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00:13<enouf>adb: yeah, judd hiccups a bit on certain things
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00:14<adb>heh ;)
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01:17<mrw>is there any way to invert the color palette in Xorg, so that white becomes black etc?
01:17<mrw>like this:
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01:42<deniz>what's the difference between sudo iptables -L and sudo iptables -nL
01:43<goodger>looks like the latter has an -n flag passed to it
01:46<mrw>deniz: -n means don't do a reverse DNS lookup, i believe
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03:53<beer>will neotool (a script to flash phone) be available in sid soon?
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04:00<deniz>empathy works with the msn protocol as of which version?
04:01<gsimmons>beer: No, see bug #504131. The critical security issues are described in
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04:06<chris__>anyone here have the intel gma 2.7.0 driver working with lenny?
04:08<Supaplex>yup. that's what he said.
04:08<beer>I was jus setting a sd card inot my computer and could not understand why the I could see it trough the gui, then i ran a dmesg and I did see " mmc1: error -84 whilst initialising SD card". What does that mean?
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04:09<chris__>with the latest version of debian
04:09<beer>nope with lenny
04:09<kfe>it works fine on squeeze/sid with me
04:09<chris__>how the hell do you build the driver
04:10<kfe>why building? the package installs well
04:10<chris__>i showed bob the builder however he doesnt have an effin clue
04:10<chris__>theres a 2.7.0 package?
04:10<chris__>you sure you're not refering to an earlier package
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04:11<Supaplex>haha. bob is tEh lame on linux. ;]
04:11<cahoot>does it offer anything besides worse performance?
04:11<Supaplex>it's even more lame on windows
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04:11<chris__>fixes svideo
04:12<cahoot>i see
04:12<kfe>yes there is a package in sid
04:12<chris__>whats the apt-get install command to get the ver in the repository
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04:13<kfe>sudo aptitude -t unstable install xserver-xorg-video-intel
04:13<kfe>sorry don't use apt-get
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04:14<chris__>after it installs do i reboot or can i configure x first
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04:14<kfe>restarting the x-server is enough
04:14<kfe>i didn't had to configure my xorg.conf
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04:14<chris__>how do i do that without restarting the system
04:15<kfe>do you use kdm or gdm?
04:15<chris__>is kdm better?
04:15<kfe>logout and search for an option with phrase like restart xserver ;-)
04:16<kfe>or hit ctrl+alt+del
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04:17<chris>ohh noes
04:17<faheem>Hi. If I plug in a usb stick, it doesn't pop up a window on lenny, but used to on etch.
04:18<chris>somebody call a dr
04:18<chris>i just killed x
04:18<Supaplex>well startx already
04:18<faheem>I'm assuming it should on lenny too.
04:18<cahoot>doctors are of little use for already dead
04:18<faheem>How could I debug this?
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04:19<cahoot>faheem: tried system-removable devices?
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04:19<faheem>sorry, I mean it would mount the stick automatically.
04:19<faheem>cahoot: sorry not sure what you mean.
04:20<faheem>the window pops up in kde.
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04:20<cahoot>faheem: (menu) system-prefs-removable devices
04:20<faheem>don't know if it is kde doing the mounting.
04:20<faheem>which meanu is that?
04:20<faheem>meanu -> menu, sorry.
04:20<Supaplex>is the usb-viagra all used up?
04:21<cahoot>faheem: sorry I got the impressio you used gnome
04:22<dpkg>viagra is probably the nickname for the Woody Tech Support Crew, or
04:22<zumbi>hi - is somebody having trouble installing with mysql-server ?
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04:22<faheem>does the base system mount usb mass devices automatically, or is this a desktop manager thing?
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04:22<faheem>I mean, like gnome/kde?
04:23<chris>debian with gnome i plug in my usb stick and its mounts the volume auto
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04:24<cahoot>faheem: yes the *de is of importance, else lok at ivman
04:25<faheem>so the base system doesn't do anything?
04:25<Supaplex>dpkg: viagra =~ s#, or
04:25<dpkg>OK, Supaplex
04:27<dpkg>Test Failed.
04:27<ml>!tell faheem -about fstab
04:28<faheem>I know what fstab is.
04:28<faheem>I thought there was possibly some magic with udev or whatever.
04:28<dpkg>methinks pmount is "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount).
04:28<faheem>Supaplex: thanks, interesting.
04:29<Supaplex>I don't know how to automagically automount it though.
04:29<faheem>does this use udev then?
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04:29<Supaplex>no idea
04:30<ml>!feed me
04:30*dpkg gives ml a feeding he'll *never* forget.
04:30<Supaplex>!lart class 1 flash media
04:30*dpkg strangles class 1 flash media with a doohicky mouse cord
04:31<Supaplex>gnome-volume-manager - GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices
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04:31<Supaplex>apt-cache search hal hal cool is that... ? :)
04:32<faheem>Supaplex: what's the kde equivalent?
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04:33<Supaplex>apt-cache search hal kde ... doesn't show much. maybe the kde channel has more answers.
04:34<mrw>is there any way to invert the color palette in Xorg, so that white becomes black etc?
04:34<mrw>like this:
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04:38<faheem>Supaplex: ok, thanks.
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04:44<lonestar>faheem: can you manually mount the usb stick ? (is it discovered correctly)
04:45<Supaplex>cat /proc/partitions and/or reinsert usb stick and review dmesg | tail
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04:58<faheem>lonestar: yes, I can mount it, no problem.
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04:59<faheem>lonestar: I have an entry in /etc/fstab which works.
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05:01<Supaplex>dude, where's my last 3 hours? it's 3am already?!?$*!$(!#
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05:04<snogglethorpe>Supaplex: you didn't wake up in a pile of your own vomit did you?
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05:04<snogglethorpe>sounds good to me then
05:04<snogglethorpe>no vomit == yay!
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05:05<Supaplex>!vomit on the bills
05:05<Supaplex>meh. :p
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05:08<lonestar>faheem: in the popup dialog for removeable devices, you can choose to "always do nothing". i guess you didnt click on that ? (you can check at kde control center: peripherals->storage media->notifications->unmounted removable medium)
05:09<ml>faheem: this might help ...
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05:10<lonestar>ml, faheem: i don't have autofs here and the popup still works. but i guess this might at least be another way to achieve this.
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05:11<faheem>lonestar: I've looked at the control center, but do be honest, I don't understand what I'm seeing, and the help doesn't work.
05:12<lonestar>faheem: did you select "unmounted removable medium" on the dropdown box ?
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05:13<faheem> lonestar:I don't recall having ever touched it previous to looking at it just now.
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05:13<faheem>if that is what you are asking.
05:14<lonestar>faheem: yep. pls take a look there.
05:14<faheem>lonestar: OK, i
05:15<faheem>I've selected it, now what?
05:15<lonestar>is there a "(auto action)" beneath the do nothing option ?
05:16<faheem>lonestar: above it, on the left, yes.
05:16<faheem>I selected it, and I get a box, which says toggle as auto action.
05:16<lonestar>faheem: ok do not enable the auto action. just wanted to check it isnt already enabled.
05:17<lonestar>faheem: if it is it will look like: "Do Nothing (Auto action)"
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05:17<lonestar>faheem: as this would prevent the popup...
05:18<lonestar>faheem: so if that isn't enabled it looks like a different problem :(
05:18<faheem>the auto action says open in new window (auto action)
05:19<lonestar>faheem: ok. that should be ok. you won't get the popup then, but instead a new window will open automatically...
05:19<lonestar>faheem: you might try to disable the autoaction there too, so that you should get the popup...
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05:20<faheem>lonestar: don't follow that last bit.
05:20<faheem>disable what auto action?
05:21<lonestar>faheem: if "Open in new windows (auto action)" is active. then you won't get a popup on new devices, but instead a new konqueror window will open with the content of the mounted partition.
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05:21<lonestar>faheem: if you toggle the "auto action" to disable it. kde will ask you by using the popup, what you want to do.
05:22<faheem>lonestar: ok, I see. currently, nothing happens at all, so there must be some other problem.
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05:22<lonestar>faheem: ok
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05:23<LqR>Hello, I am thinking about possible back-up solutions, and my current best idea would be to take incremental back-ups with rsync of /home/ and /etc/ and during these back-ups also dump the list of installed packages through apt. Then, when restoring, I'd first put back all the files in /etc/ and /home/, then reboot and let apt reinstall everything (probably with some "do not overwrite configuration files and don't ask" switch). Would
05:23<LqR>this be a good solution, and/or can anyone come up with a better one?
05:24<faheem>LqR: for /etc at least, might be better off using version control.
05:24<faheem>eg. etckeeper.
05:24<lonestar>faheem: check if youve got kdebase-kio-plugins installed.
05:24<faheem>lonestar: ok sec.
05:25<LqR>I used to run etckeeper against git, but I never really got my head around git, especially on setting up servers and such
05:25<faheem>lonestar: yes.
05:25<faheem>LqR: yes, git is not optimal.
05:25<lonestar>faheem: maybe the package hal has something to do with that - not sure though.
05:25<LqR>Trouble is, my proposed back-up-server's not always online
05:25<faheem>is etckeeper hardwired to use git?
05:25<LqR>No, it's not.
05:26<lonestar>faheem: and hal-device-manager
05:26<faheem>I like mercurial
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05:26<LqR>Everybody seems to have their own favorite these days
05:26<faheem>lonestar: apparently this one wasn't. installing now
05:26<LqR>How hard is mercurial to deploy?
05:26<faheem>LqR: lots of people like mercurial.
05:27<faheem>LqR: rather easier than git I think.
05:27<faheem>I've used mercurial for a long time, svn before that. Still have a hard time doing simple things with git.
05:27<LqR>That's good. Maybe I'll look into it.
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05:28<LqR>I've only used svn for writing very briefly
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05:29<faheem>lonestar: is hal-device-manager necessary for this kde thing to work?
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05:29<lonestar>faheem: honestly - i dont know. it is installed on my machine...
05:29<faheem>LqR: don't like svn myself. Think distributed is the way to go.
05:30<LqR>Hm. Is there some sort of unsynchronised version control system?
05:30<faheem>LqR: ?
05:30<LqR>i.e revisions are stored locally, then committed in batch when I'm backing up to my server
05:31<faheem>LqR: well, you can always push revisions in chunks, upto a specified revision.
05:31<LqR>Hm. I'm just thinking if it could be done with etckeeper
05:31<faheem>true of hg, probably true of git as well.
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05:32<LqR>I think so
05:32<faheem>commit not the right word above. commit locally, then push to remote.
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05:33<LqR>Sorry, I'm not really used to the terminology
05:34<LqR>Well, I suppose I have some R:ing of TFM to do.
