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---Logopened Sat Apr 25 00:00:34 2009
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00:12<TheFish>anyone there
00:13<TheFish>this is my first time on here
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00:14<raver>my second time here
00:15<TheFish>anyone play bzflag?
00:15<raver>i still don't figure out why my system sometimes halt at "wait for root file system : (
00:16<TheFish>maybe your root drive is going out
00:16<TheFish>or is about to
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00:17<TheFish>try putting your drive in a freezer
00:17<raver>sometimes i reboot ,and it is ok
00:18<TheFish>yah, i think its your drive
00:18<blarson>raver: Some systems have a race condition. A rootwait paramater to the kernel can fix it.
00:19<TheFish>look up "hard drive in freezer"
00:19<raver>OK, thanks a lot~
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00:21<conan>hi .. im needing some help with vituralbox ..
00:22<conan>and im not sure where to seek out some help
00:22<TheFish>what part do you need help on?
00:22<conan>I found the answer on google .. but i do not see a usb user group to add to vboxuser
00:23<TheFish>look for any other groups that might have to do with usb
00:24<conan>noten that was even close ..
00:25<conan>uucp is the only one that starts with a u :-(
00:25<TheFish>don't know
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00:26<conan>thanks for trying or asken :-)
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00:27<TheFish>i keep pressing "s"
00:28<enouf>raver: try the rootdelay= kernel param
00:29<enouf>raver: rootdelay=20 should be a good try (20 seconds)
00:29<raver>OK,ill try
00:29<k1lumin4t1>good linux distros for kids aged 3-7, anyone?
00:30<enouf>raver: many ATX BIOSes have a time you can set in seconds before HDDs are initialized - mine's happy at 6 secs
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00:31<TheFish>k1lumin4t1: try xandros
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00:32<raver>so, the kernel loaded before HD initialized?
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00:33<enouf>k1lumin4t1: teach em asm to start ;-)
00:33<enouf>raver: something like that .. yes
00:34<enouf>raver: it might be the module(s) for the controller(s) .. etc
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00:34<enouf>raver: sometimes what happens is when people use LVM and/or raid (mdadm) the modules needed are loading in correct order
00:35<enouf>and/or initrd needs some lovin
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00:35<raver>enouf: ur, where to configure rootdelay ,in my BIOS setup?
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00:35<enouf>s/are/are not/
00:35<enouf>raver: cat /proc/cmdline
00:35<enouf>raver: in /boot/grub/menu.lst
00:36<raver>Thanks a lot~~
00:36<TheFish>anyone know any good "getting started in C tutorials"?
00:37<enouf>raver: the bigger picture;
00:37<enouf>TheFish: try ##linux, ##linux-coders, and ##c on
00:38<enouf>if nobody else chimes in
00:38<raver>Wow ,just what i need ,thanks
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00:39<raver>lunch time :-)
00:39<TheFish>hehe, 11:40Pm here
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00:43<lenny>hi all good morning
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00:44<Guest1986>i have made changes to kid3, i want to revert back to default settings, how do i achieve this ?
00:44<bcw>lenny.... the OS has come alive! :-O
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00:46<enouf>Guest1986: kde3?
00:46<Guest1986>enouf, no mp3tag editor kid3
00:46<enouf>mv it's dotfiles out of the way
00:47<Guest1986>yesterday, i have downloaded a game and changed settings, even after installing it is reverting back to old settings
00:49<Guest1986>what is the command shouldi use to completely remove a software ?
00:49<bcw>apt-get purge
00:49<bcw>or aptitude purge
00:50<Guest1986>i did use aptitude purge and again after installing software i have old settings only, how do i overcome this ?
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00:50<TheFish>find the config file that program
00:51<TheFish>and delete it
00:52<bcw>it will go to default settings if you do that (or purge).. which may be what you're calling the old settings (i'm a little unclear on what you mean)
00:52<Guest1986>i am completely noob, i have installed lenny using guided partition : seperate partitions for /usr, etc. where can i find configuration files ?
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00:53<bcw>your personal config files will be in your home directory
00:53<TheFish>use a search
00:53<bcw>system-wide ones are (supposed to be) in /etc
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00:53<TheFish>some are in /usr
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00:54<TheFish>midnight here
00:54<TheFish>gtg, cu all
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00:55<bcw>bye TheFish
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00:55<bcw>Guest1986, actually, a program can theoretically put its config files anywhere, so you'll have to check the program's documentation to be 100% sure
00:56<bcw>but most are in the places i mentioned
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01:02<bcw>Guest1986, however, you may not be able to see your config files in your home directory.. they start with a dot (.) and all such files are not shown by ls or nautilus (the graphical file browser) by default
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01:03<raver>try find / -iname "filename"
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01:04<bcw>Guest1986, do you need more help with that?
01:06<bcw>ok. if you double-click on the "yourname's Home" on the desktop, you'll get a nautilus window.
01:07<bcw>then click the View menu, then Show Hidden Files
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01:08<bcw>now look for a directory that starts with . and looks like it might be related to the program you're using
01:08<Guest1986>yes i can see hidden filesof various softwares
01:08<bcw>if you're not sure, check the documentation
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01:09<beer>looks like nvidia-glx on amd64 is broken in sid. I cannot install it becouse nvidia-kernel-180.44 is missing
01:09<bcw>(i'm not familiar with this kid3 program, so i don't know which one you need)
01:09<Guest1986>can i delete the files rightaway
01:10<beer>should I repport it somewhere or just sit back and wait for it to be fixed?
01:10<bcw>i would change their name instead of deleting them. that should have the same effect but allow you to change it back if you need to
01:10<raver>enouf: when i try to edit proc/cmdline it promts:Error writing /proc/cmdline:Input/output error
01:11<Guest1986>that's a good idea
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01:11<raver>enouf: In which file can i setup the rootdelay=20 ?
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01:18<bcw>Guest1986, if you haven't already changed it, i suggest adding .old to the end of the directory name. that way you keep the name as part of it and can change it back by removing that
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01:19<Guest1986>yes, i did it. i am still searching for kid3
01:19<Guest1986>in my sytem
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01:24<enouf>raver: what does cat /proc/cmdline say?
01:24<enouf>raver: that cmdline is also in your dmesg output
01:25<enouf>raver: now, find those similar lines for the various kernels installed and append that rootdelay=
01:25<enouf>raver: find them in /boot/grub/menu.lst if you use grub1
01:27<bcw>Guest1986, do you know how to open a terminal window?
01:28<raver>i already add "rootdelay=20" in menu.lst
01:28<enouf>raver: where in menu.lst?
01:28<enouf> root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791 acpi=force lapic
01:28<enouf>that's mine
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01:28<enouf>raver: no .. pastebin your menu.lst
01:29<raver>mine si root=/dev/hdh3 ro
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01:29<bcw>Guest1986, i ask because there's a much faster way to find files from the terminal
01:29<enouf>raver: the vga=791 param gives me a 1024x768x16bit Console
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01:32<raver>enouf: is the rootdelay being set in menu.lst?
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01:34<raver>nano menu.lst
01:34<raver>. pastebin your menu.lst
01:34<raver><raver> mine si root=/dev/hdh3 ro
01:35<raver>aver> mine si root=/dev/hdh3 ro
01:36<raver>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hdh3 rootdelay=20 ro,is this ok?
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01:38<bcw>Guest1986, are you still here?
01:39<bcw>ok. have you found the file you need yet?
01:39<Necrun>hmm this is a weird question, but i deleted like 4.7GB in my hard drive but i only have 500MB free space
01:40<bcw>ok, is the problem fixed?
01:40<blarson>Necrun: The space isn't freed until the file is closed.
01:40<Necrun>i just create a posgresql database, i don't think it takes 4.2GB :o
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01:41<Necrun>hmm blarson, there's nothing open :/
01:41<bcw>it would have been nice to know whether anything i told him actually helped
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01:49<bcw>guess i'll call it a night. so long all.
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01:51<Necrun>well yes, i don't where my free space gone :o
01:52<raver>enouf, hi~ it looks ok with 2sec delay
01:52<raver>with some disk check before gnome starts
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01:56<beer>is there a easy way to test kde 4.3 trunk on Debian?
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02:02<opckSheff>всем привет.
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02:02<Necrun>ok i found it, stupid kde/trash ¬¬
02:05<simonrvn>ooh, at least it's unicode displayable cyrillic :)
02:06<simonrvn>yeh, there's a russian channel too if you like
02:06<zobel>opckSheff: yes, this a english speaking channel
02:06<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
02:06<opckSheff>I'm russian but i can speak english )))
02:06<simonrvn>up to you :)
02:06<opckSheff>and i'll chat here )
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02:07<opckSheff>are you all debian users?
02:07*zobel is even Debian Developer
02:07<opckSheff>cool )
02:07<opckSheff>i have some questions..
02:08<opckSheff>i'm new in linux )
02:08<k1lumin4t1>is there any way I could make a custom netinstall debian lenny image so I could change the kde version installed with it to kde 4.2 and add some packages from debian-multimedia?
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02:08<opckSheff>installed debian 2 days ago
02:08<simonrvn>welcome then :)
02:08<opckSheff>txh ))
02:09<opckSheff>how can i connect network hdd??
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02:10<simonrvn>what do you have in mind?
02:10<Rimaille>what protocol is used by your network hdd ?
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02:11<opckSheff>Rimaille: i dont know! our administrators are stupid :-D
02:12<Rimaille>so i cant help you
02:12<opckSheff>oh shit.. (
02:13<enouf>raver: how is that disk connected? USB? firewire? SCSI? internal IDE? pata or sata?
02:13<Rimaille>enouf, i think he speak about network drive mount (samba, nfs), not about nas disk
02:14<opckSheff>ha! anybody tried to sync pda with wm6 and a computer with debian?
02:14<raver>enouf, wait for a while
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02:16<raver>i don't know how can i get information about hdd under debian
02:17<raver>i check the dmesg
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02:23<opckSheff>is anybody have vmware for linux?
02:24<raver>enouf,my HDD version is ST3802110A
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02:29<valdyn>raver: that might already be enough to find it in /dev/disk/by-id/
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02:31<deniz_>how do i tell my screen to become a certain resolution by terminal?
02:32<raver>valdyn: the interface type is IDE, so does all the HDD using this interface face the same problem as i did?
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02:34<valdyn>raver: what is the problem?
02:34<valdyn>raver: not seeing it in /lastlog
02:34<raver>my system sometimes halted at "waiting for root file system"
02:34<valdyn>raver: thats typically not a disk but a disk controller issue
02:35<valdyn>raver: but if you have alot of disks then it could be a power supply unit issue
02:35<zobel>root_delay=15 as kernel option while booting?
02:35<simonrvn>e.g., missing driver in initrd
02:35<raver>and Enouf told me to set the rootdelay =10
02:35<valdyn>raver: i only know about an ancient scsi system needing this
02:36<raver>i finally set rootdelay = 2, then the system boot well
02:36<valdyn>raver: all fine then, i wouldnt worry about it
02:36<raver>but i still don't know why this happened
02:37<valdyn>raver: its slow to initialise your disk
02:37<valdyn>raver: driver loads, then initialising can happen asynchronously
02:37<valdyn>raver: which means what you already noticed
02:39<raver>valdyn: does that mean the kernel version is more advance than my harddisk
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02:39<valdyn>raver: no
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02:40<valdyn>raver: the kernel driver obviously knows your device or it wouldnt work at all, but it doesnt know to wait a little longer for your device
02:40<kevin>hello everyone
02:41<kevin>looking for some help installing debian
02:41<viziouz>go ahead
02:41<kevin>im on a powerpc and I have tried booting from both cd and harddrice using openfirmware
02:41<kevin>Whenever I try to boot from cd, i get stuck in the scanning cdrom stage, at different places and different percentages
02:41<raver>valdyn: i get it, thank your for patience~
02:42<raver>: )
02:42<kevin>I have tried a new cd, but that didn't help much...
02:43<viziouz>ok, I guess i have a solution somewere........
02:43<xemacs4321>bad iso image ?
02:43<kevin>tried re-downloading iso image...also checked the checksums
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02:46<kevin>what would cause this?
02:48<viziouz>witch error gives to you?
02:48<viziouz>last string
02:48<kevin>it doesn't give an error unfortunately
02:48<kevin>currently stuck at 20% of "Scanning CD Rom" at /cdrom/pool/main/h...
02:49<kevin>I have been stuck other places too, but always the Scanning CD Rom, just different percentages or folders
02:50<viziouz>have you tried noprobe?
02:50<kevin>im sorry, I do not know what that is...could you explain?
02:51<viziouz>witch version are you installing?
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02:51<kevin>Latest version 5.0, just downloaded tonight
02:52<kevin>is noprobe something I could put into terminal off of OS X?
02:52<kevin>Or is that something I would run after loading the kernel of the CD?
02:53<raver>some version of powerpc is not supported by debian
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02:54<viziouz>I got the same problem installing etch (4.0) version, and I solved typing a custom intallation command
02:54<viziouz>I don't remeber that, but I have stored it somewere :)
02:54<kevin>i would really appreciate it...
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02:55<viziouz>wait, I will log to windows, there are stored my bookmarks, I'll come back. Im in ubuntu right now
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03:04<viziouz>Stil here kevin?
