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---Logopened Sun May 03 00:00:35 2009
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00:00<Arv3n>majhool: nope.
00:00<Arv3n>it says "no medium found on /dev/sdb" or something similar
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00:03<majhool>does /dev/sr0 exist?
00:04<Arv3n>out of ideas?
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00:04<Arv3n>dont feel bad, im practically on my own.. google is useless.
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00:10<Arv3n>majhool, are you spent?
00:10<Arv3n>if you are just say so.
00:11<majhool>Arv3n: i've got a couple of other things i'm attending to, but i am googling
00:12<Arv3n>my mistake.
00:12<Arv3n>me no think google will help, friend.
00:12<majhool>Arv3n: got to know what to ask.
00:12<majhool>Arv3n: Have you looked into the special boot parameters you can pass the installer?
00:12<Arv3n>i know what to ask.
00:13<Arv3n>particularly generic.all_generic_ide=1, but that gives me the "unknown boot option"
00:14<damjan>you probably entered it wrongly
00:14<damjan>Arv3n: what hardware are you trying this on?
00:14<Arv3n>dell inspiron 531.
00:14<Arv3n>uses the mcp_61 chipset
00:15<Arv3n>if i got that boot command to work ,it'd probably work.
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00:16<Arv3n>bug #480061
00:16<Arv3n>unknown boot option
00:17<Arv3n>"As result this causes that the cdrom is not detected and the installation hangs"
00:18<Arv3n>ha, wow. too bad i dont know how to view the reest of the bug report. -_-
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01:00<pabs>does bind9 have the concept of a 'default zone settings'? basically some place to place settings (like allow-query) that are defaults for all the zones
01:02<damjan>options { ?
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01:02<deniz>how do i uninstall a program that i installed by compiling?
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01:04<pabs>damjan: no, those are global and apply to stuff not in any zone. basically I want options { allow-query { localhost; } } zone default { allow-query { any; } } so that I don't have to put allow-query { any; } in every single zone
01:06<ootput>deniz: make uninstall might work
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01:12<zhxk>are debain rolling upgrade ?
01:14<zhxk>linux 2.30.2 rc2
01:14<zhxk>here rc=?
01:14<sney>I don't think that's in the repos yet
01:15<sney>I mean, there's unstable, and then there's gentoo
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01:15<deniz>zhxk, are you asking if debian is a rolling distro?
01:16<ootput>debian's a rolling stone
01:17<deniz>zhxk, unstable (=sid) is, and testing (=squeeze) somewhat, stable (=lenny) not at all; so in other words, it depends on which kind of debian you choose
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01:17<zhxk>deniz:can debain for example, smoothly upgrade to 7.0 from 6.0?
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01:18<deniz>zhxk, 7.0 is unstable?
01:18<jmarsden>zhxk: It might if those versions of Debian existed :) 5.0 == Lenny which is the most recent stable release...
01:19<deniz>jmarsden, is 6.0 = squeeze?
01:19<jmarsden>I think squeeze will one day be 6.0, but I'm not sure when the numbers get assigned... during testing or only at release.
01:20<deniz>jmarsden, i think it's already 6.0 but i cant confirm cuz im on my lenny comp atm
01:21<deniz>zhxk, in my past experience, debian always broke on upgrades but ever since i did apt-get install perl-base before doing apt-get dist-upgrade, i've gotten the smoothest of upgrades
01:21<deniz>that's after changing the sources.list and doing apt-get update of course
01:22<deniz>or u can keep ur sources.list in a name like "testing" instead of the distribution's alias name so that u dont have to change the sources.list file and u can have a rolling debian
01:22<jmarsden>zhxk: has basic info on the releases (and no number yet for squeeze)
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01:28<juaarias>hola soy novato
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01:29<ircleuser>hi how do I install a lamp server on debian?
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01:31<gsimmons>!tell ircleuser -about lamp
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01:42<ircleuser>whats the apt-get command for mysql browser?
01:43<Xenguy>dpkg -l "*mysql*"
01:43<dpkg>ii "*mysql*" 3.3-14.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
01:43<Xenguy>to get the package name
01:43<Xenguy>(I think)
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01:49<ircleuser>how do I find a packge on apt-get?
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01:51<ml|>!tell ircleuser -about apt-cache
01:51<ml|>!tell ircleuser -about aptitude
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01:52<aredhel>ircleuser, apt-cache, for instance "apt-cache search mysql browser"
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01:53<ircleuser>ok thanks
01:53<ml|>ircleuser: read messages from dpkg here on irc
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03:13<Supaplex>majhool locklace valdyn thanks =) looking at it now. I just got back from work.
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03:32<Supaplex>ahh fooey. a bunch of no's in dellpe2550:/proc/acpi# cat ./processor/CPU0/info
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03:40<hachi>co_sange: please don't message random people for giggles
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03:47<wopr>buongiorno gente :)
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04:38<jesperj>Can webcams really be "driverless"? One is claimed to be "driverless" and work on windows and linux? how can a webcam work with "no driver" ? info says "this is a no driver (driveless) webcam. it can work with all systems including Linux"
04:40<Nemoder>probably means it doesn't require a driver unique to the device since the generic one will work
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04:42<jesperj>Nemoder: generic one?
04:43<Nemoder>jesperj: such as cahoot mentioned
04:43<gomoran>That's imilar to USB-Sticks. You need no driver because there is a USB-storage-device-class defined in the standard.
04:43<cahoot>jesperj: if you have the choice go for one that uses uvcvideo
04:44<gomoran>There also is a USB-video-device-class
04:44<jesperj>cahoot: I might email the manufacturer and ask if it is uvcvideo
04:44<cahoot>jesperj: its usbID should suffice
04:44<valdyn>jesperj: its not driverless, but its compliant to a standard where proper operating systems have a driver already
04:45<jesperj>gomoran: oh so it could be that the camera has USB-video-device-class ?
04:45<gomoran>Yes, could be. That's uvc as mentioned by others.
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04:46<jesperj>thank you
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05:41<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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06:05<zhxk>how to let zhxk be in wheel group?
06:05<ootput>wheel is deprecated
06:06<ootput>zhxk: use sudo instead
06:06<ootput>(sudo group)
06:08<zhxk>well, there are only pw here
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06:08<tombs>hi all
06:08<cahoot>zhxk: putting the same questions in three channels simultaneously?
06:09<tombs>how can I make nvidia-glx works under sid please?
06:10<tombs>I mean..the package is broken, but I have no X working
06:10<zhxk>how to?
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06:14<ootput>in fact, read the whole thing
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06:32<ramoonas>hey i have a question. I found a bug. When i open audio link in iceweasel it gets opened with totem and then x-server restarts, giving me a backtrace. Question is: To which package i should refer when i report a bug? xserver? totem?
06:32<zhxk>thank you all for concern
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06:34<eeeuser>ramoonas: you may need to get a bit more information than this. It is unclear what the cause could be, some more debug information is needed
06:35<RichiH>i keep on forgetting that.. what is the name of that image viewer which does not need X and which of the elinks, links2 etc is the browser which can display images on cli?
06:35<eeeuser>Check your X logs, dmesg output, try manually downloading the link, then running it in totem. In order to fix bugs, you need to think of ways of isolating the problem. If others can't reproduce it, then it can't be diagnosed and fixed
06:35<ramoonas>yes i thought so, but all i have is a backtrace in xorg.log, i am not sure how do i get more info
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06:36<ramoonas>ok ill try to get more info. If i will disconnect, then it means i X crashed again
06:36<eeeuser>ramoonas: if you DL the link manually and run totem do you have the problem? does this happen with all links, or only some? Can you reconfigure totem to use a different rendering system etc.
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06:37<eeeuser>looks like X crashed.
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06:37<ootput>RichiH: zgv?
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06:40<RichiH>ootput: that's not the one but it seems to be able to do what i want. thanks :)
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06:44<ootput>RichiH: fbv is another.. though i prefer zgv
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06:44<ootput>RichiH: depends on your framebuffer (or lack thereof)
06:45<ramoonas>eeeuser: it seems that it is a totem issue. X crashes everytime i run totem. Do you know how can catch debug information?
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06:45<eeeuser>unfortunately an X crash will take out totem... You can probably log the output of totem to a file, then see where the file ends
06:46<RichiH>ootput: i'll just try both. thanks :)
06:46<ramoonas>i tried "totem -- debug > debug.txt"
06:46<ramoonas>file is just empty
06:46*eeeuser installs totem
06:47<ramoonas>it seems that this bugs works only on my ati card (i have dual monitor setup). Intel card and totem works fine
06:47<cahoot>ramoonas: only bona fide xorg drivers? no proprietary like nvidia?
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06:48<ramoonas>i am sorry i dont follow. What is bona fide?
06:48<cahoot>ramoonas: no proprietary driver for the ati?
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06:49<ramoonas>it is standard xserver driver
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06:49<eeeuser>ramoonas: try running totem with --sync to force synchronous X calls, you might get more debug info
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06:50<ramoonas>ok, give me a sec. (I might crash again though)
06:50<eeeuser>Do you have a second machine ?
06:50<ramoonas>i do, but it does not have ati card
06:50<eeeuser>you can use IRC over that ^_^
06:50<ramoonas>what do you mean?
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06:52<ramoonas>i crashed again. You know it is rather elegant solution to restart xserver. Just run command totem, there you go, login screen :)
06:53<ramoonas>i did not get more debug info though
06:53<ootput>elegantly catastrophic, more like
06:53*eeeuser thinks.
06:54<ramoonas>it is not catastrophic, i just need to remember not to run totem in my second monitor. I am using vlc anyway, just it sometimes opens automatically when i click media link in my browser.
06:55<ramoonas>it might be issue with my card. It is very old pci card with 16 mb
06:55<eeeuser>A crash is a crash. Shouldn't nuke X.
06:55<ramoonas>i suppose
06:55<ramoonas>is there any way to run X in debug mode?
06:56<ootput>ramoonas: do you specify totem in your .xsessions?
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06:57<ramoonas>there is no such file in my home directory
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07:06<qbuut>i got a problem with my apache
07:06<qbuut>is anyone able to help me?
07:06<qbuut>btw. i am sorry for my bad english... I am not a native speaker
07:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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07:09<qbuut>I installed apache2 and then I tried to start and it
07:09<qbuut>but it did not work
07:09<qbuut>ill post the message
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07:11<azeem>qbuut: another web server is already running
07:12<qbuut>may I find out which one?
07:12<qbuut>and how to stop?
07:13<azeem>run "netstat -pl | grep www" as root
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07:13<azeem>that should tell you the PID and program name of the application listening on port 80
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07:15<shadouts>Ah this is driving me nuts, I can't find anything coming up on google. What's the terminal input to bring up an interface to switch GTK themes? or is there one?
07:15<Roberth>anyone has the line for source packages for sid?
07:15<dpkg>methinks deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC> <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed.
07:15<cahoot>aptitude search theme-switcher? shadouts
07:16<qbuut> tells me this
07:16<qbuut>I am sorry i just changed from Windows to Debian a week ago
07:16<azeem>qbuut: what does "ps aux | grep 7304" say?
07:16<shadouts>cahoot: well is there anything already built in that I could just access from a terminal or is it a separate program?
07:17<cahoot>sorry aptitude search gtk-theme-switch
07:17<ootput>shadouts: nothing will be built in as you haven't really specified your DE (if any)
07:17<ootput>shadouts: gtk-chtheme is also a good alternative
07:18<shadouts>well I just noticed that some GTK engines came installed with debian, I'd find it strange that they wouldnt install something to switch between them
07:18<azeem>somebody installed this for you
07:18<azeem>qbuut: is this a hosted server or something?
07:19<azeem>qbuut: I suggest you ask your hoster/provider for support, this is not installed according to Debian spec
07:19<azeem>also, see whether a web server is not just already running and working as intended
07:19<azeem>I gotta go now, laters
07:19<qbuut>i installed it on my pc at home
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07:20<eeeuser>qbuut: something is wrong, there is nothing in /opt for debian normally
07:21<eeeuser>did you manually compile and install software, or install a third party deb?
07:21<qbuut>i installed the First DVD from
07:21<qbuut>oh sry
07:22<qbuut>I installed LAMPP, but deinstalled it with the doc given, because it did not work
07:22<eeeuser>Well it isn't uninstalled ^_^
07:22<qbuut>the folder /opt is emty ???
07:22<eeeuser>and unless you know what you are doing, i advise sticking to packages available through the debian repositories.
