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00:08<Zviper>anyone have any expirence with torrentflux?
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00:55<FoxM>Hi. I have an Intel 3945 wireless card in a Debian Testing (kernel 2.6.26 686) I installed the firmware-iwlwifi... but still the KNetworkManager does not show any wireless device... What can I do?
00:55<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch> <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @
00:56<FoxM>jello: Thanks. The module is already loaded...
00:57<jello>FoxM: check the wiki page, i don't know much about iwlwifi personally...
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00:59<FoxM>I followed the wiki pages. Activated the card, installed the firmware package, added the user to netdev group, reboot.... and still, although the module is loaded, the interface wlan0 looks up and running, NetworkManager does not detect it
00:59<jello>phooey on networkmanager
00:59<jello>does iwconfig show it?
00:59<FoxM>wait wait!...
01:00<dpkg>If noone has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about debian, linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Also see <repeat> and <ask>
01:00<FoxM>I don't know what I did... but it is working!
01:00<jello>FoxM: happy to help :)
01:00<FoxM>Maybe is the midnight moon or something ;) thanks anyway... maybe it was just a reboot... no idea... will check later ;) thanks!
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01:01<jello>FoxM: good luck!
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01:02<jello>!greet victor_
01:02<dpkg>Hi there, victor_
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01:02<victor_>hi, where your from
01:02<victor_>i-m from mx
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01:05<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an MTA where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico.
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01:31<wallpapper>Hi to all!
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01:35<wallpapper>I would like ask somebody's if could help me with WIFI connection on my notebook ASUS A6U model A6000 with cpu SEMPRON and wifi BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
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01:36<jm_>!tell wallpapper about wifi
01:37<wallpapper>can you help me somehow, please?
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01:37<jm_>read what dpkg told you
01:37<wallpapper>dpkg? what's that?
01:38<wallpapper>debian packaging?
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01:39<jm_>you got a message in your IRC client, maybe you should get familiar with that first
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01:39<wallpapper>I have troubles with this - wifi is enabled (yelow led of wifi is lightning), but no possibility to find some other wifi connections in near (I am sitting by my router)
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01:42<wallpapper>where I have message in my IRC? If you mean right this conversation with Remi, this is for nothing, because after this is still malfunction my wifi connection
01:43*jm_ sighs
01:43<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <rt2x00>, <rt28xx>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
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01:45<wallpapper>I can tell about wifi: BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
01:46<jm_>ask dpkg about b43
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01:49<Prathibha>How can I add a new top level menu like Applications?
01:50<jm_>man update-menus
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01:52<wallpapper>think you I didn't tried it? yes! But wrong result
01:52<wallpapper>wifi is lightning, but malfunction
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01:53<wallpapper>my wifi is a bit specific.. but with mandriva it was OK, why not in debian?
01:54<wallpapper>BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
01:54<wallpapper>I have original driver from windows for use here on desktop..
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01:55<wallpapper>but what do with this.. I don't know..
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01:58<bcw>heh.. Joey Hess appears to thank himself in man update-menus
01:58<chealer>wallpapper: just ask your question
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02:03<ml->any oftc staff members in here?
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02:07<chealer>ml-: if you're looking for OFTC staff, try... #oftc
02:08<ml->chealer: yes i'm there thought maybe they didn't notice thanks
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02:08<ml->and one of them might in here
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02:25<trbs>anybody has experience with this bug ? i'm hitting it on a debian etch (2.6.18) production imap server
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02:25<jm_>no-one sane is using reiserfs
02:26<trbs>let me guess now comes the mandatory jailbait filesystem joke
02:26<jm_>let me see? no
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02:28<trbs>this server has been running for many years now and the original installers made it reiserfs, i'm just wandering if people know about this and if there's a reason the patch as described for 2.6.15 did not make it into the kernel
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02:29<jm_>you'll need to ask that on lkml
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02:30<trbs>debian would not add such a bugfix to it's patch list for the kernel ?
02:30<jm_>but the real problem remains even with that patch, it just prevents the panic, for me that's a good enough reason not to merge it
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02:30<jm_>to be honest, I have no idea how debian kernel team decides which patches to use
02:31<trbs>true reasonable so it's not a 'fix' as such more like a workaround...
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02:32<jm_>perhaps you should also look at changes to reiserfs in more up to date kernels
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02:34<trbs>i've been looking at more recent kernels (2.6.24) and patches to reiserfs that went into them compared to 2.6.18 ... there appearent no changes to this specific piece of code and i could not find references that it was fixed in another way... but that might be the case...
02:34<jm_>sure, but how about the bug that's causing these "hidden" names - perhaps that was fixed?
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02:36<trbs>yeah could be... (i hope so in any case :) but from the changelists and some code-diff's i looked at still now i could find nothing that sticked out like a fix for this..
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02:37<trbs>I'll keep on looking, but my main recommendation wlll probably be to investing the time to upgrade to lenny and move away from the reiserfs filesystems to something like xfs or ext3...
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02:41<trbs>thanks for the help jm_
02:41<dmp>Hi chan
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02:41<jm_>trbs: you should really ask on lkml, there's some suse feller who is still in charge of supporting reiserfs
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02:42<trbs>jm_, okey i will... i'm normally a developer here... so to be honest i cannot wait to get this sysadmin assignment over with :)
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02:43<jm_>trbs: have you considered moving away from reiserfs?
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02:44<p4co>Hi, i'm troubleling for 2 days trying to configure hostbased aah authentication
02:44<p4co>can one of you help me?
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02:44<trbs>yeah like i said above i'll recommend the preferred sollution as taking a little bit more downtime upgrading the box to lenny and move another filesystem like xfs (that would seems to fit the workload of the box quite well) or otherwise ext3
02:45<jm_>good choice ;)
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03:03<FoxM>Hi. I made the mistake of installing splashy and now with the update of hal, everything is messed up. aptitude asks me to reinstall hal, but I cannot do it. I managed to remove splashy, though, but I cannot reinstall / install / remove hal
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03:06<kingsley>FoxM: What error message(s) do you see, if any?
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03:08<FoxM>kingsley: something around the lines of "error processing hal --remove: the pre-removal script returned error code 1. The package is in a very bad and inconsistent state - must reinstall"
03:08<jm_>check bts, debug the script
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03:09<FoxM>kingsley: (sorry if it is not the literal message, the system is in spanish)
03:09<kingsley>FoxM: Have you searched Google's indices for the error message?
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03:09<kingsley>FoxM: and the command that reported it?
03:10*kingsley needs to go soon...
03:10<FoxM>kingsley: ok... thanks... I will check for the error message...
03:11<mart_n>Trying to build a pilot for my wireless connection I have to pass the following make command : make -C /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build M=`pwd`
03:11<mart_n>But there isn't any build/ directory in .../2.6.26-2-amd64/ ?? So it does not work (no suprise). I'm not used to compile pilots so I don't know if there are regularities in the process... if so, I'm looking for clues!
03:11<kingsley>FoxM: You're welcome. Good luck.
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03:11<jm_>mart_n: and debian doesn't have support for your wifi card?
03:12<mart_n>no... I'm ashamed to say it's an apple...
03:12<jm_>which chipset is it?
03:12<jm_>ok, do /msg dpkg b43, see if it's supported first
03:13<mart_n># /msg dpkg b43
03:13<mart_n>bash: /msg: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type (no file or directory)
03:13<jm_>in your IRC client
03:13<mart_n>doesn't seem
03:13<jm_>wait I'll do it
03:13<jm_>what does lspci say for it?
03:14<jm_>use lspci -nn
03:14<mart_n>02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03)
03:14<mart_n>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4328] (rev 03)
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03:15<jm_>yup, unfortunatelly the page says not supported
03:15<mart_n>I follow the
03:15<mart_n>so there is noting to do??!
03:15<jm_>well what's this pilot thing you're talking about?
03:16<mart_n>it's to be compiled
03:16<jm_>mart_n: you need kernel headers
03:16<mart_n>where do I get these ;-)
03:17<mart_n>apt-get install linux-headers or something like it I suppose...
03:17<jm_>the package is called linux-headers-foo, where foo is the one that matches your running kernel (uname -r)
03:17<mart_n>cool! thanks jm_. I just passed from Ubuntu, and I'm pleased to be in this room
03:17<jm_>no worries
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05:49<konasa>anyone here?
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05:56<konasa>can anyone say what this is... I am new to this enviornment...
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05:57<stephen>Hi guys.. I have a problem that my BNX2 isnt showing 1000mbps in mii-tool
05:57<stephen>I upgraded an etch system with a lenny kernel.. due to the the kernel having issues with the RAID controller..
05:57<stephen>and had to install the firmware manually..
05:58<stephen>The card works.. its just not seeing 1000mbps
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05:58<stephen>eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok
05:58<stephen> capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
05:58<stephen> advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control
05:58<stephen> link partner: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control
05:58<ScottSteiner>Is there a way to show all installed packages, including their disk usage?
06:00<jm_>ScottMashuyuan: yes
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06:04<jm_>aptitude -F '%p %I' search '~i'
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06:06<vitamin4o1>yeah :) this is cool :)
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06:07<ScottSteiner>thanks jm_, is there a way to sort it by size rather than alphabetically?
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06:09<ffws>ScottSteiner: aptitude -O installsize -F '%p %I' search '~i'
06:09<ffws>ScottSteiner: its all in the man page...
06:11<binarymutant>anyone know what application includes this binary: mzscheme3m ? I'm trying to compile fluxus but having difficulty finding mzscheme3m
06:12<jm_>!tell binarymutant -about search
06:13<binarymutant>plt-scheme has mzscheme but not mscheme3m :/
06:14<jm_>try changing your call to use that
06:14<binarymutant>will try, thanks jm_
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07:13<fw1>Hello, I am looking to build a custom netboot kernel and initrd, anyone know where i can find documentation on how it is created
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07:18<locklace>fw1: what is a "netboot kernel"
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07:20<jm_>locklace: check in the netboot dir for d-i
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07:22<fw1>locklace, there is a kernel and initrd for network installs, I want to build a custom kernel for the core i7 xeon i have
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07:23<locklace>fw1: ok, but that doesn't involve doing anything specific to the kernel afaict
07:23<fw1>true, i thought thought there would be a set of build scripts
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07:24<fw1>i guess more to the point, how do i build the initrd for the netboot
07:25<locklace>fw1: well assuming there's no netboot-specific kernel config involved, just build the kernel as usual, you can use make-kpkg to make a debian package out of it which will include the initrd if you say --initrd
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07:25<fw1>locklace, i think there is as it runs the installer
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07:26<locklace>ok, there's probably some tool for building those then, not sure what it is
07:26<fw1>google isn't being much help finding it
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07:27<jm_>d-i wiki has docs about custom builds
07:27<locklace>fw1: maybe this is of some use,
07:28<fw1>locklace, i think that is what i want! thanks
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07:42<locklace>anyone have fbcon working? opens on /dev/fb0 are returning ENXIO even though the fb drivers are loaded
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08:13<usolore>I have a .sql file with a dump of all my mysql databases ( mysqldump --all-databases). Now I'd like to import only *one* table from *one* database. Is there a simple way to do that ?
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08:16<atheuz>How do i reconnect to detached screens?
08:16<atheuz>in PuTTy
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08:17<ghantoos>atheuz: screen -x name_of_your_screen
08:17<ghantoos>atheuz: to list your screens: screen -ls
08:17<atheuz>just a sec
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08:21<atheuz>well it worked ghantoos but it presented a different problem
08:21<atheuz>one i was afraid might happen; I need to screen a program, it won't function without PuTTY being on my main account rather than the root or something
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08:25<ghantoos>atheuz: something like this would help?
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08:26<ghantoos>atheuz: sudo -u atheuz screen -x blabla
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08:27<atheuz>i dont think it matters if im on root
08:27<atheuz>i just logged onto the other account
08:27<atheuz>and opened it there
08:27<atheuz>this is works
08:27<atheuz>thanks for the help.
08:27<atheuz>this works*
08:27<ghantoos>sudo would prevent you from logging as the user
08:28<ghantoos>no prob ;)
08:28<ghantoos>(you still need the sufficient sudo rights)
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08:29<atheuz>i have root
08:29<atheuz>and sudo is retarded for me
08:29<atheuz>never really worked
08:29<danifamous>i have aids. got it from vista.
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08:31<ComradeHaz>Hi all. Is there a know issue with HAL dependencies under 32bit atm?