03:05<kevin>still here...thank you
03:05<viziouz>when you boot it from CD
03:06<viziouz>type: boot: install acpi=off generic.all_generic_ide=1
03:06<viziouz>I don't thik it's a 100% solution
03:06<viziouz>but you can try
03:06<kevin>cool, its worth a try
03:07<raver>how to open another terminal in current terminal
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03:07<raver>is it possible?
03:07<viziouz>I'm looking for a help with dpkg...
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03:08<viziouz>can some one give a ride with this? :)
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03:08<Supaplex>!slap the rear of viziouzs' horse
03:08*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across the rear of viziouzs' horse's face
03:09<raver>Ur...what happened?
03:10<viziouz>I'm using etch on my server
03:11<viziouz>few days ago I had a problem with filesystem crashes, I solved it with e2fsck
03:11<viziouz>but now I'm unable to install any package with apt-get
03:12<viziouz>gives me errors like "files list file for package `initramfs-tools' contains empty filename"
03:12<viziouz>(Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ntp_1%3a4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch1_i386.deb (--unpack):
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03:13<viziouz>I tried "apt-get update" then "upgrade" and I had errors to make an upgrade (same errors)
03:13<viziouz>I guess there is a problem with apt databases
03:13<raver>yes,seems so...
03:14<viziouz>does anyone know a trick to repair dpkg without reboot the system? :)))
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03:16<viziouz>something like the option "repair dpkg" when booting Ubuntu as recovery mode :)
03:16<viziouz>but for Debian
03:17<raver>try this:dpkg --configure --pending
03:18<viziouz>hmmmm :)))) thanks, I'll try
03:18<raver>glad to help
03:19<ArthurLiu>viziouz, as root: rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/ntp_1%3a4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch1_i386.deb && aptitude reinstall initramfs-tools
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03:19<ArthurLiu>then us the result
03:20<viziouz>=) thanks!
03:20<viziouz>(Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/initramfs-tools_0.85i_all.deb (--unpack):
03:20<viziouz> files list file for package `initramfs-tools' contains empty filename
03:20<viziouz>Errors were encountered while processing:
03:20<viziouz> /var/cache/apt/archives/initramfs-tools_0.85i_all.deb
03:20<viziouz>Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
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03:21<ArthurLiu>viziouz, run: aptitude clean
03:21<raver>- -||
03:21<ArthurLiu>and please use
03:21<ga_bash>how do i ssh into a remote server that is behind a router.? :)
03:21<viziouz>okay! :)
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03:25<ArthurLiu>ok then retry reinstalling initramfs now
03:25<viziouz>apt-get remove initramfs?
03:25<ArthurLiu>aptitude reinstall initramfs-tools
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03:27<viziouz>no way =(
03:27<viziouz>seems like apt is dead :)
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03:28<ArthurLiu>okaay, do: rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/info//initramfs-tools.list && aptitude reinstall initramfs-tools
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03:30<viziouz>stills giving errors, I apretiate your help :)
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03:30<ArthurLiu>rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/initramfs-tools_0.85i_all.deb
03:31<ArthurLiu>and do "rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/info/PACKAGENAME.list && aptitude reinstall PACKAGENAME" whenever it says a files list file is corrupted
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03:35<viziouz>now it sais " files list file for package `linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf' contains empty filename"
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03:38<ArthurLiu>do it over until everything reinstalls
03:39<viziouz>okay, but it's dangerous to remove "linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf.list"?
03:40<ArthurLiu>no, it's just a list of files, it's not actually removing anything important
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03:40<viziouz>the system wont crash? :)
03:40<ArthurLiu>can't be worse
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03:44<viziouz>ArthurLiu > can you check this?
03:45<viziouz>there are no more errors displayed, i thing
03:45<ArthurLiu>also reinstall initramfs-tools and klibc-utils
03:47<ArthurLiu>as a security, once this is done, do the 4th step of:
03:47<ArthurLiu>this will check all your debian installed files for corruption
03:48<ArthurLiu>may take a while
03:50<viziouz>okay, I willl try this point
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03:51<ArthurLiu>rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/
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03:51<ArthurLiu>and then dpkg --configure --pending
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03:52<viziouz>no output, also not errors
03:53<ArthurLiu>aptitude -i
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03:54<viziouz>I'm on GUI menu now
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03:55<viziouz>what I have to do now? :)
03:56<ArthurLiu>err, it looks like it's working now then
03:56<ArthurLiu>try installing something
03:56<ArthurLiu>if you can't use aptitude, just press ctrl-c
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03:59<viziouz>I think I've installed NTPdate
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04:20<viziouz>ArthurLiu > thanks for your help
04:22<grummund>hi, what does it mean exactly when 'aptitude update' prints stuff either as 'Ign' or 'Hit' ?
04:23<ArthurLiu>it means that it won't redownload some lists that haven't changed
04:24<grummund>so Ign means the file didn't change and therefore not re-downloaded, and Hit means it has changed and is re-downloaded?
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04:29<ArthurLiu>basically yes
04:29<ArthurLiu>you should only be worrying if there's an Err
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04:33<blahbl>hey guys, i got a quick question. i'm mocing my /boot partition around, the new location is /boot located on extended partition. however i cna't seem to get the grub menu displayed during boot, i just get dorpped into grub shell. how can i fix set?
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04:37<axis>so i have a remote server with root access. It has no monitor. I wanted to be able to create a virtual desktop or a remote desktop. I ran apt-get install gnome, and installed everything that came along with it. I then installed vncserver (apt-get install vncserver).. I ran vncserver as user axis, xauth: creating new authority file /home/axis/.Xauthority -- Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession -- but when I connect, all i see is a backro
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04:42<Supaplex>all you see is bacro ... then your message is cut off.
04:43<grummund>ArthurLiu: thanks
04:44<ArthurLiu>axis, populate your .xsession or .xinitrc file
04:45<ArthurLiu>add "gnome-session" for example
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04:46<captain171>any quesion for you all does any one in here not know what ASL is?
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04:47<simonrvn>ask & run. always fun. NOT.
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05:19<Supaplex>!tell captain171 -about asl
05:20<Supaplex>that should be good for a laugh. :)
05:20<simonrvn>heh heh heh
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05:32<raver>anyone know about University of South Caro
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05:42<twb>Hmm, is "ASL" really the ISO 639-3 code for ameslan, or it dpkg just being acerbic?
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05:46<twb>Ha! dpkg lies. The ISO code for ameslan is "sgn" (-2) and "ase" (-3).
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06:08<EmleyMoor>I have a sid vm (kvm) that becomes unusable as soon as gdm starts. Also, I cannot boot it into "recovery" mode from grub as it goes wrong when asking for the root password. How can I gett into it to disable gdm?
06:10<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I'm in this time
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06:12<twb>EmleyMoor: remove gdm from its default runlevel
06:12<twb>EmleyMoor: or just purge gdm entirely.
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06:13<twb>rcconf or update-init.d will help
06:13<ade>hi all..
06:13<twb>That's assuming, of course, that you can chroot into the VM
06:13<twb>ade: I'm not addressing you.
06:14<EmleyMoor>Now I'm actually in the VM I am working on it - my problem was getting in in the first place
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06:27<danger>Hi guys does anyone know if I can mount a Mac formatted hdd in Debian Lenny?
06:28<locklace>should work, the filesystem type should be hfs/hfsplus
06:28<Tigger__>you should be able to danger
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06:29<danger>Thanks guys, is there any risk of damaging any of the files on it during the mounting process can't really afford to lose any of the data on it and my Macbook has died :(
06:29<Tigger__>mount -t hfs /dev/hda2 /mnt .... for example
06:29*EmleyMoor has a shell script to set his mind about this weekend...
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06:29<locklace>danger: no, just mount it readonly
06:30<danger>thanks locklace will do
06:30<weasel>locklace: that's a bold assertion.
06:30<weasel>danger: if you have the space available somewhere, make a backup of the filesystem first.
06:31<danger>I don't have a spare mac system to do the back up, the macbook won't boot at all, so not sure how to back it up without mounting it?
06:31<weasel>copy the block device's content?
06:31<EmleyMoor>danger: You could dd the whole partition to some spare space...
06:32<danger>how would I do that, I have enough space (it's only a 120GB drive)
06:32<EmleyMoor>danger: There are more efficient ways to back up once mounted but at least this way you have a fallback...
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06:33<AzaTht>Wonder when /etc/ will be moved/removed from /etc
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06:33<EmleyMoor>danger: Plug it in - find the block device name that the partition is on - for this example I will assume it is /dev/sdb1 and you have room on /scratch...
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06:34<EmleyMoor>dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/scratch/macbook.hfs (that's all you need IIRC)
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06:34<danger>Thank you EmleyMoor
06:35<k1lumin4t1>gparted is seeing my 80 GB ipod with a FAT32 FS on it as just 9.29 GB of unallocated space
06:36<EmleyMoor>danger: You can then mount the drive and use a more efficient way to back it up, safe in the knowledge that if it deos go pear-shaped you have a copy of it as it was to put back
06:36<k1lumin4t1>while fdisk -l shows it fine
06:36<danger>That's a very sensible solution
06:37<weasel>danger: if the disk itself is fine then you should actually work on the copy, and not on the original.
06:37<weasel>if you however fear that the disk is dying then try to make two copies :)
06:37<weasel>one to mess with and one to keep safe.
06:37<EmleyMoor>You could loopback mount thi image instead of the disk
06:37<danger>I take it I can mount the copy then just like an .iso file. The disk *should* be fine
06:38<EmleyMoor>danger: With the "loop" option, it should work
06:39<danger>okay thanks for that, another plus *nix then because there was no way in hell I could figure out how to access Mac formatted disks in windoze in the past :)
06:39<weasel>danger: and for $deity's sake, they are not "mac formatted"
06:39<weasel>"mac" is not a filesystem.
06:39<weasel>they are probably hfs or hfs+ or something like that
06:40<EmleyMoor>I have had my bacon saved by Linux or occasionally FreeBSD maany times
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06:41<EmleyMoor>At one time my most movable box had FreeBSD on it - nowadays I don't really have a movable box with lots of space on it so I tend to bring disks here for emergency work
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06:42<weasel>I tend to do backups.
06:42<EmleyMoor>weasel: Yes - I do - my mother doesn't though
06:42<danger>I only backup the difference between a fresh install the current system state
06:42<danger>saves space
06:42<weasel>EmleyMoor: I tend to tell those people when their computer breaks "Good thing it didn't have anything important on it"
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06:43<weasel>EmleyMoor: because otherwise you see it'd have been backuped
06:43<EmleyMoor>I do a monthly full backup, weekly increments and, over those, daily increments
06:43<danger>Seems a little OTT?
06:43<EmleyMoor>I find my differences soon get rather large otherwise
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06:45<EmleyMoor>Maybe, if I can find a more efficient way of getting filesystems on my VMs, it may be possible to revise the strategy
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06:46<EmleyMoor>(can kvm disk images be accessed in native?"
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06:46<weasel>I don't think they have any special image format
06:47<weasel>at least never the way I used them
06:47<weasel>so obviously yes.
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06:47<EmleyMoor>I think I need to rename my LVM VGs... to avoid clashes.
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06:50<locklace>EmleyMoor: what do you use for your incremental backups?
06:51<EmleyMoor>I stard on the first Saturday of the month with a level 0, second level 1, third level 2, fourth if there is one level 3
06:52<EmleyMoor>Sun-Fri I do an "incremental" - previous level + 1
06:52<weasel>so many backup tools.
06:52<Y2K>Anyone know if FiSH (IRC Encryption) can be used with v2.8.6?
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06:52<weasel>WTF is FiSH.
06:53<EmleyMoor>Y2K: v2.8.6 of what?
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06:53<Y2K>Sorry Xchat
06:53<EmleyMoor>Never heard of FiSH either
06:54<weasel>ah, blowfish for irc.
06:54<weasel>sounds pretty useless
06:54<weasel>I wonder what the real protocol behind is
06:55<weasel>look into OTR, if you care about that kind of thing
06:55<Y2K>How do I downgrade to v2.4.5 then?
06:55<weasel>you don't.
06:56<weasel>fish apparently doesn't do anything to authenticate messages
06:57<Y2K>Hmm a friend wants me to use it :)
06:57<Y2K>Wheres the plugin dir?
06:57<weasel>tell him about OTR.
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07:02<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to access the filesystems other than the first on a qemu image? 2nd partition on mine has LVM
07:03<twb>EmleyMoor: -hdb /dev/mapper/foo-bar ?
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07:03<EmleyMoor>twb: Ah - looking to access them on the host
07:03<twb>EmleyMoor: oh, you mean you want to mount stuff that *was* being used by qemu?
07:04<twb>I don't know how to do that with LVM, but if they were ordinary partitions you'd mount -o loopback,offset=NNN
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07:04<ml|>EmleyMoor: how do you like flexbackup compared to rsnapshop, if you have used it
07:04<EmleyMoor>I see - have found how to find the offset now
07:04<EmleyMoor>ml|: Not used.
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07:05<ml|>EmleyMoor: can explain how flexback works?
