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00:16<FuzzX>anybody runnin FF 3 ?
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00:18<FuzzX>am running ubuntu
00:19<Xenguy>then WTF are you asking here for?
00:19<FuzzX>looking for a FF 3 user on ubuntu
00:19<FuzzX>cos theres no #ubuntu
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00:20<Xenguy>there sure as hell is #ubuntu
00:20<FuzzX>yeah am on a ubuntu server now
00:20<FuzzX>not here apparently
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01:42<keith>Debian 5 How do I change the ordinary 'user login name'?
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01:58<freebeer>How do i compile & install a module from source-deb using m-a?
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02:01<Torsten_W>freebeer: m-a a-i foo?
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02:03<Familia>hello!! hola
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02:03<xalupeao>i need help whit shellscript | necesito ayuda con un shellscript
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02:04<justin>i installed libflash-swfplayer and libflash-mozplugin but epiphany still doesnt render flash videos. any ideas?
02:06<xalupeao>my script not work case STOP, not killid the process | mi script no funciona con el case STOP, no mata el proceso
02:07<freebeer>Torsten W: Yup :) My mistake was not stripping the .tar.bz2 from installed source in /usr/src...
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02:08<jm_>freebeer: m-a list will-available show names to use
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02:11<chealer>xalupeao: Did you ask your question on #debian-es ?
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02:42<eushaw>where is the place to report apt-get upgrade issues?
02:42<eushaw>like a new package failing to install?
02:44<eushaw>k ta
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02:56<LqR>Hello! I have a laptop with LVM set-up with the "Encrypted LVM" configuration from the Debian installer. However, I'm planning on adding another hard disk, and I'd like to have that one encrypted as well. Would just adding it to my pre-existing volume group from the installer encrypt that disk as well, or is the encryption on a lower (or higher) level?
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03:28<kibil>nama km siapa
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03:29<zobel>kibil: this is a english speaking channel.
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03:30<kibil>bg2 fs
03:30<kibil>bg2 fs
03:30<zobel>kibil: last warning.
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03:31<dpkg>id is, like, 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id
03:32<kibil>iam live in indonesia
03:32<kibil>how are you
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03:33<kibil>bg2 friendster.
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03:36<PiklesOnFire>kibil, did you need support with something?
03:37<PiklesOnFire>what exactly do you need help with?
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03:38<mobil-7k>i think, brains
03:38<goodger>ugh, somebody kick it
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03:41<PiklesOnFire>ty in advance zobel
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03:42<LqR>So, the default Debian "Encrypted LVM" setup consists of a boot partition and an encrypted partition with the LVM data on, am I correct? This would mean I'd have to manually encrypt my extra disk, and then add it to the LVM partition? Could decryption of this second disk somehow be made simultanious with the decryption of the LVM partition during boot?
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03:45<PiklesOnFire>LqR, are you using a gui or just a terminal debian client?
03:46<farid>cr cewe hot
03:46<PiklesOnFire>(i'm not sure if it's possible during boot, but gnome automatically unlocks my encrypted hard disk)
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03:52<ThE_EnD>farid: u crazy?
03:52<goodger>just a tool.
03:52<goodger>possibly a bored, early-teenage tool
03:53<LqR>PiklesOnFire: Both. But what do you mean by "debian client"?
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03:53<LqR>Ah. I'm not using gnome.
03:54<PiklesOnFire>LqR, KDE should be able to do it also, i'm just not sure how to set it up
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03:54<PiklesOnFire>Gnome, all i did was plug it in (external usb) put in the pass, and told it to remember it.
03:54<LqR>Sorry, I wasn't very clear: I'm not using KDE either, or any desktop manager for that matter. :)
03:54<PiklesOnFire>ahhhh, gotcha
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03:55<PiklesOnFire>then idk how much help i can be, sorry =/
03:55<LqR>Ah, no problem. I'll continue digging and see what I can find.
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03:56<LqR>But automatic mount at boot-time might not be such a good idea, as the disk will be at least semi-hot-swappable (it's going to bi in a ultrabay caddy on a thinkpad, meaning it might be unplugged and replaced by a DVD-ROM)
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03:57<PiklesOnFire>LqR, if you did want it unlocked at boot, you could use crypttab
03:57<PiklesOnFire>but, since you said that's prolly not a good idea. a Hal event might be your next best solution
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03:58<LqR>Oooh. Hal's quite scary
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03:58<PiklesOnFire>he's not that bad
03:58<LqR>Maybe ivman?
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03:59<PiklesOnFire>i've never used it tho ;p
03:59<LqR>Actually, I don't have much experience with Hal, I only know it as "that mysterious daemon that sits in the bacground doing something diffuse and vaguely hardware realted"
04:00<LqR>But why not, I suppose it's a good idea
04:00<LqR>Or might be
04:00<PiklesOnFire>lol, i've had my share of toying w. hal. but that was when i ran arch
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04:00<PiklesOnFire>(last week) lol
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04:01<LqR>I remember having to edit some Hal files to make X work back when I was using Gentoo
04:01<PiklesOnFire>mmhm, gentoo + arch are both pretty close
04:01<LqR>But maybe crypttab can be used non-automatically?
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04:02<PiklesOnFire>i'm not sure how crypttab is called during boot, but i'd assume you could write a script to call it whenever you like
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04:03<LqR>Probably. It seems to be read by some init script according to the man page.
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04:04<PiklesOnFire>LqR, /etc/init.d/cryptdisks?
04:05<LqR>Seems so.
04:05<PiklesOnFire>yep, that's it
04:06<LqR>But as far as I can tell, crypttab is only used for boot-time-mounted disks
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04:06<PiklesOnFire>heh, so i'm guessing that calling /etc/init.d/cryptdisks force-start would be your best bet
04:06<LqR>i.e it lacks any equivalent of fstab's "noauto"
04:06<PiklesOnFire>but if the disk isn't present, it may just skip it...
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04:07<PiklesOnFire>as far as removing the disk after it's mounted... you'd just need to unmount it first to prevent data loss
04:07<PiklesOnFire>although, linux is pretty rigid in the field of preventing data loss
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04:10<LqR>Yes, my only experience with data loss is when incautiously removing DAPs before they have finished syncing
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04:12<PiklesOnFire>you could even write a simple bash script to sync the disk, unmount it, and eject it, before you remove it.
04:12<PiklesOnFire>hm, the calling init.d/cryptdisks seems to work on my box :]
04:12<PiklesOnFire>which is good to know. heh
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04:22<LqR>Hm. I wonder if modules have been loaded when the encrypted volumes are decrypted. I'm thinking about using blowfish as cipher, and it's only available as a module
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04:23<PiklesOnFire>i use twofish and it works for me. so i'm assuming they are loaded. idk for sure though
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04:24<LqR>I think twofish' loaded by default, but I'm not sure.
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04:25<llutz>LqR: add blowfish to your initrd
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04:26<LqR>How do I do that?
04:26<PiklesOnFire>add it to /etc/modules
04:27<PiklesOnFire>that's prolly wrong actually
04:28<PiklesOnFire>actually, that looks right, and then you need to run update-initramfs -u
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04:30<seriouslycgi>i need a compiler, what do i install its so i can use it, maybe, one time to install something from svn
04:30<seriouslycgi>or will i have one already on a default debian lenny install?
04:30<jm_>!b-e seriouslycgi
04:30<dpkg>seriouslycgi: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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04:31<PiklesOnFire>seriouslycgi, if you want to get something from svn you also need to install subversion, to build it would be build-essential, as stated
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04:34<llutz>LqR: add needed modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run mkinitramfs then
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04:35<LqR>llutz: Thanks. :)
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04:36<mihkel>Hi. aptitude changelog <packages> gives me this ->
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04:37<mihkel>So there are no changelogs for packages from security repo?
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04:37<mihkel>or what?
04:37<clodde>i'm running my lenny with only hda disk from the raid 1 set up i did because adding hdc i get random lockups. Is there anything else i could try before replacing hdc? Disk seems to be working fine though
04:38<mihkel>I' useing debian lenny
04:38<seriouslycgi>clodde, cs or master slave?
04:38<jm_>clodde: lockups where?
04:39<clodde>seriouslycgi: i set up a raid 1 with hda and hdc and lvm, when using both disks i get random lockups, sometimes i cans still ssh into the pc
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04:40<mihkel>anyone? sources.list file is fine
04:40<seriouslycgi>jm_, PiklesOnFire does b-e give me a compiler cos i went thru the list of needed software it just says: "Also make sure you have a compiler as well as make."
04:40<clodde>seriouslycgi:hda master and hdc slave
04:41<clodde>seriouslycgi: oops, hdc master
04:41<seriouslycgi>is your psu up to it?
04:42<PiklesOnFire>seriouslycgi, yes, it does
04:43<seriouslycgi>jm_, PiklesOnFire nevermind i have b-e and make already :) better to be safe than sorry so thanks for that
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05:02<Razique>hi hi hi there :)
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05:02<Razique>question of the day dudes : do I need to reboot my server after I changed the server name
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05:06<PiklesOnFire>Razique, are you referring to the hostname setting of your server?
05:06<Razique>hi, I need to clean a bit my server : first i'll add the FQDN on /etc/hosts
05:07<Razique>then I'll change the hostname though it will correspond to my dns server's records
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05:07<Razique>it's all about my self signed SSL cert which does not work cuz of this :)
05:08<PiklesOnFire>you would at least need to restart networking
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05:09<Razique>PiklesOnFir : does /etc/...../networking stop
05:10<Razique>then start will be enough ?
05:10<Razique>or it's more a ifdown / ifup
05:10<PiklesOnFire>or just /etc/.....networking restart would work
05:11<Razique>ok thanks, changes regarding the server name are directly effective then ?
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05:11<Razique>if i change /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
05:11<Razique>host* sorry
05:11<PiklesOnFire>it should be enough
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05:11<Razique>ok thanks
05:12<Razique>why the hell did I setup it this way :/
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05:12<PiklesOnFire>idk :p
05:12<Razique>I must have been designate it through the dns server as I use to do
05:12*Razique is dumb sometimes
05:12<Razique>what idk means ?
05:12<Razique>(i"m french :) )
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05:13<PiklesOnFire>idk = i don't know. sorry
05:13<Razique>ok thanks :)
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05:14<Razique>ur name looks like Ted Pikul in ExistenZ btw :D
05:14<PiklesOnFire>haha, thanks?
05:14<Razique>dunno, did ya seen it ?
05:15<PiklesOnFire>haha, nope
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05:17<Razique>if you like weirds movies
05:18<Razique>then have a see :)
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05:18<Razique>the author is David Cronenberg, the one who made The naked lunch for instance
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05:23<tux>does somebody know why this error appears?