08:31<Yoda-BZH>gerhard stop that
08:32<ComradeHaz>gerhard: why have you got encryption on?
08:32<ComradeHaz>you just look stuoid
08:32<gerhard>do I?
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08:32<ComradeHaz>lol :)
08:33<gerhard>trying to use the cwirc plugin but i'm lost
08:33<ComradeHaz>well, here's not the place to test it
08:33<ComradeHaz>if you want encrypted messaging though, I suggest KVirc
08:33<pcc>aren't the scripts in /etc/acpi/resume.d supposed to be run when coming out of hibernation? i'm running debian testing here and at least one of them seems not to be ( -- power management level stays at 128; if I run the script manually the PM level is set correctly)
08:33<gerhard>thx and sorry
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08:37<ComradeHaz>Hi all. Is there a know issue with HAL dependencies under 32bit atm?
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08:40<locklace>pcc: i think the way acpi events are handled in current debian is highly confusing
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08:40<locklace>pcc: basically there are about half a dozen different overlapping packages trying to provide suspend/resume functionality
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08:41<jm_>really? which are they?
08:42<bevan>Greetings fellow debian users
08:42<Comma>can anyone tell russian channel on freenode?
08:42<Comma>judd hi
08:42<judd>Comma: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.
08:42<pcc>I see. how do I find which one I am using and where the scripts live for it?
08:43<llutz>pcc: poversaved/pm-utils should be what you're looking for
08:43<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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08:44<locklace>jm_: acpi, acpid, pm-utils, hal, hibernate, uswsusp to name a few
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08:45<pcc>I see. so it would be /etc/pm/sleep.d ? man this really needs to be sorted out
08:45<locklace>pcc: check which of those you have installed, as a start
08:46<jm_>locklace: ahh acpi is generic infrastructure for this, hibernate is just a frontend, never used the rest
08:46<llutz>pcc: also have look into /usr/lib/pm-utils/
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08:46<pcc>locklace: oh, all except uswsusp
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08:47<locklace>pcc: yeah it's very confusing, i was reading a debian-bug thread about it all
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08:48<locklace>pcc: how are you suspending?
08:48<pcc>I found a file /etc/default/acpi-suppot containing 'SUSPEND_METHODS="dbus-pm dbus-hal pm-utils"' does this mean it's actuall going through dbus? how do I find the dbus power management daemon?
08:49<pcc>I hit the hibernate hotkey (actually there isn't one on my laptop so I added a file in /etc/acpi/events to handle another key)
08:49<jm_>the joys of desktop crap
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08:50<locklace>having dbus in the loop seems totally unnecessary to me too
08:50<Comma>can i switch in putty between ttys?
08:50<llutz>Comma: nope, use screen
08:50<jm_>Comma: yes but it only fits between tty 76 and 77
08:50<pcc>well I guess I can change that to just "pm-utils" so at least I know what is going on
08:50<ComradeHaz>Hi all. Is there a know issue with HAL dependencies under 32bit atm?
08:51<themill>locklace: you need a user<->system directional communications route some how. It's better to use dbus than use some other screen-scraping approach to graft on a gui to a text ui
08:51<locklace>themill: right, i just meant if you're not interested in gui hookup
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08:51<locklace>pcc: of course, pm-utiles relies on hal/dbus ... ;)
08:52<themill>locklace: in that case, you can just use "hibernate" or "s2disk" directly.
08:52<jm_>ComradeHaz: did you check BTS?
08:52<jm_>that's what I do, just s2disk/s2ram and I avoid all the mess
08:53<enouf>ComradeHaz: try being more specific
08:53<locklace>themill: ok, my immediate concern is s2ram, so you'd suggest just using s2ram i suppose. but it should be easy to e.g. hook up pressing the laptop suspend key to s2ram
08:53<jm_>looks like iceweasel 3.0.9 is now available for i386 too, a shame that build is not as fast as amd64
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08:54<jm_>locklace: that should be easily achievable using just acpid
08:55<locklace>jm_: i tried to sort out acpid and the /etc/acpi scripts once but found it impenetrable, guess i'll have another look
08:55<shiznatix>Hello. I have had 2 gigs of ram for a while and today added in 2 more but for some reason it only shows 3.5gigs when I check in the system monitor. Whats up with this?
08:56<jm_>shiznatix: you need bigmem kernel
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08:56<dpkg>-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit.
08:57<locklace>furthermore, in the bug thread i was reading there were comments about the stuff in /etc/acpi being deprecated
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09:02<shiznatix>what would be the latest kernel package for lenny that supports bigmem?
09:02<jm_>lenny has only one version really
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09:04<locklace>if it's not enabled in the stock lenny kernel, i guess you get to compile your own
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09:04<themill>judd versions linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem
09:04<judd>themill: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem -- lenny: 2.6.26-15 squeeze: 2.6.26-15
09:04<themill>locklace: ^^ it exists, you just have to install the relevant image
09:04<locklace>ah, that's handy
09:04<ranix>I guess apt-cache search bigmem is too tough
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09:10<shiznatix>ok I installed that kernel. rebooting
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09:15<shiznatix>Ok well I was able to boot up with the bigmem kernel but X wouldn't start with it. I am using the proprietary nVidia drivers so that may have something to do with it but I am not sure where to go from here to get bigmem to work with this
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09:16<locklace>looking at your Xorg.log and any new dmesg output would be a good start
09:16<ghantoos>shiznatix: I have installed nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem
09:17<themill>shiznatix: different kernel == different modules, so you'll need to reinstall the drivers for your new kernel.
09:17<shiznatix>aye ok I installed nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem and will install and see if I can at least start up gdm now
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09:21<shiznatix>well the bigmem kernel and the nvidea bigmem kernel both installed give me 4 gigs of ram and no need to reinstall my video drivers
09:21<shiznatix>super thank you guys. works perfect
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09:30<melkart>the version of preload is ancient in debian (0.4.5) while a much newer version (0.6.4) exists... this has been reported as a bug almost a year ago, yet the package is not being updated. i cant find the package on the wnpp-list, either... is there anything i could or should do about it?
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09:43<valdyn>mentor_: is the new version better?
09:43<valdyn>melkart: is the new version really better?
09:43<petemc>he bounced
09:43<valdyn>i see
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09:47<valdyn>nothing of major importance happened in the releases of preload as far as i can see
09:47<derliebste>i need help please
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09:47<derliebste>could somebody help me
09:47<valdyn>and 'fixes' added to new versions are taken *from* debian for instance
09:48<locklace>derliebste: textbook example of the wrong way to introduce yourself to an irc channel
09:48<derliebste>i am sorry
09:48<derliebste>good morning
09:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
09:49<derliebste>ok i am running ubuntu
09:49<derliebste>i would like to upgrade with 9.04
09:49<Torsten_W>then u are in the wrong channel
09:49<valdyn>derliebste: wrong channel
09:49<Torsten_W>here is #debian, not #ubuntu
09:50<derliebste>what channel should i use then
09:50<Torsten_W>an ubuntu-channel?
09:50<derliebste>give me a name
09:50<derliebste>coz i am new
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10:10<Comma>judd info dnsutils
10:10<judd>Comma: dnsutils (net): is standard; Version: 1:9.5.1.dfsg.P1-2; Size: 140.6k; Installed: 368k -- Clients provided with BIND
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10:15<eldowan>Recently I moved my system drive to a new computer setup, and most things are doing fine. However, my dvd drive is now located at /dev/dvd2 not /dev/dvd (which does not exist). Will doing a ln -s permanently fix this issue of not having /dev/dvd ?
10:16<rumoroka>это русско-язычный канал?
10:17<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:17<EagleScreen>!udev | eldowan
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10:18<eldowan>EagleScreen: thanks
10:18<Comma>How can I get nslookup command?
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10:19<themill>eldowan: check out /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
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10:19<themill>dpkg: tell Comma about search
10:21<eldowan>themill: that looks like exactly what I needed. Thanks a bunch
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10:21<themill>no worries
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10:25<plushka>Why help me&
10:25<k1lumin4t1>anybody running Debian Sid nowadays? I'd like to get some insight on how usable and bearable it is
10:26<llutz>k1lumin4t1: works fine, if you're not using gnome or kde
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10:26<k1lumin4t1>llutz, what happens with gnome/kde?
10:27<k1lumin4t1>llutz, I use kde 4.2 on Debian Testing
10:27<llutz>k1lumin4t1: gnome seems to be broken most of the time, kde just changes from 3.5 to 4.2
10:27<k1lumin4t1>llutz, well I am already in kde 4.2
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10:28<EagleScreen>KDE 4.2 rocks
10:28<NCommander>EagleScreen: +1
10:28<llutz>using kde4.2 but not seeing why it "rocks"
10:28<plushka>I need russian asistance!
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10:29<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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10:31<eldowan>are there still apps that no longer work in kde4?
10:31<plushka>thx for god, What do you have in the world
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10:33<EagleScreen>eldowan: what are you talking about?
10:33<eldowan>EagleScreen: when kde4 first came out, I want to remember that some apps didn't have a kde4 compatible version and so couldn't be used. This may be completely incorrect though.
10:34<themill>They can be used, they just don't integrate as well as you would be used to
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10:35<EagleScreen>some KDE applications are not ported yet to KDE4, as like as kaffeine or k3b, but you can use KDE3 version in KDE4, you can use Gnome applications in KDE4 and you can use Win32 (with wine) applications in KDE4.
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10:37<eldowan>EagleScreen: aaah, one of the reasons i haven't considered switching was the k3b issue. k3b can still be used with kde4 if I understand you correctly.
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10:39<EagleScreen>yes, you will see
10:40<eldowan>Currently I use testing, but haven't done a complete upgrade since before lenny went stable. If I were to do a dist-upgrade to bring my testing to current, all the kde3 aps that haven't been ported to kde4 should still work correctly. Is this the case?
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10:41<EagleScreen>yes all of them will keep working
10:42<EagleScreen>KDE 4.2 is currently in unstable, not in testing
10:42<EagleScreen>if you just update to current testing, you will keep KDE 3.5
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10:42<eldowan>EagleScreen: aah, I must have misread upstream. Thanks for all your insight.
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11:06<nextime>Any know work around / dirty hack for this issue?
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11:18<o-o>nextime, specify the console you want to use last?
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11:23<yusuo>im having a problem whenever i try to manually enter a ip address for my debian my box it forgets it as soon as i close network options, accepting this i tried ifconfig to see my current ip and all i get is command not found, what the hells going on and how can i sort this out
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11:26<Nemoder>yusuo: /sbin/ifconfig or run it as root/sudo
11:27<yusuo>ok so i can see my network info now but it still wont let me manually set the ipaddress
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11:27<Nemoder>don't know why network manager is failing, maybe dhcp overrides it. you can set it manually though, read up on man interfaces
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11:31<eldowan>if your system is using dhcp, and you set a manual ip address, the dhcp address will overwrite your manual settings at least as quick as on the next scheduled renew
11:32<bja>eldowan: the how do you make an ip change static for a certain period of time
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11:32<eldowan>bja: the only method i'm aware of is to edit /etc/network/interfaces and change it there.
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11:34<marcelo>alguem on no chat??
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11:34<bja>eldowan: I didn't mean that static, I mean i need to check a firewall from certain ip, lets say 2 dhcp periods I would need to edit ../interfaces once and then back?
11:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:35<eldowan>bja: i'm not understanding your question
11:36<davi>When will be the etch support officially discontinued?
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11:46<goodger>hello, all... how do I remove a package whose post-install/remove config fails?
11:46<weasel>edit the postinst to not fail
11:47<weasel>they are in var lib dpkg info foo.{post,pre}{inst,rm}
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11:47<goodger>I see
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11:48*themill gives weasel a new / key
11:48<weasel>themill: those spaces represent tabs :)
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11:49<weasel>themill: or question marks
11:49<weasel>that would work too
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11:49<themill>shell dependent... and certainly not with bash
11:49<weasel>(i.e. I'm sure there's a zsh option to make it do that)
11:52<hans>mjt: are you there ?
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11:54<davyg_>hi i have a question, i'm on debian unstable
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11:54<davyg_>i recently install kernel 2.6.29 by clicking in synaptic on all package with 2.6.29(isn't working like that)
11:54<davyg_>well all works perfect but i have a two new kernel : kernel 2.6.29-amd64 and kernel 2.6.29-trunk-amd64
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11:54<davyg_>i don't understand what is the second (and i'm afraid of running it)
11:56<hans>davyg_: why afraid ? just do it
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11:57<hans>if you get smoke, there was something wrong
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12:04<Serega>Hi everybody
12:04<Serega>Can anyone help me adjust printer canon pixma ip1800
12:05<Serega>Where can I get driver in deb, and how install them?
