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00:32<SuperMigue>Hello everyone =) i just installed debian 5 64bit in my xps1530 which has an nvidia 8600GT card in it. I purchased a dell 24" monitor i would like to extend my image whats do i need to do to accomplish this?
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00:41<aardvarX>SuperMigue, look into uRandR or xrandr
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00:43<tlipcon>hey all. Is there a way to get apt-cache to only search/list packages from a given apt source?
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00:44<arkanabar>you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the sources you want ignored with a # at the start of the line
00:44<tlipcon>arkanabar: yea... I meant a programatic way
00:44<aardvarX>or use synaptic
00:44<tlipcon>and a command-line way :)
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00:45<arkanabar>I'd asked about that elsewhere, and I couldn't get a good answer.
00:46<tlipcon>bet it can be done from perl... oh well, not worth it
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00:46<arkanabar>that might do it, found nothing of use at
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00:53<aardvarX>tlipcon, you could just list from the source path's pool directory
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01:01<tenzind>hi,, i have a very slow internet connection, but I have ssh account on a machine in the same network which is connected to some high speed line. Is there anyway using which i can access the faster connection??
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01:05<aardvarX>tenzind, iptables port fowarding might work
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01:06<aardvarX>you would have to set iptables on the fast machine though
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01:35<endy>hello everyone
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01:37<_Aonix>hey, is kdesktop still necessary in kde 4 debian unstable?
01:40<jm_>dependencies will reveal the answer to that
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01:41<endy>can anyone hack my puter in a visual way for me, or any other way? :-D
01:42<_Aonix>I just upgraded to kkde 4... but kkdesktop is missing
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01:44<jm_>well try asking in #debian-kde too
01:44<endy>ok, thanks
01:44<jm_>endy: that wasn't for you
01:45<endy>lol, i am new in irc and debian too, sorry, its a noob thing
01:45<jm_>what do you want to learn about endy?
01:45<endy>well, for a start, anything it could be recommended for a noob to learn
01:46<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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01:46<endy>i usually use backtrack and sometimes wifislax to hack wlans and get internet access, its cool and kind of easy, but nothing more linux related stuff
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01:55<endy>i have a question, what is the best codecpack/player for debian you guys recommend?
01:56<EmleyMoor>endy: I find mplayer and wxxcodecs (where xx is either 32 or 64) from dmm useful.
01:56<dpkg>methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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01:57<endy>thanks guys
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02:01<sep>endy, i use vlc and avoid the whole issue
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02:02<endy>does vlc come with codecs for mkv, avi, mpeg, mpeg2, divx, xvid, ogg, wmv, etc media formats you could easly install with klite-codecpack for windows?
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02:03<endy>i honestly dont like vlc for windows, therefore never install it, but i have no idea how it behaves on linux
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02:04<jm_>i use mplayer for windows instead
02:06<endy>me too, i usually install itunes, realplayer, cyberlink powerdvd, and klite codecpack full (which automatically installs mplayer classic) and i find no need for any other player/codec for my windows system
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02:46<lenny>hi all good afternoon
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02:47<Guest1721>i am trying to uninstall using the following command : apt-get --purge remove but the package has not been reemoved
02:47<Noodle>is it running?
02:48<jm_> is just a metapackage
02:48<Guest1721>is the above command is correct ?
02:49<sep>Guest1630, dpkg -la | grep openoffice
02:49<sep>then remove those
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02:51<Guest1721>can't i remove all the components at once ?
02:51<jm_>you have my permission
02:52<Noodle>he said can't as to ask if it's possible
02:52<Noodle>not may which would be asking permission
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02:52<aardvarX>try apt-get remove openoffice*
02:53<sep>Guest1630, list them all one after the other. or remove the core and base packages and the others shold go becouse of dependancies
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02:55<Guest1721>should i use apt-get clean to remove configuration files also ?
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02:55<jm_>you obviously never read what apt-get clean does
02:56<aardvarX>clean just removes the debs off your system
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02:57<Guest1721>so which command should i use to remove configuration files also ?
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02:58<dpkg>rumour has it, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files.
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03:32<Ikarus>hrm, anyone know where the glibc info pages are I can't find them even in non-free
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03:33<jm_>!find info/libc-info
03:33<jm_>glibc-doc-reference package
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03:33<jm_>but no, not anyone knows
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03:34<Ikarus>Hrm, not on my system, let's see what is wrong with the repisotry
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03:35<hans>hello, everybody
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03:37<hans>debian 5.0 iptables : everthing i log is echoed to the console, too. How can i disable this "feature" ?
03:37<jm_>!printk console
03:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources.
03:39<hans>jm_, dpkg: thank you
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03:41<hans>pppd ip-pre-up & ip-up : how can i undo the redirection of stdout and stderr to /dev/null ?
03:41<jm_>what do you mean?
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03:42<hans>i want to echo to the console for debugging
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03:43<jm_>just redirect stdout and stderr to a file in your script
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03:47<hans>jm_: but i want to see the msg immediately when the script is still running, not some time later
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03:47<hans>isn't that possible ?
03:49<jm_>hans: yes, you can see it immediately when it's logged
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03:53<hans>sorry, that's beyond me. what am i missing ?
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03:56<hans>jm_: i don't understand, i write to a file and see that immediately ?
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03:59<hans>jm_: now i got it. this ip-up redirection has nothing to do with the iptables question
03:59<jm_>hans: yes indeed, you just do this in a script: 'exec >> /tmp/myfile; exec 2>&1'
04:00<hans>jm_: thank you!
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04:03<jm_>no worries
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04:27<ga_bash>hi. .how do i install ssh server..?
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04:29<llutz>apt-get install openssh-server
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04:31<tool>is there anyone here with hard drive knowledge?
04:32<tool>anyone here?
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04:32<OdyX>I only have soft driving knowledge.
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04:38<tool_>anyone here?
04:38*simonrvn tries to resist making the obvious (bad) joke
04:38<simonrvn>just us monkeys
04:38<tool_>k,... do you know anything about hard drives?
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04:39<ga_bash>llutz, thank you..
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04:39<simonrvn>this isn't a chat room, it's an irc channel. rather big difference.
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04:40<simonrvn>tool_: what's the real question?
04:40<ga_bash>llutz, can i log in domain through ssh -l <myname> <>
04:40<tool_>can't mount my usb hard drive
04:40<llutz>ga_bash: sure, ask the admin of that site for a ssh-account :)
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04:41<ga_bash>llutz, i am trying to login into a remote server then i am getting an error msg or probably a warning msg
04:42<simonrvn>tool_: modprobe scsi_mod and usb-storage and maybe install usbmount, or add an entry to fstab.
04:42<ga_bash>llutz, how do i log out.. of the remote server ? :)
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04:42<llutz>ga_bash: there are lots of ssh-tutorials, just google for one
04:42<llutz>ga_bash: ctrl-d
04:42<ga_bash>llutz, thanks.. :)
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05:39<m2rt>how to install packages using debian package manager from the command line? I have the package downloaded as .deb
05:39<Yoda-BZH`Wk>man dpkg
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06:01<mjt>m2rt: but better yet, try to avoid d/loading and installing packages this way, use official debian package repositories instead.
06:01<m2rt>well... Kompozer is not there... But I decided to use BlueFish.
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06:07<hans>pppd calls ip-pre-up, ip-up with stdout, stderr redirected to /dev/null. What is the reason ? Why not let these scripts decide ?
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06:11<mjt>hans: so let the scripts descide, nothing stops them/you. pppd itself has nothing on std{in,out,err} as it works in background.
06:13<hans>mjt: my problem is, i want to echo something, but i cannot get the syntax right to undo these redirections. can you help ?
06:15<mjt>probably not - i have to run.
06:15<hans>ok thanks
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06:15<mjt>do this: at the beginning of your script, add a line:
06:15<mjt> exec >/tmp/debug 2>&1
06:15<mjt> set -x
06:16<mjt>and see what's in /tmp/debug
06:16<hans>i'll try that.thanks
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07:48<Guest1749>slt toi
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07:48<Guest1749>j'ai besoin des
07:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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07:59<RickjeNL>Hi all, Can I get some help with Debian on a USB stick. I got winxp and I want to just install debian and forget about Windows
07:59<RickjeNL>I got boot.img with dd on the usb stick and then simply putted the debian-501-i386-netinst.iso on the usb stick
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08:00<RickjeNL>When I load it, it says there isin't a kernel to load/install and there is no network card, what am i doing wrong
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08:01<ml|>RickjeNL: have you tried ...
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08:03<Gun_Smoke>wtf lenny... hash sum mismatch?? probably the mirror busted crank eh?
08:04<Gun_Smoke>Update Manager wont stfu about it ^^ I only use aptitude.
08:04<Gun_Smoke> Hash Sum mismatch
08:04<RickjeNL>no m, I didn't.. I'
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08:04<RickjeNL>i'll look init
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08:04<locklace>RickjeNL: i had problems getting it to work right for usb install
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09:05<Razique>hi all
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09:05<Razique>does anyone encountered issues with Gigabytes EP45 DSR3
09:06<Razique>Debian constantly freezes
09:06<Razique>whatever Lenny or Etch
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09:11<locklace>dare i ask what a "Gigabytes EP45 DSR3" is
09:11<Razique>hi locklace
09:11<Razique>it's the motherboard
09:11<Razique>gigabyte ep45-ds3r * to be precise
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09:12<locklace>ok. so what does "freezes" mean?
09:12<Razique>I tried so many different Debian versions,
09:12<Razique>but after a moment, 5 minutes or 2 days
09:12<Razique>the server is froze
09:12<Razique>I mena
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09:12<jm_>just p35 ds3 here, doesn't help much for your case
09:13<Razique>i can't do anything but reboot
09:13<locklace>what exactly does "freezes" mean
09:13<Razique>I've spent hours looking on google, nothing good
09:14<Razique>Maybe the nvidai 6200 le could be the responsible either
09:14<jm_>the old one had issues because of sky2 driver
09:17<ghantoos>Razique: did you try logging without X? does it freeze also?