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07:22<eeeuser>qbuut, the program is still in memory
07:23<qbuut>reboot the pc? would this help?
07:23<eeeuser>no need, just kill the app
07:23<eeeuser>sudo kill 7304
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07:24<qbuut>root 28679 0.0 0.0 3140 776 pts/2 S+ 13:24 0:00 grep 7304
07:24<qbuut>now the psaux looks like this
07:24<eeeuser>then it is gone.
07:24<eeeuser>try restarting your apache webserver
07:24<eeeuser>gone == not running any more.
07:25<qbuut>Starting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
07:26<eeeuser>thats OK, you probably don't have a fully qualified domain name for your home connection
07:26<eeeuser>or at least your internal network.
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07:26<qbuut>alright but if i try to browse to localhost it does not work
07:26<eeeuser>does ps augxw show httpd?
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07:29<qbuut>no it does not
07:29<qbuut>it shoes 4 times apache2 -k start but not httpd
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07:30<eeeuser>sorry, thats right
07:30<eeeuser>it should say "it works!" if you navigate to localhost
07:31<qbuut>it does not: there is a german message. I guess in english it would be like network-timeout
07:31<Oyashiro>while using nmap -A a got msg like this what does it means ?
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07:32<qbuut>ich kenne mich mit WIndowspcs ganz gut aus :-) aber Linux habe ich erst seit einer Woche>.< ich wollte das jetzt mal ändern und stehe jeden Tag vor einem neuen Problem...
07:33<eeeuser>was sagt "netstat -nl | grep tcp"
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07:33<qbuut>was komisches sekunde
07:34<eeeuser>Odd. The listen socket is open/
07:34<qbuut>er horcht bei nur port 631 und 25
07:35<qbuut>und port 80 wenn ich das richtig intepretiere nur IPv6
07:35<Roberth>hello I am trying to rebuild a package, but I encounter this: /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 176: debian/rules: No such file or directory what am I doing wrong?
07:35<eeeuser>Das sollst ok sein.
07:36<eeeuser>was sagt "curl localhost"?
07:36<mjt>Roberth: you have to install the required tools for rebuilding, in particular fakeroot package.
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07:36<mjt>Roberth: generally, apt-get build-depends $package will do that for you.
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07:36<qbuut>unbekannter befehl
07:37<avu>please take your German to
07:37<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
07:37<qbuut>hast du ICQ oder MSN?
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07:37<eeeuser>Are you running a firewall?
07:38<Roberth>mjt: I have allready done that?
07:38<qbuut>i dont know about it. I have not installed one
07:38<qbuut>maybe debian installed one on its own
07:38<mjt>eeeuser: no firewall will change listening sockets
07:38<eeeuser>It could be dropping his loopback connections.
07:38<eeeuser>How i have no idea
07:39<mjt>eeeuser: it can filter some access, but not change the netstat -l
07:39<eeeuser>the nestat output is fine. Its the connections back to that listen socket that are not working.
07:39<mjt>there's no listener on
07:39<eeeuser>there is
07:40<eeeuser>its on *all* adapters.
07:40<eeeuser>not just lo
07:40<eeeuser>I have the same output here, and it is working
07:40<mjt>it's not, it's ipv6 equivanent of it
07:40<eeeuser>you can do that.
07:40<Roberth>mjt: nevermind I figured it out, but as I have compiled this package with less options, which makes it require less dependencies, how do I remove the certain dependencies?
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07:42<mjt>well, to be fair, i never played with ipv6 stuff. I *think* there should be tcp listening line too, not only tcp6.
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07:42<eeeuser>qbuut: does "curl" give the same output?
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07:42<mjt>at least when I wrote tcp/tcp6 programs i had to open BOTH sockets.
07:43<qbuut>curl: command not found
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07:43<mjt>Roberth: btw, my fakeroot from lenny is only 168 lines, while your one errors out on line 176. So i've no idea what version are your running.
07:44<eeeuser>? how did you run my last command then? install curl "sudo aptitude install curl", then try
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07:45<Roberth>mjt: im running sid, but anyway I found out that I wasnt in the build directory, but now as the package require less dependencies, how do I make the package dont require them
07:45<mjt>i don't understand that question
07:45<mjt>you either make your pkg not require or not
07:45<qbuut>curl works...
07:46<mjt>qbuut: how about some proxy settings in your browser?
07:46<mjt>Roberth: for now your statement looks like -- i did foo, how i do foo now?
07:46<mjt>'how do i do foo now' even
07:46<eeeuser>qbuut: then your web-browser is misconfigured
07:47<Roberth>mjt: well I manage to compile the package okay?
07:47<mjt>i've no idea
07:47<qbuut>proxy is switched off
07:47<eeeuser>well, at any rate, your webserver is running.
07:47<qbuut>still not working tried epiphany and iceweasel...
07:48<Roberth>mjt: but one of the reasons that I compiled it again was because I wanted to pass my own compile time options, but now the packages doesnt require as many dependencies as before, does my new package depend on them?
07:48<eeeuser>Did you modify your /etc/hosts ?
07:48<qbuut>curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
07:48<qbuut> --> curl localhost
07:48<mjt>eeeuser: /etc/hosts is used by both curl and firefox
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07:48<mjt>Roberth: see debian/control file
07:48<eeeuser>i know, but not if he uses a numeric IP
07:49<eeeuser>so "curl" will work, but not "curl localhost"
07:49<mjt>i expect the reverse :)
07:49<eeeuser>well, he said that the first worked :)
07:49<qbuut>it could not connect
07:49<mjt>ie, "curl localhost" works but not "curl"
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07:50<eeeuser>OK. maybe i am confused, qbuut: which works, localhost or
07:50<qbuut>etc/hosts is not there
07:50<qbuut>curl localhost-> could not connect
07:50<qbuut>curl still works, but i guess takes to long
07:51<mjt>hmm ;)
07:51<eeeuser>well maybe when you took out the lamps server, you took out your /etc/hosts file.
07:51<qbuut>i changed something in the hosts file, but I deinstalled and reinstalled several times, now it is gone, I think there are no changes anymore
07:52<qbuut>create a new one with nano?
07:52<Roberth>mjt: what decides if that package has a desktop file or not?
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07:52<mjt>Roberth: it's done in debian/rules
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07:52<Roberth>mjt: where is debian/rules?
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07:52<qbuut>curl is also not working
07:53<mjt>Roberth: at the same place as debian/control
07:53<eeeuser>put this in your hosts file: . Don't copy the last line :(
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07:53<Roberth>mjt: i dont know where that is either
07:54<mjt>Roberth: in the package source directory
07:54<eeeuser>qbuut: And try not to break your install too much again :-)
07:55<mjt>eeeuser: only one first line is sufficient
07:55<mjt>about localhost
07:55<eeeuser>he should still have the other bits if he is running ipv6 services.
07:55<mjt>he's not, really
07:55<Roberth>mjt: you mean the directory I build the package in?
07:55<mjt>Roberth: yes
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07:56<Roberth>mjt: is it in a specific directory? since I cant see it here
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07:56<mjt>what "it"?
07:56<Roberth>mjt: nevermind....
07:56<qbuut>alright and now restart the apache?
07:57<Roberth>i found it
07:57<eeeuser>qbuut: shouldn't need to.
07:57<mjt>/etc/init.d/apache.. restart
07:59<qbuut>localhost is still not workinge... after restart a new error message
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08:01<eeeuser>welll if your webserver is running "nestat -nl | grep tcp | grep 80", then I have no more ideas as to why you can't connect to a seemingly open socket... Some else may be able to help...
08:01<hellth>Hi, I've got this message from my Kmail "Your administrator has disallowed attaching files bigger than 50 MB." so I've try to update /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options and raise a limit to 500M or just to 0. Than I've restared /etc/init.d/exim4 restart and closed my kmail before it. But I've still the same limit. Some idea ? Thx
08:02<qbuut>tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN
08:02<eeeuser>its running.
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08:02<qbuut>danke trotzdem :-)
08:02<qbuut>do you have a website?
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08:03<eeeuser>Its for hosting files and other useful things though, not for general browsing.
08:03<mjt>how about something like `curl ::1' ?
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08:03<qbuut>can you give me the domain?
08:03<locklace>hellth: so, uh... why are you trying to send files of more than 50mb by email again?
08:04<qbuut>just have a look on it :-)
08:04<qbuut>curl ::1 could not resolve host
08:04<hellth>locklace - it's setting only for my desktop. So time after time I want to send huger files :)
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08:04<mjt>i really mean something LIKE that - no idea how to tell curl to use particular ipv6 *address*
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08:07<locklace>hellth: really, if you need to transfer files of that size you should be using something other than smtp
08:07<qbuut>alright I am giving up then
08:07<mjt>qbuut: curl is broken here as shown in that bugreport. But `wget "http://[::1]/"' works
08:07<locklace>hellth: but anyway, the exim config variable that controls the limit is message_size_limit
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08:08<qbuut>wget "http://[::1]/" fehlgeschlagen :-)
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08:08<mjt>i don't understand that
08:08<hellth>locklace, so why it doesn't work ? Or how I can find what Kmail is using as smtp ?
08:08<franklin>mjt: curl seems to try to glob URL by default, so curl -g http://[::1]
08:09<hellth>locklace, I've got only exim4 (none postfix or sendmail or any other mta)
08:09<mjt>franklin: i don't really care ;)
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08:10<mjt>qbuut: i still think it fails because your apache isn't listening on IPv4, only on IPv6 as netstat shown.
08:10<locklace>hellth: you probably didn't update the config correctly
08:11<qbuut>alright how do I change it?
08:11<mjt>qbuut: speaking of gouranga, no idea at all.
08:11<mjt>qbuut: how about verifying first?
08:12<mjt>instead of trying to change random stuff, how about verifying if that change really MAY do something good?
08:12<mjt>if my theory is right it should be able to serve pages over ipv6
08:12<mjt>how to check - see above
08:12<hellth>locklace, it's only one line I've changed. But there should be some bounce_limit_size or something, I haven't found it. Only one value with the message_size_limit.
08:12<mjt>::1 is the IPv6 loopback interface
08:13<mjt>just like is the IPv4 one
08:13<mjt>qbuut: and if gouranga is your hostname, try adding it to /etc/hosts too
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08:16<qbuut>both does not work...
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08:16<qbuut>i give up
08:16<mjt>both who?
08:16<mjt>or what?
08:16<mjt>but ok
08:17<mjt>as you wish
08:17<qbuut>and the other was :
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08:17<qbuut> curl -g http://[::1]
08:17<qbuut>and ::1
08:18<qbuut>ill change back to windows... its to much to do for just develloping websites...
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08:19<azeem>qbuut: well
08:19<qbuut>maybe ill be back in a few weeks :-D
08:19<eeeuser>qbuut: it would be OK, but you seem to have broken your install.
08:19<azeem>qbuut: I was away, what hoster are you using?
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08:19<qbuut>I am not using any hoster
08:19<azeem>qbuut: how did you install?
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08:19<mjt>i can't force curl to do that stuff at all
08:19<qbuut>i am a website developer and installed it on my own pc
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08:19<mjt>but wget works
08:20<azeem>qbuut: ok, so you installed lampp and deinstalled it
08:20<azeem>qbuut: did you try a reboot?
08:20<mjt>azeem: his apache is listening on ipv6 only, it seems
08:20<franklin>mjt: that should be fine.
08:20<mjt>azeem: at least it's how i can interpret his netstat output
08:20<mjt>franklin: what "that" ?
08:20<qbuut>alright I am having a short break
08:20<qbuut>Ill be back in about half an hour
08:21<franklin>mjt: listening to ipv6 only.
08:21<qbuut>or a bit later
08:21<qbuut>i am sorry
08:21<azeem>qbuut: ok
08:21<franklin>Don't hesitate to come back, I am pretty sure we can fix that problem.
08:21<mjt>franklin: when i were writing servers i had to create both V4 and V6 sockets and call listen() on them, or else it didn't work on both, only on one.
08:21<mjt>franklin: but it was quite a few years ago
08:23<qbuut>I am back
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08:23<mjt>now THAT is a "few hours" :)
08:23<mjt>or half a hour, even
08:23<franklin>mjt: I don't know about the implementation of the IP/IPv6 stack... but my apache servers listen to ::80 only.