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05:37<ml>LqR: rsnapshot
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05:38<faheem>also rdiff-backup
05:38<hotone>hi all, need some help with new lenny install
05:39<ml>!tell hotone -about ask
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05:41<marina>I have a GeForce4 MX 440 card. Is there an open source driver I can use to get some openGL acceleration?
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05:41<marina>(using debian lenny)
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05:42<Remi>I think only closed drivers give openGL accel marina
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05:43<marina>Remi: I don't know, I've heard of several open source projects to get some acceleration on nvidia cards recently
05:43<marina>I thought somebody might know more
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05:47<valdyn>marina: apt-cache search
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05:48<marina>ok, will do
05:48<omg_onoez>hi, i am running debian lenny stable on my netbook and i am having some problems with automounting
05:48<omg_onoez>heres what konquerror says
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05:49<omg_onoez>and here is dmesg|tail
05:49<omg_onoez>could someone help me?
05:49<omg_onoez>sry for my english
05:49<marina>mmm, can't find the nouveau driver
05:49<marina>perhaps it isn't in the distro yet
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05:50<Rimaille>omg_onoez, i dont know how automount works, but i use pcmanfm file manager and it works (pcmanfm is very very light,perfect for a netbook)
05:51<themill>omg_onoez: add yourself to the plugdev group
05:51<omg_onoez>themill, thx
05:53<marina>ok, it's not supported yet:
05:53<marina>thanks anyways
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06:15<Immolo>Hi, I'm having an issue with my usb keyboard when I press the shift button with the ? button it does a looping alt+tab effect but on my ps/2 keyboard it works fine I've tried changing the battery and resyncing it but the same issue is still there
06:15<Immolo>any ideas?
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06:20<shay26>Hello , i suspect my laptop got some bad sectors (maybe fall down or got hit.. ) , i am new to Ubuntu/Linux , how can i check my hdd from bad sectors ? if there are bad sectors does it possible to mark them so the system will not write data on thos sectors ?
06:22<ml>shay26: ask in #ubuntu
06:23<cahoot>shay26: if you actually have bad sectors you want a replacement
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06:35*action09 oy
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06:43<SATE>hey there
06:43<SATE>anyboy ?
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06:44<SATE>what is it?
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06:59<coucouf>marina: nouveau isn't in a usable state concerning 3D, and it's currently only in experimental
07:00<coucouf>marina: have a look here
07:02<coucouf>marina: if you really want open source 3D, you best bet is an AMD card with an R300-R500 chip
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07:17<abc>How to completly let Debian switch from R.A.M.? In Knoppix there is an option called "toram" is there (with enough space left) a possibility to copy " / "-Directory with Subdirectorys and Files into R.A.M. and let "/home/" link to an H.D.D. Partition? Where to find hints for such Memoryproblem? Is the option "toram" portable to Debian on a "H.D.D."? Thank you for answers.
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07:18<fxiny>Woet: screen scrollback buffer ? C-a [
07:18<Woet>fxiny: with a script please.
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07:19<Woet>i'm not sure what you exactly mean
07:19<Woet>but i want something along the lines of 'screen -r', which simply returns the scrollback and that's all
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07:23<fxiny>Woet: screen logging ? C-a h
07:23<fxiny>dunno with a script
07:23<Woet>fxiny: what do you mean with 'C -a h'
07:23<Woet>key inputs?
07:23<fxiny>Woet: it dumps to a file
07:23<Woet>are those key inptus?
07:23<fxiny>Woet: press Control then a then h
07:23<Woet>okay, exatly
07:23<Woet>and i need it in a bash script
07:24<themill>!wayttd Woet
07:24<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, Woet?
07:24<Woet>Trying to get the text inside the screen to use it further on
07:24*Woet sighs
07:24<Woet>because I want the users of my hosting business to see the output of their gameserver
07:24<Nemoder>Woet: run screen with -L to enable logging?
07:25<Woet>Nemoder: I'll have a look
07:25<themill>Woet: then just having the output logged either by screen or script would be sufficient
07:25<Woet>themill: that's what Nemoder just said, yea.
07:26<Nemoder>anyone have an opinion of upstart vs sysvinit?
07:26<themill>Woet: but I wouldn't run it within screen anyway -- if you just need the output, then just redirect stdout and stderr to a file.
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07:29<themill>Woet: whenever you can't see how to do something, particularly with something as featureful as screen, it's probably because you're asking the wrong question. Hence we ask you to take a step back and explain the real problem not the minutiae of where you're stuck. /msg dpkg xyproblem
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07:29<Woet>themill: i tried that before
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07:29<Woet>and I always get suggesitons which are completely beyond my question
07:29<Woet>if I ask how to change a password with a bash script, I have my reasons to ask this
07:29<Woet>people suggested to give SSH access to my users, but there is a reason for me not doing so
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07:31<themill>Woet: note that you didn't actually get an answer to your question about screen here but three different options that will accomplish the same goals without trying to do something that can't be done.
07:31<Woet>Yes, but due to past experiences I'm hesitating fully explaining my question
07:31<shell_user>hello can some one give a aircrack-ng irc
07:31<locklace>abc: i don't know the answer, but i'm just trying to figure out what you want to do--you want to move your root filesystem from disk into ram?
07:31<Woet>since people tend to go completely beyond my question
07:32<fxiny>because is vague
07:32<shell_user>can some one give me irc server - aircrack-ng if it exist
07:32<gsimmons>shell_user: #aircrack-ng on
07:32<shell_user>yes thanx
07:33<abc>locklace: Let Debian switch from R.A.M.
07:33<fxiny>as themill said screen is so featureful we tend to use only some commands
07:34<abc>locklace: Reduce H.D.D. usage and maximize R.A.M. usage.
07:34<themill>the kernel will do that for you anyway
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07:35<locklace>abc: i don't think you really want to use a ramdisk that way
07:35<locklace>abc: the kernel already does a very good job of caching data in ram; this almost always works better than a ramdisk
07:36<abc>"Sidux" or "Knoppix" offer the Linuxparameter "toram". This procedure reduces latency in "desktop-environment".
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07:37<fxiny>there was something in about sticking home in ram
07:37<mjt>knoppix is a live cd that works from a CD-rom 'toram' tells it to copy itself from CD to RAM.
07:37<shell_user>hello again i use there nobody
07:37<mjt>but hard disk != CD-rom, it's much faster
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07:37<themill>abc: they reduce the latency because they copy the CD or DVD to RAM. CDs and DVDs are slow compared to a HDD and thus it's worth doing for knoppix.
07:37<fxiny>i use /dev/shm for my /tmp scripts
07:37<abc>mjt: Yes an that should also be possible with a H.D.D. installed Linux.
07:38<shell_user>please answer on question what i need to do good handshake and injection with zydas1211b wireless adapter
07:38<shell_user>my core is kernel
07:38<abc>themill: But, for my eyes, it is faster (minimize latency) compared to "C.D."- _and_ "H.D.D."-Memory.
07:38<mjt>abc: sure it's possibel, but somewhat pointless too.
07:39<abc>mjt: That reduces latency? Perhaps only few seconds per application, but it is measurable.
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07:40<themill>abc: the time you wait for the entire thing to be copied into memory (including the programs you will never use) is also noticeable.
07:41<fxiny>anyway using a /devshm/tmp dir instead of /tmp for scripts is much better
07:41<shell_user>heyy ?
07:41<mjt>btw, 'toram' is something about a ramdisk of some sort. And unless xip is enabled (is it on tmpfs or similar?), that means 2x the amount of memory wasted.
07:41<abc>themill: But only once.
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07:42<themill>abc: right... and debian will only read things off disk once (if possible) too
07:42<fxiny>modern kernel don't like writing in old hd :P
07:42<mjt>abc: when an app is already in memory, it does not need another read to start it.
07:42<locklace>anyone have any idea how to troubleshoot a resume failure for suspend-to-ram?
07:42<mjt>abc: *unless* you're short on memory for other stuff and that app was thrown away
07:42<abc>mjt: It is interesting how the option "toram" was designed.
07:42<themill>dpkg: tell locklace about suspend troubleshooting
07:42<mjt>abc: is it?
07:43<mjt>abc: i've my own live cd and it too has 'copy' and 'nocopy' options (i didn't use knoppix). Nothing really interesting :)
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07:43<abc>mjt: Sure. But every application start copies from slower memory. Why not use (with actual prizes) quicker memory?
07:43<themill>Actually the main point of toram is to allow you to then eject the CD
07:43<mjt>themill: *nod* - that
07:44<mjt>s why i invented mines :)
07:44<themill>abc: which slower memory is that?
07:44<locklace>themill: thanks! i'll have a look, don't think i've tried uswsusp yet
07:44<mjt>once an app is read from disk it will start as fast as possible. unless it's already swapped out due to memory pressure.
07:44<abc>themill: "C.D.-, U.S.B.-, H.D.D., Memory.
07:44<themill>locklace: no worries.
07:45<mjt>you can see it yourself - second and subsequent starts of firefox etc are almost immediate, be it from ram or from disk.
07:45<themill>abc: the kernel already does all this for you. The first time you run a program, it's read into memory. Unless you completely fill your memory, it stays in memory.
07:45<mjt>it's posible to read it beforehand, too
07:45<abc>mjt: Example: Webdocument sighting. It is quicker completely from R.A.M.
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07:46<mjt>what's webdocument sighting?
07:47<locklace>themill: it looks like this mainly addresses video workarounds, but unfortunately this problem seems to be more serious (everything dead on resume, not just blank screen)
07:47<mjt>but it's amusing how this discussion pops up on a regular basis just everywhere... ;)
07:47<abc>themill: Sure but this is only a movement of copy. Why copy before every application beginn, if copying once is possible?
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07:47<themill>abc: huh?
07:47<abc>mjt: Firefox is webdocument Sighter. (from my point of view.)
07:48<themill>abc: "find -xdev -type f -print0 | xargs -0 cat > /dev/null" will achieve the same thing in your startup scripts. It's moronic, but it will work.
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07:48<mjt>and it will not use 2x amount of memory :)
07:49<abc>themill: Can you perhaps explain this your Scripttext?
07:49<mjt>it does reading everything from disk
07:49<mjt>all files
07:49<Gathond>abc: the application is only copied once even if it runs multiple times (at least the actual code portion)
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07:49<Gathond>themill: it will work provided he has more memory than files, but sure
07:50<mjt>and speaking of firefox startup - when your *home* directory is on a ramdisk, sure it will start faster, because on a ramdisk all the syncs() are ignored.
07:50<themill>Gathond: he wants to copy his entire fs to ramfs, so presumably he does...
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07:50<abc>Gathond: Sure it is clear. But it is only the question, that quicker memory (R.A.M.) ist available and could be used instead of slower (H.D.D.).
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07:51<mjt>btw, it
07:51<abc>themill: That it is explained. Copy one partition into R.A.M.
07:51<themill>abc: stop trying to solve problems that don't exist... seriously.
