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00:10<shamanix>Nemoder do you know where syneptic stores the packages if you select download only?
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00:10<Nemoder>shamanix: /var/cache/apt/archives I believe
00:12<shamanix>cool, it does store it there, thanx for the info
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00:46<vinno>okay, starting awesome just gives me a black blank screen, hmm
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00:48<mtc>was having all these problems with USB that I thought was the new debian install - but turns out they all went away after I reset the BIOS to default .. sigh
00:49<dondelelcaro>vinno: hit alt4-enter
00:49<mtc>just wanted to say I had no idea there were so many options for usb in the bios
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00:53<deadcat>enouf: whats the hdparm command you wanted me to run to get my 1.5TB drive info?
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01:02<zhxk>how to have intall newwork monitor Applet right top to gnome like ubuntu have?
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01:07<debam>hi to all, i have downloaded lenny repo in my system,i like to add some search engine like debian that in locally i can get package path or name using web can i get it?
01:07<debam>i am using apache web server
01:08<deadcat>my / is 10G and my /home is on diff partition, but for some reason / seems to be including /home when i do df and its filling to 100% fast.
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01:42<zhxk> excuse me, how to solve this problem? applate shows there has no nic configuration:
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01:47<dpkg>cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
01:47<dpkg>hmm... cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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02:12<zhxk>!start an editor war
02:12<dpkg>xemacs blows
02:12<zhxk>!start an editor war
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02:12<zhxk>!start an editor war
02:12<dpkg> bites
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02:41<zhxk>folks, how to configure a adsl connections?
02:42<blarson>zhxk: Depends. DHCP? PPOE?
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02:44<gsimmons>!tell zhxk -about pppoe
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02:48<enouf>zhxk: it;s not appropriate to play one channel against the other .. but no worries
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02:56<zhxk>enouf:what exactly do you mean?
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03:01<zhxk>well, are you the same person on freenode?
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03:03<kevc>anyone use scim or fcitx here? struggling since upgrading to lenny...
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03:13<enouf>zhxk: yes, same person - same "enouf" ;-)
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03:26<Man_of_Wax>why vitrualbox-ose needs to install linux-image2.6-486? THere isn't a virtualbox module compiled against the standard i686?
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03:32<prathibha>While installing gnome-panel-data I am getting the following error, /tmp/gconf-KCMANH/temp.entries:279: parse error: Premature end of data in tag keyline 204
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03:38<prathibha>Is anyone there to help
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03:48<zhxk>which one is better wicd or networknamager?
03:49<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
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03:53<bcw>is there any way to unmount /home while using X? (I want to use the graphical system-config-lvm to resize my /home volume, but can't do that while it's mounted)
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03:55<bcw>it offers to unmount automatically, but that fails since /home is "busy"
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04:01<bcw>the specific error i get is ``umount command failed. Command attempted: "/bin/umount /home" - System Error Message: umount: /home: device is busy [newline] umount: /home: device is busy''
04:01<locklace>bcw: run X as root
04:01<bcw>locklace, but isn't that dangerous?
04:01<cahoot>don't di it X?
04:02<locklace>bcw: everything is dangerous
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04:03<cahoot>bcw: stop you *dm and do what you need to do in console
04:03<bcw>i was hoping for something like redirecting the .xsession-errors file
04:03<locklace>bcw: not anywhere near that trivial
04:04<bcw>cahoot, yeah, that may be what i'll have to do...
04:04<cahoot>what's the use of X in this job anyway?
04:04<bcw>locklace, ok. i have my options, i guess :)
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04:04<locklace>bcw: either do it outside of X, or run X as root; you'll be fine unless you do something stupid, and if you're going to do something stupid you'll very likely do it without X too
04:04<blarson>bcw: Boot a bootable cd, and do it there
04:05<cahoot>sounds like the sensible advice
04:05<bcw>blarson, yeah, i might do that too
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04:05<locklace>there's really no need to boot a rescue disk just to lvresize /home
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04:07<bcw>cahoot, the only use of X in this case is that it gives me a nice GUI that holds my hand while i do something i am not especially familiar with and inherently dangerous
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04:09<locklace>bcw: although if you want actual advice, the advice is to learn to do things like this using the cli
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04:11<bcw>locklace, well, i did do this once before using the cli... and i had to work around an issue at that time (it wouldn't reduce the size, said that functionality had not been implemented yet). i think that was in etch tho, i'm hoping it's better now
04:11<locklace>if you hit an issue like that, a gui layer is only going to make things worse
04:12<bcw>yeah, probably right
04:13<bcw>anyway, i better get some sleep now. night all, and thanks for the suggestions (they were all good)
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04:28<locklace>!beer themill
04:28*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for themill
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04:33<jpvegas>what is the best linux for beginners?
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04:34<cahoot>depends on your purpose
04:35<cahoot>also - I believe lots of people here have forgotten their newbie period
04:36<hellth>try Ubuntu :]
04:36<simonrvn>i must be in the minority then ;).
04:36<zhxk>please, help me to get a wicd:
04:36<locklace>mine was installing linux kernel v0.11
04:36<cahoot>good for you
04:36<locklace>we didn't even have a real init then iirc, just /bin/sh
04:37<simonrvn>i started off on potato, with a mac ppc with 24 MB RAM
04:37<cahoot>he got scared away?
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04:38<hellth>could you little bit help me with my apache2 configuration please ? I've problem with mod rewrite it seems.
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04:38<gsimmons>!tell zhxk -about
04:39<simonrvn>hellth: ask #apache
04:39<hellth>ok thx ;]
04:39<zhxk>gsimmons:what is
04:39<hellth>simonrvn: there is nobody :]
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04:40<simonrvn>i very much doubt that
04:40<gsimmons>zhxk: Read what dpkg told you. Or visit the site in your browser.
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04:40<locklace>hellth: try #httpd on freenode
04:40<simonrvn>oh sorry, on freenode. (i thought this was the freenode #debian)
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04:41<cahoot>simonrvn: you really should know by now
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04:43<simonrvn>i do :). it's late, and lost track of what window i was typing at =).
04:43<r00kie>absolute new to linux and debian and wondering if i've to compile from source (never done it till now) or simply can use the i386-images to get best performance out of a 5th or 6th generation cpu (like AMD K6(-2), Duron and Athlon(XP), Intel Pentium 2 or later). Other distros offer precompiled images vor i686 but can't find one on
04:44<simonrvn>you didn't look hard enough
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04:46<hellth>locklace: they don't talk to me on httpd :(
04:46<r00kie>can't find it on Could you please send me the link to that image?
04:47<zhxk>simonrvn:thank you, well, i apt-spy introduced an error:
04:47<simonrvn>r00kie: or apt-cache
04:48<cahoot>r00kie: the installer is the same - you can get a 686 kernel regardless
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04:49<cahoot>r00kie: AFAIK that's the only 'optimised' package
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04:50<simonrvn>and libc6-686
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04:50<kevin>I have just installed lenny, however, I cannot get a GUI: X server complains: "Fatal server error: lockup". Searched on the Web for answers, but couldn't find this specific problem. Any ideas?
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04:50<cahoot>goes to show how much I know
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04:52<locklace>kevin: did you install the right x server for your card? what card do you have and which X server? what does /var/log/Xorg.log say
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04:58<simonrvn>there's a -ppc64 too IIRC
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04:59<zhxk>my apt-spy introduced an error this is what happend when aptitude update:
04:59<simonrvn>cahoot: for the most part, your statement is correct.
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04:59<kevin>locklace: (wouldn't the debian installation software detect the right version for your computer?) Graphics card have to figure that out: what I can say immediately is that it is a dell dimension 2400 computer, I think it is from about 2003/2004. I used the standard lenny installation image (small CD) which retrieves the most recent versions from the Web, so I guess that I have the latest version of X Server? It says: X.Org X Server 1.4.2, build date 15
04:59<simonrvn>zhxk: so you check what that line says, and correct it.
05:00<cahoot>anyway for practical use the stability and usefulness of debian outshines any possible optimization benefits - r00kie
05:01<simonrvn>no kidding
05:01<simonrvn>you'd have to optimize from the toolchain up....
05:02<simonrvn>wtf does that nowadays, except maybe the bsds, and distros like lfs and archlinux?
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05:02<simonrvn>even then, i bet they don't do the toolchain too (the linux ones)
05:02<zhxk>simonrvn:it had been every well before i issued apt-spy -d lenny, how can i take a reverse? thank you
05:02<simonrvn>fbsd doesn't do it by default (though you can tweak...)
05:02<zhxk>simonrvn:it had been everything well before i issued apt-spy -d lenny, how can i take a reverse? thank you
05:03<simonrvn>zhxk: did you make a backup?
05:03<locklace>kevin: you can do 'aptitude search xserver-xorg-video' to see all the different X server display drivers there are, and also to see which one you have installed (it will have an 'i' in the lefthand column). check your video card type by looking at dmesg or lspci
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05:04<simonrvn>why not?
05:04<locklace>kevin: and the Xorg.log file should have a ton of information about what happens when X starts up, whether it detects your card, hits any problems, etc.
05:04<simonrvn>*sigh*, anyway, check out what the bot say (just a moment)
05:04<simonrvn>!tell zhxk -about mirrors
05:05<simonrvn>shouldn't be too hard to fix.
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05:08<kevin>locklace: I'm on it... I'll report back when I'm done!
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05:10<zhxk>simonrvn:how to use apt-spy? thanks!
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05:10<zhxk>i used netselect, but aptitude update still work incorrect
05:10<simonrvn>check its man page. i've never used it.
05:10<zhxk>how to use apt-spy? thanks!
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05:12<Athos_Xu>I almost have at least one problem while using this version....
05:13<Athos_Xu>now one of my icon on desktop disappeared
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05:22<simonrvn>r00kie: a) don't /msg without asking b) i thought you were talking about a kernel, not an iso. sorry to confuse you.
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05:31<r00kie>simonrvn: a) didn't know that - sorry b) next time i'll ask more precisly c) I'm not a native English speaker but I try my very best ;)
05:31<simonrvn>r00kie: you do pretty darn good
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05:32<r00kie>thx :)
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05:32<simonrvn>r00kie: the i386 isos (or amd64 for that matter) have a special step for the kernel choice, just pick the one you want.
05:32<simonrvn>er, in the installer.. heh
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05:33<simonrvn>too fricking late for me...
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05:37<daniel>hey all
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05:42<daniel>anyone tried out lenny?
05:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
05:43<simonrvn>lenny is current stable....
05:43<shamanix>I did, altough I did a minimalist install, flies like a jet fighter even with 256mb ram :-)
05:43<r00kie>simonrvn: thx i'll try to install it first in VirtualBox like the other distros to get a rough estimation which one will be the best for my purposes ;)
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05:45<daniel>ha ha
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05:45<daniel>hows the (package manager dictating everything) going
05:45<daniel>i hope it is more flexible than ubuntu
05:45<dr|z3d>Flexible? In what sense?
05:46<cahoot>I doubt ubu* uses any other package manager than debian
05:46<shamanix>what did ubuntu use anyway, I totally forgot
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05:47<cahoot>daniel: possibly another frontend
05:47<cahoot>daniel: it's all a matter of leraning to use the tools present
05:47<petemc>the package manager "dictates" dependencies, for good reason, you would generally only see that as a problem if you were trying to do something silly, or something was broken
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05:48<shamanix>well I'm using synaptic as we speek
05:48<shamanix>and of course debian
05:48<daniel>hmm it seems like i don't have as much control as I used to
05:48<daniel>i love how it traces dependencies
05:48<daniel>i guess its a trade off between automation and customizability
05:49<daniel>just gotta learn to hack up the conf's :)
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05:50<shamanix>whats wrong with synaptic, I think it's great although I'm relativly a n00b, so I could be wrong
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05:51*simonrvn prefers aptitude. "synaptic gets in my way"
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05:52<shamanix>well linux is about choise, and aptitude is also installed, so use it
05:53<shamanix>in fact I had to install synaptic (possible because of minimal install I did)
05:53<shamanix>sorry choise=choice
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05:55<shamanix>speaking of package management, how could I make a sort of repository on a cd from the packages I have installed? Am I correct to assume AptOnCD does something like this?
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06:11<daniel>simonrvn, I agree :P
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06:30<zhxk>which tools-gnome can add multiip to a single eth? should network-manager-gnome be copled?
06:31<petemc>i wouldnt think network mangler can do that, its easy to do in /etc/network/interfacew
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06:32<zhxk>petemc:well,is it a configuration file? well, i want a gragphical tool
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06:37<r00kie>is there a way to predict the amount of space packages will use (on / and/or /home) before you install them (e.g. with apt)?
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06:37<zhxk>which "tool"-gnome can have a fine tune to startup services?
06:37<zr|d3d>zhxk: aptitude install bum
06:38<zr|d3d>(Bootup Manager)
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06:38<zhxk>zr|d3d:does it take a look at init leve 3 also?
06:40*blast_hardcheese help
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06:40<kevin>locklace: went through dmesg output to establish graphics card type, but couldn't find something which stated "graphics card" or similar... However, it stated the chipset: Intel 830M.
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06:44<xerxes>Hi! Is it posible to run jxta with anonymous VPN ?
06:45<Sir-Integra>I'm just wondering, anyone here managed to get nagios2 running with lighttpd? if so, would they care to explain how they did it?
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06:45<zhxk>zr|d3d:it's really what i want
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06:52<locklace>kevin: lspci should tell you
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06:55<locklace>kevin: but i think you want xserver-xorg-video-intel
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06:57<kevin>locklace: that one seems to be installed: there is an 'i' written next to it (output of aptitude search xserver...)
06:58<kevin>locklace: note that everything worked fine under etch before. Yesterday I installed lenny (not by upgrade, but by doing a full install)
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07:00<shamanix>can anyone help? I'm using LXDE+Openbox as WM, prob is I clicked an option (can't remember what its name was), and now I can't access certain settings, esp. changing the wallpaper and such
07:00<kevin>locklace: and I think that indeed the chipset 830M has an integrated video card, so that would be the answer to the type of video card i have.
07:00<locklace>kevin: ok, well you're going to have to scrutinise that Xorg.log file i think, it should have some things to say about what went wrong when trying to start
07:01<shamanix>if nothing else could someone tell me where LXDE stores the config for such stuff?
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07:02<captain_kats>hello people!
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07:02<locklace>kevin: my guess is you'll need to find a new xorg.conf that matches your setup
07:03<captain_kats>i need some assistance on hardware & drivers, if anyone has some time...
07:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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07:06<captain_kats>sorry for my help, just being polite...
07:07<captain_kats>for my question, i mean,
07:07<kevin>locklace: yes, I went through xorg.log a few times, I find some cryptic error messages, that do not say me much. I now what I have to look for. There are no (EE) indicated sentences (error).
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07:07<zhxk>how can i get current run level kown, thanks
07:08<locklace>kevin: how are you starting x
07:08<locklace>zhxk: who -r
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07:09<zhxk>locklace:thank you
07:09<kevin>locklace: I did not start X, I just booted lenny after I installed it. Etch automatically started X in the right way, lenny didn't...
07:10<locklace>kevin: ok, well x isn't starting for you so you're at a console, right?
07:10<kevin>locklace: yes I'm!
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07:11<zhxk>locklace:what does "last=s" mean?
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07:12<locklace>kevin: ok, so rm ~/.xsession-errors and then startx > x.log 2>&1
07:12<locklace>kevin: then paste the output of Xorg.log, ~/x.log and ~/.xsession-errors
07:13<locklace>zhxk: previous runlevel, i guess
07:13<locklace>zhxk: also see the 'runlevel' command
07:14<zhxk>locklace:sure, thanks again!
07:14<kevin>locklace: you mean paste to you?
07:15<captain_kats>so, I have a problem with my ATI X300 series graphics card, running Debian Lenny amd64 arch. Using the free radeon driver. Usually I have no problems, but I encountered several random times when suddendly X freezes, mouse responds slowly or not at all, and the only way to get control is to reset the system. Encountered this problem on Google earth (especially after flight simulation), and today using stellarium! I suppose it needs some s
07:16<zhxk>how to take a screen shapshot and save as a file?