08:23<qbuut>yes :-d I wanted to to something to eat :-d
08:23<qbuut>or at least eating something :-D
08:24<mjt>franklin: aha, wonderful
08:24<qbuut>but i changed my mind
08:24<mjt>so i'm shuttin up now
08:24<azeem>qbuut: what is the content of your /etc/hosts?
08:24<azeem>did you pastebin that already?
08:24<mjt>there was no /etc/hosts
08:25<qbuut>tried it it did not work
08:25<mjt>initially anyway
08:25<azeem>shouldn't there be one after install?
08:25<qbuut>no there is gouranga
08:25<franklin>qbuut: I am not sure I understood your problem. "wget http://localhost" works, "curl" works too, but "curl http://localhost" doesn't work, right?
08:25<azeem>djc: please /msg the bot
08:26<mjt>qbuut: i said *add* your gouranga to /etc/hosts, not REPLACE localhost in there :)
08:26<qbuut>curl does not work at all
08:26<eeeuser>azeem: Re: qbuut: I think he nuked his /etc/hosts at some point, probably when he uninstalled the third party package
08:26<azeem>right, that's where I'm getting it
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08:26<mjt>qbuut: and please, each time you say "does not work", define that. I.e, say what error message it displays and the like,.
08:26<azeem>qbuut: it seems all your problems are due to installing this LAMPP thingyy
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08:27<qbuut>everytime could not connect
08:27<franklin>qbuut: can you "ping localhost" ?
08:28<mjt>because there's no `localhost' line in /etc/hosts
08:28<qbuut>it takes to long
08:28<azeem>fix your /etc/hosts first
08:28<mjt>next it'd be good to fix dns too
08:29<franklin>mjt: yep.
08:29<azeem>qbuut: I suggest something like
08:29<qbuut>alright now I am leaving the microwave says the food is ready...
08:30<mjt>azeem: that's what eeeuser suggested him too
08:30<mjt>azeem: next i suggested him to ADD `
08:30<mjt>azeem: next i suggested him to ADD `gouranga' into there too - which is his hostname (apache complains it can't find it)
08:30<mjt>but he changed localhost to gouranga, it seems.
08:30<azeem>and the ipv6 stuff is missing
08:31<mjt>ipv6 isn't really necessary, is it?
08:31<azeem>qbuut: do you have a /etc/resolv.conf?
08:31<azeem>I'm no ipv6 guy
08:31<mjt>i mean, as long as one do not USE ipv6, it's irrelevant if it's present in /etc/hosts or not
08:32<mjt>but with that contents of /etc/hosts, we've an... interesting complication really
08:32<djc>dns doesnt answer for 'localhost'
08:32<djc>nor should it
08:32<mjt>note that `localhost' gets resolved to TWO addresses now
08:32<mjt>ipv4 and ipv6 ones
08:32<franklin>mjt: Because apache listen to ipv6, it's probably wise to have ::1 in /etc/hosts
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08:32<mjt>so all the IPv6-aware utils will now try to connect to one and if fhat fails, to another.
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08:33<mjt>so i think that stuff like `curl localhost' etc will work BECAUSE ::1 localhost is listed in /etc/hosts, NOT because apache is reachable at
08:34<mjt>but you all hit me here and i become curious... lemme build ipv6 into kernel and try... ;)
08:35<franklin>mjt: as far as I understand, localhost *is*, whereas ip6-localhost *is* ::1
08:35<mjt>franklin: all tools will try both
08:35<mjt>aha. good catch
08:36<mjt>franklin: in the example provided by azeem the name `localhost' is ONLY listed for
08:36<mjt>but in the one provided by eeeuser there was TWO localhosts
08:36<franklin>mjt: "ping6 localhost" = "unknown host" (now, don't ask me about apache ;)
08:37<mjt>so yeah, in that case where localhost is listed only once there will be no complications ;)
08:37<mjt>but ok, kernel is ready, installing apache...
08:37<franklin>mjt: "two localhosts"... I am not sure that's how it's designed to work ??
08:37<mjt>any name can resolve to multiple addresses
08:37<mjt>for that there will be several lines in /etc/hosts
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08:38<mjt>ok, kernel is built and installed, test machine rebooted, and apache installed.
08:38<mjt>and wow, it only listens on tcp6
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08:40<mjt>"It works!" it says. ok
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08:43<franklin>My ISP provides ipv6 address... but I should change my router (or root it with debian;)
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08:43<franklin>... so I can serve my website as ipv6
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08:45<mjt>IPV6_V6ONLY socket option it is.
08:45<mjt>or /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only
08:46<mjt>if it's 0 (default), wildcard (all-zeros), IPv6 listening socket will accept IPv4 connections too.
08:46*mjt learned something new today... ;)
08:46*franklin too
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08:53<isengaurd>anyone up for an mta puzzle?
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08:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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08:58<franklin>qbuut: You dshouldn't care about this error message: "Starting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name,"
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08:59<franklin>qbuut: The error "Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address" occurs if you try to run apache "manually" (from the command line with a non-root user, because it can't open port <1024)
09:00<qbuut>resolve.conf is there
09:00<qbuut>nameserver is the FritzBox(Router)
09:00<qbuut>so was asking
09:00<qbuut>i am still reading
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09:01<franklin>qbuut: can you ping it? can you ping ?
09:01<mjt>franklin: address already in use is nothing to do with non-root ;)
09:01<franklin>mjt: right.
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09:02<franklin>qbuut: So it seems your started apache manually => bad ;=)
09:02<mjt>qbuut: what do you mean "is the FritzBox" ?
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09:02<franklin>qbuut: you should "killall apache2", then "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart"
09:03<mjt>qbuut: in the `nameserver' line in /etc/resolv.conf there should be an IP address. Like "nameserver"
09:03<mjt>but i guess it works using dhcp
09:04<qbuut>ping goolge works
09:05<mjt>so resolv.conf, DNS woerks.
09:05<qbuut>ping localhost/gouranga does not work
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09:05<mjt>so /etc/hosts is um, not right :)
09:05<qbuut>Fritz box is my router
09:05<mjt>i udnerstand
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09:06<qbuut>it is a german product which nearly every ISP is using
09:06<mjt>i know what fritzbox is
09:06<mjt>it is running linux too, btw
09:06<mjt>but arm variant of it
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09:07<qbuut>killall apache2 does not work
09:08<mjt>qbuut: your apache should be all fine
09:08<ootput>qbuut: is apache2 the name of the process?
09:08<qbuut>but my hosts
09:08<mjt>my earlier observations about IPv6/IPv4 turned out to be incorrect
09:09<qbuut>I am wondering because I cannot see etc/hosts in the Filebrowser(proper name?)
09:09<qbuut>but I can acess it through nano
09:10<franklin>qbuut: Could you install azeem's ?
09:10<mjt>it's /etc/hosts not etc/hosts
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09:10<mjt>(it's the same if you stay in / )
09:10<qbuut>ill try
09:10<zhxk>greeting, any idea to read the current resolution and color depth?
09:10<qbuut>oh wrong window :-D
09:11<ootput>zhxk: are you still cross-posting?
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09:11<mjt>qbuut: btw, what's the permissions of that file?
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09:11<mjt>qbuut: ls -l /etc/hosts ?
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09:12<qbuut>I did a stupid thing :-d I know :-D I changed it to 777
09:12<qbuut>-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 3. Mai 14:15 /etc/hosts
09:12<mjt>chmod 0644 /etc/hosts
09:13<mjt>that's the proper permissions of it
09:13<mjt>but your current permissions will let you to edit that file from X :)
09:13<franklin>zhxk: xdpyinfo, or xrandr --verbose (there could be better solution though)
09:13<zhxk>ootput:what's cross-posting?
09:14<ootput>zhxk: do you have a problem with your web browser?
09:14<ootput>no offense, but nearly 80% of your queries can be addressed by using the web
09:15<ootput>it's the same with every cross-post you make
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09:16<qbuut>changed to
09:16<qbuut>still not loading
09:17<franklin>qbuut: ok. can you ping localhost now?
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09:18<mjt>damn. that is very wrong for pasting :)
09:18<mjt>when one copies stuff from there, the line numbers gets copied too
09:18<qbuut>I typed it on my own :-)
09:18<qbuut>because I noticed that :-D
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09:18<zhxk>franklin:thank you
09:18<qbuut>ping does not answer
09:18<qbuut>still sending the first package
09:19<mjt>can you paste the whole thing?
09:19<azeem>qbuut: what is the content of /etc/resolv.conf
09:19<zhxk>franklin:there are no items in "screen resolution" app
09:19<qbuut>gouranga:/# ping localhost
09:19<qbuut>PING gouranga ( 56(84) bytes of data.
09:19<zhxk>franklin:there are no items in "screen resolution" app,i don't know how?
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09:19<mjt>azeem: resolv.conf is here, and should be ok (managed by dhcp)
09:20<franklin>qbuut: try "ping -n" to see if it's due to network resolution problem.
09:20<qbuut>modified by network manager
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09:20<qbuut>aso... comments
09:20<qbuut>nameserver and the IP of my router
09:21<franklin>BTW, pastbin has a "show as text", to avoid line numbers.
09:21<mjt>qbuut: ping -n
09:21<mjt>also sitting here doing nothing?
09:21<mjt>and when you hit Ctrl+C?
09:22<qbuut>I am not getting it
09:22<mjt>you run ping, it says it PING gouranga and does "nothing". Now you press Ctrl+C, -- ping should display statistics.
09:22<mjt>so-many packets sent, so-many received.
09:22<qbuut>99 transmitted
09:23<qbuut>0 received
09:23<qbuut>100% lost^^
09:23<mjt>so it's firewall.
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09:23<franklin>qbuut: does "ifconfig lo" prints something like "inet addr:"
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09:23<ml|>mjt: in debain pastebin just click show as text or without linenumbers no more numbers :)
09:23<mjt>ml|: already pointed out by franklin ;)
09:23<qbuut>no nothing of 127
09:23<ml|>didn't see it
09:23<mjt>it's just sorta unexpected
09:24<qbuut>is there a standart firewall?
09:24<McQuen>how i can change to the german suport chanel ?
09:24<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
09:24<mjt>McQuen: /join
09:24<qbuut>dein Programm sollte eine Funktion haben
09:24<qbuut>alright :-D
09:24<qbuut>thats the point^^
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09:25<mjt>qbuut: ok, now that's even more interesting. Please paste your `ip addr' output. Or, if there's no `ip' utility, `ifconfig'
09:25<qbuut><ml|> mjt: in debain pastebin just click show as text or without linenumbers no more numbers :)
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09:25<mjt>(it's /sbin/ifconfig )
09:25<qbuut>oh sry
09:26<qbuut>lo Link encap:Lokale Schleife
09:26<qbuut> LOOPBACK MTU:16436 Metrik:1
09:26<qbuut> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
09:26<qbuut> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
09:26<qbuut> Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:0
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09:26<mjt>so his loopback is not configured.
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09:26<mjt>i wonder how it happened
09:27<mjt>and what else is broken on his system
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09:27<qbuut>am I back?
09:27<azeem>qbuut: yes
09:27<mjt>qbuut: by "paste" i mean pastebin ;)
09:27<ootput>qbuut: nope
09:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
09:27<azeem>qbuut: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
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09:27<ootput>qbuut: thrice-bitten :)
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09:27<azeem>qbuut: pasting 1-2 lines in here is fine, but for more please use a pastebin
09:28<franklin>mjt: Do you think qbuut had a /etc/hosts file??? if not, I wouldn't be surprised that /etc/network/interfaces is missing.
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09:28<qbuut>I read it :-D I just did not realise, that there is an autokickmode :-D I thought it would only be a rule :-d
09:28<mjt>franklin: the latter is hidden a bit more "deeply" than the former
09:28<mjt>well,, don't break rules ;)
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09:29<azeem>15:26 < azeem> qbuut: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
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09:29<mjt>franklin: /etc/hosts is referenced in every unix-related piece information, while etc/network/interfaces is debian-specific. hence the difference ;)
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09:30<qbuut>ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
09:30<mjt>azeem: why libc version is relevant?
09:30<mjt>it's lenny
09:30<azeem>just making sure
09:30<mjt>but it works the same since veru long time, and will continue working
09:30<franklin>qbuut: can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces ?
09:30<azeem>did you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces already?
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09:31<mjt>^W^W^Wheh it was, really :)
09:31<qbuut>no rights...
09:31<qbuut>which chmod would be fine?
09:32<azeem>qbuut: eh
09:32<mjt>but that's quite a.. hosed system, it seems.
