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00:16<dpkg>pegas: VATTENE VIA
00:18<streuner_>!factinfo list
00:18<dpkg>list -- created by za <~za@> at Wed Aug 14 22:34:06 2002 (2447 days); last modified at Wed Mar 25 18:10:36 2009 by stew!i=1413@freenode/staff/stew; it has been requested 929 times, last by pegas, 1m 49s ago.
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00:27<zhxk>can any body help me?
00:29<zhxk>i can't switch to boot a real machine in debian that installed in a phisicaly partion in a virtual machine.
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00:32<bignose>johns: thanks, I wasn't aware of '/etc/mime.order' and 'update-mime', shall see if they have the right effect.
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01:03<jlj>hi, my celeron has "enhanced halt state" but not speedstep. Is there any way to enable cpu trottling in Linux with this? /proc/cpuinfo keeps showing the cpu at full speed
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01:20<chealer>jlj: the OS doesn't matter in this case. the CPU needs to support dynamic frequency scaling
01:23<zhxk>well, a outlying question, do you use cracked Ms Windows?
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01:31<jlj>chealer: ok.. but shouldn't any changes show up in cpuinfo?
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01:33<chealer>jlj: what changes?
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01:34<jlj>chealer: changes to the cpu frequency. Ie it going from 2ghz when active to 1.2ghz during idle
01:35<chealer>jlj: no (the CPU needs to support dynamic frequence scaling)
01:38<jlj>chealer: So you mean it shouldn't be possible for the cpu to change its frequency on the fly without DFC?
01:38<jlj> DFS
01:41<chealer>jlj: yes
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01:42<jlj>chealer: Well I got the idea from wikipedia (yeah not the most reliable source). It says "As is traditional with Celerons, it does not have Intel VT-x instruction support or SpeedStep (although Enhanced Halt State is enabled, allowing the Celerons to lower the multiplier to 6x and decrease core voltage while idle)."
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01:44<omgtrash>anyone help me vnc into my box? all i get is a goldish screen with an x. running gnome
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01:44<dpkg>somebody said vnc was Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at, or, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>.
01:49<omgtrash>how do i ask it about vnc setup?
01:50<omgtrash>!vnc setup
01:50<dpkg>well, vnc setup is Install x11vnc on the remote host and a vnc viewer on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 <remotehost>; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! vnc securely tunneled over ssh!
01:50<blarson>omgtrash: /msg dpkg vnc setup
01:50<blarson>!tell omgtrash about selftell
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01:51<Vinr>zhxk: what's the point of "cracking" windows? so that automatic updates work for an unlicensed copy? at home we have an unlicensed xp installation (from a torrent), and before booting it we unplug the ethernet -- with prejudice!
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01:56<omgtrash>the thing is, i can vnc into my box fine. it's just that i can't get a gui
01:58<omgtrash>how can i get gnome to load?
01:58<omgtrash>i've already started the gdm process
01:58<k1lumin4t1>has anybody installed linux on an apple ibook G4 with powerpc G4 processor?
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02:07<simonrvn>k1lumin4t1: some people have, yes.
02:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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02:21<chealer>jlj: I can't find a good description of Enhanced Halt State. I don't know if it really changes frequency. but if it does, that won't be reflected in /proc/cpuinfo
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02:31<nas>which causes duplicate mails
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02:35<beer>When I am trying to upgrade to Sid from lenny (via apt-get dist-upgrade) apt tells me it would remove some package ( ) include kdm vidia-glx okular rosegarden konqueror konq-plugins. I think soomething is wrong about it
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02:52<stevecotton>beer: sounds like fallout from the KDE3 -> KDE4 transition (which is still in progress, but most of those should still be installable). Might just be that apt-get is having trouble resolving all the conflicts; you could try aptitude and see if that resolver does better.
02:53<stevecotton>beer: the lesser-known ones in your paste might not have new versions
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02:58<melkart>the package xfwm4-themes in lenny is broken
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02:58<melkart>it depends on xfwm 4.6.0, when i want to update it it results in a conflict
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03:00<EmleyMoor>What is the correct way to change the hostname of a Debian system?
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03:00<gsimmons>!tell EmleyMoor -about hostname
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03:05<Steven_M>hi all
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03:09<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: I am about to try t
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03:12<omgtrash>is x11forwarding always slow, or is there something wrong with mine?
03:12<omgtrash>it's unbearable.
03:13<EmleyMoor>omgtrash: I find in bearable though often slightly slower than local
03:13<EmleyMoor>Using compression?
03:13<Steven_M>based on this security advisary: Is it safe to use my debian box on the net in as long as I don't install anything untill apt is upgraded?
03:13<omgtrash>not sure, how can i check?
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03:14<EmleyMoor>omgtrash: Do you have a .ssh/config entry for the host you are connecting to?
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03:14<omgtrash>yeah i don't recall seeing anything about compression regarding x11
03:15<EmleyMoor>gsimmons: Still the old hostname S[(
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03:16<EmleyMoor>omgtrash| Compression applies to the whole ssh connection including anything it forwards. Try both wayo - Compression yes and Compression no
03:16<mrw>omgtrash: what kind of network is this connection over?
03:16<mrw>omgtrash: local?
03:16<omgtrash>no, it's a dedi
03:17<omgtrash>although it is currently being raped by torrentflux, there should be plenty of leftover bandwidth available
03:17<mrw>omgtrash: try what EmleyMoor suggested, but i've always found that anything outside of my LAN results in terrible x11 forwarding
03:17<omgtrash>x11forwarding seems to be my only option as i can't get vnc to show me a gui of any sort
03:17<mrw>omgtrash: what do you mean? it hangs after connecting?
03:18<omgtrash>no, it connects just fine. but all i see is a blank screen and an x as a cursor
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03:18<omgtrash>the screen is kind of a goldish colour
03:18<EmleyMoor>omgtrash: You have no window manager running on it then...
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03:19<omgtrash>how would i go about adding one?
03:19<mrw>omgtrash: echo 'exec fvwm &' > ~/.xinitrc
03:19<mrw>or whatever wm you'd like
03:20<mrw>omgtrash: do you use GNOME/KDE/xfce/some session manager?
03:20<omgtrash>gnome as far as i know..
03:20<omgtrash>that command didn't do anything, even when i replaced fvwm with gdm
03:21<zhxk>gnome is good
03:21<mrw>omgtrash: gdm wouldn't be the thing to do. gnome-session would be better
03:21<mrw>don't forget the &
03:21<omgtrash>gnome-session by itself?
03:22<mrw>omgtrash: a path is best, but as i don't run gnome i can't give you that
03:22<mrw>omgtrash: 'which gnome-session' will, though
03:23<omgtrash> The application 'gnome-session' lost its connection to the display localhost:10.0;
03:23<omgtrash>most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed
03:23<omgtrash>the application.
03:24<mrw>omgtrash: well, just put "xeyes &" in .xinitrc
03:24<mrw>omgtrash: on the remote machine, ie the one running vncserver
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03:25<omgtrash>so echo 'xeyes &' > ~/.xinitrc ?
03:25<mrw>omgtrash: if xeyes doesn't open then no window manager will..
03:25<mrw>omgtrash: yep, on the remote machine
03:25<mrw>once again providing a full path is preferable
03:25<omgtrash>what do you mean providing a full path?
03:26<mrw>i mean `which xeyes`
03:26<mrw>/usr/bin/xeyes vs xeys
03:26<mrw>/usr/bin/xeyes vs xeyes
03:27<mrw>you are connecting to vnc using ssh forwarding, right?
03:27<omgtrash>i don't think so
03:27<mrw>or vpn or some other secure connection
03:27<mrw>well, i would look into that as vnc is plain text
03:27<stevecotton>IIRC, the last command in .xinitrc must not have a "&" on the end. Otherwise the session ends immediately, and you get a "most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed" error...
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03:30<mrw>stevecotton: i think it technically depends if the command goes into the background/exits or not. if it does either of those things the server will die; if it remains running & in the foreground the server should run it
03:31<mrw>stevecotton: i think, but one should still use &
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03:32<mrw>huh, xinit's man page says it shouldn't
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03:34<omgtrash> ~/.xsession is the same thing as initrc, right?
03:35<mrw>omgtrash: i guess for our purposes, yse
03:36<omgtrash>i keep on getting the same error
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03:38<mrw>omgtrash: rm ~/.Xauthority on the remote machine, restart vncserver
03:39<mrw>and again find some way to encrypt it
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03:43<omgtrash>i'm trying to run it through ssh tunnel now, but it just hangs when it asks me for the password
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03:44<mrw>omgtrash: ok, what command do you use for the tunnel & what command did you use to connect to the server
03:44<omgtrash>i don't know why i always run into problems
03:45<omgtrash>on my side it's ssh -f -N -L 5901:localhost:5901
03:45<omgtrash>it asks me for my root password
03:45<omgtrash>i enter it
03:46<omgtrash>and it hangs
03:46<mrw>you're connecting as root?
03:46<omgtrash>yeah, bad idea?
03:46<mrw>well, i mean, i don't think it's good policy to allow root logins over ssh
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03:46<mrw>i wouldn't run vncserver as root
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03:47<mrw>or do anything in X as root
03:47<ga_bash>which program i can use to view chm files in gnome...
03:48<omgtrash>tbh, at this point i don't even care i just need it for one procedure and i probably won't use vnc ever again
03:48<buffoon_work_>omgtrash, you can use tunnels/vnc and so on as a normal user.
03:49<mrw>omgtrash: try loosing -f
03:52<omgtrash>when i press enter it just moves down a line
03:52<omgtrash>should i even be doing this in the windows cmd?
03:52<mrw>you mean, like cmd.exe
03:52<mrw>well, are you using something like cygwin?
03:53<omgtrash>nah but i do have that
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03:53<buffoon_work_>omgtrash, I'd use putty or plink (for cmd.exe or batch files) on windows
03:53<mrw>good advice
03:53<mrw>-N is also a problem
03:54<mrw>as it tells ssh not to execute any commands
03:54<mrw>e.g., a shell
03:54<mrw>so if you want a command prompt, drop that
03:54<mrw>but seriously, get putty
03:54<mrw>there are lots of howtos on how to set that up for vnc forwarding
03:54<omgtrash>i've been using putty to send commands to my box
03:54<omgtrash>but not locally
03:56<omgtrash>ok finally i have vnc setup through ssh
03:57<omgtrash>fuck getting this error Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: i forgot what i did to fix that
03:57<mrw>echo $DISPLAY
03:57<omgtrash>sent a blank line
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03:58<mrw>ls ~/.Xauthority
03:58<mrw>ps aux | grep vncserver, don't flood
03:59<omgtrash>root 16597 0.0 0.0 2732 556 pts/1 S+ 09:58 0:00 grep vncserver
03:59<Supaplex>ps ww -C vncserver :)
03:59<Supaplex>uhhh no, self doesn't count.
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04:01<mrw>yeah, there's your problem
04:01<mrw>got to run vncserver
04:02<omgtrash>it's running..
04:02<mrw>Supaplex: your ps was much classier
04:02<omgtrash>:1, i'm connected to it right now
04:02<Supaplex>then it's a different name perhaps?
04:02<zhxk>i don't know how linux encrypt its accounts (eg.root) password and where to store the information encrypted.
04:02<Supaplex>mrw: why thanks. =)
04:03<Supaplex>zhxk: /etc/passwd* /etc/group* /etc/shadow*
04:03<mrw>zhxk: /etc/shadow holds the passwords
04:03<mrw>it's not 1994, after all
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04:03<Supaplex>mrw: sudo sed -i s/:x:/::/ /etc/passwd
04:04<Supaplex>heh :P that would be bad.
04:04<mrw>i don't really use my computer anyway
04:04<Supaplex>that's okay. I'm sure some miscreant would love to borrow it without asking. ;)
04:04<mrw>omgtrash: so your vnc client appears to be connected right now?
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04:04<omgtrash>that command fucked up everything!!!
04:05<mrw>oh noo
04:05<mrw>you didn't type the sed line, did you?
04:05<mrw>oh man
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04:05<abeeky>what's worry with "only root can umount "
04:05<Supaplex>sudo sed -i s/::/:x:/ /etc/passwd
04:05<Supaplex>that'll fix it back.
04:05<mrw>he's already root
04:05<omgtrash>i was just kidding, i didn't enter it
04:06<omgtrash>anyway, yes i'm connected
04:06<mrw>omgtrash: what vnc client are you using?
04:06<Supaplex>you funny funny kid.
04:06<mrw>ok, i think tightvnc shows that black screen while it's waiting for something to happen
04:06<omgtrash>it's not black, it's goldish
04:06<omgtrash>with dots and shit
04:06<omgtrash>and my cursor is an x
04:07<mrw>what server did you give tightvnc?
04:08<mrw>ok, well, ps aux | grep vnc
04:08<mrw>i am afraid -C is too high falutin for this
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04:09<omgtrash>a shit load of shit appeared
04:09<mrw>pastebin it
04:09<mrw>i have a sinking suspicious you have like 10 vncservers running
04:10<Supaplex>I say 12
04:10<Supaplex>HAH ;)
04:10<omgtrash>i think 2
04:10<mrw>just 2, you're right
04:11<mrw>close tightvnc
04:11<mrw>on the client
04:11<Supaplex>mrw: you were counting in binary. ahh darn. ;(
04:11<mrw>the one true base
04:13<mrw>omgtrash: vncserver -kill :20
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04:13<mrw>get that out of the way
04:13<Supaplex>simonrvn_: wb
04:14<simonrvn_>thanks. wow, first time in a while.
04:14<mrw>omgtrash: vncserver -kill :1 && rm ~/.Xauthority && vncserver :1
04:14<mrw>we having a party
04:14<mrw>a fail party so far
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04:14<omgtrash>ok done
04:14<omgtrash>started new server
04:15<mrw>in .xinitrc, yes
04:15<mrw>i think it is more correct to omit the &
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04:16<omgtrash>so echo 'gnome-session' > ~/.initrc ?
04:17<mrw>do the same in .xsession
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04:17<simonrvn_>if you do "gnome-session &" in .xsession/.xinitrc it'll exit immediately.
04:17<simonrvn_>might as well symlink them ;)
04:17<mrw>heh, an excellent point
04:17<omgtrash>done, without &
04:17<mrw>but at this point i'm flailing so the less damage the better
04:18<omgtrash>gnome-session tiem?
04:18<mrw>simonrvn: i read about the lack of & in the man page for xinit
04:18<mrw>i always trust the man
04:18<Supaplex>exec openbox ftw :)
04:18<mrw>omgtrash: in .xsession, yes. then reconnect
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04:19<omgtrash>same screen
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04:20<zhxk>thank you mrw
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04:21<mrw>omgtrash: ok, well, let's do something crazy
04:21<mrw>let's look at the logs
04:22<mrw>see something in ~/.vnc ?
04:22<mrw>like $hostname:1.log ?
04:23<omgtrash>nothing in the log
04:24<mrw>0 lines?
04:24<omgtrash>oh nevermind it wasn't capitalized
04:24<mrw>pastebin it
04:24<omgtrash>sh: /root/.vnc/xstartup: /bin/shxrdb: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
04:25<omgtrash>there are a bunch of errors about font
04:25<mrw>omgtrash: pastebin or #flood it
04:25<omgtrash>invite only
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04:26<omgtrash>#flood is invite only
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04:26<mrw>haha oh man
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04:26<mrw>man oh man
04:27<mrw>mv ~/.vnc/xstartup ~/.vnc/xstartup.bak
04:27<mrw>echo 'gnome-session' > ~/.vnc/xstartup
04:27<mrw>restart the vnc server, try THAT
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04:28<zhxk>this channel surpports chinese, why not use chinese to communicate to eacho other?
04:28<omgtrash>reconnect using tight?
