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00:01<dkonissper>why everyone is so quiet??
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00:12<diego>Hi there ... I would like to convert my filesystem to an encrypted filesystem
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00:12<diego>I already backed up ... but I would like to do this without reinstalling
00:12<diego>any chance ?
00:13<diego>I would like my computer to ask a password at boot to be able to mount the disk
00:13<Brigolin>with encfs ?
00:13<diego>I dont really know any programs hehe ... I will look encfs
00:14<Brigolin>So if you will a password at boot, look for TrueCrypt
00:16<diego>so, I also have a windows installed in other partition ... this wont make any mess right lol ?
00:17<Brigolin>Sorry I don't know, you better have a backup befor trying :)
00:18<diego>I do have a back up ... but I would really love not to spend time on that
00:18<diego>funny thing is the back up is not crypted ... I will have to do that too lol
00:20<Brigolin>I understand :)
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00:59<kimerop>how convert mpeg to mp4?
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01:01<Nemoder>kimerop: try avidemux from debian-multimedia
01:01<kimerop>i watch ffmpeg and later mp4creator
01:02<superjet_busy>kimerop: ffmpeg or mencoder
01:02<kimerop>avi and later mp4
01:02<Nemoder>avidemux uses ffmpeg
01:02<kimerop> i try
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01:21<sombir>what is debian lenny ??
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01:21<dpkg>hmm... lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <release history>, <installer firmware>.
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01:22<sombir>is any one there??
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01:30<nine16ths>in attempting to go from etch->lenny, when issuing "apt-get install apt dpkg," why do i get the following: "apt: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 is to be installed"
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01:30<streuner>nine16ths: please show us your sources.list in
01:31<nine16ths>one moment
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01:33<streuner>did you run "apt-get update"?
01:33<nine16ths>yes, immediately before
01:34<jm_>check apt config/preferences
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01:34<nine16ths>jm_: for?
01:34<jm_>nine16ths: default-release if specified
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01:36<nine16ths>i do not have an /etc/apt/preferences file
01:36<jm_>how about apt.conf?
01:37<nine16ths>don't have that either
01:37<nine16ths>and there is not default-release specified in the apt.conf.d files
01:38<nine16ths>just TrustCDROM and a Pre-Install-Pkgs directive
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01:41<trb>got problems with xfidrv and lenny amd64 :(
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01:41<trb>The page on the debian wiki is gone unfortunately
01:41<streuner>nine16ths: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
01:41<trb>so I compiled myself but I get lots of errors when I try to start the service
01:42<jm_>nine16ths: run apt-cache policy apt
01:42<trb>all about invalid .ko files
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01:43<nine16ths>streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
01:44<mxldr>hey- this isn't debian related, but since debian users are the smartest people i know (at least on irc), i will pose this question to you guys: in a school research project, i found that baseball players with nicknames earn less than those with nicknames. can u think why this is true? this is for my stats class.
01:44<brunner>what's the command for that curses kernel configuration tool?
01:44<jm_>!tell brunner -about menuconfig
01:44<trb>players with nicknames earn less that players with nicknames?
01:45<streuner>nine16ths: well, did you read <release notes> for lenny yet?
01:45<brunner>jm_: thanks!
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01:45<streuner>nine16ths: and try to install libc6 for lenny first, IMHO
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01:45<mxldr>yes, players WITH nicknames earn less than players without nicknames
01:46<nine16ths>streuner: yes. should i be using aptitude instead?
01:46<trb>(/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/ssound/ctossrv.ko) <- thats one of the invalid modules
01:46<mxldr>and i don;t understand why- i thought it would be the otherway around, but using R and a MySQL database of baseball stats, we found the opposite to be true
01:46<mxldr>and i am stumped as to what might cause that
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01:47<mxldr>I thought that better players would earn nicknames, thus those with nicks would be higher paid
01:47<mxldr>but that is not the case, and i cant think why
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01:47<cate>on my new laptop (with ati radeon hd), the x screen remain blank. No errors on the logs (but one unrecognized value), but anyway blank scree. Some sugestions?
01:48<jm_>nine16ths: did you check the apt-cache output then?
01:48<mxldr>any ideas?
01:49<jm_>nine16ths: how about for libc6 package? the one for apt is OK
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01:53<trb>well, if anyones interested:
01:53<trb>those are the errors I get.
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01:54<chealer>nine16ths: what does # apt-get install libc6; output?
01:54<jm_>nine16ths: that looks fine too
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01:55<chealer>cate: which driver do you use?
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01:56<jm_>nine16ths: I would just try aptitude instead
01:56<chealer>nine16ths: you can continue, if you don't mind temporarily losing some non-essential packages
01:57<cate>chealer: radeonhd
01:57<chealer>cate: did you try with other drivers?
01:58<trb>also this is the dmesg output when I try to start ctsound:
01:58<cate>chealer: no
01:58<jm_>cate: does the driver support your card?
01:58<chealer>cate: try with with other drivers. for example vesa
01:59<brunner>why is my curses shit all make up of pluses and dashes instead of ASCII characters?
02:01<cate>jm_: I think yes, or /var/log/X*.log would write an error. Now I'll try vesa
02:01<jm_>brunner: try export TERM=linux
02:01<jm_>cate: check the man page
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02:01<brunner>jm_: hmm, no good. now it's got white backgrounds in weird places
02:01<brunner>jm_: I'm connected via SSH
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02:02<jm_>brunner: what was TERM set to previously?
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02:02<brunner>I didn't check =/
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02:03<nine16ths>jm_: is the output from "aptitude install apt dpkg"
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02:03<nine16ths>jm_, chealer: should i be worried about doing this remotely?
02:03<brunner>I forgot I was using screen. Maybe that was the problem.
02:04<jm_>right, try without screen first
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02:04<brunner>yeah, that fixed it. sorry.
02:04<chealer>nine16ths: the upgrade in general? on a server?
02:05<nine16ths>chealer: yes
02:05<nine16ths>here comes the buzzkill
02:06<brunner>does menyconfig have a search function?
02:06<jm_>nine16ths: hmm you seem to have libc6-i386 installed
02:06<jm_>brunner: yes
02:06<nine16ths>i do?
02:06<chealer>nine16ths: you should start by fixing your system (broken packages)
02:07<cate>jm_, chealer: hmm. also VESA seems not to work. No errors, but only a warning "No valid modes left Trying less strict filters". Now I'll try to put right monitor resolution on xorg.conf
02:07<brunner>jm_: awesome, I see it now. thanks.
02:08<jm_>nine16ths: nevermind, that looks standard for etch
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02:08<nine16ths>is installing libc6-i386 on an amd64 install bad?
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02:08<chealer>cate: which chipset is in question?
02:08<nine16ths>i was trying to get some 32-bit binaries to run way back when...
02:08<nine16ths>i seem to remember that working
02:08<chealer>nine16ths: presumably not. it's specifically for amd64
02:09<brunner>what are the consequences of adjusting the kernel timer frequency?
02:10<cate>chealer: ATI Radeon HD 3400
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02:10<chealer>cate: oh, and which Debian suite do you use?
02:11<nine16ths>chealer: ok seriously, is doing the update remotely a seriously bad idea?
02:11<trb>does anyone think this is because newer kernels are SLUB instead of SLAB?
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02:11<cate>chealer: sid (but same problem also with lenny).
02:11<brunner>I found a good answer (regarding kernel timer frequency) here:
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02:12<jm_>trb: did you get no errors when building this thing? where did you find it?
02:12<chealer>nine16ths: I never upgraded a remote server by a release, but it must depend on the availability you aim for.
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02:13<trb>I found it on the main debian site jm_
02:13<trb>jm_, no errors while building, just when I do /etc/init.d/ctsound start
02:13<nine16ths>purging the 32-bit compatibility libs does not seem to resolve the problem
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02:14<jm_>nine16ths: yeah that's where I noticed the libc6 thing - in general you should be OK, but I doubt anywone will answer "yes" to your question :)
02:15<chealer>cate: does radeonhd support that?
02:15<nine16ths>jm_, chealer: thanks
02:15<jm_>nine16ths: be careful when it asks to restart services (i.e. ssh) - your current connection will remain, but you won't be able to connect another instance if needed
02:15<jm_>chealer: man page in lenny says it does
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02:16<nine16ths>jm_: screen is my friend
02:16<jm_>nine16ths: won't help you if you won't be able to connect
02:17<nine16ths>jm_: i usually start a telnetd as a failsafe
02:17<chealer>jm_: I suppose you're seeing "M82 Mobility Radeon HD 3400 " like I do?
02:17<cate>chealer: yes (according xorg doc). Reviews on ubuntu seems ok. But vesa don't work, so I think the problem is not really on driver but maybe on screen size etc.
02:17<jm_>chealer: indeed
02:18<jm_>cate: paste your Xorg.0.log file on pastebin when you try to start it
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02:18<nine16ths>jm_, chealer: i appreciate your help, guys. i will try to revisit this tomorrow night, i'm beat...
02:18<chealer>cate: is that what you're using (a Mobility Radeon)?
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02:19<jm_>must be, he started with on my new laptop :)
02:19<chealer>nine16ths: you'll need more than that, indeed. good night
02:19<chealer>cate: what do you mean by on screen size?
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02:21<jm_>trb: did you run depmod -a after installing the drivers?
02:21<trb>jm_: no didn't know I needed to. doing that still doesnt fix it.
02:22<cate>jm_, chealer:
02:23<jm_>trb: the symbols it's complaining about are all part of that xfi thing
02:24<chealer>cate: so an unknow card, yeah... do you use a Mobility Radeon?
02:24*chealer is not sure if jm_ already answered that
02:25<trb>jm_: I dont know of any other driver, this is just the one the official debian wiki told me to use. :/
02:25<cate>chealer: * M82: Mobility Radeon HD 3400
02:25<jm_>cate: what does lspci -nn say for it?
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02:26<jm_>trb: did depmod -a help?
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02:26<chealer>cate: which version of xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd do you use?
02:26<trb>err wrong window sorry
02:26<Nazcafan>where can I get old versions of debian packages?
02:27<jm_>!tell Nazcafan -about snapshot
02:27<Nazcafan>thanks jm
02:27<cate>jm_ ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeom HD 3400 Series [1002:95c4]
02:28<chealer>jm_: thanks, I didn't notice that 3400 was in the manpage
02:28<chealer>Nazcafan: as jm_ sent you, if you're lucky
02:28<cate>chealer: version 1.2.1-2
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02:29<Nazcafan>chealer, ?
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02:29<chealer>cate: strange, that's supported according to the manpage. did you try another radeonhd version? say experimental's
02:29<chealer>Nazcafan: that site is lacks care since several months. many packages aren't there.
02:29<cate>Now I'll try the expermental. I just noted that unstable is old
02:30<chealer>s/is lacks/lacks/
02:30<Nazcafan>chealer, ah
02:30<jm_>cate: xorg wiki says for Version 1.2.2: Added support for RV770, RS780, M82, M86, and M88
02:30<jm_>cate: how much RAM does it have (the main RAM, not gfx)?
02:31<cate>4GM, I'm running amd64 arch
02:31<brunner>Is there any reason I shouldn't turn off "Kernel Debugging" when compiling a kernel for a production server?
02:31<jm_>cate: their wiki says there are known problems with it if laptop has more than 2G of RAM :)
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02:32<chealer>cate: hum, that may be non-trivial. you may have to recompile it
02:32<jm_>cate: ohh that's only for ASUS laptops (apparently) - does that fit?
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02:32<cate>jm_: no: it is a hp
02:32<jm_>brunner: are you sure you want to compile your own kernel for a production server when you are asking such question?
02:33<brunner>jm_: I'm only changing one option, other than that
02:33<Nazcafan>chealer, I only found triton packages...
02:34<trb>this is weird, my make command doesnt show its output
02:34<jm_>cate: right, it's a bit weird, looks like debian applies patches for 1.2.1
02:34<jm_>brunner: based on debian config or what?
02:34<brunner>jm_: yes
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02:35<jm_>brunner: ok then
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02:38<chealer>jm_: strange, because upstream 1.2.1's man page says that M82 is supported
02:38<brunner>if I have eight physical CPU cores (as in, no hyperthreading), should I use a CONCURRENCY_LEVEL of 8 or 9?
02:39<brunner>everyone seems to think you should add 1 to the number of cores
02:39<jm_>chealer: hmm but if you go to and look for changes in 1.2.2, then I would assume not
02:40<brunner>I'm sticking with 8 unless somewhere here tells me otherwise.
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02:41<shantanu>hi folks
02:41<shantanu>anyone out there?
02:41<chealer>jm_: yeah. that's contradictory
02:41<jm_>brunner: for builidng the kernel? somewhere along the lines of 20 if you dare
02:41<cate>chealer, jm_ : the experimental version works fine! :-)
02:42<chealer>cate: just curious, did you recompile it?
02:42<brunner>jm_: why 20? I have four dual-core Opterons
02:42<cate>no, installed from experimental
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02:42<brunner>I guess you're suggesting there'd be no waiting on IO?
02:42<jm_>brunner: to really use all cores all the time - otherwise I/O will slow you down, i.e. with dual core one would use 6
02:42<brunner>my disks are SAS, RAID 1
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02:43<jm_>but even 8 or 9 will probably make it very fast :)
02:43<chealer>cate: OK, so you upgraded xserver-xorg. great
02:43<jm_>I use make -j 6 on dual core desktops
02:43<EmleyMoor>Since last week I have had some strange warnings appearing in my flexbackup logs on the backup of my squeeze box - I can't see how it got into this mess though.
02:44<cate>chealer: lookly also on my desktop I installed experimetnal, so I just copied the pinning things
02:44<cate>experimental xorg
02:44<chealer>[jm_] am I missing a blame feature on gitweb ( I'm looking at )?
02:45<cate>chealer, jm_ : thanks!