09:32<azeem>probably a reinstall two hours ago would have been easier
09:32<franklin>qbuut: can you first ls -al /etc/network/interfaces ??
09:32<azeem>qbuut: but now you learnt a lot!!
09:32<mjt>franklin: why -a, btw? :)
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09:33<franklin>mjt: why wouldn't have the right to open the file ? default perm must be 644 already, right?
09:33<mjt>ditto for /etc/hosts but he had it 777'ed
09:34<franklin>looks like "chmod 700 /etc -R" !!
09:34<mjt>but i'm afraid he set 0644 for /etc/*
09:34<mjt>or somesuch
09:34<mjt>because i suggested him to chmod 0644 /etc/hosts
09:34<ml|>this will be good for learning permissions ;)
09:35<mjt>or /etc, not /etc/*
09:35<mjt>but we're going away and away from the original problem ;)
09:35<ml|>which was?
09:35<mjt>non-working lamp
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09:35<franklin>I am not so sure we are gaoing away from it.
09:36<mjt>he tried to install apache &Co but wasn't able to connect to it.
09:37<franklin>qbuut: can you pastebin "ls -ld /etc /etc/nsswitch.conf" (they should be "drwxr-xr-x" and "-rw-r--r--" )
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09:38<mjt>no, literally pls
09:38<mjt>for both
09:38<qbuut>gouranga:/# ls -al /etc/network/interfaces
09:38<qbuut>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 123 25. Apr 21:45 /etc/network/interfaces
09:38<mjt>ok good
09:39<mjt>and for what franklin asked?
09:39<qbuut>drwxr-xr-x 113 root root 6144 3. Mai 14:28 /etc
09:39<qbuut>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 513 25. Apr 22:14 /etc/nsswitch.conf
09:39<mjt>yay. all right
09:39<mjt>so my scariest dream was not true ;)
09:39<eeeuser>qbuut: reinstall debian, and don't destroy your system.
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09:39<qbuut>I will not reinstall debian for sure
09:40<teelledro>всем привет
09:40<qbuut>I was sitting 2 days at getting my wirless lan working :-D
09:40<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
09:40<qbuut>Again half a Day NTFS working >.<
09:40<qbuut>the problem is I dont have a clue what was working out in the end >.<
09:40<eeeuser>? NTFS read works out of the box.
09:40<qbuut>i Just kept trying
09:40<qbuut>no it does not :-)
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09:41<dr|z3d>eeeuser: aptitude install ntfs-config
09:41<qbuut>i tried doin it with google
09:41<franklin>qbuut: The network ip of loopback isn't set properly. you can run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" to restart the network...
09:42<dr|z3d>or qbuut, rather.
09:42<christoph>anyone here an idea why trac on lennys mod_wsgi complains about the need to upgrade my env while trac-admin and wsgiref think it's up-to-date?
09:42<dr|z3d>eeeuser, even. *facepalms*
09:42<christoph>wsgirefserver -> mod_wsgi ->
09:42<mjt>hmm but why he had no permissions to see /etc/network/interfaces ?
09:42<franklin>qbuut: if it still has no ip address (ipconfig lo) then pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
09:43<qbuut>as a command?
09:43<qbuut>in the terminal?
09:43<mjt>/sbin/ifconfig lo
09:43<mjt>lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr: Mask:
09:43<mjt>$ /sbin/ifconfig lo
09:43<mjt> Link encap:Local Loopback
09:43<mjt> inet addr: Mask:
09:43<mjt>thats's how it should look like
09:44<mjt> UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
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09:44<mjt>that's important too
09:44<qbuut>it does not
09:44<mjt>so let's see what's in /etc/network/interfaces
09:44<qbuut>lo Link encap:Lokale Schleife
09:44<qbuut>LOOPBACK MTU:16436 Metrik:1
09:44<mjt>ok as before
09:45<mjt>did you edit that file?
09:45<mjt>i guess yes, when dealing with wifi...
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09:45<qbuut>not maually
09:46<mjt>so let's pastebin it, finally.
09:46<mjt>17:44 < mjt> so let's see what's in /etc/network/interfaces
09:46<mjt>17:42 < franklin> qbuut: if it still has no ip address (ipconfig lo) then pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
09:46<qbuut>did i not post it before?
09:47<qbuut>i did not
09:47<mjt>you had no perms for whatever reason.
09:47<mjt>if you still don't have perms... there will be one more step.
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09:48<SQlvpapir>is make defconfig machine-specific? i.e. can I compile with that config on one machine and then move it to another or is there some level of hw-detection implied?
09:48<azeem>qbuut: please pastebin it already
09:48<mjt>SQlvpapir: defconfig - New config with default answer to all options
09:48<qbuut>i opened it and it shows no content
09:48<azeem>qbuut: great
09:48<qbuut>only comments
09:49<azeem>then pastebin those
09:49<mjt>SQlvpapir: that
09:49<mjt>SQlvpapir: that's from `make help' in top-level source dir
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09:49<SQlvpapir>mjt: yeah but "generic" default or default for the machine issuing the command?
09:49<qbuut># Used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8). See the interfaces(5) manpage or
09:49<qbuut># /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples for more information.
09:49<SQlvpapir>mjt: been there but its very superficial
09:50<mjt>SQlvpapir: what I can only say is that it is not what you want, with very high probability ;)
09:50<qbuut>sry I am not a native speaker. What am I supposed to do?
09:51<azeem>qbuut: add this: debian
09:51<azeem>qbuut: add this:
09:51<mjt>qbuut: can you paste ALL ifconfig output, not only `lo' ?
09:51<mjt>i don't see how his network is working
09:51<mjt>wifi gets configured somewhere else?
09:51<SQlvpapir>mjt: I am just gonna assume its the same for every machine then.
09:52<mjt>SQlvpapir: yes
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09:52<azeem>mjt: qbuut mentioned network-manager IIRC
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09:52<franklin>mjt: network-manager configured eth0 / wlan0 dynamically/automatically.
09:52<dpkg>IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"
09:52<qbuut>ah yes
09:53<mjt>SQlvpapir: driver-wise it's just some "random" selection. Like, so it works in Linus's machine. The rest isn't that interesting.
09:53<azeem>qbuut: did you edit the file appropriately?
09:53<azeem>then run "ifup lo" I guess
09:53<azeem>as root
09:53<mjt>SQlvpapir: kernel config does not look at actual hw configureation
09:53<mjt>SQlvpapir: what it can do is to pick values from your old/current running kernel
09:54<mjt>franklin: ok. I never used network-manager.
09:55<mjt>franklin, azeem: btw, this `lo' thing isn't *really* relevant for this case. He can reach his apache using other IP addresses on this machine.
09:55<franklin>mjt: it's a very nice tool for laptop/desktop ("automatic" isn't something you want for servers ;)
09:55<mjt>i detest all that "automatic" stuff
09:55<mjt>but ok
09:55<mjt>aha. so eth0 also lacks an IP, but that's - i guess - because it's just not connected.
09:55<franklin>mjt: If you don't have lo, your system can't work proplery.
09:56<mjt>franklin: false.
09:56<mjt>but ok anyway :)
09:56<franklin>qbuut: you can run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" to restart the network.. to be on the safe side
09:56<mjt>qbuut: so, did you bring your loopback (lo) address?
09:56<SQlvpapir>mjt: problem is my old kernel is 2.6.9-something so make oldconfig is not that interesting. Im just gonna go check out a diff then
09:57<mjt>SQlvpapir: but you can give debian config
09:57<mjt>s/give/take ;(
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09:57<mjt>franklin: in order to bring up one interface it's sufficient to run `ifup $iface'
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09:57<mjt>franklin: in this case `ifup lo'
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09:57<SQlvpapir>mjt: I guess it would have to come to that :-p
09:58<mjt>qbuut: and after all, you can type in your browser right now to reach your apache... ;)
09:58<SQlvpapir>mjt: you wouldent have to know a db for generic .config files for different motherboards or sth like that?
09:58<mjt>there's no such thing
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09:59<SQlvpapir>aha.. I'll stick to the debian hcl then
09:59<x_v2-10_x> hello ! I'm french !
09:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
09:59<x_v2-10_x>do you speak french?
09:59<mjt>SQlvpapir: every single mobo can be equipped with additional pci/usb/whatever cards
09:59<azeem>x_v2-10_x: this is an english channel
09:59<azeem>see above for a french channel
10:00<mjt>what a nice nickname...
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10:00<SQlvpapir>mjt: yeah I know but a list of things to make sure to check would be nice. the debian hcl/lspci is not really useful for this
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10:02<qbuut>no it does not work
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10:02<qbuut> is not answering
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10:03<qbuut>can you explain that shortage for me as well? pls
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10:03<mjt>but it can't be. unless you restarted the network
10:03<mjt>qbuut: it's not a sortage ;) It's just like, "uhhhhh" :)
10:03<qbuut>but it is
10:04<mjt>i mean, it's not a word ;)
10:04<qbuut>ah alright :-D I used to live in England for half a year :-) and I really do like the english language although I know it is not that good. Therefore I am interested in increasing my vocabulary :-)
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10:04<qbuut>and I meant no I did not restart
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10:05<qbuut>My English is not that good :-D it was not meant to say something like this about the language
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10:05<mjt>qbuut: the thing is: according to the ifconfig output you pasted, your host has addres That one SHOULD answer.
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10:06<qbuut>if I compare it to windows, is this the Ipadress given by the router
10:06<qbuut>it is for my computer
10:06<franklin>qbuut: earlier, when you tried "killall apache2", you said it "didn't work". I assume it's stopped now... so
10:06<qbuut>I start it
10:06<franklin>/etc/init.d/apache2 restart
10:07<mjt>well, i'd fix one issue first ;)
10:07<mjt>maybe it was premature a bit to go back to the browser
10:07<mjt>we have to fix lo first
10:07<qbuut>httpd (pid 24855 already running
10:08<franklin>httpd ??
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10:08<mjt>heck. this is getting too long.
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10:09<qbuut>is there a forum where I can meet you all? than we can make a list what we tried already...
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10:09<azeem>what is the current problem anyway?
10:09<mjt>so does your loopback (lo) work at the end?
10:10<qbuut>no "it works" at localhost
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10:10<qbuut>ho do I check?
10:10<azeem>so it works
10:10<mjt>azeem: i suggested him to go to the host's ip address in browser, but " is not answering"
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10:10<mjt>(whatever it means ;)
10:10<franklin>qbuut: oh your pastebin is fine.
10:11<qbuut>Apache is not showing the "It works" if I go to localhost. This is the main problem. Now to the "sub"problems. How do I check loopback?
10:11<mjt>ping works?
10:12<mjt>ping localhost works?
10:12<azeem>I misreadthen
10:12<mjt>ping works?
10:12<mjt>next thing: telnet 80
10:12<qbuut>maybe I should just reinstall Debian next weekend
10:12<qbuut>Ping 127-0.0.1 and localhost dont work
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10:13<azeem>qbuut: pastebin "ifconfig lo"
10:13<mjt>is your lo interface running?
10:13<mjt>qbuut: did you add what azeem said to your /etc/network/interfaces?
10:13<qbuut>the other two pings dont work either
10:13<mjt>qbuut: did you `ifup lo' after that?
10:14<qbuut>wait a second :-D need some time doing the tasks
10:14<mjt>qbuut: if first ping does not work there's no reason to try otheres, we have to fix it first
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10:14<azeem>qbuut: just do them one after the other and don't forget about them
10:15<mjt>qbuut: the sequence is 1) fix /etc/network/interfaces to include 2 lines related to `lo' as azeem suggested. 2) ifup lo 3) ping 3) the rest.
10:15<qbuut>ifconfig lo --> same like before not working
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10:15<qbuut>but same thing like before
10:15<azeem>qbuut: working or not working?
10:15<azeem>please be a bit more clear in what you type
10:15<mjt>not working
10:15<mjt>not running
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10:16<azeem>qbuut: so pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
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10:16<qbuut>I wrote something into interfaces, but it is now gone... I dont have a clue why... if nano opens there is nothing in it...
10:16<qbuut>ifup lo habe ich ausgeführt
10:16<qbuut>nix passiert
10:16<azeem>qbuut: so fix that
10:16<mjt>ls -ld /etc/network
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10:17<franklin>qbuut: I guess you edited it as root?? weird.
10:17<qbuut>changed to german
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10:17<qbuut> ifup lo nothing happened..