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05:46<seriouslycgi>im trying to install via svn without scripts (enlightenment 17) do i just make then make install all the libraries? as here:
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05:50<scientes>seriouslycgi, just do apt-get builddep e17/experimental
05:51<scientes>seriouslycgi, just do apt-get builddep experimental/e17 , i think that should work
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05:54<seriouslycgi>scientes, thats probably a wise idea
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05:55<seriouslycgi>scientes, E: Invalid operation builddep
05:55<scientes>you have to add experimental to your sources
05:56<scientes>and you may have to do it something like apt-get -t experimental build-dep e17
05:56<jm_>it's build-dep indeed
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05:56<scientes>ahh yes
05:56<seriouslycgi>oh just put experimental at the end of the normal repos?
05:56<scientes>and then apt-get update
05:56<seriouslycgi>and build-dep
05:56<florian>hey folks, I want to subscribe to a debian mailing list, I sent the CONFIRM message yesterday but i did not receive any answer yet and I did not receive mails of the mailing list yet. Where could the procedure have failed ?
05:56<scientes>florian, try the web form, idk
05:57<scientes>florian, try resending the CONFIRM making sure the number is there
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06:01<florian>scientes: I already did it 2 times
06:01<scientes>can you recieve any mail? is the return address valid? otherwise i have no idea
06:02<florian>yes it is... and yes i receive email...
06:02<florian>ok thanks anyway
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06:11<seriouslycgi>can someone Please :) give me an example of adding experimental to my repos, it wont update for me: W: Failed to fetch Unable to find expected entry experimental/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
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06:12<nas>guys is there any debian package that automates server checking?
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06:13<nas>that is if i need to check whether configuration files are in place or whether a certain package is installed in a particular server
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06:13<nas>whether going through each of those server manually
06:13<nas>without going through each of those server manually*
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06:15<ThE_EnD>Who is a good understanding of openVPN? I have one question
06:15<scientes>dpkg ask
06:15<seriouslycgi>scientes, thanks :)
06:15<scientes>!dpkg ask
06:15<scientes>`dpkg ask
06:15<scientes>dpkg tell ThE_EnD ask
06:16<scientes>whatever, ThE_EnD: JUST ASK THE FUCKING QUESTION
06:16<scientes>its considered bad etiquite to ask to ask
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06:16<azeem_>scientes: please don't write in all caps
06:16*dmitry is away: Gone away for now
06:16<azeem_>that's bad etiquette
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06:17<azeem>dmitry: please turn off public away
06:17<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:53:27 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: [Server] Peer Connection
06:17<ThE_EnD>> Initiated with 213.248.÷.÷ :6868
06:17<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:53:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: SENT CONTROL [Server]:
06:17<ThE_EnD>> 'PUSH_REQUEST' (status=1)
06:17<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:53:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: PUSH: Received control
06:17<ThE_EnD>> message: 'PUSH_REPLY,route,route,ping 10,ping-restart 12
06:17<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:53:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: OPTIONS IMPORT: timers
06:18<ThE_EnD>> and/or timeouts modified
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:53:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: OPTIONS IMPORT:
06:18<ThE_EnD>> --ifconfig/up options modified
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:53:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: OPTIONS IMPORT: route
06:18<ThE_EnD>> options modified
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:53:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: Preserving previous
06:18<ThE_EnD>> TUN/TAP instance: tun1
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:53:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: Initialization Sequence
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Completed
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: [Server] Inactivity
06:18<ThE_EnD>> timeout (--ping-restart), restarting
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: TCP/UDP: Closing socket
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]:
06:18<ThE_EnD>> SIGUSR1[soft,ping-restart] received, process restarting
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:28 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: Restart pause, 2
06:18<ThE_EnD>> second(s)
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:30 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: IMPORTANT: OpenVPN's
06:18<ThE_EnD>> default port number is now 1194, based on an official port number assignment by IANA. OpenVP
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:30 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: WARNING: No server
06:18<ThE_EnD>> certificate verification method has been enabled. See
06:18<ThE_EnD>> for m
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:30 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: Re-using SSL/TLS context
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:30 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: LZO compression
06:18<ThE_EnD>> initialized
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:30 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: Control Channel MTU
06:18<ThE_EnD>> parms [ L:1542 D:138 EF:38 EB:0 ET:0 EL:0 ]
06:18<azeem>ThE_EnD: use a pastebin
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:30 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: Data Channel MTU parms [
06:18<ThE_EnD>> L:1542 D:1450 EF:42 EB:135 ET:0 EL:0 AF:3/1 ]
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:30 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: Local Options hash
06:18<ThE_EnD>> (VER=V4): '41690919'
06:18-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
06:18<ThE_EnD>> Apr 17 16:57:30 Maestro ovpn-client[4367]: Expected Remote Options
06:18<ThE_EnD>> hash (VER=V4): '530fdded'
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06:18<azeem>ThE_EnD: please see the topic
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06:18<azeem>do NOT flood the channel
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06:21<seriouslycgi>scientes, do i need dig and squeeze to install from experimental?
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06:22<scientes>you probably need sid
06:22<azeem>seriouslycgi: what are you trying to do?
06:22<scientes>build e17
06:22<scientes>just instal from experimental binary
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06:23<seriouslycgi>ok kewl ill give it a shot now thanks for the help
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06:26<seriouslycgi>:( E: Build-dependencies for e17 could not be satisfied.
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06:26<amphi>heh, e17
06:26<azeem>seriouslycgi: why do you want to build it?
06:26<seriouslycgi>i find it faster to work in
06:27<azeem>I mean as opposed to installing the packages?
06:28<seriouslycgi>i dont know lol i was installing from svn i dont know i just want it installed
06:28<seriouslycgi>azeem what do you suggest?
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06:30<urbinek>hi, how can i : completely shutdown(stop spinning) ATA HDD ?
06:30<jm_>urbinek: hdparm
06:32<urbinek>ok, thx
06:33<urbinek>jm_: will turning on/off affect in some way to hdd ?
06:33<jm_>urbinek: yes, most desktop drives aren't designed for continous on/off cycles
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06:35<urbinek>jm_: i mean, i want to keep it off for most of time and active one per week to make backup
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06:35<jm_>urbinek: well that's OK
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06:37<urbinek>k :D
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06:38<urbinek>jm_: for backup tar will be enough or shoul i use somthing else ?
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06:39<jm_>urbinek: it depends on your backup strategy, rdiff-backup can also be very useful
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06:41<jm_>dpkg is not here
06:41<seriouslycgi>scientes, "you probably need sid" you mean squeeze?
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06:42<jm_>seriouslycgi: no, sid is unstable
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06:42<urbinek>jm_: i wanna to 2kinds, 1 backup config files - separata backup file for each week and 2 'some stuff' - add new files to existing backupfiles
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06:42<seriouslycgi>jm_, ok so like this: deb-src sid main
06:43<jm_>urbinek: rdiff-backup can keep old versions, it also does incremental backups, but pretty much any decent backup software will do what you need, even the simple ones like dobackup
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06:44<ssj4goku>does lenny use module-assistant?
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06:44<urbinek>jm_: thx, :D
06:46<jm_>ssj4goku: it can yes
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06:47<ssj4goku>i thought lenny was moving away from module-assistant
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07:01<amanda-b>so i'm trying to jack with a text file, conf-split. nano conf-split gives me a new file. cat conf-split gives me data in the file; vi conf-split gives me data. what gives?
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07:13<freebeer>How do I make xserver-xorg autodetect my 945 graphics card?
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07:13<freebeer>or just plain detect...
07:13<freebeer>Tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
07:13<freebeer>No luck
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07:14<jm_>freebeer: start it
07:17<freebeer>did that already. resulting xorg.conf has neither Section Fontpath, Section Module, Section InputDevice (mouse) or Section Device (graphics)
07:17<jm_>it doesn't need that
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07:19<freebeer>All sections (Except Section InputDevice (kbd)) are empty apart from name. That's not much of a xorg.conf, eh?
07:20<jm_>that's the standard nowadays
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07:21<freebeer>Ok then. Where do you suggest i put my accelerated driver spec, the mods needed for composite and whatnot?
07:22<freebeer>Oddly, the other debian-box i have right here has a nice xorg.conf, containing all that stuff.
07:22<jm_>you'll need to write it manually
07:23<jm_>(if you really need it that is)
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07:44<duhongbo>had there anyone installed oracle-xe 10g
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07:44<duhongbo>for help i can't find the file /etc/init.d/oracle-xe when i install oracle-xe 10g
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07:45<jm_>duhongbo: you need to ask elsewhere, debian doesn't have anything to do with it
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07:46<duhongbo>what's is it used for
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07:49<bremner>duhongbo: is debian supported by oracle?
07:50<bremner>so ask them for support :-)
07:50<duhongbo>there is a package for it
07:50<bremner>from oracle
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07:52<lunix> Próxima creación del PIP - Partido Independiente del Pueblo.
07:52<lunix> 1) Abogamos por una politica limpia y transparente, estableciendo unos canales estrictos de control
07:52<lunix> hacia toda persona pública que se dedique a la política, siendo el pueblo, es decir personas que no
07:52<lunix> se dediquen a la politica los encargados de este control y ajenos a cualquier partido politico.
07:52<lunix> 2) Este partido pertenece al pueblo y solo el pueblo decidirá sobre sus bases, es decir , sobre los derechos
07:52<lunix> y obligaciones de sus afiliados, formas de afiliarse, asi como la elección de los mandatarios, que siempre
07:52<lunix> será por mayoría y democráticamente.
07:52<lunix> 3) El fin de este partido politico es conseguir para el siglo XXI , que la politica avance hacia la verdad y la
07:52<lunix> transparencia gracias al primer punto, y consecuentemente a un mundo con futuro.
07:52<lunix> Porque creemos en que la politica debe avanzar y con ello el Mundo.
07:52<lunix> Luis C.M. 35 años, soltero sin hijos. No es amigo de nadie y conoce a todo el mundo.
07:52<lunix> Simplemente el Fundador del Partido.
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07:52<lunix> Si quieres ser parte del proyecto, la decisión es tuya.
07:52<lunix> Teléfono de contacto: 630 16 92 85
07:53<lunix> Viva la Democracia, Viva España, Viva el Mundo.
07:53<duhongbo>thans bremner
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07:53<ringo999>using gnash mozilla plugin, when i browse to webpage that i.e. has several youtube videos embeded, i can see each video gets a process gnash-gtk using around 20% cpu even though the clips are not running. is that supposed to be like that?
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08:32<Razique>hi hi
08:32<Razique>does anyone knows Zimbra ?
08:32<Razique>kinda hard to run it with Lenny
08:33<Razique>it haz to be installed on a Etch box
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08:41<bremner>Razique: what is the license?
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08:52<sander_m>Hello. Is anyone familliar with approx? I am getting 404 errors on machines that use the approx server to get updates. I can't figure out why that is.
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08:59<Razique>bremner ?