02:45<brunner>The changelog says we are creating
02:45<brunner>However, I thought the version is ..-7-1-brunner
02:45<brunner>hmmm.... what did I do wrong?
02:46<brunner>root@sw01:~/src/linux-source-2.6.27# fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-7-1-brunner kernel-image kernel-headers
02:46<jm_>chealer: as in git annotate?
02:47<chealer>cate: it's a pleasure
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02:47<chealer>jm_: I never ran git...that sounds like blame. is that available on the web?
02:47<jm_>brunner: I am not quite sure which part is bothering you
02:48<brunner>jm_: the "make: *** [debian/stamp-conf] Error 3" part, really
02:48<EmleyMoor>There isn't even any NFS involved...
02:48<brunner>jm_: what's wrong with my command?
02:48<brunner>or, rather, what's wrong with the flags I'm passing
02:49<EmleyMoor>Looks rather like a filesystem breakage
02:49<jm_>chealer: doesn't look like it
02:49<EmleyMoor>Not the sort of thing I could put right without being at the maghine either
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02:50<jm_>brunner: I don't see any errors, but you typically need to look further up when make reports an error
02:50<jm_>especially with -j X
02:50<jm_>ahh heh there's git blame too
02:50<chealer>jm_: thanks anyway
02:51<EmleyMoor>fs seems clean though
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02:52<EmleyMoor>ls -l shows this for /usr/lib64: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? lib64
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02:53<EmleyMoor>Funny modes and owners for other warned-about files too
02:54<brunner>there's not a kernel option required to do the --append-to-version thing, right?
02:54<jm_>brunner: use --append-to-version=7-1-brunner I think, trying to find it in the source
02:55<brunner>that's what I did: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-7-1-brunner kernel-image kernel-headers
02:55<brunner>oh oh
02:55<brunner>take out the initial dash
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02:56<brunner>jm_: thanks. I'll try --append-to-version=.1-brunner
02:59<jm_>hmm I was thinking it's kernel build that adds '-', but it doesn't
03:00<brunner>well using a period seemed to make it happy, but now I've got another problem
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03:02<brunner>it's trying to build for xen for some reason
03:02<brunner>Makefile:528: /root/src/linux-source-2.6.27/arch/xen/Makefile: No such file or directory
03:02<nas>guys when you install openssl how to make ssl passwordless?
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03:06<EmleyMoor>If I could fix lib64 I could deal with fixing the rest - but I can't do anything with it
03:06<jm_>nas: your question doesn't make much sense to me
03:08*chealer agrees with jm_
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03:27<Dandre>I am searching for a tool that can display all dns information for a domain. which one do you suggest?
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03:29<pos>Dandre: `host -l`
03:30<Dandre>; Transfer failed.
03:33<simonrvn>means the remote server doesn't allow axfr and such queries
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03:34<Dandre>so there is no way
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04:05<frood>the user "reboot" that appears in last.. does that only appear if a reboot is issued? Or can it also appear if the server is hard power cycled?
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04:17<siryoga>Hello, in Lenny mp3blaster says "Failed to open sound device" after I played flash movie in web browser (firefox). However it wokrs fine after firefox killed. Any thoughts? thanks.
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04:18<christoph>oss without mixer?
04:18<jm_>or alsa withotu dmix
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04:19<siryoga>Im using alsamixer.
04:20<christoph>but are both firefox/flash an mp3blaster using your alsa mixer?
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04:23<siryoga>not sure how to check mixer in firefox. plugin was installed from abobe site.
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04:24<jm_>try starting mp3blaster via aoss
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04:28<siryoga>hint with aoss helped. thanks jm_.
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04:29<christoph>so mp3blaster misses an Depends: on oss-compat
04:30<jm_>why do you think it's missing it?
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04:37<Prathibha>How to upload a new package to debian?
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04:39<dpkg>A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
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04:40<bhagya>I am using lenny. I have installed crack to test my passwords. when i did run Crack -nice 10 /etc/passwd it did not show up anything.
04:41<bhagya>how do i check about the veracity of the apsswords ?
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04:49<keith>Debian 5. I dist-upgrade from 4 to 5 successfully except I cannot gat X to work. With 'starts' gives error Messages (EE) Failed to load module "vesa" (module does not exist, 0) and (EE) No drivers available. Any help?
04:49<streuner>lspci -v | grep VGA
04:50<richi_>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-vesa <- maybe is the vesa driver missing?
04:52<jm_>but why use vesa in first place?
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04:53<richi_>first he should do what "streuner" says, to know wich graficcard he has...
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04:56<keith>Streuner, richi_, jm_ Thanks, I'll try lpsi and work from there.
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05:42<keith>debian 5. I dist-upgraded from 4 to 5 successfully except that X does not work. I have a VGA compatible controller by VIA Technologies but appears I must install a suitable module. Since there are quite a few available would installing a wrong one do damage or would it simply not work but without doing any harm. From the lists 'xserver-xorg-video-v4l seems to be an obvious choice. Any help here?
05:42<jm_>keith: no damage will occur, just install xorg package
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05:48<jm_>video-v4l would be your last choice ;)
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05:49<keith>Is that x11-common?
05:50<jm_>no, the package is called "xorg" - install that and it will install all drivers, I'm quite surprised you don't have it installed already
05:50<jm_>or them rather
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05:51<mateusz>nautilus gnome-applets gnome-panel seems not to installable
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05:55<keith>jm_ It is installed but broken. ie startx does not work. Do I have to purge and re install xorg?
05:55<fastidio>hi folks, it is possible that kde packages in experimental are older than sid
05:55<jm_>keith: no, paste your Xorg.0.log on a pastebin
05:56<jm_>fastidio: yes
05:56<mateusz>keith, ?
05:56<mateusz>keith, whats broken? gnome?
05:57<mateusz>yes its broken in sid now, since latest update gnome-panel, gnome-applets and nautilus are not installable
05:57<jm_>no he has other issues
05:57<keith>mateusz. No xorg. well at least 'strtx does not work.
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06:02<fastidio>jm_: may you tell me why?
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06:04<jm_>fastidio: because kde4 is now in unstable
06:05<fastidio>jm_: ok, i understand
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06:06<fastidio>but, why there's not in experimental something new about kde?
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06:06<fastidio>this is what i don't understand
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06:08<jm_>fastidio: the latest kde release is 4.2.2 - check the version in unstable ...
06:09<mateusz>compiz is in conflict with gnome
06:10<mateusz>mostly because it relays on new metacity
06:10<fastidio>jm_: I know that the latest kde release is 4.2.2, and that is in sid; but why insert an older version in experimental and not something like a kdesvn snapshots??
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06:11<jm_>fastidio: who cares, people who use experimental don't have a problem with it (or shouldn't anyway)
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06:23<maurizio>buon giorno a tutti
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06:25<maurizio>ho appena installato la lenny 5.0 da netinst e... nn mi funziona più la wifi :( - fino a un'ora fa avevo con una etch aggiornata a lenny e andava tutto bene (uso sch. wireless intel pro wireless 3945)
06:26<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:26<maurizio>perchè i moduli iwlwifi che sono nel kernel non riconoscono la scheda?
06:28<fastidio>ciao maurizio
06:28<fastidio>che problema hai?
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06:35<maurizio>ciao fastidio
06:35<maurizio>ho installato la lenny 5 da netinst
06:35<maurizio>ma nn riesco a far funzionare la scheda wifi
06:36<maurizio>prima con la etch (aggiornata a lenny) andava tutto bene, perchè mi ero scaricato i moduli iwlwifi a mano
06:37<maurizio>ora a quanto pare starebbero già nel kernel ma ifconfig nn rileva la scheda e iwconfig nn esiste neanche come comando.... sn un po' confuso
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07:20<Guest7>Hello! I am in trouble. Yesterday there was a kernel update. So my pc does not boot anymore.
07:21<Guest7>I have got a raid using dmraid for my /
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07:21<Guest7>I tried to repair grub using a live cd
07:21<Guest7>./dev/mapper/pdc_bhhchfbea1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
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07:22<jm_>use grub-install --recheck - or simply boot the old kernel
07:23<Guest7>jm_, just getting the grub-error-console when booting from the harddisk
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07:23<Guest7>Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
07:23<Guest7>Unknown partition table signature
07:23<Guest7>/dev/mapper/pdc_bhhchfbea1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
07:24<Guest7>When using the recheck-option
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07:25<jm_>Guest7: and you're installing it where?
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07:26<Guest7>jm_, grub-install --recheck /dev/mapper/pdc_bhhchfbea1
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07:28<jm_>Guest7: yeah I don't think that'll work
07:29<Guest7>jm_, What else can I try to get it working_
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07:30<jm_>Guest7: to be honest, I am not quite sure what to tell you with regards to grub and dmraid - you could easily lose your info
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07:32<jm_>Guest7: ahh debian wiki has docs on installing it properly
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08:32<john_>anyone home/??
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08:32<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>
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08:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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08:34<john_>ohh, ok, iwas just rtying to get the chat to work in the first place to go onto a different chat, just wundering wethr it was working. thanx then
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08:34<john_>do u knwo any good channels for general chat???
08:35<john_>kk thanx
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08:52*dpkg pours a bag of popcorn into dpkg's lap. (You probably mean popcon, ask me about "popcon")
08:52<dpkg>methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
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09:22<ChienMangerChat>Hi all
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09:24<ChienMangerChat>I am currently working on a debian package, I have got an error : dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs : Depends}
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09:24<ChienMangerChat>can anyone help me ?
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09:24<azeem>ChienMangerChat: see what's the correct variable name by looking at other source packages
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09:25<ChienMangerChat>the variable seems to be correct
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09:26<azeem>so then it means that no values got substituted for ti
09:26<azeem>ChienMangerChat: what programming language is this package in?
09:26<ChienMangerChat>the package is in C
09:27<azeem>what's the full Depends line?
09:28<ChienMangerChat>if no lib is found, the shlibs should be deleted by the dh_gencontrol
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09:28<ChienMangerChat>azeem : Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, adduser
09:28<ChienMangerChat>azeem : Depends: ${shlibs: Depends}, ${misc: Depends}, adduser
09:28<ChienMangerChat>the problem is the same with misc: Depends
09:29<azeem>there's two Depends lines?
09:29<ChienMangerChat>no, only one, sorry, it war for the smiley
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09:29<azeem>ChienMangerChat: so which one is it?
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09:29<ChienMangerChat>: D
09:29<ChienMangerChat>its : Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, adduser
09:30<azeem>my irc client doesn't display smileys
09:30<azeem>ChienMangerChat: where is your staging directory? debian/tmp ?
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09:32<ChienMangerChat>if there is nothing to substitute, does the error should be there ?
09:32<azeem>ChienMangerChat: pastebin the output of "find debian/mypackage"
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09:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
09:33<ChienMangerChat>there is nothing to find in mypackage directory
09:33<azeem>then that's the problem
09:33<azeem>probably the resulting .deb does not have the binary either
09:34<ChienMangerChat>the mypackage directory is delete after the .deb is created
09:34<azeem>why is that?
09:35<Lethalman>ChienMangerChat: using pbuilder?
09:35<ChienMangerChat>Lethalman: no
09:36<ChienMangerChat>the package will be built in the debian/tmp directory
09:36<ChienMangerChat>but will be removed after compiling, no ?
09:36<azeem>ChienMangerChat: moved
09:36<Lethalman>no it shouldn't
09:37<azeem>I was asking about the staging directory and suggested it might be debian/tmp
09:37<ChienMangerChat>with dh_clean ?
09:37<azeem>ChienMangerChat: why do you run dh_clean after the .deb is built?
09:37<ChienMangerChat>in order to clean ;)
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09:37<ChienMangerChat>i should not ?
09:37<ChienMangerChat>i will test
09:37<azeem>ChienMangerChat: think about it your self
09:38<ChienMangerChat>i do not need it
09:38<ChienMangerChat>if the .deb is built
09:38<azeem>apparently you do
09:38<azeem>because you got an issue, and debian/mypackage is empty
09:38<azeem>so there's no way to debug this
09:39<ChienMangerChat>ok, i am building without dh_clean after
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09:39<ChienMangerChat>so my package name is : ser
09:39<Lethalman>ChienMangerChat: you only need dh_clean in the clean rule
09:39<ChienMangerChat>it's in the clean rule ;)
09:40<azeem>why do you run the clean rule?
09:40<azeem>ChienMangerChat: please pastebin your debian/rules
09:40<ChienMangerChat>i have a makefile that run : install, then binary-common, then clean ;)
09:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
09:41<azeem>ChienMangerChat: use debuild or dpkg-buildpackage or something
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09:42<ChienMangerChat>my debian/rules
09:43<azeem>you need dh_clean in the clean rule
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09:43<azeem>please read the Debian policy on how .debs are built
09:43<ChienMangerChat>it's just commented
09:44<ChienMangerChat>i red it
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09:44<azeem>does it say you have to run "install, then binary-common, then clean" ?
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09:44<azeem>I think not
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09:44<azeem>so please come back with the real error message and/or the content of your staging directory once you did a clean build
09:45<ChienMangerChat>ok, thanks
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09:46<EagleScreen>is it possible to install Debian Testing/Sid on ext4 partition?
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09:59<ChienMangerChat>azeem: Hello back
09:59<ChienMangerChat>azeem: Now i am building my package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
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10:00<ChienMangerChat>and i am still having the error with ${shlibs:Depends}
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10:02<BlueG>attempting to install evolution from testing from source on stable gives: "E: Build-Depends dependency for evolution cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libgtkhtml3.14-dev can satisfy version requirements", why isn't there an appropriate version available, and is this something I can work around, or is it not installable on stable?
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10:05<ChienMangerChat>I am building my package from a subversion directory, how can I do to change the package version with the svn revision number automatically ?
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10:11<azeem>ChienMangerChat: so what's the content of debian/tmp?
10:12<ChienMangerChat>i do not have debian tmp, but i have debian/ser.
