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---Logopened Fri Apr 10 00:00:48 2009
00:06<keith>Debian 5. I used a new HD to install successfully Debian 5 and used the old HD Debian 4 as a slave. The old HD (slave)appears to be mounted and recognized but it claims to only have 243.1 MB volume. When trying to open it it gives the error message 'could not open volume. You are not priviliged to mount this volume.' Any help on this one?
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00:07<Xenguy>keith: weird - check out /etc/fstab (usually controls mount points etc when booting up)
00:07<Xenguy>keith: be root
00:07<Xenguy>and backup
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00:09<chealer>deniz_: you can report wishes regarding any version, but the stable version is updated infrequently. your report will of course be useless if the feature is already implemented in a newer version.
00:10<chealer>Silicium01: did you try asking #php ?
00:10<keith>I put in the slave into fstab but when trying to do a mount command it gives the error message 'already mounted' or such like.
00:10<Silicium01>chealer, I actually pasted in wrond window, sorry :)
00:11<ga_bash>malliaros, its menuconfig. and not manuconfig.
00:11<chealer>keith: when trying to open it how?
00:11<malliaros>yes i know :P
00:12<malliaros>but i take this:
00:12<malliaros>*** multiple target patterns. Stop.
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00:16<keith>chealer: On the Desktop. When clicking 'Computer' there is a list of drives and one Which I think is the 'slave' since there is nothing else attached to my computer other than the DVD drive.
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00:17<chealer>keith: which desktop environment do you use?
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00:18<keith>Chealer: Gnome
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00:23<keith>I also should have pointed out that the slave is supposed to have a volume of 80 gig.
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00:39<diego>hi, can any of you estimate the release of kde4 for testing
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01:02<beer>looks like kde 3.5 has gone for good in sid. Long live kde 3.5
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01:36<Supaplex>does xen still cluster f$%k itself when using nvidia video adapters in xorg? (dom0, lenny).
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03:14<leviathan>hello people :D
03:16<leviathan>:), any people here has used slackware linux some days?
03:16<streuner>ask a debian related question
03:16<leviathan>streuner, sorry oO
03:18<leviathan>streuner, i need to configure my music keys of my keyboard
03:18<leviathan>but it no is translated :\
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03:18<leviathan>streuner, bye bye guy, sorry any things :\
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03:29<Guest292>nickname trendy
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03:32<xlotlu>are pdiffs stored on mirrors as .pdiff or as .gz?
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03:34<petern>hmm, gnash doesn't really work too well :(
03:35<streuner>!doesn't work
03:35<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
03:35<xlotlu>that really doesn't apply to gnash..
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03:37<petern>heh, indeed, i was not asking for help with it :)
03:37<petern>just an idle comment, sorry
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03:38<Supaplex>what's all the gnashing about now? ;)
03:38<xlotlu>petern: : it works well enough for flash < 8, but that's not much these days
03:39<xlotlu>petern: you might want to try this:
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03:39<R49n4r0K>hello depher
03:39<snogglethorpe>petern: recent versions of swfdec work a bit better
03:39<xlotlu>..and you know the mantra. you could always submit patches, especially now that swf is open-specced :)
03:39<R49n4r0K>i want to ask something
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03:41<ga_bash>hello guys... whats a nameserver hostname
03:41<Supaplex>petern: bad pun eh? :)
03:41<streuner>you already did
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03:41<petern>Supaplex, i groaned, yes ;)
03:41<R49n4r0K>hello Supaplex
03:41<Supaplex>hi, R49n4r0K
03:42<petern>xlotlu ... contribute? ... how rare
03:42<R49n4r0K>i want ask something with you
03:42<dpkg>petern, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level
03:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
03:43<R49n4r0K>i need shell account
03:43<Supaplex>install your own
03:43<R49n4r0K>my os is linux mint velica 6
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03:43<Supaplex>then you already have a shell account
03:43<R49n4r0K>i need email from debian
03:44<Supaplex>debian isn't gmail. :)
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03:44<R49n4r0K>form ?
03:44<R49n4r0K>is there ?
03:44<R49n4r0K>i need email from debian user
03:45*Supaplex draws a confused look
03:45<streuner>R49n4r0K: why?
03:46<Supaplex>you want someone to email you?
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03:46<Supaplex>or do you want your very own email account?
03:46<robybrasov>hi guys
03:46<streuner>(in that case you must be an DD)
03:47<robybrasov>can someone help me with wine?
03:47<robybrasov>or isn't this the right place to ask?
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03:47<robybrasov>ok. i've installed gta san andreas and it runs very slowly
03:47<R49n4r0K> you want someone to email you? <----- yes
03:48<streuner>R49n4r0K: why?
03:48<robybrasov>i've also installed the ati drivers for my video card
03:48<robybrasov>i don't know that
03:48<Necrun>robybrasov, try cedega, i don't think wine has a good support for games
03:48<robybrasov>i'm running world of warcraft under wine, and it works great
03:48<R49n4r0K>Supaplex, | you want someone to email you? <----- yes
03:48<robybrasov>even better than under windows
03:48<robybrasov>and counter strike 1.6
03:48<petern>some games work well, others don't
03:48<robybrasov>both of them work really great
03:49<Supaplex>R49n4r0K: well I can't help you. I saw your response the first time.
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03:49<penpen>robybrasov: i would consult the wine appdb for issues related to specific games
03:49<Supaplex>R49n4r0K: I don't have an email address.
03:50<R49n4r0K>who have a server debian for email ?
03:50<robybrasov>i saw some videos on youtube with gta san andreas running with wine, and it worked ok. someone added a comment and asked how that good performance was achieved. and the answer was, that he did something in regedit.
03:50<Supaplex>R49n4r0K: you never answered the 'why' question...
03:51<R49n4r0K>i need because i love free open source..
03:51<EmleyMoor>R49n4r0K: I doubt that would qualify you
03:51<Necrun>ok it smells like troll
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03:53<Supaplex>R49n4r0K: ask for a reply. he's on vacation until 2388 AD. ;)
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03:53<R49n4r0K>Supaplex, via emai ?l
03:53<robybrasov>@Necrun, thanks for the link
03:54<Supaplex>R49n4r0K: well yeah
03:54<Necrun>np, it seems depends a lot of the hw settings, wine version and the resolution
03:54<R49n4r0K>but now my email is gmail
03:55<Supaplex>but my /ignore is for you.
03:55<EmleyMoor>R49n4r0K: So?
03:55<R49n4r0K>is it never mind for ask to
03:55<R49n4r0K>EmleyMoor, who is you ?
03:55<R49n4r0K>EmleyMoor, who are you ?
03:56*EmleyMoor is what he is
03:56<Supaplex>too bad I never asked R49n4r0K what his email address is. :) oh well.
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03:57<ArthurLiu>-R49n4r0K- VERSION xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu
03:57*EmleyMoor has been using Debian for nearly 10 years, including working on packages when they don't perform as required.
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03:58<Supaplex>ArthurLiu: he already said he was using mint* which is based on ubuntu.
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03:59<R49n4r0K>ok Supaplex ..i will ask
03:59<EmleyMoor>mint is therefore second degree based on Debian - which of course means it's not Debian
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04:10<Oyashiro>is it posible to manualy change IP,netmask,gateway and MAC before starting netinstall form cd ?
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04:13<Supaplex>sounds like you want the expert mode; if it's available.
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04:14<Oyashiro>i know manual netconfiguration is avaible during instaltuion, but i'm not confident if a can change mac
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04:20<Supaplex>Oyashiro: the ifconfig binary may support it. man ifconfig, see hw class address. you'll have to switch to tty2
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04:23<Oyashiro>ok, will try, thnx
04:23<r0x>Hi there debian users well i would like to ask yesterday i install unetboot to create a usb instaler net install everything went welll till last step it asked if i want to install grub so i did but then it could not load ooerating system maybe was the version i downloaded has anyone did this before thanks in advance
04:23<lunar>r0x, grub can be incompatible with certain filesystems, XFS for example IIRC. did it give you that type of warning?
04:24<r0x>no it said the install was complete i rebooted then could not load it
04:24<r0x>only have one pc so i had to go back to winblows
04:24<EmleyMoor>If I want a USB stick as an install medium for networked systems what size do I need?
04:25<r0x>error code was 22
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04:25<lunar>that's complicated to diagnose online, but other than poking around in it with a LiveCD and a shell, you could just reinstall and select LILO instead
04:26<lunar>google that error code along such as "debian install unetboot error 22 grub" and see if that comes up with anything.
04:26<EmleyMoor>(can I have a single stick that can do both i386 and amd64?)
04:26<lunar>speaking from personal experience, Grub and I have not been good friends. I use it successfully with Ubuntu, but my Debian unstable server uses LILO.
04:27<lunar>EmleyMoor, you mean as a netinst? I think the image is about 100MB. I don't know about the mixed architectures tho.
04:27<r0x>seems grub never found partition
04:27<lunar>100, 150... not very big at all.
04:27<EmleyMoor>grub has been fine for me except on boards like BP6
04:28<lunar>r0x, that sounds analogous to what I was describing, which is hard to explain (and I don't remember the details) but it's a known issue that the latest installer will warn you about. what filesystem did you choose?
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04:28<judab_>Hi everyone i have problem with dt_ssh process which running on my systen and bring bandwidth to 80mbit per second
04:28<judab_>and then i am unable to access my server
04:28<r0x>when i selected the partitions it formatted them to .xt3 iam sure
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04:30<lunar>ext3 should not give you that problem. do you have a RAID chip onboard?
04:31<judab_>does anyone familer with dt_ssh ???
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04:32<judab_>I need assistance i have dt_ssh running on my server and making me nuts
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04:32<r0x>lunar this is the parts iam unsure i just been reading up on the basics maybe theres an easyier distro to install that uses debian as its backbone i have used ubuntu at my friends place but very sluggish
04:33<EmleyMoor>judab_: What exactly is dt_ssh and where did you get it?
04:33<judab_>EmleyMoor: Actually i didnt get it , i found it in my /tmp directory owned by apache and i see alot of process of dt_ssh
04:34<Catprog>How do I start a program as a user on boot?
04:34<lunar>r0x, how old is the machine you're installing on?
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04:34<r0x>its a dell dimension 3100
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04:34<EmleyMoor>judab_: OK, it likely has something to do with apache - where did you geh]t apache?
04:34<EmleyMoor>get, even
04:34<lunar>r0x, hmm I'm not familiar with that machine, what CPU does it have if you know?
04:35<lunar>r0x, I can tell you that Dell has, at least in the past, used somewhat proprietary hardware in places, just enough to force you to buy their replacement parts. however, I don't think it would present the kind of problem like you'd see from, say, a Highpoint RAID controller botching your bootup.
04:36<judab_>EmleyMoor: apt-get
04:36<r0x>its a p4 3.2GHz;
04:36<lunar>okay then it's pretty new, that shouldn't be an issue
04:37<judab_>EmleyMoor: i dont understand it looks like i delete the whole /tmp directory and the file pop up again after few hours
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04:37<EmleyMoor>judab_: OK, wel, all indications show that this is likely the right place to ask - though I don't know your problem
04:37<lunar>r0x, honestly I don't know, but I'm hardly a guru. my advice would be, try debian again, using testing or unstable (newer releases), and use LILO instead. if it still exists, then you're dealing with a hardware incompatibility perhaps, or special kernel configuration you'll have to pass.