07:16<gsimmons>!tell zhxk -about screenshot
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07:17<locklace>captain_kats: has it ever worked on this system? when did it break
07:17<kevin>locklace: that is handy...
07:18<locklace>iirc intel cards are still needing some manual xorg.conf tweaking in order to not choke
07:18<captain_kats>locklace: it hasn't broken
07:19<locklace>captain_kats: i mean did it ever run without locking up, and only started locking up after some change?
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07:20<r00kie>btw - is it possible to run xfce, gnome, kde and other x-based desktops simultaneous?
07:20<locklace>r00kie: on different displays
07:21<captain_kats>locklace: to be more specific, stellarium worked the first time, closed it, the second time X froze. After rebooting, it was working fine
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07:22<locklace>captain_kats: ok, i'm going to try to ask this question again. has x ever run completely fine for you on this system without locking up ever.
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07:23<kevin>locklace: I must go now, other duties call... I've stored your instructions, and will try to contact you as soon as I have finished carrying them out. In the mean while learning a lot about Debian... Good thing you are here. Thank you for your kind help till so far!
07:23<captain_kats>locklace: yes, it's working fine!
07:23<captain_kats>on specific apps it's the problem
07:23<captain_kats>one of them is from debian repos
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07:24<locklace>captain_kats: ok, i'd suggest asking on #radeon on freenode
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07:24<locklace>they also can point you to much newer driver packages that you might want to try
07:25<captain_kats>locklace: just to mention, I don't remember having any problems like that on apps when using non-free fglrx, just want to avoid it
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07:25<captain_kats>thanks a lot locklace, sorry for being such a trouble
07:25<locklace>captain_kats: ok, you should definitely mention that to the #radeon people
07:26<locklace>let me know what you find out
07:26<zhxk_>how to get rid of messy code?
07:26<r00kie>locklace: by displays you mean 'real' monitors or something like crtl alt Fn?
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07:29<locklace>r00kie: the latter, you can run as many instances of X as you want and have the hw resources to support
07:30<bremner>r00kie: if you just mean individual applications, then nothing complicated like multiple X instances is needed. But you mentioned KDE and GNOME, which which, among other things are window managers, that you can only have one per X instance
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07:43<r00kie>is seperate hardware (like a second gpu) needed for multiple instances of x or do they share it?
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07:48<tomi>what i need to remote manage server - eg remote change bios settings or select boot kernel?
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07:55<r00kie>locklace: sorry about my silly questions but i've only a faint idea of what x is and how it works - still a long way to go *sigh*
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07:56<pawel>how to reject from file everything apart from text in between ~BEGIN~ and ~END~?
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07:58<locklace>r00kie: no problem, everyone has to start somewhere. good news is there's plenty of free info out there
08:00<eljefe>tomi you need a computer with PERC or DRAC or something similar, to remote-manage a server at that early level of its boot up. Look into a Dell or HP server for example
08:01<petemc>not perc
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08:01<petemc>but yes, drac, or kvm over ip
08:01<locklace>or some kind of kvm setup
08:02<locklace>it will actually be nice when BIOS finally dies the final death and we can start doing intelligent things instead
08:03<tomi>drac can i connect to normaly switch ?
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08:03<tomi>how can i connect serwer to kvm over ip switch , by ethernet or what?
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08:04<petemc>depends, all would support wired ethernet, some would have modems
08:05<wuseldusel>can i create a swap partition using the graphical installer of debian (netinst testing)?
08:05<petemc>locklace: you mean like efi?
08:05<petemc>wuseldusel: you should be able to at the partitioning stage
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08:06<locklace>petemc: that's a step in the right direction at least
08:07<wuseldusel>petemc: i am. i can create new partitions but just ext3 and there is not default swap mountpoint that i can chose
08:07<petemc>you dont mount swap
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08:09<wuseldusel>petemc: i thought using the usual text based installed i could create a swap partion, and say "thats the swap partion, use it like that"
08:09<petemc>you can
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08:10<wuseldusel>well ok, then i should rtfm =)
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08:11<wnd>pawel, sed -n '/~BEGIN~/ !d; :l N; /~END~/ !b l; s/~BEGIN~\n//; s/\n~END~//; p; d'
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08:12<wnd>pawel, oops, sed -n '/~BEGIN~/ !d; :l N; /~END~/ !b l; s/~BEGIN~\n//; s/\n~END~//; p'
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08:17<wnd>pawel, sed -n '/~BEGIN~/ !d; n; x; :l n; /~END~/ b e; H; b l; :e x; p'
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08:19<pawel>but where to specify file name?
08:19<wnd>if you need to cut large files, you're better off using something like perl
08:19<wnd>sed -n '/~BEGIN~/ !d; n; x; :l n; /~END~/ b e; H; b l; :e x; p' <input >output
08:20<wnd>you can also modify the file in-place, "sed -i -n '/~BEGIN~/ !d; n; x; :l n; /~END~/ b e; H; b l; :e x; p' file", just remember to be careful with that
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08:32<r00kie>someone here using Xfce and LXDE (or have used in the past)?
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08:33<shamanix>r00kie im using those
08:34<shamanix>actually LXDE
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08:34<shamanix>for the moment
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08:35<r00kie>will apps like gimp or blender run?
08:35<shamanix>of course I already tried gimp
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08:35<shamanix>blender should work in theory, but I havent tried it
08:36<shamanix>so far I had not had a single app that refused to run
08:36<locklace>r00kie: in x your desktop environment has essentially nothing to do with applications you run
08:36<r00kie>that sound good :D
08:37<locklace>r00kie: you should try just running the command "X" sometime
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08:40<shamanix>is LXDE faster then XFCE?
08:41<eljefe>How can I make sure to be running the RadeonHD driver for X? I am running Sid with it fully dist-upgraded
08:41<binarymutant>shamanix, from what I hear, yes, but thats not from experience
08:41<mosno>shamanix: they're both limited by disk IO on my system
08:42<mosno>shamanix: so i can't really say
08:42<binarymutant>shamanix, dwm runs faster than lxde :)
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08:42<locklace>eljefe: just make sure your x server package is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
08:42<r00kie>locklace: i'll try that asap but the download of the iso-image is still in progress because my dsl is slow as molasses ;)
08:43<shamanix>googled up dwm, looked at screenshots, instant timewarp back to 1995-6 something
08:44<shamanix>I'm low on RAM but i'm not that desprate
08:44<locklace>might as well go all the way back to twm and 1988
08:46<binarymutant>or fast forward to 2007 with awesome wm
08:46<eljefe>locklace should i remove all of the others then?
08:46<locklace>eljefe: do you even have other xserver-xorg-video-* packages installed?
08:46<eljefe>yeah seems like a bunch, like xserver-xorg-video-chips and xserver-xorg-video-cirrus and more
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08:47<locklace>eljefe: ok, well you only need the one for your card
08:47<eljefe>and xserver-xorg-video-radeon but i am certain that i have an radeonhd card
08:47<eljefe>ok thanks
08:47<locklace>eljefe: i have a radeonhd card too but use the radeon driver
08:48<locklace>!radeon vs radeonhd
08:48<dpkg>The <radeon> project started under a non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, a second project, <radeonhd>, was started from scratch with a focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at: and
08:48<eljefe>locklace why not the radeonhd?
08:48<eljefe>i've read the diferences and keep a keen eye on the feature matrix
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08:49<locklace>i glanced at the current differences info and decided the radeon one was more appropriate; sort of looked like radeonhd might be merged/go away
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08:49<locklace>but to be honest i didn't look at it very carefully
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08:50<locklace>i'm also running a much newer radion driver than the one that's in the debian package
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08:54<zhxk>hello, my i chroot to another partition?
08:54<zhxk>or may i remount another patition as root?
08:55<locklace>zhxk: man chroot and man pivot_root
08:56<zhxk>locklace:thanks, it might be pivot_root that can play
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09:01<zhxk>locklace:initrd uses pivot_root to mount root partions, am i right?
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09:06<locklace>zhxk: can do
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09:07<zhxk>locklace:can do? really
09:07<zhxk>acutally it it is, am i right?
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09:09<locklace>zhxk: depends how your initrd is set up, but yes, that's the basic approach for common initrd images
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09:10<Oyashiro>is there any command-line automatic downloader for megaupload? like jdownloader ?
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09:10<zhxk>locklace:thank! well, do you mean there some alternative options to fulfill that task?
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09:12<locklace>zhxk: nope
09:12<binarymutant>Oyashiro, never seen one
09:12<zhxk>locklace:thanks again!
09:12<binarymutant>Oyashiro, megaupload has a captcha too, so that seems like a problem for automatic downloaders
09:14<Oyashiro>yes, i know, and it's rather imposible to download from there using lynx ?
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09:15<binarymutant>Oyashiro, ya, lynx probably wouldnt work
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09:15<sd_>Hi guys! I'm looking for a free Linux softw solution to collect routers NetFlow information about band usage by our users, and to be able to take some kind of action based on calculated traffic, i.e. to run some king fo script, send a message, etc... Please advice some good GPL package
09:15<sd_>*to run some kind of script*
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09:16<zhxk>well, i uncommted all lines in the /etc/locale.gen, but i still get messy code on gnome, how?
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09:17<Oyashiro>i thought lynx could save capcha img and i could acces it via www, from my PC, and input it in lynx in my box, i know it;s rather long way aroun, but i like to explore new posibilites xD
09:18<zhxk>the screenshot is here:
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09:18<binarymutant>Oyashiro, with lynx the problem is the flash/java I think
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09:24<sd_>locklace: thanks I'm already trying this (flow-tools package), but I'm pretty confused how to put things together to obtain desirable results. It looks like "Do it yourself" and there are no good examples or tutors.
09:25<locklace>sd_: you'll probably have better luck asking a cisco/network channel if you need some specific netflow assistance
09:26<sd_>locklace: it's an idea.... :)
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09:31<weechat_user>hello! my domU debian console suddenly doesn't do unicode anymore...?
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09:33<Guest264>alguem poderia me enviar uns repositorios do debian lenny
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09:36<locklace>weechat_user: what does vt-is-UTF8 return
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09:43<weechat_user>locklace: thx. i figured it out. reconfiguring locales did the job
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09:45<shamanix85>can anyone tell me how I can change the settings of my ethernet card especially MTU?
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09:46<themill>shamanix85: man ifconfig. You can put the options into /etc/network/interfaces too.
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10:03<Ridho>vn bih
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10:06<markmuetz>can I ask questions about etch here?
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10:15<shamanix85>this is really wierd, for some reason I can't use ipconfig, says command not found, anyone know of alternet ways to do this, something with a GUI would be nice
10:15<Gathond>shamanix85: it is ifconfig (or ip) on unix, ipconfig is what Microsoft renamed it for some reason
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10:16<shamanix85>thanx ip does the trick
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10:18<themill>echo 'alias ipconfig="echo it\'s ifconfig you moron"' >> /etc/bash.bashrc
10:18<themill>oh, and "aptitude install sl"
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10:18<avu>echo 'alias ifconfig="it\'s 2009, start using ip(8) already!" >> /etc/bash.bashrc
10:20<rutski>given the path to a file on the system, how do I find out which package said file came from?
10:20<avu>rutski, dpkg -S
10:20<rutski>ah, yep; nice, thanks :)
10:20<rutski>took a _while_ to run the first time
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10:21<rutski>seems it was building some sort of cache?
10:21<Gathond>avu: NO, ifconfig has served med well, you just dispence with your new fangled sillyness:)
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10:21<avu>rutski, no, it does the same thing on the second run
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10:21<avu>rutski, it's the kernel that keeps the directories/files involved cached
10:21<rutski>avu: then how come it was 20x faster on the second run?
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10:22<rutski>I wonder if the relevant speed of a second run of /etc/cron.daily/mlocate is for the same reason
10:22<rutski>I suspect not, am I wrong
10:22<avu>it goes for everything accessing the file system
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10:23<avu>as long as you have free memory, your kernel uses that memory to cache
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10:41<zhxk>anybody have an idea with the messy code?
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10:58<mr_S>good afternoon Gentlemen from a KUbuntu Linux noob. Hope this finds you well :-)
10:59<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:59<zhxk> anybody have an idea with the messy code?
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11:00<mr_S>interesting comment dpkg :-)
11:01<zhxk>mr_S:well, i wonder which file does that app reads
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11:04<mr_S>lol...Still trying to suss it zhxk Hahaha
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11:13<Icyo>Hi, i've got a Raid5 on a 3ware 9550 in wich a Disk has completly fail, but right now i've got an other drive in the array that is about to fail (2000 reallocated sector) i'm trying to do backup but when I demand some output out of the RAID the second drive givre me I/O error. I shutdown wait a bit and then start the computer, and the second drive is back online. What can I do to salvage the data?
11:14<mjt>ddrescue comes to mind, in all different variations of it
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11:15<Icyo>ok thanks I'll investigate
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11:22<mjt>Icyo: but don't expect the process to be painless...
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11:22<Icyo>lol yes i imagine
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11:23<Icyo>do you know an easy way to make 2 disk to be seen by the system as one
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11:23<Icyo>bescause i got 2x 1To disk and i've got to backup 1.6To
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11:25<stampidd>hello guys
11:26<stampidd>anyone home?
11:27<mjt>Icyo: it's called raid (raid0 or linear in your case)
11:27<stampidd>mjt hello
11:27<mjt>Icyo: but can you do one part after another, in some definition of "part" ?
11:27<Icyo>yes but an easy way to setup a JBOD like
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11:44<Bother-Maynard>is this thing on?
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11:49<shamanix>can someone tell me how I can check how much memory an app is using? I already know the free command, but that shows total memory used, not per app
11:50<Bother-Maynard>and maybe pipe it to grep?
11:50<bzed>shamanix: memstat is nice, too
11:50<Bother-Maynard>So.. here's the thing... I've had Debian [wretch] er I mean [etch] running along just fine
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11:50<Bother-Maynard>I got wine runnig on it it
11:50<Bother-Maynard>did an update this morning
11:51<Bother-Maynard>and direct draw calls seem to be busted
11:51<shamanix>top works and did the trick
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11:51<themill>don't pipe top to grep, use the output formats for ps to get the information you want directly
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11:53<Bother-Maynard>has anyone else had this issue in the past week or so, using 64-bit etch?
11:54<dihedral>i am having an issue with ccsm
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11:54<dihedral>buttons to function, or rather result in an error when i run it via the console
11:54<dihedral>running debian testing
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11:55<shamanix>Wine works fine for me, I'm using 1.1.20
11:55<dihedral> File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/ccm/", line 374, in GroupIndexKeyFunc
11:55<dihedral> return item[1][0]
11:55<dihedral>KeyError: 0
11:55<dihedral>any hints what i can do to fix that?
11:56<Bother-Maynard>wine partially still works for me, it seems to be specific to the DirectDraw library calls
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11:56<Bother-Maynard>I'm just trying to figure out if I need to recompile wine again, or if I can just update some symlinks
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12:00<Bother-Maynard>I'm using wine-1.1.17 apparently
12:01<Bother-Maynard>linux kernel 2.6.18-6-amd64
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12:02<dihedral>i am using CCSM 0.8.2
12:02<shamanix>Bother-Maynard I'll give you a link in a few secs
12:04<DuCkNeT>need help problem with grub after rebooting from debian 5.0 installation
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12:04<locklace>what did it do, install grub on your usb instead of your disk
12:05<iw2lsi>hello... i'm searching for Debian 5 floppy images (boot.img, root,img etc)... where are them ?
12:05<shamanix>oops I see you need amd64
12:05<DuCkNeT>when i rebooted it brings me to grub >
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12:05<locklace>DuCkNeT: try typing "kernel (hd0,0)/<TAB>"
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12:06<Bother-Maynard>thanks shamanix
12:06<jesperj>I need an app to move mousepointer with webcam and before I install non-debian software I want to check if anyone here knows a packaged that can do this, provided in Debian (I can not find one). Thank you
12:06<dihedral>to nobody issues with compizconfig-settings-manager rings a bell?
12:06<DuCkNeT>locklace: done want me tell you the msg ?
12:07<iw2lsi>is it still possible to install debian from floppy with release 5?
