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---Logopened Wed Apr 15 00:00:00 2009
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00:07<Silicium01>Does anyone know how one can determine the encoding of video?
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00:07<Silicium01>vnm, file does it
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00:09<nas>can qmail scanner strip null characters?
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00:15<mikegrb>ha ha qmail
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00:16<locsmif>nas, check out #qmail on
00:16<locsmif>perhaps they know the answer
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00:20<nas>thanks locsmif
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00:24<ese>hi! i'm having troubles installing xfce 4.6!
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00:24<ese>anybody able to help me?
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00:30<daedhel>the command "xfterm4 --hide-menubar --hide-borders --hide-toolbars" does not work, even if this is what is described as the way to do it in the help section. here is the result of the command in terminal:
00:30<daedhel>daedhel@siduxbox:~$ xfterm4 --hide-toolbars
00:30<daedhel>exo-open: Unknown option --hide-toolbars.
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00:37<daedhel>i'm sorry, i got a disconnection... if someone aswered my question, I missed it...
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00:39<hmn>daedhel, sorry, nobody did.
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00:39<daedhel>ok lol
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00:40<Necrun>do u try man xfterm4?
00:40<Necrun>it looks like the option is not a valid one :o
00:41<hmn>it looks to me like some wrapper program called "exo-open" is interfering with the option before it gets to xfterm4.... but i know next to nothing wrt sidux
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00:47<daedhel>Necrun, i tried man xfter4, but there is nothing in it. I have found the switch from the help file of the app
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00:49<hmn>daedhel, how about the exo-open manpage?
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00:53<hmn>daedhel, i took a look here: -- it looks like it's trying to launch your preferred terminal, but the command that opens preferred apps doesn't allow options to be passed through
00:54<daedhel>made some progress
00:54<hmn>at least not when used the way you are
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00:54<daedhel>exo-open is a xfce4 wrapper for the app Terminal
00:55<daedhel>but I don,t have Terminal in /usr/bin
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00:55<daedhel>i'm looking toward lxterminal instead
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01:00<hmn>daedhel, well, good luck with it.
01:00<daedhel>got it!
01:00<hmn>good :)
01:00<daedhel>its xfce4-terminal
01:01<daedhel>thanks man
01:01<daedhel>pretty confusing tho
01:01<hmn>yeah, sorry if i added anything to the confusion
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01:02<daedhel>nope you actually help find the solution
01:03<daedhel>ok see ya, got to go to spleep, exam tomorrow
01:03<hmn>ok bye
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01:08*hmn bored now, with nothing to do.
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01:09<hmn>yet there are still 368 people here. hard to believe.
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01:10<hmn>hello mhash
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01:11<hmn>not much happening here atm. i was getting bored.
01:13<hmn>i'm never sure whether to just shut up when there's nothing to talk about here, or try to make conversation for its own sake.
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01:15<hmn>nobody has anything going on with their system to talk about?
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01:17<debfool>what (if any) is the proper debian way of making sure no X11 packages get installed?
01:18<debfool>i.e. i want distcc, but just the console mode stuff. i want kismet, but just the console mode stuff...
01:18<debfool>i have googled, i promise
01:18<debfool>my google-fu is weak today
01:19<hmn>debfool, one way is to deselect "Desktop Environment" in d-i
01:19<hmn>and then not install anything that needs X
01:19<hmn>(i think)
01:20<hmn>is that right?
01:20<debfool>well ive got a text only install already, that much is fine
01:21<debfool>but when i try to "apt-get install distcc" it tells me its going to install a bunch of X11 stuff
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01:21<debfool>the only part of distcc that requires X11 is a little monitoring gui
01:22<debfool>...and its not critical to the functionality of distcc
01:22*debfool googles some more
01:22<gsimmons>!tell debfool -about apt recommends
01:23<debfool>now youre talking
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01:24*debfool reads up on recommends
01:24<debfool>thanks gsimmons
01:26<hmn>hey jm_, how are you tonight?
01:27<jm_>it's 7:27 :)
01:27<hmn>AM or PM?
01:28<jm_>in civilized world we don't use AM/PM
01:28*jm_ runs
01:28<hmn>may i suggest 07:27 then?
01:29<jm_>that's how my clock shows it, but I'm just too lazy
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01:31*hmn too lazy to reply :p
01:31<Squideshi>I'm a new GNU/Linux user. I started with Ubuntu, but I understand that Ubuntu is based on Debian. I am considering switching to Debian. I've done some research, but I still can't figure out the following: What are the primary differences between Debian and Ubuntu? Ubuntu just has less software?
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01:32<dr|z3d>Squideshi: Think of Debian as a purist version of Ubuntu.
01:32<dr|z3d>Or Ubuntu as an impure version of Debian. Whichever suits.
01:32<Squideshi>dr|z3d: Purist in what sense?
01:33<hmn>Squideshi, one big difference is that Debian does not include non-free or untested software.
01:33<dr|z3d>Ubuntu is more user friendly, less bound to ideology.
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01:34<Squideshi>I thought that Debian had a non-free repository.
01:34<dr|z3d>So to answer your question about software, there's probably more stuff available in the official repositories for Ubuntu, as hmn suggests.
01:34<hmn>Squideshi, yes, there is a non-free repository, but it's not officially part of Debian (so it doesn't get security updates, for ex.)
01:35<hmn>it's considered a convenience service rather than a core part of Debian
01:35<Squideshi>I see. So, for example, I wouldn't find the flash-nonfree package anywhere in Debian.
01:35<dr|z3d>Ubuntu is like instant coffee, Debian is more like the coffee bean.
01:36<jm_>Squideshi: you would actually
01:36<philsf>Squideshi, but this is an exception to the rule
01:37<dr|z3d>Until the latest Debian, there was no binary only drivers included. They bent the rule on that one with Lenny.
01:38<Squideshi>Why would someone want binary only drivers?
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01:38<hmn>Squideshi, you would find it in non-free, not in main. you would be encouraged to use swfdec-gnome instead, but debian makes the non-free version available as a service
01:38<dr|z3d>Why? Because they want their kit to work and there are no alternatives.
01:38<Squideshi>I see. That makes sense.
01:39<philsf>Squideshi, to get that webcam/wifi card/videcard working
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01:39<dr|z3d>Unfortunately not all oems are clued into open source driver releases, but that's gradually improving.
01:39<philsf>dr|z3d, it is?
01:40<dr|z3d>philsf: Slowly but surely :) Sometimes the pace feels a little glacial :/
01:40<Squideshi>Thanks for the assistance!
01:40<k1lumin4t1>could anybody tell me if this makes sense at all: "If memory becomes so scarce that the kernel pages out from the working set of one process in order to page in for another"?
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01:41<hmn>Squider... oops... flashplugin-nonfree is part of "contrib"... basically it's a free program whose only function is to download + install a nonfree one
01:41<hmn>ah, gone
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01:42<dr|z3d>k1lumin4t1: You'll get hard drive thrashing in that case. And yes, it makes sense.
01:43<milton>i nee extras codes for xubuntu 8.10
01:43<milton>i need extras codecs for xubuntu 8.10
01:43<hmn>!tell milton -about ubuntu
01:44<milton>where can i find it
01:44<milton>mp3 codecs
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01:45<milton>help me i forget the command line
01:46<aredhel>milton, try in #xubuntu on freenode
01:47<k1lumin4t1>dr|z3d, yes, so I read. But I didn't quite get the "kernel pages out from..." phrase
01:47<dr|z3d>milton: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras and what aredhel said :)
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01:48<darthanub>running unstable here and can't find any good docs on getting nvidia glx ?
01:49<darthanub>nvidia-glx is stuck at 173
01:49<darthanub>in the repos
01:49<dr|z3d>k1lumin4t1: If I understand right, it means the kernel handles the paging of running processes.
01:49<dr|z3d>darthanub: Try installing envyng
01:50<dr|z3d>That should give you a leg up with installing nvidia's drivers. Possibly.
01:50<hmn>k1lumin4t1, do you understand what paging is?
01:50<k1lumin4t1>hmn, yes
01:50<dr|z3d>Paging is swapping out to disk, essentially.
01:50<darthanub>dr|z3d, not running ubuntu
01:50<milton>thanx ...
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01:50<k1lumin4t1>hmn, the process of allocating blocks of memory in RAM
01:51<EmleyMoor>darthanub: envyng is for Debian too
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01:51<dr|z3d>darthanub: I think envyng is available for Debian.. yeah..
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01:52<hmn>k1lumin4t1, ok, just thought that might be the problem.. nm
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01:52<Lethias>Anyone ever have gnome panel dissappear but still able to be used but is not visible to the desktop.
01:53<milton>totem movie player don't play mp3
01:54<Lethias>I think it has to do with metacity's compositing manager, but i don't know how to narrow it down.
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01:55<milton>I'm sorry but I'am new on linux
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01:55<dr|z3d>milton: aptitude install exaile
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01:56<hmn>k1lumin4t1, actually, as far as i understand, paging is moving "pages" of memory to and from the hard disk's swap file or partition.. allocating memory doesn't have to happen simultaneously with paging AFAIK.
01:57<dr|z3d>milton: And do find your way over to #ubuntu or #xubuntu on .. you'll find folk more inclined to help you there. (Debian folks are often allergic to Ubuntu :))
01:57<hmn>but then, that's a longer and more elaborate description ;)
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01:58<milton>thanx man
01:58<k1lumin4t1>hmn, afaik a page is an allocated number of blocks of RAM for a process
01:59<k1lumin4t1>hmn, then paging is the process of generating paged, I guess
01:59<dr|z3d>Paging is swapping out to disk.
01:59<dr|z3d>It's how virtual memory works. No voodoo. :)
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02:00<hmn>k1lumin4t1, yes, a page is a unit of memory used in RAM, but _paging_ is the process of using the swap file/partition, for virtual memory as dr|z3d suggests
02:01<k1lumin4t1>oh I see
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02:02<hmn>anyway, it seems like you have a good enough understanding that i oughtn't quibble
02:02<hmn>(and it ain't like i know everything about it either)
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02:04<k1lumin4t1>dr|z3d, hmn: yes I got it. I always though that was Swapping itself
02:04<daryl>Anyone had metacity's compositing manager cause the gnome panels to disappear but still be accessible?
02:04<k1lumin4t1>dr|z3d, but so I've been told swapping is not a correct term
02:04<hmn>they are synonyms, see
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02:05<dr|z3d>k1lumin4t1: When your ram finds its way onto your hard drive, that's paging. Feel free to do some research.
02:05<hmn>k1lumin4t1, swapping may not be the correct term, but it does mean the same thing
02:07<k1lumin4t1>dr|z3d, I'm actually doing some research. That's why I brought it up. It's just not being native english speaker malforms some of my own interpretations of concepts
02:07<dr|z3d>Anyone know offhand what shape a 4pin ATX connector takes? Is it a small square plug similar to mini usb, with 2 chamfered edges?
02:07<jm_>dr|z3d: no
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02:09<dr|z3d>jm_: Oh? You know the connector I'm talking about? Any idea what that's called?
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02:09<dr|z3d>Usually only one on a power supply P4-generation, goes straight to the motherboard..
02:10*dr|z3d squeezes jm_ for info.
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02:11<jm_>dr|z3d: yup, - the one next to the big connector, right?
02:12<dr|z3d>jm_: Yeah, that's the one I'm trying to get the name for.
02:13<dr|z3d>Between the main power connector and the floppy connector.
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02:13<hmn>yikes, sorry
02:13<jm_>hmm that's not floppy, floppy is the rightmost IIRC
02:13<hmn>my cat jumped on my keyboard
02:14<jm_>wikipedia says An extra 4-pin, 12-volt connector to power the CPU. Formally called the "+12 V Power Connector",
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02:14<jm_>this is commonly referred to as the P4 connector because this was first needed to support the Pentium 4102 processor.
02:14<jm_>(ignore 102)
02:14<jm_>that's from MLB :)
02:14<dr|z3d>jm_: Ah, righty. Thanks. So, um, presumably that connector's been phased on on newer psus?
02:16<dr|z3d>Hmm.. maybe not.. "1 x 4pin ATX 12V"
02:16<dr|z3d>I guess that's exactly what I need.
02:17<EmleyMoor>hmn: What a shame PawSense isn't available for Debian
02:17<hmn>EmleyMoor, lol
02:18<jm_>dr|z3d: no, it's still there
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02:18<Eh>how do you get time in linux from console
02:18<Eh>the time right now
02:18<dr|z3d>jm_: Thanks for clarifying that.
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02:20<simonrvn>EmleyMoor: pawsense?
02:21<aredhel>simonrvn, when your cat walks on the keyboard it locks the screen.
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02:21<EmleyMoor>It detects "cat typing"
02:22<simonrvn>okaaay, and so how to tell if it's really a cat, or someone just randomly banging the kbd?
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02:23<EmleyMoor>simonrvn: Mostly by the pattern of simultaneous keypresses - if you type like a cat it will activate
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02:24<simonrvn>i guess the average size for a cat's paw, mapped out per key, then probably some timing factors, and some logic to take care of key groupings. that's my guess.