08:59<Razique>ah, it's the open source server
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09:04<ringo999>how can i test if pcspkr is working? I got the module loaded, but echo -ne "\a" will not produce a sound. I'm using xfce terminal and the MiscBell option is actiated...
09:05<cahoot>might be it's run via alsa - see if alsamixer offers the option
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09:06<cahoot>snd-pcsp is the module IIRC
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09:07<jm_>ls -l /sys/class/sound/card*/device/driver
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09:08<amanda-b>are there instructions somewhere that will tell me how to remove exim without installing another mta and without ripping out huge hunks of my system that are mta-dependent?
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09:08<jm_>ringo999: also, if you're in X make sure bell is enabled, for console setterm controls it, and it can be made inaudible
09:08<jm_>amanda-b: check out equivs
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09:11<ringo999>jm_: ive never used setterm before, do you know the parameters?
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09:11<jm_>ringo999: man page lists them, blength and bfreq
09:13<_infidel_>how come when i use hdparm -i /dev/sda i get invalid argument error?Thanks in advance
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09:14<_infidel_>how come when i use hdparm -I /dev/sda i get invalid argument error?Thanks in advance
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09:14<ringo999>jm_: didnt help
09:15<jm_>ringo999: are you in X or console?
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09:16<ringo999>i'm in X using xfce terminal
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09:16<jm_>well then setterm won't help you, X has its own tool sfor configuring this
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09:18<ringo999>jm_: i'm quite lost on this, any other ideas?
09:19<jm_>ringo999: man xset
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09:23<jm_>i.e. `xset b on' to enable it
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09:24<jm_>if this doesn't help investigate in the direction cahoot mentioned (cat /proc/asound/cards and that ls -l command will reveal enough to determine if that's the case)
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09:25<bremner>Razique_: If it has never been in debian, file a request for package bug (reportbug wnpp). If it was removed from etch, try to find out why first.
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09:47<azeem>dmitry: please turn off public away
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09:48<bremner>also public non-away :-)
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10:07<toto>ciao a tutti
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10:07<toto>sapete dire cm faccio a scaricare da mirc
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10:10<RainCT>My mouse doesn't work properly since yesterday (and the touchpad doesn't work at all). Does anyone else have the same problem? And, is there some way to find out what are the latest updates I installed, to see if those might be the problem?
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10:12<ranix>RainCT: is it good touch or bad touch
10:13<RainCT>ranix: Sorry?
10:13<FilipeMaia>Is there a problem with gnutls in sid? I just did an update and my ldap with TLS stopped working.
10:13<FilipeMaia>Also does anyone know when fglrx-driver will be usable in sid?
10:14<ranix>RainCT: check your xorg.conf for pointer problems, maybe run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
10:14<ranix>RainCT: check dmesg for problems when plugging the pad into the usb port
10:14<ranix>RainCT: should be able to use /dev/input/mice as your pointer device with xorg
10:15<ranix>FilipeMaia: my guess is never
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10:15<ranix>FilipeMaia: fglrx has never been what I'd describe as usable
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10:17<FilipeMaia>ranix, i've been using it before
10:17<FilipeMaia>ranix, i think it just broke with the last xorg
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10:18<FilipeMaia>ranix, what do you suggest me to use?
10:18<xente>hey, did anyone else comp break when it tried to upgrade acpid?
10:18<ranix>FilipeMaia: use the OSS ATI driver if possible, use fglrx if you have to
10:18<FilipeMaia>ranix, which one is the OSS?
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10:19<ranix>FilipeMaia: as always, prepare to fuck with it for minimum 6 hours before it works right
10:19<ranix>FilipeMaia: 'ati'
10:19<FilipeMaia>i see radeon ati r128
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10:19<ranix>it's not 'ati'
10:19<ranix>it's 'radeon'
10:19<FilipeMaia>and mach64
10:19<FilipeMaia>I'm using radeon now
10:19<ranix>r128 is for an old RIVA card iirc
10:19<ranix>not sure though
10:19<FilipeMaia>it's rather slow
10:19<ranix>it is
10:20<RainCT>ranix: dmesg shows it being detected correctly, and xorg.conf is almost empty (everything autodetected) and I didn't touch anything there
10:20<ranix>but considering the time I have spent getting the fglrx driver working
10:20<ranix>I have to wonder if it is not worth my time to just put up with the slow of radeon
10:20<ranix>the time wasted might be less than the time I configure drivers
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10:21<FilipeMaia>well it's actually still usable
10:21<gravity>It's probably the mtrr bug
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10:22<gravity>FilipeMaia: Can you cat /proc/mtrr and see if write-combining is enabled?
10:22<RainCT>uhm.. I've just found out that pressing alt and moving the mouse scrolls.. where can this option come from? I want it to just drag windows
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10:22<gravity>RainCT: That's probably due to the switch to evdev. Are you using gnome?
10:23<RainCT>gravity: yes
10:23<gravity>RainCT: Yeah, Gnome needs to catch up with the new keymap. You may be able to do something in the keyboard settings control panel thingy
10:23<gravity>But right now it's just a bug
10:23<FilipeMaia>gravity, how would i see that? It doesn't refer write-combining
10:24<gravity>FilipeMaia: Right, so write-combining is disabled for you. That's a known bug in the kernel that's causing the slowness.
10:24<FilipeMaia>gravity, there's something about write-back
10:25<FilipeMaia>I also have a weird looking red pointer now. Does anyone know how to get a regular black one?
10:25<gravity>FilipeMaia: Yeah, that's different. Once the kernel bug gets fixed, a new kernel release should speed things up for you quite a bit.
10:25<RainCT>gravity: Did that change enter Lenny somewhat like 2 days ago? (which is when I installed the latest updates)
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10:25<gravity>RainCT: lenny? No.
10:25<gravity>RainCT: I thought we were talking about unstable.
10:25<FilipeMaia>gravity, i'm using 2.6.26-1-amd64
10:25<gravity>FilipeMaia: Yeah, even the latest stable release of the kernel has this bug apparently
10:26<gravity>Not sure if a fix is in Linus' tree yet
10:26<FilipeMaia>gravity, ok thanks
10:26<RainCT>Ah. I have a few packages from unstable but I think nothing GNOME related
10:27<gravity>RainCT: X related? What server version?
10:27<FilipeMaia>I found update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme to change the cursor
10:28<FilipeMaia>Does anyone know what theme corresponds to the old simple black cursor?
10:28<gravity>I don't have those themes memorized. I haven't looked at them in ages, sorry.
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10:29<RainCT>gravity: Which component? xserver-xorg is 1:7.3+18, xserver-xorg-core is 2:1.4.2-10.lenny1, xserver-xorg-input-all is 1:7.3+18, xserver-xorg-input-evdev is 1:2.0.8-1, xserver-xorg-input-mouse is 1:1.3.0-1 and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is 0.14.7~git20070706-3
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10:30<gravity>Yeah, core was what I was thinking
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10:30<gravity>All that is lenny stuff. I'm not sure then.
10:31<gravity>Although if you're only just now switching to evdev that could very well cause the problem.
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10:33<RainCT>gravity: thanks anyway
10:34<tommyq>Have a problem with keymap after update - Everywhere I have cz keymap and I would like to set back the default qwerty. In the same time I updated 2 PCs and one have this issue and the second one haven't. Both of theme have set CZ in locales. When I log in on the failure machine and reconfigure console-data, it looks ok and keymap is us_qwerty, but after reboot there is cz again. Anyone knows what to do?
10:34<gravity>tommyq: What version of Debian?
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10:35<tommyq>gravity: Sid actually
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10:35<gravity>tommyq: Try reconfiguring console-setup
10:36<tommyq>gravity: I thought doesn't matter if you reconfigure console-data or console-setup - it's the same thing to reconfigure
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10:36<tommyq>tommyq: But I'm gonna to try it
10:36<gravity>Maybe it is, I don't know much about console-data. But there were some changes to console-setup lately in sid.
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10:40<icf7>Strange problem with virtualbox-ose: Accessing /dev/vboxdrv results in "Operation not permitted", although I am in vboxusers and accessing normal files with "660 root vboxusers" works fine. Any ideas?
10:40<tommyq>gravity: Yes, I notised the font change :)
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10:43<tommyq>gravity: Yop, that was IT :) Thank you very much... nextime I will know that I should check all thiings related to :)
10:44<gravity>tommyq: No problem. Glad it worked.
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10:48<FilipeMaia>My problem with the cursor was caused by kde4 installing fancy xcursor themes, but not installing xcursor-theme core and so it change my cursor
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10:49<pawel>how to add ssh key to known hosts?
10:49<FilipeMaia>pawel, they are usually added automatically
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10:50<FilipeMaia>pawel, do you want to do it manually?
10:50<pawel>RSA host key for has changed and you have requested strict checking.
10:50<pawel>Host key verification failed.
10:51<pawel>and it exits
10:51<FilipeMaia>pawel, so the key og the host changed
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10:51<pawel>I'm sure it is not man_in_the_middle
10:51<FilipeMaia>pawel, the best thing to do is to remove the offending line if you want to regain access
10:51<FilipeMaia>pawel, ssh will then add the correct one
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10:53<FilipeMaia>no problem
10:53<hansi_>hi adama do you know sow
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10:55<Cadmium01>Is it possible to fade window in gnome?
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11:10<preseeder>preseed is mean ... trying to setup a new preseed.cfg for lenny ... but it halts at detecting the CD-ROM (after _net_booting), I wonder if the initrd lacks e1000e or something
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12:23<pawel>where's dpkg??!
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12:26<ThatProgrammer>Hello I need some help
12:27<ThatProgrammer>PM or something
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12:29<pawel>dpkg isn't threr
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12:34<c420s>is there an easy way to remove the ubuntu delivered glib?, I compliled and installed a new version, but when I try to compile atk it's still finding the old version ???
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12:35<themill>c420s: try asking in #ubuntu on
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12:36<c420s>theMill: Thanks
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12:50<shiznatix>Hello. I just added a new user but whenever I login as them my wireless doesn't start up like it does with the original user as in I don't have the "select networks" thing on the taskbar. How can I solve this?
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12:53<cahoot>shiznatix: right-click on the taskbar and add nm-applet?
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12:54<cahoot>shiznatix: mind you this is just guesswork from me
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13:00<amanda-b>i love spammers. if i ever actually meet one in the flesh, i think i'll leave a permanent impression on his or her spinal column. 16:55:47 up 22:03, 2 users, load average: 238.33, 284.57, 182.43
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13:01<fxiny>238 ? f* verbose :P
13:02<amanda-b>when the disk gets to thrashin ... it kinda ramps up. atm there are only about 5000 emails in the queue for delivery. last night it was up to about 250,000 ... i shut down the smtpd for a while to let it back off.