04:29<mrw>لاننا لا نتكلم بالصنية
04:29<mrw>reconnect w/vnc
04:29<omgtrash>k same screen
04:29<zhxk>what's it mrw?
04:30<mrw>omgtrash: hm
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04:30<mrw>check your log
04:30<zhxk>can you read my chinese text?
04:31<omgtrash>zhxk: comes up as gibberish
04:31<mrw>naw, don't have the right character sets installed
04:31<omgtrash>sh: /root/.vnc/xstartup: Permission denied
04:31<mrw>omgtrash: well, chmod it right
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04:31<zhxk>this is chinese greeting worlds
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04:31<omgtrash>i'm a fuckin noob man, i need pre made commands
04:32<mrw>ls -l ~/.vnc/xstartup
04:32<omgtrash>ty ty
04:32<mrw>ok, so what's the output
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04:33<zhxk>ÄãºÃ£¡is not gibberish words it's greeting words, means helo?how are you?
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04:34<omgtrash>same screen
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04:34<zhxk>what screen?
04:34<mrw>omgtrash: what's the output of ls -l ~/.vnc/xstartup
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04:37<omgtrash>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14 Apr 27 10:27 /root/.vnc/xstartup
04:37<omgtrash>zhxk: a blank screen in vnc with an x as a cursor
04:38<mrw>well that shouldn't be a problem then
04:38<mrw>omgtrash: chmod +w ~/.vnc/xstartup
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04:39<mrw>kill vncserver, start it, etc
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04:40<omgtrash>permission denied still
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04:41<omgtrash>maybe something is using it?
04:41<mrw>vncserver -kill :1
04:41<mrw>ps aux | grep vnc shows nothing except the grep
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04:41<locklace>omgtrash: chmod 755 ~/.vnc/xstartup and try again
04:42<omgtrash>holy shit
04:42<omgtrash>i love you
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04:42<mrw>well that is good
04:43<mrw>it needs to be executable?!
04:43<omgtrash>thank you for all your help mrw
04:43<mrw>hey no problem man
04:43<mrw>i can't believe that shit got to be executable
04:43<omgtrash>and thank you for that command locklace
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04:44<locklace>most shell scripts are exec'd, not sourced or passed explicitly to a shell interpreter
04:46<mrw>good point; but realvncserver doesn't require xstartup to be +x any more than ~/.xinitrc
04:46<mrw>i guess tightvnc does
04:46<mrw>good call
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04:49<omgtrash>ight well it's 5am here im fucking dead
04:49<omgtrash>going to bed, until next time
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05:05<zhxk>can anybody tell how to set $BUILD for an arm platform?
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05:13<zhxk>anybody help me how to set $BUILD for arm7 at :
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05:18<mjt>i dropped the keyboard and hit some keys while catching it... sorry about that :)
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05:23<bremner>blame the cat
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05:24<flexy>if I do a ulimit -c unlimited and run a program which then segfaults, where do I look for the coredump file?
05:24<locklace>flexy: in the cwd for the process
05:26<flexy>locklace: I'm running the process in a script, which runs from autologin tty, .xinitrc containing couple of scripts etc... what might be the cwd in such case?
05:26<flexy>~/ perhaps?
05:27<tcsetattr>if you can catch it before it crashes, ls -l /proc/PID/cwd
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05:27<flexy>tcsetattr: ok, that will help. And I can, it's not very frequent crash. thanks
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05:58<EmleyMoor>What is the right way to change the hostname on a Debian box?
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05:58<EmleyMoor>(the factoid seems ineffective)
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06:00<mosno>EmleyMoor: probably edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, then run `hostname' command (see the manpage), then restart any dodgy services
06:00<mosno>EmleyMoor: no idea if there's a better way
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06:01<EmleyMoor>mosno: That order? Hmmm... will try it
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06:09<tuxmea>EmleyMoor: do not forget /etc/mailname if the system is sending emails.
06:09<mosno>EmleyMoor: yea
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06:10<mosno>tuxmea: you'd think there'd be a debconf frontend..
06:10<mosno>or some update-* command
06:12<tuxmea>mosno: i am not aware of any debconf frontend. maybe there is one since hostname is set via debconf during initial installation.
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06:13<mosno>tuxmea: d-i != debconf (?)
06:13<EmleyMoor>tuxmea: It isn't
06:13<mosno>tuxmea: also, /etc/hostname isn't owned by a package... i'm not sure if debconf operates outside of packages
06:13<EmleyMoor>Anyway, I can't get at it from here due to keyboard trouble
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06:19<Wylie_08>anybody you know how to access a file with a corrupted file size?
06:20<Wylie_08>been getting some odd file sizes where commas and brackets have got into the size. e.g ''(+)'','+K
06:21<EmleyMoor>Wylie_08: Had something strange like that happen to me. Only way I could fix it was copy all other stuff off and remake the filesystem on the affected partition - fsck was no help to me. If the files seem inaccessible that may be your only way
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06:22<stuckey>Anyone know where I can find a list of postscript printers?
06:22<arrrrghhhhh>you could try reallylow-level filsystem programs
06:23<Wylie_08>its odd as its 5 files on a 750GB file system
06:23<EmleyMoor>stuckey: Specifically looking for Postscript printers?
06:23<stuckey>EmleyMoor: Yes... in particular, one that's able to scan as well as print.
06:23<Wylie_08>arrrrghhhhh: any suggestions?
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06:24<arrrrghhhhh>debugfs and looking directly at inodes....
06:24<EmleyMoor>stuckey: Don't know of any - though they could exist. On the other hand I think there are scanner/printers both parts of which will work with Linux
06:24<arrrrghhhhh>but never done myself, ony read an articlerecently
06:25<stuckey>EmleyMoor: someone maintains a list... I'm trying to find it.
06:25<arrrrghhhhh>may or may not help
06:25<Wylie_08>arrrrghhhhh: got link to article?
06:25<arrrrghhhhh>was in a magazine
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06:26<EmleyMoor>stuckey: Do you need the printer to be Postscript or just suitable for Linux? (using a filter)
06:27<stuckey>EmleyMoor: I'd really like to have one that accepts postscript.
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06:27<EmleyMoor>I't reallfy like to have a million Euros and a house in Ireland but BCBC.
06:28<digitaloktay>i want to compile a kernel. which option can i use?
06:28<bremner>stuckey: if the latter, try
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06:29<EmleyMoor>digitaloktay: Why do you want to compile a kernel?
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06:30<digitaloktay>i want to activate ext4 for test
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06:30<bremner>digitaloktay: can't you just use a module?
06:31<EmleyMoor>stuckey: Some Brother MFCs support PostScript
06:31<themill>judd kconfig EXT4 --release sid
06:31<judd>themill: Searching for 'EXT4' in sid kernel config gives EXT4_FS=m EXT4DEV_COMPAT=y EXT4_FS_XATTR=y EXT4_FS_POSIX_ACL=y EXT4_FS_SECURITY=y.
06:32<EmleyMoor>stuckey: As do some HP Color LaserJet MFPs
06:33<stuckey>EmleyMoor: There was an older one I found through this list which was perfect
06:34<stuckey>but I can't find the damn list anymore
06:34<stuckey>Somewhere there's a list of all of them
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06:34<EmleyMoor>stuckey: has most of what you need about printing
06:35<digitaloktay>ive decompress it in /usr/src and then made a symlink with ln -s linux-2.6.x.x. linux, then make menuconfig and active ext4, now make-kpkg --initrd --revision 0.1 kernel_image, but how can i use the fully cpu power?
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06:36<zhxk>well, folks, what's the meaning of "uhhh"?
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06:37<backtrack23>anybody able to help about routingtables?
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06:43<Wylie_08>anybody know a way to delete a file based on it inode number
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06:45<sep>Wylie_08, find -inum [number] ?
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06:46<sep>then -exec or use xargs ? or whatever
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06:47<sep>Wylie_08, perhaps -xdev is useful
06:47<sep>you must somehow know what filesystem you are working on
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06:47<Wylie_08>i do running from directory file is located in
06:48<Wylie_08>got inode from ls -ioh
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06:48<BoNeCa_de_PaNo>server irc.planetairc,net
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06:51<bremner>digitaloktay: it sounds like you just need to use modprobe to load the ext4 module, at least in unstable
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06:55<mycae>Hi, after doing an aptitude upgrade, hal wont post-install (action restart failed). Should I force aptitude to install with -f?
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07:00<digitaloktay>bremner, i am using unstable, deb unstable main contrib non-free
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07:01<bremner>digitaloktay: then you are the kind of user that ought to be able to take it from "use modprobe" ;-)
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07:02<_PARANOID_>salve a tutti
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07:03<_PARANOID_>posso esporre il mio problema con debian?
07:04<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:05<mycae>:( hal has totally broken aptitude
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07:09<datak>dias.. alguien puede por favor pastearme unos repos funcionales de Lenny?
07:09<datak>por favor :D
07:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:11<datak>sorry ! I confused channel.. I need , if somedy is so kind, a pastebin of a funtional Lenny sources.llist, please.. i mixed up too much...
07:11<mycae>Anyone know anything about debugging dpkg initscripts?
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07:16<dpkg>somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
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07:26<knoppix_>ho hallo
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07:28<john4>hi, when I do cat /proc/meminfo |grep MemTotal it only shows 3369160, it has 4GB
07:29<john4>why does it show this number?
07:29<Guest2316>ist dort jemand ich fahre im rollstuhl.............
07:29<Yoda-BZH`Wk>john4 using a 32bits kernel ?
07:29<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
07:30<john4>I anm Yoda-BZH
07:30<john4>ah, d i need to use bigmem kernel?
07:30<john4>how exactly do i know what kernel?
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07:31<Yoda-BZH`Wk>same name as your current kernel but with -bigmem
07:31<Yoda-BZH`Wk>dpkg tell john4 -about bigmem
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07:31<john4>I thought the system was able to use 4GB
07:31<john4>only higher, bigmem, or 64bit
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07:32<Yoda-BZH`Wk>3.2Go in 32bits without bigmem
07:32<john4>is it performance wise to stick with the current value, or go for bigmem?
07:33<john4>google says it will cost you performance wise
07:34<bremner>OTOH, 64bits will cost you in memory use, but not time, AFAIK
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07:37<john4>using bigm em i guess petern?
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08:08<mycae>What package provides "runlevel" ?
08:09<avu>!tell mycae about search
08:09<mycae>I know. Apt-file doesn't find it
08:09<avu>then you're doing it wrong
08:10<avu>probably forgot to apt-file update?
08:10*mycae tries again
08:10<avu>% dpkg -S =runlevel
08:10<avu>sysvinit: /sbin/runlevel
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08:10<Zathras>Hi. On Debian Etch I installed Postgresql 8.1 from repository. For some reason this install is different from normal Postgresql installs so it seems: su - postgres asks for a password! Can I change user postgres's password without penalty?
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08:11<avu>Zathras, not if you do it as root
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08:12<Zathras>avu, you mean the passwd change?
08:12<onur>Zathras: do su as root
08:12<locklace>Zathras: do you want to su to postgres from non-root users or only from root?
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08:12<Zathras>su - postgres as root actually does prompt for a password. Not on my Lenny box for instance, but on this Etch box it does
08:12<avu>no, I mean su - postgres works without asking for a password when you do it as root
08:13<Zathras>it is a freshly installed setup of postgresql. I just want to create a user and a db!
08:13<avu>if su - foo, no matter what foo ist prompts for a password when you're root, something's broken
08:14<gsimmons>Zathras: Read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ('First steps for the impatient').
08:14<Zathras>sounds like me ;-)
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08:14<Zathras>I will reread it
08:16<Zathras>gsimmons, nothing new in there: gir:root:/etc/postgresql/8.1/main$ su -c "su -s /bin/sh postgres"
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08:17<Zathras>might be an issue that homedirs are linked over NFS
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08:18<zxd>I noticed by default asterisk user is created with asterisk but with shell set to /bin/false , is there any security risks by changing it to /bin/bash , I want to run some scripts from asterisk
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08:20<zhxk>well, anybody don't use Microsoft Windows?
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08:24<XaF>I want to install debian on my new computer, but it seems that my ethernet integrated in my motherboard (Asrock N68PV-GS) is not recognized
08:25<XaF>have you any idea to help me ?
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08:31<locklace>XaF: if there's no driver for that card in the current linux kernel, you're sol
08:32<XaF>it's working on ubuntu 8.10
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08:33<locklace>what is the ethernet card/chipset model
08:33<locklace>ubuntu 8.10 uses a slightly newer kernel (2.6.27) than debian stable (2.6.26), so probably you just need to use a newer kernel package
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08:35<XaF>ethernet card is integrated in the mothercard
08:35<locklace>it still has a model. check your lspci output
08:36<XaF>it is not installed yet
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08:36<locklace>this would be easier if you happened to remember the driver name from the ubuntu setup
08:36<XaF>because i need the network to install debian
08:37<XaF>Realtek RTL8211CL
08:37<locklace>ok, that is kind of a pain then
08:37<XaF>you know ?
08:38<krishna>Hi! My cups just logs accesses to the config page. What do I do to have it logging the printing? (user and number of pages)
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08:40<locklace>XaF: ok, that's the chipset model, but not the actual driver name, not sure exactly which kernel driver supports that
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08:41<locklace>it might be tg3
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08:43<locklace>but there's a realtek phy driver for that chipset
08:43<XaF>for linux ?
08:44<XaF>I have tried another time with ubuntu and it works without any problem
08:44<locklace>anyway, if the debian stable installer kernel doesn't recognise it, not sure what to tell you other than try to find a way to install besides over the network
08:45<locklace>you should also check dmesg output in the installer after it's tried to detect the card, might give more info
08:46<locklace>it would be helpful to know the exact driver names for your card; you could find this out by just booting an ubuntu live cd or something
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08:46<locklace>one of them is "realtek"
08:46<locklace>but that's just a phy driver
08:47<XaF>it seems to be force deth the name
08:48<gsimmons>XaF: Try using a backported d-i image.
08:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kmuto is For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see
08:48<locklace>XaF: ok, if so then the driver is called "forcedeth"
08:49<locklace>gsimmons: that's handy
08:50<locklace>think it needs a better dpkg tag though, i'll never remember that one ;)
08:51<XaF>I will try to install the testing version of debian
08:51<locklace>most likely won't help
08:51<locklace>you should take gsimmons' advice
08:52<XaF>it's seems to work ...
08:52<XaF>thank you for your help locklace
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09:08<stevem_>Quick Q: How did Ubuntu get themselves a "packages." web site that works just like Debians? was it released in some way?
09:08<weasel>the packages code is open
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09:10<stevem_>weasel, in the repo's?
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09:11<weasel>Ganneff: remind me where packages's code lives
09:11<stevem_>I made a repository myself on a server... I could use it to view it you see
09:12<Ganneff> webwml.git has packages
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09:16<gsimmons>XaF: If you could provide the output from "lspci -nnk" at a paste site (/msg dpkg paste) - once your Debian system is installed - this would be appreciated.
09:17<raver>i just have my supper and when i came back i can't log in gnome : (
09:18<locklace>raver: didn't you hear? latest release broke supper/gnome compatibility
09:19<raver>i just reinstall the gnome and /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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09:20<XaF>ok gsimmons :)
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10:01<locklace>heh. debian package for cdrecord says "use wodim instead"; cdrecord maintainer says "wodim is a very old version (4+ years) of cdrecord with additional bugs. Due to Copyright and GPL violations, it cannot even be legally distributed."
10:01<Ganneff>he lies, but thats known. use what works for you.
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10:08<locklace>ok, i see from his page that there's some kind of acrimonious dispute
10:09<llutz>it's a neverending story :(
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10:10<mirshafie>hello, i'm about to install debian on a mini-computer with no floppy or optical drive. i'm looking for a *windows* tool to make my usb pendrive bootable for syslinux, as i'm currently on a windows system. is there such a tool, or other solution?
