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---Logopened Sat Apr 18 00:00:06 2009
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00:08<whomever>my debian install 5gigs, anyone have any advice on how I can slim that down?
00:08<whomever>I don't even have gnome installed
00:10<ml>whomever: hmm no gnome here and using 2.3gb complete install
00:11<whomever>is postgres really large?
00:11<ml>dunno don't use it
00:11<whomever>i basically have postgres and the xcfe desktop installed
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00:12<whomever>I would install kdirstat, but i don't want to add kde dependences to the problem
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00:13<ml>whomever: did you start from a standard install and build from there?
00:14<whomever>i did the expert install with xcfe instead of gnome
00:14<whomever>basically added graphical desktop, base and database
00:14<whomever>i've actually removed a few things like open office and gimp
00:15<ml>must be the database?
00:16<whomever>yeah just strikes me as strange
00:16<whomever>i don't have anything in the db yet, and the binaries themselves shouldn't huge
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00:17<ml>that is strange maybe something you installed and forgot?
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00:19<whomever>its a pretty fresh install
00:19<whomever>its a virtual box machine
00:20<whomever>so its possible there is some issue there
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00:23<whomever>i am going through du output right now
00:24<whomever>i am not seeing anything large
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00:36<whomever>well i can't figure it out
00:36<whomever>maybe it's the swap
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00:50<Guest901>hello all?
00:50<Guest901>nickname lex
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00:57<Guest901>how do u change ur nick name?
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01:02<thahauss>Can someone please help me with a command line switch to launch 'Rdesktop' on another desktop?
01:02<Guest901>guess not one talks here
01:03<cwood>Like, connect via rdp to some windows machine?
01:03<cwood>Guest901: /nick newnickname
01:03<Supaplex>not one but more.
01:03<Supaplex>what was my quit message?
01:03<thahauss>that is what rdesktop does and that works fine, I'm just trying to launch the desktop viewer app on another desktop other than my primary
01:04<cwood>thahauss: set the right $DISPLAY environment variable and make sure you have permissions to the x cookie, iirc.
01:04<cwood>I regularly ssh to my desktop with the big monitor from my laptop while I'm lying on the bed, and play movies on that monitor.
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01:08<thahauss>cwood, thanks for the help I'm new to linux can you elaborate on how to set my $display variable?
01:08<thahauss>I'm using compiz cube for multi desktops
01:08<cwood>Never used compiz, sorry. Try googling for the display variable, more text there.
01:08<Supaplex>fooey. :p
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01:08<thahauss>cwood, thanks for the help will do
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01:08<l3x>nick /lex
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01:08<l3x>cwood, do u know ne thing about hp printers for linuex?
01:08<cwood>I have an hp 1012 laser plugged into cups, but that basically happened automagically by installing all the hp* packages, cups, and printconf.
01:08<cwood>iirc, been a while since I set that up.
01:08<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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01:17<ml>!wb dpkg
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01:17<l3x>cwood, i have a hp 1018 but its not working
01:17<l3x>cwood, i have cups installed but i get an error when adding drivers
01:17<cwood>It helps to search google for the error message, other people have often had your problem.
01:17<Supaplex>l3x: EVAGUE. What error? (word for word is best)
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01:17<dpkg>thanks, ml. It's good to be back.
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01:17<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned!
01:17<dpkg>somebody said lag was the reason fnord has so many meanings
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01:18<l3x>Supaplex, cwood Unable to load the requested driver:
01:18<l3x>Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-LaserJet_1018,foo2zjs]. Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
01:19<Supaplex>humm. you might need an additional package. /msg dpkg search eg, laserjet ppd or etc.
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01:21<cwood>apt-cache search hp | grep HP | grep -v PHP
01:21<cwood>That gets you a bunch of hp-related stuff
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01:22<l3x>Supaplex, ???
01:22<cwood>I'm off to bed, night.
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01:27<l3x>where can i post my error msg?
01:28<teen_quiet>l3x, pastebin
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01:30<ml>scp with ssh-agent is awsome :)
01:30<l3x>Supaplex, teen_quiet
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01:36<teen_quiet>l3x: , says: Need to install foo2zjs first...?
01:37<l3x>teen_quiet, so goto ur link you gave me to get foo2zjs?
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01:40<teen_quiet>l3x: apt-cache search foo2zjs !
01:40<teen_quiet>l3x: aptitude show foo2zjs...
01:41<thahauss>cwood, I didn't have any luck searching around for the $display variable and how to implement it, the fact I'm using compiz I think is transparent to this issue
01:41<thahauss>cwood, 2 refresh, I'm trying to find a switch to launch an application on another desktop
01:41<teen_quiet>thahauss, $DISPLAY uppercase !
01:41<thahauss>cwood, do you have any more words of wisdom for me :P ?
01:41<Supaplex>thahauss: I forget how to do that really... I usually resort to running it in screen. I'll run screen in a shell first, then ssh in, and run stuff remotely there.
01:43<thahauss>supaplex, what do you recommend for remoting? My main box (which I'm remoting from) is jaunty, I'm remoting into both XP Pro and a jaunty machine. For the XP I use 'rdesktop'
01:44<Supaplex>what's jaunty?
01:44<thahauss>ubuntu 8.20
01:44<thahauss>ubuntu 8.10*
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01:45<Supaplex>so you are directly on the linux machine and want to login to a remote desktop on winxp?
01:46<thahauss>Supaplex, exactly, is there a better practice than using rdesktop?
01:46<Supaplex>not that I know of
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01:46<thahauss>Supaplex, ok, I'm going to research how to command line switch a program to launch onto another desktop, thanks alot for the information
01:46<Supaplex>you made it sound as though you wanted rdesktop to pop open when you typed it from a remote ssh session.
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01:46<Supaplex>man rdesktop
01:47<Supaplex>start an xterm, and run rdesktop <remote-ip>
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01:48<thahauss>Supaplex, thats working fine, I was unclear... the issue I'm running into is I want the remote desktop viewer to launch onto another desktop on this local machine other than the primary one, I'm using compiz cube desktop and I want the remote viewer to launch onto desktop 2 @ startup
01:48<thahauss>Supaplex, everything is working as intended except Im unable to get the viewer to launch onto any desktop other than my primary
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01:49<teen_quiet>l3x: are using CUPS?
01:50<Supaplex>you lost me on desktop 2. is this on the same physical box?
01:50<teen_quiet>*are you...
01:50<thahauss>Supaplex, it is, I have 6 desktops
01:50<Supaplex>you want placement on startup to be on desktop 2?
01:50<thahauss>Supaplex, yes sir :)
01:51<Supaplex>ahh. there might be a dotfile from x to set where that starts, but that's just a wild guess.
01:51<Supaplex>i vagely recall resources eg for xterm colors set there.
01:52<cirne100>in debian/rules what's the difference between BUILD_CFLAGS and HOST_CFLAGS?
01:52<thahauss>Supaplex, would the $DISPLAY switch work in this case? I cant find much information on it online
01:52<Supaplex>cirne100: subtle differences wrt cross compiling?
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01:53<Supaplex>thahauss: no. $DISPLAY controls what screen it'll display on. the application is an x11 client, and can execute/process on one box, and display on another.
01:54<thahauss>Supaplex, ok I see
01:54<cirne100>Supaplex: sorry?!?
01:54<l3x>teen_quiet, thats what is says when i add printers. How do i find out?
01:55<ranix>Apt-get dist-upgrade failed to upgrade python-pylons
01:55<ranix>isn't that weird?
01:55<ranix>from etch to lenn
01:55<Supaplex>cirne100: try #debian-mentors for debian/rules voodoo. :)
01:55<thahauss>Supaplex, TY again have a good one
01:56<cirne100>Supaplex: thank you :)
02:04<teen_quiet>the same: aptitude show cups (I'm not sure I understood you...) CUPS is better than any builtin desktop stuff (and even without desktop, nor X).
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02:06<l3x>teen_quiet, u got any ideas?
02:07<teen_quiet>*stuff/desktop printing utiities
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02:07<teen_quiet>l3x: no, sorry.
02:08<teen_quiet>l3x: this should work...
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02:11<l3x>teen_quiet, ok, i guess i will go off of hopes and dreams -- dom from the original fast and the furious
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02:18<l3x>teen_quiet, any advice?
02:20<teen_quiet>no more
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02:45<nano->Anyone here knows anything about QNAP?
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03:09<herc>yea, what?
03:10<pawel>how to make GUI in Bash script ( or sh )?
03:10<Lethalman>pawel: try using gtk-server
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03:16<ffws>pawel: have a look at ssft
03:16<pawel>ok thx
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04:27<pawel>how to make entry box with multiline text using zenity?
04:27<pawel>pawel@PAWEL-UBUNTU:~$ zenity --title=Message --width=300 --height=300 --entry --text='STRING \n STRING /n STRING'
04:27<pawel>displays window with STRING \n STRING /n STRING
04:27<pawel>no CR's
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04:35<matth>pawel: zenity --title=Message --width=300 --height=300 --entry --text="$(echo -ne STRING\\nSTRING)" works
04:36<matth>just not sure if that's the best method
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04:38<pawel>it's good.
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04:47<pawel>how to get command line argument in a bash script?
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04:59<ffws>pawel: $1..$N or $@
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05:06<pawel>how to check in Bash if $LANG begins with en?
05:06<pawel>[ $LANG = en* ] does not work
05:06<pawel>what is the operator?
05:07<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ L=foobar; [ "${L##en}" = "$L" ] && echo no || echo yes
05:07<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ L=enfoobar; [ "${L##en}" = "$L" ] && echo no || echo yes
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05:18<mjt>case "$LANG" in en*) foo;; esac
05:18<dpkg>hello, ml
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05:32<Jan-Jaap>Hi all! Trying to convert avi to flv using ffmpeg. Ffmpeg tells me: Unknown encoder 'mp3'. Am I missing a package? Which one?