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10:12<ChienMangerChat>ser is my package
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10:12<azeem>so what is that content?
10:12<azeem>ChienMangerChat: also, pastebin debian/control
10:13<ChienMangerChat>and the debian/control :
10:13<azeem>and the output of "file debian/ser/usr/sbin/*"
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10:16<azeem>and it still talks about shlibs:Depends or just misc:Depends?
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10:16<ChienMangerChat>the two of them
10:16<azeem>also, while building which package exactly?
10:17<ChienMangerChat>I build all package at one time
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10:17<ChienMangerChat>how can i build one package only ?
10:18<azeem>that probably mean dh_shlibdepds assumes files are in debian/tmp
10:19<azeem>in general, you have to run dh_shlibdepds once for every package you build
10:19<azeem>I'm not sure this is the case here
10:19<azeem>but without seeing the build log it's hard to tell
10:19<ChienMangerChat>i will pastebin it
10:20<ga_bash>hey guys... how to upload a file to an ftp server... i am running a ftp server and i have created a /home/ftp/pub directory to which i have set permissisons 777 and i have also allowed anon_perm=YES in the config file.. but stil i am not able to do it from a remote system
10:21<erich>ga_bash: there are probably a dozen different FTP servers that are all configured differently...
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10:21<ga_bash>erich, i am using vsftp
10:22<ga_bash>erich but they share the same command database
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10:22<ChienMangerChat>azeem : there is the end of the build log :
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10:23<azeem>euh, set LANG=C next time so you don't paste non-english output
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10:25<azeem>ChienMangerChat: if you count, you get the warning 12 times, no?
10:25<ChienMangerChat>12 for shlibs and 1 for misc
10:25<azeem>so it's highly unlikely that the problem is for the ser package
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10:26<azeem>hrm, it's 12 packages total, I take that back
10:27<azeem>ChienMangerChat: I guess debian/substvars get overwritten each time by the dh_shlibdeps output for the next package
10:27<azeem>and the last package does not have any binaries in standard paths, so shlibs:Depends is empty
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10:28<ChienMangerChat>can i build each package separtly ?
10:28<ChienMangerChat>or can i create a substvars for each package ?
10:29<ChienMangerChat>package.substvars perhaps ?
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10:30<azeem>ChienMangerChat: you need to do it like CDBS - run dh_shlibdepds dh_gencontrol and dh_builddeb for each package one after the other, then go to the next package
10:30<azeem>I guess
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10:31<ChienMangerChat>I don't understand how to do that ?
10:31<ChienMangerChat>i have to run it manually ?
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10:34<azeem>ChienMangerChat: run dh_* with the -p$(PACKAGE) option for each package, your debian/rules already has support for that
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10:35<ga_bash>gsimmons, i am not able to upload a file to my ftp server though i have configured write_enable=YES,anonymous_enable=YES,write_enable=YES,anon_upload_enable=YES
10:36<ga_bash>i have created /home/ftp/pub which is set to 777
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10:38<gsimmons>ga_bash: Refer to the FAQ and documentation. Failing that, try asking in #vsftpd on freenode.
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10:38<ga_bash>gsimmons, great help thanks... :)
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11:15<ChienMangerChat>azeem : Thank you very much, it do not work then but it is better, I think, it will work soon
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11:40<marcosRz>I'm trying to upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze but it seems that its goint to brake the gnome packages since its going to be removed, so, I want to know if this operation is safe or not.
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11:44<microm-78>hola a todos, como les a ido.
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11:46<microm-78>speaking spanish?
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11:47<microm-78>i need setting a ftp server, Someone can help me?
11:48<klh>apt-cache search ftpd
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11:52<microm-78>ok, Form the port but on having connected from a client ftp, I do not manage to do it
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11:55<klh>microm-78, you don't manage to auth or just to connect .
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12:07<gargi>greetings, noob trying to get sound working with Lenny, any happy helpers about?
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12:09<cahoot>gargi: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 in a terminal
12:09<gargi>ok cahoot, I will try that again.
12:10<gargi>so cahoot, It still does not work.
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12:10<marcosRz>I'm trying to upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze but it seems that its goint to breake the gnome packages since its going to be removed, so, I want to know whats happening...
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12:10<cahoot>gargi: any error msg?
12:10<gargi>ran alsoconf a few times. no error message cahoot.
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12:10<cahoot>marcosRz: squezze in a flux?
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12:11<cahoot>gargi: any error msg from speaker-test?
12:11<marcosRz>cahoot, hm?
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12:11<gargi>cahoot: no. just the normal testing message.
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12:11<cahoot>gargi: so alsa thinks all is ok
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12:12<marcosRz>cahoot, I installed debian lenny from zero and removed etch, the thing is now I'm trying to upgrade to squeeze (testing) and It seems that its not working, since the update will break and remove the gnome package.
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12:12<cahoot>gargi: what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* retrun?
12:12<gargi>cahoot: yes, it seems that everything is working, all the progs are responding normally, just there is no sound.
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12:12<klh>speakers are plugger ? :)
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12:13<z00m>hi, has anyone in here tried to play a PC game called battleforge on ubuntu with wine ?
12:13<gargi>all hardware checks out ok.
12:13<cahoot>gargi: what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* retrun?
12:13<z00m>Ive just been trying to install it and its failing all the time when trying to download the updates from there server
12:14<marcosRz>z00m, are you on ubuntu or debian?
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12:14<z00m>guess im on the wrong room :P
12:14<gargi>cahoot, that command just gives my login and some processesCannot stat /dev/dsp*: No such file or directory
12:15<z00m>im in the wrong room^
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12:15<cahoot>gargi: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one and the one you expected?
12:16<gargi>cahoot; no, there seem to be two
12:17<cahoot>gargi: and...?
12:17<gargi>but I am pretty sure I have the right one configed.
12:17<cahoot>which one is card0?
12:17<gargi>Intel 82801AA-ICH with ALC100,100P at irq 3
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12:18<cahoot>gargi: (as root) try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 and try speake-test again
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12:20<gargi>cahoot: still no sound, hardware is definitely ok, sound works in windoz
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12:21<cahoot>gargi: my last suggestion: run alsamixer and see if there's an entry for speakers to toggle
12:21<gargi>cahoot: already did that, but will try it again. who knows?
12:22<cahoot>gargi: could show the output cat /proc/asound/cards on a pastebin
12:22<gargi>cahoot: what do you mean by toggle? I find a volume level slider for pc speakers, that is all.
12:23<cahoot>ok nothing to unmute then?
12:23<gargi>cahoot: not that I can see.
12:23<cahoot>gargi: could show the output cat /proc/asound/cards on a pastebin
12:23<gargi>cahoot: hang on a sec while I log in to pastebin.
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12:25<cahoot>gargi: sorry have to run - must pick up a person at the station
12:27<gargi>cahoot: ok, see you.
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12:30<Manado_boys>hai guys....
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12:31<plandolt>connect #Trac
12:31<plandolt>whoops.sorry :) IRC n00b
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12:34<gargi>hi still trying to debug my sound card -- any takers?
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12:36<dgero>how can i go into another channel?
12:36<koollman>dgero: /join #channel
12:37<dgero>dgero: /join #italia
12:37<dgero>it didn't work!
12:37<gargi>still trying to get sound working on new install of lenny with xfce, can anyone help?
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12:37<koollman>dgero: just type it, with nothing before it
12:38<mmm>I had the 5.0 livecd installer freeze on me right after downloading all the packages from the MIT repository -- should I file a bug report on this?
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12:39<mmm>what information would I need to have to make the bug report worthwhile? I captured the 'dmesg' but not much else
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12:42<diego>how do i change room?
12:43<EmleyMoor>They are called channels... to join another one on the same network, /join #itsname
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12:55<pawel>internet connection tunneling via SSH with -R or -L option does not work for me. Is there any other way?
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12:56<kernel>hello,a programm for see boot kernel and all daemon start and the warning,panic default in var/log kernel not report all problem
12:57<mmm>tried to use the reportbug tool - looks like google does not accept the SMTP AUTH extension
12:57<mmm>is there a way I can use this bugreport file that I created and send by regular email?
12:57<Manado_boys>hai all
12:59<pawel>internet connection tunneling via SSH with -R or -L option does not work for me. Is there any other way?
12:59<pawel>sry for mistake (double post)
12:59<patrikf>pawel, why doesn't it work for you?
12:59<pawel>I don't know
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13:00<pawel>firefox just displays 'proxy refused connection'
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13:00<patrikf>pawel: try telnet first.. and check that your ssh server has GatewayPorts enabled
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13:01<pawel>how to set tunnel via telnet?
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13:01<patrikf>pawel, telnet will give you easy access to raw TCP streams (netcat will do so too, use whatever you want)
13:02<patrikf>what I want to say is that you might have misconfigured firefox/whatever and should try something more basic first
13:02<pawel>ok I'm newbie
13:02<kernel>hello,a programm for see boot kernel and all daemon start and the warning,panic default in var/log kernel not report all problem
13:02<pawel>I just need to access Internet as another computer in my network
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13:03<pawel>isn't there any automtic program for this
13:03<patrikf>pawel: then you're probably better off with proper NAT, or simpler, a HTTP proxy
13:03<patrikf>I've used tinyproxy before
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13:04<pawel>is tinyproxy program for setting http proxies?
13:04<patrikf>please find out yourself.
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13:04*EmleyMoor seems to be getting somewhere with the bootloader on his squeeze box
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13:04<EmleyMoor>Not far, but further
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13:08<valdyn>kernel: cross posting does not fix the gibberish you are typing, we cant parse that
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13:09<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
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13:10<kernel>valdyn: what programm i should install?
13:10<valdyn>kernel: haha
13:10<EmleyMoor>Getting there now - just got to finalise and make it safe
13:10<valdyn>kernel: me not understand yous
13:11<fxiny>kernel: you want boot logging , edit /etc/default/bootlogd
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13:11<kernel>im ita... valdyn: how can logging all kernel boot,warning,panic,start kernel etc
13:12<valdyn>kernel: kernel messages are logged completely
13:12<kernel># Run bootlogd at startup ?
13:12<valdyn>kernel: yes
13:12<kernel>and from see log after?
13:13<valdyn>this got to be babelfish
13:13<valdyn>kernel: /var/log/boot*
13:13<kernel>google translator is
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13:13<valdyn>kernel: google translater is shite too
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13:14*EmleyMoor reboots his squeeze box to test a fix
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13:17<pawel>If I got proxy, will my computer will be recognized as proxy's IP and MAC?
13:19<dr|z3d>Not if you're only using it yourself, pawel.
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13:19<dr|z3d>A local proxy for internal use is not the same as a public proxy.
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13:21<locsmif>pawel, mac addresses are only visible within the same subnet
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13:22<locsmif>or, more accurately stated, systems that are on the same switch
13:22*EmleyMoor tries once more
13:23<locsmif>This has nothing to do with proxies, proxies serve to relay http (and sometimes https) traffic. This is by no means anonymous.
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13:24<pawel>ok here is what I want to do: I have no-GUI SSH-only "computer" and one full-featured computer. I want to confirm DMZ and MyDNS for SSH box, and my router requires to confirm with the same IP and MAC as it is confirmed for. router:, my comp: ssh comp:
13:24<EmleyMoor>However it now appears to have conked out at an early kernel stage
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13:24<pawel>proxy wont work?
13:25<locsmif>pawel, sorry, I don't quite understand, I suspect you translated that using Babelfish?
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13:25<pawel>I am learning English.
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13:26<EmleyMoor>The last message on my screen is:
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13:26<EmleyMoor>ACPI: Expecting a [Reference] package element, found type 0
13:26<locsmif>pawel, a DMZ is not something that can be 'confirmed' for a box, it is something that you simply set up
13:27<locsmif>A DMZ is a zone in between two routers or on the internet side of a router
13:27<locsmif>Where the router(s) is/are firewalled
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13:29<pawel>I mean: my ruter allows connecting IP (even root) to set things only for itself.
13:29<EmleyMoor>Things are happening - "quiet" suppresses them
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13:29<pawel>and I must access ruter control panel as SSH-only computer.
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13:31<locsmif>pawel, are you saying your router denies access to its control panel from
13:31<Killabeez>how do I install a .deb package?
13:31<locsmif>Killabeez, dpkg -i
13:31<EmleyMoor>My hard drive keeps changing between being hda and hde!
13:31<pawel>no, I mean I want to access CP as
13:32<locsmif>EmleyMoor, USB/Firewire?
13:32<pawel>but I have web browser on
13:32<locsmif>hmm, no.
13:32<locsmif>CP ?
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13:32<pawel>Control Panel
13:32<locsmif>Oh, right.
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13:33<Killabeez>locsmif, how can i check what kernel i am running
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13:33<locsmif>pawel, you said you have control over, so you can access the router from there with elinks
13:33<locsmif>Killabeez, uname -a
13:33<locsmif>pawel, often routers also have telnet access, ntw.
13:33<pawel>router's control panel menus are with flash & javascript.
13:33<pawel>no way.
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13:34<locsmif>pawel, no shit, really? That's utterly braindead.
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13:34<pawel>yes, really.
13:35<locsmif>pawel, telnet then..
13:35<pawel>and hat?
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13:36<locsmif>pawel, I'd immediately get a new router too.
13:36<locsmif>a router with flash control panels is not acceptable.
13:36<killabeez_>locsmif, how can i dpkg -i and also install dependencies?
13:36<pawel>locsmif: really?
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13:37<pawel>mi internet provider wants 3$/month for that
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13:37<EmleyMoor>locsmif: No - plain PATA
13:38<locsmif>EmleyMoor, yeah, mysterious in that case..
13:38<locsmif>killabeez_, I forget
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13:38<pawel>ok, back to the topic: is there any way to do that?
13:38<EmleyMoor>I even changed to grub2 in the hope it might help
13:39<pawel>why proxy wont work?