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04:37<r0x>why i wanted to use usb install is theres no cd burner so maybe i best buy a burner then download the install cds different versions then try them all
04:37<EmleyMoor>judab_: Quite likely - look for the cause rather than the effect
04:38<judab_>EmleyMoor: i have goole a little bit, dt_ssh looks like ssh brute force
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04:38<lunar>r0x, well you don't have to burn the entire CD, a netinst image should fit on a USB, and with a P4 you surely can boot from USB. it just gets the bare minimum of files it needs, and downloads the rest.
04:38<judab_>**: It looks like the apache have vurnability which allow users to create files in /tmp
04:38<judab_>**: and some how to execute the file
04:38<lunar>r0x, assuming you have broadband... it's not something you want to try on dialup :)
04:39<r0x>so in the setup i chose basic system and not select desktop setup
04:39<EmleyMoor>judab_: What version is your apache package?
04:39<r0x>will the basic still load and get internet acces
04:39<lunar>r0x, that said, burners are dirt cheap, though... like $30 gets you a LightScribe even.
04:39<lunar>yes, it should. desktop is the x-windows program and probably gnome.
04:39<judab_>EmleyMoor: apache2
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04:40<lunar>but the underlying system should have dhcp and what you need to be online.
04:40<EmleyMoor>What version of the apache2 package?
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04:40<lunar>ergo, the basic system
04:40<r0x>yeah i think buying a burner will be easyier option as trying with usb i will pull my hair out and wigs are more expensive than a burner
04:41<lunar>r0x, whichever you prefer. it may in fact be easier to burn CDs than fool with a USB stick.
04:41<judab_>EmleyMoor: apt-get update; apt-get install apache2
04:41<lunar>+sudo ;)
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04:41<EmleyMoor>Yes but what is the version? 2.2.what-mhat?
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04:42<r0x>lunar well thank you very much for your advice yeah i will wait till get some pennys go buy a burner thanks again
04:43<lunar>r0x, not a problem
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04:45<EmleyMoor>judab_: Do you not know how to find out?
04:46*lunar is off to figure out why this VAXen is refusing my SSH.
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04:47<EmleyMoor>judab_: dpkg -l | grep apache
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04:48<judab_>EmleyMoor: Actually the apache were install manually from tar.gz file without apt-get
04:48<judab_>EmleyMoor: It is part of directadmin installation , are you familer with DirectAdmin ?
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04:49<EmleyMoor>judab_: No
04:49<judab_>EmleyMoor: Anyway the apache has been complied from scratch and customized to webhosting pannel named directadmin
04:49<judab_>EmleyMoor: check
04:49<judab_>EmleyMoor: Anyway i need to find how to do not allow apache to execute files
04:50<judab_>any security article for apache anyone ?
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05:16<sancsengp>hi all
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05:27<Sancsengo>hi all again...
05:28<Sancsengo>is there anybody here who is pro in debian? :$
05:28<Sancsengo>some guru or idunno :\
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05:46<Bohne2k7[RKN]>i've got some problems booting debian 5.0 on my thinkpad r61 from cd/dvd.
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05:47<Bohne2k7[RKN]>when booting from cd/dvd (i tried both) the system stops with a black screen, the cursor is blinking in the top left corner and there are 5 strange symbols spread over the rest of the screen
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05:57<Sancsengo>anybody could help me please? :$ i cant see my ntfs partitions :S
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06:03<gunavara>hey guys have anyone used group-office ?
06:03<jm_>Sancsengo: no msgs please -- you can do the same in Debian
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06:05<petern>didn't dillo used to be in debian? :s
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06:06<jm_>petern: it still is (in some releases)
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06:07<petern>in etch and sid but not lenny
06:07<petern>i guess it has... issues
06:07<jm_>right, or testing
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06:10*petern tries out arora
06:11<petern>it a bit bigger than dillo, but smaller than firefox
06:12<Bohne2k7[RKN]>how can i install debian on my thinkpad r61? either the dvd nor the businesscard/cd is booting. seems to be a problem with the nVidia onboard-gpu. only the live-cd is booting without problems.
06:12<jm_>Bohne2k7[RKN]: that is unlikely to be causing the issues
06:12<petern>booting? booting doesn't require a gpu...
06:13<jm_>do you see syslinux screen with debian logo?
06:14<jm_>then it doesn't even start loading the kernel
06:14<Bohne2k7[RKN]>i just a black screen. cursor is blinking in top left corner. and 5 strange symbols are spread over the screen.
06:15<Bohne2k7[RKN]>no reactions on any keys
06:15<Bohne2k7[RKN]>the live cd ( is working fine
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06:17<jm_>yeah then boot loader doesn't work
06:17<Bohne2k7[RKN]>any solutions? i really want to use debian. :)
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06:22<jm_>well you should verify that CD is written properly
06:22<jm_>does it work in any other machine?
06:22<Bohne2k7[RKN]>it does
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06:26<jm_>ok so that's not it then - another option would be to boot from USB
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06:53<klh>I upgraded gnome to 2.24.3, since nautilus can not show network places, its message : "nautilus don't recognize network places"
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07:02<wekt>What are good ways to find out which installed packages use the most disk space? Other suggestions for increasing available disk space (without installing more hardware)? I do have an external disk sometimes mounted. and have /usr/local/share and /var/cache on it. and have /tmp, /var/tmp /var/run/lock as tmpfs.
07:03<ArthurLiu>wekt, "wajig size"
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07:06<wekt>Thanks, ArthurLiu.
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07:16<ijuz>wekt: you could search for useless packages with debfoster and deborphan; when you don't mind screwing up the package management you could also compress binaries with UPX
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07:17<wekt>ijuz: I'm surprised UPX would screw package management. Or will it only screw up debsums and make it complain? I'll look into debfoster. I just did : deborphan|xargs -l sudo dpkg -r
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07:18<ijuz>well, of course only checksums
07:18<wekt>When BTFS is semi-stable and has compression, I may try that.
07:19<wekt>ReiserFS had compression. had some other nice features. Pity about that.
07:19<ijuz>i have no idea what you are doing, you could also put everything in a squashfs or cromfs or something similar
07:19<ijuz>and use unionfs on top of it
07:19<jm_>aptitude can show you installed-size field for installed packages
07:20<wekt>ijuz: have an ultralightweight notebook w/4GB disk as only computer.
07:20<ijuz>some of this netbooks?
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07:22<wekt>I squeeze a lot of functionality out of this little piece but it's still limiting. It's an ASUS EeePC. My recommendation: Don't buy one. Asus cheets on GPL.
07:23<ijuz>just put in a SDcard or get a bigger SSD for it?
07:24<ijuz>ok, not sure about the later, but sdcard works
07:24<wekt>ijuz: I need the SD slot free to swap camera photos in.
07:25<ijuz>get USB device for this task
07:25<wekt>jm_: I'm having trouble finding the size Column in aptitude. Can I have a hint on where to find it?
07:25<wekt>jm_: thanks already for the info that aptitude can do it.
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07:26<ijuz>you could as well use apt-cache info <package> for all packages and use a script to search for the biggest ones, but that is a no brainer, there can't be sooo many packages on a 4GB disk, just use debfoster to check them all
07:27<tenzind>is it possible to make a diff of a folder on my machine and another on a remote machine??
07:27<jm_>wekt: aptitude -F '%p %I' search '~i'
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07:27<wekt>ijuz: mwajig size worked well.
07:29<wekt>tenzind: if you want to sync, there is unisync and others. Otherwise only way I know is to make remote accessible as disk. Or you can create an mdsum file like with md5sum.
07:29<ArthurLiu>tenzind, sshfs + meld
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07:30<ijuz>probably also doable very user friendly over fish, no idea if meld is based on the KDE stuff
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07:31<tenzind>thanks .... will read on all these stuffs ..
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07:31<wekt>tenzid: if KDE then kdiff3 or other KDE app over fish:// . for fish you need ssh.
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07:42<wekt>find big files with aptitude (courtesey principally of jm_): aptitude -F '%I %p' search '~i'|egrep '^[0-9]+[\.,]?[0-9]*[MG]B'|sort -n
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07:45<jm_>wekt: naah one can't use that to find big files, find has such capabilities
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07:45<wekt>sory. I misspoke. I mean big packages.
07:46<wekt>big installed packages
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08:01<pawel>how to unpack .tar.bz2 files?
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08:01<gsimmons>!tell pawel -about tar
08:02<pawel>NAS:~/slimrat# tar zxvf sli*
08:02<pawel>gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
08:03<pawel>tar: Child returned status 1
08:03<pawel>tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
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08:04<deejoe>pawel: z is for gzipped files, not bzip2 files
08:04<Torsten_W>pawel: bz is bzip, not gzip
08:04<deejoe>for that, subsitute j for z
08:05<pawel>NAS:~/slimrat# tar jvxxz slimrat-0.9.4.tar.bz2
08:05<pawel>tar: Conflicting compression options
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08:06<jm_>just read what dpkg told you already
08:06<ranix>tarzeau: that means you are using both z and j
08:06<jm_>or start using aunpack
08:06<ranix>or unp
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08:08<pawel>look at this
08:08<pawel>NAS:~/slimrat# ls && tar -jxvf slimrat-0.9.4.tar.bz2
08:09<pawel>tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
08:09<pawel>tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
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08:10<pawel>what is this??!
08:10<gsimmons>pawel: Install bzip2.
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08:13<petern>heh, try reading the errors :o
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08:17<richi_>hello has someone a howto "how to create a debian mirror"? Just Sync from a other mirror over rsync. I have used apt-proxy(or what is name was) for a mirror, but it was only temporary
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08:20<valdyn>richi_: whats wrong with it so you dont use it permanently?
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08:21<richi_>doesnt work fine for me and i want a full offline mirror...
08:22<koollman>there's documentation on, I think
08:22<koollman>but, be careful, a full mirror is rather big
08:22<jm_>!dstats stable
08:23<valdyn>judd: info debmirror
08:23<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18609 packages, 1733 maintainers, 41582 MB installed size, 13683 MB compressed size.
08:23<judd>valdyn: debmirror (net): is extra; Version: 20070123; Size: 29.6k; Installed: 128k -- Debian partial mirror script, with ftp and package pool support
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08:25<richi_>we have over 40 computers so a full mirror wouldnt make a problem ;)
08:26<jm_>apt-cache will probably be good enough for that, LWN had an article comparing two of those solutions
08:26<valdyn>richi_: just huge overkill
08:26<jm_>apt cache even
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08:26<valdyn>!debian stats
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08:26<valdyn>jm_: you mean apt-cacher
08:26<jm_>valdyn: no, as in any apt caching mechanism
08:27<bremner>what do people like as a graphical irc client? I like konversation well enough, but I'm curious about things less tied to KDE.
