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---Logopened Thu Apr 16 00:00:05 2009
00:00<chahibi>I am running unstable, and since a recent apt-get upgrade I have become unable to install some gnome applications
00:00<chahibi> tomboy: Depends: libgconf2.0-cil (>= 2.20.0) but it is not going to be installed
00:01<chahibi>Is it a general bug?
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00:02<avu>chahibi, sounds like normal migration-stuff? have you checked the BTS and/or the PTS?
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00:04<avu>chahibi, sounds like tomboy just needs an update for the new library?
00:05<avu>chahibi, have you checked if there is a new upstream version? or tried just to change to dependencies?
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00:08<Out_Cold>other than /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart what else configures my sound??
00:08<Out_Cold>i set up skype and it worked until i made a call, and no i have no sound..
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00:10<chahibi>avu: I will try to install an older version of it
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00:11<avu>chahibi, erm, what? that's not at all what I suggested.
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00:11<avu>chahibi, if anything, installing an older version of the library in question would temporarily "fix" the problem, but I wouldn't suggest that either
00:11<avu>chahibi, just fix the tomboy package to build with the newer version of the library
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00:12<chahibi>avu: my biggest concern is to recover some important notes :)
00:13<avu>chahibi, doesn't tomboy even save those in plaintext?
00:13<avu>chahibi, anyway, just refreshen your backup before you try anything and you're safe
00:13<alemani>chahibi: my guess is that if you backup .tomboy dir and restore it later you will keep your notes
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00:14<avu>he does a backup anyway. he uses sid after all. ;-P
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00:14<davius>how do i search for multiple keywords in description of aptitude?
00:14<chahibi>avu: well, they are safe in plain text. I thought they would be under .gnome2, but they lie in .tomboy
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00:14<chahibi>avu: thanks for your assistance
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00:15<avu>davius, the aptitude manual has several examples of how to combine words using different boolean operators
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00:18<avu>davius, to give you another one, in case the manual isn't clear enough, to select packages that have a name containing the word 'python' AND a description containing the word 'xml', you would use ?and(python,~dxml)
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00:19<avu>davius, one thing at least older versions of the manual got wrong was the default boolean operator. they said it was AND when it's in fact OR
00:19<davius>can you give me an example to search for gcc and ide together?
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00:19<davius>using apt-cache search
00:20<avu>davius, you were talking about aptitude, not apt-cache
00:20<avu>those use different syntaxes for search
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00:21<avu>well, I've just shown you how to use AND and I've pointed you to the manual, I think by now it's really easy for you to answer your question yourself
00:21<davius>okay, how do i do it with aptitude? I guess the same syntax applies to apt-cache.
00:21<avu>no it doesn't.
00:22<davius>I'm new to linux. I'll give it another shot. thnx.
00:22<avu>as I said, aptitude and apt-cache use different syntaxes. aptitude can do a lot more.
00:22<davius>i'll try that.
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00:26<davius>where do i find the "aptitude reference guide"?
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00:27<ancurit>how i can open port 8080 in iptables ??
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00:28<ancurit>please help me
00:28<avu>ancurit, if your policy is ACCEPT, just delete the rule that blocks it
00:29<ancurit>avu, im, newbie
00:29<avu>ancurit, then don't configure iptables, ask your admin
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00:34<ancurit>my oracle-xe not connected after install firestarter, help me ..
00:34<Squideshi>Am I correct in understanding that none of the Debian CDs are "live" CDs?
00:34<ancurit>firestarter block port 8080
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00:36<twb>Squideshi: none of the Debian *install* CD are live CDs.
00:37<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. #debian-live on OFTC (
00:38<Squideshi>twb: OK, so it's not like Ubuntu in that regard.
00:38<twb>Squideshi: it's not like Ubuntu's desktop install CDs, correct.
00:38<twb>The Ubuntu "alternate" and "server" install CDs use the same infrastructure as Debian.
00:38<mtc>twb: would the debian "small" install cd be considered a livecd?
00:38<Squideshi>What's the advantage to doing it this way (i.e. non-live?)
00:38<twb>mtc: I don't know what you mean by "small".
00:39<twb>mtc: are you referring to the netinst and bbc images?
00:39<mtc>twb: I thought there was one entitled "small" - hold on - will get a link
00:39<twb>Squideshi: it's simpler and smaller.
00:39<mtc>twb: right "netinst"
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00:40<twb>Squideshi: IMO d-i is still a lot more mature than Ubiquity, which is the live-cd-based installer.
00:40<mtc>twb: I guess a "livecd" needs to be able to boot to a desktop - suppose I misspoke recently
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00:40<twb>You can also use d-i to install Debian on hardware that has no screen, no keyboard, no network, no CD, and no hard disk.
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00:41<twb>I guess that would be "flexibility".
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00:41<twb>mtc: right, a Live CD is generally considered to be a "full featured" environment, whereas what you get on vt2 of the install CDs is pretty crippled.
00:42<twb>mtc: though you can have live CDs that do not start X.
00:42<mtc>twb: Bah! The future is bootable memory drives.
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00:44<twb>mtc: do you mean iRAM or SSDs?
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00:44<mtc>twb: Those $8 memory drives (aka "memory sticks") that boot through the USB 2.0 port.
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00:45<mtc>There is more than enough space on those to load a linux distribution, applications, and user data.
00:45<mtc>They will quickly out-mode the linux livecd.
00:45<twb>Some of my servers do that already.
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00:46<twb>Note that the Debian Live project targets live USB keys just as much as CDs
00:46<mtc>They are a Windows "killer" -- why worry about your user data on your hard drive, when you can carry your OS and data with you in your pocket.
00:46<twb>mtc: because that disk is a SPOF
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00:47<twb>Not that I think GNU/Linux needs to compete with obsolete systems like Windows.
00:47<lskfjlsdk>so i need like 3 small packages to get a program to install but they are all in sid and i'm running lenny. if i download the packages individually from can i install them manually or will this cause big problems?
00:47<Squideshi>twb: You mentioned that d-i is more "mature" than Ubiquity. Is there some critera, baseline, or other guideline that is used in order to determine if a package is stable/mature enough to go into Debian?
00:47<mtc>I mean to say, people worry about other people "using their computer", not because of the hardware breaking, but because of the access to the software
00:47<twb>lskfjlsdk: that depends on the packages.
00:47<twb>Squideshi: that would be the Debian Policy manual.
00:48<lskfjlsdk>twb: libaudio-musepack-perl, libaudio-wma-perl
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00:48<twb>Squideshi: basically anything that meets legal and moral requirements can be included in Debian if someone wants to add it.
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00:48<twb>Squideshi: if you would like Ubiquity to be integrated into Debian, you can file a "Request For Package" bug using the reportbug package.
00:50<Squideshi>twb: Isn't there some sort of process to determine which requests get implemented and which don't? I can imagine that some people might request some pretty crazy things.
00:50<Squideshi>twb: Also the Policy Manual?
00:50<twb>Squideshi: basically it is governed by developer interest
00:50<twb>Squideshi: if nobody wants to integrate something, it won't be integrated.
00:51<twb>So RFPs generally get ignored until someone files an ITP (intent to package). Then the developer might contact you and ask you to help out, e.g. with testing or funding.
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00:52<Squideshi>twb: Developers can't just integrate anything they want, can they?
00:53<twb>Squideshi: they pretty much can. This is mostly OK because you cannot become a DD without a very stringent acceptance process.
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00:53<twb>Squideshi: also, packages that have important bugs do not propagate, and the archive masters scrutinize new packages very carefully.
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00:58<mafiltenborg>How do i *unconditionally* purge a package that has somehow become 'half-installed' (according to dselect)?
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01:09<dondelelcaro>mafiltenborg: if you can purge it, you purge it. Otherwise, you fix whatever the problem is, and then purge it.
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01:16<mafiltenborg>dpkg --force-all -P dirmngr -> invoke-rc.d: initscript dirmngr, action "stop" failed. Same for subsequent "start" -> error condition remains.
01:16<dpkg>mafiltenborg: You are moron #1
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01:16<jm_>just edit its init script
01:17<dondelelcaro>mafiltenborg: edit /etc/init.d/dirmngr, add an exit 0 under the shebang line
01:17<mafiltenborg>Gladly. Only; where do i find the initscript?
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01:25<twb>jm_: personally I'd just create a policy-rc.d or edit the .prerm
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01:25<twb>Though that is not for the faint-hearted
01:25<jm_>twb: yes but it's easier to tell them to edit the init script if they don't even know where that is
01:28<mafiltenborg>Cool :) Worked! I'm trying to recover from a f*ckup, accidentally executed during maintenance update.
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01:37<lethias>anybody know why the original xmms was removed from the repository's?
01:37<gsimmons>!tell lethias -about xmms
01:39<brian|lfs>didn't most distro get rid of xmms?
01:40<lethias>I don't care much for xmms2, I liked xmms for its nostalgic feel to winamp.
01:41<twb>lethias: there are some xmms1 forks
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01:41<jm_>xmms2 is just insane
01:41<twb>FSVO insane = overkill
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01:41<twb>Having said that, the lack of speex support in mpd is annoying
01:41<lethias>xmms2 seems like more of a music server or service.
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01:42<Torsten_W>lethias: try qmmp, fo me, it's the best winamp-classic clone
01:42<twb>xmms2 uses a client-server architecture -- that means that you can run it without installing X.
01:42<twb>Unlike mpd, it's wire protocol is very complex and has lots of nice features, and the server side supports plugins
01:44<lethias>oh well, ha ha , wish I knew how to program, I'd make a winamp looking player again.
01:44<jm_>audacious is not very far from that
01:45<twb>lethias: install audacious?
01:45<lethias>Its not bad, and I'll agree, its very close to it.
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01:47<lethias>I must say though, I am very impressed with the way everything is working together so well in Lenny. Seems so smoothed out, and polished.
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01:48<lethias>I've only hit few bumps here and there but mostly due to me running 64bit version.
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01:49<twb>You should still report then
01:49<lethias>Its just the 32bit to 64bit incompatiblities.
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01:52<twb>Those damn decstations, huh?
01:53<lethias>lol yea
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01:54<lethias>I've been going through the add/remove programs listing, i'll come across one that looks interesting but its for 32bit, I'm usually like, well crap, so much for me and my 64bit. lol
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02:13<twb>lethias: it shouldn't offer to install programs that are not available on your architecture
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02:19<wenlong_>How are you!
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02:28<Supaplex>stupid grub serial console grr. humm.....
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02:39<deavid>hey, I want to configure my debian system in a way wich automagically creates a symlink in /dev/ when a specific drive is plugged in.
02:39<deavid>I hqave done this before, but i can't remember
02:40<deavid>can anyone give me a point about this? I need to find the related documentation, but no idea about how to search this
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02:41<deavid>petern: yes :-) it was udev.... thanks, i'll take a look now
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02:43<Supaplex>yippie. grub serial console is a go!
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02:47<jm_>deavid: writing udev rules document
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02:49<maxb>window level all
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02:57<Necrun>does anyone know how to know the name of a dvd (iso name) from a terminal?
02:57<Supaplex>file -k foo.iso
02:58<Supaplex>or file -sk /dev/sr0
02:59<Necrun>k thx man :)
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03:12<jm_>Necrun: isoinfo can also print it (together with lots more info)
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03:16<Necrun>ohh thx :)
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03:30<lethias>Is there a way to see an output of errors put out by metacity?
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03:32<jm_>lethias: they typically go to ~/.xsession-errors
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03:34<lethias>jm_: the reason I ask, I have metacity's compositing manager turned on. I reinstalled metacity, had no problems for a while, then the gnome panels and avant window navigator have went invisible. They are still there and accessible but you can't see them on teh desktop.
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03:41<petern>deb, you should try stating your problem, rather than just posting a pastebin link.
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03:43<Supaplex>my ip6 must be broken... again. :-6
03:44<Supaplex>oh. isn't ip6?
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03:47<lethias>hmm, would a missing theme engine giving errors and warnings cause metacity compositing manager make items go invisible?
03:50<deb>penpen: i've only apt-get update and upgrade i've testing
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03:58<firefox>alsa installed, alsamixer shows master & PCM almost all the way up. alsaconf found the soundcard ... still no sound?
03:59<cahoot>firefox: unmuted too?
03:59<cahoot>firefox: i e 00 not MM
04:00<firefox>cahoot: ty for the quick reply. checking again, I think it was 00
04:01<firefox>cahoot: yeah all 00
04:01<cahoot>firefox: don't happen to have more than one sonddevice - cat /proc/asound/cards
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04:02<jm_>or some crap in .asoundrc
04:02<cahoot>yes that's a classic
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04:05<firefox>cahoot: nah its a lppy with just the basics.. I actualy think I founf it... did a reinstall of the tbp. it a think pad.. after that pressing mute made it work.
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04:05<firefox>ugh... horrid spelling... need tea
04:06<cahoot>firefox: well sometimes connected usb sound device messes up th
04:06<cahoot>the numbering of alsa devices
04:07<firefox>cahoot: I do have a logitech camera. would the mic on it affect things like that? lol. I think it was just the hardware acting funny cause the tbp package.
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04:07<cahoot>that's seens as a sounddevice by alsa
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04:08<firefox>cahoot: its up and running now. thats good to know for my next box though. lol filling it with a bunch of audio stuff
04:08<cahoot>firefox: you probably want to make sure the onboard persistently is seen as the defualt device i e card0 from alsas pow
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04:09<firefox>cahoot: kk ty.
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04:10<firefox>cahoot: where is that at? I'm only a journeymen at this stuff haha
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04:12<m2rt>Hey, I am using HP Pavilion notebook with latest debian. how can I get the wifi to work? I put iwlwifi file into /lib/firmware but how can I make it working?
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04:12<jm_>m2rt: go to debian wifi wiki page and read notes for your card
04:12<cahoot>firefox: one edits /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base - gives index 0 to the module that should be default: see 3.15 here
04:12<m2rt>thanks jm_ , I shall try.
04:13<firefox>cahoot: nice haha. I love getting reading material, I will mark that and read it when I am less tired. for right now.. I have my mods,xm, and mids playing again... bliss
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04:22<Antiochus>hello! i cant hear the sound of the videos
04:22<Antiochus>can you help me?
04:23<Supaplex>Antiochus: I'm unmotiviated at present, so it's doubtful.
04:24<Antiochus>what is doubtful?
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04:25<Supaplex>full of doubt
04:25<EmleyMoor>Antiochus: What format are these wideos in?
04:25<Antiochus>i mean what is full of doubt?
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04:26<Antiochus>vob 3gp i think all the formats
04:26<EmleyMoor>Antiochus: Can yau play audio files?
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04:28<EmleyMoor>Antiochus: Sounds like you may be missing some codecs then... what architecture is your system?
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04:29<Antiochus>i don't know
04:29<Antiochus>i have just started using linux
04:29<EmleyMoor>Is it i386, amd64, alpha, sparc...
04:29<hellth>Antiochus: uname -a
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04:30<Antiochus>where can i check it from?
04:30<EmleyMoor>Antiochus: Do uname -a
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04:30<EmleyMoor>At a shell prompt
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04:32<Supaplex>it's all about the pentiums baby
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04:32<EmleyMoor>OK - if I were you I'd add the multimedia to your sources and try installing w32codecs.
