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00:07<user1976>como hacer backup de un file server con samba?
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00:11<ml>!es user1976
00:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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00:23<cwood>Good evening. Question for the xfce users: is all of 4.6 in Sid yet? I see some dependencies for xfce4 yet to come in, and I'm wondering if those are just leftovers.
00:31<dondelelcaro>cwood: it sure looks like it's all there, but it's possible that some bits still have to go through NEW
00:31<dondelelcaro>which bits are you missing?
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00:32<cwood>one sec, another update
00:32<cwood> xfce4: Depends: xfce4-settings (>= 4.6.0) but it is not installable ... Depends: xfce4-session (>= 4.6.0) but 4.4.2-6 is to be installed
00:32<cwood>Hm, that's two lines instead of three when I checked a few minutes ago. o_0
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00:45<wildude>Hi there!! I seem to be having a remarkably difficult time of struggling with aptitude.
00:45<wildude>First, it seems incapable of actually finishing a session. Of late, all that it has consented to do is to download the .deb files to be installed; when it finishes this, it just sits there and hangs. I have to control-C out of it, rather than the much more usual procedure of typing a q or three to get out. What is more, it isn't saving the state of any files I picked while doing so, either.
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00:45<wildude>Moreover, aptitude seems to have a problem with a program -- install-menu -- from which it typically gets nine Errors 14 each time I install it.
00:46<wildude>Moreover, aptitude seems to have a problem with a program -- install-menu -- from which it typically gets nine Errors 14 each time I install it.
00:46<wildude>Still further, there is a set of seven script files sitting off in /etc/menu-methods from which it typically gets fourteen signals 11, too. All of this is happening on an AMD64 machine. I went so far as to pull up my computer's CMOS screen on the way into booting, all on the supposition that it was a timing issue. I must say that cutting the memory speed down halfway was no help at all. :)
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00:47<wildude>So my great big huge question is: Does anyone here have any idea what is going on with this machine?
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00:50<dondelelcaro>wildude: if you give us the complete output of the aptitude run and a subsequent dpkg --configure -a; run, we can help you figure out what is going on.
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00:55<Ben90>anyone here?
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00:59<wildude>dondelelcaro: Would that I could give you those things! However, I cannot, mainly because the aptitude run is scuttled by the control-C exit every time, and dpkg --configure -a always comes back clean as a whistle -- no output of any kind.
00:59<sun>hi i hosed my laptop, i was trying to install freedos into a partition and now it seems that there's no grub... so i booted into a livecd, but when i say 'grub-install /dev/sda' it says it can't find /boot.... i believe that my /boot was /dev/sda6, but even if i say grub-install /dev/sda6 it says couldnt find /boot.... ideas???
01:00<Ben90>how do i get my gameport joystick to work?
01:00<Ben90>i had to reinstall
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01:02<Ben90>can someone help me get my gamepad working?
01:02<Ben90>its a gameport
01:02<simonrvn>i doubt you *had* to... more likely it's "you didn't know what to do other than reinstall because that's what you learned from using windows for years". more details would be helpful.
01:02<gpm>my video color is all wrong in totem and in xine-ui. i've tried adjusting the hue to no avail. any clues would be really helpful. thanks!
01:02<sun>ben90 whats a gameport
01:03<Ben90>its a 15 pin plug on your sound card
01:03<simonrvn>it's the port on the back of a peecee that's used to hook up a joystick.
01:03<simonrvn>i think
01:03<dondelelcaro>wildude: what's the output up to the point when it does stop?
01:03<Ben90>it is mainly used for midi devices and game controllers
01:03<sun>ben90 sorry to be a fool, but whats a gamepad?
01:03<dondelelcaro>wildude: what does strace -ff aptitude; output?
01:04<Ben90>its a device you would connect to a pc and be able to play games hence the name game controller
01:05<wildude>dondelelcaro it's normal up to the point where it says it's "saving the metadata" or whatever it says on the bottom line. Then it hangs until I exit with control-C.
01:05<Ben90>gamepad =controller
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01:05<sun>ben90 so when you plug it in and then type dmesg what happens
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01:05<Ben90>1 sec
01:06<wildude>dondelelcaro: I have no idea. I'll have to go in there and try it.
01:06<Ben90>im gonna pastebin it
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01:09<sun>ben90 wow thats pretty slow. id reinstall.
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01:10<Ben90>what do you mean slow?
01:10<sun>ben90 it seems to take 11 minutes just to get to acpi??
01:10<Ben90>my cpu is 1Ghz
01:10<LordLestat>HD Sata and Debian Lenny Beta 2 - Hi...i have a hd IDE (master) and SATA (slave) on my pc...i tried to install the Debian...The installation took place normally. But...It dont start in the boot...
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01:11<simonrvn>Ben90: looks like the kernel thread that handles it crashed... see line 396: [ 679.038084] gameport: kgameportd exiting
01:11<LordLestat>What can I do?
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01:11<wildude>dondelelcaro: What it tells me is "strace: command not found".
01:12<sun>lordlestat did you install grub?
01:12<Ben90>yeah so how di i fix that?
01:12<LordLestat>yeapp..i am using the grub to start my windows
01:12<simonrvn>sun: um, if you noticed he just did reinstall.
01:12<Ben90>im running gnome on debian lenny
01:12<Ben90>5.00 that is.
01:13<simonrvn>Ben90: honestly it seems you have hardware issues. check your ram first /msg dpkg memtest86
01:13<Ben90>i had it working before
01:14<Ben90>with some sort of joystick module
01:14<sun>ben90 yah. the trouble with linux is that you learn something and then in a year or so its outdated and you have to spend another weekned figuring out some useless arcane stuff. but so it goes. yah why dont you get a usb gamepad then.
01:14<Ben90>im not sure what is was
01:14<simonrvn>i also saw that hdd is getting errors
01:14<Ben90>maybe it was joydev or something
01:14<simonrvn>joydev is the usual driver yes
01:14<Ben90>so how do i get it?
01:15<Ben90>where are you seeing the hdd error
01:15<simonrvn>right above that, around line 370
01:15<Ben90>yeah i know what that means
01:16<Ben90>its just my hdd is a little messed up
01:16<simonrvn>heh, a little
01:16<Ben90>im still working out the bugs
01:16<Ben90>but back to the matter of the joystick
01:17<Ben90>how do i make it work despite the error on line 396?
01:17<sun>ben90 i bought a nice joystick with all kinds of buttons for usb. i was playing flight simulator and it wasnt too expensive. i dont know what this gameport is but its antique i think.
01:17<jm_>you want to use joystick in Linux? haven't seen the entire conversation, but input/joystick.txt explains some bits
01:17<Ben90>ok 1 sec
01:18<LordLestat>once...i logged on in the video stayed extremamly tried reinstall...dont stops in boot...
01:19<sun>lordlestat that happened to me. i dont have time to work out that kind of nonsense so i installed ubuntu and ran that for several months, then later installed debian.
01:19<simonrvn>sun: it is, IIRC it's a slow serial protocol.
01:19<LordLestat>[sun]: at SATA?
01:20<sun>lordlestat ? i dont know i just downloaded ubuntu and instlaled it and it worked. as i said i dont have time for that kind of thing anymore.
01:20<jm_>simonrvn: it isn't, it's analog
01:21<LordLestat>[sun]: ;)
01:21<LordLestat>welll i will try
01:21<LordLestat>use the jigdo and get the latest debian version
01:21<LordLestat>maybe works
01:21<LordLestat>thanks...iwill change my os now...
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01:22<simonrvn>jm_: yeh, that's right
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01:27<k1lumin4t1>is it OOo 3.0.1 in debian testing already usable and ok?=
01:27<simonrvn>Ben90: what?
01:29<simonrvn>try unloading the module, then loading it... modprobe -r joydev; modprobe joydev; watch your logs while you do that.
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01:30<Ben90>where do iget joydev at?
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01:31<Ben90>it says: E: Couldn't find package joydev
01:31<simonrvn>in your kernel....
01:31<Ben90>\wheres that?
01:31<simonrvn>it's not a package, it's a kernel module...
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01:32<Ben90>how do i permanently enable it
01:32<simonrvn>what does that have to do with anything? that's not to problem as far as i see it.
01:32<Ben90>then what is
01:32<Ben90>and how do i fix it?
01:33<simonrvn>do what i said instead of guessing.
01:33<Ben90>what did you say again?
01:33<simonrvn>scroll up
01:33<Ben90>ok 1 sec
01:34<alephnull>Can bootp serve different kernels based on (say) architecture ?
01:35<Ben90>ok i did that where do i find my logs?
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01:35<foori>hi everybody
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01:35<foori>i want to c++ programmer
01:36<simonrvn>in /var/log/ see syslog ; run `dmesg | tail -n 20` ; also look at messages
01:36<foori>you are c++ programmer?
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01:36<Ben90>i know there was some sort of command i used before to find out if the sound card gameport was enabled
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01:36<Ben90>but i cant remember it
01:36<foori>you are c++ programmer?
01:36<Ben90>1 sec
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01:38<Ben90>wtf is that supposed to foo
01:39<gargidevi>having a small keyboard problem. where to google about this. backspace, ret & pipe not working, no response. would this be an Xserver, wm (lxde) or a plain kernel issue? *gnubie
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01:39<sydney>whats a good editor for linux?
01:39<dondelelcaro>gargidevi: depends; are you using X or a terminal or what?
01:40<sydney>for latex
01:40<dondelelcaro>sydney: emacs or vim
01:40<sydney>is there a way to compile in vim?
01:40<gargidevi>oh, dondelelcaro using terminal now, let me check another app. just a sec
01:40<dondelelcaro>(I personally prefer emacs with auctex, but)
01:40<dondelelcaro>sydney: there may be, but you're probably better off using rubber to build latex files
01:41<gargidevi>ah, dondelelcaro it doesn't work in leafpad either
01:41<dondelelcaro>gargidevi: ok, are you sure that any of those keys on that keyboard even work at all?
01:41<dondelelcaro>gargidevi: since loosing pipe, delete, and enter sounds like you've lost a trace. Try plugging in a known good keyboard for starters
01:42<gargidevi>dondelelcaro: keyboard is fine, works in doz, and it was working yesterday too.
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01:42<Ben90>my gamepad is a Gravis Grip
01:42<Ben90>(GamePad Pro)
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01:43<dondelelcaro>gargidevi: then try starting xev to see what the problem actually is. You can use control-m for return and control-w to delete words
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01:44<Ben90>i want to know how to enable the joystick port
01:44<dondelelcaro>gargidevi: if you see output from the delete/enter/pipe keys when you press them in xev, then the keys are at least working, and you've got a mapping problem.
01:44<Ben90>my sound card is a ens1371
01:44<foori>void * problem
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01:45<Ben90>how di find out if the joystick is enable
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01:45<gargidevi>dondelelcaro: thanks trying this now. have to run for a few mins, bb shortly
01:45<dondelelcaro>Ben90: if you see /dev/input/js*; it's enabled
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01:46<jm_>Ben90: read input/joystick.txt
01:46<dondelelcaro>Ben90: presumably, the gameport and grip modules should be enabled too.
01:46<foori>what is your question?
01:47<Ben90>last i did this it cam back with an output saying gameport is on port 0x200h
01:47<Ben90>or something like that
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01:47<Ben90>and it also said Joystick_Enable no
01:47<foori>wow,change your port
01:47<Ben90>or something.
01:47<foori>you work with serial port?
01:48<Ben90>i work with the d-sub 15 plug
01:48<Ben90>aka the gameport
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01:49<Ben90>found on some older pci sound cards
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01:49<foori>what is your linux?
01:49<foori>debian ?
01:50<Ben90>yes it is
01:50<Ben90>its debian lenny
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01:50<gargidevi>dondelelcaro: it would be a mapping problem then. keys are ok. how to fix. what do you think, where I can start?
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01:51<gargidevi>dondelelcaro: now suddenly since testing in xev ||| it's working again
01:51<foori>type lsmode in command
01:51<Ben90>ok 1 sec
01:51<foori>gameport 15496 3 analog,snd_ens1371
01:52<foori>Needed for Creative Labs CT4810 - Ensoniq AudioPCI ES1371
01:52<foori>Check if gameport is supported natively by ALSA
01:52<foori>file :/usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/joystick.txt
01:52<Ben90>gameport 10700 1 snd_ens1371
01:53<foori>The following PCI drivers support the joystick natively..
01:53<Ben90>yeah go on.
01:53<foori>cat /proc/asound/card0/audiopci
01:54<foori>check enable alsa
01:54<Ben90>Joystick enable : off
01:54<Ben90>Joystick port : 0x200
01:54<foori>open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file with gedit
01:55<foori>enter : # Enable native ALSA gameport support for Creative Labs CT4810, Ensoniq AudioPCI ES1371 (default = disabled)
01:55<foori>options snd-ens1371 joystick_port=1
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01:55<Ben90>now that we got that figured oout , how do i enable it
01:55<Ben90>1 sec
01:56<foori>then reboot your system
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01:56<foori>with this way your joystick will enable
01:56<foori>Enter required joystick-driver-modules permanently
01:57<foori># Enable standard-analog-joystick on gameport
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01:57<dondelelcaro>uh... you don't need to reboot
01:57<dondelelcaro>just use modprobe
01:57<gargidevi>anyone know why ret, pipe and bksp keys would not function? suddenly working again after event test. dondelelcaro?
01:59<Ben90>modprobe ?
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01:59<Ben90>then what after that?
01:59<wildude>dondelelcaro: I have a 3 1/2 MB file consisting of strace -ff feedback on aptitude. I believe I will post it in #flood.
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02:00<dondelelcaro>wildude: actually, use a pastesite, and only the last bit matters
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02:00<dondelelcaro>wildude: say the last few hundred lines or so
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02:00<gargidevi>googling about keyboard mapping problems and debian, but not getting any useful hits.
02:00<wildude>dondelelcaro: Which paste site do you recommend?
02:01<dondelelcaro>wildude: doesn't really matter; will work
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02:02<wildude>dondelelcaro: OK, I will visit there and paste my stuff up there.
02:02<Ben90>i just added the joydev and grip
02:02<Ben90>into /etc/modules
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02:02<Ben90>now what?
02:02<foori>1 sec
02:03<foori>Joystick-driver-module "analog" automatically creates the required device-files:
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02:04<grummund>Hi, could anyone tell me what the 'powerdev' group is for pls?
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02:05<Ben90>keep pasting in here and you will gety banned
02:05<foori>If not, hardware is not yet recognized. Maybe another joystick-driver-module than "analog" is needed for specific joystick.
02:06<Ben90>ok paste bin it to me
02:06<foori>Calibrate (and test) joystick
02:06<foori>in terminal:
02:06<foori>jscal -c /dev/input/js0
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02:06<foori>Setting correction to:
02:06<foori>Correction for axis 0: broken line, precision: 0.
02:06<foori>Coeficients: 1739, 1739, 321470, 318797
02:06<foori>Correction for axis 1: broken line, precision: 0.
02:06<foori>Coeficients: 1704, 1704, 328351, 321277
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02:07<gsimmons>!tell grummund -about desktop groups
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02:07<grummund>gsimmons: found it, thanks. but it's not listed in the url that /msg dpkg groups tells about...
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02:10<Ben90>its working
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02:11<Ben90>its working great
02:11<foori>become true?
02:11<Ben90>its enables
02:12<Ben90>im gonna compile zsnes now
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02:15<Ben90>how do i make zsnes
02:15<Ben90>i already compiled it
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02:15<Ben90>now it says to type make and pray
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02:16<Ben90>it says g++ -pipe -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -D__UNIXSDL__ -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -D__OPENGL__ -march=native -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -s -fno-rtti -o tools/strutil.o -c tools/strutil.cpp
02:16<Ben90>In file included from tools/strutil.cpp:22:
02:16<Ben90>tools/strutil.h: In static member function ‘static int ci_char_traits::compare(const char*, const char*, size_t)’:
02:16<Ben90>tools/strutil.h:34: error: ‘strncasecmp’ was not declared in this scope
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02:16<Ben90>foori did you see that?
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02:17<foori>The full build log is available from:
02:18<foori>A list of current common problems and possible solutions is available at
02:18<foori> .
02:18<Ben90>did you read the errors?
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02:18<Ben90>can you help me fix it?
02:18<foori>i try
02:18<Ben90>lets go
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02:19<foori>Add "#include <cstdlib>" to tools/depbuild.cpp
02:19<foori>You do realize the zsnes in in extra right..
02:19<Ben90>what do we have to do first?
02:19<Ben90>wheres that?
02:19<foori>As a guess... find the definition of the main function in depbuild.cpp and change the declaration of int for the first parameter to size_t.
02:20<Ben90>ok i guess im new though
02:21<Ben90>not yet
02:21<Ben90>can you tell me what file i have to mess around with?
02:21<foori>not clearly
02:22<wildude>dondelelcaro: I must say that the first 788 lines of the file appear much more interesting to me than the last many thousands of them.
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02:23<Ben90>wheres that at?
02:24<clarence>how to install the program when the file is tar.gz
02:24<foori>found tools/depbuild.cpp
02:24<foori>then open this file
02:24<foori>if exist
02:24<foori>extract it
02:24<Ben90>i opened it , what now?
02:25<jm_>clarence: why not install debian package?
02:26<clarence>I try to use apt-get install command, but it said
02:26<clarence>Can not find the package kvm-84.tar.gz.
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02:26<Ben90>i put the line "#include <cstdlib>" in now what?
02:26<reinolds2>Hey guys since Totem sux serious a$$ and will not play MMS videos online I am trying to make VLC default but with no luck. Anyone has any ideas how to set VLC as Defoult player??????? Im using Ubuntu 8.10
02:26<clarence>jm_: I want to install kvm
02:26<foori>1 sec
02:26<foori>add #include <cstdlib> in one line
02:27<simonrvn>reinolds2: /server /join #ubuntu
02:27<foori>save and make
02:27<foori>find depbuild.cpp
02:27<foori>then find main fuction
02:28<Ben90>already did that
02:28<foori>change the declaration of int for the first parameter to size_t
02:28<foori>then save and make
02:28<Ben90>how do i do that?
02:28<gsimmons>grummund: There's a bug open for powerdev to be included (#513964).
02:30<jm_>clarence: kvm is packaged
02:30<clarence>jm_: I know
02:30<Ben90>how di di what you said?
02:30<clarence>jm_: I was extract it
02:30<wildude>whois dondelelcaro
02:30<clarence>jm_: and use apt-get install command
02:31<Ben90>how do i do what you said?
02:31<simonrvn>kvm-84.tar.gz is not a package name
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02:31<jm_>clarence: just use apt* install kvm
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02:31<clarence>apt* install kvm?
02:32<foori>sorry ,
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02:32<foori>i cant help u
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02:33<simonrvn>clarence: he means apt-get or aptitude
02:33<gpm>my video color is all wrong in totem and in xine-ui. i've tried adjusting the hue to no avail. any clues would be really helpful. thanks!
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02:33<Ben90>never mind
02:33<Ben90>]im out
02:33<clarence>simonrvn: I know, but still failed to install
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02:34<hmn>i found out why i couldn't ( startx -- :1 & ); apparently x11-common is configured to work only on a console (ttyN), and using a backgrounded subshell ( ... & ) doesn't give a real tty.