12:07<locklace>DuCkNeT: i await with bated breath
12:07<jesperj>tips appreciated
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12:07<sfm>ciao a tutti
12:07<DuCkNeT>locklace: possible files are: lost+found var etc media cdrom initrd.omg usr lib sbin bin boot dev home mnt proc root tmp selinux sys srv opt vmlinuz
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12:08<dpkg>totiti: VATTENE VIA
12:08<locklace>DuCkNeT: ok, that's a start
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12:09<locklace>DuCkNeT: try kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vm<TAB>
12:09<DuCkNeT>locklace: just to let you know ive got software raid might be useful
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12:10<DuCkNeT>locklace: vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686
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12:11<locklace>DuCkNeT: ok, do you know the linux device name of your root partition, something like /dev/sda1
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12:11<DuCkNeT>locklace /dev/hda1
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12:12<locklace>DuCkNeT: ok, enter "kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hda1"
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12:13<DuCkNeT>locklace: with the " ???
12:13<DuCkNeT>ok done
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12:14<locklace>what did it say
12:14<DuCkNeT>locklace: it say [linux-bzimage, setup 0x3000, size 0x16cad0]
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12:15<locklace>great. now "initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd<TAB>" - this should tab-complete to an image name; if so, hit enter
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12:16<DuCkNeT>there is two...
12:16<DuCkNeT>initrd.omg-2.6.26-1-686 and one with .bak (assuming this is backup file)
12:16<locklace>ok, pick the first one
12:17<DuCkNeT>ok done
12:17<locklace>now "boot"
12:18<DuCkNeT>locklace: ok this is what i get mount : mounting /dev/hda1 on /root failed: device or ressource busy
12:18<locklace>ok, that's fucked up
12:18<DuCkNeT>then i get target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
12:19<DuCkNeT>and /bin/sh cant access tty job control turned off
12:19<DuCkNeT>so now i have (initramfs)
12:19<alemani>hello !
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12:20<locklace>DuCkNeT: maybe we should be using something besides /dev/hda1 for your root device
12:21<DuCkNeT>locklace: humk....
12:21<iw2lsi>ok.. found... for Debian 5: "Due to an increase in the size of the Linux kernel, we are unable to provide installation images for installs from floppy disk"... sic!
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12:21<locklace>DuCkNeT: i don't know how you chose to lay out your filesystems, but were there any other devices involved or did you just put everything on one big /dev/hda1 partition?
12:21<DuCkNeT>locklace: would it matter i have software raid ???
12:21<DuCkNeT>hda5 is swap
12:21<DuCkNeT>what would i get had dev for raid ?
12:22<locklace>aren't the raid devices /dev/md0 or something
12:22<DuCkNeT>or anyway to find out ?
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12:22<DuCkNeT>now that your are saying i think i saw that in the setup when creating my raid
12:22<locklace>i know less than zero about the current state of linux raid
12:22<locklace>well, you can try that bit again but using root=/dev/md0 instead
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12:22<DuCkNeT>so i would need to do same as we did but with /dev/md0 install
12:23<locklace>i don't suppose you also put your root on an lvm volume...
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12:23<DuCkNeT>no i didnt do any lvm
12:23<locklace>ok, might as well retry the steps above with root=/dev/md0 instead (or something besides 0 if you remember which number corresponds to your root fs)
12:24<locklace>putting your root fs on raid is probably not a great idea, btw
12:24<locklace>as this situation illustrates
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12:27<DuCkNeT>seems to work...
12:27<DuCkNeT>going further anyway
12:28<DuCkNeT>yes it did indeed...
12:28<DuCkNeT>need to modify anything from here ?
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12:28<locklace>so the only problem here is that you seem to be missing a grub boot menu, which lives in a file called /boot/grub/menu.lst
12:28<locklace>so until that gets created you'll have to boot manually like this
12:28<DuCkNeT>i need to create manually ??
12:28<locklace>why it didn't get created automagically as part of your install is a mystery
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12:29<locklace>well, there are some tricks you can use to get various tools to create it for you
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12:30<DuCkNeT>the file is there...
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12:31<locklace>do you also have the files default and there
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12:32<locklace>what do they say
12:32<locklace>and are there any actual entries in menu.lst
12:33<locklace>i.e. blocks of four lines beginning with the respective keywords title/root/kernel/initrd
12:33<DuCkNeT>yes there is
12:34<sci>hello, does someone know how to find out when a certain person has last visited this channel ?
12:34<DuCkNeT>title debian gnu/linux kernel 2.6.26-i-686
12:34<DuCkNeT>root (hd0,0)
12:34<locklace>!seen sci
12:34<dpkg>sci is currently on #debian (3m 13s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 29s, last said: 'hello, does someone know how to find out when a certain person has last visited this channel ? '.
12:35<DuCkNeT>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/md0 ro
12:35<locklace>DuCkNeT: ok so what about the other files
12:35<sci>locklace, dpkg: thank you
12:35<DuCkNeT>initrd /boot/initrd.img/2.6.26-1-686
12:35<DuCkNeT>locklace: ill look just a sec
12:35<sci>!seen hans
12:35<dpkg>hans <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 28m 5s ago, saying: 'cahoot: it worked. Thanks again for your help! '.
12:36<sci>dpkg: i'm impressed !
12:36<dpkg>no idea, sci
12:36<DuCkNeT>locklace: in device map i,ve got (hd0) /dev/hda
12:37<DuCkNeT>(hd1) /dev/hdc
12:37<DuCkNeT>in the default file i have default
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12:38<locklace>DuCkNeT: ok, i don't see anything wrong with that, not sure why it's dropping you to the prompt instead of giving you the menu
12:39<DuCkNeT>so with what we did it didnt change anything its like a temporary boot ?
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12:39<locklace>DuCkNeT: just about all the grub config is in that menu.lst file, so maybe look it over carefully
12:39<locklace>DuCkNeT: yes
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12:41<locklace>DuCkNeT: does it give you any kind of message when you boot, or
12:41<locklace>just straight to the prompt
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12:41<DuCkNeT>straight to prompt
12:41<nuscire>hi, guys. When I login, the system alerts me with 'You have mail' or 'No mail'. Who do you know which program controls this?
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12:42<DuCkNeT>nuscire: mail in term
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12:44<enouf>nuscire: you can add HUSHLOGIN to your .bashrc (or similar) to silence it, IIRC, it's either the login app or motd i think
12:44<locklace>it's actually /bin/login
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12:45<enouf>it's actually a pkgname
12:45<locklace>the usual way to tell it to be quiet is to touch ~/.hushlogin
12:45<nuscire>DuCkNeT: Thank you. The program mail watches the spool and gives the reports. Can I change the spool filename?
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12:46<locklace>nuscire: you can change your MAIL environment variable, which controls where programs you run try to find your spool
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12:47<nuscire>ok, trying. thank you all.
12:47<locklace>actually i take it back, i think it's your shell and not login that actually does that check and prints that message
12:47<locklace>(these days at least)
12:49<enouf>nuscire: less /etc/login.defs
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12:50<nuscire>enouf: well, thank you!
12:50<nuscire>enouf: i think i figure it out.
12:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 429] by debhelper
12:52<locklace>the mail variables in that file don't come into play in the login process, i don't think
12:52<DuCkNeT>locklace: i manage to fix the issue
12:52<locklace>but they will affect where the mail spool file for new users you add using the useradd tools get created, so if you've moved your global spool directory you'll want to set them accordingly
12:52<DuCkNeT>with grub then device(hd0) /dev/hda
12:52<locklace>DuCkNeT: what did you do
12:53<DuCkNeT>and then root (hd0,0)
12:53<DuCkNeT>setup (hd0)
12:53<DuCkNeT>device (hd1) /dev/hdc
12:53<DuCkNeT>root (hd1,0)
12:53<DuCkNeT>setup (hd1)
12:53<DuCkNeT>quit and then rebooted
12:53<DuCkNeT>works like a charm
12:53<locklace>ok, interesting
12:53<DuCkNeT>thanks for you're help really appreciated!!!!
12:54<nuscire>locklace: actually, i have mutt installed. but it seems some other program giving me the new mail alert at my login. i want to handle it. that's the whole story.
12:54<locklace>no problem
12:54<locklace>nuscire: your shell
12:55<nuscire>locklace: my shell?
12:55<locklace>nuscire: that's what prints the mail alert when you log in
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12:56<nuscire>locklace: but how does it know my spool file? i change it in muttrc to somewhere else, but it still looks at /var/mail/...
12:57<locklace>nuscire: (deja vu) your MAIL environment variable
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12:58<nuscire>locklace: ok, i know it. thank you for you help. really appreciated.
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13:09<enouf>nuscire: less /etc/pam.d/login
13:10<LFH>when do aptitude safe-upgrade it says "3 pacakges not upgraded" How can I see which packages are not upgraded?
13:10<locklace>good call
13:11<locklace>the login process is so complicated these days ;)
13:11<nuscire>enouf: okay. thanks.
13:12<nuscire>locklace: do you konw where does the MAIL being defined? I can't find it.
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13:13<locklace>nuscire: well it will get set automatically by /bin/login according to that pam.d file i guess; you can override it on a per-user basis if you want in one of your shell's rc files
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13:16<nuscire>locklace: you mean my .bashrc? I notice /etc/pam.d/login gives some hints.
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13:17<locklace>nuscire: if your shell is bash, yes
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13:18<locklace>kind of annoyed that /bin/sh is still bash in debian, but oh well.
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13:18<nuscire>locklace: okay, trying.
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13:20<locklace>hm, in fact why *is* /bin/sh bash and not dash
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13:22<xavy_>alguien de mexico
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13:23<steffan>dpkg: tell xavy_ about English
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13:27<enouf>locklace: why would it be dash? or csh, or ksh? or anything other than bash?
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13:28<locklace>are you serious?
13:28<enouf>or even zsh
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13:34<FrustradoAllMighty>Since alsa was introduces I've always used alsaconf to configure sound cards.. now, on squeeze, it is not there.. how do I configure he sound now??
13:34<cahoot>shouldn't really need
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13:36<locklace>FrustradoAllMighty: kernel should set up any sound cards it finds without needing configuration, you can manipulate your drivers directly using alsactl if you need to
13:36<FrustradoAllMighty>cahoot, but there is no sound.. it is not a hw problem cause when I installed pulseaudio and configured kaffeine to use it as it's backend it works
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13:36<enouf>FrustradoAllMighty: when you find out - let me know
13:36<FrustradoAllMighty>locklace, how do I do it..
13:36<cahoot>FrustradoAllMighty: ubuntu?
13:37<FrustradoAllMighty>it is actually not bothering me but a few of my friends
13:37<FrustradoAllMighty>squeeze and sid
13:37<enouf>FrustradoAllMighty: might want to try an ~/.asoundconf or ~/.asoundrc file
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13:37<enouf>er .. i think it;s /etc/asoundconf for system-wide settings
13:38<cahoot>FrustradoAllMighty: I'd advice against any .asoundrc
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13:39<locklace>FrustradoAllMighty: also if you haven't already, go through the usual checklist with alsamixer, etc.
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13:41<cahoot>speaker-test is the only needed 'test'
13:41<locklace>good old sine waves
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13:42<ferman>hello every one
13:43<ferman>plz can any one tell me how i can move or copy folder in usr folder
13:43<locklace>ferman: i was going to answer, but that last line gave me a heart attack
13:44<fxiny>can't be done : no folders in linux :P
13:44<ferman>plzz told me how i can copy or move folder in root
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13:44<fxiny>never seen a folder
13:44<ferman>always say linux open scuare
13:45<ferman>but cant copy or moved folder
13:45<zhxk>hello, my network behaves strange to its config file, how to solve?: thanks you!
13:45<enouf>fxiny: !!
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13:45<locklace>zhxk: what
13:45<fxiny>enouf: hey !!
13:45<enouf>ferman: quit it with the many ?'s
13:46<ferman>well i tihnk i iwl reinstall to windows now
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13:46<fxiny>enouf: i moved to rsyslog
13:46<cahoot>sounds like an idea
13:46<fxiny>forgot to upgrade that
13:46<zhxk>sorry, this one:
13:46<enouf>fxiny: i moved / FS from one drive to a much newer one ;-)
13:46<ferman>coz im new on linux dont have any ideaabout that
13:47<cahoot>ferman: linux is open source, windows is open target
13:47<fxiny>enouf: a new one ? another bargain basement ?
13:47<ferman>i try to do sum things but cant
13:47<DuCkNeT>cahoot: HHAHAHAH your so right
13:47<fxiny>cahoot: nice one :)
13:47<locklace>zhxk: hehe, that's fun
13:48<DuCkNeT>anyone have try linuxmce with the security alarm ???? im thinking to try it
13:48<fxiny>enouf: how large ?
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13:48<zhxk>locklace:well, how to sovle?
13:48<ferman>well i need linux hand book really
13:48<DuCkNeT>ferman: good idea
13:48<enouf>fxiny: well - i copied some data i wanted to save to make space onto a 2nd hand seagate 40G i found ;-) -- but the HDD i moved / to was one of a pair i bought new some time back
13:49<ferman>coz im really new on it dont have any idea about it
13:49<locklace>zhxk: can you run strace ifup eth0
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13:49<ferman>i try to learn sum things
13:49<locklace>zhxk: and look at the last part of the output to see why it can't read the file
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13:49<ferman>did linux need antivirus or not?
13:49<locklace>ferman: "no"
13:50<ferman>oh really
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13:50<DuCkNeT>i just wish linux could be more advance with gaming...
13:51<zhxk>locklace:strace is absent
13:51<locklace>zhxk: install it
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13:51<fxiny>enouf: hahah listen to this one : when checking logcheck/rsyslog regexes , i mounted my test-lenny /etc in my polished LUKS , i watched around , i copied a rsyslog rebex in ther and i double checked files permissions : ls -al /etc/logcheck showed all files onwedn by root.clamav . hahahah
13:51<ferman>im not care game
13:51<ferman>linux best
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13:51<ferman>but i need learn sum things
13:52<ferman>i feel stupid even use windows
13:52<enouf>fxiny: hehe
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13:53<fxiny>enouf: obviously i immediately rebooted into lenny to see . and everything was fine , but still that dir mounted in my LUKS shows the same crap root.clamav files permissions
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13:54<enouf> is a good place to start ferman
13:54<enouf>fxiny: righto
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13:55<zhxk><locklace>:hostname can't be resolved, can't download a package
13:56<FrustradoAllMighty>can anyone tell me why and onboard sound card would not be listed when running lspci ?
13:56<locklace>FrustradoAllMighty: missing kernel driver
13:56<bzed>not a pci device or disabled in bios?
13:56<bzed>locklace: no.
13:56<locklace>actually, that's probably false
13:56<zhxk>locklace:does this help? [ 757.485076] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
13:57<locklace>otherwise lspci would be a lot less useful :)
13:57<bzed>locklace: lspci will show all pci devices, including those the kernel doesn't know
13:57<fxiny>enouf: oh , and i did a base portknocking without knockd : f* nice trick :)
13:57<locklace>FrustradoAllMighty: as bzed said it really should show up if it's active at the hw level
13:58<bzed>zhxk: are therer naemservers configured in /etc/resolv.conf?
13:58<locklace>zhxk: no
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13:58<fxiny>there is something weird in opening holes in a firrewall by portnocking
13:58<bzed>zhxk: are you able to ping an IP addres like ?
13:58<FrustradoAllMighty>locklace, that's what I thought.. but a friend of mine swears he has not changed a thing.. just installed squeeze .. and the board just disapeard
13:59<zhxk>bzed:can't ping through
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13:59<bambou>je cherche un codeur java script pour m'aider dans un projet quelqu'un de dispo ? ;)
13:59<FrustradoAllMighty>and since he lives in another continent.. it is kinda hard to check myself
13:59<bzed>zhxk: then your network configuration is pretyt much fucked up :)
14:00<locklace>FrustradoAllMighty: interesting. (for some reason i was thinking /sys rather than lspci at first)
14:00<zhxk>locklace:no, only saly "multi on" in host.conf
14:00<bzed>!tell bambou about fr
14:00<locklace>bzed: zhxk has a much more basic problem than that
14:00<locklace>zhxk: did you do the strace
14:00<fxiny>and about Temple Tudor singing "who killed bamboo" :P
14:00<zhxk><locklace>:can't download the package to strace
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14:01<locklace>FrustradoAllMighty: all i can suggest if it doesn't show up in lspci and you're sure it isn't disabled in the bios or something, is to boot a different system/kernel and check again
14:01<locklace>zhxk: why not
14:01<bzed>zhxk: mv /etc/network/interface /etc/network/interfaces
14:01<cahoot>FrustradoAllMighty: not listed in /proc/asound/cards then?
