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00:02<kenyon>dpkgbot is awesome.
00:02<gsimmons>launch: /msg dpkg contrib ; /msg dpkg non-free ; /msg dpkg non-us
00:02<gsimmons>nearst: Which Broadcom chipset, specifically?
00:02<nearst>broadcom netlink
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00:02<nearst>kenyon: yeah...that dpkg bot really interesting :)
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00:04<nearst>gsimmons: ??
00:04<gsimmons>nearst: Not specific enough. Did you mean the NetXtreme II? (BCM5706, 5708)
00:07<nearst>netlink fast ethernet
00:08<nearst>gsimmons: Broadcom 59XX 10/100 Ethernet Controller DRVR
00:08<kenyon>nearst: maybe you can use lspci to determine the specific chipset.
00:09<kenyon>nearst: have you tried using it with debian?
00:10<nearst>yeah .... im try to load a tg3 driver...but networking still failed
00:11<nearst>for now im using ubuntu to find out what options to derive to debian..
00:11<nearst>becoz im really debian fan
00:11<gsimmons>nearst: What are its PCI vendor/device codes? (lspci -nn)
00:11<kenyon>nearst: so it works in Ubuntu?
00:12<kenyon>yeah I'd check for differences in package versions in Ubuntu vs. Debian.
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00:20<wildude>who willy
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00:37<HamishB>If you do 'apt-get update' over dial-up takes a long time as Lenny's Packages file is over 5mb. To speed things up, is there a way to instruct apt to download the Packages.gz version instead if it is present?
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00:45<HamishB>(or is a 5mb lenny/Packages file already bzip2'd and the update progress text just removes the extension?
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01:44<alephnull>Is the XkbOptions method of swapping ctrl and caps lock deprecated ? HAL seems to be handling keyboard options now.
01:44<reinolds2>How do I resize a Ext3 partition but not using Gparted???
01:44<alephnull>I'd rather not use the GNOME keyboard capplet.
01:45<alephnull>reinolds2: resize2fs can handle ext3, iirc.
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01:46<alephnull>reinolds2: You might need to remove the journal, resize and then enable the journal.
01:46<alephnull>man tune2fs should have the details.
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01:51<reinolds2>do you know if the drive has to be mounted or not?
01:52<reinolds2>and also what form do you inout the size?
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01:58<alephnull>reinolds2: It is probably unsafe to try to resize while the partition is in use/mounted.
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01:58<alephnull>reinolds2: The man page should tell you the options and their meanings.
01:58<alephnull>!gl resize ext3
01:59<alephnull>!g resize ext3
01:59<Ben90>hi everybody.
01:59<reinolds2>i tried but it wont load it either it is an sd card
01:59<Ben90>i want to know how i would go about getting rid of gnome and try to switch it to kde
02:00<reinolds2>fdisk is the only thing that recognizes it but i am not a big fan of it
02:00<reinolds2>gparted wont even loaded because it is loaded at /dev/mmcblk0p1
02:00<gsimmons>Ben90: /msg dpkg remove gnome ; /msg dpkg install kde
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02:03<Ben90>i just want the kde desktop
02:03<Ben90>it that possible in debian lenny?
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02:04<reinolds2>i need to resize a sdhc. Does anyone have any ideas?
02:04<Ben90>someone please guide me along im new at this
02:04<Sh3ll>Ben90: <gsimmons> Ben90: /msg dpkg remove gnome ; /msg dpkg install kde
02:04<cahoot>someone just did
02:05<Ben90>yeah that was me
02:05<Sh3ll>type /msg dpkg remove gnome ; after that /msg dpkg install kde (Thats all, thank gsimmons )
02:05<Ben90>ok 1 sec.
02:06<Sh3ll>Thank gsimmons hé:)
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02:10<Ben90>that doesn't help me at all
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02:11<Ben90>can a real person guide me along instead of a freaking bot?
02:11<fxiny>Ben90: do you have space problems ?
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02:11<fxiny>Ben90: is your partition large enough to install kde and remove gnome after ?
02:11<Ben90>yeah its a 20gb hdd
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02:12<Ben90>with an extra 60 gb hdd
02:12<fxiny>so , just type : aptitue -s install kde kdm . see if that is ok for you , is just a simulatiuon
02:12<Ben90>in total thats about 80-something gigabytes in usable space
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02:13<Ben90>1 sec
02:13<reinolds2>i need to resize a sdhc. Does anyone have any ideas?
02:14<cahoot>Ben90: you can't really expect 'someone' to handhold you through all procedures
02:14<Ben90>ok then.
02:14<Ben90>i guess not
02:14<fxiny>cahoot: exactly , i'm telling him to keep gnome and install kde , so he can play safe
02:15<Ben90>i dont freaking want gnome!
02:15<Ben90>i want KDE!
02:15<Sh3ll>aptitude -s install kde kdm
02:15<cahoot>so remove as per the advice from the bot
02:15<Sh3ll>Just type the damn command in a shell then.
02:15<fxiny>Ben90: that is your problem
02:16<Ben90>thats what ias planning to do
02:16<fxiny>Ben90: if you remove gnome and you screw you are on your own , just install kde , log in and remove gnome after
02:16<Ben90>but what command do i type?
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02:17<Sh3ll>Then do it, Check what fxiny just said, Only. itsn't aptitue but aptitude -> THIS COMMAND ->> aptitude -s install kde kdm
02:17<Sh3ll>So you get it 100%...
02:17<fxiny>Sh3ll: oh yes ,thanx ,one of my typos
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02:18<Ben90>it came back saying that it did not need to install anything
02:18<Sh3ll>and Ben90: keep in mind, people in here that help you are people that do it for free and they give up their spare time, so treath them wel..
02:19<Sh3ll>did you executed it as root?
02:19<Ben90>ok im sorry :(
02:19<Sh3ll>sudo apt-get install kde
02:19<fxiny>Ben90: aptitude -s install kde kdm does nothing , it just show you what will be installed , if you are happy type : aptitude -y install kde kdm
02:19<Ben90>do you want me to pasebin the output?
02:19<fxiny>is for your reference
02:20<fxiny>Ben90: that is a full kde install
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02:21<deniz>how do i remove applications i installed from .deb files? like how do i remove virtualbox for example?
02:21<Ben90>i did it and it came back with the same thing as before
02:21<Ben90>and yes im using the root terminsl
02:21<Sh3ll>Ben90: Does it ask: Are you sure? [y/n]
02:21<Sh3ll>Is it already installed?
02:21<Ben90>it does not
02:21<Sh3ll>kdm --version
02:21<Ben90>at all
02:21<stew>deniz: aptitude remove packagename
02:21<Sh3ll>Ben90: kdm --version
02:22<stew>deniz: (or apt-get remove packagename or dpkg -r packagename)
02:22<Ben90>1 sec
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02:22<hdon>hi everyone. any info on the recent SSL updates? i don't get the CHANGES notes
02:22<hdon>seems like it has affected a lot of dependant packages, whatever the change is
02:23<Ben90>it says : aptitude -y install kde kdm
02:23<Ben90>"--version" is an unknown option or is missing a parameter
02:23<Sh3ll>its already installed.
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02:24<Ben90>then what should i do now?
02:24<fxiny>hdon: changelogs in /usr/share/doc/openssl
02:24<deniz>stew, either way it says i dont have virtualbox installed
02:24<hdon>fxiny: do i have to update to read the changelog?
02:24<Sh3ll>Ben90: try: dpkg --configure -a kdm
02:25<Ben90>one sec.
02:25<hdon>fxiny: i guess i could download and extract that file from the package archive
02:25<Sh3ll>Ben90: wait.. wrong cms
02:25<Sh3ll>Ben90: dpkg --reconfigure -a kdm
02:25<fxiny>hdon: are you after CHANGES.SSLeay.gz ?
02:25<Sh3ll>Ben90: If everything goes well, it will ask for the default display manager, select kdm then
02:26<hdon>fxiny: i don't know. symantec package manager has a pane displaying "Changes" but it's empty
02:26<fxiny>symantec ?
02:26<hdon>fxiny: synaptec
02:27<hdon>third time's a charm
02:27<Ben90>its not working.
02:27<Sh3ll>Ben90: Ok, can you try to "log off" (switch user?) then "options" (click that, or such button) and then "session"->"kde"
02:28<Ben90>ok brb
02:28<fxiny>hdon: apt-cache show apt-listchanges
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02:29<hdon>fxiny: thanks, i'll look at using this
02:31<clarence>how to install xen?
02:31<clarence>I was try to use apt-get install to install, but it was faild
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02:32<Sh3ll>clarence: , Maybe you can do something with this?
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02:35<clarence>Sh3ll: I downloaded xen is the newest
02:36<Sh3ll>clarence: I never worked with xen, but i did some google'ing for you. Maybe?:
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02:36<Sh3ll>clarence: It seems detailed :)
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02:36<clarence>I was used Vbox
02:36<clarence> but it too waste RAM
02:37<Sh3ll>I think xen does too
02:37<clarence>could you suggest a VM for me?
02:37<hdon>apt-listchanges has options for having data piped from apt, but it's not clear from the man page how this is used. any help?
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02:38<Sh3ll>No. I dont have alot of experience with them, and since nobody else here responded to your question i just google'd some sites that maybe handy
02:38<clarence>hdon: what's apt-listchanges
02:38<hdon> apt-listchanges — Show new changelog entries from Debian package archives
02:39<clarence>do you updrade from etch to lenny?
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02:39<hdon>clarence: who are you talking to?
02:39<Sh3ll>hdon: Maybe apt-listchanges an.deb ?
02:39<clarence>can answer me question of the people
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02:40<hdon>Sh3ll: i'm asknig about apt-listchanges' --apt optino
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02:41<fxiny>clarence: dunno what you really need , ever tried a vserver ?
02:41<fxiny>i'm running it now on a PII 400 : 2.6.26-2-vserver-686
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02:43<clarence>fxiny:I want to know what VM is the best?
02:44<fxiny>best is always relative
02:44<fxiny>best for you , best for me , too vague
02:45<clarence>fxiny: best for every want to install the VM
02:45<shweppsie>clarence: qemu or kvm maybe?
02:46<clarence>shweppsie: I don't know how to use qemu
02:46<shweppsie>clarence: what do you need the VM for?
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02:46<clarence>who know how to use qemu or KVM?
02:46<clarence>shweppsie: for install xp
02:47<shweppsie>virtualbox is probably the easiest
02:47<clarence>shweppsie: anything else?
02:48<shweppsie>VM's will always use a lot of RAM. You are emulating a lot of hardware.
02:48<clarence>shweppsie: I was tried to install Office 2003 and VB2005 with wine
02:49<clarence>shweppsie: but it was not very well to use
02:50<shweppsie>Wine does have good support for a lot of windows software, but it only works so well.
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02:51<clarence>shweppsie: isn't good work for excel2003
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02:52<shweppsie>and what's wrong with running it in virtualbox under a windows guest os?
02:52<Sh3ll>openoffice calc?:-)
02:52<clarence>Sh3ll: I must to use excel just for school
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02:53<fxiny>oo-calc . i prefere gnumeric
02:53<shweppsie>clarence: can't you just save as xls format?
02:53<fxiny>it opens large microsoft spreadsheet faster
02:54<Sh3ll>shweppsie: sometimes(alot of times) excel doesn't open it correctly because "openoffice" doesn't save it correctly according to excel :<
02:54<clarence>shweppsie: but school teach and need to install a addon
02:54<fxiny>wine can do office , google for "wine lame duck contest" ;)
02:55<fxiny>but , gnumeric can certainly open any excel spreads
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02:55<clarence>I hate MS!
02:55<Sh3ll>still, VB2005 (virtual basic?) i dont see a linux alternative for that
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02:55<fxiny>try oo-calc and gnemric first
02:56<_BS_>Trying to run mondoarchive. Fatal error 'cannot loopmount ...'. 'may be missing support for loopfs or ext2 (or both). kubuntu 7.10, 2.6.22. What am I looking for to confirm presence/lack of loopfs?
02:56<clarence>Sh3ll: Vb2005 is Visual Basic 2005
02:56<fxiny>clarence: are you on gnome ?
02:56<Sh3ll>fxiny: But, he needs to learn to work with Excel according to school
02:56<Sh3ll>So theres really no way out, then really install office :<
02:56<clarence>fxiny: ? what meaing?
02:57<fxiny>Sh3ll: i did my hard workd long ago with wine and office '97 , now i have it b2zipped it and i'm not using it
02:57<clarence>Sh3ll: and that addon only support MS office2003
02:57<fxiny>clarence: lame duck contest ?
02:57<Sh3ll>clarence: Try virtualbox :) Ofcourse it will take much memory, but what school ask is what you guess
02:57<Sh3ll>what you get *
02:57<fxiny>clarence: is codeweavers stuff , not supported by debian
02:58<shweppsie>clarence: yer I'd go with Sh3ll on this one.
02:58<fxiny>pretty funny contest ;)
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02:58<Sh3ll>When will schools learn that theres an alternative?:<
02:58<_BS_>Schools won't, they get money from MS.
02:59<clarence>My school installed Linux too
02:59<fxiny>anyway , if you are talking school i can tell you wine can run just fine microsoft excel , but gnumeric does the same
02:59<Sh3ll>In my opinion MS is an shareholder of the economic crisis, if there products werent so expensive..... people would have more money left, and.... MS wouldn't get better atleast.
03:00<_BS_>There was a time when FOSS was penetrating the post-secondary schools in my area. In the last year or so I found that that had all changed - back to MS. The only reason could be financial.
03:00<Sh3ll>fxiny: But, the other application he/she needs to run is VB2005, do you know any alternative for that?
03:00<clarence>Sh3ll: He
03:00<_BS_>Can't blame it all on MS - if the people buying the products wouldn't ...
03:01<Sh3ll>_BS_: true, but if nobody shows them alternative, or if they wont listen.
03:01<clarence>_BS_: beause windows is design for end use
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03:01<Sh3ll>The only thing you need to say "Its virus free! it works faster, it can do stuff windows can't" etc. and most ppl still ignore it.
03:02<fxiny>Sh3ll: i'm not interested anymore in wine , the lame duck contest makes me laughing . she could visit codeweavers site for a list of wine supported apps
03:02<Sh3ll>I'd love to recommend clarence linux application's, but if there's no alternative for VB2005 what can i say, shamely i should say "Try virtualbox with windows"..
03:02<_BS_>The alternatives are out there, they know they are. I don't have the answer. I do know that part of the problem is people want to share their docs with whatever 'the standard' is. Whatever people are used to. And .. you can't wean them off Outlook.
03:02<clarence>I'm worry about linux will be a emulate machine
03:03<Sh3ll>clarence: I think linux will be fine, as long as your not constanly switching machine? although it depends on your mem
03:03<fxiny>clarence: everyone likes open-office suite , i like gnumeric , which is a top spreadsheet .
