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---Logopened Tue Apr 07 00:00:11 2009
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00:00<skilz>or can I 'bounce' or 'someone elses'
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00:00<skilz>Im moving 30km away from him
00:00<skilz>n. koria
00:00<skilz>to s. koria
00:01<shze|laptop>hmm, thats difficult with a direct wifi connection even with satellite dished and free line of sight
00:01<skilz>then I can google porn
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00:02<archpollux>in sid, i'm using kde with 2 separate monitors (nvidia card) and since my last dist-upgrade, all my windows maximize over all 2 screens... there seem to be no separation between the two anymore, except kde still seems to recognize them as separare (at least in control center)
00:02<adama>skilz: you will need to have an account with the satellite Internet provider to use it's signal
00:02<shze|laptop>I have no idea how you can do that. I don't know of any way you can rent/share satellite bandwith
00:02<skilz>im in .au
00:02<archpollux>anyone experiencing the same thing?
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00:02<skilz>so I need permission to use someones orbiting sat?
00:02<shze|laptop>yeah, pretty much
00:03<skilz>what if I pay this russian guy I know to use his one
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00:03<skilz>he has an orbiting satellite
00:03<adama>yur sat. modem will probably "just not work"
00:03<adama>skilz: best of luck
00:03<skilz>but it's $10000 he wants :(
00:04<skilz>my friend needs me to do this
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00:04<skilz>I need more funding
00:04<stew>skilz: you are probably in the wrong channel
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00:05<skilz>what channel should I be in?
00:05<shze|laptop>skilz: not sure if its an option, but wimax has higher range and does not need satellites
00:06<skilz>I don't want to use wifi.
00:06<skilz>it's not an option
00:06<shze|laptop>wimax != wifi
00:06<skilz>I MUST use satellites
00:06<chealer>archpollux: did you try #debian-kde ?
00:06<adama>skilz: contact your local Satellite Internet Provider
00:06<stew>skilz: perhaps #networking or #wireless on
00:06<skilz>for maximum range and effectiveness
00:06<archpollux>chealer: will do, thanks
00:07<ranix>skilz: you must construct additional pylons
00:07<skilz>my life for ier
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00:07<skilz>sat for icbm
00:07<ranix>a signal! a signal! My kingdom for a signal!
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00:11<skilz>allah akbar
00:11<skilz>we have a link
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00:13<ga_bash>hey anyone used vsftpd.??
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00:16<ga_bash>skilz, whats that?
00:16<ga_bash>its a secular channel
00:16<ga_bash>skilz, inshallah....
00:17<ranix>are you the fags that have been spamming webchat from #allah
00:17<ga_bash>ranix, not me..
00:17*ranix glares accusingly at ga_bash
00:17<ga_bash>ranix, i believe its secular channel
00:18<ga_bash>i can't get my query answered.. ranix
00:18<stew>can you guys please keep it on-topic
00:18<ga_bash>stew, yeah i cant get my query answered..
00:18<ranix>sorry, I have not used vsftpd
00:18<ranix>I am glad to have answered your question
00:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
00:19<ga_bash>dpkg, ok
00:19<dpkg>ga_bash: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
00:19<ga_bash>dpkg, ok
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00:24<ga_bash>Mohammad, lets do it
00:24<Mohammad>ga_bash, Allah is the truth, Allah is the light, Allah is great and powerful, Allah is the path to glory and 10,000 virgins!
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00:25<Mohammad>Who do you follow?
00:25<ga_bash>Mohammad, tell all
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00:26<ga_bash>i follow one and only one... the supreme... allah
00:26<stew>Habibi: do you have anything debian related?
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00:26<stew>Habibi: ga_bash: please keep it on-topic
00:27<ranix>must resist urge to troll
00:27<ga_bash>stew, he asked me so i answered it
00:27<Habibi>ga_bash, allah ki rehmat mein sach hai
00:27<stew>Habibi: and english only
00:27<stew>ga_bash: don't
00:27<ga_bash>Stew ok
00:27<Habibi>sorry I have pore english
00:27<stew>Habibi: you didn't before. if you want to speak something other than english now, find a different channel
00:28<Habibi>Ok stew
00:28<Habibi>stew, can you help us with the satellite?
00:28<ga_bash>Mohammad yahan pe kafir on ki jamat hai..
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00:29<stew>ga_bash: you've been silenced for 10 minutes
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00:29<stew>Habibi: no, only debian related questions
00:29<Habibi>it's relative to debian since I will be using it on debian
00:29<Habibi>configure it
00:29<stew>Habibi: what exactly do you need to configure?
00:30<Habibi>to modem
00:30<stew>Habibi: which modem?
00:30<Habibi>I have a Comtech EF Data CDM 550 / 550T Satellite Modem / VSAT
00:30<ranix>you may need a router
00:31<stew>Habibi: and what have you done so far?
00:31<Habibi>yes, I need to bounce from space to reach overseas
00:31<Habibi>plugged in the cables
00:31<stew>Habibi: what kind of cables?
00:31<ranix>Habibi: are you sending your packets east, or west
00:32<Habibi>north east
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00:32<Habibi>and south
00:32<stew>Habibi: what exactly do you need to know about debian?
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00:32<Habibi>how to send data from debian through the satellite to my friend
00:33<stew>Habibi: how is it connected?
00:33<stew>Habibi: how?
00:33<ranix>Habibi: have you tried netcat
00:33<stew>ranix: how would he use netcat?
00:33<ranix>stew: he is trolling you, either ban him or join in the fun
00:34<stew>ranix: how would he use netcat?
00:34<Habibi>what is this trolling?
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00:34<stew>Habibi: ignore it
00:34<Habibi>i spent alot of money of this modem and dish, over $1200 AU dollars
00:34<stew>Habibi: please keep it on-topic
00:35<Habibi>yes stew
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00:47<shze|laptop>if I do ARCH=`uname -m` and LIB=/project_path/$(ARCH)/lib in my Makefile I get "/project_path/`uname -r`/lib" for $LIB
00:47<shze|laptop>how do I get the result of uname there?
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00:49<stew>shze|laptop: use $(shell uname -m) instead of `uname -m`
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00:55<shze|laptop>stew: that works here using bash. would it also work with (t)csh?
00:55<stew>shze|laptop: using bash how?
00:56<shze|laptop>stew: I have bash as shell. I guess it makes no difference if you call "make" in a csh..?
00:56<stew>no, it wouldn't
00:57<shze|laptop>stew: great, thanks!
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00:57<stew>shze|laptop: and "uname -m" does nothing specific to any shell
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01:00<shze|laptop>stew: true, I just wasn't sure I the way to get uname's output into a variable is different depending on the shell
01:00<stew>shze|laptop: you aren't putting it into a shell variable
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01:03<shze|laptop>stew: I figured from your answer. thanks for the help :)
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01:03<Steven_M>hi all
01:03<fsdf>hey guys, how can i redetect my partitions with grub?
01:04<streuner_>you mean your kernel? update-grub?
01:04<fsdf>i need to add another HD with Win and need grub found it for boot
01:05<Steven_M>Did these upgrades go well? I think they did. Here's update output: and here's the upgrade output:
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01:06<fsdf>i put the HD but dont find the hdn,n to put on menu.lst
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01:07<fsdf>i just need that grub redetect my partitions and HD to my friend can boot on windows
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01:08<fsdf>there is a simple way or i need to found my hd?
01:09<fsdf>hdn,m is the problem. i dont know n or m
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01:10<streuner_># on /dev/sda2
01:10<streuner_>root (hd0,1)
01:11<streuner_>whats the entry for the partition ?
01:11<streuner_>sda3 or what?
01:11<streuner_>try 2 then
01:12<fsdf>but its on another HD
01:12<streuner_>root (hd0,2)
01:12<fsdf>i need hdn,m no?
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01:16<streuner_>fsdf: just google for it, there are plenty docs and examples how to add a windows partition
01:17<streuner_>too late
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01:22<SkiLz>whats the command to apt-get install a application & all dependent's
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01:23<stew>SkiLz: apt-get install packagename
01:25<SkiLz>Thanks stew, sorry about before.
01:26<Steven_M>Did these upgrades go well? I think they did. Here's update output: and here's the upgrade output:
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01:28<Steven_M>opps, one of those urls isold
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01:31<keith>Debian 5 lenny. How do I connect to X from a prompt.? 'startx' crashes on me.
01:31<Steven_M>Did these upgrades go well? I think they did. Here's update output: and here's the upgrade output:
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01:32<stew>keith: show us the outpuf when running startx?
01:32<stew>keith: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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01:35<keith>stew: First I will have to learn how to use a pastebin.
01:36<stew>keith: at least tell us what the final error was
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01:50<d3co>witch is the lasted version php!!?
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02:04<urbinek>hi, which instalation CD allows to create RAID disks via mdmam ?
02:07<urbinek>mdadm *
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02:08<Gun_Smoke>has anyone been through "securing debian" manual recently? Fairly up to date?
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02:40<BlackHatNiceTux>Hi, can someone please point me in the right direction for a headless (no monitor) install of debian via network?
02:42<BlackHatNiceTux>I have d/l debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso and have access to the keyboard
02:43<urbinek>this is even possible ?
02:43<BlackHatNiceTux>well.... I hope so
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02:43<BlackHatNiceTux>I know there is a web installer, and if I can get that running, hey presto
02:43<BlackHatNiceTux>....but need more info
02:44<urbinek>maybe try to connect via ssh ?
02:44<urbinek>on other desktop
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02:44<BlackHatNiceTux>ssh isn't installed with a default pass (security risk)
02:44<Oyashiro>i'm only guesing but y'll have to propobly create your own pre-configured instalation dics
02:45<BlackHatNiceTux>anyone used the web installer? I used it once ages ago, its starts a web daemon which allows you to install via that
02:45<Oyashiro>czesc michal :P
02:45<urbinek>yyy czesć xD ?
02:46<urbinek>BlackHatNiceTux: so try to connect via www
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02:47<BlackHatNiceTux>re "so try to connect via www" on what port?
02:47<urbinek>http://<target machine's ip address>:8000/cgi-bin/cdebconf.cgi
02:48<BlackHatNiceTux>great, thanks
02:48<BlackHatNiceTux> I have to write a custom config on the cd to get it to run web installer or will it run automagically?
02:49<urbinek>i dont have any idea, it should have some default config
02:49<BlackHatNiceTux>linkage to tutorial?
02:49<urbinek>no info about config, so it should be
02:49<BlackHatNiceTux>cool, tx, you da man
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02:50<urbinek>blast_hardcheese: u know anything about fake RAID in debian :> ?
