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00:57<Ben90>i know this sounds stupid , but how do i make debian go back to lenny?
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01:03<Ben90>can anyone help me?
01:03<nvelixzee>Ben90: you want to downgrade?
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01:04<meoblast001>who's CTCP versioning me?
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01:04<Ben90>yeah im having trouble with squeeze/sid so i just want to go back
01:06<Ben90>i don't like beta
01:07<Ben90>i'd rather run something stable for once.
01:07<nvelixzee>I have not done a downgrade for a while, but IIRC you have to change your sources.list file to be all lenny entries, the do an apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. You will have to watch what it is going to do, try a --dry-run first.
01:08<nvelixzee>then do a
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01:08<nvelixzee>Any one else here have a better idea or advice??
01:09<Ben90>what does --dry-run mean?
01:09<nvelixzee>makes apt-get show what would happen without actually unpacking and installing packages
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01:10<nvelixzee>so apt-get update; apt-get --dry-run dist-upgrade
01:10<dennis>maybe a simple dist-upgrade is not a good idea
01:10<Ben90>hang on
01:10<dennis>(sorry for my bad english)
01:11<nvelixzee>but I have only done it once, watch what it says
01:12<dennis>maybe the better way is purging most of the "superflous" packages then installing
01:13<dennis>libc6 is the major problem
01:13<Ben90>it says
01:13<Ben90>Reading package lists... Done
01:13<Ben90>Building dependency tree
01:13<Ben90>Reading state information... Done
01:13<Ben90>Calculating upgrade... Done
01:13<Ben90>The following packages will be upgraded:
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01:14<nvelixzee>that is a way fewer packages than I expected
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01:14<Ben90>so did you see that
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01:15<Ben90>so what does that mean?
01:15<nvelixzee>you should use a pastbin to post long output
01:15<guancc686>what is shell
01:15<Ben90>my mistake
01:15<nvelixzee>You are using squeeze?
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01:16<Ben90>when i typed apt-get update the output all had the word "lenny" in each line
01:17<Ben90>so what does that mean?
01:17<nvelixzee>It means that your box now has the package list that corresponds to the lenny release
01:17<Ben90>what do i do now?
01:18<Ben90>what do i type
01:19<nvelixzee>you did an apt-get --dry-run dist-upgrade to get that previous output ?
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01:19<Ben90>thats right
01:20<nvelixzee>take out the --dry-run, and it is going to put the lenny kernel on and clamav-data package. So not much of a change
01:21<nvelixzee>What is not working for you in the first place?
01:21<Ben90>ok but will i get my sound back?
01:21<nvelixzee>no idea, is that why you want to go back?
01:21<Ben90>yah cause the sound worked great then
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01:22<nvelixzee>so you moved to squeeze and lost sound?
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01:23<Ben90>somewhat , it only works when it wants
01:23<fosstux>Hi! I'm currently running Sidux and have got problems with the latest xorg intel driver. Xorg then fails to start
01:23<fosstux>currently I
01:23<fosstux>'m using the vesa driver....
01:23<Ben90>like in pidgin the sound works good
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01:24<Ben90>and in the irc chat the click sound works good too
01:24<fosstux>any Idea how to get the intel driver up and running?
01:24<Ben90>but in wine & VLC player the sound does not work right
01:25<nvelixzee>i see
01:25<Ben90>along with iceweasel as well
01:25<Ben90>etc etc.
01:25<Ben90>so would that work then?
01:26<nvelixzee>when you say 'does not work right', do you mean no sound at all?
01:26<Ben90>thats right
01:26<Ben90>nothing at all
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01:27<nvelixzee>I would guess that those apps that fail are attempting to use the wrong output device, or have a volume control down.
01:28<Ben90>maybe but they worked last night
01:28<Ben90>now they don't work now
01:30<fosstux>How can I install a specific version of xserver-xorg-video-intel?
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01:30<nvelixzee>do you still have the lenny kernel listed in grub.conf?
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01:33<Ben90>where is that at?
01:34<Ben90>where do i find grub.conf?
01:34<nvelixzee>sorry, look in /boot/grub/menu.lst (usually grub.conf is a sym link to it)
01:34<nvelixzee>sorry, look in /boot/grub/menu.lst (usually grub.conf is a sym link to it)
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01:37<Ben90>yeah its there now what do i do now?
01:38<nvelixzee>if it is still there you should be able to reboot with the old kernel and test if that gets sound going.
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01:39<Ben90>should i erase kernel 2.6.26-2-686?
01:39<nvelixzee>I am suspicious that this is just an app problem, but if the old kernel is there, it would save downgrading and you can check
01:39<nvelixzee>no don
01:39<nvelixzee>no don't erase a kernel
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01:40<nvelixzee>what kernel are you running now?
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01:40<Ben90>i mean un comment the lines with the 2.6.26-2-686? lines
01:40<Ben90>i do believe its 2.6.26-2-686?
01:41<Ben90>cuz thats what it said at startup
01:41<nvelixzee>type uname -a and see
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01:41<Ben90>it says Linux ben-desktop 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
01:44<nvelixzee>well, I'm not sure if that will help get your sound back on all apps or not.
01:44<Ben90>ok i'll try it and i will get back to you asap
01:44<nvelixzee>If you uncomment those lines, then grub will give you a chance to boot it at startup. But you
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01:45<nvelixzee>'ll have to make sure the kernel img file is still in /boot
01:46<nvelixzee>the thing is, lenny and squeeze are not that different right now, so why sound got messed up is a mystery to me.
01:47<nvelixzee>maybe squeeze is less stable, I cannot say
01:47<Ben90>Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-486 is also listed too
01:47<Ben90>whatever that means.
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01:48<nvelixzee>it is another version of the 2.6.26 kernel, with just 486 instructions
01:48<Ben90>should i use that then?
01:49<Ben90>yes or no?
01:49<nvelixzee>It won't hurt to try. If the boot fails, just choose the 2.6.26-2 kernel again and boot
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02:23<gpm>i'm using kino to export a dv file as an mp4. the exporting fails with "ffmpeg: unrecognized option '-title'" but, looking at ffmpeg's manpage, that is
02:23<gpm>clearly an option
02:24<gpm>any clues why it would fail with that message?
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02:32<Oyashiro>whers openssh-server keeps it's config files ?
02:33<mrw>Oyashiro: /etc/ssh/*
02:34<Oyashiro>thnx, totaly forgot
02:35<mrw>gpm, i'm not familiar with kino. is it a script with some sort, which you'd be able to grep for ffmpeg?
02:36<mrw>gpm, a as a wild guess i would say that kino is not encapsulating the argument to -title in quotes...
02:37<mrw>gpm, run file on it
02:38<gpm>-title "$title"
02:38<gpm>is what's in the script
02:38<gpm>run file on the script?
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02:39<mrw>gpm: if it's clearly a script, no. file would've simply saved you the trouble of opening a binary file in your text editor
02:39<gpm>yeah it's a bash script, i'd looked at it before coming here to ask
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02:39<mrw>gpm: there wouldn't happen to be a double quote in $title, would there?
02:41<gpm>title=`awk '/title="/ {split($0, x, "\""); z = 0; for (y in x) if (x[y] ~ /title=/) z = y + 1; print x[z]; exit}' "$project"`
02:41<gpm>could be?
02:41<gpm>i don't know awk that well
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02:43<mrw>gpm: the awk command line could be a good place to look, but i wonder if kino allows you to specify the video's title somewhere?
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02:43<mrw>gpm: like as a command line argument?
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02:43<gpm>let me check
02:44<gpm>there's a textbox where you can enter the path to output, but not anything about the title
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02:44<gpm>oh wait
02:44<gpm>it does!
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02:45<mrw>gpm: any double quote in that field?
02:45<gpm>should i just pick a random title and see if that fixes it? or did you have something more specific in mind?
02:47<mrw>gpm: what's currently in there?
02:47<gpm>it's empty
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02:48<mrw>gpm: hm, ok, one second
02:50<mrw>gpm: i'm getting the source package so i don't have to keep pestering you for details
02:51<gpm>haha, ok, i'm happy to look 'em up though
02:51<mrw>gpm: one thing that can be helpful is to check first the debian bug tracking system page for the package
02:51<gpm>i skimmed it earlier today, but i might've missed somethin'
02:51<mrw>gpm: and then, if your problem isn't mentioned there, to check the upstream bug tracking system
02:52<mrw>gpm: ok, awesome
02:52<gpm>oh i didn't check upstream
02:52<gpm>ugh, actually i haven't even looked at README.Debian, lazy me
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02:53<mrw>gpm: take a look at that while i look at this stuff
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02:54<mrw>gpm: all the awk command line does is searches for a line that contains title=" and prints out what's between the quotes
02:54<gpm>nothin' good
02:54<Ben90>my sound is not working!
02:54<Ben90>help me please ...
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02:55<gpm>a line in what?
02:55<mrw>gpm: again it would appear that it would fail on "
02:55<mrw>gpm: yeah, that's why i got the source package
02:55<mrw>gpm: not sure
02:55<Ben90>how would i go about fixing my sound problem?
02:56<gpm>Ben90: alsamixer
02:56<gpm>it's probably muted.
02:56<cahoot>run speaker-test -t wav -c2 - any error msg?
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02:58<mrw>gpm: how is this export script called? through a gui?
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03:02<mrw>gpm: ok, well, this is probably bad policy but if you're willing, i'd say back up and let's put in some echo statements to see what these variables actually are
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03:03<gpm>mrw: ok, anything you want to see spat out other than title?
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03:03<mrw>gpm: ok, first back up somewhere
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03:04<mrw>gpm: i don't want you to have to re install the package because i'm a bad programmer
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03:06<mrw>gpm: real quick, when you got this error, did you see if there was something like this in the output: "Title: MPEG-4 MP4 Single Pass (FFMPEG)"
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03:06<mrw>gpm: did it say "single pass" or "double"?
03:06<gpm>um, i can't remember for sure, but it did say that when i tried passing the dv file on the command line
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03:07<mrw>gpm: ok. i ask because there are two different scripts that are called depending if it's single or double pass
03:07<mrw>gpm: let's assume it's single and then go from there
03:08<gpm>mrw: it's dual that i've been trying
03:08<gpm>type those commands and prompt and hit enter
03:08<mrw>gpm: ok single is out
03:08<gpm>i can try single
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03:09<Ben90>my sound is stillmessed up
03:09<mrw>gpm: no no, if we're going to get it working let's do it the right way, you know?
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03:09<Ben90>!beer gpm
03:09*dpkg pulls out a tasty Bornem Tripple for gpm
03:09<gpm>mrw: i'm also curious about this, i'll try it in the background. let's do it the right way
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03:10<mrw>gpm: ok. well know that i know the script, make sure is backed up
03:10<mrw>gpm: then go to line 31 in that file
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03:11<mrw>gpm: the live one. it's in the execute function. you can search for project=
03:11<gpm>you sure we have the same script? i'm on squeeze
03:11<mrw>gpm: wrong line number?
03:12<gpm>no, just being too careful
03:12<Ben90>can someone please help me with my sound dillema
03:12<mrw>gpm: no problem, i'm definitely on squeeze
03:12<gpm>ok. anyway, i'm at the line
03:13<mrw>gpm: ok, then move down after the command line arguments are assigned to local variables, i.e., the blank line after aspect="$7"
03:13<Ben90>i got a question.
03:13<mrw>gpm: and put in echo "DEBUG project= " $project
03:14<mrw>Ben90: i am obviously busy helping someone right now. if you'd like help, please try to be more specific. what programs are you expecting to produce sounds that aren't?
03:15<mrw>Ben90: if you can do that, i can ask you to do some simple research that might help you while i'm helping gpm
03:15<Ben90>when i log in my sound works good
03:15<gpm>when they act like babies, i like to ignore them
03:16<mrw>gpm: yeah, but i started using debian when i was like 14
03:16<gpm>you mean before the line with dirname?
03:16<mrw>gpm: so, you know how i used to ack
03:16<gpm>didn't start til college
03:17<gpm>didn't have my own computer til then
03:17<mrw>gpm: s/ack/act. yeah, after dirname is ok. it's nice to keep it close to the variables but hardly essential
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03:17<Ben90>but whenever i use anything that is not based on the system sound scheme such as running VLC Player Or Zsnes In Wine Or any other game or app it wont work for some reason
03:17<gpm>no, i was going to put it before, with the vars
03:17<mrw>Ben90: do you know how to use the command line?
03:17<gpm>anyhow it's in there?
03:17<Ben90>somewhat why?
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03:18<mrw>gpm: sorry, i misread. yeah, awesome. rerun kino, making sure it's in the foreground etc and let's see if we can catch the DEBUG line and see what's going on a little
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03:19<mrw>Ben90: because i'm going to ask you to use the command line. if you can open up a terminal, then type
03:19<gpm>oh paste of the output comin' up
03:19<mrw>Ben90: ls -l /dev/dsp
03:20<mrw>gpm: ok good
03:20<Ben90>ok 1 sec
03:21<Ben90>It Says : ls: cannot access /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
03:21<gpm>("Locking audio (10%)")
03:22<gpm>that wasn't for you
03:22<Ben90>ok my bad...
03:22<mrw>Ben90: ok, that is ok. let's remember that for right now and type 'cat /etc/group | grep audio'
03:22<mrw>no quotes
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03:22<gpm>mrw: you mean grep audio /etc/group
03:23<Ben90>audio:x:29:ben,pulse is what it says
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03:23<mrw>gpm: you might say that
03:23<mrw>gpm: if you wanted to act like you knew grep
03:23<gpm>very much i want to act like i know grep
03:23<gpm>maybe if i do that enough, i'll know grep.
03:23<mrw>gpm: but it's better not to look like you know what you're doing too much
03:23<gpm>good call
03:24<gpm>stillll locking audio
03:24<mrw>Ben90: ok. ben is your user name, right?
03:24<Ben90>im gonna pastebin the output
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03:24<Ben90>yes it is
03:25<mrw>Ben90: ok, no need to paste anything
03:25<mrw>gpm: my fastest computer is a 2.8GHz P4, so i know how it is
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03:25<mrw>gpm: whoops
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03:25<mrw>Ben90: you're going to get banned if you keep that up
03:26<mrw>Ben90: i didn't ask for the full output
03:26<goodger>mrw: pastelag; he can't help but keep it up
03:26<mrw>goodger: i guess this is my fault
03:26<goodger>what's much more annoying is that it keeps highlighting me, because I have ben on highlight >_<
03:27<Ben90>thats why i said i wanted to pastebin it
03:27<Ben90>im sorry.
03:27<Ben90>Sorry :)
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03:27<mrw>Ben90: it's all right, just don't give me what i didn't ask for
03:28<gpm>mrw: crap, somehow the stuff we added isn't showing up
03:28<gpm>just checked the script too, the line is there.
03:28<Ben90>so by reading what you got there can you make an assumption as to whats going on?
03:28<mrw>gpm: and you edited the live copy? the one in /usr/bin or whatever?
03:29<mrw>gpm: you might try reverting the file we edited and doing instead
03:29<gpm>it's in /usr/share/kino/scripts/exports
03:29<gpm>and i edited that script
03:30<mrw>gpm: ok yeah, just got to be sure. i'm not trying to assume you're an idiot, honest.
03:30<Signius>I am having a nightmare getting the right drivers and screen resolution with debian lenny and an ATI 9200pro grpahics card.....If i try and intall the fglrx-driver xserver wont start and if i make any changes to xorg.conf xserver wont start
03:30<mrw>Ben90: that's correct. again, what programs do you expect to make noise that aren't?
03:30<gpm>haha, i am an idiot, i'm not offended.
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03:31<mrw>gpm: yeah well i'm right there with you. ok, well, i guess the next step provides two options:
03:31<Ben90>the programs that i expect to make sound are vlc player , zsnes in wine ,gens in wine ,nestron in wine.
03:31<gpm>mrw: wait on a tic
03:31<mrw>gpm: ok
03:32<mrw>Ben90: ok, well, two things
03:32<gpm>mrw: i tried running the script with a dv file as an arg, that didn't work. maybe i can create the variables it needs
03:32<gpm>and try running that way
03:32<gpm>maybe the problem's in the gui
03:32<mrw>Ben90: zsnes is in the debian archive, so you don't need to run it in wine
03:32<Ben90>i prefer to use it in wine
03:33<Ben90>its more stable
03:33<Ben90>i guess
03:33<Ben90>thats the first thing now for the secone
03:33<mrw>gpm: yeah, it's possible. but i would guess that before you can call ffmpeg_mp4*.sh directly you have to figure out what its command line arguments are
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03:33<mrw>gpm: you know? so that leads us back to this echo statement stuff
03:33<gpm>ugh of course it's not documented
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03:34<mrw>gpm: use the source, luke
03:34<mrw>Ben90: correct, the second is let's ignore the wine programs for right now
03:34<mrw>Ben90: that leaves vlc player
03:34<Ben90>the vlc player is not working for sound
03:34<Ben90>at all
03:34*Supaplex falls asleep *thud*
03:34<mrw>Ben90: ok, so try to run vlc player from the command line
03:35<gpm>yeah but it's a little cryptic, i'm not a stellar, $0? i think $1 is an arg you'd pass, but i'm not really sure.
03:35<mrw>Ben90: type vlc and then press the tab key twice
03:35<mrw>gpm: $0 is the whole command line, i believe, like in awk
03:36<mrw>gpm: nobody knows shell scripting, i don't think. it's something you always have to look up
03:36<mrw>gpm: well, ok, i don't know shell scripting and i always just look it up
03:37<Ben90>nope still not working
03:37<mrw>gpm: anyway, you can try to revert * and put it in
03:37<mrw>gpm: see if it comes out there
03:37<mrw>gpm: alternatively you can do something like
03:38<Ben90>no sound
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03:39<mrw>gpm: watch -n 1 'ps ax | grep ffmpeg' and scroll lock it (^S) when you see ffmpeg
03:40<mrw>gpm: err, ^s as in not capital s
03:40<mrw>gpm: ^q will unlock it
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03:40<mrw>gpm: it's ghetto but you could catch a glimpse of the ffmpeg script's command line
03:40<gpm>oh nice.
