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---Logopened Wed Apr 22 00:00:03 2009
---Daychanged Wed Apr 22 2009
00:00<cesurasean1>This version of the ClamAV engine is outdated.
00:00<cesurasean1>can anyone tell me why this is happening?
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00:03<ml|>yo yo
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00:07<cesurasean1>The lonely stoner seems to free his mind at night
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00:20<cesurasean1>Tue Apr 21 23:11:35 2009: /usr/sbin/apache-ssl is not executable, not starting/reloading... ^[[31mfailed!^[[39;49m
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00:30<cesurasean1>anyone got a clue why I am getting /usr/sbin/apache-ssl is not executable, not starting/reloading... on my boot log?
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00:37<cesurasean1>what is the package name for apache-ssl?
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00:41<djc2>Horrid interface
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00:45<bcw>cesurasean, you can use this website to find out:
00:47<bcw>cesurasean1, i mean
00:47<cesurasean1>there is no package in lenny
00:50<bcw>yep, looks like it's an etch package of the same name
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00:51<cesurasean1>so how do I remove it?
00:51<cesurasean1>I've already tried apt-get remove apache-ssl
00:51<cesurasean1>no luck
00:52<bcw>try aptitude remove apache-ssl ... it may tell you why it won't remove it. or you could use aptitude why, assuming you have the lenny version of aptitude
00:53<cesurasean1>aptitude remove apache-ssl doesnt work either
00:53<bcw>does it give any explanation of why?
00:54<cesurasean1>just doesn't find any packages
00:54<cesurasean1>seems like it's not even installed
00:55<bcw>hmm. i don't know, but maybe someone else can help
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00:56<cesurasean1>ill probably have to just remove it by hand
00:57<bcw>maybe, but that would be the very last thing i would try.
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00:58<bcw>and if you do that, you'll want to use update-rc.d to make sure the init doesn't try to start something that doesn't exist. in fact, that may be what's happening now
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01:00<bcw>does 'ls /usr/sbin/apache-ssl' show the file?
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01:32<locsmif>Is there a way I can make apt-get stop whining about autoremove?
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01:35<aardvarX>you can run it so it removes the affected packages
01:37<jm_>why does it whine? or rather when?
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01:45<locsmif>aardvarX, autoremove always mentioned packages it ought not to mention, furthermore, I do not want to be spammed. I, and only I, choose which packages go where and when.
01:45<locsmif>jm_, it whines because it is (a) repetitive (b) erroneous and (c) unrequested
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01:47<locsmif>I don't know if deborphan is functionally similar or equal, but I often use that as it actually displays packages I do not need anymore, such as libraries on which nothing depends anymore
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01:50<jm_>locsmif: no, I mean does it whine everytime you instlal something?
01:50<jm_>that's annoying, aptitude is smarter then
01:50<locsmif>unless I rename /var/lib/apt/extended_states to /var/lib/apt/extended_states.go_away ofcoure
01:51<locsmif>but that's a fugly hack
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01:52<jm_>yeah or modify its contents
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01:57<k1lumin4t1>what's the difference between using http or rsync with debmirror?
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01:58<k1lumin4t1>ound it
01:58<k1lumin4t1>rsync works with diffs
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02:15<k1lumin4t1>I want to make a mirror out of
02:15<k1lumin4t1>how could I do?
02:15<lsdkjflskj>not sure if this is the right chan but i'm looking for a swf video player that can be used in a web browser and i can pass a variable to of a remote file.
02:16<lsdkjflskj>wget? then upload to your server/whatever?
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02:17<k1lumin4t1>lsdkjflskj, sounds about right
02:17<k1lumin4t1>lsdkjflskj, cuz it fails with debmirror
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02:19<locsmif>jm_, I guess that's it.. :
02:20<locsmif>APT::Get::HideAutoRemove "1";
02:20<locsmif>et al.
02:20<jm_>locsmif: I was looking at apt.config man page and it doesn't mention it ;)
02:20<jm_>apt.conf even
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02:21<jm_>ahh but configure-index.gz does, how annoying
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02:21<locsmif>jm_, yeah...these kinds of things seem undocumented, I ran a strings on /usr/bin/apt-get to find out ;-)
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02:21<locsmif>(then googled it)
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02:22<locsmif>so..configure-index.gz then.
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02:23<jm_>yup, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
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02:24<lsdkjflskj>any idea why i cant get any sound on a flv i'm playing in gxine?
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02:33<locsmif>lsdkjflskj, run gxine from a terminal and look for error messages
02:34<lsdkjflskj>i am and there are none
02:34<lsdkjflskj>well, none relating to audio
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02:40<locsmif>Play it with mplayer. Same problem or not?
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02:42<death>i am god mother fucker i need no identification
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02:43<death>fuck with me comm on i will win the battle nick the dick fuck off bitch
02:43<death>do all u weird motherfuckers speak german or some bullshit cause i cant understand a fucking word any of u are fucking saying
02:43<death>hello mother fuckers
02:44<adb>!ops death spam
02:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: death spam
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02:44<death> any one therskdjhfasdbskdnhfgsdkfjhghsdkfjhgsdfghsldgfkskfsujhefjkdkfgfsjkjfhdaisgdjiakshgfryuijas thats what all u fucks are saying good bye oh and as we speak im hacking all of ur systems i will terminate evry one hah ah hah ah a
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03:20<m2rt>GRUB.... I installed it on my flash drive. Now I can not get rid of it.
03:21<m2rt>how to overwrite the mbr?
03:23<jm_>use another tool that installs itself on mbr
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03:23<m2rt>that sucks.
03:26<locsmif>you can empty the mbr of bootloaders
03:26<m2rt>I tried dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1 count=446 . but it didn't work.
03:26<locsmif>I think
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03:26<m2rt>no? :D
03:26<locsmif>Do you have any data on there?
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03:27<m2rt>Yeah I do, but its easily replace-able :P
03:27<m2rt>I tried deleting partition and all other stuff :P
03:27<m2rt>still the grub tries to load:P
03:28<locsmif>ok well in that case wipe it all off then ;-)
03:28<jm_>partitions come after the MBR
03:28<locsmif> hda really a flash drive?
03:28<locsmif>or did you just destroy your primary harddisk partition
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03:28<m2rt>nah it is /dev/hdb
03:28<m2rt>I just copied the command from the instructions.
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03:29<locsmif>Well that command should have worked, provided you provide the right device name and you are root
03:29<m2rt>I am.
03:29<locsmif>I still doubt that it would be hdx
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03:29<m2rt>Partition editor show that.
03:30<m2rt>Though its mounted as /media/disk
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03:30<locsmif>It's mounted and you are trying to write to the MBR?
03:31<m2rt>seems that we got the problem :D
03:31<locsmif>You like to tempt fate ;-)
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03:32<m2rt> it gave that result.
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03:34<m2rt> locsmif, what does it tell you?
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03:38<m2rt>I shall try this
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03:39<jm_>usb disk would be /dev/sd* or in unusual cases ub*
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03:44<zxd>how do i disable "click here to download plugin" link in firefox
03:44<m2rt>/dev/sdb1 worked too jm_
03:45<jm_>m2rt: please stop doing this, you will ruin all your data
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03:45<m2rt>I do not care of the data :p
03:45<m2rt>I do not care of the stick too.
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03:45<jm_>you need to zero /dev/sdb to erase MBR
03:46<jm_>but double verify it's your sdb otherwise you'll do it to you rother disks
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03:46<locsmif>jm_, he wants to believe it's hdb, so let him ;-)
03:46<m2rt>I have only 2 disks and 3 partitions. ext3 , swap and fat16
03:46<m2rt>not hard to miss :P
03:46<m2rt>woot it succeeded!
03:46<locsmif>m2rt, just wipe all harddisks..
03:46<locsmif>oh.. ok, congrats ;-)
03:46*m2rt beats the crap out of locsmif
03:47<locsmif>hah! I am behind teh safety of my intahrnet fi-urewall
03:48<m2rt>poor locklace, he almost got into way...
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03:57<shiznatix>I just did a fresh basic install of lenny with gnome-core and other basic packages but I am having a lot of trouble with Nautilus crashing while browsing remote directories such as a mounted ssh directory. I remember having this same problem in an older version of ubuntu but the latest one was just fine but now that I ditched Ubuntu for Debian the problem has come back. Any idea how to fix this?
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04:11<klang>shiznatix: see if you can reproduce the problem in debian unstable. if so, investigate changes in ubuntu and port the fix to lenny. otherwise, investigate changes in debian and port the fix to lenny.
04:12<twb>I need some help with metainit.
04:12<twb>I'm trying to get it to write an init script for a custom binary I've got, which wasn't installed by apt/dpkg.
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04:13<twb>Ah, it has to end in .metainit
04:13<shiznatix>klang, I only have a work computer, I can't just use it as a test computer and reformat it every other day. It has to be stable and in a consistant state. Plus, I have no idea how to port these fixes or even what to look for
04:14<shiznatix>I was hoping there might be a bug in this version and I could roll back to a previous version or future version that did not have this problem. Maybe someone knows about that?
04:15<jm_>shiznatix: you can test all of this in chroot, no need to format etc.
04:16<klang>shiznatix: yes, i was just sketching what a developer might do. in your case, i suspect nothing short of that will help.
04:16<shiznatix>Any tutorials on how this could be done in chroot?
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04:17<shiznatix>I have tons of HD space so if I can have this test somehow go without having to partition or format or anything then I can try
04:17<Supaplex>where can I find the build logs of linux-image-2.6.18-6-vserver-amd64 ? How do I figure out what toolchains were used to compile it?
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04:20<titof>hi all
04:21<Supaplex>all has left for the day.
04:22<bcw>shiznatix, the advice they're giving you is more long-term than a simple tutorial would cover, but you can start reading about how to become a debian developer here:
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04:23<simonrvn>just missed all. said he was busy, so had to go.
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04:24<Supaplex>thanks OdyX =)
04:24<titof>i'm fighting with bind, trying to define a forwarder inside a domain... i mean i have two servers , one master on and the other master on i thought that all i have to do with bind9 for forwarding request sended to that want to match stuff inside was to define a forward type for the zone on the named.conf of the master on .... but each time i request it , and even i give a forward o
04:24<titof>nly; rule it's still the that try to resolve it ... any idea ?
04:25<OdyX>Supaplex: I could not find the latest version, but in any case, buildd.d.o is your friend…
04:25<shiznatix>bcw, so there is nothing I can do now to try to get the constant (at least once every 30 minutes) crashes from happening? I just have to suck it up?
04:25<OdyX>Supaplex: btw, this is "oldstable" kernel now…
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04:26<simonrvn>i'm pretty sure Supaplex is aware of it ;).
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04:26<jm_>shiznatix: read about how to install debian unstable in chroot
04:27<OdyX>simonrvn: yeah… Just in case ;)
04:27<Supaplex>yeaw. :) I have 76TB of tapes waiting to make their way to me. I have a few things to backup. heh heh. :)
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04:27<Supaplex>!kiss LTO4+SAS
04:27*dpkg smooches LTO4+SAS on the cheek
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04:28*simonrvn is really getting used to the "wiki compiler" idea
04:28<bcw>shiznatix, there might be a simple fix, i don't know... i'm just pointing a resource you might want if you take their advice. But no, you don't have to suck it up.. you can also file a bug report by following
04:28<Supaplex>simonrvn: tEh what?
04:29<simonrvn>apt-cache show ikiwiki
04:29<jm_>shiznatix: start by running it in debugger, get stack trace, see if it's known
04:30<shiznatix>How do I run it in debugger? What program is that?
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04:31<simonrvn>gdb for instance
04:31<Supaplex>hummm so you can take a snapshot of your ELF powered wiki, and make it plain html etc? That'd be great if your database+webserver took a face plant. you could view the snapshot on anything else.
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04:32<sander_m>Hello. Is there any sensible way to tell Debian not to touch certain packages? I installed VirtualBox 2.x from and I had module assistant build a kernel module for it (virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-2-686) but Debian (Lenny) always wants to "upgrade" to the 1.6.x modules package provided by I have the same problem with ATI drivers and Flash. As a result, I now have a massive /etc/apt/preferences and I need to manually hold ba
04:32<sander_m>ck or lock the packages in aptitude, synaptic/update-manager *and* apt-get. And they all have a different way of holding packages back. This is really getting silly. There must be a better way. Any ideas?
04:32<titof>bye all
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04:33<jm_>sander_m: apt's normal way os to install the latest version, it's rather unusual backports has older version then
04:34<simonrvn>also sticking to just one of those helps....
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04:34<thahauss>I have two issues which I've googled for to no avail. I'm using 'Rdesktop" to remote from linux to xp. I need a switch in the "rdesktop" command to not display the terminal. Also when i connect, I can change the wallpaper and it'll be there only for that session, when i remote back in i only see a the color wallpaper i choose not the image. any help greatly appreciated
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04:35<jm_>thahauss: what is to not display a terminal? for second one, you need to do it on windows
04:35<sander_m>jm_: Backports has a newer version (2.1.x as opposed to 1.6.x). I have no idea why apt insists on downgrading to the 1.6 version provided by Hold on and I will pastebin my /etc/apt/preferences.
04:36<jm_>sander_m: use apt-cache policy
04:36<thahauss>jm_, to hide the terminal from the panel / window
04:37<Supaplex>thahauss: not display the terminal? what do you mean? the background would be -x: RDP5 experience (m[odem 28.8], b[roadband], l[an] or hex nr.)
04:37<jm_>thahauss: you mean rdesktop window or what?
04:38<thahauss>jm_, sry if im not being clear I'm new to linux. Im' running rdesktop thru a launcher and it starts when I boot. I only want to display the rdesktop window, and not the terminal session running rdesktop
04:38<jm_>sander_m: apt-cache policy pkgname
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04:38<thahauss>Supaplex, ty ill try that
04:38<sander_m>jm_: It all started when apt insisted on upgrading some fglrx package because the version from looked newer based on the package name (it wasn't. ATI just named their package differently)
04:38<jm_>thahauss: ahh you want to run it in fullscreen?
04:39<jm_>thahauss: try rdesktop -f
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04:39<thahauss>jm_, not fullscreen, in a window in different desktops because im remoting into 2 boxes
04:39<jm_>thahauss: well in that case I don't undersant what you want to do :)
04:39<thahauss>jm_, w/ the command im using rdesktop launches, and the terminal does too, I dont want to display the terminal at all
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04:40<jm_>thahauss: can you make a screenshot?