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09:17<Razique>ghantoos, yes it freezes, even when I'm setup Debian sometimes
09:17<Razique>like when i'm at 97%
09:18<locklace>that's going to be a driver or hw problem
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09:18<Razique>locklace : yes that could be the PSU also
09:19<ghantoos>Razique: I had similar freeze once, it tourned out to be because of the system bell and the PC speakers
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09:19<locklace>your best troubleshooting options are (1) try different kernel versions, including the msot recent from; (2) try recent kernel and incrementally remove drivers from the kernel until it's stable; (3) try other operating system kernels
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09:19<markrian>Razique: perhaps test your RAM
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09:19<ghantoos>Razique: but it didn't freeze during the setup..
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09:19<locklace>and yeah, test your hw
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09:21<Razique>locklace, ghantoos, markriam so it's not about an uncompatible chipset
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09:21<Razique>more like a broken piece of hardware
09:22<locklace>it's most likely to be broken hw or a driver problem
09:22<Razique>I'll burn a memtest
09:22<locklace>try other kernels like freebsd, openbsd etc
09:23<Razique>locklace; I've tried CentOS
09:23<locklace>the point is to try things that aren't linux
09:24<Razique>locklace : what's the point ?
09:24<Razique>Will I be able to determine the issue ?
09:25<locklace>you will be able to determine whether the problem is with the linux kernel and drivers
09:25<ghantoos>Razique: how mush RAM do you have?
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09:28<Razique>locklace : yes I'll try windows
09:28*Razique shakes
09:28<Razique>ghantoos : 4gb of ram
09:28<locklace>well, you can, but i'd try freebsd/netbsd/openbsd/solaris kernels
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09:29<Razique> ghantoos : corsair Dominator 4 Go (kit 2x 2 Go) DDR2-SDRAM PC8500 CL5 - TWIN2X4096-8500C5D
09:30<locklace>windows is like satan's response to god saying "thy operating system shalt provide clear and detailed information about how the hardware is being used"
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09:33<Razique>locklace : ok i'll burn 'em
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09:35<wyatt>hello all ,there is some problem with my wifi ,when i type iwlist scan ,but the result is
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09:35<wyatt>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
09:36<wyatt>can anyone give me a hand ,thanks very much
09:36<gsimmons>wyatt: Raise the interface (ifconfig wlan0 up), then try again.
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09:37<wyatt>gsimmons, some mistabke ,SIOCSIFFLAGS: 没有那个设备
09:37<wyatt>i am sorry ,没有那个设备 means there is not that device
09:38<gsimmons>wyatt: Examine the kernel ring buffer (dmesg). Pastebin it somewhere if you're unsure what it means.
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09:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
09:40<Razique>locklace ghantoos thanks, I'll keep ya in touch regarding memtest, and OpenSolaris i'm burnin
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09:47<ghantoos>Razique: great! thanx :)
09:47<Razique>Thanks to you taking time sharing :)
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09:48<wyatt>gsimmons, firmware: requesting iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode,iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch
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09:51<wyatt>gsimmons, can you tell me how to solve it ,there is iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode in /lib/firmware/, thanks
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09:52<themill>wyatt: check the message you just got from the dpkg bot -- you need to disable the radio kill switch on your laptop
09:53<Razique>ghantoos : alright : memtest gives me plenty of errors
09:53<Gekz>what's an easy-to-use tiling window manager?
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09:56<Razique>ghantoos : around 20 000 errors on the first stick
09:56<Razique>sounds bad eh ?
09:56<wyatt>gsimmons, sorry about my english, i finally got what you means and it works ,thank you very much!
09:56<locklace>i always found gcc to be the best memory tester
09:57<locklace>Razique: but yeah, in that case change you ram and try again
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09:57<Razique>better to have a ram stick dead rather thant the motherboard
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09:58<wyatt>themill, thank you
09:59<themill>no worries
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10:23<Razique>cya dude
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10:29<mans9k>does any one know an application based firewall for lenny
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10:30<valdyn>mans9k: you mean something like zone alarm
10:30<mans9k>yes valdyn
10:30<valdyn>mans9k: i dont think that exists
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10:30<mans9k>i tried nufw which did not work due to some download issues with a dependency
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10:31<mans9k>is it possible 2 create one
10:31<valdyn>mans9k: if nufw already does what you want, its certainly easier to fix nuwall than to write it from scratch
10:32<wyatt>can someone give a eclipse-install-turorial ,i have tried several times ,always ends with mistakes,thanks
10:32<valdyn>wyatt: aptitude install eclipse
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10:33<valdyn>mans9k: such a windows firewall is a stupid idea
10:34<wyatt>valdyn, ok,thanks ,i think i will try again ,thanks
10:34<mans9k>well you see valdyn, i use my laptop for personal use, and i would like to prevent unknown applications from accessing the net
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10:34<valdyn>mans9k: you can do that by not installing unknown applications
10:34<mans9k>rather, i only want specific ones to access the net
10:35<valdyn>mans9k: and any app can use your "permitted" app to access the net
10:35<mans9k>oh yes that can happen valdyn
10:35<mans9k>so what can give me internet security in linux
10:36<mans9k>i know debian is a secure os, but i want something
10:36<valdyn>mans9k: using the defaults
10:36<mans9k>2 make it more secure
10:36<mans9k>i am using em,
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10:36<valdyn>mans9k: most security is based on you as a user
10:36<valdyn>mans9k: a) dont install unknown programs b) dont access potentially dangerous remote hosts
10:36<mans9k>what does that mean valdyn
10:37<mans9k>is there any good antivirus software for linux
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10:37<valdyn>mans9k: geez
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10:37<valdyn>mans9k: windows marketing brainwashed you good
10:37<mans9k>sorry for such stupid qs
10:37<locklace>mans9k: think you need to go off and learn about unix for a year or so, then come back
10:37<mans9k>nopes, i am a linux fan
10:38<valdyn>mans9k: yes, there is linux antivirus programs, but theres practically no viruses for linux
10:38<valdyn>mans9k: its pretty much a waste of time to run antivirus programs on linux
10:38<valdyn>mans9k: rootkits are installed after an attack succeeded
10:38<valdyn>mans9k: chkrootkit is something you can use or rkhunter
10:39<bja>mans9k: Its easier to hack a system due to a faulty user password than get a virus in a unix system
10:39<llutz> /dev/brain is a powerful tool
10:39<valdyn>mans9k: linux hosts are typically broken into via broken php applicatiopns running on linux webservers or weak passwords
10:40<valdyn>mans9k: theres more than that, but you can protect against those 2 easily
10:40<llutz>or ftpd
10:40<locklace>mans9k: if you're interested in security, you should start from the beginning by learning what unix security involves; try something like this to start:
10:40<mans9k>but if i disable remote login for my host, no one should be able 2 hack in right
10:40<valdyn>mans9k: yea
10:40<valdyn>mans9k: unless you operate something like a webserver
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10:41<mans9k>ok guys thanks for the info, i need to go now, catch you later
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11:12<locklace>i'm crushed that there's no longer a debian package for gtktrue
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11:22<bja> from teh shorewall site: "route - An obsolete program included in the net-utils package. route was used to configure routing" is there a new program to configure routing??
11:23<locklace>yeah, i just ran into that yesterday
11:23<koollman>bja: ip
11:23<koollman>and, ip route
11:23<locklace>apparently someone has decided to go change around all the standard network config tools
11:24<koollman>hmm ... that's not exactly recent
11:24<locklace>sometime in the last ten years ;)
11:24<locklace>where is that coming from, by the way?
11:24<locklace>it's so hard to keep track of who's responsible for what piece of linux
11:25<koollman> (aka the linux foundation) , iproute2 utility
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11:26<bja>koollman: thanks
11:26<koollman>which can replace nicely ifconfig, route, and some other tools. while being able to configure stuff that couldn't be done before
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11:27<bja>ifconfig, iwconfig and route where the essential tools, I knew i was rusty, but not this much :(
11:27<koollman>they are still around
11:27<locklace>yeah. it's true the old tools are sort of clunky, but they are standard
11:27<koollman>and will be there for a long enough time, too
11:27<koollman>but, the ip command is quite nice
11:28<locklace>i don't suppose there's any kind of standard backing the tool change
11:28<koollman>not really. there's no standard for the tool, either :)
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11:30<locklace>i just want pf :(
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11:30<koollman>locklace: search for nftables :)
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11:31<koollman>folks just like rewriting tools, don't you think ? :)
11:31<koollman>(from what I've seen so far, it's not only a complete rewrite, but also a piece of art)
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11:33<goose>I've got a debian server that I'd like to set up so that a friend of mine and use it as a proxy to connect to an IRC server that their ISP won't normally let them connect to. Can someone help me figure out how to make this happen, please?
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11:37<bja>locklace: You asked for pf for linux, well I think you'll get nftables :)
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12:05<jmarquez>quien eres
12:06<dpkg>somebody said ca was a Certificate Authroity. It's required when browsers check your SSL certs with the CA's digital signature. See also SSL, or dog in Mallorquí.... Canada, or see apache rootca
12:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:07<jmarquez>no te entiendo abla en español
12:07<zumbi>jmarquez: /join #debian-es
12:08<jmarquez>que ablas
12:08<EagleScreen>!es | jmarquez
12:09<EagleScreen>hola jmarquez, en este canal se habla en inglés, para hablar en español, por favor entra en el canal #debian-es
12:09<jmarquez>pero dime tú nombre en español
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12:10<jmarquez>kien ers
12:10<jmarquez>di tu nombre
12:10<jmarquez>en español
12:10<EagleScreen>mi nombre es Rafael
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12:11<EagleScreen>prueba el comando /whois nick
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12:12<jmarquez>ola julio eres de las navas
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12:14<jmarquez>quien sois bosotros
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12:14<jmarquez>quien sois
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12:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:16<jmarquez>quien eres
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12:16<jmarquez>como te llamas guapo0
12:17<jmarquez>cnt rapido0
12:17<avu>either the spanish part of that factoid is not definite enough or jmarquez is just trolling
12:17<OdyX>jmarquez: stop speaking in spanish
12:18<jmarquez>abla en español guapo0
12:18<OdyX>jmarquez: por favor deja de hablar en español.
