ranix>same shit different brand
11:11<ranix>I'm in #debian-offtopic if you want to hear me rant, but it's likely a waste of your time to listen
11:11<Cadmium02>ranix, the thing is I'm getting this HD tv set and wanted t hook it p to my Debian laptop(which I havent bough/nstalled yet) and watch some hd movies on it
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11:16<ahmad>hello there
11:16<gsimmons>e7th04sh: You're in currently in m-a's interactive mode, due to a missing command in my initial instructions. Exit out of it, then run "m-a a-i ov51x-jpeg && modprobe ov51x-jpeg".
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11:18<ahmad>I have that question if anyone can help ...
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11:18<ahmad>you think it is possible to have a Mac OS X Virtual machine running on Ubuntu 8.10?
11:19<SlimeyPete>virtualbox *might* do it but I've never tried
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11:19<e7th04sh>you could probably have windows running on that virtualbox mac os, given enough resources and determination in achieving the goal :D
11:19<ahmad>you think I can get a mc osx image?
11:20<SlimeyPete>I think you can if you search around for it, but I won't give you one. That'd be illegal.
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11:20<ahmad>so the truth is out there
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11:21<bighornram>unable to boot squeeze machine today. is there a known issue?
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11:21<ahmad>i have to go through that exercise to have X-Code running to develop an app. for iPhone!
11:21<e7th04sh>gsimmons, thank you, that's very nice to share knowledge with a newbie like me - the last command is done, what now?
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11:23<bighornram>getting 'linux': unknown terminal type. when booting to safemode then control-d prompt
11:23<gsimmons>e7th04sh: Go ahead and use the device (eg. /dev/video0); /msg dpkg webcam
11:23<jemorales>hola soy nuevo alguien me orienta
11:23<djc>'safemode' ?
11:23<djc>sounds like windows
11:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:24<bighornram>then modprobe: FATAL Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/modules.dep: Not a directory.
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11:24<djc>bighornram, what do you mean 'safe mode' ?
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11:24<bighornram>single user mode.
11:25<djc>are you unable to boot normally?
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11:25<djc>sounds like maybe one or more of your fs are unmountable
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11:27<Davius>Hi ppl! I have a little tricky problem with GRUB.
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11:28<Davius>My bro set the timer to 0.1 seconds, and default to Windows. I'm not able to get into Linux
11:28<djc>boot from the install cd into resuce mode and fix grub
11:28<dpkg>hello, davius
11:28<ffws>Davius: edit the menu.lst from windows
11:28<Davius>how exactly do i find it?
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11:29<bighornram>djc: any suggestions for my boot problem? fsck says all clean
11:29<djc>ffws, you want him to install ext3 support in windows?
11:29<ffws>Davius: /boot/grub/menu.lst
11:29<djc>bighornram, you'll have to lok around and see whats wrong
11:29<Davius>hey. i'm working in windows, i.e. NTFS.
11:29<ffws>Davius: or use a linux live cd
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11:29<Davius>wait. I have a live CD.
11:29<djc>Davius, boot from the install cd into resuce mode and fix grub
11:30<Davius>okay. I'll boot into install cd, and what next?
11:30<djc>or a live cd, mount whever /boot is, and edit the grub config
11:30<djc>if you use the debian install cd and rescue mode, it will offer the option to mount the system from the hd
11:31<djc>assuming you are running debian, that is.. and if you arent, you arent in the right irc channel
11:31<Davius>Okay. I'll try the install cd. I'll b back. thnx djc.
11:31<Davius>i'm running debian.
11:31<djc>and dont give your brother the root password
11:31<djc>after you change it
11:31<djc>unless its his machine.. in which case leave it alone
11:31<GodFather>whenever I try to edit a file with gedit I get cannot open display: (null), anyone know why or how to solve this?
11:31<natanael>hello, i have a broblem with automatic bluetooth connection
11:31<djc>GodFather, are you 'su' ed ?
11:32<GodFather>i type sudo gedit
11:32<djc>when you su it loses the DISPLAY parameter
11:32<GodFather>but I'm not sued
11:32<natanael>normaly my mouse and keyboard should automaticly be connected, when i hit a key ore click the mouse
11:32<GodFather>(logged in as su)
11:32<djc>try gksdudo
11:32<Davius>i'm surely gonna change d root... hw stupid i was...
11:32<GodFather>ok, let me try :D
11:32<natanael>and my kbluetooth also recognizes this, because it opens a info. that it tries to connect to the inputdevice
11:33<GodFather>(gksudo:29353): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
11:33<GodFather>gives me that djc
11:33<djc>GodFather, you are running this from a non-root prompt?
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11:33<GodFather>you mean not in the root folder?
11:33<djc>try running some normal app from the
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11:33<djc>is your prompt $ or # ?
11:33<djc>it doesnt matter what the curent duirectory is
11:33<natanael>but i cant use them after this, syslog says "hcid[3704]: link_key_request (sba=00:0A:0B:0:83:16:66:BF, dba=00:AA:BB:CC:DD:EE)"
11:34<GodFather>what's the difference?
11:34<djc>and btw, its called a directory, not a 'folder'
11:34<GodFather>(sorry im really new) >_<
11:34<djc>if your prompt is #, you've already su'ed
11:34<djc>type exit to get back to $
11:34<GodFather>yea it shows # after a directory
11:34<natanael>could it be, that kbluetooth has not enought richts to establish the connection
11:34<djc>type exit
11:34<GodFather>it closed
11:34<djc>ok.. open a terminal again
11:34<djc>are you logged into X as root? or nonroot?
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11:35<GodFather>as root
11:35<djc>are you logged into X as root? or nonroot?
11:35<djc>typer 'xwininfo'
11:35<djc>see if it works
11:35<GodFather>after logging in?
11:35<djc>btw, if you are logged in as root already, you dont need to 'sudo'
11:35<djc>you logged out?
11:35<GodFather>obviously as I typed exit
11:36<djc>the terminal closed, but did you log out of X ?
11:36<GodFather>of x?
11:36<djc>are you running a GUI?
11:36<djc>or are you on a text console?
11:36<GodFather>ks369905:~# xwininfo
11:36<GodFather>xwininfo: unable to open display ''
11:36<GodFather>usage: xwininfo [-options ...]
11:36<GodFather>I'm on a text console
11:36<GodFather>I've installed gnome tho.
11:37<djc>you cant run X applications on a text console
11:37<djc>X (GUI)
11:37<GodFather>my friend just came up with pico should that work?
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11:37<djc>if you need to edit a file
11:37<djc>what are you trying to do?
11:37<djc>having gnome installed, and having gnome running, are two different things
11:38<GodFather>I'm trying to setup nomachine
11:38<GodFather>and I have to edit the server.cfg file
11:38<djc>to do what?
11:38<djc>what is the end goal you are trying to accomplish
11:38<GodFather>to add a user as nomachine wont let me login as root
11:38<e7th04sh>gsimmons, thanks for help, i hope everything will work smooth!
11:38<djc>ive no idea what nomachine is
11:38<GodFather>my end goal is to connect from nomachine to gnome and show a virtual desktop
11:38<djc>what is its purpose?
11:39<djc>why not just login graphically to the machine directly?
11:39<djc>if you've install gnome, id almost suggest rebooting so the graphic login comes up
11:39<Cadmium02>are intel graphicx card drivers oss?