07:05<EmleyMoor>flexbackup gives me "archive to spare space" and "dump"-style levels... I can thet use cdbackup if I wish to make CD or DVD images
07:06<twb>EmleyMoor: ah, that's exciting
07:06<EmleyMoor>ml|: Supports many common backups
07:06<twb>EmleyMoor: google should help, IIRC you use "sfdisk -l" to list the partitions, then multiply by something like 4 or 512
07:06<EmleyMoor>(tar.bz2 is what I use)
07:06<ml|>EmleyMoor: ok will read up on thanks
07:06<twb>EmleyMoor: if you're lucky, LVM will have used continuous extents, so you can just pretend LVM isn't there
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07:07<ml|>I have used tar.bz2 in the past, but it's a pain to get indivual files out of an archive
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07:45<jetli68>hi there can any one help me with a little problem ?
07:46<jetli68>i am installing lenny debian 5 on my laptop
07:46<jetli68>it found my wireless card but when it search for accsess point
07:47<jetli68>it says none found
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07:47<jetli68>i have disabled seccruity on it but still does not find it
07:47<jetli68>and when i enable it and put it in manually it says password is wrong
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07:54<vince_>Hello :--)
07:54<vince_>(I have a big nose)
07:54<cahoot>iwlist scan doesn't turn up any ap's?
07:56<ffws>cahoot: the device is up?
07:56<cahoot>ffws: it was a q that should have been directed to jetli68
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07:57<cahoot>ffws: don't be - carry with jetli68
07:57<cahoot>carry on
07:58<ffws>jetli68: how do you search, which wireless chip?
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08:00<jetli68>when i was instaliing it give me 2 choices
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08:01<jetli68>it does not find the accses point and the key it want is a wep but my is a wpa key
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08:03<hans>dinsport: please explain your message, i'm completely unfamiliar with xchat
08:03<jetli68>who me?
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08:06<cahoot>jetli68: is this a debian system? what wireless device is this? (chipset)
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08:07<abrotman>hans: ignore it .. it's spam
08:07<jetli68>yes m8 debian 5
08:07<hans>abrotman: thank you
08:07<cahoot>jetli68: and... what wireless device is this? (chipset)
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08:08<jetli68> it found my amos wireless
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08:09<jetli68>it found it when was installing and all so my ethernet one aswell
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08:11<cahoot>jetli68: that's fine but since it doesn't work as expected it might be worthwhile to provide some more info
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08:11<jetli68>k right after it found wireless it done a search for acsess point and found none
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08:12<cahoot>jetli68: what wireless device is this? (chipset) - try lspci -vv
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08:12<cahoot>unless of course it's a usb thingie
08:13<jetli68>where in terminal ?
08:13<cahoot>that's correct
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08:13<jetli68>no not usb it built into laptop
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08:13<cahoot>jetli68: don't paste the ouput here though - possibly on a pastebin
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08:14<jetli68>paste bin?
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08:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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08:18<jetli68>k just trying to get it from laptop to here
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08:19<Woet>When enabling screen logging with SCREEN (-L), is it possible to specify which file it should go to?
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08:22<jetli68>k got that going to paste now
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08:26<mike>sera atutti
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08:28*panarchy says Hi
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08:28<Panarchy>I'm starting to learn how to package for Ubuntu using the official guide: however, at that point (rules) I can't seem to understand it. On my system (Jaunty i386 9.04) on VMware, I'm getting the following rules file:
08:29<Panarchy>Can someone please explain? [am making universal packages, which will be compatible with Ubuntu, Debian & Debris] Or can someone please suggest a better guide?
08:29<Panarchy>Thanks in advance
08:29<abrotman>Panarchy: you probably want #ubuntu on
08:29<jetli68>it will not let me copy the file to my usb stick it copys but when i put in the computer it is not there
08:30<Panarchy>abrotman: I plan on making Universal Packages, which will work on all Debian based/derived Operating Systems.
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08:30<abrotman>Panarchy: or or read the debian packaging guide
08:30<dpkg>A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
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08:32<karim>besides pbuilder I mean
08:32<Panarchy>Already setup pbuilder
08:32<pterk>I've made bad mistake... I did a rm -rf on /dev (long story short: i had it mounted --bind on a chroot). Does anyone know how to get the most basic devics back? For example daemon.log says mdadm: DeviceDisappeared event detected on md device /dev/md1
08:33<abrotman>pterk: reboot?
08:33<karim>hard reset
08:33<cahoot>restarting udev wouldn't do?
08:33<karim>some devices are detected by the kernel
08:33<Panarchy>Already have build-essential, devscripts, ubuntu-dev-tools, debhelper, dh-make, diff and patch, quilt, gnupg, fakeroot, lintian and linda & pbuilder
08:33<karim>and created by the kernel I believe
08:33<abrotman>cahoot: i won't pretend to understand all the magic of udev :)
08:33<pterk>Hmm, i'm connected remotely.
08:34<pterk>and ssh back in doesn't work at the moment so i'm a bit freaked out about rebooting
08:34<pterk>i'll try udev
08:34<cahoot>abrotman: well I'm just handing out random thoughts anyway
08:34<petern>if the machine runs udev, then a reboot should be okay
08:34<petern>if it doesn't... don't
08:34<Woet>When enabling screen logging with SCREEN (-L), is it possible to specify which file it should go to?
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08:35<pterk>I've run /etc/init.d/udev restart and I can now log in with ssh! Thanks
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08:35<pterk>hard lesson. again...
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08:36<Panarchy>abrotman: I'll go through the aforementioned guide, thanks.
08:36<dpkg>A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
08:37<abrotman>Panarchy: you can also /msg dpkg mg
08:38<Panarchy>This line doesn't work;
08:38<Panarchy>www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html"
08:38<Panarchy>think it needs another "
08:38<Panarchy>Where do I report problems with the bot?
08:39<abrotman>or take the last one off
08:41<Panarchy>Where do I report problems with the bot?
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08:42<Panarchy>Is www-browser lynx?
08:43<abrotman>Panarchy: on ubuntu?
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08:45<abrotman>Panarchy: how would we know? normally it's a /etc/alternatives/ thing
08:46<Woet>When enabling screen logging with SCREEN (-L), is it possible to specify which file it should go to?
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08:48<Panarchy>this is the same thing though, just online, right?
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08:49<Panarchy>Is it better to build Packages for Debian, Ubuntu & Debris on Ubuntu or Debian?
08:49<abrotman>what software is this?
08:51<mosno_>Debris? lol
08:51<Panarchy>abrotman: All kinds of unpackages Security Software
08:51<mosno_>what's the point of that distro
08:52<abrotman>Panarchy: personally .. since you're in #debian, i'd suggest debian
08:52<Panarchy>mosn_: Minimal Ubuntu Based distribution which uses GNOME and can work on older comps. Under 200MB
08:52<Panarchy>abrotman: So I wouldn't have any trouble with Debian?
08:52<abrotman>Panarchy: i have no idea what your technical level is
08:52<Panarchy>(in the way of installing on Ubuntu & Ubuntu based systems)
08:53<mosno_>Panarchy: if you package for Debian it'll eventually end up in Ubuntu anyway, right?
08:53<Panarchy>abrotman: About junior network admin
08:53<abrotman>Panarchy: i have no idea .. you're being vague .. i have no diea what your software depends on .. i couldn't possibly answer that question
08:53<Panarchy>I'll stick to Ubuntu then
08:53<abrotman>Panarchy: if that's really your prime target .. that'd be a better plan
08:54<abrotman>or package it for debian officially .. it'll probably end up in their universal system i'd guess
08:54<Panarchy>hard to be official?
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08:55<abrotman>!tell Panarchy about nm
08:55<abrotman>or find a sponsor
08:55<gravity>Not again
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08:56<Panarchy>A sponsor?
08:56<Panarchy>How do I get one?
08:56<Panarchy>No one I know would be interested, or don't know Linux.
08:56<Panarchy>(face-2-face ppl)
08:56<Pa0l0>qualcuno parla italiano ?
08:57<abrotman>Panarchy: you have to figure out what you want to package for first
08:57<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:58<Panarchy>abrotman: I already know
08:58<Panarchy>Security tools, in general
08:58<abrotman>which distro ...
08:58<Panarchy>Creating my own
08:59<Panarchy>Using the BackTrack tool-list as a guide
08:59<abrotman>wtf .. have fun
08:59<abrotman>this channel is for support for Debian users .. not your-own-distro
08:59<Panarchy>I am making packages that will be compliant with the Debian Packaging code
08:59<Panarchy>(or whatever it's called)
09:00<abrotman>you have the manual you need to do that .. enjoy
09:00<Panarchy>But what about the stuff about a Sponsor?
09:00<abrotman>that's only for an official debian package .. not "compliant with debian"
09:00<Panarchy>I can do that
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09:01<abrotman>so prepare your package first .. then come back to find a sponsor
09:01<Panarchy>As I'll already be making ones for FreeBSD, Mac OS X, Ubuntu, Fedora & Windows, so what's one more?
09:02<Panarchy>abrotman: Will you be my sponsor?
09:02<abrotman>i cannot
09:02<Gekz>Panarchy: look
09:02<Gekz>if your package gets merged into debian unstable
09:03<Panarchy>On an unrelated note, how do I force the installation of a package if the dependencies aren't right?
09:03<Gekz>it gets merged into Ubuntu
09:03<abrotman>Panarchy: you don't
09:03<Gekz>so you would be best supporting debian
09:03<Panarchy>abrotman: The dependencies are fine, just one is of a version ahead
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09:03<abrotman>you don't force dependencies ..
09:03<Panarchy>Gekz: The dependencies are fine, just one is of a version ahead
09:03*gravity headdesk
09:04<Panarchy>Is it possible?
09:04<abrotman>Panarchy: on which distro ?
09:04<Panarchy>Ubuntu & Debian
09:04<Gekz>Panarchy: recompile it so it links to the new library
09:04<Panarchy>(tabs within VMware :D)
09:04<abrotman>Panarchy: which distro?
09:04<Panarchy>(tabs within VMware :D)
09:04<Panarchy>Gekz: It's the GNU g77 Fortran Compiler...
09:05*abrotman waits for the correct answer
09:05<gravity>Panarchy: You really need to be reading documentation for yourself
09:05<Panarchy>I want to
09:05<gravity>Then do it
09:05<gravity>You've been pointed at this stuff in the past
09:05<Panarchy>However, as part of the 'things needed section' it mentioned the g77 compiler
09:05<abrotman>Panarchy: and which distro can't install that package?
09:06<abrotman>Panarchy: for the last time .. go to #ubuntu for Ubuntu support
09:07<Panarchy>I'm the only one on that channel
09:07<cahoot>try freenode
09:08<abrotman>why not?
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09:08<Panarchy>I was banned a few months ago for cross-posting. If someone here would be kind-enough to go onto the Freenode network and request my account be unbanned, so that I can discuss my case on #freenode, I'd really appreciate it!
09:08<Panarchy>Thanks in advance
09:08<abrotman>Panarchy: get on freenode .. msg the op that banned you .. this is not a #debian problem
09:08<Panarchy>I can't get on FreeNode
09:08<Panarchy>That's the whole point
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09:09<cahoot>sorry I misunderstood you
09:09<Panarchy>Wait, joy to the world
09:09<Panarchy>I've been unbanned.
09:09<gravity>We're not here to be your advocates, nor are we here to provide support for Ubuntu
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09:09<Panarchy>Checked 30min ago couldn't access it, now I can.
09:10<Panarchy>Thanks for all the help (especially abrotman and Gekz)
09:10*Panarchy says Thanks
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09:20<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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09:22<Panarchy>That reminds me, a Russian chick won Miss World 2009
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09:34<Panarchy>Hello, maybe change the Debian Maintainters guide to use instead of g77 gfortran
09:34<Panarchy>(instead of g77, gfortran)
09:34<Sokolas>hello! i connect to internet with gprs phone and bluetooth. when i connect, a lot of programs slow down very much: kopete starts 1-2 mminutes after i click the button, firefox hangs up every time i try to type smth in address bar...
09:35<abrotman>Panarchy: you're using ubuntu .. not our problem
09:37<Sokolas>at least can anyone tell me where should i look at to know what causes these problems?
09:37<Panarchy>From what I've heard g77 is obsolete.
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09:38<Panarchy>abrotman: From what I've heard g77 is obsolete.
09:38<abrotman>you're using ubuntu
09:38<abrotman>Sokolas: sounds like possibly a dns or routing issue?
09:39<abrotman>if you don't like the packaging manual .. file a bug on it
09:39<Panarchy>abrotman: That doesn't change what I am saying
09:39<Sokolas>abrotman: what should i check to know?
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09:39<abrotman>Sokolas: route -n .. cat /etc/resolv.conf
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09:40<abrotman>Sokolas: even things like ssh to other hosts?
09:40<Sokolas>console programs work, i can ping hosts
09:41<Sokolas>and irssi works...
09:41<abrotman>so only GUI apps?
09:41<jrabbit>you broke kde or gnome?
09:41<abrotman>Sokolas: tried restarting iceweasel?
09:42<Sokolas>it restarts for smth like 1-2 minutes
09:42<Sokolas>when i disconnect, it works pretty fast
09:43<Sokolas>should i paste "route -n" output here?
09:43<fxiny>ipv6 ?