03:41<mrw>gpm: not as nice as being able to read the code but whatever
03:41<mrw>gpm: you got to go with what you know
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03:42<gpm>it has to lock that damn audio again
03:43<Ben90>im back
03:43<mrw>gpm: M x tetris if you're emacs inclined
03:44<Ben90>i tried vlc player and no luck
03:44<gpm>i don't want to get involved in an editor war
03:44<gpm>!start an editor war
03:44<dpkg>vim blows
03:44<mrw>gpm: hahaha
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03:44<mrw>Ben90: so you ran vlc in the command line
03:45<mrw>Ben90: vlc loaded up, and a bunch of text scrolled by
03:45<gpm>i think there's a browser war too
03:45<gpm>!start a browser war
03:45<dpkg>Opera < Firebird!
03:45<gpm>whoa firebird!
03:45<mrw>Ben90: in that text, see if you can find something about audio
03:45<mrw>gpm: yeah, 2002 style
03:45<Ben90>ok 1sec
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03:47<Ben90>im gonna pastebin the output
03:48<mrw>Ben90: no
03:48<mrw>Ben90: do not do that
03:48<mrw>Ben90: i again specifically asked if there is anything about audio in the output
03:48<mrw>Ben90: so do not paste the whole thing
03:48<mrw>Ben90: ok?
03:48<mrw>Ben90: just tell me if there is anything about audio in the output
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03:49<cahoot>Ben90: start from the beginning, cat /proc/asound/cards
03:49<mrw>Ben90: listen to cahoot
03:50<Ben90>ok 1 sec
03:50<mrw>Ben90: he is right
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03:51<Ben90>it says : 1 [AudioPCI ]: ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI
03:51<Ben90> Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xecc0, irq 11
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03:51<cahoot>ok so your card is the 2:nd sound device from alsas POW
03:51<gpm>mrw: interesting
03:51<cahoot>do you have any usb device you connect/disconnect - like a cam?
03:51<Ben90>im lost lol
03:51<gpm>i backed up the script to (thename).bak
03:51<mrw>gpm: ?
03:51<gpm>/bin/sh /usr/share/kino/scripts/exports/ ntsc 3158.258258 3 /home/gpm/zxm /tmp/kino.jf3YYv 1 16:9
03:52<gpm>is what shows up
03:52<mrw>gpm: ok
03:52<mrw>gpm: hmmmm
03:52<gpm>zxm was a name i made up
03:52<mrw>gpm: for sur
03:53<mrw>gpm: e. so going to the script we see...
03:53<Ben90>so what do i do now?
03:53<mrw>gpm: $1 = normalization = ntsc
03:53<mrw>gpm: counting up from there we see that $project ends up being /tmp/kino.jf3YYv
03:54<cahoot>Ben90: answer the question?
03:54<gpm>it's an xml file
03:54<Ben90>what question?
03:54<gpm>with the dv's filename
03:54<cahoot>do you have any usb device you connect/disconnect - like a cam? Ben90
03:54<gpm>and the start/end times
03:54<mrw>gpm: ok, does grepping it for title= return anything?
03:54<Ben90>no i don't
03:55<mrw>gpm: because it's starting to look like your idea of just putting a random title name in might be the right work around
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03:55<cahoot>Ben90: try this then: (as root) dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base, invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
03:55<mrw>gpm: or rather a work around
03:55<mrw>gpm: because...
03:55<cahoot>Ben90: the check the output of cat /proc/asound/cards
03:56<gpm>it's weird that they used the bak file...
03:56<gpm>no wonder your edits didn't show up
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03:56<Ben90>it says : Resetting ALSA card 0...failed (none loaded).
03:56<Ben90>invoke-rc.d: initscript alsa-utils, action "reset" failed.
03:56<mrw>gpm: hah, yeah. i do not feel like looking in the *.cc files to see why, but i'm sure there's a perfectly rational explanation for it
03:57<mrw>gpm: perfectly rational
03:57<cahoot>Ben90: check the output of cat /proc/asound/cards
03:57<gpm>of course
03:57<Ben90>same input as before
03:57<Ben90>i mean output
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03:58<cahoot>Ben90: try asoundconf - see if you can make card1 default
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03:58<mrw>ok gpm
03:58<Ben90>ok 1 sec
03:59<mrw>gpm: here's what i'm thinking. ffmpeg -title expects an argument
03:59<Ben90>its not working
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04:00<mrw>gpm: the ffmpeg_mp4*.sh scripts assume you've specified one in the gui [and it doesn't contain double quotes] so it tries to pull it out of this xml file with awk
04:00<Ben90>it says command not found.
04:00<mrw>gpm: awk of course doesn't pull anything out in this case because there's no title= in the xml file
04:00<mrw>gpm: so $title is empty and ffmpeg dies unhappily. so the quick fix: provide a filler title
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04:01<gpm>testing with a title
04:01<mrw>gpm: ok, this might be bug reportable
04:01<cahoot>Ben90: using lenny or what?
04:01<Ben90>im using lenny
04:02<cahoot>Ben90: try asoundconf as root
04:03<gpm>in squeeze, especially
04:03<Ben90>same thing as before
04:03<mrw>gpm: yeah, that's why it's called "testing" right?
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04:03<cahoot>Ben90: see 3.15
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04:04<Ben90>asoundconf does not exist
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04:04<Ben90>ok 1 sec
04:04<gpm>same error
04:04<urbinek>i've problem with HotKey volume bar
04:04<gpm>and i looked at our "profile," it's got the title in it
04:05<gpm>the older tmp file/profile, didn't
04:05<gpm>man, it's time to fire up reportbug, methinks
04:05<mrw>gpm: about the .sh.bak being used without apparent cause: does kino have a daemon?
04:05<urbinek>after first run its like but after first daemon reset it looks like
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04:05<gpm>if it does, it's not showing up when i ps ax|grep kino
04:06<mrw>gpm: yeah, i'm afraid
04:06<mrw>gpm: ok... hold on...
04:06<tomi>What is naming strategy for pata hard drivers in debian
04:06<Ben90>ok then what?
04:06<urbinek>tomi hd*
04:07<cahoot>Ben90: you want to make alsa give your Ensoniq index 0 - the FAQ tells you how to
04:07<mrw>gpm: if you move .bak to your home directory, so that the only available script is the modified one
04:08<mrw>gpm: does kino die?
04:08<tomi>i have 3 hard drivers, 2 on first channel and 1 on second, hda,hdb,and hdc, what names will be have when i remove second hrddrive on first channel
04:08<urbinek>that sam e
04:08<urbinek>they shoudn't change name
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04:10<deniz>how do i open a port with firehol?
04:12<nirgal>Hi. I have over 80 updates in lenny today. What's going on?
04:13<urbinek>nirgal: happy update day
04:13<gpm>no, it doesn't
04:13<gpm>mrw: it doesn't
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04:13<mrw>gpm: but it doesn't call the modified script either?! i.e., no DEBUG???
04:14<Ben90>how do i do that when i can't even find the /etc/modprobe.conf file in lenny
04:14<gpm>mrw: hold on, locking audio
04:15<mrw>gpm: k
04:15<cahoot>Ben90: see the last part of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
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04:16<Ben90>ok now what
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04:16<cahoot>made the changes?
04:17<Ben90>where at in the alsa-base file do i edit it?
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04:17<deniz>nirgal, i just apt-get updated to check and i have 71 updates!!! thats a big change from the usual 0 updates per day
04:18<Ben90>i see the # autoloader aliases
04:18<Ben90># Cause optional modules to be loaded above generic modules
04:18<Ben90># Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
04:18<Ben90># Keep snd-pcsp from beeing loaded as first soundcard
04:18<nirgal>deniez: thank you for letting me know. Did you also get an error message "debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad file descriptor" ?
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04:19<Ben90>options bt87x index=-2
04:19<Ben90>options cx88_alsa index=-2
04:19<Ben90>options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2
04:19<Ben90>options snd-intel8x0m index=-2
04:19<Ben90>options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
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04:19<Ben90>did you see that?
04:20<urbinek>Ben90: use pastabin
04:20<gpm>weird, no output
04:20<Ben90>ok my mistake .
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04:22<deniz>nirgal, well my internet is somewhat slow and i have almost 200mb to download but so far no errors
04:22<mrw>gpm: oh man, at all
04:22<mrw>gpm: ?
04:22<gpm>yeah, i'm watching to make sure it didn't go to my home dir, which would be crazy
04:22<mrw>gpm: it won't, export/ is hard coded(!)
04:23<nirgal>deniz: Here, it was the first thing printed after the downloads were over...
04:23<mrw>gpm: does top show CPU activity?
04:23<Ben90>so what do i do?
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04:24<deniz>nirgal, o my downloads will be done in 58min and im sleeping really soon so i wouldnt be able to tell u unfortunately
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04:24<cahoot>Ben90: cat /proc/asound/modules to see the name of the alsa module you''re interested of
04:24<mrw>gpm: so it's hung. wow
04:25<mrw>gpm: well, i guess restore the .bak file
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04:25<mrw>gpm: after you kill kino
04:25<fastidio>hi folks, there's a way to fix the xserver-xorg-core issue, related to latest sid update?
04:25<Ben90> 1 snd_ens1371
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04:26<mrw>gpm: and then try it one last time with a filler title, just to be sure
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04:26<cahoot>Ben90: so options snd-ens1371 index=0 is what you want then - no?
04:26<Ben90>cahoot it says : 1 snd_ens1371
04:27<Ben90>ok where do i put that line?
04:27<cahoot>Ben90: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
04:27<gpm>too tired, going to bed.
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04:28<mrw>that was a smart move
04:28<cahoot>then (as root) alsa force-reload - and check /proc/asound/cards again
04:28<mrw>cahoot: the dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base invoke-rc.d was useful -- thanks for that
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04:29<cahoot>that's all that should be needed for sound in debian
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04:30<vati>moin und frohe ostern :)
04:30<mihkel>Hi. I'm useing lenny and ran aptitude update today. It says there are 55 updates
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04:31<mihkel>But I see no announces on security list
04:31<nirgal>mihkel: same thing here. But I got no answer about why ...
04:32<mihkel>ok. I guess we have to wait then
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04:34<topgun21>Caould some one please diagnose my apt problems
04:35<nirgal>topgun21: You have problem with an unsupported non-debian repository I guess
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04:37<Supaplex>topgun21: that mirror looks bad.
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04:40<Hagge>hello, how do i let debian use multiple passwd- and group-files? I've read nsswitcch.conf(4) but can not figure it out..
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04:41<Ben90>i put the line in now what do i do?
04:41<fastidio>anyone knows when xorg trouble in sid will fix??
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04:41<cahoot>then (as root) alsa force-reload - and check /proc/asound/cards again
04:41<Supaplex>fastidio: what's bts say?
04:42<topgun21>Supaplex: I hate to sayit but the main server also looks iffy\
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04:42<fastidio>Supaplex: bts?
04:42<Ben90>it outputted this : 0 [AudioPCI ]: ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI
04:42<Ben90> Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xecc0, irq 11
04:43<cahoot>and people are reporting lots of unannounced upgrades in lenny
04:43<cahoot>Ben90: bingo
04:43<Supaplex>fastidio: yes. it's a requirement for sid. /msg dpkg bts
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04:43<Ben90>so will wine work too?
04:44<fastidio>Supaplex: don't know what it means
04:44<Supaplex>Ben90: tias
04:44<Supaplex>!tell Ben90 -about tias
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04:44<Supaplex>fastidio: perhaps you want stable instead, if unstable isn't stable enough
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04:44<Ben90>ok 1sec
04:45<fastidio>my only trouble is when an update break xorg
04:45<Ben90>vlc is working
04:46<fastidio>and if, you do the update, and X don't work, the only thing you can do, is to wait
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04:46<Supaplex>fastidio: you could downgrade and pin it.
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04:47<fastidio>sure, thanks, this is what a user wants to hear
04:47<flexy>I've got a fresh install of squeeze. When I go to certain web pages (with iceweasel), other cpu hits full load. And it seems it stays that way. I think it's flash related. Is this the way to go? Just browsing the net gets the laptop chewin on the battery...??
04:47<petern>don't install flash? heh
04:48<stuart>"ing operating system" --- how can I reinstall Grub (which I'm assuming will fix that little problem)?
04:48<Supaplex>fastidio: glad to help. =)
04:48<Ben90>the sound in wine running zsnes is working great
04:48<stuart>woops "Error loading oS" even
04:48<Ben90>and so is vlc
04:48<topgun21>There is a major time bug in the lenny archives on every server i have tried
04:48<Ben90>whatever we did it worked great
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04:49<flexy>petern: just about half of the net pages include flash. Should we just ignore it?
04:49<Supaplex>topgun21: try
04:49<Supaplex>90% of flash is annoying ads. :)
04:49<Supaplex>5% are self ignoring ads.
04:50<topgun21>Supaplex: Looks lik i am goint to need to hand edit my apt-sources list
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04:50<Supaplex>topgun21: I'd use a text editor. what did you use before? :)
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04:50<flexy>Supaplex: perhaps yes. But on the other hand, try and you'll see that the flash covers the text. Can't choose link under flash...
04:50<Supaplex>topgun21: btw, you might want to /msg dpkg downgrade I was only suggesting that for a select few packages.
04:50<topgun21>Supaplex: I used the Repostory editor gui
04:51<Ben90>wine works all the way through now with no error of any kind.
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04:51<etenil>Hi everyone
04:51<etenil>I just upgraded to squeeze
04:51<etenil>and my gnome notifications are broken
04:51<Supaplex>so your test failed?
04:51<etenil>I think it's a policy problem with dbus
04:52<Ben90>thanks gpm supaplex urbinek cahoot
04:52<Ben90>good night
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04:52<etenil>could someone give me a hand as I don't know where to set the policy
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04:54<topgun21>Hiow do i change my apt/sources.list file to refelect
04:55<stuart>I have a Grub issue: "Error loading operating system" What should I do?
04:55<Supaplex>!tell topgun21 -about sources.list
04:56<Supaplex>topgun21: any text editor you're comfy with should do. I'd walk you through it, but my graymatter is in deep sleep debt. good night. =)
04:56<Supaplex>!tell stuart -about rescue
04:58<etenil>er Supaplex, would you know how I can solve my problem?
05:00<etenil>!tell etenil -about rescue
05:00<stuart>supaplex : I'm sure that's potential;ly helpful (if i actually knew what I was doing)
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05:01<etenil>Hello again
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05:01<stuart>supaplex: so if I get to a terminal... what then?
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05:02<flexy>crap. can't remove the flash plugin, removing it would want to remove gnome also. handy.
05:02<etenil>I'm having some trouble with dbus and the notifications on squeeze
05:02<etenil>can someone help?
05:04<flexy>don't know what notifications are. so I can't.
05:04<etenil>that's the gnome notifications
05:04<etenil>you know the small pop-ups when something happens
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05:04<etenil>since my update to squeeze, they just don't appear any more
05:06<flexy>can't really say more that to look for the system menus
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05:07<etenil>I've tried to use the small notification settings tool in the system's preferences menu, but when I try a preview, it fails and say it might be because of a dbus security policy
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05:10<Hagge>is it possible to use multiple passwd- and group-filesin debian lenny?
05:11<flexy>ok, tried the pop up notification, worked for me. Totally oblivious with dbus, so no help from here. I would recommend fresh install, I had a very old install, upgraded couple of times, but it started to do stupid stuff, like in windows... finally I fed up with fixing and reinstalled. seems better, except browsing internet, it tends to cause full cpu usage...
05:11<diego>hi there, I have a problem with NetworkManager ... it works perfectly but sometimes the wifi will go away and come back in some minutes
05:11<diego>and it does not connect back
05:11<diego>I cannot use a wired network (wifi is only choice)
05:11<flexy>diego: apt-get install wicd
05:12<diego>flexy: should I remove NetworkManager to use this new one ?
05:13<flexy>diego: most propably
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05:14<diego>oh, I have another problem ... today I did an update and it installed a new kernel image, which does not work properly ... Im using the old image
05:14<diego>but every time I ran aptitude
05:14<diego>it asks to remove the current (used by me) kernel
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05:15<diego>saying they are not longer required
05:15<flexy>diego: aptitude install <current-kernel>
05:15<flexy>diego: you have installed just the -2.6 kernel, so it tries to update it automatically
05:16<diego>yeah, I updated, but new kernel has problems with nvidia driver
05:16<flexy>install the current working one, and it does not try to remove it
05:16<diego>couldnt load X
05:16<flexy>yes yes
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05:16<diego>flexy: thx :)
05:17<diego>flexy: I dont know why they sent that kernel to testing if it does not work with nvidia which is the most widely used card :P
05:17<tuxcrafter>what is the name of the package that adds the add and remove softwar to the gnome panel
05:18<flexy>don't know, I've been using the nvidia drivers installed from their proprietary package
05:18<tuxcrafter>i meann the xdg menu
05:18<diego>flexy: me too , using nvidia proprietary
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05:32<fonto>salut tout le monde
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05:53<tuxcrafter>somebody know the name of the add and remove software app that is avalible in gnome
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05:59<tuxcrafter>mihkel: thanks
05:59<tuxcrafter>that was what i was searching for
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06:21<nirgal>so now, in stable, /etc/debian_version is 5.0.1 ? :)
06:24<mihkel>nirgal, did you install all those 55 or so updates?
06:24<nirgal>There definitely should be some announcement on !
06:24<nirgal>mihkel: there were more than 80 here
06:25<mihkel>no problem so far?