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08:28<bremner>or gnome for that matter
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08:30<bremner>or (yikes) mono
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08:59<yubinjie> how to install a new theme
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09:00<RainCT>yubinjie: GNOME?
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09:00<yubinjie>I want to chang my theme
09:00<RainCT>yubinjie: Then I don't know, but I guess there's some Appearance/Theme/whatever window where you can change the theme and with an "Install..." button to add new ones from a file
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09:02<yubinjie>i can't see theme in appearance
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09:02<Hideo>heh, I asked dpkg about kernel modesetting and it asked me if I'm smoking crack
09:02<RainCT>yubinjie: Style perhaps?
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09:04<yubinjie>I see style and theme in setting manager
09:04<yubinjie>thank you
09:04<RainCT>no problem
09:05<RainCT>Do all Debian mirrors automatically use diffs for the Release file (ie, when doing "apt-get update")?
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09:06<yubinjie>Actually I want to install a new theme , how to
09:07<RainCT>yubinjie: Isn't there an "Install" button somewhere? Else try drag'n'dropping the theme file into the list of themes
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09:19<ranix>I wiped a disk by doing a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
09:19<ranix>I assume this sets every bit to zero
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09:19<ranix>I'd like to now set every bit to 1
09:19<ranix>generating random numbers is too cpu intensive for me
09:20<ranix>How would I do that?
09:21<koollman>I suppose one could use tr ...
09:21<ranix>tr uses stdout
09:21<ranix>dd does not
09:21<jm_>does it have to be all 1? otherwise yes|dd might help
09:22<ranix>oh I didn't know one could pipe to dd
09:22<ranix>I was kind of hoping it would be all 1
09:22<jm_>well similar tool will help then, just write relevant output
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09:26<koollman>ranix: ahah. tr '\0' '\377' < /dev/zero > /dev/sda
09:26<djc>/dev/urandom shouldbt be cpu intensive
09:26<djc>if it is, something is wrong with your system
09:26<koollman>djc: it is. really.
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09:27<djc>Fine. Generate a few KB of random data with it, in advance, then use it as a repeat pattern
09:27<djc>instead of generating a full disk of random
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09:28<koollman>ranix: but ... what are you trying to do ?
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09:28<djc>presumably, secure-wiping his porn collection
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09:28<koollman>oh. I can understand that. I mean, we don't want to see it, ever, right ? :)
09:29<djc>before donating his old HD to his local religious charity
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09:29<djc>after making a backup copy to DVD
09:29<ranix>koollman: bit-flip a drive that has been wiped to 0
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09:29<ranix>that may or may not contain patient medical records
09:29<djc>ranix, I think the question was "why?"
09:30<koollman>is there a point in reusing the disk at all ? how 'secure' do you want to be ?
09:30<djc>is it of sufficient capacity to be reused?
09:30<benneben>hi, my network interface is gone, when I do ifconfig, eth0 is gone
09:30<benneben>doing lspci -v, i can see the network card
09:30<ranix>it doesn't have to be horrifically securt
09:30<benneben>any idea's?
09:30<ranix>if it did, I'd just use shred
09:30<djc>if not, just pull the screws out of the drive, fill it with sand or cement
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09:30<ranix>the VA requires 0s, 1s, 0s, 1s, 0s
09:30<koollman>ranix: well, the 'writing zero over it' is good enough, I think, then. but, the tr command I shown would write ones
09:30<djc>or bash it with a sledgehammer
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09:30<ranix>thanks koollman
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09:31<djc>the point is wether you are protecting against someone 'accidentally' coming across it or someone intentionionally from doing so
09:31<koollman>if it's sensitive, I would just destroy it. disks are cheap, data leaks aren't
09:31<gsimmons>benneben: Does your interface appear in "ifconfig -a" output?
09:31<djc>then the first full wipe of zero's is plenty
09:31<Yoda-BZH`Wk>or you can use low-level format tools provided by your hdd manufacturer
09:31<ranix>the information itself I would personally classify as not worthwhile
09:31<djc>no one is 'acceidentally' going to use data-recovery tools on a drive
09:31<koollman>well, the first pass is enough. you can't recover the data unless you are really trying to
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09:31<ranix>HIPAA itself is kind of retarded
09:32<djc>unless, I suppose, within a day or two of subsequently reusing it, it crashes, and they need to recover what they put on it
09:32<koollman>but, well ... regulations may be stupid. do as they ask :)
09:32<Guest321>using evince in lenny...when filling in pdf forms, the text disappears when when the focus leaves the field.
09:32<djc>and the recovery firm recovers the previous data too
09:32<benneben>hi, my network interface is gone, when I do ifconfig, eth0 is gone
09:32<benneben>doing lspci -v, i can see the network card
09:32<benneben>any idea's?
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09:33<vezult>using evince in lenny...when filling in pdf forms, the text disappears when when the focus leaves the field.
09:33<ranix>I figure a "0, 1, 0" wipe would be sufficient for saying "oh I didn't know"
09:33<djc>benneben, "<gsimmons> benneben: Does your interface appear in "ifconfig -a" output?"
09:33<vezult>is there any way to fix this?
09:33<vezult>or is this a known bug?
09:33<benneben>hmz, I get an eth1 in there
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09:34<djc>benneben, what brand/model of nic do you have?
09:34<benneben>it's a vm in virtualbox
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09:34<benneben>recognizes it as AMD 79c970
09:34<djc>check the mac address of the current eth1 as shown in ifconfig
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09:34<djc>reboot the vm, do ifconfig -a again, and see if the mac has channged
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09:35<benneben>sec, trying...
09:35<djc>if it does, then its becuase udev isn't seeing it as the same network card as the last boot
09:37<djc>also, it will likely show up next time as eth2, if thats whats happening
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09:40<djc>if that is whats happening, then as long as the first 3 bytes of the nic stay the same, you could try following the same solution as for the forcedeth driver. (see msg from dpkg).. but substitute the first 3 bytes of your nic for the ones dpkg mentions for forcedeth
09:40<djc>!tell benneben about forcedeth mac
09:40<benneben>k worx
09:41<benneben>I used the vmdisk on another pc before
09:42<djc>Ok.. thats the problem then
09:42<benneben>and the version of virtualbox is different, and I think he used a different virtual card
09:42<djc>go in and edit the udev rules, just delete the entry for both eth0 and eth1
09:42<benneben>type of virtual NIC
09:42<wekt>I'm working on a wiki page and can use some information or ideas for addition. such as: reasons not to do (cd /usr/bin;strip --strip-unneeded)
09:42<djc>then when it boots up next, it will redetect
09:42<djc>delete eth0, and edit eth1 to say eth0
09:42<djc>go in /etc/udev/rules.d
09:43<djc>and grep for eth0
09:43<djc>the file mentioned in dpkg's msg doesnt match whats on my lenny sys
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09:43<djc>mine is 70-persistent-net.rules
09:44<wekt>I also wonder: why is moinMoin not giving me the graphical editor? I have JavaScript.
09:44<djc>wtf is moinMoin
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09:45<benneben>yup found
09:45<wekt>djc: wiki
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09:45<benneben>then reboot, or can I do something like modprobe?
09:45<djc>benneben, shut down and restart networking?
09:45<djc>/etc/init.d/network restart
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09:47<djc>If you are running near the end of your disk space, then you probably forgot to put /usr and /home on seperate partitions
09:47<benneben>nope, still eth1
09:47<djc>benneben, did you delete the entries or did you move the eth1 info to eth1?
09:47<djc>to eth0
09:47<djc>try network stop
09:47<benneben>deleted the eth0 line and changed eth1 to eth0
09:47<djc>then lsmod
09:48<djc>and rmmod the amd net module
09:48<djc>then try again
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09:48<djc>restart udev
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09:48<djc>or reload, at least
09:49<djc>/etc/init.d/udev restart
09:49<djc>restart udev didnt help?
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09:49<benneben>/etc/init.d/networking stop
09:49<benneben>/etc/init.d/udev restart
09:49<benneben>/etc/init.d/networking start
09:49<benneben>same result in ifconfig
09:49<djc>then I dunno.. try reboot then
09:49<djc>before reboot, make sure that rules file edits stuck
09:51<benneben>reboot did the trick :p
09:51<patrikf>um. I've got a screwed-up ext3 fs. I have a directory with a mtime of 1970-01-01 that I cannot remove as root... any ideas how I get rid of that directory?
09:52<benneben>djc: thx a lot
09:52<gsimmons>wekt: The GUI editor was disabled after the upgrade to moinmoin v1.7, due to security issues involving the included fckeditor version. It also broke other things, see #512368 in the BTS.
09:52<wekt>patrikf: wow! How did you manage that?
09:52<wekt>thanks gsimmons
09:52<djc>patrikf, have you run fsck on that fs?
09:52<patrikf>wekt: somehow, my notebook is picky on the ordering of RAM modules
09:52<patrikf>djc: yes
09:53<patrikf>if you call fixing 1000 errors success, yes
09:53<wekt>patrikf: if you have an AMI BIOS, some corrupt memory.
09:53<djc>id suggest running it again until it reports no errors
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09:54<patrikf>djc: fsck says the fs is clean
09:55<djc>and rmdir still chokes?
09:55<patrikf>as does chmod
09:55<patrikf>or chown
09:55<djc>what error does it give
09:55<patrikf>"Operation not permitted"... I'm root...
09:55<djc>chattr ?
09:55<djc>perhaps it got made immutable
09:55<patrikf>djc: no output
09:56<djc>lsattr (directory) gives no output?
09:56<patrikf>do I have to mount with -o acl or something for that to work, maybe?
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09:57<djc>i made a dir immutable,
09:57<djc>apparenly you cant lsattr a dir
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09:57<djc>chattr -i (folder)
09:58<djc>lsattr -d (folder)
09:58<djc>need the d to show dirs
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09:59<patrikf># lsattr -d mkdir => --D-adAc-Z-E-It-- mkdir
09:59<djc>holy crap
09:59<patrikf>(yes, /bin/mkdir has become a directory)
09:59<djc>"i" is immutable
09:59<djc>ive no idea wtd the others are
09:59<ranix>it's loud, but I wouldn't call it immutable
09:59<djc>man chattr
10:00<djc>oh yeah it has upper I
10:00<patrikf>chattr -a did the trick
10:00<djc>dunno what that is either
10:01<djc>append only
10:01<patrikf>("can only be opened in append mode")
10:01<djc>I assume that was your root fs
10:02<djc>if /bin was on it
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10:02<djc>Was that all it was? eg /home, /var, and /usr were elsewhere?