09:43<Sokolas>fxiny: no idea
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09:45<fxiny>Sokolas: firefox about:config try disable ipv6 = true
09:45<abrotman>eh .. where's your gateway?
09:45<Sokolas>abrotman: no idea =\
09:46<Sokolas>how can i set it up?
09:47<abrotman>Sokolas: what about `ip route` ?
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09:47<abrotman>jlgshk: i think you want /server .. and then /join #ubuntu-es
09:48<Sokolas> dev ppp0 proto kernel scope link src
09:48<Sokolas>default dev ppp0 scope link
09:50<Sokolas>but.. why do other programs work then? irssi, for example
09:51<abrotman>Sokolas: what's in /etc/hosts ?
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09:52<Sokolas> localhost
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09:52<Sokolas>that's all
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10:03<Sokolas>abrotman: looks like X problem =\
10:03<abrotman>seems odd .. but okay
10:03<Sokolas>what can i do to check?
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10:08<Sokolas>abrotman: i've opened some konqueror windows, and kde didn't response to mouse clicks any more
10:08<Sokolas>same was with gnome
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10:18<Axaes_Xandal>aloha, I just migrated to KDE4 and now I can't execute shell scripts anymore, even though they are set to be executable.
10:19<Axaes_Xandal>Is this a known thing, as in having to change some settings somewhere
10:19<Axaes_Xandal>I have several linux applications which are not installed in the repositories but live in their own folder
10:19<avu>you might be better off asking #kde on freenode, I don't think there are that many KDE users here
10:20<Axaes_Xandal>OK, will try
10:20<Axaes_Xandal>is that
10:21<avu>sounds right
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10:38<justaguy>Morning, I have come from running deb sid, and have gotten accustommed to the 2.6.29 kernel and it's "built-in" madwifi drivers, having down-graded to testing and installed the 2.6.29 kernel for that very reason. I am now having a bit of a problem on how far I can safely go with installing nvidia drivers to the non-native kernel. Question, doea a "native" testing kernel have madwifi built-in? (To ease my install of my nvidia driver?)
10:39<abrotman>madwifi or ath5k?
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10:39<enouf>kernel's migrate
10:39<enouf>er - the '
10:40<enouf>- == minus
10:40<justaguy>hmm, I have always installed madwifi, and needed to compile it
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10:40<justaguy>but I do have an ath chip set
10:40<blubdiebla>does someone know, how i can drop into the initramfs shell?
10:40<enouf>blubdiebla: you want busybox
10:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
10:41<enouf>run the installer in rescue mode .. maybe
10:41<enouf>or .. why not just boot into 'single' (recovery), though it's not busybox
10:41<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do?
10:42<blubdiebla>i want to find out what stuff get's loaded in the initramfs, what /dev/ are available and test some other stuff
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10:42<enouf>udev populates /dev
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10:43<ubuntu_>where can I get more IRC servers? the default list from Konversation of channels isnt very big
10:43<enouf>cp the initrd.img somewhere; cd /somewhere ; zcat initrd.img-version | cpio -i
10:43<blubdiebla>isn't there a hotkey, that drops me into the shell
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10:43<blubdiebla>i just want to see it running
10:44<enouf>you could try telinit 1 for starters, then also check which processes are left with ps aux, or pstree
10:44<ubuntu_>IRC server anyone?
10:44<enouf>oh, and if your DM reappears to login, select Console or whatever from it;s menu
10:44<enouf>ubuntu_: google would know
10:44<bja>blubdiebla: when booting edit your grub prompt and erase (its only temporary) the word quiet, everything will show up on your screen
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10:45<enouf>since when is quiet in the kernel line?
10:45<bja>enouf: I believe since etch but then I'm not sure
10:46<enouf>'pkill ?dm' to kill your DM ;-)
10:46<enouf>bja: not that i ever saw
10:46<erKURITA>bja not anymore, me thinks
10:46<blubdiebla>i don't have quite in the menu.lst. When you start debian, with an invalid root filesystem, initramfs drops you into the shell "(initramfs)"
10:46<enouf>i think it's a *buntu thing
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10:46<blubdiebla>that's the shell i want to get into
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10:47<ubuntu_>does anyone else use Konversation>
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10:47<enouf>ubuntu_: try ##linux on
10:47<bja>blubdiebla: Thats an ash shell from busybox, want to get there without any kernel loaded??
10:47<enouf>ash is also within the installer
10:48<enouf>the kernel is always loaded, otherwise nothing would work
10:48<ubuntu_>do you know a good IRC server i can add, the default list of channels is pretty short
10:48<abrotman>ubuntu_: ask #ubuntu on
10:48<arc>trying to implement us,es keyboard option in Lenny's xorg.conf has failed so far, whats up with lenny's X?
10:49<enouf>the kernel (loaded in memory) is what loads the initrd
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10:49<bja> blubdiebla: Once again when you are booting you can edit the kernel line and change any part of the vmlinuz program and it will keep waiting until i times out and then your are where you are asking to be
10:49<enouf>arc: using XOption ; XKboptions ?
10:49<enouf>in xorg.conf?
10:49<arc>i did that, at least i did what i always have done, but it doesnt work
10:50<arc>in xorg.conf
10:50<bja>enouf: you are right, i meant the root file system, Had a rough day
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10:50*enouf will bb in a few
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10:50<blubdiebla>so far i do understand you all, but isn't there a faster way to get into the busybox than to wait for the timeout?
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10:52*gravity wonders if arc isn't actually on unstable
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10:52<bja>blubdiebla: the shell you are looking is a last resort of the system for you to check what went wrong, its not supposed to be your normal booting shell
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10:54<hans>help me please : how do i contact network support ?
10:54<arc>gravity: i was on unstable, there I had three keyboards working, but when gnome and X broke a few days ago, I switched to stable (clean new install), now even two keyboards is not working
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10:54<blubdiebla>right, i just thought, that there would be a faster way (via kernel parameters) to get in to the initramfs-shell
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10:58<adb>judd: versions vim
10:58<judd>adb: vim -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5 etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2 lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 squeeze: 2:7.2.130-1 sid: 2:7.2.148-2
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10:59<bja>judd: versions kvm
10:59<judd>bja: kvm -- etch-backports: 28-4~bpo.1 lenny: 72+dfsg-5~lenny1 sid: 72+dfsg-5 squeeze: 72+dfsg-5 experimental: 84+dfsg-2
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11:06<hans>help : how do i contact network support ?
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11:07<bja>hans: Too vague a question what is wrong??
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11:08<hans>bja: i want to contact network support, but i don't know how
11:08<arc>gravity: , enouf: fixed, it was actually never broken, I had changed the keys to switch between keyboards and had forgotten that: proof>> (eng, evi), (es, oño), (ru, жи). Thanks.
11:08<cahoot>what do you mean by 'network support' ? hans
11:09<hans>my nick is in use and i want to ask to drop it
11:09<EmleyMoor>What is the best way to rename a lvm volume group on a squeeze or sid box? I obviously need some way to access it without using any of it.
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11:10<cahoot>hans: try /msg nickserv ghost <nick>
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11:10<hans>cahoot: thanks
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11:13<hxB5>Hi there - first time i connect here. Is it ok to ask technical questions here?
11:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
11:13<hxB5>or is there another chan
11:13<avu>hxB5, as long as it's debian related, you're right here
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11:13<hxB5>ok - i would like to know, how i can determine (debian lenny) which driver is associated with a specific device
11:14<abrotman>PCI? lspci -k
11:14<cahoot>lspci -k
11:14<hxB5>no, i get the device from lsusb
11:14<abrotman>!which driver
11:14<dpkg>somebody said driver locator was To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into
11:14<abrotman>hrm .. wonder if it only works for pci
11:14<hxB5>Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0a5c:2101 Broadcom Corp. A-Link BlueUsbA2 Bluetooth
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11:16<SQlvpapir> lazy hcl
11:16<hxB5>ok, will give it a shot
11:16<SQlvpapir>use lspci -n
11:16<abrotman>SQlvpapir: see above
11:17<SQlvpapir>oh I am too late then :)
11:17<hxB5>cahoot, i will have a look
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11:19<hans>cahoot : i'm beginning to pull my hairs, i was told to do 'regain nick password', but i don't have a password, if i would have one, i wouldn't have to regain my password
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11:20<cahoot>hans: well if you haven't registered the nick I doubt you can claim it
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11:24<hans>cahoot: if the nick is not in use for some time, network support can make it available to me, so i was told at login, but i'm in as hans, so they think hans is in use ?
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11:25<cahoot>hans: tried register 'hans' ?
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11:26<torrancew>hi guys, having some trouble with debian lenny x64 here... for the most part it runs fine, but once in a while (every few days or so), my mouse stops responding altogether, and nothing except a reboot brings it back
11:26<torrancew>any suggestions for a fix/log file to check?
11:27<torrancew>(running gnome & gdm, btw)
11:27<EmleyMoor>torrancew: What kind of mouse?
11:27<torrancew>wireless, part of a "wireless desktop", the keyboard remains responsive
11:27<avu>torrancew, just the mouse? so the keyboard continues to work? and even restarting X doesn't help?
11:27<cahoot>hans if that's the case then try /msg nickserv help register (unless I totally miss the point)
11:27<torrancew>avu: correct
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11:27<Nemoder>it's not something silly like a low battery is it?
11:28<avu>torrancew, and reconnecting the mouse (in case it's USB) doesn't help either?
11:28<torrancew>nope Nemoder, changed em last week
11:28<torrancew>avu: the keyboard and mouse share a single cord, and reconnecting it does no good
11:28<avu>torrancew, anything strange showing up in dmesg?
11:29<torrancew>EmleyMoor: Logitech Cordless Desktop S510
11:29<torrancew>avu: you know, i should be cursing myself for not checking
11:29<torrancew>avu:it just happened about 5 mins. ago, no way to predict the next time it will, any other logs i should look at?
11:29<Nemoder>does it freeze randomly while using it or only when the machine has been idle?
11:30<avu>torrancew, recording lsusb output before and after the failure might be interesting as well. but dmesg should be the most important thing to check
11:30<hans>cahoot: i'll try it again, but then i'll give up, it's too frustrating. thanks for your help
11:30<cahoot>contemplating the significance of a cordless device with one cord
11:30<avu>torrancew, of course, having a look at syslog can't hurt either
11:30<torrancew>cahoot: i hope you realize i meant that the receiver is shared and has one cord
11:31<torrancew>thanks, avu
11:31<avu>torrancew, tried that reconnecting button pressing game with the mouse/receiver, too?
11:31<torrancew>over and over again, avu
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11:32<torrancew>been running lenny for the better part of a month (after ubuntu i tried and hated ubuntu x64 for its instabilities), and it's happened a couple times a week
11:32<torrancew>oops, that was barely coherent
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11:33<EmleyMoor>I have everything but /boot on two VMs in LVM - I need to rename the volume groups to avoid a clash. Other that renaming it and fixing the fstab using a live CD, is there anything else I need to do?
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11:33<jan>ales kler
11:34<abrotman>english please
11:34<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
11:34<jan>keine englisch
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11:35<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @
11:35<torrancew>well, thanks avu, i'll keep an eye on lsusb, dmesg and syslog
11:35<jan>ich bin aus bulgaria
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11:36<cahoot>jan: nice - but the accepted language here is english
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11:39<jan>imali blgari tuk
11:39<hans>cahoot : i did as suggested, guess what ? i was told to contact network support. now i understand how a tiger must feel in a cage
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11:40<jan>ima li nqkoi ot bg tuk
11:40<cahoot>I doubt anyone steals the nick from a tiger
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11:43<bulgaria>qvno nqma blgari tuk
11:43<hans>does nobody know how to contact network support ? i will praise him or her every time i join this channel ?
11:43<abrotman>bulgaria: english please
11:43<ml|>hans: #oftc
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11:44<ml|>ask a staff member for help
11:44<bulgaria>fach englisch
11:44<EmleyMoor>What is a good live CD with lvm support?
11:44<abrotman>bulgaria: what language do you speak?
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11:45<abrotman>bulgaria: please speak english in this channel or go to
11:45<hans>i was there. i was told to join a channel, but not what channel, so i joined this channel
11:46<hans>that was for ml|
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11:46<ml|>hans join #oftc you get help there
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11:46<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: You can use Debian Live, the rescue variant should (IIRC) come with the lvm2 package.
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11:46<trueno>Hi! Is there any example of iptables+conntrack there? I cannot get it to work: -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --sport 554 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
11:46<ml|>hans: might have to wait for a staff member but ask there
11:46<trueno>2.6.29, btw
11:47<hans>ml|:that makes sense. thanks a lot
11:48<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: Of course, once I've done one I can use it to do the other - or just use the live CD
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11:49<EmleyMoor>If I have / on the lvm, I need to alter something in boot or the initrd, don't I?
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11:50<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: I am doing this with the intention of mounting my VM partitions on the n
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11:50<EmleyMoor>host. ro, for backup
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11:50<EmleyMoor>Any guidance on mounting filesystems from an lvm on such an image?
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11:54<felix>hi. i cant write cd/dvd with anything. cant detect blank media
11:54<hxB5>Me again on drivers... when i run a lspci -k command, i see that most of my peripherals have modules attached to the output of that command... however the part concerning the graphic card doesn't display any modules. Does this mean that i am piloting that card with a generic driver?