04:32<EmleyMoor>!tell Antiochus about dmm
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04:38<Antiochus>shall i download w32codecs?
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04:38<EmleyMoor>Antiochus: Add the repository and install it using aptitude
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04:42<Antiochus>what is aptitude what is repository...?
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04:44<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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04:44<twb>IME w32codecs has been unnecessary for years.
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04:46<EmleyMoor>twb: w32codecs or w64codecs has IME been highly necessary
04:46<twb>EmleyMoor: have you actually tried to use mplayer without it recently (like, in the last two years)?
04:46<EmleyMoor>twb: Yes
04:46<twb>For me, it can decode even stupid stuff like .ra without w32codecs
04:47<llutz>ffmpeg should do the job in most cases
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04:47<EmleyMoor>twb: It is getting less necessary, I agree
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04:47<twb>Yeah, obviously nothing MPEGgy or Oggy will need w32codecs
04:47<twb>EmleyMoor: what's something that DOES still require it?
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04:48<EmleyMoor>twb: Difficult to pinpoint but there are sites I use where some highly weird formats crop up from time to time
04:48<twb>Oh, obviously I'm using Debian's mplayer, *not* marillat's
04:49<twb>IIRC they are quite different
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04:54<lethias>anyone know of a program similar to rainmeter for windows that is for linux?
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04:56<melkart>what does rainmeter do? ( i dont know it=
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04:56<petern>well, sort of
04:57<lethias>Rainmeter is similar to gkrellm but horizontal
04:57<melkart>i followed the instructions given at . i put the "debian-501-i386-netinst.iso" image file on the usb stick. yet it tells me that it cant find the image, even after searching all the hard disks
04:58<melkart>i suspect that the boot.img.gz wasnt updated to look for "debian-501...." instead of "debian-500..." in the latest minor version bump
04:58<gsimmons>lethias: Possibly screenlets or superkaramba.
04:58<lethias>gsimmons: there's system monitor but its rather buggy
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05:00<lethias>hm, I might just have to stick with gkrellm or conky I guess. :( I use rainmeter on my winbox, just was hoping someone ran into something similar for linux.
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05:00<OdyX>Hi. Is there a wiki page on Kernel Modesetting (possible with Sid now)
05:01<twb>gsimmons: screenlets = gkdesklets?
05:01<OdyX>or info somewhere. Can't find a good way to enable it
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05:01<m2rt>Is there a person willing to help me in installing the nvidia driver for my hp pavilin on debian? Followed the instructions on the wiki page. but my 3d games are not starting up.
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05:02<melkart>whom should i contact about my problem of not being able to install debian-501 with usb stick?
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05:03<jm_>m2rt: how can you get stuck on that?
05:03<twb>melkart: are you installing TO a usb stick, or FROM a usb stick?
05:03<melkart>twb: from
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05:04<melkart>twb: i had the same problem with the method of directly starting vmlinuz and initrd.gz from grub
05:04<m2rt>jm_ well I do not know... I installed it with the commands it said. I think that something went bad in the section of configuring x. my desktop and everything works... but the 3d games are not starting.
05:04<jm_>m2rt: ok, xdpyinfo|grep NV
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05:05<twb>melkart: I recommend you put extlinux on the key, not grub
05:05<m2rt>heh, it displays nothing. what it did?
05:05<twb>melkart: IME grub routinely gets upset when you juggle disks, which is inevitable for a USB key
05:05<melkart>twb: sorry for not being clear... i didnt put grub on the key, at least not knowingly... i meant the grub, installed on the hard disk
05:05<jm_>m2rt: you're not using nvidia driver
05:06<gsimmons>twb: They're similar software, but are independent projects.
05:06<DarkBar>is there a way to enable button highligting in toshiba satellite a300 it has phoenix bios?
05:06<twb>gsimmons: OK.
05:06<twb>DarkBar: what is "button highlighting"?
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05:07<melkart>twb: with the usb stick, i just followed the instructions... first i did "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc", then i mounted it and put the debian-501...iso on it, too... booting from the usb stick worked fine, i got into the graphical installer, but then it sought after the .iso and couldnt find it
05:07<clancy>is there a command line to see which packages are installed from the non-free repo?
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05:07<jm_>melkart: why did you put ISO image on the stick?
05:07<melkart>clancy: vrms
05:08<twb>melkart: Oh, I thought you were doing it by hand
05:08<melkart>jm_: i am supposed to do it, according to the instructions: "After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. Unmount the stick (umount /mnt) and you are done."
05:08<twb>clancy: Virtual Richard M. Stallman, enemy of your freedom!
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05:09<clancy> is just to see some version numbers
05:09<twb>melkart: did you put the .iso in a subfolder, or in the root?
05:09<melkart>twb: in the root
05:09<magaly>hay algun español, o me he colado
05:09<twb>melkart: the code only looks in- OK.
05:09<jm_>melkart: ahh you can find d-i messages on tty3 or 4
05:09<jm_>melkart: check there
05:09<twb>!tell magaly -about es
05:09<twb>jm_: good idea
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05:10<jm_>clancy: you can use aptitude
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05:11<melkart>i see. ok, i will do that at the next attempt.... but what exactly does it search for? does it look after a file with the specific name? because, the name it is looking for might be outdated, "debian-500..." instead of "debian-501..."? because i never had such problems before, not with lenny 500
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05:11<clancy>jm_: i usually use apt-get
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05:11<jm_>clancy: apt-get doesn't have this functionality
05:12<jm_>melkart: I was hoping debug messages will clraify that
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05:12<twb>melkart: I don't remember exactly, sorry.
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05:14<jeff_hann>hi, I enabled experimental and now , after upgrading, aptitude was uninstalled
05:14<jeff_hann>what can I do?
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05:14<jm_>disable experimental
05:14<jeff_hann>I did
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05:14<jm_>so reinstall it
05:15<Antiochus>how can i add the keyboard indicator to the pannel in xfce session
05:15<jeff_hann>says there are broken deps
05:15<jeff_hann>libapt-pkg and libept0
05:16<jm_>yes, you will have to install the matching versions, probably the easiest to use dpkg
05:17<jeff_hann>download the packages from a unstable mirror then dpkg -i ?
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05:21<jm_>don't you have them in /var/cache/apt/archives?
05:22<m2rt>jm_! When I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then it should ask me questions about the x server driver and stuff. but it only asks about keyboard...
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05:22<m2rt>everything else is already installed..
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05:22<jm_>m2rt: no longer, nowadays you need to manually edit xorg.conf
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05:22<jm_>m2rt: so change nv to nvidia in it
05:23<m2rt>manually... ok, I shall try.
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05:23<m2rt>uhm what was the text editor name?
05:24<@weasel>ed is *the* editor
05:24<m2rt>yeah whatever
05:25<jm_>m2rt: use whichever tool you are used to
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05:27<m2rt>jm_ it does not contain a "module" section.
05:27<m2rt>should I just manually add it?
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05:28<jm_>m2rt: probably not needed, just add/check section Device
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05:28<zxd>is it possible to change CONFIG_HZ to 1000 settings on the fly , without having to recompile the kernel
05:28<m2rt>for device I added Driver "nvidia"
05:28<zxd>stock debian kernel has it to CONFIG_HZ=250
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05:28<jm_>then try to restart X
05:28<zxd> maybe there is a desktop optimized stock kernel for debian
05:28<jm_>zxd: no
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05:30<zxd>jm_, so I will have to recompile?
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05:31<m2rt>Thanks jm_ it worked :P
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05:31<jm_>m2rt: now retry the xdpyinfo command
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05:31<jm_>zxd: yes
05:32<m2rt> NV-CONTROL
05:32<m2rt> NV-GLX
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05:33<m2rt>gah I am having issues... flash does not load automatically in iceweasel... I have to click on it, to load flash.
05:34<m2rt>and flash hangs when watching videos on youtube...
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05:36<m2rt>I am gonna try to install flashplugin-nonfree
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05:38<frunsk>hi im using 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 version of pidgin, which seems to crash, how do i change version?
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05:40<crowd>I am trying to Rebuild an official Debian kernel package with no success. I am trying to follow the handbook at "" but when i try to do "apt-get source linux-major" I am getting the following error "E: Unable to find a source package for linux-major"
05:40<crowd>Any ideas ?
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05:42<EmleyMoor>major is in italics - not to be taken literally but completed as appropriate
05:42<hellth>apt-cache search linux-`uname -r`
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05:43<zxd>does anyone know a tool that can tell the model of the LCD monitor ? I want to script something with xrandr to dynamically change resolution based on the model of LCD monitor detected
05:43<jm_>zxd: check if read-edid + parse-edid shows you anything
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05:43<jm_>get-edid even
05:44<crowd>EmleyMoor: so what should i write instead of major ? I tried 2.6.26-1-686 with no success
05:44<jm_>otherwise you can usually find it in in xorg log
05:44<jm_>crowd: the package is called linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
05:44<EmleyMoor>2.6.26 I guess
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05:45<crowd>jm_: thanks that looks to be working :)
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05:48<m2rt>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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05:48<jm_>don't tell us!
05:48<m2rt>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
05:48<m2rt>sorry :P
05:48<jm_>m2rt: do you have non-free in sources.list?
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05:49<crowd>Thanks all
05:49<crowd>and bye bye
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05:49<m2rt>in synaptic package manager
05:49<m2rt>under downloadable from internet
05:49<jm_>check /etc/apt/sources.list
05:50<m2rt>you mean that: deb-src lenny main contrib non-free
05:50<jm_>that's only for source packages
05:51<jm_>look at the 'deb" line
05:51<m2rt> anyway thats the contents of the file.
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05:52<m2rt>I have the normal one too, if I read the file correctly...
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05:52<EmleyMoor>Have you reloaded/updated since adding non-freeL
05:52<zxd>jm_, do you know something else ? I am notgetting anyinfo about the monitor only gfx card
05:54<jm_>m2rt: doh, it's not in lenny ;)
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05:55<m2rt>heh... how can I view normal flash then? :P
05:55<jm_>m2rt: dmm has it
05:55<m2rt>apt get dmm ?
05:55<jm_>!tell m2rt -about d-m
05:56<m2rt>thanks again :D
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05:56<m2rt>You are saving my day :P
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05:56<m2rt>after 60 hours of fight with viruses(whole company network), I am feeling better again.
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05:57<enouf>heh .. mpoop
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06:02<Antiochus>EmpleyMoor: Thanks w32codecs worked!
06:02<jm_>zxd: not really no, did you check X logfile? card info is retrieved using lspci
06:03<Antiochus>But i only downloaded it with Synaptic Package Manager..
06:03<zxd>jm_, I checked
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06:04<jm_>zxd: and it doesn't mention it in the log? how old is your monitor?
06:05<ffws>zxd: ddcprobe might be helpfull
06:05<enouf>hrm .. hwinfo --monitor ?
06:06<zxd>jm_, sec I have an idea
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06:07<jm_>ddcprobe only lists modes for me, not monitor info, then again, get-edid doesn't work here either
06:08<enouf>get-edid | parse-edid works here fine (as jm_ mentioned) ; both ModelName and VendorName are shown
06:08<zxd>enouf, not here
06:08<jm_>zxd: which driver/card?
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06:09<enouf>and answer jm_ about your monitor and it's age, etc
06:09<jm_>although looking at ddcprobe strings it does look like it can print monitor info
06:09<zxd>jm_, do I need to comment out the Monitor section for it to display detected model in the log?
06:09<jm_>zxd: not really
06:09<zxd>**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
06:09<zxd>(**) | |-->Monitor "Generic Monitor"
06:09<zxd>(**) | |-->Device "Intel Corporation 82946GZ/GL Integrated Graphics Controller"
06:10<enouf>hwinfo --monitor | egrep 'Model|Vendor' also works
06:10<zxd>(II) intel(0): Output VGA using monitor section Generic Monitor
06:10<zxd>(**) intel(0): Option "PreferredMode" "1024x768_75.00"
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06:10<enouf>sounds like a craptop
06:10<enouf>using the external VGA port?
06:11<zxd>hwinfo --monitor | egrep 'Model|Vendor'
06:11<zxd> Model: "Generic Monitor"
06:11<zxd> Vendor: "Generic"
06:11<zxd>Cool I got dumped to , if not detected monitor type print "Generic monitor" function
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06:12<jm_>zxd: you need to look in logfile under ddc or somesuch
06:13<zxd>dcc are you sure?
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06:13<jm_>I said ddc, not dcc - I forgot how it looks like for intel driver
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06:17<zxd>no this monitor is not detected , I tried hwinfo --monitor with a different model and it works
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06:17<enouf>i wonder if the PCIID 0002.0.0.1 (the .1 is the external port most if not all times) needs to be listed in xorg.conf for it to work properly
06:18<enouf>oh .. bad monitor, bad ,,,
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06:19<jm_>zxd: I would have to check that against intel driver log where it works
06:19<enouf>zxd: your not using a digital to analog (DB-15) convertor or anything odd like that are you?
06:19<jm_>zxd: but yeah it's quite possible monitor doesn't support it, but it may be some other interaction getting in the way
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06:23<zxd>enouf, no
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06:26<milenko>help /cw
06:27<EmleyMoor>milenko: Can we help you?
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06:32<bremner>err, with power comes responsibility?
06:32<@weasel>your point?
06:33<bremner>maybe I misunderstood, but it looked like you opped milenko
06:33<@weasel>your client is broken
06:33<EmleyMoor>He quieted him
06:33<bremner>okay, sorry
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07:17<m2rt>how to disable Swfdec
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07:21<bremner>m2rt: sudo aptitude remove swfdec
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07:22<m2rt>doesn't it uninstall gnome? the package manager wanted to uninstall gnome with swdfdec
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07:24<bremner>so it does. /me doesn't use gnome. I guess browser by browser then.
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07:25<m2rt>browser by browser?
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07:27<bremner>m2rt: do you need to gnome-desktop package? I don't think it does anything other than depend on stuff
07:28<jm_>m2rt: you can also disable specific plugins in iceweasel
07:29<m2rt>its not in the plugins list,,,,
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07:30<jm_>interesting, description says it's a plugin - where did you look?
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07:38<kitchenrange>For some reason, when I boot after installing windows and reinstalling grub, my grub doesnt recognize my windows partition at all. Any suggestions?
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07:40<jkoenig>kitchenrange: you need to create an entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst
07:40<kitchenrange>i tried creating an entry and when i select it the screen just flashes and does nothing.
07:41<kitchenrange>I used root(hd0,1)
07:41<kitchenrange>any way to be sure im using the right one?
07:41<jkoenig>can you paste it ( ?
07:41<kitchenrange>one sec
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07:43<jkoenig>does "flashes and does nothing" include an error message ? does it crash the machine or get you back to the grub menu ?
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07:44<kitchenrange>flashes for an instant and goes back to grub menu
07:44<shiznatix>Can anyone tell me how to install the Songbird deb package on debian without having Firefox installed but instead having Iceweasel installed? Either that or how to install the source package so it can be used by all users and be removable via apt-get
07:44<cahoot>and on what partition does xp exist?