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14:01<locklace>oh, haha
14:02<locklace>good catch
14:02<FrustradoAllMighty>cahoot, /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
14:02<cahoot>right no alsa running
14:02<locklace>wonder how he ended up with an interfaces file with the wrong name
14:02<bzed>FrustradoAllMighty: what does lspci list? could you put it in a pastebin?
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14:03<bzed>FrustradoAllMighty: also check if the soundcard is disabled in the bios
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14:04<zhxk>bzed:how wise you are!
14:04<zhxk>bzed:well,SIOCADDRT: File exists
14:04<zhxk>Failed to bring up eth0.
14:04<bzed>zhxk: then its up already
14:05<bzed>zhxk: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 might help
14:05<zhxk>bzed:can't ifdown either,it say it have not up yet
14:05<locklace>zhxk: can you configure eth0 directly with ifconfig
14:05<enouf>haha @ 'conficker' ; worm which attacks windows - 1st detected 11/2008
14:06<FrustradoAllMighty>bzed, he is rebooting the machine in order to do it
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14:06<zhxk>locklace:well, i was installing and removing network-namager, they say manual config to interfaces may effect it's behave
14:07<locklace>zhxk: well i'd say turn off anything like that for now and just try to get it working with ifconfig
14:07<zhxk>so i moved it, and miss it's own name
14:07<bzed>zhxk: put th eoutput of ifconfig -a into a pastebin
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14:08<enouf>ls -l /sys/class/net
14:08<zhxk>bzed:i just rebooted it to see if do
14:08<enouf>er, just ls
14:08<enouf>zhxk: ls /sys/class/net
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14:11<zhxk>enouf: eth0 lo
14:11<zhxk>bzed:well, dns problem is still there
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14:12<enouf>zhxk: are using a static IP or getting an IP address from DHCP?
14:12<enouf>oh .. you were the one using adsl and pppoe ?
14:12<zhxk>locklace:the ip is ok now, but dns still be ill
14:12<locklace>zhxk: not if your /etc/resolv.conf is in good shape
14:12<zhxk>enouf:statick one
14:12<enouf>zhxk: is the resolvconf pkg installed?
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14:13<enouf>zhxk: dpkg -l resolvconf | tail -n 1
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14:14<enouf>zhxk: a static IP would mean you want a "dns-nameserver .... " line in your /etc/network/interfaces file IINM
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14:14<enouf>(unless the resolvconf pkg handles that automatically)
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14:16<locklace>is that valid syntax for the interfaces file? if so which program processes it?
14:17<zhxk>enouf:well, there seems only commented lines in it, what exactly a line shoul i write to?
14:17<locklace>zhxk: is your /etc/resolv.conf in good shape or not
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14:17<zhxk>locklace:in bad shape, i guess
14:18<locklace>zhxk: ok, that's the problem then, you need to list your nameservers there
14:18<fxiny>i like dnsmasq > nameserver
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14:19<zhxk>well, period to that, i chose a "nameserver" to it, and i can aptitude update now, thank you!
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14:20<locklace>i still want to know how you ended up with an interfaces file with the wrong name
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14:21<zhxk>locklace:i issued "mv interface interfaces" already, thankyou!
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14:21<locklace>zhxk: no, why was it wrong in the first place
14:22<zhxk>locklace:because i renamed it to avoid conflict to network-manager
14:22<locklace>hehe, ok
14:23<zhxk>locklace:well, another problem raise, how to then?
14:23<enouf>i suppose resolvconf isn't installed ..
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14:25<locklace>well if aptitude update isn't working, you need to get the right public key from somewhere
14:25<zhxk>enouf:well, the full prints is :
14:25<zhxk>locklace:how to?
14:26<enouf>locklace: grepping through /doc i find /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/examples/interfaces and /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html with examples
14:27<enouf>zhxk: /msg dpkg no public key
14:27<enouf>or install apt-key and debian-archive-keyring
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14:29<zhxk>enouf:wil the second option do?
14:29<enouf>zhxk: you need them anyway
14:29<zhxk>enouf:the two lines is added manually in order to download a crosschain
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14:31<logdaddy_>test again
14:32<zhxk>enouf:how ti install apt-key and debian-archive-keyring?
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14:33<zhxk>enouf:it complains "Couldn't find package "apt-key". However, the following
14:33<zhxk>packages contain "apt-key" in their name:
14:33<zhxk> gui-apt-key "
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14:35<locklace>zhxk: you probably already have apt-key
14:35<zhxk>enouf:it print this when i aptitude install apt-key
14:35<zhxk> enouf:you are right, what next?
14:36<zhxk>locklace:yup, just find it
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14:36<ga_bash>hi guys i have a question : i am running a make and i get an error : make: *** i386-softmmu: No such file or directory. Stop.
14:37<zhxk>enouf: how to do with debian-archive-keyring then?
14:38<zhxk>the tool "debian-archive-keyring" is absent
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14:41<ga_bash>hi guys i have a question : i am running a make and i get an error : make: *** i386-softmmu: No such file or directory. Stop
14:42<zhxk>well, i have to go to bed now, thank you locklace,enouf and all of you that gave help to me. have fun!
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14:44<soc1>does someone know (maybe a latex maintainer) when texlive 2008 will be available as packages?
14:44<soc1> only says, that they are working on it
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14:53<ga_bash>guys. i need to check my hardware configuration which file should i check :)
14:53<amphi>try lspci
14:53<amphi>if that's what you mean
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14:56<locklace>ga_bash: /dev/mem
14:56<ga_bash>locklace, let me see
14:56<ga_bash>locklace, are you kidding me???
14:56<mjt>all the info you want is in that file
14:57<mjt>and you asked for *file* to check
14:57<locklace>ga_bash: yes :(
14:57<ga_bash>mjt, thats not readable..
14:57<locklace>readability is overrated
14:58<ga_bash>locklace, its a character special device file..
14:58<ga_bash>what is your point ?
14:58<locklace>whew, that hasn't changed at least
14:58<danger_>ga_bash use lspci as said and lsusb
14:58<mjt>also dmidecode
14:59<ga_bash>danger_, that would only list pci and usb.. what about the rest of the others.??
14:59<ga_bash>mjt, i would try that
14:59<mjt>what others do you have?
14:59<danger_>Well be more specific then - What do YOU want to look for?
14:59<locklace>mjt: eh, nothing but a front-end for /dev/mem ;)
14:59<ga_bash>danger_, i am looking forward to trimming and re-compiling my kernel..
15:00<ga_bash>locklace, what is the file /dev/mem seriously :)
15:00<locklace>ga_bash: all of system memory
15:01<ga_bash>locklace, ah.. i got your point lol
15:01<mjt>including information about hardware config
15:01<ga_bash>locklace, so you were right ...
15:01<ga_bash>mjt, yeah lol ha ha
15:01<ga_bash>and much much more..
15:02<enouf>ga_bash: /msg dpkg what's my hardware
15:03<ga_bash>enouf, thanks .. :)
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15:05<ga_bash>oh lshw solves everything.. :) great..
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15:17<danger_>Whats the easiest way to switch from GCJ to Sun's JRE?
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15:18<gravity>danger_: Install the jre package from unstable and update-alternatives --config java
15:18<dkr>not from unstable, just from non-free
15:19<gravity>Yeah, brain fart
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15:19<dkr>there is a special update script too. java-update-alternatives
15:20<dkr>or not
15:20<dkr>ah, it's update-java-alternatives
15:20<goodbit>Is anyone else running debian from a laptop?
15:20<danger_>Cheers dkr
15:21<dkr>goodbit: yes. now did the answer to that question really help you at all? ;)
15:21<goodbit>I'm having minor heat/battery consumption problems
15:21<amphi>goodbit: could you be more vague? ;)
15:21<goodbit>I'm in laptop mode and I've installed a disk spindown program, but it stiil gets pretty hot
15:22<amphi>what cpufreq governor are you using?
15:23<amphi>not driver, governor
15:23<amphi>cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
15:23<goodbit>none that I know of
15:24<amphi>that's the one to use
15:24<amphi>is this an intel cpu?
15:24<goodbit>Yeah, it's a dual core centrino
15:25<amphi>ondemand is the governor intel recommends for both a/c & battery use
15:25<amphi>c2ds do seem to run pretty hot
15:26<amphi>my laptop has a L7700 in it; it's idling at 44°C now, goes over 75 under sustained load
15:26<danger_>My C2D Macbook is always a bit "toasty"
15:26<amphi>I've seen it touch 80°C at times
15:27<amphi>trip_points says 'critical (S5): 127 C' ;)
15:27<goodbit>This laptop runs a lot cooler when it's running on the Vista OS it came with
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15:27<stroyan>The powertop package can be helpful for understanding why a laptop is using a lot of power.
15:27<goodbit>I'm guessing it has to do with the turbo memory
15:28<goodbit>powertop? Neat
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15:28<amphi>what video card is in it? some of them can generate a good bit of heat
15:28<goodbit>just the integrated intel one
15:29<goodbit>I don't remember the exact model
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15:30<goodbit>Oh, this powertop program is awesome
15:31<goodbit>Do the changes you make through it hold after a reboot?
15:32<danger_>hi h
15:32<amphi>goodbit: no
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15:33<asaleem>I want to sync two directories in two-way fashion. I cannot use unison because the versions are different. Any idea how I can do that
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15:35<goodbit>This might be all in my head, but after running powertop my laptop's already noticeably cooler
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15:36<goodbit>either that or the skin on my hands have reached the temperature of the laptop
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15:37<amphi>what model is it?
15:37<goodbit>It's a Lenovo Thinkpad X61s
15:37<asaleem>I want to sync two directories in two-way fashion. I cannot use unison because the versions are different. Any idea how I can do that
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15:37<sney>I miss my thinkpad
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15:38<danger_>Thinkpad's are lovely - just too expensive :(
15:38<goodbit>I'm pretty happy with it. I had to return two macbooks before I got it.
15:38<amphi>goodbit: I have the same machine
15:38<amphi>i'm very happy with it
15:38<goodbit>the batteries on the macbooks kept warping
15:39<goodbit>Yeah, it's a great little machine. I do all my work on it when I'm at school.
15:39<amphi> has much useful info, if you don't already know it
15:39<goodbit>Reliable, and no tacky piano finish
15:39<goodbit>Cool, thanks amphi
15:39<amphi>and no revolting touchpad ;)
15:39<sney>I got this eee because it was cheaper than getting a replacement T42. seriously. a refurb 4-year-old thinkpad costs more than a brand new netbook
15:39<goodbit>Yeah, seriously. I love my little clit mouse.
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15:40<goodbit>My fuzzy one wore out, so I'm using the navel one now
15:41<goodbit>I think you can get x61ses pretty cheap now, now that they don't make them anymore
15:41<sney>I was always partial to the little dish thing
15:42<goodbit>Haha. It's slippery, but you get used to it
15:42<amphi>it's sad the X series has gone shortscreen IMHO; this is the last of the 4:3 ones
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15:43<danger_>I don't like the "cheapo" SL series though, Thinkpads aren't quite the same now they're not IBM's
15:44<amphi>SL series aren't really thinkpads at all
15:44<goodbit>Yeah, I'd rather have gotten one from IBM
15:44<goodbit>but what can I say; it beats a dell
15:44<danger_>What's wrong with Dell?
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15:44<amphi>my X61s seems more solidly built than my T42 did
15:45<locklace>not to mention some serious quality problems on some models and a record of terrible service
15:45<sney>I had a lot of negative professional experiences with the x series prior to the Lenovo takeover
15:45<sney>did you know there was a whole production run of x41 motherboards where unplugging a usb device and plugging it into a different port on a running machine had a significant chance of completely frying the motherboard? awesome good job ibm a+
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15:45<goodbit>Really? Wow.
15:46<danger_>Jeez if it's not exploding batteries it's USB sockets frying motherboards - whatever next?
15:46<amphi>sney: was that the one that had the dog-slow 1.8" drive in it?
15:46<sney>I think so yes
15:46<sney>they did take a long time to image
15:46<locklace>danger_: you know about the dell/nvidia 8400 problems
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15:47<sney>not quite as slow as the toshiba r100s though
15:47<danger_>locklace no, but, on average I think Dell are leaps and bounds ahead of "eMachines" or "Acer" they *really* are poor notebook manufacturers
15:48<goodbit>I used my dad's Dell laptop before. To be perfectly honest, it was probably easier to work on than this thinkpad
15:48<goodbit>just by virtue of its huge widescreen
15:48<locklace>danger_: search on "dell gpu" sometime
15:48<goodbit>but I didn't like using it, and it was fat
15:48<sney>dell buys designs from a lot of people. when they buy laptop designs from samsung, the result is a decent serviceable machine that tends to get a little hot
15:48<sney>the other notebook ODMs they source from have less positive results
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15:52<danger_>How is Debian on the X61's? Does the wifi work out of the box?
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15:53<gravity>danger_: It works well. You need the firmware for the wifi from non-free, but it works
15:53<sney>they still use atheros huh
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15:57<danger_>Wifi's just a whole lot of pain on Linux IMHO one of the biggest barriers to getting more people using it
15:58<goodbit>I had to jump through a few hoops to get wifi on this laptop working, myself
15:58<goodbit>Can't run valgrind on cygwin, though. :D
15:58<sney>at least it seems to be improving
15:58<danger_>Last time I was in my local PC store (a big chain in the UK called PC World) I asked them for a "linux compatible wifi PCI-E" card - and the guy just looked at me like I was some sort of alien
15:59<sney>more driver support, less oh ha ha you have to use ndiswrapper
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15:59<sney>well people who work at big chain pc stores are gamers though right? what would they know about linux
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16:00<enouf>i won't even go near craptops until some/all manus provide interchangeable constiuent components, which can be bought and assembled from scratch - start with a chassis, and build up .. just like a desktop :-)
16:00<goodbit>Haha. Most "power users" and "gamers" I've met hold Linux in pretty high regard, at least
16:00<kurumin>to precisando de ajuda.. alguém poderia??
16:00<sney>yeah, but that doesn't mean they know much about it
16:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:01<danger_>Well you'd expect that to at least know what Linux was. They're less than useless - I did have a lol at listening them to recommend 8GB to a guy looking for a desktop for this teenage daughter :/
16:01<enouf>constituent* even
16:01<goodbit>Why? :<
16:01<sney>oh man, portuguese
16:01<sney>I know some spanish but not enough to support a debian install
16:02<danger_>Que? lol
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16:07<goodbit>Does anyone know of a good IDE asides from Eclipse?
16:07<SlimeyPete>for what?
16:07<goodbit>For C
16:07<danger_>goodbit whats wrong with just using emacs?
16:08<locklace>goodbit: emacs
16:08<SlimeyPete>I think kdevelop and anjuta have their fans, though I'm not a C programmer myself
16:08<goodbit>I'm a vi person
16:08<dondelelcaro>goodbit: then use vi
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16:09<goodbit>I do, but it's more convenient to work in an IDE for big projects
16:10<gravity>goodbit: vim has a ton of plugins that people seem to like for getting an IDE-type environment
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16:11<goodbit>Oh, cool
16:12<danger_>Out of interest - what is the problem with using Eclipse as your IDE for C development?
16:12<gravity>You can also use eclipse and vim. I use both.
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16:12<gravity>er... emacs and vim
16:12<gravity>Although I would use eclipse if I were doing java
16:13<locklace>i would take my own life if i were doing java
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16:14<goodbit>Eclipse is pretty powerful, but sometimes it's glitchy and annoying to use
16:14<goodbit>Like everytime I pull from a source control repository, all the files are "out of sync" and the search won't work
16:14<goodbit>the code folding is broken
16:15<goodbit>and the menu items get disabled everytime the source files lose focus
16:15<goodbit>so you have to click on them all the time
16:15<fatio>goodbit: info viper
16:15<gravity>viper is neat, but not really satisfying
16:16<goodbit>fatio: I'll check it out
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16:17<kaloyan>I have a question.