13:39<locsmif>killabeez_, perhaps apt-get -f install
13:39<locsmif>pawel, you want to fake your ip
13:39<pawel>and MAC.
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13:40<locsmif>pawel, sure. Use a transparent proxy.
13:40<pawel>in local network
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13:40<locsmif>pawel, you need squid.
13:40<pawel>it it type o name?
13:40<pawel>ok, ,thanks
13:40<pawel>i'll check it
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13:41<kernel>how can solve this warning?
13:42<locsmif>kernel, you can't..
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13:42<locsmif>kernel, you have to wait this out. Whatever you do, do not rename any of those files
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13:43<locsmif>killabeez_, alternatively, you can install them by hand
13:43<kernel>is bug not my?
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13:44<locsmif>kernel, not your fault, and not specific to you
13:45<locsmif>kernel, it's a warning put into the package by Marco d'Itri, the maintainer of modutils, iirc
13:45<killabeez_>anyone have a walkthrough to link me for installing ati driver
13:46<locsmif>killabeez_, there is an alternative
13:46<EmleyMoor>Now at last I can get on with fixing /usr on my testing box
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13:47<pawel>ok, I'm really a newbie, is a bit hard, I haven't got access to ruter's iptables.
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13:47<EmleyMoor>Where does grub2 grab its root=... from?
13:47<pawel>could you tell me how to set it for fdaking IP an mac with FireFox?
13:47<locsmif>pawel, impossible.
13:48<locsmif>ip spoofing doesn't work for stateful connections
13:48<pawel>then how to fake it in locat network?
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13:51<locsmif>pawel, it seems you are attempting to gain control over a router that is not yours. I can't help you with that, I'm sorry.
13:52<pawel>maybe you misunderstood me.
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13:53<locsmif>You need access to some of those machines in order to do something
13:53<pawel>I will be right back and consultate my post with native speaker.
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13:55<killabeez_>can someone help me install my ati driver for lenny
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13:56<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. and <radeon vs radeonhd>
13:56*ilja_away is away: Gone away for now
13:56<dpkg>well, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>., #ati @ See also <radeon>.
13:56<locsmif>killabeez_, see above
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14:01<killabeez_>what is non free sources
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14:04<EmleyMoor>I suppose a reinstall is the best way forward if my /usr filesystem was corrupted (other than in local)
14:04<EmleyMoor>(of packages, that is)
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14:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
14:04<valdyn>EmleyMoor: that didnt work ^^ ?
14:04<locsmif>!tell killabeez_ about non-free
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14:04<stew>ilja: please turn off your away message in this channel
14:05<pawel>locsmif: I want to do that: Access a webpage (router control panel) with, but I want for it to look as if I accessed it as (and its MAC). I need it because my rubbish router allows setting DynDNS only for IP which is connected (every IP have its own DynDNS settings). The problem is is custom-firmware NAS with Debian installed (SSH only). Even admin can't set DynDNS for another IP than he's connected from.
14:05<pawel> is Ubuntu 8.10 (I've got root), is Debian Etch [ssh-only] (I've got root) and router is (I've got admin and can set port redirects). I need it because I want to run a webserver on
14:05<pawel>can you understand it and does not it look nasty?
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14:06<ranix>pawel: you have ssh access to
14:06<pawel>it's mine custom-firmware NAS.
14:07<EmleyMoor>valdyn: That's what I am currently running
14:07<pawel>in which I instaled Debian
14:07<asterisc>Hi guys, I just installed lenny, and iceweasel is constantly crashing, in about 2 minutes after starting it. Any ideas how to fix it ?
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14:07<pawel>I am now logged to it as root.
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14:07<ranix>pawel: would it be acceptable to ssh to to establish a tunnel (port forward) and access your webpage using the SSH tunnel as a SOCKS proxy?
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14:08<pawel>as proxy's MAC?
14:08<ranix>MAC is not applicable in that situation
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14:08<ranix>traffic to the router is actually COMING from
14:08<pawel>it is all in local network
14:09<ranix>pawel: check out link number 2 and let me know how it works
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14:11<pawel>will open 3333. port on locl #ssh -D 3333 root@
14:11<pawel>sry. mistake
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14:12<locsmif>pawel, ranix's tip sounds excellent
14:12<pawel>will '#ssh -D 3333 root@' open port 3333 on local or on ssh-remote box?
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14:12<pawel>this example is with localhost.
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14:13<pawel>and whick computer will be proxy?
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14:14*pawel is sshing
14:14<pawel>ok logged in as root
14:15<ranix>I believe so, pawel. I follow a howto every time because I do it so infrequently
14:16<pawel>'Firefox was configured to use proxy which refuses connection'
14:16<ranix>use localhost port 3333 as your socks proxy
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14:18<pawel>http://localhost is "It works!' and any other webpage is blank
14:18<pawel>but no error.
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14:19<ranix>use localhost as your socks proxy
14:19<ranix>then connect to your router
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14:19<ranix>or whatever you want to configure
14:19<ranix>lol "It works!"
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14:20<pawel>socks v4 or v5?
14:20<EmleyMoor>Where does grub2 get its kernel parameters from?
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14:22<EmleyMoor>valdyn: That reinstall does not appear to have been successful - it downloaded about 200 files, threw an error configuring bash then finished (without doing much)
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14:23<pawel>I think it is seemed as and its mac from local network, not (to which I am sshed) and its mac as I want.
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14:23<pawel>any idea?
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14:24<EmleyMoor> if it's helpful - shows end of download to end of process
14:24<ranix>pawel: ssh -X then and open a web browser on your *.14
14:24<pawel>*.14 does not have gui
14:24<pawel>it's ssh only.
14:25<ranix>pawel: the correct solution is to fix your router, not bypass the security features you deem obstructive
14:25<EmleyMoor>Repeating the command gives same bash config error
14:25<pawel>it's not broken, it 's such a rubbich
14:25<ranix>pawel: get a new one
14:25<pawel>I think it's *security*
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14:26<pawel>isn't there any way to surf internet as on
14:26<pawel>(and their MAC's)
14:27<ranix>sox proxy
14:27<pawel>my budget is thin
14:27<snubby>software sock proxy?
14:27<pawel>how to set it?
14:27<EmleyMoor>valdyn: How can I proceed with my reinstall past this error?
14:27<ranix>told him about it already and he either couldn't figure it out, or his router detects proxy use
14:28<pawel>or is there any text-mode web growser with newest JavaScript?
14:28<blarson>pawel: how about 1. disconnect .14 2. set other system to .14's MAC and IP. 3. Configure router. 4. set system back. 5. reconnect
14:28<snubby>dum de dum...
14:28<pawel>blarson: impossible, it's DHCP
14:29<pawel>or is there any text-mode web browser with newest JavaScript?
14:29<snubby>hehe @ text-mode web browser
14:30<pawel>NAS:~# ifconfig
14:30<pawel>Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output.
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14:31<cdlu>snubby, how dare you dis text browsers.
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14:31<ranix>pawel: it really looks like you're trying to take over someone else's network but he locked it down too hard for you
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14:32<ranix>that's pretty impressive actually, locking root out
14:32<pawel>btw. how?
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14:32<pawel>I would not have root on all things and admin on ruter.
14:33<ranix>pawel: just auction the box
14:34<snubby>sup do0d @ cdlu
14:35<pawel>I have an idea! I could set up IP header changing on like that: outgoing{ src= src_mac=its_mac }
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14:35<snubby>getting a cheap router box is the fastest solution for your problem
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14:35<EmleyMoor>I am trying to do a reinstall of all my packages following some filesystem damage. aptitude reinstall '~i' fails with E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash
14:35<EmleyMoor>How can I proceed?
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14:36<pawel>I don't want to spend cash and it wouldnt be so cheap with wifi b,g, 2 usbs , 2 ethernets, adsl and dyndns
14:37<pawel>like the one I ghave
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14:40<pawel>btw. If I want to take control over a network, I would 1. crack weak WEP 2. do man in the middle attack 3. see all the unencrypted HTTP passwords 4. normally log in
14:40<ranix>you need 2 usb?
14:40<pawel>no, I don't
14:40<ranix>pawel: so do that to your own network if it's so easy
14:40<ranix>pawel: wrt54gl, $60
14:40<pawel>I don't need to.
14:41<cmyers>Hey all - I am running unstable on my desktop, and amarok isn't working for me. When I run it, it says '[Loader] Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?'. When I kill it, I see 'DCOP aborting while waiting for answer from 'kded''. I do not use KDE, I run fluxbox. Is this a known issue?
14:41<ranix>wifi bg, usb, 4 ethernet, adsl and dyndns
14:41<pawel>I have admin password xD
14:41<ranix>pawel: then what is your problem
14:41<ranix>pawel: if it's so easy to get in by hacking a wep, why can't you get in when you have root
14:42<ranix>and, if you can't get in with root, how could you get into this network by hacking a wep
14:42<pawel>I can get in.
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14:42<ranix>I have been trolled
14:42<pawel>problem: I can configure dyndns only for IP which I am connecting for.
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14:43<pawel>I want to configure DynDns for text-only box.
14:43<sankukai>where can I found opera ?
14:43<EmleyMoor>Does this box have an autside IP?
14:43<pawel>ofcourse, but dynamic.
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14:44<EmleyMoor>Well, you should be able to run a dyndns client on it
14:44<pawel>and cron it?
14:44<FoxM>Hi. Do you know why Debian (even SID) only updated Eclipse to version 3.2?
14:44<EmleyMoor>(whatever is necessary) it
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14:45<pawel>I'll seek for it on
14:45<pawel>ranix: very srry for my poor english.
14:45<EmleyMoor>They have some... I would venture there may even be one in Debian
14:46<cmyers>!dpkg ddclient
14:46<dpkg>i heard ddclient is a tool that helps you synchronize your dynamic IP to your hostname, (DynDNS, and a few others) - Install: apt-get install ddclient - Reference:
14:46<cmyers>no problemo =D
14:47<ranix>pawel: ooooooh. I didn't actually understand what you were doing until you said that
14:47<cmyers>I found "ddclient" by doing "apt-cache search dyndns".
14:47<cmyers>that search solves a suprising number of problems =)
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14:47<ranix>pawel: sorry for my hostility. It sounded like the only machine that could access the router to change settings was 1.14, and you were trying to perform a hostile takeover from a different machine
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14:48<EmleyMoor>Always ask the actual question proper...
14:48<pawel>I understand you.
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14:50<FoxM>Hi. Do you know why Debian (even SID) only updated Eclipse to version 3.2?
14:50*pryda is using X-Sys v2.2.0 (
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14:52<e7th04sh>dpkg liek mudkipz
14:52<dpkg>it has been said that liek mudkipz is dat true
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14:52<e7th04sh>dpkg liek mudkipz
14:52<dpkg>liek mudkipz is probably dat true
14:53<e7th04sh>hopkin green frog
14:53<pawel>Enter the interface which is used for using dynamic DNS service.
14:53<e7th04sh>dpkg hopkin green frog
14:53<dpkg>rumour has it, hopkin green frog is everywhere
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14:53<pawel>whn I am connected by Ehernet cable, eth0?
14:53<e7th04sh>dpkg obama
14:53<dpkg>from memory, obama is gay
14:53<e7th04sh>dpkg obama
14:53<ranix>can someone delete these stupid factoids
14:53<EmleyMoor>pawel: Unless you know otherwise, yes
14:54<simonrvn>!forget obama
14:54<dpkg>simonrvn: i forgot obama
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14:54<e7th04sh>anyways, how do i get java to work in my browser? iceweasel it is
14:54<pawel>is CANNOT SET LOCALE something wrong?
14:54<pawel>it pops up at every installation.
14:54<FoxM>Hi. Do you know why Debian (even SID) only updated Eclipse to version 3.2? :(
14:54<e7th04sh>cause, it's not something i can do with apt-get or is it?
14:54<EmleyMoor>e7th04sh: Do you want "free" or Sun java?
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14:55<simonrvn>Sid, if you're gonna capitalize something. it's a name, not "Still In Development".
14:55<e7th04sh>EmleyMoor, i would like the better performance, as long as i don't break any law, so it's probably sun's one, right?
14:55<simonrvn>FoxM: is there a new upstream? you can always file a bug saying so.
14:56<simonrvn>check first
14:56<EmleyMoor>e7th04sh: You need non-free to got Sun's java
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14:56<pawel>sh: line 1: 9394 Segmentation fault ifconfig eth0 2>/dev/null
14:56<pawel>WARNING: unable to determine IP address
14:56<pawel>what's it??!
14:56<mjt>. o O { bug }
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14:57<pawel>NAS:~# ifconfig
14:57<pawel>Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output.
14:57<FoxM>simonrvn: Eclipse is on version 3.4. A bug has already been filed, but nobody from the Debian Java team seems to work on that
14:57<simonrvn>FoxM: then be patient.
14:57<EmleyMoor>e7th04sh: Once you have non-free, there are sun-java packages you can get
14:57<simonrvn>pawel: mount /proc perhaps ? ;)
14:57<pawel>apt-get install ifconfig :P
14:58<simonrvn>modprobe your NIC driver?
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14:59<pawel>SUCCESS: updating good: IP address set to
14:59<pawel>look at this.
14:59<pawel>it sets my dyndns to local IP
14:59<patrikf>how would it know the remote one?
15:00<pawel>dyndns original client knows in some way :)
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15:02<EmleyMoor>Anyone any clues on my reinstall problem?
15:02<simonrvn>pawel: ddclient needs your external IP - you can configure it so that it checks your router for it.
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15:04<pawel>how to send raw HTTP GET request?
15:05<pawel>GET /nic/update?hostname=yourhostname&myip=ipaddress&wildcard=NOCHG&mx=NOCHG&backmx=NOCHG HTTP/1.0
15:05<pawel>like this
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15:05<EmleyMoor>telnet 80
15:06<EmleyMoor>Enter that GET line
15:06<dondelelcaro>or use netcat
15:06<pawel>and what with Authorization: Basic base-64-authorization
15:06<pawel>User-Agent: Company - Device - Version Number
15:06<cmyers>pawel: or `man wget`
15:06<cmyers>or `man curl`
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15:07<dondelelcaro>pawel: same thing; you can write HTTP directly using telnet, or you can use wget or curl to do it for you
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15:08<pawel>wget <my request> /dev/null ?
