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---Logopened Tue May 05 00:00:01 2009
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00:44<zhangjiancheng>hi ,everyone,which msn is the best on linux?
00:44<vikki>pidgin imo
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01:07<hawk>anyone know how toll disable the tool bar ballons ?
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01:10<shadouts>I just bought a working battery for my thinkpad T20 but when I try to start it up on battery power X doesn't initiate the videocard or something. I have to hard reset it a couple times for it to initialize the video.
01:10<shadouts>what's going on? is it an acpi issue?
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01:15<jawall>Any ideas why Xorg runs CPU usage out the roof when the ac power is plugged in but runs great when on battery?
01:15<jawall>xorg runs at 4% or less when the laptop runs on battery, but jumps to over 90% when I plug in the ac power
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01:17<shadouts>370 users an no solutions +(
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01:48<brandon>whats the license for debian?
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01:53<jmarsden>np. Note there is no one licence for all of Debian, but all software in Debian main meets those guidelines.
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01:58<Guest745>alguien que hable español por ahi?
01:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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02:04<`1>cheers guys.. could anyone help? :D
02:04<`1>what codecs do i need to be able to view .wmv files? i installed w64codecs already..but kaffeine refuses to open the files
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02:05<aardvarX>i like running just a window manager - i cant get mplayer to stop xscreensaver when playing... anyone know of any solution yet?
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02:06<`1>aardvarX, disable xscreensaver
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02:07<ootput>aardvarX: mplayer -stop-xscreensaver ..
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02:07<ootput>aardvarX: or you could create a shell function to toggle xset dpms off/before & on/after mplayer line
02:09<aardvarX>why doesnt it just work, like it's supposed to, like it always has before lenny i wunder/(
02:09<ootput>it could be your WM at fault, too
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02:10<aardvarX>no, it's a bug, i see it in the buglist
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02:12<`1>Torsten_W, any ideea how can i get the .wmv files to be played? in installed already the w64codecs.. but no result.. neither with vlc,mplayer,dragon player,smplayer kaffeine
02:13<aardvarX>ive tried both -heartbeat and -disable, just causes mplayer to crash.
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02:14<ootput>aardvarX: and what of my suggestions?
02:15<aardvarX>it doesn't seem to work, mplayer doesn't seem to recognize -stop-xscreensaver
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02:16<ootput>i guess that would depend on your version of mplayer, wouldn't it
02:16<ootput>good luck
02:18<aardvarX>hmmm , maybe it does work, but it won't enable it after it's done though. maybe i could write a shell
02:18<ootput>`1: wmv playback fine here with w64codecs
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02:18<jm_>mplayer just disables blanking (dpms), doesn't stop xscreensaver
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02:19<Torsten_W>`1: it depends what type of wmv it is
02:20<aardvarX>well, that's apos - and i would imagine it's a mplayer bug
02:20<Torsten_W>`1: is it with drm, u can't play such videos on linux
02:20<`1>i dunno.. some movie downloaded 2 days ago..
02:20<`1>just a sec
02:21<ootput>could be a fake
02:21<`1>kaffeine gives me that source media seems scrambled encrypted
02:22<`1>it might..
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02:25<ootput>`1: peruse comments board
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02:32<brandon>is there a way to repackage modifications made to debian back to an iso?
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02:33<jm_>brandon: d-i web page has docs about doing that
02:34<brandon>jm_: can you post a link, i cant find it
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02:34<jm_>brandon: -- follow the links under Documentation
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02:35<`1>aardvarX, any luck yet?
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02:38<unixluser>hello. I want to install debian on several machines. I want some settings to be different from what installer has. how do i make this?
02:38<unixluser>like, i don't want ipv6 or exim
02:39<ootput>whoa dejavu
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02:39<ootput>quick! agents! run!
02:40<brandon>jm_: where am i looking in the D I pages?
02:42<unixluser>what i'm after is something like stage4 install for gentoo
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02:44<iqbal>how are you
02:44<jm_>unixluser: read installation guide, i.e. preseeding - debian doesn't install exim by default
02:44<ootput>unixluser: that looks more like a tarball snapshot-restore mechanism, more than anything
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02:45<sney>yeah, or network imaging like with clonezilla
02:45<ootput>unixluser: afaik, gentoo has never had an installation mechanism in place
02:45<sney>I guess it depends on how many is "several"
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02:45<sney>yeah, gentoo is a loose collection of wget, tar, and a very verbose manual
02:46<aardvarX>`1, no luck, doesn't look like it will disable, i'll turn it off until mplayer/xscreensaver patches it
02:46<sney>pretty fun to tinker with but I wouldn't put it into production
02:46<`1>Torsten_W, i found something over the net,about playing DRM encrypted files under linux..
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02:46<`1>aardvarX, while searching,it seems that is the xscreensaver faulty for some reason...
02:47<`1>the only available solution that i founded to your problem is by using a shell script
02:48<ootput>aardvarX: if you're using a DE, consider using a -screensaver package better integrated with your DE
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02:49<`1>aardvarX, what wm are you using now?
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02:49<aardvarX>i dont like gnome or kde - i do like lxde, but it just uses xscreensaver
02:50<aardvarX>nothing is really integrated in lxde
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02:50<aardvarX>it's just openbox
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02:53<unixluser>i don't understand preseeding :(
02:53<BSD-Elite>"Linux has never been about quality. There are so many parts of the system that are just these cheap little hacks, and it happens to run." --Theo De Raadt. How was that OpenSSL fiasco for you E-tards Debian lunix users and developers ? That sure demonstrated Debian's high quality control over it's code production didn't it ? Yeah right. Linux is for idiots
02:54<ootput>unixluser: it's an answer file for all the questions asked by the debian installer
02:54<ootput>unixluser: kind of like the unattended-install on the Windows platform
02:54<unixluser>ootput: oooh
02:54<BSD-Elite>wow I haven't been kicked or banned yet that is very strange
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02:55<ootput>care-factor is a bit low for that, atm
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02:56<sney>on a related note, I saw Theo De Raadt IRL kind of recently
02:56<sney>it was on the highway 2, he drives a green Toyota Tercel coupe with vanity tags that say HAX0R
02:56<ootput>haha you're kidding?
02:56<sney>and he hunches over the steering wheel
02:57<sney>no I am 100% serious
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02:57<sney>not super-serious, though, because it was pretty funny
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02:57<ootput>that walking stick of his isn't making his posture any better
02:58<sney>to be fair most people hunch over their steering wheels on highway 2, they don't call it "deathfoot" just because it sounds cool
02:58<sney>gotta keep alert or you will be on fire like that buick over there
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02:59<ootput>on a related note, i saw a 5-car pileup on my way to Canberra this morning
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02:59<ootput>at 6 is the frickin morning
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03:00<ootput>it's not as if there were too many obstacles on the road at that time
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03:08<brandon>how do i install debian from the live cd?
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03:10<adb>ask #debian-live ?
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03:16<kingsley>adb: If the live cd can't be installed, I suggest trying sidux.
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03:16<san>hi , i installed oracle 10g in my system. i cant login into sqlplus. it shows the error like this " ORA-12162: TNS:net service name is incorrectly specified
03:17<benjamin>san ... you re on #debian
03:17<jm_>san: this has got nothing to do with Debian, you need to ask oracle support
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03:17<adb>kingsley: netinstall is much better
03:17<san>i installed lattest lenny in my system
03:18<jm_>yes, but oracle is not part of it
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03:18<san>ok , jm_ . is there any irc for oracle
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03:19<jm_>san: I have no idea
03:20<san>ok jm_ , thank you.
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05:00<tenzind>hi, when i do a aptitude update, i get a "503 service unavailable" error from .
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05:01<jm_>tenzind: is several hosts, try again
05:02<tenzind>jm_, have tried the whole afternoon. :-(
05:02<jm_>tenzind: works here
05:03<Rutger>here too
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05:04<tenzind>i just get these errors: 503 Service Unavailable [IP: 80] . and this . 503 Service Unavailable [IP: 80] and similar others but with diff IP addresses
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05:05<jm_>tenzind: there are 3 more IP-s, try host
05:05<jm_>try to stick one of those other 3 in /etc/hosts and see if forcing aptitude to use that will help
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05:06<tenzind>jm_, i have this in my sources.list : deb testing/updates main
05:06<jm_>tenzind: yes, that's normal
05:06<tenzind>jm_, even tried replacing "testing" with "squeeze".. but it didnt help
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05:07<jm_>tenzind: that doesn't affect how packets travel to the destination, which is where your problem is - might be some shitty proxy in between
05:07<jm_>tenzind: does it work if you do HEAD
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05:11<tenzind>jm_, it doesnt ... get some connection error "Connection refused"...
05:12<jm_>tenzind: right, you have some "local" issues -- try tcptraceroute
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05:47<locklace>!beer jm_
05:47*dpkg pours a pint of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for jm_
05:48<jm_>why me?
05:48<locklace>just thought you could use one
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05:57<petern>isopropyl alcohol or indian pale ale?
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06:31<ManFisher>hi all
06:33<ManFisher>I'm running a mailserver with cyrus and postfix under debian 4. Is it _REALLY_ necessary to upgrade to 5 for Security or functional reasons?
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06:35<weasel>it will eventually.
06:35<OdyX>ManFisher: Debian 4 (aka Etch, aka old-stable) will be completely discontinued next february…
06:35<weasel>right now etch still has security support
06:36<OdyX>discontinued = no security updates
06:36<ManFisher>so you would definitely upgrade?
06:36<OdyX>security and functional reasons can be your reasons… Just be aware that maintaing a correct level of security after this deadline will just end up in a nightmare...
06:37<ManFisher>scenario: the server runs as an internal server only, just fetching mails via fetchmail. behind a well configured firewall...
06:37<OdyX>ManFisher: if your setup is critical, I would copy it to a non-live mailserver, try the upgrade there to see what-ifs and such and then, with your clear experience, upgrade the front machine
06:40<ManFisher>OdyX: well, I don't have that luxury of a second machine... I'll see what I can do. Only thing is, I'm required to decide within the next 2 days whether we upgrade or no
06:40<OdyX>ManFisher: definetely upgrade now
06:40<ManFisher>alright, thanks for your advice and kindness...
06:41<OdyX>(waaay better than in one year)
06:41<simplechat>hey, i've got a debian box that is randomly freezing
06:41<simplechat>anybody else notice this on etch?
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06:41<petern>no. probably a hardware problem.
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06:43<pasoev>hI ALL, how can add my debian username in sudoers file?
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06:46<jm_>pasoev: visudo
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06:54<locklace>simplechat: points for vagueness
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06:58<simplechat>locklace, i'm not exactly sure whats wrong
06:58<simplechat>just sometimes everything just stops
06:58<simplechat>i get bad MAC's on my ssh sessions (as everything just freezes)
06:58<simplechat>and it becomes unresponcive to keypresses until i reboot it
06:58<locklace>simplechat: are you running X? what kernel version?
06:58<simplechat>no X
06:59<simplechat>this is straight etch
06:59<locklace>simplechat: what hardware? processor type? kind and amount of memory? what applications and services are running? what kind of networking?
06:59<jm_>simplechat: do keyboard leds blink when this happens?
06:59<simplechat>and they arn't responcive to caps lock/scroll lock/etc
06:59<simplechat>locklace, AMD semptron 3200+
07:00<jm_>anything on console?
07:00<simplechat>its running 2.6.18-6-486
07:00<simplechat>just the usual login msg
07:00<simplechat>512 meg of ram
07:00<locklace>simplechat: have you tested your ram?
07:01<simplechat>locklace, not recently
07:01<simplechat>what would i test it with?
07:01<jm_>sounds like hardware or some bad driver
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07:01<jm_>debian has memtest86 which adds itself to boot loader
07:02<jm_>so it's very convenient to use
07:02<locklace>yes, first test your memory and do anything else you can to verify your hardware; if it still happens, consider moving to a newer kernel
07:03<simplechat>jm_, its not on my bootloader
07:03<simplechat>yeah, i would
07:04<jm_>simplechat: uhm did you install it?
07:04<locklace>did you install it
07:04<simplechat>my question is can i keep my raid array safe for an upgrade?
07:04<simplechat>jm_, a long long time ago
07:04<simplechat>like 6 months?
07:04<jm_>simplechat: well then install a new version
07:04<locklace>you installed memtest six months ago?
07:04<simplechat>jm_, can i keep my raid array safe for an upgrade
07:04<simplechat>locklace, ?
07:04<jm_>simplechat: why wouldn't it be safe?
07:04<simplechat>never installed memtest, i installed etch 6mo ago
07:04<simplechat>jm_, in case of it being overwritten or something similar?
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07:05<jm_>simplechat: what would overwrite it?
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07:05<locklace>simplechat: aptitude install memtest86+
07:05<simplechat>installer error maybe?
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07:05<simplechat>locklace, reboot?
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07:05<locklace>assuming it fixed your bootloader
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07:10<simplechat>from now on i'm colour coding my ssh windows
07:12<simplechat>and it didn't add itself to the boot loader
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07:13<jm_>it does if you're using grub2
07:14<locklace>who's using grub2 besides jm_ ;)
07:17<locklace>what is the status of grub2? i thought it was still in alpha/beta stage
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07:18<simplechat>so locklace what do i do?
07:19<locklace>the easiest way might be to make a bootable disk
07:19<locklace>i think that package has some helper scripts for doing that
07:19<jm_>simplechat: just add it to your bootloader menu by hand
07:20<simplechat>i have no idea how to do that
07:20<jm_>with an editor
07:20<locklace>what is your bootloader?
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07:23<jm_>copy kernel entry, remove initrd line, change filename, that's about it
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07:40<ootput>simplechat: why do you need grub2?
07:41<simplechat>i don't
07:41<simplechat>apaprently i need memtest86
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07:42<debam>hi to all, i am having totem installed in my system.but .DAt file is not running ?
07:42<jm_>simplechat: /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/examples/grub-menu.lst
07:43<ml|>simplechat: did you install memtest86+?