11:40<djc>then log in as root at the gdm promp, and add users as needed, then logout and back in as non root user
11:41<djc>Cadmium02, i beleive there is an Xorg server for certain intel display cards
11:41<djc>'drivers' isnt really the right term
11:42<ranix>the guys really like intel
11:42<ranix>apparently they have the most open documentation about their cards that has ever been
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11:43<ranix>it's a pretty big deal that I would actually recommend an intel chipset compared to what they were 5 years ago
11:43<ranix>that's a long stride eh?
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11:46<e7th04sh>gsimmons, it all works, thanks for be such a kind person :]
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11:51<natanael>could it be, that i need special privileges to make bluetooth connections?
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11:52<davius>thnx ppl. I managed to restore my linux.
11:52<davius>Is there a way to hide GRUB during boot and call it with a key combination whenever I require during boot?
11:53<MegafiPod>You can put 0 seconds
11:53<davius>what happens then?
11:53<MegafiPod>No grub will be shown
11:53<davius>maybe I wouldn't be able to get into GRUB...
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11:54<davius>err... I wanted to hide grub so that my dad feels the normal windows is booting up.
11:54<djc>im sure its possible
11:54<davius>i have already put windows as the default option.
11:55<davius>I just want to call GRUB while booting whenever I wanna get into linux.
11:55<davius>thnx djc. I'll check it out.
11:55<djc>note if you have legacy or grub2
11:55<djc>grub would still load, but if you dont hit a hotkey it wouldnt display anything and just boot windows
11:55<davius>that's exactly what I wanted.
11:57<djc>im sure its possible.. not sure how
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12:11<bighornram>When doing a re-install am I able to keep my /home partition and do an install around that? previous install was done on all separate partitions.
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12:11<koollman>bighornram: just make sure it's not marked for reformatting during the install process (it will ask confirmation before that)
12:12<bighornram>nice, thanks
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12:19<pawel>is there any way to transfer file via SSH? (I want to run gedit on local machine editing file on CLI SSH remote machine)
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12:19<weasel>ssh tar pipe
12:20<weasel>uucp over ssh
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12:20<weasel>cat through ssh
12:20<weasel>port forward with ssh and netcat it over a port
12:21<eldowan>I've got a usb ethernet adapter, based on pegasusII. My home lenny install, with 2.6.26 correctly sees the adapter on boot, and assignes an interface. However my lenny machine at work, with 2.6.22 and .29, sees the adapter on boot, but does not provide an interface to use it. How can I fix this?
12:22<valdyn>eldowan: just fix how you "detect" that it assigns no interface, thats probably enough
12:23<eldowan>valdyn: I detect that is assigns no interface by running ifconfig, and not seeing the usb adapter. I don't understand your suggestion
12:23<pawel>what is scp, sshfs, ssh tar pipe, rsync?
12:23<valdyn>eldowan: that needs to be "ifconfig -a"
12:23<fxiny>the ultimate thrill : mc over ssh :p
12:23<valdyn>pawel: these things have manpages
12:24<fxiny>but i prefere sshfs
12:24<eldowan>valdyn: I'll give that a shot, but shouldn't the adapter still show up even disconnected with ifconfig?
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12:25<fxiny>ahhh tar pipe is nice
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12:25<eldowan>s/disconnected/media disconnected/
12:25<valdyn>eldowan: connecting has nothing to do with it
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12:26<eldowan>valdyn: hmm. the device doesn't showup with any ifconfig, but does show up on lsusb at least.
12:26<eldowan>valdyn: thanks for the help, but I've got to run for a while. Hopefully I'll be able to dedicate some time to it later.
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12:27<cahoot>plug it in and check dmesg?
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12:28<frankenst91>how can i install Debian over LAN without Screen?
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12:28<pawel>what is backport?
12:28<frankenst91>sry for my bad englich im from Germany
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12:30<frankenst91>i need it for shool but i don't know how i can do that
12:30<Torsten_W>frankenst91: why u don't go to
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12:30<frankenst91>becous i don't know this chan
12:31<pawel>what is a backport?
12:31<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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12:34<pawel>how to save in vim??
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12:37<amosa>Hi all. Any idea why I get sporadic "Segmentation fault" from 'php -v' on a pretty fresh installation ?
12:37<valdyn>amosa: broken hardware
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12:39<koollman>amosa: not enough ram inside the vm. but more likely, broken hardware
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12:40<amosa>koollman: I can test the memory condition ... thanks
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12:42<davius>I get the following error each time I open Root Terminal: "An error occured while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-terminal. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly."
12:42<davius>what might be wrong?
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12:45<amosa>ok; not mem, so hardware .... can test that on another vps I suppose ....
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12:50<amosa>same on separate system; I don't confirm mem or hardware; sorry
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13:06<seanius>amosa: #513204 and friends
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13:08<amosa>seanius: yes! I've just gone through my extensions/modules in conf.d and isolated my trouble to be with php5-mysql
13:08<ga_bash>amosa would you like to eat samosa?
13:09<amosa>thanks for the confirmation
13:09<ga_bash>hey amosa you running a web server?
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13:13<pawel>is there anything to access remote SSH computer's internet connection on local computer (ssh comp is only text-mode, but I need to open a webpage as this computer)
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13:16<squelos>hi all
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13:17<pawel>is there anything to access remote SSH computer's internet connection on local computer (I need to access a webpage ad CLI remote comp.))
13:18<adama>pawel: you can use ssh + lynx, or wget, or create a tunnel for the request, or use X forwarding
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13:19<adama>simplest is lynx
13:19<adama>user@thisbox:~# ssh otherbox user@otherbox:~# lynx webpage
13:19<adama>If I understand your request correctly
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13:21<engywuck>i have a problem with installing wine
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13:22<dpkg>a good i mean rocking web browser!, or the ultimate solution to banner ads, or to stop a transfer, hit Ctrl-G, or a piece of shit. links ownz it
13:22<engywuck>I have debian stable, upgraded from oldstable
13:23<engywuck>in my sources.lst there's essentially just standard debian repos plus debian-multimedia
13:23<engywuck>when I try to install wine it says it needs libldap2, but that's nowhere to be found....
13:24<engywuck>any ideas?
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13:26<squelos>is cedega free ?
13:26<pawel>adama: I mean: I have computer with GNOME and Firefox, and a little box ithout screen nor display - only SSH & telnet. My router requires to set DMZ with this computer which it is setted for. I want to open my router web control panel on my GUI computer, but as SSH box's MAS & IP
13:26<engywuck>!dpkg tell squelos about cedega
13:27<engywuck>"proprietary fork"
13:27<fxiny>engywuck: my libldap2 is from etch , i'm using an old wine version on hold
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13:28<engywuck>I should have holded it, too
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13:28<adama>pawel: lynx should work
13:29<adama>the DMZ box has Debian correct?
13:29<pawel>yes. Etch
13:29<fxiny>engywuck: libladp2 2.1.30-13.3
13:29<pawel>On which computer install lynx?
13:30<engywuck>where to get that, fxiny ?
13:30<pawel>remote or local?
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13:30<fxiny>engywuck: ?
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13:31<adama>pawel: on the DMZ box
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13:32<pawel>ok I ll install it after
13:32*pawel does aptitude update
13:32*pawel will be back after 20min
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13:34<engywuck>hmmm, yes i think i could install maually
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13:35<squelos>so cedega isnt free ?