11:54<EmleyMoor>felix: Does the drive read OK?
11:55<felix>yes, and i can mount writen media
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11:57<ottoshmidt>keyboard layout won't change after restart on lenny, need to uncheck/check shortcut settings each time.. :(
11:58<cahoot>hxB5: intel isn't listed here for my Display controller - so I guess that's ok
11:58<felix>i can move the pointer with the ps2 mouse, but i can with a usb keyb/touchpad
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11:58<felix>i can't move the pointer with the ps2 mouse, but i can with a usb keyb/touchpad
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11:58<hxB5>Ok - you also see that most of the peripherals have modules attached but not your graphic card?
11:59<cahoot>hxB5: err scratch that - it's listed under Host bridge:
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12:01<Rioting_Pacifist>is anybody running the firefox 3.5(beta)? (sheritoko) and flashblock?
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12:02<abrotman>Rioting_Pacifist: firefox isn't in debian
12:03<cahoot>also isn't it the case that the addons lags behind?
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12:03<Rioting_Pacifist>yeah but im looking into a bug and wonderd if anybody was running 32bit sheritoko on linux, save me getting the 32bit libs and all that jazz
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12:04<ottoshmidt>why wouldn't keyboard switch after relogin?
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12:04<ottoshmidt>I mean language
12:06<EmleyMoor>If I have filesystems from a qemu image file mounted read only on the host, is it safe to use the image in qemu at the same time?
12:06<EmleyMoor>(or kvm for that matter)
12:06<gdf9ol>Hello people, I have a very basic question:
12:06<gdf9ol>I have a hard disc (SATA) which I use to mount on /dev/sda But this operation is only available to
12:06<gdf9ol>root. I would like to make it available to a user. What should I do? I am on debian etch. Thanks
12:06<firekraag>hi, does someone knows how to automatically enable numlock when i log in a console (i mean a real console, ctrl+alt+fx)
12:07<EmleyMoor>gdf9ol: The "user" option in the fstab would allow it
12:07<hans>cahoot: it worked. Thanks again for your help!
12:07<bja> gdf9ol: Who mounts the disk?
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12:08<Rioting_Pacifist>gdf9ol: add user to its line in fstab OR do something clever in sudo OR write a script and setuid stuff up on it, but the 1st is the easiest
12:08*xwindowcrash lagi nonton kick andy
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12:09<Rioting_Pacifist>would simply unpacking a 32bit firefox tar from mozila ftp, work on a 64bit debian or do i need to install 32bit libs 1st?
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12:10<firekraag>why don't you want to use iceweasel ? it's the same but full free =D
12:10<firekraag>but I think you will have to install the 32bit libs
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12:12<Rioting_Pacifist>there are many advantages to 3.5 and while i like using stable base, I much prefer running the latest firefox to sticking with FF3 for the next couple of years
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12:13<gdf9ol>emleyMoor, bja, Rioting_Pacifist: at present this disc is not included in fstab, I mount it by hand every time. You mean that it is easier to get one extra line in fstab, right? but if i want to keep this feature that I mount the disc only when I want can I do this?
12:14<EmleyMoor>gdf9ol: noauto option needs to be added as well in that case
12:14<gdf9ol>emleyMorr: great thanks, I will try this
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12:14<Rioting_Pacifist>noauto,user should work ( i think user means you cant execute anything on the disk, so you may want to add exec)
12:15<lemma>are there installable debug-symbols for xorg somewhere in the repositories?
12:15<Guest2043>Hola a todos quiero saber como montar un disco
12:15<firekraag>do you understand english guest2043 ?
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12:16<Guest2043>more or less
12:16<firekraag>to mount a disk there are 2 steps
12:16<Guest2043>how can i do
12:17<firekraag>1- create a directory in /media or /mnt (or wherever else...)
12:17<firekraag>mkdir /media/mydisk
12:17<bja>Guest2043: If you don't understand everything you cal allways go to #debian-es. Si no entiendes todo siempre puedes ir a #debian-es
12:17<firekraag>2- mount the disk into that directory
12:18<firekraag>sudo mount /dev/<your partition (e.g. sdb1)> /media/mydisk
12:18<firekraag>to unmount : sudo umount /dev/<your partition>
12:18<firekraag>and rm -r /media/mydisk
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12:19<firekraag>the drawback is that you have to log as root to mount, so the owner of the files will be root (not very good to keep root while doing user actions)
12:19<firekraag>i don't know how to avoid this but i rarely mount manually
12:20<Guest2043>My partition es sda1
12:20<firekraag>do you use Gnome ?
12:20<firekraag>so you use XFCE, not gnome
12:21<firekraag>unless you installed gnome also... what does your interface looks ?
12:21<Guest2043>thats right
12:21<firekraag>i don't know how to do that with XFCE sorry, but with gnome you can add a disk-mounter to your panel
12:21<firekraag>a kind of widget
12:22<lemma>(nvm, found the debugging symbols)
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12:23<Guest2043>what is a widget
12:23<firekraag>have you tried to mount /dev/sda1 manually guest2043 ? if mkdir doesn't work you may need a sudo
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12:23<firekraag>a widget is... hum i'm french my english is too bad don't know how to explain it
12:23<bja>Guest2043: Una sola vez en Español, Para montar un disco primero tienes que identificar en el subdirectorio /dev/ cual es el disco ej. /dev/hda, el "device" lo vas a montar en un subdirectorio el cual tienes que crear donde te de la gana con mkdir /tu/subdirectorio si quieres que esto funcione para cualquier usuario tienes que darlo de alta en /etc/fstab con la palabra adicional useer.
12:23<dpkg>hmm... widget is a thing - like a button, or a bit of text, or a window, or a tree item, or..
12:24<bja>Sorry everyone for my Spanish
12:24<bja>a quick and dirty way to mount a disk
12:24<Guest2043>sda1 bja
12:24<Guest2043>si entiendo
12:25<Guest2043>thank you firekraag
12:25<firekraag>no prob, it worked ?
12:25<Guest2043>not yet
12:26<Guest2043>bja i already did that
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12:27<bja>Guest2043: did it work?
12:27<Guest2043>but i have a message debe especificar el tipo de ficheros
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12:27<firekraag>is your filesystem NTFS ?
12:27<firekraag>is it a windows disk
12:27<Guest2043>in english you must determine the file type
12:28<Guest2043>yes NTFS
12:28<Guest2043>my windows disk failed
12:28<firekraag>is it the internal disk, or a removable drive ?
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12:29<bja>The really esasy way, add to your fstab file the following
12:29<Guest2043>i want to read from linux to get again my files
12:29<firekraag>if it's a removable drive you MUST unmount it properly on Windows else it won't be accessible on Linux
12:30<firekraag>ok so i let the others help i can't help anymore :s
12:30<bja>/dev/hda1 /your/subdir ntfs user,noauto,umask=0222 0 2
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12:31<Guest2043>my partition is sda12
12:31<bja>First column your device, second your mounting point, third column filesystem type
12:31<bja>replace hda1 with sda1
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12:33<Guest2043>i am working in xubuntu
12:33<bja> fourth column are options, first user, anyone can mount it, noauto, it will not be mounted automatically, umask =0222 so you don't overwrite something and it gets messed up
12:33<bja> and the last two i really don't remember.
12:33<bja>Did it work?
12:33<Guest2043>not yet
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12:34<firekraag>for me it says that the usage is not correct and displays --help
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12:35<bja>firekraag: the line i wrote is for fstab, after that you just type mount /your/dir and it should automagically mount the volume
12:35<firekraag>does anyone knows how to automatically enable NumLock when I open a console (no X server, real consoles)
12:35<firekraag>ok bja
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12:35<bja>firekraag: I think that is a Bios default, you have to set it up from there :(
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12:37<firekraag>no it's not a bios default
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12:37<firekraag>when i go to the bios it's enabled :D
12:37<firekraag>it disables while linux boots
12:38<firekraag>thanks a lot bja it worked for the disk now it appears in gnome disk mounter
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12:40<bja>firekraag: The litle light you see enabled its an ok signal of the motherboard Dell uses it on their laptops and also Toshiba
12:40<bja>It doesn mean Numlock is enabled
12:41<firekraag>in GRUB it works
12:41<firekraag>my motherboard is an Asus p6t with a core i7 that i assembled by myself
12:42<firekraag>i saw a package called numlockx but it works only with X :p
12:42<bja>Sorry missed the point, Can't help you there. Let me try to research it a little
12:42<cahoot>firekraag: look into /etc/console-tools/config
12:43<EmleyMoor>What is the root password on a Debian Live CD?
12:43<cahoot>firekraag: I suppose one uncomments #LEDS=+num
12:43<firekraag>cahoot : i found something interesting in your file :D
12:44<firekraag>i uncommented it it doesn't work with a ctrl+alt+fx maybe i have to reboot
12:44<cahoot>at least restart console-tools
12:44<firekraag>and btw do you know how i could PERMANENTLY add /sbin to my $PATH ?
12:44<cahoot>at least restart perhaps
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12:47<cahoot>firekraag: $PATH is set in ~/.bash_profile
12:47<bja>cahoot: How do i change rw permissions permanently on a /dev/file
12:48<cahoot>what /dev/file?
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12:48<firekraag>the file does not exist :p i'm creating it, i have to do that with every user
12:48<cahoot>bja: I suspect there's udev rule to edit
12:49<bja> cahoot: /etc/udev/rules.d right?
12:50<cahoot>bja: I'd expect to find something related to kvm there
12:50<cahoot>bja: one doesn't fiddle with perms in /dev directly
12:50<bja>cahoot: nothing explicit guess I'll have to look into every file
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12:51<cahoot>bja: might need create a file
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12:53<cahoot>bja: rgrep -i kvm /etc/udev
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12:54<bja>cahoot: bingo
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12:56<bja>cahoot: just edited the .rules files everything should be ok on next reboot
12:56<cahoot>just restart udev?
12:56<bja>cahoot: beat me on that one
12:57<bja> udev or udev-mtab ?
12:57<EmleyMoor>How do I mount an initrd to make an alteration in it?
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12:58<cahoot>(guessing wildly)
12:58<bja>wish i could guess as good as you :)
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13:03<bja>none: try "/part"
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13:08<bja>anyone playing with kvm or qemu ?
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13:18<bja>cahoot: I'm trying to mount an nfs partition from a server on a vm running on my local machine, any docs that can help?
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13:19<cahoot>sorry no clue
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13:28<bja>I made a mistake and i generated a user, with a diferent, name, is there a fast easy way to rename the user?
13:30<djc>simpler/safer to delete it
13:30<djc>and create another
13:30<djc>doesnt matter which you do first
13:31<djc>or ratgher.. you want to change the *login* name? or just their 'name' in the comments?
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13:31<djc>if you want to change the login name, just make another user with the desired login (and delete the other if you dont want it)
13:31<fxiny>bja: usermod , mv /home/old /home/new and usermod -d /home/new new
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13:31<djc>fxiny, ugh
13:32<djc>that wont change the login name in passwd
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13:32<djc>if he _just_ added the user with the wrong login name, its much simpler to just re-add with the right one (either before or after deleteing the wrong one)
13:33<bja>djc: Its the only user besides root,
13:33<djc>it doesnt matter
13:33<fxiny>just that ? add a new user then
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13:33<djc>bja, just create a new user with the desired login name
13:34<b52ub>anybody using transset + xcompmgr ?
13:34<djc>if you dont need the other one, then delete it
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13:36<bja>djc: to make things more clear I'll refrase my problem, I created user a with the userid of 500 it should be named b with userid 500
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13:37<bja>fxiny: I think that just renaming the home dir will do the trick on that side, but since i don't know how to modifi
13:37<djc>what difference does it make what the uid is?
13:37<djc>delete user 'a', create user 'b'
13:37<bja> djc: A propietary program
13:37<djc>apparently written by incompetents
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13:38<fxiny>bja: usermod --> usermod - modify a user account --> The users new login directory and so on
13:38<djc>I wouldnt trust it. Who knows what other insane bugs it has
13:38<djc>but still
13:38<djc>delete it
13:38<djc>then create 'b'
13:38<djc>it should get uid 500
13:38<bja>fxiny: taking a look at usermod
13:39<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to access the logical volumes in a partition of a disk image as used with kvm, but from the host?
13:39<djc>i dont think usermod lets you change the login name
13:39<matt_>Can someone clear up a question i have regarding mdadm. I have my two system drives running in raid 1, both are bootable. I have temporarliy removed one half of the mirror in order to do some big upgrades to the OS (upgrade still running at the moment). Once i am happy that the upgrades are successful i want to place the other outdated half of the mirror back in my machine and re-add it to the raid array. How will my system know which half of the mirror to mar
13:40<djc>uh.. using raid as a 'backup' is insane
13:40<fxiny>it will : man usermod --> The name of the user will be changed from LOGIN to NEW_LOGIN
13:40<djc>fxiny, i still say 'ugh'
13:41<matt_>its only my mythtv box at home, nothing too critical,
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13:41<fxiny>djc: because is easier remove a user and create a new one
13:41<fxiny>if you have just one user
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13:41<djc>bja, out of curiosity, what insane piece of crap sofwrare is this that is incapable of lookup up a uid instead of hardcoing it to 500?
