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00:34<Mechwarrior>lenny is not very nice.
00:34<dondelelcaro>feel free to use something else
00:35<Mechwarrior>no i like him..
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00:35<Mechwarrior> he is not being nice because he will not let me use wifi
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00:36<Mechwarrior>been struggling all day trying to het it to work.
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00:36<Mechwarrior>im thinking i might need a linux group in my area to get some help.
00:37<Mechwarrior>where can i find a usergroup listing?
00:38<dondelelcaro>Mechwarrior: which wireless card do you have? have you checked what dmesg says? have you installed the firmware if it is required?
00:40<Mechwarrior>ath5k <-- it is installed, i just cant seem to get the blasted thing tio work
00:41<Mechwarrior>i did not see any firmware for this driver.
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00:43<jello>Mechwarrior: which kernel
00:43<jello>ath5k really started working for me in .28
00:43<Mechwarrior>i configured it, according to the wiki page but then when it tried to connect via wifi, it was trying to use submask
00:44<Mechwarrior>kernal version??
00:44<Mechwarrior>im not really sure.
00:44<jello>uname -a
00:44<Mechwarrior>but i do know im using debian 5.0.1
00:44<Mechwarrior>one sev.
00:44<jello>Mechwarrior: run `uname -srvm`
00:46<Mechwarrior>Linux 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686
00:46<Mechwarrior> <---
00:46<Mechwarrior>how do i update the kernel?
00:46<Mechwarrior>to 28?
00:47<jello>i think that's the latest in lenny...
00:47<Zviper>what is this process?
00:47<Zviper>26009 root 2251652 kB /usr/share/webmin/shell/index.cgi
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00:48<rutski>I just installed a fresh debian 5.0 system
00:48<rutski>and I can't seem to get a man page for gcc
00:48<jello>Zviper: looks like webmin
00:49<rutski>even though gcc is installed, "man gcc" says the man page is missing
00:49<rutski>and no amount of digging with apt-cache and apt-file has helped either
00:49<Zviper>i stopped that process (for obvious reasons, 2gb memory??!) and it fucked everything up in my torrentflux (coincidentally)
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00:49<jello>rutski: gcc-doc
00:49<jello>rutski: apt-file search gcc.1
00:49<rutski>jello, "E: package gcc-doc has no installation candidate"
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00:49<kevinz>hey everyone
00:49<rutski>and yes, I've searched around gcc.1 with apt-file several times
00:50<jello>rutski: it's in contrib
00:50<rutski>wah, why
00:50<jello>edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to include contrib as well as main
00:50<rutski>what's the difference between contrib and main anyway?
00:50<rutski>and why is gcc-doc in contrib?
00:50<jello>rutski: short answer is GFDL, long answer is see debian-legal
00:51<jello>rutski: contrib relies on non-free in some way, main is totally free (in DFSG sense)
00:51<jello>!gree kevinz
00:51<jello>!greet kevinz
00:51<dpkg>G'day, kevinz
00:51<rutski>hmm, so GFDL isn't DFSG compliant enough? Do I understand that correctly?
00:51<kevinz>hi rutski
00:51<rutski>kevinz, hey there
00:52<kevinz>I need some help troubleshooting an install on powerpc, anyone able to help?
00:52<rutski>kevinz, we don't know each other; do we?
00:52<jello>rutski: yes, in certain cases...
00:52<jello>rutski: if you're interested, google gfdl dfsg
00:52<rutski>interesting, googling
00:52<jello>there was even a GR about it iirc....
00:52<kevinz>rustki: not sure, im new so Im gonna say no...
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00:53<kevinz>rutski: not sure, im new so Im gonna say no...
00:55<rutski>kevinz, ah, heh; indeed
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00:57<ml|>isn't /etc/cpnsole-tools/config the only place to edit what fonts get used in the console, not in X just pure console
00:58<rutski>jello: here's my current sources.list:
00:58<rutski>"sudo apt-get install gcc-doc" still fails
00:58<rutski>The error is "gcc-doc: Depends: gcc-4.3-doc (>= 4.3.0.nf1-1) but is not installable"
00:58<rutski>trying to install gcc-4.3-doc directly gives another error
00:59<rutski>"E: Package gcc-4.3-doc has no installation candidate"
00:59<rutski>did I at least do the sources.list right? that one in the link?
01:01<rutski>gah, this is painful :-/ Why isn't this working :(
01:01<Mechwarrior>yay sharks!!!!!
01:01<deniz_>if a scanner isnt flatbed...what is it?
01:02<rutski>does _anybody_ here have gcc-doc installed?
01:02<rutski>or is it just impossible? :(
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01:12<kevinz>My installation just stops on checking the cd..anybody else have this problem?
01:12<kevinz>Running on powerpc with latest build installing through cd
01:14<jello>rutski: you need non-free too
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01:14<rutski>jello: ah, heh; gotcha
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01:15<ml|>isn't /etc/cpnsole-tools/config the only place to edit what fonts get used in the console, not in X just pure console
01:17<jello>ml|: that should be the right place
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01:19<ml|>jello: I edit back to default but at boot its sets up my old seeting, is there something else I need to do, I to use the dafault again lat0-sun16
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01:43<ml|>anyboy have any idea why after editing /etc/console-tools/config and using SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16 , it is still using my old setting and not the new one?
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01:44<cahoot>restart needed?
01:45<ml|>cahoot: yes at restart it still uses old seting not new one
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01:53<kenyon>ml|: I use sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup to change the console font.
01:55<tcsetattr>in case you think rebooting to change a font is silly... the actual work-performing command underneath all that init script complexity is consolechars(1).
01:56<tcsetattr>oops, consolechars(8).
01:57<ml|>i did reboot twicw and checked settings twice, trying what kenyon said
01:57<tcsetattr>I recall I had some trouble getting the Debian init script to set up all the consoles correctly, since I added a few more gettys than the usual 6
02:01<ml|>in console setup when I get to font for console I only get four choices fixed terminus terminusbold vga
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02:05<kenyon>ml|: Yeah, I use terminus. It's nice in console and in X. Don't know what /etc/console-tools/config is for.
02:07<tcsetattr>once you convince it to act right, /etc/console-tools/config tells /etc/init.d/ what to do at boot time.
02:07<snubby>anyone ever heard about debian hardened project?
02:07<tcsetattr>have we established that the desired font is even installed?
02:07<ml|>kenyon: I have being using terminus for a while now, just want use default again
02:08<kenyon>ml|: That would be "fixed" I think.
02:09<ml|>tcsetattr: it is listed in /usr/share/consolefonts/
02:09<tcsetattr>can you load it with consolechars -f ?
02:12<ml|>kenyon: I tried with fixed is does look different
02:12<ml|>tcsetattr: ...
02:12<ml|> consolechars -f /usr/share/consolefonts/lat0-sun16.psf.gz
02:13<ml|>set_kernel_font: Invalid argument
02:15<tcsetattr>that's interesting. the file is corrupted, or the kernel doesn't like it for some reason
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02:16<ml|>tcsetattr: it is the dafault in /etc/console-tools/config
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02:21<digifor>What is a good shell to use that I can cut and paste from iceweasal?
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03:11<beer>I am just trying to install nvidia-glx from sid but I cannot becouse "nvidia-kernel-180.44 but it is not installable", so the easy way to install nvidia 3d driver on a sid system is to download them from and install them manual?
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03:14<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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03:36<aspin>how would I run a php file that resides in /var/www
03:37<aspin>I have atmail on my debetch, and it looks as if it needs to be installed
03:37<aspin>yet it is sat in the above dir
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03:40<aspin>my sites are in /war/www/vhosts
03:40<aspin>var sry
03:40<simonrvn>um, mv it to some vhost, or symlink it? or something...
03:41<aspin>I think it has to stay where it is
03:41<aspin>symlink sounds interesting
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03:47<EmleyMoor>If I need to activate/deactivate an lvm volume group from a shell script run by an ordinary user, I guess I need some help from sudo - but is there another way?
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03:59<deconvolution>help! after upgrade my dist to the current testing branch, I found my box is halted after trying to bring up eth0 during the boot and the safe mode cannot solve this ... is there any solutions ?
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04:03<dpkg>somebody said rescue was at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
04:03<deconvolution>Supaplex, alright, thanks
04:03<dpkg>rumour has it, single is <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care)
04:04<deconvolution>OK, after repeating pressing C-c finally i got the single login console, thanks
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04:04<Supaplex>dpkg: single =~ s!if init is very!if init or /etc/rcS.d/* are very!
04:04<dpkg>Supaplex: what are you talking about?
04:05<Supaplex>dpkg: single =~ s#if init is very#if init or /etc/rcS.d/* are very#
04:05<dpkg>OK, Supaplex
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04:22<EmleyMoor>How do I calculate the correct offsets for filesystems in BSD disk images? I have the labels but can't get at partitions other than the a.
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04:29<Dawsonb>:| I am yet another linux noobie, here to ask for assistance in something that is probably really easy to solve, but I am lost, oh so lost.
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04:29<Dawsonb>Any expiranced 'nix users around?
04:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
04:30<Dawsonb>Alright, that works lol. So anyway I have a problem with wireless networking on the newest lenny debian. for a while it showed up but wouldnt connect to any networks, now it just doesnt even see that my wireless networking exists. The laptop I'm on is Acer Emachines D620 with the AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
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04:31<Dawsonb>It went from having the choice of wireless(didnt work) and wired, to just only wired.
04:32<Dawsonb>Oh, and obviously wired works.
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04:35<locklace>Dawsonb: well, it's the usual thing, find out the name of the kernel driver for your card and see what it says when it loads during boot (check dmesg)
04:36<locklace>Dawsonb: or maybe it's a module and didn't load at all for some reason, in which case you can load it yourself with modprobe
04:36<Dawsonb>Thanks Ill check out the modprobe first, cause if it was just that, that makes it a lot easier lol.
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04:38<locklace>it looks like your driver might be "ath5k"
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04:39<Dawsonb>Yea Lock, I had gotten that info earlier today when fighting with it, and it seems like there shouldn't be any compatibility issues, and that bugs me because I know it's something silly that I am just passing by cause I'm newish to linux (only used ubuntu long ago)
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04:39<locklace>ok, so what does "dmesg | grep -i ath5k" return
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04:40<Dawsonb>o.o Nothing?
04:41<Dawsonb>could of swore i got the drivers.
04:41<locklace>and "modprobe -l | grep ath5k"
04:42<Dawsonb>Dawson-Laptop:/home/dawson# modprobe -l | grep ath5k
04:42<Dawsonb>so they exist.
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04:42<Dawsonb>But me being totally new to linux I don't even know where to start on why they aren't working.
04:43<locklace>ok, that's a good start
04:44<locklace>now how about "lsmod | grep ath5k"
04:44<Dawsonb>Returns nothing.
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04:44<locklace>ok, so it exists but isn't loaded. "modprobe ath5k"
04:45<Dawsonb>It returns nothing when I do that, wouldnt it show it loaded, or does it not show anything when loaded.
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04:46<locklace>try the lsmod again to verify it's loaded, then look at say "dmesg | tail" for any ath5k output
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04:47<Dawsonb>Not sure what most of this means, mind if I pm you a largish paste? Don't want to flood the channel.
04:48<locklace>just pastebin it, or something
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04:49<locklace>ok, well the good news is it found your card
04:49<Dawsonb>Andddd the bad news?
04:49<locklace>try "ifconfig wlan0 up"
04:50<Dawsonb>returns nothing.
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04:50<Dawsonb>oh but it did turn it on
04:51<locklace>that's good, it just brings the interface up
04:51<locklace>now you can try to configure it with normal net tools, iw*, system scripts, etc.
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04:52<Dawsonb>Alright, ill go try and connect and get the network working, now that the drivers are loaded.
04:52<Dawsonb>Hehe I will probably be back, nothing is ever smooth sailing for me sadly.
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04:53<locklace>might be as simple as "invoke-rc.d networking start" if all your startup scripts are set up to expect the existence of wlan0
04:54<locklace>or "...restart", possibly
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05:00<Dawsonb>._. Why does everything have to be a struggle. Ok next question.
05:00<Dawsonb>After I put in the bssid of the router in my household.
05:01<Dawsonb>how do I make it connect to that, because I am really tired and missing all logic.
05:01<rutski>can someone help me debug a shared library issue?
05:01<rutski>when I run "./skype" I get:
05:01<rutski>./skype: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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05:01<rutski>yet /usr/lib/ does indeed exist
05:01<rutski>what gives? :(
05:02<rutski>also, ldd(1) on the executable gives " => not found"; this confuses me greatly as well.
05:04<rutski>silly me, nm; the binary is x86, but I need x86-64
05:04<Supaplex>!lart hava titanium general limitations like FOSS, filesystems, and scheduled recordings
05:04*dpkg duct-tapes hava titanium general limitations like FOSS, filesystems, and scheduled recordings to the floor and drools on him
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05:06<Dawsonb>Oh, jeeze this doesn't even require a debian vetran to awnser. How to I make my wireless network connect to one of the bssid's i've assigned it. Its 2am and I'm really tired and wanna get this working so I can hit the sack
05:07<EmleyMoor>Is it possibe to increase the number of "loop" devices?
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05:08<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable:, prepatch: 2.6.30-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.30-rc3-git1, 2.4:, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1
05:08<Dawsonb>Locklace, you still around?
05:09<mrw>Dawsonb: i don't know if i can help, but let's see
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05:09<EmleyMoor>Dawsonb: Are you running wpasupplicant?
05:09<Dawsonb>Tbh, I don't know lol.
05:09<Dawsonb>I'm just on lenny debian using hte network config to put in the bssids
05:09<clodde>which kernel is shipping with testing right now, please?
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05:10<mrw>Dawsonb: dpkg -l wpasupplicant
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05:10<mrw>Dawsonb: do you see a line beginning with ii ?
05:10<mrw>Dawsonb: if so, ps ax | grep wpasupplicant
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05:11<Dawsonb> 5165 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep wpasupplicant
05:11<mrw>Dawsonb: also, could paste to pastebin, per the topic, what you have in /etc/network/interfaces?
05:11<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, well, did dpkg -l wpasupplicant show a line beginning with ii ?
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05:11<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, just to be sure
05:11<Dawsonb>ii wpasupplicant 0.6.4-3 Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11
05:12<Dawsonb>I kinda got spoilt with ubuntu when I rarely used it, I got lucky and wireless worked right out of the install.
05:12<Dawsonb>And even more spoilt(Yet shot in the foot) with vista.