12:06<hans>Serega: gutenprint
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12:07<hans>works very well with my 4500
12:08<hans>what is this ? am i silently banned ?
12:09<Serega>no. Just everybody silent
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12:09<hans>Serega: apt-get install gutenprint
12:10<Serega>is it exist in testing? or I need get it elsewhere and install?
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12:10<Serega>debian:/home/sergey# apt-cache search gutenprint
12:10<Serega>cups-driver-gutenprint - printer drivers for CUPS
12:10<Serega>escputil - maintenance utility for Epson Stylus printers
12:10<Serega>foomatic-db - OpenPrinting printer support - database
12:10<Serega>foomatic-db-engine - OpenPrinting printer support - programs
12:10<Serega>foomatic-db-gutenprint - OpenPrinting printer support - database for Gutenprint printer drivers
12:10-!-Serega was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
12:11<davyg_>hans: well i will try maybe one day but i would prefer know to what it corresponds
12:11<themill>hans: gutenprint isn't the name of the package though
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12:12<themill>dpkg: tell Serega about paste
12:13<hans>themill: what is the name then ?
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12:14<Serega>I did't find gutenprint. Maybe it's from other repository?
12:14<Serega>Currently I use testing
12:14<themill>judd info cups-driver-gutenprint
12:14<judd>themill: cups-driver-gutenprint (graphics): is optional; Version: 5.0.2-4; Size: 982.4k; Installed: 1260k -- printer drivers for CUPS
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12:15<hans>judd: i like that answer!
12:15<judd>hans: Error: "i" is not a valid command.
12:16<themill>hans: judd is a bot
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12:16<hans>what is a bot ?
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12:16*themill considers the wisdom of renaming "judd" to "judd_the_bot"
12:17<bja>judd info bot
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12:17<dpkg>hmm... judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI-Id and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname".
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12:19<StarTrekXI>im using a console music player I feel like a geek
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12:20<davyg_>you are
12:20<hans>i don't understand nothing
12:20<StarTrekXI>wow you understand everything?
12:21<hans>just another philosoph ?
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12:22<Serega>I installed gutenprint. What I nedd to do now?
12:23<Serega>And pluggged printer
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12:24<mjt>hans: yeah? (was afk)
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12:25<hans>mjt: remember yesterday ? undo redirection of stdout to /dev/null. it didn't work
12:26<hans>i'm still looking for a solution
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12:26<jthomas>Anyone know a way to change an installed Debian Sid into a liveCD and install CD? Remastersys is available for Lenny but it doesn't work on Sid; Mondo works for installs but not a liveCD...
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12:28<hans>btw, what is afk ?
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12:29<jthomas>away from keybd
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12:32<mjt>hans: "it didn't work" - please define that
12:32<mjt>how exactly it didn't work
12:33<mjt>the redirection i provided works with bourne shell (/bin/sh and all clones)
12:33<mjt>if it's a python or perl script or C-shell it will not work.
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12:34<mjt>in any way, lets' define how "did not work" and show actuall script (at least the beginning of it with your modifications)
12:34<mjt>and.. it's 20:33 here now, and i'm still in the office. I want to go home :)
12:35<hans>mjt: the file is there, but didn' t do anything on stdout
12:36<mjt>which file is "there" ?
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12:37<hans>exec >> /tmp/myfile; exec 2>&1 then cat /tmp/myfile . that file
12:38<mjt>and what do you expect to be in that file?
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12:38<hans>what i sent to it
12:38<mjt>and what did you sent to it and how?
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12:39<mjt>and how it all is related to your script?
12:39<hans>echo "whatever" > /tmp/myfile
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12:40*mjt is losing patience
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12:41<hans>mjt: sorry for that. why ?
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12:42<mjt>because i want to go home and i can't wait several minutes for an answer which requires only a few secounds to type
12:42<mjt>but it seems you don't even plan to answer.
12:42<hans>mjt: thanks! good night!
12:42<mjt>thanks for what?
12:43<hans>for your patience so far
12:43<mjt>the thing is that it goes nowhere. ie, not useful ;)
12:43<mjt>14:15 < mjt> do this: at the beginning of your script, add a line:
12:43<mjt>14:15 < mjt> exec >/tmp/debug 2>&1
12:43<mjt>14:15 < mjt> set -x
12:43<mjt>14:16 < mjt> and see what's in /tmp/debug
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12:44<mjt>very useful bot.
12:44<ranix>it's meant to keep the chat from becoming a wall of text
12:44<mjt>that was actually wrong - add TWO lines, not one
12:44<ranix>think of it like a style guide
12:45<mjt>well, i know how to use pastebin, and i do use it when appropriate and direct others to use it too. but ok.
12:45<hans>that didn't work either
12:46<mjt>so, yet more time, WHAT IS IN THE FILE (/tmp/debug) and HOW YOUR SCRIPT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE? Please.
12:46<mjt>pastebin is appropriate here ;)
12:47*fxiny is in the queue , waiting
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12:47<mjt>is there a queue here?
12:47<hans>mjt: you're probably right, but i simply don't understand it and that should be all. OK ?
12:48<ranix>there was, but there was too many people in it so we closed the queue
12:48<mjt>hans: right on what? :)
12:48<hans>on everything, will you please stop it now, please
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12:49<fxiny>ranix: too late !
12:49<mjt>ok. as you wish. ;)
12:49<ranix>fxiny: you are in a defuct queue
12:50<fxiny>ranix: i'm touching woods :P
12:50<ranix>I'm touching dpkg
12:51*fxiny wonders if wired will add hans-mjt to the mystery tour
12:51<hans>btw, i don't know how to pastebin
12:51<mjt>hans: so why not to ask?
12:52<mjt>can you cut-n-paste content of your ppp-up file?
12:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
12:52<hans>mjt: i didn't dare, because of your lousy temper
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12:53<ranix>mjt: you are a bit over the top, try not to be so harsh please
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12:53<ranix>hans: what is the problem, again? I tried scrolling up but it has been too long
12:54<mjt>hans: out of curiocity (so i can understand and work around my temper): which one you think is too harch -- the ALL CAPS one or "i can't wait several minutes for an answer which requires only a few secounds" ?
12:55<hans>ranix: thank you. let me concentrate for a minute
12:55<fxiny>ranix: starting from yesterday wired has a "mistery" story , and this one will be next . but we are due for a "preview" ;)
12:55<mjt>ranix: he can't debug ppp/ip-up script
12:55<hans>... and calm down
12:55<mjt>ranix: because its stdout is redirected to /dev/null and there's no way to see it
12:55<hans>me, of course, not you
12:55<mjt>hans: i'm relaxed as a stone, really ;)
12:55<mjt>oh ;)
12:55<ranix>mjt: you say it like debugging a ppp script is the easiest thing since soft spread cream cheese
12:56<mjt>no, i didn't say that
12:56<mjt>i said how to make its output to actually appear, and that IS as easy as adding two exact lines to the beginning of it.
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12:57<mjt>actual debugging may be quite difficult, depending on what the problem is
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12:58<ranix>I have been quite sad since I leant fxiny my soft-spread cream cheese and he didn't give it back yet
12:58<ranix>I heard he gave it to enouf, thinking I did not want it back
12:58<ranix>now I don't even know where it is
12:59<ranix>mwilson might have it
13:00<hans>ranix: in ip-up i want to echo to stdout, but ip-up is invoked by pppd with stdout redirected to /dev/null. i asked for a solution to undo that redirection
13:01<fxiny>ranix: i keep the cream as a bonus , don't cry : ask for a bailout :P
13:01<ranix>apt, start a bailout fiasco
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13:02<fxiny>ranix: do you happen to have some marshmallow ?
13:02<ranix>hans: try checking out this
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13:03<ranix>hans: you simply need to override the pppd redirection
13:03<mjt>oh ma
13:03<mjt>ranix: you're confusing him completely
13:03<hans>ranix: yes, but i don't know how to do that
13:03<ranix>hans: if you read that you will understand why mjt told you what to do
13:04<ranix>hans: it's the most direct path to understanding
13:04<hans>OK, thank you
13:05<ranix>the links there to "understanding exec" are also helpful
13:05<mjt>the problem with *nix is that once you have one problem, you'll have to solve a million of OTHER problems that stays on the way to solve the original one
13:05<ranix>your problem is non-trivial
13:06<mjt>here, instead of thinking why pppd does not work, we're starting learning shell redirections and other constructs.
13:06<ranix>mjt: and along the way you learn to learn
13:06<mjt>but the original issue remains unsolved.
13:06<ranix>mjt: because here in #debian we don't solve problems for you, we help you solve your problem
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13:07<mjt>non-working pppd is enough of a problem by itself :)
13:07<ranix>mjt: we cannot fix your bash script, for example, but we can point you to the correct place to go to learn to fix your bash script
13:07<ranix>if someone wants me to fix their bash script, I charge $75/h
13:08<ranix>if someone wants to learn, well that's a service I provide free of charge ;)
13:08<ranix>I also troll for free
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13:26<vince_>Hello :-)
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13:27<vince_>A nice problem with the sound configuration: all is set to max (alsamixer is @ top) and the sound does not appears to be very "high"
13:27<vince_>I repeat: all scale are set to 100%
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13:28<cahoot>vince_: run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 to set sane mixer levels
13:29<cahoot>vince_: the speaker-test -t wav -c2
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13:30<vince_>speaker-test is working
13:30<cahoot>so sound works
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13:31<vince_>cahoot, yes, sound works
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13:31<Pitxyoki>Is there any way to rebrand the iceweasel and icedove programs as firefox and thunderbird, and use their mozilla icons?
13:31<vince_>But I wonder if there were a "system" manner to multiplicate the volume by, say, 3 or 4
13:32<Pitxyoki>I'm trying to install Debian on a computer for a friend and I'd like to have it as "familiar" to her as possible.
13:32<Pitxyoki>If I could re-rebrand those programs it would be nice.
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13:32<foo_>installing the ubuntu packages might (might!) work
13:33<Pitxyoki>That wouldn't be nice for upgrades.
13:33<fxiny>ubuntu uses mozilla icons ? one more reason to dislike ubuntu
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13:34<vince_>cahoot: I guess there is no manner to do so :-/
13:34<vince_>So, let's go for one other question
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13:35<cahoot>vince_: sorry I totally misunderstood your real issue - no good idea
13:35<vince_>Why the Hell does mplayer give no sound while vlc does?
13:37<cahoot>both output directly to alsa? no intervening layer like esd, artsd, pulseaudio?
13:37<fxiny>vince_: mplayer -af volume=10 ?
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13:39<vince_>fxiny, actually, mplayer say: Audio: no sound
13:39<vince_>(and the movies HAS sound, vlc is working :-) )
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13:39<Pitxyoki>vince_, what do you have selected at the preferences tab for sound?
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13:40<vince_>Pitxyoki, what are you calling the "preferences tab" (imagine me with a huge nice smile ;-) )
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13:40<Pitxyoki>Start mplayer from the menu.
13:41<Pitxyoki>Right-click the player window.
13:41<Pitxyoki>Go to preferences.
13:41<Pitxyoki>Go to the sound tab.
13:41<Pitxyoki>Yes, that should be gmplayer.
13:41<vince_>I am in the pref tab ;-)
13:41<vince_>I've "chosen" alsa
13:41<Rimaille>does anybody know how to change the prefered browser under lxde ?
13:42<Pitxyoki>vince_, clicking "configure driver", does everything look ok?
13:42<fxiny>Rimaille: no idea about lxde : update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
13:42<vince_>default/driver default/driver defaults are chosen, I think that is OK
13:43<vince_>But maybe Xchat / Amarok / Pidgin ... takes the control of the soundcard ..
13:43<Pitxyoki>And the other options there?
13:43<Rimaille>thanks fxiny !
13:43<Rimaille>it worked
13:43<fxiny>Rimaille: np
13:43<Pitxyoki>I only have "Enable Software Mixer" selected, the Coefficent is at 1.0 and the "Audio delay" at 0.00
13:44<vince_>Devive: default, Mixer: default, mixer channel: default
13:44<vince_>I have only this 3 options
13:44<Pitxyoki>I'm talking about the "audio" tab at the preferences window.