13:42<djc>bja, I want to know what to avoid like the plague
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13:43<fxiny>500 ? is it some fetora thingy ?
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13:43<djc><djc> what difference does it make what the uid is?
13:43<djc><bja> djc: A propietary program
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13:43<bja>djc: Something very very crapy its a local development, it doesn hardcode anything, but it uses instead of usernames users id, and mine happens to be that one. I made a hack to be able to run it in my debian machine but it doesn't work on mandriva :((
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13:44<djc>bja, tell wheoer is developing it that I said they are Idiots with a capital I
13:44<b52ub>any have seen this tuto before
13:44<fxiny>wt4x ! djc and bja next to easch other in one line looks like some split xaa xab :P
13:45<fxiny>a b c d and j
13:45<matt_>does anyone know how mdadm determines which part of the mirror to degrade, is it just down on timestamps, like the last one that was accessed/written too?
13:47<fxiny>ahhh mandriva : same 500 as fetora
13:47<bja>djc: Right now I am working on a full rework of that program, Since I'm no programmer, I'm taking the most simple solution
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13:49<bja>Ok I know this is not a good idea, How can i log in as root on kde, need to work there just once.
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13:51<fxiny>iirc you have to edit kdmrc
13:51<fxiny>but why ?
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13:51<fxiny>firing vim up is not enough ?
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13:53<bremner>bja: make kdesu gui-command can also help
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13:57<EmleyMoor>I have some BSD disk images on my system - is there any way to mount the filesystems?
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13:59<bja>I remember now why I stuck with Debian ARGHHHH
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14:08<kladizkov>my usb drive after a format doesn't auto mount.. how can i make it auto mountable?
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14:08<mambokurt> is there a possibility to generate grubs menu.lst automatically, i.e. is there a command to say grub to search through your devices for another os?
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14:13<EmleyMoor>It seems that kpartx will help me with my lvm volumes, but I have no idea about BSD disk images - is there a way to mount the filesystems from one of those in Linux? (I know it can be done for real disks)
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14:16<amanda-b>so what's the current wisdom re file sharing between multiple linux boxen? all on a trusted lan, single user, so security behind the firewall isn't an issue. nfs? something else?
14:17<Nemoder>simple http server is easiest I think
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14:17<locklace>amanda-b: nfs works (as well as it ever did, anyway)
14:18<locklace>amanda-b: it's the de facto standard unless you need some special feature; fuse lets you do weird things like sshfs and ftpfs
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14:18<mambokurt>hi there.
14:19<mambokurt>anybody knows a/the program that generates /boot/grub/menu.lst?
14:19<TheFish>I'm having a problem with my laptop, I turned it on this morning and it would only come up into busybox.
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14:19<TheFish>It says it can't mount /root
14:19<EmleyMoor>mambokurt: have you lost yours completely?
14:19<mambokurt>no is
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14:20<TheFish>I connected the drive to my big computer and it only has two partitions "swap, and unknown"
14:20<locklace>TheFish: not being able to mount the root is bad. maybe try with a rescue disk, see if you can tell what's wrong with the filesystem/drive
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14:20<mambokurt>i could do it by hand, but since im changing on os frequently it would be nice to know the command taht does it for me
14:20<EmleyMoor>mambokurt: In general, you can update the commented out option lines in it and then do update-grub
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14:20<TheFish>i tryed that, it wouldn't even work then
14:21<Nemoder>gnomebaker seems to be very unstable for me in squeeze. anyone else using it having problems?
14:21<locklace>TheFish: is the "big computer" running linux?
14:21<TheFish>same version
14:21<mambokurt>EmleyMoor: does it work even if i change the os?
14:21<EmleyMoor>mambokurt: Change it in what respect?
14:21<locklace>TheFish: you could try fscking it, but you might want to back it up first
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14:22<TheFish>i can't even back it up
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14:22<mambokurt>EmleyMoor: change distro or even windows
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14:22<TheFish>it won't see any of the partitions but the swap space
14:22<locklace>TheFish: you could probably back it up with dd as long as the partition is still in the partition table
14:23<locklace>TheFish: fdisk -l doesn't show any partition but swap?
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14:23<TheFish>ill try that
14:23<EmleyMoor>mambokurt: You would need to keep the system that provided grub. You can change anythingc else and manually add new entries.
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14:24<EmleyMoor>I have some BSD hald disk images that I use with kvm/qemu. Is there any way I can mount the filesystems from them, read-only?
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14:25<TheFish>it only shows 3 partitions, Linux, Extended, and Linux swap
14:25<TheFish>it won't even see the home partition
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14:26<mambokurt>EmleyMoor: i kept the system with the grub. on the ather partition i switch from ubuntu 9.04 to linux mint 6. i ran update-grub, but it has the old entries for ubuntu. any ideas?
14:26<locklace>EmleyMoor: ordinary loop mount doesn't work?
14:26<EmleyMoor>mambokurt: You must maintain grub from the system that supplied it - and that may need some manual edits
14:27<TheFish>try reloading grub
14:27<locklace>TheFish: so you should find out which partitions of yours those non-swap partitions correspond to
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14:27<EmleyMoor>locklace: No. The disk has a single partition containing the disklabel - this refers down to the partitions themselves
14:27<TheFish>i had more than just those 3 partitions on there
14:28<EmleyMoor>If it were a real disk it would be fairly easy
14:28<fxiny>gpart (guess partition) could help
14:28<TheFish>tryed it
14:28<TheFish>didn't work
14:28<locklace>EmleyMoor: oh, right, BSD disklabel. hm, there's probably some tool that understands that. is there some kind of "raw loop mount" maybe? not really a mount, but you get the idea
14:28<mambokurt>EmleyMoor: my grub is on my lenny partition. thats why im here. thought there was some cool to trigger that makes everything magically work :)
14:29<locklace>TheFish: just to be sure, check with a couple of other partition tools (parted, cfdisk, etc.) and see what they say
14:29<TheFish>ok, thanks
14:29<fxiny>TheFish: was your missing partition logical ?
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14:29<enouf>i think a gnu tool - some parted version supports bsd labels
14:30<EmleyMoor>mambokurt: Cross system maintenance of the bootloader would be a nightmare
14:30<TheFish>actually all but the swap is missing
14:30<locklace>if it was an lvm partition then fdisk -l should have shown that
14:31<TheFish>it gave me this info in the drive...
14:31<EmleyMoor>enouf: That's good for altering partition sizes but not for mounting
14:31<TheFish> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
14:31<TheFish>/dev/hdb1 * 1 4679 37584036 83 Linux
14:31<TheFish>/dev/hdb2 4680 4864 1486012+ 5 Extended
14:31<TheFish>/dev/hdb5 4680 4864 1485981 82 Linux swap / Solaris
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14:31<mambokurt>EmleyMoor: atm i just have 4 partitions. lenny, chaning one(linux mint atm), /home, swap. grup is on my lenny
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14:31<enouf>EmleyMoor: oh - well mounting is also discussed there, but one needs like ufs, and some 44 option or something
14:31<locklace>EmleyMoor: i bet there's some tool now that lets you load up a file as a block device
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14:32<EmleyMoor>enouf: The problem is that I need to load a file as a disk
14:33<enouf>sseems gfdisk, or pdisk (for partitioning)
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14:33<enouf>ugh .. he renamed gnu fdisk to gfdisk ...
14:33<amphi>EmleyMoor: if you have the offset to the partition in the disk image, you can use losetup to set up the loopback mount, perhaps
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14:34<locklace>EmleyMoor: ah, yes, it works--just use... what amphi just said. ;)
14:34<enouf>EmleyMoor: load it? loop mount it
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14:34<EmleyMoor>amphi: That only takes me to the disklabel though - I'd have to work out how to drill down further
14:34<EmleyMoor>enouf: It's not a filesystem
14:35<enouf>then it can't be mounted
14:35<EmleyMoor>It has filesystems in it
14:35<TheFish>cu all, thanks
14:35<enouf>those can be mounted
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14:35<amphi>EmleyMoor: right; you need the offset to the beginning of a partition (or slice or whatever they call it)
14:35<EmleyMoor>enouf: ... if I can get at thew
14:36<locklace>EmleyMoor: right, you can use -o offset if you know where the partition starts
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14:37<EmleyMoor>I know where the disklabel partition starts - but don't know how to find out about the partitions within
14:37<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... might losetup help me?
14:38<enouf>we only said 5x now, between us
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14:45<amanda-b>the default install includes gnome, does it not?
14:45<locklace>amanda-b: depends on what options you choose
14:46<amanda-b>locklace: "default"
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14:46<locklace>amanda-b: it's not as if there's "a" default where you make absolutely no choices
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14:47<Pupuser402>are there debs for firefox
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14:47<locklace>Pupuser402: they go by the name of iceweasel
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14:53<marcelle>comment ça marche ici?
14:53<dpkg>from memory, re is reverse engineering, or the note one tone above do, or an abbreviation from the latin meaning "concerning", or an abbreviation of reply used to prefix email subjects when replying, or 'rehi', ie. 'hello again', or an abbreviation for regular expressions.
14:53<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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14:57<m2rt>oh my, french is hot...
14:58<gnufan>Rats - dragging a box up to date that was languishing on a bookshelf... Has a VIA EPIA board, so not mighty powerful - but currently making a real mess of playing any video. Sure it was acceptable before - possibly pre-Xorg days.... CLE266 is the graphics card. I see some bug reports, but not sure they are relevant. Everything looks sensible, if a bit slow on disk IO, till I try and play any sort of video when it lags really badly.... Tips appreciated
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15:02<EmleyMoor>Deos the Debian Live rescue disk have resize2fs on it?
15:03<Nazcafan>I have updated udev today and I have two udev rules for my single ethernet card, wich leads to its renaming from eth0 to eth2
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15:03<Nazcafan>ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:11:d8:31:b1:50", NAME="eth0"
15:03<Nazcafan>SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:11:d8:31:b1:50", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth2"
15:04<Nazcafan>why do I have two rules for one single piece of hardware and how should I fix them in order to get my old eth0 ?
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15:10<EmleyMoor>Is there a command that states the sizes of my filesystems in blocks?
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15:11<Grahack>EmleyMoor: try `df` or `du`
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15:12<EmleyMoor>What size blocks does resize2fs use?
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15:14<breit>gnufan: are you sure it's the same video that worked back in the days? bitrates of dvd rips might have increased
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15:18<karim>does anyone have a good knowledge of dkms ?
15:19<gnufan>breit: Nah this is definitely slower than it was... Hmm it had libc6-686 installed - that ain't right on this CPU as far as I know... I suspect it may be something more fundamental. The disk is only reading 20MB/s which seems slow, on the other hand that reads the test video in 2 seconds so I don't think that is the issue. It is a laptop disk - 2.5" IDE -- anyway rebooting without the 686 library... see if that helps.
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15:19<karim>I ask somewhere else
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15:19<gnufan>breit: playing an AVI from my camera - it wasn't even gettting past frame 1 most of the time... not clever
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15:23<zu22>anyone here?
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15:25<breit>gnufan: try different systems? some distributions have grown fatter than others..
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15:25<Jethro>alguien que hable español?
15:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:26<danger>h e l l o
15:26<wuseldusel>hi, will there be kde4 in testing in the near future?
15:27<amanda-b>mac mini install was successful, but it doesn't find grub. what did i miss?
15:27<amphi>!why is kde4 not in testing
15:27<dpkg>kde4 is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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15:28<Jethro>some one help me, why my fan laptop don't stop whit performance setup
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15:30<amphi>another bloody driveby
15:31<gnufan>breit: I think this is a specific config problem. Noticed in VLC it can display the video fine if I drag the control myself. So it is something to do with displaying video - maybe a broken Xvideo driver or some such
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15:31<simonrvn>amphi: they get to you sometimes too, eh?
15:31<amphi>simonrvn: aye, heh
15:31<erKURITA>simonrvn I hate them, srsly >:(
15:31<simonrvn>i started calling it "ask & run"
15:32<simonrvn>most of the time i just want to smack them ^_^
15:32<erKURITA>I call it "Look, I've got no patience to finish my question, so I'm out of here"
15:33<deniz_>if u run something from backports, does it still participate in the popularity contest?
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15:34<danger>I dont think so
15:34<danger>I have it disabled anyhow though
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15:47<EmleyMoor>That was a bit of a pain!
15:47<EmleyMoor>Just had to resize my /
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16:11<EmleyMoor>Would it be hazardous to an lvm volume from a disk image to have the volumes in in mountd read-only on the host while the VM has full access to them?
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16:14<locklace>EmleyMoor: think it's more likely to be hazardous to the host ;)
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16:20<bja>locklace: Nice to see you around, kvm has trouble with crappy virtualization on intel machine, long and tortous road ahead :(
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16:21<gnufan>Hmm I'm thinking my video problems are interesting.. Anyway removing the libc-686 helped. Installing libgl1-mesa-dri means I get hardware MPEG playback with DVDs (kind of). If someone else here has a CLE266 and decent video playback on low power hardware I'd be happy to compare notes.
16:22<dieg>hi! I've a little problem. I'm trying to build a package and the first time a do "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" it builds correctly, but the second time it fails. It looks like on the second execution the ./configure is not executed.