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13:09<fxiny>i think i must remove ntpdate ,looks like it intereferes with some cron scripts , putting back my clock too fast , could be . somedays , like today , cron forgets to run properly , so , options are : ntp . chrony and open openntpd , i read all apt-cache show <package> , i -d downloaded to read docs , and googled , can't make a decision , any suggestions ?
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13:10<fxiny>it seems openntpd is ligher then ntpd
13:10<pawel>can images be displayed in text mode via SSH? I heard about CLI web browser with image displaying.
13:11<fxiny>w3m ?
13:11<chelkkz>hi everyone !
13:11<amanda-b>pawel: images ... in text mode ... images != text ... uh ... er ... wtf?
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13:15<pawel>abanda-b X displays imges in some way... maybe this browser has similar system?
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13:16<amanda-b>that isn't "in text mode," that is using a graphic-capable protocol, which can be tunneled over ssh.
13:17<pawel>graphic can be tunneled over ssh ???!!
13:18<jrabbit>X11 forwarding
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13:20<linlynx6>Why there is no OP on debian-fr? I have restore grub (hd1,3) but now I cannot boot windows I can boot only Ubuntu & Debian what I do please?
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13:20<bremner>pawel: links2 claims to have graphics mode, not sure how that works. Maybe just a regular X11 based browser
13:20<Torsten_W>linlynx6: "i can't" is not an error message
13:20<bremner>pawel: I remember some vaguely similar discussion on #emacs on freenode
13:21<linlynx6>ok min I restart to see what is the error message
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13:22<bja>amanda-b: how do I google that "graphic-capable protocol, which can be tunneled over ssh)
13:23<amanda-b><jrabbit> X11 forwarding
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13:30<linlynx6>ok do you have a paste bin url I can write or I write directly on channel
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13:35<chouchou>Hello, pls what is the meaning of afaik ?
13:35<ranix>as far as I know
13:35<ranix>similar to IIRc
13:36<ranix>dpkg where are you
13:36<gravity>dpkg is down currently
13:36<ranix>ooooh ok
13:36<ranix>apt, afaik
13:36<chouchou>ah ok
13:36<ranix>I'm worthless without my factoids
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13:40<ml>is dpkg getting an upgrade?
13:41<ml>fxiny: I use ntp
13:41<fxiny>is mourning on Isimov grave :P
13:42<fxiny>ml: ntp ? ok
13:42<ml>fxiny: being using it for a few days np so far
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13:44<ml>fxiny: is what I got from dpkg...
13:44<ml><dpkg> [ntpdate] a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp.
13:44<ml><dpkg> well, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See or for more information.
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13:45<fxiny>ntpdate is deprecated
13:45<linlynx6>someone can help please with my paste,
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13:45<ml>fxiny: just need to change the pool to the closes to you
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13:46<ml>fxiny: according to dpkg
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13:46<ml>but dpkg is not here heh
13:46<fxiny>yes but ntpdate is dumb , it doesn't slow down the clock
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13:47<stuckey>What's wrong with dpkg?
13:47<amphi>it's absent
13:47<ml>down for manitance ?
13:47<ml>amphi: sup
13:47<stuckey>I was going to ask it about terminal emulators...
13:47<amphi>probably boozing somewhere
13:48<ml>I would be too, dpkg never takes a break
13:48<stuckey>What programs do you use to view pdf files?
13:48<Nemoder>pdfedit is ok
13:49<linlynx6>foxit reader
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13:49<ml>evince if you use gnome, if not epdfview
13:50<stuckey>Why is it bad if you don't use gnome?
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13:50<linlynx6>every program except beta pro and adobe pdf
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13:51<ml>stuckey: it is not bad, but wil install gnome stuff you don't need
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13:52<linlynx6>in 263 days will be wich date?
13:52<fxiny>dpkg is lecturing on "the unbearable Isimov law" :P
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13:54<bja>Is there a command line music player?
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13:54<ml>bja: moc is one
13:54<cahoot>mplayer is ine
13:55<amphi>moc is great
13:55<ml>mpd is another
13:55<ml>amphi: yes it is :)
13:55<stuckey>ml: I installed it but then uninstalled it with apt.
13:55<ml>stuckey: ?
13:56<stuckey>bja: you want mocp.
13:56<ml>moc mocp samething
13:56<stuckey>ml: I installed evince but then removed it once you said to try epdf... it's good.
13:56<ml>stuckey: like it?
13:57<ml>moc program name mocp to run it
13:57<bremner>epdf= epdfview?
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13:57<fxiny>xmms2 (DrLecter version) ++
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13:58<amphi>xmms? eewww
13:58<ml>fxiny: eats you music or something?
13:58<amphi>fxiny: I presume you don't use the GUI ;)
13:58<fxiny>ml: i used xmms2 in etch and mpd
13:58<bja>tried xmms2 once and it was awful couldn't get it to work at all
13:58<fxiny>but now i'm back on xmms2
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13:59<ml>hey whatever works :)
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13:59<fxiny>awful ? i run xmms2 via xmonad magic submap
14:00<pawel>is there something that can slow down internet?
14:00<fxiny>no term , just keystrokes
14:00<fxiny>pawel: dumbass politicians ?
14:00<ml>you can do the same with moc
14:01<fxiny>amphi: no gui just cli :)
14:01<amphi>fxiny: comme il faut ;)
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14:02<pawel>I must do it because my family wants to use internet and I am downloading many things which I cant pause.
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14:02<bja>linlynx6: as root type "fdisk -l "
14:02<fxiny>amphi: oui oui , les jeux son fait , gui ne va plus ;)
14:02<ml>linlynx6: it would be helpful if you describe your problem
14:02<pawel>Is there something that can slow down internet? I must do it because my family wants to use internet and I am downloading many things which I cant pause.
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14:03<amphi>pawel: please don't repeat
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14:03<pawel>ml: does not work xD
14:04<fxiny>amphi: la cli c'e' le poisson vite de la mere du nord , la gui c'est une escargot , and Shark Aussy an imbecile :P
14:04<fxiny>this is all the french i know ;)
14:04<amphi>'imbécile' ;)
14:04<amphi>or is that .es?
14:04<amphi>that has the aigu
14:05<pawel>thanks cahoot
14:05<amphi>'le poisson vite de la mer du nord' - c'est bien dit, ça ;)
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14:06<amphi>fxiny: I assume you meant 'mer' ;)
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14:07<fxiny>amphi: la mer ? ok
14:07<simonrvn>ca fait dur en crisse ^^^
14:07<amphi>otherwise, it's 'the swift fish of the mother of the north', perhaps you intended such surrealismus ;)
14:08<simonrvn><-- speaks joual too
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14:08<fxiny>amphi: surrealism++
14:09<fxiny>amphi: the surrealism icon is the Bunuel chicken
14:09<fxiny>avec le plumage "nerdien" :P
14:09<ravenbird>If nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it; we all heard you the first time. more likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg dpkg sicco)), or ask me about "rephrase", or there are people who will refuse to help you at all after you've spammed the channel with the same request.
14:11<fxiny>simonrvn: is ravenbird nesting , this time of the year ? :P
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14:11<stuckey>Does anyone know how I can turn on the spellchecking option in German for VIM?
14:11<stuckey>It's supposed to be "setlocal spell spelllang="de_de" but that doesn't work for me.
14:12<simonrvn>he's still a bachelor
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14:14<ravenbird>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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14:16<pawel>How can I easily limit download speed of program which is already running - trickle must run it first.
14:17<bcw>dpkg is MIA?
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14:17<fxiny>simonrvn: because there is a pavarotti blackbird , around here , singing early in the morning at 5-5.30 , very loud !
14:17<simonrvn>wow, nice
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14:18<bcw>is dpkg down for maintenance or sth?
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14:19<fxiny>nice ? blackbirds are around 7-8 . nutcrackers are at least 9 , i have two old blackbirds nests on my desk
14:19<fxiny>but only one sings like that !
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14:20<bcw>hi Ben90
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14:21<Ben90>can someone help me compile zsnes?
14:22<chealer>dondelelcaro: are you aware that dpkg is down?
14:22<chealer>bcw: yes
14:22<gravity>chealer: He is
14:22<bcw>chealer, ok. thanks.
14:22<chealer>gravity: thanks
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14:24<Ben90>wll, can't anyone help me or not?
14:25<chealer>operators: lenny is out since a while, 4.0r7 too
14:26<chealer>Ben90: just ask your question
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14:26<Ben90>i'm having problems with compiling zsnes
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14:26<valdyn>Ben90: snes9x is in debian and doesnt do what you want?
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14:26<Ben90>i'll pastebin it for you
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14:27<Ben90>i don't like snes9x
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14:28<ml>nice rtorrent 0.8.4 and liborrent 12.4 work great :)
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14:29<Ben90>go to: ""
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14:30<valdyn>Ben90: that is not the first error
14:30<Ben90>what do you mean?
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14:30<valdyn>Ben90: that you did not paste the first error
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14:30<Ben90>i pasted the make output.
14:31<valdyn>Ben90: thats the complete output?
14:31<Ben90>yeah why?
14:31<Ben90>should there be more?
14:31<valdyn>Ben90: not necessarily
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14:31<ranix>hi ben
14:31<Ben90>hi ranix.
14:32<valdyn>Ben90: but if there isnt then you will need to fix the code or get some old version of some library its trying to link against
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14:32<Ben90>should i recompile it?
14:33<valdyn>Ben90: is my wording not clear?
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14:33<Ben90>yeah it is so far...
14:33<faheem>Hi. Can anyone comment on ?
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14:33<Ben90>how would i go about fixing the code?
14:33<valdyn>Ben90: you need to fix the code, so far just the makefile
14:34<faheem>Still no idea what to do about it. Thanks in advance.
14:34<Ben90>ok 1 sec.
14:34<valdyn>Ben90: learn C(++) programming
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14:34<Ben90>hang on.
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14:34<valdyn>Ben90: is the build-essential package installed?
14:34<valdyn>!b-e Ben90
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14:36<Ben90>i know this sound stupid but how do i make that happen?
14:36<valdyn>Ben90: how you install a package?
14:37<valdyn>Ben90: aptitude install build-essential
14:37<Ben90>ok hang on
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14:39<Ben90>it did not install anything.
14:39<valdyn>!listkey available
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14:39<valdyn>!listkeys available
14:40<valdyn>%listkeys available
14:40<valdyn>my my
14:40<Ben90>dpkg is down
14:40<valdyn>faheem: file broke, dpkg knows how to fix this, i dont
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14:41<valdyn>faheem: theres a /var/lib/dpkg/available-old too, which you could try instead
14:42<valdyn>hmm, not bots at all
14:42<valdyn>judd: test
14:42<judd>valdyn: Error: "test" is not a valid command.
14:42<valdyn>judd: listkeys available
14:42<judd>valdyn: Error: "listkeys" is not a valid command.