05:13<Dawsonb>So this whole wirless networking is a headache/mess to me
05:14<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, i just took at your last pastebin link, which contained the output of dmesg | tail
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05:14<mrw>Dawsonb: could now put into pastebin the contents of /etc/network/interfaces ?
05:15<Dawsonb>Yup hold on
05:15<rutski>how would one go about checking (from the command line) if an inserted CD-ROM is blank?
05:15<mrw>Dawsonb: because from your last pastebin link it appears that the driver loaded successfully
05:16<Dawsonb>Yea, this wasn't really a issue with it not connecting :s It was an issue of an over tired linux noob asking how to get it to connect in the first place.
05:16<Dawsonb>Because I got the bssid in the network config but I am not sure how to force it to connect to that router
05:16<mrw>Dawsonb: so the next step is tell debian how to use the device
05:17<EmleyMoor>After adding a file in /etc/modprobe.d, how do I make it take effect?
05:17<Dawsonb> <--- the etc/network/interfaces
05:18<mrw>Dawsonb: that appears to be the output of dmesg
05:19<Dawsonb>Oh. my bad haha I'm tired did the wrong thing.
05:19<mrw>Dawsonb: no problem
05:20<Dawsonb>Mrw. What should I put into Terminal to spit out the contents? (Jeeze I hate sounding like a noob, but hey, I am I guess)
05:20<mrw>Dawsonb: hey, better to ask. type this
05:21<mrw>Dawsonb: cat /etc/network/interfaces
05:21<mrw>Dawsonb: remember that you can use the tab key to autocomplete the path
05:22<mrw>EmleyMoor: try update-modules ?
05:22<mrw>EmleyMoor: whoops, nevermind
05:24<gsimmons>Dawsonb: Are you attempting to join a managed (ie. access point) or ad-hoc wireless network?
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05:24<mrw>EmleyMoor: it appears that those files are used by modprobe -- so they take effect as soon as you use modprobe
05:24<EmleyMoor>mrw: Indeed
05:24<Dawsonb>Access point. like my routers wireless output for internet accsess.
05:24*EmleyMoor now has 32 loop devices possible instead of 8
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05:25<mrw>Dawsonb: what kind of encryption do you use? WPA?
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05:25<mrw>well, then
05:25<Dawsonb>Bad idea but yea
05:25<mrw>Dawsonb: not in this particular case. makes things a little easier
05:25<mrw>Dawsonb: is there a text editor you're particularly comfortable with?
05:26<Dawsonb>Not really. its all the same.
05:26<ml|>vim vim hehe
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05:26<gsimmons>Dawsonb: For whatever reason, your dmesg output indicates ad-hoc association (eg. "No active IBSS STAs - trying to scan for other IBSS networks with same SSID (merge)").
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05:27<Dawsonb>alright, is there a way to change it off ad-hoc.
05:27<mrw>gsimmons: is it possible that's the module's default behavior? because he's got no entry for his wireless in his interfaces file
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05:27<gsimmons>mrw: IIRC, ath5k defaults to station. There's no /e/n/i entry as Dawsonb is using Network Manager.
05:28<Dawsonb>Hey guys hate to sound like a rush but I kinda am. its nearing the 3am mark.
05:28<mrw>gsimmons: i see. should i suggest he create an entry and ignore nm for now?
05:28<Dawsonb>Whats the next step
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05:29<mrw>Dawsonb: well, if gsimmons doesn't give you saner advice, type su -c 'nano /etc/network/interfaces'
05:29<gsimmons>mrw: Sure.
05:29<Dawsonb>Alright, from there mrw?
05:30<mrw>Dawsonb: from the terminal, i.e., the same place you type dmesg and what not
05:30<Dawsonb>Mhm thats where I put the su -c bleh bleh.
05:31<mrw>Dawsonb: yep. be sure you type it just the way i did. the password it asks you for is your root password
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05:32<mrw>Dawsonb: ready to go?
05:33<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, go here:
05:33<Dawsonb>swap out what I have for that?
05:33<mrw>Dawsonb: edit your interfaces file to look like that; the changes are on the highlighted lines
05:33<mrw>Dawsonb: yep
05:33<mrw>should have made a backup first i guess but it just had lo in it..
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05:34<mrw>Dawsonb: then save the changes and exit
05:34<mrw>Dawsonb: oh hell, i'm tired too... it should read iface ath0 inet dhcp
05:34<mrw>Dawsonb: not iface ath0 inet auto
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05:35<Dawsonb>Kai, and how do I save it?
05:35<locklace>isn't it called wlan0
05:36<mrw>Dawsonb: you're sure it says iface ath0 inet dhcp and not iface ath0 inet auto? if so, type Control O, then Control X
05:36<zxd>where can to install custom extensions /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/extensions or /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions
05:36<Dawsonb>Yea I updated the line mrw.
05:36<Dawsonb>Also what about what locklace said
05:36<mrw>locklace: he's got an atheros card, so it should pay attention to ath0
05:36<Dawsonb>oh k
05:36<mrw>locklace: or at least it's using the atheros driver
05:36<Dawsonb>ive got that card ;p
05:36<mrw>ok Dawsonb
05:37<mrw>Dawsonb: did nano successfully exit? are you back at the command prompt?
05:37<mrw>Dawsonb: if so, try typing su -c 'ifup ath0'
05:37<gsimmons>mrw: No, ath0 = madwifi, wlan0 = ath5k.
05:37<Dawsonb>after ctrl +o it showd something else.
05:37<mrw>gsimmons: erm, whoops.
05:37<Dawsonb>so I should change it to ath5k
05:37<Dawsonb>before I close
05:37<mrw>well shoot this isn't a walk in the park
05:38<Dawsonb>k thanks gsimmons you said that before i closed thankfully
05:38<gsimmons>Dawsonb: You'll also require a "wireless-essid foo" line, and likely a "wireless-ap 00:11:22:33:44:55" line (if necessary).
05:38<Dawsonb>Append, Prepend what do i save as here
05:38<Dawsonb>wait what is that gsimmons
05:39<mrw>gsimmons: it won't automatically connect to the AP with the strongest signal?
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05:40<gsimmons>Dawsonb: Those are options to iwconfig(8), to set the interface's essid and bssid respectively.
05:40<gsimmons>mrw: Yes, you're quite right.
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05:41<mrw>Dawsonb: gsimmons has given good advice that you should make a note of, but because you'd like to see if this works save and exit nano
05:41<Dawsonb>ok, which kind of save.
05:41<Dawsonb>append, prepend?
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05:42<mrw>Dawsonb: type Control C for a second
05:42<mrw>Dawsonb: by that i mean just type Control C
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05:42<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, so type Control O. what does it say?
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05:43<Dawsonb>at the bottom is has more options
05:43<Dawsonb>for saving
05:43<mrw>Dawsonb: just type enter
05:43<Dawsonb>k done
05:43<Dawsonb>now ctrl + x?
05:43<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, type Control X
05:43<mrw>Dawsonb: yep
05:43<mrw>Dawsonb: su -c 'ifup wlan0'
05:44<Dawsonb>root pass again?
05:44<mrw>see something about trying to get a dhcp address?
05:44<Dawsonb>/etc/network/interfaces:8: too many parameters for iface line
05:44<Dawsonb>ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
05:44<Dawsonb>Doesnt sound good.
05:44<mrw>Dawsonb: right. up arrow to get to su -c 'nano...
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05:45<Dawsonb>k im back in it
05:45<Dawsonb>I messed up the editing I guess?
05:45<mrw>Dawsonb: what do you have for iface wlan0
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05:45<Dawsonb># The loopback network interface
05:45<Dawsonb>auto lo ath0
05:45<Dawsonb>iface lo inet loopback
05:45<Dawsonb>iface wlan0 inet autoread iface wlan0 inet dhcp
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05:46<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, go to the start of the iface wlan0 line
05:46<mrw>Dawsonb: delete 'iface wlan0 inet autoread '
05:46<Dawsonb>what about the auto and hte other iface line they can just chill there?
05:46<mrw>Dawsonb: yeah, let them ride
05:46<mrw>Dawsonb: your new iface wlan0 line should now say
05:47<Dawsonb>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
05:47<mrw>Dawsonb: iface wlan0 inet dhcp, with no space at the beginning
05:47<mrw>Dawsonb: yep. now control o, enter, control x
05:47<mrw>Dawsonb: su -c 'ifup wlan0'
05:47<Dawsonb>DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 7
05:47<mrw>ok, wait and see if it pulls down an ip address, might take a minute
05:47<Dawsonb>and a few more
05:48<Dawsonb>No DHCPOFFERS received.
05:48<Dawsonb>No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
05:48<mrw>Dawsonb: if it doesn't then gsimmons' note about providing wireless-essid & wireless-ap lines are important
05:48<Dawsonb>Ok,, so what exactly do I need to add. :/
05:49<mrw>Dawsonb: sure that you don't have a) wireless encryption b) mac filtering on the ap?
05:49<Dawsonb>I turned them off when I was setting up my ps3 a while back just never bothered to turn on.
05:49<mrw>Dawsonb: i would double check, esp if you're connected to the router via a cable right now
05:49<gsimmons>Dawsonb: You should also stop Network Manager (invoke-rc.d stop network-manager) and set your interface's operating mode to managed (ie. iwconfig wlan0 mode managed). Your interface is probably still in ad-hoc.
05:50<Dawsonb>Neither are on mrw
05:50<mrw>Dawsonb: gsimmons got the right dope once again
05:50<mrw>i think you'll need to be root for both of those commands
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05:51<Dawsonb>Alright what is the correct way to put those two into the teminal ten.
05:51<mrw>if you're feeling brave, type su first
05:51<mrw>enter the root password
05:52<mrw>issue those two commands (invoke-rc.d stop network-manager, iwconfig wlan0 mode managed)
05:52<mrw>then type Control D
05:52<Dawsonb>invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/stop not found.
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05:52<gsimmons>Dawsonb: Uh, "invoke-rc.d network-manager stop".
05:52<mrw>Dawsonb: invoke-rc.d network-manager stop
05:53<mrw>i trust gsimmons wholeheartedly
05:54<Dawsonb>and I put in the second one and there was no output
05:54<Dawsonb>but I guess it did something?
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05:55<Dawsonb>that uh
05:55<Dawsonb>didnt go to well
05:55<Dawsonb>Internet went bye bye and I hadn't edited in the ssid's in the other config yet
05:55<Dawsonb>So I wasnt sure what to put without help
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05:56<Dawsonb>Mrw: still around?
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05:56<mrw>Dawsonb: yeah, still root?
05:57<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, you can check that iwconfig worked by typing iwconfig wlan0
05:57<mrw>Dawsonb: on the second line you should see Mode:Managed
05:57<mrw>Dawsonb: now type ifup wlan0
05:57<Dawsonb>bash: wconfig: command not found
05:57<mrw>Dawsonb: iwconfig wlan0
05:58<Dawsonb>missed a letter :p
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05:58<EmleyMoor>Is it strictly necessary to export a volume group before using it on another system? (especially if I am only accessing the filesystems "read only")?
05:58<Dawsonb> Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated
05:59<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, ifup wlan0
05:59<Dawsonb>btw I had to turn on the network manager to get back here
05:59<Dawsonb>just fyi
05:59<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, well
05:59<Dawsonb>ifup: interface wlan0 already configured
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05:59<mrw>Dawsonb: you should shut that down before we proceed, i suppose. but what the heck, give it a shot anyway
06:00<Dawsonb>If I shut it down I have no connection
06:00<mrw>Dawsonb: ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0
06:00<locklace>EmleyMoor: what do you mean "export a volume group"
06:01<Dawsonb>its trying to get a ip again mrw.
06:01<EmleyMoor>lvm - vgexport
06:01<mrw>Dawsonb: if it doesn't work this time, log off irc, shut down network manager, and ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0 one more time. then go to sleep
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06:01<Dawsonb>Also what about that thing that guy said
06:01<Dawsonb>about putting the ssid
06:01<Dawsonb>in the config
06:01<EmleyMoor>From the HOWTO: It is now necessary to export the volume group. This prevents it from being accessed on the ``old'' host system and prepares it to be removed.
06:02<EmleyMoor>The usual host system is a VM
06:02<Dawsonb>Alright, well what was the command to turn off the network manager.
06:02<mrw>Dawsonb: what gsimmons said are good things to put into your interfaces file, but if you're close to the base station you shouldn't strictly need tthem
06:02<Dawsonb>ah. k.
06:03<ml|>kenyon: thanks for suggestion earlier that seemed to work, even tho don't understand why /etc/console-tolls/config is being ignored
06:03<XaeroOne>I need to give the args card=37 and tuner=5 to the bttv module, where do I enter it to automatically load the modules with the commands? I tried creating a file "bttv" in modprobe.d and enter it in there but it says ignoring invalid line. Can someone help please?
06:03<Dawsonb>Anyway mrw I need the command to turn off the network manager.
06:03<Dawsonb>I seem to have misplaced it
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06:03<Dawsonb>If it doesnt work screw it though im off to sleep its late. heh.
06:04<mrw>Dawsonb: as root, invoke-rc.d network-manager stop
06:04<Dawsonb>kay, thanks for your help I may be back tomorrow if it doesnt work lol
06:04<mrw>Dawsonb: ok, i'm sorry i couldn't help.
06:04<Dawsonb>its alright.
06:05<mrw>it's 3 am, though
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06:05<mjt>Dawsonb: see man modprobe.conf
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06:05<mjt>Dawsonb: what you're looking for is the line `options'
06:05<mjt>options even
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06:17<XaeroOne>I need to give the args card=37 and tuner=5 to the bttv module, where do I enter it to automatically load the modules with the commands? I tried creating a file "bttv" in modprobe.d and enter it in there but it says ignoring invalid line. Can someone help please?
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06:19<mjt>XaeroOne: just 10 minutes ago i answered *exactly* the same q.
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06:20<XaeroOne>Dawsonb: see man modprobe.conf <-this?
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06:20<mjt>yes. And note his question ;)
06:20<mjt>sounds similar, eah? :)
06:21<mjt>oh ma
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06:21<mjt>XaeroOne: it was your question, not Dawsonb's ;)
06:21<XaeroOne>I don't have a modprobe.conf in /etc
06:22<mjt>it does not matter
06:22<XaeroOne>should I create one?
06:22<mjt>just read the manpage, at least the very beginning of it
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06:29<EmleyMoor>Do I get the impression that it is actually better not to use LVM within a VM?