16:22<bja>locklace: anyway qemu working slow, but working anyway, networking is on the works but the again progress is made
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16:25<simonrvn>dieg: that's a bug. install reportbug and report it.
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16:27<ml|>how can I change fonts on a gui apps? not using gnome or kde, using xmonad wm
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16:27<amphi>ml|: gtk-chtheme will do that for gtk; no idea about qt-based stuff
16:28<ml|>amphi: hello
16:28<narcan>amphi & ml| you have gtk-theme-switch also
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16:32<ml|>ok thanks
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16:39<deniz_>how do i open a .opd file?
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16:52<okn>could someone explain what gnome-settings-daemon is?
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16:53<adb>apt-cache show gnome-settings-daemon
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16:59<sellam>comment faire install imprimante canon lbp 1120
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17:06<deniz_>m2rt, i still cant find it :'(
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17:11<Zviper>hey im trying to setup proftpd, i had it working before, but i needed mysql so i uninstalled it and reinstalled proftpd with mysql addon. i've configured the users and the db and i've started the service, but everytime i connect i get "connection closed by server" anyone know what might be the cause?
17:12<m2rt>deniz_ download open office....
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17:12<m2rt>open office impress is the right program
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17:12<deniz_>m2rt, i have it, i said opd and not odt
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17:13<deniz_>m2rt, i tried with impress but i think it's an image file because my friend sent me results for a physics lab that he scanned but i cant open that file format
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17:13<m2rt>opd is open office presentation.
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17:13<m2rt>oh wait
17:13<m2rt>is that
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17:14<amphi>deniz_: does file(1) say anything useful?
17:14<deniz_>amphi, file(1) = ?
17:15<amphi>deniz_: in a term, do 'file whatever.opd'
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17:16<deniz_>amphi, in terminal?
17:16<amphi>deniz_: yes
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17:17<deniz_>amphi, openofficem eye of gnome and gimp each can't open this type of file
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17:18<asaleem>are at jobs ran are logged?
17:19<simonrvn>shit, i don't remember, tbh
17:19<asaleem>where log for at jobs are written to?
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17:20<asaleem>are at jobs ran are logged?
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17:23<Zviper>anyone know why proftpd just says 'connection closed by server' whenever i try to connect?
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17:25<amphi>deniz_: I didn't say anything about OO or EoG
17:25<locklace>Zviper: some kind of ftp or tcp-level access list? check log files
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17:25<amphi>deniz_: what does file say about it?
17:25<Zviper>which log file should i look into?
17:26<locklace>Zviper: messages, daemon, syslog, debug, the usual suspects
17:26<locklace>Zviper: and proftpd's log file, if it has one
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17:26<Zviper>Apr 25 20:27:03 L044 proftpd[8586]: error: cannot execute /usr/sbin/proftpd: No such file or directory
17:27<deniz_>amphi, well by terminal i cded to desktop then did eog physics101.opd, i thought that's what you meant
17:27<locklace>that would do it
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17:31<Zviper>hmm /usr/sbin/proftpd a file or a directory?
17:32<simonrvn>a file of course
17:34<Zviper>ok well proftpd is already there as a file
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17:40<asaleem>ant log entry created fot at /batch jobs?
17:40<asaleem>ant log entry created for at /batch jobs?
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17:44<Zviper>Apr 25 23:37:37 L044 inetd[5257]: ftp/tcp: bind: Address already in use
17:44<Zviper>how can i kill whatever is using this address?
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17:47<Pitxyoki>You can try netstat -pta to find what what process it is.
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17:47<Pitxyoki>*is it.
17:48<Zviper>you had it right the first time
17:49<Pitxyoki>That reminds me of my english exams.
17:49<Gun_Smoke>anyone know how many connections IceDove uses by default for newsgroups? Probably 4 eh?
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17:51<Zviper>what the fuck does this mean?
17:52<Zviper>Apr 25 23:46:07 L044 ntpdate[24511]: step time server offset 4.860472 sec
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17:52<Pitxyoki>Probably that the clock at the time server at has an offset of 4.860472 seconds from the one at your computer.
17:53<petemc>the fucker
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17:53<Guest2083>hi pitxa
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18:01<foo2>Is there any way to FORCE a process to die? I mean when kill -9 pnumber does not work
18:01<mtc>foo2: can try to kill the parent
18:01<petemc>is it in D state?
18:02<foo2>petemc, One is in D state the other is in Zl
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18:02<foo2>mtc, Hmmm, I guess I can figure out its parent in ps somehow?
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18:02<petemc>i generally wait out anything in D state, or reboot
18:03<foo2>petemc, What is D state? And why can`t you kill it?
18:04<petemc>disk wait
18:05<foo2>petemc, Ah I see
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18:19<m2rt>Does debian automatically add windows to GRUB if windows exists on one partition when debian was installed?
18:19<m2rt>or I have to edit the menu.lst file?
18:19<Ganneff>d-i should spot its existance and ask you
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18:20<m2rt>hmm then it is fine :P
18:20<m2rt>I am bad at command line file editing :P
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18:42<deniz_>m2rt, if you install debian after, windows, windows will be in grub, if u install windows after, ull need to do some work to get debian to be seen (=for grub to work again)
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18:57<oipunx>I am connecting to a secure shell but it doesnt display the echo of commands and I cant use vi or nano
18:57<petemc>what are ypu using to connect?
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18:57<oipunx>rxvt-unicode terminal
18:58<petemc>what are you connecting to?
18:58<oipunx>ssh shell
18:58<petemc>what does echo $TERM say?
18:59<oipunx>locally? or on the remote shell
18:59<oipunx>rxvt-unicode: Command not found
18:59<petemc>what kind of system are you connecting to?
18:59<weasel>oipunx: "ssh shell" is wrong.
18:59<weasel>oipunx: it will execute shell, but as you have given ssh a command to execute it will not allocate a tty for you.
19:00<weasel>oipunx: either just "ssh <host>", or "ssh -t <host> <command>"
19:00<oipunx>i did ssh
19:00<weasel>the former being probably the right version
19:00<weasel>maybe you should not abbreviate commands then
19:00<weasel>given that they are not exactly clear
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19:00<petemc>do you have a $PATH variable set?
19:01<weasel>oipunx: does 'ls' print something?
19:01<oipunx>to both
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19:01<weasel>what does 'tty' say?
19:01<weasel>so you do have a tty.
19:01<oipunx>yeah like it does connect and everytyhing
19:01<oipunx>it just doesnt show what i type
19:02<weasel>what does "reset" do?
19:02<oipunx>or the user@group:
19:02<oipunx>reset: termcap: No such file or directory
19:02<weasel>echo $TERM
19:02<oipunx>now that echoed
19:02<oipunx>and when i do vi it says
19:02<oipunx>vi: No terminal database found
19:02<weasel>try with a plain old xterm?
19:03<oipunx>Error opening terminal: rxvt-unicode.
19:03<weasel>clearly whatever you are using is fucking up your terminal environment variable
19:03<weasel>or set it to xterm, i.e. lie, before sshing
19:03<tcsetattr>%TERM is just a typo being echoed back. when you can't see what you're typing, be careful
19:04<weasel>tcsetattr: it's rxvt-unicode tho :)
19:04<weasel>so the same applies
19:04<weasel>the remote system simply doesn't have any termcap info for such an obscure terminal type
19:04<tcsetattr>yeah, good advice. I would say set it to rxvt, and don't consider it a lie, just a less specific truth.
19:04<oipunx>when i first login, it says
19:04<oipunx>tcsh: Cannot open /etc/termcap.
19:04<oipunx>tcsh: using dumb terminal settings
19:04<weasel>we know that know
19:05<weasel>that would have been helpful 15 minutes ago
19:05<weasel>it's not funny
19:05<weasel>it's mightily fucking annoying
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19:05<locklace>easiest way to deal with it is probably to set the termName rxvt resource locally
19:05<weasel>but that's users for you
19:05<tcsetattr>there's no standard specifying valid cross-platform values for $TERM; you have to pick one that is accurate to your terminal _and_ known to the remote OS
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19:07<oipunx>echotc: Unknown capability `AF'.
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19:10<danger>Hey dudes, so what you all making of this mexican flu outbreak thing?
19:10<danger>nothing to do with debian I admit lol
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19:10<danger>Ah well need something to discuss whilst doing some PhP dev
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19:12<DevBoy>with the crisis of avian am in front of my PC with a huge cup of coffee
19:13<oipunx>i think it'll go to AZ then NM
19:13<DevBoy>no PHP for me today
19:14<danger>I hate PhP it's like someone decided to make perl crap without a valid reason.
19:15<danger>I mean in perl we have split (makes sense) and in PhP it's "explode" i mean wtf, are they trying to make it "extreme" lol
19:15<Ganneff>do you have any debian related question?
19:15<Ganneff>if not you want to go elsewhere
19:15<danger>I do
19:15<DevBoy>better than studying esoteric languages such as "brainfuck" to show a guy alternative
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19:15<DevBoy>Have you seen this language?
19:16<Ganneff>DevBoy: the same goes for you
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19:17<danger>What's wrong if a little banter between debian users Ganneff?
19:17<Ganneff>this is a support channel. if you want to do other stuff, go elsewhere. like #debian-offtopic.
19:18<danger>well if no one is here asking for help I can't see the harm
19:18<Ganneff>doesnt matter if you see it or not. its a simple channel rule. EOD
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19:20<larsie_>Hmmm. I wonder if my old 'mitac' mouse from 87 is broken. how to see if there is any response on old com. ports?
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19:22<petemc>larsie_: cat /dev/ttyS0 ?
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19:24<Zviper>anyone know why my mysql pw would change / not work anymore??
19:24<Zviper>it was JUST working a few minutes ago then it's all like
19:25<Zviper>connect to server at 'localhost' failed
19:25<Zviper>error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
19:25<larsie_>k. thx
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19:29<larsie_>petemc: amusing. key-chars were totally fucked :)
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19:30<petemc>obviously you had to be there, but all good :)
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19:31<larsie_> petemc, okey.. I got response on first com. anyways.thx
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19:32<enouf>larsie_: if you need any more specific port info cat /proc/ioports and dmesg | grep tty usually is enough
19:33<larsie_>enouf: Okey, thx. I'm only trying to mount the old mouse on my GUI.. Few shorcuts in this system (ui). :)
19:33<petemc>what information would that garner?
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19:34<enouf>port addresses and IRQs
19:34<larsie_>Hmmmmm. am I stupid or what? seriously. where is the shorcuts in this UI. :|
19:34<amphi>larsie_: if your terminal turns to garbage, ctrl-v ctrl-o will restore it; ctrl-v ctrl-n to get the garbage back
19:35<enouf>for ex; if he needed to eventually pass dma, irq, port address info
19:35<petemc>for a mouse?
19:35<enouf>my serial ports are assigned irqs, yours aren't?
19:35<dpkg>gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks.
19:36<mtc>enouf: a couple days ago we were talking about the console and the framebuffer - do you think the framebuffer overlays the console display, or is the graphical manipulation more complex than that?
19:37<mtc>have been really thinking a lot about the framebuffer since you introduced the idea to me :)
19:37<enouf>mtc: i'm not sure offhand, but i think the framebuffer 'assists' in addition to console/terminal
19:38<mtc>okay thanks
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19:40<larsie_>wtb ui with shitloads of shorcuts. :)
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19:41<locklace>mtc: framebuffer takes over the display hardware, and console can then run on top of it via fbcon
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19:41<enouf>IIUC, basically there are video card/driver FBs, and then there's the kernel's builtin FB
19:41<mtc>locklace: oooh... okay! interesting
19:41<enouf>and the kernel's is much slower ..
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19:42<locklace>enouf: there's the driver layer and the generic layer, there has to be some driver even if it's a generic vesa/vga one
19:42<mtc>enouf: yeah - I was reading about the very good matrox FB interface that can do a lot of fun things
19:43<enouf>locklace: well yes, and then you have console/terminal FB drivers and X ones
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19:43<Zviper>anyone know how to add mod_sql.c to my proftpd module list?
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19:47<enouf>locklace: but i get your point, and negating all X and nvidia/ati proprietary drivers -- there's vesa/vga/svga standards (for which, there are in kernel video FB drivers for, some even specific for various card manufacturers - those are the ones that one should use, if possible - though vesafb is fine for console for most uses, not watching DVDs necessarily though i recall messing with svgalib, directfb et al) ... as opposed to just termin
19:47<enouf>80x25 text using kernel fonts :-P
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19:48<locklace>well, it's all failing to work for me anyway
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19:48<enouf>what is?
19:48<locklace>i have radeonfb and fb* modules loaded but no /dev/fb
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19:49<enouf>how about /dev/fb0 ?
19:49<enouf>does dmesg show good AGP info?
19:49<locklace>doesn't exist
19:49<enouf>is that an older 7500-9800 series
19:49<locklace>there is no agp on this system
19:50<enouf>ugh .. unless PCIe?
19:50<locklace>no, it's an r600
19:50<enouf>that's PCIe then
19:50<enouf>too new for my know how
19:50<enouf>i use old shit
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19:51<locklace>can't find any info about how to make it work
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19:51<enouf>there was an issue with the older ati cards i mentioned and agp, but ... crap, now i recall it happened only when using fglrx (which means X too) ... so nm ;-)
19:52<enouf>locklace: nothing in /Documentation/fb/* ?