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10:02<patrikf>no. everything on there (notebook)... it wouldn't have mattered anyways
10:02<patrikf>however, I've found my home in /lost+found :D
10:03<djc>Keeping / as small as possible, and with very little path's that get written to often, is a good idea
10:03<patrikf>and no important data on the notebook anyways, so lucky me
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10:03<djc>about the only thing that gets written much on my sys on / is /etc
10:03<djc>even /tmp is on its own fs
10:04<djc>so / rarely has anything open for writing
10:05<djc>If one wants to get pedantic, you could almost mount it RO
10:05<patrikf>hrm. originally, I wanted to aptitude reinstall '~i'... but I guess I'm going to erase everything now
10:05*patrikf sees other weird extended attributes waiting
10:05<djc>see above abput partitions
10:05<patrikf>looks a bit like nethack
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10:06<djc>use df on an installed system to get ideas about how much space for various partitions
10:06<djc>Ive got /tmp /usr /var and /home all seperate
10:06<djc>/ is 500M, using only about 150M
10:06<wekt>patrikf: I think you would make a good tester for recovery of file systems!
10:07<djc>and /boot seperate, of course
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10:07<djc>if yer shits that wacky, better to save any useful data, and reinstall
10:07<patrikf>wekt: I certainly would mind doing that less if the data on them wasn't mine ;-)
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10:08<djc>btw this 500M / is on a 320G drive ;)
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10:09<djc>/home is 250G, just for reference
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10:12<djc>Wow.. and 132M of that 150M is in /lib
10:13<djc>Could almost put that seperate.. although that might be needed for bootup
10:13<Marx1982>I have just upgraded my system, but gnome disappeared from GDM... could anybody help me?
10:13<djc>Upgraded from what to what?
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10:14<djc>and if you log in, what do you get in place of gnome?
10:14<Marx1982>from an older version of unstable ...probably from ver 4 to 5
10:14<djc>sarge, etch ?
10:14<Marx1982>djc, the other windows manager
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10:15<wchen01>rien de personne
10:15<djc>1. gnome isnt a windows manager, its a session manager. 2. there are dozens of 'other' window and session managers
10:15<Marx1982>djc, unstable....don't know the codename
10:15<Marx1982>djc, I'm using Icewm
10:15<djc>the problem is 'unstable' is a moving target
10:15<djc>you dont want to install 'stable', or 'unstable', you want to install a specific release
10:16<djc>current release is lenny
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10:16<djc>akak 5.0.0
10:16<Marx1982>djc, ok....I was using unstable before 5.0 comes out
10:17<djc>before 5.0.0 was released it _was_ 'unstable'
10:17<Marx1982>djc, uh....ok...
10:17<djc>now unstable points at squeeze
10:17<djc>and stable points at lenny
10:17<bremner>err, testing points at squeeze, no?
10:17<djc>er, right
10:18<djc>what does unstable point to again?
10:18<djc>or is that permanently sid?
10:18<bremner>sid, always
10:18<djc>ah ok.
10:18<djc>so you wee using sid before
10:18<djc>and you upgraded to what?
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10:18<bremner>technically testing is "what will be squeeze, eventually"
10:18<djc>can one even install sid?
10:18<Marx1982>djc, so, the first thing I have to do is to find out which version I had before the upgrade
10:18<ranix>when someone says they are using "unstable" they usually mean sid
10:18<bremner>djc: sure, typing from it, but not recommended if you have to ask :-)
10:19<ranix>even though 'testing' is called 'testing/unstable'
10:19<ranix>Squeeze, now
10:19<djc>also suggest instead of using a generic term for whchever release you are using, use its actual release name
10:19<djc>eg 'lenny'
10:19<djc>also in your sources.list
10:19<dpkg>i heard nomenclature is how we refer to Debian releases, branches and versions - see for a guide
10:19<djc>dont put 'stable'. put 'lenny'
10:19<ranix>just brush up on the lexicon
10:20<Marx1982> deb unstable main contrib non-free
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10:20<ranix>unstable is pure sid
10:20<djc>I note that page refers to 'testing' and 'unstable' as moving targets, but doesnt mention that about 'stable'.. even though stable also can move when a release happens
10:21<ranix>hm that used to be a factoid
10:21<ranix>stable is a moving target
10:21<djc>skip the -
10:22<djc>!moving target
10:22<dpkg>Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Config file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that.
10:22<djc>but even stable moves
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10:22<azeem>djc: stable doesn't move, it sometimes jumps
10:22<djc>er.. ok.. well one has to move to jump
10:22<petern>it's not moving all the time
10:22<djc>I'd like to see you try to jump without moving ;)
10:22<azeem>are you playing phyiscs jokes now?
10:23<azeem>a "moving target" is a well-defined term
10:23<azeem>it certianly doesn't mean "stand still for two years, then jump once"
10:23<djc>Ok, accepted.
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10:23<ranix>the difference between "stable" and "etch" in sources.list isn't properly clarified to new users in my opinion
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10:24<djc>However the set of software point to by either "testing", "unstable", "stable", and even "oldstable" will not awlays be the same set of software, even if the set at "stable" tends to be the same set for given periods of time
10:24<Marx1982>djc, unstable always points to SID
10:24<djc>although I suppose even the name-targets change, but not in incompatible ways
10:25<ranix>unstable is always exactly the same as saying sid, but testing != squeeze and stable != lenny
10:25<ranix>right now they are the same, but in 2 years that won't be the case
10:25<djc>sid/unstable changes faster than testing (curently squeeze), which changes faster than stable (currently lenny)
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10:26<djc>and 'unstable', 'testing', and even 'stable' (albeit only past a release) can change in ways that are not completely compatible with a prior set
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10:27<djc>but if you install a certain release codename and use that in sources.list, then you can at least be reasonably confident that any changes that you get will not break your system
10:27<djc>anyway, I'll shut up, and let someone that might have some idea why you no longer have gnome help ;)
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10:28<djc>although if you are upgrading from one unstable to another.. well.. that might be it.. I've heard 'unstable' can be.. well.. unstable ;)
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10:28<Marx1982>djc, so, I'm using SID, and after upgrading with apt-get, my gnome session disappeared from gdm
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10:29<djc>I'd suggest stickng with the current stable
10:29<djc>by name, not by 'stable'
10:29<Marx1982>naaa...I want updated package
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10:29<valdyn>!sid faq
10:29<dpkg> or (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny...
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10:30<djc>your desire for updated packages may conflict with your desire to have working packages, at times
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10:30<djc>lenny isnt testing anymore
10:30<Marx1982>djc, I didn't received any error while upgrading
10:30<djc>that doesnt automatically mean everything will be working
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10:31<Marx1982>...I see ;)
10:31<djc>i wouldnt even rule out that they temporarily took gnome out of sid, if they are trying to rewwork some major part of it
10:31<gsimmons>sid faq =~ s#testing/lenny#testing/squeeze#
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10:32<djc>dpkg is so smart
10:32<dpkg>djc: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
10:32<stew>gsimmons: (tell dpkg)
10:32<djc>stew, "he did"
10:32<bremner>don't run sid if you ignore all those messages aptitude/synaptic print during upgrades
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10:32<stew>djc: in a private message?
10:32<djc>stew, I beleive dpkg parsed that edit command
10:33<djc>the one with the =~ in it
10:33<stew>djc: she woulnd't have, since she wasn't addressed
10:33<gsimmons>Nope, used a query.
10:33<stew>she meaning dpkg
10:33<djc>yes I knew that
10:33<dpkg>I'm female
10:34<djc>i see
10:34<djc>didnt release that
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10:37<djc>Marx1982, you could try squeeze instead of sid.. you'd still get (some) newer packages
10:38<djc>theres also backports
10:38<bremner>IMHO, now is a bad time for newbies to run testing/unstable. Wait for lenny to fall farther behind and testing/unstable to (relatively speaking) stabilize. YMMV, of course
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10:40<jrabbit>thats not even close to true
10:41<patrikf>hmm... can I tell d-i to use a proxy? (apt-cacher)
10:41<jrabbit>if your too dumb to install packages that don't break your system (they don't normally make it to testing) you shouldn't even be on debian
10:41<djc>well, the point was that squeeze would be a better choice than sid
10:41<patrikf>oh, it even asks for it :D
10:41<jrabbit>speaking of which :D tons of new libs
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10:42<bremner>jrabbit: I don't understand your point relative to my statement
10:43<jrabbit>Nothing wrong with Testing
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10:46<ranix>Why are people so obsessed with using the newest packages?
10:46<ranix>9 times out of 10 you ask someone what SPECIFIC package he needs that requires him to be running testing or unstable, and he'll say something like "KDE"
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10:47<ranix>Frankly I have to agree with jrabbit, although he says it a little harshly, it's true that I think people like that have a better place in Ubuntu
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10:48<fxiny>ranix: wt4x : i missed it !
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10:48<ranix>haha I know! I saw you log and knew you'd need a recap
10:48<ranix>fxiny: 9 times out of 10 you ask someone what SPECIFIC package he needs that requires him to be running testing or unstable, and he'll say something like "KDE"
10:48<fxiny>ranix: hahaha
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10:49<ranix>fxiny: and jrabbit says people who are too dumb to install packages that don't break their systems have no business running Testing
10:50<ga_bash>hi the following is a part of a configuration file. zone "localhost" {
10:50<ga_bash> type master;
10:50<ga_bash> file "/etc/bind/db.local";
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10:51<fxiny>ranix: i don't understand why new users are running testing the day after a new stable release ;)
10:51<djc>ga_bash, that is a 'sample' file and is irrelevant.. you can safely either ignore it, or remove it from named.conf
10:52<djc>dns servers do not need to serve the name 'localhost'
10:52<djc>unfortunately, lots of people mistakenly beleive it does
10:53<djc>including some people who put stock bind configurations together
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10:54<fxiny>oh nice : today is a whipping day ;P
10:54<fxiny>anymore clients ? ;P
10:54<djc>whipping day?
10:54<fxiny>some !list dumbass ?
10:54<djc>is that related to boxing day?
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10:55<fxiny>petern: isntall xmonad ;)
10:55<fxiny>remove some pr0n to make room for all deps
10:56<petern>200MB of deps :o
10:56<ga_bash>djc, i just wanted to understand the concept of the data fields and instructions in a configuration file :)
10:57<ga_bash>djc, are they written in $bash or #autoconf?
10:57<djc>ga_bash, oh, sorry ;)
10:57<fxiny>plenty of nice docs debianized
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10:57<djc>thats a bind config file
10:57<djc>plain text
10:57<djc>write them in $editor
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10:57<djc>some people who manage large numbers of zones use scripts to build them.
10:58<djc>there are even some (horrid, IMNSHO) 'web' tools that attempt to mange them for you
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10:59<petern>i use a database to manage them
10:59<ga_bash>djc, what does this line mean actually ? file "/etc/bind/db.local" :)
10:59<djc>it means to load the data for that zone from that file
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10:59<johnfg>hi guys
10:59<petern>which "happens" to have a web interface
11:00<petern>although i wrote it all for my (company's) needs, so i like to think it's not horrid :)
11:00<djc>petern, i wasnt refefering to custom in-house solutions
11:00<ga_bash>djc, what language is it written .. its certainly not bash.. ???
11:00<djc>I was referring to crap like webmin
11:00<johnfg>this is not an important question, but, how do I get the sound that usuallly is there when gnome starts at login?
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11:00<petern>urgh, yeah
11:00<djc>its not any langage
11:00<petern>it's not a language. it's a config file
11:00<johnfg>I'm running lenny with all the latest updates
11:01<johnfg>And sound is configured with alsaconf.