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05:37<purvesh>hey any 1 know that in ubuntu which good torrent software have 2 download
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05:38<noflash>!tell purvesh -about ubuntu
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05:42<weasel>dpkg: also tell him about proper english and all
05:42<dpkg>weasel: bugger all, i dunno
05:42<weasel>yeah, figured
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05:46<valdyn>!confuse purvesh
05:46<dpkg>No, how is our gouda yesterday, purvesh? breeches of the people's republic of micronesia with extra cream
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05:47<Jan-Jaap>Gouda is doing fine today; same as yesterday. Sitting on a couch there right now!
05:47<Jan-Jaap>Ok, figured it out - no mp3 support in debian due to debian licencing principles. Building ffmeg from source now.
05:47<valdyn>Jan-Jaap: nonsense
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05:47<Jan-Jaap>what? I do live in Gouda, Netherlands ;)
05:48<dpkg>i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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05:48<valdyn>Jan-Jaap: ^^
05:48<weasel>doesn't make what he said any less true
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05:49<valdyn>its not license issues, but thats not what i meant, i meant he doesnt need to compile
05:49<valdyn>its the "im scared of american patent system" reason ;)
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05:50<Jan-Jaap>exactly :)
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05:50<Jan-Jaap>I'll use your suggestion, thanks!
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05:51<valdyn>i wonder if a break the law when i now try to find out if my isp is censoring website
05:51<valdyn>i wonder if a break the law when i now try to find out if my isp is censoring websites
05:51<valdyn>thats so fucked up
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05:59<ringo999>hi I'm using debian lenny on a macbook, everything pretty much works, except for the microphone. I once had debian installed before and had the mic working, but I forgot how to set it up...
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06:00<cahoot> perhaps
06:02<ringo999>cahoot: thanks, reading
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06:18<frallan>hello anybody awake
06:18<frallan>anyone ?
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06:18<ffws>frallan: nope, sorry
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06:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
06:20<frallan>!ask im running debian 5.0.1 64bits server and i cant get pure-ftpd to update quota on my ftpusers in webmin with the pure-ftpd-module any ideas?
06:20<cahoot>how did you manage to install webmin?
06:20<frallan>apt-get install webmin
06:22<frallan>yeah im sure its my 8th year running debian servers
06:22<cahoot>admittedly it is a metaquestion - but I doubt webmin is in debian
06:22<pawel>forst time when 'echo hello | nc localhost 2230 -u' with netcat listening on port 2230 it prints hello but second time it does not.
06:23<frallan>cahoot: webmin is a admininterface for ftpserver logging backup apache and so on
06:23<pawel>how to make it receive packets in UDP
06:24<frallan>in webmin i have a fully working module for my ftp-server pure-ftpd but it wont update the quota for the users but when im logging in to the accounts i can se that the quotasystem is working only the webmin-module that wont show the quota
06:24<frallan>any ideas ?
06:24<petern>right, but webmin isn't in debian
06:25<frallan>you can install webmin on debian
06:25<frallan>whats the difference ?
06:25<dpkg>i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
06:25<frallan>ok so you wont give me a tip or something
06:26<petern>webmin's not in debian, so how should we be able to help with it?
06:27<petern>if you got packages directly from webmin, then maybe they will be able to help
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06:27<frallan>nvm ill figure something out
06:27<frallan>thanks for the help anyway
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06:32<pawel>First time when I execute 'echo hello | nc localhost 2230 -u' with netcat listening on port 2230 it prints hello but second time it does not. When I execute 'nc localhost 2230 -u' and just type messages it's working, but when I ^C and 'nc localhost 2230 -u' second time, it's not. How to make netcat receive packets in UDP mode?
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06:59<danger>Hi, could anyone help me get flash working for Lenny amdx64 please?
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07:01<dpkg>methinks flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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07:02<bremner>danger: I don't use flash, but maybe I can talk you through some basic stuff. What did you try?
07:03<danger>Well I downloaded and tried to install a version from the Adobe website which exited saying x64 arch is not supported
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07:04<bremner>danger: maybe try one of the free versions?
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07:04<danger>I'll give that a go now
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07:06<abrotman>danger: there should be a flash10 for amd64
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07:06<danger>thanks abrotman I'm just following the instricutions that dpkg bot produced
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07:10<dpkg>somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
07:11<danger>those instructions don't seem to have worked :(
07:11<Nemoder>did you add backports to your sources.list?
07:12<danger>the apt-get install command seemed to work
07:12<danger>but iceweasel still isn't letting me play flash stuff
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07:12<valdyn>danger: read about:plugins
07:12<Nemoder>restart the browser, then type about:plugins in the URL bar
07:13<danger>it has line for video/flv
07:13<valdyn>danger: that is something else
07:13<Nemoder>it should say Shockwave Flash
07:13<valdyn>umm no
07:13<danger>no it doesn't say Shockwave Flash
07:14<danger>it does say Flash Vide
07:14<valdyn>danger: the video/flv doesnt need to say shockwave flash
07:14<danger>thanks valdyn
07:14<Nemoder>no I meant a separate section
07:15<valdyn>danger: the application/x-shockwave-flash needs to point to Shockwave Flash
07:15<Nemoder>which browser are you using?
07:15<ksz>Hello, I upgrade my debian from testing to sid, and I don't know if the probleme comes from gnome or xserver but my windows are really slow when I move it. How can I do with aptitude to get an anterior version of xserver ( testing version )
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07:15<Nemoder>danger: do you have /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ ?
07:16<valdyn>danger: so whats there for x-shockwave-flash in about:plugins ?
07:16<danger>Nemoder - no I dont have that so
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07:16<danger>valdyn no there isn't
07:16<valdyn>danger: nothing at all?
07:17<abrotman>danger: ls -l /etc/alternatives/
07:17<valdyn>i think danger is not properly reading that about:plugins page anyway
07:17<danger>abrotman - /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/
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07:18<Nemoder>danger: as root try running /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
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07:18<abrotman>does that file exist? if you run 'file' on it, what comes back ?
07:18<valdyn>ksz: aptitude install packagename=version
07:19<danger>okay need to restart iceweasel and leave for a second to check if that command worked nemoder
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07:20<danger>Still no luck :(
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07:21<dpkg>flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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07:22<Nemoder>hm i wonder why it isn't linked to mozilla/iceweasel's plugin dir
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07:23<abrotman>danger: /msg dpkg flash
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07:23<abrotman>Nemoder: it normally uses /etc/alternatives/ as the first flash player
07:24<Nemoder>might be able to: ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
07:24<valdyn>why try to fuck with debian files
07:24<valdyn>when we dont know if his thing is really broken
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07:25<abrotman>i did ask him a few questions .. and got no response
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07:26<pawel>does someone know answer to my question:
07:26<pawel>First time when I execute 'echo hello | nc localhost 2230 -u' with netcat listening on port 2230 it prints hello but second time it does not. When I execute 'nc localhost 2230 -u' and just type messages it's working, but when I ^C and 'nc localhost 2230 -u' second time, it's not. How to make netcat receive packets in UDP mode?
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07:27<danger>damn flash
07:28<abrotman>danger: i asked you two questions .. and you didn'tanswer
07:29<xFORCE>hi , would you please tell me if there is any irc chat room about Java programming? if you know please tell me how to connect to that.
07:29<danger>abrotman sorry I have to restart iceweasel to check if a command had worked, I'm using chatzilla as my irc client (i.e. a firefox addon) so I have to reconnect each time I test if something has worked - please ask those two questions again
07:29<abrotman>xFORCE: ##java on freenode
07:29<abrotman>danger: so use xchat or irssi
07:29<valdyn>danger: use a different irc client
07:29<xFORCE>abrotman : taQ
07:29<danger>okay will install one brb
07:30<wide>installing lenny, software raid 1, how do I select both raid and encrypt for /home partition, it seems like one or the other only? I tried raid first, then encrypt, but when selecting encrypt, it won't format raid, etc
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07:32<danger_3>okay I'm in ksirc now so I can check stuff without logging out :)
07:34<paggas>hi, could someone point me to somwhere i could read about how sessions work on linux? e.g. when i logout of my kde session, which processes terminate and which don't. thanks :)
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07:34<abrotman>danger_3: <danger> abrotman - /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ <abrotman> does that file exist? if you run 'file' on it, what comes back ?
07:34<valdyn>paggas: kde source code
07:35<valdyn>paggas: X is kept alive by one process, if that one dies, X dies, but kde obviously could spawn and detach whatever the hell it wants
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07:36<danger_3>abrotman yes it does
07:36<valdyn>paggas: you need quite some background knowledge to understand this, and if you had it you wouldnt ask that question but use strace
07:36<abrotman>danger_3: there were two parts to that question
07:36<valdyn>paggas: maybe you really want to know something else though
07:36<danger_3> pubkey.asc
07:36<danger_3>that's whats in that dir
07:36<danger_3>that is 'file'?
07:37<danger_3>oh wait I see: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
07:37<paggas>valdyn, i basically would like to understand how sessions work, e.g. why i have to login again when i edit limits.conf :) what qualifies as a login etc
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07:38<danger_3>abrotman I think thats all the info you requested
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07:38<abrotman>danger_3: thank you
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07:39<valdyn>paggas: pam sets limits and logs you on, and only does anything when you log in
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07:39<abrotman>danger_3: can you paste "about:plugins" in ?
07:40<danger_3>abrotman could you step me through how to do that please
07:40<abrotman>danger_3: in your iceweasel .. put "about:plugins" in the URL bar .. then select it all, and put it in the pastebin
07:40<amanda-b>so i'm using x11 forwarding and xming to run some stuff. my question is, can i use xming to run an entire wm, eg, kde or gnome? or can i only run individual progs? my user base has previously been using vnc, and i want to switch them to something both free and encrypted, thus, x11 forwarding, but they're used to having a complete desktop in the client
07:41<Nemoder>amanda-b: you can tunnel vnc through ssh
07:41<paggas>valdyn: so there is no notion of processes automatically receiving a TERM signal (or whatever) when i logout? and logging out is defined by the user shell terminating?