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07:44<kitchenrange>im almost positive thats it is 0,1
07:44<jkoenig>kitchenrange: I think maybe you're missing a space between "chainloader" and "+1"
07:44<kitchenrange>is there a way to check?
07:45<kitchenrange>im definitely missing a space jkoenig
07:45<jm_>kitchenrange: you need to chainload windows, root is not enough
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07:45<jm_>in fact root is not needed for it
07:45<kitchenrange>let me try putting the space in
07:45<kitchenrange>and if that doesnt work ill brb
07:46<jkoenig>kitchenrange: you can hit 'c' at boot to get the grub prompt and test stuff there if needed.
07:46<jm_>doh chainload is there
07:46<jm_>kitchenrange: where did you install grub?
07:46<kitchenrange>didnt want to say that and throw you out jm :)
07:46<jm_>reinstall that
07:46<kitchenrange>i did
07:46<jm_>kitchenrange: yes, but where? what was the command?
07:46<kitchenrange>sudo grub
07:46<kitchenrange>root (0,1)
07:47<kitchenrange>setup (hd0)
07:47<kitchenrange>i mean
07:47<jm_>and root(0,1) is what, windows partition?
07:47<kitchenrange>but setup(0,1)
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07:47<kitchenrange>im pretty sure thats how i did it
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07:47<jm_>if you installed grub on windows partition you most likely screwed it up
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07:48<jkoenig>jm_: well, the test will probably show that..
07:49<jm_>jkoenig: I'm pretty sure it's gone
07:49<melkart>i tested installing lenny 5.0.1 from usb stick again. 1st: it doesnt find the iso on the stick (netinst) in the first place 2nd: when it searches all hard disks (1st pass), it finds some images, but "iso-scan" either says "Not a debian ISO" or "unable to mount"
07:50<jkoenig>jm_: yeah, grub would halt on a syntax error, right ? (and not when reloading itself..)
07:50<jm_>jkoenig: no I mean he screwed up windows fs
07:50<melkart>i tried 2nd pass search as well, no luck. it did find some "debian-501..." iso (which i have on several partitions lying around) but says its cant mount them
07:50<jkoenig>jm_: yeah, and grub reloads itself instead of Windows, hence the flashing an do nothing part..
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07:52<kitchenrange>well that kind of got me somewhere, it came up with Error 13 : Invalid or Unsupported format, does it matter if its FAT?
07:53<jm_>jkoenig: right
07:53<jkoenig>kitchenrange: do you remember what grub command did that ?
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07:53<kitchenrange>well, it was done last night
07:54<kitchenrange>but i can redo it
07:54<kitchenrange>its pretty simple
07:54<crowd>Is there a way to safely change the disk partitionning while OS is running ?
07:54<kitchenrange>do you have a usb drive crowd?
07:54<kitchenrange>or live cd
07:54<jkoenig>kitchenrange: probably you installed grub on the windows partition,
07:54<jm_>crowd: dpends what exactly you want to do
07:55<crowd>kitchenrange: i have both
07:55<kitchenrange>boot to either
07:55<jkoenig>kitchenrange: thereby wiping its own bootloader.
07:55<kitchenrange>go to terminal and type gparted
07:55<kitchenrange>sudo gparted sry
07:55<jkoenig>kitchenrange: you will probably need to reinstall Windows,
07:55<kitchenrange>maybe jkoe
07:55<kitchenrange>ive done that twice already
07:55<jkoenig>kitchenrange: then grub, but either in the MBR (hd0) or you linux partition (hd0,0 I guess).
07:56<kitchenrange>what should i format the partition as before i put windows on it?
07:56<crowd>jm_: I have a dirve which has 2 partitions (/ = 4G and /home = 15G) I just notice / is 95% full while /home is 1% full so i want to take some of the space in /home and give it to /
07:57<jkoenig>kitchenrange: mmh, I don't know but I guess the windows installer will do so.
07:57<kitchenrange>like i said crowd boot to live and type "sudo gparted" its a really simple gui based partition editor
07:57<kitchenrange>it will let you merge the two completely or w/e you want
07:58<jm_>crowd: that means you'll need to resize stuff, you can grow ext3 while it's mounted, but you can't shrink it, better use a live cd
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07:58<crowd>kitchenrange: I need to make my usb bootable ?
07:58<kitchenrange>you can just use your cd if you have it
07:58<kitchenrange>boot and open a terminal
07:58<kitchenrange>you know how to do that?
07:59<kitchenrange>once you open a terminal type in "sudo gparted" without the quotes and press enter
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07:59<kitchenrange>you will get a menu that lets you easily resize the partitions
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07:59<crowd>kitchenrange: thanks i will try that ..
08:00<kitchenrange>if you have any problems you can connect to this channel once your booted to your live cd
08:00<kitchenrange>and get talked through it
08:00<kitchenrange>but i have to go
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08:02<crowd>thanks all going to reboot now :)
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08:04<m2rt>jm_ about the swfdec. I looked in tools - addons - plugins
08:04<jm_>m2rt: that's where I would expect to see it too, how about "about:plugins"?
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08:05<m2rt>heh... it names itself "Shockwave Flash"
08:09<m2rt>I installed flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia
08:09<m2rt>But that does not show up in iceweasel
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08:09<DarkBar>hello i have a question about script how to make gimp open a php script that makes a png image?
08:09<Gekz>aw fail
08:09<DarkBar>i usually execute it by php scriptname and i get png image from it
08:10<DarkBar>but now i want to try open it with gimp
08:10<dpkg>All your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg (<dpkgbot>), apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper, <judd>. Are we not men? If you prick us, do we not bleed? Err... oil anyway.
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08:11<RichiH>dpkg clearly bleeds botsnack juice when prciked
08:11<cahoot>DarkBar: #php perhaps?
08:11<bremner>DarkBar: save to a file? I don't understand the problem yet
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08:12<DarkBar>i want to open it witout saving to a file, i can save using php script > image.png and then i get normal png
08:12<DarkBar>i want to open it without saving
08:13<bremner>DarkBar: you want to make a gimp plugin?
08:13<jm_>open it and do what with it?
08:13<DarkBar>just open
08:13<DarkBar>and see its there
08:13<cahoot>display it?
08:14<jm_>you can pipe it via stdin to "display" if that's what you're after
08:14<cahoot>gimp seems like overkill
08:14<DarkBar>i want to generate wallpaper for my desktop this way
08:15<jm_>yeah I use display for this
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08:17<DarkBar>hmm it worked;]
08:17<DarkBar>ok thx
08:18*m2rt beats the crap out of flash
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08:23<imonor>anyone have suggestion on howto create bootable SD card? just made a fresh USB Flash Booter, for my hard disk less computer.. want to create SD booter to free the USB port and reduce risk of the system disk accidentally dislodging from the computer..
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08:25<ThE_EnD>HI all
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08:26<jm_>imonor: does your BIOS support it?
08:27<ThE_EnD>I have a question about compatibility Intel EXPI9301CTBLK Network Card PRO/1000 PT Gigabit Adapter, PCI-E-1x with debian =)
08:27<ThE_EnD>somebody knows?
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08:27<EmleyMoor>ThE_EnD: I would think it would be compatible but I can't be definite
08:27<shiznatix>can someone tell me how to use the equivs package to install firefox?
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08:28<ThE_EnD>In intel told me the same thing
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08:31<EmleyMoor>ThE_EnD: Don' /msg
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08:31<imonor>no.. I dont think so
08:31<ThE_EnD>And who knows what a pci-e network adapter is supported by exactly
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08:32<imonor>thing is.. there was an article mentioning a way to boot from an SD via another device supported by the BIOS
08:32<EmleyMoor>ThE_EnD: Normally the driver for the PCI version also supports the PCI-E but better to find out from someone who knows for sure
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08:33<EmleyMoor>If it's not supported now it probably will be soon
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08:34<jm_>ThE_EnD: if the driver knows about its PCI IDS-s it's likely it works, why not check that?
08:34<EmleyMoor>ThE_EnD: Don't /msg
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08:36<ThE_EnD>to Jm_ =)
08:36<jm_>ThE_EnD: do you have the card in the slot?
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08:36<ThE_EnD>jm: I have not bought it yet
08:38<ThE_EnD>jm_ :But before buying, I must know
08:39<jm_>ThE_EnD: ahh ok, let me see something
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08:39<ThE_EnD>jm_ : Thank you very much!
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08:44<jm_>ThE_EnD: hmm there are many similar devices, one would really need to know the ID
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08:46<ThE_EnD>jm_: And you can advise me any other card?
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08:46<jm_>ThE_EnD: what do you need it for?
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08:49<gmej>your name
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08:50<_2>can anyone help me see shat i'm not seeing about why this laptop wont boot past the busybox initramfs ? (debian lenny, was booting fine until dpkg updated the initramfs image) i have rebuilt the initramfs image several times to no avail. i can manually mount the rootfs and chroot into the system but i can't "pivot_root" all it says is permission denied. when the "script" init fails i see "mount: mounting /dev/sda on /root faile
08:50<_2>there is one other interesting line "/scripts/init-bottom/udev: line 25: nuke: permission denied"
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08:51<_2>can anyone help me see shat i'm not seeing about why this laptop wont boot past the busybox initramfs ? (debian lenny, was booting fine until dpkg updated the initramfs image)
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08:52<crowd>I am trying to resize my partitions i boot into the USB DISK i used to install debian and got a shell, i tried to run gparted but its looks like it ain't on the installation image
08:52<jm_>_2: initramfs-tools supports debugging, try that
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08:53<_2>jm_ is initramfs-tools a command ?
08:53<jm_>_2: man initramfs-tools to get the info about parameters it knows
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08:55<_2>NAME initramfs-tools - an introduction to writing scripts for mkinitramfs ???
08:57<crowd>jm_ can you help me out on resizing my partitions ?
08:57<_2>jm_ problem is, it's failing to mount /dev/sda on /root and there is no reason for it to fail.
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08:59<_2>jm_ are you suggesting that i set -x the scripts and rebuild the initramfs image to get more information ?
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09:00<jm_>_2: no, I am suggesting you use debug parameter for it to display lots of shit that might help you figure out why it's failing
09:00<jm_>crowd: does it have parted?
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09:01<crowd>jm_ nope ... its bussybox
09:01<crowd>i don't think it has any resize util
09:02<jm_>crowd: why not use something that has gparted/parted instead?
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09:03<EmleyMoor>The beta version of UBCD has parted/gparted - as well as other nice stuff
09:03<crowd>jm_ i am not sure how to do so ... how can i install this app on my USB ?
09:03<crowd>i don't want to mount the OS because then i can't resize it
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09:05<Jager>zit ik hier goed..?
09:05<jm_>crowd: I recommend grml
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09:07<crowd>jm_ should i create a bootable USB from the original OS or the bootable image i used to install my debian is enough ?
09:07<jm_>crowd: debian has a rather limited set of tools on the CD, it's better to use something like grml
09:08<jm_>or debian live cd
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09:11<crowd>jm_ can i set iso file on USB ?
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09:13<cshore>crowd: I just got here, are you trying to do a debian-installer USB boot?
09:13<jm_>crowd: you can use unetbootin to make bootable USB disk from an ISO image
09:14<imonor>or xubuntu
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09:16<imonor>crowd: download and slowburn xubuntu 8.10, boot from the cd.. get connected to the internet, insert the USB flash disk ( im using a 8gb San disk
09:17<crowd>cshore not exactly ... i am trying to resized a working debian partition
09:17<_2>well i added one line "mount -n /dev/sda /root" in the script "/usr/share/initramfs-tools/init" but now rather than a busybox shell, all i get is a kernel panic.
09:17<crowd>jm_ thanks i will try that
09:17<imonor>open terminal, type: <sudo su><apt-get install usb-creator><usb-creator>
09:17<cshore>crowd: / (root) or another one? Do you have lvm or regular partitions?
09:18<jm_>_2: /dev/sda is entire device, I somehow doubt that's what you want to mount
09:18<_2>jm_ that's where the rootfs is.
09:18<jm_>_2: you have no partitions at all?
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09:19<imonor>pull the slider over to the right, to give the system some space.. and youll have a bootable USB stick in ten minutes..
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09:19<jm_>_2: ok, in that case I recommend you disable silent mode and inspect kernel messages when initramfs fails
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09:19<imonor>I also have a computer with no HD, only CD
09:19<crowd>cshore i don't know what lvm is and i want to reduce the size of /home and to increase /
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09:20<jm_>_2: i.e. make sure it loads all the drivers needed to mount /
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09:22<_2>jm_ it must be loading them, i can issue the command "mount /dev/sda /root" in the busybox shell and it mounts it just fine.
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09:23<_2>then i can "chroot /root" and work on the system....
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09:25<jm_>_2: ok, then try to use debug parameter and check the output, you can also compare your initramfs image against an older one, if you still have it
09:25<jm_>I have to go now
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09:25<_2>ah but there is the problem, i don't have any other initramfs to compare too
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09:26<shiznatix>I just installed debian on my desktop computer but whenever I boot it gives me a "error 22" message. How can I reinstall grub on it to boot up poperly?
09:26<manuel>how can i add a new passphrase to luks encrypted partition?
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09:27<valdyn>manuel: not?
09:27<ranix>What package would I use to detect bad clusters on a disk?
09:27<manuel>i tought kuks can handel 8 passphrases
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09:27<valdyn>ranix: "badblocks"
09:28<ranix>thanks valdyn
09:28<_2>shiznatix from an install cd or from the "super-grub cd"
09:28<shiznatix>_2, I installed debian from a usb disk but now i have a ubuntu live cd in and booted up so I guess from a live cd
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09:33<shiznatix>_2, any advice then? I tried reinstalling it and got to grub but when I select the kernel I want it just says "slected disk does not exist"
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09:34<shiznatix>_2, maybe its because I isntalled via a USB stick and is now confusing the location/name of the drive somewhere? In the live cd it says its hd0,0 but it seams to be now trying to run from hd1,0
09:34<_2>shiznatix yeah probably, you might try adjusting the /boot/grub/ accordingly.
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09:35<_2>have to run.
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09:38<shiznatix>can anyone else help me then? How do I change the location that debian is looking for my master drive?
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09:39<ffws>shiznatix: debian or grub?
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09:40<shiznatix>ffws, either. I installed debian but it seams that the drive was switched with my usb key (in install my HD was hd0,1 and without the usb stick it is hd0,0) now I can get to grub but no further
09:41<ffws>shiznatix: /boot/grub/
09:41<shiznatix>ffws, how do I get to just a command line like that?
09:42<petern>wouldn't using UUID solve this?
09:42<ffws>shiznatix: use the grub command line to boot your kernel
09:42<@weasel>device (hd0) /dev/sda
09:42<@weasel>root (hd0,0)
09:42<@weasel>setup (hd0)
09:42<@weasel>or whatever
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09:44<@weasel>shiznatix: otoh, if you already have grub working,
09:44<@weasel>shiznatix: then just give it a different root= device in the kernel command line
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09:45<shiznatix>when I get to grub I edit the first kernel option and change root from (hd1,0) to (hd0,0) and it boots up somewhat but freezes after some time and doesn't get to any user login
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09:45<shiznatix>It freezes after this line: [sdd] attachedscsi removable disk. Won't go any further
09:46<shiznatix>and if I don't change the root to (hd0,0) it just says hd0,1 disk not found and thats all
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09:48<@weasel>shiznatix: edit the kernel command line.