04:40<thahauss>jm_, sure
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04:41<sander_m>jm_: Seems to be the same problem. marks the package version first by kernel version, then virtualbox version (so it starts with 2.6.26) while module-assistant builds a package whose name starts with the virtualbox version number (2.1.4). And sinmce 2.6.26 > 2.1.4 I run into trouble.
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04:43<jm_>sander_m: yes, it's a newer version, you can use dpkg to compare version strings
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04:45<jm_>thahauss: ahh I see, when you launch this it first opens a terminal and then in that it starts rdesktop
04:45<thahauss>jm_, exactly
04:45<jm_>thahauss: how did you say you start it?
04:46<thahauss>desktop -u Administrator -p xxxxxxxx -r sound:remote -g 1900x1100+0+0
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04:46<thahauss>jm_, thats in a launcher, then i added it to startup
04:46<jm_>you run that in Start->run or somesuch?
04:47<thahauss>i run that in linux
04:47<sander_m>jm_: `dpkg --compare-versions 2.1.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1+2.6.26-15 gt 2.6.26+1.6.6-dfsg-6+lenny1 && echo "ok" || echo "false"` says "false" on my system, so it thinks the lenny version is newer than the backports version built with module-assistant?
04:47<thahauss>jm_, the box it connects to is xp
04:47<jm_>yes, I meant from gnome's run menu?
04:47<thahauss>jm_, ah yes
04:47<jm_>sander_m: indeed
04:48<jm_>thahauss: ok, open a terminal, in it run 'which desktop' without quotes
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04:49<thahauss>jm_, ty for the help sry i g2g
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04:49<sander_m>jm_: Can I fix that in a sensible way? Right now I have a big /etc/apt/preferences and manual pins in 3 different applications. Everytime I need to change this (like rebuilding a kernel module for a new kernel or something) I spend over half an hour fixing all the pinning issues :-(
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04:49<sander_m>jm_: I'm not even sure that my /etc/apt/preferences is correct
04:50<jm_>sander_m: in general you can say apt* install pkg=version - is that what will help you?
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04:50<jim>тут есть кто-то?
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04:50<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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04:52<jim>меня кто-то видет?
04:52<sander_m>jm_: Not really. The problem is that when update-manager runs, or `aptitude upgrade` or `apt-get upgrade` or Synaptic "mark all updates" that it tries to downgrade all these modules and packages. And I fesure to believe that the best way to deal with that issue is the hour long package manager fiddling that I have to do now. Debian has smart people. There must be a better way that I don't know of :-)
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04:53*rah shamelessly repeats
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04:53<rah>anyone know how to stop this dialog from coming up every time I run an application that needs access to a password in the default keyring?
04:53<rah>following google, I've checked the settings in /etc/pam.d and everything seems right, and I've set the password on the default keyring to match my login password
04:54<jm_>sander_m: I don't know of a better way, I think this is the way (of course sometimes setting default release helps, but I don't think it helps you)
04:55<SQlvpapir>rah: for gnome there is a keyring manager that could help.. idk
04:56<rah>SQlvpapir: help how?
04:56<jim>help me
04:57<sander_m>jm_: Okay. I'll punt the question to the mailinglist. Many more people are on there than on this IRC channel. Hopefully someone there has a trick up their sleeve. Thanks for your help anyway!
04:57<jm_>sander_m: I would just rebuild packages with proper version myself
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05:00<themill>sander_m: I've not been following... but you realise that the first kernel version is in the package name and then both kernel and vbox version are in the package version?
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05:00<sander_m>jm_: I don't know how to do that. I suppose I could figure it out for the module-assistant built kernel modules, but that still leaves me with the same problem for ATI drivers from It has the same problem (dpkg says 8.593-1 < 1:9-4-1)
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05:01<themill>sander_m: that version has an epoch on the front of it (1:) which will always be greater than a version without an epoch
05:01<twb>sander_m: if you just want to prevent the downgrade from 8.593-1 to 1:9-4-1, you can use aptitude's "forbid" command (F in the GUI).
05:01<sander_m>themill: Yes. That's the problem. That's why dpkg thinks that vbox 1.6.x kernel modules is newer than the 2.1.4 modules and why it is always trying to downgrade me
05:02<jm_>sander_m: the simplest way is to unpack the deb, unpak control info, change version, repack
05:02<twb>jm_: ow.
05:02<themill>sander_m: where's this 2.1.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1+2.6.26-15 package from?
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05:02<sander_m>themill: It's built bu module-assistant from virtualbox-ose-source from
05:02<twb>Isn't m-a deprecated anyway?
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05:04<Jflesch>twb: then what are we supposed to use if m-a is deprecated ?
05:04<twb>Jflesch: nFI
05:04<sander_m>twb: That works for aptitude, but not for apt-get, synaptic or update-manager. That's the problem I'm having. I need to manually track all these kinds of packages across four different apt front-ends. And I'm getting tired of that
05:04*Jflesch rtfm
05:04<twb>Jflesch: NFI = No Fucking Idea
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05:04<twb>sander_m: maybe you should just pick one front-end and stop.
05:04<sander_m>jm_: That sounds doable.
05:05<Jflesch>(explains why I couldn't find it in my apt tree .... :)
05:05<twb>Otherwise you lose the advantages of aptitude's markauto, force, etc -- so what's the point of using it?
05:05<twb>Jflesch: apt-get install WTF
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05:05<sander_m>twb: I need at least two (aptitude and update-manager) but synaptic and apt-get have their advantages too
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05:06<Jflesch>twb: yeah, I already know this one :)
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05:06<twb>That's assuming that Forbid doesn't propagate to other apt front-ends -- I'm not sure that it doesn't.
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05:07<Supaplex>!lart interweb hiccups
05:07*dpkg pulls out his louisville slugger and uses interweb hiccups's head to break the homerun record
05:07<Jflesch>twb: btw, "wtf" is in bsd-games
05:07<twb>Jflesch: ah, sorry
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05:07<Jflesch>(s/bsd-games/bsdgames actually)
05:08<sander_m>twb: it doesn't. I checked. I used forbid to hold the virtualbox kernel module in place. That worked with `aptitude full-upgrade` but update-manager and apt-get were still happy to upgrade it after that
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05:09<jm_>sander_m: and hold also doesn't help?
05:10<sander_m>The real bug IMHO is that holding back packages shouldn't be done on the front-end level but in apt/dpkg so that all front-ends do the same thing automagically
05:10<sander_m>jm_: Nope.
05:10<rah>sander_m: /etc/apt/preferences ?
05:11<sander_m>rah: Tried that. It's a hit-and-miss. See my apt/preferences here:
05:11<twb>sander_m: OK, thanks for letting me know.
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05:13<sander_m>rah: It could well be that my preferences file is buggy. There's a lot of things in there that IMO shouldn't be in there. At first there was just a single entry in it that pinned one package to -1, but it seemed that as soon as the preferences file was non-empty that all sane defaults in Synaptic and aptitude went out the window. If you see a problem in there, please do let me know
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05:16<rah>Package: *
05:16<rah>pinnen: release *
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05:16<sander_m>Question: is there an easy way to list all installed packages that come from a certain repository? For example, how do I list all package coming from stable or from
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05:16<SQlvpapir>ask dpkg about paste rah
05:16<rah>sander_m: last 3 lines?
05:17<sander_m>You pasted only 5 lines
05:17<petemc>!which repo
05:17<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or
05:17<rah>sander_m: last 3 lines of the file
05:17<rah>sander_m: seems to say "every package"
05:19<sander_m>rah: Yes. According to some apt tutorial I found the preferences file applies top-to-bottom. That last entry is there to say "don't touch anything that doesn't match any of the above", such as packages I downloaded manually and installed with dpkg
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05:22<sander_m>petemc: Thanks. apt-listrepository works great!
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05:28<Supaplex>how do I compile only one kernel target? linux-2.6_2.6.26-15.dsc has 132 binary targets and I only want linux-image-2.6.18-6-vserver-amd64
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05:35<Sketch>hey everybody, simple question here
05:35<Sketch>i have an intel core 2 quad cpu, so which version of debian should i download?
05:35<OdyX>Sketch: this processor supports amd64 and i386. amd64 is better IMHO (64 bits)
05:36<Sketch>thanks, i wasn't sure if i should go with amd64 or ia64
05:36<OdyX>depends if you really need many proprietary stuff…
05:36<Sketch>amd64 confused me since i don't have an amd cpu
05:37<OdyX>Sketch: amd64 is the generic x86 name for 64 bits...
05:37<OdyX>amd64 and EMT64
05:37<Sketch>thank you
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05:39<klando>is there a suggested wireless usb dongle for debian ?
05:39<klando>s/for/working so perfectly with/
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05:45*Necrun is Away, Reason: ( sleeping ) | Since: ( Monday, April 20, 2009. 20:47:57 ) Xlack v2.1
05:47<Supaplex>!tell Necrun -about away
05:47<Maulkin>Necrun: Please don't do that.
05:47<OdyX>klando: look for the chipsets. Atheros, Broadcom and Intel chipsets are more or less known to work correctly.
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05:47<Necrun>sorry stupid xlack
05:47<stevem_>Lo I just install debian 5, and it can play XviD out of the box - what gives?
05:47<klando>tks OdyX
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05:48<jm_>stevem_: it's bothering that it can play it or what?
05:48<stevem_>well I thought it wouldn't given the MPEG licensing issues
05:49<jm_>ok, usually people are bothered if it can't play it
05:49<OdyX>stevem_: normally _reading_ MPEG & Co is not the issue…
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05:50<stevem_>so how come distro's for ages have been missing mp3 playback support?
05:50<OdyX>stevem_: MPEG decoders can hardly be competing for the user (aka, if you follow the spec, you'll be able to read MPEG)
05:50<OdyX>stevem_: the business is in encoders…
05:50<stevem_>because this can play MP3's too
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05:51<OdyX>for the mp3 playback, I think it was due to patents (which is different from licensing) and Fraunhofer actively seeking money.
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05:51<stevem_>OdyX, but they've dropped it now?
05:51<OdyX>I don't know.
05:52<stevem_>ok so I don't get why anyone would buy the Fluendo Complete pack... if distro's now have the ability (again)
05:53<OdyX>ask Fluendo ;)
05:54<stevem_>no something is odd here... debian isn't meant to come with this support
05:55<OdyX>what do you mean by "meant" ?
05:55<OdyX> <- …
05:55<stevem_>because of the patent issues
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06:02<klang>stevem_: "distro's for ages"? who except redhat/fedora?
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06:03<klang>maybe they believe in another legal theory than debian/slackware/*bsd/..., maybe they have a deal with encoder licensors that restrict their ability to distribute decoders? who knows. the gpl might have something to do with it
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06:04<Supaplex>!fuq mp3 licenses
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06:05<dpkg>somebody said mp3 was MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet. Listening to mp3s can be an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience because the algorithm is patented in US and Germany (ask me about <ogg vorbis>)
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07:20<simi>hi, i am new to debian, i used ubuntu and arch linux a lot, i want to set up a stable system with lenny. IThe problem is that i do not have 3d acceleration and now after tryng to fix it the glxinfo command is not known
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07:20<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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07:23<simi>jm_: i do not know what i am mising, in arch i would install libgl mesa and xorg
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07:24<jm_>simi: read what dpkg will tell you - how to find out which package provides given file
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07:24<jm_>should be mesa-utils
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07:24<bcw>simi, glxinfo is in the mesa-utils package. you can use this form to search for the package a file is in :
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07:24<bassie>hi all
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07:25<alephnull>simi: You might find apt-file useful.
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07:26<jm_>yup dpkg told him about all of this
07:26<bassie>got a general question. I would like to monitor ethernet errors so i can find faulty network cables. NOT tcp/ip errors, since these are corrected at a lower layer.
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07:26<simi>bcw: thx, i am new, and i need some time to find the resources to use to find what i need(in arch the wiki is very helpful)
07:26<bcw>simi, you're welcome :)
07:27<bcw>(but other people gave good advice too, of course)
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07:28<washi>hello; if I decide to put a password on GRUB, editing the conf file and type the md5 output of grub-mde-crypt, does this mean that should I type the actual pass I will have to type all the characters, or only the password I have set without the additional letters/digits
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07:28<simi>thx to all, and i am impressed by debian speed and memory usage, is beter then arch that is a minimalistic distro, i do not know how debian devs make this posible
07:29<bcw>simi, most of the introductory web resources are available as one or two clicks away from the bar of links down the left side of
07:29<bassie>simi, a lot of the docs at ubuntu also work on debian if you need more
07:30<bcw>yep, don't be afraid to use google either, or click on relevant postings from there
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07:35<bcw>(i'm afraid i over-explained that last bit. hope i didn't put him or her off.)
07:36<elesouef>Hi there, are there any reason why, using ldap auth, 'getent passwd user1' whereas 'id user1' hangs ? Just upgraded from etch to lenny btw.
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07:42<bassie>elesouef, i just tried both on debian etch and lenny and had no probs
07:42<elesouef>I agree. I don't think it is related to etch->lenny migration.
07:42<bassie>the lenny wasn't an upgrade but a fresh isntall
07:43<jm_>elesouef: you can use strace to see where it's stuck
07:44<elesouef>jm_: yep, I'm currently reading the output :)
07:47<elesouef>It hangs on : poll([{fd=5, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI|POLLERR|POLLHUP}], 1, -1) = ? ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK (To be restarted)
07:47<elesouef>I'm not quite familiar with this one...
07:48<jm_>that means it's waiting in poll for something to come back from the socket I suppose
07:48<jm_>or select
07:48<bassie>elesouef. have you tried doing it from a client?
07:49<elesouef>bassie: using ldapsearch for example ? nope, but why getent is working ?
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07:50<bassie>i presume you are doing 'id' on the server. try issuing it from a etch client. that way you know if it is the distro/configuretion and so on
07:51<elesouef>bassie: id works from a etch working client.
07:51<bassie>have you upgraded an etch to a lenny (also different client)
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07:52<elesouef>bassie: not for the moment.
07:52<elesouef>bassie: can it be a ssl/gnutls issue ?
07:52<bassie>don't think so becouse getent works
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07:52<bassie>but i'm not an ldap expert
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07:55<elesouef>I think I have to see if id and getent issue the same query.