06:25<nirgal>no problem, but for an error message during extraction of templates
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06:27<petern>yeah, seems a bit random to have a load of updates :o
06:27<petern>maybe the repos were hacked :s
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06:28<nirgal>petern: with gpg key, then ;)
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06:31<mjt>oh yeah... openoffice, pam, gtk, bind9, ...
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06:47<petern>nirgal, very impressive hack ;)
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06:50<mjt>hm. I'm trying to use - for the first time.
06:51<mjt>i've both stable and testing in sources.list, and now added backports (default-release stable)
06:51<mjt>but now when i try to install something from backports it wants to pull some stuff from testing.
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06:52<azeem_>mjt: pin down testing I guess
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06:52<mjt>f.e., - it goes for right versions of oo.o, but also gets libc6 from testing.
06:52<azeem>mjt: because you have stable-backports > testing > stable set
06:52<azeem>and libc6 isn't in stable-backports, so is taken from testing
06:53<azeem>(wild guess)
06:53<mjt>got it. set -testing to 50 in apt/preferences.
06:53<mjt>and now it gets right stuff from right places.
06:54<mjt>what's the way to list all priorities in effect?
06:54<mjt>like, what does "APT::Default-Release stable" do?
06:55<azeem>try apt-cache policy libc6 or something
06:56<azeem>preferably on a package which is also in stable-backpors
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06:56<mjt>that one i already found.
06:56<mjt>had to also find a package to test with :)
06:56<mjt>or several really - because i need a package wich has diff. versions in all repos.
06:57<azeem>try then maybe
06:57<mjt>so default-release stable is pin-priority:990
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07:00<mjt>. o O { libbackport-util-concurrent-java }
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07:09<mjt>oh. oo.o from backports removed spell checker and thesaurus. how very nice of it.
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07:39<goodger>ok, mounting a CDROM is failing hard. umount say it's not mounted. how do I stop it from whirring and clicking aimlessly and make it let me start again?
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07:43<nirgal>gooder: sometimes "eject" command line helps ...
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07:47<goodger>nirgal: it's still aimlessly clicking and whirring, with the eject command doing nothing but flash the cursor, but thanks for the suggestion
07:48<goodger>it's ejected
07:52<RainCT>Dones anyone know how to install the nvidia driver for 2.6.29?
07:53<mjt>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv ? :0
07:54<RainCT>mjt: nvidia, not nv. The later one works like crap (minimizing/maximizing windows takes ages)
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07:57<cahoot> possibly RainCT
07:59<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
07:59<valdyn>RainCT: ^^
08:00<valdyn>goodger: your cdrom is doing this crap because it firmware tells it to, linux cant do much about it
08:00<goodger>valdyn: it actually stopped after a large delay once I issued the eject command, and then it mounted perfectly
08:01<valdyn>goodger: sure, thats possible
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08:03<Catprog>Can someone point me to a site that shows how to get LVM on raid working after reboting? lvdisplay shows the correct info but the mount point has nothing inside
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08:10<RainCT>cahoot, valdyn: seems like that worked, thanks
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08:12<RainCT>but I had to change "dh_builddeb --destdir=$(KPKG_DEST_DIR)" to "dh_builddeb --destdir=/usr/src" in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/rules. Did I do something wrong or should I file a bug about it?
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08:12<RainCT>(KPKG_DEST_DIR isn't defined anywhere in debian/rules)
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08:16<valdyn>Catprog: run lvs, do the volumes have the a flag set?
08:17<Catprog>Under Attr -wi-a-
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08:17<valdyn>Catprog: then you just need to mount volumes
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08:20<Catprog>mount <lvm volume><mount point> ?
08:20<valdyn>Catprog: ls /dev/mapper/ and see
08:21<Catprog>valdyn: control lvm--raid-storage
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08:22<valdyn>Catprog: what the
08:23<valdyn>Catprog: look into the directory /dev/mapper/ and mount volumes you find there
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08:25<Catprog>Now it works. how do I set it up to automaticly do so?
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08:29<ircfromsh>i upgradet to lenny from etch, but i can't start xserver, lol
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08:31<bremner>ircfromsh: did you try without xorg.conf?
08:31<ircfromsh>the error on log is no screens found
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08:32<ircfromsh>bremner explain you please
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08:34<bremner>ircfromsh: what kind of graphics card?
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08:34<ircfromsh>nvidia 7600 gt, but before the upgrade it run
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08:36<ircfromsh>when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, don't let me configure monitor and video card
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08:37*bremner doesn't know about nvidia
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08:41<Unsibunsi>yo peepz
08:41<Unsibunsi>Hows tha peepz doin?
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08:43<bremner>ircfromsh: are you using the proprietary driver from nvidia?
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08:45<grummund>hi, is there a non-interactive alternative to dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
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08:46<ircfromsh>i installed etch last houre ago than try to upgrade to lenny, just change etch to lenny
08:46<azeem>ircfromsh: please read the release notes instead
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08:46<ircfromsh>no property friver yet
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08:47<ircfromsh>hehe i can't lol, i have not access to www from shell lol
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08:49<Jaleks>try to set the xorg.conf to use the 'vesa' driver which should work with alomst any graphics card
08:49<bremner>ircfromsh: install lynx or w3m
08:49<Jaleks>then goto nvidia, dowload appropriate drivers and let the driver reconfigure your xorg.conf (don't worry, backup included)
08:50<Jaleks>lynx is nice, w3m (arklgfb*&) ok, try links2 :-)
08:50<ircfromsh>Jalekes it don't find vesa, i read on log
08:51<ircfromsh>i have not acces to www
08:52<petern>you can use irc but you can't browse?
08:52<fxiny>hmmm : i replaced my backups cause linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 seems borked here (no sound) . Now aptitude shows me just the kernel to be upgraded but apt-get (dist-upgrade) wants more then two : "2 upgraded, 27 newly installed"
08:52<Jaleks>you don't have any access to the web rioght now? hmpf
08:52<Jaleks>tell me what messenger you use ;-)
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08:52<ircfromsh>Tinyirc 1.1 LOL
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08:53<Jaleks>and that brings the web wiht it? nice :-)
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08:53<ircfromsh>i mean have not access to web browser
08:54<Jaleks>so `apt-get install links2`
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08:55<fxiny>am i the only one having no sound installing latest lenny kernel ?
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08:55<grummund>fxiny: what chipset?
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08:56<bremner>fxiny: and what is the version of the latest lenny kernel ? ;-)
08:56<fxiny>yamaha opl3sa , yes old
08:57<fxiny>bremner: today kernel : linux-image-2.6.26-2-686{a} linux-image-2.6.26-2-vserver-686{a}
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08:58<fxiny>much worse is : apt-get keeps kernel not upgraded and going dist-upgrade wants : 2 upgraded, 27 newly installed,
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08:59<bremner>on lenny? should be mostly security updates.
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09:00<fxiny>yes , this morning i did aptitude upgrade --> 33 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed , including 2 kernels . i repolaced backups and installed all but kernels
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09:01<fxiny>cause i had no sound at all . now i'm on line , i run aptitude update and i can see aptitude still wants only two packages -> linux-image-2.6.26-2-686{a} linux-image-2.6.26-2-vserver-686{a} and apt-ge seems going crazy
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09:02<topogigio>lol cool links2
09:03<djc>FWIW, I'm in synaptic, havent done anything with the comp at all in a coupe days, and 'mark all upgrades' gives me nothing
09:03<fxiny>bremner: posting my logs in a sec
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09:03<djc>wait.. let me reload
09:03<djc>see if its still that way
09:04<djc>ok nvm. got new packages now
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09:05<Jaleks1>so ircfromsh was satisfied by now? (eastern seems to be too mauch for my cable conncetion and threw me out...)
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09:07<djc>Jaleks1, I've read that three times, and still I have no idea what you mean
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09:08<djc>oh ircfromsh is a nick
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09:09<Jaleks1>djc: just wonderd if it's problem was solved in the time my internet connection had been cut for some time (and i assume it had been cut because the provider is not fit enough for eastern or any other holiday)
09:10<djc>"eastern" ?
09:10<djc>ok now I get it
09:10<fxiny>grummund bremner : this are detailed logs :
09:10<djc>'eastern' is a time zone
09:10<fxiny>packages names, aptitude and apt-get messages
09:10<djc>How on earth did you typo eastern for Easter
09:11<djc>twice, no less
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09:12<djc>Is it possible to see a changelog or something for 'upgradeable' packages
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09:14<Jaleks1>it's because im tired and so my english gets a bit german, i think: ;-)
09:14<djc>I see
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09:18<grummund>fxiny: i can't help except to say my sound also stopped with an upgrade to lenny and it turned out that the sound driver for my chipset was removed due to dfsg issues
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09:18<djc>it would be nice, of synaptic could pull and display the changelog from
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09:19<bremner>djc: apt-listchanges integrates with aptitude, no idea about synaptic
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09:21<fxiny>grummund: thanx , so there are issue about sound . ok . i'm opening a saved linux-image-2.6-686_2.6.26+17+lenny1_i386.deb
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09:21<djc>fxiny, what sound chipset/card do you have?
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09:21<cahoot>not a matter of missing firmware?
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09:22<grummund>fxiny: look in /lib/modules to see if your sound driver still exists
09:22<fxiny>djc: opl3sa , yahmaha old card , is working right now with the old lenny kernel
09:22<bremner>fxiny: no idea really about the upgrading, but there seems to be a point release in progress (5.0.1), so maybe try again later?
09:23<fxiny>bremner: yes . i read a mail some days ago about , lenny and etch
09:23<cahoot>alsa-firmware-loaders installed?
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09:25<cahoot>err disregard
09:25<djc>bremner, ugh.. aptitude's interface is... awkward to use
09:25<djc>left arrow should 'back up'
09:25<djc>i installed apt-listchanges.. how do I pull that up from in aptitude?
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09:25<fxiny>grummund: whgat is this linux-image-2.6-686_2.6.26+17+lenny1_i386.deb ? there is only a doc inside
09:25<djc>ugh. I hit 'help', and the obvious 'esc' doesnt back out of it
09:26<bremner> djc: now that I think about it, it lists changes after the packages are downloaded
09:26<Washi>djc, why do you use the ncurses interface?
09:26<Washi>aptitude has cli too
09:26<djc>hrm.. ok its mousable
09:26<djc>still, very awkward
09:26<Washi>aptitude changelog <package>
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09:27<djc>Ok. 'C' to get changelog.. but i just says it couldnt fetch (URL).
09:28<fxiny>-d downloading a 2.6.26-15
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09:28<Washi>aptitude won't fetch it?
09:28<djc>I wonder how hard it would be to add the ability to grab those to synaptic, on another tab in 'properties' for a package
09:28<bremner>djc: works for me, at least from the cli
09:29<Nemoder>might need to update first
09:29<Washi>aptitude +cli always works
09:29<bremner>djc: also there is a gtk interface to aptitude in experimental (maybe unstable by now)
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09:31<fxiny>grummund: opl modules are there
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09:32<djc>To be honest, I rather like synaptic.. I just one of the tabs under properties was 'changelog'.
09:32<fxiny>could it be alsa ?
09:32<djc>And I'm surprised at that, since Im typically a CLI person
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09:32<djc>s/just one/just wish one/
09:33<fxiny>cahoot: what is about alsa-firmware-loaders ?
09:33<bremner>djc: sure, just pointing out another option instead of extending synaptic
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09:33<cahoot>fxiny: just that some yamaha cards need firmware not considered wholly 'free'
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09:34<djc>Is there 'aptitude changelog "all available upgradeable packages' ?
09:34<cahoot>I suppose dmesg would tell
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09:36<fxiny>cahoot: this is an old card , i can see opl3 and 4 modules still there . i'm checking all sound modules
09:37<cahoot>fxiny: later debian kernels doesn't enable Yamaha firmware support
09:39<fxiny>cahoot: later kernels ? you mean today linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-15_i386.deb ?
09:39<fxiny>i'm using "yesterday" kernel
09:39<cahoot>I might be barking at the wrong tree
09:40<fxiny>cahoot: why ? it looks interesting
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09:41<djc>hrm.. ok.. it does support getting the changelog.. but its in the 'package' menu
09:42<fxiny>checking another box
09:43<fxiny>but i can see opl modules in new kernel lib
09:43<djc>and apparently it has no ability to cache.. each time it downloads it again
09:43<djc>well at least its there
09:43<cahoot> Debian has stopped _distributing_ software blobs such as firmware required to allow some types of hardware such as your Yamaha soundcard to work.
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09:44<RainCT>Hi. Has anyone here got fingerprintGUI with upek driver working on Lenny?
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09:46<karim>the MAKE_OPTIONS in the rules file totaly overide any options in the original Makefile ?
09:46<RainCT>Nevermind, got it :)
09:46<fxiny>cahoot: date is "Mon Oct 6 08:45:36 PDT 2008" . i can play with yesterday kernel but not with today kernel , must be something else
09:47<cahoot>I suppose dmesg would tell when you load the module in question
09:48<fxiny>cahoot: i'm not installing that kernel again , i replaced my backups
09:48<cahoot>fxiny: speaker-test doesn't complain?
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09:48<fxiny>cahoot: nothing was working , not even cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
09:49<cahoot>well the point seems moot
09:50<fxiny>i have opened this linux-image-2.6.26-2-vserver-686_2.6.26-15_i386.deb and i can see the opl modules
09:50<fxiny>vserver and normal . both
09:50<cahoot>modules is one thing firmware another
09:50<fxiny>where i shold look then ?
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09:51<cahoot> /lib/firmware/yamaha
09:51<fxiny>cahoot: ls: cannot access /lib/firmware/yamaha: No such file or directory
09:51<cahoot>but obviously it's there since it all works
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09:52<fxiny>this running kernel
09:52<cahoot>and thats' 2.6.26?
09:52<fxiny>this is lenny
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09:53<fxiny>etch 2 lenny ugrade
09:54<fxiny>i've installed all upgrades (point release) and all previous lenny fix
09:54<fxiny>i'm keeping the kernell off and i have sound
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09:57<fxiny>i'm upgrading another box
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10:01<djc>im upgading mine.. sound is Intel HDA
10:01<fxiny>djc: i'm rebooting
10:01<djc>kernel is going from 2.26.2-1 to 2.26.2-2
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10:02<djc>25 what?
10:02<djc>im currently at 2.6.26-1
10:02<djc>and sopund works
10:02<Sh3ll>As i read correctly, their are alot of problems with the nieuwe kernel?
10:02<fxiny>djc: 15 . sorry : linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-15_i386.deb
10:02<djc>oh.. right
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10:03<fxiny>Sh3ll: wait a minut : coulb be just my old box .
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10:03<Sh3ll>fxiny: I saw more people having trouble with their videocards
10:04<fxiny>my other box plays fine
10:04<Sh3ll>Ah ok:)
10:04<fxiny>Sh3ll: i'm not complaining
10:04<Sh3ll>I'm running ubuntu so :)
10:04<djc>ok I suppose I shall reboot.
10:04<fxiny>your problem . i'm happy with debian
10:05<djc>itlooks like it left the old kernel.. so if theres a problem with the new i can still select it at grub
10:05<fxiny>djc: wt4x !
10:05<Sh3ll>fxiny: I like debian too (ubuntu is based on it after all). if i was against debian i wouldn't be here lol
10:05<fxiny>djc: is a new kernel !
10:06<djc>fxiny, ?
10:06<fxiny>Sh3ll: i do not like untu
10:06<Sh3ll>fxiny: Why not, if i may ask? I think we should talk in #debian-offtopic lol
10:06<fxiny>djc: yes 2.6.26-2
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10:07<djc>fxiny, what about it?
10:07<fxiny>djc: lemme install it here
10:07<kurumin>alguem sabe portugues?
10:07<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
10:08<fxiny>i smell a lame bug hiding in my brain
10:08<kurumin>ok very much
10:08<fxiny>Sh3ll: not coming in #debian-offtopic . not in a hundred years
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10:08<Sh3ll>fxiny: :)
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10:10<fxiny>Sh3ll: i am a peaceful person , sometimes confused but always peaceful . if someone attack me i just mark and move over
10:10<Sh3ll>fxiny: I'm not planning to attack you lol, I'm just wondering why you dont like ubuntu :-), thats all.
10:10<fxiny>Sh3ll: and i am not interested in ubuntu
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10:11<djc>shutdown -r now
10:11<fxiny>Sh3ll: because if i get money in my life , and i do not care about money , i will certainly donate to the project , and this is all i have to say . pleas don't ask me more .
10:12<fxiny>just let me have a nice debian user life
10:12<Sh3ll>Ofcourse :)
10:13<djc>Ok now that just totally rocks
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10:14<djc>1. sound does still work
10:14<djc>2. mpd restarts where it was playing upn reboot after a shutdown
10:14<djc>thats the part that rocks
10:14<djc>not only the same track, but the same place in the track
10:15<ml>djc: congrats :)
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10:16<djc>I didnt expect that
10:16<djc>but its neat
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10:17<fxiny>djc: xmms2 here . i used mpd in etch cause 2.6.24 refused to play xmms2 . now i'm instaling 2.6.26-2 and *booting* it instead of 2.6.26-1
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10:18<djc>well.. i started playing with mpd becuase it can be controlled both my script and by gui
10:19<djc>and closing the guid doesnt stop it from playing
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10:19<djc>i'm partway thrugh a set of scripts that will download tracks from, id3 them using musicbrainz, then add them to mpd playlist
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10:21<fxiny>Sh3ll: is all about opinions . seen ? somebody thinks *untu* is good for some user , i think is not good at all for users but good for some developpers , nothing wrong with them . being a user i run debian not ubuntu , and i am f* proud of it .
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10:24<ml>I prefer moc :)
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10:25<murray>auguri a tutti!!!
10:25<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:26<djc>Silly rabbit, disconnecting from IRC when you reboot is for kids
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10:26<djc>Or something like that
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10:27<benjaminl>hi, I installed lenny on a laptop with via graphic card - the screen resolution is huge. How can lower it?