07:44<debam>error shows as The playback of this movie requires a VCD protocol source plugin which is not installed.
07:44<ml|>ok do update-grub
07:45<simplechat>got it :)
07:45<ml|>simplechat: then edit menu.lst and uncomment memtest86=true
07:46<ml|>you can also rename it to memtest86+=true
07:46<simplechat>its got memtest86 now :)
07:46<simplechat>now running
07:47<ml|>doing this on another machine?
07:47<debam>jm_: i am getting problem in playing .DAT error shows as The playback of this movie requires a VCD protocol source plugin which is not installed.
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07:48<unixluser>debam: use vcdtools to extract mpeg from dat and play that instead
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07:49<debam>unixluser, even i am not able to copy .dat from vcd to my system
07:50<debam>unixluser, .dat file format is detected as text format
07:50<jm_>debam: mplayer can be used to play VCD movies
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07:50<enouf>tried tovid ?
07:51<unixluser>debam: what's detecting it as text format?
07:51<debam>jm_ : mplayer also not playing windows it showing 1 single file but in debian same is shown in 4 files
07:51<jm_>debam: you need to use the right syntax
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07:52<Aleric>I'm getting harddisk errors.... how can I enter safely a state in which I can run badblocks? :) Only with a rescue disk right?
07:52<locklace>Aleric: yep
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07:52<enouf>Aleric: what errors?
07:52<jm_>Aleric: no, badblocks runs read-only test by default
07:52<jm_>so you can just run it if it's installed
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07:53<debam>unixluser, avseq01.dat this files properties->type shows as text format
07:53<Aleric>Actually, I want to first make a backup.. can I change the harddisk (all partitions) to read-only?
07:53<enouf>judd versions gddrescue
07:53<judd>enouf: gddrescue -- etch: 1.2-1 lenny: 1.2-1.3 sid: 1.2-1.3 squeeze: 1.2-1.3
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07:53<unixluser>debam: whatever filemanager your using doesn't know of the extension
07:53<enouf>yes .. you can mount ro
07:53<locklace>Aleric: you can go to single-user mode and remount / ro, or use a rescue disk
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07:54<unixluser>debam: again, use vcdtools
07:54<Aleric>I went to single-user mode... but when I checked, apache and exim4 etc are still running.. they write to disk no?
07:54<locklace>Aleric: kill them ;)
07:54<debam>unixluser, but same file in mint runs with mplayer without using vcdtools or any other setting
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07:55<Aleric>It's not clear what all I should kill before I can go safely to read-only
07:55<jm_>it's better to boot with a rescue medium
07:55<unixluser>debam: figure out which codecs is available to Mint
07:55<unixluser>Mint is not debian
07:55<unixluser>in fact it's anti-debian
07:55<enouf>Aleric: only init, udev, any dhcp, and one other should be running in single
07:55<unixluser>may as well lose the historical connection
07:55<debam>unixluser, yes but it is linux
07:56<Aleric>enouf: I did: telinit s
07:56<unixluser>debam: linux is the kernel
07:56<enouf>Aleric: if you chose recovery single from grub and entered root passwd
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07:57<enouf>instead of ctrl-D
07:57<enouf>Aleric: wrong
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07:57<Aleric>Ah ok.. I'll reboot and use grub to enter single user then.
07:57<unixluser>debam: find out which codecs are supported by mint
07:57<Aleric>It's my firewall :( .. so I won't have internet anymore
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07:58<debam>unixluser, i have installed vcdtools i got vcdmplex command what will be the next step to convert .DAT to in different format which is supported by debian
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07:58<jm_>even single user mode will cause disk writes
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07:59<enouf>not if "mount -o remount,ro /"
08:00<jm_>what about superblock?
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08:00<enouf>what about them/it?
08:01<jm_>it needs to be updated at umount time no?
08:01<enouf>he should actually have "net" though
08:01<jm_>yeah in debian single user mode enables networking
08:01<jm_>but what if he needs ppp etc.
08:02<enouf>no idea - said something about firepoop
08:02<unixluser>i had that yesterday
08:02<unixluser>wicked curry
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08:03<enouf>chernobyl wings will do it
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08:05<ootput>debam: what's the error message when you try to play the .dat file with mplayer?
08:06<esj>e "cya"
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08:11<unixluser>answer me u fkn nub
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08:34<Anonissimus>I have an intrudor on my debian box, any suggestions how to get rid of him, check the system and how to prevent it from happening in the future?
08:35<azeem>cut off the network
08:35<azeem>then run chkrootkit or what's it called
08:36<Anonissimus>can't cut it off, it's a virtual server I rent
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08:40<SlimeyPete>Anonissimus: pkill -u username
08:40<SlimeyPete>then deluser and chkrootkit
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08:42<Anonissimus>there are like 20 usernames
08:43<petemc>so do it 20 times
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08:43<petemc>no matter what you do now (short of reinstalling from known good media) you're never going to be 100% sure you've removed anything nefarious
08:44<Anonissimus>then nuking it is
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08:48<Jeffro>Is the topic title correct?
08:49<Jeffro>it says 4.0r7 but isn't lenny 5.0?
08:49<petemc>as a rule, yes
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08:49<SlimeyPete>4.0r7 is etch
08:49<petemc>lenny is 5.0, etch is 4
08:49<SlimeyPete>4.0r7 released /msg dpkg etch
08:49<mjt>anyone know why gnome file manager & desktop (nautilus?) does not show pictures on a remote (nfs) directories, displaying them as icons only, while local pictures are shown as thumbnails?
08:49<mjt>SlimeyPete: well, 4.0r7 is also released, not only 5.0 :)
08:49<Jeffro>I should update more frequently.
08:50<Jeffro>I'm still runing 3.1
08:50<Jeffro>I'm about to burn 5.0 now and do a fresh install.
08:50<SlimeyPete>mjt: indeed
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08:50<Jeffro>I also read somewhere that tlc is included by default now, is that true?
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08:51<mjt>what's tlc?
08:51<dpkg>tlc is, like, Tender Loving Care
08:51<petemc>lots of tlc in debian
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08:52<Jeffro>Its some sort of library required for eggdrop.
08:52<EmleyMoor>Oh, tcl
08:52<petemc>you can install tcl
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08:53<Jeffro>I messed the letters up xD
08:53<petemc>aptitude install eggdrop
08:53<Jeffro>Well, I hope its in apt-get this time.
08:53<petemc>will get all you need
08:53<petemc>debian has always had tcl
08:53<Jeffro>Is that the latest eggdrop? :D
08:53<Jeffro>3.1 doesnt have tcl
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08:53<petemc>fsvo always
08:53<petemc>Jeffro: sure it did
08:54<Jeffro>Well eggdrop told me it hadn't
08:54<ZhangHuangbin>Does anybody has the same error on apache2 + ssl on Lenny?
08:54<ZhangHuangbin>SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.
08:54<Jeffro>When I tried to build it from the source
08:54<EmleyMoor>tcl was available back to at least 2.2
08:54<petemc>you wanted tcl-dev
08:56<ZhangHuangbin>how did you solve this issue? :P
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09:01<ZhangHuangbin>Does anybody has the same error on apache2 + ssl on Lenny?
09:01<ZhangHuangbin>SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.
09:02<Anonissimus>oh great
09:02<Anonissimus>I can't even do a reboot
09:02<Anonissimus>that's how messed up this machine is
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09:03<Anonissimus>Anonissimus: look at AN527
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09:03<Anonissimus>"LCD Controller Replacement"
09:03<Anonissimus>hmm ok not that one
09:03<Anonissimus>I get timeout on /dev/initctl
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09:19<dpkg>well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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09:19<dpkg>Hi, ml|!
09:20<timo>my flash player doesnt play sound on youtube for example -- why
09:20<jm_>can you play two sounds at the same time on your system?
09:21<timo>i cant..
09:21<jm_>I think that may be it
09:22<jm_>as an option perhaps try using aoss wrapper for iceweasel if that's your browser
09:22<timo>i tested the OSS and hda intel configuration
09:23<timo>i using firefox with adobe flash player
09:23<ml|>how about playing flash video with no other sounds
09:24<ml|>get sound then
09:24<jm_>yeah you can set it in ~/.mozilla/firefox/rc (the DSP wrapper), but I have to go now
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09:25<timo>i think i just need a supported driver
09:25<timo>damn sound problems i got them with mint , too
09:26<ml|>hmm, hardware issue maybe?
09:26<mjt>if it works for at least one app it's not hw issue ;)
09:27<ml|>oh by your last statement sound it like you had no sound
09:27<mjt>me i do have sound ;)
09:28<mjt>but i don't have pictures-as-thumbnails if in a remote directory.
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09:35<Jeffro>whats the big difference between aptitude and apt-get?
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09:35<simonrvn>1 character
09:35<Jeffro>So it doesnt mather much which one I use.
09:36<Jeffro>I'm used to apt-get :)
09:36<simonrvn>there is. was kidding
09:36<locklace>!why aptitude
09:36<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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09:36<Jeffro>Ah ok
09:36<Jeffro>How can I search through aptitude.
09:36<simonrvn>aptitude generaly does a beter job at dep handling, does searches, and plays minsweeper
09:36<Jeffro>I don't like the interface :)
09:37<Jeffro>I like using commandline commands.
09:37<simonrvn>does that too
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09:37<Jeffro>so whats apt-cache search in aptitude then?
09:37<SlimeyPete>aptitude search
09:37<Jeffro>Ah ok :) ty.
09:37<ml|>aptitude ftw :)
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09:38<Jeffro>openssh server ftw? :D
09:38<simonrvn>bad typing is what i get for eating a cherry turnover while typing
09:39<Jeffro>I just need to enable ssh access so I can stop switching keyboard.
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09:43<Jeffro>Hmm another question: is screen the best way to make programs run on the background like daemons? :)
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09:44<ga_bash>Jeffro, screen is just a multiplexer for a terminal.
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09:45<Jeffro>Because I want to be running eggdrop as a daemon.
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09:46<simonrvn>nohup eggdrop & or run it from a script in a cron job, or make an init script for it, being careful to run as non-root with s-s-d, or some other way.
09:46<Jeffro>ok ty :)
09:47<dpkg>i guess ssd is (Solid State Disk) The D in SSD is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems.
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09:48<simonrvn>!s-s-d is <reply>start-stop-daemon - don't leave /etc/init.d without it. man start-stop-daemon . it's commonly used to start a process from an init script, in Debian.
09:48<dpkg>simonrvn: okay
09:48<simonrvn>edit as needed ;)
09:48<Jeffro>Umm where does aptitude install eggdrop.
09:49<Jeffro>I read here that I need the bot in a new directory if I wanna make more bots.
09:49<Kvant>find out with: dpkg -L eggdrop
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09:49<simonrvn>Jeffro: yes
09:49<simonrvn>it's also a good idea to make a user for it
09:49<Jeffro>Sorry <- not experienced with eggdrop xD
09:50<Jeffro>All explination pages tell how to run it from source.
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09:51<simonrvn>your user is ok too, but you might get issues with identifying to irc services, or process limits. as long as it's running unpriveleged, no problem.
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09:51<Jeffro>It will primarily be a simple bot to respond to commands like .ndss
09:51<Jeffro>to get some statistics from a webpage and that stuff :)
09:52<simonrvn>yes, and simple stuff is how a malicious asshole can crack your box. better safe than sorry. ;)
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09:53<dpkg>methinks users is Mithrandi
09:53<Jeffro>I haven't made new users in a long time.
09:53<dpkg>somebody said adduser was a program that adds a user to the system.
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09:53<simonrvn>debian's adduser r0x
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09:54<simonrvn>ok, i think this is where my head hits the keyboard, asleep.
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09:58<timo>i cANT fix the sound problem.. i stilll dont have sound in adobe flash player
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09:58<azeem>timo: are you using pulseaudio?
09:59<timo>i think so
09:59<azeem>flash's sound support is buggy and does not work very well with pulseaudio
09:59<azeem>I think
10:00<timo>ok what should i do
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10:00<azeem>timo: did you try using libswfdec?
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10:03<timo> libswfdec-0-8-0.dbg is now installed and now
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10:04<azeem>try swfdec-mozilla and maybe swfdec-gnome
10:04<timo>which version do i need
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10:04<azeem>timo: that will replace your flash with an Open-Source implementation though
10:05<azeem>maybe you prefer to remove pulseaudio instead
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10:08<timo>now my screen gets frozen when i want to press the play button
10:08<Jeffro>How many damn things do I need to edit in the config file O_O
10:08<Jeffro>It keeps telling to me to configure it completely, and I did O_O
10:09<timo>uninstall pulse audio?
10:10<timo>i think i lost my sound in flash players after installing vlc
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10:12<pasoev>Hi ... I installed envy on my debian, but it doesn`t work, which version and how have I to install?
10:13<pasoev>or, if you know another way to install driver for NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]
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10:14<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
10:15<timo>hey azeem i still dont have sound
10:16<pasoev>dpkg: ok, thanks
10:16<dpkg>pasoev: OMGNPLOLS
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10:20<ml|>pasoev: /msg dpkg dpkgbot
10:20<pasoev>it`s too complicated to install, I can`t :( i know only using envy
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10:20<corge>anyone mind helping me troubleshoot a repository speed issue
10:20<ml|>pasoev: it is not that diffuclt just follow the steps
10:21<jthomas>Can anyone tell me what I need installed to view the homes on this webpage? I had it working a week ago with Sid but I have since reinstalled and I cannot get the houses to appear on the map
10:21<ml|>!tell corge -about ask
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10:22<pasoev>can I ask anyone for remote assistance? I can`t install
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10:23<jthomas>Iceweasel would be best but I would be happy if I can get it working in Konqueror as well. I have jsquery, sun-java6-jre, and javascript-common installed...
10:23<jthomas>pasoev can't install what?