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12:18<OdyX>jmarquez: you will be kicked if you don't stop
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12:19<Hydroxide>OdyX: I'll just do +q if it becomes necessary.
12:19<jmarquez>que segnifica eso
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12:55<Bhagya>i am trying to determine best mirror using netselect-apt, since a sources.list already exists it is showing the following message : Writing sources.list. sources.list exists, moving to sources.list.1240505423
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12:56<Bhagya>how do i overcome the above limitation, so that i can overwrite my existing sources.list
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12:57<Bhagya>and moreover i am unable to find sources.list.124050423
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13:07<valdyn>Bhagya: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.*
13:08<Bhagya>it has shown the following 2 lines only : /etc/apt/ /etc/apt/sources.list.d
13:09<valdyn>Bhagya: maybe netselect-apt acts in your $PWD
13:09<valdyn>Bhagya: it has documentation i suppose
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13:11<Bhagya>valdyn, ok i will try $PWD thing
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13:14<tim>Have a stupid Java issue - took a jar file, signed it to get upto date signature, unpacked it with "jar" in lenny, removed some old signatures, recreated the jar using "jar" in lenny. Now it doesn't work (I'm working on how it doesn't work exactly, but it claims the main class is missing in the Java console). I noticed that the new jar is half the size of the old ones, and claims to require zip v1.... has jar moved on?
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13:18<bja>What does "bridged networking" means ?
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13:20<krishna>bja: means that you use one network interface as if it were a bridge to "fake" interfaces, to have a host with one network card with many interfaces for virtual machines, for instance
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13:21<bja>krishna: Meaning I have a "virtual local subnet" which uses the computer network card as a gateway for the rest of the network?
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13:22<kbs>Have a dumb question: Is there a way to force a fsck -c on reboot? [Ie, not just force a fsck, but do a badblock check in addition]. I have a single partition, so doing a fsck -c in single-user mode won't cut it, I'm assuming.
13:22<locklace>bja: more generally, "bridged" is in contrast to "routed", it means connected at the link layer rather than the network layer
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13:23<locklace>bja: mainly used for ethernet and token ring media, which support a variety of different kinds of bridging, the most common by far of which is transparent bridging, the same technology implemented by ethernet switches
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13:24<krishna>bja: at that case it is more usual to have a virtual interface, which has a different concept
13:24<krishna>bja: read and
13:25<locklace>bja: in fact, a "switch" is just a multiport bridge; in the old days before switches you actually had "ethernet bridges" to connect different segments together, often just a computer with a couple of nics running bridging sw
13:26<locklace>but yeah, for vm stuff you're dealing with a special case
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13:48<washi>hello people; after a week of investigation and efforts, I have finally set up my Canon Pixma printer; even modified some options
13:48<washi>but when passed a job, the printer won't print
13:48<bja>krishna: Very interesting reading Thank you
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13:49<washi>fortunately, the access and error logs speak this time
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13:50<washi>should I post the interesting part of the logs here?
13:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
13:53<bja>washi: A Simple anecdote, two days on a non working printer, logs ok, everything on cups ok correct driver, Forgot to remove the sticker on the tonner, Priceless
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13:54<OdyX>bwahahahaaa ;)
13:55<washi>well, bja. the printer is an inkjet; anyway,
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13:57<washi>any hints?
14:00<washi>oh well; then I should hope one day Gutenprint add the model (ip1800) to their database
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14:21<sian>I've never used Internet Relay Chat before.
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14:22<sian>Does Lenny install a kernel by default which uses WiFi?
14:22<dondelelcaro>sian: yes.
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14:23<dondelelcaro>sian: though for some cards you'll need firmware which is only in non-free
14:23<ruied>entify titanic
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14:26<ipc>salurt j'ai un problem mon serveur apache et inaccessible depuis Internet parcontre je vois mon site en local sur toute mes machines le forwarding du port 80 vers l'ip est fait !!
14:26<RaZa>hi, i'm trying to install the linux kernel headers and the command apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) dodesnt seem to be working, anybody know the package name i need?
14:28<krishna>ipc: #debian-fr
14:29<dondelelcaro>RaZa: that's the right command, but you may be running a kernel which isn't distributed by Debian (or isn't anymore)
14:30<krishna>RaZa: type just "uname -r" on a terminal to see what kernel you have running
14:30<RaZa>this is on a disk that ive just downloaded and installed from... its a clean install, ive installed ssh, fglrx and added the non-free and contrib repos, on a clean amd64 build... thats why it's got me...
14:30<RaZa>and it's the latest and greatest 2.6.26-2-amd64
14:31<bja>RaZa: you also need linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common
14:31<dondelelcaro>RaZa: and you've run apt-get update? then linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 certainly exists.
14:31<RaZa>common... ok ta
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14:31<dondelelcaro>RaZa: if you're still unable to install it, provide us the full output as well as the apt-cache policy; and apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64; output
14:32<dondelelcaro>bja: it's not necessary to install that directly; it'll happen automatically
14:32<RaZa>common isn't there either
14:32<dondelelcaro>RaZa: give us the output of apt-cache policy;
14:33<bja> Then I did things the other way around and it worked :) jeje
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14:33<RaZa>theres the apt-cache policy output
14:34<RaZa>and for the package name it remains that it isn't found
14:34<ruied>I'm making a USB pen ( vmlinuz and intitrd from hd-media ftp) with debian and ubuntu, I have grub working fine and initrd and vmliuz for both installers. But debian and ubunto will search for the first iso file that it founds, so debian initrd could try to load first the Ubuntu.iso installer. Does anyone knows where is the script inside initrd that searches for *.iso file ? so I can change it to debian__blahblah.iso
14:35<dondelelcaro>RaZa: you're running stable. The newest kernel in stable is linux-image-2.6.26-1 and linux-headers-2.6.26-1
14:36<RaZa>thankyou dondelelcaro... if you're correct then uname -r is outputting wrong o_-
14:37<dondelelcaro>err, actually, it is -2, nevermind
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14:37<RaZa>hmm, well the -1 packages are there and installing fine as we speak, so it would appear as thout the -2 is missing from the repo... oh dear :p
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14:39<RaZa>can somebody with an amd64 build running try installing the latest headers to see if its an issue of an outdated repo or a problem with debian's updates?
14:40<dondelelcaro>RaZa: so yeah, the mirror that you're using is actually way out of date. It's missing the -2 kernels which are now in lenny as of r2
14:40<dondelelcaro>RaZa: switch to a mirror that is actually being kept up to date.
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14:40<final_frontier>hi everyone
14:40<RaZa>bah, ill slap virgin media next time i meet an employee, ta guys
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14:41<final_frontier>I have a little problem here: I have installed KDE 4.1.4 in lenny, but a giant plasmoid is in the desktop and i cant close it
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14:42<final_frontier>can i close plasmoids in console?
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14:43<ffws>final_frontier: why 4.1.4 and not 4.2.2?
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14:43<final_frontier>because the last time sound crashes
14:43<final_frontier>so i installed the stable version for lenny
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14:44<final_frontier>i installed it whit apt-get install kde4-minimall
14:45<ffws>final_frontier: and you cannot right click on the plasmoid and close it?
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14:45<ffws>mh, in 4.2.2 from sid this is possible for every plasmoid
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14:47<krishna>final_frontier: my sound is also crashing with kde 4.2. It seems phonon keeps something busy in /dev/snd, such a way nothing else can use it
14:47<final_frontier>yes, but kde 4.2.2 send me a message like this: Can't start sound device, not reconogised
14:47<final_frontier>is weird
14:48<ffws>never heard of that problem
14:48<final_frontier>i prefer not to install experimental packages :P
14:48<bremner>hey all, I just used script for the first time in about 20 years, and it kinda sucks. What do modern kids use to make a log of an interactive terminal session? Terminal scrollback?
14:48<krishna>final_frontier: the same with me, but kde sound works
14:48<final_frontier>not for me and i dont know why
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14:49<final_frontier>is the minimal install of kde4, could kde4 full install fix this issue?
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14:50<dnk>рудз ьу
14:50<dnk>help me
14:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
14:51<dnk>i change net card to new. now it name eth0_rename.
14:52<dnk>i am console
14:52<dnk>not x11
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14:52<dnk>i bad speak english
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14:53<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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14:58<Comma>hi there!
14:58<dnk>help me. i read and translate
14:59<Comma>help wanted
14:59<Comma>how to configure php with mysql?
14:59<Comma>I'm to new to debian.
14:59<dnk>apt-get install php5-mysql
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15:01<Comma>Is it like an alias for --with-mysql?
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15:07<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
15:07<simonrvn>dnk: ^^^
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15:07<Comma>nice =_
15:08<simonrvn>Comma: install php5-mysql{i}
15:08<Comma>i'm abou ru-chanel
15:08<simonrvn>Comma: do NOT build it yourself
15:08<Comma>thx apt-get helped me
15:09<Comma>it's strange than debian is so different to FreeBSd =\
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15:09<Comma>How can I browse packges installed with apt-get command?
15:10<dkr>dpkg -l
15:10<dpkg>dkr: I don't know, could you explain it?
15:10<simonrvn>man dpkg
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15:14<Comma>A little present for help =)
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15:15<Trumpetr>hello, does anyone know what program/how I might go about getting a recursive directory listing of an FTP?