03:04<_BS_>It's possible the increasing prevalence of vm will be useful ... talk around the local LUG is now run xp in a vm for those apps you don't have any choice about. Used to be the only answer was dual boot or give up.
03:04<clarence>fxiny: Lots of people think open source = free
03:04<clarence>I'm not kidding
03:04<_BS_>Lots of people thing FOSS = don't trust it. That's the perception to change.
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03:05<fxiny>clarence: i was saying just yesterday how debian can help in this economic situation providing top class scientific and maths applications
03:05<Sh3ll>clarence: How much memory do you have?
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03:06<clarence>Sh3ll: Just 512MB
03:06<clarence>Sh3ll: I'm using NB(laptop) Asus M9V
03:06<Sh3ll>clarence: and your planning to run winXP home?
03:06<fxiny>clarence: no bullshit , some 10 years ago you could not find a foss spreadsheet like gnumeric , only microsoft had it
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03:07<clarence>Sh3ll: no, xp pro
03:08<Sh3ll>It requires according to 64MB mem atleast
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03:08<clarence>Sh3ll: ?
03:08<Supaplex>~lart winxp
03:08<fxiny>clarence: go to codewearvers , read the wine supported list
03:09<clarence>fxiny: what's codewearvers ?
03:09<Sh3ll>clarence:;psum (I suggest you install virtualbox and create a VM and install windows, and give it atleast 128MB mem?)
03:09<Supaplex>am I in the right channel? ;)
03:09<fxiny>clarence: google for "wine lame duck contest"
03:09<Sh3ll>fxiny: I'd understand about what you mean with gnumeric etc. But VB2005 is also important for his school
03:10<clarence>Sh3ll: I'm downloading Vbox
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03:10<Sh3ll>clarence: if i'm correctyly you can apt-get it ?
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03:11<clarence>Sh3ll: what meaing?
03:11<Sh3ll>clarence: nvm, they have debs
03:11<clarence>Sh3ll: nvm?
03:11<Sh3ll>clarence: nvm -> nevermind
03:11<fxiny>Supaplex: no , you are on planet claire :P
03:12<grummund>Hi, I installed drupal6 and now i get this:
03:12<grummund>anyone know what's needed to get a basic setup running from the stock debian install?
03:12<Sh3ll>clarence: also check up with they gave a handy explanation if you get errors etc
03:13<clarence>how to install programs?
03:13<Sh3ll>clarence: how do you mean?
03:13<Sh3ll>clarence: How to install virtualbox?
03:13<clarence>Sh3ll: no
03:14<fxiny>never tried virtualbox . qemu is easy to install
03:14<clarence>fxiny: teach me how to use
03:14<Sh3ll>Virtualbox is handy and easy to use :-), Atleast in my opinion
03:14<clarence>fxiny: how to use is important
03:15<Sh3ll>Sorry guys, i gtg eat. Good luck clarence :-)
03:16<clarence>how to make my clock be correct time
03:16<Supaplex>fxiny: oh. okay. thanks for clearing that up. :o)
03:16<clarence>every time I install debian, the time always wrong
03:16<fxiny>clarence: last vm i playee with was a vmware , i wanted to enlarge the virtual drive and converting fat to fat32 , it can be done quite easy
03:17<fxiny>Supaplex: b52 ;)
03:17<clarence>fxiny: I always use ntfs
03:18<fxiny>clarence: you can use ext3 rock solid fs from windows
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03:19<fxiny>i mean . loading stuff sotred in your debian ext3 partition when in windows
03:20<clarence>fxiny: RFS is better
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03:23<clarence>I have a problem
03:23<clarence>I install the VBox, the status
03:24<fxiny>clarence: microsoft got a 388 million dollars fine , for copying anti pirate software , lately . they want to sue linux for using a pathetic fs called fat . linux has many fs , ext3 is rock solid , is free and should be used instead of any microsfot fs
03:25<fxiny>microsfot is ok ;)
03:25<clarence>is Error: Conlicts with with the installed package virtualbox-2.2
03:26<clarence>I install Vbox have Error: Conlicts with with the installed package virtualbox-2.2
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03:28<fxiny>oh , 388 is too much ? i bet they will apply for a bailout :P
03:29<clarence>I have trouble
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03:31<clarence>I have decided to use wine to try
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03:33<clarence>or KVM
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03:36<fxiny>clarence: got to this site : , thay have a seearch engine . type qemu in it or whatever you want
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03:37<fxiny>clarence: like this :
03:37<fxiny>good tutorials
03:38<clarence>I was saw a article about install with wine
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03:38<nicholas_>hello. i don't suppose the libffi-dev maintainer is here?
03:38<clarence>an article
03:39<nicholas_>i can't seem to make a simple "#include <ffi.h>" or variations to preprocess.
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03:43<Sh3ll>clarence: By the way, you can synchronise your time with NTP (sudo apt-get install ntp || sudo apt-get install ntpd)
03:44<clarence>I'm installed
03:44<Sh3ll>Your of ntpd or virtualbox?
03:44<Sh3ll>ntpd or virtualbox *
03:45<Sh3ll>What did you installed?
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03:46<clarence>virtualBox installed failed
03:46<Sh3ll>/etc/init.d/ntp start
03:46<Sh3ll>What error did you get with virtualbox?
03:46<Sh3ll>I told you about right? It displays some errors with fixes
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03:47<clarence>say again
03:47<Sh3ll>clarence did you saw my last message ?
03:48<Sh3ll>with the debian wiki site?
03:48<clarence>Sh3ll: yes
03:48<petern>nicholas_, ffi.h is in /usr/include/i486-linux-gnu/ffi.h
03:48<clarence>I'm switch to irssi
03:48<Sh3ll>Good choice, although i think XChat is also a good choice
03:48<nicholas_>petern: so indeed it is; libffi-dev being the only package to include /usr/include/i486-linux-gnu. gcc certainly doesn't look there...
03:49<Sh3ll>Only @Work i use irssi :)
03:49<clarence>Sh3ll: no
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03:49<clarence>Sh3ll: it was cut the message what you said
03:50<petern>nicholas_, that seems wrong, but i don't know anything about it
03:50<Sh3ll>"I told you about right? It displays some errors with fixes"
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03:51<petern>in libffi4-dev it is in /usr/include, as you'd expect
03:51<clarence>How to install Kvm?
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03:53<clarence>I uesd apt-get install kvm was failed!
03:53<Sh3ll>clarence: I suggest you keep focussed on VirtualBox
03:53<clarence>Sh3ll: VBox install failed too
03:53<petern>that does not look fun to use...
03:53<Sh3ll>Because something fails, you got to fix it right? not ignore the problem and replace it with another
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03:54<Sh3ll>clarence: Thats why you need to fix it, and i think, I as many others here are able and willing to help you
03:54<nicholas_>petern: very strange. i'll reportbug it and let the maintainer explain it if there's a good reason for this.
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03:55<nicholas_>i can't write a configure script to detect libffi on debian systems if it's not in a standard place
03:55<petern>in etch it is not system dependent
03:55<Sh3ll>clarence: What i mean. it fails, and now were going to make it work alright?
03:55<Sh3ll>Atleast try to get it working
03:55<clarence>Sh3ll: I know
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03:56<Sh3ll>So what was the error?
03:57<clarence>Sh3ll: the error is Conflicts with the installed package'vitualbox-2.2'
03:58<Sh3ll>So you have virtualbox installed? (atleast thats what the error says)
03:58<clarence>Sh3ll: no
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04:07<clarence>I'm install Vbox success!
04:08<Sh3ll>I'm gonna play Wolfet(yeah! linux version, free!) for a bit :P
04:08<EmleyMoor>Does anyone know a way to add form fields to a PDF made by scanning a paper form?
04:08<clarence>Sh3ll: is that fun?
04:09<clarence>Sh3ll: How to get one
04:09<Sh3ll>clarence: its an old game (it came out around 2000) but it sure pwns
04:09<Sh3ll>Google, WolfET linux
04:10<Sh3ll>And it will give you a mirror when you succeed, then install it (read the readme) and then play it :)
04:10<clarence>Sh3ll: how about offical site?
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04:10<Sh3ll>It has it too but just google it :P
04:10<Sh3ll>But i'm logging off from my BNC so:)
04:10<clarence> I found
04:11<Sh3ll>Good, you can simply install it :)
04:11<clarence>Sh3ll: I was install assaultcube
04:11<Sh3ll>assaultcube ?
04:12<clarence>Sh3ll: ys
04:12<Sh3ll>The game is 300mb big :P
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04:12<clarence>Sh3ll: but it dayton is playing up
04:13<clarence>dayton is playing up
04:13<clarence>Sh3ll: not work well
04:13<Sh3ll>I never heard of dayton :o
04:14<clarence>Sh3ll: I cannot find the mirror from offical
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04:15<clarence>Sh3ll:but I found it at softpedia
04:16<clarence>Sh3ll: not install file
04:16<Sh3ll>clarence: type this in your console: wget
04:16<clarence>Sh3ll: How to install
04:17<Sh3ll>clarence: Its a game of 300mb depends on your internet connection how fast.
04:17<clarence>Sh3ll: I'll download at my school
04:17<Sh3ll>clarence: chmod +x || ./
04:17<Sh3ll>if you note that in a text editor and save it our so :P
04:18<clarence>Sh3ll: what's ||?
04:18<Sh3ll>clarence: Oops, you need to remove one |
04:18<clarence>Sh3ll: how abou another
04:19<petern>oh, wolfenstein enemy territory
04:19<Sh3ll>clarence: chmod +x | ./ (the | takes care you may execute another command)
04:19<Sh3ll>yeah petern you play it too?:D
04:19<petern>and you mean && not ||
04:19<Sh3ll>Maybe, but i always do | (egg ps aux | grep apache ) xD
04:19<petern>that's a pipe...
04:20<Sh3ll>clarence: so replace the | with &&, my faults. sorry
04:20<clarence>Sh3ll: I still don't know what you say
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04:21<Sh3ll>clarence: When you've got the downloaded game you type in your console in the directory were it is: chmod +x && ./
04:22<clarence>Oh I see
04:22<Sh3ll>clarence: You understand it now? it makes the installer executable, and then it runs the installer :-) it might be you have to run the installer as root, but the installer will tell you that :)
04:22<clarence>Sh3ll: ok
04:22<clarence>Sh3ll: how to play?
04:23<Sh3ll>Just in your menu
04:23<clarence>Sh3ll: Understand
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04:23<Sh3ll>clarence: applications -> others -> Wolfenstein enemy territorium
04:24<Sh3ll>I'm loggin off from my bnc now, cya
04:24<clarence>Sh3ll: How to download in windows xp(what mirror can use in windows)
04:24<Sh3ll>Sh3ll: WindowsXP isn't free. You should buy it or pirate it
04:24<clarence>Sh3ll: where to download in windows xp(what mirror can use in windows)
04:24<Sh3ll>i meant clarence
04:25<clarence>Sh3ll: download linux edition on windows
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04:26<Sh3ll>clarence: you need a windows iso/cd
04:26<Sh3ll>clarence: but windows isn't free
04:27<clarence>Sh3ll: I said download linux edtion on windows
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04:27<Sh3ll>Windows doesn't have a linux edition
04:27<clarence>Sh3ll: not download windows edition
04:27<Sh3ll>Theres only one edition
04:27<Sh3ll>You just run the windows edition in the virtualmachine
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04:28<Sh3ll>clarence: And if your school wants you to use it, tell them you run linux and you dont have windows. They should give a valid windows or else they are forcing you (against your will) to run windows
04:28<clarence>Sh3ll: I meaing I download Linux edition at my school and install in my computer
04:28<Sh3ll>whats against the law lol
04:28<Sh3ll>Sh3ll: About what are we talking now?
04:28<eric_>Anyone know of a good program I can use to tinker with the internals
04:29<clarence>Sh3ll: can you tell me how?
04:29<eric_>or do I have to use an assembly program
04:29<Sh3ll>clarence: Sorry i misunderstanded you, you just download on windows the linux file and you get it somehow to your own pc
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04:29<clarence>Sh3ll: yes
04:29<eric_>like I just wanted to know how to use binary with linux
04:29<eric_>i figured this was the best place to ask
04:30<simonrvn>wtf is a linux edition?
04:30<Sh3ll>You download at school this one:
04:30<simonrvn>eric_: binary what?
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04:30<Sh3ll>simonrvn: We're talking about a game.. calm down
04:30<eric_>my computers
04:30<simonrvn>ah, that wolfet thing, ehatever it is
04:30<simonrvn>Sh3ll: i'm prefectly calm dude
04:30<clarence>Sh3ll: need password
04:30<Sh3ll>Good, because you said "wtf" which is counted as swearing
04:31<Sh3ll>clarence: You dont need a password, its a public FTP
04:31<Nemoder> is latest version btw
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04:31<eric_>who made the first program
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04:31<clarence>Sh3ll: I try that link on my computer
04:31<Sh3ll>Nemoder: True, but most servers play on 2.55
04:31<eric_>how does my computer understand gcc?
04:31<simonrvn>eric_: do you have a debian question?
04:31<Sh3ll>clarence: Did you received my PM, because i invited you to the gameserver i always play on :-)
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04:32<eric_>debian make any gnu programs
04:32<clarence>Sh3ll: no
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04:32<Sh3ll>clarence: use ctrl + left arrow to see it
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04:32<Sh3ll>and use it so switch channels etc.
04:32<Sh3ll>or right arrow, just what you wish:)
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04:33<clarence>Sh3ll: failed
04:33<Sh3ll>Nemoder: you play it too? lol:P
04:33<Sh3ll>How do you mean?
04:33<simonrvn>eric_: do you have a debian question?
04:33<Nemoder>I mostly play savage2 now :)
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04:33<eric_>what program can use to edit with binary
04:33<eric_>to program with bionary
04:34<eric_>never mind
04:34<eric_>sorry I bothered you
04:34<Sh3ll>eric_: Please answer to simonrvn question. Nobody can help you without you beeing helpfull to others
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04:34<clarence>Sh3ll: I use , but I did'nt saw it
04:34<Sh3ll>hmm weird
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04:34<simonrvn>i didn't think he did ;).
04:34<Sh3ll>First get the file ok?:)
04:35<clarence>Sh3ll: ?
04:35<Sh3ll>First get the installer :-)
04:35<Sh3ll>clarence: Later i'll help you further ok?:)
04:35<clarence>Sh3ll: I did'nt reciecve anything
04:35<Sh3ll>clarence: You have the link right? i just gave it in public chat here
04:36<Sh3ll><Sh3ll> You download at school this one:
04:36<Sh3ll>Its a public FTP server so no authorisation required nor login stuff
04:36<clarence>Sh3ll: yes
04:37<Sh3ll>So if nobody minds me going now?:P
04:37<clarence>Sh3ll: ?
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04:37<Sh3ll>clarence: I'm logging of my BNC (google: wikipedia bouncer networking)<- if you dont know what it is. :-) cya
04:38<clarence>how to install google toolbar for debian?