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10:28<djc>benjamin you mean during the installation? or once its installed?
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10:28<benjaminl>once installed, gdm is smeared all over
10:28<djc>just gdm? or login sessions too?
10:28<benjaminl>and there is no lower pannel after login
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10:28<benjaminl>djc, everything
10:28<djc>using gnome?
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10:28<djc>System -> preferences -> screen resolution
10:29<djc>for login window
10:29<benjaminl>djc, not working
10:29<djc>why not working?
10:29<benjaminl>no idea, it's grayed out. may be the reason is broken via support ?
10:29<djc>which vidcard do you have?
10:30<benjaminl>djc, like I said via
10:30<djc>There are more than one via videocard
10:30<benjaminl>just a moment i will look at lspci
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10:31<djc>also which X-server are you using?
10:31<benjaminl> VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900
10:31<benjaminl>djc, the default with lenny
10:31<benjaminl>for xserver
10:31<McBonZ>maybe you can change it in the X11.conf
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10:32<benjaminl>McBonZ, I saw some where it is redundant - not used anymore
10:32<djc>the 'server' part of Xorg includes a few dozen different binaries.. each one is for a specific model of videocard.. there are also generic SVGA and Vesa ones
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10:32<djc>thats what I meant by 'which one'
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10:32<benjaminl>djc, how do i find out ?
10:32<djc>lemme see
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10:33<ml>maybe do aptitude search xorg or xserver
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10:33<djc>that shows all the ones installed
10:33<djc>just found that
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10:34<RaZa>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mail'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
10:34<RaZa>Hi guys... I appear to have set the privileges wrong for this user in mySql (as roiot accesses fine), could anybody refresh my dodgey memory and give me the command(s) to give this user all privileges from the localhost?
10:34<djc>jeez.. not even Xorg.conf us helpfull
10:34<djc>"Configured video device" sheesh
10:35<djc>RaZa, try without the @localhost part
10:35<benjaminl>djc, yes, it used to be that u could dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then choose the resolution. but it is not the way anymore
10:35<RaZa>i dont put localhost after the -u just mail, however i did put it on the configuration line (i think)
10:36<RaZa>god my memory is buggered :p
10:36<djc>RaZa, ah ok.. thats shoots my load then.. ive not used mysql in a whil
10:36<RaZa>that makes 2 of us :(
10:36<RaZa>perhaps putting a no host in the config might work though, bah worth i ry i guess
10:37<adema>hello everyone
10:37<adema>i have some trouble reinstallling debian on my desktop computer
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10:37<adema>i just burn an iso of debian/squeeze
10:37<adema>and when it comes to the automatic dhcp configuration it fails
10:38<adema>well, it first says that it worked then i get i red screen telling a the network configuration stem has fail
10:38<RaZa>set the ip settings manually sounds like the easiest way to fix that m8
10:38<adema>RaZa, i tried
10:38<RaZa>oh dear, then it sounds like a driver issue
10:38<ml>adema: do you have more than one nic?
10:38<adema>nic ?
10:38<djc>adema, does your network use dhcp or static ips?
10:39<RaZa>network interface card
10:39<adema>no just one
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10:39<RaZa>does youre networking work under lenny or etch?
10:39<djc>benjaminl, apparently, x server selection is supposed to be completely automatic as of the xorg version in lenny
10:39<adema>well, my previous installation was an old lenny(back when it was testing) never backed up, with mess every where
10:40<adema>but network worked fine with a 2.6.24kernel
10:40<benjaminl>djc, yes but what am i supposed to do when automatic is too much ?
10:40<adema>now with squeeze you're telling that maybe, there is a driver problem oO
10:40<djc>benjaminl, im at a bit of a loss how to easily see which one its picking
10:40<RaZa>the developers tend to change the networking drivers compiled in the kernel with each version... and often it kicks up sand :p, you can reconfigure the kernal or drop to mstable (two easy options)
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10:40<djc>you could shutdown X (stop gdm), then from text console startx manually and save its debug output
10:41<mjt>it's in /var/log/Xorg.$DISPLAY.log
10:41<djc>adema, what type of nic do you have?
10:41<djc>mjt, hey thats handy
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10:41<adema>realtek ethernet
10:41<djc>adema, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:41<adema>i donnu more right now
10:41<mjt>RaZa: which network drivers "they" changed recently?
10:41<adema>now, mb integrated
10:42<benjaminl>djc, I could... should I do it ?
10:42<djc>well, but its pci, as oppsed to usb or something
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10:42<adema>then it's pci :p
10:42<djc>mb integrated is the same as pci ;)
10:42<RaZa>i don't know, i haven;t followe3d debian for years, im only on here because i was looking for anyone with mysql knowledge
10:42<djc>well.. usually
10:42<djc>but id be surprised to see an agp-integrated nic chipset
10:42<RaZa>as for your nic, lshw should throw up the details for you
10:42<RaZa>and/or lspci
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10:43<adema>you want to me to reboot on the working old lenny ?
10:43<mjt>RaZa: so why do you throw statements about something you don't know?
10:43<adema>and tell you about my nic ?
10:43<djc>er, benjaminl, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:43<djc>got my nicks mixed up who needed what
10:43<djc>benjaminl, it should give you an idea which X driver its picking
10:44<RaZa>mjt: i didnt say i don't know. I know they have changed the nic drivers, i just dont know which ones
10:44<mjt>that's a umm.. bullshit, if you ask me.
10:44<djc>benjaminl, if you cant find it, pastebin the whole thing and I'll look at it
10:44<benjaminl>djc, brb i must restart
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10:44<RaZa>well, ur choice whether or not u listen, i just offer the advice o_-
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10:45<adema>well if a new kernel can't handle old hardware
10:45<adema>it's a bit sad :/
10:45<mjt>but which hardware it is, anyway?
10:45<djc>adema, it should be able to
10:45<RaZa>adema: it can, it just cant by default
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10:46<djc>stupid question - are you sure the net cable is fully plugged in?
10:46<djc>and got link?
10:46<adema>is there a way to view some log ?
10:46<mjt>which nic it is? Is it realtek?
10:46<djc>he said it was realtek, yes
10:46<adema>i mean i'm stuck on the step "network configuration"
10:46<adema>mjt, it's a realtek ethernet yes
10:46<mjt>realtek stuff didn't change in quite some years
10:46<adema>but i forgot which model exactly
10:47<djc>adema, i knw its seems dumb, but have you checked to be sure the cable is properly plugged and got link?
10:47<mjt>lspci | grep -v ether
10:47<ml>adema: 10:44 < djc> stupid question - are you sure the net cable is fully plugged in?
10:47<mjt>lspci | grep -i ether
10:47<ml>10:44 < djc> and got link?
10:47<mjt>ml: he asked for log location to look ;)
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10:47<djc>mjt, he may have a hard time doing that if its not installed.. is there a shell on at vty at the networking step?
10:47<cahoot>mjt: gigabit realtek?
10:48<adema>djc, first thing i did^^
10:48<djc>adema, ok, just checking
10:48<djc>would be silly to spend hours troubleshooting nic driver and find its the cable
10:48<mjt>oh, it's during install....
10:48<djc>maybe check bios IRQ assignments? maybe the pci cards are fighing over them
10:49<djc>i know whats uncomming with pci.. but.. not impossible
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10:49<benjaminl>djc, i pasted my log here
10:49<djc>benjaminl, k
10:50<mjt>well, without some access to console it's very difficult to say what's wrong
10:50<adema>there is a small shell in tty2
10:50<benjaminl>I'll be happy if you can tell me how to forec low resolution
10:50<adema>do you know where the installation log are located ?
10:50<djc>(II) OPENCHROME: Driver for VIA Chrome chipsets: CLE266, KM400/KN400,
10:50<djc>low resolution?
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10:51<mjt>adema: in that "small" shell, you can type 'dmesg'
10:51<adema>i read the syslog
10:51<adema>it's strange
10:51<benjaminl>djc, yes, my problem is that I can see only ~0.25 of my screen
10:51<mjt>or syslog
10:51<adema>the dhclient worked fine
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10:51<adema>the syslog tells me that i gat an ip
10:51<djc>hrm.. i was thinking if everything was 'big' it was using too low a resolution
10:51<adema>but after i get a warning
10:51<djc>you want to make the screen image smaller, you want to get more dots in the same space
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10:52<djc>im wondering if maybe the monitor autorange is confused
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10:52<djc>you got a decent modern monitor on there?
10:52<benjaminl>it's the laptop monitor
10:52<adema>WARNING **: Configuring 'netcfg' failed with error code 139
10:52<djc>one sec
10:53<benjaminl>it's wide screen
10:53<djc>I see something
10:53<djc>pastebin your Xorg.conf
10:53<benjaminl>benjamin, me ?
10:53<djc>you're the only one with an X problem
10:54<djc>well.. in the channel, anyway
10:55<adema>it appears that i just waste a blank cd xD
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10:55<djc>one sec
10:56<adema>djc, the url i pasted is a known bug apparently
10:56<sun>hi i want to speed up my boot time. i found that rcS.d starts a lot of services, so i was going to move them to rc2.d, and then boot up single user... will this work?
10:56<adema>but the url talk for amd64, but the bug is on i386 too
10:57<djc>benjaminl, look at line 2077-2080 of your log
10:57<sun>also what is a good live-cd for recovery in case it gets messed up?
10:57<djc>its having a problem with the 'virtual size'
10:57<djc>and while the screen is in fact 640x480
10:57<djc>its using 1920x1200 as the virtual size
10:58<djc>my x log doesnt have anything about virtual size.. so.. im not sure
10:58<djc>I will note, my xorg.conf has a section yours doesnt
10:58<benjaminl>what about trying to force loading vesa ?
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10:59<Signius>I am trying to get debian lenny to display at 1280x1024 but when ever i make a change to xorg.conf or try and install the ati-readeon drivers it fails to startx
11:00<benjaminl>djc, brb again
11:00<Signius>I dont know what they change since the last version but alot of people are having issues with correct screen resolutions getting detected
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11:00<Signius>the highest its giving by default is 1280x800
11:00<Signius>but none of these resolutions are visible in the xorg.conf
11:01<adema>djc, "I can confirm that unpacking libnss-* 2.9 udebs manually in the booted installer removes the segfault. "
11:01<adema>how can i do that ?
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11:04<fxiny>grummund bremner cahoot djc : thanx for your help . it works now
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11:05<fxiny>both vservers and normal kernel :)
11:05<adema>plz :o
11:06<adema>need some help :s
11:06<adema>it's what the guy said^^
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11:07<mjt>adema: are you trying to install the latest unstable?
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11:07<mjt>in that case that bug is irrelevant
11:07<adema>but they say that all those bugs are the same
11:08<mjt>2.9 is the C library version. Lenny has 2.7, and 2.9 is very different.
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11:08<adema>i'm trying to install squeeze
11:08<adema>not lenny
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11:08<mjt>so it IS latest unstable after all
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11:09<adema>squeeze is not the testing oO ?
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11:09<bzed>adema: you could use a lenny installer to install it, it's probably more bug free thatn the daily build
11:09<bzed>adema: start it in export mode, then you should be able to install squeeze with it
11:09<adema>bzed, right, but i burn my last cd for squeeze
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11:09<adema>and we are sunday
11:09<adema>i can't go buy new cd^^
11:09<djc>anyone else see any burp in accesibility of any parts of the net?
11:09<bzed>adema: do you have an usb stick?
11:10<adema>no :)
11:10<fxiny>djc: where ?
11:10<guillaume_>is it normal under unstable that my usb devices (dvd, hdd) are not mounted automaticaly on the desktop ?
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11:10<mjt>adema: out of curiocity: but *why* are you trying to install squeeze to start with?
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11:10<djc>if no one else saw a blip, then what I saw was probably just some local prob
11:10<Signius>Has anyone got a working debian lenny xorg.conf i could try ?
11:11<adema>mjt, no real reason, i always use debian testing in my entire life cause stable have a lack of updates and the few times i use sid it didn't work at all
11:11<mjt>Signius: no xorg.conf here ;)
11:11<adema>testing is a good compromise
11:11<cahoot>lots of people have - but isn't it all about the gfx card?
11:11<Nemoder>Signius: try removing it, lenny's xorg should autodetect everything
11:12<adema>so mjt you know how to unpack the package like the guy says in his message ?
11:12<Signius>Nemoder yeah i have got it back to default but it auto detects odd resolutions like 1280x800
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11:12<djc>did benjaminl get his X working?
11:12<fxiny>djc: a blip ? could it be Shark Aussy three slaps ? :P
11:12<RaZa>Signius: most hardware is auto-detected, only if you have things like high end new hardware (such as a 3/4870 will the default config not work)
11:12<adema>djc, yes, he thanks you
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11:12<Signius>No this is old ATI 9200pro
11:12<adb>Signius: it's a laptop ? if so it's normal, cause ratio of his display
11:12<Signius>no normal
11:12<mjt>adema: not really. Last time i installed debian was some 6+ years ago, it was 2.0 "potato" version. Never installed it since.
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11:13<djc>adema, what was his solution?
11:13<Signius>all old hard hardware and all previous versions of debian detected everything fine
11:13<guillaume_>Signius: you should try xrandr to change the setting
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11:13<Signius>guillaume_ done that and as soon as you change anything in xorg.conf it fails to start
11:13<adema>hum djc my mistakes, another guy thank you
11:13<mjt>adema: each time i need new machine i use debootstrap.
11:13<fxiny>Signius: old Ati RageII Pro here , wors fine
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11:13<RaZa>signius, have you installed the ati proprietory display drivers? They aren't bad these days
11:13<adema>but it wasn't benjamin
11:14<adema>well that doesn't help me ...
11:14<mjt>. o O { they arent bad... }
11:14<Signius>i have installed the ati drivers from the debian repos and that has screwed things up also
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11:14<RaZa>run aptitude purge on them then, does it work with standard vga config?
11:15<Signius>yeah it works on fist install but with low and weird resolutions
11:15<adema>"I can confirm that unpacking libnss-* 2.9 udebs manually in the booted installer removes the segfault." <- if anyone knows how to do that, PLEASE, tell me :o
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11:15<RaZa>signius, try forcing resolution and refresh rates then, there are many guides available on how to do this, :)
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11:15<fxiny>Signius: resolution problems ? have you checked
11:16<Signius>yeah i have read loads of forums with people all having these same issues with lenny and none of the have worked so far
11:16<Signius>ok not read that one will have a read now
11:16<fxiny>that will do
11:16<marcot>Hello, how can I debug a ad-hoc wireless connection? My connection with my wife's laptop works sometimes, and sometimes don't. The lowest level tool I'm using is ping. When it's pinging, I can configure all the rest, but when it's not what can I do?
11:17<Signius>ok removed apt-get remove fglrx-amdcccle fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-kernel-src fglrx-source mesa-utils and set xorg back to default and X will start in odd resolutions again
11:17<RaZa>gl hf
11:17<marcot>I'm using iwlagn in my laptop, and in hers, ndiswrapper with bcmwl5. I tried b43 in hers to, but I could not make it work. With ndiswrapper it works sometimes, and sometimes don't.
11:17<marcot>Is there a tool I could use to inspect what's happening?
11:17<djc>I've never considered ad-hoc wifi to be worth a shit.. router/AP's are cheap, get one
11:17<mjt>Signius: reboot it too
11:18<mjt>Signius: fglrx does some strange things with the card, the only way to reset it back is to reboot
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11:18<mjt>Signius: at least radeon and radeonhd are unable to fix it
11:18<Signius>ok thanks i also just done an apt-get update and there is a coupel of xorg updates also
11:18<Signius>ok will do the updates and give it a reboot and then have another look
11:19<mjt>and try radeon and radeonhd drivers as well as vesa
11:19<fxiny>i'd use aptitude
11:19<gravity>"a couple". heh
11:19<fxiny>Signius: aptitude is more advanced
11:19<ml>yes use aptitude
11:19<mjt>djc: router/ap is just one more device which is really not necessary when one only have 2 PCs to connect.
11:19<Signius>ok the help is appreciated i been getting knowhere for the last few hours so have had to seek help
11:20<notme>marcot, the question is not so much if your machine is connecting, but is her machine offering a connection. So first of all check out her wireless and have you something else that can connect to her machine in "ad-hoc" mode, this is about the only test you really can do, iwconfig may be of help to you
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11:20<notme>marcot, ping is ping and needs underlying network to connect :)
11:20<Signius>I am confused how is aptitude more advanced ? its just an ncurses front end for apt isnt it
11:20<marcot>notme: I'll try to check with another notebook here.
11:21<marcot>notme: try to connect it with mine, and then with hers.
11:21<mjt>Signius: exactly
11:21<djc>mjt, who on earth has two pc's but no internet connection (thus making an AP/router appropriate anyway)
11:21<marcot>notme: What I'm missing is something that can tell me more information of what's happening when I'm not pinging.
11:21<mjt>Signius: it just that some people are used to some tools
11:21<fxiny>i don't use aptitude ncurses mode , just cli
11:21<ml>!tell Signius -about aptitude
11:21<Signius><fxiny> Signius: aptitude is more advanced
11:21<fxiny>Signius: yes , lenny aptitude
11:22<Signius>I am fine using the command line none of my servers have a gui so hence why i am lost with this xorg stuff
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11:22<djc>you could also see if one of the machines will work in 'master' mode, and thus appear as an AP to the other
11:22<ml>Signius: read dpkg message
11:22<djc>not all pc nics are capable of doing that
11:22<fxiny>Signius: is easy , just read the wiki , edit your xorg.conf
11:22<gravity>Signius: Actually, it's not just an ncurses frontend. It's got its own dependency resolver.