07:52<abc>themill: So you have solved it?
07:52<abc>The only option doing it is "toram" or an own shellscript?
07:52<mjt>btw, it's quite funny with modern stuff, but... i once ran a system off a squashfs image on a hdd instead off a real ext*fs. And that one was very different - applications indeed were starting significantly faster. I wonder if we forgot disk compression too soon...
07:52<themill>it's not a problem... the kernel already stores things for you and won't touch the hard drive unless it needs to.
07:54<abc>themill: So, how to maximize the kernel usage of R.A.M.?
07:54<themill>abc: the kernel will do this for you on its own. There is nothing for you to do.
07:54<mjt>abc: is it your goal? to fill up all your ram?
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07:54<locklace>abc: are you having an actual problem with delay due to excess disk reads?
07:54<themill>!free ram
07:54<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
07:54<abc>mjt: The goal is to get quicker.
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07:55<Gathond>abc: the kernel will already cache whatever data you have used once
07:55<abc>themill: But comparison with Linux from H.D.D. and Linux copied into R.A.M., shows that the second responds quicker.
07:55<themill>abc: the kernel will do this for you on its own. There is nothing for you to do.
07:56<abc>locklace: It only cost time.
07:56<Gathond>so in essence your scheme will add to the startup time by moving all data (even the parts not being used) from disk to ram at boottime instead of copying the parts used when they are required
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07:56<Gathond>+ the first time
07:56<abc>dpkg: Thank for your Information.
07:56<dpkg>no problem, abc
07:57<Gathond>which I suppose can be valid if you don't mind that delay
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07:57<mjt>abc: dpkg is a bot
07:57<abc>Garthond: Yes that is the Plan.
07:57<Gathond>however copying it all will reduce the memory available to cache other files when they are written/read later
07:57<themill>Gathond: although the time saved will always be less than the time spent doing this.
07:58<Gathond>as your ramfs will permanently fill up a portion of memory with stuff you never actually access during normal usage
07:58<abc>mjt: How to see that?
07:59<Nemoder>how much memory do you have and how big is the partition you want to copy?
07:59<mjt>abc: i don't think i understand what you asking.. but dpkg IS really a bot, believe me :)
07:59<abc>Garthond: Sure there need to be enough memory.
07:59<Gathond>abc: but themill is right you will always end up copying/keeping more in memory than is needed
07:59<abc>mjt: Yes. But how to see, that it is an computated statement?
07:59<mjt>(understanding who's bot and who's not is left as an exersise(sp) for the reader ;)
08:00<dpkg>All your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg (<dpkgbot>), apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper, <judd>. Are we not men? If you prick us, do we not bleed? Err... oil anyway.
08:00<Gathond>I assume you don't want to read/write to files in that memory partition and expect them to still be there?
08:00<abc>Nemoder: Lets say: 4 G.I.B. R.A.M. and 3 G.I.B. H.D.D. Linuxpartition.
08:00<abc>mjt: Allright.
08:01<Nemoder>so you would only have 1gb free to work with? I'd rather have the full 4gb and let the kernel cache
08:01*themill sends the OOM-killer after abc
08:01<Nemoder>abc: also remember that everything on a ramdisk still has to be moved into regular ram when executed
08:02<mjt>Nemoder: it's not entirely correct - think xip
08:02<Nemoder>oh hm
08:02<mjt>(xip = execution in place)
08:02<abc>Garthond: Perhaps it could be possible to compare memory before shutdown and copy changed memory to H.D.D.
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08:03<Gathond>abc: which is just duplicating what the kernel caching scheme already does
08:03<Gathond>only it also does it on your actual data even if it does not fit in memory
08:03<abc>Nemoder: But actually only 0,486 G.I.B. of R.A.M. are used.
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08:04<Gathond>abc: with or without the cache?
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08:04<mjt>Nemoder: that's mostly relevant for flash-based embedded stuff where a flash card is mapped into physical memory and some filesystems can skip the copy and perform direct execution. But i'm not sure regular linux ramfs and company implements that too (should in theory but dunno)
08:04<abc>Nemoder: Yes it has to be moved. But it also has to be moved from H.D.D.
08:04<abc>mjt: "X.I.P" noted.
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08:05<mjt>abc: but seriously, just relax and do your work. Believe me, you're not the first who come with this idea. Almost every beginner out there over the years was thinkning similar to you... ;)
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08:06<abc>Garthond: Not by executing time, only by comparing before switching off the computer.
08:06<themill>abc: you have two ways of implementing this: (1) copy *everything* to RAM and wait a few minutes for that to happen before you can do anything (2) copy only the things you need into RAM and not have to wait for this to happen. The benefits of (1) and (2) are identical and (2) is already happening for you thanks to the kernel's caching mechanism.
08:06<Nemoder>abc: an easy way to see how well the kernel caches is to run a program with a lot of memory usage (say a web browser) then close it and start it again
08:07<abc>Garthond: Cannot answer the "Cache" question.
08:07<Gathond>abc: free -m can
08:07<Gathond>how much of your memory is cached
08:07<abc>0,253 G.I.B.
08:07<Gathond>that is the HDD content your kernel has decided (the most recently accessed/read most likely) to keep in memory
08:08<mjt>there are other techinques to reduce startup times exists. Faster disks is one such "technique". Hibernation does something similar to this 'comparing what was in ram on shutdown' thing. Reordering of files for faster reads is another, and remapping shared libraries (prelink).
08:08<Gathond>this usually (until memory is full) is every file read
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08:08<mjt>and one always can pre-read stuff at startup, by reading every file on the system in turn as themill showed.
08:08<Gathond>so in essence what you propose is to replace this scheme with just loading everything
08:08<abc>mjt: But believe me, its quicker.
08:08<themill>judd info preload
08:08<judd>themill: preload (misc): is optional; Version: 0.4-5; Size: 34.1k; Installed: 180k -- adaptive readahead daemon
08:09<mjt>abc: i don't care.
08:09<themill>abc: I bet it's not.
08:09<Gathond>abc: I bet it depends on exactly how you measure it
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08:09<Gathond>I'm also willing to bet it is a net loss at most desktop workloads
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08:10<abc>themill: If you only switch on computer once to for Example 12 hours, the once load time should get minimized.
08:10<abc>Nemoder: Sure. Second switch on off programm is quicker.
08:10<themill>abc: repeat after me: "the kernel already does this for you"
08:11<abc>Garthond: Thank for the explanation.
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08:12<Gathond>abc: what happens is: you start a program, the kernel checks if it is already in ram, if not it copies it there from disk (happens first time) if it is it just runs it
08:12<abc>mjt: Hibernation could, perhaps, compared with the "toram" copy time.
08:12<Gathond>this is why programs start fast the second time around
08:12<Gathond>the exception being if you have read enought data to push the program out of the cache since the last time you used it
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08:13<Gathond>in which case your scheme would just have made all that IO slower because it could not be cached
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08:14<abc>mjt: To preread files, (and as Garthond explained) let the Kernel copy them to R.A.M. is perhaps a possible solution. Thanks for Your hint.
08:14<mjt>judd: btw, the version of preload in debian is ancient..
08:14<judd>mjt: Error: "btw," is not a valid command.
08:14<mjt>another bot ;)
08:14<ml>any moc users in here?
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08:15<Gathond>abc: the preload daemon is probably a better bet, the idea there is to only preload the files which tend to be used by programs
08:15<abc>themill, Garthond: To answer the measurment question. It first have to be measured by machine.
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08:17<abc>themill: The Linuxkern only use the memory it gets and could also, if quick-memory is filled, save to slow-memory (H.D.D.).
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08:19<abc>Gathond: Yes. But that is a question of R.A.M. size. And todays prizes are not that high, or?
08:19<Gathond>abc: which again, is what thhe kernels caching scheme already does
08:19<Gathond>adding another layer on top of this doing the same is just overhead/micromanagement
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08:21<abc>Gathond: That is exactly what is wanted. To get a "profile" of used ("often used") Programms or Files. And to store that files (if they are system files) into R.A.M.
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08:22<Gathond>abc: but why bother, the kernel does it anyway as you access them
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08:23<abc>Gathond: Yes but reducing the first load time, could also save time.
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08:23<Gathond>abc: not really, it won't reduce it, it will just move it to delaying the boot process instead
08:24<Gathond>so instead of spending the time incrementally as you need the files you just spend it all at boot time copying stuff
08:24<abc>Gathond: Yes but booting is once. Perhaps the "Preload" idea is acceptable.
08:24<Gathond>IF you don't mind this (if you are not waiting for the machine to get ready etc) then this may be a valid timesaver
08:25<Gathond>abc: accessing the file for the first time is also once
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08:25<abc>Gathond: Yes you just could power it on 5 minutes earlier.
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08:25<Gathond>the second access will tend to already have it in memory
08:25<Gathond>unless you accessed a lot of other stuff in the mean time, in which case keeping this in memory just makes that operation slower
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08:27<pabs>does anyone know how to get something like this in epiphany instead of galeon?
08:27<abc>So to "manually select" all files or Directorys that are "often-used" is also an fitting idea. To research further in this direction, the "preload" Programm is the right?
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08:29<abc>Gathond: Thank you for your Explantions and Examples.
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08:30<abc>To the other: Thank you also for your time, written explanations and written Examples.
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08:31<abc>I wish you a nice day. With friendly Greetings. M.f.G.
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08:44<valdyn>somehow there should be a kernel tunable to prefer caching apps over data, but thats not possible i think
08:44<valdyn>so theres then preload
08:45<mjt>apps usually mmap'ed but data is read. not always, but usually.
08:46<valdyn>either way a typical desktop does not really need data to be cached
08:46<mjt>oh dear
08:47<mjt>think of your firefox/thunderbird data
08:47<valdyn>mjt: yes?
08:47<mjt>it must be cached ;)
08:47<Gathond>those data is in memory only anyway right?
08:47<valdyn>mjt: firefox has its own caching mechanism, thats not the kernel
08:47<valdyn>mjt: thats an app
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08:48<valdyn>and the kernel cant cache that anyway, since it cannot check if its valid data anyway
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08:49<mjt>heh. in order to check validity it has to be read ;)
08:49<valdyn>mjt: umm?
08:50<valdyn>mjt: i think we may be talking about different things
08:50<mjt>ok, i'm shutting up ;)
08:50<valdyn>mjt: look, if you copy a huge set of data, like a bunch of mp3 files or a movie or whatever is typical for a desktop
08:51<valdyn>mjt: then the kernel will cache that for about zero benefit
08:51<mjt>yes, and this is even an opposite problem - how to tell kernel to NOT cache some stuff it already has in cache.
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08:51<mjt>ie, when i copy a bunch of mp3 files from one dir to another it will stay in cache, throwing everything else off it.