15:16<Comma>Hm... and if I wand php with... zip extension... I have to type some like apt-get install php5-zip? =)
15:16<Trumpetr>Comma: provided that there is such a package, yes
15:16<Trumpetr>you can do apt-cache search php | grep zip
15:17<themill>judd info libphp-pclzip
15:17<judd>themill: libphp-pclzip (web): is optional; Version: 2.6-1; Size: 42.0k; Installed: 268k -- zip archive manager class for PHP
15:18<simonrvn>Comma: you'd do a search for it, or check /usr/lib/phpwhatever to se if it's already there
15:18<simonrvn>Trumpetr covered that :)
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15:20<Comma>judd whoami
15:20<judd>Comma: I don't recognize you.
15:20<simonrvn>and themill
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15:21<Trumpetr>anyone have any idea about my question?
15:22<themill>Trumpetr: there's no general method -- it's ftp-server dependent. What are you trying to accomplish?
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15:23<Trumpetr>a recursive directory listing :>
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15:26<Comma>judd info dselect
15:26<judd>Comma: dselect (admin): is optional; Version: 1.14.25; Size: 776.5k; Installed: 2188k -- Debian package management front-end
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15:35<Comma>judd help
15:35<judd>Comma: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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15:35<Comma>judd help suecide
15:35<judd>Comma: Error: There is no command "suecide".
15:35<dpkg>methinks judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI-Id and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname".
15:36<themill>Comma: judd can only do a very limited set of things and most of them are database lookups.
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15:37<Comma>judd DROP information_schema
15:37<judd>Comma: Error: "DROP" is not a valid command.
15:37<Comma>ehh =)
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15:48*simonrvn wonders why someone would expose the backend like that...
15:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 404] by debhelper
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15:57<lskfjlsdk>i was browsing a website and had a couple of apps running and then my computer just froze. the 'Num Lock' and 'Scroll Lock' leds on my keyboard started flashing on and off once per second and i couldn't do anything. when i rebooted i got an error message during the boot process. a bunch of numbers filled half the screen, formatted to like sets of 6 or 7 and it printed something about "kernel panic" and not syncing.
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15:59<OdyX>lskfjlsdk: This is a kernel panic.
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15:59<locklace>lskfjlsdk: sounds like you may have had a disk failure
15:59<OdyX>and a kernel panic on reboot
15:59<OdyX>I guess for either a disk failure or a motherboard failure.
15:59<lskfjlsdk>locklace: it's persistent over several disks
16:00<lskfjlsdk>and the same disks on a different pc
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16:00<lskfjlsdk>so it must be the disks, eh
16:00<locklace>lskfjlsdk: if the kernel panicked again on boot, chances are good that you had a hw failure
16:00<lskfjlsdk>yeah. it panicked alot... like i've given up after 10 or so reboots
16:01<locklace>lskfjlsdk: you can get more info by watching the boot process carefully and finding out the point where it panics, and the actual panic message will give you the exact stack trace if you can capture it
16:01<hansi>hi, hehe multiscreen funzt - Danke an dieser stelle. Ich hätte noch gerne das TightVNC als server läuft, bzw ich möchte mich via VNC (remote) auf den debian Rechner. Wo finde ich den VNC-Server im packet Manager?
16:01<lskfjlsdk>usually the numbers that fill the screen make the previous messages scrooll off
16:01<OdyX>use scroll lock…
16:01<OdyX>that's the only place where it is useful ;)
16:01<lskfjlsdk>how do i unlock once if i time it wrong?
16:02<OdyX>again ;)
16:02<lskfjlsdk>yeah. it does give the trace. i never bothered to write it down though. what do i do with that next time?
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16:03<FourtyTruth>Hurrah for panik!
16:04<lskfjlsdk>or, what is a stack trace?
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16:05<lskfjlsdk>and if i have a swap partition on another disk beside the primary hdd at boot, will debian automatically use this partition as part of it's swap space?
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16:21<yfk>I'm trying to watch this H.D video in mplayer and get a "Too many video packets in buffer..." error. is this a hardware limit issue?
16:22<jrabbit>Are you maxing your cpu or your memory?
16:22<jrabbit>check in top or gnome's thingy
16:22<yfk>jrabbit: good question, 1 sec
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16:23<yfk>cpu is topped. mem is at 30%
16:23<yfk>both CPU cores at 100%
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16:24<yfk>how can I tell if I'm using the video card as much as I can to render this?
16:24<jrabbit>I don't know
16:25<jrabbit>ask mplayer's irc chan or their faq
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16:26<OdyX>yfk: rendering on the videocard is only roughly experimental now (aka not mainstream)
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16:28<OdyX>yfk: you can try with -vo gl or gl2
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16:34<chahibi>I would like to know if Broadcom 4315 is supported in Debian
16:34<chahibi>After upgrading to 2.6.29 I could no longer compile the Linux STA broadcom driver
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16:47<ed_debian>Hi all, I am trying to run a php script it is trivial right now all it does is print to the document but when I browse to it I get 403 - forbidden error even though I have the permissions completely open right now
16:48<locklace>ed_debian: so what does your web server's error log say
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16:49<ed_debian>The access log and the error log are blank
16:49<ed_debian>locklace, well the error log says "server started"
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16:49<ed_debian>locklace, and the access log says "get/post.php"
16:50<ed_debian>locklace, but other than that blank
16:50<locklace>well, that's pretty dumb
16:50<locklace>first step then is to fix your server's logging ;)
16:51<Comma>how can i install mod_rewrite for apache2?
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16:52<dvst>Comma, good, bad or everything in between
16:52<adb>Comma: apache2.2-common ?
16:53<adb>apt-file search mod_rewrite
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16:53<ed_debian>locklace, I found out so far that I need the php package installed lol
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16:55<Comma>judd info apt-file
16:55<judd>Comma: apt-file (admin): is optional; Version: 2.1.5; Size: 18.7k; Installed: 140k -- APT package searching utility -- command-line interface
16:56<adb>!tell Comma about search
16:56<jrabbit>no no no
16:56<jrabbit>use apt-cache
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16:56<Comma>thx, but i just add a line to httpd.conf an watch what will heppen =)
16:57<themill>a2enmod rewrite ; invoke-rc.d apache2 reload
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16:58<locklace>ergh. anyone know why an open of /dev/fb0 would fail with ENXIO? fb drivers are loaded, but no fb info shows up in dmesg
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17:04<locklace>ok, different question: anyone have fbcon working? :)
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17:07<locklace>probably some unfortunate combination of kernel options
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17:17<Comma>a2enmod rewrite - enables mod but no any redirects happen (
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17:19<themill>Comma: you have to enable rewrite for a site or directory and then actually configure some rewrites still
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17:19<bja>locklace: How do i find out if i have fbcon installed??
17:20<locklace>bja: modprobe -l
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17:22<bja>locklace: Sorry can't help
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17:23<spacepluk>hi, any mutt user around? I'd like to give my imap password to $query_command without having it hardcoded in the config file. Is it possible?
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17:25<locklace>isn't query_command used for address lookup?
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17:26<spacepluk>locklace: yes, but I'm using a python script to query Gmail's contacts and it needs to authenticate
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17:28<locklace>ok. well, query_command just calls out to an external program, so you can do whatever you want with that program, e.g. look up the right password in some db
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17:30<spacepluk>locklace: mmm, It would be nice if I could pass the password entered by the user when mutt starts, and the same for the smtp. In this case they're all the same.
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17:31<spacepluk>locklace: there's already some password caching for GPG stuff
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17:32<bja>locklace: Read about fbcon I am simply guessing but I think mandriva has it enabled by default.
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17:33<locklace>spacepluk: does it work to use the $imap_pass variable?
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17:34<spacepluk>locklace: Do I just put it like this? $query_command="command $imap_pass"
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17:35<locklace>that was my idea but i have a feeling it won't work
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17:36<spacepluk>locklace: let's see... :P
17:38<spacepluk>locklace: I doesn't work :(
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17:39<locklace>i think you're screwed
17:39<locklace>post a feature request to the mutt dev list
17:39<spacepluk>locklace: well, I'll grab the source and take a look tomorrow :P
17:40<spacepluk>locklace: I think this would be very useful
17:40<locklace>wait, what if you set imap_pass yourself after you start mutt?
17:41<spacepluk>but, then I have the password harcoded again?
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17:42<locklace>does mutt expand $imap_pass if you use it in the $query_program?
17:43<lskfjlsdk>what's the deal with data recovery off a ext2/3 filesystem? i heard it's not possible.
17:43<locklace>if so then it would work, if not then no dice
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17:45<spacepluk>locklace: I don't think so, It works if I write the pass.
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17:50<NickPresta>Is there an easy way to figure out if the version of some package I have installed is greater or less than the same package, but in another repo?
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17:51<dondelelcaro>NickPresta: if you know the version numbers, dpkg --compare-versions ver1 op ver2
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17:52<NickPresta>dondelelcaro: I don't know the version numbers without manually finding them. I want to see if I have the latest KDE packages from experimental. I want to see if my installed KDE packages are 'less than' the experimental versions.
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17:57<themill>NickPresta: apt-cache policy or apt-show-versions is probably what you're looking for. Or have your pinning set so that once you've installed things from experimental, aptitude will automatically upgrade them for you
17:59<NickPresta>themill: those will work nicely. Thanks!
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18:22<bja>My 5 seconds stupid_mode how much disk space for a barebones linux instalation, X11 and minimum user space??
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18:22<dondelelcaro>depends on what you're doing; I figure 2G minimum, sky's the limit from there
18:23<bja>kvm machine
18:23<dondelelcaro>total barebones with X is as low as around 500M
18:23<bja>used to do some testing
18:23<bja>and only that on the local disk everything else should be mounted by nfs
18:24<dondelelcaro>depends on everything that you install; I'd start with 500M; if you need to make it larger, you can always do that
18:24<dondelelcaro>(though if disk is cheap, start with 2G)
18:25<bja>Lets see if it fits there
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18:25<bja>Ok 2 G sounds better
18:26*zedboy hasn't gotten a useful debian installation in <1G since ... 1999 or so
18:26<bja>found a broken Backyardigans image of a dvd, the virtual disk just grew to 4.7 G hehe
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18:37<andrew>hey i'm from poland what's name is polish channel irc ??