13:35<bruce89>squelos: nope
13:36<adama>squelos: why are you asking here? Don't you have Google?
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13:36<squelos>im trying on google, but i cant find anything convincing.
13:36<squelos>And im not english either.
13:37<bruce89>heh, I'm Scottish mind you
13:37<squelos>so cedega is specialized in emulation the win API, and specificaly, the direct X stuff ?
13:38<fxiny>how is kfreebsd sid kernel ?
13:38<fxiny>too early ?
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13:39<savino>buona sera
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13:39<fxiny>try try
13:40<fxiny>i'm waiting
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13:40<squelos>i got a .deb file, what can i do with it ? Run it from a terminal ?
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13:41<squelos>or just extract it ?
13:41<fxiny>what exactly are you doing ?
13:41<squelos>trying to install cedega
13:42<adama>squelos: dpkg -i blah.deb
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13:42<squelos>didnt work adama
13:42<bruce89>su first
13:42<squelos>im new to linux, i think its obvious
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13:44<Quaker088>i'v got one question. how to block all conectons from given IP using iptables?
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13:46<Azhrarn>Quaker088: That's a really basic iptables rule, you may want to check out some of the FAQs/HOWTOs here -
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13:46<Azhrarn>also, look into something like Shorewall, which takes iptables rules to a bit of a higher level
13:47<Azhrarn>( )
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13:47<Quaker088>oki, thnx
13:47<Azhrarn>sure thing, good luck
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13:52<pawel>what's it:
13:52<pawel>W: GPG error: lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
13:52<Washi>you need a key
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13:52<Washi>to use the backports
13:52<Washi>doesn't the site offer instructions?
13:52<pawel>how to get this key?
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13:53<Washi>wait a sec
13:53<pawel>I don't know, I got this line os sources.list from forum.
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13:53<engywuck>!dpkg apt-key EA8E8B21
13:53<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys EA8E8B21 ; gpg --export EA8E8B21 | sudo apt-key add -
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13:54<Washi>or wget -O - | apt-key add -
13:54<Washi>in terminal
13:55<pawel>does ; work or replace it with && ?
13:56<Washi>it doesn't matter which you chose
13:56*pawel is doing key stuff :)
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13:58<engywuck>you have a key job?
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13:59<pawel>sudo command not found ??!
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13:59<pawel>can I do #apt-key add -
13:59<magyar_>hi, amyone using openldap with lenny? I have a question with regards to /usr/share/slapd/slapd.conf
14:00<pawel>engywuck: gpg --keyserver --recv-keys EA8E8B21 ; gpg --export EA8E8B21 | sudo apt-key add -
14:00<magyar_>is that file does anything?
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14:04<squelos>does someone have a link to configure my SID AMD64 to be able to read and write on a NTFS part ?
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14:05<Cadmium02>I would like to use openoffice 3 in Lenny, is this possible without using squeeze?
14:05<engywuck>unse ntfs-3g
14:05<cahoot>squelos: already digested /msg dpkg ntfsrw?
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14:06<sunoano>do we have ossec packaged already? hints it was at least up for consideration
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14:08<stuckey>What's this I hear about Debian getting FreeBSD Kernel Support?
14:08<dpkg>it has been said that freebsd is NOT better than debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. there exists debian gnu/kfreebsd, see #gnu-kbsd, or see
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14:09<fxiny>stuckey: /.
14:09<fxiny>slash dot links to the announcement
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14:10<Cadmium02>do I have to wait for openoffice 3 in debian lenny repos or could I install it?
14:10<stuckey>Cadmium02: you should just wait
14:10<stuckey>But you don't have to.
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14:12<marga>Hi! I'm trying to rearrange a pdf into a smaller pagesize, but I don't want to _scale_ the doc, I want to re-arrange the text so that it fits the size with the font-size I want. Is this possible? If so, can anybody point me to something to do this?
14:12<Cadmium02>bruce89, so I just download a deb package from backports? or do it from apt-get by editing sources?
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14:13<bruce89>Cadmium02: there's probably a fancy priority way or something, I'm not sure
14:13<marga>Cadmium02: edit sources, add backports, then apt-get it
14:13<Cadmium02>what's a standard way of installng packages from backports?
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14:14<pawel>in what these things differ:
14:14<pawel> linux-image-2.6.26-1-orion5x 2.6.26-13lenny2
14:14<pawel> linux-image-2.6.26-1-ixp4xx 2.6.26-13lenny2
14:14<pawel> linux-image-2.6.26-1-iop32x 2.6.26-13lenny2
14:14<pawel> linux-image-2.6.26-1-footbridge 2.6.26-13lenny2
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14:15<pawel>did I miss sth?
14:15<marga>pawel: please do not paste like that on this channel.
14:15<marga>pawel: you pasted some kernel images, that differ in their architecture.
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14:16<pawel>I want to update linux to 2.6 and apt-get writes something about virtual packages.
14:17<pawel>I've got now: 2.4.27-star
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14:17<pawel>what should I install
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14:19<pawel>and what is -star?
14:19<pawel>there is not any -star image,
14:19<pawel>where to get it?
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14:20<marga>pawel: what kind of machine are you trying to install it on?
14:20<marga>also, check with uname -a, what kernel you are currently running.
14:23<Lethias>I am trying to get my lenny box to use my to monitors I have plugged into it at the moment. I've tried googling setting up xrandr for my system but most of the info is for Nvidia, I have a Radeon 9550, anyone have any good information how to do it with this card?
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14:24<ranix>Lethias: all the guides out there say ATI can do one of two things: two monitors that you cannot drag windows across that act as separate displays, or one continuous monitor with one display stretched across both (things like windows maximize across both and taskbars stretch across both)
14:24<ranix>Lethias: this is a lie, I was able to configure my fglrx drivers with a 9550 for two monitors after several long, obnoxious hours of nerd rage and about six cups of coffee
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14:25<ranix>Lethias: good luck, you will eventually succeed, but it will piss you off thoroughly and unfortunately nobody can help you do it
14:25<Lethias>ranix: so I can do an extended desktop on it.
14:25<ranix>you can do true twinview
14:25<ranix>I can pastebin you my xorg.conf if you like
14:25<ranix>there is probably some nonsense in it
14:26<Lethias>That would be a tremendous help.
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14:28<Lethias>thanks ranix, i've been fighting with it all morning, everytime i mess with xorg though, it kept either making a wierd screen size or crash xorg. lol
14:28<ranix>yeah no problem
14:28<ranix>I hate closed drivers
14:28<ranix>oh, remember one thing
14:28<ranix>with the fglrx drivers, don't hotplug DVI monitors
14:28<ranix>trust me, just don't
14:28<Lethias>ranix: k
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14:29<Lethias>well now to start in on this again and to start brewing up some coffee.
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14:35<pawel>marga: I am trying to install it on hacked NAS, ARM architecture, uname -a: Linux NAS 2.4.27-star #1759 Wed Aug 15 03:31:19 PDT 2007 armv4l GNU/Linux
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14:36<marga>pawel: ok then, you need a -star kernel.
14:37<adama>pawel: why are you trying to upgrade your kernel?
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14:38<pawel>adama: because glibc depends it.
14:38<r907>hi need some help with runnig debian 5.0 on my laptop anybody ???