09:48<@weasel>shiznatix: fix that root. also remove quiet.
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09:48<@weasel>and it probably doesn't freeze, just hangs in a timeout
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09:50<shiznatix>weasel, not sure what you mean. I edited the root command but what other command do you mean? I don't see "quiet" anywhere
09:50<@weasel>kernel .... has parameters.
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09:51<shiznatix>yes. only: /boot/vmlinuz-##### root=/dev/sdd1 ro
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09:53<@weasel>maybe change that root?
09:53<@weasel>if you don't have a quiet, good.
09:54<dumbo>grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt/buildroot /dev/sdX for sda,sdb drives
09:54<shiznatix>after messing with the root (I just put sdd, no number after it) I got to a (initramfs) terminal
09:54<dumbo>else grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt/buildroot /dev/hdX X=a,b,c,d
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09:54<dumbo>then grub
09:55<dumbo>then rm -rf /boot/grub/
09:55<@weasel>shiznatix: sdd is probably very wrong.
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09:55<@weasel>shiznatix: sda1 is more likely
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09:55<@weasel>you have no idea what you're doing, right?
09:56<shiznatix>haha, sda1 worked! now how do I save these changes?
09:56<@weasel>shiznatix: edit boot/grub/menu.list
09:56<dumbo>i was pasting it from elsewhere.
09:56<@weasel>shiznatix: esp the line saying "# kopt=...."
09:56<@weasel>then run update-grub
09:56<dumbo>/mnt/buildroot = /
09:57<magaly>hola busco a alguien que hable español
09:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:00<shiznatix>weasel, I edited the file then saved it then rean update-grub then did a "reboot" but the changes didn't save
10:00<@weasel>then chances are you didn't edit it correctly.
10:01<dumbo>mount -o remount,rw /boot
10:01<dumbo>your /boot is always in ro mode
10:01<dumbo>change to rw
10:01<dumbo>then try
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10:02<@weasel>dumbo: maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't advise people when you don't really know.
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10:03*dumbo shuts up keeping in mind the logic "to man is to err, to forgive is not the company (debian) policy."
10:03*dumbo steps down.
10:03<shiznatix>weasel, I am not sure how I could be doing it wrong. I am making the exact same changes that I made at grub
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10:05<shiznatix>ahha! got it. there where more things to edit than just the uncommented menu items at the bottom
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10:15<shiznatix>after installing gnome core what package is needed to get to a login screen on boot?
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10:15<Gekz>slim is smaller than gdm
10:16<shiznatix>whats the difference then?
10:16<Gekz>depends what you want
10:16<shiznatix>i want candy
10:16<Gekz>what kidn
10:16<Gekz>eye, sugar, pedo
10:16<shiznatix>sugar kind
10:17<Gekz>go to a shop then
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10:18<shiznatix>ok last though, with just a basic gnome-core install the graphics are pretty bad. what is the package to get better graphics
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10:19<Gekz>graphics meaning
10:19<Gekz>the themes and such?
10:19<Gekz>you need gtk engines
10:19<Gekz>I recommend murrina
10:19<shiznatix>like the toolbars are windows 95 looking
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10:20<Gekz>thats a gtk2 theme
10:20<Gekz>as I just said
10:20<shiznatix>so murrina then
10:20<toad>i need help :)
10:21<ml>!tell toad -about ask
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10:23<ml>well... =/
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10:31<djc>Heh.. I don't pick a WM based on how 'cool looking' its graphics are
10:31<ThE_EnD>How do I view a version of the kernel?
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10:31<djc>Unless I used that as a point *against* a particular WM
10:32<djc>view it how?
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10:32<ThE_EnD>djc: How do I get kernel version? =)
10:33<ffws>ThE_EnD: uname -a
10:33<djc>you can get many versions of the kernel from
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10:33<ThE_EnD>djc: =)
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10:34<ThE_EnD>Òóò åñòü êòîíèáóäü êòî ãîâîðèò íà ìîåì ÿçûêå?
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10:36<ml>!slap ml
10:36*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across ml's face
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10:37<jaycee>NEED HELP....Can't recall how last Synaptic update was interrupted. Thereafter, it runs into a loop. When start Synaptic, it said since lat dpkg was interrupted, you need to run dpkg --configure -a to fix it. When run dpkg, the dependency check reported there's a problem with It is expecting openoffice-core 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1 but found only 1:2.4.1-17+b1 on system. So leave unconfigure. It is same situation for openoffice.
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10:39<djc>you could always remove openoffice completely
10:39<djc>make sure everything else is good
10:39<djc>then reinstall fresh OO
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10:44<knoppix_>any one here
10:44<jaycee>in fact, synaptic has detected broken index of openoffice-org-gnome( and gtk). Should I just ignore it and mark all related openoffice packages for removal????
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10:45<djc>its worth a try. not like you cant reinstall them
10:46<jaycee>ok...will do...sir...
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10:53<Suvarov[work]>I am trying to configuring /etc/apt/preferences to prefer packages from "oldstable" over packages from "testing", except for *specific* packages; my goal is to stay on etch as much as possible, while upgrading libasound2 to 1.0.19. Can someone help?
10:53<ranix>apt-policy iirc
10:54<Suvarov[work]>ranix, do you mean "man 5 apt_preferences"?
10:55<ranix>I thought there was a way to auto-edit apt-preferences via a quick-command
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10:55<Suvarov[work]>If so, my blind following of the examples have failed to produce the expected (and desired) results. I can give my /etc/apt/preferences
10:55*Suvarov[work] looks for apt-policy
10:55<ranix>I am also looking
10:55<ranix>not finding
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10:56<Suvarov[work]>I'm finding lots of selinux references, and Debian policy docs... so far.
10:56<ranix>only related option I see is apt-cache policy
10:56<Suvarov[work]>I have been using apt-cache policy to test my /etc/apt/preferences
10:57<Suvarov[work]>That's how I know that my changes are failing to produce any measurable differences.
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10:57<ranix>Suvarov[work]: I think you will need to pastebin your apt preferences and have someone more knowledgeable than I double-check them
10:58<Suvarov[work]>will do
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10:58<Suvarov[work]>hold please
10:59<djc>you want to prefer etch while using some specific packages from squeeze?!
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11:00<djc>If you are gonna run some squeeze packages, I'd suggest at least updating the rest to lenny (current stable)
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11:00<Suvarov[work]>ranix: of course, I have made numerous changes before posting here, and now that I try to put together one last version, it works :-/
11:01<Suvarov[work]>Thank you very much for your time, but I am *now* getting the results I expect
11:01<ranix>good news!
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11:01<ranix>perhaps you needed to apt-get update
11:01<Suvarov[work]>I don't know what I've done that is different, but I can proceed.
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11:01<Suvarov[work]>Or, perhaps I merely failed to *read* what I actully *typed*
11:02<Suvarov[work]>Either way, I can get my work done. Thanks again!
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11:04<jaycee>have marked about 15 related OO items for removal. At end, synaptic reported is in a very bad inconsistent state. HERE IS THE dislay from panel:: error encountered processing; E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg return err code (1); A package failed to install; Trying to recover (hangs here)...when going back to the synaptic, found only gcj was not removed. Any suggestion to take it out from Synaptic???
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11:07<ml>jaycee: try purging gcj?
11:09<jaycee>Appreciate if you can provide me detail instructions (commands) - relatively new in linux...
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11:12<ml>jaycee: I don't use synaptic, but look for an option to remove said pkg and configuration files
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11:13<djc>"mark for complete removal"
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11:14<ml>djc: thanks
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11:18<jaycee>in my case is it : dpkg option --purge ??? (??? = path); btw, wht ption I should put? force or ignore or others?
11:19<ml>jaycee: read up
11:19<djc>the equivlent of 'purge' in synaptic is 'mark for complete removal'
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11:21<jaycee>djc and ml: When I performed last removal, I have chosen "mark for complete removal" already. No luck for this gcj stuff.....
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11:23<jaycee>synaptic also reported this gcj is with broken index......
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11:28<adb>oops , sorry
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11:29<bremner>you should be, I install everything I read about, now I have no more diskspace
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11:30<guy>hello all,
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11:30<guy>I have a small problem under lenny
11:31<guy>I send a post but without respons
11:31<Nazcafan>I noticed that updating to new kernels does not update the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
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11:31<guy>the fsck died when I reboot our server
11:31<guy>with multipath
11:31<crowd>I am trying to resize my partition
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11:32<crowd>I boot into grml but i can't find gparted in it ?
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11:34<crowd>is there another util to work with ?
11:35<junix>i need some help setting up ProFTPd, is there a halfway decent tutorial? I just tried looking at, and the docs...
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11:35<junix>it just needs to be straight up ftp, chrooted
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11:36<cesurasean>Tue Apr 14 21:38:03 2009: Starting PostgreSQL 7.4 database server: main.
11:36<cesurasean>Tue Apr 14 21:38:07 2009: Starting PostgreSQL 8.3 database server: main.
11:36<cesurasean>is anyone else having this problem when upgrading?
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11:37<cesurasean>I'm not sure as to why apt installed it that way, or even how.
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11:38<mtc>hi - any idea why the virtual terminals have gobblity-gook ascii text?
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11:43<guy>#join lvm
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11:44<Nazcafan>I understood why installing new kernels would not update menu.lst anymore
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11:44<Nazcafan>it might be slightly linked with the fact that I had uninstalled grub a couple of weeks ago
11:45*Nazcafan is predisposed to shoot himsef in the foot
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11:49<EagleScreen>When I boot my system or when I load (modprobe) a kernel module, I receive these warnings:
11:49<vic>hi I need update only hplip, how is the command for only one package? please!
11:49<vic>hi I need update only hplip, how is the command for only one package? please!
11:49<vic>in debian lenny
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11:49<cahoot>EagleScreen: irritating but not malignant
11:49<EagleScreen>you need to add testing or sid repository
11:50<simonrvn>vic: man aptitude; look for install
11:50<vic>hi I need update only hplip, how is the command for only one package? please!
11:50<simonrvn>!tell vic -about repeat
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11:50<simonrvn>and don't ignore people when they talk to you. sheesh
11:51<EagleScreen>cahoot: what does that mean? Do I need to do something?
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11:51<EagleScreen>why am I obtaining these messages?
11:51<vic>simonrvn: man aptitude <package> ??
11:51<cahoot>EagleScreen: no it will be sorted AFAIK
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11:51<simonrvn>vic: no. go read that.
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11:52<EagleScreen>vic: sudo aptitude install -t sid hplip
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11:53<vic>and what about: apt-get -u <package> ?
11:53*simonrvn watches as EagleScreen spoonfeeds vic...
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11:56<EagleScreen>I have a Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) wifi
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11:57<EagleScreen>I need to compile the privative driver to use it, but i am having problems, it seems compilation errors
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11:58<EagleScreen>that driver makes a kernel module called wl.ko, I would like to compile it for kernel 2.6.29 which is in Sid
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11:59<gsimmons>EagleScreen: Uh, "privative"? The 4312 is well-supported by the b43 driver, use of wl/hybrid isn't required.
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12:01<EagleScreen>b43 driver does not support my device
12:01<EagleScreen>I have to use wl
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12:03<gsimmons>EagleScreen: What is the PCI-ID of your device? (lspci -nn | grep BCM)
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12:05<EagleScreen>04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
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12:05<themill>judd pciid 14e4:4315
12:06<judd>themill: [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
12:06<gsimmons>EagleScreen: Arg, you have the unsupported low-power variant.
12:06<EagleScreen>See these errors
12:06<guy> I have a problem with multipath-tools anyone can help me or give me a link ?
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12:06<luca635>I have compiled (m-a) drm-modules-source (from experimental) and obtained libdrm2 2.4.4+git+20090205+8b88036-1. But there is a version in sid with a higher number (2.4.9-1)
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12:07<luca635>I don't know if I can go to the highest number version since i compiled it for "nouveau"
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12:20<launch>Hi, which package i need to compile a program, i installed gcc-4.3 and cpp-4.3 but the ,/Config do not find the gcc
12:20<bigeasy>try build-essential
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12:21<gsimmons>EagleScreen: Known compilation issue with 2.6.29. You'll need to patch Broadcom's sources with (or just use NDISwrapper instead).
12:21<launch>thanks a lot bigeasy!
12:22<djc>launch, note that there are very few things you actually need to compile.. the vast majority of Free software is available in debian repositories
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12:23<djc>launch, Unless you have some very specific reason that you want to compile manually, I would suggest always looking in debian repositories for a particular app, before rolling your own
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12:24<launch>djc ok, another question, is there a way with apt-get to list all metapackage
12:24<launch>only metapackage
12:24<djc>If I'm looking for something and it isnt in debian already, then I google for the package name and 'debian'
12:24<djc>Im not quite sure what you mean by 'metapackage'
12:24<djc>But I would suggest using either aptitude, or synaptic, rather than apt-get
12:25<launch>a package like build-essential
12:25<EagleScreen>gsimmons: thanks, I will try to use the patch command
12:25<EmleyMoor>A metapackage is a package that merely depends on others and has no content of its own
12:25<djc>Not sure if there is a way to just only those.. also not sure why you'd want to
12:26<djc>whatever you are looking for, look for it.. if theres a 'meta' package for it, it will probably come up
12:26<djc>you could look at tasksel sho
12:26<dpkg>from memory, tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (eg. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <server tasks> and <laptop task>.
12:27<djc>but note that 'builed-essential' isnt a task
12:27<EagleScreen>it worked, thanks you very much gsimmons
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12:27<djc>launch, what are you trying to compile?
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12:28<launch>djc, unrealircd
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12:31<djc>probably not of much help, but perhaps something you might want to read through
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12:34<FoxM>Hi. How can I know which processes / daemons are using certaing ports?
12:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lsof is LiSt Open Files, "aptitude install lsof" . See also <open files>.
12:34<FoxM>djc: thanks :)
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12:35<djc>note that ''network sockets" also count as '"files" in that context
12:36<djc>you'd want 'lsof -i' to list all open network sockets
12:36<themill>FoxM: or netstat.
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12:36<djc>hrm.. it doesnt show ports that are in LISTEN
12:36<djc>netstat shows what connections they are, but not what process
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12:37<djc>oh.. neat.. it can if you add -p
12:37<themill>djc: look at -a too
12:37<FoxM>thanks a lot! :D
12:37<djc>hrm.. again, not for listeners, only for established
12:38<djc>I always use -a
12:38<djc>well usually
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12:38<fxiny>amphi: hey
12:39<djc>well wtf.. how the hecaha
12:39<themill>djc: -l ...
12:39<djc>lsof only shows listeners if you are root
12:39<djc>ah ok -lp on netstat does it
12:40<djc>I still prefer lsof -i as root
12:40<EagleScreen>well, hybrid_wl module compiled, but now it cannot be loaded: insmod: error inserting '/home/rafael/Documentos/hybrid_wl/wl.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module. Do you know something about? gsimmons?