02:25<EmleyMoor>Yes, something like that
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02:27<oznt>hi, could it be the something went wrong with my partitions after installing new debian kernel (2.6.26-2) grub complains he cant find partition hd0,8 but this is an existing valid partition where I have root, i can boot if I change it to hd0,7 but this is funny because I have no /dev/hda8 only 6 7 and 9 (/dev/hda9 is my root)
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02:28<EmleyMoor>oznt: grub1 deducts 1 from partition numbers
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02:28<hmn>EmleyMoor, he took account of that
02:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 394] by debhelper
02:29<oznt>EmleyMoor, I am aware to that, and yet i think something is wrong here. Beause my root is on 9 and I can't boot with hd0,8
02:29<shweppsie>where is your /boot ?
02:29<oznt>Also, update-grub brutally erased my old menu.lst, and now I don't have the entries to boot freebsd
02:30<EmleyMoor>oznt: Which grub are you using?
02:30<oznt>shweppsie, my /boot is on the same as /
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02:30<oznt>EmleyMoor, default grub with debian sid
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02:31<EmleyMoor>I am not that familiar with troubleshooting grub but last time I needed to, the grub CLI was helpful.
02:32<oznt>something with my partitions is messed up...
02:32<oznt>my fdisk -l and fstab are not compatible anymore
02:33*hmn getting too grouchy and need sleep. good night/day all.
02:33<oznt>in fdisk -l i see partitions only up to /dev/hda8 and /etc/fstab i see entries up to /dev/hda9
02:33<jm_>oznt: try reinstalling grub if it's grub-pc package, there was a bug with it not finding /
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02:34<oznt>does anyone have an idea what could lead to the incompatible fstab and output of fdisk -l ?
02:35<adama>incorrectly written fstab
02:35<adama>try "mount" or "df"
02:36<jm_>yeah just ignore what's in fstab, the partition table is relevant
02:36<jm_>who knows what someone added there
02:36<adama>the correct fstab if you wannta try to fix it
02:37<oznt>jm_, adama I didn't change fstab - everything is automaticaly since installed. why all of a sudden my partition table changes ?
02:37<adama>you may have done a hardware change?
02:37<oznt>also, when I open the gparted gui i see an exclamation mark in a yellow triangle near one of my partition. but I can't find a reference to what it means
02:38<jm_>oznt: use fdisk to inspect it, you can also boot older kernel and see the difference between the two (i.e. /proc/partitions)
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02:38<jm_>or sfdisk
02:38<oznt>adama, nope. I didn't do hardware change. I usually hibernate this computer. And yesterday I installed the new kernel and today I rebooted and found out this issue
02:39<oznt>jm_, sound like an idea
02:39<xwl_>Hi, looks like "small CDs" download links at, is not reachable, e.g., i386. Something wrong?
02:39<simonrvn>xwl_: yes, something seems to be wrong with debian sites.
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02:40<simonrvn>some had a hard time getting packages.d.o and i tried getting git.d.o and it just times out.
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02:41<simonrvn>the other person thought a core router issue, me i'm waiting to see.
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02:44<oznt>jm_, I just rebooted to the old kernel - there is no change
02:45<oznt>could it be that some how my partition table was altered ?
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02:45<jm_>oznt: I wouldn't know, but such things don't hepy very easily
02:45<jm_>uhm happen
02:47<oznt>funny, both fstab and grub are supposed to automaticaly know what they are doing, but they both fail me
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02:48<oznt>jm_ how do I check a partition with fdisk ?
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02:49<jm_>oznt: fdisk -l /dev/...
02:49<jm_>oznt: I still don't quite understand what your issue is
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02:50<oznt>jm_ if i do fdisk -l /dev/hda8 it says it does not have a partition table.
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02:51<clancy>what was the command to see which debian version is installed?
02:51<jm_>oznt: fdisk -l /dev/hda
02:51<jm_>!tell clancy -about debian version
02:51<oznt>jm_, the issue is not clear to me to - something is wrong with grub or partition table, not sure which
02:51<clancy>thank you
02:51<jm_>oznt: start by finding ou twhich version of grub it is
02:52<oznt>like I said before the lenny version 0.97
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02:53<jm_>ok, so in grub check what it lists when you do: root (hd0,<tab>
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02:56<oznt>jm_ it suggest partition numbers 4,5,6 and 7
02:56<jm_>oznt: right, and in your menu.lst you have?
02:58<oznt>jm_, my root is hd0,7 if I want to boot, but somehow update grub which runs after kernel installation writes it hd0,8
02:58<oznt>and that causes problems
02:58<jm_>oznt: ok now that's better, so update-grub is writing wrong info to menu.lst then?
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02:59<oznt>jm_, i guess so ?
02:59<Supaplex>!lart w2+1040+IRS
02:59*dpkg decapitates w2+1040+IRS conan the destroyer style
02:59<jm_>oznt: update-grub is a shell script, you can easily debug it
03:01<oznt>jm_, i just ran it again, and the answer is yes. it does a lousy job detecting my partitions :-( it uses uuids and misses ...
03:02<jm_>oznt: hmm there was a bug like this for grub 2.0, but I don't remember it for grub - I would just debug the script to figure it out
03:03<simonrvn>Supaplex: i'm guessing you're doing taxes right now? ;p
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03:04<oznt>i am also worried about this exclamation mark i see in gparted, but I don't want to run fsck while systen is up, can I force fsck on the partition before boot ?
03:04<jm_>on /? yes
03:04<oznt>how _
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03:04<simonrvn>touch /forcefsck
03:04<dr|z3d>oznt: You can unmount root. init 1 then mount -r -o remount
03:04<adama>tune2fs will do it
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03:05<oznt>hmm... guys too many options I am confused
03:05<jm_>use touch /forcefsck
03:05<bimzee>hello everybody
03:05<simonrvn>TMTOWTDI ;)
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03:05<dr|z3d>You want to reboot to fsck, or you want to fsck in the currrent session?
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03:06<bimzee>how to install libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6?
03:06<dr|z3d>If you're happy to automatically fsck on reboot, then touch /forcefsck is all you need.
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03:06<simonrvn>dr|z3d: i'm assuming you tell tune2fs to mark it as dirty?
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03:06<jm_>bimzee: why do you want that version?
03:06<dr|z3d>If however you want to fsck in situ, you'll want to mount the partition as readonly.
03:06<bimzee>i am trying to install aptitude-gtk
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03:07<dr|z3d>simonrvn: No need, is there? "touch /forcefsck" should be enough, no?
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03:07<jm_>that's only in experimental, you dont want it if you need to ask questions like this
03:07<simonrvn>dr|z3d: what you proposed ^^^
03:07<bimzee>jm_: it show the error The following packages have unmet dependencies:
03:07<bimzee> aptitude-gtk: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 but it is not installable
03:07<bimzee>E: Broken packages
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03:08<dr|z3d>simonrvn: Ah, in that case, no, I didn't.. sounds like I should?
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03:08<simonrvn>dr|z3d: i was guessing that's what your idea was. i guess not :).
03:09<dr|z3d>I say didn't.. I had to repair a damaged partition earlier.
03:09<bimzee>jm_: but how can i install the aptitude-gtk without it?
03:09<simonrvn>oh ok
03:09<jm_>bimzee: there does not appear to be such package available
03:10<dr|z3d>simonrvn: If I'm honest, I'm not super familar with tune2fs.. what's the advantage of marking the fs as dirty prior to fscking?
03:10<simonrvn>i bet bimzee has some sort of weird mix and match with lenny and sid....
03:10<simonrvn>dr|z3d: i have no idea if you can even do that
03:11<bimzee>jm_: its an experimental package
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03:11<dr|z3d>simonrvn: Right.. I had no issues just mounting read only and doing a full range of fsck operations.
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03:11<jm_>bimzee: yes, I know, but the package it depends on is not available yet
03:11<clancy>i use lenny and i must use MS Office files
03:11<simonrvn>though if you can, then that'll tell the on boot fsck script to do some house cleaning to the journal, or fsck it.
03:11<clancy>are the import filter in openoffice 2.4 ok or should i update to 3.0?
03:12<jm_>simonrvn: you can change time/count based settings to force fsck
03:12<simonrvn>clancy: 2.x was / is fine with m$ stuff
03:12<simonrvn>jm_: ah, cool
03:12<bimzee>jm_: how can i install aptitude-gtk ? is there any other way ignoring the dependecy?
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03:13<adama>dr|z3d: do tune2fs -C 100 /dev/sdx
03:14<simonrvn>bimzee: um, you don't?
03:14<dr|z3d>adama: I'd perform that on a read only mounted partion? What does that give me that fsck alone doesn't?
03:14<clancy>so when an import doesn't work it won't be better with oo 3?
03:14<simonrvn>or build it for your system...
03:14<jm_>bimzee: no, it won't work without it - just wait till the package shows up, but it looks like they'll need to rebuild it against a newer version
03:15<jm_>rebuild aptitude-gtk that is
03:15<adama>dr|z3d: you can perform it on a mounted partition
03:15<simonrvn>clancy: i didn't read the 3.x changelog, so i can't say it's better or not.
03:15<adama>and it will fsck on the next reboot
03:15<dr|z3d>adama: Ah, nifty! And it does broadly the same as fsck?
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03:16<adama>well tune2fs is a different tool but it will do that
03:16<dr|z3d>adama: So that's essentially an alternative to touch /forcefsck ?
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03:16<jm_>dr|z3d: no, it maintains settings in superblock, some of those settings specify when fsck should run
03:16<jm_>you're just changing these settings with it
03:16<bimzee>ok thanks bye
03:17<clancy>do i need any codec to play mp3 files with amarok on a fresh installed lenny?
03:17<clancy>on kde3
03:17<dr|z3d>Ah, right. So tune2fs permits changing of fsck's boot-time options?
03:17<simonrvn>jm_: oh yeh, the boot count/time between fscks thing? of course ;).
03:17<dr|z3d>Or just the frequency of checks?
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03:17<jm_>simonrvn: indeed
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03:18<adama>tune2fs permits changing of a drives "max-mount-times" and "last-fsck-time" etc.
03:18<dr|z3d>Right, gotcha.
03:18<adama>check out "man tune2fs"
03:18*dr|z3d nods.
03:18<k1lumin4t1>is there any utility besides plain editors to configure fstab?
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03:19<adama>I think you can configure vim to syntax-highlight it
03:20<simonrvn>emacs, vim, nano and some others do highlighting
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03:20<clancy>for multimedia keys should i install hotkey or hotkey setup?
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03:20<jm_>clancy: I use lineakd, but there are many apps for it
03:21<jm_>heck maybe KDE/GNOME support it natively
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03:21<simonrvn>i know gnome does
03:21<adama>I never installed any special packages, you just need to set your multimedia app to use them
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03:25<clancy>do i need the postfix daemon for a simple desktop system?
03:25<jm_>looks like some packages you use do
03:26<clancy>i meant portmap
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03:27<panv>i need to do some database programming with python/tkinter...
03:27<jm_>it's used for NFS for example
03:27<panv>any resources please ?
03:28<avu>panv, python has pretty decent documentation. and its own IRC channel(s) :-)
03:28<panv>give me a link to a decent channel please avu ??
03:28<avu>panv, #python both here and on freenode
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03:34<nas>anyone got a good reference for debianizing a source
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03:35<simonrvn>clancy: well, if you're going to use stuff like NIS(+) (i doubt it nowadays except for some crazy old crufty sites ;), NFS, FAM, you will. otherwise --purge it.
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03:35<avu>nas, the new maintainer guide has a pretty decent tutorial for autotools based sources
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03:37<nas>what's the end product? is it still a .deb file?
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03:38<avu>nas, the first end product is a debian source package, which can then be used to create deb files, yes
03:38<clancy>kde feels a bit slow lenny compared to opensuse (same nvidia drivers)
03:39<clancy>was it compiled with another gcc version?
03:40<jm_>i somehow doubt you'll be able to feel speed difference in something like KDE when compiled with different compiler versions
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03:40<avu>last I heard, research has shown that humans can't reliably spot performance differences under 30% in GUI applications
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03:41<avu>and that's surely not in the area caused by a different compiler version
03:42<clancy>opening konqueror was very quit in suse
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03:43<clancy>here in debian i see how it is drawn on the screen
03:43<jm_>are you using nv or nvidia driver?
03:43<jm_>and kde4?
03:43<clancy>no kde3
03:43<jm_>hmm there's some issue with kde4 and nvidia drivers, not sure if it also applies to kde3, but I think it doesn't
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03:44<avu>clancy, are you sure you also activated that driver in your xorg.conf and properly restarted X afterwards?
03:44<clancy>glxgears work
03:44<avu>also, suse might just have this preloading feature of konqueror activated
03:44<jm_>clancy: what does xdypinfo|grep GLX say?
03:44<clancy>command not found :D
03:45<jm_>sorry xdpyinfo
03:45<jm_>ok so it works
03:46<avu>clancy, have you checked if preloading of konqueror instances is active?
03:46<avu>if not, you might want to activate that I guess
03:47<clancy>i'll try it
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03:50<clancy>maybe it is because the 32bit nvidia drivers are better than the 64bit drivers
03:50<clancy>now i use 64bit debian
03:50<clancy>i used 32bit suse
03:50<clancy>and i noticed that nexuiz(yes, for benchmarking :D )
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03:50<k1lumin4t1>64 bit code requires more processing
03:50<clancy>only ran smooth with high details settings when i used the 32bit suse
03:50<k1lumin4t1>since it's composed of 64 bit pointers
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03:51<k1lumin4t1>which require more RAM
03:51<clancy>on all other distros i could only run medium settings that it runs smooth
03:51<clancy>and all others were 64bit
03:51<k1lumin4t1>yu use 64 bits-based distros on machine with more than 2 GB RAM
03:51<k1lumin4t1>is that your case?