14:39<pawel>and what about
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14:39<pawel>I need star kerlel image
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14:39<pawel>where to get it?
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14:39<Gun_Smoke>r907, the way it works is you post withs wrong and if someone knows they will help.. No one is rented here.
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14:40<adama>pawel: you need new libc6 for lynx?
14:40<VDZ>Ugh...I'm kind of having a lot of trouble getting Flash to work on Knoppix here
14:40<VDZ>To install flash I need to first install packages X and Y, for which I need to install packages A, B and C, etc
14:40<pawel>and fot etch->lenny upgrade.
14:41<pawel>where to get it?
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14:41<VDZ>...and one of them refuses to install, because it would replace an earlier version (wait, what?)
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14:41<adama>pawel: you will have a hard time upgrading from etch to lenny on your hacked NAS, I think. You will have to consult with the people who made the firmware
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14:42<pawel>can't I just replace old kernel with new one?
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14:43<r907>OK problem is this i can't boot debian and other distro like ubuntu ... there is a msg .. 1.321178 Marking TSC unstable due to: TSC halts idle ;];]
14:43<adama>pawel: what is the model of your NAS?
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14:46<VDZ> there any easier way to install Flash other than to install all of these packages one by one?
14:46<enouf>VDZ: if your distro of choice is Knoppix, you're in the wrong cheannel
14:47<ranix>enouf: what if my distro of choice is Knoppix, but I need help with Debian
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14:47<enouf>ranix: let me know when that happens, and then we'll discuss it :-P
14:47<VDZ>Damn, then why is this the default channel for the IRC client? :\
14:48<ranix>aah that's why we get knoppix guys here
14:48<VDZ>I'm totally new to Linux...
14:48<adama>pawel: well try apt-cache search linux 2.6 on the nas
14:48<ranix>I should file a bug report
14:48<ranix>thanks for the info VDZ
14:48<r907>OK problem is this i can't boot debian and other distro like ubuntu ... there is a msg .. 1.321178 Marking TSC unstable due to: TSC halts idle ;];] anybody ??
14:48<ranix>what irc client are you using?
14:48<ranix>VDZ: welcome to linux, you are already having a positive effect
14:48<VDZ>Ehehe ^_^"
14:48<ranix>VDZ: try #knoppix on
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14:48<VDZ>Okay, thanks
14:49<ranix>VDZ: or, better yet, get a debian net install from
14:49<ranix>I recommend it
14:49<enouf>r907: have you googled the error? TSC == time stamp counter
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14:49<pawel>adama: there's alot of stuff
14:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:49<adama>pawel: you want to install something like linux-image-2.6-star
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14:50<adama>is that available in the apt-cache output?
14:50<r907>enouf: yeah with ubuntu 8.10 bcoz its same problem soultion is not good bcoz wifi dont work and other when boot is good ;]
14:50<pawel>I'll search for it
14:50<VDZ>Only 11 people in #knoppix@freenode
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14:51<ranix>knoppix has terrible documentation and bugtracking
14:51<pawel>btw. apt-cache output:
14:51<ranix>I can't even find where to submit a bug report
14:51<VDZ>Might just try #linux@rizon instead then
14:51<VDZ>At least, I think it was Rizon
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14:51<pawel>adama: there isnt even any star :(
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14:53<pawel>then what to do?
14:53<adama>pawel: when you do "apt-get install lynx" , it won't work?
14:53<pawel>tan't I update Debian?
14:53<pawel>there is glibc update
14:53<adama>I would recommend to contact EMPREX and ask if it can be done
14:54<adama>pawel: can you paste the output of "apt-get install lynx" please?
14:54<pawel>you think they are helping in hacking their devices :P
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14:55<pawel>there is alot of Get: 's and semi-graphical windows, bua important part is here
14:55<adama>sure, he is the one that provided debian-etch-base.tar.bz2
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14:57<pawel>I don't think this blog is official.
14:57<pawel>do you think so?
14:57<adama>pawel: I want to know the "the following packages will be installed... etc" part
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14:58<adama>what do you mean, official?
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14:58<pawel>made by EMPREX, not by hacker
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14:59<pawel>'apt >> file' or 'apt | tee file' ?
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15:00<pawel>I cant scroll screen.
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15:00<pawel>which command is better?
15:00<adama>they're the same, but tee will put it onto the screen as well as the file
15:00<adama>whichever you want
15:01*pawel is doing it.
15:01<adama>or less if it is available
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15:01<pawel>it is not
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15:02<adama>does apt-get install less work?
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15:02<pawel>the same message as lynx
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15:04<adama>you are going to need to install those things witout upgrading libc6
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15:04<adama>Ben90: hi, do you have a question?
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15:05<Ben90>yes i do
15:05<Ben90>im having a problem with WINE
15:05<Ben90>the sound is not working
15:05<pawel>adama: I cant
15:05<pawel>I will paste output of apt
15:05<Ben90>can someone help me?
15:06<adama>Ben90: have you poked around in the Sound tab in winecfg?
15:06<Ben90>yes and when i click test sound it says Audio test failed!
15:07<Ben90>hello ?
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15:08<pawel>adama: what I've got to do for this to work/
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15:09<Ben90>!beer adama
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15:10<adama>Ben90: I don't know... make sure libwine-alsa is installed, make sure alsa sound works outside of wine, etc
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15:11<pawel>adama: what I've got to do for this to work?
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15:12<adama>pawel: I think you will have to talk to Emprex, the person who made Debian work on that hardware. We cannot support it here, since the standard upgrade precedures won't work
15:12<pawel>ok thanks for help.
15:12<pawel>!beer adama
15:12*dpkg pulls out a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for adama
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15:13<Ben90>it says it is already installed
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15:14<Ben90>can anyone help me fix WINE Please?
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15:15<Ben90>never mind
15:16<Ben90>its working now
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15:19<pawel>ok I ll leave a coment on nsd 100 blog.
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15:21<Lethias>ranix: well i have it working somewhat lol
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15:22<ranix>Lethias: glad to hear it
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15:22<Lethias>lol i have an extended desktop. 2048x768
15:23<ranix>it's possible to get real twinview
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15:23<ranix>don't recall how I did it
15:23<ranix>maybe XFCE4 just knows how to treat extended desktops as if they were twinview
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15:23<Lethias>might be I think i read that too.
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15:24<ranix>my WM of preference is xfce4 with the dock on the left monitor, bottom center, and the taskbar on the right monitor, top span
15:25<Lethias>i like xfce4 but at the moment i'm more accustomed to gnome.
15:25<ranix>I use terminals for everything so I dislike gnome
15:25<ReyCharles>I need help installing debian with floppies
15:25<Lethias>I have been playing with xfce4 a bit.
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15:26<Lethias>ranix: yea i understand that.
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15:26<pawel>see you
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15:26<ranix>if it's not a terminal, it's a super+r (bound to xfce's "run program" dialog)
15:26<ranix>although all I ever super+r are quicksynergy and kwrite
15:26<kop>ReyCharles : and...
15:26<ranix>aside from that I click the little world icon for iceweasel
15:27<ranix>and the little terminal icon for a terminal
15:27<ranix>and that's about it
15:27<Lethias>less is more
15:27<ranix>we don't need no fancy pants menus
15:27<ReyCharles>kop: I don't know what files i need. I've read the guide several times and I still can't figure out what i should do
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15:28<Lethias>I do like Avant Window Navigator. I've been messing with it in gnome.