11:01<ga_bash>yeah its a config file but it certainly has some format..
11:01<djc>it has 'bind config file' format
11:01<djc>install bind-docs if it isnt already
11:01<ga_bash>how do the program interpret it. then??
11:01<djc>hang on
11:01<djc>install bind-docs if it isnt already
11:01<ga_bash>djc, i am not concerned what the file is about..
11:01<ga_bash>i am mainly concerned about the format about a config file
11:01<fxiny>last web interface i've seen was vmwarez 2.0 . typing root pass in firefox. .. hahhaa
11:02<djc>then navigate to that onfig file specifically?
11:02<djc>that config file specifically?
11:02<djc>the format is defined in the bind manual
11:02<ga_bash>djc, if you have to write a config file then how are you gonna write it
11:02<djc>I'm gonna open up a damn text editor and start typing
11:02<petern>i'll write it in the format that is required for the software
11:02<ga_bash>djc, without any rules..??
11:02<petern>using, indeed, a test editor
11:02<petern>the rules are defined by the software it's for
11:02<fxiny>don't say nano
11:02<djc>If I dont know the rules, I might open up the manual for the program that its for
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11:03<petern>*text :s
11:03<ga_bash>djc, ok..
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11:03<djc>which, for *that* file, is containined in bind-doc
11:03<djc>as well as in various websites
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11:04<djc>and mopre specifically
11:05<djc>or ch06
11:05<djc>ch03 is some samples ch06 is the full reference
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11:07*djc is gad no one decided to foolishly take exception to his opinion of bind serving 'localhost'. He'd have had to open up a can of whup-ass on em.
11:07<djc>glad even
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11:09<djc>" Due to its arcane user interface and frequently inconsistent behavior, we do not recommend the use of nslookup. Use dig instead. "
11:09<djc>Couldnt agree more
11:09<ranix>lol arcane
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11:10<petern>hasn't nslookup been deprecated for years?
11:10<djc>I suspect some people havent gotten the message
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11:10<djc>I think winblows has an 'nslookup' but not a 'dig'
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11:23<pawel>how to scroll terminal?
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11:24<ArthurLiu>pawel, Shift+PgUp/PgDown
11:24<pawel>does not work via SSH.
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11:24<Helder> << Beat me in this cute game and original game :) Its totally random! Try it out guys
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11:26<gardo>hi all
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11:26<pawel>Helder: what a spam.
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11:28<gardo>grande... il 14 c'è il sole!
11:28<fxiny>pawel: shift+arrow/pg works via ssh . which terminal are you using ?
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11:29<djc>pawel, what terminal are you using?
11:30<djc>fxiny, oh you asked that already
11:30<djc>you dont scroll 'over' ssh unless you are running screen at the remote system
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11:30<fxiny>djc: is ignoring us ;)
11:30<djc>you scroll the local term, wether its kde konsole, gnome-terminal, the linux text console, or even xterm or rxvt
11:31<erikcummings>G'mornin from my timezone. looking for assistance troubleshooting a long (45sec) delay during boot. Etch 4 1/2 with custom 2.6.28 kernel. boot time tracing shows pty_init taking all the time.
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11:32<djc>ok ive already stayed up too long
11:32<djc>im off to bed
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11:33<goodger>hello; does anyone know whether linux has any anti-forkbomb technology that automatically kills processes that hog the CPU for, say, about five or ten minutes?
11:34<goodger>HandBrake appears to be silently exiting after a while of encoding...
11:34<patrikf>goodger: with ulimits, you can limit CPU seconds and number of processes
11:35<goodger>CPU seconds?
11:36<goodger>you mean I can restrict a specific process to a given CPU usage percentage? sorry, I've not quite familiarised myself with the terminology of linux resource management
11:36<petern>ulimit -a
11:37<pawel>djc: I am using bash vis HHH.
11:37<petern>that's not the local terminal
11:37<pawel>will scrolling work when I run screen?
11:37<patrikf>goodger: afaik, e.g. with a limit of 5, processes that consume more than 5 seconds of computing time are killed
11:37<pawel>*bash via ssh :/
11:37<patrikf>goodger: i.e. on an idle system, this might really be 5 seconds
11:38<pawel>will scrolling work when I run screen?
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11:38<patrikf>pawel, you'll have to scroll inside screen
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11:39<goodger>patrikf: you misunderstand. I want to keep the process running despite the fact that it's eating CPU time
11:40<petern>yes, you might somehow have a limit on
11:40<petern>either that, or it's crashing
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11:40<patrikf>goodger: well, if you/your sysadmin haven't set a limit, then that's the default
11:40<patrikf>goodger: except when it uses too much memory, then the OOM killer might be responsible
11:40<patrikf>more specifically, if it uses _all available_ memory
11:41<goodger>:/ it's not using a lot of RAM, it's just dying unexpectedly
11:41<patrikf>well, probably a bug :)
11:42<patrikf>goodger: you could run it with gdb (gdb program; (gdb) run <command-line arguments> ... wait for crash ... (gdb) bt) and post the result on a pastebin
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11:44<goodger>I thought it might indeed be a bug
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11:47<pawel>"<patrikf> pawel, you'll have to scroll inside screen" nothing happens when Shift+PgUp even running screen
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11:48<patrikf>pawel: from the screen manpage: C-a esc (copy) Enter copy/scrollback mode.
11:48<Arkenklo>what package should I install to just get a minimal ssh-server without all the x-libs and stuff?
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11:48<pawel>in what sh differ from bash?
11:49<pawel>NAS:~# sh
11:49<patrikf>Arkenklo: openssh-server? it's got nothing to do with X...
11:49<pawel>NAS:~# bash
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11:49<patrikf>pawel: on many systems, sh is bash
11:49<patrikf>however, it might be any POSIX-compliant shell (e.g. dash, which is more lightweight and may become the debian default someday)
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11:50<pawel>whi it isn't [root@NAS]~# ?
11:50<pawel>have I got to aptitude install bash ?
11:51<pawel>and how to chech what shell am I running?
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11:51<Arkenklo>patrikf: when i run "sudo apt-get -s install openssh-server" it shows a whole lot of libx- packages and even x11-common
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11:52<patrikf>Arkenklo: --no-install-recommends
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11:53<Arkenklo>patrikf: awesome, thanks
11:53<pawel>and how to see what shell am I running?
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11:53<patrikf>pawel: echo $0
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11:54<erikcummings>Arklenklo: Yes - it shouldn't list all those for required - possibly recommends, but recommended packages are not installed by default.
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11:55<petern>yes they are
11:56<patrikf>yeah, recommends are installed by default
11:56<erikcummings>any clue as to why pty_init might be taking 45 seconds during bootup?
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11:59<bevan>why does debians version of bind9 use so much ram?
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12:00<erikcummings>which version of debian/apt-get - --no-install-recommends is unrecognized on my system.
12:00<petern>how much is "so much" ?
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12:02<bevan>patern: about 40 - 80Mb depending on system
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12:02<bevan>petern: about 40 - 80Mb depending on system
12:02<bevan>petern: if I roll my own from source only a about 5Mb
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12:08<erikcummings>interesting - apt-get will NOT install recommends on my system.
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12:09<erikcummings>sudo apt-get install gdm shows zenity as a recommended package. Lists it in the recommends section. apt-cache show gdm, clearly lists zenity as a recommended package.
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12:09<gabrielxD>ten algen nessa porra ai
12:09<erikcummings>The -s does not show installation of zenity. Nor have I ever had a recommended package get automatically installed.
12:09<petern>or earlier...
12:09<erikcummings>Yes - etch - has it changed in lenny?
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12:10<petern>and also apt-get is deprecated apparently
12:10<erikcummings>That is very very very bad....I'm going to screw up a few times before I remember THAT change.
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12:10<petern>you can change the default in apt's config
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12:11<petern>and apt-get works fine, there's no deprecated message or anything like that which might let you know ;p
12:11<erikcummings>Yeah - I'm going to have to do that. That's a good tip - I probably wouldn't have noticed the change the first 6 times I used it...
12:11<erikcummings>Then I'd be all po'd about wierd/unwanted packages being installed.
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12:11<petern>i noticed it when i wanted to install asterisk
12:12<petern>it wanted to pull in the kernel source
12:12<erikcummings>Oh - yeah - I can imagine! That's got a pretty good list of recommends!
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12:12<erikcummings>Other than that - how happy with Lenny are you? Thinking about moving a couple non-essential platforms over.
12:13<erikcummings>I have to solve this stupid boot delay first. Probably need to pop over into a kernel IRC to get it answered...
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12:14<petern>works well
12:14<petern>i've a few servers on it now
12:14<erikc>erikcummings changed nick to erikc (ooopps - changed IRC client and didn't notice the LOOOOONG name usage)
12:14<petern>and i switched my desktop from ubugtu to it a while ago
12:15<erikc>Good. I've got a project right now that I'll redo with Lenny.
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12:16<erikc>Any "best suggestions" on where to discuss a boot time delay problem ??? (pty_init takes 45 seconds)
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12:36<Admin>sorry----my ps\2 mouse is not workind in kde 3.5 -- anybody know why
12:36<ranix>kde has nothing to do with your mouse
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12:38<ebzzry>Is it safe to: aptitude purge '~c'
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12:41<chealer>!tell Admin about doesn't work
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12:41<ranix>chealer: I wish so hard I could use that factoid over the phone with customers
12:41<ranix>if I wish hard enough, maybe it will happne
12:42<chealer>ranix: hehehe. good luck
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12:43<Admin>chealer: after instaling l video drivers and reboot my mouse is down
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12:43<Admin>chealer: after instaling l video driver and reboot my mouse is down
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12:44<chealer>Admin: what do you mean by "l video driver"?
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12:45<petern>ranix, "is there an error?" "no" "did an error window appear?" "a box popped up but i closed it"
12:46<Admin>sorry only 1 driver Nvidia 6100
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12:47<Silicium01>Are there any tools in gnome for creating image maps?
12:47<Silicium01>need a wysiwyg
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12:48<deniz_>uubntu has beautfil launch icons, why doesnt debian have these even in squeeze?
12:48<deniz_>like is it possible to get them?
12:49<Silicium01>deniz_, maybe it's a licencing issue? not sure
12:49<Silicium01>deniz_, just like iceweasel vs firefox
12:49<Silicium01>but I could be wrong, it's just an assumption
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12:49<Silicium01>deniz_, just downlaod icons and use them yourself
12:50<deniz_>Silicium01, is there a linux icon website? :)
12:50<deniz_>Silicium01, or i need to find random images?
12:50<Silicium01>Well depends on what you are looking for?
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12:50<Silicium01>if youw ant openoffice icons, download from
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12:53<chealer>deniz_: you're talking about identical OOo versions, right?
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12:54<deniz_>chealer, well since OOo 2.4 it had those icons and debian with 2.4 and 3.0 still has those old ugly icons
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12:56<chealer>deniz_: what do you mean by launch icons?