07:41<amanda-b>nemoder: i'm trying to avoid having to jack with installing vncserver again, as we're actually migrating to a new server :-)
07:41<danger_3>I think thats right
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07:42<valdyn>paggas: it does not need to be a "shell"
07:42<abrotman>danger_3: it's still saying you don't hvae flahs installed at all
07:43<danger_3>abrotman lol what the hell?
07:43<paggas>valdyn: well, the one special process that is spawned for the user :)
07:43<valdyn>paggas: but yea, all children get killed when the parent dies
07:43<valdyn>paggas: yes
07:43<paggas>valdyn: right
07:44<danger_3>so annoying I've spent ages configuring lenny and then no flash :-<
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07:45<valdyn>danger_3: flash in debian works fine, your setup should work fine by default, however we dont know where and what you messed with
07:45<abrotman>danger_3: i think that's what valdyn was trying to tell you .. but anyways ...
07:45<valdyn>danger_3: for instance there could be ~/.mozilla/plugins/
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07:45<valdyn>danger_3: but you didnt still clearnly confirm to me that about:plugins shows nothing like "flash"
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07:46<danger_3>valdyn I posted the output of that above an
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07:46<paggas>valdyn: kde apps however don't have something like kdeinit as their parent, they are hanging under init instead, how is that done? this also means that they get killed manually from dbus or something?
07:46<paggas>(when the session terminates)
07:47<valdyn>paggas: or maybe they dont get killed
07:47<valdyn>paggas: both is possible
07:47<valdyn>paggas: detach an app from parent and console makes it a daemon
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07:48<danger_3>there's something similar to detach that does something similar is it unhup or something like that, I use it when running a script overnight
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07:49<danger_3>that's the one I think
07:49<Nemoder>danger_3: I don't know why the debian flash package isn't working but whenever I've tried beta versions of flash from adobe I've only had to place the .so file in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
07:49<valdyn>paggas: i dont know about kde, but gnome spawns gconfd-2 process that doesnt die on logout
07:49<danger_3>thanks Nemoder :)
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07:49<valdyn>thats the problem, danger_3 probably placed broken files everywhere
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07:51<abrotman>Nemoder: you shold be using the alternatives system
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07:53<valdyn>danger_3: run iceweasel like that "strace -f iceweasel 2>&1 | grep -i flash", go to about:plugins, the paste the output on a paste site
07:54<danger_3>will do
07:54<danger_3>one moment valdyn I've got the "shockwave flash" to appear now in the about:plugins by copying the flash*.co file into /usr/lib/ice*/plug*/.
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07:55<valdyn>danger_3: so that is taking precedence over your whatever that is broken now
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07:55<Nemoder>I use alternatives for all free software, but debian has a tendency to move things around and rename them which breaks proprietary software that isn't packaged.
07:55<danger_3>I think so valdyn I'm just testing to see if that is the case now
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07:56<danger_3>wooohoooo flash works!!!!!!!! thanks abrotman, valdyn and Nemoder - I owe you all a pint :)
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07:57<abrotman>but we didn't actually do anything .. you just copied files around til it workeed
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07:58<danger_3>abrotman - I did pretty much exactly what nemoder suggested : <Nemoder> danger_3: I don't know why the debian flash package isn't working but whenever I've tried beta versions of flash from adobe I've only had to place the .so file in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
07:59<abrotman>yeah .. right .. copied files around til it works :)
07:59<Nemoder>danger_3: the downside of that is when flash updates you will still have the old version unless you copy it again, so it's not an ideal solution
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08:00<danger_3>true nemoder true,
08:00<danger_3>To be honest I though flash + x64 distro meant flash was a complete no go - happy to be proved wrong though ;)
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08:01<Nemoder>even when that was true there was a workaround, but thankfully adobe finally built it for 64bit
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08:02<danger_3>Was a it of a fudge like OSX rossetta emaulation?
08:02<Nemoder>not quite that bad, you could either run a 32bit browser or a plugin wrapper
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08:03<Nemoder>but now we have both 64bit flash and 64bit java so no need for that mess
08:04<danger_3>cool bannas
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08:05<Nemoder>now i'm curious if iceweasel works out of the box with 64bit plugins
08:05<Nemoder>on lenny that is
08:05<danger_3>it seems too
08:05<danger_3>I've had no problems with it - bar flash
08:05<valdyn>Nemoder: why wouldnt it? nspluginwrapper IS a 64-bit plugin
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08:06<Nemoder>valdyn: nspluginwrapper isn't needed anymore was my point
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08:07<Nemoder>i'm just curious if iceweasel really will use alternatives for plugins by default since for me I've only had them read from /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
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08:07<danger_3>surprising most people seem to go with i386 variants these days over x64 ones given that pretty much most desktop users will be using a 64bit arch
08:07<abrotman>danger_3: for a desktop user, no real benefit to using the amd64
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08:08<bremner>unless you have more than xG memory (x=2 x=3?)
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08:08<danger_3>I'm a developer - annd this machine has 8GB of RAM so an x64 distro made sense
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08:08<abrotman>bremner: -bigmem
08:08<danger_3>yes I've heard of that but it seems a bit of a fudge
08:09<Nemoder>might not be a huge advantage for 64bit but I don't see any reason not to
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08:09<bremner>Nemoder: some software (even free) does not work in 64bit
08:10<danger_3>anything "scientific" should do these days
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08:10<Nemoder>I just keep 32bit compat libs installed for games and such
08:10<bremner>danger_3: some the examples are programming languages
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08:12<danger_3>TBH Perl / MATLAB etc all have 64bit support these days do they not?
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08:14<bremner>danger_3: perl runs in amd64, yes. MATLAB I don't know anything about
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08:15<bremner>all I was trying to point out is that people have rational reasons for sticking with i386. YMMV, as always
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08:16<danger_3>but at the same time you have to laugh when people are buying 16GB systems and then using a 32bit of XP and then moan when it can't address all that memory
08:16<bremner>my set of people with rational reasons doesn't include Windows uses :-)
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08:18<danger_3>ha ha ha :)
08:19<danger_3>on a random note - Compiz really is quite impressive I have to say
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08:20<Nemoder>danger_3: played with compizconfig-settings-manager?
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08:21<danger_3>yep! took me a while to get it setup to my liking. By default it was really pissing me off by swtiching desktop when your cursor was close to the edge of the screen
08:21<Nemoder>heh ya
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08:22<Nemoder>well now I'm installing debian in qemu just to test that iceweasel plugin thing :)
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08:23<Nemoder>I've seen that problem come up multiple times here so I have to wonder if it's a bug or user error
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08:23<danger_3>what's qemu? a virtualization thingy like virtualbox / ESXi
08:24<danger_3>I've got a Fed 10 machine running but it's dog slow
08:24<danger_3>I think I might have some settings messed up with virtualbox
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08:25<Nemoder>kvm-qemu is really nice on a 64bit cpu, can run everything full speed in a 2nd core
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08:25<Nemoder>I suppose virtualbox does the same now but I haven't tried that one yet
08:26<danger_3>hmmm might be worth checking out qemu then
08:27<danger_3>weird thing is it's fine running a RHEL virtual machine - just sucks with Fed
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08:37<danger_3>Anyone thing Debians current "slogon" of "the universal operating system" is a bit crap?
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08:39<cahoot>danger over
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08:43<karim>is there a way to use variables inside postrm postinst etcetera files ?
08:43<azeem>karim: don't cross-post
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08:49<karim>azeem: I ask where I want
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08:52<azeem>karim: then we reserve the right to maybe no longer let you ask here eventually
08:56<karim>azeem if this channels are the same and people are the same then close one of them
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09:14<valdyn>karim: your question is also redundant as you have plenty examples available in debian
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09:17<karim>valdyn: well, pointing to this particular exemples is certainly a good answer to the question
09:17<karim>valdyn: it's not like if I didn't searched at all
09:18<karim>searched bad or not enough certainly since I didn't found out yet too, but at some point you just feel you want to ask
09:19<valdyn>karim: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst
09:19<karim>valdyn: yes I looked there but didn't found yet
09:20<karim>the right exemple
09:21<karim>valdyn: in fact what I want is not only for postinst. the idea is to share variables between postinst and postrm preinst
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09:21<karim>valdyn: maybe I can source one in the others.
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09:27<karim>valdyn: grep '^\.' /var/lib/dpkg/info/* -R just show just one case of sourcing
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09:28<karim>in hwtest-gtk.postrm who source hwtest.postrm
09:28<karim>I am not even sure it's right to do that ^^
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09:44<twofisher>is anyone here with knowledge about how to set up debian fully encrypted using the manual partitioning option in the installer? got some problems with that...
09:45<patrikf>twofisher: problems is rather vague. please be specific!
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09:47<twofisher>okay, patrikf. I want to make a dual boot so I can not use the guided installer to set up full disk encryption. So I have to choose manual in the partitioning options of the installer. But where can I then specify that I want to have the partitions encrypted?
09:48<twofisher>i could specify the installer to use my partitions for /boot and / etc, but how can I set up / encrypted (in the installer)?
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09:52<dan_>i'm on irssi
09:52<dan_>and i am amazed
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09:52<dan_>because i've never been on it before. that's all.
09:53<dan_>i'm on a laptop, no X; i closed my laptop and the screen turned off and never turned back on.
09:53<dan_>any special button to turn it back on?
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09:59<jozefk>i'm new with debian and have a simple question
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09:59<jozefk>i don't see how to install kde
10:00<gsimmons>!tell jozefk -about install kde
10:00<jozefk>it's just installing gnome by default
10:00<jozefk>do i need the second dvd?
10:00<jozefk>or debian is coming with gnome only?