02:51<BlackHatNiceTux>man, sounds simple until is says "configure the network so that the target machine is reachable on your local net and then, by both opening a shell"
02:51<blast_hardcheese>Did you just pick someone randomly out of the userlist?
02:51<BlackHatNiceTux>which aint easy when you have no monitor
02:51<urbinek>sorry ^^" wrong [tab]ulation
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02:52<blast_hardcheese>Somehow I doubt it
02:52<urbinek>blast_hardcheese: ech
02:53<blast_hardcheese>BlackHatNiceTux: PXE Netboot with that thing that does what you want to do
02:53<urbinek>BlackHatNiceTux: you should have IP from dhcp
02:53<blast_hardcheese>either that or run two installs at the same time
02:53<blast_hardcheese>one in a VM, one on the actual machine
02:53<blast_hardcheese>that way you know what the menus are saying :)
02:53<BlackHatNiceTux>you're saying dhcpd runs automatically?
02:54<urbinek>it should
02:54<BlackHatNiceTux>re: VM, its a clean install, partitioning and everything
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02:55<urbinek>if not type dhclient and wait few seconds
02:55<BlackHatNiceTux>ok, I'll do it now, will let you know how it goes, if it works I guess I better write a tut cause heaps of people are asking how to do it
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03:03<BlackHatNiceTux> the ISO link is broken
03:05<BlackHatNiceTux>I emailed the guy
03:06<urbinek>google it :D
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03:09<SkiLz>can i paste 3 lines please?
03:10<Gun_Smoke>at's 3am.....
03:11<SkiLz>(avant-window-navigator:15031): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
03:11<SkiLz>Error: Screen isn't composited. Please run compiz (-fusion) or another compositising manager
03:11<Yoda-BZH`Wk>SkiLz use
03:12<urbinek>Gun_Smoke: it depends, 9:12 AM in poland :P
03:12<BlackHatNiceTux>SkiLz -> run metacity or compiz?
03:12<Gun_Smoke>well 3am somewhere.. and 5pm somewhere too..
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03:18<SkiLz>not like my skilz
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03:19<BlackHatNiceTux>Skizzlez -> so run Compiz
03:20<BlackHatNiceTux>or explain the problem... the error says to run compiz and you have compiz, what's the issue exactly?
03:21<urbinek>composite disabled in xorg ?
03:21<urbinek>missing libs ?
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03:21<urbinek>not running compiz ?
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03:21<SkiLz>Window manager warning: Log level 16: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap"
03:21<BlackHatNiceTux>I feel my Skilz--
03:21<BlackHatNiceTux>next message
03:21<BlackHatNiceTux>Error: Screen isn't composited. Please run compiz (-fusion) or another compositising manager
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03:23<SkiLz>Window manager warning: Log level 16: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap"Window manager warning: Log level 8: gdk_window_set_back_pixmap: assertion `pixmap == NULL || gdk_drawable_get_depth (window) == gdk_drawable_get_depth (pixmap)' failed
03:23<SkiLz>I ran it, now I get this when I run avant
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03:23<BlackHatNiceTux>FYI Skilz, The 'pixmap' is a pixel map held in RAM of your windows (like a screenshot sorta) that is only created by a 'compositising manager' like compiz or metcity, so you will have to be running one of those if you want a 'pixmap'
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03:24<SkiLz>Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x2c00023 (awn_elemen)
03:24<SkiLz>Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed.
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03:24<SkiLz>I ran compiz
03:24<BlackHatNiceTux>i see
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03:25<BlackHatNiceTux>try googling it, its 5PM here, well past my bedtime
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03:29<SkiLz>$ metacity --replace
03:29<SkiLz>Window manager warning: Log level 16: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap"
03:29<SkiLz>wwhat is with this grr
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03:34<urbinek>fake (SATA) RAID or mdadm ?
03:37<urbinek>thx, but because ?
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03:37<dondelelcaro>urbinek: because it's widely supported in the kernel, and you're not tied to a specific piece of software and its bugs
03:38<petern>well you are, just a well tested piece of software
03:39<urbinek>dondelelcaro: mhm, that's good, i can freelly (?) create raid 0 with debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso during installation ?
03:39<urbinek>can i *
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03:43<mz>My issue is, how do I specify that in /etc/fstab?
03:43<mz>mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev
03:43<mz>mount -o bind /dev/pts /chroot/dev/pts
03:45<mz>i not see for bind
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03:46<urbinek>it works that same
03:46<mz>dir1 dir2 none defaults,bind 0 0?
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05:21<raph_ael>hello, where can i find etch iso images ?
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05:23<raph_ael>urbinek: can't find any
05:23<gsimmons>!install etch
05:23<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are provided at Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>.
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05:24<raph_ael>gsimmons: thanks
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05:34<tuxmea>hi, what is the best procedure regarding maintainers and uploaders section in control file, when doing unofficial, unsupported backports?
05:35<panthera>i'm diverting to xsbc-orig-maintainer
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05:37<tuxmea>panthera: sounds good to me. thank you.
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05:45<SkiLz>whats the command to install wolfenstein enemy territory
05:45<SkiLz>whats the command to install wolfensteinenemyterritory.rn
05:45<SkiLz>im a bit drunk
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05:46<Yoda-BZH`Wk>execute it
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05:46<SkiLz>do I have to chmod +x then ./run it
05:47<SkiLz>its been a few years since ive used linux
05:48<koollman>I guess it's supposed to be run that way, yes. of course, if I remember correctly it's just a big shell script
05:48<koollman>but, chmod +x wolf.., and ./wolf.. should work
05:49<SkiLz>thanks mate, just checking, didnt want to type the wrong command in....
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05:51<koollman>oh, I forgot, I was supposed to say "it's written in the INSTALL or README file that accompagns that binary". (or was that RTFM noob! ? I can't remember which one is right ;) )
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05:53<SkiLz>anyone know of something like xfire for debian to show game servers
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05:54<raph_ael>i also have a problem with a ps2 keyboard that is connected through a ps2 -> usb connector, i can't get the < > which works with a regular usb keyboard, is it a known bug ? is there a solution ? thanks
05:55<SkiLz>koollman, there was not README or INSTALL file with the script
05:56<SkiLz>So no need to be so aggressive mate relax
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06:04<ga_bash>SkiLz, inshallah.. :)
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06:08<frunsk>the -y option for apt-get install automatically means yes only or default? i.e. y/N vs Y/n
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06:31<richi_>why does'nt: mii-tool -A 1000baseT-HD,100baseTx-FD eth0 work? advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control i not on 1000...
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06:36<pocket>does somebody know why my wireless keyboard/mouse doesn't work with lenny on ps3?
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07:12<bevan>is the gnome debian version of xchat better than the standard one?
07:13<Lethalman>I use it, but you might want to wait for the exp one to go in sid, it has several bug fixes
07:13<enouf>richi_: i don't know, but try ethtool instead?
07:14<bevan>did I mention I love debian :P
07:14<enouf>richi_: you also need atleast a cat5e cable for 1000baseT IINM
07:16<richi_>w have cat6
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07:17<enouf>richi_: also, might not some gigE require using Jumbo frames , especially concerning certain Chipsets
07:19<richi_>i will check the cable andthe nchange it again :)
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07:35<orochi>Hello :> Can anyone recommend a good mp3 player that is also Linux compatible (particularly Debian Lenny ;>)? I used to love the iPods but now they have to be jailbroken just to get some music on them :<
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08:23<zigga15>lame, got banned from ubuntu server ha ha
08:23<prahal>hi does anyone know the timeframe for the linux modules extra and 2.6.29 ? I need aufs and squashfs for to build a debian live based on sid (again to have 2.6.29 and its support for the eeepc) ... though before attempting to build my own modules I wanted to be sure it has not already been done (looks like it is not just a matter of recompiling)
08:23<zigga15>I dont think it has been done
08:24<zigga15>its a bit of a knish
08:24<zigga15>check some eeepc hack up sites though
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08:26<zigga15>wow there are no n00bs spamming for install help on this channel
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08:28<zigga15>anyone built openBSD with a custom compiler here by any chance?
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08:28<ranix>prahal: I'm not certain, I haven't kept up on the eee, but there's more eee info on oftc
08:29<ranix>prahal: #debian-eeepc at
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08:29<ranix>people there are very likely to know about what you're asking
08:29<ruffel>zigga15: be sure to send a report to misc@ if you manage *that*
08:29<ranix>zigga15: please keep it on-topic for #debian
08:29<zigga15>ha ha ok sorry
08:30<zigga15>yea i do it for work at Sun Micro - im almost there
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08:30<zigga15>ill have to post a research paper though - internal bureaucracy
08:30<zigga15>anyway back on topic
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08:33<urbinek>i've installed debian 5.0 squeeze, i thought that it will be have squeeze repo and start to upgrade and instlall packages
08:33<urbinek>but there are repo from lenny
08:33<urbinek>will it couse any problems ?
08:34<chealer>urbinek: there is no such thing as debian 5.0 squeeze
08:34<urbinek>debian 5.0 testing
08:35<zigga15>yea i get what you mean urbinek
08:35<raph_ael>nobody for a keyboard problem because of a ps2/usb connector ?
08:35<zigga15>raph_ael shoudln't be a problem
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08:35<zigga15>thats on the hardware end, those things basically just change the number of pins
08:35<enouf>raph_ael: i use ps/2 > usb adapters for my keys and mouse, no issues here
08:35<zigga15>I would check the device itself
08:35<chealer>urbinek: squeeze is testing
08:36<urbinek>so it will be any problems ?
08:36<enouf>raph_ael: er .. i should say, they plug into the ps/2 ports, then the USB corded keys/mouse plug into those
08:36<zigga15>yea there is just no repo
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08:36<chealer>raph_ael: just ask your question
08:36<urbinek>"yea there is just no repo" ?
08:36<enouf>so cat /proc/bus/input/devices lists both/all
08:37<raph_ael>enouf: the <> key doesn't work
08:37<zigga15>raph_ael its either your adaptor or your keyboard
08:37<urbinek>i don
08:37<zigga15>then its ur mapping
08:37<enouf>chealer: he had, sometime back .. heh, almost 3hrs?
08:37<urbinek>'t get it, reinstall or not ?
08:37<raph_ael>chealer: i already asked a few lines before, but was trying again
08:37<zigga15>you just have to change your keyboard standard
08:38<enouf>raph_ael: well 3 hours is (can be) a long time for someone to have in their backscroll
08:38<raph_ael>zigga15: i tried some combination with xsetmodmap but not much success
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08:38<zigga15>ohhh ok, nice raph_ael
08:38<ruffel>zigga15: what is the slithy object on the second floor below the 37th?
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08:39<zigga15>ruffel, huh?
08:39<urbinek>so, guyz ... ?