15:08<dondelelcaro>uh... no.
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15:09<ranix>lol /dev/null
15:09<dondelelcaro>wget --options --to --get --your --request...
15:09<cmyers>pawel: that is why I suggest reading the man page. both wget and curl are very well documented, and documentation may even be avaialble in your native language.
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15:11<Brigolin>pawel, I think the best is to write your own script in bash with netcat (nc) or in perl with socket() :)
15:11<e7th04sh>EmleyMoor, somehow i thought there were no packages for java at all :s thanks for help
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15:13<michael117>I've installed the 2.6.26 kernel image in the repository and even tried using the update-grub command myself, but I still am booting to my old kernel
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15:14<michael117>I've installed the 2.6.26 kernel image in the repository and even tried using the update-grub command myself, but I still am booting to my old kernel
15:15<michael117>sorry for posting that twice... just wanting to see if whoever entered the room might know
15:16<pawel>ok thanks
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15:17<EmleyMoor>michael117: How do you know it's your old kernel?
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15:19<RiddleBox420>Ok anyone here can help me please?
15:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
15:19<michael117>EmleyMoor: when I'm booting up and see the grub menu, it shows the old kernel
15:19<RiddleBox420>I installed a package called mercury-messenger.deb and I don't like it, how do I uninstall since it's not in the menus nor I can sudo purge it?
15:19<michael117>and uname -a shows the old kernel as well
15:20<bighornram>I'm trying to add a printer to CUPS. It is prompting for username and password. This installation I selected no root login and have sudo with my username only. Previous installs when prompted by cups I would enter root and the root password. How do I save the cups settings without root access?
15:20<ranix>dpkg -r --purge mercury-messenger
15:20*dpkg removes --purge mercury-messenger along with a pound of flesh from ranix's body, then staples ranix back up with a staple gun.
15:20<EmleyMoor>michael117: Literally please
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15:20<EmleyMoor>What exactly does uname -a show?
15:21<michael117>Linux server 2.6.17-2-486 #1 Wed Sep 13 15:56:30 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
15:21<EmleyMoor>Also, pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
15:21<Brigolin>michael117: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
15:21<RiddleBox420>ranix: That gave me options. =\ you have the direct command? I'm n00b
15:22<ranix>omg there are words on my screen
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15:22<ranix>whatever shall I do
15:22<RiddleBox420>Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*];
15:22<RiddleBox420>Use `dselect' or `aptitude' for user-friendly package management;
15:22<RiddleBox420>Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
15:22<RiddleBox420>Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
15:22<RiddleBox420>Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;
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15:23<ranix> dpkg -r package name
15:23*dpkg removes package name along with a pound of flesh from ranix's body, then staples ranix back up with a staple gun.
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15:23<ranix>there is a --purge option to remove all source also, but it might not be literal --purge
15:23<ranix>all configuration rather, not source
15:23<jthomas>I have my local desktop (Debian Sid) set up within my office's same domain name; when my box sends email to root it goes to which then goes to all of the sysadmins, and my coworkers get mad. How can I have root go to just me? I have an entry in /etc/aliases but it's not doing the job.
15:23<ranix>brain fart
15:24<RiddleBox420>thanks :D
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15:24<ranix>so annoying
15:25<ranix>the quit message, that is
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15:25<jthomas>aptitude clean or aptitude auto-clean will remove downloaded stuffs
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15:26<Brigolin>michael117: It's weird :)
15:27<michael117>Brigolin: In what way?
15:27<Brigolin>because your grub.conf seem's to be correct and point to a 2.6.26 kernel
15:28<Brigolin>(sorry for my poor english)
15:28<michael117>that's actually my menu.lst
15:28<michael117>don't worry, you're english is fine
15:28<michael117>...if you can help me ;)
15:29<Brigolin>So can you pastbin the result of an ls -al /boot ?
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15:30<ranix>michael117: please use oftc or freenode, pick one
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15:30<ranix>not both
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15:30<ranix>for asking the same questions, that is
15:31<ranix>people on oftc might not dual-lurk, and won't keep up with the conversation thread
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15:33<michael117>What's the difference in me using both and you using both?
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15:33<michael117>different people
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15:33<michael117>some people here may know
15:33<michael117>some people there may know
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15:33<michael117>getting better coverage by being in both
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15:34<michael117>if you can help me here or there, then I'd gladly exit the other channel+server
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15:39<Brigolin>michael117: If you want help you better have to pastebin what we want no ? :)
15:40<Brigolin>I ask you for your result of an ls -al of /boot/ :)
15:40<ranix>Brigolin: freenode has been actively helping him for ~30mins
15:40<Brigolin>Ok :)
15:40<bighornram>what is the command to add a user to a group?
15:40<ranix>adduser user group
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15:41<tommy>hi there
15:41<Brigolin>So I better have to go sleeping, i have hard working tomorow, sorry for my helpless here
15:41<Brigolin>Good night all o/
15:42<michael117>Brigolin: thanks
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15:59<kristianpaul>1969-12-31 is my timestamp?
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15:59<simonrvn>fix your date/time
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16:10<maxxe>hi. linux seem to be unable to detect my onboard audio card. i get nothing when i execute lspci. any suggestions what i could do?
16:10<th_>Hi Guys! someone knows how to install CS Steam on debian?!
16:11<LostPlanet>maxxe: i dont know that is would have to show up in lspci. try looking in dmesg for any clues as to where it is maybe ?
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16:11<simonrvn>th_: go to their web site. it's not even in debian, and it won't be.
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16:11<maxxe>LostPlanet: yep. but i am not sure even if it works, cause i haven't tested it in windows :)
16:12<LostPlanet>simon: by not in debian you mean there is no debian package for it, whether or not you can install it on linux in general depends on factors not realted to debian ?
16:12<cahoot>maxxe: laptop?
16:12<simonrvn>no package, and probably won't ever be.
16:12<LostPlanet>max: why would you think it wouldn't work ?
16:12<simonrvn>it's really non-free
16:12<LostPlanet>simon: agreed. probably never would be
16:12<maxxe>cahoot: nope an ibm computer :)
16:12<LostPlanet>yes, non-free
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16:13<LostPlanet>if steam had a linux clinet it would probably be some kind of binary executable that you would run i'm guessing
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16:15<cahoot>maxxe: ltried dmidecode?
16:16<LostPlanet>max: how do you know linux can't detect the sound card ? i am guessing you have tried to play a sound in gnome or something right ?
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16:17<maxxe>cahoot: no i haven't. but i am gonna read the manual and try it, cause i have no experience of that command
16:18<maxxe>cahoot: i know the name of the card, it was written on the motherboard, and there's drivers available for it
16:18<maxxe>cahoot: it just don't seem to show up in lspci
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16:18<maxxe>cahoot: perhaps it's caused by buggy bios or something, i don't know, but it's annoying :)
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16:18<cahoot>maxxe: cat /proc/asound/cars returns empty?
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16:19<maxxe>cahoot: yep doesn't even seem to exist
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16:21<cahoot>maxxe: could simply try modprobe intel8x0 and check /proc/asound again
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16:21<deniz>when i do apt-get install compiz, am i getting compiz or compiz fusion?
16:21<dr|z3d>They are largely one and the same these days, deniz.
16:22<maxxe>cahoot: now it returns "no soundcards"
16:22<deniz>dr|z3d, so when i do apt-get install compiz, im getting compiz-fusion then right? (like im not getting some old version of this application or anything, right?)
16:23<dr|z3d>deniz: You're getting a bang up-to-date compiz experience. Worry not :)
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16:23<deniz>dr|z3d, lol thx :)
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16:25<microm-78>Algien acá me puede ayudar, junto con unos amigos queremos agruparnos como comunidad, y mi consulta es como puedo hacer para formalizar la misma
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16:26<LostPlanet>microm: english only please
16:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:27<LostPlanet>thanks dr
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16:28<microm-78>Hello friends, i am need your help, together with a few friends we want to gather in crowds as community, and my consultation is as I can do to formalize the same one
16:28<maxxe>cahoot: i found something using dmidecode. it status of sound is disabled. but the strange thing is that is enabled in the bios :D
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16:29<LostPlanet>microm: google search for "linux user group"
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16:30<mmm>just installed debian 5.0 and been noticing that every time a usb device is plugged in that my usb mouse stops functioning
16:31<LostPlanet>max: could be that the sound card is disabled in your linux desktop ?
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16:32<hdon>hmm, maybe this is not a good place to ask, but how can I make sure a program will core dump on a fatal signal like segfault?
16:32<LostPlanet>hdon: probably has to do with compile options
16:32<maxxe>LostPlanet: nope cause i think it would've shown up in lspci then
16:33<LostPlanet>max: but have you actually checked that it is enabled in your desktop under the sound management area ? (sorry this is vague, but i have sometimes had problems with sound not working and it just turned out that the sound card or mixer was off )
16:34<LostPlanet>hdon: if using something like gcc or g++ you would need the debug option i think. check the manual for gcc / g++
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16:35<LostPlanet>max: i could be totally wrong, but i dont know that a sound card has to be a pci device ?
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16:35<LostPlanet>where is cahoot ?
16:36<dr|z3d>Soundcards these days are no longer ISA, so either PCI or USB is the norm, LostPlanet
16:36<LostPlanet>thanks dr. i was thinking it was more likely USB than ISA if it was not PCI
16:36<microm-78>Ok LostPlanet
16:37<LostPlanet>max: but you say the sound card is built into the motherboard right ? or that's the one your talking about ? or is it a plug -in PCI card ?
16:37<maxxe>a isa bridge shows up in lspci but i don't know if that means much
16:37<maxxe>no it's integrated
16:37<LostPlanet>that is just to connect to any PCI device you might have i think
16:37<LostPlanet>i mean ISA device
16:38<LostPlanet>and whats the chip set for the integerated sound card ? or what is the mother board make / model ?
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16:39<maxxe>chipset intel 82845 845
16:39<maxxe>it's a ibm motherboard so im not sure about the model
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16:41<LostPlanet>max: sorry. not sure what to tell you at this point. i think that is a pretty standard issue setup and should work.
16:42<LostPlanet>max: perhaps google on the intel 82845 and linux
16:42<LostPlanet>max: did the sound ever work ?
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16:44<maxxe>yep. well i don't know if the sound ever has worked :)
16:44<maxxe>and i haven't tried windows
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16:45<LostPlanet>max: do you have windows installed and such taht you can quickly check that ? i did a google search and saw something about someone losing their sound after an upgrade. didy ou recently upgrade from etch->lenny ?
16:45*patrikf recommends #alsa on FreeNode to maxxe
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16:46<maxxe>nah but i've flashed the bios with the newest version
16:46<meshuggah>hi there
16:46<Kryczek_>Hi! I have installed Debian with 686 kernel on a router (Soekris) that is only 486 capable... so now I installed linux-image-486 but I cannot find the corresponding libc (dpkg -l says there is a libc6-686 installed) what should I do? please help :) thanks
16:47<LostPlanet>max: but you dont know if it worked before the flash so can't say for sure that cuased probelm ?
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16:47<maxxe>LostPlanet: true :D
16:47<LostPlanet>max: flash back and try on old version.
16:48<simonrvn>Kryczek_: there isn't any -486 for libc6
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16:48<maxxe>LostPlanet: yep gonna try that
16:48<Kryczek_>simonrvn: so... can I just remove libc6-686 and expect the system to work?
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16:48<simonrvn>Kryczek_: just use plain ol' libc6 and purge the -686 if you want.
16:49<simonrvn>it's just some optimized stuff, no biggie.
16:49<simonrvn>with tls
16:49<Kryczek_>oh ok :) thanks
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16:49<stuckey>valdyn: I have a question. Now that I've sid respositories in my apt sources, will my system still be stable or will it be sid?
16:49<simonrvn>would be nice if ppc supported tls... *hint hint to the upstream glibc people*
16:50<stuckey>I thought PPC was being discontinued?
16:50<azeem>simonrvn: it doesn't?
16:50<Overfiend>huh, the SSL security updated landed in etch/updates before lenny/updates?
16:51<Overfiend>Get:1 etch/updates/main libssl0.9.7 0.9.7k-3.1etch3 [744kB]
16:51<simonrvn>no, last i checked it doesn't.
16:51<azeem>simonrvn: that was 2006?
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16:51<simonrvn>last year i heard some stuff about it being worked on.
16:51<stuckey>If I have sid in my sources list will I still have a stable stystem? Or will apt download stuff from sid when I tell it to install something (e.g. mplayer)?
16:51<Overfiend>stuckey: sid is permanently unstable
16:51<simonrvn>stuckey: if you update and upgrade, you won't.
16:52<Overfiend>sid will never become "testing" or "stable"
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16:52<simonrvn>Overfiend: omfg, how are you?
16:52<stuckey>simonrvn: okay so how do I mix the two? I have to have sid for nvidia drivers...
16:52<Overfiend>so if it's in your sources.list and you're doing sophisticated pinning stuff in apt, then YES, it will d/l stuff from unstable
16:52<Overfiend>simonrvn: doing ok
16:52<Overfiend>simonrvn: yourself? :)
16:52<simonrvn>you don't. not without a deb-src and some pinning.
16:52<gravity>Yay! Overfiend is here! Now I don't have to be the only one answering X questions!
16:52<simonrvn>Overfiend: i'm doing good :)
16:52*gravity runs
16:52<stuckey>Shit, I dont' know what I'm doing here.
16:53<azeem>gravity: you know, Manoj was in freenode/#debian today...