03:51<clancy>i have 2 GB ram
03:52<adama>my gdm will not start properly, it hangs at "grey screen with 'watch' cursor" and won't get to the login prompt. There are no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and I just upgraded squeeze to libc6 2.9
03:52<avu>k1lumin4t1, not "on machines with more than 2GB RAM" but on machines where you have single applications that need considerably more than that
03:52<clancy>can 64bit be slower?
03:52<jm_>adama: check gdm logfile - does computer still work after this happens?
03:52<avu>k1lumin4t1, Linux can handle much more than 2GB on a single machine just fine
03:53<k1lumin4t1>avu, well, it was more of a recommendation
03:53<k1lumin4t1>avu, yes, but 64 bit pointers require lots of RAM
03:53<k1lumin4t1>in any OS
03:53<k1lumin4t1>well not lots
03:53<adama>jm_: it works, I can ssh in, go to another tty, even run x11vnc, connect and see the grey screen
03:53<k1lumin4t1>but more RAM than 32 bit pointers
03:53<avu>k1lumin4t1, so? I just said that you *don't" need a 64bit OS even if you do have much more than 2 GB core
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03:54<k1lumin4t1>avu, then I said it was more of a recommendation
03:54<avu>but a silly one at that
03:54<k1lumin4t1>if you want better performance for 64 bit OS then you should have more RAM
03:54<adama>jm_: /var/log/gdm/:0.log has nothing interesting, it's only 19 lines, I can post it
03:54<k1lumin4t1>it's not silly
03:55<k1lumin4t1>it's just common sense
03:55<k1lumin4t1>bigger pointers bigger RAM
03:55<clancy>so 32bit can be faster on my machine?
03:55<k1lumin4t1>not a difference, clancy
03:55<k1lumin4t1>maybe it's like you said
03:55<k1lumin4t1>the driver itself
03:55<k1lumin4t1>but I use nvidia on 64 bits
03:55<k1lumin4t1>on my laptop with 1 GB RAM
03:56<k1lumin4t1>and KDE 4.2 with dolphin/konqueror and both do fine
03:56<clancy>i'll try nexuiz here and then install 32bit lenny to compare
03:56<avu>k1lumin4t1, only a tiny fraction of your core is filled with pointers
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03:56<avu>anyway, EOD
03:56<jm_>adama: anything else in logs after you do invoke-rc.d gdm restart?
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03:58<adama>in var/log/syslog I get
03:58<adama>Apr 15 00:57:11 thebox gdm[10923]: WARNING: Couldn't authenticate user
03:58<adama>Apr 15 00:57:36 thebox last message repeated 19 times
03:58<adama>a bunch
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03:59<jm_>adama: hmm that doesn't make much sense when no login prompt is shown
03:59<nas>avu: the new maintainer's guide says "This revision of this document has been updated for the packages in Debian 2.2 (`potato') and 3.0 (`woody'). "
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04:00<avu>nas, you're reading ?
04:01<adama>jm_: indeed, I think something needs reconfiguring
04:01<avu>nas, I think it's more likely that this line hasn't been updated ;)
04:01<avu>nas, the site says the last update was in 2008
04:01<nas>oh i see, ok
04:01<jm_>adama: is it configured as dm to be used?
04:02<adama>I think I might be missing some gdm/pam thing
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04:02<adama>jm_: I don't know, it starts on startup (gdm)
04:03<jm_>adama: maybe start it yourself on tty with -nodaemon
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04:04<jm_>adama: also try enabling debugging for it
04:04<clancy>is lenny a livecd now?
04:04<adama>the machine is not here
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04:04<jm_>adama: doesn't matter
04:04<adama>jm_: how to enable debugging?
04:05<clancy>the kde iso is the usual debian cd?
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04:05<jm_>adama: in its config file, it has debug section, check defaults.conf
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04:06<clancy>no ok i take this one
04:07<dukje>hi folks, where can i find help for the configuration packages with debconf?
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04:11<adama>jm_: I turned on debug. gdm[8957]: DEBUG: Key file does not have key 'Welcome' e.g.
04:11<adama>but then gdm[8958]: DEBUG: Attempting to parse key string: daemon/ServAuthDir=/var/lib/gdm
04:11<adama>then a line: .
04:11<adama>then nothing, and grey screen
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04:13<adama>pid 8957 is gone, and 8958 is running /usr/sbin/gdm
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04:16<leo>How many of you use gFTP?
04:16<jm_>adama: hmm perhaps it crashes then
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04:42<trueno>Hi! I have been experiencing a weird behavior related to wdm: after the major update of several days ago, I could only log once using wdm. After exiting my X session, I could no longer log in because the enter key was ...
04:42<trueno>not working. I had to restart X in order to be able to log in again. I am using nvidia propietary's drivers. Any clue?
04:43<Silicium01>I loged into my remote machine and it tells me remote host identification changed (when I did not change anything)
04:43<Silicium01>how can I troubleshoot?
04:43<jm_>Silicium01: your ssh server key changed
04:43<Silicium01>jm_, how did it change? I never changed it
04:44<trueno>Silicium01: Or you are using DHCP and the key corresponds to other computer
04:44<Silicium01>trueno, not sure what you mean
04:45<Silicium01>I connectd to this server yesterday and it was fine, today it displays the message and I have not changed anything
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04:46<jm_>Silicium01: check the timestamp on the file
04:46<Silicium01>jm_, which one?
04:46<jm_>Silicium01: ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host*
04:47<Silicium01>jm_, Mar 31
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04:47<jm_>Silicium01: this year? there you go
04:47<jm_>Silicium01: upgraded from etch to lenny?
04:47<trueno>Silicium01: Is the server a home server (or the like) using adifferent ip than yesterday or else using another server's ip?
04:47<Silicium01>this year, but I installed in March
04:48<Silicium01>trueno, it's a remote vps server
04:48<Silicium01>same ip
04:48<jm_>ssh upgrade detects bad key and asks you to regenerate it
04:48<Silicium01>jm_, I have not done ssh upgrade
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04:49<Silicium01>This vps was installed in March, I have not changed anything since
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04:49<Silicium01>yesterday I sshed in fine, today it showed the key changed error
04:49<jm_>Silicium01: well then your client thinks it changed ...
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05:18<fanto666>hello, why were 2.6.26-2-* kernels issued instead of updating 2.6.26-1-* ?
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05:25<OdyX>fanto666: so that you can have both and return to -1-* if -2-* fails.
05:26<azeem>fanto666: because the changes to the kernel changed the module APIs incomatibly, so the bump from 1 to 2 was necessary
05:26<azeem>OdyX: I don't think that's the prime reason
05:26<OdyX>azeem: good point (which I didn't know of). But it is a good side-effect, huh ?
05:27<azeem>yeah I guess
05:27<azeem>but it can lead to kernel-image inflation over time
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05:31<fanto666>OdyX: there were many updates leaving the package name, not the version :)
05:31<fanto666>azeem: aha, thank you
05:31<dr|z3d>Hmm.. reminds me.. in the event that a kernel fails, and previous kernel(s) are available but not visible in grub, what's the quickest route to booting to an older kernel?
05:31<OdyX>fanto666: yes... but with a failing apache, you can still boot…
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05:32<fanto666>OdyX: I mean, kernel updates
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05:33<fanto666>OdyX: of course that's a good idea, I usually leave one former kernel version available...
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05:34<OdyX>AFAIK, the kernel images (and initramfs-tools) leave .bak images in /boot
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05:34<OdyX>which are images of the latest Debian revision kernel if you do everything normally
05:34<fanto666>initramfs, yes but i don't think that about kernel images. And even, lilo won't work that way
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05:35<jm_>dr|z3d: you can use grub command line
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05:37<dr|z3d>jm_: Ok. How would one identify what kernels are available from there?
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05:38<jm_>dr|z3d: you can use kernel (hdX,Y)/boot/vmlinuz-<TAB>
05:38<jm_>or linux (hd...) if you're using grub-pc
05:38<dr|z3d>jm_: Oh, neat. Thanks.
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05:39<jm_>dr|z3d: you'll need to do similar thing for initrd
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05:41<dr|z3d>jm_: Ah, ok. Sounds promising.. nothing worse than installing a new kernel with startupmanager limiting kernel choices to 1, only to find the new kernel doesn't boot :/
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05:52<clancy>hi again
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05:52<clancy>i installed now debian in 32bit
05:52<clancy>and the desktop really feels a lot snappier (same nvidia driver as with 64bit)
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05:58<Nemoder>which driver version?
05:58<clancy>but i can't say if it is because of the driver or 32bit
05:58<adb> some ops for adding up to day topic for #debian as: 5.0.1 released | 4.0r8 released |
05:58<dr|z3d>clancy: Might just be a maturer 32bit driver.
05:59<Nemoder>nvidia is been pretty good with 64bit support
05:59<Nemoder>would be interesting to run some benchmarks though
05:59<clancy>dr|z3d: i think it too
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06:04<clancy>i'm quiet happy that there is also a STABLE linux distro available
06:04<clancy>with all the problems i had with ubuntu, kubuntu, suse & co....
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06:04<clancy>how long will lenny exist?
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06:05<petern>it'll be deleted next week
06:06<dr|z3d>lenny will last forever. Debian bring out a new release only when saturn and jupiter are in balance.
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06:11<j-tizzle>several hours ago i rebooted my laptop with debian testing. i am now getting multiple errors with dbus that are preventing much of my hardware from working (x, mouse, wired/wireless networking). anyone else having problems with dbus?
06:12<jm_>j-tizzle: yeah someone had module-init-tools, dbus and hald issues yesterday
06:12<j-tizzle>jm_, any idea on a solution?
06:13<j-tizzle>upgrading files will be tough since i have no way to copy them (usb is failing, too).
06:13<jm_>j-tizzle: well check bts, perhaps it's all caused by modules not loading automatically
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06:14<jm_>j-tizzle: #523896
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06:16<j-tizzle>jm_, thanks. that appears to be the problem.
06:16<j-tizzle>now, how to fix it....
06:16<jm_>j-tizzle: I would downgrade the package
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06:18<j-tizzle> seven+ years with debian, i don't know that i've ever downgraded.
06:18<j-tizzle>lemme try it!
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06:18<jm_>use dpkg to install older version if you still have it
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06:19<j-tizzle>it's not in my archive.
06:20<adb>judd: vesions dbus
06:20<judd>adb: Error: "vesions" is not a valid command.
06:20<adb>judd: versions dbus
06:20<judd>adb: dbus -- etch: 1.0.2-1+etch1 etch-security: 1.0.2-1+etch2 lenny: 1.2.1-5 sid: 1.2.12-1 squeeze: 1.2.12-1
06:20<jm_>then I'd say boot with a live CD, mount it, transfer the old version to the system and install it
06:21<j-tizzle>rock. great idea. thanks.
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06:28<ganu> i installed xen on my debian pc and im not able to see any window when i run the command "xm create x.cfg"
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06:46<Razique>hi there
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06:50<Razique>do u have ever heard about debian's freeze ?
06:50<petemc> /msg dpkg freeze
06:50<Razique>for on of our servers, Debian sometimes juste freezes
06:50<petemc>oh, thats a different kind of freeze
06:50<Razique>yah :D
06:50<Razique>Syslog's empty
06:51<Razique>so I dunno what to do
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06:51<petemc>check your hardware
06:51<Razique>well I did
06:51<Razique>I checked the PSU, the disks, the RAM
06:51<Razique>everything seems good
06:52<Razique>well I'm pretty sure it's an hardware issue
06:52<Razique>u right
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06:52<jm_>is keyboard attached to it?
06:52<Razique>does Debian provide tools in order to test components ?
06:52<Razique>yes usb one
06:53<Razique>I can't rack it atm I have to many freeze
06:53*Razique say HI to jm_
06:54<jm_>Razique: are keyboard leds blinking when this happens?
06:55<Razique>kb light do not work
06:55<Razique>I mean when it freezes, the kb seems to be deactivated
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06:56<petern>anything on screen?
06:56<Razique>petern : nuttin
06:56<Razique>total freeze
06:56<jm_>well make sure the screen doesn't blank before this happens
06:56<Razique>Gnome was stopped
06:57<Razique>i typed two / three caracters
06:57<jm_>so it freezes when in X?
06:57<Razique>nope, it happends even if i've stopped any graphical session
06:58<Razique>weird :/
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07:00<EmleyMoor>Can anyone recommend a good laptop that won't cost a lot and will work well with Debian?
07:01<Razique>EmleyMoor : what budget ?
07:01<EmleyMoor>Up to 500 GBP
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07:03<bremner>If your needs are modest, I think you can get two or three eee pc's for that
07:04<bremner>EmleyMoor: I have chosen (Lenovo, previously IBM) thinkpads, mainly because there is a community of people running Linux on them.
07:04<EmleyMoor>Need min. 80Gb disk
07:05<bremner>EmleyMoor: How portable do you need?
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07:05<EmleyMoor>Considering an Ideapad - but don't need ultra portable
07:06<EmleyMoor>Some of the Thinkpads seem good but expensive!