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10:17<azeem>qbuut: look
10:18<azeem>qbuut: it can't work, because your etc/network/interfaces is broken
10:18<azeem>*once* you fixed, you can go on with the next thing in your queue of things to do
10:18<qbuut>yes I changed it as root... I know I should not do it for security reasons...
10:18<franklin>qbuut: fine for now.
10:18<azeem>qbuut: it's /required/ to change system things as root
10:19<azeem>you just shouldn't be logged in as root for normal operation all the time
10:19<qbuut>I think I give up... I am loosing the overview...
10:19<qbuut>Yeah I am logged in as a normal user
10:19<azeem>qbuut: it's easy
10:19<azeem>qbuut: fix /etc/network/interfaces
10:19<franklin>azeem: I assume he means that some distro advertise sudo for desktop.
10:19<qbuut>but the terminal is started as root, because I dont want do do sudo all the time
10:19<azeem>that's ifne
10:20<qbuut>wich should I copy into my interfaces?
10:20<azeem>same thing as last time
10:21<azeem>15:50 < azeem> qbuut: add this:
10:21<mjt>everyone says it's easy but it already lasted for hours and the issue is still EXACTLY the same ;)
10:21<franklin>qbuut: I think that all your problem comes from network configuration. once it's ok, everything will be ok.
10:22<mjt>franklin: note we tried too
10:22*franklin don't agree. we know the exact problem: lo isn't configured, so isn't pinging, and apache is likely to be mad too
10:22<qbuut>It is exactly what is in the interfaces if I open it wit gedit
10:22<azeem>qbuut: hrm?
10:22<qbuut>I opened the interfaces with nano -> no content
10:23<qbuut>gedit--> everything is fine
10:23<azeem>well, that can't be
10:23<mjt>you're opening different files.
10:23<azeem>or a non-existing file with nano
10:23<mjt>will nano complain if a parent directory is unaccessible?
10:23<mjt>oh, it's running as root.
10:24<qbuut>yes, but now there is the right thing in it... :-D
10:24<azeem>qbuut: 16:16 < mjt> ls -ld /etc/network
10:24<azeem>what does that say?
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10:24<qbuut>drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 1024 25. Apr 21:45 /etc/network
10:24<azeem>qbuut: now "ifup lo"
10:25<mjt>that should produce nothing
10:25<azeem>at this point, we assume your interfaces file is fine
10:25<qbuut>interface lo already configured
10:25<franklin>azeem: why? since he can't view it with nano?
10:25<azeem>qbuut: "pastebin /sbin/ifconfig lo"
10:26<qbuut>pastebin as a command?
10:26<franklin>just ifdown lo
10:26<franklin>then ifup lo
10:26<azeem>franklin: huh?
10:26<azeem>well, ok
10:26<azeem>qbuut: do that
10:26<qbuut>ah right
10:26<azeem>qbuut: then pastebin your ifconfig
10:26<qbuut>it works now :-D
10:26<qbuut>Link encap:Lokale Schleife
10:26<azeem>"it works" == apache?
10:26<qbuut> inet Adresse: Maske:
10:26<azeem>ping works?
10:27<qbuut>time to go to the browser?
10:27<qbuut>thanks a lot :-)
10:27<qbuut>it works
10:28<qbuut>i could kiss you all :-D no i am not gay^^
10:28<azeem>ok, good
10:28<azeem>what about your other IP?
10:28<azeem>from the wlan or ethernet
10:28<franklin>qbuut: Hope you will have fun wit lamp now.
10:28<qbuut>it wors as well
10:29<qbuut>it works as well :-)
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10:29<qbuut>I will definately do have :-D
10:29<qbuut>ill copy our conversation, in case I reinstall once :-D
10:30*mjt looks around...
10:30<franklin>qbuut: something really wrong happend to your network configuration. I wonder how it happend... It shouldn't happens twice though ;)
10:31<mjt>well, that other IP should work too, and it should worked before.
10:31<mjt>damn. what's that in english?
10:31<mjt>should have worked before?
10:31<qbuut>i think so :-D
10:31<qbuut>but I am a German
10:31*mjt isn't a native english speaker
10:32<qbuut>in the end there was this loopback?
10:32<mjt>and some english tenses just pisses me off :)
10:32<qbuut>oh i dont want to know :-D
10:32<qbuut>it works
10:32<qbuut>thanks again
10:32<mjt>loopback is a special network interface that should present on every networked machine
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10:33<mjt>it has special ip address, too --
10:33<mjt>so each time you refer to that address, it means "this machine"
10:34<qbuut>how do I stop a ping?
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10:34<mjt>so in browser it means, "go to the site running on this machine", something like that
10:34<mjt>Ctrl+C works for almost any program that works in terminal
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10:35<qbuut>If I get into trouble once again :-D I know where to reach people who know what they are doing :-)
10:35<mjt>there are many places with such people out there, really :)
10:36<jpablo>Hi there...Anybody knows abot a machine virtual in command-line?
10:36<mjt>jpablo: can you express your question in some different way?
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10:37<jpablo>mmm I have Virtual Box for the my virtual OS
10:38<jpablo>But I was reading about a way see virtual OS in command-line
10:38<jpablo>But I dont remember the name
10:38<qbuut>Sorry for crossposting, but how do I get Apache starting every boot?
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10:39<mjt>qbuut: almost everything you install on debian will start every boot by default
10:39<mjt>every service anyway
10:39<dr|z3d>qbuut: aptitude install bum
10:39<dr|z3d>qbuut: That will allow you to manage existing services from a tidy gui. (Bootup Manager).
10:39<mjt>oh well. i guess it's too much for the start
10:39<mjt>apache by default is configured to start automatically
10:40<franklin>qbuut: you don't need that usually. 6:39 < mjt> qbuut: almost everything you install on debian will start every boot by default
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10:40<dr|z3d>bum is useful to "vet" your services and weed out those you don't need. Useful tool.
10:41<mjt>if you don't need something just don't install it
10:41<franklin>dr|z3d: didn't know about that tool. Is it much nicer than Gnome's service applet ?
10:41<mjt>(not that i disagree that bum is a useful tool)
10:42<dr|z3d>Some things you don't know you need _until_ you install them. Ymmv :)
10:42<dr|z3d>franklin: Yeah, it's a bit more useful.
10:43<mjt>dr|z3d: sure, but there's, again, no disagreement with what i said. NOt useful => remove it, instead of removing its startup.
10:43<franklin>dr|z3d: there is no snapshot on ... can you upload one?
10:43<mjt>qbuut: so, finally, does your browser/apache works?
10:44<qbuut>cannot find bum on my pc :-D but the browser works fine :-)
10:44<mjt>now, for testing/development, you can either chown /var/www or create a subdir in there
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10:44<qbuut>I do not dare to ask :-D but is PHP working as well now?
10:44<mjt>(it's the directory where you website is)
10:45<qbuut>and MYSQL?
10:45<mjt>if you installed it
10:45<qbuut>i guess not
10:45<mjt>mysql - sure not, you have to configure it first
10:45<qbuut>i try it
10:45<qbuut>with phpinfo
10:45<mjt>like, create some databsses etc
10:45<zhxk>so good linux/unix it is!
10:45*mjt sighs
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10:45<mjt>it is good if not counting hours and days debugging trivial problems...
10:46<djc>anyone have any suggestions for getting tv-out to work on an HP-pavilion with a "Trident Cyberblade/XP"
10:46<franklin>qbuut: may help
10:46<mjt>djc: are you sure that trident actually can do tvout?
10:46<djc>ive tried a few resulsts from google with no results
10:46<djc>you mean the hardware or the X driver?
10:46<mjt>the hw to start with
10:46<azeem>what is libmysqlclient15-dev in there for?
10:46<djc>the hardware has an ntsc out plug, so it certainly is intended to do so
10:47<qbuut>LAMP: thanks I will do it like this :-D
10:47<qbuut>another time
10:47<djc>and the 'trident' driver man page has some options related to tv out, so I would think so
10:47<qbuut>I spent enough today
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10:48<mjt>djc: no idea. but was worth asking - the thing is that i've seen quite several those cyberblades things and neither of them had tv-out or the like
10:48<mjt>azeem: hmm?
10:49<mjt>well, in case someone will want to develop C programs wiht it? :)
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10:51<mjt>(that one -dev will pull a shitload of other depencencies)
10:52<franklin>azeem: ``drop "libmysqlclient15-dev", since "mysql-client" depend on it.'', thanks
10:52<azeem>oh, you're THAT franklin
10:52<azeem>(I wonder why mysql-client depends on it)
10:53<franklin>azeem: sorry, it actually depends on libmysqlclient15off
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10:53<azeem>franklin: ok, that makes more sense
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10:54<franklin>azeem: and yes I am THAT franklin ;)
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10:56<qbuut>which franklin?
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10:57<franklin>qbuut: The one spending too much time on the wiki ;)
10:57<mjt>or on irc?
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10:58<mjt>. o O { lamppp }
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11:00<mjt>franklin: mysql-client depends on libmysqlclient15, not libmysqlclient15-dev
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11:01<azeem>mjt: 16:52 < franklin> azeem: sorry, it actually depends on libmysqlclient15off
11:02<mjt>but it's a very good catch anyway. that libmysqlclient15-dev thing should not be there on that wiki page.
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11:02<mjt>and it isn't there anymore
11:02<franklin>mjt: I noticed my mistake. I droped it from the wikipage, since it's mysql-client pseudo package is enough
11:02<mjt>btw, there's libmysqlclient16-dev out already ;)
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11:04*franklin is still trecking stable.
11:04<mjt>btw, mysql-server will pull mysql-client too
11:05<franklin>Anybody knows when debian-testing-security will be resumed?
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11:07<franklin>mjt: Some servers may not pull the client as a dependency. So I find it sensible to explicitely install both.
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11:08<wopr>hello :) anyone here had ever used shoutcast DSP?
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11:28<locklace>drive-by greeting
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11:48<geelnostril>good evening
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12:05<wopr>anyone here had ever used a webradio? I need help please
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12:09<fxiny>wopr: xmms2 add http:/http:whatever:80 in the pls file
12:09<fxiny>grab your pls file
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12:11<wopr>fxiny, the problem is at the root: i searched howtos on google, but every man link to that aren't no longer avaible on that site
12:11<wopr>so i don't know fxiny how to proceed
12:12<fxiny>root ? leave root alone
12:12<fxiny>wopr: what's your client ?
12:13<wopr>client? i'm using lenny Debian... anything else
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12:13<wopr>hi pawel
12:13<fxiny>wopr: oops . i got you . i use digimport , get some pls from there , read 'em
12:13<wopr>uhm... i'm going to check it
12:14<fxiny>wopr: no porbs
12:14<pawel>ho wopr
12:15<wopr>fxiny, on google too much result came out... can you please paste a link please?
12:16<fxiny>wopr: a link ? digimport is digital import
12:16<pawel>'$ sed -n '/~BEGIN~/ !d; n; x; :l n; /~END~/ b e; H; b l; :e x; p' <input >output' works fine for me, but how to specify multiline begin mark?
12:17<mjt>sed is line-oriented
12:17<wopr>uhm.. i think i didn't undestand you.. is digimport a program?
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12:19<fxiny>wopr: no , is a website . download yor preferred pls file which is a text file , you can see some url in it, load 'em in your preferred audio app ,i use xmms2 which works like this : xmms2 add htto://that_url
12:19<wopr>and i can use xmms2 to send streaming to the shoutcast server?
12:20<fxiny>to send ?
12:20<pawel>how to replace in file multiline text with one-line text?
12:20<fxiny>last time i did some streaming was in etch . can't recall it . gimme a minute or two
12:21<wopr>yes fxiny: i already have one shoutcast server.. i just need to stream my in-line audio to that server trough internet
12:21<wopr>did i explained well?
12:21<mjt>pawel: you can delete all the unneeded lines BUT one and replace only that one.
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12:21<fxiny>wopr: yes , you explained it ok
12:22<mjt>pawel: but really, sed is usually not the right tool for multiline things. It gets too clumsy.
12:22<wopr>this is the first time i have to do it, and the only howto i found are outdated
12:22<fxiny>wopr: can't find my note . i just remember i used ezstream
12:22<mjt>pawel: you can use perl or awk
12:22<pawel>mjt: I have many many files, I wouldn't replace unneeded lines in a week.
12:23<wopr>hum fxiny, apt found it: ezstream - easy media streaming client over icecast servers
12:23<mjt>pawel: well, at least it's not different with sed or perl
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12:24<mjt>pawel: i mean, if sed works more than a week, perl probably will work about as long. But that should be many many terabytes of text files, probably more than whoe internet has now.