13:44<vince_>Oups, sorry
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13:45<vince_>I was triyng do to something... moving from a window to one other... and the sound cames again
13:46<vince_>and he goes :'(
13:46<Pitxyoki>Are you using debian?
13:46<vince_>Nop, windows
13:46<vince_>I AM JOKING!
13:46<vince_>breath! breath!
13:47<EmleyMoor>Got my most awkward to boot box to reboot in a minute or tw,
13:47<vince_>sorry, stupide joke
13:47<Pitxyoki>I was going to ask if you hadn't installed any packages from other sources.
13:47<Pitxyoki>Like debian-multimedia or so.
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13:48<vince_>I try something and go back in just one minute
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13:49*Pitxyoki will use this break to run away!
13:49<Pitxyoki>oh, too late
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13:49<vince_>I use the mutliemedia repository and a special one for VLC
13:49<Pitxyoki>Ok, then I can't tell if you installed anything you shouldn't.
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13:50<fxiny>dmm works fine , could it be "the special one" ?
13:50<vince_>is there any sound server with KDE, like esd or pulseaudio?
13:50<fxiny>arts ?
13:51<Pitxyoki>I'll be back in a while.
13:51*vince_ will use this break to run away! ;-)
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13:51<fxiny>vince_: > 19:37 < cahoot> both output directly to alsa? no intervening layer like esd, artsd, pulseaudio?
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13:52<vince_>actually, vlc is configured to output directly to alsa
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13:52<vince_>(sorry, I haven't seen that question"
13:53<vince_>... I say that, but I'm not sure...
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13:54<bja>any web browser light and extremly secure??
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13:55<fxiny>extremely ?
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13:55<bja>Ok well "secure"
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13:56<vince_>I have juste re-installer my debian, but I kept my old configuration files on my $HOME, and the, there were few configs files for mplayer
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13:57<madsci>bja: wget?
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13:58<bja> madsci: looking for a browser, wget is more a downloader, you can even mirror sites with this little tool. Quite versatile, no rendering although
13:58<fxiny>bja: links2 is fast and light
13:59<fxiny>links2 -g url goes graphic
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13:59<vince_>fxiny, many thanks for your answer (-af volume=10) that's wonderful :-)
13:59<vince_>Et voilà!
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14:00<fxiny>vince_: mplayer -af volume=10 -fs zoom , but you can play with f , man mplayer
14:00<vince_>I was just ignorant of the -af option, I know the rest
14:01<rjent>Greetings, is it ok to mirror against ?
14:01<vince_>I have to go
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14:01<vince_>thank you eveyone
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14:12<rjent>koolman: thanks
14:12<rjent>koollman: thanks
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14:12<bja> Anyone, when using qemu-system-x86_64 on a system that also has kvm and hardware support, will qemu use the hardware support or does kvm has to be started?
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14:15<lodi>anyone got amsn voicecall working?
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14:17<Inten>hello, chilean people?
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14:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:29<danger_>Evening all, is it possible to install lenny on a PIII 866 with 256MB of RAM? Would it be "reasonable" performance wise if I make xfce rather than gnome
14:29<dkr>it would be reasonable without X. :)
14:30<bja>danger_: It surely run, define reasonable?
14:30<fxiny>PII 400 224MB here .X works fine , xmonad gives you the sky
14:30<dkr>but really, it should be usable as long as you are careful with memory, e.g. not running iceweasel and a bunch of other ram hungry apps
14:31<danger_>thanks, would Eclipse run on it?
14:31<fxiny>fluxbox runs , so does kde , lxde is fast enough , i did run gnome in the past
14:31<danger_>sounds like it'll be fine then, thought i might have to get pen drive linux on it or something like that
14:32<dkr>any app will run, just be careful of your total mem used by all apps running
14:32<bja>danger_: Tried ion3?
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14:32<danger_>bja no, only used RHEL / Fedora and Debian
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14:33<bja>fxiny: ION windows manager, keyboard oriented, extremly light and extremly fast
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14:33<fxiny>bja: and what about the author ? is still the same ^
14:33<bja> I think so
14:33<fxiny>bja: running xmonad here :)
14:34<dkr>is there *any* window manager that doesn't let you do all window management features with keyboard? ;)
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14:35<fxiny>dkr: fluxbox is quite nice
14:35<dkr>that is, what makes it keyboard oriented?
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14:35<fxiny>i moved to xmonad in lenny
14:36<wnd>fvwm2. there are so many options that it's not practical to have them all bound to keyboard shortcuts. ;-)
14:36<dkr>fxiny: yeah, i switched to fluxbox from enlightenment many mango seasons ago because I liked the ability to make tab groups with arbitrary windows
14:36<simonrvn>xfce + openbox :)
14:36<dkr>wnd: heh
14:36<simonrvn>i don't like those tabs much
14:37<dkr>yeah, well then apps like firefox and terminal programs added tabbing features themselves and it became a less useful feature. I'm just using gnome now
14:39<danger_>A bit random but I've seen some people having "transparentish" terminal windows - anyone know how to set that up?
14:39<fxiny>dkr: grouping winodows ? so why not trying a tiling wm ? awesome is user friendly , it just works and can show you many layouts
14:40<fxiny>bja: but if you like diving into deep settings and personalizations , nothing is better then xmonad
14:40<fxiny>xmonad is the tetris of wm , very addictive :P
14:41<bja>fxiny: I just found about xmonad it looks great so far
14:41<petern>still using it
14:41<petern>default setup
14:42<fxiny>bja: main xmonad chan is in freenode , we have a tiny crazy chan around the corner , here in oftc
14:42*simonrvn doesn't get the tiling wms *shrug*
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14:42<dkr>danger_: gnoem-terminal has a transparetn background option in its settings. rxvt also
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14:43<dkr>and Eterm, heh
14:43<danger_>thanks dkr
14:43<bja>fxiny: writing down info
14:43<simonrvn>most do nowadays..
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14:44<fxiny>simonraven : strange , i heard xmonad is the bird-avec-le-flamboiant-plummage favourite wm :P
14:44<danger_>ooohhhh thanks nice dkr
14:44<bja>fxiny: nice french
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14:45<fxiny>bja: heheh
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14:46<fxiny>bja: i have more arrows : you know the "poisson vite de la mere du nord ?"
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14:47<bja>fxiny: Well my french happens to be a little rusty but i can get them :D
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14:48<fxiny>bja: so you are running xmonad ? why don't you come to see us at the tiny oftc #xmonad ?
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14:49<bja>fxiny: Nop I'm running ION3, and right now I installing a vm with Mandriva, and it just doesn't want to run on kvm in only runs on qemu arrghhh :(
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14:50<fxiny>ion3 ? mandriva ? why not debian ? do you need any help ?
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14:53<bja>fxiny: The host os is Debian, Lenny, been around since potatos last days, personal choice.
14:54*fxiny sends back to amphi the exorcism tools
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14:54<bja>fxiny: Ion3 because somewhere in time, i had a faulty 256 m simm, and memory was so tight gnome had to go and i found ion2 some timem ago better graphics than a std tty
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14:55<bja>fxiny: Then on lenny i discovered ion3 and jumped into it (exorcism tools?? who needs them)
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14:57<fxiny>bja: is because you mentioned mandriva : we were ready for the banishing ritual
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14:57<bja>fxiny: The mandriva pain comes because an aplication on the office runs "preferably" on Mandriva, it busted on Debian 64 bits, so i have to get my hands dirty to fix things for every arquitechture
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14:58<fxiny>bja: i see , i feared a case of digital possession
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14:59<bja>fxiny: never mind Sometimes i have to deal with those.
15:01<bja>fxiny: Is haskell dificult to learn or is there an easy way in?
15:02<bja>Lua is somewhat painful
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15:02<fxiny>bja: so you just looked at xmonad on line ? have you seen the huge cocumentation debian provides ?
15:03<czarny>hi someone has instaling debian on ibook g4?
15:03<fxiny>bja: no . is not that hard , there is a free book called "real world haskell"
15:03<czarny>how to make able boot from cd?
15:03<fxiny>bja: but you can run xmonad by just going through the huge example collection
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15:05<bja>fxiny: to look at the documentation, i need first to install it, and its a no no hour to download things now. Maybe in an hour or so :)
15:06<fxiny>bja: be prepared : is very addictive . the first week is a trip
15:06<fxiny>because of this huge contrib collection
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15:09<bja>fxiny: I love that penguin in front of those monitors :))
15:09<amphi>czarny: I did, a long time back - IIRC, you just hold down the 'c' key while the thing starts up
15:10<czarny>ok thx
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15:11<amphi>debian ran nicely on it, FWIW
15:11<amphi>czarny: ISTR there being a nice little kernel option to use the sleep light as an hd access indicator
15:11<czarny>c dont work
15:12<amphi>!tell czarny -about laptop
15:12<czarny>ibook G4
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15:12<amphi>czarny: one or both those sights will have lots of useful info
15:13<czarny>wich sights?
15:13<amphi>the ones dpkg told you about
15:13<amphi> and
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15:14<bja>fxiny: How much ram does xmonad use ??
15:14<amphi>5MB here
15:14<smackeydo>Posted my question and info here because its long -
15:15<fxiny>bja: little , grep for amphi here :
15:15<fxiny>amphi: ;)
15:15<amphi>fxiny: same there?
15:15<fxiny>amphi: i ain't got any screenshot there
15:16<amphi>do something appalling with layout combinators ;)
15:16<bja>smckeydo: Yesterday it was /devhda did you change your disk??
15:16<fxiny>bja: he already uploaded his configs , i'm still busy with my etch2lenny upgrades
15:17<smackeydo>ya, still didnt work
15:18<smackeydo>code: /devhda was a typo, it was dev/hda, and changing it to dev/sda1 or sda still doesnt fix it
15:20<bja>/dev/hda is quite diferent from /dev/sda its two diferent controlers for the disk, one is ide the other is scsi or sat, its very important to have that right, but since you pasted your menu.lst its clearer now :)
15:21<bremner>bja: these days it can just be the kernel running SCSI emulation for SATA and maybe even PATA disks
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15:21<bja>brenner: God I'm thath rusty??
15:21<bremner>bja: well, you might be the only one still having a real SCSI disk :-)
15:22<m2rt>SCSI? Whats that? Is that the same thing my grandpa was talking about?
15:23<bja> Then taking the quiet parameter out of the cmdline will give you the raw info right?
15:24<bja>Back when hercules meant something different that the greek hero. :(
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15:24<mtc>bja: scsi is still an actively developed and used protocol
15:25<m2rt>hehe :P Hmm... I think I will boot up my old P III and have some fun with it...
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15:25<mtc>surprises me that people think if it isn't used on their dell desktop computer that it isn't used anywhere else ;)
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15:26<fxiny>m2rt: a P III ? that's almost new !
15:27<m2rt>fxiny! I have older stuff too! one pc with 133mhz processor :P
15:27<bja>My cell phone has more ram memory than the first computer I worked with, so lets talk about a different subject
15:27<m2rt>or was it 100mhz
15:27<fxiny>m2rt: bloody good one
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15:27<m2rt>I am young too :P
15:27<m2rt>so what ya want
15:28<bja>m2rt: Have an old 16 Mhz still arround
15:28<m2rt>oh my, I would like to see and touch that :D
15:28<smackeydo>find anything bja?
15:29<fxiny>16 Mhz ? give it back to Buzz Aldrin !
15:30<danger_>16 MHz isn't that bad, 286?
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15:33<danger_>8088 cpus didn't reach 16 mhz!
15:34<bja>smackeydo: Your last install was Ubuntu on your 3rd disk
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15:34<bja>danger_: Yeap your right i mixed clock speeds : hehe you also play with those
15:35<smackeydo>ubuntu is on sda9
15:35<smackeydo>all but debian are on an extended parition
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15:37<m2rt>LOL our local Microsoft guy announced the translation of IE8 to our language (Estonian). He also noted that IE8 is THE fastest and THE most secure browser, no other browser can compete with IE8! He says that IE8 blocks 2-4 times more malware attacks, then other browsers....
15:37<m2rt>Like wtf?
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15:38<dkr>because more are directed at it. :)
15:39<danger_>You should have just said "Sorry, what did you say, I'm too busy downloading Chrome"
15:39<bja>smackeydo: The first two ubuntu images are accesed by uuid and then there is no root there, something is not quite right, I'll dig arround, but I think it is over my head
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15:40<m2rt>I would have slapped the guy to the face and asked if he is awake or in his dreams.
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15:41<smackeydo>but... were'nt you there m2rt?
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15:42<m2rt>no, I read an article...