08:52<bulle>Hello world
08:52<valdyn>mjt: right
08:52<mjt>i used to use O_DIRECT in such cases but that's troublesome. there's posix_madvise() here too. but neither is used by tools like cp(1).
08:53<bulle>i have got a probleme with motion on my debian lenny (sorry for my bad english but i am french)
08:53<bulle>/var/log/message give :
08:54<bulle>kernel: [115415.931838] motion[15521]: segfault at b4fd1008 ip b760718f sp b60fba90 error 4 in[b7593000+13c000]
08:55<mjt>so why are you using unstable?
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08:56<mjt>that's not stable/working stuff, expect problems like that...
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08:56<bulle>i using lenny because is my desktop but i want test motion on it before install motion on my server
08:57<mjt>but it's not lenny
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08:57<mjt>you're using something "more recent" than lenny
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09:05<bulle>no i use lenny but i use unstable depot
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09:07<mjt>the main component of userspace - libc - is not from lenny.
09:08<mjt>it's from unstable, and it *is* unstable as you can see :)
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09:09<mjt>lenny has libc-2.7. yours has libc-2.9. It's a major change.
09:10<mjt>sure thing it *should* work still, in theory
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09:12<bulle>apt-cache show libc6 :: Version: 2.9-4
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09:13<mjt>bulle: it's in your log line
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09:38<Tim>i have a problem with sftp
09:38<Tim>anybody want to help?
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09:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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09:44<Tim>alright: I can't sftp into my computer. It is a default Squeeze installation. Creating an sftp connection from the machine works fine. "sftp -p /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" works fine. Debug output of sftp is at , debug output of sshd is at .
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09:45<Tim>It looks to me like sftp-server is killed instantly
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09:54<nadie>hi! i'm having trouble with an actualization (sid, amd64). when I run "aptitude safe-upgrade" reteins packages " gnome gnome-core{a} gnome-desktop-environment gnome-office{a} vim-gui-common vim-runtime" and when I run full-upgrade, it says packages " gedit-plugins vim-gnome" are broken. anyone having the same problem? thanks
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09:57<nadie>hi! i'm having trouble with an actualization (sid, amd64). when I run "aptitude safe-upgrade" reteins packages " gnome gnome-core{a} gnome-desktop-environment gnome-office{a} vim-gui-common vim-runtime" and when I run full-upgrade, it says packages " gedit-plugins vim-gnome" are broken. anyone having the same problem? thanks
09:58<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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10:06<valdyn>nadie: sure, plenty of people do, except that most of them probably know that this is just business as usual when you use sid
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10:07<nadie>so it's not my fault right? it will be fixed so?
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10:12<Gathond>nadie: perhaps :)
10:13<Gathond>nadie: most likely it is because something is only partially uploaded
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10:13<Gathond>wait a few days, and try again, or fix the dependency by specifying some solution that downgrades/upgrades stuff if you really need to
10:14<nadie>but i'm using sid amd64 on other machines and they haven't reteind all the gnome related packages
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10:17<spacepluk>nadie: maybe you have diferent sources
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10:18<nadie>no. the same sources.list on all:
10:18<nadie>take a look to see if there is any mistake
10:19<Gathond>maybe you have different stuff installed so only the one felt a need for that package
10:19<nadie># Repositorios oficiales para la versión inestable
10:19<nadie># ------------------------------------------------
10:19<nadie>deb unstable main contrib non-free
10:19<nadie>deb-src unstable main contrib non-free
10:19<nadie># Repositorio experimental
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10:20<themill>judd versions vim-gnome --arch i386
10:20<judd>themill: vim-gnome -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch3 etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 squeeze: 2:7.2.130-1 sid: 2:7.2.148-1
10:20<themill>judd versions vim-gnome --arch amd64
10:20<judd>themill: vim-gnome -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch3 etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 sid: 2:7.2.130-1 squeeze: 2:7.2.130-1
10:20<themill>i386 and amd64 have different versions
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10:27<goodell>'morning. I have a strange problem with X in which I need to type every character twice for it to be accepted. Not sure exactly when it started since I had not rebooted for about five months.
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10:27<goodell>I tried upgrading the kernel, reinstalling xorg and the proprietary nvidia graphics driver,
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10:28<goodell>all of which are now running, but that did not solve the problem either.
10:28<goodell>I also tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, which also did not work
10:29<goodell>and I uninstalled and purged xserver-xorg-input-kbd before reinstalling it.
10:29<patrikf>goodell: your keyboard works properly on e.g. tty1?
10:29<goodell>What package could be causing the trouble?
10:29<goodell>patrikf: yes, it works fine on tty1
10:29<patrikf>goodell: what release are you on?
10:29<goodell>also, other keyboards exhibit the same problem (tried swapping them out)
10:29<nadie> /msg dpkg paste
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10:30<goodell>patrikf: I have some squeeze packages
10:30<patrikf>nadie: no space before /
10:30<goodell>i.e. squeeze, with some lenny.
10:30<djc>goodell, if the kb works on on tty, it probably isnt the kb
10:30<goodell>djc: makes sense. Tried just in case.
10:31<cahoot>goodell: lenny?
10:31<goodell>xserver-xorg-input-kbd is version 1.3.1-1
10:31<goodell>cahoot: lenny, i.e. stable. But I have some squeeze, i.e. testing.
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10:31<goodell>Actually, I think that I only added the squeeze after noticing this problem. But my memory is bad.
10:32<adb>judd: versions xserver-xorg-input-kbd
10:32<judd>adb: xserver-xorg-input-kbd -- etch: 1:1.1.0-4 lenny: 1:1.3.1-1 squeeze: 1:1.3.1-1 sid: 1:1.3.2-3
10:32<goodell>I have been avoiding jumping to sid, but I will do that if that is the solution.
10:32<josejavier>hi all
10:32<cahoot>goodell: my sid system had this behaviour a few months agot - I believe 1:1.3.2-3 fixed it
10:33<goodell>cahoot: wacky. What do you believe to be the root cause?
10:33<cahoot>goodell: wel beyond my grasp
10:34<ghantoos>goodell: does this help?
10:35<goodell>ghantoos: interesting. I have been scouring the web for threads like this but do not have a good sense of what search terms to use.
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10:36<goodell>OK, I will look for 1.3.2-3 in sid
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10:36<goodell>and keep the rest of my system at squeeze in the meantime.
10:37<ghantoos>judd: versions xkb-data
10:37<judd>ghantoos: xkb-data -- etch: 0.9-4 lenny: 1.3-2 sid: 1.4-1 sid: 1.5-2 squeeze: 1.5-2
10:37<ghantoos>goodell: you should downgrade to the lenny version
10:38<goodell>ghantoos: huh, OK, I will try that first.
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10:45<spacepluk>yo tengo el último de squeeze y es un 2.6.26
10:45<spacepluk>I'm sorry, bad channel
10:47<Masterkong>anyone got any experince upmixing 2.0 to 5.1 in amarok?
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10:49<goodell>ghantoos: actually, my xkb-data is 1.5-2, and not only do I not have sid,
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10:49<Immolo>Hi, I'm having an issue with my usb keyboard when I press the shift button with the ? button it does a looping alt+tab effect but on my ps/2 keyboard it works fine I've tried changing the battery and resyncing it but the same issue is still there
10:49<goodell>but apt-get install -t lenny xkb-data also complains that xkb-data is at the newest version.
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10:50<goodell>(oh, lenny edged its way out of my sources.list, trying again.)
10:50<ghantoos>goodell: :)
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10:52<goodell>ghantoos: hmm, still the same error
10:52<goodell>I wonder what the issue is with the xkb-data versions
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10:52<Guest1150>how ru ß
10:53<Immolo>goodell try removing xkb-data and installing xkb-data-legacy
10:53<Guest1150>some1 here?
10:54<goodell>Downgrading to 1.3-2 using apt-get install xkb-data=1.3-2 DOES solve the problem.
10:54<Masterkong>i'm here...
10:54<ghantoos>goodell: great!
10:54<Guest1150>ru usin linux?
10:55<Masterkong>but i'm not really sure how that would help you.. if youre interested in more than idle chitchat
10:55<Masterkong>i kinda noobish
10:55<Guest1150>im usin knoppix 5.1
10:55<Masterkong>good for you
10:55<Masterkong>i'm on sidux
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10:55<Masterkong>like it alot
10:56<cahoot>so both in wrong channel
10:56<goodell>and apt-get install xkb-data-legacy also solves the problem, preferably in a way that will not disappear at my next apt-get upgrade ;)
10:56<Masterkong>hehe.. sidux is basically debian sid
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10:56<cahoot>still ...
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10:56<Masterkong>still packages and shit
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10:57<cahoot>the shit part definitely isn't debian derived
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10:57<Masterkong>perhaps not
10:57<Masterkong>but its nice
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10:58<Masterkong>but my problems are still dist-independent
10:58<Masterkong>since its about alsa i think
10:58<Masterkong>whats knoppix?
10:58<Guest1150>its linux
10:59<goodell>ghantoos, cahoot, Immolo, patrikf, djc: thanks!
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11:00<Immolo>anyway still on keyboard issues mine is simlar to goodell but effects tty and X any idea where the cause could be
11:00<Guest1150>my knoppix is running on CD cant install it...
11:00<Masterkong>ok.. strange
11:00<Guest1150>i dunno...
11:00<cahoot>Masterkong: you have a 2-channel file and want 'upmix' it to 6?
11:00<Masterkong>and why are you trying to install knoppix 5.1.. thats old
11:01<Masterkong>yup cahoot! exackt
11:01<Guest1150>I only have knoopic 5.1
11:01<Masterkong>and filter the subwoofer
11:01<cahoot>Masterkong: try your luck in #lad on freenode
11:01<Masterkong>nothing else on the computer.
11:01<Masterkong>thanx cahoot
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11:03<Masterkong>can i connect to 2 ircservers in Konversation?
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11:05<Masterkong>it would appear that way :)
11:05<Masterkong>guest1150 still here?
11:06<cahoot>Masterkong: googled for your convenience:
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11:06<themill>Masterkong: File->Sever list or File->Quick connect
11:07<Masterkong>got it..
11:08<Masterkong>thanx alot cahoot! i hadn't found thatone
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11:17<AzaTht>anyone knows if I can regain 3D support for my older radeon X850 now that the fglrx has dropped support for it?
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11:20<valdyn>AzaTht: radeonhd driver
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11:21<gsimmons>valdyn: Uh, the X850 is R480. radeonhd is for R500 and later.
11:21<gsimmons>AzaTht: Try using the radeon driver.
11:21<gsimmons>!tell AzaTht -about radeon
11:21<AzaTht>valdyn: I though it didn't work for r420
11:22<AzaTht>andyea, 3D without mesa
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11:24<valdyn>AzaTht: plain radeon driver probably
11:24<valdyn>AzaTht: im reading the wiki, your chip should be supported by one of both
11:25<AzaTht>I'm using the plain radeon driver now, though it is sad to know I don't have any 3d any more :(
11:26<valdyn>AzaTht: it does have 3D support
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11:27<wool>como colocar widegats no ubuntu??