02:34<jm_>hmn: you can tell it to ignore that
02:34<dondelelcaro>hmn: yes... that's why we talked about the Xwrapper.config
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02:35<jm_>hmn: but there's no real point in starting it in the background anyway
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02:35<hmn>jm_, yes, there is for me... i want to be able to use the tty after I startx
02:36<simonrvn>clarence: because you gave it kvm-84.tar.gz as a package name...
02:36<jm_>hmn: just use another tty
02:36<simonrvn>clarence: that's not what jm_ told you to do
02:36<hmn>dondelelcaro, is there any solution other than allowing all users to startx?
02:37<clarence>simonrvn: what should I do?
02:40<hmn>jm_, i might want to start multiple x sessions... i don't want to eat a console tty for each one
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02:41<jm_>hmn: ohh OK
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02:42<reinolds2>What are some of the major advantages for someone with a X2 64 bit laptop on switching to pure debian frmo ubuntu?
02:43<reinolds2>Sorry if it is a pure n00b question
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02:43<jm_>reinolds2: not much probably
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02:50<mrthecrackhead2u>I installed debain straight out of the box, my wireless is a broadcom in a compaq presario laptop, on issuing ifconfig wlan0 up I get SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory, (even after installing ndiswrapper, and installed driver (I get a response in dmesg for both ndiswrapper and usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper) it setup in hotplug... and the module is loaded in /etc/modules
02:51<mrthecrackhead2u>(sorry I'm using tinyirc I don't know if any of that got cut off, ended with /etc/modules)
02:51<jm_>mrthecrackhead2u: no native driver?
02:51<mrthecrackhead2u>I don't know.. that was were I was having an issue
02:51<jm_>which device is it?
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02:51<mrthecrackhead2u>i didn't know that since wlan0 was showing if the driver was installed
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02:52<mrthecrackhead2u>heh, sorry its been a LONG day...
02:52<mrthecrackhead2u>i booted out of the box.. i saw wlan0 and figured the default driver was included
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02:53<mrthecrackhead2u>(not being too familiar with linux I'm not sure if I was correct in that assumption)
02:53<mrthecrackhead2u>so i tried teh ndiswrapper way and still am not having any luck...
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02:54<mrthecrackhead2u>any suggestions?
02:55<clarence>I try to use apttitude install kvm, but I got this message
02:55<jm_>clarence: first of all, are you using ubuntu?
02:56<clarence>jm_: no
02:56<clarence>jm_: just use that paste site
02:56<clarence>jm_: I use debian etch
02:57<jm_>clarence: so try to run the command it recommends at the end
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02:57<clarence>jm_: yes
02:57<clarence>jm_: aptitude install kvm, but I got that message
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02:58<jm_>clarence: no, it says run 'dpkg --configure -a'
02:58<mrthecrackhead2u>just out of curiousity... when you can see wlan0 does that mean the drivers loaded?
02:59<jm_>mrthecrackhead2u: /msg dpkg nosuchfile
02:59<mrthecrackhead2u>I mean, I'd think obviously, but I don't get the error message
02:59<unomeasjon>hey what are your opinions on an good distro for asus eee
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02:59<clarence>jm_: installing
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03:00<jm_>mrthecrackhead2u: actually nevermind, you get a different message - answer my question from 10 minutes ago
03:01<clarence>jm_: the one of message is
03:01<clarence>Could not find any package that contains the name or description of "kvm"
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03:01<mrthecrackhead2u>sorry I missed it, and scrolling is a little tricky, what was the question?
03:01<ese>hi! good night to everyone, I've got one tiny issue over here
03:02<ese>I just upgraded to squeeze, and while in the terminal I get this msg every 10 seconds or so
03:02<jm_>please pay attention, there's nothing more frustrating than people asking for help ignoring you -- <jm_> which device is it?
03:02<ese>Message from syslogd@outterspace at Mon Apr 13 22:03:17 2009 ...
03:02<ese>outterspace kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold
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03:02<ese>Message from syslogd@outterspace at Mon Apr 13 22:03:17 2009 ...
03:02<ese>outterspace kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode
03:02<jm_>clarence: ahh wait, etch doesn't have kvm, you need to upgrade to lenny
03:02<mrthecrackhead2u>o I thought I had made that clear.. wireless wlan0... as for the /dev link, I dunno
03:03<clarence>jm_: how?
03:03<jm_>mrthecrackhead2u: no, that's not it -- - you have several HowToIdentify links there
03:03<jm_>clarence: it's explained in release notes
03:03<mrthecrackhead2u>k.. brb
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03:04<jm_>clarence: - pick the right one and read the upgrade chapter
03:05<mrthecrackhead2u>Broadcom Corporatin BCM4311 802.11b/g
03:05<mrthecrackhead2u>is that the info you were seeking for that question?
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03:08<iwamatsu>ese: what do you use kind of CPU? Pentium4? can you get the temperature of the CPU?
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03:09<wildude>dondelelcaro: I'm gonna pack it in for tonight. Thanks VERY much for your TLC!! :)
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03:11<jm_>mrthecrackhead2u: looks like you want b43 driver with 2.6.26 kernel
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03:13<CGuru>Hi all
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03:13<dondelelcaro>hmn: I'd actually use a DM like xdm
03:13<CGuru>Does anyone know where to talk to good PHP programmers?
03:14<dondelelcaro>CGuru: you could try #php
03:14<CGuru>yeah , but nobody responds there
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03:14<dondelelcaro>well, there's a ##php on
03:14<CGuru>mm let me try there
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03:18<clarence>I want to burn debian lenny iso file with k3b, but it usually no responsing
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03:22<jm_>clarence: why would you burn that?
03:22<clarence>jm_: upgrade debian frem etch to lenny by cd
03:23<jm_>clarence: can't you upgrade it using apt?
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03:23<clarence>jm_: too slow
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03:23<jm_>clarence: but it will also be slow downloading the CD then
03:24<ese>so guys, please help? anyone can enlighten me above mi issue?
03:24<clarence>jm_: I download the iso at my school
03:24<jm_>clarence: ok then
03:25<clarence>jm_: this time, I download the cd
03:25<clarence>jm_: download the etch, is dvd
03:26<jm_>clarence: no, you want lenny
03:26<clarence>jm_: I don't know what you say
03:27<jm_>clarence: you need to download lenny DVD if you want to upgrade from etch to lenny
03:27<clarence>jm_:I have the lenny iso file
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03:28<jm_>clarence: yes so burn that or whatever
03:28<clarence>jm_: but k3b always responsing when it is Creating GUI
03:28<jm_>clarence: then use a command line tool
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03:29<hmn>clarence, what is the iso file on? or can you burn the iso to dvd at school?
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03:30<clarence>jm_: on desktop
03:31<jm_>clarence: that doesn't matter
03:31<clarence>jm_: how to use command tools to burn
03:31<jm_>clarence: growisofs for DVD, wodim for CD - which one will you use?
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03:32<clarence>jm_: cd
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03:35<jm_>clarence: are you sure the CD will have all the packages you need for upgrade?
03:36<clarence>jm_: I want to upgrade all of the system
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03:38<jm_>clarence: CD can't possibly have all the packages, there's only space for 700MB on it
03:39<clarence>jm_: I just want to upgrade, etch is not very good
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03:40<hmn>clarence, you can't upgrade _everything_ from one CD alone
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03:40<hmn>clarence, maybe you can buy the complete set of DVD's
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03:41<clarence>jm_: what lenny different frm etch
03:42<cmot>How do I work on partitioned LVM volumes? (I have lvm volumes on a Xen server, which are mounted as virtual disks, so inside the Xen DomU, they are partitioned. How do I mount / fsck them from the Xen Dom0? In /dev on the Dom0 I only see devices for the lvm volumes, but not for the partitions inside. (fsck -l /dev/vg../the-volume works.)
03:43<jm_>clarence: release notes explain that
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03:45<mrthecrackhead2u>thank you jm_ your a life saver, I got it working, but you were wrong about 1 thing, there is nothing more frustrating that somebody being short with you after a long day of 1 problem pissing you off.. thanks again though... gnight.
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03:45<jm_>mrthecrackhead2u: yes, but you need to remember it's you who needs help, not the other side
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03:45<simonrvn>couldn't stay to take the lumps ;p
03:46<petern>abrupt-message-leaving == i know i'm wrong
03:46<simonrvn>uh hunh ;)
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03:47<petern>and speaking of wrong... of to work :s
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03:49<clarence>who still using etch now?
03:49<simonrvn>nobody i know...
03:49<simonrvn>at least not intentioanlly ;p
03:49<jm_>I use it on my firewall
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03:51<clarence>how to install driver?
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03:52<jm_>clarence: which driver?
03:53<clarence>jm_: ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64
03:53<keith>Debian 5.0 Is it best to connect a slave HD before installing the OS or after?
03:53<tails92>hello, since I updated my system (debian-amd64) (there was the 2.6.26-2 kernel among other updates) it doesn't boot correctly anymore: the kernel modules for wifi, sound and graphics card (iwl3945, snd-hda-intel, intel-agp) aren't loaded and my touchpad isn't working. I don't know where to start to debug this problem.
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03:54<jm_>!tell clarence -about fglrx
03:54<jm_>tails92: which kernel did you use previously? did it load thos modules?
03:55<clarence>jm_: bash: -about: command not found
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03:55<tails92>jm_: I was using 2.6.26-1 and it loads the modules correctly, but now it does the same thing that 2.6.26-2
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03:56<jm_>clarence: no, read what the bot told you in your IRC client
03:56<jm_>tails92: so it must be something else then
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03:57<piotr_>how ot hibernate Debian?
03:57<piotr_>in text mode
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03:57<clarence>jm_: the error is about: command not found
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03:57<hmn>clarence, it seems like there's a language barrier here. do you speak a language other than english?
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03:58<piotr_>how ot hibernate Debian in text mode?
03:58<jm_>piotr_: don't repeate, look at uswsusp package
03:58<clarence>hmn: yes
03:58<hmn>clarence, which language?
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03:59<clarence>hmn: Chinese
04:00<hmn>clarence, have you tried visiting #debian-zh and asking your questions there?
04:00<clarence>hmn: what's wrong?
04:00<clarence>hmn: they usually say google
04:00<clarence>hmn: but I'm not googd at using google search
04:00<hmn>ok, just checking
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04:00<EmleyMoor>clarence: In order to help you here, we need to know which command is not found and whether you read what dpkg (the bot) told you
04:01<jm_>EmleyMoor: he tried to type the command I used to trigger the dpkg bot to tell him about fglrx in shell
04:01<jm_>clarence: in your IRC client do -- /msg dpkg fglrx
04:01<jm_>then read what the bot tells you
04:01<clarence>EmleyMoor: when I type bash: -about: command not found
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04:02<EmleyMoor>clarence: Wrong procedure. Do waht jm_ suggests
04:03<piotr_>Package uswusp has no installation candidate
04:04<EmleyMoor>Homw about uswsusp?
04:04<tails92>I don't know what to try: there isn't any error in the logs
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04:05<piotr_>ok ./configure ; make ; make install?
04:05<EmleyMoor>tails92: Does it list the relevant module packages as still installed?
04:06<EmleyMoor>piotr_: Hawe you checked for uswsusp, spelling it correctly?
04:06<EmleyMoor>Have, even
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04:06<piotr_>I have, I mispelled it only here :)
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04:06<clarence>hmn: when I use google to check the answer what I need, but more and more site is disscuss how about install on ubuntu
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04:07<Supaplex>!beer pabs
04:07*dpkg pulls out a fine Spaten Optimator for pabs
04:07<piotr_>WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
04:07<piotr_>This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
04:07<piotr_> util-linux tzdata (due to util-linux)
04:07<piotr_>what's ths?
04:07<pabs>is there a way to use the .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives when running c/debootstrap?
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04:07*pabs thanks Supaplex for the beer
04:07<EmleyMoor>piotr: What are you trying to do?
04:07<piotr_>apt-get install gcc
04:07<Supaplex>pabs: sometimes I cheat, and rsync behind its back. I think it's better to roll a repo though.
04:08<simonrvn>nah, i won't do that pabst is a really bad beer
04:08<piotr_>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
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04:08<piotr_>because of that
04:08*pabs hasn't heard that joke before!!! </sarcasm> :)
04:08<EmleyMoor>piotr_: Run aptitude and see what it says about util-linux
04:09*Supaplex grabs a sack of ZzZZzz and drifts off to sleepy lands
04:09<piotr_>aptitude util-linux does not work.
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04:10<EmleyMoor>piotr: aptitude on its own
04:10<EmleyMoor>(then /util-linux)
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04:10<Lethias>I'm working on seperating my /usr directory into a seperate partition, if I set the fstab for /dev/hdb2 /usr, is there anything else i'm going to need to change as well?
04:10<tails92>EmleyMoor: yes the module are installed and I can probe them manualy
04:11<hmn>clarence, ubuntu is based on debian, so a lot of stuff that works on ubuntu will work on debian too. i realize you're having a hard time keeping up here, but please do follow what jm_ told you to do
04:11<EmleyMoor>tails92: Do they work when you do that?
04:11<tails92>EmleyMoor: yes
04:11<piotr_>how slow.
04:12<EmleyMoor>tails92: Hmmm... well, you could add them to /etc/modules
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04:13<EmleyMoor>piotr_: Does aptitude say util-linux (or anything?) is "Broken"?
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04:13<piotr_>I don't know.
04:13<piotr_>it' initializing.
04:14<EmleyMoor>Ah - well, continue to wait for it
04:14<jm_>tails92: do you have bootlog enabled?
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04:15<tails92>jm_: /var/log/boot is empty so I guess bootlog is disabled
04:16<EmleyMoor>clarence: What release are you running?
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04:17<EmleyMoor>piotr_: What release are you running?
04:17<hmn>EmleyMoor, clarence left, it seems
04:17<tails92>EmleyMoor: I don't know the name for every module needed for my system: for instance the touchpad doesn't work anymore but I don't know which module is needed
04:17<hmn>ah, and i didn't realize you were talking to someone else
04:18<tails92>jm_: I'll enable bootlogd, reboot and see what append
04:18<jm_>tails92: it renames old file to boot.0 etc
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04:19<jm_>tails92: but you should see something about module for you rhardware beeing loaded
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04:37<tails92>I wanted to copy /var/log/boot to an usbkey and noticed that usb-storage even haven't been probe...
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04:38<tails92>know I've probe it, but the devices node are not created in /dev when I plug it
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04:40<tails92>in dmesg I see the usual things when we plug an usbkey, for instance I have: sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
04:40<tails92>but /dev/sdb does not exist
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04:42<tails92>and the modules that I've added in /etc/modules are not loaded
04:42<jm_>tails92: did you see "Loading kernel modules" at boot?
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04:43<tails92>jm_: I'll reboot and see...
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04:44<tails92>jm_: yes I see it
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04:45<tails92>jm_: would it be intersting if i put /var/log/boot or any other log file on pastbin ?
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04:47<adb> ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/
04:48<jm_>tails92: so you see that but modules are still not loaded?
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04:49<tails92>and now i've : "Can't start Hardware abstaction layer - please ensure dbus is running" (this message came after nfs take 3 minutes to start...)
04:50<tails92>and I see another error message: "check syslog for diagnostics"
04:51<jm_>tails92: does it mention each module as it is being loaded?
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05:02<tails92>jm_: my internet connection has been disconnected, did you say anything ?
05:03<streuner__><jm_> tails92: does it mention each module as it is being loaded?
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05:04<tails92>it doesn't mention any modules
05:05<jm_>tails92: it should say Loading kernel module for each module it tries to load
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05:09<Eh>hey, locked down server here with no telnet command but i have ssh, can i use that to telnet?
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05:10<hmn>Eh, you can use it to do something similar to telnet in a more secure way, but i think they use different port numbers
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05:10<mammadori>hi all, there is a file which I could watch in a debian install to know when it was first installed the system from bare metal? (a d-i timestamp would be sufficient)
05:11<jm_>mammadori: dpkg logs stuff these days
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05:12<mammadori>"/etc/debconf.conf" could be a choice?
05:12<jm_>anyone can edit that
05:12<tails92>jm_: what am I supposed to do ?
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05:13<mammadori>jm_: yes doest it gets automatically edited in updates too?
05:13<jm_>mammadori: sure, if a package brings a new version and admin says yes to update it for example
05:13<mammadori>jm_: I need to find another canditate then
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05:14<jm_>tails92: well does it say that?
05:17<tails92>jm_: it says: "Loading kernel modules..." and on the next line "Checking file systems..."
05:18<jm_>tails92: then you either have verbose mode off or your file is wrong
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05:18<jm_>tails92: or you have several /etc/modules* files
05:19<Lethias>Is there a init file for X i can put the command for enabling dual display in x before login?
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05:19<tails92>jm_: I reboot to check that i'm in verbose
05:20<jm_>tails92: no need to reboot for everything - do: echo /etc/modules*
05:20<tails92>jm_: ok
05:21<tails92>jm_: echo /etc/modules* returns /etc/modules
05:21<jm_>tails92: what happens if you run this now: invoke-rc.d module-init-tools
05:22<jm_>invoke ... start
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05:23<tails92>jm_: it says "Loading kernel modules..." and nothing else
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05:24<jm_>tails92: ok, then do this: sh -x /etc/init.d/module-init-tools
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05:26<tails92>jm_: it returns many lines with + in front of them
05:27<jm_>tails92: yes, check what is hapenning after it mentions Loading kernel modules or put it on pastebin
05:28<tails92>jm_: the modules in /etc/modules have been inserted in the kernel
05:28<tails92>ok, I'll try again the usbkey to put it on pastebin
05:29<jm_>tails92: hmm maybe you have a different init file then
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05:32<hmn>i have another problem. i use backupninja to do my backups, and it sends a report e-mail to root. but for some reason, even though the headers say it's addressed to root, they come to my normal user inbox.
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05:34<jm_>hmn: that is normal
05:34<hmn>jm_: really? why?
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05:36<jm_>hmn: because that's how Debian configures most of MTA-s
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05:36<schlurchz>Hi! For some reason, I cannot install the lpr package on my etch machine; the error message boils down to "No candidate version found for lpr". More details at Does someone have a suggestion what may be going wrong here? (Btw, I can't reproduce it on another machine which runs lenny)
05:36<brunner>how can I find my hard drive speed without opening up my laptop?
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05:36<hmn>jm_, isn't it a security risk to send messages for root to a normal user?
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05:37<brunner>nm, I'll use hdparm
05:37<brunner>and google the model
05:37<petern>why would it be a risk?
05:38<hmn>petern, i don't know, i would just assume someone other than root reading root's mail would be a problem
05:39<jm_>hmn: not really since you configure which user it sends to, plus root doesn't need to start MUA-s this way
05:39<petern>it doesn't just go to some random user. it's set up in /etc/aliases...
05:39<petern>and it's not that user reading root's mail, it's root's mail forwarded on to the user
05:39<hmn>ok, thanks.