15:42<fxiny>m2rt: wanna really slap him ? just ask him why windows is loosing money , first time in 23 years ;)
15:42<m2rt>heh :p
15:42<m2rt>their answer would be: economical situation
15:43<smackeydo>bja: theres a link to a pic of my hd in gparted so you can see how its set up
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15:44<smackeydo>Posted my question and info here because its long - <-regarding debian not booting
15:45<amphi>m2rt: and another chair launch, if you're lucky
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15:46<m2rt>Hmm what you suggest? Debian or Ubuntu for a webserver machine. apache, php, mysql, etc.
15:46<m2rt>users from 50 - .....
15:47<petemc>people is this channel tend to prefer debian
15:47<m2rt>well yeah
15:47<m2rt>BUT they have open mind ;)
15:47<m2rt>some of them..
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15:47<smackeydo>if it works, in my experience it doesnt :/
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15:49<danger_>Debian is a far better choice for a webserver than Ubuntu
15:50<petemc>both work
15:50<m2rt>well all I have found out on debian, is that BIND sucks :P
15:50<bja>smackeydo: I'll go get something to eat, and I'll be back in an hour or so, let me think about this, I'm guessing that you can boot from other images. Right?
15:50<petemc>m2rt: what?
15:50<smackeydo>all 5 of the others
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15:51<smackeydo>debian wont boot by itself or with others
15:51<m2rt>oh wait! Gadmin!
15:51<m2rt>Gadmin sucks :D
15:51<wnd>smackeydo, you pass root=/dev/sda1, yet parted says 5th partition is labeled "/". which one is correct?
15:51<smackeydo>fedora, must have did it itself
15:52<SynrG>bah. how do i silence dhcp3-client's messages in the log? the manpage documents a -q switch but I can't figure out how it gets invoked, hence i have no idea how to pass this switch :P
15:52<m2rt>Only problem with linux I have ever got. is the directory thing. I can not understand them :P
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15:52<SynrG>dhclient3, even
15:52<amphi>'fedora' is now an expletive? ;)
15:52<smackeydo>lol, no thats the partition with fedora on it, it labeled it /, dumb thing
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15:53<smackeydo>maybe because i left it blank
15:53<wnd>and you're using uuids to define root. sorry, I didn't notice that before.
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15:53<smackeydo>well, I'm using defaults from ubuntu
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15:54<wnd>are you by any chance using slow-to-initialise disk such as some hardware raid?
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15:54<smackeydo>I dont think so
15:54<danger_>God there's some serious crap on TV these days
15:54<wnd>I've noticed that default rootdelay can be too short for some dell blades
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15:55<smackeydo>not a dell, I assembled it myself
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15:56<smackeydo>debian is on sda1, fedora on sda5, suse sda6, mint sda7, ultimate sda8 and ubuntu sda9
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15:58<smackeydo>installed in that order
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16:00<danger_>Why on earth have you got so many distro's installed?
16:00<smackeydo>try before you buy man
16:01<wnd>and mint boots just fine too?
16:01<danger_>you don't need to install them to try them out - live CDs / DVDs
16:01<smackeydo>all 5 besides debain boot
16:01<smackeydo>I like to get my hands dirty
16:02<smackeydo>live cds are only a taste
16:02<danger_>well what ever floats your boat I guess - personally I think having that many distros is way OTT
16:03<danger_>(especially when you can virtualise so easily these days!)
16:03<smackeydo>I got space for me
16:03<wnd>the only thing I can think of is that on debian some devices are initialised before the hard drive, so root isn't on sda but sde or such. mint and debian use absolute drive definition, the others use uuid. perhaps mint gets lucky and finds the hard drive first.
16:03<wnd>can you try to use uuid for debian root too?
16:04<smackeydo>so I change root to uuid?
16:04<smackeydo>and give that a try
16:04<wnd>don't change, but try to discover debian root's uuid and use that in grub's configuration instead of /dev/sda1
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16:05<smackeydo>ok, I dont know what uuid is or how to look for debians
16:06*m2rt wants to do something cool with computers
16:06<m2rt>maybe should play ottd a bit.
16:06<smackeydo>Universally Unique Identifier
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16:08<wnd>smackeydo, try tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 | grep UUID
16:08<wnd>there was a "better" way to do that but I can't seem to remember it
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16:09<smackeydo>put "tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 | grep UUID
16:09<smackeydo>[20:08:46] <wnd> there was a "better" way to do that but I can't
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16:10<smackeydo>put "tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 | grep UUID" after root= ?
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16:11<smackeydo>in place of /dev/sda1
16:11<wnd>no. run tune2fs to find out UUID, and put that to grub's config, replacing root=/dev/foo, just like in ubuntu's entry (root=UUID=8c5cb2f2-0948-4021-8f37-bd6901e5f435)
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16:13<wnd>in other words if tune2fs says UUID = foobar, try to have "root=UUID=foobar" instead of "root=/dev/sda1" for the entry for debian
16:13<danger_>cout << "brb";
16:13<smackeydo>ok, but where do i enter "tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 | grep UUID"
16:14<smackeydo>if I cant get into debian
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16:14<smackeydo>from the live cd in the terminal?
16:14<wnd>that should work, as long as the hard drive is /dev/sda after booting the live cd
16:14<ernesto>cerco contatti italiani
16:15<smackeydo>ok, I'll give that a try
16:16<wnd>just remember you have to run tune2fs as root. be sure not to misspell anything because misusing tune2fs can be disasterous.
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16:16<weasel>what's the worst that could happen :)
16:17<petern>wahey, successfully upgraded sarge to etch... pom te pom
16:18<petern>uptime was 4.4 years :s
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16:19<wnd>I try to reboot every 100 days (and I'm already overdue)
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16:22<smackeydo>so it will be "sudo tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 | grep UUID"
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16:22<wnd>that should do the trick
16:22<smackeydo>alright, going to try it now, doh
16:22<wnd>just one more thing
16:23<petern>right, now lenny... heh
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16:23<wnd>oh well
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16:24<melkart>the version of preload is ancient in debian (0.4.5) while a much newer version (0.6.4) exists... this has been reported as a bug almost a year ago, yet the package is not being updated. i cant find the package on the wnpp-list, either... is there anything i could or should do about it?
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16:25<smackeydo>you said, just one thing, I hit restart on my computer so I couldnt stop it
16:26<smackeydo>actually shut down, but ya
16:26<wnd>I was about to repeat that you can probably use gparted to view the UUID
16:26<wnd>and then I realised that you're actually using the computer you're tweaking :-)
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16:26<wnd>and since you are obviously using a running system, you can probably use it to determine the uuid
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16:27<smackeydo>go on
16:27<wnd>I realised that only after you already quit irc :-)
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16:27<ernesto>c'è una ragazza per parlare?
16:27<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:28<wnd>just try to run that tune2fs from the system you're using right now
16:28<wnd>as long as it's on the same hard drive that's it :-)
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16:31<mjt>dumpe2fs -h /dev/whatever
16:32<mjt>that displays properties of ext[234] filesystem
16:32<mjt>including uuid, volume name and various other stuff.
16:33<mjt>tune2fs is for CHANGING those
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16:41<dkr>tune2fs -l :)
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16:42<zsajr>is there a way to create an 8TB partition with fdisk?
16:42<mjt>ok, that works too
16:43<mjt>zsajr: is it EVER possible?
16:43<wnd>yeah it works but dumpe2fs is much safer for this purpose (as in typo-safe)
16:43<zsajr>Do I need CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y and CONFIG_LBD ?
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16:44<mjt>zsajr: i mean, msdos-like partition table operates in sectors (512 bytes) and all the numbers are 32 bits (if not 24)
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16:45<danger_>You can create 8TB "partitions" or pools with OpenSolaris in ZFS format
16:45<mjt>2**32 * 512 is the max. size *and* position
16:45<mjt>that's 2TB i think
16:45<dserban_>I've been googling for weeks like a mofo, but I've got a problem both on my computer at home and on the office computer. Flash animations (objects in the page) will not display, there's usually just background colour where the youtube vid or whatever should be. If I delete the .mozilla directory it fixes the problem, after a bit of browsing, it starts happening again, until I remove the .mozilla folder again from my home directory.
16:45<dserban_> This is getting old and I can't find a fix. I'm running flashplugin-nonfree on debian sid amd64. Is there a bug I've missed on b.d.o? Any suggestions where I shouild start trying to nail down what the heck?
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16:46<dpkg>hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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16:47<danger_>^^ wtf?
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16:48<dserban_>danger_, ehh, sorry I fail to see how that helps me?
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16:48<danger_>dserban_ if your having issues with flash then follow the instructions in that URL - worked for me
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16:51<dserban_>danger_, the alsa bit under the lenny install?
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16:51<dserban_>to use it with pulse?
16:51<dserban_>that what you mean?
16:52<smackeydo>wnd it worked!!
16:52<smackeydo>I'm on debian right now
16:52<wnd>I'm glad to hear
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16:53<wnd>if you run "df /" now you'll probably see that root isn't really /dev/sda1 with debian's stock initrd/kernel
16:53<xente>has anyone else had initscript problems updating squeeze lately?
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16:53<smackeydo>its /dev/hda1
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16:54<dserban_>hrrm, well that didn't work
16:54<smackeydo>which is odd, because it started out as /dev/hda1 and didnt work
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16:56<smackeydo>Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
16:56<smackeydo>/dev/hda1 10317828 2414156 7379556 25% /
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16:59<Befolked>debian fails to detect my cdrom drive when it scans for them (in the debian installer)
16:59<Befolked>is there any help for this?
16:59<wnd>xente, sounds like people haven't had problems. however it might help if you were more specific.
16:59<dondelelcaro>Befolked: you're using the lenny installer right? what kind of cdrom is it?
17:00<Befolked>its sata, methinks.
17:00<Befolked>and yes.
17:00<Befolked>this also happens with elive, it cant find the cdrom drive to boot from on elive.
17:00<Befolked>but im mainly worried about debian atm.
17:00<smackeydo>wnd you have wonderful mind, thanks so much, later
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17:01<xente>wnd: I had two packages that failed on install..they are hal and acpid...
17:01<xente>wnd: the error I had was....
17:01<Befolked>dondelelcaro, why? do you have the same problem?
17:01<xente>invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed.
17:02<xente>dpkg: error while cleaning up:
17:02<xente>subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
17:02<xente>wnd: any ideas?
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17:03<dondelelcaro>Befolked: no, but having issues with detecting sata cdroms isn't all that atypical
17:03<wnd>I'm running unstable and I haven't had any init-script problems lately. I just thought that if you told more about your problem someone else could probably help you with it.
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17:03<actatux>xente> have you a message when executing /etc/init.d/acpid status ?
17:04<xente>actatux: it says acpid is running
17:05<actatux>try /etc/init.d/acpid restart
17:05<actatux>and look at /var/log/syslog
17:05<xente>no problem..."Stopping ACPI services... [OK]"
17:05<dondelelcaro>Befolked: you can work around it by installing from USB; you'll probably need a newer kernel to really make it work
17:06<Befolked>i dont have a usb drive. :|
17:06<actatux>Befolked> and a net-install ?
17:06<dondelelcaro>actatux: won't work
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17:06<Befolked>isnt there a boot command?
17:07<Befolked>i mean i have problems with lenny too. >.>
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17:07<Befolked>really frustrating.
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17:07<dondelelcaro>Befolked: the issue is basically that your sata controller isn't supported by the kernel that shipped with lenny
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17:07<Befolked>thats strange, because sabayon linux uses 2.6.26 in their 4.0r1 release, and that boots off the cd fine.
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17:08<dondelelcaro>Befolked: see for example
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17:08<Befolked>thats pretty sad, considering a lot of distros are based on debian.
17:09<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; it happens if you've got newer hardware occasionally
17:09<Befolked>it shouldn't happen. freespire 2.0's 2.6.20 kernel boots it fine.
17:10<dondelelcaro>then your controller may need non-free firmware to work; without seeing the output of lspci, the output of dmesg, etc. there's not much I can tell you about it.
17:10<Befolked>its an mcp 61
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17:10<Befolked>it looks like it loaded the sata_nv drivers.. i tried doing a modprobe -r sata_nv and then modprobe sata_nv, it didnt change anything. AND, i also got it to work once with no special commands. not sure how.. i just booted it regularly and it worked.
17:11<Befolked>^thats what puzzles me the most, i was having that problem before it magically worked, then after i got it installed it wouldn't work anymore.