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07:57<jm_>it's not the same thing
07:58<elesouef>jm_: there we have something to investigate ;)
08:00<jm_>elesouef: you should see some query stuff in strace (might need options to see it all, i.e. -s 8192)
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08:03<jm_>I would imagine id is along the lines of getpwuid()/getpwnam(), and getent is getpwent() (for passwd database anyway)
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08:06<elesouef>jm_: ok, understood. I search for that.
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08:07<jm_>elesouef: you won't see this in strace output, ltrace would show it though
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08:09<jm_>yup id calls getpwuid
08:09<jm_>and the other one getpwent
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08:13<elesouef>jm_: how do you understand that result ?
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08:16<jm_>elesouef: what do you mean?
08:19<elesouef>jm_: I don't understand why getpwent works whereas getpwuid doesn't. They both use nss which, for me, is working well.
08:20<jm_>elesouef: well the deal is with LDAP it would send some sort of LDAP query (or whatever it's called) to LDAP server, and that's what you need to look at - what is being send and received back
08:21<elesouef>ok, I turn tls off and start tcpdump.
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08:25<CQ>what's the best way to debug a not working IPTV ? There's a multicast problem somewhere, but I don't know how to track it down...
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08:28<debam>hi to all ,my xserver is getting crashed with error as I830WaitRing() ,timeout for 2 seconds ...ring end space: 12 wanted 32 fatal server lockup
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08:29<touch>good moornig
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08:31<bony>how to check which video driver is running in debian sid?
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08:35<bassie>hold on bony
08:35<bony>bassie, ok
08:35<jm_>bony: check your x logfile
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08:35<bony>jm_, in which section should i check?
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08:36<jm_>bony: grep _drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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08:37<bony>jm_, ok it says that and are loaded. thanks for the help. I was wonder the way my graphic system is work.
08:38<bony>i have been using debian for past 5 years and in all these year leaving last 2 years
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08:43<bony>i used to get desired results by changing xorg.conf
08:43<bony>like changing the driver section to intel (if i have a intel video card) would give me the results.
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08:44<bony>i wanted to know that is the same thing there even now or should we have to change other files in order to get the results?
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08:44<jm_>bony: same thing, but it's usually not needed so it's mostly empty
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08:44<bony>i did not follow up the developments after xrandr was adopted
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08:44<bony>jm_, ok
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08:45<bony>jm_, so you mean all the settings are done automatically now?
08:45<jm_>bony: yup
08:45<bony>and if a user wants to change the setting he can still go to xorg.conf and do the required changes?
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08:46<jm_>yes, but they have to edit it manually
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08:47<bony>yeah ofcourse thay have to manual do the changes
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08:49<bony>i have a desktop which has a intel Express Integrated Graphics Controller rev 2 (according to lspci) when i check glxinfo | direct i get a message saying that (Failed to initialize GEM. Falling back to classic) what dose that mean and how to fix it? can you give me some pointer were i can study more on it?
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08:50<bony>i googled out for it but didn't get relevant info
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08:51<epinux>hi All
08:51<epinux>i'm a new debian user
08:51<jm_>bony: GEM is a new thing which requires very up-to-date kernel
08:51<ml|_>epinux: congrats
08:52<epinux>i've installed debian lenny 5001 on a macbook pro 2.2
08:52<epinux>can you help me to setup my hardware ?
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08:52<dpkg>The MacBook Pro is a laptop series produced by Apple, succeeding the PowerBook G4. . See also <laptop>.
08:52<epinux>i'm reading an how to page ... but it not so simply :-/
08:52<gsimmons>epinux: ^^^^
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08:53<stevem_>Lo, when making an apt repo... do I -need- a base name?
08:53<epinux>gsimmons, yes i'm on that page
08:53<epinux>but i've some problems to go ahead
08:53<stevem_>e.g. deb main
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08:53<stevem_>no lenny, or etch, or sarge etc
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08:54<bony>jm_, ok so you mean i need to update my kernel? i have 2.6.26-1686
08:54<stevem_>I just wanna dumb .deb files there that will work on anything
08:54<themill>stevem_: there's not really such thing as a deb that will work on anything...
08:54<epinux>my problem is to enable video driver and wifi
08:55<jm_>bony: no, don't do it yet, it's still a new feature and there are bugs, so I recommend you stick with what you have working now
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08:55<stevem_>themill, well this'll be a private repo just for me... gonna put stuff like crossover, cedega, win4lin, fluendo etc etc - all the stuff I've paid for on it... they generally just work on any ubuntu and debian
08:55<epinux>some of the aptitude/apt-get instruction don't works on my distro, for the wifi i've downloaded the madwifi source code
08:56<themill>stevem_: ahh -- yes, you need to have a release name in the deb line, but you could make up something if you really want.
08:56<bony>jm_, ok thanks for all the help. I will stick with what i have now. I had few very bad experiences with debian sid when i tried to change things in it. I will wait till this feature is updated in the coming kernels.
08:56<gsimmons>!tell epinux -about doesn't work
08:56<epinux>but tring to install it, it ask me for the kernel source. uname -r give me : 2.6.26-2-amd64
08:57<stevem_>themill, well on the apt server side... I notice theres no dir for the release name
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08:57<bony>jm_, but to say debian sid if it works it works like a charm there are few examples of how stable it can be like i have a home server that has been running since 3 years with our restart. and the uptime was well 100%
08:57<bony>debain rocks
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08:58*themill offers bony another buggy, unsupported kernel
08:58*epinux ... knows that who don't works ... is epinux ... no its linux
08:58<themill>stevem_: use a tool like reprepro to set up your repo, it will manage all that stuff for you
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08:58<themill>dpkg: tell stevem_ about reprepro
08:58<stevem_>themill, then I tell it that all my stuff is in the same 'category' / release name
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08:59<gsimmons>epinux: Use the Debian packages. You'll need to reference non-free sources within your /etc/apt/sources.list file, in order to acquire the fglrx and madwifi packages (/msg dpkg non-free sources).
08:59*bony accepts with pleasure and puts the new hot buggy kernel in sandbox for testing :)
09:00<themill>stevem_: if you think that's going to work out, then yes. Because a repo uses a pool structure, there's no extra disk space required to separate out things by release instead and include cxoffice*.deb in etch, lenny, squeeze, sid, etc
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09:03<epinux>actually these is my sources.list how to update it with nn free packages ?
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09:08<themill>dpkg: tell epinux about non-free sources
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09:10<epinux>i find these, mybe it can help me : i'll try to add the lenny repository
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09:14<epinux>i added the non free package, then i applied the apt-get lines from the wiki page, but it can't find the packages :-(
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09:16<gsimmons>!tell epinux -about localized errors
09:16<gsimmons>epinux: Pastebin your revised sources.list.
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09:21<HamishB>hi, is there a channel dedicated to (wireless) networking advice or is this it?
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09:23<ml|_>!tell HamishB -about wireless
09:23<gsimmons>epinux: You need to append "contrib non-free" for the two main Debian mirror lines, e.g.
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09:25<cryingtux> what package is needed to be installed on lenny so that it adds various linux storage and windows fat32+ntfs partitions automatically to fstab than by manually adding them??? ( like many other distros who adds these automatically in live session and during installation )?
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09:26<epinux>gsimmons, cool!!! it downloads :-) , thanks!!!
09:27<HamishB>cryingtux: fuse-utils
09:27<epinux>i'll reboot and see if i will able to connect without a cable ... :-)
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09:28<Tweaker>Hi, I made a big mistake, "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" but sdb is not the good device, it's the hdd with critical data, usb device is sdc, now I get a FAT16 partition instead of 2 ext3 partitions. I don't know if I can recover data...
09:28<HamishB>cryingtux: and of course ntfs-3g
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09:29<OdyX>Tweaker: that, for a big mistake, is a BIG mistake…
09:29<locklace>Tweaker: you're screwed.
09:29<OdyX>I would try to find a geek to see this IRL
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09:29<cryingtux>HamishB: i have ntfs-3g installed. im able to add windows/linux storage partitions manually but wanted to know what packages does it automatically:} will now install fuse-utils to see what happens
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09:30<OdyX>Tweaker: First and before all, make a dd copy of your disk to an image…
09:31<Tweaker>OdyX, I think I can not, the disk size is 250 GB and I don't have another bigger disk
09:31<Tweaker>maybe is there a way to compress the image
09:32<HamishB>cryingtux: oh, edit /etc/fstab and put like /dev/hdb2 /mnt/windows_c ... then importantly for the mount type use fusefs not the old 'ntfs' as that one is only safe for read only. see the man page for mount (I don't have the exact line in my head)
09:32<cryingtux>hmm fuse-utils are already installed : why then debian wont auto add windows partitions into fstab?
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09:32<OdyX>Check if your data is valuable enough. It may be worth the money to buy a new disk…
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09:33<HamishB>cryingtux: oh, you want a GUI front end to edit fstab. I'm sure there is one in gnome or whatever, I've always done it by hand. seemed safer that way.
09:34<Tweaker>OdyX, it's personal data, family photos, the value is sentimental
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09:35<OdyX>Tweaker: yeah... a 250Gb USB disk is more or less 100 €
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09:35<HamishB>Tweaker: that's officially valuable enough to buy a new disk >=250gb
09:35<OdyX>Tweaker: Go to local store and buy a 500G ;)
09:36<Tweaker>hehe, ok I will do that, thx :)
09:36<cryingtux>HamishB: im trying to know what is that "magical" package in many distros which automatically detects and adds windows/linux data partitions into fstab both as live and installed system and which is not there in debian ?
09:36<ranix>and keep the old disk in a drawer
09:36<ranix>just in case
09:36<Tweaker>but before I check an old disk where maybe I run rsync some month ago
09:37<HamishB>cryingtux: no idea. debian-installler?
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09:38<cryingtux>dont know either, only debian team would know
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09:38<boya>hello every
09:38<boya>any body home?
09:38<OdyX>I'm home.
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09:38<boya>this is my first time here
09:38<cryingtux>may be djc or ranix would know
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09:39<aspin>is boinc available for etch these days?
09:39<OdyX>aspin: etch is oldstable, you know ?
09:39<aspin>via apt-get that is, I tried and it told me no such package
09:39<boya>i want to know this xchat is for what ?
09:39<boya>sorry for this question
09:39<OdyX>boya: this is a channel to get support on Debian.
09:39<aspin>I am running plesk and lenny is not recommended yet
09:40<boya>o ,thx
09:40<OdyX>aspin: <- boinc-client is available !
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09:40<boya>i am a Chinese ,and my English is very poor
09:40<OdyX>boya: I think we have nationalities from everywhere around the world…
09:41<boya>so could i find a Chinese one like there?
09:41<OdyX>with very poor englishes ;)
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09:41<aspin>do I need to add something to the package lists, says no such package?
09:41<OdyX>!tell boya about cn
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09:41<OdyX>aspin: did you try with "boinc-client"
09:42<aspin>no, will try that
09:42<OdyX>aspin: and try aptitude alone…
09:42<OdyX>(# aptitude)
09:42<HamishB>Can't find any joy on the WiFi wiki page. What I would like to know is how to have it sleep 30 && automatically come back up after it loses connection with the access point. currently I have to sudo ifdown wlan0 then ifup wlan0 to make it happen every time the signal goes weak. but that's a pain.
09:42<aspin>is that all of the boinc program though?
09:42<OdyX>aspin: yes.
09:42<aspin>ok, thanks
09:42<dpkg>i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
09:43<aspin>got it, thanks :)
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09:44<boya>i see Mr. 0dyX is very busy here
09:44<aspin>cd boinc-client
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09:45<aspin>thought I was in a shell lol
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09:51<Bleupomme>Hello. I have a problem on one server. There are 2E6 files in /var/log/. ls takes ages. How can I safely remove the uneeded files
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09:57<sarrafocapoeira>I'm installing debian on a pen drive, following this tutorial
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09:58<themill>that's not a bad effort! You'll probably only want to remove the oldest of the gz backup files. Try using find to get a list of them and if that's acceptable, use its -delete option to remove them.
09:58<themill>Bleupomme: ^^
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09:58<sarrafocapoeira>so that in time of the boot, he returns this message Could not find ramdisk image .. / initrd
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10:02<Bleupomme>themill: ok thx
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10:04<themill>Bleupomme: something like: "find /var/log -regex '.*\.....\.gz'" will find all the files with 4 numbers in their filename. Once you've cut it down to a smaller number, you can tidy by hand more easily. And you might like to fix up your logrotate config so it doesn't happen again.
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10:14<manuel>i installed the fglrx driver and i get the error no shader 1.2 and so i can't play the most wine and native games
10:14<manuel>how can i fix this
10:14<manuel>thx a lot
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10:23<brunner>Would it be possible to mount / on a RAM disk and somehow stream the changes to the hard drive?
10:24<brunner>in other words, when the system boots up, it would copy / to a RAM disk and the kernel would run from there. When changes are made to the RAM disk, they would be made to the hard drive after-the-fact
10:24<brunner>petern: performance
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10:25<petern>disks are already cached into ram
10:25<brunner>and because RAM is almost free these days
10:25<petern>(when accessed)
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10:26<brunner>I think it would be faster to preemptively push everything to the RAM in the first place, wouldn't it?
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10:28<themill>Are we back here again?
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10:32<microm-78>hi, freiends
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10:36<Razique>hi all
10:36<Razique>hi jm_
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10:36<Razique>My issue tiday is a stupid question
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10:36<Razique>I've deployed HaProxy
10:36<Razique>in order to have load balancing
10:37<Razique>but how do I duplicate content ?
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10:37<Razique>I mean do I need to deploy files both times ?
10:37<Razique>beacause there are two server
10:38<stevem_>How do I list the packages in my repo using repreopro? All I can see is ways of doing selected searches, I just want a big list.
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10:39<valdyn>brunner: you might want the preload package
10:39<valdyn>brunner: but your idea is silly
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10:44<Guest1475>Razique: remotely mount the files from one location?
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10:45<Razique>Guest1475 : so that means I need another server : the file server ?
10:46<zedboy>Razique: this only makes sense depending on your load needs.
10:46<zedboy>Razique: but assuming you have either a small enough amount of content that it will really be cached in ram of both machines, or your pages are processor-intensive, just let one machine serve the files to the other
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10:47<Razique>ok thanks
10:47<Razique>that's what I thought :)
10:47<Razique>and now, how goes failover ?
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10:47<zedboy>Razique: hmm good point.