08:39<zigga15>need to change your keyboard mapping
08:39<chealer>prahal: after fixed Linux headers, surely. which will happen after some buildd admins become available. nobody can tell when that will happen.
08:40<zigga15>basically each country has a different standard, Australia gets the US standard
08:40<raph_ael>enouf: the proc/device says "Generic USB K/B"
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08:40<zigga15>hmm probs not generic
08:40<urbinek>zigga15: eeee i don't get it why layout is somehow related with repo ?
08:40<chealer>raph_ael: I don't see your question. just re-ask
08:40<zigga15>you will have tocheck your keyboard
08:40<raph_ael>zigga15: the strange thing is that it works with a regular usb kb
08:40<zigga15>that is odd
08:41<zigga15>must be the adapter
08:41<raph_ael>11:54 < raph_ael> i also have a problem with a ps2 keyboard that is connected through a ps2 -> usb connector, i can't get the < > which works with a regular usb keyboard, is it a known bug ? is cmyers there a solution ? thanks
08:41<zigga15>sorry I have had too much red wine tonight :P
08:41<raph_ael>zigga15: surely the adaptor, it did the same with another kb, but was wondering if it was a known bug or not
08:41<zigga15>i think so
08:41<zigga15>cant be a software
08:42<enouf>raph_ael: is the adapter plugged into the USB port?
08:42<raph_ael>enouf: surely, unless i could type here :)
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08:42<enouf>raph_ael: no, mine is the inverse (as i mentioned)
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08:42<zigga15>what actually happens when you press <>
08:42*enouf has no <> key
08:43<raph_ael>enouf: yes, i misread
08:43<raph_ael>zigga15: nothing
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08:43<raph_ael>can't remember the software that displays event when keys are pressed
08:43<zigga15>write your own lol
08:43<raph_ael>enouf: thanls
08:44<raph_ael>i wish i could code
08:44<zigga15>yea see if you get a null input of just a wierd one that doesnt map to ascii
08:44<ranix>zigga15: please stop trolling
08:44<ruffel>zigga15: sorry. i suddenly had that feeling you're not human. i think i was wrong.
08:44<zigga15>whats trolling?
08:44<enouf>raph_ael: might it be a locale issue? see if setxkbmap <CountryCode> helps, also see xmodmap and /msg dpkg keymap
08:44<zigga15>sorry i dont hang out on IRC much
08:44<ranix>isn't there a way to see the scancodes from your keypresses, enouf?
08:44<enouf>ok .. i'm out for a while ..
08:45<ranix>he could use that to see if the buttons are actually doing anything
08:45<zigga15>if it works with usb it doesnt make any sense to be a software issue
08:45<ranix>and then xmodmap to make it work
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08:45<zigga15>yea thats true ranix
08:45<enouf>ranix: xev and showkey is what i think you mean? or ..
08:45<ranix>sounds right
08:45<zigga15>tried the keyboard on another comp without the computer?
08:46<zigga15>without the adapter8
08:46<enouf>ranix: do you mean the boottime.keymap.gz file in /etc/console*/ ?
08:46<raph_ael>enouf: in fact it works without problem with a regular usb kb
08:46<raph_ael>showkey does not report anythin
08:46<ranix>enouf: go, go, go out! have fun
08:46<enouf>raph_ael: regular usb keyboard plugged directly into usb port?
08:46<zigga15>eh, could be a number of things... i suggest debugging from one end to the other one
08:46<raph_ael>have fun enouf
08:47<zigga15>cya enouf
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08:47<zigga15>i gotta get back to my assignment
08:48<zigga15>ill idle for a bit
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08:48<raph_ael>well showkey does not show anything when the key is pressed
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08:49<ranix>try xev
08:49<ranix>in x that is
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08:53<raph_ael>xev does not report anything as if the key was dead
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08:53<raph_ael>maybe i should try a new adapter
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08:53<ranix>sounds like it, I'm starting to suspect the adapter
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08:55<raph_ael>i'll try another one, but that's strange
08:55<raph_ael>ranix: zigga15 : enouf : thanks for your help
08:56<zigga15>no wokkaz
08:57<zigga15>yar adapter is simple electronically, but if it takes a few knocks you can lose a pin... still have a lot of functionality, but not all of it :P
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08:58<prahal>chealer, thanks . I though that one was already fixed . Now it makes sense
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08:58<raph_ael>if ibm model m keyboard had some usb, i'd buy it ;-)
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08:59<stevem_>How can I find out what the version of python was in sarge when the doesn't list sarge any more?
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08:59<zigga15>depends if the package builds its own python??
08:59<petemc>stevem_: Version: 2.3.5-2
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09:00<stevem_>petemc, thanks - how did you work that out?
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09:00<petemc>i have a sarge box
09:00<stevem_>ok :D
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09:00<petemc>you might find it on
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09:03<ricli85>after the upgrade to lenny, chinese fonts (and fonts in general) render differently in iceweasel, any idea of what might be wrong?
09:03<ricli85>the problem seems to be that it picks a font that looks quite bad even though better looking ones are installed
09:04<chealer>stevem_: you can look at though that only shows one of the versions
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09:16<alexander>Hy, gays
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09:17<ranix>must have thought this was #glbt
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09:17<prahal>chealer, looks like the headers issue is fixed in -2. It is building currently :)
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09:19<chealer>prahal: exactly. it's actually built on i386 and waiting to be signed:
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09:22<prahal>ah ok still one step left :-/
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09:31<zigga150>its crowded
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09:45<zigga150>anyone got Xfi sound blaster card working with debian?
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10:02<bighornram>I'm reinstalling squeeze from crash/boot problem yesterday. Can't get network manager to show and don't have any networks visible in network config. ifconfig shows eth0 and wlan0. Mr. google seems to say there is a bug happening with networking/manager. Is there a fix/workaround?
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10:07<mathieu>hi can you help me please
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10:07<mathieu>i wil a irc debian french?
10:07<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
10:08<mathieu>thank you
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10:15<benjamin>Hi, sometime when I logout from my current session and then I try to login again, I just type my password and the input box gets disabled, and then nothing... The mouse pointer just "think" and nothing happens again. Then I have to restart gdm
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10:18<benjamin>Sorry I tryed again and the same thing happened
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10:20<pawel>is there any program for controlling Internet speed?
10:21<petemc>there are a few
10:21<pawel>could you tell me their names?
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10:25<chealer>bighornram: you mean with network-manager?
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10:49<bighornram>is there a workaround for network manager not identifying connections?
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10:52<jthomas>must smartctl be run on an unmounted drive, correct?
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10:53<koollman>jthomas: no, it's fine with mounted drives
10:53<jthomas>oh really, cool thanks
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10:55<bighornram>can somebody help configure networking? I re-installed squeeze, kept my /home partition. I have no network manager in panel and network settings say wlan0 and eth0 are not configured. I am connected to eth0 and ifconfig shows wlan0.
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10:55<chealer>bighornram: what do you mean by "identifying connections"?
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10:59<bighornram>wlan0 and eth0 interfaces are present, ifconfig shows them. from system/administration/network has both there but are dimmed and say not configured. Network manager is gone completely. Network Manager Editor is showing all of the wireless networks I have connected to before I reinstalled. Is this a configuration issue or has something happened to the networking app in squeeze?
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11:01<luca635>I'm trying to print a sequence of images in 2up
11:01<bighornram>chealer: brb
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11:01<luca635>I'm been on it for ours
11:02<legnaleurc>when will the kernel upgrade to 2.6.29 in sid?
11:02<Torsten_W>legnaleurc: 2.6.29 is in sid
11:02<luca635>with convert (imagemagick) I've obtained a beautiful ps file
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11:02<luca635>when displayed with bounding box its fine
11:03<luca635>but when displayed A4 paper size, it is not centered
11:04<legnaleurc>Torsten_W: not linux-image series
11:04<petern>Torsten_W, p.d.o. suggests it's not
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11:05<petern>or it is
11:06<pawel>or n
11:06<Torsten_W> Installed: (none)
11:06<Torsten_W> Candidate: 2.6.29-2
11:06<Torsten_W>i see it
11:06<petern>i fail at using pdo :)
11:06<petern>too generic search :)
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11:07<bighornram>chealer: Problem identified but don't know how to fix it. gnome is trying to start nm-applet but doesn't have permissions. I started it with sudo from commandline and it works fine. How do I change the configureation so it will start with this gnome session?
11:07<legnaleurc>i know, but metapackages are still 2.6.26
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11:09<chealer>bighornram: I don't know GNOME, but your error message may help
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11:11<buffoon_work_>does anybody know a good download manager for multiple downloads in debian except d4x?
11:11<chealer>legnaleurc: if you're asking when linux-latest will be updated, that's probably when 2.6.29 will be in good shape
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11:16<bighornram>k will research more, gotta run right now thanks.
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12:01<bighornram>greetings I'm having the problem listed on This happened after reinstalling but keeping my /home partition. I chose not to allow root logins and sudo was configured to allow me necessary permissions. Gnome retained appearance etc. but Network Manager is gone. I have found that it will start with sudo command. What would be the "correct" way to fix this permissions issue? reconfigure a package? add to g
12:01<bighornram>roup? thanks
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12:07<weasel>bighornram: and are you using ubuntu?
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12:13<bighornram>no i'm not. i'm using squeeze
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12:31<bighornram>how do I reconfigure network manager to have the correct permissions to start within a gnome session?
12:32<bighornram>weasel: in a debian squeeze install.
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12:33<weasel>that link you posted doesn't even describe a problem
12:34<weasel>only a "fix". not very useful.
12:34<bighornram>that is why i'm on here asking.
12:35<bighornram>i have to open a console and sudo nm-applet to open it.
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12:36<avu>bighornram, in general, the easiest way to make it work without sudo is the setuid bit. But that's also an ugly and quite insecure way. a better way would be finding out why exactly it fails when not run as root and change the permissions of the objects at hand (or stuff the user trying it in the right group)
12:37<avu>bighornram, try running it as the user you want to run it as and look for error messages. If those are not enough, use strace(1)
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12:37<bighornram>avu: easy enought..
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12:39<m_vrik>I installed testing and all is well except that openoffice writer and other apps headings are unreadable. That is instead of English they have verical rectangles replacing the english letters. Has anyone else got this problem?
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12:41<m_vrik>Another question, how could I intall openoffice 3.0 from the Sid repository and still leave my testing distro in place?
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12:43<bighornram>avu: This is what i get when I run it.
12:43<avu>m_vrik, you can probably install the packages from sid without them bringing in too many other dependencies from there
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12:44<avu>bighornram, so?