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05:40<hmn>to both of you :)
05:40<petern>and indeed, it's more of a risk to let root run an MUA
05:40<hmn>i hadn't thought of it that way
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05:42<hmn>(but that makes sense.. a malformed e-mail + a security hole = potential exploit)
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05:45<schlurchz>Gah. :-/ No one smarter than me? ;-)
05:46<hmn>schlurchz, they're just distracted by my dumb question :)
05:46<jm_>schlurchz: did you check what apt-cache policy lpr says?
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05:48<schlurchz>jm_: GOOD catch!
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05:48<schlurchz>jm_: it's indeed a broken pinning, works without /etc/apt/preferences
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05:49<tails92>jm_: here is the output of sh -x /etc/init.d/module-init-tools
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05:50<brunner>lol... I was just banned from #ubuntu for saying "wtf" in reference to an hdparm switch parameter
05:50<brunner>why is it that ludicrously stringent language policies tend to be found in channels that are dominated by morons?
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05:52<jm_>tails92: VERBOSE=no :)
05:52<schlurchz>jm_: *blush* s/stable/oldstable/ in /etc/apt/preferences fixed it. Jesus! Many thanks!
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05:53<tails92>jm_: so I try with VERBOSE=yes ?
05:53<jm_>schlurchz: np
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05:53<jm_>tails92: no, that's just to make it output what it's doing, it should still be loading it, just not saying things (i.e. not as easy to debug)
05:54<jm_>tails92: so what's the situation right now?
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06:00<philsf>does anyone know in which file is supposed to be specific keycodes for a specific keyboard layout (abnt2, brazilian layout, thinkpad variant)?
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06:00<tails92>jm_: nfs, dbus and hal fail to start and the modules in /etc/modules are not loaded
06:02<tails92>jm_: but when I launch VERBOSE="yes" /etc/init.d/module-init-tools start, it loads the modules
06:03<jm_>tails92: the only difference is that VERBOSE=yes makes it print stuff, but it loads them in both cases
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06:03<jm_>tails92: you can put VERBOSE=yes in /etc/default/rcS (just change from no to yes) and you should see it saying the same at boot
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06:04<tails92>jm_: ok i'll try
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06:15<tails92>jm_: with VERBOSE=yes, module-init-tools doesnt insert any modules at boot
06:15<jm_>tails92: but you see it running modprobe?
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06:17<tails92>jm_: yes because there are the warnings about files which will be ignored in /etc/modprobe.d in a future release
06:17<jm_>tails92: so how do you know modules are not loaded?
06:18<tails92>it doesnt print line about insmod and .ko files
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06:18<jm_>tails92: no, that's because it runs modprobe ... >/dev/null 2>&1 when in non verbnose mode
06:18<jm_>use lsmod to see what is loaded
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06:19<tails92>when I launch it manually it shows a line about insmod which is inserting a .ko file
06:19<jm_>damn so much time wasted, should have asked at start :)
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06:19<wahyu>lam knl
06:19<wahyu>kmu orang gilaya
06:20<azeem>wahyu: please write in english
06:20<dpkg>well, id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id
06:20<tails92>jm_: i'll have to wait 2-3 minute for nfs to fail to start..., and then i can do lsmod
06:20<wahyu>how are you
06:21<wahyu>what is your name
06:21<azeem>wahyu: do you have a Debian question?
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06:21<jm_>tails92: nfs as in /etc/init.d/nfs* or?
06:21<azeem>wahyu: then please either be quiet, or leave
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06:22<wahyu>yed id
06:22<wahyu>yes id
06:22<tails92>jm_: yes, nfs-kernel-daemon
06:22<wahyu>:yes id
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06:23<wahyu>azee:yes id
06:23<azeem>wahyu: /join #debian-id
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06:23<wahyu>azee:yes mr
06:24<tails92>jm_: there is also dbus and hall which fails to start
06:24<wahyu>hllo do
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06:24<gabbsmo>I'm trying to play a DVD with Xine-UI. I have libdvdread and libdvdcss. I have also created a symbolic link to /dev/dvd. I can see the title "THE_ALAMO" but the player windows is nothing but green.
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06:25<jm_>tails92: what does it say for nfs?
06:25<keith>Debian 5.0 I have installed Debian 5 using a new HD and now wish to use the Debian 4 HD as a slave. What do I have to add to fstab to do this?
06:26<tails92>jm_: now it has loaded the module, don't know what changed. Wait i'll copy the message for nfs
06:27<tails92>jm_: "rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out"
06:27<tails92>jm_: and there are fast 20 others like that
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06:28<tails92>jm_: if I do ifconfig, lo is not up...
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06:29<jm_>tails92: right, that is not OK, check your interfaces file
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06:30<Razique>I've changed my nick sorry
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06:32<Razique>Does a reboot needed for the lenny update ?
06:33<jm_>Razique: not really no
06:33<Razique>Thanks, I've one server runnin Lenny here
06:33<tails92>jm_: it's /etc/interfaces right ?
06:34<jm_>tails92: /etc/network/interfaces
06:34<Razique>tails92 : yup :)
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06:35<azeem>Razique: if your kernel got updated, and you want to use the new one, you'd need to reboot
06:36<Razique>azeem : well, I didn't read yet what the new kernel brings actually
06:37<Razique>I'm actualluy deploying the update on my virtual machine before run it on our production servers
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06:43<tails92>/etc/network/interfaces is the same than the one on another computer with lo working correctly
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06:43<jlips>Hey is there a way to delete the e-mail adress from bugreports. That is the reason that i get massees of spam mail
06:44<jm_>tails92: put it on a pastebin
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06:44<jm_>jlips: I once asked if they will ever make it so it doesn't show that and the answer was no
06:44<jm_>so I stopped submitting bugs
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06:45<jlips>well but i submitted it and the address is freely available. It probably be enough to change the @ to at or similar
06:46<Razique>jm_ : do they really use bug reporters to spam 'em ?
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06:46<jlips>Razique: well its freely available on the net
06:46<jlips>so i guess they harvest it
06:46<jm_>Razique: not sure about debian's bts, but in general they use everything they can
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06:47<Razique>jm_ : what bts means, i'm french sorry ;)
06:47<jm_>Bug Tracking System
06:47<Razique>ok thanks
06:47<jlips>so there is no solution for it??
06:47<azeem>jlips, jm_: spammers are clever enough to use a regex on that foo at bar dot .com
06:48<jm_>azeem: sure, my question was for it to not be publically available at all
06:48<jlips>azeem then it would be possible to change it to another code
06:48<azeem>jm_: eh, and how are people supposed to know who submitted a bug?
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06:49<jm_>azeem: bts would know it, but not display it for general public - it's trivial for people that care (debian developers) to see it (i.e. login or whatever)
06:49<gabbsmo>I need a hand here! I'm trying to play a DVD with Xine-UI. I have libdvdread and libdvdcss. I have also created a symbolic link to /dev/dvd. I can see the title "THE_ALAMO" but the player windows is nothing but green.
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06:49<gabbsmo>och sry xD
06:49<Razique>azeem : it doesn't really matters for spammers, does it ?
06:49<jm_>gabbsmo: did you try using mplayer instead?
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06:50<azeem>jm_: it's not trivial
06:50<Razique>azeem : your email adress
06:50<gabbsmo>jm_ mplayer hmm I can give it a shot, does it have a gui?
06:50<jm_>gabbsmo: yes, gmplayer
06:50<Razique>I mean, you got spammed with what sort of mails ?
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06:51<gabbsmo>jm_ sure about that? there is no package named gmplayer :(
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06:51<jm_>gabbsmo: no, the package is mplayer, the command to start the GUI for it is is gmplayer
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06:51<azeem>Razique: I don't understand the question
06:52<Razique>azeem : my mistake, I thought you were the one who get spammed
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06:52<Razique>it is jlips, sorry
06:53<gabbsmo>jm_ no stream found to handle dvd://
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06:54<Razique>Anyone here tried to deploy the last version of Zabbix on Lennt ?
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06:55<jm_>tails92: that looks fine, do you have bootlog enabled? check what it says after Configuring network interfaces
06:56<Razique>tails92 : could you quickly sum up you issue please ?
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06:58<boye>linux is best
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06:59<boye>i love linux
06:59<gabbsmo>boye, take you fanboism to #windows ;)
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06:59<geller>Hello my Linux friends
06:59<tails92>Razique: kernel modules are not loaded correctly and lo is not up
07:00<boye>i love linux
07:00<Razique>hello geller
07:00<jm_>tails92: how did you verify that lo is not up?
07:00<boye>i like linux
07:00<tails92>ifconfig display it only with the -a switch
07:00<boye>Linux is finnish
07:00<Razique>tails92 : what mobo fo u have ?
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07:01<boye>windows sucks
07:01<geller>Ya, ur right
07:01<tails92>Razique: it's an HP laptop (Compaq 6510b)
07:01<boye>i love linux
07:01<gabbsmo>imo windows = better warez, linux = better OS.
07:02<boye>yes, linux is best!!
07:02*bremner starts a petition to kick boye
07:02<boye>linux is best OS
07:02<azeem>boye: do you have a Debian question?
07:02<jm_>tails92: does 'ifup lo' work?
07:02*boye loves linux
07:02*gabbsmo +1 bremner
07:02<boye>dont kick me!
07:03<Razique>boye : it's not about sayin windows sux, it's about how u use 'em
07:03<Gekz>kick the 14 year old
07:03<boye>if you kick me, you dont like linux
07:03<azeem>boye: if you don't have Debian support questions, please either keep quiet or leave
07:03<azeem>Razique: please keep it on topic
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07:03<boye>if you kick me, you dont like linux
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07:03<boye>this is gooood
07:04<gabbsmo>lol xD
07:04<azeem>boye: if you don't have Debian support questions, please either keep quiet or leave
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07:04<tails92>jm_: it's around line 61
07:04<boye>how to load linux free???
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07:04<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r8) at . See also <installer firmware>.
07:04<gabbsmo>A hand here and I'd be very happy!
07:04<boye>now i know
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07:06<boye>where are you from???
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07:08<jm_>tails92: this is really weird, it looks like it tries to load the modules, but they don't get loaded
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07:10<bremner>gabbsmo: can you try installing "lsdvd" and see if that works?
07:11<bremner>also, chmod /dev/hdc, not the symlink IIRC
07:11<tails92>jm_: Have you any idea what I could try ?
07:12<jm_>tails92: which version of module-init-tools are you using?
07:12<sander_m>Hi all. I have a problem with Sound Juicer on my system. It's Debian Lenny but my /home was copied from my old Debian Etch machine. When I start Sound Juicer and click edit->preferences I get a segfault.
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07:12<sander_m>I think the cause is the Etch configuration files in my home directory, but I can't find the sound-juicer config files. Where are they?
07:13<jm_>tails92: doh,
07:13<jm_>sander_m: try to strace it, maybe ~/.config/...
07:13<jm_>tails92: I would simply install older version of this package
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07:15<tails92>jm_: I use 3.7-pre9-1, it's the same than in the bug report...
07:16<jm_>tails92: yes, downgrade it
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07:16<tails92>jm_: ok i'll try
07:16<gabbsmo>bremner still the same error! the titlebar say "NO MRL" until I attempt to load the dvd
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07:17<jm_>gabbsmo: how did you try to use mplayer to play a DVD disc?
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07:17<gabbsmo>jm_ right-click in the player window > DVD > Open disc...
07:17-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
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07:18<Washi>gabbsmo, the default mplayer gui is very bad
07:18<Washi>use the cli instead
07:19<gabbsmo>Washi cli, is that the package?
07:19<jm_>gabbsmo: how about mplayer dvd://1
07:19<Washi>cli Command Line Interface
07:19<Washi>this is the coomand
07:19<Washi>*command, the one jm_ wrote
07:19<jm_>gabbsmo: also make sure your user can read the /dev/dvd device file
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07:20<Washi>or if you prefer a graphical interface, the best frontend is smplayer; hoewever, it is written in Qt
07:20<gabbsmo>jm_: I've done chmod 666 on /dev/dvd AND /dev/hdc
07:21<jm_>gabbsmo: that's not a good idea, add your user to group cdrom instead
07:21<gabbsmo>Washi, qt is that a problem?
07:21<Washi>if you use Gnome
07:21<gabbsmo>jm_ okay, how do I do that?
07:21<Washi>this meand some more
07:21<gabbsmo>Washi I use Fluxbox ;)
07:21<Washi>well, you will need several libs to run smplayer
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07:22<ese>Hey, does anyone uses xfce? I can't install the new version... :'(
07:22<gabbsmo>jm_ and how do I do that?
07:22<jm_>gabbsmo: try mplayer first
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07:22<sander_m>jm_: strace doen't help me much, but gdb says it's a gconf issue
07:23<gabbsmo>jm_: how do I copy from xterm, lol^
07:24<jm_>sander_m: then you can use gconftool -R /
07:24<jm_>gabbsmo: with the mouse
07:24<brunner>I wonder if gcc takes full advantage of the instruction-level parallelism in the IA-64 architecture
07:25<koollman>it takes some advantages, I suppose. 'full advantage' would be really tricky
07:25<koollman>that platform really need a smart compiler :)
07:25<sander_m>jm_: Thanks. Before I delete the sound-juicer settings from gconf I'll report a bug about it
07:25<gabbsmo>jm_ here is you paste
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07:26<jm_>sander_m: makes sense, and also copy the output so you or developers can reset it for testing
07:26<brunner>koollman: no doubt
07:26<sander_m>jm_: Will do!
07:27<jm_>gabbsmo: so it seems to work fine then
07:27<gabbsmo>jm_ does not, I don't see any player-windows in any workspace
07:27<Washi>no video?
07:27<gabbsmo>Washi correct
07:28<gabbsmo>I just thought about something, opengl; could it be it?
07:28<Washi>I would try toggling the -vo
07:28<jm_>gabbsmo: but it should have said smoe more then, did you try mplayer -vo x11 dvd://1 ?
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07:29<gabbsmo>jm_: same
07:29<Washi>mplayer -vo xv
07:29<jm_>gabbsmo: try using mplayer from d-m
07:30<gabbsmo>Washi still no video
07:30<gabbsmo>jm_ explain please
07:30<Washi>well then
07:30<jm_>!tell gabbsmo about d-m
07:31<Washi>gabbsmo, try some other: mplayer -vo help
07:31<Washi>this will list them
07:31<gabbsmo>jm_ I have added that respority
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07:33<gabbsmo>jm_: deb stable main
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07:33<jm_>gabbsmo: ok, so do apt update and then install mplayer
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07:35<gabbsmo>jm_ NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
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07:35<Washi>have you installed deb multimedia keyring
07:35<gabbsmo>Washi: no, how?
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07:35<tails92>jm_: There is what append with module-init-tools version 3.4-1 (the relevant part of /var/log/boot)
07:35<jm_>gabbsmo: that's in FAQ on their page
07:36<sander_m>jm_: The bug has been reported. When I unset as many keys for sound-juicer as the gconf-editor allows me to do then sound-juicer does work.
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07:39<jm_>tails92: hmm doesn't tell me much, it's as if it would be looking in wrong place, does using modprobe -v give more details?
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07:40<gabbsmo>jm_ Okay I have it now, "sudo apt-get install mplayer" after a update didn't give me any new packages
07:40<tails92>jm_: No, same error than in /var/log/boojt
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07:41<Washi>gabbsmo, if dpkg hasn't installed the multimedia repo mplayer
07:41<jm_>tails92: but does it say more about the actual path?
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07:41<Washi>aptitude -t debian-multimedia install mplayer
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07:41<jm_>gabbsmo: does 'apt-cache show mplayer' show you two versions now?
07:42<tails92>jm_: No, it's the same path
07:42<gabbsmo>jm_: yes it does
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07:43<jm_>gabbsmo: does it install the one from d-m if you say apt... install mplayer?
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07:45<gabbsmo>jm_: how do I tell?
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07:46<jm_>gabbsmo: by the version?
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07:48<gabbsmo>jm_ I have 2 with diffrent maintainers in apt-cache, but how do I know wich one it installs?
07:50<jm_>gabbsmo: by the version :)
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07:51<gabbsmo>jm_: Version: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 / Version: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3
07:51<tails92>jm_: the path is kernel/sound/... but the right path is /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/sound/...
07:52<jm_>tails92: yes, but apparently one can't say where it looks without using strace
07:52<jm_>gabbsmo: the first one is from d-m
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07:53<gabbsmo>jm_: okay, how do I force apt-get to install that particual verision of mplayer?
07:53<mjt>apt-get install package=version
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07:54<jm_>gabbsmo: it should install it on the basis that its version is newer, unless your pinning is preventing it
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07:55<jm_>gabbsmo: but you can do what mjt said
07:55<gabbsmo>jm_: so: sudo apt-get install mplayer=1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1
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07:55<jm_>gabbsmo: for example yes
07:56<gabbsmo>jm_: okay, my output is still the same
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07:57<jm_>gabbsmo: output from mplayer in the terminal?
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07:58<gabbsmo>jm_: yes, same as the one I pasted before. output says working, I don't see any video
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07:59<jm_>gabbsmo: but why is there no information about video from mplayer? are you sure this disc has video on it? :) does it have any VOB files?
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08:00<gabbsmo>jm_: it is a retail of The Alamo (2003)
08:00<jm_>gabbsmo: ok, do you see VOB files if you mount it?
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08:01<gabbsmo>jm_: yes there is vob-files in it, running VMware btw (said in forum-thread). Windows-explorer can see vob, ifo and so on
08:02<jm_>gabbsmo: wait, you're running mplayer in vmware?
08:02<gabbsmo>jm_: I am running debian in Vmware
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08:03<gabbsmo>jm_: I can see vobfiles in /cdrom
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08:03<jm_>gabbsmo: ok, and you have X running fine?
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08:04<gabbsmo>jm_: Think so, fluxbox is running well
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08:04<jm_>gabbsmo: hmm does it work if you play VOB files directly?
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08:06<gabbsmo>jm_ right-click in XFE > open with > mplayer
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08:06<gabbsmo>no there is no video playing
08:06<Razique>back :)
08:06<Razique>sometimes Gnome restarts,
08:06<jm_>gabbsmo: you can do mplayer file.vob
08:06<Razique>on Debian Etch under VMware
08:06<Razique>ever seen this ?
08:06<azeem>Razique: maybe you are out of memory?
08:06<azeem>did you setup a swap partition?
08:07<Razique>ah, well leme check
08:07<jm_>Razique: also check ~/.xsession-errors
08:07<Razique>sure, thanks
08:08<gabbsmo>jm_: Playing VTS_01_5.VOB.; still no video
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08:09<gabbsmo>oh wait!
08:09<jm_>gabbsmo: hmm does any other video file work?
08:09<gabbsmo>Seek failed
08:09<gabbsmo>Exiting... (End of file)
08:09<Razique>azeem: I do have a swap partition
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08:10<gabbsmo>jm_: dont have anything to test with, can you send something small over XDCC?
08:10<Razique>I guess it's about my memory, I have 4 gb thugh
08:10<gabbsmo>or ftp or w/e
08:10<gabbsmo>Razique running 32 or 64-bit linux?
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08:11<Razique>gabbsmo all my VM's are x86
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08:11<gabbsmo>Razique tried the AMD64, build of debian?
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08:12<gabbsmo>think you need it for 4GB memory
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08:13<jm_>gabbsmo: I can't dcc at work, there's shitloads of free videos on the net
08:13<Razique>gabbsmo I didn't cuz our productions servers are x86, morover I have another VM (Lenny) which runs fine
08:13<azeem>Razique: how much memory did you assign to the vmware session?