10:24<pasoev>nvidia driver
10:24<corge>i just recently installed lenny to setup for network monitoring....everytime i connect to a repository (i've tried three), i get fast speeds at first and then just slows to a crawl. I can access the internet through firefox just fine and speeds are great. I thought at first Websense was slowing me down because of protocol analyzing, but I shut off websense all together and still have the same issues.
10:24<ml|>jthomas: you have flash
10:24<jthomas>ml| I do have flash, yes
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10:24<ml|>I see a map when I go to that page
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10:24<jthomas>corge does your ISP throttle you after X amount of time? a coworker had that
10:25<corge>not at all. we have 6mb up/down with no speed limitation except what the wire can push
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10:25<jthomas>ml| yes; if you enter search criteria you should get small icons of houses for sale. like i said, it worked a week ago but not with my new install, and I've gone through my old package list and nothig I see in that list would help that I can tell
10:26<corge>i've tried xmission mirrors, and then whatever the "best server" option chose
10:26<pasoev>which envy version is valid for lenny?
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10:27<corge>i also tried it yesterday afternoon, late last night, and right now....and I know last night there was minimal traffic on our network
10:27<jthomas>corge does a run of 'mtr' show any bad hops?
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10:29<jthomas>ml| do you get houses when you add some criteria?
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10:29<ml|>jthomas: give me a serch criteria
10:30<corge>one hop of 189ms, the rest are all <50
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10:30<jthomas>price 200000 - 215000 and 1bed 1 bath
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10:31<corge>any ideas?
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10:32<ml|>jthomas: I get a number of properties found
10:32<jthomas>but houses on the map?
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10:33<corge>right now i'm retrieving mysql-server-5 from at 2.6k/s
10:33<ml|>jthomas: just see a map
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10:33<jthomas>exactly; there should be houses and it worked before my reinstall, so I am wondering what I am missing
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10:34<ml|>so after I place those numbers I should see houses drawn on the map?
10:35<jthomas>corge i don't know maan, sorry... i think there is an app that auto-picks the fastest mirror but i don't know its name
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10:35<jthomas>ml| yes, there should be some houses etc (you may need to zoom into the city some to get a lot but there should be something even when zoomed out)
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10:43<ml|>jthomas: I see square boxes with numbers is that waht you mean?
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10:44<ml|>but need to zoom in to see that
10:44<jthomas>on the map? are they red or pink in colour? or even green? then yeah that is it, I think. i don't get those, even when I zoom in.
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10:46<ml|>jthomas: <--- that is what I see
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10:46<pasoev>Please, anyone help. How can I stop X Server?
10:47<pasoev>I need to stop it, because I am installing nvidia driver
10:47<jthomas>ml| no there hould be houses, like little monopoly-looking houses
10:47<jthomas>pasoev [ctrl][alt][f1] to get to a TTY; log in; become root; run '/etc/init.d/x11-common stop'
10:48<jthomas>ml| although toy may want to get to a busier city, but i don't think its working for you either :(
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10:50<ml|>jthomas: I don't know then, I mustbe missing something or maybe they changed the site?
10:51<jthomas>the same day that I reinstalled? on a weekend? maybe... i think its my setup but perhaps so. it looks identical.
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10:51<ml|>well maybe since we aren same distro etc
10:51<pasoev>"/etc/init.d/x11-common stop" not found :(
10:52<ml|>jthomas: let me try on a different comp that runs OS X
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10:54<jthomas>pasoev try with tab completion; type /etc/init.d/x[tab][tab] where [tab] is your tab key; the path should complete and then add the word 'stop' at the end.
10:54<jthomas>wait you didn't type the quotes did you? don't.
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10:55<jthomas>ml| someone on Freenode #firefox said it works fine for his default Ubuntu Jaunty setup
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10:57<jthomas>ml| here is his installed package list
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10:57<lazarus>where do bootload images go in ubuntu
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10:58<locklace>lazarus: didn't your parents ever teach you that
10:58<jthomas>in #ubuntu on maybe? ;)
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10:59<lazarus>sadley no
11:00<bja>!tell lazarus about ubuntu
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11:02<lazarus>bja, cheers
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11:02<corge>any other suggestions on the repository slowness issues?
11:02<petemc>try another mirror or get a faster internet connection
11:02<bja>lazarus: cheers
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11:02<jthomas>corge can you test to make sure its not just a repo thing? maybe try d/l a large .iso image ?
11:03<corge>petemc: i have tried multiple repositories, i am on a 6mb up/down internet connection
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11:04<petemc>corge: generally theres nothing to configure. which part is slow?
11:04<corge>i'm downloading a cd image from debians website at 425k and then dropped to 2.8k or so.
11:05<corge>lemme see if i can download a cdimage from somewhere else
11:05<bja>corge: Are you the only soul on that connection?
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11:06<corge>i'm getting fedora straight from their website using wget at 685
11:06<sney>torrenting linux isos is usually blisteringly fast
11:06<InkBottle>HI, where the .bashrc I have in my home comes from? Is there something that generates it?
11:07<corge>bja, no i'm not, but i should have most of the bandwidth, downloading the fedora image should prove that
11:07<corge>fedora still coming in at almost 700K, debian cd image coming in at 2.4K
11:07<petemc>InkBottle: grep bashrc /var/lib/dpkg/info/*
11:08<corge>that says to me that my bandwidth is fine, my network cards and switches are fine....something with the repository speeds?
11:08<petemc>works fine for me, did you try another mirror?
11:09<corge>yes, i have, i've used, and then did the select best server in synaptic
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11:09<corge>all produce the same results
11:10<bja>corge: The same results meaning the same servers?
11:10<corge>same slow downloads from all repos
11:10<corge>its taking me two hours or so just to download mysql 5
11:10<corge>if i get the gz file from the mysql website, i get it in a few seconds, but through repositories, its slower than hell
11:11<petemc>is debian inside a virtualized environment or anything?
11:11<corge>no, running on a dell 1855 blade server
11:11<petemc>corge: can you wget the fedora iso on debian at a sustained speed?
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11:12<bja>corge: running anything through an anonymity service?
11:12<corge>yeah, thats what i was doing a moment ago, right from the fedora site.....did 700K sustained or so up to 20% when I cancelled the download
11:12<corge>no, not running through any sort of proxy
11:12<corge>i suspected yesterday it might be websense, but i took websense offline and removed the commands from the router to redirect through websense
11:13<locklace>corge: try ftp
11:13<wnd>InkBottle, most likely from /etc/skel/.bashrc, which in turn comes from bash (dpkg -S /etc/skel/.bashrc)
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11:14<corge>i have, i've tried ftp and http
11:14<corge>same thing
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11:15<locklace>corge: have you tried ftp from a mirror in another part of the world?
11:15<corge>no, just within the US
11:15<InkBottle>wnd: might be that
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11:16<locklace>corge: try that for a couple of mirrors in other geographic locations
11:16<ml|>jthomas: wonder what we are missing for the site to work correctly, works fine in OS X puter
11:17<InkBottle>wnd: from 'adduser', I see. Might be that
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11:18<ml|>jthomas: maybe someone else can try from here?
11:18<InkBottle>wnd: no, from bash.list and bash.conffiles
11:18<jthomas>yeah i don't know. can anyone load and put in search criteria (200000 - 215000 and 1 bed, 1 bath) and then zoom into a city and see monopoly houses on the map? I can do it all but the houses don't show on the map.
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11:21<InkBottle>wnd: because I've a line like this: LS_COLOR=$(echo $LS_COLORS|sed 's/=0./=00/g')
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11:22<InkBottle>wnd: and I'm really wondering who have put that there
11:22<bja>corge: There are ways to check where is the bottle neck on your transmission, try using one.
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11:23<Aleric>I have upgraded my system (perhaps that is the reason, it was upgraded a while ago)... anyway... I had /dev/hda mounted, and now when I reboot it (I didn't reboot after the last upgrade) it hangs during boot at "Waiting for the root filesystem...". Just before that it prints the partition table and that is all hde* !
11:23<wnd>InkBottle, its origins could be in an older version of bash package
11:23<ml|>jthomas: the houses do look like monopoly house's heh ;)
11:23<Aleric>No idea what to do now ... it just hangs there :/
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11:24<InkBottle>wnd: and the result is that when I do ls, I've got my term all melted
11:24<Aleric>(note the difference between hda and hde)
11:24<InkBottle>wnd: probably, the date is 2007
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11:25<InkBottle>wnd: would you say I could copy the one of /etc/skel/.bashrc?
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11:25<jthomas>xente yes? can you see the houses on that map?
11:26<xente>jthomas: no...where are you from?
11:26<jthomas>minneapolis mn usa; you?
11:26<xente>ut, usa...just wondering if you were someone else
11:26<jthomas>nope, i am me :)
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11:28<InkBottle>wnd: it will be fine, thank you :)
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11:30<wnd>InkBottle, as long as you take care of your own changes to .bashrc, using the one in /etc/skel should be fine. after all it is something new users get by default.
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11:31*Aleric notes that it is hard to recover when your firewall harddisk starts to show errors, doesn't want to reboot at all (no internet), when you have no rescue disk, when your other PC doesn't want to connect to internet because the MAC address of the ethernet card is different and you don't know what MAC to use, while that MAC is on the damaged harddisk, but when if you put that harddisk in the other PC... the shuts off because the powersupply is ov
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11:31<InkBottle>wnd: perferct
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11:31<diego>hello there, I need to create a very restricter user
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11:31<diego>I need a bash user with permission to read the home and execute just one program
11:31<Aleric>s/the shuts/it shuts/
11:32<mjt>diego: see restricted bash mode
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11:32<mjt>diego: alternatively you can make that program to be his shell
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11:33<djc>note that if 'that program', whatever it is, offers the ability to either run a shell, or execute arbitary commands, there wont be anything stopping the user from changing their shell
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11:34<djc>you might get better advice if you specified what that one program is
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11:35*djc remembers using a locked-down inventory/job order system at an employer once, and finding something that piped a report to a pager (like 'less'), that allowed executing an arbitrary command, and using it to rename the shell startup fie that force my login into that program. then log out, and back in, and wide open shell
11:36*OdyX suggests reading the sudoers manpage
11:36<djc>there was even full Internet access. I could ssh to my machine and run pine. Some other employees were quite amazed
11:36<djc>he didnt say 'only one pgoram as root', he said 'only one program at all'
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11:37<diego>can you help me a bit more with that :) ? I should change /etc/passwd to be /bin/bash -r ?
11:37<OdyX>djc: as far as I understand sudo, you can use it for non-root things too
11:37<djc>what is the 'one program' that you want the user to be able to run?
11:37<djc>yes but I dont think its going to prevent the user from executing normal commands as their own uid
11:37<djc>This is in X?
11:38<djc>Thats a horse of a different color
11:38<diego>yes, I want him to be able to ssh -X
11:38<wnd>ssh with pub/priv-key authentication can also be used (in a way) to create users that are only allowed to run certain commands
11:38<djc>Oh.. and run Vbox remotely?
11:38<diego>and use a VirtualBox in this computer ... this computer has many virtual machines
11:38<diego>testing vm
11:38<diego>so, I have many images here
11:38<djc>You want him to be able to *start* virtualboxes?
11:38<diego>and want people use then
11:38<djc>or only access an existing one that is already running?
11:39<diego>I want him to be able to start VirtualBox
11:39<diego>and use an image in my disk
11:39<djc>If the virtual machine is going to be running all the time normally, they dont need a shell login at all.. Just use vdrp (remote desktop)
11:39<diego>so he does not use the vdi over the network or copy it every time
11:39<ml|>jthomas: if you figure it out please lmk
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11:39<djc>If he can run the 'VirtualBox' program he can not only start an existing vm he can also create new ones
11:40<diego>thats fine, I dont care if he creates a vm
11:40<jthomas>ml| i will do
11:40<diego>I just dont want people to run whatever ... as they could read / run keyloggers
11:40<diego>or things like that
11:40<djc>if this is all going to be via ssh I'd look into using ssh to prevent interactive login, and only allow vbos to be started
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11:41<djc>unless they have root access they wont be able to do that
11:41<corge>ok, found my issue...i'm bottoming out on repository
11:41<djc>*nix is a bit more secure than that
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11:42<bja>diego: hope you found your stuff, but I think you are asking for birds when you are looking for seeds :)
11:42<djc>in fact the entire original purpose of *nix based machines was multiple users at a time
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11:42<djc>all logged in remotely or from serial terminals
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11:42<stuckey>Does this page load for anyone?
11:42<djc>each with their own account, each given access only to their own files and resources
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11:43<stuckey>Sorry, didn't know the url was so long.
11:43<djc>can you get to directly?
11:43<stuckey>djc: yes
11:43<djc>If so, and if you cant get to that page, then the problem is internal to newegg
11:43<stuckey>djc: you haven't considered all possibilities.
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11:43<stuckey>djc: I'm asking if the flash animation works for anyone...
11:43<stuckey>djc: because it's strange, sometimes it works for me and sometimes itdoesn't.
11:44<stuckey>djc: i'm using stable naturally
11:44<djc>'does this page load', and 'does the flash work on this page' are entirely different questions
11:44<petemc>if the page is nothing but a flash animation they're not
11:44<stuckey>djc: the page only contains flash...
11:45<djc>page loads fine for me. and while there is the little "F" that tells me theres flash on that page is there, there is also a some html at the top and bottom
11:45<stuckey>So the flash animation works or no?
11:46<djc>and if I tell it to load the flash, it works.. note that I am using the adobe plugin, not the FS one
11:46<stuckey>djc: oh... okay i'm not using adobe.
11:46<djc>petemc pages which contain only flash do not exist
11:46<stuckey>djc: Can't you be a little more generous to the argument?
11:47<djc>That was said tongue-in-cheek for those that couldnt tell
11:47<djc>I consider all-flash sites to be thoroughly useless
11:47<stuckey>I as well
11:47<stuckey>To hell with flash.
11:47<djc>And I see the entire point of it was to let you pan and zoom a photo
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11:48<djc>amazingly, google manages to let yu do the same thing without needing flash
11:48<stuckey>djc: I'd rather of just had a large photo.