16:18<kaloyan>I'm running ubuntu on my PS3, not sure which version.
16:18<kaloyan>And I can't get youtube to play, why?
16:18<resume-prob>Hello guys i need some help. (SqueezeAMD64)
16:18<resume-prob>im triing to recompile my kernel, and a question was make for me:
16:18<resume-prob>Classic_RCU or TREE_RCU
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16:18<locklace>resume-prob: go with tree rcu
16:18<zsakr>anyone here use grsec RBAC ?
16:18<zsakr>What is the command to dump a X-screenshot to disk????
16:19<resume-prob>now the question is RCU_TRACE?
16:19<resume-prob>I must enable RCU_Trace?
16:19<Viny>sorry, where's the brazilian channel?
16:19<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:19<locklace>resume-prob: not necessary
16:19<resume-prob>what is it?
16:20<locklace>resume-prob: tracing for rcu operations
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16:20<gnufan>zsakr: xwd ? Or just use one of the many apps
16:21<resume-prob>locklace RCU_FANOUT?
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16:21<locklace>resume-prob: just leave it at 64
16:21<locklace>resume-prob: don't change any of the other rcu settings
16:22<resume-prob>locklace, y/n only question
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16:23<resume-prob>locklace, RCU_FANOUT_EXACT? (y/n)
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16:24<locklace>resume-prob: no
16:24<resume-prob>CGROUP_FREEZER, y/n?
16:25<locklace>are we going to have to go through your whole kernel config
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16:25<resume-prob>heh, last time i copiled it dont appears
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16:26<resume-prob>What is SPARSE_IRQ?
16:26<danger_>oh dear oh dear
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16:29<resume-prob>locklace, MAXSMP. (y/n)?
16:29<resume-prob>(i dont know about it)
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16:31<danger_>clau be a bit more specific
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16:32<resume-prob>May i enable Security table?
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16:40<pope>does there exist a source package of openssl, i mean headers are available in e.g. include/openssl?
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16:40<gravity>pope: libopenssl-dev
16:41<gravity>Or something similar
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16:43<Guest315>pls help me about my cam
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16:44<kikinovak>Guest315 what's wrong with your cam ?
16:44<kikinovak>hi, btw
16:44<sney>it speaks english as a second language
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16:44<sney>guten tag!
16:44<Guest315>i have cam with 17a1:0128, but no driver for linux
16:44<kikinovak>jo nappot kivanok
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16:45<kikinovak>well, looks like you have to get another cam
16:45<kikinovak>not a very expensive item
16:46<kikinovak>Guest315 gspca driver won't do?
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16:47<Guest315>i don't know how to compile it gspca. I'm newbie :-)
16:47<kikinovak>Guest315 hmmm... gspca not included in Debian?
16:47<pope>gravity: i was libssl-dev. thx
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16:49<Guest315>i just have lenny bin-1
16:50<resume-prob>why on the 2.6.29-2 source of kernel there is no AMD64 folder in arch folder?
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16:52<gnufan1>Guest315: there are packaged modules in lenny for this. Have you installed those ( gspca-modules ) - may not work with that camera
16:52<resume-prob>Noone knows?
16:52<sney>didn't know it was true until you just mentioned it
16:52<sney> sources?
16:53<resume-prob>download an tar it
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16:53<Guest315>i was installed that module, but my cam not running yet in gyache
16:54<resume-prob>sney, i use Squeeze AMD64, and im compilig that kernel. on make output it apears : CC arch/x86/boot/edd.o
16:55<resume-prob>i tried to search no arch folder about amd64 and nothing was found
16:55<Guest315>i was test with multimedia system selector, bi\ut it say:"Video for Linux 2 (v4l2): Cannot identify device '/dev/video0'."
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16:57<locklace>resume-prob: arch/x86 contains the code for both
16:57<locklace>resume-prob: look at the makefile
16:57<resume-prob>wow, thanks for explanation XD
16:57<resume-prob>(and sorry about my english)
16:58<sney>yeah there's a lot of overlap, right
16:58<sney>man it's been forever
16:58<sney>note to self: I am not an expert
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17:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 413] by debhelper
17:02<resume-prob>Anyone knows why when i stay on Debian it never uses my two cores to do the same thing?
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17:02<resume-prob>Like, im compiling my new kernel, and its using just one core. When i do other things it uses the another
17:03<gravity>resume-prob: Because concurrency is hard
17:03<gravity>This isn't a "Debian" problem. It's a computing problem.
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17:05<sney>there's an option to pass to make to go multithreaded
17:05<sney>-j2 for 2 threads I think it is
17:05<sney>then you'll use your cores
17:06<dr|z3d>>8 cores and performance dives. No solution for that, currently, on desktop machines.
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17:06<gravity>Yeah, that should work for compiling things
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17:07<cahoot>resume-prob: man make-kpkg, see concurrency_level
17:08<clau>help me with the proxy?
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17:09<dr|z3d>clau: You need to be a bit more specific. Which proxy? And what are you trying to do?
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17:10<clau>im trying send my webcam in amsn but i cant show
17:10<clau>because show that im behind of proxy o cortafuegos
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17:11<swood>clau: what is your native language?
17:11<simonrvn>sounds like es
17:11<swood>dpkg: tell clau about debian-es
17:12<sney>cortafuegos... firewall?
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17:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:12<steffan>sney: they is no need to use the same command twice
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17:13<sney>man my latency is a hundred kinds of terrible
17:13<sney>it's like shouting down a well
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17:18<resume-prob>about currency on Compiling a new kernel, if i compile it normally, without -j 2 on my case, it will be more slow?
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17:20<resume-prob>can anything happen later? like the compiled kernel be slower than a -j2 made?
17:21<resume-prob>yes concurrency
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17:21<sney>make -j2 only changes what happens while the kernel is being compiled
17:22<danger_>No it should not be slower.
17:22<sney>it has no bearing on the performance of the resulting kernel
17:22<danger_>sney is correct
17:22<resume-prob>ok, ty
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17:23<resume-prob>i like it this way. I compile the kernel in one core and use the otjer to make another things
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17:24<locklace>did you just ask if using make -j 2 to build the kernel will produce a faster kernel?
17:24<sney>best thing about multicore is multitasking
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17:25<sney>that's how I understood it
17:25<resume-prob>its right
17:25<sney>ah, support questions
17:25<gravity>Much to learn
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17:25<House>Does anybody here know how to access screen without using root through PuTTY in Debian. I need a lower leve account to be able to open this program as it needs to automatically locate a config file that it isn't capable of finding if I open it through root
17:25<sney>much to learn has this one. mmmm. /yoda
17:26<sney>as long as the screen session is created with your lower level account...
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17:26<dondelelcaro>House: just run screen.
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17:27<House>Could not read resource file: blabla
17:27<House>that's what happens if i open screen in root
17:28<House>and it wont even do it if i try it on the lower-level account.
17:28<House>that's probably a bit vague, it does open screen and i can open the program itself, i just can't read the resource file essential to the program working.
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17:29<House>through root that is.
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17:29<sney>that doesn't sound like a screen issue, unless the environment variables aren't being set properly
17:29<House>no it's not an issue
17:29<House>i just dont know the command to make it work
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17:29<House>it's worked before but i have the worst memory ever
17:29<House>so i cant remember how i did it
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17:32<House>son of a bitch
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17:33<House>i just spent 2 goddamn hours doing this shit, and then it finally decides to want to open it on the lower-level account
17:33<House>hasnt wanted to work the last 20 times i tried that.
17:33<dkr>take your pain meds, House
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17:35<House>i think this was the issue the last time
17:36<House>when i close PuTTY the screen just shuts down
17:36<House>or something
17:36<sney>well you gotta detach it first
17:36<SlimeyPete>you shouldn't really have to
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17:36<SlimeyPete>it should detach automatically when it loses the tty
17:37<sney>ctrl+a,d buys a little peace of mind I suppose
17:37<House>oh awesome
17:37<House>it's still up
17:37<House>whatever then
17:37<House>works fine
17:37<House>im gonna write this shit down this time
17:37<House>cos this is like the third time ive been through this
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17:38<House>and well thanks guys
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17:39<House>you're much less useless than the other channels i tried
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17:39<House>e.g one channel where everybody knows the answer but doesnt feel like sharing
17:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 407] by debhelper
17:41<sney>it's a new generation of debian users
17:41<sney>no more incomprehensible docs and surly irc "support"
17:41<sney>we have a wiki now!
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17:41<House>i especially love mysql documentation.
17:41<House>even if it's pretty unrelated
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17:42<sney>I like the hardware docs that were translated from taiwanese using babelfish
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17:43<danger_>lmao is that true sney?
17:44<sney>"I need to do *what* with the dip switch?"
17:44<sney>well I don't know conclusively that it's a babelfish translation
17:44<sney>but they certainly read that way
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17:48<interbird>I have this strange problem with Lenny...
17:48<danger_>which is.....
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17:50<interbird>Using iceweasel it takes a long,long,long time to connect to wikipedia; I can see the icon's get built. Same when connecting to GMail.
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17:50<interbird>Tried to pin-point it to dhcp-stuff or router...
17:51<interbird>To no avail...
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17:51<ml|>fine here when navigating to Gmial, wikipedia
17:52<interbird>Yep, fine here too, with ubuntu or other distro; but with Lenny... pfff?
17:52-!-ike^ [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:52<ml|>hmmm that's weird
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17:52<enouf>try diab;ing ipv6?
17:52<sney>I have a similar problem
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17:53<sney>my latency has been completely and utterly ridiculous lately
17:53<danger_>No problems with latency here,
17:53<enouf>in about:config
17:53<ml|>but I forget I'm on squeeze
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17:53<interbird>sney: do you also see the wikipedia icons get built when you access the site ?
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17:54<sney>nope, liarpedia loaded pretty quickly
17:55<sney>but I have a caching squid proxy that probably helped
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17:55<interbird>Yes, but I mean without squid...
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17:56<interbird>I cannot reproduce this prob on debian derivatives
17:56<interbird>The IPV6 settings in /etc/hosts are the same as on my other systems
17:57<interbird>I tried traceroute to follow the connection but that's not it
17:58<interbird>Maybe some of you guys know where this 'bottle-neck' could be... (I'm out of cards...)
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18:01<interbird>enouf: tried that; no solution
18:03<interbird>Does anyone know if there are any other differences between Iceweasel and FF besides the branding-stuff ?
18:04<danger_>There isn't IIRC
18:04<SlimeyPete>just branding
18:05<danger_>It's was a "libre" issue with the image I think, the firefox logo
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18:06<interbird>I know, still it's so strange that on my Debian box with IW this 'slowness' happens...
18:06<interbird>Links and Lynx etc are fast
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18:07<danger_>It's an odd problem is Epiphany slow too?
18:07<simonrvn>!why iceweasel
18:07<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
18:07<interbird>I just dont's understand why IW on my Lenny takes for about more that 30 secs to connect to Wiki and when it does I can see the side-icons build up...
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18:08<interbird>simonrvn: I know that
18:08<danger_>Wikipedia I assume simonrvn
18:09<simonrvn>call it that then. there's thousands of wikis.
18:10<danger_>How long does 'curl' take?
18:10<interbird>monumento danger_
18:10<simonrvn>try .org
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18:11<interbird>danger_: fast ! ???
18:11<danger_>Well that is very strange indeed.
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18:12<interbird>Yes, thats why I'm asking here because I've tried a lot of things but to no avail
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18:13<danger_>totally, sorry I can't help at all with this. Just trying to think what could cause it :/
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18:13<interbird>me too :-)
18:13<eldowan>Does anyone else have an issue with Amarok not playing songs with filenames more than 136 characters? I think this is new to lenny, as another etch machine can play the files with no problem.
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18:15<eldowan>It actually seems that the full path cannot exceed 260 characters.
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18:16<interbird>I have the same with GMail; it takes a lot of time to get the complete interface and I know it's JavaScript++, but I sometimes have to fallback manually to the html rendering.
18:17<interbird>Especially when switching between accounts
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18:19<Zviper>anyone have any expirence with wtorrent?
18:19<interbird>I don't use a proxy or a cache and have the same resolve with /etc/hosts between Debian and Ubuntu but still the former takes a long time to connect
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18:26<interbird>danger_: Strange your link worked fast; I also just upgraded Lenny to the latest. But this prob I had for months. I'm gonna reboot to see if it's gone.
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18:28<danger_>okay good luck with it interbird
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18:30<rudenstam>Hello, I have a problem with two of my lenny boxes... They freeze.. when sshing in, I can enter username, but then it freezes before password prompt... when connecting locally, it also freezes before password prompt
18:30<rudenstam>any ideas ?
18:31<Zviper>where are you sshing in from?
18:31<eldowan>rudenstam: define freeze. does the system stop responding to network requests? can you ping it?
18:31<rudenstam>as I can get a ssh login prompt.. I assume it responds to ping.. I rebooted it now to be able to get here.. my firewall
18:32<danger_>indeed rudenstam
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18:34<eldowan>rudenstam: i meant after the freeze, does it respond to any network requests. You are aware that when you input your password there is no indication that you are inputting anything I hope.
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18:34<rudenstam>eldowan: the prompt for entering the password does not appear
18:34<rudenstam>neither for ssh nor for local
18:34<rudenstam>it stops shuffling traffic between LAN and WAN at least..
18:35<simonrvn>pam issue
18:35<eldowan>rudenstam: aah, just have to make sure and all that. That is quite weird. and this is for two lenny installs?
18:35<eldowan>simonrvn: I was wondering about that.
18:35<simonrvn>triggering a kernel bugperhaps. have you looked the logs yet?
18:35<simonrvn>typing lying down sucks
18:35<rudenstam>eldowan: yes, but I also have unaffected (at least so far) lenny installs
18:35<rudenstam>simonrvn: it complicates things yes ;)
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18:36<eldowan>rudenstam: simonrvnmay have good advice, i'd try his.
18:36*interbird reports that the slow wikipedia and gmail problem seems to have vanised; it has nagged me for months; glad it gone. This is my devbox and I enjoy being able to 'lookup' quickly again.
18:36<simonrvn>interbird: \o/
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18:37<rudenstam>any special log that should be interesting ? I had a dive in syslog but found nothing weird
18:37<interbird>simonrvn: ?
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18:37<simonrvn>yay for you
18:37<interbird>not for me
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18:38<simonrvn>erm, you just said... oh never mind
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18:40<danger_>ha ha
18:40<eldowan>rudenstam: you *may* try /var/log/auth.log
18:41<rudenstam>eldowan: nothing
18:41<eldowan>rudenstam: yeah, I had figured as much. kern.log give anyinsight?
18:41<interbird>i'm not telling tales, siminrvn, i'm no newbe or ububtu-dude; i just know i had this problem on debbie, tried to solve it, could not, did an upgrade today, forgot about that, seems to have fixed it.
18:42<interbird>Happy to have it gone!
18:42<interbird>Thanx for all who sugested solutions !
18:42<rudenstam>eldowan: nopes, nothing
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18:43<eldowan>rudenstam: can you boot to a rescue media, chroot in and see if your pam packages are intact and not broken? Thats about all I can think of.
18:43<simonrvn>interbird: i was showing my happiness that you got it fixed.
18:43<rudenstam>eldowan: box is up and running.. rebooting fixes it.. but will happen again in a few days time
18:44<eldowan>rudenstam: aaah, I wasn't aware that it was an intermittnet issue. very interesting.
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18:46<interbird>simonrvn: sorry for misunderstanding; yes i'm happy this seems to be fixed; thanks !
18:46<rudenstam>and no bad blocks found on sysdrive either
18:49<rudenstam>eldowan: any more ideas ?
18:50<eldowan>rudenstam: not anything, sorry.
18:50<rudenstam>thanks anyway at least
18:50<interbird>rudenstam: i did not follow; can you state your prob? maybe i can help ?
18:51<rudenstam>interbird: my lenny firewall box freezes up with a few days to weeks intervals.. rebooting it and it works again.. when it freezes.. I can connect to ssh, type my usename, but password prompt never appears.. same for local login, no password prompt
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18:51<eldowan>rudenstam: but when it works, it works correctly and allows both local and ssh logins, correct?