08:13<jm_>Razique: you need bigmem kernel to use all of the memory with 4G and 32bit kernel
08:13<Razique>azeem : I've only assigned 1,5 gb
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08:13<azeem>that should still be enough
08:14<Razique>It's an iMac intel Core 2 duo btw
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08:15<gabbsmo>jm_: can mplayer play quicktime?
08:15<jm_>gabbsmo: the one from d-m can
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08:18<gabbsmo>jm_: Error opening/init. the selected video_output (-vo) device.
08:19<jm_>gabbsmo: does it work with -vo x11?
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08:21<gabbsmo>jm_: yes sir it indeed do
08:21<jm_>gabbsmo: ok so it looks like your issue has to do with DVD reading in vmware/linux interaction with it
08:22<gabbsmo>jm_: so it should work when I install this to a "real" box?
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08:22<jm_>gabbsmo: no doubt
08:23<gabbsmo>jm_ okay. thanks for taking your time. I am very carful since the i686 that I want linux on run quite well under Win2k :p
08:23<gabbsmo>but M$ is closing security updates in 2010 and I need a new system :)
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08:24<jm_>gabbsmo: perhaps keep it and install linux on another disk in it
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08:25<gabbsmo>jm_: I'll problably do that
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08:28<gabbsmo>jm_: you seem to know what you are doing. any recomendations on this? for building fluxbox system with a commandline-install as base: debian or ubuntu-alternate?
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08:30<Razique> does ftp provides commands to select files by date ?
08:30<Razique>heck :/
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08:31<koollman>ftp provides basically nothing. some ftp clients try to be smarter
08:31<jm_>gabbsmo: I can't comment on ubuntu, never used it, but it shouldn't be much different than Debian
08:31<Razique>I have to write a script which cleans files on a remote ftp server
08:31<gabbsmo>jm_ i've only used the desktop version
08:31<jm_>Razique: lftp's mirror has --newer-than for servers that it can parse timestamp on
08:32<jm_>ahh that is not useful for you then
08:32<Razique>jm : I tested it, but I need to deploy it on the remote server ?
08:32<Razique>jm_ actually, I cannot
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08:33<Razique>the only way would be to get everything on the local server, sort thanks to find -mtime
08:33<jm_>Razique: nevermind, it's not really helpful for deletion
08:33<Razique>then put the result into the ftp
08:33<jm_>you can get ls -lrt output and parse that :)
08:34<Razique>jm_ yes or find either :p
08:34<Razique>I've written my beautiful script that does the stuff; sorting, archiving, sending
08:34<Razique>then my boss told me : na, it's FTP not SFTP, so NO SSH
08:35<Razique>I though "jeez"
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08:38<Razique>why hosters do not provied chrooted ssh :/
08:38*Razique needs guidance
08:38<jm_>what would you do with chrooted shell?
08:39<Razique>jm_ well sort my files remotely, tar 'em then send 'em
08:40<Razique>working with ftp is hard
08:40<jm_>Razique: for that you'd need access to several commands in chroot
08:41<Razique>jm_ yes but as I said, I can only use FTP
08:41<Razique>:p that the point :/
08:41<Razique>that's *
08:42<bremner>Razique: there exists ftpfs that hides the nastiness. Dunno how reliable it is
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08:42<jm_>Razique: try ftpfs
08:43<Razique>jm : do I need to setup it on the remote server ?
08:43<koollman>Razique: what kind of file do you want to 'clean' ? only based on date ? are you doing 'yet another ftp mirroring script'? something else ?
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08:44<jm_>Razique: no
08:44<Razique>koolman : I have thousands of file on a remote ftp server, I need to run a cron that will select files by date, tar the ones older than X days, and delete 'em after I send 'em on our local server
08:44<Razique>jm_ : thanks; i'll have a look :)
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08:46<Razique>jm_ : the site talks about fuseftp, seems like a recent implementation ?.
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08:48<jm_>Razique: apt-cache show curlftpfs
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08:49<Razique>jm_ hell there are so many references on the web :D fuse, fusbible, ftpfs, lufs
08:49<Razique>ahah :D
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08:50<jm_>Razique: yeah no doubt there is more than one implementation
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08:50<jm_>fuse is just the base they are built on
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08:50<Razique>jm_ thanks it seems to be what I'm looking for
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08:56<Razique>jm_ Thanks, i'm testing it, that's perfect ! ;-)
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08:58<Razique>I can only hopes that''s he could handles many files
08:58<Razique>that* (sorry)
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09:07<Razique>jm_ ah, I read that Curl does not work good on Etch with the libcurl
09:07<Razique>I have Lenny on the concerned server, but it's good to know :)
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09:07<jm_>Razique: why not upgrade to lenny?
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09:07<Razique>here is the backport
09:08<Arkenklo>what is the easiest way to change charset in a terminal for this session?
09:08<Razique>jm_ it's ok, the server runs Lenny
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09:08<Razique>we do have others which run Etch
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09:09<jm_>Arkenklo: what do you want to change it to?
09:11<Arkenklo>jm_: sv_dvorak or svorak, I use 'setxkbmap dvorak -variant sv' on X
09:11<Arkenklo>dvorak would do also
09:11<Arkenklo>damn, I don't think they're installed
09:11<jm_>Arkenklo: ahh so you mean keyboard layout then, and for tty devices?
09:11<Arkenklo>But I'll figure that out
09:11<Arkenklo>jm_: exactly
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09:12<jm_>Arkenklo: man loadkeys
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09:12<Arkenklo>jm_: thanks
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09:12<jm_>Arkenklo: you can configure this in Debian via console-*
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09:13<jm_>I always forget, console-tools, console-data, console-whatever ;)
09:13<Arkenklo>but that makes it default?
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09:13<Arkenklo>for all ttys?
09:14<Arkenklo>also, this works without 'standard system' installed, and changing default keymap also changes on remote ttys, like ssh?
09:15<jm_>no, for ssh it's your local keymap that matter - where client is running
09:15<Arkenklo>that make things easyer
09:15<jm_>ahh there's console-setup thing
09:16<Arkenklo>anyway, that's really all I wanted to know, now I know what to feed google
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09:18<Razique>dudes, how can I see all mounted drives ?
09:18<Razique>fstab ?
09:18<Razique>or fdisk ?
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09:18<jm_>mount command
09:18<Arkenklo>Razique: just type 'mount'
09:18<Razique>thanks :)
09:19<Razique>curlftps is PERFECT
09:19<Razique>that's work !
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09:19<Razique>u saved me several hours man :)
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09:20*Razique owes jm_
09:20<jm_>I would still make sure I have proper backup before using it :)
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09:21<Razique>well i'll try to tar first, check the tar, then finally delete
09:21<Razique>I can't really blow up
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09:21<Razique>"blow up" means 'fail' right ?
09:22<Arkenklo>Razique: unless you play with overclocking
09:23<Razique>why would I overclock our servers :D
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09:25<Swat2>is there _ANY_ way to kill a Ds process?
09:25<Swat2>appart from rebooting.
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09:34<Lokaf>Does anyone know where I would install Firefox? /usr/lib/mozilla/ ?
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09:35<Razique>Lokaf : Firefox or Iceweasel ?
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09:36<OdyX>Razique: code is the same ;)
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09:36<Razique>I know, but i wanted to say if he wants to setup Ice to make and aptitute
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09:43<Zathog>whats the difference between firefox and iceweasel?
09:43<artefact>the name
09:44<bremner>six lawyers and flamewar
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09:45<Razique>cd /halfop
09:46<Razique>bad windows sorry :D
09:46<maxb>The firefox name and graphics are restricted by Mozilla. In order to be legally permitted to distributed builds without obtaining signoff of every patch from Mozilla, it is rebranded iceweasel
09:46<Razique>maxb : yes so he could use aptitude install iceweaser
09:46<Razique>iceweasel* (arrhh)
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09:48<bremner>Dear Lazy Intarweb; is there an equivalent for latexdiff in debian?
09:48<djc>he quit less than a minute after he asked anyway
09:48<djc>before anyone said anything
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09:53<tails92>i've a problem: hal will not start because dbus isn't running. If I do invoke-rc.d dbus start it says: invoke-rc.d initscript dbus action "start" failed. What can I do ?
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09:56<orgthingy>hi, i cant use vt anymore for some reason :O (a blank screen comes up) when i do ctrl+alt+f1
09:56<enouf>might it not be dbus-1 ?
09:57<enouf>and was hal installed correctly? what does the hal error message say?
09:58<enouf>orgthingy: nvidia or ati drivers? or xorg ones, and if so, which one?
09:58<tails92>enouf: invoke-rc.d hal start says: can't start Hardyare abstraction layer - please ensure dbus is running
09:59<enouf>tails92: but why are you running invoke-rc.d hal ?
09:59<orgthingy>enouf: hmm, second
09:59<tails92>enouf: because hal doesn't start during boot
10:00<orgthingy>enouf: long time ago, there was a solution on ubuntu wiki
10:00<orgthingy>i mean, forums
10:00<enouf>i used "~$ find /etc/rc?.d/ -name '*dbus*'" to then locate these two files, /etc/rc2.d/S20dbus and /etc/rc2.d/S20dbus-1
10:00<orgthingy>but it got removed (they cleaned the old posts..)
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10:00<orgthingy>enouf: i have intel graphics card though
10:00<djc>orgthingy, try ctrl-alt-f2
10:00<djc>there are multiple consoles, by default
10:00<tails92>enouf: it says the same thing during boot than when I do invoke-rc.d dbus start
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10:01<orgthingy>djc: i know, nothing :(
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10:01<djc>orgthingy, are you using ubuntu, or debian?
10:01<orgthingy>is there a way to "refresh" the VT?
10:01<orgthingy>djc: debian
10:01<djc>does X work?
10:01<orgthingy>djc: but the ubuntu solution worked for me before..
10:01<orgthingy>djc: yes, Im using LXDE atm
10:02<djc>id try disableing X (disable gdm), and see if you can boot in text-only mode
10:02<orgthingy>disable gdm?
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10:02<djc>chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm ?
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10:03<orgthingy>sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop or isnt this it?
10:03<djc>or kdm, or whatever xdm you are using
10:03<tails92>enouf: find /etc/rc?.d/ -name '*dbus*'" returns me: /etc/rc1.d/K03dbus /etc/rc2.d/S02dbus /etc/rc3.d/S02dbus /etc/rc4.d/S02dbus /etc/rc5.d/S02dbus
10:03<djc>well, that will stop it, but it wont prevent it starting on next boot
10:03<enouf>tails92: enable bootlogd; /msg dpkg bootlogd (see if anymore useful messages then turn up in /var/log/boot) .. and what does "~$ dpkg -l \*dbus\* | grep ^.i" show (use a pastebin)
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10:04<enouf>yes, dbus-1 seems/appears old and deprecated
10:04<enouf>tails92: crap .. add hal to that dpkg -l command ;-)
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10:06<sun>hi i installed and my sources.list has some lines including which i havent seen before... what is it? are they needed?
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10:06<enouf>tails92: also, my dbus scripts are at S20, not S02, though i'm not sure which is correct
10:06<gsimmons>!tell sun -about volatile
10:06<mjt>S20 is the default
10:06<enouf>that, i do know
10:07<sun>gsimmons can you do that again nothing showed up on my side
10:07<gsimmons>sun: /msg dpkg volatile
10:08<enouf>mjt: yes, correct - especially if one uses "update-rc.d ... defaults" to add the symlinks
10:08<enouf>tails92: which version of Debian, and whose Kernel?
10:08<sun>gsimmons thanks
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10:11<tails92>enouf: testing/unstable 2.6.26-2-amd64
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10:13<Razique>need to reboot cya
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10:18<tails92>enouf: bootlog: dpkg:
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10:19<Razique>do u guys have servers with nice uptimes ?
10:19<Razique>liike hundred days
10:19<Razique>or thousands
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10:20<koollman>thousands would be a bad idea
10:20<koollman>that would mean unpatched kernels
10:21<Razique>for sure
10:21<koollman>although I had to reboot recently servers with 800+ days of uptime
10:21<Razique>but like 3 or 4 years ?
10:21<koollman>(and, sure enough, some of them had hardware troubles, and all of them were unpatched)
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10:23*mjt wonders why people care so much about uptime... it looks so.. childish...
10:24<OdyX>and unsecure…
10:24<cdlu>mjt, would you rather machines that need frequent reboot? uptime is a sign of stability and reliability. :)
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10:25<mjt>i'd rather plan for reboots when necessary. uptime by itself tells nothing.
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10:28<nijan>Hello all, what's the best way to replace chars in string using regexps? str.strip seems to accept only chars.
10:28<nijan>wrong channel, sorry
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10:32<tails92>enouf: Do you have any idea ?
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10:32<tails92>enouf: (bootlog) (and dpkg)
10:33<darthanub>is going from lenny to sid as easy as changing the source.list?
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10:34<Razique>the reason i asked you this is cuz a friend of mine has put on stage the uptime project
10:34<Razique>after the old site has closer
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10:37*alemani jumps in the Debian wagon!
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10:37<iWW>does anyone know if notify-osd is appearing in debian
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10:43<jthomas>Can I change the icon that X-apps use when displaying an icon on the taskbar (kde 4.2.2 on Sid). My rdesktop uses an ugly (X) and I'd prefer to set a custom icon; this isn't a KDE thing so I am asking here in the general channel...
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10:50<grasmanek94>hello can somebody help me?
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10:51<gsimmons>grasmanek94: Just go ahead and state your problem.
10:51<gsimmons>!tell grasmanek94 -about ask
10:51<Razique>grasmanek94 : what's ur problem
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10:51<grasmanek94>i downloaded ai's but the standart ai is gone :S
10:51<grasmanek94>when i use the downloaded the game just laggs to death
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10:52<grasmanek94>anyone? :P
10:52<bremner>!tell grasmanek about debian
10:53<EmleyMoor>Does this have anything to do with Debian?
10:53<grasmanek94>ee dunno what debian is :(
10:53<djc>wtf is an 'ai's' ?
10:53<EmleyMoor>Why are you here?
10:53<grasmanek94>ok sry... but what room can i ask help?
10:53<djc>with what?
10:53<grasmanek94>for openttd
10:53<EmleyMoor>#not-this-one <g>
10:53<djc>try google
10:53<petern>yeah, you want #openttd
10:54<djc>or that
10:54<petern>(on this server)
10:54<petern>oh, he's there
10:55<petern>(debian does not have 0.7.0 yet, so asking that here is a pretty dumb)
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11:00<tails92>I've a problem: hal will not start because dbus isn't running. If I do invoke-rc.d dbus start it says: invoke-rc.d initscript dbus action "start" failed. What can I do ?
11:01<EmleyMoor>tails92: You need to determine (from logs perhaps) why it fails
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11:02<EmleyMoor>tails92: Or see what the script tries to do and try to do it yourself
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11:04<tails92>EmleyMoor: I can put my /var/log/boot on pastebin
11:05<EmleyMoor>tails92: Does it show anything significant about dbus?
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11:08<tails92>EmleyMoor: line 40: Starting system message bus dbus
11:09<Razique>I can't remember the command to locate a directory
11:09<Razique>"locate" ?
11:09<Razique>locate -t etc...
11:09<EmleyMoor>tails92: No error shown
11:10<Razique>shame on me
11:10<Razique>find -t d -name "dirname"
11:12<tails92>EmleyMoor: I don't know what to do...
11:13<EmleyMoor>tails92: Well, you need to find out how the script starts dbus - then try to do it yourself to see what the problem is
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11:15<joe44>hi. yesterday I upgraded squeezy including the new 2.6.26-2-686 kernel. Now my touchpad and audio don't work. Can someone help me?
11:16<Razique>hi, try to reconfigure the whole thing
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11:16<Razique>I wouldn't say bullshits, try dpkg-reconfigure
11:16<enouf>tails92: had to be afk ..looking now
11:17<Razique>then ur concerned program
11:17<djc>squeeze is for experts/developers that know how to fix problems like that
11:17<Razique>OR dpkg-reconfigure -a
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11:17<Razique>gjc : I do agree either
11:17<djc>why do so many people try to run unstable under-development software that arent capable of solving their own problems
11:18<zmotok>djc: everything is unstable
11:18<djc>joe44, reformat and reinstall *lenny*, which is the current release for end-users
11:18<zmotok>and under development
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11:18<djc>there are degrees os instability
11:18<chealer>djc: squeeze is not unstable
11:18<tails92>EmleyMoor: I did: sudo dbus-daemon --system and now sudo invoke-rc.d dbus status * dbus is running
11:18<joe44>It's five years I run testing and I never had problems like this
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11:19<chealer>!tell joe44 about doesn't work
11:19<EmleyMoor>tails: Can you start hal?
11:19<djc>yes I know the tag is 'testing'
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11:19<djc>well guess what "test failed"
11:19<tails92>joe44: I have the same problem than you...
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11:20<Razique>joe44 what is ur hardware .
11:20<enouf>tails92: i see no "dbus" pkg installed although dbus-x11 depends on the dbus pkg
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11:21<joe44>lspci -->00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0). The snd-atiixp module is loaded
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11:23<tails92>enouf: apt-cache policy dbus return: "Installé : 1.2.12-1"
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11:24<enouf>tails92: cat /proc/cmdline says? also - your /var/log/boot has serious font issues .. i get a couple of lines like that, but yours is most lines
11:24<enouf>tails92: dpkg -l dbus | tail -n 1
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11:26<tails92>enouf: cat /proc/cmdline return: "root=/dev/sda2 ro vga=792 quiet"
11:26<Razique>joe44 : ok
11:26<Razique>you need to read the change logs and check your specific hardware
11:27<enouf>tails92: well, that looks ok - you might want to remove the quiet option though
11:27<tails92>enouf: Ok, I restart without quiet
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11:29<enouf>tails92: show me the dpkg output?
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11:32<tails92>enouf: iF dbus 1.2.12-1 simple interprocess messaging system
11:32<enouf>tails92: ahh
11:32<enouf>tails92: "apt-get install -f"
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11:34<tails92>enouf: I must go
11:34<malex>If I need to have a second gnome session running on vt8 just so I don't screw up my virtualbox instance by tinkering with the first session - is there a more modern way then loggin onto console and running startx -- :1 ?
11:34<tails92>enouf: I come back in 10-20min
11:35<Razique>apt-get install man
11:36<joe44>Razique: ok, I try
11:36<Razique>na it's a joke dude
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11:36<Razique>joe try dpkg-reconfigure -a
11:36<djc>malex, recent gdm support 'switch user'.. activate the screen saver/locker.. and one of the buttons will be 'switch user'.
11:36<joe44>I've done it, but othing
11:37<djc>although.. i think you can detach from virtualbox without ending it
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11:37<djc>hrm.. ok.. apparently not if you start it from the GUI
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11:38<Razique>how did ya upgrade ?
11:38<Razique>aptitude update
11:38<Razique>dist-upgrade ?
11:38<Razique>or upgrade only
11:38<Razique>(while I was typing I pressed several times my "tab" key :d)
11:39*Razique becomes addicted to the auto-completion
11:39<joe44>via aptitude. U, g, g
11:39<Razique>joe44 : ok but how ?