07:06<bremner>EmleyMoor: if there is something in your price range, you can ask on how linux runs
07:07<EmleyMoor>I can easily get one with Ubuntu but would prefer Debian
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07:07<bremner>if you have Ubuntu, it is probably not hard to upgrade to Debian, modulo proprietary drivers for Wireless and Graphics
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07:10<EmleyMoor>They start at 603.75 though
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07:13<EmleyMoor>Ideapad S10e with SuSE 287.50... not sure how that would be on Debian
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07:15<bremner>EmleyMoor: probably if runs SuSe, it runs debian OK
07:16<bremner>but there are people on that list who could tell you more
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07:17<bremner>there are plenty of other brands, I just don't personally have experience
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07:24<k1lumin4t1>how could I know which version of LVM is working on my system?
07:25<petemc>dpkg -l|grep lvm
07:25<dpkg>petemc: wish i knew
07:26<k1lumin4t1>petemc, thanks
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07:27<gsimmons>k1lumin4t1: Also: lvm version
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07:30<xixian>Get psyBNC for w1nd0ze on
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07:30<nettles>Get psyBNC for w1nd0ze on
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07:38<mjt>what's an "irc bouncer" anyway?
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07:39<brockmey>Get psyBNC for w1nd0ze on
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07:39<stagmier>Get psyBNC for w1nd0ze on
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07:39<EmleyMoor>mjt: A kind of IRC proxy
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07:40<mjt>but why?
07:40<mjt>i mean, what it is useful for?
07:40<mjt>(not the one being advertised, the real one :)
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07:40<dangubic>Get psyBNC for w1nd0ze on
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07:40<EmleyMoor>Well, if you want to IRC from where you otherwise can't...
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07:41<avu>staying connected to IRC even when your machine is offline
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07:41<avu>and you're too $something to just use irssi in a screen :)
07:41<mjt>aha. avu's comment makes sens.
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07:41<mjt>there's no screen(1) on "w1nd0ze"
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07:43<mjt>lilo -v
07:43<mjt>er miswin
07:44<bremner>mjt: bouncers have advantages over screen. History playback for example
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07:45<avu>bremner, huh? I don't think you get how irssi+screen works.
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07:45<petemc>you get your irc clients history with screen
07:45<petern>why is 'history playback' better than irssi's history?
07:45<avu>bremner, with that, you don't need "history playback" as your client just keeps a continous history.
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07:49<bremner>if you are happy with screen+irssi, great.
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07:50<jm_>yeah it might help people using GUI clients for example
07:50<ubuntista>salve, c'è qualche italiano qui ?
07:50<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:50<ubuntista>umh, no...
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08:21<k1lumin4t1>reiserfs or ext3 for a data FS?
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08:27<k1lumin4t1>goodger, how could I determine an addequate Inode size for a ext3 FS?
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08:28<jm_>just use the defaults
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08:37<idebugthereforeiexist>whats the tool that can cat a tarred file without having to unpack it?
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08:38<Maulkin>Do you mean gzipped? If so, zcat
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08:38<idebugthereforeiexist>awsome, thats it
08:38<Maulkin>or zless
08:38<fcs>hello, everybody
08:38<jm_>idebugthereforeiexist: tar can do that (to stdout)
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08:41<fcs>i have download the tango skin (liks look about the ms office) for openoffice. So, i have no idea to install this Theme on openoffice - can everyone help me ?
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08:42<tom_>anyone out here?
08:42<tom_>i tried to set up a dhcp server
08:42<tom_>ubuntu 8.10
08:42<pantelis>i m in debian sid and have installed network-manager-kde
08:42<pantelis>i am connected but netwok-manager-kde's tray icon show network down
08:42<pantelis>any idea
08:42<tom_>i installed dhcp-server3
08:43<tom_>configed /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
08:43<goodger>tom_: go to #ubuntu on freenode, we do not support ubuntu
08:43<goodger>thank you
08:44<fcs>what is with my question?
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08:45<fcs>i have one more question
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08:47<fcs>i have remove the gdm. so i login in the shell and than i type startx. Then gnome started. I have install fluxbox, too. How can I start fluxbox?
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08:48<petemc>fcs: look in ~/.xsession
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08:53<jm_>fcs: alternatively set the right alternatives for x-session-manager and x-window-manager and startx will do that too
08:54<jm_>and/or even
08:55<fcs>petemc: i have only .xsession-errors
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08:57<amdgoon>not sure but try startfluxbox
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08:59<jm_>fcs: the file is not there by default
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09:02<fcs>couldnt connect to xserver
09:02<fcs>so, Must i quit gnome ?
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09:06<fcs>oh no
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09:06<fcs>i install virtualbox
09:07<amdgoon>fcs: put two linex in a file called .xinitrc in your home dir
09:07<amdgoon>first line: #!/bin/bash
09:08<amdgoon>second line: exec startfluxbox
09:08<amdgoon>startx should start fluxbox then, but that is without X running
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09:10<djc>gdm can start whichever window manager you want
09:10<djc>you don't need to manually start X to use a different wm
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09:10<amdgoon>he'll have to put gdm back on then
09:11<djc>it wil lwork either way
09:11<djc>gdm might be more convenient
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09:13<djc>holy crap
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09:16<amdgoon>weird, a black screen with a white font lol
09:17<djc>must be some 'hacker tool'
09:17<djc>MS-conditioned fools
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09:18<djc>if something doesnt have a 'start' button and a gui menu it must be something illegal
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09:22<xiq>hello people! i have a problem... i installed kdebase (3.5 i think), everything works fine, but i cant enter the root password
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09:27<k1lumin4t1>how do I set up a mountpoint to be mounted by regular users also?
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09:28<djc>man mount
09:28<djc>look for 'options'
09:28<ranix>djc: feeling frisky this morning, eh?
09:28<djc>specifically the 'user' option
09:29<djc>then also man fstab
09:29<prahal>hi ... kernel.log contains "corrupted" entries (I am debugging a driver and adding a lot of output, the start of it is nearly always missing or garbage... this seems to match what dmesg is able to keep in its buffer). Do I need to look after sysctl config , klogd or syslogd (when it grabs messages from klogd)
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09:29<djc>ranix, funny
09:30<ranix>djc: don't fstab me
09:30<djc>I just released you came in after the question I was responding to
09:30<prahal>or is there a channel about close to kernel but not yet in things ?
09:30<djc>"things" ?
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09:31<prahal>logging services for kernel messages
09:31<ranix>there is #linux which is closer-to-topic
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09:31<djc>if you are writing kernel drivers, you might want to find a kernel developers channel
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09:31<prahal>ok I though this one was for beginners
09:32<djc>this is a Debian support channel
09:32<ranix>there are people here who have knowledge in that area
09:32<prahal>djc, I am just adding a lot of printk to write a small doc about the internal of an out of tree driver (ralink 2860 as in eeepc 1000)
09:32<djc>but hopefully one has a quite thorough understanding of how to use linux itself, before one goes writing, or even debugging, code in the kernel
09:33<prahal>djc, yup 10 years ... though it is the fisrt time I manage to overflow rsyslogd to get it to produce garbage
09:33<ranix>djc: I think one could have a quite thorough understanding of how to use linux without knowing much about klogd and sysctl
09:33<djc>I would look for a kernel-dev channel or resource
09:33<djc>ranix, yes, one could
09:34<djc>and should
09:34<ranix>prahal: you could take a gander at #emdebian
09:34<ranix>they have done a lot of work with eee
09:34<ranix>might be familiar with your particular problem even
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09:36<fcs>i have restart my system - log in as the shell (bash) - then i type startfluxbox - than my PC give out : "Couldn't connect to xserver
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09:36<fcs>gnome was off
09:36<ranix>fcs: I have not heard of "startfluxbox"
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09:36<ranix>fcs: but it sounds like it needs X running
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09:36<ranix>fcs: do you know about X?
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09:37<ranix>maybe put "startfluxbox" in your .xinitrc
09:37<djc>fcs re-enable gdm.
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09:38<fcs>hmm ok
09:38<djc>then go into its settings and add fluxbox as a window manager
09:38<fcs>i do it for you
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09:38<djc>gdm doesnt force gnome
09:38<fcs>gdm is remove
09:38<djc>gdm is a login manager
09:38<fcs>yes i know
09:38<djc>it doesnt mean you have to use gnome
09:38<fcs>i login in my shell
09:38<djc>ok, you specifically don't want gui login?
09:39<fcs>that i know too
09:39<fcs>that i mean
09:39<fcs>how i find the .xinitrc ?
09:39<djc>do you specifically not want a gui login?
09:39<djc>if you dont have one create it
09:39<djc>in your home dir
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09:40<ranix>!tell fcs -about .xinitrc
09:40<fcs>my shell is bash ... or what do you mean ?
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09:40<djc>you create that file in your home directory
09:40<djc>put 'startfluxbox' in it
09:41<mjt>is it .xinitrc or .xsession?
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09:41<ranix>the dpkg factoid .xinitrc explains the difference between the two
09:41<mjt>.msg dpkg xinitrc
09:44<fcs>there is noone of this
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09:44<djc>you have to *create* the file if it doesnt exist
09:45<fcs>i would make .xinitrc with : make .xinitrc | that dont do it
09:45<djc>eg, if you want to use
09:45<djc>im thinking you really arent a linux user
09:45<mjt>now that's a nice idea :)
09:45<mjt>make .xinitrc
09:45<djc>you have no idea how to ceeate a file?
09:45<mjt>i love it
09:46<mjt>make: Nothing to be done for `.xsession'.
09:46<djc>mjt, smack
09:46<djc>fcs, you don't know how to create a file?
09:46<djc>lets see echo "startfluxbox" > .xsession
09:46<fcs>sure - with make
09:46<fcs>or not?
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09:46<djc>open an editor type 'startfluxbox', use the editors save command, and tell it to save to ".xsession"
09:47<djc>'make' is for using Makefiles
09:47<mjt>cd; echo startfluxbox > .xinitrc; chmod +x .xinitrc
09:47<mjt>cut-n-paste that into your shell.
09:47<mjt>whole line
09:47<djc>which control compilation of source code
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09:47<fcs>that is easy
09:47<djc>it has nothing to do with simply creating a text file
09:48<fcs>but what could I do to make a empty file ??
09:48<ranix>touch .xinitrc
09:48<fcs>i would learn it
09:48<ranix>then edit the file
09:48<djc>I must admit I find it a bit baffling that someone that groks the concept of editing C source code can't figure out how to create a file
09:48<djc>you dont need to create it empty
09:48<mjt>. o O { visual programming }
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09:49<ranix>lots of people "know" C/C++
09:49<djc>but even then, opening a text editor, typing some text, and saving it to a file, strikes me as a very basic skill
09:49<djc>I blame Microsoft
09:49<ranix>i.e. it boggles my mind how people can still get confused by pointers
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09:49<ranix>spoilers: if pointers confuse you, you don't fucking know C
09:50<ranix>well except in multidimensional arrays
09:50*djc admits that while he understands the concept of pointers, C pointer syntax is confusing as fuck
09:50<ranix>nobody really knows how C multidimensional arrays and pointers work together
09:50<djc>strike that
09:50<djc>C cyntax is confusing as fsck
09:50<djc>syntax even
09:50<fcs>i have create this
09:50<ranix>I find fsck fairly straightforward myself
09:50<fcs>and know ?
09:50<djc>'startx' ?
09:51<ranix>fcs startx
09:51<mjt>don't forget to chmod +x it
09:51<fcs>so i must exit gnome or not ?
09:51<fcs>i have it
09:51<ranix>you cannot exit gnome
09:51<djc>mjt, im actually not sure thats required.. I thing it sources it
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09:51<ranix>it is not a thing you enter
09:51<ranix>gnome is a window manager
09:51<ranix>it changes how X looks
09:51<djc>if you have X running , you need to exit it
09:51<ranix>and adds functionality
09:51<djc>ranix, ?!?!
09:51*mjt runs away.. it's too loud in there... ;)
09:52<fcs>i end gnome
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09:52<fcs>than i am in my bash
09:52<ranix>djc: did I say a confusing thing?
09:52<fcs>than i type startx in this
09:52<ranix>gnome cannot be
09:52<ranix>as it is not something one enters
09:52<fcs>a moment pls
09:52<djc>1. gnome is a session manager, not a window manager. (by defaul it uses the 'sawfish' window manager, but it can run something else) 2. both a session manager, and a window manager, are in fact programs that one runs, and one can 'exit' (eg cause to cease running).
09:53<fcs>gnome and fluxbox are an session manager
09:53<fcs>is this right?
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09:53<djc>fluxbox is a window manager
09:53<mjt>gnome is quite a bit bigger than session manager.
09:53<ranix>Gnome is NOT a session manager
09:53<djc>gnome is not a window manager
09:53<mjt>it's whole desktop environment that runs on top of X, with many programs/components.
09:53<ranix>ok, I'll give you that
09:54<ranix>exiting gnome is still a little wavy though
09:54<djc>ok, but the part of gnome that people think of as a 'window manager' is in fact a session manager
09:54<weasel>gdm is a display manager.
09:54<weasel>gnome is a desktop environment
09:54<ranix>one can exit X
09:54<fcs>than the question is - how can i change from gnome to fluxbox and back ?