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11:29<davius>hi! whenever i open my root terminal, an error pops up saying...
11:29<valdyn>AzaTht: if you didnt install fglrx the debian way, then you got stale files laying around fucking up your 3d acceleration
11:29<davius>"An error occured while loading or saving configuration information for gnome-terminal. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly"
11:30<davius>what might be wrong?
11:30<spacepluk>hi, anybodys know where is the lame package for debian?
11:30<themill>dpkg: tell spacepluk about dmm
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11:30<dpkg>hello, davius
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11:34<wool>como colocar widegats no ubuntu??
11:35<themill>wool: #ubuntu-br
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11:39<spacepluk>why is a need for a different repository like debian-multimedia? why not just put that stuff in nonfree?
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11:41<j>I love nonfee repo
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11:41<fxiny>!why dmm
11:42<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
11:42<themill>spacepluk: stuff in debian's non-free still needs to be legally distributable by debian.
11:42<valdyn>spacepluk: because its risking lawsuits in the US
11:42<AzaTht>valdyn: I did (I think) ツ
11:42<valdyn>spacepluk: dmm is not just non-free, its dangerous to distribute in the usa
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11:43<valdyn>spacepluk: or, its not non-free, but just dangerous to distribute in the usa
11:43<spacepluk>that makes sense. I just didn't get it :)
11:43<valdyn>spacepluk: christian marillat in theory cant have any assets in the u.s., but debian does.
11:44<spacepluk>damn software patents
11:44<spacepluk>I wonder how Ubuntu handles this.
11:45<valdyn>spacepluk: they dont have to be as strict about it
11:45<mjt>!dmm lenny
11:45<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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11:46<valdyn>spacepluk: meaning marc shuttleworth can do whatever he wants risking his money, debian cant act like that
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11:46<oigres>Is it still advisable to install anacron for laptops? I used it many years ago and it worked very well.
11:46<spacepluk>valdyn: I was about to say that same thing :P
11:46<cwood>dosbox question: dosbox' understanding of which keys I'm pressing seems to have changed sometime in the past two weeks. What would have affected this? Dosbox hasn't had a package change in some time.
11:46<valdyn>spacepluk: and finally debian is supposed to be safely distributed by anyone. Ubuntu probably doesnt care.
11:51<spacepluk>ok, ya está todo claro. Es por el tema de las patentes de software en EEUU.
11:51<spacepluk>dammit, wrong channel again, I'm sorry...
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11:54<bremner>spacepluk: feel free to sort out wool next time he shows up :-)
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11:57<balazsbela_>Why do I get hash sum mismatch in apt ?
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11:57<abrotman>for a package? maybe a bad mirror sync
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11:58<balazsbela_>when updating
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12:01<abrotman>balazsbela: give us the actual error
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12:02<spacepluk>so wool is the spanish/portuguese guy? For a moment, I thought that "sort out wool" had something to do with money :D
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12:04<aly>hi how can i import my all win fonts in debian im using lenny
12:04<balazsbela>The Actual Error (tm)
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12:04<beer>how come that planet penguin racer has been removed from testinng/sid?
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12:05<valdyn>beer: it hasnt been removed from sid
12:06<gsimmons>beer: See bug #517391.
12:06<gsimmons>valdyn: Yes, it has.
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12:06<valdyn>i see extretuxracer in sid
12:06<valdyn>i see extremetuxracer in sid
12:07<valdyn>and: planetpenguin-racer - Dummy transition package for extremetuxracer in experimental
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12:08<beer>that explainf it
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12:11<balazsbela>abrotman: ?
12:11<abrotman>balazsbela: first, it's not polite to post on two networks, second, wyzard gave you the answer on the other one
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12:12<balazsbela>sorry, the tab should have blinked
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12:20<adb>judd: versions gpm
12:20<judd>adb: gpm -- etch: 1.19.6-25 lenny: 1.20.4-3.1 sid: 1.20.4-3.1 squeeze: 1.20.4-3.1
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12:29<andre_>ich habe mal ne Frage ....
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12:31<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:35<andre_>i hav a question...
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12:39<Xenguy>Hi - I know how to check the md5sum of a file, but I am trying to find out where to look for the *canonical* md5sum for a given file in the Debian distribution. Is there a list somewhere, or is there a method of generating the md5sum that I should be comparing to?
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12:42<abrotman>Xenguy: there's a list in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.md5sums
12:43<Xenguy>abrotman: thank you sir!
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12:43<abrotman>Xenguy: if i understood your question
12:44<Xenguy>abrotman: I just want to verify the md5sum of a single file against whatever the canonical md5sum should be; so I need to find/generate the latter.
12:44<dax>Hi guys having a problem with making conky, configure works but I get " Nothing to be done for `all-am'." I have googling for the past hour
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12:44*abrotman thinks he gave the right answer ...
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12:46*Xenguy confirms abrotman 's answer is correct -- thanks again :-)
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12:47<ga_bash>dax what package is conky?
12:48<dax>the latest 1.6.1
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12:50<dax>ga_bash did you mean what version or what conky is?
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12:53<ga_bash>dax no i meant what does conky do?
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13:21<GnomeAfterAll_>hey, someone can help me with my problem with cron? anyways, i get the output "cron: can't lock /var/run/, otherpid may be 2770: Resource temporarily unavailable"
13:21<GnomeAfterAll_>can someone*
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13:25<rimini>I just installed a wifi pci card. wicd can see my gateway and can connect to it (the state is connected), but I can't ping the gateway.
13:25<rimini>Any idea why / How I can determine why ?
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13:25<cahoot>dhclient wlan0?
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13:27<rimini>I set a static ip adress in the same subnetwork.
13:27<rimini>I still try dhclient
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13:35<rimini>s/I still try/I still can try/
13:36<rimini>Ok I tried and it didn't work.
13:36<rimini>The message is : "receive_packet failed on wlan0 : Network is down"
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13:38<rimini>Hm and when I do the dhclient, it disconnect me, wicd redo the connexion steps
13:39<o-o_>rimini: Are you sure that you have the right password?
13:39<o-o_>Access point is your own local wifi gateway?
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13:43<rimini>o-o_: yes, I'm sure about the password. And when I make wicd connect, it says that it's connected (after doing the "validating authentification" step, I guess it would have failed with a wrong password)
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13:44<bremner>rimini: can you pastebin the output of "/sbin/iwconfig wlan0"
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13:45<o-o_>what is the auth scheme?
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13:46<cahoot>rimini: not ircing via ethernet on the system in question?
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13:47<rimini>If scheme = encryption, then it's WEP in both sides.
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13:47<rimini>cahoot: nope, i did and was disconnected, now I'm ircing via my laptop.
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14:03<rimini>I definitly don't get it. I tried to put a static ip, and dhcp ip (wich fails to resolve anyway), I tried via ifconfig or via interfaces (+ networking stop/start), via wicd, and i still cant ping my gateway.
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14:05<iotaka>hi to all, I'm upgraded my mysql on SID and I receive this error I did also a apt-get remove --purge
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14:06<iotaka>but not resolve it
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14:17<jlouis>iotaka: attack the problem. What does the initscript say?
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14:19<iotaka>jlouis: I reinstall it (I just do a --purge)
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14:21<iotaka>jlouis: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
14:21<iotaka>the logs of mysql are empty
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14:24<abrotman>iotaka: might be useful to put a 'set -x' at the top of the init script
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14:25<l3x>i am having an issue playing youtube vids
14:26<l3x>i downloaded the flash addon for iceweasel but the video clips alot, are there any packages that i need to download
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14:28<Pitxyoki>Is it just me or the debian user forums are messed up?
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14:28<iotaka>abrotman: I found the problem was in /etc/mysql/my.cnf (static ip binding, and dhclp on my netowrk use a different mask, a better error code could help in this situation) thank you, and thankyou to jlouis
14:28<beer>has it been decided what version of kde squeeze will have?
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14:30<Myth0logy>'soir à tous :)
14:31<Pitxyoki>Bonne soir, Myth0logy.
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14:43<l3x>can any help me?
14:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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14:44<cwood>l3x: I haven't had the same problem with youtube videos. Maybe run top and stuff, see how your machine is doing?
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14:46<l3x>cwood, what do you mean run top and stuff?
14:46<simonrvn>Pitxyoki: "Bon soir", "Bonne soirée"
14:46<cahoot>l3x: other video runs fine?
14:46<cwood>l3x: see "man top".
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14:47<Pitxyoki>What's the difference between soir and soirée?
14:47<ckent>hello, can someone help me out? im trying to install pdo with php5
14:47<l3x>cwood, type man top in the konsole?
14:47<cwood>l3x: Yes. It will help to learn about man pages first.
14:48<l3x>o i see
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14:50<l3x>cwood, ok i see what you saying, now videos play fine on vlc though
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14:51<cwood>Something about youtube videos is they have to buffer while playing. If you pause the video so it keeps downloading, does it play normally when all the data has downloaded?
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14:53<l3x>cwood, i dunno, let me try that
14:53<cahoot>l3x: if you run a youtube video in your browser - does the cpu usage maximize?
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14:55<l3x>cahoot, its at 68%
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14:56<l3x>cahoot, the process is xulrunner
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15:02<AzaTht>valdyn: it seems that I had 3d acc with radeon drivers anyway, though I have the sdl problem :(
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15:04<mansoor>Hi guys
15:04<mansoor>i need help about installing Wine Internet Explorer, any body can help me? plz
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15:05<simonrvn>install wine
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15:05<ghantoos>mansoor: take a look at this
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15:06<mansoor>i installed wine & IE also but here is an error!!! HTML Rendering is currently disabled
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15:06<l3x>cwood, any advice?
15:06<mansoor>how can i solve this error?
15:06<ghantoos>mansoor: this actually:
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15:07<cwood>l3x: my only remaining advice is to ask Adobe -- they made Flash.
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15:08<danger>Hi all
15:08<l3x>cwood, lol could it be iceweasel?
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15:08<cwood>l3x: you could install a stock Firefox and see if you have the same problem.
15:09<mansoor>no dude, but i need IE to opening some website & blogs that are fuckly designed for IE only :-(
15:09<danger>Do you think ZFS makes OpenSolaris worth looking at?
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15:09<l3x>cwood, what do you use?
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15:09<cwood>l3x: iceweasel.
15:10<ghantoos>mansoor: install wine (sudo apt-get install wine) then check out the link a gave you
15:10<l3x>cwood, every time i go to youtube the site get slow
15:10<cwood>I don't know. I don't have the same problem you're having.
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15:11<mansoor>imtrying to download & install IE against with IEs4Linux Guide, i hope it works this time :-)
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15:12<l3x>cwood, is there any information i can give you to help you?