19:52<enouf>they called it not ati then but at<something?>
19:52<enouf>locklace: tried #radeon on
19:52<enouf>or .. the debian-x mailing list?
19:53<locklace>all the fb docs imply that things will just work as a result of loading the modules
19:53<locklace>not yet
19:53<enouf>no they don't
19:53<enouf>almost ALL require kernel command line boot options
19:53<locklace>doesn't make sense if all the fb stuff is compiled as modules
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19:53<enouf>and .. many will require your kernel is =y .. not =m for certain modules
19:54<locklace>which the docs say is fine, and that things will work as soon as the modules are loaded.
19:54<enouf>then there's modinfo <modulename> and the parms it lists
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19:56<enouf>you might have some other issue; like require some pci=nommconf or someshit
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19:56<enouf>might be some BIOS setting too ... who knows
19:57<enouf>hrm .. ~$ dmesg | grep fb0
19:57<enouf>[ 4.092146] fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device
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19:57<enouf>does vesa work ok?
19:57<enouf>vesafb that is
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19:58<enouf>and it's funny how lspci -nnk outputs nvidiafb, but it's nowhere to be found and not in use;
19:58<enouf>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] [10de:0110] (rev b2)
19:58<enouf> Kernel modules: nvidiafb
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20:00<enouf>and nothing is there for "Kernel Driver in use" - which is likely due to Intel and it's AGP Bridge funk - but ~$ lshal | grep driver would list it - and does list various agp/intel modules
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20:01<enouf>wow .. i've been babbling on :-P .. sorry
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20:04<Zviper>when i do proftpd -l, mod_sql.c doesn't show up as a loaded module. but in my module.conf it says it should be loaded. do i have to activate it or something?
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20:23<acu>I am trying to run an index.php and the browser doesnot know what to do - I installed apache2 and php5 - do I need to change something on apache or what
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20:27<digitaloktay>Hi People
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20:33<simonrvn>acu: the browser only displays what's sent to it. you're looking at the wrong end.
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20:33<rabbit>hey guys
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20:34<rabbit>can anyone maybe give me a name for good home recording software for debian???\
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20:35<bzed>rabbit: what do you want to record?
20:35<bzed>audio? video? ...!?
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20:36<amanda-b>mac mini install was successful, but it doesn't find grub. what did i miss? installing ubuntu (ick) works fine. there is no install option for elilo in the lenny installer.
20:36<rabbit>sorry... audio its for my band we use to usb dac which we connect to a xp box then capture both of them at the same time
20:36<rabbit>i meant two usb dac
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20:37<bzed>rabbit: ardour
20:37<rabbit>i have trouble compiling it using scon. complains about fftw3. tried google but no success
20:38<bzed>rabbit: apt-get install ardour ?
20:38<bzed>what compile it?
20:38<locklace>amanda-b: make sure it's installing the bootloader on the right partition and that the partition is marked active
20:38<amanda-b>locklace: mbr, and yes, marked bootable
20:38<bzed>rabbit: *why compile it
20:38<rabbit>tried apt-get
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20:39<bzed>rabbit: and?
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20:39<rabbit>maybe i need to add another source for repository cause package is not found
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20:39<bzed>rabbit: put your sources.list into a pastebin
20:40<rabbit>say what??? cause i a bit new with da debian and irc
20:40<bzed>rabbit: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:40<bzed>rabbit: and put into a pastebin what it shows
20:40<bzed>!tell rabbit about pastebin
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20:41<locklace>amanda-b: well, obviously it went wrong somehow if the bootloader isn't getting loaded
20:42<locklace>amanda-b: you could try to go through the bootloader install step again in the installer, or install it yourself from a rescue disk
20:42<locklace>amanda-b: the point is to verify that it's actually being written to where you think it is
20:44<rabbit>bzed: check it
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20:46<bzed>rabbit: looks fine.
20:46<rabbit>bzed: you find it???
20:46<bzed>rabbit: run apt-get update
20:46<raver>hi~good morning everyone~
20:46<bzed>rabbit: then run apt-get install ardour
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20:46<rabbit>bzed: will try that agian just hold
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20:48<rabbit>bzed: nope no luck.
20:48<bzed>rabbit: put the output of the install line into a pastebin
20:48<adb>judd: versions ardour
20:48<judd>adb: ardour -- squeeze: 1:2.7.1-2 sid: 1:2.8-1
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20:49<adb>not in lenny
20:49<bzed>damn :)
20:49<bzed>that explains it of course
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20:50<rabbit>explain please
20:50<bzed>rabbit: its not in lenny, you'll need a backport
20:50<adb>apt-get install -t squeeze ardour
20:50<bzed>adb: not without squeeze lines in the sources.list...
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20:53<rabbit>couldn't find package again
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20:55<rabbit>presuming that i need to add lines to the sources.list
20:56<adb>rabbit: install audacity
20:56<adb>apt-cache show audacity
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21:00<rabbit>adb: I have worked with audacity and it cannot do want i want it to do. for recording single channel input it works great but capturing multiple channels from different devices is the problem with it.
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21:01<adb>i see
21:02<adb>apt-file search record
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21:08<rabbit>the only problem i have with getting ardour to work is that its complaining about fftw3
21:08<rabbit>KeyError: 'fftw3':
21:08<rabbit> File "/home/morne/ardour-2.8/SConstruct", line 523:
21:08<rabbit> conf = Configure(libraries['fftw3'])
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21:09<amphi>libfftw3-3 - library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms
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21:10<rabbit>ampi: it says its at the latest version
21:10<rabbit>apmpi I meant
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21:11<rabbit>okay its official i am tired
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21:14<adb>rabbit: libfftw3-dev is installed?
21:15<asaqwerty>how do you set up a root account
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21:16<rabbit>adb: no its installing now
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21:24<mtc>what is the device file used for pulseaudio? (such as /dev/dsp)
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21:25<adb> /dev/snd ?
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21:26<mtc>nevermind - guess I am not running pulseaudio! ha ha
21:26<mtc>adb: thanks - that's just what I was seeking
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21:31<TheFish>anyone know how to restore a ".dd" backup file to a hard drive?
21:32<petemc>in linux, extensions are often meaningless, how was that backup created?
21:33<TheFish>with "testdisk"
21:33<petemc>using dd i would guess
21:33<petemc>dont know what that is
21:33<TheFish>backup/restore utility
21:33<Zviper>could anyone help me out with proftpd + mysql? it seems that it doesn't want to connect to the mysql db..
21:34<abrotman>do you ahve any errors?
21:34<petemc>TheFish: so why not use testdisk restore facility?
21:34<TheFish>I don't know how to use it
21:34<Zviper>this is the only error i get Apr 26 03:16:42 L044 proftpd[28370]: (::ffff:[::ffff:]) - FTP session closed.
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21:35<petemc>TheFish: now might be a good time to learn
21:35<TheFish>how do i use testdisk restore facility?
21:35<abrotman>Zviper: i meant in the mysql log
21:36<petemc>TheFish: is testdisk a debian application?
21:36<petemc>does it have docuemntation in /usr/share/doc/testdisk/ ?
21:36<TheFish>ill look
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21:39<Zviper>i can't find my mysql log, i found a mysql.log but it's empty
21:39<TheFish>ok, i found it, thanks
21:40<Zviper>i also get this in proftpd debug mode
21:40<Zviper> - FTP session requested from unknown class
21:40<TheFish>enable logging
21:40<Zviper>in what? proftpd or mysql?
21:41<TheFish>the one you want to have the log file for
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21:57<TheFish>anything new going on?
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21:58<Xenguy>TheFish: besides permanently digging debian? Nah, not much
21:58<Zviper>im still looking for mysql log files
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21:58<TheFish>ah :P
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21:59<Xenguy>TheFish: got 3 machines upgraded to lenny awhile back
21:59<TheFish>Zviper: were are you looking?
21:59<Zviper> /var/log
22:00<bernardo>is there a flash player for the amd64 that can play youtube's videos???
22:00<abrotman>on lenny?
22:00<bernardo>for firefox
22:00<abrotman>on lenny?
22:00<TheFish>no, try a plug in rapper
22:00<abrotman>bernardo: there is an amd64 flash from .. maybe dmm has it .. /msg dpkg dmm
22:00<TheFish>Zviper: try looking in the "/usr" dir
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22:01<Zviper>what folder am i looking for in the /usr dir?
22:02<TheFish>Zviper: /usr/share/"the program you are looking for"
22:02<Zviper>ah ok
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22:12<TheFish>I love the multi desktop feature
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22:14<TheFish>anyone know how to get a custom kernel build to boot? i tried, but kept getting kernel panics.
22:14<amphi>!tell bernardo -about youtube script
22:15<TheFish>it sees some files but not others
22:16<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just, or <kernel build-deps>
22:16<TheFish>ok, thanks
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22:35<Zviper>Apr 26 04:15:41 mod_sql/4.2.1[21491]: cache hit for user 'test'
22:35<Zviper>Apr 26 04:15:41 mod_sql/4.2.1[21491]: >>> cmd_check
22:35<Zviper>Apr 26 04:15:41 mod_sql/4.2.1[21491]: checking auth_type Backend
22:35<Zviper>Apr 26 04:15:41 mod_sql/4.2.1[21491]: entering mysql cmd_checkauth
22:35<Zviper>Apr 26 04:15:41 mod_sql/4.2.1[21491]: checking again using deprecated legacy MySQL password algorithm
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22:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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22:36<Zviper>this is my mysql log, password won't authenticate using proftpd
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22:40<Zviper>any idea?
22:40<ricekrispy>think you could upload your proftpd config file?
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22:44<Zviper>there it is:
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22:49<ricekrispy>ok, just to double check what the problem is, you can't log in to the ftp server right?
22:50<Zviper>it denies my password
22:50<Zviper>for my test user
22:51<Zviper>pretty sure this is where it's occuring
22:51<Zviper>Apr 26 04:15:41 mod_sql/4.2.1[21491]: password mismatch
22:51<ricekrispy>ok, now, in the mysql database, is your password encrypted using mysql's password() function?
22:51<Zviper>think so, it's a long hash
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22:53<ricekrispy>i would try to open up a mysql terminal (phpmyadmin, or just a regular mysql client), and change the password again, just to make sure
22:53<ricekrispy>just make sure to use the password() function
22:55<Zviper>i see this under password *4AD47E08DAE2BD4F0977EED5D23DC901359DF617
22:55<Zviper>so for example i would replace that with password(password) ?
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22:56<ricekrispy>yeah, are you using phpmyadmin, or just a mysql prompt?
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22:57<ricekrispy>alright, so when you're editing the column, enter your password in the field for it, then select PASSWORD() from the drop-down box
22:58<Zviper>same thing :\ should i restart the service?
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22:59<ricekrispy>yeah, actually, if proftpd is caching it (looks like it, from the log file), that might help
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23:00<Zviper>login incorrect
23:00<Zviper>same error
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23:01<ricekrispy>you restarted proftpd, not mysql right?
23:02<Zviper> /etc/init.d/proftpd restart
23:03<Zviper>proftpd has been driving me mad all day, i've been trying to figure it out and this is the most progress i've made(getting to the login)
23:03<ricekrispy>ok, just checking, next i'd try setting proftpd to allow plaintext password, then putting the password in plaintext in the mysql db
23:04<ricekrispy>so, line 45 in the proftpd config file, change 'SQLAuthTypes Backend' to 'SQLAuthTypes Plaintext'
23:05<Zviper>ok i will do that right now
23:07<Zviper>done, any changes needed to be made in the mysql?
23:07<ricekrispy>yeah, go into phpmyadmin, and change the password again, just put it in the field, dont pick a function from the drop-down box or anything
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23:08<ricekrispy>after that, restart proftpd, and try loging in
23:10<amanda-b>mac mini install was successful, but it doesn't find grub. what did i miss? installing ubuntu (ick) works fine. there is no install option for elilo or grub-efi in the lenny installer. i don't have os/x on this box, and it isn't easily available so using refit isn't super-appealing
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23:12<Zviper>same error :\ going to post mysql log again
23:13<ricekrispy>Zviper: i gotta go, ill be back in a few if i can
23:13<Zviper>ah ok, here it is anyway
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23:33<ricekrispy>hey, can you give me the link to that log file?
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23:37<ricekrispy>hm, well the log says "'Plaintext' auth handler reports success", so the password should be working
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23:39<Zviper>so what gives? this is driving me nuts
23:40<ricekrispy>the uid/gid is 10000? that seems unusually high, do you have a valid unix user set up with that uid?
23:41<ricekrispy>10000/10001 uid/gid that is
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23:41<Zviper>that would be it
23:42<Zviper>i'll change them right now
23:42<ricekrispy>no user with uid 10000?
23:42<ricekrispy>ah, alrighty
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23:46<Zviper>figured it out, the uid thing didn't work. turns out they have to have the exact same shell as the actual user
23:47<Zviper>thanks so much for your help!!
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23:48<ricekrispy>np, make sure you change the SQLAuthMode back to something OTHER than plaintext (for obvious reasons), and then update your mysql database (with the password() option if you're using 'Backend' mode for proftpd)
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