18:52<rudenstam>after reboot, all works fine
18:52<rudenstam>and I see no buildups in load or temps in my munin graps either
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18:53<interbird>rudenstam: you know about iptables i guess; maybe a good idea is to see if that changes over time because of some (cron) process?
18:53<interbird>iptables --list
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18:54<rudenstam>interbird: iptables shouldn't stop me from logging in locally though ?
18:54<interbird>it could
18:55<rudenstam>really ? didn't think local login went through any network filtering
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18:55<interbird>what kind of firewall do you use?
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18:55<interbird>setup by yourself of some forewall prog?
18:56<rudenstam>been running the same config for months at least
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18:56<rudenstam>problem occured recently, after upgrade from etch -> lenny
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18:56<interbird>kee; thinking
18:57<interbird>and your remote access stops after some time ?
18:58<interbird>do you have root access to this box ?
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18:58<rudenstam>I can't get to WAN from LAN anymore.. but I get ssh login promt when connecting to the box from LAN
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18:59<jidm>hi. simple question about bash-completion. When as user i type "apti[tab] sa[tab]", it autocompletes "aptitude safe-upgrade". When as root (su) i type the same, it autocompletes "aptitude" but not "safe-upgrade". Is this a settings problem, or it is a bash-completion bug?
18:59<interbird>i understand, but at first it works but after some time not anymore ?
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18:59<rudenstam>interbird: it works for days -> week(s).. then suddenly it just "dies"
19:00<rudenstam>reboot it, and it works again
19:00<interbird>jidm: bash-completion is different when logged in as root;
19:00<steffan>jidm: it will complete different as root
19:00<interbird>rudenstam: do you have root access to this box ? I mean "hands-on" ?
19:01<rudenstam>interbird: yes
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19:01<interbird>if so, then see if iptables --list has changed
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19:01<rudenstam>interbird: I can't login though
19:01<rudenstam>after the freezing
19:01<interbird>remote or locally ?
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19:01<rudenstam>I can type username (root), but no password prompt appears
19:01<ghantoos>jidm: you should edit /root/.bashrc and add the folowing:
19:01<interbird>also no using ctrl-alt-f1 for console?
19:02<rudenstam>interbird I used ctrl-alt-f2... waited a few minutes for password prompt before rebooting it
19:03<interbird>sometimes you have to press <ENTER> to get the prompt; i assume you know that
19:03<jidm>ghantoos Thanks man!!. Also thanks for the explanation to interbird ands steffan.
19:03<rudenstam>interbird: I get the username prompt... write login and press enter.. then nothing
19:03<ghantoos>jidm: ;)
19:05<rudenstam>brb, prepping some food
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19:05<interbird>rudenstam: we are talking about a box where you can login at-site?
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19:06<interbird>yeah, food :-)
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19:08<jidm>ghantoos that worked smoothly. Thanks for the tip. You made my day!
19:08<rudenstam>interbird: the box is ~10 meters away from me
19:09<ghantoos>jidm: I'm glad I could help! :)
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19:10<rudenstam>perhaps I should log in locally and leave it logged in for next time it goes foobar.. then perhaps I'll be able to investigate when it's borked
19:10<interbird>rudenstam: ok, but i'm confused; you have a firewall probbie and also a login probbie; which do we tackle first ?
19:10<rudenstam>interbird: ignore the firewall probbie... I think it depends on the login probbie
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19:11<rudenstam>rather.. I think there's a common denominator that causes it
19:11<rudenstam>but not being able to log in locally seems like the most straight forward problem
19:11<interbird>when you login; are we text or graph?
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19:12<interbird>you enter login name true?
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19:12<interbird>then no passwd prompt appears?
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19:13<interbird>then the resolvement of the credentials failed; are you playing with ldap ?
19:13<rudenstam>but only after the "freeze point", up till then, I can log in fine
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19:13<rudenstam>I am not
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19:13<interbird>and the 'freeze point' happend some time after all works well ?
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19:14<rudenstam>yes... days -> week(s)
19:14<rudenstam>it's all very weird imho ;)
19:14<jeanne>how do i make a terminal command be run at boot always (like i want avant-window-navigator to be there as soon as i log into my account?)
19:15<amphi>jeanne: stick it in ~/.xsession
19:15<interbird>as a user?
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19:15<dr|z3d>jeanne: Save your gnome session.
19:15<dr|z3d>(With your terminal running) As an alternative.
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19:16<interbird>drjz3d's advise should work
19:16<interbird>more permanent would be amphi's advise
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19:17<dr|z3d>Does Gnome ask you if you want to save session on logout? I can't remember, I use Xfce these days, mostly.
19:17<interbird>rudenstam: question is what changes in this time
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19:17<dr|z3d>If so, then logging out and saving the session with your desired startup apps running is the *easiest* way.
19:17<rudenstam>interbird: indeed, the time seems to be non-constant though
19:18<interbird>drjz3d: you can set that; --> System->Preferences->Sessions
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19:18<dr|z3d>interbird: Right, sure. Knew it was somewhere, just haven't Gnomed for a while :)
19:19<interbird>rudenstam: do you have any "alien" software installed ? (By that i mean foreign software not installed from a Debian repository);
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19:20<rudenstam>tor and squeezecenter, tcl (with some packages)
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19:22<interbird>rudenstam: it difficult to track your problem because it happens after a while
19:22<rudenstam>indeed it is..
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19:22<rudenstam>thanks for the try though..
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19:23<interbird>rudenstam: reboot and record your firewall with iptables --list > /my-tables-000 after a reboot
19:23<interbird>rudenstam: then do the same after some days to > ... .001
19:24<interbird>if it changed then some process is changing your firewall
19:24<shamanix>what does cannot read access control list error code 1400 mean in wine?
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19:24<interbird>what command ?
19:24<rudenstam>interbird: I'll get back next time it goes foobar probably
19:25<interbird>rudenstam: something changes your iptables maybe
19:25<interbird>rudenstam: thing is to catch what changes
19:25<rudenstam>I still don't get how iptables can screw up login at localhost though
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19:26<interbird>rudenstam: deny all from could
19:26<rudenstam>ah.. alright..
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19:27<interbird>rudenstam: always have a root login at ctrl-alt-f4 ready so you are logged in and then , when it happens, check iptables -list to see if the list chnged
19:27<rudenstam>will do
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19:30<interbird>shamanix: what command issues this error ?
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19:33<phoenix>saben soy nuevo aqui y no se que hacer
19:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:34<witte>phoenix: you need to type "/join #debian-es"
19:34<phoenix>y que es eso?
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19:36<NerdKitten>I´ve heard that Debian´s installer can encrypt my root to be decrpyted on-the-fly in RAM during use. is this true?
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19:37<NerdKitten>interbird: what part is untrue?
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19:38<NerdKitten>now Iḿ confused
19:39<interbird>what could be a part of no ?
19:40<NerdKitten>oh wow...
19:41<NerdKitten>sney: are you saying that I CAN encrypt my root?
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19:41<NerdKitten>interbird: are you sney?
19:42-!-cross [] has joined #debian
19:42<NerdKitten>then why are you speaking for them?
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19:43<sney>no I'm just sewing extra confusion, but essentially the installer is the bare OS minimum necessary to get everything installed and set up. the final product of that, well, if you know what you're doing you could make it dance the macarena
19:43<sney>but the installer, she only installs
19:43<sney>just what is an interbird anyway
19:44<interbird>it's a little bird that flies around the earth not ever touching the ground
19:44<sney>like an albatross
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19:45<NerdKitten>this has been quite unhelpful\
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19:45<sney>I answered your question
19:46<NerdKitten>AFTER confusing
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19:46<dondelelcaro>NerdKitten: you can use the Debian installer to do dm-crypt etc.
19:49<snama>iam trying out awesome
19:49<snama>its pretty nice
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19:49<snama>what do you others think about it?
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19:50<dondelelcaro>snama: it's what I use
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19:50<snama>its flexible
19:51<sney>what's next, "codename: running out of codenames"
19:52<sney>in other words, what's an awesome
19:52<dondelelcaro>snama: a window manager
19:52<snama>a window manager
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19:53<interbird>you know what 'smalltalk' (gossip) is ?
19:54<_5618_>is there a tool to configure X from cli?
19:54<interbird>in debian?
19:54<_5618_>other than dpk-reconfigure
19:54<_5618_>yes, i want to regenerate xorg.conf
19:54<interbird>is it broken?
19:55<_5618_>coz the one which was generated during installation doesn't have anything
19:55<interbird>made a backup of it?
19:56<_5618_>lol, yeah
19:56<sney>xorgconfig or something
19:56<_5618_>it doesn't have anything to back it up
19:56<snama>xorgconfig is non-existant in debian isnt it?
19:56<interbird>well, depends on your card etc
19:56<snama>didnt they remove it?
19:57<dondelelcaro>_5618_: in general, you shouldn't need it
19:57<sney>or just vi xorg.conf
19:57<_5618_>ati radeon hd 3470
19:57<dondelelcaro>_5618_: if you actually do need to customize it, use xorg -config
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19:58<_5618_>sney, basically, the xorg.conf contains only the definition of the keyboard
19:58<dondelelcaro>_5618_: yes, which is what it's supposed to contain
19:58<_5618_>and the fonts
19:58<witte>_5618_: doesn't your config work?
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19:59<witte>_5618_: lenny has much lower configuration requirements for X than earlier debians
19:59<interbird>so, dpkg-reconfigure xorg just puts your keyboard there ?
19:59<dondelelcaro>interbird: it doesn't do anything anymore
20:00<_5618_>interbird, yes
20:00<sney>there are scripts that come with X that can do it
20:00<dondelelcaro>X knows far more about how the system should be configured than the old config scripts did
20:00<_5618_>then i shall try xorg -config
20:01<interbird>dondelelcaro: i recently used it
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20:02<_5618_>command not found
20:02<sney>it would be Xorg
20:04<_5618_>command not found
20:04<_5618_>i only have X and X11
20:05<interbird>I stand corrected; I was on Sarge I recently used it.
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20:07<sney>case sensitive
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20:09<qwerty>i am sorry my inglis is bab very bad
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20:10<interbird>mie t2
20:10<interbird>bat ya haf a kwestio ?
20:10<_5618_>ok, time for bitchx
20:10<qwerty>the w
20:10<interbird>hehe :-)
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20:11<qwerty>why open source
20:11<interbird>why not?
20:14<qwerty>wind --copy --linux
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20:17<danger>Hey guys, quick question does compiz fusion work for users connecting remotely using vncviewer?
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20:17<interbird>no quite
20:17<interbird>connection too slow
20:18<interbird>it will in the future
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20:19<qwerty>linux--philosof wind---$
20:20<qwerty>wind --pfilosof +$
20:20<interbird>little story:
20:20<interbird>two rooms
20:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 401] by debhelper
20:21<interbird>separated by wall
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20:21<interbird>5 people in the rooms; 10 in total
20:22<interbird>both rooms big pa of soup in the middle
20:22<interbird>people are on chairs around the pan of soup
20:22<interbird>bound to chair
20:23<interbird>long spoons to reach into pan of soup
20:23<qwerty>5 porks big in circus
20:24<interbird>in one room biggest and strongest use spoon to slay others to get soup
20:24<interbird>other room...
20:24<simonrvn>1 troll in a channel, and one off-topic dude
20:24<interbird>use long spoon to feed each other
20:24<qwerty>tower of babel
20:24<danger>exactly simon
20:25<simonrvn>interbird: that's a culturally loaded story however. i don't think that would be the case for all human primates.
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20:26<resume-prob>Hello Guys, i come back and need help
20:26<resume-prob>after compiled i had a kernel panic
20:27<interbird>simonrvn: did i say that was the case? sadly it is for most. just look around
20:27<resume-prob>kernel panic : not syncing; VFS; Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
20:27<ghantoos>resume-prob: this is because when you installed your kernel, no initrd was generated
20:27<qwerty>compi what?
20:27<sney>resume-prob: welcome to the fun part of building your own kernel
20:27<simonrvn>interbird: sad, it is.
20:27<resume-prob>well i installed it with dpkg
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20:28<jidm>im bound, james bound
20:28<amphi>resume-prob: you should build an initrd, or build everything needed to mount / into the kernel monolithically
20:28<amphi>ie. not modules
20:28<ghantoos>resume-prob: cp those 2 files, rebuild your kernel and reinstall it
20:28<resume-prob>i think it did all hard work for me XD
20:29<interbird>simonrvn: indeed, but once one understands that it is not 'quantity' that counts but QUALITY, one can become a pupil and a teacher all in one...
20:29<qwerty>mono after compi
20:29<danger>Since no one answered my question is it possible in any way to vnc into the machine your on?
20:29<qwerty>kiss me
20:30<interbird>try to connect to localhost:5900
20:30<danger>need to install a vnc server first :/ lol
20:30<amphi>!bite qwerty
20:30*dpkg takes a big bite out of qwerty's jugular vein
20:31<danger>!give swine flu qwerty
20:31*dpkg gives swine flu qwerty
20:31<simonrvn>interbird: ;)
20:31<qwerty>2 heaven sky
20:31<simonrvn>ignore qwerty
20:31<resume-prob>i have a .deb package of my kernel, i will have to recompile it again?
20:32<ghantoos>resume-prob: try re-installing it first
20:32<resume-prob>copy the files and then reinstalling
20:32<qwerty>today no
20:32<ghantoos>resume-prob: yes
20:32<simonrvn>today yes. *plonk*
20:33<interbird>simonrvn: cool, seemed to me you would grasp that. kudo's. Who reprograms dpkg nowadays ?
20:33<resume-prob>ill try
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20:33<sney>when you vnc into your own machine you can see forever
20:33<simonrvn>interbird: anyone who can, usually.
20:34<danger>it wont let me do it sney!
20:34<danger> main: unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111)
20:34<interbird>on a clear day you can see forever... (you lucky bastard)
20:34<simonrvn>interbird: it's harder living it however ;)
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20:34<interbird>is it? simonrvn?
20:35<simonrvn>sometimes. i expect a lot from myself.
20:35<interbird>don't ever change
20:36<danger>:( I can't vnc into myself !!! noooo!!!
20:36<interbird>localhost:5900; be sure youre vnc-server is running (whatever-one you use)
20:37<danger>nah that doesn't work for me interbird - using tightvncserver
20:38<dr|z3d>tightvncserver or x11vnc .. depends on what you want to achieve.. separate session, or shared desktop..
20:38<interbird>ps -ef | grep -i vnc
20:38<interbird>something there danger ?
20:39<danger>yes interbird
20:39<danger>root 7576 7263 0 01:53 pts/2 00:00:00 vncviewer
20:39<interbird>you have no server running
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20:39<interbird>(vnc server)
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20:39<qwerty>digo que el kernel lo compila el desarroyador el escritor y no tu
20:39<danger>argh yes.. hmmmm....
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20:40<dr|z3d>danger: at a terminal type: tightvncserver
20:40<qwerty>te dara fallos
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20:40<danger>I did that dr|z3d
20:40<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:41<interbird>!dpkg dpkg
20:41<dpkg>it has been said that dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
20:41<dr|z3d>Then connect to it on ip:1, probably.
20:41<qwerty>no soy portugues soy español dpkg
20:41<dr|z3d>Note the x-session number, that's important. You need to supply that after the :
20:41<danger>well ps -u<username> shows Xtightvnc runnning....
20:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:42<danger>yep for some reason didn't include the : bit thanks dr|z3d
20:43<danger>sorry another question which file is it that i edit to get gnome to start up when the user vnc's in?
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20:43<interbird>who was the one trying to connect to vnc ?
20:43<dr|z3d>edit the users xsession file in ~/.vnc or wherever
20:44<danger>cheers it's /root/.vnc/xstartup
20:44<dr|z3d>That's the one.