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06:30<XaeroOne>sheesh that was easy, I been search for more than a week on forums and what not, thank much mjt
06:30<locklace>i don't know. do you?
06:31<mjt>EmleyMoor: what do you by "VM" ? Which VM?
06:31<EmleyMoor>mjt: qemu or kvm
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06:31<mjt>lvm is easy and handy for such things
06:31<EmleyMoor>I seem to be doing it wrong then because it's uneasy and unhandy for me
06:32<mjt>if not LVM, well, the alternative will be plain files (slow) or raw partitions (uneasy)
06:32<locklace>EmleyMoor is not using it in the usual way
06:32<EmleyMoor>I mean "using an LVM on the image file"
06:32<mjt>speaking of kvm/qemu - those questions are usually discused in specialized channels like #kvm
06:33<locklace>EmleyMoor is trying to do weird things like mount volumes that exist inside the vm guest on the host at the same time as they're being used by the guest
06:33<mjt>that's asking for trouble
06:33<EmleyMoor>locklace: Well, not necessarily at the same time
06:33<EmleyMoor>Just looking for a way to have them on the host whenever the guest is not running
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06:34<mjt>for that, it's best to use whole devices in guests
06:34<mjt>ie, unpartitioned
06:34<mjt>but windows can't do that
06:34<EmleyMoor>... or with all the filesystem in one partition and just swap in the other?
06:35<mjt>swap does not matter
06:35<EmleyMoor>Indeed, for this purpose it does not
06:36<mjt>if you give, say, /dev/sda5 to guest, and create root, /usr and /var there as partitions, you'll be having hard time mounting that on host
06:36<EmleyMoor>I can manage partitioned - just not when the guest has lvm
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06:36<mjt>the same applies to /dev/mapper/volume-guest as /dev/sda5
06:37<mjt>tools like kpartx will help
06:37<EmleyMoor>mjt: It wasn't that hard to do the BSD disks in the end
06:37<mjt>the reason is that you'll need the kernel to recognize partitions inside partitions
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06:37<mjt>it does not matter which partitioning scheme you'll use
06:37<mjt>kernel does not do partitions inside partitions
06:38<EmleyMoor>I have kpartx but it would be hard and dangerous to achieve what I want
06:38<mjt>and for host that's what will be neded
06:38<mjt>well, if not kpartx, use whole devices on guests
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06:39<mjt>you can set up small "virtual disk" for guest boot only, partitioned, and put the rest on separate HOST volumes or partitions - which will be separate DISKS on guests.
06:39<mjt>that's in fact exactly what i do here
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06:40<mjt>but again: such questions better be discussed in - for example - #kvm @oftc
06:41<mjt>LVM helps to manage the pieces, not manage the inside of those pieces
06:43<mjt>if you don't plan to run tons of various guests and create/destroy guests all the time but will have constant number of non-changing guests, LVM isn't very different from plain partitions (but remember scsi disks can only have 15 partitions). But even then, LVM snapshots sometimes comes handy.
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06:44<mjt>err, #kvm @FREENODE it is
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06:44<EmleyMoor>mjt: My guests will be "permanent" but fairly moving targets
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06:58<zigga15>hey guys - I am runing Xchat and long messages recieved from other people are cut off at a particular character limit
06:58<zigga15>is this an IRC or Xchat limitation?
06:59<jkoenig>zigga15: there is an IRC limitation of 512 if I remember correctly.
07:00<zigga15>ohh ok - is there any way of changing this if you have your own server?
07:01<locklace>yes, it's configurable
07:02<zigga15>ok thanks, ill hunt around and find how :)
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07:04<locklace>note that the 512-byte limit is part of the irc protocol though (such as it is), so be careful about making changes
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07:05<ffws>but generally long messages are split in several messages
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07:07<zigga15>yea i am on a channel with windows->mirc users
07:07<zigga15>i am not hosting
07:07<zigga15>apparently \flood 1500 will do it but not sure
07:07<zigga15>my messages are split but theirs aren't
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07:22<francky>hye all
07:22<francky>finding debian fr
07:23<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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08:09<abrotman>!tell odemir about why debian
08:09<locklace>ok, this is a stupid problem and i'm not turning up any simple solutions: select text in rxvt, paste in firefox with shift+insert fails.
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08:12<weasel>paste using the middle mouse button?
08:13<locklace>i specifically do not want to paste using the middle mouse button.
08:13*weasel shrugs
08:13<weasel>there's a difference between cut buffer and the x clipboard and firefox is really good at fucking stuff up
08:14<locklace>yeah, i understand the primary selection buffer and clipboard silliness
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08:14<locklace>just hoping someone has a simple solution that doesn't involve calling out to external scripts that call xsel or whatever to manipulate the buffers
08:15<rabbit>hey guys, can anyone maybe assist me with setting up my screen card so i can use 3D
08:16<abrotman>rabbit: which video card?
08:16<rabbit>complete newbie don't know how hardware setting up work with debian
08:17<rabbit>ati mobility radeon 9000 igp
08:17<rabbit>On my ancient Hp compaq nx9110
08:20<abrotman>odemir: please do not msg me
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08:22<rabbit>any ideas?
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08:23<abrotman>rabbit: i'd guess the radeon driver should do that for you .. and if you're using lenny, it's already running most likely
08:23<Aleric>When I run 'apt-get update', I get: W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: // 4D270D06F42584E6 // W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
08:23<engy>!dkpg tell rabbit about ati
08:23<engy>!dpkg tell rabbit about ati
08:25<Aleric>nm I solved it
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08:32<kenesh>hello room ,
08:33<kenesh>Im from Romania ,lets chat :)
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08:35<XTF>Hi. How many exim4 -q processes are you supposed to have at most? I thought 1, but somehow I see 11 at the moment.
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08:39<djc>XTF, use 'exiwhat' to see what they are doing
08:39<abrotman>making eggs!
08:39<djc>(you need to use su or sudo)
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08:40<djc>you could also check the exim log
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08:46<rutski>I have this headset plugged via usb
08:46<rutski>but alsaconf isn't detecting it
08:46<rutski>it's only seeing the two on-board sound cards
08:46<rutski>anyway to fix that?
08:47<djc>is it supported?
08:47<djc>what brand/model is it?
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08:47<djc>if you arent sure, check lsusb output
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08:55<nuscire>hello everyone
08:55<obyn>good bye no one
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08:57<rutski>djc, it's a usb cable, plugged into the monitor
08:57<XTF>djc: 4x running queue, 6x delivering
08:57<rutski>djc, and then the headset is plugged into the usb cable
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08:57<rutski>so it's a usb audio adapter, sorry if that wasn't clear
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09:00<rabbit>cheers guys thanks for the help
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09:01<cahoot>rutski: usb sound uses snd-usb-audio
09:01<karim>how can I add my custom module to module-assistant ??
09:01<cahoot>rutski: not sure if a device connected to the monitor will be usable though
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09:03<rutski>cahoot, ah, hmm; why's that?
09:04<cahoot>just declaring I'm not sure - never used such
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09:07<djc>the monitor probably just has an integrated usb hub
09:07<djc>rutski, and 'usb' isnt a brand
09:08<djc>XTF, there you go then.. exim 'exim -bp' to see what messages are in the queue
09:08<djc>could be there are a few that have been sitting there and not able to be delivered (destination host down or unreachable, etc)
09:09<rutski>djc, ah, so it could be that the usb connection isn't going to the actual machine?
09:09<rutski>maybe I need another wire for that
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09:09<djc>could be when one queue-runner reaches that message, it takes long enough trying to reach the mx host for that domain that the next queue runner runs while its still trying
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09:09<djc>its not really a big deal
09:10<djc>rutski, does your monitor have a usb hub built into it?
09:10<djc>monitors are not normally usb hosts
09:10<XTF>djc: Ah, thanks. There seems to be a problem delivering to @yahoo.
09:10<djc>if it has a hub, you arent going to get anywhere plugging things into that hub unless that hub is plugged into the pc
09:10<djc>XTF, there are some domains that are notoriously hard to deliver to
09:11<djc>especially spam-haven webmail providers like yahoo
09:11<djc>could also be your system is trying to return messages sent from nonexistent yahoo mail accounts
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09:14<djc>there is a way to tell exim to show the body and/or headers of a message on the queue
09:14<djc>which you could use to see if the message was a spam
09:14<djc>but i seem to have forgotten it
09:14<djc>im trying to look it up now
09:16<djc>-Mvh and -Mvb
09:16<djc>include the message id shown by exim -bp
09:16<djc>h for headers b for body
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09:28<rutski>djc, it turned out it was a hub
09:28<rutski>djc, had to plug another connector wire form the monitor to the tower, and it the usb works
09:28<rutski>I tested it by trying a usb mouse hooked into the monitor
09:28<rutski>and it did the trick
09:28<rutski>but I still can't get sound to work off of it
09:28<rutski>alsaconf still only sees the two on-board cards
09:29<rutski>am I even supposed to be using alsaconf for this?
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09:30<amleto>chi ce
09:30<amleto> ce nessuno
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09:31<cahoot>rutski: no it's obsolete
09:31<rutski>hmm, so then what am I to do?
09:31<cahoot>rutski: cat /proc/asound/cards
09:32<rutski>cahoot, just 1 "HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia"
09:32<rutski>BUT if I use alsaconf to reconfigure to the other one
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09:33<rutski>then the content of /proc/asound/card changes
09:33<rutski>it delete the nvidia entry, and ads an entry for that other card
09:33<cahoot>rutski: try modprobe snd-usb-audio
09:33<cahoot>rutski: then cat /proc/asound/cards
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09:34<rutski>that worked
09:34<rutski>I was doing modprobe -l before, and thinking that because it was showing up there, it was loaded
09:34<rutski>should have noticed that list was way to big to be all of the modules activelyloaded
09:34<rutski>*actively loaded
09:35<cahoot>rutski: what # is the usb?
09:36<cahoot>rutski: in /proc/asound/cards
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09:36<rutski>I just did alsamixer -c 1 to turn it on
09:36<cahoot>ok now run invoke-rc.d reset 1
09:36<rutski>but it's still using the nvidia card as the default
09:36<rutski>I saw an alsa command to set which card is the default
09:36<cahoot>of course
09:36<rutski>but I forget what it was
09:37<cahoot>there used to be asoundconf - but that's dropped
09:38<cahoot>rutski: you can give the usb device index 0 if you it to be default
09:38<rutski>I distinctly recall there being a set-default-card-name command to one of the alsa tools
09:39<cahoot>sounds like asoundconf
09:39<rutski>ah, yep that was it
09:39<rutski>why did I think that was the ncurses GUI?
09:39<rutski>oh, right; that's alsaconf
09:39<rutski>I'm really tired, and they're close-ish
09:39<cahoot>both are defunct
09:40<cahoot>(at least in debian)
09:40<rutski>seems so
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09:40<rutski>that rc.d reset 1 failed too
09:41<rutski>no such rc script named 'reset', it said
09:41<cahoot>in what respect?
09:41<rutski>1 sec, I'll paste
09:41<cahoot>ok now run invoke-rc.d reset 1
09:41<rutski>2 lines coming
09:41<rutski>debian:~# invoke-rc.d reset 1
09:41<rutski>invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/reset not found.
09:41<cahoot>ok now run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 1
09:41<rutski>makes a lot more sense
09:42<rutski>hmm, can't invoke it directly from the shell?
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09:42<rutski>/etc/init.d/aslsa-utils reset 1
09:42<cahoot>as root
09:42<cahoot>either way
09:43<rutski>lots of errors when I try speaker-test after that
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09:45<cahoot>even as root?
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09:46<rutski>I'll try
09:47<rutski>cahoot, even as root:
09:48<cahoot>remove any .asoundrc*
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09:51<rutski>cahoot, speaker test now works
09:51<rutski>but it comes out of the nvidia chip
09:51<rutski>not the headset
09:51<cahoot>well it's still defualt?
09:51<cahoot>the onboard
09:52<rutski>it says it's playing from "default"
09:52<rutski>so that seems to be default, since that's where the sound is coming from
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09:52<rutski>for some reason I was under the impression that the /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 1 was supposed to make Headset the default
09:52<rutski>oh, wait; I'll try asoundconf agian
09:53<cahoot>edit /etc/mdprobe.d/alsa-base (at the bottom) and set options snd-usb-audio index=0 , give 1 to snd-hda-intel. After that run alsa force reload
09:53<rutski>cahoot, no luck with asoundconf:
09:53<cahoot>edit /etc/mdprobe.d/alsa-base (at the bottom) and set options snd-usb-audio index=0 , give 1 to snd-hda-intel. After that run alsa force reload
09:54<rutski>ah, alsa-base, sure; I'll try that now
09:54<rutski>yea, just read
09:54<cahoot>and remove any .asoundrc*
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09:54<rutski>I did, yep :)
09:54<cahoot>theyre recreated by asoundconf
09:54<rutski>that's why they kept popping up
09:55<rutski>finally works :)
09:56<rutski>time to see if it sticks after a reboot
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09:56<cahoot>just relaod alsa
09:56<cahoot>it's the same
09:56<rutski>still have to test it
09:56<rutski>it won't feel right otherwise
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09:59<rutski>cahoot, interesting; it didn't work
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10:00<rutski>had to do a "sudo alsa force-reload"
10:00<rutski>and then it started working
10:00<rutski>trying to figure out how to make it so that I don't have to manually do that on boot
10:00<rutski>any hints? :(
10:01<cahoot>check logs for possible errors
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10:03<rutski>you mean in /var/log? I don't see much.
10:03<cahoot>enable bootlogd and check /var/log/boot
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10:11<weasel>nuscire: don't do that. ever again.
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10:17<mikhail>i have screen problems with debian lenny, it refuses to detect the proper resolutions, or let me force the right one
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10:19<skilz>can someone help me please, I wanna get that nice looking dock thing like OSX has
10:19<skilz>what do I need to get
10:20<mikhail>gnome or kde?
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10:21<skilz>im using blackbox right bow
10:22<skilz>now*. But I have gnome installed also
10:22<abrotman>docker ?
10:22<mikhail>alright, you may want to look into Cairo-Dock, it's an animated dock like on osx for Compiz
10:23<mikhail>try an apt-get, if my apt wasn't locked atm i'd check it right now
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10:23<rutski>how do I find out what resolution my xorg is running under?