14:42<faheem>valdyn: how does dpkg know how to fix it?
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14:43<valdyn>faheem: its a bot with a database backing its factoids
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14:43<AzaTht>I notice a time ago that LANG=C bla_bla_bla stopped to function as it has before, is this an feature or an bug?
14:43<faheem>valdyn: wouldn't the old file be out of date, though?
14:43<valdyn>faheem: no big deal
14:44<valdyn>AzaTht: it didnt stop
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14:44<valdyn>AzaTht: and you really remember wrongly and meant LC_ALL=C, I guess
14:44<faheem>valdyn: I mean, couldn't that cause more problems? I'm not even sure what /dpkg/available is used for.
14:44<koollman>AzaTht: it would be a bug. and, it is still working here
14:44<valdyn>faheem: no, it wouldnt cause problems
14:45<AzaTht>valdyn: I remember that using LANG=C made all text into normal english instead of localed
14:45<valdyn>AzaTht: use LC_ALL=C
14:45<AzaTht>[0:0][azatoth@azabox ~]$ ls fwef ls: kan inte komma åt fwef: Filen eller katalogen finns inte [0:2][azatoth@azabox ~]$ LANG=C ls fwef ls: kan inte komma åt fwef: Filen eller katalogen finns inte
14:45<valdyn>AzaTht: LANG does it too to some extent however
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14:46<AzaTht>valdyn: I know I can use LC_ALL, but I wondered what happened to LANG
14:46<AzaTht>it seems to be fully useless
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14:46<koollman>hmm. LANG should do it too ...
14:47<valdyn>AzaTht: read the manpage
14:47<valdyn>AzaTht: man locale
14:47<AzaTht>koollman: it stopped to work for me some month ago
14:47<fxiny>LANG=C LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure ?
14:47<valdyn>AzaTht: theres an order of priority in which the values of those variables are used
14:47<valdyn>AzaTht: thus -> read the manpage
14:48<valdyn>faheem: what cahoot said ^^
14:48<AzaTht>hmm, locales doesn't talk about LANG any more in the man page
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14:48<valdyn>faheem: what chealer said ^^
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14:49<valdyn>AzaTht: man 7 locale
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14:51<pawel>How can I easily limit download speed of program which is already running - trickle must run it first.
14:51<faheem>14:47 < chealer> valdyn:
14:51<faheem>14:47 < chealer> valdyn:
14:51<faheem>14:47 < chealer> valdyn:
14:51<valdyn>pawel: not at all
14:51<pawel>or of whole system
14:52<faheem>sorry, trying to use a touchpad
14:52<faheem>not very good at it.
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14:53<pawel>valdyn: can trickle limit download speed of running program?
14:53<valdyn>pawel: no
14:53<pawel>I don't thhink so.
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14:53<pawel>then how to limit it?
14:53<AzaTht>valdyn: it just take longer time to type LC_ALL than LANG ヾ
14:54<valdyn>AzaTht: so?
14:54<valdyn>AzaTht: did you read the manpage?
14:54<valdyn>AzaTht: the part about which variable takes precedence?
14:54<AzaTht>valdyn: yea
14:55<AzaTht>though I'm uncertain what might have triggered the change for me
14:55<valdyn>AzaTht: so you should have seen that you can still set yourself up so you can use LANG
14:55<faheem>thanks, removing corrupt file and running dselect update fixed the problem.
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14:55<valdyn>pawel: tc is the command, but its not easy
14:55<valdyn>pawel: its well documented
14:55<pawel> man tc
14:56<AzaTht>perhaps I had LC_ALL undefined before
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14:56<valdyn>AzaTht: maybe
14:56<valdyn>AzaTht: debian doesnt set LC_ALL
14:57<AzaTht>LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8 mine have
14:57<pawel>oh, it's really NOT easy!
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14:58<valdyn>pawel: try google anyway for a recipe. You wont accomplish anything with the manpage id think
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15:02<MzGiN>buenas tardes
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15:03<MzGiN>este canal es el mismo que ubuntu ?
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15:05<themill>MzGiN:, #ubuntu-es
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15:32<themill>dpkg, wb
15:32<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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15:36<kadu>HELLO!! how I mount a smb share without ip?? I try command "#smbmount //hostname/share /mnt/somedir", but return "No ip address specified and hostname not found" !!! ps: the connection with "hostname" works on smbclient but I really need mount
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15:41<kadu>someone help me with smbmount???
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15:41<valdyn>kadu: no, you dont need smbmount
15:42<valdyn>kadu: use mount -t cifs
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15:42<spacepluk>hi, where can I find docs/info/logs to debug a kernel oops?
15:43<spacepluk>valdyn: thanks :)
15:43<kadu>but return same error for me.. "#mount -t cifs //cabo-pc/backup /home/kadu/Backup"
15:43<spacepluk>that was fast :D
15:43<valdyn>kadu: then it cant find the host name
15:44<valdyn>kadu: you are probably trying to use a netbios name while your resolver is not set up to use that
15:44<kadu>if I use "#mount -t cifs // /home/Backup" works fine
15:44<valdyn>kadu: so go with the ipfirst
15:44<valdyn>kadu: now fix your resolver
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15:49<valdyn>kadu: its probably saner to just add the name in /etc/hosts
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15:58<rparish>how do i mount a network drive so it shows up as a folder etc...
15:59<patrikf>rparish: what protocol? NFS? SMB?
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15:59<rparish>im trying to add the folder to amarok and i cant find the mount
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16:00<yotam>hi all.
16:01<patrikf>rparish: well, I think KDE provides some abstraction layer, so you might not have to mount it at all
16:01<rparish>im using gnome
16:01<yotam>I have just installed Debian and I don't get the right resolution of my screen (samsong 19'')
16:02<patrikf>rparish: well, amaroK is a kde app, so it'll use the KDE abstraction layer
16:02<rparish>how do i mount a smb share
16:02<dkr>yotam: system...preferences...screen resolution
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16:03<dkr>rparish: mount -t smbfs I think
16:03<yotam>I know this pass, but I can't get the wide screen resolution, could it be improper installation of my graphic display?
16:03<yotam>intel (I think e)
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16:03<patrikf>rparish: install the smbfs package and read the "smbmount" manpage
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16:14<yotam>sorry. X wanted to restart.
16:15<yotam>ok, I found out my display driver is intel 945 (at least I think so) and I assume my probelm is there
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16:20<kadu>Anybody able to help me, Maybe you can! I tried smbmount, mount -t smbfs and cifs but can't mount a smb share by the hostname (without putting in /etc/hosts because the IP ranges). The error shown is "No IP address specified and hostname not found". Of course, if I use the IP instead of hostname, or add /etc/hosts, works perfectly, but in my script I have to find by the hostname. PS.: "# smbclient -L hostname" works fine.
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16:22<kadu>windows hostnames
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16:25<christoph>I'm having really weired problems with acpid -> -- whatshall I do?
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16:27<chahibi_>Here is what I get when I try to install synaptic :
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16:40<urbinek>how can i configure KDE system aplet
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16:41<urbinek>i mean, to open ~/ or /home/$USER as "Home directory" insted of system:/home
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16:49<ml>does anybody here use putty-tools?
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16:49<ml>and is it any better than scp?
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16:51<yotam>hi all (again). I have just installed debian stable on my machine while I was hopping to use debian testing, is simply replacing "lenny" in my repo with "squeeze will do the trick?
16:51<yotam>also, I think my intel 945 graphic card isn't configured properly, how can I fix this?
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16:54<siduxian77>yoam: yes doing that or replacing "lenny" with "testing" will do it for you
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16:56<ml>!tell yotam about lenny->squeeze
16:56<dpkg>hello, ml
16:56<dpkg>thanks, ml. It's good to be back.
16:57<yotam>siduxian77: thanks, now, does any of you know about my other problem? this is actually my main problem
16:57<patrikf>!doesnt work
16:57<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
16:57<ml>yotam: read message from dkpg for more info
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16:59<yotam>al, I don't get an error message, I simply don't get the high resolution of my wide screen. I think that my driver isn't installed properly as I get the following msg when I run compiz:
16:59<yotam>Checking for Xgl: not present.
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17:00<Guest849>Hi All! I just downloaded the new debian 5.0 and installed it on a computer built from components. I only have a debian plash screen and three icons. Computer, myhome and trash
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17:00<Guest849>Just installed disk 1. Shouldn't I see more?
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17:01<Guest849>Last time I did this was a year ago with version 4 and I thought I just installed the first CD dwonloaded from the internet
17:01<siduxian77>yotam: do you load xgl module in xorg.conf?
17:02<Guest849>and got the whole shebang. Browsers, games and all the usual great sturr
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17:02<gravity>xgl isn't a module you load
17:02<gravity>It's an X server
17:02<Guest849>I just did the automated insta;;
17:02<chealer>yotam: you don't get the high resolution by default or what?
17:02<Guest849>Yeah, get the nice high resolution blue screen with the red debian icon
17:03<Guest849>as the background
17:03<Guest849>but I only get that background and three icons
17:03<yotam>chealer: I don't get the resolution at all.
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17:04<chealer>Guest849: depends on what you chose during the installation. did you install the desktop environment task?
17:04<Guest849>Yeah, I installed everything except laptop
17:04<yotam>siduxian77: you know way better then me ;) I only took this as a sign
17:04<chealer>yotam: please provide your X configuration and log
17:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
17:05<netzwurm>hm. anybody else lost acpi support, synaptics support and other major hardware breakages in sid recently?
17:05<chealer>Guest849: for example, what would you expect to see?
17:06<siduxian77>netzwurm: no major breakages with sidux
17:06<Guest849>Pretty much what I used to see. Background and a taskbar with Applications" "Places" "Desktop"
17:06<coucouf>chealer: I guess he is missing the gnome-panel no ?
17:07<ml>Guest849: you need to install what you want, does not do this automatically
17:07<spacepluk>Guest849: try Alt+F2, and then gnome-panel
17:07<chealer>coucouf: maybe that's how it should be red, indeed
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17:07<gravity>netzwurm: How is synaptics broken for you?
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17:07<gravity>siduxian77: sidux is not sid, not matter how much people want to believe that it is
17:07<netzwurm>gravity: tapping, scrolling etc. stopped working even if properly defined in xorg.conf
17:07<Guest849>Unless the new version is that different
17:07<yotam>chealer: where is the log file?
17:07<chealer>siduxian77: sid != sidux
17:07<netzwurm>gravity: it also seems like my xorg.conf got overwritten without permission.
17:08<Guest849>Alt F2 doesn't do anything
17:08<chealer>yotam: in /var/log/
17:08<siduxian77>netzwurm: you got xorg 1.6?
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17:08<siduxian77>gravity: chealer: yeah, that's why my system is running ;)
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17:09<gravity>siduxian77: Those of us who actually give a shit about Debian itself manage to keep our unstable systems running just fine, thanks.