12:44<avu>bighornram, I think the DBUS related warnings are what you need to focus on
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12:45<m_vrik>avu -- should I just change my sources.list to sid for the OO03.0 and then change it back to testing?
12:45<avu>bighornram, it speaks about a security policy in a configuration file. I'd guess that policy mentions some group the user wanting to run nm-applet has to be in
12:45<avu>m_vrik, that would be one way, yes
12:46<m_vrik>Is there a better way?
12:46<avu>depends on your definition of "better" I guess
12:46<bighornram>that was what I found in the previous link though that stated adding the user to netdev group didnt' fix it.
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12:46<avu>you could permanently add sid to your sources.list and give it a lower priority than squeeze for example
12:47<avu>or download the package files manually
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12:47<m_vrik>avu -- how do I give Sid a lower priority?
12:48<avu>bighornram, so, what, you didn't read that configuration file, you read /about/ it on some ubuntu site and then again didn't actually try the fix mentioned there but just read that it didn't work (again, on ubuntu)?
12:48<avu>!tell m_vrik about pinning
12:48<bighornram>I looked at it in this machine (the affected one) and another one which is unaffected. they are identical.
12:49<avu>that's certainly not the case.
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12:49<avu>there are by definition not 'identical', as they show different behaviour
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12:50<m_vrik>OK, I'll read up on pinning. Thanks
12:50<avu>bighornram, and I dare say if you didn't find the reason for that difference in behaviour explained in the (configuration) files on that system, you made a mistake
12:51<avu>m_vrik, the debian wiki link has exactly what you want as an example right at the top ;-)
12:51<m_vrik>avu -- thanks!
12:51<bighornram>avu: hmm that would be the first time I was ever wrong. :D Will check again.
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12:53<avu>bighornram, if there /really/ is no difference in the setup between the two machines, you might have found a bug which you should report. But again, I'd suspect you failed to find that difference in setup first. (just from personal experience. most of the time, it's me doing something wrong, not the application having a bug ;-))
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12:55<avu>(unless you're using gcc and are creative when trying to compare 10 and -10 of course ;-))
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12:57<bighornram>avu: I suspect that the problem is a new install using data from an old install. Also this install offered to disallow root login and assign sudo to myself instead. I could be wrong there too though.
12:59<avu>bighornram, well, that's all far too vague to work with. try to find actual differences in the way the offending user and dbus are set up on both systems. also make sure every application involved has the same version on both machines.
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13:00<avu>bighornram, also, reading dbus documentation to learn how exactly those security policies work might be helpful to really understand the existing setup
13:00<bighornram>what is the command to list users assigned to a group? or list what groups a user belongs to?
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13:01<avu>id <user>
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13:02<bighornram>affected machine is not member of netdev group. :)
13:03<chealer>!tell avu about tum
13:04<avu>ah, that's a niceer factoid for that specific use-case m_vrik had, true. thanks chealer.
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13:06<avu>(nicer factoid and better actual solution that is)
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13:11<chealer>avu: yeah :)
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13:16<Orkidatar>Is there any qemu installer comming soon for lenny ? ( like this one :"" but for lenny ) Thanks :)
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13:16<Lethias>Hello Ranix.
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13:17<Lethias>I ended up ditching the proprietary ati drivers for the open source drivers instead.
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13:18<Lethias>I've started over in xorg and setup both displays.
13:19<Lethias>Ranix: I have it where i can see both displays in Grandr and can turn one or the other off.
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13:20<jthomas>I am attempting to upgrade from .KDE4 (experimental) to .KDE (sid) with Synaptic, expecting some breakage. I read the popup about the upgrade but it certainly wasn't clear to me. It said to not run any KDE apps but also said to run Kaboom... does Kaboom run itself? It could have been much less wordy, is there a website where it is written up so that I can reread it and offer suggestions?
13:20<jthomas>i guess first, do I run kaboom before I log out of KDE, or after?
13:21<jthomas>sorry wrong #room :(
13:21<weasel>it's channels. not rooms.
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13:22<yusuo>im having problems with my network, its a samba setup but whenever i try and connect via my mac, i can see the network but when i try to access it says connection refused anyone please help
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13:23*weasel wonders why it would say "connection refused anybody please help"
13:23<prahal>yusuo, have you checked the permissions of the directory you share as well as the permissions of the share done via samba ?
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13:24<adama>yusuo: does it work when accessing it from a windows or linux client?
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13:24<yusuo>prahal, i the permissions on my side are perfectly fine all users have access to it via my pc but i wouldnt know how to give global access through network loging
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13:25<yusuo>i wouldnt know adama, i dont have any other windows or linux based pcs in the house
13:25<Lethias>Ranix: is it possible to set a virtual desktop per monitor?
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13:25<ranix>Lethias: yes, in fact I think aticonfig will do that as default with one of its configurations
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13:26<ranix>it's odd though, because one cannot drag windows from one monitor to the next
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13:26<Lethias>that is odd, cause normally you can drag one windows to another virtual desktop.
13:27<adama>yusuo: here is good guide for samba.
13:27<ranix>it doesn't allow you to grab a desktop on the left that is already grabbed on the right
13:27<ranix>so you can't pull right
13:27<bl4ckc00k1e>hi all
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13:27<adama>yusuo: follow the "drafting Office" example, and realize that you will have to do several things differently
13:27<ranix>I dislike it personally
13:28<Lethias>ranix: i don't like the sound of it either.
13:28<bl4ckc00k1e>somebody knows how can i share a folder with my debian and one virtual machine? i confugreted it the net with hot-only, and the systems can see them!
13:28<bl4ckc00k1e>cant see*
13:28<prahal>yusuo, your other users are in the group staff or users . While the "nobody" guest account is not . So local users having access to the folder locally may not be relevant . could you take a look at /var/log/samba/log.<your netbios name> ?
13:28<yusuo>ill let you know
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13:29<prahal>do you try to access it via network logging as guest ?
13:29<bighornram>avu: adding to group netdev fixed the problem (the ubantu page said that didn't fix it). Had to reconfigigure net apps though after adding to the group.
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13:30<bighornram>avu: thanks for your tips.
13:30<bl4ckc00k1e>prahal i maked a shared folfer on home, with system/administration/shared folder and in my emulete win i can see it with the assistant of shared folder
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13:30<Zoup>how can sysadmins be of service for Debian project ? is there anyway to help project ?
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13:30<bl4ckc00k1e>i cant*
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13:32<i10neorg>Can any of you imagine what can go wrong when connecting by ssh after successful authentication but before you see a prompt?
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13:32<i10neorg>I have a single host that has that trouble. Other hosts on my network are fine.
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13:32<i10neorg>I'm running Debian testing (openssh).
13:32<i10neorg>I do ssh -vvv and compare with hosts where ssh is fine.
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13:33<Zoup>i10neorg: paste output somewhere
13:33<i10neorg>Zoup: Okay.
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13:35<mantra>hey why did pulseaudio install on testing?
13:35<mantra>i have a pretty base system
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13:36<mantra>hen it installed on an update it wouldnt tell me either
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13:38<mantra>i have xfce
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13:40<i10neorg>Zoup: <>
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13:41<i10neorg>That's what come out until the ssh connection pauses.
13:42<i10neorg>And here's what happens after it's killed: <>
13:42<Zoup>i10neorg: guess you out of shell, try ssh <server> /bin/bash
13:43<i10neorg>Same behavior.
13:43<Zoup>i10neorg: type 'ls'
13:43<i10neorg>What did you see in the output suggesting it was the shell?
13:43<Zoup>i10neorg: you are entering interactive shell
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13:44<i10neorg>Zoup: I'm not getting an interactive shell.
13:44<i10neorg>I'm authenticated, then just sit.
13:44<Zoup>i10neorg: try ssh <ip> /bin/ls
13:45<i10neorg>The comparison to a successful login (using -vvv), everything up until... here, let me paste that, just a sec... is the same.
13:45<i10neorg>Zoup: Oh, okay.
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13:46<i10neorg>Zoup: ls pauses at the same place (debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768)
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13:47<i10neorg>before "debug1: channel 0: free: client-session, nchannels 1" I see on successful logins (on other clients).
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13:50<Zoup>i10neorg: your issue much likes lack of proper input output, maybe something is wrong with /dev, best test would be to try rebooting the server, ssh <server> reboot, you see, no other command has this massive effect :))
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13:51<i10neorg>Zoup: The problem is ssh'ing into our out of the problem host.
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13:51<Zoup>i10neorg: what do you mean?
13:51<i10neorg>Zoup: I can ssh into out out of two other hosts on my network, it's just this one host (and it's in or out).
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13:52<i10neorg>Zoup: I mean I think that means it's not the server I'm ssh'ing into.
13:53<Zoup>i10neorg: well, do you have known host hash of the right server ?
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13:53<i10neorg>I mean ssh'ing INTO the problem host sees a similar behavior from a known good host (hanging after auth and evn exchange but before interactive prompt).
13:54<i10neorg>Zoup: You mean kill by ~/.ssh/know_hosts file and see what happens?
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13:54<i10neorg>(remove it on the problem host)
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13:57<i10neorg>I don't know if I should even mention this, but to make things even stranger (but hopefully give someone an idea), it seems to only happen to this one host (that it can ssh in or out) when on a lan with a linksys router!
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13:57<i10neorg>I was running a different firmware for years and never saw this problem. When to another house with a linksys and experienced what I am now. Came back to my lan with non-linksys router firmware and was fine. I have linksys again now...
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13:58<i10neorg>If it wasn't for that all my other Debian installs are fine, I'd blame it on the router somehow.
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14:00<stuckey>I'm trying to run Quake4 in Lenny; I installed some different libraries to get it to work, but now it runs so slow I can't play it. I copied the errors from the terminal here:
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14:22<metaperl_work>I use debian stable. I type apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and now I have this error - symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: gzopen64
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14:24<stuckey>No one knows???
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14:28<ranix>stuckey: your sound card is shitting bricks
14:29<ranix>stuckey: fix it
14:29<stuckey>ranix: shitting bricks?
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14:31<stuckey>ranix: how do I fix it?
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14:35<valdyn>stuckey: which gfx card / chip?
14:37<stuckey>valdyn: nvidia 9800gt
14:38<stuckey>and I installed the driver the "debian way".
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14:39<valdyn>stuckey: no, not completely
14:40<valdyn>stuckey: which debian arch are you running?
14:40<stuckey>valdyn: it's amd64
14:40<valdyn>stuckey: what did you install to activate software rendering?
14:40<valdyn>stuckey: you missed nvidia-glx-ia32, but i dont know what you fucked up to activate software rendering
14:41<stuckey>valdyn: I'm using the drivers in the experimetal archive
14:41<stuckey>valdyn: wait... so I don't have hardware rendering????