15:12<mansoor>oops:-s You need to install cabextract first!
15:12<mansoor>Download it here:
15:12<spacepluk>l3x: I had slow youtube with swfdec, installing flashplugin-nonfree "fixed it"
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15:12<mansoor>but the site has been closed :-(
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15:12<ghantoos>mansoor: sudo apt-get intsall cabextract
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15:13<cwood>l3x: I can't solve your own Flash problems, only you can do that. Isolate the different components, and see what gives. Is the site still slow if you don't use flash? If you use another browser (konqueror), is it still slow? Etc.
15:13<mansoor>thanks ghantoos its downloaded :-D
15:14<ghantoos>mansoor: no prob ;)
15:15<l3x>cwood, ok, i will look into troubleshooting the problem
15:15<l3x>spacepluk, is flashplugin an add on for iceweasel
15:15<mansoor>1 question else, i installed IE via wine b4 but i could n't open Unicode websites! any idea to solve this pro?
15:16<spacepluk>l3x: that's weird :P
15:16<mansoor>An error ocurred when downloading. Please run IEs4Linux again. Corrupted file: DCOM98.EXE
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15:17<l3x>spacepluk, ?
15:18<mansoor>note: i'm using PARSIX distribution witch based on Debian!
15:18<Pitxyoki>l3x, your problem is when youtube videos are playing or does it happen when you pause them and they are just downloading?
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15:18<patrikf>!based on debian
15:18<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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15:19<mansoor>Gtk:ERROR:/svn/pkg-parsix/pkg/boss/main/gtk+2.0/build-area/gtk+2.0-2.14.7/gtk/gtktextview.c:3425:gtk_text_view_validate_onscreen: assertion failed: (text_view->onscreen_validated)
15:19<mansoor>ui/pygtk/ line 6: 6182 Aborted python "$IES4LINUX"/ui/pygtk/
15:19<l3x>Pitxyoki, when i start a video it loads up all the way, however it stops and sometimes i get sound and sometimes i don't
15:19<patrikf>mansoor: read what dpkg just said
15:20<l3x>Pitxyoki, i guess Buckethead is playing too fast for my computer
15:20<Pitxyoki>How many processors does your computer have?
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15:21<l3x>Pitxyoki, just one its a p4 laptop
15:21<spacepluk>l3x: I running iceweasel/flashplugin-nonfree on an Intel Atom (weak) processor and it works fine
15:21<mansoor>i know but my distribution dosn't have any IRC channel :-(
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15:22<l3x>spacepluk, where can i get this flashplugin?
15:22<Pitxyoki>I also have high CPU usage when playing youtube videos..
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15:22<spacepluk>l3x: sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
15:22<patrikf>mansoor: then maybe try a ies4linux channel if there is one, a wine channel, or a linux channel
15:22<patrikf>mansoor: it's much more appropriate there than here
15:22<spacepluk>l3x: you need to activate the nonfree repositories
15:22<Desert_Storm>Hello, I have a Atheros 5007EG wireless card, on a HP laptop running Debian 5.0.1 AMD64 edition
15:22<patrikf>generic linux channel, that is
15:22<Pitxyoki>And I'm using flashplugin.
15:23<Desert_Storm>I just cant seem to get my wireless working
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15:23<mansoor>thanks guys, i'll try another channel :-)
15:23<spacepluk>mansoor: or install debian :D
15:23<danger>Desert have you tried ndiswrapper
15:23<mansoor>have fun
15:23<l3x>spacepluk, how do i do that?
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15:23<patrikf>!tell Desert_Storm about madwifi
15:23<Desert_Storm>Im trying to get along without Ndiswrapper
15:24<Desert_Storm>patrikf, I've tried
15:24<Desert_Storm>Hold on, il get my error
15:24<mansoor>my net speed is 64KBPS u have to know its too hard to download another distri :-(
15:24<Desert_Storm>dial up?
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15:25<mansoor>WiFi but low speed :-( at this time im using 128KBps! but often its about 64KBPS!!
15:25<spacepluk>l3x: if you use Gnome click on System/Administration/Software Sources
15:25<Desert_Storm>And I thought I was having a pain with 12 mbit connection
15:26<l3x>spacepluk, i am using kde
15:26<mansoor>in most of countries, the company's have minimum speed limit but im in IRAN! here we are maximum 128KBps allowed connection!!
15:26<mansoor>any way
15:26<spacepluk>l3x: I don't know KDE, but you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list
15:26<Desert_Storm>Problem is
15:26<Desert_Storm>I cannot "make"
15:26<l3x>o ok
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15:26<mansoor>thanks 4 every thing i'll try my best to solve or shift to Debian :-(
15:27<Desert_Storm>it says "/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop."
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15:27<mansoor>installed ubuntu but it had many problems :-(
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15:27<patrikf>Desert_Storm: you should use module-assistant. ask dpkg about it
15:27<Desert_Storm>!ask module-assistant
15:27<Desert_Storm>damn, wut was the command
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15:27<patrikf>Desert_Storm: /msg dpkg module-assistant
15:27<mansoor>good luck guys
15:27<dpkg>hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them, or "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare".
15:27<Desert_Storm>patrikf, thanks alot
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15:28<l3x>spacepluk, so what do i put in my source list
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15:28<danger>your testicles
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15:28<danger>sry jk
15:29<abrotman>!tell l3x about dmm
15:29<spacepluk>l3x: where you see "main" put "main contrib nonfree"
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15:30<abrotman>l3x: which version of debian are you using?
15:30<l3x>abrotman, kernel ver?
15:30<abrotman>no, debian version
15:30<danger>etch lenny etc
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15:32<Desert_Storm>still the same error
15:32<Desert_Storm>I just did "make" under root
15:32<Desert_Storm>I installed module-assistant
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15:32<abrotman>Desert_Storm: what are you trying to compile?
15:32<l3x>abrotman, 2.6.26-2-686
15:32<abrotman>l3x: DEBIAN version .. i dont' care about your kernel
15:32<Desert_Storm>abrotman, some wifi drivers
15:32<abrotman>Desert_Storm: be less vague
15:33<Desert_Storm>it says "/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop."
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15:33<Desert_Storm>Well, it trys to compile, then it stops
15:33<abrotman>compile what?
15:34<Desert_Storm>compat-wireless-2009-04-19, just some wifi drivers
15:34<Desert_Storm>for Atheros 5007
15:34<abrotman>ath5k is already in lenny
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15:34<l3x>abrotman, 501
15:35<Desert_Storm>Didnt find any wifi spots
15:35<abrotman>l3x: use the `dmm` stuff that the bot told you about ... the adobe flash is not in the lenny repos
15:35<abrotman>Desert_Storm: install linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64
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15:35<Desert_Storm>abrotman, thanks, il try that
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15:36<l3x>abrotman, so read up on the site that it gave me?
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15:36<Desert_Storm>abrotman, I remember, when I used Ubuntu long time, it was a "eye candy" addon, called ruby
15:36<abrotman>l3x: should be instructions there
15:36<Desert_Storm>It changed name afterwards, wut was it?
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15:37<l3x>abrotman, cool i will try it out
15:37<abrotman>Desert_Storm: what does that have to do with your wireless?
15:37<erKURITA>compiz-fusion, I believe
15:37<Desert_Storm>Ah yeah
15:37<Desert_Storm>abrotman, nah, sorry
15:37<erKURITA>rather, it merged with compiz
15:37<Desert_Storm>brb, need cable internet
15:38<spacepluk>abrotman: there's no need for dmm, flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib AFAIK
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15:38<abrotman>spacepluk: you're wrong
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15:38<abrotman>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
15:38<judd>abrotman: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.5 sid/contrib: 1:2.6
15:39<abrotman>not in the main repos
15:39<abrotman>you either need dmm or bpo
15:39<Desert_Storm>still the same error =/
15:40<Desert_Storm>The build directory not found, etc
15:40<Desert_Storm>Should I uninstall some package or...?
15:40<abrotman>spacepluk: he's not using squeeze
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15:41<spacepluk>abrotman: you're right, I missed that one :P
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15:44<Desert_Storm>Still the same, not found build directory
15:44<Desert_Storm>Installed that package, rebooted
15:44<abrotman>Desert_Storm: and you installed the linux-headers package?
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15:47<abrotman>Desert_Storm: does that file exist?
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15:48<Desert_Storm`>im on debian comp now, can post
15:48<abrotman>it's a yes/no question
15:49<Desert_Storm`>abrotman: could you repeat it?
15:49<abrotman>it's like six lines above
15:49<spacepluk>Desert_Storm`: look at the other screen :D
15:49<Desert_Storm>abrotman, ye
15:50<Desert_Storm>spacepluk, 2 comps lool, desktop upstairs
15:50<abrotman>make clean?
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15:52<Desert_Storm`>abrotman: tryed, doesnt work =/
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15:52<abrotman>that file exists though ..
15:52<Desert_Storm`>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
15:52<Desert_Storm`>make: *** [modules] Error 2
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15:53<Desert_Storm`>./bin/sh: line 0: test: -ge: unary operator expected
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15:53<Desert_Storm`>and does nothing
15:54<Desert_Storm`>abrotman: maybe I need to remove some package?
15:54<amin>hi im need to help
15:55<amin>im cant speak english
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15:55<dpkg>[tr] türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
15:55<abrotman>Desert_Storm`: sounds like there are other problems
15:55<ghantoos>abrotman: I think it is arabic he is looking for
15:55<abrotman>Desert_Storm`: what is wrong with the ath5k in debian already?
15:55<abrotman>ghantoos: i guessed on his IP ..
15:56<Desert_Storm`>abrotman: how do i activate it?
15:56<abrotman>it's already there
15:56<abrotman>it should just load
15:56<abrotman>!tell Desert_Storm` about ath5k
15:56<Desert_Storm`>I cant find any wireless points
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15:56<ghantoos>abrotman: I see :)
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15:58<Desert_Storm`>abrotman: havent blacklisted them, yet doesnt work
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15:59<mjt>Desert_Storm`: do you have it loaded actually? How about looking at /proc/modules - is ath5k there already? What does `pcimodules | grep ath' say?
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16:01<Desert_Storm`>mjt: says ath5k
16:01<Desert_Storm`>mjt: brb, ilrestart
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16:01<mjt>so... 3 questions, only one answer. oh well.
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16:02<Desert_Storm>mjt, oh, sorry
16:02<Desert_Storm>mjt, yeah, i think its loaded
16:03<Desert_Storm>brb in linux
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16:04<mjt>so the next step is to see if you have the network interface. `ifconfig -a' will tell all.
16:04<mjt>but.. i'm going to bed now - it's 00:04 here and i tired today.
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16:04<Desert_Storm`>Damn, still no access points
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16:05<abrotman><mjt> so the next step is to see if you have the network interface. `ifconfig -a' will tell all.