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10:48<zedboy>Razique: so better to use rsync to keep server 2's copy of server 1 up to date
10:48<Razique>Hi AlbanelC :)
10:48<Razique>zedboy : that's what I thought also :D
10:48<Razique>I've writen a script which put the content every day
10:49<Razique>but I thought I was not doing the right way
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10:50<Razique>hi :-)
10:50<lenny>hi all
10:50<AlbanelC>I'm trying to set a master DNS. (long story short : I had a master, and some slaves, master died. I use a new master with the same /etc/bind and it doesn't work anymore).
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10:50<Guest1629>how do i upgrade lenny 5.0 to lenny 5.0.1
10:50<cryingtux>i guess time to repeat my question
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10:50<Razique>AlbanelC what do you mean ?
10:50<Guest1629>i have used the followed commands, apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade
10:51<AlbanelC>What do I need to do this ? AFAIK, I only need to list my slaves ips in allow-query and allow-transfer, is that right ? Do I need something else ?
10:51<Razique>Guest1629 : you can do it through aptitude
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10:51<cryingtux> what package is needed to be installed on lenny so that it adds various linux storage and windows fat32+ntfs partitions automatically to fstab than by manually adding them??? ( like many other distros who adds these automatically in live session and during installation )?
10:51<Guest1629>are the above 2 commands sufficient ?
10:51<AlbanelC>The slave have all type slave; masters {myip]
10:51<Razique>Guest1629 : yes
10:52<Razique>well apt-get is deprecated
10:52<Razique>user aptitude update
10:52<Razique>then aptitude upgrade
10:52<cryingtux>are you there?
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11:02<themill>Guest1629: you will probably need to aptitude full-upgrade rather than just upgrade to get the new kernel
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11:03<Guest1629>what command should i use ?
11:03<themill>aptitude full-upgrade
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11:04<Guest1629>themill | apt-get update and apt-get upgrade are the commands i am using at present
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11:05<themill>yes... and they won't install the new kernel package.
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11:06<Guest1629>themill | ok, should i take any precautionary steps before upgrading
11:06<themill>Guest1629: you'll have a new kernel which can take a large amount of disk space -- you might like to make sure you've got enough disk space for it
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11:07<Guest1629>themill | i have almost 30 GB space
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11:13<Razique>Guest1629 : why is there a pipe everytime you write ? :^=)
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11:13<Razique>ah my mistake, get it, I use to put points that's all
11:13<Guest1629>Razique, i am addressing him directly to him
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11:15<hans>is there no firefox packkage in debian 5.0 or am i missing something ?
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11:15<petemc>hans: its called iceweasel
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11:16<Razique>and it's not as heavy as Firefox
11:17<petemc>its the same thing, different name
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11:17<themill>Razique: umm... the different logo doesn't change that
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11:17<Razique>Firefox on my Mac is slow
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11:17<hans>petemc:thanks, i found it
11:17<Razique>Iceweasel is not
11:18<bja>I'm looking for a 16 bit image editing program. I was thinking of cinepaint but it doesn't seem to be on the normal repository, anyone can help??
11:18<Razique>anyway, it's not the place here ;)
11:18<mike>Hi! I want to change locale only for current session in MC. What cmd parameters I should use?
11:19<hans>petemc:does iceweasel accept the plugings for firefox ?
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11:19<zedboy>Razique: uh, shouldn't be any diff
11:19<Razique>zedboy : i know it's the same code
11:19<Razique>I know the hole story
11:19<hans>petemc: yes for me ?
11:20<hans>good, thanks again
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11:22<hans>does someone have experience with apt-cacher-ng ?
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11:23<Razique>well zedboy : maybe there could have been some issues regarding the user-agent I guess
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11:24<Razique>for instance, with iceweasel, there are some issues on this website
11:25<Razique>If you tweak iceaweasel's user agent, the website works better
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11:26<themill>!iceweasel user-agent
11:26<dpkg>Iceweasel's user-agent is not Firefox. To fix sites or plugins that don't work: (1) smack the authors (2) go to about:config and change general.useragent.extra.firefox to Firefox/<version>. Even easier is the "User-Agent Switcher" extension. Remember to switch it back afterwards though, or no-one will bother to fix their broken websites. See
11:27<Razique>yes thanks for this reminder
11:27<Razique>it's important for new debian users
11:27<Razique>if their hotmail account cause'em trouble :)
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11:29<themill>step (1) is the most important of those
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11:31<OdyX>hans: it "just works" for me.
11:31<hans>OdyX: what works ?
11:32<OdyX>apt-cacher-ng as you asked above…
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11:33<hh>hello everyone.
11:33<djc>!seen cryingtux
11:33<dpkg>cryingtux <~cryingtux@> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 41m ago, saying: 'are you there?'.
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11:34<hans>OdyX: for me too, now! my firewall was too restrictive
11:34<djc>ah well
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11:35<djc>to fix sites that use plugins when you just want to download/save the damn media its trying to force you to use a plugin for - go to 'addons', 'get addons'. search for 'unplug' and install
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11:35<Razique>bye all :-)
11:36<djc>Attention websites - dont tell me what software I have to use, don't try to check or install software on my browser and/or computer, just provide the data, and let *me* decide what tools to use to process it
11:36<hans>but is obviously too wide open now, because i get flooded with break-in attempts
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11:37<djc>btw unplug isnt perfect.. there are some horridly convoluted sites with hideous javascript that actually refuse to give you the URI to whatever media it is if your browser doesnt properly report that you have plugin "X"
11:37<djc>hans, define 'break in attempt'
11:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:38<hans>lol! the heck i will not define that
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11:38<djc>im just wondering what you consider to be a 'break-in attempt'
11:39<hans>an attempt to find an open port at my ip-address
11:40<djc>OMG! Call the police. I just tried to break in to your machine
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11:40<djc>tcp connection attempts are part of the background noise of the internet
11:40<hans>keep trying! it's a good test anyway
11:41<djc>the proper response, when the connection attempt is to a port for a service you dont run, is to simply return 'connection refused'
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11:41<hans>djc:i prefer to drop and log
11:42<hans>... without response
11:42<djc>which is the default behaviour of the tcp stack for most platforms, if there is no process actively listening to that port
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11:42<djc>waste of processor time to even listen to a port you dont offer a service on
11:42<OdyX>and disk space…
11:42<djc>well, the logging, sure
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11:43<djc>the most secure machine is one which listens on no ports
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11:43<djc>which generally means it isnt remotely accessible
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11:43<koollman>hahnp: why would you log it ? (or even drop it)
11:43<koollman>hmm. I meant hans
11:44<djc>but it isnt completely impossible to have a machine which listens to no ports yet still is accessible remotely
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11:44<djc>I'll leave how to accomplish that as an exercise for anyone paying attention
11:45<hans>djc, koollman : i see the point
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11:47<o-o_>ron: there is hardly any software without bugs...
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11:47<SARC>Hello can anybody help me with startup scripts (init.d)
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11:47<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>
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11:50<SARC>I have a problem with init.d; I'm running Debian version 5.0. When I try to do startup I get the following output it starts twice. I expected it to do start once.
11:51<djc>init.d isnt an application.. its a directory containing startup scripts for a variety of applications
11:51<djc>is there a specific application that isnt starting?
11:51<SARC>I know that.
11:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
11:51<SARC>I created my own program that I wish to run as a daemon.
11:51<SARC>I created the init.d script
11:51<djc>pastebin the script, its name and an ls -l /etc/init.d/
11:52<SARC>and used update-rc.d command defaults
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11:53<SARC>but it is starting twice
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11:53<djc>pastebin the script, its name and an ls -l /etc/init.d/
11:54<hans>SARC: what exactly is starting twice ?
11:55<SARC>the init.d script that i wrote is starting twice
11:55<SARC>rc2.d is loading it twice
11:55<SARC>i think
11:55<djc>pastebin the script, its name and an ls -l /etc/init.d/
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11:57<hans>this channel really brings me some fun, i like that
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11:57<SARC>djc .. let me download winscp and download the script just for your enjoyment
11:59<hans>SARC: do you mean upload ?
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12:00<hans>just kidding, don't care
12:00<djc>who needs to upload *or* download anything.
12:00<djc>just go t and copy/paste the script there
12:01<djc>or if you dont want to, then whatever
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12:01*djc boggles how "WinSCP" would be remotely involved in pastebinning a script
12:01<djc>even for someone using windows
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12:02<SARC>OK it is MyProgram ... i used
12:02<djc>anyway, the point was, you asked for help. I asked for more information in an attempt to help you.
12:02<hans>SARC: i see your name in red on the left side of xchat. what is that ?
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12:03<djc>SARC, you are calling 'start' from within 'start'
12:03<djc>I suspect you might have meant do_start
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12:03<SARC>i dont think so
12:03<SARC>start calls start
12:04<SARC>which does touch and start-stop-daemon
12:04<djc>oh.. was comparing to a stock script. nvm.. hang on
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12:04<mtc>heya - having trouble getting a dhcp address on startup 30% of the time, but when I run dhclient afterward it works fine...
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12:04<djc>if you add, near the beginning of the script:
12:04<djc>/bin/date >> /tmp/MyProgram.debug
12:05<mtc>daemon.log says that no IP address was offered
12:05<djc>see what happens
12:05<SARC>ok will do that now...
12:05<djc>mtc, a quick guess suggests either your dhcp server is acting up, and/or your NIC/net cable is
12:05<mtc>"No DHCPOFFERS received."
12:06<djc>see what wireshark shows
12:06<dpkg>network protocol analyzer formerly known as ethereal -
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12:06<mtc>djc: it is plenty likely that the router my ISP provided is not doing a great job responding
12:07<mtc>djc: but shouldn't a DHCP configured network profile keep trying to get an address?
12:07<djc>Ah. Well.. put a firewall (hardware device, not a piece of software) inbetween
12:07<djc>unless of course you are trying to use debian box as firewall ;)
12:07<hans>mtc: what brand is your router ?
12:07<djc>it will timeout eventually
12:07<mtc>djc: what is the point of trying once and then giving up on networking - not seen this issue with other distros
12:07<djc>it doesnt try forever
12:07<mtc>djc: it doesn't try more than once, does it?
12:08<djc>it possible the timeout and/or retries can be adjusted
12:08<djc>man dhclient
12:08<mtc>hans: Actiontec wireless access point :-}
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12:08<zedboy>mtc: i have seen evil interactions between dhcp servers and clients where a poorly implemented server fails to respond correctly to a valid request
12:09<zedboy>mtc: ahh, wireless, even flakier
12:09<mtc>djc: ah - I did not know this - that sounds like it would help tremendously!
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12:09<hans>mtc: sorry, no experience with wireless
12:09<djc>mtc, wait.. your wireless is the dhcp server? or just an AP?
12:09<mtc>this is not a wireless connection - this is an ethernet connection to a wireless access point
12:10<djc>if your AP is also a router, then *it* would be getting the dhcp from your ISP. and then
12:10<djc>Ohh.. its a client device?
12:10<SARC>djc: my tmp/MyProgram.debug shows two dates, one on each line, with the same date and time
12:10<mtc>wireless access points also have ethernet ports in them, right?
12:11<djc>well, if its also a switch, sure
12:11<djc>but if he's just using the switch to connect to the network which is also wired to ISP, then the AP is irrelevant
12:11<djc>if its an AP
12:11<mtc>right, so I have my desktop computer plugged into one of those ports - - actually, come to think of it, my wireless devices have problems getting dhcp addresses often, too
12:11<djc>but if its a bridge, where is ISP is wireless and this device 'signs on' to the
12:11<djc>o, that answers that
12:12<djc>is the AP just an AP, or is it also a router
12:12<mtc>djc: the "answer" is to configure retries. the "problem" is a flakey DHCP server
12:12<djc>eg, when you get an address, do you get an IP like 192.168.x.y from your AP/router, or do you get an IP from your ISP
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12:12<mtc>djc: the former
12:13<djc>ok, then your AP is your dhcp server, not your ISP
12:13<mtc>djc: my computers are all 192.168.1.x
12:13<mtc>djc: yes, sorry not to make that clear
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12:13<djc>SARC, hrm.. well that is strange
12:14<hans>mtc: can your wireless thing go through brick-walls or even concrete ?
12:14<SARC>we think so too, but this is the second box this has happened on
12:14<mtc>maybe there is something I can do to fix the DHCP server on the AP too -- well, anyway, thanks for your help
12:14<SARC>we duplicated this issue on another box
12:14<djc>SARC, from just one boot.. is it possible that one of them is from the stop call on shutdown?
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12:14<mtc>hans: not sure - not many of those around here :)
12:14<djc>SARC, maybe add "echo $* >> /tmp/MyrProgram.debug"
12:15<zedboy>hans: they for sure don't go thru rebarred concrete
12:15<SARC>should we also add echoes to each of the cases?
12:15<djc>sure why not
12:15<djc>be sure to use >> so it appends
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12:17<hans>zedboy: so it's impossible to reach from the cellar to to the barn in a modern house, right ?
12:17<mtc>djc: dhclient.conf shows how to configure the retries quite nicely - I think this should be enabled on debian installs - maybe will file a bug report on it
12:17<djc>your modern house has a barn?
12:18<djc>mtc, well, as man dhclient.conf suggests, it supposedly has a 'resonable' set of defaults
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12:18<hans>lol, not mine, i'm very happy with my wired network
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12:18<djc>mtc, I think the idea is not to force a user that knows there is no dhcp server to have to wait too long to get into the box to setup a static networking config ;)
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12:19<mtc>djc: ahhh... that makes sense
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12:19<ed_debian>I don't have spell checking in evolution because I don't have any dictionaries installed according to the settings stuff
12:19<djc>but obviously, if one has a balky dhcp server one uses regularly, you can adjust as needed
12:20<mtc>in my experience, however, DHCP server are generally flakey and do not respond dependably in high-traffic environments
12:20<ed_debian>What package should I install?
12:20<djc>id suggest searching for 'dict' in synaptic
12:20<ed_debian>djc, yeah I found a few but they didn't change anything
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12:20<ed_debian>Is there a specific one I need?
12:20<djc>you might also need to install aspell
12:21<djc>and/or ispell
12:21<ed_debian>djc, yeah that's the one I installed
12:21<djc>not sure how evolution does spellchecking
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12:21<ed_debian>djc, maybe I need to restart evolution
12:21<djc>worth a try I suppose
12:22<themill>judd info gnome-spell
12:22<judd>themill: gnome-spell (gnome): is optional; Version: 1.0.7-1; Size: 71.6k; Installed: 752k -- GNOME/Bonobo component for spell checking
12:22<ed_debian>djc, do you know how spellchecking work in general on the gnome desktop?