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10:11<locklace>llutz: unfortunately it seems to be clouding the issue with kernel bug 13179 (
10:12<locklace>mirshafie: unetbootin
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10:14<mirshafie>locklace: i thought unetbootin only created live os's?
10:14<mirshafie>oh, of course i could supply the debian netinst for it
10:15<mirshafie>thanks for the tip
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10:15<zhxk>hello, what should i do then? i'm CLFSing:
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10:25<stevem_>can I force a refresh of the apt cache
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10:26<stevem_>it keeps claiming 'hash sum mismatch' on the volatile repo 'Packages.bz2' when it's fine
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10:27<petern>aptitude update...?
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10:27<stevem_>petern, now that worked - yet apt-get didn't
10:28<stevem_>and still doesn't
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10:29<stevem_>and that it's moaning about
10:29<stevem_>err I mean
10:29<zhxk> damned:
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10:32<MArtyCZ>Hi 2 all ;]
10:32<zhxk> anybody help me?:
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10:35<MArtyCZ>I'm here, coz I broke my system (again). Yesterday, I installed IRCd and eggdrop, and then after restart, i got DRDY ERR. I fixed it, but deleted some files (next fixed it again). But I wanted IRCd, so I tried install it again... And again DRDY err, now deleted more files (Eh), now I cant boot to KDE/GNOME
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10:35<MArtyCZ>xorg log is sayig err (failed to initialize glx extension (compatible nvidia x driver not found) I searched for it, reinstalled nvidia glx, but still I canbt...
10:36<MArtyCZ>can anybody help? :] thanx
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10:41<rutski>"alsa force-reload" confuses the hell out of me:
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10:42<rutski>I examine /proc/asound/cards, after each time doing "alsa force-read"
10:42<rutski>and every time, the content of /proc/asound/cords is different!
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10:43<rutski>sometimes it decides it want to see my USB headset
10:43<rutski>other times it doesn't
10:43<rutski>what gives?
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10:44<krishna>I'd like to log users print jobs, but my cups server does not write a page_log file at all, my cups.conf is like: Any hints?
10:44<skilz>im trying to install the deb package I created for google earth, but im not sure of the name, how do I find it?
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10:45<Zathras>skilz, if you created it you produced a .deb file. Just dpkg that one
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10:46<skilz>Zathras: where is it?
10:46<MArtyCZ>skilz: in folder with source?
10:46<Zathras>normally 1 level up the source dir
10:46<skilz>never mind
10:47<MArtyCZ>: ]
10:47<skilz>found it in home
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10:47<MArtyCZ>em, can anybody help with my problem? :/
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10:48<skilz>oh wtf
10:48<skilz>/usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/ symbol BIO_test_flags, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file with link time reference
10:48<zedboy>dpkg: tell MArtyCZ about ask
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10:49<sci>dpkg zzzz
10:49<dpkg>sci: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
10:49<skilz>google earth is crashing
10:50<MArtyCZ>I asked wrong or something?
10:50<sci>MArtyCZ:simply tell us your problem
10:50<skilz>What's your problem MArtyCZ?
10:50<MArtyCZ>ah :] just copy it, mmnt
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10:52<sci>pastebin drives me crazy, good bye
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10:54<Zathras>MArtyCZ, just uncomment the GLX lib loading in the xorg file
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10:54<Zathras>manually deleting libs will fubar you system fir sure though
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10:55<melkart>the version 4.6.0 of the package "xfwm4-themes" must somehow slipped into lenny-backports....
10:55<melkart>can anybody who has lenny-backports enabled in his apt/sources.list confirm this?
10:55<melkart>if i actually upgraded it, it would break things
10:56<MArtyCZ>Zathras: Thanx, I'll try
10:56<MArtyCZ>First i need to backup some files and then ill try
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10:57<MArtyCZ>(first must reboot to debian)
10:57<Zathras>melkart, ?
10:58<melkart>thank you... sorry. yes, it is actually listed there
10:58<melkart>but i think it must be a mistake, no?
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10:58<melkart>because, when, in aptitude, i press "U" for updating everything new, it selects xfwm4-themes and then *that* causes a package conflict
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11:00<melkart>(because it depends on xfwm4 (>=4.6.0)
11:00<melkart>which is neither in lenny nor in lenny-backports
11:03<MArtyCZ>Zathras: Thanx, but Im looking in xorg.conf file and there is none about GLX lib.
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11:03<skilz>How can I fix this ./googleearth-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/ symbol BIO_test_flags, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file with link time reference?
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11:03<MArtyCZ>sry, none commented
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11:05<Amorphous>zhxk, please don't /msg people without their consent
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11:05<kevin>where would i find the ubuntu openweek sessions?
11:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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11:05<Zathras>MArtyCZ, your log file is likely to have something like:
11:06<Zathras>pastebin your logfile
11:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:06<adb>melkart: fix your sources, if all are lenny than xfwm4-themes Depends: xfwm4 (>= 4.4.2) and xfwm4 is Version: 4.4.2-5
11:06<MArtyCZ>Zathras: Im stuck in console mode, so I cant paste it from book and I dont know, how to install something like VNC and run it from my other PC
11:06*Amorphous asks himself why he always gets picked by those drive by /MSGs or if those /msg everyone in the chan
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11:07<MArtyCZ>well, I know, but I dont know, how to run it without graphics
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11:07<Zathras>install ssh, or "pastebinit" package
11:07<MArtyCZ>ok, thanx
11:08<Zathras>assuming you have network that is
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11:08<MArtyCZ>yes, Im connected
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11:09<herrkin>hi, hola
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11:09<herrkin>hi everybody
11:10<herrkin>I have some trouble with my grub
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11:10<melkart>adb: <--- these are my sources now. i commented "unstable" out. then i do "aptitude update". then it still wants to update xfwm4-themes to 4.6.0... which breaks things ... when i press "U"
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11:10<melkart>adb: yes, if i took out lenny-backports, this doesnt happen.
11:10<herrkin>I installed debian and the grub was messed up it didnt open anything
11:10<melkart>adb: but i think lenny-backports should "fit" to lenny, no?
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11:11<herrkin>I fixed it using a live cd but I cannot run winxp I dont know why
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11:11<herrkin>can anybody help me?
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11:13<Zathras>MArtyCZ, might be something to do with multiple instances of GLX? Really don;t know. Seems it could find it in an earlier stage correctly
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11:14<Zathras>you can also try asking on a channel on xorg if it exists
11:14<MArtyCZ>I'll try, thanx
11:14<Zathras>it does on freenode
11:14<jetscreamer>herrkin: /boot/grub/menu.lst ... there's a windows example in there ... check /boot/grub/ too, make sure they point at the correct things
11:14<MArtyCZ>ok, thx
11:15<jetscreamer>herrkin: after editing, update-grub
11:15<jetscreamer>herrkin: also check for backups of menu.lst
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11:15<jetscreamer>nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
11:15<herrkin>I could see menu.lst was pointing a wrong drive
11:15<herrkin>I could fix the debian part
11:16<jetscreamer>check the also
11:16<herrkin>but the winxp is still broken
11:16<herrkin>ok I'll check
11:16<jetscreamer>but is for when you run update-grub
11:16<jetscreamer>not when grub boots
11:17<jetscreamer>paste the relevant sections of menu.lst
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11:17<jetscreamer>ahd the output of fdisk -l
11:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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11:21<herrkin>I have this on the win part
11:21<herrkin>map (hd0) (hd1)
11:21<herrkin>map (hd1) (hd0)
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11:22<herrkin>rafb isnt loading
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11:24<dpkg>herrkin: i don't know
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11:26<rutski>what am I supposed to use to set the default alsa device if not asoundconf?
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11:26<cahoot>rutski: as told yesterday
11:26<jetscreamer>herrkin: and the fdisk -l output plz
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11:26<zxd>any big performance inprovement in X by changing from CONFIG_HZ=250 to 1000 ?
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11:27<rutski>cahoot, editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?
11:27<rutski>that feels wrong
11:27<rutski>to have to have root access to a box to decide where your sound comes from
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11:27<rutski>I don't get this whole ~/.asoundrc thing
11:27<rutski>when does it come into play?
11:27<rutski>do apps to have to read it manually?
11:27<dpkg>herrkin: I don't know, could you explain it?
11:27<rutski>is to read when alsa starts?
11:28<themill>herrkin: dpkg is a bot
11:28<rutski>hmm... no, that can't be, because alsa is a system-wide thing
11:28<rutski>and there's no reason for it to look in my ~/.asoundrc when the system boots as opposed to looking in someone else's
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11:28<herrkin>mm.. sure?
11:28<cahoot>rutski: one seldom has any need for an .asoundrc
11:28<rutski>cahoot, lets say I believe you
11:28<jetscreamer>herrkin: which one has the windows on it? at a 'guess' it would be /dev/sda
11:28<cahoot>rutski: more prone to give than solve problems
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11:29<jetscreamer>!what are you
11:29<dpkg>I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>.
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11:29<herrkin>a little noobie here
11:29<rutski>cahoot, then is it even possible to switch the default alsa device without being root?
11:29<rutski>how does gnome do it I wonder?
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11:29<herrkin>jetscreamer, its sdb
11:29<cahoot>rutski: I don't know - maybe that's where pulseaudio has its future
11:29<herrkin>jetscreamer, the first of the partitions
11:30<jetscreamer>herrkin: if so, comment out the map directives (always make a backup before editing)
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11:30<jetscreamer>ok you're sure
11:30<herrkin>yes I am sure
11:31<herrkin>what do you mean the map directives?
11:31<herrkin>map (hd0) (hd1)
11:31<herrkin>map (hd1) (hd0)
11:31<jetscreamer>the map yeah that
11:31<jetscreamer>but if it's on sdb nm
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11:31<jetscreamer>however: where does windows boot from, and what's on sda
11:31<jetscreamer>did you move hd's?
11:32<herrkin>yes, its on sdb
11:32<herrkin>no I didnt
11:32<jetscreamer>ok what's on sda
11:32<herrkin>It just read it this way
11:32<jetscreamer>the hd with the ntfs on the entire disk
11:32<herrkin>I have the bigger disk on sda and the other on sda
11:32<jetscreamer>what's that
11:32<herrkin>I mean sdb
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11:33<herrkin>thats only files
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11:33<herrkin>backup files
11:33<jetscreamer>well if you didn't move hd's, and/or mess with the bios boot order, the map directives shouldn't be needed
11:33<herrkin>music, videos, apps
11:33<herrkin>ok I will comment it
11:33<jetscreamer>herrkin: less the boot.ini
11:33<jetscreamer>and MAKE A BACKUP FIRST
11:34<jetscreamer>herrkin: paste the boot.ini also
11:34<jetscreamer>on the ntfs drive
11:35<jetscreamer>i meant to say 'of' is what that means
11:35<Seattle_Mike>I have a Lenny (fresh install) home server, NFS, SOX, Libghoto-2 doesn't work. Should I go back to Etch?
11:35<jetscreamer>instead of on
11:35<jetscreamer>no, woody
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11:36<jetscreamer>can you mount the ntfs partition btw
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11:36<jetscreamer>mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt or so
11:36<jetscreamer>(so you can read the boot.ini)
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11:37<Seattle_Mike>Libgphoto-2 requirements for wine and hp printing means I can't wine or print.
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11:37<herrkin>yes I can see all the files of the ntfs partitions
11:37<herrkin>I am listening to music from that partition now
11:38<herrkin>excuse me I get confused, everybody talks in te same room and I am not used to it
11:39<skilz>herrkin: You'll get used to reading fast...
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11:40<jetscreamer>herrkin: your bios is set to boot from which drive... and how did windows get on the second drive
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11:40<jetscreamer>herrkin: is there a boot.ini on the sda drive?
11:41<herrkin>jetscreamer, what I did was a fresh install and I was really confused because it said "not such partition" in all of the options I had ubuntu on my machine
11:41<jetscreamer>ntldr et al
11:41<herrkin>I guess not let me check it shouldnt be
11:41<herrkin>no it isnt
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11:42<Tcl>ups.. sorry
11:42<jetscreamer>herrkin: are these all sata disks, or do you have a mixed pata/sata hd collection
11:42<herrkin>jetscreamer, see I bought this big disk 2 months ago and I just plugged it in
11:42<herrkin>all sata
11:42<jetscreamer>herrkin: plugged it in to which cable.. an open one?
11:43<jetscreamer>the big one is the one w/o the windows? the sda?
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11:43<herrkin>let me be clear
11:43<Seattle_Mike>Is anyone having problems with libghoto2-2 stopping apt-get, Synaptic operation?
11:44<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: are you getting an error message? why not share it with everyone? it might not make sense to you, but it likely does to us.
11:44<herrkin>jetscreamer, I had the 256gb disk with winxp and ubuntu on it then I bought the 500gb disk
11:44<herrkin>both sata drives
11:44<herrkin>I just pluged the new one same way as the old one
11:44<herrkin>and it worked just fin
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11:45<Seattle_Mike>Well the error is dpkg returned an error. Basically a lot crap has libgphot2-2 as required so I can't install hp printing or wine.
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11:45<herrkin>In ubuntu I sda was where I had win and also ubuntu and sdb was the 500gb disk
11:46<herrkin>now I cant understand why its messed up
11:46<jetscreamer>herrkin: ok. ahh...
11:46<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: try an apt-get -f install from the command line.
11:46<jetscreamer>and when ubuntu was running, windows booted fine and so did ubuntu
11:46<Seattle_Mike>I have tried apt-get -f install .. also purging and reinstalling ... doesn't work.
11:47<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: ok. what happens when you apt-get -f install.
11:47<herrkin>what does it do?
11:47<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: *something* must give you a meaningful error message.
11:47<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: only microsoft programs should fail with a message of "it's just not working"
11:48<jetscreamer>ok make the backups, but in, change hd0 to point to sda and hd1 to sdb. edit fstab to use sda, and edit menu.lst to change groot and kopt lines.
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11:48<ranix>zedboy: Error at 0x19928845, the memory could not be "read"
11:48<Seattle_Mike>Only ms <grin> error in dpkg log is half-configured
11:48<jetscreamer>herrkin: if everything you told me was correct (and if i'm not a total idiot) that 'should' work
11:48<jetscreamer>and then run update-grub after editing
11:48<herrkin>jetscreamer, 0 installed
11:48<zedboy>ranix: outlook is my personal favorite.
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11:49<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: what version of libgphoto2-2 is installed?
11:49<herrkin>I dont know I pasted the line you gave me and it says 0 update, 0 installed...
11:49<jetscreamer>i didn't type apt-get
11:49<ranix>zedboy: when you try to write data to a <td> element in IE7, iexplore throws "unknown error" errors
11:49<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: uh, what exactly is generating that error? You should be pastebin'ing a command line that shows us exactly what you typed, and exactly what you got
11:50<ranix>zedboy: all other browsers behave normally
11:50<jetscreamer>ok make the backups, but in, change hd0 to point to sda and hd1 to sdb. edit fstab to use sda, and edit menu.lst to change groot and kopt lines. then run update-grub
11:50<herrkin>I am confused
11:50<zedboy>ranix: ie7 is a close competitor with outlook xp
11:50<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: works just fine here on lenny
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11:51<jetscreamer>oh and comment out the map directives, herrkin
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11:51<herrkin>hd0 is pointing sda, and hd1 to sdb
11:51<herrkin>ok I will check it and I will be back
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11:52<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: apt-get -f install, I get a list of 13 things (libgphoto2-2 at top, then get dpkg subprocess: /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error (1)
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11:53<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: Yup it works on my Lenny Desktop too... It's my server that's bad. I run KDE 3.5 on the server also.
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11:53<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: um, you're not getting it. you must pastebin the *entire* output.
11:54<Seattle_Mike>OK I'm on my desktop let me go to the server and join in.