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11:56<Aleric>Can I use the netinst image as rescue image?
11:56<dpkg>from memory, rescue is at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") Ask me about <rescue mode>.
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11:59<diego>hey again, I put rbash as the bash for a user, but I can ssh as him and then execute bash (so its useless) lol
12:00<bja>diego: I'm quite lost with your problem, what are do you need to do?
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12:00<Aleric>petemc: an d-i includes the netinst image?
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12:01<diego>bja: I want to restrict users the most I can
12:01<petemc>d-i is the debian installer, so sure...
12:01<ml|>Aleric: you can also download one of the live images ...
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12:02<diego>and I was wondering why rbash lets you execute bash hehe
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12:02<bja>diego: They'll need to do something if they are to be logged? what is that they have to do?
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12:04<bja>diego: You can allways use speciall purpuse keys for each user, letting them execute only one certain command, but then again it depends on what they are supposed to do on your server. I suppose they have to work there? :)
12:06<Aleric>What do I need to write the .iso to a CD? (command line?) ... I'm rather limited at the moment :p
12:07<locklace>Aleric: wodim/cdrecord
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12:07<diego>hehehe , yes, I just want them to be able to execute some programs I dont want to install in all computers
12:07<Aleric>I have to disconnect internet to connect this machine to another that can write to a CD... copy the .iso via LAN to that machine, and then burn it... man I hate not having internet :/
12:07<diego>like VirtualBox, some programming enviroments
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12:07<diego>and other heavy programs
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12:08<diego>I have a list , and the thing is that , of course, if you execute a program, that program could have child processes .. so , I have a list of directories actually
12:08<bja>diego: Your aproach is different, why don't you put an nfs server with all the aplications you need there and you only let them mount that special purposee dir
12:09<djc>diego, you dont need to prevent them from running any other programs to keep your system secure. 'keyloggers' arent going to run except if they have root access
12:09<djc>and you dont need to do anything with rbash or bash -r.
12:09<bja>You get rid of logging to a server you don't want them on.
12:10<djc>The best solution is to use ssh to prevent interactive login, and only allow them to run Vbox. man sshd, man sshd_config
12:10<djc>alternatively set *VirtualBox* *AS* their shell instead of bash
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12:10<djc>if they ssh in with no X, it will of course just bomb out
12:11<djc>But really, you are worried about a problem that doesnt exist.
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12:11<djc>the normal security functions of *nix itself will prevent them from accessing any files or data that arent eitehr their own or 'public'
12:12<djc>including whatever you might be typing on the keyboard
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12:13<djc>bja, he wants to let external users run virtualbox, not cli stuff
12:13<djc>Aleric, you dont have a hub or switch?
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12:17<djc>Why do I get the feeling that diego is only looking at his IRC window when he is typing
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12:17<djc>and when he comes back he isnt looking up for responses
12:19<abl>I'm looking at setting up a gpg key server for a small group. For political reasons, some in the group don't want their key on public servers.
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12:20<abl>Any pointers on where to look for setting up authenticated only access?
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12:20<ml|>lol weasel you ok
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12:21<weasel>that was my expert opinion on the matter of keyservers
12:21<djc>what possible downside is there to publishing ones *public* key?
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12:21<ml|>oh lol
12:21<djc>and why do you need a special keyserver anyway.. how many people are we talking, anyway?
12:22<abl>the perceived downside includes spam since the address is then "published" in a mineable format
12:22<djc>you couldnt just have everyone generate a key, bring it to a group meeting on a usb key, and have everyone exchange keys in person?
12:22<abl>the group would probably be less than 100
12:22<djc>so dont put it in a minable format
12:22<abl>but they are spread around the world
12:23<djc>or just put the keys on a private webserver
12:23<abl>The group is too geographically spread out to meet in person
12:23<djc>if its a shared email system (eg everyone using the same domain), then leave out the domain part in the key id
12:24<abl>a key server makes it easy for gpg --refresh-keys to get updates
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12:24<bja>djc: I believe that if you put a speccial dsa key that only runs the virtualmachine with a specific command line and you do X11 forwarding, you wouldn't need nobody to log in (I see nfs was out of the question)
12:24<weasel>abl: setup an ldap keyserver.
12:24<weasel>not sure how you would deal with it being updated, but you can probably build something
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12:25<djc>bja, yes, one can setup ssh to disallow interactive logins, and instead only permit executing a specific app
12:25<djc>but diego seems to have wandered away from the keyboard
12:25<djc>and probably missed my mentioning that
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12:25<djc>abl, so setup a keyserver?
12:25<bja>djc: I'm sure on that one
12:26<djc>his primary worry about allowing a normal shell login was that such users might run 'keyloggers'
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12:27<djc><diego> I just dont want people to run whatever ... as they could read / run keyloggers
12:27<djc><diego> or things like that
12:27<abl>djc: that's why I'm leaning towards a keyserver of some type.
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12:27<tghy>Hello all!
12:27<djc>Yeah? whats so good about it?
12:28<djc>Oh.. wait.. You didnt say "Good Morning". Nevermind
12:28<djc>It also isnt morning
12:28<djc>Well, I suppose it might be where you are
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12:29<tghy>Please rate the design of my page
12:29<djc>it sucks
12:29<abl>weasel: do you know if gpg handles authentication to ldap servers properly?
12:29<djc>hey you didnt ask for a fair rating
12:29<weasel>abl: I'd be surprised if it did, but at least you can handle access to that by some other means
12:29<djc>abl, what was your original question again?
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12:30<abl>djc: basically authenticated access to a key server for gpg keys
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12:31<ml|>tghy: background is not continuous here on widescreen lcd
12:31<djc>well ive never run a keyserver.. and the only ones I remember were accessed via email
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12:32<tghy>mlj: the wide of background pictuge is 1197 px
12:34<djc>abl, have you tried installing one or more from the repo to see if they do what you need?
12:34<tghy>ml|: What wide of widescreen LCD?
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12:36<ml|>tghy: 1920x1200
12:36<abl>djc: started going through that. onak looked good but because of a problem with libdb4.6 the database gets wedged very quickly. (bug is already documented)
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12:39<tghy>ml|: Check now
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12:39<tghy>ml|: Design is not completely stupid?
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12:40<ml|>tghy: background is fine, as for design dunno looks fine to me
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12:43<adama>tghy: the blocks for each message are too tall and narrow and spaced too far apart - too much scrolling - and scrolling is painful on a fixed background
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12:53<bja>Does anyone know if dpkg-reconfigure works with sendmail?
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13:02<djc>why wouldnt it? more importanly, why one earth would anyone that wasnt already a sendmail hacker try to run sendmail?
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13:03<djc>and if one was already a sendmail hacker, one would probably die before letting anything tamper with his carefully hand-crafted ;)
13:04<djc>(disclaimer: I am not a sendmail hacker, and never consider installaing or running sendmail on anything I owned)
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13:05<ant_>anyone know a "safe" way to kill a vserver guest that doest respond to vserver ... stop ?
13:05<chealer>because your teacher wants you to know sendmail? *shrug*
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13:10<aa_>anyone know how to configure the user name of the clients in a debian server with XP clients
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13:13<bja>djc: the usual this app will only work whith sendmail stuff je je je
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13:16<djc>bja eh? most mta's provide a '/usr/sbin/sendmail' that apps can execute just like it was sendmail
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13:16<djc>most of the accept and understand the majority of standard sendmail switches and arugments
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13:17<chealer>aa_: what kind of server?
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13:20<bja>djc: As a matter of fact postfix "It is a drop in replacement for sendmail" isn't it true?
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13:22<locklace>bja: yes
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13:39<beer>what is the plan for squeeze and kde ?
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13:41<dpkg>it has been said that plan is Lancelot, Galahad, and I leap out of the rabbit, taking the french not only by supprise, but completely unarmed!
13:42<dpkg>they are tough little bastards
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13:44<dr|z3d>!dead rabbits
13:45<pds>I love rabbits. You have any good recipes?
13:45*dr|z3d suspects he may be lagged to the tune of a minute or two.
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13:45<dr|z3d>Rabbit, port and stilton soup?
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13:49<aa_>anyone know how to configure the user name of the clients in a debian server with XP clients
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13:51<dpkg>hello, ml|
13:51<red_eyes>Is it possible that Debian can't support my sound card?
13:51<locklace>anything's possible
13:51<red_eyes>And can you find me a driver if so? Please?
13:52<red_eyes>or there is nothing that can be done?
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13:52<ml|>more info would help
13:52<locklace>red_eyes: what is your kernel version? what is your sound chipset? what does "dmesg|egrep -i 'sound|audio'" and "lsmod|grep snd" say?
13:52<ml|>!tell red_eyes -about ask
13:52<red_eyes>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
13:52<locklace>red_eyes: are you using alsa? have you looked at the mixer settings?
13:53<cahoot>red_eyes: cat /proc/asound/cards
13:53<red_eyes>locklace: alsamixer levels are fine
13:53<red_eyes>I have debian kde
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13:53<red_eyes>I have sound actually
13:53<red_eyes>but the volume is too low
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13:53<red_eyes>my phone has higher volume
13:53<ml|>mixer setting is my guess
13:54<red_eyes>alsamixer levels are high
13:54<red_eyes>I type alsamixer
13:54<red_eyes>and raise them
13:54<red_eyes>and I have a weird noise
13:54<pds>Is the sound probem on an Eee pc?
13:55<red_eyes> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
13:55<red_eyes> HDA Intel at 0x96600000 irq 22
13:55<ml|>I don't use kde, but does it have a separate mixer setting or sound setting
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13:55<red_eyes>dmesg|egrep -i 'sound|audio' doesn't say anything
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13:56<djc>I have almost the same soundcard.. worked out of the box with lenny.. only differnece is mine is "ICH7 Family"
13:56<djc>I cant imagine that much changed
13:56<djc>lsmod | grep snd
13:56<djc>ok.. snd_hda_intel.. sb right
13:57<cahoot>obviously alsa is loaded alright
13:57<djc>run 'alsamixer' from a terminal
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13:57<djc>make sure the volume controls are up high enough
13:57<pawel>is there anything for asking simple questions (yes/no) in text mode?
13:57<red_eyes>djc: They are high enough
13:57<djc>and what happens when you try to play sound?
13:57<djc>how are you testing?
13:58<red_eyes>djc: Sounds play. But the volume is low. and if I raise the volume controls more, I hear a noise. and my nokia E51 has more volume than my computer.
13:58<bja>red_eyes: are your speakes turned on?
13:58<djc>do the speakers have a volume control?
13:58<red_eyes>I have a laptop
13:59<djc>have you turned up both "pcm" and "master" ?
13:59<red_eyes>and by the way
13:59<red_eyes>I have speakers volume control in my laptop, but that doesn't work in debian
13:59<bja>red_eyes: have you tried earphones?
13:59<red_eyes>djc: How to turn them on?
13:59<djc>so weve gone from 'maybe it doesnt support my card', to 'sound plays but its not loud enough'
14:00<djc>run 'alsamixer' at a terminal window
14:00<bja>djc: How fast the world turns?
14:00<djc>check both the pcm and master levels
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14:00<djc>you might want to adjust them while you have something playing
14:00<red_eyes>pcm and master are on
14:00<djc>it isnt 'on/off'
14:00<djc>its a level
14:00<aa_>Hello Guys I am a newbie with debian and i have a question regarding Debian servers and winXP clients i hope someone can help, thanks
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14:01<djc>use the up and down arrow
14:01<red_eyes>pcm is 100
14:01<djc>aa_, I think someone asked you a followup question earlier, and you never answered
14:01<red_eyes>and master is 81
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14:01<locklace>red_eyes: did you kill the pcspkr module? what mixer settings do you have within alsamixer? have you tried muting settings other than master and pcm?
14:01<ml|>does kde have a separate mixer setting or sound setting you can try?
14:01<djc>what are you using to play music?
14:02<djc>are you certain that whatever you are playing is good?
14:02<red_eyes>I use noatun or banshee
14:02<djc>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
14:02<red_eyes>and youtube
14:02<locklace>the 'speaker-test -t wav' is all you need
14:02<djc>or that
14:03<red_eyes>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
14:03<red_eyes>and I hear the noise
14:03<locklace>hallelujah. he hears the noise
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14:04<djc>But do you feel it?
14:04<chealer>beer: ask #debian-kde
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14:05<red_eyes>Volume is low - does that mean it needs a driver or?
14:05<djc>if its playing sound, its driving your soundcard
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14:05<red_eyes>so the problem is in the controls
14:05<djc>unlinke windows 'drivers' in linux arent standalone files you download from random websites that might contain spyware
14:06<djc>they are mostly part of the kernel
14:06<locklace>red_eyes: just going to repeat myself again here since it seems everything requires two tries to take
14:06<locklace>red_eyes: did you kill the pcspkr module? what mixer settings do you have within alsamixer? have you tried muting settings other than master and pcm?
14:06<djc>or modules
14:06<djc>red_eyes, what locklace said
14:06<red_eyes>locklace: How to kill pcspkr?
14:07<locklace>red_eyes: lsmod|grep spkr and modprobe -r anything you see
14:07<locklace>that irritating little module messes up more sound configurations that you'd think possible
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14:08<red_eyes>pcspkr 2432 0
14:08<red_eyes>now modprobe -r 2432?
14:08<djc>so modprobe -r pcspkr
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14:08<djc>try sound now
14:08<djc>and if it works, you absolutely must grab that mp3 I just posted the url for
14:09<red_eyes>Thank you.
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14:10<red_eyes>I made master 100 and seems to be ok now
14:10<red_eyes>Volume is high enough
14:10<djc>of course, it was apparently created on a wincrap system where they like to put spaces in filenames
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14:10<djc>spaces *seperate* filenames!
14:11<red_eyes>Thanks a lot guys.
14:11<red_eyes>Have a nice day/night
14:11<red_eyes>and sorry for disturbing.