12:40<djc>time for me to be off
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12:42<EagleScreen>ieee80211_crypt_tkip module is not in my kernel, do you think it is by this?
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12:51<RaZa>hi all. I want to have my web server (apache2), display a page when it enters the directory, so i can simply call it index.htm (i have the index pages set to on), but i want to be able to still look at the directory listing for the directory that has the index.htm in it, any way i can do this?
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12:56<onur>RaZa: just change the DirectoryIndex directive:
12:57<RaZa>no, i can make it bring up the index, what i want is then to have the option to have a directory listing of the directory with the index
12:57<RaZa>*in it
12:58<onur>RaZa: you can only add header or footer
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12:58<valdyn>RaZa: you can do that via symbolic link
12:58<valdyn>RaZa: for the site and for the files
12:59<valdyn>RaZa: doing it via cgi would be overkill, i guess
12:59<RaZa>valdyn: so how do i set that up?
12:59<valdyn>RaZa: like you set up any site
12:59<RaZa>valdyn: its been too many years since ive touched apache :p
12:59<valdyn>RaZa: ok, im not your apache howto
12:59<RaZa>valdyn: yeah, yeah, no probs
13:00<valdyn>RaZa: set up an extra site for that symlink that links back to /var/www
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13:00<RaZa>now ive got the jist, google and my aging memory should do the rest :P
13:00<valdyn>RaZa: extra Directory within your site even
13:00<valdyn>RaZa: <Directory /var/www/> you got already, but <Directory /var/www/mylink> you can create
13:01<RaZa>i see what you're saying now
13:01<RaZa>so say i wanted to directory list root, simply symlink it under a directory with no indexed file
13:01<RaZa>good thinking :)
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13:03<themill>RaZa: the DirectoryIndex directive is settable either in vhost or directory context, so you can have index.htm not being a valid DirectoryIndex for or for with a symlink for the docroot for those two. Ugly, but effective.
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13:04<RaZa>ah, more good thinking o_-
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13:04<RaZa>you mean set it up on a per-directory basis?
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13:05<RaZa>hmm, if i had a root of a website set to /var/www then how would i create a hyperlink to the system root?
13:05<RaZa>would a symlink be allowed?
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13:06<valdyn>RaZa: already set in the default debian config
13:06<themill>tias! If not, then "Options SymLinksIfOwnerMatch" might be warranted.
13:07<RaZa>so yes, symlink would work off the cuff?
13:07<RaZa>sounds a little insecure :p
13:08<RaZa>themill: that option would simply be dumped in the main apache2.conf file yes?
13:08<valdyn>RaZa: maybe you should familiarize yourself with debians apache2 config first
13:09<RaZa>maybe, but its something i normally only need once every 2 to 3 years, so i have better ways to spend my time
13:09<RaZa>well, thaks guys uve been a great help
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13:09<themill>RaZa: I can't recall if it's needed or not by default -- valdyn says that it's not. If it is needed, then I'd put it into the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<sitename> file. See /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian
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13:10<RaZa>themill: ok, cheers... but wouldn;t the sites available file be better?
13:10<RaZa>directory even
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13:10<themill>RaZa: sites-enabled/* should be links into sites-available/
13:11<RaZa>cheers :)
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13:14<valdyn>themill: nah, i said its in there in default debian config
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13:23<EagleScreen>can grub from Sid boot from a ext4 partition?
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13:31<ryoko>Hey! What happened to iceape?
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13:32<Some1whoisntme>Iceape isn't in lenny, right?
13:32<Some1whoisntme>I'm playing with debian-live and I hit a roadblock I didn't expect.
13:32<Some1whoisntme>Icedove is the email client
13:33<ranix>ah you're right
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13:33<ranix>seems to be removed
13:33<Some1whoisntme>can I apt-get install seamonkey now?
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13:33<Some1whoisntme>enough of this stupid free-ware b.s.
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13:35<themill>!iceape lenny
13:35<dpkg>Iceape, the unbranded version of Mozilla Seamonkey for Debian is not in Lenny. See and
13:35<Some1whoisntme>!iceape sid
13:35<Some1whoisntme>this is a silly ordeal
13:35<weasel>I'd demand a refund
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13:36<Some1whoisntme>i'm liking sid more and more
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13:37<Some1whoisntme>why would vlc build-depend on iceape-dev or icedove-dev
13:37<Some1whoisntme>does that make sense?
13:37<Some1whoisntme>i don't need icedove for vlc, do I?
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13:40<wuseldusel>does anyone else have problems with "python-elementtree"? apt cant remove it or install it correctly ...
13:40<Some1whoisntme>if apt can't remove it, maybe it's not the right name
13:40<Some1whoisntme>right package name*
13:40<Some1whoisntme>what's the error message?
13:41<gsimmons>wuseldusel: See bug #524303 in the BTS.
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13:41<LFH>how can I rip a dvd (a .vob file) and make a .ogv file?
13:42<Some1whoisntme>look it up
13:42<arthur_>Hi, I am trying to write an init script for a python program. Can I call the python program via python in a case statement?
13:42<amphi>LFH: mencoder, for one
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13:43<Some1whoisntme>i don't know the answer, wuseldusel
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13:43<wuseldusel>Some1whoisntme: gsimmons was corret ->
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13:45<Some1whoisntme>so, what happened to the mozilla-type seamonkey?
13:45<Some1whoisntme>is that gone for good?
13:45<Some1whoisntme>because I liked that
13:46<Some1whoisntme>it should be in the pool, right?
13:46<Some1whoisntme>so, i can just ignore this babble?
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13:46<LFH>amphi: I know I should use mplayer but each webpage I look shows mplayer with different options. I just want plain vanilla .ogv without fancy menus and all
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13:49<Some1whoisntme>well, #1 I think removing iceape is stupid
13:49<Some1whoisntme>#2 I think there is more to removing iceape than meets the eye
13:49<Some1whoisntme>wasn't it like the only browser that enabled a save feature for youtube videos?
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13:49<Some1whoisntme>because I don't remember a package that embedded in iceweasel the same
13:49<Some1whoisntme>probably something more to this
13:49<Some1whoisntme>perhaps just a conspiracy theory
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13:50<Some1whoisntme>of course, the flash packages that could be installed for iceape were annoying and unstable
13:50<Some1whoisntme>however, the packages did have a way of allowing a user to bypass youtube security and just download the video
13:51<amphi>Some1whoisntme: it's easy to save youtube vids with the youtube script; just pass '-dumpstream' or whatever to it
13:51<Some1whoisntme>i don't need a script
13:51<Some1whoisntme>with iceape I can right-click
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13:51<valdyn>Some1whoisntme: im not sure why an iceape plugin should behave any different in iceape than iceweasel
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13:51<Some1whoisntme>i'm not sure either
13:51<valdyn>Some1whoisntme: so maybe thats just you
13:51<Some1whoisntme>but I haven't found something similar
13:51<amphi>I don't have flash installed here (or gecko for that matter)
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13:52<valdyn>Some1whoisntme: the plugins are the same, the component that displays the web page is the same
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13:53<valdyn>Some1whoisntme: so rightclick on a flash app or look at about:plugins to see which plugin it is
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13:57<Zandoz>join #debian
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13:58<amphi>Zandoz: you are already there
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13:59<Zandoz>I got a problem
13:59<Some1whoisntme>so do i
13:59<Zandoz>Just installed Debian, but now I got a message: Out of Range
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13:59<Some1whoisntme>isn't that RAM or CPU?
14:00<Zandoz>Well, normally its the frenquenty, but cant cahnge that in screen resolution
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14:01<EagleScreen>I need ieee80211_crypt_tkip kernel module
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14:02<pipo>Guten Abend!
14:03<pipo>i've got a problem with my wifi usb stick... can anyone help me?
14:03<dpkg>Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. See <opera apt>, Not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. #opera @
14:03<Some1whoisntme>!opera lenny
14:03<gsimmons>pipo: You'll first need to state your problem.
14:03<gsimmons>!tell pipo -about ask
14:04<Zandoz>I got a problem with a message: out of range
14:04<pipo>i dont know what to do first.
14:04<Some1whoisntme>!opera sid
14:04<Some1whoisntme>Is there a reason I'm seeing opera listed in synaptic?
14:05<Some1whoisntme>I know I have the opera repository in sources.list; is that it?
14:05<Zandoz>Read a lot about it, something with, but cant find the solution
14:05<pipo>i have got a tp-link stick
14:05<themill>Some1whoisntme: yes
14:05<gsimmons>pipo: Which model/version/revision, specifically?
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14:06<darthanub>anyone notice unstable broken aptitude and synaptic, removed them
14:06<valdyn>judd: versions aptitude
14:07<judd>valdyn: aptitude -- etch: 0.4.4-4 lenny: sid: squeeze: experimental: 0.5.1-1
14:07<valdyn>darthanub: not at all
14:07<Some1whoisntme>zandoz, what's the video driver?
14:07<valdyn>darthanub: especially considering that lenny ships a *newer* version and probably used to ship the same
14:07<gsimmons>pipo: AFAICT, that should contain a ZyDAS zd1211b chipset.
14:07<gsimmons>!tell pipo -about zd1211rw
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14:08<Zandoz>I got a nvidia graphic card, but I just installed debian
14:08<Some1whoisntme>can you see a GUI?
14:08<Zandoz>GUI, whats that
14:08<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
14:09<Some1whoisntme>well, ideally, you're going to install some nvidia package to make your driver work
14:09<Some1whoisntme>but if you can't use a gui
14:09<Some1whoisntme>then you're going to use a TUI through the terminal
14:09<Zandoz>whats a gui?
14:09<Some1whoisntme>graphical user interface
14:09<Zandoz>oo, I got that
14:09<Some1whoisntme>tui = textual user interface
14:09<gsimmons>pipo: No private messages, please. You'd want to follow the procedure at regarding firmware installation and interface configuration.
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14:10<valdyn>darthanub: i guess you should not be using sid
14:10<valdyn>darthanub: if you remove aptitude just because that held back installing a new apt
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14:11<Zandoz>So what do i need to do?
14:11<valdyn>Zandoz: already done reading the wiki?
14:12<Some1whoisntme>learn to read stuff
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14:12<Some1whoisntme>one day you'll be able to tackle the debian-live material like i've been doing today
14:12<Some1whoisntme>garbled editing and bad penmanship
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14:12<pipo>i'm sorry, i'm new in this linux and irc stuff. what means "deb: command not found"?
14:12<valdyn>pipo: what it sais
14:12<Some1whoisntme>means the command wasn't found
14:12<Some1whoisntme>the program to execute, the program to use, etc.
14:13<valdyn>pipo: trying to run "deb" made it throw an error "command not found", which refers to "deb"
14:13<Zandoz>Well, I guess I need a free nvidia driver
14:13<themill>pipo: it means you should be trying to edit your sources.list
14:13<themill>(not run those lines at the command line)
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14:14<valdyn>darthanub: why are you showing off your sources.list?
14:14<darthanub>the link posted before that is why
14:14<valdyn>darthanub: you are using sid, so you are confronted with broken packages, news at 11
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14:15<Zandoz>I done reading the wiki
14:15<darthanub>anybody have an idea why? Or have seen this issue at all?
14:15<Some1whoisntme>i don't know why
14:15<valdyn>darthanub: i just told you why
14:15<Some1whoisntme>i don't really use synaptic or aptitude that much
14:15<Some1whoisntme>mine's not broke
14:15<Some1whoisntme>when'd you last update?
14:16<darthanub>before I pasted
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14:16<valdyn>he justed updated
14:16<valdyn>he just updated
14:16<Some1whoisntme>looks like there is a new update
14:16<Some1whoisntme>think i'll wait on it now :)
14:16<valdyn>!sid faq
14:16<dpkg> or (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/squeeze...
14:16<Some1whoisntme>can you mock apt something?
14:16<valdyn>darthanub: next time watch before you actually run the upgrades in sid
14:17<valdyn>darthanub: saves you some trouble, like this one
14:17<valdyn>darthanub: i would just wait till this fixes itself, and use apt-get meanwhile
14:17<Some1whoisntme>darthanub: mock apt-get something
14:17<valdyn>darthanub: that should be very soon anyway
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14:17<pipo>what means it, that the source is "non-free"?
14:18<darthanub>I figured
14:18<dpkg>[dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at, or
14:18<Some1whoisntme>it's gibberish by pseudo-intellectuals
14:18<valdyn>pipo: read ^^
14:18<Some1whoisntme>pipo: don't worry about it
14:18<darthanub>I just thought I'd ask to read the replies
14:18<matth>darthanub: yep synaptic seems to have broken dependencies. I can see that issuing an aptitude full-upgrade". The safe-upgrade does not show the problem though.
14:18<valdyn>pipo: it has some disadvantages for you, but they are of no immediate concern, hopefully
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14:19<valdyn>pipo: basically it means that if they dont do what you want, debian cant help you
14:19<netzwurm>anybody any idea what broke the appletouch touchpad recently in sid?
14:19<Some1whoisntme>was it sid?
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14:19<netzwurm>the kernel module is loaded but the synaptics tap stuff stopped working.
14:19<pipo>ah, okay.
14:19<valdyn>pipo: some different packages however are non-free for slightly different reasons, commonality being that they violate the dfsg, feel free to read that or not
14:20<netzwurm>now i am left without copy n paste which is annoying :)
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14:21<valdyn>Some1whoisntme: funny how gibberish by pseudo-intellectuals is the base for debian
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14:21<Some1whoisntme>funny how iceape is gone
14:21<matth>netzwurm: what kernel ?
14:21<pipo>so, i've donw what's written in but it doesnt work. what can i do now?
14:21<matth>netzwurm: any upgrade recently
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14:22<valdyn>pipo: pay a consultant or tell the channel the actual issues you are having
14:22<valdyn>!tell pipo -about ask
14:22<netzwurm>matth: hm. 2.6.29
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14:23<pipo>i dont know where i can search for WLAN-Networks. In ubuntu i have to click on the two-computer-symbol on the task bar.
14:23<matth>netzwurm: oh ok. because I was about to tell my problems with hw detection on the 2.6.26-2 and that 2.6.29-2 fixed it all :)
14:24<valdyn>pipo: try running "iwlist scan"
14:24<Some1whoisntme>first off, try ifconfig
14:24<Some1whoisntme>see if the device is shown
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14:24<Some1whoisntme>then do an lsmod to see if the module is there
14:24<pipo>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
14:24<Some1whoisntme>if the module ain't there, you aren't going far
14:24<gsimmons>pipo: See also, which was linked from your first document.
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14:24<valdyn>pipo: try "ifconfig wlan0 up"
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14:25<valdyn>pipo: and after that repeat the "iwlist scan"
14:25<pipo>SIOCSIFFLAGS: Die Wartezeit für die Verbindung ist abgelaufen
14:25<gsimmons>pipo: You didn't install the firmware. Install the firmware.
14:25<pipo>i didnt?!
14:25<matth>$ unset LANG
14:25<valdyn>that stupid driver brings the interface up WITHOUT firmware?
14:26<valdyn>pipo: dmesg would show an error about firmware
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14:27<pipo> zd1211rw 8-3:1.0: couldn't load firmware. Error number -2
14:27<Some1whoisntme>there you go
14:27*Some1whoisntme is away.