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04:40<clarence>Sh3ll: sorry, I'm a Chinese
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04:41<clarence>Sh3ll: need google toolbar to translate
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05:00<TommyBres>anyone in here?
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05:01<TommyBres>hm, compared to #ubuntu this is realllly dead :P
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05:20<dougsko>EmleyMoor: gimp is probably a better app for that
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05:20<EmleyMoor>dougsko: Never mind, sorted it now... I have found gimp pretty poor for adding my own toxt which I am also doing
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05:32<mrb>Hey... Anybody had any luck with MacBook Pro's TrackPad supporting the 2 fingers ??!
05:32<EmleyMoor>"the 2 fingers"? (never used a MacBook)
05:33<mrb>it has no right button. So we put 2 fingers and click instead of the right button !
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05:40<vizor>hi guys!
05:41<vizor>does anybody know when linux-headers-2.6.29-2 will be added to mirrors?
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06:35<fosstux>Hi! How can I improve the bash tab completion?
06:36<fosstux>what I mean is apt-g<tab> i<tab> openoff<tab>
06:38<alephnull>fosstux: Enable bash-completion.
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06:59<dougsko>EmleyMoor: a2ps -1 -o- --sides=<num_of_sides> -SDuplex:<true|false> <file> | lpr -P <printer>
07:00<dougsko>EmleyMoor: thats how ive always done it anyway
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07:01<EmleyMoor>dougsko: Thanks, will bear it in mind - -o sides=two-sided-long-edge on the lpr works well too
07:01<clarence>I can't download wolfstet
07:03<clarence>how to upgrade from etch to lenny
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07:03<clarence>how to upgrade from etch to lenny by cd
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07:04<bremner>clarence: isn't that covered in the Release Notes?
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07:05<fordseagull>anyone here an awk guru? :)
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07:05<bremner>!tell fordseagull about ask
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07:06<clarence>I was downloaded the iso, not burn it yet
07:08<fordseagull>Is there a way(using sed/awk) to: search for a string, then print whatever field the string is found in? (not print the whole line( the field will be different in each example
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07:08<bremner>clarence: you have no network on your etch machine?
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07:08<clarence>yes, but too slow
07:09<Kei_Linux>I have a question. I downloaded Conky via apt-get and according to the terminal it installed but I can't find it now.
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07:10<bremner>clarence: anything helpful in ?
07:11<EmleyMoor>If I install nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 is that intended to get me ready built modules when necessary? I've been building them with m-a up to now
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07:12<bremner>clarence: see in particular
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07:16<duhongbo>is anybody here
07:16<EmleyMoor>Yes - now ask a real question
07:17<duhongbo>so alignments
07:17<duhongbo>is it have to ask some question
07:18<EmleyMoor>If you are seeking help you need to tell us what with - clearly and concisely
07:18<EmleyMoor>!tell duhongbo about ask
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07:20<duhongbo>oh ,i have no question now
07:20<duhongbo>i just install xchat right now
07:21<EmleyMoor>Ah, right
07:21<EmleyMoor>That's fine then
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07:21<xFORCE>congrats, for joining this
07:21<duhongbo>and didn't know what's it used for
07:21<duhongbo>so i com in
07:21<EmleyMoor>It's an IRC client as you may have worked out
07:21<xFORCE>you R welcome
07:22<duhongbo>thank you
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07:22<duhongbo>nice to meet you
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07:22<kp_duck>Hi, my nvidia drivers failed to build yesterday and no longer have a working system... Thanks there is already a new driver version uploaded to "pool" according to the maintainer. However, none of the repositories have it! Not even the Where should i look?
07:23<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
07:24<clarence>where can download ATI Mobility Radeon X600 SE Driver
07:24<clarence>that's my video driver
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07:26<clarence> where can download ATI Mobility Radeon X600 SE Driver linux edition
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07:28<clarence>who can answer my question?
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07:28<xFORCE>let me see
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07:30<clarence>I forgot the driver name
07:30<xFORCE>maybe this link work for you:
07:30<clarence>My driver is ATI Mobility x600 se
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07:32<clarence>How to install that driver?
07:32<gsimmons>clarence: RV380 chipsets are supported by the 'radeon' xorg driver, packaged for Debian stable as xserver-xorg-video-radeon.
07:32<xFORCE>let me see
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07:32<xFORCE>Automated installer and Display Driver
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07:33<bremner>gah, don't use the ATI binary driver if the xorg one works
07:33<clarence> still don't know
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07:33<bremner>clarence: did you read what gsimmons said?
07:33<clarence>gsimmons: I don't know what you say
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07:34<xFORCE>Automated installer and Display Drivers for X.Org 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, or 7.4
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07:34<xFORCE>maybe it means it has no conflicts with xorg
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07:35<bremner>xFORCE: any out of repo driver has problems by its very nature. If the xorg driver doesn't work, then consider the manufacturer's driver
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07:36<Signius>bremner i am having a nightmare with an older ati card and debian lenny
07:36<xFORCE>oh yes, you are right
07:37<Signius>xrandr refuses to detect proper resolutions for the card
07:37<clarence>bremner: yes, but I still confuse
07:37<bremner>clarence: do you understand how to install a debian package?
07:38<clarence>bremner: no,
07:38<clarence>bremner: I don't know
07:38<bremner>clarence: you used etch, but never installed a package?
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07:38<Signius>bremner do you know how to resolve this ati debian lenny issue ?
07:39<bremner>clarence sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
07:39<clarence>bremner: Iwas install software by synapics
07:39<bremner>clarence: so use synaptics to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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07:39<bremner>Signius: I'm not really an expert. Did you read the man pages for radeon and radeonhd drivers?
07:40<bremner>Signius: i.e. is your chipset supported?
07:40<Signius>i read have read tonnes of stuff and none of the suggested fixes worked so far
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07:40<Signius>Its a Ati Radeon 9200 Pro
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07:40<clarence>bremner: how to use synaptics to install ?
07:41<Signius>clarence use aptitude install package name or apt-get install package name
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07:42<bremner>Signius: and you are using driver radeon?
07:42<Signius>to be honest i am not sure what state its in now i done so many changes i will have another look
07:42<Signius>I am very very close to dumping lenny and going back to the previous version
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07:44<Signius>ah ok "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-radeon" gives "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
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07:45<bremner>Signius: that doesn't mean xorg is using it. Check the logs in /var/log/X.blh.blah.blah
07:46<Signius>ah right you onto something because no matter how i edited xorg.conf it wasnt using what was in xorg.conf
07:46<clarence>where do I know debian install method?
07:46<clarence>when I downloaded the program
07:47<bremner>clarence: you are close to being ignored, be patient
07:47<Signius>clarence what type of package have you downloaded ?
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07:47<xFORCE>clarence : google that , it would not be hard
07:47<clarence>I want to know all of the install method
07:48<Signius>yeha good luck with learning every type of method then lol
07:48<bremner>clarence: apt-get, aptitude and synaptics are the main ones.
07:48<bremner>clarence: they all use dpkg underneath.
07:48<Signius>or if is a .deb dpkg -i packagename
07:48<clarence>when use apt-get install failed?
07:49<clarence>it always be
07:49<xFORCE>clarence : maybe you haven't set your apt/sources.list yet
07:50<bremner>clarence: those are not debian packages.
07:50<clarence>where can make more
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07:50<clarence> see you tomorrow
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07:52<Signius>What a tool LOL
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07:55<bremner>now, now, be nice. At least he isn't blaming debian for his problems
07:56<Signius>yeah godo point
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07:58<fabiodepin>know lists dansguardian to lock ?
07:59<fabiodepin>I know, need know if something
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08:10<Signius>bremner this is the full log
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08:14<Signius>I will confess i do not know much about X almost all the linux boxes are servers and dont have any GUI
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08:14<bremner>Signius: nothing jumps out at me.
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08:15<Signius>Soemthing has definately changed with how debian detects the display settings between lenny and the previous version
08:15<bremner>Signius: if you add the mode you want by hand, does it work?
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08:15<Signius>it didnt yesterday but i cant recall if xrand -q was showing 1200x1200 as maximun in the list the highest is 1200x800
08:16<Signius>and i want 1280x1024 in 32bit colour
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08:17<thechris>does anybody know how I can only allow localhost to access a specific site (/server-status) at my lighttpd
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08:20<vitamin4o1>hello all
08:20<vitamin4o1>somebody who have working exim4 with mysql (virtual users and domains)
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08:21<vitamin4o1>is this possible with debian lenny ?
08:21<vitamin4o1>with exim4-daemon-heavy ?
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08:27<thechris>ok i got it..
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09:39<salavip>olas uñas negras
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09:45<liword>anyone know why i lose my default gateway everytime after i restart networking by type /etc/init.d/networking restart
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09:46<Signius>liword are you on DHCP or Static
09:46<bcoca>if you just add the route in the command line it doesn't get saved anywhere
09:47<liword>so how to save it?
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09:52<hatebreeder>vgrdg bcgf xebfgd
09:53<Lethias>Is there a way without reinstalling to add more space to my /usr directory. I have another hard drive installed.
09:53<hatebreeder>format /y c:
09:54<djc>are you using lvm?
09:54<mjt>Lethias: there definitely is a way, but it's not simple
09:54<Signius>Lethias if your using LVM you dynamically resize
09:55<djc>well.. if a particular *part* of your /usr is taking most of the space, (for instance, /usr/share or /usr/lib ) make a new partitition for that subtree, move its contents, and mount the partition there
09:55<mjt>but i'd just copy /usr into a new hard drive, update /etc/fstab and reboot.
09:55<stevecotton>Lethias: the other way is to just split /usr over two partitions. find a subdirectory that you feel like moving, move it to the new drive, and then either symlink (man ln) or bindmount (man mount)
09:55<djc>or you can do that, too
09:55<Signius>Lethias you could probably boot to a gnuparted live cd and resize it that way
09:55<djc>then use the old /usr partition for something else.. maybe /tmp, if nothing else
09:55<Lethias>I might just put usr on another partition.
09:56<mjt>this is the simplest and safest way i think
09:56<djc>that might be the simplest.. home big is your /usr currently?
09:56<mjt>djc: you're not that active in the other channel... :)
09:56<Lethias>home is 64gb and usr is only 6.5g
09:56<djc>what other channel
09:57<Lethias>debian set it that way.
09:57<djc>hrm.. how much is use on /usr ?
09:57<djc>My /usr is 9G and only using 3
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09:57<Lethias> /usr
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09:58<djc>/usr doesnt grow much.. there isnt any real pressing need to increase it if you are 3.9 of 6.5
09:58<djc>pretty much only when you install new packages
09:58<djc>logs are in /var, and all your personal data should be under /home
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09:58<Lethias>yea i installed to many packages before
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09:58<Lethias>i installed a bunch
09:59<djc>you know you can always remove stuff you arent using
09:59<Lethias>just uninstalled most of em
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10:01<Lethias>the only thing is that the entire system is on one partition and the home directory is in its own.
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10:01<djc>but yeah, its always less painful to leave plenty of space for partitions right when you install
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10:01<djc>/usr isnt seperate?
10:01<djc>its on / ?
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10:01<djc>Ok ok.. then yeah, you need to make a seperate /usr
10:02<Lethias>ha ha sorry
10:02<djc>I threw 10G at it on my 300G drive
10:02<Lethias>i was wanting to do like 20 gig
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10:02<djc>thatd be way plenty.. a bit overkill, but if you can spare the space go for it
10:03<djc>make new partition, mount it at something like /usr-new, copy existing contents of /usr with cp -dpRv, then go single user and switch the mount points
10:04<mjt>how about moving everything to that new drive, btw?
10:04<mjt>use cp -a
10:04<mjt>or cp -ax
10:04<djc>btw, if this is a fairly recent install it might be less work to just reinstall from scratch again
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10:04<djc>adjusting part sizes a bit
10:04<Lethias>:( its not
10:04<djc>esp if you have home seperate already
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10:05<djc>save contents of /etc somewhere, use dpkg to make a list of installed packages,
10:05<djc>then reinstall, without reformatting /home, then reinstall packages and put configurations back
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10:06<djc>system config is all in /etc, and all user specific config are in dotfiles in /home
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10:11<jthomas>Is there any way to manually insert a line into the dmesg output? I'd like to mark a position to see what gets added after that mark
10:13<djc>jthomas, there should be timstamps,
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10:13<djc>at least as of lenny
10:13<jthomas>this is Debian 4.0, no time stamps
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10:14<djc>you need a util that uses printk()
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10:15<djc>logger might be able to do it
10:16<jthomas>i'll look at that, thanks djc
10:16<mjt>logger will not inject into KERNEL log buffer
10:16<mjt>it goes to syslog daemon, not to kernel.
10:17<djc>another option would be to do something that does log there, but that isnt part of what you are looking at
10:17<djc>then use that as a landmark in the output
10:17<mjt>there's /dev/kmsg
10:17<mjt>you can echo something into there
10:17<djc>not on my mnachine
10:18<mjt>crw-rw---- 1 root root 1, 11 Apr 13 17:04 /dev/kmsg
10:18<djc>right.. i typod
10:18<jthomas>so "echo "jthomas mark 2009 09 18" >> /dev/kmsg perhaps?
10:18<djc>and that did work, yes
10:18<mjt>i use it in my initramfs to cath stuff from pre-boot
10:19<jthomas>that worked on my local system, I'll try it there, thanks!@
10:20<jthomas>worked there also, thanks
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10:20<liword>ok it works,thx for help.
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10:21<mjt>return -ETOOMANYTHANKERS ;)
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10:23<vitaminx>does anybody know if there's an alsa specific irc channel?
10:24<mjt>#alsa on freenode
10:24<vitaminx>ok thanks
10:24<mjt>it's always this way -- either here or on freenode
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10:37<vitaminx>does anyone know how to run jackd and flashplayer in parallel (until now flashplayer gives no output when jackd is running)
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10:42<paradoxtma>this the right place to ask questions?
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10:43<gravity>paradoxtma: It's a support channel for Debian, if that's what you mean
10:43<paradoxtma>that's what i mean
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10:46<c36pop>hi i have a problem installing network-manager invoke-rc.d: initscript network-manager, action "start" failed.
10:46<c36pop>does anybody have a solution ?
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10:51<paradoxtma>when i run gl-117, tremulous, or sandbox, my usb mouse x-axis sticks all the way to the right
10:51<paradoxtma>where should i start looking to fix this?
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10:55<kp_duck>Hi, I am having issues with my nvidia drivers (bugs 523716 523757 523764). There is a patch as reported on, but I cannot find the download anywhere. Please, where can I find it?!
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11:03<FoxM>hi. I have just installed an update for the linux-image from 2.6.16-1 to 2.6.16-2 but now I want to remove the 2.6.16-1 image. Is it safe to remove the package and the headers ? If I do that, the gspca package asks the image as a dependency, but it seems that the gspca is now integrated in the kernel because the webcam works as normal
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11:05<fxiny>FoxM: what uname -a says ? 2.6.26-1 or 2.6.26-2 ?