11:22<Signius>yeah reading the link i just got
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11:23<Signius>fxiny it isnt a matter of not knowing how to edit xorg.conf it is when you do it completely breaks and xserver cannot start
11:23<notme>marcot, you could consider tcpdump -i wlanX and such like ethtool is also your friend, never used it on a wireless todate
11:23<Signius>ok lets see what a reboot does after the update and clean up
11:24<marcot>notme: yes, but when it's not pinging I assume any package is coming back. But I can try it.
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11:24<notme>marcot, you could consider dumping on both sides to see what the ping says
11:25<notme>marcot, it is for this reason that I do wired networks unless I really have to ;-) and I have ddwrt up to date and working in work and home ;-)
11:25<notme>and don't have confidence in wireless :)
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11:25<fxiny>Signius: gft e xrandr
11:25<marcot>notme: I don't like wireless too. But here it's the best solution.
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11:26<mjt>wireless is slow for a LAN.
11:26<fxiny>Signius: run gft and edit your modeline , the wiki explains how
11:26<djc>notme, heh.. my upstream link is a point-to-point wireless.. ddwrt at my end in client mode, other end is stock dlink ap
11:26<djc>no choice, unless I want to pay $toomuch for another net hookup
11:26*mjt has GigE in his appartments... did it the hard way, punching holes in concrete....
11:27<djc>oh directional antennas at both ends, too
11:27<notme>marcot, I regret to have to inform you I am now about to leave the building for some hours, back in a few hours if that you are still stuck
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11:27<fxiny>Signius: xrandr -q
11:27<djc>not ddwrt
11:28<djc>marcot, seriously, there are a couple USB-powered mini wifi access points offered.. find one, plug it in your laptop
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11:28<djc>then let the other laptop connect to it
11:29<djc>ad-hoc mode is major shite
11:29<marcot>notme: thanks.
11:30<marcot>djc: I know this is an option, but that's not what I got now.
11:30<djc>you'll save the money you spend on headache pills
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11:30<djc>you absolutely urgently need to connect these two laptops right now, and cant just plug an eth cable in?
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11:40<adema>i located the udeb files
11:40<benjaminl>i installed my debian in german, and I want to be able to login in english, how to i do it ?
11:40<adema>now does anyone know how to unpack them ?
11:40<fxiny>Sh3ll: i'm afraid debian works fine , my sounds is perfect , add this to your recorsds ;)
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11:42<fxiny>adema: unpacking a deb ? is an ar file
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11:43<fxiny>adema: forgot , i misread
11:43<adema>"I can confirm that unpacking libnss-* 2.9 udebs manually in the booted installer
11:43<adema>removes the segfault.
11:44<adema>i wany to do this
11:44<adema>but i don't have a clue how to do^^
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11:44<McBonZ>benjaminl , you can set the language locales in the bashrc of the specified user.
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11:45<Signius>ok so if i do "xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1280x1024 --rate 60" then do xrandr to display available resolutions the 1280x1024 should be available shoudn't it ?
11:46<mjt>adema: it's dpkg -i $deb_file. The problem (to me) is that I don't know if it will be unpacked to the right place.
11:46<Signius>ah it might need to be VGA-0
11:46<mjt>adema: i don't remember how d-i works, it may have the stuff somewhere in a subdirectory, not in actual root.
11:47<adema>mjt, dpkg is not available
11:47<adema>i tried it of course
11:47<Signius>ok so it's "xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x1024 --rate 60" but when i do that it says can't find mode
11:48<Signius>as if its only searching what is already available and not letting you force it to use that
11:48<fxiny>Signius: run xrandr -q
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11:48<fxiny>Signius: then pick what is avaiable
11:49<fxiny>Signius: then run like : gtf 1024 768 85
11:49<Signius>ok but none of the resolutions that are available are what i want they are all low and wrong resolutions
11:49<fxiny>and edit your xorg.conf like the wiki explains
11:50<Signius>none of them resolutions that xrandr -q lists are even in xorg.conf so i am not confinced this new way of doing things even uses the xorg.conf file
11:50<Signius>tho i could well be wrong on that
11:50<Signius>let me pastebin my xorg.conf
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11:52<fxiny>Signius: that is empty , lemme paste an example
11:53<adema>i did it!
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11:54<Signius>fxiny yes it is empty that is why i dont understand where xrandr -q is getting the resolution options its listing from
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11:56<Sh3ll>fxiny: Like i've said. I really dont have anything against debian.
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11:56<Signius>adema i don't know what you done but "Well done !!" anyways :)
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11:58<adema>well, i get over a bug in the debian squeeze installer
11:58<adema>by unpackacking manually some fucking udeb files
11:58<fxiny>Signius: this is from xrandr -q --> 1152x864 75.0 , you run : gtf 1152 864 75 and edit your xrog.conf
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11:59<fxiny>Sh3ll: i'm in a good mood , sound is ok :)
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12:02<Signius>so the output from gtp goes in the Monitor section correct ?
12:02<fxiny>Signius: yes , mine is just an example
12:03<Signius>ok i will go through with you now but this is exactly what i did last night and it was borked
12:03<Signius>ok let me edit it and try again
12:03<fxiny>Signius: is easy : xrandr -q , pick and feed it to gft , look at my example
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12:05<fxiny>Signius: 1152 864 75 is ----> 1152x864_75.00
12:05<omg_onoez>could someone give me some hint on truecrypt compiling
12:05<Signius>yes i understand the theory but in practice on this box it isnt working. But i am chaning it now so bare with me
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12:05<omg_onoez>i'm running Lenny
12:06<fxiny>Signius: can you paste your xrandr -q ?
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12:09<stuckey_>Hello fxiny
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12:09<Signius>2 secs i am having to swap between screens sorry
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12:11<fxiny>stuckey: hi
12:11<stuckey>There's new nvidia drivers in Sid...
12:11<stuckey>After I just installed drivers two days ago
12:11<Signius>ok new xorg.conf
12:12<Signius>but qrandr -q is the same with
12:13<cahoot>stuckey: life on the edge
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12:13<Signius>so xorg.conf is being ignored
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12:13<fxiny>Signius: EndSubSection missing ?
12:13<cahoot>the logs implies that?
12:13<adema>hey guys
12:13<adema>i need some help, but it's easier than before^^
12:14<adema>i just installed pulseaudio on my laptop
12:14<adema>and i can't play sound via pulse on my laptop
12:14<adema>i can just forward the stream on the network to another computer
12:14<cahoot>what drives you to pulseaudio?
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12:14<adema>but i stull can play sound with alsa
12:15<adema>cahoot, i want to switch with my laptop and my desktop computer for playing sound
12:15<adema>pulseaudio is perfect for that
12:15<fxiny>Signius: and : xrandr -q doesn't show 1280x1024_60.00
12:15<cahoot>noticed too late
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12:16<fxiny>Signius: you can run gtf 1280x800 60
12:16<cahoot>I noticed the reason too late
12:16<Signius>ok edited the EndSubSection but same results
12:16<fxiny>not 1280 1024
12:16<adema>does anyone can help me ?
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12:17<en3rgy>cheers guys.. could someone tell me what is a scan root? i have some idiots that they are asking me for scan root..
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12:17<cahoot>Signius: skip the intervening x
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12:17<fxiny>Signius: yes my bad : gtf 1280 1024 60
12:18<fxiny>Signius: but you can run only : gtf 1280 800 60
12:18<Signius>fxiny correct
12:19<fxiny>Signius: is it : Modeline "1280x800_60.00" 83.46 1280 1344 1480 1680 800 801 804 828 -HSync +Vsync ?
12:19<Signius>no it is Modeline "1280x1024_60.00" 108.88 1280 1360 1496 1712 1024 1025 1028 1060
12:20<Signius>han gon what have i done here
12:20<Signius>Modeline "1280x800_60.00" 83.46 1280 1344 1480 1680 800 801 804 828 -HSync +Vsync
12:20<fxiny>Signius: i'm reading your xrandr -q
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12:25<Signius>fxiny use that for my xorg.conf
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12:25<fxiny>yes try it
12:25<fxiny>Signius: mind : is a section only
12:26<Signius>ok just them 2 sections
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12:26<fxiny>Signius: is DefaultDepth 24 ok for you ?
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12:27<Signius>well would prefer 32bit but i was just trying to get it working for now
12:27<fxiny>use your own
12:28<xan>Hi, anyone could help me: I run apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get get me an error and now I can't do apt-get dist-upgrade -f I get "Error de busage lists.... o%"
12:28<fxiny>xan: lenny ?
12:28<xan>fxiny: prelenny: $ uname -a
12:28<xan>Linux caixa 2.6.26-1-ixp4xx #1 Tue Dec 16 06:16:11 UTC 2008 armv5tel GNU/Linux
12:29<fxiny>new 2.6 kernel avaiable
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12:30<cahoot>xan: not meaning apt-get install -f by chance?
12:30<xan>I install testing in my ARMel box
12:31<Supaplex>wahou. 7 new specimins for my collection. cut -f 1 '-d ' < clamscan-of-sdf1-100gb-sata-laptop-drive.transcript.infected-files.sha256sums | sort | uniq | wc -l
12:31<xan>cahoot: yes. I will output the result (my armel box is too slow)
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12:31<fxiny>Supaplex: put the specimen on the turntrable :)
12:32<xan>cahoot, fxiny: apt-get install -f
12:32<xan>Error de busage lists... 0%
12:32<fxiny>xan: i prefere aptitude
12:32<fxiny>i don't use apt-get anymore
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12:33<xan>fxiny: I have not aptitude. I removed it. And now I can't install it.
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12:33<xan>and dpkg --configure -a
12:33<xan>dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
12:33<xan> unable to create `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i': Read-only file system
12:33<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, xan
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12:34<user01>german in here?
12:34<amphi>xan: is it mounted ro?
12:34<fxiny>Signius: two screen sessions
12:34<amphi>!tell user01 -about de
12:34<xan>amphi: not, I know. How can I test it?
12:34<Signius>grhhh ny bad
12:35<amphi>xan: mount with no args would tell you
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12:35<McBonZ>user01, here
12:35<xan>amphi: great: mount
12:35<amphi>xan: or cat /proc/mounts
12:35<xan>bash: mount: command not found
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12:36<amphi>/bin/mount works?
12:37<amphi>xan: /dev/sda5 /var ext3 ro,noatime,errors=continue,commit=30,data=ordered 0 0
12:37<amphi>xan: mount /var -o remount,rw
12:38<amphi>also /var/log appears to be mounted ro, as is /
12:38<xan>amphi: mount /var -o remount,rw
12:38<xan>bash: mount: command not found
12:38<fxiny>Signius: looks ok . does it work ? and . is your Depht 24 or 32 ?
12:38<amphi>xan: use the full bloody path
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12:38<xan>amphi: what?
12:39<amphi>xan: /bin/mount doesn't work?
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12:39*amphi wonders why all these partitions are mounted ro
12:39<xan>amphi: ok. It could be that the filesystem has an error and the kernel mounts it as ro?
12:39<Signius>that is working but i already had 1280x800 so i am not sure where your going with this
12:39<amphi>xan: it looks as though /bin is not in your $PATH
12:40<Signius>it is on 24bit depth at the moment
12:40<xan>amphi: /bin/mount /var -o remount,rw
12:40<xan>bash: /bin/mount: Error d’Entrada/Sortida
12:40<xan>"Error d'Entrad/Sortida" = Input/Output error
12:40<amphi>xan: could be - but there's not much point trying to run dpkg --configure -a with all these partitions mounted ro
12:40<xan>I set export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 but it does not hear me.
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12:41<amphi>xan: that does not sound good - is the disk failing?
12:41<xan>I don't know. Probably?
12:41<fxiny>Signius: for all i can see from your xrandr -q , your hardware supports 1280x800 60 , you can change Depth
12:41<xan>How can I test it?
12:42<amphi>xan: boot from a cd or usb stick and run smartctl tests on the drive, perhaps
12:42<xan>well, it's an slug ( but I could test harddisk with my laptop
12:43<Signius>fxiny which is complete rubbish the card wil do 1600x1200
12:43<xan>amphi: thanks.
12:43<xan>I poweroff and test hardisdk
12:43<stuckey>I've installed nvidia drivers several times before but I'm never really quite sure if I'm doing it right. I've never "upgrade" them either... so, could someone tell me (just basically) what I have to do to upgrade my drivers. I'm using Lenny but I'll have to get the drivers out of Sid.
12:43<fxiny>Signius: ok . but now you can start from here , at least you are running x
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12:44<Signius>fxiny However debian lenny is detecting the settings it hase changes from sarge and its broken
12:45<Signius>fxiny LOL i had got x back 1 1/2hrs ago
12:45<fxiny>Signius: i'm using a very old box . i started with woody , changed screen only on sarge , i run etch on it and lenny know .
12:45<Signius>[16:17] <Signius> ok removed apt-get remove fglrx-amdcccle fglrx-atieventsd fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-glx fglrx-kernel-src fglrx-source mesa-utils and set xorg back to default and X will start in odd resolutions again
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12:45<fxiny>Signius: back 2 hours ago ? i though you could not run x !
12:46<Signius>fxiny yeah this test box i got lenny on is not a modern box its only a Athlon 2800 with 3GB ram and the ATI 9200 pro card
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12:46<Signius>fxiny that was when i first came into the room i got X back but with the borked resolutions
12:46<Signius>fxiny i think you missed a post sorry
12:47<fxiny>Signius: the way i know for fixing resolution is this : xrandr -q , gtf and manual editiong
12:47<fxiny>Signius: and now you know it :)
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12:47<Signius>fxiny which is what is borked and refuses to work
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12:48<fxiny>Signius: is not refusing to work : is not detecting it
12:48<fxiny>it works at the resolution
12:48<Signius>fxiny which not detecting it means broken in my book
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12:49<Signius>fxiny I read a post somewhere last night about forcing lenny to xorg.conf whish suggest that lenny is doing it different to what it used and doesnt use xorg.conf
12:49<fxiny>Signius: lenny cannot detect my scren as well . but i dit my editing and it works fine . same as in etch sarge and woody
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12:51<Signius>fxiny I dont expect it to detect my screen totally correctly its running through a 8 porn compaw KVM but it should be able to detect this particular graphics card correctly
12:51<fxiny>i cannot complain , my box is old , i guess users with new hardware are happy wit lenny autodetecting
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12:52<fxiny>Signius: try with a different resolution , same "stanza syntax"
12:52<Signius>fxiny This is an old box also there is no new modern hardware in it at all
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12:53<Signius>fxiny I am going to have to leave it for a while now i got to go see my parents.......your help is appreciated though and shame we had some crossed wires :)
12:54<fxiny>Signius: no probs , be happy
12:54<Signius>fxiny Thanks again
12:54<fxiny>Signius: you are welcome
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12:56<stuckey>Could anyone help me update nvidia drivers? I've done it before but I'm just not totally sure what I should do...
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13:00<adb>!tell stuckey about nvidia
13:01<stuckey>adb: I have to isntall the driers out of sid... and I already have older ones installed. So I just need to "upgrade"
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13:02<Supaplex>stuckey: upgrade past sid, or upgrade sid?
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13:04<stuckey>Supaplex: I'm using lenny but I have built my nvidia drivers out of sid
13:04<stuckey>but now I need to upgrade them and I'm not sure exactly how to do it...
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13:04<stuckey>So I just build-dep for nvidia-kernel-source, apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-source, and then install the deb? And repeat for the glx libraries?
13:05<adb>stuckey: please go to #nvidia (
13:06<stuckey>adb: that has nothing to do with debian nvidia packages.
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13:10<adb>using sid it's up to you to menage nvidia and co.
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13:12<stuckey>I'm trying to install nvidia drivers but am having some problems; I've posted the error output I get from the terminal here: Could someone please offer me some help?
13:13<stuckey>That was the error I got after running: "m-a a-i nvidia"
13:14<adb>Version 180.29-1+2.6.26-13lenny2 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64 already installed, skipping.
13:15<stuckey>yes I see that line
13:15<adb>so no any error man
13:15<stuckey>adb: False.
13:16<stuckey>The objective was to install version 180.44. Thus, this is an error.
13:16<adb>using sid it's up to you to menage nvidia and co.
13:16<stuckey>adb: Who says?
13:16<adb>me !
13:17<stuckey>You're not so helpful.
13:17<adb>sid is for power users
13:17<djc>Options: 1. Use lenny. Get support from community. 2. Use sid, be smart enough to solve your own problems.
13:18<stuckey>djc: I'd take option one, however, the community hasn't provided any nvidia drivers that support my card in Lenny.
13:18<djc>m-a installs nvidia-provided drivers, in lenny
13:18<stuckey>I thus feel the need to use the drivers in Sid.
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13:18<djc>Option 3. Dont use video cards from makers that keep the specifications proprietary thus preventing Free/Open drivers from being written
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13:19<Supaplex>I'd have to agree with djc on option 3.
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13:19<djc>When making my purchase choice for my current laptop, I specifically made a point of avoiding nvidia
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13:19<stuckey>Well look, I've got this card here.
13:20<adema>does anyone use pulseaudio here ?
13:20<stuckey>I wont' be buying any more nvidia cards...
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13:20<Supaplex>stuckey: at least you have 180. I had to use uupdate and work at hand rolling the packaging to get 169.09 in Etch.
13:20<Supaplex>!anyone use pulseaudio
13:20<dpkg>No, no one uses pulseaudio, not even the people who use it.
13:20<stuckey>Supaplex: Do you know how to install drivers into lenny from sid?
13:21<Supaplex>try a backport
13:21<stuckey>Supaplex: not available.
13:21<stuckey>Option 2 is the only one I have.
13:21<Supaplex>what version does sid have?
13:21<djc>the nvidia drivers installed by m-a arent 'in' lenny or sid, it uses the ones provided by nvidia itself
13:21<Supaplex>is there a significant difference for .44 vs .29?
13:21<stuckey>djc: they are in the sid repository.
13:21<stuckey>Supaplex: There may be.