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17:12<dondelelcaro>Befolked: are you dual booting?
17:12<Befolked>i only have arch linux on here atm.
17:12<dondelelcaro>hrm. well, if it worked once, then it should work always
17:12<Befolked>im wondering if i did any special command, i dont think i did.
17:12<dondelelcaro>yeah; random failures like that would lead me to suspect hardware... but it's hard to say
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17:13<Befolked>i actually flashed my bios.
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17:13<Befolked>i was trying out osx86.. and before it would stop on detecting my cdrom drive.
17:13<Befolked>so i flashed it, and afterwards osx86 worked..
17:13<xente>thanks for your help...I have to reboot .........
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17:14<Befolked>and then i got it to work once after i flashed the bios, but then it would'nt work again.
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17:25<bja>wnd: Is there a cmdline utility that displays the information that gparted displays?
17:25<bja>wnd: I missed the tiny /
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17:27<wnd>bja, I don't know. I use combination of sfdisk and tune2fs/dumpe2fs for related tasks.
17:28<bja>wnd: can you resize the / with sfdisk or is it too risky
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17:30<wnd>I don't resize live partitions :-)
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17:31<bja>Good point
17:31<wnd>seriously though, sfdisk can't resize partitions without destroying data. it's only partitioning tool.
17:32<wnd>using lvm2 would probably be better idea
17:32<EmleyMoor>I tried to re-enable gdm on my sid vm but it still fails and I can't find a way to reverse it. Is there a special way to boot I could use?
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17:32<bja>I am no fan of resizing partitions, but sometimes it has to be done. :(
17:32<drzel>hi there
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17:33<drzel>grep -n -w -r SomeDir | awk -F: '{ print $1":"$2 } why doesnt this give me a newline at the end???
17:33<drzel>or how can i get a newline, sry im a noob
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17:35<drzel>sry it doesnt give me a newline if its in a shell-variable
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17:36<drzel>Treffer=$(grep -n -w -r SomeDir | awk -F: '{ print $1":"$2 }' ); echo $Treffer
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17:36<bja> does anyone now of the irc channel for the qemu and kvm stuff
17:37<smackeydo>Intalled gnome do from synpatic manager but its only version .4
17:37<smackeydo>how can I update to .8
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17:38<EmleyMoor>smackeydo: Is .8 in any release of Debian?
17:38<smackeydo>dont know
17:39<EmleyMoor>What is the package called exactly?
17:39<drzel>smackeydo try
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17:48<smackeydo> brings me to I think thats to official one and thats what I used to install gnome do .4
17:49<goodger>gah, does anyone know how to convince my applications to use pulseaudio?
17:49<goodger>rhythmbox is eating hw:1 all by itself, even when not actually outputting any audio
17:49<valdyn>goodger: run gstreamer-properties
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17:50<EmleyMoor>smackeydo: Have you checked versions in testing and unstable?
17:50<smackeydo>no, I'll do that
17:50<goodger>valdyn: thanks :)
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17:51<EmleyMoor>There may be ways to go to one of those... don't just grab and try to install though
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17:51<valdyn>goodger: or gnome-sound-properties starting at some gnome version
17:51<goodger>valdyn: I retract the thanks, that's not done anything
17:51<valdyn>goodger: its the right thing though
17:51<valdyn>goodger: maybe you need to restart rhythmbox
17:51<goodger>I did
17:51<goodger>gnome-sound-properties has subdivided options, one of which was not set by gstreamer-properties
17:52<smackeydo>its testing under squeeze
17:52<smackeydo>can I install that in lenny?
17:52<EmleyMoor>Can you tell me its proper name?
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17:52<wnd>judd: versions gnome-do
17:52<judd>wnd: gnome-do -- lenny: squeeze: 0.8.0-1 sid:
17:53<goodger>valdyn: gnome-sound-properties gets it working, thanks
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17:53<smackeydo>what judd said
17:54<EmleyMoor>It may ned libraries that are not available
17:54<EmleyMoor>need, even
17:54<drzel> why doesnt this give me a newline at the end? plz help Treffer=$(grep -n -w -r SomeDir | awk -F: '{ print $1":"$2 }' ); echo $Treffer
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17:56<EmleyMoor>smackeydo: I don't think it is practical to backport that version
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17:56<smackeydo>you mean .8 wont be on lenny?
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17:57<EmleyMoor>smackeydo: Indeed it won't - .4 it hans got and .4 it will stay
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17:58<smackeydo>lenny came out in feb this year right? and its too old to have .8, crazy
17:59<EmleyMoor>smackeydo: .8 has dependencies that lenny can't meet
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18:01<smackeydo>is iceweasel=firefox?
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18:01<EmleyMoor>iceweasel is effectively firefox, yes
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18:01<goodger>ok, now audacity has stopped accepting input from my microphone. any ideas?
18:01<drzel>smackey yes firefox-bin to b accurate ;)
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18:01<drzel>if u search in ps
18:01<valdyn>goodger: is it using pulseaudio?
18:03<goodger>it claims to be using portaudio, which I am led to believe is the same, for output
18:03<goodger>(this does not work)
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18:03<goodger>it seems to be using raw ALSA for input
18:04<valdyn>goodger: thats not going to work reliably if at all
18:04<valdyn>goodger: alsa can redirect to/from pulseaudio
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18:04<goodger>it used to work, so long as Rhythmbox was not running
18:04<valdyn>goodger: which you might want to set up for apps that dont support pulseaudio or esd
18:04<valdyn>goodger: yea, thats typical
18:05<goodger>well, I could put up with that, but now, it's not working at all
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18:05<valdyn>goodger: so route alsa thru pulse
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18:05<goodger>I'm immersed in google as we speak
18:06<smackeydo>mmm, am I able to update lenny to squeeze?
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18:08<dkr>!tell smackeydo about lenny->squeeze
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18:10<smackeydo>I guess lenny is fine, hey anyone else here use knotes, I LOVE that
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18:12<valdyn>goodger: works with audacity, tried
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18:12<goodger>valdyn: this is very, very weird:--- the "alsa: pulse" option was very definitely absent a few minutes ago, but now it is there, along with a whole load of other things
18:13<valdyn>goodger: you just added that to your ~/.asoundrc ?
18:13<goodger>ah, it was reading that, was it...
18:13<goodger>ok then
18:14<valdyn>goodger: alsa is an api, libasound2 rereads ~/.asoundrc at some api call
18:14<goodger>ah, there we go
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18:14<goodger>playback now works, but not input --- the timing location bar cursor thing stays precisely where it is
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18:15<valdyn>goodger: bar should just move, no matter if it works or not
18:15<valdyn>goodger: unless audacity is "stuck" trying to open the audio device
18:15<goodger>well, it's twitching slightly to the right
18:15<goodger>and then moving back
18:15<valdyn>goodger: scrolling?
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18:15<goodger>pulse's volume control lists audacity as "ALSA capture"
18:15<goodger>hang on, I'll restart audacity
18:16<valdyn>goodger: is audacity started from a terminal? it gives plenty output if it has issues opening devices
18:16<goodger>I just started it from a terminal, no output
18:16<valdyn>goodger: which debian release are you on?
18:17<valdyn>judd: versions pulseaudio
18:17<judd>valdyn: pulseaudio -- etch: 0.9.5-5etch1 etch-security: 0.9.5-5etch1 lenny: 0.9.10-3 squeeze: 0.9.14-2 sid: 0.9.15-1
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18:17<valdyn>goodger: the recording should be working at least visually
18:18<goodger>the cursor is sitting there flashing eerily as if it's moving to the right normally but being reset to 0 every quarter of a second
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18:18<valdyn>goodger: after that you might have to configure pulseaudio to capture the proper stream, which can be done inpavucontrol
18:18<goodger>does HCK OnTimer mean anything?
18:18<epilido>just tried a fresh install of yesterdays testing build amd 64 using net install entire disk format guided with encrypt lvm. when reboot looks lke grub was never installed and when i look at the drive withe either the install disk ot knoppix I get wrong disk info. sda is a 64g drive the identifier is now wrong and it only shows 4gig of space....
18:18<valdyn>goodger: thats not an error anyway
18:19<goodger>oh good
18:19<valdyn>goodger: i have audacity recording right now
18:19<goodger>good for you!
18:19<valdyn>goodger: im confused about your visual though
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18:19<goodger>oh, hang on
18:20<goodger>it's vaguely possible I'm using an audacity that d-m has tampered with
18:20<goodger>aha, I am
18:20<goodger>pinning commences shortly...
18:21<goodger>...I am not
18:21<goodger>I am also puzzled by this visual response
18:22<goodger>how irritating
18:22<valdyn>goodger: recording and that red arrowtip is moving and its counting seconds
18:22<goodger>and you are using audacity 1.3.7-2?
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18:22<valdyn>goodger: yea
18:22<goodger>gah :/
18:23<goodger>huh. subversive thought
18:23*goodger quits Skype
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18:24<goodger>no improvement
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18:25<goodger>I assume getting pulse installed and properly sorted out is one of squeeze's release goals?
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18:26<valdyn>goodger: its kind of properly sorted out
18:26<valdyn>goodger: applications arent though
18:26<valdyn>goodger: now im not sure if its not possible that my newer pulse version is fixing this but
18:27<goodger>you're on sid?
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18:27<valdyn>goodger: i have seen no improvements since the lenny version in sound working or not
18:27<valdyn>goodger: pulse just got some new neat functionality
18:27<valdyn>goodger: yea, on sid
18:28<goodger>I don't really need neat new functionality so long as the damned thing works properly
18:28<valdyn>goodger: and i keep playing with newer versions hoping that they get along with skype, but they dont
18:28<goodger>neat new functionality is something I can wait a release cycle for, but I need my mic to work
18:28<goodger>actually, skype is working for me
18:28<valdyn>goodger: im on 32-bit skype in amd64 system
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18:29<goodger>for all I know, I am too
18:29<valdyn>goodger: i dont think it works proper for you unless you use padsp and oss skype
18:29-!-ml is now known as ml|
18:29<goodger>output is working, at least
18:29<goodger>I will call someone
18:29<valdyn>goodger: microphone is the problem with skype
18:29<valdyn>goodger: and loosing microphone is one
18:29<valdyn>goodger: and skype eating 100% cpu is one
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18:30<goodger>ok, er...
18:30<valdyn>goodger: skype is also in listed in the broken apps, with workarounds
18:30<goodger>it was working right up until the point at which I restarted skype
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18:31<valdyn>goodger: ive been lazy to set up 32-bit padsp for me, so its still broken, and padsp is the only way afaik
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18:34<valdyn>goodger: maybe you really want to use jack
18:34<valdyn>goodger: i cant tell how that stacks up though with pulse
18:34<valdyn>goodger: at least serious audio apps do support jack directly
18:34<goodger>I don't really want to use anything
18:35<valdyn>goodger: dmix?
18:35<valdyn>goodger: if you want to use skype, almost anything is broken
18:35<valdyn>goodger: skype on pulse = broken, skype on dmix = broken
18:36<goodger>you misunderstand, I don't want to know what I'm using
18:36<EmleyMoor>skype is broken anyway <g>
18:36<valdyn>goodger: you *will* have to on debian
18:36<goodger>it wasn't broken before
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18:37<valdyn>goodger: that or limit yourself to the apps that support your sound system of choice directly
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18:37<goodger>well... before I installed pulse, everything worked
18:38<valdyn>goodger: so remove it
18:38<goodger>with the minor inconvenience of having to close rhythmbox and VLC when I wanted to use audacity
18:38<valdyn>goodger: yes, exactly
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18:40<goodger>so the solution is to use a sound server
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18:40<goodger>however, the sound server is apparently ham-fisted to the extent that two of my applications break even before I start
18:40<valdyn>goodger: the solution is to use a sound server and make no application go around that server
18:40<Error323>Hey guys, what is the difference between the 2.6-686 and 2.6.26-2-686 kernels?
18:40<mjt>here, vlc and audacity works together without any sound server. Is it because of different kind of hardware?
18:41<valdyn>goodger: not really the servers fault when skype messes with the microphone directly
18:41<goodger>possibly, who knows in this mixed-up system?