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14:11<djc>cp This is a music file.mp3 means to copy the files "This", "is" "a" "music" and "file.mp3"
14:11<ml|>red_eyes: so what fixed for you?
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14:11<djc>apparently psspkr was his problem
14:11<aguitel>what is the diference between adobe-flashplugin and flashplugin-nonfree ?
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14:13<aa_>Hello Guys I am a newbie with debian and i have a question regarding Debian servers and winXP clients i hope someone can help, thanks
14:13<djc>silly RIAA.. no data ever uploaded to the Intarwebs can ever be removed
14:13<djc>aa_, I think someone asked you a followup question earlier, and you never answered
14:14<aa_>sorry djc, i didnt catch it
14:14<aa_>i see
14:14<djc>I dont recall who, but I beleive they asked "what type of server"
14:16<aa_>sorry i just had to double check it s a samba server
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14:17<djc>What was your actual question, again?
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14:17<aa_>how to configure the user name of the clients in a debian server with XP clients
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14:18<EmleyMoor>I can't use BBC iPlayer downloads because, if Adobe AIR (which it requires) is installed, the iPlayer's picture and Download button are whited out. I am on lenny, amd64, with non-free and dmm... any advice?
14:18<djc>doesnt XP prompt for tyhe username?
14:18<EmleyMoor>(no AIR I can stream)
14:19<aa_>my xp can see my debian server and my debian can see my xp clint
14:19<pasoev>How can I stop x Server? please, help..........
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14:19<djc>pasoev, you mean you want to stop the gui login, and go to a text login?
14:19<djc>EmleyMoor, whats the url for that?
14:19<djc>bbc thing
14:20<djc>"see" ?
14:20<pasoev>No, I want to install nvidia driver, it requires, that x server must be stopped
14:20<djc>pasoev, are you using instructions of nvidia's site, or are you using debians module-assistant?
14:20<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
14:20<pasoev>djc: instructions of nvidia's site
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14:21<djc>see message from dpkg regarding nvidia
14:21<ml|>pasoev: no the one above
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14:21<djc>dont use nvidia-installer - use the debian docs above
14:21<aa_>but when i try to access the server from xp and when i enter the Username and password it does not give me access
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14:22<djc>what username are you using?
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14:23<aa_>the one i set up for the samba server
14:23<djc>odd.. when I try to access them it tells me to install RealPlayer
14:23<timo>djc can you give me some hints to fix a problem with flash videos?
14:23<pasoev>djc: Thanks..... I`ll try
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14:23<djc>timo, my advice regarding flash videos would be 'dont use them'
14:24<timo>i tried the open source version too..
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14:24<djc>oh you just want to consume them
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14:25<djc>I have 'flash-player' installed from and it works fine
14:26<timo>so what should i do? i cant hear sound but the video plays fine..
14:26<djc>aa_, and how did you set it up?
14:26<djc>timo, does your sound work with other programs?
14:26<timo>yes it works but i cant play two sounds at once
14:27<aa_>when i set up lenny, and the samba installer came up
14:27<chealer>aguitel: what is adobe-flashplugin?
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14:27<djc>aa_, to be honest, i havent had much experience with samba, and the very little I have involved non-passworded sharing
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14:28<djc>the windows paradigm of 'file sharing' just doesnt make sense to me anyway
14:28<djc>if I want to move file from one place to another I use scp or maybe wget
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14:29<ml|>why don't setup an ftp server or use ssh like djc suggested
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14:30<aa_>i can do that for files, which will be my next step, but what about printers?
14:30<enouf>timo: the way i can play two sounds at once is through starting separate instances of mplayer, each in/from their own shell
14:30<djc>trying to mix microsoft and *nix 'network authentication' can be quite tricky, and while it can be done, isnt something easy to setup by someone not very experienced with both
14:30<djc>I beleive windows supports "LPD" printing
14:30<timo>ok tell me how to get that work
14:30<djc>to be honest, I stick with network printers anyway
14:31<ml|>right a network printer ftw
14:31<enouf>timo: is alsa-oss installed? i think flashcrap uses oss .. also, and don't install it yet, but i think pulseaudio is supposed to allow you to adjust volumes per instance and such (runs on top of alsa, basically)
14:31<djc>eg, either with an HP jetdirect or with ethernet-connected printers
14:31<aa_>i see
14:31<timo>i have had problems with mint before always the sound xD
14:31<djc>the best solution of course is to throw out windows entirely and use all *nix machines :P
14:32<enouf>timo: as root; lsof | egrep 'flash|arts|esd|pulse' and maybe throw |firefox|iceweasel in there
14:32<ml|>haha :)
14:32<timo>it is installed
14:32<aa_>yep, thats where i will get at evantually
14:32<enouf>timo: i use "/msg dpkg youtube script" to watch youtubular
14:33<EmleyMoor>Peculiar that installing what iPlayer needs to download programmes breaks the whole thing including streaming
14:33<djc>aa_, but, if you need to have a printer connected to a *nix box and print to it from windows, cups supports that.. it even supports "IPP" which is supposed to be the new universal printer networking protocol
14:33<djc>I beleive even wincrap supports IPP
14:33<dpkg>rumour has it, ipp is Internet Printing Protocol, a HTTP-based protocol for sharing printers on a network. Ask me about <cups> for a Linux implementation.
14:33<EmleyMoor>Some Wincrap does
14:34<djc>I suspect its likely XP would
14:34<EmleyMoor>XP definitely - 2k too I think
14:35<djc>note that using IPP it wont show up as 'shared printers', but it will work anyway..
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14:35<djc>well, on any windows machine you set it up on
14:36<timo>enouf: what should i do with firefox| iceweasl?
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14:36<enouf>timo: just try to see what's hogging your sound - perhaps your /dev/dsp - have you installed alsa-oss?
14:37<aa_>thanks a lot guys
14:37<timo>i have
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14:38<ml|>all I have installed is alsa and I get sound simultaneously
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14:38<timo>at the moment im using "HDA Intel ALC883 Analog (OSS)
14:38<timo>for everything
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14:41<dpkg>i guess oss is an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very <non-free> and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. ( for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the <Halloween> document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels (see <ALSA> for 2.6 info). OldSchoolSound
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14:42<timo>iant it possible to reconfig the complete audio config to default?
14:42<SteveHH72>hi @ all
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14:42<SteveHH72>can anybody help me installing tools like this at gnome ?
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14:43<enouf>timo: Lenny? run alsaconf ; /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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14:44<timo>alsaconf: command not found
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14:45<locklace>alsaconf is obsolete iirc
14:45<enouf>not in Lenny
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14:49<timo>im confused xD
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14:49<bja>A matter of nostalgia what happened to xmms?
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14:50<locklace>it's still there, basking in its archaism
14:50<locklace>plenty of newer forks and rewrites
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14:53<timo>"Add yourself to an audio group" - how
14:53<enouf>xmms is dead .. i think it's in oldstable/etch still
14:53<enouf>timo: gpasswd -a username audio ; then logout/login
14:54<enouf>timo: check 'groups' or use 'id -a' to see
14:55<bja>enouf: I screwed the other day all the groups by using -G instead of -a How do i recover them if it can be done?
14:55<xemacs4321>does lenny fully support ext4 ?
14:55<enouf>bja: use -a and -G now?
14:56<enouf>bja: cat /etc/passwd and /etc/group will show you available groups; i'm in these adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev saned powerdev
14:56<timo>ok now im in audio gruop
14:57<enouf>xemacs4321: i'm not sure about "fully" but you'd want -t ext4dev
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14:59<xemacs4321>ext4 is not option for install but i do see it ins fsck thought i would ask , thankyou
14:59<enouf>xemacs4321: sure, grep EXT4 /boot/config-`uname -r` to see CONFIG_ options for ext4 for your running kernel
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15:02<enouf>xemacs4321: be careful when mixing/matching, read the changelogs for e2fsprogs, etc - i've seen some get bitten by the change in the default inode size from 128 -> 256 bytes
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15:02<enouf>xemacs4321: that applies to even only ext3 FSs - it's the versions of e2fsprogs you want to be careful of/with
15:03<xemacs4321>enouf, i will run ext3 for safty then
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15:03<xemacs4321>maybe make play partition
15:03<enouf>sticking with Lenny is fine in that matter .. sure ..
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15:04<xemacs4321>I dont like to set myself for falling into traps
15:06<locklace>xemacs4321: good idea. ext4 isn't exactly stable yet, even if you have the right tools
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15:06<xemacs4321>that is exactly why i asked ty locklace enouf , should have known ubuntu has it already
15:07<xemacs4321>and yes i am sticking with debian
15:07<xemacs4321>parts of ubuntu i like BUT
15:07<locklace>hehe, yeah, they were so excited about it that they "backported" it
15:08<xemacs4321>NOT GOOD IDEA
15:08<shamanix>ubuntu is bloated
15:08<locklace>also keep in mind that there have been several recent kernel changes that significantly improve ext3
15:08<xemacs4321>my problem is their stable isn't
15:08<locklace>so as a compromise, consider just running debian with a newer kernel
15:08<christoph>anyone an idea whether fetchmail is configured with proxy support on debian? If so is there any doxumentation how that confifile is meant to look like?
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15:09*lupine_85 is running ext4 + jaunty on his laptop and it "just works"
15:09<xemacs4321>I don't have time to monitor new versions right now, so let others do the work and dont get all latest bells and whistles
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15:12<locklace>why does mplayer depend on smbclient.
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15:15<Nemoder>locklace: because it supports mplayer smb://host/movie.file
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15:26<simonrvn>judd: versions apt
15:26<judd>simonrvn: apt -- etch: etch-security: lenny: squeeze: lenny-security: sid: 0.7.21
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15:26<simonrvn>judd: versions gs
15:26<judd>simonrvn: gs -- etch: 8.54.dfsg.1-5etch2 etch-security: 8.54.dfsg.1-5etch2 etch-backports: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.1~bpo40+1 sid: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.1 lenny: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1 lenny-security: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1 sid: 8.63.dfsg.1-2 squeeze: 8.64~dfsg-1 squeeze-security: 8.64~dfsg-1+squeeze1 sid: 8.64~dfsg-1.1 experimental: 8.64~dfsg-2
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15:29<ml|>timo: fixed your issue?
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15:30<Aleric>My nfs mount that has always worked before stopped working :/
15:31<Aleric>Waiting for /var/www/html/www...failed.
15:31<Aleric>grr... and then?
15:31<dpkg>badde: VATTENE VIA
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15:37<locklace>good point
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15:45<kristianpaul>squeeze looks nice
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15:46<ml|>locklace: hmm here mplayer does not depend on smbclient but does on libsmbclient
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15:47<ml|>but maybe because i'm using mplayer-nogui?
15:48<kristianpaul>lest upgrade to sid and see what happens
15:50<locklace>ml|: no, you're right; i'm flipping back and forth between a debian and an arch system and on arch libsmbclient is part of the smbclient package
15:51<locklace>here on debian it's just a libsmbclient depend (which makes sense)
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15:51<ml|>ok cool :)
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15:51<locklace>not that i want libsmbclient either...but at least it's a fraction of the size of the whole thing ;)
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15:52<Inv_>hello, just upgraded from lenny to squeeze and i have a strange bug. whenever i try to logout, reboot, suspend, shutdown the screen turns black and sometimes i get weird lines. I must reset the computer from the button. So far i only saw warning messages in the logs at the time of the reset; the culprit seems to be console-kit-daemon with the following message : "WARNING: Unable to activate console: No such device or address". I couldnt find anything useful on
15:53<locklace>Inv_: is x involved here
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15:53<Inv_>oh yes. forgot. this is happening on gnome
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15:53<joak_c>Hi everybody
15:53<napoly>hello.. everyone.. I need some help.. been searching but still nothing.. i have intel corporation mobile 4 series chipset integrated graphic card.. have downloaded xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.4.0~melchiorre-5_amd64.deb and installed it.. I think the only problem I have is with xorg.conf file.. donno what to write there exactly.. thanx
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15:54<locklace>what is console-kit daemon
15:54<locklace>Inv_: if you just stop X completely and do your suspend/reboot/etc. from a console vt, do you have the same problem?
15:54<napoly>?.. sorry locklace i'm new.. :/
15:55<Inv_>it seems not
15:55<locklace>napoly: does X -configure produce anything
15:55<joak_c>I need some help: Today I suddenly received a segfault error while trying to receive email via my cyrus server. The message is always: segfault at 2c ip b79afff3 sp bfc3632c error 4 in Does anyone know how to handle this?
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15:55<Jeffro>Does anybody know of a quick way to mix alot of lines in a text file?
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15:56<napoly>fatal error: Server is already active for display 0
15:56<napoly> If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
15:56<napoly> and start again.
15:56<locklace>"mix alot of lines"?
15:56<Jeffro>Well I want to mix my questions for trivia.
15:56<locklace>napoly: stop your X first or add :1 to the end
15:56<Jeffro>But eggdrop can't handle it.
15:56<Jeffro>So I want to manually mix all questions
15:57<locklace>Jeffro: you can write a little one-liner to do it
15:57<Inv_>also i get "WARNING: Couldn't read /proc/3259/environ: Failed to open file '/proc/3259/environ': No such file or directory". but the other message is the last one in the logs before reset
15:57<locklace>joak_c: that's bad news
15:57<napoly>by X you mean Xorg?.. donno how to stop it..
15:57<locklace>joak_c: what version of debian and libc packages are you running
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15:58<joak_c>debian: lenny - libc: 2.9.9
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15:58<Jeffro>locklace: Could you explain how to make the one-liner or make it for me please?
15:59<locklace>Inv_: can you try with running something besides gnome
15:59<napoly>ok.. i see.. X is a server
15:59<themill>joak_c: that's not lenny....
15:59<themill>judd versions libc6
15:59<judd>themill: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-9
15:59<themill>joak_c: welcome to sid.