11:06<FoxM>fxiny: 2.6.26-2-amd64 :)
11:06<fxiny>just to make sure you are running the new one
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11:08<FoxM>fxiny: yes, I have just configured the nvidia and virtualbox kernel modules for the new linux kernel. Now I think I can remove the old one safely, but I just want to be sure ;)
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11:08<fxiny>FoxM: is gspca-modules-2.6.26-2-amd64 installed ?
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11:09<djc>heh.. im in the middle of trying to identify what I need to install for vbox to be able to compile its modules
11:09<FoxM>fxiny: no... but that's strange... the webcam works
11:09<deadcat>whats the largest IDE drive size?
11:09<djc>largest where?
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11:10<deadcat>djc: in GB
11:10<djc>well the largest I have is a 200G
11:10<djc>im not sure what the largest neegg carries
11:10<djc>or the largest WD or seagate make
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11:11<djc>hence 'largest _where_'
11:11<deadcat>i dont have sata so i have to stick with ide
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11:11<paradoxtma>i've seen them up to 500G
11:11<djc>deadcat, i think your answer is "go shopping"
11:11<paradoxtma>deadcat check for some great deals
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11:25<djc>I installed grub 2 a while back.. I'm wondering if there was any good reason to do so
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11:25<djc>Seems to be little documentation, too bleeding edge
11:25<deadcat>grub 2 is so confusing to configure...
11:26<deadcat>i read somewhere its easy... F that.
11:26<djc>its not really that big a deal.. the only hing on here is debian
11:26<hdon>i predicted this in an article i wrote over a year ago
11:26<deadcat>me too. but i cant get the splashimage to show. and other stuff that was easily edited in grub1
11:26<hdon>Two graduate students at the Ivy League's Brown University built a P2P system to use abandoned wiki sites to store data. The students were stealing bandwidth from open MediaWiki sites to send data between users as an alternative to BitTorrent."
11:27<djc>but.. an an entirely other machine (its a work machine). The machine currently has win. 2000 I think..I want to install debian on a second drive. And I either do not want to modify the first drive at all, and instead use a floppy to boot to debian
11:27<djc>or, if I put grub on, I want it *completely* invisible to boot by default to windows
11:28<hdon>i wrote about this possibility in an article on service-agnostic mediation layers that would hide servers/services from users and provide them with a generalized user abstraction to broke in raw resources behind the scenes
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11:28<hdon>feels good to be right
11:28<djc>seems like you could swap gdrive's to do the same thing
11:28<djc>and google probably wouldnt are about the bandwidth.. encrypt it and then the riaa wont be able to do anything either
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11:29<djc>anyway, this other machine can use grub1, or lilo or whatever.. I dont care.. the key thing, is that I want it setup so that unless I am there and intentionally do anything, anyone else booting it wont know its anything other than a stock winbox
11:29<hdon>exclusion as a means of privacy still decreases network efficiency. it will be some time before before that's an ideal answer, djc
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11:30<hdon>also gdrive and even storing data on wikis are only two rather benign examples of the idea of "resource service agnosticism"
11:30<paradoxtma>djc can you select a specific hard drive to boot from in the BIOS on that machine?
11:30<djc>not sure
11:30<djc>its not in front of me at the moment
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11:31<djc>probably not.. its not that new a machine
11:31<djc>its a P3
11:31<djc>Just for the record, when installing debian from CD, I *do* have the option of telling it NOT to install grub, right?
11:32<djc>or any bootloader, for that matter
11:32<djc>paradoxtma, and yeah, i see where you are going with that.. I'll have to check next time I can
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11:35<hdon>djc: a pentium 3?
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11:36<hdon>djc: i've never seen an OEM with a P3 that didn't come with a BIOS capable of selecting boot priority
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11:37<paradoxtma>you can select boot priority, but some BIOS will only let you boot to the first available hard drive
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11:37<hdon>paradoxtma: so what's the problem?
11:38<djc>Im sure it can choose CD, HD, floppy
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11:38<djc>I know it *doesnt* boot usb
11:38<djc>heck the mobo only has usb 1.1
11:38<deadcat>i just upgraded from my P3 800mhz desktop recently.
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11:39<djc>There is a machine currently with windows on it, on the first HD. I want to install debian on the second HD, but I want it to not only boot by default into windoze, but I dont even want it to be apparently it has anything else
11:39<djc>no grub prompt, nothing
11:39<paradoxtma>the problem with that is if you have 2 OS's on 2 separate drives, it will only boot to the first one it finds (IDE0, master)
11:39<djc>id be happy to use a floppy or cd to boot into debian
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11:39<djc>paradoxtma, again, I havent checked yet.. I will tonight
11:40<mjt>windows boot loader can load other OSes
11:40<mjt>it's quite advanced
11:40<djc>i dont want to modify windows at all
11:40<paradoxtma>hdon: or did you mean MY problem?
11:40<djc>or its boot sequence
11:40<mjt>djc: one line in boot.ini is all that's required.
11:40<djc>i want the fact that there is a debian install on another hd to be as invisible as possible
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11:40<djc>no menus, no prompts.. nada
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11:41<hdon>paradoxtma: use GRUB, problem solved, right?
11:41<mjt>it will only be shown when you hit <F8> during boot
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11:41<djc>id really rather not even have it show there
11:41<FoxM>hi. What would you recommend? debTorrent or apt-p2p? why?
11:41<Washi>sb should modify the channel toppic; etch 4.08 is out
11:42<mjt>djc: you can also use custom mbr from debian, - i even think it's exactly what you need.
11:42<djc>to be honest, i would prefer not to modify the mbr on the first drive at all
11:42<mjt>djc: tell it to boot 'doze by default without any prompt/wait. You will be able to activate it by hitting <shift> during boot.
11:42<djc>or anything on the first drive
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11:43<mjt>well.. good luck to you finding the solution when ;)
11:43<djc>and if someone decides to format the first drive and reinstall windows, i'd still like a way to boot to debian
11:43<mjt>there will be a way for sure
11:43<paradoxtma>djc if you tell debian to install to your second drive, it shouldn't touch anything on the first drive
11:43<djc>well the key is finding a way to boot it..
11:43<fxiny>djc: do you have a floppy drive ?
11:44<djc>it should
11:44<fxiny>install grub on it
11:44<djc>floppy boot would be just fine
11:44<djc>any tricks to that?
11:45<mjt>just install grub to a floppy
11:45<djc>can it be done right from debian installer?
11:45<djc>yeah but it needs to know what hd to boot
11:45<mjt>you'll tell it
11:46<djc>i seem to recall that using a bit awkward syntax
11:46<djc>you know what... Lemme play with this in virtualbox
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11:47<ludovic>salut la foule
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11:48<fxiny>djc: mke2fs /dev/fd0 ; mount it : #grub-install --root-directory=/where/you/mount/it '(fd0)' . you can adf a menu.lst ; umount it
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11:49<mjt>and don't forget to make a copy ;)
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11:51<djc> --root-directory tells it where to install, not where the root directory of the system its going to boot is?
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11:51<djc>ok.. like I said, im gonna play n a vbox
11:51<mjt>root directory of the system is specific to each boot entry in menu.lst
11:52<fxiny>mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mount/point
11:52<mjt>but i'd use --root-directory /boot/grub still.
11:52<fxiny>not in a floppy
11:52<mjt>so it'll boot from floppy but look for menu.lst etc in the hard drive
11:52<djc>if owhen installing debian on hdb, if I tell it not to install grub, will it still ... ok
11:52<fxiny>real men do tab :P
11:53<djc>will debian still write a normal menu.lst even if I tell it not to install grub?
11:53<mjt>menu.lst gets written by update-grub which gets run if you tell to install grub.
11:53<mjt>tab completion
11:53<fxiny>wanna drive a windows user crazy ? boot with a grub floppy by tabbing and then check your mail telnetting ;)
11:54<mjt>me? no
11:54<fxiny>djc: tab for manual booting with grub
11:55<mjt>djc: btw, you can let the d-i to install grub on hdb. it will not touch hda.
11:55<djc>i guess my big Q im gonna have to see, is once Ive got grub booted off the floppy, im sitting there at a grub prompt, knowing what to tell it to boot hdb
11:55<mjt>that's why i suggested --root-directory=/boot/grub
11:56<djc>to be honest, id like to have it saved on the floppy so it goes right in
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11:56<fxiny>you can add a menu.lst to the floppy and you can edit at will
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11:57<mjt>and don't forget to do that when updating kernels. When *changing* kernels anyway.
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12:03<fooblargh>when running X at 1920*1080, i get _huge_ fonts, no matter if i am using KDE or GTK applications/\
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12:03<fooblargh>where can i change that?
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12:04<djc>ok what exactly is the debian logo supposed to be, anyway
12:04<deadcat>just a swirl
12:05<deadcat>not suppose to be anything other than that.
12:05<fxiny>the universal logo
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12:05<hdon>if anyone was interested in resource service agnosticism
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12:06<paradoxtma>in my gnome desktop, system sounds are enabled and setup, and the system thinks they're working fine, but none of them play. this is the only sound problem i have, any ideas?
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12:13<user0>Hello, am having problems pinging from my new bind server I setup
12:13<user0>I can ping it by IP but it won't resolve
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12:15<user0>I basically followed and did section 4, 6, 7, and 10
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12:16<hdon>user0: try this
12:17<hdon>user0: host
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12:17<hdon>user0: tell me if it works
12:17<user0>host command not found
12:17<user0>command host that is
12:18<user0>I did a network install and unchecked everything at the start
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12:18<hdon>user0: uh, are you using debian? the host command should come in the default install
12:19<user0>Ya debian 5.0 command not found =\
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12:19<hdon>user0: apt-cache search bind9-host
12:19<hdon>user0: i'm running 4.0 still, so i don't know the 5.0 packages
12:20<hdon>user0: probably apt-get install bind9-host
12:20<hdon>user0: very small package, only the host command and man page
12:20<user0>bind9-host version of host bundled with bind 9.x
12:21<hdon>dpkg -L bind9-host | grep host
12:21<dpkg>No packages found matching bind9-host | grep host
12:21<hdon>did you find the package or not?
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12:21<hdon>that was the dpkg bot
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12:21<hdon>ok so try: dpkg -L bind9-host
12:21<marth>hi all, since there doesn't seem to be anyone in #postgresql and I'm on Debian, I hope I can ask the question here
12:21<hdon>apt-get install bind9-host
12:21<marth>I want to change the startup directory of postgreesql
12:22<marth>right now, it says Error: /var/lib/postgresql/8.1/main is not accessible or does not exist
12:22<user0>k, heh it is trying to resolve
12:22<marth>this is true, because it's somewhere else
12:22<marth>I tried changing PGDATA (export PGDATA=...) but that doesn't seem to have any effect
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12:23<leonardo_>Hi, I have a problem. Since some days I can't change the date on Debian. It's locked and I can't unlock. Look the screenshot:
12:23<hdon>user0: ok a temporary fix for your name resolution will be to get this into your /etc/resolv.conf
12:23<hdon>user0: the opendns i always use is
12:24<leonardo_>this screen is better:
12:24<HellTiger>leonardo_, man ntpdate
12:24<hdon>user0: but your /etc/resolv.conf might be overwritten by the networking manager if something happens to make it do that
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12:24<leonardo_>HellTiger: But I need to discover why I can't unlock
12:24<hdon>user0: do you know how /etc/resolv.conf works? it's pretty simple just to look at it
12:24<user0>OK I can ping now let me get the package
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12:24<hdon>user0: ok well we don't need that package
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12:24<hdon>user0: you only needed the host command to test what you now have, haha
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12:25<hdon>user0: anyhow uh, your computer is probably not getting a usable DNS server from DHCP -- is your LAN using DHCP?
12:25<user0>But if this server is just a DNS server should I point resolv.conf to itself or does it matter
12:25<user0>I set a static address
12:25<user0>This is a bind server I am building
12:25<hdon>ah well that's your problem. what knid of ISP do you have?
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12:25<leonardo_>HellTiger: Not only with date I have the problem.
12:25<hdon>ah, cool
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12:25<HellTiger>leonardo_, ntpdate will set the time for you
12:26<d3co>how can i apply brutal force to access !!???
12:26<user0>So I am basically trying to make sure DNS is working and if I can't resolve DNS from the server itself I am not confident that bind is working at all
12:26<dpkg>hello, d3co
12:26<leonardo_>HellTiger: Understand. But I think I have a problem that I can't unlock any program that need root password
12:26<hdon>user0: funny that you should be setting up a bind server and not know where to look to troubleshoot a DNS resolution problem :\
12:27<HellTiger>leonardo_, wich programs dont work?
12:27<hdon>user0: i've never set up bind, so i don't know if bind uses /etc/resolv.conf or not
12:27<hdon>user0: but everything else on your system will use it
12:27<hdon>user0: what kind of internet do yuo have?
12:27<john_>can anyone tell me how to "In terminal, navigate to this directory and type ./flashplayer-installer to run the installer."
12:27<user0>3Mbit covad
12:27<hdon>john_: the "cd" command is how you "Change Directories"
12:27<hdon>john_: if you type "cd /" then you will be in "/"
12:28<hdon>john_: if you type "cd /home/john" you will be in "/home/john"
12:28<hdon>user0: ok well your ISP should probably have provided you with the IP addresses of their DNS servers which will be faster than OpenDNS
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12:28<gunavara>hey anyone configured vsftpd with mysql users and can help me a bit? i keep getting "login failed" after doing everything like this tutorial: ?
12:28<hdon>user0: you should know that OpenDNS is non-standard and they add some extra "features." some like them, some don't. but if you're running bind, you should really read about it!
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12:29<hdon>user0: you planning on spending $185k on ICANN's latest scam?
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12:30<hdon>gunavara: i'm looking at the tutorial now
12:31<gunavara>thanks hdon
12:31<djc>hdon, Surely they arent letting random noobs with a linux box on a DSL connection register tld..
12:31<user0>hdon: I think I know what you are talking about but what are you refering to again
12:31<gunavara>i keep getting login incorrect but i did it exactly like they have written it
12:31<melkart>is it possible that it was forgotten to update the debian-500-i386-netinst.iso image? because it seems not to fit to the latest hd-media installer images, which were updated on saturday.
12:31<HellTiger>leonardo_, you can run: kdesu programname, it will ask for root password, to start programs as root.
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12:32<djc>melkart, .iso is for cds or dvds
12:32<Absolut-Vodka>ya kelkun
12:32<hdon>djc: i don't think they care about anything but the money and their PR -- they don't ask what kind of connection you have
12:32<melkart>(when i use them i get a message that the kernel doesnt fit or sth)
12:32<HellTiger>leonardo_, i do this with the control center to change locked mouse settings, for example
12:32<djc>Absolut-Vodka, ?
12:32<melkart>djc: i want to use the method of putting the netinst image on a hard disk partition, then boot into it using grub and the hd-media images...