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10:01<darthanub>jozefk, you need to go do some reading
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10:02<darthanub>or install simplymepis
10:02<darthanub>or ubuntu
10:02<jozefk>didn't like mepis and ubuntu
10:02<darthanub>but if you are having troubling installing things in debian, this is not the place to start asking questions this simple
10:02<jozefk>yeah i'll read
10:02<twofisher> describes how to install KDE
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10:04<darthanub>it reeks of laziness, something debian users abhor
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10:06<jozefk>lost my sight of reading from the screen... not about installation of kde though
10:06<jozefk>it's time for that now
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10:08<jozefk>thought this channel is for asking questions :)
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10:09<Net_Nuttt>only questions darthanub likes, it seems :-(
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10:11<jozefk>install desktop=kde
10:11<jozefk>that should be enough
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10:13<jozefk>but thanks for the link about kde 4.2 for debian
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10:14<stuckey>Does anyone know where I can see if certain hardware is supported in Debian?
10:14<stuckey>For example, motherboard chipsets, and ethernet controlers...
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10:15<darthanub>jozefk, I was just trying to give you the heads up
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10:15<jozefk>:) thanks anyway
10:15<dpkg>i guess hcl is at, see to see what's supported by the linux kernel,,, or ask about <modinfo pci alias>
10:16<jozefk>already installing..
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10:21<pawel>I got variable with 5 lines and I want only 4 last lines.
10:21<pawel>how to cut off first line from variable?
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10:26<jozefk>i also didn't find the list with contents for 5 DVD. i just downloaded the first one. what is the function of others?
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10:28<abrotman>jozefk: more packages .. but it's probably easier to use http sources instead
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10:29<jozefk>if you have the whole set once later you can just do updates. that's not so bad too
10:29<jozefk>i liked the jigdo thing :)
10:29<abrotman>it still exists
10:30<jozefk>and it's works very nice
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10:37<pawel>what is 'read' for?
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10:42<sun>hi what package is startx in? i install xserver-xorg but i dont have startx
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10:43<pawel>what is 'read' program for?
10:43<abrotman>pawel: man bash .. see BUILTIN
10:43<Torsten_W>sun: xinit
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10:43<abrotman>sun: aptitude install xorg
10:43<coucouf>sun: apt-file search startx
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10:46<sun>abrotman thanks!!!!!
10:46<amanda-b>i want vncserver to listen to loopback, NOT to a public interface. i will connect via an ssh tunnel, but i don't want the unencrypted socket available on the net for brute-force attack. is this possible?
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11:50<pawel>how to cut off first line from variable?
11:52<jozefk>same question again?
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11:54<ncfi1013>how do you burn a downloaded dvd rip to a dvd that has .vob, .ifo, and .bup files in it?
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12:05<abrotman>pawel: i answered you hours ago
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12:07<pawel>abrotman:are you sure I was not offline?
12:07<pawel>can you repeat your answer?
12:07<jozefk>he said tail :)
12:07<ml>hehe yes tail
12:09<fxiny>pawel: so ? where did you put that tail ? in a cauldron ? :P
12:09<ml>scp is great with ssh-agent, ssh-add :)
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12:09<pawel>I'll try it.
12:11<pawel>and how to check how many lines variable has?
12:12<abrotman>!tell pawel about grounding
12:12<coucouf>pawel: wc -l
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12:14<jozefk>so many people here and only few talk. strange channel but anyway this is only for help. is there something forbbiden to talk about here?
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12:15<abrotman>there is a topic to adhere to .. if you want general chatter, you can try #debian-offtopic .. though you might have to carry the conversation
12:16<jozefk>ll try :)
12:16<martin>hey, i'm very very new to debian. i did a netinstall last night. i've been using redhat/fedora for several years. anywhoo. on my fresh install "deb" is not installed?
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12:16<Guest957>i installed lenny
12:16<mtc>Guest957: deb? what are you trying to do?
12:16<Guest957>install kde 4.2
12:17<mtc>apt-get install kde
12:17<Guest957>so the instructions said type in "deb http://ftp.blablblah/debian sid main"
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12:17<mtc>or use synaptic if you have a GUI
12:17<Guest957>s are for wusses ;)
12:17<abrotman>Guest957: there is a 4.2 backport for lenny i believe
12:17<Guest957>ok, let me look
12:17<abrotman>GUIs are for wusses .. and you're using kde?
12:17<Guest957>i actually use fluxbox, but some tools i like in kde
12:17<Guest957>like the kde konsole
12:17<coucouf>Guest957: I doubt the instruction exactly said that
12:18<Guest957>oh maybe i'm reading that wrong. would that command work in the repository manager?
12:18<coucouf>Guest957: that line is for adding to your sources.list file, but you don't need it if you're using unstable
12:18<Guest957>is lenny unstable?
12:19<Guest957>or just kde4?
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12:19<jozefk>just kde 4.2
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12:20<pawel>how to do mathematics in bash?
12:20<pawel>I have to $var1 - $var2
12:21<Guest957>DDwow, that's quite the install, 931mb?
12:21<locklace>hi. i guess this is a kernel issue but thought i'd check in here: vaio laptop, debian-testing, 2.6.30rc2 kernel, resume after suspend-to-ram fails. is s2r expected to be generally working in 30rc2?
12:21<coucouf>pawel: man bash
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12:21<jozefk>that "man bash" is second time just as "tail"
12:22<abrotman>!tell pawel about grounding
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12:22<Guest957>does someone maintain an nvidia driver like akmod for fedora?
12:22<abrotman>!tell Guest957 about nvidia one-liner
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12:22<locklace>pawel: "man bash | less +/^ARITH"
12:22<jozefk>php is good for working with variables too :)
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12:23<Guest957>thanks :)
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12:26<locklace>is there a better channel here to ask about kernel stuff?
12:26<abrotman>locklace: does it work with the debian kernel?
12:28<locklace>abrotman: it did work with the 2.6.26 one after i installed hal/pmutils
12:28<abrotman>locklace: so perhaps you missed an option when compiling yours?
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12:29<LuXor>i'm new to debian and i need help..
12:29<LuXor>is there anyone online?
12:29<locklace>abrotman: it's certainly possible, but i've been through them all in detail; any options in particular that you know of that would cause resume after s2r to fail?
12:30<abrotman>locklace: i don't use suspend on my laptop .. i just shut it down .. sorry
12:31<locklace>all the ACPI stuff is detected and apparently works at least as well in this kernel as with the earlier one, but suspend is borked :)
12:31<abrotman>so use the one that works
12:31<locklace>i know there have been a lot of suspend regression issues due to kms etc. so not even sure if it's expected to be working reliably in this kernel version
12:32<abrotman>there is a #kernelnewbies on this network .. not sure if it's really a support channel
12:32<locklace>thanks, i'll give it a try
12:32<LuXor>can you read me?
12:32<abrotman>do you have a question?
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12:33<mrfabiolo>sono nuovo di qua...cmq bella questa chat
12:33<mrfabiolo>bon ... mi sono già rotto, ciao
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12:34<LuXor>can you read me
12:34<LuXor>i need help, i've just installed debian
12:35<abrotman>just freaking ask
12:36<LuXor>When i try to install programs Deabian search on CD-rom and not in internet...
12:36<LuXor>I've done a PPoe connection
12:36<LuXor>i can't install programs that are not in my DVD
12:37<abrotman>LuXor: in /etc/apt/sources.list .. comment out the cdrom lines, and then aptitude update and try again
12:37<abrotman>LuXor: and make sure you have an http source
12:37<fxiny>oh we had a f* !list scavenger ? :P
12:37<LuXor>since today i always use windows... I don't know the basic commands
12:37<LuXor>how to do that
12:37<fxiny>mrdumbassiolo :P
12:38<LuXor>maybe i shoould install ubuntu someone tell me that is more friendly
12:38<LuXor>i can't install firefox too
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12:39<fxiny>LuXor: nefertiti told you ?
12:39<abrotman>LuXor: it's more targeted towards new users .. it might be better suited for you
12:39<abrotman>LuXor: aptitude install iceweasel
12:39<LuXor>iceweasel is too bad
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12:39<abrotman>it's the same as firefox
12:39<LuXor>wtf.. i cannot browse with it
12:39<ml>LuXor: how so
12:40<LuXor>it's the worst browser i've ever seen...
12:40<abrotman>it's the same as firefox ..
12:40<mateus>Alguem ai do Brasil? =]
12:40<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:40<ml>LuXor: lol
12:40<fxiny>iceweasel icon is cute
12:40<LuXor>I need glasses to read internet pages with this browser
12:41<LuXor>it's the worst
12:41<abrotman>it's the same as firefox ..
12:41<LuXor>the charachter are not legible
12:41<ml>LuXor: it is the same as firefox!!!
12:41<mjt>LuXor: hit Ctrl+
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12:42<fxiny>what ? lenny fonts are nice surprise , a good upgrade
12:42<ml>fxiny: what icon?
12:42<LuXor>do anyone of you speak italian
12:42<fxiny>ml: i *remember* iceweasel had a blue icon . you know i can't see it anymore in xmonad :)
12:42<LuXor>i've not a good english
12:43<ml>lol that's why I asked ;)
12:43<LuXor>i'm not able to explain you what i want to say
12:43<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:43<LuXor>thanks dpkg
12:43<dpkg>hello, ml
12:44<LuXor>debbian-it is empty
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12:44<fxiny>ml: since lenny release not a single click on a menu or icon , just browser and *emacs* hyperlinks :)
12:45<fxiny>LuXor: what's your problem ?
12:45<ml>basically same here :)
12:45<h_ekla>LuXor, #debian-it, not #deBBian-it
12:46<ml>h_ekla: good catch
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12:50<pawel>root@PAWEL-UBUNTU:/home/pawel/Pulpit# res=$(nc -l -v 2280)
12:50<pawel>Connection from port 2280 [tcp/*] accepted
12:50<pawel>root@PAWEL-UBUNTU:/home/pawel/Pulpit# echo -e $res
12:51<pawel>why it's printing connection info to screen but data to variable?