14:27<valdyn>!tell Some1whoisntme -about away
14:27<GuilhermeCunha>E: Internal Server Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6
14:27<GuilhermeCunha>what is this error ?
14:27<GuilhermeCunha>using apt-get
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14:29<dpkg>hmm... gnash is a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch>
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14:30<pipo>can i look up if the firmware is installed?
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14:30<Some1whoisntme>!tell Some1whoisntme -about gnash_etch
14:30<valdyn>pipo: how do you think you installed it?
14:30<valdyn>!tell Some1whoisntme -about selftell
14:31<pipo>with aptitude install wireless-tools zd1211-firmware
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14:31<valdyn>pipo: so run that command and read the errors
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14:32<dpkg>[stfu] Shut The Fuck Up
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14:32<pipo>there are none.
14:32<valdyn>pipo: ok, remove the module and load it again: "modprobe -r zd1211rw && modprobe zd1211rw"
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14:34<pipo>i think the terminal hung up.
14:34<valdyn>pipo: how?
14:35<pipo>the cursor blinks and blinks..
14:35<valdyn>pipo: hit enter?
14:35<GIOBBE314>bye bye
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14:35<pipo>makes a newline
14:36<valdyn>judd: versions zd1211rw-source
14:36<judd>valdyn: zd1211rw-source --
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14:36<pipo>ah, now it's done. And now?
14:36<valdyn>pipo: iwlist scan
14:36<pipo>wlan0 isn't even shown
14:37<Some1whoisntme>ifconfig wlan0 up
14:37<pipo>wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags:
14:37<valdyn>pipo: which command did you really run?
14:37<pipo>"modprobe -r zd1211rw && modprobe zd1211rw"
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14:38<Some1whoisntme>lsmod | grep zd12
14:38<Some1whoisntme>tell me the output of that
14:38<pipo>zd1211rw 50056 0
14:38<pipo>firmware_class 12544 1 zd1211rw
14:38<pipo>mac80211 162736 1 zd1211rw
14:38<Some1whoisntme>the module is there.
14:39<valdyn>pipo: last lines of dmesg
14:39<pipo>how many? =)
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14:39<valdyn>pipo: a few
14:39<pipo>"modprobe -r zd1211rw && modprobe zd1211rw"
14:39<pipo>im sorry
14:39<desja004>what's the correct debian way to install nvidia drivers?
14:39<pipo>[ 3923.549994] usb 6-1: device not accepting address 4, error -110
14:39<pipo>[ 3923.661956] usb 6-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5
14:39<pipo>[ 3934.626392] usb 6-1: device not accepting address 5, error -110
14:39<pipo>[ 3934.626412] hub 6-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
14:39-!-pipo was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
14:40<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
14:40<desja004>Some1whoisntme: thanks
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14:40<pipo_>i was kicked..
14:40<Some1whoisntme>use codepad
14:40<valdyn>pipo_: remove the wlan stick
14:40<valdyn>pipo_: and plug it back on
14:41<valdyn>pipo_: now read the last lines of dmesg again
14:41<valdyn>pipo_: and dont do these pastes in here
14:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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14:42<tux>how do i change the standard gcc compiler?
14:42<Marciano>hi, all
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14:43<Marciano>someone have problem with installing debian lenny in adaptec scsi 29320-r with seagate 15.5k??? the controller detect the HD but DEBIAN LENNY don't.
14:44<Marciano>with seagate 10.0k I have no problem
14:44<Marciano>but with seagate 15.3k the problem exists
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14:44<Marciano>I search in foruns, but, no sucess
14:44<valdyn>pipo_: ls /lib/zd1211 lists the firmware files?
14:44<themill>!wayttd tux
14:44<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, tux?
14:45<petern>Marciano, if the specific drive doesn't work, sure the drive works?
14:45<tux>i want to change gcc 4.3 to 3.4 for crosscompiling
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14:45<pipo_>/lib/zd1211 doesnt exist
14:45<gsimmons>pipo_: Can you provide more of your dmesg output in a new paste? The last 50 lines should do.
14:45<gsimmons>valdyn: The path sourced is /lib/firmware/zd1211
14:46<valdyn>gsimmons: ops
14:46<valdyn>pipo_: i meant /lib/firmware/zd1211
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14:47<pipo_>yeah, there are some files in it.
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14:47<valdyn>pipo_: your nic is not accepting the firmware for whatever reason
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14:47<valdyn>pipo_: maybe you need to leave it unplugged for a few seconds
14:48<pipo_>i plugged it out.
14:48<Some1whoisntme>is sbackup only part of sid?
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14:48<valdyn>!tell Some1whoisntme -about pdo
14:48<bremner>Some1whoisntme: apt-cache policy sbackup
14:49<Some1whoisntme>can't do that
14:49<Some1whoisntme>i'm playing with debian-live
14:49<pipo_>i've got a general question: is everything so difficult in unix systems?
14:49<valdyn>pipo_: yes and no
14:49<themill>Some1whoisntme: debian live can't access
14:49<valdyn>pipo_: yes with debian and non-free things
14:49<valdyn>pipo_: no with hardware that is supported out of the box
14:50<pipo_>ah, okay, so my usb-stick is garbage?!
14:50<gsimmons>pipo_: Arg. Your output is matching a similar (if not the same) bug reported in
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14:50<valdyn>pipo_: no, it just needs firmware like many do
14:50<valdyn>pipo_: debians support for these things is weak
14:50<bremner>pipo_: the git and emacs channels are full of mac and windows people complaining, so milage varies
14:50<ranix>pipo_: hardware that requires proprietary firmware is garbage, yes
14:50<valdyn>ranix: so thats any hardware
14:51<Some1whoisntme>not chinese stuff
14:51<valdyn>at least i havent seen anything with free firmware yet
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14:51<GuilhermeCunha>E: Internal Server Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6
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14:51<valdyn>pipo_: which debian release is this ?
14:52<pipo_>the newest, i think.
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14:52<valdyn>pipo_: can you show us more dmesg lines?
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14:53<pipo_>i try to ;)
14:54<valdyn>pipo_: did that usb thing work in different distros?
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14:54<pipo_>on vista yes.
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14:54<Marciano>debian lenny 5.0.1 don't find HD SEAGATE 15.3k on ADAPTEC 29320-R. the controller see and configure the disk normally, but DEBIAN don't. someone?
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14:55<KurtKraut>I'm about to purchase an ARM device (N800). How can I browse what packages are availuable for Debian ARM?
14:56<locsmif>KurtKraut, open the repo in your browser
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14:56<valdyn>pipo_: whats the output for uname -r
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14:57<Some1whoisntme>maybe there are conflicting drivers?
14:57<locsmif>KurtKraut, hmm, no, that might be too much's not proactical
14:58<valdyn>pipo_: get the latest kernel from sid and reboot to that kernel. If that doesnt work i cant help you.
14:58<KurtKraut>locsmif: yes... if I set them as repo for a regular x86 Debian install inside a VirtualBox and browse then with Synaptic, would that work?
14:58<cahoot>fwiw the usbID seems to indicate the device should be fully supported by zd1211rw
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14:59<pipo_>how do i do that?
14:59<valdyn>pipo_: sec
15:00<valdyn>pipo_: get that deb file, run "dpkg -i file.deb"
15:00<valdyn>pipo_: if that works without error, reboot
15:00<valdyn>pipo_: it will not remove your old kernel, so it shouldnt break anything.
15:01<locsmif>KurtKraut, don't think so
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15:01<locsmif>KurtKraut, I believe what you want is a list of packages for Arm architecture
15:02<locsmif>I think it's possible, but it should be much easier
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15:02<KurtKraut>locsmif: I want to take a comprehensive look on those packages, like Synaptic does for regular repos.
15:03<KurtKraut>locsmif: look at them separeted in categories, with some description, version etc.
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15:03<pipo_>there was no error, so i'll reboot now. Thank you all and we'll read in a few minutes, i hope.
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15:04<locsmif>KurtKraut, well, for starters, you have:
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15:05<GuilhermeCunha>E: Internal Server Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6
15:05<pipo>so, i'm back again.
15:05<GuilhermeCunha>have solution ?
15:06<pipo>what should i do now?
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15:07<Supaplex>eat a cookie?
15:07<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
15:07<valdyn>pipo: read dmesg
15:07<valdyn>pipo: or already do "iwlist scan"
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15:08<pipo>it seems like it works
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15:09<clodde>Hello. I suspect software raid being the cause of random lock-ups on my lenny, i tried installing lenny on a single disk on the same pc and it doesn't lock up, where could i look for clues?I can't see anything in syslog or dmesg
15:09<clodde>raid1 that is
15:10<valdyn>cahoot: by .26
15:10<valdyn>cahoot: by .26 ?
15:10<ranix>clodde: start by putting a disk on your other IDE/SATA port
15:11<ranix>your main system disk
15:11<ranix>see if you have hardware failure
15:11<ranix>also memtest, the works
15:11<cahoot>by zd1211rw (according to linux wireless' site)
15:11<valdyn>cahoot: yea, well, .26 is probably to old
15:11<ranix>replace cables, blow out internals, etc.
15:11<ranix>clodde: what version of Debian
15:12<gsimmons>valdyn, pipo: A "treat MAXIM_NEW_RF(0x08) as UW2453RF(0x09)" was committed to the driver in early February, which explains device functionality in 2.6.29.
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15:12<valdyn>gsimmons: i did not see that error in his dmesg
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15:12<clodde>ranix: i also did memtest, it's debian lenny, you mean i should try installing into /dev/hdb for a test?
15:13<ranix>clodde: is it a lock-up during install?
15:13<gsimmons>valdyn: MAXIM_NEW_RF was shown in pipo's second dmesg paste (
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15:14<clodde>ranix: no. it's a random lockup, but ONLY when i use raid 1
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15:14<Some1whoisntme> is missing a package
15:14<valdyn>gsimmons: I see, so this is clear now anyway
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15:14<Some1whoisntme>but it's in synaptic
15:14<ranix>clodde: take the system drive and plug it into the secondary ide/sata port and see if it's a hardware failure
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15:15<gsimmons>valdyn: Yep. This'll close off #505143 too. :)
15:15<clodde>ranix: the system drive is in raid...
15:15<ranix>clodde: raid 1 buddddd
15:15<ranix>clodde: just take the other one off
15:15<clodde>ranix: ok
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15:16<ranix>clodde: I suggest checking for actual hardware failure first because it's unlikely you messed md up, and if there were a bug in md that caused lockups that would be horrifying
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15:17<clodde>ranix: thanks, i also installed smart but it shows nothing wrong
15:18<valdyn>GuilhermeCunha: try aptitude instead
15:19<bremner>!tell GuilhermeCunha about br
15:19<GuilhermeCunha>valdyn, not resolve
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15:19<valdyn>GuilhermeCunha: err, dpkg -l only shows 3 packages?
15:19<clodde>ranix: i'm going to remove drive. see you later, thanks btw
15:19<valdyn>GuilhermeCunha: thats hardly a debian install
15:19<GuilhermeCunha>problem ==
15:20<valdyn>GuilhermeCunha: reinstall
15:20<GuilhermeCunha>valdyn, yes only 3 packages
15:20<clodde>ranix: powering down
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15:21<GuilhermeCunha>google not solve this
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15:22<PPP_>todos hablan ingles aqui ¿
15:22<ranix>GuilhermeCunha: cat /proc/version for me?
15:23<PPP_>nunca había estado en un IRC con taantas gentes,
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15:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:24<PPP_>dpkg ups, te quiero mistro
15:24<dpkg>PPP_: no idea
15:24<arschkruste>BIN DA WER NOCH
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15:26<ranix>you got me
15:26<ranix>sorry GuilhermeCunha
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15:27<ranix>I suggest waiting a little while and pasting your dpkg -l output again and ask if anyone else can assist
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15:27<ranix>I have 1,613 packages installed
15:27<ranix>you have 3
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15:27<ranix>that's disconcertint
15:28<Some1whoisntme>tell ranix about smell
15:29<locsmif>I have a question regarding firmwares. As more and more firmwares are split off from their respective sources, will Debian put them all into non-free? If so, what happens if a machine needs a firmware to get a wired nic operational to install Debian?
15:29<Some1whoisntme>maybe; maybe
15:29<ranix>wtf Some1whoisntme
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15:30<Supaplex>locsmif: the lenny installer can load another package for it, i believe from usb key etc.
15:30<clodde>ranix: how do i check raid status please, i thougth i would get some sort of error disconnecting one disk but i got nothing
15:30<ranix>clodde: cat /proc/mdstat
15:31<locsmif>Supaplex, so, in other words, Debian can't be installed on most systems in the future without an usb stick with firmwares
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15:32<locsmif>Supaplex, if that is going to be the case, hasn't Debian been violating its own policies for many years now, as the firmware bit inside the source code was never DFSG-compliant?
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15:33<linlynx6>j'ai essayer de restaurer le grub jai reussi mais dans la liste jai trois distro debian ubuntu et windows je n'arrive plus a aller sur windows il ya toujours des message derreur, quoi faire s'il vous plaît
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15:34<Supaplex>locsmif: you'd have to save the non-free packages to the usb key. if it's available in main, then it could be included with the installer.
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15:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
15:35<locsmif>Supaplex, have you considered that this creates a chicked-or-egg problem?
15:35<Ben90>how do i use flashrom?
15:36<locsmif>Oh well..
15:36<Some1whoisntme>egg came first
15:36<Some1whoisntme>i would say there is a high probability
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15:37<Ben90>i want to flash my gx110 in debian.
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15:37<Ben90>is it possible?
15:37<Some1whoisntme>yeeeeee.. i dunno
15:37<Supaplex>locsmif: how exactly? I believe the installer can askif you want to install additional drivers from disk. it doesn't neccessirly know what drivers they are. if your local storage media needs drivers too, I suppose the user would have to roll their own. How is debian suppose to support their objectives if non compliant drivers were included in the same installer that's considered main/free ?
15:38<Supaplex>Some1whoisntme: stop providing bad advise. you're nothing but a troll for the last 30 minutes.
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15:38<Supaplex>Ben90: what's a gx110?
15:39<Ben90>its a dell
15:39<Ben90>its called the "Dell Optiplex GX110 Series computer"
15:39<TT>ïðèâåò, åñòü êòî èç Ðîññèè?
15:39<max->Ben90: flash the bios?
15:40<Supaplex>Ben90: vendor bios. you'd have to follow their guidelines. check their support site.
15:40<locsmif>Supaplex, I see firmwares for devices that previously never needed firmwares because they had eeprom as nothing but a ploy to force FOSS out of the market based on a weak spot: copyright law.
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15:40<Ben90>i want to try to unlock it somehow no matter what.
15:40<locsmif>Supaplex, but I see your point, I'm just a little bit frustrated
15:41<Supaplex>Ben90: you're likely to own a very expensive paper weight if you fail.
15:41<max->Ben90: unlock? :)
15:41<Ben90>i have a program that supposedly does that.
15:41<Ben90>yes i mean oc
15:41<Some1whoisntme>anyone know anything about debian-live?
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15:42<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. #debian-live on OFTC (
15:42<Some1whoisntme>!live how do I install non-free without a decent TUI?