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12:57<deniz_>like when you applications-->office--> anything the looks of the images u click
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13:00<Rampage>Hi, I'm having a problem with ifconfig in etch. As a user without root privilages ifconfig returns that /proc/net/dev doesn't exist. How can this be fixed?
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13:01<chealer>deniz_: you're using a single theme, right?
13:01<deniz_>chealer, what do you mean by "single theme?"
13:02<deniz_>chealer, i installed a lot of different looks with gnome-art
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13:02<chealer>deniz_: a single "symbol style"
13:03<deniz_>chealer, u mean if i attempted changing the launch icon looks?
13:04<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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13:05<chealer>deniz_: I mean, are the two OOo installations you are comparing both configured to use the same symbol style?
13:05<chealer>s/both configured/configured/
13:06<deniz_>chealer, i dont know; it's a simple ubuntu vs debian default settings comparison
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13:09<chealer>deniz_: if you're not comparing the same stuff, what makes you think that Debian doesn't have these?
13:09<erikc>Anyone on now that might have a clue to start troubleshooting why pty_init is taking 45 seconds during boot?
13:09<Supaplex>the word simple is simple to abuse. >:)
13:10<deniz_>chealer, i wasnt making an accusion, id just like to know if debian has these beatiful icons and if so where I can get them :)
13:11<elashish>im having trouble connecting to my university network - "no DHCPOFFERS received" - how do i fix this?
13:11<elashish>i can't connect to any network in fact
13:11<chealer>deniz_: your question did imply that Debian doesn't have these. anyway, we don't know what you consider beautiful. you'll have to be specific if you're looking for a style.
13:12<bremner>elashish: so how are you talking to us?
13:12<elashish>another computer haha
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13:16<bremner>elashish: is this a wireless question?/
13:16<elashish>yes the wireless won't connect
13:17<elashish>i dont' know why i can't get a dhcp lease
13:17<bremner>elashish: can you associate with the access point? What are you using? Network manager? iwconfig?
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13:19<elashish>bremner: i don't how to tell that - I'm using iwconfig
13:19<elashish>the wireless card is intel 2200BG if it helps
13:20<elashish>iwconfig eth2 says unassociated
13:20<bremner>so, dhcp is not the real problem then
13:21<bremner>elashish: what kind of signal? (I think 'iwlist scan wlan0' should work)
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13:23<elashish>er not sure
13:23<elashish>bremner the command works fine... network is unsecured
13:24<bremner>elashish: yes, but what is the "Link Quality"
13:24<Rampage>Hi, I'm having a problem with ifconfig in etch. As a user without root privilages ifconfig returns that "Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (Permission denied). Limited output." How can this be fixed?
13:24<elashish>bremner: 50/100
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13:25<bremner>hmm. Well, I don't know then, that looks fine. This worked for you before?
13:26<elashish>not really, it works on my home network, just not with any of my university networks
13:26<elashish>i don't see anything wrong with /etc/network/interfaces, everything should work
13:27<bremner>wireless networking is like that, unfortunately. Does your Uni maybe require the wireless card to be registered to use the net?
13:28<elashish>i dont' think so... actually - i just connected to the secure network
13:28<elashish>i want unsecured though so i don't have bandwidth limits :-)
13:30*bremner is out of ideas, sorry.
13:30<elashish>no worries - so it's not a dhcp issue then?
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13:31<bremner>elashish: not if you can't associate with the AP
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13:32<elashish>bremner: okay, well I'll look for help with that i guess - thanks for the advice
13:32<bremner>I have vague memories of bad drivers not working in unsecured after connecting with WEP or vise-versa. As a hail-mary move, you could try reloading the kernel module (or rebooting to be very crude)
13:33<elashish>hm, well intel 2200BG is pretty common, i'd think the drivers would be fine
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13:45<apostle>sound card not working.....can someone help with this line....Is this the issue? hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj
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14:08<stderr_dk>What is TCP port 4253 used for? I'm having a stange line in my netstat output that I can't figure out.
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14:11<mj>SANS web security stuff
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14:12<stderr_dk>The stange thing is that the PID turns up as "-". Isn't that the kernel? Why does my kernel listen on TCP port 4253?
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14:13<patrikf>stderr_dk: did you execute netstat as root?
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14:13<stderr_dk>patrikf: Yes.
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14:14<barnes>if i run a program in bash and the output from the program is some special swedish characters the output I get is ? instead of special character
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14:15<marco__mk>hi all! I've some problems with a pendrive:
14:16<marco__mk>When I use the default Debian kernel (2-6-26) I don't have problems, since it's mounted automatically by usbmount
14:16<marco__mk>but after I've recompiled the kernel It cannot be mounted..
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14:17<marco__mk>infact if I try to manually mount it, I get an error:
14:18<mj>looks like a low level scsi driver been compiled out that's needed in
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14:18<marco__mk>uhm, I've compiled them statically (usb, scsi, and so on)
14:19<marco__mk>how can I solve this problem?
14:20<mj>well, i'd go back to the old kernel
14:20<mj>just to test that the usb stick hadn't actually broken
14:20<mj>you'd be surprised the synchronicity with which things break, at the same time as you change another variable :p
14:20<marco__mk>I've already tested it
14:20<mj>and it works?
14:20<marco__mk>and it works very well :(
14:20<mj>most strangew
14:20<marco__mk>it's really strange..
14:20<marco__mk>do you want to see if some modules are missing?
14:21<mj>i can have a look ....
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14:21<mj>but in an ideal world it should tell you, when it realises it needs what it's not god
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14:21<marco__mk>I understand.. but I really don't know what to do
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14:22<simonrvn>mj: i'm not ;).
14:23<mj>by anything in particular, or just not surprised generally?
14:23<mj>marco__mk, i could ssh and have a look
14:23<mj>or another alternative is to try reinserting each of the modules you 'streamlined'
14:23<mj>but most people seem to think recompiling the kernel does way more than it actually does
14:23<stderr_dk>Anyone having any ideas as to how I figure out why my machine is listening on port 4253?
14:24<mj>people seem to think a 10% faster kernel makes a 10% faster system :S
14:24<mj>stderr_dk, ; lsof
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14:24<simonrvn>mj: what you said earlier - 14:20 < mj> you'd be surprised the synchronicity with which things break, at the same time as you change another variable :p
14:24<marco__mk>no, I've recompiled the kernel only for "study" :P
14:24<ranix>mj: when cflags kicks in, it's like NO2
14:24<mj>marco__mk, then get studying :p
14:24<marco__mk>the default kernel (of Debian) is fast as this one
14:24<simonrvn>i think you meant NO ;)
14:25<mj>no, you meant NO2
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14:25<mj>but analogy doesn't really work
14:25<mj>it's closer to CO2
14:25<ranix>more like methane
14:25<mj>not really
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14:26<mj>about as many people understand c flags as understand immuno-inflatory activation of genes
14:26<marco__mk>mj: ehehe, I should get studying, but.. I would know where I'm wrong with the config :P
14:26*ranix emerges his gentoo boxes again, waits sixteen hours, and farts loudly.
14:26<simonrvn>i was thinking of nitrous oxide ;)
14:26<mj>i know
14:26<marco__mk>ranix: ahahh, 16 hours?! :P
14:26<ranix>I knew a gentoo user once
14:26<simonrvn>innit NO?
14:26<mj>ranix, you need a quad quad 3ghz core2
14:26<ranix>I had one enjoyable conversation with him
14:26<ranix>I was drunk
14:27<mj>simonrvn, laughing gas
14:27<simonrvn>yes.. innit NO
14:27<ranix>nitrous oxide is N + O2
14:27<mj>it gets treated tho, these days
14:27<simonrvn>nm, i'll go look it up
14:27<mj>to prevent foaming of lungs
14:27<mj>NO would have the same effect
14:27<mj>but it'd be far less stable
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14:28<mj>but i mean 'laughing' is a bad translation
14:28<ranix>just get high on HNO3
14:28*ranix melts.
14:28<mj>use real drugs, init ;p
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14:29<simonrvn>Nitrous oxide - N2O "laughing gas"; Nitric Oxide - " important signaling molecule in the body of mammals..."
14:30<mj>did you know the funny bone was called that
14:30<mj>'cos it's on the humurus?
14:30<stderr_dk>mj: Now I'm even more confused... netstat says that my machine is listening on 8 different ports. lsof says 7 ports. Guess which one lsof is missing. :-(
14:30<simonrvn>the geek in me kicked in
14:30<mj>stderr_dk, lol
14:30<mj>maybe your isp has it open
14:30<ranix>oooh I see
14:30<mj>i've seen that happen before
14:30<mj>have to connect to it, and see where you end up connecting to :p
14:30<ranix>nitrogen dioxide obviously is no2
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14:31<stderr_dk>My ISP? This is my box, not a router or something like that.
14:31<mj>Simon ; that's a bit of a lie, tho
14:31<mj>stderr_dk, aah, you're nmapping it from the local network?
14:31<stderr_dk>From localhost and from another host on the LAN.
14:31<simonrvn>NO2 isn't N2O
14:31<stderr_dk>tcp 0 0* LISTEN -
14:31<ranix>simonrvn: no
14:32*ranix is shocked and apppppallllled
14:32*mj too
14:32<mj>what are we being s&a at?
14:32<ranix>NO2 is different from N20
14:32<marco__mk>bye bye!
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14:32<mj>yes, it is
14:32<simonrvn>forget it, it's not important. food is.
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14:32<mj>chemistry is all a story anyway
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14:32<ranix>what is your third nonsense variable?
14:33<ranix>I use 'harbl'
14:33<simonrvn>qux quux
14:33<ranix>foo, bar, harbl
14:33<ranix>I never use baz
14:33<mj>eugh ;p
14:33*mj uses a,b,c or x,y,z
14:33<simonrvn>math geek ;p
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14:33<ranix>my boss uses zz
14:33<ranix>but, he leaves it there
14:33<mj>just makes for nicer code
14:33<simonrvn>ranix: because s/he sleeps a lot?
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14:34<mj>tho i increasingly like unicode code
14:34<mj>where you can fill it with obscure symbols
14:35<stderr_dk>mj: Do you have any other ideas regarding that port?
14:35<stderr_dk>Does anyone have any ideas?
14:36<mj>not off the top of my head, no :/
14:36<simonrvn>mj: indeed, having up arrows and such is handy ;p
14:36<mj>if nothing's got it open, it shouldn't be :S
14:36<mj>more like pi, and lambda, and stuff
14:37<stderr_dk>mj: Well, I get a connection to "something", when I run telnet localhost 4253
14:37<mj>and arithmetic x's that look different to x
14:37<simonrvn>stderr_dk: looked it up in a full services file? IANA's full version i mean. also have you run chrootkit or something?
14:37<mj>stderr_dk, but then lsof should list something as having it open
14:37<mj>you did run it as root, right?
14:37<mj>it's SAMS update stuff
14:37<mj>which sounds windowsy :/
14:37<simonrvn>ah, 'k
14:38<stderr_dk>Trust me. It's not a windows box... :-)
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14:38<mj>i bet i could guess the distro, with 500 guesses :p
14:38<stderr_dk>But yeah... Seems like it's time for a chrootkit...