20:44<qwerty>los ingleses son unos estirados que solo saben tomar hierbas cocidas
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20:45<interbird>danger: it's not wise to do that as root; root is for maintenance;
20:45<danger>Just playing on this system, but yes I understand when and when not to use root
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20:45<sney>some things just don't work properly as root, also
20:46<danger>very true
20:46<sney>if you don't need security then use your regular user account and add yourself to the sudo group with no password
20:46<qwerty>esperando que el mundo se mate para quitarles la reliquias
20:46<dr|z3d>!ops qwerty's trolling in spanish and shizz.
20:46<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: qwerty's trolling in spanish and shizz.
20:46<danger>what do I put in .vnc/startup to get it to "load" gnome? I
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20:47<qwerty>la verdad duele
20:48<dr|z3d>It's startxfce4 for xfce4.. possibly gnome-session ? Hmm..
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20:48<dr|z3d>The truth indeed hurts so much, qwerty.
20:48*dr|z3d chuckles.
20:48<dr|z3d>And the truth is, nobody cares.
20:48<interbird>danger: in Gnome just enable "menu->system->preferences->remote desktop" -- this is a built-in vnc-server
20:49<danger>thanks interbird
20:49<dr|z3d>Ceuta :)
20:49<qwerty>iros ya a tomar por saco
20:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:50<qwerty>manada de mangantes
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20:50<sney>he doesn't want help, he wants to sit there and insult us in spanish
20:50<cockroach>hey. i recently upgraded to sid's xorg and am now using evdev for my keyboard. however, some keys don't seem to auto-repeat (when held down) anymore (eg. arrow-down and arrow-left), others work just fine. any ideas?
20:50<interbird>querty: you ca talk english, please do so on this channel please
20:50<sney>I guess his usual hobby of chupando polla is just not exciting enough for him tonight. ;)
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20:50<qwerty>yo hablo y escribo español la lengua de cervantes so burro
20:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:51<qwerty>tu eres un renegao puerco pigmeo
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20:51<interbird>cockroach: what kind of keyboard do you use? (us,, other) ?
20:51<cockroach>interbird: us (usb)
20:52<interbird>cockroach: what key does not work ?
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20:52<cockroach>interbird: left-arrow for instance. it does "work", it just doesn't repeat.
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20:53<interbird>ahh, that's different; are we talking console (text) or gnome (grapical)
20:53<qwerty>debian de que ingles de que
20:54<cockroach>graphical, xorg from sid
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20:55<interbird>you know that in SID some things may not work because it is kinda experimental ?
20:55<cockroach>i do. i am aware of that. just thought maybe somebody had had the same problem and found a fix yet.
20:57<interbird>not me, i'm sorry; try to tangle with your locale-settings either from the shell or from the gui; please keep in mind that sid is what it is; "as-it-is"
20:58<cockroach>ok, thanks anyway. i guess i'll wait until xorg hits testing, then i'll start complaining :)
20:59<interbird>or try to fix it and ventilate your fix. that's what made sid possible anyways :-)
20:59<cockroach>yeah. if i find some time. this whole evdev-hal-whatever stuff still looks a little magical to me :)
21:01<qwerty>picasso entendio bien xorg
21:01<shamanix>sorry I've been away for some time, Interbird if you still remember that Wine thing, it's not a command that gives the error, I got it a few times while I was installing a prog (FL Studio namely)
21:01<interbird>i understand that, but to understand is to learn and to learn is to be able to contribute and that's a little bit what Debian is about. Very much appreciate your effords. Thanks !
21:02<qwerty>x era el punto y org el lugar donde debia tocar
21:02<dr|z3d>!ops please terminate qwerty.
21:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: please terminate qwerty.
21:03<interbird>shamanix: what if you do: wine cmd in your terminal ?
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21:04<shamanix>i'll try that, once without su and once with
21:04<interbird>shamanix: no su needed
21:04-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
21:04-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*] by dondelelcaro
21:04-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
21:05<adama>rhythmbox is hogging the CPU once in a while... it appears only once in "ps fax" but several times in htop... any ideas?
21:05<interbird>shamanix: open a terminal as the user you are
21:05<interbird>shamanix: then enter wine cmd
21:05<interbird>shamanix: does it complain about e acls?
21:06<shamanix>interesting no error msgbox, but the terminal says fixme:advapi:CheckTokenMembership ((nil) 0x127e60 0x33fb28) stub!
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21:08<interbird>shamanix: you might want to tinker with winecfg (just from a terminal; no entering wine needed). With this you can customize your wine environment.
21:08<interbird>I don't know what you want to run under wine, what is fl?
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21:09<shamanix>it's a musicmaking prog
21:10<interbird>ok, little question... Nothing that compares with that as a native Linux program? Looked at Audacity ?
21:10<witte>shamanix: try rosegarden
21:10<witte>interbird: musicmaking != music playing
21:12<shamanix>I'll give a few alternatives a try, audacity I use but thats for sound editing, not for serious sequencing
21:12<dr|z3d>shamanix: Reason will run under Wine. fwiw.
21:12<witte>interbird: ah, audacity is indeed not audacious, my fault
21:14<shamanix>Reason doesn't do VST, and I absolutly need VST, otherwise the prog runs fine but a few samples, VST plugins are missing
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21:15<dr|z3d> &
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21:16<shamanix>thanks for the links dr|z3d
21:16<interbird>shamanix: i advise you to learn more about Wine if you want things like audio and use specific windows programs that use it. Look at or com for more
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21:17<interbird>witte: I know, audacious is the 'follow-up' of xmms, not ?
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21:18<witte>interbird: yeah, indeed, and I thought you mentioned that program, but it must be getting late :P
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21:19<interbird>witte: depends on the timezone :-)
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21:19<witte>CET, 03:19
21:19<interbird>same here :-(
21:20<interbird>witte: dutch? belgium?
21:20<witte>yes, yes
21:20<witte>dutch speaking, belgian
21:20<interbird>witte: Ja, we hebben wel eens eerder contact gehad; leuk !
21:21-!-Zviper [] has joined #debian
21:21<interbird>(yes we had contact eralier, nice)
21:22<ghantoos>google says: Yes, we have ever previously had contact, fun! ;)
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21:22<sney>I guess dpkg doesn't know that one
21:22<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
21:22<interbird>You know where the name "Google" comes from ?
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21:23<witte>interbird: 10^100
21:23<sney>isn't it a misspelling of googol, as in googolplex
21:23<witte>interbird: or something like that
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21:23<interbird>One of the founders has a kid...
21:24<bevis>how does debian compare to ubuntu
21:24<interbird>And one time he asked his kid how he would call someting truly 'BIG'
21:24<interbird>The kid came up with something like 'goggle' or alike...
21:24<amphi>it's more lovely, and more temperate
21:25<interbird>This went into Google...
21:25<witte>bevis: debian is the father/mother of ubuntu
21:25<interbird>bevis: Debian compares to Ubuntu as flollows:
21:26<bevis>witte, I know it's the father/mother of ubuntu, but I want to know how they compare
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21:27<interbird>bevis: If you want almost everyting on your system to work: use Ubuntu; if you are willing to find out why some things don't work and want to help to make them work use Debian"
21:27<shamanix>my 2cents: if your a complete n00b use ubuntu, if your a control freak use debian
21:27<bevis>interbird, so debian is just a broken ubuntu?
21:27<sney>ubuntu is a more specialized debian
21:28<shamanix>no ubuntu is a broken debian, because i find ubuntu more buggy then debian
21:28<witte>bevis: they are the same software, but different default settings: ubuntu uses all defaults that an idiot can use, but it is difficult to do something more detailed, in debian you can use the esay also, but this is not default
21:29<witte>s/esay/easy way/
21:29<bevis>witte, easy how?
21:29<dr|z3d>bevis: Debian is not a broken Ubuntu. Ubuntu is built *on top of* Debian, with some extra stuff for noobs, as shamanix says.
21:29<interbird>ghantoos: yeah, that's the one I remembered reading once upon a time, cool you could find that ! :-)
21:29<dr|z3d>Some like to think of Ubuntu as a dumbed down Debian for Dummies.
21:29<ghantoos>interbird: ;)
21:30<sney>it has a specific purpose. debian's purpose is what you make it
21:30<witte>bevis: in debian you will be more inclined to use the command line, but you can use synaptic and google network-applet etc just as you can in ubuntu (ubuntu uses mostly debian packages with some minor tweaks)
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21:30<interbird>bevis: no, Ubuntu is actually the broken one since it is not free......................
21:30<interbird>(uses non-free software)
21:31<sney>oh goodness, confusing the noob with RMS stuff
21:31<ghantoos>witte: I'de say taht Ubuntu is a preconfigured debian that includes proprietary packages by default
21:31<witte>bevis: just see ubuntu as a debian with a bunch of settings that make it more easy to use for the beginner
21:31<witte>ghantoos: agreed
21:31<amphi>and far fewer supported packages
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21:31<witte>in my opinion: ubuntu is good enough for the average user
21:32<interbird>it is
21:32<witte>debian is more (but may be more difficult for the average user)
21:32<interbird>but we want a world of free software
21:32<bevis>i started in slackware, and as I see it, ubuntu has gone through a lot of trouble to make things work on a wide variety of machines. i would have to spend hours on slack just to get the damn thing up and running. so if were going to use debian, I was wonder what would be the reason since I can just use something that works--ubuntu
21:32<witte>interbird: you want a world of free software, not everyone does...
21:32<interbird>and in the end there is no cocession
21:33<interbird>witte: do you ?
21:33<shamanix>if you want a distro where everything works out of the box give Mint a try
21:33<interbird>mint is *very* cool
21:33<witte>bevis: debian works as well, but maybe you have to read a manual more to get something done (then again, maybe not)
21:33<interbird>but also not free
21:33<sney>debian is not quite as tinkery as slack
21:34<witte>interbird: no, but that is not the point (and i'm pragmatic in this, i try open source, if it does not work, closed source is ok)
21:34<bevis>ubuntu depends upon debian distros correct?
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21:34<sney>I think they're self-sufficient these days
21:34<interbird>witte: so you pay
21:34<shamanix>ubuntu has its on distros, though most of the time debian could work
21:34<witte>interbird: I have software where someone pays for, yes
21:34<bevis>so if i were to contribute to an ubuntu project it wouldnt back port to debian and vice versa?
21:35<sney>depends on what it is
21:35<dpkg>One of the frequent activities of Ubuntu developers is copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. Well, Utnubu is about the reverse, copying packages from Ubuntu to Debian. Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian project. Maybe you want to visit or #debian-ubuntu
21:35<sney>but, probably not
21:35<sney>or what do I know, I've been out of the loop for 2 years
21:35<bevis>dpkg, thanks
21:35<dpkg>bevis: my pleasure
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21:36<interbird>witte: well, there is all there is that needs to be sad; the whole open-source idea; refrase: "free-software" as in rights (not beer) is based on free thoughts implemented in software
21:37<interbird>witte: this means that: 1. you can buy (help making propr.. vendords get richer) or 2. you can share and help the free development and innovation.
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21:39<interbird>I don't buy software and I am discovering that I am able to compile software to make it do what I want.
21:39<sney>today's interbird was brought to you by babelfish
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21:39<witte>interbird: yes, but I can't program decent programs, especially not all the specialized programs that exist. This is not what I do, and not what I am paid for. I can help on these projects, but that's it
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21:40<interbird>witte: i disagree with you
21:40<interbird>witte: you might noy get paid
21:40<interbird>witte: (maybe later)
21:40<interbird>witte: but you can help in like for instance translations
21:40<witte>interbird: this is completely unrelated
21:40<interbird>witte: free software is not as in beer
21:41<witte>interbird: don't preach to the choir
21:41<interbird>witte: it is as in share
21:41<interbird>sorry :-)
21:42<interbird>So, witte, why could I not view the Olympics ?
21:42<witte>if there is an alternative, i use it, if not, I need to get the work done. If I can do something for open source, I will, but my time and capabilities in this respect are limited...
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21:42<interbird>That is not the issue witte...
21:43<interbird>Why was I not able to view the Omlympic Games ?
21:43<enouf>you were in jail?
21:44<interbird>Jail? In a sense; yes.
21:45<interbird>I was not able to view them because they required a closed technology.
21:45<interbird>Do I let myself put in jail ?
21:46<enouf>that happens more often than not ... and nobody cares about the olympics anyway
21:46<interbird>enouf: you miss my point
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21:46<enouf>you miss mine - reread first clause
21:47<interbird>It cannot be that governments or live coveridge of events is broadcasted in closed formats...
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21:48<interbird>This very thing contradicts democracy
21:48<interbird>and nothing happens...
21:48<cockroach>it did to me. got a friendly message from dpkg.
21:49<cockroach>in private though. help is not public :)
21:49<interbird> dpkg ?
21:49<dpkg>interbird: i haven't a clue
21:49<cockroach>yep, that one :)
21:49<interbird>dpkg: you should be reprogrammed; you are too old now; make sense again...
21:49<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
21:50<interbird>Thing is...
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21:51<interbird>Posing technology on the mass by a bunch of big companis is sooooo retarded
21:51<cockroach>people are retarded. welcome to the world.
21:52<interbird>That does not mean i have to behave retarded too because that is the new "mode to wear", or does it ?
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21:53<cockroach>nah. you just sit there and watch them stream their wmas and stuff.
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21:53<interbird>No, seriously, let's not forsake the ground of this coversation...
21:54<cockroach>"rant" you mean?
21:54<interbird>People are idiots to buy what can be gotten for free; and that's just the tip op the iceberg.
21:55<sney>I prefer not to break the law
21:55<interbird>People like to be part of someting, to create someting.
21:55<sney>little weakness I've got
21:55<interbird>And that is where things like open-source fit the bill.
21:56<cockroach>how does that statement about "creating" fit in?
21:56<interbird>My friend, there is no law; just like there is Guantoimo Bay
21:56<interbird>creating is the opposite of destroying
21:56<interbird>that is where it fits in
21:57<sney>far out
21:57<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
21:58<cockroach>i'm pretty sure this is not one of the times when "the channel's busy"
21:59<cockroach>well anyway, it's 4am here, i think i'll be leaving the machine and go read sometime. g'night everyone.
21:59<interbird>nah, then you should have seen how it was here before...)
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22:00<cockroach>a-HA! complain, then leave!
22:00<sney>besides, a free software rant is fairly relevant to debian
22:00<sney>since debian makes the biggest deal about free and non-free
22:00<sney>well, short of RMS anyway
22:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 395] by debhelper
22:01<interbird>it's not about debian; it's about what we (people) want
22:01<sney>shut up interbird I'm backing you up here
22:01<interbird>it's not a war
22:01<cockroach>people want "stuff that works", they don't care about openness and other details.
22:01<interbird>then pay for that
22:01<shamanix>yeah like windows works :-)
22:01<interbird>anyone complaining about debian is a fou !
22:02<interbird>(a loco == idiot)
22:02<cockroach>i'm not paying. i don't want stuff that works. that's why i'm using xorg from sid!
22:02<sney>right, so convert all of the IT people and CTOs and stuff
22:02<sney>yeah, I installed squeeze on my eee because i wanted something to tinker with
22:02<sney>I'd go sid but I prefer to have working network interfaces
22:03<cockroach>those are overrated.
22:03<interbird>things are simple
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22:04<cockroach>depends on things. if they are written in perl, they are not!
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22:04<interbird>no, truly, cock, things are simple
22:04<interbird>there ishardware
22:05<cockroach>i prefer not being called that! :)
22:05<interbird>and there is software
22:05<cockroach>reminds me of my icq days when my account kept being renamed to " roach"
22:05<cockroach>see, you already forgot firmware!
22:06<interbird>firmware is an illusio
22:06<interbird>it is like i said
22:06<sney>wifi is a sore point for many f/oss zealots
22:06<interbird>hard and software
22:06<cockroach>tell that to my intel network chip. then i could remove that crap from my drive.
22:07<interbird>software in eeprom or flash is just siftware; firmware is just one more distinction
22:07<interbird>software makes hardware work
22:07<cockroach>i hear the wifi situation is getting better, though. not that i had any issues except for madwifi panicking all over me lately...
22:07<interbird>free software makes free hardware work
22:07<interbird>because ?
22:07<cockroach>free hardware?
22:08<interbird>never heard of that cockroach ?
22:08<cockroach>not really
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22:09<interbird>(just a fast hit)
22:09<cockroach>ah, that stuff
22:10<interbird>yes, that stuff
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22:10<cockroach>so what about it?