10:23<rutski>oh, wait; log files
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10:24<rutski>but it feels nasty to have to dig around log files for this
10:24<cahoot>xrandr -q
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10:24<skilz>cairo-clock - An analog clock drawn with vector-graphics
10:24<skilz>thats all there is
10:24<mikhail>rutski xrandr -q
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10:25<rutski>doesn't xrandr call itself an "extension"
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10:25<rutski>what if it's not installed?
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10:25<mikhail>do you have x window manager installed?
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10:25<rutski>mikegrb, fluxbox, yep
10:26<rutski>it's so much more fun than GNOME :)
10:26<rutski>better, maybe not
10:26<rutski>more fun, definitely
10:26<mikhail>heh, to each their own
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10:26<skilz>anyone know how to download cairo dock
10:26<cahoot>I very much believe xrandr is intrinsic to xorg
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10:27<rutski>cahoot, ah?
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10:27<rutski>cahoot, say something to make me believe it too
10:27<cahoot>run xrandr in a term?
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10:28<giupy_>how can i solve "can't access tty; job control turned off" at boot ?
10:29<cahoot>built your own kernel?
10:30<giupy_>cahoot but what causes it ?
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10:30<cahoot>or even running debian?
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10:31<bubu>cairo dock
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10:33<cahoot>mikhail: keep your questions in channel - more people to help
10:33<mikhail>okay, how do i switch to the mode i just created thanks to you?
10:34<cahoot>xrandr -h shows
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10:35<cahoot>first --newmode - then add that to the output
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10:35<mikhail>did that
10:36<cahoot>does it show up in xrandr -q now?
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10:36<mikhail>yes sir/mam
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10:38<cahoot>and xrandr --output <whatever> --mode <name> ?
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10:39<mikhail>dunno what it's outputting on
10:39<mikhail>hence can't change it
10:39<mikhail>it's a laptop
10:39<cahoot>doesn't xrandr -q list you outputs?
10:40<cahoot>like LVDS
10:40<mikhail>negative, just the current resolution
10:40<mikhail>and other possible
10:40<cahoot>aha - you run nvidia?
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10:41<cahoot>same here - works just fine
10:41<mikhail>but im pretty sure im using vesa as the screen just goes white with intel driver
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10:41<mikhail>this is just a temporary fix while i do a dist-upgrade to sid in the background
10:41<cahoot>mikh ok that might be the first to fix
10:41<mikhail>seeing as this is my only computer
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10:42<mikhail>how does one fix that? if i enable the intel driver, it goes white and dirty, like a piece of paper run over pavement
10:42<mikhail>there's nothing displayed
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10:43<cahoot>mikhail: what graphic device?
10:43<cahoot>(and what debian version)
10:45<mikhail>lenny, stable, it's an intel 4500 gma i believe
10:45<giupy_>ramdisk=8192 can solve ?? "can't access tty; job control turned off" at boot ?
10:46<mikhail>it is supported, at least the official intel linux page says it is
10:47<cahoot>mikhail: try move xorg.conf away
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10:48<mikhail>i dont understand?
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10:49<cahoot>mikhail: might be your card is automagically configured correctly if any custom xorg.conf is moved out of harms way
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10:50<mikhail>oh :-p ive tried a dpkg reconfigure from fresh, and it fails miserably
10:50<mikhail>first thing i tried actually
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10:57<mikhail>any other suggestions?
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11:00<mikhail>i just need to change the resolution
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11:00<mikhail>for now
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11:01<giupy>can i use a precompiled kernel without initrd ?
11:01<giupy>and how
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11:06<locklace>i don't think so
11:06<locklace>because the precompiled kernels are by definition generic, they have to have the entire load of drivers to work on the widest possible number of systems
11:06<locklace>hence initrd
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11:08<giupy>and how can i have a similar kernel precompiled without initrd ?
11:08<giupy>must i recompile it ?
11:08<giupy>using the .config af the precompiled kernel ?
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11:09<locklace>you can build your own in the usual way, containing the drivers you need, and use the debian tool make-kpkg to make a debian package out of it
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11:10<giupy>locklace yes but i didn't want do it :9
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11:10<locklace>then you're stuck with initrd, as far as i know
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11:11<mikhail>can someone help me ? xrandr --output <what goes here>
11:12<cahoot>mikhail: you need to get out of vesa
11:13<mikhail>what do you suggest
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11:20<mikhail>okay it says default connected
11:20<mikhail>but when i try to select the mode
11:20<mikhail>it says no mode by that name
11:20<mikhail>which makes no sense :-p
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11:22<cahoot>mikhail: what does lspci -v say about your graphic card?
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11:24<raver>enouf: hi~i finally know where the problem is
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11:24<mikhail>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
11:24<mikhail> Subsystem: Sony Corporation Device 9035
11:24<mikhail> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
11:24<mikhail> Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M]
11:24<mikhail> Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
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11:25<mikhail>my bad
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11:26<cahoot>mikhail: try lspci -kn - to get hold of the pciid
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11:27<raver>enouf: my root is hdh3,but sometimes the boot halt at "waiting for root file system" and the tips shows the partition is hdd
11:28<enouf>raver: hdh3 ?
11:28<raver>root partition is hdh3
11:28<enouf>raver: you udev (and perhaps dbus and any/all automount things) is a mess it seems
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11:29<enouf>raver: are you the Backup once a week guy/gal?
11:29<raver>i don't think so..i just setup debian less than two weeks
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11:31<raver>my hard drive was identified by debian as hdh...when i setup the debian OS
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11:34<raver>but sometimes the boot system identify it as hdd automatically, and i think that's why the system can't find the root file system, cause it is mounted at hdh3 indeed
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11:44<xero>erm fuck
11:44<xero>tried to /server
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11:46<Gateway>hello, I would like to disable that red line in xchat, anybody for help please ?
11:49<cahoot>xchat-gnome? no?
11:49<Gateway>yes gnome :)
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11:50<Gateway>no Debian
11:50<Gateway>not xchat-gnome I think
11:50<Gateway>it's xchat
11:50<Gateway>and I find that red line a little bit disturbing
11:51<Gateway>I press ctrl+m to remove it but it appears again
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11:52<mikhail>xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed, help?
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11:53<nuscire>Each time I login to my system (Debian Lenny), I was showed with 'You have mail' or 'No mail'. Which program controls this? Thanks.
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11:55<cahoot>Gateway: somehow it's disabled here but I can't figure out where it's done - only pestered me in xchat-gnome
11:56<cahoot>Gateway: I think it's a marker of where you left the convo when changing windows
11:57<Gateway>no it helps for repairing lines
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11:57<Gateway>for tracking I mean
11:58<Gateway>when I press ctrl+m the line disappear but it appears again when a new line emerges
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12:02<cahoot>Gateway: /set text_show_marker [0/1] - Toggle red marker line feature
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12:03<cahoot>Gateway: text_show_marker = 0 in xchat2.conf
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12:03<cahoot>Gateway: err xchat.conf
12:03<coucouf>nuscire: I don't know exactly but the motd manual should give you information about that
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12:04<Gateway>cahoot, I copy/pass the first one
12:05<kostya>А де тут у Вас можно задать вопрос по русски?
12:05<Gateway>but it doesn't work... do I have to restart xchat ?
12:05<cahoot>Gateway: better edit your xchat.conf
12:06<kostya>Somebody speak russian?
12:06<nuscire>couconf: Thanks. But I disabled motd. It seams some program report that message when some mails arrived at my spool. I just don't know which one.
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12:06<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
12:07<skilz>Hi im using Cairo-Dock, when I mouse over it theres a black box around it that covers part of my wallpaper, how do I fixthis problem?
12:07<nuscire>cousouf: sorry, typo.
12:07<Gateway>cahoot, thank you very much for your help that's really kind :)
12:07<Gateway>see you later guys
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12:08<coucouf>nuscire: typo twice, not bad :)
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12:09<nuscire>coucouf: :-)
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12:10<nuscire>See you. Too late here. Good day (night) :)
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12:12<EmleyMoor>If I want a specific ordinary user to be able to umount some filesystems mounted at boot time, other than the "user" option, what do I need in /etc/fstab?
12:15<llutz>since those fs aren't mounted by your user, you'll need "users" (man mount)
12:15<EmleyMoor>Yes, just found it...
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12:19<EmleyMoor>llutz: Got this thing doing just what I want now
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12:25<EmleyMoor>(with the BSD guests at least - Debian and ReactOS need rework!)
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12:26<kostya>Hello. Help me please. When I try to start game Zeroballistics it says At least GLSL version 1.10 is required to run this program, but only 0.0 is present. What can I do?
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12:26<EmleyMoor>kostya: Is that game packaged for Debian or is it from elsewhere?
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12:29<kostya>No, it'isnt. This game already compiled, downloaded from web.
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12:30<EmleyMoor>kostya: Did the instructions state what libraries etc. it needed?
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12:32<kostya>This game have all libraries in folder shared_libs. No instructions.
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12:35<djc>It would be nice. If evince, when entering into fillable fields in a PDF that supports them, would advance to the next field on hitting tab
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12:36<djc>im not entirely sure how to submit that suggestion to the evince developers
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12:37<djc>havent been able to find either a bugtra or a 'submit suggestion' link or anything like that on their website
12:37<djc>oh wait.. nvm
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12:38<djc>apparently submitting bugs is a security sensitive item, and its demaning a login and password
12:39<djc>No option to submit bugs or feature suggestions anonymously for you!
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12:39<djc>note that its not that i want to hide or anything, I just dont want to have yet *another* login to manage for one tiny suggestion I want to make
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12:41<plsd>I just added backports to my sources list and I'm going to get pidgin from backports. does this looks alright?
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12:43<djc>basially, it looks like its telling you that the pidgin in backports needs the 'finch' in backports.. whatever that is
12:43<djc>why do you need the pidgin in backports in the first place?
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12:43<dpkg>somebody said finch was a really weird guy, or a girl
12:44<djc>oh.. ok
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12:44<djc>finch is another IM client you also have
12:44<djc>and it uses the same libraries pidgin does
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12:44<djc>so if you upgrade one, it wants to upgrade the other as well
12:45<plsd>djc, and it looks like it'll do that right?
12:45<djc>if thats what you want
12:45<djc>why do you need the pidgin in backports in the first place?
12:45<djc>smething wrong with the stable one?
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12:46<plsd>apparently the version in backports supports offline messages for msn, and splits large messages into smaller ones.
12:46<djc>I see
12:46<plsd>and supports buddy icons from the new official client
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13:06<tRmQ>does anybody have positive experience with kodak printers (all in one)
13:08<djc>have you looked at the openprinting website?
13:08<djc>Im assuming you are asking in regards to their compatibility with non-windows platforms
13:09<Zackfett>is there a better GUI style debian install that takes less time?
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13:09<djc>to install debian?
13:09<tRmQ>yeap (lenny, of course) i will check it now (im trying to escape the vicious hp ink cost
13:09<djc>or to install packages on a runing system?
13:09<djc>if the latter, try synaptic
13:09<Zackfett>install debian
13:10<tRmQ>djc: thanks, i will check it now
13:10<djc>Oh.. I think most of the time it takes is copying files in
13:10<djc>which is mostly a factor of the speed of your hard drive, CD and/or Internet.. etc.
13:10<djc>theres not much that you could do to speed it up
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13:11<Zackfett>is there a better GUI for it?
13:11<Zackfett>like a live cd type install
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13:12<kenyon>Zackfett: the console GUI is the better GUI.
13:12<Zackfett>not if you dont like looking through ten different mens to get gnome
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13:13<djc>Zackfett, so just do a basic install with default options, then add stuff you want from there
13:13<djc>ten menus to get gnome?
13:13<Zackfett>last time i did that i was stuck in 640X480 res
13:13<djc>gnome is the default install
13:13<kenyon>The desktop task installs gnome.
13:13<Zackfett>and i couldnt change it
13:13<Zackfett>forget it im just gonna get slax
13:13<djc>what video adapter do you have?
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13:15<skilz>some people make me laough
13:15<skilz>laugh even
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13:16<skilz>Howdy manuel
13:16<manuel>ich hab grade festgestellt das ich mit der neuen sdlLib nicht alle auflösungen benutzen kann zb kommt bei 800x600 bei meinem Bildschirm Falsche Videofrequenz mit einer alten lib (bei nwn dabei) geht das allerdings
13:17<djc>skilz, I'd like to see them install a stock windows on hardware without it being preinstall and without the pc makers drivers cd
13:17<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:17<manuel>upps sorry
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13:25<skilz>im using Cairo-Dock, when I mouse over it theres a black box around it that covers part of my wallpaper, how do I fixthis problem?
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13:29<gomoran>amarok in squeeze says it cannot play mp3s because xien can not. What package is missing?
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13:31<RootHerd>buenas saludos
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13:40<coucouf>gomoran: libxine1-ffmpeg I guess
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13:41<stuckey>I'm using wmii---does anyone know how I can take a screenshot?
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13:43<llutz>stuckey: use import from imagemagick
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13:43<llutz>or gimp
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13:44<stuckey>llutz: how do I use imagemagick
13:45<llutz>stuckey: man import
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13:49<stuckey>llutz: thanks!
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13:51<stuckey>Anyone know of a terminal emulator besdies gnome that support copying and pasting?
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13:52<EmleyMoor>stuckey: It's a normal feature of xterm and others
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13:52<stuckey>EmleyMoor: thanks
13:53<stuckey>Do you know how to copy something out of conkeror? The web browser...
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13:53<stuckey>I like this browswer but I think it's so stupid that they don't use the normal "ctrl + c" way of pasting,
13:53<locklace>except you have to understand the difference between X's "primary selection" and "clipboard" or you're likely to get screwed
13:53<llutz>mark it with left-mouse, paste with middle
13:53<stuckey>copying* i mean
13:53<stuckey>What's the difference?
13:54<locklace>long story ;)
13:54<stuckey>llutz: okay cool... how do I copy though?
13:54<patrikf>stuckey: just select.
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13:54<stuckey>patrikf: okay I selected it ...
13:55<patrikf>stuckey: and paste with middle-click
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13:55<stuckey>patrikf: doesn't work
13:55<Guest2182>hi all
13:55<stuckey>ebian:~$ jpgjpgjp11633539screenshot
13:55<mtc>help me find a package? there is this program that lets you create bootable usb drives easily with drop-down menus to select a linux ISO - cannot remember the name
13:55<locklace>mtc: unetbootin
13:55<stuckey>damn it I hate this stupid conkeror
13:55<mtc>thanks much locklace
13:55<stuckey>Why can't they just make a normal copy and paste function
13:56<stuckey>and it doesn't even say how to do this in the man pages
13:56<stuckey>you'd think this would be considered important enough to include int he man pages
13:56<Guest2182>i am using thinkpad r51 2887-MQ5, lenny 5.0.1, i have found that my lan card can also used for wlan
13:56<EmleyMoor>stuckey: That method is the same as xterm's
13:56<Guest2182>how do i search for lenny comaptible device ?