12:32<Absolut-Vodka>ca va ?
12:32<hdon>user0: ICANN is now accepting applications for arbitrary TLDs (mysite.whateveriwant)
12:32<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
12:32<chealer>!tell Absolut-Vodka about fr
12:33<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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12:33<user0>hdon: nice, I'm not a baller like that
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12:33<hdon>gunavara: run md5sum /etc/vsftpd.conf and tell me the result
12:33<djc>user0, you are setting up a DNS server?
12:33<user0>djc: correct
12:34<d3co>!hi, how can i apply brutal force to access !!???
12:34<hdon>je ne parle pas en francais :(
12:34<melkart>there was supposed to be a minor version bump for lenny due on saturday. but the images are still from february... is that supposed to be?
12:34<djc>you are looking to provide name resolution for connectivity customers? Or you are looking to provide authoritative service for registered zones?
12:34<hdon>djc: maybe he is setting up his own TLD for people on a VPN ;)
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12:34<gunavara>posted it
12:34<gunavara>in priv message hdon
12:35<hdon>gunavara: ok, that's correct. did you install mysql today just for vsftpd?
12:35<mtc>if there are errors when updating debian software repositories (, then is there an email address that I can contact?
12:35<djc>there are so many broken and misconfigured DNS setups out there, and so many people so badly confused about how DNS works and what its supposed to do and/or why they want to run one, I like to jump anytime I see questions about DNS
12:36<gunavara>fresh mysql php5 and all stuff
12:36<gunavara>in LAMP tutorial
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12:36<hdon>gunavara: do you know SQL at all?
12:36<chealer>melkart: more or less. releases are done manually and things are inconsistent for some time
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12:36<gunavara>not really but it's explained how to use it and everything was ok until the login part :)
12:37<hdon>gunavara: or so it seemed ;)
12:37<gunavara>yea that's right too :)
12:37<hdon>gunavara: have you restarted vsftpd?
12:37<gunavara>any ideas ? (i did only as it was explained in the link i gave you, nothing by myself)
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12:37<gunavara>several times aswell as mysql
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12:38<hdon>gunavara: assuming you have not entered any sensitive passwords into your database yet, can you show me the result of SELECT * FROM accounts; ?
12:38<melkart>chealer: thx
12:38<gunavara>check priv
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12:51<john_>someone shoot me a site on how to install the ati drivers...a site with no assumed knowledge
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12:52<john_>time to switch to ubuntu
12:52<bremner>john_: which ati drivers, the binary ones from ATI?
12:52<jthomas>'aptitude search kde' returns a big list of stuff; what do the various Aptitude codes mean on the far left of the search results? 'c' or 'p' or 'i' or 'v'...
12:52<john_>yes sir
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12:53<bremner>john_: can't help with that, but there ought to be docs on the site where you got the drivers
12:53<jthomas>john_ i don't think a switch to ubuntu, just for 3d-enabled drivers, is worth it...
12:53<john_>i was joking
12:54<dpkg>hmm... at is a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. austria
12:54<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>.
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12:54<bremner>!tell john_ about fglrx
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13:01<gunavara>hdon, is the man !
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13:10<hdon>those tutorial sites like could eliminate a lot of their problems if they had a javascript dialog to parameterize their code excerpts before you start working. then people wouldn't make mistakes of copying and pasting default/example values!
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13:12<jcole>how does firefox in debian "generate" or "obtain" its trusted certificate database? i want to insert a trusted certificate there, systemwide for all users
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13:18<gunavara>hdon, got some more time ?
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13:19<ga_bash>which is a good chm viewer... for linux?
13:20<alemani>ga_bash: kchm
13:20<ga_bash>alemani, i use gnome..
13:21<djc>that doesnt preclude one from using kde applications
13:21<djc>I use gnome too. I also use k3b for burning optical discs
13:22<alemani>I too use gnome on lap kde on desk
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13:22<alemani>that's the good thing about *nix
13:22<djc>I will note I use WindowMaker as my wm, however
13:23<djc>and no Nautilus
13:23<djc>files arent supposed to be little pictures you click on
13:23<djc>they are names in a list returned by ls
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13:24<alemani>ga_bash: gnochm hope will do the trick on gnome
13:24<djc>chm is a horrid format anyway
13:24<ga_bash>alemani, all right i would try.
13:24<ga_bash>djc, i totally agree with you.
13:25<djc>only lame windows programmers lock their documentation up in such a thing
13:25<ga_bash>but i have no choice. the book i am looking for. is not available in pdf. been looking for an hour.. (phew)
13:25<djc>what book
13:25<alemani>I agree w/ you djc all chms should be converted at least to PDF
13:25<djc>book? in chm. omg
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13:26<hdon>gunavara: perhaps, what's up
13:27<ga_bash>djc, dns and bind by oreilly
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13:28<gunavara>how can i change the collations in mysql from unicode_swedish to utf8_general_cl
13:28<gunavara>or something like that
13:29<alemani>gunavara: globally or for a specific database ?
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13:29<ga_bash>i guess this is gonna interest you.. alemani ,djc
13:29<gunavara>in all the db
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13:29<alemani>ok then edit my.cnf
13:29<alemani>with the following
13:30<Supaplex>;your mom.txt
13:30<alemani>under the section [client] default-character-set = utf8
13:31<alemani>and under the section [mysqld] datadir = /var/lib/mysql
13:31<alemani>tmpdir = /tmp
13:31<alemani>language = /usr/share/mysql/english
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13:32<alemani>uder the section [mysqld] character-set-server = utf8
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13:32<gunavara>nomather where i write it there ?
13:32<gunavara>like under language and above "skip-external-locking
13:33<alemani>it doesn't matter
13:33<alemani>as long it's under the right section
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13:33<alemani>ga_bash: let's see
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13:34<wildude>Hi there!! I seem to be having a remarkably difficult time of struggling with aptitude.
13:34<alemani>ga_bash: looks promising...
13:34<Signius>Is there a way to manually edit the options xrandr presents because it incapable of detecting the correct values for my Ati 9200 pro
13:34<gunavara>alemani, thanks i did this, restarted mysql and my vsftpd database is still
13:35<ga_bash>alemani, i told you :)
13:35<wildude>First, it seems incapable of actually finishing a session. Of late, all that it has consented to do is to download the .deb files to be installed; when it finishes this, it just sits there and hangs. I have to control-C out of it, rather than the much more usual procedure of typing a q or three to get out. What is more, it isn't saving the state of any files I picked while doing so, either.
13:35<alemani>gunavara: let me paste mine
13:36<mtc>have you tried changing the repositories wildude?
13:36<gunavara>do it on priv not to spam channel here
13:36<wildude>Moreover, aptitude seems to have a problem with a program -- install-menu -- from which it typically gets nine Errors 14 each time I install it.
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13:38<wildude>Still further, there is a set of seven script files sitting off in /etc/menu-methods from which it typically gets fourteen signals 11, too. All of this is happening on an AMD64 machine. I went so far as to pull up my computer's CMOS screen on the way into booting, all on the supposition that it was a timing issue. I must say that cutting the memory speed down halfway was no help at all. :)
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13:38<alemani>chack taht one
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13:39<wildude>So my great big huge question is: Does anyone here have any idea what is going on with this machine?
13:39<wildude>MTC: Nay, I haven
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13:39<mtc>trying to use the git command "submodule" but I get an error saying this is not a valid action - is another version of git that handles these high-level commands?
13:39<wildude>MTC: Nay, I haven't found any reason to do that yet.
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13:40<gunavara>alemani, i checked it
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13:40<gunavara>and its the same
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13:41<alemani>gunavara: well I just checked the variables and it's ok set all to utf-8
13:43<gunavara>can i paste u in priv 2 rows ?
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13:45<alemani>gunavara: check this one
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13:47<gunavara>how did u get that to show it ?
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13:49<gunavara>i've fixed it thanks alot!
13:50<Signius>Ah right i think i am making some progress with the xrandr and radeon issues and not detecting correct resolutions
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13:50<Signius>It seems to be that xrandr doesnt support certain drivers so i think i need to address that problem first to resolve the correct screen resolutions
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13:51<Signius>i dont know how long debian been using xrandr but they need to get this sorted out coz alot of people are having these issues with lenny
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13:53<alemani>gunavara: what was it ?
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13:55<wildude>mtc: Now I have changed repositories. No change in behavior, though. :/
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13:56<signius>:) That's better on IRC on the actual debian box
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13:56<cesurasean>I upgraded to lenny, and now I'm getting PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
13:56<cesurasean>any clue how to fix this?
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13:57<mtc>signius: you'll want to get in contact with the people behind for xrandr issues, I suspect
13:57<Supaplex>cesurasean: upgraded from etch? I'm on etch, and apt-file doesn't know about that path. perhaps your repos are non debian.
13:57<Supaplex>+lfs implies linux from scratch?
13:58<mtc>wildude: seem to remember there is an dpkg command you can run to fix local corruption
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13:58<cesurasean>how do I install curl?
13:58<wildude>mtc: If you're talking about dpkg --configure -a, I
13:58<Supaplex>!tell cesurasean -about search
13:58<wildude>mtc: If you're talking about dpkg --configure -a, I've tried that dozens of times.
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13:59<Supaplex>then aptitude install <package...>
13:59<mtc>wildude: sorry - not able to help further then
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13:59<alemani>cesurasean: have you tried apt-cache search / apt-get install ?
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13:59<marth>hi all, I have a question
13:59<wildude>mtc thanks very much anyway!! :)
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13:59<marth>I'm trying to compile a program and it says: /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/Makefile:126: *** Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 4.3.2 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.1.3.
13:59<marth>any ideas how I can fix this?
14:00<cesurasean>can someone send me
14:00<marth>(unfortunately, I really need vmplayer and can't use virtualbox)
14:00<signius>mtc, yes maybe but for the moment i just need to get it working before i can either file a bug report or fully document ont he wiki or forum how to solve this problem becase its very common
14:00<Supaplex>cesurasean: with, or without malware? (think about what you're asking)
14:01<signius>mtc, i am by no means a xorg guru pretty much all my linux boxes dont even have a gui
14:02<cesurasean>I found the package
14:02<signius>how can i see what driver debian is using and if its wrong to i change it in xorg.conf ?
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14:02<mtc>signius: this information about the driver used will be in the x logfile
14:02<alemani>signius: you mean video driver ?
14:02<alemani>if so lokk at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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14:03<signius>alemani, yes
14:04<signius>yeah i been through all that a million times with people in here about the log files and it doesnt show anything wrong :(
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14:04<mtc>signius: for example, on my system, the Xorg.0.log says, Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
14:04<marth>hum... never mind, I changed gcc-4.1 to a symlink to gcc
14:04<signius>ok i will have a look
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14:06<mtc>is there a specific channel for getting help with creating debian packages?
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14:07<mtc>signius: you see the driver there?
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14:11<signius>yes Driver "radeon" and i think it should be RV280 for a Radeon 9200P Pro
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14:12<signius>ah no actually it looks correct it knows it a 9200 pro
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14:12<mtc>signius: you are using the radeon driver, also known as the ati driver
14:12<mtc>signius: Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
14:13<mtc>signius: you might also consider using the other open source driver for your card, radeonHD
14:13<mtc>signius: that is if you are looking for 3D support
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14:14<gunavara>alemani, got some more time ?
14:14<kazaoul>i have one problem with debian install on raid 1 poweredge 1950
14:14<kazaoul>i get grub error 2
14:14<alemani>gunavara: what's up ?
14:14<signius>To be honest i just want the correct resolutions debian worked fine on this box before updated to lenny something is borked in lenny that is screwing up how it correctly detects
14:14<gunavara>i need some help with an mysql entry is it ok if i ask u in priv not to spam here
14:15<alemani>gunavara: go ahead
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14:22<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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14:29<cesurasean>anyone have a clue why apache is giving me this error? Warning: SuexecUserGroup directive requires SUEXEC wrapper.
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14:29<cesurasean>I have the same setup on another server, and it's not giving me that error
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14:32<junix>i just tried to load Lenny onto a Dell Poweredge 1950, it can't find the Broadcom network chipset, what do i need to do?
14:32<azeem>junix: probably it's missing firmware
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14:32<junix>missing firmware?
14:32<junix>how so?
14:32<junix>i hate to say it, but it works in windows
14:33<junix>do i need to download the drivers from Broadcom?
14:33<stew>junix: yes, becuase windows doesn't have a problem including non-free software
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14:33<stew>junix: there is a firmware-bnx2 package in non-free
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14:33<junix>stew: ok, what do i need to do?
14:33<junix>this is a new install
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14:34<azeem>!installer firmware
14:34<dpkg>The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See and
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14:38<cesurasean>I seem to be having an issue with this bug that seems to already be fixed by the dev.
14:39<cesurasean>I keep getting Warning: SuexecUserGroup directive requires SUEXEC wrapper. from apache
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14:47<jcole>does firefox/iceweasel in debian obtain its certs from /etc/ca-certificates.conf (update-ca-certificates) ?
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14:47<jcole>or even /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
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14:55<chealer>junix: which Broadcom network chipset?
14:55<junix>chealer: i have no idea
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14:55<junix>whatever came in the dell
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14:57<cesurasean>how would I check suexec configuration to find out what the home directory is set as?
14:57<chealer>junix: start by determining which Broadcom network chipset your PC has.
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15:04<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
15:04<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian Linux distribution based on <Knoppix>. Website: User Forums: #kurumin @
15:04<Ben90>how do i add rpm repositories to kpackage?
15:04<azeem>Ben90: you don't, Debian is deb based
15:04<Ben90>how do i convert rpm packages to .deb
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15:05<makke>Ben90: i think you dont want to use any rpm package
15:05<makke>better get a deb from the official repos
15:06<cesurasean>or compile from source
15:06<makke>cause the debs from the repo are supported
15:06<azeem>Ben90: because rpm packages have not been tailored to your system
15:06<cesurasean>rpm is redhat based
15:06<Ben90>i know that.
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15:06<Ben90>i just want to see what redhat has to offer
15:07<cesurasean>if you can't find a deb, then you can always try the source code.
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15:07<azeem>Ben90: try redhat then
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15:07<bremner>Ben90: install Fedora in a virtual machine?
15:07<cesurasean>try redhat or centos then
15:07<bremner>3 part harmony!
15:07<cesurasean>good idea bremner
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15:08<Ben90>how do i use alien package tool
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15:08<awarefish>I am downloading Debian, but there are 5 DVD .iso in there. Do I need all of them or will DVD#1 just suffice.
15:08<azeem>awarefish: #1 will suffice
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15:08<bremner>Ben90: did you read the alien man page?
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15:08<azeem>awarefish: your question mark was missing a question
15:09<awarefish>Yes, Ok. Thanks for the assistance.
15:09<Ben90>one sec
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15:14<junix>hey everyone thanks for the help with NIC card in this dell, here is my next question, i have 4GB of ram on this system with a single Core 2 Quad, what is the rule for swap space?>
15:14<hdon>junix: Network Interface Card card!