09:54<weasel>metacity is a window manager
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09:54<djc>one can exit the gnome session manager
09:54<ranix>fcs: your display manager can probably handle it for you
09:55<djc>generally, the also terminates X
09:55<fcs>i must learn it
09:55<ranix>fcs: just terminate X
09:55<mjt>fcs: btw, gdm lets one to choose what to run.
09:55<ranix>then alter your "session" to fluxbox before logging in
09:55<djc>if it was started from gdm, gdm gets control back. if you started X from vty, then you return to ther vty
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09:55<djc>ranix, hes not using gdm
09:55<djc>hes using startx from vty
09:55<ranix>are you sure
09:55<djc>and apparently, doesnt want to use gdm
09:55<djc>not sure why
09:55<ranix>he appears to be running X right now and logged into gnome
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09:55<djc>started from 'startx'
09:55<ranix>and is trying to startx in a terminal emulator
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09:56<fcs>fluxbox started
09:56<ranix>see I told you
09:56<fcs>ok - how can i change from fluxbox to gnome ?
09:56<djc>fcs, you existed from X, and restarted using 'startx' ?
09:57<fcs>can i change without close fluxbox ?
09:57<ranix>why would you want to
09:57<djc>Ok I give up on guessing wtf he is doing.. He seems thoroughly confused
09:57<djc>I supose one could use the gnome-session manager, but the fluxbox window manager
09:57<fcs>i will learn everything about linux (and xserver) - so i must play with there - how with my girlfriend :)
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09:58<fcs>in - out | in - out
09:58<fcs>you understand ?
09:58<mjt>that's something about that xxx sites ?
09:58<ranix>fcs: you dirty dogg
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09:58<djc>So what you are saying is that you want to fsck with linux
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09:59<fcs>fsck ? a partition manager ?
09:59<djc>I think there are other places to start with than how to change window and/or session managers
09:59<mjt>confusion eliminator.
09:59<dpkg>fsck is probably a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. See also <forcefsck>.
09:59<djc>fsck is similar to what windows calls 'scandisk'
10:00<mjt>btw, that's probably also correct definition for fsck -- confusion eliminator
10:00<mjt>.. or 'chkdsk'
10:00<djc>I dont beleive MS has been shipping chkdsk for quite some time
10:01<djc>I seem to recall even DOS 5.0 had scandisk
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10:01<djc>but I could be wrong. I havent use MS products since DOS 5.0
10:01<djc>er.. make that 6.0
10:01<djc>or somethinbg like htat
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10:01<mjt>chkdsk is the main thing on nt-based line (win2k, winxp, vista etc)
10:02<mjt>scandisk is the gui version
10:02<mjt>chkdsk was present on all windows versions since win95
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10:02<mjt>and always was on nt-based things.
10:02<djc>Ah thats right.. they copied Noron
10:02<djc>In fact it was even called Norton Scandisk
10:02<djc>I think MS borged Norton
10:03<djc>"back in the day'
10:03<fcs>can i easy switch to gnome .... ? without a gdm or kdm ?
10:03<djc>if you edit or rename that .xinitrc file, exit X, the restart X, it will return to the previous behavior
10:04<djc>with gnome-session and metacity
10:04<mjt>norton is owned by symantec
10:04<djc>either delete the file or rename it
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10:05<djc>mjt, I could swear I remember there being a "Norton Scandisk". If MS didnt borg them maybe they just copied them outright
10:05<mjt>scandisk in dos/win started as a very light version of norton scandisc
10:05<djc>Maybe they just licensed it from them
10:05<mjt>it had (c) perer norton etc initially
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10:06<djc>"We wont sue you for making profucts that infringe on our FAT patent if you give us a free copy"
10:06<mjt>or (c) symantec - it was quite some time ago
10:06<djc>Ah ok.. I knew they had something to do with each other
10:06<fcs>I LOVE BASH
10:06*djc remembers his DOS heydey quaintly
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10:07<fcs>i think i buy a shirt with this words
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10:08<mjt>djc: symantec bought norton when it was at Norton Utilities 8.0 - around early win95 days i think.
10:08<djc>Far past the time when I had left MS behind permanently
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10:10<djc>I used DOS with DesQview until getting on the Internet via a dialup-shell started to go away. PPP dialup with DOS just sucked. I borrowed someones win 3.1 and trumpet winsock long enough to ftp slackware install floppy images
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10:11<djc>Of course that was when 'On the Internet' didn't have anything to do with a GUI web browser
10:11<djc>or at least, when that wasn't the perceived primary focus of it
10:11<mjt>i remember how i were collecting gcc binaries using ftpmail gateway...
10:11<mjt>over uucp
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10:11<djc>I had a uucp over ppp setup for my email once ;)
10:12<djc>well.. uucp over IP
10:12<djc>which happened to be PPP
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10:13<Txt_file1>has someone experience with a ctx948-tvcard?
10:14<djc>this is a tuner?
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10:15<clancy>can i watch DVDs on lenny (with vlc for example)?
10:15<djc>add non-free repository. install libdvdcss
10:16<djc>make that libdvdcss2
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10:18<fcs>ok thanks
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10:21<Txt_file1>djc: what do you mean with tuner?
10:21<gsimmons>djc: libdvdcss2 isn't in non-free.
10:22<Txt_file1>has a saa7133 chip on it so I think that this is a tunercard
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10:23<fcs>i have started the nautilus - than i have a mix on gnome and fluxbox on my desktop
10:23<fcs>how can i end/close/exit the gnome
10:23<mjt>libdvdcss is in debian-multimedia repo if i'm not mistaken
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10:25<krishna>fcs: killing all processes related to nautilus
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10:27<paggas>hi everyone, does anyone know whether there will be any updates for the texlive-xetex package? it's still in version 2007. or maybe the developers are waiting for luatex? :)
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10:34<prahal>Txt_file1, might be a good starting point
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10:35<Txt_file1>prahal: I will take a look
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10:53<urbinek>i'e got problem with mplayer, it sometimes freezes and slow working
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10:54<urbinek>it's like that on evry output (gl works quite god)
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10:54<ranix>it works well
10:54<urbinek>but still slow sometimes
10:54<urbinek>ant freezes
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10:55<urbinek>good * >.<
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11:02<Razique>a friend of mine has it's Debian running since 2006
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11:02<Razique>without any reboot :D
11:03<Razique>Debian powa o/
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11:03<Txt_file1>that would be very good
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11:04<Razique>well in few weeks, he 'll have à 4 years uptime
11:04<Razique>that's insane
11:04<alemani>Razique: does he have a good UPS I guess
11:05<Razique>well yah :-)
11:05<Razique>another one reached 1000 days few days ago
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11:05<Razique>these are good times
11:06<urbinek>that's najs
11:06<Razique>if you have nice uptimes
11:06<Razique>you can susccribe to the `Tugs project
11:06<Razique>useless so usefull
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11:07<Razique>You setup a client on ur server, then it send the uptime to the website
11:07<Razique>I'm happy when I see manies Debian on the top list
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11:16<fcs>i have a date in 2 hours
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11:17<ant_>in gnome i saved a key for a remote folder for this session, how can i save this key permanently now? so if i restart gnome & xsession i still have the key?
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12:05<debacle>Hi all, i'm on lenny. And i have a fresh postfix installation. Is it possible to redirect all locally generated mail do my real email address ?
12:06<debacle>I've tryed to edit /etc/aliases and them i've executed newaliases but it do not work !
12:06<debacle>5B65F1CC05D: to=<root@stillfile.localdomain>, orig_to=<root>,[]:25, delay=15, delays=0.02/0/0.23/15, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 <20090415160601.5B65F1CC05D@stillfile.localdomain> Queued mail for delivery)
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12:07<debacle>even if i told in etc/aliases root:
12:07<debacle>can anyone help ?
12:07<bighornram>what package do I install to put mpeg-4 video to totem?
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12:26<daedhel>why is emerald not in the repos?
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12:30<djc>debacle, if all you want is to forward all mail to an outside account, why did you install postfix?
12:30<djc>although I dont think postfix uses /etc/aliases
12:30<djc>I dunno
12:30<djc>wtf is up with my irc client the font is all funny
12:31<debacle>djc: sorry : exim4 was removed many times ago !
12:31<djc>ok im back
12:31<debacle>djc: do not i need an mta to deliver mails to mail account ?
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12:32<djc>unless you are hosting mail on your machine, not really.. I'd suggest an mta stub that just forwards root mail to your isp
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12:32<djc>my question was more, why remove the stock mta (exim) and install postfix?
12:32<djc>I mean, if you are running a mailserver and prefer postfix, thats one thing
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12:33<djc>but if you arent actually hosting local mail, id either use the default mta, or find a stub
12:33<djc>lemme see what stubs are in the repos
12:33<koollman>postfix do uses /etc/aliases, but you have to regen its db with postalias
12:34<djc>basically it looks like an mta to anything that wants to call it as /usr/sbin/sendmail, but then it just smtp's right off to your smtarthost
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12:34<debacle>djc: you are right! exim has been removed times ago becausee the machine should never be a mail server and disk space was important (only 4GB hd)
12:35<djc>ah.. theres something called 'ssmtp'
12:35<djc>its a lightweight
12:35<djc>it wont alias
12:36<djc>you can setup exim to not listen on smtp port
12:36<djc>but to only act as /usr/sbin/sendmail so that local stuff that wants to send mail (eg cron) has something to drop to
12:36<debacle>sendmail ? ok ... let me see !thanks for the moment ... if i'll be in trouble again i know someone here can always give help !
12:36<djc>although it looks like
12:36<djc>you dont want sendmail
12:37<djc>all mta's provide something that 'looks' like sendmail for local programs to call to pipe mail to
12:37<djc>eg it accepts the same arguments, mostly, and the same input format
12:37<djc>well ann *nix mtas.. I dunno about windowsland
12:37<debacle>djc: i need a veeeery basic features ... i think ssmtp or sendmail is ok !
12:37<djc>sendmail is a big ugly legacy thing
12:38<djc>you dont want 'sendmail'
12:38<djc>and it appears that ssmtp cant alias "root" for you
12:38<gsimmons>daedhel: Because it hasn't been packaged. See #522935 in the BTS.
12:38<djc>koollman mentined that postfix will read /etc/aliases, apparently you have to do something for it to import that file into its own
12:39<daedhel>gsimmons, sorry for noob question but what is BTS ?
12:39<gsimmons>!tell daedhel -about bts
12:39<djc>personally, I'd never use anything but exim.. but thats primarily becuase I've been an exim admin for a good ten years, starting back when it was v 2.x
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12:40<daedhel>gsimmons, thanks
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12:43<daedhel>gsimmons, so its a feature request
12:44<dpkg>methinks rfp is a Request For Package; see, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: "
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12:46<djc>mainly, its waiting for someone to volunteer to package it for debian
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12:47<daedhel>great thanks
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12:51<fxiny>what was the problem with postfix aliases ?
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12:53<fxiny>you edit /etc/aliases so you have newaliases : run newaliases ;)
12:53<fxiny>i liked exim but i moved to postfix since sarge
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12:56<fxiny>i have no particular treason . exim works out of the box , i wanted to read about postfix , found a book floating then more docs so i installed it . can't find a reason to remove it :)
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12:57<fxiny>i bet most users do not know how exim works , i did not know it m i am lazy . moving to postfix adds to experience , you must do more then something to run postfix
12:58<stuckey>Does anyone here know how to get mplayer to play a DVD? I gave "mplayer dvd://" but it says "No stream found."
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12:58<EagleScreen>I have Debian testing/sid (some packages from sid), as like as flashplugin-nonfree, I haven't audio on flash videos, for instance on youtube
12:59<fxiny>stuckey: mplayer dvd://1
12:59<fxiny>or 2
12:59<stuckey>Then when I give "mplayer dvd://2" it waits about 30 seconds and then I get a really choppy video and choppy sound...
12:59<stuckey>It looks like I'm trying to play a video on a really, really old computer or something.
12:59<clancy>do you know a math app to draw vectors in the 3d space?
13:00<fxiny>how old ?
13:00<stuckey>Here's the full output:
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13:00<stuckey>fxiny: Like 10 or 12 years maybe...
13:00<stuckey>I don't know, maybe older; the playback really looks like shit.
13:00<gravity>clancy: octave?
13:01<fxiny>stuckey: like mine . i watch movies on a faster box
13:01<gravity>clancy: R can be used for 3d graphics as well
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13:02<cahoot>stuckey: the CRC check error might be worth a google session
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13:02<clancy>gravity: is octave for the command line?
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13:04<gravity>clancy: Yes, it's a matlab clone
13:05<gravity>clancy: You can also use a frontend like qtoctave, which is quite nice
13:05<adama>stuckey: you can try cranking down the settings in mplayer, I think it makes some suggestions when it says "Your computer is too slow"
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13:06<gravity>clancy: For R, there's also rcommander, which is pretty good
13:07<stuckey>adama: My computer is in no case too slow.
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13:08<cahoot>stuckey: might be worth checking if dma is enabled
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13:09<stuckey>cahoot: What's dma?
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13:09<adama>you said it was 12 years old?
13:09<stuckey>adama: No, I said as if it were twelve years old.
13:09<adama>what's the thing to let me use the mouse in cli?
13:09<adama>oh, k
13:09<stuckey>adama: I'm using an intel 8400 with an nvidia 9800 GT.
13:09<dkr>adama: gpm
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13:11<stuckey>How do I install something from debian-multimedia using apt-get?