14:38<stderr_dk>mj: I bet you only need one, unless you're an idiot. :-)
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14:39<simonrvn>debian lenny ;)
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14:40<stderr_dk>Close... It's not upgrade yet.
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14:40<simonrvn>ah, an old etch box.
14:41*mj is clever enough to act like an idiot most of the time
14:41<petern>debian woody
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14:41<simonrvn>acting silly is good for you too
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14:43<stderr_dk>petern: Funny... I actually still have a woody box.
14:43<mj>the world only seems interested in seriousness if it's profitable at the expense of someone else
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14:43<mj>i could be very 'efficient' at the expense of other people, but it's better to be an idiot
14:45<ranix>stderr_dk: do you keep your woody inside this box?
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14:45<ranix>stderr_dk: would you describe your woody as "lightweight", or "bloated"
14:45<simonrvn>mj: of course it is good for you. not only are you being very original, but you're also using your creativity, and make people laugh, including yourself. laughter is good medicine.
14:45<ranix>I apologize for my behaviour #debian
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14:46<stderr_dk>ranix: No, I don't keep my woody in that box. Only my pr0n.
14:46<stderr_dk>And yes, it's bloated...
14:46<ranix>ah I see, I see
14:47*ranix regresses to a point earlier than /dev/input/mice.
14:47<Aleric>What command should one run to configure the machine for hardware accelerated 3D stuff?
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14:48<ranix>!tell Aleric -about nvidia-one-liner
14:48<Aleric>THis guy has an ATI
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14:48<ranix>Aleric: of course, that won't actually work for you, most likely
14:48<Aleric>ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]
14:48<simonrvn>ati one-liner or such
14:49<simonrvn>man radeon, see if it's supported by the free driver. it *might* be.
14:49*mj should make a religion really
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14:50<simonrvn>not having to screw with fglrx is always a plus ;).
14:50<simonrvn>(or the nvidia one for that matter)
14:50<stderr_dk>The only thing chkrootkit found was: Searching for OBSD rk v1... /usr/lib/security But that's from "libgcj-common".
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14:51<simonrvn>yeh that's a false positive
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14:52<simonrvn>at least you have a clearer idea of what it might not be, now :)
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14:52<stderr_dk>When running "netstat -pnat" as root, is it true that a "-" as PID means "kernel"?
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14:55<mj>doesn't say
14:55<mj>the man page makes it sound like - is IPX
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14:56<Snow-Man>- is usually "you can't see the process"
14:56<Snow-Man>I'm not sure I've ever seen it when running as root.
14:56<mj>i've just tried it
14:56<mj>it wasn't anywhere near as exciting as i'd hoped
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14:58<stderr_dk>Ok... I'll do something stupid and try the Windows-solution...
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14:58<mj>windows ftw :p
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15:01<malex>Lo. Is there a known bug in Lenny installer for Grub. My install is stuck on "Determining GRUB boot device".
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15:02<path__>anyone using evince 2.22.2-4 ?
15:02<path__>found some weird bug
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15:02*malex fears that if he power-cycles now the system won't be bootable.
15:03<stderr_dk>WTF? Now it's port 2336...
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15:05<stderr_dk>Anyone still having a Etch box? Could you please check if the output of "netstat -pnat | grep -c LISTEN" and "lsof -n | grep -c LISTEN" is the same?
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15:17<Arkenklo>Does the "laptop-detect"-package contains anything of use in a static environment?
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15:17<stuckey>How do I instal the full version of vim? The one that has the spellchecking feature and what not...
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15:21<dpkg>i heard vim is the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the <emacs> factoid, or see <vim syntax highlighting>. #vim @
15:21<dpkg>emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift], or, #emacs @
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15:22<stuckey>ranix: Do you know how to get the full version of Vim installed? Lenny just has a watered-down version with out all of the coll features...
15:22<mj>init=/usr/bin/emacs lol
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15:23<gravity>stuckey: vim-full used to be around
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15:24<gravity>stuckey: There's vim-gnome or vim-gtk (can't remember now) if you want gvim
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15:24<stuckey>gravity: I don't think I use gnome or gtk
15:24<gravity>stuckey: Actually, in sid vim-full just installs vim-gnome
15:24<beer>is there a nice replacement for kuickshow in kde 4 (or maybe kuickshow is being ported)?is there a nice replacement for kuickshow in kde 4 (or maybe kuickshow is being ported)?
15:24<gravity>stuckey: Just look in your package manager at all the vim-* options
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15:24<stuckey>gravity: hmm... I just want the spell check feature.
15:24<gravity>There's a gazillion
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15:25<stuckey>gravity: yeah I didn't want to dig through all of them
15:25<gravity>stuckey: You don't have to use the gnome or gtk version if you intall vim-gnome. It just provides the gvim interface in addition to the normal vim one
15:25<stuckey>gravity: the package "vim-full" says it's a tranistional package. What does this mean?
15:26<mj>means it goes fizzzzzzzzzzzz if you put it in vinegar
15:26<gravity>stuckey: It means that it's a package that only exists to depend on a different package now. It used to exist, but now it's just a dependency really so that people can transition to the new package without worrying about it
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15:28<gravity>Oh, awesome. All the vim-$PROGRAMMING_LANG packages are just transitional for vim-gtk now. Win!
15:28<gravity>Those were a little absurd.
15:28<mj>most things are
15:29<gravity>Well, they were holdovers from an older time when they weren't so absurd.
15:29<stuckey>My alt + left arrow key doesn't move windows anymore in irssi... netiher does alt +x change servers.
15:29<mj>yeah, but the 'older time' big bang lasted like 2 seconds
15:29<stuckey>this is strange
15:29<mj>and everythings stayed absurd for 16 gigayears
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15:30<gravity>stuckey: Are you running unstable?
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15:32<stuckey>mj: The "Big Bang", if true, would could not have lasted for only two seconds. It lasts forever, since space is thought to be infinite and therefore it is still "occuring".
15:33<stuckey>gravity: Lenny
15:34<mj>if the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing
15:34<mj>the idea of a big bang makes no sense at all, anyway
15:34<stuckey>mj: I meant to say it * could not.
15:34<mj>it would have started off slow, like a baking loaf of bread
15:34<koollman>mj: unless you know about how the theories fit together
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15:35<mj>i do
15:35<beer> is there a nice kde program that can help with putting phonenumbers/names on my mobile phone (freerunner with qt extended improved)?
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15:35<stuckey>Anyone know why I can't switch views in IRSSI anymore? This is really getting annoying.
15:35<dpkg>irssi is probably the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see , or see the #irssi channel on freenode
15:36<mj>console app catching it?
15:37<gravity>stuckey: What did you change?
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15:37<stuckey>gravity: This is another computer, but I just installed stable on it with the same cd I always use.
15:38<stuckey>gravity: I think the only difference was that this machine only has the following extra packages installed: "wmii xorg irssi mocp alsa-utils"
15:38<stuckey>gravity: So I mean it doesn't have gnome or anything like that on it. It was a "server install"
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15:38<gravity>stuckey: So this is a fresh install, and yet you say that "now" it doesn't work. Did it ever work on this system?
15:39<stuckey>gravity: I jsut tested it
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15:39<stuckey>gravity: so yeah technially no
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15:41<gravity>Well, I don't use wmii, so I have no idea if it's grabbing those keys. You can try using esc-# to switch windows in irssi
15:41<deniz>when i changed my them, i still have some applications like mnemosyne, update manager, etc looking ugly as hell and not at all like the themes I install but like windows 98 old looks, what can I do to make the theme be present in every single program I use? (i had this problem in lenny before on my laptop - getting kde, running mnemosyne in kde then uninstalling kde helped but i dont want to do all that just to make looks reappear especially on
15:41<deniz>a 50 kb/s internet connection)
15:41<gravity>That's what I use, since the arrow thing doesn't work here
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15:42<stuckey>gravity: escape doesn't work either
15:42<gravity>stuckey: Does it work in any other apps?
15:42<gravity>vim or whatever
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15:43<stuckey>gravity: ah okay yeah that works
15:43<stuckey>gravity: I have to press it and then let off before pressing a #
15:43<stuckey>gravity: thanks
15:44<gravity>stuckey: No problem. Wish I could help you with the arrows, but I never bothered to figure that out myself :-\
15:44<stuckey>You know, it works in terminal-mdoe.
15:46<gravity>As for changing servers, ctrl-x works for me
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15:55<maxxe>why isn't glibc included in lenny?
15:55<beer>I think it was 2.7 but I am not sure
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15:56<gravity>maxxe: eh?
15:56<maxxe>gravity: i can just find the source :)
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15:57<gravity>maxxe: It's just named libc
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15:58<maxxe>gravity: is glibc and libc6 the same thing?
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15:59<stew>maxxe: glibc is the name of the source package which builds the libc6, libc6-dev binary packages
15:59<gravity>as stew said
15:59<maxxe>stew: ok. hm i was troubleshooting something. but i thought i was missing glibc (libc6)
16:00<gravity>You wouldn't have much of a functional system without it
16:00<maxxe>hehe nope well you live and learn
16:01<stuckey>What's this glibc/libc6 thing do anyway?
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16:02<maxxe>i can't get adobe flash player 10 for linux to work in firefox, cause it's crashing
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16:03<maxxe>first i inspected the installer script and i saw it was looking for glibc so i thought i was missing that one
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16:04<maxxe>does it work for someone else?
16:04<dpkg>from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
16:04<stuckey>!adobe flash
16:04<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta>
16:05<gravity>maxxe: Generally I find that using the Debian package is a good idea. It handles these things nicely. You can, iirc, use the package from unstable without any troubles in lenny
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16:06<gravity>maxxe: Although that might not solve the crashing if the install worked fine.
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16:06<maxxe>well i actually run both iceweasel and the regular firefox (installed under /opt) and i try to install the flash player system wide for the regular firefox
16:06<maxxe>but yet it's crashing
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16:08<maxxe>it says when i view about:plugins that it's working. but when i open a webpage that uses flash it's crashing so :)
16:08<maxxe>dunno what's wrong
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16:09<stuckey>Why use Adobe maxxe? There's gnash, you know.
16:10<gravity>Does gnash even work today?
16:10<koollman>because gnash barely works and manage to often be slower than the slow adobe flash, perhaps :)
16:10<stuckey>gravity: you-tube works
16:10<koollman>stuckey: you tried it ?
16:10<stuckey>koollman: yep, been using it.
16:10<stuckey>koollman: in stable you-tube works just fine
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16:11<stuckey>Okay it might not be as good but it's in the repository. It's part of Debian, and adobe's flashplayer isn't.
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16:12<maxxe>i think adobe flash player 10 was made for 64 bit systems though
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16:13<maxxe>they seem to not like to keep previous versions available for download :\ 9 worked.
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16:30<artificialife>i have a question about Ubuntu Hardy nautilus can anyone help?
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16:30<stew>artificialife: ask #ubuntu on
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16:47<Woet>what the hell is this?
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16:48<Woet>it causes my syslog to be over 1 GB in size and cause the / partition to fill up
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16:52<maxxe>Woet: looks like something that requires package sensible-mda to be installed..