13:22<Supaplex>then make your own backport
13:22<Supaplex>!tell stuckey -about backport
13:22<stuckey>Supaplex: Unfortunately I don't know how
13:22<djc>Im pretty certain m-a gets them from nvidia's site.. now, which *version* of the drivers it gets might be in a config file stored as part of the repo
13:22<Supaplex>stuckey: welcome to sid. "due dilligence" is the watchcry.
13:22<djc>which you might be able to modify
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13:23<Supaplex>if the backport isn't new enough, consider splicing in upstream source via uupdate
13:23<stuckey>no one knows how to do this...
13:24<Supaplex>read your backlog. I did it. I did my homework. You're not getting a ubuntu level guide to tell you how.
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13:24<stuckey>i'm not an expert, I'm just an end-user.
13:25<djc>sid is for experts. its non-released software
13:25*fxiny is printing "splicing in upstream source via uupdate" on a nerdish t-shirt
13:25<Supaplex>sell the card and buy something else
13:25<Supaplex>there's plenty of options
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13:25<Supaplex>fxiny: you owe me one of them if you do. :p
13:25<djc>I consider myself pretty much a freaking linux guru. I've been using it since before Slackware had version numbers.
13:25<djc>And *IM* using lenny
13:26<djc>But, if for some reason I was stuck with an nvidia card and had no choice, I could probably could figure out what to do to make it work
13:26<Supaplex>stuckey: tbh, I don't recall most of what I did. I'd have to ... read up on it. sorry if I don't recall more at present. =)
13:26<fxiny>i won't go to debconf but hell , such a t-shirt , would make the video team pretty busy zooming on it :P
13:26<Supaplex>fxiny: don't forget attribution. :D
13:26<djc>theres a debian meatspace event?
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13:27<fxiny>Supaplex: hahahah
13:27<djc>I suppose its nowhere near me
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13:29<fxiny>Supaplex: not printed but looks nice : hand made one :)
13:29<djc>ok I guess slackware did have versions
13:30<djc>but ithat info wasnt made prominent
13:30*Supaplex wonders when his x10 kits will show up
13:31<djc>wow.. I can't quite figure out what I was likely to have been using.. My memory that far back is hazy
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13:31<djc>It could have been slackware 2.something
13:31<stuckey>Okay so I build nvidia-kernel-source from sid, and then did "m-a a-i nvidia" but it failed.
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13:31<stuckey>It says "dh_clean: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory"
13:31<bighornram>when trying to print a pdf document I get too many failed attempts, i can print txt files. what could be wrong?
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13:32<djc>what app are you using to view/print the pdf?
13:32<djc>can you print other non-text? (eg a webpage or a jpeg?)
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13:33<bighornram>djc: document viewer
13:33<bighornram>maybe re-configure document viewer?
13:34<djc>can you print other non-text? (eg a webpage or a jpeg?)
13:34<fxiny>Supaplex: i bet you got it for free !
13:34<bighornram>I can print an email from icedove
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13:35<djc>is it a personal/private pdf or something off the net?
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13:36<djc>eg, can you give me a url to the same pdf? maybe something is wrong with it
13:36<bighornram>it's a tax form. fixed. I did a dpkg-reconfigure evince and now it works. :D
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13:36<Supaplex>fxiny: nay
13:36<djc>ok then
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13:39<stuckey>I'm about to give up on this and just use the nvidia installer.
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13:40<Ben90>can anyone help me?
13:41<stuckey>Ben90: Yes
13:41<stuckey>Maybe, what's your question?
13:41<Ben90>i want to make sound in zsnes work in alsa mode
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13:41<stuckey>What's zsnes?
13:41<Ben90>is it possible
13:41<Ben90>its an emulator
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13:41<stuckey>What version of Debian are you using?
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13:42<Ben90>version 5.00
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13:42<Xeleron>Can anyone help me too?
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13:43<stuckey>Ben90: I can't help you, "zsens" isn't in the repository.
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13:43<stuckey>Ben90: I can't help you, "zsnes", I mean.
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13:43<Ben90>can someone help me then?
13:43<Xeleron>Can you help me?
13:44<Ben90>with what?
13:45<Xeleron>I have a problem
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13:45<Ben90>what is the problem?
13:45<Supaplex>is it personal?
13:45<Xeleron>I want to host a Half Life 2 dedicated server under Debian 5.0 , i downloaded the files with the linux tool from valve
13:46<Xeleron>but now i cant use the files i've downloaded
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13:46<Xeleron>because the access is denied
13:46<Ben90>im not sure i don't work with servers
13:46<petern>you should have an hldsupdatetool.bin
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13:46<petern>well, chmod +x hlds...
13:47<petern>then you can execute it
13:47<Xeleron>i 've already done this
13:47<Ben90>do you know what zsnes is?
13:47<Xeleron>downloaded all the files
13:47<petern>there is only one file
13:47<stuckey>Hello, Could someone please help me install nvidia drivers?
13:48<Ben90>i can't
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13:49<seanius>are there any lenny users in here who want to be a guinnea pig for new compiz packages?
13:49<brian17>cat /proc/asound/version
13:49<brian17>ar_victor is offline Reply With Quote
13:49<ga_bash>n ever
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13:50<brian17>how do i figure out which version of alsa i am running
13:50<Ben90>not sure.
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13:51<Ben90>can someone help me please?
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13:52<xan>Hi, anyone could help me. I get this error when I run apt-get install -f
13:52<Nemoder>Ben90: maybe install lib32asound2
13:52<djc>xan, dont use -f
13:52<djc>what are you trying to install?
13:53<xan>djc: I try to fix problems
13:53<djc>dnt use apt-get -f
13:53<bzed>djc: read the message first before trying to give advices
13:53<bzed>xan: which architecture are you using there?
13:53<xan>bzed: arm(el)
13:53<djc>ask a question in the channe first, explaining what you are trrying to do.. dont ask a question in a paste
13:53<bzed>djc: bullshit.
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13:53<bzed>djc: you still didn't read the paste.
13:54<djc>yes I did.
13:54<bzed>xan: lenny or testing/unstable?
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13:54<djc>but sounds like you got it.
13:54<bzed>djc: then you didn't understand it.
13:54<xan>bzed, what can I do?
13:54<fxiny>brian17: zless /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/changelog.Debian.gz
13:54<seanius>i wonder why ldconfig isn't in your path...
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13:54<xan>bzed: the error afects all the system. When I run vim:
13:54<xan> vi hola
13:55<xan>Vim: Caught deadly signal BUS
13:55<xan>Vim: Finished.
13:55<xan>Error de bus
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13:55<djc>Ben90, what?
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13:55<Ben90>can you help me with zsnes?
13:55<Supaplex>I don't know the cheat codes. :(
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13:55<bzed>xan: that smells pretty much like a bad bad bug in libc6
13:55<djc>Ben90, what are you trying to do?
13:56<seanius>bzed: he's gone :)
13:56<Ben90>im trying to play a game with sound output to alsa
13:56<Supaplex>xan: come back!
13:56<djc>stuckey, fyi, zsnes is in fact in debian repository
13:56<djc>what release of debian are you using?
13:56<stuckey>djc: I didn't see it.
13:56<Ben90>i know that i already have it installed.
13:57<djc>did you install zsnes using apt(itude) and/or synaptic?
13:57<djc>and it doesnt work?
13:57<Nemoder>stuckey: it's i386 only, no amd64
13:57<Ben90>the sound does not work at all
13:58<Ben90>that only happens in zsnes on debian
13:58<bzed>seanius: yeah, realized that, too...
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13:58<djc>I have it installed, but I suspect to try having it make sound I need a game rom
13:58<Supaplex>you have a lot of sound problems. :p
13:58<bzed>seanius: not good, though...
13:58<seanius>sounded kinda sketchy
13:58<djc>Ben90, does sound work otherwise?
13:58<bzed>seanius: sigbus on armel in libc6 smells like a bad bad bug
13:58<djc>eg, only zsnes has no sound?
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13:59<Ben90>i have Vegas Stakes (U)[!].smc
13:59<fxiny>where's xan ? vim borked ? you know the answer :P
13:59<djc>Ben90, do other programs play sound ok?
13:59<Ben90>yes they do
13:59<stuckey>Nemoder: okay thanks, hey, do you know how I can install the new nvidia drivers?
13:59<xan>bzed any ideas?
14:00<bzed>xan: that smells pretty much like a bad bad bug in libc6
14:00<djc>ok I just googled a sample snes rom
14:00<djc>let me see if it works for me
14:00<xan>Original error is but now I can't do nothing with apt
14:00<Nemoder>!tell stuckey -about nvidia
14:00<Supaplex>stuckey: I can try rolling a package of it in a few days, if you're using amd64
14:00<stuckey>Nemoder: Nah, I have to get the drivers from Sid.
14:00<xan>and what can I do, bzed?
14:00<stuckey>Supaplex: What's "rolling a package" involve?
14:00<stuckey>Supaplex: and Yes, I'm using amd64.
14:01<fxiny>xan: are you upgrading etch to lenny ?
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14:01<bzed>xan: you need to downgrade libc6 I guess
14:01<bzed>xan: is the new one in testing already?
14:01<xan>fxiny, not I dist-upgraded testing to testing
14:01<Supaplex>stuckey: tuesday would be the earliest I think I might get to that.
14:01<fxiny>xan: i'd use aptitude
14:02<xan>bzed, previously I have 2.7-16
14:02<bzed>fxiny: that's not the problem here
14:02<stuckey>Since no one knows how to do this I'll most likely use the nvidia installer before then.
14:02<djc>Ben90, ok, i ran it, and sound just worked
14:02<bzed>xan: you could give the package from unstable a try
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14:02<bzed>xan: there were a lot of bugs fixed
14:02<djc>with whatever stock sound setup lenny has
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14:02<djc>ive done nothing special
14:02<bzed>xan: but I fear that you'll have to install it from some rescue disk
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14:02<xan>bzed but how can I update if I can't install it
14:02<fxiny>bzed: if people are noty using aptitude how can we know aptitude is ok or wrong ? i see apt-get failing all day
14:03<Supaplex>stuckey: hopefully you have a seperate /home. I'd uninstall the debian related nvidia stuff before you install theirs.
14:03<fxiny>so i'm wondering what aptitude can say
14:03<bzed>fxiny: a sigbus in libc6 is not a question of apt-get or aptitude
14:03<fxiny>bzed: ok
14:03<xan>I have nslu2 so I can't boot from that.
14:03<djc>Ben90, what?
14:03<Supaplex>stuckey: a seperate /home will make it eaiser if you need to reinstall. using their intaller may not play nice with kernel upgrades etc.
14:03<stuckey>Supaplex: Don't you know how to install stuff from Sid?
14:03<xan>bzed, can I copy libc6 _directly_ in my external hd?
14:04<Ben90>i tried vegas stakes and it returned no sound output
14:04<petern>i've never seen apt-get fail ;)
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14:04<bzed>xan: yeah, you could extract the package there and hope that it will work without runing the pre/postinst scripts
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14:04<djc>Ben90, perhaos its that specific game.
14:04<stuckey>This can't be that difficult... People do this, right? I mean I did it the other day with help from someone on here... the only reason I want to do it again now is because a new version of the nvidia driver (180.44) just came into the sid repository.
14:04<bzed>xan: same for downgrading it to an older version
14:04<djc>I google 'snes rom'.. got 'Romancing Saga 3 '
14:04<xan>bsed: I have status iHR in dpkg -l libc6
14:04<Ben90>i'll try smw
14:04<djc>downloaded it, it worked with sound
14:04<djc>no idea how to play it, but it made sounds
14:04<Supaplex>stuckey: I do, but I'm not going to dedicate my time to help you on it. now's now a good time.
14:04<bzed>xan: yeah, that broken status is not a the problem
14:05<fxiny>petern: not that "failing" ;)
14:05<stuckey>Supaplex: Just tell me an outline... I can figure the rest out.
14:05<xan>bzed, and so what's the problem?
14:05<stuckey>Supaplex: The basic command and shit
14:05<djc>I wonder if google is having a network outage
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14:05<Ben90>djc, still no sound
14:05<bzed>xan: there is none, except that you have to untar the package manually on the disk... and it may work then
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14:05<bzed>xan: that's not really supported, though
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14:06<djc>Ben90, dunno what to tell you.. is this the first/only sound problem you've had?
14:06<Supaplex>stuckey: I already did. /msg dpkg backport and /msg dpkg installit and man uupdate
14:06<fxiny>stuckey: Supaplex (tm) "splicing in upstream source via uupdate" is basic :P
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14:06<xan>bzed so what's the solution?
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14:06<Supaplex>fxiny: you'd think we could apt-get install the-fucking-easy-button :)
14:06<bzed>xan: there's no better way than extracting libc6 to the disk manually
14:07<bzed>xan: so you replace the broken one
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14:07<xan>and how can I do taht?
14:07<fxiny>Supaplex: again ? i'd use aptitude ;)
14:07<stuckey>Supaplex: there aren't any nvidia packages in backports.
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14:07<Ben90>djc i want to direct the debian version of zsnes sound output to alsa or oss
14:07<bzed>xan: mount the disk on some other computer and use ar and tar...
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14:07<bzed>xan: if you're running testing on such a amachine, you should know how to do such things :)
14:08<xan>bzed: how can I do that?. Can you be more specific?
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14:08<bzed>xan: also you could ask in #debian-arm for advice, probably somebody kows about this error already, at least a bug should be filed...
14:08<Supaplex>stuckey: apt-get install source, dpkg-buildpackage. check the other factoids in <backports> on making your own (unless some twit removed that)
14:09<djc>ben90 the 'debian' version of zsnes outputs sound via whatever the default setup is. no tweaking should be needed
14:09<Supaplex>er, apt-get source <package> not apt-get install source
14:09<xan>bzed, please help me. What error exactly I have to bug?
14:09<bzed>xan: ar x libc6...deb; then look what you've got :)
14:09<Ben90>but it does work in sdl mode but it's choppy
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14:09<stuckey>Supaplex: okay I've done that and I've everything installed except the "nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd"
14:09<stuckey>I don't knwo how to install that one
14:10<stuckey>That's the only thing I need, everything else is isntalled.
14:10<bzed>xan: you have to debug that your libc6 is getting a sigbus. which is very hard to debug as almost nothing runs without libc6
14:10<djc>Ben90, you're gonna have to figure it out. google is your friend
14:10<djc>i gotta run
14:10<Ben90>ok c ya
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14:11<bzed>xan: so best is you ask in #debian-arm, probably the guys have an idea there, they know more about the embedded stuff
14:11<Supaplex>stuckey: you don't know how to install a package from the .deb file on disk? or something else? is this the package created by m-a?
14:11<xan>ok, thanks. bzed. I will do it.
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14:12<stuckey>Supaplex: No, I've created the debs.... but I'm missing the nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64 package... that package is still the old version.
14:12<stuckey>I've already updated everythign else form Sid... but that oen isn't updated and I don't know why. Is this some sort of special package?
14:12<Supaplex>I don't recall. I need to leave to my meetings. good luck!
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14:14<stuckey>Does anyone know how to install the "nvidia binary kernel module for linux 2.6.26"?
14:16<stuckey>Hello, I'm trying to install nvidia drivers but am getting this error:
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14:19<Supaplex>I'm on my way out. perhaps you could rewrite your question in light of what you've learned, and post it to the mailing list. Cheers.
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14:22<seanius>stuckey: have you installed the driver? the glx package is not the driver
14:22<stuckey>seanius: here's everything that's installed.
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14:25<seanius>stuckey: try downgrading the glx package first, and then updating the kernel driver package
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14:25<stuckey>seanius: "downgrading"?
14:25<seanius>you have an older version of the kernel driver installed it looks like
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14:26<stuckey>seanius: yes
14:26<stuckey>seanius: I want 180.44
14:26<seanius>stuckey: right. normally you do that with "m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source" (or maybe it was just nvidia kernel, i forget)
14:27<seanius>but since you have a broken package that might not work
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14:27<stuckey>seanius: it fails
14:27<seanius>so you could try downgrading the nvidia-glx package back to the older version to get dpkg/apt happy, and then install the driver like above
14:28<stuckey>seanius: I don't have a source for the older package...
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14:28<stuckey>seanius: what else could I do?
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14:33<Necrun>stuckey, i don't really know what u want, but why don't you try the nvidia close drivers?
14:33<stuckey>Necrun: what's the close driver?
14:34<stuckey>seanius: okay I removed everything.
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14:34<Necrun>do you want your nvida card work, aren't u?
14:35<stuckey>Necrun: yes
14:35<Necrun>do u try to install the drivers from the nvidia page?
14:35<stuckey>That's not supported by Debian.
14:35<stuckey>I'm leaving that as a last result.
14:36<Necrun>oh, but they are way better :/
14:36<stuckey>Okay so I'm trying to build nvidia drivers but module assistant fails... Anyone know why?
14:37<stuckey>I installed nvidia-kernel-source_180.44-1_amd64.deb
14:37<stuckey>but it still fails
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14:41<Ben90>i got a question.
14:42<Ben90>how do i make zsnes work in sdl mode without it being choppy is that possible?
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14:42<stuckey>seanius: you there?
14:43<Pharcus>Hi, trying to run an install script from a CD in console... I can't get my syntax right. Any takers?
14:44<Ben90>never mind
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14:49<seanius>stuckey: after you uninstall everything, make sure apt/dpkg are happy with something like "apt-get -f install" just to make sure it doesn't want to do something. if it does you still have a problem
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14:49<seanius>stuckey: after that, "m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source" should do everything you need
14:49<stuckey>seanius: doesn't want to isntall anything...
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14:49<stuckey>seanius: it fails again
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14:50<luca635>I don't understand why my power supply is doing so much noise, though it is supposed to be a rather silent one. Could there be some software issues in this?
14:50<seanius>what's the error?
14:50<stuckey>"Build of the package "nvidia-kernel-source failed!"