12:51<pawel>I want both into variable
12:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:55<abrotman>pawel: please go to #ubuntu on freenode for support
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12:56<mtc>So with debian lenny 5.0 .. all my virtual consoles are garbled. Any idea what would cause that problem? Is it the fonts, the graphics driver, or ... the program that handles the virtual terminals?
12:56<mtc>... huh - that's weird - they are actually looking correct today ... but they generally look all garbled :)
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12:57<wool>\server irc
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13:00<fxiny>today i've checked vmware on lenny , and yes , is a mess . so googling around i read that many problems , like buggy libx libs , kernels stuff and so on , are not debian specific but they are linux specific . so ,. before saying that lenny does not looks nice , do your googling
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13:01<wool>como eu mudo de servidor??
13:01<fxiny>i do not care too much about vmware which i never use . but some problems are not debian
13:01<wool>como eu mudo de servidor??
13:01<abrotman>wool: /server
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13:01<coucouf>mtc: what graphic chip do you have ?
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13:02<mtc>coucouf: thanks for your response - I have an AMD graphics card - 3850HD - using the radeonHD drivers
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13:02<mtc>... default radeonHD drivers that were used with the installation
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13:03<toad>Je voulais savoir si il etait possible de faire fonction une carte wifi Broadcom Corp. BCM4312
13:03<toad>sur la dernière version stable
13:03<mtc>do you think text being garbled has to do with the graphics card? seems strange to me that text-mode would be effected by them
13:03<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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13:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:04<wool>ei como mudo para o servidor
13:04<coucouf>mtc: I had this kind of problems with a VIA chip and solved it by providing a vga= parameter to the kernel
13:04<mtc>coucouf: thanks - I will look into this option you mentioned
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13:04<coucouf>mtc: it seems to garble the moment the console font is loaded
13:05<wool>alguem sabe como mudar aquela imagem de entrada do ubuntu??a q tem a barrinha?
13:05<toad>Personne peut m'aider ?
13:05<bremner>!tell toad about fr
13:05<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:05<abrotman>wool: #ubuntu on
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13:05<abrotman>wool: /server .. then /join #ubuntu
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13:10<TobiX>Is there a way to migrate package installation state from one system to another? (Yes, I know dpkg --get/set-selections, but that does not take automatic/manual into account :()
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13:11<abrotman>you want to copy the debconf answers too ?
13:11<fxiny>!aptitude clone
13:11<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserve information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall><things to backup>
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13:14*TobiX hugs fxiny: You are my hero!
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13:15<TobiX>abrotman: Good call, those may be useful, too...
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13:22<rah>is there a debian way to change the environment variables that init scripts get called with?
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13:23<zulu>hi, how do I check if my box forward packets?
13:24<zulu>I set to 1 the option in /etc/sysctl.conf but is there a way to check a flag in /sys/... ?
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13:27<fxiny>zulu: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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13:28<zulu>humm it set to 0!!
13:28<zulu>I now set it manually to 1..
13:29<zulu>but I thought updating my /etc/sysctl.conf and doing a sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf was enought to update the kernel state..
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13:30<pawel>how to install tc?
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13:31<zulu>pawel what is tc?
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13:31<pawel>traffic shaping program
13:31<mtc>coucouf: the default vga= option on my debian 5.0 installation is vga=773
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13:32<fxiny>tc is part of iproute2
13:32<zulu>so apt-get install iproute2
13:33<coucouf>mtc: this supprises me, I think there is no vga option by default
13:33<mtc>coucouf: think I should remove the option?
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13:33<mtc>have not found a website that explains what that option means / how it can be changed
13:33<coucouf>mtc: are you sure it's not commented ?
13:33<mtc>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=773 splash
13:33<martin>uh oh
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13:34<pawel>thanks zulu
13:34<mtc>it is not commented
13:34<coucouf>mtc: it's not :)
13:34<zulu>hey how do you forward packet the debian way?
13:34<Guest967>I had a 500gb drive, i installed too, 465gb partition ext3 was already established and mounted as /home during install
13:34<zulu>setting to 1 the option in /etc/sysctl.conf is not enough?
13:34<coucouf>mtc: you can try removing it and see if it solves your problem
13:35<Guest967>nevernd, i'm stupid, once again :)
13:35<mtc>coucouf: okay - thanks again for your help
13:35<pawel>E: Couldn't find package iproute2
13:36<zulu>try iproute
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13:36<fxiny>we know why , improve your searching ability "The iproute suite, also known as iproute2"
13:37<fxiny>aka aka aka
13:37<pawel>WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
13:37<pawel>This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
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13:37<pawel> util-linux tzdata (due to util-linux)
13:37<pawel>4 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 2 to remove and 144 not upgraded.
13:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
13:38<fxiny>144 not upgraded ? whic debian flavour are you running ? sid perhaps ? :P
13:38<pawel>I don't know P
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13:39<pawel>howhat to do?
13:41<bcw>pawel, your /etc/apt/sources.list should tell you. look for a line that begins like "deb FLAVOR" and tell us what FLAVOR is
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13:42<iiv>It's strange that Exim is included in Debian distribution, Postfix really perfect (about DNS & Exim problem)
13:42<pawel>bcw: deb stable main contrib non-free
13:42<pawel>I don't think stable is a flavor
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13:43<bcw>ok, stable is now lenny but it used to be etch
13:43<bcw>you probably installed with etch, now you have packages that can be updated
13:43<MyWifeIs19>I have an old debian box set up with samba. I have a new debian etch box without samba.... what command do I use? when I tried smbclient it says smbfs file system not supported...
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13:44<pawel>is there .deb or .tar.gz with iproute?
13:46<bcw>iproute is a package available with both etch (oldstable) and lenny (stable). you shouldn't try to install .deb files directly, (again, unless you know what you're doing).
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13:46<pawel>then, what to do?
13:46<bcw>first you should finish the upgrade from etch->lenny, or at least change "stable" to "etch" if you want to keep that
13:46<pawel>I wouldn't know what I'm doing
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13:47<pawel>I can't upgrade
13:47<bcw>then change "stable" to "etch" in /etc/apt/sources.list
13:48<bcw>and do "apt-get update"
13:48<pawel>and with 'deb etch/non-US main contrib non-free' the same?
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13:49<bcw>looks like that has "etch" already
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13:49<Guest967>in some places debian seems faster than fedora, definitely feels more solid, in other places it seems slower
13:50<fxiny>places like ?
13:50<Guest967>and in installing debian i also went from an older single core, to newer dual core, better ram
13:50<Guest967>oh, lets say, fluxbox loading was near instaneous in fedora, some apps were faster in fedora
13:50<Guest967>booting/shutdown is way faster in debian
13:50*pawel is updating apt-get
13:51<fxiny>Guest967: it loaded fine here
13:51<Guest967>i've only been on this thing for an hour or so trying to get everything setup
13:51<action09>Guest967 same for me boot really quickly
13:51<fxiny>Guest967: wanna an even faster one ? try xmonad
13:51<Guest967>someone gave me instructions for nvidia drivers, is that the same if i'm running amd64?
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13:51<action09>Guest967 i boot in runlevel2, log as my user and do "startx & exit"
13:51<bremner>!tell Guest967 about nvidia
13:52<Guest967>those are the ones
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13:53<MyWifeIs19>I am on etch machine with 2.6.26 kernel. Do I still use smbclient command to mount a fold on debian woody machine setup with samba?
13:56<bcw>pawel, it should be done by now. how is it going?
13:57<pawel>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
13:57<pawel>Failed to fetch Could not resolve ''
13:57<pawel>Failed to fetch Could not resolve ''
13:57<fxiny>non-us ?
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13:57<fxiny>is non-us back ?
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13:58<pawel>deb etch/non-US main contrib non-free
13:58<fxiny>pawel: are you in the states ?
13:58<pawel>I don't think so...
13:58<pawel>no I am not.
13:58<fxiny>so ? where's non-us from ?
13:58<fxiny>an old tutorial ?
13:59<pawel>I even don't know what debian version I am running...
13:59<bcw>i don't know much about non-us (i _am_ in the US), but it looks like there's no "contrib" or "non-free" section in there
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13:59*pawel will be rigth back
13:59<bcw>oh wait
13:59<fxiny>iirc non-us was about encryption
13:59<bcw>"could not resolve"
13:59<bcw>it's not finding that server at all
14:00<bcw>pawel, try commenting out the non-us line in sources.list (put a # in front)
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14:00<pawel>I am running SSH-only hacked NAS, installed Debian from ( )
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14:01<bcw>wow... that is a most unusual way to install debian...
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14:01<pawel>that's only way to hack NAS I think...
14:01<jrk>can anyone help me with s2disk in debian lenny?
14:02<jrk>it's not problem with s2d itself
14:02<jrk>i have no battery on motherboard so everytime i boot the time is set to year 2000
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14:02<zulu>is there network guru there?
14:03<zulu> arp who-has tell
14:03<zulu>with no response of course, that's the pb
14:03<zulu>I don't remember my lesson on tcp :)
14:03<jrk>in normal booting it's no problem becouse i added synchronization with ntp in /etc/init.d
14:03<zulu>there is 2 routers
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14:03<jrk>but when i hibernate it doesn't work
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14:04<bcw>pawel, i don't know much about that .tar.bz2 package, but the "etch" in there makes it appear that it's based on debian etch.. so you have a modified etch installation
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14:04<zulu>how to tell to forward packets to because it knows about
14:05<sun>hi i have an external usb soundcard and i want songbird to send my flac music to it. where can i configure songbird to do that? from what i can tell songbird uses gstreamer, so perhaps a gstreamer mixer might work? alsamixer only shows the motherboard soundcard
14:05<pawel>nemesis arp?