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15:28<kop>ReyCharles : You have a network connection you can use to complete the install?
15:28<ReyCharles>kop: yes
15:28<ranix>Lethias: I'll take a peek
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15:28<ranix>Lethias: have you seen Synergy2?
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15:29<Lethias>ranix: na, i've used synergy for switchin over to my xp box now and again.
15:29<ranix>yeah that's the one
15:29<Lethias>it very helpful.
15:29<kop>ReyCharles : I'm not seeing floppies listed in the install manual any longer....
15:29<ranix>I use it all the time, use the console from a linux machine to move over to my xp laptop at work
15:30<ReyCharles>kop: does that mean I can't get debian??
15:30<Lethias>ha ha that is great.
15:30<ranix>and vice-versa at home, where I do all my useful things on Linux but have an overpowered xp machine for pirating... uh I mean, playing video games
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15:30<Lethias>lol there ya go
15:30<kop>ReyCharles : Nooooo.... Maybe not. Why floppies? Can you boot off of usb?
15:31<ReyCharles>No, I can't boot with usb. And my CD-drive is broken
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15:31<Lethias>ranix: by the way, this was some help to me as well for setting up my monitors.
15:31<kop>ReyCharles : Used cd drives are cheap enough that it's probably worth your time to buy one. But... Lemme look.
15:32<ranix>ReyCharles: you CAN install off a floppy!
15:32<VTommy>hey guys
15:32<ReyCharles>kop: it's a laptop, so i think it's difficult to get another cddrive
15:32<VTommy>anyone can help postfix relay to isp with authentication?
15:32<ReyCharles>ranix: REALLY? how?
15:33<ranix>ReyCharles: You'll need two or 3 floppies; the installer, base system, and net drivers
15:33<kop>ranix : For Lenny?
15:33<ranix>ReyCharles: the Lenny kernel is too large to fit on a floppy; you'll have to install Etch and dist-upgrade
15:33<ranix>ReyCharles: looking for a howto now
15:33<ranix>or floppy images
15:34<kop>ReyCharles : I think there's a better choice that will let you install straight from Windows. You can boot into Windows, right?
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15:34<ranix>ReyCharles: have you installed Debian before?
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15:34<ReyCharles>kop: yes, im currently running windows xp
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15:35<ReyCharles>ranix: no. Well, i tried and old debian dist before, but no one was hosting the files i needed to complete the install so i never finished
15:36<ranix>ReyCharles: do you want to dual-boot or anything complicated?
15:36<ReyCharles>No, no dual-boot
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15:36<ranix>kop: I think a floppy install is the simplest and most straightforward. Do you want to send him to like or something?
15:37<ReyCharles>i have had a look on
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15:37<ReyCharles>but it didnt seem to support windows xp, as far as i could figure out
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15:38<kop>ranix: I was thinking along those lines.
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15:38<giuseppe>was ist das?
15:38<kop>ranix: But there's also ways to install Linux as a windows screensaver, and run the installer from there.
15:38<ranix>that's fucked up
15:39<giuseppe>Auf wiedersehen
15:39<ReyCharles>goodbye, giuseppe
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15:39<VTommy>anyone can help, postfix relay to isp with authentication?
15:40<ranix> does not appear to have etch repos
15:40<weasel>not yet.
15:40<weasel>it's still on the regular mirrors.
15:40<kop>ReyCharles : I'd think that would work on xp. I don't see why not.
15:41<ranix>weasel: damned if I can find them, do you know where I can browse an etch repo?
15:41<ranix>whoops nevermind
15:41<ReyCharles>kop: it says something like it needs real DOS or something
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15:41<weasel> or any of its thousand mirrors?
15:41<ranix>cat /etc/apt/sources.list
15:41<ReyCharles>i forgot what it was
15:41<ranix>sorry weasel, brain fart
15:42<ranix>ReyCharles: for floppy install, check
15:42<ReyCharles>"owever, Windows Me has no DOS Real Mode support, and is unsupported."
15:43<ranix>ReyCharles: you probably want boot.img, root.img, and both net-drivers
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15:43<ranix>ReyCharles: boot boot.img and follow the instructions. When you're done, ask me for assistance or set sources.list to point to Lenny and dist-upgrade
15:43<kop>ranix : Better talk him through making the floppy too.
15:43<ReyCharles>as far as i know, xp does not have DOS at all
15:44<ranix>ReyCharles: don't forget to verify the contents of the disks after creating them
15:44<kop>ranix : Is rawrite still the tool to use to make floppys?
15:44<ReyCharles>I know how to make the floppies
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15:45<ranix>good, because I don't know how without a linux system already in place
15:45<ranix>in fact, I haven't done an install without debootstrap since 2006
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15:45<kop>ReyCharles : Better off installing as little of etch as possible, just a command line, and upgrade from there. Faster and easier.
15:46<ReyCharles>kop: ok
15:46<ranix>yeah, ReyCharles, when prompted for what packages you want to install, select none
15:46<ranix>then dist-upgrade and use apt-get (or apt-get to fetch aptitude) and get what you like to have
15:46<ReyCharles>I am going to eat now. I will be back later and ask for help. Thanks for the help so far :)
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16:30<shze|laptop>if I compile againt, why do I get error while loading shared libraries:
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16:30<shze|laptop>why can't it use the .so instead of the .so.16 to run the program?
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16:32<shze|laptop>any ideas?
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16:33<shze|laptop>is there a better place to ask?
16:35<simonrvn>shze|laptop: runtime and build-time libs/headers should match otherwise you get errors.
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16:37<shze|laptop>simonrvn: true, but what I am doing wrong?
16:38<simonrvn>i don't know, i don't know what's going on.
16:38<simonrvn>you just told us a one-liner with no background....
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16:39<shze|laptop>hmm, thanks. I hope it helps
16:40<d3co>how update only 1 program !
16:40<enouf>apt-get -u
16:40<enouf>do /msg dpkg reference
16:40<simonrvn>shze|laptop: O_o
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16:55<shze|laptop>if compiled mysql with includes at extern/noarch/mysql/5.1.31/include/ and lib at extern/Linux2/i686/mysql/5.1.31/lib/
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16:55<shze|laptop>linking works fine
16:55<simonrvn>you sure you're even in the right channel?
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16:57<shze|laptop>simonrvn: I think so, but I'm open to suggestions. it just does not run on debian while running on red hat.
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16:57<simonrvn>i thought that was some rh variant. the "/noarch/" gave it away.
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16:58<simonrvn>Guest249: /server /join #knoppix
16:58<shze|laptop>simonrvn: what do you mean? I somehow need to split my includes off if I want to compile for multiple archs
16:59<simonrvn>shze|laptop: eh?
16:59<simonrvn>!wayttd shze|laptop
16:59<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, shze|laptop?
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16:59<shze|laptop>I am trying to run my executable, but it misses, as I said before
17:00<simonrvn>so install it
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17:00<shze|laptop>I have a, but it is not used
17:00<shze|laptop>so if I create a link -> is runs, but why do I need that?
17:01<simonrvn>i doubt that it's not used. because that's what it's looking for.
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17:01<simonrvn>i suggest installing the right package however.