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14:51<seanius>stuckey: hrm... are there any warnings/errors before that? is that on the console or in the m-a dialog window?
14:51<xan>Hi, I have libc6 broken library. apt-get is out of order. I download manually new libc6 library and I try to install, but I get:
14:51<xan>dpkg -i libc6_2.7-18_armel.deb
14:51*dpkg removes a liver from xan and replaces it with libc6_2.7-18_armel.deb
14:51<xan>dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.
14:51<xan>dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH.
14:51<xan>NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.
14:51<dpkg>wish i knew, xan
14:51<dpkg>xan: I don't know, could you explain it?
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14:52<seanius>stuckey: also 180.44 is really new isn't it?
14:52<stuckey>seanius: Yes
14:52<xan>but I have this locations on path.
14:52<xan>I'm desesperatedly
14:52<stuckey>seanius: it's on the m-a dialog window...
14:52<bzed>xan: that's still not your problem
14:53<xan>bzed. Who belongs it?
14:53<bzed>xan: I told you before that your problem is, that your installed libc6 hits a sigbus (== creates an error in your cpu)
14:53<bzed>at least that's how I understandt your problem
14:53<bzed>and that's what your paste said before
14:53<seanius>stuckey: hrm... could be a bug in the the package. i haven't updated yet so i'll give it a try :)
14:53<xan>I ask in #debian-arm but no one have idea.
14:54<bzed>did you tell them about the sigbus?
14:54<luca635>What tool should I use to reduce my cpu frequency? (I ve got cpufreq but I don't know if it's the most appropriate)
14:54<stuckey>seanius: okay cool
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14:54<xan>bzed, I put the same messages in here
14:54<bzed>ah ok
14:54<seanius>stuckey: hm... looks like it was uploaded yesterday
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14:54<bzed>xan: you could file a bug report...
14:54<bzed>xan: I'm out of ideas unfortunately..
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14:55<xan>Not I'm not filed a bug report. This not serve me. If someone could update the package I can't install it.
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14:56<bzed>xan: what do you expect? you're using a version of debian which is not stable - it should not break, but may break. that's what you have to live with if you're using testing
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14:57<bzed>xan: install lenny if you don't want to run into troubles
14:57<xan>bzed: reinstall it?
14:57<marc_>anyone assisty me with figuring out why my games are so laggy?
14:57<seanius>xan: i'd guess that you'd have to fix the system manually with a rescue disk / install disk / live cd
14:57<xan>I prefer to I fix it? If I can.
14:57<bzed>xan: or use ar and tar to install an older or newer version of libc6
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14:58<marc_>tryin to play nexuiz
14:58<xan>bzed, can you specify how to do it with tar?
14:58<xan>seanius, I can't do that: I have nslu2. So no more than ssh.
14:59<seanius>xan: ah, so then i'll keep my nslu2 at lenny for the time being :)
14:59<bzed>xan: but you can attach the disk to a different computer...
14:59<bzed>xan: and as I told you before: ar x libc6...deb
14:59<bzed>xan: and see what you've got
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15:00<xan>tar [what params] llibc6_2.7-18_armel.deb ?
15:00<bzed>xan: why don't you read what I write :(
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15:00<bzed>xan: *ar* NOT tar.
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15:00<seanius>what is this a pirate channel now
15:00<bzed>xan: yes, /usr/bin/ar
15:01*seanius arrrr
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15:01<xan>bzed: so I plug my usb disk in my laptop, and run ar x libc6_2.7-18_armel.deb?
15:02<xan>but I have to put libc6_2.7-18_armel.deb in /?
15:02<bzed>xan: yes, and then see what you've got. mainly two tarballs... look what's inside of them and extract the right one ;)
15:02<xan>(/ on my usb disk)
15:02<marc_>is there something special I have to do to make geforce4 mx work right for games in debian?
15:02<grummund>hi, any drupal users here that could help get me started? i've installed drupal6 and just want to make do *something* so i can have a play and learn what it is/does.
15:02<seanius>stuckey: yes, looks like it's broken
15:02<xan>bzed, so why put hd in other machine.?
15:03<stuckey>seanius: shit. So what do I do?
15:03<bzed>xan: because your libc6 is broken.
15:03<seanius>stuckey: if you select "view" for the errors, do you see │ dh_clean: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory ▒
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15:03<stuckey>seanius: yep... that's what I see.
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15:03<seanius>sounds like a bug needs to be filed
15:03<bzed>xan: but I start to think that you should install lenny.
15:03<seanius>in the mean time you should grab nvidia-kernel-source from squeeze
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15:03<mazze>I've a problem with sound on my machine with a 82801G ICH7 sound controller: in GNOME, totem works fine, as does nautilus (with its backend), but ogg123 on commandline gives: "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave^MALSA snd_pcm_open error: Device or Resource busy^MError: Cannot open device alsa." Also, flashplugin-nonfree does not output any sound, and vlc-player showing DVDs just shows video, no audio; it also seems not to be able to
15:04<xan>bzed, when I fix this error, I will install lenny (apt-get upgrade)
15:04<stuckey>seanius: when will I know that it is fixed?
15:04<mazze>Any ideas for help?
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15:04<lskfjlsdk>anyone up?
15:04<seanius>stuckey: if you're the one who reports the bug then you'll know when the bug is fixed :)
15:04<bzed>xan: you can't use apt to install lenny as you've instlled testing.
15:04<stuckey>seanius: okay how do I report the bug?
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15:04<xan>bzed, yes, but modify apt sources.list
15:04<bzed>xan: you need to reinstall. use lenny. and nothing else.
15:05<bzed>xan: no.
15:05<bzed>xan: downgrades DO NOT work.
15:05<lskfjlsdk>is there any security risk to a computer that is on but the screen is locked by Ctrl+Alt+L?
15:05<xan>bzed why?
15:05<lskfjlsdk>...any more than a computer that is powered off?
15:05<stuckey>seanius: ooops... squeese won't work... I need at least 180.22.
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15:06<seanius>stuckey: typically bugs are reported with reportbug
15:06<stuckey>seanius: What should I do if I can't use the driver in squeese?
15:06<seanius>dpkg: tell stuckey about reportbug
15:06<meshuggah>how can i use subervsion for thatr : svn://
15:07<xan>yes, why downgrades does not work
15:07<wallpapper>could somebody help me with wifi connection?
15:07<seanius>stuckey: lemme check if it's a simple mistake in the current version
15:07<wallpapper>I have found some texts via google, but still malfunction
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15:08<box02>somebody helps me?
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15:08<meshuggah>box02, no
15:08<box02>I'm running debian lenny
15:08<meshuggah>box02, ok, and what is your quesiton?
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15:09<Remi>where is your problem ?
15:09<Signius>box02 LOL yeah you and me both.......What issue you having ?
15:09<Remi>you can't connect ?
15:09<wallpapper>I use notebook ASUS with wifi bcmwl5.inf - ndiswrapper installed, but after change wifi net to permitted it only flash with green pass and returns to forbidden immediatelly
15:09<box02>my problem was not able to use compiz-fusion
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15:09<xan>bzed I ar x libc6 and I have two gz: control and data
15:09<meshuggah>box02, did u tried compiz --replace?
15:10<box02>not yet
15:10<bzed>xan: tar xvfz data.tar.gz should extract the files for you
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15:10<wallpapper>Remi, as I've described
15:10<meshuggah>box02, maybe you should
15:11<xan>bzed: previously I have to copy data.tar.gz in the root of my usb disk?
15:11<bzed>xan: but again: you can NOT (as in NEVER, and NO IT DOES NOT WORK) install lenny properly with apt now.
15:11<bzed>xan: yes
15:11<box02>yeah .. you know it worked fine before updating
15:11<wallpapper>If you like to know more, I could send to you some picture from desktop
15:11<Remi>it could help me
15:11<box02>to 2.6.26-2-686
15:11<xan>bzed, but yes when I have fixed this bug?
15:11<meshuggah>box02, are talking about the blue bar not on the window?
15:11<meshuggah>sorry for my poor english
15:12<wallpapper>I prepare and let me know your e-mail adress.. I will send it to you
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15:12<Remi>wallpapper, paste it
15:12<box02>no , when I click on Fusion-Icon,
15:12<box02>the desktop was completely going to grey
15:13<box02>i couldn't see my desktop
15:13<meshuggah>box02, try in the compiz setting, putting a wallpaper
15:13<box02>how to do that?
15:14<meshuggah>box02, did u install compiz fusion icon
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15:15<box02>compiz fusion work only on 2.6.26-1-686 kernel
15:15<meshuggah>rightclick no the icon -> setting manager
15:15<meshuggah>it is what i have
15:15<box02>but on 2.6.26-2-686 , it not working
15:16<meshuggah>the 2-686 doenst load the gui here
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15:16<box02>so it not working yet on 2.6.26-1-686
15:17<meshuggah>it is not working on 26-2
15:17<box02>or sorry 2.6.26-2-686
15:17<meshuggah>i didnt succeed to install properly on 26-2
15:17<meshuggah>even not X
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15:17<box02>thank you so much for your info :)
15:17<meshuggah>so i am still using 26-1
15:17<seanius>stuckey: it looks totally fucked afaict... could you please report a bug?
15:17<box02>aha aha
15:17<box02>oh yeah thanks a lot :)
15:17<meshuggah>26-2 got some problems
15:17<xan>bzed: please, how can do tell me: tar [what params]?
15:18<bzed>xan: scroll up.
15:18<box02>well I was worried about that.
15:18<xan>bzed, I close the window
15:18<box02>I did uninstall and reinstalled but didn't get it
15:18<bzed>xan: why?
15:18<meshuggah>i had problem with 26-2(big one) and i read about it in google, and it is the 26-2 problem not working at half
15:18<mazze>does anybody have a hint for me trying to investigate my ALSA-problem formerly described?
15:18<bzed>xan: do you want help or not? I'm not your personal message repeater.
15:18<erKURITA>tar xvfz data.tar.gz <=
15:19<box02>good to know about it
15:19<xan>erKURITA: thanks
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15:19<erKURITA>you're welcome
15:19<box02>meshuggah .. thanks a lot :)
15:19<meshuggah>box02, no problem, only edit your grub file to boot on 26-1
15:20<box02>ok .. very good
15:20<box02>I'll do it, excellent
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15:20<meshuggah>i am sure you can figure how
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15:21<box02>yes I can , friend :)
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15:21<box02>ok .. meshuggah .. thank you for your help and have a nice holiday
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15:22<box02>I'm going to sleep ;)
15:22<meshuggah>box02, good sleep
15:22<stuckey>seanius: okay... i'm not sure I know how but I'll try
15:22<box02>bye for now .. see you next time :)
15:22<dpkg>error: could not parse
15:22<meshuggah>box02, see ya later
15:22<stuckey>!reporting bugs
15:22<box02>see you , bye
15:22<seanius>dpkg: tell stuckey about reportbug
15:22<wallpapper>e-mail has been sent to you
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15:24<Remi>wallpapper, I see
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15:25<Remi>what is the type of your security (wep or wpa) wallpapper ?
15:25<wallpapper>it should be possible to set up both, wifi and ethernet to permitted..
15:25<Remi>yes it's possible
15:25<wallpapper>I use there ASCII code
15:25<petern>gah, must've done something wrong. verify is saying address resolver failure :/
15:26<Remi>could you paste result of iwconfig please wallpapper
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15:26<wallpapper>yeah... I will try to find it
15:27<stuckey>seanius: okay now what do I do with this email?
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15:28<wallpapper>lo no wireless extensions.
15:28<wallpapper>eth0 no wireless extensions.
15:28<wallpapper>wmaster0 no wireless extensions.
15:28<wallpapper>wlan0 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"025sr610"
15:28<wallpapper> Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated
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15:28<seanius>stuckey: send it to
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15:30<stuckey>seanius: okay thanks, e-mail sent. And what do I do in the meantime for a graphics driver? (Now that I've deleted my 180.22)
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15:43<stuckey>seanius: Do you have a recommendation as to what I should do in the meantime for a video driver?
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15:48<klando>Hello, I wonder if I can use debian/watch and uscan to get source from git ?
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15:52<bzed>klando: no, not really
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15:52*bzed always wanted to write some too which packages repositories automatically, but never found the time to
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16:00<klando>bzed, ah :/
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16:01<klando>debian/watch can just get from http or ftp so ?
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16:05<willy>Hi there!! I'm having a problem with Aptitude. It will not finish any run at all. The furthest it gets is to have downloaded the required files; after that, it "freezes", requiring a control-C to get out of it.
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16:07<willy>I need to add that every time I ask apt-get to reinstall it, a file called INSTALL-MENUS comes up with 10 error 14s. Also, at eleven places, something seems to receive a "signal 11".
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16:09<mjt>willy: ever looked at ?
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16:09<willy>I certainly hope that someone with a few more brains than I presently have can make head or tail of it.
16:09<willy>mjt: No, I never knew to do such a thing.
16:10<mjt>it's the first hit on google for "signal 11"
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16:12<Aesdana>Hi, can somebody help me with Valknut? In wich folder should i put for printing song that playing now? I added this command in settinhs, is it enough?
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16:15<marc_>is there anyway to adjust the setting for my graphics card? It seems good till I try to play any game, they are all way to laggy to play
16:16<marc_>all I can find is an app to change my resolution, nothing to check other settings
16:17<Aesdana>try to setup driver for your card
16:17<marc_>how would I do that?
16:17<marc_>this is my first linux experiance
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16:19<cahoot>the 'driver' you use is probably of interest
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16:19<marc_>how could I find out what it is?
16:19<marc_>my card is geforce4 mx
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16:20<cahoot>and you use debian?
16:20<marc_>yes, newest release
16:20<marc_>installed it yesterday, took forever to get sound lol
16:21<poisonbit>marc_, for kernel modules: lsmod, for xorg drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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16:22<amphi>marc_: the wiki should have some info on nvidia - you may be using the nv driver ATM
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16:22<Aesdana>don`t forget backup xorg.conf
16:23<notme>marc_, have you looked at:
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16:24<Aesdana>i found nvidia drivers in repositories. i just download them, then run smomething like nvidia-xconfig, don`t remember now...
16:25<simonrvn>!nvidia one-liner
16:25<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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16:25<Aesdana>can somebody help with Valknut?
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16:27<Aesdana>едрить-колотить, ну помогите же(
16:27<simonrvn>Aesdana: one would imagine you'd put it in your ~/bin or /usr/local/bin
16:27<simonrvn>Aesdana: stick to english, thanks
16:28<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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16:33<OdyX>Hi. Using sid, how can I use tg3 firmware ?
16:33<OdyX>there is no -tg3 non-free package AFAIK, huh ?
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16:37<startx>hello. i hope thats the right place to ask, but does anybody know if there was ever a discussion to start a debian/GNU minix3 port?
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16:38<startx>ive seen the (empty) wiki page though
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16:39<poisonbit>OdyX, tg3 doesn't need firmware like bnx2 does
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16:40<OdyX>poisonbit: that is ?
16:40<poisonbit>OdyX, i use lenny, but that is what modinfo says
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16:40<notme>startx that question does not make sense to me, you are asking can you port one operating system to another - you might be able to other things but that is just a bit far
16:40<OdyX>"Running update-initramfs" => "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3.bin for module tg3"
16:41<OdyX>poisonbit: Sid => 2.6.29 with
16:41<OdyX> * New upstream release
16:41<OdyX> - tg3 use request_firmware and firmware nuked.
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16:41<poisonbit>ops... that is. Sorry i'm in lenny
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16:41<startx>notme: i mean a Debian/Linux system on top of a minix3 kernel (similar to Debian GNU/Hurd or Debian/kfreebsd)
16:41<startx>DEbian/GNU system i wanted to say
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16:44<startx>its not that i would start such a project ;) but i was wondering how to get in contact with people who would be interested in discussing such a thing
16:44<startx>the wiki page Debian GNU/Minix is "immutable" otherwise i would use it
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16:47<deniz>where are the debian wallpapers located? i want to send them to somebody
16:47<deniz>(the preinstalled ones)
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16:58<somae7>how can I add a directory to the "path"?
16:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 415] by debhelper
16:59<somae7>I tried editing /etc/profile but it doesn't seem to be functioning
16:59<mjt>!tell somae7 -about path
17:01<somae7>jt: nothing showed up
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17:02<erKURITA>somae7 uhm, how about the config file for your shell ?
17:03<erKURITA>something like PATH="$PATH:/directory/you/want"
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17:03<erKURITA>for bash, it'd be .bashrc
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17:04<mjt>bashrc gets sources by every subshell. dpkg knows better places.
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17:04<mjt>but if somae7 can't read privmsg, well.. his choice.
17:05*erKURITA reads
17:05<erKURITA>well yeah, .bash_profile would be good
17:06<mjt>that one sourced once per session.
17:06<somae7>mjt: I was on a different winen I came back there was no message - I've been able to see messages before
17:07<mjt>the real question is if it's really necessary to start with ;)
17:07<somae7>oops - different window
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17:10<somae7>so - add PATH="$PATH:/directory/you/want" to .bash_profile?
17:13<somae7>.bash_profile has "if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}"" - would I add it to that or put it on a separate line?
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17:14<somae7>(before the "fi"
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17:16<erKURITA>you would add your directory after the ${PATH
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17:16<somae7>ok = thanks
17:16<erKURITA>or before, if you want yours to have priority over the ones in $PATH
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17:25<wallpapper>I have troubles with WIFI on notebook ASUS A6000 with Sempron CPU. There is used wifi bcmwl5.inf or sys and by trying to use b43-fwcutter command I have got result that input file is not supported by b43-fwcutter..
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17:25<wallpapper>I am not able to connect via wifi for this reason..
17:29<Remi>more explains for wallpapper problem : after ifconfig wlan0 up he gets this error : SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
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17:29<wallpapper>one of confusing results is: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: isn't file nor folder.