13:11<|JackYF|>as usual
13:11<j-tizzle>stuckey, you have to add debian-multimedia to /etc/apt/sources.list
13:11<cahoot>try /msg dpkg dmm
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13:13<j-tizzle>stuckey, add `deb testing main' to /etc/apt/sources.list
13:13<cahoot>you know he wants testing?
13:14<j-tizzle>i don't.
13:14<fxiny>and you are right , stuckey runs squeeze
13:15<j-tizzle>i figured i had a 50/50 chance. if he ran sid he'd know how. :-)
13:15<djc>dvdcss is in 'restricted'
13:15<Hydroxide>djc: 'restricted' is an ubuntu thing, not a debian thing
13:16<djc>but id still put "squeeze" in there not "testing"
13:16<djc>thats not debian?
13:16<j-tizzle>i'm running squeeze and my system is unusable due to the modules-init-tools bug (523896). my mouse, x, networking, etc. doesn't work. it was suggested that i downgrade m-i-t. didn't work. anyone have a clue aobut this one?
13:16<j-tizzle>er, "don't"
13:17<Hydroxide>djc: nothing official, no. is official debian stuff, is anything unofficial from the debian community with the involvement of at least one debian developer to get the DNS entry
13:17<djc>Looks like 'debian unofficial' to me
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13:17<djc>debian-multimedia isnt official debian either, afaik
13:17<Hydroxide>djc: never heard about before honestly
13:17<Hydroxide>djc: I assumed you were referring to the ubuntu archive section restricted
13:18<Hydroxide>djc: sorry for the confusion, though honestly no hostname should be referring to illegal things really... just as doesn't
13:18<Hydroxide>err, just as doesn't use
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13:19<djc>looks like dvdcss is in both of them, actually
13:19<barnes>is there any good open source webmail solutions that looks like outlook?
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13:19<djc>barnes, masochist, are we? or just trying to pacify fool end users?
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13:20<barnes>fool end users offcource =)
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13:21<djc>i dont actually know, to be honest. Ive spoiled myself and am totally unable to use any interface other than gmails
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13:22<djc>what Id really like to find is either 1. An implementation of the gmail interface I can put on *my* server or 2. the addition of the ability of gmail itself to be able to access imap servers
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13:23*fxiny runs mutt the xmonad way : raiseMaybe runInTerm :)
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13:24<fxiny>delicatessen :P
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13:27<barnes>djc so far zimbra looks good
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13:29<barnes>djc seems to be a good project
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13:30<dastasio>quien hay hay
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13:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:31<djc>barnes, Honestly, I don't see duplicating the mechanism or appearance of MS products as a useful end
13:31<adama>my gdm will not start properly, it gets only a grey screen with the little watch cursor. Syslog is filling up with this:
13:31<djc>but if thats what you need, go for it..
13:31<clancy>how can i change the langiage of qt4 apps in lennykde3?
13:31<dastasio>por favor ha alguie
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13:31<clancy>they are in english but my kde desktop is in another language
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13:32<dr|z3d>djc: I disagree. If you can get the ms-crack addicted folk on something similar but open source, you start to chip away at Ms's dominance. Look at OpenOffice.
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13:32<djc>Well.. maybe
13:32<dastasio>clancy eres ingles que bien
13:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:33<clancy>dastasio: no estoy ingles....
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13:33<dr|z3d>clancy: *soy :)
13:33<dastasio>que eres
13:33<clancy>arr..spanish wasn't easy :D
13:34<djc>You said "I am not English"
13:34<n_nick>y is irc.ubuntu not working .. ? any specific reason
13:34<dr|z3d>Yeah, but using the wrong verb.
13:34<djc>If you meant to say that you didnt speak spanish, try "No habla espan~ol"
13:34<adama>irc.ubuntu is not a FQDN
13:34<dr|z3d>Estar is ephemeral, Serer is permenant.
13:34<dastasio>pues entonces habla en español
13:34<n_nick>adama: FQDN
13:35<dr|z3d>Anyways, enough lingual off-topicness.
13:35<djc>Er, yes, the first time was 'I not english"
13:35<dastasio>soys todos unos jilipollas
13:36<clancy>el elefante es grande
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13:36<adama>n_nick: fully qualified domain name - you need .org or something
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13:36<dastasio>a si dr
13:36<adama>hey, go speak spanish in !es
13:36<n_nick>yes adama
13:36<djc>dastasio El idioma de este canal es Inglés. No hablamos español - Estoy con la traducción de google. Si necesita ayuda en español, por favor intente el canal # debian-es
13:36<dastasio>no me lo me lo puedo creer
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13:37<n_nick>i tried to connect before connecting to Debian Network.. it was not working ...
13:37<stuckey>Anyone know why mplayer won't play a dvd when I give "mplayer dvdnav://"?
13:37<stuckey>Or "mplayer dvd://" ?
13:37<dastasio>gracias djc
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13:37<TIBS01>someone help me plz
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13:37<djc>now that I understood without needing google ;)
13:37<dr|z3d>!tell TIBS01 about ask
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13:38<TIBS01>how do i upgrade this to current debian
13:38<TIBS01>shell:~# uname -a
13:38<TIBS01>Linux shell 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 26 04:10:16 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
13:38-!-TIBS01 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
13:38<dastasio>puedes hablarme en español porfavor
13:38<dr|z3d>!tell dastasio about es
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13:39<djc>!tell TIBS01 about pastebin
13:39<dastasio>thank you
13:39<stuckey>TIBS01: Open "/etc/apt/sources.list"
13:39<dr|z3d>Don't paste in the channel.
13:39<shiznatix>Hello. I want to install songbird but I can
13:39<stuckey>TIBS01: and change "etch" to "lenny" wherever it appears.
13:39<clancy>TIBS01: change etch to lenny in your sources.list, run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
13:39<djc>stuckey, should probably fully update to what he has first
13:39<ml>!tell TIBS01 -about paste
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13:39<dr|z3d>And try reading the channel topic, TIBS01
13:39<dastasio>ola guapa
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13:39<shiznatix>Sorry, I want to install songbird from the deb package but I can't because of the firefox dependency. How do I get around this?
13:39<erKURITA>dastasio si tienes alguna pregunta, habla en #debian-es. De lo contrario, este canal es solamente en Inglés
13:40<erKURITA>y no es un canal de ligue, asi que por favor
13:40*dr|z3d senses a Spanglophone cull in the offing.
13:40<j-tizzle>stuckey, he should first upgrade apt, dpkg, and aptitude before doing the full-upgrade.
13:40<djc>what j-tizzle said too
13:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:40<TIBS01>apt-get dist-upgrade
13:40<TIBS01>didnt do nothing
13:40<stuckey>j-tizzle: I've never read that.
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13:40<erKURITA>ml I know, Sherlock
13:40<adama>my gdm will not start properly, it gets only a grey screen with the little watch cursor. Syslog is filling up with this:
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13:40<dastasio>muchas gracias pero el internet no fuciona
13:41<adama>dastasio: stop
13:41<dr|z3d>TIBS01: update-manager -d
13:41<TIBS01>ok dokie
13:41<dkr>the internet doesn't work? how are we talking then? :p
13:41<djc>Usted está actualmente en el canal #debian. Para encontrar personas que hablan español que le pueden ayudar, en vez ir a #debian-es
13:41<dr|z3d>Hey. The trolls are fat. Stop feeding!
13:41<TIBS01>shell:~# apt-get update-manager -d
13:41<TIBS01>E: Invalid operation update-manager
13:41<ml>dr|z3d: tru sorry
13:42<j-tizzle>TIBS01, did you run 'aptitude update' after editing /etc/apt/sources.list?
13:42<dastasio>¡que quieres coño
13:42<dr|z3d>TIBS01: Try aptitude install update-manager && update-manager -d
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13:42<djc>now he's swearing at us
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13:42<egns>beri güel fandango
13:42<dastasio>eres adivino
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13:42<j-tizzle>stuckey, see
13:42<TIBS01>mmmmmmmmm downloading now
13:42<erKURITA>what was the factoid to call the mods?
13:43<adama> ops
13:43<ranix>!ops dastasio is trolling
13:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ranix complains about: dastasio is trolling
13:43<erKURITA>Thanks ranix
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13:43<dastasio>pero que quieres decir
13:43<dr|z3d>!ops Spanish is overwhelming the channel.
13:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: Spanish is overwhelming the channel.
13:44-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
13:44-!-mode/#debian [+q dastasio!*@*] by weasel
13:44<@weasel>dr|z3d: one is certainly enough
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13:44<erKURITA>about time
13:44<j-tizzle>wow. that was easy.
13:44<dr|z3d>weasel: Lagged :/
13:44<clancy>but is it now possible to change the language of the qt4 apps like marble in lenny/kde3?
13:44<ml>weasel: thanks
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13:46<j-tizzle>does anyone know a workaround for the modules-init-tools bug in squeeze? after a recent upgrade lots and lots of hardware isn't working, leaving my system unusable (well, unusable except for this fine debian live cd...).
13:46<djc>I wonder.. how hard it would be to set up automatic translating IRC channels
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13:46<djc>For instance, one could setup a bot, that would create and maintain #debian-es.en
13:46<ranix>djc: automatic translation is difficult itself
13:47<djc>well, it would be better than copy pasting to google
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13:47<ranix>djc: you need several translators to translate the same sentence to even begin to understand reliably what the sentence means from machine translation
13:47<erKURITA>djc and the amount of traffic would be absurdly high to make it worth it
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13:48<djc>I was able to understand the translations of whatsisname was saying from google
13:48<ranix>you can do reasonably well most of the time
13:48<djc>well.. perhaps not an irc channel
13:48<adama>you could try and write a single-language auto-translating IRC client
13:48<ranix>you start getting nonsense from proper nouns
13:48<ranix>try to
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13:48<ranix>not and
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13:48<ranix>try to
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13:49<djc>again, the idea wouldnt be perfect translation. just 'best effort'. mainly, the idea would be to use something like google translate, but aboid the copy/pasting part
13:49<adama>try to write
13:49<jkoenig>whoops sorry.
13:49<ranix>adama: every time you say "try to" or correctly use apostrophes, you make the world a tiny bit better
13:49<dr|z3d>djc: I'm sure it's already deployed in some channels. Don't ask me where, though/.
13:50<adama>I'will try adn do taht
13:50<djc>lord its time for me to get to bed
13:51<ml>heh gn
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13:52<adama>anyways, my gdm will not start properly, it gets only a grey screen with the little watch cursor. Syslog is filling up with this:
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13:53<adama>just keeps repeating a pile of lines every one second or so
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13:53<adama>the messages are not very helpful, I don't know what it's failing to do
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13:54<dr|z3d>adama: Workaround.. aptitude install slim
13:55<dr|z3d>Can't get anything meaningful from those logs.
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13:56<j-tizzle>since i cannot access the net from my local debian install and i can by booting debian live cd, is it possible to determine which packages have been updated on my local install, download them to my drive to install after booting from the harddrive?
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13:56<j-tizzle>i'm not even sure how to google for the answer.
13:57<cahoot> look at the dpkg log?
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13:57<cahoot>or even aptitude.log
13:57<j-tizzle>that shows me what has been installed, but not what needs to be installed, right?
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13:59<cahoot>sorry I misunderstood your aim
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13:59<j-tizzle>i'm not even sure i do. :-)
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13:59<j-tizzle>i want to determine which packages need to be updated on a system than cannot access the internet.
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14:00<j-tizzle>then download the files and copy them to that machine to upgrade.
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14:00<j-tizzle>only, in this case the two machines are actually same. :-\
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14:03<Washi>hello people; I am using squeeze and I have installed ktorrent, but using KDE 3.5
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14:03<Washi>and ktorrent is the kde4 version
14:04<Washi>aptitude installed the kde4 runtime binaries
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14:05<Washi>as well as phonon and severeal other things , is it possible that kde4 is brought to testing
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14:07<dr|z3d>Washi: Probably, given time.
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14:07<Washi>if it is so, then I'd prefer to upgrade to kde4
14:08<Washi>there is no such info
14:08<Washi>that kde4 is already in testing
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14:08<dr|z3d>I'm surprised it's not.
14:08<Washi>well, the qt devs have said that
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14:09<dr|z3d>4.2 is reasonably polished, unlike 4.0.
14:09<Washi>once it is out of experimental
14:09<Washi>well yes
14:09<Washi>but why would they get the kde4 app without the desktop environment
14:09<dr|z3d>Why? Because apps need the libaries.
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14:10<Washi>ktorrent3.2 +kde3.5 is
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14:11<Washi>so first come the libraries, then the apps and very last the DE... weird
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14:11<Washi>and plastik+crystal+oxygen is... weird
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14:12<dr|z3d>Sure.. most folk prefer to stick to one toolkit.
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14:13<dr|z3d>Personally I've always found gtk more visually reliable.
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14:19<carlynne>Get psyBNC for w1nd0ze on
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14:19<iiv>dondelelcaro: hello
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14:25<iiv> - there is my DNS zone (exim problem)
14:26<@weasel>what an ugly zonefile
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14:29<iiv>@weasel: As said dondelelcaro Exim don't send mails because something wrong in it
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14:30<dondelelcaro>iiv: first off, there's no reason to reset ORIGIN; set it to home. from the start
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14:31<@weasel>stop mucking with $TTL too, it doesn't do you any good
14:31<@weasel>and don't point NS records to CNAME records, it's bad style
14:32<@weasel>and I doubt home. is yours, but that's another issue
14:32<iiv>dondelelcaro: this zone dynamicaly updated I didn't set any ORIGIN
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14:35<simonrvn>agreed, that is ugly
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14:36<iiv>Which lines should be replaced?