12:24<wopr>but, fxiny sorry my ignorance, but icecast and shoutcast are different? Because the server i should use is shoutcast based
12:25<mjt>pawel: or you've a slow CPU. whatever.
12:27<fxiny>wopr: i'm not expert . i had a conversation here with someone . so i just tryed ezstream wit icecast2 . can't find f* notes
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12:29<wopr>thank you fxiny
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12:30<fxiny>wopr: sorry can't help you more . wait here for someone else :)
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12:31<wopr>np fxiny at least you tryed to help me :)
12:31<fxiny>wopr: on sunday ... ;)
12:32<napoly>did anyone managed to run flex builder 3 (linux) on debian amd64? (no xp emulation)
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12:38<napoly>another one.. is there some way in debian so that you can switch from amd64 to i386.. like $JAVA_HOME variable.. and other environment variables will be set
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12:40<mjt>napoly: what exactly are you trying to do?
12:41<djc>amd64 and i386 are different hardware
12:41<djc>different cpu's
12:41<mjt>it's in fact the same
12:41<djc>well, i386 will run on an amd64
12:41<pawel>mjt: I misunderstood you. I mean I would replace this manually in text editor. Sed works lightning fast on a test file. I have around 1MB of small files with multiline beginning and ending mark. I'm learning English, sorry for my mistake. I cant delete other lines, because beginning mark is multiline, but each line itself would occur many times in text file. Because of that I want to replace multiline text (beginning mark) with ~BEGIN~.
12:41<djc>but not necesarrily the other way round
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12:45<mjt>pawel: i'm not about to become sed and interpret the sed program you pasted above. Unless you can express what you're doing I for one can't help you.
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12:46<mjt>what i'm supposed to do with that link?
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12:47<themill>pawel: sed doesn't do multi-line stuff very easily/elegantly because by default it processes the file line by line.
12:47<mjt>aha, i think i can see what's going on
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12:48<mjt>napoly: you can do that in a chroot - and i think it's easiest way. *Provided* they only have 32-bit version and no 64bit one.
12:48<djc>But one can combine sed, tr, printf, cut, and grep to insanely convoluted scripts that actually work ;)
12:48<mjt>napoly: or alternatively you can install 32bit debian on another partition :)
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12:49<mjt>it's always the issue with all proprietary stuff. Flash was one of most common cases.
12:49<mjt>32/64 bits i mean
12:50<napoly>it is
12:50<mjt>note your Eclipse "bitness" should match "bitness" of the plugin
12:50<napoly>adobe should provide a much better support for linux
12:50<mjt>they're going to that direction, slowly.
12:50<napoly>yeah.. that's where I got lost a little..
12:51<mjt>and especially since that stuff is alpha, don't expect best support.
12:51<mjt>it has too many rough edges by its own, not counting support and 32/64 bit issues.
12:51<napoly>even my flash player 64 is alpha
12:52<djc>solution: dont develop in flash, if you can avoid it.. definitely avoid anything except 'entertainment'
12:52<djc>eg, making the main navigation of a website in flash is Just Plain Stupid
12:52<mjt>it's the 64bit version is alpha. 32bit one works for long time.
12:52<napoly>building video chat social network
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12:53<djc>There was a financial institution I had an account with that got borged by a bigger one. The bigger one's 'online banking' was entirely flash embedded. I pulled all my deposits out of there and went elsewhere
12:53<pawel>mjt: those sed parameters delete from text file exerything apart from text in between ~BEGIN~ and ~END~ and those marks as well. I want to extract from file everything in between sequences of lines without those lines. Sed can't do it because it's line-oriented. Then how to replace few lines with ~BEGIN~ and few lines with ~END~?
12:53<djc>Insane, online banking in *flash*
12:53<mjt>pawel: /~BEGIN~/,/~END~/ D
12:54<napoly>that is an OVERKill
12:54<djc>pawel, using pastebin, give me an example of what you have, and a sample of what it should be turned into
12:54<mjt>pawel: that deletes everything between BEGIN and END marks
12:54<mjt>pawel: for that task, what you wrote is overkill ;)
12:54<djc>or what mjt said
12:54<mjt>pawel: but, as djc noted too, it's probably not what you want ;)
12:55<pawel>ok I'll give you example.
12:55<mjt>i guess there's quite some misunderstanding
12:55<pawel>I think so.
12:55<mjt>ie, pawel can't express clearly what he wants :)
12:55<mjt>or we can't understand that
12:55<djc>I generally use tr to flatten newlines to some semaphore character not otherwise used in the text, process the result, then tr the sempaphore back to newlines
12:55*pawel is learning English
12:55<fxiny>pawel: to extract ? with perl : if (/$start/ .. /$stop/) { ... print OUT_FILE "$_";
12:56<mjt>fxiny: it works just fine in sed too, btw. DELETING from 0 to /start/ and from /end/ to $
12:56<fxiny>pawel: google for "sed awk perl range replace"
12:56<djc>for instance, in html, to seperate text into lines each consisting of either *one* html tag, or all text not containing tags between two successive tags:
12:56<mjt>but in any way i'm going to have some food.. supper time! bbl.
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12:57<fxiny>mjt: yes , but i agree with themill , sed is not elegant doing ranges
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12:57<djc>cat file.html | tr "#" " " | sed 's/#//g' | sed 's/>/>#/' | sed 's/</#</g' | tr "#" "\n"
12:57<djc>hrm. I might have forgotten a tr -s "#" in there
12:58<djc>before the final tr
12:59<themill>line noise!
12:59<djc>NO CARRIE%^3453
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13:01<pawel>assuming ; is newline: seq;uen;uen;seq;ce;seq;uen;ce;text;to;be;written;to;output;e;n;d
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13:02<pawel>would return text;to;be;written;to;output
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13:02<pawel>assuming seq;uen;ce is beginning mark and e;n;d is ending mark
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13:03<pawel>djc: '<djc> cat file.html | tr "#" " " | sed 's/#//g' | sed 's/>/>#/' | sed 's/</#</g' | tr "#" "\n"' - could you explain what it's supposed to do?
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13:04<fxiny>tr some damned html file ? i do lynx :P
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13:05<pawel>It's script for parsing my forum content :)
13:05<fxiny>and i do it sooooooo smart : dumping in /dev/shm/tmp/ :P
13:06<fxiny>so i can dumo millionZ fileZ no hd waste :P
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13:09<fxiny>but in lenny they fixed a bug : lynx left margin , so i have to use sed . sometimes a bug is welcomed ...
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13:34<dimedo>hi, i set up an encrypted debian system to start a dropbear server through initramfs thus enabling me to unlock the machine remotely over ssh. the neccessary scripts are taken from the ubuntu dropbear package, where the same setup works nicely. when i type in the passphrase locally, everything still works fine. but if i log into it via ssh, manually unlock the device via cryptsetup and then kill the shell to continue the boot process, the s
13:34<dimedo>ystem stands still after outputting the following on the local screen: . any ideas? i'm totally stuck here.
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13:38<mjt>dimedo: do you have real ps(1) in your initramfs? If yes, how about pasteing output of `ps afx' right before leaving the ssh?
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13:39<dimedo>mjt, it's a busybox version
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13:42<mjt>did you complete the unlock procedure already in that picture?
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13:45<dimedo>mjt, no
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13:46<mjt>so please do it now, and get another ps
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13:48<dimedo> . after this, i would kill 796. i already tried it with also killing 807 and 808, 807 was only killable with kill -9
13:49<mjt>so is 796 killable?
13:49<mjt>(that's a stupid procedure, the whole damn thing...)
13:50<dimedo>mjt, yes, if i do that, the boot process is going until the point where it stands still
13:50<dimedo>mjt, on ubuntu, that brings the whole system up
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13:51<mjt>does it require killing 796 on ubuntu too?
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13:52<dimedo>mjt, maybe, it was the only way i got it to get back into the booting process. there seems to be no documentation on that
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13:55<Neikius>anyone got some time to help me with postfix?
13:55<mjt>and ok, how about 807 and 808 processes still?
13:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
13:55<mjt>dimedo: i mean, did you kill them before trying to process further?
13:55<isengaurd>you and me both
13:55<isengaurd>I'm using debian etch with ispconfig 2.2.32/ postfix 2.3.8+etch1/ @mail open 1.0.3/ mysql/ php5
13:55<isengaurd>and it hates me
13:56<dimedo>mjt, after killing 796, the ssh session gets closed as dropbear gets shutdown
13:56<mjt>dimedo: sure, because it stops waiting and process to 'remove-ssh'
13:56<dimedo>mjt, there is however a fifo in /lib/cryptsetip/passfifo which seems to connect the askpass application to the running cryptsetup process
13:56<Neikius>ok let me specify my problem a bit more then heh - lenny, postfix 2.5.5, mysql, sasl2, dovecot
13:57<mjt>dimedo: it's not really interesting.
13:57<mjt>dimedo: but anyway, how did you find out?
13:57<dimedo>mjt, but if i do 'echo "mypass" > /lib/cryptsetup/passfifo' cryptsetup complains about an incorrect password
13:57<Neikius>and it wont receive email, it gets rejected
13:57<isengaurd>same here
13:57<dimedo>mjt, i looked into the source of askpass
13:58<mjt>Neikius, isengaurd: ever jeard of :)
13:58<isengaurd>have now
13:58<Neikius>my issues are more pressing so I guess I will work through the night
13:58<mjt>please, pretty PLEASE pay some attention to list welcome message
13:58<dimedo>mjt, someone told me, that the incorrect password thing could be related to a security feature of ssh which doesn't allow writing to fifos, do you know anything about that?
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13:59<mjt>dimedo: it's 100% incorrect
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13:59<mjt>dimedo: i mean, ssh itself (or really sshd) can disallow whatever it likes, but once you're logged in, you're working with your usual /bin/sh
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14:00<dimedo>mjt, so why is my password incorrect? does a input from stdin through keyboard differ in any way?
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14:01<mjt>dimedo: well, it's 2nd question. And i can guess it dislikes the trailing newline. askpass does not add it, but echo does.
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14:01<dimedo>mjt, there is a line of code which filters that in askpass
14:01<mjt>but not in cryptsetup
14:02<dimedo>mjt, well, i see, that was a bit stupid to think...
14:02<dimedo>mjt, can i stop echo from doing that?
14:02<mjt>askpass is the application that reads the password INCLUDING newline from the terminal and prints it to the standard output, which goes to fifo and to cryptsetup
14:03<mjt>but it writes ONLY password into that fifo, not newline
14:03<mjt>try echo -n
14:03<mjt>but you have to stop askpass too
14:03<wopr>buona serata a tutti! - good night people!
14:03<dimedo>mjt, works
14:03<mjt>yay ;)
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14:03<mjt>good guess it was, right? :)
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14:04<dimedo>mjt, really nice, plus, you fixed the whole problem, the system is up and running
14:04<mjt>Neikius: so, what is in damn logs?
14:04<TNT>like make talk potuguese??
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14:04<mjt>dimedo: but seriously, that whole thing is um, ugly, don't you think?
14:04<dimedo>mjt, i can't tell you how happy i am, that problem could have annoyed me for weeks if you weren't there
14:05<mjt>and the workaround we found does not sound right either
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14:05<dimedo>mjt, it surely could be better, but it's relatively simple and it works now
14:05<mjt>btw, check process list after the system booted - if there are some things left
14:05<dimedo>mjt, i bet there a thousands of ways to make it even uglier
14:05<TNT>like make talk potuguese???
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14:06<mjt>note that askpass places terminal into "raw" mode so you will not be able to see/type any other chars on the console till it's restored back.
14:06<TNT>yes in debian
14:06<mjt>i mean, killing it without giving it a chance to restore things back is not right.
14:07<dimedo>mjt, askpass gets killed automatically, it's no longer there
14:08<dimedo>mjt, is there maybe a general purpose tool which reads a password from stdin and streams it into a file without showing it?
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14:10<mjt>that thing should have some script that maybe calls askpass or another such tool, echos it to the fifo you mentioned and kills right things if necessary -- all done cleanly and automatically, with a simple user interface.
14:10<mjt>maybe `unlock' does just that?
14:10<mjt>(i never saw all this stuff before, btw)
14:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:11<pawel>how to pass / to sed?