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17:30<somae7>erkurita: would I need to add a ":" after ${PATH} and before the PATH=?
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17:30<erKURITA>you have to
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17:31<erKURITA>That's the directory separator
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17:32<onur>Hi. I just installed a new kernel. But I have a problem. My kernel doesn't load modules for my hardware when booting. I am always doing this manually. What could it be? How can I automate this again?
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17:33<somae7>ok - thanks -
17:33<Remi>onur, put them in /etc/modules ?
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17:33<onur>Remi: I know only mouse and wireless card drivers, i dont know other driver names such as sound card
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17:49<marc_>I am trying to turn off xserver so I can install nvidia drivers, I type gdm stop and I get a warning that gdm is already running... How do I turn it off?
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17:50<marc_>if I use the full path /etc/int.d/gdm stop it tells me no such file or directory
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17:51<bcoca>try /etc/init.d/xdm stop
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17:51<marc_>ok, thanks
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17:55<marc_>It tell me no such directory
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17:55<marc_>if I do xdm stop without the path it says no such command xdm
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17:56<bcoca>xdm is the startup script, it normally calls gdm or kdm
17:56<bcoca>do "ls /etc/init.d/" and check
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17:57<marc_>says no such file or directory
17:57<bcoca>then something is really wrong with your system
17:57<adb>not debian ?
17:57<bcoca>this dir "/etc/init.d" holds all startup scripts
17:58<marc_>newset debian
17:58<bcoca>in almost every linux distro its the same
17:58<marc_>dl it yesterday
17:58<adb>uname -a
17:58<adb>does ?
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17:59<marc_>the directory and file is there
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17:59<marc_>Linux Marc 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
18:00<adb>how is staring X environment ?
18:01<marc_>got me there, this is my first linux attempt
18:01<marc_>took me all night to get sound and now trying to get me nvidia drivers installed
18:01<adb> cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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18:03<adb> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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18:08<marc_>it says stopping dgm but then I run the nvidia setup and it claims x is running and needs to be turned off
18:09<marc_>gdm even
18:09<adb>rm /tmp/.X0-lock
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18:16<marc_>adb: much appreciated
18:17<_Fabio20>why < ?
18:17<adb> moin == 1
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19:08<pao>hi there anybody knows how to apply a "RCS/CVS diff output text" patch?
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19:09<koollman>pao: something like 'patch < thepatch' should do
19:10<cwood>patch -p0 < thepatch ... the -p levels are for parent directories or something, check the man page.
19:10<pao>it's not a regular patch
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19:11<pao>it's a "RCS/CVS diff output text"
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19:11<pao>the usual patch command do not works
19:11<pao>does not work*
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19:15<cwood>You're likely able to hunt it down in the dvs docs.
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19:38<gravity>pao: Try patch -n
19:39<gravity>pao: Or possibly -c
19:39<gravity>Without seeing the diff, I don't know
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19:40<pao>gravity: was a wrong txt format
19:40<pao>^m rather then \r
19:40<gravity>ah, fun
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19:42<Wolfcastle>I'm having trouble running multiple kde sessions
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19:42<Wolfcastle>one of the two sessions restarts at what seems to be random moments
19:42<Wolfcastle>very annoying
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20:07<hamstercookie>så, vad händer här då? :D
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20:07<justaguy>I ran into this problem earlier when trying kde 4.2.2 in sid, I have since moved to trying xfce 4.6, the problem I am having is the inability to install available packages thru aptitude. The solution to my previous install was a small lib/package that was unavail in unstable, and had to be brought from testing, the "package" addressed symlinks I believe,
20:08<cwood>justaguy: iirc xfce 4.6 isn't finished filtering into Sid from Experimental, which is why you're having the problem.
20:08<cwood>justaguy: I switched to fluxbox on my home desktop until the last few packages appear.
20:08<justaguy>installed from sid?
20:08<cwood>Yeah, Sid's fluxbox.
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20:09<cwood>At least, that's my take on the situation.
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20:09<dpkg>undockedwindy: VATTENE VIA
20:09<cwood>Depends: xfce4-session (>= 4.6.0) but 4.4.2-6 is to be installed
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20:10<justaguy>that sux.......
20:10<undockedwindy>how do i connect to rizon?
20:11<justaguy>sorry, I am whipped sciuring the net for the answer
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20:16<justaguy>cwood, thanks guy
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20:17<cesurasean>anyone have a clue why I'm getting this error? ntpd[3122]: kernel time sync error 0001
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20:18<cesurasean>nevermind, it's because I have an older kernel
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20:37<gpm>hi. i'm using the ffmpeg from marillat and it's claiming that the "-title" option is unrecognized, yet it is in the manpage. i'm not sure who to report this discrepancy to...
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20:47<gpm>i can't go through bts, can i?
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20:51<aredhel>gpm, send the bug reports to or to upstream if they are upstreams fault.
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20:52<gpm>aredhel: hard to tell. i guess i'll just email marillat.
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20:53<gpm>hoepfully it's not my fault :p, done a fair amount of testing though, works fine without those metadata options like -title that are supposedly including (if you believe the manpage)
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20:55<Sh3ll>tried --title yet? maybe the manual forgot an - ?
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21:01<gpm>Sh3ll: yes, and with/without quotes.
21:01<gpm>around the actual title, i mean
21:02<gpm>another issue: my totem segfaults, even if i call it with no file.
21:02<gpm>it's ok, i removed the metadata stuff from kino's scripts since i don't care about that anyway
21:02<gpm>and emailed marillat about the error.
21:02<gpm>it doesn't work the way it should according to his manpage.
21:02<gpm>but this totem thing is a real thorn in my side.
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21:03<Sh3ll>weird, and what if you start totem from terminal? Can you pastebin the output? (of the error ofcourse)
21:03<gpm>it just says "Segmentation fault" when i start totem from the cl
21:03<Sh3ll>Ok, sorry misunderstuded.
21:04<Sh3ll>gpm: Sorry, i dont really have an idea then :(
21:05<gpm>mrw: i figured out what the problem was, the man page is not in sync with reality
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21:05<mrw>gpm: ffmpeg's man page??
21:05<gpm>you were helping me with kino earlier
21:05<mrw>gpm: yep. so which man page, though? because the problem was with ffmpeg -title $title etc, right?
21:06<gpm>yeah, basically -title is not an option, i tried encoding some stuff with ffmpeg
21:06<gpm>it works fine if you omit -title
21:06<gpm>or -author, -copyright, -comment
21:06<gpm>basically there's no metadata support for ffmpeg
21:06<gpm>but the manpage says there is
21:06<mrw>gpm: no kidding. that's a let down.
21:06<mrw>gpm: it sure does
21:07<gpm>so when i commented out the metadata stuff in kino's scripts, it worked without a hitch
21:07<gpm>i emailed marillat, since i was using his ffmpeg
21:07<mrw>gpm: ok good
21:07<mrw>gpm: that is a serious problem
21:07<mrw>gpm: congrats for figuring it out
21:07<gpm>it was after much googling
21:08<gpm>many tabs open
21:08<mrw>gpm: yeah i can imagine, definitely not where i thought the problem was
21:08<gpm>the scripts looked suspicious as hell, no doubt
21:08<mrw>gpm: yeah, i always suspect the shell scripts
21:08<gpm>now though, my problem is that if i start totem, even without any files and removing all my prefs, it segfaults
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21:09<mrw>gpm: oh wow. have you tried aptitude remove --purge totem?
21:09<gpm>ha, not yet, that's a good idea. right now, since i'm using totem-xine, i'm installing xine-ui to see if it works ok. if it does, it's just some totem crap and not the xine libs
21:10<mrw>gpm: right, good call. maybe try strace and see if it's trying to access a file or directory that doesn't exist or something?
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21:11<gpm>uh oh, xine segfaults too
21:11<mrw>gpm: trouble abounds
21:12<gpm>hold on i'm learning how to use strace
21:12<mrw>gpm: i like to do strace $PROGRAM 2>&1 | less
21:13<mrw>gpm: you can then look for ^open
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21:14<gpm>could you grep for it?
21:15<mrw>gpm: keep in mind that less will block the program's loading, so you have to page through. like a poor man's step command
21:15<mrw>gpm: you could, but you can get some context, however useful it may be, with less
21:16<mrw>gpm: you could also do grep -m \d+ for a couple of lines of context
21:16<mrw>gpm: this seg faulting business just started, right?
21:17<gpm>pretty recently yeah
21:17<gpm>i can't recall exactly when
21:17<gpm>god this is a lot of output
21:18<mrw>gpm: yeah, it's crazy... but maybe worth a shot
21:18<mrw>gpm: maybe grep is the right way to do it after all!
21:18<gpm>*** glibc detected *** strace: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x0000000001602460 ***
21:19<mrw>gpm: hmmmmmmmm
21:19<mrw>gpm: what was the last file it opened?
21:19<mrw>gpm: well, the last open call
21:21<gpm>open("/usr/share/icons/DMZ-White/cursors/watch", O_RDONLY) = 18
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21:21<mrw>gpm: this might be a wild goose chase, but maybe check out that file?
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21:22<mrw>gpm: also maybe get and run memtester, or memtest86+
21:23<gpm>what's the difference between memtest86 and 86+?
21:23<mrw>gpm: i've had seg faults that appeared pretty non-random because of bad ram...
21:24<mrw>gpm: eh, memtest68+ > memtest68?
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21:24<gpm>could just need a reboot
21:24<mrw>gpm: and lose your uptime?! might be a thing to do
21:24<gpm>i think i upgraded the kernel and forgot to reboot.....
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21:30<torrancew>hi all, looking for help completing a shell script... if anyone is savvy please help
21:31<mrw>torrancew: describe your shell script and your specific problem?
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21:31<torrancew>mrw: the script should scan the incoming connections on the running machine from the internet, and apply a regex to the urls, any that match need to be processed
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21:32<torrancew>mrw: i can apply the regex and process, but am looking for the appropriate utility to scan all incoming traffic and return urls
21:32<mrw>torrancew: got it
21:33<mrw>torrancew: is this traffic restricted to a specific protocol/service? like stuff on port 80?
21:33<torrancew>yes, it will all be on 80, all coming through a running web browser
21:34<mrw>torrancew: ok, and you want this regex and processing to be done before the traffic hits the web browser?
21:34<mrw>torrancew: err, i'm sorry, web server
21:35<torrancew>mrw: no particular order is necessary for my needs - it can run before or after
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21:36<torrancew>mrw: the script will essentially live in the background and wait for the traffic (automatically pushed to the browser), apply the regex, and take note of any matching urls
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21:37<torrancew>mrw: does any utility come to mind that does just that, and does it all via cli?
21:37<mrw>torrancew: unfortunately no
21:37<mrw>torrancew: but don't take my ignorance to be definitive
21:38<torrancew>mrw: i've a protoype that requires manual scanning of the output from livehttpheaders (a mozilla extension) in which i fidn the urls and dump them in a text file
21:38<torrancew>mrw: find*
21:38<mrw>torrancew: ahhhhh, so you want something like a local
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21:39<mrw>torrancew: have you looked into something like squid?
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21:39<torrancew>mrw: i haven't thought of it, how could i go about applying that?
21:40<mrw>torrancew: let's see...
21:40<torrancew>mrw: if allowed, i can send you a private with more details
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21:41<torrancew>mrw: i'd just rather not post the whole script to the thread just yet
21:41<torrancew>mrw: it's a primitive proof of concept
21:41<mrw>torrancew: ok, but keep in mind i've not used squid much myself, though i know it can be used to run arbitrary scripts on urls
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21:41<Agnes>i just upgraded debian this morning and now i cant ssh to my server, anyone know if LDAP was included in the upgrade?
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21:48<abrotman>Agnes: etch or lenny ?
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21:49<abrotman> .. and check
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21:53<Agnes>grrr, they upgraded nss-ldap, thanks
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21:55<kristianpaul>nonveau !
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21:55<kristianpaul>who tested nonveau?
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21:59<abrotman>erm .. nouveau
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22:02<dpkg>Nouveau is a project, with the goal of providing open-source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards. Current development status: #nouveau @
22:02<kristianpaul>abrotman, nouveau :-)
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22:03<wildude>Hi there!! I seem to be having a gravely difficult problem with aptitude.
22:06<wildude>To start with, it will not complete a work session at all. As soon as it gets done downloading the files to be installed, it "freezes" and will go no further. Additionally, whenever I want out of the program, I must control-C out of it rather than just Qing out in the usual way.
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22:09<wildude>who wildude
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22:10<marc_>anyone assist me with installing a .bin file?
22:11<wildude>who willy
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22:11<marc_>I did chmod +x PlaneShift-v0.4.03-x86.bin
22:12<marc_>then ./PlaneShift-v0.4.03-x86.bin
22:12<marc_>and I get bash: ./PlaneShift-v0.4.03-x86.bin: Text file busy
22:12<marc_>? any idea
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22:15<bauermann>hi, I am seeing a number of init.d scripts failing on unstable upgrade (e.g., from hal, network-manager etc). this is preventing me from upgrading the packages. anyone saw that too?
22:15<bauermann>I've been following unstable freqüently, for 3 years now, and this is the first time I see something like that happening :-(
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22:27<bauermann>oh, man. it was the splashy package. some script in it was failing, then all init.d scripts would fail because of that, causing major breakage
22:27<bauermann>I'll investigate further and see if there's a bug against splashy about that
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22:31<wildude>Moreover, aptitude seems to have a problem with a program -- install-menu -- from which it typically gets 10 to 12 Error 14s each time I install it.
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22:35<wildude>Still further, there is a set of seven script files sitting off in /var somewhere from which it typically gets ten or eleven #11 system messages, too. All of this is happening on an AMD64 machine. I went so far as to pull up my computer's CMOS screen on the way into booting, all on the supposiiton
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22:37<wildude>Still further, there is a set of seven script files sitting off in /var somewhere from which it typically gets ten or eleven #11 system messages, too. All of this is happening on an AMD64 machine. I went so far as to pull up my computer's CMOS screen on the way into booting, all on the supposition that it was a timing issue. I must say that cutting the memory speed down halfway was no help at all
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22:40<wildude>so my great big huge question is: Does anyone here have any idea what is going on with this machine?
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23:20<Guest252>hola,la sala es en español o ingles ?
23:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:40<rico>anyone here
23:41<rico>i need some help, im new to xubunto i have never use linux in my life
23:41<rico>could anyone answer some questions for me please
23:41<Kei_Linux>what do you need?
23:42<rico>well.... i dont mean to be a bother but kind of a lot.. but i will not smother you with questions
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23:42<rico>they are dumb but im really trying to figure this out
23:42<rico>how do u download applications
23:43<Kei_Linux>and your using Xubunto correct
23:43<Kei_Linux>k one second
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23:43<dekoa>Como estan_
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23:44<william_>bien, pero mi espanol es muy pobre. Habla ingles?
23:44<rico>sorry i just automatically replied
23:44<rico>in spanish lol
23:44<Kei_Linux> there one link
23:45<rico>k n this is ....wait hold on let me check
23:45<Kei_Linux>its how to install programs in Xubuntu
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23:46<kenyon>!tell rico about ubuntu
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23:46<rico>oh i read about it
23:46<rico>but im running an old imb thinkpad
23:46<rico>so i thought xubuntu would be better
23:47<rico>was i wrong?
23:47<Kei_Linux>Ubuntu/Xubuntu same innards just different desktop
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23:47<kenyon>!tell rico about based on debian
23:47<rico>oh really? it said something to the effect that xubuntu was made for laptos
23:47<rico>what is based on debian?
23:47<rico>actually better question,...what is debian?
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23:48<Kei_Linux>Debian is another form of Linux that Ubuntu is based off of
23:48<rico>sorry guys but like a said im a total newbie to linux
23:48<Kei_Linux> it's what I am running on my linux box
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23:48<Kei_Linux>runs rather well on an old HP P3 500Mhz
23:49<rico>so....its like xubuntu...or is it a version of xubuntu or is it its own OS
23:49<kenyon>rico: Xubuntu is based on Ubuntu which is based on Debian.
23:49<rico>nice thanks. that clarified it
23:49<rico>so should i run debian instead
23:49<rico>what are the differences
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23:49<kenyon>rico: not necessarily
23:50<Kei_Linux>it's really up to you. Ubuntu is more "newb" friendly while Debian is not as much
23:50*Kei_Linux scratches head.
23:50<Kei_Linux>Hard to explain
23:50<rico>lol its ok
23:50<kenyon>rico: Debian is meant to be a universal operating system, but Ubuntu has more specific goals.
23:51<rico>so linux looks a bit complicated but powerful i wish i knew how to take advantage of it
23:51<rico>and ubuntu was just the first thing i foud out
23:51<kenyon>well you are on the right track by installing it.
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23:52<rico>but its like i wanted to itstall aim, bein that im trying it out and seeing how it works
23:52<Kei_Linux>download and burn some live CD/DVDs play with it,.
23:52<rico>i wanted to know if i could run exe files on it
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23:52<Kei_Linux>.exe is windows only
23:52<rico>i ihave a live cd of xubunto
23:52<kenyon>rico: you can in Wine.
23:52<rico>yea i figured that out
23:52<rico>wait what
23:52<Kei_Linux>though you can use Pidgen which can run the AIM protocal
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23:52<rico>some how im thinking alchohol but im sure thats not what u mean
23:53<Kei_Linux>Wine= WIndows emulator
23:53<rico>yes i saw that and i was very impressed
23:53<rico>windows emulator? really? how does that work
23:54<kenyon>!tell rico about wine
23:55<Kei_Linux>gah I need to lay down. laters
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23:58<launch>Hi, what is the difference between contrib and non-free?
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23:58<rico>hey um... what version of ubuntu is xubuntu....intrepid... hardy or what
23:59<nearst>i want to know weather debian 5 can support for broadcom nic
23:59<launch>thanks, and what is non-us
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