12:22<djc>themill, thpthpthpth
12:23<ed_debian>judd, I am trying gnome-spell
12:23<judd>ed_debian: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
12:23<djc>I would have beat you if I could have searced *within* the search results in synaptic
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12:23<djc>ed_debian, judd is a bot
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12:23<ed_debian>djc, how can you tell?
12:23<SARC>djc: it appears to be echoing start twice... so its starting twice
12:23<themill>djc: except I've been spending the last few minutes looking at what evolution depended and recommended
12:23<SARC>but how
12:24<ed_debian>djc, is he yours?
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12:24<djc>ed_debian, no
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12:24<themill>djc: btw stuff syanptic..... apt-cache search gnome spell
12:24<ed_debian>BTW gnome-spell did the trick :) thanks guys!
12:24<djc>themill, yes I had searched for 'evolution'. If I could have searching *within* that set of results for "spell" then I'd have found it
12:25<djc>I didnt know to look for gnome-spell
12:25<themill>ed_debian: if you have a look at the "suggested packages" for evolution, you'll find it listed there.
12:25<djc>actually.. if I could have searched within the list instead of scrolling and looking by hand
12:25<djc>its all good
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12:25<SARC>djc : the script is definately being called twice
12:26<ed_debian>djc, don't worry you were helpful lol
12:26<djc>SARC, well, perhaps the next step is to check the script thats calling it.. have it echo some debug lines
12:26<SARC>since the dates are printed twice
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12:26<djc>SARC, quick question, you dont have any spaces in the actual filename, do you?
12:26<SARC>djc: no we do not
12:26<djc>and you are certain you don't have a symlink by another name pointing at the script?
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12:27<SARC>djc: we didnt do anything other than what debian created automatically with update-rc.d
12:28<djc>ok, do this
12:28<djc>ls -l /etc/rc* | grep MyProgram
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12:29<lenny>hi all
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12:29<djc>I know we support lenny in here, but I never figured literally
12:30<djc>SARC, actually
12:30<SARC>there is a symlink in rc2.d that points to the script in init.d
12:30<djc>just the one?
12:30<djc>nothing anywhere else?
12:30<SARC>well there used to be others, K in rc0 and rc6 and S in rc3, rc4, and rc5 but we deleted them
12:31<djc>and the ls wouldnt have showed you where it was.. you could use
12:31<SARC>trying to troubleshoot on our own
12:31<Guest1640>i have upgraded lenny to 5.0.1, however the linux kernel version number : 2.6.26-1-686. is this correct ? and how do i view the version of lenny i am using currently ?
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12:31<djc>find /etc/rc* || grep MyPgoram
12:31<djc>find /etc/rc* | grep MyProgram
12:31<djc>Did you reboot after upgrading?
12:31<themill>Guest1640: did you aptitude full-upgrade? Did you reboot afterwards?
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12:31<djc>New kernel requires a reboot
12:32<SARC>rc2.d is the only one
12:32<djc>SARC, well wtf
12:32<k1lumin4t1>Hi there. I'd like to mirror this whole thing: locally. I tried using debmirror on it but it failed
12:32<k1lumin4t1>Any ideas?
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12:32<SARC>i didnt notice this behavior on Debian 4
12:32<SARC>but its been happening to me on clean installs of Debian 6
12:32<SARC>err 5
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12:36<djc>SARC, what is the name of the symlink?
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12:36<djc>in /etc/rc2
12:36<lenny_>themill, i did reboted the system
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12:37<djc>SARC, Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. I think you need help from someone with a bit more Debian-fu than I have
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12:37<lenny_>themill, the following lines are present in the sources.list : deb lenny/updates main contrib
12:37<lenny_>deb-src lenny/updates main contrib
12:37<lenny_>deb lenny/volatile main contrib
12:37<lenny_>deb-src lenny/volatile main contrib
12:37<lenny_>deb lenny/updates main contrib
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12:38<djc>you could completely remove it (save a copy somewhere else)
12:38<djc>then reboot, make sure it doesnt run at all
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12:38<themill>dpkg: tell lenny_ about paste
12:38<djc>then start again, and Id even use a different name.. just to be sure it was completely from scratch
12:38<natanael>i have a question about some filesystem things
12:39<djc>!tell natanael about asking
12:39<themill>lenny_: can you *pastebin* your sources.list and the output of this for me: apt-cache policy ; dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26\*
12:40<djc>im gonn a have to man apt-cache policy one of these days
12:40<natanael>i have a folder with many subfolders and want to find out, when there was the last change anywhere below this folder
12:40<djc>natanael, 'find' can probably do that
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12:41<djc>you'd need to specify a format that told it to display the last change as a epch-time at the beginning of the line.. then use sort -n
12:42<natanael>ah -printf specifies the format
12:44<natanael>but with find -printf "%A \n" i get only a list of %
12:44<djc>find -printf "%As " -print | sort -n
12:45<djc>thats access time
12:45<djc>not changed time
12:45<themill>lenny_: you have no actual mirrors available in your sources.list. You should have a mirror line for lenny in there and you can probably comment out the DVD line.
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12:45<themill>dpkg: tell lenny_ about mirrors
12:45<SARC>djc : i changed all of the capital letters to lowercase and it magically works now
12:45<SARC>go figure :-) heh
12:45<djc>find -printf "%Ts " -print | sort -n
12:45<djc>last modification time
12:46<djc>SARC, you've got to be kidding me
12:46<themill>lenny_: once you've added the mirror, aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
12:46<djc>SARC, I'd try to duplicate that. use another name with caps
12:46*SARC spanks the author of init.d rules
12:46<djc>if you can reproduce that, its definately some insane bug
12:46<SARC>i will try and report back
12:46<fxiny>he might like it :P
12:47<natanael>djc: thankyou
12:47<SARC>actually djc we have reproduced it
12:47<SARC>on a different machine
12:47<SARC>with a different name with caps in the name
12:47<djc>well.. Id do it again, on the same machine, with a completely different script
12:47<SARC>(different machine)
12:47<djc>with a completely different name with caps in it
12:48<djc>then rename it to all lower, if you get the exact same results.. something is seriously screwy
12:48<djc>dont even need to have it start any actual program or daemon.. just output 'started' and the timestamp
12:48<lenny_>themill, ok i will try to add mirror and report back to u after a couple of minutes
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12:54<SARC>djc we can confirm the bug
12:54<SARC>we did what you asked and it starts twice
12:55<SARC>capital letters cause init.d scripts to start twice
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13:00<djc>SARC, well, id suggest reporting tha at
13:00<djc>btw.. I have to ask.. why 'we' ?
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13:02<lenny_>themill, i have tried to manually add mirror of australia, but hen i run aptitude update it is howing the follwoing error :
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13:02<themill>lenny_: can you pastebin your sources.list and the entire output of "aptitude update"?
13:02<djc>".au." ?
13:02<djc>is that not australia?
13:02<themill>djc: that's fine
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13:03<djc>Oic.. I missed 'error'.. although he only pasted a URL, and apparently forgot the error ;)
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13:04<djc>ugh.. of course it requires php5
13:04<djc>or something
13:04<djc>i need to rebuild my server
13:04<djc>or rather, build a new one
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13:05<djc>It might just run debian instead of freebsd
13:05<djc>although possibly with a freebsd virtualbox
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13:06<themill>lenny_: did you read the error message that aptitude update gave you?
13:06<djc>ranix, debian is easier to upgrade.. but theres a few freebsd things I like
13:06<ranix>oh no! I got an error! -> full stop -> ask for help
13:06<themill>lenny_: "Malformed line 14 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list" would make me look at line 14 and work out what I'd done wrong. Note that the format of line 14 looks really different to the other lines.
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13:06<ranix>lenny_: bad dog
13:07<ranix>djc: we should talk about freebsd in #debian-offtopic
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13:07<ranix>I would like to know what it has
13:07<lenny_>themill, should i remove deb or add anyting extra ?
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13:07<themill>lenny_: "man 5 sources.list" for the correct format. You need to add the distribution (lenny) and components (main contrib non-free) to the line.
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13:11<lenny_>themill, so i should add stable main at the end of line 13 ?
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13:12<djc>not "stable"
13:12<djc>dont use the meta-tags.. becuase you may find they'll change out from under you sometime in the future
13:12<djc>also note that the rest of your file already has 'lenny'
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13:13<djc><themill> lenny_: "man 5 sources.list" for the correct format. You need to add the distribution (lenny) and components (main contrib non-free) to the line.
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13:13<djc>oops.. grabbed too much with the mouse
13:13<ranix>mouse! for shame
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13:23<lenny_>themill, i am receiving the following error, can u please look into into this
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13:24<themill>lenny_: you fail at writing source lines pretty badly. deb lenny main contrib non-free
13:25<fxiny>i am master of typos, so i spotted yours : *aptitute*
13:25<fxiny>te te te
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13:25<ranix>te te te
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13:26<wamty>Hello everyone, I am troubleshooting a CUPS issue again. certain cups devices are printing separator pages and I can't figure out why.
13:26<wamty>:( if anyone can help me, I would be very grateful
13:26<fxiny>ranix: heheh
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13:26<fxiny>lenny_: and : are you upgrading etch to lenny ?
13:27<lenny_>fxiny, no i am trying to my system from lenny 5.0 to lenny 5.0.5
13:27<themill>fxiny: his sources.list has a lenny dvd in it so I presume not
13:27<fxiny>themill: so why "full-upgrade" ?
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13:28<themill>fxiny: the kernel update requires that
13:28<fxiny>themill : touche' ;)
13:28<fxiny>ranix: copy that one :P
13:28<lenny_>themill, there were forward slashes in all other lines, and i have presumed that slashes are compulsory. thank u for the education
13:28<petern>didn't for me
13:29<themill>petern: 2.6.26-1 => 2.6.26-2 installs new packages hence requires full-upgrade not just safe-upgrade
13:30<petern>safe-upgrade pulled them in for me
13:30<ranix>fxiny: touché
13:31<ranix>sorry about that
13:31<fxiny>when distypgrading my LUKS i had to aptitude -R safe-upgrade cause of some borkism into the R zone
13:31<fxiny>ranix: no utf8 here , i like mrxvt
13:32<themill>petern: oh.. you're right... installs are now permitted in safe-upgrade. That's new with lenny over etch :)
13:32<ranix>I don't like rxvt
13:32<ranix>I'll keep my unicode
13:32<petern>themill, k... thought i was going mad for a second :)
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13:32<themill>petern: I thought you were too... until I reread the manual page ;)
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13:33<fxiny>so far i did 2 normal upgrades , 1 vserver and one LUKS : no problems at all
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13:33<fxiny>all mixed : dmm , bpo and volatile sources
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13:34<Guest1648>hi. since the latest sid update my X with GDM comes up, but when logging in, X quits for one reason or another and comes up again. Logging in again works.
13:34<Guest1648>This has been several times now.
13:35<Guest1648>Any idea what it is or how to write a clueful bug report about it?
13:35<bigeasy>what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
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13:37<Guest1648>bigeasy: the difference between .old and the current one (which works) is
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13:37<aspin>what would you recommened for a user friendly editor for a ssh session
13:38<Guest1648>something about some register changing and exaCopyDirty: Pending damage region empty!
13:38<kenyon>aspin: vi
13:38<aspin>vi is not user friendly enough for me :)
13:38<aspin>there was a nother I liked but cannot remember its name
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13:39<bja>pico emacs
13:39<aspin>thats it :)
13:39<aspin>thank you
13:39<wamty>Hello everyone, I am troubleshooting a CUPS issue again. certain cups devices are printing separator pages and I can't figure out why.
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13:39<fxiny>nano ? wt4x !
13:39<wamty>:( if anyone can help me, I would be very grateful
13:39<fxiny>i cannot use that *thing*
13:40<simonrvn>wamty: maybe your doc is? what about the printer conf at localhost:631 ?
13:40<bja>fxiny: didn't know about its existence until i came up to sarge where initially it was the predetermined editor.
13:41<bja>when my instalation broke, i used it to fix it
13:41<bja> After that i make sure vi is fully and perfectly installed
13:41<lenny_>themill, i was able to run aptitude update succesffully, but when i try to run aptitude full-upgrade, it is showig th error : bash: aptitute: command not found
13:41<fxiny>bja: i use vim emacs and jed , what's wrong with vim ?
13:42<Tweaker>OdyX, I bought an external hdd, but I doubt about the right dd command
13:42<petern>nano is... urgh
13:42<bja>fxiny: Nothing as a matter of fact its my editor of choice. I even have it linked to my mutt
13:42<themill>lenny_: check your spelling. read error messages carefully.
13:43<fxiny>bja: same here , but i am an emacs user
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13:43<fxiny>vim is far better for any confi editing
13:43<bja>fxiny: I tried emacs once but ... well it didn't work out.
13:44<fxiny>bja: my last addiction is lenny org-mode , great organizer
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13:45<bigeasy>Guest1648: can't find anything. the log file doesn't leave with an error, it just quits
13:45<aspin>thanks, nano was great
13:46<bja>fxiny: org-mode works on a tty over ssh??
13:47<OdyX>Tweaker: don't ping me…
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13:47<OdyX>Tweaker: read carefully dd manpage
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13:48<Tweaker>sorry OdyX
13:48<fxiny>bja: it works on a tty
13:48<OdyX>Tweaker: something in the lines of dd if=/dev/yourSourceDrive of=/mnt/yourNewDriveMounted/myBackup.img
13:48<fxiny>never tried
13:48<bja>fxiny: Do you know of a good emacs tutorial.
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13:49<Tweaker>yes I know this OdyX , I just doubt about this : Ihave to mount my source drive or not ?