18:41<Error323>And which should I pick
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18:41<valdyn>mjt: plenty hardware has mixing done in hardware, so if only few apps output sound, that would work
18:41<goodger>Error323: 2.6-686 is a dummy package that automatically resolves to the latest 2.6 kernel
18:42<Error323>goodger, thanks
18:42<valdyn>mjt: thats probably limited to 4 at a time though or somesuch
18:42<goodger>valdyn: I thought I just configured the server to intercept such things and route them through itself
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18:42<valdyn>goodger: no you didnt
18:42<valdyn>goodger: you rerouted the default alsa device
18:42<Gh0sTeE>Hello, I just rebooted and I noticed that my lvm is down and when I try to goto /dev to fsck it it's not there. How can I get it back?
18:43<valdyn>goodger: what if apps use oss or something else than the default alsa device
18:43<goodger>my apps aren't using OSS, though
18:43<goodger>the phrase "alsa" is in the version number of this copy of skype
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18:44<goodger>or rather, "oss" is in the version number of the other version, and this copy was labelled "alsa" on the website, IIRC
18:44<valdyn>goodger: to be sure that apps can only use pulse, remove yourself from the audio group, iirc
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18:45<valdyn>goodger: hmm, question is if that doesnt fuck up pulse too
18:45<valdyn>goodger: though i thought pulse would be suid anyway, i cant see that
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18:46<mjt>btw, what is "THE" sound server, if any? I mean, if I to write some audio application, which server should i support?
18:46<goodger>ah, there appears to be a version of skype that uses OSS and may thus be made to work with pulse
18:47<valdyn>goodger: you would need to get padsp for 32-bit apps by yourself
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18:47<mjt>goodger: as far as i can see it's the opposite
18:47<valdyn>mjt: no
18:47<valdyn>mjt: skype <-> alsa <-> pulse is borken
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18:48<mjt>a program that uses OSS can only work with OSS, while libasound can be configured to use other "plugins"
18:48<valdyn>mjt: "padsp skype-oss" works
18:48<mjt>that hackish way... ok
18:48<Gh0sTeE>Hello, I just rebooted and I noticed that my lvm is down and when I try to goto /dev to fsck it it's not there. How can I get it back? pvscan, vg scan all show the following -> Couldn't find device with uuid 'ycssnF-u2Jj-p9vX-KN06-QC31-TVIp-8gykwL'. Couldn't find all physical volumes for volume group htpc. Couldn't find device with uuid 'ycssnF-u2Jj-p9vX-KN06-QC31-TVIp-8gykwL'. Couldn't find all physical volumes for volume group htpc Volume group "
18:48<Gh0sTeE>htpc" not found
18:48<goodger>padsp introduces hideous latency
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18:49<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: so check if all devices are there
18:49<mjt>Gh0sTeE: who/what is "not there", exactly? /dev itself? or /dev/sda or /dev/hda? or /dev/disk/something? Or somethingelse?
18:49<Gh0sTeE>valdyn, /dev/htpc/lg0 is not there
18:50<goodger>skype staff claim to be scrambling to support pulse
18:50<Gh0sTeE>htpc is my vg
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18:50<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: that error message CANNOT start /dev/htpc/lg0 because one if its devices is missing
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18:50<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: and just the one with the lvm uuid ycssnF-u2Jj-p9vX-KN06-QC31-TVIp-8gykwL
18:51<mjt>hmm and how to tell which device it was? :)
18:51<Gh0sTeE>but I wouldn't be able to boot without both devices being there
18:51<valdyn>mjt: doesnt matter which it was
18:51<Gh0sTeE> is the error log
18:51<goodger>they claimed this a year ago
18:51<valdyn>mjt: unless you can physically
18:51<Gh0sTeE>mjt, /dev/sda1 2 and 3 are all there
18:51<valdyn>mjt: unless you mean physically
18:51<Gh0sTeE>that was for you valdyn
18:51<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: thats probably not all members
18:52<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: pvdisplay /dev/sda[123]
18:52<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: verify uuids
18:53<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: verify yourself
18:53<mjt>mdadm --examine shows device names of "other" components as they were seen the last time raid was running. From here it's at least some hint to where to go next.
18:53<Gh0sTeE>well seems to be sda2
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18:53<valdyn>No physical volume label read from /dev/sda1
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18:54<valdyn>Failed to read physical volume "/dev/sda2"
18:54<goodger>can someone remind me why debian still does not have dual-arch support in place?
18:54<valdyn>goodger: whats dual arch support for you?
18:54<valdyn>goodger: and its in sid btw
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18:55<Gh0sTeE>valdyn, so what do I do?
18:55<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: start from scratch and write down which pv you are creating
18:55<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: or print out
18:55<goodger>packages for i386 being installable in amd64 and such, as they have been in fedora since the beginning of recorded history
18:55<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: so we dont have to debug with no useful information from you
18:55<Gh0sTeE>I've lost everything?
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18:55<mjt>valdyn: isn't it all in /etc/lvm/...?
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18:56<valdyn>mjt: the id sure
18:56<valdyn>mjt: the underlying block device no
18:56<valdyn>mjt: lvm just scans block devices till it finds the right uuids
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18:56<mjt>just like mdadm does, yeah
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18:57<valdyn>mjt: now if Gh0sTeE had an idea at all how many pv and which pv were members, we had it alot easier to track that down
18:57<goodger>VLC isn't working now either
18:57<mjt>well, for how many the info should be in /etc/lvm etc
18:57<Gh0sTeE>There is on'y two pv's
18:57<mjt>for which - no
18:58<mjt>Gh0sTeE: ther IS or there WAS?
18:58<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: so where is the 2nd pv?
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18:58<mjt>one is /dev/sda3, and the other?
18:58<Gh0sTeE>should be /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3
18:58<goodger>in fact, ATM, nothing is working at all
18:59<mjt>Gh0sTeE: so you don't have 2nd drive?
18:59<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: how did you overwrite the lvm record on sda2?
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18:59<Gh0sTeE>oh ya I'm an idiot, /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb
19:00<mjt>sdb is another drive
19:00<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: so plain sdb
19:00<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: very good
19:00<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: pvdisplay /dev/sdb
19:00<mjt>so pvdisplay /dev/sdb
19:00<Gh0sTeE>It's not even in /dev
19:01<mjt>and what drive it is/was?
19:01<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: so sdb is gone?
19:01<mjt>is it physically here?
19:01<Gh0sTeE>it's physically there
19:01<Gh0sTeE>mind if I reboot to make sure it's not just a loose connection?
19:01<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: it was a stupid idea to make an lvm span 2 disks anyway
19:01<mjt>what it is?
19:02<mjt>on the same bus as sda?
19:02<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: do you need data off that vg ?
19:02<Gh0sTeE>Not really, but I'd really really like to keep it
19:02<Gh0sTeE>I'm gonna reboot be one min
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19:02<valdyn>Gh0sTeE: boot to your bios, see if the bios finds the disk
19:03<mjt>using lvm to join two disks seems to be so natural thing... ;)
19:03<mjt>only very few people realize the complications
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19:04<valdyn>i dont even make my lvms span 2 raid1
19:04<valdyn>except to move system to new hardware
19:04<mjt>well, i don't use lvm to start with :)
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19:05<mjt>tried it several times and always had one ore another issue. The last one was with unaligned writes on raid5.
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19:05*goodger sighs deeply
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19:06<valdyn>goodger: killall pulseaudio; start-pulseaudio-x11
19:06<goodger>does anyone know how to repair a sqlite3 database with a journal file?
19:06<valdyn>goodger: ohm, new issue, no idea
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19:06<goodger>valdyn: too late for that, my system's already crashed
19:06<goodger>and been rebooted
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19:06<goodger>hence the broken firefox places.sqlite
19:06<goodger>which breaks _without fail_ every time the system unmounts /home uncleanly
19:07<mjt>which filesystem it is?
19:07<goodger>it's a stupid design
19:07<mjt>i've my home on nfs, but that one works with randomly-crashing firefox or diskless workstations.
19:08<mjt>never had corrupt files in firefox dir
19:08<goodger>why have a plaintext file when you can have a much larger binary one whose corruption is total whenever writing is interrupted?
19:08<themill>sqlite should be robust to that, that's the point of using it. (it should be more robust than some homebrew plaintext consumer too)
19:08<valdyn>thats probably not the issue
19:09<mjt>there's no requiriments to have corrupt file in that case
19:09<goodger>this system has a layer of polish floating on an ugly pile of ill-meshing gears
19:09<mjt>think "large" databases - they're designed to cope with that situation
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19:09<goodger>the instant anything goes wrong, the entire thing is revealed to be about as polished and fluid as windows 3.11
19:10<themill>do you want help or do you want to rant?
19:10<goodger>I want to rant, but fortunately I just finished ranting
19:10<goodger>help, from this point onward, would be greatly appreciated
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19:10<mjt>someone's living in different universe, it seems. ;)
19:11<mjt>either me and some others in this channel or you :)
19:11<goodger>well, from my point of view, it'd have to be you, by definition
19:11<mjt>heh ok ;)
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19:12<goodger>however, if I am found to be living in a universe somehow differing from the standard one, I will be open to ways in which to return to the standard one
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19:12<mjt>seriously, i never saw such bad things you describe, despite the fact i experiment with different weird things here quite alot, like debugging various kernel crashes.
19:13<goodger>maybe it's just this computer. it seems to generate random errors quite nice
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19:13<mjt>this my home on nfs since.. let me think... jan-2002
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19:14<K|NgGh0sT>valdyn, I got it working, turned out to be a bad power cable
19:14<goodger>it's maddening. nothing seems to work properly for the past ten years
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19:15<LargeTrout>I have Debian Lenny installed on this machine with two 500G drives and it works great. Lenny is on drive 1 but I want to set up a mirror (software RAID) and use the second drive without having to reinstall the whole thing - I imagine I can use mdadm to do that but the issue is file system on drive one (root, swap) is encrypted. Can I still use mdadm to setup a Raid One solution?
19:15<mjt>LargeTrout: yes, definitely
19:15<goodger>I have been trained never to use firefox's bookmarks functionality because places.sqlite gets erased every month or so
19:16<LargeTrout>mjt: I assume I will have to boot from a live cd and do it yea? cos i can't have the active partitions mounted
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19:16<mjt>LargeTrout: it's the easiest way, yes
19:17<LargeTrout>hmmm ok lemme give it a try, thanks
19:17<mjt>LargeTrout: there are several HOWTOs on the 'net about exactly that
19:17<LargeTrout>mirroring encrypted FS?
19:17<LargeTrout>I couldn't find anything about encrypted though :(
19:17<mjt>no, about converting a system to raid
19:17<LargeTrout>Found easy howtwos on non-encrypted FS
19:18<LargeTrout>fdisk -l shows nothing as a result of encryption
19:18<mjt>how is yours encrypted?
19:18<LargeTrout>well the default install encryption, whatever it is
19:18<mjt>fdisk -l on what?
19:19<LargeTrout>on the harddrive that has lenny installed (fdisk -l /dev/sda)
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19:20<goodger>hmm. dilemma
19:20<valdyn>LargeTrout: mdadm the package has recipes to convert a system to raid1
19:21<mjt>what i'd do in your case - if you've yet unused 2nd drive - regardless if your fs is encrypted or not - is to setup NEW raid (degraded, just one half of it) and filesystems on the 2nd drive, encrypted or not, and COPY data from your first disk to those filesystems, and when everything works on that 2nd disk, add the missing raid halves.
19:21<mjt>LargeTrout: but i'm curious -- where are your filesystems right now -- which devices?
19:21<mjt>fdisk -l /dev/sda should show at least something.
19:22<mjt>or else the system wont boot.
19:22<LargeTrout>"cannot open /dev/sda"
19:22<valdyn>mjt: he can basically just raid his current partitions, no copy needed
19:22<goodger>do I erase my places.sqlite and proceed to use firefox, or wait for someone in #sqlite on debian to help me fix it, thus making me unable to use firefox and, in turn, skype?
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19:22<LargeTrout>Lenny is installed on /dev/sda and these are the mtab entries: /dev/mapper/chopin-root / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
19:22<goodger>#sqlite on freenode, rather
19:23<LargeTrout>df -h: /dev/mapper/chopin-root 456G 41G 393G 10% /
19:23<mjt>LargeTrout: ok, it's devmapper.
19:23<LargeTrout>mjt: yus
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19:24<mjt>valdyn: if it were plain filesystems, fine. but encrypted is one more layer to shrink, if it's srhinkable at all.