16:00<Inv_>locklace: i'll install fluxbox, i may disconnect (= reset) thou
16:00<joak_c>ok. hi sid :-) please fix my mail-system :-(
16:00<locklace>Jeffro: as just one random example for tons of bad code to solve precisely this problem
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16:00<Jeffro>Ah thank you.
16:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 425] by debhelper
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16:01<locklace>joak_c: and since you're running sid, can you please report that as an rc bug if it hasn't been already? :)
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16:01<joak_c>how can I do that
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16:02<joak_c>is it possible to switch back to lenny?
16:02<locklace>not easily
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16:04<joak_c>any ideas for a workaround? normally my linux-box is just running and delivering emails. It's really important that it's going to work again.
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16:04<chealer>joak_c: there is no such libc version as 2.9.9
16:04<andrea>ciao a tutti
16:04<chealer>!tell joak_c about downgrade
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16:04<chealer>joak_c: reinstall lenny
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16:05<joak_c>it's version 2.9-9
16:05<joak_c>debian unstable
16:05<Guest831>mi potete dar una mano con ubuntu
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16:06<themill>joak_c: chances are, you need to reinstall lenny (/msg dpkg reinstall) but you can try following "/msg dpkg partial downgrade"
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16:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:07<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:07<bja>Need a bugger to spot an other :)
16:07<themill>ml|:, #ubuntu-it
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16:08<ml|>themill: ?
16:08<themill>bah... already gone
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16:08<themill>ml|: don't mind me.... just send coffee
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16:09<ml|>!beer themill
16:09*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for themill
16:09<Jeffro>I think my shell is freezing o.O
16:09<Jeffro>iets shuffling around 32000 questions
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16:10<themill>well, beer is even better than coffee :) thanks
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16:10<ml|>hehe :)
16:10<ml|>and some afterwards to keep ya up
16:11<ml|>!coffee themill
16:11*dpkg decants a fine brew of Tanzanian for themill, courtesy of ml|
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16:14<Inv_>locklace: 3 resets later. it seems the crash is there in fluxbox also. Also when i press ctrl+alt+F{1,2,3...} it crashes. It seems it crashes when i change "focus"
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16:16<locklace>Inv_: ok, it's probably an x driver problem
16:17<franklin>Using git.. how can I "cancel" (undo) the last commit (not just edit/amend the last commit) ?
16:17<locklace>Inv_: what kind of card do you have and what driver are you using?
16:18<Inv_>Ati radeon 9550 with proprietary drivers. It worked with lenny;
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16:18<Inv_>also i didn't upgrade the kernel. so it's the same module i used in lenny
16:19<sney>did r300 ever become stable I wonder
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16:20<Inv_>locklace: trying to downgrade consolekit to 0.2.10-5 (lenny repo) and see if it goes away
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16:21<locklace>franklin: something like git reset --hard ORIG_HEAD iirc
16:21<locklace>Inv_: what kernel version? have you tried the open radeon driver
16:21<locklace>franklin: or maybe it's ... HEAD^
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16:23<chealer>franklin: did you try #git ?
16:23<locklace>pretty sure it's one of those, or they're the same
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16:25<mintx>who can help me please
16:25<ml|>!tell mintx -about ask
16:25<mintx>i've probelm with voice in pidgen_
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16:26<mintx>and skype too
16:26<joak_c>i'm trying to use the debian bug page but I#M not sure which package libc belongs to
16:26<locklace>joak_c: the package is called "libc6"
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16:27<franklin>locklace: thanks, that's correct ( git-reset --hard HEAD^ )
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16:28<locklace>franklin: yep. you can also use --soft if you don't want to throw the changes out of the working tree
16:28<chealer>joak_c: avoid reporting against sid if you don't know Debian well. just reinstall lenny
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16:29<locklace>a bug report against a segfault in libc seems wise to me
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16:29<franklin>locklace: --soft didn't seem to cancel the commit
16:30<franklin>chealer: that was probably a good hint too. Thx
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16:31<Inv_>locklace: you were right, the fglrx module caused the problems. switched to vesa and it works great (not good for the eyes, but no crash)
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16:32<locklace>Inv_: good, suggest trying the free radeon driver then (xserver-xorg-video-radeon)
16:32<Inv_>didn't work for me in the past. really bad refresh
16:32<joak_c>•chealer• sorry but I don't have the time for reinstalling a server system which is very important for my daily work. There must be a differnt solution. I realize that I installed the wrong system but I hope there is a solution. The system works great until todays evening
16:32<locklace>Inv_: you can get a much newer version with accel support etc. than the one that's in the official repositories if you want
16:33<joak_c>is there a chance to get a apt-get upgrade history log out of the system
16:33<Inv_>locklace: i'll try it and see how it goes. fglrx caused problems in the past
16:33<locklace>Inv_: maybe that would also fix your refresh problem, and if not you should ask in #radeon on freenode
16:34<shamanix>locklace: do you have a link for that driver?
16:34<locklace>Inv_: (you'll probably have to ask there anyway to get the current driver .deb)
16:34<locklace>shamanix: nope, sorry
16:34<Inv_>also as a non-bug, but very annoying problem. whenever i login i get the "login keyring" not unlocked dialog, any way to disable that?
16:34<Inv_>locklace: i'll do that, thanks
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16:35<chealer>joak_c: well, feel free to run what you want. I was advising not to report bugs against unstable if you're new. for the rest, do make sure about what suite you're running. if you're running unstable as your default suite and don't have time to reinstall, you probably won't have the time to deal with the problems.
16:35<locklace>joak_c: /var/log/apt?
16:36<chealer>joak_c: not directly, but you can check the dpkg log.
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16:36<joak_c>•chealer• that's why I'm here :-). I thought there might be an easy solution. The system works great for month
16:37<locklace>oh, there's also /var/log/dpkg.log*
16:39<jb_>need a linux driver for microft notebook 3000 magnifying mouse
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16:39<sney>microsoft mice usually work with the intellimouse driver unless it's totally weird and crazy
16:40<jb_>but not with linux mint
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16:42<jb_>to sney need 3000 intellimouse driver for linux mint 6
16:42<sney>yeah I don't know mucha bout mint
16:42<sney>and I lost dns reachability so I can't look it up
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16:44<jb_>to sney please try again
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16:44<sney>no. why am I suddenly your nanny? ask someone else
16:45<jb_>bless u
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16:46<locklace>sney: tried opendns?
16:46<jb_>to sney now retiring no hard feelings hope cuagn
16:47<sney>don't remember the IP
16:47<locklace>dr|z3d: ...
16:47<locklace>sney: and
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16:48<sney>ok jb
16:48<sney>wow that is useful what with my dns reachability not being there
16:48<sney>thanks locklace
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16:49<locklace>opendns is fast too
16:50<locklace>at the very least, good to have around as a backup against crappy isp dns
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16:50<sney>I have it set at home but I'm on someone else's connection right now
16:51<locklace>wallet card ;)
16:51<sney>oh hell now it's not working again
16:51<sney>ah whatever it's not like I really need web browsing
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16:51<locklace>yep. the web is overrated
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16:52<sney>and now it magically fixed itself? wtf?
16:52<locklace>i still remember the first time i looked at it in 93. it was like...ok, nice client, but the only pages on this thing are pages about...the www project
16:53<locklace>so i put it away and didn't look at it again for two years
16:54<sney>hey, you're pretty old sounds like
16:54<sney>do you have a unix beard?
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16:54<locklace>only in spirit
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16:56<bja>There are people in here that are around unix before X and that is sometime before 93
16:56<locklace>yeah i don't predate x
16:57<bja>So you say
16:57<locklace>although i do go back to X11R5 iirc
16:58<sney>I only go back to 2.2 kernels
16:58<sney>but I never really knew what I was doing until 2.4
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16:58<locklace>sney: for linux, 0.11
16:58<sney>I'm a youngun
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17:00<Octave_Octet>Hi. I have a new cellphone (LG KS 500) which promises USB Mass Storage. However, when I connect to USB, while it is detected in syslog, I can only mount a usbfs volume with useless folders such as 001, 002 and so on. Do you think I might get something more useful ?
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17:01<bja>Octave_Octet: yes
17:01<Octave_Octet>bja: Ok. Such as ;) ?
17:03<bja>Octave_Octet: one of those nokia thingi dingy that you just plug and wham a full microsd at your dispossaal
17:03<bja>Octave_Octet: And I believe up to 8Gb
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17:04<Octave_Octet>Octave_Octet: Which implies getting a new cellphone ?
17:04<Octave_Octet>bja: Which implies getting a new cellphone ?
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17:05<bja>Octave_Octet: Its up to you, My cell phone is ... well it has some time on its back
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17:05<Octave_Octet>Ok. And aside from getting a new cellphone;)
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17:07<bja>Octave_Octet: I answeared your question If that is now what you where looking for, then rephrase your question. =)
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17:09<Octave_Octet>Ok ok. I'll try to rephrase, maybe you will have another magic answer :)
17:10<Octave_Octet>Hi. I have a new cellphone (LG KS 500) which promises USB Mass Storage. However, when I connect to USB, while it is detected in syslog, I can only mount a usbfs volume with useless folders such as 001, 002 and so on. Do you think I can access to the contents of the cellphone in a more useful manner (exchanging files in an easy manner between the phone and my computer for example)
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17:11<bja>Octave_Octet: I have no idea, guess someone will spot you and begin asking you questions to split if it is the linux part or the phone part =)
17:12<locklace>Octave_Octet: well if that's what you see when you mount the filesystem, that's the format your phone is using to store things, it seems. what is in these 001, 002, ... directories? anything recognisable/useful? if not all i can suggest is to search around for tools people may have written to "decrypt" your phone's storage scheme
17:12<S4t>hi everybody, i'm new here can someone help
17:12<shamanix>Octave_Octet does the phone come with drivers you need to install (110% that its windows only), also is the usb cable a standard usb-mini usb or something else?
17:12<locklace>!tell S4t about ask
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17:13<S4t>I just successfully remaster new knoppix into my usb, but i need it to boot to login screen any help
17:14<locklace>!tell S4t about knoppix
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17:14<Guest838>o picciuottii
17:14<S4t>what are you talking about locklace?
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17:15<locklace>S4t, check your private messages
17:15<S4t>ok sir
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17:16<S4t>i dont hv any private msg, or where do i check it from?
17:16<locklace>ok forget it
17:16<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
17:16<stuckey>I'm trying to access a computer that has openssh-server installed but pinging the machine as well as giving "ssh ipaddress" just times out.
17:16<stuckey>Is this because the computer is behind a firewall or?
17:16<locklace>stuckey: lots of possibilities
17:17<S4t>how do i connect to freenode's #knoppix
17:17<stuckey>locklace: what would you try first?
17:17<bja>stuckey: The computer is off , someone ripped the network cable Do i have to go on
17:17<stuckey>bja: the user is at the system right now sending me e-mails.
17:17<Octave_Octet>shamanix: The phone come with drivers that you need to use if you want to use the proprietary protocol, but there is a menu that you need to switch which supposedly allows USB Mass Storage. When I switch it, it is detected accordingly in syslog, but that's all. There are additional data in the devices file I access
17:17<bja>stuckey: can he ping you
17:18<stuckey>bja: i'll test that
17:18<Octave_Octet>I'll copy the devices file content somewhere
17:18<ml|>stuckey: is sshd_config configured correctly
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17:18<stuckey>ml|: what's that?
17:18<bja>stuckey: tell him to check his network cable, believe me they tend to get loose
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17:18<stuckey>ml|: does this have to be done before I can ssh into the system?
17:18<locklace>S4t: type "/server" and then "/join #knoppix"
17:18<locklace>stuckey: can you traceroute through to the system
17:18<ml|>stuckey: depends
17:19<ml|>that is the openssh-server config file
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17:19<stuckey>ml|: yeah but I can't even ping the system
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17:20<ml|>is he behind a firewall?
17:20<stuckey>ml|: i'm not sure... how do we tell?
17:20<ml|>ok is he using a router?
17:20<stuckey>ml|: I'm not sure
17:20<sney>are you on separate networks?
17:21<stuckey>Yes, they're on the other side of the planet.
17:21<ml|>stuckey: ask the person
17:21<stuckey>ml|: they don't know anything about computers.
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17:21<sney>you can just see routers
17:21<stuckey>ml|: but they sucessfully installed "openssh-server"... they gave me the output from the terminal.
17:21<sney>they are boxes with wires coming out
17:21<stuckey>They wouldn't know how it looks... i'll ask though
17:22<sney>usually say "router" on it somewhere
17:22<ml|>yes look for a box with network wires coming out
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17:22<locklace>hehe, this is going to get low-level
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17:22<sney>more like layer 8
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17:23<bja>I'm betting on 1
17:23<shadouts>so I just bought a working battery for my thinkpad T20 and I've been having a problem of the video not initializing when X starts up on battery power. If I hard reset 2 or 3 times it eventually works. Anybody heard of this?
17:23*bja takes his bet book out and begins to take notice
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17:24<stuckey>bja: yeah they say they have wireless
17:24<stuckey>bja: so i assume they've a router
17:25<shamanix>Octave Octet: hmm my best best guess is you'll either need some sort of drivers for the cable or phone, or you could just get a universal flash card reader, have you tried the phone under Windoze by any chance, if yes how does it work there?
17:25<sney>shadouts: sometimes a capacitor flush helps on those old thinkpads when you're having weird power issues
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17:25<sney>unplug it, take the battery out, and press the power button a gazillion times
17:25<locklace>btw, trivia question: most routers these days reserve precedence 6 to guarantee priority queuing of control packets like routing updates. but is-is uses clns as its transport, not ip, so how is is-is packet priortisation done?
17:25<sney>wait 10 minutes or so and put it all back together
17:25<bja>stuckey: tracert their ip see whats the output
17:25<Octave_Octet>shamanix: I don't however, it does sort of work in mtp:/ (a 3rd choice of protocol) with digikam
17:25<stuckey>bja: how do I do this?