17:01<shze|laptop>ldd gives me => not found
17:02<simonrvn>for fun, for your education, run ldconfig -v
17:02<simonrvn>and do aptitude install libmysqlclient16
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17:03<shze|laptop>yeah, I can do that on my laptop, but the executable also need to run on other systems where I don't have root access
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17:04<simonrvn>you could try re-linking it, or not using it ;p. better yet, get one that supports those machines...
17:05<shze|laptop>not using is not an option. I compiled mysqlclient on my system, how do I re-link?
17:05<shze|laptop>remove executable and make?
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17:07<shze|laptop>I have installed -> (output of ldconfig -v), it that what's causing problems?
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17:08<shze|laptop>my LD_LIBRARY_PATH was empty, I set it, but does it still use the system defaults?
17:08<d3co>purge and install :p
17:08<shze|laptop>d3co: purge and install what?
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17:09<simonrvn>you're doing odd things to your box, which is doubtful is even debian, and you give us no info. i'm stopping now.
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17:10<shze|laptop>simonrvn: which info do you need?
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17:11<shze|laptop>I said what I want to do, what I did so far, and what my problem is. what else do you want?
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17:11<kernel>hi,i've build an environment chroot,when i try login give me this error and blocked ssh PTY allocation request failed on channel 0
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17:14<d3co>shze|laptop, try with libmysqlclient15off
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17:16<shze|laptop>d3co: I have libmysqlclient15off 5.0.51a-24 installed in my system. what should I try with it?
17:18<d3co>reinstall it
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17:18<shze|laptop>d3co: what should that do? I am just trying to understand..
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17:20<shze|laptop>maybe I should tell the story from the beginning.. I am trying to compile a project which should get compiled on multiple archs/systems
17:20<shze|laptop>thats why include and lib are inside the project tree
17:20<shze|laptop>if I now try to compile and link againt libmysqlclient (5.1.31, which is in the tree) it works
17:21<shze|laptop>but running the executable does not
17:21<shze|laptop>it misses, and I only have inside the project tree
17:22<shze|laptop>to make it link I had to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the actual location inside the project tree
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17:23<shze|laptop>now, do I have to do something like that to make the executable use the correct lib from inside the project tree?
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17:24<shze|laptop>why does it want and not and why does it work on a different linux?
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17:32<d3co>check here : /usr/lib/
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17:36<shze|laptop>I have /usr/lib/ and /usr/lib/
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17:37<shze|laptop>what should check with it?
17:37<shze|laptop>d3co ^^
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17:37<d3co>should be work!!
17:38<d3co>install mysql-client!
17:38<d3co>and try again!
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17:38<shze|laptop>I have it installed, for other reasons, but I want to used the version inside the project tree instead
17:41<hmn>shze|laptop, maybe you shouldn't try to bundle all the libraries. there probably isn't a way to do that across all architectures/systems. maybe you should just document which libraries are needed to make it work, or write a shell script to install them using different systems' native packaging tools
17:42<hmn>(just an idea)
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17:43<rjent>if I want to mount a device for an account named my_user what mount param do I use? uid=my_user ?
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17:45<d3co>maybe redhat --> debian
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17:49<shze|laptop>hmn: yeah, I'd like to do that, but it's not so easy to convince multiple people
17:51<hmn>shze|laptop, ok... documenting the problem's out the window then, what about the shell script?
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17:52<shze|laptop>hmn: shell script to do what?
17:52<hmn><hmn> ... write a shell script to install them using different systems' native packaging tools
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17:54<shze|laptop>hmn: didn't see that, sry. good idea, but unsure if it would work on non-free os
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17:55<hmn>shze|laptop, oh, i see. what about bundling perl or python to do the job?
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17:56<shze|laptop>hmn: possible I guess, but I haven't look into that.
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17:58<hmn>shze|laptop, ok. you could also write two (or more) shell scripts, for different shells... (batch scripts for Windows)
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17:59<shze|laptop>hmn: sounds like work, but I like the idea. I'll have to read about it. thanks!
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18:00<hmn>yeah, it would be work... sorry i don't have a better idea. you're welcome anyway :)
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18:03<hmn>oh wait.. yeah, i forgot something..
18:03<hmn>windows doesn't have a packaging tool at all...
18:03<hmn>except for removal
18:04<hmn>and i doubt that could be automated from a batch script
18:04<hmn>though maybe it could
18:04<shze|laptop>yeah, I know. maybe I need to simplify it to just check if it's there and if not install
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18:05<hmn>yeah, that might work. basically have to reinvent a packaging tool, but yeah.
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18:08<hmn>maybe you could save yourself or other people future problems by designing a packaging tool for windows
18:08<shze|laptop>I think that goes too far
18:08<hmn>(half joking)
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18:09<hmn>yeah, I agree
18:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:09<shze|laptop>but maybe we should suggest to ms ;)
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18:10<kristianpaul>dpkg, avr32
18:10<dpkg>kristianpaul: I give up, what is it?
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18:11<hmn>well, a totally automated install would be almost as difficult as writing a packaging tool.. it would have to know where to download from, do the download, run the install process ... but complaining to the user that something isn't installed and pointing them to where they might get it and how to install would be far easier
18:15<hmn>anyway, i really don't know how hard it will be. some installs are trivial
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18:17<hmn>so good luck, hope it's relatively easy (i'm not naive enough to think something as complex as MySQL will be trivial to install on Windows)
18:17<azeem>can you please return to the topic now
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18:18<hmn>azeem, yes, sorry. i'll shut up till i see something about debian
18:18<felipe>felipe malandro
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18:27<Steven_M>hi all
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18:28<hmn>hi Steven_M
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18:29<Steven_M>I just read this security advisary but there's no updates showing in aptitude
18:29<Steven_M>hi hmn
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18:31<Steven_M>any idea why?
18:31<weasel>Steven_M: apt-get update
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18:31<weasel>Steven_M: apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8
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18:32<skilz>hi, how do I run a .run file?
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18:32<skilz>wolfenstein et
18:32<hmn>Steven_M, did you try pressing u (update) in aptitude?
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18:33<Steven_M>hmn: yes
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18:34<Steven_M>weasel: waht does the apt-cahe policy do?
18:34<weasel>Steven_M: tell me something I want to know.
18:34<weasel>paste its output somewhere
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18:35<Steven_M>weasel: ok standby
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18:37<skilz>also im having trouble geting Avant to start
18:37<skilz>when I run it nothing happens, I see a quick flash then nothing
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18:45<weasel>Steven_M: and just "apt-cache policy"?
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18:59<bruce89>I'd rather the cloud didn't rain
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19:03<Steven_M>weasel: sorry it took a while
19:04<weasel>Steven_M: when did you last run apt-get update?
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19:06<Steven_M>weasel: I've run aptitdue quite a few times within the last few minutes, I'll do it again now.
19:06<weasel>Steven_M: *update*?
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19:07<Steven_M>weasel: yeah sorry typo: aptitude update
19:07<weasel>Steven_M: interesting.
19:07<weasel>is your apt stuff using a proxy?
19:08<weasel>what does resolve to, for you?
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19:09<Steven_M>weasel: what command should I run to get the ip? ping?
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19:10<Eh>can someone help me please
19:10<Eh>i set a root password (very long) and now it won't let me in
19:10<weasel>Steven_M: ping works. host or dig also
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19:10<abrotman>!tell Eh about ifrp
19:14<skilz>hi, how do I run a .run file?