13:49<fxiny>bja: it comes whith a good help , about tty ->
13:49<petern>definitely not
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13:49<OdyX>Tweaker: if you can mount it, you have no problem... In any case don't mount it read-write
13:50<OdyX>Tweaker: normally don't mount it
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13:50<Tweaker>ok thank you
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13:50<OdyX>Tweaker: but find a geek or an IT consultant if you want to be sure…
13:51<fxiny>bja: there is a video for org-mode
13:51<fxiny>bja: google for "org-mode video"
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13:51<Tweaker>hehe ok OdyX
13:53<bja>fxiny: I'm downloading right now emacs and the next in line is org-mode, most of the time i have problem trying to look at videos, therefore i just gave up :(
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13:55<fxiny>bja: yeahhh : a 2 hours org-mode video is too much :)
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13:56<bja>fxiny: Both programms are about 20 mb a two hour video, well i believe i don't like popcorn that much
13:56<bja>fxiny: I'll beging with the emacs tutorial and thene i'll scale to the org-mode one
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13:57<fxiny>bja: pull down the help
13:58<bja>fxiny: I'm looking at the differences between two files using diff -y but the column width is stuck at or arround 80 chars
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13:59<bja>fxiny: how do you do that :P
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14:00<fxiny>bja: when in emacs : M-x diff
14:00<fxiny>or M-x diff-mode
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14:08<fxiny>bja: ahhh : fmt . yoy want that
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14:11<maclinux>has anybody run into problem such as running latest debian cd, starts up, first couple lines ok and then says ready and just stops. Downloaded two cds, checked sum ok, but keeps happening. have old pentium III and new Toshiba porterge R600.
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14:14<Guest1648>bigeasy: thanks for looking though.
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14:16<bja> fxiny: i wrote "diff -y file_a file_b|fmt -250 " instead of getting what i excpected i got a concatenation of lines and something unreadable. :(
14:19<bja> fxiny: rediscovered the -W option of diff
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14:20*snubby nods
14:21<fxiny>bja: don't tell ranix i forgot diff -W ;)
14:21<fxiny>ranix: :)
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14:21<bja>fxiny: Only if you don't publish it anywhere else :)
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14:23<fxiny>bja: do you use only tty ?
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14:26<ranix>fxiny: I don't know diff well, actually
14:29<fxiny>ranix: i don't use it that much either . xdiff or emacs when things are not clear
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14:37<wamty>Each of the cups devices print a separator page. And I can't figure out where the setting is to control that.
14:38<wamty>At the end of each job, it prints a blank page.
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14:39<schlurchz>Anyone knows a good writeup of how to update an old xorg.conf? For example, which options are obsolete and/or replaced by automatic detection, and stuff like that... My xorg.conf has only slightly evolved since woody, and I'm pretty sure it could be cleaned up.
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14:41<schlurchz>I haven
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14:41<schlurchz>I haven't followed the xorg developments closely though, so I could need some advice
14:41<fxiny>schlurchz: is your monitor not detected ?
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14:44<schlurchz>fxiny: well, I don't know if any auto-detection is involved currently; it all works fine, I just want to update my config to the state of the art.
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14:45<locklace>schlurchz: iirc it ought to work fairly well with no config these days
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14:46<fxiny>schlurchz: same wiki . good quick explanations
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14:47<schlurchz>What about the debconf configuration? Is it obsolete?
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14:51<Spipe>chalut a tous
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14:51<schlurchz>By the way, my current graphics card doesn't support xrandr 1.2.
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14:53<petern>card, or drivers?
14:53<danger_>!beer danger_
14:53*dpkg pulls out a fine Bornem Tripple for danger_
14:53<valdyn>schlurchz: the "state of the art" is not having a config, but that doesnt work for all hardware
14:54<wamty>Each of the cups devices print a separator page. And I can't figure out where the setting is to control that.
14:54<wamty>At the end of each job, it prints a blank page.
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14:54<valdyn>wamty: http://localhost:631/
14:54<valdyn>wamty: or your printer config in your application
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14:56<schlurchz>valdyn: ok, I'll move my xorg.conf aside and see what breaks :-)
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14:57<valdyn>schlurchz: theres cases where drivers default to bad config ( intel driver ) in which case the "state of the art" will produce suboptimal results
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14:58<schlurchz>valdyn: "suboptimal"?
14:59<locklace>schlurchz: "video ram melts"
15:00<valdyn>schlurchz: hmm, "worse than possible"
15:00<schlurchz>have your pick :-)
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15:03*schlurchz tries without xorg.conf
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15:05<schlurchz>AFAICS, it basically works. Choses wrong keyboard layout, though (us/qwerty instead of de/qwertz)
15:05<Zenfur>hi, I need some help, how to change owner and group of file? (in console)
15:05<Zenfur>there was a funny command...
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15:05<schlurchz>Zenfur: chown
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15:06<schlurchz>What's the state of the art method to fix the keyboard layout?
15:07<ranix>take keys off, rearrange
15:07<ranix>alternately, use permanent black marker
15:08<schlurchz>ranix: suboptimal :-)
15:08<dpkg>dvorak is, like, for typing better than <qwerty> :P, or the coolest layout ever, or at, or <grub dvorak>
15:08<fxiny>state of the art works only on my IBM type M clone clipp&tic-tac keyboard
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15:09<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
15:10<schlurchz>Ok, so I basically have to retain my old XkbLayout option in an xorg.conf?
15:10<schlurchz>That doesn't sound like state of the art to me :-)
15:10<Zenfur>yay I done it! thank you again
15:11<schlurchz>Zenfur: np
15:11<ranix>09 < dpkg> To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To
15:11<petern>nah, just edit the registry
15:11<ranix>center clicked accidentally
15:12<locklace>schlurchz: if all you need in your x conf is a keyboard layout command, you're in pretty good shape.
15:13<simonrvn>ranix: lucky it didn't spew and have more in your clipboard ;). *kick* heh
15:14<schlurchz>locklace: ok. Of course I can live with that. :-) I just wonder how that fits to the claim, that state of the art is "no xorg.conf". Because not detecting the keyboard layout correctly would force most users to have a xorg.conf anyway.
15:14<simonrvn>schlurchz: uh, it works in most cases...
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15:15<schlurchz>How does it detect that? Is that a logic a user can understand?
15:16<simonrvn>i don't know, i'm not a dev, nor have i looked at it.
15:17<simonrvn>i just know it and other auto-detection work ok a good part of the time.
15:17<schlurchz>simonrvn: ok thx
15:18<Gathond>it broke in interesting ways here last tiem X updated
15:18<Gathond>english layout and every single non letter key stuck
15:18<Gathond>so once you pressed down alt ... well all keys where alt + something
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15:18<schlurchz>interesting indeed :-p
15:19<simonrvn>eh, i didn't say it was perfect ;). and it's still pretty new... nonetheless, it works purdy good.
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15:26<gutterpunk>Hi. I have a security problem. I'm trying to figure out how someone managed to install a c99shell php file in /home/ftp. The ftp user has /bin/false as it's shell. Any vhost on the server is locked by an openbasedir and cannot access this folder. This is an etch system. Any ideas?
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15:28<epinux>hi, i'm on debian lenny 64bit (macbook pro 15'' 2.2), i have some prpblems to configure my touchpad, i'm following these page : but the suggested line in xorg.conf do not works as aspected :-(
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15:28<epinux>i have no changes ... so i tried to use these guide (using .fdi file)
15:28<epinux> but seems that my system do not have appletouch running ... i'm without clue, can you help me ?
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15:30<epinux>i've succesfool enabled video card, and wifi, now the touchpad gived me a lot of work to do ... but withou luky
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15:33<locklace>gutterpunk: well, your question is basically "how did someone get unauthorised access to my system", and the only real answer is, "do a complete security audit"
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15:39<gutterpunk>locklace, an external audit (without system access) did not find any RFI vulnerabilities... But of course, that's not a complete audit. In any case, I'll look into it a bit further :) thanks
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15:47<Cadmium01>Can someone explain to me how ssh agent works and what I need to do to get it working?
15:47<Cadmium01>sing Debian Lenny here, with gnome and gnome-terminal
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15:53<Cadmium01>locklace, is it possible to use ssh-agent and have it remember my shell password instead of keys?
15:54<Cadmium01>In other words, I want ssh agent to remember the shell password I use when sshing, and not have to create private/public keys
15:56<locklace>that's a bad idea. you should reconsider your opposition to keys and come to the correct conclusion this time. ;)
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15:56<lancelot_of>i'm trying to update a deb package but i get error message pasted at:
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15:57<lancelot_of>please help me, i cannot understand what's happening
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15:58<Cadmium01>are there alternative programs that do same thing as ssh-agent? In Lenny for example I think something is already loaded
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15:58<locklace>lancelot_of: what do you get when you run /etc/init.d/acpid restart?
15:59<lancelot_of>locklace, * Stopping ACPI services... [ OK ]
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16:00<locklace>lancelot_of: just stopping? no starting? what does "echo $?" show if you run it right after the restart command?
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16:01<lancelot_of>locklace, 100
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16:03<lancelot_of>locklace, ehm, right after the restart command "echo $?" returns "1"
16:03<lancelot_of>locklace, sorry
16:03<spacepluk>hi, what is a good way to build sid packages from a squeeze installation? any tool I should know?
16:03<ike^>uhm, ok, i plug in my cell phone, select file transfer mode, so it acts as a usb stick ( thank god, newer phones dont do this :S) and it slowly but surely automouts and starts all audio files it finds, why?
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16:03<dondelelcaro>spacepluk: build them in a pbuilder chroot
16:03<locklace>lancelot_of: ok, so that means it's failing. so you can either debug that script, or tell the package command to ignore errors from the postinst script
16:04<locklace>ike^: probably something to do with hal, try killing it and see what happens then
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16:05<spacepluk>dondelelcaro: but with pbuilder I need an already created .dsc file... ?
16:05<dondelelcaro>spacepluk: you can use dpkg-source or pdebuild to generate them
16:05<lancelot_of>locklace, i don't know ho to debug the script...and how to tell package command to ignore errors..
16:05<spacepluk>dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll read about that :)
16:06<locklace>lancelot_of: don't know about the package command either, someone else here probably does
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16:06<dondelelcaro>spacepluk: pdebuild is part of the pbuilder package; dpkg-source is part of dpkg-dev, and you'll probably also want cowdancer
16:06<locklace>lancelot_of: but it's probably pretty easy to figure out why /etc/init.d/acpid restart is failing, those init scripts are usually very simple
16:06<ike^>ok thanks locklace
16:07<UnCetylene>Hi, this is a simple question that I can't seem to find the answer for. How does one access SELinux from CLI? I can't seem to find anything but how to install SELinux...
16:07<dondelelcaro>lancelot_of: do you have splashy installed?
16:07<lancelot_of>dondelelcaro, yes
16:07<lancelot_of>dondelelcaro, does it matter?
16:08<dondelelcaro>lancelot_of: it has a known bug that causes problems similar to what you're seeing
16:08<UnCetylene>i have to change some settings for a program installation but I can't seem to figure out where selinux is hiding its options from me
16:08<dondelelcaro>lancelot_of: see #524275
16:08<ike^>"system" could not be found. Perhaps it has recently been deleted.
16:08<ike^>a folder in the phone
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16:08<ike^>hrm, things with the usb bug is getting worse
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16:09<spacepluk>dondelelcaro: thanks :) I've just read the new maintainer's guide but I miss some deeper details, it servers it's purpose very good though :)
16:09<UnCetylene>could anyone give me a hand real quick?
16:09<spacepluk>dondelelcaro: s/servers/serves/
16:10<dondelelcaro>spacepluk: cool. If you get stuck, feel free to ask here or in #debian-mentors
16:10<schlurchz>Hmm, DRI is disabled when I try without my xorg.conf. Shouldn't the X server enable dri without the help of an xorg.conf?
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16:10<lancelot_of>dondelelcaro, where?
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16:11<curtis>does anyone here have emerald theme manager installed?
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16:12<ike^>anybody got any clues as to whats happening with the flash player and linux? i cant play video in full screen anymore
16:13<UnCetylene>thank you locklace, i will have a look
16:13<ike^>besides, the people making it should be dragged out to the streets and thrown rotten apples at... jesus, a little window in a stinkin browser uses 100% of the cpu
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16:14<ike^>curtis, whats the problem, please specify?
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16:15<ike^>curtis, you've installed fusion right?
16:15<curtis>in edit themes
16:15<ike^>just start fusion-icon then
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16:15<ike^>in the settings menu there should be a theme editor
16:15<curtis>well it workd
16:15<ike^>i dont use compiz daily but
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16:16<ike^>its a neat party trick
16:16<curtis>but what i need is the minimize and close effect
16:16<curtis>and maximize to be regular
16:16<curtis>they are not the same
16:16<curtis>as default
16:16<Cadmium01>How do I se screen program properly?
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16:16<Cadmium01>I use screen command and then close gnome terminal
16:16<Cadmium01>I connect to screen with screen -x
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16:17<Cadmium01>but cant get out of it without closing terminal
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16:17<locklace>Cadmium01: ^A d
16:17<llutz>Cadmium01: ctrl-a-d
16:17<llutz>detach a session
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16:18<Cadmium01>locklace, llutz thanks
16:18<lancelot_of>dondelelcaro, i've removed splashy and libsplashy(-dev) but the problemstill remains
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16:19<dondelelcaro>lancelot_of: you purged splashy, right?
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16:20<enouf>is usplash present?
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16:20<locklace>Cadmium01: and
16:21<cyril63>slt ts le monde
16:21<lancelot_of>dondelelcaro, apt-get remove splashy libsplashy1
16:22<cyril63>il a til des francais
16:22<dondelelcaro>lancelot_of: anyway, you can work around the problem temporarily by adding an exit 0 to the top of /etc/init.d/acpid (or whatever script is failing) and then remove it
16:23<matth>cyril63: le canal est anglophone
16:23<lancelot_of>dondelelcaro, fixed
16:23<lancelot_of>dondelelcaro, now maybe i can proceed to reinstall the new splashy release
16:23<cyril63>a ok
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16:24<cyril63>hello every body
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16:25<Maxim>Hi! I'm trying to set up a debian based LAMP. Though I'm having trouble getting the ***P part of it to work. It says the PHP5 module is loaded, and all seems well. But when trying to access http://serverip/test.php, it only asks me to save the file to the disk. Any hints on what I might be doing wrong?
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16:27<locklace>Maxim: i guess your apache config is such that it does not expect to execute .php files in that location (or at all)
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16:28<Maxim>Which conf. file might I need to look into, to sort that out?
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16:28<locklace>Maxim: i suppose it's probably called httpd.conf in /etc/apache or something equally obvious
16:29<Maxim>locklace: Well, I tried adding the LoadModule expression into that file, and when I then tried to restart apache, it said that the php5 module is already loaded.