15:14<junix>hdon: thanks, i knwo what NIC stands for
15:14<bremner>junix: depends on load
15:14<Washi>junix, there is no strict rule
15:14<hdon>junix: because i educated you
15:14<bremner>,slap hdon
15:15<junix>bremner: its going to be mostly an FTP server, but has potential for web as well
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15:15<hdon>junix: the swap rule is: if you processes allocate more memory than you have swap space + real RAM, you cannot allocate any more
15:15<Washi>I think the installer will have its word
15:15<bremner>junix: well, disk space is cheap
15:15<mjt>just keep it some 4 or 8 gigs and be done with it.
15:15<junix>bremner: i have 3 73GB in a RAID 5
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15:15<hdon>(is the + real RAM part right? or does all RAM that isn't the kernel's have to be mapped to swap?)
15:15<bremner>so you won't miss 8 G
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15:16<Washi>8G is a lot
15:16<hdon>bremner: probably wasteful to put swap on RAID
15:16<junix>hdon: is it worth it?
15:16<junix>i'm going to be building a seperate web server as well
15:16<hdon>junix: is it hardware raid?
15:16<junix>SAS RAID
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15:16<hdon>junix: i would just get another HD and use that for swap
15:17<junix>hdon: it came with 3, i'm not ordering another just for swap
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15:17<bremner>and maybe boot
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15:17<mjt>no reason for another hd. it will not be used most of the time anyway
15:17<hdon>junix: do whatever you want my good man :)
15:17<Piet>hi, i need to setup some kind of one-click recovery solution (and automatic backup) for a debian system. i need/want this for my mom's desktop (linux first timer), to make that rm -rf / safe. the backup should not be a real backup but just a copy of all relevant data to a recovery partition.
15:17<Washi>junix, yo could have a read here
15:17<hdon>ideally, really, it should never be used. 8 GB is a *lot* for an FTP server
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15:18<Piet>(but the OS should restore itself automatically, too)
15:18<alemani>Piet: myabe rsync ?
15:18<junix>Washi: thanks
15:18<hdon>Piet: i have that same idea
15:18<hdon>Piet: have you looked at virtualization?
15:19<hdon>Piet: i've had the idea for some time to give my parents a virtualized system that they can restore with one click, or roll back easily
15:19<Piet>hdon: hmm, did not really consider that, since it's a desktop
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15:21<Piet>running a desktop from within a Xen DomU is a pain, and i can't think of another virtualization technology that would achieve it. did you make any experience, yet?
15:21<hdon>Piet: i would like to start a debian-based distro for this purpose. people could run virtualized Windows XP or Mac OS X systems without having to worry so much about antivirus and malware
15:21<mjt>Piet: just don't give her the root password
15:21<hdon>Piet: all their documents could be located on a separate versioned/backedup filesystem
15:22<hdon>Piet: no this is all theoretical. what is a pain about that?
15:22<Piet>she's not going to run windows but linux, either debian or ubuntu
15:23<Piet>not giving away the root password combined with storing data on a versioned FS could indeed do the trick
15:23<hdon>Piet: well one of my aspirations for this theoretical distro would be to get people to start using Linux because it would be easy for them to switch between Windows and Linux, or run both systems and run an X server on their Windows system
15:24<Piet>as long as the OS won't "stop working"
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15:24<mjt>i used to run some diskless 'doze systems this way here
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15:24<mjt>fsvo "this"
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15:24<hdon>fsvo = a versioned filesystem kernel module?
15:25*Piet junt wanted to ask
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15:25<mjt>booting into linux (pxe, nfs), and running windows in kvm from a disk image located on the network.
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15:25<hdon>mjt: sounds good to me
15:26<mjt>no versioned etc stuff, in fact no local/personal data at all (but it's trivial to do using samba)
15:26<hdon>mjt: you have any advice for anyone wanting to duplicate your efforts?
15:26<mjt>no advise. it's slooooow. ;)
15:26<hdon>yeah i was thinking to use samba for that
15:26<hdon>ugh :(
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15:26<hdon>even on modern CPUs with virtualization support?
15:26<jcole>Piet: setup gdm auto-login and dont give sudo password... she cant touch anything outside /home (except /tmp) so the OS will be just fine
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15:26<mjt>kvm only runs on modern cpu
15:26<mjt>all the probs are due to the graphics card.
15:27<jcole>fyi, if kvm works on your CPU -> grep vmx /proc/cpuinfo
15:27<mjt>ie, it's semi-ok for office tasks (for which i actually used it)
15:27<Piet>jcole: unless partitions fill up or that OS breaks itself by a package upgrade...
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15:27<mjt>Piet: use separate partition for /home
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15:27<mjt>jcole: that's for intel. for amd it's svm
15:28<jcole>Piet: what mjt said, along with /tmp
15:28<jcole>mjt: oh
15:28<Piet>right, that would help with the partition running full but not with the OS shooting itself into the foot.
15:28<hdon>mjt: hmm, so it's difficult or impossible for virtualized systems to take advantage of hardware acceleration on the host machine?
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15:28<mjt>hdon: kvm will be able to pass the whole graphics card into guest, i think
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15:28<hdon>mjt: ah, well what did you mean then?
15:29<hdon><mjt> all the probs are due to the graphics card.
15:29<mjt>because it WILL be able
15:29<mjt>not IS able
15:29<mjt>got the diff? :)
15:29<hdon>oh, you mean in the future kvm will have this ability?
15:29<Piet>i was rather thinking along the line of a seperate partition which would contain a regularly updated snapshot of /home, and a small recovery system which, when booted, would use debootstrap to reinitialize the main system, then copy the /home partition back there
15:29<jcole>Piet: well, if you ever wanted to restore the "OS" and its "settings", you need the list of debain packages installed ("OS") and the debconf database ("settings")
15:29*hdon sighs
15:30<Piet>jcole: hmm right, she could install new packages of course, hadn't thought of that.
15:30<Piet>but both of that should be easy to fix
15:31<mjt>Piet: by the way, usually /home is much larger than anything else - think movies, photos and the like. So backing up whole system together with /home makes no difference really ;)
15:31<mjt>like, the whole running system is about 2g. compress that into some 500megs.
15:32<Piet>mjt, right, but it can be problematic to backup a running system, no?
15:32<mjt>(may be larger depending on the packages installed)
15:32<jcole>Piet: to restore a full debian system (minus /home/) all you need is 2 text files (packages and debconf)
15:32<mjt>i don't see why problematic.
15:32<hdon>fsvo = for some value of?
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15:32<mjt>jcole: not only debconf db but whole /etc really
15:32<mjt>hdon: yes
15:33<jcole>Piet: of course, if you did anything outside debconf (edited /etc/files) then that also
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15:33<jcole>Piet: heh
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15:33<jcole>Piet: what mjt said
15:33<christo>vad jör du
15:33<Piet>thanks for your help everyone
15:34<jcole>Piet: dselect is your friend
15:34<Piet>this is not #debian.rot13
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15:34<mjt>. o O { aptitude }
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15:34<Piet>jcole: dselect is my enemy
15:35<christo>du är dum!!!!!!!!!!!!
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15:35<Piet>yes i am very dumb
15:35<mjt>hi christo
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15:40<Ben90>how do i get the sound to work in zsnes through alsa?
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15:40<Ben90>im running debian lenny
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15:41<hdon>Ben90: i think i had to compile it with SDL
15:41<Ben90>and the sound in zsnes is not working at all except in sdl which is very choppy
15:41<hdon>that sucks :(
15:42<Ben90>i just want zsnes to work in alsa mode
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15:43<Ben90>is that even possible to compile it in alsa mode?
15:43<Ben90>however you would do that
15:43<Ben90>how do you compile zsnes in sdl
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15:43<gunny_17>Has anyone here installed "truecrypt" in Debian? it comes in a .deb package.
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15:45<Ben90>i don't want zsnes to run in sdl i want it to run in alsa output
15:46<Ben90>can someone help with zsnes sound in alsa mods
15:46<Ben90>cuz sdl my box is very choppy
15:47<Ben90>sdl sucks
15:47<Ben90>its like the latency in sdl mode is not set right
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15:49<Ben90>is anybody here?
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15:50<hdon>Ben90: sorry
15:50<Ben90>ok my bad
15:50<hdon>well it sounds like you already have SDL mode available
15:50<Ben90>so have you figured out how to make zsnes run in alsa
15:51<hdon>i think i might have had similar problems actually, i think i fixed it by playing around with the sound options
15:51<hdon>like, i think it's just a matter of the sound processing being too expensive for me
15:51<hdon>how fast is your CUP?
15:51<Ben90>how would i go about that without affecting other apps
15:51<hdon>ha, that's my speed as well
15:52<hdon>yeah you'll need to play around with the sound options in zsnes
15:52<Ben90>1 sec
15:52<hdon>.001 thz
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15:53<Ben90>when i start smw it has no sound at all
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15:53<Ben90>it usually makes a coin noise
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15:53<hdon>are you using SDL sound?
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15:54<Ben90>but it doesn't do it at all
15:54<hdon>use SDL sound
15:54<hdon>and play with the options to make it not suck
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15:54<hdon>enable frame dropping, too
15:54<hdon>turn frame dropping way up
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15:54<hdon>turn down all the options to make it as fast as possible, then gradually turn the options back up that you want
15:55<hdon>if you want actually you can have my zsnes config
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15:56<hdon>i had to disable stereo sound
15:56<hdon>that was it
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15:56<hdon>Ben90: i remembered
15:57<hdon>Ben90: you need to disable stereo sound
15:57<hdon>Ben90: i think that's what fixed it for me
15:57<hdon>Ben90: edit ~/.zsnes/zsnesl.cfg
15:57<hdon>Ben90: set Stereo = 0
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15:57<hdon>Ben90: see if that fixes things
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15:57<Ben90>my zsnes glitched out my system and i had to zap the session in order to fix the error
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15:58<hdon>Ben90: you know Control+Alt+Backspace right?
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16:00<cesurasean>does anyone have a clue about the Warning: SuexecUserGroup directive requires SUEXEC wrapper.?
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16:01<Ben90>i tried what you said and it crashed
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16:01<Ben90>it blacked out
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16:02<Ben90>i say zsnes is too buggy
16:02<hdon>maybe the DOS version can run under DOSBox
16:02<Ben90>i'm using zsnes ver 1.51
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16:02<SuperSpy>im having an odd issue with samba on my etch box; when i copy from the server to a windows machine, it copies at some abysmal rate like 50k/s, but when i start a second copy in parallel both go up to normal speed, somewhere between 8-10MB/s (on 100M ethernet) anyone seen anything like this before?
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16:03<hdon>wow crazy Supaplex
16:03<Ben90>hdon, is there a way to get zsnes to work with alsa
16:03<hdon>i don't know
16:04<hdon>Ben90: try snes9x?
16:04<SuperSpy>ive seen a few posts around where people talk about it, but nobody says how they fixed it (other than installing another os =/)
16:04<Ben90>can someone help me make zsnes work with alsa
16:05<Ben90>does it have a gui
16:06<Ben90>hdon, does snes9x have a gui or frontend
16:06<hdon>donny@teamspace:~$ apt-cache search snes9x
16:06<hdon>snes9x-x - X binaries for snes9x - Super NES Emulator
16:06<hdon>gsnes9x - GNOME front-end for snes9x
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16:06<hdon>SuperSpy: can you link me to some of those forums?
16:07<deniz>is there ANY application that would allow for simultaneous two-way webcam/mic conversations on debian squeeze?
16:07<deniz>on the MSN protocol
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16:08<SuperSpy>actually i havent read the bugreport page, i read some older mirror of it off google groups
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16:09<hdon>SuperSpy: this page seems to say it's fixed
16:09<Ben90>hdon, does snes9x have a GUI/Frontend?
16:09<hdon>Ben90: donny@teamspace:~$ apt-cache search snes9x
16:09<hdon>snes9x-x - X binaries for snes9x - Super NES Emulator
16:09<hdon>gsnes9x - GNOME front-end for snes9x
16:09<Ben90>for kde
16:10<SuperSpy>would there be a patch for etch? the machine is about a year old, and 'apt-get upgrade' doesnt list a samba update
16:10<hdon>SuperSpy: etch is oldstable. you should upgrade.
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16:11<elops>stew ?
16:11<stew>elops: yes?
16:11<SuperSpy>oh heh, lenny
16:12<SuperSpy>:facepalm: i knew that
16:12<elops>what was your first linux?
16:12<elops>was it before slack 3.0 ?
16:12<azeem>elops: please keep it on topic
16:12<SuperSpy>is there a way to upgrade that in place, or do i have to reinstall?
16:12<elops>a friend was impressed by stew
16:12<azeem>SuperSpy: read the lenny release ntoes
16:12<elops>but he couldn't recall which linux you told him it was
16:12<azeem>SuperSpy: but yes, an upgrade in place is possible
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16:13<Ben90>hdon, is there a SNES Emulator for KDE
16:13<SuperSpy>thanks =)
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16:14<hdon>Ben90: you must be able to help yourself to some degree Ben90. you can see the command i used: apt-cache search snes9x
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16:14<hdon>Ben90: you try it
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16:14<Ben90>yeah i did
16:14<hdon>Ben90: then tell me if your version of debian has a KDE front-end
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16:14<cahoot>Ben90: what you see is what you can get
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16:15<hdon>Ben90: this is first google result i got:
16:15<hdon>item #4: ksnes9x
16:15<hdon>you will haev to build it from source probably if it's not in apt-cache search snes9x
16:16<Ben90>ok 1 sec.
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16:17<Ben90>it says it couldn't find package ksnes9x
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16:19<hdon>Ben90: <hdon> you will haev to build it from source probably if it's not in apt-cache search snes9x
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16:19<Ben90>ok how do i do that?
16:19<Ben90>im new.
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16:20<Supaplex>SuperSpy: are all your ethernet ports/devices using autonegioation?
16:20<Patrick>was some guy called Kojiri kicked from here just now? Noobish, aggro, what?
16:20<hdon>Ben90: it's not really a task for newbs
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16:21<hdon>Ben90: i could explain it to you, but i am distracted right now, and it will take a long time to explain
16:21<hdon>Ben90: but to give you a basic idea...
16:21-!-seto [] has joined #debian
16:21<hdon>Ben90: software does not start out as machine code that your CPU can run, it starts out as "source code" that humans can read and write
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16:22<Ben90>yeah i know that much
16:22<Ben90>so where do i get it?