16:53<Overfiend>hey, I've been away. I'm just going to tell everyone I only support Athena clients
16:53<stuckey>Do I have to -t lenny everytime I donwload something or what?
16:53<gravity>azeem: Seriously? I can't even fathom him dealing with #debian newbies.
16:53<simonrvn>Overfiend: hehe
16:53<azeem>gravity: I think he highlighted on make-kpkg
16:53<gravity>That's reasonable
16:53<Overfiend>IIRC, Manoj doesn't get nearly as furious with n00bs as he does with his peers.
16:53<maxxe>debian is the best system ever made
16:53<azeem>06:59 -!- Manoj (Manoj Srivastava) [] has joined #debian
16:54<azeem>07:02 < Manoj> hi folks
16:54<Overfiend>Manoj just spouts that Tom Christiansen beach-walking parable at the n00bs
16:54<gravity>I don't know if I want to know that.
16:54<Overfiend>a.k.a., "man, Perl was great...before it had *users*"
16:55<stew>"doesn't get nearly as furious with n00bs as he does with his peers"
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16:55<simonrvn>stuckey: you can just go manually fetch the source package and rebuild it on your lenny install.
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16:55<stew>yes, he was telling the n00bs that members of the debian kernel team are idiots
16:55<stuckey>simonrvn: it's already installed.
16:55<stuckey>simonrvn: so now I should just take the lines out of the apt source file or what?
16:55<simonrvn>so what's the issue? yes.
16:56<stuckey>simonrvn: okay sorry, didn't know what the best way to do this way.
16:56<hdon>LostPlanet: FYI core dumps are disabled by default by ulimit
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16:57<Overfiend>gravity: so how's life? still in Boston? still hacking metabolic pathways in fruit flies? Got your PhD? Did you marry that cute shiksa and break your mother's heart?
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16:59<simonrvn>ok, gtg, got a circle to go take care of
16:59<Overfiend>yeah, a *jerk* circle
16:59<deniz_>does compiz have its own repositories or is compiz only in debian's repositories?
17:00<gravity>Overfiend: Great! Yes! Nope, I'm working on a project to build organs in a dish, as part of my post-doc. And not yet, although that's probably coming sooner rather than later :-)
17:00<dr|z3d>compiz I suspect has its own SVN, if you'd rather compile, deniz_
17:00<Overfiend>gravity: awesome--are you using embryonic stem cells? ;-)
17:01<gravity>Overfiend: Heh, well, mouse embryonic stem cells at this stage :-)
17:01<hdon>LostPlanet: FYI core dumps are disabled by default by ulimit
17:01<gravity>Much easier to do the earlier work in
17:01<Overfiend>as long as they're stem cells from embryos
17:01<stuckey>I'm getting this error when I try to use gedit:
17:01<Overfiend>gravity: anything to make God even a little bit angrier
17:01<stuckey>This happened after I changed apt sources list.
17:01<deniz_>dr|z3d, i dont need the latest and greatest i just want a compiz that works well because lenny's compiz (and squeeze's) are both extremely buggy
17:01<gravity>Overfiend: Ha!
17:02<gravity>Overfiend: Well, to be honest, I kinda hope that the adult stem cells work out. That avoids a lot of tissue rejection issues. But the technology just isn't there yet, and embryonic are easier to mainpulate still.
17:02<gravity>Overfiend: I'm doing mostly computational stuff lately though, which is fun. Piles of perl and a little bit of R.
17:03<seanius>deniz_: i hate to tell you but *compiz* is extremely buggy
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17:03<gravity>deniz_: seanius speaks the truth
17:03<deniz_>gravity, seanius, in ubuntu it isn't buggy
17:03<Overfiend>gravity: I'm in favor of whatever makes most sense scientifically and therapeutically. heh, if evolutionary biologists find pi encoded in human junk DNA and have to say "looks some sort of external force manipulated our genome", then I'm cool with that too. I just don't want anti-science fucktards setting the parameters of research.
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17:04<gravity>Overfiend: Agreed
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17:04<seanius>deniz_: "less buggy" perhaps
17:05<Overfiend>research is dominated enough by rent-seeking megaconglomerates and the imperative to come up with nifty new ways to kill people as it is
17:05<simonrvn>i like the idea of growing a new organ from the same patient's tissues. no rejection, no pills. not very natural, but more so than what's going on now.
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17:05<simonrvn>Overfiend: indeed
17:05<seanius>deniz_: btw 0.8.2 was uploaded to unstable a couple days ago (though you might want to hold off a few hours until #522985 is fixed)
17:05<deniz_>seanius, well it works, in debian, it makes keyboard shortcuts not work and it doesnt work at all etc
17:06<gravity>simonrvn: Well, if you need a new organ, there's not much that nature is going to help you out with really :-\
17:06<simonrvn>ok, really gtg now. luckily my bike's workng ;).
17:06<simonrvn>yeh, unless you're a snake ;p
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17:06<Overfiend>gravity: oh, I noticed to my horror that xterm in lenny still uses only ISO-8859-1 fonts by default. Even when invoked as uxterm
17:06<Overfiend>gravity: so that might be a good "first patch submission in 3+ years" for me
17:07<gravity>Overfiend: I don't know if anyone on the XSF is really looking after xterm in a serious way these days. Thankfully Thomas is incredibly attentive to his downstreams.
17:07<Overfiend>gravity: we need some font aliases like "9x15unicode" and an app-defaults file for UXTerm that uses them.
17:07<gravity>Overfiend: There you go!
17:07<Overfiend>it's a cheap and easy fix
17:07<deniz_>seanius, so itll never be fixed in lenny?
17:07<simonrvn>we need some good console unicode fonts too ;)
17:07<Overfiend>like sex and heroin, the best kind
17:07<gravity>Overfiend: I'll need to get back on the horse sometime soon, although jcristau is doing a much better job of things than I ever did, so I'm just kind of biding my time there
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17:07<stuckey>Anyone know why my gedit doesn't work? (error:
17:07<Overfiend>gravity: yeah, Brice Goglin and Julien Cristau seem to be kicking ass
17:08<seanius>deniz_: keyboard shortcuts work fine, it just doesn't use your existing gnome shortcuts :)
17:08<sorin>ms la fel
17:08<gravity>Overfiend: Yeah, they're pretty awesome
17:08*Overfiend feels like a proud papa
17:08<seanius>deniz_: no, i doubt it, but it'd be reasonable to expect backports
17:08<gravity>Overfiend: Heh, I do too now :-)
17:08<Overfiend>I also have not gotten the impression that they're flame attractors like Daniel Stone and myself
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17:09<e7th04sh>hi, i have webcam installed
17:09<Nazcafan>I am getting trouble trying to get smooth fonts on vlc, I googled and found this hint, but this impacts also gtk apps
17:09<gravity>No, they're really not. Upstream attracts all the flames, but in Debian the X stuff is nice and quiet generally, aside from requests for updates.
17:09<seanius>deniz_: and ubuntu has locally patched some of these features, but they haven't sent them back upstream afaik (i could be wrong) and at least i haven't had the time to go through their list of patches
17:09<Nazcafan>and I loose the hinting
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17:09<e7th04sh>the problem is, that when i try to test if i can broadcast on, it days i have none
17:09<Overfiend>gravity: the modularization was a big help with that
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17:10<Kojiri>Anyone in here?
17:10<e7th04sh>actually, when flash app asks me for permission to access webcam, i have to click yes
17:10<Kojiri>Me too!
17:10<Overfiend>Kojiri: no.
17:10<gravity>Overfiend: Yeah, it was. That was a huge break, which is nice. Although things are still kind of crazy. Modesetting moving to the kernel adds another layer of complexity. Plus the input subsystem uses hal by default. So there's a lot more interconnections than in the past.
17:10<Kojiri>Overfiend! I'm new here!
17:10<e7th04sh>and when i do, it says "this application requires webcam"
17:10<Overfiend>gravity: yeah, but modesetting moving to the kernel is going to be SO NICE
17:11<e7th04sh>i noticed some people had this problem on the internet, thanks to search engine, but noone had it solved
17:11<Kojiri>What are you guys talking about?
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17:11<e7th04sh>Kojiri, stuff
17:11<gravity>Overfiend: Indeed, once drivers other than intel have it :-)
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17:11<gravity>Overfiend: It's just going to be a bumpy few years.
17:11<azeem>Kojiri: this is the Debian support channel. Do you have a Debian question?
17:11<Kojiri>You guys know about the grid, right?
17:11<Overfiend>I thought it *had been* a bumpy few years...
17:11<Kojiri>Nope, I don't.
17:11<user>how do i use the command line in debian? im use to ubuntu and dont know how in debian now
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17:12<azeem>Kojiri: then please either keep quiet or leave
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17:12<Kojiri>I don't even know what Debian is...
17:12*Overfiend feels the old itch
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17:12<gravity>Overfiend: True, but my sense (at least from the outside) is that it's getting even bumpier. The input system got totally rewritten.
17:12<Kojiri>It sounds like something you'd eat.
17:12<azeem>Overfiend: please keep it on topic
17:12<gravity>Well... not totally, but massively reworked I guess.
17:12<Kojiri>Can I get a hot dog with some Debian pelase?
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17:12<Overfiend>azeem: you mean move the X talk to #debian-x?
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17:12<azeem>Overfiend: I mean, don't abuse newbies
17:13<azeem>Kojiri: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
17:13<dr|z3d>user: command line for Debian is pretty much the same as for Ubuntu.
17:13<azeem>Kojiri: please try to be more signal and less noise in the future, thanks
17:13<Overfiend>if he's out of the channel, how can he hear you?
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17:13<dr|z3d>+q = silence.
17:13<azeem>yeah, it's a 10-minute timeout
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17:14<e7th04sh>Kojiri check out
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17:14<e7th04sh>you'll find a bunch of your alikes
17:14<e7th04sh>oh, he left
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17:16<e7th04sh>row row fight the powah... I have a webcam that works perfect now on cheese. Now, when i connect to, they have a flash app to broadcast. It asks for permission to my webcam... In flash menu i see my webcam properly identified. so i allow the access. And it still asks me to click before i start broadcasting., So i click, and wasit a bit, and then it says 'this application requires a webcam'
17:16<deniz_>seanius, so what compiz do u recommend i install for debian lenny and where do i obtain it?
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17:16<deniz_>seanius, i want a balance of up to date and stable
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17:17<seanius>deniz_: don't we all :)
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17:17<deniz_>seanius, well ya we do lol but u no wat i mean
17:17<Nazcafan>anyone else having trouble with qt4 fonts (vlc) on the gnome desktop?
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17:19<Overfiend>is it a known bug that we *still* have the non-free Mozilla logo in iceweasel?
17:19<dr|z3d>Nazcafan: I do, over VNC. Got your compositing engine switched on?
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17:20<Nazcafan>dr|z3d: no
17:20<Nazcafan>I don't use compositing
17:20<dr|z3d>Nazcafan: See if switching on compositing improves QT4, perhaps.
17:20<Nazcafan>you mean compiw and co, right?
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17:21<dr|z3d>No necessarily compiz. That's at the extreme end of compositing.
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17:21<user_>how do i install flash?
17:22<dpkg>somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
17:22<Nazcafan>dr|z3d: how do I know whether this is running
17:22<seanius>deniz_: for the time being if you want something >= 0.7.6 you'll need to install from source or backport the packages yourself, but neither are incredibly easy to do.
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17:23<seanius>deniz_: however, if you want to help out with improving the packages (including providing up-to-date backports) you're more than welcome to join up
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17:26<deniz_>seanius, until i start learning programming at skool next year, all i can do is file bug reports
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17:28<zaccour>i just tried the debian 5 live cd and didnt like it. im use to ubuntu, im surprised that flash wasnt in add/remove by default?
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17:30<locsmif>zaccour, probably because Flash a vendor lock-in, non cross-platform POS technology?
17:30<locsmif>is a*
17:30<e7th04sh>so hwat is possible reasons that flash application ignores my webcam?
17:30<locsmif>Unfortunately, Adobe like Microsoft has gained a position where it can force everybody to use their products
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17:31<hdon>zaccour: this is not #ubuntu
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17:32<locsmif>By the way, Flash is mostly a lame copy protection tool anyway.
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17:32<e7th04sh>anyone help me awwww
17:33<stuckey>How do I keep my screen from blanking? I'm trying to watch a movie but it keeps blacking after a certain amount of time.
17:33<seanius>deniz_: filing bugs reports counts as helping :) and for something like a feature which works in ubuntu but not debian, you can probably figure that out without much knowledge of programming (though you'll have to pick up some debian packaging knowledge)
17:33<e7th04sh>if you dont help me, i have a winddows xp cd and not safraid to install it!
17:33<hdon>stuckey: do you mean your screensaver is activating?
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17:33<stuckey>hdon: I don't have a screensaver, that I know of
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17:34<amphi>stuckey: xset
17:34<hdon>stuckey: the screen fades to black before enabling the screen saver (or turning your monitor into power saving mode i'd guess)
17:34<hdon>stuckey: VLC is a good video player that automatically disabled xscreensaver
17:34<zaccour>hdon, i know
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17:36<stuckey>hdon: okay so what do I with xset????
17:36<klh>I changed my domain name in /etc/hosts, do I reboot to make change or is there a faster way please ?
17:36<hdon>stuckey: i don't know i didn't recommend xset, ask amphi
17:37<bzed>klh: you have to change it in /etc/hostname
17:37<bzed>klh: if it is listed in there
17:38<klh>bzed, oops ok thank you, I look that
17:38<bzed>no all peopel have the full domain name in there..
17:38<stuckey>amphi: how do I disable screensaver with xset?
17:38<amphi>stuckey: man xset explains this
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17:39<hdon>klh: /etc/hosts is only used by your system for name lookup. some DNS servers may also read it (i think dnsmasq optionally reads it.)
17:39<klh>bzed I just have my hostame in /etc/hostname, no domain name ...
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17:39<hdon>klh: what are you talking about? what does "no domain name" mean?