17:09<Guest849>So I guess what I am getting is that if I know my way around a debian 4.0 this 5.0 shouldn't look too different (assuming the stuff is installed)
17:10<yotam>chealer: are those the file you want
17:10<chealer>yotam: yes
17:10<coucouf>Guest849: No, the basic layout should be recognizable
17:10<Guest849>It looks the same but much is missing. I selected it to be installed but don't see it.
17:10<yotam>chealer: sorry about the mess with xorg
17:10<chealer>yotam: is xserver-xorg-video-intel installed?
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17:11<Guest849>Thanks coucouf, ok, something did not get installed... Will re install. Thanks you all for your time
17:11<coucouf>Guest849: can you try switching to a terminal, launching aptitude and checking that the gnome task package is selected ?
17:11<yotam>chealer: yes
17:12<coucouf>Guest849: you don't need to reinstall, just install the missing packets :)
17:12<Guest849>lemme see...
17:12<Guest849>Ok, good point!
17:12<chealer>Guest849: if I understand you correctly, you should see more, yes. sounds like a bug.
17:12<ml>Guest849: yes no need to reinstall
17:12<Guest849>lemme see if I can find a terminal from the desktop
17:13<coucouf>Guest849: you need to ctrl+alt+F1 for example and to login
17:13<Guest849>no termianl. Only the three icons. Computer Home and Trash and nothing when I right click
17:13<ml>!tell Guest849 -about install-gnome
17:13<chealer>yotam: what's the actual name of the graphics card?
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17:13<Guest849>Logging in
17:14<ml>!tell Guest849 -about install gnome
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17:14<Guest849>I am in
17:14<ml>or if you prefer kde...
17:14<ml>!tell Guest849 -about install kde
17:15<yotam>chealer: intel g45
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17:15<ml>Guest849: read massages from dpkg
17:16<LOLO>you want to install kde ??
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17:17<ml>LOLO: it was just some info for Guest849
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17:17<Guest849>Ok, the pressure is on... I want to use grep to get the kde info from dpkg right?
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17:18<chealer>Guest849: no. dpkg is (among other things) the name of a bot on this channel
17:18<chealer>!install kde
17:18<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see See also <kde version>.
17:19<ml>Guest849: read massages from dpkg in here
17:19<Guest849>oh... Sorry....
17:20<ml>Guest849: yyou should see a message that came from dpkg in you irc client
17:20<chealer>yotam: Debian stable (and testing) does not fully support that chipset.
17:20<Guest849>yeah, the meatpackage...
17:21<ml>Guest849: read those
17:21<chealer>I'll be back later
17:21<chealer>yotam: stable's intel driver doesn't support G45
17:21<ml>Guest849: do you have a desktop?
17:21<Guest849>ok, you all have helped me figure out the main thing. Something is missing. Lots of things are missing. I just wanted to ask those who know what I should see
17:22<Guest849>and there is a bunch missing
17:22<Guest849>So I will troubleshoot
17:22<Guest849>and re read those messages from dpkg
17:22<Guest849>thank you all...
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17:22<ml>Guest849: do you have a desktop?
17:22<yotam>chealer. so, that's it for my debian experience?
17:23<Guest849>I did now I am in a terminal as root.
17:23<ml>Guest849: in gnome?
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17:24<Guest849>in a command line terminal, monochrome
17:24<ml>so not in X
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17:24<ml>!tell Guest849 -about X
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17:25<coucouf>!tell coucouf -about X
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17:26<patrikf>!tell coucouf about selftell
17:26<luca635>Hi, I have search the web and kde4 file preview (dolphin or konqueror), is said to be perfect. But so far I can't have file preview for video of pdf files
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17:27<Guest849>I think that I am ok graphically. Just all the packages and programs and everything are missing...
17:27<kadu>In bash script, how I get first caracter to first space caracter in 2nd line of a text????
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17:28<patrikf>kadu: "first character to first space character"? what does that mean?
17:28<Guest849>Gonna log out of this root and see what else I can figure out. (and re read all your help)
17:28<Guest849>Many thanks
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17:29<kadu>first char to next space???
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17:30<patrikf>kadu: yes. I do not understand what you mean with that. try rephrasing it in proper english.
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17:41<dkr>I think he meant head -2|tail 1|cut -f1 -d" "
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17:42<netzwurm>hm. ok. that xorg thing fixed it.
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17:43<netzwurm>now i just wonder why acpi stuff doesn't work. acpi -b just returns nothing.
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17:43<chealer>yotam: not necessarily. unstable's intel driver supports your card well, but installing that requires a bit of work
17:43<netzwurm>if i try to start acpid it says "cannot open input layer"
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17:45<netzwurm>udev must be broken here.
17:45<patrikf>netzwurm: I think you have to stop anything that uses the event devices beforehand
17:45<netzwurm>if i manually load the battery module on boot, it works.
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17:45<patrikf>(for acpid to work)
17:46<wagner>algum brasileiro???
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17:46<netzwurm>patrikf: i suspect that it's missing modules rather.
17:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:46<netzwurm>patrikf: alsa and wifi alos stopped working because udev doesn't seem to load the modules it should load.
17:47<patrikf>netzwurm: are you on lenny?
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17:48<netzwurm>patrikf: sid.
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17:48<patrikf>netzwurm: well, nothing unexpected then. ;-)
17:48<netzwurm>patrikf: agreed.
17:49<netzwurm>patrikf: no reason not to ask questions though.
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17:49<patrikf>of course. but you'll find it more difficult to get help.
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17:50<yotam>chealer: I'm listening
17:50<patrikf>consider lenny - which is still fairly recent and should work out well in terms of actuality of software - or testing as an alternative if you don't have much experience with linux or debian.
17:50<patrikf>but it's your choice, of course.
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17:53<adama>what should I do about this?:
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17:53<yotam>chealer: wont changing my repo to unstable, updating only my intel xserver driver and then updating again the repo do lenny do the trick?
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17:54<chealer>yotam: how much experience do you have with Debian? you'd pretty much need to upgrade X to unstable.
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17:55<chealer>yotam: yes... though I don't know how much that will involve upgrading. doing that removes security support for stuff that will be upgraded.
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17:55<gravity>upgrading X to unstable right now is not a good idea
17:56<gravity>Not if there's any doubt about your skills.
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17:56<gravity>yotam: You can't just upgrade the driver from unstable. It depends on a newer server build.
17:57<gravity>You could try to do a backport, although I don't know if it would work. That's not high on intel's priority list these days.
17:57<yotam>chealer: It's my first time with debian
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17:58<yotam>anyhow I found this howto:
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18:01<arw>hello i get this error trying to de-install
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18:02<arw>and i have this problem
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18:02<chealer>yotam: your configuration is not broken. you can try switching to intel if you want, but I wouldn't recommend it without a reason.
18:03<arw>when i try to install acpid
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18:03<patrikf>arw: can you try this again with LANG=C?
18:03<patrikf>i.e. LANG=C sudo aptitude install, or LANG=C sudo dpkg-reconfigure acpid
18:04<patrikf>dpkg --configure
18:04<dpkg>patrikf: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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18:04<arw>patrikf: ok i am goin go try
18:05<yotam>chealer: I'm not sure what you meant there, this is my graphic card. what would you recommend me to do?
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18:05<chealer>yotam: well, what benefit do you expect? what is the native resolution?
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18:06<yotam>of my screen? I'm not sure, I think 1440*900
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18:06<chealer>yotam: is it a laptop screen?
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18:06<bremner>yotam: maybe try the mailing list
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18:06<yotam>nope, it's a desktop samsung 953bw
18:06<oskie>is there a guide how to make a usb stick for lenny netinst installation?
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18:07<krisfremen>hullo there, i'm trying to install debian over another distro(fedora i think), but i seem to be running into some problems... "Install the base system" step is failing
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18:07<krisfremen>where can i see what is causing the problem?
18:08<chealer>oskie: the installation guide covers that
18:09<patrikf>arw: yes, I meant dpkg --reconfigure
18:09<patrikf>(or aptitude install (without arguments), that should do as well)
18:09<patrikf>arw: argh. I mean "dpkg --configure"!
18:10<chealer>yotam: well, getting 1440x900 *is* a good improvement on 1024x768. you can try upgrading, but be aware that you partially lose security support and that you may hit bugs. downgrades are not really supported.
18:10<arw>patrikf: ok.. again :)
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18:11<chealer>krisfremen: what do you mean by "installing over another distribution"?
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18:11<xente>did anyone else's box die when it tried to upgrade acpid ?
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18:12<yotam>chealer: well the line: cat /etc/apt/preferences give me an error msg: cat: /etc/apt/preferences: No such file or directory
18:13<krisfremen>well there is a 4tb lvm partition, and it has fedora in it...
18:13<krisfremen>what is the best way to go for installing debian on it?
18:13<patrikf>arw: stop X and try that from a tty
18:13<chealer>yotam: oh, that guide is outdated anyway. do what you told earlier, or, *maybe* setup a stable/unstable mix
18:14<arw>patrikf: and when i try to do the same with other package the fist lines of the error has the same :
18:14<arw>invoke-rc.d: initscript «what_ever_package action» "start" failed.
18:14<yotam>I remember there was a way in ubuntu to only change the repo for one package
18:14<patrikf>arw: yeah... try "dpkg --configure -a" when X is not running
18:15<dpkg>somebody said pin was a small bolt, or also see pinning
18:15<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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18:15<chealer>yotam: you don't want pinning in this case
18:16<yotam>chealer, why not?
18:16<arw>patrikf: ok, so i am going to that
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18:17<yotam>chealer: damn! xserver-xorg-video-intel:
18:17<yotam> Depends: xserver-xorg-core but it is not going to be installed
18:17<krisfremen>fuck it's so hot in this closet
18:18<chealer>yotam: pinning is when you want to always use a suite's version of a package. that's not your case, you only want the xserver-xorg-video-intel version currently in unstable. you don't really care about it being upgraded later, if you ignore security support. APT won't downgrade packages.
18:18<krisfremen>rofl xD
18:18<krisfremen>that wasn't meant for here xD
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18:19<yotam>chealer: OK
18:19<chealer>yotam: when doing what?
18:19<petern>why don't you ... come out of the closet...
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18:19<krisfremen>i keep my computers in the closet xD
18:19<yotam>chealer: when choosing xserver-xorg-video-intel in synaptic, synaptic wants to remove a bunch of stuff, xserver-core among them
18:20<krisfremen>that way the other rooms are kinda colder
18:20<arw_telnet>patrikf same error
18:20<yotam>chealer: synaptic wants to remove a whole lot of sxerver-core stuff
18:20<patrikf>arw_telnet: can you try from single-user mode?
18:20<krisfremen>so, any suggestions for installing debian over another distro on the same lvm partition??