11:39<Razique>u changed ur sources.list ?
11:40<joe44>no, it is the same
11:40<Razique>then an apttitude update dist-upgrade ?
11:40<Razique>did Gnome was stopped ?
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11:41<Razique>I guess that's the point man
11:41<Razique>ALWAYS turn gnome off when u made such things
11:41<Razique>cuz you use libs that need to be updated
11:41<djc>thats not necesarry
11:42<Razique>djc : am I wrong ?
11:42<Razique>my mistake then :)
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11:42<Razique>I' had some issues this way, so now, I prefer to turn off Gnome
11:43<joe44>well, I update almost every day (within gnome) : I launch aptitude, then I press U, see the new packages, press +/- then gg
11:43<joe44>never had problems
11:43<Razique>I know
11:43<Razique>I was talinkg about upgrades
11:44<gunavara>hi anyone administrating websites hosting can give me an advice how to do it (what to use and stuff or a tutorial)
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11:45<jthomas>gunavara most howtos would be for Apache, check out, but there are other webservers like nginx, thttpd, cherokee, and more
11:46<gunavara>sweet, i've looked for pureftp with mysql but something went wrong and didnt worked how i wanted
11:46<gunavara>what are u using ?
11:46<jthomas>we use apache at my office. pureftp would be for FTP connections, not websites
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11:48<Razique>joe44 :
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11:49<Razique>i was thinking about version changed
11:49<Razique>when u switch from Etch to Lenny for instance
11:50<Razique>gunavara : Apache 2 / mySql / openssh / chroot : there you have a beautiful server :)
11:50<Razique>webserver actually
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11:51<Razique>You deploy some tools : subversion for ur users, Zabbix for you
11:51<jthomas>gunavara the basics would be: aptitude install apache2 ; then as root edit /etc/apache2/sites-availabe/000_default and have it point to the Document Root where your websites are stored; then link like this: ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/000_default /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
11:51<jthomas>Restart apache with 'apache2ctl -t' to test, 'apache2ctl -k graceful' to restart
11:52<gunavara>nice thanks
11:52*gunavara sends beer to jthomas
11:52<Razique>jthomas : I used to create another VHost than the default one, cuz if u screw the files
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11:52<Razique>u juste restore it
11:52<jthomas>but, that doesn't do any of the DNS setups, and its for a single site rather than a bunch of sites on the box (that is Virtual Hosting and a HowTo would be better)
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11:53<jthomas>ok so you know about those; then you'd create individual setups in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and link each to the sites-enabled/ directory
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11:53<Razique>jthomas, he's gone :D
11:53<jthomas>you also would have to give some NameVirtualHosts directives and a bit more.
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11:54<jthomas>well, then I'll drink the beer that he passed
11:54<Razique>here he is :)
11:54<Razique>gunavara : use to work with another VHost
11:54<gunavara>what is it ?
11:54<jthomas>gunavara for VHosts, you'd create individual setups in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and link each to the sites-enabled/ directory; you'd need some NameVirtualHosts setups also
11:55<Razique>there is a small issue on Lenny (apache2) and SSL directives through VHost
11:55<jthomas>oh? I've not noticed
11:55<Razique>well there is a message in the conf file
11:55<Razique>hold on i'll past it :)
11:55<jthomas>hmm my down arrow key isn't working today, why would that be?
11:55<Razique>too old ? :D
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11:56<jthomas>mayeb, the keybd is from 92 i think :)
11:56<gunavara>lolo :D
11:56<Razique>I was like 4
11:57<jthomas>ah it looks like 1998
11:58<jthomas>i found it in a trash last year; i love the clickyness of a good keybd
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11:59<Razique>j thomas, sorry i can"t find the line in the conf
11:59<jthomas>maybe its been fixed?
12:00<Razique>that was about an "issue" between the SSL directive on the Vhost on the 443 port
12:00<Razique>something this way
12:00<Razique>maybe yah
12:01<Razique>ah dude
12:01<Razique>I found
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12:01<Razique><IfModule mod_ssl.c>
12:01<Razique> # SSL name based virtual hosts are not yet supported, therefore no
12:01<Razique> # NameVirtualHost statement here
12:01<Razique> Listen 443
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12:03<Razique>I've been kicked, I pasted code here
12:03<jthomas>Razique i think thats not a bug; SSL cannot share an IP Address
12:03<jthomas>its not the code that got you kicked, it was the spanning of too many lines
12:03<Razique>ah ok
12:04<Razique>u mean sharing 80 / 443 for instance ?
12:04<djc>for ssl to work with multiple vhosts, each domain name with its own ssl cert has to have its own IP
12:04<jthomas>yeah. port 80 can be shared with many sites, but 443 (the SSL) cannot due to the way networking functions
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12:05<djc>thats not a debian bug or an apache bug, its inherent in the way https works
12:05<Razique>ok thanks
12:05<Razique>good to know
12:05<djc>the ssl setup needs the certificate in order to establish the session *before* a client has a change to specify a domain
12:05<Razique>actually, I don't have faced this case yey
12:05<Gathond>djc: it is possible to use wildcards in certificates though, not sure how many implementations actually work properly with it
12:06<Razique>gathong : that's right
12:06<Razique>sorry :D
12:06<enouf>use tab-completion :-P
12:06<Razique>ahha :D
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12:07*Razique tried tab-completion ;(
12:07<djc>yes one can have *
12:07<djc>but that doesnt help when you want and
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12:07<Razique>u mean hosted on the same server ?
12:08<Gathond>djc: true
12:08<djc>yes, if you need two different ssl sites at two domains, a wildcard isnt going to do you any
12:08<djc>each needs it own ip
12:09<djc>wether those are on the same webserver or not doesnt matter ;)
12:09<Razique>even through reverse proxies ?
12:09<Razique>can't ya find a workaround ?
12:09<jthomas>you could have 10 sites on one IP for standard access, and make just _one_ of those be SSL tho, with that same IP
12:10<djc>the webserver needs to knw what ssl certificate to send to the client to establish an ssl session *before* the client (browser) can tell the server which site it wants
12:11<djc>so while you could point multiple sites at the same IP, and access them via https
12:11<jthomas>no workaround; ssl needs to be verified at a lower level on the network stack before the web browser will allow a connection. unless you do the 'add exception' thing
12:11<djc>any that dont match the ssl cert the servers uses will give an ssl warning
12:11<djc>"warning you are acessing but the ssl cert is" etc
12:12<Razique>ah ok
12:12<djc>the ssl cert is exchanged *prior* to where name-virtual comes into play
12:12<jthomas>i bank at and their SSL is always bugging me ;)
12:12<djc>with name-virtual, the connection is made, then the browser says Host:
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12:12<Razique>without this, the certfi u generate passes validation ?
12:12<Razique>I mean when you don't use virtual hosts at all ?
12:12<djc>you have to use *IP* vitual for ssl
12:12<djc>not name vitual
12:13<Razique>cuz here all my auto-generated certif display a warning
12:13<djc>well, self-signed certs will always give a warning
12:13<djc>thats a seperate issue
12:13<djc>a different wanring
12:13<Razique>yah in the FQDN
12:13<Razique>i know ;)
12:13<jthomas>you connect to a; dns changes this to an IP; the webserver gets that IP:443 and passes the SSL to the browser which compares the SSL's Common Name ( to what you've typed in the browser; if they match (or you have an exception) then it establishes the connection and Apache sends the page
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12:13<Razique>very instructive guys :)
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12:14<djc>actually its the browser doing the comparison
12:14<djc>not the httpd
12:14<jthomas>yeah, sorry if that wasn't clear
12:14<djc>oh, i read too fast
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12:15<Razique>does the client browser can know what REAL ip is called
12:16<Razique>even through NAT
12:16<Razique>i mean, does it check if the ssl corresponds to an IP
12:16<Razique>into your network
12:16<someuser>into my network?
12:17<jthomas>no, the SSL has really nothing to do with an IP
12:17<Gathond>Razique: only if the IP is the common name in the certificate
12:17<jthomas>just for the DNS connection only
12:17<Gathond>Razique: in which case the user must type that IP into his browser instead of any hostname
12:17<jthomas>thats why SSLs aren't good to verify a site, like the sellers claim they are; they're only good to make a secure connection
12:18<Razique>I though so ;)
12:18<Razique>that's why we should then use the domain name as the FQDN rather than the ip
12:18<Gathond>jthomas: not entirely right, of cause the verification is only worth something if you really trust the guys with the root cert
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12:19<Gathond>which currently means you can trust them to have ensured they were paid
12:19<Razique>Gathond : that the hole problem today
12:19<Razique>customers know more about phising than ssl encryption ;)
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12:25<gunavara>hey anyone knows where i can download those video lessons for linux something like CBT training or such... ?
12:25<jthomas>linux journal (magazine) has some nice videos
12:26<jthomas> has nice writeups, but they don't always go into the WHY of what yoou do
12:26<Razique>gunavara : the best way to learn : setup a VM and enjoy urself :)
12:26<koollman>jthomas: you just gave me an idea
12:26<gunavara>oh i have machines :)
12:26<Razique>well sure u need tutos, but videos are useless
12:26<jthomas>koollman what is that?
12:26<koollman>how would you name the equivalent of 'howto', but that explain the 'why' ?
12:27<jthomas>WhyTo ?
12:27<koollman>not really
12:27<Razique>ahha :D
12:27<koollman>perhaps, yes ... I think that kind of document is often lacking
12:27<jthomas>i would very much enjoy HowTos if they said 'why' mor often
12:27<koollman>'reasons' ?
12:27<koollman>I just need a catchy name for it
12:27<Razique>well there is no need of why actually
12:27<jthomas>jost make better HowTos
12:27<koollman>then I will write some :)
12:27<Razique>the WHY is yours
12:27<ml>gunavara: maybe
12:27<Razique>WHY do u need to deploy this service
12:28<Razique>vpn tunnel
12:28<koollman>Razique: no. 'why' does it works that way, for example
12:28<jthomas>i'm more interested in, WHY do I need to install xyz to get abc working?
12:28<koollman>or 'why' do you need to reload it at that precise moment, or 'why' is that entry necessary in the conf
12:28<jthomas>WHY doesn't SSL work for multiple sites on one IP
12:28<Razique>ah ok
12:28<koollman>it's not important in a 'howto', but it is part of a good documentation
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12:28<Razique>get ur point guys
12:28<jthomas>yes yes, i would really like those
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12:29<koollman>I just can't find a word for it (well, except 'documentation', but that's too wide)
12:29<jthomas>Razique more like WHY does apache have links in its Debian setup
12:29<jthomas>or Razique WHY does debian have apt-get and aptitude
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12:29<koollman>perhaps just WHY
12:29<koollman>that would be enough
12:29<jthomas>i'l just messing with ya
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12:30<jthomas>koollman how about, "How2Why" ?
12:30<gunavara>cheers <3
12:30<Razique>these question are hard to answer
12:30<Razique>I don't think there are such tutos
12:30<koollman>Razique: they aren't that hard. I even know the answers :)
12:30<ml>gunavara: found it useful?
12:30<gunavara>exactly what i looked for
12:30<gunavara>thanks again
12:30<ml>great :)
12:30<ml>np enjoy
12:31<koollman>but, I wouldn't know how to find the answers if I was looking for it ..
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12:31<Razique>koollman can't really write about this can we ?
12:31<koollman>reasons, or 'why'. probably the former or a variation of it, the last one is too common to be indexed
12:31<koollman>Razique: if you don't know why something was done that way, you keep making the same mistakes
12:32<jthomas>koollman agreed; unfortunately another documentation site isn't likely needed; i got help earlier with some Intel graphics drivers stuff and that HowTo was on a blog; my blog has HowTos... why can there not be one place with real answers ever?
12:32<Razique>sure, but the answer cannot be read
12:32<Razique>it has to be found through ur mistakes
12:32<koollman>for example, apache 'symlinked' configuration means modules and sites can be managed with a2enmod, a2ensite and similars
12:32<Razique>it's more
12:32<jthomas>the only central place for such questions is the Ubu8ntu forums, and there is never a right answer there :)
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12:33<Razique>well if i write my Vhost in a way
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12:33<adb>koollman: WHYso blahblah?
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12:33<koollman>adb: hmm. right. I like that
12:34<Razique>that leads to a mistake, then i'll learn why it didn't worked
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12:35<Razique>empirism u know
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12:35<koollman>Razique: sure. but sometimes you don't have to make the mistake first
12:35<Razique>well mistakes are good teachers
12:36<koollman>(or sometimes it's embarassing to make that mistake, too ;) )
12:36<Razique>if you follow some tutos (sometimes weird)
12:36<Razique>and I do agree with ya
12:36<Razique>u don't understand
12:36<Razique>u simply follow
12:36<valdyn>howtos are a good way to do something you dont understand at all the wrong way ;)
12:37<Razique>now if u screw a production server, u'll need to understand WHY / HOW it went wrong, thus u'll seek for answers
12:37<jthomas>agreed, and that is often a problem, no knowledge is gained if people are afraid to play with anything
12:37<jthomas>they just follow and then are done
12:37<Razique>valdyn : nice one :)
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12:37<Razique>j thomas : exactyle
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12:37<Razique>the risk worth to be taken I thing
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12:38<Razique>better teacher there is none that ur own mistakes
12:38<jthomas>depends on the client whos server you're muching with :)
12:38<gravity>Even if you follow along with a tutorial, just try to understand what every command you enter is doing.
12:38<gravity>That means reading a lot of manpages and the like
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12:38<Razique>for sure
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12:39<Razique>this way u enjoy computer sciences
12:39<Razique>if you get the thing it's very exciting
12:39<Razique>i remember the first server I deployed at my work
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12:40<Razique>dude, what a mess :D
12:40<Razique>it looked like a huge ubuntu forum 's pasted into the server
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12:41<arty>hi some speake chez or SLovak? :))
12:42<jesusrl>Hi good afternon
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12:42<Razique>hi hi hi
12:42<arty>is here anzone who know verz verz well apps LFTP
12:42<Razique>in this way VM's are good
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12:42<arty>lftp "0
12:43<arty>know program lftp
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12:43<Razique>arty : what do you want ?
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12:43<jthomas>somewhat, arty
12:43<arty>Razique: how can I send some staff to another ftp
12:43<jthomas>you connect with the user and password at the command line: lftp i.p.add.ress -uUSERNAME,PASS [enter]
12:43<arty>Razique: with FXP to another ftp
12:44<jthomas>then mput localfilename
12:44<Razique>or open two windows with ur client
12:44<arty>jthomas: yop but I need to send to another ftp
12:44<Razique>one on the 1st server one the second one
12:44<Razique>then u make a drag & drop
12:44<jthomas>to another ftp what? another client? another ftp server?
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12:45<Razique>what means do u have ?
12:45<Razique>ssh ?
12:45<arty>no w8 :)
12:45<Razique>so u connect on the first server
12:45<Razique>then u open a ftp connection to the second server
12:45<Razique>k :p
12:46<arty>on one IP adress I have ssh here I need to connect to next and next one :)
12:46<Razique>so u have 4 servers ?
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12:46<arty>so I need to connect to 2 diferent ftp server
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12:46<arty>on one Im and to next 2 I need connect
12:46<Razique>do ftp's have also ssh ?
12:46<jesusrl>Which version do you recommend for stable network server?
12:47<Razique>jesusrl : Debian Lenny :)
12:47<Razique>it's stable for months now
12:47<arty>Razique: no only ftp
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12:47<Razique>how much gb ?
12:47<jesusrl>Any major change ETCH?
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12:48<Razique>from Etch to Lenny jesusrl ?
12:48<Razique>hell yes :)
12:48<Razique>glibc, Gnome, openssh
12:48<Razique>etc, etc
12:48<Razique>TONS of changes
12:49<Razique>what do you want ?
12:49<jesusrl>Using the guess etch kernel upgrade but something else important change
12:49<Razique>webserver, fileserver ?
12:49<jesusrl>No use Graphic :(
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12:49<bruce89>oh, and hello
12:49<jesusrl>Only Basic system
12:50<jesusrl>grax Razique ...
12:50<fxiny>arty: you can set bookmarks with lftp
12:50<arty>fxiny: no :( I cant
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12:50<Razique>grax ?
12:50<arty>dont know how
12:50<fxiny>arty: why not ?
12:50<ml>jesusrl: you can use text based browser to view
12:51<Razique>arty can't you use ur server to get all the datas from the ftp n°1
12:51<Razique>and put everything into the server 2 ?
12:51<ml>arty: and ncftp
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12:51<fxiny>lftp is better
12:51<arty>ml: ncftp?
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12:51<ml>fxiny: :P
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12:51<ml>arty: ftp client
12:52<arty>is there some ftp like mc :-D to know SSL transfer?
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12:52<Razique>gtg cya dudes
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12:52<ml>fxiny: what is the diff?
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12:53<fxiny>arty: a bookmark is like : local_dir/ ftp://user:pass@ipnumber/%2Fhome/user/remote_dir
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12:56<arty>fxiny: I have bookmark now what
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12:57<fxiny>ml: ncftp can't handle many files at the same time
12:57<arty>fxiny: can I query to you?
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12:57<fxiny>arty: nope
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12:58<ml>fxiny: oh
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12:59<ml>I'm used to ncftp but will lokk into lftp, but I think I did once and prefered nctp
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12:59<fxiny>arty: that line is in a file called ~/.lftp/mirror so you run : lftp -d -c 'open -e "mirror -R dir dir" -u user,pass remote_dir/
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13:00<fxiny>where dir dir are local and remote dir
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13:00<fxiny>so you forget abot everything and send recursive a full dir
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13:02<fxiny>arty: in this case you send (local) dir in remote_dir/dir
13:02<arty>fxiny: and If I wont to transfer with FXP?
13:02<arty>from one to another ftp?
13:03<fxiny>arty: i use lftp locally
13:03<fxiny>ftp must die :)
13:04<djc>the ftp protocol is obsolete. ssh/scp forever!
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13:04<arty>but in man is
13:04<arty> lftp has builtin mirror which can download or update a whole directory tree. There is also reverse mirror (mirror -R) which uploads or updates a
13:04<arty> directory tree on server. Mirror can also synchronize directories between two remote servers, using FXP if available.
13:04<arty>and this I need
13:05<djc>and for editing html, copying files is silly anyway. ssh in and edit on the server :P
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13:07<brunner>Has anyone ever heard of an ISP blocking port 8000 *outbound*?
13:07<fxiny>yiou want to know more ? the other day weasel typed here (i have a note) : scp , sshfs , sftp , ssh tar pipe , rsync , uucp over ssh , cat through ssh,port forward with ssh and netcat it over a port .
13:08<fxiny>someone just asked about ssh ;)
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13:12<fxiny>arty: syncronize ? rsync --delete -e ssh local/ user@remote/path/dir
13:12<fxiny>much better then ftp
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13:13<fxiny>i don't like unison
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13:17<djc>fxiny, sshfs over rfc1149
13:17<CrazyZs>If an upgrade is giving me a problem, which channel do I need to post a question on?
13:17<djc>upgrade to what?
13:18<CrazyZs>an upgrade I did today. download updated testing packages...