17:39<amphi>stuckey: xset -dpms should disable dpms screen blanking
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17:40<klh>hdon, there is just the name of my computer (klhpc) and nothing else
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17:40<klh>my domain name set at installation is klhome
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17:40<klh>it is write in /etc/hosts : klhpc.klhome klhpc
17:41<hdon>klh: you need to educate yourself about what a hostname is and what a domain name is
17:41<klh>I know
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17:41<hdon>klh: i think you don't
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17:41<klh>hostname : name of my computer on network, domain name, the name of the network
17:41<klh>where is my mistake ?
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17:42<hdon>klh: a domain name is just a hostname that is part of the domain name system. is a domain name and it is a host name. klhpc.klhome is just a hostname. it gets messy when you begin to consider alterantive DNS authorities, which i don't care to get into,which is why i recommend learning about it on your own
17:43<hdon>klh: what are you trying to accomplish?
17:43<klh>just acces on my sambe server :)
17:44<hdon>klh: read the description of NMBD
17:45<hdon>klh: what kind of system are you trying to access the samba server from? and what does your network look like? (are both server and client systems on the same LAN?)
17:45<EmleyMoor>I am trying to do a reinstall of all my packages following some filesystem damage. aptitude reinstall '~i' fails with E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash
17:45<Nazcafan>what is a LAN?
17:45<EmleyMoor>How do I fix this?
17:45<cbane>is there anyway to tell what version of a package you're building from within a debian/rules file? i'm building a package (for personal use), and i need to install some stuff into a directory that contains the package version number
17:46<hdon>Nazcafan: a "Local Area Network" is just a network regarded in isolation from the larger network of the internet
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17:47<klh>hehe, thank you for your tenacity hdon, but my problem is just to give the right domain name to my computer, I had access before to my samba server when both (server and my pc) got the same domain name :)
17:48<Nazcafan>ok, I found a workaround for the ugly aliased font on the new version of vlc
17:48<klh>I just reinstall it and make a mistake when I specified it during the installation
17:48<hdon>klh: oh i think i might see what you are thinking incorrectly. a "domain name" is not the same as a "netbios domain"
17:49<klh>humm ok, I understand my error, it's just a language error sorry, :)
17:49<klh>my english is bad :(
17:49<Nazcafan>according to this, you only need to set the default font in qtconfig to bitstream vera sans
17:49<hdon>klh: no problem. the NetBIOS people didn't make things easy for you by using such similar names ;)
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17:51<hdon>Nazcafan: if your client computer can connect to your server computer (if it's running apache or sshd or anything, that would provide an easy way to check) just type one of these into your client somewhere: smb:// or \\\sharename
17:51<hdon>Nazcafan: if your client is windows, just use the RUN dialog available on the START menu
17:51<hdon>Nazcafan: the \\syntax is for windows
17:51<Nazcafan>hdon: you might be addressing the wrong person
17:52<hdon>whoops sorry Nazcafan, klh
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17:52<hdon>klh: what system is your client running?
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17:52<klh>hehe, debian one server and my pc
17:53<hdon>klh: ok debian is your server, what system is your client pc?
17:53<klh>I need samba to share files with my girlfriens who is on M$:(
17:53<Overfiend>bah, someone took my Vim modelines out of the X package changelogs
17:53*Overfiend shakes a fist
17:53<klh>his computer access to samba
17:53<Overfiend>didn't we ever add a comment syntax to changelogs?
17:53<hdon>klh: on windows just type \\ip_address_of_server\sharename into the RUN dialog
17:53<klh>not mine on debian :(
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17:53<klh>its ok on windows, it's on debian I can't connect
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17:54<hdon>klh: are you using GNOME on Debian?
17:54<hdon>klh: in GNOME go to the "Places" menu (next to the "Applications" menu) and click "Connect to Server"
17:54<klh>and with nautilus before just clik on network servers was working
17:54<dkr>I think you can use the \\ syntax with smbmount. but you have to quote it so it doesn't seem to be a shell escape
17:54<hdon>klh: choose "Windows Share" as your "Service Type" and type the IP address of your server into the "Server:" field
17:55<hdon>klh: well i'm giving you a shortcut if you don't want to fight with NMBD
17:55<EmleyMoor>\\\\server\\share might work
17:56<cbane>i'm pretty sure you can use forward slashes with smbmount, too
17:56<hdon>klh: also on gnome you can use the RUN dialog (ALT+F2) and type smb://ip.address/
17:56<gravity>Overfiend: More like "didn't carry over from the monolith" :-)
17:56<hdon>cbane: he's not using smbmount ;)
17:56<EmleyMoor>cbane: I concur
17:56<klh>I try
17:56<hdon>cbane: the backslashes are for Windows
17:56<klh>it work
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17:57<hdon>klh: read `man smb.conf` and check out the NMBD parts in /etc/samba/smb.conf if you ever want to address your host name lookup problem
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17:57<klh>ok, thank you for help :)
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17:57<Overfiend>gravity: pah
17:58<Overfiend>and GOOD GRIEF dpkg-buildpackage is chatty these days
17:58<hdon>klh: any time you edit smb.conf be sure to run /etc/init.d/samba
17:58<klh>I restart it every time I know
17:59<Overfiend>gravity: yeah, I remember how nearly all of my copyright notices went missing when Ubuntu did the modularization. "Whoops!" :-/
17:59<Overfiend>It's like I never worked on X at all.
17:59<hdon>Overfiend D:
17:59<Overfiend>Which, no doubt, was the Reality Distortion Field in effect at the time.
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18:00<mrrangerman43>Hello all
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18:01<gravity>Overfiend: Did I put those back? I should have if I didn't.
18:01<stuckey>amphi: now I have a screensaver with a big "X".
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18:01<mrrangerman43>Anyone know what Debian uses to configure the xorg.conf
18:01<Overfiend>the first half is done
18:01<Overfiend>"xfd -fn 'fixed-unicode'" works juuuuuuuust fine
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18:01<Overfiend>gravity: xfonts-base patched
18:02<Overfiend>odd that the aliases aren't upstream anymore
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18:02<Overfiend>we have to maintain them ourselves
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18:02<Overfiend>but that made patching easier
18:02<Overfiend>I was dreading having to screw with quilt
18:02<mrrangerman43>Lenny doesn't use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg any more
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18:02<Overfiend>quilt is great, but...not as fast as just popping open vi and enacting one's will
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18:03<klh>hdon, huhuhu, I just had to replace "workgroup = ***" in smb.conf, it's works now, I'm feeling so stupid :(
18:03<gravity>Overfiend: Yeah, but it's sooooooo much better than dbs :-)
18:03<Overfiend>gravity: no argument there
18:03<gravity>mrrangerman43: Not really true
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18:03<hdon>klh: have fun with your smb server :)
18:03<Overfiend>gravity: the saving grace of dbs is that it was there when I needed it
18:03<gravity>One glorious day it'll all be gone
18:03<mrrangerman43>the only options are for the keyboard
18:03<Overfiend>I take it the awful X server debconfage is gone, too?
18:03<hdon>klh: did you actually use "***" for the workgroup? i didn't know that was a valid value
18:03<gravity>Overfiend: Yeah, that makes sense.
18:04<Overfiend>ISTR someone was chopping that crap out
18:04<gravity>Overfiend: Most of it, the keymap stuff is still around, but that's going away
18:04<gravity>Yeah... "someone"
18:04<klh>hehe hdon, no jsut "hom" :)
18:04<Overfiend>that was you>
18:04<klh>ths hdon :)
18:04<hdon>klh: np
18:04<Overfiend>gravity: I owe you a drink. Again, like dbs, that was a necessity at the time but grew into quite the horrendous monster.
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18:04<gravity>The stuff I wrote to get rid of discover wasn't accepted upstream, and needs to go away for the next release, but it's close enough to work for now
18:05<gravity>Plus it was keithp's idea, so I'm not going to feel too bad about implementing it :-)
18:05<Overfiend>it got so damn complicated even *I* couldn't remember how some of the more fiddly bits worked
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18:05<gravity>Overfiend: Seriously. Most of the first year or two after I started working on things was just trying to make things less painful for all involved.
18:05<Overfiend>and that should be a death sentence for any software
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18:05<mrrangerman43>sooo does anyone know what they are using now?
18:06<gravity>And the second and third year was devoted to getting rid of most of that script
18:06<gravity>mrrangerman43: What exactly do you need to do?
18:06<mrrangerman43>configure the video card.....ati raidion
18:06<gravity>mrrangerman43: Configure it how?
18:07<gravity>mrrangerman43: To do what exactly? If it's a radeon and you want to use the Free driver it should just load automatically.
18:07<gravity>And if you feel some sick desire to use fglrx, you can edit xorg.conf manually quite easily
18:07<mrrangerman43>the non-free driver
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18:08<Ikarus>is there a vim package with a console version of vim with X11 awareness (ie, it is console vim, but will use X11 copy/paste), there used to be one, but I can't seem to find one now
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18:09<hdon>Ikarus: it could be a vim option, are you sure your version doesn't just have it disabled?
18:09<hdon>Ikarus: check :help mouse
18:09<Ikarus>$ vim --version | grep X11
18:09<Ikarus>+vreplace +wildignore +wildmenu +windows +writebackup -X11 -xfontset -xim -xsmp
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18:09<gravity>!tell mrrangerman43 about fglrx
18:10<Overfiend>Ikarus: I think you just have to install vim-gnome and then run vim instead of gvim
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18:10<mrrangerman43>K thanks
18:10<LostPlanet>anyone know how i should configure putty to connect to my machine remotely so that the font's show up correctly ? i have figured out that it has something to do with the character set translation settings, but no setting seems to work correctly all the time. UTF-8 works okay, but sometimes line drwaing characters are not right, and then "use font encoding" works sometimes. when i'm actually using a console like xterm on the machine directly i never have
18:11<Ikarus>..., bloat, would vim-gtk or vim-lesstif also have X11 support ?
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18:11<Ikarus>in the non-GUI version that is
18:11<gravity>vim-lesstif? Seriously? ugh
18:11<Overfiend>Ikarus: both of those exist, those should be linked against libX11
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18:12<hdon>Ikarus: vim-gtk does support the X11 clipboard if that's what you're getting at
18:12<hdon>Ikarus: i use "gvim" and "gview" whenever i can
18:12<hdon>Ikarus: which is generally all the time since i can also open files with scp:// ;)
18:12<Overfiend>if only you knew the POWER of TEXT MODE
18:12<hdon>gvim is plenty text mode
18:12<hdon>but it has the guifont option :P
18:12<Overfiend>it's got all the fruity icons
18:13<hdon>i removed those
18:13<hdon>set guioptions-=T guioptions-=m guifont=Fixed\ 8
18:13<Overfiend>ICONS are for ILLITERATES
18:13<Ikarus>hdon: I prefer the console ones, mainly as my terminal emulator is actually good and I can run it in screen
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18:13<hdon>Ikarus: screen is good ;)
18:13<hdon>Ikarus: the difference between vim and gvim is quite negligible really once you use the options i gave above
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18:14<hdon>Ikarus: to pick your own font with a GUI font browser, execute :set guifont=* from within gvim
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18:14<Overfiend>I wonder how worthwhile it would be to have a mini-, mini- X library that doesn't know how to do much more than connect to a server and manipulate server properties (that's how the selections are handled).
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18:15<Overfiend>if it WERE worthwhile, it'd be fun to pirate the code out of XCB for that
18:16<Overfiend>xprop could be rewritten to use it.
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18:17<Overfiend>hmm, no you'd need to dick with X authority stuff, too.
18:17<Overfiend>and the X-SECURITY extension
18:17<Overfiend>plainly this is why it hasn't already been done
18:18<Overfiend>but this would have been a brilliant idea back in 1987 when everybody just "xhost +"ed the whole world
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18:18<Overfiend><--- full of brilliant ideas 22 years past their sell-by date
18:19<azeem><Overfiend> Intel. Bringing you the cutting-edge technology of 1979 for 22 years now.
18:19<azeem>apparently 22 was your favourite number 8 years ago already
18:19<hdon>Overfiend: to what end would you make a mini mini x lib? a smaller dylib? a simpler API?
18:20<Overfiend>azeem: very good ;-)
18:20<Overfiend>Ben Affleck has a long memory
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18:21*monolith is using X-Sys v2.2.0 (
18:21<LostPlanet>so when i do a less on the /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README file there is in the copyright line the characters <A9> highlighted. It looks like this should be the copyright symbol. any idea why it shows up as <A9> and not the actual symbol ? could this be because i am piping through less ? is it because i am using putty / a setting on putty ?
18:21<Overfiend>hdon: to minimize and simplify the build- and runtime dependencies of textmode apps that might find it worthwhile to communicate with an X server without being real X clients.
18:21<Overfiend>(technically, they still would be, but they'd never realize any windows, never expect any events, etc.)
18:22<Overfiend>xrestop is like that
18:22<monolith>distro[Debian squeeze/sid]
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18:23<hdon>gmail has this feature called "web clips" that let's you see one item at a time from a collection of RSS feeds while you peruse gmail. the catch is that it also puts an ad in there instead. when i read "Rhino - Crash News" i thought this was from the Bugzilla of the Java-based Javascript interpreter, but it's actually about an SUV recall
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18:24<Overfiend>gravity: damn, xterm *does* use quilt
18:24<hdon>what is quilt?
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18:25<gravity>Overfiend: Yep, everything does
18:25<gravity>Or should
18:25<gravity>hdon: apt-cache show quilt
18:25<hdon>ugh.. too much apache-cfg... i just ran "apache-cache"
18:27<Overfiend>gravity: hmm, that's already defines ISO 10646-1 fonts
18:27<Overfiend>I still think my patch is worthwhile, for other legacy apps
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18:27<Overfiend>but now I want to know why my uxterms are broken
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18:33<EmleyMoor>What r?