13:56<stuckey>EmleyMoor: What? No, I'm trying to copy something out of the program "conkeror".
13:57<EmleyMoor>stuckey: Did "left drag over" then middle-click to paste work?
13:57<locklace>Guest2182: if you have a supported wlan card/chipset, the kernel should have detected it at boot; verify by looking at dmesg or try iwconfig
13:57<stuckey>EmleyMoor: no
13:57<stuckey>I can't post in xterm after doing that
13:57<EmleyMoor>As I say I don't know that browser
13:57<stuckey>it just posts what I've selectedin xterm.
13:57<stuckey>EmleyMoor: never use it.
13:58<stuckey>EmleyMoor: it's wonderful except... you can't copy and paste.
13:58<stuckey>EmleyMoor: so yeah it's basically worthless because of that.
13:58<locklace>it's probably the primary/clipboard thing
13:58<EmleyMoor>You can't beat a well-iced weasel
13:58<llutz>Guest2182: always good to know:
13:58<stuckey>What's the copy command for emacs?
13:58<Guest2182>locklace, lo, eth0, irda0 : no wireless extensions. does it mean that my card is not compatible for wlan ?
13:58<weasel>M-x butterfly
13:59<Guest2182>i did try there, no luck
13:59<locklace>Guest2182: means the kernel probably didn't detect it, so you should find out exactly what model it is, and compare with the list of wireless drivers in current linux kernel
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14:00<djc>Guest2182, once the right module for your wireless is loaded you'll have another interface, perhaps wlan0
14:00<djc>and that will be the one with wireless extensions
14:00<djc>lo is lookupback, eth0 is your wired ethernet and irda0 is your IR port
14:00<locklace>Guest2182: some wireless drivers have been added since the lenny kernel version (2.6.26)
14:01<llutz>Guest2182: maybe you'll need firmware
14:01<llutz>Guest2182: check "dmesg" output
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14:03<Guest2182>llutz, some lines are missing at the beginning of the console, can i make an output in text file ? in btw, for which keyword shoud i search in dmesg
14:04<llutz>Guest2182: dmesg|less
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14:04<llutz>Guest2182: wireless, ipw, iwl, wifi, firmware
14:05<Guest2182>llutz, ok i will revert if i find anything
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14:16<Guest2182>interestingly there are no keywords as suggested by u
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14:17<Guest2182>llutz, interestingly there are no keywords as suggested by you
14:17<llutz>Guest2182: paste output of "lspci" pls
14:18<EmleyMoor>I allowed for 32 loopback devices when I reconfigured this morning - it looks like I actually need 29 so it was a good guess
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14:19<Guest2182>llutz :
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14:20<Guest2182>llutz, however i did find this : e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.5.23-k4-NAPI in dmesg | less
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14:20<llutz>Guest2182: that's LAN
14:20<Guest2182>llutz, ok
14:20<cahoot>incomplete paste
14:21<llutz>Guest2182: no wifi in paste
14:21<cahoot>incomplete paste Guest203
14:22<cahoot>Guest2182: ^^
14:22<cahoot>you've missed half the output
14:22<Guest2182>cahoot, herewith i am pasting again output :
14:23<llutz>Guest2182: no wifi in paste, sure you have it? there are r52 without
14:25<Guest2182>llutz, yes, may be i should purchase wlan device. i will cross-verify with lenovo forums
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14:29<djc>Guest2182, you should also check against debians list of recommended wifi devices, and avoid unsupported ones
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14:29<Guest2182>djc, ok
14:29<djc>one sec and I'll paste ou a url
14:30<Guest2182>djc, that's nice
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14:33<EmleyMoor>How do I print a disk's partition table in sectors?
14:33<locklace>EmleyMoor: fdisk -l -u
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14:54<Guest2182>llutz, i did meanwhile did a check for warranty information of my laptop and came across with this : CALEXICO-2 802.11B/G WIRELESS LAN MINI P
14:56<Guest2182>llutz, cahoot, djc, please help me .......
14:56<llutz>Guest2182: Mini-PCI devices should be listed by lspci. Check BIOS, maybe it's disabled there
14:57<Guest2182>llutz, that's great. please tell me which option should i turn it on
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15:01<djc>how the heck should we know? check your bios
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15:24<Guest2199>llutz, i am <Guest2182> , i did switch on internal wireless device and irda. herewith i am pasting my lspci and dmesg data :
15:24<rutski_>is there a package that provides a volume control thingy that sits in a window manager's dock bar?
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15:24<rutski_>GNOME and KDE have such volume control applets
15:24<rutski_>but I'm not suing GNOME or KDE
15:24<rutski_>just fluxbox
15:25<Guest2199>llutz, please llok into the data and let me know anything. before running the both commands, i did run aptitude update,full-upgrade, apt-get update,upgrade
15:29<amphi>rutski_: failing that, you could just create keybindings for amixer commands
15:31<llutz>Guest2199: still no wifi
15:31<Guest2199>llutz, ys
15:32<rutski_>amphi, yea, looking into that now
15:32<amphi>rutski_: xbindkeys FTW
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15:37<rutski_>amphi, it's just not working
15:37<rutski_>I mean, just the raw amxier command
15:37<rutski_>amixer -c 0 sset Speaker %0 mute
15:37<rutski_>no errors
15:38<rutski_>but it doesn't mute
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15:38<rutski_>nm, got it
15:38<rutski_>s/Speaker/Speaker Playback/
15:40<Guest2199>llutz, right now i am installing wlan-ng and let u know anything pops up
15:41<locklace>Guest2199: if your card works at all, i think this is the driver for it:
15:41<llutz>Guest2199: i doubt that because theres no hardware listed in lspci.
15:42<locklace>Guest2199: think you have an intel pro/wireless 2200bg. but why it isn't in your lspci is a mystery
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15:42<locklace>note that the card does need firmware
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15:43<alexei>Hello! I'm trying to execute linux file located at ntfs-3g mounted drive. It have 0777 rights but still I got permission denied.
15:43<themill>locklace: ipw2200 is a usb chipset
15:43<enrique>spanish irc?
15:43<llutz>themill: nope
15:44<Guest2199>locklace, i did switch on infra red, does it show in lspci
15:44<llutz>Guest2199: paste "lsusb" pls
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15:45<llutz>just wanted to be sure, no wifi at all (usb/pci)
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15:48<Guest2199>llutz, there is no wifi at all in y system
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15:49<llutz>themill: this ismy lspci-output: 02:07.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05)
15:49<llutz>for sure pci-device, no usb
15:49<themill>llutz: oh... I must be remembering the ipw2100.
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15:50<alexei>ok, I solved it, one need to add "exec" at the end of fstab item params.
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15:50<themill>llutz: one of the ipw2x00 ones was usb... but it's years since I owned such a device. I stand corrected!
15:51<locklace>Guest2199: install the driver and firmware anyway and see what happens, can't hurt
15:51<Guest2199>locklace, installation is on the way
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15:52<azeem>themill: all of the mainstream intel wireless chips are/were miniPCI I guess - maybe they did some USB ones but those are probably marginal (never heard about it)
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15:52<eduardo>Algum brasileiro?
15:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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15:56<themill>azeem: one of my old laptops had a built-in usb wireless chipset and the kill switch simulated a usb unplug in some way... Pretty sure it was on my old HP laptop but as I don't have it any more I can't check! (I know I'm not delusional on this!)
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15:56<azeem>themill: I don't doubt there are usb wlan chipsets, just the mainstream centrino ones are miniPCI
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16:02<Tcl>hello how i can connect to internet - mobile broadbandd usb stick ?
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16:02<abz___>hi guys just installed jaunty and having problems with a few things. want to set up my ubuntu box as a samba server - installed samba and selected shares but can't seem to access from my other computers. the gdm resolution is also massive when it first loads....would like to fire up at 1024x768
16:03<azeem>abz___: which irc client do you use?
16:03<azeem>abz___: did you connect to this channel automatically?
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16:03<abz___>hmm think it must have
16:04<azeem>abz___: so yes?
16:04<abz___>lol yup
16:04<azeem>why is this bug popping up every year?
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16:04<Tcl>hello how i can connect to internet - mobile broadbandd usb stick ?
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16:07<manpoole>hi i just installed debian lenny on an older computer an i was wondering what tweaks i could do to it to make it run smoother
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16:08<locklace>manpoole: is it not running smoothly now?
16:08<manpoole>its running better than xubuntu but not perfect
16:09<manpoole>i was wondering if there was anything i could disable
16:09<locklace>manpoole: how specifically
16:09<locklace>yes, there's probably a ton of things you can disable if you chose anything over "basic install"
16:09<manpoole>well the web browser is extremely slow loading flash
16:09<locklace>i always choose the bare-bones install and add only the stuff beyond that i want
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16:09<Mr-R>manpoole: do you run X? kde/gnome?
16:10<Mr-R>manpoole: try lxde. ;)
16:10<manpoole>is there a faster alternative?
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16:10<manpoole>thats what i need
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16:10<Mr-R>manpoole: or fvwm/fvwm2 or so. if you are low on memory
16:10<manpoole>ive been recommended to lxde before
16:10<stuckey>manpoole: wmii is what you want.
16:11<dpkg>Window Manager Improved 2: a lightweight window manager for X, which attempts to combine the best ideas of tiling and tabbing window managers like larswm, <ratpoison>, or ion with the flexibility of the Acme programming environment of the plan9 operating system
16:11<stuckey>Gah, dpkg knows everything.
16:11<manpoole>how d i enable the lxde windows manager?
16:11<manpoole>ill try that too
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16:12<stuckey>manpoole: "apt-get install lxde" then select it in the GDM menu (if you're using GDM).
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16:12<manpoole>that easy eh?
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16:13<stuckey>manpoole: if not you'll need to do "update-alternatives -config x-window-manager"
16:13<stuckey>Then select lxde from the list it gives you.
16:13<stuckey>manpoole: Yeah it's fairly easy.
16:13<stuckey>man but seriously, wmii is what you want. Once you try it you won't go back.
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16:13<manpoole>with gnome running it still runs smoother than xubuntu but not quite perfect
16:14<manpoole>is it graphically appealing?
16:14<stuckey>manpoole: I have a very fast machine and I run wmii anyway, just because I like it that much.
16:14<stuckey>manpoole: I find it graphically appealing, but it's a matter of opinion.
16:14<manpoole>oh and i have 256 ram just to give you an idea
16:14<stuckey>manpoole: that's more than enough
16:14<stuckey>manpoole: wmii is very basic
16:15<manpoole>i bet a new windows manager will really help out hope it helps save some ram for web flash applications
16:15<Mr-R>manpoole: its the little things you like in a window manager. window-placement, shortcuts, mouse... try some out and use what you like.
16:15<Tcl> how i can connect to internet - mobile modem on usb ?
16:16<azeem>Tcl: which version of Debian?
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16:16<manpoole>oh and i see debian seemed to dislike me running ndiswrapper
16:16<Tcl>501 Lenny
16:16<stuckey>manpoole: wireless isn't worth the trouble. Just use an ethernet cable.
16:17<azeem>stuckey: please don't pretend you know best how people should use their computers
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16:17<stuckey>azeem: I'm not pretending.
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16:17<manpoole>i got it to work but it just said debian does not recommend ndiswrapper because windows drivers suck or something of the sort
16:17<manpoole>i thought it was commical
16:17<azeem>manpoole: what is "it"?
16:18<stuckey>Can you seriously tell me that wireless isn't a pain in the ass?
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16:18<manpoole>usb wifi adapter
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16:18<Tcl>can u tell me how to connect it ?
16:18<manpoole>once you figure it out its as easy as buter on any distro
16:18<azeem>manpoole: your usb wifi adapter told you that Debian does not recommend ndiswrapper?
16:18<stuckey>Tcl: what do you see when you run iwconfig?
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16:18<manpoole>no debian recommended not to use ndiswrapper
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16:18<stuckey>Tcl: if it says "command not found" run apt-get install iwconfig
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16:19<manpoole>because it doubts the stability of windows drivers
16:19<Tcl>1 sec
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16:19<manpoole>well i have a great webpage i bookmarked
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16:19<azeem>manpoole: ndiswrapper is not recommended because driver bugs cannot be fixed
16:19<eric_justin_allan>hey how do I mount ntfs files in debians fstab?
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16:20<manpoole>thats the article that got me running in 30 seconds
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16:20<locklace>eric_justin_allan: just put them in?
16:20<dpkg>from memory, ntfs is Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, , ,
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16:23<eric_justin_allan>debian automatically mounted the c drive with the line /dev/hda1 /disks/C vfat utf8 0 0 which is great accept i dont know how to mount the E or the F drive that are ntfs
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16:24<locklace>eric_justin_allan: first verify that they're in your partition table
16:24<Tcl>couldn't find package iwconfig
16:24<locklace>eric_justin_allan: fdisk -l
16:24<stuckey>Tcl: "apt-get install iwconfig wireless-tools"
16:24<manpoole>ok back to the noob questions how do i enable lxde from gnome?
16:24<stuckey>manpoole: As you using GDM?
16:24<Tcl>if is not connected to internet how apt-get install works ?
16:24<stuckey>manpoole: i.e., do you see a graphical login page when you sign in?
16:24<eric_justin_allan>it looks liek tehre 6 and 12
16:25<stuckey>Tcl: oh! Sorry
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16:25<stuckey>Tcl: Yeah that's a different matter.
16:25<locklace>eric_justin_allan: so now you know what to put in your fstab
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16:25<stuckey>manpoole: then go there, and select it. There's an option for it once you install lxde.
16:25<manpoole>i suppose its gdm
16:25<stuckey>manpoole: gdm is standard.
16:26<stuckey>Tcl: Do you have an install DVD?
16:26<eric_justin_allan>what are the options dump and pass? do they matter.?
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16:26<Tcl>so let me think Debian cant see my wireless usb modem ..?? only caabel is good ?
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16:26<manpoole>and ill give wmii a shot too
16:26<Tcl>of the modem or Debian ?
16:26<stuckey>Tcl: a debian installation disk... that you should have used to install the operating system.
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16:27<Tcl>yes just finish installing it
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16:27<stuckey>Tcl: okay then you may be able to install iwconfig from that.