16:52<Woet>yea, I installed it
16:52<Woet>But would that cause billions of errors to be placed?
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16:53<maxxe>not even sure what program that's calling sensible-mda.. =)
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16:53<Woet>exactly, but it must be sucky if it hits an infinite loop
16:53<Woet>but I installed that package, let's see
16:53<maxxe>yep :)
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17:00<wgsilkie>Synaptic isn't changing an apt option.
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17:01<wgsilkie>I tell it not to consider recommendations as dependencies, but it's back on again the next time I run Synaptic.
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17:06<THEKILL>opa, tudo bem ? allguem aí sabe como eu add 2 placa de rede no Vbox ?
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17:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:07<nano-->Is there any good way of updating the /etc/networki/interfaces file with a command line tool?
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17:10<stuckey>I'm getting an error when I try to boot a system; it says something about "mount ... could not mount dev on root/dev (and also sys on root/sys and proc on root/proc)", and something about there isn't a "sbin/init".
17:10<stuckey>Thereafter I just have some sort of "bootbox", I believe it said.
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17:10<stuckey>Arkenklo: Yeah exactly, busybox.
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17:12<THEKILL>poxa, aqui não tem debian br não. ja procurei até ubuntu br + não tem.
17:12<dpkg>rumour has it, ch is Switzerland, or and Confoederatio Helvetica
17:12<dpkg>it has been said that cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
17:12<stew>THEKILL: english only in here
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17:12<stuckey>THEKILL: Kanal pro chechy je #debian-cz
17:12<stew>THEKILL: try #debian-br o #debian-pt
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17:14<stuckey>Anyone know why I would be having such errors?
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17:14<Supaplex>you're mounting the wrong filesystem?
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17:15<stuckey>Supaplex: I just installed another operating system... so perhaps something went wrong there? but how? and how do I fix it?
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17:38<Trumpetr>hmm, how can I get wireless internet working in Debian ? I couldn't even get a hardline ethernet connection going.
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17:41<jcole>i want to set http_proxy and https_proxy "system wide" (in gnome/kde/ctrl-alt-f1/init scripts/etc.) ... where do i put them?
17:41<jcole>on redhat/fedora, you put them in /etc/profile
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17:42<chealer>Trumpetr: you usually connect to an access point
17:43<Trumpetr>I know... -_- I can't connect using the network daemon, and it isn't even recognizing a hardline
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17:44<jcole>will /etc/environment work?
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17:46<moane>hi, i have a question. I recently installed lenny on my g3 powerbook laptop, but the display isn't working properly
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17:47<moane>it only display a 800x600 in the top corner, which is repeated direcly under it
17:47<moane>i guess it is the device driver, but how do i upgrade them
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18:21<tezeract>hello there
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18:48<eldowan>I had a removable usb device mounted, and umount would not let the device unmount saying the device was busy. Once I stopped FAM, I was able to remove the device. The device was *only* mounted in /media. How can I prevent this in the future?
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19:22<keith>Debian 5. I have installed Lenny on two of my computers and on both the spellcheck for OpenOffice Writer does not work. Has anyone else found that? And what can be done about it? Spellcheck for Abiword works perfectly.
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19:54<ruipedroca>hi everyone, can anybody help with a log?
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19:56<ruipedroca>i've got a very big log, what can i do?
19:56<ruipedroca>it's in /var/log/syslog.1
19:56<ruipedroca>and growing
19:56<kaloyan>get surgery?
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19:56<ruipedroca>problem is i'm running out of disk space
19:57<azeem>ruipedroca: syslog.1 shouldn't grow
19:58<ruipedroca>syslog.1 and user.log
19:58<ruipedroca>both are now 6.2gb
19:58<kaloyan>I didn't know IRC chat saved to HDD space automatically.
19:59<azeem>ruipedroca: well, figure out what is filling them up, and make it shut up
19:59<ruipedroca>it's repeating itself the same 4 lines
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19:59<ruipedroca>about a printer i've installed this afternoon
20:00<ruipedroca>azeem: how can i make it shut up?
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20:00<azeem>by changing your system in such a way that those lines are no longer printe
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20:01<ruipedroca>ok, that's great, but i'm on lenny for only about two weeks
20:01<ruipedroca>how can i do it?
20:01<ruipedroca>can i simply delete it?
20:02<azeem>delete the printer?
20:02<ruipedroca>no, the log
20:02<azeem>and what will you do when it reaches 6 GB again?
20:02<ruipedroca>delete it again :)
20:03<ruipedroca>just kidding
20:03<ruipedroca>i've just disconnected the printer
20:03<azeem>why don't you just tell what that repeated line is?
20:03<azeem>maybe somebody in here has an idea what is going wrong
20:04<ruipedroca>Apr 10 22:58:14 pc20090330 Photosmart_C6100_series?serial=MY68FD402704KR: io/hpmud/musb.c 725: invalid deviceid wIndex=1, retrying wIndex=100: No such device
20:04<kaloyan>So I'm actually kinda new to using IRC and my client, X chat, seems to automatically log me in here. What is this chat area all about?
20:04<ruipedroca>2: Apr 10 22:58:14 pc20090330 Photosmart_C6100_series?serial=MY68FD402704KR: io/hpmud/musb.c 734: invalid deviceid retry ret=-19: No such device
20:04<ruipedroca>3: Apr 10 22:58:14 pc20090330 Photosmart_C6100_series?serial=MY68FD402704KR: io/hpmud/musb.c 777: invalid device_status: No such device
20:04<ruipedroca>4: Apr 10 22:58:14 pc20090330 Photosmart_C6100_series?serial=MY68FD402704KR: io/hpmud/musb.c 1022: bulk_write failed buf=0xbff478ec size=1024 len=-19: No such device
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20:04<ruipedroca>thats those 4 lines
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20:05<azeem>kaloyan: it's the Debian IRC support channel
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20:06<kaloyan>And what is Debin?
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20:06<azeem>an operating system
20:06<azeem>kaloyan: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
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20:07<kaloyan>I don't actually know. A friend of mine burned it onto a cd for me to install on my Playstation 3 since I don't own a computer.
20:07<azeem>kaloyan: then I guess you can safely leave this channel
20:08<kaloyan>I know I can leave without problems on the IRC.
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20:14<ruipedroca>ok, guys, i'm leaving. Thanks anyway. Cheers
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20:47<Guillermo>hey people
20:47<Guillermo>anyone with problems on microsoft virtual * ?
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20:50<vinicius>hi! my /etc/resolv.conf seems to keep being overwrited by my dhcp client with invalid dns ips... how can i prevent it from replacing wrong dns ips? shall i just switch off its writing permission?
20:50<Guillermo>there is a problem with lenny and virtual pc/server, something about kernel
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20:52<dondelelcaro>vinicius: set prepend domain-name-servers in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
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20:52<Guillermo>anyone, please?!
20:53<vinicius>dondelelcaro, thanks
20:53<adb>kvm ?
20:54<dondelelcaro>Guillermo: you'll have to give us more information; it's also really difficult for us to support virtual pc, as it's proprietary software.
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20:55<Guillermo>dondelelcaro, when i try to boot the debian 5 inside virtual pc, the screen go black..
20:56<Guillermo>in debugging i see something about the kernel compilation that is no ready for this kind of enviroment
20:56<Guillermo>i can past the last line on boot, but there´s no explicit error
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20:59<Guillermo>come on
20:59<Guillermo>i don´t believe
20:59<Guillermo>there is a lot of people doing virtualization
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21:02<adb>try google
21:02<adb>Results 1 - 10 of about 298,000
21:03<azeem_>Guillermo: maybe they all know how to properly report errors
21:04<Guillermo>adb, google bring-me "know error" pages, not solutions
21:04<adb>with "debian 5 in virtual pc" ?
21:05<Guillermo>azeen, this is a common problem, there is a lot of people with the same problem on google
21:05<Guillermo>yeah adb
21:05<azeem_>so why don't you ask them?
21:05<azeem_>they already know what the problem is, we don't
21:06<azeem_>or are you saying we should google for your error message?
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21:21<wgsilkie>I don't have a /etc/apt.conf file on my system.
21:21<wgsilkie>Is that ok, or should it always exist?
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21:22<penpen> /etc/apt/apt.conf?
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21:24<tuxwarrior>wgsilkie: I know there can be one but the default behavior is to have none
21:24<dondelelcaro>wgsilkie: it's fine if there isn't one
21:24<wgsilkie>Ok, good.
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21:26<wgsilkie>I'm asking because when I turn off the "consider recommended packages as dependencies" option with Synaptic...
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21:26<wgsilkie>'s back on the next I run Synaptic.
21:26<wgsilkie>So, basically, I can't change that option with Synaptic.
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21:27<wgsilkie>Is that because, apt.conf doesn't exist?
21:29<adb>for apt.conf may be used > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf
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21:38<wgsilkie>Hmm, interesting...
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21:41<wgsilkie>Synaptic still won't let me change that option.
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21:43<wgsilkie>Even after I created /etc/apt.conf with only one line.
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21:45<wgsilkie>The line is APT::Install-Recommends "0";
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21:50<adb>!why aptitude
21:50<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
21:52<wgsilkie>adb: are you suggesting that I should ditch synaptic, and use aptitude?
21:54<wgsilkie>Why the heck isn't synaptic a front to aptitude now, instead of apt-get?
21:54<adb>APT::Install-Recommends "false";
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21:59<felipefg>afaik, apt-get, aptitude and synaptics are all "front-end"s for the apt library. Aptitude just has better tracking of automatic dependencies and conflict resolving
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22:00<wgsilkie>Ok, thanks to all for the help.
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22:06<k1lumin4t1>I have a samba share over a ntfs drive in which I can do almost about everything on the files. But when I open those files using any app and try saving the changes directly from the app it wont allow it
22:06<k1lumin4t1>for example, a client opens a text file using a Windows Word processor and it fails when saving it
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22:09<core>i upgraded from etch to lenny and gtk+ apps like gimp, iceweasel, etc are segv when i try to open or save a file. gdb trace shows load_folder gathering mime info on folder contents and segv after cache_glob_lookup_file_name returns into strcmp or fnmatch. any ideas?
22:11<core>i've gone over the release notes a few times seeing if i missed something. have tried reinstalling all library packages in the chain and libc6 and kernel and reboots. happens to all users on system even fresh ones so not an rc file issue
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23:08<lskfjlsdk>so every time i go to youtube or any other site with flash video, my computer crashes and i have to REBOOT SEVERAL TIMES.
23:08<lskfjlsdk>several of those reboot attempts usually end in a 'kernel panic' requiring yet another reboot
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23:20<thehardman>hi is anyone here hosting kde42-debian-i486.iso?
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23:56<newby>Anyone have a problem with wireless cards being detected, but not able to scan or connect to networks?
23:57<gsimmons>newby: What wireless device do you have?
23:57<newby>an atheros internal card
23:58<newby>not sure how to check which model #
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23:59<gsimmons>newby: "lspci -nn | grep Ath" should provide you with relevant details.
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