14:41<valdyn>stuckey: experimental or not, you still need nvidia-glx-ia32
14:41<stuckey>valdyn: I need to install this?
14:41<valdyn>stuckey: if its slow, then yes
14:41<valdyn>stuckey: so what did you do to get software rendering?
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14:43<stuckey>valdyn: It isn't slow anymore, but now it's so dark that I can't see anything in the game.
14:43<stuckey>valdyn: I don't remember exactly, I followed the instructions on the wiki.
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14:44<stuckey>valdyn: and someone in here helped me.
14:44<stuckey>valdyn: I know I'm using the drivers out of the experimental archive.
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14:49<stuckey>valdyn: what I did would be here, with the exception of adding the experimental repository (since my card is new):
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15:01<LostPlanet>is there an easy way to find out what packages i have installed that are from the non-free section ? Rigth now I am using a command like this "dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 | xargs aptitude show | grep -B6 -A5 "Section: non-free" | less" which works, but maybe there is a better way ?
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15:06<Eh>hey crazy question but do you think you can mount ftp as a file system
15:06<chealer>LostPlanet: you'd need a virtual RMS
15:06<Eh>i'm too embarassed to ask google
15:07<petemc>you cane with fuse
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15:07<petemc>google it
15:08<LostPlanet>chealer: what is that ?
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15:08<Eh>i'm going to :)
15:08<Eh>tyvm pete
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15:08<i10neorg>LostPlanet: aptitude search ~i~snon-free ?
15:08<dpkg>rms is probably a hacker name of Richard Stallman, founder of Free Software Foundation (fsf), (co)author of the GNU General Public licence(s), and GNU philosophy in general.
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15:09<chealer>LostPlanet: an RMS in your computer that could tell you what's non-free
15:10<LostPlanet>ok, i wondered if you were referring to him
15:10<LostPlanet>i10neorg: that works
15:10<LostPlanet>what do the ~i and ~s options do ?
15:10<i10neorg>~i : things installed
15:11<i10neorg>~s : section
15:11<i10neorg>Yeah, I don't know how folks manage without a little aptitude search knowledge.
15:11<LostPlanet>there is no info about that in the man page for aptitude
15:11<i10neorg>That's lame.
15:11<LostPlanet>how do i search the package descriptions in aptitude
15:11<i10neorg>The goods are in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README
15:11<dkr>yeah, it's in separate docs in /usr/share/doc
15:12<pawel>how to set up an Internet tunnel?
15:12<i10neorg>Or the User's Manual under the Help menu of aptitude.
15:12<dkr>pawel: you could use ssh to make a tunnel
15:12<i10neorg>LostPlanet: ~d
15:12<LostPlanet>found the info the in /usr/share/doc file. thanks
15:13<pawel>dkr: how>
15:13<valdyn>pawel: read the manpage
15:13<dkr>pawel: by reading the instructions. I think it's -L for local port and -R for remote, something like that
15:13<pawel>man ssh?
15:13<LostPlanet>or google it
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15:15<stuckey>I'm trying to install quake4 but am having some difficulties. Could someone help me?
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15:17<valdyn>stuckey: is nvidia-glx-ia32 installed now?
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15:18<stuckey>valdyn: Yes, but like I said, I can't see shit once I'm in the game. Everything is really dark.
15:19<valdyn>stuckey: use gamma correction?
15:19<stuckey>valdyn: and yes I tried adjusting brightness to max level, everything is still black. I can only see things that are really bright, like gunshots.
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15:21<chealer>stuckey: just ask your question
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15:21<valdyn>stuckey: have you tried to google for that error?
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15:23<stuckey>valdyn: the "the screen is too dark after I install nvidia-glx-ia32 package" error? No.
15:23<stuckey>valdyn: how do I use gamma correction?
15:23<valdyn>stuckey: thats the brightness setting in quake
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15:24<stuckey>valdyn: oh yes, of course. I tried that.
15:24<stuckey>chealer: trying to install quake4. it was too slow until i install nvidia-glx-ia32 like valdyn said. but now it's too dark to see in the game.
15:24<valdyn>stuckey: can you read german?
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15:24<stuckey>chealer: works fine on i386, but this machine has amd64
15:24<stuckey>valdyn: ja
15:25<valdyn>stuckey:, look for "noch nicht hell genug"
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15:26<stuckey>valdyn: but it doesn't make any sense... Why does it work just fine on i386 but not amd64? there seems to be something else wrong besides games settings.
15:27<valdyn>stuckey: different display?
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15:27<valdyn>stuckey: monitor i mean
15:27<stuckey>valdyn: excatl same machine
15:27<valdyn>stuckey: driver version?
15:27<valdyn>stuckey: nvidia driver version?
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15:28<stuckey>valdyn: possibly... the nvidia driver here was done the debian way. on the i386 installation (on the same computer though) was done the nvidia way
15:28<valdyn>stuckey: which way doesnt matter
15:28<valdyn>stuckey: version does
15:28<stuckey>valdyn: same version
15:28<valdyn>stuckey: nvidia-settings has brightness, contrast and gamme controls too
15:29<stuckey>valdyn: but I don't have a problem with that oustide of this game.
15:29<stuckey>valdyn: it works just fine with movies, etc.
15:30<valdyn>stuckey: thats not really useful info, both the X driver and the libGL are from nvidia
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15:30<valdyn>stuckey: so its entirely possible that a 3D game looks different than a movie, but debian cannot "fix" it
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15:30<stuckey>valdyn: so i should try nvidia-settings?
15:30<valdyn>stuckey: i would try the methods from that forum and nvidia-settings
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15:33<stuckey>valdyn: nvidia-settings to adjust gamma to what?
15:33<valdyn>stuckey: try and see
15:33<stuckey>valdyn: okay it makes my screen look really wierd when I adjust it
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15:34<valdyn>stuckey: you want to check how quake4 looks, not how your X screen looks
15:35<bhagya>hi all. in securing debian, it has been gicen to stop perl. may i know how do i find out which programs/packages are using perl.
15:35<ranix>valdyn: that's a lof of the errors Stuckey is getting from quake 4
15:35<ranix>his sound is throwing up
15:35<bhagya>may i also know how to find out whether is telnet is on or off
15:35<valdyn>his sound is unrelated to brightness
15:35<stuckey>valdyn: still looks like shit
15:35<ranix>oh you fixed the frame rate, stuckey ?
15:35<valdyn>bhagya: its not even installed by default
15:36<stuckey>ranix: that was before I installed nvidia-glx-ia32
15:36<valdyn>stuckey: so try the other methods
15:36<ranix>aah k
15:36<stuckey>ranix: the frame rate is perfect now, just can't see shit to play.
15:36<valdyn>stuckey: i cant help you with adjusting those values
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15:36<ranix>stuckey: raise your chair to look at the computer monitor from a higher angle if it's an LCD
15:36<ranix>stuckey: try closing the shades
15:36<stuckey>valdyn: well my problem is that, this came about after installing nvidia-glx-ia32
15:36<stuckey>valdyn: before all of the colours and textures were perfect.
15:37<ranix>stuckey: DVI?
15:37<stuckey>valdyn: so do you really think this has to do with in-game settings???
15:37<bhagya>valdyn | hi. I am using lenny. telnet or perl are installed by default ?
15:37<valdyn>bhagya: telnet no, perl yes
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15:37<valdyn>stuckey: no, i think its because your i386 version uses a different driver
15:38<bhagya>valdyn | so, may i know how do i find out about which packages are using perl ?
15:38<stuckey>valdyn: but I'm sure I installed the same ones.
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15:38<valdyn>bhagya: whats the point?
15:39<bhagya>valdyn | I want to remove perl.
15:39<valdyn>bhagya: who or what gave you that insane idea?
15:39<valdyn>bhagya: and you cant remove perl.
15:39<bhagya>securing debian on
15:40<valdyn>bhagya: can you be a little more precise? im not going to dig thru docs for you
15:40<bhagya>valdyn | securing debian howto
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15:41<valdyn>bhagya: url!
15:41<stuckey>valdyn: there's a different driver for i386 and amd64, do you think that's the cause?
15:42<valdyn>bhagya: frankly, securing by howto doesnt work
15:42<valdyn>bhagya: you can use it as a checklist, but a howto cant replace knowledge
15:42<gravity>I don't think removing perl can be done
15:42<valdyn>stuckey: i can only guess
15:42<gravity>I believe there's still a bunch of core tools that use it
15:43<bhagya>valdyn |
15:43<valdyn>stuckey: why dont you try the methods listed on that forum and go on *after* you know that that doesnt work?
15:44<valdyn>bhagya: well, thats a statement which you cannot conclude from that you can remove perl
15:44<gravity>bhagya: Did you actually read that text?
15:44<gravity>So, without Perl and, unless you remake these utilities in shell script, you will probably not be able to manage any packages (so you will not be able to upgrade the system, which is not a Good Thing).
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15:45<valdyn>bhagya: your probably innocent enough to not know that *any* unix shell like bash is a turing complete language, thus a potential security threat as explained by that text
15:45<marth>hi all, I have a question
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15:45<marth>I'm trying to use evince and kpdf to open a pdf document, but it says I have to give a password
15:45<valdyn>bhagya: and that doesnt mean that you can or should remove shells either
15:45<marth>this is really strange, because someone I know has the same system and doesn't have to enter a password
15:46<marth>even though he also uses Debian, the same system and the same versions of the programs
15:46<marth>does anyone know what I can do about this?
15:46<bhagya>valdyn | gravity | I will keep in that mind, and I have decided not to remove Perl.
15:46<valdyn>bhagya: heh, like you have a choice
15:47<gravity>Well... you *can*... it's just not going to be a smart move
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15:48<valdyn>probably less destructive than mkfs, but also less secure ;)
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15:52<stuckey>valdyn: okay, tried them all---doesn't work.
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15:52<chealer>marth: which document?
15:52<marth>chealer: just a private document, a pdf file
15:53<marth>someone else who uses Ubuntu can also open this document without a popup
15:53<marth>and strangely enough I also get this popup with kpdf and others
15:53<marth>I tried to chmod a+rwx the document, but no effect
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15:57<chealer>marth: it's not a Unix permissions issue
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15:57<stuckey>I'm about to give up and delcare it impossible to play quake4 on amd64.
15:57<marth>yeah :( but what kind of problem is it... :)
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16:02<stuckey>valdyn: Wait!
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16:03<LostPlanet>marth: maybe the reason your other person doesn't have to enter a password is because it is alreayd saved / cached on their system
16:03<stuckey>valdyn: Shouldn't nvidia-glx-ia32 be installed from experimental (since experimental contains the only drivers for my card, and sice that's where I got all of my other driver stuff for my card)????