16:27<stuckey>Tcl: give it a shot
16:28<eric_justin_allan>locllace: what are the options dump and pass? do they matter.?
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16:28<locklace>eric_justin_allan: just copy the line that's already in there and change the partition number and mount directory name (and don't forget to create the latter)
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16:30<locklace>after that, mount -a should work
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16:34<manpoole>okay lxde its a bit quicker than i expected
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16:34<manpoole>i expected an improvement but wow amazing thanks
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16:34<locklace>manpoole: if you're still having issues with things like flash, double-check your X server driver and version and look at the log to see which rendering features and which of your card's graphics capabilities are being used
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16:35<manpoole>yea i was going to say
16:35<manpoole>i noticed adobe 10 was not the default installed
16:35<manpoole>i was wondering if that was part of the problem
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16:37<locklace>i would actually like to be able to view a dvd at some point
16:37<locklace>but vlc still chokes horribly on any disc i put in
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16:39<Rimaille>locklace, i have no problem with vlc, have you tried xine ?
16:40<locklace>Rimaille: nope, i was kind of hoping vlc would work before trying to do anything else
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16:41<enouf>locklace: mplayer
16:41<enouf>and try various non-pirated movies ;-)
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16:41<babilen>locklace: what do you actually mean by "choke" ?
16:42<Rimaille>i just can say that vlc works perfectly for me, and i have a lot of dvd... (just try another player to see if your dvd device is guilty)
16:42<locklace>enouf: i am only trying actual original dvds
16:42<locklace>babilen: well, i can paste all the error output if you're really interested ;)
16:43<babilen>locklace: you might want to install libdvdcss.
16:43<locklace>babilen: yeah, i ran into that when researching the error messages, but didn't see a package for it in the main repositories
16:43<enouf>locklace: well .. my supposed real good NEC DVDRW drive won;t play certain DVDs and i even upgraded the firmware to attempt to fix (RegionFree, etc)
16:44<babilen>locklace: that was the major problem i had with DVDs. Note that the library is not available on Debian though. You can download .debs from the videolan website
16:44<locklace>enouf: yes i think i'll need to flash the firmware with rpc1 or something
16:44<manpoole>is there a package not installed by defualt that enables all of the codecs and maybe adobe 10 too
16:44<enouf>i don;t think i tried to reboot into win98 yet, but everyone when i used it in 98 worked
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16:44<locklace>babilen: ok, i was reluctant to install unofficial packages just to get vlc to work, but if you think that will make the difference then i'll give it a try
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16:45<enouf>locklace: '/msg dpkg dmm' has libdvdcss* and many other things
16:45<babilen>locklace: The problem is that *a lot* of DVDs are encrypted and VLC is not able to decrypt them without libdvdcss ( read up on it, it is a nice story about the freedom of source code)
16:46<locklace>enouf: yeah, that's the whole separate multimedia repository thing i assume
16:46<enouf>most all commercial DVD movies use CSS or some other crap
16:46<locklace>i was hoping to avoid it, but guess i can't ;)
16:46<locklace>babilen: ok, good to know. yes, that's a big part of the problem from what i can tell
16:46<amphi>enouf: cool, you found an RPC1 ameliorated fw for it?
16:46<enouf>SonyShit employed some ArcoOS at one point too
16:46<babilen>locklace: try the videolan package first (
16:47<enouf>amphi: sure ;-) that was a while back
16:47<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
16:47<locklace>babilen: do i need to install a different vlc package in order for it to find and use that lib, or will the current vlc pick up on it (dlopen)?
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16:48<babilen>locklace: just install the library. vlc will detect and use it. the problem is that debian is aparently not allowed to distribute libdvdcss..
16:48<locklace>yeah, they have *all* the firmware patches ;)
16:48<Tcl>there is a code for makeing debian recognise when i insert the modem on usb ?/
16:48<locklace>babilen: right. ok, thanks
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16:49<locklace>babilen: is that package available for x86_64?
16:50<amphi>libdvdcss? sure, why wouldn't it be?
16:50<locklace>just looking in the link he gave, it only has an i386 package
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16:51<amphi>why not just add the dmm repo and have aptitude get it for you?
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16:52<locklace>i'm getting the feeling that's the unofficial but necessary step needed to make dvds playable. :)
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16:53<babilen>locklace: hmm, good question. i have that package installed and am using amd64...
16:53<babilen>locklace: but where was it from?
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16:53<amphi>locklace: it is ;) you'll probably want libdvdread also
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16:54<locklace>ok, fine, i'll bite the bullet and go down that road ;)
16:55<locklace>the debian-mm page i found looked sufficiently dodgy for me to be wary about loading a bunch of packages from the guy, hehe
16:55<manpoole>i need some helping running flash on an older computer it seems incredibly slow and i have an external graphics card
16:55<dpkg>i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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16:56<enouf>manpoole: use /msg dpkg youtube script"
16:56<enouf>manpoole: do "/msg dpkg youtube script" in your irc client
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16:57<themill>azeem: yeah... my memory was that this one was ipw2100 but it's been some years, so I've probably conflated a couple of different machines in the mean time ;(
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16:57<babilen>locklace: you really should. th easiest way *might* be to use dmm. but that fscked up my multimedia system *once* because there was a problem with some packages...
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16:58<babilen>locklace: i ditched dmm afterwards and installed just libdvdcss2 ... but i can't remember where i got it from.
16:58<amphi>dmm has always worked ok for me
16:58<babilen>locklace: maybe just go down the dmm road. it is probably worth it, because it greatly enhances debians multimedia capabilities
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16:59<locklace>babilen: that was what i was worried about, issues with package quality and conflicts with the official package set
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16:59<locklace>i mean, is this repository going to continue to be updated and maintained and integrated properly with official packages?
17:00<manpoole>enouf would that be a script i could install into firefox's monkey extension?
17:02<djc>enouf, 'flash' doesnt automatically mean youtube. there are other flash sites.
17:02<djc>flash sucks anyway
17:02<enouf>djc: so what?
17:02<djc>he was asking about flash, not youtube
17:02<enouf>manpoole: Firepoop sucks ass
17:02<enouf>so do all Bloated Browsers .. slow as shit
17:03<danger>There's nothing wrong with FireFox or Flash
17:03<djc>and what do you use?
17:03<amphi>midori is nice, but enouf can't make it work ;)
17:03<enouf>s/There's nothing wrong with FireFox or Flash/There's EVERYTHING wrong with FireFox or Flash/
17:04<manpoole>well im using epiphany but its pretty much the same
17:04<djc>Flash is fine for entertainment/videos but entire sites should never be done in flash
17:04<amphi>manpoole: it is if you use gecko
17:04<babilen>locklace: as i said. i just had a problem *once* (related to ffmpeg, can;t find the bug report right now) in over 5 years.
17:04<danger>s/enouf/enouf the noob /g
17:04<djc>flash forms suck, flash site navigation sucks.. anything more interactive than clicking 'play' is too much
17:04<amphi>manpoole: at least the iface is not written in XUL
17:04<djc>enouf, so what browser do you use?
17:05<manpoole>what flash plugins do you use?
17:05<amphi>danger: enouf is many things (and may be several more), but 'noob' is not one of them
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17:05<danger>ha ha
17:06<djc>ive got flashblock, and since it seems the least unstable, just official adobe player.. but with flashblock, flash doesnt run unless I specifically call for it
17:07<danger>IMO Flash was never the right way to deliver video online - no idea why youtube et al use it
17:07<manpoole>well i have another defualt flash isntalled in epiphany and it is sloww
17:07<djc>Im still curious what browser you use, enouf
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17:07<djc>danger, agreed
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17:07<djc>unfortunately, its caught on with the mainstream lusers
17:07<azeem>djc: you would have preferred WMV?
17:08<danger>ha ha
17:08<danger>no one would
17:08<djc>'plugins' in general are the wrong way to deliver anything
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17:08<manpoole>flash works fine on my other faster computer but flash was a bad idea
17:08<danger>defo djc
17:08<manpoole>it took a while for the quality to develop too
17:08<manpoole>(for youtube)
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17:08<djc>especcially where you use convoluted javascript to check to see what specific brands and versions of 'plugins' are installed and refuse to deliver media if it isnt your special DRM-enabled plugin
17:08<danger>I think sometimes standards are adopted because they look pretty rather than them being usable
17:09<djc>just use an A HREF and give the URI
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17:09<djc>*I'll* device what software to use to play/render/view the media
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17:09<manpoole>danger upper management making decisions instead of engineers
17:10<danger>too true manpoole
17:10<enouf>!+tell djc -about links2
17:10<dpkg>told djc about links2.
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17:10<djc>Or lazy incompetent engineers that use shrinkwrap crapware that runs on MS platforms
17:10<enouf>i was stuffing my face with leftover extremely hot/spicy and messy wings ;-)
17:11<manpoole>vista was awful i was extremely happy after changing to linux
17:11<manpoole>the compiz hooked me (not on this machine)
17:11<danger>Compiz is outstanding
17:11<djc>as in, *real* Buffalo wings? (As opposed to the many, many copycats)
17:11<enouf>amphi: yes .. you know me well enough to know there's always that 'several more' with me ;-)
17:12<djc>windows 3.1 was awful so I switched to linux and never looked back to MS
17:12<amphi>enouf: ;)
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17:12<danger>Really need to reconfig though as ctl-sift-arrow is not a nice combo lol
17:12<danger>& alt
17:12<enouf>djc: the best in the area - yes - better than ones from Buffalo NY
17:12<djc>I see. Just noting this as I grew up in Cheektowaga
17:13<danger>You have to understand at the time Windows 3.1 was excellent (hides from flaming)
17:13<djc>Less than a mile from the Buffalo line
17:13<enouf>djc: i like mine at 'nuclear meltdown' hot :-)
17:13<djc>I remember $5 large pepperoni pizza
17:13<danger>bremner it's like watching a kid, they like to point and play with stuff
17:13<djc>and thats when a large was really a large
17:14<danger>and that's why at the time Windows 3.1 worked for them
17:14<danger>it was **** but it appealed
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17:14<djc>It was easy for morons. It lulled people into thinking they didn't have to know anything to use the machine
17:14<eric_justin_allan>anyone know what files holds the init options?
17:14<danger>exactly djc
17:14<bremner>Wimp, fine. Bn
17:14<djc>what type of options are you looking for?
17:14<eric_justin_allan>debian rocks!
17:15<danger>yes it does
17:15<eric_justin_allan>well I want to change init 6 to shutdown instead of restart the computer
17:15<djc>no you dont
17:15<danger>eric you installing a gfx driver?
17:15<eric_justin_allan>and also I want to change init 3 to run in text mode with the network still active
17:15<danger>okay sry
17:15<eric_justin_allan>Im just trying to fix the init my unlce assumed i wanted
17:15<djc>if you want to have tty with no X just sjhutdown gdm
17:15<amphi>eric_justin_allan: why these redhattisms?
17:16<djc>and if you want ctrl-alt-delete to shutdown instead of reboot change the -r to -h in /etc/inittab for "ca" runlevel
17:16<eric_justin_allan>yea but I want to fix the init options to the default basically
17:16<manpoole>i might be asking too much but it seems synaptic runs slow on this machine are there any gui alternatives?
17:16<djc>eric_justin_allan, the defaults depend on the distribution
17:16<azeem>eric_justin_allan: the default is init 0 for shutdown
17:16<djc>there is no default default
17:16<eric_justin_allan>install kde its great!
17:17<danger>Actually how come debian doesn't have "kinit" (IIRC) that shutdown the run level to level X ?
17:17<amphi>eric_justin_allan: on debian, the default is for 2-5 to be the same
17:17<eric_justin_allan>and init 6 for restart
17:17<djc>and if you want ctrl-alt-delete to shutdown instead of reboot change the -r to -h in /etc/inittab for "ca" runlevel
17:17<eric_justin_allan>whats init 3?
17:17<djc>for anything else, if you want shutdown instead of reboot, call 'shutdown' instead of 'reboot' ;)
17:18<azeem>23:16 < amphi> eric_justin_allan: on debian, the default is for 2-5 to be the same
17:18<djc>no different than 2,4, or 5
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17:18<eric_justin_allan>shutdown just runs init 1 or 2 or something
17:18<djc>debian doesnt use runlevels to switch wether X is running
17:18<eric_justin_allan>oh ok
17:18<djc>yes, thats the point.. run shutdown, it knows the runlevel
17:18<djc>you dont need to manage them directly
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17:18<chahibi>I have problems installing B4315 broadcom driver on sid
17:19<chahibi>I used to use the official driver, which was compiling fine
17:19<eric_justin_allan>so 0 is shutdown 6 restarts whats 2 4 5 do? shutdown the network?
17:19<djc>if you want text login, no X, just do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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17:19<locklace>babilen: installed libdvdcss from debian-mm and things do appear to be working better now
17:19<azeem>eric_justin_allan: 23:17 < azeem> 23:16 < amphi> eric_justin_allan: on debian, the default is for 2-5 to be the same
17:19<chahibi>with 2.6.29 I could not compile it
17:19<djc>2, 3, 4, 5 are all the same
17:19<azeem>eric_justin_allan: please read the basic information
17:19<djc>you dont use runlevels to start and stop things
17:19<djc>if you want to shutdown the network
17:19<djc>/etc/rc.d/networking stop
17:19<danger>djc that is different in the distro's, how come?
17:20<djc>becuase that the way they did it
17:20<danger>the = the other
17:20<danger>ah okay
17:20<danger>just thought there might be a reason for it
17:20<eric_justin_allan>one more question how do I shutdown kdm?
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17:20<azeem>23:19 < djc> if you want to shutdown the network
17:20<azeem>23:19 < djc> /etc/rc.d/networking stop
17:20<azeem>eric_justin_allan: please try to figure it out from ther
17:20<amphi>/etc/init.d/kdm stop
17:21<eric_justin_allan>oh wow!
17:21<eric_justin_allan>thanks again sorry
17:21<djc>most things that you might want to start, restart, or stop have scripts to do that in /etc/init.d
17:21<danger>djc whilst your here, is there anyway to get 'top' to output to a file
17:21<azeem>djc: it's indeed init.d, not rc.d!
17:21<danger>without >
17:21<djc>top > filename ?
17:21<amphi>eric_justin_allan: perhaps install and read the debian reference
17:21<danger>I mean routinely
17:21<danger>to store the usage stats
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17:21<eric_justin_allan>ill try that
17:21<djc>make a script that runs top >> filename ? put it in /etc/cron.hourly ?