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14:42<dr|z3d>iiv: weasel's given you plenty to go on.
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14:42<dr|z3d>Address that, and perhaps then pastebin the modded zone file for further refinement.
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14:43<@weasel>not sure why any of that would affect exim stuff.
14:43<@weasel>unless you try to send from broken domains to the internet
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14:47<iiv>@weasel: mail only in local domain
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14:54<ike^>Theres a problem with the x11 squeeze/sid and the nvidia drivers with two screens, drag the pointer off one screen and it doesnt show up on the other, it is there, but not shown, and the pointer is stuck in corner of the other screen
14:55<ranix>ike^: that should be an nvidia problem more than a squeeze problem
14:55<ike^>yep, figures
14:55<ranix>ike^: you should try (I know it hurts) the official nvidia installer and see if the problem persists
14:55<ptr>Does anyone have any experience with the grsec-patched kernels at
14:56<ike^>they are always slacking behind
14:56<ranix>if it does, hit Nvidia
14:56<ranix>if it doesn't, bugreport the sid package I guess
14:56<ranix>I would check here for more info if that doesn't help
14:56<ike^>ranix, i always use the official nvidia installer
14:57<ranix>ike^: oh, the official installer is 100% unsupported here
14:57<ike^>just upgraded the works, kernel, system and drivers
14:57<ranix>check out backporting the nvidia-glx package stuff and using m-a to install the sid packages in squeeze
14:57<ranix>there's not a good one-liner or howto that I know of right now, you'll have to use your module-foo
14:57<ike^>that might have a problem with
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14:58<ranix>before you do that though, if you feel giving, you should send nvidia some sort of bug report
14:58<ike^>unless its using the nvidia 180.44 something i guess
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14:59<ike^>i could drop by their forums maybe
14:59<ranix>signal to noise ratio in the nvidia forums is dramatically approaching zero
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15:00<dpkg>hello, ranix
15:00<Ben90>i'm having problems compiling zsnes
15:00<ranix>!doesn't work
15:00<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
15:01*dr|z3d chuckles.
15:01*dr|z3d pats dpkg.
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15:01<ml>dpkg: lol
15:01<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
15:02<ranix>no, doesn't sound right
15:02<ike^>thats weird, now the mouse works
15:02<Ben90>tools/strutil.h:34: error: ‘strncasecmp’ was not declared in this scope
15:02<ranix>I prefer lol
15:02<dkr>I thought lol was a guy holding his hands up in a cheer
15:02<ike^>and now it doesnt
15:02<ike^>ah, if i move it down to a menu on the other screen i get a pointer
15:03<ml>dpkg: heh
15:03<dpkg>Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such.
15:03<ml>Ben90: fxiny just left
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15:04<Ben90>ok then ml i need your help compiling zsnes
15:04<Ben90>if thats ok with you.
15:04<ranix>apt-get update;apt-get install zsnes
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15:04<ml>Ben90: If I knew I would help ya, but I don't
15:04<Ben90>when i did that the sound in zsnes didn't work at all
15:05<Ben90>can someone else help me then?
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15:05<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>
15:05<ranix>sorry mis-factroid
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15:05<ranix>I'll /msg next time
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15:06<dr|z3d>Your lucky flush has just been broken, ranix. And you were doing so well! ;)
15:06<ranix>hmm factroid. I like that. A droid that answers questions
15:06<dpkg>Test Failed.
15:06<Supaplex>I wonder where I can stash discover to spew its detection on boot. this embedded appliance has serial console, and I'm booting fine, but the hardware watchdog is killing the box before I get to do much with it.
15:06<dpkg>hello, ranix
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15:07<ranix>Supaplex: you're going to have to reword that sentence for me to understand it I think
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15:08<Ben90>whoever can help me compile zsnes , go to the "#flood" Channel
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15:08<Supaplex>Let's start with, what do I call discover with to print usefull hardware information onscreen (I'm looking for hardware watchdog support).
15:09<Ben90>i would kindly appreciate it.
15:09<ml>Ben90: why flod and not here?
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15:09<Ben90>because you can paste there.
15:10<ranix>Supaplex: hardware watchdog as in watchdog timer?
15:10<ml>you can use pastebin
15:10<Ben90>i don't want to right now
15:10<Ben90>let's go
15:10<ranix>have fun, you kids
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15:11<ranix>we had sandboxes when I was a kid
15:11<ranix>you fancy kids and your pastebins
15:11<Supaplex>ranix: it's not a regular x86 machine. the native os that runs with the appliance manages a piece of hardware to prevent the box from rebooting automatically (unless it locks up).
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15:11<ranix>Supaplex: what are we talking here, arm, mips, what kind of OS
15:11<Ben90>join #flood
15:12<Supaplex>but I don't have access to their code, so I was hoping to detect what's under the hood. maybe its a chipset freebsd or linux supports.
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15:12<iiv>Is AO302 right at ?
15:12<Ben90>ml are you coming or what?
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15:12<ml>Ben90: If I knew I would help ya, but I don't
15:12<Supaplex>ranix: it's booting debian-kfreebsd-i386 just fine.
15:12<petemc>iiv: yes
15:13<Supaplex>we're talking a one minute uptime before the watchdog kills it. :P
15:13<ranix>so... it is a normal x86 machine
15:13<Ben90>does anyone here know how to compile zsnes if yes then go to "#flood"
15:13<Supaplex>sort of
15:13<simonrvn>Ben90: don't demand
15:13<ranix>Supaplex: when does it reset
15:13<iiv>Well but in my zone file not so?
15:13<Ben90>i'm not.
15:14<petemc>iiv: bind doesnt complain, no
15:14<ranix>Supaplex: every ~1 minute, guaranteed?
15:14<ml>Ben90: I suggested to use pastebin, because you are more likely to get help here
15:14<Ben90>ok supaplex lets go to channel #flood then.
15:14<Supaplex>Ben90: you're far too persistant to decern otherwise... you've been at this for days asking every 2 minutes
15:14<Ben90>o rly?
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15:14<ranix>ja rly
15:14<dpkg>from memory, rly is a stupid abbreviation for 'really'. Please spell it out instead. See also 'u'.
15:15<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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15:16<erKURITA>stop spamming the bot, please :/
15:17<nadie>hi! anyone on SID (64) having trouble mounting drives on gnome? i think it can be something related to dbus/hal
15:17<Ben90>if anyone can tell me whats going wrong then feel free to tell me
15:17<dkr>erKURITA: 2 lines 3 minutes ago is spam in your world? I wish I could be so particular
15:17<erKURITA>I'm lagging :(
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15:17<erKURITA>nadie it's on squeeze aswell
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15:18<nadie>so it's on testing too?
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15:19<erKURITA>and if you mean troubles by gnome-volume-manager not auto-mounting drives, then yeah
15:19<Supaplex>does discover(8) merely reformat input, or does it enumerate hardware present?
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15:19<iiv>In where exim conf file allow_mx_to_ip option could be added?
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15:19<nadie>erkurita: yes, it doesn't mount usb drives (for example) i have to mount em on console
15:20<Ben90>anyone who can help me can fell free to pm me
15:20<erKURITA>then yeah, it's on testing too
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15:21<erKURITA>I was puzzled when it didn't throw me the "You cannot mount this partition!" message when I loaded my encrypted partition
15:21<ranix>Ben90: read the messages from people who have had the same problem and fixed it
15:21<nadie>ok. I thougth i had broken something on an update or something. let's wait developers fix it so
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15:21<ranix>Ben90: make sure you are using the same versions of the things they were when they fixed it
15:21<ranix>Ben90: or higher
15:21<Supaplex>wrong tty. :)
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15:26<Ben90>now how do i run the files?
15:26<Supaplex>!tell Ben90 -about grounding
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15:29<Ben90>ok i got the files "zsnes-1.510-2--1.510-2.1-1.patch" and "gcc-4.3-ftbfs.dpatch" what do i do with them now?
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15:32<tim_ora>so my string check for a needle in a haystack isn't work =[
15:32<tim_ora>pastie to follow
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15:34<tim_ora> that code displays "show other stuff"
15:34<Supaplex>!lart qemu for holding my cursor hostage after it crashes
15:34*dpkg chops qemu in half with a free AOL CD for holding my cursor hostage after it crashes
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15:35<ranix>it's not qemu, Supaplex
15:35<ranix>it's SDL
15:36<ranix>failed to deploy parachute
15:36<Supaplex>!lart SDL $*$($%*()@$%(
15:36*dpkg --purges SDL $*$($%*()@$%(
15:36<ranix>Supaplex: you can fix it by re-opening another sdl app
15:36<ranix>and gracefully exiting
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15:37<tim_ora>any ideas about my .include prob?
15:37<ranix>I should make a little sdlfix stub program that does a fullscreen grab, mouse grab, ungrab both, SDL_Quit
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15:37<Supaplex>yeah, that'd be sweet :)
15:38<tim_ora>definitely in the wrong channel >.>
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15:38<tim_ora>how tf did i get here (O_o)?
15:38<ranix>tim_ora: where do you belong
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15:38<Supaplex>tim_ora: it all started one day with a /join
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15:40<tim_ora>ranix, the #rubyonrails channel >.>
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15:40<tim_ora>Supaplex, lol actualy i clicked xchat > network list > connect , without observing which channel was selected >>>
15:40<tim_ora>ew. *>.>
15:41<Supaplex>nice :)
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15:42*Supaplex backports lenny's qemu to etch (yes, I'm still going to dist-upgrade ... eventually)
15:42<teratoma>dpkg i hate your nick
15:42<dpkg>teratoma: wish i knew
15:42<teratoma>you have failed my turing test
15:42<Supaplex>dpkg: kiss teratoma
15:42*dpkg smooches teratoma on the forehead
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15:44<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:44<dr|z3d>That was a pre-emptive public announcement.
15:45<ranix>watts = V*A
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15:48<ml>Supaplex: lol
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15:52*Supaplex cheers dpkg-buildpackage on
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15:52<Supaplex>script -c dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot ../
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15:52<ml>heh, gl
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15:53<Supaplex>disabling libbrlapi was pretty easy.
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15:53<Supaplex>easier than rolling a backport for it :)
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15:56<Supaplex>ahh crap. I'm barely using one cpu core. oh well. :-d
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16:01<Student>i want to install Debian on my Laptop
16:02<Student>but i failed to do so
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16:02<Student>first of all i am not really sure how to accomplish it
16:03<Student>so can any1 be helpful about the said subject please?
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16:03<iron>just a question
16:04<dkr>Student: that was very vague, which instructions are you following?
16:04<iron>is it possible to set debian boottrap in an step by step mode to fix btw see failure-messages ?
16:04<Student>dkr actually i cannot use CD Rom Install method as i don't have cd rom in my LapTop
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16:05<Student>dkr i don't know if i can copy the image of DEbian Installation on the Hard Disk and try to SETUP debian from there
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16:06<dkr>Student: the installation manual covers this:
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16:06<marctw>I wonder if this affects not just Ubuntu...I imagine so?
16:06<Supaplex>Student: what else is installed right now? can it boot from usb?
16:07<erKURITA>marctw uhm, we're on #debian, you know, right ?
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16:07<marctw>does this udev thing affacts debian too?
16:07<marctw>I use debian
16:07<Supaplex>check bts
16:07<marctw>and I want to know if im vulnerable or not
16:07<erKURITA>It's not listed there
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16:08<marctw>I have an OLD debian UML 2.4.x kernel and it seems to run udev
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16:09<marctw>its not listed?
16:09<marctw>debian has udev
16:09<marctw>so it must be affected
16:09<erKURITA>it doesn't have to
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16:10<marctw><unop> wamty, it seems to affect version 0.124 (might affect older versions too) ..
16:10<erKURITA>the fact that Ubuntu derives from Debian doesn't mean every bug Ubuntu has affects Debian
16:10<marctw>thats from freenode #debian
16:10<dkr>it affects .124, debian stable is .125
16:10<marctw>I have an OLD debian UML 2.4.x kernel
16:10<marctw>am I affected in this case?
16:10<Student>Booting the installation system directly from a hard disk is another option for many architectures. This will require some other operating system to load the installer onto the hard disk<-- dkr how to load the installer onto the hard disk?
16:11<Supaplex>marctw: find the proof of concept code and test it
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16:11<erKURITA>marctw udevinfo --version
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16:12<Supaplex>wow. this meatloaf is pretty good. </drooling>
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16:12<Supaplex>the matrix is spoiling me
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16:14<iron>anybody read my question ?
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16:15<dkr>iron: yes. and I asked dpkg what bottrap was. then I realized you mean tbootstrap, but still don't know what you ar asking. you want o modify grub? or are you talking about the init scripts for the system?
16:15<dkr><Supaplex> Student: what else is installed right now? can it boot from usb?
16:16<iron>dkr: talked about init script
16:16<bremner>iron: you mean the program debootstrap? or the debian installer
16:16<bremner>oh, neigher
16:16<bremner>neither, even
16:16<dkr>Student: and did you check the laptop compatibiltiy list as per the installation docs instructions?