13:18<djc>an upgrade to what
13:18<djc>from what
13:18<djc>your car? your toaster?
13:18<djc>your wardrobe?
13:18<djc>windows xp to vista?
13:18<fxiny>djc: or duplicity
13:18<CrazyZs>testing. just did the apt-get update; and upgrade in aptitude the new packages.
13:19<djc>say "an upgrade to my debian system"
13:19<djc>you have 'sqeeze' in your sources.list?
13:19<CrazyZs>Now my system hangs and i get messages [init: Id "2" respawning too fast:]
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13:20<CrazyZs>no I don't have squeeze in my sources list. The system hangs going into normal runleve, but works if single.
13:20<djc>what release do you have installed
13:20<fxiny>djc: i have vsftp remote , and here in a vserver sharing home with the host , dunno why i've done it but is pretty weird
13:20<fxiny>same for rtorrent
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13:20<djc>and what release *do* you have in your sources.list
13:20<fxiny>is just fun
13:20<CrazyZs>networking offline as well. Testing is installed. last updated April 2
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13:21<djc>on a side note, it is not recommended to use the meta-names (stable, testing, unstable) to install and/or upgrade to.. use the actual release name (lenny, squeeze, sid)
13:22<djc>well unstable is always sid so if you are going there it doesnt matter
13:22<CrazyZs>no not unstable
13:22<CrazyZs>source testing main contrib non-free
13:22<djc>which at the moment is 'squeeze'
13:23<CrazyZs>hadn't heard the new name, sorry.
13:23<djc>is there some reason you are using the testing release rather than the stable one?
13:23<dpkg>somebody said releases was See for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases.
13:23<djc>note that what was testing about a month and a half ago, is now 'lenny', and is considered 'stable'
13:24<djc>so if you installed longer ago than that, you had something that was close to 'stable'..
13:24<CrazyZs>had to do at the time with available drivers.
13:25<djc>and if did install when 'testing' was 'lenny', you would have been better of using the name 'lenny' than 'testing'
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13:25<CrazyZs>installed a LONG time ago. used to be stable, then upgraded to testing for newer kernel and drivers, but again that was a long time ago. been running 'sqeeze'
13:25<djc>since now testing points at squeeze, into which new packages which may break things are being put
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13:26<djc>I beleive there is a mailing list you should probably be following if you are running the testing release (but again, Id change that 'testing' in your sources to 'squeeze', so that someday down the line when they release again you dont upgrade from squeeze to ???? without relizing it)
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13:26<bruce89>oh dear
13:26<CrazyZs>I understand that things might break. I've been administering Linux systems for about 10 years now. Testing is usually quite stable, and even unstable is quite stable....usually.
13:27<fxiny>not after a new release
13:27<CrazyZs>I really need to know if anyone has any thoughts on why this might be happening?
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13:27<CrazyZs>A particular package?
13:27<djc>ive seen quite a lot of discussion of breakage related to squeeze.. some related to X, some to sound
13:27<djc>I don't pay much attention to it, I'm content staying with lenny
13:28<fxiny>me too
13:28<djc>I like my machine to work
13:28<fxiny>i love stable
13:28<djc>When squeeze is released, I'll consider upgrading
13:28<fxiny>and long release cycle
13:28<djc>but not by accident, I have 'lenny' in my sources, not 'stable'
13:29<djc>My upgrade will be intentional
13:29<CrazyZs>my upgrade was intentional, but thanks.
13:29<djc>you had lenny and upgraded to squeeze?
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13:29<djc>or you were following 'testing', which siwtched from being lenny to squeeze before you even knew the new name?
13:29<CrazyZs>I upgraded to squeeze right after it became testing, so what is that, a couple of months?
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13:30<gravity>squeeze's X is still the same as lenny's
13:30<djc>hopefully you didnt install 'stable', when it was etch and then upgrade to testing and go to squeeze
13:31<djc>becuase then you quite possibly have a mess
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13:31<CrazyZs>Is there any way that everyone might get off the naming and which version, and possibly shoot me a clue as to what you might have seen cause this issue?
13:31<mjt>. o O { wonderful mess inside... }
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13:32<djc>it depends.. you currently have 'squeeze'.. did you previously have etch or lenny?
13:32<CrazyZs>I don't have a mess, because the system has been doing fine as lenny, then after the several updates in squeeze, until today.
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13:32<djc>ok, that was the question.. was it in fact lenny
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13:33<djc>If you X isnt working, I'd login on a vty and look in the logs to see why
13:33<Guest436>hi friend, am i landed in some alien word
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13:33<CrazyZs>Yes I previously had lenny installed and did the dist upgrade in aptitude so all packages were nice and shiny. but that was a while ago.
13:33<djc>guest436 that depends, are you running debian linux?
13:33<CrazyZs>I have looked at the logs. nothing after the init hangs.
13:34<djc>then it shouldnt be that alien
13:34<CrazyZs>Yes I'm running Debian Linux
13:34<fxiny>Guest436: next stop is planet claire :P
13:34<djc>CrazyZs, I was asnwering Guest's question
13:34<fxiny>ml: ;)
13:34<Guest436>ya i find every one too technical it some special room.....
13:34<djc>you looked at X's logs?
13:35<djc>/var/log/X.0.log ?
13:35<CrazyZs>I don't even get a normal prompt when booting past single, so X isn't the problem guys.
13:35<djc>Oh.. you cant even boot up to text?
13:35<CrazyZs>No. Only in single.
13:36<djc>you said something about id '2' failing
13:36<djc>checked /etc/inittab to see what that is?
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13:36<djc>hrm. its a getty
13:36<neal_>The dozen or so links I've tried from are dead.
13:37<CrazyZs>yes. that is the message I get from init in the logs. says respawning too fast. other things failing too [networking] from the messages.
13:37<Guest436>fine i should not distrub you all, bye...... and have a great day
13:37<djc>guest436, if you have a question go ahead and ask it
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13:37<djc>CrazyZs, can you start anything (say networking) from single user?
13:37<djc>are all fs's mounting?
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13:38<djc>have you tried booting the previous kernel grom grub?
13:38<Guest436>Actually I am just run the linux form Knoppix 5.3 DVD version..........
13:38<CrazyZs>well, other things run [mysql, cron, etc] from the logs when booting single. the messages state that the adapter isn't found, so can't even try to start.
13:38<djc>guest436 Ah ok.. This is a support channel for Debian Linux.
13:38<CrazyZs>Yes, tried previous kernel
13:39<neal_>hmm, seems that is bug 523629, sorry for the noise.
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13:39<djc>same bahavior?
13:39<fxiny>Guest436: why not joining this frienldy chan installing debian ?
13:39<djc>does lspci show your hardware? can you modprobe your nic driver?
13:39<CrazyZs>how do I get to see bug 523629
13:39<fxiny>Guest436: knoppix is not supported here
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13:40<djc>I think that was relating to neals question about manuals
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13:40<Guest436>sorry to ask.....but what is debian Linux and how it is better than existing one
13:40<CrazyZs>haven't tried to do it manually, they normally get loaded at startup just fine.
13:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian is See
13:41<djc>CrazyZs, sounds like its time to try stuff manually, until you can find out what is causing the breakage
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13:41<djc>I beleive that bug was related to neals question
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13:41<djc>not yours
13:41<djc>"<neal_> The dozen or so links I've tried from are dead."
13:41<CrazyZs>I know, but good to know for future.
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13:42<fxiny>is right : 404
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13:43<djc>omg my head hurts.. time to go to bed
13:44<djc>CrazyZs, really, all I can suggest is get into the single user prompt and poke around.. see what you can make work
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14:02<derrick-mary>any reason why I have to restart my computer several times before it actually boots into ubuntu 8.04
14:03<RichiH>derrick-mary: wrong channel
14:03<RichiH>#ubuntu on
14:03<derrick-mary>even the right one noone answers me
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14:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:04<derrick-mary>so do you recommend a different os
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14:05<Supaplex>hummmm what would we reccomend?
14:05<Razique>arty ?
14:05<derrick-mary>such as a debian based one
14:05<Supaplex>!debian based
14:05<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
14:05<Supaplex>why not go for the real thing?
14:05<derrick-mary>ubuntu 8.04 works ok but i am tired of losing so much info
14:05<ml>derrick-mary: if you want Ubuntu support got to #ubuntu on freenode
14:05<Supaplex>do you know if it's hardware related?
14:06<derrick-mary>i know that it is software related
14:06<RichiH>in that case, i suggest a clean reinstall
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14:06<RichiH>as you said your system hang, in #ubuntu
14:06<RichiH>which makes me think of data corruption
14:06<ml>but why not use Debian instead
14:06<derrick-mary>just listen ok i like i love linux i hate windows but i would like a more user friendly os then windows also
14:07<RichiH>with your reinstall, you can decide if you want to try debian
14:07<RichiH>derrick-mary: it's mainly getting used to the different ways of linux
14:07<derrick-mary>so there is an ubuntu debian version
14:07<bruce89>derrick-mary: err
14:07<ml>derrick-mary: no
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14:07<derrick-mary>i am sorry
14:07<RichiH>derrick-mary: for all you care about, debian and ubuntu are completely different
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14:07<derrick-mary>debian is more stable?
14:08<bruce89>a lot more
14:08<RichiH>they share some things, but from you point of view, they happen to have the same program installation routines. nothing else
14:08<derrick-mary>so where do I go to burn an iso?
14:08<RichiH>yes, it is
14:08<myxie>completely? hmm, anyway - anyone hear familiar with gdm?
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14:08<dpkg>it has been said that netinst is a small CD (or set of floppy images) which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <pppoe install>, <netboot>.
14:08<daedhel>i'm sorry, i'm too curious... Debian more stable than what?
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14:08<bruce89>Debian doesn't share Ubuntu's mad patches also
14:09<RichiH>Anonymous_User: ?
14:09<derrick-mary>so what web site should i look for debian
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14:09<RichiH>bruce89: they share some, they don't share others
14:09<derrick-mary>you know to read up on it
14:09<ml>derrick-mary: read up at dpkg
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14:09<bruce89>RichiH: the Jaunty nonsense is what made me move
14:09<Hydroxide>derrick-mary: is the main site
14:09<derrick-mary>thank you yes i agree jaunty sucks
14:10<daedhel>ohh your talking about ubuntu
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14:10<derrick-mary>can you customize the desktop like ubuntu
14:10<ml>derrick-mary: just downlload the netinstall, if you have broadband
14:10<ml>derrick-mary: yes
14:10<derrick-mary>yeah i have broadband
14:10<derrick-mary>dialup sucks
14:11<derrick-mary>i appreciate the info guys
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14:11<derrick-mary>i will install debian on a different partition before i let hardy go just to see how stable it is
14:11<myxie>I'm having trouble with dual screen setup, gdm and a second login. The dual bit is incidental, the point is that gdm ignores my .conf file for freshly started X servers.
14:13<myxie>!seen netgod
14:13<dpkg>i haven't seen 'netgod', myxie
14:13<daedhel>I have made a cron job, as root, with "crontab -e" here it is: */10 * * * * root apt-get update | apt-get -us dist-upgrade | grep enlever > /var/log/apt-get_dist-upgrade_conky ---- it just does not prints its result to /var/log/apt-get_dist-upgrade_conky ... Anyone has a clue why?
14:14<daedhel>derrick-mary, belive me, you won't regret the move do debian
14:14<stew>daedhel: probably becuase you don't have a "root" command
14:14<poisonbit>myxie, look at 3.2 in
14:14<myxie>Pehaps you meant to write: { apt-get ...; apt-get; } | grep ... > file
14:14<RichiH>derrick-mary: you want to try testing, not stable, imo
14:14<daedhel>stew, thanks, but i'm sorry, I don't know what is a root command
14:14<stew>daedhel: you are saying "every ten minute, run the command "root apt-get update" then take the output of that command and send it as input to the command "apt-get -us dist-upgrade"...
14:14<RichiH>otoh, you can got with stable for half a year and _then_ migrate to testing
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14:15<daedhel>stew ok! I get it
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14:15<stew>daedhel: i don't know either, but you are saying to run "root apt-get update" you probably just want "apt-get update". and you probably don't want to pipe the output into another apt-get command
14:15<poisonbit>daedhel, personal crontabs (crontab -e) doesn't have a "user" column... like /etc/crontab
14:15<RichiH>daedhel: i hope you have pdiffs enabled
14:15<stew>daedhel: and its pretty silly to run such a thing ever 10 minutes, since debian is only updated 4 times a day
14:15<myxie>root's crontab has username as well!
14:16<Nazcafan>I am trying to make a bootable install usb stick for debian lenny
14:16<RichiH>getting the full updates every ten minutes is kinda unfair for the mirrors
14:16<daedhel>stew lol ok thanks for the info
14:16<stew>daedhel: you may instead want to look at the apticron package which does this kind of thing for you
14:16<stew>myxie: no, it doesn't
14:16<poisonbit>see manpage
14:17<myxie>I meant the system crontab. Yes, man 5 crontab.
14:17<stew>myxie: you don't edit the system crontab with crontab -e
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14:18<daedhel>ok so let me try another config ... would this bwe ok? */10 * * * * apt-get update && apt-get -us dist-upgrade | grep enlever > /var/log/apt-get_dist-upgrade_conky
14:19<poisonbit>the system crontab is /etc/crontab and has "user" column.... crontab -e as root opens /var/spool/crontabs/root or something like, and does not have "user" because is a "per user" file
14:19<myxie>poisonbit: not quite what I wanted, that's for two X servers on the different screens. Mine already has flexible and just one server section.
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14:20<daedhel>so you would suggest me to edit /etc/crontab with any text editor and add "root" as the user ?
14:20<myxie>stew: yes, I failed to read the original request. In this case, just reading the a few manual pages should help.
14:20<poisonbit>o sorry mixie, may be you can improve the wiki when you reach that :)
14:20<myxie>I doubt it, I expect it's a bug in gdm.
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14:21<myxie>daedhel: no, take a look at /etc/cron.d/daily (I think)
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14:21<poisonbit>daedhel, bot ways are right... only remember about what you choose when you backup, migrate, change, etc the machine, or check bot places :-)
14:22<myxie>- /etc/cron.daily, create a script in there dto do your stuff
14:22<poisonbit>daedhel, anyway if you have a working MTA apticron is prety cool as stew said
14:22<ml>why not just use root's crontab
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14:23<myxie>ml: not the Debian way :-)
14:23<daedhel>i'm sorry if this looks like a RTFM issue, but i'm get contradicatary advise from man, wiki, and irc users. some say "never edit cron jobs with something else than --crontab -e-- as root" some other say "edit /etc/crontab" and some other say "use the /etc/cron.hourly"
14:23<petemc>they're different things
14:23<Nazcafan>I downloaded a boot.img.gz file and zcat'ed' it to /dev/usb-drive, but they say I need to add now an iso from a netinstall, do I need to just copy the iso file, or unarchive it into the newly created partition?
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14:24<myxie>crontab -e for root seems wrong - don't treat root as a normal user; /etc/crontab is probably a conffile and editting it will cause you pain on upgrades
14:24<daedhel>poisonbit, MTA apticron ?? looking for this right now on google, as I never heard of it before
14:24<petemc>using /etc/crontab is perfectly fine
14:25<stew>myxie: so what do you suggest if not crontab -e or /etc/crontab?
14:25<Supaplex>I don't expect cron to change in the next decade with respect to conf files. upgrades should be seamless.
14:25<poisonbit>daedhel, MTE -> Mail Transfer Agent (like exim), apticron -> a debian package and you will get info about available updates on your inbox
14:26<myxie>Hmm, there is already a /etc/cron.daily/apt but if you want custom stuff then I recommend creating an executable script in the directory /etc/cron.daily.
14:26<poisonbit>MTA sorry
14:26<ml>I hvae being using root's crontab for a while with no problems
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14:27<Supaplex>I've never had an issue with crontabs owned by root.
14:27<mjt>there's also /etc/cron.d/ - one can place root crontabs into there.
14:27<fxiny>same here
14:27<stew>mjt: except the cron manpage specifically says not to use that dir
14:27<myxie>Well, I've been running Debian for over a decade (soo old, where's my teeth, etc. etc.) and you learn best from your mistakes I suppose. Especially when it comes to backups. ;-)
14:27<mjt>stew: got a reason as of why?
14:28<daedhel>ok... the fisrt thing I did was mkdir /etc/cron.tenminutly , and then change the /etc/crontab so it executes everything in /etc/cron.tenminutly once every ten minutes, and then I added a script in that folder. Am I playing with fire? in regard to your las comments, I consider going back to this method
14:28<fxiny>root is a user we own :P
14:28<stew>mjt: no
14:28<mjt>stew: i don't see that. care to cite it?
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14:28<stew>mjt: "In general, the admin should not use /etc/cron.d/, but use the standard system crontab /etc/crontab."
14:28<stew>mjt: in man 8 cron
14:29<myxie>A job every 10 minutes deserves special configuration I suppose.
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14:29<Razique>do you know why when I tranfser a file
14:29<Razique>with accent
14:29<Razique>like ^ù
14:30<Razique>in my box, it becomes ?
14:30<stew>!tell Razique about enter
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14:30<Razique>stew : what ? :)
14:30<daedhel>hmm the final question : is "crontab -e" as root a good practice, or should it be avoided
14:31<daedhel>Razique, you have a encoding problem
14:31<mjt>stew: aha got it. Well, that's.. backwards. /etc/crontab were SPLIT into /etc/cron.d/ because single-file-per-package is more manageable than one large file. cron.d/ is *designed* to be used for local crontabs when /etc/crontab will be keept up-to-date on upgrades. I'd say it's a documentation bug.
14:31<daedhel>conflict between utf8 encoding an iso encoding
14:31<Razique>I get the file through an html form
14:32<myxie>And the winner is ... /etc/cron.d - surely this is on a FAQ somewhere
14:32<Razique>is there any link with the fact that I make a htmlentities on the filename ?
14:32<daedhel>Razique, so the web server's encoding must be different from yours
14:32<mjt>but any way will do really - /etc/crontab (watch for upgrades if you change this file), /etc/cron.d/ (watch for conflicting filenames), or crontab -e as root.
14:32<Razique>well they run on the same server :p
14:32<stew>mjt: please file a bug then
14:32<Razique>my php page and the storage server
14:32<mjt>stew: i don't really care ;)
14:32<daedhel>mjt, so basically, safest way is "crontab -e" as root
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14:33<stew>daedhel: as long as the job is to be run as root
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14:33<mjt>daedhel: you can name your crontabs prefixed by daedhel- for example, in cron.d/
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14:33<mjt>(to avoid clashes)
14:34<poisonbit>good point
14:34<fxiny>i have just one entry in my root crontab : /usr/sbin/ntpdate
14:34<daedhel>Razique, might be your specified encoding in you html pages, you php.ini or things like that
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14:34<Razique>daedhel : i'll check
14:34<stew>fxiny: why run (the broken, deprecated) ntpdate instead of just running ntpd
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14:35<fxiny>stew: i know that
14:35<daedhel>mjt, but apt-get has to be run as root
14:35<fxiny>stew: i should change it
14:35<mjt>daedhel: and?