17:22<djc>im not sure what the point of that would be
17:22<danger>hmm okay
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17:22<danger>just want to point the average CPU % per core
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17:23<djc>hrm.. doing it that way will make it run forever
17:23<djc>cat /proc/loadavg
17:23<djc>'top -b -n 1' will cause top to output its display once then exit
17:24<djc>if you really need to monitor the cpu load, you might want to use something like mrtg
17:24<justaguy>When choosing to use synaptic, at the command line I sudo synaptic, while using the icon, and asked for root password I am denied?
17:25<djc>uhm.. what?
17:25<amphi>sudo doesn't ask for the root password, that's the whole point of it
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17:25<djc>the gnome launcher should use gksu
17:25<djc>which can prompt for password via X
17:26<justaguy>I am saying, that the passworddoes not change, riht? So why am I denied using the same root password when I use the icon tho open the program?
17:26<azeem>justaguy: sudo does *not* ask for the root password
17:26<djc>sudo asks for *your* password
17:26<justaguy>oh, geez, ok......
17:26<djc>and consults a file to determine if you are allowed to run the requested command
17:27<djc>the launcher is probably using gksu, which (like "su") wants the *root* password
17:27<justaguy>I am new to sudo, am accustommed to su
17:27<djc>gksu works like su
17:27<danger>has anyone used ndiswapper's gtk interface? can't get it t work here
17:28<djc>note that you dont have to use sudo, su is also available
17:28<deniz_>how do u use to put vector arrows on top of letters and numbers?
17:28<djc>assuming of course you do know the root pw ;)
17:28<justaguy>so is something wrong with gsku, thus being denied when using the icon?
17:28<danger>recommending su is a little naughty sjc
17:28<danger>djc rahter
17:28<djc>try 'su'. make sure the password you thnk you have for root is right
17:28<eric_justin_allan>ok I just opened a kdm partion manager that was packaged for debian and it said theres a media device unmounted and its asking if I want to mount it. The problem is Im afraid its gonna hurting my computer as Im telling you this
17:29<djc>danger, if hes accustomed to su, why?
17:29<eric_justin_allan>I just thought I should tell you that.
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17:29<djc>kde partition manager?
17:29<danger>su root should only be used a s a last resort
17:29<djc>kdm is the login manager
17:29<djc>danger, why?
17:29<eric_justin_allan>3 actually
17:29<justaguy>su does not work
17:29<djc>then you dont have the root password
17:30<danger>djc for LOTS of reasons anyway I'll butt out whilst you deal with this
17:30<eric_justin_allan>system Partition Editor
17:30<djc>the password youve been giving to sudo is yours, not roots
17:30<justaguy>yea, but I do have the password.......
17:30<djc>apparently not
17:30<eric_justin_allan>while it was reading the hardrive 3 other medias popped up
17:30<justaguy>they are the same
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17:31<djc>perhaps it was changed? not sure if this is your personal system or a company/work one you've been given access to
17:31<eric_justin_allan>oh wow haha
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17:31<danger>are you getting your a "your not in the sudo'ers" list error?
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17:32<justaguy>no, I am not
17:32<djc>well if you type a password to su, and it doesnt take it, then it isnt what you think it is
17:32<djc>danger, only sudo would give that message, not su
17:32<justaguy>I guess I need to change root password then
17:32<tcsetattr>su is not a "last resort". it is the standard ordinary "become another user" tool that should be used by normal admins to perform administrative functions. sudo is for special cases: delegating limited authority to sub-admins, or emulating a setuid script
17:32<tcsetattr>the Ubunuts are wrong.
17:32<manpoole>the adobe flash is working better than the swecdec open source flash but still not perfect :P
17:33<danger>tcsetattr "admins" is the key bit there
17:33<justaguy>I am admin, I am not really crazy about sudo, I have always used su
17:33<azeem>tcsetattr: the rest of the world, you mean
17:33<djc>you might want to log out and try logging in directly as root, to verify. if that also fails, you might try sudo bash, then use 'passwd' to change the root pass
17:33<djc>right. sudo is a tool that lets the owner/admin of a machine give limited access to other users
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17:33<azeem>or themselves
17:33<justaguy>upon install I elected not to be able to sigon as root, unless you are taking about the single user mode
17:34<djc>if the owner/admin is comfortable with 'su', theres no reason they cant use it
17:34<justaguy>thanks djc
17:34<djc>not to be able to sing on as root?
17:34<djc>wtf is that
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17:34<azeem>justaguy: are you running Ubuntu?
17:34<danger>djc su (perhaps it's a habit for me) is something I leave to last to try out
17:34<justaguy>sorry, no
17:35<djc>yeah I was about to ask, are you not using debian?
17:35<djc>I dont remember any such option
17:35<justaguy>come on
17:35<amphi>it's a witch!
17:35<justaguy>during the install, is there not a question asked about being ablr to have a root acct?
17:35<justaguy>signing on into a root/user
17:35<djc>theres no way a *nix system can _not* have a root login
17:36<djc>you are running debian?
17:36<danger>djc is right
17:36<justaguy>I mean a root account, desktop, etc
17:36<azeem>justaguy: it asks for the root passwrod
17:36<justaguy>I know that it does
17:36<djc>pretty much every *nix system prompts you to set the root password when you install it
17:36<djc>one possible exception is OSX
17:37<azeem>or Ubuntu
17:37<azeem>or probably Fedora these days, dnuno
17:37<djc>I know nothing of Ubuntu
17:37<danger>Every one does, or else it'll set it as "" / null IIRC
17:37<justaguy>maybe I am just confusing matters
17:37<djc>justaguy, you still havent said if you are running debian
17:37<justaguy>hold on...brb. Yes, I am running debian
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17:38<azeem>justaguy: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
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17:38<djc>in any case, to run synaptic (or other certain admin tools) directly from gnome/kde/etc using gksu, you'll need to know the actual root pass
17:39<justaguy>ii zlib1g 1: compression library - runtime
17:39<justaguy>djc, I know the root password
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17:39<djc>if su doesnt accept it, then what you are typing is *not* the root password
17:40<amphi>justaguy: what an eccentric response from the command azeem gave you
17:40<djc>I would hit ctrl-alt-F1 (to get a tty login prompt), try to login as 'root' with that password. if it doesnt work, the you do NOT know the root password
17:40<justaguy>amphi: excuse me?
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17:41<petern>he means why would 'dpkg -l libc6' output anything about zlib1g...
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17:41<amphi>justaguy: one would expect it to give some info about libc6...
17:41<djc>(alt-f7 to get back to your X/gui
17:41<justaguy>well, that was the result..........
17:42<djc>justaguy, perhaps you made a typo when entering the command
17:42<justaguy>I did have to change my passwd btw.....
17:42<justaguy>probably did, hold on....
17:42<djc>your non-root userlogin password, and the password for 'root' are not automatically the same
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17:43<djc>you can set them to be the same, but changing one will not change the other
17:43<justaguy>I understand that djc, I have always used the same password for both
17:43<djc>note that setting them the same defeats the purpose of a root password
17:43<djc>not very secure
17:43<danger>Isn't that dealt with during the graphical install in lenny
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17:43<justaguy>yep, single user system though........excuse
17:43<djc>still not a good idea
17:44<djc>are you able to successfully use su/gksu now?
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17:44<justaguy>justaguy@debian:~$ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
17:44<justaguy>ii libc6 2.9-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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17:45<justaguy>yep, thanks djc
17:45<justaguy>operator error
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17:45<justaguy>there you go amphi
17:45<amphi>justaguy: 2.9-7? what branch of debian is this?
17:45<petern>running sid? brave
17:46<danger>amphi must be etch
17:46<justaguy>are YOU running debian amphi? lol
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17:46<justaguy>lol dgc
17:46<amphi>danger: doubt it - 2.9-4 here on testing
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17:47<petern>etch is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9, heh
17:47<danger>2.7-10 is lenny I thnk
17:47<petern>2.7-18 is lenny
17:47<danger>patern not here it's not lol
17:47<petern>then you haven't updated, maybe?
17:48<amphi>2.9-7 is in sid, it seems
17:48<djc>thats interesting.. I installed links2 to have a look at it.. it clears the terminal, and sits there doing nothing
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17:48<djc>ok if I give it a URL it works
17:48<amphi>I could never get on with links - w3m is a nice console browser IMHO
17:48<djc>hrm.. google maps is less than useful
17:49<petern>odd that :)
17:49<danger>patern is an x64 vs i386 thing>?
17:49<djc>gmail is out
17:49<djc>enouf, you really use this as a primary browser?
17:49<valdyn>djc: gmail has a plain html mode that might work
17:50<petern>danger, no
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17:50<djc>valdyn, possibly I'm happy with iw, thanks.
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17:50<djc>I was just curious what the web looked like for enough
17:50<djc>enouf, that is
17:50<djc>er.. there should have been another comma in that
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17:51<djc>valdyn, possibly, I'm happy with iw, thanks.
17:51<v445>hi, i'm using squeeze and i have no sound, can you help me ?
17:51<locklace>amphi: thanks for the tip, i wasn't too happy with links either but hadn't tried w3m yet
17:51<djc>v445, certainly, wipe your system and use lenny
17:52<locklace>v445: do you have alsa stuff set up? sound drivers loaded and detected your card?
17:52<locklace>v445: check volume and mute settings with alsamixer
17:52<v445>card detected, and alsa installed
17:52<v445>mixer at 100% and no mute
17:53<locklace>v445: and try a simple command-line player like mpg123
17:53<djc>speakers plugged in?
17:53<azeem>djc: please don't tell users to "wipe their system"
17:53<locklace>or aplay i guess is even simpler
17:53<danger>lol djc I've dealt with a few with this
17:54<v445>this chan is only for lenny ?
17:54<danger>Just Debian only
17:54<djc>I give up
17:55<djc>on trying to understand why people who arent already experienced running linux instead of choosing the stable/release version, instead use a debugging version
17:55<v445>ok, thx, i search for mpgl123
17:55<locklace>v445: use aplay instead, you should already have it
17:55<locklace>v445: and try it with a .wav file
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17:56<djc>Like someone who's never flown any plane before, jumping into an experimental test aircraft to learn
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17:57<djc>"I can't start the engines. Can anyone help me?"
17:57<themill>djc: /msg dpkg sns syndrome
17:57<danger>djc clearly needs a hug -locklace hug him!
17:57<tcsetattr>sometimes they've never even ridden on a plane, or even visited the airport, before, and they want to go solo :)
17:57*locklace hugs dpkg
17:57<locklace>oops... missed
17:57<danger>ha ha ha
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17:57<danger>!beer djc
17:57*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for djc
17:58<locklace>!beer dpkg
17:58<justaguy>what is wrong with people wanting to run what they want, make their own mistakes, and learn from them?
17:58*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for dpkg
17:58<djc>themill, yeah, but even that says 'released'.. sqeeze isnt 'released'
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17:59<justaguy>How appropriate of a response about enabling sound was it to tell a person to reload?
17:59<djc>Well, one good lesson to learn is when going to driver's ed for the first time in highschool, you dont take a mack truck
17:59<djc>or a formula one car thats only half built
18:00<tcsetattr>we're now in a waiting stage for a description of the symptom as seen from mpg123 or aplay...
18:00<justaguy>why the hell not, if that is what you drive? lol
18:00<djc>you take a production car, and unless you are pretty damn smart, you try to use an automatic
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18:00<danger>a little harsh from you there djc lol
18:01<justaguy><----am playing the devil's advocate. People come here for help, not to be too judged in other words
18:01<djc>how is there a 'car you drive' if you are going to drivers ed for the first time?
18:02<amphi>!tell v445 -about alsa checklist
18:02<justaguy>hey djc, easy big guy, let's not be splitting hairs here
18:02<danger>If they get the wrong impression on the first lesson they might never try to drive again ;)
18:03<djc>All my point is, you don't learn to fly by jumping in the space shuttle..
18:03<justaguy>I agree, but people are going to do what the hell they want, whether it makes sense to you or anyone else, know what <i mean?
18:03*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
18:04<justaguy>sorry "themill"
18:04<djc>I think he was pointing on my account
18:04<justaguy>well, I was no better
18:04<justaguy>but thanks djc for your help
18:04<justaguy>and your patience
18:05*djc impatient and grumpy
18:05<justaguy>tell amphi running ubuntu in a debian irc channel is not cool
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18:06<amphi>justaguy: eh?
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18:08<deniz_>my tutor's microsoft office has a lot of math symbols and doesn't have nearly as many so i'm assuming I need an do I add on an add-on so that I can put vector arrows on my letters for a lab report?
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18:09<v445>locklace, playing a wav with aplay produce no result
18:09<locklace>deniz_: you should really be using TeX for math. :(
18:09<danger>deniz to be honest it's best to convince him of the merits of LATEX
18:09<djc>Good luck
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18:09<deniz_>locklace, sudo apt-get install tex?
18:09<locklace>deniz_: sure
18:10<themill>deniz_: use a nice latex editor to make your life easier (I use kile)
18:10<deniz_>locklace, it's not in lenny repositories though
18:10<locklace>deniz_: i think the actual package is called tetex-*
18:10<themill>locklace: texlive thesedays
18:10<amphi>deniz_: lyx is a gui iface for latex, FWIW
18:10<locklace>themill: ah hah
18:11<bremner>deniz_: You can see what symbols your font has using gucharmap
18:11<locklace>using ms products for math is like equipping a military with fisher-price
18:11<bremner>Sure, but deniz_ might have no choice
18:12<danger>djc stop pretending you know regex's
18:12<mtc>deniz_: I noticed you are cross posting your question on multiple channels
18:12<djc>Eg, professors that demand work be turned in in word format
18:12<djc>are insane and incompetent
18:12<mtc>deniz_: are you just trolling ? this is an open office issue
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18:13<locklace>v445: hm, that's not a good sign, check the sound drivers you have loaded (lsmod)
18:13<djc>danger, As it happens I've written some pretty incoherent regex's
18:13<themill>deniz_: in any case, in openoffice, you can insert a vector arrow above a character trivially. Just create a formula object.
18:13<danger>ha ha djc
18:13<djc>although I use that syntax with sed all the time
18:13<bremner>djc: So what, insane profs exist
18:14<amphi>perhaps he can be persuaded that pdf is acceptable
18:14<themill>djc: my department requires that all work is submitted in either .doc or .rtf format. There are no exceptions to that.