14:11<pawel>sed -n '/<br><p align="justify">/ !d; n; x; :l n; /<br><br></p>/ b e; H; b l; :e x; p' <name-News-article-sid-190.html >name-News-article-sid-190.html
14:11<pawel>sed: -e expression #1, character 55: additional characters after expression
14:11<mjt>pawel: add \ before
14:11<pawel>ok thanks
14:11<sney>that is one slow-ass bot.
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14:12<mjt>but you ruined your file, do you understand?
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14:12<pawel>I have fast PC, it will be fast.
14:12<mjt>i mean your file is gone
14:12<mjt>it's not here anymore
14:13<pawel>oh I see.
14:13<pawel>but I can recove it :)
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14:13<mjt>you can do this: sed ..... < file > tmp; mv tmp file
14:13<mjt>or you can do sed -i ... file
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14:19<Xeross>guys i've got this error: i've recently switched from etch to lenny. how can i fix this
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14:20<stuckey>Is there any way to increase the volume aside from using alsamixer and the volume knob on your speakers?
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14:20<stuckey>I've done both but the volume level is still too low.
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14:21<mjt>stuckey: note there may be several knobs in alsamixer
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14:22<Xeross>can anyone help me /
14:22<Xeross>can anyone help me ?
14:22<stuckey>mjt: What's the difference between pcm and front?
14:22<mjt>pcm is input - on the audio card it's the input where all your applications are "writing" to
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14:23<mjt>front is the front speaker(s)
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14:23<mjt>(pcm is internal -- there's no connector on the card for it, obviously)
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14:25<Xeross>fixed it
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14:26<Xeross>i fixed my problem
14:26<Xeross>i need slocate for lenny
14:26<mjt>how you fixed it?
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14:27<Xeross>i just had to stop normal pdns and start pdns-recursor so it could be stopped
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14:27<mjt>heh. smells like a bug.
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14:28<Xeross>nah if something isn't started it cant be stopped eh
14:28<Xeross>still now i need slocate
14:28<Xeross>what does a c mean
14:28<mjt>but there's no reason to stop package installation like that
14:29<Xeross>c slocate - Secure replacement of findutil's locate
14:29<Xeross>what's the C mean ?
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14:29<mjt>see the very beginning of dpkg output
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14:29<mjt>where all the keys are described
14:29<Xeross>this was aptitude
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14:30<mjt>hmm dunno when
14:30<mjt>whatever ;)
14:30<mjt>(i'm not a native english speaker ;)
14:30<EmleyMoor>c = config present but package not installed
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14:31<mjt>Xeross: well, there are dlocate and mlocate. I don't know where slocate went.
14:31<Xeross>No candidate version found for slocate
14:31<Xeross>No candidate version found for slocate
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14:31<Xeross>it sais when trying to install
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14:31<mjt>and also "just" locate
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14:32<mjt>slocate is gone
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14:32<mjt>no idea
14:32<Xeross>also slocate is said to be a secure version of locate so that would make locate insecure
14:33<EmleyMoor>Maybe locate is now just as secure if not more so
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14:33<mjt>well, there are "secure linux distribution" but it means all others are insecure
14:33<mjt>it does NOT mean
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14:34<Xeross>it's exploitable
14:34<Xeross>suppposedly slocate doesn't have this exploit
14:34<mjt>it's bullshit Xeross
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14:34<EmleyMoor>That was 4.1 - it is now at 4.4
14:34<mjt>it was in 2001
14:35<pawel>thank you for all help
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14:36<Xeross>weird can't find the session store of php
14:37<mjt>php? And you're concerned about locate security? Oh well.
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15:05<k1lumin4t1>recommendations on light desktop environments for linux
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15:10<Nemoder>k1lumin4t1: XFCE is a good balance between light and user friendly
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15:17<wopr>a dopo - see you later :)
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15:21<EagleScreen>googleearth crash in Debian testing, this is the error:
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15:23<rhelis>can somebody tell me how to kill the process from tty?
15:23<rhelis>or user
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15:24<christoph>kill $PID ?
15:24<EagleScreen>or killall firefox
15:24<EagleScreen>for instrance
15:25<sney>and if it doesn't work add a -9
15:25<sney>for extreme prejudice
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15:27<ootput>pkill works too
15:27<mjt>killall5 -9 ;)
15:28<isengaurd>i fixed it
15:28<isengaurd>its working now
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15:29<mjt>isengaurd: postfix?
15:29<mjt>well, i guess reading logs helped, no? :)
15:29<isengaurd>getting all my email
15:29<isengaurd>not a bit
15:30<mjt>postfix has very accurate logs.
15:30<isengaurd>just going over the .cf files with a fine toothed comb
15:30<isengaurd>oh yeah
15:30<isengaurd>the logs were usefull in telling me where to look
15:30<mjt>ok. good!
15:30<isengaurd>but i had been staring at them for 3 days
15:31<isengaurd>turned out to be a setting in ispconfig
15:31<isengaurd>once i got the front end connected properly to the back end
15:31<mjt>(i'm with postfix since days it were called `vmailer' - circa 1997 or so.. produced quite some patches/changes, and in early days was the number 1 in postfix-users mailinglist, answering to every and all questions... ;)
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15:36<sney>I keep getting connection resets and terrible latency issues that I didn't have with the otherwise awful "easy peasy"
15:36<sney>what the hell, debian.
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15:47<mrnice`>sney, do u use an rtl8139 nic?
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15:47<sney>it's wifi, an atheros chip
15:48<sney>using madwifi on both debian and the other thing
15:48<mrnice`>i got an wifi ap running with madwifi and hostapd, kernel 2.6.26-2, no problems
15:49<mrnice`>did u use madwifi svn oder debian source?
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15:51<saratogacx>Yep.. that did it.. thanks !!
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15:58<mrnice`>sney, try svn and 2.6.26-2, that will work
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16:02<ed_debian>Hey all, my mouse becomes "sticky" when I am loading a web page. My network connection here at school is not amazing. How can I fix it?
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16:03<cahoot>ed_debian: don't watch porn
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16:04<ed_debian>cahoot, lol. It happens on other sites too
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16:04<cahoot>I doubt the problem is network speed
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16:05<cahoot>ed_debian: maybe top can help you sort out the cause
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16:08<mjt>it usually happens in case of too much swapping
16:08<ed_debian>cahoot, Yeah I used top. When I load multiple pages as fast as a can (using epiphany) of course epiphany takes up more resources. If I change epiphany's priority will that help?
16:08<ed_debian>mjt, really? I just changed my swappiness to 5 in an attempt to fix this
16:08<ed_debian>correct me if I'm wrong but 5 means that it will swap less
16:08<mjt>no idea.
16:09<ed_debian>mjt, ok
16:09<mjt>the point was if you've less memory than is needed.
16:09<ed_debian>mjt, I have 1 GB so that should be sufficient for debian 4
16:09<ed_debian>debian 5*
16:09<mjt>yeah, 1GB should be fine
16:09<mjt>provided you don't open 100 windows and don't load 100 spreadshits at the same time
16:10<mjt>100 browser windows
16:10<ed_debian>mjt, What if I raised the priority of Xorg?
16:11<mjt>well, why can't you just try instead of asking?
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16:11<mjt>i'm not your X or your system ;)
16:11<locklace>he just wants to make sure demons won't fly out of his nose
16:11<ed_debian>locklace, It has happened once before
16:11<ootput>mjt: typo there?
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16:12<mjt>what typo?
16:12<cahoot>fan related activity?
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16:12<ed_debian>mjt, I think he's just making fun because I'm nervous to mess with my system
16:12<mjt>you can't mess by changing runtime parameters
16:12<ed_debian>Does anybody know how to change priority using top? I am searching through the man pages but can't find anything
16:12<mjt>the worst you'll have to reboot
16:13<locklace>ed_debian: just use renice
16:13<mjt>it's `r' key
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16:13<Zviper>if i mount /dev/sdb/ onto /new-disk(/new-disk is on /dev/sda/) and i format /dev/sda/, will i lose my all my data on /dev/sdb/ ?
16:14<ootput>ed_debian: why do you need top
16:14<mjt>Zviper: no
16:14<Zviper>ok great thanks
16:14<william>I'm from Dominican Republic
16:14<ed_debian>top shows Xorg as process
16:14<william>I don't speak english
16:14<ed_debian>that is the only reason I am using it instead of gnome's system monitor
16:14<mjt>william: which language do you speak?
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16:15<william>I speak spanish
16:15<ootput>ed_debian: press 'h'
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16:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:15<ed_debian>locklace, I do not have permission to renice Xorg
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16:15<ed_debian>locklace, should I be running top as root?
16:15<ootput>ed_debian: htop is infinitely nicer, btw
16:15<william>ok, thanks
16:15<locklace>ed_debian: just use renice, and yes, as root
16:16<ed_debian>locklace, oic renice as a stand alone command
16:16<william>what program in ubuntu work like this?
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16:16<william>I'm in xubuntu
16:17<mjt>william: like what?
16:17<william>like xchat
16:17<mjt>well, xchat maybe? :)
16:17<ootput>ed_debian: oh man. thanks for reintroducing me to 'top'. I had no idea it had color support (prev only monochrome) until now
16:17<ed_debian>Ahh that is much better
16:18<dr|z3d>xchat, irssi, chatzilla..
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16:18<ed_debian>ootput, you're welcome
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16:18<william>ok, thanks
16:18<william>good bye
16:18<mjt>william: btw, your english is ok :)
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16:18<ed_debian>ok, new task. I want to write a startup script to do this everytime I start the system since like somebody said earlier this is runtime data only
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16:19<ed_debian>I know how to write the script. Where does debian look for startup scripts?
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16:19<mjt>ed_debian: so what did you do? Reniced X ?
16:19<ed_debian>yeah, I looked up Xorg's PID on top
16:20<ootput>ed_debian: iirc, nice values can be passed to X init script
16:20<ed_debian>then I ran "sudo renice -5 -p (Xorg's pid)
16:20<ootput>no need to create your own
16:20<ootput>though i forget which one exactly
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16:21<Zviper>i created a folder in /new-disk and tried to delete /new-disk folder, instead it deleted the folder within. should i umount /dev/sdb/ before i format /dev/sda/(which /new-disk is on) to avoid data loss?
16:21<ootput>cahoot: ed_debian: Xwrapper.config
16:21<cahoot>ootput: ok
16:22<ed_debian>ootput, Where is that file?
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16:24<ed_debian>ootput, I have at the bottom of Xwrapper.config "nice_value = 0" I am assuming this is the nice value for Xorg?
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16:24<ed_debian>ootput, Out of curiosity what does "allowed_users= " do?
16:25<mjt>how about `man Xwrapper.config' ?
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16:25<ootput>ed_debian: right. use man
16:25<ed_debian>mjt, ootput, thanks guys!
16:25<cahoot>and don't get your fingers sticky again
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16:26<ed_debian>got thanks again!
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16:26<aetheria>installing ssh requires x11-common? isn't there some minimalist install for systems without X?
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16:27<mjt> aetheria it's not required
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16:27<mjt>aetheria: Recommends: xauth
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16:27<aetheria>mjt: apt-get install ssh pulls it in, as does ssh-server
16:27<mjt>^^ see above
16:28<mjt>and by default apt-get installs all packages in Recommends: section
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16:28<aetheria>"The following packages will be installed.... x11-common"
16:28<mjt>x11-common is required by xauth
16:28<aetheria>i guessed that
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16:29<mjt>but how to stop it from installing that -- i don't know. I added it to /etc/apt/apt.conf, but some says it's wrong way.
16:29<aetheria>what config file can i edit to change apt's behavior in this respect?
16:29<mjt>APT::Install-Recommends false;
16:30<mjt>the rationale was that some packages is buggy and incorrectly uses Recommends: instead of Depends:
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16:31<mjt>or something around that. I don't remember the details, it was about a year ago.
16:31<jackyf>mjt: --no-install-recommends
16:31<mjt>well, i'm not about using that on every apt invocation, thank you very much
16:31<aetheria>mjt: thanks. your suggestion worked, but i put it in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99custom instead
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16:34<locklace>mjt: argh, does current apt really install all the recommends by default?
16:34<mjt>locklace: ask aetheria ? :)
16:34<jackyf>locklace: yes
16:34<aetheria>si senor
16:34<locklace>ok, definitely going to turn that off
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16:35<locklace>did we figure out how yet?