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18:38<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
18:38<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
18:38<andrew>ok thx for dpkg
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19:00<Zviper>hey i keep on getting Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display when trying to run gnome-session, anyone help me out?
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19:11<Zviper>is there an unmount command?
19:12<bja>I'm playing with KVM, how do i get in and out of the virtual machine??
19:12<bja>zviper: try umount and the full path or whatever is listen on your /etc/mtab
19:12<locklace>Zviper: umount
19:12<locklace>bja: ctrl-alt should work
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19:13<Silicium01>what is the fastest file transfer method?
19:13<Silicium01>I use scp but it seems like it
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19:13<Silicium01>I use scp but it seems like it's about 350 kb/s for me
19:14<locklace>Silicium01: fxp
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19:15<locklace>er, fsp
19:15<Zviper>i get a blank gold screen when i try to vnc into my box, what does this mean?
19:15<locklace>kind of a joke anyway
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19:21<bja>Zviper: If you want a vague answer make a vague question
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19:22<Zviper>sorry, i just can't find the cause of this. i've installed gnome, xorg and gdm. whenever i run gnome-session i get Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
19:23<Zviper>i've already started x (i think)
19:23<locklace>is your $DISPLAY set
19:24<locklace>actually that ":" at the end suggests it isn't
19:24<Zviper>how would i go about doing so?
19:24<locklace>export DISPLAY=:0
19:24<bja>locklace: my kvm cmdline is this " kvm -hda /home/bmatanzo/VirtualMachines/mandriva.img -cdrom /home/bmatanzo/VirtualMachines/mandriva/mandriva-linux-2008.0-pwp-dvd-i586.iso -boot d -m 512" it should begin to install mandriva but i get a text screen with somee messages beeing the last line "Loading ..."
19:25<Zviper>now i get this
19:25<locklace>people shouldn't be allowed to use x until they understand the concept of display
19:25<Zviper>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
19:25<Zviper>Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
19:25<Zviper>(gnome-session:21199): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
19:25<abrotman>how did you install X?
19:25<locklace>Zviper: so try xhost +
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19:25<themill>locklace: :(
19:25<abrotman>locklace: don't say that .. it's not helpful
19:26<bja>Then it just sits there top gives me a reading of 100% cpu usage and 0.7 % memory usage
19:26<locklace>it is. if it works, you can go back and fix the auth
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19:26<abrotman>it shouldn't need to be fixed ..
19:26<Zviper>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
19:26<Zviper>Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
19:26<Zviper>xhost: unable to open display ":0"
19:26<themill>Zviper: Can you tell us more about what you're doing? Are you currently logged on to that machine? You're trying to use vnc? ...
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19:26<Zviper>yes im logged into root
19:27<bja>Zviper are you fisically in fron of the machine
19:27<Zviper>i've connected to vnc all i see is a x as a cursor
19:27<Zviper>i am not
19:27<Zviper>it is a server
19:27<locklace>bja: does it work with other images?
19:27<Zviper>using ssh
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19:28<bja> locklace: I'm downloading one ubuntu right now, but i think it is the display
19:28<abrotman>Zviper: so you're logging in via ssh and want to run X applicatoins on your local machine?
19:28<bja>Somekind of incompatibility between mandriva and the default video card emulation, My best guess
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19:29<Zviper>yes abrotman
19:29<locklace>bja: could be a problem if it's trying to do some graphics and you don't have your graphics set up to work right with qemu
19:29<bja>Zviper: what you are trying to do is X forwarding over ssh a completely different topic
19:29<abrotman>Zviper: /msg dpkg sshx
19:29<abrotman>Zviper: done that alreadY?
19:30<Zviper>im trying to connect to my machine using vnc, i'm already connected via ssh
19:30<bja>I don't have qemu installed, i only installed kvm it didn't depend on it
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19:30<themill>Zviper: why do you want vnc?
19:31<locklace>bja: kvm is qemu + vt optimization
19:31<bja>Zviper: Try to look on your server in the sshd.conf for X forwarding put it to say yes or enable it I don't remember right now the esential parameters but man sshd_conf will give you a hint
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19:32<bja>locklace: I'll see if something is missing, but i believe it shouldn't start at all if something was. :)
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19:32<Zviper>i want vnc so i can use firefox and install utorrent for webui
19:32<locklace>bja: no, i've already had it crash at the point where the guest os tried to invoke graphics
19:33<Zviper>what is X forwarding by the way?
19:33<locklace>bja: however, it should actually die and not sit there eating CPU in that case, so maybe something else wrong
19:33<bja>Zviper: google X Forwarding lots of information there
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19:34<themill>Zviper: (a) you don't need vnc to run X programs remotely, there is also X forwarding for that. (b) don't run firefox on a server
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19:35<Zviper>regardless, i still need vnc to create torrents.
19:36<bja>locklace: then it is for qemu that i'm installing right now.
19:37<Zviper>also, why shouldn't i run firefox?
19:38<locklace>bja: how did you even make the image file without qemu-img?
19:38<bja>locklace: kvm-img did the trick
19:39<locklace>hm, don't think i even have that
19:39<bja>locklace: came with the bundle
19:42<locklace>if could just get the !@)*(! framebuffer to work
19:43<bja>Zviper: take a look here, then take a look here then just one of my favorites
19:44<bja> Zviper: The last one i got it wrong
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19:45<Aleric>Is there a commandline utility to copy a part of a wav file (from the middle)? What I really need is to copy the left or right channel from N * 10 seconds till (N+1) * 10 seconds from an input wav to a new wav file.
19:46<bja>locklace: Could it be my windowmanager that is doing a poor job ??
19:46<bja>Aleric: Audacity can do the trick but i really don't know if you can put it from the cmdline
19:46<locklace>bja: try it from a vt
19:47<bja>locklace: vt??
19:47<locklace>bja: ctrl-alt-f2
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19:47<Aleric>bja: I had problems with audacity to get exactly 10 seconds - it only allows me to graphically select a part and I have no way to check that it is 10.000 seconds.
19:47<bja>locklace: Sorry didn't thought of that one
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19:48<Zviper>bja: what are you implying?
19:49<servidor>hi. I have this problem: just upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and ntp is broken now. What can I do?
19:49<bja>Aleric: I used a windows program EAC best of breed (no flame intended) I think it also runs over wine, haven't go time to try it
19:49<abrotman>Aleric: in lenny?
19:49<Aleric>abrotman: yes - testing actually
19:50<abrotman>Aleric: uhm .. in mine, there's a toolbar on the bottom .. i just type in the times i want it to select and it does it
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19:51<abrotman>Aleric: View->Toolbars->Selection Toolbar .. i think is what you want
19:52<Aleric>Thanks! I don't know audacity at all :/ ... I just quickly tried it to get this done, and I didn't know you could input numbers there!
19:52<locklace>jidm: you could revert the ntp package
19:52<bja>Zviper: Lots of things.
19:53<abrotman>Aleric: that do the trick?
19:53<jidm>locklace How can i do that? I tried dpkg-reconfigure ntp but didn't work
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19:54<Aleric>abrotman: Well, if you can tell me how I can write the selected part to a file :) ... before I did that in a rather clumsy way. And how to write just the left or right channel to a .wav ?
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19:54<Zviper>bja: ok, well could you be more specific? i'm not very fimiliar with linux unfortunately
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19:54<abrotman>Aleric: i think you want to copy it, and paste it to a new track .. then close the original and save it to a new file
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19:54<bja>Zviper: 1 down a few to go
19:55<abrotman>Aleric: you'll have to play with it a bit .. but i just did something like that and it works
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19:56<Aleric>abrotman, ok thanks
19:56<abrotman>Aleric: also note that you can have more than one project open at a time .. each with multiple tracks
19:56<locklace>jidm: well, one way to do it is to remove it and then reinstall the right version
19:57<locklace>Aleric: seriously - sox
19:57<abrotman>Aleric: also note that you can change the selection units
19:57<jidm>locklace: i understand, but i have no internet access so this package will probably go away forever
19:58<jidm>locklace: how can i install a previous version cached on my pc?
19:58<locklace>jidm: what makes you think there is a previous version cached? you can look in /var/cache/apt i guess
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19:59<jidm>locklace im just wondering that :)
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20:00<locklace>jidm: did you fix your mouse problem?
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20:02<jidm>locklace not yet, but i have a worse problem, is that my networking are not working (the wifi and the ethernet)
20:03<jidm>i think im screwed
20:03<bja>jidm: If you don have networking how come we are talking with you??
20:04<locklace>he's booting into windows
20:04<locklace>jidm: i think you should build your own kernel
20:05<jidm>locklace I have 2 computers at the moment, the one with the problem and this one
20:06<locklace>ok. thought you said yesterday you were dual-booting, maybe someone else
20:06<jidm>yes it was me
20:06<jidm>now i have an extra machine :)
20:06<locklace>anyway, your system is so screwed that i think taking charge of your kernel would be wise
20:07<bja>Zviper: I was very stressed a few minutes ago, It shows you are new to Linux, It also show that you need to read a lot about security in linux. That what it is right looks right. An apology for my Sarcasm
20:07<jidm>locklace: so i should reconfigure my kernel?
20:08<locklace>jidm: well, up to you, but it's a good exercise to go through and set all the config options to match your exact hw config and needs and build based on that
20:08<locklace>jidm: there is a debian tool called make-kpkg also which you can use to make a debian package out of your kernel build if you want
20:09<Zviper>bja: no worries, yes you're right i haven't a clue about linux security
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20:10<jidm>locklace thanks for you overseized help!
20:10<bja>jidm: what locklace is saying i would use as a last resort.