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16:30<Maxim>looking into the /etc/apache2/mods-enabled folder, I find the php5.conf and php5.load files, where the php5.conf file is set to intercept the .php .phtml ++ extensions
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16:39<bja>fxiny: Sorry recieved a call had to leave running
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16:40<mart_n>I folks. Trying to arrange sound on my freed MacBook, I ran alsaconf as root. But then I lost the volume control, alsamixer won't start (outside of root environment) and I still have no sound.... Any clue?
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16:46<mart_n>I got this error msg trying to launch alsamixer : "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: "
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16:47<animus>hi! i have a problem with DNS resolv...i have just installed Debian Lenny (but i had the same problem with etch and not with ubuntu)... when i ping an IP it's the normal speed, but when i use a url it's very long
16:47<animus>my /etc/resolv.conf seem normal
16:48<animus>(domain home search home nameserver
16:48<animus>i can't locate the problem...
16:48<locklace>animus: what happens if you try a few different nameservers?
16:49<animus>mmh i try... (i need to find the good nameservers for me)
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16:50<eightyeight>is there an apt/dpkg command simmilar to this: i want to find what package provides a file, even if the package is not installed
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16:52<animus>locklace, should i do "/etc/init.d/networking restart" after changing the nameserver?
16:52<animus>now my network is "unreachable"
16:52<locklace>animus: shouldn't be necessary
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16:55<eightyeight>nm. found apt-file. that works
16:57<animus>mmhhh... i have to reboot to found a correct it normal that when i launch /etc/init.d/networking restart, my network doesn't seem to work anymore?
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16:59<locklace>animus: no
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17:00<animus>this is my /etc/network/interface file:
17:00<animus>auto lo
17:00<animus>iface lo inet loopback
17:00<locklace>animus: i'd just do "networking stop" and then try configuring your interface from scratch with ifconfig
17:00<animus>allow-hotplug eth0
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17:01<animus>iface eth0 inet dhcp
17:01<animus>mmmh ok i try locklace , but i'm not use to do this
17:02<locklace>animus: just "ifconfig eth0 inet 111.222.333.444 netmask up", "route add default 111.222.333.1", then you should be good
17:02<animus>the minimum information required are IP gateway?
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17:04<animus>route add defaut doesn't work SIOCADDRT: Aucun périphérique de ce type (in -bad- english: no devices of this name)
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17:06<locklace>animus: that's traditional unix syntax, check man to get it right for your system
17:06<animus>better translation: no such device
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17:07<locklace>maybe it needs "gw" or "via" before the address or something
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17:09<animus>it just works fine now!!
17:09<animus>the ping is very correct...
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17:10<animus>how could i save this config locklace ?
17:10<animus>(and thanks a lot for your help)
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17:11<locklace>animus: the system just does pretty much exactly what you just did, so it's just a matter of putting those same values in the correct options files used by the networking startup scripts
17:12<locklace>animus: i don't really know anything about debian, let me look
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17:12<locklace>animus: /etc/network/interfaces has the ifconfig parameters, also see man 5 interfaces
17:13<mart_n>I got a weird sound problem. When I run speaker-test in a root terminal, everything work fine. Then in a user terminal I got : ALSA lib pcm.c:2104:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/
17:13<mart_n>Playback open error: -2,Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
17:13<animus>i do! thank you!
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17:16<locklace>animus: i guess there's also some command called 'ifup' now that front-ends the processing for this file
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17:18<locklace>animus: i guess the way to add the route command is to put it into that same file prefixed by the word 'up'
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17:21<animus>locklace, i 'm searching for this file, thanks!
17:21<locklace>the file is /etc/network/interfaces
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17:21<bja>locklace: Following your conversation, I have an entirely different problem with one computer, i made a script which is runned after config but before the user logs in. And it does the same thing.
17:21<bja>locklace:which is the file you are talking about.
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17:22<locklace>bja: i have no idea what you're talking about, if you have a problem then feel free to ask the channel
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17:23<animus>...mmmh locklace, could it possibly be the /Etc/init.d/ifupdown file?
17:23<animus>it seems to be a -quite complex for me- script
17:24<bja>locklace: The problem with animus is more or less that the network card at first didn't catch or didn't configure properly. You asked (him/her) to reconfigure manually but you also told him to save this manual configuration on an up_something script
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17:25<bja>loclace: btw this automates the solution I implemented for an entirely different problem.
17:25<locklace>animus: no i don't suggest messing with those scripts, only the /etc/network/interfaces file (if needed)
17:25<locklace>bja: ok, well, you shouldn't take my advice in general since i don't know what the correct debian way of doing things is ;)
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17:26<locklace>animus: apparently you can put any ifconfig/route commands you need in there and they'll be used when the scripts execute 'ifup' during startup
17:26<bja>locklace: Believe me you struck gold on the answer above :o
17:27<locklace>bja: well, i've been a sys/netadmin for a couple of decades so that occasionally counts for something
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17:28<animus>thank you locklace!! It means that i can put exactly the same command as in the shell in /etc/networking/interfaces?
17:28<bja>locklace: Theres a saying in Spanish that should translate "More knows the devil due to age than to beeing the devil"
17:28<locklace>animus: yes but you should prefix it with the word 'up'
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17:29<locklace>animus: "man 5 interfaces" gives all the gory details on what you can do with this file
17:29<animus>ok thanks!!!
17:29<locklace>bja: that's a good saying
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17:30<Hydroxide>$ perl -e 'print "Yay! " x (1024*1024*1024*);'
17:30*Hydroxide smacks himself
17:30<Hydroxide>sorry, that was totally the wrong window
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17:31<locklace>wrong language too ;)
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17:31<mart_n>I got a weird sound problem. When I run speaker-test in a root terminal, everything work fine. Then in a user terminal I got : ALSA lib pcm.c:2104:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/
17:31<Hydroxide>ah ... :)
17:31<Hydroxide>it was in the context of a joke anyway.
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17:31<mart_n>Any clue why sound isn't working as user when it is as root?
17:32<locklace>mart_n: so do the permissions on that file or any of the directories in its path prevent the user from reading or getting to it?
17:32<mart_n>well in fact the file DOES NOT exist... but still as root it works without any messages
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17:33<locklace>mart_n: really? it should exist i think, i see it along with a bunch of other sound modules in that same directory
17:33<mart_n>I mean there is no /usr/lib/alsa-lib/ directory... I just don't know where to look for and where to tell to...
17:34<mart_n>AlKindi:/usr/lib# ls | grep alsa
17:34<locklace>mart_n: i'd venture to say that if you have no /usr/lib/alsa-lib then your alsa install is hosed
17:34<bja>mart_: "locate libasound..."
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17:34<mart_n>various outputs but none with modules
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17:35<mart_n>(thanks locklace by the way)
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17:35<mart_n>Only those two seem interresting : /usr/lib/; /usr/lib/
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17:35<dondelelcaro>mart_n: you don't have libasound2-plugins installed, then
17:36<dondelelcaro>mart_n: whatever you're using should depend on it, or at least recommend it
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17:37<mart_n>ok I installed libasound2-plugins, then the error message changed (good!)
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17:38<bja>mart_n: are you playing with JACK
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17:39<mart_n>...but now I got connection refused..
17:39<mart_n>bja, JACK? no. don't know what it is
17:39<mart_n>$ alsamixer
17:39<mart_n>*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused
17:39<locklace>bja: i've been playing with jack
17:40<locklace>bja: i gave up on the debian package and compiled it from source
17:40<dpkg>hello, d3co
17:40<locklace>mart_n: hmm. isn't there some issue or conflict between pulseaudio and alsa? i can never keep track of the state of the linux sound driver framework
17:40<bja>locklace: Well then I'm not the only one... I do need to learn how to compile properly :s
17:41<amphi>jack worked fine for me on lenny and current testing
17:41<mart_n>How do I settle this kind of conflict? with alsaconf?
17:41<locklace>bja: i'd definitely recommend doing it for jack, especially if you have an smp system. i think it was pretty easy to compile
17:42<locklace>mart_n: i actually don't know what pulseaudio is, so don't take my word for it. i've been using alsa however and it's been basically fine. i've never seen any pulseaudio stuff on my system
17:44<mart_n>since the error changed since i installed libasound2-plugins, maybe a reconnection will settle the conflict... never knows
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17:44<bja>mart_n: I had a problem some time ago between oss and alsa, then i decided to give up on alsa since oss was working flawlessly
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18:00<kozaq>how make for users limits to irc connect?
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18:02<locklace>kozaq: ip filtering
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18:02<kozaq>locklace: how?
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18:03<locklace>kozaq: ask a vague question, get a vague answer
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18:04<kozaq>locklace: how to limiting users connections to irc ?
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18:05<locklace>repeating a vague question doesn't make it any less vague ;)
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18:06<dpkg>i guess iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at or it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables ( for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read
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18:07<locklace>i wonder if iptables sucks any less than it used to
18:07<kozaq>dpkg -i iptables ;p
18:07<dpkg>package iptables ;p is already installed
18:07<fser>Hello, I'm really busy, so gonna try to read logs. I've been looking this, tryed the exploit, then upgraded my udev which is now ii udev 0.125-7+lenny1 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon but the exploit still works...
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18:09<kop>locklace: Use shorewall instead.
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18:10<locklace>fser: says you need to upgrade four packages, not just one
18:11<fser>I ran a whole upgrade on my lenny.
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18:11<locklace>kop: so really two questions i guess, does the backend kernel implementation suck less, and are there better userspace tools. i guess you're suggesting shorewall as an alternative userspace tool
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18:11<locklace>fser: so all four packages are at the new versions specified in the advisory?
18:11<bja>kop: I've been making a few iptables scripts, what's so compelling about shorewall, You are not the first one that mentions it?
18:11<kop>locklace : Right.k
18:12<locklace>kop: ok, will have a look. hope the answer to the first question is "yes"
18:12<kop>bja: It's the only thing that I know of that makes it unpainful.
18:12<locklace>pf for openbsd was fine
18:13<kop>bja : Normally I like to work with the low-level tools. (I love openbsd's pf.) But iptables are impossible to read and maintain.
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18:13<locklace>at the time pf was created, the linux iptables system was utter crap
18:13<locklace>so i'm really hoping things have gotten better since then
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18:13<locklace>kop: how does current netfilter compare to say openbsd kernel, and how does shorewall compare to pf in your view?
18:14<padski>locklace, I'm not familiar with the details of pf, can you be more specific about the faults in ipt
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18:14<locklace>padski: no. i don't even want to dredge up the memories.
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18:14<fser>look like ..
18:15<bja>kop: Never used pf looking it up right now
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18:16<locklace>fser: if you have verified that each of those four libraries is at the "resolved in" version listed in the advisory, then you should send a mail to the debian security list and ask what gives
18:16<fser>I don't have the four packages actualy
18:17<kop>locklace : I can't answser the first. As to the second, well, pf is like scripting whereas shorewall is higher level and feels a lot more like configuring. If that helps. Shorewall is a framework -- gotta put some things in place and then you act on them elsewhere. It's in lots of files which makes it harder, in some sense.
18:19<locklace>kop: ok. to be honest i think i'd prefer the pf style interface at least to start, since it's basically the same as configuring any router access list and there's just one command
18:19<locklace>but i suppose i'm probably screwed
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18:21<locklace>there has been talk of porting pf to linux but it probably hasn't gone anywhere
18:22<kop>locklace : I prefer pf. It's just got a feeling of power and control that you don't have with shorewall or anything else where you'll eventually have to decend back into iptables if you want to customize.
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18:22<kop>locklace : I think the internals are too different. I'd love pf on Linux.
18:23<bja>kop: Am I right? Pf is iptables + dansguardian on steroids? hehe
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18:26<locklace>kop: yeah, looking around it doesn't seem like things have changed that much in the linux world here. too bad
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18:26<kop>bja : Dunno about dansgardian. It's just a good low-level stateful packet filter. I don't like the way it does accounting though because it does not separate it from filtering.
18:26<kop>locklace : The backend must have improved. ?
18:27<locklace>it probably has, the ipchains stuff was truly horrible
18:28<locklace>i think openbsd people just care more about this kind of thing
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18:29<kop>locklace : There is carp in debian. Dunno how well it works.
18:29<locklace>what was funny was how fast theo wrote pf once he burned the bridges with the ipfw people
18:29<kop>locklace : I don't think it was theo. Maybe it was Hartmier?
18:29<locklace>it appeared like 7 hours after ipfw was banned
18:30<locklace>could be, istr theo being heavily involved, maybe that was just in the "pissing people off" part
18:30<kop>locklace : Or Hansteen?
18:30<animus>locklace... i finally found where my problem come from...the ping was very long because by default debian make dns resolv in ipv6, and after 2 failed resolv make the third one in ipv4...the solution was too blacklist ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
18:30<animus>and clean /etc/hosts
18:30<animus>thanks a lot for your help ;)
18:31<locklace>animus: weird. i ran into a problem too related to localhost, it wants to map to the v6 address by default
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18:35<bja>kop: i want to try openbsd any virtual machine you recomend to set it up?
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18:38<locklace>kvm ought to be fine
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18:44<bja> locklace: FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/module/...kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported
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18:45<bja>locklace: Module kvm_intel failed to load failed! (this one on red)
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18:46<locklace>ok. i haven't got around to trying to kvm yet, but that looks like a kernel problem, or a problem with your hw
18:46<locklace>do you have a cpu with intel vt?
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18:47<bja> I have a core2 duo it does have the vmx flag
18:47<karim>is there a way to respawn a daemon that died ?
18:48<locklace>bja: what do you get with "dmesg | grep kvm"
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18:48<locklace>karim: "yes"
18:49<bja>[28174.271872] kvm: disabled by bios
18:49<locklace>bja: your bios has disabled intel vt
18:49<locklace>for some reason some manufacturers have been pulling this stunt
18:49<locklace>it's highly irritating
18:49<locklace>(i.e. disabling it and not giving you a way to enable it)
18:50<locklace>however, perhaps in your case you can enable it in your bios settings
18:50<bja> I'll take a look at the bios to see if this can be enabled
18:50<locklace>what kind of board do you have?
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18:50<bja> Dell Precision M2400 Laptop
18:50<locklace>ok. not sure what dell's approach to vt is
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18:51<themill>vt works fine on my inspiron
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18:51<mtc>locklace: why would dell want to disable a chipset feature?