11:54<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: because the *entire* error message is significant and meaningful and wonderful and good for you (like wheaties)
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11:54<EmleyMoor>I still can't get the hostname on my VM to change - tried the factoid, even with the hostname command last - and the old one still persists
11:54<Seattle_Mike>zedboy .. I did give you entire dialog.
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11:54<EmleyMoor>Can anyone advise why that might be?
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11:55<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: Ok here goes the "complete":
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11:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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11:59<themill>EmleyMoor: xen?
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12:01<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: my complete console is at
12:01<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: beautiful
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12:02*jetscreamer doesn't say --force-something
12:02<herrkin>jetscreamer, I checked it carefully and I could fix it
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12:02<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: fyi apt-get does work for anything that doesn't have libgphoto2-2 as a dependency.
12:02<herrkin>jetscreamer, thanks
12:02<jetscreamer>herrkin: you mean you did fix it?
12:02<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: yeah that makes sense
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12:03<herrkin>jetscreamer, yes now i can boot winxp
12:03<jetscreamer>ah yay
12:03<Seattle_Mike>anyone know how to remove dependicies?
12:03<themill>Seattle_Mike: what does "ldd /usr/lib/libgphoto2/print-camera-list" say?
12:03<jetscreamer>!congratulate herrkin
12:03<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies herrkin, you did it!
12:03<herrkin>jetscreamer, another thing I dont know how to fix is that compiz-manager doesnt start automatically
12:04<Seattle_Mike> => (0xb7fe3000)
12:04<Seattle_Mike> => /usr/lib/ (0xb7f51000)
12:04<Seattle_Mike> => /usr/local/lib/ (0xb7f4b000)
12:04<Seattle_Mike> => /usr/local/lib/ (0xb7f44000)
12:04<Seattle_Mike> => /lib/i686/cmov/ (0xb7f40000)
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12:04<jetscreamer>herrkin: no idea, i installed compiz twice.. not on my box, either
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12:04<dpkg>from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at, #compiz @
12:04<jetscreamer>check those links herrkin
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12:05<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: i got kicked for my ldd ....did you see it?
12:05<themill>dpkg: tell Seattle_Mike about paste
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12:05<jetscreamer>somthing about compiz --replace maybe, herrkin
12:05<themill>Seattle_Mike: not all of it, please pastebin it
12:05<jetscreamer>not sure at all
12:06<Seattle_Mike>themill: I know about paste ... sorry I thoughy 5 lines would be OK
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12:06<jetscreamer>3 is the limit... and offensive :)
12:06<themill>Seattle_Mike: except that output should have 9 lines
12:06<herrkin>I mean everytime I start the kdm I have to run compiz-manager on a terminal I want that to happen automaticaly
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12:07<Seattle_Mike>ldd is
12:07<jetscreamer>yeh... but no idea unless it's that --replace thing
12:07<herrkin>I did it, didnt work
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12:07<jetscreamer>#compiz and the links
12:08<jetscreamer>oh and ask in #debian too :)
12:08<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: was looking into stuff on your previous pastebin
12:08<herrkin>ok I have to read a bit
12:08<themill>Seattle_Mike: that looks fine... odd. What happens when you run "/usr/lib/libgphoto2/print-camera-list"
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12:08<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: I suspect the problems may the be libs in /usr/local/lib
12:09<zedboy>/usr/local/lib/ and paste the results
12:09<themill>zedboy: ahh.... well spotted
12:09<jetscreamer>i saw a guy have a dpkg/apt-get problem because his local was in the path first
12:09<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: rather, 'dpkg -S /usr/local/lib/'
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12:09<themill>It probably won't be owned by any package. (It definitely won't be owned by any debian package)
12:10<zedboy>I actually saw that problem with someone else with the same install problems with print-camera-list after google searching. bad local gphoto install
12:10<jetscreamer>and he had stuff there
12:10<jetscreamer>actually, it might have been the same package
12:10<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: dpkg: /usr/local/lib/ not found
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12:10*jetscreamer tries to remember
12:10<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: ok. now ls -al /usr/lib/ - it *should* be there
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12:11<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: and a dpkg -S of it should say it belongs to gphoto2
12:11<Seattle_Mike>themill: print-camera-list works ...
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12:11<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: which means you need to rm the and the other one that were in /usr/local/lib because they are bogus.
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12:12<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: OK dpkg-S in /usr/lib gives: libgphoto2-port0: /usr/lib/
12:13<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: OK I'll give it an rm shot.
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12:13<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: right. and the library /usr/local/lib/ is also muy fishy
12:14<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: because print-camera-list for sure should be linking against the /usr/lib version provided by the package and not this orphan /usr/local/lib version
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12:15<EmleyMoor>I've now tried following this: and still the new hostname hasn't taken!
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12:16<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: Muchas gracias, dank u wel, merci beaucoup ... My apt-get is clean!
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12:17<zedboy>Seattle_Mike: that was pretty deep. consider yourself one step closer to enlightenment
12:17<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: now if you want to be a hero one big problem I have is with sox and fmcapture (a python radio capture script)
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12:17*zedboy has done enough non-work-related good deeds for today...
12:18<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: My wife was whining to me about not having her mp3ed radio shows!
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12:18<Seattle_Mike>zedboy: Thanks for all - I don't want to keep from work.
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12:18<themill>EmleyMoor: You said it's a vm. What sort of vm is it? xen?
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12:20<Seattle_Mike>Anyone run fmcapture (Sox) on Lenny?
12:20<Gun_Smoke>Does mutt 1.5.18 (lenny) need to be patched for NNTP support still?
12:21<EmleyMoor>themill: kvm
12:22<themill>EmleyMoor: ahh, never mind then.
12:22<EmleyMoor>New hostname not surviving reboot
12:22<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: fmcapture isn't in debian (lenny) AFAICT - isn't it plausible you've installed an app that has some deps not fulfilled by lenny?
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12:23<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: I know it's isn't in Debian, it's an "old" python script. It worked fine in Etch and chokes on Sox .
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12:24<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: Hold on fmcapture is looking a little better now.
12:26<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: fmcapture/sox is not OK ... Sox is building a blank wav file.
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12:29<cahoot>fmcapture calls sox to do the job?
12:30<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: yes it does... maybe i should just say how can I get Sox to work ...i.e. play command.
12:31<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: I'm running alsa with a SB Live card ...and don
12:31<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: and don't have audio (which is a minor thing on a server) which I need for the fmcapture interface.
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12:32<skilz>I wanna install debian on my toaster
12:33<skilz>ssh in and tell it to toast
12:33<skilz>and play music
12:33<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: what bothers me is the I see ossdsp in /dev/audio how can I refdin /dev/audio?
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12:33<stuckey>How do I make the text bigger in xterm?
12:34<koollman>ctrl+ right-click, choose a different size
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12:34<koollman>there's an option somewhere to make that permanent, too
12:34<stuckey>koollman: wow! that was easy
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12:34<Seattle_Mike>stuckey I invoke xterm fn 10x100 works well for a large session
12:34<skilz>"Toaster is ready to accept toast"
12:34<stuckey>You know any other cool tricks?
12:35<koollman>stuckey: middle and left click also display a menu. have fun making your term unusable ;)
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12:35<stuckey>Seattle_Mike: how does this work? I don't have the "invoke" command.
12:37<Seattle_Mike>stuckey: OK I have a item on the desktop called xterm and it's properties are: xterm -fn 10x20 -bg black -fg yellow
12:38<stuckey>Seattle_Mike: Awesome
12:39<stuckey>Is it possible to change the font?
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12:39<Halitech>hi folks, I just bought a new MB and CPU (AMD Sapphire board and AMD AM2 5200+ CPU) which uses IDE and SATA drives. I currently have Debian Lenny installed on a 160gig IDE drive on an old P4 1.8 board. will I run into any problems swapping the drive into the new system with the exceptin of the video card?
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12:40<stuckey>Is it possible to change the font?
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12:41<Seattle_Mike>stuckey: xterm font changes are beyond me ...I usally play with -fn to get different sizes.
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12:41<stuckey>Seattle_Mike: yeah the default size is basically unreadable...
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12:42<Seattle_Mike>stukey: what resolution are you using?
12:43<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: doesn't sox use native alsa?
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12:43<Seattle_Mike>stuckey: OK the -fn -10x20 should be pretty big.
12:43<cahoot>(or fmcapture for that matter)
12:44<Seattle_Mike>cahoot ... sox should! and fmcapture is dumb (thankfully) it doesn't care what audio is used - it goes to Sox
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12:44<stuckey>Can I add stuff to dpkg?
12:45<stuckey>Or do you have to be special to do that?
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12:45<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: then I don't understand why ossdsp or /dev/audio is of any interest
12:45<kiddies>some body have a server for download more repositories
12:45<kiddies>i wanna ask it
12:45<kiddies>may i know
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12:45<kiddies>i wanna download a repositories
12:45<Seattle_Mike>cahoo: Because Sox gives Input File : '/dev/audio' (ossdsp) ... and doesn't play audio
12:47<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: The reason I asked about defining /dev/audio is Lenny install didn't define them and I manually defined them and tried copying from a backup system ... I just can't get away from the ossdp error.
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12:47<kiddies>some there
12:47<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: Forget fmcapture ... all I want is play nnn.wav to work (play is a sox utility)
12:48<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: aplay nnn.wav
12:49<Seattle_Mike>cahoot well - it starts up (like Play does) but I don't get any sound.
12:49<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
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12:50<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: fuser gives me: /dev/snd/controlC0: root 23191 F.... kmix
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12:51<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: you haven't changed any perms in /dev ?
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12:51<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: and user is member of audio group?
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12:52<Seattle_Mike>cahoot -- oops user wasn't in group
12:52<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: also basic sound is best tested with: speaker-test -t wav -c2
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12:54<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: OK it plays and plays but no sound from speakers - yes the speakers are on.
12:54<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: as root run: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
12:55<Seattle_Mike>same effect
12:55<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one?
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12:56<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: only one 0 [Live ]: EMU10K1 - SB Live [Unknown]
12:56<Seattle_Mike> SB Live [Unknown] (rev.10, serial:0x80671102) at 0xdf80, irq 20
12:57<bja>Seattle_Mike: A really stupid question are the speakers connected to the sound card?
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12:58<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: with soundblaster it sometimes might be useful to toggle Analog/Digital output Jack in alsamixer
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12:58<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: Oh you mean I shouldn't have put the speaker cords in the AC jack? <grin>
12:59<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: run alsamixer
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12:59<bytedevil>hi. how to can help a debian comunity?
12:59<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: yeah the speakers are connected - I hear hum ... I'll try alsamixer.
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12:59<cahoot>I'm not the one discussing your speakers
12:59<mtc>seen that many times - people get so certain it must be the complicated sound software that they overlook the power switch is OFF
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13:00<mtc>or plugged into the microphone jack
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13:00<mtc>next biggest cause is having something muted or turned to 0% in alsamixer
13:01<bja>mtc: Recently tried to connect a new set of speakers, the cable was broken, I found out with a working mp3 player
13:01<Seattle_Mike>cahoot - OK that was to bja ... alsamixer looks OK Master is 100, Headphon is 0, pcm is 97
13:01<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: with soundblaster it sometimes might be useful to toggle Analog/Digital output Jack in alsamixer
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13:03<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: Analog/Digital is 00 and I can't change it.
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13:03<wwarrior>how can I make a dist-upgrade without loosing my grub (grub.cfg) list
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13:04<cahoot>no risk since debian uses menu.lst
13:04<wwarrior>if I already have a menu.lst
13:04<mtc>Seattle_Mike: I recommend making sure everything is unmuted and all channels turned up to 100%
13:05<bja>wwarrior: You can always back it up to a usb stick
13:05<bytedevil>how to upgrade of grub to grub2?
13:06<cahoot>mtc: that's done by alsa-utils in debian
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13:07<Seattle_Mike>mtc: I have alsa-utils installed.
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13:09<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: the thing is if speaker-test doesn't complai it must be a matter of mixersetting or hw error
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13:10<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: OK 'll play around and see what I can find .... I've tried both kmixer and alsa mixer. Thanks for help.
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13:13<ciphergoth>Anyone here set up a RAIDed system with grub so it can boot from either drive?
13:14<ciphergoth>I think I'm most of the way there, but when I try to boot with one of the drives pulled out the BIOS says "Operating System not found"
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13:14<ciphergoth>This is a brand new Lenny system; the advice here isn't working for me
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13:28<Seattle_Mike>cahoot, mtc, bja: can I say I'm hanging my head in shame? #()*)&U$(*&(* I did have the speaker cable in the wrong port.
13:28*mtc scores one for self.
13:29<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: Now audio works AOK but I still have fmcapture sox ossdsp not working.
13:30<enouf>install alsa-oss
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13:30<enouf>and ensure snd-{pcm,mixer}_oss are loaded using lsmod
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13:31<enouf>er s/snd-{pcm,mixer}_oss/ snd-{pcm,mixer}-oss or snd_{pcm,mixer}_oss :-p
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13:32<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: I'd choose an app that uses native alsa - like ecasound
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13:34<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: or mplayer if it's only for playback from a script
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13:34<Seattle_Mike>enouf: I have alsa-oss installed.
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13:35<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: It's not just reading from a script - it has to write a wave file also ... I'll look at ecasound but sox is the one I'd like to user
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13:39<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: I don't have playing problems it's only now sox is writing blanks.
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13:40<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: i e the capture returns blank files?
13:42<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: it's not fmcapture --- it's sox writing blank wave files.
13:42<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: right but from what input source?
13:42<enouf>nobody has evven heard of fmcapture (whatever that is)
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13:43<enouf>judd versions fmcapture
13:43<judd>enouf: fmcapture --
13:43<enouf>and it's not even in Debian
13:43<stuckey>I'm getting an error using Unsion that says "failed. no space left on device". But the driver in question is only 74% used.
13:43<stuckey>Anyone know why this might be?
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13:43<enouf>s/Driver/Drive/partition/ ;-)
13:44<enouf>likely it needs to generate a huge temp file of some sort
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13:44<stuckey>enouf: would it store this temp file in /var?
13:44<enouf>i have no idea - it might
13:44<stuckey>I only have 1GB on /var
13:44<adama>or /tmp
13:44<Seattle_Mike>enouf: I know it's old but how I capture fm radio via cron table entries?
13:45<enouf>try 'sudo find /var -mtime -10 -size +10485760c -type f -print'
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13:45<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: Input File : '/dev/audio' (ossdsp)
13:45<enouf>for files larger than 1 M and up to 10 days old
13:45<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: try this: open two terminals. in the first run aplay <some.wav> in the second run ecasound -i alsa,hw:0 -o /tmp/test.wav
13:45<stuckey>I don't have a seperate /tmp
13:45<enouf>add some 0s to look for larger
13:45<enouf>yes you do
13:45<enouf>well -- maybe not a partition
13:45<adama>stuckey: or do "watch df" while running Unsion to see what partition is filling up
13:45<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: Trying ... I'm Skype on another computer
13:46<cahoot>Seattle_Mike: I'd remove the homemade /dev/audio
13:46<enouf>adema: that's what i do sometimes too .. i forgot :-p
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13:46<enouf>omg - you are loaded with crap apps
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13:50<stuckey>Anyone know of a command line program to retrieve,view,write, and send e-mails?
13:50<dondelelcaro>stuckey: mutt
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13:50<ranix>personally, I use less /var/mail/ranix
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13:51<ranix>and sendmail
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13:51<ranix>though I have heard of this mutt
13:51<ranix>back in my day, we used to just watch port 25 for EHLOs
13:51<dondelelcaro>good luck writing base64 encoded mime messages
13:52<ranix>and read our email in real-time!
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13:52<ranix>We didn't have 64 bits back in those days, dondelelcaro
13:52<ranix>we had uphill! Both ways!