20:11<bja>jidm: Take a look at /var/log/dpkg.log
20:11<jidm>bja i'll look for it
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20:11<bja> There you can find what are your last packages you were installing. I would uninstall the latest ones and then
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20:12<bja>with the computer you are connected right now a nice look up on the debian site and you can download the ones you need through the web server
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20:12<locklace>but if he's having problems with drivers, the kernel is going to have to change
20:12<jidm>bja my last action was upgrading from lenny to squeeze, so there are lot of recent packages
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20:13<bja>At some point in time networking (ethernet) was working right
20:13<locklace>jidm: as far as i can tell the package system is good for upgrading but not so good for downgrading
20:14<locklace>seems like kind of a fundamental problem actually, maybe someone else has a solution or workaround
20:14<bja>Let's have that working and from there you can rebuild the kernel, its really painful to download all the dependencies though a different machine (trien it once with a PS3 and yellowdog linux)
20:14<jidm>one more thing, it may help a little. I have 2 ethernet ports on my machine. The network-admin is recognizing both of them, but they are disabled. I can't enable them by using the GUI
20:15<locklace>jidm: what does "ifconfig eth0" say
20:15<locklace>maybe your drivers are fine and just your config is hosed
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20:16<jidm>device not found :/
20:16<locklace>jidm: how about "dmesg | egrep 'eth|net'"
20:16<jidm>sorry bad typing, again...
20:17<jidm>eh0 says nothing, but eth1 and eth2 give me both some info
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20:18<locklace>ok, so your drivers are fine, can you ping your router?
20:19<bja>jidm: Is your network cable connected? "Just a joke, sometimes it happens"
20:19<jidm>nope. Network is unreachable
20:19<locklace>jidm: what does netstat -rn show?
20:19<jidm>bja Yes, i tried it in both etherenet ports.
20:19<locklace>jidm: and in "ifconfig -a", do any of the ethernet interfaces show as UP?
20:19<jidm>but wait!
20:20<jidm>wait a minute, bja you are right, the other extreme is not connected
20:20<locklace>jidm: they should say "UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST" and have a valid ip address
20:20<jidm>i think my roommate unplugged it very recently
20:20<locklace>that would do it
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20:23<jidm>ok. plugged again now, still the same issue. Question, how to change the l10n of my pc? i have it in spanish and im not able to proper translate to you some messages
20:24<jidm>i know it is a command line instruction
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20:27<locklace>er, i don't know anything about locales. set $LANG, maybe?
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20:29<bja>locklace: ran kvm on vt2 , it generated a vt8 the same thing happend, i killed the process on vt2, went to vt8 and it locked me there, no kbd no video, totally locked, had to ssh from my ipod to restart X
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20:30<bja>jidm: What happend next?
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20:31<jidm>i have no network connection. I can see in network-admin my 2 eth ports, both disabled. I'm not able to enable tem
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20:31<bja>jidm: Do they appear on lspci
20:31<locklace>jidm: "ifconfig eth1 inet netmask up"
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20:32<locklace>bja: something very wrong there, would be good to test with a different image
20:33<bja>locklace: 700mb take a while to download over a slow connection :(
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20:33<bja>locklace: I'll have to wait sometime to figure things out
20:33<jidm>locklace: i ran that line, nothing was shown to me
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20:35<locklace>jidm: when unix commands don't show you anything, it means they worked
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20:36<locklace>bja: well you can try with some small image, like a minimal rescue disk image
20:37<bja>locklace: Any candidates, I'm downloading knoppix cd image, Don't know of a smaller one :(
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20:37<bja>jidm: try once more a plain ifconfig, it should show your present network status
20:38<bja>locklace: thx
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20:39<jidm>locklace, bja: guess what? rebooted and now i have network, and internet :):)
20:40<bja>jidm: cool
20:40<cesurasean1>anyone have a clue what's up with postgres 8.3 on lenny?
20:40<locklace>well, you could have just done /etc/init.d/network start, but whatever ;)
20:40<cesurasean1>I can't get the server started.
20:40<abrotman>cesurasean1: you'll need to be less vague
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20:40<abrotman>cesurasean1: do you ahve errors? messages? runes?
20:40<cesurasean1>well, it seems postgres is broke
20:41<abrotman>i've got it in a few machiens .. works fine
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20:41<cesurasean1>server:~# psql
20:41<cesurasean1>psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory
20:41<gravity>I hate it when my software spits runes out at me :-)
20:41<cesurasean1> Is the server running locally and accepting
20:41<cesurasean1> connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"?
20:41<locklace>yeah, i shouldn't have installed the (!@&*! futhark version of postgres
20:42<abrotman>gravity: i had an app do tarot cards on me the other day
20:42<cesurasean1>there is several postgres processes when I do ps aux, but
20:42<abrotman>cesurasean1: does that socket exist?
20:42<cesurasean1>it doesn't seem the "postmaster" as I think it's called is started for postgres
20:42<cesurasean1>I don't see any 5432 when I do ps aux
20:42<cesurasean1>this is on two machines upgraded from etch to lenny
20:43<cesurasean1>everyone else "claims" theirs works fine
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20:43<cesurasean1>funny thing too, because postgres 7.4 was installed alongside 8.3
20:43<cesurasean1>I removed 7.4, and now I can't get it back
20:43<cesurasean1>7.4 worked fine
20:44<locklace>maybe you have some config files that stuck around
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20:44<cesurasean1>what should I do? remove postgres, then do a find for postgres and delete, then reinstall?
20:44<cesurasean1>I don't understand why the socket isn't being created.
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20:45<cesurasean1>also, it's funny that it says could not connect to server: No such file or directory
20:45<bja>cesurasean1: try looking for postres on you ps
20:45<cesurasean1>"No such file or directory"
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20:45<locklace>you could purge it ("aptitude purge") and then re-install
20:45<bja>cesurasean1: typo postgres
20:45<cesurasean1>ps aux shows several postgres processes running
20:46<bja>thats it its running
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20:46<cesurasean1>let me try purge
20:46<rnd_name>is data recovery/undelete available on a ext2/3 filesystem?
20:46<abrotman>it depends which it is
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20:48<rnd_name>ok... which would make it more dificult?
20:48<cesurasean1>nope, same problem
20:48<bja>cesurasean1: try grep postgres /etc/passwd
20:49<rnd_name>heh. nice link. someone told me it would be impossible with a journaling FS
20:49<cesurasean1>looks fine to me
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20:50<bja>locklace: do this links work also for a reiserfs, My guess is i need different tools
20:50<locklace>cesurasean1: been too long since i used postgres. it should have a log file, what does it say?
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20:51<cesurasean1>2009-04-23 19:47:52 CDT LOG: could not load root certificate file "root.crt": no SSL error reported
20:51<cesurasean1>2009-04-23 19:47:52 CDT DETAIL: Will not verify client certificates.
20:51<cesurasean1>2009-04-23 19:47:52 CDT LOG: database system was shut down at 2009-04-23 19:47:50 CDT
20:51<locklace>bja: some of the tools are largely fs-independent, others not
20:51<cesurasean1>2009-04-23 19:47:52 CDT LOG: autovacuum launcher started
20:51<cesurasean1>2009-04-23 19:47:52 CDT LOG: database system is ready to accept connections
20:51<cesurasean1>2009-04-23 19:47:52 CDT LOG: incomplete startup packet
20:51<cesurasean1>those are all of my logs that I'm working with, and I can't figure it out.
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20:51<cesurasean1>I don't really think it should be broken anyhow.
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20:52<cesurasean1>postgres should have upgraded correctly with the upgrade to lenny
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20:53<cesurasean1>can someone logs this as a bug in the system for me? I don't really know how yet. :(
20:53<locklace>maybe it's having some problem writing its local socket (but if so it should tell you clearly in the log). you could try connecting to it a different way, e.g. tcp port (might require different config/startup options)
20:53<cesurasean1>yeah, I think it can't write the socket too
20:53<smackeydo>I've installed debian 5.0.1 from dvd using all defaults and guided partitioning using whole hd, but when it goes to boot up after the grub screen it says (read copy adn paste at url)
20:54<locklace>check the ownership/permissions on /var/run/postgresql
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20:55<cesurasean1>when I look in /var/run/postgresql, all I see is a file called .s.PGSQL.5433
20:55<cesurasean1>the error when I do psql says .s.PGSQL.5432
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20:56<locklace>smackeydo: er, that's weird
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20:57<cesurasean1>ALERT! /devhda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
20:57<cesurasean1>it should be looking for /dev/hda1
20:57<locklace>smackeydo: what kind of drive/fs is the root filesystem
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20:58<smackeydo>I have a theory about why its not working
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20:58<eldowan>yesterday I did aptitude safe-upgrade for the first time since lenny's release. Now when I maximize a window in KDE, it expands across both screens instead of only filling one screen. Is there a way to fix this?
20:59<smackeydo>mount point /media/disk
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21:00<smackeydo>is there a way I can change the mount point to / ?
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21:01<bja>locklace: It's ALIVE!!
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21:02<bja>locklace: Then its something with Mandriva I know its booting process its somewhat more graphical
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21:03<smackeydo>locklace: its a normal hd
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21:04<eldowan>smackeydo: if you mount another device at / you will loose access to what is currently at /
21:04<bja>smackeydo: Cool down I just survived the same message a few days ago.
21:05<smackeydo>really, hope you worked it out :D
21:05<bja>Sackeydo: type df -h and paste the / partition
21:05<bja>smackeydo: I'm writing from the same machine
21:06<smackeydo>it type that after it fails to boot right? and what am I actually pasting?
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21:06<smackeydo>oh, that was for sacke
21:06<bja>try booting from your previous kernel image
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21:06<smackeydo>no, this is a fresh install adn its doing that
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21:07<smackeydo>not once have I been able to get into debian
21:07<cesurasean1>how are you partitioning? with defaults?