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18:51<locklace>themill: did you have to enable it in the bios?
18:51<locklace>mtc: don't know, but sony does it
18:52<locklace>mtc: and other mfrs too
18:52<UnCetylene>forgot i was in here..
18:52<themill>locklace: I think so...
18:52<mtc>sounds like a good reason to investigate the status of FreeBIOS
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18:52<locklace>themill: as long as they actually give you a *way* to enable it, that's fine
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18:52<bja> Ill take a look at the Bios see you later
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18:53<locklace>i had to use a bootleg bios flasher to fix up this sony
18:53<mtc>maybe it is a way they can sell more expensive computers with that feature enabled
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18:53<locklace>intel needs to sort it out
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18:53<locklace>amd doesn't allow their virtualization support to be disabled in the bios
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18:54<mtc>intel has that "trusted computing" DRM in dell and hp computers
18:55<mtc>which makes me a dyed in the wool AMD fan now
18:56<locklace>not to mention the whole idea of continuing to use a crappy architecture developed 30 years ago
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19:03<Rabbit>hi people
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19:04<sele>how i can automount the windows ptrition in to debian 5 ?
19:05<locklace>sele: add it to /etc/fstab
19:05<sele>the file system is ntfs...
19:06<Rabbit>who of you smart people can tell me if its possible to connect a mail client to exchange 2007 with my debian box without changing anything server side or using different protocol
19:06<locklace>hahaha, exchange
19:07<locklace>i don't envy you
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19:07<sele>i need a sulution like ubuntu that do this automatically
19:07<locklace>if it's set up to play nicely like a real smtp server, you can ignore the fact that it's exchange (until it breaks)
19:07<locklace>otherwise, good luck
19:07<locklace>sele: /etc/fstab
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19:08<themill>Rabbit: evolution exchange connector might help... If it has imap enabled, then it's easy.
19:08<sele>/dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp ntfs-3g ro,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
19:08<sele>i made this...
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19:08<sele>afrer reoot i get error
19:08<locklace>you don't have to reboot to test that, you know
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19:09<Rabbit>but i dont think it has imap enabled and i dont have administrator rights on the exchange server
19:09<bja>Ok I'm back Three ticks on the BIOS and it seems Virtualization for Intel Chipsets are all ok
19:10<locklace>Rabbit: if it talks some standard protocol like imap or pop you're in the clear, otherwise pain awaits
19:10<sele>You are not privileged to mount the volume 'windows_vista'.
19:10<locklace>bja: cool
19:11<Rabbit>Locklace: this is gonna suck isn't it
19:11<locklace>Rabbit: that's the definition of exchange
19:11<themill>Rabbit: most admins will be clever enough to enable IMAP.... but if not, then try the evolution-exchange package (night not work with exchange 2k7 though)
19:11<sele>do exist a program like in to ubuntu it automatically makes
19:11<Rabbit>I know if it was up to me the whole international company would be running linux for everything
19:12<locklace>sele: i don't understand that error, do you get it when you run the mount command as root?
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19:13<sele>no, as user
19:14<locklace>sele: well, obviously
19:14<locklace>sele: if you run the mount command as root, and it works, then having that line in /etc/fstab should also work
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19:14<Rabbit>themill: I tried setting up exchange with evolution that shipped with the lenny stable release. Is evolution-exchange different from this???
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19:15<bja> locklace: Can you please repaste the output of dmesg|grep kvm i posted a few minutes ago,
19:15<sele>ok, i have other solution Disk Manager :)
19:15<themill>Rabbit: evolution-exchange is a glue later that tries to talk to exchange. Read the package description for more details
19:16<locklace>[28174.271872] kvm: disabled by bios
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19:16<sele>thx locklace :)
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19:17<Rabbit>themill: thanks man, will try hopefully it works. otherwise will have to talk to a buddy in the data center division
19:17<Rabbit>to enable imap
19:17<bja> sele remember that in your fstab line where you want to mount the vista partition add the word user so anyone can mount that partition not only root
19:18<themill>Rabbit: exchange connector is a horrible hack... using imap (or pop) should be your first plan
19:18<jidm>hi. I just upgraded my desktop from lenny to squeeze. Everything went perfect, except for this issue. My mouse is not working any more. What can i do to recover it? It's a ps/2 one
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19:19<locklace>jidm: what does dmesg have to say about the mouse?
19:19<locklace>jidm: ie what's the status of the input driver
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19:20<locklace>jidm: does it fail at the console, in X, or both?
19:20<adama>jidm: try "cat /dev/input/mice" and move it around, does it print junk?
19:20<Rabbit>themill: which protocol would you suggest best Imap or pop???
19:20<locklace>Rabbit: they solve different problems
19:20<locklace>sort of
19:20<jidm>locklace: i didn't tried it. I have a dual boot win an debian, now in windows (i couldnt connect to my wifi without the mouse). Please give me 2 or 3 simple tips to look for, and i'll be back in a while
19:20<bja>locklace: Guess what it still is disabled by the Bios
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19:21<locklace>bja: strange. you're sure you flipped all the right bios bits?
19:21<themill>Rabbit: that depends on how you like to manage your mail. If you like to leave it on the server to be able to see it from different computers, then imap. If you only ever use one computer and want all your email on that machine only, then either is fine.
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19:21<jidm>locklace: the mouse pointer is shown at the desktop, but i am unable to move it
19:21<adama>jidm: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors also
19:21<bja>yes, but i'll take a second look to see if they were actually flipped or maybe i did something wrong see you in a few minutes.
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19:22<locklace>jidm: suggest looking at the kernel output (dmesg) to see what it says about the mouse. also start X and check your /var/log/Xorg.log to see what X has to say, and try adama's cat tirkc
19:22<Rabbit>true cause isn't exchange glorified imap. besides travel alot so i guess imap it is cause pop download the mail to the local machine (.Pst) correct?
19:23<locklace>Rabbit: it doesn't have to, but that's usually how it's used
19:23<jidm>locklace Thanks for those tips! Going to try them right now
19:24<Rabbit>I am talking in general. Thanks guys.
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19:25<locklace>not an auspicious entrance
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19:37<bja>locklace: It seems the last bit Truted Execution returned to unset, I moved another bit back and forward and it seems everything is fine "Loading kvm module kvm_intel" je je
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19:38<bja> locklace: Now what??
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19:39<themill>2) .... 3) profit!
19:39<bja>locklace: Just a joke
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19:44<jidm>hi its me again, the guy with nouse problems
19:44<jidm>i tried cat /dev/input/mice and moved the mouse, no ouput shown
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19:45<jidm>in dmesg i saw an entry where the device was mounted (i think)
19:46<jidm>not idea what more try
19:47<jidm>my problem again: i upgraded from lenny to squeeze. Everything perfect except for my mouse who is not working anymore
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19:50<bja>jidm: have you posted your xorg.conf somewhere
19:51<jidm>no, but the input device mouse exists in xorg.conf
19:51<bja>using which driver?
19:52<jidm>don't remember, i think the generic... it is the default package configuration
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19:53<bja> take a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf and take a look at the diferent "InputDevice" sections.
19:54<jidm>i will look for it. Anybody knows how to set the focus on the panel in gnome? It's not possible for me to connect to the wifi whitout my mouse :(
19:54<locklace>jidm: another thing you can try is installing gpm and seeing whether the mouse works with that at the console. if so then it's definitely an X issue, and you could try playing with the conf or reverting to some other x server version
19:55<jidm>locklace in a tty console?
19:55<jidm>can i try with aptitude for example?
19:56<jidm>nice tip! i'll try that!
19:56<bja>vague answear for a vague question ,
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19:57<bja> jidm: try iwconfig it will make the wireless extensions on your interfaces visible,
19:57<jidm>bja Yes and i appreciate your effort guys.
19:57<jidm>bja thanks
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19:59<bja>How do I make a blank "'disk_image' is a raw hard image image for IDE hard disk 0" ??
20:00<bja>for kvm
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20:06<bja>thank you I'am leaving need to catch some sleep
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20:25<jidm>hi, me again. Here is a pastebin of dmesg:
20:26<jidm>i tryed from aptitude in a tty, and the mouse is not shown. The same when i tried dpkg-reconfigre gdm
20:27<jidm>i don't think the problem is X, but just in case, here is the pastebin of my xorg.conf:
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20:28<jidm>My problem? I upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and now my mouse is dead
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20:35<locklace>jidm: you're getting some weird kernel warnings there, i'd try a different kernel
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20:35<jidm>@locklace which lines?
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20:38<simonval1ore>hello could some one help me im having issues with my grub giving me error 21
20:39<jidm>i have only 2 kernels on my machine, both were before upgrade, and both worked: 2.6.26-1 and 2.6.26-2. I tried both of them now, the problem persists on both
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20:43<jidm>gonna try some stuff.. thanks locklace
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20:44<mahton>Hey, anyone here feel like helping me with a USB flashstick install?
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20:49<supaman>hey, I just upgraded my unstable machine and now the sound doesn't work ... anyone want to help me find out what is going on?
20:50<supaman>its a soundblaster live
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20:54<Supaplex>sounds unstable
20:54<supaman>yup ... it is :)
20:55<mahton>Do you get no sound, or errors, or what...?
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20:55<supaman>no sound at all .. all the right modules seem to be loaded (lsmod | grep snd showed snd_emu10k1 and a bunch of related stuff)
20:56<supaman>I dont get sound as root either
20:56<supaman>everything was working perfectly before the upgrade
20:56<mahton>when you run speaker-test from the command line, does it show any error?
20:57<supaman>nope, .. it just runs normally
20:57<mahton>And, of course, you've checked that your mixers are set to reasonable volume?
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20:58<supaman>yeh, I just ran alsamixer (I dont know much about this mixer things, maby something got screwed up in there)
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20:59<supaman>dammit ... that was it ..
20:59<supaman>the PCM had been disabled by some weird reason
21:00<mahton>Ah, well, it's nice when it's easy! :)
21:00<l3x>upgrades can do that
21:00<supaman>damn silly upgrades :)
21:00<supaman>well ... thanks a bunch
21:00<mahton>Now, if only someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong with my USB flash install...
21:00<l3x>yea i have a problem of my own, my screen savers are slow
21:01<supaman>l3x: are they using opengl or something like that?
21:01<l3x>i never figured out flash drive installs :/
21:01<l3x>supaman, yea
21:02<l3x>supaman, i don't know what to install for opengl though
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21:02<mahton>l3x, what video card are you using?
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21:03<l3x>i have a nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX Go5100]
21:04<supaman>l3x: do you have mesa-utils installed?
21:04<l3x>supaman, how can i check an see sir
21:04<l3x>supaman, and*
21:04<supaman>l3x: try running glxgears
21:05<mahton>l3x, do you care about running non-free drivers?
21:05<supaman> for info on that implementation
21:05<l3x>mahton, lol i don't know what that is. i just moved from gentoo to debian
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21:06<supaman>if glxgears runs for you then you have mesa-utils installed (you can also check by issuing dpkg -s mesa-utils)
21:06<l3x>supaman, glxgears didn't work
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21:07<mahton>l3x, drivers provided by the hardware maker, without source code. Some people feel this is against the linux philosophy, but, they give you the performance you're looking for.
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21:07<l3x>mahton, o i see, is it considered free?
21:08<mahton>l3x, you may want to try installing nvidia-glx
21:08<mahton>l3x, it's free as in beer, no free as in speach.
21:08<supaman>l3x: try doing aptitude install xlibmesa-dri xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-glu mesa-utils libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx
21:08<l3x>mahton, lol
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21:09<mahton>good luck.
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21:10<supaman>im off too ... good luck with this
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21:11<l3x>does ne one know if i should restart after i do an install of mesa drivers?
21:12<Supaplex>can't hurt
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21:12<Supaplex>restarting X should do
21:13<l3x>oki doky
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21:19<l3x>ok, well it seems like installing the mesa utils didn't work
21:20<l3x>my screen savers are still slow
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21:22<philsf>about package pinning, is the 'origin' field the one I use to pin by URL?
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21:25<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
21:25<l3x>my screen saver says its gl
21:26<l3x> i have a nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX Go5100]
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21:29<lenny>hi all, good morning
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21:30<Guest1692>Just now i have upgraded the system using "aptitude upgrade"
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21:31<arkanabar>have a question about wget
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21:32<arkanabar>was trying to install the wine repo GPG key with this command:
21:33<arkanabar>wget -O - | apt-key add
21:33<arkanabar>and the konsole complained about a bad pipe and apt didn't enable the repo.
21:34<arkanabar>should it be wget -O - | apt-key add instead?
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21:49<fiuza>hi everyone...
21:50<fiuza>i need some help
21:51<blarson>!tell fiuza about ask
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21:53<fiuza>where can i make download of drive for web cam?
21:53<fiuza>my notebook is acer
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21:54<Maverick>hi there
21:55<fiuza>anyone knows?
21:55<Maverick>about what?
21:55<fiuza>where can i make download for webcam
21:55<fiuza>of notebook acer
21:55<Maverick>which brand is it?
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21:57<fiuza>acer crystal eye
21:57<fiuza>it's a cam of notebook
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21:59<fiuza>somebody here know where can i make download of some drives for notebook acer?
22:00<fiuza>adb - do you know?
22:00<fiuza>please someone help me
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22:14<arkanabar>anyone know how I can get apt or synaptic to pull wine from the lamaresh repos instead of debian?
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22:26<Silicium01>I need to buy a cheep laptop with webcam that will run Lenny and have no drievr problems, any pointers?
22:28<Silicium01>aardvarX, is that an asus product?
22:28<Silicium01>they are too small, I need something at least 14 inch wide
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22:29<aardvarX>there cheep though, & really nice
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22:30<Silicium01>screen is too small, it's no even as wide as the frame itself
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22:33<aardvarX>don't know too much about laptops, but you could try system 76 or dell
22:33<arkanabar>or search at
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22:34<Silicium01>arkanabar, I can search laptops, I just dont know which ones will not have any problems with drivers
22:35<aardvarX>system76's run linux exclusively
22:35<arkanabar>Silicium01: one almost never does. that's one reason I tell people the linux distro for them is the first one that detects all their hardware.
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23:49<cesurasean>can anyone tell me where I'd find a driver for Windows 2008 for Virtualbox's drivers?
23:50<cesurasean>a driver for ethernet
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23:56<simonrvn>cesurasean: i doubt one even exists. tried in #virtualbox on freenode?
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