16:03<valdyn>stuckey: sure
16:03<valdyn>stuckey: im surprised that version mix works at all
16:03<stuckey>apt-get -b experimental nvidia-glx-ia32, right? (to install from experimental)?
16:03<stuckey>valdyn: why didn't you tell me this before?
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16:04<valdyn>stuckey: guess I took that for granted
16:04<hossi>if I want to do I fresh upgrade, is it only type apt-get -u dist-upgrade ?
16:04<valdyn>stuckey: apt-get -t experimental install nvidia-glx-ia32
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16:05<valdyn>hossi: whats a "fresh" upgrade?
16:05<hossi>valdyn: remove all old things, and install new
16:05<hossi>like reinstall debian
16:06<valdyn>hossi: umm no
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16:06<valdyn>hossi: an upgrade is an upgrade, it doesnt reinstall things that are not upgraded
16:06<hossi>valdyn: aa true, how do I do if I want reinstall
16:06<stuckey>valdyn: it's still fucked
16:07<hossi>with new kernel
16:07<dpkg>i heard reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
16:07<valdyn>stuckey: check versions of all nvidia packages
16:07<stuckey>valdyn: Could you tell me how please?
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16:08<valdyn>stuckey: dpkg -l | grep nvidia
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16:10<valdyn>stuckey: nvidia-glx-ia32 is still the wrong version obviously
16:10<hossi>valdyn: I get this then
16:10<stuckey>valdyn: how so? I got it from experimental
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16:11<valdyn>stuckey: no you didnt
16:11<valdyn>judd: versions nvidia-glx-ia32
16:11<judd>valdyn: nvidia-glx-ia32 --
16:11<valdyn>!versions nvidia-glx-ia32
16:12<stuckey>valdyn: I swear I used "-t experimental"
16:12<valdyn>stuckey: maybe you need to read up on what -t experimental does
16:12<valdyn>stuckey: -> it just makes experimental the prefered repo, not the only one
16:13<valdyn>stuckey: probably experimental has no nvidia-glx-ia32
16:13<stuckey>valdyn: Okay, so what do I do?
16:13<valdyn>stuckey: you can try apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx-ia32 && apt-get -t experimental -b source nvidia-glx-ia32
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16:14<valdyn>hossi: it works ok, you just have an unsupported mix of packages installed
16:14<valdyn>hossi: that means either package that are in repositories that are not enabled or packages that are not available at all
16:15<chealer>stuckey: are you aware that your version of the nvidia drivers is outdated?
16:15<hossi>valdyn: is there a fix for it?
16:15<stuckey>valdyn: okay so now I've a bunch of packages, which one's do I install
16:15<valdyn>hossi: yea, running plain debian stable
16:15<valdyn>stuckey: nvidia-glx-ia32
16:15<stuckey>valdyn: just that one?
16:15<valdyn>chealer: what does that have to do with anything?
16:15<valdyn>stuckey: yes
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16:15<hossi>valdyn: how? :)
16:16<dpkg>5.0 lenny is now the "stable" debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See for images. Etch is still available from Developers page is If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>.
16:16<stuckey>valdyn: Package nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 which provides nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 is not installed.
16:16<stuckey>valdyn: Package nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 which provides nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 is not installed.
16:16<chealer>valdyn: his drivers are not supported
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16:16<valdyn>chealer: his experimental drivers are "outdated too" ?
16:16<valdyn>judd: versions nvidia-glx
16:16<judd>valdyn: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 180.29-1
16:17<valdyn>ah, indeed
16:17<chealer>valdyn: the drivers he uses are not in experimental currently
16:17<valdyn>stuckey: why cant you use the lenny drivers?
16:17<valdyn>stuckey: instead of experimental?
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16:18<stuckey>valdyn: the drivers in Lenny (as I remember) don't support the 9800 GT card.
16:18<valdyn>stuckey: ok
16:18<valdyn>stuckey: you need to upgrade the experimental drivers too
16:18<stuckey>valdyn: but, someone in here told me to use experimental because of this.
16:18<stuckey>valdyn: but I don't know, maybe now the driver is in lenny? How would I find out?
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16:19<valdyn>stuckey: no, lenny driver doesnt change
16:19<stuckey>valdyn: oh that's right, lenny is stable, sorry.
16:19<valdyn>stuckey: follow your howto once more and install the experimental drivers the debian way
16:19<stuckey>valdyn: okay so maybe the driver is in testing now.
16:19<stuckey>valdyn: I dont' have to like undo anything, just refollow the how to?
16:19<hossi>valdyn: there is this small problem, I'm running alpha and it has no cd-reader :p
16:20<valdyn>hossi: i dont have time or patience to walk you thru a debian install or to assist you in downgrading, which is unsupported
16:20<lynko>stuckey: as far as I know, my brother use the nvidia driver that are in testing and he has the 9800GTX+
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16:20<stuckey>lynko: okay so I don't need experimental anymore.
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16:20<valdyn>hossi: so you get advice for free, but i cant do walkthrus, i got my hands full with stuckey ;)
16:21<valdyn>stuckey: the lenny and the testing drivers are currently identical
16:21<stuckey>valdyn: it's video drivers which have your hands full, not me.
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16:21<stuckey>valdyn: okay so I need experimental.
16:21<valdyn>stuckey: yea, just refollow the howto
16:21<chealer>stuckey: you mean unstable
16:21<stuckey>i'm confused.
16:22<valdyn>stuckey: ok, me too
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16:22<valdyn>stuckey: follow your howto, but for sid drivers, not experimental drivers
16:22<stuckey>valdyn: why did someone tell me to use experimental???
16:22<stuckey>valdyn: how do I use sid drivers?
16:22<valdyn>stuckey: i dont know
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16:22<chealer>stuckey: there are no nvidia drivers in experimental anymore. they were superceded by the version currently in unstabled.
16:22<stuckey>God I hate vidoe drivers
16:23<valdyn>stuckey: add sid sources, apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-ia32; m-a a-i nvidia
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16:23<valdyn>stuckey: damn, or something like that, the howto is better than me
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16:24<valdyn>i really hope that intel will release decent drivers for larrabie, free drivers
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16:24<chealer>valdyn: yeah...that may well compile an nvidia LKM from testing's source
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16:25<clodde>my lenny installation suffers from random lockups but usually i can still ssh into it. Where should i look for clues on what's happening? I already tried changing motherboard, ram and video card, already tried another kernel and uninstalled smartmontools which seemed to be related but it wasn't
16:25<stuckey>valdyn: what's larrabie?
16:26<chealer>stuckey: you need to set $VERSION to empty (or not), then follow the guide having in mind to always install from unstable. you can just verify at the end with the command you already used that everything is 180.29
16:26<valdyn>stuckey: a chip architecture, usable for graphics
16:26<stuckey>valdyn: is this somethign new? somethign nice?
16:27<valdyn>stuckey: unknown, its not released yet
16:27<stuckey>valdyn: hmmm interesting
16:27<valdyn>stuckey: it very well might be to pricey for desktops
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16:27<valdyn>stuckey: i dont know what they will do with it
16:27<stuckey>valdyn: I say this because I'm looking to buy a new motherboard (G45 intel possibly).
16:27<chealer>stuckey: seems to be larrabEe
16:28<valdyn>no factoid yet
16:28<valdyn>or that
16:29<chealer>valdyn: larrabee
16:29<valdyn>ok, thanks
16:30<chealer>clodde: what kind of lockups?
16:30<stuckey>I'd like to see some faster gpus from intel, that'd be cool
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16:31<clodde>chealer: i can't do anything, monitor retains last image
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16:31<valdyn>clodde: you need to log in via network to debug this
16:32<valdyn>clodde: or serial console
16:32<clodde>valdyn: i did login via ssh
16:32<clodde>but i don't know where to look at
16:32<clodde>i'm logged in now
16:32<chealer>clodde: is the system responsive via SSH?
16:32<valdyn>clodde: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:32<stuckey>valdyn: when I reconfigured the xserver it didn't ask me the questions that were talked about in the howto. Is this a problem?
16:32<valdyn>clodde: and restart gdm /etc/init.d/gdm restart
16:33<valdyn>stuckey: no
16:33<stuckey>valdyn: okay so now I need to restart X and test again?
16:33<clodde>valdyn: just a moment, i'll pastebin Xorg log
16:33<valdyn>stuckey: first verify that your nvidia packages versions match
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16:34<chealer>stuckey: see the first paragraph of
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16:34<valdyn>nvidia-glx-ia32 is not installed
16:35<valdyn>stuckey: the other stuff is ok
16:35<stuckey>valdyn: okay so I restart x and try again now?
16:36<stuckey>valdyn: wait, the guide didn't tell me to install that package.
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16:36<valdyn>stuckey: guess the guid writer did not use amd64
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16:37<stuckey>valdyn: okay so, I can just apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx${VERSION}-ia32?
16:37<valdyn>stuckey: no
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16:37<valdyn>stuckey: simply "apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx-ia32
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16:39<stuckey>valdyn: okay so now I restart x and test again?
16:39<valdyn>stuckey: no
16:39<valdyn>stuckey: quit X, modprobe -r nvidia; modprobe nvidia, start X, test again
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16:39<stuckey>valdyn: how do I quit x?
16:40<natanael>[ctrl]+[alt]+[backspace] will harkill your x
16:40<natanael>or what do you mean?
16:40<stuckey>No that restarts it.
16:40<stuckey>I want to quit X, and have a terminal.
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16:40<natanael>if you use kdm or gd
16:40<chealer>stuckey: see
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16:41<stuckey>chealer: not looking to restart, looking to quit X.
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16:41<natanael> /etc/init.d/kdm stop
16:41<natanael>or /etc/init.d/gdm stop
16:41<chealer>stuckey: oh, right. use "stop" instead of "restart"
16:42<natanael>i have also a xserver nvidia question
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16:42<natanael>i have to run "nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2" to get a smoother graphic
16:42<chealer>what are the short lines at the end of clodde's log?
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16:42<natanael>but i don't want to do this manualy
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16:43<stuckey>chealer: Be right back
16:43<natanael>so i search for a place, wher i can put commands, which will be executed, when the xserver starts
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16:43<natanael>or after the xserver started
16:43<clodde>i'm using kdm by the way and a radeon 9250 with default drivers
16:43<amphi>natanael: ~/.xsession
16:44<natanael>but i search for a global place
16:44<natanael>in /usr/share/xsessions i have to do it for every session
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16:45<lynko>maybe in a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ or in /etc/X11/Xsession
16:45<stuckey>valdyn: chealer: Screen is totally screwed now.
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16:46<stuckey>valdyn: like the right half of the screen is on the left, and the left half of the screen is on the right, and when I move the move far to the left, I see it appear from the right side of the screen.