21:07<smackeydo>guided - full disk
21:07<cesurasean1>it looks like it's wrote /devhda1 instead of /dev/hda1
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21:08<bja>The problem i had is that i runned out of space on / partition and when it tried to decompress the image it didn't do it properly
21:08<smackeydo>over a 100gigs of space, dont think thats my problem
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21:09<bja>do you have a single partition
21:09<smackeydo>its 2 really, 1 for the swap
21:09<smackeydo>I used the guided install
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21:10<bja>insert dvd disk and try the recovery option reinstalling the kernel, it should do the trick, unless your image is also damaged :(
21:10<bja>before that
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21:11<bja> use a recovery disk and look at /boot/grub/menu.lst and check that missing /dev/hda1
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21:11<dean>I cannot get X working
21:12<dean>startx just goes to a blank screen with no terminal and I can't switch back to a text console
21:12<smackeydo>cesurasean1: I just noticed that, /devhda1, wtf
21:12<djc>dean, ctrl-alt-backspace
21:12<dean>Xfbdev says "no screens"
21:12<djc>will kill the X session
21:12<djc>if all you get is a black screen how are you running Xfbdev?
21:13<cesurasean1>yeah, you told me it said /devhda1
21:13<cesurasean1>it should be /dev/hda1
21:13<dean>I rebooted so I am at the console again
21:13<smackeydo>so, can i fix that?
21:13<cesurasean1>that's your problem
21:13<dean>I didn't think of trying Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
21:13<dean>Then I tried Xfbdev
21:13<djc>dean, er, yeah, if you rebooted then X wont be running
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21:13<djc>generally, you have to run something from within X for it to be able to access it
21:14<cesurasean1>have you tried the graphic installer?
21:14<dean>I know that but I can't start Xorg or Xfbdev
21:14<smackeydo>dont think so
21:14<cesurasean1>or is that the one you used?
21:14<dean>sudo Xfbdev at the console
21:14<djc>what video card do you have
21:14<cesurasean1>I think it's a bug if it's happening with defaults
21:14<smackeydo>no, I used the first install option
21:14<djc>you arent going to be able to run X programs from a text console
21:14<dean>Xfbdev is an X program
21:15<dean>It says 'Linux framebuffer X server'
21:15<dean>in the aptitude description
21:15<cesurasean1>smakeydo, it probably has something to do with your hardware maybe.
21:15<djc>what video card do you have
21:15<djc>Intel what?
21:15<cesurasean1>I've installed lenny just fine.
21:15<gravity>You probably don't want Xfbdev
21:15<smackeydo>i have a msi motherboard and intel 3.0
21:15<djc>What model of Intel graphics do you have
21:16<smackeydo>geforce 7200
21:16<cesurasean1>repartition and make sure it's not writing /devhda1 instead of /dev/hda1
21:16<djc>Thats not intel, thats nvidia
21:16<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
21:16<gravity>dean: You're running unstable, correct?
21:16<dean>Intel mobile GM965
21:16<dean>yes I am running unstable
21:16<dean>how did you know
21:16<smackeydo>should I use the graphical install?
21:16<bja>smackeydo: Try rebooting your computer, when grub appears type e over your kernel image, it will let you edit the cmdline arguments for the kernel, you can fix it there.
21:16<gravity>dean: Xfbdev isn't in testing yet
21:16<gravity>dean: And you probably ran in to one of the many intel bugs
21:16<djc>I think Ive got two different people confused
21:17<bja>smackeydo: After that you'll have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
21:17<djc>smackeydo, you have an nvidia card, what are you trying to do?
21:17<gravity>dean: You can try using the vesa driver, or if you're running 2.6.29 or above you can try using UXA instead of EXA
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21:17<djc>dean, why are you using unstable?
21:17<smackeydo>just use debian djc
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21:17<dean>what is "debian djc"
21:18<smackeydo>is geforce a no no for debian?
21:18<DarkJimmy>hi all
21:18<djc>smackeydo, oh you're the one with the missing /dev/hda1 or something
21:18<smackeydo>what are you trying to do? -> just use debian..
21:18<djc>smackeydo, I was asking dean what video card he had, not you
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21:19<smackeydo>ok, so press e on grub, and edit menu.lst
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21:20<DarkJimmy>I got a slight problem with my install, maybe someone can help? I installed usplash, I thought it'd look pretty, and it locked me out of the system..
21:20<bja>smackeydo: press e on grup, options to edit cmdline params for the kernel will show up, after that fix the part for the /dev/hda1 part and boot
21:20<smackeydo>change /devhda1 to /dev/hda1
21:20<bja>press b
21:20<bja>what is happening initrd is waiting for the rest of the kernel and it is not showing up
21:21<en3rgy>cheers guys.. could anyone explain why at start( kde 4.2.2) the start sound is playing and after that i get no sound but a notification ALC 888 analog failed reverting to default..or something like that..
21:21<en3rgy>i have rebuilded alsa with m-a
21:21<en3rgy>same problem
21:21<smackeydo>oh this is going to be fun, editing a text file in a command window, ya
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21:22<DarkJimmy>I can't even access tty's wth..
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21:22<smackeydo>going to give it a try
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21:23<bja>smackeydo: Good luck need to go
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21:24<DarkJimmy>can anyone help?
21:25<adb>DarkJimmy: do same things as smackeydo : edit grub , remove usplash
21:25<adb>read above
21:25<DarkJimmy>adb: how? I can't access any tty even
21:25<adb>or reboot in old kernel
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21:26<adb>s/in/ with
21:26<DarkJimmy>in dumb-term, please?
21:27<adb>no , at grub boot
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21:28<DarkJimmy>if it's not in the grub menu, any other way to boot off it?
21:28<adb>it is
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21:29<DarkJimmy>'s not, was removed
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21:29<adb>[03:24:33] <adb> or reboot in old kernel
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21:30<DarkJimmy>I've only got 2 lines and one is for xp
21:30<adb>DarkJimmy: running what ?
21:31<DarkJimmy>hold on a sec, I'm trying to figure out a way to explain this mess
21:31<adb>use a rescue live cd , to fix grub
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21:37<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:38<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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21:42<Silicium01>Do you guys know if 3G sticks work on linux laptops?
21:43<Silicium01>you know... the mobile internet thing that they came up with recently
21:43<DarkJimmy>some do
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21:44<EagleScreen>i think networkmanager 0.7 has 3g support
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21:45<Silicium01>I want to buy a laptop and have 3g intenet on it, but dont know which laptop will have less issues with wireless, webcam and 3g.
21:45<Silicium01>I wish there was a list of recommended models
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21:46<DarkJimmy>I've an aspire one 150, comes with linux, optional 3g card
21:47<DarkJimmy>I did not grab it with the card, but I guess it works
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21:48<Silicium01>DarkJimmy, and wireless and webcam works well?
21:49<DarkJimmy>had to build wifi drivers from source, it was an atheros ar5007 chipset
21:49<DarkJimmy>the madwifi drivers do it well
21:49<DarkJimmy>webcam works out the box
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22:11<girl>hi again ,,, salam kenal
22:12<girl>hi !!!
22:14<xwindowcrash>hi salam kenal jugak =))
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22:16<DarkJimmy>how can I swap the gnome screensaver daemon for de xscreensaver?
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22:17<obyn>i've got issues with gnome-panel in squeeze, it hogs up all cpu.. i've checked the but couldn't find anything appropriate.. i've got a strace dump if anyone's interested?
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22:22<obyn>hmm, it seems the problem went away when i removed the clock applet and added it again
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22:23<cookie>good evening everyone
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22:24<DarkJimmy>hello cookie
22:24<xwindowcrash>morning cookie
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22:33<smackeydo>3 times I've installed debian and all 3 times it does this
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22:34<smackeydo>I dont know how it can say the drive doesnt exist, it installed it,
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22:34<diego>hi there, do you know what is a good value for swap (si / so) in vmstat
22:34<diego>in a mysql server
22:34<diego>I want to know what value would sound high to you
22:34<diego>like 10, 100, 1000
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22:37<smackeydo>I even press 'e' at grub and change the dev/hda1 to dev/sda1
22:38<smackeydo>and it still didnt work
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22:38<Zviper>how can i find out what is running on a specific port?
22:38<abrotman>fuser or lsof
22:39<obyn>diego: swap is always abdicable
22:39<abrotman>diego: depends how you're running vmstat
22:39<abrotman>!am i swapping
22:39<dpkg>run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping
22:39<obyn>Zviper: or, iftop, if you wan't "top-like" display
22:39<obyn>no wait, i think i just lied.
22:40<obyn>Zviper: ignore that. lsof is your friend
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22:40<Zviper>well, im trying to find out what's running on port 443 as my apache service won't start because something else is running on it
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22:41<rnd_name>could a bad ide cable cause a kernel panic?
22:41<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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22:43<Zviper>ah got it, lsof did the trick thank you
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22:44<Zviper>uh quick question, where does a ssl certificate normally save to?
22:44<Zviper>or is that specific?
22:46<smackeydo>newb installing debian here, after following defaults and guided partitioning, after grub it doesnt boot saying this no way this is my fault, it is its job to set this stuff up
22:46<obyn>Zviper: netstat -nepal --inet | grep 443
22:47<Zviper>nothing happened when i ran that
22:47<obyn>then nothing is listening on inet:443 (ipv4)
22:47<obyn>Zviper: try netstat -nepal | grep LISTEN
22:48<Zviper>oh i think you misunderstood
22:48<Zviper>i resolved the problem of something running on port 443
22:48<obyn>probably.. i'm tired as hell. :)
22:48<Zviper>i don't remember the path to my ssl cert i made
22:49<jrabbit>smackeydo: your grub config is wrong
22:49<Zviper>that's what i'm trying to find
22:49<obyn>Zviper: when did you create it?
22:49<jrabbit>your disk is at /devsda
22:49<Zviper>earlier today
22:49<jrabbit>smackeydo: use your debian cd and go into rescue mode
22:49<adb>/dev/sda1 ...