16:16<iron>nop since freeze i got some failure-messages
16:16<dkr>iron: well, all o fthose messages are also sent to log files. or you could use scroll lock to freeze the screen during init
16:16<iron>while im booting debian
16:17<dkr>but I don't know of any step by step mode. maybe a shell option?
16:17<iron>dkr: nope my screen doesnt freeze
16:17<dkr>iron: no, I meant you could freeze it to be able to erad what is going on if it scrolls by too fast
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16:18<dkr>^S to stop ^Q to quontinue
16:18<iron>dkr: ok fine
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16:19<iron>dkr: who can i make this working ?
16:19<dkr>or look at /var/log/messages
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16:19<dkr>iron: you haven't told us any error messages, so we have no idea what is wrong
16:20<nextime>Hello all. I need to cross-compile some things for a mips machine. if i try to install gcc-4.3-mips-linux-gnu it say that binutils-mips-linux-gnu isn't installable. I found that now ther's something called binutils-multiarch that (i think) sobstitute the various binutils-$ARCH-linux-gnu. Is that correct? Where is the equivalente gcc package?
16:20<iron>dkr: k mom
16:20<Supaplex>!don't work
16:20<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
16:20<iron>dkr: e.g. gdm[3324] DEBUG: Loading display for key '0'
16:21<Supaplex>nextime: humm it's been a few eons since I played with that.
16:21<Supaplex>I know I've had that issue before, but I don't recall if/how I solved it.
16:22<iron><dkr> iron: no, I meant you could freeze it to be able to erad what is going on if it scrolls by too fast
16:23<magyar_>hi, what the difference between the two versions of lenny 2.6.26 kernel?
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16:24<iron>dkr: who can i enable this ?
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16:24<iron>dkr: where can i enable this ?
16:25<Supaplex>yay. supaplex@li:/usr/local/src/qemu-backport/qemu-0.9.1$ qemu -help | head
16:25<Supaplex>QEMU PC emulator version 0.9.1, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard
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16:25<dkr>iron: press control-s to stop the screen from scrolling. press control-q to continue scrolling
16:25<thanhvu>is there a way to show which of my installed packages are not official (e.g., from 3rd parties like backports) ?
16:26<dkr>iron: you may also want to try (auf, oder
16:27<Supaplex>thanhvu: apt-cache policy, perhaps
16:28<iron>dkr: sec i will join
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16:36<Joey_>W: GPG error: lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <>
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16:44<Antiochus>sorry can you help me?
16:45<amphi>!tell Antiochus -about ask
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16:46<Antiochus>we have just installed new operating system- linux
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16:46<Antiochus>when i watch a video i cant hear the sound
16:46<Antiochus>what's the matter?
16:46<dpkg>sound is probably ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>.
16:47<amphi>Antiochus: can you hear sound at all?
16:47<Antiochus>amphi: yes
16:48<amphi>Antiochus: is your video play using the correct driver (alsa I would think) ?
16:48<Antiochus>i can listen to the music
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16:48<Antiochus>what is the correct driver?
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16:50<dkr>Antiochus: run alsaconf
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16:50<amphi>Antiochus: if you use mplayer, try mplayer -ao alsa some_video_file
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16:52<Antiochus>didnt get... i ran mplayer, then...?
16:52<amphi>dkr: he says sound is working,
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16:53<amphi>Antiochus: mplayer -ao alsa some_file
16:53<amphi>Antiochus: where some_file is a video file; type that command in a term
16:54<dkr>amphi: I admit to just seeing "when i watch a video i cant hear the sound" and skipping the rest. :)
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17:01<Antiochus>i don't understand "-ao alsa"
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17:03*action09 oy
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17:03<Antiochus>hello out there
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17:08<Antiochus>esteghranq hay ka?
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17:09<DarkBar>is there a way to enablr button highligting in toshiba a300?
17:09<DarkBar>i looked on google but found nothing
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17:11<dubstar>how do I change servers on Xchat?
17:12<DarkBar>./server ./connect ?
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17:12<adama>I was getting some "undefined symbol" errors in gdmgreeter. I deleted glib-2.0 and libg* from /usr/local/lib/ because they appeared old, and had newer ones in /usr/lib. NOW I get past the gdmgreeter, but it just loads my desktop background and won't do anything else. I have to go back to tty2 and manually start nautilus, metacity, gnome-panel, which work OK
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17:23<Antiochus>amphi: how shall i write the directory? home/.../some_file?
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17:29<DarkBar>i looked on google but found nothing
17:29<DarkBar>is there a way to enablr button highligting in toshiba a300?
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17:30<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the Xfce archive manager.
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17:59<Nazcafan>I am trying to get an old version of libv4l-0 on the debian snapshot website, but I can not find it there ...
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18:02<tyl3r>hello. Does anyone have experience with Lenny 5.01 on a Dell Studio XPS 16 ?
18:02<tyl3r>just in general...
18:03<tyl3r>about to reinstall here
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19:01<mxldr>hey- what is the irc room for the R project?
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19:02<azeem>mxldr: why do you ask here?
19:02<azeem>check the R homepage if that exists, maybe
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19:05<dpkg>R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r", or
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19:32<gravity>There is oneon freenode
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19:33<gravity>#R on freenode
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20:09<dpkg><Atula> I was wondering if someone can tell me how to write the fstab for the tape drive
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20:11<psychic>is this ubuntu help?
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20:14<bremner>hmm, was he trolling us?
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20:17<EagleScreen>i have a graphics warning
20:17<EagleScreen>$ glxgears
20:17<EagleScreen>do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly.
20:17<EagleScreen>Try adjusting the vblank_mode configuration parameter.
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20:19<twb>Is bash-completion being maintained by Debian now?
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20:20<bremner>twb: technically, maintained by people who also maintain debian
20:20<bremner>(alioth does not mandate debian only AFAIK)
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20:25<twb>bremner: nod
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20:46<Guest597>Hi every body... Im French and I need Help
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20:48<twb>"Apply for German citizenship?" ;-)
20:48<j-tizzle> heh
20:48<j-tizzle>wrong, group.
20:49<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
20:50*bremner wonders where to go for help on French
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20:50<twb>bremner: to learn the language?
20:51<twb>There's an IRC server for language study... I'm trying to remember its name
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20:52<bremner>was really just puzzling on how mysterious English prepositions are. Help in French could be many things. /me stows offtopic chatter.
20:52<kamaraju>flash applications in facebook are hanging on Debian 5.0. Anyone know how to solve the problem?
20:52<twb>kamaraju: which Flash client are you using?
20:53<kamaraju>How do I figure it out?
20:53<twb>flashplugin-nonfree is the naughty Adobe one.
20:53<kamaraju>For example, when I try to play texas holdem it hangs at "loading 20 of 20"
20:54<kamaraju>There is no flashplugin-nonfree in my list of packages in synaptic. There is flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound. But it is not installed.
20:55<twb>kamaraju: ah, the other ones are gnash and swfdec
20:56<chealer>kamaraju: are the browsers using swfdec?
20:56<kamaraju>They are also not installed.
20:56<twb>kamaraju: then I don't know how you can have flash support at all
20:56<twb>kamaraju: hmm, perhaps you installed it naughtily, using some kind of embedded "download plugin" thing
20:57<twb>I notice that Firefox pops that up sometimes
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21:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:04<octoserver>how can i mount a vcd in the cdrom drive?
21:04<twb>octoserver: you can only mount filesystems.
21:04<twb>octoserver: IIRC a VCD is just a data stream
21:05<twb>Like CDDA (audio CDs) are just audio tracks, no filesystem per se.
21:05<octoserver>actually i think they are files on the cd, is there a way to just mount it and look at them ?
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21:07<octoserver>i got it
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21:09<chealer>kamaraju: depends on the Flash player the browser uses
21:09<kamaraju>How do I find out what flash player the browser is using?
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21:21<twb>chealer: note that he doesn't appear to have any flash clients installed via apt
21:22<chealer>twb: yeah. it may well be Adobe
21:22<chealer>kamaraju: is that your own PC?
21:22<chealer>kamaraju: it depends on the browser
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21:22<twb>chealer: I suspect he has clicked "download and install shit in ~/.mozilla" from within ff
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21:22<twb>But I don't run ff, so I don't know how to test that
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21:31<octoserver>weird, i can play a vcd like this mplayer vcd://7 , but mplayer nor gxine nor kaffeine can play my vcd disk anyone know why ?
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21:33<Txt_file1>has someone confixx at lenny running?
21:34<Txt_file1>or plesk or such stuff
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21:38<hdon>hi all, anyone have advice for configuring mice under fb?
21:38<twb>hdon: install gpm?
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21:40<hdon>twb: thanks, i'll look at that package's documentation ;)
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21:40<twb>hdon: it should Just Work once you install it
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21:43<hdon>twb: thanks for the help, it probably will ;)
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21:47<Juninho>Quem é vc ?
21:48<Juninho>hehehe naum vai responde ?
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21:50<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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22:06<John2583>Lemonzest, hi
22:07<John2583>her, Lenhix hi
22:07<John2583>er, even.
22:07<Lenhix>I have a text file with a list of users. There are some duplicated lines. How can I delete the duplicate lines?
22:07<Lenhix>grep? sort? cut?
22:07<John2583>sed awk?
22:07<Lenhix>Oh man, I really hope there's an easier way
22:08<gsimmons>Lenhix: man uniq
22:08<Lenhix>thx gsimmons
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22:09<Lenhix>Excellent, that's exactly what I was looking for.
22:09<Lenhix>Thank you very much gsimmons
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22:11<yury>why must debian break my laptop every few days? I can probably set my clock to it.
22:12<Lenhix>How is Debian breaking your laptop?
22:12<yury>I searched through the bugs, but I have not found this one. Maybe I missed it. Is anyone else having white block inside their window decorator? specifically, to the right of the icon, to the right of the minimize button, and to the right of the close button.
22:13<yury>intel video card X3100
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22:14<gravity>Because unstable is unstable?
22:14*gravity wonders what people expect when running sid
22:15<Lenhix>yury, which version of Debian are you using?
22:16<yury>these bugs get through to testing just as readily
22:16<gravity>erm, X hasn't changed in squeeze significantly since it was created
22:16<yury>I think I just pulled in an update
22:16*Lenhix always uses stable releases
22:16*yury always uses stable releases for servers
22:16<gravity>yury: What does X -version say?
22:17<gravity>Just the first line
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22:17<yury>I doubt it is X, it has not changed in a while
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22:17<Lenhix>Maybe the window manager?
22:17<gravity>Ok, then compiz broke. That's because compiz is kinda shit.
22:17<yury>kinda what I said
22:18<yury>I might roll it back
22:18<gravity>I blame compiz more than Debian on that score
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22:18<gravity>For X in unstable... yeah, that was sorta a Debian thing
22:18<yury>I blame uploader for not checking
22:18<gravity>"not checking" what exactly? He ran it and it works for a lot of people.
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22:18<gravity>I know he put a lot of work in to that upload
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22:19*yury looks at the changelog
22:19<amphi>yury: just use xmonad, and be at peace ;)
22:19<Lenhix>Uhm, yury... why don't you install a stable version of Debian and stable versions of every package and check if your laptop still breaks ;)
22:20<yury>odd... change is as of March 9th
22:20<gravity>Although the version in unstable had a lot more work done on it
22:20<yury>I could swear I updated recently
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22:21<yury>Lenhix: Because I don't want to? Because I would need to manually compile every package over again to get features?
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22:21<twb>features = bugs
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22:21<twb>You can't have only the former.
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22:24<yury>ah, no entry in the changelog
22:24<Lenhix>yury: well, I prefer to lose some "features" instead of having any of my machines "breaking every few days"
22:24<yury>april 11th update
22:25<yury>Lenhix: sometimes these features are important
22:25<yury>like say... the difference between playing a file, and oh... not playing a file?
22:25<yury>how does that sound?
22:25<yury>anyway, I compile my own mplayer for that reason
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22:27<Lenhix>I haven't had that kind of problems. I use very popular formats that stable versions can play
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22:30<yury>I think I will open a bug
22:30<yury>oh wait, no one actually reads those
22:31<yury>not for the first 30 days anyway
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22:36<Lenhix>I thought I wouldnt't see inviters in this network. walt showed me wrong.
22:37<pigah>hi, i'm using sid and recently I noticed that my Alt keys no longer work. xev shows them to be ISO_Level3_Shift. Is there an easy way to change them back?
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22:58<Silicium01>Could someone recommend a project management software for linux? Web interface or sync option is a plus
22:58<Lenhix>Like a repository?
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23:00<Silicium01>no, not version controll, more like a "task manager" with timeline
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23:09<yury>upgrading compiz to sid fixed my issue
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23:16<alemani>Silicium01: I can recommend projectpier or collabtive
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23:18<Silicium01>alemani, I actually need a much simpler thing. A simple todo list viewer with visual timeline
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23:25<alemani>Silicium01: mmm if you find that kind of thing please let me know...
23:25<Silicium01>alemani, ok
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23:38<dpkg>hello, davius
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23:41<davius>Hey. Is there an IDE for gcc in gnome?
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23:42<gravity>davius: anjuta
23:42<davius>gravity thanx
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23:47<davius>how do i search for multiple keywords in aptitude?
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23:57<alemani>davius: have you tried aptitude search keyword1 keyword2...keywordN ?
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