16:46<clodde>i tried another video card and i still had the lockups, maybe i should try a third one
16:46<chealer>stuckey: not just in quake 4?
16:46<stuckey>chealer: not just in quake4, it's screwed in gdm/gnome.
16:46<stuckey>I see "ASUS" at the very top, and then below I see gdm login.
16:46<stuckey>it's really weird.
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16:47<valdyn>stuckey: maybe just restart
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16:47<stuckey>okay I reboot, be right back
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16:47*chealer doubts that will help
16:47<natanael>will restart x
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16:48<chealer>clodde: how often does it lock up?
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16:49<atzaus>does anyone know which debian mirror is the freshest?
16:49<stuckey>valdyn: okay works
16:49<stuckey>testing quake4 now
16:49<clodde>chealer: about once a day but not always at the same time
16:49<stuckey>valdyn: Sys_Error: SDL_SetVideoMode failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
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16:50<chealer>hum. valdyn, had you already seen a restart help with such problems before?
16:50<chealer>clodde: what was the previous card?
16:50<clodde>chealer: it doesn't seem related to heat since sometimes it locks up immediatly and sometimes at the end of session
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16:51<clodde>chealer: another radeon 9250 i borrowed froma friend on mine
16:51<clodde>chealer: i think i have a radeon 100 somewhere
16:51<clodde>chealer: i could try that one
16:51<chealer>clodde: aha. do you suspend your PC?
16:51<clodde>chealer: nope,never did
16:52<stuckey>Okay so now it looks like I don't have direct rendering.
16:52<clodde>chealer: i'm also suspectind raid software
16:52<clodde>chealer: *suspecting
16:53<stuckey>valdyn: Did you see the error message I just setn
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16:54<clodde>chealer: i recently built this pc because i wanted raid, with a used motherboard whic was fine with etch
16:54<chealer>so the log you posted is a log where nothing bad happened?
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16:55<clodde>chealer: the log is from ssh after lockup. pc is still locked up now
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16:55<clodde>chealer: i'm chatting from my laptop
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16:56<stuckey>I'm trying to launch quake4 but I'm getting this error: Sys_Error: SDL_SetVideoMode failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
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16:56<chealer>clodde: OK. I'm not an X expert not a recent radeon user, but I'm not familiar with the part after "#(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded"
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16:57<chealer>clodde: you may want to ask X people if that's suspicious, or to try figuring when the following lines are written
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16:58<chealer>clodde: otherwise, there are other system/kernel logs that may be worth a look
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16:58<lynko>stuckey: verify in your xorg.conf that you are using the nvidia driver
16:58<clodde>chealer: shoudn't be the last lines of log files be important in case of lockups?
16:59<stuckey>lynko: okay wierd... it's a totally new xorg
16:59<valdyn>stuckey: glxgears runs?
16:59<stuckey>valdyn: no, and I have a totally new xorg.
16:59<chealer>clodde: yes... (I guess I don't understand your question)
16:59<stuckey>valdyn: do I just X -configure?
16:59<valdyn>stuckey: no
16:59<valdyn>stuckey: glxgears gives which error?
17:00<stuckey>valdyn: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
17:00<stuckey>Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
17:00<stuckey>valdyn: You should know it's a generic Xorg.conf that I have right now. It isn't using the nvidia driver.
17:00<chealer>stuckey: paste your X log
17:00<valdyn>stuckey: ok, X -configure will probably do what you want
17:00<stuckey>okay, moment.
17:00<valdyn>stuckey: or just copy the old config back
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17:01<clodde>chealer: now i see, i thought those lines were way in before, sorry
17:02<chealer>clodde: oh
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17:04<clodde>chealer: chealer syslog seems to be ok
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17:05<stuckey>valdyn: 72191 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14438.168 FPS
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17:10<valdyn>stuckey: looks good
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17:10<chealer>stuckey: lucky you. I never had a machine run Quake 4 that good
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17:11<stuckey>valdyn: Quake4 looks awesome
17:11<clodde>chealer: my syslog if you should be interested:
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17:12<stuckey>valdyn: but I'm still getting these errors:
17:13<stuckey>chealer: you said it had something to do with the sound card?
17:13<valdyn>stuckey: so sound isnt working
17:13<valdyn>stuckey: or is it?
17:13<stuckey>valdyn: it seems to be working to me... but I still get those errors
17:13<valdyn>stuckey: just ignore them
17:14<chealer>clodde: I don't see anything interesting there, though it would help to know at what time the lockup happened
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17:15<chealer>stuckey: I didn't say anything about sound.
17:15<stuckey>chealer: yeah I think you said my soundcard was "shitting bricks"
17:15<stuckey>No wait, that was rainx
17:15*chealer tests an experimental memory treatment on stuckey.
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17:16<chealer>it was ranix, yes
17:18<stuckey>chealer: you know any other good games for linux?
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17:19<clodde>chealer: the lockup happened about at 21:30, nothing about that on syslog
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17:20<chealer>stuckey: my favorite game on Debian is Sid Meyer's Alpha Centauri. in free games, I like neverball, xmoto, tux racer, nexuiz.
17:21<chealer>clodde: OK, so that one doesn't help
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17:22<clodde>chealer: do you think there is any other log file i could check before restarting kdm?
17:23<clodde>chealer: there's a kdm.log
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17:25<clodde>chealer: my kdm.log:
17:25<chealer>clodde: I don't know what each log file does precisely, I look at /var/log/. if you have nothing in dmesg, debug, kern and messages, I don't know. *possibly* ~/.xsession-errors
17:26<chealer>clodde: kdm.log shouldn't help of Xorg.log doesn't
17:26<clodde>chealer: ok,i'm also keeping the files because they can be useful
17:28<clodde>chealer: just in case, with pastebin i can still access them later, thaks for your help
17:30<clodde>chealer: i think i'll try changing video card once more since two exact models could trigger the same bug. I'll try the radeon 100 (sic!)
17:30<chealer>clodde: only tried the radeon driver, right?
17:31<clodde>yes, the free one
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17:31<chealer>clodde: I forgot to suggest to try another one (vesa, if you want something easy)
17:32<clodde>chealer: errr
17:32<clodde>chealer: well,just for debug purposes lol
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17:33<chealer>clodde: well, probably. if that helps, you can look at another driver, another driver version or yet another card.
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17:34<clodde>chealer: yes, i'll do that way, i could also try radeon from experimental that should support more recent models, i mean with 3d accel
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17:42<Nazcafan_>does anyone here use a macbook?
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17:50<stuckey>chealer: doom3 is awesome
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17:53<chealer>stuckey: I only played the demo, but I remember there was an atmosphere.
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18:05<Nazcafan_>any macbook users here ?
18:05<adama>Nazcafan_: maybe, what is your question?
18:05<Nazcafan_>since last monday's update, the image in cheese has a green tone
18:05<beto983>Nazcafan: i have one
18:05<Nazcafan_>same thing for vlc
18:06<Nazcafan_>beto983, running squeeze?
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18:06<Nazcafan_>however, the colours are correct when using skype, I don't get what is wrong
18:07<beto983>Nazcfan, i'm fraid not
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18:08<beto983>Nazcafan, have you tried to re-install?
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18:08<Nazcafan_>no, it worked fine until last monday
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18:08<Nazcafan_>so I don't think it might help
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18:09<Lethias>Ranix: I'm back. lol I got the extended desktop done with out the official ati driver using the open source driver.
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18:10<beto983>Nazcafan, could be the video accelerator
18:10<Nazcafan_>beto983, what is the video accelerator?
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18:13<beto983>Nazcafan, try the following: turn it off, flip it over, take the power off and remove the battery for a few minutes....then put it back in and boot it
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18:14<Nazcafan_>beto983, wait, the image is fine using skype
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18:15<beto983>Nazcafan, it might not be affected by every app, i would try that as there is nothing to loose
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18:18<Knorrie>hi i'm trying to help someone out via vnc, she's using gnome, but most of the fonts are too small, it seems the settings in the appearance->fonts do not have any effect
18:19<Knorrie>the menu-bar font etc
18:20<Knorrie>gnome-settings-daemon seems to be running
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18:23<Nazcafan_>beto983, I'll try that
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18:28<i10neorg>Frustrating, my ssh problem was related to a closed source wireless driver of all things. <>
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18:32<bloom>what replaces kcontrol in kde4? how can I open a kde control panel from a terminal?
18:32<bloom>(from an xterm)
18:33<hollywoodb>bloom: systemsettings
18:33<bloom>hollywoodb: thanks. it's odd that dist-upgrade didn't install that for me
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18:42<Nazcafan>beto983, didn't work
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18:45<beto983>Nazcafan, shame, don't know what else you could do
18:45<Nazcafan>beto983, I think it is a software issue
18:46<Nazcafan>both cheese and skype rely on v4L
18:46<Nazcafan>and cheese used to work
18:46<Nazcafan>so I guess that in cheese and vlc case, something is in the way
18:46<beto983>yes, could be sw
18:47<beto983>a re-install wouldn't harm ;-)
18:47<Nazcafan>No reinstall, it is not worth it
18:47<Nazcafan>And I would get the exact same package that is problematic
18:47<beto983>i don't mean the whole OS
18:47<beto983>just the apps
18:47<Nazcafan>beto983, so reinstall what?
18:48<Nazcafan>vlc + cheese ?
18:48<beto983>probably V4L
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18:52<Nazcafan>beto983, I reinstalled it but to no avail
18:53<Nazcafan>will try to reconfigure it
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18:54<Nazcafan>didn't work either
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18:56<logosoinoi>Nazcafan: a beer usually fixes all my problems :)
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19:17<mib_letttc>hi there
19:17<mib_letttc>just a question
19:18<mib_letttc>what's the latest iceweasel version for lenny?
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19:18<azeem>mib_letttc: check
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19:20<mib_letttc>3.0.7 still in test mode?
19:20<azeem>mib_letttc: hrm?
19:21<azeem>what do you mean with "test mode"?
19:21<azeem>it's in testing, yes
19:21<azeem>the next stable release won't be out until 2010, probably
19:21<mib_letttc>so long?
19:21<mib_letttc>mozilla is at 3.0.8
19:21<azeem>or 2011, in fact, who knows
19:22<azeem>mib_letttc: what is RHEL at?
19:22<mib_letttc>isn't ice build from mozilla?
19:23<mib_letttc>sorry what is RHEL?
19:23<azeem>Red Hat Enterprise Linux
19:23<azeem>mozilla is either a project or a company
19:23<azeem>not a product
19:23<azeem>mib_letttc: the easy answer is: package versions in stable don't change until the next stable version is released
19:23<azeem>it's the definition of "stable"
19:24<azeem>so what is your question?