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18:35<Overfiend>ohhhh, I know what I did.
18:35<hdon>EmleyMoor: monolith is using gaim-otr i suspect
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18:37<f3nix>Hi. I'm having a hard time upgrading my sid box. invoke-rc.d always returns an error so no services can be stopped or started. . any ideas? thanks
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18:44<locsmif>f3nix, hmm
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18:45<locsmif>f3nix, idea what that means
18:45<locsmif>hi zerby1
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18:49<locsmif>f3nix, from looking at the source of invoke-rc.d, there is only one place causing that error message
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18:51<locsmif>f3nix, it seems /etc/init.d/hal is returning a non-zero exit code
18:52<locsmif>f3nix, redoing that paste of yours echoing $? after each /etc/init.d/hal invocation would be interesting.
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18:52<locsmif>(e.g. /etc/init.d/hal start; echo $?)
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19:09<Aleric>Anyone... is there a problem with a dist-upgrade from etch to testing?
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19:20<maxb>Aleric: I suspect going via lenny might be considered wise
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19:21<Aleric>maxb: Isn't testing == lenny?
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19:23<locsmif>f3nix, hmm, seems to work now, right?
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19:23<locsmif>Why not?
19:23<f3nix>it returns != 0
19:24<f3nix>so the upgrade scripts think there was an error
19:24<f3nix>can't install acpid
19:24<f3nix>can't install mysql-server-5.0
19:24<locsmif>f3nix, dump your hal script into the pastebin
19:24<locsmif>I'll adjust it temporarily for you
19:25<locsmif>Should be easy
19:25<locsmif>What are you running btw? Lenny?
19:25<locsmif>ok I have both Lenny and Sid here..
19:25<f3nix>on my desktop everything went fine
19:26<f3nix>but on the laptop the upgrade failed with these error messages
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19:26<f3nix>and i don't think it is hal's fault... :(
19:27<f3nix>mysql-server does not depend on hal and it failes with the same message...
19:27<locsmif>f3nix, we should compare hal scripts
19:28<locsmif>BTW, your /etc/init.d/hal script output doesn't look like SID much to me
19:28<maxb>Aleric: No, testing == squeeze
19:28<maxb>etch:oldstable lenny:stable squeeze:testing sid:unstable
19:29<locsmif>f3nix, what is this [ OK ] stuff?
19:30<f3nix>it is shown in the console
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19:31<locsmif>f3nix, current /etc/init.d/hal for me:
19:31<locsmif>b4bca9a3b6cbf02e7ec9a5fb70fbd1d8 /etc/init.d/hal
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19:31<locsmif>Version 0.5.11-8
19:31<locsmif>You can get both these infos with: md5sum /etc/init.d/hal ..and.. apt-cache policy hal
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19:33<locsmif>f3nix, you must have some Debian Unstable derivative installed? (I do too, but it's really close to pure Debian)
19:33<locsmif>and the md5sum?
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19:34<f3nix>b4bca9a3b6cbf02e7ec9a5fb70fbd1d8 /etc/init.d/hal
19:34<f3nix>it is strange... on my desktop system there is no [OK] showing up
19:35<f3nix>and the failing laptop system shows this string...
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19:36<f3nix>94e9af3eac08c0938f34eb33caaa56a7 /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d
19:36<locsmif>94e9af3eac08c0938f34eb33caaa56a7 /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d
19:36<locsmif>what about:
19:36<locsmif>8beb81f61169a829594e6e580cede244 /lib/lsb/init-functions
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19:37<locsmif>This is getting stranger by the minute..
19:37<f3nix>8beb81f61169a829594e6e580cede244 /lib/lsb/init-functions
19:37<f3nix>where is that [OK] from?
19:38<locsmif>Don't know!
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19:43<Mark17>hello, does someone know the solution for my problem?: someone did reinstall a system running centos 5.x (and lvm on raid1) to debian 5.0 with raid1 (without lvm), now the data from the lvm partitions needs to be restored somehow
19:43<locsmif>f3nix, something got my attention
19:43<locsmif>f3nix, notice how my line ends with a period
19:43<locsmif>yours ends without a period and with '[ OK ]'
19:44<locsmif>This is what /etc/init.d/hal says:
19:44<locsmif> log_daemon_msg "Stopping $DESC" "$NAME"
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19:44<locsmif>If the dot is printed at all, it should be inside $NAME, which, ofcourse, it is not
19:45<locsmif>Therefore, I hypothesize that either the period/dot or the [ OK ] is printed by start-stop-daemon
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19:47<locsmif>fd5d865c75918bdb2efe3abdaf9f9e6e /sbin/start-stop-daemon
19:48<locsmif>If that is also the same, that's ok, but the error is still to be found somewhere in that direction
19:49<locsmif>f3nix, start-stop-daemon is a part of the 'dpkg' package, of which I have version 1.14.25
19:50<f3nix>a27fecf2c3dba4dc58ddcaa17c8a69fb /sbin/start-stop-daemon
19:51<locsmif>gotcha bug!
19:51<f3nix>are you on amd64?
19:51<locsmif>hmm, no ;-)
19:51<f3nix>locsmif: brb
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19:59<supreme>can someone help me with a packet that's suck in the install tree of dpkg.
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20:00<supreme>I can uninstall the kernel or complete the install due to dependencies issues.
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20:03<f3nix>locsmif: reinstalled dpkg and lsb-base (start-stop-daemon and init-functions). no change...
20:03<maxb>supreme: pastebin the errors, with as much context as possible
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20:03<locsmif>f3nix, I have a suggestion: rename start-stop-daemon temporarily, and replace it with a shell script that contains: exit 0
20:03<locsmif>rerun /etc/init.d/hal stop, and check the output
20:04<locsmif>There should be no [ OK ] and no .
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20:05<locsmif>This should confirm or rebut the assertion that start-stop-daemon is somehow responsible.
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20:07<locsmif>f3nix, you're nearly there, because you've narrowed it down now
20:08<locsmif>everything we have is the same except from the point start-stop-daemon is executed, albeit that you are using a 64bit version which is ofcourse binary different
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20:11<locsmif>f3nix, that [ OK ] isn't from start-stop-daemon after all?
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20:12<maxb>supreme: The grub update is triggered from hooks defined in /etc/kernel-img.conf. Comment out the two lines mentioning update-grub temporarily
20:13<f3nix>it is my first problem with sid since 2 years
20:13<f3nix>maybe it is time to reinstall? ;)
20:15<locsmif>f3nix, heh, nevar!!
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20:17<f3nix>locsmif: if I read the /etc/init.d/hal correctly the [OK] _should_ come from start-stop-daemon ;)
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20:20<locsmif>f3nix, I just read in /lib/lsb/init-functions that your output resembles Ubuntu a little bit
20:20<locsmif>not the [ OK ] part per se, but certainly the leading *
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20:24<locsmif>f3nix, ok, do you have: /etc/ ?
20:26<locsmif>f3nix, that's the only possibility, as it that script hooks into init-functions on my and your system (our init-functions both have the same md5, so)
20:26<locsmif>That's the script responsible for * .. and [ OK ], afaik
20:26<locsmif>See log_daemon_msg in /lib/lsb/init-functions
20:27<locsmif>You have: log_daemon_msg_pre "$@" which is an empty function except when overriden by /etc/
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20:28<chealer>supreme: what do you meant by "suck in the install tree of dpkg"?
20:29<f3nix>locsmif: :D
20:29<f3nix>locsmif: I do not believe it!
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20:29<f3nix>locsmif: removing splashy did the trick :]
20:30<locsmif>f3nix, heh..!
20:30<f3nix>locsmif: Thank You very much!
20:30<locsmif>f3nix, splashy: /etc/
20:31<locsmif>yep :) no problem, this was a cool exploration into the underbelly of Debian
20:32<locsmif>I made my own /etc/ just now, fucking around a little bit, hehe..what fun..
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20:32<locsmif>ah...interesting :
20:33<locsmif>err :), I mean.
20:33<f3nix>it is about network-manager
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20:34<opend>hey guys, anyone knows how to install BROffice 3.0 on Lenny amd64?
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20:34<locsmif>Yes, but you see the same stuff passing by in the trace in
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20:35<locsmif>opend, no idea, if it's in apt, you could install it using apt..
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20:36<f3nix>locsmif: Ok. Going to bed. Thanks again. Good night!
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20:36<opend>on aptitude it just have version 2.4
20:37<opend>(Broffice its an openoffice translated for portuguese)
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20:43<locsmif>f3nix, np :)
20:43<gsimmons>opend: '' 3.0 is available in lenny-backports.
20:43<gsimmons>!tell opend -about
20:44<locsmif>f3nix, I've managed to replicate that splashy behavior ;-)
20:44<locsmif>well..sort of
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20:51<opend>i dont found it on backports
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20:53<locsmif>opend, apt-get update
20:54<opend>i added source like dpkg said. updated, keyringed/ updated but nothing found
20:54<opend>i added lenny
20:55<abrotman>opend: didn't find what?
20:56<opend>aptitude search broffice... just broffice 2.0 found
20:56<locsmif>not my cup of tea.
20:56<opend>ill try aptget
20:56<locsmif>opend, shouldn't matter much.
20:57<locsmif>apt-cache policy might show us something
20:57<locsmif>please paste @ though.
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20:59<locsmif>opend, apt-get install
20:59<abrotman>judd: versions
20:59<judd>abrotman: -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 sid: 1:2.4.1-12 lenny: 1:2.4.1-17 sid: 1:2.4.1-17 squeeze: 1:2.4.1-17 experimental: 1:3.0.1-1 lenny-backports: 1:3.0.1-7~bpo50+1 sid: 1:3.0.1-9 experimental: 1:3.1.0~rc1-1
20:59<abrotman>holy jeez
21:00<abrotman>anyways .. no lenny-backport ..
21:00<abrotman>oh .. yes there is
21:00<abrotman>aptitude -t lenny-backports install ?
21:01<locsmif>opend, you didn't try aptitude install broffice instead of aptitude install earlier, did you? :)
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21:03<locsmif>opend, well..? any luck?
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21:06<opend>install broffice dont works, it just tell that exists
21:06<opend>sorry, im with few memory and no swap
21:07<opend>"aptitude -t lenny-backports install" just install a file.
21:08<opend>not all packets of Broffice
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21:21<gargi>cahoot: you may be offline, I cant see your nick in my irssi, but thanks, my sound card is now working fine.
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21:22<gargi>cahoot: wanted to say, I was too tired last time. I had the speakers plugged into the wrong card! what a laugh!
21:22<gargi>cahoot: thanks for your patient help to this noob...
21:23<gargi>signing off.
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21:24<opend>how can i make a swap file?
21:25<opend>not a partition
21:25<opend>a file to use like swap.
21:25<themill>man mkswap
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21:30<kingsley>Is there an application that automatically discovers previously unknown categories within arbitrary text files?
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21:35<locsmif>kingsley, that's pretty vague, if you want to do that level of complex natural language operations I don't think there's a specific Debian package for that
21:36<themill>kingsley: there are things like strigi or beagle that provide desktop search capability
21:36*kingsley checks out the "autoclass" package...
21:37<gravity>kingsley: That's, aiui, an area of active research in machine learning
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21:39*gravity knows a postdoc working on just that problem
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21:41<herb>how do i install java into debian lennie?
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21:42<alec>herb: you want one of the openjdk-* packages; openjdk-6-jdk, probably
21:42<alec>aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk
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21:43<abrotman>or the -jre
21:44<alec>yeah, depends on what you want to do. I use icedtea6-plugin for applets; it uses openjdk, but for some reason isn't named that
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21:46<chealer>herb: you must mean lenny. depends on what you mean by "installing java"
21:46<kingsley>The "multimix" packages also appears to automatically discover classes in data.
21:46*kingsley needs to go ...
21:48<luca635>Hi, how do I do for a daemon that start automatically at boot, stop doing so? (without removing the files in /etc/init.d and /etc/rc*.d)
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21:51<Ben90>i got a question
21:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
21:52<abrotman>another one?
21:52<Ben90>i want to be able to access my windows drive in debian. is it possible?
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21:53<Ben90>i need to transfer some data over to to my other filesystems
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21:54<Ben90>!beer abrotman
21:54*dpkg pours a pint of Guinness for abrotman
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21:55<goodger>Ben90: you received dpkg's message from me about ntfs-3g?
21:56<Ben90>one sec
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22:02<luca635>abrotman: thank you. Is this command, used by debian package installation script? I mean, I am going to do a simple 'update-rc.d remove'. Will a dpkg-reconfigure set it back again (in /etc/rc*.d)? (In case I want default behavior back)
22:04<abrotman>luca635: it has a man page toread
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22:06<lskfjlsdk>i'm trying to get my logitech dual-action working on lenny. i don't think it's currently being recognized. it's plugged in and the light is on.
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22:08<luca635>abrotman: okay, thank you
22:08<lskfjlsdk>any gamers?
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22:14<stevecotton>lskfjlsdk: does /dev/input/js0 exist?
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22:16<stevecotton>lskfjlsdk: try installing package "joystick", then seeing if "jstest /dev/input/js0" looks promising
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22:22<Steven_M>hi all
22:23<Steven_M>what's url for debian's time server?
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22:26<supreme>anyone have any idea how to fix the problem in or can point me in the right direction
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22:27<supreme>I cant install any update till that kernel is either fully installed or removed
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22:34<nas>hello guys in postfix, what does a multiple-valued relay_domains mean?
22:34<nas>relay_domains = proxy:ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap/, hash:/etc/postfix/relay_domains
22:35<nas>if the first option is unable to connect to LDAP will it error or will it try the second one?
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23:58<chihchun>any news on gnome 2.24 in sid?
23:58<Nemoder>Is there no php-gtk2 package for Debian or was it renamed or something?
23:58<chihchun>I just upgrade the system by mistake, and it removed gnome-* ...
23:58<chihchun>can not get them installed at this moment
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