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16:35<locklace>commandline option doesn't count
16:35<aetheria> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99custom instead
16:35<mjt>00:29 < mjt> APT::Install-Recommends false;
16:35<ootput>locklace: you will be losing some of the package's functionality
16:35<aetheria>put this line in it: APT::Install-Recommends false;
16:35<ootput>locklace: they're recommended for a reason :)
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16:36<aetheria>ootput: which is why it shows you what they are and you can review and choose them if you want
16:36<ootput>it'd be more convenient to alias --no-install-recommends, than to have it globally disabled
16:36<cahoot>I'd sorely want to get evolution out of the system
16:37<aetheria>ootput: not for me. i just read when its installing and make a decision. if I'm not sure what a recommends package does, i look it up first
16:37<ootput>aetheria: i'm aware
16:37<mjt>poor evo ;)
16:37<cahoot>mjt: I'm so simple I'm content with gmail
16:38*mjt never used evo and hever had it installed
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16:38*hever neither
16:38<ootput>it's a good organisation tool
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16:39<cahoot>ootput: well I feel perfectly organized anyway
16:39<ootput>plus it syncs perfectly with my pda(s)
16:39<ootput>cahoot: you can never be too organised ;)
16:39<cahoot>ootput: ooh yes you can - thin Asperger
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16:41<ootput>death is just a minor distraction, tis all
16:41<cahoot>ootput: the final reboot?
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16:43<ootput>cahoot: just a quick one.. for now
16:43<ootput>night all
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16:53<shamanix>can anyone recommend a good lightweight pdf viewer? I tried ePDFViewer and KPDF, both bring my system to a grinding halt with large pdfs
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16:58<mjt>kpdf is actually pretty good if configured not to eat 100x available memory
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16:59<shamanix>haven't noticed an option for that, I'll recheck
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16:59<mjt>not sure if there's an option ;)
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16:59<mjt>it does pretty good job, but it caches every page it displayed, in memory.
17:00<mjt>caches the bitmap of it, the picture, i.e. already rendered one.
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17:04<enouf>shamanix: unfortunately acroread works best imo
17:04<xlotlu>mjt: okular can be configured pretty nicely
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17:07<shamanix>thanks i'll give them a try, found the setting for kpdf memory usage, but its still slow, though slightly better
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17:09<amphi>shamanix: what do you mean by large? epdfview works fine here with a 260+MB pdf
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17:20<seol>hello world
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17:41<Arv3n>on debian lenny i type in generic.all_generic_ide=1 as a boot option and it says unknown boot option.
17:41<Arv3n>this is crucial becuase it helps me detect my cdrom drive. any ideas?
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18:09<shamanix>whoa, hadn't seen this before, Foxit just recently released a pdf viewer for linux, has anyone tried it?, I'm downloading as we speak.
18:10<bzed>shamanix: why would one do that?
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18:10<bzed>shamanix: acrobat is enough closed source crap
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18:16<TimbrWolf> /help
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18:44<shamanix>how can I enter characters with accents that are not on my keyboard? in windows you could do this with alt + xyz, how do you do it in linux?
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18:45<rastiazul>yo lo hago con la tecla q esta a la par del enter mas la letra
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18:45<napoly>hello.. noob here.. so how does one know that his graphic card (intel corporation mobile 4 series chipset integrated graphic) works out of the box on debian (stable) with kernel 2.6.29-1-amd64..??
18:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:46<abrotman>napoly: stable doesn't have a .29 kernel
18:46<rastiazul>im running a program in wine that acts like a server and the clients arent able to connect, it says the server''s computer name is wrong. Could it be because of wine?
18:46<napoly>its a newest kernel (sid)
18:46<locklace>shamanix: ☢
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18:47<placide>HI !
18:49<placide>Do u know something about XUBUNTU ?
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18:50<goodger>thank goodness for that
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18:51<Nemoder>shamanix: try gucharmap or kcharselect
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18:55<themill>dpkg: tell shamanix about compose
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19:04<rutski>lets say that I'm an X-less terminal, and I do "startx &", and then type "exit"; to start X11, and then logout of the raw terminal
19:04<rutski>is it possible to do that in a single line?
19:04<rutski>"startx &; exit" doesn't work it seems
19:05<locklace>it won't do what you want
19:05<rutski>locklace: indeed not :(
19:05<rutski>putting "start &\nexit" into an .sh file doesn't fly either
19:05<rutski>since the exit there just exists the sub-shell
19:05<locklace>one thing you could try in zsh is to startx & and then disown it and exit
19:05<rutski>*a .sh file
19:05<locklace>whether that works depends on how badly it confuses X
19:06<rutski>ok, time to run; I'll just quit the shell manually for now.
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19:19<phil_>hello..just installed Lenny. I got vlc up and running but it was bugging with some videos. I did a complete-removal via synaptic, then compiled the latest source and ran it. Since it was worst, I uninstalled it (make uninstall), but now when I install vlc via synaptic or apt-get, nothing gets installed..
19:20<abrotman>aptitude reinstall vlc ?
19:20<phil_>tried that..same thing
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19:21<abrotman> .. paste `apt-cache policy vlc`
19:26<themill>phil_: are you sure that the debian package was removed when you ran make uninstall? You might like to try "aptitude reinstall vlc".
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19:28<phil_>this was the sequence that was done: install vlc(synaptic)->complete removal (synaptic)-->source compie/make/make install/make uninstall --> install vlc (synaptic)-->remove (synaptic)->install apt->reinstall apt ................ never works since make uninstall from the sources
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19:32<djc>perhaps your make uninstall removed some of its dependencies
19:32<djc>suggest looking at its dependencies and reinstall them
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19:33<abrotman>phil_: when i said "aptitude reinstall vlc" .. which part of that looked like apt-get ?
19:33<djc>note that 'make install' in source code will generally throw files in many places with no tracking. make uninstall is even worse, it will blindly remove files, who knows if they are part of an install .deb package
19:33<themill>also "reinstall" != "install".
19:34<abrotman>well .. that was pretty obvious i thought
19:34<djc>generally, if you *must* compile something from source, you generally want to tell it to install everything in /usr/local/name_of_program/ or something
19:34<djc>so its at least all contained together
19:35<phil_>the reinstall was done after an install to check if it would fix it
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19:37<djc>your make uninstall may have removed some of the files that art parts of packages in vlc's dependencies.
19:37<djc>Id suggest looking at its dependency list, and reinstlaling all of those
19:37<djc>use synaptic or aptitude, not apt-get
19:38<abrotman>phil_: so how did you reinstall it ?
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19:38<phil_>wow....I uninstalled/reinstall via add/remove program and it worked
19:39<phil_>fetched 10 files instead of 1 compared to synaptic
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19:39<phil_>djc was prob removed a dependency and wouldnt install via syn
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19:54<phil_>off to fix alsa now..thanks for the help..ill prob be back :P
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21:00<buff78>debian rocks
21:01*sney throws up the horns \m/
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21:06<buff78>i just realized there is a few #debian's on different networks....... is the official channel?
21:06<djc>define 'official'
21:07<buff78>yer ok
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22:08<xfxf_>Hi there - is there a known openssh exploit in Debian 5 (64-bit)? I've just had a freshly installed & patched box owned, only thing installed on it is xen & openssh
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22:10<abrotman>owned how?
22:10<xfxf_>machine was spewing mail out
22:10<xfxf_>logged in, there's a perl script sitting in ~/.ssh with a bunch of addresses et al
22:11<xfxf_>nfi how they gained access to machine, logs not showing much information
22:11<xfxf_>er, by ~ i mean root
22:11<xfxf_>so /root/.ssh/
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22:22<rnd_user>does debian usually have any problems getting xorg to work with nvidia cards
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22:28<bremner>err, what? reports of problems with nvidia cards are a steady stream. This is not debian's fault, of course.
22:30<xfxf_>ping, any clues on my issue?
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22:30<xfxf_>first time i've ever had a box owned. again, completely up to date, only open port is openssh, and root password is defintely strong
22:30<abrotman>and all other passwds strong?
22:31<xfxf_>root ssh login _was_ enabled in sshd, which i've now disabled (unsure why it was enabled, is that the default?), but it still should not have happened
22:31<xfxf_>the only account on the machine is root
22:31<xfxf_>literally, i installed this box like 4 days ago
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22:31<abrotman>did you check throuogh the auth logs? are there any other root users? every box sshed from was also up to date and clean?
22:31<xfxf_>i installed openssh and xen
22:31<xfxf_>verified only listening port was openssh
22:31<xfxf_>verified in apt sources.list
22:31<xfxf_>updated everything
22:31<xfxf_>and haven't touched it since
22:31<xfxf_>it's not even running anything
22:32<xfxf_>and the logs are empty; they've been cleaned
22:32<shadouts>only account is root? Don't use root. sudo from a regular user
22:32<xfxf_>and yes, only box ssh'ed from was my laptop, and that's typically behind NAT
22:32<abrotman>shadouts: that wouldn't solve the issue
22:32<xfxf_>shadouts: aware, usual practice. again, i literally had _only_ installed this box a few days ago, hadn't gotten around to configuring with daemons etc yet
22:34<shadouts>sry, was just always taught that logging in as root makes you vulnerable
22:35<abrotman>he didn't say he did that
22:35<xfxf_>i'm just wondering if there's some 0day exploit floating around
22:35<xfxf_>i've maintained debian boxes for years, i can't figure this one out
22:36<xfxf_>the only possible way into that system was via openssh
22:36<abrotman>xfxf_: there is a debian-security mailing list you could ask ..
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22:39<tangke>the qt-x11-opensource-4.5.1 of arch mipsel is ported error?
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22:42<abrotman>tangke: say again?
22:43<tangke>the mipsel arch of qt-x11-opensource-4.5.1 is error? the x86's is ok
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22:43<abrotman>maybe look at
22:44<sney>a lot of the less common architectures have errors in places where x86 is fine
22:44<sney>especially the RISC variants
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22:46<tangke>i want to build the qtcreator of mipsel,but the qtcreator of version 1.1 depends of qt-x11-opensource.4.5.1
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22:48<sney>it's too bad there's no #debian-mips
22:49<dondelelcaro>sney: you can ask such questions here if you want
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22:49<tangke>who can tell me how to buildd the packages,and i want to join the debian
22:49<dondelelcaro>(it's always fine to ask architecture specific questions here; it just may not be the *best* place to ask...)
22:50<sney>yeah I know, it's just tangke here has some weird bug on a mips system
22:50<sney>I could help if it was sparc
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22:50<tangke>i want to build all packages, with binutils patched,how can i do it?
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22:50<tangke>thanks jmarsden
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23:10<ircleuser>Hello could you tell me how to change the package directory so I can download apt-get install gcc witout the cd
23:11<jmarsden>ircleuser: edit /etc/apt-get/sources.list and comment out the CD as a source
23:11<sney>I always see that nick first as "irc le user" and only later do I recognize 'ircle' as its own term
23:11<xemacs4321>its /etc/apt/sources.list
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23:12<jmarsden>Indeed... my mistake.
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23:12<ircleuser>Thank you very much!
23:12<sney>je suis irc le user, en francais
23:16<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
23:20<sney>was that a joke or do you just kneejerk those dpkg commands without even looking
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23:30<ircleuser>hi what's the proper mysql-devel name for apt-get?
23:31<ircleuser>does anyone know?
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23:32<xemacs4321>dpkg -l mysql\*
23:32<dpkg>No packages found matching mysql\*
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23:37<ircleuser>yea does anyone know?
23:37<ircleuser>I want to get mysql-devel
23:37<ircleuser>but can't find the packge :S
23:39<tangke>apt-cache search mysql |grep devel
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23:40<xemacs4321>ircleuser, for client libmysqlclient15-dev
23:40<xemacs4321>thats all i can find
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23:55<ircleuser>can someone teach me how to enable SSH so I can control my linux desktop from another machine
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23:55<manphiz>install openssh-server?
23:56<ircleuser>is it safe?
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23:56<manphiz>What's the definition of "safe"?
23:57<ircleuser>well will it be password protected?
23:57<ircleuser>I've never done this so I'm wondering
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23:58<dpkg>[ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" ( Clients for other platforms include <putty><cygwin><niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your ssh server include <fail2ban> <denyhosts>. Also see <scp><sftp><ssh without password><sshx><ssh linedraw><debug sshd>.
23:59<jmarsden>ircleuser: It is what most people use to remotely access Linux machines and is reasonably secure.
23:59<ircleuser>It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication.
23:59<ircleuser>then can't ANYONE control the machine?
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