16:22<hdon>Ben90: Debian like many other so-called "GNU/Linux distributions" makes our lives easier by carefully "compiling" (transforming "source code" into "machine code") and configuring and testing popular software for us
16:23<hdon>Ben90: when apt told you "package not found" that was because it didn't have the package you wanted -- no one has added it to debian (at least not your version)
16:23<hdon>Ben90: so you'll need to go find the source code and try to compile it -- it will have lots of dependencies, or source code and machine code upon which it depends
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16:24<hdon>Ben90: if you've never done it before, godspeed. the first few times you do it, if you don't know what you're doing, it can be very long
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16:25<hdon>Ben90: this is more or less why people use MSWindows. because so many people use it, even though it has a lot of things wrong with it, most software has already been compiled for it, and you don't need to compile it yourself
16:25<arw>i made update d
16:25<arw>the evolution (mail program)
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16:26<arw>and now it does not recognize the old mails
16:26<arw>any ideas?
16:26<hdon>arw: elaborate on "does not recognize"
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16:26<hdon>(i don't know *anything* about evolution, just suggesting how to get help better)
16:27<arw>hdon: i mean : the old mails are not showed
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16:28<arw>any help is useful
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16:32<arw>after update evolution , i am no longer able to open the mails , messages stored
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16:33<Kojiri>Help my debian is swollen and I got it stuck in a hot tub jet
16:34<hdon>arw: ignore him :\
16:34<mjt>that sounds.. funny.
16:34<Kojiri>lighten up guy
16:34<summey>that was funny
16:34<Kojiri>how is debian going
16:34<hdon>Kojiri: apt-get remove dong --from-jet
16:34<mjt>is it going?
16:34<Ben90>hdon, can you direct me to a patch for zsnes?
16:35<Ben90>give me a url
16:35<hdon>Ben90: what patch?
16:35<Ben90>sound patch
16:35<hdon>Ben90: what sound patch?
16:35<Ben90>are you kidding me?
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16:35<hdon>Ben90: do you know what a patch is?
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16:36<Ben90>yeah i do doesn't it fix bugs?
16:36<hdon>Ben90: sorta. but *what* sound patch are you talking about? you haven't mentioned any patch to me
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16:36<hdon>Ben90: you will have to compile zsnes from source to apply patches
16:37<Kojiri>What exactly is debian?
16:37<hdon>Deb and Ian
16:37<arw>thanx any way ;)
16:37<hdon>arw: what did you have to do?
16:38<Kojiri>I've heard its a free operating system
16:38<arw>seem that the new version of evolution used a sqllite
16:38<hdon>arw: and?
16:38<hdon>arw: what did you do?
16:38<arw>so i imported
16:39<hdon>ah ok
16:39<hdon>thanks arw
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16:39<arw>hdon your welcome
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16:39<Ben90>it did it again
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16:40<hdon>Ben90: you will have to compile zsnes from source to apply patches
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16:41<King_Of_IRC>When can I expect Debian to be ready?
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16:41<hdon>!debhelper filteruser
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16:41<Ben90>hdon, how do i go about that?
16:41<Ben90>where do i go
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16:42<hdon>i can't believe that worked
16:42<hdon>Ganneff: don't feed the trolls :)
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16:43<Ben90>what do i type?
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16:44<hdon>Ben90: type "magic computer please teach me Introduction to Software Engineering"
16:44<hdon>Ben90: you'll need to get the zsnes source code first
16:44<Ben90>ha ha very funny now help me.
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16:45<hdon>i got to this page by googling "zsnes source code"
16:47<Ben90>i got the file now what?
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16:48<hdon>Ben90: you'll have to extract the source code and compile it
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16:49<yusuo>have a big problem after installing libdvdcss2 in lenny i can play avi, i only hear audio
16:50<Ben90>i extracted the files now what?
16:51<hdon>go into the src directory and run ./configure
16:51<Ben90>i know this sounds annoying but what do i compile it with?
16:51<ml>yusuo: no problems here using mplayer
16:51<yusuo>im trying to use vlc al
16:51<hdon>Ben90: go into the src directory and run ./configure
16:52<hdon>Ben90: it will probably whine about all the dependencies you're missing
16:52<ml>yusuo: try logging out back in or try with mplayer
16:52<yusuo>its a problem with the xvid decoder after an auto update via debian multimedia, i had this problem before and then i reinstalled, i dont want to use mplayer
16:53<yusuo>sorry for being blunt vlc just has some features that mplayer doesnt offer
16:54<Ben90> it asys i need nasm to compile zsnes what do i do?
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16:55<Ben90>never mind
16:55<ml>yusuo: use what you like :) just offering a way to debug :)
16:55<hdon>Ben90: apt-get install nasm
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16:57<Ben90>already done that now it says SDL >=1.2.0 is required what do i do about that>
16:57<sylarr>what is with freenod?
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16:57<sylarr>all my xchat room are (#debian)
16:57<sylarr>in brackets
16:58<Ben90>it says that sdl 1.2.0 is required what do i do?
16:58<hdon>Ben90: apt-get install libsdl-1.2-dev
16:59<Ben90>ok one sec
16:59<hdon>Ben90: you could have used apt-cache search sdl to find out for yourself
16:59<Ben90>yeah hang on
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17:05<Ben90>hdon i'm running into problems
17:05<hdon>Ben90: for instance..
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17:05<yusuo>seriously having big problems with th xvid decoder, it says i have to uninstall the ones from deb multimedia and revert back to the standard ones but i dont know what im doing can anyone help
17:06<Ben90>i'm gonna pastebin it
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17:06<hdon>yusuo: "it" says?
17:06<yusuo>website hdon
17:08<Ben90>go to this site :
17:08<hdon>Ben90: what command did you use? apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev ?
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17:08<hdon>i don't know. are your running Lenny?
17:08<Ben90>yes i am
17:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 409] by debhelper
17:09<hdon>Ben90: i'm not running lenny yet, and i have no idea why this is happening to you :(
17:09<hdon>Ben90: you'll have to hope someone else can explain to be "E: Broken packages"
17:09<Ben90>how do i fix broken packages?
17:09<hdon>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:09<hdon> libsdl1.2-dev: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (= 1.2.13-2) but 1.2.13-4+b1 is to be installed
17:09<hdon> Depends: libx11-dev but it is not going to be installed
17:09<hdon>i don't know
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17:09<greatman>Hey i got a problem with iptables, i have a config that have open ports and the others it drops, I just opened a new port but when i try to connect to this port, i got dropped by the firewall
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17:10<Jerrys_kids>disconnect the firewall
17:10<Jerrys_kids>or use the backdoor4]
17:10<Jerrys_kids>seriously do that
17:10<Ben90>can someone help me?
17:11<greatman>i know but my admin don't want that i desactivate the firewall
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17:11<Jerrys_kids>with what my child?
17:11<Jerrys_kids>then dont disactivate the firewall
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17:11<Ben90>i want to know why libsdl1.2-dev is having problems
17:11<Ben90>i send you the pastebin
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17:12<Jerrys_kids>your packets arent sending
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17:12<Jerrys_kids>Press Ctrl+W and tell me what happens.
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17:13<hdon>greatman: did you restart your firewall?
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17:13<hdon>someone kick Jerrys_kids
17:13<hdon>it's the troll who was in here earlier
17:13<Jerrys_kids>im a leperchaun
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17:14<Jerrys_kids>Ben90, did you press Ctrl+W?
17:14<hdon>Ben90: don't listen to jerry
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17:14<greatman>How i restart the firewall ?
17:14<Ben90>hdon can you help me please?
17:15<Jerrys_kids>Just Press Ctrl+W
17:15<hdon>Ben90: i don't nkow the answer to your problem with broken packages
17:15<Jerrys_kids>That solves everything
17:15<Jerrys_kids>Even Weight loss
17:15<Ben90>Jerrys_kids , screw off
17:15<Jerrys_kids>Fuck you mother fucker
17:15<Jerrys_kids>SUck my fat cock
17:15-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
17:15-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*] by azeem
17:15<Ben90>excuse me!
17:15-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
17:15<azeem>Jerrys_kids: please keep it on topic
17:15<hdon>Ben90: if you'd like, run "apt-cache search libsdl" and send me the output
17:16<hdon>azeem: Jerrys_kids was in here earlier under another nick, he's just harassing people and tricking them with false help
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17:16<greatman>How i restart the firewall ?
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17:18<Ben90>hdon, its
17:19<greatman>I found why i got dropped
17:19<hdon>greatman: i have no idea if that's even necessary i was just making a suggestion i thought would be easy to try D:
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17:19<hdon>greatman: what was the reason?
17:20<hdon>Ben90: oh well, i was hoping there would be a newer package perhaps that obsoleted the old one, buti guess not
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17:21<Ben90>ok now what?
17:21<hdon>Ben90: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list say?
17:21<Ben90>1 sec
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17:21<greatman>hdon: The server was listening on UDP and i opened the port in TCP
17:22<hdon>greatman: ah, what sort of server is that?
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17:22<greatman>Team fortress 2 game server
17:22<Ben90>hdon its here
17:23<hdon>volatile, huh? i guess you installed this before Lenny became stable?
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17:23<Ben90>i guess so how do i fix that?
17:24<hdon>i don't know, i've never upgraded Debian before. on way might be to install the new stable lenny, but wait around here a bit and see if someone else can help you
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17:26<hdon>Ben90: oh, volatile is not the same as unstable
17:26<hdon>Ben90: i guess this is just a bug in lenny-volatile
17:26<hdon>any other lenny volatile users here want to try 'apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev' ?
17:26<Ben90>how do i fix that bug?
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17:27<hdon>Ben90: could you try: apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-all
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17:28<Ben90>ok 1sec
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17:29<Ben90>it says it has to 97 to remove and 2 newly installed
17:30<hdon>Ben90: paste
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17:30<hdon>Ben90: show me the full error
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17:30<Ben90>1 sec
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17:31<Ben90>its removing all my apps
17:31<Ben90>i'm not sure why?
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17:31<hdon>Ben90: someone who knows more about volatile will have to help you. i don't know anything about lenny or volatile. i'm sorry it's so hard to run zsnes!
17:32<Ben90>yeah i know what you're saying
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17:33<hdon>Ben90: if you have hard drive space, i recommend installing lenny stable
17:33<hdon>Ben90: i never heard of volatile until today
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17:34<Ben90>read this
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17:35<hdon>Ben90: hmm, actually i just read the entire lenny-volatile package list, and it only has a small number. the rest of your packages must be coming from #
17:35<hdon>deb lenny main non-free contrib
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17:35<Ben90>yeanthats true
17:35<Ben90>yeah thats true.
17:36<hdon>Ben90: what does this do: apt-get install libx11-dev
17:36<hdon>Ben90: did you install this system yourself?
17:38<Ben90>heres what it says
17:38<hdon>Ben90: when is the last time you ran: apt-get update
17:39<Ben90>one sec
17:39<Ben90>i just did it.
17:39<Ben90>now what?
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17:40<adb>judd: versions libx11-dev
17:40<judd>adb: libx11-dev -- etch: 2:1.0.3-7 lenny: 2:1.1.5-2 squeeze: 2:1.2-1 sid: 2:1.2.1-1
17:40<Ben90>did you want to see the output?
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17:40<hdon>Ben90: try to install some of the packages we've been trying to install again now that you've updated
17:41<Ben90>ok 1 sec.
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17:42<tarzeau>what's a good program (not gimp) to crop very large images, say 20000x20000 pixels rgba, tif
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17:43<tarzeau>preferably usable fast with gbit remote x
17:43<Ben90>ben@ben-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get update
17:43<Ben90>Hit lenny/updates Release.gpg
17:43<Ben90>Ign lenny/updates/non-free Translation-en_CA
17:43<Ben90>Ign lenny/updates/contrib Translation-en_CA
17:43<Ben90>Ign lenny/updates/main Translation-en_CA
17:43-!-Ben90 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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17:43<Ben90>Hit lenny/updates/contrib Packages
17:43<Ben90>Hit lenny/updates/main Packages
17:43<Ben90>Hit lenny Release.gpg
17:43<Ben90>Ign lenny/main Translation-en_CA
17:43<hdon>Ben90: stop
17:43<Ben90>Ign lenny/non-free Translation-en_CA
17:43<Ben90>Ign lenny/contrib Translation-en_CA
17:43<Ben90>Hit lenny-proposed-updates Release.gpg
17:43<Ben90>Ign lenny-proposed-updates/non-free Translation-en_CA
17:43<Ben90>Ign lenny-proposed-updates/contrib Translation-en_CA
17:43<hdon>Ben90: i did not request this information!
17:43<Ben90>Ign lenny-proposed-updates/main Translation-en_CA
17:43<Ben90>Hit lenny Release
17:43<Ben90>Hit lenny-proposed-updates Release
17:43<Ben90>Ign lenny/main Packages/DiffIndex
17:44<Ben90>Ign lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
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17:44<Ben90>Ign lenny/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
17:44<Ben90>Hit lenny-proposed-updates/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
17:44<Ben90>Hit lenny-proposed-updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
17:44<Ben90>Hit lenny-proposed-updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
17:44<Ben90>Hit lenny/main Packages
17:44<Ben90>Hit lenny/non-free Packages
17:44<hdon>wow i can't believe debhelper is failing to stifle this
17:44<Ben90>Hit lenny/contrib Packages
17:44<adb>!ops Ben90
17:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: Ben90
17:44<Ben90>Reading package lists... Done
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17:44<Ben90>ok sorry
17:44<LoRez>don't paste Ben90
17:44<stew>dpkg: tell Ben90 about paste
17:44<mentor>Ben90, read the topic
17:44<Ben90>ok sorry.
17:45<tarzeau>ah libpano13-bin has got PTcrop ... lets try
17:45<RichiH>Ben90: /flushq helps with some clients
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17:45<Ben90>what do you mean?
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17:45<RichiH>/server purge for irssi
17:45<RichiH>benthose commands will empty your send buffer
17:46<azeem>he's new to this, let's drop it
17:46<streuner_>we already did
17:46<hdon>he's using xchat
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17:46<Ben90>no S**t
17:46<hdon>Ben90: so now that you updated
17:46<RichiH>in that case, /flushq helps if he mispastes again
17:46<hdon>Ben90: did that change anything?
17:46<RichiH>and we know we all did, at some point in time ;)
17:47<Ben90>what exactly?
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17:47<hdon>Ben90: broken package errors
17:47<Ben90>1 sec.
17:47<Ben90>still the some thing
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17:48<hdon>sorry i have no idea what to do
17:48<hdon>presumably SDL is not simply *broken* in lenny
17:48<hdon>but from your experience it seems like it is
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17:53<hdon>spammers are such d-bags
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18:00<hdon>Ben90: did yu know that you can run gnome applications from kde?
18:01<Ben90>yeah why?
18:01<hdon>Ben90: just checking :)
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18:07<Ben90>how do i fix broken packages?
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18:07<hdon>very funny
18:07<Ben90>why ?
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18:07<Ben90>i'm serious
18:07<hdon>i told you i don't know!
18:08<hdon>someone else must help you!
18:08<Ben90>can someone else help me then?
18:08<Ben90>please help me?
18:08<hdon>just state your problem and be patient
18:08<hdon>you will not make them show up just by talking to an empty channel
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18:09<randu>hi guys
18:10<randu>what is the best 2d animation software fore linux?