17:25<shadouts>sney: I'll try that. But how long should I be good for if that works?
17:25<locklace>shadouts: not really, i'd suggest searching and then asking on the acpi kernel list
17:26<locklace>shadouts: the trick sney gave you is also a remarkably effective cure-all for certain kinds of power problems
17:26<bja>you take your keyboard and type "tracert " then the ip you are tracing
17:26<sney>depends on the alignment of the stars, you know? it could be a one time thing or you could have to do it again in a week, or anything in between
17:26<stuckey>bja: not traceroute, just tracert?
17:26<sney>too many variables to say for sure
17:26<bja>that'll do
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17:27<shadouts>locklace: I don't know if it's an acpi problem because it says it knows it's on battery power
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17:27<locklace>shadouts: the acpi list is still the place to ask if the trick doesn't work
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17:28<shadouts>gotcha thaxn.
17:28<sney>old laptop like that might benefit from using apm instead of acpi, also
17:28<stuckey>djc: what's this all mean?
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17:28<sney>(does the kernel still have apm support?)
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17:28<simonrvn>tracert is a wincrap thing...
17:29<shadouts>sney: from what I gather debian does support apm but it's default off
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17:29<stuckey>simonrvn: i'm trying to ssh into a system but it doesn't respond... just times out.
17:29<sney>I wasn't sure if it got taken out in 2.6 is all, I guess not
17:29<ml|>stuckey: does the person have a router
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17:29<stuckey>ml|: I think so, but I'm not certain.
17:29<ml|>or behind a firewall
17:30<stuckey>again, not certain.
17:30<stuckey>All they know is that they've "wireless".
17:30<sney>wireless generally means router
17:30<ml|>you need to know so you can connect to them
17:30<sney>they'll need to forward port 22 (or whichever one you wanted to use, 22 is the default)
17:30<corge>so yeah, port is most likely being filtered or not forwarded
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17:30<stuckey>damn routers
17:30<ml|>sounds like a router yes what sney said
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17:31<bja>stuckey: They are behind a firewall
17:31<corge>no, the routers
17:31<locklace>sney: yes it's still in the kernel
17:31<joak_c>•chealer• I found the bug!!!! saslauthd has been updated and did not start because of an error in /etc/default/saslauthd
17:32<bja>stuckey: I'm guessing a linux machine you want to connect right?
17:32<stuckey>bja: yes it's ubuntu 8.10
17:33<simonrvn>joak_c: the changelog and NEWS.Debian say as much
17:33<dpkg>methinks apt-listchanges is a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It's well worth it for stable users to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes and it should be made mandatory for users of testing/sid. Also ask me about <d-d-a>.
17:33<simonrvn>joak_c: ^^^
17:33<simonrvn>joak_c: the listchanges thing
17:33<bja>stuckey: They have to make sure their ssh is accesible from the internet and that you can acces that.
17:33<bja>stuckey: meanning you need a user and a passwd on that system
17:35<ml|>stuckey: you can also ask them to connect directly to modem and bypass router, but only for a short time because that system will be exposed to the net
17:35<locklace>simonrvn: thanks, that's brilliant
17:35<themill>joak_c: in the time you've spent working on that, you could have reinstalled lenny and you'd then have a low-maintenance, stable system (as opposed to a high-maintenance, unstable system).
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17:36<simonrvn>themill: i've probably told you i used to run sid on my poor excuse of a server, eh? ;)
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17:38<bja>xxxxxxxx: !ask
17:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
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17:38<locklace>hm. except "apt-listchanges --apt" is just hanging for me
17:39<sney>oh, there's nothing wrong with "hi"
17:39<sney>you curmudgeon
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17:39<bja>Yes I know but I think xxxxxxx talks in Spanish and the guy is just overburned 2 days no sleep, you know the usual stuff
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17:40<xxxxxxxx>what is the best soundcard for gnu ?
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17:40<sney>sound blaster live works well with alsa
17:40<sney>and the older ones are el cheap
17:40<sney>I don't know which is "best" if there is such a thing
17:40<ml|>cheapo ;)
17:40<locklace>i think they actually pay you to take sb16s these days
17:41<sney>sb16 is a little crusty too
17:41<dondelelcaro>xxxxxxxx: depends on what you're doing with the card
17:41<sney>did those even exist in PCI or were they all ISA
17:41<shamanix>still have my crystal isa card somewhere it was sbpro compatible ;-)
17:41<locklace>sney: isa
17:41<dondelelcaro>xxxxxxxx: for just playing stuff, almost any pci card will work
17:42<xxxxxxxx>for music
17:42<bja>dondelelcaro: Home sound studio is what xxxxxxxx is doing
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17:42<dondelelcaro>xxxxxxxx: recording or just playing?
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17:42<bja>dondelelcaro: mostly he is recording
17:42<xxxxxxxx>in home studio
17:42<locklace>right: why would "apt-listchanges --apt" just hang forever, does it need root for some reason
17:42<dondelelcaro>xxxxxxxx: so presumably you need a multi-track recorder?
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17:43<sney>I would say to scare up a SBLive 5.1, they have a bunch of inputs and there are some that have the 5" drive bay box thing with level controls
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17:43<sney>there are probably better options, but they probably also cost more money
17:43<dondelelcaro>xxxxxxxx: if so, I'm a fan of the RME cards
17:44<themill>locklace: --apt tells it to read the package details from stdin. See man apt-listchanges.
17:44<shamanix>if your really serious get at least some M-Audio card, although I have absolutly no clue how they work on linux
17:44<sney> used to have good compatibility listings
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17:45<locklace>themill: oh haha, i didn't properly appreciate the significance of "pipeline" in the manpage
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17:46<xxxxxxxx>Seeking a quality price
17:46<xxxxxxxx>and compability
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17:47<bja>xxxxxxxx: Hope you had some rest
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17:47<shamanix>well the sb live! can be had for almost free nowadays
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17:54<locklace>erm, i must be confused about how apt-listchanges is supposed to work. what's the usual way it's used?
17:55<enouf>the hammerfalls are a step up from m-audio (which are a nice middle ground) .. but you should be considering external equipment, not stuff that get placed inside a PC tower
17:55<enouf>locklace: it runs auto here
17:55<enouf>locklace: dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges
17:55<themill>locklace: you just install it and apt{-get,itutde} shows you the changelog and NEWS snippets between downloading and installing. After you've read its messages, it asks whether you want to continue.
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17:55<enouf>locklace: it runs auto here - as i install pkgs
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17:56<locklace>hm, i just did an upgrade through aptitude and it didn't seem to run
17:56<dimedo>is there a release of debian installer which can be installed onto a harddisk and booted with grub? my server provider can't do pxe boots but offers a way to write a tar file on the servers disk, and install either grub or lilo
17:56<enouf>locklace: i have it use my default 'pager' which is less; i hit q when i'm done reading/viewing, installation starts
17:57<locklace>maybe i need to dpkg-reconfigure it
17:57<enouf>yes, i also have it mail myself
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17:59<locklace>well, it was already set up to use "pager", but it never got called from aptitude
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18:00<locklace>does it only work if you use apt-get or something?
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18:02<Zviper>when i try to do apt-get remove --purge apache2 i get this: Package apache2 is not installed, so not removed
18:02<themill>locklace: works with aptitude too
18:02<Zviper>i know for a fact it's installed
18:03<Zviper>how can i remove it?
18:03<nosklo>Zviper: how did you install it?
18:03<Zviper>apt-get install apache2
18:03<nosklo>Zviper: run dpkg -l | grep apache and check if it is installed
18:04<nosklo>Zviper: dpkg -l | grep apache
18:04<locklace>themill: guess it just hates me then :)
18:04<Zviper>ah it installed apache2-mpm-worker
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18:06<locklace>dimedo: not sure what that means exactly but there is a debian live, perhaps that would work
18:06<themill>locklace: make sure you've got /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges
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18:07<locklace>yep, it's there
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18:08<dimedo>locklace, i need a debian install which can start from harddisk and overwrite itself
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18:08<chealer>locklace: debian live isn't debian installer
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18:08<locklace>dimedo: actually i thought all the installers run from ram these days
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18:09<locklace>chealer: right, but does it not have an install option? i couldn't remember
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18:09<dimedo>yes, but i need to boot it through grub, from a harddisk
18:09<chealer>locklace: not normally
18:09<locklace>dimedo: right, but if it runs from ram that should be fine
18:10<locklace>dimedo: for example i used a usb drive to boot the installer, then pulled out the drive right after it loaded
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18:11<chealer>locklace: the difference is that you have physical access to the target
18:11<locklace>the bit about pulling out the drive was just an illustration ;)
18:11<dimedo>locklace, sounds good, so i just need to get it going with grub instead of isolinux
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18:11<locklace>the question is if the installer runs from ram - does it?
18:11<locklace>dimedo: yep
18:12<xcorzbmw>x,xdm,fluxbox: build-in screensaver blank screen. where to config?
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18:12<locklace>xcorzbmw: xset works
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18:13<chealer>dimedo: yes, there is (see the installation guide)
18:14<xcorzbmw>locklace: thank you for fast answer. is there any config file?
18:14<locklace>xcorzbmw: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:14<locklace>xcorzbmw: or you can just stick the xset command in your ~/.xsession or .xinitrc or your favourite x startup file
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18:15<xcorzbmw>locklace: where else ... ty
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18:17<locklace>xcorzbmw: if you decide to go the xorg.conf route, "man xorg.cof RET /^SERVERFLAGS" for the gory details, there are about 9 different options that affect the built-in saver and power management
18:18<locklace>er, xorg.conf
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18:28<bja>If there is no native linux driver for a wireless card, are there any alternatives?
18:28<compgrokker>bja: ndiswrapper
18:28<abrotman>bja: which device?
18:29<bja>wireless network card " Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)"
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18:30<bja>Is ndiswrapper legal?
18:30<compgrokker>bja: b43-fwcutter doesn't work?
18:30<compgrokker>and yes, ndiswrapper is legal
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18:31<sney>it's legal but sometimes it doesn't work so well is all
18:31<sney>native drivers would be better
18:31<sney>but broadcom is an asshole
18:31<shadouts>ndiswrapper is legal but Linus denounced it as being GNU GPL since it uses a non GPL code to get its work done
18:32<bja>compgrokker: No it won't work
18:32<compgrokker>bja: ah ok
18:32<themill>It's as legal as the other non-GPL-compatible kernel modules out there...
18:32<bja>The pci bus is standard right?
18:32<sney>like madwifi
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18:33<chealer>bja: if you don't mind, are you sure that b43/bcm43xx don't support your card (at least partially)?
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18:34<dimedo>chealer, that is a 7000 lines document, maybe you can tell me where there is something written about my problem?
18:34<chealer>dimedo: did you consult the table of contents?
18:34<bja>I've tried to set it up but then no luck
18:35<locklace>chealer: doesn't the netinst image basically run as an initrd?
18:35<dimedo>chealer, so you don't want to tell me?
18:36<chealer>locklace: I don't understand your question
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18:36<locklace>chealer: does the netinst installer run from ram or from disk
18:36<chealer>dimedo: I don't want to do your job. if you failed to find the section after a decent look, I can tell you.
18:37<bja>Do the antenas on a laptop have the same impedance, meaning can I interchange a Broadcom network card with another one from a different manufacturer?
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18:37<chealer>locklace: I don't know
18:37<locklace>ok. i think it runs from ram
18:38<locklace>dimedo: so i would try to use the netinst image as your boot image
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18:38<dimedo>locklace, yes, i will try that
18:38<bja>I just recalled I have an intel wireless card.
18:38<chealer>bja: I don't want to imply that you did something wrong, but b43 and bcm43xx are supposed to support your card to some extent.
18:38<locklace>dimedo: ok, let us know how it goes
18:38<sney>antenna impedence should be standard, the question is whether the laptop's bios will let you use a different wifi card
18:38<sney>some of them really hate that
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18:39<bja>chealer: I'm not perfect and i know, if you are saying i screw up I think you are right, I'm starting all over again. =P
18:39<dimedo>locklace, if i can still enter this chanel after my next sentence, yes
18:40<dimedo>chealer, and you, fuck you, shitfaces like you should instantly explode
18:40<xxxxxxxx>goodbye thanks for all
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18:41<chealer>bja: that's not what I'm saying, I never used a Broadcom card on Debian, but maybe you should check you're not doing something wrong, yeah
18:41<chealer>dimedo: please watch your language
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18:41<themill>dimedo: ummm.... that's really unhelpful for everyone.
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18:42*chealer bbl
18:42<bja>chealer: Checking on that one
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18:45<locklace>hmm. i spent the entire day running my usual desktop from a kvm -m 512 running arch
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18:49<locklace>1/2 cpu, 1/8 the ram, 1/12 the disk and indirect graphics, but not much perceptible difference for most things
18:51<bja>locklace: AMD hardware?
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18:51<locklace>nope, intel
18:51<bja>locklace: cpu?
18:52<locklace>C2D P8400 2.26GHz
18:52<bja>locklace: version of kvm??
18:53<locklace>whatever's in debian, kvm-72 iirc
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18:53<bja>Same hardware and I just can't get past the freaking exception 13
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18:54<locklace>that's weird
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18:54<bja>locklace: Host 32 or 64 bits?
18:54<locklace>how does kvm -no-kvm run?
18:55<rastiazul>i added a user but it doesnt show up in kdm
18:55<bja>locklace: kvm -no-kvm means that you are running kvm without hardware acceleration
18:55<ml|>locklace: how does that compare to other vm's?
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18:56<locklace>bja: i know, but it can still be good
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18:56<locklace>ml|: well i haven't used any others besides vmware, and that was a long time ago on different hw, so not sure really
18:56<locklace>ml|: the biggest pain i think is the graphics
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18:57<ml|>was thinking of trying vbox, have used vmware in the past
18:57<locklace>and i doubt any vms solve that problem at the moment (or am i wrong?)
18:57<abrotman>rastiazul: show up?