14:05<pawel>zulu: nemesis arp
14:06<pawel>I 'apt-get update' d with no error.
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14:09<bcw>pawel, if you've got no error from apt-get update, try installing iproute again
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14:20<bcw>pawel, what's happening now?
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14:22<mtc>any insights into this USB problem?
14:23<mtc>have tried to add usb-storage and usbhid modules with no effect
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14:24<mtc>happens with ntfs, ext3, and fat32 usb drive devices, and the issue often takes my usb connected hub offline
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14:26<pawel>bcw: thanks, it's installing in usual way
14:26<mtc>know what package the errors refer? having some trouble finding hits in the debian bug database
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14:27<pawel>bcw: it's installed!
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14:27<bcw>pawel, good! :)
14:27<pawel>thank you very muck.
14:28<m2rt>How can I make iso image from a directory?
14:28<bcw>pawel, at some point, you probably _will_ want to upgrade. dpkg bot can tell you more about it.
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14:28<bcw>!tell pawel -about etch->lenny
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14:29<pawel>I know bout it
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14:29<bcw>oh ok
14:30<bcw>excuse me then
14:30<pawel>I can't upgrade because Linux kernel is ni NAS's chip ROM
14:30<pawel>NAS:/# uname -a
14:30<pawel>Linux NAS 2.4.27-star #1759 Wed Aug 15 03:31:19 PDT 2007 armv4l GNU/Linux
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14:31<bcw>mmm. ok, nm
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14:31<bcw>but i'm glad it's working for you as-is
14:35<bja>Sorry to bother. I recently upgraded to linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 but for the X11 server to work I need the matching nvidia-kernel package. It didn't work, so now I'm stuck with only one kernel (since / partition doesn't have enough space to hold 2) and I'm stuck on a text base console. Can anyone help??
14:36<mtc>bja: this does not help you with your problem directly, but I found the AMD video cards, especially older ones, work very well with the open source video drivers in the kernel, radeon and radeonHD
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14:38<bja>The video card is an NVIDIA quadro or something similar on a new Dell Precision M2400
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14:39<mtc>bja: does the open source nv driver work correctly?
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14:40*shakespeare is here
14:40<bja>mtc: on the previous kernel the nv driver didn't work at all so i downloaded the nvidia scripit to compile the kernel module. It complain about the version of gcc but things worked out.
14:40<shakespeare>ohh man Xubuntu is awesome
14:41<shakespeare>i just installed Intrepid on my netbook
14:41<shakespeare>with the custom Eee PC kernel... sweetness
14:41<bja>mtc: On this new kernel I tried to do the same thing but the same script complained about the gcc version, but guess what it didn't work this time.
14:41<bzed>shakespeare: please go to #ubuntu
14:41<mtc>bja: with an nvidia card, you can either use the community supported nv driver, or the nvidia-supported binary driver
14:42<fxiny>shakespeare: join #xbuntu-upon-the-avon :P
14:42<shakespeare>oh lol sry thought i was there
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14:42<mtc>bja: the nv driver does not do 3D operations, and the binary driver does not work well with the new kernels
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14:44<bja> mtc: I think the nvidia suported one is the way to go
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14:44<mtc>bja: again, AMD sells some inexpensive cards that have nice 3D support with open source drivers
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14:45<bja> mtc: sorry forgot to mention Company issued lap top NVIDIA card integrated :(
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14:48<bja>mtc: How do I recompile the kernel using the gcc I have in my computer, so i can also compile the Nvidia binaries?
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14:49<mtc>bja: you cannot compile the nvidia binaries
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14:50<mtc>that is the root of the problem - the drivers have already been compiled for you, in hopes that they will work correctly in your existing kernel
14:50<simonrvn>the only thing you actually compile is the wrapper interface
14:50<simonrvn>the binary crap is pretty much a windows driver.
14:51<bja>mtc: I know but on the nvidia site the provide a script which uses the kernel headers to compile or link a binarie for the kernel and then it all works prety well.
14:51<mtc>just get the nv drivers working, for best stability and support
14:51<bzed>mtc: they don't work with most of the cards as they were crippled by nvidia
14:52<bzed>xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is the future
14:52<bja> bzed: thanks, Does any one knows of a text based internet browser?
14:52<bzed>bja: links, elinks, w3m, links2, lynx
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14:53<bja> thank you
14:53<bzed>simonrvn: they did not ask for an operating system with integrated browser :P
14:53*bzed hides
14:53<simonrvn>heh heh
14:53<mtc>bzed: that's awesome that you can rattle off so many like that :)
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14:54<mtc>bja: links2 is really nice - was playing around with it the other day - can even do a simple graphics mode too
14:54<fxiny>when i run out of space i just remove my ~/.emacs :P
14:54<simonrvn>and you can run in fb mode too, on console
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14:54<bzed>yeah, links2 -g rocks
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14:54<Supaplex>what happens on eth0:1 when allow-hotplug is set only to eth0? should I add eth0:1 to allow-hotplug list to have the same effect? The interfaces man page is very terse in this regard.
14:55<simonrvn>i would, if that's what you want
14:55<bzed>Supaplex: I's just use ip addr add in post-up of eth0...
14:55<simonrvn>or that
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14:55<pawel>res=$(nc -l -v 2280) prints 'Connection from port 2280 [tcp/*] accepted' to screen but data received to variable. How to load both connection info and data into variable?
14:56<bja>mtc: Thanks Included by default was w3m
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14:57<TobiX>pawel: res=$(nc -l -v 2280 2>&1) ?
14:57<Supaplex>bzed: has allow-hotplug eth0:1 caused any problem before?
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14:57<fxiny>ohhh ,the bard is back :P
14:58<Scalpel>Sound problem. NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: ALC662 (onboard on asrock K10N78-Glan). Alsa sound is stuttering and cracking. Anyone know what solution? Alsa version 1.0.19.dfsg-3, kernel Linux version 2.6.26-2-amd64)
14:58<Supaplex>humm which box should I test this on...
14:58<TobiX>Scalpel: Does it stutter and crack with aplay?
14:58<Scalpel>TobiX: yes.
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14:59<pawel>TobiX: thank you very much - I was looking for answer for 3h!
14:59<TobiX>Scalpel: Even with "-D hw:0,0"?
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15:01<amanda-b>so /etc/iptables.rules is here: ... when i add "pre-up /etc/iptables.rules" to my block in /etc/network/interfaces, the machine didn't come up properly. since it's a hosted server i can't see the console, but i had to have them remove that line. is the pre-up syntax right? or is something else wrong? (file permissions?)
15:01<Scalpel>aplay: set_params:961: Sample format non available
15:02<pawel>oh... res=$(nc -l -v 2280 2>&1) does not work...
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15:02<Ben90>does any know where i could go and get some unofficial debian repositories?
15:02<TobiX>Scalpel: Nasty... Your card does only a limited set of sample rates, so alsa has to convert... And it seems to do a bad job...
15:03<Scalpel>TobiX: yeah, read that seems a problem with a lot of onboard mb's.
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15:04<Ben90>apt-get is too outdated.
15:04<Ben90>anything else?
15:04<bja>mtc: The show is up and runnig right now, it seems that the kernel module installs itself but it doesn have any dependencies marked to the nvidia-glx package which was missing
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15:05<mtc>bja: am not a good person to ask about the nvidia-glx package - been a loyal ati card customer since they opened their drivers
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15:06<Ben90>also does anyone know how i can get the sound in zsnes to work in alsa output mode?
15:06<Supaplex>bzed: apparently allow-hotplug has no effect on alias interfaces.
15:06<Ben90>and what will that do for me?
15:06<bja>mtc: my next move is to replace my homes computer video card for an Ati one.
15:07<mtc>ben90: let's get to what you're asking - you are looking to play games on your computer?
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15:07<Kilerhageman>What's the apt-get for JAVA?
15:07<bcw>"This site was inspired by Unofficial APT repositories, and it was created because's database is heavily polluted with ancient data..."
15:07<bja>bzed: thanks for the link, saved my neck
15:07<mtc>ben90: you should take a look at the ubuntu distribution - built on debian technology but there are a lot of people in that community like you who are just wanting a good gaming rig
15:07<bja>Have to work Bye every one
15:08<mtc>bja: hey
15:08<manpoole>i installed xubuntu and .deb files will not open with a double click shouldnt they?
15:08<Kilerhageman>What's the apt-get for JAVA?
15:08<Ben90>when i use the debian version of zsnes the sound won't work properly
15:08<Ben90>except in sdl
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15:08<Ben90>and i don't like sdl.
15:08<mtc>bja: drat, missed him
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15:09<TobiX>Scalpel: Try to get your applications to play 48000 Hz or 44100 Hz sound to your card - so ALSA doesn't have to resample and you can use better resampling algorithms...
15:09<mtc>ben90: telling you - the ubuntu community has lots of documentation on how to get this to work - they even have supported repositories for all the games you want to play
15:09<torrancew>anyone in here python savvy? i'm looking to redirect some output from a python script to use it in a shell script...
15:10<Ben90>ok but how do i get my gamepad to work in ubuntu?
15:10<bcw>torrancew, maybe i can help. where's the script?
15:10<Scalpel>TobiX: will try hang on
15:10<mtc>ben90: join the #ubuntu channel on and they will be very happy to help you
15:11<torrancew>well, it's actually a webproxy i found at
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15:11<mtc>ben90: also search for "ubuntu games" on the web
15:12<torrancew>bcw: sorry, should have tagged you there
15:12<TobiX>Scalpel: mplayer has a -srate option, try playing with that to find correct sample rates...
15:12<Scalpel>TobiX: thnx
15:13*Supaplex kisses the 8 ups systems in the room.
15:13<Supaplex>power blip :)
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15:13<bcw>torrancew, that's ok. i'm looking over the script, hang on
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15:16<amanda-b>is there a howto on using pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces?
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15:17<Supaplex>amanda-b: man interfaces talks about it a little.