13:52<cahoot>only 2
13:52<Seattle_Mike>cahoo: installing ecasound
13:52<ranix>we called it instant messaging
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13:53<stuckey>This doesn't make any sense... I know I'm transfering less than 15GB of files on to this drive with Unison
13:54<stuckey>but it's using up more than 15GB when it trys to transfer
13:54<dondelelcaro>uh... if you're talking about port 25, you're not that old
13:54<stuckey>Would it be possible that less of the drive actually used?
13:54<adama>stuckey: delete stuff
13:55<stuckey>adama: It's a 64GB drive, and it says 54GB is used. But I don't think that's right
13:55<azeem>stuckey: complain to your hard disk for lying to you then
13:55<adama>stuckey: compare the K-counts in "df"
13:55<stuckey>I think it's lying...
13:55<stuckey>adama: k counts?
13:56<adama>1K-blocks Used Available
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13:56<adama>i.e. not full GB, just 1K-blocks
13:56<adama>how many 1k-blocks is your drive
13:57<stuckey>adama: looks consistent with being 74% used.
13:57<stuckey>adama: I dont' know... how do I find this out?
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13:57<adama>the df command
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13:58<stuckey>25858348 is the other one, being 56% used.
13:58<stuckey>Those are available blocks.
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13:59<adama>those don't add up to 64 gigs at all
13:59<blarson>stuckey: Remember your files are all rounded up to an integer number of disk blocks. (default is 4k for e3fs
14:00<adama>just past the one line from df, that is the drive we are talking about
14:00<stuckey>/dev/sda6 61519876 42750264 15644572 74% /media/disk
14:00<stuckey>/dev/sda9 61519876 32536488 25858348 56% /home
14:00<stuckey>the last one is the one that's synced with it...
14:00<Seattle_Mike>Cahoot: OK it looks like ecasound is writing a good wave file. uhmmmm.
14:00<adama>oh, ok
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14:01<stuckey>but the top one is the one that has 18% more usage...
14:01<dondelelcaro>stuckey: that's about right; 5% of the blocks are reserved for the superuser.
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14:01<adama>so you are trying to sync the files from the external onto your /home
14:01<stuckey>adama: it's not an external... just mounded at /media/disk... and yes.
14:02<stuckey>adama: it's a copy of my /home
14:02<stuckey>adama: guess I'll just delete one and then unision it again
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14:03<adama>the /media/disk obviously has more files on it though
14:04<stuckey>adama: I don't see how that's possible
14:04<stuckey>adama: oh wait I didn't check lost+found
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14:05<adama>it has 42750264 K used while /home has 32536488
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14:05<stuckey>adama: okay nothing extra there
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14:10<stuckey>I'm going to use the graphical disk-usage analyser
14:11<adama>if you feel like waiting you can do "diff -r /home /media/disk |less"
14:11<magyar_>hi, trying to change a password for a user with ldap and getting "Failed to modify UNIX password: attribute 'shadowLastChange' not allowed at /usr/sbin/smbldap-passwd line 285, <STDIN> line 2."
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14:14<adama>stuckey: I don't know what Unison is, but rsync will do this syncing without using much extra space
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14:17<stuckey>adama: unsion is better... try it.
14:19<adama>looks cool, I wonder if I can install it on my hacked NAS
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14:20<stuckey>Is it possible to change the /home that an operating system loads? do you just do that in fstab?
14:20<adama>replace sda9 with sda6
14:20<stuckey>I just realized this whole usison thing doesn't make sense... I could just have both operating systems use the same /home.
14:20<adama>I've tried that, it is a pain
14:21<adama>with OpenSuse and Debian
14:21<stuckey>they're both debian stable
14:21<adama>ahhh things overwrite each other's configurations
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14:21<adama>well it kind of works, you might have better results with the same OS
14:22<adama>For my setup I should have created different users, I think
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14:23<shze|laptop>sometimes my laptop doesn't wake up from susp to ram, it just sits with blinking text mode cursor and does nothing. /var/log/messages|hibernate doesn't contain any information. how can I find the reason?
14:23<adama>both copies of Gnome will use the same config dir, and may not like each other, eventually
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14:24<adama>but presumably you have already been doing it
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14:25<adama>shze|laptop: you mean |grep hibernate? Check google for hibernate and your video driver
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14:26<shze|laptop>adama: no, I meant neither messages nor hibernate
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14:27<shze|laptop>but shouldn't i have network access, e.g. ssh, if it's just the graphics?
14:27<Seattle_Mike>cahoot: I installed ecasound and trying to get fmcapture to work with it.
14:27<ranix>shze|laptop: Hibernating is dumping the RAM to disk and using it to restore later
14:27*EmleyMoor is almost ready for his new backup strategy
14:28<shze|laptop>ranix: suspend to ram
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14:28<adama>hmm, I'm not sure, I don't use hibernate, but I think that suspending in general is handled by the video driver for some reason
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14:28<ranix>"suspend" is used to describe a wide variety of behaviours, one of which does include hibernation
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14:29<shze|laptop>that's why i wrote "suspend to ram" instead of just "suspend"
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14:29<ranix>what's "suspend to ram"
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14:30<shze|laptop>it's keeping your memory but switching off everything else
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14:31<ranix>System appears off. The CPU has no power; RAM is in slow refresh; the power supply is in a reduced power mode. This mode is also referred to as 'Save To RAM'.
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14:31<ranix>That description suggests to me that, no, you cannot SSH into an s3 suspended machine
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14:32<ranix>shze|laptop: there may be a restricted "wake-on-lan" type event you can use to rouse your machine from s3 on an ssh connection
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14:32<ranix>but, I'm obviously poorly-versed on ACPI
14:32<shze|laptop>ranix: yes, that's true. let me start from the beginning again: if I _resume_ from suspend to ram, I see a blinking cursor, meaning at least the graphics is not working
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14:32<ranix>shze|laptop: ah, I see. Regardless of whether you slept during X or during a virtual terminal?
14:33<ranix>shze|laptop: what happens if you alt-ctrl-f1-f9 during this state
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14:33<shze|laptop>ranix: problem is it's not happening all the time and I couldn't figure out a pattern yet
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14:34<shze|laptop>so far it did happen when I was suspending from X and resuming
14:34<ranix>shze|laptop: sounds like your problem is obnoxious and non-trivial
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14:34<ranix>shze|laptop: made sure your system is up-to-date stable?
14:34<shze|laptop>alt+ctrl+fX does not work, nor does ssh
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14:35<shze|laptop>yes, last update yesterday night, but I have the problem since a few weeks
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14:35<ranix>shze|laptop: looks like lots of people have similar problems on occasion with google search "debian s3 blinking cursor"
14:35<ranix>shze|laptop: but no useful information easily visible
14:36<ranix>shze|laptop: do you use fbcon?
14:36<shze|laptop>that's my problem, I can't find useful information
14:36<shze|laptop>fbcon==frame bugger console?
14:36<shze|laptop>no, normal textmode
14:36<ranix>well bugger that then
14:37<ranix>I have no useful advice, I'm sorry
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14:37<EmleyMoor>buffer that? <g>
14:37<deniz>i made a somewhat linear looking function with excel and plotted points, but how do you make it create a perfectly linear function?
14:37<deniz>well not excel
14:37<shze|laptop>ranix: too bad, but thanks for your time!
14:37<ranix>shze|laptop: you don't perchance have a USB drive do you
14:38<shze|laptop>ranix: what do you mean? usb drive connected while suspending? no
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14:38<ranix>no ipods or flash drives plugged in on resume
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14:38<shze|laptop>sd memory card
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14:39<ranix>shze|laptop: is it possible to try removing that and see if the problem persists?
14:39<shze|laptop>but it's always plugged, while suspending and while resuming
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14:39<ranix>shze|laptop: I have some motherboards under my roof here that will consistently fail to boot or resume from suspend regardless of operating system while USB drives are plugged in
14:39<shze|laptop>yeah, I can give it a try
14:39<ranix>shze|laptop: it is a known BIOS bug
14:40<netzwurm>does rxvt-unicode in debian not support real transparency with xcompmgr?
14:40<ranix>it's a long shot but worth investigating
14:40<shze|laptop>I had that with kernel <2.6.29, but since .29 its working
14:40<stuckey>adama: I don't use gnome; I use wmii
14:40<shze|laptop>which makes me think it's somehing else.
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14:44<adama>stuckey: well it's up to you. Like I said, sharing the /home between 2 OSs will work, but in my experience it did do some funny things which I no longer remember the specifics of. I was using OpenSuse10.2/KDE3 and OpenSuse11.0/KDE4, I remember now... you will probably have better results considering those crap OS/DE
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14:46<djc>ubuntu is a damn cancer
14:47<GT>It sure is! Finally, someone who agrees with me.
14:47<djc>everytime I search for something on google, reither an error, or something, I get TONS of crap related to ubuntu. Even sometimes if I put -ubuntu
14:47<adama>ubuntu's default SUDO setup is garbage
14:47<GT>Sudo shouldn't be set up by defult.
14:47<djc>I dont think much of sudo anyway
14:47<adama>ubuntu results for debian problems do help often
14:48<adama>I never use sudo
14:48<djc>ive been having a problem on and off with k3b burning
14:48<djc>it just pukes with an error.. doesnt really give an explantaion, just 'io error'
14:48<djc>more specifically: WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=0h/ASC=00h/ACQ=02h
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14:49<cahoot>see how wodim fares?
14:49<GT>Hey, I installed Debian Lenny on a friend's computer, and made several accounts. One for myself, and separate accounts for every potential user of the computer. ALSA detects the sound device on my account, and everything works swell. But on every other account it claims that no sound device was found. Any ideas as to what the problem could be?
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14:50<adama>GT: add the users to the audio group
14:50<djc>hrm. How to I tell k3b to use wodim instead of growisof
14:50<mtc>GT: bet it is a permissions issue - take a look at /etc/group
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14:50<cahoot>other users members in audio?
14:50<GT>I don't know, that's a good suggestion.
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14:51<GT>I actually left the computer with them, as it was a gift, and I didn't want to take it back home to fix it. I'll check that next time I have access to it.
14:51<djc>the weird thing is that it works sometimes
14:51<enouf>djc: it's in it's menu config somewhere
14:51<djc>enouf, yeah thats what I thought but cant seem to find it
14:51<adama>GT: should have installed openssh-server and forwarded port 22 on the router
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14:51<enouf>that almost looks like a bad media issue
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14:52<GT>The problem is the computer is unnetworked.
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14:52<adama>that is a problem
14:52<GT>Yeah, I can only make changes in person.
14:52<djc>hrm.. it doesnt offer wodim for dvd.. only growisofs
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14:52<djc>it offers wodim for cd
14:53<enouf>run isoinfo on good ISOs and burnt cd/dvds - run growisofs from command line - try wodim - use dvd+rw-mediainfo
14:53<GT>Adama: So if a user wasn't a part of the audio group, that could break ALSA?
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14:53<cahoot>no but they can't use sound
14:53<enouf>hrm .. wodim can burn DVDs, IIRC - run wodim -prcap dev=/dev/name
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14:54<adama>GT: yeah it doesn't break anything, but that user will not be able to produce sound
14:54<GT>Thanks, guys. You're a great help, I'll check that next time I'm able.
14:55<djc>sigh.. I really want to figure out why k3b isnt working.. to be honest I havnt use cli for disk burning in a long time
14:55<djc>k3b has spoiled me
14:55<enouf>GT: ensure users are in plugdev group for many other things like automounting in DEs, etc
14:55<GT>Any other groups they should be included in by default?
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14:56<enouf>djc: you can even see the exact command that kb runs - save the log of a burn
14:56<djc>yes, ive got that.. but it doesnt seem to reference the iso image itself in the command
14:56<enouf>er k3b ... and any growisofs command is cake
14:56<djc>/usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=/dev/fd/0 -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -use-the-force-luke=tracksize:1093494 -dvd-compat -speed=8 -use-the-force-luke=bufsize:32m
14:57<ranix>use the force luke?
14:57<djc>on a different but related note, anyone using 16x dvd-r's (I have some, but im currently using older ones) and need to fiddle with dvd writer firmware? and have any idea how to do that without installing wincrap?
14:57<ranix>Do, or do not! There is no try!
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14:58<GT>Yes, master Yoda.
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15:01<rutski>what gives?
15:01<rutski>why is less(1) trying to display the color escapes?
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15:01<djc>if anyone wants to see the full log
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15:02<djc>rutski, how are you running less?
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15:02<rutski>djc: ls | less
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15:02<djc>hrm.. normally is ls detects its output it a pipe it suppresses the color output
15:02<rutski>djc: and ls is an alias to 'ls --color'
15:02<rutski>right, exactly!
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15:03<djc>less doesnt know anything about it, it displays what it gets
15:03<rutski>what could possibly have made it stop doing?
15:03<djc>your --color might be forcing it
15:03<rutski>right, yea; I knew I was wording the question wrong
15:03<djc>I have
15:03<djc>alias ls='ls --color=auto'
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15:03<rutski>djc: it was always working before
15:03<rutski>ah, yea
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15:03<djc>you didnt change the alias, did you?
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15:03<rutski>that works, thanks :)
15:03<rutski>not that I knew of
15:03<enouf>search here for use-the-force ranix
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15:03<rutski>maybe I just never noticed it broken before
15:03<rutski>this is a new system
15:04<rutski>only been on it for ~48 hours
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15:04<enouf>djc: yes, certain firmwares + specific media can produce fast write (and effective write strategies) speeds
15:04<djc>enouf, its in there many times over.. I dont suppose you can be more specific
15:04<enouf>just buy HDDs though
15:05<enouf>throw this optical crap into the dumpster
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15:05<enouf>djc: well - it should elude to what each one does
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15:05<djc>well I was asking becuase when I bought these 16x dvdrs it had a sticker that said to go to my drive might need new firmware to recognize them at all
15:05<enouf>you don't need most of those though
15:05<djc>enouf, thats what k3b was using, im not running it by hand
15:05<enouf>you might want tio try the =wrvfy option
15:05<djc>I want k3b to work
15:05<enouf>djc: i know
15:05<enouf>i don't care about k3b
15:06<enouf>look at kiso?
15:06*enouf runs
15:06<shze|laptop>after my last resume from suspend to ram using pm-suspend from tty I has this call trace in my logs:
15:06<shze|laptop>what is the best place to go with that?
15:06<djc>ok I'll have to deal with this later.. gotta go
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15:08<adama>shze|laptop: Linus
15:08<enouf>djc: also note; Taiyo-Yuden (and some others) is/are quality blanks - use -atip with wodim if +rw-mediainfo doesn't display it
15:08<enouf>djc: stay away from anything made in taiwan ;-)
15:08<quanto>Hi. I'm getting an error here:The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
15:08<enouf>quanto: when?
15:08<shze|laptop>adama: directly? :-D
15:08<quanto>what should I do to fix it please
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15:09<adama>shze|laptop: yes, call his cell ;)
15:09<adama>no, or whatever
15:09<quanto>when ./configure && make clean && make KBUILD_NOPEDANTIC=1 && make install
15:09<enouf>use a debian kernel
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15:09<shze|laptop>adama: will do, thanks!
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15:10<enouf>quanto: or try #kernelnewbies here; or ##kernel on
15:10<surge>Question... is it possible to recover registered IRC password?
15:11<enouf>surge: ask #alioth ?
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15:11<enouf>surge: seek out some channel op and ask where/what/who ...
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15:15<surge>Who is Alioth?
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15:15<aurelien>Je viens de compiler le dernier kernel et depuis je n'ai plus l'usb :( De quelles options cela peut venir ? J'ai ceci : 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
15:16<aurelien>Quelles sont les erreurs fréquentes qui désactive l'usb ?
15:16<aurelien>(je peux aussi vous envoyer mon .config si vous voulez jeter un coup d'oeil)
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15:17<washi>surge, Alioth isn't anyone in particular
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15:29<Seattle_Mike> djc - I use k3b on 16x dvd-r AOK
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15:37<xente>has anyone else had problems with invoke-rc.d on some recent upgrades to squeeze?