19:24<mib_letttc>i thought ice would be updated at the same time the official firefox
19:25<azeem>it got updated in unstable,no?
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19:25<mib_letttc>more or less
19:25<mib_letttc>not far behind
19:25<azeem>so wait till 3.0.8 is uploaded
19:25<azeem>not a big deal
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19:26<mib_letttc>ok..thanks for the reply ;)
19:28<mib_letttc>bye to all
19:28<mib_letttc>till next time
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19:46<WindmillObsessed>I'm new to IRC, using ubuntu, and trying to figure out how to use it
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19:48<hollywoodb>WindmillObsessed: well, you're in #debian on ubuntu's official channel is #ubuntu on
19:49<WindmillObsessed>yeah, I figured I was lost
19:49<WindmillObsessed>i just left the settings at default
19:51<WindmillObsessed>how do I change to
19:53<binarymutant>WindmillObsessed, /server
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20:10<leon_sm>donde estoy???
20:10<leon_sm>hola a todosss
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20:43<Ben90>i got a question
20:45<Ben90>anyone here?
20:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
20:46<Ben90>i just got a logitech
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20:46<Ben90>never nind
20:46<Ben90>it died
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20:49<Ben90>how do i make my system execute apple macintosh applications in debian if possible
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20:52<Ben90>cause I figured that apple uses the unix file structure i could take advantage of it
20:54<dondelelcaro>Ben90: not really possible, but see mol.
20:55<Ben90>what is MOL?
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20:55<Ben90>do tou mean Mac On Linux?
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20:59<dpkg>Mac-on-Linux, an open-source emulator for PowerPC computers. It can run PowerPC-based operating systems (Mac OS, Mac OS X, GNU/Linux) natively. Packaged for Debian as 'mol' (emulator), 'mol-modules-*' / 'mol-modules-source' (kernel module/sources) and 'mol-drivers-{macos,macosx,linux}' (OS drivers). See if using bundled OSX., #mol @
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21:05<Ben90>never mind but thanks anyway
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21:31<oigres>Does anybody knows what happened to wesside-ng in the package aircrack-ng ??? I'm running sid!
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21:34<oigres>Does anybody knows what happened to wesside-ng in the package aircrack-ng ??? I'm running sid!
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21:36<chealer>!tell oigres about ep
21:37<chealer>oigres: you seem to
21:37*abrotman thinks he wanted repeat
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21:39<gsimmons>oigres: See upstream's 1.0-rc3 changelog.
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21:43<bighornram>what do I need to install to be able to play mp4 movies in totem?
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21:54<brunner>I just installed amd64 on a dell server, and when it boots up, eth0 doesn't come up by default. Here's my /etc/network/interfaces file:
21:54<brunner>What could I have done wrong?
21:54<kop>!tell bighornram about multimedia
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21:56<kop>brunner : "ifconfig eth0" says what? And what if you try "ifup eth0"?
21:57<gsimmons>brunner: Using Lenny? What network controller is used?
21:57<kop>gsimmons : (forcedeth mac?)
21:57<brunner>kop: it came up fine manually. I put "iface eth0 net static" instead of "iface eth0 inet static"
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21:57<brunner>Sorry about that.
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21:58<zaccour>hey everyone
21:59<zaccour>i use ubuntu and am thinkin about tryin debian 5. is it as user friendly as ubuntu? does it automatically install dependencies?
22:00<zaccour>......... is there irc support for debian? .........................
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22:00<zaccour>anyone here?
22:01<zaccour>this sucks
22:01<zaccour>oh well, im out
22:04<dondelelcaro>zaccour: it automatically installs dependencies, and yes, you can get support on irc.
22:05<zaccour>is it just as user friendly?
22:05<dondelelcaro>it's fairly user friendly, but it isn't geared to a single install like ubuntu is
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22:07<ansichart>Hey, I am looking for some sort of program or method that will allow me to amplify sound, that's okay if it clips.
22:08<ansichart>I have some videos that have really loud music, but the voices are so hard to hear.
22:08<zaccour>dondelelcaro, what do you mean by single install?
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22:11<kop>zaccour : One size fits all.
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22:12<dondelelcaro>zaccour: in that you can install any number of configurations with a massive number of combinations of packages
22:12<kop>zaccour : If you like when you install debian you can get away with maybe 80MB of disk.
22:12<zaccour>i have an 8gb hard drive
22:12<kop>zaccour : Such a minimal install is useful for special purposes.
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22:13<kop>zaccour : So you've 1,000 times the amount of space you'd need for a minimal install.
22:14<zaccour>oh ok
22:14<zaccour>is there really any difference in installing software on ubuntu and debian?
22:14<zaccour>and uninstalling?
22:14<kop>zaccour : Oops, that's 100 times. Anyway, you can do find with 8G. Just don't install everything under the sun all at once.
22:15<kop>zaccour : I think debian has more packages available. But not by too much, dunno.
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22:16<zaccour>what i mean is installing and uninstalling software done exactly the same way?
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22:16<kop>zaccour : One difference is that debian does not include much multimedia by default. type "/msg dpkg multimedia" here for more info.
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22:16<kop>zaccour : You use the same program, yes.
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22:17<kop>zaccour : Dunno about exactly who uses what version. Depends on the OS version I guess.
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22:17<zaccour>Ubuntu is the only distro so far that i dont have issues with sound not working, just wanna make sure im getting into something thats just as user friendly and more stable
22:17<zaccour>kop, lenny
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22:18<kop>zaccour : That's hard to say. Some hardware is supported out of the box by Ubuntu, if there are proprietary programs needed to run it.
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22:18<Lethias>Why is it when i start a game in fullscreen that it knocks out my extended desktop?
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22:19<kop>zaccour : You'd have to activate separate debian repositories to get non-free stuff in debian. Then you might have to know what to ask for because the installer won't have installed it for you automatically. You might be able to tell people here more about your hardware and they might know.
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22:23<zaccour>one more question. is there a debian 5 live cd? i really wanna try it first
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22:24<superjet_busy>!tell zaccour -about debian live
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22:26<nani>hi everyone
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22:27<zaccour>is there a live cd for debian 5? i dont currently have debian installed already
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22:27<kop>!tell zaccour -about live
22:28<kop>zaccour : You'd have to activate separate debian repositories to get non-free stuff in debian. Then you might have to know what to ask for because the installer won't have installed it for you automatically. You might be able to tell people here more about your hardware and they might know.
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22:28<kop>zaccour : You may have to install additional stuff while running the live cd. You can install programs and such while running.
22:29<zaccour>if my audio works with the live cd i will try it out
22:29<zaccour>audio is pretty much always a distro problem when tryin new ones
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22:32<zaccour>the bot is tryin to be funny
22:33<shadouts>If my system is on perl-base_5.8.8 is there a way to upgrade it to 5.10? Trying to install 5.10 creates contradictions since it's a critical system program
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22:38<gravity>shadouts: That's hard. You could upgrade to lenny to get it
22:38<abrotman>shadouts: you really don't want to do that
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22:40<shadouts>yeah so it seems. I guess I'll just have to go with the upgrade
22:40<shadouts>lenny that is
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22:55<tommy>is anyone here?
22:55<ranix>I mean, yes
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22:56<tommy>anyone else use debian sid or sidux? I really love debian but i think it's a bit outdated unless you use sid
22:56<tommy>(openion (sp))
22:58<abrotman>do you actually have a support question?
22:58<tommy>isnt this channel for chat?
22:58<tommy>or is this just support?
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22:58<tommy>sorry if it's just support
22:58<ranix>I thought Stable was a little outdated when Potato was around. I used testing, which was woody at the time
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22:59<ranix>back then, there was a ~2 year evangelization period between releases
22:59<ranix>with Etch and Lenny so close to one another, ~1 yesr, I can't say that I think it's that far behind
22:59<tommy>ahh. one of my friends uses squeeze
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22:59<tommy>yeah etch is similar to lenny as far as i know
22:59<ranix>What packages are you complaining about in particular?
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23:00<tommy>networkmanager is the main one
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23:00<ranix>a lot of the "up-to-date"edness of other distributions (cough Ubuntu) is actually just what I'd describe as sloppy package maintenance
23:00<tommy>because i need the new one for it to work
23:00<tommy>i use sidux now
23:00<taziden>Hi, debian friends ! I get some issues rebuilding a package: mpdscribble.
23:00<ranix>!versions networkmanager
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23:00<abrotman>tommy: your support is in #sidux on
23:00<ranix>judd: versions networkmanager
23:00<judd>ranix: networkmanager --
23:00<abrotman>ranix: wrong bot
23:01<abrotman>judd: versions network-manager
23:01<judd>abrotman: network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6 lenny: 0.6.6-3 squeeze: 0.6.6-3 sid:
23:01<ranix>who would want that
23:02<ranix>you have iwconfig, ifconfig, and /etc/network/interfaces
23:02<abrotman>i haven't figured that out either :)
23:02<taziden>and iw now
23:03<ranix>I'm not a big fan of learning esoteric command-line programs (actually I am, but let's pretend), but the only thing worse than that is click-and-pray interfaces for configuration
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23:40<Guest463>don't really know how to use this program.
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23:41<Steven_M>hi all
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23:43<Student>i failed when i tried to do ---> apt-get install openoffice
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23:45<Student>how can i check a package in the package repository ?
23:45<Student>help dpkg
23:45<gsimmons>Student: You probably want '' instead.
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23:45<Student>i tried that too
23:46<Student>i meant sorry
23:46<Student>that worked
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23:47<shze|laptop>can someone point me to a tutorial or similar on how to write shell scripts working in different shells, e.g. bash and csh? I can't find any..
23:49<jrabbit>shze|laptop: run it see what breaks
23:49<jrabbit>BASH is VERY diffrent
23:49<jrabbit>esp in scripting from others
23:49<jrabbit>you mgiht want to transalte it toan older tpye liek SH
23:50<shze|laptop>setenv and export for an first example
23:50<jrabbit>it might be easier to start there ratehr then with BASHisms
23:50<jrabbit>you're not talking deep scripting then
23:50<jrabbit>if it doesn't contain if's etc its not going to be that hard
23:50<jrabbit>jsut have to find the lowest common tool
23:50<shze|laptop>I have some if, but it's still not very deep
23:51<jrabbit>enoguh that you shoudl have many bashisms
23:51<shze|laptop>true :)
23:51<shze|laptop>actually tcshisms, since it was written in tcsh ;)
23:52<jrabbit>BASH is one of the big ones thats diffrent
23:52<jrabbit>thats why when ubuntu linked DASH to SH, BASH scripts not cvallign bash directly broke
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