15:42<max->Ben90: as someone said follow vendors instructions. perhaps create a bootable diskette with the flash upgrade on it, and set main boot device as diskette :)
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15:42<Ben90>thats bs
15:43<linlynx6>ok there is no help in french so there is problem : I have restore grub I succeded except for windows I cannot boot on it why?
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15:43<Supaplex>max-: Ben90 meant overclocking
15:43<Ben90>i know that flashrom can flash proprietary bioses
15:43<Supaplex>if you're so smart, then you can do it yourself.
15:44<Ben90>i have a pentium 3 1000eb and i know it can be oc'ed
15:44<Ben90>but im having an issue
15:44<max->Ben90: is it a secc slot-1 processor?
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15:45<cahoot>in what way is this a debian matter?
15:45<Ben90>when i type "flashrom" i get an output saying the program could not be found
15:45<Ben90>its a socket 370 fpga
15:45<max->ok :)
15:45<Ben90>i get this output "bash: flashrom: command not found"
15:46<cahoot>as root?
15:46<Ben90>i just installed it
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15:47<max->Ben90: i actually was playing with a pentium 3 processor recently. it was possible to adjust the cpu clock selection on the motherboard though, to clock it, dunno how you can do in the bios though
15:47<cesurasean>does anyone know why I can't get postgresql 8.3 started?
15:47<cesurasean>psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory
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15:48<linlynx6>ok thank anyway I will come back later
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15:48<Ben90>i do believe there is a fsb adjust feature that is hidden in bios
15:48<Ben90>but i may be mistaken
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15:50<max->is there no cpu clock selection on the motherboard?
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15:51<Ben90>im not too sure but i think i could make that possible
15:51<Ben90>there is only one setting
15:52<Ben90>ant it sets the cpu in compatible mode
15:53<Ben90>which mean it only slows down the cpu for certain apps
15:53<suzamara>mnmmghnv nbbbb
15:53<max->yep =)
15:53<Ben90>and i want to change that
15:54<Ben90>suzamara stop talking gibberish please
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15:54<max->isn't that in the bios? or is it on the motherboard?
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15:54<Ben90>its in the bios
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15:55<max->on my motherboard there was like 6 swatches that could be set to adjust the cpu clock, dunno on yours
15:55<max->not in the bios.
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15:59<Giovani>a Fabi vai la hj
15:59<ranix>what language is that
15:59<ranix>good lord
15:59<ranix>the man is speaking in Tongues
15:59<Some1whoisntme>Can anyone find metamorphose in
16:00<Some1whoisntme>I know it's in there, but I can't find it.
16:00<ranix>bremner: no no no, it's root
16:00<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
16:00<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
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16:03<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
16:03<Supaplex>use it. :)
16:04<max->irssi king of irc =D
16:04<Supaplex>dpkg: irssi++
16:04<Supaplex>dpkg: karma irssi
16:04<dpkg>irssi has karma of 2
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16:04<Supaplex>!tell Some1whoisntme -about search
16:04<Some1whoisntme>I could have sworn metamorphose was in the debian repository at one time.
16:05<Some1whoisntme>I installed it from the repository.
16:05<Supaplex>maybe it's only in snapshots? is it in bts?
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16:05<Some1whoisntme>I have it in synaptic.
16:05<Ben90>i'm back again
16:06<max->metamorphose sounds like a drug or something
16:06<salim>C'EST QUOI CE charabia?
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16:06<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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16:07<Some1whoisntme>Reading state information... Done
16:07<Some1whoisntme>metamorphose is already the newest version.
16:07<max->did you find anything on tha motherboard?
16:08<salim>je suis un nouveau chaud à fond pour apprendre vu que je n'y comprends pas grnd chose
16:08<Some1whoisntme>salim: habla espanol?
16:08<salim>please help
16:08<Ben90>no its probably in ths bios or something
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16:09<max->Ben90: what's the motherboard?
16:09<salim>yo hablo solamente un poquito espnol
16:09<Some1whoisntme>I don't speak french.
16:09<Ben90>its an intel ca810e dell mobo
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16:10<salim>how to do to learn about linux ?
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16:11<Ben90> max?
16:11<max->brand-name computer like dell is probably harder to clock
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16:11<Ben90>yeah i know that but i bet you any money that i could unlock it
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16:12<Ben90>if i tried
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16:13<Some1whoisntme>i can't find a trace of metamorphose ever existing in a debian repository
16:13<Some1whoisntme>is that crazy or what?
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16:18<ssj789>buon giorno...
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16:19<ssj789>avrei bisogno di un aiuto in una installazione di debian
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16:20<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:20<ssj789>ok grazie...
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16:23<Ben90>i want to flash my system with a linux bios
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16:24<Ben90>is it possible
16:24<ranix>Ben90: did you ever get zsnes compiled
16:24<Ben90>no i'm using zsnes in wine
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16:24<Ben90>ranix, is flashing my system with linux bios possible?
16:25<Ben90>i have a dell optiplex gx110
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16:25<Ben90>the chipset i do believe is an intel CA810E
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16:25<Ben90>or something like that.
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16:27<ranix>Ben90: linux is an operating system kernel
16:27<ranix>BIOS stands for "basic input/output system". It is boot firmware, basically
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16:28<ranix>the two are dissimilar
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16:28<ranix>I have heard that some open BIOS teams have re-used some Linux code when building their BIOS
16:28<Ben90>i know that but i want to get rid of the manufacturers bios
16:28<max->Ben90: i actually looked through the motherboard manual for the ca810e system board, but it doesn't seem like it offers overclocking ability :)
16:28<Ben90>is it possible?
16:29<ranix>Ben90: sure, take the ROM off
16:29<ranix>throw it in the wastepaper basket if you want
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16:29<ranix>bam, BIOS gone
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16:29<Ben90>maybe not in the original bios but maybe a custom bios cold fix that
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16:30<Ben90>all i want to do is change my bios from dell to open firmware or something
16:30<Ben90>i heard of Open Firmware
16:31<Ben90>would it work on my system?
16:31<max->dude open firmware bios customized exactly for your motherboard?
16:31<ranix>I dunno, lol
16:31<Ben90>what do you mean is it possible or not?
16:31<ranix>max-: try not to be mean, Ben90 is 100% serious and he is not a troll
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16:31<ranix>Ben90: it's probably not
16:32<ranix>Ben90: but it's a very strange question that makes me hedge my answer
16:32<ranix>Ben90: the correct answer is more like "your question is inapplicable" or "syntax error"
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16:32<Ben90>ok all i want is to do is make my system have a custom bios/firmware
16:32<ssj4goku>isn't there the openbios project?
16:32<Ben90>is that possible?
16:32<tetsuoo>i cannot connect to the ubuntu irc server
16:32<ssj4goku>this is debian
16:32<ranix>too bad, so sad
16:32<Ben90>i think so. why?
16:33<dpkg>Ops, please ban ssj4goku
16:33<ranix>Ben90: it's possible, but unlikely
16:33<tetsuoo>why is my LAN transfer speed slower than my internet connection??
16:33<Ben90>i just want a custom bios that works on my specific system configuration
16:33<ranix>Ben90: tr -d "just"
16:34<ranix>Ben90: that is not a small request
16:34<ranix>Ben90: it is massive
16:34*max- slaps Ben90 around a bit with
16:34<Ben90>would that at least or remotely possible at all?
16:34<ranix>Ben90: depends how many man hours and dollars you have
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16:34<ssj4goku>go ask someone in china to do it for you
16:34<ssj4goku>it will only cost you $15 or so
16:34<Ben90>i don't want to have to pay for a custom bios when i know that i could get it for free.
16:34<ranix>ssj4goku: they would just pirate something
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16:35<ranix>it would cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars, Ben90
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16:36<ranix>you would have to reverse-engineer the functions of the assembly stored in the ROM of your motherboard
16:36<Ben90>what is tr -d "just" ?
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16:36<ranix>and likely procure documentation for lots of proprietary hardware, such as a northbridge and southbridge
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16:36<Ben90>i already backed up the original bios
16:36<ranix>Ben90: same as a sed /just/d
16:37<Ben90>is that some sort of command?
16:37<ranix>going home! G'night!
16:37<Ben90>so if anything goes wrong i could just go back
16:37<ssj4goku>BIOS are one of the few things people don't fight with in the GNU/Linux world.
16:38<ssj4goku>Matter of fact, people simply adjust their choice in BIOS according to the free source that exists.
16:38<ranix>i.e. one does not get a free bios for his motherboard
16:38<ssj4goku>Otherwise, it would be a large hassle to take a manufacturer's BIOS and try to make an opensource implement.
16:38<ranix>he gets a motherboard for his free bios
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16:39<Ben90>darn it i just want to use a new bios for once.
16:39<ssj4goku>Are you lost in space?
16:39<ssj4goku>ok, you're fine.
16:39<Ben90>i'm on earth.
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16:43<bremner>there was linuxbios, now is is called coreboot maybe?
16:43<ssj4goku>i thought it was openbios now
16:43<ssj4goku>That's what I meant to refer to.
16:44<ssj4goku>People were playing with small distros on their BIOS.
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16:45<Ben90>would that bios thing you specified work on a dell mobo?
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16:46<bremner>Ben90: ask openboot?
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16:46<Ben90>who's that?
16:46<bremner>Ben90: this is not a debian issue. Go the site, and read their list of supported motherboards. Err, coreboot.
16:46<ssj4goku>maybe it would, ben90
16:47<ssj4goku>you need to view the type of mobos listed at the site
16:47<ssj4goku>compare and contrast
16:47<ssj4goku>do some hard thinking
16:47<bremner>and have a spare computer
16:47<ssj4goku>know how to reset the bios
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16:50<Ben90>no but i bet it should be easy
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17:02<Ben90>what channel should i go to for support towards BIOS
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17:09<s4br3>Hi. I just installed 8GB on my dual boot machine with Debian Sid/Experimental amd64 and Vista Ultimate x64. However, when I boot into Debian now I hear a "clicking" noise from the hard drive. What may be the cause? Do I need to fiddle with hdparm because of the added RAM?
17:11<dondelelcaro>s4br3: nope; the drive shouldn't be clicking, regardless.
17:11<dondelelcaro>s4br3: usually that means that the drive is preparing to fail, though it depends a bit on what type of clicking it is
17:12<s4br3>dondelelcaro, But there is no such sound from the Vista... :(
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17:13<s4br3>I had a dying hd a few years ago and that was more like a "scratching" click.
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17:24<dido>oi sou gostozo
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17:43<cesurasean>How come I cannot start postgres 8.3?
17:43<cesurasean>out of box
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17:54<magaly>wenas a todos y todas
17:54<magaly>allguien por aqui
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17:55<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: what's the error?
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18:04<cesurasean>psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory
18:04<cesurasean> Is the server running locally and accepting
18:04<cesurasean> connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"?
18:04<cesurasean>when I run psql
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18:23<bja>Sorry to bother I installed the new binary for the kernel which is 2.6.26-2-amd64 and it will not boot, but the 2.6.26-1-amd does it perfectly. Can anyone help?? I'm unable to find out if it is a bug or if it is a misconfiguration.
18:24<arw>bja: what boot loader do you use?
18:24<bja>menu.lst have the same cmd line arguments for both kernels
18:24<arw>bja: are you sure?
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18:25<chealer>!won't work
18:25<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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18:26<bja>arw: yes i allready checked it twice
18:27<bja>please wait a second while i type the whole error message
18:27<arw>bja: if it is large you can post it on or other kind
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18:28<bja>it is not so large, but i had to write it by hand since there is no shell redirection
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18:33<bja>Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
18:33<bja>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 root =/dev/sda3 ro quiet
18:33<bja>[Linux -b Image, setup=0x3000, size 0x1a9430]
18:33<bja>[Linux-initrd @0x37d13000,0x2dec375 bytes]
18:33<bja>Decompressing Linux ... Parsing ELF done
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18:34<arw>i told him
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18:35<arw>bja: please use or similar
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18:36<bja>arw: ok I am a little unfamiliar with this chat client, Iĺl try to put it where you told me.
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18:37<dpkg>diablo: VATTENE VIA
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18:38<Silicium01>Is there any tool to monitor bandwidth?
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18:39<arw>Silicium01: yes, ii is called bandwidthd
18:39<Silicium01>arw, does it monitor all users/processes?
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18:40<arw>Silicium01: i refer to network band
18:41<arw>and show the services
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18:43<Silicium01>arw, what do you mean?
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18:44<arw>the aplication show you by network service
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18:47<Silicium01>arw, is it bundled with lenny desktop? or are there any gui tools?
18:48<arw>that application has a config files and/or html version
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18:48<arw>but you need some server
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18:49<arw>Silicium01: works fine with apache
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18:51<arw>the results always in html
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18:57<higomatos>oi oi oi
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18:59<bja>arw: I guess you are asking for this url
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19:01<higomatos>i'm begining irc, talk me
19:01<arw>bja: can you show the result of fdisk -l command
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19:02<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:03<arw>bja: a think that the kernel was installed bad or the menu.lst has missmatched info
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19:05<arw>bja: please boot to recovery mode and put the results of fdisk -l
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19:09<arw>bja: ¿?
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19:11<arw>bja: /dev/sda3 is the root partition?
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19:13<Cyorxamp>Lo, I've got a problem where my bash scripts (on 2 different debian boxes) run fine normally, but don't run when ran from crontab... any tips?
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19:13<arw>Cyorxamp: probably is the cron configuration
19:14<Cyorxamp>arw, it's just a debian 5 netinst
19:14<Cyorxamp>cron hasn't been altered, just entering my line into 'crontab -e'
19:15<arw>wthitout more info.. i think that is the cron configuration, sorry
19:15<Cyorxamp>arw, what am I looking for?
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19:16<Cyorxamp>well I don't know what more information you need
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19:16<bja>arw: /dev/sda3 is the / partition it is indeed nearly full
19:16<arw>bja: ok,,
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19:17<arw>bja: the think is: differents kernels needs diferents configurations
19:17<arw>diferents parameters
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19:17<arw>bja: and diferents fstab
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19:18<bja>do you mean that the slight change of the kernel needs a new fstab?
19:18<arw>some times yes
19:19<bja>I thought it needed only to reboot to load the different modules and remap them in the kernel table
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19:21<arw>bja: a lot of times debian deal with that
19:21<arw>but some times...
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19:21<bja>arw: ok so how do i figure out the right fstab
19:22<arw>bja: i am going to give some tipis to solution your problem
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19:22<arw>(i hope that give you the answer)
19:23<bja>arw: thank you a lot
19:23<arw>bja: 1) ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
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19:23<bja>arw: do you speak spanish
19:23<bja> is it more confortable to you to write in spanish??
19:24<arw>bja: here is no allowed
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19:24<arw>bja: pv
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19:25<bja>ok i know due to consideration for the channel i think we'll keep talking in english but if you like i don't mind doing it in another channel
19:27<arw>bja: #debian-es
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19:29<EagleScreen>my computer reboot in place of shutdown when it goes to runlevel 0
19:29<EagleScreen>any idea?