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18:57<rastiazul>yea the icon
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18:58<ml|>locklace: yes no 3d graphics, that I know of, but for basic computing not much different has being my experience
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18:58<locklace>(and the graphics isn't really a pain unless you're doing something where accel matters - it does matter for things like mplayer)
18:59<locklace>or if you get heavy into compositing or something - i'm running xcompmgr just for the hell of it ;)
19:00<locklace>someone described it the other day as "just one huge bug" - hard to disagree
19:00<abrotman>rastiazul: can you type in their credentials?
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19:01<ml|>someday it be fixed ;)
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19:01<locklace>is it actually being actively developed? i thought it was just a proof-of-concept hack
19:01<bja>chealer: Same process as before, no life completely deado
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19:02<ml|>locklace: no clue just speculating
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19:03<rastiazul>abrotman: they dont work i think
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19:03<abrotman>so try them and find out
19:03<rastiazul>its just username , no pass
19:03<rastiazul>I did
19:03<rastiazul>i remember now
19:04<locklace>hmm, this is interesting: running qmmp here in the vm, playing an MP3 stream: it's using ~3% of guest cpu according to top. when i run it on the host, it uses ~18% host cpu.
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19:08<abrotman>rastiazul: and itdoesn't work at all ?
19:08<rastiazul>cant log in
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19:09<abrotman>did you check the error logs?
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19:20<hdon>$ LD_DEBUG=symbols:libs LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/gpsee/jsapi/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH gsr gpsee/src/sample_programs/jsie.js
19:20<hdon>11215: symbol=js_IntervalNow; lookup in file=/usr/local/gpsee/jsapi/lib/
19:20<hdon>$ nm /usr/local/gpsee/jsapi/lib/ | less
19:20<hdon>0002c260 t js_IntervalNow
19:20<hdon>how can this be?
19:20<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
19:20<rastiazul>maybe because it didnt have login shell in the settings
19:20<hdon>themill: i did paste them separately :P (sorry!)
19:21<themill>hdon: you were probably lucky not to get kicked by debhelper.
19:21<hdon>themill: probably :)
19:21<hdon>i rarely say this, but: i am at my wit's end!
19:21<hdon>it seems *undeniable* that it should be finding this symbol!
19:22<bja>locklace: Do you run kvm with the -no-kvm switch or do you use the full kvm hardware acceleration?
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19:25<GrayThunder>can anyone tell me where to start looking when my 3c59x won't work (times out) in X, but works just fine in console?
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19:26<GrayThunder>running lenny
19:26<azeem>GrayThunder: times out when doing what?
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19:27<GrayThunder>anything. looking for email, running iceweasle or epiphany, evolution.
19:27<themill>network manager?
19:29<GrayThunder>network manager gives the correct info, IP address, etc.
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19:30<azeem>GrayThunder: run gnome-network-preferences and see whether you have a proxy set, maybe
19:30<azeem>or vice-versa
19:30<GrayThunder>looking now
19:31<GrayThunder>no proxy set, says Direct Internet connection
19:33<GrayThunder>i have a DSL connection going to an HP switch, so that should be correct, no proxies here.
19:34<Eurysilas>So, it works fine without X running?
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19:35<azeem>GrayThunder: what exactly works fine without X running?
19:35<GrayThunder>i am on console for this conversation and X is running. I just cant connect anywhere using X (or the applications in X
19:35<abrotman>not even from xterm?
19:36<GrayThunder>OpenOffice runs just fine, as do all other X apps, just not when I try to use the network.
19:36<azeem>GrayThunder: we're asking about the console applications
19:36<azeem>do they work fine in X?
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19:36<valdyn>GrayThunder: run "ping"
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19:37<GrayThunder>I just tried ping from xterm and got returning pongs, so I guess it isn't X.
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19:38<valdyn>GrayThunder: so what isnt working?
19:38<azeem>01:26 < GrayThunder> anything. looking for email, running iceweasle or epiphany, evolution.
19:38<abrotman>just web browsers? which did you try?
19:38<valdyn>thats very unspecific
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19:39<valdyn>GrayThunder: look at the file that "wget" downloads -> is that an error or googles page or does wget throw an error
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19:40<GrayThunder>i tried iceweasle and epiphany both. both time out when I try any site.
19:41<Eurysilas>What is an "HP", BTW?
19:41<valdyn>Eurysilas: hewlett packard
19:41<adama>I have a web/mail server - if a hosted page uses PHP's mail() function to send to an address that is hosted on the server, will I see it in "tcpdump -ni eth0 port 25", or "tcpdump -ni lo port 25", or neither?
19:42*abrotman is pretty sure he just saw that question ...
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19:42<valdyn>adama: #php
19:42<adama>no way, it scrolled away
19:42<abrotman>adama: on the other network ?
19:43<themill>adama: php will use /usr/bin/sendmail so however it tries to get rid of the mail...
19:44<GrayThunder>wget > downloads from an Xterm doesn't seem to resolve a correct IP. it gives
19:44<GrayThunder>looking at resolv.conf now
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19:45<azeem>GrayThunder: is a "http_proxy" env variable set in the xterm?
19:45<themill>ahh... blame your router.
19:45<supaman>hey ... I am running sid and did a safe-upgrade yesterday and it pulled in a new version of my video driver (xserver-xorg-video-intel) and now my resolution is crap using 1024x768 instead of 1024x1024 which I am used to, and also if I boot with the 2.6.29 kernel I get an unusable screen so I have to use my old 2.6.26 kernel .. any idea what could have happened there during the upgrade?
19:45<azeem>well, that doesn't make sense
19:45<valdyn>GrayThunder: so ping resolves correctly but wget does not, is that right?
19:45<amphi>supaman: you have a square monitor?
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19:45<supaman>amphi: yup
19:45<supaman>old fashion CRT 17"
19:46<themill>valdyn: every second requeset comes back as on my mum's adsl modem/router. Yay for built-in crappy dns proxy.
19:46<valdyn>themill: nice one
19:46<valdyn>just like warcraft crashing neatgear
19:47<GrayThunder>valdyn: correct
19:48<GrayThunder>and that is true for both console and X
19:48<valdyn>id know whats wrong if it didnt resolve at all, but sounds like a non-debian problem
19:49<valdyn>GrayThunder: you can capture the dns lookups with tcpdump and go see if the requests are ok and if the replies are ok
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19:49<themill>GrayThunder: or try putting your ISPs nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf and see if that fixes it (temporarily). If it does, then we can make it more premanent.
19:49<GrayThunder>hmmmm, I haven't run tcpdump in so long, I'd have to lookup how to use it.
19:50<supaman>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xor gave me an almost empty xorg.conf file
19:50<GrayThunder>themill, that I can do
19:50<supaman>didn't even try to run X under that one
19:50<valdyn>GrayThunder: just "tcpdump -i eth0 port 53
19:50<valdyn>GrayThunder: just "tcpdump -i eth0 port 53"
19:51<valdyn>GrayThunder: at least for dns requests that should work
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19:52<GrayThunder>themill wget resolves just fine with ISP DNS in resolve.conf, so I think that I may be my dsl router.
19:52<themill>GrayThunder: you may want to try it a couple of times since it's randomish....
19:52<valdyn>GrayThunder: and a proper output for a request is like ....A?
19:52<GrayThunder>and iceweasle works just fine now.
19:53<supaman>"I may be my dsl router" ... hmm .. ;-)
19:53<themill>!override dns
19:53<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supercede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers.
19:53<valdyn>supaman: why didnt you try?
19:53<valdyn>supaman: empty xorg.conf is fine for most cases
19:53<themill>GrayThunder: ^^ use that to make sure that your dhcp settings pick up your ISPs nameservers
19:54<supaman>valdyn: well ... I am old school ... am used to big xorg files :-)
19:54<GrayThunder>supaman: :)
19:54*themill inserts some modelines into supaman
19:54<supaman>valdyn: so everything is autodetected these days?
19:55<valdyn>supaman: by default
19:55<supaman>ok ... will give it a try
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19:55<GrayThunder>themill: dhcp picks up both ISP DNS, but the resolv.conf has my router as primary DNS and ISP as second DNS
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19:56<GrayThunder>themill: by default, that is. I just commented out the router addy in resolv.conf and all is well now
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19:57<valdyn>GrayThunder: no, probably not
19:57<themill>GrayThunder: next time you get a dhcp lease, that change will be undone. You probably want "supersede" rather than "append".
19:57<valdyn>GrayThunder: your resolv.conf might be generated, read the comment in it
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19:58<GrayThunder>caldyn: yep. Modified_by: Network Manager.
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19:58<themill>interesting... not resolvconf
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20:00<herrkin>hello friends, I am using debian with lxde, I wonder how I can make an app starts when I start my session
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20:01<valdyn>!fgi herrkin lxde+session
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20:05<GrayThunder>hmmm. dpkg says to use "supercede" and man 5 dhclient.conf says to use "supersede". which is correct?
20:05<valdyn>GrayThunder: neither probably, as Network Manager does not use dhclient iirc
20:05<adama>judd: versions gnome-desktop-environment
20:05<judd>adama: gnome-desktop-environment -- etch: 1: lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 squeeze: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 sid: 1:2.24.3~2
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20:06<valdyn>GrayThunder: oh, nevermind, it actually does use dhclient
20:07<GrayThunder>OK. why do I need network manager, anyway? and is there any way to do without it?
20:07<valdyn>GrayThunder: supercede is wrong anyway
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20:08<valdyn>GrayThunder: its nice for portables, its also nice to use vpn on non-portables. No you dont need it
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20:41<creeed>any idea why my lenny boot-up hangs by starting MTA?!
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20:43<napoly>anyone experiencing slow eclipse ganymede 64 bit on lenny amd64?
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20:44<Nemoder>creeed: it happens to me when there is no internet connectivity, I think it's trying to resolv hostnames but I'm not entirely sure
20:45<Nemoder>eventually it times out and boots up anyway
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20:46<valdyn>Nemoder: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, dont change things except the name lookup setting
20:46<valdyn>creeed: ^^^^
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20:47<Nemoder>I have exim setup to use my isp's pop3 so I can use reportbug
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21:13<eldowan>is it possible to locate all files within a given path where the full path (including file name) exeed 260 characters?
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21:25<eldowan>dkr: great, would you have any suggestions?
21:25<tcsetattr>find /start/dir -print | egrep '.{261}'
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21:26<dkr>would be even quicker using locate
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21:30<eldowan>tcsetattr: that command doesn't return anything.
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21:34<eldowan>when using only the find statement above, it only prints the /start/dir. hrm.
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21:36<tcsetattr>I guess you don't have anything that long.
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21:37<eldowan>tcsetattr: that find statement doesn't seem to recurse directories. I know for a fact that I have a file that has 290 characters in its path
21:39<tcsetattr>heh. try a smaller number in the grep. Try using /etc as the start dir and about 30 for the length
21:39<tcsetattr>if you don't see some results from that, you just aren't doing it right.
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21:40<eldowan>tcsetattr: this command should transverse filesystems, correct? I don't know if this would effect it, but I'm looking over a NFS mapping
21:43<tcsetattr>find's default behavior is to recurse as much as it can.
21:43<tcsetattr>tell me how many results you get from this: find /etc -print | egrep '.{20}'
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21:44<eldowan>tcsetattr: I was able to get it to work by giving a relative path instead of an absolute path. instead of /home/user/mounted I used mounted
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21:45<eldowan>tcsetattr: now I feel even more dense. I tried again with the absolute, and I think I forgot the trailing slash on the end of the path.
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21:46<tcsetattr>trailing slash? that would only matter if it's a symlink to a directory instead of a real directory
21:47<eldowan>tcsetattr: it is. a symlink to the mount point that resides in the home directory.
21:49<tcsetattr>mystery solved... you can also see a difference in behavior of ls -l /somedir vs. ls -l /somedir/ if it's a symlink-to-dir
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21:51<eldowan>tcsetattr: huh. learn something new every day. Is there a recommended practice to access a mountpoint other than a symlink if /real/mount/point isn't desired?
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21:53<tcsetattr>symlinks are usually fine... mount --bind can be used if the symlink quirks are too bothersome
21:55<eldowan>tcsetattr: thanks again.
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22:37<justaguy>Hello, am using gsynaptics (GPointingDeviceSettings) for my ALPS mouse on laptop, all is fine outside the ability to allow tapping, requires setting in preferences each boot. Does anyone know how to get this enabled automatically?
22:38<justaguy>btw, using sid
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22:39<patrikf>justaguy: read the synaptics manpage ("man synaptics")
22:39<patrikf>justaguy: you can place the appropriate setting in the mouse section of your xorg.conf
22:40<herrkin>hello again
22:40<herrkin>something weird happened few moments ago
22:40<herrkin>I am using lxde and I was enabiling some apps to autostart when the session starts
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22:41<herrkin>when I did this I lost the ability to open noatun or exile
22:41<herrkin>I dont know what happens
22:42<herrkin>I put it same way sistem was before that and the problem stays
22:42<herrkin>but I can open vlc player or kafeine for example
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22:43<herrkin>the only thing is that kaffeine gives me an error "cannot talk to klauncher"
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22:44<justaguy> brb
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22:49<justaguy>patrikf: thanx guy, I had thought of that, but figured it config'd everything like a charm, thanks again
22:50<justaguy>guess I was just lazy..........cheers
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23:15<hingwah>I'm trying to configure an USB wifi dongle (NETGEAR WG111v2), after setting the stuff in network/interfaces and do ifup wlan1, it show "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan1 ; Invalid argument.", any clues how to solve the issue?
23:16<gsimmons>hingwah: Please pastebin your current /etc/network/interfaces file.
23:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
23:17<hingwah>gsimmons, just have two parameters related to wireless ," wireless-essid xxxxxxx and wireless-key s:xxxxxxxxx", the authenication scheme set by router is "WPA2-PSK"
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23:19<gsimmons>hingwah: You'll need to use different iface options for WPA-protected networks.
23:19<dpkg>well, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA.
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