22:50<jrabbit>select the Root partitino and chroot into it (you jsut select it)
22:50<obyn>Zviper: and.. if you followed some guide, it's most probably inside /etc somewhere... try "find /etc -iname "*.pem"
22:50<obyn>oh, an extra " there
22:50<jrabbit>smackeydo: then you can just edit the /boot/grub stuff to the correct disk
22:50<jrabbit>or do the grub install command for the CORRECT disk
22:50<Zviper>found it thanks so much!!
22:51<jrabbit>smackeydo: out of curiosity how did you coyp paste that?
22:51<smackeydo>shouldnt it work if i press 'e' at the grub and changed dev/hda1 to dev/sda1? because I did that and it didnt work
22:51<obyn>Zviper: when you know the basic utilities.. everything just becomes so easy.. :)
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22:51<jrabbit>That may or may not fix the problem
22:51<smackeydo>I hand wrote it
22:51<obyn>Zviper: lsof, find, grep... and so on..
22:51<jrabbit>reinstall grub with the proper stuff... WILL.
22:52<smackeydo>I did rescue and reinstalled grub and it was the same thing
22:52<jrabbit>smackeydo: eeh you might have the system configured wrong a reinstall might fix it I'm not sure what exactly caused it then
22:52<bcw>i left my pc unattended and when i got back, instead of the new wide unlock prompt i got one without a "Leave Message" button. it looked odd but i typed my password anyway, then i got a black screen with a white corner, and it hung. do you think i've been compromised?
22:52<jrabbit>smackeydo: if you didn't set the root correctly... it might not of helped
22:52<smackeydo>I could try editing the menu.lst but when I'm usign the ubuntu livecd it tells me I dont have permission to edit it
22:52<jrabbit>bcw: lol.
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22:53<jrabbit>bcw: its morelikely that your WM crashed or had a screensaver problem
22:53<jrabbit>bcw: if you think you might have a true security issue you can use Tiger and other tools to check for irregularities
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22:54<bcw>jrabbit, ok, thanks.. i just wondered why the password prompt worked but then it failed
22:54<jrabbit>bcw: I'd just fiddle with the screensaver stuff maybe
22:54<jrabbit>I'm sure you can have it test the scren saver and see if it accepts your PW
22:55<obyn>smackeydo: have you tried running the live cd, and then mount your hard drive (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt) and then edit /mnt/boot/menu.lst and changed hda to sda?
22:55<Zviper>obyn: yeah true say. any idea how to get my php working over ssl? it keeps on asking me to download the file rather than actually viewing it. i came across this problem a while ago and solved it, but i have no recollection of how i did it
22:55<smackeydo>if i'm using ubuntu livecd to edit menu.lst, how do i get access to edit file if it tells me I dont have permission?
22:55<jrabbit>smackeydo: uhhh... I'd suggest you chroot it. i don't know if ubuntu cd's have a recorvery console in them
22:55<bcw>jrabbit, well, i tried locking the screen manually (after reboot) and the prompt's back to normal
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22:56<obyn>Zviper: depends on your setup.. if your php module isn't globally loaded, but rather inside different virtualhosts.. you have to add contenthandler to the https virtualhost file
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22:56<jrabbit>bcw: well I guess it's a b ug in.. gnome?
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22:56<obyn>Zviper: but i -think- if you use a2enmod php??? it should load globally..
22:57<Zviper>it claims that it's already loaded
22:57<Zviper>when i do a2enmod php5
22:57<jrabbit>smackeydo: soemthing liek that
22:57<smackeydo>looking at it
22:57<jrabbit>I highly suggest you use DEBIAN materials because of the ability to reinstal cirtain bits
22:57<jrabbit>right now you're stuck :P
22:57<obyn>Zviper: hmm.. have you configured different vhosts? or everything in one file?
22:57<Zviper>obyn: application/x-httpd-php, is this the right file type for php?
22:58<Zviper>everything is one
22:58<obyn>Zviper: i think so.. i havn't got everything in my head.. i tend to use google alot :)
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22:58<obyn>Zviper: can you put the file on some pastbin site so i can review it?
22:59<obyn>or just dcc send it if it contains "secret" stuff :)
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22:59<Zviper>yeah what exactly am i pasting?
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23:00<obyn>Zviper: its nothing "topsecret" just your domain name and stuff..
23:00<obyn>Zviper: but i don't know how paranoid you are :)
23:00<smackeydo>chroot /mnt/hda1 will give me the permission I need to edit the menu.lst ? !
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23:01<Zviper>no i know, it's not that, it's that im a noob to linux and have no clue how to access what you're asking me to paste
23:01<obyn>smackeydo: naah.. you have to mount it first (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda for example).. and then chroot into it..
23:01<obyn>smackeydo: then you can edit your menu.lst and run update-grub
23:02<obyn>Zviper: oh.. maybe you should read some "setting up apache with ssl guide in debian" or such?
23:02<smackeydo>say... why do you need to chroot anyway
23:02<smackeydo>like its not even running, why does it say you need permission
23:02<Zviper>obyn: i've done that all, ever since i rebooted it's been all fucked up, and the webmin i have installed isn't helping either
23:02<obyn>Zviper: try googling that and see if you find anthing appropriate.. "debian apache2 ssl php howto" maybe
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23:03<obyn>Zviper: i don't like tools like webmin.. they tend to destroy more than help in the end..
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23:03<Zviper>obyn: in this case it has clearly demonstrated that
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23:04<obyn>Zviper: have you configured your web server a lot? otherwise, why not uninstall apache and php.. and start from the beginning, following a good guide..?
23:04<obyn>Zviper: i'll see if i can find anything good for you if that's an option..
23:04<smackeydo>alright, I'll try to chroot in... whats chroot anyway?
23:05<smackeydo>change root?
23:05<obyn>smackeydo: chroot changes "root directory" so that if you do "chroot /dev/sda1" after you mount'ed it.. / is now your hard drive instead of the ubuntu live cd
23:05<obyn>somewhat simplified :)
23:05<obyn>and update-grub needs to be run while chroot'ed
23:05<smackeydo>so, they debian will start running?
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23:06<obyn>smackeydo: i don't know.. i'm not so sure of what your problem really is.. i haven't been following your whole problem discussion.. :/
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23:07<penpen>smackeydo: chroot will only change the root directory for that terminal session..its just so you can run programs from within that environment, like update-grub or editing menu.lst
23:07<obyn>smackeydo: if you describe in short what you've done and what's not going as planned?
23:07<obyn>maybe i can help
23:07<smackeydo>fresh install of debain, using defaults and guided partitoin, wont boot after grub screen
23:08<smackeydo>persumably because of bad menu.lst setting
23:08<jrabbit>jsut means you didn't read somethign probably
23:08<obyn>smackeydo: you can partly use this guide:
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23:08<obyn>smackeydo: in the installation process... it detected your hard drive as sda1, right?
23:09<obyn>"no" ?
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23:09<smackeydo>i dont really remember, but I think it was hda
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23:11<obyn>smackeydo: hm, when you boot up.. and in the grub screen.. have you tried different settings? (ie. both hda1 and sda1) ?
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23:12<obyn>i'm stupid
23:12<obyn>oh, he disappeared
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23:13<Zviper>what does this mean?
23:13<Zviper>NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
23:13<Zviper> failed!
23:13<obyn>Zviper: exactly what it says ;)
23:13<Zviper>true, what must i do to fix it?
23:13<obyn>Zviper: here's some reading for you;
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23:18<Zviper>where are the virtualhosts located?
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23:20<Zviper>there's not much in that guide that can fix my problem
23:21<Zviper>since i've already followed it
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23:24<obyn>Zviper: /etc/apache2/vhosts.d/
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23:24<obyn>Zviper: yes there is.. in the bottom of the article you see a sample virtualhosts section..
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23:27<Zviper>ok the vhosts.d doesn't exist, but it doesn't matter because i found it and copied the sample vhosts into mine now i get two of the same error
23:27<obyn>when smackey comes in, can someone tell him that during the installer, he has to choose / as mount point for his harddrive.. not /media/sda1.. i have to go to bed now.. :)
23:27<bcw>Zviper, afaik, the default sites are in /etc/apache2/sites-available
23:28<bcw>one of those files is probably where the VirtualHost is... in my experience with apache on debian
23:28<obyn>bcw: you're right.. i was confused cause i've been (unfortunately) messing around a bit with redhat servers recently
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23:29<bcw>obyn, ah condolences ;)
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23:30<obyn>bcw: hehe, will you tell smackey the things i wrote a couple of lines up if he comes in?
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23:31<obyn>its 5.30 am here.. sleep time++
23:31<bcw>sure, if i'm here at the time
23:31<obyn>cool, nighty night!
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23:33<paul_5666>hi all, im on etch at the moment, can't upgrade to lenny because plesk wont like it. does anyone know which command i use to do a system-wide of everything?
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23:36<bcw>paul_5666, a system-wide? what do you mean by that?
23:36<paul_5666>bew: i mean, upgrade everything i can, just not from etch to lenny
23:37<jello>paul_5666: apt-get upgrade
23:37<jello>without dist-upgrage
23:37<jello>and remove lenny from /etc/apt/sources.list
23:37<adb> remove lenny ?
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23:37<jello>ie, you should only have oldstable/etch
23:37<jello>not stable/lenny
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23:38<jello>btw, what's plesk?
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23:39<bcw>and if you have to update sources.list, also do an apt-get update too... correct, jello?
23:39<bcw>before the upgrade, i think
23:39<paul_5666>ok cheers
23:39<jello>yes, apt-get update first
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23:40<adb>paul_5666: plesk is a debian package?
23:40<paul_5666>adb: im not sure, but ive alrdy updated that through its own updater
23:41<penpen> plesk is a control panel
23:41<penpen>3rd party
23:41<adb>judd: version plesk
23:41<judd>adb: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot.
23:41<adb>judd: versions plesk
23:41<judd>adb: plesk --
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23:42<penpen>im pretty sure youd have to get plesk from their website..
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23:43<paul_5666>ok, it worked, looked liek tis all updated
23:47<paul_5666>thanks for all your help
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