22:11<interbird>what about it ?
22:11<interbird>what not about it
22:11<cockroach>yes, saw one of them once (moko), kind of ... big :)
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22:12<cockroach>i like the idea, though
22:12<interbird>do you have a cell phone ?
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22:13<cockroach>yes, and a pretty crappy one
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22:14<interbird>do you want it to be better ?
22:14<cockroach>it will be better, once decent androids come out
22:14<resume-prob>hello guys, cping that and reinstalling kernel package works. But i have a problema
22:14<interbird>there you go...
22:15<cockroach>(howTF did i end up on the "bad" side of the conversation!? </offtopic>)
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22:15<resume-prob>when i start Gnome, the gdm login page dont appears, just a flashing white page
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22:16<interbird>you did not; just your imagination
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22:16<resume-prob>i thonk its a fglrx driver problem
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22:16<interbird>resume-prob: gdm comes before gnome
22:17<cockroach>resume-prob: did you try a different driver?
22:17<resume-prob>yes, i want to say before starting gnome
22:17<Searles>I know that this isn't the correct location for asking this question, but if someone could please just help me, I'd be very grateful.
22:17<Searles>When installing a larger HDD in an XBox, what exactly does it mean by blank HDD? Does that mean that I format a HDD to NTFS?
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22:18<cockroach>Searles: not that i'm an expert or anything, but have a look at the way the original hdd was formatted, maybe that helps
22:18<resume-prob>yes, i downloaded the last ATI installer, and installed it using the kernel 2.6.29-2
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22:18<resume-prob>but the flashing white page still appearing
22:19<resume-prob>on GDM
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22:20<resume-prob>and when i restart and try the old kernel, the flashing page appears on it too.
22:20<resume-prob>so i install it again on the old and gdm entrers commmon
22:20<interbird>resume-prob: i assume it worked and now it does not; what changed ?
22:20<resume-prob>enters normally
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22:22<cockroach>resume-prob: what about trying the open source radeon drivers?
22:22<interbird>ok, so it's fine; no problem; normally means ok
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22:22<resume-prob>i think they dont work on my card
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22:23<resume-prob>Radeon X1200
22:23<cockroach>hmm, not sure. i'm using a radeon x1950 just fine (but no 3d support in lenny/squeeze yet)
22:24<resume-prob>but i have another problem so... since mornig i cant use wifi on Debian
22:24<resume-prob>(i need 3d support
22:24<cockroach>what about the wifi?
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22:25<resume-prob>but the same problem with fglrx happens when i tried to install it on 2.6.26-2 (on 2.6.26-1 it works normally)
22:26<cockroach>can't help you there, haven't used fglrx in ages
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22:28<interbird>first update your system; then make a copy of /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup;
22:29<resume-prob>cockroach, i did it
22:29<interbird>which version are you using? the version in the Debian repository or did you try to install the one from the ATI-site ?
22:29<resume-prob>i downloaded the installer from the site
22:30<resume-prob>but before i had installed the driver from repository for 2.6.26-1 kernel
22:30<interbird>that sounds like a mess
22:31<resume-prob>but i have already purged all from my sistem... and installing from site
22:31<interbird>do you know how to uninstall the driver you downloaded from the ati-site ?
22:32<interbird>it should be the program you had to chmod+x
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22:32<resume-prob>yes, and when i uinstall it drivers stop working
22:32<interbird>run this program with the --uninstall switch
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22:33<resume-prob>ohh god, when i install form ATI site i forgot module assistent
22:33<interbird>so it works now ?
22:33<shamanix>downloaded the installer from the site? how, I never saw a deb package there? although I have a 9200, and the latest drivers don't support this card unfortunatly
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22:33<pato>hey guys i need some help
22:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
22:33<pato>i am trying to compile nvidia module for 2.6.29-1
22:33<cockroach> (sorry) :)
22:34<pato>but i get this error linux-headers-2.6.29-1-amd64: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.29 but it is not installable
22:34<cockroach>so install it
22:34<resume-prob>ill try put it to work, ill enter on Debian
22:34<cockroach>"apt-get install linux-kbuild-2.6.29"
22:35<pato>there is no file
22:35<pato>no candidate version
22:36<pato>whats the sid port i should use?
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22:36<cockroach>where did you get the headers-2.6.29-1 from. sid?
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22:36<resume-prob>but about my wifi problem.. i have the password of the connection, in windows i can conect, but on linux i can see the network, click on conect, put the password, but it dont conects
22:37<resume-prob>whats up? yesterday i can conect on it
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22:37<Silicium01>I've installed squid3 proxy on remote machine. am tunneling into that machine but it keeps saying waiting for when I actually try to use proxy
22:37<Silicium01>any ideas how I can troubleshoot it?
22:37<cockroach>resume-prob: what did you change?
22:37<resume-prob>i dont nkow...
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22:38<resume-prob>aptitude update-full-upgrade today and recompile kernel
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22:38<resume-prob>(i try conect on old kernel)
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22:39<cockroach>(have to boot, brb)
22:39<resume-prob>well, ill let you think about it, and try make my video works and then i comeback,
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22:41<pato>cockroach, thanks i got it, now which repo should i add for sid to the sources.list
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22:42<cockroach>pato: first, be warned that sid breaks stuff
22:42<dpkg>methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
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22:43<cockroach>if you can handle it:
22:43<pato>cockroach, i am using sid because my wireless adapter intel pro 5100 agn only works in sid
22:43<cockroach>ah, i see
22:43<cockroach>are you sure?
22:44<cockroach>ah, does it need 2.6.29?
22:44<pato>yes i need 2.6.29
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22:44<cockroach>hmm, sucks
22:45<pato>now i am trying to compile the nvidia driver for 2.6.29
22:45<pato>aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source=180.29-1 doesnt give me any matches
22:45<pato>so i think i need a different sid repo
22:46<cockroach>pato: frankly, if you only need that package, you can download it manually from
22:46<cockroach>or you could use "pinning"
22:46<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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22:55<Silicium01>Has anyone used squid3 proxy here?
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22:56<gsimmons>Silicium01: Ask for information, not people.
22:56<gsimmons>!tell Silicium01 -about anyone
22:56<cockroach>he already tried
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22:57<gsimmons>Silicium01: Then ask #squid on freenode.
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22:57<Silicium01>I have squid3 setup, it should be working as I havent touched config (default lenny package) but when I tunel into remote machine and try to use firefox connect to lcoalhost, it shows me "waiting for url" in status bar
22:58<Silicium01>gsimmons, that channel seems to be very inactive, asked there too
22:58<Silicium01>gsimmons, I am wondering if there is a way for me to "ping" service on specific port to see if it's reachable
23:01<Silicium01>cockroach, ot tells me connected tolocalhost, Escape character is ... so this means connection is ok right?
23:02<cockroach>what happens when you type "GET /"
23:03<Silicium01>cockroach, I just noticed that on remote machine when i do telnet localhost 3128 it hangs
23:03<pato>cockroach, thanks a lot
23:03<cockroach>Silicium01: that's a bad sign :)
23:03<Silicium01>but if I do it on machine where I have tunnel to remote it connect
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23:03<cockroach>pato: you're welcome
23:04<Silicium01>cockroach, let me try GET
23:04<insigne>What...I Brazilian
23:04<Silicium01>cockroach, nothing happens, hangs
23:05<cockroach>not good. firewalled?
23:05<insigne>What??..I.dont spiek english
23:05<Silicium01>cockroach, not sure, it's a virtual machine default lenny image
23:05<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:05<Silicium01>cockroach, how can I check?
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23:05<cockroach>Silicium01: iptables -L
23:07<Silicium01>cockroach, result of iptables -L :
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23:07<cockroach>or... does telnet work from a remote host?
23:08<Silicium01>cockroach, telnet does not work on the remote vps machine where squid is installed and running
23:08<cockroach>Silicium01: and if you try to connect from somewhere else?
23:08<Silicium01>it works on my lcoal machine from which I'm tunelling into remote machine, but GET / does not do anything
23:08<Silicium01>cockroach, didnt work from my friends place either
23:08<cockroach>Silicium01: i see. are telnetting to the right port? :)
23:09<Silicium01>default port
23:09<cockroach>Silicium01: hold on. tunnelling? ssh?
23:09<Silicium01>cockroach, yes, sshing into remote machine
23:09<Silicium01>so that I would connect to squid as if it was lcoalhost
23:09<cockroach>on an entirely different note: does anyone have a clue why sysrq-b might not be working on my machine? all other commands i tried work just fine...
23:10<cockroach>Silicium01: okay. and is squid configured to listen to the local interface?
23:10<Silicium01>cockroach, default squid3 install listend to localhost yes
23:11<cockroach>Silicium01: this is getting interesting :) - let me see...\
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23:13<Silicium01>sudo netstat -plunt shows me
23:13<Silicium01>on remote machine that is
23:13<Silicium01>but telnet localhost 3128 hangs
23:13<pato>cockroach, the isntaller is asking me for this -- Binary package(s) for kernel(s): + (2.6.29-1-amd64): whats the one i need?
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23:14<cockroach>Silicium01: so nothing happens when you type "GET /" in that telnet session
23:14<cockroach>pato: huh? what does it ask?
23:14<Silicium01>cockroach, no because it shows Trying
23:15<pato>-- Binary package(s) for kernel(s): │
23:15<pato> │ + (2.6.29-1-amd64): not found
23:15<Silicium01>pato use
23:15<cockroach>pato: do you have the kernel image installed?
23:15<Zviper>anyone help? my root pw suddenly doesn't work, although i still have access to the webmin
23:15<cockroach>pato: "dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.29-1-amd64"
23:16<cockroach>Silicium01: weird. i just installed squid3 here and it works just fine
23:17<Silicium01>cockroach, is it listening to ?
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23:18<cockroach>pato: looks good. now i haven't used that nvidia stuff in ages, but IIRC it's just trying to find a precompiled version of the driver. you should be able to tell it to shut up and build a new one.
23:18<Silicium01>cockroach, does telnet localhost 3128 work on your machine?
23:19<cockroach>Silicium01: yes, telnet works
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23:19<cockroach>Silicium01: "netstat -plan|grep 3128" says "tcp 0 0* LISTEN 5851/(squid)"
23:19<pato>cockroach, oki i will try
23:20<Silicium01>this sucks, dont know what to do
23:21<cockroach>Silicium01: hold on some more, i installed squid from squeeze. trying the lenny version.
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23:21<Silicium01>cockroach, ok
23:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
23:22<cesurasean>can someone tell me how to fix this problem?
23:22<cesurasean>I removed the files by hand on accident.
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23:22<cesurasean>I'm not really sure what I need to do to fix apt.
23:23<cockroach>cesurasean: you can edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-8.3.prerm to just shut up
23:23<cesurasean>can I just delete postgresql-8.3.prerm?
23:23<Silicium01>cockroach, I dotn know if this will help, but I installed mysql now, and telnet localhost 3306 is still stuck on Trying
23:24<cesurasean>and postgresql-8.3-client will go away from apt?
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23:24<cockroach>cesurasean: no, just add "exit 0" right after the first line
23:24<cockroach>cesurasean: then you can apt-get remove it again
23:24<cesurasean>why leave the file?
23:24<cockroach>cesurasean: it will go away
23:24<cesurasean>and it will remove from apt's database?
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23:25<cockroach>cesurasean: when you use apt-get remove, yes
23:25<Silicium01>cockroach, I can hot telnet other services on localhost either... I think this si where the trouble is
23:25<cockroach>Silicium01: sounds reasonable :)
23:25<Silicium01>not sure what to blame though
23:25<cockroach>Silicium01: do you have a 'lo' interface?
23:26<Silicium01>cockroach, not sure what that is, how can I check?
23:26<cockroach>Silicium01: ifconfig lo
23:26<cesurasean>cockroach: only one of my servers is showing a /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-8.3.prerm file.
23:26<cesurasean>why is this?
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23:26<cockroach>cesurasean: because that's the only one which has postgres-8.3 installed?
23:27<cockroach>Silicium01: it seems to lack an ip address :)
23:27<cockroach>Silicium01: what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like?
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23:28<cockroach>cesurasean: the script is part of the package (many packages have those scripts) and is there to do some cleanup before the package gets removed.
23:28<cockroach>cesurasean: it's usually not *that* great an idea to mess with it, but if all else fails... :)
23:29<cockroach>Silicium01: add the lines "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" to it
23:29<cockroach>Silicium01: then ifup lo
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23:29<Silicium01>cockroach, where do i add them?
23:29<sney>even the best package manager hits a wall sometimes
23:29<cockroach>Silicium01: also, maybe respect the silly line on top telling you not to edit the file :)
23:29<cockroach>wtf is /etc/network/interfaces.template?
23:30<cockroach>Silicium01: pretty much anywhere. i would add if before the "# Auto generated interfaces" line
23:30<Silicium01>/etc/network/interfaces.template is empty
23:30<cockroach>Silicium01: hmm.
23:31<Silicium01>err... no such file
23:31<cockroach>Silicium01: maybe you can add it in there, but i don't know how/when/why the other file is regenerated. never seen anything like that.
23:31<cockroach>Silicium01: ah. even worse :)
23:31<Silicium01>cockroach, it could be some vps specific mumbo jumbo
23:31<cockroach>Silicium01: just add it to the interfaces file then.
23:31<cockroach>Silicium01: it could
23:32<cockroach>Silicium01: would be a pretty incompetent hoster, though, if then generated files without lo... :)
23:32<cesurasean>thank you cockroach
23:32<cesurasean>fix it now. :)
23:32<cockroach>cesurasean: you're welcome
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23:32<cesurasean>I had done a find on all the files
23:32<cesurasean>do you think I got all of them removed?
23:33<cockroach>cesurasean: if you want to make *really* sure that your system if properly cleaned up, you could install and remove the package once more. then the script would be run and everybody would be happy...
23:33<cockroach>cesurasean: heh :)
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23:34<cesurasean>yeah, true
23:34<cesurasean>but don't I have to use purge to completely remove the files?
23:34<cesurasean>I had used apt-get remove before, and thats why I had to delete by hand
23:34<cockroach>cesurasean: purge is for config files only
23:34<cockroach>cesurasean: hrm, weird.
23:34<cesurasean>I had deleted postgres-8.3, and I didn't know I had a postgres-8.3-client also installed
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23:35<cockroach>cesurasean: heh. next time, before you manually delete a file, ask dpkg. "dpkg -S /some/file" tells you which package owns the file
23:35<cesurasean>I just did a find / -name postgres
23:35<cesurasean>and deleted everything by hand
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23:35<cockroach>sounds like a good idea :)
23:36<cesurasean>I'm getting this at boot: Tue Apr 28 03:13:13 2009: /etc/rc2.d/S20apf: line 8: /etc/init.d/functions: No such file or directory
23:36<cesurasean>Tue Apr 28 03:13:13 2009: Starting APF:Unable to load iptables module (ipt_multiport), aborting.
23:36<cesurasean>Tue Apr 28 03:13:13 2009: /etc/rc2.d/S20apf: line 21: echo_success: command not found
23:36<cesurasean>and I'm thining about doing the same thing
23:36<cesurasean>unless someone knows how to help me get APF working. :)
23:37<cesurasean>The following packages have been kept back:
23:37<cesurasean> linux-image-2.6-486
23:37<cesurasean>how do I install those? I forget.
23:37<cockroach>cesurasean: sorry, no idea there.
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23:37<cesurasean>apt-get -f?
23:37<cockroach>cesurasean: about the upgrade, use "apt-get dist-upgrade"
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23:38<cockroach>Silicium01: got your lo working?
23:38<Silicium01>checking it now
23:39<Silicium01>cockroach, yes. works now. squid works too. Thank you very much for help
23:39<cockroach>Silicium01: you're welcome
23:40<cesurasean>I used apt-get -f and it worked
23:40<cockroach>cesurasean: hmm, okay. :)
23:40<cesurasean>I guess there is multiple ways of doing it
23:40<cockroach>there always are
23:40<cockroach>well, i'm off, it's getting a little late (early) here, 5:40 am :)
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23:41<cockroach>good night
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23:43<sney>cock to the rescue
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