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19:37<Wilduck>hey guys
19:37<Wilduck>I've been building a few programs from source recently
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19:37<Wilduck>and I was wondering where I should be putting them
19:37<amphi>rickbot: that sinister black screen with white font? ;)
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19:38<Wilduck>is there some sort of standard here?
19:38<Wilduck>or is it acceptable to drop them anywhere?
19:38<amphi>Wilduck: default install prefix is usually /usr/local
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19:39<rickbot>amphi: i wonder if there's another charge for logging in as root...
19:39<Wilduck>so, when I extract a tarball, I should do it to /usr/local?
19:40<amphi>somewhere in $HOME; I put such stuff under ~/src
19:40<Wilduck>that's what I've been doing
19:41<amphi>Wilduck: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local [other options] will have stuff installed under /usr/local
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19:41<Wilduck>but what if I haven't been using an install command, just make
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19:41<amphi>Wilduck: make install doesn't work? if it's just a single binary, I just throw it in ~/bin normally
19:41<linux02>hi i have conky set up to start when i log in... it shows up for second then it disappears... can anyone tell me why this happens?
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19:42<Wilduck>I'm not very experienced with this, but I've just been navigating to the directory I extracted to, reading the readme.txt, and then typing "make"
19:42<Wilduck>and letting it go
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19:46<dondelelcaro>Wilduck: the general recommendation is to avoid building them directly from source
19:47<Wilduck>so what should I be doing?
19:47<dondelelcaro>Wilduck: if for some reason you need something that's not in Debian, package it for Debian, or use checkinstall or similar
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19:47<dondelelcaro>Wilduck: if you need a newer version than what is distributed in Debian (even in experimental or unstable), start with the Debian source package, and use uupdate to make a new upstream version
19:47<dpkg>[checkinstall] a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. | Not in etch because of bug #281823 Ask me about <stow>.
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19:49<Wilduck>I wish I had known about this sooner...
19:49<dondelelcaro>the main reason why you don't generally want to install from source is because you can't easily upgrade or remove it, nor does it integrate well with Debian
19:50<Wilduck>yeah, it seemed like that was the case
19:50<dondelelcaro>(and often, if it's not packaged for Debian no one actually uses it)
19:51<Wilduck>so, after installing checkinstall, what is the process for building something from source?
19:51<Wilduck>I extract the tarball, then...
19:52<cirne100>./configure (if necessary)
19:52<cirne100>checkinstall make install
19:53<Wilduck>and then there's a .deb package made somewhere in the process?
19:53<dondelelcaro>Wilduck: what exactly are you building?
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19:53<Wilduck>well, I recently built the sage mathematics program
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19:53<Wilduck>and I'm currently about to build bittyrant
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19:54<dondelelcaro>Wilduck: aptitude install sagemath;
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19:54<dondelelcaro>(it's already packaged for Debian)
19:54<Wilduck>I searched the tubes for a package
19:54<cirne100>checkinstall will build a .deb and install it
19:54<Wilduck>and it said none existed...
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19:54<Wilduck>I guess I failed there
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19:55<dondelelcaro>Wilduck: it's only in unstable, but you can build it for stable if you want
19:55<dondelelcaro>(it has a huge mess of dependencies though)
19:55<Wilduck>I'm using testing
19:55<dondelelcaro>or testing, too
19:55<Wilduck>well, I got sage running
19:55<Wilduck>so I'm fine there
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20:02<Wilduck>when I run checkinstall, do I need to give the -D flag?
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20:21<gravity>sage's raison detre is to have a huge mess of dependencies
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20:29<linux02>conky will start at logon but disapperas right away... can anyone help?
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20:44<stephen>I'm having trouble with screen resolution. When I first began using Debian 5, the screen resolution was 1024x768. Now it is 856x600 and there is no option to change it back.
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20:45<stephen>Anyone there?
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20:46<abrotman>nvidia driver?
20:46<stephen>I don't think os
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20:46<stephen>If it didn't come preinstalled, I don't have one
20:46<stephen>I don't think I have an nvidia card.
20:47<abrotman>lspci | grep VGA
20:48<stephen>Let me try that
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20:49<stephen>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter
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20:51<cirne100>have you already try edit xorg.conf?
20:52<stephen>I didn't know about that
20:52<abrotman>how about using xrandr first
20:52<stephen>Where is that file
20:53<stephen>xrandr: One of the things it said was maximum 856x600
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20:53<stephen>none of the options have 1024x768 or anything higher
20:54<cirne100>before edit xorg do # cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
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20:55<cirne100>find Section "Screen"
20:56<stephen>Identifier "Default Screen"
20:56<stephen>Monitor "Configured Monitor"
20:56<cirne100>and Modes?
20:56<abrotman>really .. try xrandr first
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20:57<stephen>no Modes
20:57<stephen>xrandr didn't help much
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20:57<stephen>I'm not sure what to do with the output
20:57<abrotman>it has a man page
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20:58<stephen>It says that to have the file automatically updated again run a command
20:58<stephen>It's a long one
20:58<stephen>sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
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20:59<stephen>Should I run that? It looks like it would just reconfigure it and maybe set it back to the way things were when I first installed
20:59<stephen>like 1024x768 resolution
21:00<blarson>stephen: It will prompt you, with your current settings as default.
21:01<stephen>Okay, I'm running it now
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21:01<cirne100>try it
21:01<blarson>!tell bja about ask
21:02<stephen>it didn't prompt me
21:02<bja>sorry to bother but I have a laptop with nvidia screen I'm not much for closed source drivers and I'm looking for an open source alternative.
21:03<abrotman>cirne100: why would you think that would do anything ?
21:03<abrotman>bja: you have a laptop ..
21:03<bja>abrotman: yeap
21:03<stephen>blarson: It just said that it backed up the xorg.conf file
21:03<abrotman>stephen: pastebin the output of xrandr
21:03<abrotman>bja: you can use the nv or maybe nouveau driverse
21:04<bja>abrotman: Dell Precission M2400 Nvidia quadro or something like that
21:04<abrotman>doesn't mean a thing to me .. try the nv driver
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21:04<stephen>I can't copy and paste since I'm running ircII on a command line after hitting ctrl-alt-f1
21:04<stephen>but the xserver's still running
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21:05<campeao>dale seus merdas
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21:05<abrotman>stephen: use a web browser ..
21:05<abrotman>campeao: english please
21:05<bja>abrotman: the nv driver seems to be a little back on the new cards, so it doesn't work.
21:05<campeao>yaeh ma mam
21:05<campeao>i speak glish
21:05<abrotman>stephen: or use #flood
21:06<campeao>hey, wich is the best dock system for ubuntu?
21:06<stephen>abrotman: I'll just run another instance of ircII in a xterm
21:06<stephen>just a sec
21:07<abrotman>uhm ok
21:07<abrotman>campeao: you want #ubuntu on
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21:07<stephen2>this is stephen in the xterm
21:07<stephen2>Here's the output:
21:07<stephen2>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 856 x 600, maximum 856 x 600
21:07<abrotman>no way?!
21:07<stephen2>default connected 856x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm
21:07<stephen2> 800x600 60.0 56.0
21:07<stephen2> 768x576 60.0
21:07<stephen2> 720x576 60.0
21:07<stephen2> 856x480 60.0
21:07<stephen2> 800x480 60.0
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21:08<stephen>Well that was some of the output
21:08<bja>abrotman: nouveau drivers any url, running in circles through lots of articles and no download site
21:08<abrotman>stephen: i got enough to see
21:08<dpkg>Nouveau is a project, with the goal of providing open-source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards. Current development status: #nouveau @
21:08<blarson>!tell stephen about paste
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21:10<stephen>blarson: now I know
21:10<stephen>Now I'll restart the Xserver and see if my dpkg-reconfigure did any good
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21:10*gravity notes that nouveau is packaged in experimental
21:11<stephen>after hitting ctrl-alt-bksp it still comes up with the old resolution
21:11<stephen>MaybeI'll have to reboot the computer
21:11<stephen>Do you think that will do any good?
21:13<stephen>Well then, what now?
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21:15<Eurysilas>Hello. In preperation for switching to Debian Stable, I have some questions about the distribution. Shall I ask in here, or would the "Offtopic" channel be more appropriate?
21:16<stephen>Thanks for all your help! I have to go now. I'll be on irc in a few days when I have more time.
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21:16<abrotman>Eurysilas: here is fine
21:16<bja>abrotman: thanks a lot I'll take a look closer into it in a few days
21:18<bja>***gravity: thanks for the warning, i Guess that if i set up an experimental kernel image specifically for this things could work a little
21:19<gravity>bja: Yeah, it's not really trivial. It's still very much pre-release software
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21:20<abrotman>gravity: ISTR you mentioned a tool to tell me which driver X is currently using?
21:21<cesurasean>can anyone tell me why postgres 8.3 won't start? I am getting this: psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory
21:21<cesurasean> Is the server running locally and accepting
21:21<cesurasean> connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"?
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21:23<gravity>abrotman: less?
21:24<abrotman>nah .. i thought there was a tool
21:24<gravity>I don't know of a better way than reading the server log
21:25<Eurysilas>OK. So, I hear that, while Debian Stable has more stability than, say, Ubuntu (since Ubuntu packages I'm told are taken from Unstable), I've also been told that the packages can be REALLY out of date. So, my first question is, are there any updates after the Stable release is finalized?
21:25<penpen>only security updates and bugfixes for the versions frozen in stable
21:26<abrotman>Eurysilas: which packages are you concerned about?
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21:28<Eurysilas>None in particular. I just don't want to hear "You still run THAT old thing? We stopped supporting it months ago. No bugfixes for you! >:O".
21:30<Eurysilas>In other words, if there's an annoying bug, is it fixed with an update to Stable, or....?
21:30<abrotman>depends on the severity of the bug
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21:32<Eurysilas>OK. But there are updates, right? To resolve (major) issues?
21:32<bja>Eurysilas: I recently upgraded a machine still running Sarge (Debian 3.1) to Lenny (Debian 5.0) and it allways recieved the security patches (bug fixes) in a timely fashion.
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21:34<Eurysilas>bja: Oh good. I was just afraid they kind of.....let the packages sit there until the next release.
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21:36<Eurysilas>Well, that alleviates my fears. Thanks!
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22:11<xero>After you've scrubbed all the floors in hyrule, THEN we can talk about Debian
22:13<angasule>uuh, I got a segfault from 'aptitude update' :/
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22:13<angasule>any aptitude command seems to segfault, eek
22:13<angasule>I hope it's just hibernation being funky
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22:17<fbom>hey everyone. i can't run mocp as limited user. user has been added to audio group, still FATAL_ERROR: no valid sound driver. i can run as root and everything's fine. suggestions?
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22:18<angasule>mooooooommyyyyy, aptitude, apt-get and apt-cache are segfaulting
22:19<fbom>since this isn't an mocp problem, i thought i'd ask here
22:19<angasule>and I don't have gdb :(
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22:21<fbom>angasule: apt-get -f install ?
22:21<fbom>sans the '?'
22:21<fbom>you may also try removing apt cache in /var/cache/apt/
22:21<chealer>fbom: what is mocp?
22:22<fbom>music on console
22:22<chele>#join /
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22:24<angasule>fbom: thank you very much :) it was either pkgcache.bin or srcpkgcache.bin
22:24<fbom>angasule: you bet
22:25<xero>old trick, but still good. No more offtopic, I promise
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22:34<abrotman>chele: please stop spamming
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22:36<rickster21>hey everyone
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22:40<cesurasean>Can anyone tell me why I can't get postgres 8.3 started?
22:40<cesurasean>is this clearly a bug?
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22:41<blarson>cesurasean: Have you looked for errors in log files?
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22:41<cesurasean>No, but I get an error when I do psql from the command line
22:41<cesurasean>server:/etc/init.d# psql
22:41<cesurasean>psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory
22:41<cesurasean> Is the server running locally and accepting
22:41<cesurasean> connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"?
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22:43<cesurasean>where does postgres log files?
22:43<arcodec>how long has gnome been broken in sid?
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22:45<blarson>cesurasean: Look in /var/log/
22:45<arcodec>best way to fix gnome in sid? pointers?
22:45<abrotman>check the bts
22:45<cesurasean>yeah, but where in /var/log? :)
22:45<cesurasean>I already looked in syslogd, but didn't see anything.
22:45<abrotman>cesurasean: uhm .. is postgresql running or not?
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22:46<cesurasean>some of the postgres files are loaded
22:46<cesurasean>im not sure the postmaster is running though
22:47<cesurasean>postgres 19494 0.0 0.5 42036 5072 ? S 14:44 0:01 /usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/bin/postgres -D /var/lib/postgresql/8.3/main -c config_file=/etc/post
22:47<cesurasean>but, there is about 4 or 5 processes of postgres running
22:48<cesurasean>this is clearly some kind of bug for postgres 8.3 package
22:48<cesurasean>I just need to know the work around for it.
22:49<cesurasean>or do I just need to use the older postgres and wait on an update?
22:49<abrotman>so does that socket exist ?
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22:49<cesurasean>that socket does not exist
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22:51<cesurasean>does anyone know where the error log for postgres is?
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22:52<chealer>cesurasean: the postgresql channel may
22:52<abrotman>/var/log/postgresql/ ?
22:52<abrotman>/var/log/pgsql/ ?
22:52<cesurasean>thanks, I'm nearly blind it seems. :)
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22:54<cesurasean>2009-04-16 21:54:15 CDT LOG: could not load root certificate file "root.crt": no SSL error reported
22:54<cesurasean>2009-04-16 21:54:15 CDT DETAIL: Will not verify client certificates.
22:55<cesurasean>there is a bunch of other log, but this seems to be the error, maybe
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22:55<abrotman>i don't think that's a killer error
22:56<cesurasean>I don't really see anything else
22:56<cesurasean>I'm really shocked that no one else has used 8.3 on lenny yet
22:56<cesurasean>as they would have encountered the same error as me
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22:57<abrotman>it works fine for me on lenny
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22:57<cesurasean>could it be related to me using an older kernel?
22:58<cesurasean>you think?
22:58<cesurasean>the older version of postgres works fine
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22:58<cesurasean>hold on
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22:58<cesurasean>let me try on my other box
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22:59<cesurasean>postgresql-7.4 works fine
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23:00<cesurasean>yeah, same error on the newer kernel
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23:00<cesurasean>how did yours work out of the box and mine didn't?
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23:09<cesurasean>anyone know how to get this postgres 8.3 running? :(
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23:14<chealer>cesurasean: did you try Google?
23:15<cesurasean>others are having the same problem, but I haven't seen a solution.
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23:15<cesurasean>I don't think I'm search the correct error though.
23:15<cesurasean>Is there not already a bug filed with debian?
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23:18<chealer>cesurasean: the BTS would tell
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23:20<cesurasean>I don't see anyone filed a bug for it, which I don't understand.
23:20<cesurasean>does postgres work for you chealer?
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23:22<chealer>cesurasean: which command are you trying?
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23:22<cesurasean>make sure you are running 8.3
23:22<cesurasean>apt-get install postgresql
23:23<cesurasean>and make sure you don't have 7.4 installed
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23:25<chealer>cesurasean: I'd have to try. you seem to have postgresql 8.3 started already
23:26<cesurasean>yes, but the psql command is not working
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