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18:21<chealer>yotam: I'd suggest trying with apt-get, so you can paste the output here
18:21*gravity wonders why he even bothered telling yotam what he did earlier
18:23<arw_telnet> patrik do you mean do that from init 1?
18:24<arw_telnet> patrikf do you mean do that from init 1?
18:24<patrikf>arw_telnet: yes
18:25<arw_telnet>patrikf ok :)
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18:25<yotam>chealer: I'm sorry, I'm too tiered an confused to go on with this. thanks anyway. looks that I'm doomed not to try debian in the near future. I actually tried to figure out a way to check if my hardware will be supported by most of linux distros before I bought it but couldn't find a way to do so
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18:27<krisfremen>well... i found my error... oops :)
18:27<krisfremen>forgot to mark the boot partition as /boot
18:27<yotam>gravity, thanks any way.
18:27<yotam>nighty night guys
18:28<chealer>yotam: good night
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18:33<krisfremen>now i'm getting some other errors
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18:41<etenil>Hi there
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18:42<etenil>I'm having big troubles with an update of acpid for squeeze
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18:43<patrikf>etenil: the init script fails to start?
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18:44<etenil>that's rightly summarized
18:44<etenil>took me a minute to find the same description ;[)
18:45<etenil>patrikf: Do you know how I could solve this problem?
18:45<patrikf>etenil: can you pastebin the output of "/etc/init.d/acpid start; echo $?" as root?
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18:45<krisfree>ok i'm getting Configuring 'bootstrap-base' failed with error code 1
18:46<etenil> * Starting ACPI services... [ OK ]
18:47<etenil>oh, the script returns 1
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18:47<etenil>that's why the rest fails isn't it?
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18:48<patrikf>etenil: what version of acpid, what architecture?
18:48<stephen>is abrotman there
18:49<stephen>he helped me last night
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18:49<etenil>installed one is 1.0.8-6, update is 1.0.8-7 and arch is i386
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18:50<etenil>the kernel's arch is i686
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18:53<patrikf>etenil: please put the output of "bash -x /etc/init.d/acpid start" on a pastebin
18:54<stephen>When I first installed Debian 5, I had a resolution of 1024x768. Now I have only a resolution of 856x600. There are other lower options, but there is no option to change to 1024x768 or anything higher. What can I do?
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18:55<amphi>stephen: xrandr doesn't show higher resolutions?
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18:55<stephen>I checked that last night when I was on IRC
18:55<amphi>stephen: what card and driver?
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18:55<stephen>not nvidia
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18:56<stephen>they gave me a command last night but i don't know what it was
18:56<amphi>lspci | grep VGA
18:56<stephen>hang on
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18:57<stephen>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 20)
18:57<etenil>looks like it's from splashy!
18:59<krisfremen>uum.. ok: which kernel to use 2.6 or 2.6.26 ??
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19:00<themill>krisfremen: 2.6 is a metapackage that will track the lastest stable kernel for you
19:01<patrikf>etenil: hang on a second
19:01<amphi>stephen: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:01<stephen>not sure what pastebin is but I'll put it on
19:02<amphi>that'll do
19:02<krisfremen>it works!
19:02<patrikf>etenil: #524275, #524314
19:02<krisfremen>thanks for your help guys :)
19:03<patrikf>etenil: these are bug report numbers.
19:03<etenil>patrikf: what should I do with those numbers?
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19:03<patrikf>etenil: until these are fixed, maybe you could simply remove splashy
19:03<etenil>that's not a problem
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19:04<etenil>patrikf: Thank you very much for your help and time.
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19:05<patrikf>etenil: you're welcome
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19:05<deniz>when i do apt-get install something, im using the program/package APT?
19:06<stephen>It's posted
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19:06<krisfremen>yes deniz
19:07<amphi>stephen: url?
19:07<deniz>krisfremen, k, thank you
19:07<krisfremen>using apt to install something
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19:07<adb>amphi: ^^^
19:08<patrikf>stephen/adb: can you try installing acpid?
19:08<patrikf>(and restarting X)
19:09<stephen>What's acpid
19:09<patrikf>stephen: a program, and a debian package
19:09<amphi>stephen: that's not all of it, by the way
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19:09<adb>patrikf: ah , not , just aide stephen to get paste number
19:09<stephen>I know that but what will it do to help solve my problem?
19:09<amphi>stephen: at least it doesn't look like it
19:10<patrikf>adb: ah! alright
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19:11<stephen>patrikf: Will that solve my screen resolution problem? I'm not sure what an ACPI daemon will to to help
19:11<stephen>But I'll install it anyway
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19:12<patrikf>stephen: I don't know how acpid is used by your setup, but it complains about the lack of an acpid running.
19:13<patrikf>acpid provides an uniform interface for ACPI queries.
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19:13<patrikf>I *think* it allows multiple applications to receive ACPI events, instead of just one.
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19:14<stephen>patrikf: The X-server is restarted. Now I'll log in there and see if I can get the screen resolution to change
19:15<patrikf>stephen: how did you restart?
19:15<stephen>I hit ctrl-alt-f1 and i'm in ircII on tty1
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19:16<stephen>I just went ctrl-alt-f7 to get to the x server and hit ctrl-alt-bksp
19:16<patrikf>alright then
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19:17<stephen>no such luck
19:17<patrikf>stephen: please pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log again, as well as your /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have one
19:17<stephen>only 4 options: 800x600, 720x576, 640x480, 856x600
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19:18<stephen>Would you explain what pastebin is?
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19:18<stephen>For right now I'll just put it on
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19:18<patrikf>stephen: that is a pastebin. ;-)
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19:22<stephen>xorg.conf starts on line 422
19:22<stephen>the Xorg.0.log starts at the beginning
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19:25<marenostrum>Hello. Debian 5.0 here. First time Debian user with someGNU/Linux knowledge with some other distros such as Ubuntu. I installed Debian on an old machine by using CD-1. The machine doesn't have acsess to the Net. Now I would like to try to install some packages by usin Flash Disk as a "transfer media". But if I want to install a file, it has many dependencies and all those dependiencies have other dependencies.... For sure,many of those dependincie
19:25<marenostrum>s may already be installed on my machine. Ayyway;question is:how can i install a package (via carrying from another machine by means of removable media) to a Debian machine, Debian installed by just CD-1?
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19:27<chahibi>marenostrum: If you need very specific packages, you can generate the list of download links to the dependecies
19:28<chahibi>marenostrum: download and install them using dpkg
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19:28<chahibi>marenostrum: there might be better solutions though
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19:29<stephen>I've got to go
19:29<stephen>Sorry I can't find a solution
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19:30<marenostrum>@chahibi : lets assume the easiest one. how cani? the easiest may be gnome games -lets say- for I think most of dependencies are already there. lets say,abiword can be much harder.
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19:32<chahibi>marenostrum: the difficult part is to add the online repository list locally, equivalent to adding the source and running apt-get update
19:33<chahibi>marenostrum: or perhaps use easier packaging methods
19:33<chahibi>marenostrum: like autopackage or klik
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19:34<marenostrum>@chahibi: Thank you very much friend. I'll try.
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19:35<chahibi>marenostrum: at worst, download the dvds
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19:36<chahibi>marenostrum: you can also install the 1 cd on a connected machine, and use apt-get -d install <package>
19:37<chahibi>marenostrum: this will only download the packages
19:37<chahibi>to /var/cache/...
19:38<marenostrum>@chahibi : it may be an option as well, but my problem is to learn Debian rather tahn working with that machine. Maybe I will install Debian on my main machine Debian instead of some other distro. Anyway, many thanks for your help.
19:38<patrikf>marenostrum: apt-zip
19:38<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>.
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19:39<marenostrum> @chahibi : it may be an option as well, but my problem is to learn Debian rather tahn working with that machine. Maybe I will install Debian on my main machine Debian instead of some other distro. Anyway, many thanks for your help. (I resent this for some reason) Again, thanks a lot.
19:40<dantti>someone knows where sun-java6-jre store the license agreement? i'm trying to find it but no luck in /var and /etc
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19:40<chahibi>marenostrum: check this
19:41<marenostrum>i will. you are very polite.
19:41<chahibi>marenostrum: you can upload your dpkg status file and it will list the files to download, pretty useful
19:42<marenostrum>hah... interesting point!
19:42<marenostrum>very interesting!
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19:42<kthyon>we are speack in spanish
19:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:47<bja>marenostrum: have you tried using a virtual machine
19:47<bja>I learned Mandriva using vmware server on etch.
19:48<bja>BTW vmware will not install, it complains that the compiler is not the same one used as the one used to compile the kernel.
19:49<bja>on Lenny
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19:55<marenostrum>@bja: sorry for delay; I was getting some drink. No; but my problem is not virtual machine; I mean; I know a lot about GNU/Linux and just that primary install of Debian saya me something and apart from VM I can make a dual or triple install including Debian on my main machine. I just wondered how: How can we install packages to a Debian machine with no access to net but with connection to removable media. By the way; thank for your suggestion. Than
19:55<marenostrum>ks a lot.
19:56<veeArr>I'm using sid and an tgz I'm trying to compile needs GTK. I've looked over apt-cache search and and see many GTK packages but not a core or base GTK. Which package would that be?
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19:57<Nemoder>veeArr: try libgtk2.0-dev
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20:02<dpalacio>invoke-rc.d loves to say that initscripts have failed on upgrade/remove
20:02<dpalacio>is this known?
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20:08<veeArr>libgtk2.0-dev doesn't seem to have satisfied the need. The line I'm working at is "checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.1... no"
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20:16<veeArr>Oh, dang, I finally get it. v1.2.x is entirely different. Guess I'll find a newer app.
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20:22<Befolked>I need some help with Debian Lenny 5.0~r1 on an amd athlon x2 4800+, 3gb ram, geforce 7650 gt usign the mcp 61 chipset running the i386 install cd.
20:22<Befolked>whenever it tries and detects my cdrom (on the 180mb or so i386 iso cd), it cant find it.
20:23<Befolked>none of the other isos work either.
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20:23<Befolked>for the same reason. is there any way i could solve this?
20:23<Befolked>i actually got it to work one time, not sure how. i just booted it up regularly and it worked perfectly. haven't gotten it to work since.
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20:24<Befolked>been googling since lenny's release :(
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20:25<Ben90>is there an "NES" emulator for debian?
20:25<Ben90>with a gui.
20:26<Befolked>no idea.
20:27<Ben90>no, "NES"
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20:28<Ben90>does anyone know if there is a nes emulator for debian
20:28<Befolked>thought there was an emulator named snes.
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20:28<Ben90>where do i get it?
20:28<dpalacio>Ben90: apt-cache search nes|grep -i emul => mednafen
20:28<Ben90>ok 1 sec
20:29<Ben90>does it have a gui?