14:35<stew>daedhel: just use crontab -e as you were doing, there is nothing wrong with it
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14:35<daedhel>mjt, i don't understand the point of pefixing it with daedhel
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14:36<daedhel>stew, ok, adopted
14:36<mjt>daedhel: just to avoid possible name clash with some package installing stuff into /etc/cron.d/
14:36<stew>daedhel: well you aren't supposed to be putting files in there at all, so he's trying to minimize the chance that something goes wrong
14:36<daedhel>mjt, ok!
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14:36<mjt>daedhel: it has nothing to do with what USER it is run as?
14:36<poisonbit>maybe hostname-scriptname
14:36<daedhel>ok, its just the name of the file, I get it
14:36<stew>daedhel: since it has to run as root, use "crontab -e" is appropriate
14:37<daedhel>stew, ok
14:37<stew>daedhel: and if you haven't looked already, apticron can probably do what you want already
14:37<mjt>personally i prefer keeping root crontabs in /etc, because those are usually system-wide maintenance, as opposed to user-specific stuff.
14:37<daedhel>hmm its the customized output that bugs me
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14:38<daedhel>recap : "cronta -e" this job : */10 * * * * apt-get update && apt-get -us dist-upgrade | grep enlever > /var/log/apt-get_dist-upgrade_conky
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14:39<daedhel>*crontab -e
14:39<fxiny>from a backup point of view , root crontab is ok , you just back up /var/spool/cron/crontab
14:39<daedhel>is that right ?
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14:40<stew>daedhel: why do you want to run that every 10 minutes?
14:40<myxie>And did you want to truncate the log every time?
14:40<dkr>daedhel: you might want to use >>
14:41<daedhel>this output will be read by conky
14:41<daedhel>dkr, I want the output to erase previous content every time
14:41<daedhel>stew, 10 minutes is too much, I agree
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14:41<dkr>ok, that's just not normal log behavior. as long as you are aware
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14:42<fxiny>why not just subscribing to debian-security-announce and run aptitude update when you get a DSA , or n DSA ?
14:42<daedhel>dkr, yup, this a pseudo-log, wich will be used only by conky
14:42<fxiny>every ten minutes is useless
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14:42<daedhel>fxiny, i'm sorry I have no idea about this
14:43<daedhel>i just try to find solutions with what I know
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14:43<daedhel>i'm still a newbie in various areas
14:43<dkr>we all are
14:43<Supaplex>well now you have an idea, right?
14:43<fxiny>daedhel: like this : Subject: [SECURITY] [DSA 1770-1] New imp4 packages fix cross-site scripting , it makes sense updating when you get a DSA
14:43<daedhel>but your help is precious
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14:44<stew>daedhel: what is your actual goal? what are you hoping conky is going to be warning you about?
14:44<fxiny>daedhel: you can subscribe to
14:45<poisonbit>daedhel, stew, look this is based in a fork of apticron (in perl) to see updates on machines:
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14:45<poisonbit>(in spanish)
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14:45<poisonbit>clicking on red things you see a detailed page, and the tables has "titles" on the links whit the names of the updateable packages
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14:46<daedhel>I use a french system, so grepping "enlever" gives me the last line : 1 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour.
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14:46<daedhel>poisonbit, nice!
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14:48<daedhel>package cront-apt is also nice
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14:50<mjt>daedhel: s/cront-apt/cron-apt/
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14:51<daedhel>poisonbit, fxiny , stew , dkr , mjt , myxie , thanks guys :)
14:52<daedhel>see ya!
14:52<poisonbit>see ya!
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14:53<poisonbit>it also uses google to generate disk charts
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15:05<cesurasean1>I'm using VirtualBox OSE, and I've installed Windows 2008 Enterprise server onto one of the VMs, but the ethernet is not working. Anyone have a clue how to fix this?
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15:06<cesurasean1>shouldn't the drivers be installed automatically?
15:06<cesurasean1>is this a Microsoft issue, or Virtualbox?
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15:07<Cyorxamp>How big would you say a netinst is with just "standard system" for lenny when installed... - roughly?
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15:10<poisonbit>i don't remember but if you want to keep tiny, y use to launch "expert" install and skip the "Select and install packages" menú of the installer
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15:10<petemc>no need to use expert to do that
15:10<poisonbit>if you "skip" (don't enter) it, you get about 18/20 packages less
15:11<poisonbit>petemc, how ?
15:11<petemc>just dont install any packages
15:11<poisonbit>you get more packages
15:11<Cyorxamp>no thats not what I asked, I don't mind having 'Standard system'
15:11<petemc>poisonbit: which packages?
15:12<poisonbit>an also in expert you can skip pcmcia-utils
15:12<Cyorxamp>but just want a rough estimate on the final size - so I how a minimum number of gigs for the partition
15:12<Cyorxamp>*know how
15:12<petemc>Cyorxamp: i dont think its much over a gig, if that
15:12<Cyorxamp>ok a couple of gigs then?
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15:12<petemc>should be plenty
15:13<Cyorxamp>only a 40gb disk, gonna put debian & mythtv on it - other partition with have recodings
15:13<petemc>why partition it at all?
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15:13<Cyorxamp>it's traditional mostly
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15:14<Cyorxamp>I do it on all my systems, a /mnt/Desktop which is a seperate partition for files I haven't sorted out yet
15:14<Cyorxamp>then I symlink /home/user/Desktop to it
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15:14<Cyorxamp>on a server it stores mysql databases, web sites, mail boxes, etc etc
15:15<Cyorxamp>basically critical data goes on another partition in case the main one fucks itself
15:15<petemc>thats.. odd
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15:15<Cyorxamp>gonna say 5gb to be sure, might put a few living room friendly arcade games on it
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15:16<Cromet>Im new on linux, is there a standard prog for .net acc?
15:16<Cromet>Or do I have to dl?
15:17<poisonbit>Cromet, ".net acc" ?
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15:17<poisonbit>my mother uses amsn
15:17<Cromet>my too ^
15:17<Cromet>and all my friends
15:17<poisonbit>pidgin is compatible, but doesn't have webcam support
15:18<Cromet>why would I want to use webcam...
15:18<ml>what would be the best way to keep time synchronized
15:18<poisonbit>ml in lenny ntpd is the default
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15:18<ml>poisonbit: ok will try that thanks
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15:19<Ben90>i need help with playing dvds on debian
15:19<scorpion>what .nfo?
15:19<Ben90>i'm running debian 5.00 (lenny
15:20<scorpion>я тоже
15:20<Ben90>it keeps saying the media is encrypted. what do i do about that?
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15:21<dpkg>it has been said that libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling CSS-encrypted DVDs which is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To get it, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or ask me about <> or <debian-unofficial>.
15:21<ml>Ben90: you need libdvdcss2, libdvdnav4, libdvdread4
15:21<Ben90>ok 1 sec
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15:26<krishna>hi, I just instelled debian/lenny on a Dell PowerEdge Server with 4 discs on RAID 10 (1+0), but could not boot it. I transfered the boot partition to an external memory stick, set /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab properly and system boots ok now.
15:26<krishna> I'd like to know if it's possible to have a raid 10 set to boot or I do have to use /boot on external media or another hd.
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15:28<krishna>anyone ever attempted to install on a RAID 10 volume?
15:29<dondelelcaro>lots of people have
15:29<poisonbit>i never, but i remember that on software raid servers i use to manually install grub in all devices of the raid
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15:29<dondelelcaro>krishna: but if you're using software raid 1+0, you need to have a separate /boot partition; generally you do it with raid 1 over all of the drives
15:30<dondelelcaro>(since you only need 50-150M for /boot, it's not a huge deal)
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15:30<krishna>dondelelcaro: its hardware raid
15:30<dondelelcaro>krishna: then it shouldn't matter. hardware raid behaves just like a single disk
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15:31<iiv>problem with Exim 4.69: sending emails failed and Mailer-Daemon returns error - 'all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts'
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15:32<poisonbit>krishna, when "could not boot it" where twas stoped the boot proccess?
15:32<krishna>dondelelcaro: I thought so; it is really recognized as a single disk by debian-installer, but just does not boot after install finishes
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15:33<krishna>poisonbit: didn't even show grub first screen
15:34<Sunkan85>anyone that can help me to connect to my wlan? Im noob in Knoppix :)
15:35<cahoot>fel kanal
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15:35<Sunkan85>ok vart tar jag mig da?
15:35<cahoot>#knoppix possibly
15:36<krishna>poisonbit: I also tryed lilo, which was able to "start", but didn't find my partitions correctly and stopped on a intiramfs shell, I think
15:36<conan>would it be possable to get the command to install extras
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15:37<conan>opps I think im in the wrong channel ..
15:37<dondelelcaro>krishna: does any part of grub work?
15:38<iiv>DNS MX record exist, what should be modified in exim config to fix it?
15:38<dondelelcaro>krishna: and if you get dropped back into an initramfs, that means that the root line you're passing to the kernel is wrong
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15:38<dondelelcaro>iiv: which host?
15:39<krishna>dondelelcaro: but I was not able to fix it :-( grub did not work at all before I installed it in an external media
15:39<iiv>client or server?
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15:39<dondelelcaro>iiv: what host is it giving the error for?
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15:40<iiv>email sending from the same machine where exim is
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15:41<dondelelcaro>iiv: to which host?
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15:42<iiv>client - lenny, server - Sendmail on FreeBSD all in local network
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15:43<dondelelcaro>iiv: which host that you're sending mail to does exim return that error for? that is, you're sending mail to, what's the
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15:48<dondelelcaro>iiv: and what does dig -t MX gm.home; output?
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15:55<dondelelcaro>iiv: please keep it in the channel; you need a gw IN A <some address>; which you apparently don't have
15:55<Cromet>any1 wanna give me a laptop? :D
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16:00<iiv>dindelelcaro: Well, I'll try it, but is there way to fix this in Exim configuration?
16:00<dondelelcaro>iiv: it's actually nothing wrong with exim's configuration; it's a dns issue.
16:00<dondelelcaro>iiv: the MX record is fine, but the name that it uses doesn't resolve
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16:00<dondelelcaro>iiv: the output of dig -t MX gm.home; should confirm this for you
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16:03<iiv>dindelelcaro: host utility is applicable for it or dig only?
16:03<Cromet>Is there a standard program for linux to read .pdf files?
16:04<dondelelcaro>iiv: well, you could do it with host, but you'll almost certainly want dig, since it's more powerful.
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16:04<dondelelcaro>Cromet: no, but there are a few common choices. evince, xpdf, etc. all work fine.
16:04<Cromet>thanks (Y)
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16:06<ibaneo>it was Mr. Kivi
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16:07<iiv>`host gw.home` output: gw.home has address \n gw.home mail is handled by 10 gw.home. \n
16:07<junix>i seem to be having some problems booting Debian Lenny 5.0, it stops at "can't enumerate use port 2"
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16:28<daipwa>Is there a tool I can use to check if a hard disk is fine or not reliable ?
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16:28<valdyn>daipwa: no
16:28<daipwa>Something like memtest, but for an hard disk.
16:28<mrcrackhead2u>Any body know where the wireless cards are intiated in debian on boot? I am trying to use a set mac address, I tried, /etc/rc.local but its still has the original after boot
16:28<valdyn>daipwa: you can check if its broken
16:28<ffws>daipwa: smartmontools may give you a hint
16:28<poisonbit>daipwa, smartmoon-tools
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16:29<valdyn>daipwa: and smart is very very unreliable
16:29<valdyn>daipwa: but it can give some hints
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16:29<daipwa>ffws: poisonbit, thanks, i'll check
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16:29<daipwa>valdyn: well, I have to reinstall my debian, and I want to be sure that I can install on this disk otherwise it's useless. If i can't check, this sucks :/
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16:30<poisonbit>mrcrackhead2u, /etc/network/interfaces if you are not using things like network-manager
16:30<Skal>Heya guys, one kinda quick question :) both me and my friend needs root access on my comp, but i dont want him to be able to access one dir. Is it possible to lookout root and only allow it to access with a password or so?
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16:30<valdyn>daipwa: you can use smart to find out if its "known to be unreliable"
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16:30<mrcrackhead2u>awesome, thank you
16:30<valdyn>daipwa: but if smart tells you that the disk is completely ok, that does not necessarily mean that it wont break soon
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16:31<daipwa>Pfff, I guess I should just throw my hard disk away then :(
16:31<valdyn>daipwa: then i also have a disk that is broken according to smart, but works perfectly find
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16:32<valdyn>daipwa: if you need reliability of storage youd use raid1 anyway
16:33<stuckey>Could someone please tell me the best way to play a dvd in lenny?
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16:33<valdyn>stuckey: theres no best way
16:34<valdyn>Skal: not really
16:34<Ben90>i'm still having problems
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16:35<Ben90>i'm still having problems with the dvd playback process
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16:35<valdyn>Skal: that means that theres complex solutions to that problem, but really you should change the problem, not use one of those complex solutions
16:36<Ben90>whats the best dvd playing app?
16:36<valdyn>Ben90: none
16:36<Ben90>how do i play dvd movies?
16:36<stuckey>valdyn: mplayer is horrible for dvd playback
16:36<valdyn>Ben90: you need libdvdcss2
16:36<stuckey>valdyn: half the time it doesn't even work for me
16:36<mjt>i like mplayer most
16:37<valdyn>stuckey: thats just your opinion
16:37<valdyn>stuckey: and it works always for me
16:37<chealer>Ben90: which desktop environment do you use?
16:37<Skal>valdyn: hmm.. guess youre right but whell.. we both need root and i dont want him to be able to access some of my privat stuff
16:37<mjt>it's the only one that works all the time (mplayer)
16:37<valdyn>Skal: root is root
16:37<valdyn>Skal: theres no semi root
16:37<Ben90>xine keeps saying the source could not be read.
16:37<stuckey>valdyn: So it's what you always use?
16:38<valdyn>Skal: root can monitor your every keystroke or mouse movement
16:38<Skal>valdyn: yeah , thats what i thought also.. but you cant be sure unless you ask here ;)
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16:38<valdyn>stuckey: yea, used, i dont watch dvd anymore
16:38<Skal>valdyn: yeah ill know, just if there was some external program that maybe could set a passwd on a dir or so
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16:38<valdyn>Skal: the complex solutions involve using acl and probably selinux, you dont want to do that
16:39<valdyn>Skal: total overkill
16:39<valdyn>Skal: you can crypt your private stuff
16:39<valdyn>Skal: but he can _still_ access it if he is logged in at the same time
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16:40<Skal>valdyn: yeah, but ill need to have it uncrypted since stuff is running from the dir, whell.. guess there aint any good solution rly since i dont have a clue what acl and selinux is =)
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16:40<valdyn>Skal: so why does he need root?
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16:41<valdyn>Skal: maybe he only needs to run a very limited range of programs as root
16:41<Ben90>i fixed it
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16:41<Skal>To be able to install a couple of things, chmod for other users, mangage stuff that is running on it. Im not that good on debian so his helping me out kinda much
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16:42<valdyn>Skal: ok, in that case theres no way at all
16:42<valdyn>Skal: you cant lock out a knowledgable user when you are not knowledgable
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16:43<valdyn>Skal: put private data on removable storage and unplug that when he is allowed to access it
16:43<mjt>and wait till he will run some daemon to watch for it.
16:44<Skal>valdyn: hmm yeah could work, but im not home all the time and he can access whenever he want since his running some own stuff on te comp
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16:44<valdyn>yea, im not saying that that is completely secure, im assuming Skal trusts his knowledgable mate to some extent
16:45<Skal>ah yeah, in other words there aint any rly good solution for me but thanks for helping me out valdyn
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16:46<valdyn>Skal: change the problem: make him play with and access a virtual machine running on your system where only you have root
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16:48<Skal>valdyn: hmm yeah, good idea
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16:49<christoph>I've configured mutt to display html messages according to but now event for messages with plaintext the html version is used :-/
16:49<christoph>is there an way to avoid this?
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16:52<dondelelcaro>christoph: set alternative_order
16:52<dondelelcaro>christoph: you generally want it text/enriched text/plain text/html
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16:54<mirak>hi, I have an issue with building libxine, it says at configure, that I have "old & new ffmpeg headers found - you need to clean up!"
16:54<mirak>however I don't see how I can have the headers in dupes
16:54<mirak>and different versionns
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17:01<christoph>dondelelcaro, works, thanks :)
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17:17<justin>can anyone recommend a desktop environment similar in appearance to gnome but much much lighter (466 MB download is a bit rediculous)
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17:18<justin>Yoda-BZH: thank you :)
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17:18<justin>Yoda-BZH: do you know the approximate download size?
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17:27<wildude>dondelelcaro: DId you finish looking at my info dumps sent last nihgt?
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17:29<regan>Hi, I'm having an issue with dbus and hal being partially configured, so-says apt; anytime it tries to finish configuring, it fails
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17:34<LinuxTracker[9124]>nayone here about that new distro called ultra x linux?
17:35<LinuxTracker[9124]>hello world
17:36<dondelelcaro>we're not really into random distributions; this channel is for Debian support.
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17:36<Mr-R>LinuxTracker[9124]: try
17:37<LinuxTracker[9124]>it is debian based
17:37<regan>Along with dbus and hal having issues; whenever a desktop env is started, I get: "Konsole is unable to open a PTY... it is likely due to an incorrect config of PTY devices..."
17:37<amphi>a spork! a spork!
17:38<amphi>damn, abrotman isn't here
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17:39<dondelelcaro>LinuxTracker[9124]: there are a few thousand distributions based on Debian; we don't really track them all
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17:40<wildude>dondelelcaro: DId you finish looking at my info dumps sent last night?
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17:47<regan>is there a way to have dpkg mark a package as fully installed, even though it thinks it's partially configured?
17:48<wildude>regan: Not so far as I know.
17:49<regan>hmm; because I'm trying to get it to finish configuring dbus, but it thinks that the stop/start failed, even though it appears it stopped and started successfully
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17:50<wildude>regan: How about hal?
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17:52<regan>I'm not really sure what to make of it, unless there is something else it has that is failing, other than the stop/start
17:52<Lethias>quick question for you guys, what would cause the menu panels for gnome to dissappear, I don't have auto hide toolbars enabled, but I do have gnome as the composite manager. Any ideas of how to fix this problem.
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17:55<regan>Lethias, I've had that happen only when certain apps crash, and I kill them with sigkill; they usually come back after a few seconds... -- What are you doing when they disappear? or are they always gone?
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17:56<Lethias>regan: Nothing crashes, everything operates properly, the menus disappear, they are there. You can click where they were to access them but they are not shown on the desktop. It does after a while it just disappears.
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17:57<regan>Lethias, you've got me on that one, hopefully someone else here can give you an answer
17:57<Lethias>regan: would avant window navigator possibly do it?
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17:58<regan>Lethias, I've never used it, so I couldn't tell you
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17:59<Lethias>regan: ok, oh well I'll tinker with it some more and see what i can figure out.
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17:59<regan>wildude, Do you have any thoughts/recommendations on how I can get dbus/hal configured? Is there a way to reinstall it fresh (maybe from a live cd?)
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18:00<wildude>regan: hal is crashing because dbus is crashing. Nay, I've no thoughts on that subject just now. How did you install dbus and hal in the first place?