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15:18<bcw>torrancew, i'm afraid i don't know a lot about socket scripts in python. but i can think of two general strategies you might pursue: redirect the script
15:18<bcw>'s output in the shell
15:18<bcw>or make a replacement object that supports the same interface
15:19<Kilerhageman>I'm installing java, but it says shit...
15:19<Kilerhageman>rsserver@F0rums:~/server$ fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
15:19<Kilerhageman>Error: The file "jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin" does not exist.
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15:19<torrancew>bcw, any attempts at standard i/o redirection (| > etc) don't redirect the output i'm trying to grep
15:20<bcw>torrancew, right, i thought that might be .. so how about the second way?
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15:20<torrancew>bcw, i may eventually be able to get it, but i'm not actually a python programmer. compiled languages are more my specialty
15:21<torrancew>bcw: could you give me any advice on how to go about it?
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15:22<coucouf>Kilerhageman: aptitude install openjdk-6-jre ?
15:23<Kilerhageman>I'll try
15:23<bcw>torrancew, i'm not sure exactly... i would have to take more time and study the script. but basically, you would define a class that supports the same methods, possibly a subclass, and have it send the output to stdout
15:23<torrancew>bcw, what's the proper way to send it to stdout in python?
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15:24<bcw>two ways: either just use " print 'blah' " statement, or "import sys; sys.stdout.write('blah')"
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15:24<torrancew>alright, thanks bcw
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15:29<bcw>damn, i just found the file-like object that script is using. he should wrap that... but he's gone
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15:32<Scalpel>TobiX: I can't seem to figure the right frequency out. The very weird thing however is that flash movies from youtube are played without any problems (adpbe flash 10). I suspect it to be indeed a alsa problem.
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15:34<Delphi>hiya, anyone around who could help me with partimage?
15:34<TobiX>Scalpel: Hmm, strange. One last idea: Could you try different "-srate" options on mplayer while using "-ao alsa:device=hw0.0" ?
15:36<Scalpel>TobiX: any suggentions for srate (I tried a lot like 44100 48000 44800 16000 32000 8000 4000)
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15:37<TobiX>Most cards use 48000 or 44100, I don't think any consumer device uses HIGHER values and lower values would sound aweful...
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15:39<bja>I don't know if this is relevant or not, but it is indeed a nuisance the stock kernel of lenny is compiled with gcc version 4.1 and the available version of gcc for the same release is 4.3.2 is this a bug or am I beeing too picky?
15:39<TobiX>Scalpel: dmix might be the culprit: ...
15:41<TobiX>Scalpel: I'm stupid. Try (while playing something on the sound card): "cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params" ...
15:41<mtc>bja: I was going to recommend to you, before you left before, that you seek out ati/amd cards that use the R500 chipset
15:42<mtc>bja: these work the best with the radeonHD 3D drivers, and they are very inexpensive
15:42<bja> I see
15:42<mtc>bja: the more modern and popular R600 and R700 chips do not have 3D supported well at all yet
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15:43<Scalpel>TobiX: see msg
15:43<mtc>I got told that, but bought an R600 chipset anyway, and I have been waiting over a year for proper 3D support
15:43<bja>mtc: I think the new video card will have to wait a few months, so when its time I'll ask you again, but anyway i wrote it down
15:44<mtc>.. though, I do love never having to worry about kernel upgrades anymore :) and the 2D accelleration works wonderful for dual-wide-screen display
15:44<mtc>bja: start watching the used electronics markets (craigslist, ebay) for the cards, and you'll be able to pick them up for <$50 by the time you need them
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15:45<bja>mtc: Sound great
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15:47<coucouf>mtc: radeonhd doesn't have 3D support so far, but radeon does indeed up to R500
15:48<mtc>oh, yes, technically the radeonHD is for R600 and R700 chipsets, so that is true what you said, coucouf
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15:49<mtc>oh, actually, the radeonHD is for R500, R600, and R700, but the 3D support is there for R500 chips, according to this wikipedia article
15:49<coucouf>mtc: radeonhd supports R500 in fact, but we're close to agreeing :)
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15:51*bcw was wrong... wrapping the file-like object is not necessary in this script. i hope torrancew comes back
15:52<coucouf>mtc: ok, I didn't know that
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15:53<coucouf>I wonder how radeon and radeonhd compare regarding 3D perfs on R500 hardware then, I haven't seen any such comparison yet
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15:54<mtc>coucouf: phoronix is tracking these types of questions
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15:57<Kilerhageman>-bash: bin.: command not found
15:57<Kilerhageman>-bash: mysql-connector.jar: command not found
15:57<Kilerhageman>ANyone help?
15:57<mtc>Kilerhageman: what was the question?
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15:57<Kilerhageman>I need to run a java thingy
15:57<Kilerhageman>I installed openjdk
15:58<Kilerhageman>But it's now saying things about memory heap, and what I stated above...
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16:02<Supaplex>Kilerhageman: run this: which java
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16:02<Kilerhageman>rsserver@F0rums:~/server$ which java
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16:03<Kilerhageman>: /usr/bin/java
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16:06<coucouf>mtc: yes, I read it often, but I hadn't even realised radeonhd had 3D support, and I am sure they haven't done such a comparison
16:07<mtc>coucouf: oh - I just mean to say that I do not know, but it might be there - if you are very curious, the site has a channel on freenode, too
16:07<coucouf>mtc: I'll give it a try
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16:08<Supaplex>Kilerhageman: I think you need java -jar mysql-connector.jar but I don't know what you're trying to do. perhaps a java channel would be more suited for java stuff.
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16:10<Antiochus>how can i add the keyboard layout indicator on my panel?
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16:11<adb>right click on panel ?
16:11<Antiochus>oh sorry
16:11<Antiochus>in the XFCE session
16:12<Antiochus>there is no any option like that
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16:13<Torsten_W>Antiochus: here, there is
16:13<Torsten_W>"add new item
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16:17<pawel>thank you for all help I received here
16:18<adb>Kilerhageman: ls -al /etc/alternatives/ |grep java , seeks for jar/java symlink
16:18<adb>man update-alternatives
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16:24<Antiochus>i have to browse to find it, have i?
16:24<Antiochus>where can i find it?
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16:28<washi>hello, I'd like to prepackage two rpm packages to .deb, these are canon binary drivers, made for fedora
16:28<washi>some ubuntu folks have made
16:28<washi>but won;t work under debian
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16:28<washi>can anyone give a link to a simple howto
16:29<washi>so I can prepackage those
16:29<bcw>alien can do it
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16:29<washi>alien won't work
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16:29<washi>It does prodice debs
16:29<washi>after installing, they won;t work
16:29<bcw>i see
16:30<washi>ubuntu's prepackaged too
16:30<washi>so I want to make my own
16:30<washi>but don't know how
16:31<washi>could you please give a link to a howto or a manual; I may then upload them somewhere on the net
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16:32<bcw>then i don't know either, the only rpm to deb work i've done is with alien
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16:37<Antiochus>where can i find the keyboard indicator to add to the panel?
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16:38<D6>Hi. Maybe not-Debian related question, but why I can write to a file with -r--r--r-- permissions?
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16:39<m2rt>Hey, how can I write an iso image from a directory?
16:39<bcw>D6, are you logged in as root?
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16:39<D6>bcw: yeah
16:39<bcw>then it's simple, root can read/write anything
16:39<bcw>regardless of permissions
16:40<D6>bcw: is there a way to disable this? :)
16:40<bcw>no, i don't think so
16:40<bcw>that's what root is for
16:40<bcw>fixing problems no one else can
16:40<D6>ok, thanks :)
16:40<Gathond>installing selinux may add some ACL that can restrict this
16:41<frank>grsec or selinux could
16:41<bcw>ah, yeah, that's possible
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16:41<Gathond>but really someone should have access or at least be able to chance the ACL
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16:51<bcw>m2rt, genisoimage is the cmdline tool for doing that
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16:52<m2rt>thanks bcw
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16:57<bcw>m2rt, um... when you say "write an iso image from a directory", you mean create an iso from the files in a directory, right? (not burn an existing iso in a certain directory to a CD?)
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16:58<bcw>the command line tool for doing the latter is wodim
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17:05<bcw>hello VuDuChilD .. nice nick, btw :)
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17:12<amanda-b>so if i use "pre-up /etc/iptables.rules" in /etc/network/interfaces ... /etc/iptables.rules needs to be chmod +x, yes?
17:13<Supaplex>or pre-up sh /etc/iptables.rules assuming it's actually a shell script.
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17:13<Supaplex>pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.saved might even work.
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17:21<hello>can some one help
17:21<hello>i have trouble with zydas1211b & aircrack-ng
17:21<hello>injection not working
17:21<hello>i have the core kernel 2.6.27
17:22<hello>what patches are need for good work for wifi crack
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17:25<Supaplex>!tell hello -about ask
17:25<Supaplex>try a new nick while you're at it. I'd offer more help, but my day job becons me. good luck.
17:26<streuner_>he surely need a patch to use the sniffer with EVERY feature...
17:26<streuner_>thats what the default driver surely not supports
17:26<streuner_>very special question then
17:27<ml>!tell hello -about aircrack
17:28<air>aaaa i cannot think anymore
17:28<air>this 61hz just disable me :))
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17:29<ml>hello: dpkg messages
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17:30<dpkg>from memory, aircrack-ng is a suite of wireless WPA/WEP cracking utilities, forked from aircrack. #aircrack-ng on
17:30<streuner_>good call
17:31<shadouts>sometimes when my system is idle, even when I'm not connected to the net, my HD will start working full-on. What's going on? It doesn't seem to be clearing disk space or using disk space. It doesn't seem to be changing the swap either.
17:31<kenyon>shadouts: cron running something?
17:32<cahoot>some tracker / indexing ?
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17:33<mtc>shadouts: you have beagle installed?
17:33<mtc>or google desktop?