20:29<adb>apt-cache show mednafen
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20:29<Befolked>this is frustrating.
20:30<Befolked>sata_nv module is loaded.
20:30<adb>!tell Ben90 about search
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20:52<Ben90>is there an nes emu for debian with a gui?
20:53<Ben90>besides mednafen.
20:53<Ben90>i was thinking tuxnes
20:57<Ben90>anyone here?
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21:02<RedKnight>Just installed Debian 5.0 and it doesn't see all of my 160GB HD. Any thoughts on why it only sees 33.8GB Debian? HD? Motherboard? BIOS? None of the above??? :-)
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21:04<amphi>!tell Ben90 -about search
21:04<penpen>RedKnight: sounds like either a mb or hd jumper issue
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21:05<penpen>RedKnight: what kind of motherboard is it
21:05<RedKnight>Asus P5KPL-CM Motherboard
21:06<RedKnight>Have a HD and DVD ROM ad PATA HD Master DVD Slave
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21:07<penpen>RedKnight: some hard drives have a jumper setting that limits their size to 10 or 30gb for motherboards without large lba support
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21:08<RedKnight>Hmmm.. I have it jumpered as a Master. I will look. Might have to figure out how to tell it to look at a big drive and make that big drive master
21:08<RedKnight>maybe that isn't possible with my setup...
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21:13<penpen>RedKnight: yes, but this would be a jumper setting in addition to the master/slave jumpers
21:13<torrancew>hi room, i'm looking for someone experienced with netcat to help me debug a simple proxy using piped instances of it
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21:15<whomever>could anyone here help me with postgres, I've got the thing installed but I can't get it actually running
21:15<patrikf>whomever: to answer your question: maybe, if you gave a detailed description of your problem
21:16<whomever>i get "does not know where to find the server configuration file."
21:16<RedKnight>ok penpen, you are saying that in addition to the two jumpers on the back of the HD that there is another jumper. Like a third one (that I see in some of the diagrams in the installation guide)
21:16<whomever>and /etc/postgres/ is empty
21:17<patrikf>whomever: be specific. you get it when doing what? do you get other information as well? if necessary, use a pastebine (
21:18<whomever>well the postgres process isn't started
21:18<whomever>so when i try
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21:18<whomever> /usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/bin/postgres &
21:18<whomever>as the postgres account
21:20<whomever>postgres does not know where to find the server configuration file.
21:20<whomever>You must specify the --config-file or -D invocation option or set the PGDATA environment variable.
21:21<patrikf>whomever: you're supposed to start postgresql through the initscripts
21:22<patrikf>i.e. try /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 restart
21:22<RedKnight>penpen! You are brilliant! My jumpers are set for "Capacity Clip to 2GB/32GB architecture" as master! So I will try the other option listed for master!
21:22<RedKnight>Many thanks for your time!
21:22<RedKnight>Did I mention you are brilliant! ;-)
21:23<whomever>patrikf: it doesn't say anything when I do that. ps -A doesn't show any postgres process
21:24<whomever>do I need to run that as root or the postgres account?
21:24<patrikf>as root
21:24<patrikf>whomever: that's probably because you haven't configured any "clusters" yet.
21:24<patrikf>whomever: read the pg_createcluster manpage
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21:25<whomever>now is apt-get suppose to do all this for you?
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21:26<whomever>because its not like i have compiled this from source, most how to seem suggest it should be up and running once you do an install
21:27<patrikf>whomever: indeed this is usually handled through debconf
21:27<whomever>i wonder what happened there
21:27<whomever>can i manually kick that off?
21:27<whomever>with sane defaults?
21:28<whomever>i just have no idea what I am doing with postgres
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21:29<patrikf>whomever: "pg_createcluster 8.3 main" should give you a fairly default setup
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21:29<whomever>thanks let me give that a try
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21:30<whomever>nice it is up
21:30<twofisher>anyone here with knowledge how to set up debian fully encrypted using the manual partitioning option in the installer? got some problems
21:30<whomever>but now i see 5 postgres processes
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21:37<FoxM>Hi there. How can I install sid from scratch? is there any netinst I can do?
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21:40<FoxM>Oops... I just read the sid FAQ... not installable... only via upgrade :P thanks anyway
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21:42<whomever>patrickf: seems to be working, I am going to try and set up a user on it, thanks for your help
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21:44<sun>hi where do i get cdimages for installing testing? i see there's cdimages for the daily *installer component* snapshots but they install stable, i want to install testing?
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21:46<patrikf>whomever: 5 postgres processes are fine
21:46<patrikf>(that's the way postgres is built)
21:46<whomever>sun: I am by no means an expert, I am in here for help also, but I think once you install a stable system you can run some command to switch over to testing
21:48<patrikf>sun: ... but be aware that debian-installer is "testing", i.e. beta, as well. so you really might prefer to first install lenny and then upgrade
21:49<whomever>patrikf: do you have any idea how to add a password to a postgres user after you've create one
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21:50<whomever>i added my user account and accidently did it without -P
21:50<patrikf>whomever: well, postgres can do identification via identd
21:50<patrikf>i.e. if you login from your unix account, then you can access the db, but not from any other account
21:51<patrikf>to answer your question, no, I've never done such a setup :)
21:51<whomever>well no biggie
21:51<whomever>not like this is going to be production machine or anything
21:52<whomever>i'm just trying to create a little linux network using virtual machines
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21:56<whomever>crap the pgadmin gui isn't letting me in without a password
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21:58<whomever>ah got it, if you log via the shell you just do /password
21:59<whomever>thanks again patrik
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22:13<junix>i need some help getting a planar touchscreen working with Debian 5.0
22:13<junix>i can't get the drivers to work
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22:15<adb> [usbtouchscreen] some touch screen devices are supported by the 'usbtouchscreen' module.
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22:16<junix>adb: but what about for standard video?
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22:17<junix>not sure if it needs a higher refresh rate
22:17<junix>but i forgot how to set that in xorg.conf
22:18<gcdoc>someone has seen this problem in ubuntu> halt: unable to iterate and ID devices: No such file or directory >how to resolve
22:18<adb> apt-cache search touchscreen
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22:19<adb>gcdoc: ask on ubuntu on irc.freenode
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22:29<pcc>pdf files opened via galeon open using evince and I get an error message "Unable to open document"/"Operation not supported". installed gvfs to no avail
22:32<adb>gvfs - userspace virtual filesystem - server
22:32<adb>apt-cache search gvfs
22:32<pcc>yes, as I mentioned I installed that and it didn't help
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22:40<mattd>Hello, everyone.
22:42<ml>I'm trying to connect a computer using ssh without a password, using keys, I can connet with password with a key, but when I try uncommenting PasswordAuthentication no, but still get asked a password, my sshd_config ...
22:43<ml>maybe I'm overlooking something
22:43<pcc>it seems to work if I enter gnome... is there some daemon I need to start up?
22:43<pcc>(I had gvfsd running)
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22:44<adb>i don't think so
22:45<ml>adb: sup
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22:46<mattd>I, uhh, have what is likely a very basic question regarding installing / changing icons. I'm fairly new to Debian. The icons I've downloaded are at: ... I've tried searching for install instructions but cannot find any. =/
22:46<mattd>I believe they're also intended as Windows icons.
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22:47<pcc>the only gvfs related daemon that was running in gnome but not here was gvfsd-http and I can't get that running here ("Mount failed: Invalid mount spec")
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22:47<ml>mattd: are you in gnome?
22:47<mattd>Yes, I'm in gnome.
22:48<mattd>Sorry, I should have specified that.
22:48<keith>ebian 5.0 What is the command for adding cdroms to the sources list?
22:48<adb>apt-cdrom add
22:49<keith>adb: Thanks
22:49<adb>and enter
22:49<ml>try cp to /usr/share/icons/ and gnome to use them
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22:49<adb>well enter the cdrom in bay
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22:49<mattd>cp the actual .ico files or the archive itself?
22:50<ml>unacrchive and cp folder
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22:55<mattd>Do I need to be root and in the command line to do this?
22:55<mattd>It's not letting me just copy / paste.
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22:55<ml>yes as root
22:57<mattd>No dice.
22:57<mattd>Let me copy but it's not showing up on the icons list.
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22:58<torrancew>hi room, i'm looking for someone experienced with netcat to help me debug a simple proxy using piped instances of it
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23:05<ml>mattd: are you shure they are incon?
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23:06<mattd>Well, no. They're intended I think as Windows icons, but the zip file contains .png and .ico files.
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23:10<ml>mattd: that should work, you can try a login out and back in
23:10<mattd>Should I try cp'ing only the png folders?
23:10<mattd>Or is everything in there necessary? There's .ico files in there, too.
23:11<ml>I don't think it matters, but not sure
23:12<ml>you also create an ~/.icons/ and placing them there
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23:32<Guest894>hello all .
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23:33<Jeffrey>where can I get some help on configuring samba
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23:37<torrancew>Jeffrey: what are you trying to configure with it?
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23:40<ml>I'm trying to connect a computer using ssh without a password, using keys, I can connet with password with a key, but when I try uncommenting PasswordAuthentication no, but still get asked a password, my sshd_config ...
23:42<torrancew>ml: does it ask for a password or passphrase?
23:43<torrancew>ml: if your key is configured to be encrypted with a passphrase, there will still be a prompt for the key itself
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23:43<torrancew>anyone in here familiar with netcat, btw?
23:44<ml>torrancew: yes it does
23:45<torrancew>ml: i believe you misunderstood, does it call it a pass WORD or pass PHRASE?
23:45<ml>torrancew: yes pass PHRASE
23:46<torrancew>ml: yes, the key itself was created and encrypted with a passphrase
23:46<torrancew>ml: you have two options, pass the phrase in via command line option/shell script, or generate a new key without a phrase
23:46<ml>yes it was, but uncommenting PasswordAuthentication no should take care of that
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23:47<torrancew>ml: no, the PasswordAuthentication option only handles accepting user passwords (from /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow) as means of authentication
23:48<torrancew>ml: if the key has a passphrase protecting it, that phrase will always be required to use the key at all
23:49<torrancew>ml: but if you use the key generation method of your choice, and pass a blank passphrase, and add that key, you will have a way to login without any password whatsoever
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23:51<ml>torrancew: yes you are right forgot about that thnak you
23:51<torrancew>ml: no problem
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23:52<torrancew>ml: if you're set, i'm taking off
23:52<ml>password it is then, or maybe not not sure if want o risk it
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23:52<torrancew>ml: well, an offender would have to have your key file (or have cracked it) to login, so assess that how you will
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23:53<torrancew>ml: it's not my place to give a recommendation, as i'm not sure the full implementation
23:53<ml>yes, but it is risk small but it is there
23:53<torrancew>ml: indeed
23:53<torrancew>ml: good luck to you
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23:53<ml>torrancew: and to you :)
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