18:14<locklace>v445: was sound working before? if so did you go through a kernel upgrade just before it stopped working?
18:14<gnufan>deniz_: Whats tje problem with OpenOffice Maths - vectors are "vec a"
18:14<bremner>Insane departments even
18:14<danger>that harsh themill
18:14<djc>themill, my condolences
18:15<themill>danger: it is. But the proofing/annotation tools for m$office are significantly better than for PDFs, so it's a bit of a non-contest if you want to electronically mark and return work.
18:15<gnufan>Not that I typeset any maths these days.
18:16<danger>s/\djc\>.+?/nonesnse/; he he he only jesting my fellow debian friend
18:16<djc>gnufan, UK?
18:16<gnufan>djc: Yes? Why
18:16<deniz_>the-dude, how do i put a vector arrow on top of a character?
18:16<danger>I missed a bracket!
18:16<deniz_>themill, how do i put a vector arrow on top of a character?
18:16<djc>your dialect was showing :P
18:16<deniz_>the-dude, sry not u
18:17<mtc>strange class work would not be accepted as plain text so the editor or the the teacher could reformat as needed - not like the school work is getting printed, so why turn in paginated electronic documents
18:17<themill>deniz_: Insert -> Object -> formula. A little tool palette comes up. Select the vector arrow in that then type the character.
18:17<danger>ha ha syntax wars!
18:18<themill>mtc: try typesetting maths or chemical equations in plain text and you'll see why plain text doesn't hack it.
18:18<djc>technically it replaces turning in 'printed dcuments'.. PDF is certainly a better choice than msword
18:18<gnufan>djc: The time honoured reply is "I don't have an accent - you do" á
18:18<v445>it's a new install, but sound works on ubuntu
18:18<danger>X_{t} = X_{1},\ldots,X_{n}
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18:18<djc>In cyberspace no one knows if you have an accent (or are a dog :P)
18:18<danger>we all have skillz
18:18<mtc>themill: there are programs for handling those niche cases - the phrase "the right tool for the job" comes to mind
18:19<locklace>v445: lsmod looks ok, i have an intel hda too
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18:19<djc>danger, I wrote an sql query once that took up an entire printed page
18:19<deniz_>themill, where is the vector arrow though? there is very few math stuff in there and vector arrow is not one of them
18:19<themill>deniz_: what version of openoffice are you using?
18:19<locklace>v445: how are you testing playback physically, e.g. headphones, built-in speakers, ...?
18:19<djc>it merged results from 6 different queries into 2 different temporary tables
18:19<deniz_>themill, 2.4 (lenny repositories)
18:20<v445>locklace, built-in speaker
18:20<themill>deniz_: ahh... I'm using 3.0 from so I can't tell you exactly where it is. (But I know it does exist there somewhere in 2.4 too)
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18:21<gnufan>deniz_: "View">"Selection" second row - Lenny 2.4
18:21<locklace>v445: ok. well, i'm not sure what could be wrong then if playing with alsamixer doesn't get you anywhere... is this kernel version different than the kernel with your working ubuntu setup?
18:21<themill>mtc: "niche cases". I'm lecturer in chemistry. Nothing gets handed into me that isn't full of these things and that would be the case for many people who have to hand in work. The "it's only niche cases" crap is why OpenOffice has zero use in any technical subject still.
18:22<gnufan>deniz_: or type "vec a = vec b" in the bottom
18:22*djc has little use for 'Word Processors' at all
18:22<mtc>themill: so the whole academic system should use proprietary software because your students need a program to electronically hand-in chemical formulas? sounds crazy
18:22<danger> hm..... left the pizza in the oven. Is there a command like mv /*gf* kitch/* or do I have to move?
18:22<djc>danger, depends on wether you've installed bluetooth drivers on your gf
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18:23<danger>ha ha ha
18:23<djc>and uh, know the right passwords, of course
18:23<themill>mtc: I have a healthy dislike for .doc format and msword. It's also the best tool for the job at the moment, unless you're offering to come and teach all my undergrads latex as well as chemistry. And also to write a decent pdf annotation program.
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18:24<locklace>pdf is a pretty awful format to actually work with
18:24<v445>locklace, i'm on 2.6.26-2amd64 and i tried ubuntu 8.10
18:24<mtc>themill: I'll bid you one step further - I have a dislike for all word processing programs. Print is dead, yet everyone insists on using a program designed to place characters on pages for everything that is not HTML
18:24<djc>its not intended for editing, is the point
18:25<djc>its intended for 'final output'
18:25<djc>pdf, that is
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18:25<djc>print is dead?
18:25<themill>mtc: umm.... try rendering maths decently in html. And give me some decent html annotation tools instead, then.
18:25<locklace>v445: i think that ubuntu version is using a slightly newer kernel. all i can suggest is that you try installing the most recent kernel you can, there have been a lot of intel hda changes/fixes happening recently
18:26<v445>locklace, ubuntu 8.10 is using 2.6.27
18:26<deniz_>gnufan, vec <?> a gives a vector over a box and a next to it but not under the arrow
18:26<mtc>themill: you mis-understand me - what I am trying to say is there should not be just two choices for text communication: HTML and DOC
18:26<djc>ive yet to see a 'paperless' office that didnt actually have *more* paper than before.. its just a lot easier to carry around a printed paper page than an entire computer, even a laptop
18:26<locklace>v445: right. as a simple step, you could install the debian 2.6.29 kernel package from unstable, that will be quick
18:27<locklace>v445: if that doesn't work, next step might have to be building your own kernel
18:27<themill>mtc: write the tools for your format and then people will use it.
18:27*djc doesnt consider "DOC" a choice at all, and would add 'plain ascii text' as a choice
18:27<mtc>themill: my formats are just fine, thank you, and I have no office suite installed at all
18:28<gnufan>deniz_: thats why you want "vec a" not "vec <a>"
18:28<deniz_>gnufan, :D thanks!!
18:28<v445>locklace, try with ubuntu 8.04 (using kernel 2.6.24) can be an other solution ?
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18:28<deniz_>thx to others 2
18:29<v445>locklace, not a solution, but a way to check about kernel version
18:29<themill>mtc: so you've demonstrated that *you* have no use for richer rendering of text. That's nice for you. Now please stop telling me and everyone else that we also have no such requirements.
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18:30<mtc>themill: trying to illustrate that you can find adequate applications for your text communication outside of office suites
18:30<locklace>v445: i'd try the .29 kernel package from sid first:
18:31<themill>mtc: we're talking about things more than text here. That's precisely the point.
18:31<locklace>v445: but yeah, if .29 doesn't work then that could be a next step to try to narrow it down
18:31<mtc>themill: the moaning about openoffice limitations seems to come directly from the expectation that a word processor should be the end-all for text communications
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18:33<mtc>anyway, I chatted offtopic too long, and I will go put myself in the corner now :)
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18:36<v445>locklace, i reboot
18:37<locklace>good luck
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18:40<locklace>audacious is nice, but i wish it were stable.
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18:42<manpoole>I was wondering if anyone could recommend a lightweight browser alternative to epiphany
18:42<djc>themill, fwiw, ive come across an app in debian repo called 'easychem' which might interest you
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18:43<manpoole>and i am really liking this lxde it is ultra fast
18:44<themill>djc: looks interesting. There are quite a few 2D chem drawing programs in the repo... will have a look at this one next time I'm playing. Thanks.
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18:46<v445>locklace, it's works ! thanks
18:46<locklace>v445: excellent!
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18:58<kristianpaul>the dpkg bot have source code ?
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18:59<dpkg>Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See for more. NOTE: <Blootbot> (fork of infobot) has now replaced infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old.
19:00<dondelelcaro>kristianpaul: see above; the code it's actually running is in a branch of that
19:00<kristianpaul>dondelelcaro, gracias
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19:11<Morpheu>Boa noite!
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19:12<kristianpaul>Morpheu, buenas noches !
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19:30<tczern>hello, in repositories, can I have etch and lenny at the COMBINED or is this EITHER OR?
19:31<Steven_M>hi all
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19:35<Steven_M>Were all these upgrades sucsessfull?: I've never had to upgrade 30 packages at one before and it was a little overwelming.
19:36<themill>Steven_M: all looks good
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19:40<djc>if there had been a problem it would have displayed an error that would have been hard not to notice
19:40<djc>tczern, you dont want them both there. you want the one that matches the release that you installed.
19:41<djc>if you installed etch and want to upgrade to lenny
19:41<djc>!tell tczern about etch->lenny
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19:42<Steven_M>themill: thanks :) Please note that not all the "Setting up <packagename>" lines are at the end of the output. Some are near the begining.
19:42<djc>thats becuase some of the later packages required those to be setup before they were installed
19:43<Steven_M>djc: ok
19:43<djc>if you read it closely enough to notice that, I'd think you've have noticed if there had been any errors shown
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19:43<djc>as long as everything is working (especially the packages that got updated) then everything is probably fine
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19:45<Steven_M>djc: if there were errors, would they be shown in event sequence or the end of the output?
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20:11<Steven_M>djc: are you still there?
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21:02<Morpheu>Boa noite pessoal!
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21:37<enouf>djc: ofcourse - 'links2 -g' in X or console
21:37<enouf>!links2 settings
21:37<dpkg>i guess links2 settings is You can allocate more RAM + resources to links2, see File > Resource Info (and Memory Info) -- and then Settings > Cache (to set sizes). Then remember to do Settings > Save Options (once you like them) config file is in ~/.links2/links.cfg. Press [ESC] Help > keys to see some key bindings, and and for more - use [ESC] to toggle menu bar (or just click that area)
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21:41<kai>hallo some one here
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21:42<Guest2238>have a power pc and cand get X working
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21:43<Guest2238>need realy some help whith xorg
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21:44<Guest2238>please need some help for xorg
21:45<Malle>hello, all my users in /home/ have disapered, and when i boot i get some message about entering mainentance mode... what could be wrong :o?
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21:48<abrotman>Malle: please don't do that
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21:48<abrotman>Guest2238: did you check the X log for errors?
21:48<Malle>abrotman ?
21:48<abrotman>Malle: ask on more than one network
21:48<Malle>i c
21:49<Malle>ill go to fnode
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21:58<desja004>how can i specify xfce4 to install off the xfce4/lxde cd for debian 5?
21:59<abrotman>isn't there a desktop task that does it?
21:59<desja004>i am not ... will tasksel present both lxde and xfce if i'm installing off that disc?
22:00<desja004>err ... i am not sure
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22:00<abrotman>if not .. use aptitude
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22:01<desja004>ok i'll install it afterwards if it isn't specifically available in tasksel ... thanks
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22:01<Guest2238>yes i chect but nothing the screan is black
22:01<chealer>desja004: did you try just following the defaults?
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22:01<Guest2238>no errors
22:01<nas>anyone knows a load test tool for mail servers? wherein i can test to send N number of mails in P period of time?
22:02<nas>coz i am trying to test my mail server
22:02<desja004>chealer, i haven't tried it yet ... i was just asking b/c i noticed it's a xfce4/lxde cd and i wasn't sure if i had to specify the option at boot time
22:03<Guest2238>is ther a way to get a basic vesa xorg runing
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22:04<abrotman>nas: postal
22:04<bremner>nas: give acounts to spammers?
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22:05<nas>bremner: want a safe test man
22:05<bremner>nas: postal is better then :-)
22:05<nas>postal any other keyword?
22:06<nas>kinda difficult to search in google
22:06<nas>with this keyword alone
22:06<abrotman>!info postal lenny
22:06<bremner>the package is called postal in debian
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22:06<bremner>nas: you are running debian, right? :-)
22:06<dpkg>postal: (SMTP benchmark - the mad postman.), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.70 (lenny), Packaged size: 77 kB, Installed size: 180 kB
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22:07<nas>would be nicer if there could be a graphical based tool
22:07<nas>wherein for example, can specify to send 50 emails per second
22:08<nas>then cna increase from there
22:08<nas>then can increase*
22:08<abrotman>did you read the docs for postal? i dont think it's graphical, but i believe you can specify the number of emails
22:08<nas>until the threshold is reached
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22:17<nas>ok thanks, will check
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22:18<manpoole>is fvwm crystal faster than lxde?
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22:22<pupuser>anyone know of a help chan for qt related issues?
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22:26<gsimmons>pupuser: Try #qt on freenode.
22:26<pupuser>cool. thx
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23:06<bignose>in Debian GNOME, how do I set the applications associated with a Content-Type?
23:06<bignose>for some reason OpenOffice Writer has become the primary application associated with 'text/plain'
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23:13<johns>bignose: /etc/mime.types maybe?
23:14<johns>no, I guess not
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23:15<enouf> /etc/mail* ? .. updatedb ; locate magicmime
23:15<enouf>gnome likely has it's own shit
23:15<johns>ah right, mailcap
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23:15<johns>mailcap.order and update-mime
23:15<enouf>gnome-control-panel -- registry - heh
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23:18<enouf>try gconf-editor too
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23:22<nas>guys if an SMTP server is using authentication, is it possible to track down which user caused the spamming if the "FROM clause" has been forged?
23:23<nas>that means some unauthorized user got access to the login account of one of the SMTP mail users
23:24<enouf>user? you mean a user from your computers you are admining?
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23:24<enouf>how do you know it was generated from one of your 'users'?
23:24<nas>and thus was able to use the SMTP server to go spamming
23:24<enouf>spam who?
23:25<nas>the SMTP server can only be used if you are authenticated
23:25<nas>so that means he was able to get the login info of one of the users
23:26<nas>maybe 2 or more login info, i'm not sure
23:26<enouf>'he' could be anybody
23:26<enouf>not even a legitmate user
23:26<nas>so is there a way to find out which legit account he is using
23:26<nas>NOT a legitimate user using a legitimate accnt
23:27<enouf>nas: try #debian on in the EST morning when jelly* et al are about
23:27<enouf>nas: that could mean you've been rooted even
23:27<nas>is there a way to find out which legit accnt he is using?
23:27<nas>i can only see source IP from the log
23:28<nas>if i can determine the legit account i can asked the user to change the password
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23:28<enouf>i loathe email, know nothing about it - and i even suck at networking - sorry
23:29<enouf>try maybe even ##linux or ##networking on freenode as well
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23:29<enouf>and / or email debiam-user mailing list
23:29<enouf>er and / or email debian-user mailing list
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23:32<eric_justin_allan>is it safe to edit files in etc?
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23:37<blast_hardcheese>eric_justin_allan: Depends on if you know what you're doing and have self control enough to not change stuff that you don't fully understand
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