15:38<xente>namely the packages acpid and hal?
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15:46<chealer>xente: did you check the BTS?
15:47<xente>chealer: what is BTS?
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15:47<chealer>!tell xente about bts
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15:48<NegativeClock>Hello Debian world, would anyone be able to help me with installing Debian?
15:48<steffan>NegativeClock: what's up?
15:48<NegativeClock>well essentially, I have a windows computer that has been compromised by a virus
15:49<mlowe>good job on lenny
15:49<steffan>NegativeClock: what version of debian?
15:49<NegativeClock>so I'd like now to just install Linux, but never have before
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15:49<steffan>NegativeClock: you might want to take a look at if you're talking about lenny(5.0) :-)
15:50<steffan>NegativeClock: and then ask here if you have any questions during it
15:50<NegativeClock>is Debian the best option for what I'm doing?>
15:50<xente>right...but I wanted to know if anyone else here has had the same problem
15:50<dpkg>methinks gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, see . In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. Ask me about <gcc-doc>.
15:50<steffan>NegativeClock: did you take a look at the different distributions, already?
15:51<cahoot>NegativeClock: you might want to try out a live-cd
15:51<steffan>remi: message the bot in private, or use !tell
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15:51<remi>ok, sorry steffan
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15:51<steffan>NegativeClock: if you're new to the world of linux then you might want to take a look at ubuntu, debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is built"
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15:52<NegativeClock>hmm :)
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15:53<ranix>NegativeClock: it is probably better to start at the beginning and learn correctly the first time
15:53<NegativeClock>so where should I go to learn about and possibly install ubuntu
15:53<ranix>NegativeClock: I would disregard that advice unless you want to learn The Wrong Way and later expand yourself
15:53<ranix>which seems wasteful to me
15:53<NegativeClock>lol so someone tell me what to do
15:53<steffan>NegativeClock: i believe ubuntu has a windows installer called wubi, or you could try a live CD?
15:53<simonrvn>xente: just ask
15:53<steffan>NegativeClock: but we are not ubuntu :-)
15:53<ranix>NegativeClock: the best crash course is to get a spare computer, get a debian disk, and just go to town
15:53<xente>simonrvn: what do you mean?
15:54<simonrvn> #ubuntu on
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15:54<ranix>NegativeClock: if you're doing this on your primary computer you might want to approach it with more caution
15:54<ranix>I recommend spare computer, debian disk, and cares to the wind
15:54<ranix>0 frustration, 0 worries
15:55<NegativeClock>it's not my personal primary computer, it's my computer at work, and I need to get it back up as soon as possible and don't know if we can find or be willing to pay for the windows install CD now
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15:56<simonrvn>/server and then /join #ubuntu
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15:56<simonrvn>xente: ^^^
15:56<simonrvn>!irc faq
15:56<NegativeClock>okay, so it's a resounding verdict of ubuntu?
15:56<steffan>NegativeClock: although, if you are feeling enthusiastic then just start with debian, you will more than probably end up moving to it anyhow :)
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15:57<ranix>!why not ubuntu
15:57<simonrvn>isn't s/he asking for ubuntu help?
15:57<xente>simonrvn: what are you talking about?
15:57<NegativeClock>I'm asking for any help :)
15:57<ranix>simonrvn: he's a new user to linux asking how to begin using linux
15:57<xente>I recommend ubuntu if you are a new user
15:57<simonrvn>never then...
15:57<ranix>simonrvn: and everyone is spamming "ubuntu! ubuntu!"
15:58<ranix>WTF guys
15:58<xente>uh huh
15:58<steffan>NegativeClock: you should read up on the numerous (hundreds) of distributions your self, views on IRC vary and as you're in #debian the chances are peoples opinions will be focused on Debian, make the choice your self :-)
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15:58<NegativeClock>thank you steffan, but they're are so many and I am a little pressed for time; I think I'll check out ubuntu
15:59<xente>I think you should
15:59<NegativeClock>thank you everyone
15:59<ranix>come on back to #debian when you realize your mistake
15:59<steffan>NegativeClock: you're welcome :)
15:59<mlowe> has good reviews
15:59<xente>so, has anyone else had problems when upgrading some packages when it calles invoke-rc.d?
16:00<dondelelcaro>xente: there was an issue with splashy
16:00<NegativeClock>ranix don't confuse me :P
16:00<dondelelcaro>xente: so if you're having troubles, you might check that out.
16:00<NegativeClock>thank you all, ciao
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16:00<xente>dondelelcaro: thanks!
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16:05<nano->I'm working on adding divertions to my package but upon removal of the pkg dpkg-divert says "dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting .... with different file ..., not allowed."
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16:05<nano->Why does it say this. I don't understand the reason for this error message.
16:06<nano->The file it says is different, indeed is different, as it's the original file.
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16:16*robot313 looks around
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16:19<robot313>Hello, I am getting GPG errors "invalid signatues" when trying to get package list from How do I put in the correct keys?
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16:21<simonrvn>robot313: and apt-key command
16:22<nano-> this is the error, but not the solution.
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16:27<nano->Should I do rm /etc/config/file before I do dpkg-divert --remove /etc/config/file?
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16:27<robot313>simonrvn: Thanks for that. I apologize, but I cannot find anything about it on the site
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16:28<eric_justin_allan>i tried to install iceape and it didnt work. actually it installed part of itself that cant be removed with dpkg sunaptic or aptitude. How do I remove this program completly? its says E: iceape-l10n-be: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127.
16:28<eric_justin_allan>anyone got any ides?
16:29<eric_justin_allan>it is impossible to install or remove any software.
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16:29<eric_justin_allan>i tried apt-get -f install and it gave me the same error code.
16:29<simonrvn>robot313: look for a gpg key, ascii armoured, ending in .asc.
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16:30<simonrvn>eric_justin_allan: dpkg -P foo; then try dpkg -i samefoo
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16:40<robot313>simonrvn: I must be blind. I cannot find it. :(
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16:42<vassalli>non c'è nessuno
16:42<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:43<simonrvn>robot313: copy the keyid aptitude / apt-get /whatever spits out and /msg dpkg apt-key TheKeyIdYouCopied here
16:43<simonrvn>robot313: you're not, i just assumed they would display it there.
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16:44<robot313>well it actually says "NODATA 1 NODATA 2"
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16:45<simonrvn>robot313: wtf? try again.
16:45<simonrvn>aptitude update
16:46<robot313>The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2
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16:54<simonrvn>robot313: hold
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16:55<simonrvn>robot313: oh, aptitude install debian-keyring
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16:57<paggas>hi, i noticed that approx doesn't have an initscript, instead being started by inetd, i'd like to ask, how can i issue commands like /etc/init.d/approx start|stop|etc (which would work if there was an initscript)?
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16:59<eric_justin_allan>simonrvn: it says dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
16:59<Mr-R>paggas: /etc/init.d/inetd ? :)
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17:00<joshua>oh, hello
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17:00<robot313>simonrvn: ok, I ran that, then tried update again, same NODATA
17:00<simonrvn>eric_justin_allan: um, so wait until the other process unlocks it. or did you kill dpkg/apt-get/aptitude/whatever in the middle of something?
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17:00<eric_justin_allan>dpkg -warning: ignoring request to remove foo which isn't installed
17:00<dpkg>eric_justin_allan: I don't know, could you explain it?
17:00<simonrvn>robot313: yes, i know, wait for it to install. do you have gpg installed?
17:01<eric_justin_allan>i dont know
17:01<simonrvn>eric_justin_allan: not literally "foo"...
17:01<dpkg>from memory, foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <> and <bar>, also read RFC3092.
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17:01<eric_justin_allan>looks like it
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17:01<paggas>Mr-R: that would start/stop inetd altogether, no? how can i start/stop specific inetd services though?
17:01<eric_justin_allan>I typed what he said.
17:02<eric_justin_allan> I got a message saying foo isnt installed
17:02<eric_justin_allan>i tried to install iceape and it didnt work. actually it installed part of itself that cant be removed with dpkg sunaptic or aptitude. How do I remove this program completly? its says E: iceape-l10n-be: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127.
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17:02<eric_justin_allan>i tried apt-get -f install and it gave me the same error code.
17:02<eric_justin_allan>I cant install more packages either cause aptitude and synaptic wont install anything if iceape isnt uninstalling properly. Is there a way I can fix this easily?
17:03<Mr-R>paggas: inetd services are started each time a client connects. to ensure reload of a config-file or so just restart inetd service
17:03<robot313>simonrvn: gpg installed? I honestly do not know
17:03<eric_justin_allan>dpkg -P foo gave me this warning also ->dpkg -warning: ignoring request to remove foo which isn't installed
17:03<dpkg>eric_justin_allan: You are moron #2
17:04<eric_justin_allan>seamonkey needed a lib file to install
17:04<paggas>Mr-R: i see, thanks for the info!
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17:04<simonrvn>robot313: gpg --version
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17:04<eric_justin_allan>so I tried iceape from deban and I guess I was to trustworthy of debian because it wrecked any chance of a debian software installation
17:05<simonrvn>eric_justin_allan: think before you blindly copy&paste something someone tells you.
17:05<eric_justin_allan>i did
17:05<robot313>simonrvn: ok it is there. v. 1.4.9
17:06<eric_justin_allan>Internet News and Mailgroup + chat = Seamonkey
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17:06<robot313>I have to go. I will get back on here when I get home. I do appreciate your help simonrvn. I will be back.
17:06<eric_justin_allan>I wanna recommend that actually for debian.
17:07<eric_justin_allan>VI has a bug I hate
17:07<eric_justin_allan>I think
17:07<eric_justin_allan>it may just be me
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17:07<eric_justin_allan>be careful ill ruin your computer for you here.
17:07*eric_justin_allan laughs
17:08<eric_justin_allan>you cant act like your acting blindly
17:08<gravity>I don't think iceape is being well maintained
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17:08<gravity>By upstream
17:08<eric_justin_allan>yea its just there
17:08<eric_justin_allan>i guess gnu doesnt like the name seamonkey.
17:09<eric_justin_allan>so anyone have any idea how to fix that error?
17:09<eric_justin_allan>it accured when I tried to install iceape.deb
17:10*eric_justin_allan shrug
17:10*eric_justin_allan shrugs
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17:12<gravity>eric_justin_allan: What is the error? Can you pastebin it?
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17:13<eric_justin_allan>i tried to install iceape and it didnt work. actually it installed part of itself that cant be removed with dpkg sunaptic or aptitude. How do I remove this program completly? its says E: iceape-l10n-be: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127.
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17:13<eric_justin_allan>E: iceape-l10n-be: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127.
17:13<streuner_>iceape stuff is only in etch...
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17:14<streuner_>why you want to remove that package at all? Keep it, its very useful :-)
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17:16<eric_justin_allan>I cant install more packages cause aptitude and synaptic wont install anything if iceape isnt uninstalling properly. And I cant uncheck iceape with the install programs
17:16<gravity>eric_justin_allan: You can try to put it on hold and see how that goes
17:16<gravity>eric_justin_allan: You may just have to debug the packaging script though
17:17<streuner_>eric_justin_allan: well, just mv the dpkg's stuff (/var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>/ into /tmp, and try apt-get -f install, if you cant do what gravity told you
17:17<eric_justin_allan>its even listed under broken
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17:18<eric_justin_allan>highlighted in red with a red x that cant be removed from a green install box
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17:18<streuner_>eric_justin_allan: mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/iceape.* /tmp - apt-get -f install
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17:19<streuner_>eric_justin_allan: mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/iceape*.* /tmp - apt-get -f install - or that
17:19<streuner_>(dirty hack)
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17:21<nfh>hi ..
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17:21<eric_justin_allan>its funny cause the binary messes up the keys on my keyboard and I get scolded for not watching how well I type
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17:24<eric_justin_allan>it let me install. You have any better fixes up your sleeve though cause I hate to leave it the way it is
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17:24<eric_justin_allan>it even made funny noises inside the computer that it shouldnt have made
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17:25<eric_justin_allan>actually thats prolly someone exploiting a bug but i would really like to fix that problem right
17:27<streuner_>it isnt
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17:28<streuner_>due to a problem of maintaining iceape, this package isnt supported at all
17:28<eric_justin_allan>no problem
17:28<simonrvn>i very very much doubt it's "an exploit".
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17:29<eric_justin_allan>thanks again though!
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17:30<eric_justin_allan>If You can come up wigth any better fixes please let me know some time.
17:31<streuner_>no, we told you already
17:31<streuner_>fix the script postrm or just use the dirty hack
17:31<eric_justin_allan>If anyone can think of a better way to fix this please let me know some time.
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17:38<EmleyMoor>I've just inserted a DVD and sound is playing from it but I don't know how!
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17:40<streuner_>sounds like GNOME
17:41<mjt>automount is something.. different :)
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17:41<gravity>EmleyMoor: Look on your various virtual desktops for totem or soundjuicer or something similar open and playing
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17:48<Gun_Smoke>am I missing something here with the package libnews-newsrc-perl? the description says it is supposed to help configure the .newsrc file.. But I can't seem to figure the darn thing out and the documentation for the package is about nothing..
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17:48<Gun_Smoke>Description: Manage newsrc files
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17:48<gravity>Gun_Smoke: It's just a perl module
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17:49<jainoxi>hey guys
17:49<gravity>Gun_Smoke: You need a program that actually uses that module if you want an application
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17:49<Gun_Smoke>gravity, what do I do with that?
17:49<gravity>Gun_Smoke: You write a script that uses it to do what you want. It's a library.
17:49<Gun_Smoke>gravity, ah.. I see.. nm..
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17:49<jainoxi>how can I find out what the method= string should be when manually installing debian?
17:50<jainoxi>I'm looking for a i386 mirror for testing
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17:52<eric_justin_allan>dang I wish it worked. I like seamonkey so Im more thankful tha it was available
17:53<eric_justin_allan>plus my computer has some kind of wierd AI glitch in it.
17:53<streuner_>!listvals seamonkey
17:53<dpkg>Factoid search of 'seamonkey' by value (6): icelizard ;; iceape lenny ;; iceape ;; mozilla ;; seamonkey ;; prefbar.
17:54<eric_justin_allan>what browser do you use with linux?
17:54<streuner_>firecrap, what else?
17:54<simonrvn>"AI glitch"?
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17:54<dpkg>hmm... iceape is The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. See <iceape lenny>.
17:54<eric_justin_allan>Artificialy intelligent programming
17:56<eric_justin_allan>you know liek the things they use to know the sequince of keystrikes when undermining a password and the frequency of an accurrance that triggers an action and also actions that trigger actions and stuff
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17:56<simonrvn>that's not ai.
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17:57<eric_justin_allan>what would you call it then?
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18:01<simonrvn>smart programming
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18:06<aas>i have a problem with my ati card... i can't start linux when i try tu use it, but if i start running with the integrated card it works
18:07<aas>lspci... VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
18:07<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>.
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18:09<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI., For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (most models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>.
18:09<dpkg>fglrx is probably "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at . See also <radeon>. #ati @
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18:11<aas>!fglrx one-liner
18:11<dpkg>Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Lenny users: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf). Etch users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select fglrx.
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18:16<aas>i use nano /etc/apt/source.list but is empty, am i doing something wrong?
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18:22<spyroboy>debian testing, Linux britestar #15 SMP Wed Apr 9 16:38:13 EDT 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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18:22<spyroboy>E: I wasn't able to locate file for the python-reportbug package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
18:22<spyroboy>E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download
18:22<spyroboy>any idea what that means?
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18:45<aas>i'm triying to install ati drivers as wiki.debian say, But i have aproblem, it say that couldn't find linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686, i just find linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 to install and installed it but doesn't work
18:45<aas>any idea?