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19:25<LargeTrout>i was using LVM but i've disabled it
19:25<valdyn>LargeTrout: create degraded raid, use pvmove ( see manpage ), use vgreduce ( see manpage ), make 2nd half of that raid with the now empty original disk
19:25<LargeTrout>and yes, the second disk is unused, brand new and empty and same size
19:25<LargeTrout>valdyn: nod, ty
19:25<mjt>that's what i were suggesting, exactly
19:25<valdyn>LargeTrout: pvremove too
19:25<valdyn>LargeTrout: dont forget pvremove, or you can get funny effects
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19:26<mjt>oh, PVmove.
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19:26<mjt>lvm again.
19:26<LargeTrout>nod, thx a lot
19:26<mjt>ok, i'm out of here for night... bbl.
19:26<LargeTrout>bye mjt
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19:33<goodger>I have decided to remove pulseaudio and return my system to its previous semi-broken state, because this is a good deal better than its current state of mostly-broken
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19:49<rabbit>hey people
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19:51<rabbit>Who's had luck getting samba 4 alpha 7 to work?
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20:36<enouf>goodger: good call :-P
20:36<goodger>thank you, sir
20:36*enouf needs to run out for a bit .. bbl
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20:39<bja>Honor to does who deserve it.
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20:39<bcw>deer deserve honor now? :)
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20:59<route_ppp0>Hello guys, i need help.. Everytime i conect with my Lenny AMD64, i need to go shell and put "route add default ppp0"
20:59<route_ppp0>if i dont put it, i wont be able to surf on Net
20:59<AzaTht>has the manpages been removed from libstdc++6-4.3-doc?
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21:00<route_ppp0>how can i fix this problem?? and about diasble ipv6?
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21:02<adb>!tell route_ppp0 about noipv6
21:04<route_ppp0>and about the need of route add default ppp0?
21:04<bcw>route_ppp0, it's just a hack, but you could add "up route add default ppp0" to your ppp0 stanza in /etc/network/interfaces.
21:05<bcw>as far as diagnosing the problem, you'll probably need to pastebin the contents of that file anyway
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21:05<adb>AzaTht: some docs are in non-free
21:06<AzaTht>adb: I see
21:07<bcw>(and don't put a dot at the end of the filename, of course)
21:08<route_ppp0>i think when i conect the default interface is eth0
21:09<bcw>route_ppp0, to find out for sure, please check /etc/network/interfaces and pastebin it somewhere so we can look at it
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21:12<twb>$ xinit /usr/bin/xterm -e emacs -- :1
21:12<twb>Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0
21:13<twb>And $ xinit /usr/bin/xterm -e twb-emacsclient -- /usr/bin/Xorg :1
21:13<twb>Fatal server error: Cannot open log file "/var/log/Xorg.1.log"
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21:29<linux03>how do i find out what video card/driver im using?
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21:29<twb>linux03: lspci | grep VGA
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21:44<route_ppp0>hy guys, everytime i conect i need to enter "route add default ppp0" , if i dont put it, i cant surf on net...
21:44<route_ppp0>can anyone halp me to fix it? (Lenny AMD64)
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21:45<twb>route_ppp0: the "first principles" approach would be to put "post-up route add default ppp0" in the ppp0 stanza of /etc/network/interfaces.
21:45<twb>But I'm surprised it's not just all done for you.
21:46<bcw>hello again route_ppp0 ... sorry i treated you like a newbie earlier... but the network interfaces really are configured where i said. if you want us to help you, you need to let us see the file
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21:47<bighornram>Is there a way to create a deb package that will check for dependencies, then execute a bash install script to complete the installation?
21:47<twb>bighornram: you mean, in order to install non-Free software that you can't legally distribute, but you can legally download?
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21:48<linux03>how can i find out what drivers are being used for my video card?
21:48<twb>linux03: in X, or the framebuffer?
21:48<blarson>bighornram: There are several installers in contrib and non-free, if you need examples.
21:48<linux03>im not sure.
21:49<twb>linux03: you probably mean X. Look in /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log
21:49<route_ppp0>bcw, you need to ee my interface file:?
21:49<twb>linux03: sorry, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
21:49<linux03>my screen resolution wont go as high as it would in windows so i want to make sure right drivers are being used
21:49<twb>linux03: run "xrandr -q".
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21:49<twb>linux03: are the desired resolutions listed there?
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21:51<bighornram>blarson: k will have a look at that
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21:51<linux03>twb: no they are not....
21:51<linux03>it is selected to highest one and i know it goes higher in XP
21:52<linux03>linux03@linux03:~$ lspci | grep VGA
21:52<linux03>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 140M (rev a1)
21:52<twb>Sorry, I won't help with nvidia cards.
21:53<linux03>haha well thanks for trying
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21:55*twb grumbles about devscripts recommending x-www-browser
21:58<route_ppp0>bcw, i pasted the file, can u help me?
21:58<bcw>route_ppp0, it looks like the ppp connection is configured as "dsl-provider".. it might make sense to change the "iface dsl-provider ..." line (but not the "provider dsl-provider") to read "iface ppp0 ..." (i really don't know much about direct ppp interfaces, but if i were you i'd try following twb's advice: add "post-up route add default ppp0" just after the "pre-up ..." line
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22:00<twb>You also ought to add a post-down rule to remove the route, for symmetry
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22:01<route_ppp0>k, ill try the post-up
22:01<route_ppp0>i come back soon
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22:10<bcw>did it work?
22:10<bcw>route_ppp0, the next thing i would suggest is changing the "iface dsl-provider ..." to "iface ppp0 ..." (it may be expecting you to call the interface what you give it there in post-up). also, you don't need to shutdown your computer just to test a new network config. just do /etc/init.d/networking restart
22:11<route_ppp0>ill try
22:12<route_ppp0>iface ppp0 inet ppp
22:12<bcw>yeah, that's what i would try
22:13*bremner doesn't have anything for ppp in /etc/network/interfaces and it works fine using "pon"
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22:18<route_ppp0>dont worked
22:19<bcw>yeah, i see
22:19<bremner>route_ppp0: how do you connect?
22:20<route_ppp0>nm-applet> dialup conection> conect...
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22:20<route_ppp0>how can i see if its triing to conect on startup?
22:20<bremner>hmm. well, in a manual config, you have to add the defaultroute option to the /etc/ppp/peers/whatever.
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22:21<bcw>route_ppp0, or apparently in your case, /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider
22:22<route_ppp0>deafulroute is here
22:22<adb>pppconfig is ok ?
22:22<bremner>route_ppp0: spelled like that?
22:24<bremner>add debug to /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, and try "pon dsl-provider" from the command line
22:24<bremner>you might have to kill nm
22:24<twb>What does this mean? /bin/tar: Record size = 8 blocks
22:24<twb>I'm getting it while debuilding.
22:25<bremner>twb: yeah, me too
22:25<twb>Er, while lintian'ing a new package
22:25<raver>I'm almost driven crazy by this OS, the system often halt at:"waiting for root file system...." i checked fstab and menu.lst it seem OK, Did anyone encounter this situation?
22:25<route_ppp0>not worked
22:26<bremner>route_ppp0: what "not worked"
22:26<twb>raver: boot without "quiet" in the kernel args
22:27<route_ppp0>i put "debug" on file, but nothing
22:27<route_ppp0>dont appear any thing
22:27<bremner>twb: maybe ask about lintian in debian-mentors
22:27<route_ppp0>and i need to route it again
22:28<route_ppp0>how can i see if my network tries to conect alone on startup?
22:28<bremner>route_ppp0: you typed "pon dsl-provider" and nothing appeared?
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22:29<bcw>bremner, might it be "pon ppp0" instead? i told him to try changing the iface name to that
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22:30<bremner>no, he can man pon for more info
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22:30<bcw>(i don't appear to have pon/poff on my system at all)
22:30<bremner>do you have the package ppp?
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22:31<bcw>i don't
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22:32<raver>hi there, what does "quiet" mean. what should i do, sometimes i just reboot the system ,and it boot well
22:32<bcw>i don't use dialup -- unfortunately, in this situation, i have no linux dialup experience at all
22:32<adb>route_ppp0: cat /usr/share/doc/ppp/examples/scripts/pon
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22:33<bremner>route_ppp0: try pon -d dsl-provider I really don't understand no output.
22:34<bremner>adb: it's in /usr/bin, no/
22:34<adb>or it for docs ...
22:34<adb>it's *
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22:36<adb>"pon " may be enough if he have only one ppp interface
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22:38<raver>twb: hi
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22:42<bcw>route_ppp0: i've gotta go for a few minutes. in case i don't see you later, i hope a solution is found for you :)
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22:45<bremner>route_ppp0: hmm. maybe some output is in /var/log/ppp.log or in /var/log/syslog. Does "plog" show anything?
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22:54<route_ppp0>plog shows othig
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22:57<bremner>route_ppp0: I'm out of ideas. I would consider "sudo aptitude reinstall ppp"
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22:58<route_ppp0>hw can i see if my computer tries to conect during boot
22:58<adb>/etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot exist ?
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23:01<adb> tell you that is needed ,
23:01<adb>route_ppp0: cat /usr/share/doc/ppp/examples/scripts/pon
23:01<adb>pppconfig is ok ?
23:01<route_ppp0>dont know
23:02<adb>pon is working ?
23:02<route_ppp0>pons works well
23:02<route_ppp0>i cated
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23:03<bcw>route_ppp0, i have one more idea. bremner said earlier that no manual configuration was needed for his ppp. you could try commenting out the "iface ppp0 ..." stanza entirely, see if it figures out what to do automatically
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23:04<Plight>my friend told me I was a fag for using linux.
23:05<Plight>i can'tplay half-life anymore...
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23:07<route_ppp0>cat dont works
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23:08<bcw>cat doesn't show the contents of the file? (that's all it's supposed to do.)
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23:08<bcw>or give you an error saying the file doesn't exist?
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23:11<twb>!tell twb -about ubuntu
23:12<cesurasean1>now my postgres 8.3 is saying psql: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "root"
23:12<bremner>!tell twb -about selftell
23:12<cesurasean1>I changed the file from 5433 to 5432, and now it's giving me this error. :)
23:12<twb>bremner: sorry, I was confused because dpkg wasn't responding to /msg -- which was because my connection died and I was not in #debian anymore.
23:13<bremner>no biggie, I was just funning ya
23:13<cesurasean1>anyone know what this means? psql: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "root"?
23:14<adb>don't use "root" user ?
23:15<cesurasean1>this is from an apt-get install of postgres 8.3
23:15<cesurasean1>these things shouldn't be happening and it's sorta hard to get this thing working
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23:19<twb>cesurasean1: postgres has a separate privileged account from the OS privileged account.
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23:23<cesurasean1>so where do I edit these settings? hmm?
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23:27<bcw>/etc/just/work/dammit -- all configuration of life, the universe, and everything is there. (it defaults to 42)
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23:30<bcw>sorry i don't have better advice, but i don't know postgres at all
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23:33<bcw>from what twb is saying and common sense though, i can see why it wouldn't be easily configurable to run as root
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23:35<penpen>it sounds more to me like it's referring to the root sql database user, as opposed to the root OS user
23:35<penpen>using whatever root password you set on install..if its anything like mysql anyway
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23:36<bcw>oh.. nm then, i'm just an uninformed eediot on databases anyway
23:36<cesurasean1>Starting ftp server: proftpd - warning: the DisplayFirstChdir directive is deprecated and will be removed in a future release. Please use the DisplayChdir directive.
23:36<cesurasean1>anyone know why im getting this error?
23:37<adb>it's a warning ...
23:37<penpen>it says what it means
23:38<cesurasean1>do you get this message on your boot log when you start proftpd?
23:38<penpen>i would check your proftpd configuration file and look for something referencing DisplayFirstChdir
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23:39<cesurasean1>then I have to find out what DisplayChdir means, and how to use it. :(
23:39<bcw>maybe bugs.d.o has a workaround
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23:40<bcw>or at least some indication of when/if the problem will be fixed
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23:41<swapper>i dont have a /dev/zero file. how can i have one?
23:44<adb>it's in /usr/.udev/names/zero
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23:47<swapper>no it isnt
23:47<cesurasean1>lol penpen
23:48<swapper>if i deleted it by acident, how can i make a new one?:
23:48<bcw>i don't have a /usr/.udev either
23:48<adb>swapper: find /dev/.udev/names/ | grep zero
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23:52<swapper>it is a folder
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23:53<swapper>ok, but it dont works for mkswap
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23:54<adb>swapper: mkswap --help
23:54<swapper>the /dev/zero that i need is for /dev/zero
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23:55<swapper>i know ow to use mkswap, and it needs a /dev/zero file, that i acidentlly erased
23:55<adb>reboot than
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