19:14<skilz>also im having trouble geting Avant to start
19:14<skilz>when I run it nothing happens, I see a quick flash then nothing
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19:16<weasel>Steven_M: that looks right enough
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19:16<weasel>Steven_M: paste the output of 'apt-get update && apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8' again.
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19:17<Steven_M>weasel: would deleting the cache help?
19:17<weasel>which cache?
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19:18<Steven_M>weasel: apt's cache?
19:18<weasel>it shouldn't.
19:18<weasel>anyway, please hurry up, I want to sleep.
19:18<Steven_M>ok, sorry
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19:19<abrotman>skilz: strace it
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19:23<weasel>you didn't do as I asked.
19:24<angasule>hmm, I'm switching computers soon, and I want to move this installation of debian to the new computers, but I can only do it through DVDs (the computers will never be in the same room or connected through the internet), any advice?
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19:25<weasel>anyway, if apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8 is still not showing the security version, then tell me a) which arch you are on, b) the output of "tcptraceroute 80"
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19:27<Steven_M>weasel: the 2nd pate is coming, I'm working as fast as I can. my arch is amd64
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19:31<hmn>skilz, i just did some reading. apparently .run files are meant to be run as a shell script.. the id software ones are made by and are self-extracting archives designed to be run that way.
19:31<Steven_M>weasel: traceroute on the way
19:31<hmn>so "sh" should do it
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19:32<weasel>Steven_M: note that I asked for a tcptraceroute.
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19:34<hmn>skilz, see makeself's homepage for more information:
19:35<hmn>there's a note there that tells you how to run old scripts that use obsolete head and tail syntax too
19:35<Viper550>Oh hello Mr. "GFDL with invariant sections is non-free"
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19:37<Viper550>are there any debian ISO mirrors? the site doesn't make them obvious
19:39<weasel>Steven_M: you are behind a proxy.
19:39<weasel>Steven_M: your network is lying to you.
19:40<Steven_M>weasel: by proxy, do you mean my broadband router?
19:40<weasel>a transparent http caching proxy
19:40<weasel>only not so transparent, as it breaks stuff for you.
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19:42<Steven_M>weasel: would the proxy be at my isp? I don't have one at home.
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19:43<weasel>if you're lucky your ISP's proxy will give you a current security page some time soon
19:43<weasel>say within a day
19:43<Viper550>that site...needs a more clear layout
19:44<Steven_M>weasel: buuger, so the only solution is to change isps?
19:44<weasel>you can also try using a different hostname for security
19:44<weasel>like - then the proxy will not know it's the same thing and will re-download it
19:44<weasel>but that's just a hack
19:44<weasel>complain to your ISP
19:45<weasel>anyway, I'm gone
19:45<Steven_M>ok thanks :) weasel
19:47<Viper550>oh cool a boot menu with actual options :3
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20:07<Silicium01>I have 2 computers on LAN. I started transfering a large file (1.5 gb). Can someone explain to me why scp showed 600 KB/s speed when transfer started but it declined to 300 KB/s now?
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20:20<Viper550>is there any IRC channel dealing with the website?
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20:22<dkr>you mean
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20:32<bl4ckc00k1e>somebody knows how can i use virtualbox like wine?
20:32<Viper550>define "like Wine"
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20:34<bl4ckc00k1e>open an .exe in a windows likes windows systems, i dont wana virtualizate the ssytem and open there the program...
20:34<bl4ckc00k1e>you undertand me Viper550
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20:34<bl4ckc00k1e>did you*
20:34<Viper550>no afaik you can't do that
20:35<bl4ckc00k1e>and with vmware?
20:35<bl4ckc00k1e>can i?
20:35<@Ganneff>they are entirely different concepts
20:35<bl4ckc00k1e>i say that
20:35<bl4ckc00k1e>because this week i see that in a suse system
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20:36<bl4ckc00k1e>the guy tell that was vmware
20:36<bl4ckc00k1e>and that open the programs like wine!
20:36<bl4ckc00k1e>and this font have problems with libraries like wine
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20:40<Viper550>where's the x configuration?
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20:53<luca635>It seems there is an issue in latest debiankeyring package 20090404
20:54<luca635>I have this error message: badsig 07dc563d1f41b907
20:55<luca635>when downgrading to the version of 20090118 (and doing 'u' under aptitude), I do not have it any more
20:55<luca635>could anyone confirm?
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21:00<skilz>im having trouble geting Avant to start
21:00<skilz>when I run it nothing happens, I see a quick flash then nothing
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21:02<kop>skilz : Run it manually in a terminal window.
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21:04<skilz>please see errors
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21:08<snogglethorpe>any pointers to where the keyboard mapping in console mode is set...? I've got the funny situation at home where my keyboard is kinda vaguely correct in X, but all screwed up in the linux console (it clearly _thinks_ I'm using a japanese keyboard, although I'm not)...
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21:08<reval>I'm trying to troubleshoot an app thats throwing crazy errors, is there an easy way to downgrade your GCC to an earlier version?
21:08<snogglethorpe>[it's a USB keyboard fwiw...]
21:09<snogglethorpe>reval: kinda depends on which version... debian usually includes a fair number of gcc versions...
21:09<reval>snogglethorpe I just want to go 1 back or so
21:09<reval>snogglethorpe how would I do that?
21:09<snogglethorpe>reval: well what version are you using now?
21:10<snogglethorpe>reval: there are "gcc-X.Y" packages for various versions
21:10<skilz>someone help me please
21:10<reval>snogglethorpe 4.3.2-2
21:10<skilz>whats the command to run a .run file?
21:10<skilz>just chmod +x the
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21:11<skilz>then ./ ?
21:11<snogglethorpe>reval: there seems to be a "gcc-4.2" package; why not try installing that?
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21:11<reval>snogglethorpe I always thought repos just had the latest versions, thanks =)
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21:12<snogglethorpe>reval: just isntalling that probably won't cause the default gcc command to be _replaced_, both compilers will simply be there simultaneously; you can specify which version to run in various ways
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21:13<snogglethorpe>reval: e.g., if the package uses configure, you can usually run configure like "./configure CC=gcc-4.2" etc.
21:13<snogglethorpe>(or make with "make CC=gcc-4.2"
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21:15<markrian>I'm having some trouble with aptitude...
21:15<bighornram>I've had to reinstall my machine, saving /home so all config files are there. I reinstalled my wireless driver and wpa supplicant but still have no access to wireless. what might I be missing?
21:15<reval>snogglethorpe by the looks of things I'm gonna have to compile wine from scratch heh =( but this helps a lot, thanks
21:15<markrian>I want strictly lenny packages on my system, nothing newer, nothing older
21:15<markrian>But I get this:
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21:16<snogglethorpe>I've got problems with QT font-rendering; which is the best package to report the bug against?
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21:17<abrotman>markrian: paste all the output
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21:18<markrian>So, what's the deal with the "45 not upgraded", even though I issued a full-upgrade?
21:18<markrian>How can I find out what these packages are?
21:18<abrotman>markrian: you have something pinned?