18:46<aas>have to be linux headers 1 ?
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18:46<themill>install linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 -- and whereever you see 2.6.26-1- replace it with 2.6.26-2-
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18:49<openback>Hi, I'm trying to install Debian 5 from a USB drive using unetbootin, but the installation fails when looking for the non-existant cdrom drive, I've tried mounting the USB drive to /cdrom, but then it fails copying files. Any ideas?
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18:50<Guest2382>did u set boot from usb in bios? :>
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18:51<openback>Guest2382: yeah, It boots fine, this error is from within the installer
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18:52<Guest2382>no idea, sorry
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18:54<bja_>!judd versions gcc
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18:54<bja_>judd: versions gcc
18:55<judd>bja_: gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 squeeze: 4:4.3.3-2 sid: 4:4.3.3-3
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18:56<bja_>I'am trying to install vmware on my lenny machine, it complains about the version of the gcc compiler, ig asks for the 4.1.
18:56<bja_>Question: How do I downgrade gcc
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18:57<bja_>BTW how do i thake the underscore from my nick??
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18:57<adb> so > /nick bja
18:58<bja_>adb: thanks
18:58<themill>judd: versions gcc-4.1
18:58<judd>themill: gcc-4.1 -- etch: 4.1.1-21 lenny: 4.1.2-25 sid: 4.1.2-25 squeeze: 4.1.2-25
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18:58<themill>dpkg: tell bja about vmware compiler fix
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18:59<adb>judd: versions gcc
18:59<judd>adb: gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 squeeze: 4:4.3.3-2 sid: 4:4.3.3-3
18:59<chahibi>why don't they sell domains directly?
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19:03<openback>arrgh, I want to install Debian on my HP Mini ;__;
19:04<amphi>why can't you?
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19:05<openback>I'm trying to install Debian 5 from a USB drive using unetbootin, but the installation fails when looking for the non-existant cdrom drive, I've tried mounting the USB drive to /cdrom, but then it fails copying files.
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19:06<aas>it seems like when i use m-a a-i fglrx , it still trying to download linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 and doesnt find it
19:07<aas>maybe ading a dir to download that and not the version 2
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19:08<adb>uname -r ?
19:09<abrotman>aas: it's been removed .. should be -2-
19:10<amphi>openback: did you look at the usb install bit of the install guide?
19:11<openback>amphi: I'm ashamed to say that I did not, as I didn't think it would be officially supported like that
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19:11<abrotman>!usb install
19:11<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide , see "usb stick" section, for images. (Older, outdated articles and
19:11<aas>but , when i try to install ati drivers and i do m-a a-i fglrx , it is looking for -1- to download and couldn't find. (i also installed -2-)
19:11<themill>aas: are you currently running a -1- or -2- kernel? Check uname -r. It's easiest to reboot into the new kernel and then compile things with m-a. (You may want to "apt-get update ; m-a prepare" once you've rebooted)
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19:12<abrotman>judd: versions linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686
19:12<judd>abrotman: linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 -- lenny-security: 2.6.26-13lenny2
19:12<abrotman>judd: versions linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686
19:13<judd>abrotman: linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26-15 squeeze: 2.6.26-15
19:13<abrotman>eh .. i thought -1- had been removed
19:13<aas>whwre can i find it?
19:13<openback>abrotman, amphi: arrgh, working from VistAIDS right now, so I can't even use those instructions now
19:13<themill>aas: reboot into your -2- kernel.
19:14<themill>abrotman: no... and it seems that no-one gets worried about the version in the security repo being older than in the main repo.
19:14<abrotman>themill: doens't that seem bad ?
19:14<simonrvn>openback: i prefer hastalavista
19:15<aas>should i install linux headers -1- ?
19:16<simonrvn>adb: it's a play on words dude ;).
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19:17<adb>simonrvn: i understood that ;)
19:18<simonrvn>good :)
19:18<amphi>openback: Vista IDS?
19:18<themill>aas: no. reboot so that you are running 2.6.26-2-686
19:18<simonrvn>didn't know vista had an ids.... what's it called, shutdown?
19:18<openback>adb: I guess I will try the netboot now, thanks
19:19<openback>amphi: no, no
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19:24<jidm>locklace My computer is fine now !!
19:25<jidm>just for the record: i've been affected by a bug in splashy
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19:25<jidm>a version in testing that has a problem with the init processes
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19:26<jidm>i solved the problem by downloading the version in unstable, and installing with dpkg -i splashy....
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19:27<jidm>my problem was (if anyone more is interested) i upgraded from testing to squeeze, and had problems with hal, cause of the splashy bug
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19:28<jidm>so no wireless and mouse were working for me. Now it's all fine again. Thanks!
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19:28<locklace>good to know
19:30<aas>ready, it seems that is downlowdinf linux headers -2-... uname -r 2.6.26-2-486
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19:31<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
19:32<aas>now it say that i have to stop gdm and close the x windows system
19:32<aas>so i will
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19:33<Ethaniel>I have this doubt since the latest "dist-upgrade" using Debian Lenny. Now, in the boot menu, I have four entries instead of two.
19:33<weasel>lenny r1 added an updated kernel with a different abi, hence the -2
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19:34<Ethaniel>Exactly. So, do I need to remove the old entries or delete something...?
19:34<weasel>you could remove the old, the -1 kernel-image packages
19:34<Ethaniel>Do I have something redundant in my installation, like two kernels or something...?
19:34<weasel>but why not let them installed in case something ever screws up your current kernel
19:35<engy>apropos kernl :)
19:35<abrotman>Ethaniel: for the old kernels? you can remove them if you're not using htem and everything works in your current kernel
19:35<engy>how to set the country forcfg80211 Debian-style?
19:35<weasel>you can have scores of different kernels installed. you'll only use one at a time, but hey
19:35<locklace>Ethaniel: having some backup kernels around is a good idea
19:35<locklace>Ethaniel: keep two or three versions at least, and when more show up you can start to remove the oldest ones
19:36<Ethaniel>Good to know. Everything is working perfectly so, I'll leave it that way.
19:36<bja>locklace: if you get to pack 3 kernels with all their modules on 259M give me a call.
19:36<engy>one thing that hinders me using more than 2 kernels: I have a too small /boot ;-)
19:37<bja>259M is the default size for the / partition on a debian system.
19:37<locklace>bja: you can, but i'm all for getting rid of initrd and dead driver code
19:38<bja>locklace: what you are implying is that a single initrd, can infact load diferent kernels ??
19:39<locklace>no, i'm saying get rid of initrd altogether if you can
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19:40<bja>ok I'm lost where can I read a full description of the boot process ??
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19:41<locklace>your mba bootloader chain-loads its stage2 from the active partition, then loads and jumps to the kernel, which initialises itself and then calls init to run the rc scripts and start all your stuff
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19:44<bja>Well i get thtat part but the 2nd stage of grub is the one that calls initrd to load the kernel and the is the responsable to merge the actual ram disk with the / filesystem??
19:44<engy>the kernel calls initrd
19:45<locklace>that was the non-initrd version
19:45<locklace>initrd is a hack
19:45<simonrvn>bootloader -> kernel -> initrd -> init -> rest of system
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19:45<engy>quite old but still the same old story :D
19:46<engy>ok, init is nowadays going to be replaced
19:47<chahibi>I used to be able to install the broadcom wifi driver following
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19:47<chahibi>but not on kernel 2.6.29
19:47<bja>engy: thanks downloaded the page nice nightstand read
19:47<simonrvn>engy: with what, exactly? upstart?
19:47<chahibi>What should I change to make -C /lib/modules/<2.6.xx.xx>/build M=`pwd` ?
19:48<engy>for example
19:48<simonrvn>still needs maturing...
19:48<engy>that's why i said "going to be" :D
19:48<locklace>X is "going to be" replaced with a real window system too
19:49<engy>the main problem will be that none of the existing initscripts expects to be run in parallel, so no problem with race conditions etc exist today
19:49<engy>na, X will never be changed ^^
19:49<simonrvn>locklace: o_O
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19:50<engy>X is flexible enough to survive a nuclear explosion while being mounted to the nuke
19:50<bja>cahibi: I have also a broadcom wifi card, no way of seting it up, I'm all eyes to see how to fix it
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19:52<bja>is there a way to record mac addresses on an iptables firewall??
19:52<Ethaniel>I only know X, is there something else that can do the same as X?
19:53<johns>Any ideas why my console keymap setting isn't sticking between boots in sid? I have to dpkg-reconfigure console-data on each boot to set it.
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19:54<simonrvn>bja: your logs. that only works if it's on the same network; otherwise, you won't see MAC addresses.
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19:57<bja>simnrvn: Someone on my network, is trying to due unauthorized access, but from different local ips, I have a cleu how can be, but i need to link the ip to a more permanent record on the computer.
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19:58<bja>Its either that or the network acces point has been hacked 3 times in the last week
19:58<bja>btw have you read this
19:58<simonrvn>bja: then you can record it. so set up some logging rules in your iptables ruleset.
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20:03<simonrvn>bja: good luck
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20:09<gravity>locklace: wtf are you talking about?
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20:09<gravity>Unless that's sarcasm I'm not catching
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20:10<gravity>johns: Seriously?
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20:10<gravity>I don't think anything should be touching that file
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20:12<johns>gravity: yeah, it reverts back to azerty on boot, then I reconfigure it to dvorak, but next boot it's back to Belgium.
20:13<johns>this system was created with debootstrap and it's my first time doing that so I probably didn't do something or did something wrong
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20:14<gravity>That shouldn't matter really
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20:15<gravity>I shold probably know this package backwards and forwards anyway...
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20:17<gravity>Oh neat, ~/.console-setup. Well done.
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20:24<gravity>johns: I don't really see what would be happening. The init script just runs setupcon, which checks to see if the file is present, and sources it if ~/.console-setup doesn't exist
20:25<gravity>johns: You could try just dropping a copy of the correct file in to ~/.console-setup and seeing if that works...
20:25<gravity>It should get used if I'm reading this right
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20:33<gravity>johns: Also try running 'setupcon --save-only' when you've configured your keyboard as you want
20:33<gravity>Although that shouldn't make a difference
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20:34<enouf>johns: something screwy with your /etc/console*/boottimekmap.gz file or something
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20:35<enouf>besides console-data - there's also console-* pkgs
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20:37<gravity>At this point I'd grep through your files in init.d to see what might be touching it
20:37<enouf>file:///etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz is the actual file here; also make sure /etc/console-tools/* files aren't messing with you - maybe your initrd sucks ass
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20:38<gravity>The keymap being altered shouldn't cause the config file to be rewritten. That only seems to happen in the postinst of the console-setup scripts
20:40<enouf>i recall atleast 4 choices when running dpkg-reconfigure console-<something> and one mentions "Should we allow you to alter keymap config through kernel" or someshit ... IOW, if you get that wrong, you won't be able to alter your keymap across reboots and such
20:41<enouf>i recall me needing a few hours to read all the text and make any sense of it - .. did it once long ago, and now have forgotten everything about it
20:42<gravity>console-common, console-data, and console-setup are the only ones with debconf questions. And console-setup owns /etc/default/console-setup
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20:42<gravity>Or at least, any of the three packages it carries own it
20:42<enouf>yeah - that's the one
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20:46<gravity>Yeah, unless the console-setup postinst is getting re-run on each boot for some bizarre reason, I've no idea why that file would be overwritten
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20:51<binarymutant>whats ?
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20:55<aas>i cuoldn't make it work
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21:01<aas><themill> it doesn't work
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21:01<abrotman>it is?
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21:01<aas>it seems like when i chenge in the xorg.conf
21:01<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>.
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21:02<dpkg>from memory, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at . See also <radeon>. #ati @
21:02<aas>that page
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21:02<aas>in the 8 step
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21:02<aas>i did that but doesn't work
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21:06<abrotman>check your X logs
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21:13<aas>i'm getting crazy
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21:14<|Source|>I AM crazy :S
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21:15<aas>i used dsm from a live cd and it worked with the ati card by itselft
21:15<aas>debian and wifislax didn't work
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21:17<binarymutant>aas, what's the model #?
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21:18<aas>ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
21:19<abrotman>oh ... that doesn't need fglrx i dont' think
21:19<abrotman>hrm .. maybe it does
21:19<binarymutant>probably was dropped from support
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21:19<abrotman>i don't see firegl in the radeon manpage
21:19<abrotman>i do see rv250 though
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21:21<binarymutant>ati dropped my own card too :/
21:21<binarymutant>the floss drivers might work
21:21<abrotman>i just said didn't see his exact model in the man page
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21:25<aas>maybe something is missing in my xorg.conf
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21:42<johns>gravity: thanks, checking those things out now (sorry, comcast failed yet again)
21:42<gravity>johns: No worries
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21:58<mtc>aas: have you considered using radeonHD drivers instead of fglrx ?
21:59<aas>well, it say that is for etch but i'm thinking on using it
22:00<mtc>the open source 3d drivers for those ati cards --- they have dri working for the most part now, too
22:00<aas>reading some case that worked but dind't say in which one they isntalled it
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22:01<johns>gravity: why are there so many init scripts that potentially mess with the keymap..
22:02<johns>gravity: I just tried telling console-data to leave the keymap alone
22:02<gravity>johns: Any that actually touch that file though?
22:02<johns>and did install-keymap dvorak
22:02<johns>(which the doc for console-data suggests)
22:02<johns>reboot, back to azerty
22:03<gravity>johns: It's just console-date you have installed? Not any of the other variants?
22:03<johns>gravity: there is also console-setup
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22:03<gravity>johns: console-setup is responsible for /etc/default/console-setup, which is how you're suppose to configure things
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22:04<gravity>johns: Didn't you say that's the file that gets overwritten?
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22:04<aas>mtc: where can i find that?
22:04<johns>gravity: no, I'm not sure what's getting overwritten, the timestamp on boottime.kmap.gz is suspicious but I have to boot again to verify that due to separate problems with clock to be sure
22:04<gravity>Ok, now I'm confused
22:05<gravity>johns: Configure with console-setup
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22:05<mtc>aas: make sure radeonhd is installed (with apt-get) and then add the driver to your xorg.conf
22:06<mtc>aas: it may already be in use - check your x log file
22:06<aas>sorry, how can i do that?
22:06<mtc>aas: you will find there are many, many less kernel problems with the open source driver, vs the closed fglrx driver
22:07<johns>gravity: right, that doesn't ask about layout
22:08<gravity>johns: And can you configure it in /etc/default/console-setup?
22:08<johns>oh ffs
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22:08<gravity>I'm confused now
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22:09<johns>gravity: now I understand, *of course* I'm supposed XKBLAYOUT for my...console layout.
22:09<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>.
22:09<johns>gravity: I didn't read the comments above those options closely before, since they started with X
22:10<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI., For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (most models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>.
22:10<gravity>johns: Yeah, that's a little weird
22:10<mtc>aas: it is radeonHD
22:10<gravity>aas: /msg dpkg foo
22:10<johns>gravity: I suspect that will work now, I'll reboot
22:10<aas>sorry, i'm new here
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22:10<mtc>aas: do ' grep radeonhd /var/log/Xorg.0.log '
22:11<mtc>see if it is present already
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22:12<aas>grep radeonhd /var/log/Xorg.0.log..... nothing
22:13<aas>mtc: the page says it is for rs5xx, 6xx
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22:13<mtc>aas: did you download anything from the ATI website?
22:13<aas>my card is rv250
22:13<mtc>aas: good
22:13<aas>i dindn't
22:14<mtc>did you fool with your xorg.conf ?
22:14<aas>i changed some thins as the page said, but i didn't work, so i set it as the original and it worked again (with the integrated card)
22:15<johns>gravity: Yeah, that worked, and it's pretty cool to just be able to put ctrlswap:nocaps in for the console now, but still that's confusing.
22:15<mtc>you have a RV250 >
22:15<mtc>aas: you sure?