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18:01<regan>Well, I actually broke them. They were there originally (I think, not sure); and I enabled the unstable repos to get Xorg 7.1 to get my intel 945 card to work in an EeeBox
18:02<regan>After doing a few dangerous apt upgrades, I found myself stuck in the middle between a broken udev and a broken hotplug (udev wanted me to --purge hotplug)
18:03<regan>I killed the unstable repo; and tried to apt reinstall udev, hal, and dbus
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18:03<regan>which went fine up until the configure, where it gets stuck as shown in the pastebin
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18:04<wildude>regan: In that case, I would suggest that you fire up aptitude and see what it thinks of your present circumstances. I will say that it's my impression that aptitude is much more of a bug on dependencies than any of the other components of the apt system.
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18:05<regan>I'm not familiar with the interworkings of udev, dbus, hal and hotplug; so I'm not sure which I should be trying to install.
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18:05<wildude>regan: In aptitude, it won't hurt to reinstall them all.
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18:07<regan>wildude, So how should I run aptitude? Using either of: apt -f install; and apt -f remove; result in apt trying to finish dbus and hal and then fails. (apt being aptitude)
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18:08<wildude>regan: In m y experience, aptitude is NOT apt at all. I suggest that you give the command aptitude, and then deal interactively with what appears.
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18:09<daedhel>anyone can tell me where are the config files of acpi events? I want to edit the events happening when I unplug my laptop
18:09<amphi>daedhel: /etc/acpi
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18:10<daedhel>amphi, there are no config files in this dir
18:10<amphi>daedhel: no scripts?
18:11<amphi>daedhel: a whole bunch are provided by the acpi-support package
18:11<daedhel>here is a ls -a in /etc/acpi: # ls -a /etc/acpi/
18:11<daedhel>. .. events events.ignore resume.d suspend.d
18:12<wildude>daedhel: Have you been into recompilation of your kernel as yet? It seems to me that that is where you need to start.
18:12<daedhel>and a ls of /etc/acpi/events : # ls -a /etc/acpi/events/
18:12<daedhel>. ..
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18:13<daedhel>wildude, not yet, but i'm abou tto do it... I come from archlinux, where I use to edit the acpi events files, and add commands or script upon events
18:13<daedhel>amphi, let me see if its installed
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18:17<daedhel>amphi installin acpi-support right now
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18:18<Guest464>hey, could someone please tell me how to quit the "x-session-manager" without being kicked out of the session? i'd like to install a new nvidia driver
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18:20<daedhel>amphi, amphi this was just what I needed thanks! :)
18:21<daedhel>Guest203, you can do that by goint to a virtual console like tty1
18:22<Guest464>are you talking to me? if yes, thanks
18:22<amphi>daedhel: good-oh
18:22<daedhel>Guest203, press ctrl+alt+F1 to go to console 1 (tty1) than press ctrl+alt+F7 (tty7) to come back to X
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18:23<daedhel>Guest203, if you want to install a graphic driver you will have to stop x, with the command "init 3" as root
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18:24<daedhel>Guest464, sorry all of the above was for you
18:24<xiq>debian is fantastic :D i use it on my old computer, i even use kde and its fast like the wind!
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18:24<Guest464>alright, thanks
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18:24<daedhel>yup debian is king of distros
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18:25<xiq>but i wonder, is there a qt frontend for apt-get?
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18:25<daedhel>Guest464, ohh sorry, if you want to restart X you the have to type "init 5" as root
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18:25<daedhel>xiq, have you tried "apt-cache search qt apt-get" as root?
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18:26<xiq>oh, wait...
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18:27<daedhel>xiq there is one in sidux tho... what debian do you use?
18:27<xiq>i use lenny!
18:27<daedhel>there might be one
18:27<daedhel>see yq guys
18:27<daedhel>see ya
18:27<xiq>hm i think adept?
18:28<xiq>oh sorry my screen is about to explode, cya
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18:32<wildude>dondelelcaro: If you manage to make it through all the verbiage I sent last night relating to aptitude, I suggest getting back to me by e-mail at wg3w aT I would dearly love to fix this problem, not replace my entire OS. Thanks very much!
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18:46<vook>is there a seperate channel for Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ?
18:47<simonrvn>i think so, /msg chanserv list *debian*
18:47<vook>ok, thanks
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19:00<dondelelcaro>you can ask questions about kfreebsd here, of course... but we might not be able to answer
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19:09<naiv>my screen doesn't fit well in the monitor, i remember i use xrandr +vsync etc, and i use a gui to test and find the correct command line, but i can't remember this gui name, anyone does ?
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19:12<bremner>xvidtune ?
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19:12<bremner>although with a modern LCD monitor, I don't know if that makes any sense
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19:15<DanonH20>Åñòü êòî æèâîé?
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19:15<simonrvn>try utf-8 at least ;)
19:17<naiv>yeah bremner !!
19:17<DanonH20>i don't speak eng ((
19:18<abrotman>which language do you speak?
19:18<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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19:21<chaoticmass>On Etch: I had to add /dev/lp0 by running mknod, but it disappears after I reboot. What is the 'debian way' to make /dev/lp0 exist after boot? I could write a lil script to run mknod with the right params at boot but surely there must be a right way to do this and I can't figure what it could be. Thanks
19:22<simonrvn>either don't run udev, or load the lp driver from /etc/modules
19:24<chaoticmass>okay, another question, how do I give a user permission to write to /dev/lp0?
19:25<abrotman>does it have a group?
19:26<chaoticmass>nevermind, dumb question
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19:48<poisonbit>petemc, ping
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19:50<poisonbit>petemc, I was wrong about "Select and Install packages"
19:51<poisonbit>what i've seen... are package updates
19:51<poisonbit>no extra packages
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19:54<Piet>hi. i have a system with an onboard nic which requires the e1000e driver which is included in linux since 2.6.28something (rc2 i think). but i would like to run a xen production system on lenny with it. what should i do?
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20:05<adama>After upgrading squeeze to libc6 2.9, gdm starts but will not get to the login screen, it just sits with a "watch" mouse cursor, no errors appear in the Xorg.0.log
20:06<k1lumin4t1>has anybody tried 3.0.1 in Debian Testing (squeeze) directly from the repositories already?
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20:06<k1lumin4t1>adama, try purging gdm config files
20:07<k1lumin4t1>adama, and .gnome and the like hidden config folders
20:07<adama>I tried removing xorg.conf, and dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
20:07<adama>same thing
20:08<adama>I will try moving ~/.gnome
20:08<k1lumin4t1>that's not what I said
20:08<adama>I know, I'm just mentioning what I did
20:08<k1lumin4t1>xorg failures != gdm failures
20:09<adama>but I don't think anything in ~ is being used, as I never get to actually log in my user account
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20:09<k1lumin4t1>adama, have you tried reading gdm logs?
20:09<k1lumin4t1>in /var/log/gdm.log
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20:10<adama>/var/log/gdm/\:0.log has nothing interesting
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20:14<adama>no luck after moving ~/.gnome and .gnome2 and .gnome2_private
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20:17<adama>startx as user fails to start, and doesn't put any EE errors in Xorg.0.log
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20:18<simonrvn>checked syslog? maybe something's crashing...
20:18<adama>"Screen 0 shares mem & io resources"
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20:20<adama>lots of "gdm WARNING: couldn't authenticate user" followed by "last message repeated 25 times" or such
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20:22<adama>but those do not appear when I try startx
20:23<adama>they appear when I try /etc/init.d/gdm start
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20:26<simonrvn>which user? yours? gdm?
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20:35<adama>the gdm user is putting the messages in syslog
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20:36<adama>I think some package is missing - I don't have the full "gnome" metapackage - do not want network-manager, cheese, update-manager etc.
20:37<adama>some kind of PAM module?
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20:39*adama is now in a screen, feels much better
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20:40<adama>be back later
20:41<cesurasean>does anyone know why apache is giving me this warning? [warn] The Alias directive in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf at line 242 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier Alias.
20:41<jrabbit>whats on line 242
20:42<cesurasean> Alias /icons/ "/usr/share/apache2/icons/"
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20:45<davi_>What package to install WIN32 codecs?
20:46<dr|z3d>davi_: You might try VLC.. depends what you want to play.
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20:46<abrotman>!tell davi_ about w32codecs
20:46<davi_>dr|z3d, I would to be able to use all proprietary WIN32 codecs
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20:46<davi_>thanks abrotman
20:47<dr|z3d>Then what abrotman said. :)
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21:12<hmilzx>intel 82852 glxinfo | less
21:12<hmilzx>name of display: :0.0
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21:12<hmilzx>display: :0 screen: 0
21:12<hmilzx>direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
21:12<hmilzx>server glx vendor string: SGI
21:13<hmilzx>server glx version string: 1.2
21:13<hmilzx>server glx extensions:
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_OML_swap_method,
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_hyperpipe,
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer
21:13<hmilzx>client glx vendor string: SGI
21:13<hmilzx>client glx version string: 1.4
21:13<hmilzx>client glx extensions:
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context,
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory,
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_swap_control,
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_OML_sync_control,
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync,
21:13-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer,
21:13<hmilzx> GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
21:13-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by abrotman
21:13<@abrotman>hmilzx: try
21:13<dr|z3d>It's in the topic.
21:13<@abrotman>don't call him names
21:13*dr|z3d shakes his head.
21:14<dr|z3d>Sorry, long day.
21:14<@abrotman>go play video games
21:14-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@] by abrotman
21:14*dr|z3d laughs.
21:14-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
21:14<abrotman>hmilzx: thanks :)
21:14<dr|z3d>Not my style, thanks for the suggestion nonetheless.
21:15<hmilzx>How to get direct rendering: yes
21:16<abrotman>hmilzx: how did you install X ?
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21:16<hmilzx>when installed the debian sysytem
21:17<hmilzx>using desk-top
21:18<hmilzx>when using command "glxgears",i can see three gears
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21:23<deniz>does debian have this ubuntu package in any of the debian branches? (§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=Computer+Janitor)
21:25<hmn>deniz: no.§ion=all
21:26<deniz>hmn, does this mean it will more than likely not make it into debian?
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21:26<hmn>deniz, it might, i don't know.
21:26<abrotman>deniz: you could use uh ...
21:26<dpkg>rumour has it, cruft is a program to look over your system for anything that shouldn't be there, but is; or for anything that should be there, but isn't. To install it, type apt-get install cruft. It takes a while to run.
21:28<naiv>bremner: why did you said that about xvidtune ? "although with a modern LCD monitor, I don't know if that makes any sense"
21:28<deniz>abrotman, GUI or text based?
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21:29<abrotman>i have no idea ..
21:30<hmn>deniz: command line. see
21:30<hmn>the debtags will tell you stuff like that
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21:58<bremner>naiv: I thought that lcd monitors really have only one mode that they work well in, and it is usually auto-detected
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22:04<cesurasean>which log file shows me all of the text during startup?
22:04<cesurasean>I can't seem to find it in syslog, dmsg, messages, or anything.
22:05<cesurasean>I want to find the log that I am seeing everytime I boot up the machine, all of that text.
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22:32<knoppix_>hola cj
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22:32<Guest489>si ke onda guey?
22:32<dpkg>somebody said bootlogd was disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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22:34<cesurasean>what is bootlogd?
22:34<hmn>the program that logs boot messages
22:34<dr|z3d>Bootlogging daemon.
22:34<dr|z3d>Logs your boot.
22:35<hmn>(startup text)
22:35<hmn>yw :)
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22:47<NTFS>Debian sucks
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22:47<hmn>trolls suck :p
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22:51<dr|z3d>I'm getting some permission denied errors for writing to tmp after fixing some disk damage.. Any easy way to restore correct permissions?
22:53<dr|z3d>Is it just a case of chmodding?
22:53<Xenguy>dr|z3d: hrm, do you need to know the default perms?
22:53<dr|z3d>Xenguy: That might help, please :)
22:54<Xenguy>dr|z3d: well, /tmp itself is: drwxrwxrwt 24 root root
22:54<dr|z3d>My brain's gone to goo after spending rather too long trying to recover from some serious disk damage :/
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22:54<Xenguy>dr|z3d: not sure what that '24' is
22:55<Xenguy>dr|z3d: and all directories in /tmp appear to be 700
22:55<Xenguy>under /tmp
22:57<dr|z3d>Xenguy: Thanks, will give that a spin.
22:58<Xenguy>dr|z3d: good luck then
23:01<dr|z3d>Xenguy: That seems to have fixed the bombing out of Xfce, but now it freezes at the Xserver screen. Hmm. Can only login as root, currently.
23:01<Xenguy>dr|z3d: damn, more permissions issues?
23:02<Xenguy>dr|z3d: do you have backups at all?
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23:02<dr|z3d>Xenguy: No backups. Not my system. I've spent the last 3 days recovering it from near death :/
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23:03<dr|z3d>Would be useful right now to have a script that checks and restores default perms on system files/dirs.
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23:04<Xenguy>dr|z3d: wow, sounds ominous... worst case scenario is reinstall and restore data (I know, you'd probably like to avoid that if possible :-)
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23:04<Xenguy>dr|z3d: google is your friend; I've never encountered such a thing, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
23:06<dr|z3d>Xenguy: It's a bit more complex than that, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the CDRom drive isn't working. Secondly, the drive is close to dying, and upgrading before has introduced more errors than it fixed. So, hmm.
23:06<dr|z3d>And it's an old laptop, so it won't boot off usb.
23:06<dr|z3d>So I guess I'll just carry on fscking around!
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23:08<Xenguy>dr|z3d: can you copy data to a (usb-based) external drive, then install a new hard drive, re-install debian, and then copy over the data from the external hard drive (or does that sound like a worst case scenario to you :-)
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23:12<dr|z3d>Xenguy: That's possible, sure, but hmm.. it's a largely defunct machine, and spending money on it probably isn't worth doing. I had thought about it, mind.
23:13<j-tizzle>i'm running squeeze. rebooted today after ~ten days or so. several things stopped working (wired/wireless networking, touchpad, etc.). i'm getting this message in /var/log/daemon.log: ``dbus_bus_get_private(): failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: no such file or directory'' as well as ``avahi-daemon: warning: failed to contact d-bus daemon.''
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23:14<Xenguy>dr|z3d: well best of luck; I mean the recovery you're trying to do is not impossible, but it could be annoying to recover every single screwed-up permission, that's all
23:15<Xenguy>j-tizzle: I've never heard of squeeze (but I don't know a lot about wireless anyhow)
23:15<j-tizzle>Xenguy: debian testing.
23:16<j-tizzle>the problem does not seem to be wireless networking but something with the d-bus.
23:16<Xenguy>j-tizzle: actually I see it in stable/lenny
23:16<j-tizzle>see what? the problem?
23:16<Xenguy>j-tizzle: if we're talking about the same thing
23:16<Xenguy>sorry to get your hopes up like that ;-)
23:17<j-tizzle>i'm running debian squeeze/testing.
23:17<j-tizzle>not the app. ;-)
23:17<dr|z3d>Xenguy: Could be a pain, for sure. I might just throw caution to the wind and run it as root, permenantly.
23:17<Xenguy>j-tizzle: ohhhhhhhhhh
23:18<Xenguy>dr|z3d: sheesh, I have to say that is not the best idea in theory
23:18<Xenguy>dr|z3d: I mean, anything is possible, but the idea rather makes me cringe :-)
23:20<dr|z3d>Xenguy: If it was a critical system I'd be loath to run it as root, but it's not.. just a web browsing and e-mail system, essentially.
23:21<Xenguy>dr|z3d: well it's your call of course - good luck with it all, I don't think I have much more constructive advice to offer on the original problem
23:21<dr|z3d>Xenguy: Thanks for you help.
23:22<Xenguy>dr|z3d: np, and you might want to beef up your intrusion detection systems, if you're paranoid like me ;-)
23:22*dr|z3d chuckles.
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23:23<Xenguy>e.g. logcheck, tiger, chkrootkit, rkhunter, stuff like that can never hurt
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23:23*dr|z3d nods.
23:23<Xenguy>dr|z3d: actually, brainwave: try installing 'sxid'
23:24<dr|z3d>sxid? Is that a permissions thing?
23:24<Xenguy>dr|z3d: it detects 'bad/suspicious permissions' among other things
23:24<Xenguy>apt-cache show sxid
23:24<dr|z3d>I'm noticing now I get permission issues with xinit which is preventing normal user boot into Xfce.
23:24<dr|z3d>Aha. Brilliant. Thanks.
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23:24<Xenguy>dr|z3d: it may not do everything you would like, but it cannot hurt
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23:27<dr|z3d>Xenguy: No harm trying. Sounds like the sort of thing I was looking for. Well remembered!
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23:30<hmn>Xenguy, a minor quibble: would apt-cache work if it's not already installed?
23:30<dr|z3d>apt-cache show does.
23:31<hmn>ok, sry
23:31<Xenguy>hmn: yes, apt-cache show blah will always show a description, whether installed or not
23:31<dr|z3d>apt-cache search also works fine for non-installed stuff.
23:32*hmn should have realized, since aptitude show does that (and is what i was thinking of to replace apt-cache)
23:32<Xenguy>hmn: of course, everybody is supposed to use aptitude nowadays for everything ;-)
23:32<Xenguy>I admit, I'm officially oldschool now ;-)
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23:33<hmn>but aptitude can't do everything... i don't think it has an equivalent for apt-get source, does it?
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23:34<Xenguy>hmn: you're asking the wrong guy - I've been too lazy to learn aptitude so far
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23:34<hmn>hmm. anybody, then?
23:35<Xenguy>anyhow, my bedtime guys - TTYL
23:35<hmn>bye Xenguy :)
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23:36<k1lumin4t1>has anybody tried 3.0.1 in Debian Testing (squeeze) directly from the repositories already?
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23:37<j-tizzle>k1lumin4t1, i'm running oo.o in squeeze.
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23:38<k1lumin4t1>j-tizzle, which version?
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23:39<j-tizzle>k1lumin4t1, 3.0.1-9
23:39<k1lumin4t1>j-tizzle, how's it been?
23:40<j-tizzle>all was well until about four hours ago when dbus seemed to have died completely.
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23:40<j-tizzle>i cannot run wired/wireless networking, use my mouse, etc.
23:40<k1lumin4t1>j-tizzle, yes, but OpenOffice related
23:40<j-tizzle>all the errors seem to point to dbus.
23:40<j-tizzle>no problems with oo.o
23:40<k1lumin4t1>j-tizzle, you using kde?
23:40<j-tizzle>that i'm aware of.
23:41<j-tizzle>k1lumin4t1, no; e17.
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23:41<k1lumin4t1>just restart dbus
23:41<j-tizzle>doesn't work.
23:41<k1lumin4t1>j-tizzle, where did you get e17?
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23:41<k1lumin4t1>j-tizzle, restart hal?
23:41<j-tizzle>"please ensure dbus is running"
23:42<j-tizzle>running '/etc/init.d/dbus start' does not give an error.
23:42<k1lumin4t1>j-tizzle, dbus-launch?
23:42<j-tizzle>k1lumin4t1, i installed e17 from source.
23:43<j-tizzle>does dbus-launch run without options?
23:44<j-tizzle>doesn't seem to make a difference.
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23:47<j-tizzle>the error message i keep getting in /var/log/daemon.log is "failed to contact d-bus daemon"
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