17:33<shadouts>kenyon: I havn't set any cron times so anything that would be happening with that would be some debian defaults
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17:34<shadouts>cahoot mtc: no nothing installed like that
17:34<mtc>shadouts: do you use a gui?
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17:34<cahoot>slocate or such running updatedb at intervals?
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17:35<cahoot>shadouts: check top when it happens
17:35<shadouts>cahoot: good plan. It doesn't seem to use much cpu though. I just hear my HD working like crazy
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17:36<cahoot>well if all else is idle it would turn up - no?
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17:36<mtc>shadouts: think memory is getting written to a swap space maybe?
17:36<cahoot>and top can be run in batch mode
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17:36<shadouts>mtc: no no swap gets used. Stays at 0
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17:38<shadouts>X powersaving features perhaps? I'm on an old laptop. Maybe it's just noisy and sounds like it's working harder than it is
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17:39<snogglethorpe>shadouts: you don't mean the debian daily cron stuff do you? (e.g., updating the locate db etc)
17:40<snogglethorpe>that's the main cause on my system of sudden unprompted disk activity
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17:45<shadouts>snogglethorpe: That may be it, whatever debian default sets for cron. I don't know. I havn't changed anything there
17:46<snogglethorpe>shadouts: it is on by default afaik
17:46<snogglethorpe>(i've certainly never turned it on explicitly, and my machines have been doing it as long as i can remember...)
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17:46<shadouts>well it's a good feature. doesn't cause me problems and I use locate a lot.
17:47<snogglethorpe>shadouts: if your machine suddenly starts doing that, you might trying doing a system-wide ps (e.g. ps aux), and see if that's it
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17:50<kenyon>see /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.*
17:50<kenyon>daily runs at 0625 on my install.
17:50<shadouts>snogglethorpe: does it run under the main root cron??
17:54<shadouts>hey thanx. Looks like that's it. I runs a locate db update at that time
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17:57<snogglethorpe>shadouts: so it's a cause for comfort, not worry :)
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18:01<mtc>new news today on the R600/R700 drivers
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18:17<shadouts>I really appreciate the debian crew putting support for my wifi card into lenny. But still ndiswrapper seemed to work smoother. If I so chose to uninstall the debian driver to use ndiswrapper how would I go about it?
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18:21<air>hi all
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18:22<air>does anybody know how to set up video mode?
18:22<air>i used gtf 1280 1024 100
18:22<air>and put it into xorg.conf
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18:22<air>then added subsection display
18:22<abrotman>use xrandr?
18:22<air>and 1280x1024 for depth24
18:23<air>thanks, will try
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18:23<air>oops, there's no xrandr :)
18:24<abrotman>should be
18:24<abrotman>how did you install X?
18:24<air>for root there is xrandr
18:24<air>i just used first dvd of debian 5.0
18:25<abrotman>dpkg: find bin/xrandr lenny
18:25<air>i ran it but didn't yet understand what to do with it
18:26<air>it actually set that mode: 1280x1024
18:26<simonrvn>wtf is this gtf thing i see once in a while?
18:26<air>but retrace is 60hz instead of 100
18:26<air>gtf produces modeline for xorg.conf
18:27<air>seems like it will be better to install ati drivers firstly
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18:33<gravity>simonrvn: It creates modelines
18:33<simonrvn>ah, 'k
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18:35<air>heh, it seems like i can't use xrandr
18:36<air>because i don't know the name of output
18:36<air>and nothing in xorg.conf points to it
18:36<abrotman>if you just run 'xrandr' .. it should tell you the output names
18:36<abrotman>like mine has VGA and LVDS
18:37<air>here it doesn't tell neither vga nor lvds
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18:39<air>^ output from xrandr
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18:40<air>abrotman, is there anything about output, could you have a look?
18:41<abrotman>your current resolution is already 1280x1024
18:41<air>but not 100hz
18:41<abrotman>and your refresh is 101
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18:41<abrotman>erm .. 191 ?
18:41<air>right now it's 60
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18:42<air>even if it tells that it's 100
18:42<abrotman>what is telling you that it's 60?
18:42<abrotman>is it an LCD?
18:42<air>no, it's crt
18:42<air>so it's kinda clear to see that it's 60
18:44<air>and at screen resolution preferencies it shows 101hz
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18:44<air>initially it set up 1920xsomething 60hz
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18:50<air>lol, seems like i won't be able to even add repos, 'cause my head starts to float due to 60hz XD
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19:13<zumbi>i was installing mysql in testing, but it fails on the postinst (same issue on postgrsql).
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19:14<mtc>channel not mysql support
19:15<zumbi>mtc: it is mysql-server-5.0 debian package
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19:16<zumbi>invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
19:16<zumbi>^Cdpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)
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19:18<zumbi>it is a bug #516497
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19:20*dpkg feeds ml to the crocs.
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19:47<fabiomadrid>ciao, ho un problena con la installazione del debian
19:47<fabiomadrid>qualcuno puó aiutarmi?
19:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:47<mtc>I should be able to mount a local NFS share on my own machine, right?
19:48<mtc>been a while since I did this - little rusty with the specifics
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19:53<mtc>nothing in either hosts.allow or hosts.deny - yet still getting a permission denied error
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19:59<mtc>oooh .. neat .. I configured the share as ro, but mount was trying to use it as rw
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20:05<sun>hi i have an external usb sound card and i want to send audio to it but it doesnt show up in alsamixer. how do i play music over to it? audacious shows it under alsa output plugin configuration, but then audacious crashes so much (i have mostly flacs and i think there's some buggy flac in audacious)
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20:10<davi>What package for video edition?
20:10<mtc>sun does it show up in "lsusb" ?
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20:11<mtc>sun you can try ogg123 from the command line
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20:15<sun>mtc no not in lsusb. its connected through a usb hub, so i see the hub but i dont think i see the things past the hub.
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20:18<glow_wolf>how do i install wvdial from command line
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20:20<mtc>sun that is interesting - I would test it without that hub before troubleshooting
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20:25<mtc>hiya hellues
20:26<hellues>i format my home partition as ext4
20:26<hellues>my home follder was ext3
20:26<al64x>hi all
20:26<hellues>but i delete my home and i create this as ext4
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20:26<mtc>hi al64x
20:26<mtc>cd ..
20:27<hellues>i took that error
20:27<hellues>can someone check out
20:27<al64x>what the topic here? just installed ubuntu and getting to really like this bad liitle puppy
20:27<hellues>my kernel 2.6.29
20:27<al64x>ubuntu that is
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20:28<hellues>hey pls someone answer me
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20:29<karim>is there a tool like diff that operates just on filenames and directory differences ?
20:29<firefox>al64x: pssst. this is #debian
20:30<firefox>hellues: console: fdisk -l
20:33<hellues>firefox, when i reboot my machine it says you home directory doesnt exist
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20:33<firefox>hellues: hmmm.. let me look em both over
20:34<hellues>i jjust use gparted and i formatted as ext4
20:35<firefox>hellues: that fix it? or before the problem?
20:36<hellues>it cause the mount problem
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20:36<hellues>i formatted my home folder as ext4
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20:37<hellues>it gives error invalid method argument and formatted it succesfully
20:37<hellues>than i took error in the link
20:37<hellues>bad option blah blah
20:37<hellues>mount error
20:38<firefox>hellues: console: mount -t ext4 /dev/sda2 /home
20:39<hellues>it seems i didnt take any mistake
20:39<hellues>but i reboot my machine
20:40<firefox>hellues: no errors?
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20:40<hellues>must i change /etc/fstab
20:40<hellues>no errors
20:40<firefox>hellues: yeah just change the ext3 to ext4
20:41<hellues>okey i reboot my machine
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20:41<hellues>i said the result to you
20:41<firefox>hellues: for th /dev/sda2 one in fstab... you can reboot to test but it should be working now
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20:41<hellues>we will see
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20:53<adb>Guest1027: why need list ?
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21:18<LordLestat>hi...i wanna know if Lenny have suport to HD SATA...anyone can help me?
21:18<LordLestat>well i have installed the Lenny Beta 2 in my pc and
21:18<LordLestat>the Debian starts
21:19<LordLestat>but... the grafic interface are with problems...the videos is strange...out of it place
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21:31<wool>como mudar a imagem do ubuntu aquela quando ta iniciando que fica uma barinha abaixo??
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21:44<sun>hi whats a simple simple audio player that can play flac? im looking for an xmms replacement. audacious is very flaky in my experience.
21:45<jrabbit>all of them
21:45<jrabbit>if yo have the codec any decent player will play it
21:46<sun>jrabbit what do you use
21:46<jrabbit>I don't use debian as a desktop
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21:47<sun>jrabbit so you use windows for your desktop?
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21:57<dpkg>hello, ml
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23:06<ShikadiLord>oops, sorry :p
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23:15<syntax>after installing Debian 5 and postgresql, what type of magic do I need to perform to get the database server started?
23:15<syntax> /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 start doesn't seem to do anything
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23:22<syntax>hmm, found the solution. the default installation of postgresql doesn't seem to create any database clusters, so I had to use pg_createcluster 8.3 test1 to create one
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23:29<adb>judd: versions base-files
23:29<judd>adb: base-files -- etch: 4 etch-backports: 4.0.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 5 sid: 5.0 squeeze: 5.0
23:30<adb>judd: versions base-pasword
23:30<judd>adb: base-pasword --
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23:31<adb>judd: versions base-passwd
23:31<judd>adb: base-passwd -- etch: 3.5.11 lenny: 3.5.20 sid: 3.5.21 squeeze: 3.5.21
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23:51<adb>judd: versions debootstrap
23:51<judd>adb: debootstrap -- etch: sid: 1.0.10 lenny: 1.0.10lenny1 sid: 1.0.10lenny1 squeeze: 1.0.10lenny1 sid: 1.0.12
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23:52<adb>hmm, sid has two versions
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