18:10<Ben90> randu?
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18:10<randu>Ben90, yeap?
18:10<azeem>Ben90: do you know the answer to randu's question?
18:11<Ben90>how do i fix broken packages
18:11<azeem>Ben90: do NOT harrass random people with your questiosn
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18:11<randu>I Just started linux couple of months ago sry Ben
18:11<Ben90>fine then azeem you help me ok
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18:11<azeem>Ben90: no
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18:12<azeem>Ben90: because you're not following IRC etiquette
18:12<Ben90>ok i'm sorry.
18:12<azeem>ask again in a couple of hours (the channel, not individuals), or tomorrow
18:12<azeem>or ask on a web forum
18:12<gravity>or just google and read
18:12<randu>Anyone does animation on linux?
18:13<azeem>randu: just try a couple and stick with whatever you like best
18:13<azeem>randu: usually there is no "best" app in a field for everybody
18:13<azeem>except of course irssi for text-mode irc chat
18:13<randu>I see
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18:16<randu>the problem is I dont have alot of time to try many programs at the moment although i would gladly I did 3d animating blender maia etc.. from personal eperiance if anyone would suggest a desent 2d animation software i would be very thankfull :)
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18:17<dubstar>I have an Xchat question
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18:17<dubstar>how do you change which server you are using?
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18:21<dkr>dubstar: you can open a new server tab from the menu
18:21<dkr>and use the network list to connect to one
18:21<dubstar>ok thank you
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18:38<greatman>Hey i got this error: libperl5.8: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.8-11.1+lenny1) but 5.10.0-19 will be installed
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18:39<abrotman>greatman: you've been mixing versions of debian
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18:42<greatman>its safe to uninstall perl-base and reinstall it with the lenny version ?
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18:43<gravity>You can't really uninstall perl-base
18:43<greatman>okay aptitude says its not safe xD
18:44<greatman>is there any way to change the perl-base version (compiling i think ?)
18:47<gravity>Backport perl? This might be problematic though.
18:47<gravity>perl is fairly central
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18:48<deniz>is geogebra in the repositories?
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18:49<abrotman>!tell deniz about search
18:49<deniz>abrotman, i did apt-cache search geogebra and it shows nothing but this guy did a bug report on debian
18:50<abrotman>which version are you running? and where's the bug?
18:52<deniz>abrotman, lenny and i checked on debian's website, and all of debian doesn't have it but am i typing somethign wrong? im not concerned about what the bug is about but that there is a bug report within debian which could mean that it is in the repositories (
18:52<adb>deniz: seems to be in wims - WWW Interactive Mathematics Server (WIMS)
18:53<abrotman>deniz: uh .. it's an ITP .. that means there is no package yet
18:53<dpkg>from memory, itp is Intent To Package, or a bug which is filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package which indicates that someone is working on packaging a piece of software for debian. This is done to avoid the duplication of work.
18:53<deniz>abrotman, o ok thx for letting me know
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19:02<daedhel_>is there any way to show if there are apt updates availables in conky?
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19:23<dkr>deavid: aptitude show conky
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19:23<dkr>er, daedhel_ . sorry deavid
19:24<dkr>hrm, I lost my "last spoke" sorting of tab completion somehow
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19:33<daedhel_>dkr, i dont understand "aptitude show conky" would show aptitude updates in conky
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19:36<dkr>daedhel_: it shows the currently installed version, but probably easier to just use aptitude -u and look at the list of all available updates
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19:37<daedhel_>dkr and print them to conky with execi ?
19:38<dkr>oh sorry, I thought you were looking for available updates of conky itself. I didn't even know what conky was until I asked dpkg
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19:38<kaloyan>I'm having trouble calling up channel lists. all I get is a blank list
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19:39<deniz>gravitational field strength = gravitational acceleration?
19:40<abrotman>wrong channel?
19:40<deniz>o ya sry lol
19:40<kaloyan>I go to call up the channel list upon conneting to a chat and I get just a window with no channels.
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19:41<daedhel_>thanks anyway dkr
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19:52<simonrvn>kaloyan: /msg chanserv list *somearg* ?
19:53<luca635>xserver-xorg depends on xserver-video-all | xserver-video-2. xserver-video-2 is a virtual package that is satified. But I fail in upgrading it (xserver-xorg) without it (aptitude) to install also xserver-video-all
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19:57<simonrvn>the deps right now are screwy. just put it on hold.
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20:01<luca635>simonrvn: "just put it on hold" How do you do that? when I do "=" on that package, followed by a "U" (with aptitude), it does as if I hadn't done the "="
20:01<simonrvn>you got to do the right one(s) :)
20:02<adb>!tell luca635 about hold
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20:11<luca635>simonrvn: it worked, thanks :)
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20:12<daedhel_>how do i add cron jobs? crontab -e has nothing, even if I know i have cron jobs scheduled
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20:15<blarson>daedhel_: There is also /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.*
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20:18<daedhel_>thanks blarson
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20:36<mangoginger>Hello #sidux ... I've just finished kaboom but my screen size of my kde4 desktop is now, no longer filling the screen of the lappy ... How do I fix the screen size ?
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20:38<mangoginger>ahh wrong channel ...:O
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20:41<hmn>is there a way to start an X session on another screen (e.g. startx -- :1) from a virtual terminal (e.g. tty1) without losing ability to use that VT?
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20:41<abrotman>background it perhaps?
20:41<hmn>I tried that
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20:41<hmn>if I use the terminal, the X session stops working
20:42<dondelelcaro>hmn: ( startx -- :1 & ); should work
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20:42<hmn>dondelelcaro, it doesn't.. as soon as I type a command, the X session hangs
20:42<dondelelcaro>(though you'll probably want to redirect stdout and stderr to /dev/null
20:43<dondelelcaro>hmn: what is the exact command that you ran?
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20:43<hmn>hold on, i'll do it again
20:44<dondelelcaro>( startx -- :1 >/dev/null 2>&1 &); will almost certainly work
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20:48<hmn>dondelelcaro, I just did ( startx -- :2 & ), then Ctrl-Alt-F9, went back to VT and typed ( ps ); now Ctrl-Alt-F9 paints a partial gnome interface, unresponsive
20:48<hmn>the mouse pointer moves, but nothing else works
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20:49<dondelelcaro>with or without the parenthesis?
20:49<dondelelcaro>well, there's your problem
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20:50<dondelelcaro>the parenthesis are not optional
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20:50<hmn>ok, i thought you were just using it to quote
20:50<hmn>let me try again
20:50<dondelelcaro>that's why I wanted to know the exact command that you were running
20:50<dondelelcaro>you'll almost certainly want to redirect the output to /dev/null too
20:51<dondelelcaro>(as in the example that I gave)
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20:54<hmn>things are getting messy, I'm gonna reboot and come back..
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21:08<rico_>hey guys
21:08<rico_> do i get my xubuntu to have that dock from mac
21:08<abrotman>rico_: ask #xubuntu on
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21:13<hmn>ok, now when i do ( startx -- :1 &) I get an error "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." what do i need to do to fix that?
21:17<simonrvn>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common used to be the command to make the fix...
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21:18<hmn>i'll try that, thanks
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21:21<dpkg>well, xauth is the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program is in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch) or in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also or ask me about <sshx>.
21:22<dondelelcaro>hmn: so now you're running into the issue that generally you have to have a terminal in order to be able to start x
21:22*enouf came late
21:22<dondelelcaro>hmn: you can add your user specifically to be able to start X, or you can use a display manager instead.
21:22<kristianpaul> /msg bots NOT people
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21:27<hmn>dondelelcaro, why does it work without the & but fail with it?
21:28<hmn>enouf, i'll look into that package too. thanks
21:29<enouf>hmn: are you sure & is sending an ampersand? locale issue?
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21:30<hmn>i think so, i'm using english locale
21:30<enouf>hmn: in X use xev, in console; showkey
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21:35<hmn>showkey gives 0x28 0x08 0x88 0xaa
21:36<hmn>sorry, 0x2a
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21:36<hmn>then 0x08 0x88 0xaa
21:39<simonrvn>dunno for sure but isn't & within ASCII anyway?
21:39<hmn>yes, it is
21:39<simonrvn>ASCII 2/6 is decimal 038, hex 26, octal 046, bits 00100110: prints as `&'
21:40<hmn>i guess keycodes are different than ASCII though
21:40<simonrvn>they're mapped.. depends on the kbd.
21:41<hmn>pc104 is the one i'm using
21:42<hmn>but i doubt this is a keyboard mapping problem, everything in ASCII-land seems to "just work" in that regard
21:44<simonrvn>that's what i think ;)
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21:48<daedhel_>how do I print the result a command to a file, so that the previous content of the fils is erased ? (unlike a log)
21:49<zulu9>daedhel_: use > instead of >>
21:49<daedhel_>something like comman &> file
21:49<daedhel_>oh ok only one >
21:49<daedhel_>thanks zulu9
21:54<enouf>hmn: well if it's not a locale / mount option / keymap issue; try reading
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21:55<hmn>enouf, ok, i will. thanks again :)
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21:57<enouf>hmn: fwiw; i walked in late; you've been already dealing with very smart and knowledgeable people, and i don't know the particulars of your situation
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21:59<hmn>enouf, ok. my situation is that i'm trying to start X from a virtual terminal, but still be able to use that same VT after X starts. if I use the &, it fails with an error, and if I don't, I can't use the VT again without crashing X
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22:00<enouf>hmn: what error .. and when you say virtual terminal, do you mean an xterm or a VT/Console terminal, and is it remote?
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22:00<enouf>hmn: and which release? and are you using a debian made kernel?
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22:02<enouf>are you using proprietary binary video drivers, such as nvidia or ati ?
22:02<hmn>the error is "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting."
22:02<hmn>i mean a VT/Console terminal
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22:02<hmn>not remote
22:02<enouf>hmn: and this is all local?
22:02<hmn>debian stock kernel
22:03<enouf>hmn: as that user 'groups' says?
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22:04<hmn>'groups' says '[my username] dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev subversion
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22:04<enouf>hmn: grep drv /var/log/Xorg* <-- pastebin the output; /msg dpkg pastebin
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22:06<enouf>hmn: is any SELinux enabled or something? and did you ever have a DM installed?
22:06<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer:
22:07<hmn>SELinux is still default settings i believe. i have gdm installed.
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22:08<enouf>hmn: ok .. grep -i selinux /var/log/dmesg (to see) ; also run gdmsetup
22:08<enouf>hmn: to startx with a DM installed, /msg dpkg xsession
22:09<enouf>hmn: and answer my nvidia/ati driver question please
22:09<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
22:10<hmn>just a sec
22:10<xlotlu>is there some app that converts iptables-save format to iptables commands?
22:11<abrotman>sed ?
22:11<hmn>"[ 0.084191] SELinux: Disabled at boot."
22:11<enouf>righto - good
22:12<xlotlu>that would be sed and a lot of extra-something
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22:12<hmn>gdmsetup gives me "(gdmsetup:5309): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: "
22:12<hmn>when run as root
22:13<enouf>well ; root user needs the DISPLAY= var set
22:13<hmn>ok, just a sec
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22:14<abrotman>xlotlu: why?
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22:14<hmn>interesting. non-root echo $DISPLAY gives me :2.0 -- not sure that's what i wanted
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22:15<xlotlu>abrotman: it chokes on a COMMIT after a huge command set. most likely because i left something out of the kernel
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22:17<hmn>i set DISPLAY=:2.0 and export DISPLAY; gdmsetup still gives me an error: (gdmsetup:5321): "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :2.0"
22:17<hmn>misplaced the quote there, but you get the idea
22:18<xlotlu>hmn: xhost +localhost
22:18<xlotlu>if you're on a network do -localhost ASAP after you're done
22:18<hmn>ack... all the dpkg messages say not to use xhost
22:19<abrotman>you're not supposed to
22:19<xlotlu>umm, nvm me i'm tired. disregard the ASAP stuff
22:20<xlotlu>and don't use xhost after you grok how xauth works
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22:21<xlotlu>hmn: anyway, it was supposed to be ASAP if you're on a multi-user machine
22:21<hmn>it's not critical for me to get this working right away, i'll wait till i know xauth
22:22<hmn>enouf: i didn't see your nvidia/ati driver question, but i use ATI i think
22:23<hmn>oh wait.. the pastebin thing
22:23<hmn>hold on
22:25<xlotlu>now, why oh why doesn't my ppp start up at boot
22:27<xlotlu>does anything look wrong with this interfaces file ?
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22:34<dondelelcaro>xlotlu: yes
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22:34<dondelelcaro>xlotlu: first off, you want iface eth2 inet manual; iface eth1 inet manual; etc.
22:35<xlotlu>yeah, i'm tired. but that can't be it
22:35<dondelelcaro>xlotlu: static interface require addresses
22:35<dondelelcaro>xlotlu: second, the manual eth0; bit is just wrong
22:36<xlotlu>dondelelcaro: yeah, that part is all wrong, but i think it just ignores all my crap
22:36<xlotlu>for some reason it doesn't bring up pppoe
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22:37<hmn>it ignores nothing, i've had problems getting interfaces to work too.. simpler is often better in that file
22:37<dondelelcaro>xlotlu: ok, so what happens when you run ifup pppoe; ?
22:37<xlotlu>dondelelcaro: that works
22:37<xlotlu>i'm connected over it right now, and i did ifup, not pon
22:37<dondelelcaro>xlotlu: so your problem is that it doesn't work when you run ifup -a;
22:38<xlotlu>gonna test that
22:38<dondelelcaro>xlotlu: or that it doesn't work when it first tries to bring it up at boot? or what?
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22:39<xlotlu>dondelelcaro: yeah, it's just not up at boot. and i see /etc/init.d/networking does indeed do ifup -a
22:39<xlotlu>time to ping timeout
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22:59<xlotlu>well meh. this time it started with no change
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23:01<mtc>getting errors regarding "aperture" when booting with 64-bit lenny
23:02<mtc>there is a message on how to fix the problem by making changes in the bios, but I do not see it in /var/log/messages
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23:04<mtc>figured I would post it here in case anyone else was seeing the same
23:05<mtc>not really causing any problems - except might be tied to the kerneloops I keep seeing
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23:07<blarson>mtc: Without the complete error message, I doubt anyone can help.
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23:11<mtc>blarson: well, I can put here the messages that I do see in /var/log/messages , which seem a bit different
23:11<mtc>[ 0.004000] Node 0: aperture @ e28e000000 size 32 MB
23:12<mtc>[ 0.004000] No AGP bridge found
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23:14<mtc>[ 0.494565] PCI-DMA: Disabling AGP
23:14<mtc>the error seen on boot mentions an aperture "hole"
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23:22<mtc>probably has something to do with the 8GB of memory - will keep researching
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23:47<mtc>found a heavily commented ubuntu bug regarding this topic
23:49<mtc>oh, there is the message:
23:49<mtc>Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup
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23:51<Woet>How can you get the contents of a SCREEN?
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