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16:07<Desert_Storm`>im on cable atm
16:07<Desert_Storm`>wlan0 seems to be working though
16:07<abrotman>what command are you using to scan for APs?
16:07<Desert_Storm`>Im using the network manager
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16:08<abrotman>i've never used that .. try using iwlist wlan0 scanning
16:08<Desert_Storm`>wlan0 No scan results
16:08<Desert_Storm`>im right near the router
16:08<Desert_Storm`>well, a bit far away
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16:11<Desert_Storm`>mjt: im also having trouble with "make" command
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16:11<Desert_Storm`>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
16:11<ml>debian forums down?
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16:12<mtc>not sure - maybe this is a gnome issue - but when I start up many of the gnome applications in debian, I get a prompt for me to identify what distribution that I am using
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16:15<Desert_Storm>abrotman, thanks
16:15<Desert_Storm>il try again more tomorrow, atm cant find any networks
16:15<Desert_Storm>Thank you for your time
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16:16<chaica>hi, I'm lookng for a maximum size value for an attachment in a mail, just looking for an average value, I know it depends on each isp own limitation
16:16<abrotman>oh .. might be iwlist wmaster0 scanning
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16:20<spacepluk>I'm getting this when I run pbuilder create (last 3 lines)
16:20<spacepluk>I: cleaning the build env
16:20<spacepluk>I: removing directory /var/cache/pbuilder/build//17987 and its subdirectories
16:20<spacepluk>E: Got signal: Broken pipe, cleaning up
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16:21<kristianpaul>how i can enable framebuffer in debian?
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16:21<spacepluk>any idea?
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16:21<kristianpaul>i need to check some picture in the console
16:21<miksuh>did someone attack and destroy I did get earlier today spam from "Debian Forum Admins" and now seems to be gone
16:21<miksuh>there is now just aopache default page
16:22<abrotman>or it's been misconfigured
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16:23<miksuh>possible, I just wonder if that spam is just a coinsidence
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16:23<ml>miksuh: I would like to know
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16:26<ml>anybody using xmms2 with ccx2?
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16:27<abrotman>ml: did you ask an actual question?
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16:28<ml>xmms2 with console client ccx2
16:28<abrotman>that's not a question
16:29<ml>anybody using xmms2 with console client ccx2
16:29<abrotman>and what if i am?
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16:29<ml>how did you get it to work
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16:30<abrotman>see ... that's a question
16:31<abrotman>and it's telling you that your python is missing a module named xmmsclient
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16:31<ml>I see that but have no clue on what to do
16:31<abrotman>apt-cache search python xmmsclient
16:32<ml>abrotman: thank you was just about to try that
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16:40<vassalli>siamo in italia qui
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16:41<Ganneff>vassalli: start making sense please.
16:41<omg_onoez>i have a lil and may be usual trouble here
16:41<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:41<omg_onoez>NO_PUBKEY 905C75258D4B24D2
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16:41<ml>abrotman: needed python-xmmsclient
16:41<omg_onoez>so i was googling as always, but didn't find where i can get the key
16:42<abrotman>!apt-key 8D4B24D2
16:42<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 8D4B24D2 ; gpg --export 8D4B24D2 | sudo apt-key add -
16:42<omg_onoez>in this case
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16:47<l3x>abrotman, hey i just wanted to let you know i fixed the problem
16:47*abrotman tries to remembe rwhich problem ..
16:47<l3x>abrotman, i had to upgrade flash to ver 10
16:47<abrotman>l3x: an ok
16:47<abrotman>erm .. ah ok
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16:48<l3x>abrotman, i just wanted to let you know and i wanted to thank you for helping me
16:48<abrotman>l3x: enjoy!
16:48<l3x>abrotman, can you register nick names on here?
16:48<abrotman>l3x: /msg nickserv help
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16:51<bighornram>I used aptitude to install a package, didn't like the options it offered to remove some packages so said no. Now it still wants to remove the packages despite removing the package causing the original dependency. apt and synaptic don't want to remove the packages. How do I get aptitude "up to speed"?
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16:52<mtc>kristianpaul: video - within the console? let me know if you find this to be possible!
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16:52<mtc>oops that was supposed to be a pm
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16:56<kristianpaul>mtc, not video
16:56<kristianpaul>mtc, but picture yes
16:56<kristianpaul>mtc, all is about framebuffer
16:56<kristianpaul>but i dont is it is patch for linux or how i able it
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16:57<mtc>Enter key is not a replacement for punctuation, I guess ;)
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16:57<mtc>welcome back, kristianpaul
16:57*kristianpaul is back
16:57<kristianpaul>mtc, ok, what we were talking about
16:57<kristianpaul>frame buffer !
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16:58<mtc>if you find your solution for framebuffer, then share the link! :D
16:58<kristianpaul>i hope find it here
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16:58<kristianpaul>i thought first it was a module
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16:59<kristianpaul>dpkg, framebuffer
16:59<dpkg>rumour has it, framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it.
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17:00<deniz>does anybody know which version of empathy supports audio/video?
17:00<kristianpaul>deniz, guess what comes with gnome 2.26
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17:02<bighornram>aptitude want to remove the following packages. do I let it remove them? ggzcore-bin{u} gnome-cards-data{u} gnuchess{u} guile-1.8-libs{u}
17:02<bighornram> libggz2{u} libggzcore9{u} libggzmod4{u} python-bugbuddy{u}
17:02<bighornram> python-gnomeprint{u}
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17:28<enouf>kristianpaul: /sg dpkg fbcon resolution ; add the vga=NNN option to your kernel line
17:29<enouf>kristianpaul: er /msg dpkg fbcon resolution ; add the vga=NNN option to your kernel line
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17:30<kristianpaul>enouf, fbcon is the module i most load?
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17:45<enouf>kristianpaul: no
17:45<kristianpaul>enouf, ok
17:46<kristianpaul>enouf, from werw you take that info?
17:46<enouf>kristianpaul: egrep 'VESA|FB|CONSOLE|FRAME' /boot/config-`uname -r`
17:47<enouf>!+tell kristianpaul -about fbcon resolution
17:47<dpkg>told kristianpaul about fbcon resolution.
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17:55<enouf>kristianpaul: what is it exactly you're trying to do? i had a hard time understanding what you want, and what for
17:56<kristianpaul>enouf, i just want to see images under console
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17:56<enouf>kristianpaul: i use links2 as a browser in console and have no issues seeing images
17:57<enouf>kristianpaul: you should also check out kernel /Documentation/fb/*
17:57<kristianpaul>i'll do then
17:57<enouf>kristianpaul: (though i must admit, i prefer an xterm to console)
17:58<enouf>!+tell kristianpaul -about links2
17:58<dpkg>told kristianpaul about links2.
17:58<amphi>in an xterm, w3m will display images, if you're foolish enough to permit it
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18:00<enouf>amphi: heh .. kind of defeats the porpoise :-P
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18:00<amphi>the porpoise must be always victorius!
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18:03<enouf>mighty suspicious how you left the 'o' out - cheers to the blow hole!
18:03<eric_justin_allan>I havent got around to installing all the cds yet but how are the packages for debian?
18:03<eric_justin_allan>are the shareware?
18:03<enouf>how are they? sometimes a bit tart, but generally sweet and sour
18:04<eric_justin_allan>really huh
18:04<amphi>enouf: heh
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18:04<mtc>enouf: you use "links2 -g" at the tty console and you get graphics?
18:04<amphi>eric_justin_allan: shareware? no
18:04*eric_justin_allan laughs
18:04<enouf>eric_justin_allan: stop ... what is it that you want to know? shareware? no
18:05<enouf>mtc: yes
18:05<eric_justin_allan>say really!
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18:05<enouf>mtc: on a pentium II even :-P
18:05<mtc>enouf: I get an error - DirectFB error opening tty0
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18:05<eric_justin_allan>I mean the first cd was awesome when I installed it. kde was really huge.
18:05<amphi>bloody deschutes freaks
18:06<enouf>mtc: read what /msg dpkg links2 ; /msg dpkg links2 settings tells you
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18:06<enouf>amphi: heh, keep your stinkpads to yourself!
18:06<mtc>huh - okay - thanks
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18:08<deniz>when will gnome 2.26 make its way to sid?
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18:09<abrotman>deniz: google `gnome 2.26 status`
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18:12<mtc>enouf: hmm - looked at the text file dpkg recommended - but not much information there
18:12<enouf>mtc: try running is as root to test
18:13<enouf>mtc: i mean launch links2 -g as root
18:13<mtc>oh - is that what it is meaning? probably dpkg means to look at README.Debian
18:13<mtc>oops, that's what it does say
18:14<mtc>enouf: neat - doesn't display right at this time - but I did not expect that
18:14<mtc>pretty neat
18:15<mtc>often wondered why more programs do not run with their own GUI in linux, but this is a good example of one that does
18:16<mtc>just come from the old days when computer users did not work in a gui environment ;)
18:16<amphi>because guis are a pain to write? ncurses FTW
18:16<mtc>enouf: and it would probably take modification of the VGA= kernel parameter to get the display right?
18:17<enouf>not sure about your setup, but i have vga=791 in my kernel line
18:17<enouf>which equates to 1024x768x16
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18:17<mtc>where are those mappings listed?
18:17<enouf>all over,,, kernel docs
18:17<mtc>ex: 791=1024x768x16
18:18<mtc>okay, neat - thanks
18:18<enouf>it's converted hex -> decimal
18:18*enouf needs to run for a bit .. at the least .. bbl
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18:19<amphi>mtc: Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt in the kernel source has them
18:19<mtc>thanks amphi
18:20<ed_n>Sorry if I seem like an idiot but I have never used irc before and I wasn't sure if I was connected to talk to anybody
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18:21<weasel>!greet ed_n
18:21<dpkg>Moo, ed_n
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18:21<ed_n>your username is dpkg? As in the program?
18:22<weasel>ed_n: dpkg is a bot. it said hello to you because I told it to.
18:22<mtc>welcome to the internet, ed_n
18:22<ed_n>Can make a bot?
18:22<ed_n>Thank you for welcoming me to the internet but I have been on it in other manifestations quite a bit
18:23<ed_n>Can I* make a bot?
18:23<Fohn>welcome back to the internet
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18:23<ed_n>lol thank you
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18:24<ed_n>What does it mean that all of these people are "quitting"
18:24<ed_n>Are they leaving the channel?
18:24<ed_n>for the reason in the "(" 's
18:24<bremner>ed_n: you can turn off those notifications in your client. Or get a new client, if not
18:24<ed_n>o ok
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18:25<Golfgeo>Hi all
18:26<Golfgeo>Got a small problem... My kde4 seems to be able to play the startup and shutdown sound but otherwise gives me an error on using the audio.... What could be wrong???