22:16<johns>gravity: I did see on boot this time that setupcon errored trying to do something with cached keymap because the file system was still read-only
22:16<aas>lspci: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
22:16<gravity>johns: Yeah, I'm not sure what the right fix would be to make that clearer
22:16<johns>gravity: actually I guess I'm not sure the caps lock option worked, since I have something for that in rc.local
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22:17<aas>i think somthing is wrong or missing in the xorg.conf but i don't know much about it
22:17<mtc>aas: in that case you want the "radeon" driver
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22:17<gravity>radeon is default, you shouldn't force it
22:17<mtc>aas: put your xorg.conf on
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22:17<gravity>aas: Did you try running with no xorg.conf?
22:17<johns>gravity: I mean, just renaming the options I guess, other than xemacs and xargs there isn't much that runs in the console that starts with X :)
22:17<mtc>gravity: ah - good to know
22:18<gravity>johns: Yeah, it's optimizing for the common case
22:18<aas>if it helps, i used a live cd of dsl and it worked with the ati radeon by itselft
22:18<gravity>aas: You didn't install fglrx, did you?
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22:19<aas>gravity: i did what wiki.debian said to install fglrx and everythink looks fin untile the 8 step
22:19*gravity sighs
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22:20<gravity>Well, I don't know what to do with fglrx
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22:21<mtc>aas: the fglrx is closed source and problematic
22:22<johns>gravity: anyhow, thanks for the tips, just working on getting the console set up comfortably here because the X server doesn't run yet :)
22:22<aas>grep radeonhd /var/log/Xorg.0.log... nothing hapen
22:22<gravity>johns: Gotcha. Well, the good news is that the settings are now unified, so you don't have to do anything else to get it working right for X.
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22:23<johns>gravity: That's worth the confusion for me I guess.
22:23<cesurasean>anyone have a clue why the upgrade to lenny is now making this warning on my boot log? Starting ftp server: proftpd - warning: the DisplayFirstChdir directive is deprecated and will be removed in a future release. Please use the DisplayChdir directive.
22:24<gravity>cesurasean: Presumably you have to adjust your config file for proftpd
22:24<mtc>aas: try just grep radeon
22:24<cesurasean>it seems the config file didn't update with the upgrade
22:24<cesurasean>do you mind posting the config file for proftpd at pastebin for me?
22:25<gravity>cesurasean: I don't have one. I just read the error message.
22:25<gravity>This should be easy
22:25<cesurasean>it seems I didn't overwrite the new config file
22:25<cesurasean>can you install proftpd and send me the config file?
22:25<gravity>cesurasean: Just read your config file and update it
22:25<gravity>Like the message tells you
22:25<cesurasean>well, someone sent me this link -
22:25<cesurasean>but, I don't know how to use it
22:26<mtc>aas: put your logfile on if you can
22:26<aas>mtc: it doesnt answer i think or didn't finished
22:26<gravity>cesurasean: You shouldn't be running an ftp server if you don't know anything about it
22:26<aas>newbie question: where can i see the log file?
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22:27<gravity>aas: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
22:27<gravity>learn it and love it
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22:29<cesurasean>gravity, can you not just send me the updated config file real quick?
22:29<cesurasean>I'll install on a VM and get the config file
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22:32<gravity>No wonder. You need to tell it to load radeon.
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22:33<enouf>he's got a radeon card using the intel driver? yikes ...
22:33<gravity>Well he's got integrated intel also, so it's selecting that one
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22:33<jrabbit>He needs to disable it in BIOS
22:33<gravity>So yeah, just tell it to load radeon instead and it should work
22:33<jrabbit>but there should be a way to fix it
22:33<jrabbit>stupid new X11
22:33<enouf>ahh .. welp aas disable that integrated crap in the BIOS
22:34<jrabbit>changing xorg.conf was the worst mistake in my opinion of all desktop linux
22:34<aas>yes, when i select it from the bios the system doesnt start, it crash even if i use text mode only
22:34<jrabbit>video always breaks
22:34<gravity>jrabbit: xorg.conf didn't change
22:34<gravity>Not in a meaningful way anyhow
22:35<jrabbit>Yeah it did, in the newer xorgs it's not created
22:35<gravity>That's not changed
22:35<gravity>You can still create a xorg.conf just like you wanted to.
22:36<gravity>It's just that the server is smarter than the script that used to do it
22:36<gravity>So I killed the script
22:36<jrabbit>because a user wants to bcreate 300 line file by hand
22:36<abrotman>the user doesn't have to
22:36<gravity>jrabbit: The user shouldn't have to create most of it
22:36<jrabbit>thoguh you could do parts i guess
22:36<gravity>They can create only what they want to specify
22:36<gravity>Which is a new thing
22:36<johns>gravity: Nice, the ctrl:nocaps option does work for the console now, that's great.
22:36<jrabbit>I allways had to use that
22:36<gravity>johns: Rockin'
22:36<johns>gravity: I do think it would be easier if the default level of dpkg-reconfigure console-setup acutally asked about the keymap
22:37<gravity>jrabbit: Anyway, the xserver-xorg package in unstable now comes with an example file that someone can copy and use as a template for their own
22:37<jrabbit>i donno it's probably worse on ubuntu type shit where the drivers don't work even when you do have them :P
22:37<gravity>If you want to do stupid things, then you're welcome to. We're just not going to spend our time automating it for you
22:37<jrabbit>gravity: mm well I haven't be using any linux graphically
22:37<eric_justin_allan>just wanted to say thankyou again for this operating system
22:37<gravity>jrabbit: Then why are you complaining? Theoretical problems?
22:37<abrotman>so you don't use linux graphically .. but complain about xorg?
22:38<jrabbit>abrotman: that's why I gave up on xorg
22:38<abrotman>jrabbit: because it doesn't things automatically for you?
22:38<gravity>johns: I'm actually surprised it doesn't
22:38<jrabbit>I don't know what you're trying to defend
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22:38<gravity>Well, I'm trying to defend my work
22:38<jrabbit>the fact that you know betetr then the user or that xorg knows better then the user
22:39<abrotman>"I hate it when software doesn't things for me, I want to work harder, not smarter"
22:39<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch> <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @
22:39<gravity>jrabbit: In fact, Xorg does know better than the user in most cases.
22:39<gravity>jrabbit: And I can promise you absolutely positively that the X server is smarter at detecting things at runtime than the script that created xorg.conf and XF86Config-4 ever did
22:39<gravity>jrabbit: And when the X sever doesn't know, then you can override it in your xorg.conf. That's why it's there.
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22:41<tcsetattr>real user experiences aren't just composed of built-in autodetection vs. external script autodetection. There's also "the installer asked me what resolution to use, and I told it, and it worked" which has disappeared
22:41<gravity>aas: Add the following to an empty xorg.conf file:
22:42<gravity>tcsetattr: xrandr
22:42<abrotman>or associated tools
22:42<jrabbit>I donno I never had a positive experince when xorg.conf got removed
22:42<gravity>Exactly. Your desktop should be taking care of providing nice interfaces for such things.
22:42<jrabbit>might have changed
22:42<jrabbit>Never selected the right drivers for composting etc
22:42<johns>my media box with intel video over HDMI running testing works wonderfully with no xorg.conf file at all
22:42<gravity>There's only one driver of note for each chip.
22:43<gravity>Unless you want it to automatically select non-free drivers, which we're not going to help you with
22:43<gravity>radeon is a superset of radeonhd, so we choose radeon as our default there
22:43<jrabbit>gravity: I'm not saying that I'm sayign that it's significantly harder for a pwoer user to change drivers.
22:44<abrotman>no it's not
22:44<gravity>jrabbit: Not at all
22:44<abrotman>jrabbit: define your process before versus now
22:44<jrabbit>How not.
22:44<jrabbit>abrotman: open xorg.conf change one line
22:44<gravity>jrabbit: How was it so much easier before?
22:44<jrabbit>exit restart xorg
22:44<gravity>jrabbit: open xorg.conf, add three lines
22:44<gravity>restart xorg.conf
22:44<abrotman>xorg.conf is hard, let's go shopping
22:45<tcsetattr>adding 3 lines to a file with a non-trivial grammar is quite different from changing a single token in that same file
22:45<gravity>tcsetattr: I thought we were talking about power users
22:45<gravity>And again... no one should have to change drivers. 99% of people have only one option of note.
22:45<jrabbit>gravity: a normal user probably will never change drivers.
22:46<abrotman>and a power user should be able to add three lines
22:46<gravity>If you're a power user swapping cards in and out, the X server should just pick it up for you
22:46<abrotman>certainly be able to read a man page and/or use X -configure
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22:46<jrabbit>Thats not what i was told
22:46<aas>gravity i did the new xorg.conf file
22:46<gravity>Also, you're forgetting that if you're not a power user, bringing up external monitors, as in laptops connecting to projectors, is significantly easier now
22:46<jrabbit>When they did it they said NO XORG.CONF
22:46<jrabbit>Which is stupid.
22:46<jrabbit>And definitely not what you outlined
22:47<abrotman>who told you that?
22:47<gravity>jrabbit: I'm almost certainly more of an authority on this than whoever you talked to, unless you were chatting with Keith Packard. Even then... in the context of Debian I'm the authority on this one.
22:48<gravity>I hate appealing to that, but if you're going to bring things up that way
22:48<jrabbit>I think I was using ubuntu at the time. but it's the whole xorg moving from it without those idiots knowing it
22:48<gravity>We're still shipping xorg.conf in lenny, btw
22:48<gravity>Only just now in sid do we not need one
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22:48<jrabbit>gravity: point was, it absolutely sucked then :P and the autodetection was going batshit crazy
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22:49<gravity>I was very careful about it in Debian and got very few complaints
22:49<jrabbit>I'd expect it works better :P
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22:49<gravity>aas: And?
22:50<jrabbit>anywho do you know if older graphics cards support (in debian)
22:51<abrotman>how old? which card?
22:51<jrabbit>Or is it dependant on new hardware
22:51*abrotman throws a pile of S3 cards at gravity
22:51<jrabbit>abrotman: like some Ati Rage model
22:51<jrabbit>OLD. :D
22:51<abrotman>those should work fine .. there's not much to them
22:52<aas>gravity i'm lost in the conversation. i did a new xorg.conf u said. Now i think i shoult try with that right?
22:52<jrabbit>wait not that old...
22:52<abrotman>jrabbit: do you have it in the machine you're using now?
22:52<jrabbit>It's a radeon of sorts i think
22:52<gravity>abrotman: No thanks
22:52<gravity>aas: Yes, of course
22:52<abrotman>gravity: i've got some at work .. they work great for console cards
22:52<jrabbit>abrotman: yeah it's in this box
22:52<abrotman>jrabbit: lspci -nn | grep VGA
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22:52<abrotman>should return one line
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22:53<jrabbit>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] [1002:5b60]
22:53<abrotman>that's old ?
22:53<jrabbit>5 years? :P
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22:54<abrotman>supposedly the 'radeon' driver in lenny supports that
22:54<jrabbit>Older then the graphics card in my laptop
22:54<gravity>I think that's r300, which is somewhat problematic
22:54<gravity>It kind of fell through the cracks upstream, but it'll work in debian if it works anywhere really
22:54<jrabbit>hm well I was just looking at trying to use/abuse it for something now that it's headless
22:56<abrotman>i think you can use GPUs for folding?
22:56<jrabbit>Yeah i tihnk so there's a few of these mutlitasking APIs outthere
22:57<jrabbit> is one
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22:57<jrabbit>oh yeah folding@hoem can use it via that
22:57*jrabbit might have to set that up
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22:58<ranix>wtf folding at home
22:59*jrabbit should work on the human folding proejct some more
22:59<jrabbit>i kind of forgot about it
22:59<ranix>has anyone done a study of utility vs energy expenditure on folding @ home?
23:00<ranix>wonder how many kilotons of co2 that project has dumped into the atmosphere
23:00<jrabbit>miht be slightly better then a supercomputer
23:00<ranix>scuse me for being skeptical
23:00<ranix>you mean shittons worse because of lossy power supplies in home pcs?
23:00<enouf>the answer is always ...
23:01<gravity>"How does this protein fold?" "42"
23:01*gravity is sick of geek humor originating from the '70's
23:01<enouf>someone mentioned seti? :-O
23:01<ranix>of course. It was anyone out the look more like, a perfect free throw
23:01<ranix>how could I have been so blind
23:02<ranix>whoa this isn't #debian-offtopic
23:02<ranix>how did I get here? I am not good at internets
23:02<jrabbit>theres a #debian-offtopic
23:02<ranix>enouf: this is all your fault
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23:04<lintian>interesting conversation
23:04<lintian>I love thr high teck
23:05<lintian>I did not want to but in but I a new to all this
23:05<jrabbit>Bastards. I don't think it works on GPUs and linux at all
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23:07<lintian>ok by
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23:07<ranix>I think we gave lintian a case of the sillies
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23:08<lintian>whats new
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23:09<lintian>I know
23:10<lintian>I was on the xfce and I discoverd this
23:11<lintian>in the hope that I could get help
23:11<lintian>I ges I am wrong
23:11<hobophobe>My raid drives are now being put in some /dev/mapper, which means mdadm doesn't see them and therefore doesn't assemble the raid. From what I understand this is caused by 'dmraid'? Do I just need to use dmsetup to remove the mapping?
23:12<lintian>I have raid 0 and it is not working at all
23:13<hobophobe>That's what I just said.
23:13<hobophobe>Do you use mdadm?
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23:13<lintian>raid 0 useing the promise chip
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23:17<lintian>what is dmraid
23:17<cesurasean1>anyone know why I'm getting this error? Makefile:140: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop.
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23:18<ranix>lintian: can a sniper hit yoy where you're sitting right now?
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23:18<lintian>who me
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23:19<ranix>yeah would he have a clear shot
23:19<ranix>cesurasean1: try apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` ?
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23:19<enouf>hobophobe ..... oh well .. another one bites the dust
23:20<ranix>s/kernel/linux/ if that doesn't work
23:20<lintian>what are you trying to do ?
23:20<enouf>cesurasean1: building some nvidia module?
23:20<cesurasean1>E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.26-2-686
23:20<cesurasean1>no, I'm using Virtualbox.
23:21<cesurasean1>I ran an apt-get autoremove and it broke my Virtualbox
23:21<enouf>vbox has nothing to do with make
23:21<cesurasean1>vbox says I need to run an install script again for kernel modules
23:22<cesurasean1>but fails
23:22<enouf>you probably wanted autoclean anyway
23:22<lintian>I was thinking about useing that last year
23:22<cesurasean1>enouf, how do I find the kernel headers package?
23:22<cesurasean1>E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.26-2-686 doesn't work
23:22<enouf>judd: versions linux-headers-2.6-686
23:22<judd>enouf: linux-headers-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 squeeze: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 sid: 2.6.29+18
23:23<enouf>cesurasean1: ranix corrected himself
23:24<cesurasean1>ok, I installed linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686
23:24<cesurasean1>now im getting another error
23:24<enouf>what does uname -r say?
23:24<cesurasean1>Vbox is working now. :)
23:24<cesurasean1>thanks guys
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23:26<lintian>I gues all you guys are develpers
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23:26<lintian>I am useing pure dyne
23:27<lintian>live drive
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23:36<aas>it didn't work =/
23:37<aas>and also , i'm having problems with the energy in my house, i don't know what is happening
23:37<ranix>you need some Feng Shui
23:38<ranix>direct the good energy in and the bad energy out
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23:38<aas>gravity: still there?
23:39<aas>he left
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23:51<jaaaaakke>hey all, i've installed debian but can't locate my wireless network.. i am using an ath5k_pci driver.. can someone help me get started looking for it?
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23:57<chealer>jaaaaakke: just ask your question
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23:58<jaaaaakke>how do i locate my wireless network?
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