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21:18<abrotman>paste the output of `apt-cache policy`
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21:19<markrian>abrotman: yes - admittedly I've been fiddling with it to make sure I've got strictly lenny packages
21:20<abrotman>markrian: move the preferences file aside and try
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21:22<skilz>someone please look at this and tell me hhow to fix it
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21:24<markrian>abrotman: moving preferences aside gives the result I'd expect:
21:24<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
21:24<markrian>But what were the 45 packages mentioned previously...?
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21:31<markrian>Good lord, I didn't realise pinning had such strange nuances... not the good kind, either
21:32<abrotman>it's a tricky beast
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21:36<markrian>To paraphrase a misquote of Feynmann, "If you think you understand APT pinning, you don't understand APT pinning."
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21:41<keith>Debian 5 I have dist-upgraded frpm Debiam 4 to Debian 5 which meant I was disconnected from X. Unfortunately I don't know how to connect back to X. Anyone help?
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22:12<Wilduck>Hey guys, I'm trying to change my default web browser, and after using "update-alternative --config x-www-browser" I still end up with konquerer as my default
22:12<Wilduck>do I need to restart
22:12<Wilduck>or are there additional steps I'm missing?
22:12<abrotman>in gnome?
22:12<abrotman>oh ..
22:12<abrotman>does kde have its own applet for default applications ?
22:13<Wilduck>ultimately I'm looking to get a sage notebook running
22:13<abrotman>which application is launching the browser ?
22:13<Wilduck>but I've tried other apps too
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22:13<Wilduck>with the same result
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22:13*abrotman doesn't see sage in lenny
22:14<Wilduck>sage, the mathematics software
22:14<Wilduck>I built it from source
22:14<Wilduck>there's no package
22:14<abrotman>oh .. no idea what it uses then
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22:14<Wilduck>well, it says it launches your default browser
22:14<Wilduck>and true to it's word, it launches konquerer
22:15<abrotman>so your www-browser and x-www-browser don't point at knoq ?
22:15<enouf>Wilduck: what other choices are there?
22:15<Wilduck>by x-www doesn't
22:15<Wilduck>my x-www doesn't
22:15<enouf>Wilduck: also , go into k control center and select iceweasel
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22:15<enouf>as Default Browser
22:15<abrotman>i asked if kde had a way ...
22:16<Wilduck>ummm do you know where in the k control center that would be?
22:17<Wilduck>internet & network
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22:20<Wilduck>Thanks guys
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22:34<stew>abl: please don't do that
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22:37<abl>sorry. New to KSirc.
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22:54<euzao>is there a possibility to write on NTFS on Debian?
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22:57<manphiz>with ntfs-3g, yes
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23:36<Steven_M>hi all
23:37<Steven_M>does this issue only affect browsing https web pages?:
23:37<adama>which VNC server do I want if I want the client to take over my already-running desktop (tty7) by default?
23:37<adama>tightvncserver, vnc4server or x11vnc
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23:38<adama>Steven_M: yes, https only.
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23:39<adama>"when processing a manipulated certificate"
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23:40<ghuqu>good evening all
23:40<Noobzor>just a simple question... to install debian i will have to download the "5" DVDs??
23:40<adama>Noobzor: no
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23:40<adama>DVD 1 will suffice
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23:41<skilz>can someone help me please, im having trouble with a java application, when I run it I get these errors
23:41<adama>the netinst CD will suffice, in fact, but while installing, it will download additional packages from the Internet
23:41<skilz>something about a java version, how can I install the correct one?
23:42<adama>skilz: yes you need "real" java
23:42<Noobzor>the other dvds are just mirrors or they could be downloaded to install together?
23:42<skilz>apparently I was told to install the one that comes with debian after I installed the one from the site
23:42<dpkg>it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>.
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23:42<skilz>!install java
23:42<dpkg>For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>.
23:42<adama>skilz: you want the non-free java for "sun-java" or something
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23:42<adama>yeah sun-java-6-jre.
23:43<skilz>so apt-get install sun-java-6-jre
23:43<Steven_M>adama: so this morning when I was online and couldn't get the updates, could my computer have been hacked into, or was I completely safe since I didn't veiw any https pages?
23:43<adama>Noobzor: the additional DVDs contain additional packages.
23:44<skilz>!nonfree lenny
23:44<skilz>!non free lenny
23:44<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
23:44<Noobzor>[adama]: like dev progs and etc...
23:44<skilz>how do I add non free
23:45<adama>yes, I'm not sure I've never bothered to download them
23:45<adama>skilz: /msg dpkg non-free
23:46<skilz>dpkg> are you smoking crack?, skilz
23:46<dpkg>skilz: I give up, what is it?
23:46<adama>Steven_M: you're probably fine
23:46<skilz>what the hell?
23:46<dpkg>crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt
23:46<Steven_M>adama: thanks :)
23:46<adama>skilz: the bot knows a lot of strange things... and does not know a lot of things too
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23:48<adama>how come I always come in here asking a question and then end up answering 10?
23:48<Nemoder>adama: x11vnc
23:48<skilz>I don't smoke crack, I find that quite offensive.
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23:48<adama>skilz: sometimes he will be even more offensive, and ask if you are running Windoze
23:49<adama>Nemoder: thanks!
23:49<Noobzor>[adama]: Thanks for helping
23:50<skilz>I see.
23:50<adama>this is a community distro
23:50<adama>always glad to help out
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23:51<skilz>!sat routing
23:51<adama>are you smoking crack?, skilz
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23:51<skilz>!wifi re-routing
23:52<adama>skilz: please message the bot, or ask a specific question
23:52<skilz>I want to re-route my satellite connection to my friends house
23:52<adama>over wi-fi?
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23:52<skilz>so we have a satellite link, he has a sat dish too
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23:53<skilz>so we have an active sat link network
23:53<chealer>skilz: depend on which one is the correct one
23:53<skilz>sat hack
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23:53<skilz>I communicate with satellites in orbit strangely
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23:53<adama>I'm not clear on how you intend to do this, we need an ascii diagram
23:54<shze|laptop>if I want the result of `uname -r` in a shell variable for both csh and bash, how do I do that?
23:54<keith>debian 5 lenny. How do I connect to X from a terminal prompt?
23:54<skilz>I want a secure sat connection to my friends house which is 3 streets away
23:54<skilz>like wifi connection but with satellites
23:54<skilz>to relay data
23:55<shze|laptop>skilz: you mean satellite dishes as antennas but still wifi?
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23:56<skilz>but not wifi
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23:57<shze|laptop>wifi, you just connect a different type of antenna
23:57<adama>the packets - they still should go through the satellite, correct?
23:57<shze|laptop>it does not make sense to send packets to satellites if you want to go a couple streets
23:57<skilz>I want to go to another town too
23:57<skilz>im moving soon
23:57<shze|laptop>latency goes through the roof compared to a direct connection
23:58<skilz>I want to make a direct satlink connection
23:58<skilz>you know like how the .gov have satlinks to other offices
23:58<skilz>I want to setup that kind of thing
23:58<adama>skilz: you will need to launch your own satellite.
23:58<shze|laptop>hmm, if you own a satellite ;)
23:59<skilz>I have a Comtech EF Data CDM 550 / 550T Satellite Modem / VSAT
23:59<adama>do you by chance live in N. Korea? ;)
23:59<skilz>why adama?
23:59<shze|laptop>haha :D
23:59<skilz>I need to launch an orbiting satellite for the relay link?
23:59<shze|laptop>how far do you move away?
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