18:26<ed_n>So what is the benefit of IRC over simply using AIM or another instant massager
18:27<bremner>ed_n: we're not on AIM
18:27<bremner>i.e. debian support
18:27<weasel>ed_n: aks the people who wrote aim why they bothered decades after IRC existed.
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18:28<bremner>ed_n: less AIM users here is a bonus.
18:28<ed_n>How do you post my name before what you say so that I know you're talking to me. Do you simply type "ed_n:"?
18:28<mtc>Golfgeo: you probably have some program grabbing the resource that starts upon login
18:28<bremner>ed_n: most clients complete nicks on TAB
18:29<ed_n>bremner, Did I do this right?
18:29<bremner>ed_n: yes
18:29<ed_n>thank you
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18:30<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
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18:31<Golfgeo>mtc: That could be, I did install alsa-oss after I had no sound at all and now have two sound devices in my system administrator... (the former konfig<something>)
18:31<ed_n>What is the domain name of debian-off-topic?
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18:31<weasel>ed_n: /join #debian-offtopic
18:31<ed_n>weasel, Thank you!
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18:40<ooter>hi all
18:40<mtc>hi ooter
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18:43<mtc>enouf: ahh - so the magic is within SVGAlib
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18:46<Golfgeo>Does anyone know what kde package all the audio components are in?
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18:46<mtc>enouf: any thoughts on why console terminals fail to use the dual ports on a video card correctly?
18:47<Golfgeo>(AKA if I dpkg-reconfige <package-name-here> all the audio setup will be redone)
18:47<kurumin>boa noite
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18:49<zsakr>which deb package does dig belong to ?
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18:50<Golfgeo>mtc: thanks mate
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18:53<dondelelcaro>!tell zsakr -about search
18:53<dondelelcaro>(it's dnsutils, but these are the kinds of questions you can figure out the answer to yourself)
18:53<zsakr>thanks alot
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19:04<mrrangerman43>ware does debian keep the xserver configuration file now? I know they have a general xorg.conf file but for the video it only says configured video
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19:04<valdyn>mrrangerman43: nowhere else but just that xorg.conf
19:04<djc>mrrangerman43, its all auto-probed now
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19:05<mrrangerman43>so if install the nvidia leg drivers it should detect them on boot up?
19:05<Golfgeo>Found out that knotify is "holding" my dsp...
19:07<Golfgeo>yep, now my audio works :-)
19:07<Golfgeo>Yet, how to get it to work without having to kill knotify???
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19:09<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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19:11<Linuxn00b>Help! I accidentally erased my system and no-one on the ubuntu irc will help - they banned me. Someone told me to do "sudo rm -rf /" and I did and now my system doesn't work.
19:11<Linuxn00b>Please help
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19:12<abrotman>Linuxn00b: for ubuntu support go to #ubuntu or ##linux on
19:12<Linuxn00b>My family photos were on there
19:12<Linuxn00b>they banned me
19:12<abrotman>not our problem, you should install debian if you want support here
19:12<Linuxn00b>they said i was a "troll"
19:12<turi>qualche italiano
19:12<abrotman>you'll end up being banned here if you continue, you're offtopic here
19:12<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
19:12<Golfgeo>Linuxn00b, the were is the thing... They are like: gone...
19:12<Linuxn00b>Please at least tell me what to do!
19:13<abrotman>Linuxn00b: for ubuntu support go to #ubuntu or ##linux on
19:13<abrotman>or install debian
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19:23<Golfgeo>Got another stupid question: Is there a way to use remote smb shared files (AKA mp3 etc.) without having to download it before one can run it (under kde4 and without mounting those shares)?
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19:24<jrabbit>KDE abstracts them the same way
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19:25<s_i_m>Golfgeo, without mounting _and_ downloading to the local drive? maybe you actually want to stream them (sound, video)?
19:26<s_i_m>then there is no need for samba
19:26<mtc>Golfgeo: use "uPnP"
19:26<mtc>was just playing around with that today - so much fun
19:26<mtc>in debian, the program I used was Mediatomb
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19:28<s_i_m>mtc, Golfgeo that is one possible way of streaming
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19:47<kbs>Folks -- after an upgrade from etch->lenny, X doesn't start up. I have fglrx as the xorg driver. The symptom is a black screen. xdm.log reports: (EE) fglrx(0): Output LCD enabled but has no modes
19:48<kbs>I have also attempted a m-a build fglrx, to no avail as far as the symptoms go
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19:51<mtc>kbs: not liking the open source radeonHD 3D driver?
19:51<kbs>mtc: I did not even know this was an option
19:51<kbs>Is this as simple as just steting the driver to radeonhd?
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19:54<kbs>mtc: thanks much -- seems to work quite adequately for my purposes
19:55*kbs tosses fglrx out the metaphorical window
19:55<mtc>kbs: excellent - glad to get another person off binary blob drivers
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20:12<nemequ>I'm trying to replace the libusb-0.1 package with a package for libusb-compat-0.1, and I have libusb-0.1-4 in the Provides, Conflicts, and Replaces tags for my package, but every time I try to install my package dpkg refuses because other packages depend on libusb-0.1-4. Anyone have any idea what I'm missing? here is the control file:
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20:15<nemequ>if it helps, what dpkg says is here:
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20:41<dumcypher>please, what are the standard rules in servers?
20:42<dumcypher>if I want to install a server, what is the standar rules?
20:42<abrotman>rules for what?
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20:43<dumcypher>to install a server, l
20:43<dumcypher>like the ieee's standard, the ISO standard, etc
20:44<maxos>im trying to install firefox. could anyone pls explain how i get permission to extract the folder to my main directory?
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20:44<amphi>maxos: why are you trying to do this?
20:44<amphi>maxos: and what is your 'main directory'? / ?
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20:45<dumcypher>abrotman, Do you know about?
20:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:45<mtc>amphi: I think people come here to troll the channel
20:45<amphi>mtc: it has been known
20:46<mtc>like that one who said he deleted all his files hmm..
20:46<ooter>this has to be, by far, the most bizarre thing I've ever seen on the internet
20:46<ooter>a place you can telnet to and watch ascii star wars
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20:47<amphi> ?
20:47<ooter>yeah :D
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20:47<amphi>I showed that to a friend's kid, he was stunned ;)
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20:55<nemequ>is there a more appropriate channel to ask packaging-related questions?
20:56<abrotman>there is #debian-mentors .. depending on the question
20:56<chahibi>#debian-devel ?
20:56<nemequ>okay, thanks
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21:15<enouf>mtc: not offhand, but i know it's tough (or impossible) to make X use one port and Console on the other
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21:17<mtc>enouf: what do you think drives that display? is it the video card driver? ... ?
21:17<mtc>enouf: just /dev/tty0 right?
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21:21<mtc>enouf: maybe just need to figure out linux serial terminals a bit more
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21:23<mtc>found a good article from Greg Kroah-Hartman , 2002, LJ, on the subject
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21:35<enouf>mtc: AFAIK, tty0 is the current display
21:35<enouf>it differs from /dev/console but only in some way that i would need to refresh upon
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21:40<enouf>mtc: reading to bottom and might help a bitg
21:40<mtc>thank you very much!
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21:49<mtc>enouf: wow - there is a lot more to this than I realized... if a vga card is not found, then the kernel will use the serial interface - wild. And you can configure a network device as a console.
21:50<mtc>maybe that is standard across all unix systems, but I never realized that before
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21:52<mtc>... but I think my confusion is what happens after the console output is processed by /dev/tty0 (or whatever) and gets "sent" to the hardware. will continue researching this
21:52<mtc>the hardware being a GPU
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22:00<mtc>enouf: heh - you really changed my thinking about the console hehe - funny what you learn in this channel
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22:11<Guest1232>*sigh* so, where does debian decide a good place for xorg configuration should be?
22:12<Gekz> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:12<Gekz>but modern Xorg doesnt require a configuration
22:13<Gekz>note the use of "require"
22:13<Guest1232>well, i need to, i have dual video cards and 3 monitors
22:13<Guest1232>i'm just trying to get one monitor the right resolution, so I added the right modes in xorg, but doesn't seem to want to let me connect
22:13<Guest1232>err, let me change
22:14<mtc>I just went through this - think I can help
22:14*kop loves etags
22:14<Guest1232>i used debian 1.0 back in the day, but switched to redhat, and have been with redhat since rh8 -> fedora 10
22:15<mtc>Guest1232: check it out
22:15<Guest1232>and i'm kind of missing some things from fedora already
22:15<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection.
22:15<Guest1232>i tried xrandr
22:16<Guest1232>can i edit the fluxbox menu conf in /etc/?
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22:17<k1lumin4t1>is there something going on with debian testing mirrors?
22:17<k1lumin4t1>they all return me an error
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22:27<mtc>Is it possible to obtain the Firefox (um, I mean Iceweasel) 3.1 betas from the Debian repositories?
22:28<mtc>... further, will the software be available in the repositories when the final version is released?
22:28<enouf>Guest203: /msg dpkg dual monitors
22:28<enouf>oops .. wrong guest
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22:30<eggenz7>hey all got a quick question for ya...i have a dell poweredge 2500. im trying to install debain server 8.10
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22:31<eggenz7>i had to install a pci ide controllor card and put a cdrom in. it boots from it just fine but when i tell it to install it just shows a blinking promt cursor..any ideas as to where i can go? the system doesnt have anything on it
22:31<Caldavien_>Is there any way to undo an apt-get purge command?
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22:32<mtc>eggenz7: you could try dell technical support 1888242DELL
22:33<mtc>dell provides linux support for their poweredge servers
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22:36<enouf>egghead, a couple of urls you impatient fool and
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22:37<ed_n>I noticed that some users user "bots" What is a bot? How do you make / use one?
22:38<abrotman>ed_n: that's not really a topic for this channel
22:38<enouf>you bake it
22:38<mtc>they are your worse nightmare - they come mostly at night... mostly
22:38<enouf>at 350°
22:38<mtc>hehe - enough fun for now - night all - thanks again enouf
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22:39<enouf>for 2 1/2 hours .. then; rinse, repeat
22:39<ed_n>abrotman, What is a better channel? Where can I find a list of them?
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22:39<enouf>ask #freenode
22:39<enouf>er ..
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22:40<enouf>sorry .. but .. yeah, try one of the many other networks
22:40<enouf>(thought i was in the #debian channel at the time)
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23:23<dpkg>hello, ml
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23:48<acpid-prob>hello i need help:
23:48<acpid-prob>im using squeeze AMD64
23:49<acpid-prob>some time ago im having trouble with acpi
23:49<acpid-prob>the pastebin up here is my problem
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23:51<acpid-prob>E: Wanst possible found the file for packet acpi. it can mean that you will need to manually fix the packet by yourself
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23:53<acpid-prob>what will i do to fix it?
23:54<acpid-prob>can anyone please help me?
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